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From The Intercept, the website Glenn Greenwald co-founded but recently quit:

MEET THE RIOT SQUAD: RIGHT-WING REPORTERS WHOSE VIRAL VIDEOS ARE USED TO SMEAR BLM

In the year since George Floyd’s murder, conservative news outlets have endlessly hyped distorted stories about violence at Black Lives Matter protests. Key videos they used come from a tight-knit group of eight young journalists.

May 13 2021, 8:38 a.m.
Written by Robert Mackey. Video by Robert Mackey and Travis Mannon.

… Over the past year, as I researched viral clips of contested incidents at protests against racist policing and far-right movements, I found that I was coming across the names of the same handful of videographers again and again. At protests in Minneapolis, Dallas, Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Washington, Louisville, Philadelphia, and Kenosha, Wisconsin, I discovered that many of the most viral clips were shot by a handful of field reporters for right-wing sites or freelancers with conservative politics.

Rosas and Ventura are not household names, but it’s important to understand their reporting, because they are members of an informal club of right-wing video journalists who roam from city to city, feeding the conservative media’s hunger for images of destruction and violence on the margins of left-wing protests.

In contrast, the well-paid journalists from the prestige press all went home long before the violence started every night. Why? Because the looting, arson, and fights were after their bedtimes. Also, nobody they knew wanted to see evidence that BLM and Antifa enthusiasts were running amok across the country in hundreds of riots. That was not part of the Narrative.

How dare eight nobodies violate the Narrative by reporting facts?

In the year since George Floyd’s murder by Derek Chauvin was documented in horrifying detail on the cellphone of a 17-year-old witness, Darnella Frazier, right-wing news outlets and politicians have been desperate to draw attention away from those unbearable images by focusing instead on viral videos of unrest at racial justice protests. That’s been a boon for the careers of conservative video journalists like Rosas, Ventura, and a half-dozen of their friends, who jokingly call themselves the #RiotSquad in Instagram selfies and podcast banter.

The impact of their work is hard to overstate. Even as they remain relatively unknown, this tight-knit group has produced many of the most viral videos of Black Lives Matter protests over the past year. And those images have helped create the false impression, relentlessly driven home by Fox News and Republican politicians, that the nationwide wave of protests that erupted after George Floyd was killed was nothing but an excuse for mindless rioting. …

That’s not to say that rioting never happens; it clearly does. And even if you believe that “a riot is the language of the unheard,” it is undeniable that looting and arson did scar some communities where anger over racist policing spiraled out of control.

But the broader picture is that Black Lives Matter protests have been overwhelmingly peaceful.

Conservatives like to mock anyone who says that, usually by pointing to isolated images of chaos, like those recorded by the Riot Squad, or by cherry-picking misleading data. Sen. Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, recently cited data showing that more than 500 racial justice protests turned violent in the United States last year. But Johnson failed to let readers of his Wall Street Journal opinion piece know that the same researchers — from the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project

Which I covered here.

— counted nearly 10,000 more Black Lives Matter protests that were entirely peaceful. According to the researchers, there was no looting, arson, or violence of any kind at 94 percent of the protests associated with Black Lives Matter. And in many cases in which there was violence, it was inflicted on protesters, either by the police or right-wing vigilantes.

In contrast, out of the thousands of pro-Trump rallies in 2020-21, one turned out to be farcical dust-up, which we will never ever let you forget for one minute.

 
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  1. there was no looting, arson, or violence of any kind at 94 percent of the protests associated with Black Lives Matter

    It’s safe to say there was no shooting at even more than 94% of police arrests of black men.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman, Seneca44
    • Replies: @Curle
  2. Whiskey says: • Website

    Anyone who thought that Dems would turn down the heat on Whitey after winning was naive and guilty of wish-casting.

    Its going to be get Whitey, all the time, every time this Summer. Black people are still angry: they are Kangz but are not given the Divine Right of Kangz. Whitey still exists and every bad thing that every happened to them or anyone else is all Whitey’s fault. All of it.

    Biden is weak and old. His machine consists of Dr. Jill and his meth-head son. The Regency was chosen on purpose by the Party so all could do what they want.

    So yes, this Summer will feature lots of anti-White violence, and it won’t be confined to cities but suburbs will be started to be looted and burned. With the feds seeking to disarm White potential victims so they don’t fight back — that has been the whole point of gun control from the beginning. It cannot be turned off — there is no off switch, no one with the power and will to authorize the National Guard to just shoot lots of rioters and looters, and the media egging it all on.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Neoconned
  3. Altai says:

    In contrast, out of the thousands of pro-Trump rallies in 2020-21, one turned out to be farcical dust-up, which we will never ever let you forget for one minute.

    Outside countries under authoritarian regimes, I can’t think of an instance of when something like the pitch invasion on the capitol ever resulted in the use of deadly force, much less against a woman. Shortly after their defeat in the war, protestors entered the foyer of the Armenian parliament being much less jovial or old. The difference? The police in the Armenian parliament didn’t see the people protesting as an ‘other’ or the enemy. None of them thought to shoot any of them.

    The key thing about the shooting that is always overlooked is that directly behind the group trying to move through the doorway are 2 or 3 SWAT officers with assault rifles who don’t look the least threatened and who the pitch invaders pay little notice of despite their very large guns and purpose of stopping or policing them.

    When you’re more trigger happy than the SWAT guys, you’re probably in the wrong.

  4. According to the researchers, there was no looting, arson, or violence of any kind at 94 percent of the protests associated with Black Lives Matter. And in many cases in which there was violence, it was inflicted on protesters, either by the police or right-wing vigilantes.

    Of the hundreds of outrageously misleading, stupid, or flat out dishonest examples of leftist “journalism” you have brought to our attention these past few years, this one might be the worst.

    “94 percent”? That’s just made-up bullshit, right up there with Dementia Joe’s “55 former intelligence officers think Hunter’s lap top was Russian disinformation” lie. Yes, most of the people who assembled coast to coast under the vague banner of BLM didn’t break stuff or attack people. But the analysis also doesn’t take into account the motorists, business owners, or just regular citizens who were forced to cower under cover when the BLM show hit town.

    These leftists are borderline psychopaths.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @Charon
  5. Ralph L says:

    How did those 8 cameramen manage to appear at the “few” protests that turned violent when there were so many to chose from? Tipped off?

    • Thanks: Gabe Ruth, Polistra
    • LOL: ic1000
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  6. According to the researchers, there was no looting, arson, or violence of any kind at 94 percent of the protests associated with Black Lives Matter.

    According to other researchers, 86.4% of statistics from the mainstream media are completely false.

    • Replies: @Spect3r
  7. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:

    Drones with cameras to watch BLM, catch any lawbreaking with no risk to oneself. Clear plastic drone might not even be noticed

  8. Good SIR I beg to differ.

    This is good journalism. No this is great journalism. This is the greatest presentation ever from that bastion of good sense the Babylon Bee:

    https://babylonbee.com/news/libertarians-to-begin-wearing-masks-now-that-government-says-they-dont-have-to

  9. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:

    Andy Ngo and Quillette, among others, have documented antifa-adjacent videographers in Portland and other locations who wear a sort of press pass and are recognized by leftist protesters and allowed to fim unharmed, with confidence that everything will be appropriately edited before sale to media outlets. You can earn a living of sorts doing this.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @Anon
  10. George says:

    @4:10 Brutal beating of a white man who it turns out threatened the protestors with a machete.

    Machete-wielding man attacked by Dallas mob admits ‘bravery to the point of stupidity’

    Charles “C.A.” XXXXX Claims He’s The Man Who Chased Protestors w/ Machete Before Getting Beat Up; XXXXX Tweets The Reason He Did It Was b/c He Was Protecting the Bar He Likes to Drinks At; Says In Retrospect It Wasn’t Smart Move (Tweets-Vids) https://bit.ly/2TV7o2x

    https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/dallas/article243153526.html

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  11. SafeNow says:

    I wonder if “the inexplicable knee” would have worked for the Chauvin defense. Ha ha, but “inexplicable, good enough” is a concept that is gaining currency, even though the term is not actually used. For example, we have repeatedly heard since the beginning of the pandemic that “there’s a lot we don’t know about Covid.” No one has bothered to do the necessary studies. The government didn’t care to fund such studies. Fauci invokes “common sense” and we settle for that. It’s too hard to find the facts, and anyway, one man’s truth is as good as another’s, so why bother.

  12. 94% of BLM demonstrations we’re peaceful? OK, I’ll accept that as true. But that’s a meaningless statistic unless you consider the consequences of the 6% that weren’t.

    I bet way more than 94% of Japanese bullets didn’t hit anything at the beach at Iwo Jima. Does that mean it was safe to take a stroll there?

    • Agree: Liza
    • Replies: @Tono Bungay
  13. Yeah, yeah, the invasion of the Capitol was just a jolly prank! Or that’s what Steve and some other posters here seem to think.

    It was an attempt to prevent the certification of a lawful election for the highest office in the United States.

    There is no evidence whatsoever that the Biden election win was a coup d’etat in a phony election. Grow up!

    Just saying that the Democrats got more votes than the Republicans in key States is not evidence of fraud per se. Where are the details of the conspiracy and who orchestrated it?

    Maybe it was Russian hackers or SMERSH. If they can mess with an oil pipeline, then they can easily mess with election results too.

    It was no more a coup d’etat than when the close Bush/Gore election was ultimately decided by the Supreme Court, and ultimately gave us the Iraq war based on phony intelligence as a bonus.

    In fact the big surprise was that Trump came so close after 4 years of his patently demented behavior and incompetence that made the US an international laughing stock.

    Elections will always be close. Elections are a messy process. The losing side will always claim that they were robbed. There will always be deathbed votes. There will always be people who are disqualified from voting because they have the same name as somebody else. It is not a perfect process. But it is all we have.

    However if Biden does a really lousy job and pisses off enough people, the opposition can come up with some better policies and win over the American people in the next election.

    They should focus on getting more people to vote for Republican policies. They should concentrate on getting more Republican voters to turn out.

    They can even have Trump to run again if they really want, even if he has to run from the grave. It will not affect his performance.

  14. Curle says:
    @International Jew

    “there was no looting, arson, or violence of any kind at 94 percent of the protests associated with Black Lives Matter”

    But there was property damage. If my local BLM ‘peaceful’ protest was indicative, it received no negative press but there was plenty of property damage. Mostly graffiti. Some broken stuff.

  15. WJ says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    In June of last year, BLM and Antifa laid siege to the White House. The Secret Service had Trump go to a protective bunker. The rioters burned a two hundred year old church adjacent to the WH. On January 6, several hundred protesters walked through doors and gates opened by Capitol police. I few of them stole some stuff. One protester was murdered by a trigger happy government cop. One event was a “peaceful protest” and one was an “insurrection”. To quote the senile demented bag of pus that some call POTUS, “C’mon man”.

    • Agree: Dnought, fnn, Old Prude, Alden, Lurker
    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  16. Curle says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    “ News organizations demanded an explanation for an Israeli airstrike that targeted and destroyed a Gaza City building housing the offices of The Associated Press, broadcaster Al-Jazeera and other media outlets.”

    If it is state sponsored violence it must have been against right-wing insurrectionists and therefore legitimate, right? Who are these fringe ‘news’ organizations, The Hitler Times?

  17. @George

    ‘@4:10 Brutal beating of a white man who it turns out threatened the protestors with a machete.

    ‘Machete-wielding man attacked by Dallas mob admits ‘bravery to the point of stupidity’

    ‘Charles “C.A.” XXXXX Claims He’s The Man Who Chased Protestors w/ Machete Before Getting Beat Up; XXXXX Tweets The Reason He Did It Was b/c He Was Protecting the Bar He Likes to Drinks At; Says In Retrospect It Wasn’t Smart Move (Tweets-Vids)’

    I take it he knows his place now.

  18. @Altai

    Sorry, Altai, but I don’t understand what “pitch” means in “pitch invasion” and “pitch invaders”. Nor the Armenian references. Please explain.

  19. @JohnnyWalker123

    and destroyed a Gaza City building housing the offices of The Associated Press

    The Associated Press has it coming good and hard.

  20. @Jonathan Mason

    Just saying that the Democrats got more votes than the Republicans in key States is not evidence of fraud per se. Where are the details of the conspiracy and who orchestrated it?

    Are you saying every state followed its own statutes and constitution to the letter? Changing the rules mid-contest isn’t evidence of cheating, it is cheating. If Bush v. Gore taught us anything, it was that.

    Note that the one “swing” state that cleaned up its act after 2000 behaved somewhat differently from the others last November. I understand you even lived there for some time.

  21. “this tight-knit group has produced many of the most viral videos of Black Lives Matter protests over the past year”

    Now that is a real facepalm moment.

    Hey Bob…….the people taking the video didn’t produce anything, the fucking mob that was rioting “produced” the incent that was caught on tape.

  22. Dan Hayes says:
    @Patrick in SC

    The Glenn Greenwald I see working in tandem with Tucker Carlson must now be happy not to be associated with “The Intercept”, especially since he was one of its three co-founding editors.

    • Replies: @Curle
  23. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anon

    Andy Ngo is mentioned in The Intercept article, but only peripherally. As you well know, Andy is real gutsy!

  24. Thanks Steve for deleting my comment. Keep rolling over for these pieces of trash who want you dead, maybe you’ll get to be last one eaten.

  25. @Jonathan Mason

    “There is no evidence whatsoever that the Biden election win was a coup d’etat in a phony election. Grow up!”

    And yet for 4 years we had an “investigation” over the last election but now this one is on the up and up ……. okie dokie sport.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  26. Anon[364] • Disclaimer says:

    It is funny to see the proprietor here studiously ignoring another summer of “mostly peaceful” protests unleashed by muslim orcs in the Middle East right now. Some commenters do notice – they post BLM-like propaganda about it. All the while lamenting milder version of the same in your own country.

    For 50 years now every indignity unleashed on you has been first extensively prototyped in the Middle East. All the things you complain about: their rioters – peaceful, our words – intolerable oppression, selective sob story journalism showing poor victims (ideally children), prohibition of enforcement, etc. etc. have been sharpened and polished first in various intifadas and day to day reporting from the Middle East. All with your acquiescence or outright support because I assume “it’s them jews”.

    Then the same hit you and you whine. You shouldn’t – you reap what you sow. Karma is a bitch.
    So keep ignoring what is happening now. Most likely in 10-20 years it will be normal for your orcs to rain rockets on your nice suburbs and illegal for you to respond in any meaningful way. No doubt you will find solace blaming the jews for it.

    • Troll: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Lurker
  27. Anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe they can hit the NYT next.

  28. Steve Sailer Retweeted

    AD Powell
    @mischling2nd
    @Steve_Sailer South Africa’s black population has a very high internal murder rate, but the outrage is over one man shot by an American cop.

    …the body of Lindani Myeni, a South African rugby player, aspiring singer and father.

    Isn’t 29 a bit old to be an “aspiring singer”? And does aspiring modify father as well?

    His widow, Lindsay Myeni, a white American from Hawaii

    A blond white American from Hawaii. Jus’ sayin’… This couple also calls to mind Unter den Linden.

    But the publicized deaths of Africans at the hands of American police officers have touched a special nerve here.

    Race unspecified.

    In Austin, Texas, he was arrested at a nightclub while traveling with his rugby team… And in Denver, he was stopped by the police while walking to rugby practice.

    Rugby is suspicious on its face.

    They arrived in Honolulu in February. While Ms. Myeni sold real estate, Mr. Myeni, an industrial mechanical fitter by trade, stayed home with their young children, changing diapers, bathing and feeding them.

    “He had to do everything that went against traditional Zulu culture,” Ms. Myeni said. “He totally stepped up.”

    Anyone know any juicy Zulu terms for a fellow like that? Ekutheni indoda ayikhali doesn’t seem to have much sting.

    Interestingly, South Africa has an intricate gay argot/code using women’s names:

    https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_South_African_slang_words#/Gay_slang_also_called_’gayle’

    Steve and I, and many others here, are Ethel Wendy Barbaras.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  29. Whiskey says: • Website

    So the AP and media are “demanding” of Israel. They can demand whatever they want. If they demand too much …

    No one demands anything from Vladimir Putin. That is a lesson that has been learned well around the world. Media has power. That power ends when restraints are not there. When it comes to people actually poisoning enemies with polonium tea, or Novichuk, or who knows what else (like Lil’ Kim’s brother in Kuala Lumpur) then all the tweets and angry stand ups mean nothing.

    The female power of the media for shaming is powerful. Right up until it is meaningless.

    And in Israel the Colors of Benetton are dying. As is the dream of multiculturalism. If high IQ Jews can chase down lone Arabs and do terrible things in retaliation for lone Israelis being chased down by Arabs and having terrible things done to them along with rocket attacks … well so can other groups of high IQ Westerners. People like to copy Israelis.

    Interestingly, Bibi seems now to be surviving. His play, and he has one, is to keep the war going as long as possible and as wide as possible. Involving Hezbollah, Lebanon, Syria, IRAN most especially, and possibly Russia. Peace means he’s finished, war means survival.

  30. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Sorry, Altai, but I don’t understand what “pitch” means in “pitch invasion” and “pitch invaders”… Please explain.

  31. The Capitol Police have over 14,000 hours of footage they are judiciously withholding. Could these eight young men not show similar restraint?

    • LOL: Hibernian
  32. Charon says:
    @Patrick in SC

    We have neighbors who are incredibly superior to the rest of us, morally speaking, and they’re always saying or doing something to make sure everyone here knows it. They were the first with the BLM yard signs and bumper stickers, and they go from house to house trying to sniff out possible apostasy.

    One afternoon last summer their two kids (ages 5 and 8) staged a little march of their own, though they were unsuccessful in getting the other kids in the neighborhood to join in.

    The point of this story is that I believe their event was counted in the 94% peaceful contingent. But there’s always next year. Which is this year now.

    The 94% figure has taken on a life of its own already, as you might expect. I’m seeing it here and there online. Everyone “knows” that only Nazis mention crime anyway. Except for crime we can pin on Nazis. Everyone’s always talking about that.

  33. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    A pitch invasion is when part of the crowd at a sporting event run on to the field, for instance when the game’s over and their team has won, or lost in controversial circumstances. Here in the UK it happens most often at football matches.

    • Replies: @Neuday
  34. Anon[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I wonder if some of these journalists are playing both sides. You know, adopt a pro-Antifa stance, sell some of your footage to the left, but then sell some the violent stuff to the right anonymously. You make more money that way.

    Btw, has it occurred to anyone that the mass refusal to work for crap wages when unemployment pays better, is the modern equivalent of a General Strike? This is what happens when non-union workers get mad at being worked to death for terrible pay. Some of the people in our service industry work jobs that are just as nasty and stressful as those 10-hour-a day-factory jobs in the late 1800s. Those jobs got the whole union movement rolling along. But in this day and age, the Democrats will just open the borders to create one big, massive multimillion strike-breaking mob to take the jobs of any workers who try to create unions again.

  35. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    It is weird how they’ve been scolding us lately (past 2 mo.) that the historic peacefulness of leftist protesting is Settled Science and any exceptions to that are, hmm, actually they’re NOT exceptions because they’re “misinformation” and mulling that is worse than the Holocaust/9-11 and makes Jesus Floyd cry. It’d be like claiming that, since thermonuclear weapons have only been used in a small percentage of armed conflicts, it’s improper to pay any attention to those propagandistic videos of nukes going off.

    I don’t disagree about availability heuristic and sensationalism being a problem & distorting the perception of any wide-reaching and varied thing in the midst of unfolding, whether that is social media or Wikipedia or school shootings or fast food, etc. Specifically, the knee-jerk #BLMSoPeaceful trope is disgusting because of their peevish insistence that the Minneapolises and Portlands don’t actually exist, not really… Them bad apples are mere phantom right-wing sorcery. To take that tack is actually battier than anything Alex Jones spouts

  36. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ralph L

    Well, the Magnificent 8 do seem to have attended a lot of protests, but didn’t publish complete catalogs of clips for each of them. I can recall a few from that BGOnTheScene fellow which were relatively tame, just people marching in formation in the day and shouting inane slogans.

    The explosive examples tended to happen after dark. I don’t know if this owed to the Pacific/Eastern time difference as Steve has suggested. But your question can just as easily be flipped back on the riot-shy media: why did they decide *not* to appear at the violent protests? Had a hunch?

    The paparazzistic approach taken by the eight wreckers has a lot more in common with “Nightcrawler” hi-jinks but The Intercept doesn’t accuse them of diabolically withholding information from the police — kind of awkward, since the Left want to be seen hating police and withholding information from them — or otherwise stage-managing news chaos (which was the obvious destination of the plot in that movie from the beginning). The accusation is lamer, more like “failing to show proper context”

  37. @Jonathan Mason

    If a foreign leader the US doesn’t like wins an election the way Joe Biden did, the State Department calls it disputed, and starts sanctions against that government.

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @dfordoom
  38. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I wonder if some of these journalists are playing both sides.

    Nope. There are enough smart phones around that the source of any unwanted video is immediately identified. If you were allowed to film and then sold footage to the other side you’d end up with traumatic brain injury at the next demonstration: snitches get stitches isn’t just for the ghetto.

  39. Pericles says:
    @Altai

    When you’re more trigger happy than the SWAT guys, you’re probably in the wrong.

    Doesn’t matter when the Department of Justice is 100% on your side. Then you’re 100% right. Case closed.

  40. Clearly the Fake8 need to be brutally repressed for crimes against the American Coloured Revolution.

  41. Puremania says:

    The Intercept employed black journa-liar Juan Thompson. D.I.E. agenda, I’m sure.

  42. In response, one might cite the work of the Insurance Information Institute, which has determined that more than $1 billion in damage was caused by the 2020 BLM/Antifa riots. Surely, the insurance industry has no stake in exaggerating the extent of losses from riots and looting:

    https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-civil-disorders

    • Thanks: Polistra
  43. @NJ Transit Commuter

    I think John Derbyshire suggested this analogy, in relation to immigrants and terrorism, I think. Say only one out of a hundred of these chocolates has arsenic in it; care to try one?

  44. Old Prude says:
    @Altai

    Who killed Ashli Babbitt?

    Who “killed” George Floyd?

    Why do we all know the answer to one of those questions and not the other?

  45. Old Prude says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    This Israeli retaliation stuff is salubrious: The good Jews in the U.S. are caught in a dilemma of condemning American policing of their obstreperous black population, while defending the Israeli policing of their own rowdy Arab population.

    I was with a very nice and intelligent Jewess yesterday and you could see the strain it was taking on her. Is it bad of me to have enjoyed her discomfort? I don’t think so.

    • Thanks: Ian Smith
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  46. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I was involved in local politics in New York for a half-dozen years, concluding in 1990.

    If you wanted to vote by post, you called the board of elections and asked them to send you an application. You filled out the application and stated your reason for wishing to vote by post, which had to be drawn from a menu specified in the statute.

    Everyone else was expected to vote in person. There was one precinct per 1,000 residents (there still is) and 80% of the population lived within ready walking distance of their precinct. The votes were tabulated on mechanical lever machines and the preliminary tallies conveyed to the county board of elections by phone, canvassing to be done later. No software applied or needed.

    If you did not cast a ballot during a quadrennial cycle, you were sent a postcard informing you that your name had been removed from the rolls and you had to re-register. BTw, the registration forms were available at every post office in town and could be filled out in a minute or so, the US Postal Service providing you with the pen. About 70% of the eligible population managed to accomplish this.

    Operating a sensible system of this sort is now slapped with the label ‘voter suppression’. I think we know why.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  47. Gordo says:
    @Altai

    Outside countries under authoritarian regimes, I can’t think of an instance of when something like the pitch invasion on the capitol ever resulted in the use of deadly force, much less against a woman. Shortly after their defeat in the war, protestors entered the foyer of the Armenian parliament being much less jovial or old. The difference? The police in the Armenian parliament didn’t see the people protesting as an ‘other’ or the enemy. None of them thought to shoot any of them.

    You are saying something important there.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
  48. Gamecock says:

    ‘focusing instead on viral videos of unrest’

    “Hey, Jim, let’s make us a viral video!”

    The 8 make videos. Large numbers of people watching them makes them viral. The Establishment finds making stuff people want to see is right-wing evil.

    10,000 more Black Lives Matter protests that were entirely peaceful. According to the researchers, there was no looting, arson, or violence of any kind at 94 percent

    Lemme see . . . my calculator says 6% of 10,000 is 600 riots. Who many riots does the Left need to make it a concern?

    One, in their yard, and it doesn’t even need to be a riot.

    Pelosi, tear down that wall!

  49. Curle says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Greenwald has denounced the highjacking of the outlet he founded.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  50. @interesting

    The theory that somehow Russians on Facebook tipped the previous election to Trump was equally stupid, but proves my point that both parties do the same thing to try to undermine the legitimacy of elections.

    But Americans of all political persuasions love their conspiracy theories. They are so much more fun than dealing with reality, and contribute a great deal to the pursuit of happiness.t

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Curle
    , @interesting
  51. @Redneck farmer

    True. You have to wonder why Russia has not put sanctions on the United States for unelecting its puppet regime in Washington.

  52. @Art Deco

    About 70% of the eligible population managed to accomplish this.

    Are you seriously saying that 30% of the
    local electorate was not allowed to vote? Shouldn’t it be the responsibility of the supervisor of elections to get everybody registered? What an abysmal failure!

    It is almost as if the local voting regulations were designed to exclude some people from voting rather than to include every citizen.

    Where does the US Constitution say that only people who sign up to vote ahead of time are allowed to vote?

    Here in Ecuador everybody is issued a national ID card (cédula) that bears a unique number and all you have to do is to present this card to vote. You do not have to keep renewing the card, and your card is not canceled if you fail to vote.

    It is mandatory for everybody to vote, and if somebody does not vote in a four year election cycle, they can be fined for not voting. (For 16 to 18 year olds voting is voluntary, and I believe that vote is over a certain retirement age are also excused from mandatory voting.)

    The outcome is like the Gospels account of the Roman census, where the mother and father of baby Jesus had to return to their hometown. Everyone has to travel to their hometown to vote, and public transportation and hotels are jammed. Alcohol sales are banned on the day of the election, and it is a holiday and everybody has a day off work to vote.

    You could have the same thing in the United States. Every citizen at the age of 16 is issued a photo ID with a unique number. This can have barcode information that allows it to double up as a driver’s license. This card can be used for identification as a voter.

    If people fail to vote, the state could suspend their driver’s license or cut off their water until they pay a fine.

    That way nobody could claim that people were prevented from voting for Trump. No State should be happy until it gets 100% registration of voters.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Art Deco
  53. ic1000 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    > There is no evidence whatsoever that the Biden election win was a coup d’etat in a phony election.

    What percentage of registered voters casting ballots is too high? What’s your opinion of 94.1%? Too big, too small, or just right?

    > Just saying that the Democrats got more votes than the Republicans in key States is not evidence of fraud per se.

    Agree.

    > Where are the details of the conspiracy and who orchestrated it?

    Start with this celebratory Progressive account. The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election, by Molly Ball, time.com. Feb. 4, 2021.

  54. anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Whatever. Some of these same people, including especially the AP, lectured us last summer that “Property distruction is not violence,” and also tweeted about how when a small business gets destroyed or looted ‘It’s ok because they probably have insurance.’

  55. Corvinus says:

    “If you look at the data behind this report, you will see this leftist group has characterized 617 incidents in the U.S. since the death of George Floyd as “riots,” with 598 falling in the subcategory of “violent demonstrations” and 19 of “mob violence.”

    As opposed to a self-proclaimed pattern recognizer who will set everyone straight, right? iSteve, why don’t you analyze this treasure trove of data. This sort of stuff is in your wheelhouse, right? Provide the metrics employed, then write your narrative.

    https://elephrame.com/textbook/BLM

  56. Corvinus says:

    “In contrast, out of the thousands of pro-Trump rallies in 2020-21, one turned out to be farcical dust-up, which we will never ever let you forget for one minute.”

    It was DOOZY, Mr.s Sailer. An insurrection planned by Trump and his cronies. You really make it a point not to NOTICE, even though deep down you know better. Stay cagey!

  57. @ic1000

    What percentage of registered voters casting ballots is too high?

    Anything over 100%. But a more important question is what percentage of the electorate is registered. It should be 100%.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    , @ic1000
  58. @ic1000

    I don’t see anything in that article about votes being cast on behalf of people who died 20 years ago, tens of thousands of non-citizens voting, boxes of preprinted Biden ballots being smuggled into polling stations, or potential Trump voters being prevented from casting their votes by armed militias, or being stricken from the electoral rolls.

    I think the whole idea of states making up the rules and regulations regarding voting is ridiculous.

    Why not have a bipartisan commission set up a unitary voting system for the United States federal elections that will make it as easy as possible for citizens to vote, but exclude anybody who is too young, dead, or not a citizen, and which will prevent people from voting more than once. Is that so difficult?

    The question as to whether prisoners should be allowed to vote can be something to be discussed. I have no particular opinion on the matter.

    • Replies: @ic1000
  59. Ralph L says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    “pitch invasion”

    One done before they apply the feathers.

  60. Rob says:

    …was violence, it was inflicted on protesters, either by the police or right-wing vigilantes.

    Is the second part remotely true? There are lots and lots of cell phones capable of recording video. Given the behavior of the media in FloydFest, they would have had any clips of right-wingers beating protestors in heavy rotation. The right-wing violence would not be an internet rumor. It would be part of the narrative, ‘Peaceful Racial Justice Protests and Reactionary Right-Wing Violence.’ There are no recordings of right-wing violence against BLMers because there was no such violence.

    I have a feeling FloydFest really gave the left the wrong impression of the right. So many MAGA types were invested in the ghost of Candidate Trump that when he did not put down the protests, and because the looting was happening to Blue people in Blue cities in Blue states, the right pretty much said, ‘meh, let it burn’ and was entirely absent from the street violence.

    That absence may have given the left the impression that the right will just roll over. I do not think that is the case. Come a chance to install a regime more to their liking, when one legitimate election was won to no effect. The next election was, if not won by fraud, won by people who do refused to do any investigation of allegations of fraud, including one where vote-counters appears to pull out suitcases of ballots. The fact that every single close state went Democratic, and Biden won with exactly as many electoral votes as Trump seems suspicious. Not to mention all the public-private partnerships to ‘fortify’ the election. Looks a lot like the Uniparty expelling a foreign object.

    Once the Ghost of Candidate Trump exits the stage, maybe there will be a ‘right-wing’ (actually eighties Democrat) candidate or pol who can rally the base. It kinda seems unlikely. The media will never give someone with Primary Campaign Candidaye Trump’s agenda. They got the message out, but did not manage to get the ‘this is awful’ editorializing into patriots’ heads. What various branches of government and technically-not-the-government-but-run-on-grants organizations get through with Trump, no deca-millionaire on up is going to risk his fortune and his kids’ future trying to save America.

    One Big Strong Leader to Save Us is not really a thing on the American right. All the authoritarian strongman style leaders have been on the left. Which is not to say they were wrong. Can you imagine what the Confederacy would be like today without Lincoln? Hello Guatemala with blacks! Huey Long was populist, which the media has put on the right. Mostly because the supranational elite is socially liberal. Populism has leftist and rightist elements. Plus, MAGA was only ‘populist’ because it needed a name. A better term for MAGAism is ‘patriotic moderation’.

  61. Ralph L says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Saki tackled this in The Story of the Great Weep, one of my favorites that still resonates in the Age of Karens.

    http://eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/HerIra.shtml

  62. ic1000 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    > I don’t see anything in that article about votes being cast on behalf of people who died 20 years ago, tens of thousands of non-citizens voting, boxes of preprinted Biden ballots being smuggled into polling stations, or potential Trump voters being prevented from casting their votes by armed militias, or being stricken from the electoral rolls.

    Agree. Nothing about hologram votes being transported by flying saucers, either. I wasn’t aware that the dismissal of wild-eyed claims — or the “debunking” of plausible claims that turn out to be incorrect — now constitutes powerful evidence that electoral procedures were properly followed in all important respects.

    It’s hard to keep up with Current Year standards of proof.

    As a reminder, on the evening of the election, NBC News immediately responded to one of Trump’s first “iregularities!” tweets with the categorical statement that there was No Evidence that any vote fraud had taken place.

    Wow, I remember thinking, that was some fast gumshoe sleuthing on the part of NBC News. Of course, it was no less rapid or less thorough than the parallel investigations by other prestige organs of the Upper Class Media.

    Above, you asked, “Where are the details of the conspiracy and who orchestrated it?” I provided one journalist’s “first cut of history” answer.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  63. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Redneck farmer

    If a foreign leader the US doesn’t like wins an election the way Joe Biden did, the State Department calls it disputed, and starts sanctions against that government.

    If a foreign leader the US doesn’t like wins an election in a totally fair way, the State Department calls it disputed, and starts sanctions against that government.

  64. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon

    Btw, has it occurred to anyone that the mass refusal to work for crap wages when unemployment pays better, is the modern equivalent of a General Strike?

    That’s an interesting take.

  65. Curle says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The reality is dark money paid to achieve elections changes in near certain extra constitutional ways but that’s the nature of phony emergencies and time limits. No time for full judicial review. Plus, the legal community has become an activist arm for the Ds and the corporacy.

    This was tried before in 2000 when Gore sought to apply post hoc rules to the FLA election and almost succeeded. This time the stakes were higher and the tactic better; apply last minute before election changes. Good strategy. It worked.

    THEFT is the appropriate term for it. They refined their stealing tactics and scored a victory. Who says diligence doesn’t pay?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  66. Corvinus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Spoken like an Internet armchair warrior.

  67. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    “THEFT is the appropriate term for it. They refined their stealing tactics and scored a victory. Who says diligence doesn’t pay?”

    Speaking of Trump…

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/16/politics/arizona-audit-money-invs/index.html

    • Replies: @Curle
  68. In my town, we had two BLM demonstrations of note last summer. Both included demonstrators blocking the nearby interstate for an hour or two, with the support of the state police. Very brave to block a highway when the cops are there to make sure you don’t get hurt doing so.

    One resulted in the main business street suffering a lot of broken glass and a few fires; half a dozen businesses I know of threw in the towel after that. The second one, businesses boarded up their plate glass first. There was a demonstration on the courthouse steps, including a contingent of black militants with rifles strapped to their chests talking through the microphone about Marcus Garvey and WEB DuBois. Apart from the highway blocking and the threat of violence in the air, that one was “mostly peaceful” in the sense that local media didn’t report anything burning.

    Since then, downtown has been a ghost town. Partly that’s the enduring COVID lockdowns, but partly it’s that the cops just don’t do anything about people shooting up in the street or panhandling any more. I went out to lunch with a colleague last week, walked maybe four blocks in broad daylight, two 6’+ white men, got panhandled twice, walked past one obviously strung out guy on the sidewalk and had to do the icy 1000 yard stare at a black guy who wanted to run his mouth at the interloping crackers. In an aggregate of 10 minutes at mid-day. Were those demonstrations “violent,” maybe not, or maybe not the second one, but there has been a distinct change in who owns the space now.

    Which was the point.

  69. ic1000 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    ic1000, above: “What percentage of registered voters casting ballots is too high?”

    > Anything over 100%.

    You probably mean 99.97%, since one (1) of each of the following has been documented: a non-citizen registrant, a long-deceased registrant, a registrant who also voted in another state.

    > But a more important question is what percentage of the electorate is registered. It should be 100%.

    Agree, since we are playing Calvinball. Agreed-upon rules are for losers.

    • Replies: @Curle
  70. Neuday says:
    @Joe S.Walker

    Oh. I thought pitch invasion was a clever term for those women who keep calling me about my vehicle warranty.

  71. @Reg Cæsar

    This piece of video below is great. It’s like a controlled demolition. Very impressive.

    So let’s review, shall we? We destroy an important Hamas building, but as an added bonus, we obliterate the HQ of AP and Al Jazeera!!

    A 3-fer!!

    And we give all the outraged media enough warning so they can get exit with their laptops, some family pictures, and a file or two. And it gives them all plenty of time to set up their cameras for the best possible money shot which they will use as a propaganda tool, but actually shows how precise the targeting can be.

    Hey guys, as the BLM folks would say, it’s just a building! They have insurance!!

  72. Curle says:
    @Corvinus

    Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin Tū quoque, for “you also”), or the appeal to hypocrisy, is an informal fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent’s argument by attacking the opponent’s own personal behavior as being inconsistent with the argument’s conclusion(s). This specious reasoning is a special type of ad hominem attack. It is used frequently[citation needed] with “whataboutism” being one particularly well known instance of this fallacy.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  73. Curle says:
    @ic1000

    “ But a more important question is what percentage of the electorate is registered. It should be 100%.”

    In other words mandatory state ID? BTW – having once been involved with a drivers license security improvement exercise you’d be amazed at the groups that come out from under rocks to oppose any additional security. There’s lots of people making money off of the hidden workforce, including people getting government money. The lead face of the “anti” activists in this instance were the feminists who argued that accurate ID would victimize women who needed fake ID to escape vengeful husbands.

  74. @ic1000

    It is normal in the US for both parties to try to get rules for elections drawn in a way that they think will favor their own party. Likewise with the drawing of constituency boundaries. Since this is a bipartisan thing, in the long run it is a wash.

    Elections in the US are going to become increasingly unreliable and already the losers are becoming unwilling to accept defeat, which was accelerated by the events of January 2021. Perhaps next time there will be mobs from BOTH parties breaking into Congress to try to nullify the results.

    What is needed is a unified election system. Perhaps to start with a bipartisan commission could determine which of the 50 states makes it easiest to vote and set the standard that all states must set rules that make it as easy or easier to vote than that state (maybe Oregon).

    Australia has both mandatory voting and voter registration they seem to manage to hold orderly elections without having to invade Canberra. There are slightly different qualifications between states, for example in Queensland prisoners serving a sentence of 5 years or more are banned from voting, but in other states a 3-year sentence will disqualify you.

    (All prisoners can vote in Ireland, Europe, Japan, Canada and New Zealand – unless doing time for treason or terrorism.)

    What is the magic sauce?

    Australia has mandatory registration (called enrollment). At the close of roll for the 2019 federal election, the participation rate was 96.8%. and the voting turnout at that election was a hair under 92%. There is a nominal $20 fine for failure to vote without a good reason.

    https://www.aec.gov.au/enrol/

    In the US election of 2020, the voter turnout of registered voters was only 67% and only 73% of eligible voters were registered. If there are any changes needing to be made in election laws and practices, it is pretty clear where they are needed.

    I am not terribly sympathetic to “critical race theory”, but looked at objectively, it does seem that some state legislators in the US could do more to make it easier to vote and think that legislators ought to maybe examine their own unconscious biases.

    Incidentally, how many Republican Congresspersons and Senators are demanding that the Capital Hill killer be put on trial? (I suspect that they are secretly glad to be protected by hired thugs.)

    • Agree: dfordoom
  75. anon[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    you’re an idiot

    • Replies: @res
  76. @Anon

    You are deluded if you think service industry jobs are remotely equivalent to a Victorian factory.

    Those jobs are simply not that hard. Sure, your feet may ache at the end of the day if it’s busy and maybe you’ll witness some drug deal from the ex-cons working in the kitchen (just ignore it).

    I had several retail and restaurant jobs in high school and college. I’m generally in favor or economic protectionism but the idea that service industry jobs are grueling is ludicrous. Waiters and bartenders make good money unless they are working in the middle of nowhere or the ghetto. Also they can take home more by not reporting earnings in full.

    I do not blame people for sitting and collecting unemployment when that option exists, but they aren’t necessarily making more on unemployment. The reason everyone suddenly thinks these jobs are so awful is because an increasing proportion of college grads are forced to take them, and it wounds their pride.

    So the real problem is that too many people are pushed into college and it causes long-term angst. Also that we have a “service-based” economy to begin with. Thanks, Reagan/Bush I/Clinton.

  77. Curle says:

    “ It is normal in the US for both parties to try to get rules for elections drawn in a way that they think will favor their own party. Likewise with the drawing of constituency boundaries. Since this is a bipartisan thing, in the long run it is a wash.”

    You are conflating policy making with deliberate tactics to undermine elections to rationalize the inexcusable; an deliberate and successful attempt to subvert the election. By the way, in the course of this thread you’ve already displayed motte and Bailey reasoning.

  78. @Jonathan Mason

    Perhaps to start with a bipartisan commission could determine which of the 50 states makes it easiest to vote and set the standard that all states must set rules that make it as easy or easier to vote than that state (maybe Oregon).

    A commission!! Yes!! And a bipartisan commission!! Sounds great…

    Wait…hold on….my phone’s ringing…

    (In my best Bob Newhart voice)

    “Yes, oh…..hello there Bob the Constitution guy…great to hear from you…what’s that?

    “You mean…we can’t…but we have to have the world sing in perfect harmony, same thing with USA….yes I know that’s an old advertisement…but the sentiment…oh, it’s not about sentiment? It’s about the…well that document is so old, it’s getting long in the tooth..

    “…Yeah, I know that it was signed and all, all our public officials swear an oath to it…and sure, it does say elections are the responsibility of the states, specifically the state legislatures….but the bipartisan commission…what’s that??

    “”A moronic and idiotic idea? Besides being unconstitutional?’…

    “Do you really have to be so mean? OK, OK I promise…I’ll break open my copy of The Federalist Papers again….no, I am not rolling my eyes, but I bet you are…always good to hear from you…well, sometimes!!

    Bye now!”

  79. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    Bravo, sir, for stating this fallacy, but not offering a specific explanation as to how exactly it applies here. Please, we are all ears…

    “THEFT is the appropriate term for it. They refined their stealing tactics and scored a victory. Who says diligence doesn’t pay?”

    Exactly what “stealing tactics” were employed? How are these strategies different then than the ones being employed in Arizona now?

    • Replies: @Curle
  80. AndrewR says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Lmao Armenia recently lost a war to Azerbaijan and Turkey

  81. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Are you seriously saying that 30% of the local electorate was not allowed to vote?

    No, 30% did not bother to fill out a brief form available at any post office. Understanding that isn’t that difficult. Strange as it may seem to you, a large fraction of the public simply is not interested in public affairs.

    Shouldn’t it be the responsibility of the supervisor of elections to get everybody registered?

    No it should not. It’s the responsibility of the board of elections staff to enter data from forms into the register, to maintain the electoral register in good order and to provide printed copies to anyone who requests one, to act as a depository for petitions and to provide them for inspection by interested parties, to act as a depository for objections to petitions, to rule on objections (which may be appealed to the state courts), to distribute absentee ballots to parties who file valid applications, to arrange for the printing of ballots, to delineate precinct boundaries, to provide printed maps of precincts to all comers, to distribute voting equipment and signature books to precincts, to recruit poll inspectors for all precincts, to collate the precinct tabulations, to conduct check-in and tabulation of returned absentee ballots, and to certify tallies for all races within its sole purview.

    It is not the responsibility of the board of elections to pee for you or to fill out simple forms any minimally literate adult can understand.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  82. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Where does the US Constitution say that only people who sign up to vote ahead of time are allowed to vote?

    Article I, section 4:

    “The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.”

    That applies to federal elections. Procedures for conducting state and local elections are at the discretion of state legislators.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  83. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  84. res says:
    @anon

    Jonathan Mason is not an idiot. He is pursuing a consistent campaign of misinformation. I hope he is getting paid for it because I would be sad if anyone swallowed The Narrative as thoroughly as his persona here seems to.

    In case anyone needs a reminder, Corvinus is similar. As is Sean, on other topics.

    They all can be fairly entertaining to read once you realize this.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  85. @Art Deco

    “The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations,

    So why doesn’t the Congress just pass a universal voting rights law overriding all restrictions placed by states and just let the states decide on the opening hours and location of polling stations according to time zones, local weather conditions, and so on.

    The constitution says that voting is both a right and a privilege.

    This makes no sense at all, because I was always told that having a Florida driver’s license is a privilege, not a right, so it has to be one or the other, not both. If it is a right, then it is not a privilege, and vice versa.

    North Dakota does not require voter registration, so even voter registration is not absolutely necessary for a constitutionally correct election, so the states that demand it are all full of BS.

    Even North Dakota has had its problems as they require a picture ID with a residential address, and apparently many native Americans living on reservations do not have proper paleface-type addresses. (Kind of like trailer parks in the US, where they only have random lot numbers with no discernible sequence and a sign saying “The Smiths–Beware of the Dog” stuck on the mailbox.}

    On the other hand, many people in Latin-American countries do not have gringo-style mailing addresses either, or have addresses like “near the junction of 8th Street and 10th Avenue, in the blue house with the two dogs on the roof and the electricity pole outside”, but they still manage to have elections,

    Obviously it does make having elections easier and snappier if voters are just given an approved voter card to show at the polls, but there should still be ways to register on the spot or provisionally if you have never previously registered to vote–North Dakota does this–and once a person is registered they should be registered for life or until they decide to register in a different place, or maybe in a different state.

    But the bottom line is that a lot of the rules that states make up supposedly to reduce voter fraud also have the effect of reducing the number of voters who are citizens, aged over 18, and residents of those states, which is the only qualification needed, and this effect is not entirely coincidental.

    If only there were ways of reducing fraud that also got more people voting!

    • Replies: @rebel yell
  86. Curle says:
    @Corvinus

    Already stated it. Modifying electoral rules through late in the game legal challenges to sympathetic umpires. Please pay attention.

    I presume you struggle with the distinction between policy making and legal claims or reject that they are qualitatively different, eh? I imagine you did the same in 2000 when Al Gore employed the same devices.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  87. @res

    Jonathan Mason is not an idiot.

    Thank you for noticing, *res. You are not an idiot either, just in case anyone thought that you were. When it comes to good discussion, you are always in media *res.

    You have my full endorsement and I have awarded you a gold star for good conduct.

    • Replies: @res
  88. Gamecock says:

    There is no evidence whatsoever that the Biden election win was a coup d’etat in a phony election. Grow up!

    Video of Fulton County election officials pulling boxes of ballots from under a table at oh-dark-thirty is the end of the world.

  89. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    No, you didn’t offer the explanation. You have to show exactly how and why the falls you is being employed. Assuming it to be true does not pass as an argument. Try again.

    “Modifying electoral rules through late in the game legal challenges to sympathetic umpires.”

    You mean election officials deciding to ensure voting opportunities under the discretion of the law during an epidemic, with judges using the rule of law to guide their decisions.

    “I presume you struggle with the distinction between policy making and legal claims…”

    According to Who/Whom?

    • Replies: @Curle
  90. JMcG says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    He looks very old in that pic.

  91. @Anon

    Btw, has it occurred to anyone that the mass refusal to work for crap wages when unemployment pays better, is the modern equivalent of a General Strike?

    It is not.

  92. res says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Who cares about my conduct? What I care about is the content of people’s comments. Which is why I am so scornful of you.

    P.S. I’m pretty sure content is what Ron cares about as well. Hence the gold star.

    • Thanks: ic1000
  93. @JohnnyWalker123

    the moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards open borders for israel.

  94. And even if you believe that “a riot is the language of the unheard,”

    … then you are probably living in a parallel universe in which BLM was not reported in every news bulletin for a year.

  95. @Jonathan Mason

    If the qualifications to vote are legal citizenship and being 18 or older, then YOU HAVE to require ID of some kind to confirm that the person voting is a legal citizen, and that they are 18 or older. Moreover, people only get ONE VOTE, not twenty or thirty. So again you have to require ID to confirm that the person hasn’t already voted multiple times.
    Whether it is voter registration cards, or driver’s license, or whatever, you have to require ID for voting to have an honest election. And requiring ID implies checking the ID for authenticity, which usually means you sign up ahead of time.
    Democrats are branding voter ID as voter suppression. And it is suppressing voting by non-citizens, voting by those under 18, voting by dead people, and voting multiple times. Voter suppression is therefore a good thing, not a bad thing.
    Democrats are also branding voter ID as racist. If most of the non-citizen, underage, dead voters are racial minorities, and it is racist to stop them from voting, then racism is a good thing.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  96. MEH 0910 says:

    Intercept Smears WRONG Reporter For Doing Reporting

  97. @Jonathan Mason

    “But Americans of all political persuasions love their conspiracy theories”

    Yep…..but the part you are conveniently overlooking is that the 2016 insanity was sanctioned by Hollywood, Academia, AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA and treated as FACT

    It was nonstop for 4 mother fucking years, Russia Russia Russia…..over and over and over and over and over and over and over……

    what I just stated is NOT hyperbole…..it a mother fucking fact.

    SO…..now I ask……WHY?

    WHY, was Russia Russia Russia treated as a “matter of fact” by those who have the most influence over our society AND more importantly where the fuck you YOU then?

    Does this not PROVE that there really is a “deep state” that’s playing all of us for fools?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  98. @Rob

    Did anyone on the right protest the execution of Ashli Babbit ? even when BLM activists murder an Un-armed white Female the alt-right reaction is to mock the victim and do nothing.

  99. Gamecock says:

    In fact the big surprise was that Trump came so close after 4 years of his patently demented behavior and incompetence that made the US an international laughing stock.

    Only a juvenile would be concerned. Your development ended in junior high school? We need to get back in with the in-crowd?

  100. @Art Deco

    No, 30% did not bother to fill out a brief form available at any post office.

    Oh, OK, I thought you were saying that 30% of the electorate was not registered to vote and not able to vote on election day. Different thing, then, if they were registered by other means than filling out a form at the post office.

  101. @rebel yell

    Well, if you see my other comments, you will see that I am suggesting that the US has some kind of universal mandatory voter enrollment (like Australia) so that all this bickering about whether elections are fixed and voters are suppressed can stop. Both sides would benefit from it, elections would be seen to be fairer, and the political parties could get on with offering voters policy choices instead of devoting their energies to bickering about election rules. And we could have changes of administration without rioting.

    We can look at the different states and see which ones get the largest percentage of their eligible voters registered and see if their system for proof of identify is in some way different from the lower achieving states.

    In some states voter registration is linked to driver licenses, which seems like a good idea since voter registration often operates out of the same offices as automobile registration and driver licenses, but what about the people who don’t drive? Could the voter registration system be accidentally biased in favor of better off people who don’t use public transportation? Could voter registration also be linked in some way with public transportation ticketing or registration desks at commuter terminals?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @ic1000
  102. dfordoom says: • Website
    @interesting

    Does this not PROVE that there really is a “deep state” that’s playing all of us for fools?

    It indicates (or proves if you like) that there are a lot of powerful interest groups whose interests often (but not necessarily always) coincide. It indicates that a lot of people with very similar backgrounds and education, who went to the same sorts of schools and colleges and have spent their lives moving in the same (or very similar) social circles have very similar worldviews, very similar opinions and very similar agendas.

    That’s not the same as proving the existence of a single vast organised conspiracy or “Deep State”.

  103. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    In some states voter registration is linked to driver licenses, which seems like a good idea since voter registration often operates out of the same offices as automobile registration and driver licenses, but what about the people who don’t drive?

    In Australia if you don’t have a driver’s licence you can go to the same office that issues driver’s licences and get a photo-ID card that is pretty much universally accepted as proof of ID. It’s exactly like a driver’s licence and is just as useful and convenient when you need to prove your ID. The only difference is that it doesn’t allow you to drive a car.

    So it’s not complicated. If you have a system for issuing driver’s licences (and I’d guess that every country on Earth has such a system) then it’s ridiculously easy. In Australia driver’s licences (and the photo-ID cards I’m talking about) are issued by the state governments.

    • Replies: @Curle
  104. ic1000 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Richard Daley’s Chicago, the climax forest of participatory democracy.

  105. TBeholder says:

    relentlessly driven home by Fox News and Republican politicians,

    Plug, plug, plug the fake opposition!
    Other than this quaint local color, the boilerplate is hilariously Soviet in style. I guess once the Brezhnev Era has begun, no loyalist will be left behind with non-mummified brain.

    The Ogre does what ogres can,
    Deeds quite impossible for Man,
    But one prize is beyond his reach,
    The Ogre cannot master Speech:
    About a subjugated plain,
    Among its desperate and slain,
    The Ogre stalks with hands on hips,
    While drivel gushes from his lips.
    — W. H. Auden

  106. Bnmhfhjk says:

    Why does my local news channel focus on the house in my town that’s burning instead on 94% of the houses that aren’t burning? It’s PROPAGANDA!

  107. @Old Prude

    Your analogy fails, Whites are not stealing the Black’s land.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
  108. @Jonathan Mason

    It was an attempt to prevent the certification of a lawful election for the highest office in the United States.

    No it wasn’t. No one was armed. The cops let everyone in. Pelosi refused repeated requests for more personnel beforehand. There is strong evidence of Antifa angents provocateur switching their clothes then starting the process that some call an “insurrection.” 100s of Trump supporter eyewitness have come forth to say the people that came through the doors were not Trump supporters–the first ones. So there was no attempt to do anything and the election wasn’t lawful either.

    There is no evidence whatsoever that the Biden election win was a coup d’etat in a phony election. Grow up!

    Yes there is and plenty of it. Data experts, statisticians, mathematicians and programmers by the dozen have come forth to dispute the election. Video shows people dumping ballots multiple times into the machines or conversely throwing Trump ballots away. There are 100s of affidavits attesting to fraud. Furthermore, changing voting laws so close to an election is illegal in every state. Making rules are prohibited by the US constitution unless it is the state legislatures doing the making of the new rules. There are no exceptions to this rule. And you are in the minority: a huge majority of Republicans and substantial minority of Democrats believe the election was fraudulent. This is no conspiracy :”theory”. But the most glaring giveaway to this fraud is the extreme, desperate attempts to stop the Arizona audit. If the election was ” lawful” why are the Dems acting like rats in a barrel slowly filling with brine? Come on, man. Grow up.

    In fact the big surprise was that Trump came so close after 4 years of his patently demented behavior and incompetence that made the US an international laughing stock.

    No one in the international community was laughing at Trump. But everyone laughed at Obama by his 8th year, and are now laughing at both Biden and Harris. What a sad bird you are. So demented.

    Elections will always be close.

    No they won’t. There is clear evidence Trump won in a landslide.

    Elections are a messy process.

    They are not in most other countries. ID is required, paper ballots are used, then hand counted in front of the public then posted that same night. The only reason elections in the US are a messy process is due to willful nonsense rules that invite fraud and the use of computers in voting. Get rid of those, require ID, and count publicly immediately and you have a clean election. You are spouting nonsense. If other countries can do it, we can, too.

    However if Biden does a really lousy job and pisses off enough people,

    That’s already happened. Were you one of the 4 people that attended his “rallys”? No one else showed up because no one else supported him. But we’ve had a chance to see what he does and he’s already shown he does a lousy job and has pissed off just about everyone. Of course, Harris is even worse, if that’s possible. But it is.

    Finally, no one needs or wants your nutty recommendations. Trump broke all records for voter turnout especially minority turn out (for a Republican). You’d best think about these things and change your ways. You are in a rapidly disintegrating minority of delusional fools howling at the moon.

    The sky is indeed falling….on you and your kind.

  109. Rob McX says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Isn’t 29 a bit old to be an “aspiring singer”? And does aspiring modify father as well?

    Perspiring and expiring, yes, but the aspiring part was over. He’d passed on his genes.

  110. Old Prude says:
    @Bill Jones

    It’s not an analogy. It’s a moral dilemma.

    And, BTW, they didn’t steal it. They took it. Lets see if the Arab has what is required to take it back. Care to place a bet?

  111. BenKenobi says:

    FACT CHECK: US Military personnel engaged in combat in WW2

    MOSTLY FALSE: 85% of US Military personnel are employed in non-combat roles.

    CONCLUSION: US Military involvement in WW2 was mostly peaceful.

    • Thanks: Curle
  112. This is off topic, but apparently Doctor Trump was right about Covid-19 and the cleansing of the lungs. Stopped clock right two times a day, and all that. The DailyMailOnline is on it!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9589611/Queensland-researchers-huge-Covid-19-breakthrough-way-kill-99-9-virus.html

    • Replies: @Curle
  113. Curle says:
    @Corvinus

    Aside from the fact you are so uninformed you need to be educated on the topic of improper judicial efforts prior to the election, here’s a start. It’s a complaint. I imagine based on your comments this will operate far above your comprehension skills but nevertheless here it is.

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/162953/20201207234611533_TX-v-State-Motion-2020-12-07%20FINAL.pdf

    Bonus points if you can explain why the court didn’t take the case.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  114. Curle says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    If you imagine Trump arrived at his layman’s explanation for the developing technology on his own you are even dumber than the caliber of your comments here would otherwise suggest.

  115. Curle says:
    @dfordoom

    “ If you have a system for issuing driver’s licences (and I’d guess that every country on Earth has such a system) then it’s ridiculously easy.”

    The critical need for the Democrats is to get someone to vote who is so monumentally lazy, directionless or otherwise mind bogglingly stupid that even simple tasks like finding the drivers license office are beyond their organizational or planning skills and abilities. They need a system where, in effect, someone else can do the voting for them; something like mail in voting. That’s what they’ve been driving towards since before 2000 and it’s what they sought to achieve, and apparently did achieve, through the various judicial modifications to election practices that occurred between summer and Election Day of last year.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  116. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    So you punted. That is other than surprising. YOU were the one who claimed I engaged in the tu quoque fallacy without any explanation. When I asked you to state your case, you carry on with this assumption as being factual. Try yet again.

    “Aside from the fact you are so uninformed…far above your comprehension skills”.

    False conclusion on your part. I have shown to provide explanations and sources when required. You disagreeing with my conclusions based on the evidence does not equate to me being automatically misguided in my line of thinking.

    In the Texas case you cited, the Supreme Court properly noted that Texas has no judicially perceptible interest in the election protocols of other states. Had the Justices ruled in favor of Texas, that would set a precedent of enabling states intervene in future state elections merely because they oppose those procedures. How would this decision be consistent with the 10th Amendment—states rights—with millions of votes being thrown out? Even crusty Senator  John Cronyn was other than convinced by the “logic” of the case.

    Speaking of our past presidential election, how do you account for Trump lawyers in their court cases around the nation you did not claim sweeping fraud?

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

    For example, his lawyers sought to have the Bucks County (PA) Court of Common Pleas invalidate more than 2,200 supposedly “defective ballots” counted after a review by the Board of Elections. Yet, attorneys for both sides signed a “joint stipulation of facts—an instrument meant to provide the court with facts relevant to the case that are undisputed by either party in the action—which clearly disavows any claims that voting in the commonwealth’s fourth-largest county was affected by any fraudulent conduct.”

    The joint statement literally reads: “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.” Additionally, both sides agreed that election observers from each party were allowed full access to view the pre-canvassing and canvassing processes.

    On a related note, I imagine you would know why Sydney Powell dropped her suit in Georgia when asked to submit evidence, considering she claimed she had bombshell revelations how the U.S. Army seized servers in Germany that switched voters from Trump to Biden.

    https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/534953-sidney-powell-withdraws-kraken-lawsuit-in-georgia

  117. @Reg Cæsar

    The Associated Press has it coming good and hard.

    Yeah, it’s pretty hard to get worked up about the AP getting bombed — but bombing the Red Crescent headquarters [Muslim equivalent of the Red Cross] seems pretty egregious:

    https://thedohaglobe.com/local/israel-destroys-qatar-red-crescent-headquarters-in-gaza-airstrike/

  118. @Corvinus

    lol

    (((Lawfare Blog)))? You’re kidding, right? Let’s see what else the proprietor of the Lawfare Blog has to say:

    When Wittes and his cabal whine that the long-debunked Steele canard is somehow “true,” they mean it in the semitic sense of “truth” — i.e. useful for the Tribe’s interests. A successful “experiment” on the goyim, as it were.

    Aren’t you the hasbarat that keeps posting crap from Bill Kristol’s pathetic neocon rag, The Shtetl Wall?

  119. @WJ

    The rioters burned a two hundred year old church adjacent to the WH

    Hey, it’s not as if it was a synagogue or something.

    I seem to remember that a number of riotous, coup-plotting, terroristic insurrectionaries stormed the Capitol back in 2017, in an event that was a clearly a horrific desecration of the sacred temples:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/protests-build-capitol-hill-ahead-brett-kavanaugh-vote-n917351

    Insurrectionary rioters assault the doors of the Supreme Court in failed attempt to kidnap and murder Guardians of Democracy™

    [or something like that — the corporate narrative promoters didn’t seem to be quite as overwrought in their rhetoric when it came to that episode. But at least all of those master criminals in 2017 were tracked down by the FBI, arrested, and held without bail in solitary confinement for months pending their trials for seditious, terroristic treason… right?]

    And it’s perfectly understandable that Mr. Barnett has been held without bail for many months for the unimaginably horrific crimes of “terroristic sitting with insurrectionary intent” and “violating the civil rights of Her Holy Chair.” I mean, this master criminal received exactly the same penalty for his very similar insurrectionary invasion a few years ago… right?

    https://bongino.com/joe-biden-once-said-he-was-arrested-at-capitol-for-trespassing-sitting-in-senate-officers-chair

    These people, of course, were merely “peaceful protesters,” filled with respect for the norms of civil society:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trump+inauguration+riots&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images

    Which is why they suffered no legal consequences for their, uh, peaceful protests.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/prosecutors-drop-all-trump-inauguration-rioting-cases

    And were even paid millions of taxpayer shekels for their inconvenience:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/dc-settles-trump-inauguration-day-protest-lawsuits-for-dollar16m/ar-BB1g6UCB

    After all, only a cynic would suggest that, if the corporate narrative promotion agencies and the (((National Lawyers Guild))) support you, you can commit violent crimes with impunity… right?

    https://www.nlg.org/legal-support-for-anti-fascist-action/

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