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From The Guardian:

Is the way we think about overpopulation racist?

Fred Pearce

Half the world lives in urban areas, yet environmental concerns about megacities often focus on developing economies. But consumption is as important as population

The article isn’t as bad as the headline.

But, we aren’t likely to help Africans stave off their onrushing overpopulation because we are so worried about thinking racist thoughts.

 
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  1. “The article isn’t as bad as the headline.”

    These papers have a quota for how many times they call realistic people racist every week. Guardian doesn’t want to wait until Friday to guilt the goyim into accepting genocide.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    "Is the Way We Think About Overpopulation Racist?"
     
    Don't these people get tired being such tedious putzs?

    How can anyone being happy with their "intellectual work" appending "racist" to every single thought, word, idea.
  2. Glad they’re coming out and saying it now.

  3. Glad they’re coming out and saying it now. It’s not that (at eight billion) we have too many people on the planet–it’s that there are too many white people.

  4. People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    • Agree: NickG, Briny Schmuck
    • Disagree: res
    • LOL: JMcG
    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Briny Schmuck
    White lives matter too much. Balance will only be restored to this planet when white people disappear. People of Color possess angelic energy that is in perfect harmony with the earth, unlike the whites whose very existence is predicated on raping Mother Gaia. Always remember that white DNA is repugnant; your DNA is an abomination, white people. White genocide isn't real but it absolutely should be. All white are racist, only whites are racist, and racism is not taught but inherited. Evil is in your cave beast neanderthal crakkka DNA. All I want for Christmas is the abolition of whypeepo. My hunch is that the best the white man can hope for is to end up in a zoo, as an endangered species. Or maybe we simply have to remember that extinction is part of nature’s grand plan!
    , @anonymous
    tiny duck - it is sad that you spend so much time imitating a profoundly stupid person.

    Life is short, my young friend, and nobody, on their deathbed, says that they wished they had spent more time on the internet imitating people who say stupid things.

    Good night, little troll: God loves you just as much as he loves those you hate. But God already sees the day when you will wish with all your heart you had not been so hateful so often, even in jest.

    And ducks are almost my favorite animals, please change your screen name, thank you, you do not deserve to bear the name of Duck.

    Did I mention that it is wrong to have hatred in your heart? It is, in fact, profoundly wrong to waste so much time saying the wicked things you say. Repent, little fellow! Some day you may be a real person, whom people respect!

    also, nobody believes that you are African-American.

    i am sure you are a big fan of eminem

    well, as Alec Guiness once said to that poor Star Wars fanboy - never watch that movie again.

    You are welcome for the good advice. You are far from the worst troll here but you still need to shape up.

    I know you won't listen today, or next month. But never forget this - you are no duck.
    , @Anonymous
    >as they commune with nature and use less resources

    Clearly someone hasn't been to mainland China...
    , @White Guy In Japan
    Silly man. I encourage my female students to date me.
    , @backup

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color
     
    This is why we can be sure Tiny Duck is a parody account. Any leftist teacher would claim the white female students for themselves.
    , @ThreeCranes
    Since most people of color live close to the equator their economy in effect receives and utilizes (more or less effectively) greater amounts of energy from solar radiation. When this is added to the equation it offsets energy derived from oil and coal used by people who live in latitudes located further from the equator. Your energy accounting is, like the views on race you pretend to espouse, disingenuously simplistic.
    , @fish
    Ohs Tinys.....tyme fo mo learnin at teh end o Lensperds “Wakanda Stick” hey boy?

    Lendspord “lil whyte ghey boyz be the deth of me” Pitts


    Lil Tiny Twitter Page-https://mobile.twitter.com/trentdenton1
    , @res
    Surely someone can "Troll" this comment to give TD a rare Unz quadfecta (Agree/Disagree/LOL/Troll). He really needs an attaboy since the ducklings (e.g. Giant Duck, Briny Schmuck) are stealing so much of his thunder lately.
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources"

    'Commune with nature' sounds like a dogwhistle for shitting in the bushes.

    Tiny, u so raciss.
    , @interesting
    LOL, your trolls are always good for a laugh.
    , @Daniel Chieh

    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources
     
    I've always seen it written as "fewer resources."

    I think that's more appropriate, since resources are a "countable" item. No?
    , @Anonymous
    "This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color "

    RAAAAAACCCCCCCIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!! How dare you intentionally deprive intersectional black women dually oppressed both as a woman and as black from their black men, their Nubian Lion Other Half as Mother Africa intended, the Yin to their Yang, the JayZ to their Beyonce, the purple to their drank?

    AND YOU CALLED THEM 'BOYS' !!!!!!

    Who you foolin'? Go put on your white hood, and you SupaDevil 'SD' red cape, TD. You worse than 10 of them reg-la crackas.

    , @Olorin

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color
     
    So you hate Girls of Color?

    Not surprising...but good to know.
  5. The Guardian is the most anti-white newspaper in Britain.

    • Agree: Frau Katze
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Not a patch on The Economist.
    , @Tyrion 2
    The Guardian is now Teen Vogue with the occasional good music review or football article.
  6. But consumption is as important as population

    Take, for example, the internet. The amount of bandwidth bloat is incredible. Those huge server farms don’t run on rainbows, they run on electricity. 3rd worlders with crappy connections? ‘Eff ’em. But G**gle is cute and fuzzy, or something.

    I’m glad Teh Grauniad is at least mentioning, even obliquely, the biggest existential crisis facing humanity; the African Population Nuke.

    • Replies: @res

    I’m glad Teh Grauniad is at least mentioning, even obliquely, the biggest existential crisis facing humanity; the African Population Nuke.
     
    Perhaps next they can obliquely mention the impact of African immigration to the first world on consumption by those individuals. Or the outsize impact on consumption from our "elites." For example, all of those private plane rides to places like Davos.
  7. @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    White lives matter too much. Balance will only be restored to this planet when white people disappear. People of Color possess angelic energy that is in perfect harmony with the earth, unlike the whites whose very existence is predicated on raping Mother Gaia. Always remember that white DNA is repugnant; your DNA is an abomination, white people. White genocide isn’t real but it absolutely should be. All white are racist, only whites are racist, and racism is not taught but inherited. Evil is in your cave beast neanderthal crakkka DNA. All I want for Christmas is the abolition of whypeepo. My hunch is that the best the white man can hope for is to end up in a zoo, as an endangered species. Or maybe we simply have to remember that extinction is part of nature’s grand plan!

    • LOL: AndrewR
  8. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    tiny duck – it is sad that you spend so much time imitating a profoundly stupid person.

    Life is short, my young friend, and nobody, on their deathbed, says that they wished they had spent more time on the internet imitating people who say stupid things.

    Good night, little troll: God loves you just as much as he loves those you hate. But God already sees the day when you will wish with all your heart you had not been so hateful so often, even in jest.

    And ducks are almost my favorite animals, please change your screen name, thank you, you do not deserve to bear the name of Duck.

    Did I mention that it is wrong to have hatred in your heart? It is, in fact, profoundly wrong to waste so much time saying the wicked things you say. Repent, little fellow! Some day you may be a real person, whom people respect!

    also, nobody believes that you are African-American.

    i am sure you are a big fan of eminem

    well, as Alec Guiness once said to that poor Star Wars fanboy – never watch that movie again.

    You are welcome for the good advice. You are far from the worst troll here but you still need to shape up.

    I know you won’t listen today, or next month. But never forget this – you are no duck.

  9. Complete idiocy. The more people you have the greater your ecological footprint and the greater our carbon footprint. Rich people like celebs, politicians, and athletes have ecological and carbon footprints that dwarf the common man. They sell the idea that everyone can have it all…what would the world look like? Much of this stuff is easily quantifiable. Obama and his family during his presidential 8 years had an ecological and carbon footprint larger than some small third world island chains.

    These rich clowns have 4 or 5 homes which are massive ecological and carbon disasters yet they walk around screaming about global climate change. Read the late ecologist Garret Hardin. His views on law of the commons and overpopulation are still valid today. Hawking just died and one of his messages was overpopulation and pollution. Some Jew gave the Sierra Club 100 million to remove overpopulation from their ecological discussion.

    These people are nothing but phonies. We will destroy civilization while we abide by this politically correct ideology.

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Where is Pol Pot when you need him?
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Complete idiocy."

    Yeah, that about sums up your comment.

    Carbon is a trace gas in the atmosphere, 0.04%, and has no effect on weather or climate. It is dwarfed by things like the urban heat island effect and cow farts. A 100% concentration of CO2 acts like a greenhouse, but a 0.04% concentration of CO2 does not.

    No matter what nine science illiterates on the Supreme Court say, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant -- it is plant food. And science isn't decided in courtrooms.

    I can't believe an otherwise intelligent commenter like Authochton agreed with your hysterical menstruating.
  10. I have to agree that it is racist. The Guardian and other leftist rags are always railing against whites for having children yet never seem to care about the glut of children coming out of sub-saharan Africa.

  11. the answer is yes; no one is worrying about a surfeit of Europeans or Asians. Fear of a black planet? You’ve got that right

  12. Looks like Lagos could learn a thing or two about traffic from Swindon.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    It's almost as if racial groups exhibit different predispositions and abilities for organised, intelligent activities and behaviours.... Of course, Swindonistan is only coasting on it's legacy just now....
    , @NickG
    Been through the Swindon magic roundabout a number of times, I used to live there - it's a dreadful town, and now with added extra vibrancy. The magic roundabout works well.
  13. @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    >as they commune with nature and use less resources

    Clearly someone hasn’t been to mainland China…

  14. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The real rub is that the Guardianista types don’t actually care about the lives of Africans: if they did, they’d be bullish for curbing population growth, just as development-minded African potentates like Paul Kagame are. Africans are every bit the abstract symbol to them as ordinary Europeans are. True, they are fetishized rather than scorned. But they are not taken any more seriously as breathing, living human beings, with all the complexities inherent in the breed, as adults. It’s no wonder East Africa prefers the Chinese and the Israelis as investors to the West. They are at least open about being their largely for their own interests-and treat them as business partners rather than children.

    The egocentrism of upstanding white upper middle class liberals (what the Chinese exquisitely term “baizuo”) never ceases to astound me.

    >But consumption is as important as population

    Oh, but you don’t seriously expect the oligarchs or their upper-middle class devotees to cut down on their own consumption habits, do you? They’ll gladly pay the higher prices to continue doing so. No, that’s *your* job, you racist hater, you.

    Just like they aren’t going to send their kids out of those too-expensive-for-you predominantly white and Asian school private schools in the name of diversity. They’ll volunteer yours. They aren’t going to place Section 8 housing near their gentrified inner city districts-they’ll relocate them out to your home. They aren’t going to have their own jobs and livelihoods sacrificed to free trade principles-they’ll volunteer yours. They aren’t going to send their own sons to die in our next war of choice in the Middle East: they’ll send yours. They won’t make it impossible to have yeoman independence or a family for themselves in the name of progress, of course, but you… you might have to end up doing that. It’s Progress.

    They’ll fight for their own principles down to every last thing The Others possess.

    • Replies: @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    This, exactly. They don't care about Africans, they care about posing as virtuous before their high class friends.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    Almost correct.

    A few of them will actually live the life they claim. The occasional Rockefeller who goes to isolated areas and is eaten by headhunters:

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/What-Really-Happened-to-Michael-Rockefeller-180949813/

    Although he wasted a LOT of resources going there. A few rich people will live off the grid.


    Or, some, like Al Gore, will try to make up for their waste by paying people to plant a bunch of trees somewhere on their behalf. (And I actually LIKE Al Gore, but some of the things he does are too easy to make fun of. )

    Other than that, most of this will be people who waste a lot of resources nagging the lumpenproletariat about their wasteful ways.

    Everyone's favorite example is still valid:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhq-yO1KN8
  15. @Reg Cæsar
    Here's one way of dealing with overpopulation:

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/mississippi-9-old-allegedly-shoots-teen-sister-death-143603132--abc-news-topstories.html

    http://www.wtva.com/content/news/More-comes-out-concerning-9-year-old-boy-killing-13-year-old-sister-477293473.html

    Dijonae White

    (Submitted without comment.)

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Named after Dijon mustard.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome, @Brutusale
    https://www.hellmanns.com/us/en/products/other-spreads/dijonnaise-creamy-dijon-mustard.html
  16. @Reg Cæsar
    Looks like Lagos could learn a thing or two about traffic from Swindon.

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/af479ec14fd4a04db8c5667d1c1598a018e72d57/0_333_4992_2995/master/4992.jpg?w=860&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=6cdf8f687d4d052ebf760b0609af9f72

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OGvj7GZSIo

    It’s almost as if racial groups exhibit different predispositions and abilities for organised, intelligent activities and behaviours…. Of course, Swindonistan is only coasting on it’s legacy just now….

  17. Speaking of overpopulation:

    Clockboy is definitely the Austin bomber. You heard it here first.

  18. Admittedly the ‘carbon footprint’ of wealthy people is larger but you then have to also believe carbon dioxide is a pollutant. OTOH the fecal footprint of poor people is larger and since there are many more poor people than rich people this can be a problem and there is no doubt feces are a pollutant.

    The Telegraph had an article the other day pointing out the dire situation in Barbados where beaches and restaurants are closed due to human waste overflowing from the islands decaying sewage treatment plant. For an island whose economy depends on tourism allowing this to happen portends an economic collapse as wealthy tourists and cruise ships do not enjoy the smell of excrement when they vacation.

  19. @Autochthon

    Dijonae White
     
    (Submitted without comment.)

    Named after Dijon mustard.

  20. “The article isn’t as bad as the headline.”

    It’s a good way to draw in clicks while also giving the author some cover should the usual suspects complain (most people only read the headline or the first paragraph or two).

  21. Typically published on the day the last male Northern White Rhino died. Exterminated by Kenian poachers to deliver to Arabs and Asians.

  22. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The only real question is whether The Economist whipped western political class will ultimately triumph and force its agenda of open borders upon the EU and north America.
    In that case, surely, London will become Lagos, Rome will become Calcutta, and the USA will become Brazil.

    On the other hand, if distinct, sovereign nation states are still permitted to have immigration policies, then the west – as distinct island of civility in a god awful world – might just might continue, in the same way that Singapore exists as an island of the super rich in a planet of paupers.

    East Asia, will, of course, emerge from this century intact and triumphant.

  23. @anon
    The Guardian is the most anti-white newspaper in Britain.

    Not a patch on The Economist.

  24. @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    Silly man. I encourage my female students to date me.

    • LOL: Corn
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    My own Southeast Asian girlfriend speaks English fluently, but wants to learn to code from me, so, I guess you could call her a "student"...

    Don't be throwing salt on TD, he's gay. Or at least he/she/it claimed to be one day. Other days, it states "we'll" replace you, which implies non-white heterosexuality. Interpret as you will. Personally, I suspect TD looks like the guy from South Park sitting on the couch munching Cheetos and adopts the name of other well known personalities around here when he feels like more intensive trolling that requires proper spelling.

  25. Did you miss the story about the popularity of Tex-Mex versus Barbecue in Texas? It had never occurred to me that my taste in food might be racist. I just assumed my preference for real cheese versus fake cheese was part of the same evil classist world view that had led me to prefer squash over golf, 18th century architecture over suburban sprawl, and sailboats over speedboats. I was as usual wrong. Is there any subject people won’t be chippy about?

    “If the narrative of a cheap, lovable-but-irredeemable cuisine boils down to banal racism, resulting in a systemic undervaluing of Tejano and Mexican-American restaurateurs, cooks, and chefs, the flaw is in the attitudes, not economics or changing tastes.”

    https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.eater.com/platform/amp/2018/3/7/17081968/best-food-texas-tex-mex-barbecue

  26. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @White Guy In Japan
    Silly man. I encourage my female students to date me.

    My own Southeast Asian girlfriend speaks English fluently, but wants to learn to code from me, so, I guess you could call her a “student”…

    Don’t be throwing salt on TD, he’s gay. Or at least he/she/it claimed to be one day. Other days, it states “we’ll” replace you, which implies non-white heterosexuality. Interpret as you will. Personally, I suspect TD looks like the guy from South Park sitting on the couch munching Cheetos and adopts the name of other well known personalities around here when he feels like more intensive trolling that requires proper spelling.

  27. @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    This is why we can be sure Tiny Duck is a parody account. Any leftist teacher would claim the white female students for themselves.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    The good white professors don't only stick to white female students.
    There are some hot Asian and Hispanic students as well.
    , @Anonymous
    Actually, TD is a bit light in the loafers if you catch my drift. So he probably doesn't care out hooking up with any chicks. Like many of his persuasion, he likely hates the white ones the most, though, for being prettier than him and 'taking all the good mens'.
  28. @Reg Cæsar
    Looks like Lagos could learn a thing or two about traffic from Swindon.

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/af479ec14fd4a04db8c5667d1c1598a018e72d57/0_333_4992_2995/master/4992.jpg?w=860&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=6cdf8f687d4d052ebf760b0609af9f72

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OGvj7GZSIo

    Been through the Swindon magic roundabout a number of times, I used to live there – it’s a dreadful town, and now with added extra vibrancy. The magic roundabout works well.

    • Replies: @Graham
    There's another one near me, in Hemel Hempstead, also called the Magic Roundabout. I hadn't heard of the Swindon one. Ours isn't quite as sensible - fewer choices and fewer interior lanes - but works reasonably well. Loved the patronising Wired commentary, which they turn on specially for us 'Brits'.
  29. Q: Is ______ racist?

    A: Yes

  30. Shanty towns … have a lot to teach us about green living. They are high-density neighbourhoods, their alleys are largely pedestrianised, and many of their inhabitants are inveterate recyclers of the surrounding city’s refuse.

    LOL

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The twit doesn't realize that you don't have to go to the third world to find shanty towns. London has plenty of its own. What does he think Grenfell tower was? The Brazilians put their poor brown people up mountains, the English put theirs up towers.
    , @ThirdWorldSteveReader
    The author of this absurd line deserves to be forced to live for one month in Rio. "Pedestrianised", "inveterate recyclers", yeah, sure.
  31. I had to re-read the article three times trying to convince myself I was missing a point….no just confusion on the author’s part and ignoring ALL THE THIRD WORLD SAVE SS Africa has gotten it’s birth rates down… even the middle East and Latin America have…..

    But the author carefully avoids mentioning it’s an AFRICAN RATHER THAN THIRD WORLD ISSUE and then claims racism to status signal….

  32. @niteranger
    Complete idiocy. The more people you have the greater your ecological footprint and the greater our carbon footprint. Rich people like celebs, politicians, and athletes have ecological and carbon footprints that dwarf the common man. They sell the idea that everyone can have it all...what would the world look like? Much of this stuff is easily quantifiable. Obama and his family during his presidential 8 years had an ecological and carbon footprint larger than some small third world island chains.

    These rich clowns have 4 or 5 homes which are massive ecological and carbon disasters yet they walk around screaming about global climate change. Read the late ecologist Garret Hardin. His views on law of the commons and overpopulation are still valid today. Hawking just died and one of his messages was overpopulation and pollution. Some Jew gave the Sierra Club 100 million to remove overpopulation from their ecological discussion.

    These people are nothing but phonies. We will destroy civilization while we abide by this politically correct ideology.

    Where is Pol Pot when you need him?

  33. But, we aren’t likely to help Africans stave off their onrushing overpopulation because we are so worried about thinking racist thoughts.

    Getting us to worry about our racist thoughts is one of the ways we are tricked into opening up our borders for and handing out cash to the ‘victims’ of our racist thoughts.

    This will lessen the pressures of overpopulation in Africa. Of course, it will make life worse for the current citizens of Europe, Canada, and the US, but no one at the Guardian and its ilk seems to care about those people.

  34. Another Guardian article on overpopulation today. The solution proposed is to round up everyone and move them to mega-cities.

    That should take care of those inconvenient votes in “flyover country.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/mar/20/save-the-planet-half-earth-kim-stanley-robinson

    At least they’re talking about overpopulation. It hasn’t been a current topic on the left since about 1970.

    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    "Another Guardian article on overpopulation today. The solution proposed is to round up everyone and move them to mega-cities."

    They will have to kill me before they force me to live in a large city. I prefer to live among rural, redneck crackers. I will be well armed on the top of my forested mountain and will fight to the end.
    , @Lagertha
    It was an annoying article trying to convince North Americans and Europeans that packing into cities is "a good thing," and that of course, we need to be willing to take in millions of immigrants, etc., because it is the "moral thing to do." Bringing up public defecation and urination is always a yuck factor: Don't want people who poop/pee everywhere in my city!

    Haha, I couldn't get the image of the movie, I am Legend, out of my head: in a future dystopian time, evil scientists/evil leftists can unleash a pathogen in a crowded city to quickly and efficiently, wipe out millions of people. I've always hated disaster movies and "epidemic" movies, and, that one, was one of the creepiest.

    Another irritating thing about articles like these that seek to brainwash us into accepting a borderless world: Peter T's seasteading cities will become the new, new residence of the elites! By then, there will not be any more boats (people who know how to use a boat) left to ferry migrants out to "the island colony." Bwahhahaaaa!
    , @Corn
    Kim Stanley Robinson’s politics are damn distasteful to me, but he is a fine science fiction writer.
    , @another fred
    "The solution proposed is to round up everyone and move them to mega-cities. "

    Aka mega-plague-incubators.
  35. @anon
    The Guardian is the most anti-white newspaper in Britain.

    The Guardian is now Teen Vogue with the occasional good music review or football article.

  36. I stopped reading when the author accused Ehrlich of being racist towards “non-Europeans”

  37. @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    Since most people of color live close to the equator their economy in effect receives and utilizes (more or less effectively) greater amounts of energy from solar radiation. When this is added to the equation it offsets energy derived from oil and coal used by people who live in latitudes located further from the equator. Your energy accounting is, like the views on race you pretend to espouse, disingenuously simplistic.

  38. @Autochthon

    Dijonae White
     
    (Submitted without comment.)
    • Replies: @Autochthon
    When the Negroes bring out the Hellmann's, they're not bringing out the best. They're bringing illegitimacy (mother's husband ≠ father), they're bringing gross ignorance and negligence regarding safety with firearms, they're bringing murder to settle spats about video games.

    And some, I assume, are good people.
  39. So basically the answer to reducing population growth is urbanization in Africa…wonder what the effect on homicide rates will be? I am guessing the already high per capita rates will also increase with the growth of cities as well.

  40. @Brutusale
    https://www.hellmanns.com/us/en/products/other-spreads/dijonnaise-creamy-dijon-mustard.html

    When the Negroes bring out the Hellmann’s, they’re not bringing out the best. They’re bringing illegitimacy (mother’s husband ≠ father), they’re bringing gross ignorance and negligence regarding safety with firearms, they’re bringing murder to settle spats about video games.

    And some, I assume, are good people.

  41. @Hippopotamusdrome


    Shanty towns ... have a lot to teach us about green living. They are high-density neighbourhoods, their alleys are largely pedestrianised, and many of their inhabitants are inveterate recyclers of the surrounding city’s refuse.

     

    LOL

    The twit doesn’t realize that you don’t have to go to the third world to find shanty towns. London has plenty of its own. What does he think Grenfell tower was? The Brazilians put their poor brown people up mountains, the English put theirs up towers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Actually, if an 'unenriched' Grenfell Tower was put on the open market, the flats would sell for a fortune.
    The 'shanty town' was placed in London's most select borough, just a short bus ride from Buckingham Palace.
  42. @PiltdownMan
    Another Guardian article on overpopulation today. The solution proposed is to round up everyone and move them to mega-cities.

    That should take care of those inconvenient votes in "flyover country."

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/mar/20/save-the-planet-half-earth-kim-stanley-robinson

    At least they're talking about overpopulation. It hasn't been a current topic on the left since about 1970.

    “Another Guardian article on overpopulation today. The solution proposed is to round up everyone and move them to mega-cities.”

    They will have to kill me before they force me to live in a large city. I prefer to live among rural, redneck crackers. I will be well armed on the top of my forested mountain and will fight to the end.

    • Agree: Kylie
  43. @Anonymous
    The real rub is that the Guardianista types don't actually care about the lives of Africans: if they did, they'd be bullish for curbing population growth, just as development-minded African potentates like Paul Kagame are. Africans are every bit the abstract symbol to them as ordinary Europeans are. True, they are fetishized rather than scorned. But they are not taken any more seriously as breathing, living human beings, with all the complexities inherent in the breed, as adults. It's no wonder East Africa prefers the Chinese and the Israelis as investors to the West. They are at least open about being their largely for their own interests-and treat them as business partners rather than children.

    The egocentrism of upstanding white upper middle class liberals (what the Chinese exquisitely term "baizuo") never ceases to astound me.

    >But consumption is as important as population

    Oh, but you don't seriously expect the oligarchs or their upper-middle class devotees to cut down on their own consumption habits, do you? They'll gladly pay the higher prices to continue doing so. No, that's *your* job, you racist hater, you.

    Just like they aren't going to send their kids out of those too-expensive-for-you predominantly white and Asian school private schools in the name of diversity. They'll volunteer yours. They aren't going to place Section 8 housing near their gentrified inner city districts-they'll relocate them out to your home. They aren't going to have their own jobs and livelihoods sacrificed to free trade principles-they'll volunteer yours. They aren't going to send their own sons to die in our next war of choice in the Middle East: they'll send yours. They won't make it impossible to have yeoman independence or a family for themselves in the name of progress, of course, but you... you might have to end up doing that. It's Progress.

    They'll fight for their own principles down to every last thing The Others possess.

    This, exactly. They don’t care about Africans, they care about posing as virtuous before their high class friends.

  44. According to the Guardian, is there anything we’re doing that is not racist?

  45. @PiltdownMan
    Another Guardian article on overpopulation today. The solution proposed is to round up everyone and move them to mega-cities.

    That should take care of those inconvenient votes in "flyover country."

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/mar/20/save-the-planet-half-earth-kim-stanley-robinson

    At least they're talking about overpopulation. It hasn't been a current topic on the left since about 1970.

    It was an annoying article trying to convince North Americans and Europeans that packing into cities is “a good thing,” and that of course, we need to be willing to take in millions of immigrants, etc., because it is the “moral thing to do.” Bringing up public defecation and urination is always a yuck factor: Don’t want people who poop/pee everywhere in my city!

    Haha, I couldn’t get the image of the movie, I am Legend, out of my head: in a future dystopian time, evil scientists/evil leftists can unleash a pathogen in a crowded city to quickly and efficiently, wipe out millions of people. I’ve always hated disaster movies and “epidemic” movies, and, that one, was one of the creepiest.

    Another irritating thing about articles like these that seek to brainwash us into accepting a borderless world: Peter T’s seasteading cities will become the new, new residence of the elites! By then, there will not be any more boats (people who know how to use a boat) left to ferry migrants out to “the island colony.” Bwahhahaaaa!

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Haha, I couldn’t get the image of the movie, I am Legend, out of my head: in a future dystopian time, evil scientists/evil leftists can unleash a pathogen in a crowded city to quickly and efficiently, wipe out millions of people. I’ve always hated disaster movies and “epidemic” movies, and, that one, was one of the creepiest.
     
    The original starring Charlton Heston was a childhood favorite of mine.
  46. The Guardian: “Is the Way We Think About Overpopulation Racist?”

    Betteridge’s Law of newspaper headlines suggests that the answer is “no”.

    However, the Guardian is an exception to the law. The reason is that when they say “we” they really mean “you” or “they”, and the question mark indicates not clickbait but a lecture.

  47. @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    Ohs Tinys…..tyme fo mo learnin at teh end o Lensperds “Wakanda Stick” hey boy?

    Lendspord “lil whyte ghey boyz be the deth of me” Pitts

    Lil Tiny Twitter Page-https://mobile.twitter.com/trentdenton1

  48. Anything the Lugenpresse doesn’t blame on racism must be good for White people.

  49. @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    Surely someone can “Troll” this comment to give TD a rare Unz quadfecta (Agree/Disagree/LOL/Troll). He really needs an attaboy since the ducklings (e.g. Giant Duck, Briny Schmuck) are stealing so much of his thunder lately.

    • Replies: @Briny Schmuck
    Read Leonard Pitts and you will learn that trolling is how white males -- the most violent and oppressive force of nature in history (I've seen the statistics and know the history!) -- seek to delegitimize marginalized activist voices of color.
    Your grandkids will be black and there ain't nothing you can do about it, cave beast.
    , @Giant Duck
    The prob is that Briny Schmuck "tiny ducks" better than Tiny Duck could ever "tiny duck."

    And of course, Giant Duck is like South Park: bigger, longer and uncut.
  50. @Svigor

    But consumption is as important as population
     
    Take, for example, the internet. The amount of bandwidth bloat is incredible. Those huge server farms don't run on rainbows, they run on electricity. 3rd worlders with crappy connections? 'Eff 'em. But G**gle is cute and fuzzy, or something.

    I'm glad Teh Grauniad is at least mentioning, even obliquely, the biggest existential crisis facing humanity; the African Population Nuke.

    I’m glad Teh Grauniad is at least mentioning, even obliquely, the biggest existential crisis facing humanity; the African Population Nuke.

    Perhaps next they can obliquely mention the impact of African immigration to the first world on consumption by those individuals. Or the outsize impact on consumption from our “elites.” For example, all of those private plane rides to places like Davos.

  51. @res
    Surely someone can "Troll" this comment to give TD a rare Unz quadfecta (Agree/Disagree/LOL/Troll). He really needs an attaboy since the ducklings (e.g. Giant Duck, Briny Schmuck) are stealing so much of his thunder lately.

    Read Leonard Pitts and you will learn that trolling is how white males — the most violent and oppressive force of nature in history (I’ve seen the statistics and know the history!) — seek to delegitimize marginalized activist voices of color.
    Your grandkids will be black and there ain’t nothing you can do about it, cave beast.

    • Replies: @interesting
    Grand-kids are grand-kids. Only a true racist would make this out to be a bad thing as you have.
    , @J.Ross
    Tyler the Creator has relevant and irrefutable wisdom for "marginalized activist voices of color."
  52. @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    “People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources”

    ‘Commune with nature’ sounds like a dogwhistle for shitting in the bushes.

    Tiny, u so raciss.

  53. I meant to add this earlier.

    It’s an irrefutable explanation, in detail, of my point in an earlier, similar discussion here that anyone who voluntarily refuses to reproduce (or to reproduce less than he otherwise would…) is just a jackass offering up resources to lesser people who will reproduce like cockroaches.

    • Replies: @Mishra
    You can't out-breed cockroaches. You have to control their populations.
  54. @niteranger
    Complete idiocy. The more people you have the greater your ecological footprint and the greater our carbon footprint. Rich people like celebs, politicians, and athletes have ecological and carbon footprints that dwarf the common man. They sell the idea that everyone can have it all...what would the world look like? Much of this stuff is easily quantifiable. Obama and his family during his presidential 8 years had an ecological and carbon footprint larger than some small third world island chains.

    These rich clowns have 4 or 5 homes which are massive ecological and carbon disasters yet they walk around screaming about global climate change. Read the late ecologist Garret Hardin. His views on law of the commons and overpopulation are still valid today. Hawking just died and one of his messages was overpopulation and pollution. Some Jew gave the Sierra Club 100 million to remove overpopulation from their ecological discussion.

    These people are nothing but phonies. We will destroy civilization while we abide by this politically correct ideology.

    “Complete idiocy.”

    Yeah, that about sums up your comment.

    Carbon is a trace gas in the atmosphere, 0.04%, and has no effect on weather or climate. It is dwarfed by things like the urban heat island effect and cow farts. A 100% concentration of CO2 acts like a greenhouse, but a 0.04% concentration of CO2 does not.

    No matter what nine science illiterates on the Supreme Court say, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant — it is plant food. And science isn’t decided in courtrooms.

    I can’t believe an otherwise intelligent commenter like Authochton agreed with your hysterical menstruating.

    • Replies: @niteranger
    You have no clue to what you are talking about but you wouldn't understand science anyway. Even without the carbon footprint do you really think that overpopulation isn't real? Everyone from Harding to Hawking but you know more. Overpopulaton isn't idiocy. It's what every good environmental scientist understands.

    You should write up your theories. I'm sure there is some magazine or special ed journal like Mental Midget Monthly that would publish your mentally handicapped analysis under the special snow flake edition.
    , @Autochthon
    Wait a tic. I agreed with his sound points about the corruption of the Sierra Club and their ilk, the horrors of overpopulation and pollution, and that the production of carbon by rich bastards is far greater than mine. The dude never made a point that carbon was inherently evil, only that the jackasses who constantly decry it are the very ones who produce monumental amounts of it.

    I don't think sex is bad in and of itself, but if I came to find out a man who incessantly denounced it as an evil activity was himself attending depraved orgies every weekend, I'd take the piss out of that person.

    In any event, I am myself agnostic about the business of so-called climate change and carbon footprints. My position is those things need not be settler, since we know there are too damned many people; too much (inarguable) pollution (Mercury in water, acid rain, smog, patches of garbage in the oceans – that kind of thing); imminent extinction of wonderful creatures like snow leopards, elephants, tigers, great apes, and so on (and, yes, the critters who are not charismatic but nonetheless should not be pperish from the Earth!); loss of space, freedom, and the ability to be alone in the wilderness away from gaggles gabbling humans; and so on. Nevermind more pragmatic concerns like the ability to buy a house, avoid horrifying traffic, earn a decent living, and so on.

    These things are bad, preventable, and tragic. And they all have at their root overpopulation.
  55. @Anonymous
    The real rub is that the Guardianista types don't actually care about the lives of Africans: if they did, they'd be bullish for curbing population growth, just as development-minded African potentates like Paul Kagame are. Africans are every bit the abstract symbol to them as ordinary Europeans are. True, they are fetishized rather than scorned. But they are not taken any more seriously as breathing, living human beings, with all the complexities inherent in the breed, as adults. It's no wonder East Africa prefers the Chinese and the Israelis as investors to the West. They are at least open about being their largely for their own interests-and treat them as business partners rather than children.

    The egocentrism of upstanding white upper middle class liberals (what the Chinese exquisitely term "baizuo") never ceases to astound me.

    >But consumption is as important as population

    Oh, but you don't seriously expect the oligarchs or their upper-middle class devotees to cut down on their own consumption habits, do you? They'll gladly pay the higher prices to continue doing so. No, that's *your* job, you racist hater, you.

    Just like they aren't going to send their kids out of those too-expensive-for-you predominantly white and Asian school private schools in the name of diversity. They'll volunteer yours. They aren't going to place Section 8 housing near their gentrified inner city districts-they'll relocate them out to your home. They aren't going to have their own jobs and livelihoods sacrificed to free trade principles-they'll volunteer yours. They aren't going to send their own sons to die in our next war of choice in the Middle East: they'll send yours. They won't make it impossible to have yeoman independence or a family for themselves in the name of progress, of course, but you... you might have to end up doing that. It's Progress.

    They'll fight for their own principles down to every last thing The Others possess.

    Almost correct.

    A few of them will actually live the life they claim. The occasional Rockefeller who goes to isolated areas and is eaten by headhunters:

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/What-Really-Happened-to-Michael-Rockefeller-180949813/

    Although he wasted a LOT of resources going there. A few rich people will live off the grid.

    Or, some, like Al Gore, will try to make up for their waste by paying people to plant a bunch of trees somewhere on their behalf. (And I actually LIKE Al Gore, but some of the things he does are too easy to make fun of. )

    Other than that, most of this will be people who waste a lot of resources nagging the lumpenproletariat about their wasteful ways.

    Everyone’s favorite example is still valid:

    • Replies: @Robert Hume
    Yoko looks like she thinks Lennon is a Baizuo
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Everyone’s favorite example is still valid:
     
    Surely you have not signed on to the long grey line of nitwits and their imbecilic chanting of the lyrics of "Imagine". "Imagine" is the stupidest song Lennon ever wrote, and that is a high bar to clear. I hope you don't really think human nature is malleable, upward bound, and whimsical, do you? If you do, then you must be smoking some potent ganja, or maybe the peyote has kicked in?
  56. @backup

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color
     
    This is why we can be sure Tiny Duck is a parody account. Any leftist teacher would claim the white female students for themselves.

    The good white professors don’t only stick to white female students.
    There are some hot Asian and Hispanic students as well.

  57. *Yawn*

    If you’re that worried, just don’t have kids.

    It isn’t Africans who have ecologically damaged the Planet. You lot refuse to take responsibility you have wrought now, shifting attention to a hypothetical future.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    It isn’t Africans who have ecologically damaged the Planet.

    Say what now? You of course meant that industrialization damages it worse?
  58. @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    LOL, your trolls are always good for a laugh.

  59. @Briny Schmuck
    Read Leonard Pitts and you will learn that trolling is how white males -- the most violent and oppressive force of nature in history (I've seen the statistics and know the history!) -- seek to delegitimize marginalized activist voices of color.
    Your grandkids will be black and there ain't nothing you can do about it, cave beast.

    Grand-kids are grand-kids. Only a true racist would make this out to be a bad thing as you have.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Grand-kids are grand-kids. Only a true racist would make this out to be a bad thing as you have.
     
    If they don't look like you, you're doing it wrong.
  60. @Nigerian Nationalist
    *Yawn*

    If you're that worried, just don't have kids.

    It isn't Africans who have ecologically damaged the Planet. You lot refuse to take responsibility you have wrought now, shifting attention to a hypothetical future.

    It isn’t Africans who have ecologically damaged the Planet.

    Say what now? You of course meant that industrialization damages it worse?

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    Not just industrialisation as much as your manner of doing it. Irrational mining, planned obsolescence e.t.c.

    All for what? Attics piled high with junk for bored wives and ungrateful children...but sure let's keep pretending the crazed indignation with African "overpopulation" isn't a different shade of ye old yellow peril.
  61. @Briny Schmuck
    Read Leonard Pitts and you will learn that trolling is how white males -- the most violent and oppressive force of nature in history (I've seen the statistics and know the history!) -- seek to delegitimize marginalized activist voices of color.
    Your grandkids will be black and there ain't nothing you can do about it, cave beast.

    Tyler the Creator has relevant and irrefutable wisdom for “marginalized activist voices of color.”

  62. Next article’s headline….”Is the way we think racist?” There that covers everything.

  63. @Paleo Liberal
    Almost correct.

    A few of them will actually live the life they claim. The occasional Rockefeller who goes to isolated areas and is eaten by headhunters:

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/What-Really-Happened-to-Michael-Rockefeller-180949813/

    Although he wasted a LOT of resources going there. A few rich people will live off the grid.


    Or, some, like Al Gore, will try to make up for their waste by paying people to plant a bunch of trees somewhere on their behalf. (And I actually LIKE Al Gore, but some of the things he does are too easy to make fun of. )

    Other than that, most of this will be people who waste a lot of resources nagging the lumpenproletariat about their wasteful ways.

    Everyone's favorite example is still valid:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhq-yO1KN8

    Yoko looks like she thinks Lennon is a Baizuo

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >leave your epoch-defining band for me
    >... o-okay ...
    Shoe fits. Also, can there be a more modern-SJW-before-modern-SJW statement (in terms of reflexive hystrionic scale and not merely activism or ideology) than "Woman is the N***** of the World"?
  64. @NickG
    Been through the Swindon magic roundabout a number of times, I used to live there - it's a dreadful town, and now with added extra vibrancy. The magic roundabout works well.

    There’s another one near me, in Hemel Hempstead, also called the Magic Roundabout. I hadn’t heard of the Swindon one. Ours isn’t quite as sensible – fewer choices and fewer interior lanes – but works reasonably well. Loved the patronising Wired commentary, which they turn on specially for us ‘Brits’.

  65. @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    I’ve always seen it written as “fewer resources.”

    I think that’s more appropriate, since resources are a “countable” item. No?

    • Agree: Autochthon
    • Replies: @Autochthon
    El Pato is hardly a professor of English, friend.
  66. @PiltdownMan
    Another Guardian article on overpopulation today. The solution proposed is to round up everyone and move them to mega-cities.

    That should take care of those inconvenient votes in "flyover country."

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/mar/20/save-the-planet-half-earth-kim-stanley-robinson

    At least they're talking about overpopulation. It hasn't been a current topic on the left since about 1970.

    Kim Stanley Robinson’s politics are damn distasteful to me, but he is a fine science fiction writer.

  67. Similar article on the same site: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/mar/20/save-the-planet-half-earth-kim-stanley-robinson

    The idea: Concentrate human populations with more cities but also more non-human wilderness. People across the globe prefer cities or at least suburbs to rural or tribal living. Natural resource usage and birth rates are more modest when humans are concentrated.

  68. Used to be, when a person wanted to give you the acid test regarding your racism they asked you, “What would your reaction be if your daughter wanted to marry a black guy?” and then they delighted in watching you squirm.

    But rather than answer that I think a better tactic would be to pose the counter question, “Would you allow your 14 year old daughter to go otherwise unchaperoned on an overnight trip (say, a school function) with any black male guardian between the ages of 13 and 60?”

  69. The way the ruling class lectures us about overpopulation is anti-White.

  70. @Robert Hume
    Yoko looks like she thinks Lennon is a Baizuo

    >leave your epoch-defining band for me
    >… o-okay …
    Shoe fits. Also, can there be a more modern-SJW-before-modern-SJW statement (in terms of reflexive hystrionic scale and not merely activism or ideology) than “Woman is the N***** of the World”?

  71. @res
    Surely someone can "Troll" this comment to give TD a rare Unz quadfecta (Agree/Disagree/LOL/Troll). He really needs an attaboy since the ducklings (e.g. Giant Duck, Briny Schmuck) are stealing so much of his thunder lately.

    The prob is that Briny Schmuck “tiny ducks” better than Tiny Duck could ever “tiny duck.”

    And of course, Giant Duck is like South Park: bigger, longer and uncut.

  72. Actually, Third World peoples DO consume fewer resources — as long as they stay in the Third World.

    *GRUMPY OLD MAD MODE:*

    I’m old enough to remember when people who cared about the environment wanted to contain the population everywhere, and that included strict limits on immigration.

    Gaylord Nelson, the guy behind Earth Day, was a leader of an immigration restrictionist organization. There are times when I feel I am one of the last liberal Democrats left of the left who believe in restricting immigration.

    To save the environment, we have to contain population.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    Garrett Hardin. Living on a lifeboat. It's just common sense.
  73. Tl;dr. But after reading just the headline, I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say “yes”.

  74. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Complete idiocy."

    Yeah, that about sums up your comment.

    Carbon is a trace gas in the atmosphere, 0.04%, and has no effect on weather or climate. It is dwarfed by things like the urban heat island effect and cow farts. A 100% concentration of CO2 acts like a greenhouse, but a 0.04% concentration of CO2 does not.

    No matter what nine science illiterates on the Supreme Court say, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant -- it is plant food. And science isn't decided in courtrooms.

    I can't believe an otherwise intelligent commenter like Authochton agreed with your hysterical menstruating.

    You have no clue to what you are talking about but you wouldn’t understand science anyway. Even without the carbon footprint do you really think that overpopulation isn’t real? Everyone from Harding to Hawking but you know more. Overpopulaton isn’t idiocy. It’s what every good environmental scientist understands.

    You should write up your theories. I’m sure there is some magazine or special ed journal like Mental Midget Monthly that would publish your mentally handicapped analysis under the special snow flake edition.

  75. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Complete idiocy."

    Yeah, that about sums up your comment.

    Carbon is a trace gas in the atmosphere, 0.04%, and has no effect on weather or climate. It is dwarfed by things like the urban heat island effect and cow farts. A 100% concentration of CO2 acts like a greenhouse, but a 0.04% concentration of CO2 does not.

    No matter what nine science illiterates on the Supreme Court say, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant -- it is plant food. And science isn't decided in courtrooms.

    I can't believe an otherwise intelligent commenter like Authochton agreed with your hysterical menstruating.

    Wait a tic. I agreed with his sound points about the corruption of the Sierra Club and their ilk, the horrors of overpopulation and pollution, and that the production of carbon by rich bastards is far greater than mine. The dude never made a point that carbon was inherently evil, only that the jackasses who constantly decry it are the very ones who produce monumental amounts of it.

    I don’t think sex is bad in and of itself, but if I came to find out a man who incessantly denounced it as an evil activity was himself attending depraved orgies every weekend, I’d take the piss out of that person.

    In any event, I am myself agnostic about the business of so-called climate change and carbon footprints. My position is those things need not be settler, since we know there are too damned many people; too much (inarguable) pollution (Mercury in water, acid rain, smog, patches of garbage in the oceans – that kind of thing); imminent extinction of wonderful creatures like snow leopards, elephants, tigers, great apes, and so on (and, yes, the critters who are not charismatic but nonetheless should not be pperish from the Earth!); loss of space, freedom, and the ability to be alone in the wilderness away from gaggles gabbling humans; and so on. Nevermind more pragmatic concerns like the ability to buy a house, avoid horrifying traffic, earn a decent living, and so on.

    These things are bad, preventable, and tragic. And they all have at their root overpopulation.

  76. @Daniel Chieh

    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources
     
    I've always seen it written as "fewer resources."

    I think that's more appropriate, since resources are a "countable" item. No?

    El Pato is hardly a professor of English, friend.

  77. Completely unrelated in The Guardian:
    Cockroaches’ DNA reveals why they thrive in filthy places

    The secrets of the cockroach’s ability to thrive in some of the most disgusting places on Earth have been discovered in its DNA.

    The American cockroach spread around the world after it was introduced to the US from Africa in the early 16th century. Its population exploded as the insects made themselves at home in the dark and moist corners of houses, restaurants and offices, where toilets and kitchens became their favourite haunts.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    "Then there are yet more genes that ensure cockroaches reproduce at an impressive rate"
  78. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @backup

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color
     
    This is why we can be sure Tiny Duck is a parody account. Any leftist teacher would claim the white female students for themselves.

    Actually, TD is a bit light in the loafers if you catch my drift. So he probably doesn’t care out hooking up with any chicks. Like many of his persuasion, he likely hates the white ones the most, though, for being prettier than him and ‘taking all the good mens’.

  79. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “But, we aren’t likely to help Africans stave off their onrushing overpopulation because we are so worried about thinking racist thoughts.”

    It’s truly mind-boggling how liberals can keep contradictory BS in their head at the same time. How is it that blacks are these Wakanda geniuses who can do anything better than the white man who is evil and worthless, yet we must constantly lend them a helping hand for the most basic sh*t that other people all over the planet have figured out how to do?

  80. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    “This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color ”

    RAAAAAACCCCCCCIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!! How dare you intentionally deprive intersectional black women dually oppressed both as a woman and as black from their black men, their Nubian Lion Other Half as Mother Africa intended, the Yin to their Yang, the JayZ to their Beyonce, the purple to their drank?

    AND YOU CALLED THEM ‘BOYS’ !!!!!!

    Who you foolin’? Go put on your white hood, and you SupaDevil ‘SD’ red cape, TD. You worse than 10 of them reg-la crackas.

  81. @Lagertha
    It was an annoying article trying to convince North Americans and Europeans that packing into cities is "a good thing," and that of course, we need to be willing to take in millions of immigrants, etc., because it is the "moral thing to do." Bringing up public defecation and urination is always a yuck factor: Don't want people who poop/pee everywhere in my city!

    Haha, I couldn't get the image of the movie, I am Legend, out of my head: in a future dystopian time, evil scientists/evil leftists can unleash a pathogen in a crowded city to quickly and efficiently, wipe out millions of people. I've always hated disaster movies and "epidemic" movies, and, that one, was one of the creepiest.

    Another irritating thing about articles like these that seek to brainwash us into accepting a borderless world: Peter T's seasteading cities will become the new, new residence of the elites! By then, there will not be any more boats (people who know how to use a boat) left to ferry migrants out to "the island colony." Bwahhahaaaa!

    Haha, I couldn’t get the image of the movie, I am Legend, out of my head: in a future dystopian time, evil scientists/evil leftists can unleash a pathogen in a crowded city to quickly and efficiently, wipe out millions of people. I’ve always hated disaster movies and “epidemic” movies, and, that one, was one of the creepiest.

    The original starring Charlton Heston was a childhood favorite of mine.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    I was 10...my parents thought that movie was just too scary for kids. Yet, we would always watch Man from U.N.C.L.E. and The Prisoner, the Avengers, Twilight Zone, Dirty Harry, Death Wish, The Godfather (the horse head scene, I was told to go get something from the kitchen) Psycho re-run, old bloody westerns, bloody WW2 movie re-runs, and old bloody bibley movies....so, yeah, I was already jaded - but my parents (very proper) wanted to believe they were correct parents ;) I kinda' relish the fact that I am the only poster who is fearless about posting emojis! - know it is girly, but I believe y'all are ok with that.
    , @Autochthon
    There's an even earlier adaptation (the orginal is a novel by Richard Matheson) starring Vincent Price; Matheson worked on its screenplay, but was dissatisfied with the film.
  82. @Paleo Liberal
    Actually, Third World peoples DO consume fewer resources -- as long as they stay in the Third World.

    *GRUMPY OLD MAD MODE:*

    I'm old enough to remember when people who cared about the environment wanted to contain the population everywhere, and that included strict limits on immigration.

    Gaylord Nelson, the guy behind Earth Day, was a leader of an immigration restrictionist organization. There are times when I feel I am one of the last liberal Democrats left of the left who believe in restricting immigration.

    To save the environment, we have to contain population.

    Garrett Hardin. Living on a lifeboat. It’s just common sense.

  83. An additive to the water supply that lowers fertility without reducing it to zero might do the trick. Or something along those lines. Maybe as a condition for government assistance.

  84. A lot of those big city efficiencies that the author touts in that article can also be achieved in a well-planned smaller town:

  85. @PiltdownMan
    Another Guardian article on overpopulation today. The solution proposed is to round up everyone and move them to mega-cities.

    That should take care of those inconvenient votes in "flyover country."

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/mar/20/save-the-planet-half-earth-kim-stanley-robinson

    At least they're talking about overpopulation. It hasn't been a current topic on the left since about 1970.

    “The solution proposed is to round up everyone and move them to mega-cities. ”

    Aka mega-plague-incubators.

  86. @Hippopotamusdrome


    Shanty towns ... have a lot to teach us about green living. They are high-density neighbourhoods, their alleys are largely pedestrianised, and many of their inhabitants are inveterate recyclers of the surrounding city’s refuse.

     

    LOL

    The author of this absurd line deserves to be forced to live for one month in Rio. “Pedestrianised”, “inveterate recyclers”, yeah, sure.

  87. @Paleo Liberal
    Almost correct.

    A few of them will actually live the life they claim. The occasional Rockefeller who goes to isolated areas and is eaten by headhunters:

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/What-Really-Happened-to-Michael-Rockefeller-180949813/

    Although he wasted a LOT of resources going there. A few rich people will live off the grid.


    Or, some, like Al Gore, will try to make up for their waste by paying people to plant a bunch of trees somewhere on their behalf. (And I actually LIKE Al Gore, but some of the things he does are too easy to make fun of. )

    Other than that, most of this will be people who waste a lot of resources nagging the lumpenproletariat about their wasteful ways.

    Everyone's favorite example is still valid:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhq-yO1KN8

    Everyone’s favorite example is still valid:

    Surely you have not signed on to the long grey line of nitwits and their imbecilic chanting of the lyrics of “Imagine”. “Imagine” is the stupidest song Lennon ever wrote, and that is a high bar to clear. I hope you don’t really think human nature is malleable, upward bound, and whimsical, do you? If you do, then you must be smoking some potent ganja, or maybe the peyote has kicked in?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Friend, your interlocutor is emphasising how silly and preposterously holier-than-thou "Imagine" is coming as it did from a cynical, filthy-rich rockstar who lived the high life of materialistic hedonism.
  88. Overpopulation of the African continent should not have to be a problem for Western Civilization.

    At some point we have to stop taking responsibility for the problems created by black people. Offering help only seems to make the problems worse.

    The West must not continue to be the safety valve for black dysfunction. At some point these people will have to be treated as people and not wards of the state.

    I don’t think China or Japan are too worried about black overpopulation.

    Braindead white liberals will be the death of us all.

  89. @ben tillman

    Haha, I couldn’t get the image of the movie, I am Legend, out of my head: in a future dystopian time, evil scientists/evil leftists can unleash a pathogen in a crowded city to quickly and efficiently, wipe out millions of people. I’ve always hated disaster movies and “epidemic” movies, and, that one, was one of the creepiest.
     
    The original starring Charlton Heston was a childhood favorite of mine.

    I was 10…my parents thought that movie was just too scary for kids. Yet, we would always watch Man from U.N.C.L.E. and The Prisoner, the Avengers, Twilight Zone, Dirty Harry, Death Wish, The Godfather (the horse head scene, I was told to go get something from the kitchen) Psycho re-run, old bloody westerns, bloody WW2 movie re-runs, and old bloody bibley movies….so, yeah, I was already jaded – but my parents (very proper) wanted to believe they were correct parents 😉 I kinda’ relish the fact that I am the only poster who is fearless about posting emojis! – know it is girly, but I believe y’all are ok with that.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I was completely smitten with Jaws and watched it multiple times well before puberty. I never had trouble with swimming. I never swim now, but that's because I never go out. I was obsessed with sharks the same way normal kids are obsessed with dinosaurs.
    A brilliant trash-movie. They had psychological research informing their editing of the Muffin Man scene, they established the exact point at which a shot is held "too long" (cf the Exorcist's subliminal shots).
    And that music.
  90. @J.Ross
    It isn’t Africans who have ecologically damaged the Planet.

    Say what now? You of course meant that industrialization damages it worse?

    Not just industrialisation as much as your manner of doing it. Irrational mining, planned obsolescence e.t.c.

    All for what? Attics piled high with junk for bored wives and ungrateful children…but sure let’s keep pretending the crazed indignation with African “overpopulation” isn’t a different shade of ye old yellow peril.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Irrational mining? You mean like Jack Aubrey getting suckered into his backyard secreting a Roman silver mine? And as for attics, there are too many white hoarders, but it seems to me there might be one or two enthusiastic consumers of color. You do accept that poaching endangered species is a form of environmental damage?
  91. @ben tillman

    Haha, I couldn’t get the image of the movie, I am Legend, out of my head: in a future dystopian time, evil scientists/evil leftists can unleash a pathogen in a crowded city to quickly and efficiently, wipe out millions of people. I’ve always hated disaster movies and “epidemic” movies, and, that one, was one of the creepiest.
     
    The original starring Charlton Heston was a childhood favorite of mine.

    There’s an even earlier adaptation (the orginal is a novel by Richard Matheson) starring Vincent Price; Matheson worked on its screenplay, but was dissatisfied with the film.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I feel so strongly about the Akiva Goldsman adaptation that I am not sure if I can write about it intelligently.
    To make the attempt:
    This is perhaps the most brilliant parable ever written about bigotry. In the final scene the hero realizes that he is actually the real nosferatu, the other, that all the definitions are reversed, that the monsters he had hunted are the normal men now -- and then they gave that to a Zionist using Gulf War II imagery during the Terror War, and no consideration whatsoever of the humanity of the other side, which was the whole point of the original story.
    Imagine a cover of John Lennon's Imagine that tells you to go to church before you join the army.
    , @dfordoom

    There’s an even earlier adaptation (the orginal is a novel by Richard Matheson) starring Vincent Price; Matheson worked on its screenplay, but was dissatisfied with the film.
     
    The Vincent Price version isn't too bad. The Chuck Heston version (The Omega Man) differs very significantly from the book, but it has Heston giving an amazing performance. In fact it's one of my favourite Heston performances and I'm a major Heston fan.
  92. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Everyone’s favorite example is still valid:
     
    Surely you have not signed on to the long grey line of nitwits and their imbecilic chanting of the lyrics of "Imagine". "Imagine" is the stupidest song Lennon ever wrote, and that is a high bar to clear. I hope you don't really think human nature is malleable, upward bound, and whimsical, do you? If you do, then you must be smoking some potent ganja, or maybe the peyote has kicked in?

    Friend, your interlocutor is emphasising how silly and preposterously holier-than-thou “Imagine” is coming as it did from a cynical, filthy-rich rockstar who lived the high life of materialistic hedonism.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Thanks for the clarification. I missed what you took from the post.
  93. @Autochthon
    I meant to add this earlier.

    It's an irrefutable explanation, in detail, of my point in an earlier, similar discussion here that anyone who voluntarily refuses to reproduce (or to reproduce less than he otherwise would...) is just a jackass offering up resources to lesser people who will reproduce like cockroaches.

    You can’t out-breed cockroaches. You have to control their populations.

  94. @MEH 0910
    Completely unrelated in The Guardian:
    Cockroaches' DNA reveals why they thrive in filthy places

    The secrets of the cockroach’s ability to thrive in some of the most disgusting places on Earth have been discovered in its DNA.

    The American cockroach spread around the world after it was introduced to the US from Africa in the early 16th century. Its population exploded as the insects made themselves at home in the dark and moist corners of houses, restaurants and offices, where toilets and kitchens became their favourite haunts.
     

    Then there are yet more genes that ensure cockroaches reproduce at an impressive rate

  95. @Anonymous
    “The article isn’t as bad as the headline.”

    These papers have a quota for how many times they call realistic people racist every week. Guardian doesn’t want to wait until Friday to guilt the goyim into accepting genocide.

    “Is the Way We Think About Overpopulation Racist?”

    Don’t these people get tired being such tedious putzs?

    How can anyone being happy with their “intellectual work” appending “racist” to every single thought, word, idea.

  96. @Anonymous
    The twit doesn't realize that you don't have to go to the third world to find shanty towns. London has plenty of its own. What does he think Grenfell tower was? The Brazilians put their poor brown people up mountains, the English put theirs up towers.

    Actually, if an ‘unenriched’ Grenfell Tower was put on the open market, the flats would sell for a fortune.
    The ‘shanty town’ was placed in London’s most select borough, just a short bus ride from Buckingham Palace.

  97. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Not just industrialisation as much as your manner of doing it. Irrational mining, planned obsolescence e.t.c.

    All for what? Attics piled high with junk for bored wives and ungrateful children...but sure let's keep pretending the crazed indignation with African "overpopulation" isn't a different shade of ye old yellow peril.

    Irrational mining? You mean like Jack Aubrey getting suckered into his backyard secreting a Roman silver mine? And as for attics, there are too many white hoarders, but it seems to me there might be one or two enthusiastic consumers of color. You do accept that poaching endangered species is a form of environmental damage?

    • Replies: @Nigerian Nationalist
    Who creates the demand?

    And on a scale of 1-10...strip mining and the gas from the farts of your pounds of beef habit outstrip--Ha Ha-- poaching.
  98. @Lagertha
    I was 10...my parents thought that movie was just too scary for kids. Yet, we would always watch Man from U.N.C.L.E. and The Prisoner, the Avengers, Twilight Zone, Dirty Harry, Death Wish, The Godfather (the horse head scene, I was told to go get something from the kitchen) Psycho re-run, old bloody westerns, bloody WW2 movie re-runs, and old bloody bibley movies....so, yeah, I was already jaded - but my parents (very proper) wanted to believe they were correct parents ;) I kinda' relish the fact that I am the only poster who is fearless about posting emojis! - know it is girly, but I believe y'all are ok with that.

    I was completely smitten with Jaws and watched it multiple times well before puberty. I never had trouble with swimming. I never swim now, but that’s because I never go out. I was obsessed with sharks the same way normal kids are obsessed with dinosaurs.
    A brilliant trash-movie. They had psychological research informing their editing of the Muffin Man scene, they established the exact point at which a shot is held “too long” (cf the Exorcist’s subliminal shots).
    And that music.

  99. @Autochthon
    There's an even earlier adaptation (the orginal is a novel by Richard Matheson) starring Vincent Price; Matheson worked on its screenplay, but was dissatisfied with the film.

    I feel so strongly about the Akiva Goldsman adaptation that I am not sure if I can write about it intelligently.
    To make the attempt:
    This is perhaps the most brilliant parable ever written about bigotry. In the final scene the hero realizes that he is actually the real nosferatu, the other, that all the definitions are reversed, that the monsters he had hunted are the normal men now — and then they gave that to a Zionist using Gulf War II imagery during the Terror War, and no consideration whatsoever of the humanity of the other side, which was the whole point of the original story.
    Imagine a cover of John Lennon’s Imagine that tells you to go to church before you join the army.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    I am always a little disgusted when people tell me of I am Legend, but I think I may be unhealthily attached to Vincent Price's version.
    , @Anonymous

    This is perhaps the most brilliant parable ever written about bigotry. In the final scene the hero realizes that he is actually the real nosferatu, the other, that all the definitions are reversed, that the monsters he had hunted are the normal men now
     
    I'm not sure that Matheson's parable is quite so effective as some people seem to think (not to defend the later Will Smiff vehicle in any way, shape or form either)
  100. @Autochthon
    There's an even earlier adaptation (the orginal is a novel by Richard Matheson) starring Vincent Price; Matheson worked on its screenplay, but was dissatisfied with the film.

    There’s an even earlier adaptation (the orginal is a novel by Richard Matheson) starring Vincent Price; Matheson worked on its screenplay, but was dissatisfied with the film.

    The Vincent Price version isn’t too bad. The Chuck Heston version (The Omega Man) differs very significantly from the book, but it has Heston giving an amazing performance. In fact it’s one of my favourite Heston performances and I’m a major Heston fan.

  101. @interesting
    Grand-kids are grand-kids. Only a true racist would make this out to be a bad thing as you have.

    Grand-kids are grand-kids. Only a true racist would make this out to be a bad thing as you have.

    If they don’t look like you, you’re doing it wrong.

  102. @J.Ross
    I feel so strongly about the Akiva Goldsman adaptation that I am not sure if I can write about it intelligently.
    To make the attempt:
    This is perhaps the most brilliant parable ever written about bigotry. In the final scene the hero realizes that he is actually the real nosferatu, the other, that all the definitions are reversed, that the monsters he had hunted are the normal men now -- and then they gave that to a Zionist using Gulf War II imagery during the Terror War, and no consideration whatsoever of the humanity of the other side, which was the whole point of the original story.
    Imagine a cover of John Lennon's Imagine that tells you to go to church before you join the army.

    I am always a little disgusted when people tell me of I am Legend, but I think I may be unhealthily attached to Vincent Price’s version.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    The Bob Marley speech in the Goldsman trashing is literally the model for the intolerant anti-intolerance we see today. The empty rhetoric of non-specific love very lightly rests on old-fashioned tribalism. We will stand up to them and triumph over them; our purity against their vileness, our righteousness proven by their evil. And then there's the ending. Originally it's a revelatory rethink of a whole weltanschauung, followed by an execution whose import is totally different on that side of the rethink; Goldsman has the racially pure superior tribe escaping the dangers of the mixed nations to a redoubt surrounded by a wall (sorry, meant to write "fence") and spilling over with American military surplus (no word on if they claim the Litani river as their drinking water or chop undersea cables).
    But at least Will Smith does more with a mannikin than a potted plant can do with Mark Wahlberg (or with Harvey Weinstein for that matter).
  103. @Tiny Duck
    People of Color having many children is sound as they commune with nature and use less resources

    1 white child uses 10 times the resources of 100 Children of Color

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    Generally when white people talk about overpopulation they are expressing their fears of losing primacy and privilege

    This is why I encourage my white female students to only date Boys of Color

    So you hate Girls of Color?

    Not surprising…but good to know.

  104. @Daniel Chieh
    I am always a little disgusted when people tell me of I am Legend, but I think I may be unhealthily attached to Vincent Price's version.

    The Bob Marley speech in the Goldsman trashing is literally the model for the intolerant anti-intolerance we see today. The empty rhetoric of non-specific love very lightly rests on old-fashioned tribalism. We will stand up to them and triumph over them; our purity against their vileness, our righteousness proven by their evil. And then there’s the ending. Originally it’s a revelatory rethink of a whole weltanschauung, followed by an execution whose import is totally different on that side of the rethink; Goldsman has the racially pure superior tribe escaping the dangers of the mixed nations to a redoubt surrounded by a wall (sorry, meant to write “fence”) and spilling over with American military surplus (no word on if they claim the Litani river as their drinking water or chop undersea cables).
    But at least Will Smith does more with a mannikin than a potted plant can do with Mark Wahlberg (or with Harvey Weinstein for that matter).

  105. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    I feel so strongly about the Akiva Goldsman adaptation that I am not sure if I can write about it intelligently.
    To make the attempt:
    This is perhaps the most brilliant parable ever written about bigotry. In the final scene the hero realizes that he is actually the real nosferatu, the other, that all the definitions are reversed, that the monsters he had hunted are the normal men now -- and then they gave that to a Zionist using Gulf War II imagery during the Terror War, and no consideration whatsoever of the humanity of the other side, which was the whole point of the original story.
    Imagine a cover of John Lennon's Imagine that tells you to go to church before you join the army.

    This is perhaps the most brilliant parable ever written about bigotry. In the final scene the hero realizes that he is actually the real nosferatu, the other, that all the definitions are reversed, that the monsters he had hunted are the normal men now

    I’m not sure that Matheson’s parable is quite so effective as some people seem to think (not to defend the later Will Smiff vehicle in any way, shape or form either)

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Maybe not, but it does seem to me that Goldsman completely and deliberately over-writes that aspect of the story.
  106. @Anonymous

    This is perhaps the most brilliant parable ever written about bigotry. In the final scene the hero realizes that he is actually the real nosferatu, the other, that all the definitions are reversed, that the monsters he had hunted are the normal men now
     
    I'm not sure that Matheson's parable is quite so effective as some people seem to think (not to defend the later Will Smiff vehicle in any way, shape or form either)

    Maybe not, but it does seem to me that Goldsman completely and deliberately over-writes that aspect of the story.

  107. @J.Ross
    Irrational mining? You mean like Jack Aubrey getting suckered into his backyard secreting a Roman silver mine? And as for attics, there are too many white hoarders, but it seems to me there might be one or two enthusiastic consumers of color. You do accept that poaching endangered species is a form of environmental damage?

    Who creates the demand?

    And on a scale of 1-10…strip mining and the gas from the farts of your pounds of beef habit outstrip–Ha Ha– poaching.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    I shouldn't show you this but it promises forbidden heights of mirth and horror: a /pol/ thread in which EMTs talk about dealing with morbidly obese white Americans.
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/164883501
  108. @Nigerian Nationalist
    Who creates the demand?

    And on a scale of 1-10...strip mining and the gas from the farts of your pounds of beef habit outstrip--Ha Ha-- poaching.

    I shouldn’t show you this but it promises forbidden heights of mirth and horror: a /pol/ thread in which EMTs talk about dealing with morbidly obese white Americans.
    http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/164883501

  109. @Autochthon
    Friend, your interlocutor is emphasising how silly and preposterously holier-than-thou "Imagine" is coming as it did from a cynical, filthy-rich rockstar who lived the high life of materialistic hedonism.

    Thanks for the clarification. I missed what you took from the post.

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