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From Mankind Quarterly:

National Intelligence and Economic Growth: A Bayesian Update

George Francis* Independent Researcher, United Kingdom

Emil O.W. Kirkegaard* Independent Researcher, Denmark

Since Lynn and Vanhanen’s book IQ and the Wealth of Nations (2002), many publications have evidenced a relationship between national IQ and national prosperity. The strongest statistical case for this lies in Jones and Schneider’s (2006) use of Bayesian model averaging to run thousands of regressions on GDP growth (1960-1996), using different combinations of explanatory variables. This generated a weighted average over many regressions to create estimates robust to the problem of model uncertainty. We replicate and extend Jones and Schneider’s work with many new robustness tests, including new variables, different time periods, different priors and different estimates of average national intelligence. We find national IQ to be the “best predictor” of economic growth, with a higher average coefficient and average posterior inclusion probability than all other tested variables (over 67) in every test run. Our best estimates find a one point increase in IQ is associated with a 7.8% increase in GDP per capita, above Jones and Schneider’s estimate of 6.1%. We tested the causality of national IQs using three different instrumental variables: cranial capacity, ancestry-adjusted UV radiation, and 19th-century numeracy scores. We found little evidence for reverse causation, with only ancestry-adjusted UV radiation passing the Wu-Hausman test (p < .05) when the logarithm of GDP per capita in 1960 was used as the only control variable.

Each author did his own easier-to-read blog post summary. Here’s Emil Kirkegaard’s.

And here’s George Francis’s Substack:

If you have heard of national IQ before then you have probably seen something like the graph below. National Intelligence has an extremely strong association with GDP per capita – roughly 70% of the variation in the wealth of nations can be explained by IQ alone. In fact, it has a very strong relationship with pretty much every national indicator for success.

Countries above the line, such as Qatar, Ireland, Luxembourg, or Singapore have higher per capita GDPs than their national average IQ would predict, while those below the line (such as Cambodia, Vietnam, Mongolia, and China) have lower actual GDPs than predicted by the IQ model.

Which set would tend to be better long-term financial investments?

 
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  1. And so. As I could have told ya without the dumb dot graph: IQ does not correlate with wealth.

    In other words–the rich are stupid. They do hire poor smart people to do smart things on their behalf. But nobody gets really rich from being smart. Smart kind of holds you back.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Disagree: Pixo
    • LOL: Coemgen
  2. Off topic: Anyone else miss this apparent black radical rampage shooting in Phoenix a couple weeks back? I saw a guy from Phoenix post online that even he had heard nothing about the shooting. And I say “apparent” black guy because (strangely) I can find no pictures of the shooter, Isaiah Williams, nor any reference to his race. All the reporting on the story forces you to infer the politically incorrect details.

    https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/new-reports-reveal-background-of-north-phoenix-mass-shooting-suspect
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Phoenix_shooting

  3. 1. Worth noting that the L&V 2002 dataset is far inferior to updated estimates by David Becker, which itself has a number of issues, e.g. Cambodia scoring above Iceland.

    2. Qatar/Ireland/Singapore are all small states that got rich either through oil or being tax-havens. This isn’t viable for most countries in the world.

  4. Pixo says:

    “ Which set would tend to be better long-term financial investments?”

    Let’s see, the big low GDP to IQ states ten years ago would be China, Vietnam, and Ukraine.

    From 4/11 to today the MCHI China index fund went from 53 to 46. The same period the Vietnam ETF VNM went from 24 to 14.
    Ukraine has no ETF. In local currency the stock market was roughly flat, but the currency dropped about 80%

    The S&P500 went from 160 to 385.

    Conclusion: IQ “undervalued” nations are poor investments.

  5. Those far below the line simply used their extra IQ points to screw things up. Cf. the Great Leap Forward. Cf. Khmer Rouge. Old story.

    GDP per capita in 1960

    China, Korea, Taiwan, Hungary, Italy, Israel… Correlation doesn’t seem like it would have been that robust back in 1960. One is reminded of Thomas Sowell’s surmise that in the Middle Ages, intelligence was of little value while brute strength paid off well. André the Giant would have been a sought-after bodyguard.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  6. Irish national income or GNP (Gross National Product) is overstated, relative to the usually-equivalent Gross Domestic Product, due to Ireland’s very large and successful Foreign Direct Investment sector and subsequently very large income flows to foreign shareholders. Large US multinationals including Apple and Facebook have European headquarters in Ireland and designate their international profits as arising there. Correcting for that distortion, measured national income falls by about 20%. It is still a wealthy country, but not such an outlier as in this graph. See, e.g. https://www.finfacts-blog.com/2011/03/ireland-gdp-or-gnp-which-is-better.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  7. Anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:

    Typically, these studies fail to acknowledge that IQ is polarized, and that two halves of the world are characterized by two radically different poles of IQ:

    Eastern Eurasia, excluding Australia, is shifted toward visual and quantitative IQ at the expense of verbal IQ.

    Western Eurasia and the Americas, on the other hand, are shifted toward verbal IQ at the expense of visual and quantitative IQ.

    These differences explain why countries like Ireland, Mexico. Luxembourg, etc, are performing way above East Asian countries like China and Japan desoite having lower IQ. It’s because IQ is a balance, and being shifted towards visual IQ has an outsized negative effect on practical intelligence, explaining why East Asians seem so dumb despite being better at solving Raven’s matrices or using an abacus. Future IQ tests will take this in to account and weight IQ by verbal peformance; visual IQ gains will result in subtractions from g scores rather than additions.

    Economic power in the modern world is dependent on verbal IQ, rather than in visual. Visual IQ and computational ability has virtually nothing to offer you in the modern economy, which is based on capital investment and ideas rather than trade surplus or manufacturing. Manufacturing doesn’t produce anything in the way of GDP. This doesn’t even get in to the enormously lucrative hospitality industry, which also feeds in to GDP gains in the visitor source countries as well.

    This is why I laugh at the few people who still believe in an “Asian century”. Most East Asian countries on this chart have GDP per capita levels comparable to or even below Latin American and African countries, and they’re declining and will soon even crash. They’re not going anywhere with their manufacturing based economies, and the main exception is Singapore which is made up of obscure dialect Chinse ethnic minorities, Indians and Malays.

  8. Anon[129] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Filed under “I Didn’t Know That”:

    Matt Yglesias was morbidly obese, got bariatric surgery, and is now only obese, close to the overweight-obese boundary. And of course he’s become an officious “I did it, so can you” proselyte.

    https://www.grid.news/story/science/2022/09/14/why-arent-medical-breakthroughs-in-obesity-a-bigger-deal/

    I hope he’s not a wine drinker. Booze—and McDonald’s milkshakes and ice cream in general—are the foods that end-run bariatric surgery. Matt will discover them and be morbidly obese, and maybe alcoholic, within five years.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  9. Countries above the line, such as Qatar, Ireland, Luxembourg, or Singapore have higher per capita GDPs than their national average IQ would predict, while those below the line (such as Cambodia, Vietnam, Mongolia, and China) have lower actual GDPs than predicted by the IQ model.

    Vietnam, Cambodia and China have fairly recent histories of massively bad environmental factors – capitalist napalm bombing and communist 5-year plans. I read this as smart people climbing out of a deep hole they didn’t dig.
    Qatar is a modest IQ population swimming in oil.
    The Irish are a witty people punching above their IQ weight due to their gift of gab and high spirits.
    Singapore is punching above its IQ weight from the legacy of their philosopher king Le Kuan Yu.
    Luxembourg I have no idea. Who knows anything about Luxembourg?
    This is the real and enjoyable diversity – the diversity of different peoples.

  10. Ireland and Luxembourg are tax havens (at least in respect to other Euro nations).

    Qatar is an oil-rich nation run by oligarchs.

    Singapore is famously relentless in its realpolitik outlook on race and IQ (thank you Lee Kuan Yew) and is ruthless in its prevention of vice, drugs, and minor crime (e.g. the Singapore caning of American tourist/miscreant Michael Fay: https://infogalactic.com/info/Michael_P._Fay).

    So it seems that the choices in order to punch above your station in GDP are either become a place where the rich and powerful call the shots and you bow to them (Ireland, Luxembourg, Qatar) or you know, do what Singapore did: acknowledge actual real differences in race and IQ, promote the best for the jobs at the top, and ruthlessly protect the lower IQ folks from falling into vices that hurt them well more than they hurt the elite.

    Lee Kuan Yew and his Singaporean success may be the best example to push back hard against the libertarian/cultural Marxist soft-on-drugs and personal vice arguments. Vices such as drugs, prostitution, gambling, and minor vandalism hurt the slower and poorer people way more than those at the top, and society has a duty to protect the less protected from them. By being so hard on those “victimless” crimes, the Singaporean government is actually, you know, protecting and helping its own citizens, and thus improving society above its pay grade.

    Imagine that: a government that works for the protection of its citizenry, especially the most vulnerable.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Thanks: ThreeCranes, ic1000
  11. Anon[129] • Disclaimer says:

    Qatar, Ireland, Luxembourg, or Singapore

    These countries have all in some way hacked the international economic legal and financial system via tax tricks, tricky corporate law privileges, finite natural resources exploitation, or unseemly and in some ways undemocratic residency or immigration systems. And they have a super elite in charge to figure this stuff out. These tricks have an expiration date. Enjoy it while you can. The EU is shutting down the Irish gravy train as we speak.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  12. Polistra says:

    One is reminded of Thomas Sowell’s surmise that in the Middle Ages, intelligence was of little value while brute strength paid off well.

    And back there is precisely where we’re headed. Someone here made a very perceptive remark about how sports rules (in particular US football and basketball) have been modified over the years to favor running and jumping vs the other major skills traditionally required.

    Expect brute strength to become more important in the future, even as it seems like symbolic analysts continue to rule the roost. And the analogy there is probably that meme which contrasts gated communities with refugee camps.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Mike Tre
  13. Mactoul says:

    Are the nation’s weighed by their population in deriving IQ model?

  14. @Polistra

    “Someone here made a very perceptive remark about how sports rules (in particular US football and basketball) have been modified over the years to favor running and jumping vs the other major skills traditionally required.”

    Not lately. Thus we now have a 45 year old star quarterback in Tom Brady because the rules have been changed to protect quarterbacks and receivers from too much pounding. And the top NBA star of recent years is Steph Curry, who is a prodigy of eye-hand coordination in part because of rule changes that make the game more favorable to the adroit over the brutish.

  15. La Griffe lu Lyon (sp?) mentioned that a small IQ elite can be relevant.

    South Africa comes into my mind, Singapore also. If that elite is used meritocratically, that elite can produce riches.

    Of course, it is absurd that investors, the world trade and economy run devoid of this knowledge. Richard Lynn deserves the Economy Nobel prize, without doubt.
    Explaining 70% of the wealth! People get Nobel prizes for 5%

    • Replies: @Gordo
  16. @Anon

    Ireland’s GDP is overstated because Apple and many other big companies represent their European profits as being earned in Ireland for tax reasons.

    • Agree: Houston 1992
  17. @Anonymous

    “explaining why East Asians seem so dumb”

    What’s dumber than Taiwan taking over the high end of the silicon chip business?

  18. @Peter Johnson

    Same with Singapore. Not that Singapore is poor, but it’s not uncommon for big American companies to report that all their Asian profits happen to have been earned in Singapore.

  19. @Anon

    He said that America has ample room for a billion migrants, but not ample migrants.

  20. @rebel yell

    The Irish are a witty people punching above their IQ weight due to their gift of gab and high spirits.

    Reminds of another group, which doesn’t punch so high in the IQ sweepstakes but makes up for it with every other kind of violence imaginable.

  21. @Steve Sailer

    Sort of OT, but anyone wanting a rich taste of colonial Singapore could do worse than enjoying The Letter starring Miss Bette Davis. Knockout performances, a cracking script (adapted from a Somerset Maugham play) and atmosphere to spare.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  22. JimDandy says:

    US Army’s Recruiting Crisis Worsens As Test Scores Drop, Disqualifications Rates Surge

    So, what are the odds that there will be another draft?

  23. @Anonymous

    It’s because IQ is a balance, and being shifted towards visual IQ has an outsized negative effect on practical intelligence, explaining why East Asians seem so dumb despite being better at solving Raven’s matrices or using an abacus. Future IQ tests will take this in to account and weight IQ by verbal peformance; visual IQ gains will result in subtractions from g scores rather than additions.

    Right. That’s why:

    Man talks, shit walks

    and not

    Man calculates, shit walks

  24. SafeNow says:

    Speaking of IQ, Fetterman, senate candidate from the country of Philadelphia, just took the appropriately named SLUMS cognitive test, to show he is OK despite his stroke. He scored 28 out of 30. 27 to 30 and you are fine. I took the test this morning out of curiosity. My main criticism of the test is that there are some questions which, if you get it wrong, hey, no big deal, you lose a point or two, it’s not the end of the world for your score. But to me, if you are flummoxed by some questions, something is unfortunately very wrong with you. For example, if you can name zero animals in one minute, you get zero points. (1 point to name 5 to 9). But I think somebody who cannot name even one animal has a severe deficit.

    https://hcpf.colorado.gov/sites/hcpf/files/SLUMS%20Examination.pdf

    • Replies: @Jon
  25. Anonymous[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    One of the authors of the above paper, George Francis, has actually looked into the verbal IQ issue, which was originally suggested by La Griffe du Lion. Francis says there doesn’t seem to be an advantage in having a skew in a particular subset of IQ, verbal or otherwise, for GDP. Also, I don’t believe places like Mexico have higher verbal IQ than the E. Asian countries.

    https://georgefrancis.substack.com/p/is-gdp-caused-by-verbal-ability-or-g-a-response-to-la-griffe-du-lion

    I then run regressions of the log of GDP per capita (2017), explained by general intelligence and each of the residualised special abilities. As you can see in the regression table, whilst general intelligence is associated with GDP per capita the specialised abilities are not statistically significant.

    It looks like having verbal or mathematical intelligence are not important for GDP, only general intelligence matters. We can go further and use Jensen’s method of correlated vectors. In the graph below, on the x-axis, we plot each question item’s correlation with the general factor of intelligence. On the y-axis, we plot each question item’s correlation with GDP per capita. These correlate at 0.74, the better a question item measures general intelligence the better it predicts GDP. GDP is related to general intelligence.

    We can go even further by taking other principal components from the PISA items, capturing other sources of variance in the intelligence tests. If there is a component of intelligence, such as verbal ability, but not general intelligence, that is related to GDP, then one of these other principal components should predict economic output. Alas, when we run the regressions with other principal components only general intelligence matters.

    The legend of La Griffe du Lion has changed how we understand IQ and economic growth, but it looks like he was wrong about the importance of verbal intelligence.

    • Thanks: HammerJack, ic1000
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @res
  26. IHTG says:
    @Anonymous

    We need a “Cope” button.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  27. @Steve Sailer

    Singapore per-capita income definitely looks over-estimated by this metric. Luxembourg is another outlier on the graph, and it has an enormous international finance sector which probably distorts its per-capita income measure. For Ireland the distortion comes from FDI (foreign direct investment) and for Luxembourg from the national income accounting for international financial activity, as I understand it. I am not an expert on this TBH. Luxembourg really is high-income, so perhaps the number is accurate? I think if measured accurately Luxembourg has notably higher per-capita resident income than Ireland.

    It is a very interesting, important, and informative graph, despite these minor data quibbles.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @astrolabe
  28. One missing factor
    La Griffe lu Lyon (sp?) mentioned that a small IQ elite can be relevant.

    Prodigy. Interesting idea. Suppose, in order to contribute significantly to a nation’s productivity, a sophisticated economy demands of its work force some minimum cognitive ability, say IQ0. We might call the population fraction with IQ > IQ0 a nation’s smart fraction. A model can be constructed based on the simple assumption that per capita GDP depends on the size of the smart fraction. In the simplest case, per capita ……

    Prodigy. Some of this is experimental error, but a few outliers are due to cause. South Africa, for example, is the world’s largest producer of platinum, gold, chromium and diamonds. None of this has much to do with human resources. Barbados and Qatar have also been favored with wealth-producing assets. Barbadian economy is based mostly on tourism. Exceptional year-round climate combined with proximity to the US strengthens its economic base irrespective of IQ. Similarly, oil revenue accounts for Qatar’s extraordinary GDP. Finally, with a market economy being necessary for prosperity, we find Communist China, with a mean IQ of 100, producing more like a country with a mean of 83.

    Mentor. What happens to the correlation when the four outliers are removed?

    Prodigy. It grows a bit to 0.79, so that 62 percent of the remaining GDP variance is now explained by IQ.

    Mentor. The relationship between IQ and individual achievement is well known. No where is it better documented than in Herrnstein and Murray’s The Bell Curve (Free Press, 1994). Lynn and Vanhanen have scaled this connection up to a national level. It looks like they have added a new dimension to the meaning of IQ.

    Prodigy. I do have a few modest observations. In Figure 2, the data is divided into contributions from four groups: blacks, (European) whites, East Asians and “others.” I did not include the outliers: South Africa, Barbados, Qatar and China

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

    .

    South Africa comes into my mind, Singapore also. If that elite is used meritocratically, that elite can produce riches.

    Of course, it is absurd that investors, the world trade and economy run devoid of this knowledge. Richard Lynn deserves the Economy Nobel prize, without doubt.
    Explaining 70% of the wealth! People get Nobel prizes for 5%

    • Replies: @res
  29. Franz says:
    @JimDandy

    So, what are the odds that there will be another draft?

    No.

    Recruitment posters are going up in Guatemala, Honduras, Nigeria and so on.

    Fact is Obama had some of them up ten years ago.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  30. Anonymous[140] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    They didn’t take over anything. All the Taiwanese companies depend on Dutch ASML for their EUV lithograohy machines. They can’t make chips withoutthe Netherlands. And as we saw from two years ago, the US is able to tell AMSL who they can and cannot sell chips to. So who really controls their company?

    From the chart in your post, Taiwan’s GDP per capita is abouf the same level as Mexico. So making chips isn’t doing jack for Taiwan’s economy.

    Now let’s talk about how fucking stupid the average Asian seems when talking to them on the individual level.

  31. @JimDandy

    A draft would have to include women as well as men.

    Blue state liberals want to virtue signal re Putin, say, but not send their only daughter Jennifer to train with MAGA people and see her posted on the Ukrainian front.

    A draft means the general population would have skin, DNA in the game. Citizens would have to think harder about FP, and they would engage more serious;y in politics. Does our Elite really want that kind of engagement ?

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
  32. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    A substack blog is not a study. George Francis is not going to get valuable results if he doesn’t take in to account oil rich gulf countries, small countries in the caribbean with booming tourist economies, etc. Let’s just compare Europe and North America to East Asia. You’re going to see that there’s a clear positive link between verbal IQ and GDP per capita. What I’m suggesting to you is that visual IQ actully decreases intelligence; that high visual IQ = low economic viability. Probably because high visual IQ is linked to autism-like social ineptitude. That’s why Latin Americans have generally superior economic performanceto East Asians despite having much lower IQs; their IQ balance is closer to zero because they aren’t weighted down by high visual and high quantitative IQ.

  33. @Steve Sailer

    Let’s be fair: the rule changes to protect quarterbacks are all about ratings.

    White guys in the QB position who don’t have to worry about a 1970s or 1950s style hit can stick around till their late 30s or early 40s and rack up a lot of yards and points in an exciting passing game while being the defacto leader on the field and give the mostly-white fan base someone to cheer for and identify with and emulate.

    But without those rule changes we’d get a lot more low-scoring games and white quarterbacks out by 30 or 35 or the QB position becoming akin to another running back position with a substitution every down of three black QBs who just do end arounds and are out by 25.

    A big handsome jock white guy leading a team to a high-scoring victory is for the ratings.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  34. Thoughts says:
    @Anonymous

    High Verbal IQ people are predators and just cause trouble without contributing much to the building of society

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @kicktheroos
  35. Gordo says:
    @SiNCERITY.net

    South Africa comes into my mind, Singapore also. If that elite is used meritocratically, that elite can produce riches.

    South Africa managed to make oil from coal, develop vaccines and manufacture half a dozen nukes before we sabotaged it.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  36. Gordo says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Lee Kuan Yew and his Singaporean success may be the best example to push back hard against the libertarian/cultural Marxist soft-on-drugs and personal vice arguments. Vices such as drugs, prostitution, gambling, and minor vandalism hurt the slower and poorer people way more than those at the top,

    Not so sure on the prostitution, next time you are out there visit Orchard Towers, their happy slogan is “Four Floors of Whores”.

  37. Mark G. says:

    The higher European verbal IQ probably enabled them to develop a better legal system. When the Anglo legal system was imposed on Hong Kong, they did better than the mainland Chinese. Property rights and the rule of law are very important for economic success.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @anonymous
  38. You can’t use GDP, you have to use GDP at PPP (Purchasing power Parity).
    We all know that most things are a lot cheaper if you buy them in China not US.

    Pretty sure though that would make the regression line even stronger as China the biggest PPP economy in the world would move closer to the line.

    • Replies: @res
  39. @Peter Johnson

    There should be a way to build a model with about a half dozen factors that has a very high correlation coefficient.

    • Replies: @Recently Based
  40. J.Ross says:
    @obwandiyag

    Almost all the truly rich are inheritors, they are Oblomov, they have been protected from personal development by a computer-assisted industry of preservation undreamt-of in the day of Oblomov. Plus the lyingpress never talks about the truly rich, and that one guy who did got sent to prison for robbing a bank he didn’t rob and will spend the rest of his life being watched. The rich you hear about in the media are still almost always inheritors (Musk’s dad owned an emerald mine, Bezos was able to tap rich relatives for initial investment), but they’re generally shmoes who had one good idea and actually followed it up all the way. Before the Revolutions, the aristocrats were theoretically a martial class upholding certain values, and were concretely pursuing learning and upholding traditions. This was supposedly traded for meritocracy. If there were any meritocracy, the folks with titles in front of their names and real estate claims in back of their names would win every time. Our current nobles are Ed Bundy, but he’s born in the age of “sneaker collectors” and copyrighted a certain kind of sneaker, so he’s Ed Bundy of the Bundy Foundation.

    • Replies: @bomag
  41. @Pixo

    Why only since 4/11?

    • Replies: @Pixo
  42. @Pixo

    “From 4/11 to today the MCHI China index fund went from 53 to 46. The same period the Vietnam ETF VNM went from 24 to 14.”

    Could it be that China doesn’t want to provide mega-returns for Vanguard? Because as a number of Unz contributors have remarked, China is advancing on pretty much all fronts in terms of both private and public wealth – the bullet trains, new housing, higher levels of manufacturing technology.

    https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/chinas-high-speed-trains-america-where-are-you/

    China is already giving firms like GE and Apple cheap and competent manufacturing. I’d imagine the ideal for China is getting Western know-how and investment while ensuring that as little wealth as possible leaves the country, unless it’s in Chinese hands – see Vancouver house prices. They’ll have seen what “Western economics” did for Russia in the 90s.

    China’s an object lesson that IQ doesn’t necessarily mean national prosperity – it pretty much missed out on the first industrial revolution, although a thousand years ago it was probably the most industrialised place in the world, with steel production not matched by Britain til the 1840s.

    In the 1950s, China, admittedly after a war fought on its territory, was starving while the British were building nuclear power stations. Today the British need Chinese help to make nuclear power stations.

    I used to think it was sad that China built the Great Firewall. Now I think how sensible they were.

  43. J.Ross says:
    @Mark G.

    I am convinced that superior European legal reasoning is an accidental effect of inferior European centralization of power. Europeans were smarter because they had to be sharper. In governments and in instititions, centralization is dishonesty, it enables corruption and erases local good ideas. Or: had the Chinese conquered and governed old Europe, it would be un-European, its people at all levels would be dumber and far less honest, it would be dedicated to unnecessary centralization, and it would be dysfunctionally corrupt. But China conquering medieval Europe is a silly idea. Anyway, how’s Russia doing?

  44. @Thulean Friend

    Qatar/Ireland/Singapore are all small states that got rich either through oil or being tax-havens.

    Yeah, Ireland, Singapore, and to a lesser extent Luxembourg do a lot of offshore tax stuff that boosts their GDP, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into higher local incomes so well. If they were using the old GNP measure, they probably would not look so exceptional.

    Qatar may do a bit of offshore stuff (like nearby Dubai and Bahrain) as well, but as you say, their big thing is just sitting on a deep well of petro wealth.

    • Agree: Prester John
    • Replies: @Prester John
  45. J.Ross says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    When English Jews of the American South-West Go Bad: A Jon Ronson Special Report.

    • Replies: @Dan Kurt
  46. If collective IQ means anything, it definitely is not the decisive factor in a country’s success & development.

    Many rich countries are just lucky, the best example being oil rich Arab lands. Then, some are simply temporarily rich due to foreign investments, like Ireland. Also, many currently powerful or rich countries, which could be said to possess high IQ, are headed towards disaster because they’re delusional about “other” races & cultures, and hence blinded – no level of IQ can help them. They lost the will to be themselves, clearly individualized peoples.

    And, even those homogeneous countries with high IQ cannot achieve something great if they lack cultural and historical elements that would propel them to greatness. Individualism, creativity, a balanced attitude toward law, avoidance of extremism & a higher level of critical thinking are elements that are simply not measurable.

    That said, with dumb breeders you can’t achieve anything.

    • Replies: @Deadite
  47. It used to be said that a low IQ country cannot succeed without Oil, and a high IQ country cannot fail without Socialism. Is that still the case? Some of the high-achieving/low IQ countries seem to benefit from tourism and financial services.

  48. OT- I’ve seen and read stuff re. the queen Elizabeth funeral.

    England has become a joke.

    Only “English” people who show vitality and want to preserve white Britain are- Irish. I’d say that most English nationalists are essentially Irish (real Irish, Hibernian Catholics), while “real” English are cucked beyond anything imaginable.

    Sasana go bragh.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  49. Feryl says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Charles Murray is right about one thing: elites became disconnected from the underclass in terms of lauding hedonistic libertarian social values while not realizing that traditionally, moral restraints must be imposed most forcefully upon the underclass who do not have the intellect to engage in drug use, sex, crime etc. in moderation.

    Murray points out that upper class Americans are more religious, more likely to have stable families, more likely to stay out of prison, etc., but they also have (hypocritically) rejected their traditional role of promoting and imposing behavioral restraint upon the lower classes.

    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
  50. Anon[535] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thoughts

    Low verbal IQ people are an ever-replenishing supply of idiots who contribute nothing to society. Most of the stuff they “produce” ends up in the landfill, and their inefficient economies wreak havoc on the natural world while producing very little gain for their country. Meanwhile all of them keep their eyes glued to the Verbal IQ Jewtube for every waking hour they have off work. Humans are addicted to Jewtube and would rather watch Jewtube than do anything else. Most people would sell their children’s souls to the devil for Jewtube and pornography. High verbal IQ people aren’t predators, they’re Gods and humanity must worship them. Humanity is automatically and instinctively compelled to do so. Who do you think wrote the law?

  51. @Anonymous

    Latin America (and the whole western hemisphere in general) has high land/population ratios. East Asia has the highest population/land ratios.

    Ironically, within Europe this pattern reverses. High population/land western Europe is wealthier than high land/population eastern Europe.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian, Pixo
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  52. Feryl says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Boomers and Gen X made sports vicious in the 70’s-90’s, now their kids play in leagues in which rules have legislated away much of the nastiness.

  53. Jon says:
    @SafeNow

    Only being able to name 0-4 animals in a minute is pretty bad, but I think not being able to answer the “What is the year?” or “What state are we in?” questions might be worse. If I were a voter in PA, I’d really like to know which two points he missed. There are only really three questions on there – 4/7 (list recall), 5 (simple math), and 11 (story recall) – where getting it wrong wouldn’t immediately raise a red flag that something is seriously wrong with the person.

  54. Gc says:

    IQ has always been important. In later medieval times a lot of castles were build in Europe. They were shown to be very effective in Hungary and could stop the Mongols.

  55. OT, but there’s apparently been an increase in freight flights from Tel Aviv to Baku (Azerbijan) – last time that happened was leading up to the 2020 Autumn War when the Azeris took back most of Nagorno-Karabakh (and killed very unpleasantly elderly Armenians who stayed in their homes).

    Turkey is moving troops to the Armenian border. Looks as if the US are planning a distraction for Russia, having Armenian Christians attacked and murdered. While I detest Erdogan, his balancing act between the US and Russia is impressive.

    Iran is reportedly moving troops to the Azeri border, so it’s possible we’ll see the spectacle of Iranians trying to defend Christians from the proxy forces of The Great Satan.

    And as luck would have it, there’s more trouble on the Tajik-Kirghiz border.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/17/fighting-flares-on-disputed-kyrgyzstan-tajikistan-border-killing-dozens

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @JR Foley
  56. sb says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Yeah, many Singaporeans are quite rich and the not so rich live fairly well.
    But they, and other prosperous East Asians, don’t breed (I think South Koreans are the worst)
    Rich countries that don’t breed are very appealing places for the world’s poor to move to. There are plenty of shitty jobs available

  57. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:

    Expect brute strength to become more important in the future, even as it seems like symbolic analysts continue to rule the roost. And the analogy there is probably that meme which contrasts gated communities with refugee camps.

    It’s happening right now, the process is about 1/4 done.
    * The “symbolic analysts” (good phrase!) are now saying whatever they are told to say. This has been the case since the end of WW II, but the COVID-19 and the invaluable services of Dr. Fauci in demolishing the credibility of “expert” symbolic analysts has ended the worth of symbolic analysts.
    That’s too bad, as I’m a bit of symbolic analyst myself. Symbolic analysis can uncover many important things to know, but if the analysts are easily suborned then no result o analysis can do much good.
    * Black coalition (headed by Obama) now controls the Presidency and Hollywood, having driven out the Jewish coalition [1]. Black coalition is successful because, in the Medieval sense, their simplicity protects them against Jewish Coalition propaganda. The Black coalition relies on simple force, simple repetition of “I am the greatest”, and very simple plans (Since Obama’s second term we’ve seen the appearance of “Make it legal to burn down the cities” and “Overwhelm the European descended ethnic groups with immigration” and “Take all the White people’s guns away” and “Make political activity by Whites into treason”). The Jewish coalition acted by paralyzing their opposition’s command structure with clever arguments backed by treachery and occasional use of overwhelming force against small targets. Brute force has taken the day.
    * It looks like the idea of an “Anglo-Saxon” or even “Germanic” ethnic group with its own adaptations and abilities is returning; see: Fraser, The WASP Question, 2011. Fraser points out that oath taking (for an example of personal responsibility) is a specific way of organizing society that is present only in Europe, and exceptionally strong in England among Anglo-Saxons. Most societies rely on various forms of collective responsibility and conformity enforcement. For example, the Anglo-Saxon answer to a misbehaving private security guard is to discipline the guard. Other societies prefer to suppress the misbehavior by threatening to punish the victim they attempt to obtain compensation for the injury.
    Obviously, increasingly so with time, the Anglo-Saxon system is not compatible with the “other societies”. OTH, the “other societies” are not compatible with industrial civilization [2]. The Anglo-Saxons are slowly beginning to realize both of those assertions, and to adopt the “diversity” arguments to defense of Anglo-Saxons.
    The weakness of other societies is that they have no source of income other than sale of resources and a peasant level agricultural sector. [3]

    1] https://www.takimag.com/article/hollywoods-jews-get-their-wandering-papers/

    2]The machine’s secret, and the secret of industrial civilization: machines don’t react well to face-saving coverups.

    But remember, please, the Law by which we live,
    We are not built to comprehend a lie,
    We can neither love nor pity nor forgive.
    If you make a slip in handling us you die!

    3] https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-trillion-dollar-research-funds-squandered-travel-and-leisure

    • Replies: @Anon
  58. Some thoughts:

    1. There’s another key variable that’s not measured – personality trait conscientiousness. In Sg, we test rigorously for it, and the elite who possess both high IQ and conscientiousness are sieved out and given every opportunity to run things. In short, we leverage ruthlessly on the elite instead of letting matters take their natural course.

    I did well on IQ, but less so on conscientiousness (I always suspect we have a way to measure it), but still got a scholarship that paid for my education. I’m now teaching at a lower-ranked junior college (pre-university), honing the minds and skills of those students not quite elite, but still quite smart (approx ~115 IQ). Well, at least I try.

    2. The minorities (malays) who drag down our average IQ are monitored closely to ensure they don’t drag down the rest of the country. There’s also a general uplift program in place, somewhat similar to affirmative action, but in a more effective way. E.g. no bonus scores for entry into academic courses, but those that make it on pure merit receive monetary/financial bonuses/subsidies.

    A lot of it via what the govt call ‘self-help’ groups, which are actually all government linked and often ethnically based, e.g. Mendaki, MUIS, and ostensibly based on socio-economic grounds, but in actual practice turn out to be race-based.

    3. Vietnam should catch up on its GDP. They are an ambitious, driven, and smart people. I had Vietnamese students in Singapore on scholarships, and I held them in higher regard than my native Sg students, who are admittedly not the cream of our local crop. The local elite go to Hwa Chong or Raffles.

  59. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I find the Ireland IQ hilarious. Irish have common overlapping, similar DNA with UK folks historically over a Millennium, as well as emigration to Australia and likely New Zealand, yet still have a ~10 point deficit. The Irish diaspora is embedded in these countries over the last century and America as well. Maybe they lower those nations’ IQs? Who knows.

    The Irish National school system is pretty advanced too.

    At the end of the day maybe it was the constant Brain Drain, especially pre-Celtic Tiger, as well as Catholicism.

    Ask Derbyshire.

  60. Beliavsky says:

    There is little correlation across countries between stock returns and GDP growth. You can look for example at Exhibit 1 of a 2010 paper “Is There a Link Between GDP Growth
    and Equity Returns?” https://www.msci.com/documents/10199/a134c5d5-dca0-420d-875d-06adb948f578.

  61. @R.G. Camara

    Re. Fay’s caning.

    Aristotle said that a punishment should be severe enough to act as a deterrent going forward but not so severe as to induce permanent resentment in the recipient, resentment which would morph into revolutionary reaction. Caning would seem to fit the bill fairly well.

    • Agree: Dutch Boy
    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
  62. @rebel yell

    “. . . capitalist napalm bombing. . . ”

    Is your brain an extension of your television set?

    • Replies: @Fluesterwitz
  63. @Malcolm X-Lax

    The name alone is a dead giveaway but, never mind.

    Surprise! No coverage nationally on the State-run media (print and electronic).

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  64. anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:

    Indian average IQ is complex because a handful of great groups are submerged by many lesser groups. Tamil Brahmins, numbering 2 million, have staggering accomplishments in winning elite science prizes and becoming CEOs of megacaps.

    -3 out of 4 Indian Nobelists in sciences (not counting economics)
    -1 of 2 Indian Fields Medalists
    -Lone Indian Abel Prize winner
    -Lone Indian Breakthrough Prize winner
    -Lone Indian world chess champion

    By my count the top 10 companies by revenue led by Indian origin CEOs are

    -Google (Sundar Pichar)
    -Microsoft (Satya Nadella)
    -IBM (Arvind Krishna)
    -Adobe (Shantanu Narayen)
    -Deloitte (Punit Renjen)
    – Fedex (Raj Subramaniam)
    – Diaego (Ivan Menezes)
    – Novartis (Vasant Narasimhan)
    – Starbucks (Laxman Narasimhan) [starting in April]
    – Albertsons (Vivek Sankaran)

    Based on last names, it appears the CEOs of Google, Fedex, Novartis, Starbucks, and Albertsons are Tamil Brahmins. 5 out of 10. Can anyone with knowledge verify?

    There are 4 other megacaps (around \$20 billion revenue) led by Indian origin CEOs: Flex, Micron, Barclays, and Chanel. The Barclays CEO (C. S. Venkatakrishnan) appears to be Tamil Brahmin.

    • Thanks: Yahya
  65. @Almost Missouri

    “…their big thing is just sitting on a deep well of petro wealth.”

    The “Beverly Hillbillies Phenomenon?”

  66. @JimDandy

    This is due to the the declining white population. The actual number of young White Americans has collapsed since 1990. Back then America had 60 million white males under the age of 40. Today we have just 42 million white males under the age of 40. The loss of 18 million white males combined with the rise in obesity makes it impossible to maintain a large effective military. We are starting to observe the results of this unprecedented decline in the white population.

  67. @Anonymous

    Yikes. Don’t say it out loud, Moshe.

  68. Deadite says:
    @obwandiyag

    Au contraire.

    Ireland had no inheritance to speak of. They were basically a slave state for longer than blacks claimed slavery in the Americas. Neither did Singapore. But they are on top. With most of the dots unnamed it’s hard to pick out. But please don’t tell me that Poland or any of the Eastman European countries have an inheritance.

  69. @Malcolm X-Lax

    And I say “apparent” black guy because (strangely) I can find no pictures of the shooter, Isaiah Williams, nor any reference to his race

    A curious case. The color of the killer wasn’t worth mentioning in the news report. But once again the “white” color of the victims’ car was a detail worth reporting. As others have pointed out, reporters love to report on “white” cars being involved in shootings by black people.

    Phoenix Police say Williams randomly fired around 200 rounds, aiming at buildings, cars, and people. A white sedan happened to pull into the parking lot while Williams was on his rampage. Two people inside the car were killed, and three others escaped the hail of bullets.

    The only clue in the Wikipedia page on the shooting is a cryptic statement that “In text messages, Williams recommended a book called The Destruction of Black Civilization.”

    • Replies: @ic1000
  70. Deadite says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Ireland had a highly educated workforce but were poor as dirt. You make it seem like industries dropped out of the sky and magically made them rich.

    It was Intelligence and adaption of the cult of Milton Friedman that did that. So their wealth will not be temporary.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @nokangaroos
  71. @Steve Sailer

    computer chips are a commodity. I’m not sure why the factories were located in Taiwan and Malaysia originally. But the US just passed legislation to bring chip manufacturing back on shore to the US for national security reasons, which may wipe out Taiwan’s industry.

  72. @Henry Canaday

    Do you mean the air force sourced their napalm via donations?

  73. Kim says:
    @sb

    The indonesians who go to korea to work in factories are not immigrants. End of contract they renew or go home.

  74. @Steve Sailer

    I work with East Asians–the last word I’d use to describe them is “dumb.” Anonymous, my guess is you know NOTHING about Asian culture. Start with Akira Kurosawa’s ‘Ikiru’ (1952).

    • Replies: @puttheforkdown
  75. @Malcolm X-Lax

    The case’s indicators are all over the place:

    Black:
    More injured than killed (Sailer’s Law)
    No media mention of killer’s race or politics
    Glancing media mentions of “race relations”
    Blackish name

    White:
    Tactical gear and massive ammo load
    Both parents
    “Good family”
    Film school
    “Depressed”
    Name could also be Mormon or Baptist

    And the winner is …

    [MORE]

    Mullatto!

    photos of Isaiah Steven Williams he would kill 2 people and injure 5 others before taking his own life from masskillers

    Also, leftist, hence his social media and politics got no media attention.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  76. ic1000 says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    > The only clue in the Wikipedia page on the shooting is a cryptic statement that “In text messages, [the shooter, Isaiah] Williams recommended a book called The Destruction of Black Civilization.”

    LOL

    Below the fold, an excerpt from amazon’s synopsis of Chancellor Williams’ 1992 book. 3,700 reviews, 4.8/5 stars.

    [MORE]

    …The book is premised on the question: “If the Blacks were among the very first builders of civilization and their land the birthplace of civilization, what has happened to them that has left them since then, at the bottom of world society, precisely what happened? The Caucasian answer is simple and well-known: The Blacks have always been at the bottom.” Williams instead contends that many elements—nature, imperialism, and stolen legacies— have aided in the destruction of the black civilization. The Destruction of Black Civilization is revelatory and revolutionary because it offers a new approach to the research, teaching, and study of African history by shifting the main focus from the history of Arabs and Europeans in Africa to the Africans themselves…

    Many of the top-ranked reviews are pretty good, too.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
  77. I would be interested in seeing a chart of national IQ for just the top 50% of each country to account for any population groups that a dragging down the average. The Anglo-Saxon countries would probably see a big jump, the east asian countries probably not so much.

  78. @Anonymous

    ASML sells their litho equipment to TSMC, Samsung and Intel. The former 2 are down to 3 nm chips. Intel is stuck at 10 nm and struggled to get there and is at least 3 years behind. Apple is dropping Intel chips for TSMC’s. If it is as easy as buying equipment from ASML why can’t Intel get down to 3 nm?

    • Replies: @Dan Kurt
  79. @Thulean Friend

    I lived in Singapore in the 90s, and it did a LOT more than offer low tax rates to become the economic success that it is.

    • Replies: @Anon
  80. @Anonymous

    obscure dialect Chinse ethnic minorities

    Look, fair points except there’s nothing obscure about Hakka, Hokkien. And Mandarin is official there anyways.

    Physiognomy says a lot. At the US-ASEAN summit, senility aside Joe looks the part of the alpha male while Singapore’s Lee Hsien Loong despite being the same height has poor posture and wears ill fitting suit. The funniest looking one is far left Lim Jock Hoi, Brunei Chinese.
    Striking contrast here, from SCO Uzbekistan summit, the most alpha looking guy is probably second from right, Mongolian president Uchnaagiin Chürelsüch, also founder of Harley-Davidson club there.
    Same here, Xi despite being same genetic stock (northern Chinese), no comparison in terms of physique and T-level. Confucian, agrarian cultures breeds for conformism and obedience, which facilitates building industrial output but not the innovation edge.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • LOL: BB753
  81. @obwandiyag

    That’s true sometimes. In the case of Quatar, they are rich because of oil. Same with Nigeria, except that the Niggerean “leadership” is such a brazen kleptocracy that it doesn’t bother to look after the masses (and also keep the masses from becoming “masses” to start with).

  82. @Steve Sailer

    Finesse is more fun to watch than a pure diplay of athletic ability. Otherwise, the 100 yard dash and bench press competitions would have the highest ratings.

    • Replies: @megabar
  83. @Steve Sailer

    There definitely is, and in fact the problem is that there are so many ways to build models with different lists of factors, all of which will show high correlations (i.e., the outcome is wildly over-determined).

    The key challenge is determining which factors are causal. That’s why the researchers tried this Bayesian work-arond.

  84. Ian Smith says:
    @obwandiyag

    Tiny-Duck-but-not-funny strikes again!

  85. bomag says:
    @J.Ross

    Plenty of Oblomovs out there. More in the lower classes than the upper classes.

    That’s how we move ahead: one idea at a time. And the smart guys tend to generate more singular ideas that make a difference.

  86. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Take into account the Catholic religion. The Church has been singularly good at building community (I.e. social skills) and teaching “simple people”, the “little ones”, how to work productively for centuries. The technology transfer at the community level during the Spanish Virreinato was astounding, with Indians reaching university teaching positions, and also doing individually creative —if lower IQ— jobs very well.

    Productivity is not only about IQ.

  87. bomag says:
    @Thulean Friend

    All those above the line have some kind of advantage: on a trade route; coastal; next to a wealthy country/countries; oil.

    Thus the Caribbean countries are high (except Haiti); South Africa and those next to it.

    Those below the line tend to be backwaters.

  88. @Hypnotoad666

    Not really. The subsidies will allow for more production, BUT the emphasis is on “next-generation” chips. The chips currently produced will still be made in Taiwan. Also, Taiwan does almost all chip testing, so we could still see US semiconductors sent to Taiwan for testing.

  89. BB753 says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Lol, it’s been decades since anybody has called Joe Biden an alpha! Not even Dr. Gill.
    Look, Biden still has most of the NW European height but he’s painfully senile to watch and shouldn’t be paraded around in public.
    Confucianism may have bred for conformism but what about our modern decadent liberal Western culture? It breeds for conformism and sloth and idiocy. ( Disclaimer: I’m not remotely Asian nor particularly sinophile but really your post is over the top).

  90. Anonymous[384] • Disclaimer says:

    Countries above the line, such as Qatar, Ireland, Luxembourg, or Singapore have higher per capita GDPs than their national average IQ would predict, while those below the line (such as Cambodia, Vietnam, Mongolia, and China) have lower actual GDPs than predicted by the IQ model.

    Which set would tend to be better long-term financial investments?

    Cambodia, Vietnam, Mongolia, and China because they have more natural resources.

  91. Alfa158 says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Memory chips are pretty much a commodity, relatively simple designs that consist mostly of millions of the same cells. The money is in complex devices such a CPU’s and graphics chips, and specialized application specific integrated circuits for industrial and military functions.
    I used to work for a microelectronics company that had US foundries. It got offshored for a number reasons.
    – Foundries are eight-digit, multi-billion dollar investments. It is a lot easier to raise the money in countries where the government encourages and assists in the investment. Wall Street banks have a more jaundiced eye towards a technically risky investment as opposed to putting the same money into a chain of big box retailers selling stuff made in China. The US government legislation is a step towards emulating how foreign governments have encouraged their microelectronics industry.
    – Other countries have put effort into expediting and supporting the construction of these plants, clearing permits and environmental impact reports, building support infrastructure for power, worker housing, education, transportation infrastructure, and subsidizing exports of the finished product.
    – Microcircuit manufacturing needs a quite large body of engineers, technicians and diligent high IQ workers involved in the etching, bonding, encapsulation, and testing of these chips. The pool in the US has shrunk as our educational system, and the raw material for that system has degraded, and young people want to be lawyers, MBA’s and rock stars instead of competing against Asian immigrants for techno-nerd careers. Now we need to maintain high levels of skilled immigration to fully staff our high tech industries. If these proposed newly onshore chip foundries are built I will be very surprised if the majority of the staff are native born.

  92. @Meretricious

    “Human Photocopiers” might be a better descriptor, although the Japanese have quite a bit of creativity to them as well. They certainly made some great contributions in the 20th c (anime notwithstanding…)

    I think EA’s just end up going to extremes too often.Their whole society gets stuck on some harebrained pattern, much like an autistic person stimming until their caretaker can smack the behavior out of them.

    White Europeans have all the intelligence of the yellow folk but are far more balanced and in the end, that makes all the difference.

  93. JimDandy says:
    @Franz

    Recruitment posters are going up in Guatemala, Honduras, Nigeria and so on

    That’s interesting. How do you know? Any links?

    • Replies: @Franz
  94. @Conduit Cut

    I agreed and almost made mention of that; however, he could just be very light skinned. Biracial with his dad being the black half, given his name. Or he could just be a white kid with negrophilia and an unusually black sounding name for a white kid. Another detail is he graduated from ASU with a Film Studies degree. Like, I said. This case is weird.

  95. @Prester John

    The shooting happened around the time of the Memphis kidnapping/rape/murder of Eliza Fletcher, and the rampage shooting of the black guy (also in Memphis) a few days later. Maybe the national media made a collective decision that this was enough bad PR for blacks/Democrats the week and wouldn’t want anyone getting the right idea about race and crime.

  96. @Anonymous

    It is questionable whether all this works.

    Putting aside religious fanaticism & ideological lunacy- could any European, more populous country (apart from ex-powers) build anything similar to Iran’s satellites, rockets,…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran

    https://www.unesco.org/reports/science/2021/en/iran

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/186365/Iran-among-top-5-countries-in-nanotechnology

    Iran among top 5 countries in nanotechnology

    ………………………………………………………
    This shows that Iran, not only Tehran has ranked fifth in the world in terms of nanoscience production, but also has the greatest focus, along with four other developed countries, on the most emerging and advanced fields of science and technology.

    According to the criterion, China is clear at the top while the other countries of the United States, South Korea, India and Iran are in second to fifth places. In the ranking, Iran is higher than all European countries, as well as Japan while they have spent billions of dollars in the field of nanotechnology.
    ……………………………………………………………

    US blacks are said to have IQ 85. Iran has 84.

    Do you believe that blacks could achieve anything similar?

    That’s why I am skeptical about these things (of course that Iranians are religious nutjobs, but here the topic is IQ, not mental sanity or critical thinking).

  97. Pixo says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Arbitrary date, 4/2011 is the oldest date on Apple’s stocks app for MCHI, the first one I looked up.

    Really the insight here for an investment is a high IQ poor nation that is capitalist, secure from invasion, and a demographic boom about to blow up the working age population.

    That would let you grab great investments in Japan and Korea circa 1975. But it is a null set now. Maybe the Philippines.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
  98. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Latin America (and the whole western hemisphere in general) has high land/population ratios.

    Huh? I don’t get what you’re saying. Mexico has a very low land/population ratio, if we define land as arable. Most of it is just worthless, useless desert.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  99. @ic1000

    I read elsewhere that the book was initially recommended iirc to Williams by some University of Houston professor who is also (I shit you not) a part-time Uber driver. The wiki page of Chancellor Williams reads like it was written by the Minister of Information of some wacky black radical organization. He’s a We Wuz Kangz “historian” but there’s not even a “controversies” paragraph or even a single sentence. There are complaints to this effect about it in the “talk” page of the article, though.

    • Replies: @Pixo
  100. Pixo says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “ China is advancing on pretty much all fronts in terms of both private and public wealth”

    I am doing pretty well on the real estate and financial asset front, but sons are my great wealth. Chinese TFR is below 1 and slipping. Fix that and maybe I will seriously engage with Based Illiberal Xi copes.

    Otherwise China’s just a dirty corrupt servile and poor version of Japan/Korea/Taiwan.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Anon
    , @AnotherDad
  101. @rebel yell

    “due to their gift of gab and high spirits” it´s a tax haven. “High spirit”? I don’t know…
    Same with Luxembourg and Singapore, also tax havens.

  102. Reply says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Watch Tom Brady have a lousy season due to the Giselle Bundchen marriage upheavals. Even Tom can’t outrun his subconscious.

    • LOL: Muggles
  103. @Alfa158

    The pool in the US has shrunk as our educational system, and the raw material for that system has degraded, and young people want to be lawyers, MBA’s and rock stars instead of competing against Asian immigrants for techno-nerd careers.

    An acquaintance was visiting a ham radio club in one of the southern states and the big guy there, who had owned a company making communications equipment for one of the big names in the USA said that the hobby was dying because no one was interested in what makes stuff worked, only that they could press a few buttons to get what they wanted.

    A far cry from what the US space program inspired in response to the USSR’s Sputnik. Killed off the space program for the War on Poverty and what Blacks wanted.


  104. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Your a moron stop using terms like alpha and t levels sounds dumb, t levels dont mean one is automatically alpha pics dont mean crap what counts is courage and bravery and intelligence, besides asians are the best athletes pound for pound, we have speed agility and strenth chinese weight lifting team is the best in the world, google 150 lb viet lifting 400 lbs, also change your name we have nothing to do with Koreans and jappanis unless your whitey ,then you should just stay away from chinese affairs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  105. pirelli says:

    Someone give me the short version of why Ireland’s National IQ is so much lower than that of other Northern European countries (and lower than Italy’s for that matter).

    Whenever I see the Irish IQ stat I’m reminded of Joyce’s line in Ulysses where he describes “[his] people” as “a horde of jerkined dwarves.” Are the Irish really in some sense an atavistic remnant population? The average IQ of Irish Americans beats the European-American average, so I’m a bit skeptical the explanation here is genetic (of course one reason Irish, Italian, and Greek Americans outscore the white average is that they emigrated during a period of rapid urbanization, tended to emigrate to cities, and their descendants have stayed in or near cities). But you’d have thought Irish IQ would’ve converged with English by now…

    “Then from the starving cagework city a horde of jerkined dwarves, my people, with flayers’ knives, running, scaling, hacking in green blubbery whalemeat…”

    • Replies: @Graham
  106. @Thoughts

    High verbal people are the sneakiest and most cunning people, from western europe to north indians one can never trust these races.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  107. @Anonymous

    For uncounted generations many of the most impressive Irishmen became priests, as they did in Britain until the Reformation. Terrible waste of their best genes, and IMHO not even scriptural. Wasn’t St Peter married?

    It was post-Reformation that British science flourished. Imagine, there’d be no Newton without the Reformation, as his father was a clergyman.

    The brain drain might be another factor. Lots of clever Irishmen (and Welshman and Scots) came to England via the Victorian Navy or Army, as I know from my own family history.

  108. JimDandy says:
    @Houston 1992

    You mean the group that is militantly lining their children up for the vaxx?

  109. @Almost Missouri

    Excellent work. Also for black: the We Wuz Kangz reading list. But for white, the back of his neck, which from the video appeared fairly light skinned. So my best guess was biracial (in-the-home black dad and Obama-esque white or jewish mother). The references to his “anti-police” and “anti-government” sentiment (which almost certainly of the ACAB variety and not the hands-off-our-guns variety). The media is being coy here hoping people will infer the latter without diving too deep. But it still wouldn’t surprise me to see the FBI categorize this as far-right extremism, even though it clearly is not.

  110. anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mark G.

    Interesting observation. I suspect Chinese/East Asian women have higher verbal IQs than Chinese/East Asian men. In other regions of the world it seems like men have better or equal verbal IQs compared to women. I don’t have much evidence to back this up. One scrap of evidence I do have is data on the lopsided ratio of women to men at Chinese elite law schools.

    Tsinghua University School of Law Bachelor’s program

    M | F

    2014: 37 | 77 = 114
    2015: 22 | 51 =73
    2016: 37 | 61= 98
    2017: 28 | 61 = 89

    Tsinghua Law School is the 3rd best law school in China. It is like Harvard Law School, which is the 2nd or 3rd best law school in the US. The number 1 law schools in both countries (Yale in the US) are known for producing academics rather than corporate lawyers. I make this point because there is no apparently good cultural reason for Chinese men to go into an engineering program rather than attend Tsinghua Law school because it is the path to a very high paying career.

    It makes me believe Chinese women must have higher verbal IQs and that is why they have better representation at elite Chinese law schools. However, my inkling is contradicted by a study done by Richard Lynn and a co-author.

    Sex Differences on the WAIS-III in Taiwan and the United States
    Hsin-Yi Chen and Richard Lynn. Pages 324-328.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N3qokmbgctVMktN5pU8dUbrzMmHns1CJ/view?usp=sharing

    Taiwanese men have an average verbal IQ 4 points higher than Taiwanese women.

    I still think there is something genetic that explains the difference. Any ideas for research directions? Genetic personality differences?

  111. anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pixo

    China is the most sovereign country of the lot, while the behavior of Japan, Korea, and Taiwan is more servile. Those countries have to ingratiate themselves to the US Empire. Gay pride parades, a transsexual as cabinet minister (Taiwan), and voluntarily taking in refugees (South Korea took in hundreds of Afghans in 2021).

  112. @Bardon Kaldian

    These charts so so self-evidently stupid and inaccurate, as a brief look at the real world will tell you. Apparently 78-80 IQ Syrians and Lebanese dominate the economies and political systems of Latin American nations of 90-92 IQ people. And you go to a country like Nepal and it’s poor but…those are not 78 IQ people. They built multiple independent kingdoms with standing armies, beautiful architecture, and rich literary traditions.

  113. prosa123 says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Churelsuch is 15 years younger than Xi (69/54). That’s likely to make a difference in Alpha-ness of one’s appearance.

  114. anonymous[637] • Disclaimer says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Don’t you think Biden has too much cuff showing?

  115. astrolabe says:
    @Peter Johnson

    Luxembourg is one of the four institutional seats of the EU. I suspect the resulting civil-service type salaries are sufficient to skew the GDP of a country with a 645k population.

  116. Yngvar says:

    Both Luxembourg and Switzerland, and some others, gain from emigration from countries more hostile to free enterprise.

  117. Prodigy. Interesting idea. Suppose, in order to contribute significantly to a nation’s productivity, a sophisticated economy demands of its work force some minimum cognitive ability, say IQ0. We might call the population fraction with IQ > IQ0 a nation’s smart fraction. A model can be constructed based on the simple assumption that per capita GDP depends on the size of the smart fraction. In the simplest case, per capita ……

    ….
    Thus, for a technologically sophisticated society, SFT asserts that a nation’s per capita GDP is determined by the population fraction with IQ greater than or equal to some threshold IQ. Consistent with the data of Lynn and Vanhanen, that threshold IQ is 108, a bit less than the minimum required for what used to be a bachelor’s degree. Figure 3 illustrates the fit of (3) to the data of Lynn and Vanhanen.

    ….

    Prodigy. Some of this is experimental error, but a few outliers are due to cause. South Africa, for example, is the world’s largest producer of platinum, gold, chromium and diamonds. None of this has much to do with human resources. Barbados and Qatar have also been favored with wealth-producing assets. Barbadian economy is based mostly on tourism. Exceptional year-round climate combined with proximity to the US strengthens its economic base irrespective of IQ. Similarly, oil revenue accounts for Qatar’s extraordinary GDP. Finally, with a market economy being necessary for prosperity, we find Communist China, with a mean IQ of 100, producing more like a country with a mean of 83.

    Mentor. What happens to the correlation when the four outliers are removed?

    Prodigy. It grows a bit to 0.79, so that 62 percent of the remaining GDP variance is now explained by IQ.

    Mentor. The relationship between IQ and individual achievement is well known. No where is it better documented than in Herrnstein and Murray’s The Bell Curve (Free Press, 1994). Lynn and Vanhanen have scaled this connection up to a national level. It looks like they have added a new dimension to the meaning of IQ.

    Prodigy. I do have a few modest observations. In Figure 2, the data is divided into contributions from four groups: blacks, (European) whites, East Asians and “others.” I did not include the outliers: South Africa, Barbados, Qatar and China

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

    .

  118. megabar says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    The most interesting sports have thresholds which create “dramatic randomness.”

    A well-hit fly ball might either be an out or a homerun, and the two outcomes differ by a few feet. After the crack of the bat, the spectator gets a few seconds to bask in exciting uncertainty. The very best play in baseball — a double with a man on first — extends this excitement even more, because you can’t wait to see if the runner will be safe or out at home.

    Consider that even within a sport, people prefer this type of action. In football, passing is more exciting than running, because a pick-six and a TD strike might differ by inches, and again there is that moment of uncertainty after the QB lets fly.

    Certainly, there are other factors, but I think this is a big one.

    I’ve long thought that threshold effects are one of the most underappreciated aspects of our world — whether we’re talking about sports, or whether a society thrives or withers.

  119. @YetAnotherAnon

    a thousand years ago it was probably the most industrialised place in the world

    That dynasty, Song instituted a policy the military aristocracy being subordinate to the civilian bureaucracy. There would be no Han Chinese aristocratic class that mirrors the British peerage or Japanese samurai since.

    Song was extinguished by the Mongols; and the China has been ruled by more or less Mongols ever since as a centralized bureaucracy. Whereas the British came up with Magna Carta that protected the power of the aristocracy.

    No aristocracy means no martial ethos amongst the elites. Yes its decayed in the West, but you still have the rugby fields of Eton and so on. There’s no equivalent of that in PRC.

    IQ doesn’t necessarily mean national prosperity

    Yes, instead you have many equally high IQ people fight over zero-sum status competition.

    higher levels of manufacturing technology.

    PRC is leading in Fourth Industrial Revolution techs, AI, smart factories, quantum computing, self-driving autos. It also has a chokehold on rare earths and lithium production. So it will move up the value chain.

    But its mostly still copying and producing at mass scale. The share of innovation will be disproportionately in the West.

    the Great Firewall

    This is a double-edged sword. PRC is insulated from trannies but also it could also become West Korea.

    That and the PRC elites are or have decamped for AUKUS/Japan to escape the Zero Covid madness. Whereas Shanghai had attracted some Western/Japanese expats but that’s reversing.

    • Replies: @BB753
  120. Anonymous[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wobbly Guy

    1. There’s another key variable that’s not measured – personality trait conscientiousness. In Sg, we test rigorously for it, and the elite who possess both high IQ and conscientiousness are sieved out and given every opportunity to run things.

    How do you define conscientiousness? What leads you to believe it is so important?

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @The Wobbly Guy
  121. Thomm says:
    @Pixo

    “ Which set would tend to be better long-term financial investments?”

    A question like this reveals a comically poor understanding of finance and general investing principles (despite Steve’s MBA degree from a highly ranked MBA program). I suppose Steve assumes that all of Apple’s and Google’s profits come from the US, because they are US companies?

    Then again, it is widely known that expecting good insight on how to become rich from Steve Sailer is almost as misdirected as seeking advice on how to seduce women from Ron Unz. Both are stellar examples of having been immersed in environments where one has access to people who are very good at each of those things, yet themselves learning nothing of those subjects despite the immersion.

  122. Anonymous[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @Deadite

    Ireland had a highly educated workforce but were poor as dirt. You make it seem like industries dropped out of the sky and magically made them rich.

    It was foreign investment and immigration that made Ireland rich. Very similar to industries dropping into their laps.

    • Replies: @Sir Didymus
  123. Dan Kurt says:
    @J.Ross

    Search on Duck Duck Go for “When English Jews of the American South-West Go Bad: A Jon Ronson Special Report” came up empty. Why not give a LINK?

    Dan Kurt

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  124. Anon[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Recently Based

    I lived in Singapore in the 90s, and it did a LOT more than offer low tax rates to become the economic success that it is.

    Like what?

  125. Anon[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pixo

    I am doing pretty well on the real estate and financial asset front, but sons are my great wealth.

    What do you mean that your sons are your great wealth?

  126. View post on imgur.com


    Scots definitely smarter by a few wechsler points, until all the smart ones had finally left for the colonies and Scotland started to converge on average with the English. Scots also have the highest mean income in the US among the europeans, so they took their brainpower with them, and it didn’t get lost along the way.

    Irish definitely less smart, in the past and still today. all layman stereotypes as well as rigorous academic studies say the same thing. it’s probably been that way for thousands of years. although per James Flynn, they definitely got smarter after the industrial revolution, probably largely due to the industrial revolution. they’re more like 5 wechsler points lower than the English today, but in the past it was definitely more like 10 on average. they’re definitely 10 points lower than diaspora Scots even right now though. Ireland GDP is skewed by Tax Inversions, as they used to be called. US companies moving their headquarters, on paper, to Ireland for tax purposes.

    Irish guys mostly built the Titanic and Olympic, so the skilled laborers were already fairly smart 100 years ago. no third worlders could ever have done anything like that. they weren’t as smart as WASPs, but they weren’t dumb in contrast to all the peoples of the world. the designer was Scottish though, as may be predicted by intelligence variation.

    • Replies: @anon
  127. Dan Kurt says:
    @Frank the Prof

    RE: “…why can’t Intel get down to 3 nm.”

    Know a retired Intel electrical engineer and have in passing talked at length to a former technical Intel worker about Intel’s problems. Both say that Intel’s corporate policy to hire Dot Indians has retarded Intel’s performance.

    Dan Kurt

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  128. @BB753

    Alphaness is relative and even given the decay in the West there is a deficit of that for East Asians especially Chinese.

    I’ve said that sportsball culture is degenerate, but nothing wrong with the jock culture in general since it builds social/leadership skills. You don’t make the big bucks by building it, you make it by selling it. There’s zero athletics component in PRC’s college admission process (instead its equivalent to taking six SAT subject tests which does have its merits).

    Its not all about height either. NW Euros lead in high end industrials, but S Euros lead in luxury brands:

    Rank Brand Industry
    1 Gucci Fashion
    2 Dior Fashion
    3 Chanel Fashion
    4 Louis Vuitton Fashion
    5 Hermès Fashion
    6 Rolex Watch
    7 Tiffany Jewelry
    8 Prada Fashion
    9 Versace Fashion
    10 Ralph Lauren Fashion

    https://luxe.digital/business/digital-luxury-ranking/most-popular-luxury-brands/

    Same thing for tourism and entertainment. Once you’ve built the cultural catchet its basically passive income.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @AnotherDad
  129. Lurker says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Imagine that: a government that works for the protection of its citizenry, especially the most vulnerable.

    Fascist!

  130. @Hypnotoad666

    I’m not sure why the factories were located in Taiwan and Malaysia originally.

    Part of it is that Asians don’t mind doing tedious work with small parts.

    That is why a lot electronic manufacturing in general went over there.

    I’ve done some soldering on a board and found it incredibly boring.

    I’d much rather do manual labor since that at least will keep you in shape. Enough Asians seem content to sit and solder circuits all day. Then they go sit at a table and play mahjong.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  131. BB753 says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    “PRC is insulated from trannies but also it could also become West Korea.”

    LOL, escaping Western degenerate social engineering is a very smart move.

    “That and the PRC elites are or have decamped for AUKUS/Japan to escape the Zero Covid madness.”

    How do you explain the ridiculous zero COVID policy ( which BTW was also in place in Australia and NZ last year)? Is it real concern for a bio-attack or just a raw display of power from the Chinese Communist Party?
    Curiously, no Chinese citizens were shot with the nefarious messenger ARN vaccines. I guess it means they still need manpower for the foreseeable future.

  132. @Anonymous

    “I find the Ireland IQ hilarious…yet still have a ~10 point deficit…Maybe they lower those nations’ IQs?”

    it’s almost certain that they did. in general HBD discussion it’s assumed all europeans in the English speaking countries are wechlser 100 people, and they are compared as a bloc to other big human groups who live there too. but this is not technically correct. indeed, we know there are state by state differences, that can be as large as 8 to 9 points between the smartest state and the least smart state. so it is with the various europeans of America.

    intelligence differences among the various people of europe, persists for generations among their English speaking descendants in the US, Canada, Australia. the differences get smaller, but they don’t go away, and they’re significant. they’re easily measured by Census data, and show up in yearly income differences among the various ethnic groups. the idea that all europeans in the US are just generic interchangeable white units by this point, and can be directly compared to legacy africans, or newly arrived Indians, or whatever, is kinda wrong. Scots and part Scots make a lot more money than Irish and part Irish people, even 200 years later, and if you used their specific ethnic numbers, instead of the generic aggregated ‘white people’ numbers, things start to look significantly different. that can change earnings by \$12,000 a year or more, reduce violent crime stats by over half, and so on. suddenly “Americans” can be a good amount different if you deliberately use one ethnic group (the English, the Dutch, the Germans, the French, the Italians, the Irish) versus lumping all the europeans together.

    the people also retain some of their characteristic behaviors and personalities over many generations. that stuff doesn’t go away completely either. every ethnic group VOTES differently. Germans are the most Republican, even slightly more than the English and Dutch, who are the second most R voting. the Irish are BY FAR the most Democrat, and have moved the entire country significantly to the left, just by their presence. all leftist political actions have relied on 30 million Irish people machine voting D like clockwork for over 100 years, just as they depend on africans doing the same today.

  133. BB753 says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    “I’ve said that sportsball culture is degenerate, but nothing wrong with the jock culture in general since it builds social/leadership skills.”

    It depends on what you mean by “jock culture”. There’s regular manliness, which can be attained by healthy exercise or manual work, and “jockness”, which is a kind of parasitic masculine personality supported by US universities’ sportsball culture/scam. The latter personality should be avoided as it breeds psychopaths. The former does produce well-balanced individuals. Or used to, because masculinity is repressed in today’s “gender neutral” ( feminicised) society.

    “NW Euros lead in high end industrials, but S Euros lead in luxury brands”

    Most of the brands you mentioned are either French or Swiss. Calling them Southern Euros is a bit of a stretch but I get your point.

  134. Goatweed says:

    Does Singapore allow the non-Han to take IQ tests?

    • Replies: @The Wobbly Guy
  135. Muggles says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Also somewhat true for basketball, which is Negro dominated. So changes are not all about race.

    Some rules changes were made (allegedly) just to protect Michael Jordan, who played excellent ball into his mid 30s.

    The old Bill Lambeer huge center type “enforcer” is also long gone. In fact the very big inside players are nearly obsolete. Old time bashing, hacking defense no longer allowed.

    We have much quicker, longer range shooters where height and banging aren’t much of a factor.

    Baseball changes are somewhat more protective but mostly about speeding up the play.

    I don’t know about hockey. Still a lot of banging up but probably not as violent as earlier.

    When player team “assets” are paid multi-millions and draw the fans/TV audiences, you don’t want your game to be about mere violence or physical brute strength.

  136. Muggles says:
    @JimDandy

    So, what are the odds that there will be another draft?

    Women now eligible for that, so no.

    Unless there is a conventional and massive land war somewhere, no need for masses of troops.

    Russia and Ukraine need them, but most of the deaths are from stand off weapons like tanks, artillery.

    Of course one might consider “drafting” the millions of felons (and “homeless”) who are now roaming your neighborhoods.

    Use them to clean up parks, make bike paths, create fire breaks, do minor conservation projects.

    This might do them some actual good, and the public as well. Also military prisons are much less permissive than most civilian lockups. Haircuts, dress, work or starve, etc. No booze or drugs, hard work and discipline.

    For the ones who straighten up and fly right, could then enlist in the regular military also.

    Get around the Soros DA “we love criminals” justice perversion by moving them into the “military justice” overseers.

    Why not?

    • Replies: @Coemgen
  137. Twinkie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    China, Korea, Taiwan, Hungary, Italy, Israel… Correlation doesn’t seem like it would have been that robust back in 1960.

    If you looked at the PISA data over the years for South Korea, for example, it’s been rising dramatically since the 1960’s. In other words, the correlations between IQ and national wealth hold well, in all likelihood.

    Yes, that means the South Koreans of today are more intelligent than their parents and their grandparents. Of course, you are learned enough to know what happened in South Korea c. 1905-1953 that could depress their national IQ average compared to today.

  138. Anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The Jewish coalition acted by paralyzing their opposition’s command structure with clever arguments backed by treachery

    What would be an example?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  139. Twinkie says:
    @IHTG

    We need a “Cope” button.

    Sorry, I didn’t mean to punch the “Troll” button. My superior visuospatial IQ failed when I meant to press the “LOL” button.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @acementhead
  140. Muggles says:
    @Gordo

    South Africa managed to make oil from coal, develop vaccines and manufacture half a dozen nukes before we sabotaged it.

    You meant to write “White ruled South Africa”, didn’t you?

    The oil from coal came from German technology, pre and during WWII. When they got embargoed by most of the West, they needed it.

    Don’t know about the vaccines? Monkeypox?

    The nuke tech was either bought or otherwise “obtained” from the Israelis, who largely got it from the US. They had one or two tests, supposedly, post apartheid. Military still then run by Whites.

    The US and others told them to give it up and they did.

    No actual black run African nation has any real science or tech credentials. A few have some decent individual scientists, etc.

    I don’t think there are any African black Nobel Science winners, or similar. Not yet anyway.

    • Replies: @Anon
  141. @rebel yell

    This is the real and enjoyable diversity – the diversity of different peoples.

    Spot on rebel.

    I’m late to the party here, but this was my thought as well.

    The great moral duty of our age is to protect the endangered civilized races from extinction. Which can be pitched as protecting the diversity of humanity that evolution has produced.

    (Most critically it is to protect the European world from being overrun by the mestastasizing African cancer. Steve’s “World’s Most Important Graph” … yikes!)

  142. Anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Kurt

    Know a retired Intel electrical engineer and have in passing talked at length to a former technical Intel worker about Intel’s problems. Both say that Intel’s corporate policy to hire Dot Indians has retarded Intel’s performance.

    How so?

  143. Coemgen says:
    @Anonymous

    I find the Ireland IQ hilarious.

    Before the 1990s, visiting Ireland was like stepping decades into the past for someone from the U.S.

    They’ve probably caught up to the Flynn Effect levels the U.S. and U.K. had already reached by now.

    End all war now!

  144. Coemgen says:
    @Muggles

    Do women now have to register for Selective Service to avoid being un-personned?

    End all war now!

    • Replies: @Muggles
    , @Reg Cæsar
  145. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @kicktheroos

    besides asians are the best athletes pound for pound, we have speed agility and strenth chinese weight lifting team is the best in the world

    That isn’t really borne out in the results of international competitions, or in the make up of globalized professional sports teams. How many Olympic gold medals has India won?

  146. anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @kicktheroos

    High verbal people are the sneakiest and most cunning people, from western europe to north indians one can never trust these races.

    Northwest Europeans (Anglo-Germanics) are know for their honesty, integrity, sense of fair play, and rule-abidingness.

  147. anon[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer

    Irish definitely less smart, in the past and still today. all layman stereotypes as well as rigorous academic studies say the same thing.

    If that’s the case, why are there so many successful lawyers of Irish descent?

    • Replies: @Anon
  148. Anon[768] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles

    I don’t think there are any African black Nobel Science winners, or similar. Not yet anyway.

    There is a tribe in Nigeria that is said to have IQs that are off the charts. Some members have been admitted to Ivy League schools in recent years so public acclaim could just be a matter of time.

    • LOL: AnotherDad
  149. @Anonymous

    Economic power in the modern world is dependent on verbal IQ, rather than in visual. Visual IQ and computational ability has virtually nothing to offer you in the modern economy, which is based on capital investment and ideas rather than trade surplus or manufacturing.

    Yep, that’s why when people want to estimate economic dynamism and prospects for future growth they look at measures like lawyers, used car dealers and sociologists per capita.

    It explains why women, who are weighted toward verbal and poor on the visual, have produced all the valuable inventions in history and drive productivity.

    Now, I see the dynamic female future of ahead of us once we bounce those annoying engineering guys with their numbers and graphs and machine tools out of the way, and move bravely forward into the future with … lots and lots of talking.

  150. @Twinkie

    You can ‘unpress’ an erroneously pressed button(provided that you haven’t used all your permitted ‘button presses'(I think 5 per 8 hour window)), by going back and pressing the desired button. The undesired response will disappear and the new one appear. Each change uses one of your 8 hour allocation’s.

    • Thanks: Coemgen, Twinkie
  151. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Its not all about height either. NW Euros lead in high end industrials, but S Euros lead in luxury brands:

    “Luxury brands” are basically a scam that preys on the fact that women are highly conformist and many well to do or well to do wannabe women are quite status conscious and will pay 10X to have the logo on their purse or get the proper blessing on their clothes or other junk.

    And it’s a relatively small sector, compared to actual NW Euro industrial companies.

    Basically, you could argue NW Euro men make useful stuff–like cars, trains, planes, electrical and industrial equipment, machine tools, etc. etc. … and a bunch of their discretionary income goes to their wives (and likewise now for Asians) … who then blow a tranche of that on “luxury” goods to try and feel good about themselves as they age out of being hot.

  152. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    They didn’t take over anything. All the Taiwanese companies depend on Dutch ASML for their EUV lithograohy machines. They can’t make chips withoutthe Netherlands. And as we saw from two years ago, the US is able to tell AMSL who they can and cannot sell chips to. So who really controls their company?

    This is true, but EUV lithography was originally developed in Japan in the 80s:

    https://bits-chips.nl/artikel/the-prehistory-of-euv/

    When Japan’s Hiroo Kinoshita projected the first EUV images in the mid-1980s, no one wanted to believe him. Only after a second attempt and a difficult discussion with colleagues in 1989 did the starting gun ring out for EUV lithography as we now know it…Kinoshita is to thank for the fact we now have an alternative x-ray technology – EUV – at our disposal. He was the first to start experimenting with EUV projection lithography. But just like all scientists, he stood on the shoulders of others, and as so often happens, inventions originally intended for different applications turned out to be valuable in other fields.

  153. @Pixo

    Conclusion: IQ “undervalued” nations are poor investments.

    South Korean in 1960, when it’s GDP per capita was the same as Ghana’s?

    Better conclusion:
    It depends radically on whether the factor that has them “IQ undervalued” is likely to change. Simple history? A recent war? Communist government? Underinvestment in education? … Or is it some other negative genetic or cultural variable that is more fixed?

    What’s going on and is there a change in prospect. If you have knowledge say the Kim commie-monarchy is going to fall in North Korea … excellent economic prospects. (Now how you’d actually invest productively in that, heck if I know.)

  154. ATBOTL says:

    This purported low Irish IQ is absurd. There is zero reason to think Irish people have lower IQ than other northern Europeans. All the data from Ireland would suggest the opposite. You have to be a moron to believe it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  155. ATBOTL says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Not lately. Thus we now have a 45 year old star quarterback in Tom Brady because the rules have been changed to protect quarterbacks and receivers from too much pounding.

    No, that makes no sense. The rule changes in football allowed the receivers to run full speed and jump very high and extend in a way that was impossible or too dangerous just 20 years ago. With less contact, running and jumping become more important, not less.

  156. Anonymous[434] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    La Griffe du Lion discussed the verbal IQ and smart fraction hypotheses years ago. He has a list of verbal IQ by country at the bottom of the page here:

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft2.htm

    The European and East Asian countries generally range in verbal IQ from 98 to 103. Mexico is listed at 87 for verbal IQ, almost about a standard deviation below of the European and East Asian countries. The Latin American countries in general seem to be close to about a standard deviation below in verbal IQ.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  157. Franz says:
    @JimDandy

    They don’t actually permit links. They pretend they cannot even sent mail to “foreign” addresses.

    In fact they do all that.

    https://ghedujob.com/job/us-army-recruitment-for-africans-2022-2023-application-details-guide-usa-military-job-applications/

    The link tells you what the OFFICIAL RECRUITERS can’t do. What they don’t tell you is coyotes have been known to take a sheaf of US Army applications to — wherever — and if the “recruit” shows up at the border the application can be used the same way a minimum wage job listing is “proof of employment” and get him to the nearest big city.

    The people who get the bodies into the US are slick as snot on a doorknob. There’s good money in that business.

  158. Qatar and the UAE are terrible examples because Western expats outnumber the locals by a ratio of 10 or 11 to 1.

    In terms of their workforce, these countries are de facto Anglo-European states.

  159. @sb

    But they, and other prosperous East Asians, don’t breed (I think South Koreans are the worst)

    That’s hard to believe with all the cute Kpop girls and racing models they have in South Korea.

    One can only conclude that the South Korean gals are enormous ballbusters, and not in the good sense.

  160. @John Johnson

    Part of it is that Asians don’t mind doing tedious work with small parts.

    Yup.

    At the plant I work in the entire repair and rework area is staffed by tiny little Asian gals that are all less than 5 feet tall.

  161. Mike Tre says:
    @R.G. Camara

    I was in Singapore twice while in the Marines. I’m pretty sure prostitution is at the very least decriminalized.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  162. Mike Tre says:
    @Polistra

    I’ve made this argument many times:

    https://www.unz.com/?s=Jumping&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Mike+Tre

    And Sailer’s reply to you is obtuse. Just because rules have been changed to protect quarterbacks doesn’t disprove the very obvious fact that rules have also been changed to facilitate running fast and jumping high. Both things lead to more offense which means more touchdowns, and that’s what the NFL wants to they can sell more tickets and merch. (And for every Tom Brady, there are 10-15 Robert Griffin III’s who last three seasons before they are debilitated beyond use.)

    And Sowell is wrong as well. Intelligence and strength are not mutually exclusive. I’m pretty sure the strongest smartest guys were the ones who got themselves the biggest pay offs.

    • Thanks: Polistra
  163. Mike Tre says:
    @JimDandy

    I actually hope there is. Watch the vibrants absolutely losing their tiny little minds.

  164. Dutch Boy says:
    @ThreeCranes

    It sure beats imprisonment for minor crimes.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  165. Dutch Boy says:
    @Feryl

    They won’t preach what they practice (hypocrites in reverse).

  166. Legba says:
    @Houston 1992

    It would be interesting to pick a war and find the family net wealth of the casualties and compare it to net worth of civilians and REMFs to see who was where when the metal hit the meat.

  167. Anonymous[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Kurt

    I know that American kids aren’t going into EE anymore because they have little chance of getting good jobs. There’s just too much competition from Indians/Asians.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  168. Pixo says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    About half of college classes are taught by adjunct professors whose average wage is about \$18 per hour. Uber is a more reliable gig.

    • Thanks: Malcolm X-Lax
  169. Pixo says:
    @AnotherDad

    Some luxury items I agree are logo’d scams. But in the specific context of hand made Italian cars and leather goods, of course they are better.

    “as they age out of being hot”

    IMO it kinda works. A 45yo matronly cougar wearing fashionable flattering clothing can be pretty sexy.

    • Replies: @Anon
  170. @Anonymous

    Higher land/population ratio usually translates into higher wages. C.f. Benjamin Franklin.

    You can say Mexican land is just worthless, useless desert, but that’s what people thought about the Atacama and the Rub al-Khali before they turned out to be full of phosphates and oil. You can say that’s just good luck, but the more acres you have, the more chances for good luck you have for something to turn up that can turn your labor into capital at a higher multiple than scratching a living from the soil.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Steve Sailer
  171. anon[210] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    From Mankind Quarterly:

    also in MQ:
    Love of Life: Role of Positive and Negative Traits among Egyptian Students during the COVID-19 Pandemic

  172. anon[418] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Higher land/population ratio usually translates into higher wages. C.f. Benjamin Franklin.

    Where did he say that?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  173. @Anonymous

    How on earth did third world immigration make Ireland rich? Most of the immigrants in Ireland are on welfare and have added nothing to the Irish economy.

  174. @JimDandy

    So, what are the odds that there will be another draft?

    If your purpose is to replace patriotic Americans with SJWs a draft won’t work. A draft will include too many patriotic Americans. SJW’s must be placed explicitly into the military. Otherwise, the military might not succumb to the CRT propaganda necessary for the Great (or pretty good for Estabbers) Reset.

    Unfortunately, for the “great and good, “the Great Reset will have a plethora, neigh, a deluge, of unintended consequences. One of which will be “Eat the rich.”

    The vegan rich will command a premium. But if you eat rich people sparingly, your health will not be impaired. Just ask the New Guineans that ate Michael Rockefeller.

  175. I would ask at what age the IQ tests are given. Irish people often continue to grow through their late teens and early 20’s. I suspect that their brains develop later as well. Give an IQ test to Murphy at age 18, he may be lagging, but by age 25 perhaps he has pulled ahead.

  176. @Pixo

    I am doing pretty well on the real estate and financial asset front, but sons are my great wealth. Chinese TFR is below 1 and slipping. Fix that and maybe I will seriously engage with Based Illiberal Xi copes.

    Agree on the kids. My kids are my greatest contribution, and most valuable asset.

    (I’m real estate rich as well, but that’s fool’s gold. It’s bad for a nation for real estate to be so ridiculously expensive. The great thing about America is it used to be easy for a solid productive young man to get a good job, find a good woman and afford a house. Now all three are much more difficult. I’d be happier if my houses were worth 1/4 of what they’re worth and young people could easily get started building families.)

    But purpose of comment: where do you get this Chinese TFR below 1 stuff? Where’s your data?

    I’ve seen really low provisional numbers for 2021, but still above 1. And let’s be realistic the huge drop in the numbers is Covid driven. Prior to that their numbers were down a bit but running at 1.5-1.6ish. That’s a little below the white American rate, and the Han rate is no doubt a bit lower. But China even with Covid had 10 million births. That–steady state–would support a population of 800 million people. They have a *lot* of wiggle room. If they could land this thing, in the next few decades–get their fertility incentives squared away and working–at something like 5m Han and 1m assorted minorities birthed each year–they would be carrying a population of over half a billion people, That’s still a lot, and way more competent than the corresponding–Latinoized and still 15% black–population of the United States will be at that time. And China does not have the PC bullshit in the way of being explicit about eugenic fertility and the incentives to get there.

    You’re drinking Rainbow kool-aid if you think China has demographic problems compared to the US.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Almost Missouri
    , @Pixo
  177. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    I dunno why there might be a lot of Irish ancestry lawyers, or whether this is even true, proportionally, but the commenter is correct that four-grandparent studies show that the English are much smarter than they Irish, that the Southern English are smarter than Northerners, that the various Scandinavian heritage populations have surprisingly wide IQ gaps among them, that there’s a north-to-south clinal spectrum from smarter to dumber, as well as west to east. Europe was surprisingly varied in IQ back before mass travel, immigration, and international marriage.

  178. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    You’re smoking crack rocks if you believe the official Chinese fertility figures. They’ve been debunked over and over again by numerous different authors, including Unz contributor Peter Frost.

    Just one example; Frost has written many articles about this:

    http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-2020s-are-here.html

    China’s exports will become more expensive as its work force shrinks and grows old. This shrinkage will be worse than expected because the Chinese authorities have been overestimating the country’s fertility rate for almost two decades. The current rate is not 1.6 children per women. In fact, it had already fallen to 1.4 by 2003 and is now probably one child per woman. And this is happening even though the one-child policy is no longer in effect. The fertility rate is even lower among Han Chinese and lower still in the industrialized northeast—where it is down to 0.75 (Frost 2019a; Wang 2018).

    You’re an uneducated buffoon if you think America’s demographic problems aren’t dwarfed by China’s. And don’t you dare give me the usual alt-cuck “b-b-b-buh they’re still gonna be Chinese” evasion tactic in a thread with a chart at the top of it showing how China’s economic performance is already inferior to Mexico’s. Competence, my foot.

  179. dux.ie says:
    @Anonymous

    > What I’m suggesting to you is that visual IQ actully decreases intelligence

    That is a lot of bull !!!

    From the book

    “The Neuroscience of Intelligence” by Richard J. Haier, Professor Emeritus at the University of California Irvine, past resident of the International Society for Intelligence Research and Editor-in-Chief of Intelligence.

    Figure 1.1 The structure of mental abilities. The g-factor is common to all mental tests. Numbers are correlations that show the strength of relationship between tests, factors, and g. Note all correlations are positive.

    The reasoning factor is related to g with the strongest correlation of .96. The second strongest correlation (+0.92) is between the spatial ability factor and g.

    Reasoning is factored out independent of spatial reasoning and verbal reasoning. The factor most corresponnding to verbal IQ is vocaburary which has a puny coef of corr of +0.74.

    • Thanks: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  180. Graham says:
    @pirelli

    Here’s a testable hypothesis: that over a period of a few hundred years the more intelligent Irish people have emigrated, taking their genes with them. Look at the IQ of people with Irish descent living in England. It should be higher than the Irish average if the theory is correct.

    A similar theory has been used to explain the failure of attempts to regenerate the north of England. Successful northerners have moved south.

    • Replies: @pirelli
  181. @anon

    https://archive.org/details/increasemankind00franrich/page/n3/mode/2up

    so vast is the Territory of North America, that it will require many ages to settle it fully; and till it is fully settled, labour will never be cheap here, where no man continues long a labourer for others, but gets a Plantation of his own, no man continues long a journeyman to a trade, but goes among those new settlers and sets up for himself, &c. Hence labour is no cheaper now in Pennsylvania, than it was thirty years ago, tho so many thousand labouring people have been imported.

    http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/2015/January/39/1/magazine/article/10826668/

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Anon
  182. Anon[718] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL

    This purported low Irish IQ is absurd. There is zero reason to think Irish people have lower IQ than other northern Europeans. All the data from Ireland would suggest the opposite.

    All the data suggests there is a gap and that it is significant.

  183. Anon[718] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The Latin American countries in general seem to be close to about a standard deviation below in verbal IQ.

    Where do blacks rank?

  184. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I know that American kids aren’t going into EE anymore because they have little chance of getting good jobs. There’s just too much competition from Indians/Asians.

    American kids can’t compete with Indians and Orientals? Why not?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anonymous
  185. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    You’re an uneducated buffoon if you think America’s demographic problems aren’t dwarfed by China’s.

    China’s population needs to come down. It’s way too high. A smaller population would be better for China and for the world.

  186. Anon[428] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It doesn’t matter because they also have low visual IQ. My point is that visual IQ subtracts from economic performance. The higher the visual IQ, the stupider and more socially inept the population. Latinos should get a g increase just for having lower visual IQ. It also explains why they’re actually nearing the economic value of white countries as well as displacing white people in states like Texas which are too mentally retarded and inept to deport them. Mexicans have to have some kind of cognitive advantage compared to white southerners; there’s no way they’re displacing them this quickly without having some kind of natural selection advantage, and it can’t be simply because they are working for less, because Mexico’s economy is actually growing extremely fast, whereas white small town economies in the USA are just crashing and burning to the ground.

    HBD dorks need to wisen up and stop underestimating Latino countries. Also stop relying on 20th century studies about Mexicans who grew up in Mexico City when it had leaded gasoline and no catalytic converters…

    • Thanks: Rob
    • Replies: @BosTex
  187. Anon[428] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Imagine basing your economic opinions off something somebody blogged about 200 years ago.

    This is why rural white America is withering away in to dust (or rather, lead paint chips).

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Almost Missouri
  188. J.Ross says:
    @Dan Kurt

    Very amusing. However, there really is a Colonel, and the requested link can only be found in physical copies of We’ll Be Back: The Fall And Rise of America by Kurt Schlichter.

  189. J.Ross says:
    @Anon

    Imagine scoffing at “supply ∈ price.”

  190. Moses says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    China doesn’t have alpha males? Lol. Live in China a few years then come back to report.

    Chinese men haven’t let their women pickle their balls in a jar the way Euro men have.

    I dunno why, but I’ve noticed way more alpha men per capita in east asia than in asian populations in USA. Self selection bias or something.

  191. @AnotherDad

    still 15% black–population of the United States will be at that time.

    Blacks are already above 16% of the US right now, and climbing.

    Stay safe, and enjoy your weekend.

  192. @Almost Missouri

    Lots of Mexico is desert but lots of Mexico is really, really nice, like year round 65-90 degree high temperatures.

  193. @Deadite

    Both the EU subsidies (in fairness, Ireland alone of the PIIGS used them
    as intended, to increase productivity – though at hideous cost) and the fiscal
    Schmutzkonkurrenz (“tax haven”) are on borrowed time, so a certain
    reversal will be inevitable
    (BTW the real reason for Brexit was the argument that Britannia ruled
    the South China Sea but was too poor to pay her way re: the EU became untenable).

  194. @Dutch Boy

    Taking a few licks and then it’s over. Let’s move on.—–Good and Manly.

    Put a guy in a concrete box for months. Lock it away! Protect me from it!—–Womanish, Unmanly.

  195. @dux.ie

    Thanks.

    Maybe that’l shut him up. But maybe not….

    it is, after all, a picture, and he has as well as admitted that visual reasoning isn’t his thing. Could you put that in ten thousand words, please?

  196. @Anon

    Imagine being wrong right now while Ben’s been right for 200 years.

    Oh wait, you don’t need to imagine…

  197. anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    And don’t you dare give me the usual alt-cuck “b-b-b-buh they’re still gonna be Chinese” evasion tactic

    I don’t see the need to diminish this valid point. I look at the under 18 population in the US and I can’t help but think there isn’t going to be any sense of nationhood in the future. Do you dismiss the idea of ethnic cohesion?

    47.3% and declining.

  198. Pixo says:
    @AnotherDad

    “ But China even with Covid had 10 million births. That–steady state–would support a population of 800 million people.”

    That won’t be a steady state however, as the population of women of peak childbearing years has been declining starting I believe around 2012.

    Total reported births in 2017 by the way was 17 million. That’s quite a downtrend in 5 years.

    Birthgauge’s 2022 TFR projection for Red China is 1.09. Take out the non-Han in China, add in the Han of HK, MK, Taiwan, and SGP, and factor in provincial stats-juking, and you end up with Han TFR of <1. Continued sex-selective abortions makes the stated fertility even worse.

    https://nitter.it/BirthGauge/status/1568363018936877056#m

    Data overview on sex ratio:

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s42379-020-00075-1

  199. @Alfa158

    “Microcircuit manufacturing needs a quite large body of engineers, technicians and diligent high IQ workers involved in the etching, bonding, encapsulation, and testing of these chips. The pool in the US has shrunk as our educational system, and the raw material for that system has degraded”

    Asianometry has a related video.

  200. @Bardon Kaldian

    Lebanon: 82
    Papua New Guinea: 83

    I think this explains Nassim Taleb’s antipathy towards the idea of IQ.

  201. pirelli says:
    @Graham

    The failure of Northern England to regenerate economically has always been a bit surprising to me. I suppose it’s the ineluctable pull of the London megalopolis, as you say, but compare Northern England to, say, the Southern US, where you have large and economically healthy metro areas like Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta, plus dynamic mid-size cities like Austin and Nashville… Why don’t you see something similar in Northern England? Why isn’t Manchester more like Dallas? Is it just that the Southern cities in the US are all much further from the Acela corridor / the West Coast than northern England is from London, so they keep more of their talent? But the Southern cities actually attract talent from the rest of the country too, so…

    And I think that’s a solid hypothesis re Irish IQ—the smart ones disproportionately emigrated over the last few centuries.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  202. BosTex says:
    @Anon

    Doesn’t sound like you actually know anything about Texas. I think the key factor here is that Latinos (mostly of Mexican background, though not all) and whites, regardless of class background, seem to work really well together without a ton of strife or annoyance. Basically: very similar attitudes to work. Show up, no bitching, positive attitude, work, collaborate and get the job done.

  203. @The Wobbly Guy

    The minorities (malays) who drag down our average IQ are monitored closely to ensure they don’t drag down the rest of the country. There’s also a general uplift program in place, somewhat similar to affirmative action, but in a more effective way. E.g. no bonus scores for entry into academic courses, but those that make it on pure merit receive monetary/financial bonuses/subsidies.

    Is this working to raise Malay standards? Or are they still “nature’s gentlemen”, with lazy tendencies? I can only see it working if family formation is encouraged among the skilled Malays. In Malaysia, the Malays have been described as extras in their own movie, because of the economic power that the Chinese-Malaysians have.

    Most people on unz are sceptical about low achieving minorities achieving success, but I’m still hopeful that there are practical solutions. For instance, majority black Bahamas/Bermuda/Barbados – the 3 Bs – are more successful than many European countries. Blacks do well on small tropical islands with British derived government.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  204. There are two ideas here: the average IQ of a nation’s citizens, and the cumulative IQ (sum total) of its citizens, which I’ll just call brainpower to differentiate it. The USA is about 29th place for intelligence, eg average citizen’s IQ, whereas China is #2 or #3, depending on which studies you pull from in your metric of choice. Some metrics take into account Nobel Prizewinners and other factors. Japan is at the top, generally, in terms of avg IQ/intelligence. However, due to the fact that multiplying the mean (avg) intelligence by the population size yields a good estimate of brainpower, we find that the USA has a brainpower of about 32 billion IQ points. Japan, about half that, while China has about 5X the brainpower of the USA, eg 156 billion IQ points. Looking at a heatmap of avg IQ by nation, it is rather obvious that African nations have very low scores, European/”white”-dominant nations have average scores, while Asian countries have the highest scores. It seems the crude stereotype is somewhat well founded. Israel shares 40th place with Vietnam.

    This doesn’t suggest there is necessarily a genetic component, but it obviously doesn’t rule it out. What I find more likely is that the cultures of each region play the dominant role in determining the way a person thinks and in the development of their intelligence. You could also look at other factors. For instance religion. Why are the countries that have the highest levels of belief in Christianity and Islam are also the lowest IQ countries, while China (#2 by avg and #1 in brainpower) has 3% Christians and Japan (#1 by avg) has 1% Christians?

    Looking at average incoming is interesting. Israelis make an avg of \$39K/year (2020 estimate), while in the USA it is \$69 [dudes]. China and Russia are both at \$12K/year. Japan is at \$42K/yr. (Also, they have basically the highest debt to GDP of any nation; double that of the USA, eg 2^8 as compared to our 2^7 percent. In case you aren’t big into exponents, thats 256/128%.)

    -Itajara / Der Riesenzackenbarsch (“Herr des Felsens”)

    source: worlddata [dot] info

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  205. Muggles says:
    @Coemgen

    Do women now have to register for Selective Service to avoid being un-personned?

    According to Big Brainiac Google, not yet. But there was a Senate proposal to do that which passed this summer in a defense bill (billions for Ukraine, mainly).

    Since this is an election year, it won’t happen (if it does) prior to the November elections.

  206. res says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Don’t know why they highlight the L&V 2002 result like that. From George Francis’s substack.
    https://georgefrancis.substack.com/p/national-iq-is-the-best-predictor

    We also used different measures of national intelligence, Lynn’s, Becker’s, Rindermann’s, the World Bank’s and the OECD’s.

    He also mentions Davide Piffer’s 2019 paper on national IQ and polygenic scores. And there appears to be a newer version of that in progress!

    national IQs can almost be perfectly predicted (r = .9) from polygenic scores (EDU3) designed to estimate educational attainment. The as-of-yet unpublished results are even stronger with larger sample sizes.

    I took a quick look at the 72 page paper. Pages 22-25 have an extended discussion of their (9!) national IQ measures.

    From page 37.

    So far we have used Rindermann’s (2018) national IQs as our standard. This was because by combining student assessment scores with national IQs we attain data on more countries and have larger samples for the countries included. Here we try different national IQs.

    I think page 40 explains why they focus on L&V 2002 in some places.

    The IQ data with the largest coefficient on growth is also the oldest — Lynn and Vanhanen’s (2002) dataset.

  207. res says:
    @Anonymous

    Thanks for following up on that!

    • Replies: @Anon
  208. res says:
    @SiNCERITY.net

    Actually not missing at all. From the paper.

    We test smart fraction theory — whether the mean IQ or that of another part of the IQ distribution best predicts economic growth, as well as rival psychological explanations of economic growth, finding national IQ to dominate them all.

    Discussed in more detail on pages 34-37.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
  209. @Frank the Prof

    Asianometry has a related video.

    His video about the Soviet series of missions to and landings on Venus is also excellent.

    The engineers and scientists on those teams pulled off some extraordinary technical feats.

  210. tamo says:
    @Anonymous

    Hey dummy, I went thru this nonsense with you about a week ago., You said “the US is able to tell AMSL who they can and cannot sell chips to. So who really controls their company?”

    ASML does NOT make chips. It only makes EUV lithography machines for making cutting edge chips or DUV lithography machines for producing mid- level chips. Is that too hard for you stupid to understand?

    American Intel CAN NOT make 10nm chips EVEN WITH ASML EUV machines because American chip making technology is far behind Taiwan’s TSMC or South Korea’s Samsung that make 3nm chips.

    America is excellent in chip-design and Japan is the best in wafer-manufacturing and Taiwan and South Korea have the best chip-making technology. Dutch companies EVEN WITH ASML’s EUV machines CAN NOT produce 3nm chips like TSMC or Samsung.

    So bottom line is that every country including America depends on each other and no country has the upper hand over another.

    For your information, Taiwan’s per capita GDP is\$ 36.000 that is higher than that of Italy and Mexico’s per capita GDP is only\$10.000.

    If a stupid like you is an Ashkenazi Jew, then I know damn well that Ashkenazi Jew’s intelligence is way overrated, LOL !!!

  211. Anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    Thanks for following up on that!

    Where have you been?

    • Replies: @res
  212. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pixo

    You know the saying: there are two types of women, the ones with rich husbands, and the ugly ones.

  213. @Coemgen

    Do women now have to register for Selective Service to avoid being un-personned?

    Men risk a five-year imprisonment and a \$250,000 fine if they fail to register. A woman cannot register– it’s all online now, and clicking the “Female” box aborts the process. She could just answer “Male” and continue, but there is a penalty for the deliberate input of false information. See above.

    It is also illegal to complete a registration for another person without his consent. Yep, same penalty. SSS is nothing if not consistent.

  214. @Anon

    You’re an uneducated buffoon if you think America’s demographic problems aren’t dwarfed by China’s.

    Hmm, ok:
    — believe genetic quality is the foremost variable
    — think Chinese can easily economically outperform Latin Americans, much less Africans
    — can handle more than one derivative and imagine graphs more complicated than an exponential growth or decay
    — think China has a lot of headroom to have a significantly smaller population
    — think the Chicoms are in a much better position politically and ideologically do put in place effective eugenic fertility measures

    == “uneducated buffoon”

    Wow, you got me.

    • Replies: @Anon
  215. res says:
    @michael droy

    I *think* they are using a form of GDP at PPP. From page 26.

    SDM studied the determinants of growth for the period 1960-1996. To incorporate more recent GDP data, we employ the growth rate from 1960-2010 and use new figures for log GDP per capita. SDM’s GDP data came from version 6 of the Penn World Tables (PWT) whereas ours come from PWT 10 (Feenstra et al., 2015), variable RGDPe, to provide log GDP per capita in the starting year and the growth period. RGDPe is expenditure-side real GDP at chained PPPs, to compare relative living standards across countries and over time.

    I am a bit surprised they aren’t clearer about this. Perhaps considered obvious?

  216. @Anonymous

    American kids can’t compete with Indians and Orientals? Why not?

    Lafcadio Hearn answered this one in the 19th century:

    The Occidental has discovered that, under any conditions of fair play, he cannot compete with the Oriental in the struggle for life: he has fully confessed the fact, both in Australia and in the United States, by the passage of laws to protect himself against Asiatic emigration. For outrages upon Chinese or Japanese immigrants he has nevertheless offered a host of absurd “moral reasons.” The only true reason can be formulated in six words: The Oriental can underlive the Occidental.

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/55802/55802-h/55802-h.htm

  217. tamo says:

    China knows what to do with declining birth rates. It is busy automating industries using AI and robotics so that China will need far fewer workers to generate GDP in the near future.

    If push comes to shove. Chinese government would mass- produce young Chinese by utilizing invitro fertilization and advanced culture media techniques combined with eugenics.

    The VERY AUTHORITARIAN Chinese government is the only one in the world that can do this kind of thing WITHOUT moral qualms and by ruthlessly suppressing any opposition.

    Meanwhile the American whites’ birth rates are way down from the replacement level and combined with moronic immigration policy, America will be a white-MINORITY country overwhelmed by
    far less intelligent nonwhite third-world legal and ILLEGAL immigrants by 2043.

    • Replies: @Anon
  218. nebulafox says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Singapore’s a great place to headquarter your company, to network to other parts of the world, and store the wife and kids. To do something really earth-shattering and wacky, not so much.

    The government has been trying to change that, but they’ve been running into barriers, cultural and material alike.

  219. nebulafox says:
    @Itajara “Herr des Felsens”

    The PRC is the fastest growing Christian country on the planet. As to the why of irreligiousity: a little something called the Cultural Revolution played a role in that, leading to a massive spiritual void that hothouse economic growth filled until recently. This is seen through a number of trends in Chinese society, particularly among the young.

    Singapore’s Chinese are both wealthier and probably have a higher average IQ, yet they’ve got a more prominent Christian sub-community than the PRC, particularly among the middle class. Working class Singaporean Chinese also didn’t have their ancestral traditions destroyed like in the PRC: you’ll find plenty of stuff that is only just being rediscovered there that is well-institutionalized in Singapore.

    (It’s not either/or. That middle class Christian-I think-family in I Not Stupid Two has the father giving the con artists hell money in the end.)

    > Israel shares 40th place with Vietnam.

    Vietnam had a lot of people on the verge of starvation as recently as the 1980s. I’m pretty confident this has something to do with the likely average IQ gap between younger and older Vietnamese.

    Genetics are part of the puzzle. An important part, but only a part nonetheless.

  220. nebulafox says:
    @Frank the Prof

    Sure. Hell, I worked in a clean room for a while in college, and part of my pet interest in strongly correlated electron systems has to do with the applicability of their electromagnetic properties to good use. (Also: cool math and cool computer problems! What more can you ask? I’m not being sarcastic here: I love the idea of America, the land of John Bardeen, becoming a materials titan again! Not just because it is in our interests! Yay, building stuff again!)

    But only if we know that you won’t outsource our jobs to China or India the first chance you get, and if training costs don’t involve us once again taking 6 months without pay to get around whatever insane bureaucratic regulation you people have cooked up in recent decades!

    No? Well, then, that’s what you get when you let employers ensure anybody but them bears costs for something.

  221. anon[109] • Disclaimer says:

    China, with an average IQ of around 105, is performing nowhere near its IQ, and hasn’t for a long time, if ever. The last 500 years have seen the largest increase in knowledge in human history, and China, with 15-20 percent of the world’s population, has had nothing to do with it. China hit its evolutionary limits

    China’s present economic miracle is because it has an unlimited supply of slave labour and is willing to destroy its own environment, so the West gave them its manufacturing wealth. There are probably mental abilities Chinese don’t have that IQ tests don’t measure

    • LOL: tamo
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  222. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Hmm, ok:
    — believe genetic quality is the foremost variable

    If that was the case black Africans wouldn’t have spent the last 2000 years enslaved since they have by far the highest quality genetics. Ditto for Ashkenazi Jews who would never have enslaved you goyim despite having the worst quality genetics on Earth.

    — think Chinese can easily economically outperform Latin Americans, much less Africans

    And yet id you look at he chart Steve posted at the top of this page, China is sruggling to conpete with Africa and is outperformed by Latin America.

    Man, some of Steve’s commenters are truly mentally handicapped…

    — can handle more than one derivative and imagine graphs more complicated than an exponential growth or decay

    Bullshit. You can’t even handle one graph.

    — think China has a lot of headroom to have a significantly smaller population

    When are you primitive Christ-worshipping dolts going to realize that “headroom” has absolutely no relevance on the modern world? China could increase its population by 1 billion and it would be of no significance. The issue here is economic viability. China’s economy, particularly the housing sector, cannot afford to lose 2% of its population without becoming totally insolvent. Huge public debt + shrinking population size = financial armageddon.

    — think the Chicoms are in a much better position politically and ideologically do put in place effective eugenic fertility measures

    Ha! That’s hilarious. Since when did Communism or any kind of state control ever do this in anything? I find it HILARIOUS that you people are against state control of EVERY LITTLE THING, except breeding. So what makes you think the State can run eugenics, when it screws up everything else? China has tried for years to raise its fertility rate, and has failed. They can’t even get pass the first hurdle of getting people to breed in the first place, much less getting only the right people to breed.

    Latin America on the other hand does have potential to be fertile and may already be experiencing eugenics through the free market: sperm donation:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-mixed-race-brazil-sperm-imports-from-u-s-whites-are-booming-1521711000

    In fact it looks like this free market solution may already be supersceding any CCP “measures” as international sperm donation is a more viable option for upper class women in China:

    https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/article/3041258/wealthy-single-chinese-women-choosing-white-sperm-donors

    Most unmarried women in China are unable to access fertility treatment and sperm banks at home

    Successful women who don’t wish to marry turn instead to Western sperm donors, picking them from catalogues before going overseas for IVF treatment

    But keep hoping and praying for the day when state measures beat the free markets when it comes to meeting novel objectives like “better babies”.

    You idiots also vastly underesimate how much power women in China have. Chinese women are never going to allow a state-run breeding program when tbey can make their own decisions about who to breed with.

  223. @BB753

    I can only guess. It really looks like they are snatching defeat from jaws of victory.

    1. Internal infighting in CCP is a feature not a bug of Chinese history. The energy might wear itself out after Xi’s “re-election” by 2023, but who knows?

    2. PRC has a highly hierarchical bureaucracy, essentially inherited from Imperial times. All-told 27 levels,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Service_of_the_People’s_Republic_of_China

    Each level is only responsible for reporting to the their level above them, as imperial decrees get passed down the implementation becomes further fanatical to prove loyalty.

    3. There are perverse incentives at play with the PCR testing companies making money hand over fists. We know how that goes in the US with pharma.

    I guess it means they still need manpower for the foreseeable future.

    Yes but less and less as they move up in value chain and AI takes a greater part. That’s why I don’t buy into the “demographic collapse” panic.

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  224. @prosa123

    Mongols by tradition have a ketogenic meat and dairy diet. Whereas Xi is known to snarf down on carb-loaded “baozi” steamed buns,

  225. @AnotherDad

    French military manufacturing is no slouch. And German industry will be put to the test absent cheap Russian energy. Possibly to the advantage of Japanese and Koreans who haven’t forsaken nuclear power.

    French guy picking up girls speaking only Mandarin. That level of skills is in itself a form of wealth

  226. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @tamo

    Moron. Automation does nothing to solve the loss of consumers, debtors, and taxpayers. China’s problem will never be a lack of idiots to push button at the factories; it is lack of debtors, taxpayers to support the burgeoning pensioners and elderly healthcare costs, and young consumers.

    White American fertility is not ‘far’ below replacement, and America’s immigration policy attracts the brightest and richest immigrants in the world.

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  227. @res

    Actually not missing at all.

    I did not see dirt as a predictor. Dirt is the most important variable. Especially magic dirt, which explains everything.

  228. @pirelli

    The failure of Northern England to regenerate economically has always been a bit surprising to me. I suppose it’s the ineluctable pull of the London megalopolis, as you say, but compare Northern England to, say, the Southern US, where you have large and economically healthy metro areas like Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta, plus dynamic mid-size cities like Austin and Nashville… Why don’t you see something similar in Northern England?

    Uh, the attraction of the Southern United States is more sunshine and milder winters. And lower taxes for Texas, Tennessee, Florida. (Georgia honestly … North Georgia is pretty with good recreational amenities, but a pretty aggressive income tax and 1/3 black … don’t see it long term.) Once AC was widely available/affordable to deal with the summers, the South–the “Sunbelt”–took off.

    What’s the actual attraction of Northern England? Yeah, the Peak District, Pennine Hills, Yorkshire Dales the countryside is prettier than Southern England … but it isn’t exactly Scotland, much less California or Colorado. You’re actually going north and getting actually colder weather.

    Now is there was something great on offer like escaping London’s diversity, it could happen … but d’oh! … they imported the Mirpuris smack dab into the Yorkshire mill towns, to rape the clueless working class girls. I guess you can flee up to Newcastle.

  229. nebulafox says:
    @Mike Tre

    It’s legal. Owning a brothel or soliciting isn’t. In practice, the Singaporeans tolerate it within certain streets in Geylang. The girls are foreign (the influx of Vietnamese women has resulted in a proliferation of late night Vietnamese eateries in the neighborhood), are expected to get regular health checks, and are punished if they overstay. Sex trafficking is a problem, albeit not unusually so on regional standards.

    My impression after years of living in various East and Southeast Asian countries, as a child and as an adult, is that Asian countries usually have a relatively pragmatic view of prostitution compared to the US. It’s not encouraged, exactly, but it’s accepted as a reality of life and is pseudo-mainstream. There’s no stigma for unmarried younger men to patronize them, provided it is done discreetly. (Older married men, more, but not enough to stop them.) And TBH, it’s probably a healthier dynamic to have than mass casual sex culture where women go in thinking that they work like men do and getting hurt as a result.

    In reality, I think the US is more of an outlier than Asian countries are when it comes to prostitution, per se: if not the cultural dynamic in which it takes place.

    One thing that people who want to get a working moral code for a society up and running is that there needs to be a “deviancy safety valve” for people who just can’t fit the norm-i.e, inveterate homosexuals and gay bars in 1950s America. There have always been a minority of women with the sex drives and relative lack of emotional bonding during sex usually shown by men. My guess is that they filled the role of temple prostitute in places like the ancient Middle East. Tellingly, there was no stigma attached to them, either, unlike the vast majority of women if they had sex with men other than their husband. Quite the contrary, they were respected. They didn’t seem to have problems finding husbands because they filled a vital social role, and men didn’t feel they were “settling” for one in the way that would be the case today-it might as well have been marrying a clerk.

  230. nebulafox says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Yes and no. Singaporean Malays generally have a dim opinion of their co-ethnics across the border who mooch off bumi benefits, and there is a Singaporean equivalent to the “Talented Tenth” with ethnic Malays. But there’s no denying that racial gaps exist, with both biological and cultural factors involved.

    (It’s not completely negative, TBH. Malays tend to put the effort that the Chinese put in their career into their families, which is why they are relatively fecund. In general, my observation is they seem to be personally happier than their Chinese counterparts despite having less, for what it is worth. But everything is a trade-off, as always. The East Asian work ethic and focus on education-it really is no joke. They are big believers in nurture, not nature, to the point where it is getting a bit counterproductive in places like China and leading to teen suicides.)

    One problem with this Talented Tenth tends to be that they are, for whatever cultural reason, disproportionately female. This means they have a hard time finding spouses among their own race, but struggle to attract someone outside of their race because they have to convert to Islam. Professional class Muslim expats exist, of course, but only so many of them to go around.

    >In Malaysia, the Malays have been described as extras in their own movie, because of the economic power that the Chinese-Malaysians have.

    The AA laws in Malaysia had two driving motives behind them.

    1) They didn’t want to end up like the Filipinos, treated with contempt by wealthy ethnic Chinese within their own country to the point where native police officers would ignore revenge murders by disgruntled servants, so they made sure the economic and political power was stacked in their favor. Having seen how many ethnic Chinese tend to view Malays/Filipinos/Indonesians in private, this honestly was a wise move.

    2) Mahathir came from the same British colonial Social Darwinist milieu that Lee Kwan Yew did. He thought that he could make the Malays more competitive, more like the Chinese and Indians, if he just gave them some breathing room. This didn’t work because strangely enough, once you give people stuff for free, taking it back is politically difficult. Mahathir himself has acknowledged his publicly. Skip to 6:00 for the most cutting comment.

    (Indonesia under Suharto took a different path to it-overall it was more brutal but also far more successful because it had the goal of assimilation rather than segregation in mind-but with the same goal in mind. Overall, the Indonesian Chinese were oppressed, forced to adopt Indonesian names, all that, but they were also protected: note that the pogroms against them only started as the New Order began to crack. Most Indonesian Chinese today are monolingual in Bahasa. It helps that although Indonesia is predominantly Muslim, it has some prominent “native” ethnic groups that aren’t, so conversion isn’t deemed necessary to be considered “Indonesian” in the way it is in Malaysia to be “Malay”.

    I think Suharto shared the same petty racial prejudices against ethnic Chinese that most Javanese noblemen tended to have-unlike many Indonesian elites, he always treated his “cukong”, Lim Sieo Liong, with respect but he was only one guy-but he and his regime were nothing if not utterly pragmatic. He understood that until a native educated “bumi” business and technical class could be built, as it eventually was in the 1980s and 1990s, the ethnic Chinese would need to lead the way on economic development.)

    • Thanks: TelfoedJohn
  231. nebulafox says:
    @The Wobbly Guy

    Vietnam is currently seeing sharp economic growth, and there’s been a corresponding recent sharp uptick in PISA scores, educational metrics, etc over the past handful of years. Since Vietnam had a 20th Century that was rough even on regional standards, with the likely depressive effect on national IQ involved, I wouldn’t be shocked if there is a burgeoning generational intelligence gap.

    (It could have been worse. Cambodia is a broken, sad place. The IQ effect is probably a lot like Ukraine where the Nazis and Soviets got rid of all the bright people, leading to a dysgenic effect they are still recovering from.)

    It’ll be interesting to see what road the Vietnamese go down: do they go full on globalization like the ROK or Taiwan, retrench like Japan, or mix and match like China?

    >A lot of it via what the govt call ‘self-help’ groups, which are actually all government linked and often ethnically based, e.g. Mendaki, MUIS, and ostensibly based on socio-economic grounds, but in actual practice turn out to be race-based.

    Yup. It gets a bit ridiculous. I knew a half-Malay, half-Indian girl who didn’t qualify for either despite being extremely qualified.

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  232. dux.ie says:
    @anon

    Most 4G mobile phone uses the modem from US Qualcomm. Example of patent inventor data

    https://patents.justia.com/assignee/qualcomm

    The top 20 most productive Qualcomm inventors weighted with the number of patents (not bean counter tallying heads),

    For Intel,

    Dont try to find the patent inventors for 5G tech, you will get a heart attack.

    https://www.imo-official.org/year_individual_r.aspx?year=2022&column=total&order=desc

    The smart Hispanics are not coming to US. US could not even find a second legacy White who could perform better than Int. Math Olympiad 2022 rank 230. Robitallie could be a French Canadian. Even the Saudi has bigger smart fraction than US White.

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    , @anon
  233. tamo says:
    @Anon

    Hey stupid, old people in China will live longer and their retirement age will be extended a lot longer and they will pay more taxes and consume a lot of health-related and leisure products and It means there will be booming hospital, pharmaceutical, leisure, transportation industries backed by AI, robotics, etc.

    I repeat what I said before ” If push comes to shove. Chinese government would mass- produce young Chinese by utilizing invitro fertilization and advanced culture media techniques combined with eugenics.

    The VERY AUTHORITARIAN Chinese government is the only one in the world that can do this kind of thing WITHOUT moral qualms and by ruthlessly suppressing any opposition.”.
    So one way another, there will be enough Chinese to maintain a prosperous China.

    Hey dummy, the American immigration policy is all messed up because it EMPHASIZES the REUNITING of it’s immigrants’ families thus encouraging chain migration of a lot of worthless people who will be tax burdens instead of admitting more knowledge -based immigrants.

    About 70% of immigrants to America are burdensome chain migrants and the other 15% are refugees and asylum seekers and ONLY about 15% are knowledge -based immigrants.
    Also as of now, the American government makes things very hard for skilled -immigrants to obtain the green cards so that they can stay in the U.S. and contribute.

    The foremost priority should be changing the immigration policy in favor of skilled-immigrants right away..
    But I don’t think the immigration policy will change due to political reasons.

    Meanwhile not only the whites’ birth rates are below the replacement level but America is being inundated .with less-intelligent third -world legal and illegal immigrants thus making America a white-MINORITY country in the very near future.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @JR Foley
  234. Anon[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @dux.ie

    Please name the vitally important inventions from any of these people. They’re all just a bunch of unseen nerds.

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  235. Anon[948] • Disclaimer says:
    @tamo

    Hey stupid, old people in China will live longer and their retirement age will be extended a lot longer and they will pay more taxes and consume a lot of health-related and leisure products and It means there will be booming hospital, pharmaceutical, leisure, transportation industries backed by AI, robotics, etc.

    Who the fuck do you think is supposed to pay for this shit, you welfare-dependent idiot? Wake up call, healthcare in China is nationalized. A dimunitive share of taxpayers in China would have to pay for all of this… But here’s the thing: they can’t.

    I repeat what I said before ” If push comes to shove. Chinese government would mass- produce young Chinese by utilizing invitro fertilization and advanced culture media techniques combined with eugenics.

    The VERY AUTHORITARIAN Chinese government is the only one in the world that can do this kind of thing WITHOUT moral qualms and by ruthlessly suppressing any opposition.”.
    So one way another, there will be enough Chinese to maintain a prosperous China.

    Pure pipedream.

    About 70% of immigrants to America are burdensome chain migrants and the other 15% are refugees and asylum seekers and ONLY about 15% are knowledge -based immigrants.
    Also as of now, the American government makes things very hard for skilled -immigrants to obtain the green cards so that they can stay in the U.S. and contribute.

    Ha, total bullshit. Immigrants are more likely to be in the workforce than native born Americans.

    The USA’s leaders know how to keep America’s position as the world’s dominant superpower, with the strongest economy and military. What makes you think they’re relentlesly pursuing immigration growth against their best interests?

    The foremost priority should be changing the immigration policy in favor of skilled-immigrants right away..
    But I don’t think the immigration policy will change due to political reasons.

    Fuck you. Why should we take in immigrants from shithole countries like India when we could be accepting Mexicans with higher GDP per capita?

    We don’t even need high skill immigrants, we have plenty of high skilled people here at home. What we need more of is people who can do stuff like digging ditches. That means people like tamo.

    Whites are only going to be minorities in states like Texas and Florida where they let all the Hispanics in. Whites will still be the overwhelming majority in the North, midwest, and in Northern California. It’s not like America is teeming with Hispanics or anything. It’s just that Texas has let huge numbers of them migrate in to and enrich that state, where they are concentrated. All the USA has to do is give Texas back to Mexico, and the USA will become 80% white again.

  236. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Pick any of the liberal programs, the COVID-19 fiasco being merely the latest. Each program has had specific objectives with specific metrics. Each program has degraded the metrics and the ability of the general population of the US to live and prosper. In each case, the only consistent effect of the program has been to hire and pay a large number of certified people, with college degree being the certification requirement and a liberal belief system being the unofficial additional requirement.

    Each of the liberal programs has been backed, indeed initiated, by the liberal coalition, whose commanding element is the Jewish coalition. The general tactic has been very closely related to pilpul: promulgate through the media a “moral principle” that cannot be related to physical fact, and then interpret it in such a way that many enforcers are required to initiate and retain it. The Transgender phenomenon, in which “All men are created equal” is transformed into “castrate your kids because we’ve talked them into asking for castration”, is a prime example, but the same “all men are created equal” was much earlier transformed into “pay Blacks if they don’t have a high paying job” and “reduce the pay of blue-collars”.

    The above should answer your question, if it was not an attempt at pilpul. Let’s speculate on what happens next:

    The success of treachery depends on trust in the treacher. During Obama’s second term, the Black Coalition turned on the Jewish Coalition. It turned because it no longer believed anything that the liberals (and especially the Jewish Coalition) said, and the Black coalition under Obama (and a cadre of 2nd generation descendants of African immigrants) are the dominant coalition in the US Federal government and in many urban governments. It is difficult to predict how long this Black coalition dominance will last, in part because very few believe what the liberals and the media say, in part because government income will drop over the next few years (largely because of the Black Coalition’s de-industrialization and politicization of the military policies), and that will end the Federal Government’s ability to support the large US cities. These cities are presently unable to maintain their capital infrastructure (transport, water, electricity systems) and appear to be losing their ability to suppress bandit gangs and use of fatal psychoactive drugs.

  237. tamo says:

    You said “Who the fuck do you think is supposed to pay for this shit, you welfare-dependent idiot? Wake up call, healthcare in China is nationalized. A dimunitive share of taxpayers in China would have to pay for all of this… But here’s the thing: they can’”

    You are a truly ignorant MF. By extending retirement ages of old people and tax them for longer periods, Chinese state can increase it’s tax revenues. Again in the future, China will need far fewer workers because AI and robotics, automation will do a lot of works and replace ditch-diggers like you who are drain on government welfare system.

    You said “Ha, total bullshit. Immigrants are more likely to be in the workforce than native born Americans”
    Just look at the chart, the immigrants are far more likely NOT to have high school diplomas than native workers. we don’t need people like that. That’s the result of abused chain- migration;

    You said ” The USA’s leaders know how to keep America’s position as the world’s dominant superpower, with the strongest economy and military. What makes you think they’re relentlesly pursuing immigration growth against their best interests?”

    America is declining fast and it’s not going to stay like that unless they get their shit together.
    Unfortunately a lot of Democrats want immigrants because they think the vast majority of new immigrants will vote for them.

    You said “We don’t even need high skill immigrants, we have plenty of high skilled people here at home. What we need more of is people who can do stuff like digging ditches. That means people like tamo.”

    Yes, there are native-born high-skilled Americans but some of their skills don’t match the needs of American businesses. That means either America has to retrain these people or imports some high-skilled immigrants. Also that means an a—hole like you has to keep digging ditches, LOL !!!

    You said “Whites are only going to be minorities in states like Texas and Florida where they let all the Hispanics in. Whites will still be the overwhelming majority in the North, midwest, and in Northern California. It’s not like America is teeming with Hispanics or anything. It’s just that Texas has let huge numbers of them migrate in to and enrich that state, where they are concentrated. All the USA has to do is give Texas back to Mexico, and the USA will become 80% white again.”

    A PURE PIPE DREAM, LOL !!!

  238. BB753 says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    “There are perverse incentives at play with the PCR testing companies making money hand over fists. We know how that goes in the US with pharma.”

    But is it really worth shutting down mega-cities, just for the grift? There must be something more to it.

    “That’s why I don’t buy into the “demographic collapse” panic.”

    Well, in the West authorities are busy “collapsing” the demographics. Excess mortality rates are up in every country with Pfizer and Moderna vaccines boosters: USA, UK, Israel, NZ, Australia, etc.

  239. res says:
    @Anon

    Where have you been?

    Distracted by other things mostly. Also a bit sick for a while. I still lurk a fair bit though much more intermittently. And come out when something particularly interests me like this topic.

  240. anon[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @dux.ie

    Who are the latest Fields Medal winners?

    China with its huge population and supposed IQ advantage has won ONE in the last 90 years.
    Statistically, China should be winning all of them

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  241. JR Foley says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    USA presence in Syria stealing oil and grain.

  242. JR Foley says:
    @tamo

    America made its own big mess–whitey was too lazy to pick cotton—whitey wanted no part of blacks in their community –whitey then blames Jews —-whitey then blames refugees but whitey was in these countries allowing thugs to rule with iron fist.

  243. @Goatweed

    You mean for this study? Probably yes.

  244. @Anonymous

    Uhm, conscientiousness is pretty well defined in academia. Lots of stuff about it in various forms, industriousness, grit, ability to work hard, perfectionism, etc.

    Conscientiousness means talent who actually apply themselves instead of slacking off.

    As to how it can be measured – Students applying for govt scholarships all sit through the same psychometric (IQ) tests, regardless of race. Then they correlate the IQ score with their achievements (academic, social, etc) to deduce the level of conscientiousness.

    Eg.g. a student has high IQ, but does not seem to have much achievements (Olympiads, research projects, community service) beyond their academic grades –> low conscientiousness. On the other hand, a slightly lower IQ student has loads of participation in extra-curriculars, a mark of drive and hence high conscientiousness. The lower IQ candidate may yet get the nod over the other candidate for the scholarship.

  245. @nebulafox

    (It could have been worse. Cambodia is a broken, sad place. The IQ effect is probably a lot like Ukraine where the Nazis and Soviets got rid of all the bright people, leading to a dysgenic effect they are still recovering from.)

    Yeah, Cambodia is in a really bad state. Compared to Vietnam, they also have a lower sino admixture. And the Tuol Sleng museum… nightmarish.

    Made two trips to Cambodia years ago to build houses and libraries for the people there. Things are getting better, but their rate of advancement is very clearly slower than Vietnam.

    I would have thought the Vietnam War would have a same deleterious effect on their average intelligence, but perhaps it was the other way round, and the smartest, most cunning Vietnamese survived and got to propagate their genes.

  246. dux.ie says:
    @Anon

    Vitally important? Is killing IBM Semiconduct Fabrication Division important?? IBM used to make their own chips. However, the Taiwanese TSMC managed to perfect the copper interconnect technology for chips before IBM and IBM had to keep that at arms length to distance itself in case they failed and spun off the division as Global Foundaries GF, assigning all the associated factories and patents to that plus a couple of BILLION DOLLARS. GF alway technologically lags behind the Taiwanese TSMC and that recently they announced that they no longer want to do R and D in below 14 nm technology when TSMC already proceeding to the 3 nm tech. That had forced IBM to go to Samsung to produce their Power9 chips, the wannabe chips suddenly surged to the front line when the preferred Intel Xeon Phi chip for supercomputers BECAME VAPOURWARE because it was not economical for Intel to produce that because of the export ban to China which manufactures most the global supercomputers. It was reported that IBM was so upset that they had sued GF but I did not follow up with those glorious details.

    Now Intel could be in the same boat as IBM previously. Because of US Gov banning exporting to China their most advance Xeon Phi chip development shooting them in the foot, there are no much new tech development and they (still) struggled with implementing the 10 nm technology when TSMC and Samsung are already on 3 nm tech. Intel is now forced to get the Taiwanese TSMC to make the critical component of the chips. Intel has made their chip fabrication division automomous which might infer possible spin off in future a la IBM.

    But the most embrassing was that the 5G tech was invented by a Caltech PhD from Turkey and he approached Qualcomm for further development. It seems that nobody at Qualcomm understood his algorithm and he was sent packing back to Turkey. Qualcomm blew the first mover advantage dropping into their lap by default. The core 5G tech was published in open access journal and WITHOUT PATENT. A Chinese Canadian ex-Notel research director saw that and he got hundred of MILLIONS development grant from Huawei MINUTES after pitching the idea to their board of directors.

    https://www.wired.com/story/huawei-5g-polar-codes-data-breakthrough/
    Huawei, 5G, and the Man Who Conquered Noise
    A Turkish scientist’s obscure theoretical breakthrough helped the Chinese tech giant gain control of the future. US telecoms never had a chance.

    Now US fabricated the misinformation about 5G and national security. It is true about US national security, i.e. Huawai refused to put in backdoors for US to bug everybody globally. The UK spy agency GCHQ had no problems with 5G tech but UK was POLITICALLY STRONG ARMED BY US to cancel the contracts. The 5G war, not between US and China, it is between US and UK.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5g-wars-the-us-plot-to-make-britain-ditch-huawei-mcqdld8sx
    5G wars: the US plot to make Britain ditch Huawei
    GCHQ was confident it could work safely with the Chinese tech firm. An American official thought otherwise — and, in a Cabinet Office meeting, SHOUTED ABOUT IT FOR FIVE HOURS.

    US is clueless about the technology, let alone trying to manufacure the equipment. US could not even set up 5G equipment properly around airports whereas Korea, Japan and China have no such problems. The alternate less complete and more expansive supplier of 5G equipment is Ericcson. Where do you think Ericcson set up their research labs and recruiting the 5G engineers?? China. So what is the difference??

  247. dux.ie says:
    @anon

    How many factories and how many jobs will result from getting a Field Medal?? Very smart Chinese will go into Engineering and Physics (which usually leads to Financial Quant) where the money is. I have cross-referenced the US University Putnam Fellowship Math competition winners with the global IMO competitors. Very few high ranking IMO winners will major in Maths, mostly those with IMO ranking above 100 which US seems to have plenty as US could not even field a second legacy White American or even late gen legacy Asian American able to have better than IMO rank 230.

  248. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-iq-of-nations/#comment-5552056

    American kids can’t compete with Indians and Orientals? Why not?

    Having been on both sides of this problem (learning and teaching), I can say the following:

    * Conscientiousness amounts to doing what you are told to do. East Asians tend to do that better than anybody else in the world. Indians from some castes are also adept at learning rituals.

    * EE training/education consists of learning how to solve problems on tests. This requires quite a bit of practice with concepts that are meaningless as presented, such as representation of impedance using imaginary numbers or voltage response curves of FETs or quadratic models of component response, or for that matter feedback as it is ordinarily presented. Quite often the instructors have no deep understanding of the material they teach.

    * In effect, EE training/education as now presented amounts to memorization of a large number of rituals. It does not require either long term memory of these rituals, or ability to apply them, or ability to extend them.

    * Asian kids (Indians and Chinese) have much more tolerance for rituals, and much more desire to do as they are told, than do Western kids. Further, Western kids are in some cases handicapped by a need to understand what has been taught (possibly because of residual Thomism). Understanding, even when possible with the kid’s background, is time consuming, and there just isn’t enough time in the kid’s busy schedule.
    * While cheating is, as always, a problem, there is no cheating that will always compensate for not memorizing the rituals.
    * Memorizing the rituals does not ordinarily mean an effective engineer, or even a competent one. The methods taught are, if their meaning is understood, the basis for engineering design. If they are thought of as meaningless, they cannot be applied to real situations and are o no value.
    Simple as that. The disparity is, IMHO, a consequence of treating engineering education as if it were technician training. Ever notice that the liberal arts majors (or outright thugs in some cases I’ve seen) who run universities have contempt for faculty and engineering students?

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  249. anon[283] • Disclaimer says:

    All work done by top mathematicians eventually has an important practical application

    China most likely well at the IMO because they game it. It’s like China winning the most medals at the Olympics. Do you really think they Chinese are the world’s best best athletes.?

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    , @acementhead
  250. @anon

    Japanese Shohei Ohtani has been the world’s best baseball player over the last two seasons.

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  251. dux.ie says:
    @Anonymous

    > Memorizing the rituals does not ordinarily mean an effective engineer, or even a competent one. The methods taught are, if their meaning is understood, the basis for engineering design. If they are thought of as meaningless, they cannot be applied to real situations and are o no value.

    http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/education/pisa-2012-results-skills-for-life-volume-v_9789264208070-en

    OECD had conducted large scale global survey on “Creative Problem Solving” with respect to problems of very ill defined and imcomplete information and the performance are scored on new knowledge acquisition that the students have to know what should be relevant and (copy cat) knowledge utilization among the mass of redundant info given, i.e. rote learnings, rituals or memorizations are no help. The results showed that Korean, Japanese and Singaporean are better than the Chinese in both category but the Chinese contrary to popular disinformation are well ahead from the European in new knowledge acquition, and Canada, Australia and Findland are actually better than the Chinese in the (copy cat) knowledge utilization.

    The Korean and Japanese do not show up in the Qualcomm productive patent inventor list is that the very smart do not come to US as they can have well paid positions back home. The Japanese still remembered the US internment camps. China is recuiting them at 3x their normal salary there. Nikkei has reported that when the Chinese recuited one of the top researcher from the Taiwanese TSMC as CEO who also previously had defected to the Korean Samsung because TSMC had previously put him in cold storage, he brought along more than 200 Taiwanese and Korean researchers with him. He and his team recently managed to produce commercial yield 7nm tech chips using the older DUV technology (which incidentally was invented by a TSMC researcher) even when Intel could not handle 10 nm chips with the more advance EUV which is not available for China.

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  252. Tom F. says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    His gear strikes me as Ant1fa. No mention of this ‘forbidden word’ in related articles.

    Also noticed the N. Dakota 41 year-old drunk driver with history of DUIs was described as Ant1fa in original contemporaneous articles, but the ‘forbidden word’ is now removed. Hmm.

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  253. Tom F. says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax

    One more thing about Isaiah Williams, in a 3-hour conversation with a high-school friend now in the U.S. military, Williams said he wanted to fight alongside ‘Kurdish forces’ because he wanted to ‘fight for something.’ The Syrian Kurds have been training U.S. Antifa. Interesting.

    from the fox10phoenix.com article you linked…

    Another friend of Williams, who is in the military, told police he had a three-hour phone conversation with Williams on the day of the shooting. Williams said he would consider moving to Iraq and fighting with Kurdish forces, saying he wanted to fight for something.

  254. @anon

    “All work done by top mathematicians eventually has an important practical application”

    That’s not true. Probably lots but not “all”. For example when Fermat’s Conjecture(incorrectly known as Fermat’s Last Theorem for more than 350 years) became Fermat’s Last Theorem(by virtue of being proven correct by a very smart mathematician) it did not likely become of any practical use, ever.

    Sorry but precision matters, especially in science , engineering, and maths; in ‘liberal arts’, not so much.

    Edited to add the ‘Oxford comma’.

  255. Anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @dux.ie

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-iq-of-nations/#comment-5559567
    Nice graph, but not validated by reality. Your reply appears to lack substantive content. However, it does bring up an important point.

    The Japanese still remembered the US internment camps.

    Unlikely, as the Japanese subject to US internment camps remained in the United States, and considered their time in the camps (and the recruitment of a Japanese infantry force out of internment) as their proof positive that they were American.

    As for excelling in “creative problem solving”, no, not in actual fundamental engineering or even fundamental sciences. Great at solving practical applications problems, and the sort of ingenuity tests that one sees on tests, but not at fundamental changes in viewpoint.
    As is shown by “The Korean and Japanese do not show up in the Qualcomm productive patent inventor list is that the very smart do not come to US as they can have well paid positions back home.” And, in these positions, they do nothing more than small design changes, perhaps because they don’t think that something new is important. “If the people cannot be governed by ritual, then ritual is useless.” Which implies “but ritual is not useless, it governs the people, and it would be best not to fool around with it lest everything fail.”
    Important point: Of course, the US hasn’t had that sort of “revolutionary science” since NSF was set up, and in my experience won’t even tolerate small advances. I specifically remember an article in Science magazine back in the 1970s entitled “Should the history of science be rated X?” by S. G. Brush, that answered the question with a hearty “Hell, yes!” on the grounds that looking for revolutionary ideas would distract from the incremental improvement of knowledge. Just think of the amount of knowledge we would have about phlogiston if we just hadn’t introduced thermodynamics.

    The problem may be societal rather than individual. China’s attempt to manufacture advanced semiconductor IC chips in China was wrecked by top level Chinese administrators claiming to be “scientists”. They spent the money they were given on useless travel and conferences. I’ve seen very similar in the United States; US administrators like to bring all the Department’s research money themselves, and tend to treat faculty as temps in a body shop. Bring in money yourself as faculty and they say “I can’t let junior faculty bring in that kind of money?” or change the subject. True story: I was once offered money by the head of NSF (he called me), and the only response I could get from other faculty was “He’s under a lot of stress”, and from the school’s Dean was “Who do you think you are?” said in a very hostile tone. Deadwood lives! It’s one of the reasons the US hasn’t done important fundamental, or even applied, research (outside of material science) since WW II.

    So maybe the problem of “over administration” is worldwide. Wouldn’t much surprise me.

    And, incidentally, your anecdote about “the top researcher from the Taiwanese TSMC as CEO who also previously had defected to the Korean Samsung because TSMC had previously put him in cold storage” reinforces the idea that real (as opposed to “communist enforced”) Chinese society is in Taiwan, not mainland China. Unfortunately, such transplants tend to be dispersed once middle management realizes that they exist and that “top management” has shifted its attention elsewhere. Middle management knows that it is boss moss, not the top guys who are separated from day to day “real” problems, and they disassemble the team to work on “more pressing problems” which are somehow never named.

  256. anon[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Ohtani is Japanese , not Chinese. There are most likely subtle, but important, racial differences between them. And he’s only one athlete

    I was referring to China setting up Soviet-style specialized sports schools and probably drugging That is why China has won buckefuls of Olympic medals. A bit harder to game soccer and that’s why China can’t even qualify for the World Cup

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