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From the New York Times:

Israeli Law Declares the Country the ‘Nation-State of the Jewish People’

By David M. Halbfinger and Isabel Kershner
July 19, 2018

JERUSALEM — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has long demanded that the Palestinians acknowledge his country’s existence as the “nation-state of the Jewish people.” On Thursday, his governing coalition stopped waiting around and pushed through a law that made it a fact.

In an incendiary move hailed as historic by Mr. Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition but denounced by centrists and leftists as racist and anti-democratic, Israel’s Parliament enacted a law that enshrines the right of national self-determination as “unique to the Jewish people” — not all citizens.

The legislation, a “basic law” — giving it the weight of a constitutional amendment — omits any mention of democracy or the principle of equality, in what critics called a betrayal of Israel’s 1948 Declaration of Independence, which ensured “complete equality of social and political rights” for “all its inhabitants” no matter their religion, race or sex.

The new law promotes the development of Jewish communities, possibly aiding those who would seek to advance discriminatory land-allocation policies. And it downgrades Arabic from an official language to one with a “special status.”…

Its passage demonstrated the ascendancy of ultranationalists in Israel’s government, who have been emboldened by the gains of similarly nationalist and populist movements in Europe and elsewhere, as Mr. Netanyahu has increasingly embraced illiberal democracies like that of Hungary — whose far-right prime minister, Viktor Orban, arrived in Jerusalem for a friendly visit only hours before the vote.

So obscure Israel is merely following the lead of mighty Hungary? As a recent newcomer to the world stage, Netanyahu is of course looking for clues as to how to behave from the veteran Orban?

Or could it possibly be that the success of Israeli nationalism has made Israel the vanguard style-setting country of the last 70 years and much of the rest of the world is now looking to the example long set by The Jewish State?

 
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  1. If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a “one-state solution” with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @PhysicistDave

    I highly doubt Israelis are anywhere near as susceptible to organized guilt tripping as white gentiles.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @HA

    , @Joe Walker
    @PhysicistDave

    So by "political savvy" you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Karl, @PhysicistDave

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @PhysicistDave

    As George Orwell pointed out, while Gandhi may be a saint, his political strategy and tactics are unlikely to succeed when one's opponents are ruthless, amoral thugs and, at this point, a large plurality, perhaps a majority, of Israeli Jews have demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that they are indeed ruthless, amoral thugs.

    Replies: @Flip

    , @cf
    @PhysicistDave


    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs.
     
    So you're saying, if the Palestinians were not the Palestinians and abandoned everything that defined their Palestinian identity, they'd win. Sure, that would work, but someone's going to have to tell all of their leaders to stop bragging that they'll "remove" all of the Jews once they gain power.
    , @attilathehen
    @PhysicistDave

    Gaza Palestinians have an average IQ of 84. 90% of them have black ancestry. You're not going to get anything out of this bunch.

    , @Emblematic
    @PhysicistDave

    You mean like marching unarmed towards the border and getting shot?

    , @Rob McX
    @PhysicistDave

    MLK had the support of American Jews. Palestinians following his example wouldn't.

    , @Samuel Skinner
    @PhysicistDave

    You realize white America tried that strategy- what do you think white flight was driven by? Unpaid parking tickets? It was fueled by assault and murder.

    It turns out 'be peaceful martyrs' means nothing if the media says it doesn't. And if the media says it does, they can create martyrs from scratch in order to meet demand.

    Also there is zero chance that Israel would ever agree to one state solution with civil rights. They can see that is what happened in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Israelis are aware 'civil rights' are a suicide pact that will end with them being murdered and while the nations politicians can't agree on the smallest thing, they can agree it would be nice to die in their beds surrounded by friends and family and not beaten to death on the street.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @PhysicistDave

    For them, it's either -or. Either they rule or they're ruled. No third option.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTfFjj72ILk

    , @Jake
    @PhysicistDave

    Are you truly so naive that you think King's 'strategy' worked because of the brilliance of the strategy?

    King's strategy worked because the WASP Elite and its Jewish BFFs demanded that it work, which they wanted because they each hated and feared white Middle America. The most conservative part of the country was the South. Easily the most unified group of whites was the white South. If you could destroy the unity of the South, its conservatism would begin to dilute. The combination would allow not merely the WASP Elite to once again divide and conquer, but allow its Jewish partner to lead in shoving the nation very hard to the left, which would permanently divide and conquer.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @MBlanc46
    @PhysicistDave

    You’ve got to have serious impulse control to make the nonviolent strategy work.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    @PhysicistDave

    "If the Palestinians had any political savvy, "

    They wouldn't be Palestinian.

    , @Alden
    @PhysicistDave

    MLK had the full support of:

    1 The federal government

    2 governments of all states but 11

    3 national and local media including the big Atlanta Newspaper.

    4 the military which didn’t like the segregated housing, schools buses and other civilian segregated facilities around its numerous southern bases

    5 the leadership of the big northern cities That was partly revenge for the hordes of Orcs that descended in the cities during the great migration

    6 hundreds of heavily Jewish heavily left northern and western do gooders

    7. Academia at all levels. Northern children were taught about lunching and segregation in grade and high school American history classes

    Northern college professors organized all those freedom rides and demonstrations

    8 millions of dollars in non government money from numerous do gooder groups, from League of Women Voters to of course AJC ADL ACLU


    Presidents Eisenhower Kennedy and Johnson and the State Department felt it was time because it was the height of the Cold War and soviet propaganda was non stop KKK lunching and burning blacks at the stake. Western Europe was inundated with Soviet propaganda about this.

    When first Ghana and then other African colonies became independent they of course sent ambassadors and staff to Washington with their begging bowls there were a lot of worries about segregation in Maryland and Virginia.

    MLK was just a somewhat respectable front man for the federal government.

    It was similar to the gay marriage and transgender bathroom boys on girls sports thing. The government media and establishment wanted it. So it happened.

  2. In an incendiary move hailed as historic by Mr. Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition but denounced by centrists and leftists as racist and anti-democratic, Israel’s Parliament enacted a law that enshrines the right of national self-determination as “unique to the Jewish people” — not all citizens.

    As you can see, the problem isn’t that Israel lacks a loony left, it’s just that their Nationalist politicians combine competence with balls, unlike, well the USA given your constant complaints.

    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.

    Maybe look into Netanyanhu for the next Republican primary (:

    • Replies: @Joe Walker
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Netanyahu is nothing special. His major asset is that much of the global media is Jewish-owned and therefore biased towards Israel. That same Jewish-owned media is biased against the United States and Europe except when they do boneheaded things such as inviting in hordes of Syrians and Mexicans.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.
     
    That being the case, I wonder if we're seeing the first fruits of Bibi's May Day meeting with Putin starting to emerge. Putin had to let Netanyahu embarrass him a bit in Syria, knowing that Netanyahu would shortly swing hard nationalist, thereby forcing hands and decisions all over Europe and America.

    Brilliant chess move, Mr. Putin. Somebody page Saker regarding this one. I'd like to know what his sources think.
    , @Altai
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.
     
    Depends on if said nationalism comes with respect for ones neighbours. (Israel isn't very good at that) What's really happening is the US has absorbed a notion that it's simply wrong for Western countries to protect their ethnic homogeneity and this morality has seeped into the rest of the Western world.

    Think of it this way, Western Europeans now have collective identities that if it were a person would be depressed and lacking self-confidence. (At least in part now because a sudden influx of non-natives in every Western European country means people are afraid of offending them with native ethnic pride) Israel doesn't have a problem with low collective self-esteem, it's got far too much.

    It's the difference between a depressed person being taken advantage of needing to be more self-assertive and confident and a psychopath who views others as things he can take advantage of. The psychopath doesn't need more freedom to engage in his selfish ends.

    The ethnocentric Polish or Croat living in London isn't interested in promoting the interests of the native population. And a more ethnocentric Israeli really isn't.

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Agree.

    Maybe you saw Steve's posts that described Trump as the American Netanyahu?

    As others pointed out, the big media oppose other nationalists as fervently as they support Israeli nationalists, so the American Netanyahu must swim upstream against that torrent.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Anon
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.
     
    Shouldn't we be happier if Palestine were liberated from the interlopers and became a sovereign state?
  3. Really stupid move. Israel was already engaging in all the activities they now say they’ll engage in explicitly and succeeding. Foreign diplomats and politicians don’t want to have to deal with the Israel lobby even if most heads of state would pay money to watch Netanyahu burn alive after prolonged exposure to him.

    All this does is bring more light and attention on Israel and make it harder and harder for media gatekeepers and international diplomats to sidestep Israel. By the moral rubric of the era this is the supreme evil (Even if it was being done on land that hadn’t been colonised well within living memory with the natives in ever smaller corrals.) and no Jewish intellectual can possibly avoid the bad outcomes from having to debate or defend this or answer calls of double standards if they do.

    Even if politicians don’t do anything immediately the BSD campaign will gather more energy.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Altai

    If Jews hadn't double standards they'd have no standards. They're experts in special pleading.

    , @conceptpoitico
    @Altai

    Your analysis is head on. I think it points to a major failure within the Jewish psychology of always and constantly overreaching when they already have a good thing and becoming overwhelmed with a sense of hubris born out of a overweening victims justice.

  4. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    Or could it possibly be that the success of Israeli nationalism has made Israel the vanguard country of the last 70 years and much of the rest of the world is now looking to the example long set by Israel?

    Hungary does not have a powerful network of Hungarian Americans and Hungarian influence over the US government spanning decades.

    What Hungary is doing isn’t analogous to what Israel has done, nor is Hungary looking to Israel as a vanguard. Rather Israel is trying to have good relations with Hungary because it sees it as a possible rising vanguard and as a way to hedge its bets. Israel has done this with India for a long time, because of Hindu nationalism’s hostility to Muslims.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @Anonymous


    Hungary does not have a powerful network of Hungarian Americans and Hungarian influence over the US government spanning decades.
     
    George Soros is a powerful Hungarian American who has exercised influence over the US government for decades. Of course he is not influencing the US on behalf of Hungary. More than likely he is trying to influence the US against Hungary.
  5. Anonymous[755] • Disclaimer says:

    So obscure Israel is merely following the lead of mighty Hungary?

    Jews are masters at deflecting blame and liability onto others. You see a similar game played with respect to Zionism and early-20th Century European nationalisms. Zionism is spun as reaction to or progeny of European nationalism, including German national socialism, when in fact it was a precursur and partial cause.

  6. Upon hearing this news, I felt exactly the same as I did the day George Michael came out as gay.

    • LOL: Anonym
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Cagey Beast

    Best part of the video: the "CHOOSE LIFE" T-shirt.

  7. @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    I highly doubt Israelis are anywhere near as susceptible to organized guilt tripping as white gentiles.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @L Woods

    L. Woods wrote to me:


    I highly doubt Israelis are anywhere near as susceptible to organized guilt tripping as white gentiles.
     
    But, the supporters of Israel in the US might be.

    I will admit that the Israelis I have known struck me as more open, normal people than many of their supporters in the USA.
    , @HA
    @L Woods

    "I highly doubt Israelis are anywhere near as susceptible to organized guilt tripping as white gentiles."


    That doesn't matter. An Israel genuinely free from Palestinian/Hezbollah and other violence emanating from without would before long either grind to a halt from gridlock, or else erupt into a bloody Jewish civil war, if history is any guide. The only reason Israeli Jews have not started killing each other already is because they have a common outside enemy.

    They need the Palestinians (or some other suitable stand-ins) to remain, as much as they need the Palestinian leadership to continue being the feckless, bumbling idiots that they are.

    Replies: @Corn

  8. @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    So by “political savvy” you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Walker


    So by “political savvy” you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?

     

    Is that really worse than living under Arab rule forever?

    Even Arabs don't want that!

    https://oxfamblogs.org/fp2p/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/syria-timeline-3million-refugees-oxfam_610nc.jpg

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @El Dato, @Pericles

    , @Karl
    @Joe Walker

    8 Joe Walker > you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?


    no, we mean that they should grab the 80% of "historic Palestine" that Britain used to create - - out of thin air.... the Kingdom of Jordan.... ruled by a Saudi family.

    Can you even point to Amman on a map, Joe?


    So Joe, did you know that RIGHT NOW, American infantry units are on the ground at Jordan's border with Syria, guarding the Jordanian regime?


    It's not secret, but it sure ain't publicized. They don't even mention in the American Forces Network weather reports, which calls out forecasts for pretty much EVERY American presence.

    If you had access to the (encrypted) AFN broadcasts, you'd know that, Joe.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Joe Walker

    Joe Walker wrote to me:


    So by “political savvy” you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?
     
    In the real world, the "Zionists" are not going to be "pushed into the sea" in your and my lifetime or in our children's or even grandchildren's lifetimes.

    So, Israelis and Palestinians can just keep hating and killing each other, or they can work something out. A "two-state solution" will not work: both sides (especially the Palestinians) will be irredentists.

    Sometime in the next thousand years, they will work something out. Wouldn't it be better for everyone if it happened in this century rather than several centuries down the line?
  9. @Nigerian Nationalist

    In an incendiary move hailed as historic by Mr. Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition but denounced by centrists and leftists as racist and anti-democratic, Israel’s Parliament enacted a law that enshrines the right of national self-determination as “unique to the Jewish people” — not all citizens.
     
    As you can see, the problem isn't that Israel lacks a loony left, it's just that their Nationalist politicians combine competence with balls, unlike, well the USA given your constant complaints.

    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.

    Maybe look into Netanyanhu for the next Republican primary (:

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @Intelligent Dasein, @Altai, @Almost Missouri, @Anon

    Netanyahu is nothing special. His major asset is that much of the global media is Jewish-owned and therefore biased towards Israel. That same Jewish-owned media is biased against the United States and Europe except when they do boneheaded things such as inviting in hordes of Syrians and Mexicans.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Joe Walker

    Well, we can see that the Jewish-owned New York Times is none too supportive of this move.

    Let’s play a game. You find a Jewish-owned media outlet that supports this new law, and I’ll match that with a Jewish-owned media outlet that doesn’t support it. We’ll add up their subscribers/viewers to keep score.

    I’ve already taken my turn actually; I said “New York Times”. 500,000 print subscribers, 2,500,000 digital subscribers. Your turn, Joe.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous, @istevefan, @Anon, @Anonymous

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Walker




    boneheaded things such as inviting in hordes of Syrians
     
    Or anyone else who writes backwards.

    Netanyahu is nothing special. His major asset is that...
     
    ...he doesn't invite hordes of Syrians. Or their relatives.
  10. @Joe Walker
    @PhysicistDave

    So by "political savvy" you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Karl, @PhysicistDave

    So by “political savvy” you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?

    Is that really worse than living under Arab rule forever?

    Even Arabs don’t want that!

    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @Reg Cæsar

    Syrians fled their country because it was being terrorized by a group of fanatics financed by Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the good ole USA.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    , @El Dato
    @Reg Cæsar

    > Unsubtly implying Arab Rule is Worst Rule
    > Gaslighting poster by Oxfam ("How many more before this stops" ... before WHAT stops?) as explanation.
    > Both of the above unsubtly implying that Syrian are leaving because of Arab Rule.

    Are you Jewish?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Pericles
    @Reg Cæsar

    NB: Oxfam, a sleek, very well-fed organization known for its tax avoidance while piously hating tax avoidance, and screwing children.

    https://iea.org.uk/blog/oxfam-on-tax-avoidance-do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do

    http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/05/24/oxfam-is-not-a-tax-avoider/

    ("It's not tax avoidance, we just use various loopholes in the tax laws to avoid paying taxes.")

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/oxfam-in-haiti-it-was-like-a-caligula-orgy-with-prostitutes-in-oxfam-t-shirts-p32wlk0rp

    Sounds a bit like what you hear Hillary and her gang was up to.

    Solid hypocrites who feed off the foolish.

  11. @Joe Walker
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Netanyahu is nothing special. His major asset is that much of the global media is Jewish-owned and therefore biased towards Israel. That same Jewish-owned media is biased against the United States and Europe except when they do boneheaded things such as inviting in hordes of Syrians and Mexicans.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Reg Cæsar

    Well, we can see that the Jewish-owned New York Times is none too supportive of this move.

    Let’s play a game. You find a Jewish-owned media outlet that supports this new law, and I’ll match that with a Jewish-owned media outlet that doesn’t support it. We’ll add up their subscribers/viewers to keep score.

    I’ve already taken my turn actually; I said “New York Times”. 500,000 print subscribers, 2,500,000 digital subscribers. Your turn, Joe.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @International Jew

    I think a lot of the (((MSM))) opprobium towards Israel's actions is a bit of Kabuki theater. They don't want us emulating Israel and they know that Bibi is going to ignore them anyway.

    , @Anonymous
    @International Jew

    That's not a fair comparison, since the New York Times has greater sway over the American establishment and American policy.

    The NY Times doesn't support what the Chinese government does, but the NY Times is blocked or censored in China, and most Chinese government officials don't even read it.

    , @istevefan
    @International Jew


    Let’s play a game.
     
    How about we play a game where we keep track of Jewish members of Congress who demand that Israel not receive federal tax dollars so long as they pursue such nationalistic and discriminatory policies that don't reflect who we are?

    I bet there are more members of Congress, both Jew and Gentile BTW, who spoke out against Iceland's new law banning circumcision than we will see speaking out against this new Israeli law.

    I bet there are more members of Congress, both Jew and Gentile, who spoke out against Poland's new law about death camp nomenclature than we will see speaking out against this new Israeli law.

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @Anon
    @International Jew

    Here, according to the Jerusalem Post, are the top 5 most egregious anti-Israel headlines of 2016:


    TOP 5 MOST EGREGIOUS ANTI-ISRAEL HEADLINES IN THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA

    https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Top-5-most-egregious-anti-Israel-headlines-in-the-international-media-464351

    1. “Tel Aviv shooting: Three killed in attack in shopping center” (BBC)

    2. “3 Palestinians killed as daily violence grinds on.” (CBS)

    3. “4 Israelis, 2 Palestinians dead in Jerusalem” (CNN)

    4. “Palestinian shot dead after fatal stabbing in Jerusalem; 2 Israeli victims also killed” (Al Jazeera)

    5. “Jordan slams Israel after radical Jews visit Islamic holy site” (AFP)
     
    The international media is really out to get you, all right. They're so fanatically anti-Israel they even changed some of these headlines after receiving criticism from their audience. That blasted anti-Israel media-- what white-hot hate they exhibit.

    And before you accuse me of changing the subject, think carefully about the nature of the subject.

    Replies: @Anon, @International Jew

    , @Anonymous
    @International Jew

    https://twitter.com/jjz1600/status/1019937184642674688

    https://twitter.com/AlexEmmons/status/1020298540382326784

  12. @Altai
    Really stupid move. Israel was already engaging in all the activities they now say they'll engage in explicitly and succeeding. Foreign diplomats and politicians don't want to have to deal with the Israel lobby even if most heads of state would pay money to watch Netanyahu burn alive after prolonged exposure to him.

    All this does is bring more light and attention on Israel and make it harder and harder for media gatekeepers and international diplomats to sidestep Israel. By the moral rubric of the era this is the supreme evil (Even if it was being done on land that hadn't been colonised well within living memory with the natives in ever smaller corrals.) and no Jewish intellectual can possibly avoid the bad outcomes from having to debate or defend this or answer calls of double standards if they do.

    Even if politicians don't do anything immediately the BSD campaign will gather more energy.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @conceptpoitico

    If Jews hadn’t double standards they’d have no standards. They’re experts in special pleading.

  13. Seems like all that has really happened is that what has been the tacit truth for years has now been explicitly admitted.

  14. @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Walker


    So by “political savvy” you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?

     

    Is that really worse than living under Arab rule forever?

    Even Arabs don't want that!

    https://oxfamblogs.org/fp2p/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/syria-timeline-3million-refugees-oxfam_610nc.jpg

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @El Dato, @Pericles

    Syrians fled their country because it was being terrorized by a group of fanatics financed by Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the good ole USA.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope


    Syrians fled their country because it was being terrorized by a group of fanatics financed by Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the good ole USA.
     
    The ones in Turkish camps, maybe. Not the ones on the streets of Cologne.

    http://c1.thejournal.ie/media/2016/01/germany-cologne-crimes-390x285.jpg

    Replies: @istevefan

    , @Anonymous
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Most Syrian civilians who fled for actual war reasons (not economic) did so because of violence carried out by the Assad regime, which is financed by Russia and Iran.

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope

  15. I guess my prior comment triggered our dear host, so I’ll rephrase it so as to conform to his womanly whims:

    I am sick of the groupthink here. I get attacked for expressing opinions fewer than five standard deviations to the right of the mainstream. Free thinking is apparently taboo here. Goodbye, mentally ill sheep.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @AndrewR

    It's not that "freethinking" is "taboo." There's quite a bit of dissent here, and I daresay it's rather well tolerated next to (e.g.) leftist or mainstream right blogs. I frequently get censored myself, usually when I'm drunk and/or pissed off. But at a certain point, quibbling and hairsplitting doesn't serve any purpose -- you have to accept a 'good enough' level of of ideational consensus and direct your fire towards the real enemy.

    , @Anonym
    @AndrewR

    You'll be back. ;)

    I don't consider myself a group thinker. However, if I disagree with something I will reply however I think is appropriate. I think you have useful contributions variously.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Goodbye, mentally ill sheep.
     
    Just as well. Never could keep all the Andrews here straight.
    , @BenKenobi
    @AndrewR

    Good night, sweet prince. Good night, you King of Unz.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFObI_pU1Y0

    , @El Dato
    @AndrewR


    fewer than five standard deviations to the right of the mainstream.
     
    That's practically hailing from the Large Magellanic Cloud. How's it going out there.
  16. L Woods says:
    @AndrewR
    I guess my prior comment triggered our dear host, so I'll rephrase it so as to conform to his womanly whims:

    I am sick of the groupthink here. I get attacked for expressing opinions fewer than five standard deviations to the right of the mainstream. Free thinking is apparently taboo here. Goodbye, mentally ill sheep.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Anonym, @Reg Cæsar, @BenKenobi, @El Dato

    It’s not that “freethinking” is “taboo.” There’s quite a bit of dissent here, and I daresay it’s rather well tolerated next to (e.g.) leftist or mainstream right blogs. I frequently get censored myself, usually when I’m drunk and/or pissed off. But at a certain point, quibbling and hairsplitting doesn’t serve any purpose — you have to accept a ‘good enough’ level of of ideational consensus and direct your fire towards the real enemy.

  17. @Nigerian Nationalist

    In an incendiary move hailed as historic by Mr. Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition but denounced by centrists and leftists as racist and anti-democratic, Israel’s Parliament enacted a law that enshrines the right of national self-determination as “unique to the Jewish people” — not all citizens.
     
    As you can see, the problem isn't that Israel lacks a loony left, it's just that their Nationalist politicians combine competence with balls, unlike, well the USA given your constant complaints.

    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.

    Maybe look into Netanyanhu for the next Republican primary (:

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @Intelligent Dasein, @Altai, @Almost Missouri, @Anon

    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.

    That being the case, I wonder if we’re seeing the first fruits of Bibi’s May Day meeting with Putin starting to emerge. Putin had to let Netanyahu embarrass him a bit in Syria, knowing that Netanyahu would shortly swing hard nationalist, thereby forcing hands and decisions all over Europe and America.

    Brilliant chess move, Mr. Putin. Somebody page Saker regarding this one. I’d like to know what his sources think.

  18. @AndrewR
    I guess my prior comment triggered our dear host, so I'll rephrase it so as to conform to his womanly whims:

    I am sick of the groupthink here. I get attacked for expressing opinions fewer than five standard deviations to the right of the mainstream. Free thinking is apparently taboo here. Goodbye, mentally ill sheep.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Anonym, @Reg Cæsar, @BenKenobi, @El Dato

    You’ll be back. 😉

    I don’t consider myself a group thinker. However, if I disagree with something I will reply however I think is appropriate. I think you have useful contributions variously.

  19. @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    As George Orwell pointed out, while Gandhi may be a saint, his political strategy and tactics are unlikely to succeed when one’s opponents are ruthless, amoral thugs and, at this point, a large plurality, perhaps a majority, of Israeli Jews have demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that they are indeed ruthless, amoral thugs.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    "Then he [Hitler] launched into a tirade for the benefit of the former British Viceroy of India about what to about Great Britain’s current problems in that unhappy land: “Shoot Gandhi! If that does not suffice to reduce them to submission, shoot a dozen leading members of Congress, and if that does not suffice, shoot 200 and so on until order is established.”

    Lord Halifax on his meeting with Hitler in 1937.

  20. @International Jew
    @Joe Walker

    Well, we can see that the Jewish-owned New York Times is none too supportive of this move.

    Let’s play a game. You find a Jewish-owned media outlet that supports this new law, and I’ll match that with a Jewish-owned media outlet that doesn’t support it. We’ll add up their subscribers/viewers to keep score.

    I’ve already taken my turn actually; I said “New York Times”. 500,000 print subscribers, 2,500,000 digital subscribers. Your turn, Joe.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous, @istevefan, @Anon, @Anonymous

    I think a lot of the (((MSM))) opprobium towards Israel’s actions is a bit of Kabuki theater. They don’t want us emulating Israel and they know that Bibi is going to ignore them anyway.

  21. Israeli Law Declares the Country the ‘Nation-State of the Jewish People’

    Gee… isn’t that kinda the same as “German Law Declares Deutschland the Fatherland of the German Volk”????

  22. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @Reg Cæsar

    Syrians fled their country because it was being terrorized by a group of fanatics financed by Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the good ole USA.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    Syrians fled their country because it was being terrorized by a group of fanatics financed by Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the good ole USA.

    The ones in Turkish camps, maybe. Not the ones on the streets of Cologne.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @Reg Cæsar


    The ones in Turkish camps, maybe. Not the ones on the streets of Cologne.
     
    Aren't the lion's share of Syrians in Germany alumni of those Turkish camps? Or at least they passed through Turkey on their way.
  23. @Joe Walker
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Netanyahu is nothing special. His major asset is that much of the global media is Jewish-owned and therefore biased towards Israel. That same Jewish-owned media is biased against the United States and Europe except when they do boneheaded things such as inviting in hordes of Syrians and Mexicans.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Reg Cæsar

    boneheaded things such as inviting in hordes of Syrians

    Or anyone else who writes backwards.

    Netanyahu is nothing special. His major asset is that…

    …he doesn’t invite hordes of Syrians. Or their relatives.

  24. @AndrewR
    I guess my prior comment triggered our dear host, so I'll rephrase it so as to conform to his womanly whims:

    I am sick of the groupthink here. I get attacked for expressing opinions fewer than five standard deviations to the right of the mainstream. Free thinking is apparently taboo here. Goodbye, mentally ill sheep.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Anonym, @Reg Cæsar, @BenKenobi, @El Dato

    Goodbye, mentally ill sheep.

    Just as well. Never could keep all the Andrews here straight.

  25. @Anonymous

    Or could it possibly be that the success of Israeli nationalism has made Israel the vanguard country of the last 70 years and much of the rest of the world is now looking to the example long set by Israel?
     
    Hungary does not have a powerful network of Hungarian Americans and Hungarian influence over the US government spanning decades.

    What Hungary is doing isn't analogous to what Israel has done, nor is Hungary looking to Israel as a vanguard. Rather Israel is trying to have good relations with Hungary because it sees it as a possible rising vanguard and as a way to hedge its bets. Israel has done this with India for a long time, because of Hindu nationalism's hostility to Muslims.

    Replies: @istevefan

    Hungary does not have a powerful network of Hungarian Americans and Hungarian influence over the US government spanning decades.

    George Soros is a powerful Hungarian American who has exercised influence over the US government for decades. Of course he is not influencing the US on behalf of Hungary. More than likely he is trying to influence the US against Hungary.

  26. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    @Joe Walker

    Well, we can see that the Jewish-owned New York Times is none too supportive of this move.

    Let’s play a game. You find a Jewish-owned media outlet that supports this new law, and I’ll match that with a Jewish-owned media outlet that doesn’t support it. We’ll add up their subscribers/viewers to keep score.

    I’ve already taken my turn actually; I said “New York Times”. 500,000 print subscribers, 2,500,000 digital subscribers. Your turn, Joe.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous, @istevefan, @Anon, @Anonymous

    That’s not a fair comparison, since the New York Times has greater sway over the American establishment and American policy.

    The NY Times doesn’t support what the Chinese government does, but the NY Times is blocked or censored in China, and most Chinese government officials don’t even read it.

  27. istevefan says:
    @International Jew
    @Joe Walker

    Well, we can see that the Jewish-owned New York Times is none too supportive of this move.

    Let’s play a game. You find a Jewish-owned media outlet that supports this new law, and I’ll match that with a Jewish-owned media outlet that doesn’t support it. We’ll add up their subscribers/viewers to keep score.

    I’ve already taken my turn actually; I said “New York Times”. 500,000 print subscribers, 2,500,000 digital subscribers. Your turn, Joe.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous, @istevefan, @Anon, @Anonymous

    Let’s play a game.

    How about we play a game where we keep track of Jewish members of Congress who demand that Israel not receive federal tax dollars so long as they pursue such nationalistic and discriminatory policies that don’t reflect who we are?

    I bet there are more members of Congress, both Jew and Gentile BTW, who spoke out against Iceland’s new law banning circumcision than we will see speaking out against this new Israeli law.

    I bet there are more members of Congress, both Jew and Gentile, who spoke out against Poland’s new law about death camp nomenclature than we will see speaking out against this new Israeli law.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @istevefan


    How about we play a game where we keep track of Jewish members of Congress
     
    ...as he changes the subject.

    I bet there are more members of Congress, both Jew and Gentile BTW, who spoke out against Iceland’s new law banning circumcision than we will see speaking out against this new Israeli law.
     
    Ok, tell us how many spoke out against Iceland's new law.

    Replies: @istevefan

  28. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope


    Syrians fled their country because it was being terrorized by a group of fanatics financed by Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the good ole USA.
     
    The ones in Turkish camps, maybe. Not the ones on the streets of Cologne.

    http://c1.thejournal.ie/media/2016/01/germany-cologne-crimes-390x285.jpg

    Replies: @istevefan

    The ones in Turkish camps, maybe. Not the ones on the streets of Cologne.

    Aren’t the lion’s share of Syrians in Germany alumni of those Turkish camps? Or at least they passed through Turkey on their way.

  29. Making a state mono-tribal and monolingual is the first step in a downward spiral of self-destruction. There are many examples of that, old and recent. A lot of people might rejoice at the demise of Israel. Not all of them are Arabs.

  30. cf says:
    @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs.

    So you’re saying, if the Palestinians were not the Palestinians and abandoned everything that defined their Palestinian identity, they’d win. Sure, that would work, but someone’s going to have to tell all of their leaders to stop bragging that they’ll “remove” all of the Jews once they gain power.

  31. @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    Gaza Palestinians have an average IQ of 84. 90% of them have black ancestry. You’re not going to get anything out of this bunch.

  32. @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    You mean like marching unarmed towards the border and getting shot?

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  33. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:

    In 2018, the lesson that our elites think we should learn from World War 2 is that nationalism and nation states are bad things, and yet oddly enough, the Jews, who suffered grievously from all this supposed nationalism, turned around and bet the future of their people on nationalism and the nation-state. Seven decades later, this bet has clearly paid off, but the progressive elites can’t accept this is a counter-example to their worldview. Maybe the lesson we were supposed to learn is that nationalism is good, and not respecting other people’s right to nationalism is bad?

    The other thing that our modern-day progressive priestly caste can’t seem to explain is, if nationalism inevitably leads to war and conflict, then why are the highly nationalist Visegrad 4 so incredibly united and enjoying such cordial relations? If everything we are told about nationalism is true, then Poland should be trying to recreate its 17th-century Commonwealth(which stretched from the Baltic to the Black Sea) and the Hungarians should be trying to retake Romanian and Slovak territory lost as a result of the Treaty of Trianon. Yet this isn’t happening.

    Even more maddening is the fact that for over a century after the Revolutions of 1848, many progressives were fans of nationalism and self-determination, and remained so after World War 2, right up through until the end of decolonization, when they suddenly changed their tune. Or perhaps today’s progressives have nothing to do with the progressives of old, and they spring form an altogether different intellectual lineage, one that’s responsible for millions of deaths and unprecedented human misery.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anonymous


    Seven decades later, this bet has clearly paid off
     
    More than that. The Balfour declaration is dated November 2017. So a bit more than 100 years.

    The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917.
     
    What exactly was the quid-pro-quo? War financing.

    Little did the extant Palestinian population know that their descendants were well and truly fucked from that moment on.

    , @vinteuil
    @Anonymous


    Or perhaps today’s progressives have nothing to do with the progressives of old, and they spring form an altogether different intellectual lineage, one that’s responsible for millions of deaths and unprecedented human misery.
     
    "Perhaps?"
  34. Aren’t the lion’s share of Syrians in Germany alumni of those Turkish camps? Or at least they passed through Turkey on their way.

    That means even more of them are frauds.

    If the tents in camps are simply waystations, would that make them “totels”?

  35. @Cagey Beast
    Upon hearing this news, I felt exactly the same as I did the day George Michael came out as gay.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIgZ7gMze7A

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    Best part of the video: the “CHOOSE LIFE” T-shirt.

  36. @AndrewR
    I guess my prior comment triggered our dear host, so I'll rephrase it so as to conform to his womanly whims:

    I am sick of the groupthink here. I get attacked for expressing opinions fewer than five standard deviations to the right of the mainstream. Free thinking is apparently taboo here. Goodbye, mentally ill sheep.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Anonym, @Reg Cæsar, @BenKenobi, @El Dato

    Good night, sweet prince. Good night, you King of Unz.

  37. @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    MLK had the support of American Jews. Palestinians following his example wouldn’t.

  38. Nothing seems to infuriate the Jewish chattering classes in the U.S. (and by
    extension all Democrats) more than the growing closeness among the predominantly
    white nations such as the United States, Russia, Poland, Czechia, Hungary, etc
    while France and Britain are slowly circling the drain.

    Even a hint that Trump might be inviting Putin to the White House was enough
    to precipitate a second meltdown in the Lügenpresse this week.

    But whites have become a global minority, (optimistically) 1 billion out of
    7.6 billion people, i.e., 13% (and falling). Hence we are becoming effectively
    an endangered species. There are more Chinese (1.35 billion) or East Indians
    (1.4 billion) than whites. Here whites are defined as people of European descent.
    For the United States (and Canada, Australia, etc) to be continuously inundated
    by the Chinese and East Indians is not helping. As an endangered species we
    must start asking, “But is it good for the whites?” and “What’s in it for the whites?”

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  39. So the Israeli government has codified what Israel has been doing all along – not exactly big news. Zionism, like Americanism, is a good illustration of the fact that nationalism always tends toward globalism by expansion of the area under the nation-state’s control, not necessarily the area within its borders. Nationalism will always tend to be imperialistic and expansionist unless checked by powerful outside influences. Hungarian nationalism is relatively benign now because Hungary is small and weak. Historically, this was certainly not always the case.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Kirt


    Zionism, like Americanism, is a good illustration of the fact that nationalism always tends toward globalism by expansion of the area under the nation-state’s control, not necessarily the area within its borders.
     
    Not necessarily. Whatever about Israel, I don't see that America has any need to expand its influence. Its involvement in the Middle East has done nothing but harm to the US. Of course there's still Europe and NATO, but external alliances are necessary for the defence of any country.

    Replies: @Kirt

    , @Anonymous
    @Kirt


    Nationalism will always tend to be imperialistic and expansionist unless checked by powerful outside influences.
     
    Israel itself proves this statement is false. It's been around for seven decades and now controls only slightly more territory now than it did when it was founded. It also conquered the Sinai and gave it back - twice. It occupied south Lebanon for decades, then gave it back, as well as Gaza for decades, and pulled out.

    Given its consistent record of military victory against its neighbors, if the Israelis(who are no doubt highly nationalistic by the standards of a developed country) really wanted to expand, annex and create a Greater Israel, they would have done so already. They'd need to pay a certain price in blood, treasure and diplomatic cover/military aid from the US, but it would be doable.

    Replies: @Kirt

  40. @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    You realize white America tried that strategy- what do you think white flight was driven by? Unpaid parking tickets? It was fueled by assault and murder.

    It turns out ‘be peaceful martyrs’ means nothing if the media says it doesn’t. And if the media says it does, they can create martyrs from scratch in order to meet demand.

    Also there is zero chance that Israel would ever agree to one state solution with civil rights. They can see that is what happened in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Israelis are aware ‘civil rights’ are a suicide pact that will end with them being murdered and while the nations politicians can’t agree on the smallest thing, they can agree it would be nice to die in their beds surrounded by friends and family and not beaten to death on the street.

  41. Whatever one thinks of Israel or the Jews, one must admit
    that their behavioral strategies have produced materialistic
    success in the last 700-800 years, and are beginning to be
    widely imitated (By the way, I’m not Jewish so I have no
    dog in this fight). These include:

    – Extreme tribalism and nepotism check
    – Claims of victimhood check
    – Demand for reparations check
    – Building a defensive wall on the check
    border
    – Avoidance of manual labor check
    Joan Rivers had a comedy routine where she said that every Jewish child is shown
    a book and told, “This is a book – good book!” and then shown a hammer and told
    “This is a hammer – bad hammer.” Few things increase one’s life expectancy as much
    as the avoidance of blue collar occupations (incl. police and military).
    – Catering to the base appetites of the population through gambling, pornography,
    prostitution (running bordellos, nightclubs, etc), trashy movies, trashy television, production
    and sale of alcohol (e.g. in the Pale of Settlement in Eastern Europe), sale of gold and diamonds,
    production and sale of drugs, licit and illicit, whether as physicians or drug
    dealers.

    For many people materialistic success may bring discontentment and a feeling of
    emptiness but if all you want is materialistic success, then following the Jewish
    example is likely to increase your chance of achieving your goal.

    Are people beginning to realize that Jewish tribalism is working (amply demonstrated,
    e.g., by Israel’s latest declaration), and therefore are we likely to see growing closeness
    among and eventually an Association of White Countries (in which the Japanese, but not
    Chinese, might be considered honorary whites – once in Japan my tour guide told
    me in all seriousness that the Japanese are the only Asians who reincarnate as
    whites)?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon 2


    once in Japan my tour guide told me in all seriousness that the Japanese are the only Asians who reincarnate as whites
     
    Is that a reward for living a life of virtue or a punishment for vice?
    , @Medvedev
    @Anon 2


    might be considered honorary whites
     
    With current dynamic in Europe more plausible future: "Europeans being raped, killed and haunted in their own homeland will beg Japanese to be considered honorary Japanese" :(
    , @Jason Liu
    @Anon 2

    Israeli tribalism isn't extreme. It's fairly normal compared to the non-west, just more aggressive because they're surrounded by enemies.

  42. @Kirt
    So the Israeli government has codified what Israel has been doing all along - not exactly big news. Zionism, like Americanism, is a good illustration of the fact that nationalism always tends toward globalism by expansion of the area under the nation-state's control, not necessarily the area within its borders. Nationalism will always tend to be imperialistic and expansionist unless checked by powerful outside influences. Hungarian nationalism is relatively benign now because Hungary is small and weak. Historically, this was certainly not always the case.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Anonymous

    Zionism, like Americanism, is a good illustration of the fact that nationalism always tends toward globalism by expansion of the area under the nation-state’s control, not necessarily the area within its borders.

    Not necessarily. Whatever about Israel, I don’t see that America has any need to expand its influence. Its involvement in the Middle East has done nothing but harm to the US. Of course there’s still Europe and NATO, but external alliances are necessary for the defence of any country.

    • Replies: @Kirt
    @Rob McX

    You may not see a need for America to extend its influence, yet America continues to try to do so - not only in the Middle East, but increasingly in Africa in various bush wars which most Americans don't even know about. Of course, America is often not successful due to the increased opposition it arouses, the fate of other would-be rulers of the world. Did I say world? I guess I should have said universe. The US now not only has a Space Command, but a Space Force. As far as external alliances being necessary for the defense of any country is concerned, NATO and other external alliances defend the US from no threat whatsoever; they are just an excuse to meddle in the affairs of other countries.

  43. @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Walker


    So by “political savvy” you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?

     

    Is that really worse than living under Arab rule forever?

    Even Arabs don't want that!

    https://oxfamblogs.org/fp2p/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/syria-timeline-3million-refugees-oxfam_610nc.jpg

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @El Dato, @Pericles

    > Unsubtly implying Arab Rule is Worst Rule
    > Gaslighting poster by Oxfam (“How many more before this stops” … before WHAT stops?) as explanation.
    > Both of the above unsubtly implying that Syrian are leaving because of Arab Rule.

    Are you Jewish?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @El Dato


    Are you Jewish?
     
    No, but my Savior was.
  44. @Joe Walker
    @PhysicistDave

    So by "political savvy" you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Karl, @PhysicistDave

    8 Joe Walker > you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?

    no, we mean that they should grab the 80% of “historic Palestine” that Britain used to create – – out of thin air…. the Kingdom of Jordan…. ruled by a Saudi family.

    Can you even point to Amman on a map, Joe?

    So Joe, did you know that RIGHT NOW, American infantry units are on the ground at Jordan’s border with Syria, guarding the Jordanian regime?

    It’s not secret, but it sure ain’t publicized. They don’t even mention in the American Forces Network weather reports, which calls out forecasts for pretty much EVERY American presence.

    If you had access to the (encrypted) AFN broadcasts, you’d know that, Joe.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Karl

    Given what the Pallies did to that Jordanian pilot, there's no love lost there. Much like someone's comment below about Israel, of they didn't have an outside enemy, they'd be killing each other off.

  45. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2
    Whatever one thinks of Israel or the Jews, one must admit
    that their behavioral strategies have produced materialistic
    success in the last 700-800 years, and are beginning to be
    widely imitated (By the way, I'm not Jewish so I have no
    dog in this fight). These include:

    - Extreme tribalism and nepotism check
    - Claims of victimhood check
    - Demand for reparations check
    - Building a defensive wall on the check
    border
    - Avoidance of manual labor check
    Joan Rivers had a comedy routine where she said that every Jewish child is shown
    a book and told, "This is a book - good book!" and then shown a hammer and told
    "This is a hammer - bad hammer." Few things increase one's life expectancy as much
    as the avoidance of blue collar occupations (incl. police and military).
    - Catering to the base appetites of the population through gambling, pornography,
    prostitution (running bordellos, nightclubs, etc), trashy movies, trashy television, production
    and sale of alcohol (e.g. in the Pale of Settlement in Eastern Europe), sale of gold and diamonds,
    production and sale of drugs, licit and illicit, whether as physicians or drug
    dealers.

    For many people materialistic success may bring discontentment and a feeling of
    emptiness but if all you want is materialistic success, then following the Jewish
    example is likely to increase your chance of achieving your goal.

    Are people beginning to realize that Jewish tribalism is working (amply demonstrated,
    e.g., by Israel's latest declaration), and therefore are we likely to see growing closeness
    among and eventually an Association of White Countries (in which the Japanese, but not
    Chinese, might be considered honorary whites - once in Japan my tour guide told
    me in all seriousness that the Japanese are the only Asians who reincarnate as
    whites)?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Medvedev, @Jason Liu

    once in Japan my tour guide told me in all seriousness that the Japanese are the only Asians who reincarnate as whites

    Is that a reward for living a life of virtue or a punishment for vice?

  46. Anonymous[218] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kirt
    So the Israeli government has codified what Israel has been doing all along - not exactly big news. Zionism, like Americanism, is a good illustration of the fact that nationalism always tends toward globalism by expansion of the area under the nation-state's control, not necessarily the area within its borders. Nationalism will always tend to be imperialistic and expansionist unless checked by powerful outside influences. Hungarian nationalism is relatively benign now because Hungary is small and weak. Historically, this was certainly not always the case.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Anonymous

    Nationalism will always tend to be imperialistic and expansionist unless checked by powerful outside influences.

    Israel itself proves this statement is false. It’s been around for seven decades and now controls only slightly more territory now than it did when it was founded. It also conquered the Sinai and gave it back – twice. It occupied south Lebanon for decades, then gave it back, as well as Gaza for decades, and pulled out.

    Given its consistent record of military victory against its neighbors, if the Israelis(who are no doubt highly nationalistic by the standards of a developed country) really wanted to expand, annex and create a Greater Israel, they would have done so already. They’d need to pay a certain price in blood, treasure and diplomatic cover/military aid from the US, but it would be doable.

    • Replies: @Kirt
    @Anonymous

    From the very beginning of the Zionist project, Israel has encountered heavy resistance to its expansion and it has not been consistently successful in wars against its neighbors. It was driven from tiny Lebanon by a long war of attrition waged by guerrilla forces which were simultaneously waging a war against local enemies, some of which were backed by Israel. In the most recent Lebanon war in 2006, the well dug in Hezbollah forces inflicted significant losses on the IDF, including scores of tanks and other armored vehicles. Hezbollah also rained down thousands of rockets on northern Israel, effectively shutting down the northern third of the country economically, though causing few casualties due to the excellent Israeli civil defense. Repeated Israeli invasions of Gaza have been without effect so they have mostly resorted to a near starvation blockade. They obviously cannot successfully occupy Gaza if there are very many Gazans left alive.

  47. @Altai
    Really stupid move. Israel was already engaging in all the activities they now say they'll engage in explicitly and succeeding. Foreign diplomats and politicians don't want to have to deal with the Israel lobby even if most heads of state would pay money to watch Netanyahu burn alive after prolonged exposure to him.

    All this does is bring more light and attention on Israel and make it harder and harder for media gatekeepers and international diplomats to sidestep Israel. By the moral rubric of the era this is the supreme evil (Even if it was being done on land that hadn't been colonised well within living memory with the natives in ever smaller corrals.) and no Jewish intellectual can possibly avoid the bad outcomes from having to debate or defend this or answer calls of double standards if they do.

    Even if politicians don't do anything immediately the BSD campaign will gather more energy.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @conceptpoitico

    Your analysis is head on. I think it points to a major failure within the Jewish psychology of always and constantly overreaching when they already have a good thing and becoming overwhelmed with a sense of hubris born out of a overweening victims justice.

  48. @Anonymous
    In 2018, the lesson that our elites think we should learn from World War 2 is that nationalism and nation states are bad things, and yet oddly enough, the Jews, who suffered grievously from all this supposed nationalism, turned around and bet the future of their people on nationalism and the nation-state. Seven decades later, this bet has clearly paid off, but the progressive elites can't accept this is a counter-example to their worldview. Maybe the lesson we were supposed to learn is that nationalism is good, and not respecting other people's right to nationalism is bad?

    The other thing that our modern-day progressive priestly caste can't seem to explain is, if nationalism inevitably leads to war and conflict, then why are the highly nationalist Visegrad 4 so incredibly united and enjoying such cordial relations? If everything we are told about nationalism is true, then Poland should be trying to recreate its 17th-century Commonwealth(which stretched from the Baltic to the Black Sea) and the Hungarians should be trying to retake Romanian and Slovak territory lost as a result of the Treaty of Trianon. Yet this isn't happening.

    Even more maddening is the fact that for over a century after the Revolutions of 1848, many progressives were fans of nationalism and self-determination, and remained so after World War 2, right up through until the end of decolonization, when they suddenly changed their tune. Or perhaps today's progressives have nothing to do with the progressives of old, and they spring form an altogether different intellectual lineage, one that's responsible for millions of deaths and unprecedented human misery.

    Replies: @El Dato, @vinteuil

    Seven decades later, this bet has clearly paid off

    More than that. The Balfour declaration is dated November 2017. So a bit more than 100 years.

    The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom’s Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917.

    What exactly was the quid-pro-quo? War financing.

    Little did the extant Palestinian population know that their descendants were well and truly fucked from that moment on.

  49. @AndrewR
    I guess my prior comment triggered our dear host, so I'll rephrase it so as to conform to his womanly whims:

    I am sick of the groupthink here. I get attacked for expressing opinions fewer than five standard deviations to the right of the mainstream. Free thinking is apparently taboo here. Goodbye, mentally ill sheep.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Anonym, @Reg Cæsar, @BenKenobi, @El Dato

    fewer than five standard deviations to the right of the mainstream.

    That’s practically hailing from the Large Magellanic Cloud. How’s it going out there.

  50. And on that topic, the latest in the ongoing War On Corbyn, no anti-Semite (in fact a classic 1970s anyone-but-Brits leftie who hosted IRA leaders after they blew up the Conservative Party Conference hotel, killing several people) but distressingly unpartisan vis-a-vis Israel and the Palestinians.

    The fear is a UK leader not 97%+ supportive of Israel. Current leader Theresa May is 103% supportive -and little incidents like this one are ignored. Foreign interference? Can’t hear you!

    “‘My relatives were murdered in the gas chamber’: Jewish Labour MP defends calling Corbyn a ‘f***ing anti-Semite”

    The heated exchange took place behind the Speaker’s chair out of range of the cameras, according to the Huffington Post.

    She told him: ‘You’re a ****ing anti-Semite and a racist. You have proved you don’t want people like me in the party.’

    One witness said that Mr Corbyn replied: ‘I’m sorry you feel like that.’ A Labour Party source said: ‘She was aggressive, Jeremy was calm.

  51. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    but denounced by centrists and leftists as racist and anti-democratic

    Right, the Nakba pogroms that wiped Palestine off the map and expelled 700,000 Palestinians to make room for expanded Israel was ‘democratic and anti-racist’.

    Israel was created through mass-migration-invasion, imperialism, support of superpowers, war, and expulsion. And it was created specifically to create a nation for Jews.

    It seems ‘leftists’ and ‘centrists’ just want to maintain the fiction that Israel has been a ‘liberal democracy’ so as not to attract the wrong kind of attention.

    Jews who accept the founding of Israel cannot argue against ‘racism’. Israel was created with RACE and IDENTITY in mind.

  52. @Anon 2
    Whatever one thinks of Israel or the Jews, one must admit
    that their behavioral strategies have produced materialistic
    success in the last 700-800 years, and are beginning to be
    widely imitated (By the way, I'm not Jewish so I have no
    dog in this fight). These include:

    - Extreme tribalism and nepotism check
    - Claims of victimhood check
    - Demand for reparations check
    - Building a defensive wall on the check
    border
    - Avoidance of manual labor check
    Joan Rivers had a comedy routine where she said that every Jewish child is shown
    a book and told, "This is a book - good book!" and then shown a hammer and told
    "This is a hammer - bad hammer." Few things increase one's life expectancy as much
    as the avoidance of blue collar occupations (incl. police and military).
    - Catering to the base appetites of the population through gambling, pornography,
    prostitution (running bordellos, nightclubs, etc), trashy movies, trashy television, production
    and sale of alcohol (e.g. in the Pale of Settlement in Eastern Europe), sale of gold and diamonds,
    production and sale of drugs, licit and illicit, whether as physicians or drug
    dealers.

    For many people materialistic success may bring discontentment and a feeling of
    emptiness but if all you want is materialistic success, then following the Jewish
    example is likely to increase your chance of achieving your goal.

    Are people beginning to realize that Jewish tribalism is working (amply demonstrated,
    e.g., by Israel's latest declaration), and therefore are we likely to see growing closeness
    among and eventually an Association of White Countries (in which the Japanese, but not
    Chinese, might be considered honorary whites - once in Japan my tour guide told
    me in all seriousness that the Japanese are the only Asians who reincarnate as
    whites)?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Medvedev, @Jason Liu

    might be considered honorary whites

    With current dynamic in Europe more plausible future: “Europeans being raped, killed and haunted in their own homeland will beg Japanese to be considered honorary Japanese” 🙁

  53. I have long found it interesting how Jews handle the issue of whether it is “good for the Jews.” With the exception of Israel, it seems, ethnic nationalism is largely considered a bad thing. Regarding Israel, though, Jewish nationalism is considered a good thing — and the nationalism of the indigenous Palestinian people (formerly known as Canaanites) a bad thing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Paul


    indigenous Palestinian people (formerly known as Canaanites)
     
    It pretty much doesn't get any more historically ignorant than that. Do you actually not know anything about this history of ancient and recent migrations in that region, or are you just pretending not to?

    Replies: @Paul

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @Paul

    Formerly known as Philistines. Look at how Arabs transliterate it.

    Replies: @Paul

  54. @L Woods
    @PhysicistDave

    I highly doubt Israelis are anywhere near as susceptible to organized guilt tripping as white gentiles.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @HA

    L. Woods wrote to me:

    I highly doubt Israelis are anywhere near as susceptible to organized guilt tripping as white gentiles.

    But, the supporters of Israel in the US might be.

    I will admit that the Israelis I have known struck me as more open, normal people than many of their supporters in the USA.

  55. @Joe Walker
    @PhysicistDave

    So by "political savvy" you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Karl, @PhysicistDave

    Joe Walker wrote to me:

    So by “political savvy” you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?

    In the real world, the “Zionists” are not going to be “pushed into the sea” in your and my lifetime or in our children’s or even grandchildren’s lifetimes.

    So, Israelis and Palestinians can just keep hating and killing each other, or they can work something out. A “two-state solution” will not work: both sides (especially the Palestinians) will be irredentists.

    Sometime in the next thousand years, they will work something out. Wouldn’t it be better for everyone if it happened in this century rather than several centuries down the line?

  56. Steve: Hungary and Poland are in fact further on the track towards becoming “illiberal democracies” than Israel is, having neutered their Supreme Courts to a much more significant degree.

    The reason for that is that the right-wing in Israel doesn’t have the electoral dominance that Fidesz and PiS do. All Israeli ruling coalitions in recent years have had to share power to some degree with centrists (currently the squishy pro-Supreme Court center-right Kulanu party), limiting their power to enact “illiberal” policies.

  57. @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    For them, it’s either -or. Either they rule or they’re ruled. No third option.

  58. @Anonymous
    In 2018, the lesson that our elites think we should learn from World War 2 is that nationalism and nation states are bad things, and yet oddly enough, the Jews, who suffered grievously from all this supposed nationalism, turned around and bet the future of their people on nationalism and the nation-state. Seven decades later, this bet has clearly paid off, but the progressive elites can't accept this is a counter-example to their worldview. Maybe the lesson we were supposed to learn is that nationalism is good, and not respecting other people's right to nationalism is bad?

    The other thing that our modern-day progressive priestly caste can't seem to explain is, if nationalism inevitably leads to war and conflict, then why are the highly nationalist Visegrad 4 so incredibly united and enjoying such cordial relations? If everything we are told about nationalism is true, then Poland should be trying to recreate its 17th-century Commonwealth(which stretched from the Baltic to the Black Sea) and the Hungarians should be trying to retake Romanian and Slovak territory lost as a result of the Treaty of Trianon. Yet this isn't happening.

    Even more maddening is the fact that for over a century after the Revolutions of 1848, many progressives were fans of nationalism and self-determination, and remained so after World War 2, right up through until the end of decolonization, when they suddenly changed their tune. Or perhaps today's progressives have nothing to do with the progressives of old, and they spring form an altogether different intellectual lineage, one that's responsible for millions of deaths and unprecedented human misery.

    Replies: @El Dato, @vinteuil

    Or perhaps today’s progressives have nothing to do with the progressives of old, and they spring form an altogether different intellectual lineage, one that’s responsible for millions of deaths and unprecedented human misery.

    “Perhaps?”

  59. @Nigerian Nationalist

    In an incendiary move hailed as historic by Mr. Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition but denounced by centrists and leftists as racist and anti-democratic, Israel’s Parliament enacted a law that enshrines the right of national self-determination as “unique to the Jewish people” — not all citizens.
     
    As you can see, the problem isn't that Israel lacks a loony left, it's just that their Nationalist politicians combine competence with balls, unlike, well the USA given your constant complaints.

    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.

    Maybe look into Netanyanhu for the next Republican primary (:

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @Intelligent Dasein, @Altai, @Almost Missouri, @Anon

    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.

    Depends on if said nationalism comes with respect for ones neighbours. (Israel isn’t very good at that) What’s really happening is the US has absorbed a notion that it’s simply wrong for Western countries to protect their ethnic homogeneity and this morality has seeped into the rest of the Western world.

    Think of it this way, Western Europeans now have collective identities that if it were a person would be depressed and lacking self-confidence. (At least in part now because a sudden influx of non-natives in every Western European country means people are afraid of offending them with native ethnic pride) Israel doesn’t have a problem with low collective self-esteem, it’s got far too much.

    It’s the difference between a depressed person being taken advantage of needing to be more self-assertive and confident and a psychopath who views others as things he can take advantage of. The psychopath doesn’t need more freedom to engage in his selfish ends.

    The ethnocentric Polish or Croat living in London isn’t interested in promoting the interests of the native population. And a more ethnocentric Israeli really isn’t.

    • Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian
    @Altai

    "Depends on if said nationalism comes with respect for ones neighbours. (Israel isn’t very good at that)"

    They are better at it than most. No wars with any of their neighbors except terrorist orgs that occupy Gaza and S. Lebanon (the latter war over kidnapping soldiers).

    Total peace w/both Egypt and Jordan.

  60. @Reg Cæsar
    @Joe Walker


    So by “political savvy” you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?

     

    Is that really worse than living under Arab rule forever?

    Even Arabs don't want that!

    https://oxfamblogs.org/fp2p/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/syria-timeline-3million-refugees-oxfam_610nc.jpg

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope, @El Dato, @Pericles

    NB: Oxfam, a sleek, very well-fed organization known for its tax avoidance while piously hating tax avoidance, and screwing children.

    https://iea.org.uk/blog/oxfam-on-tax-avoidance-do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do

    http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/05/24/oxfam-is-not-a-tax-avoider/

    (“It’s not tax avoidance, we just use various loopholes in the tax laws to avoid paying taxes.”)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/oxfam-in-haiti-it-was-like-a-caligula-orgy-with-prostitutes-in-oxfam-t-shirts-p32wlk0rp

    Sounds a bit like what you hear Hillary and her gang was up to.

    Solid hypocrites who feed off the foolish.

  61. @Anon 2
    Whatever one thinks of Israel or the Jews, one must admit
    that their behavioral strategies have produced materialistic
    success in the last 700-800 years, and are beginning to be
    widely imitated (By the way, I'm not Jewish so I have no
    dog in this fight). These include:

    - Extreme tribalism and nepotism check
    - Claims of victimhood check
    - Demand for reparations check
    - Building a defensive wall on the check
    border
    - Avoidance of manual labor check
    Joan Rivers had a comedy routine where she said that every Jewish child is shown
    a book and told, "This is a book - good book!" and then shown a hammer and told
    "This is a hammer - bad hammer." Few things increase one's life expectancy as much
    as the avoidance of blue collar occupations (incl. police and military).
    - Catering to the base appetites of the population through gambling, pornography,
    prostitution (running bordellos, nightclubs, etc), trashy movies, trashy television, production
    and sale of alcohol (e.g. in the Pale of Settlement in Eastern Europe), sale of gold and diamonds,
    production and sale of drugs, licit and illicit, whether as physicians or drug
    dealers.

    For many people materialistic success may bring discontentment and a feeling of
    emptiness but if all you want is materialistic success, then following the Jewish
    example is likely to increase your chance of achieving your goal.

    Are people beginning to realize that Jewish tribalism is working (amply demonstrated,
    e.g., by Israel's latest declaration), and therefore are we likely to see growing closeness
    among and eventually an Association of White Countries (in which the Japanese, but not
    Chinese, might be considered honorary whites - once in Japan my tour guide told
    me in all seriousness that the Japanese are the only Asians who reincarnate as
    whites)?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Medvedev, @Jason Liu

    Israeli tribalism isn’t extreme. It’s fairly normal compared to the non-west, just more aggressive because they’re surrounded by enemies.

  62. @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    Are you truly so naive that you think King’s ‘strategy’ worked because of the brilliance of the strategy?

    King’s strategy worked because the WASP Elite and its Jewish BFFs demanded that it work, which they wanted because they each hated and feared white Middle America. The most conservative part of the country was the South. Easily the most unified group of whites was the white South. If you could destroy the unity of the South, its conservatism would begin to dilute. The combination would allow not merely the WASP Elite to once again divide and conquer, but allow its Jewish partner to lead in shoving the nation very hard to the left, which would permanently divide and conquer.

    • Agree: Mis(ter)Anthrope
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Jake

    Jake wrote to me:


    King’s strategy worked because the WASP Elite and its Jewish BFFs demanded that it work, which they wanted because they each hated and feared white Middle America.
     
    No. I grew up in the civil-rights era, in a conservative, lily-white suburb in a border state. Not a lot of "bleeding-heart liberals" around. I remember a lot of criticism of King, the civil-rights movement, etc. I remember when our area finally abandoned Jim Crow (I also remember trying to understand the logic of Jim Crow -- to a young kid, it just seemed weird).

    But, I also remember that even most of the very conservative, rather bigoted adults acknowledged that black folks were getting a raw deal.

    That is why the civil-rights movement triumphed -- because even most American adults knew that something was very wrong with race relations in this country, that the country was not honoring its founding documents (or the Civil War Amendments), and that something had to be done.

    Did we find the optimal solution? No, I suppose human beings rarely find the best solution to long-festering problems. But, believe me, the triumph of the civil-rights movement was due not to some elite conspiracy but to the fundamental decency of the vast majority of American adults, including quite a few who groused about the civil-rights movement.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymouse, @Mis(ter)Anthrope

  63. @Nigerian Nationalist

    In an incendiary move hailed as historic by Mr. Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition but denounced by centrists and leftists as racist and anti-democratic, Israel’s Parliament enacted a law that enshrines the right of national self-determination as “unique to the Jewish people” — not all citizens.
     
    As you can see, the problem isn't that Israel lacks a loony left, it's just that their Nationalist politicians combine competence with balls, unlike, well the USA given your constant complaints.

    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.

    Maybe look into Netanyanhu for the next Republican primary (:

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @Intelligent Dasein, @Altai, @Almost Missouri, @Anon

    Agree.

    Maybe you saw Steve’s posts that described Trump as the American Netanyahu?

    As others pointed out, the big media oppose other nationalists as fervently as they support Israeli nationalists, so the American Netanyahu must swim upstream against that torrent.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Almost Missouri


    Maybe you saw Steve’s posts that described Trump as the American Netanyahu?
     
    Except Netanhayu gets stuff done. Trump just talks the talk.
  64. About time. Now force the conversion to Judaism of all residents of Israel.

  65. I suppose America now needs to do the same thing, so no one stands out or feels embarrassed taking a shower at the locker room.

  66. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul
    I have long found it interesting how Jews handle the issue of whether it is "good for the Jews." With the exception of Israel, it seems, ethnic nationalism is largely considered a bad thing. Regarding Israel, though, Jewish nationalism is considered a good thing -- and the nationalism of the indigenous Palestinian people (formerly known as Canaanites) a bad thing.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy

    indigenous Palestinian people (formerly known as Canaanites)

    It pretty much doesn’t get any more historically ignorant than that. Do you actually not know anything about this history of ancient and recent migrations in that region, or are you just pretending not to?

    • Replies: @Paul
    @Anonymous

    I know more than you do about the absurd claims that the native Palestinians just showed up.

  67. Anonymous[612] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @Reg Cæsar

    Syrians fled their country because it was being terrorized by a group of fanatics financed by Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the good ole USA.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    Most Syrian civilians who fled for actual war reasons (not economic) did so because of violence carried out by the Assad regime, which is financed by Russia and Iran.

    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @Anonymous

    If that is true, it is because they supported the murderous thugs sent by the Israelis, Saudis, and the USA to destroy the Christian, Alawite, and Shia people in Syria. From the perspective of the Syrians people, you would have to say good riddance.

    Israel and Saudi Arabia should have taken them in since they (along with the USA) caused the mess.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  68. HA says:
    @L Woods
    @PhysicistDave

    I highly doubt Israelis are anywhere near as susceptible to organized guilt tripping as white gentiles.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @HA

    “I highly doubt Israelis are anywhere near as susceptible to organized guilt tripping as white gentiles.”

    That doesn’t matter. An Israel genuinely free from Palestinian/Hezbollah and other violence emanating from without would before long either grind to a halt from gridlock, or else erupt into a bloody Jewish civil war, if history is any guide. The only reason Israeli Jews have not started killing each other already is because they have a common outside enemy.

    They need the Palestinians (or some other suitable stand-ins) to remain, as much as they need the Palestinian leadership to continue being the feckless, bumbling idiots that they are.

    • Agree: Corn
    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @Corn
    @HA

    Remember Rabin’s assassin wasn’t a Palestinian terrorist but either a super-religious or West Bank settler advocate (or maybe he was both, can’t remember).

    If the Palestinian problem went away the divide between secular and religious would still be there.

  69. anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:

    The article contents point toward armed conflict. Prepare for more refugees, more taxes, more defense dollars.

  70. @Rob McX
    @Kirt


    Zionism, like Americanism, is a good illustration of the fact that nationalism always tends toward globalism by expansion of the area under the nation-state’s control, not necessarily the area within its borders.
     
    Not necessarily. Whatever about Israel, I don't see that America has any need to expand its influence. Its involvement in the Middle East has done nothing but harm to the US. Of course there's still Europe and NATO, but external alliances are necessary for the defence of any country.

    Replies: @Kirt

    You may not see a need for America to extend its influence, yet America continues to try to do so – not only in the Middle East, but increasingly in Africa in various bush wars which most Americans don’t even know about. Of course, America is often not successful due to the increased opposition it arouses, the fate of other would-be rulers of the world. Did I say world? I guess I should have said universe. The US now not only has a Space Command, but a Space Force. As far as external alliances being necessary for the defense of any country is concerned, NATO and other external alliances defend the US from no threat whatsoever; they are just an excuse to meddle in the affairs of other countries.

  71. @HA
    @L Woods

    "I highly doubt Israelis are anywhere near as susceptible to organized guilt tripping as white gentiles."


    That doesn't matter. An Israel genuinely free from Palestinian/Hezbollah and other violence emanating from without would before long either grind to a halt from gridlock, or else erupt into a bloody Jewish civil war, if history is any guide. The only reason Israeli Jews have not started killing each other already is because they have a common outside enemy.

    They need the Palestinians (or some other suitable stand-ins) to remain, as much as they need the Palestinian leadership to continue being the feckless, bumbling idiots that they are.

    Replies: @Corn

    Remember Rabin’s assassin wasn’t a Palestinian terrorist but either a super-religious or West Bank settler advocate (or maybe he was both, can’t remember).

    If the Palestinian problem went away the divide between secular and religious would still be there.

  72. @Anonymous
    @Kirt


    Nationalism will always tend to be imperialistic and expansionist unless checked by powerful outside influences.
     
    Israel itself proves this statement is false. It's been around for seven decades and now controls only slightly more territory now than it did when it was founded. It also conquered the Sinai and gave it back - twice. It occupied south Lebanon for decades, then gave it back, as well as Gaza for decades, and pulled out.

    Given its consistent record of military victory against its neighbors, if the Israelis(who are no doubt highly nationalistic by the standards of a developed country) really wanted to expand, annex and create a Greater Israel, they would have done so already. They'd need to pay a certain price in blood, treasure and diplomatic cover/military aid from the US, but it would be doable.

    Replies: @Kirt

    From the very beginning of the Zionist project, Israel has encountered heavy resistance to its expansion and it has not been consistently successful in wars against its neighbors. It was driven from tiny Lebanon by a long war of attrition waged by guerrilla forces which were simultaneously waging a war against local enemies, some of which were backed by Israel. In the most recent Lebanon war in 2006, the well dug in Hezbollah forces inflicted significant losses on the IDF, including scores of tanks and other armored vehicles. Hezbollah also rained down thousands of rockets on northern Israel, effectively shutting down the northern third of the country economically, though causing few casualties due to the excellent Israeli civil defense. Repeated Israeli invasions of Gaza have been without effect so they have mostly resorted to a near starvation blockade. They obviously cannot successfully occupy Gaza if there are very many Gazans left alive.

  73. @istevefan
    @International Jew


    Let’s play a game.
     
    How about we play a game where we keep track of Jewish members of Congress who demand that Israel not receive federal tax dollars so long as they pursue such nationalistic and discriminatory policies that don't reflect who we are?

    I bet there are more members of Congress, both Jew and Gentile BTW, who spoke out against Iceland's new law banning circumcision than we will see speaking out against this new Israeli law.

    I bet there are more members of Congress, both Jew and Gentile, who spoke out against Poland's new law about death camp nomenclature than we will see speaking out against this new Israeli law.

    Replies: @International Jew

    How about we play a game where we keep track of Jewish members of Congress

    …as he changes the subject.

    I bet there are more members of Congress, both Jew and Gentile BTW, who spoke out against Iceland’s new law banning circumcision than we will see speaking out against this new Israeli law.

    Ok, tell us how many spoke out against Iceland’s new law.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @International Jew


    Ok, tell us how many spoke out against Iceland’s new law.
     
    Here is a start.

    WASHINGTON — The leading Republican and Democrat on the US House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee have joined forces to urge Iceland to stand down from a proposed bill to ban circumcision.

    “While Jewish and Muslim populations in Iceland may be small, your country’s ban could be exploited by those who stoke xenophobia and anti-Semitism in countries with more diverse populations,” said a letter sent April 5 to the embassy of Iceland in Washington, DC by Congressmen Ed Royce, the Republican chairman of the committee, and Eliot Engel, its top Democrat.
     

    Replies: @International Jew

  74. Whichever. Should do domething similar here. Some of my ancestors had to learn English, so they did. No problem with making that the official language. They could have gone back to the Old Country, and Arabs have TWENTY-TWO Arab countries to go to if they don’t like Israel. Heck, there are Jews who left Israel to go countries their ancestors fled, such as Poland and Germany, because they got tired of the insane tax rates and dealing with the Ultra-Orths (who apparently can be quite a nuisance).

  75. @Paul
    I have long found it interesting how Jews handle the issue of whether it is "good for the Jews." With the exception of Israel, it seems, ethnic nationalism is largely considered a bad thing. Regarding Israel, though, Jewish nationalism is considered a good thing -- and the nationalism of the indigenous Palestinian people (formerly known as Canaanites) a bad thing.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy

    Formerly known as Philistines. Look at how Arabs transliterate it.

    • Replies: @Paul
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Formerly known as Canaanites, who did not just disappear.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  76. @Karl
    @Joe Walker

    8 Joe Walker > you mean that the Palestinians should reconcile themselves to living under Jewish rule forever?


    no, we mean that they should grab the 80% of "historic Palestine" that Britain used to create - - out of thin air.... the Kingdom of Jordan.... ruled by a Saudi family.

    Can you even point to Amman on a map, Joe?


    So Joe, did you know that RIGHT NOW, American infantry units are on the ground at Jordan's border with Syria, guarding the Jordanian regime?


    It's not secret, but it sure ain't publicized. They don't even mention in the American Forces Network weather reports, which calls out forecasts for pretty much EVERY American presence.

    If you had access to the (encrypted) AFN broadcasts, you'd know that, Joe.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Given what the Pallies did to that Jordanian pilot, there’s no love lost there. Much like someone’s comment below about Israel, of they didn’t have an outside enemy, they’d be killing each other off.

  77. @Almost Missouri
    @Nigerian Nationalist

    Agree.

    Maybe you saw Steve's posts that described Trump as the American Netanyahu?

    As others pointed out, the big media oppose other nationalists as fervently as they support Israeli nationalists, so the American Netanyahu must swim upstream against that torrent.

    Replies: @Anon

    Maybe you saw Steve’s posts that described Trump as the American Netanyahu?

    Except Netanhayu gets stuff done. Trump just talks the talk.

  78. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    @Joe Walker

    Well, we can see that the Jewish-owned New York Times is none too supportive of this move.

    Let’s play a game. You find a Jewish-owned media outlet that supports this new law, and I’ll match that with a Jewish-owned media outlet that doesn’t support it. We’ll add up their subscribers/viewers to keep score.

    I’ve already taken my turn actually; I said “New York Times”. 500,000 print subscribers, 2,500,000 digital subscribers. Your turn, Joe.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous, @istevefan, @Anon, @Anonymous

    Here, according to the Jerusalem Post, are the top 5 most egregious anti-Israel headlines of 2016:

    TOP 5 MOST EGREGIOUS ANTI-ISRAEL HEADLINES IN THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA

    https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Top-5-most-egregious-anti-Israel-headlines-in-the-international-media-464351

    1. “Tel Aviv shooting: Three killed in attack in shopping center” (BBC)

    2. “3 Palestinians killed as daily violence grinds on.” (CBS)

    3. “4 Israelis, 2 Palestinians dead in Jerusalem” (CNN)

    4. “Palestinian shot dead after fatal stabbing in Jerusalem; 2 Israeli victims also killed” (Al Jazeera)

    5. “Jordan slams Israel after radical Jews visit Islamic holy site” (AFP)

    The international media is really out to get you, all right. They’re so fanatically anti-Israel they even changed some of these headlines after receiving criticism from their audience. That blasted anti-Israel media– what white-hot hate they exhibit.

    And before you accuse me of changing the subject, think carefully about the nature of the subject.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon

    (originally from frequent commenter "utu": https://www.unz.com/akarlin/netanyahu-was-in-moscow-so-what/#comment-2326115)

    , @International Jew
    @Anon


    And before you accuse me of changing the subject, think carefully about the nature of the subject.
     
    I take "the subject" to be the claim "Joe Walker" made: "much of the global media is Jewish-owned and therefore biased towards Israel".

    Even if, as you wish to argue, the world media is not biased against Israel, that does not imply it's biased toward Israel.

    (And as a secondary matter, you seem to misunderstand what jpost.com found objectionable about those headlines.)

    Replies: @Anon, @istevefan

  79. This is a good one:

    Parliamentary candidate for Sweden’s feminist party suggests deporting all Jews from Israel:

    https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/07/parliamentary-candidate-for-swedens-feminist-party-suggests-deporting-all-jews-from-israel/

  80. @Anon
    @International Jew

    Here, according to the Jerusalem Post, are the top 5 most egregious anti-Israel headlines of 2016:


    TOP 5 MOST EGREGIOUS ANTI-ISRAEL HEADLINES IN THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA

    https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Top-5-most-egregious-anti-Israel-headlines-in-the-international-media-464351

    1. “Tel Aviv shooting: Three killed in attack in shopping center” (BBC)

    2. “3 Palestinians killed as daily violence grinds on.” (CBS)

    3. “4 Israelis, 2 Palestinians dead in Jerusalem” (CNN)

    4. “Palestinian shot dead after fatal stabbing in Jerusalem; 2 Israeli victims also killed” (Al Jazeera)

    5. “Jordan slams Israel after radical Jews visit Islamic holy site” (AFP)
     
    The international media is really out to get you, all right. They're so fanatically anti-Israel they even changed some of these headlines after receiving criticism from their audience. That blasted anti-Israel media-- what white-hot hate they exhibit.

    And before you accuse me of changing the subject, think carefully about the nature of the subject.

    Replies: @Anon, @International Jew

  81. @Nigerian Nationalist

    In an incendiary move hailed as historic by Mr. Netanyahu’s right-wing coalition but denounced by centrists and leftists as racist and anti-democratic, Israel’s Parliament enacted a law that enshrines the right of national self-determination as “unique to the Jewish people” — not all citizens.
     
    As you can see, the problem isn't that Israel lacks a loony left, it's just that their Nationalist politicians combine competence with balls, unlike, well the USA given your constant complaints.

    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.

    Maybe look into Netanyanhu for the next Republican primary (:

    Replies: @Joe Walker, @Intelligent Dasein, @Altai, @Almost Missouri, @Anon

    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.

    Shouldn’t we be happier if Palestine were liberated from the interlopers and became a sovereign state?

  82. @Anon
    @International Jew

    Here, according to the Jerusalem Post, are the top 5 most egregious anti-Israel headlines of 2016:


    TOP 5 MOST EGREGIOUS ANTI-ISRAEL HEADLINES IN THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA

    https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Top-5-most-egregious-anti-Israel-headlines-in-the-international-media-464351

    1. “Tel Aviv shooting: Three killed in attack in shopping center” (BBC)

    2. “3 Palestinians killed as daily violence grinds on.” (CBS)

    3. “4 Israelis, 2 Palestinians dead in Jerusalem” (CNN)

    4. “Palestinian shot dead after fatal stabbing in Jerusalem; 2 Israeli victims also killed” (Al Jazeera)

    5. “Jordan slams Israel after radical Jews visit Islamic holy site” (AFP)
     
    The international media is really out to get you, all right. They're so fanatically anti-Israel they even changed some of these headlines after receiving criticism from their audience. That blasted anti-Israel media-- what white-hot hate they exhibit.

    And before you accuse me of changing the subject, think carefully about the nature of the subject.

    Replies: @Anon, @International Jew

    And before you accuse me of changing the subject, think carefully about the nature of the subject.

    I take “the subject” to be the claim “Joe Walker” made: “much of the global media is Jewish-owned and therefore biased towards Israel”.

    Even if, as you wish to argue, the world media is not biased against Israel, that does not imply it’s biased toward Israel.

    (And as a secondary matter, you seem to misunderstand what jpost.com found objectionable about those headlines.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    @International Jew


    you seem to misunderstand what jpost.com found objectionable about those headlines.
     
    No, I don't think so.

    In my interpretation a subject cannot be a claim, but must be a topic, so here the nature of media coverage of Israel and the degree of corresponding bias, and possibly secondarily the position of Israel in mainstream American discourse.

    Anyway if you follow the discussion of the article in the UR link you will probably find some of what you want to say anticipated.

    , @istevefan
    @International Jew


    Even if, as you wish to argue, the world media is not biased against Israel, that does not imply it’s biasedtoward Israel.
     
    Even if this were true it would still be a tremendous advantage for Israel. To not have the world's media continually scrutinize and attack everything you do would be a huge help to like-minded folks in European lands who essentially wish for themselves what the Israelis have for themselves.

    Replies: @International Jew

  83. istevefan says:
    @International Jew
    @istevefan


    How about we play a game where we keep track of Jewish members of Congress
     
    ...as he changes the subject.

    I bet there are more members of Congress, both Jew and Gentile BTW, who spoke out against Iceland’s new law banning circumcision than we will see speaking out against this new Israeli law.
     
    Ok, tell us how many spoke out against Iceland's new law.

    Replies: @istevefan

    Ok, tell us how many spoke out against Iceland’s new law.

    Here is a start.

    WASHINGTON — The leading Republican and Democrat on the US House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee have joined forces to urge Iceland to stand down from a proposed bill to ban circumcision.

    “While Jewish and Muslim populations in Iceland may be small, your country’s ban could be exploited by those who stoke xenophobia and anti-Semitism in countries with more diverse populations,” said a letter sent April 5 to the embassy of Iceland in Washington, DC by Congressmen Ed Royce, the Republican chairman of the committee, and Eliot Engel, its top Democrat.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @istevefan

    So, the answer is 2.

    Replies: @istevefan

  84. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    @Anon


    And before you accuse me of changing the subject, think carefully about the nature of the subject.
     
    I take "the subject" to be the claim "Joe Walker" made: "much of the global media is Jewish-owned and therefore biased towards Israel".

    Even if, as you wish to argue, the world media is not biased against Israel, that does not imply it's biased toward Israel.

    (And as a secondary matter, you seem to misunderstand what jpost.com found objectionable about those headlines.)

    Replies: @Anon, @istevefan

    you seem to misunderstand what jpost.com found objectionable about those headlines.

    No, I don’t think so.

    In my interpretation a subject cannot be a claim, but must be a topic, so here the nature of media coverage of Israel and the degree of corresponding bias, and possibly secondarily the position of Israel in mainstream American discourse.

    Anyway if you follow the discussion of the article in the UR link you will probably find some of what you want to say anticipated.

  85. istevefan says:
    @International Jew
    @Anon


    And before you accuse me of changing the subject, think carefully about the nature of the subject.
     
    I take "the subject" to be the claim "Joe Walker" made: "much of the global media is Jewish-owned and therefore biased towards Israel".

    Even if, as you wish to argue, the world media is not biased against Israel, that does not imply it's biased toward Israel.

    (And as a secondary matter, you seem to misunderstand what jpost.com found objectionable about those headlines.)

    Replies: @Anon, @istevefan

    Even if, as you wish to argue, the world media is not biased against Israel, that does not imply it’s biasedtoward Israel.

    Even if this were true it would still be a tremendous advantage for Israel. To not have the world’s media continually scrutinize and attack everything you do would be a huge help to like-minded folks in European lands who essentially wish for themselves what the Israelis have for themselves.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @istevefan

    I just Googled "Benjamin Netanyahu" and got 13.4 million hits. I Googled "Marine Le Pen" and got 11.5 million.

    Now what were you saying about some advantage to not having the world media scrutinize you?

    Replies: @istevefan

  86. GSR says:

    The idea that people are vastly different races/cultures can live peaceably with one another within the same nation is absurd and goes against hundreds if not thousands of years of human experience.

    Only left-liberal “progressives” are that naive to think it can work.

    The USA is headed for a break-up.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @GSR

    I think we are on a Latin American path with a mixed race population and a hostile elite, high corruption, less rule of law, and a weak currency.

  87. @Anonymous
    @Paul


    indigenous Palestinian people (formerly known as Canaanites)
     
    It pretty much doesn't get any more historically ignorant than that. Do you actually not know anything about this history of ancient and recent migrations in that region, or are you just pretending not to?

    Replies: @Paul

    I know more than you do about the absurd claims that the native Palestinians just showed up.

  88. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Paul

    Formerly known as Philistines. Look at how Arabs transliterate it.

    Replies: @Paul

    Formerly known as Canaanites, who did not just disappear.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Paul

    According to a PBS special (I know, not the most reliable), former Egyptian slaves didn't "arrive" in Canaan; they were there all along. Parts of it were Egyptian territory with enslaved locals.

    Truth is--as genetic matches for organ transplants show-- Jews and Palestinians are closely related. They may hate that fact and each other, but the Isaac/Ishmael story may be more than just another unverifiable Bible story.

  89. @istevefan
    @International Jew


    Even if, as you wish to argue, the world media is not biased against Israel, that does not imply it’s biasedtoward Israel.
     
    Even if this were true it would still be a tremendous advantage for Israel. To not have the world's media continually scrutinize and attack everything you do would be a huge help to like-minded folks in European lands who essentially wish for themselves what the Israelis have for themselves.

    Replies: @International Jew

    I just Googled “Benjamin Netanyahu” and got 13.4 million hits. I Googled “Marine Le Pen” and got 11.5 million.

    Now what were you saying about some advantage to not having the world media scrutinize you?

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @International Jew


    I just Googled “Benjamin Netanyahu” and got 13.4 million hits. I Googled “Marine Le Pen” and got 11.5 million.

    Now what were you saying about some advantage to not having the world media scrutinize you?
     

    You did not quote me quite right. I wrote,

    Even if this were true it would still be a tremendous advantage for Israel. To not have the world’s media continually scrutinize and attack everything you do would be a huge help to like-minded folks in European lands who essentially wish for themselves what the Israelis have for themselves.
     
    Scrutinize AND attack being the key words there.

    I will accept your googling results that Netanyahu got 13.4 million hits and Le Pen got 11.5 million. But I would be quite surprised if Netanyahu receives anywhere near the amount of negative attacks that Le Pen does.

    Replies: @Anon

  90. @istevefan
    @International Jew


    Ok, tell us how many spoke out against Iceland’s new law.
     
    Here is a start.

    WASHINGTON — The leading Republican and Democrat on the US House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee have joined forces to urge Iceland to stand down from a proposed bill to ban circumcision.

    “While Jewish and Muslim populations in Iceland may be small, your country’s ban could be exploited by those who stoke xenophobia and anti-Semitism in countries with more diverse populations,” said a letter sent April 5 to the embassy of Iceland in Washington, DC by Congressmen Ed Royce, the Republican chairman of the committee, and Eliot Engel, its top Democrat.
     

    Replies: @International Jew

    So, the answer is 2.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @International Jew


    So, the answer is 2.
     
    Two were reported in that one article. But consider those two just happen to be the ranking majority and minority members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee . I think it is safe to assume they consulted with other members of this committee at a minimum and those members were probably in agreement.

    Additionally the article states that these ranking members of the Foreign Affairs Committee sent a letter to the Icelandic embassy urging them to get their government to stop the new legislation.

    Will such a letter from the House Foreign Affairs Committee be sent to Israel over the law discussed in this post?
  91. @Anonymous
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Most Syrian civilians who fled for actual war reasons (not economic) did so because of violence carried out by the Assad regime, which is financed by Russia and Iran.

    Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    If that is true, it is because they supported the murderous thugs sent by the Israelis, Saudis, and the USA to destroy the Christian, Alawite, and Shia people in Syria. From the perspective of the Syrians people, you would have to say good riddance.

    Israel and Saudi Arabia should have taken them in since they (along with the USA) caused the mess.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Israel should definitely take in Christian refugees, as opposed to Muslim. It would not only make for good public relations, but supply them with a better form of "diversity." Bluntly, Christians make better citizens.

    Replies: @Paul

  92. @Paul
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Formerly known as Canaanites, who did not just disappear.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    According to a PBS special (I know, not the most reliable), former Egyptian slaves didn’t “arrive” in Canaan; they were there all along. Parts of it were Egyptian territory with enslaved locals.

    Truth is–as genetic matches for organ transplants show– Jews and Palestinians are closely related. They may hate that fact and each other, but the Isaac/Ishmael story may be more than just another unverifiable Bible story.

  93. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @Anonymous

    If that is true, it is because they supported the murderous thugs sent by the Israelis, Saudis, and the USA to destroy the Christian, Alawite, and Shia people in Syria. From the perspective of the Syrians people, you would have to say good riddance.

    Israel and Saudi Arabia should have taken them in since they (along with the USA) caused the mess.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Israel should definitely take in Christian refugees, as opposed to Muslim. It would not only make for good public relations, but supply them with a better form of “diversity.” Bluntly, Christians make better citizens.

    • Replies: @Paul
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Many Palestinians have been Christians (Edward Said, Hanan Ashrawi, and many others) but that does not make them pro-Zionist. I do not think Israel wants more Christians.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  94. @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    You’ve got to have serious impulse control to make the nonviolent strategy work.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @MBlanc46

    MBlanc46 wrote to me:


    You’ve got to have serious impulse control to make the nonviolent strategy work.
     
    Or politically savvy leadership. Not everyone followed MLK's lead. But enough did to make it work.
  95. Those who want more detail on Palestine’s history can take a look at Norman Finkelstein’s book Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict. It is a takedown of Joan Peters’ history of the subect. Also, Christopher Hitchens and Edward Said’s book Blaming the Victims: Spurious Scholarship and the Palestinian Question has material of interest.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Paul

    Ilan Pappe's Ten Myths about Israel is also good.

    , @Obsessive Contrarian
    @Paul

    There was never a Palestine.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  96. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Israel should definitely take in Christian refugees, as opposed to Muslim. It would not only make for good public relations, but supply them with a better form of "diversity." Bluntly, Christians make better citizens.

    Replies: @Paul

    Many Palestinians have been Christians (Edward Said, Hanan Ashrawi, and many others) but that does not make them pro-Zionist. I do not think Israel wants more Christians.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Paul

    They may not want them, but they'd be better off with them, even if they aren't Zionist.

  97. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    @Joe Walker

    Well, we can see that the Jewish-owned New York Times is none too supportive of this move.

    Let’s play a game. You find a Jewish-owned media outlet that supports this new law, and I’ll match that with a Jewish-owned media outlet that doesn’t support it. We’ll add up their subscribers/viewers to keep score.

    I’ve already taken my turn actually; I said “New York Times”. 500,000 print subscribers, 2,500,000 digital subscribers. Your turn, Joe.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Anonymous, @istevefan, @Anon, @Anonymous

    https://twitter.com/AlexEmmons/status/1020298540382326784

  98. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul
    Those who want more detail on Palestine's history can take a look at Norman Finkelstein's book Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict. It is a takedown of Joan Peters' history of the subect. Also, Christopher Hitchens and Edward Said's book Blaming the Victims: Spurious Scholarship and the Palestinian Question has material of interest.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Obsessive Contrarian

    Ilan Pappe’s Ten Myths about Israel is also good.

  99. @Altai
    @Nigerian Nationalist


    Be happy for the Israelis, more nationalism everywhere ultimately ends up a win for everyone.
     
    Depends on if said nationalism comes with respect for ones neighbours. (Israel isn't very good at that) What's really happening is the US has absorbed a notion that it's simply wrong for Western countries to protect their ethnic homogeneity and this morality has seeped into the rest of the Western world.

    Think of it this way, Western Europeans now have collective identities that if it were a person would be depressed and lacking self-confidence. (At least in part now because a sudden influx of non-natives in every Western European country means people are afraid of offending them with native ethnic pride) Israel doesn't have a problem with low collective self-esteem, it's got far too much.

    It's the difference between a depressed person being taken advantage of needing to be more self-assertive and confident and a psychopath who views others as things he can take advantage of. The psychopath doesn't need more freedom to engage in his selfish ends.

    The ethnocentric Polish or Croat living in London isn't interested in promoting the interests of the native population. And a more ethnocentric Israeli really isn't.

    Replies: @Obsessive Contrarian

    “Depends on if said nationalism comes with respect for ones neighbours. (Israel isn’t very good at that)”

    They are better at it than most. No wars with any of their neighbors except terrorist orgs that occupy Gaza and S. Lebanon (the latter war over kidnapping soldiers).

    Total peace w/both Egypt and Jordan.

  100. @Paul
    Those who want more detail on Palestine's history can take a look at Norman Finkelstein's book Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict. It is a takedown of Joan Peters' history of the subect. Also, Christopher Hitchens and Edward Said's book Blaming the Victims: Spurious Scholarship and the Palestinian Question has material of interest.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Obsessive Contrarian

    There was never a Palestine.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Obsessive Contrarian

    Took all of five minutes to figure you out.

    Oh and BTW

    https://img.raremaps.com/large/32896.jpg

    One of thousands

  101. istevefan says:
    @International Jew
    @istevefan

    So, the answer is 2.

    Replies: @istevefan

    So, the answer is 2.

    Two were reported in that one article. But consider those two just happen to be the ranking majority and minority members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee . I think it is safe to assume they consulted with other members of this committee at a minimum and those members were probably in agreement.

    Additionally the article states that these ranking members of the Foreign Affairs Committee sent a letter to the Icelandic embassy urging them to get their government to stop the new legislation.

    Will such a letter from the House Foreign Affairs Committee be sent to Israel over the law discussed in this post?

  102. istevefan says:
    @International Jew
    @istevefan

    I just Googled "Benjamin Netanyahu" and got 13.4 million hits. I Googled "Marine Le Pen" and got 11.5 million.

    Now what were you saying about some advantage to not having the world media scrutinize you?

    Replies: @istevefan

    I just Googled “Benjamin Netanyahu” and got 13.4 million hits. I Googled “Marine Le Pen” and got 11.5 million.

    Now what were you saying about some advantage to not having the world media scrutinize you?

    You did not quote me quite right. I wrote,

    Even if this were true it would still be a tremendous advantage for Israel. To not have the world’s media continually scrutinize and attack everything you do would be a huge help to like-minded folks in European lands who essentially wish for themselves what the Israelis have for themselves.

    Scrutinize AND attack being the key words there.

    I will accept your googling results that Netanyahu got 13.4 million hits and Le Pen got 11.5 million. But I would be quite surprised if Netanyahu receives anywhere near the amount of negative attacks that Le Pen does.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @istevefan

    Also:

    Marine le Pen is not the Prime Minister of anything. A more sensible comparison would be between her and, say, Naftali Bennett. When I search for "Naftali Bennett", Google tells me there are approximately 756K hits. Of course Google also tells me "Marine le Pen" has approximately 11M hits (not 11.5M).

    Of course, I'm not sure to what extent these numbers are relevant to anything or even correct to an order of magnitude. See https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/UfwBwjRbRmw

  103. @El Dato
    @Reg Cæsar

    > Unsubtly implying Arab Rule is Worst Rule
    > Gaslighting poster by Oxfam ("How many more before this stops" ... before WHAT stops?) as explanation.
    > Both of the above unsubtly implying that Syrian are leaving because of Arab Rule.

    Are you Jewish?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Are you Jewish?

    No, but my Savior was.

  104. @Jake
    @PhysicistDave

    Are you truly so naive that you think King's 'strategy' worked because of the brilliance of the strategy?

    King's strategy worked because the WASP Elite and its Jewish BFFs demanded that it work, which they wanted because they each hated and feared white Middle America. The most conservative part of the country was the South. Easily the most unified group of whites was the white South. If you could destroy the unity of the South, its conservatism would begin to dilute. The combination would allow not merely the WASP Elite to once again divide and conquer, but allow its Jewish partner to lead in shoving the nation very hard to the left, which would permanently divide and conquer.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Jake wrote to me:

    King’s strategy worked because the WASP Elite and its Jewish BFFs demanded that it work, which they wanted because they each hated and feared white Middle America.

    No. I grew up in the civil-rights era, in a conservative, lily-white suburb in a border state. Not a lot of “bleeding-heart liberals” around. I remember a lot of criticism of King, the civil-rights movement, etc. I remember when our area finally abandoned Jim Crow (I also remember trying to understand the logic of Jim Crow — to a young kid, it just seemed weird).

    But, I also remember that even most of the very conservative, rather bigoted adults acknowledged that black folks were getting a raw deal.

    That is why the civil-rights movement triumphed — because even most American adults knew that something was very wrong with race relations in this country, that the country was not honoring its founding documents (or the Civil War Amendments), and that something had to be done.

    Did we find the optimal solution? No, I suppose human beings rarely find the best solution to long-festering problems. But, believe me, the triumph of the civil-rights movement was due not to some elite conspiracy but to the fundamental decency of the vast majority of American adults, including quite a few who groused about the civil-rights movement.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @PhysicistDave

    But why did you think that, when your parents' generation had thought something else? Perhaps it was because the means through which your view of the world was filtered had this bias (in this case, I think, a bias towards the right side)? Do you consider whether the youth on your campus concoct their political opinions out of a personal examination of the right on each side of an issue, or whether some other factors are relevant?

    , @Anonymouse
    @PhysicistDave

    You know that because you were there. Many commenters must be too young to remember the 60s.
    And many have a jewish question issue, so it must have been the jews. Silliness on stilts.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon

    , @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @PhysicistDave

    No. I grew up in the civil-rights era, in a conservative, lily-white suburb in a border state. 

    It was easy to sell the civil rights agenda to people who had no interaction with negroes. Most white people in the South were around negroes on a daily basis and thus much more aware of reality. Turned out white Southerners were right.

    I was a young boy at the time and was bussed to majority negro schools in the South as a result of MLK'S "dream." For me, the dream turned out to be a nightmare.

    Replies: @Anon

  105. @MBlanc46
    @PhysicistDave

    You’ve got to have serious impulse control to make the nonviolent strategy work.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    MBlanc46 wrote to me:

    You’ve got to have serious impulse control to make the nonviolent strategy work.

    Or politically savvy leadership. Not everyone followed MLK’s lead. But enough did to make it work.

  106. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    @International Jew


    I just Googled “Benjamin Netanyahu” and got 13.4 million hits. I Googled “Marine Le Pen” and got 11.5 million.

    Now what were you saying about some advantage to not having the world media scrutinize you?
     

    You did not quote me quite right. I wrote,

    Even if this were true it would still be a tremendous advantage for Israel. To not have the world’s media continually scrutinize and attack everything you do would be a huge help to like-minded folks in European lands who essentially wish for themselves what the Israelis have for themselves.
     
    Scrutinize AND attack being the key words there.

    I will accept your googling results that Netanyahu got 13.4 million hits and Le Pen got 11.5 million. But I would be quite surprised if Netanyahu receives anywhere near the amount of negative attacks that Le Pen does.

    Replies: @Anon

    Also:

    Marine le Pen is not the Prime Minister of anything. A more sensible comparison would be between her and, say, Naftali Bennett. When I search for “Naftali Bennett”, Google tells me there are approximately 756K hits. Of course Google also tells me “Marine le Pen” has approximately 11M hits (not 11.5M).

    Of course, I’m not sure to what extent these numbers are relevant to anything or even correct to an order of magnitude. See https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/websearch/UfwBwjRbRmw

  107. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave
    @Jake

    Jake wrote to me:


    King’s strategy worked because the WASP Elite and its Jewish BFFs demanded that it work, which they wanted because they each hated and feared white Middle America.
     
    No. I grew up in the civil-rights era, in a conservative, lily-white suburb in a border state. Not a lot of "bleeding-heart liberals" around. I remember a lot of criticism of King, the civil-rights movement, etc. I remember when our area finally abandoned Jim Crow (I also remember trying to understand the logic of Jim Crow -- to a young kid, it just seemed weird).

    But, I also remember that even most of the very conservative, rather bigoted adults acknowledged that black folks were getting a raw deal.

    That is why the civil-rights movement triumphed -- because even most American adults knew that something was very wrong with race relations in this country, that the country was not honoring its founding documents (or the Civil War Amendments), and that something had to be done.

    Did we find the optimal solution? No, I suppose human beings rarely find the best solution to long-festering problems. But, believe me, the triumph of the civil-rights movement was due not to some elite conspiracy but to the fundamental decency of the vast majority of American adults, including quite a few who groused about the civil-rights movement.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymouse, @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    But why did you think that, when your parents’ generation had thought something else? Perhaps it was because the means through which your view of the world was filtered had this bias (in this case, I think, a bias towards the right side)? Do you consider whether the youth on your campus concoct their political opinions out of a personal examination of the right on each side of an issue, or whether some other factors are relevant?

  108. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @PhysicistDave

    As George Orwell pointed out, while Gandhi may be a saint, his political strategy and tactics are unlikely to succeed when one's opponents are ruthless, amoral thugs and, at this point, a large plurality, perhaps a majority, of Israeli Jews have demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that they are indeed ruthless, amoral thugs.

    Replies: @Flip

    “Then he [Hitler] launched into a tirade for the benefit of the former British Viceroy of India about what to about Great Britain’s current problems in that unhappy land: “Shoot Gandhi! If that does not suffice to reduce them to submission, shoot a dozen leading members of Congress, and if that does not suffice, shoot 200 and so on until order is established.”

    Lord Halifax on his meeting with Hitler in 1937.

  109. @GSR
    The idea that people are vastly different races/cultures can live peaceably with one another within the same nation is absurd and goes against hundreds if not thousands of years of human experience.

    Only left-liberal "progressives" are that naive to think it can work.

    The USA is headed for a break-up.

    Replies: @Flip

    I think we are on a Latin American path with a mixed race population and a hostile elite, high corruption, less rule of law, and a weak currency.

  110. @Paul
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Many Palestinians have been Christians (Edward Said, Hanan Ashrawi, and many others) but that does not make them pro-Zionist. I do not think Israel wants more Christians.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    They may not want them, but they’d be better off with them, even if they aren’t Zionist.

  111. @PhysicistDave
    @Jake

    Jake wrote to me:


    King’s strategy worked because the WASP Elite and its Jewish BFFs demanded that it work, which they wanted because they each hated and feared white Middle America.
     
    No. I grew up in the civil-rights era, in a conservative, lily-white suburb in a border state. Not a lot of "bleeding-heart liberals" around. I remember a lot of criticism of King, the civil-rights movement, etc. I remember when our area finally abandoned Jim Crow (I also remember trying to understand the logic of Jim Crow -- to a young kid, it just seemed weird).

    But, I also remember that even most of the very conservative, rather bigoted adults acknowledged that black folks were getting a raw deal.

    That is why the civil-rights movement triumphed -- because even most American adults knew that something was very wrong with race relations in this country, that the country was not honoring its founding documents (or the Civil War Amendments), and that something had to be done.

    Did we find the optimal solution? No, I suppose human beings rarely find the best solution to long-festering problems. But, believe me, the triumph of the civil-rights movement was due not to some elite conspiracy but to the fundamental decency of the vast majority of American adults, including quite a few who groused about the civil-rights movement.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymouse, @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    You know that because you were there. Many commenters must be too young to remember the 60s.
    And many have a jewish question issue, so it must have been the jews. Silliness on stilts.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymouse


    Many commenters must be too young to remember the 60s.
     
    Are you sure you have the right webzine? I bet at least 10% of the commenters here can remember the 40s.
    , @Anon
    @Anonymouse

    Ah, but who was producing the media they consumed? Who was in the academic and intellectual circles that were generating the country's moral narratives?

  112. @Anonymouse
    @PhysicistDave

    You know that because you were there. Many commenters must be too young to remember the 60s.
    And many have a jewish question issue, so it must have been the jews. Silliness on stilts.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon

    Many commenters must be too young to remember the 60s.

    Are you sure you have the right webzine? I bet at least 10% of the commenters here can remember the 40s.

  113. @Anonymouse
    @PhysicistDave

    You know that because you were there. Many commenters must be too young to remember the 60s.
    And many have a jewish question issue, so it must have been the jews. Silliness on stilts.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anon

    Ah, but who was producing the media they consumed? Who was in the academic and intellectual circles that were generating the country’s moral narratives?

  114. @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    “If the Palestinians had any political savvy, ”

    They wouldn’t be Palestinian.

  115. @PhysicistDave
    @Jake

    Jake wrote to me:


    King’s strategy worked because the WASP Elite and its Jewish BFFs demanded that it work, which they wanted because they each hated and feared white Middle America.
     
    No. I grew up in the civil-rights era, in a conservative, lily-white suburb in a border state. Not a lot of "bleeding-heart liberals" around. I remember a lot of criticism of King, the civil-rights movement, etc. I remember when our area finally abandoned Jim Crow (I also remember trying to understand the logic of Jim Crow -- to a young kid, it just seemed weird).

    But, I also remember that even most of the very conservative, rather bigoted adults acknowledged that black folks were getting a raw deal.

    That is why the civil-rights movement triumphed -- because even most American adults knew that something was very wrong with race relations in this country, that the country was not honoring its founding documents (or the Civil War Amendments), and that something had to be done.

    Did we find the optimal solution? No, I suppose human beings rarely find the best solution to long-festering problems. But, believe me, the triumph of the civil-rights movement was due not to some elite conspiracy but to the fundamental decency of the vast majority of American adults, including quite a few who groused about the civil-rights movement.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymouse, @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    No. I grew up in the civil-rights era, in a conservative, lily-white suburb in a border state. 

    It was easy to sell the civil rights agenda to people who had no interaction with negroes. Most white people in the South were around negroes on a daily basis and thus much more aware of reality. Turned out white Southerners were right.

    I was a young boy at the time and was bussed to majority negro schools in the South as a result of MLK’S “dream.” For me, the dream turned out to be a nightmare.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope


    It was easy to sell the civil rights agenda to people who had no interaction with negroes.
     
    This.
  116. @PhysicistDave
    If the Palestinians had any political savvy, they would model themselves on Martin Luther King (I have mixed feelings about King, but, politically speaking, his strategy worked): cut out the terrorism and become peaceful martyrs. Simply demand equal civil rights and cut out the demands for a Palestinian homeland. Push for a "one-state solution" with true and complete equality under law.

    Unfortunately, political savvy does not seem a common trait among Palestinian leaders.

    Replies: @L Woods, @Joe Walker, @Jus' Sayin'..., @cf, @attilathehen, @Emblematic, @Rob McX, @Samuel Skinner, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jake, @MBlanc46, @Obsessive Contrarian, @Alden

    MLK had the full support of:

    1 The federal government

    2 governments of all states but 11

    3 national and local media including the big Atlanta Newspaper.

    4 the military which didn’t like the segregated housing, schools buses and other civilian segregated facilities around its numerous southern bases

    5 the leadership of the big northern cities That was partly revenge for the hordes of Orcs that descended in the cities during the great migration

    6 hundreds of heavily Jewish heavily left northern and western do gooders

    7. Academia at all levels. Northern children were taught about lunching and segregation in grade and high school American history classes

    Northern college professors organized all those freedom rides and demonstrations

    8 millions of dollars in non government money from numerous do gooder groups, from League of Women Voters to of course AJC ADL ACLU

    Presidents Eisenhower Kennedy and Johnson and the State Department felt it was time because it was the height of the Cold War and soviet propaganda was non stop KKK lunching and burning blacks at the stake. Western Europe was inundated with Soviet propaganda about this.

    When first Ghana and then other African colonies became independent they of course sent ambassadors and staff to Washington with their begging bowls there were a lot of worries about segregation in Maryland and Virginia.

    MLK was just a somewhat respectable front man for the federal government.

    It was similar to the gay marriage and transgender bathroom boys on girls sports thing. The government media and establishment wanted it. So it happened.

  117. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    @PhysicistDave

    No. I grew up in the civil-rights era, in a conservative, lily-white suburb in a border state. 

    It was easy to sell the civil rights agenda to people who had no interaction with negroes. Most white people in the South were around negroes on a daily basis and thus much more aware of reality. Turned out white Southerners were right.

    I was a young boy at the time and was bussed to majority negro schools in the South as a result of MLK'S "dream." For me, the dream turned out to be a nightmare.

    Replies: @Anon

    It was easy to sell the civil rights agenda to people who had no interaction with negroes.

    This.

  118. @Obsessive Contrarian
    @Paul

    There was never a Palestine.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Took all of five minutes to figure you out.

    Oh and BTW

    One of thousands

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