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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

The Hunt for the Great White Male
by Steve Sailer

May 22, 2019

Jared Diamond, who became a famous public intellectual when his 1997 best-seller Guns, Germs, and Steel was widely proclaimed to have refuted The Bell Curve by arguing that the variation in achievement among races today is a cultural side effect of ancient differences in agricultural potential among the continents, is now under fire for himself being white.

The Boston-born Diamond, who wears his beard in that peculiar Amish look of Captain Ahab in Moby-Dick (Harvard political scientist Robert D. Putnam, whom Diamond cites admiringly, is another Ahab-bearded academic), is now himself the subject of the ongoing hunt for the Great White Male.

In a New York Times review of Diamond’s latest tome, Upheaval: Turning Points for Nations in Crisis, critic Anand Giridharadas angrily denounces Diamond’s lack of diversity. The South Asian reviewer implies that Diamond is part of a back-scratching coterie with Steven Pinker and Yuval Noah Harari, who, by blurbing each other’s airport bookstore best-sellers, conspire to keep “women and people of color” from getting “an opening to publish a book with a serious publisher.”

I began to wonder why we give some people, and only some, the platform, and burden, to theorize about everything.

The “some people” who arouse Giridharadas’ ire are Jewish moderates (Upheaval is one of the few books published in 2019 that doesn’t include a ritual denunciation of Donald Trump) of a scientific and Darwinian bent.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Airport bookstore. Ahh, that takes me back.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    , @J.Ross
    , @MBlanc46
  2. Imagine immigrating to “their” part of the world and discovering that the fashion was to denigrate them in any and every way possible, while seeking to elevate yourself and fellow immigrants in any way you saw fit. You’d have trouble believing it. You’d wonder what sort of suicidal psychosis had infected them.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Forbes
  3. Well, what would Anand Giridharadas write? “Mother-in-Laws:British Imperialism’s Most Toxic Legacy To South Asia”, maybe?

  4. SkipJack says:

    Hindus have suddenly become the torch bearers for the Jewish project of cultural Marxism in the US. Perhaps being extroverted and loquacious helps getting the point across that much more better.

    Someone should remind Anand about the lack of diversity in the Indian parliament. Almost 95% of them are brown Hindus. Thats not diverse at all. Doesn’t even reflect the various faiths the country has (15% Muslim and 3% Christian).

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    , @Jake
  5. You have been very kind to him, and I can understand that, because one can learn from him, even though he is not trustworthy on major issues. His contention that the people of Papua New Guinea were the brightest people on earth was absurd, and he knew it, but it allowed him to spin a web of geographic determinism and to attack the notion of heritable differences between groups. It also allowed him to forget, or obscure, that his early work was on testicular size, an evolutionary effect, which is the sort of thing that gets other people in trouble. He shows very clearly, on the available data in 1986 that there are racial differences in testicular size, a possible source of behavioural differences.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/320488a0.pdf

  6. jon says:

    The South Asian reviewer implies that Diamond is part of a back-scratching coterie with Steven Pinker and Yuval Noah Harari, who, by blurbing each other’s airport bookstore best-sellers, conspire to keep “women and people of color” from getting “an opening to publish a book with a serious publisher.”

    Like I always say, ‘white privilege’ is really just an anti-semitic dog whistle these days.

    • Agree: Travis
  7. Man, these immigrants are ungrateful bastards.

    Is this like when the Persian empire went from the Achaemenid Empire to the Seleucid Empire to the Parthian Empire to the Sassanian Empire?

    • Replies: @bomag
  8. @SkipJack

    We forget that India was known as a place full of hucksters and violent thugs by the British. Robbers roamed the streets and countryside, and all those snake charmers and nail-bed-sitters were basically side-show attractions to distract you while someone picked your pocket.

    • Agree: bomag
  9. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    In a New York Times review of Diamond’s latest tome, Upheaval: Turning Points for Nations in Crisis, critic Anand Giridharadas angrily denounces Diamond’s lack of diversity. The South Asian reviewer implies that Diamond is part of a back-scratching coterie with Steven Pinker and Yuval Noah Harari, who, by blurbing each other’s airport bookstore best-sellers, conspire to keep “women and people of color” from getting “an opening to publish a book with a serious publisher.

    It may be instructive to look Anand Giridharadas’s family background, just as Jared Diamond’s background is examined in that Taki’s article by Steve.

    Anand Giridharadas was born in wealthy Shaker Heights, Ohio and went to the University of Michigan.

    His father, Radhashyam Giridharadas, was one of those high talent South Asian immigrants of the 1970s, a chemical engineer who arrived as a student to get his MBA at Harvard Business School and went on to become a partner at management consulting firm McKinsey, here in America.

    Anand, the son, by contrast, began his working life as a McKinsey employee in faraway Bombay. It is reasonable to speculate that his daddy got him the job, safely far away from his own in America. Giridharadas, although a well-regarded New York Times reporter who writes well, clearly has higher intellectual ambitions. He was enrolled as a doctoral candidate at Harvard in 2010, but appears not to have completed.

    I wonder how much of Anand Giridharadas’ review is driven by simple intellectual envy of a person such as Jared Diamond, and how much he still strives to live up to the high standard of personal achievement that his father must have surely set, simply by example of his own career.

  10. SFG says:
    @James Thompson

    He’s very good on the ‘environment’ half of the equation for human variation, which really does matter. For the ‘genetics’, you have to read unz.com.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    , @ic1000
  11. wo_fat says: • Website

    the part of postwar Finlamd genuflecting to their oppressor’s ways is interesting since post-war Japan did the same. In that paragraph, one could even substitute “Soviet” for “American”. Hm.

    But anyway, go to any otherslice of mother Gia, to continents that are east-west or north-south oriented, and the people will do the same….

  12. Ibound1 says:

    Diamond is interesting, even when you disagree with him, and Mr. Giridharadas is a scold. But today that means something else: Jews or Whites (not sure which) are hogging up the ability to be interesting. That cannot stand!

    • Replies: @Lugash
    , @tr
  13. Why no mention of the fact that his famous work is a tissue of completely unsubstantiated and incorrect, as well as just prima facie absurd (buffaloes are harder to domesticate than aurochs) claims?

    • Agree: Tusk
  14. Hindus have suddenly become the torch bearers for the Jewish project of cultural Marxism in the US

    It’s weird, and even though they’ve been steadily increasing in number for a few decades, it seems like just in the past five or so years, they’re (roughly 75%/25%, D vs. R.) flying their lefty flags loud and proud.

    I can see (tho not agree with) importing numbers of low-wage serfs to write code, but why do we need to import soft-science and liberal arts types? Or maybe this crop are the children of the first real wave of the 70s and 80s, and they’re just picking up on the leftist views of their parents, who mostly seem (at least from I remember about it) kept quiet about their politics.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  15. @SFG

    He is terrible on the environment side.

    For instance, claiming that Zebras are harder to domesticate than horse predecessors when there is no evidence for this and horses can be tamed. Or that buffalo couldn’t have been domesticated when aurochs (the ancestors of modern cattle) were, despite being described by Caesar as incredibly dangerous and aggressive.

    The evidence about crop yields also contradicts his claims.

    The fact that he cites no evidence for any of these claims about what can or cannot be cultivated or domesticated and no data can be found to support it indicates that he just made it up.

  16. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @HammerJack

    They used to call that particular suicidal psychosis ‘colonialism’, which is another one of those things that is bad when it happens to POCs, but good when it happens to Wipipo,

  17. Jewish contrarian is no longer intersectional enough? It has begun 😀

    (I do think Diamond has some good ideas – as opposed to Gould who, as a paleontologist, has no excuse – and is eminently readable)

  18. neutral says:

    Doesn’t Anand Giridharadas nation belong to the much vaunted Eurasian east-west connection that Diamond uses to explain why Africa and the Americas could not develop advanced civilizations. That being the case he should not complain because he belongs to the privileged.

  19. Dtbb says:

    I saw an interview with him on Amanpour & Co. He seemed to me to be a smug elitist and she slobbered all over him.

  20. Hans says:

    Clearly cub reporter Giridharadas will have to be taught the distinction between “white privilege” and “jewish suffering.” Let’s pray, for diversity’s sake, that he survives his education.

  21. @James Thompson

    My impression has been that Diamond denied genetic differences out of political caution or distaste but that his geographical determinism nonetheless was worthy of serious consideration. Thomas Sowell, similarly, has attributed Africa’s backwardness to its lack of navigable rivers, among other causes. These are not all-or-nothing questions.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  22. Zoodles says:
    @Anonymous

    High caste South Asians are very ambitious and highly sensitive to social status. They know how the bread is buttered.

    • Replies: @Thea
    , @Desiderius
  23. Ya right, this guy and Charles Murray, his scholarly & low-key nemesis, have all of the inborn advantages in selling books. Many book-selling women capitalize on their looks. Women parlay the built-in social expectation that women will use their appearance to their advantage (when possible) to sell books, films, music and an assortment of other things.

    Like the womb privilege that lets many discriminatory women hold onto mom-dominated jobs while being absentee-cubed and non-quota-meeting, appearance-based advertising privilege is one of the many old-school privileges that fake feminists have no intention of letting go of in the service of equalizing society. Women likewise will not give up righteous indignation over the opportunity to sell things by using their appearance, but you will never hear them rant about how unfair it is that males can’t dress up like Chippendale dancers in the service of selling books.

    The world is unfair—so unfair.

    • Agree: jim jones
  24. ic1000 says:
    @SFG

    > Diamond’s very good on the ‘environment’ half of the equation for human variation, which really does matter.

    Yes. Guns, Germs, and Steel is a wonderful book, if and only if you already know which themes to discount. Diamond is reliable on geography, agriculture, epidemiology, and the influence of technology on history. When it comes to humans and evolution, GGS’ Blank Slatism was clumsy and extreme enough to make me wonder what he really thought.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  25. dearieme says:

    he’s not naturally as forceful of a stylist as is, say, historian Paul Johnson. Diamond … struck me as verbose.

    Oh be fair: he’s American.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  26. slumber_j says:

    From that link to the old Uncouth Reflections post, this got me thinking:

    How is that a few people who become parents continue to be fun and interesting nonetheless? Surely there’s a book in that topic.

    Well, in the latter-day rich urban middle-aged coastal reality I sometimes inhabit, you run across a lot of people trying real, real hard in that department…and failing.

    I’m reminded of our fellow parents a decade ago or so with their Ramones-tee-shirted toddlers, or my wife’s friends in Pacific Palisades whom we visited maybe five years ago (he a very successful TV writer; she some sort of think-tank type, but not as smart as she supposes) with the vinyl LPs and old record-players studiedly scattered around their beautifully redone house–or any number of other people, all busy boring the hell out of me. So it’s not the effort that counts.

    The correct answer may have to do with retaining a proper sense of proportion about being a parent in the first place. You don’t have to come down with what Paleo Retiree in that post calls “the Worthies.” The kids aren’t gonna raise themselves, true; but then again, supplying the basic needs, plus your mere actually loving presence counts for about 98% of what’s important for children–at least in my experience.

    Apart from that, you can just go on being yourself more or less. If you were boring before, you’ll be boring still–and you’ll probably have boring children. But I’m not sure there’s much anyone can do about that.

  27. The anti-HBD ideologues admired Jared Diamond for the central conceit of his book “Guns, Germs and Steel” which argued that environmental differences not genetic differences explain regional differences in economic development. In truth, Diamond was never acrtually a true believer in the anti-HBD gospel, and admitted that cognitive differences are possible, perhaps even likely, across ancestral lines.

    In that book he even argues, very briefly, that Polynesians are perhaps more genetically intelligent than Europeans due to the evolutionary challenges in their difficult environment. In making this odd speculative claim, he implicitly accepts that one should not accept anit-HBD blank slateism as gospel truth that cannot be challenged by scientific inquiry. Once you are open to examining the data in this way, the truth of HBD eventually comes out. So there is little surprise in his getting the light-touch version of Watsonned.

  28. Anon[520] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    David Coleman wrote a column of advice for college students, after they get in. Pretty cliche advice, and probably of minimal use to adversity accostees.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/david-coleman-stop-college-admissions-madness/589918/

  29. Anon7 says:
    @HammerJack

    You can see why this guy Giridharadas wants to crack the airport bookstore market – it’s one of the few places in the world where people are both affluent enough and desperate enough to pay full retail price for a book.

  30. explanation of why the soil of the Upper Midwest is so fertile

    Limestone based bedrock along with somewhat arid grassland is mainly what makes the soils of Illinois and Iowa fertile. In rainy areas, such as rainforests, the heavy rains leach nutrients from the soil. In areas where granite, or some similar material, is the bedrock, the soil is very acid. In my area of Illinois, there is what is known as the Glasford Formation, which is made up of material left behind at the edge of the glaciers of the Illinoian Glacial Maximum of 130000 years ago. This formation is more hilly and the soil is different due to having only glacial till and erratics as the underlying layer instead of the more common limestone bedrock of the area. The farmers in the area call it “timber soil,” as opposed to the lower grassland soil which is way more fertile and commands a much higher price per acre.

    • Replies: @ic1000
  31. bomag says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Is this like when the Persian empire went from the Achaemenid Empire to the Seleucid Empire to the Parthian Empire to the Sassanian Empire?

    I understand that these were mostly different people occupying the Palace; our current changers are anxious for population replacement.

  32. At first we thought this would be about engagement rings, but it is really about successful crypsis.

  33. @James Thompson

    Whites got the right amount of brains and balls to get in the boats and take control of the world.

    Asians got the brains, but they don’t got the balls.

    Blacks have the balls, but they don’t have the brains.

    Evil White Scum are using mass legal immigration and illegal immigration to inundate European Christian nations with Blacks, Asians and other non-Europeans.

    Jew Nationalists such as US Senator Charles Schumer are using mass legal immigration and illegal immigration as demographic weapons to attack and destroy European Christian nations.

    Jared Diamond and Robert Putnam are anti-White corporate propaganda whores with neck beards who push multicultural mayhem and anti-White mass legal immigration and illegal immigration.

    Robert Putnam is an example of a WASP member of the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire.

    Jared Diamond is an example of a JEW member of the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire.

    If those damn neck beards of Putnam and Diamond make them think they look like Gregory Peck they are mistaken. Just another thing Jared Diamond and Robert Putnam are wrong about.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  34. songbird says:

    he even dared suggest that the DR dictator Trujillo’s policy of welcoming white immigrants contributes to it being less dystopian than Haiti.

    How many really stayed? Trujillo offered like 100,000 visas to Jews, but not too many came, and those that did come, mostly moved on. The rest would be an interesting study certainly though. I believe it was Trujillo’s intention that they would race mix, to increase the whiteness of the natives.

  35. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Thompson

    As John Lydon once famously put it, “Never Mind the Bollocks”.

  36. Diamond is presumably immunized against the danger of being called badthinkful by being an environmentalist on all racial differences, except for the differences he perceives between New Guineans and Europeans (and thus by the transitive property, all other non-New Guineans), in which he is an unabashed New New Guinean racial supremacist.

    To be more serious, Diamond is a gatekeeper, like Jordan Peterson except actually clever. He exists to keep the Noticers from going down the “wrong” paths. So while Woke WOCs might rage against him, his career is safe, at least until the Great Replacement has reached its final stage.

  37. Anon7 says:

    Here’s a brief conversation between Jared Diamond and Bill Gates about the Upheaval book. If you can stand listening to two white men talking.

    You might be amused to skip ahab – ahead, rather – to 2’00’ and listen to Jared explain the hope for Western Civilization. It turns out that the children of New Guinea have the answer.

    As it happens, when I was five years old in 1960, my friends and I playing in the park three blocks from my house also had the answer. But it’s more PC to go to New Guinea than go back in time.

  38. Magyar says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    The part about which species of elephant Hannibal used is crying out for elucidation (no snark).

    Would you do a blog post on that for us?

    The Roman-history-HBD-natural-history nerds among your readers (like me) would be forever grateful.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  39. @jon

    Indians are simply calling out Jews.

    For several generations, Jews have been allowed to be either Jewish or white when it suited them. They were allowed to be tribal while demanding that whites never think tribally. It was ridiculous, but that was game. It was a good gig for Jews, and they got used to it.

    Well, now, other tribal groups are pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. They aren’t accepting Jews as one of them like stupid gentile whites did. They are pointing them out as another tribe – either Jewish or white – and noticing that their slice of the pie is way too big.

    Jews wanted a multi-tribal society to reduce the power of whites which, in turn, would reduce the chances of another Jewish holocaust from 1 in 100 million to 1 in a billion. Well, they got it. But it means that they no longer get to be the only tribal group in town.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
    • Replies: @Jon
    , @BigDickNick
  40. Anon[111] • Disclaimer says:

    I am used with father’s talent in medicine being considered as transmissible to sons. In contrast, few women doctors seem to exhibit this sort of nepotism-like “genetics”.

    I can tolerate a shit physiologist turning into a shit ecologist, and writing literature books in order to cover his scientific impotence.

    But I am new to the concept that a husband becomes adept at his wife’s job, especially in highly specialized domains such as clinical psychology. Nevertheless, Diamond nailed that one as well.

    I know that he is old, but I wonder what are the chances that his wife pre-deceases him, and he marries a neurosurgeon. We could have a great, accessible, paperback neurosurgery treaty. Perfect wisdom, at only 10 dollars.

    In other words, the only thing Diamond has more than a random bn is bullshitting skills. Per Mr. Sailer, “quantitative skills are not among his talents”. I wouldn’t be upset if he was replaced by Buttigieg, or another “talented Indonesian speaker”.

    Also, the idea that Louis Diamond smells of Harvard PR. To imagine that, until 1930, no one else looked at baby blood is beyond naive.

    Harvard PR is very careful with Wikipedia. Lots of random Harvard profs, who never did anything in science, got entries in Wikipedia, even if they look like placeholders. The wikipedia page on Louis Diamond is worse. It claims Diamond Sr. discovered thalassemia. Surprisingly, though, thalassemia is known as Cooley anemia. Any guesses why?

    What if I added Cooley was 30 years older than Diamond, and published his paper on thalassemia in 1925, before Diamond Sr. graduated from Harvard Med? What if I add that Cooley was a White Christian, who studied pediatrics at Boston City Hospital (not afiliated with Harvard), and in Germany, then worked in Michigan and Detroit?

    (((They))) are coming after your ancestors, and you are worried about (((them))). How will (((they))) cope in the conflict with bn?

  41. El Dato says:

    Meanwhile in Swethiopia:

    https://www.rt.com/news/459997-sweden-rune-ban-nazis/

    The Swedish government is looking into the possibility of forbidding the use of Norse runes, local media has reported, amid concerns that the ancient symbols have been misappropriated by neo-Nazi groups.

    Justice Minister Morgan Johansson is currently investigating whether or not runes should be banned in Sweden as a way to deter hate groups, a Swedish website Samhällsnytt reported. His is expected to make a recommendation on the matter by the end of May.

    What would Jules Verne say!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  42. Diamond’s famous contention that there is something about the African elephant that made them impossible to use in warfare

    I’m not familiar with this contention of Diamond’s, but (notwithstanding Hannibal) wouldn’t that be a point in favor the hereditary differences that Diamond labors to obviate elsewhere?

    Ever since, Diamond has been popular with tech billionaires and the like, who enjoy Diamond’s scientific arguments for the politically correct position they need to believe in for their own safety, far more interesting than the derisible Theory offered by postmodernist academics.

    Too true. And even farther down the corporate wealth scale I’ve encountered plenty of ambitious vice-president-types who can’t shut up about various Diamond-esque themes. Diamondism is like the Masonic handshake of the Current Year.

    Diamond identifies “a strong national identity” as a shared advantage possessed by both nations, with their unique languages and relative ethnic homogeneity. Diamond is impressed by the we’re-all-in-this-together patriotism of Finns and Japanese. As one of the last American intellectuals who can remember Pearl Harbor 78 years ago, he fears that contemporary Americans are losing the national solidarity of the mid–20th century.

    They are. By design.

    Interesting contrast with the #1 Svigor/Westcott comment on the previous post.

    Diamond pauses the political narratives to offer a Guns, Germs, and Steel-style explanation of why the soil of the Upper Midwest is so fertile:

    Ice Age glaciers…repeatedly advanced and retreated over the landscape, grinding rocks and generating or exposing fresh soils. …

    Because of North America’s tapering wedge shape, large volumes of ice forming in the broad expanse at high latitudes were funneled into a narrow band and became heavier glaciers as they advanced toward the lower latitudes.

    This is the kind of simplistic thing that non-farmers say all the time. If glacier grinding were the key to fertile soil, Nunavut and the taiga would bloom, yet they don’t. It could perhaps be argued that the glaciers scraped topsoil from northern latitudes down to middle latitudes, but real soil fertility depends on organic matter. The midwest and Great Plains had millennia of grasslands, large herd droppings, and perhaps Indian burnings to enrich the earth. (Nothing a few decades of mismanagement can’t ruin though.) As for North America’s tapering shape causing some “funnel” effect, I’m pretty sure nothing stops glaciers from falling off the sides into the ocean. In fact, I’m pretty sure that still happens in e.g. Greenland and Alaska.

    “There are about a billion Africans in Africa and almost all of them would be better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety in Europe,”

    Diamond’s presupposition to this grand theme may not be true. As I and others here have noted before, prior to the [anti]”civil rights” movement, pretty much every black social indicator—crime rates, drug use, family integrity, rate of material improvement, etc—was better than it was afterwards. The [anti]civil rights movement has been a disaster for everyone, black and white, except a few race hustlers and nation wreckers. We already know that bringing masses of Africans to Europe will be terrible for Europe, but there is no evidence that it will be good for Africans either.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    , @James N. Kennett
  43. Andy says:

    I wasn’t thinking of buying the book (I liked Guns…but didn’t thought much of his following books) but the meanspirited NYT review by a POC who resents Diamond for being an unwoke white…makes me want to buy it right now

  44. Lugash says:
    @Ibound1

    Anand should have his picture in the dictionary next to ‘try-hard haircut’.

  45. Another of Diamond’s weakness is Western Hemispheric fauna. One of his Big Ideas was that non Eurasian landmasses didn’t have easily-domesticated animals (key part of “the package”). Bison? Turkeys? Llamas? Hello?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @AnotherDad
  46. As I and others here have noted before, prior to the [anti]”civil rights” movement, pretty much every black social indicator—crime rates, drug use, family integrity, rate of material improvement, etc—was better than it was afterwards.

    True, but I took Mr. Sailer’s excerpt of Mr. Diamond’s take as saying they will be better off in Europe than Africa. As we all, including Jared Diamond, know, that’d be true for the Africans (though still miserable for the Europeans) if they somehow stayed at 5% of the population. Well, then we’d need 20 Billion white Europeans, by which time the place would be miserable for obvious other reasons.

    I agree with you on your take on the tall-grass prairie, A.M. You can have any size particles, gravel, sand, silt and down to clay (the worst, IMO!), but without organic matter, you can’t grow much to eat. That tall-grass prairie with thousands of years of time for decay, along with fires set by nature too, I imagine, gets you that 2-foot thick dark brown soil, in which you can just throw seeds down and get food.

  47. @James Thompson

    a web of geographic determinism

    When I studied geography 35 years ago, determinism was very much out of fashion in academic geography. It would get you mocked. This is ironic, because the founder of formal geographic studies in America, Ellen Churchill Semple, brought the discipline over from Germany, along with a hardcore Teutonic determinism. She’s held in high esteem to this day, like Ptolemy, someone who was damned smart despite being damned wrong. An American Mackinder.

    She was also a living refutation of geographical determinism, at least microgeographical. In Germany, she had to attend lectures standing outside in the corridor. Rather than holding her back, it made her more determined.

    Diamond’s father studied under a contemporary of hers, Florence Sabin, at the Rockefeller Institute. Her school experience was the opposite of Prof Semple’s– one of fourteen women in her class, the fourth after founding, at John’s Hopkins medical school. She later taught anatomy there.

    She was a miner’s daughter, like Clementine, of Huguenot descent. So no relation to the other Sabin famous for combating disease– she tuberculosis, he polio. She was the first, and for many years only, woman elected to the National Academy of Sciences.

  48. @Anonymous

    Some of his nitpicks were hilarious. He seems to think that it’s a huge gotcha that Diamond says Australian rules football is only played in Oz, when, apparently, it is also played in Nauru and by amateur Aussie expats elsewhere.

    He would have had a more legitimate point if he noted that Aussie rules and GAA football (big in Ireland) are pretty much the same thing

  49. Jake says:
    @SkipJack

    Hindus serve that role (in a general sense, because few are or support Marxism) easily and well because of their 200 years serving the British Empire.

  50. Anon[266] • Disclaimer says:

    Screw Diamond. You only realize how much damage he did if you have a background in Anthropology. The guy spewed a massive amount of SJW misinformation.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  51. @Jeff Burton

    This reminds me of Thomas Sowell’s explanation that the lack of navigable rivers held Africa back. This makes sense. But then you cross the ocean, and all the civilizations in the Americas are in the mountains, far from any big river.

    The folks along the Mississippi, Amazon, and Plate didn’t make the most of their bounty. Cahokia appears to be their apex.The

    (Our Kindle just “corrected” Cahokia to vanilla. Besos should be deplatformed for that. Deplatformed itself is edited to reaffirmed.)

    • LOL: fish
  52. Jake says:
    @James Thompson

    That made me laugh because it reminded me of something I hadn’t recalled in a very long time. When I was a boy, a friend had a grandfather who still lived on a farm. He told us once when my friend and I were on the farm that he’d decided at least for goats that testicle size was very important to behavior. He pointed to a billy that had a sac that almost hit the ground and said that a life on the farm told him that when a line of goats had very large testicles that the billys could be counted on to be badly behaved, to tear up things over and over, to fight for no reason, to bully certain nannies, and then to be little better than show when something threatening appeared. Billys from lines with smaller testicles, the grandfather said, tended to be the exact opposite – well behaved for goats and ready to defend nannies and kids.

    We had a good laugh about the crazy old man.

  53. This new cartoon of Bari Weiss is a snapshot of this political moment. We can see the ideas discussed on this site are intruding into their circle of acceptable collective reality and that Bari Weiss is being scolded for having let them in.

    Under the rules developed in the last century, you’re only real when the NYT says you’re real. A tiny set of respectable people were thus bonded and certified to join the charmed circle that summons and feeds the egregore they call the Narrative. Bari Weiss went and signed for the “Intellectual Dark Web” and now, according to some, its ideas are poisoning the Narrative. The cartoonist obviously belongs to the faction that sees this as unforgivable. For others in the circle, this sort of thing must be done from time to time, if the Narrative is to effectively create the official version of reality.

    They hope the technique of “embrace, extend, and extinguish” will absorb and smother all this stuff that has sprung up in the last few years. At the same moment, Giridharadas is doing his part for the Narrative by trying to expel Jared Diamond from the circle. To hell with the lot of them.

  54. Lurker says:

    a back-scratching coterie

    The very (((idea)))!

  55. @Reg Cæsar

    Tom Leher Clementine

    I discovered this when on first read I interpreted your comment to say “Clementine was a Huguenot”, and went off to google. 🙂

  56. Bill Gates is a fan of Jared Diamond:
    https://www.gatesnotes.com/Books/Upheaval?WT.mc_id=05_20_2019_10_SummerBooks2019_MED-media_&WT.tsrc=MEDmedia

    Ironically, this Anand Giridharadas guy was probably brought in by someone who was brought in by Bill Gates as an H1B slave to work on his tech plantation.

  57. @ic1000

    My take as well ic100–stated much better than i could.

    Steve’s always had a much more negative take on Guns, Germs, Steel than i’ve had. It’s been a long time, but while i remember some really ridiculous liberal pablum in the back half of the book, i thought his geography of agriculture (various ag “packages”) and disease take was pretty reasonable, and a pretty reasonable case for differential development.

    What Diamond doesn’t do, of course, say the next thing: selection will drive populations toward the particular traits that are most useful–“fitness”–in these widely varying geographic/agricultural environments. But, of course, that’s evolutionary biology 101, which Diamond is certainly aware of. And then on top of that you get feedback as humans build new stuff–civilization, armies, metal, ships, money, written language … the Internet–further changing their own selective environment.

    If you mentally chop all the Jewish liberal pablum–basically all extraneous and just tacked on–from the book (which i guess i was mentally doing), then i thought it made a reasonable case for why these various regions, with the various races ended up on their separate evolutionary paths.

    • Agree: Peter Johnson
  58. Putnam is a Boston Brahmin name, so I looked him up. Turns out he was raised Methodist but converted to Judaism as an adult.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  59. Got some good Steve Bait:

    In Cambridge, MA, Honors Classes for Everyone

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/05/20/cambridge-honors-classes-for-everyone/nr5rIIZBGvlp18E4KZFZEL/story.html

    Literally ending gifted education for equality’s sake.

    ” Honors classes in those subjects are now the only option for ninth- and tenth-graders, including those with learning disabilities.”

  60. @Jeff Burton

    Another of Diamond’s weakness is Western Hemispheric fauna. One of his Big Ideas was that non Eurasian landmasses didn’t have easily-domesticated animals (key part of “the package”). Bison? Turkeys? Llamas? Hello?

    I don’t remember his verbiage, but i think Diamond’s roughly on point here.

    It’s not binary, but the Eastern Hemisphere palette was simply better. People domesticated goats, sheep, pigs, cattle, horses. People did domesticate the llama in the Andes, but–again a Diamond point about the N-S axis of the Americas–it did not spread across the Panama bottleneck.

    In critiquing the Native Americans, it’s important to remember that they showed up as hunter gatherers–in a ripe land for hunter-gatherering–15,000 years ago. They were inherently “behind” just in terms of population pressure, and then once they filled the joint up–killing a lot the megafauna–they had fewer/inferior domestication opportunities. We white folks should remember the Europeans didn’t domesticate much of anything either. Agriculture came in from the middle east with our EEF ancestors.

    My take is the Americas are 3000-5000 years behind. Eventually they would have domesticated some bison and that would have eventually been combined with maize for an improved crop package … and they would be off to the races.

    If the Americas had been discovered centuries later and left as a “bio-reserve”, a few thousand years from now the Iowa Empire might have been ruling the joint like ancient Rome.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Travis
    , @J.Ross
  61. Forbes says:
    @HammerJack

    Giridharadas has readily adopted the style of the Ugly-American tourist who complains about what’s wrong or inconvenient about their host country. Apparently, it’s a universal trait not confined to Americans traveling overseas…

  62. People read this guy’s crap?

  63. Bill P says:

    A major part of striver minorities’ anti-white animus is actually directed against Jews. I’m not sure whether Jews are fooling themselves about this or not, but it’s pretty clear who the Linda Sarsours and Rashida Tlaib’s really hate, not to mention a great many subcontinentals.

    I’ve had Asiatics (and a couple Swedes) tell me to my face that white Christians are just contemptible tools of the Jews. Clearly these people didn’t take us seriously as competition for the top tier of society.

    I happen to think they are wrong, because they base their appraisal on things like airport books, television talking heads and Hollywood rather than the more fundamental parts of the United States, but the impression is very common. Not long ago even a Sikh started asking me about “the Jews,” entirely out of the blue. I wonder what’s going on in his gurdwara!

    My guess is that those who are not Christian are going to be especially susceptible to this kind of thinking, and the more non-Christians imported into the US the worse things will eventually be for Jews. That’s certainly been the case in Europe. Come to think of it, I can’t recall one non-Christian society in which Jews have ever reached influence comparable to what they achieved in Christian societies over the last 2,000 years. Even in Al-Andalus they were considered of lower social status that the Mozarabic Christians.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  64. PaceLaw says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Interesting observation. Reminds me of an underrated movie from the 80’s called “The Deceivers.” It starred Pierce Brosnan as a British officer in 1820’s India who takes down an Indian thuggee gang. I’m sure the “South Asian” community would not let such a movie be released today.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @PiltdownMan
  65. Variation in “achievement” (whatever that is) is caused by disease.

  66. Yak-15 says:
    @Almost Missouri

    “Diamond’s presupposition to this grand theme may not be true. As I and others here have noted before, prior to the [anti]”civil rights” movement, pretty much every black social indicator—crime rates, drug use, family integrity, rate of material improvement, etc—was better than it was afterwards. The [anti]civil rights movement has been a disaster for everyone, black and white, except a few race hustlers and nation wreckers. We already know that bringing masses of Africans to Europe will be terrible for Europe, but there is no evidence that it will be good for Africans either.”

    Can you elaborate upon these ideas with data and scientific analysis?

  67. J1234 says:
    @James Thompson

    You have been very kind to him, and I can understand that, because one can learn from him, even though he is not trustworthy on major issues.

    There are things that I like about Steve Sailer and a few things I don’t. One of the things I don’t like is that he frequently ascribes a sort of read-between-the-lines courage to admittedly gifted academics and authors from the mainstream. He asserts that they feel one way but have to write or lecture another way…in order to save their careers. I would assert that’s not courage at all. It’s an interesting position for Steve to take, given the bravery he’s demonstrated in his own career and life.

    • Replies: @Dieter kief
    , @Desiderius
  68. @R.G. Camara

    What’s happening is all the high caste, smart, ambitious Indians are getting themselves to the Western nations to get away from all that. They are starting colonies in the US, UK, and Canada to see what an Indian society could be like absent all the poor, stupid Indians left behind. They think it’s going to be great.

    That, at least, is my takeaway from a conversation with an Indian the other day. He was born in India, raised in the US, and is now re-settled in India as a Christian missionary. He says it’s a status booster to have traveled in, or have relatives in, or to be aiming to move to the West. Indians go to medical school for years just to have a career in the West. Doesn’t India need its doctors? Nope, there’s more than enough to go around. All their studying and moving to the cities and getting trained in tech is just a move to get to the US or UK. All that Hindu pride we hear about is just posturing as they make their ways to the diaspora.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @BB753
    , @J.Ross
  69. Corvinus says:

    “In particular, Diamond’s famous contention that there is something about the African elephant that made them impossible to use in warfare (what war elephants have to do with The Bell Curve is a long story) has proved endlessly fascinating to the male mind. I don’t know how many dozen times since then I’ve gotten into discussions of which exact species of elephant Hannibal took on his march through the Alps to invade Italy.”

    Well, there is considerable debate as far as what specific path Hannibal traversed.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/apr/03/where-muck-hannibals-elephants-alps-italy-bill-mahaney-york-university-toronto

    “While not exactly refuting The Bell Curve (Diamond has many talents, but quantitative skills are not among them), it at least brought up the kind of ideas that guys like to argue about.”

    Code for Diamond’s work really put a significant dent into the positions taken by The Bell Curve. Furthermore, according to Who/Whom are Diamond’s quantitative skills lacking? There isn’t any particular insight here.

    “If you read page 414 very carefully, you’ll notice that Diamond points out that immigration from the Third World to the First World worsens environmental problems such as carbon emissions and overconsumption of resources. But I doubt if many will notice anything amiss.”

    I suppose other people will also fail to NOTICE that colonization of the Third World by the First World also caused those two significant problems.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  70. Stick says:

    What caste does this mugwump belong to?

  71. Clyde says:
    @James Thompson

    Just want to say to James Thompson… many thanks for your bravery. Coming from me in America. It is tough to soldier on after your many decades, but isn’t it better to be winning on some level. Or to go down swinging. Perhaps a mix of the two. And proclaiming what is really true. Why not!

  72. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    “Screw Diamond. You only realize how much damage he did if you have a background in Anthropology. The guy spewed a massive amount of SJW misinformation.”

    So his Pulitzer was essentialyl a sham, huh. So, since you are making this charge, I’m sure that you have specific examples, right?

  73. Clyde says:
    @stillCARealist

    Informative testimony! Personal anecdotes can say a lot about the mass thinking on the other side. As in the so called immigration invaders. The Hindus here, in this case.

    Now re-reading your post. The invasive Hindus want to leave all the lo-IQ Indian poor behind and get a re-do in the West. US, Canada, Germany etc. The West WHERE they don’t have to step past, step over the Indian beggars and destitute. Calcutta style.

  74. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Thompson

    Yes, Diamond is intellectually dishonest at best, and an outright liar at worst. Moreover, the critic here is not wrong in suggesting that ethnic nepotism operates to promote mediocrities in the media and publishing. It’s just that he can’t identify the nepotism and mediocrities as Jewish, but rather has to frame it another way.

    For all his criticism of Jews, Steve himself has a habit of promoting Jewish mediocrities like Pinker, and seems to relish it when they aren’t identified and singled out but are rather broadly categorized as white males. He likes to post pictures of particular Jews and point to some features of their physiognomy that resemble that of gentiles to suggest that they’re just the same or can’t be distinguished. He has some sort of apprehension and anxiety about identifying and distinguishing Jews. When the real reason people are reluctant to identify them is PC.

  75. teo toon says:

    …discussions of which exact species of elephant Hannibal took on his march through the Alps to invade Italy.

    Well, don’t leave us hanging; what species did he use; or was Carthage ancient enough to have bred its own breed of elephant.

  76. @Space Ghost

    A similar story for Martha Nussbaum and Howard Dean. A WASP converting to Judaism must feel like Pinocchio did when he finally turned into a real boy.

  77. tr says: • Website
    @Ibound1

    I doubt if the ability to be interesting can be hogged. The limelight can, of course. When the interesting are purged the limelight will still be there, but it will be filled by dull grey nonentities.

    God, I’ll hate the world they will make, if they win.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
  78. @El Dato

    WWLZD?

    That’s Sandy Denny, from an obscure band called “Fairport Convention”, singing backing vocals.

    (Turn the lights down, except for the black UV one, when you listen to this one.)

  79. BB753 says:
    @stillCARealist

    And they want Whites to sink to the lowest caste possible. And Blacks off the caste system altogether.

  80. Hate to be a stickler here but we must respect the memory of Tom Wolfe. In his Bonfire of the Vanities the “great white defendant” had to be the suspect in a criminal act. The Bronx DA was frustrated that all his defendants were brown or black. Diamond here is guilty of thoughtcrime, a category already predominantly white (by design of course).

    • Replies: @Dieter kief
  81. @James Thompson

    I think he wrote a popular account of that article for maybe Discover magazine, in which a lot of the book The Third Chimpanzee was published in originally. I remember reading it, and discovering later on the web that his fans just like with his comments about New Guineans swear he never wrote it.

  82. @Cagey Beast

    “End liberal Fascism!” – This one was good for a healthy big laugh after work! – Thanks.

    (I’ve quoted the Bari Weiss article in the NYT about the IDW on lots of occasions and think, that it was quite helpful, – – no matter what the intentions were – puls: It came along with outstandingly good photographs!).

  83. @International Jew

    Agree. – A subtle, but nonetheless (hehe) correct distinction.

  84. @J1234

    Steve Sailer is a cool nosed strategist – the least bit of support counts! – And there is some support coming from Jared Diamond, every once in a while.

    Seen from a different angle: Even small pieces of support weigh heavier – – – if they come from widely accepted intellectuals.

    Another different angle is the parallel between Hungarian “Antisemitic Devil” Victor Orban and – – – Jared Diamond! I liked this one especially (and I might well quote it with – – – a. b i g .(quite Mephistophelian…) smile!!

    • Replies: @J1234
  85. ic1000 says:
    @Mike Zwick

    Thanks for the explanation of Illinois and Iowa soils, much improved over Jared Diamond’s. (Also see Almost Missouri’s comment, currently #38, for a common-sense raised eyebrow over the “tapering continent” explanation.)

    The Geology 201 discussion of Midwestern agriculture always includes a discussion of loess (Wiki). During the two most recent eras of continental glaciation (Illinoian ~300,000 years ago and Wisconsinian c. ~20,000 years ago), central North America was colder, drier, and windier than now. In particular, wind would blow south off the glacier every summer, picking up dust (“rock flour”) and carrying it for tens or hundreds of miles past the edge of the ice. The resulting deposits could be many meters in thickness. In the ensuing centuries, this silt often — but not inevitably — turned into excellent, fertile soil. (In-depth NSF-sponsored discussion of Upper-Midwest soil types here.)

    Map of loess here:
    [Edit — can’t seem to get the map to show up. Here’s another one.]

  86. “Hindus have suddenly become the torch bearers for the Jewish project of cultural Marxism in the US”

    not really. any group who hates europeans, which is…almost all of them? simply come to the US and discover that it’s the thing to attack europeans. so they pick this up quickly, with a measure of gusto in accordance to how much they hate europeans. africans really, REALLY hate europeans the most, so they’re the most vicious and open about it.

    current jewish control of the intellectual and social milieu is simply a truth revealer – you didn’t realize how much indians don’t like you, but now you’re starting to notice. jewish control enables groups to rise to their natural level of european hatred. their private feelings are encouraged to be public. european enemies now have a platform to attack them. so then you’ll find out who really hates you and who doesn’t so much.

    not as hostile – east asians, pretty much. oh, they still don’t like europeans, but they’re the least hostile. the most they’ll do is vote 80% democrat, join the krazy glue team and vote to replace the europeans as is their civic duty. but they’ll rarely take an active role.

    indians however really want to get rid of europeans, and it’s the first thing they do when they get any “hire and fire” power in a company. all the europeans go, and are replaced with indians. as you’re starting to notice, they are quite the passive aggressive political operators against america and the founding population. indian politicians and judges are showing up everywhere to attack america. an indian judge just ruled against trump this week. a nonsense ruling, but he’s part of the krazy glue team.

  87. @James Thompson

    So according to Jared Diamond

    “The testis of the Chinaman is much smaller than the Dane”

  88. Art Deco says:
    @dearieme

    You mean he wasn’t sh!tfaced when he wrote it?

    • Replies: @Anon
  89. jill says:

    All quotes:

    The National Association of Scholars is releasing its latest report: Neo-Segregation at Yale. The report is part of a much larger project titled, Separate but Equal, Again: Neo-Segregation in American Higher Education. This project studies and documents the growth of neo-segregation on American college campuses through case studies and a database of 173 colleges and universities.

    Neo-segregation is the voluntary racial segregation of students, aided by college institutions, into racially exclusive housing and common spaces, orientation and commencement ceremonies, student associations, scholarships, and classes. This case study of Yale University is part of a larger project from the National Association of Scholars, “Separate but Equal, Again: Neo-Segregation in American Higher Education.”

    The Yale report explains:

    Yale’s attempt to deal with the academic deficiencies of black students alternately by segregating them into remedial programs or mainstreaming them into programs they couldn’t handle.

    The readiness of black students to adopt race nationalist ideas and theatrics in preference to the ideals of racial integration.

    Yale’s willingness to buy temporary racial peace on campus by conceding to segregationist demands, even when this meant sacrificing academic standards and principles of equal application of rules regardless of race.

    Read the report –>

    https://www.nas.org/images/documents/NeoSegregation_at_Yale.pdf

    Download the ongoing database, chart/tables, interpretive document, and terminology

    https://www.nas.org/images/documents/For_Distribution_NeoSegregation_Database_Benchmark_and_Public_Cohorts.xlsx

  90. Jon says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Indians are simply calling out Jews.

    If she is simply calling out Jews, why is she specifically saying “white”? Because “white privilege” is just a dog whistle for Jews.

  91. After reading the NYT’s review, I think it’s fair. Jared Diamond is an arrogant douchebag. Guns, Germs and Steel was based on a majorly flawed theory that geography was the biggest determinant of human development, without at all taking into consideration that smarter tribes moved themselves to more favorable geography, then make the most of their environment.

    And of course Bill Gates would love that book because it fits in with his paternalistic attitude about Africans and Indians. That’s why he’s been throwing billions at Africa and India to help engineer a population boom in those places, because as Jared Diamond says, these people are as capable as whites in every way, they’re just unlucky geographically. So Bill’s job is to make sure they get moved to the right geography, Africans to Europe and Indians to the US, because all people are perfectly interchangeable. One left wing libtard wrecking the world based on another left wing libtard’s idiotic theory.

    Steve Jobs was right about Bill Gates. He has no real talent, just got really lucky with Microsoft. Jobs said that’s why Gates is better off running a philanthropy, only he fucked that up too and ended up screwing over Europe and the US on a mass scale.

  92. J.Ross says: • Website

    The idea that Indians (the most verbose people on Earth) are being prevented from publishing is laughable, and the only thing sillier is the idea that a handful of guys who are not in the publishing business are pulling the levers.
    ——-
    There is hope for moderates who do not want to ritually denounce Trump at the end of every sentence. Trump is finally fighting back against this illegitimate circus and a solid majority of people are tired of hearing about it. Pelosi’s statements after her fizzled stunt today are the weakest and most conciliatory yet (Pelosi and Schumer are basically adults tasked with explaining to people like AOC why they can’thave a pony). An NPR call-in show right after the Mueller report was released took calls exclusively, in the bit I heard, from people who are not necessarily in love with Trump but are absolutely tired of hearing about this nonsense. These people are unlikely to become interested in Nadler’s crusade to re-create the investigation.
    ——–
    NPR, with the help of billionaire propaganda project Guns In America, today ran a story bemoaning the “ineffectiveness” of technological aids for school safety. A RAND Corporation study found that there’s no good reason to spend money on gizmos. Schools are doing it anyway. Every school will eventually have pedo-hackable cameras everywhere. A cynical person might see a pattern there.
    There’s a precision issue. The school shootings which tech is “ineffective” against are rarer than death by lighting. When something is so incredibly rare that your best defense against it is whatever you’re already doing, how terrible is “ineffectiveness”? How would you even see “ineffectiveness”?
    The rareness of school shootings was not mentioned once in the Guns In America propaganda. Neither was political star-effer sherriffs who disregard the law, nor school safety officers who remain outside, nor race, nor gangs, nor a school’s local crime situation. But there were minutes and minutes of completely meaningless babble (“well, we just don’t know”) from people who would be perfectly intelligent in a real news story.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @PaceLaw
  93. Travis says:
    @AnotherDad

    good point. Also must point out that the population of North America was just 2 to 9 million people across the continental United States. The Bison population in 1800 was around 60 million, the pronghorns (antelope) population in the western United States was around 50 million, plus millions of deer and Elk and Turkey, Pheasant Goose, Duck and Small Fowl, rabbits and fish..

    With so much game and fish available to the Native Americans there was no need to domesticate any of the animals. Hunting was too easier and provided plenty of food for Native Americans.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  94. Anon[360] • Disclaimer says:

    Call me Ish-male

  95. @Cagey Beast

    The cartoonist depicted the deplorables as thin and Bari Weiss as fat-faced.

    Bari Weiss may be an annoying Jew, but she is not as fat-faced as drawn by the cartoonist. The cartoonist has some beef with Bari over an appearance of his cartoons, or art, at Stanford. Maybe Bari didn’t think Eli Valley, the cartoonist, could effectively run the West Coast Offense, which is required to display art at Stanford.

    Stanford got big loot pile, I say tax the Hell out of Stanford loot pile and fully fund the Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion concept. Concept art as a Viking raid on University endowments.

    Any imputation that the Irish Curse impels my attacks on university large loot pile endowments is off base.

  96. J.Ross says: • Website
    @HammerJack

    LAX had a fantastic leftist bookstore when I passed through it, it’s like a real book ahop and not a newspaper and pulp kiosk. Are nonfiction book sales, in mass market paperback form, in kiosks, really that big?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  97. Clyde says:
    @PaceLaw

    Reminds me of an underrated movie from the 80’s called “The Deceivers.” It starred Pierce Brosnan as a British officer in 1820’s India who takes down an Indian thuggee gang.

    Pierce is a definite tough guy. How do I know? He was posing a few months ago with his new $5,000 Pilates machine… joke/not joke…. I will look for this movie. It is barely visible on the internet.

  98. J.Ross says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    Rams, goats, bulls, boars, elephants, and wolves are easy to domesticate? Horses once ate humans. This is an ultimate extremity of not appreciating work. Bison could be domesticated if people saw a reason to.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    , @Don't Look at Me
  99. Clyde says:
    @Travis

    With so much game and fish available to the Native Americans there was no need to domesticate any of the animals. Hunting was too easier and provided plenty of food for Native Americans.

    Wes Studi in The Last of the Mohicans. As Magua. Best Indian warrior and hunter I ever saw in the movies. He hunted animals, he hunted people. But in the end he was killed asymmetrically by an Indian old guy. Can be seen on you tube and is one of my favorite scenes in any movie.

  100. @J.Ross

    I’ve been talking up the importance of the Frequent Flyer market for nonfiction books for a decade or so. I don’t have any stats on it, but I with the decline in reading among males, this seems like the one market left.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  101. J.Ross says: • Website
    @stillCARealist

    This, all these “refugees” want to do what they’re already doing, but with nicer stuff. There’s no self-examination. They will recreate their miseries, but in our homes, and no Western politician will pay any price for their total abdication of leadership.

  102. Read the whole thing there.

    Appreciate the link Steve, but I’ll pass. Could there be anything there we haven’t already seen a thousand times, just with different names?

  103. @Cagey Beast

    I don’t follow you.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  104. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    I guess going by informal IQ and status estimation
    –being on a plane,
    –choosing to read during that time as opposed to sleeping or watching movies,
    and
    –choosing nonfiction for reading instead of Stephen King or John Grisham
    all select for probably better people, whose opinion about a finding or trend would be valued by others.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  105. Anon[932] • Disclaimer says:

    “Call him Cis-male. I’m looking for a great white male – cuts his grass, washes his car, hates loud music, jogs across the neighborhood, wears a suit to work. Have you seen him around lately? My ancestor’s great-great-great-great-great-great granddaddy on my cousin’s sister’s mother’s side has a grievance with him.” — Thus, the greatest story ever told was written down. And the movie adaptation swept the awards shows that year. It won five Oscars, including best picture.

  106. SkipJack says:
    @R.G. Camara

    You don’t need to go to India to have the authentic upper caste boastful Hindu experience. The H1B/L1 swarm has made that available in many US cities now. If loosing your best paying middle class jobs to hostile and boastful foreigners wasnt enough, we also get to be looked down on with it. Whats not to like about this wonderful program

    The tribe loved them so much that now kushner wants to flood the US with more of them aka massively increase legal “skilled” immigration, because you know, off late the white middle class (whats left of it) has been getting too comfortable and thats just not acceptable now is it.

  107. Thea says:
    @Zoodles

    They are overplaying their hand. They do not have the numbers of Hispanics, the victim hood of blacks & Jews nor the history here of the whites. When this finally gets hashed out and some equilibrium is established, they will find they’ve picked the wrong allies.

  108. @ben tillman

    Think of all the ways the media and media consultants used to celebrate their own ability to shape the political conversation and guide policy-making. They’d talk about “spin” and how “perception is reality”. They would metaphorically get out the scrapbook and point to “iconic” images and bits of video that made or broke a politician or cause. They decided what was in bounds and what was beyond the pale. They employed techniques like “dynamic silence”* to weed out rivals.

    The media became the “high priests of a low cult”; the cult of crafting the Narrative, of defining the Overton window and of getting people to live in fear of the Narrative turning on them if they wore the wrong tie or got photographed eating something in an odd way. In my earlier comment I used the metaphor of occult spirituality to make that point.

    As for the reaction to Bari Weiss and the so-called “Intellectual Dark Web”, it’s as I described. By 2016 or so, the Narrative was no longer able to suppress alternate viewpoints. Trump, Jordan Peterson, the alt-right and others burst through. It seems to me Bari Weiss was given part of the task of babysitting the IDW and helping to housebreak it.

    * https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_silence

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  109. Olorin says:

    conspire to keep “women and people of color” from getting “an opening to publish a book with a serious publisher.”

    Are these high-MERIT people of choler admitting they are incapable of starting their own serious publishing houses?

    • Replies: @Noman
  110. BRF says:
    @ic1000

    And there’s the underground livestock and unsung heroes , earthworms!

  111. @South Texas Guy

    I think it’s simpler than that.

    Indians have always been known to be back-stabbers. They have absolutely no loyalty. They join whoever’s side they think will win.

    Arabs, Portugese, and British all knew this. Apparently we don’t.

    The shift happens because they feel that the left is gaining the upper hand on the traditional, conservative America. If they felt that right wingers were in the lead, they would be out protesting for the 2A and all that jazz. It’s just how they are.

    Indians are like shapeshifters in terms of their personalities and views and actions.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    , @PiltdownMan
  112. Ibound1 says:
    @tr

    They are winning. This is the mediocre revenging itself on the talented under the guise of correcting racism. Bolshevism was the same process under the guise of correcting economic injustice. It won’t end well.

    • Agree: Thea
    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  113. @prime noticer

    And ironically we’re discovering that Mexicans actually don’t really hate whites much at all.

    I always take the Mexican/American conflict to be a language/cultural conflict, rather than a racial one. Similar to Canada and the French.

    Brown subcontinentals are the biggest threats. They hate whites with a burning passion. China and other East Asians will fall off the map soon as their fertility rates plummet.

    The main question: when do the whites start pushing back?

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
  114. @Ibound1

    Of course they’re winning. There’s literally no push back. There’s not even any pushback against the Hindus, who are a tiny minority.

    • Agree: Ibound1
  115. J1234 says:
    @Dieter kief

    I understand what you’re saying. I try to judge an argument on it’s own merit rather than the person it comes from. However, public people who’ve caught a hell of a lot more heat from the left than Jared Diamond still tend to disavow associations with the Steve Sailers of the world when they perceive they’re receiving too much empathy or support from them, and that’s worth considering. (e.g. Jordan Peterson, though I don’t believe he and Sailer have ever been connected or referenced by one another in any meaningful way. Peterson’s done it with other folks, though.)

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  116. anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    In a New York Times review of Diamond’s latest tome, Upheaval: Turning Points for Nations in Crisis, critic Anand Giridharadas angrily denounces Diamond’s lack of diversity. The South Asian reviewer implies that Diamond is part of a back-scratching coterie with Steven Pinker and Yuval Noah Harari, who, by blurbing each other’s airport bookstore best-sellers, conspire to keep “women and people of color” from getting “an opening to publish a book with a serious publisher.”

    apparently she knows who (((diamond))), (((pinker))), and (((harari))) are

    but she lets (((book publishers))) off the hook

  117. Clyde says:

    #MeToo hunting down Quentin Tarantino
    _______________________________
    ‘I reject your hypothesis’: Quentin Tarantino is left FURIOUS after being quizzed over Margot Robbie’s lack of lines in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood during press conference
    His fiery reaction to the question prompted Margot, 28, to give a more tactful explanation for her lack of lines
    The director also refused to comment on his portrayal of violence against women in his films as he didn’t want to give away any spoilers for the movie https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7059243/Quentin-Tarantino-quizzed-Margot-Robbies-lack-lines-Time-Hollywood.html

  118. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Indians have always been known to be back-stabbers. They have absolutely no loyalty. They join whoever’s side they think will win.

    True. Someone should write a book called “The Rice Christians of Globalism” to describe them in detail.

  119. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Cagey Beast

    Interesting that the black beast here is Zionism.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  120. @J1234

    OT: Michael Barone mentions Steve in a column this week!

  121. Noman says:

    Jared Diamond is Jewish. He is a protected species and does not fall under the white male negative umbrella.

    Same goes for Steven Pinker and Yuval Noah Harari.

    Someone will let Anand Giridharadas know his place.

  122. I am not opposed to the US engaging the planet. We should. But I am deeply concerned with the gambit of importing people who have no investment in what the country is and was. Say or shine as you will about blacks, they have a deep rich investment in the US – documented in spades.

    That is not the case for Indians or any number of immigrants, including Mexicans.

    ————-

    But if one is going to discuss India and Europe then you need much deeper waders than is on display. For that history is one in which the 3rd.ations are bound in blood by the millions. Including both world wars in which Indian losses were acccounted among the first casualties in WWI along with black Africans of more than a million.

  123. Noman says:
    @Olorin

    Nothing to do with color or lack of color.

    Goyim, white or colored, do not get promoted by the (((Media))). The same pattern for Art, Literature, Cinema, Politics, Business.

    Add Miles Mathis to your bookmarks.

  124. SkipJack says:
    @prime noticer

    indians however really want to get rid of europeans, and it’s the first thing they do when they get any “hire and fire” power in a company. all the europeans go, and are replaced with indians. as you’re starting to notice, they are quite the passive aggressive political operators against america and the founding population. indian politicians and judges are showing up everywhere to attack america. an indian judge just ruled against trump this week. a nonsense ruling, but he’s part of the krazy glue team

    This * 100.

    Indians, along with their Jewish masters, are intent on getting rid of the white middle class. They get a big high outta it. Many Bollywood movies show a filthy rich Indian in the UK lording over the brits, with white butlers and maidens.

    These people love chutzpah and the best way to jab them verbally is through it. I always bring up the government of India with them. How it is unabashedly Hindu in its worldview. They recently drafted a refugee policy that only allows Hindus/Sikhs to claim asylum. Many ministers in the Indian white house openly advocate supremacism and violence against minorities in their election rallies to a thunderous applause from the audience.

    Since I work with a whole lot of them, I keep a tab on these things and casually bring it up during lunch if they happen to join me. I feel bad because the one’s who do join are the better ones. Most of them have their sub groups segregated by caste/region or something along those lines. But I want to see them squirm.

    Nevertheless, importing them by the millions would make white folks serfs in their own land. Meso american importation, however doesn’t carry this risk. Every white collar professional in the US need to see the yuuuuugggee risk Indian importation by the millions will have.

    I believe European folks have a much better chance of preserving their heritage. They are quite tightly knit when compared to the bluster of gun totting rugged individualism of the US.

  125. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

  126. @J.Ross

    Walking around planes, to my dismay I see perhaps 99% of pax staring at the vid screen right in front of them, ingesting MSM crap entertainment / propaganda. The only time they turn them off is when they’re asleep, and some not even then.

    But then why do things differently just because you’ve left the house? Heck, I see the same thing going on with the screens in the back of the headrests of every other SUV on the road today.

    This stuff is hard to avoid even if you try, and few try.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  127. @PaceLaw

    Reminds me of an underrated movie from the 80’s called “The Deceivers.” It starred Pierce Brosnan as a British officer in 1820’s India who takes down an Indian thuggee gang. I’m sure the “South Asian” community would not let such a movie be released today.

    The Deceivers was based on the book of the same name by John Masters, a retired British Indian Army officer, who moved to America. His book of historical fiction are set in British India and are worth reading. In particular, his book The Nightrunners of Bengal, about the Indian Mutiny, was a bestseller in the 1950s and was made into a movie. His memoir, Bugles and a Tiger, about army life with the Gurkha Rifles on the Northwest Frontier in the 1930s, is superb.

    Masters’ views of Indians were uncompromisingly pre-PC, and so, he has sort of faded into obscurity, but his family was British Indian for several generations, and like Kipling, he wrote of what he grew up with and knew very well.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
  128. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    The shift happens because they feel that the left is gaining the upper hand on the traditional, conservative America. If they felt that right wingers were in the lead, they would be out protesting for the 2A and all that jazz. It’s just how they are.

    The Indian professionals I would meet in the 1980s were all Republicans. Reagan was President, and they were bankers and doctors and so on, and they went along with the zeitgeist.

  129. @J.Ross

    The idea that Indians (the most verbose people on Earth) are being prevented from publishing is laughable, and the only thing sillier is the idea that a handful of guys who are not in the publishing business are pulling the levers.
    ——-

    A guy who worked at Random House once told me that Indian authors in English (both in India and overseas) are among the most sought after of all groups of authors by publishers in London and New York.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  130. J.Ross says: • Website
    @HammerJack

    I saw an Egyptian comedy on a plane, which was fascinating in its awful wierdness. The main character is closely modelled on Jerry Lewis and the overall production looks like something Sherwood Schwartz would assemble for seventies TV. Very shmaltzy, slapstick, family values, and a heartless polluting industrialist, punctuated by musical numbers with children dancing (well, lining up).

    [MORE]

    The erotic material was most interesting: the protagonist is supposed to be a ladies’ man who realizes he’s wasting his life and becomes a good dad when his neglected wife dies (from the pollution, from the bad guy). So how does Egypt visually represent sleeping around?
    The opening scene ends when a frustrated customer opens a door looking for the protagonist, and mildly disapproves of what he sees: fully clothed adults seated across from one another, but with the lady resting her legs on top of the man’s (clothed) legs like an ottoman. This gives way to a cartoon about women with massively exaggerrated — thighs. Were the thighs exagerrated as a compromise with censorship or do Egyptians just really appreciate a girl who can knock out squats?

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
    , @Anonymous
  131. @Almost Missouri

    “There are about a billion Africans in Africa and almost all of them would be better off economically and politically and in terms of personal safety in Europe,”

    Whether Europeans would be better off economically, politically, and in terms of personal safety, is not part of the calculation.

  132. J.Ross says: • Website
    @PiltdownMan

    I totally believe that. You ask an Indian for five hundred pages tomorrow and you’ll have seven hundred in a few hours. And a few of them can actually put content on those pages. The Chinese have something like our American English idea that less is more.

  133. PaceLaw says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Thanks for sharing! I was not aware of the works of John Masters, but I will definitely check them out. I guess I should do it quickly as the pre-PC view of all non-white minorities will be rapidly memory-holed.

  134. PaceLaw says:
    @J.Ross

    Indians are the “most verbose people on earth”? Ha! Name even 3 Indian rappers.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @J.Ross
  135. PaceLaw says:
    @J.Ross

    There’s such a thing as Egyptian comedy? Let me guess, all non-believers die at the end?

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  136. PaceLaw says:
    @J.Ross

    Horses used to eat humans??? Source? When horses were practically dinosaurs?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  137. @ic1000

    I remember reading somewhere that in addition to the deposit of soil, the quality of topsoil all over the midwest was exceptional, almost six feet thick in places. In the old world, topsoil rarely exceeds six to eight inches of depth. This was because several millennia of prairie grass and flora grew unhindered and died, building up a biota and nutrient rich topsoil layer. I don’t know how correct that is.

    • Agree: ic1000
  138. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    It’s worse than that. It means eventually israel will be forced to live by the same rules as france, britain and germany. So as Britain becomes 51% non-white Israel will become 5 million jews in a sea of 300 million completely equal arabs.

  139. Anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art Deco

    Dearieme is mentally ill. Perseveration is a sign of mental illness. She likes to play the juvenile game of pissing people off just for the sake of it. A real sicko if there ever was one. Imagine being that old and having learned nothing spiritual in life at all.

    Thanks for feeding the troll. I guess you didn’t notice how everyone else ignores her.

    • Disagree: BB753
    • Replies: @black sea
  140. MBlanc46 says:
    @HammerJack

    So while waiting for Mme B to finish in the ladies’ at the San Diego airport yesterday, I glance at the display outside the bookstall. Yep, there’s Jared Diamond. And David McCullough (sp?; the John Adams guy). Airport bookstore best-sellers, indeed.

  141. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    we’re discovering that Mexicans actually don’t really hate whites much at all.

    A fair sized chunck does, but it’s not a majority. A lot of Mexican/Central American families are estactic when their daughters (mostly) or sons marry into a White family. The whole ‘Chicano Rights’ thing of the seventies was a passing fad I think. Most of the Mexicans who hate Whites now do it for PC/SJW reasons I think.

  142. Anon[658] • Disclaimer says:
    @PaceLaw

    Try debating with your regular run of the mill tech Indian [but who is loquacious enough] on FB about legal “skilled” immigration and how it should be curtailed. Especially if that guy is a high earning FOB type who looks down on the natives for lacking the “skills” he has brought to the US [note the condescending tone he might use]. And there are many around. Esp in the bay area/ seattle working for big names like google/Microsoft/Amazon and the likes.

    Whenever the ‘center for immigration studies’ comes up with an article about the ill effects of mass legal immigration like ethnic nepotism in the industry or wage suppression, many of them swarm the FB comments section until every one else just leaves.

    If you are a classic libertarian using libertarian arguments as your only defense, you’ll find yourself struggling to defend your stand. If you use race as a legitimate stand, you’ll find he turns into a arch liberal. Unless you use what-aboutism about what happens in India which itself has a center-right government which openly espouses outright hindu-first policies vis-avis immigration and domestic policies, you’ll find yourself running around in circles with no end in sight.

    I find it exhausting but a decade of “rich” experience being surrounded by them has taught what clicks and what doesn’t. They are a passive aggressive people who love to gang up on you and inundate you verbally or otherwise until you give up. They know very few folks are as argumentative as them and use it like a weapon. Unless you know how to use their own weapon against them, it’s an exhausting experience

    • Replies: @Anonn
  143. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    In the old days in Saudi Arabia, movies on TV were censored LIVE. Whenever any steamy scene was about to blossom, the censor would hit a button to switch to a stationary view of a mosque with Arab music. Once the crisis had passed, the rest of the movie resumed.

    One hates to think what Saudis of that era now associate with mosques.

    • LOL: Dtbb
  144. @Achmed E. Newman

    “Sandy Denny, from an obscure band called “Fairport Convention””

    Just watch it. Fairport also featured one of the world’s great guitarists in Richard Thompson, and one of the world’s great fiddlers in Dave Swarbrick (film buffs can see him playing in the 1967 Far From The Madding Crowd).

    I don’t know if there’s been a singer with a purer voice – Karen Carpenter maybe, but she was almost too pure, like a synthesiser. Maybe Julianne Regan of All About Eve.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  145. @Achmed E. Newman

    …obscure band called “Fairport Convention”

    Thank you for that clip, AEN.

    No need to be apologetic about Fairport Convention. It is obscure, perhaps, over here in America, nowadays, but Fairport Convention is one of the seminal British bands formed in 1967, and folkies on both sides of the Atlantic still know it well.

    It was the most mellow, and, of the British bands of that time, most committed to folk music, as opposed to folk-rock and folkish psychedelic/blues rock, such as that played by Jethro Tull, Traffic, or Fleetwood Mac in their respective first albums released that year.

    I’d say they are as well remembered in the UK as the very early Jefferson Airplane (with Signe Toly Anderson) is, over here.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  146. @PiltdownMan

    The post-Denny/Thompson Fairport are seen here at Glastonbury Fayre in 1971, when it was still a free festival for hippies. Not just great playing, it’s a bit of social history – we really did look like that!

    (Like Airplane, Fairport orinally had a different singer, the very cool Judy Dyble).

  147. (Like Airplane, Fairport orinally had a different singer, the very cool Judy Dyble).

    An excuse to post this for the sake of completeness, though the rendition stands on its own as one of the better covers of Judy Collins’ song. I trust Mr. Sailer will bear with the mini Fairport Convention Convention on his blog.

  148. @YetAnotherAnon

    I don’t know if there’s been a singer with a purer voice

    Ella.

  149. @Zoodles

    We’ll see about that as SJWism heads downscale.

  150. @prime noticer

    That’s Aryans for you.

    White supremacism is for suckas.

  151. @PaceLaw

    There’s such a thing as Egyptian comedy? Let me guess, all non-believers die at the end?

    Egyptian TV has a show like Candid Camera. In one episode, they took an Egyptian celebrity on a tourist bus to promote trips to a particular place. The bus was hijacked by armed men. The celebrity did not know that everyone else was an actor, and the purpose of the show was to film his reaction.

    They did the same thing with a different victim – every day for a month.

  152. J.Ross says: • Website
    @PaceLaw

    Oh benighted and neglected one, who has failed to listen to Siouxie, India quite famously has a native rap/scat-singing style. Repair your sad life.

    (I looked for but could not find a sequence from a silent film about medieval India, in which a lord loses to a cheating gambler, and arouses his serfs to go kick that other guy’s ass. As the People grow more and more incensed, the restorer of the silent film brings in modern-ish Bhangra for the music.)

  153. ATBOTL says:

    The South Asian reviewer implies that Diamond is part of a back-scratching coterie with Steven Pinker and Yuval Noah Harari, who, by blurbing each other’s airport bookstore best-sellers, conspire to keep “women and people of color” from getting “an opening to publish a book with a serious publisher.”

    South Asians are good at noticing ethnic nepotism.

  154. J.Ross says: • Website
    @PaceLaw

    I can’t find the original link, which discussed the mythic memory of the horse over the course of its domestication in the prehistoric and into the ancient Greek sphere, but there is at least one book on this. We’re talking about the very ancient past, when the tribe that figures out how to ride a horse not only conquers anybody who doesn’t, but the conquered come away with confused memories of horse-men. Even with their bellies satiated with oats, horses are still big and powerful, and kill humans with kicking. The fact is that any given unarmed human would lose a fight with a horse, and running away would not be an option.
    http://www.lrgaf.org/deadly_equines.htm

    • Replies: @El Dato
  155. Corvinus says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    “For instance, claiming that Zebras are harder to domesticate than horse predecessors when there is no evidence for this and horses can be tamed. Or that buffalo couldn’t have been domesticated when aurochs (the ancestors of modern cattle) were, despite being described by Caesar as incredibly dangerous and aggressive…The fact that he cites no evidence for any of these claims about what can or cannot be cultivated or domesticated and no data can be found to support it indicates that he just made it up.”

    Clearly you have not read his work.

    Domestication, as opposed to taming, requires a short list of unimpressive traits. In addition to living in herds, the animals must breed in captivity. Buffalo are not innately submissive, nor are they innately submissive towards dominant members of their own species. They are skittish, unpredictable, and potentially aggressive in the presence of humans.

    Furthermore, their submissiveness must be transferable to human handlers. Remember, domestication is not an entirely top-down process driven by humans — the species must be biologically prepared for it. Camels can be domesticated, but not their cousin the vicuna. Reindeer, out of dozens of deer species, have been domesticated.

    From what I gather, nearly nearly all animals that have been domesticated produce low levels of cortisol (a stress hormone) in comparison to their ancestors, Basically, domestication involves selecting a species that has a genetic mutation for low production of this hormone.

    • Replies: @BB753
  156. keypusher says:

    OK, I read the review, and along with a lot of whining about the precious right to publish airport books, currently possessed by Diamond and his friends instead of the reviewer and his friends, Giridharadas lays out a pretty good case that the book is a crock. Diamond apparently distilled 12 factors that are important in personal crises, and then he applies the framework of those 12 factors to nations going through upheavel of one kind or another, including Germany recovering from World War II, Australia abandoning whites-only immigration (I assume Diamond is for that, since the book was published), Meiji Japan dealing with the west, Finland dealing with the USSR, etc.

    At the end of each chapter, each mini-history, Diamond pauses to ask some variant of: “How does Indonesia’s crisis fit into our framework?” And this is a tell. The Framework is driving the inquiry here, and everything stands at its service. The people we encounter are seldom richly portrayed, because only The Framework matters. The stories we learn about each country are often partial and slanted, because only The Framework matters. Countries where racism and tolerance, sexism and equality have long been in tension are portrayed as being entirely one thing before magically becoming the opposite thing, because The Framework can only process monoliths.

    Sounds simple-minded and stupid. Tom Friedman-ish. And since Guns, Germs, and Steel was a crock, it’s a pretty good bet this book is too. Why are you sticking up for Diamond, Steve?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  157. BB753 says:
    @Corvinus

    Yep, domestication implies selective breeding, which isn’t rocket science and has been done for over ten thousand years. Way back if you count dogs. It can be done with virtually any species of mammals or birds.

  158. El Dato says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Jesus Christ those are fugly drawings. This 70s “underground comics” style actually makes me physically sick.

    I can understand Nazis banning that.

  159. Corvinus says:

    “It can be done with virtually any species of mammals or birds.”

    For the long-term? No. While one-off attempts to tame a Zebra here and there were successful, domesticating them proved impossible. Zebras are easily agitated, become aggressive when cornered, and are ill-tempered. And while they could carry an adult human, they were significantly smaller than European horses; the discomfort of having a passenger for any length of time was likely to activate their worst tendencies, even if “broken”.

    • Replies: @BB753
  160. El Dato says:
    @J.Ross

    Deadly Equines is a revolutionary departure from equestrian romance. It is a fact-filled analysis which reveals how humanity has known about meat-eating horses for at least four thousand years, during which time horses have consumed nearly two dozen different types of protein, including human flesh, and that these episodes have occurred on every continent, including Antarctica.

    “Around nags, never relax!”

    This sure will turn on the hippophile ladies, that will!

  161. BB753 says:
    @Corvinus

    It takes patience and the right mutation. Wild horses were dangerous animals and still are to some degree but it turns out that all modern horses are descended on the paternal line from the one tame horse that could be domesticated.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  162. J.Ross says: • Website
    @keypusher

    They went over that. Steve’s sticking up for Diamond because Diamond would turn Steve in or denounce him faster than a New Guinean can erect a hut.

    • LOL: jack daniels
  163. Corvinus says:
    @BB753

    “It takes patience and the right mutation.”

    I get it. You are digging your heels in to a position that deep down you know is untenable, but must continue to flail about because you cannot openly admit you are wrong.

    The dream of a domesticated zebra lives on. Through extreme patience and rewards-based training, sure, a few may be relatively tamed. But the odds are extremely likely that zebras will remain where they ought to be–in the wild.

    “Wild horses were dangerous animals and still are to some degree but it turns out that all modern horses are descended on the paternal line from the one tame horse that could be domesticated.”

    How horses were domesticated remains disputed.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-17943974

  164. For those interested in learning about war elephants, I suggest this website.

    https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/military-history/war-elephants-from-ancient-india-to-vietnam/

    Bottom line, they were effective, but smart and experienced opponents were able to figure out ways to deal with them.

    They had great shock value against soldiers who hadn’t dealt with elephants before, so the intimidation factor was strong. They could break up enemy lines and fortifications, and frustrate a cavalry charge because the horses were scared of them. However, they were big targets and easy to hit. The elephants could be tamed, but were never domesticated. If they took significant damage they might turn around and run through, and over, their friendly lines, killing their own side. They could also be spooked with fire. Their weakness was their foot-pads. Place spiky things on the battlefield for them to step on and they would go nuts. If none of that worked, just target the rider. Without a rider, elephants were useless. Once cannons were introduced on the battlefield they became even less predictable.

    They were very useful for was in support roles off the battlefield. They were good at carrying heavy things.

  165. @J.Ross

    Probably any animal could be domesticated if you (and your descendants) were willing to put in the time and work. But it is a lot easier if they are halfway there already with traits like not being a picky eater, willing to breed in captivity, have a social hierarchy, etc.

    So we could rather quickly breed wolves into domesticated dogs, but it will be a while before we could domesticate a python, if anyone were willing to try. It would be an interesting project. The Soviets, in a scientific experiment, were able to domesticate foxes over a number of generations by simply eliminating those that were hostile to humans until they had a breed that was friendly to humans. You can actually get one as a pet, and they are safe and friendly, but they don’t act like dogs because the process was so different from that used by ancient humans.

    It seems that domesticated animals must have been at least somewhat useful in their tamed-but-not-domesticated form before our ancient human ancestors would even consider domesticating them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @J.Ross
  166. Anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:
    @Don't Look at Me

    The difficulty in breeding them in captivity is why cheetahs are not common pets. They were not successfully bred in captivity until well after owning one was outlawed in most places.

    Other than that, and their propensity to shit on top of high places, they make surprisingly good pets.

  167. @J1234

    When polite society decides to rejoin him, he’ll enjoy exceptionally high status since he’ll be one of the few among that society with the demonstrated courage to stick to the pursuit of truth come what may. He’s signaling that he’ll be a benevolent, forgiving, and charitable ruler when that day comes.

    He’ll be their Mandela.

  168. black sea says:
    @Anon

    Actually, Dearie is a he, not a she.

  169. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Don't Look at Me

    Animal training is the hacking of existing animal societal norms. Pythons aren’t social animals. I don’t see anything easy about getting a wolf to do what it doesn’t want to do — this is all anti-white lying, denying accomplishment, and ignoring time. The vast time it took for us to have dogs and pigs lets us ignore how difficult it must have been at first, just like these modern law talkers and society remakers and activists who know nothing about history but know that the foundational concept of America is that they be paid.

  170. @Cagey Beast

    As for the reaction to Bari Weiss and the so-called “Intellectual Dark Web”, it’s as I described.

    I don’t understand your description. I don’t understand how Bari Weiss is related to the dark web. I have no idea why you’re mentioning Bari Weiss. You have not connected her to any of the rest of what you’re saying.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  171. @ben tillman

    Well, bring yourself up to speed then. The IDW is the controlled opposition, and Bari Weiss the virtual whipping girl of the Wokerati.

    In reality she’s the one behind all the vapidity that Steve notes on a regular basis that crowds out the NYT long-lost role as the legitimate paper of record. Nowadays that status is entirely by default so we get a steady stream of mendacity, puerility, and ignorance coursing throughout the body politic.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  172. Anonn says:
    @Anon

    Except Indians can easily bring up the long running famines & genocide by Christians & Muslims.

    It’s rich to see whites who colonized & christianized multiple continents in the last few c. complain that Indians would not wish for the days of Portuguese Goa where black slaves would hold down Indians so the white master could stuff beef in their mouth.

    Or maybe a return to the Khilji days of a Hindu having to open his mouth for a Muslim to spit in it.

    The rich tapestry of British experiences including the outright support for Pakistan’s genocide of Hindus in 1971 by the American/UK navy also comes to mind.

    Care to continue?

    • Replies: @Anon
  173. @jon

    Are you being ironic or do you really think that? Most of the people who complain about white privilege are Jews complaining on behalf of non-whites.

  174. @Charles Pewitt

    What makes you think Robert Putnam is a WASP? Eg Hillary Putnam was Jewish. Frankly I don’t see much WASP in what you call the “JEW/WASP ruling class.” It looks to me that the WASPs are just decorative accessories to Jewish power; they can pose in photos on spreading prep school lawns for a multicultural look. If a WASP intellectual departs from the dogmas favored by the Jewish intellectuals I suspect he will lose his status, but maybe I’m wrong.

  175. Anon[658] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonn

    How in the world is that related to the shit storm of Hindus making a beeline for the US of A? How does the US of A figure into all that? Taking our jobs, killing the white middle class, remaining loyal to your motherland back home. You are just like the mexicans but you pretend an air of superiority about your self. Typical upper caste Hindu arrogance

    You have already overrun the UK with your filthy culture of deceit, lying hypocrisy and callousness. You want to do the same in the US too. You favor Hindu nationalism in India but work against white nationalism in the US. Why the hypocrisy??

    You can keep your history lesson and shove it up your a**. You people whine like women. I sincerely wish India should have had the Mongols overrun them followed by the Spaniards (the conquistadors). That would have had been better than the British and the Muslims.

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