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Of course he’s white. Successful insane stunts are 99% white, 1% Japanese.
Here’s an Academy Award winning documentary from when I was a kid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-8DLUc5iJg
The Man Who Skied Down Everest is a documentary about Yuichiro Miura, a Japanese alpinist who skied down Mt. Everest in 1970. The film was produced by Canadian film maker Budge Crawley. Miura skied 6,600 feet (2000 m) in 2 minutes and 20 seconds and fell 1320 feet down the steep Lhotse face from the Yellow Band just below the South Col. He used a large parachute to slow his descent. He came to a full stop just 250 ft. from the edge of the crevasse. The ski descent was the objective of The Japanese Everest Skiing Expedition 1970. Six members of this expedition died.
“We, who are about to die, salute you.”
The Japanese are Honorary Whites.
Hello divide and conquer!
In South Africa during the Apartheid era in the 60s under Prime Minister Hendrik Verwoerd Japanese and Taiwanese were granted honourary white status, which the Chinese, Indians and other Asians were not.
This was likely due to Japanese investment in South Africa, for example both Toyota and Nissan had and still have car manufacturing plants there.Replies: @Cowboy Shaw, @PV van der Byl
There is a real and indeed rather thrilling point to being any sort of Aryan; who, on the other hand, would be pleased or thrilled to be called an Honorary Portuguese?
And what would be the point of it? Because we all know what the point of Aryanism is, honorary or otherwise.Replies: @Brutusale
Miura-san is 100% badass, as was his father.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keizo_Miura
Hmm… Maybe “whites” are honorary Japanese?
That certain je ne sais quoi. That insatiable white spirit.
Jumping from an airplane with no parachute is child’s play. Let’s see a white guy walk alone down MLK Jr Blvd in every major city in America!
I’d never seen the Japanese guy skiing down Everest. The latter half of the video when he lost his skis could be more accurately described as “sliding on his ass down Everest” but either way he’s got much bigger balls than I do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYz00UQfiPk
I was sort of disappointed to find out that he jumped into a giant net suspended in the air, which kind of feels like cheating somehow. Still impressive of course, but I had imagined that he was wearing one of those suits that allow you to glide while skydiving, and had managed to glide horizontally to a slower, more survivable descent.
What’s with the commenters on the linked article? Almost entirely negative. Life is filled with risk no matter what you do, and it sounds like this guy knew what he was doing and took a very calculated risk; certainly not irresponsible.
” Successful insane stunts are 99% white, 1% Japanese.”
How about the 100,000s of Africans trying to cross the Mediterranean crammed into top heavy boats?
Now the Europeans inviting them in, on the other hand.....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4GFIXrybfKgReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @PiltdownMan
Great song in this classic video of a guy just biking around Edinburgh.
Thank you Jenner, I hadn't seen one of his videos for a few years.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lDi9uFcD7XI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nloF0eF-zFs (Not great quality)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_WarbyReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Formula One drivers and Grand Prix motorcycle riders are White guys, Lewis Hamilton and a few Japanese guys. Most of the technology is European and Japanese. Japanese guys in general are out there pushing the limits.
A number of people have survived, by luck, falls of many thousands of feet without parachutes. People who fell, jumped, or were thrown, out of exploding airplanes and then hit trees on a mountain slope, and so on, just right (WWII stuff, mostly).
The world record holder is Vesna Vulovi:
She was lucky to land near a shepherd who just happened to be an experienced combat medic.
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Ivan Chisov:
Alan Magee:
Nicholas Alkemade:
Candy asses. Real men ride it out on the windshield:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/the-day-pilot-was-sucked-out-of-birmingham-223909
Not quite sure what this all infers.
Perhaps we should encourage Whites to take up external mayhem, and Blacks, the internalized sort?
I dunno.
Is doing crazy dudebro single-guy stunts when you have a 4-year-old son really white behavior? I know how the West was won, but those strong, silent men typically had a lot at stake. Penury to be warded off, a family to feed, a nation to be built, etc.
As an aside, I’m struck by how long it took for Miura-san’s ski bindings to release. Ancient 1970s technology perhaps?
All that being said, the guy hit the net pretty close to the edge.Replies: @PiltdownMan
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4GFIXrybfKgReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @PiltdownMan
That Japanese documentary was from the same era as Evel Knievel’s glory days, another guy held up as an exemplar of the devil-may-care American white guy can-do spirit.
Like I implied above, the spirit may have lived on in Mr. Aikins or the late Mr. Kneivel, but the Frontier context it arose from is mostly long gone.
https://twitter.com/AwardsDarwin?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Guess his race usually come up White here too.
I can say the phenomenon of black Americans being literally afraid of the outdoors is real and makes evo psych sense to me, since Africa’s got a lot of predators ya know. But my all time favorite movie in lieu of lecture was in anthropology when we took a look at the good old bushmen. After the hunt, they sat around and smoked some harsh root and pondered in mystic tones some coincidence that accompanied the kill like an auspicious omen. I liked those guys, the real deal bushmen. But I supoose their likable musing could be called symptomatic of paranoïa.
When I was a kid I had a very lively interest in stunt performers and dreamed of being one someday. I used to watch a pair of Japanese stuntmen practice their arts by doing backward somersaults off the roof of a three-story building, landing directly on a concrete sidewalk. Apparently they were just lithe and limber enough to take the impact without suffering bodily harm. Certainly, having a small, slight, but strong frame—an athletic Japanese build—is essential for that kind of activity. At 6’2” and 210 lbs, I would probably splatter like a watermelon if I leapt from such a height. I would at the very least break a few bones. No doubt a few iSteve readers will be reminded at this juncture of J.B.S. Haldane’s essay, On Being the Right Size:
But all these observations eventually started me thinking along a rather intriguing line. Suppose you had a person with the right sort of build, small but tough and springy. And further suppose that this person, through diligent practice, eventually conditioned himself to survive contacts with the ground at 120 mph—a value typically given as the terminal velocity of a human being falling through Earth’s atmosphere. Would it not then be possible for him to simply leap from a plane at any altitude without a parachute or any sort of impact attenuation device?
I’m thinking that someday somebody will actually try this: A high altitude jump with no parachute, no net, no cushion. It may just be the purest form of dare-devilry ever attempted.
Yeah, but Africans traditionally were outdoors all day, so they should be used to it.
The incredible, inimitable, the supremely-talented Danny MacAskill.
Thank you Jenner, I hadn’t seen one of his videos for a few years.
A guy named Gary Connery did that a couple of years ago, in England.
Still, Luke Aikins hitting a 30 yard wide net after jumping from five miles up with no wingsuit to help him steer is no small feat.
Any unexpected wind-shear or cross-winds along the way and that would have been that.
When we see the flag of the rising sun being saluted by at least on japstronaut on the moon, come back to us, and then we’ll talk revisions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro
I think the Japs would be too polite to say anything and embarrass us:
Well, sure, but at least half those white guys are drunk Russians.
At least he wasn't American. Just think of the cheesey Hollywood biopics starring guys like Tom Cruise or Colin Farrell.
Two crazy compatriots. Working class boys with the spirit.
(Not great quality)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Warby
The ribbed paddle tire reminds me of this nifty ‘go anywhere’ vehicle.
The world record holder is Vesna Vulovi:She was lucky to land near a shepherd who just happened to be an experienced combat medic.
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Ivan Chisov:Alan Magee:Nicholas Alkemade:Replies: @Ozymandias
“People who fell, jumped, or were thrown, out of exploding airplanes….”
Candy asses. Real men ride it out on the windshield:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/the-day-pilot-was-sucked-out-of-birmingham-223909
The “successful” part generally requires high IQ, so that means Northwestern Europeans (and their descendants elsewhere) and East Asians.* The “insane stunts” part requires low risk aversion, so that tends to weed out the East Asians.**
There is also perhaps a small element of affluence in the equation. Going on adventures is a high affluence activity in general. When East Asians were not as affluent as now, they weren’t going skiing, bunge-jumping or climbing the Everest. Now that they are well-to-do, there is much more adventurous leisure activity going on in East Asia.
*I don’t know how the high IQ Ashkenazi Jews fit in this. I find that “Sabra” (native-born) Israelis can be quite daring. There is a great deal of a culture of elan and daring among the males (being a commando or a fighter pilot is highly desired) in Israel. On the other hand, Diaspora Jews seem to be what van Creveld calls “Men without Chests.” I suppose this may point to the possibility that whatever the genetics, a culture of daring can be constructed with the right conditions.
**I know the white nationalist crowd goes gaga occasionally for the Japanese as “honorary whites” (to the extent that they do about any non-whites), a notion that seems to originate from the earlier days of the 20th Century when Japan was the only major industrial and military power in Asia. But today I find that Korean males are far more daring than Japanese males are. The Japanese do not have to serve in the military (or the “Self-Defense Forces”) and are usually dogmatic pacifsts. Lee Kuan Yew, usually astute on such matter, reputedly said that “A Korean is tougher than a Japanese, but as a group the Japanese beat the Koreans.”
While I was in East Asia, I have seen with my own eyes extreme acts of daring and insanity performed by certain military units of South Korea (ROK). Not so much with the Japanese SDFs. Whatever spirit of daring they once had, it seems to have been sucked out by 70 years of enforced pacifism in Japan.
Its almost like removing the majority of males suitable for military service changes a society somehow.Replies: @PiltdownMan
Perhaps we should encourage Whites to take up external mayhem, and Blacks, the internalized sort?Replies: @Socially Extinct, @Eustace Tilley (not)
IOW, if it’s not meth or prescription pills, it’s wingsuit leaps from the stratosphere seeking to fulfill that emptiness of “not breeding” that Western White and Japanese suffer from. Hmmm.
First person to reach the North Pole: White Robert Edwin Peary.
First person to reach the South Pole: White Roald Amundsen.
First person to reach Mount Everest: White Edmund Hillary.
Person who reached the ocean's deepest point: White James Cameron.
First person to jump out of an aircraft with a parachute: White Grant Norton or White Captain Albert Bering (It's disputed).
And numerous others.Replies: @5371
Good lord. It would take me a hundred lives to get that right.
There is also perhaps a small element of affluence in the equation. Going on adventures is a high affluence activity in general. When East Asians were not as affluent as now, they weren't going skiing, bunge-jumping or climbing the Everest. Now that they are well-to-do, there is much more adventurous leisure activity going on in East Asia.
*I don't know how the high IQ Ashkenazi Jews fit in this. I find that "Sabra" (native-born) Israelis can be quite daring. There is a great deal of a culture of elan and daring among the males (being a commando or a fighter pilot is highly desired) in Israel. On the other hand, Diaspora Jews seem to be what van Creveld calls "Men without Chests." I suppose this may point to the possibility that whatever the genetics, a culture of daring can be constructed with the right conditions.
**I know the white nationalist crowd goes gaga occasionally for the Japanese as "honorary whites" (to the extent that they do about any non-whites), a notion that seems to originate from the earlier days of the 20th Century when Japan was the only major industrial and military power in Asia. But today I find that Korean males are far more daring than Japanese males are. The Japanese do not have to serve in the military (or the "Self-Defense Forces") and are usually dogmatic pacifsts. Lee Kuan Yew, usually astute on such matter, reputedly said that "A Korean is tougher than a Japanese, but as a group the Japanese beat the Koreans."
While I was in East Asia, I have seen with my own eyes extreme acts of daring and insanity performed by certain military units of South Korea (ROK). Not so much with the Japanese SDFs. Whatever spirit of daring they once had, it seems to have been sucked out by 70 years of enforced pacifism in Japan.Replies: @Ozymandias, @Anonymous, @AndrewR
“Whatever spirit of daring they once had, it seems to have been sucked out by 70 years of enforced pacifism in Japan.”
Its almost like removing the majority of males suitable for military service changes a society somehow.
I'd never seen the Japanese guy skiing down Everest. The latter half of the video when he lost his skis could be more accurately described as "sliding on his ass down Everest" but either way he's got much bigger balls than I do.Replies: @bomag
Documented back in the day:
There is also perhaps a small element of affluence in the equation. Going on adventures is a high affluence activity in general. When East Asians were not as affluent as now, they weren't going skiing, bunge-jumping or climbing the Everest. Now that they are well-to-do, there is much more adventurous leisure activity going on in East Asia.
*I don't know how the high IQ Ashkenazi Jews fit in this. I find that "Sabra" (native-born) Israelis can be quite daring. There is a great deal of a culture of elan and daring among the males (being a commando or a fighter pilot is highly desired) in Israel. On the other hand, Diaspora Jews seem to be what van Creveld calls "Men without Chests." I suppose this may point to the possibility that whatever the genetics, a culture of daring can be constructed with the right conditions.
**I know the white nationalist crowd goes gaga occasionally for the Japanese as "honorary whites" (to the extent that they do about any non-whites), a notion that seems to originate from the earlier days of the 20th Century when Japan was the only major industrial and military power in Asia. But today I find that Korean males are far more daring than Japanese males are. The Japanese do not have to serve in the military (or the "Self-Defense Forces") and are usually dogmatic pacifsts. Lee Kuan Yew, usually astute on such matter, reputedly said that "A Korean is tougher than a Japanese, but as a group the Japanese beat the Koreans."
While I was in East Asia, I have seen with my own eyes extreme acts of daring and insanity performed by certain military units of South Korea (ROK). Not so much with the Japanese SDFs. Whatever spirit of daring they once had, it seems to have been sucked out by 70 years of enforced pacifism in Japan.Replies: @Ozymandias, @Anonymous, @AndrewR
See the hit 2016 TV series The Descendants of the Sun. ROK SOF are featured prominently in this drama series. I imagine the numbers of applications will skyrocket among young males, not only because it seems noble and cool, but you can land a gorgeous female medical doctor (Song Hye-kyo) to boot. Chicks dig smart and tough guys the most.
Re the Brit whose fall was padded by pine trees and snow and walks away with a sprain:
This is so outrageous that — if it happened to you — you would question whether it was real or a dream for many days, months, years afterward.
Thank you Jenner, I hadn't seen one of his videos for a few years.Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
Glad to be of service!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lDi9uFcD7XI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nloF0eF-zFs (Not great quality)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_WarbyReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
That first video, whoa. Beautiful photography. I’m thinking, okay, he’s on flat water, cool, whatever. Then, WTF. The next Mad Max will be set in the surf, mate.
The ribbed paddle tire reminds me of this nifty ‘go anywhere’ vehicle.
I was so happy to see that guy do that, right in the middle of all this other news.
This is one of my favorite Japanese stunts:
How about the 100,000s of Africans trying to cross the Mediterranean crammed into top heavy boats?Replies: @iSteveFan, @Pericles, @peterike, @Gato de la Biblioteca
What about it? They have NATO naval vessels at the ready to take them to Europe.
I think one reason I was so happy to see this was because he was just doing what he wanted, and there were no rules or regulations nor SJW’s saying it was not allowed.
For some reason the SAG told him at the last minute that he needed to wear a parachute, but then at the last second decided he could do it parachuteless.
Freedom!
I guess it was not like saying “all lives matter,” or something. Only an idiot would do something that dumb and contrary to all the natural laws in the universe.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/31/all-lives-matter-gets-texas-student-suspended-sent-to-diversity-workshop/
Were these stunt darlings truly daring, they’d simply speak disapprovingly of Islamic and illegal immigration, and of disastrous “free trade” treaties – in short, they’d all be Donald Trump.
Do you imagine the breakdown on unsuccessful ones is much different?
I saw the 707th Special Missions Battalion up close and personal. I am glad they are our allies.
You should not take that breakdown as literal. It’s obviously rhetorical.
The joke was about the "successful" part.
The Japanese are white people’s preferred proxy to do their dirty work in Asia.
Hello divide and conquer!
A personal favorite: Basejump/wingsuit landing with no parachute on Lake Garda Italy:
How about the 100,000s of Africans trying to cross the Mediterranean crammed into top heavy boats?Replies: @iSteveFan, @Pericles, @peterike, @Gato de la Biblioteca
Their safety net is much easier to hit.
I know “1% Japanese” was for joke effect, and all respect to Japanese accomplishments silly and great, but it’s getting a bit … dated to only see Asia through Japan. There’s also Korea, as Twinkie points out. And a little place called China that we actually don’t get much news about from the West, because it doesn’t translate well.
For example, don’t forget the Chinese tightrope walker who fell 700 feet in 2012 and lived.
His name is easy to remember: Aisikaier Wubulikaisimu, aka 艾斯凯尔.
OK technically he is Uighur, and doesn’t look super Chinese. Shall we call him white?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170881/Chinese-tightrope-walker-plummets-ground-trying-high-wire-stunt-backwards-AND-blindfolded.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/06/china-tightrope-walkers-xinjiang-beijing
Well, if we forget his name there's 1.4 billion other dog eating, money worshiping ant people to take his place.
For example, don't forget the Chinese tightrope walker who fell 700 feet in 2012 and lived.
His name is easy to remember: Aisikaier Wubulikaisimu, aka 艾斯凯尔.
OK technically he is Uighur, and doesn't look super Chinese. Shall we call him white?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170881/Chinese-tightrope-walker-plummets-ground-trying-high-wire-stunt-backwards-AND-blindfolded.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/06/china-tightrope-walkers-xinjiang-beijingReplies: @Twinkie, @wren, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
Much of white nationalist tripe about the uniqueness of whites mirrors that of Korean or Japanese obsession with their own uniquess – it’s largely out of insularity and selection-bias. In IQ, temperament, and a host of other traits, whites and East Asians have divergent averages (much less so than that between blacks and East Asians, of course), but the spectrum for each is wide and close enough that the overlap is quite large.
Some Central Asians can be quite daring. Not settled merchant Iranic groups like the Tajiks, but, for example, the Mongols can be quite adventurous and inured to dangers. However, they tend not to have the high IQs of, say, the Germans or the Koreans. They also have elevated rates of crime and unsanctioned violence.
You seem to parrot a lot of the same "tripe" when you speak about how fortunate you were to marry a German -American.Replies: @Twinkie
For example, don't forget the Chinese tightrope walker who fell 700 feet in 2012 and lived.
His name is easy to remember: Aisikaier Wubulikaisimu, aka 艾斯凯尔.
OK technically he is Uighur, and doesn't look super Chinese. Shall we call him white?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170881/Chinese-tightrope-walker-plummets-ground-trying-high-wire-stunt-backwards-AND-blindfolded.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/06/china-tightrope-walkers-xinjiang-beijingReplies: @Twinkie, @wren, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
Yikes! That is a great one!
It’s interesting that black people also tend to dislike cats. This makes evo psych sense as well, given the number of leopards and lions in Africa.
For example, don't forget the Chinese tightrope walker who fell 700 feet in 2012 and lived.
His name is easy to remember: Aisikaier Wubulikaisimu, aka 艾斯凯尔.
OK technically he is Uighur, and doesn't look super Chinese. Shall we call him white?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170881/Chinese-tightrope-walker-plummets-ground-trying-high-wire-stunt-backwards-AND-blindfolded.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/06/china-tightrope-walkers-xinjiang-beijingReplies: @Twinkie, @wren, @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
“His name is easy to remember”.
Well, if we forget his name there’s 1.4 billion other dog eating, money worshiping ant people to take his place.
What Aikens did was far from a dudebro stunt. He comes from a family of skydivers and the feat was undertaken only after extensive practice and preparation. A gum company was his sponsor and they did this live on national TV before a crowd – if they thought there was more than a minuscule chance that he was going to end up splattered on the ground they wouldn’t have done it. Of course there was some a risk but it was a very calculated risk.
All that being said, the guy hit the net pretty close to the edge.
Its almost like removing the majority of males suitable for military service changes a society somehow.Replies: @PiltdownMan
Being on the receiving end of weapons based on the principle E=mc² will do it, too.
I´ve seen videos of black people jumping of roofs, 30 feet or something like that. After that they stood up and seemed a little bit shaken, yet unharmed. Very impressive. I think the higher density of bones of people of westafrican ancestry help them doing those things. Actually I can not imagine a non-black person doing something like that, except maybe Russians.
All that being said, the guy hit the net pretty close to the edge.Replies: @PiltdownMan
Skydiving is a topic I know little about, but I do wonder about how they planned to address the problem of any unexpected layer of crosswinds. Was the backup plan to have the others who dived with him swoop in and strap a parachute on if he was pushed off trajectory?
His Race
Is crazy a race?
There are theories...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cad_1469331429
I’ve seen a stuntman do that at Universal Studios, so perhaps it is a skill that can be learned?
I didn’t.
The joke was about the “successful” part.
I don’t think the two are related. White people have been doing crazy stuff since forever.
First person to reach the North Pole: White Robert Edwin Peary.
First person to reach the South Pole: White Roald Amundsen.
First person to reach Mount Everest: White Edmund Hillary.
Person who reached the ocean’s deepest point: White James Cameron.
First person to jump out of an aircraft with a parachute: White Grant Norton or White Captain Albert Bering (It’s disputed).
And numerous others.
Ain't Hollywood grand? You've never heard of Piccard and Walsh, though they did it more than fifty years earlier.
Ruined by the shitty remix of “Summertime Sadness”. Even accounting for the audio quality.
Maybe he tightened them up so they wouldn’t pop, like ballet skis.
Truer than you think.
In South Africa during the Apartheid era in the 60s under Prime Minister Hendrik Verwoerd Japanese and Taiwanese were granted honourary white status, which the Chinese, Indians and other Asians were not.
This was likely due to Japanese investment in South Africa, for example both Toyota and Nissan had and still have car manufacturing plants there.
Japanese always had the same legal status as whites in South Africa. An uncle of mine had a half-Japanese, half-English classmate in primary school in 1930s Port Elizabeth.
Chinese were kept in the same middle category as Coloureds and south Asians until some time in the late 70s or early 80s.
Taiwanese investment did have much to do with the elevation of Chinese to white legal status later on.
My impression is, though, even non-Taiwanese Chinese (i.e. those descendants of early 20th century immigrants) were able to buy houses in white neighborhoods and to go to local schools by the mid 1980s.
Aww did a Jap steal your girl? You sound insecure.
So, instead of some rapacious japanese man "stealing my girl," I think it would be a more logical assumption that you're attempting to assuage your existential guilt related to the money and time you've spent so far on sexual tourism, preying on young asiatics.
Not that I'd assume you'd have the money to actually leave your house, but paying bitcoin to japanese girls to flash boobies on the internets would certainly be within your financial wheelhouse, from time to time.
This, I believe, is a far more likely scenario fueling your internet outrage, than my girl calling me with the sad news that she's breaking up with me, to carry on the good life with my gardener, Mr. Yukio.Replies: @AndrewR
I'm thinking that someday somebody will actually try this: A high altitude jump with no parachute, no net, no cushion. It may just be the purest form of dare-devilry ever attempted.Replies: @AndrewR
There’s a limit to the velocity at which a human can safely land on hard ground. Those Japanese guys jumping off three story buildings were only landing at a quarter of terminal velocity.
In South Africa during the Apartheid era in the 60s under Prime Minister Hendrik Verwoerd Japanese and Taiwanese were granted honourary white status, which the Chinese, Indians and other Asians were not.
This was likely due to Japanese investment in South Africa, for example both Toyota and Nissan had and still have car manufacturing plants there.Replies: @Cowboy Shaw, @PV van der Byl
3 Maori and 1 Samoan were granted the same honorary white status in 1970 when the new zealand rugby team toured South Africa.
living in a city that is predominantly black is enough of a risk or thrill ride for the noble savages. Besides, Rufus ain’t got no airplane.
How about the 100,000s of Africans trying to cross the Mediterranean crammed into top heavy boats?Replies: @iSteveFan, @Pericles, @peterike, @Gato de la Biblioteca
Indeed. That’s an excellent example of black ineptness, lack of future time orientation and inability to understand the consequences of their actions. Not to mention it proves yet again that the greatest lure of all to Africans is welfare.
He didn’t exactly hit in the middle of that net by the way–maybe 30 feet to spare one one side, and functionally, I imagine, less than that.
Indeed, Japanese were legally white in South Africa all throughout the years of white government. Unlike, say, California under Earl Warren.
In South Africa during the Apartheid era in the 60s under Prime Minister Hendrik Verwoerd Japanese and Taiwanese were granted honourary white status, which the Chinese, Indians and other Asians were not.
This was likely due to Japanese investment in South Africa, for example both Toyota and Nissan had and still have car manufacturing plants there.Replies: @Cowboy Shaw, @PV van der Byl
Nick,
Japanese always had the same legal status as whites in South Africa. An uncle of mine had a half-Japanese, half-English classmate in primary school in 1930s Port Elizabeth.
Chinese were kept in the same middle category as Coloureds and south Asians until some time in the late 70s or early 80s.
Taiwanese investment did have much to do with the elevation of Chinese to white legal status later on.
My impression is, though, even non-Taiwanese Chinese (i.e. those descendants of early 20th century immigrants) were able to buy houses in white neighborhoods and to go to local schools by the mid 1980s.
Don’t forget the Japanese adventurer Norio Suzuki. He went into the Phillipine jungle and enticed the final WW2 holdout (Hirooo Onoda) to emerge from the jungle in 1974. They had to fly in his retired commanding officer from Japan to get him to surrender. Suzuki later died in an avalanche searching for the abominable snowman:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norio_Suzuki_(explorer)
I would say that if anyone’s post carried a dark undertow, it would probably be the person who’s attempting to draw parity of historic contributions to humanity between white folks and the japanese. Normally, a fool’s errand, as you know.
So, instead of some rapacious japanese man “stealing my girl,” I think it would be a more logical assumption that you’re attempting to assuage your existential guilt related to the money and time you’ve spent so far on sexual tourism, preying on young asiatics.
Not that I’d assume you’d have the money to actually leave your house, but paying bitcoin to japanese girls to flash boobies on the internets would certainly be within your financial wheelhouse, from time to time.
This, I believe, is a far more likely scenario fueling your internet outrage, than my girl calling me with the sad news that she’s breaking up with me, to carry on the good life with my gardener, Mr. Yukio.
Is crazy a race?Replies: @yowza
ce?
There are theories…
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cad_1469331429
How about the 100,000s of Africans trying to cross the Mediterranean crammed into top heavy boats?
If you had to look at African women all day, every day you’d be willing to risk and life and limb to reach civilization, too.
So, instead of some rapacious japanese man "stealing my girl," I think it would be a more logical assumption that you're attempting to assuage your existential guilt related to the money and time you've spent so far on sexual tourism, preying on young asiatics.
Not that I'd assume you'd have the money to actually leave your house, but paying bitcoin to japanese girls to flash boobies on the internets would certainly be within your financial wheelhouse, from time to time.
This, I believe, is a far more likely scenario fueling your internet outrage, than my girl calling me with the sad news that she's breaking up with me, to carry on the good life with my gardener, Mr. Yukio.Replies: @AndrewR
Wow. Many humor. Much laugh.
While Japan was indeed very backwards and insular until the mid 19th century (and, to a lesser extent, until the mid 20th), since the spread of “white [sic]” science, industry and philosophy to Japan, Japan has punched far above its weight in terms of contributions to humanity, although I wouldn’t necessarily expect someone whose self-esteem is based off of the historical legacy of people who somewhat looked like him to agree with me on this point.
Your history lesson of Japan is irrelevant, since the debate was about parity in world contributions to modern civilization. This doesn't require an eyeglass, it requires a scale. The scale tells us the Japanese are relative lightweights.
So, as it is, they aren't our peers. They're worthy of respect, certainly, but not as co-leads on the stage of world history.
And finally, the cheap shot contending that I get my self-esteem by vague proxy is false, as you know. It would be an accurate criticism if I were, say, Japanese, boasting of the past feats initiated and completed by white Americans, simply because I was American.
As it is, I'm white, of western european stock, my gene pool reaching about, and improving mankind in spite of itself, like committed army ants just doing their thing. It's not a matter to take pride in, rather it's a matter of fact.
But that's not just me staring lovingly in the mirror. If immigration polls tallying the non-whites who would immigrate here if they could are correct, it's a fair conclusion to make that everyone wants to be my friend.
And who could blame them?
I am–we are... the stuff that dreams are made of.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR
If count each successful Kamikazes, the ratio would…………..
Guess white men are so dispirited, Steve had to raise their pride through this propaganda post.
If you believe yourself, you really need others praise very much.
Americans during WWII pulled a few doozy's. Read about Joe Kennedy Jr.
Sorry about your grammar, but at least it's evidence that Steve recognizes the retard vote.
There is also perhaps a small element of affluence in the equation. Going on adventures is a high affluence activity in general. When East Asians were not as affluent as now, they weren't going skiing, bunge-jumping or climbing the Everest. Now that they are well-to-do, there is much more adventurous leisure activity going on in East Asia.
*I don't know how the high IQ Ashkenazi Jews fit in this. I find that "Sabra" (native-born) Israelis can be quite daring. There is a great deal of a culture of elan and daring among the males (being a commando or a fighter pilot is highly desired) in Israel. On the other hand, Diaspora Jews seem to be what van Creveld calls "Men without Chests." I suppose this may point to the possibility that whatever the genetics, a culture of daring can be constructed with the right conditions.
**I know the white nationalist crowd goes gaga occasionally for the Japanese as "honorary whites" (to the extent that they do about any non-whites), a notion that seems to originate from the earlier days of the 20th Century when Japan was the only major industrial and military power in Asia. But today I find that Korean males are far more daring than Japanese males are. The Japanese do not have to serve in the military (or the "Self-Defense Forces") and are usually dogmatic pacifsts. Lee Kuan Yew, usually astute on such matter, reputedly said that "A Korean is tougher than a Japanese, but as a group the Japanese beat the Koreans."
While I was in East Asia, I have seen with my own eyes extreme acts of daring and insanity performed by certain military units of South Korea (ROK). Not so much with the Japanese SDFs. Whatever spirit of daring they once had, it seems to have been sucked out by 70 years of enforced pacifism in Japan.Replies: @Ozymandias, @Anonymous, @AndrewR
It’s beyond obvious that the relative toughness of Koreans compared to Japs is in large part due to their respective geopolitical situations. Koreans face a real existential threat (from their own cousins on the opposite side of a completely arbitrary line) that the Japanese simply do not.
First person to reach the North Pole: White Robert Edwin Peary.
First person to reach the South Pole: White Roald Amundsen.
First person to reach Mount Everest: White Edmund Hillary.
Person who reached the ocean's deepest point: White James Cameron.
First person to jump out of an aircraft with a parachute: White Grant Norton or White Captain Albert Bering (It's disputed).
And numerous others.Replies: @5371
[Person who reached the ocean’s deepest point: White James Cameron.]
Ain’t Hollywood grand? You’ve never heard of Piccard and Walsh, though they did it more than fifty years earlier.
It’s a bit more (or, perhaps, less) subtle than that: the Japanese are Honorary Aryans.
There is a real and indeed rather thrilling point to being any sort of Aryan; who, on the other hand, would be pleased or thrilled to be called an Honorary Portuguese?
And what would be the point of it? Because we all know what the point of Aryanism is, honorary or otherwise.
Today, not too many. 500 years ago, pretty much everybody.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
One of those drunk Russians was Yuri Gargarin. V brave, but the booze finally caught up with him.
At least he wasn’t American. Just think of the cheesey Hollywood biopics starring guys like Tom Cruise or Colin Farrell.
Perhaps we should encourage Whites to take up external mayhem, and Blacks, the internalized sort?Replies: @Socially Extinct, @Eustace Tilley (not)
Change to “Not quite sure what this all implies.”
When I read about this and prior to his attempt, I thought to myself, only a White guy would do this…..lol. If we look into the history of the X-games and the pioneers of Skateboarding, Snowboarding, BMX……White and more White
The Japanese “men” must have a lot of free time and money for this kind of nonsense, since they apparently don’t bother having CHILDREN any more.
Because the Chinese wouldn’t love to get revenge by stomping on the Japanese if the US weren’t there to deter?
“White people do exciting sh*t boring, and black people do boring sh*t exciting. We will skateboard volcanoes and base-jump off a canyon but cause someone to fall asleep when we explain it to them.
“Black guys can do nothing all day, but when you hear them explain their day, it sounds like they’ve been skateboarding volcanoes.” –
Colin Quinn, “The Coloring Book: A Comedian Solves Race Relations in America” (2015)
Moreover, there are only so many times one can enjoy being regaled with a tale of basketball followed by purple drank and ho's.
How about the 100,000s of Africans trying to cross the Mediterranean crammed into top heavy boats?Replies: @iSteveFan, @Pericles, @peterike, @Gato de la Biblioteca
A stunt is something you do for the simple thrill of it, without necessity. The Africans crossing the Med feel, rightly or wrongly, that getting the Hell out of Africa is worth the potential risk to life & limb, and isn’t being done simply for kicks.
Now the Europeans inviting them in, on the other hand…..
Now that’s pushing it.
Steve, I agree with most of the commentators that on average Whites seem to be more oriented to risk taking and less risk averse than the other races.
I am about your age Steve. Growing up, I can remember going rock climbing and roof jumping (jumping from roof to roof of buildings) as a young teenager. I and all my friends were all Whites from various European backgrounds. Some of my friends really loved doing these dangerous activities. Me not so much. I went because of peer pressure and soon realized that some of my friends were “wired” differently than me. What they found exciting, exhilarating, and fun I found …well…quite frightening and dangerous at times.
Nowadays these same type of kids go base jumping.
But what is the difference really between lack of risk aversion and just plain old fashioned recklessness?
My point is ….did you ever wonder how this psychological and cultural fact of low risk aversion in Whites factors into our national policies which you so impressively write about?
Let’s invite into our country millions of third world immigrants from a foreign culture….who cares what could possibly go wrong? What are you afraid of?
Let’s invade a bunch of countries in the Middles East who are not bothering us …..who cares what could possibly go wrong? What are you afraid of?
Let’s adopt a policy of free trade while other second and third world countries practice mercantilism….hey lets roll with it and see what happens. What are you afraid of?
I think the point is that this low risk aversion in Whites manifests itself as a willingness to listen to dubious self serving ideas from Wall Street and bought and paid for politicians and ignore obvious risks that might cause people from other cultures and races to balk or dismiss the ideas as too risky.
In other words, it appears it might be easier to convince Westerners to be an accomplice in their own demise or other self-destructive acts because they have such a low aversion to risk.
Because we have a hostile elite, as Ron and you have so eloquently shown in your writings, our psychology serves as a perfect foil for them. It’s like taking candy from a baby.
Many Whites who see the risks of these untried policies have gone along with them from peer pressure less they seem cowardly (or worse racist).
Interestingly, this low aversion to risk in Whites also appears to be related to optimism (excessive on average IMO) and a strong desire for thrills and novelty (again excessive on average IMO).
To put crudely:
Blacks: low risk aversion/low IQ
Whites: low risk aversion/high IQ
East Asians: high risk aversion/high IQ
Now, note that these are archetypes - in actuality, there are spectra of such traits across groups of people, and there are overlaps among the groups. Furthermore, some overlapping areas are bigger (more convergent) than others, e.g. IQ spectra for whites and East Asians.Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Unzerker
If the US military withdrew from Japan tomorrow, Japan would very heavily invest in its military, which is already surprisingly formidable, and make the costs of Chinese aggression extremely high.
However, in terms of Japan's ability to survive against China, they can invest all the money they want and build a big Air Force ASAP, and they'll still be eliminated or occupied-and-brutalized if China wants it bad enough.
Being an island, Japan is especially easily surrounded by China's growing navy and then basically starved out. And China can afford to lose, easily, five men for every one the Japs lose, if China insists on a full-scale invasion.
The only way for Japan to effectively deter China seems to be nuclear weapons. Scary, but maybe that is the right answer for them and for keeping the peace.
Guess white men are so dispirited, Steve had to raise their pride through this propaganda post.
If you believe yourself, you really need others praise very much.Replies: @yowza
wouldn’t amount to much. Besides, the germans were doing much the same towards the end of the war, but they were more creative. They attempted to save their own lives after ramming a plane.
Americans during WWII pulled a few doozy’s. Read about Joe Kennedy Jr.
Sorry about your grammar, but at least it’s evidence that Steve recognizes the retard vote.
You lost the debate, and you’re trying to stick around to save face.
Your history lesson of Japan is irrelevant, since the debate was about parity in world contributions to modern civilization. This doesn’t require an eyeglass, it requires a scale. The scale tells us the Japanese are relative lightweights.
So, as it is, they aren’t our peers. They’re worthy of respect, certainly, but not as co-leads on the stage of world history.
And finally, the cheap shot contending that I get my self-esteem by vague proxy is false, as you know. It would be an accurate criticism if I were, say, Japanese, boasting of the past feats initiated and completed by white Americans, simply because I was American.
As it is, I’m white, of western european stock, my gene pool reaching about, and improving mankind in spite of itself, like committed army ants just doing their thing. It’s not a matter to take pride in, rather it’s a matter of fact.
But that’s not just me staring lovingly in the mirror. If immigration polls tallying the non-whites who would immigrate here if they could are correct, it’s a fair conclusion to make that everyone wants to be my friend.
And who could blame them?
I am–we are… the stuff that dreams are made of.
Your history lesson of Japan is irrelevant, since the debate was about parity in world contributions to modern civilization. This doesn't require an eyeglass, it requires a scale. The scale tells us the Japanese are relative lightweights.
So, as it is, they aren't our peers. They're worthy of respect, certainly, but not as co-leads on the stage of world history.
And finally, the cheap shot contending that I get my self-esteem by vague proxy is false, as you know. It would be an accurate criticism if I were, say, Japanese, boasting of the past feats initiated and completed by white Americans, simply because I was American.
As it is, I'm white, of western european stock, my gene pool reaching about, and improving mankind in spite of itself, like committed army ants just doing their thing. It's not a matter to take pride in, rather it's a matter of fact.
But that's not just me staring lovingly in the mirror. If immigration polls tallying the non-whites who would immigrate here if they could are correct, it's a fair conclusion to make that everyone wants to be my friend.
And who could blame them?
I am–we are... the stuff that dreams are made of.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR
Xenophobic Japan pre-1853 was one of the few places outside the West that was making steady progress. For example, the oldest continuous sports statistics in the world go back to 18th Century sumo wrestling.
Ask yourself, if all whites died from a virus 500 years ago, would the Japanese, or any other race, have picked up the slack? Or would north america be a chaotic camel-ridden nation of eurasians and their millions of indian slaves?
For much of pre-modern history, Japan was often quite behind the scientific achievements of the East Asian continental powers, i.e. China and Korea. For example, during the 16th Century war with China and Korea, Japan's army, which had been toughened by an intense civil war and European technological imports (i.e. arquebuses) was able to defeat the armies of the continent with ease. However, despite being an island nation, Japan's native naval technology was so behind that of even Korea, a Chinese tributary, that the Korean navy with only a few ships was able to decimate the Japanese navy, putting an end to Japan's continental imperial dreams until the 20th Century.
On the other hand, Japan's scientifc progress, if often behind that of China and Korea, was "steadier" because as an island nation it enjoyed protection from external invasions. Once it was unified after the Sengoku Jidai, it enjoyed a single national government and domestic stability until the Meiji Restoration.No. It's merely better known in the West.Replies: @colm
Your history lesson of Japan is irrelevant, since the debate was about parity in world contributions to modern civilization. This doesn't require an eyeglass, it requires a scale. The scale tells us the Japanese are relative lightweights.
So, as it is, they aren't our peers. They're worthy of respect, certainly, but not as co-leads on the stage of world history.
And finally, the cheap shot contending that I get my self-esteem by vague proxy is false, as you know. It would be an accurate criticism if I were, say, Japanese, boasting of the past feats initiated and completed by white Americans, simply because I was American.
As it is, I'm white, of western european stock, my gene pool reaching about, and improving mankind in spite of itself, like committed army ants just doing their thing. It's not a matter to take pride in, rather it's a matter of fact.
But that's not just me staring lovingly in the mirror. If immigration polls tallying the non-whites who would immigrate here if they could are correct, it's a fair conclusion to make that everyone wants to be my friend.
And who could blame them?
I am–we are... the stuff that dreams are made of.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AndrewR
I really doubt that your genes are improving anything.
Yes, you are right, I’d expect Japan to do that too. And I imagine we agree that the USA should stop shouldering the burden of Japan’s defense.
However, in terms of Japan’s ability to survive against China, they can invest all the money they want and build a big Air Force ASAP, and they’ll still be eliminated or occupied-and-brutalized if China wants it bad enough.
Being an island, Japan is especially easily surrounded by China’s growing navy and then basically starved out. And China can afford to lose, easily, five men for every one the Japs lose, if China insists on a full-scale invasion.
The only way for Japan to effectively deter China seems to be nuclear weapons. Scary, but maybe that is the right answer for them and for keeping the peace.
"Black guys can do nothing all day, but when you hear them explain their day, it sounds like they’ve been skateboarding volcanoes." -
Colin Quinn, "The Coloring Book: A Comedian Solves Race Relations in America" (2015)Replies: @RadicalCenter
Disagree entirely. Blacks generally aren’t articulate or intelligent enough to tell a riveting or even interesting story.
Moreover, there are only so many times one can enjoy being regaled with a tale of basketball followed by purple drank and ho’s.
Such as timepieces that were copied from the Dutch? Does rangakun ring a bell? Of the Japanese were doing so well before 1853 why did they need the meiji reforms and to fight a civil war with the tokugawa in the first place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangaku
Korea is a Chinese tributary that had to be rescued by the Chinese from the Japanese twice, the 2nd time the Chinese lost.
I’ve discovered your superpower: to express every thought regardless of it’s relevance. Instead of a bat cave, you fight crime from your secret section 8 apartment in Hesperia. The police commissioner signals to you via dirt devils. Your favorite color is bees.
“Does rangakun ring a bell?” The correct spelling is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangaku
The Japanese deserve respect. As human beings, they are our peers. As contributors to the building of modern civilization as we know and love it, they are not–even with accurate Sumo wrestling records.
Ask yourself, if all whites died from a virus 500 years ago, would the Japanese, or any other race, have picked up the slack? Or would north america be a chaotic camel-ridden nation of eurasians and their millions of indian slaves?
That’s not quite true, and is in fact deceptive in the use of the term “steady progress.”
For much of pre-modern history, Japan was often quite behind the scientific achievements of the East Asian continental powers, i.e. China and Korea. For example, during the 16th Century war with China and Korea, Japan’s army, which had been toughened by an intense civil war and European technological imports (i.e. arquebuses) was able to defeat the armies of the continent with ease. However, despite being an island nation, Japan’s native naval technology was so behind that of even Korea, a Chinese tributary, that the Korean navy with only a few ships was able to decimate the Japanese navy, putting an end to Japan’s continental imperial dreams until the 20th Century.
On the other hand, Japan’s scientifc progress, if often behind that of China and Korea, was “steadier” because as an island nation it enjoyed protection from external invasions. Once it was unified after the Sengoku Jidai, it enjoyed a single national government and domestic stability until the Meiji Restoration.
No. It’s merely better known in the West.
Without him, Japan would probably have conquered China and would have been a big obstacle of Western domination of Asia.Replies: @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke
This appears to involve some level of risk
And when was the last time America went back to the moon…? Yeah.
I am about your age Steve. Growing up, I can remember going rock climbing and roof jumping (jumping from roof to roof of buildings) as a young teenager. I and all my friends were all Whites from various European backgrounds. Some of my friends really loved doing these dangerous activities. Me not so much. I went because of peer pressure and soon realized that some of my friends were "wired" differently than me. What they found exciting, exhilarating, and fun I found ...well...quite frightening and dangerous at times.
Nowadays these same type of kids go base jumping.
But what is the difference really between lack of risk aversion and just plain old fashioned recklessness?
My point is ....did you ever wonder how this psychological and cultural fact of low risk aversion in Whites factors into our national policies which you so impressively write about?
Let's invite into our country millions of third world immigrants from a foreign culture....who cares what could possibly go wrong? What are you afraid of?
Let's invade a bunch of countries in the Middles East who are not bothering us .....who cares what could possibly go wrong? What are you afraid of?
Let's adopt a policy of free trade while other second and third world countries practice mercantilism....hey lets roll with it and see what happens. What are you afraid of?
I think the point is that this low risk aversion in Whites manifests itself as a willingness to listen to dubious self serving ideas from Wall Street and bought and paid for politicians and ignore obvious risks that might cause people from other cultures and races to balk or dismiss the ideas as too risky.
In other words, it appears it might be easier to convince Westerners to be an accomplice in their own demise or other self-destructive acts because they have such a low aversion to risk.
Because we have a hostile elite, as Ron and you have so eloquently shown in your writings, our psychology serves as a perfect foil for them. It's like taking candy from a baby.
Many Whites who see the risks of these untried policies have gone along with them from peer pressure less they seem cowardly (or worse racist).
Interestingly, this low aversion to risk in Whites also appears to be related to optimism (excessive on average IMO) and a strong desire for thrills and novelty (again excessive on average IMO).Replies: @Twinkie
That is not quite the case. Blacks are much more risk-oriented/less risk-averse than whites, but they are also of lower IQ.
To put crudely:
Blacks: low risk aversion/low IQ
Whites: low risk aversion/high IQ
East Asians: high risk aversion/high IQ
Now, note that these are archetypes – in actuality, there are spectra of such traits across groups of people, and there are overlaps among the groups. Furthermore, some overlapping areas are bigger (more convergent) than others, e.g. IQ spectra for whites and East Asians.
I wonder if there is any data, clinical or otherwise, of whatever quality, that confirms them?
If one wishes to get more "granular" in one's empirical observations, it may be possible to identify qualitative differences in the types of risk aversion (or lack thereof) displayed by the various groups. For example risk-aversion in regards to personal physical safety, risk-aversion in regard to personal finances, aversion to short-term vs. long term risk, and so on. Grist for an evening of judicious speculation over drinks, methinks.
Data, of course, would be preferable and more fascinating.Replies: @Twinkie
To put crudely:
Blacks: low risk aversion/low IQ
Whites: low risk aversion/high IQ
East Asians: high risk aversion/high IQ
Now, note that these are archetypes - in actuality, there are spectra of such traits across groups of people, and there are overlaps among the groups. Furthermore, some overlapping areas are bigger (more convergent) than others, e.g. IQ spectra for whites and East Asians.Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Unzerker
Those crude trade-offs are what I’ve observed over the decades.
I wonder if there is any data, clinical or otherwise, of whatever quality, that confirms them?
If one wishes to get more “granular” in one’s empirical observations, it may be possible to identify qualitative differences in the types of risk aversion (or lack thereof) displayed by the various groups. For example risk-aversion in regards to personal physical safety, risk-aversion in regard to personal finances, aversion to short-term vs. long term risk, and so on. Grist for an evening of judicious speculation over drinks, methinks.
Data, of course, would be preferable and more fascinating.
To put crudely:
Blacks: low risk aversion/low IQ
Whites: low risk aversion/high IQ
East Asians: high risk aversion/high IQ
Now, note that these are archetypes - in actuality, there are spectra of such traits across groups of people, and there are overlaps among the groups. Furthermore, some overlapping areas are bigger (more convergent) than others, e.g. IQ spectra for whites and East Asians.Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Unzerker
I wouldn’t say that blacks have low risk aversion. They have low impulse control which leads to very dangerous situations, but that’s a different thing.
How do blacks do with heights?
In general, mountain climbing has always had a strong class and IQ correlation, so it’s a little hard to tell what the racial aspect is.
The most important climber of the early 20th Century was probably Prince Luigi Amedeo, Duke of the Abruzzi.
One of the top climbing clubs in SoCal is at Caltech.
You know this is interesting.
In my original comment I was going to mention that we had a couple of Black friends who never joined us in our activities like rock climbing and roof jumping . I sensed (looking back) that there there was an unspoken assumption that they were just not interested.
On the other hand I remembered that these Blacks were not perceived as cowardly, because they were considered tough guys who were involved in some activities like dealing weed (this was the seventies!) which were considered fairly dangerous at the time (you could get ripped off or arrested).
Maybe Blacks don't like heights ( as you suggest might be the case) just like they don't like the outdoors?
Or maybe they don't see the point in risking their neck for some thrills, but do see it as worthwhile if a payout involves money?
One thing in this context to remember is that a lot of Blacks (even the ones I was friendly with who were essentially law abiding types) even in the seventies knew other Blacks (cousins or friends of friends etc...) who had been to prison or who were criminals so law breaking may not have seemed that dangerous to them. I know this was true because several of them mentioned to me that they knew someone who had been to prison or was a professional criminal
(usually a distant cousin or a friend of a friend). I remember at the time I thought it was strange, because none of my Whites relatives or even friends of friends had been to jail or were professional criminals. The same thing was true of most Whites I knew (none of us knew people who had been to prison or were professional criminals).
Since most Whites at that period of time in America knew no one who had been to prison or were professional criminals, breaking the law for these Whites might have seemed like a more dangerous thing to risk doing.
Perhaps because of cultural factors Blacks didn't perceive breaking the law as particularly risky because they had relatives or friends of friends that either were in jail or making a good living breaking the law. Thus, they may have thought that the risk of being arrested was low and the benefits high, or that the consequences, prison, was either not that likely or not all that bad as some people thought.
So maybe different cultural factors lead to different risk assessments, and Black were actually more risk averse than Whites regarding their evaluation of the risks associated with law breaking(because of different cultural experiences prison didn't seem particularly risky to Blacks but did to Whites)?
There is a real and indeed rather thrilling point to being any sort of Aryan; who, on the other hand, would be pleased or thrilled to be called an Honorary Portuguese?
And what would be the point of it? Because we all know what the point of Aryanism is, honorary or otherwise.Replies: @Brutusale
“There is a real and indeed rather thrilling point to being any sort of Aryan; who, on the other hand, would be pleased or thrilled to be called an Honorary Portuguese?”
Today, not too many. 500 years ago, pretty much everybody.
Risk aversion and impulse control are correlated and likely come from the same source in the mind. The reason low risk aversion is expressed differently between blacks and whites, I suspect, is largely due to the large IQ difference.
I wonder if there is any data, clinical or otherwise, of whatever quality, that confirms them?
If one wishes to get more "granular" in one's empirical observations, it may be possible to identify qualitative differences in the types of risk aversion (or lack thereof) displayed by the various groups. For example risk-aversion in regards to personal physical safety, risk-aversion in regard to personal finances, aversion to short-term vs. long term risk, and so on. Grist for an evening of judicious speculation over drinks, methinks.
Data, of course, would be preferable and more fascinating.Replies: @Twinkie
Rushton and Lynn probably had a thing or two to say about it. Off memory, I think Lynn found that blacks had a lower seatbelt use rate than whites, but East Asians (“Orientals” as Lynn called them) a had higher rate, a proxy measure for what Lynn termed “recklessness.”
I would not have been able to guess. But now I can see the point. That White people dare and test the limits. Nice point. I can see that this is an important issue because it shows where progress comes from
I want to know who these crazy camera crews are, and why they always seem to survive everything.
It is just another Japanese mimicking a daredevil stunt.
Even during the Shogunate era, a lot of Japanese sailors would do daredevil stuff by sailing the farthest without getting the wrath of the constables (at that time Japanese were forbidden from leaving that country).
Some of them would push too far, and ended up in Russia or America. They would be returned to Japan after a loooong journey and would be imprisoned for the rest of their lives for ‘landing in white devil countries’, although in later Shogunate, as the info on western countries became valuable, these people would be more honored (one of them , John Manjiro , became quite wealthy teaching English to the feudal lords who suddenly decided learning English was cool after Commodore Perry’s visit in 1852).
Steve and Twinkie,
You know this is interesting.
In my original comment I was going to mention that we had a couple of Black friends who never joined us in our activities like rock climbing and roof jumping . I sensed (looking back) that there there was an unspoken assumption that they were just not interested.
On the other hand I remembered that these Blacks were not perceived as cowardly, because they were considered tough guys who were involved in some activities like dealing weed (this was the seventies!) which were considered fairly dangerous at the time (you could get ripped off or arrested).
Maybe Blacks don’t like heights ( as you suggest might be the case) just like they don’t like the outdoors?
Or maybe they don’t see the point in risking their neck for some thrills, but do see it as worthwhile if a payout involves money?
One thing in this context to remember is that a lot of Blacks (even the ones I was friendly with who were essentially law abiding types) even in the seventies knew other Blacks (cousins or friends of friends etc…) who had been to prison or who were criminals so law breaking may not have seemed that dangerous to them. I know this was true because several of them mentioned to me that they knew someone who had been to prison or was a professional criminal
(usually a distant cousin or a friend of a friend). I remember at the time I thought it was strange, because none of my Whites relatives or even friends of friends had been to jail or were professional criminals. The same thing was true of most Whites I knew (none of us knew people who had been to prison or were professional criminals).
Since most Whites at that period of time in America knew no one who had been to prison or were professional criminals, breaking the law for these Whites might have seemed like a more dangerous thing to risk doing.
Perhaps because of cultural factors Blacks didn’t perceive breaking the law as particularly risky because they had relatives or friends of friends that either were in jail or making a good living breaking the law. Thus, they may have thought that the risk of being arrested was low and the benefits high, or that the consequences, prison, was either not that likely or not all that bad as some people thought.
So maybe different cultural factors lead to different risk assessments, and Black were actually more risk averse than Whites regarding their evaluation of the risks associated with law breaking(because of different cultural experiences prison didn’t seem particularly risky to Blacks but did to Whites)?
For much of pre-modern history, Japan was often quite behind the scientific achievements of the East Asian continental powers, i.e. China and Korea. For example, during the 16th Century war with China and Korea, Japan's army, which had been toughened by an intense civil war and European technological imports (i.e. arquebuses) was able to defeat the armies of the continent with ease. However, despite being an island nation, Japan's native naval technology was so behind that of even Korea, a Chinese tributary, that the Korean navy with only a few ships was able to decimate the Japanese navy, putting an end to Japan's continental imperial dreams until the 20th Century.
On the other hand, Japan's scientifc progress, if often behind that of China and Korea, was "steadier" because as an island nation it enjoyed protection from external invasions. Once it was unified after the Sengoku Jidai, it enjoyed a single national government and domestic stability until the Meiji Restoration.No. It's merely better known in the West.Replies: @colm
That Korean naval prowess, which was the one and only time Korea had any kind of navy, was more like a ‘lucky shot’. Will and Ariel Durant called the person who led the Korean navy at that time a ‘villainous Korean’.
Without him, Japan would probably have conquered China and would have been a big obstacle of Western domination of Asia.
And the third time they did win (of sorts) on 1951.
Every street fight I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen quite a few, blacks fight in a cowardly style. They generally won’t fight unless they think they have friends to intervene if they start losing, or otherwise believe they have the major upper hand in their minds. Even the ladies will jump in. I don’t think it’s a willingness to assume risk. I think it’s just stupid decision making.
I recall once in high school, one of the biggest, scariest black guys I’ve ever seen, had pissed off a large mexican during the school day. The mexican was an extremely nice guy, unless you pissed him off. Then we would go absolutely primevel. It was scary to watch.
After school we came across the giant black guy hiding behind a doorway. One of his friends said, “hey, Jeremy! Juan is over there! He’s ready to fight!’ Jeremy said, “I know! I know!” and sprinted down the street in the opposite direction.
Funny as hell. He knew, that his friends knew, that if they stepped into the fight, other mexicans would jump in and beat the hell out of them, so he was on his own. So there would be no fight.
This is pretty classic on what to expect with black risk taking:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=658_1466402791
You pretty much just described war, Old Sport.Replies: @Elbin
Moon landings are like erecting the world’s tallest building. A challenge, and something to brag about, but otherwise pointless. And expensive.
Today, not too many. 500 years ago, pretty much everybody.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Henry and his brothers were half English.
Obviously, none of you have heard of the Old Negro Space Program.
Perhaps if you had, you wouldn’t be so opinionated about black folks who take risks.
You’re welcome:
“Much of white nationalist tripe about the uniqueness of whites mirrors that of Korean or Japanese obsession with their own uniquess.”
You seem to parrot a lot of the same “tripe” when you speak about how fortunate you were to marry a German -American.
Do you have any other stupid personal attacks?Replies: @Truth
I recall once in high school, one of the biggest, scariest black guys I've ever seen, had pissed off a large mexican during the school day. The mexican was an extremely nice guy, unless you pissed him off. Then we would go absolutely primevel. It was scary to watch.
After school we came across the giant black guy hiding behind a doorway. One of his friends said, "hey, Jeremy! Juan is over there! He's ready to fight!' Jeremy said, "I know! I know!" and sprinted down the street in the opposite direction.
Funny as hell. He knew, that his friends knew, that if they stepped into the fight, other mexicans would jump in and beat the hell out of them, so he was on his own. So there would be no fight.
This is pretty classic on what to expect with black risk taking:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=658_1466402791Replies: @Truth
“Every street fight I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen quite a few, blacks fight in a cowardly style. They generally won’t fight unless they think they have friends to intervene if they start losing, or otherwise believe they have the major upper hand in their minds.”
You pretty much just described war, Old Sport.
I would have called it the inevitable outcome of forced integration of incompatible cultures, but it is indeed, the same hing.Replies: @Twinkie, @Truth
You pretty much just described war, Old Sport.Replies: @Elbin
“You pretty much just described war, Old Sport.”
I would have called it the inevitable outcome of forced integration of incompatible cultures, but it is indeed, the same hing.
Apparently when black thugs gang up on a hapless white or Asian victim, it's "war," but if technologically advanced whites or Asians out-compete the blacks in a civilized setting, it's "oppression" or "institutional racism."
Apparently, life is whatever black people say it is.Replies: @Truth
Do you feel that Germans should be now legally prevented from crossing the border?
“In my original comment I was going to mention that we had a couple of Black friends who never joined us in our activities like rock climbing and roof jumping.”
I’ve noticed that if there’s a police officer with an arrest warrant, many blacks take to rock climbing and roof jumping like seasoned Olympic champions.
I think we would have gone back to the moon, at least to set up a base for Mars launches. That is at least what one of Apollo 11’s crew thought (Collins). My learning partner thought we stopped it because NASA was turning into an outreach program for minorities, and their incompetence was causing disasters, so NASA simply decided to scrub future missions.
Without him, Japan would probably have conquered China and would have been a big obstacle of Western domination of Asia.Replies: @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke
Nothing lucky about it. The Koreans of the era had a much more developed maritime technology than the Japanese did. The latter only had small ships designed for raiding and small-scale transport/commerce. The former had large ocean-going ships that were based on Chinese designs and much improved by the Koreans. The Korean ships also had far superior cannons. Although Admiral Yi Sun-sin’s genius was crucial, he could not have defeated a fleet of 100-300 Japanese with only 13 of his own without the significant technological disparity.
Yi was “villainous” in the way Horatio Nelso was villainous to the French imperial dream.
Unlikely. Hideyoshi could not even conquer and pacify Korea, let alone China. He was a megalomaniac who caused much suffering among the Koreans AND his own countrymen.
Korea has contributed nothing to the world other than Gangnam Style, and no one would have mourned its death.
Yes, what Yi did was extremely beneficial to the West, but he really f'ked up Asia. Like everything Korea does.
You seem to parrot a lot of the same "tripe" when you speak about how fortunate you were to marry a German -American.Replies: @Twinkie
I am indeed very fortunate to have married an exceptional American woman of chastity, grace, and grit – one who is a credit to her family. She is not German. Her ancestry is mostly a mixture of German, Swedish, and English.
Do you have any other stupid personal attacks?
Let me print your, in my humble opinion, retort to save you the time:
"I do not want to identify my heritage because if I tell you where my grandmother and grandfather came from, you will be able to find me and my family."
*To be perfectly honest you do spend as much time promoting Korean males as the standard of masculinity as you white females as the standard of femininity. You are an odd, albeit somewhat interesting poster indeed.
BTW, I am, as I have indicated numerous times, of 3/4 West African and 1/4 Ashkenazi heritage.Replies: @Twinkie
I would have called it the inevitable outcome of forced integration of incompatible cultures, but it is indeed, the same hing.Replies: @Twinkie, @Truth
Indeed.
Apparently when black thugs gang up on a hapless white or Asian victim, it’s “war,” but if technologically advanced whites or Asians out-compete the blacks in a civilized setting, it’s “oppression” or “institutional racism.”
Apparently, life is whatever black people say it is.
Do you have any other stupid personal attacks?Replies: @Truth
I’ve levied no attack, and I do not see where a man who claims to be a literal “genius” would see one; I did not insult you or your wife. I made a point based upon a few years of personal observation that you feel as though you have married up, and seem to promote you wife’s family heritage above your own. Case in point, you have identified her heritage multiple times, but NEVER to my knowledge, you own. What else is to be inferred from this?*
Let me print your, in my humble opinion, retort to save you the time:
“I do not want to identify my heritage because if I tell you where my grandmother and grandfather came from, you will be able to find me and my family.”
*To be perfectly honest you do spend as much time promoting Korean males as the standard of masculinity as you white females as the standard of femininity. You are an odd, albeit somewhat interesting poster indeed.
BTW, I am, as I have indicated numerous times, of 3/4 West African and 1/4 Ashkenazi heritage.
Furthermore, I do not think white females are the avatars of femininity. In my experience, I have found East Asians women to be far more feminine than modern Western women, many of who seem to suffer from the effects of radical feminism. But, for my own preference, I find a lot of East Asian women juvenile and overly delicate. The first time I went bird hunting with my wife (then girlfriend) and saw the way she handled her 12 gauge Beretta Over-and-Under, I knew I was on the right track.Congratulations, you are the physical embodiment of what Steve Sailer calls "the coalition of the high and the low." More low than high in your case.Replies: @Truth
I would have called it the inevitable outcome of forced integration of incompatible cultures, but it is indeed, the same hing.Replies: @Twinkie, @Truth
The Nazi invasion of Poland could easily be described as ‘inevitable outcome of forced integration of incompatible cultures.”
Do you feel that Germans should be now legally prevented from crossing the border?
Apparently when black thugs gang up on a hapless white or Asian victim, it's "war," but if technologically advanced whites or Asians out-compete the blacks in a civilized setting, it's "oppression" or "institutional racism."
Apparently, life is whatever black people say it is.Replies: @Truth
There is “institutional racism” as well as “outcompetition.” I see no evidence that the two terms should be mutually exclusive, of course, you claim a much higher IQ than I do, so if you come up with a good reason they should, I will be happy to defer to your intellect.
The good half, right?
Without him, Japan would probably have conquered China and would have been a big obstacle of Western domination of Asia.Replies: @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke
As historians go, Will Durant was a dilettante. Here’s a fuller account of what actually happened. Japan was repelled by a fraction of the Ming dynasty’s resources, in alliance with the Korean kingdom’s forces. While Korean historiography naturally emphasizes the role of native troops and Admiral Lee Sun-shin, it was a small Ming expeditionary force of 50,000 men that pushed Japan all the way from Pyongyang to Seoul, thereby preventing the Korean resistance from having to stage its comeback from Chinese bases. At its peak, Ming forces on the peninsula numbered no more than 118,000 men. Note that the Japanese spent much of the war huddled in their fortresses near Pusan, the southern tip of the peninsula. By the end, it wasn’t a remotely close contest – the Japanese high command were merely looking for any excuse to get out of the war with as many men as they could salvage. They got it when the Japanese shogun, Hideyoshi, passed away. The final battle of the campaign, where Admiral Lee was mortally wounded, was a fighting retreat and an attempt by Hideyoshi’s daimyos to salvage what troops and equipment they could from the war.
1. Rather like the Americans in World War II, the Chinese expeditionary force showed up after the Japanese had already been exhausted by Korean resistance and its supply lines had been disrupted by the Korean naval successes.
2. Korean historiography emphasizes the corruption and the incompetence of the Korean institutional army (which indeed crumbled on contact with the Japanese forces on multiple occasions) and valorizes the eventual rise of the guerilla forces, with some justification. On several occasions, Korean forces made up of country gentry, their retainers, and patriotic monks were able to fight doggedly and repel Japanese attackers from their fortifications, something that the regular Korean army failed to do.
3. Not just Korean historiography, but *Japanese* historiography notes the decisive importance of their naval losses as the reason why the two invasions failed. Much of the credit goes to Admiral Yi Sun-sin, but much less heralded is the fact that the Korean (Chinese-derived and improved) naval technology and gunnery were considerably more advanced than anything the Japanese possessed.
4. Considering that the initial Japanese invasion force was about 150,000 men, a significant number of who died prior to the Ming intervention and since reinforcements were frequently interdicted by the Koreans, an intervention force of 50,000 to 118,000 was rather sizable.
5. The quality of Ming troops was actually quite poor. In the initial battle between the Ming and the Japanese forces, the latter was able to rout the former with ease.
The Japanese had been exceptionally battle-hardened by the civil war, and, after acquiring the arquebus from the Europeans, independently developed volley-firing (e.g. the Battle of Nagashino) ahead of the Dutch in their revolt against the Spanish Habsburgs. And not only were their forces quite elite, their operational art of war on land was also orders of magnitude greater than that of the Chinese and the Koreans. The Japanese forces only relied on cavalry for reconnaissance and pursuit and operated independent detachments of combined-arms infantry with excellent delegated command structure. The Koreans and the Chinese armies still essentially operated as a large mob and frequently relied on cavalry charges (which usually failed disastrously).
Where the Chinese and the Koreans held advantages on land was siege warfare. The Japanese never developed a significant artillery force, and suffered mightily to the Chinese and Korean cannons during attacks and defense of fortresses. Due to their low mobility, however, the cannons were of lesser importance in field battles, in which the Japanese usually held the upper hand.Replies: @Johann Ricke
Let me print your, in my humble opinion, retort to save you the time:
"I do not want to identify my heritage because if I tell you where my grandmother and grandfather came from, you will be able to find me and my family."
*To be perfectly honest you do spend as much time promoting Korean males as the standard of masculinity as you white females as the standard of femininity. You are an odd, albeit somewhat interesting poster indeed.
BTW, I am, as I have indicated numerous times, of 3/4 West African and 1/4 Ashkenazi heritage.Replies: @Twinkie
I am sure you meant well by your remarks earlier. Yes, that was sarcasm. You think you are being sly, but are painfully transparent.
My marriage is one of equals in many ways. However, in terms of social standing in the United States, yes, I married “up” since I was a first-generation immigrant whereas her family is a distinguished American one of long standing. Although I come from an honorable and ancient family in East Asia with a history of over a thousand years, that does not factor into much in terms of American social standing. So I do feel privileged to have been blessed by her family to marry her and to have been accepted as a son. And I honor my own heritage by raising (hopefully) generations of honorable, God-fearing patriots in this country who thereby do my family history and legacy credit.
That I wish to remain somewhat anonymous. People of German, Swedish, and English ancestry are fairly common and large in number. I give you my ancestry and the chance of being identified increases exponentially. I am just not quite that comfortable with sharing my real identity online. And unless you are willing to give your real name and location online, saying that you are 3/4 black and 1/4 Jew doesn’t buy you any moral superiority.
Wrong. I assess Korean males to be the manliest in *East Asia.* I valorize Koreans because they assimilate well, are strongly Christian in the U.S., and serve our country as officers of the Armed Forces in large numbers, and are not afraid to fight off black criminals and looters when abandoned by the police and the cowardly politicians. That doesn’t make them “the standard of masculinity,” but that’s certainly manlier than some. Perhaps that assessment is an insecurity-based projection on your part. It also neither confirms nor denies whether I am Korean. All I have said on the matter is that I am not Chinese.
Furthermore, I do not think white females are the avatars of femininity. In my experience, I have found East Asians women to be far more feminine than modern Western women, many of who seem to suffer from the effects of radical feminism. But, for my own preference, I find a lot of East Asian women juvenile and overly delicate. The first time I went bird hunting with my wife (then girlfriend) and saw the way she handled her 12 gauge Beretta Over-and-Under, I knew I was on the right track.
Congratulations, you are the physical embodiment of what Steve Sailer calls “the coalition of the high and the low.” More low than high in your case.
You see, Big Ace, you can define the term; "personal insult." I'm going to have to tell my friends from Tech that they were wrong about all Stuyvesant guys being simple-minded bookworms and educated fools.
True enough, but…
1. Rather like the Americans in World War II, the Chinese expeditionary force showed up after the Japanese had already been exhausted by Korean resistance and its supply lines had been disrupted by the Korean naval successes.
2. Korean historiography emphasizes the corruption and the incompetence of the Korean institutional army (which indeed crumbled on contact with the Japanese forces on multiple occasions) and valorizes the eventual rise of the guerilla forces, with some justification. On several occasions, Korean forces made up of country gentry, their retainers, and patriotic monks were able to fight doggedly and repel Japanese attackers from their fortifications, something that the regular Korean army failed to do.
3. Not just Korean historiography, but *Japanese* historiography notes the decisive importance of their naval losses as the reason why the two invasions failed. Much of the credit goes to Admiral Yi Sun-sin, but much less heralded is the fact that the Korean (Chinese-derived and improved) naval technology and gunnery were considerably more advanced than anything the Japanese possessed.
4. Considering that the initial Japanese invasion force was about 150,000 men, a significant number of who died prior to the Ming intervention and since reinforcements were frequently interdicted by the Koreans, an intervention force of 50,000 to 118,000 was rather sizable.
5. The quality of Ming troops was actually quite poor. In the initial battle between the Ming and the Japanese forces, the latter was able to rout the former with ease.
The Japanese had been exceptionally battle-hardened by the civil war, and, after acquiring the arquebus from the Europeans, independently developed volley-firing (e.g. the Battle of Nagashino) ahead of the Dutch in their revolt against the Spanish Habsburgs. And not only were their forces quite elite, their operational art of war on land was also orders of magnitude greater than that of the Chinese and the Koreans. The Japanese forces only relied on cavalry for reconnaissance and pursuit and operated independent detachments of combined-arms infantry with excellent delegated command structure. The Koreans and the Chinese armies still essentially operated as a large mob and frequently relied on cavalry charges (which usually failed disastrously).
Where the Chinese and the Koreans held advantages on land was siege warfare. The Japanese never developed a significant artillery force, and suffered mightily to the Chinese and Korean cannons during attacks and defense of fortresses. Due to their low mobility, however, the cannons were of lesser importance in field battles, in which the Japanese usually held the upper hand.
Furthermore, I do not think white females are the avatars of femininity. In my experience, I have found East Asians women to be far more feminine than modern Western women, many of who seem to suffer from the effects of radical feminism. But, for my own preference, I find a lot of East Asian women juvenile and overly delicate. The first time I went bird hunting with my wife (then girlfriend) and saw the way she handled her 12 gauge Beretta Over-and-Under, I knew I was on the right track.Congratulations, you are the physical embodiment of what Steve Sailer calls "the coalition of the high and the low." More low than high in your case.Replies: @Truth
“Congratulations, you are the physical embodiment of what Steve Sailer calls “the coalition of the high and the low.” More low than high in your case.”
You see, Big Ace, you can define the term; “personal insult.” I’m going to have to tell my friends from Tech that they were wrong about all Stuyvesant guys being simple-minded bookworms and educated fools.
1. Rather like the Americans in World War II, the Chinese expeditionary force showed up after the Japanese had already been exhausted by Korean resistance and its supply lines had been disrupted by the Korean naval successes.
2. Korean historiography emphasizes the corruption and the incompetence of the Korean institutional army (which indeed crumbled on contact with the Japanese forces on multiple occasions) and valorizes the eventual rise of the guerilla forces, with some justification. On several occasions, Korean forces made up of country gentry, their retainers, and patriotic monks were able to fight doggedly and repel Japanese attackers from their fortifications, something that the regular Korean army failed to do.
3. Not just Korean historiography, but *Japanese* historiography notes the decisive importance of their naval losses as the reason why the two invasions failed. Much of the credit goes to Admiral Yi Sun-sin, but much less heralded is the fact that the Korean (Chinese-derived and improved) naval technology and gunnery were considerably more advanced than anything the Japanese possessed.
4. Considering that the initial Japanese invasion force was about 150,000 men, a significant number of who died prior to the Ming intervention and since reinforcements were frequently interdicted by the Koreans, an intervention force of 50,000 to 118,000 was rather sizable.
5. The quality of Ming troops was actually quite poor. In the initial battle between the Ming and the Japanese forces, the latter was able to rout the former with ease.
The Japanese had been exceptionally battle-hardened by the civil war, and, after acquiring the arquebus from the Europeans, independently developed volley-firing (e.g. the Battle of Nagashino) ahead of the Dutch in their revolt against the Spanish Habsburgs. And not only were their forces quite elite, their operational art of war on land was also orders of magnitude greater than that of the Chinese and the Koreans. The Japanese forces only relied on cavalry for reconnaissance and pursuit and operated independent detachments of combined-arms infantry with excellent delegated command structure. The Koreans and the Chinese armies still essentially operated as a large mob and frequently relied on cavalry charges (which usually failed disastrously).
Where the Chinese and the Koreans held advantages on land was siege warfare. The Japanese never developed a significant artillery force, and suffered mightily to the Chinese and Korean cannons during attacks and defense of fortresses. Due to their low mobility, however, the cannons were of lesser importance in field battles, in which the Japanese usually held the upper hand.Replies: @Johann Ricke
From the following account, this Ming incursion was merely a reconnaissance in force:
Ming forces presumably gave a good account of themselves despite being ambushed from prepared positions, to the extent that the Japanese halted their advance, despite having gone from Pusan at the southern tip of the Korean peninsula all the way to Pyongyang (3/4 of modern Korea) in a grand total of just over 3 months. The Ming leadership must have been aghast over the near-complete collapse of its long-time ally/tributary in the face of numerically-inferior Japanese armies. What made Korea’s rapid collapse more humiliating was the fact that the Japanese were conducting an amphibious operation – a type of operation that was so difficult that the all-conquering Mongols botched it twice while trying to add Japan to their holdings.
Considering that the southwestern part of Korea was yet unconquered and the Japanese forces reaching Pyongyang was significantly attrited, it seems to me that the Japanese exercised caution rather venture into the unknown with a small force as the unwise Ming commander did at Pyongyang.The Japanese might have been numerically inferior, but theirs was a battle-hardened veteran force with superior weapons and generalship while most Koreans (except the cavalry, which they emphasized greatly) were conscripted peasants. It wasn't much of a contest.The initial collapse was humiliating because the Koreans held the Japanese in contempt as savage dwarfs and were caught by surprise completely and utterly.
There wasn't much of an "amphibious operation" on the part of the Japanese since their convoys and landings were totally unopposed. The Koreans simply did not think the Japanese would invade. Furthermore, the Korean naval commander of the Busan (eastern) sector was a cowardly incompetent who scuttled the ships and fled at first opportunity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Won_Gyun). Had Admiral Yi (who held the western sector) been in charge of that area, that amphibious landing would have failed or at least delayed significantly. As it were, once Admiral Yi went into action, he enjoyed victory after victory against the Japanese, completely dominating the seas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hansan_IslandAnd:The amazing thing about Admiral Yi was that, though he had experience combating Jurchen raiders in the north, he and his subordinate commanders had no naval experience prior to these sea battles. In other words, he was a natural.
Korea was the only one who came out of this alive, after f'king up Ming and Toyotomi.
Korea is needed by the West, like Belgium is needed, so it can serve as a source of trouble to divide Asia. If China wants to conquer Asia, they should first invade North Korea, which no one will object, and dump all North Koreans to the sea of Japan.
Contemporary accounts say that the Ming forces retreated in disarray.
There was nothing north of Pyongyang in Korea at the time. It was sparsely populated wilderness, occasionally ravaged by the Jurchen raiders. Almost the whole bulk of the Korean population lived between Busan and Pyongyang – mostly in the four major rice-growing plains areas.
Considering that the southwestern part of Korea was yet unconquered and the Japanese forces reaching Pyongyang was significantly attrited, it seems to me that the Japanese exercised caution rather venture into the unknown with a small force as the unwise Ming commander did at Pyongyang.
The Japanese might have been numerically inferior, but theirs was a battle-hardened veteran force with superior weapons and generalship while most Koreans (except the cavalry, which they emphasized greatly) were conscripted peasants. It wasn’t much of a contest.
The initial collapse was humiliating because the Koreans held the Japanese in contempt as savage dwarfs and were caught by surprise completely and utterly.
There wasn’t much of an “amphibious operation” on the part of the Japanese since their convoys and landings were totally unopposed. The Koreans simply did not think the Japanese would invade. Furthermore, the Korean naval commander of the Busan (eastern) sector was a cowardly incompetent who scuttled the ships and fled at first opportunity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Won_Gyun). Had Admiral Yi (who held the western sector) been in charge of that area, that amphibious landing would have failed or at least delayed significantly. As it were, once Admiral Yi went into action, he enjoyed victory after victory against the Japanese, completely dominating the seas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hansan_Island
And:
The amazing thing about Admiral Yi was that, though he had experience combating Jurchen raiders in the north, he and his subordinate commanders had no naval experience prior to these sea battles. In other words, he was a natural.
Without that ‘villainous Korean’, Hideyoshi would have done so.
Korea has contributed nothing to the world other than Gangnam Style, and no one would have mourned its death.
Yes, what Yi did was extremely beneficial to the West, but he really f’ked up Asia. Like everything Korea does.
Ming incursion cost the dynasty a lot of money which bankrupted it and opened the door for the Manchus.
Korea was the only one who came out of this alive, after f’king up Ming and Toyotomi.
Korea is needed by the West, like Belgium is needed, so it can serve as a source of trouble to divide Asia. If China wants to conquer Asia, they should first invade North Korea, which no one will object, and dump all North Koreans to the sea of Japan.