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iSteve commenter anon writes:
If this training day is going to consist of speeches and hectoring from “civil rights leaders of color” then it’s going to be a complete waste of time.
What the employees need is a clear explanation of the rules that they are supposed to follow and some specific examples and role-playing related to those rules.
What the hell are the rules and policies? For example: Is the rule that someone who comes into a store and asks to use the toilet should be refused? Or is it that white people should be refused and not black people? Or is there a patter that should be used to discourage use of the toilet, but if someone insists you let them use it? Should the homeless be allowed to use the toilet? Does it depend on their smell or visible level of filth? If they are in the toilet for a long time, what is the procedure? When should the police be called? In short, how the hell can I do my job properly and not end up out of work all of a sudden because I was following what I thought were the rules and it went viral on Twitter.
Other topics: How to react when black people are obviously testing and probing and trying to provoke you? What do you do when smart phone video is being taken? To what extent do you have to stand in front of a video camera and be humiliated for posterity in order to keep your minimum wage job? Will specific rules and policies be worked out and will the rules be availble in printed and signage form for distribution to customers? To what extent is my job at risk if I honestly try to enforce the rules laid down by Starbucks, but it ends up creating a viral controversy? If someone comes in and takes a table and doesn’t order anything, what should be done? Does it depend on how crowded it is or what time it is? How, specifically? Does it depend on the perceived race of the customer? Is there an amount of time beyond which they should not be allowed to stay? To what extent are the minimum wage staff expected to personally deal with the situation, and at what point is it O.K. to call the police without risk of being fired?
My feeling is that despite a month of preparation, the training day will simply be virtue signaling, a lot of verbiage that Starbucks doesn’t mind leaking out, and no addressing of the hard questions of how to deal with on-the-ground scenarios.
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Meh! They could wrap it up in ten minutes by saying, “These are the rules, and treat everybody the same.”
Actually, it might be easier to simply install turnstile access to seating and facilities and give access tickets or tokens to each customer who buys something explicity to dine- or drink-in. In some locations there are sales tax or VAT issues related to dine- or drink-in vs. takeaway anyway, so maybe siccing local tax authorities on Starbucks might achieve social justice quicker than virtue-signalling training sessions.
Wheelchair guy is more entertaining.
The first rule should be CYA.
Remember the YouTube clip of a black guy who, to show how absurd things are getting, went to Starbucks and demanded free coffee for being black? And the nice white girl behind the counter gave it to him?
It isn’t her money at stake. She comes off looking like a sweet girl on YouTube, who at least wants to avoid conflict. The store may lose a tiny bit of money. Had she resisted, she could have her face all over the internet as a racist white girl. She could lose her job and have her life ruined. Starbucks could look bad.
She doesn’t need any training.
Peets sells better beans and who wants to contribute to an organization with an offensive and stupid political agenda.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
Anyone ever come down to Atlanta and visit a Waffle House down on the Southside?
There’s a list of 87,000 rules posted, as you typically see in any kind of government office or business in “areas” that feature only corner takeout joints and which are strangely devoid of full table service restaurants.
Maybe Starbucks just adopts the equivalent Amazon Prime model….say annual fee $50. That would preclude many problems.
Low trust society will demand that free access will be replaced with "members only clubs" like Costco or AmazonGO, where you have to check in with credentials or some electronic app. Virtual bouncers or turnstiles can keep out the riffraff, moochers and troublemakers.
http://www.foodservicedirector.com/sites/default/files/styles/enhanced_slideshow/public/amazon-go-turnstile.jpg?itok=ykyvDLAf
They won't want to make personnel have to enter direct confrontations with rule breakers.
It's a no win proposition.Replies: @JMcG
Heck, access card entry may even be good for the future of McDonalds?
Of course, while it's completely unworkable and leads to other problems, it happily evokes one of Larry Burns' best lines from the Simpsons:
"This place is emptier than a Scottish pay toilet."
I have a cappuccino machine myself at home. I have a grinder, a tamper and a knock box. If you are a regular coffee drinker surely you have a way of getting your morning fix without having to go out of the house, drive to a Starbucks, and wait in a line.
Are there people who use a Starbucks so regularly that they would carry a card?
In any case I finally had to stop trying to keep my thirty year old sports car running and buy something more sensible. Now I don't go to my garage anymore and I don't go to the Starbucks nearby. I'm happier.Replies: @Jack D
Steve & iSteve commentator anon:
Rest assured that when push comes to shoves any conscientious Starbucks workers will be thrown under the boss by their virtuous Starbucks overlords!
If it's not one thing, it's another.
There is a weird undercurrent to the whole thing that it’s odd doesn’t seem to get discussed.
It’s as if – without discussion or debate – there’s been a general cultural consensus – that when “white people” transgress by failing to rightly form their words or take actions that cause offense, in other words when it may be interpreted that they passed beyond microaggression – that they are obliged, on mass and collectively, to endure hectoring lectures and re-education.
No one is questioning this. Maybe at Unz. Maybe little notices at NRO. How about elected officials? How about they notice?
Where did people, by dint of the color of their skin, get assigned the status of Sensitivity-Probation and where is it written that if people of such status individually, or as a member of a class, are associated with a breech of sensitivity, then all members fall off Probation and into Disciplinary Remediation?
How did that happen? And why is anyone going to shop at Starbucks on May 30, since it’s doing so much to normalize this obscenity?
Around 1968 when the affirmative action law was passed he went to a week long auto industry conference near Detroit about how affirmative action would affect the industry.
He was told “ from now on, every hiring, firing, promotion and assignment decision is subject to litigation.”
He also visited a friend who worked for the United Auto Workers. His friend had nothing but complaints about the blacks the UAW hired as pretend executives. All they did was yap on the phone all day and bother the women
Bothering being what is now called harassment
This color blind type policy has not worked
What we need is recognition of white privileged and the systemic abuses that People of Color face everyday
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone.
My friend’s position was that “we” would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that “we” would not have been told to leave and that “we” could have even used the bathroom. This “we” is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don’t want to belong to that club of “we.”
You should be writing scripts for CNN.
By the way, you must be a lot of fun on a day out shopping.
Tschues, Schatzi ;)
I occasionally have a morning coffee at McDonald’s. The restaurant has a sign up that specifies only customers are allowed to sit in the restaurant. The sign also specifies that even customers are expected to be in the restaurant for no longer than 40 minutes.
I think the reason is because our area has a bit of a homeless problem. It’s common for the homeless, most of whom are actually White, to hang out in fast food restaurants for much of the day.
However, typically McDonald’s isn’t too strict about enforcing the rule unless you’re creating problems or somehow being a nuisance.
They've of course also locked the bathrooms, taken away napkin dispensers (you have to ask for these from behind the counter) and soft drink dispensers no longer provide water (you have to ask for that too).
Nevertheless I see folks coming in off the street without buying anything and filling their ratty old big gulp cups & igloo jugs with whatever they want... like a watering hole in the African savanna.
The joys of living in diverse low trust communities... we just can't have nice things any more.
-No sleeping
-No changing of clothes
-No sex etcThe target is homeless.Even in libraries in more upscale neighborhoods in adjacent Montgomery County, MD, homeless and/or mentally impaired spend their days -- there are regulars who take regular seats, talk to themselves, sometimes shriek as whatever mental disorder afflicts them.Rome used to have public baths.Replies: @prosa123
It costs $110 per year to be allowed into Costco warehouse stores. It’s a really successful business model.
I have friends who belong to Costco here in Texas. They said it's wall-to-wall Indians. Why on earth would I pay for that when merely going out of my house gets me that for free? I've also never set foot in a Starbucks and never will. Whatever the cause du jour is, I will not support it, will not 'donate' a dollar, and will not grace any favored location with my patronage. It's one of the few ways I have to say FU to the whole rotten system.
Now I do donate pennies - by taping them to whatever junk repuke survey we get to add weight and thus cost, and return them in the postage-paid envelopes. It's actually been a few months since I got any crap from the Heritage Foundation, so perhaps it finally worked. Noticed on tv at the gym they have a new magic Negress president - because DR3 of course. I hate repukes.Replies: @Jack D
There are too many otber places to go and tbeir customers aren’t that loyal.
I think Costco will allow entry to a gift card holder allowing one to bypass the annual fee. But , generally speaking, a trick is to let prices and hurdles discriminate so as to mask the real underlying issue
I’m not sure why any non-SJW would still patronize Starbucks at this point. I guess most people are relatively apolitical and just want their coffee fix. I admit I still buy Seattle’s Best [a subsidiary of Starbucks] ground coffee at the grocery store. Too inexpensive and high-quality to pass up.
Sounds like a disparate impact lawsuit in the making.
No. A family member who lives in a city in the South once told me that you can tell when the food stamp cards have been replenished by how busy it is at Sam's Club or Costco or whatever. So people on food stamps have no problem getting memberships to these places.
The effect of a members only setup is that it keeps out the people who wander in with no intention of paying for anything. Plus they check your cart against your receipt when you leave. Combine that with the size of most of the items they're selling, which don't easily fit inside a pocker or underneath a jacket and Costco must have by far the lowest shoplifting rates in the business.Replies: @Alfa158, @Anonymous, @Camlost, @stillCARealist, @Buffalo Joe
Q: Will the inevitable failure of the training to produce any tangible results suggest that the training was a failure?
A: No! It will just go to show how much more sensitivity training Starbucks employees need!
Well, on the bright side, maybe we’ll get to see some of those hilarious Worldstar Hiphop brawl videos set in Starbucks, rather than the more proletarian establishments like McDonald’s they usually occur in.
This did seem to be a probe.
In the fairly recent past, I have worked in situations where I had to “throw people out”. (I was a very underemployed white man, for what it’s worth, and both my coworkers and the public we dealt with tended to be fairly multiracial.) A number of times I was the sole person responsible for getting them to go, and the crucial thing that enabled me to do this authoritatively was knowing that I would be backed up by my superiors. Sometimes I had to deal with people that were not immediately causing objective harm, but were in clear violation of clear rules. I sought to convey that I understood their frustration, but that there were rules in place that it was my duty to enforce. But the crucial thing that made me ready and willing to do this was knowing that I would be backed up by people up the chain.
Right now I am pretty much a daily patron of Starbucks, and my sense is that this “training” is simply going to increase the distance between workers and upper management, and will likely significantly decrease the trust that front-line employees have in their superiors. What is actually needed is trust in the ability of individuals to make judgments on their own, but in reality, making good interpersonal judgments depends in part on relying on every piece of information one has on others, and this most certainly includes all sorts of information that the Starbucks corporation will certainly say should not be used in judging others.
1) Working there will be working in a bureacracy, which is not an environment most people like to work in. It'll make it that much more miserable to work there, especially when customer service problems, such as the original topic here, go down.
2) All those rule can't anticipate the exact cirumstances when an incident happens. An employee or local manager who has seen the people involved and heard everything said can make a better judgement than some corporate rule-maker committee thought it did.
Either way, if there is another problem that puts Starbucks in a bad light, whether rightly or wrongly, they will just throw the employee under the bus and say he was a loose cannon, even if he followed as much of the rules to the letter as possible. The rules don't cover all the possiblities and they will conflict often. At the end of it, corporate will just make a new rule to try to cover what happened with the guy they threw under the bus.
No, it'd be better for the employees if they just have a meaningless 4-hour struggele session - yeah, bring earbuds and cover them with your long hair that was formerly in a man-bun.
The future?
Low trust society will demand that free access will be replaced with “members only clubs” like Costco or AmazonGO, where you have to check in with credentials or some electronic app. Virtual bouncers or turnstiles can keep out the riffraff, moochers and troublemakers.
They won’t want to make personnel have to enter direct confrontations with rule breakers.
It’s a no win proposition.
Anarchotyranny is what it is.
I think the reason is because our area has a bit of a homeless problem. It's common for the homeless, most of whom are actually White, to hang out in fast food restaurants for much of the day.
However, typically McDonald's isn't too strict about enforcing the rule unless you're creating problems or somehow being a nuisance.Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @Thea, @anon, @RadicalCenter
Similar situation in my neighborhood.
They’ve of course also locked the bathrooms, taken away napkin dispensers (you have to ask for these from behind the counter) and soft drink dispensers no longer provide water (you have to ask for that too).
Nevertheless I see folks coming in off the street without buying anything and filling their ratty old big gulp cups & igloo jugs with whatever they want… like a watering hole in the African savanna.
The joys of living in diverse low trust communities… we just can’t have nice things any more.
Remember the YouTube clip of a black guy who, to show how absurd things are getting, went to Starbucks and demanded free coffee for being black? And the nice white girl behind the counter gave it to him?
It isn't her money at stake. She comes off looking like a sweet girl on YouTube, who at least wants to avoid conflict. The store may lose a tiny bit of money. Had she resisted, she could have her face all over the internet as a racist white girl. She could lose her job and have her life ruined. Starbucks could look bad.
She doesn't need any training.Replies: @Anonymous, @Pat Boyle
A crucial element there was that the guy was engaging her as an individual. Of course it was all sort of a ploy on his part, but he really was engaging her as an individual, and she engaged him as an individual in responding. No matter how absurd the situation, I end up liking them both after watching the video.
Still, Negro Lips are better than Negro Balls:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukr5ZwQ29EsReplies: @Pericles
In parts of China omnipresent cameras connected to super quick facial recognition systems catch jaywalkers and send them a ticket.
Americans are already used to being filmed, and I would expect that it is only a matter of time before businesses start to share databases of problem customers’ faces.
Disparate impact will ensue.
What form it will take exactly, I don’t know.
I never went in there again after reading the sign because I figured there was no way to positively determine who took what if more than one person was in there at the same or a similar time and I figured if a stale pale male and a Vibrant were in there, the StPM might be the most convenient to blame.
I’d like to see someone, perhaps Trump, call out Starbucks for their contribution to the nation’s obesity epidemic and ask them if they’d be more willing to use their corporate heft to take on that issue rather than this phony “racism” issue.
It’s one thing to virtue signal on a topic that has no long term impact on your business, and doesn’t exist, quit another to deal with a real problem, with real measurable metrics, that your business practices are contributing to.
They have normalized daily guzzlings of Whipped Cream heaps over Syrup w/ a splash of coffee.
People delude themselves into thinking it is a sustainable ritual. They might as well be going to Dairy QueenReplies: @Dave from Oz
It's too bad. I wonder how many red-state Americans fast food has killed.Replies: @Buffalo Joe
Boycott Starbucks! it's fattening, expensive, and left-wing. The triple crown.
“Sounds like a disparate impact lawsuit in the making.”
No. A family member who lives in a city in the South once told me that you can tell when the food stamp cards have been replenished by how busy it is at Sam’s Club or Costco or whatever. So people on food stamps have no problem getting memberships to these places.
The effect of a members only setup is that it keeps out the people who wander in with no intention of paying for anything. Plus they check your cart against your receipt when you leave. Combine that with the size of most of the items they’re selling, which don’t easily fit inside a pocker or underneath a jacket and Costco must have by far the lowest shoplifting rates in the business.
I like idea of Starbucks just converting to a hybrid Cafe-Homeless Shelter chain. The SWPLs could get their daily Virtue fix by stopping by to give a snack to a hobo then reward themselves with a soy Latte.
The only downside is that the decor would need to a makeover: all plastic furniture, floor drains and all-tile floors/walls to allow frequent power washing.
May 29 should be “National Bang on the Door of Your Local Starbucks for Your Free Brewparations Day”. Hmm, maybe NBDYLSYFBD could be pronounced “Nobody Loves You For Being Dark”.
Chinese toilets are very stingy with their toilet paper because the Chinese will steal anything not nailed down:
https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/20/14986640/china-toilet-paper-theft-facial-recognition-machine
The training necessary would surely vary quite a bit according to the location, for example many Starbucks cafes are located in places like airports or inside Target stores, where they don’t have their own bathrooms.
From my blog:
Apr 23, 2018 – Centralized News in the USA
If someone is running a coffee shop and provides seating for customers, it is rude for non-customers to loiter, and even customers after finishing their drink long ago, especially when it is crowded. If someone sits for a few minutes waiting for something that is no big deal, but if employees ask them to leave, they should leave.
I am convinced that somewhere in the USA there is a secret control center where people decide what news Americans see each day. For example, last week two poorly dressed guys were loitering in a Starbucks who had not bought anything. They were asked to leave, something that happens hundreds of times a day in the USA. They claimed they were waiting for someone, and that is fine for several minutes, but not for hours. The police showed up, which was probably 20 minutes later, and they still refused to leave, so got arrested. As this happened, someone was there to record this non-event just as a “white guy” who was going to “change the lives” of the two black men showed up to ask why they were being arrested.
This was national news the next day! There is no news editor in the USA who thinks this is news, yet they all ran this story as ordered with an unproven racist angle, as though everyone has the right to loiter in Starbucks so long as they are white. It is obvious this was a staged event. The national networks did interviews and all local newscasts carried this “story” but none used google to learn the homeless are a huge problem for Starbucks. This story was selected for nationwide coverage as part of a never ending campaign to foment racial conflict among American workers and redirect anger away from the ruling class.
Another example is the recent senseless American missile attack in Syria. Sane people immediately doubted the Syrians would launch a mindless gas attack. None of the major news organizations in the nation condemned the American attack, even though it was a blatant war crime. They did not inform Americans when it was revealed the targets had been okayed by Russia and consisted of empty buildings. Moreover, when investigators arrived and determined there was no gas attack, American media refused to report this story, but did find lots of time to report on a meaningless arrest at a Starbucks.
The only interesting news from this staged event was the reaction of the spineless ultra-wealthy owners of Starbucks. They fired their hard working manager on the spot who did nothing wrong, because their workers are disposable trash. Now all Starbucks in the USA will become homeless shelters, business will fall, and workers will be laid off. Ironically, the main reason homelessness became a big problem in the USA is because of mass immigration, which Starbucks strongly supports.
https://news.starbucks.com/news/living-our-values-in-uncertain-times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-yba3R6IBYReplies: @donut
Why am I not surprised?
Some of TD’s favorite people behaving badly at Starbucks:
Wonder if this video will be part of the Starbucks employee re-education camp?
I guess laptops are the new purses. Blacks used to grab purses now they grab laptops.
What about premises liability? Could the victim of a laptop thief sue the establishment because the theft happened there?Replies: @Jack D
This is the last thing that will happen. Corporations need to appear to be “doing something”, but keep it vague enough so that employees can be scapegoated as the culture shifts. The tension between running a functioning business and appearing to uphold progressive religious standards devolves upon employees. The HR training is going to get more vague and more surreal.
I saw this firsthand working in an upscale retail area. Occasionally we’d get some wild-eyed BLM type harassing our customers and we’d have to try to keep them from making people uncomfortable, all the while knowing that it was our ass if it turned into a big thing. Generally we’d redirect their craziness onto one of us and let them tire themselves out, then they’d leave.
The amazing thing is that there aren’t more wild-eyed Robespierres given how spooked everyone has become by the eye of Sauron. Even other patrons often won’t stand up for themselves. I suppose Twitter has made a lot of leftists lazy, they can feel like they’re “doing something” by shaming people online.
What we need is recognition of white privileged and the systemic abuses that People of Color face everyday
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone.
My friend's position was that "we" would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that "we" would not have been told to leave and that "we" could have even used the bathroom. This "we" is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don't want to belong to that club of "we."Replies: @black sea, @Alfa158, @John Cunningham, @ScarletNumber, @36 ulster, @Iberiano, @Buffalo Joe, @al gore rhythms, @RadicalCenter, @Alden
A relationship with your inflatable doll does not constitute a “longtime” friendship.
Right now I am pretty much a daily patron of Starbucks, and my sense is that this "training" is simply going to increase the distance between workers and upper management, and will likely significantly decrease the trust that front-line employees have in their superiors. What is actually needed is trust in the ability of individuals to make judgments on their own, but in reality, making good interpersonal judgments depends in part on relying on every piece of information one has on others, and this most certainly includes all sorts of information that the Starbucks corporation will certainly say should not be used in judging others.Replies: @anonymous, @black sea, @Achmed E. Newman, @SimplePseudonymicHandle
Starbucks got rid of the woman who called the cops. She tried to protect their business by keeping it congenial for paying customers and they threw her under the bus. That sends a message. Just let the place go to blazes. They don’t pay all that well anyway. Who could have any loyalty to a company like that?
In Johnson County, KS there was this place that billed itself as a "Christian Coffeehouse". They had a free lending library of religious books people donated (some diversity was tolerated, but not a lot: I snuck copies of the Douay-Reims Catholic bible, Science and Health, the Book of Mormon and some garage sale L Ron Hubbard titles in the stack to see what would suddenly vanish. All but the DR bible were gone within a week, ritually burned I'm sure.) and generally had a crowd that was half locals and half fundolis and fundessas. BUT THE COFFEE WAS GOOD. They did pretty well.
The founders sold the place (a husband and wife, the husband played pedal steel and the wife was about 6'2", maybe taller) and the new owners bought a different coffee. They also brought in ice cream.
As Yogi Berra might have said, the place is still busy but no one goes there any more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JhLuVu-Cho
It’s one thing to virtue signal on a topic that has no long term impact on your business, and doesn’t exist, quit another to deal with a real problem, with real measurable metrics, that your business practices are contributing to.Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon, @SFG, @stillCARealist
Based. Most of Starbucks menu, & one assumes a shockingly high % of their revenue, is Desserts Masquerading as Coffee.
They have normalized daily guzzlings of Whipped Cream heaps over Syrup w/ a splash of coffee.
People delude themselves into thinking it is a sustainable ritual. They might as well be going to Dairy Queen
Right now I am pretty much a daily patron of Starbucks, and my sense is that this "training" is simply going to increase the distance between workers and upper management, and will likely significantly decrease the trust that front-line employees have in their superiors. What is actually needed is trust in the ability of individuals to make judgments on their own, but in reality, making good interpersonal judgments depends in part on relying on every piece of information one has on others, and this most certainly includes all sorts of information that the Starbucks corporation will certainly say should not be used in judging others.Replies: @anonymous, @black sea, @Achmed E. Newman, @SimplePseudonymicHandle
The message Starbucks is conveying to its employees is, “We can throw you under the bus if you don’t enforce the rules of the establishment, but we can also throw you under the bus if you do enforce the rules of the establishment. So just get used to the idea that, depending on how things pan out, you can get thrown under the bus regardless of what you do. And don’t forget to smile.”
I worked in an office building where they had a “store” with candy bars, sodas, etc and some corporate swaglike items that cost money-a few up to, say, $50-that was unattended. You needed to badge in with a key tag from a vendor called “Company Kitchen”. They had cameras and watched who took what. When you picked out your items you scanned them with UPC codes and paid with a credit or debit card or fed dollar bills in a changer. A sign said that by agrement with the vendor, people taking items without paying would be punished by being banned from the store and may be suspended or fired.
I never went in there again after reading the sign because I figured there was no way to positively determine who took what if more than one person was in there at the same or a similar time and I figured if a stale pale male and a Vibrant were in there, the StPM might be the most convenient to blame.
That’s the ticket! Call it the Left Coast Coffee Club! Blonde roast coffee drinkers only.
Actually, it might be easier to simply install turnstile access to seating and facilities and give access tickets or tokens to each customer who buys something explicity to dine- or drink-in. In some locations there are sales tax or VAT issues related to dine- or drink-in vs. takeaway anyway, so maybe siccing local tax authorities on Starbucks might achieve social justice quicker than virtue-signalling training sessions.Replies: @njguy73
I got a better idea: personal table licenses, like seat licenses at NFL stadiums. The holder gets one year’s right to a table at a Starbucks. When the holder enters, whoever’s at the table has to get up. You don’t think people would pay for that?
Addendum: I just noticed that “Reader 2” suggested something similar, along the lines of Amazon Prime.
I doubt that these 2 videos will be part of the Starbucks employee re-education camp:
A NYPD Sgt. Suing Starbucks After Violent Encounter In Busy Midtown Location
NEW YORK (CBS NewYork) An injury sustained in a violent scuffle inside a Midtown Starbucks could spell the premature end of a NYPD sergeant’s career.
Sgt. Timothy Wall says it all could have been prevented if the coffee chain had just listened to him. He claims he warned them for over a year that, if they didn’t change their policy giving free food to people who are emotionally disturbed, someone was going to get hurt.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/04/26/nypd-sergeant-sues-starbucks/
Coffee Shop Theft – People Behaving Badly
Two men enter a coffee shop in San Francisco asking for water but leave with something much more valuable.
Reader 2, sounds good to me. Perhaps using a prepaid/debit card for entry, similar to what banks employ at ATM lobbies, is the future. Business may even be better with the added perceived exclusivity? I have no problem with separate and unequal, which is simply a matter in fact.
Heck, access card entry may even be good for the future of McDonalds?
Tiny Duck is not only a troll, he is a plagiarist. His comment on losing a friendship was lifted straight from a recent letter in, if I recall correctly, the Wall Street Journal.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-starbucks-philadelphia-racism-20180426-story.htmlReplies: @Semperluctor
No one found it slightly icky when the girl thought she needed to engage the black guy in small talk even as he was trying to leave with the spoils of his shakedown? I mean, keep him talking till till the cops arrive, fair enough.
Or maybe he wrote it in the first place. Who knows?
I feel betrayed by my pupil.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
What we need is recognition of white privileged and the systemic abuses that People of Color face everyday
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone.
My friend's position was that "we" would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that "we" would not have been told to leave and that "we" could have even used the bathroom. This "we" is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don't want to belong to that club of "we."Replies: @black sea, @Alfa158, @John Cunningham, @ScarletNumber, @36 ulster, @Iberiano, @Buffalo Joe, @al gore rhythms, @RadicalCenter, @Alden
LOL. Ok, that was a good one.
Apr 23, 2018 - Centralized News in the USA
If someone is running a coffee shop and provides seating for customers, it is rude for non-customers to loiter, and even customers after finishing their drink long ago, especially when it is crowded. If someone sits for a few minutes waiting for something that is no big deal, but if employees ask them to leave, they should leave.
I am convinced that somewhere in the USA there is a secret control center where people decide what news Americans see each day. For example, last week two poorly dressed guys were loitering in a Starbucks who had not bought anything. They were asked to leave, something that happens hundreds of times a day in the USA. They claimed they were waiting for someone, and that is fine for several minutes, but not for hours. The police showed up, which was probably 20 minutes later, and they still refused to leave, so got arrested. As this happened, someone was there to record this non-event just as a "white guy" who was going to "change the lives" of the two black men showed up to ask why they were being arrested.
This was national news the next day! There is no news editor in the USA who thinks this is news, yet they all ran this story as ordered with an unproven racist angle, as though everyone has the right to loiter in Starbucks so long as they are white. It is obvious this was a staged event. The national networks did interviews and all local newscasts carried this "story" but none used google to learn the homeless are a huge problem for Starbucks. This story was selected for nationwide coverage as part of a never ending campaign to foment racial conflict among American workers and redirect anger away from the ruling class.
Another example is the recent senseless American missile attack in Syria. Sane people immediately doubted the Syrians would launch a mindless gas attack. None of the major news organizations in the nation condemned the American attack, even though it was a blatant war crime. They did not inform Americans when it was revealed the targets had been okayed by Russia and consisted of empty buildings. Moreover, when investigators arrived and determined there was no gas attack, American media refused to report this story, but did find lots of time to report on a meaningless arrest at a Starbucks.
The only interesting news from this staged event was the reaction of the spineless ultra-wealthy owners of Starbucks. They fired their hard working manager on the spot who did nothing wrong, because their workers are disposable trash. Now all Starbucks in the USA will become homeless shelters, business will fall, and workers will be laid off. Ironically, the main reason homelessness became a big problem in the USA is because of mass immigration, which Starbucks strongly supports.
https://news.starbucks.com/news/living-our-values-in-uncertain-timesReplies: @donut, @anonymous, @Alden
“None of the major news organizations in the nation condemned the American attack, even though it was a blatant war crime.” I believe Tucker Carlson did just that .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-yba3R6IBY
They have normalized daily guzzlings of Whipped Cream heaps over Syrup w/ a splash of coffee.
People delude themselves into thinking it is a sustainable ritual. They might as well be going to Dairy QueenReplies: @Dave from Oz
Starbucks sells milkshakes. If it has milk, cream, syrup, and cream then it’s a milkshake – a shot of espresso does not turn it into a coffee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8t5l8_snUo
Wonder if this video will be part of the Starbucks employee re-education camp?Replies: @donut, @Alden
“The safest thing to do is let it happen.”
No. A family member who lives in a city in the South once told me that you can tell when the food stamp cards have been replenished by how busy it is at Sam's Club or Costco or whatever. So people on food stamps have no problem getting memberships to these places.
The effect of a members only setup is that it keeps out the people who wander in with no intention of paying for anything. Plus they check your cart against your receipt when you leave. Combine that with the size of most of the items they're selling, which don't easily fit inside a pocker or underneath a jacket and Costco must have by far the lowest shoplifting rates in the business.Replies: @Alfa158, @Anonymous, @Camlost, @stillCARealist, @Buffalo Joe
It also drastically reduces credit card fraud. You have to show your membership photo-ID at checkout and they only accept cash or their own credit card. It makes it very tough to buy anything with a stolen or cloned credit card.
What! And here I thought his satire and typing skills were starting to improve under my tutelage.
I feel betrayed by my pupil.
Starbucks has created an image of being this friendly avuncular local place where your values are shared, when in fact it is run by avaricious MBA mentality people. It worked for Borders Books for years and it is working great for Starbucks now.
In Johnson County, KS there was this place that billed itself as a “Christian Coffeehouse”. They had a free lending library of religious books people donated (some diversity was tolerated, but not a lot: I snuck copies of the Douay-Reims Catholic bible, Science and Health, the Book of Mormon and some garage sale L Ron Hubbard titles in the stack to see what would suddenly vanish. All but the DR bible were gone within a week, ritually burned I’m sure.) and generally had a crowd that was half locals and half fundolis and fundessas. BUT THE COFFEE WAS GOOD. They did pretty well.
The founders sold the place (a husband and wife, the husband played pedal steel and the wife was about 6’2″, maybe taller) and the new owners bought a different coffee. They also brought in ice cream.
As Yogi Berra might have said, the place is still busy but no one goes there any more.
The speakers at this training should be the characters in Seinfeld. George Costanza would be the one to go to for toilet etiquette.
Do you really think that TD only comments on Sailer’s blog ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-yba3R6IBYReplies: @donut
Sorry wrong link .
I assume that some alt Right barista will record the QA session, and the PC non-answer answers. As Rev. Wright used to admonish, things are coming to a boil, the chickens are coming home to roost. The central issues cannot be evaded —can you trespass or not?
It is important to note that this black guy, too, thought the whole thing is ridiculous, and had harsh words for black people AND lefty SJW Starbucks corporate management about the situation they created.
No. A family member who lives in a city in the South once told me that you can tell when the food stamp cards have been replenished by how busy it is at Sam's Club or Costco or whatever. So people on food stamps have no problem getting memberships to these places.
The effect of a members only setup is that it keeps out the people who wander in with no intention of paying for anything. Plus they check your cart against your receipt when you leave. Combine that with the size of most of the items they're selling, which don't easily fit inside a pocker or underneath a jacket and Costco must have by far the lowest shoplifting rates in the business.Replies: @Alfa158, @Anonymous, @Camlost, @stillCARealist, @Buffalo Joe
And forget about trying to open up one of those big clamshell “consumer-proof” plastic packages to get the item out. You need a chainsaw for that.
A Finn told me of an incident in Sweden, when a well-dressed black man with a high-toned accent went into a small shop and asked the sales clerk for a package of a local candy called “Negro Lips”. The girl was mortified, but she politely gave them to him.
Still, Negro Lips are better than Negro Balls:
I ordered a negerboll for a coffee break a while ago in a Stockholm coffee shop and of course received a lecture on the topic by the cute university student cashier. The name these days is 'chokladboll' or chocolate ball.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
I didn’t realize that people hang around in Starbucks or other coffee shops for the express purpose of stealing laptops from paying customers:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=j8t5l8_snUo
The video also offers tips on how not to get your laptop stolen by people loitering in coffee shops, which is good because I’m going to predict an increase in loitering in Starbucks.
Your local Starbucks schlub gets to make decisions akin to those faced by an inner city cop on an average night. However they have zero training to really make those calls and the understanding that they will get shitcanned if it means Starbucks can virtue signal how good and pure they are.
No. A family member who lives in a city in the South once told me that you can tell when the food stamp cards have been replenished by how busy it is at Sam's Club or Costco or whatever. So people on food stamps have no problem getting memberships to these places.
The effect of a members only setup is that it keeps out the people who wander in with no intention of paying for anything. Plus they check your cart against your receipt when you leave. Combine that with the size of most of the items they're selling, which don't easily fit inside a pocker or underneath a jacket and Costco must have by far the lowest shoplifting rates in the business.Replies: @Alfa158, @Anonymous, @Camlost, @stillCARealist, @Buffalo Joe
No way. Southern “ghetto types” are not shopping at Costco, they’re buying things at vastly overpriced corner shops that will trade them a few $$$ dollars in cash back on their purchases. Shopping at Costco is what those of intelligence and good money management skills would do to stretch the resources.
Costco doesn’t put stores in the ‘hood. I live here in Atlanta and I think there’s only 1 Costco in Metro Atlanta that is “south of I-20” (code term) and its’ so far south that is starts to border on white rural areas again.
What we need is recognition of white privileged and the systemic abuses that People of Color face everyday
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone.
My friend's position was that "we" would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that "we" would not have been told to leave and that "we" could have even used the bathroom. This "we" is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don't want to belong to that club of "we."Replies: @black sea, @Alfa158, @John Cunningham, @ScarletNumber, @36 ulster, @Iberiano, @Buffalo Joe, @al gore rhythms, @RadicalCenter, @Alden
Tiny Dick, if you think you have any friends, you are truly delusional.
Right now I am pretty much a daily patron of Starbucks, and my sense is that this "training" is simply going to increase the distance between workers and upper management, and will likely significantly decrease the trust that front-line employees have in their superiors. What is actually needed is trust in the ability of individuals to make judgments on their own, but in reality, making good interpersonal judgments depends in part on relying on every piece of information one has on others, and this most certainly includes all sorts of information that the Starbucks corporation will certainly say should not be used in judging others.Replies: @anonymous, @black sea, @Achmed E. Newman, @SimplePseudonymicHandle
This is the best pertinent comment on here, IMO. Taking all the judgement that can be possibly taken away from the line workers is a policy often undertaken by the corporate cube-dwellers. The problems with laying out all those bureacratic rules on the employees are:
1) Working there will be working in a bureacracy, which is not an environment most people like to work in. It’ll make it that much more miserable to work there, especially when customer service problems, such as the original topic here, go down.
2) All those rule can’t anticipate the exact cirumstances when an incident happens. An employee or local manager who has seen the people involved and heard everything said can make a better judgement than some corporate rule-maker committee thought it did.
Either way, if there is another problem that puts Starbucks in a bad light, whether rightly or wrongly, they will just throw the employee under the bus and say he was a loose cannon, even if he followed as much of the rules to the letter as possible. The rules don’t cover all the possiblities and they will conflict often. At the end of it, corporate will just make a new rule to try to cover what happened with the guy they threw under the bus.
No, it’d be better for the employees if they just have a meaningless 4-hour struggele session – yeah, bring earbuds and cover them with your long hair that was formerly in a man-bun.
Costco shoppers are usually members of families, typically 3 or more people. Everyone owns a car, or typically an SUV. Most shoppers live in houses rather than apartments, with lots of room to store stuff. The mean shopping trip there might be maybe $350 or more, so customers are typically financially liquid.
Thus, the typical Costco shopper is a little grizzled looking, especially compared to Target shoppers. Target attracts pretty single girl customers by offering a selection of, say, 50 or 75 different kinds of shampoo. If you are a 23 year old girl, it’s reasonable to shop carefully for the ideal hair care products for your head of hair. In contrast, Costco offers maybe 3 kinds of shampoo because their target are parents who buy one kind of good quality shampoo that’s good enough for the whole family.
But the idea of black folks shopping at Costco to maximize their dollars is just laughable. The planning and money management tendencies you see in the typical Costco customer simply isn't their strong point, to say the least. (especially the part about the up-front $$$ annnual membership fee)
If you look at a map of where the Targets are in Metro Atlanta you will see big similarities with where Costcos are located and also where Atlanta Braves season ticket holders are located. It's a mystery, I know.
You can fill up on samples and then top it off with a hot dog or some pizza on the way out. You can't buy anything without a card though.Replies: @Anonymous
Just like Masta-Beta says (and Paul Kersey of sbpdl does a lot), this is why we can’t have nice things. That would mean the manager on duty would have to keep track of customers in the area continuously, remembering if he “carded” them already. The customers would have to endure this check, kind of like a more benign stop-and-frisk policy, each visit or even a few times if they hang out quite a while and/or employees come and go. Keep in mind, there are outside seating places often.
I do see pretty girls at Target, but I don’t see the 50 colors of shampoo anymore. I think they cut out the cheap stuff, but probably they do have the selection the women want. I am not a Costco member, but I can imagine them having shampoo in 5-gallon drums. It’s a prepper’s dream!
I feel betrayed by my pupil.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Have patience, Alfa. Mr. Duck is a learning-challenged, under-priveledged minority. He falls under a different set of standards.
How about someone start a new enterprise called TRUTH TRAINING?
Makes more sense than ‘Diversity Training’.
Truth Training sessions would include people trained to be True Race-ists laying it all out straight. For example, all the workers and managers would be assembled and be made to listen to speech and instructions.
It might go like this:
“Okay, this problem about Diversity is not about Hindus, Asians, Mexicans, Homos, white hipsters, or Muslims… unless it’s the rare one that like to blow up stuff. No, on a day-to-day basis, the problem of Diversity is about blacks. Most Starbucks or any other franchise don’t have problems with most groups. Sure, all groups get out of order sometimes, but it’s the blacks who make the most trouble. Whoever heard of Swedish Americans or Japanese-Americans having a riot at Chuck E Cheese? Usually, it’s the Negroes who be doing that stuff. So, let’s not pretend the problem in America is like in DO THE RIGHT THING that would have you believe that all these different groups in NY can’t stand each other. In fact, even if they don’t much like each other, they get along. The problem is with blacks.
It’s whites vs black, Jews vs black, browns vs blacks, yellows vs blacks, blacks vs blacks, black men vs black men,, etc. And blacks also cause the most problem for homos and trannies. It’s like black kids are suspended more in school. It’s not because the teachers are ‘racist’. In many of these schools, the principals and teachers are either black or dye-in-wood libby-dibs. So, let’s have some straight talk, like in the scene in THE WANDERERS between the greasers and the brothas. The problem isn’t so much Diversity per se as blacks. Look at knockout games. Blacks. Look at flashmob robbery. Blacks. Look at rape stats. Blacks. Look at gun violence. Blacks. So, there is no need to drag in latinos or homos or Jews into this debate. Sure, they want to be included in the discussion involving Negrolatry. What is Negrolatry? According to John Derbyshire, it is treating Negroes as sacred objects no matter what they do. Because Negroes be sacred, we are to believe that any altercation involving blacks must be the fault of whites or non-blacks or the system. It’s never the fault of holy blacks. Apparently, blacks are like that mountain-sized negro in GREEN MILE who loves the little white mouse. We are supposed to hear MLK bellowing from the mouth of every Negro. But let’s have some real talk. Sure, slavery happened and there was Jim Crow. But that is not the reason why blacks cause so much trouble. It’s due to evolution. Blacks just evolved to let the good times roll. Now, letting the good times roll is good at most times but not at the expense of other people. So, just as other groups must be mindful of Negroes, Negroes gotta be mindful of others. But too many Negroes only be mindful of theyselves and no one else. This is why black men and black women be talking shi* to each other all the time. Why do blacks act this way? It’s genetics. Blacks evolved in warrior-hunter worlds with lots of malaria and hippos, and that drove them a bit nuts. Human species can roughly be divided into Sub-Saharan blacks and everyone else… which is why in every city, most of the problem is between black and non-black. I mean even Jews and Muslims in NY get along better than Jews and blacks or Muslims and blacks. Why is that? Negroes lack mindfulness and wanna let the good times roll at the expense of everyone else. Also, Negroes are more muscular and more aggressive. This means they feel arrogance when it comes to other races. They think, ‘We be badass like Mike Tyson and kick your ass, so you better not tell us what to do, sheeeeeiiiit.’ So, they feel contempt toward other races. Notice that black guys call white men ‘white boys’. Why is that? It’s because Jack Johnson and Muhammad Ali beat up all them ‘white boys’. Also, blacks in Africa evolved to favor the jive-and-shuck mofo. The black guy who danced and hollered the most got the most love and had the most kids. So, black DNA is all about acting like a rapper. This may be fun on TV but it’s a big headache in reality where people must get along together. But then, because blacks are so tough in sports and loud in music, many non-blacks worship blacks as godlike pop idol-race that must be revered. So, even when blacks act bad, it’s like they have a right to be badass, and it is our duty to play along. Another issue is IQ. Even though blacks are bigger and stronger, they tend to be lower in IQ and have childlike emotions. So, a lot of white folks see blacks as ‘children who can beat you up’. There is combination of patronizing condescension and abject fear. Many whites feel, “we have to treat the Negro differently because he just doesn’t get what we get and can’t live up to our standards of conduct” on the one hand, and on the other hand, “If we don’t do like the Negro says, he might go crazy and act like Mike Tyson who bit off Holyfield’s ear or, worse, OJ Simpson.” Indeed, the Diversity Training is really about ‘how best to handle blacks who are like children who can beat you up.’ What we really need is Negro Training. If Negroes were trained to act and behave better, we’d have far less trouble. And in the past, there used to be some Negro training. So, blacks were expected to be a ‘credit to their race’. But expecting blacks to improve their behavior got associated with real bigotry and discrimination in the past. So, the baby got thrown out with the bathwater. Also, as blacks realized they can knock out white boy in boxing and sports, they didn’t want to hear no advice from the weaker race. Having warrior DNA, blacks are naturally allergic to respecting any people who be weaker or slower. But if most Negroes were like Gary Coleman or Emmanuel Lewis, they might respect the white man more even if there had been slavery and Jim Crow because the little negro would at least respect the manhood of whitey. Now, there is no permanent solution to the race problem unless we can genetically engineer all future Negros to be like Gary Coleman or Emmanuel Lewis. For the time being, there is only the truth. And if we address this truth, we can get along better. So, if you’re white barista dealing with a Negro, you must tell yourself, “Negroes are more aggressive, arrogant, less intelligent, and less introspective. Negroes disrespect whitey as the weaker race and have this nasty attitude. Therefore, I shouldn’t expect Negroes to live up to standards of normal conduct. So, if a Negro breaks rules, just let him be unless it really gets out of hand because, after all, he is a Negro.” With such attitude, you will tolerate Negro stupidity better and avoid incidents. Now, if you’re a Negro, you should always remind yourself when you enter a business or building, “I’m a Negro with a troublesome inheritance of being troublesome. My ancestors evolved this way because there were too many malarial mosquitoes, hippos and angry elephants, mean lions and hyenas, and other equally warrior-like Negroes. My DNA is adapted to running around and chucking spears at animals and hollering and walloping, and this is problematic in a civilized setting where people must learn to be mindful and respectful of other people’s spaces and properties. When non-blacks see stuff owned by others, they see it belonging to others. But when we Negroes see it, we think ‘gots to have me!’ So, knowing this truth about my negro nature, I will at least make an effort to be mindful and not mess with other folks.” Now, if more Negroes thought that way, they would still be troublesome Negroes but they would at least gradually begin to develop a mechanism in their minds to restrain themselves from total stupidity. Truth cannot solve all problems but truth and only truth can set us free from falsehood, fantasies, and lies that plague us due to PC.”
Now, I know it’s not a great speech like Alec Baldwin’s in GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS(“Put that coffee down”), but there’s enough truth there to start a real conversation.
But yeah that's it.
One more thing regarding the employees in general and how they will not be backed up by Starbucks’ managment if it works against Starbucks’ virtue signaling. These employees aren’t all stupid. It’d be nice to see just one standing his ground and not worrying one bit about being fired. How much is the job worth vs. the great publicity one may receive for standing up to all the BS for a change?
My brother used to listen to Larry King, on radio, and he related how Larry told this story about all the employess of some retail place letting themselves get fired. They all went across the street telling stories and laughing about it. Yeah, I know it’s not the 1970’s anymore and good jobs (even somewhat decent) jobs are scarce. However, they can’t fire all of you. The first guy to take a stand is a hero and a rebel (so long as others follow …)
Yes. Target also attracts the money of upscale/Bachelor’s Degree white women through decorum, they don’t arrange their stuff on the shelves to (blatantly) maximize every bit of eye space like ugly and cluttered WalMart does.
But the idea of black folks shopping at Costco to maximize their dollars is just laughable. The planning and money management tendencies you see in the typical Costco customer simply isn’t their strong point, to say the least. (especially the part about the up-front $$$ annnual membership fee)
If you look at a map of where the Targets are in Metro Atlanta you will see big similarities with where Costcos are located and also where Atlanta Braves season ticket holders are located. It’s a mystery, I know.
Starbucks and their clueless northwest/left coast Executive Management will soon learn that the “urban” crowd in the East/South has absolutely no qualms about using your business as a hangout while having no intention of spending a dime.
And when the urban crowd uses your business as a social hangout, it won’t be long before “ongoing neighborhood disputes” start to spill over into your lobby.
For an example of this writ large, see the chaotic former Atlanta phenomenon known as Freaknik.
I hope #BLM inspires as many of their supporters as possible to occupy Starbucks on a hair trigger daring anyone to suggest that they buy something or move on along elsewhere. This could get really, really interesting.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/20/14986640/china-toilet-paper-theft-facial-recognition-machineReplies: @TheBoom, @Achmed E. Newman
They usually don’t have toilet paper even in fancy malls for that reason
Starbucks has a wonderful opportunity to show what happens when you go full SJW. The only long term winners are likely to be street bums and race hustlers with investors, store employees and customers all losing. Management will get to be short term winners at least for virtue signaling until a lot of urban stores become homeless camps.
San Francisco installed street toilets and they quickly became great places for junkies to shoot up and whores to turn tricks. Starbucks seems willing to turn their restrooms into the free equivalent of those public toilets.
I dunno, Howard Schultz is worth $3 billion. You don’t get that rich and stay that rich (Starbucks has been big since, what, the mid-1990s) by being naive about your own business.
Starbucks had an operating income of $4 billion in 2017. If they give, say 1% of that per year to racial shakedown artists, that’s a whole lot of money for the grifters.
You are assuming that the grifters will be satisfied by 1% of Starbucks profits. What stops, Al Sharpton Jr. from forcing starbucks to sell 25% of its equity to Blacks, like all major companies in South Africa?
In long run, do you expect a white minority to retain its market majority status? Especially at the very top?
The comment that Michael Jordan supposedly made about Republicans wearing sneakers, too, is lost on people like Schultz.
Being familiar with Starbucks business model, I can see them use this as another revenue opportunity.
>If they give, say 1% of that per year to racial shakedown artists, that’s a whole lot of money for the grifters.
You are assuming that the grifters will be satisfied by 1% of Starbucks profits. What stops, Al Sharpton Jr. from forcing starbucks to sell 25% of its equity to Blacks, like all major companies in South Africa?
In long run, do you expect a white minority to retain its market majority status? Especially at the very top?
Makes more sense than 'Diversity Training'.
Truth Training sessions would include people trained to be True Race-ists laying it all out straight. For example, all the workers and managers would be assembled and be made to listen to speech and instructions.
It might go like this:
"Okay, this problem about Diversity is not about Hindus, Asians, Mexicans, Homos, white hipsters, or Muslims... unless it's the rare one that like to blow up stuff. No, on a day-to-day basis, the problem of Diversity is about blacks. Most Starbucks or any other franchise don't have problems with most groups. Sure, all groups get out of order sometimes, but it's the blacks who make the most trouble. Whoever heard of Swedish Americans or Japanese-Americans having a riot at Chuck E Cheese? Usually, it's the Negroes who be doing that stuff. So, let's not pretend the problem in America is like in DO THE RIGHT THING that would have you believe that all these different groups in NY can't stand each other. In fact, even if they don't much like each other, they get along. The problem is with blacks.
It's whites vs black, Jews vs black, browns vs blacks, yellows vs blacks, blacks vs blacks, black men vs black men,, etc. And blacks also cause the most problem for homos and trannies. It's like black kids are suspended more in school. It's not because the teachers are 'racist'. In many of these schools, the principals and teachers are either black or dye-in-wood libby-dibs. So, let's have some straight talk, like in the scene in THE WANDERERS between the greasers and the brothas. The problem isn't so much Diversity per se as blacks. Look at knockout games. Blacks. Look at flashmob robbery. Blacks. Look at rape stats. Blacks. Look at gun violence. Blacks. So, there is no need to drag in latinos or homos or Jews into this debate. Sure, they want to be included in the discussion involving Negrolatry. What is Negrolatry? According to John Derbyshire, it is treating Negroes as sacred objects no matter what they do. Because Negroes be sacred, we are to believe that any altercation involving blacks must be the fault of whites or non-blacks or the system. It's never the fault of holy blacks. Apparently, blacks are like that mountain-sized negro in GREEN MILE who loves the little white mouse. We are supposed to hear MLK bellowing from the mouth of every Negro. But let's have some real talk. Sure, slavery happened and there was Jim Crow. But that is not the reason why blacks cause so much trouble. It's due to evolution. Blacks just evolved to let the good times roll. Now, letting the good times roll is good at most times but not at the expense of other people. So, just as other groups must be mindful of Negroes, Negroes gotta be mindful of others. But too many Negroes only be mindful of theyselves and no one else. This is why black men and black women be talking shi* to each other all the time. Why do blacks act this way? It's genetics. Blacks evolved in warrior-hunter worlds with lots of malaria and hippos, and that drove them a bit nuts. Human species can roughly be divided into Sub-Saharan blacks and everyone else... which is why in every city, most of the problem is between black and non-black. I mean even Jews and Muslims in NY get along better than Jews and blacks or Muslims and blacks. Why is that? Negroes lack mindfulness and wanna let the good times roll at the expense of everyone else. Also, Negroes are more muscular and more aggressive. This means they feel arrogance when it comes to other races. They think, 'We be badass like Mike Tyson and kick your ass, so you better not tell us what to do, sheeeeeiiiit.' So, they feel contempt toward other races. Notice that black guys call white men 'white boys'. Why is that? It's because Jack Johnson and Muhammad Ali beat up all them 'white boys'. Also, blacks in Africa evolved to favor the jive-and-shuck mofo. The black guy who danced and hollered the most got the most love and had the most kids. So, black DNA is all about acting like a rapper. This may be fun on TV but it's a big headache in reality where people must get along together. But then, because blacks are so tough in sports and loud in music, many non-blacks worship blacks as godlike pop idol-race that must be revered. So, even when blacks act bad, it's like they have a right to be badass, and it is our duty to play along. Another issue is IQ. Even though blacks are bigger and stronger, they tend to be lower in IQ and have childlike emotions. So, a lot of white folks see blacks as 'children who can beat you up'. There is combination of patronizing condescension and abject fear. Many whites feel, "we have to treat the Negro differently because he just doesn't get what we get and can't live up to our standards of conduct" on the one hand, and on the other hand, "If we don't do like the Negro says, he might go crazy and act like Mike Tyson who bit off Holyfield's ear or, worse, OJ Simpson." Indeed, the Diversity Training is really about 'how best to handle blacks who are like children who can beat you up.' What we really need is Negro Training. If Negroes were trained to act and behave better, we'd have far less trouble. And in the past, there used to be some Negro training. So, blacks were expected to be a 'credit to their race'. But expecting blacks to improve their behavior got associated with real bigotry and discrimination in the past. So, the baby got thrown out with the bathwater. Also, as blacks realized they can knock out white boy in boxing and sports, they didn't want to hear no advice from the weaker race. Having warrior DNA, blacks are naturally allergic to respecting any people who be weaker or slower. But if most Negroes were like Gary Coleman or Emmanuel Lewis, they might respect the white man more even if there had been slavery and Jim Crow because the little negro would at least respect the manhood of whitey. Now, there is no permanent solution to the race problem unless we can genetically engineer all future Negros to be like Gary Coleman or Emmanuel Lewis. For the time being, there is only the truth. And if we address this truth, we can get along better. So, if you're white barista dealing with a Negro, you must tell yourself, "Negroes are more aggressive, arrogant, less intelligent, and less introspective. Negroes disrespect whitey as the weaker race and have this nasty attitude. Therefore, I shouldn't expect Negroes to live up to standards of normal conduct. So, if a Negro breaks rules, just let him be unless it really gets out of hand because, after all, he is a Negro." With such attitude, you will tolerate Negro stupidity better and avoid incidents. Now, if you're a Negro, you should always remind yourself when you enter a business or building, "I'm a Negro with a troublesome inheritance of being troublesome. My ancestors evolved this way because there were too many malarial mosquitoes, hippos and angry elephants, mean lions and hyenas, and other equally warrior-like Negroes. My DNA is adapted to running around and chucking spears at animals and hollering and walloping, and this is problematic in a civilized setting where people must learn to be mindful and respectful of other people's spaces and properties. When non-blacks see stuff owned by others, they see it belonging to others. But when we Negroes see it, we think 'gots to have me!' So, knowing this truth about my negro nature, I will at least make an effort to be mindful and not mess with other folks." Now, if more Negroes thought that way, they would still be troublesome Negroes but they would at least gradually begin to develop a mechanism in their minds to restrain themselves from total stupidity. Truth cannot solve all problems but truth and only truth can set us free from falsehood, fantasies, and lies that plague us due to PC."
Now, I know it's not a great speech like Alec Baldwin's in GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS("Put that coffee down"), but there's enough truth there to start a real conversation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Lf8GtMe4MReplies: @Sunbeam, @William Badwhite
You really need to add paragraph breaks, and clean up that thing. Personally I think you also need to ditch any of your attempts at humor, nothing but a distraction and not funny really.
But yeah that’s it.
What we need is recognition of white privileged and the systemic abuses that People of Color face everyday
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone.
My friend's position was that "we" would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that "we" would not have been told to leave and that "we" could have even used the bathroom. This "we" is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don't want to belong to that club of "we."Replies: @black sea, @Alfa158, @John Cunningham, @ScarletNumber, @36 ulster, @Iberiano, @Buffalo Joe, @al gore rhythms, @RadicalCenter, @Alden
You have friends?
Not the first time, at that. Time to ban that sucker and let them come up with someone fresh.
Who cares?
You liked the black guy who shook down a poor white girl?
It’s called chocolate balls these days unless with trusted company
It was the Los Angeles Times, by Debra R. Brunsten of Los Angeles
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-starbucks-philadelphia-racism-20180426-story.html
Well in that case TD is Debra R. Brunsten of Los Angeles.
Still, Negro Lips are better than Negro Balls:
https://petterssonorg.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/sandor.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukr5ZwQ29EsReplies: @Pericles
Lol, they actually exist, or at least existed. However, readers may be pleased (or dejected) to note that ‘boll’ does not normally denote testicles.
I ordered a negerboll for a coffee break a while ago in a Stockholm coffee shop and of course received a lecture on the topic by the cute university student cashier. The name these days is ‘chokladboll’ or chocolate ball.
But probably not on display for public viewing. The Sandusky (Huron for "cold shower") specimens weren't.
Lay back and think of The Bay Area.
My brother used to listen to Larry King, on radio, and he related how Larry told this story about all the employess of some retail place letting themselves get fired. They all went across the street telling stories and laughing about it. Yeah, I know it's not the 1970's anymore and good jobs (even somewhat decent) jobs are scarce. However, they can't fire all of you. The first guy to take a stand is a hero and a rebel (so long as others follow ...)Replies: @Pericles, @SFG, @Anonymous
Or the good workers change jobs to something less ghetto while the checked-out workers can hand out venti lattes to the blacks all day long if that’s what corporate tells them. Just don’t ask them to care.
Starbucks should install remote controlled buzzers and spikes in all seats. When you have hogged a seat for too long without buying any coffee the buzzer goes off. If you ignore it then five minutes later the spikes start rising from the seat. This is how you get people to move along.
It’s one thing to virtue signal on a topic that has no long term impact on your business, and doesn’t exist, quit another to deal with a real problem, with real measurable metrics, that your business practices are contributing to.Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon, @SFG, @stillCARealist
The last guy to seriously attack the obesity epidemic via sugar selection was Michael Bloomberg (remember the Big Gulp law? remember how various Southern states responded by making Big Gulp laws illegal?), so I think the cultural optics are the wrong way on this one.
It’s too bad. I wonder how many red-state Americans fast food has killed.
This is most businesses, to be honest. They want to make money; treating their workers fairly is far down the list, and may even be a net negative if labor insecurity makes people work harder.
My brother used to listen to Larry King, on radio, and he related how Larry told this story about all the employess of some retail place letting themselves get fired. They all went across the street telling stories and laughing about it. Yeah, I know it's not the 1970's anymore and good jobs (even somewhat decent) jobs are scarce. However, they can't fire all of you. The first guy to take a stand is a hero and a rebel (so long as others follow ...)Replies: @Pericles, @SFG, @Anonymous
No, that’s exactly the problem. As you say, it’s not the 1970s, good jobs are scarce, and they *can* fire all of you. There’ll be enough desperate 22-year-olds with loans to pay off to replace you.
I feel bad for the White normie employees of Starbucks.
Starbucks employees should unionize.
I hope Zacklon-B is doing alright, wherever he is now.Replies: @Jack Hanson
What we need is recognition of white privileged and the systemic abuses that People of Color face everyday
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone.
My friend's position was that "we" would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that "we" would not have been told to leave and that "we" could have even used the bathroom. This "we" is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don't want to belong to that club of "we."Replies: @black sea, @Alfa158, @John Cunningham, @ScarletNumber, @36 ulster, @Iberiano, @Buffalo Joe, @al gore rhythms, @RadicalCenter, @Alden
Sad and sorry to hear of your loss, Tiny. I feel your pain.
“The mean shopping trip there might be maybe $350 or more, so customers are typically financially liquid.”
Hilarious and true. The best part, is people go to Costco expecting to spend maybe $100. But when they get to the checkout counter, its always $350. Permanent sticker shock ($350? For toilet paper, dual bottles of olive oil, bulk cereal, and 22 oz containers of smoked cheese? I thought we came here to SAVE money?)
joe
Touche’!!
“Lay back and think of how, if this harmed our faith in diversity, we’d all lose”
What we need is recognition of white privileged and the systemic abuses that People of Color face everyday
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone.
My friend's position was that "we" would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that "we" would not have been told to leave and that "we" could have even used the bathroom. This "we" is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don't want to belong to that club of "we."Replies: @black sea, @Alfa158, @John Cunningham, @ScarletNumber, @36 ulster, @Iberiano, @Buffalo Joe, @al gore rhythms, @RadicalCenter, @Alden
Tiny Duck! Holy BOT-man ! Now we know your TRUE IDENTITY !
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-starbucks-philadelphia-racism-20180426-story.html
“To the editor: I loved Erin Aubry Kaplan’s piece, “Black people were lulled into thinking Starbucks was different — a safe space. We were wrong.”
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone. My friend’s position was that “we” would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that “we” would not have been told to leave and that “we” could have even used the bathroom. This “we” is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don’t want to belong to that club of “we.”
Debra R. Brunsten, Los Angeles ”
The folks on public assistance who are shopping at Costco the day they get their money every month are probably the ones who will get themselves out of poverty—that suggests some planning and budgeting that bodes well for their future.
Feeding frenzy is not for the faint of heart.
That’s for the “executive” membership level. You can get a regular membership for $55 annually.
Tasters Choice instant, red container, is the coffee I drink most often. Purchased @ Costco. Unfortunately I lack fortitude as a parent: my young daughter is in possession of a well worn Starbucks debit card.
There are times when I have an hour to kill between meetings, and Starbucks is a convenient place to roost.
No company deserves this more than Starbucks, owned by traitor Howard Schultz, who famously told a group of shareholders that the only way for Starbucks to grow is through mass immigration to the US. This cuck is actually contemplating a run for Prez 2020. God help us all if he wins.
As to what kind of training will be provided, the speakers lined up at the training are all black, and a Jew. Guess what will get done other than a lot of empty talk? Nothing. As usual.
People need to go back to making their own coffee. Stop giving all your money to Howard Schultz the traitorous cuck out to destroy America through mass immigration.
I think the reason is because our area has a bit of a homeless problem. It's common for the homeless, most of whom are actually White, to hang out in fast food restaurants for much of the day.
However, typically McDonald's isn't too strict about enforcing the rule unless you're creating problems or somehow being a nuisance.Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @Thea, @anon, @RadicalCenter
Fast food restaurants for decades have intentionally designed their restaurants to discourage lingering (lighting, hard chairs, colors.) maybe Starbucks is too cozy.
I think all this will have effect of making white customers uncomfortable to go to Starbucks. This is probably where 80% of their revenue comes from so this virus signaling could backfire.
Right now I am pretty much a daily patron of Starbucks, and my sense is that this "training" is simply going to increase the distance between workers and upper management, and will likely significantly decrease the trust that front-line employees have in their superiors. What is actually needed is trust in the ability of individuals to make judgments on their own, but in reality, making good interpersonal judgments depends in part on relying on every piece of information one has on others, and this most certainly includes all sorts of information that the Starbucks corporation will certainly say should not be used in judging others.Replies: @anonymous, @black sea, @Achmed E. Newman, @SimplePseudonymicHandle
I’m with you right up to there. They are mass-normalizing Maoist collective re-education. Why are you patronizing them?
I think the reason is because our area has a bit of a homeless problem. It's common for the homeless, most of whom are actually White, to hang out in fast food restaurants for much of the day.
However, typically McDonald's isn't too strict about enforcing the rule unless you're creating problems or somehow being a nuisance.Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @Thea, @anon, @RadicalCenter
Don’t know if it’s still the case — a few years ago a public library in a section of DC (probably not near Stephen Miller’s condo) had large signs on the restroom doors (for which a key must be requested from the security guard):
-No shaving
-No sleeping
-No changing of clothes
-No sex
etc
The target is homeless.
Even in libraries in more upscale neighborhoods in adjacent Montgomery County, MD, homeless and/or mentally impaired spend their days — there are regulars who take regular seats, talk to themselves, sometimes shriek as whatever mental disorder afflicts them.
Rome used to have public baths.
Is there any evidence the original employee’s actions would have been different had the loiterers been white? I suppose it may not matter since she herself is guilty of being white.
Apr 23, 2018 - Centralized News in the USA
If someone is running a coffee shop and provides seating for customers, it is rude for non-customers to loiter, and even customers after finishing their drink long ago, especially when it is crowded. If someone sits for a few minutes waiting for something that is no big deal, but if employees ask them to leave, they should leave.
I am convinced that somewhere in the USA there is a secret control center where people decide what news Americans see each day. For example, last week two poorly dressed guys were loitering in a Starbucks who had not bought anything. They were asked to leave, something that happens hundreds of times a day in the USA. They claimed they were waiting for someone, and that is fine for several minutes, but not for hours. The police showed up, which was probably 20 minutes later, and they still refused to leave, so got arrested. As this happened, someone was there to record this non-event just as a "white guy" who was going to "change the lives" of the two black men showed up to ask why they were being arrested.
This was national news the next day! There is no news editor in the USA who thinks this is news, yet they all ran this story as ordered with an unproven racist angle, as though everyone has the right to loiter in Starbucks so long as they are white. It is obvious this was a staged event. The national networks did interviews and all local newscasts carried this "story" but none used google to learn the homeless are a huge problem for Starbucks. This story was selected for nationwide coverage as part of a never ending campaign to foment racial conflict among American workers and redirect anger away from the ruling class.
Another example is the recent senseless American missile attack in Syria. Sane people immediately doubted the Syrians would launch a mindless gas attack. None of the major news organizations in the nation condemned the American attack, even though it was a blatant war crime. They did not inform Americans when it was revealed the targets had been okayed by Russia and consisted of empty buildings. Moreover, when investigators arrived and determined there was no gas attack, American media refused to report this story, but did find lots of time to report on a meaningless arrest at a Starbucks.
The only interesting news from this staged event was the reaction of the spineless ultra-wealthy owners of Starbucks. They fired their hard working manager on the spot who did nothing wrong, because their workers are disposable trash. Now all Starbucks in the USA will become homeless shelters, business will fall, and workers will be laid off. Ironically, the main reason homelessness became a big problem in the USA is because of mass immigration, which Starbucks strongly supports.
https://news.starbucks.com/news/living-our-values-in-uncertain-timesReplies: @donut, @anonymous, @Alden
The timing of the elements of this event seems to indicate coordination rather than something that just happened. The goal?
There’s YouTube compilations showing newsreaders at different stations across the US delivering almost identical lines regarding some supposed story with each one trying to sound sincere and in their own voice. They’re obviously following the propaganda practice of repeating key phrases over and over again so as to make it stick in public consciousness. Again, it can’t all be by chance since there’s a pattern here. It does seem as if it emanates from some sort of centralization.
No. A family member who lives in a city in the South once told me that you can tell when the food stamp cards have been replenished by how busy it is at Sam's Club or Costco or whatever. So people on food stamps have no problem getting memberships to these places.
The effect of a members only setup is that it keeps out the people who wander in with no intention of paying for anything. Plus they check your cart against your receipt when you leave. Combine that with the size of most of the items they're selling, which don't easily fit inside a pocker or underneath a jacket and Costco must have by far the lowest shoplifting rates in the business.Replies: @Alfa158, @Anonymous, @Camlost, @stillCARealist, @Buffalo Joe
My local WalMart is starting to check receipts at the door. I talked to one manager there and he said the theft is so bad it would blow your mind. Let’s hope the checking puts a dent in that.
Although I can’t figure out exactly how and why, this whole Starbucks thing is contrived. If you wanted to solve this non-problem, I have two simple words: pay toilet.
Of course, while it’s completely unworkable and leads to other problems, it happily evokes one of Larry Burns’ best lines from the Simpsons:
“This place is emptier than a Scottish pay toilet.”
It’s one thing to virtue signal on a topic that has no long term impact on your business, and doesn’t exist, quit another to deal with a real problem, with real measurable metrics, that your business practices are contributing to.Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon, @SFG, @stillCARealist
Remember homemade coffee? It has zero calories, other than the little bit of milk and sugar you add. Lots cheaper, too.
Boycott Starbucks! it’s fattening, expensive, and left-wing. The triple crown.
Remember the YouTube clip of a black guy who, to show how absurd things are getting, went to Starbucks and demanded free coffee for being black? And the nice white girl behind the counter gave it to him?
It isn't her money at stake. She comes off looking like a sweet girl on YouTube, who at least wants to avoid conflict. The store may lose a tiny bit of money. Had she resisted, she could have her face all over the internet as a racist white girl. She could lose her job and have her life ruined. Starbucks could look bad.
She doesn't need any training.Replies: @Anonymous, @Pat Boyle
I drink a Starbucks coffee every morning. I have a Starbucks branded cappuccino maker. But actually go into a Starbucks – no thank you.
Peets sells better beans and who wants to contribute to an organization with an offensive and stupid political agenda.
The Starbucks in the village down the hill is near the garage that services my car. I used to go there when my car was in the shop for an hour or so. I think this sort of business is common with Starbucks.
I have a cappuccino machine myself at home. I have a grinder, a tamper and a knock box. If you are a regular coffee drinker surely you have a way of getting your morning fix without having to go out of the house, drive to a Starbucks, and wait in a line.
Are there people who use a Starbucks so regularly that they would carry a card?
In any case I finally had to stop trying to keep my thirty year old sports car running and buy something more sensible. Now I don’t go to my garage anymore and I don’t go to the Starbucks nearby. I’m happier.
And I say that as a cheap ass old white (depending on how you count Jews) guy who makes his own coffee and drives a really old car.
In the days when I was drinking espresso I used to go so far as to roast my own beans (that is EVEN CHEAPER). For espresso, having really fresh beans is very important (less so for drip) but roasting coffee at home is a sort of messy, smelly and time consuming (in relation to the amount of coffee you can roast at one time) process and I finally got sick of it.
Starbucks employees should unionize.Replies: @BenKenobi, @Anonymous
Speaking of, I wonder about the guy in the now famous photo.
I hope Zacklon-B is doing alright, wherever he is now.
When I go to Costco I see a disproportionate # of Asians (both S. and E.) and other immigrants (and very few blacks) in relation to the overall demographics of my area. I think these are generally people who value a high quality/price ratio rather than store atmosphere or a large selection or brand names. OTOH, very few black people are interested in showing their friends that they buy Kirkland (Costco store brand) liquor. No rapper ever raps about drinking Kirkland because you save several $/bottle over a nationally advertised brand.
Costco shoppers are more future oriented – they don’t mind tying up some cash in 30 rolls of paper towels or a year’s supply of laundry detergent if the cost per unit is lower. Costco merchandise is not usually cheap cheap but it is usually good value for the money.
(Costco by the way nets nothing on the merchandise on average – their entire net profit comes from the membership fees. If you subtract out the membership fees the company loses $).
Do all Starbucks’ employees have to attend?
Do they get lost tip compensation?
In Manhattan and some other services, a code is printed on you receipt to access the restroom. Very common and maybe a good solution to Starbucks dilemma.
I don’t know, SFG. To me, it’s really just a matter of young people not knowing how to raise hell anymore. If one guys says the equivalent of “f_k this s__t” and walks out, and so do the other 4 people in the store, and they meet across the street at the ice cream shop (per Larry King story), it’s going to really mess up the day for the boss and probably a few weeks. Yes, he will be able to find others, but will he not be worried about how these new employees will act “next time”?
I mean, a job’s a job, but to me these baristas and others who work in and hang out in the coffee shops aren’t on much a career path, and I think most just hope their school loans will be forgiven or written off eventually. How else could they possibly get ahead and form a family? The young people now just don’t have very much to lose. They could spend their time wisely, were they wise, that is, and do the hell-raising that the older folks can’t do anymore.
I wasn’t the type, but even in the recent past, I regret that I didn’t take the opportunity to tell a few (more) people off, and raise more hell in the workplace. It would not have changed my life for the worse, as this bridge-burning thing is only a problem when you run into the scourge of HR, but they don’t work in small business.
I’m not in these young people’s precarious positions though, SFG, so I dunno what I’d do. I can assure you I’d never be that one guy in the picture. I could tell you a couple of “customer service failure” stories that ended up being great memories!
I have a cappuccino machine myself at home. I have a grinder, a tamper and a knock box. If you are a regular coffee drinker surely you have a way of getting your morning fix without having to go out of the house, drive to a Starbucks, and wait in a line.
Are there people who use a Starbucks so regularly that they would carry a card?
In any case I finally had to stop trying to keep my thirty year old sports car running and buy something more sensible. Now I don't go to my garage anymore and I don't go to the Starbucks nearby. I'm happier.Replies: @Jack D
Cheap ass old white guys who drive 30 year old cars and make their own coffee at home are not Starbucks target market. They would go broke if they had to depend on guys like you as would half the businesses in America. This is one of the reasons why corporate America wishes that you would just hurry up and die already.
And I say that as a cheap ass old white (depending on how you count Jews) guy who makes his own coffee and drives a really old car.
In the days when I was drinking espresso I used to go so far as to roast my own beans (that is EVEN CHEAPER). For espresso, having really fresh beans is very important (less so for drip) but roasting coffee at home is a sort of messy, smelly and time consuming (in relation to the amount of coffee you can roast at one time) process and I finally got sick of it.
Low trust society will demand that free access will be replaced with "members only clubs" like Costco or AmazonGO, where you have to check in with credentials or some electronic app. Virtual bouncers or turnstiles can keep out the riffraff, moochers and troublemakers.
http://www.foodservicedirector.com/sites/default/files/styles/enhanced_slideshow/public/amazon-go-turnstile.jpg?itok=ykyvDLAf
They won't want to make personnel have to enter direct confrontations with rule breakers.
It's a no win proposition.Replies: @JMcG
That doesn’t seem to work in the NYC subway stations. They just jump the turnstiles. I was in Fairmount Park in Philadelphia a couple of weeks ago. There were dozens of “youths” riding dirt bikes and quads across fields and on the streets. They would put a couple of kids in an intersection to block traffic and the horde would ride through. This went on yards from the police who were staffing the event I was attending. The police were making damn sure everyone paid to park.
Anarchotyranny is what it is.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/20/14986640/china-toilet-paper-theft-facial-recognition-machineReplies: @TheBoom, @Achmed E. Newman
Mr. Jones, there is a reason for this, in addition to having extremely poor and/or untrustworthy people. China has had way too many people for way too long (their population in the mid-1800’s was more than than America’s present population!). The big lumber and pulp wood was cut down for so many years, I think their forests will still take many years to recover. Hence, people are very careful with paper products over there. Even at a restaurant, the napkins, which are thinner than all get-out, cost money. It wasn’t much, the equivalent of 15 cents for a small (2″ x 2.5″ x 1/4″) pack, but it kept people from wasting paper.
What we need is recognition of white privileged and the systemic abuses that People of Color face everyday
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone.
My friend's position was that "we" would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that "we" would not have been told to leave and that "we" could have even used the bathroom. This "we" is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don't want to belong to that club of "we."Replies: @black sea, @Alfa158, @John Cunningham, @ScarletNumber, @36 ulster, @Iberiano, @Buffalo Joe, @al gore rhythms, @RadicalCenter, @Alden
There was a story on SF Gate and Berkeleyside about a shop, Elmwood Café, that shuttered their doors after a black man, Keamu Bell, told how three years ago he was “profiled” at the Café. I won’t go into details, but too many POC commenters told of the “daily indignities” they endure. This ties in with your “every day” comment and I call BS.
Look at Schultz’s philanthropic activity to see where his real interests lie. Too many who make it in business, large and small, tend to take their eyes off the ball and start to do things that they want done without taking the business into account.
The comment that Michael Jordan supposedly made about Republicans wearing sneakers, too, is lost on people like Schultz.
It’s also the Republican Party and Conservatism, Inc. They’re in business to service big business, and the capital they have to expend toward that goal is the votes and interests of the majority of their voters. They toss their voters under the bus anytime the interests of those voters comes in conflict with the interests of big business, or whenever the voters interests come under the disapproval of the PC establishment. They don’t pay any price for relentlessly screwing their voters because those voters have no where else to turn. Everything is sacrificed for a smooth business atmosphere regardless of the cost to the nation, their voters, conservatism, or even their own political party in the long run. Quarterly statement uber alles.
Peets sells better beans and who wants to contribute to an organization with an offensive and stupid political agenda.Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
Starbucks coffee is horrible.
I hope Zacklon-B is doing alright, wherever he is now.Replies: @Jack Hanson
He’s getting ready to star in his own podcast over at The Right Stuff: “Flat White: I Survived Starcucks”.
Makes more sense than 'Diversity Training'.
Truth Training sessions would include people trained to be True Race-ists laying it all out straight. For example, all the workers and managers would be assembled and be made to listen to speech and instructions.
It might go like this:
"Okay, this problem about Diversity is not about Hindus, Asians, Mexicans, Homos, white hipsters, or Muslims... unless it's the rare one that like to blow up stuff. No, on a day-to-day basis, the problem of Diversity is about blacks. Most Starbucks or any other franchise don't have problems with most groups. Sure, all groups get out of order sometimes, but it's the blacks who make the most trouble. Whoever heard of Swedish Americans or Japanese-Americans having a riot at Chuck E Cheese? Usually, it's the Negroes who be doing that stuff. So, let's not pretend the problem in America is like in DO THE RIGHT THING that would have you believe that all these different groups in NY can't stand each other. In fact, even if they don't much like each other, they get along. The problem is with blacks.
It's whites vs black, Jews vs black, browns vs blacks, yellows vs blacks, blacks vs blacks, black men vs black men,, etc. And blacks also cause the most problem for homos and trannies. It's like black kids are suspended more in school. It's not because the teachers are 'racist'. In many of these schools, the principals and teachers are either black or dye-in-wood libby-dibs. So, let's have some straight talk, like in the scene in THE WANDERERS between the greasers and the brothas. The problem isn't so much Diversity per se as blacks. Look at knockout games. Blacks. Look at flashmob robbery. Blacks. Look at rape stats. Blacks. Look at gun violence. Blacks. So, there is no need to drag in latinos or homos or Jews into this debate. Sure, they want to be included in the discussion involving Negrolatry. What is Negrolatry? According to John Derbyshire, it is treating Negroes as sacred objects no matter what they do. Because Negroes be sacred, we are to believe that any altercation involving blacks must be the fault of whites or non-blacks or the system. It's never the fault of holy blacks. Apparently, blacks are like that mountain-sized negro in GREEN MILE who loves the little white mouse. We are supposed to hear MLK bellowing from the mouth of every Negro. But let's have some real talk. Sure, slavery happened and there was Jim Crow. But that is not the reason why blacks cause so much trouble. It's due to evolution. Blacks just evolved to let the good times roll. Now, letting the good times roll is good at most times but not at the expense of other people. So, just as other groups must be mindful of Negroes, Negroes gotta be mindful of others. But too many Negroes only be mindful of theyselves and no one else. This is why black men and black women be talking shi* to each other all the time. Why do blacks act this way? It's genetics. Blacks evolved in warrior-hunter worlds with lots of malaria and hippos, and that drove them a bit nuts. Human species can roughly be divided into Sub-Saharan blacks and everyone else... which is why in every city, most of the problem is between black and non-black. I mean even Jews and Muslims in NY get along better than Jews and blacks or Muslims and blacks. Why is that? Negroes lack mindfulness and wanna let the good times roll at the expense of everyone else. Also, Negroes are more muscular and more aggressive. This means they feel arrogance when it comes to other races. They think, 'We be badass like Mike Tyson and kick your ass, so you better not tell us what to do, sheeeeeiiiit.' So, they feel contempt toward other races. Notice that black guys call white men 'white boys'. Why is that? It's because Jack Johnson and Muhammad Ali beat up all them 'white boys'. Also, blacks in Africa evolved to favor the jive-and-shuck mofo. The black guy who danced and hollered the most got the most love and had the most kids. So, black DNA is all about acting like a rapper. This may be fun on TV but it's a big headache in reality where people must get along together. But then, because blacks are so tough in sports and loud in music, many non-blacks worship blacks as godlike pop idol-race that must be revered. So, even when blacks act bad, it's like they have a right to be badass, and it is our duty to play along. Another issue is IQ. Even though blacks are bigger and stronger, they tend to be lower in IQ and have childlike emotions. So, a lot of white folks see blacks as 'children who can beat you up'. There is combination of patronizing condescension and abject fear. Many whites feel, "we have to treat the Negro differently because he just doesn't get what we get and can't live up to our standards of conduct" on the one hand, and on the other hand, "If we don't do like the Negro says, he might go crazy and act like Mike Tyson who bit off Holyfield's ear or, worse, OJ Simpson." Indeed, the Diversity Training is really about 'how best to handle blacks who are like children who can beat you up.' What we really need is Negro Training. If Negroes were trained to act and behave better, we'd have far less trouble. And in the past, there used to be some Negro training. So, blacks were expected to be a 'credit to their race'. But expecting blacks to improve their behavior got associated with real bigotry and discrimination in the past. So, the baby got thrown out with the bathwater. Also, as blacks realized they can knock out white boy in boxing and sports, they didn't want to hear no advice from the weaker race. Having warrior DNA, blacks are naturally allergic to respecting any people who be weaker or slower. But if most Negroes were like Gary Coleman or Emmanuel Lewis, they might respect the white man more even if there had been slavery and Jim Crow because the little negro would at least respect the manhood of whitey. Now, there is no permanent solution to the race problem unless we can genetically engineer all future Negros to be like Gary Coleman or Emmanuel Lewis. For the time being, there is only the truth. And if we address this truth, we can get along better. So, if you're white barista dealing with a Negro, you must tell yourself, "Negroes are more aggressive, arrogant, less intelligent, and less introspective. Negroes disrespect whitey as the weaker race and have this nasty attitude. Therefore, I shouldn't expect Negroes to live up to standards of normal conduct. So, if a Negro breaks rules, just let him be unless it really gets out of hand because, after all, he is a Negro." With such attitude, you will tolerate Negro stupidity better and avoid incidents. Now, if you're a Negro, you should always remind yourself when you enter a business or building, "I'm a Negro with a troublesome inheritance of being troublesome. My ancestors evolved this way because there were too many malarial mosquitoes, hippos and angry elephants, mean lions and hyenas, and other equally warrior-like Negroes. My DNA is adapted to running around and chucking spears at animals and hollering and walloping, and this is problematic in a civilized setting where people must learn to be mindful and respectful of other people's spaces and properties. When non-blacks see stuff owned by others, they see it belonging to others. But when we Negroes see it, we think 'gots to have me!' So, knowing this truth about my negro nature, I will at least make an effort to be mindful and not mess with other folks." Now, if more Negroes thought that way, they would still be troublesome Negroes but they would at least gradually begin to develop a mechanism in their minds to restrain themselves from total stupidity. Truth cannot solve all problems but truth and only truth can set us free from falsehood, fantasies, and lies that plague us due to PC."
Now, I know it's not a great speech like Alec Baldwin's in GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS("Put that coffee down"), but there's enough truth there to start a real conversation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Lf8GtMe4MReplies: @Sunbeam, @William Badwhite
I think Truth can solve at least some of the problems. He’s good at making up silly names for people for example. Truth, do you agree with this? Why haven’t you weighed on Starbucks-as-Selma?
#622, you’re correct on that pricing. But with that Executive card comes a 2% discount/rebate on purchases. I come out at least a little ahead of “free” Costco membership each year. While I find Costco prices on average to be roughly similar to those of other stores; for me it’s just easier to buy in bulk, less often. Never encountered a single panhandler inside a Costco nor its parking lots.
Tasters Choice instant, red container, is the coffee I drink most often. Purchased @ Costco. Unfortunately I lack fortitude as a parent: my young daughter is in possession of a well worn Starbucks debit card.
Not sure why my comment was not published, as I did not post anything personal or not already posted. Basically, Tiny Duck’s comment was already posted, word for word, on an LA Times story, and it had a name attached to it. So either Tiny is a bot, someone who copied what someone else wrote, or the person who wrote that comment at the LA Times. Same exact comment.
Here is the post made a few days ago on LA Times…note the wording is the same as Tiny Ducks.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-starbucks-philadelphia-racism-20180426-story.html
“To the editor: I loved Erin Aubry Kaplan’s piece, “Black people were lulled into thinking Starbucks was different — a safe space. We were wrong.”
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone. My friend’s position was that “we” would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that “we” would not have been told to leave and that “we” could have even used the bathroom. This “we” is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don’t want to belong to that club of “we.”
Debra R. Brunsten, Los Angeles”
https://www.voanews.com/a/robot-baristas-austin-texas/4363752.html
Should be an exciting primaryin 2020: Howard , Zuck and maybe Jeff from the corporate world. Contending with Bernie, Elizabeth, Kamala and Cory from the FSA while the conventional hacks like Joe hair plugs, Murphy and Creepy Kaine weigh in.
@10 Steve Sailer: “It costs $110 per year to be allowed into Costco warehouse stores. It’s a really successful business model.”
I have friends who belong to Costco here in Texas. They said it’s wall-to-wall Indians. Why on earth would I pay for that when merely going out of my house gets me that for free? I’ve also never set foot in a Starbucks and never will. Whatever the cause du jour is, I will not support it, will not ‘donate’ a dollar, and will not grace any favored location with my patronage. It’s one of the few ways I have to say FU to the whole rotten system.
Now I do donate pennies – by taping them to whatever junk repuke survey we get to add weight and thus cost, and return them in the postage-paid envelopes. It’s actually been a few months since I got any crap from the Heritage Foundation, so perhaps it finally worked. Noticed on tv at the gym they have a new magic Negress president – because DR3 of course. I hate repukes.
175,000 Racists Can’t Be Wrong.
I suspect it’s a combo of reasonable price and quality (even compared to Target), quick checkout and time savings from not having to shop as frequently.
Why? The staff are laser-focused and efficient as all Hell. Two people staffing each register, one scanning your stuff and the other packing it back into the boxes, bags, and cart, with every register actually being used.
Whereas the other guys have three or four (if you are lucky!) of their twenty registers staffed, with maybe one or two baggers running around frazzled to keep up with multiple cashiers, and all of these staff often troglodytes: baffled about what an avocado's PLU should be, demanding a price check on this or that (which admittedly goes to the incompetency of the stockers and managers of the inventory, not the cashier, but represents incompetence al the same!); silly-dallying and yammering with each other or the customers (one can be polite and even friendly without being slow or holding things up to yammer).
The failure to use the registers even when the store is busy (except perhaps around Thanksgiving for grocers or Christmas for others) is especially retarded because those point-of-sale systems are expensive as Hell – if you're only ever gonna use four of the damned things at once why waste money installing twenty in every store?!).
Whatever its demerits, Costco's ostensibly impressive success is really all down to only the barest of common sense (don't hire idiots; don't waste resources; schedule, staff, and work efficiently, etc.) – none of it represents any brilliant insight on the order of interchangeable parts or the assembly line. The management seem to have just one day decided "Say, let's open a store and not operate it like complete jackasses; I bet customers would lie jag and we'd be wildly successful." It's really must not be underestimated how powerful is inertia and how incompetent most enterprises are.Replies: @Autochthon, @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @Anonymous
Rest assured that when push comes to shoves any conscientious Starbucks workers will be thrown under the boss by their virtuous Starbucks overlords!Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
Under the boss? Hmm, that might raise #metoo issues for Starbucks.
If it’s not one thing, it’s another.
“My feeling is that despite a month of preparation, the training day will simply be virtue signaling, a lot of verbiage that Starbucks doesn’t mind leaking out, and no addressing of the hard questions of how to deal with on-the-ground scenarios. ”
Sounds a lot like modern police training.
Anyway, there will be no set rules. That allows Starbucks to avoid any responsibility when the crap hits the mat.
I have a Starbucks machine and a Starbucks cup but I don’t actually make my cappuccinos using Starbucks beans.
What we need is recognition of white privileged and the systemic abuses that People of Color face everyday
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone.
My friend's position was that "we" would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that "we" would not have been told to leave and that "we" could have even used the bathroom. This "we" is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don't want to belong to that club of "we."Replies: @black sea, @Alfa158, @John Cunningham, @ScarletNumber, @36 ulster, @Iberiano, @Buffalo Joe, @al gore rhythms, @RadicalCenter, @Alden
“…the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested.”
You should be writing scripts for CNN.
My brother used to listen to Larry King, on radio, and he related how Larry told this story about all the employess of some retail place letting themselves get fired. They all went across the street telling stories and laughing about it. Yeah, I know it's not the 1970's anymore and good jobs (even somewhat decent) jobs are scarce. However, they can't fire all of you. The first guy to take a stand is a hero and a rebel (so long as others follow ...)Replies: @Pericles, @SFG, @Anonymous
There are somewhere around 8000 stores involved, with plenty of time for employees to prepare. I imagine the next day will see quite a lot of tweets, youtube videos, etc complaining about, or mocking, what happens there.
I don’t believe you. I think that you secretly drink Starbuck’s coffee.
Another name for robot is “vending machine”. Why would you pay Starbucks prices for a cup of coffee made by a vending machine?
Maybe somebody has brought this up but NYC had a "waiterless" restaurant that worked like a huge vending machine (human staff in the back of course). I'm surprised I hadn't heard anyone suggest simply removing the human interaction and have coin-unlocked doors. Probably there is a normie belief that human interaction is something good. A local competitor to Starbucks puts a lot of emphasis on its human coffee fetchers in pronotional material, clearly implying that they are more friendly than those at Starbucks.Replies: @Steve Sailer
I have friends who belong to Costco here in Texas. They said it's wall-to-wall Indians. Why on earth would I pay for that when merely going out of my house gets me that for free? I've also never set foot in a Starbucks and never will. Whatever the cause du jour is, I will not support it, will not 'donate' a dollar, and will not grace any favored location with my patronage. It's one of the few ways I have to say FU to the whole rotten system.
Now I do donate pennies - by taping them to whatever junk repuke survey we get to add weight and thus cost, and return them in the postage-paid envelopes. It's actually been a few months since I got any crap from the Heritage Foundation, so perhaps it finally worked. Noticed on tv at the gym they have a new magic Negress president - because DR3 of course. I hate repukes.Replies: @Jack D
I don’t know why subcontinentals like Costco but they do. They also all drive Hondas – I don’t understand that either. Maybe it’s like the gas stations – once upon a time one Indian guy randomly bought a gas station and then he brought his cousin over and his cousin brought his cousin and so on. If the first guy had bought a dry cleaners then they would all be Indian now but instead dry cleaners are Korean and nail salons are Vietnamese for the same reason.
-No sleeping
-No changing of clothes
-No sex etcThe target is homeless.Even in libraries in more upscale neighborhoods in adjacent Montgomery County, MD, homeless and/or mentally impaired spend their days -- there are regulars who take regular seats, talk to themselves, sometimes shriek as whatever mental disorder afflicts them.Rome used to have public baths.Replies: @prosa123
Homeless shelter policies are in part to blame for the way homeless people congregate in libraries and Starbucks and other public/semi-public locations. As a general rule, shelters close during the day, turning out their residents in the morning and allowing them back in the late afternoon. While ostensibly this is for “cleaning,” the real reason is that the shelter operators want the people to look for jobs during the day. In theory a sensible concept, however an increasingly obsolete one now that the great majority of jobs require online applications. It would make far more sense for shelters to have dayrooms, with free computer access, possibility job/addiction counseling, and other services.
Costco most decidedly do not “accept only cash or their own credit card.” I don’t even have or use credit cards, and I shop there all the time using my credit union’s debit card.
Funny thing about saving time is that despite a far greater quantity of customers checking out at any given time and longer queues than a typical retailer (Target, Wal-Mart, and even many grocers or drugstores) one can usually get through the line at Costco more quickly!
Why? The staff are laser-focused and efficient as all Hell. Two people staffing each register, one scanning your stuff and the other packing it back into the boxes, bags, and cart, with every register actually being used.
Whereas the other guys have three or four (if you are lucky!) of their twenty registers staffed, with maybe one or two baggers running around frazzled to keep up with multiple cashiers, and all of these staff often troglodytes: baffled about what an avocado’s PLU should be, demanding a price check on this or that (which admittedly goes to the incompetency of the stockers and managers of the inventory, not the cashier, but represents incompetence al the same!); silly-dallying and yammering with each other or the customers (one can be polite and even friendly without being slow or holding things up to yammer).
The failure to use the registers even when the store is busy (except perhaps around Thanksgiving for grocers or Christmas for others) is especially retarded because those point-of-sale systems are expensive as Hell – if you’re only ever gonna use four of the damned things at once why waste money installing twenty in every store?!).
Whatever its demerits, Costco’s ostensibly impressive success is really all down to only the barest of common sense (don’t hire idiots; don’t waste resources; schedule, staff, and work efficiently, etc.) – none of it represents any brilliant insight on the order of interchangeable parts or the assembly line. The management seem to have just one day decided “Say, let’s open a store and not operate it like complete jackasses; I bet customers would lie jag and we’d be wildly successful.” It’s really must not be underestimated how powerful is inertia and how incompetent most enterprises are.
(None of these techniques work with vibrant employees, however.)
Why? The staff are laser-focused and efficient as all Hell. Two people staffing each register, one scanning your stuff and the other packing it back into the boxes, bags, and cart, with every register actually being used.
Whereas the other guys have three or four (if you are lucky!) of their twenty registers staffed, with maybe one or two baggers running around frazzled to keep up with multiple cashiers, and all of these staff often troglodytes: baffled about what an avocado's PLU should be, demanding a price check on this or that (which admittedly goes to the incompetency of the stockers and managers of the inventory, not the cashier, but represents incompetence al the same!); silly-dallying and yammering with each other or the customers (one can be polite and even friendly without being slow or holding things up to yammer).
The failure to use the registers even when the store is busy (except perhaps around Thanksgiving for grocers or Christmas for others) is especially retarded because those point-of-sale systems are expensive as Hell – if you're only ever gonna use four of the damned things at once why waste money installing twenty in every store?!).
Whatever its demerits, Costco's ostensibly impressive success is really all down to only the barest of common sense (don't hire idiots; don't waste resources; schedule, staff, and work efficiently, etc.) – none of it represents any brilliant insight on the order of interchangeable parts or the assembly line. The management seem to have just one day decided "Say, let's open a store and not operate it like complete jackasses; I bet customers would lie jag and we'd be wildly successful." It's really must not be underestimated how powerful is inertia and how incompetent most enterprises are.Replies: @Autochthon, @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @Anonymous
“Lie jag” isn’t of course shitty phone-ese for “like that.”
Oh, I don’t know: job addiction seems unlikely to be a problem for homeless people….
Anonymous, I think Chucky Cheese holds the record for most vibrant brawls.
No. A family member who lives in a city in the South once told me that you can tell when the food stamp cards have been replenished by how busy it is at Sam's Club or Costco or whatever. So people on food stamps have no problem getting memberships to these places.
The effect of a members only setup is that it keeps out the people who wander in with no intention of paying for anything. Plus they check your cart against your receipt when you leave. Combine that with the size of most of the items they're selling, which don't easily fit inside a pocker or underneath a jacket and Costco must have by far the lowest shoplifting rates in the business.Replies: @Alfa158, @Anonymous, @Camlost, @stillCARealist, @Buffalo Joe
Wilkey, I couldn’t find scissors at our Dollar General and when I asked they told me they keep them behind the counter. It seems people used the display scissors to cut open those hard to tear plastic clam boxes and steal razors etc. But on the bright side I don’t have to pay through a hole in bullet proof glass.
Nail salons are also Vietnamese in the UK. While the chaps are tending illegal cannabis crops, the ladies do nails.
Boom, My wife and I volunteer at a inner city soup kitchen. When we let the public in to eat, we lock the restrooms. Sadly, the clean up and opportunity for illicit use requires us to do that.
It's too bad. I wonder how many red-state Americans fast food has killed.Replies: @Buffalo Joe
SFG, Chicago/Cook County passed a sugar tax on most sweetened beverages and then quickly added the proposed $200 million in new tax revenue to their already bloated budget. They have since revoked the tax after finding that most shoppers would simply shop outside of Cook County for all their groceries. So they lost tax revenue across the board.
Jack, I remember the coffee vending machines in the steel mills. Drop your quarter in, and the machine dispensed the coffee, the sugar and the cream…and then dropped the cup.
Why? The staff are laser-focused and efficient as all Hell. Two people staffing each register, one scanning your stuff and the other packing it back into the boxes, bags, and cart, with every register actually being used.
Whereas the other guys have three or four (if you are lucky!) of their twenty registers staffed, with maybe one or two baggers running around frazzled to keep up with multiple cashiers, and all of these staff often troglodytes: baffled about what an avocado's PLU should be, demanding a price check on this or that (which admittedly goes to the incompetency of the stockers and managers of the inventory, not the cashier, but represents incompetence al the same!); silly-dallying and yammering with each other or the customers (one can be polite and even friendly without being slow or holding things up to yammer).
The failure to use the registers even when the store is busy (except perhaps around Thanksgiving for grocers or Christmas for others) is especially retarded because those point-of-sale systems are expensive as Hell – if you're only ever gonna use four of the damned things at once why waste money installing twenty in every store?!).
Whatever its demerits, Costco's ostensibly impressive success is really all down to only the barest of common sense (don't hire idiots; don't waste resources; schedule, staff, and work efficiently, etc.) – none of it represents any brilliant insight on the order of interchangeable parts or the assembly line. The management seem to have just one day decided "Say, let's open a store and not operate it like complete jackasses; I bet customers would lie jag and we'd be wildly successful." It's really must not be underestimated how powerful is inertia and how incompetent most enterprises are.Replies: @Autochthon, @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @Anonymous
Supermarkets were a pretty lazy industry in the 1970-80s. Then the scanner data revolution opened up the door for aggressive outsiders like Walmart and Costco to put a big dent in the long cozy grocery retailing business.
I ordered a negerboll for a coffee break a while ago in a Stockholm coffee shop and of course received a lecture on the topic by the cute university student cashier. The name these days is 'chokladboll' or chocolate ball.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
The most renowned set of chocolate balls in America will soon be housed in a public facility somewhere in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
But probably not on display for public viewing. The Sandusky (Huron for “cold shower”) specimens weren’t.
They already have higher-end vending machines that can do complex work and crank out suprisingly decent products; what they will never have is a vending machine that can survive diversity.
Maybe somebody has brought this up but NYC had a “waiterless” restaurant that worked like a huge vending machine (human staff in the back of course). I’m surprised I hadn’t heard anyone suggest simply removing the human interaction and have coin-unlocked doors. Probably there is a normie belief that human interaction is something good. A local competitor to Starbucks puts a lot of emphasis on its human coffee fetchers in pronotional material, clearly implying that they are more friendly than those at Starbucks.
The old guard must have been George H W Bush types.
Say, has Naples, Florida, ever made a dent in its severe labor shortage in supermarkets? They’ve always had plenty of jobs on offer, but nobody who took them could afford to live within 50 miles of the place. It’s kind of a hybrid of Palm Beach and Lancaster, Cal.
At least Alaskan canneries and North Dakota extractivities put you up if you work for them.
Maybe somebody has brought this up but NYC had a "waiterless" restaurant that worked like a huge vending machine (human staff in the back of course). I'm surprised I hadn't heard anyone suggest simply removing the human interaction and have coin-unlocked doors. Probably there is a normie belief that human interaction is something good. A local competitor to Starbucks puts a lot of emphasis on its human coffee fetchers in pronotional material, clearly implying that they are more friendly than those at Starbucks.Replies: @Steve Sailer
There were about 40 Automats in NYC in the postwar era. They tended to be featured in romantic comedies about young working women, like Doris Day goes to the Automat for lunch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automat#United_States
Come to my house. Pull my teeth. Extract my DNA. Your good opinion of me is worth more than I can say.
The Cambodian penchant for donut shops is just random historical contingency. A Cambodian refugee got a management trainee job with Duncan Donuts around 1975. He turned out to be really good at running donut shops and was soon importing relatives and countrymen to work for him. Also, became famous among Cambodians in the US and inspired others to get into that business.
There’s only one donut shop in Phnom Penh.
Other possible examples of "random historical contingency": Greek diners and Patel motels (hot-sheet and other type)?
Here's the story of Ted Ngoy and his pink donut boxes:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-pink-doughnut-boxes-20170525-htmlstory.html
In my hometown Boston suburb, second generation Greeks ran all the Dunkin' Donuts. Ten years after high school, an under-performing classmate with a drug habit eventually cleaned up and became a partner in several DDs and a millionaire in his 30s.
Steve,
Other possible examples of “random historical contingency”: Greek diners and Patel motels (hot-sheet and other type)?
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How often were they accused of racism?
What we need is recognition of white privileged and the systemic abuses that People of Color face everyday
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone.
My friend's position was that "we" would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that "we" would not have been told to leave and that "we" could have even used the bathroom. This "we" is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don't want to belong to that club of "we."Replies: @black sea, @Alfa158, @John Cunningham, @ScarletNumber, @36 ulster, @Iberiano, @Buffalo Joe, @al gore rhythms, @RadicalCenter, @Alden
Don’t worry, homey, we don’t want you in the club either.
By the way, you must be a lot of fun on a day out shopping.
Tschues, Schatzi 😉
I think the reason is because our area has a bit of a homeless problem. It's common for the homeless, most of whom are actually White, to hang out in fast food restaurants for much of the day.
However, typically McDonald's isn't too strict about enforcing the rule unless you're creating problems or somehow being a nuisance.Replies: @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @Thea, @anon, @RadicalCenter
Even your homeless people are white? I’m moving there.
This makes it easy to wander in without a card. Just wait for a “family” that you could be a member of.
You can fill up on samples and then top it off with a hot dog or some pizza on the way out. You can’t buy anything without a card though.
Costco's hot dogs are quite good, by hot dog standards. The Polish sausages were better but they have been discontinued.
The best store hot dogs were Woolworth's, but the last Woolworth's shut down 21 years ago.Replies: @ScarletNumber
In DFW they are run by Koreans. Maybe there was a mixed marriage that resulted in a Korean branch?
Here’s the story of Ted Ngoy and his pink donut boxes:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-pink-doughnut-boxes-20170525-htmlstory.html
Why? The staff are laser-focused and efficient as all Hell. Two people staffing each register, one scanning your stuff and the other packing it back into the boxes, bags, and cart, with every register actually being used.
Whereas the other guys have three or four (if you are lucky!) of their twenty registers staffed, with maybe one or two baggers running around frazzled to keep up with multiple cashiers, and all of these staff often troglodytes: baffled about what an avocado's PLU should be, demanding a price check on this or that (which admittedly goes to the incompetency of the stockers and managers of the inventory, not the cashier, but represents incompetence al the same!); silly-dallying and yammering with each other or the customers (one can be polite and even friendly without being slow or holding things up to yammer).
The failure to use the registers even when the store is busy (except perhaps around Thanksgiving for grocers or Christmas for others) is especially retarded because those point-of-sale systems are expensive as Hell – if you're only ever gonna use four of the damned things at once why waste money installing twenty in every store?!).
Whatever its demerits, Costco's ostensibly impressive success is really all down to only the barest of common sense (don't hire idiots; don't waste resources; schedule, staff, and work efficiently, etc.) – none of it represents any brilliant insight on the order of interchangeable parts or the assembly line. The management seem to have just one day decided "Say, let's open a store and not operate it like complete jackasses; I bet customers would lie jag and we'd be wildly successful." It's really must not be underestimated how powerful is inertia and how incompetent most enterprises are.Replies: @Autochthon, @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @Anonymous
I’ve found that simply asking the staff why more registers aren’t open will usually remedy things. Someone gets on the honker and another checker appears. Or ask where the manager is and wander off looking for him, leaving your full cart in line unattended … and then wander out the door if you cannot find the manager.
(None of these techniques work with vibrant employees, however.)
In a high trust society, places like Starbucks, McDonald’s, Burger King, etc. can work awfully well. I grew up in a 95%+ white suburban community. The vagrancy/loitering laws which protected these places never needed to be enforced. As such, I actually remember the local McDonald’s being a lovely place. It was walking distance from my home and it was safe, clean, cheap and fun. This was during the late 1980s. That McDonald’s is still there but the building has undergone several corporate makeovers since then transforming the place into a soulless edifice. The community is now far too atomized to give the local businesses any sort of a “feel” to them anymore.
Why? The staff are laser-focused and efficient as all Hell. Two people staffing each register, one scanning your stuff and the other packing it back into the boxes, bags, and cart, with every register actually being used.
Whereas the other guys have three or four (if you are lucky!) of their twenty registers staffed, with maybe one or two baggers running around frazzled to keep up with multiple cashiers, and all of these staff often troglodytes: baffled about what an avocado's PLU should be, demanding a price check on this or that (which admittedly goes to the incompetency of the stockers and managers of the inventory, not the cashier, but represents incompetence al the same!); silly-dallying and yammering with each other or the customers (one can be polite and even friendly without being slow or holding things up to yammer).
The failure to use the registers even when the store is busy (except perhaps around Thanksgiving for grocers or Christmas for others) is especially retarded because those point-of-sale systems are expensive as Hell – if you're only ever gonna use four of the damned things at once why waste money installing twenty in every store?!).
Whatever its demerits, Costco's ostensibly impressive success is really all down to only the barest of common sense (don't hire idiots; don't waste resources; schedule, staff, and work efficiently, etc.) – none of it represents any brilliant insight on the order of interchangeable parts or the assembly line. The management seem to have just one day decided "Say, let's open a store and not operate it like complete jackasses; I bet customers would lie jag and we'd be wildly successful." It's really must not be underestimated how powerful is inertia and how incompetent most enterprises are.Replies: @Autochthon, @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @Anonymous
A good way to ensure that employees are on the ball is to get rid of the automatic changing registers and make the checkers make change themselves, using their heads. And hire based on that being a necessary skill, so have an initial timed test where the applicant has to give answers to various change-making situations, including where the customer gives you various coins. This would weed out the idiot applicants, although there might be a disparate impact problem. I think the efficiency of the more on-the-ball staff would outweigh the slowdown of not having the automated registers.
You could also have percentage discounts, such as for end-of-day bread, and make the cashiers figure that out in their heads … and test for it.
Of course, the days of cash money are numbered.
Starbucks employees should unionize.Replies: @BenKenobi, @Anonymous
If cuckservatives weren’t stupid they’d get someone to become a Teamsters union organizer and get Starbucks employees to become Teamsters. Opposing this would require Schultz to burn a lot of his leftist political capital and acquiescing would reduce his margins substantially. And it would fill the Teamster ranks with, well, what more can I say? That last part is admittedly a double edged sword…..for us.
You can fill up on samples and then top it off with a hot dog or some pizza on the way out. You can't buy anything without a card though.Replies: @Anonymous
You don’t need a card to get to the snack bar and from there you can walk right through into the store. You just can’t buy anything without a card, unless you have a friend who will let you come in as a guest. Loading up on samples is easy, but in most towns the tonier supermarkets have better ones.
Costco’s hot dogs are quite good, by hot dog standards. The Polish sausages were better but they have been discontinued.
The best store hot dogs were Woolworth’s, but the last Woolworth’s shut down 21 years ago.
Thanks, that’s the classic reference. That scene might be the high point of the 20th Century American entertainment industry.
I do like him, because if you look into it, it was all acting, and he was to a considerable extent exposing the absurdity of the people who take that sort of thing seriously. His behavior was utterly at odds with that of the dude with the megaphone yelling at barista “Zack”. The girl was naive, perhaps, but she was none the worse. Her common decency exposes the absurdity of the idea that “white” Starbucks employees are somehow afflicted with the plague of white privilege or whatever.
Good question. Life is complex. It is a place to go and get work done. I like the local employees, I like some of the regulars (even if I don’t know most of them well), and the Starbucks card turns out to be a pretty good deal if you aren’t into all the fancy drinks.
The Cambodian penchant for donut shops is just random historical contingency.
In my hometown Boston suburb, second generation Greeks ran all the Dunkin’ Donuts. Ten years after high school, an under-performing classmate with a drug habit eventually cleaned up and became a partner in several DDs and a millionaire in his 30s.
Costco's hot dogs are quite good, by hot dog standards. The Polish sausages were better but they have been discontinued.
The best store hot dogs were Woolworth's, but the last Woolworth's shut down 21 years ago.Replies: @ScarletNumber
The Italian-sausage sandwiches are excellent and under $3.
Hilarious and true. The best part, is people go to Costco expecting to spend maybe $100. But when they get to the checkout counter, its always $350. Permanent sticker shock ($350? For toilet paper, dual bottles of olive oil, bulk cereal, and 22 oz containers of smoked cheese? I thought we came here to SAVE money?)
joeReplies: @anon
Costco is short for “costly company”. Virtually nothing there costs less than you couldn’t find anywhere else by shopping around. When you add the membership fees and everyone a priori being treated like a shoplifter, why would you shop there, especially for food? It’s for people who are bad at math (calculating the per-unit cost) and are impressed by the “savings” of buying stuff in bulk.
2nd, at Costco, you don't have to shop around. Not everyone has time to shop around. You just put the stuff in your cart.
Also keep in mind Costco's "bring it back if you are not satisfied" guaranty on almost everything. You bought an iron or a dehumidifier and it stopped working a week after the warranty expired? Or a year? Or five years? Bring it back. You don't have the receipt? Or the packaging? No problem. They look up your purchase on the computer and hand you a refund. They don't argue with you - they just hand you your money back. This usually more than makes up for the membership fee. It drives me nuts that modern Made in China appliances are so disposable - when I was a kid, American appliances would last for decades. So bringing the broken crap back to Costco eases the pain somewhat.Replies: @Johann Ricke, @anon
First of all, that’s not true. There are certain items at Costco that are genuine bargains that you would be very hard pressed to find no matter how much you shopped around.
2nd, at Costco, you don’t have to shop around. Not everyone has time to shop around. You just put the stuff in your cart.
Also keep in mind Costco’s “bring it back if you are not satisfied” guaranty on almost everything. You bought an iron or a dehumidifier and it stopped working a week after the warranty expired? Or a year? Or five years? Bring it back. You don’t have the receipt? Or the packaging? No problem. They look up your purchase on the computer and hand you a refund. They don’t argue with you – they just hand you your money back. This usually more than makes up for the membership fee. It drives me nuts that modern Made in China appliances are so disposable – when I was a kid, American appliances would last for decades. So bringing the broken crap back to Costco eases the pain somewhat.
We can't have nice things anymore when some folks try to "return" things they found at a dump or a flea market and get the full retail price in cash. Some people just have no shame at all. I'd like to know the demographics of the folks who do that.
I'm not sure what things at Costco are a bargain. Other than some deeply discounted clothing, I haven't found any. But if the Costco return policy is as you say, then I could understand paying higher prices, just like at LL Bean. With the latter, you had confidence that 1) the thing you bought won't be a piece of junk, and 2) you can return it at any time if it doesn't work out.Replies: @Jack D
2nd, at Costco, you don't have to shop around. Not everyone has time to shop around. You just put the stuff in your cart.
Also keep in mind Costco's "bring it back if you are not satisfied" guaranty on almost everything. You bought an iron or a dehumidifier and it stopped working a week after the warranty expired? Or a year? Or five years? Bring it back. You don't have the receipt? Or the packaging? No problem. They look up your purchase on the computer and hand you a refund. They don't argue with you - they just hand you your money back. This usually more than makes up for the membership fee. It drives me nuts that modern Made in China appliances are so disposable - when I was a kid, American appliances would last for decades. So bringing the broken crap back to Costco eases the pain somewhat.Replies: @Johann Ricke, @anon
How much of that is finicky micro-electronics? Used to be that they were fairly simple, so there wasn’t much to break.
Oh a lot. But the electronics are also cheap Chinese junk and not hardened and put together poorly with bad solder joints, etc.. Space satellites are full of electronics and they run for decades in the harsh conditions of space because they are properly made. Even the electronics in your car rarely fail despite living a harsh life. In modern America you take your famous brand name (G.E. or Sunbeam, etc.) and attach it to a piece of cheap Chinese junk made by some low bidder factory in Shenzen and charge the same money as if the thing were still made carefully.
There are some very interesting videos on YouTube where there are guys who take apart electric drills and such and show you where the Chinese manufacturers cut corners vs. a quality tool. To someone who knows nothing about these things, a drill is a drill but someone who knows how these things should be built can see how they cut corner after corner and this makes the difference between something that could be used daily on a job site for several years and something that is a sort of drill shaped object but would not last a week under heavy use.
I actually had a Sunbeam microwave oven die just outside the 3-year extended warranty period. Talk about built-in obsolescence. Gotta wonder if it’s a term translated from the original Chinese.
They have giant factories in Guangdong where tens of thousand of people work making the global supply of microwaves (and they have driven the price down to almost nothing ). They have either licensed or purchased all of the well known brand names so probably your "Sunbeam" was a Galanz.Replies: @Johann Ricke
2nd, at Costco, you don't have to shop around. Not everyone has time to shop around. You just put the stuff in your cart.
Also keep in mind Costco's "bring it back if you are not satisfied" guaranty on almost everything. You bought an iron or a dehumidifier and it stopped working a week after the warranty expired? Or a year? Or five years? Bring it back. You don't have the receipt? Or the packaging? No problem. They look up your purchase on the computer and hand you a refund. They don't argue with you - they just hand you your money back. This usually more than makes up for the membership fee. It drives me nuts that modern Made in China appliances are so disposable - when I was a kid, American appliances would last for decades. So bringing the broken crap back to Costco eases the pain somewhat.Replies: @Johann Ricke, @anon
Is that true? I thought LL Bean was the last major retailer that did that, but now that’s over as well.
We can’t have nice things anymore when some folks try to “return” things they found at a dump or a flea market and get the full retail price in cash. Some people just have no shame at all. I’d like to know the demographics of the folks who do that.
I’m not sure what things at Costco are a bargain. Other than some deeply discounted clothing, I haven’t found any. But if the Costco return policy is as you say, then I could understand paying higher prices, just like at LL Bean. With the latter, you had confidence that 1) the thing you bought won’t be a piece of junk, and 2) you can return it at any time if it doesn’t work out.
There are exceptions for electronics and major appliances and a few other things. And you have to have bought the item at Costco (you personally) so you can't just pick one up at a flea market (Costco has a record of all your purchases). Also apparently if you abuse the privilege they will blacklist you, but they do this very rarely.Things that are a bargain at Costco: 1. Their rotisserie chickens (and the hot dogs at the concession stand). These are loss leaders that they lose money on.2. Coffee beans - price per lb. is lower than anywhere else.3. Many Kirkland (store) brand items - OTC drugs, olive oil, booze, etc.
It's as if - without discussion or debate - there's been a general cultural consensus - that when "white people" transgress by failing to rightly form their words or take actions that cause offense, in other words when it may be interpreted that they passed beyond microaggression - that they are obliged, on mass and collectively, to endure hectoring lectures and re-education.
No one is questioning this. Maybe at Unz. Maybe little notices at NRO. How about elected officials? How about they notice?
Where did people, by dint of the color of their skin, get assigned the status of Sensitivity-Probation and where is it written that if people of such status individually, or as a member of a class, are associated with a breech of sensitivity, then all members fall off Probation and into Disciplinary Remediation?
How did that happen? And why is anyone going to shop at Starbucks on May 30, since it's doing so much to normalize this obscenity?Replies: @Alden
My Dad was a manager for Allis Chalmers a company that made tractors and bulldozers and things. It was part of the auto industry.
Around 1968 when the affirmative action law was passed he went to a week long auto industry conference near Detroit about how affirmative action would affect the industry.
He was told “ from now on, every hiring, firing, promotion and assignment decision is subject to litigation.”
He also visited a friend who worked for the United Auto Workers. His friend had nothing but complaints about the blacks the UAW hired as pretend executives. All they did was yap on the phone all day and bother the women
Bothering being what is now called harassment
I saw a video where someone grabbed the big plate that covers the wheels of a lawn mower. He managed to wrench half of it off.
What we need is recognition of white privileged and the systemic abuses that People of Color face everyday
I recently lost a longtime friendship over a discussion about the Philadelphia incident, in which two black men who were refused bathroom access at a Starbucks were arrested. Toward the end of a lovely dinner, I talked about how sad and disgusted I was by the mistreatment of these men.
My friend defended the Starbucks employee who called the police and the right of a business to refuse service to anyone.
My friend's position was that "we" would have either ordered something or left if told to.
His white privilege informed him of this view. I reminded him that "we" would not have been told to leave and that "we" could have even used the bathroom. This "we" is nothing more than an expression of racism — and I told him that.
I don't want to belong to that club of "we."Replies: @black sea, @Alfa158, @John Cunningham, @ScarletNumber, @36 ulster, @Iberiano, @Buffalo Joe, @al gore rhythms, @RadicalCenter, @Alden
Like you can afford to eat dinner out even at Taco Bell. And given how much you hate Whites, I doubt you ever even shared a table at a crowded macdonalds with a White person.
There’s Russian towns near the Chinese border where people daytrip and shop for “deals.” A guys brings back a large-capacity external hard drive, but later brings it to the IT shop, because it only shows the last four meg of whatever he stores. They open the plastic casing and the hard drive itself is missing: it’s got a five meg thumb drive on the other side of the USB, set up to overwrite itself.
There must still be some unions around. Maybe one could be organized to protect Starbucks workers from both management and customers.
Apr 23, 2018 - Centralized News in the USA
If someone is running a coffee shop and provides seating for customers, it is rude for non-customers to loiter, and even customers after finishing their drink long ago, especially when it is crowded. If someone sits for a few minutes waiting for something that is no big deal, but if employees ask them to leave, they should leave.
I am convinced that somewhere in the USA there is a secret control center where people decide what news Americans see each day. For example, last week two poorly dressed guys were loitering in a Starbucks who had not bought anything. They were asked to leave, something that happens hundreds of times a day in the USA. They claimed they were waiting for someone, and that is fine for several minutes, but not for hours. The police showed up, which was probably 20 minutes later, and they still refused to leave, so got arrested. As this happened, someone was there to record this non-event just as a "white guy" who was going to "change the lives" of the two black men showed up to ask why they were being arrested.
This was national news the next day! There is no news editor in the USA who thinks this is news, yet they all ran this story as ordered with an unproven racist angle, as though everyone has the right to loiter in Starbucks so long as they are white. It is obvious this was a staged event. The national networks did interviews and all local newscasts carried this "story" but none used google to learn the homeless are a huge problem for Starbucks. This story was selected for nationwide coverage as part of a never ending campaign to foment racial conflict among American workers and redirect anger away from the ruling class.
Another example is the recent senseless American missile attack in Syria. Sane people immediately doubted the Syrians would launch a mindless gas attack. None of the major news organizations in the nation condemned the American attack, even though it was a blatant war crime. They did not inform Americans when it was revealed the targets had been okayed by Russia and consisted of empty buildings. Moreover, when investigators arrived and determined there was no gas attack, American media refused to report this story, but did find lots of time to report on a meaningless arrest at a Starbucks.
The only interesting news from this staged event was the reaction of the spineless ultra-wealthy owners of Starbucks. They fired their hard working manager on the spot who did nothing wrong, because their workers are disposable trash. Now all Starbucks in the USA will become homeless shelters, business will fall, and workers will be laid off. Ironically, the main reason homelessness became a big problem in the USA is because of mass immigration, which Starbucks strongly supports.
https://news.starbucks.com/news/living-our-values-in-uncertain-timesReplies: @donut, @anonymous, @Alden
The White man who was an hour late for the alleged meeting is a Jew named Jaffe who is an ADL activist. I don’t think he bought anything either
Why am I not surprised?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8t5l8_snUo
Wonder if this video will be part of the Starbucks employee re-education camp?Replies: @donut, @Alden
That’s Emeryville. It shares a border with Oakland. What does anyone expect?
I guess laptops are the new purses. Blacks used to grab purses now they grab laptops.
What about premises liability? Could the victim of a laptop thief sue the establishment because the theft happened there?
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-starbucks-philadelphia-racism-20180426-story.htmlReplies: @Semperluctor
Well found. I rather doubt that Tiny Duck wrote the Debra Brunsten letter, and thus that TDs true identity has been uncovered. I assume that he simply lifted her letter.
That would explain a lot .
We can't have nice things anymore when some folks try to "return" things they found at a dump or a flea market and get the full retail price in cash. Some people just have no shame at all. I'd like to know the demographics of the folks who do that.
I'm not sure what things at Costco are a bargain. Other than some deeply discounted clothing, I haven't found any. But if the Costco return policy is as you say, then I could understand paying higher prices, just like at LL Bean. With the latter, you had confidence that 1) the thing you bought won't be a piece of junk, and 2) you can return it at any time if it doesn't work out.Replies: @Jack D
Yes it’s true.
https://customerservice.costco.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1191
There are exceptions for electronics and major appliances and a few other things. And you have to have bought the item at Costco (you personally) so you can’t just pick one up at a flea market (Costco has a record of all your purchases). Also apparently if you abuse the privilege they will blacklist you, but they do this very rarely.
Things that are a bargain at Costco:
1. Their rotisserie chickens (and the hot dogs at the concession stand). These are loss leaders that they lose money on.
2. Coffee beans – price per lb. is lower than anywhere else.
3. Many Kirkland (store) brand items – OTC drugs, olive oil, booze, etc.
TD often plagiarizes other leftists so this would not be surprising.
The biggest company you have probably never heard of is named “Galanz”. They make 1/2 of the microwave ovens in the world. “Founded in 1978 by Liang Qingde, Galanz was originally a company that dealt in the trading of duck feathers.” You can’t make this stuff up.
They have giant factories in Guangdong where tens of thousand of people work making the global supply of microwaves (and they have driven the price down to almost nothing ). They have either licensed or purchased all of the well known brand names so probably your “Sunbeam” was a Galanz.
I guess laptops are the new purses. Blacks used to grab purses now they grab laptops.
What about premises liability? Could the victim of a laptop thief sue the establishment because the theft happened there?Replies: @Jack D
This has been going on for a long time. When my kids were at school there I would sometimes look at the crime logs for MIT and Penn. Maybe 1/2 the crimes were laptop thefts. The other half were bicycle thefts.
They have giant factories in Guangdong where tens of thousand of people work making the global supply of microwaves (and they have driven the price down to almost nothing ). They have either licensed or purchased all of the well known brand names so probably your "Sunbeam" was a Galanz.Replies: @Johann Ricke
Thanks for the tip. As it turns out, a search for “Sunbeam Galanz” pulled up a Kmart entry for a microwave oven. My Sunbeam died after 3 years. Meanwhile, an acquaintance’s Made in Korea Lucky Goldstar (before it was contracted to just LG) microwave is still going strong after 20 years.
This is what kills me. American brands do this and then get upset when someone just buys directly from the Chinese.
If I need coffee and Starbucks is the only place around, I get coffee at Starbucks. If there is any alternative, I avail myself of it.
Target used to have the cachet of Tarzhay. I’m not sure that is does these days. Your description of Target shoppers definitely doesn’t match those at my local store. Mine is on the fringe of a black town, so perhaps it’s unsurprising that the typical shopper is an overweight black woman with a couple of kids in tow.