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My review of the new film The Irishman is up at Taki’s Magazine:

by Steve Sailer

November 06, 2019

Martin Scorsese is trending on Twitter for denouncing superhero movies as being more like theme parks than films because “Cinema is an art form that brings you the unexpected.” And yet the director’s The Irishman proves that the expected can have its cinematic pleasures.

Imagine the best possible gangster movie that Marty Scorsese could make in his later 70s. Well, The Irishman is it, Scorsese’s autumnal reprise of his peak 1990 film, GoodFellas, reuniting the old gang of Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci from Raging Bull and Casino, while adding a likable Al Pacino (in, after all these years, his first Scorsese film) as doomed Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa.

Immensely long at three hours and thirty minutes, The Irishman still held my attention all the way through despite its lack of novelty. This is the best talent of the 1970s getting together in 2019 for one last hurrah…and not disappointing.

Read the whole thing there.

Pacino & De Niro

One more bit:

The digital de-aging process doesn’t really work yet: De Niro starts the movie, when his character is supposed to be in his early 30s, looking about 55 rather than his current 76. While De Niro is no doubt spry for his age, Scorsese’s insistence that the 5’9″ star awkwardly clomp around in huge platform shoes to imitate his character’s 6’4″ height doesn’t help the de-aging effect.

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  1. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:

    Any comment on Richard Spencer?

    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @Cucksworth
  2. I would of thought he’d go for younger guys and forego the de-aging stuff. Its best left to the comic book movies and guys like Will Smith.
    Scorcese should be, age notwithstanding, finding the new DeNiros,as we’re a bit tired of the old one.

  3. @Father O'Hara

    Scorsese has his new De Niro: Leonardo DiCaprio. They’re supposedly making a Teddy Roosevelt biopic right now. Which, admit it, you’ll eventually watch.

  4. Duke84 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    At one time they had planned to make a movie version of Devil in the White City with DiCaprio as serial killer H.H. Holmes.Don’t know whatever became of that.

    • Replies: @flyingtiger
  5. bartolo1 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Afraid not Steve. Both DICaprio and De Niro have become so creepy as real people, it is hard to

    stomach them in the make believe world of cinema.

    Boy was I a big De Niro fan. And then he started telling us what was really on his mind.

    Any interview of De Niro is stellar in how boring he is and now, the Trump hate routine.

    And the Jungle Fever stuff……………no thanks.

    • Agree: Kylie, Clyde, Abe
  6. Clyde says:

    The 1992 Hoffa movie with Jack Nicholson was good. I am skipping this Hoffa treatment. The whole gangsters in movies thing wore thin for me a while ago. Just not interested in their trials and tribulations.

  7. jim jones says:

    What is up with the guys shoes:

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Reg Cæsar
  8. @Clyde

    I liked Danny De Vito’s “Hoffa” with Jack Nicholson. The script is by David Mamet so it’s rather stylized but has some memorable scenes. Nicholson’s Hoffa is intense and serious, while Pacino’s Hoffa is funny and affectionate.

  9. @jim jones

    The real Frank Sheeran was 6’4″, so Scorsese (5’3″ at his tallest) felt it important to have De Niro (5’9″ at his max) appear a lot taller than Pacino, who was 5’6″ at his peak.

    All these guys have shrunk an inch or two since their primes.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  10. Sean says:

    The young Whitey Bulger had ash blond hair, so difficult for the Goodfellas actors. But even Boston Bulger’s hitmen were mainly Italians . Sheehan’s account of being a hitman for the mafia is total lies and written when he knew was dying in order to make a little money for his family.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Bugg
    , @Brutusale
  11. @Clyde

    I agree. I’m sick of movies that glorify lowlives, and Scorsese, and DeNiro. They’re old and played out in more ways than just physically.

  12. I’ve somewhat gave up on movies; honest trailers & similar stuff had played a part.

    When I think of Scorsese, I don’t think what his future reputation will be. He had a few misfires & numerous watchable films. I guess his typical films will survive: hyper-dynamic, with nods to old masters; excess, sometimes crime, but always excessive behavior of basically mentally-emotionally shallow people shown with gusto; his religious movies suck (I don’t buy the Catholic upbringing stuff, this is irrelevant); his evident eros- how else to call it? – in work with his favorite actors; vitality which irradiates from his best work.

    He’s half-way between entertainment & serious (or pretentious) filmmaking. And his geriatric phase, which has been lasting for surprisingly long time, shows what I consider his best quality: gusto, vitality, energy in representation of a carnival which is life.

  13. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:

    Irish were the worst of criminals historically, although they still compete for title of “nastiest native European gangsters” on a European level. It appears that many of the people smuggling gangs bringing illegal immigrants into the UK are Irish, the gang that brought in the immigrants who all died in that container are Irish and they’re almost certainly not the only one.

    The Irish today play the victim and claim they just can’t understand why anyone could dislike them (just like a certain other tribe actually), yet the reason they were disliked historically is because a huge number of them were violent criminals and gang members. White gangsters have largely been displaced by non-white ones these days, so Irish organised crime doesn’t get much media attention any more but on a white level the Irish are still arguably among the most criminally inclined and violent.

  14. The biggest problem with this movie is people will think it’s all true.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  15. Bill P says:

    It’s kind of weird to me how this is all “history” today. My dad was an errand boy for Dave Beck back in the late 50s (Beck lived up the street from my grandparents), and I used to overhear my Teamster grandfather railing about mobsters and stolen pension funds back in the late ’70s. At the time it was just grown-ups complaining about work. I never thought about it much at all, and now they’re all dead and Scorsese is making films about this stuff.

    I suppose I should have my kids see the movie, but I wish my grandpa were still alive so I could ask him about it. I get the feeling that the truth died with the people involved, and Scorsese is taking liberties. But I’m sure it’s a good movie, and that’s why I’ll watch it with the kids. Maybe it will help them understand – just a little bit – how things were.

    Gotta hand it to the Italians for dramatizing things — the Irish just take it to the grave.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  16. @Redneck farmer

    “The Irishman” is better than true.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  17. @Anonymous

    The gang that imported the 39 dead illegal immigrants are from Northern Ireland and based on his social media pictures the driver is British not Irish

    • Replies: @Fen Tiger
    , @Hibernian
  18. DeNiro is one of the better known cheerleaders for Globohomo. Why are you supporting his career?

  19. Fen Tiger says:
    @(((They))) Live

    Irishness is pretty common in Northern Ireland, oddly enough.

  20. Interesting review, but… despite the mentions of the topic of self-censorship and the humorous analogy to today’s cancel culture… I’m not too excited about seeing the movie. It just seems like old fake history safely and outrageously hammed up by Hollywood, cheap macho play-acting by gerontocrats…

  21. Anonymous[114] • Disclaimer says:

    I will be watching the movie on Netflix.

    I submit that 2019 produced an unsolved crime nearly as notorious as Hoffa’s disappearance, though its victim did not have widespread notoriety until after his untimely death, and the authorities are not treating it as such.

  22. Hibernian says:

    “…even Boston Bulger’s hitmen were mainly Italians .”

    I remember Steven “The Rifleman” Flemmi; weren’t all the rest Irish Catholics except for one token Protestant, whose name escapes me? Not so different from the fictional treatment in The Departed.

    Scorcese also directed The Gangs of New York and The Departed, and Henry Hill, the real life counterpart of the protagonist in Goodfellas, was half Irish. Scorcese seems to have a thing about giving the Irish equal time.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  23. Hibernian says:
    @(((They))) Live

    You can tell the British from the Irish by appearance? Or was it the clothing, or people and/or things and/or places in the background?

  24. Hibernian says:

    Tell us how you really feel.

  25. For those who were alive at the time, how big a deal was Jimmy Hoffa? It’s hard to imagine a union boss murder in 2019 being what that appears to have been.

    My family was even tangentially touched by it, like Steve always says about military-industrial complex conspiracy theories. My grandfather was a mediator and apparently my grandmother got some calls about where her kids walked to school (in New Jersey) and what a sad story it would be if something unfortunate happened to them. They also tried to set him up with hookers for blackmail, etc. Sounds like dealing with unions was nasty business back then.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @MBlanc46
  26. Mr. Anon says:

    DeNiro is a such a tired old hack, he ruins every movie he’s in. I might overlook it, if he didn’t feel the need to lecture us. But as he does, to Hell with him. I’ll never watch another movie with him in it.

  27. Pheasant says:

    And yet they were displaced so easily by the Jews and Italians… so much for nasty.

    The only reason Irish gangsters are a force in Europe today is that Britain is an (even) still under-saturated market for cocaine and Ireland has a tiny navy to patrol its large maritime exclusion area and extensive craggy coastline (equivalent in land area to one police car for the whole of Ireland north and south). Add to this a border with the United Kingdom and you have a recipie for very successful organised crime with all of the violence that goes with it.

    Absent those things Irish organised crime would be just another blip on the radar just like it was in America- remember Whitey Bulger had so much attention because he was the exception not the rule (and even then he had to cooperate with the FBI to defeat the Italian mafia).

    Historically the Irish were mainly disliked for disorganised crime such as drunkeness and brawling and the extent of thier abilities to organise were forming crooked unions and playing a bit part in tammany hall (which was really controlled by the Jews).

    They eventually cleaned their act up and became honest citizens unlike another group I could mention.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Hibernian
    , @Jack D
  28. @Hibernian

    There are pictures of the truck driver holding the Union Jack and other Unionist/Loyalist flegs, so he is clearly British and not Irish

  29. Altai_2 says:

    Steve mentions the de-ageing not making him look young enough, I was more concerned with how he didn’t look human. People keep praising this film’s implementation of the technology, but it looks worse than any recent examples. Presumably this is because they had so many frames to run it on, but the reason doesn’t matter, it looks terrible.

  30. Leo D says:

    Used to love De Niro, but realized how little personality he has when watching outtakes and ‘behind the scenes’ for ‘Meet the Parents’. Father in Law is retired FBI who did polygraphs (old school cross trained on everything…he was also psychological profiler which is pretty cool, damn, there are some really messed up people out there…what is publicly known about the famous serial killers only scratches the surface)…wife thought the movie was hysterical…like home growing up.

    Outtakes showed that De Niro thinks he is funny, but he isn’t, and he has zero personality.

    Add the lunacy of the past several years…I’ll never watch another De Niro film.

  31. Bugg says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Would expect a TR movie to lean heavily on Edmund Morris’s 2 volume biography. The lynchpin of where America went from a sensible country post Civil War prosperity to a big dumb empire is Teddy Roosevelt.

  32. Bugg says:

    Johnny Depp as Bulger was ridiculous. Bulger looked like Bill Burr.

  33. Brutusale says:

    Bulger’s gang was mostly Irishmen, but the killers were guys named Flemmi and Martorano.

    • Replies: @Sean
  34. My personal favorite Hoffa theory was that he was killed by Richard “The Iceman” Kuklinski, the only proof of which, of course, is that he himself claimed it. While Kuklinski’s claims in general are likely exaggerated, I have no doubt he had the means and capability. He was certainly one scary-looking mofo.

  35. @bartolo1

    And then he started telling us what was really on his mind.

    My sentiments exactly. I remember years ago noticing that De Niro was one of those stars that didn’t open up much. You didn’t see him constantly in the National Enquirer or profiled in People magazine. I respected that. It made it easier to accept him in different roles. Now he reveals himself as politically immature, insanely angry, and low-brow. Did he really need that? I understand less secure stars having to establish their left-wing credentials to be accepted in Hollywood, but he didn’t. He just couldn’t contain his inner stronzo.

    • Replies: @Gabe Ruth
  36. Jack D says:

    Of course every filmmaker has to choose his material, but Scorsese is just being accurate. Non-Italians were not allowed to belong to the Mafia but they could be “associates” and these were often the Irish and the Irish also had their own gangs. Scorsese also gives Jewish criminals equal time in Casino and The Wolf of Wall Street. 20th century organized crime was a big city phenomenon and its membership reflected the ethnic composition of the immigrant and lower classes of American big cities at the time, which makes the Italians, the Irish and the Jews the big 3 of organized crime of that period (with the Italians definitely in the #1 position).

    I think the ones that get short shrift in crime movies are the (non-Jewish) Poles and other E. Europeans (Slovaks, Croats, etc.) . Maybe their names are too hard to pronounce.

    • Replies: @Gabe Ruth
    , @utu
  37. ChrisZ says:

    A solid—and fun!—column. I love this line:

    “the essential Italian story, going back to Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar, revolves around a long conspiracy to commit a single strategic murder.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  38. @Anonymous

    Nah. Blacks and Mexicans had higher violent crime rates than ALL European immigrant groups for as far back as the relevant crime records have been kept.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  39. @Duke84

    Someone must have realized that it was all a hoax. H.H. Holmes was never a torture chamber house.

  40. Gabe Ruth says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    I happened to catch Morgan Freeman, honorary voice of the Almighty and genius/ magic negro, getting interviewed by Don Lemon. So intellectually vacant there is no word for it but cringe.

  41. Gabe Ruth says:
    @Jack D

    “gives the Jews equal time in Wolf of Wall Street”

    No liberties taken there, right buddy?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  42. Jack D says:
    @Father O'Hara

    We are living in a gerontocracy now, not just in Washington but in Hollywood too. The pre-Boomers literally refuse to leave the stage. They are all members of the small generation born during the war just before the Boom and they had little competition getting to the top and they plan to stay there until they are dead.

    • Agree: Dtbb, BB753
  43. The internet says this about Robert DeNiro’s blood ancestry:

    Ethnicity: Italian (paternal grandfather), Irish, German, Dutch, small amounts of English and French Huguenot

    DeNiro is a Euro-Mongrel just like I am and he has old stocker English ancestry as I do and tens of millions of other Americans do. I have more English blood than DeNiro, but I also wouldn’t gain fifty pounds of fat and punch a wall like DeNiro did in Raging Bull. Good movie!

    DeNiro’s comic dislike of Donald Trump is a New York thing, and the rest of us should forget it, because it’s New York Town, and we don’t get it.

    Trump and the Republican Party must be removed from power in 2020, and DeNiro’s anti-Trump energy — even though it’s unfocused and moronic — is what will be needed by White Core America to replace the rancid Republican Party in the 2022 congressional elections.

    DeNiro and Pesci in Raging Bull is loads of fun!

    Pesci in Raging Bull:

    “You understand me, you fucking wacko? You’re cracking up! Fucking screw ball ya!”

  44. Jack D says:

    The lorry driver was from Northern Ireland and therefore has British citizenship. But ethnically I think he is Irish and not English or Ulster Scot. He is from Armagh which makes it more likely that he is Catholic.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Not Raul
    , @Sean
  45. Jack D says:
    @Bill P

    the Irish just take it to the grave.

    The entire movie is based upon the supposed confessions that an elderly Frank Sheeran (the titular Irishman) made to the author of the book, I Heard You Paint Houses.

    Now there are some who believe that Sheeran “confessed” to more murders than he actually carried out. Irishmen are also known to tell tall tales now and then, especially when they have had a drink or ten. John Carlyle Berkery, the still living former head of the K&A Gang (the Irish Mafia in Philly) says, and I quote, that Sheeran was “full of shit” and never killed anyone.

    For those wondering about DeNiro’s platform shoes, here is a picture of the real Frank with the real Hoffa which shows the Mutt and Jeff effect that Scorsese was trying to emulate. The real Frank was not just tall – he was a big guy, much more physically intimidating than DeNiro. But he was the kind of Teamster muscle who would hit you in the knees with a lug wrench, not kill you.

  46. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Lorry was also owned by an ROI company and other members of the gang have been arrested in the ROI, he also described himself as “Irish” on social media so I think it seems very likely he is of Irish Catholic background.

    I find it unlikely that someone of NI Protestant background would be engaged in something so clearly detrimental to British interests, it would not go down very well in that community. Seems like more the sort of activity IRA types would be up to.

  47. @Jack D

    We are living in a gerontocracy now, not just in Washington but in Hollywood too. The pre-Boomers literally refuse to leave the stage. They are all members of the small generation born during the war just before the Boom and they had little competition getting to the top and they plan to stay there until they are dead.

    LBJ was born in 1908 and George HW Bush was born in 1924; both LBJ and George HW Bush were globalizer bastards who pushed mass legal immigration and mass illegal immmigration and multicultural mayhem.

    LBJ’s 1965 Immigration Act and George HW Bush’s 1990 Immigration Act massively increased legal immigration into the USA.

    I won’t deny that I bash the baby boomers for fun, but they ain’t entirely to blame!

    Some people claim that the baby boomers are to blame, but I know, it’s not entirely their fault.

    Baby Boomers Control Monetary Policy!

    Monetary Policy and Immigration Policy are driving politics all over the globe.

  48. @Father O'Hara

    Agreed. Michael Shannon would have been a better choice than Deniro. Using makeup to make an actor appear to age is much more convincing than trying to de-age him via CGI for his younger self, IMO.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @Steve Sailer
  49. @bartolo1

    I remember Deniro in the first role I saw him play: one of the Barker boys in “Bloody Mama”. He did pretty well in that role as the junkie younger brother. Deniro has one of those faces that makes me expect to see rotten front teeth when he smiles. It’s hard to see him as anything but a lowlife type as a character.

    The only role in which he was convincing to me as a well groomed guy was as the robbery crew chief in “Heat”.

  50. utu says:
    @Jack D

    Frank Falenczyk (Ben Kingsley) is a hit man for his Polish mob family in Buffalo, New York.

    You Kill Me

  51. A whitey bulger related story as far as i know thats true.My highschool buddy Jim M is in a house poker game which includes a Whitey thug(ex boxer,adidas sweatsuit,Champion sweatshirt type).
    So no females being around jimmy farts loudly.Whiteys guy says thats fucking disgusting if you do that in front of me again ill beat your ass.Five minutes later farts again.Whiteys guy says i just fuckin told you and offers him out(side).
    So they go out in the street.Now jimmy worked as a mover and was one of those wiry lanky pretty strong guys and physically brave in an almost masochistic cool hand luke way.So somewhat surprisingly Jimmy wins the fight in dominant fashion and the night ends.
    So life goes on and a couple weeks later a new guy joins the moving crew.Now Jimmys a good personable guy and he becomes buddies with the new guy and they end up going out drinking together after work a few times.
    So after a couple weeks the new guy tells jimmy he needs to talk to him.Jimmy says whats up?The new guys says im supposed to kill you,its the only reason im working this shitty job,like 3 nights we went out i was planning on taking you out but i cant do it your too good a fuckin guy.But that guy you beat ups gonna find someone who will so you better figure something out.
    So i guess jimmy moves up to Maine for a few months until shit blows over .So alls well that ends well,Jimmys married to his highschool sweetheart has two boys he takes ice fishing and still a great guy!

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Jack D
  52. @jim jones

    What is up with the guys shoes:

    Hey, at least they’re not cement!


    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  53. BB753 says:
    @Jack D

    The so-called “Silent Generation” just won’t shut up! And with CGI, Boomer actors will retire in their 90’s, playing leading roles till they drop dead!

  54. The inclusion of De Niro in any project now is, for me, such a poison pill I can’t watch it. De Niro has revealed him to be one of those vile people like Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, Alyssa Milano, Peter Fonda and Alec Baldwin who are beyond even the typical idiotic Hollywood leftists.

  55. Alden says:

    Jack Nicholson starred in the movie Hoffa with Danny DeVito, great actors great story. Both Nicholson and DeVito’s best roles. Great movie, it was on Netflix for a long time.

  56. Clyde says:

    Agree. Robert Deniro has ruined it for me with his anti-Trump rants. Foul mouthed idiot dropping Fs and Mofo-s when talking tweeting about Trump. Deniro is as psycho as Ron Reiner when it comes to Donald Trump. Matter of fact, their strident anti-Trump tweets has put lots of Hollywood on my list of movies I am no longer interested in. I will make some exceptions.

  57. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Supposedly Ed is 5’8 and Taylor is 5’10 so either she is wearing high heels or else someone is lying.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  58. @Father O'Hara

    Scorcese should be, age notwithstanding, finding the new DeNiros,as we’re a bit tired of the old one.

    I think the characters that the DeNiros have built a career out of playing can only be credibly played by a certain urban ethnic type whose mien was formed in urban ethnic neighborhoods of a certain age which for the most part no longer exist. I mean, perhaps there are Russian De Niros or Filipino De Niros yet to be discovered, but the streetwise son of Calabrese or Sicilians with talent raised in tenement apartments doesn’t much exist now, and the pool of possibles is probably comprised of ethnic mutts raised in leafy suburbs, laundered through homogenized popular culture and with no peculiar local flavor. Maybe they live in Brooklyn, but it’s the hipster Disney-fied Brooklyn. See DiCaprio, as Steve calls him a “new De Niro,” but someone who doesn’t play typical De Niro-esque characters because it would not work out well.

  59. Marty says:

    … permanently damaged the respectability of organized labor …

    Probably explains this item languishing unsold for about 5 yrs. now.

  60. joe_mama says:

    Dave Chappelle did an interview or talk show appearance, where he talked about doing a set, the usual black cultural jokes, and there were a couple of white guys just busting up the whole time. They came up to him afterwards, thick Irish accents, and told him how they could totally relate. They told him that “The Irish are the N-Words of Europe”.

  61. Not Raul says:
    @Jack D

    Do you think the Pope called in the hit personally, or was it the Jesuits?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  62. @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, if an elf went to the prom with a dwarf, this is what it would look like.

  63. @Twodees Partain

    Michael Shannon has been good in everything I’ve seen of him. My favorite is Elvis and Nixon with him as Elvis and Kevin Spacey as Nixon. It’s on Amazon Prime and it’s hilarious.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  64. @Anonymous

    Spencer glows in the dark. Dude is controlled opposition and a collaborator.

  65. Jack D says:
    @Gabe Ruth

    Right, they left out the scene where Belfort asks his rabbi if it is ok to steal from the goyim and his rabbi tells him that not only is it permissible, it’s a commandment!

  66. Jack D says:
    @Not Raul

    No, but the Provisional IRA was pretty heavily involved in crime. Would not shock me to see connections between the smuggling gang and (ex) IRA.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @JMcG
  67. Sean says:

    Flemmi set up Di Silva in an apartment next door to Marshall Motors, an auto garage in Somerville that served as the clubhouse of the Winter Hill Mob. “Because I was Italian, I was designated to cook lunch for them. In the apartment I’d make sandwiches, with cold cuts, or pasta. If I had my mother there, we’d make extra sauce, then walk it over to the garage.” Di Silva became the unofficial mascot for what would become the most notorious criminal gang in the city’s history.

    According to Kevin Weeks forced busing in Boston had a lot to do with why the South End Irish disliked authority. Despite his around 40 murders mainly in the seventies, Bulger was thought of as a Robin Hood character who was keeping hard drugs out of the area while he was actually extorting them for licences to operate. Slick, but then he is from a clever family: brother was a President of the Massachusetts Senate for a record setting 18 years. It was Jewish loan sharks he had preyed on that brought Whitey down. The best story about him is winning unteen million in the lottery on a ticket bought at a gang members store by some hapless Southie.

  68. Scorsese sucks. You just like all the killing. You should get help.

  69. Sean says:
    @Jack D

    He is a Glasgow Rangers supporter so certainly not a Catholic.

    Nice house for a 25 year old trucker.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Cortes
  70. I might give it a watch. But man, a bunch of 70 year olds getting together and making ANOTHER gangster movie.

  71. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @(((They))) Live

    His surname is Robinson, which is not an Irish name. Robinson is an English surname, and people in Northern Ireland with that name are generally going to be Protestants descended from English or Scots settlers in Ulster.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  72. @Jack D

    Men lie up, women lie down.

  73. @(((They))) Live

    There are pictures of the truck driver holding the Union Jack and other Unionist/Loyalist flegs, so he is clearly British and not Irish

    That sounds like a false flag operation– literally.

    Literally literally.

  74. Immensely long at three hours and thirty minutes,

    Would be better as a 7-part serial.

  75. Jake says:

    Originally, Tammany Hall was created and run by WASPs, and then was run by Protestant Scots and Scots-Irish. The northeastern WASP power had become focused on controlling the entire US, primarily behind the scenes: the Yank WASP Deep State.

    The period when Tammany politics did the most for the NYC area – as opposed to helping the rich and those who ran Tammany – was when Irish Catholics were in charge. When Jews took over Tammany, the corruption that benefitted none but the super rich and Jews was firmly established. That corruption rules America. That corruption is the Anglo-Zionist Empire.

  76. @(((They))) Live

    There are pictures of the truck driver holding the Union Jack and other Unionist/Loyalist flegs, so he is clearly British and not Irish

    British pertains to the large island of Great Britain, which contains England, Scotland, and Wales, and the other smaller British isles such as the various Scottish islands, Isle of Man, Isle of Wight, Anglesey, Holy Island, Lindisfarne, the Isles of Scilly, Hayling Island, Mersea, and many other small islands and islets, but does not include Ireland or Northern Ireland, which is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Golfer Rory McIlroy is from Northern Ireland and the PGA tour web site usually puts an English flag next to his name (St. George’s cross), but this is not really correct and it ought to be the Union Jack which is the official flag of Northern Ireland.

  77. JMcG says:
    @Jack D

    The IRA these days is nothing but an organized crime gang. Crooked to the core.

  78. eah says:

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  79. @Hibernian

    Britishness is a social construct. Irishness (or Romish Popery as many call it) is a social disease.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  80. Anonymous[404] • Disclaimer says:

    Hoffa was probably the second or third most powerful man in the country at his peak. Unions were hugely powerful, and Hoffa the number one union guy at the time.

    Most of us were too dumb to realize this was on the whole a good thing. Unions were corrupt, but they counterbalanced corporate and banking/finance power. All the money that went into the pockets of truck drivers and steel mill workers and construction guys over and above subsistence wages now goes in far fewer pockets. And we import even dumber people to do the scutwork and buy even worse cheap Chinese junk.

    • Agree: JMcG
  81. @Jonathan Mason

    Britain (and British), like America (and American), means all kinds of shit, depending upon context; among the most common meanings:

    The British Isles are an archipelago, which includes the island of Ireland.

    The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland, is a sovereign nation ruled from London.

    The island of Britain is the largest of the British Isles (see supra).

    The most controversial business is indeed borne of hypersensitive Irish republicans who foam at the mouth when anyone dares point out that the island of Ireland is indeed one of the British Isles, notwithstanding the nation of Ireland’s not being part of the nation of Britain: they absolutely cannot and will bot accept this fact, any more than fools and villains will accept that, although America refers to two continents, it also refers to the most populous nation therein.

    Stupid people cannot cope with homonyms, and evil people do not want to…unless it suits them.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @Ahem
    , @BB753
  82. Jack D says:

    I have no skin in this game but I think it’s amusing that all the Protestants/English want him to be Irish/Catholic and vice versa. If he had won the Nobel Prize they it would be the other way ’round.

  83. @Jim Don Bob

    His first few roles cast him as unlikable characters, but he has had some good roles since then and has shown himself to be a very competent actor. He’s also very Irish looking and a tall guy, so I think he would have been a much better choice for the role of Frank Sheeran in The Irishman.

    I haven’t seen Elvis and Nixon. I’ll check it out.

    • Replies: @Duke84
  84. Cortes says:

    His home according to the Wikipedia article:

    2001 Census Edit
    Mullavilly-Laurelvale is classified as a village by the Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency (NISRA) (i.e. with population between 1,000 and 2,250 people). On Census day (29 April 2001) there were 1,258 people living in Mullavilly-Laurelvale. Of these:

    25.0% were aged under 16 years and 12.7% were aged 60 and over
    49.5% of the population were male and 50.5% were female
    9.2% were from a Catholic background and 90.8% were from a Protestant background”

  85. @Steve Sailer

    “The Irishman” is better than true.

    The transcendental nature of art.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  86. @Mary Worth

    I take it that this is what passes for a clever remark chez vous.

    Truly venomous hatred of the Cross is anything but moribund here and at the Occidental Observer. Indeed, at both sites it effectively competes for prominence with legitimate analysis and criticism of the Perpetual Sufferers and their Holohoax.

    And please, spare me the claim that this is not Christophobia but is instead genuine Protestant griping about Catholics. No one with eyes and ears is so deluded as to think that more than half of 1 percent of present-day soi-disant Protestants actually believe in the reality of the Trinity, the Incarnation, and the Resurrection. It’s Christophobia all right.

  87. @Jack D


    Add in the 1946-ers, like 3 of the last 4 presidents.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  88. @SunBakedSuburb

    Right. The reality is that high level mobsters would never choose a designated hit man who might use his gun to defend the chosen victim.

    But it makes a good story to imagine they did.

  89. Robbie Robertson and Van Morrison:

    I Hear You Paint Houses

  90. @Herbert West

    Not in Texas. Whites commit more violent crime than Mexicans, adjusted for age.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  91. @Jonathan Mason

    The flag next to McIlroys name is probably the Ulster Banner, it does look like the St George’s cross but it is different

  92. Hibernian says:

    “Historically the Irish were mainly disliked for disorganised crime such as drunkeness and brawling…”


  93. Hibernian says:

    Color me skeptical; this would likely end up with the reluctant would be hitman getting whacked himself, if it were true.

    • Replies: @Bostonvegas
    , @Bostonvegas
  94. @Autochthon

    The island of Britain is the largest of the British Isles (see supra).

    Nope! That island is called Great Britain. It is common when you have groups of islands for the biggest one to be called Great or Grand, like Grand Bahama or Grand Cayman. (Grand is the French word for ‘big’, in Spanish it is Grande).

    Geographically Ireland is one of the British isles, but in the Republic of Ireland this term is not used, and so the people there call themselves Irish, not British, and so does everyone else.

    Of course, if Scotland ever goes independent, (or Wales), there will be no United Kingdom of Great Britain any more, perhaps a United Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    , @Anon
  95. Jack D says:

    Can you point me to the history of the Jew’s secret control of Tammany Hall? Because in all the books I ever read it was run by non-Jews until its last day. Ed Koch got his start as a reform candidate in OPPOSITION to Tammany.

  96. Hibernian says:

    Many Irish Catholics have names like Robinson. Others, names like McNulty. It’s about 50/50 in my estimation. There was a lot of changing of names in Ireland; Smith is the most common. People with the Gaelic word for a blacksmith as an occupational surname changed it to Smith.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  97. Duke84 says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Shannon played mob hit man Richard Kuklinski in the movie The Iceman.It’s worth seeing if you haven’t already.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  98. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not sure how you define “many”, but Robinson is not an Irish Catholic surname, and it’s not common among Irish Catholics. Names with the suffix “son” are English. It’s an English and Germanic patronymic, not a Celtic one. Most people in Ireland with the surname Robinson are going to be Protestants descended from English or Scots settlers, or if they’re religiously Catholic, descended from a relatively recent English or Scots paternal ancestor.

    There was a lot of Anglicization of names, but the names themselves were generally preserved. For example, “Kelly” was Anglicized from the Gaelic “Ceallaigh”. It’s the same name, just changed to conform to English pronunciation and spelling. Most Irish names are like this. The spelling was changed, rather than the name being translated into English. The major exception was “Smith”. Many Irish originally surnamed McGowan (‘gowan’ meaning blacksmith) had their names changed to “Smith”.

    • Replies: @The Swamp
    , @Hibernian
  99. Hibernian says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Regardless of whether he’s Catholic or Protestant, with a name like that it ought to be the Irish tricolor which include orange as well as green. (The third color is white.)

  100. MBlanc46 says:

    Jimmy Hoffa was a big deal. His disappearance was a big deal. The teamsters, the UAW, the Steelworkers were big deals. Now it’s only teachers and SEIU.

  101. MBlanc46 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Hey! I resemble that remark.

  102. @Jonathan Mason

    Nope! That island is called Great Britain.

    Thanks for pointing out my oversight; I’ve corrected myself infra:

    Stupid people cannot cope with homonyms or synonyms….

  103. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:

    Martin Scorsese is trending on Twitter for denouncing superhero movies as being more like theme parks than films because “Cinema is an art form that brings you the unexpected.” And yet the director’s The Irishman proves that the expected can have its cinematic pleasures.

    Scorsese addressed that in his piece. In his discussion of Hitchcock, he conceded that the master of suspense was working with a formula and repeated his tricks many times. But he added there was something more than spectacle and thrill to Hitchcock. Though they were Hollywood movies that gave the audience what they wanted, there was more, something provocative(and genuinely perverse) and psychologically dark and complex. One could say the same of THE SEARCHERS by Ford. On many levels, it is yet another Hollywood Western with John Wayne. It has much that is ‘expected’. And yet, Ford used the Western format to convey and suggest much more. One could choose ignore it but it is there for those willing to pick up the signals.

    Both Scorsese and his critics are overstating their case as is usually the case in polemics. Also, Scorsese came of age when cinema was flowering into an art form. By now, its artistic possibilities seem exhausted. One can still make good and even great movies, but it’s difficult to make one that is a game-changer like KANE, SEVEN SAMURAI, 400 BLOW, BREATHLESS, L’AVVENTURA, 8 1/2, ANDREI RUBLEV, 2001, PERSONA, and LAST TANGO. Those were new revelations in cinema. By the time Scorsese emerged on the scene, it was difficult to be original. Both Scorsese and Coppola made their name with mastery, craftsmanship, and expressiveness than originality. As for Tarantino, he pretty much played ‘Joker’ with cinema. Possibly, the most original film artist since the 70s was David Lynch. ‘Lynchian’ has entered the lexicon because he was so eccentric and visionary(though very uneven).

    Also, Scorsese should mention Spielberg(and Lucas esp) for creating a new movie culture that favored spectacle and thrills above all else. Spielberg at least matured into a film-maker whereas Lucas turned into a total joke, even trashing what remained of his reputation by selling STAR WARS to Dizzy-Ney Sharks. But, Lucas and Spielberg are his pals.

    Favoring spectacle over character was always a Hollywood thing. TEN COMMANDMENTS, BEN-HUR, and CLEOPATRA have dull wooden characters spouting cliches. Still, because they were based on complex histories or drawn/inspired from great sources like the Bible, there was still somethings of interest. But when spectacle is made from comic books, there really isn’t anything but the thrills. Even when they make historical epics now, they often do a comic-book version. 300 is based on the comic book of the Spartan story.

    But a bigger problem than superhero movies is that too many indie film-makers are now moronic, lost, or opportunistic. Or propagandists in disguise. Due to digital technology, it is cheaper than ever to make an indie film. But the film-makers fall into three categories. (1) Morons or retards who think their personal foibles are interesting… like Lena Dunham’s TINY FURNITURE, a vomit-fest. (2) Sincere and well-meaning ‘auteurs’ who seriously but churn out what are now dime-a-dozen film festival snoozers that are the same old same old. Been there, done that. Movies about small people. Portraiture of people with life issues. Formal exercises. (3) ‘Art film’ poseurs. These works are usually funded by Big Money that doesn’t really care about art. It just figures that ‘art cinema’ is one way to mold elite or wanna-be-elite minds. So, what we end up is what is essentially propaganda but dressed up in art film tropes.

    Still, once in awhile, something remarkable comes along. Even in this late age, MOTHER! and BLACKCOAT’S DAUGHTER are deserving of game-changer recognition.

  104. The Swamp says:

    Due to the nefarious behaviour of Catholic priests, nuns, and ”Christian Brothers” during their childhood, many Catholic lads aren’t interested in girls, leading to a surplus of Catholic girls.
    Those girls then marry Protestants, on the condition that the children are reared as Catholics.

    Over the generations, that has helped to gut the Protestant churches, and that’s how you end up with Catholics named Robinson.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  105. Anonymous[404] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Swamp

    There is no shortage of Catholic boys who like girls. I have several gay co-workers and not one was raised Catholic. They were from fundie, non practicing Jewish, or in one case a Jehovahs Witness family which was disfellowshipped for his father’s similar predilections.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  106. @ChrisZ

    A story that isn’t that well known in the US is the rise and fall of the Sicilian mafia: the US Army in 1943 brought the mafia back to prominence in Sicily. In 1968, the Corleonesi of the small city of Corleone decided to trash the old rules of how to divide things up and take over the entire Sicilian mafia by murdering everybody who stood in their way. But even then it took them 15 years or so.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Jack D
  107. @Hibernian

    Yeah i cant prove it.I heard it 20 years after it happened from a buddy of mine who ironically i almost didnt ask about Jimmy because the last thing id heard was that jimmy had kicked my buddies ass around the time i left Boston.
    The only thing that kind of made it plausible to me is it came from a guy who wasnt a jimmy fan.Jimmy is a hard guy not to like ….probably carried the heavy end of stuff more than his share.Also those were pretty crazy days in Boston and that i can vouch for.

  108. @Hibernian

    Also kind of interesting anotherguy i grew up with a semi legendary brawler back in the day is now one of the top interrogators in the country focussing on a particularly violent south american gang that has spread from El Sal to cali to up and down the east coast.Tremendous success as an interrogator despite not being fluent in spanish he actually uses a translator.I dont mean to be vague but they have some big on going cases at the moment.
    I said to him,the reason your so good at this stuff is because you think like them.
    He replied,you know what D you’re absolutely right,but fuck you,and we had a good laugh.

  109. If you want a Netflix movie with stars in their golden years, The Highwaymen with Costner and Harrleson as Texas Rangers hunting Bonnie and Clyde is plenty entertaining.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  110. @Twodees Partain

    Michael Shannon is about 6’4″ and is 45 and looks Irish. He’s a fine actor, but he’s never quite become a star with the public.

  111. @Jack Henson

    Director John Lee Hancock, a Baylor grad, makes Red State movies:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  112. Ahem says:

    There’s nothing complicated or controversial about this.

    The Official name of the USA is the “United States of America”.

    It is the only country in North and South America with ‘America’ as part of its official name’

    There are numerous South American, African and Pacific Ocean countries/islands with the equator passing through it.

    Only one country has seen fit to call itself ‘Equator’ (in Spanish).

    Big deal.

  113. @Reg Cæsar

    Note the teamsters logo behind the DeNiro’s platform sole. Anything is possible.

  114. @Sam Coulton

    Until you can correct for false classification, meaning how many meztizo perps are classified by the police as white, and further, what the rate of unreported violent crime within the large illegal mestizo alien population actually is, then the statistics in that article are mostly useless.

  115. @Steve Sailer

    He peaked in Groundhog Day. It’s all been downhill from there.

  116. BB753 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Isn’t the story that Mussolini had pretty much wiped out the Mafia in Italy and that the US Mafia branch offered collaboration to the US government for the Allied invasion of Italy, in the form of intelligence and manpower?

  117. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Shannon would have been perfect. See the photo of Sheeran at #46. Do up Shannon’s hair and have him gain a little weight (well a lot – Sheeran was maybe 250 lb.) and he’d be the spittin’ image.

    Of course most people have no idea what the real Sheeran looked like, so it would be pointless. Box office considerations outweigh any need for the actor to resemble the man he is playing by a large margin, especially when the real man is not an instantly recognizable figure.

  118. Jack D says:

    as far as i know thats true

    This ranks right up there with “Once upon a time…” as a sure sign that what follows is a fairy tale.

    • Replies: @Bostonvegas
  119. Jack D says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Fascist dictators aren’t good for much but one thing that they are good at is breaking up organized crime because they want to be the only organized criminals in town. And also because they don’t have to concern themselves with legal niceties like burdens of proof and fair trials.

    • Agree: BB753
  120. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The last time England ruled Ireland but not Scotland was under Cromwell’s Protectorate. I wonder if the old Commonwealth flag will be brought back?

  121. Rurik says:
    @Father O'Hara

    we’re a bit tired of the old one.

    No self-respecting white man should pay to see this movie.

    There are principled reasons for not liking Trump, but De Nero’s unhinged hatred clearly has to do with Trump being a ‘racist’. IOW, unapologetic white man who doesn’t ‘assume the position’ on cue.

    When the pampered millionaires in the NFL take a knee, because America is a ‘racist nation’, then their white male fans should boycott. It’s no different with these self-important Hollywood actors. When they shit in the face of their fan base, we should return the favor.

    • Agree: BB753
  122. Yngvar says:

    “…who had learned to speak Italian during his years fighting in Italy under General Patton.”
    The Italian Campaign didn’t last that long.

  123. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Director John Lee Hancock, a Baylor grad, makes Red State movies:

    Adopting a 300 lb Negro is a ‘conservative value’.

    • LOL: William Badwhite
  124. @Duke84

    Yes, I saw that one. Midnight Special was also a good one for him.

    • Replies: @Duke84
  125. @Steve Sailer

    This role could have made him a star, and casting him could have saved the film from mediocrity, IMO. I found the book “I Heard You Paint Houses” interesting, but I can’t quite accept Deniro as Sheeran.

  126. BB753 says:

    Not to be picky, but for most of the world, including Europe, there are not two Americas but only one American continent, stretching from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego.
    Admittedly, two Americas make more sense than saying Europe and Asia are two different continents.

  127. Duke84 says:
    @Twodees Partain

    I liked Nocturnal Animals too.

  128. Hibernian says:

    A relative of mine was a Robinson, was a dead ringer for Carroll O’ Connor, and was presumably Catholic because, in addition to the O’Connor resemblance, he was married to my Dad’s fanatically Catholic first cousin. I know, very small sample size. My parochial school had an even mix of kids with WASP, Irish, and German surnames, along with the occasional Italian, Pole, or Hispanic.

  129. Brutusale says:

    I grew up on the South Shore of Boston, which may have more Irish living there than the Olde Sod itself. I have many 100% Irish friends. More than half of my Irish male acquaintances are not married, have never been married, have no interest in getting married, or even date. And yes, a good number of them are married to the bottle.

    It has nothing to do with molesting churchmen and everything to do with Irish culture. People sometimes ask if I, a former Catholic school student and an altar boy, had any experience with pedophile priests. My parish priests were named Murphy, Sullivan, Crowley, and Walsh. They were drunks, not molesters.

    Father Murphy never allowed his wine to be sullied by water.

    • Replies: @Bostonvegas
  130. @Steve Sailer,

    In the linked article, you mention how your father was Swiss-American. Which canton did the Sailer family hail from? My grandfather (1908-1989) was the son of Swiss immigrants from the canton of Glarus. Glarus is German-speaking, but my grandfather looked vaguely Italian. He had a large nose, which I’m guessing is an adaptation for warming cold Alpine air before it hits the lungs (?).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  131. @For what it's worth

    His father was from Wil, which is on the train line between St. Gallen and Zurich. His mother had lived in Zermatt, the famous village at the base of the Matterhorn, which is on the Italian border, although I don’t recall if she had deep roots there.

    • Replies: @For what it's worth
  132. @Jack D

    Well im gonna try to find out. Im going to the source.The guy who told me the story isnt necessarily unreliable but Ive never known Jimmy to brag or exaggerate and the whole running to Maine for a while isnt really a good brag tale
    If i can get Jimmy to confirm it im gonna choose to believe.Now i havent spoken to Jimmy since early 90s but we are friends on fb.

  133. @Brutusale

    Brutusale unfortunately I lived in Brighton and was in st coluumkilles cyo which was ran by father Birmingham of pbs infamy.I actually got kicked out of cyo for making a comment regarding his relationships with teenage boys.I was pretty much vindicated as stuff came out.I believe we had a father kelly too,less prolific than father b but same stuff.

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