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Utra-wealthy, ultra-liberal San Francisco has strikingly bad public schools. I don’t mean “bad” in the usual sense of “infelicitous demographics” but in the sense of poor scores for most ethnic groups relative to their national norms. Now, its one good public high school, exam-using Lowell (the SF equivalent of NYC’s Stuyvesant and suburban DC’s Thomas Jefferson), is going to lottery admissions, perhaps permanently.

Despite backlash, San Francisco’s Lowell High will use lottery system next year

Katie Dowd
Oct. 21, 2020

Lowell High School will admit students for the class of 2025 via random lottery, like most other public schools in the city.

In spite of controversy and backlash, San Francisco’s prestigious public school Lowell High will use the lottery system to admit students in 2021.

While most public schools in the city are subject to the lottery system, Lowell traditionally has not. The high school uses a combination of middle school GPA and state testing scores to evaluate most prospective students (some slots are set aside for students from under-served areas). But due to the chaos created by distance learning — and the fact that standardized testing couldn’t be done at all — the San Francisco Board of Education decided it wasn’t fair to evaluate students on metrics they could not meet in 2020.

On Tuesday night, the school board voted unanimously to switch Lowell’s admissions process to a random lottery. The change will only affect the class of 2025 right now, but the Chronicle reports there is some interest among school board members in making the change permanent.

As I’ve been mentioning, America is undergoing a disastrous Great Reset in which changes necessitated by lockdowns are combining with the triumph of Ibram X. Kendi’s anti-white racist ideology during the Summer of George to lead authorities to make institutional changes that are likely to become permanent, with long-run deleterious effects on the functionality of American civilization.

The Oct. 9 announcement sent immediate shock waves through the Lowell community, some of whom put together a petition to demand the school board reevaluate its proposal.

There’s no mention of demographics in the article. Not surprisingly, Lowell is only 18% white, 61% Asian, 8% mixed (mostly Eurasian), 10% Hispanic, and 2% black.

An interesting question is whether 2020 has seen whites splitting away from Asians on questions of meritocracy and coming to side with blacks because they feel it’s become hopeless trying to compete anymore with Asians on tests.

One test is November’s referendum in California, Proposition 16, on repealing 1996’s Proposition 209 that nominally banned affirmative action racial preferences in government actions. Polls suggest that voters are confused about the intent of the measure, since the pro-quota advocates tried to make the language obscure that they wanted to discriminate by race, which seldom polls well in the abstract. Also, I imagine a lot of voters aren’t aware that it’s unConstitutional for government agencies in California, such as U. of California admissions, to discriminate by race because, obviously, they do (but just don’t tell anybody they are discriminating — it’s all very holistic, you see).

 
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  1. OT. The results are in: Giuliani is an idiot.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8864821/Giuliani-caught-Borats-daughter-hand-pants.html

    Forget the hand. What’s he doing lying on the bed?

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
    @HammerJack

    You'll likely find out with Rudy's future lawsuit. How this impacts the topic of SF school reset is beyond me. Guess it is due to being educated pre- Common Core.

  2. The comments on SF Gate are very telling. A race to the bottom. And as long as the topic is California, Squaw Valley, a great ski destination, will change its name because, well because “squaw” is racist, sexist, whatever . Squaw Island in the Niagara River, off the Buffalo shoreline, is now Unity Island. The same reasoning and the falsehood that squaw means “c-nt” in Mohawk. Never, ever heard that from all my Native American co workers. Never!

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Buffalo Joe


    Squaw Island in the Niagara River, off the Buffalo shoreline, is now Unity Island.
     
    This is almost as fake and gay as BLM Plaza.

    Almost.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    The same reasoning and the falsehood that squaw means “c-nt” in Mohawk.
     
    "Love Canal" kind of suggests that in English.


    https://file.ejatlas.org/img/Conflict/893/thumb_love_canal.jpg
  3. (some slots are set aside for students from under-served areas)

    So you see, the existing policy of affirmative action set-asides achieved only partial wreckage, and that’s not what we’re aiming for, is it.

    BTW the ‘61% Asian enrollment’ will be irrelevant, even in SF. That 18% white cohort, on the other hand, is the Mark of Satan, and will be dealt with accordingly.

    Onward and Downward, as we say now.

  4. institutional changes that are likely to become permanent, with long-run deleterious effects on the dysfunctionality of American civilization.

    These changes, which are happening nationwide, are while Trump is president and Congress and the Supreme Court are just about evenly divided. Just you wait.

  5. Simple solution: define the Asian as a demographic category to include jews, Middle Easterners, Indians and East Asians. Dividing them into subgroups allows them to outpunch the non-statistically splintered demographics. We don’t have an individual category for Swedes and one for Lithuanians. They’re compressed into Whites. Igbo and Bantu are compressed into the black. The same should be true of jew and Dalit.

  6. You’re inverting cause and effect. It is the dysfunctionality of American (un)civilization that is manifesting in the methodical dumbing down of America.

    Blacks aren’t driving this. It’s corporations and corporate-corrupted institutions run by white people that are.

    Why?

    Because corporations want a society of brainless, docile lemmings.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Maistre

    Thats a tough sell in Northern California, just down the block from the greatest wealth creation and concentration in global history. These guys are fighting a reargaurd action and PR war. payoffs, token diversity hr hires, women and blax in tech conferences that type shit.

  7. “Equality of Outcome” is also known as “Denial of Reality”. A sign that a society has crossed the line and is determined to self destruct. The envious and mediocre have been elevated to positions of power and influence. Nothing or nobody will be allowed to remind them of their inferior abilities. Burn it down before admitting that someone might be better.

  8. As I’ve been mentioning, America is undergoing a disastrous Great Reset in which changes necessitated by lockdowns are combining with the triumph of Ibram X. Kendi’s anti-white racist ideology during the Summer of George to lead authorities to make institutional changes that are likely to become permanent, with long-run deleterious effects on the dysfunctionality of American civilization.

    As DOJ lifer Bruce Ohr of pee-pee dossier fame demonstrates, high scoring Asians are just as corrupt and dysfunctional as the low scoring NAMs like Xavier Becerra and Kamala Harris. So for Lowell H.S., admissions lottery it is. And SF should rename Lowell after Ibram X. Kendi while they’re at it. As for high tech, it will become like Hollywood. Only insiders with family connections will get work. Kids of Silicon Valley tech oligarchs and managers will soon make up the whole workforce of Silicon Valley. Forget the whole credentialing thing. Indian caste system, here we come.

  9. @Buffalo Joe
    The comments on SF Gate are very telling. A race to the bottom. And as long as the topic is California, Squaw Valley, a great ski destination, will change its name because, well because "squaw" is racist, sexist, whatever . Squaw Island in the Niagara River, off the Buffalo shoreline, is now Unity Island. The same reasoning and the falsehood that squaw means "c-nt" in Mohawk. Never, ever heard that from all my Native American co workers. Never!

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Reg Cæsar

    Squaw Island in the Niagara River, off the Buffalo shoreline, is now Unity Island.

    This is almost as fake and gay as BLM Plaza.

    Almost.

  10. On a cost per kid basis, the “best” public schools merely suck least.

    The actual, out-of-taxpayer’s pocket cost of a Lowell kid must be in the $20-$30K per year range (i.e. at least twice the “official” figure).

    But that does not factor in the hit to civility caused by all the social engineering involved with the attempt to achieve of equality of outcomes.

    [MORE]

    By the way, again, the State of California has NO authorization to use a lottery for any purpose except for selling tickets to a game of chance,’with the net-proceeds (what little percentage though it may be) going to the schools.

    Therefore, if SFUSD hopes to award 600 or so annual, Lowell admission slots (i.e. grand prizes) by lottery, it had better be prepared to sell 100,000,000 tickets for $1 a piece.

  11. An interesting question is whether 2020 has seen whites splitting away from Asians on questions of meritocracy and coming to side with blacks because they feel it’s become hopeless trying to compete anymore with Asians on tests.

    Exactly, this should be celebrated by whites as the crushing of a means of their displacement. The school as it is just gives a huge advantage to FoB Asians allowing their advancement further and further into the elite and gaining more influence.

    A lot of begrudging conservatives always go on about immigrants ‘working’. Wrong, those are the ones you should fear, the poorer and uncompetitive immigrants are, the less influence they have to open the gates behind them.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Altai

    Aside from the tragedy of wasting human talent ( the guy whose advancement you have place a stumbling block in front of may be the guy who would have cured the disease you are going to die from), it's not going to work anyway. You are just going to get a bunch more overentitled Blacks who think that they deserve a sinecure on account of their credential. Meanwhile the guys who were excluded will find a way to succeed anyway. Unless you beat them in the head with a 2x4 you are not going to stop them.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Travis, @Hippopotamusdrome

    , @Anonymous
    @Altai

    The same meritocratic system that allows FOB Asians to rise up also allows whites without elite connections to rise up. That's where our salvation is gonna come from, not from the Romneys or the Kennedy's.


    A lot of begrudging conservatives always go on about immigrants ‘working’. Wrong, those are the ones you should fear, the poorer and uncompetitive immigrants are, the less influence they have to open the gates behind them.
     
    Yet I'd bet your revealed preference would be to live next to the richer and more competitive immigrants.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Guest007
    @Altai

    What many whites do not understand is how much Asians game the system. Many of those FOB Asians lie about their age and previous schooling. Many of the freshman are actually older had have taken advanced classes already.

    , @Stobber Mon
    @Altai

    Much of the reason FoB Asians have such an advantage is because they arrive unaffected by the cultural poison that is destroying our race. It's the stupider kind of racialist who yells that we've got to change the rules, the smarter kind asks why we're losing. Besides, it won't work anyway, you can take the kid out of the C-school, but you can't take the C-school out of the kid.

  12. Towards Bolivia …

    Of course its safe and warm there now. who cares about power sewage policing schooling etc.

  13. I assume rich whites in SF (to the extent that they have any children, which is not much) long ago abandoned the public schools for their kids. The real beneficiaries of a place like Lowell are poor but high IQ immigrants – in the old days these were Jews, nowadays Asians. They are the guys who will be winning the Nobel Prizes 20, 30, 40 years from now (if Nobels are still given out on merit). The good news is that the cream always rises to the top – all this wokism may slow them down but it’s not going to stop them. If the school sucks, they will go to cram school after school or watch videos on the internet. If Harvard won’t take them, they’ll go to Carnegie Mellon. In the end they are gonna do their thing.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, and the good private schools will find a way to take in the cream of the crop and offer them free or assisted tuition. And SF public schools will be the loser.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Prof. Woland

    , @Thomas
    @Jack D


    I assume rich whites in SF (to the extent that they have any children, which is not much) long ago abandoned the public schools for their kids.
     
    Rich whites who have children generally aren't raising them in SF. They wind up in, e.g., Hillsborough, Palo Alto, Atherton, Belvedere, etc. Being "rich" in SF means being really rich, the kind of rich whose kids have never gone to public school.

    The real beneficiaries of a place like Lowell are poor but high IQ immigrants – in the old days these were Jews, nowadays Asians. They are the guys who will be winning the Nobel Prizes 20, 30, 40 years from now (if Nobels are still given out on merit). The good news is that the cream always rises to the top – all this wokism may slow them down but it’s not going to stop them.
     
    How much room is there really going to be for meritocracy in post-2020 America? The pandemic has murdered a ton of small- and medium-sized businesses and further concentrated economic power into oligopolies. The tech industry, such as it is, seems to be content to coast forever off of ideas that are 10-15 years old. #Woke capitalism will make for a good excuse to knock down any upstarts who don't hire enough black tranny lesbian Muslims or donate millions to the Kendiman.

    The U.S. in 2020 looks a lot to me like the Soviet Union was in maybe 1980. How much room was there for cream to rise in the USSR? Maybe the Asian grinds will have to look back to the countries their parents and grandparents came from for meritocracy.

    Replies: @Jack D, @bomag, @turtle

    , @angmoh
    @Jack D

    Not sure that the cream will rise as quickly without these school though. One of the problems with teaching and schooling is the lowest common denominator problem. You are putting a bunch of kids together and there's no reason that academic success will be valued as high status - everyone knows of the smart kid who went of the rails in highschool hanging with the wrong crowd.

    Selective schools change that, being smart becomes an ID marker so that the kids are more likely to reach their potential academically. If you're only drawing from the pool of kids who are extremely motivated (or browbeaten by their parents) then you won't get the same good results as uplifting more smart kids by volume.

    , @Alden
    @Jack D

    Nobody sends their kids to San Francisco public schools It’s just not done. Why? There’s as many private high schools in San Francisco as public schools in SF.

    Private and religious schools are an old San Francisco thing. The first high schools were the catholic ones started in like 1851, Cathedral Prep.

    No one knows anyone who goes to public schools Would a San Franciscan wear real cold weather parkas in our 60 degree winters? No more would we send our kids to public schools.

    Some Jews who can afford private schools send the kids to public K-8 schools to save money for the million dollar bar mitzvahs , but private high school There’s even a private high school for gay kids

    It was bussing that drove the last Whites out of public schools 55 years ago Marina Jr High, Galileo. Presidio jr high Washington high school that serviced the wealthiest White neighborhoods were just invaded and pillaged by the black savages. Plenty of private and catholic schools in the same neighborhood

    Best thing about Lowell is that it’s way south west of the black neighborhoods so the bus commute was safer.

    The best private high school I ever heard of is in a grungy part of the mission. district. Catholic, girls only. Tuition only about $3,000 a year very affordable. Scholarships for everyone who needs it. It has all the academic college prep classes. What’s so great about it is that it’s also an old fashioned girl’s commercial business college.

    They have 3 years of Microsoft office all the applications. Starting second semester freshman year they take BART downtown 3 days a week to work as clerical help, not interns in financial district real offices, not non profit crap
    They have every kind of printer copier every kind of office machine and learn how to repair them. Plus some sort of web master training so they can do that too I think the girls are paid too not sure.

    Apparently the nuns noticed that girls graduate go to college and can’t get jobs. So they talked to the honchos in the financial district, got wads of money and set this up. The businesses get the tax deduction and insure a supply of trained AAs and office workers. Nuns don’t have to raise tuition and the girls learn useful job skills, not liberalology.

    I had a friend who went there back in the day when it was just college prep. I can’t remember the name.

    I believe it’s a common pattern that city Whites and Asians send the kids to private schools. Suburban Whites send the kids to the local public schools.

    , @Mordantly Obese Man
    @Jack D

    If Nobels are still given out by merit 40 years hence, I doubt these Asian super-strivers will be winning them. Maybe they’ll be the grant managers who disburse the funds that the real innovators depend on.

    1.4 billion people with 3,200 years of history behind them, and what is China’s greatest contribution to the world? Cheap fried food and kicking plywood while wearing pajamas.

    Replies: @Jon Halpenny

    , @Tyrade
    @Jack D

    Or...Atlas Shrugged? See you in the Hidden Valley, fellow achiever? And the mooches wallow in their ‘victory’.

  14. @Altai

    An interesting question is whether 2020 has seen whites splitting away from Asians on questions of meritocracy and coming to side with blacks because they feel it’s become hopeless trying to compete anymore with Asians on tests.
     
    Exactly, this should be celebrated by whites as the crushing of a means of their displacement. The school as it is just gives a huge advantage to FoB Asians allowing their advancement further and further into the elite and gaining more influence.

    A lot of begrudging conservatives always go on about immigrants 'working'. Wrong, those are the ones you should fear, the poorer and uncompetitive immigrants are, the less influence they have to open the gates behind them.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Guest007, @Stobber Mon

    Aside from the tragedy of wasting human talent ( the guy whose advancement you have place a stumbling block in front of may be the guy who would have cured the disease you are going to die from), it’s not going to work anyway. You are just going to get a bunch more overentitled Blacks who think that they deserve a sinecure on account of their credential. Meanwhile the guys who were excluded will find a way to succeed anyway. Unless you beat them in the head with a 2×4 you are not going to stop them.

    • Agree: AndrewR, epebble
    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @Jack D

    At least their football team will get better.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

    , @Travis
    @Jack D

    Going to a school which is now 12% Black instead of 2% Black will increase the risk that you are beat in the head with a 2 X 4. The risk of the girls being sexually assaulted also increased tenfold.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Jack D

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Jack D

    Unless you beat them in the head with a 2×4 you are not going to stop them.

     

    SJWs:
    http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/memes/challenge-accepted-meme-smiley-emoticon.png
  15. For many careers that used to be intellectually demanding, it’s not clear that academic achievement is as important as, say, one’s self-obsessions.

    How LGBT+ scientists would like to be included and welcomed in STEM workplaces
    Steps that peers and institutions can take to make laboratories, conferences and lecture halls safe and inclusive spaces.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02949-3

    ‘Invisible’: that is how many scientists from sexual and gender minorities (LGBT+) describe their status at their institution, laboratory, classroom or office. Sexual orientation and sexual and gender identity are not common topics of conversation in many science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) workplaces, and these scientists argue that they should be. They say that cloaking an important part of their identity at work can have dangerous consequences for mental health and career advancement, both for individual scientists and for the disciplines that could drive them away.

    • LOL: bomag
  16. Who the hell lives in San Francisco and why should I care about them? Can we just expel California already?

  17. Lowell High School is the promised land for Chinese immigrants so I am thrilled they are destroying it.

    Lowell was established at a time that well adjusted white people populated San Francisco.

    Now Chinese parents start plotting from the time a child is born how to get her into Lowell. Most white people want to let their kids have some semblance of a normal life so whites either funnel their kids into other public schools, get them into a private or move to the suburbs.

    Lowell being destroyed is also nice payback in that Chinese overwhelmingly vote democratic and love non white rule believing it is better for themselves. Well they are getting Democratic rule good and hard. They deserve it

    • Agree: JMcG, Alden, Mr. Grey
  18. Wonder what this will do for private schools?

  19. Not surprisingly, Lowell is only 18% white, 61% Asian, 8% mixed (mostly Eurasian), 10% Hispanic, and 2% black.

    This being San Francisco, do they poop in the hallways? Do the Chinese grandmothers come in to collect the “night soil”?

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Escher
    @Reg Cæsar

    Now that the lottery is starting, we can soon start seeing this vibrancy in the hallways.

  20. Now, its one good public high school, exam-using Lowell (the SF equivalent of NYC’s Stuyvesant and suburban DC’s Thomas Jefferson), is going to lottery admissions, perhaps permanently.

    “Good” for whom?

    Taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to pay for the educations of the cognitive elites.

  21. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    An interesting question is whether 2020 has seen whites splitting away from Asians on questions of meritocracy and coming to side with blacks because they feel it’s become hopeless trying to compete anymore with Asians on tests.
     
    Exactly, this should be celebrated by whites as the crushing of a means of their displacement. The school as it is just gives a huge advantage to FoB Asians allowing their advancement further and further into the elite and gaining more influence.

    A lot of begrudging conservatives always go on about immigrants 'working'. Wrong, those are the ones you should fear, the poorer and uncompetitive immigrants are, the less influence they have to open the gates behind them.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Guest007, @Stobber Mon

    The same meritocratic system that allows FOB Asians to rise up also allows whites without elite connections to rise up. That’s where our salvation is gonna come from, not from the Romneys or the Kennedy’s.

    A lot of begrudging conservatives always go on about immigrants ‘working’. Wrong, those are the ones you should fear, the poorer and uncompetitive immigrants are, the less influence they have to open the gates behind them.

    Yet I’d bet your revealed preference would be to live next to the richer and more competitive immigrants.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Anonymous


    The same meritocratic system that allows FOB Asians to rise up also allows whites without elite connections to rise up. That’s where our salvation is gonna come from, not from the Romneys or the Kennedy’s.
     
    Is this current meritocratic system delivering the goods? Maybe one reason Lowell high school et al are being changed is that the product has been found lacking.
  22. @Buffalo Joe
    The comments on SF Gate are very telling. A race to the bottom. And as long as the topic is California, Squaw Valley, a great ski destination, will change its name because, well because "squaw" is racist, sexist, whatever . Squaw Island in the Niagara River, off the Buffalo shoreline, is now Unity Island. The same reasoning and the falsehood that squaw means "c-nt" in Mohawk. Never, ever heard that from all my Native American co workers. Never!

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Reg Cæsar

    The same reasoning and the falsehood that squaw means “c-nt” in Mohawk.

    “Love Canal” kind of suggests that in English.

  23. I don’t live in the USA so I’ve no idea if it’s a bit different there, but where I’m at in the UK (in one of the most left leaning, internationalist places in the country – Oxford) I very much doubt it has much to do with ‘feeling hopeless trying to compete with Asians’, indeed the University has a special link on its homepage written in Chinese (in the ‘about’ tab… oh, above the ‘black history month’ in giant letters which currently occupies the main picture section…), and the govt here is scheming to import as many Hong Kongers as they can because they see them as high-value human capital. So over here at least it doesn’t seem much like ‘Asian competition’ is a fear (because ‘white interests’ is completely nonexistent as an idea, perhaps).

    On the other hand, the leftoid true believers who surround me couldn’t donate fast enough to BLM, demand more black students, decry ‘racist colonial’ symbols of the past and an education system that doesn’t mention slavery (really!?!) and downplays all our crimes, and also cry out to ‘educate’ themselves with reading lists of critical race theory stuff and radical black propaganda etc. They really, genuinely, believe in all that stuff. I suspect the liberasts in SanFran do, too.

    • Replies: @Reginald
    @Inselaffen

    I think you are correct. The difference in white and Asian test scores is not significant enough to warrant some concern, and that after decades and generations of psychological abuse and denigration that has worn “whites” down.

    It is absolutely stunning and appalling actually what the ruling class has done to us … the pure and unadulterated betrayal and treason against their own people, all simply so they could personally profit pennies on the million dollars.

    I will give the left and others one thing, I am really starting to question whether there may really be something either inherently flawed in “whites” to be allowing this all to happen and at this point likely things g so far gone that there is simply no way whatsoever to correct our fix it, with total demise and genocidal eradication of all European cultures and people being the consequence.

    Still feeling like we won WWII, or even just WWI for that matter? The more things unfold, it seems all the clearer that we didn’t win at all; but rather that we were sent off too die to defeat ourselves by the very same tribe of people agitating today and who have always hated Europeans.

  24. If entry is by lottery then who is going to want to go there? There’s probably more than one perfectly orthodox progressive person who teaches there who is three years short of making their retirement and they are going to see an instantaneous transition from nice school to shit hole.

    That part is karmic justice. The rest of it is just sad. : (

  25. So, the Teachers fail the unqualified students, the Teachers are told they can’t fail the unqualified students, the Teachers leave, the school falls apart.

    Good riddance to bad rubbish. All Public Schools in the USA are propaganda factories – every one destroyed should be celebrated by Liberty Lovers.

  26. Anon[224] • Disclaimer says:

    The Oct. 9 announcement sent immediate shock waves through the Lowell community …

    Where “Lowell community” means San Francisco Chinese-Americans.

    On GreatSchools.com this school is 10/10 on everything, including Equity (I guess Asians count as minorities on Great Schools). Asians are 52 percent, White 18 percent, Filipino/Pacific Islander/Native American/Miixed are maybe 12 percent, Hispanic 10 percent. English learners only 3 percent, and girls outnumber boys 58 to 42 percent.

    Blacks make up 2 percent of the student body (but 4 percent are “mixed”), and all of them “graduate,” but only 46 percent percent of them (over a state black average of 40 percent) are eligible for UC/CSU. The UC/CSU requriements are not that stiff (no calculus required, but you need either physics or chem). Only 26 percent of blacks took any AP course.

    https://www.greatschools.org/california/san-francisco/6397-Lowell-High-School/

    Some mixed anonymous comments on the site:

    — Bullying in class is uncontrolled by teachers

    [MORE]

    — complete and total lack of control or discipline of students and staff. My child is not safe here because the administration does not effectively act to punish and teach from bad student choices and behavior. Happy with the education, the true failure is in the administration’s facilitation of bullying, drug sale And use on and near campus, and cheating/stealing of student work

    — They have a practice where some students are allowed to skip lunch and take a class so potentially as a minor you can go the whole day without eating

    — SAT’s, GPA’s, and how many AP classes you can cram into your schedule seems to be the major preoccupation of students, parents, and administrators alike. What ever happened to the joy of learning?

    — A year after graduating from this great, although challenging high school, I can honestly say that if nothing else, Lowell prepares its students very well for a college workload. I’ve yet to hear of any of my graduating class severely struggle with the work at their colleges, regardless of what institution they are attending. Studying through 3-5 AP classes a semester will gear most students for college education

    — For those who complain about homework load, classes are individually chosen and AP courses are definitely not required. The only students with 4-7 hours of homework a night are taking more than 3 college level courses. Lowell offers so many opportunities for students to learn life skills, meet new people, and excel academically and socially. If you manage your time well, it is easy to join new clubs and try out for sports teams while managing a part-time job and great SAT scores. Lowell is by far the best public school in the city academically and opportunity wise. Go Cardinals!

    It sounds like AP classes are the new “tracking,” a way to keep away from black and other troublemaking kids.

    • Thanks: bomag
  27. OT:

    Lightbringer Soetero campaigning for Heels Up in Philly:

    Trump peaceful protest in NC:

    I don’t think they’re going to be able to fraud their way out of this….

  28. Going “lottery” in admissions will disconfirm the blank slate. Do it. I’m all in favor.

  29. @Jack D
    I assume rich whites in SF (to the extent that they have any children, which is not much) long ago abandoned the public schools for their kids. The real beneficiaries of a place like Lowell are poor but high IQ immigrants - in the old days these were Jews, nowadays Asians. They are the guys who will be winning the Nobel Prizes 20, 30, 40 years from now (if Nobels are still given out on merit). The good news is that the cream always rises to the top - all this wokism may slow them down but it's not going to stop them. If the school sucks, they will go to cram school after school or watch videos on the internet. If Harvard won't take them, they'll go to Carnegie Mellon. In the end they are gonna do their thing.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Thomas, @angmoh, @Alden, @Mordantly Obese Man, @Tyrade

    Jack, and the good private schools will find a way to take in the cream of the crop and offer them free or assisted tuition. And SF public schools will be the loser.

    • Replies: @TheBoom
    @Buffalo Joe

    "the good private schools will find a way to take in the cream of the crop and offer them free or assisted tuition"

    No they won't. It is almost impossible for a white child to get assistance at a San Francisco private school. That is reserved for blacks and Hispanics. If they don't charge full tuition, they want to be able to point and say "see, we are diverse." I know of from which I speak.

    Steve has done a good job over the years highlighting how white working class and poor are the low hanging fruit of talent to be tapped into but schools have no interest in don't so. And it is getting worse with all the talk of white privilege

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Buffalo Joe

    Actually, what I think they will do it bolt for the suburbs. Housing prices in Contra Costa County have gone through the roof much the way I think they have in other parts of the Bay Area. Since it looks like this work from home thing is to stay, what is the point of having your car windows smashed 10 times a year just so you have a short commute? Besides, there are lots of wealthy white boys for their daughters to date.

  30. You know what they say in AA : resentment is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die .

  31. My parents, as “independent schools” educators/administrators built their careers on the progressive destruction of public schools. White Americans face plain discrimination in the public sector, so those with money either move or fork out cash for private education. Asians got a pass for a long time because they aren’t white. I’m from Seattle, and I noticed early on that whites got bused, but Asians didn’t, unless they wanted it. Asians (mainly orientals at the time) had their own public schools that were left alone. Whites did not.

    I lived fairly close to the local black projects. Blacks were bused across the city to white neighborhoods while whites were brought into the black areas. In the meanwhile, several majority oriental schools, which were adjacent to the black ghetto, went unmolested. The only orientals who got bused were the Vietnamese refugees who lived amongst the blacks, and they were grateful for it.

    Social engineering over the last half century has specifically targeted whites, males in particular, for demotion. Lots of people devote their careers to this end. There has not been a similar push to do this to Asians/orientals. If there had been, they wouldn’t be doing so well, nor would they be immigrating here. A lot of baby boomers can’t grasp this fact, because it didn’t happen to them. One of my wealthy uncles is having a hard time because one of his sons committed suicide, and another has been reduced to penury by divorce. That isn’t how America is supposed to work, right? But it is how America works today.

    My two oldest kids are going to school in Canada, in a Vancouver suburb. Needless to say, they have lots of Asian/oriental classmates. Due to Canada’s practically racialist immigration policies, there are virtually no blacks there. There is no affirmative action to speak of. No busing. No intimidation by hulking black adolescents in the hallways. No worries about some black “child” knocking up your daughter or knocking out your son’s teeth.

    Somehow, despite all the orientals, the white kids are doing OK. My daughter got a gold medal (real gold!) for being the best student in her high school class last year. Her best friend, a Dutch Canadian girl, got runner up. My oldest son is top of his music classes there (and I’m musically illiterate). The school is half Asian/oriental.

    You guys have to wake up. IQ matters, but so does social oppression and exclusion. The US is not a meritocracy, and hasn’t been for a long time. In many places, it’s a politically correct shithole like South Africa. This is a beautiful country, but it’s in steep decline and there’s a lot of blame to go around.

    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates. In downtown Coeur d’Alene they outnumbered Washington plates, and Washington is only 15 miles away from CDA. What’s up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?

    Sorry to use such language, but the plague of older, entitled whites can’t end soon enough.

    • Agree: Occasional lurker
    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe, Mark G.
    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    @Bill P


    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates. In downtown Coeur d’Alene they outnumbered Washington plates, and Washington is only 15 miles away from CDA. What’s up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?
     
    What’s about to happen to CDA will be one of the saddest stories ever told. Nothing gold can stay.
    , @Barnard
    @Bill P

    I had read that Coeur D'Alene was attracting a lot of retired California cops when Mark Furhman retired there after the O.J. trial. The rate of Californians retiring there has probably increased since then.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Alden
    @Bill P

    2 boomer relatives who had their kids early 40s just don’t understand why their daughters and sons in laws, all 4 of them double math and computer programming majors around 30, haven’t found careers in their field. They’re White, that’s why. The father is supposed to be some kind of 150 IQ math genius. His father got a Nobel Prize physics nomination. But that was back in the 1950s.

    Math majors and the sons in law can’t even get public school math teacher jobs in anti White Seattle.

    You’re absolutely right that school bussing just sent White children into a vicious violent gulag run by black savages.

    Replies: @Kaz

    , @anon
    @Bill P


    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates.
     
    Say goodbye to Idaho as you know it. Those retard Californians take their retarded voting habits with them wherever they go. They've ruined WA, OR, CO, AZ, NV, and now, ID.

    I don't care if the Asians are getting screwed. Serves them right for voting (D). Let's see how many times they need to get kicked in the teeth by progressives before they wake up. I'm not holding out much hope. The young ones, esp. the women, are already widely supporting AA.

    Replies: @Icy Blast

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Bill P


    What’s up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?
     
    True, but look at it this way, California has been on the front lines of immigration / demographic change even though most of us never asked for it. We have been a buffer for the rest of the country and now we are leaving like refugees with PTSD. It is time for someone else to go up to the front lines.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    , @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Bill P


    Social engineering over the last half century has specifically targeted whites, males in particular, for demotion. Lots of people devote their careers to this end.
     
    Yes. 50 years and counting. And in every single one of those years, everyone acted as though it was happening for the first time ever. And to just a tiny little extent.

    You may think the water is warmer than it was before, but that's just because you're so used to it being pleasantly cool. We call that your privilege and we'll keep saying this until the temp reaches 212° Fahrenheit. Restorative justice!

    , @Flip
    @Bill P

    White flight on a continental level. European Americans will rebuild their civilization in the hinterlands.

  32. Boston is doing this too for its Boston Latin magnet school, also using Covid as the excuse. There, the school is 47% white (though no data on how many are Jewish).

    Here are the pro-exam protestors.

    I can’t say I feel much sympathy for them. And I doubt they’ll be inventing any exotic disease cures from which I might benefit.

  33. Perhaps it’s time to revisit the hilarious story of the $54 million disaster that is the Willie Brown Middle School. Silicon Valley startup guys mash up with the San Francisco school system and the whole enterprise goes south really fast.

    https://www.wired.com/story/willie-brown-middle-school-startup-mentality-failed/

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anon

    I read it. Willie Brown school is in the blackest part of the city. They haven’t worked since gr gr grandpa arrived from Texas and worked in the Hunter’s Point shipyards during WW2. Their savage spawn destroyed the Bayview Hunters Point schools by 1950 and the entire neighborhood. The kids have IQs in the low 80s to 70. Really. They behave like typical low ghetto black kids. It’s a dog eat dog neighborhood.

    The black bus drivers used to bring fire extinguishers and baseball bats because the black kids set fires and of course attacked people. They called the Silver AV route the Silver AV suicide route so many drivers were injured by kids, as well as adults.

    Plenty of Whites and Asians live there but it really hasn’t gentrified. It’s full of section 8 houses and apartments and of course the infamous projects

    The kids arrived with 1st and 2nd grade reading and math skills. They are vicious violent aggressive bullies.

    Tech hypocrites. Blather and blithering about educating Americans for the wonderful world of STEM jobs and hire only Asian and Indian FOB foreigners.

    As our grandparents said when they moved to the suburbs. White flight is White revenge.

    Replies: @Jack D

  34. “long-run deleterious effects on the dysfunctionality of American civilization”

    You mean functionality. We would welcome deleterious effects on dysfunction, I think.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @TomSchmidt

    Language Nazi whips out his Iron Blue Pencil of Doom.

    It is true that "functionality" is the correct usage, in this phrasing. But the key here is... In. This. Phrasing.

    Oftentimes, the best solution is not to correct, but to rewrite.

    "The dysfunctionality of American civilization" is a very strong phrase, and it strongly communicates the central idea that Steve is trying to convey. Changing the word "dysfunctionality" to correctly grammatically match the weak (because long, rarely-used, and slippery) word "deleterious" is proper grammar but poor writing.

    Better would be to rewrite the whole sentence, so that "dysfunctionallity" is preserved, and the weak "deleterious" is replaced with a strong supporting word like "destructive" or some variant of "wreckage".

    You might say something like "the long-running destructive effects which cause so much of the dysfunctionality etc".

    Someone taking a minute's thought could probably get something more elegant, but, you get the idea. Rewriting is often better than correction.

    Language Nazi has spoken. This edict is not binding, nor is it final, but a wink is as good as a nod. And besides, my Walther is pointed directly at your testicles.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  35. @Altai

    An interesting question is whether 2020 has seen whites splitting away from Asians on questions of meritocracy and coming to side with blacks because they feel it’s become hopeless trying to compete anymore with Asians on tests.
     
    Exactly, this should be celebrated by whites as the crushing of a means of their displacement. The school as it is just gives a huge advantage to FoB Asians allowing their advancement further and further into the elite and gaining more influence.

    A lot of begrudging conservatives always go on about immigrants 'working'. Wrong, those are the ones you should fear, the poorer and uncompetitive immigrants are, the less influence they have to open the gates behind them.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Guest007, @Stobber Mon

    What many whites do not understand is how much Asians game the system. Many of those FOB Asians lie about their age and previous schooling. Many of the freshman are actually older had have taken advanced classes already.

  36. Why are Asians Democrats? I don’t get it. Is it just they believe the propaganda that Republican are racist? They are the big losers from affirmative action policies.

    On a personal note, one of my daughters went to Lowell. She hated it because she was smart but not intellectually motivated and did not fit in with the nerdy Asian kids. She did do well in the Arts there but would have been better off and happier at SOTA (School of the Arts). Because of her bad experience I sent my younger daughter to a tony private school which cost me more than 2 Tesla S’s. She probably would have done better at Lowell (she is an engineer) but she really liked her high school so I guess it was worth it.

    The public schools in SF are so corrupt it is mind bending. In the 1990’s there was 3 initiatives to fund arts in the schools which all passed leading to tax increases but no actual extra funding for the arts. In 2000 they actually hired a really good superintendent Arlene Ackerman (a black Michelle Rhee) who actually fixed the budgetary process, got rid of some corrupt officials and by the end of her reign got rising test scores among all youth (especially blacks but Hispanics also did well). Of course they had to get rid of her. Eventually they brought in Richard Carranza who learned how to ruin public schools in SF and put that hard won knowledge to use in undermining NY public schools.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  37. @Altai

    An interesting question is whether 2020 has seen whites splitting away from Asians on questions of meritocracy and coming to side with blacks because they feel it’s become hopeless trying to compete anymore with Asians on tests.
     
    Exactly, this should be celebrated by whites as the crushing of a means of their displacement. The school as it is just gives a huge advantage to FoB Asians allowing their advancement further and further into the elite and gaining more influence.

    A lot of begrudging conservatives always go on about immigrants 'working'. Wrong, those are the ones you should fear, the poorer and uncompetitive immigrants are, the less influence they have to open the gates behind them.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous, @Guest007, @Stobber Mon

    Much of the reason FoB Asians have such an advantage is because they arrive unaffected by the cultural poison that is destroying our race. It’s the stupider kind of racialist who yells that we’ve got to change the rules, the smarter kind asks why we’re losing. Besides, it won’t work anyway, you can take the kid out of the C-school, but you can’t take the C-school out of the kid.

  38. @Jack D
    I assume rich whites in SF (to the extent that they have any children, which is not much) long ago abandoned the public schools for their kids. The real beneficiaries of a place like Lowell are poor but high IQ immigrants - in the old days these were Jews, nowadays Asians. They are the guys who will be winning the Nobel Prizes 20, 30, 40 years from now (if Nobels are still given out on merit). The good news is that the cream always rises to the top - all this wokism may slow them down but it's not going to stop them. If the school sucks, they will go to cram school after school or watch videos on the internet. If Harvard won't take them, they'll go to Carnegie Mellon. In the end they are gonna do their thing.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Thomas, @angmoh, @Alden, @Mordantly Obese Man, @Tyrade

    I assume rich whites in SF (to the extent that they have any children, which is not much) long ago abandoned the public schools for their kids.

    Rich whites who have children generally aren’t raising them in SF. They wind up in, e.g., Hillsborough, Palo Alto, Atherton, Belvedere, etc. Being “rich” in SF means being really rich, the kind of rich whose kids have never gone to public school.

    The real beneficiaries of a place like Lowell are poor but high IQ immigrants – in the old days these were Jews, nowadays Asians. They are the guys who will be winning the Nobel Prizes 20, 30, 40 years from now (if Nobels are still given out on merit). The good news is that the cream always rises to the top – all this wokism may slow them down but it’s not going to stop them.

    How much room is there really going to be for meritocracy in post-2020 America? The pandemic has murdered a ton of small- and medium-sized businesses and further concentrated economic power into oligopolies. The tech industry, such as it is, seems to be content to coast forever off of ideas that are 10-15 years old. #Woke capitalism will make for a good excuse to knock down any upstarts who don’t hire enough black tranny lesbian Muslims or donate millions to the Kendiman.

    The U.S. in 2020 looks a lot to me like the Soviet Union was in maybe 1980. How much room was there for cream to rise in the USSR? Maybe the Asian grinds will have to look back to the countries their parents and grandparents came from for meritocracy.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Thomas

    I don't think we're quite up to Soviet standards yet (although for a while it WAS hard to get toilet paper). The fact that after some initial disruptions you can now get almost everything shows that the US economy is still dynamic enough to deal with shocks in a way that the Soviet economy never was. Yes the pandemic and wokism has dealt a blow to mom & pop businesses and given a boost to Bezos, but I think this is temporary. You can see that small businesses adapted fairly quickly - converting to take out only, changing their menus, etc. plus there were small businesses that began making and selling masks, etc. I still think there is a place for B&M retail - the key is to compete on service (e.g. providing truly helpful advice, not just trying to push the most expensive item) and not just on price. To tell the truth, Amazon is not that cheap on many items because they have to factor delivery into their price.

    There are in fact cases of bright young Asian immigrants going back to Asia but plenty will stay here and found businesses. Amazon has 1/2 of all ecommerce but only 5% of total retail sales. In other words, B&M retail is still 90% of the total. And retail is not the only type of business.

    Replies: @prosa123

    , @bomag
    @Thomas


    How much room is there really going to be for meritocracy in post-2020 America?
     
    That's kinda it. Colleges and business are heavily compromised by politics; some inertia for merit in the hard sciences, but we seem to get stories daily about wokeness seeping in.

    The Asian rise in elite institutions strikes me a bit like people rushing onto the beach as the tide goes out.
    , @turtle
    @Thomas


    The U.S. in 2020 looks a lot to me like the Soviet Union was in maybe 1980.
     
    Possibly with similar (political) life expectancy.
  39. • Replies: @Thomas
    @MEH 0910

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese

    Everything old is new again.

    , @Jack D
    @MEH 0910

    No one will collect a dime.


    The legislation in San Francisco would allow a person who was the subject of a false or frivolous 911 call to sue the caller for at least $1,000 if the police responded and if the person was harmed in some way.
     
    The second part is easy because emotional trauma is included but the first part - the cops actually showing up - fuggedaboutit.
  40. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1318918751044194307

    Replies: @Thomas, @Jack D

  41. Its like the Chinese Cultural Revolution….it won’t end til the billionaires get their daughters knocked up by some thugs….

  42. @Jack D
    I assume rich whites in SF (to the extent that they have any children, which is not much) long ago abandoned the public schools for their kids. The real beneficiaries of a place like Lowell are poor but high IQ immigrants - in the old days these were Jews, nowadays Asians. They are the guys who will be winning the Nobel Prizes 20, 30, 40 years from now (if Nobels are still given out on merit). The good news is that the cream always rises to the top - all this wokism may slow them down but it's not going to stop them. If the school sucks, they will go to cram school after school or watch videos on the internet. If Harvard won't take them, they'll go to Carnegie Mellon. In the end they are gonna do their thing.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Thomas, @angmoh, @Alden, @Mordantly Obese Man, @Tyrade

    Not sure that the cream will rise as quickly without these school though. One of the problems with teaching and schooling is the lowest common denominator problem. You are putting a bunch of kids together and there’s no reason that academic success will be valued as high status – everyone knows of the smart kid who went of the rails in highschool hanging with the wrong crowd.

    Selective schools change that, being smart becomes an ID marker so that the kids are more likely to reach their potential academically. If you’re only drawing from the pool of kids who are extremely motivated (or browbeaten by their parents) then you won’t get the same good results as uplifting more smart kids by volume.

  43. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, and the good private schools will find a way to take in the cream of the crop and offer them free or assisted tuition. And SF public schools will be the loser.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Prof. Woland

    “the good private schools will find a way to take in the cream of the crop and offer them free or assisted tuition”

    No they won’t. It is almost impossible for a white child to get assistance at a San Francisco private school. That is reserved for blacks and Hispanics. If they don’t charge full tuition, they want to be able to point and say “see, we are diverse.” I know of from which I speak.

    Steve has done a good job over the years highlighting how white working class and poor are the low hanging fruit of talent to be tapped into but schools have no interest in don’t so. And it is getting worse with all the talk of white privilege

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @TheBoom

    TheBoom, I will defer to your apparent personal knowledge of this because I am on the other coast. But around here there is money available at the prep schools and private schools for these children. Stay safe.

  44. @Thomas
    @Jack D


    I assume rich whites in SF (to the extent that they have any children, which is not much) long ago abandoned the public schools for their kids.
     
    Rich whites who have children generally aren't raising them in SF. They wind up in, e.g., Hillsborough, Palo Alto, Atherton, Belvedere, etc. Being "rich" in SF means being really rich, the kind of rich whose kids have never gone to public school.

    The real beneficiaries of a place like Lowell are poor but high IQ immigrants – in the old days these were Jews, nowadays Asians. They are the guys who will be winning the Nobel Prizes 20, 30, 40 years from now (if Nobels are still given out on merit). The good news is that the cream always rises to the top – all this wokism may slow them down but it’s not going to stop them.
     
    How much room is there really going to be for meritocracy in post-2020 America? The pandemic has murdered a ton of small- and medium-sized businesses and further concentrated economic power into oligopolies. The tech industry, such as it is, seems to be content to coast forever off of ideas that are 10-15 years old. #Woke capitalism will make for a good excuse to knock down any upstarts who don't hire enough black tranny lesbian Muslims or donate millions to the Kendiman.

    The U.S. in 2020 looks a lot to me like the Soviet Union was in maybe 1980. How much room was there for cream to rise in the USSR? Maybe the Asian grinds will have to look back to the countries their parents and grandparents came from for meritocracy.

    Replies: @Jack D, @bomag, @turtle

    I don’t think we’re quite up to Soviet standards yet (although for a while it WAS hard to get toilet paper). The fact that after some initial disruptions you can now get almost everything shows that the US economy is still dynamic enough to deal with shocks in a way that the Soviet economy never was. Yes the pandemic and wokism has dealt a blow to mom & pop businesses and given a boost to Bezos, but I think this is temporary. You can see that small businesses adapted fairly quickly – converting to take out only, changing their menus, etc. plus there were small businesses that began making and selling masks, etc. I still think there is a place for B&M retail – the key is to compete on service (e.g. providing truly helpful advice, not just trying to push the most expensive item) and not just on price. To tell the truth, Amazon is not that cheap on many items because they have to factor delivery into their price.

    There are in fact cases of bright young Asian immigrants going back to Asia but plenty will stay here and found businesses. Amazon has 1/2 of all ecommerce but only 5% of total retail sales. In other words, B&M retail is still 90% of the total. And retail is not the only type of business.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Jack D

    All or most of the consumer products shortages we've experienced have been the result of very high demand rather than manufacturing snags. That certainly was the case with toilet paper in the spring; the paper mills were in full operation but panic buying led to shortages. I suppose the current, less severe shortages of paper towels are manufacturer-driven, as many mills had converted their production lines to toilet paper. Shortages of food products like pasta and dried beans were also the result of panic buying.

    The ongoing, very severe shortage of guns and ammo is a classic case of panic buying, and if Biden wins it's likely to continue for a prolonged period. Home fitness equipment is also very hard to find, but that will get better now that most commercial gyms have reopened.

    As for Amazon, the one competitor the company fears is Walmart, what with its expanded online sales. Walmart cultivates an aw-shucks cornpone image, but its top managemet is very smart and very skilled.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  45. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1318918751044194307

    Replies: @Thomas, @Jack D

    No one will collect a dime.

    The legislation in San Francisco would allow a person who was the subject of a false or frivolous 911 call to sue the caller for at least $1,000 if the police responded and if the person was harmed in some way.

    The second part is easy because emotional trauma is included but the first part – the cops actually showing up – fuggedaboutit.

  46. Change “deleterious effects on the dysfunctionality”

    To “deleterious effects on the functionality”

  47. @Bill P
    My parents, as "independent schools" educators/administrators built their careers on the progressive destruction of public schools. White Americans face plain discrimination in the public sector, so those with money either move or fork out cash for private education. Asians got a pass for a long time because they aren't white. I'm from Seattle, and I noticed early on that whites got bused, but Asians didn't, unless they wanted it. Asians (mainly orientals at the time) had their own public schools that were left alone. Whites did not.

    I lived fairly close to the local black projects. Blacks were bused across the city to white neighborhoods while whites were brought into the black areas. In the meanwhile, several majority oriental schools, which were adjacent to the black ghetto, went unmolested. The only orientals who got bused were the Vietnamese refugees who lived amongst the blacks, and they were grateful for it.

    Social engineering over the last half century has specifically targeted whites, males in particular, for demotion. Lots of people devote their careers to this end. There has not been a similar push to do this to Asians/orientals. If there had been, they wouldn't be doing so well, nor would they be immigrating here. A lot of baby boomers can't grasp this fact, because it didn't happen to them. One of my wealthy uncles is having a hard time because one of his sons committed suicide, and another has been reduced to penury by divorce. That isn't how America is supposed to work, right? But it is how America works today.

    My two oldest kids are going to school in Canada, in a Vancouver suburb. Needless to say, they have lots of Asian/oriental classmates. Due to Canada's practically racialist immigration policies, there are virtually no blacks there. There is no affirmative action to speak of. No busing. No intimidation by hulking black adolescents in the hallways. No worries about some black "child" knocking up your daughter or knocking out your son's teeth.

    Somehow, despite all the orientals, the white kids are doing OK. My daughter got a gold medal (real gold!) for being the best student in her high school class last year. Her best friend, a Dutch Canadian girl, got runner up. My oldest son is top of his music classes there (and I'm musically illiterate). The school is half Asian/oriental.

    You guys have to wake up. IQ matters, but so does social oppression and exclusion. The US is not a meritocracy, and hasn't been for a long time. In many places, it's a politically correct shithole like South Africa. This is a beautiful country, but it's in steep decline and there's a lot of blame to go around.

    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates. In downtown Coeur d'Alene they outnumbered Washington plates, and Washington is only 15 miles away from CDA. What's up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?

    Sorry to use such language, but the plague of older, entitled whites can't end soon enough.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Barnard, @Alden, @anon, @Prof. Woland, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Flip

    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates. In downtown Coeur d’Alene they outnumbered Washington plates, and Washington is only 15 miles away from CDA. What’s up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?

    What’s about to happen to CDA will be one of the saddest stories ever told. Nothing gold can stay.

  48. After the lottery will the pace of instruction be maintained?

    Will the school only offer Algebra II in 9th grade?

  49. I’m in my car on Sloat Blvd., about 300 yards from Lowell, right now. A young guy on one of those motorized unicycles just went by playing a country ballad. Weird. The drag races should commence any time. I’m sure I can count on the guy in the loud ‘64 Dodge 440 who doesn’t use headlights.

    To me, the great thing about Covid is that I don’t have to look at all the Orcs dropping their kids off at the elementary school next to Lowell. Massively obese, every one. Heft has to be a strategy among blacks – you get to intimidate and probably better survive a bullet. I know one Lowell grad who probably supports the change – Larry Baer. His organization is so woke, how could he resist?

    • Replies: @a Newsreader
    @Marty


    motorized unicycles
     
    What?
  50. @Bill P
    My parents, as "independent schools" educators/administrators built their careers on the progressive destruction of public schools. White Americans face plain discrimination in the public sector, so those with money either move or fork out cash for private education. Asians got a pass for a long time because they aren't white. I'm from Seattle, and I noticed early on that whites got bused, but Asians didn't, unless they wanted it. Asians (mainly orientals at the time) had their own public schools that were left alone. Whites did not.

    I lived fairly close to the local black projects. Blacks were bused across the city to white neighborhoods while whites were brought into the black areas. In the meanwhile, several majority oriental schools, which were adjacent to the black ghetto, went unmolested. The only orientals who got bused were the Vietnamese refugees who lived amongst the blacks, and they were grateful for it.

    Social engineering over the last half century has specifically targeted whites, males in particular, for demotion. Lots of people devote their careers to this end. There has not been a similar push to do this to Asians/orientals. If there had been, they wouldn't be doing so well, nor would they be immigrating here. A lot of baby boomers can't grasp this fact, because it didn't happen to them. One of my wealthy uncles is having a hard time because one of his sons committed suicide, and another has been reduced to penury by divorce. That isn't how America is supposed to work, right? But it is how America works today.

    My two oldest kids are going to school in Canada, in a Vancouver suburb. Needless to say, they have lots of Asian/oriental classmates. Due to Canada's practically racialist immigration policies, there are virtually no blacks there. There is no affirmative action to speak of. No busing. No intimidation by hulking black adolescents in the hallways. No worries about some black "child" knocking up your daughter or knocking out your son's teeth.

    Somehow, despite all the orientals, the white kids are doing OK. My daughter got a gold medal (real gold!) for being the best student in her high school class last year. Her best friend, a Dutch Canadian girl, got runner up. My oldest son is top of his music classes there (and I'm musically illiterate). The school is half Asian/oriental.

    You guys have to wake up. IQ matters, but so does social oppression and exclusion. The US is not a meritocracy, and hasn't been for a long time. In many places, it's a politically correct shithole like South Africa. This is a beautiful country, but it's in steep decline and there's a lot of blame to go around.

    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates. In downtown Coeur d'Alene they outnumbered Washington plates, and Washington is only 15 miles away from CDA. What's up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?

    Sorry to use such language, but the plague of older, entitled whites can't end soon enough.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Barnard, @Alden, @anon, @Prof. Woland, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Flip

    I had read that Coeur D’Alene was attracting a lot of retired California cops when Mark Furhman retired there after the O.J. trial. The rate of Californians retiring there has probably increased since then.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Barnard

    Seems like they might have a problem adjusting to the cold weather. Why not New Mexico or Texas? (I think Arizona is already a little overpopulated; same with Nevada.)

  51. It seems to me that standardized tests would be harder to grind for if they were more g-loaded, and less focused on specific knowledge, Analogies, backward digit span, Ravens progressive matrices…I am fairly sure that there are tests that are very difficult to study for.

    The big problem with the current SAT is that it is not an aptitude test, but an achievement test, so a few hours a day for eight or so years, and one can test very well. Does that really show ability? As a society, do we want children to spend their childhood’s filling in bubbles? Especially when most of that sort of training does not show far transfer. The grinds are not getting smarter in test prep.

    Given that Asians are willing to do extensive test prep, so that a kid with a 110 IQ tests at 125, maybe the best way to select students is taking everyone above a cutoff, and letting the dumbs transfer out when they realize their talent for being a member of their race does not impart scholastic ability. Am certainly including many whites among those dumbs, not just blacks, mestizos, and Indios.

    My personal preference might be pure meritocracy. But all races should be represented to some extent. I don’t mind some races being over or under-represented somewhat, but having Jews and Asians be five-fold over represented does not seem like a formula for a stable, healthy society. For one thing, America worked best when the elite were not of hugely different stock than everyone else. At the extreme, look at the American South. The planters were a different ethnicity than most of the non-elite whites, and a different race than the poor slaves, The Southern aristocracy did not arrange society in the best interests of most of the population. Likewise the heavily Jewish elite considers itself better than everyone who didn’t go to a selective university, and drove factories out of America to punish the flyover whites for not being intellectuals.

    I think being three-fold over or under-represented should be the limits for moderately selective schools that feed into the professional-managerial class and up. At the highest levels, maybe pure meritocracy has a place, but blacks and gentile whites deserve a seat at the table when decisions are made.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Rob

    White southerners were almost entirely homogenous ethnically, indeed outside the industrialized cities of the north, the entire United States was.

    Brothers literally fought brothers in some examples.

  52. @Jack D
    I assume rich whites in SF (to the extent that they have any children, which is not much) long ago abandoned the public schools for their kids. The real beneficiaries of a place like Lowell are poor but high IQ immigrants - in the old days these were Jews, nowadays Asians. They are the guys who will be winning the Nobel Prizes 20, 30, 40 years from now (if Nobels are still given out on merit). The good news is that the cream always rises to the top - all this wokism may slow them down but it's not going to stop them. If the school sucks, they will go to cram school after school or watch videos on the internet. If Harvard won't take them, they'll go to Carnegie Mellon. In the end they are gonna do their thing.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Thomas, @angmoh, @Alden, @Mordantly Obese Man, @Tyrade

    Nobody sends their kids to San Francisco public schools It’s just not done. Why? There’s as many private high schools in San Francisco as public schools in SF.

    Private and religious schools are an old San Francisco thing. The first high schools were the catholic ones started in like 1851, Cathedral Prep.

    No one knows anyone who goes to public schools Would a San Franciscan wear real cold weather parkas in our 60 degree winters? No more would we send our kids to public schools.

    Some Jews who can afford private schools send the kids to public K-8 schools to save money for the million dollar bar mitzvahs , but private high school There’s even a private high school for gay kids

    It was bussing that drove the last Whites out of public schools 55 years ago Marina Jr High, Galileo. Presidio jr high Washington high school that serviced the wealthiest White neighborhoods were just invaded and pillaged by the black savages. Plenty of private and catholic schools in the same neighborhood

    Best thing about Lowell is that it’s way south west of the black neighborhoods so the bus commute was safer.

    The best private high school I ever heard of is in a grungy part of the mission. district. Catholic, girls only. Tuition only about $3,000 a year very affordable. Scholarships for everyone who needs it. It has all the academic college prep classes. What’s so great about it is that it’s also an old fashioned girl’s commercial business college.

    They have 3 years of Microsoft office all the applications. Starting second semester freshman year they take BART downtown 3 days a week to work as clerical help, not interns in financial district real offices, not non profit crap
    They have every kind of printer copier every kind of office machine and learn how to repair them. Plus some sort of web master training so they can do that too I think the girls are paid too not sure.

    Apparently the nuns noticed that girls graduate go to college and can’t get jobs. So they talked to the honchos in the financial district, got wads of money and set this up. The businesses get the tax deduction and insure a supply of trained AAs and office workers. Nuns don’t have to raise tuition and the girls learn useful job skills, not liberalology.

    I had a friend who went there back in the day when it was just college prep. I can’t remember the name.

    I believe it’s a common pattern that city Whites and Asians send the kids to private schools. Suburban Whites send the kids to the local public schools.

  53. As I’ve been mentioning, America is undergoing a disastrous Great Reset in which changes necessitated by lockdowns are combining with the triumph of Ibram X.

    Ahh the lockdown, brought to us by the Really Smart Engineer-Kings.

    Kendi’s anti-white racist ideology during the Summer of George to lead authorities to make institutional changes that are likely to become permanent, with long-run deleterious effects on the dysfunctionality of American civilization.

    Are they messing with the special set-aside the High IQ White People thought they had? Being thrown in the general population with the rest of the proles, are ya? Good luck!

    https://i.insider.com/5586ff51eab8ea8e38bff0f2?width=480

  54. @Jack D
    I assume rich whites in SF (to the extent that they have any children, which is not much) long ago abandoned the public schools for their kids. The real beneficiaries of a place like Lowell are poor but high IQ immigrants - in the old days these were Jews, nowadays Asians. They are the guys who will be winning the Nobel Prizes 20, 30, 40 years from now (if Nobels are still given out on merit). The good news is that the cream always rises to the top - all this wokism may slow them down but it's not going to stop them. If the school sucks, they will go to cram school after school or watch videos on the internet. If Harvard won't take them, they'll go to Carnegie Mellon. In the end they are gonna do their thing.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Thomas, @angmoh, @Alden, @Mordantly Obese Man, @Tyrade

    If Nobels are still given out by merit 40 years hence, I doubt these Asian super-strivers will be winning them. Maybe they’ll be the grant managers who disburse the funds that the real innovators depend on.

    1.4 billion people with 3,200 years of history behind them, and what is China’s greatest contribution to the world? Cheap fried food and kicking plywood while wearing pajamas.

    • Replies: @Jon Halpenny
    @Mordantly Obese Man

    Some of the greatest inventions were developed by Chinese men.

    Gunpowder, Compass, Paper, Printing.

  55. Support Black Art! Facebook does.

    Instagram refuses to remove ‘black art’ depicting severed heads of white people citing ‘differences of expression’

    Despite an ongoing crackdown on offensive content, Facebook-owned Instagram refused to remove the ‘black art’, claiming it didn’t violate community guidelines.

    “Because Instagram is a global community, we understand that people may express themselves differently,” Instagram said in response to an enquiry about the piece.

    https://www.rt.com/news/504115-instagram-refuses-remove-black-woman-white-people-severed-heads/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CGaX7ZAhvNE/?utm_source=ig_embed

  56. From the article:

    board member Alison Collins — who appeared to think her mic was muted — said, “I’m listening to a bunch of racists.”

    So I looked her up: https://sfpsmom.com/love-can-change-the-world/

    She is a real piece of work. A very white presenting daughter of black father and a white mother. Yet, despite her guilt over her “light skin privilege,” she married a white man and know has even whiter looking twin girls. The mixed race blacks always seem to be tortured souls that go all in on blackness (except for choice of mate in this one), ruining society as they try to work through their crisis of identity.

  57. it’s become hopeless trying to compete anymore with Asians on tests.

    Why do we need these people, again? Didn’t White America walk on the moon without the blessings of diversity?

  58. @Jack D
    @Thomas

    I don't think we're quite up to Soviet standards yet (although for a while it WAS hard to get toilet paper). The fact that after some initial disruptions you can now get almost everything shows that the US economy is still dynamic enough to deal with shocks in a way that the Soviet economy never was. Yes the pandemic and wokism has dealt a blow to mom & pop businesses and given a boost to Bezos, but I think this is temporary. You can see that small businesses adapted fairly quickly - converting to take out only, changing their menus, etc. plus there were small businesses that began making and selling masks, etc. I still think there is a place for B&M retail - the key is to compete on service (e.g. providing truly helpful advice, not just trying to push the most expensive item) and not just on price. To tell the truth, Amazon is not that cheap on many items because they have to factor delivery into their price.

    There are in fact cases of bright young Asian immigrants going back to Asia but plenty will stay here and found businesses. Amazon has 1/2 of all ecommerce but only 5% of total retail sales. In other words, B&M retail is still 90% of the total. And retail is not the only type of business.

    Replies: @prosa123

    All or most of the consumer products shortages we’ve experienced have been the result of very high demand rather than manufacturing snags. That certainly was the case with toilet paper in the spring; the paper mills were in full operation but panic buying led to shortages. I suppose the current, less severe shortages of paper towels are manufacturer-driven, as many mills had converted their production lines to toilet paper. Shortages of food products like pasta and dried beans were also the result of panic buying.

    The ongoing, very severe shortage of guns and ammo is a classic case of panic buying, and if Biden wins it’s likely to continue for a prolonged period. Home fitness equipment is also very hard to find, but that will get better now that most commercial gyms have reopened.

    As for Amazon, the one competitor the company fears is Walmart, what with its expanded online sales. Walmart cultivates an aw-shucks cornpone image, but its top managemet is very smart and very skilled.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @prosa123

    Steve has pointed out that Walmart has kept its Bentonville, Arkansas headquarters and surroundings purposefully bereft of up-scale amenities to ensure that its purchasing agents wouldn't be wined and dined and otherwise paid off by contractors.

  59. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:

    If white kids aren’t in SF public schools anymore, then how are they losing out by getting rid of a public school merit system? They aren’t. They’re just ensuring that poor but smart Asian immigrants can’t compete with whites after college because Asians spent too many years getting their egos crushed by being beaten to a pulp by black ghetto kids. SF whites just want Asians to learn their place in the pecking order–at the bottom.

  60. @Bill P
    My parents, as "independent schools" educators/administrators built their careers on the progressive destruction of public schools. White Americans face plain discrimination in the public sector, so those with money either move or fork out cash for private education. Asians got a pass for a long time because they aren't white. I'm from Seattle, and I noticed early on that whites got bused, but Asians didn't, unless they wanted it. Asians (mainly orientals at the time) had their own public schools that were left alone. Whites did not.

    I lived fairly close to the local black projects. Blacks were bused across the city to white neighborhoods while whites were brought into the black areas. In the meanwhile, several majority oriental schools, which were adjacent to the black ghetto, went unmolested. The only orientals who got bused were the Vietnamese refugees who lived amongst the blacks, and they were grateful for it.

    Social engineering over the last half century has specifically targeted whites, males in particular, for demotion. Lots of people devote their careers to this end. There has not been a similar push to do this to Asians/orientals. If there had been, they wouldn't be doing so well, nor would they be immigrating here. A lot of baby boomers can't grasp this fact, because it didn't happen to them. One of my wealthy uncles is having a hard time because one of his sons committed suicide, and another has been reduced to penury by divorce. That isn't how America is supposed to work, right? But it is how America works today.

    My two oldest kids are going to school in Canada, in a Vancouver suburb. Needless to say, they have lots of Asian/oriental classmates. Due to Canada's practically racialist immigration policies, there are virtually no blacks there. There is no affirmative action to speak of. No busing. No intimidation by hulking black adolescents in the hallways. No worries about some black "child" knocking up your daughter or knocking out your son's teeth.

    Somehow, despite all the orientals, the white kids are doing OK. My daughter got a gold medal (real gold!) for being the best student in her high school class last year. Her best friend, a Dutch Canadian girl, got runner up. My oldest son is top of his music classes there (and I'm musically illiterate). The school is half Asian/oriental.

    You guys have to wake up. IQ matters, but so does social oppression and exclusion. The US is not a meritocracy, and hasn't been for a long time. In many places, it's a politically correct shithole like South Africa. This is a beautiful country, but it's in steep decline and there's a lot of blame to go around.

    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates. In downtown Coeur d'Alene they outnumbered Washington plates, and Washington is only 15 miles away from CDA. What's up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?

    Sorry to use such language, but the plague of older, entitled whites can't end soon enough.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Barnard, @Alden, @anon, @Prof. Woland, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Flip

    2 boomer relatives who had their kids early 40s just don’t understand why their daughters and sons in laws, all 4 of them double math and computer programming majors around 30, haven’t found careers in their field. They’re White, that’s why. The father is supposed to be some kind of 150 IQ math genius. His father got a Nobel Prize physics nomination. But that was back in the 1950s.

    Math majors and the sons in law can’t even get public school math teacher jobs in anti White Seattle.

    You’re absolutely right that school bussing just sent White children into a vicious violent gulag run by black savages.

    • Replies: @Kaz
    @Alden

    Maybe something is wrong with them that you're not privy to?

    Programming, data science, consulting jobs all heavily seek candidates with programming/math knowledge.

    And they can't manage to find something in Seattle, a city with a booming jobs market in said fields..?

    Replies: @Alden

  61. How much room is there really going to be for meritocracy in post-2020 America? The pandemic has murdered a ton of small- and medium-sized businesses and further concentrated economic power into oligopolies. The tech industry, such as it is, seems to be content to coast forever off of ideas that are 10-15 years old.

    Your last sentence answers your question: some bright young guys will come up with new ideas and put the oligopolies out of business. I agree with most of Jack’s answer to you, except that non-online “Brick and Mortar” business will be mostly killed off.

    As for the oligopoly structure of tech itself, that is a temporary state as empire-builders combine the new internet tech with the outdated corporate structures and ways of working of the pre-internet past. The real nature of the internet is to allow a sea of independent information workers to collaborate online and get paid directly by their customers, ie a much more fragmented market than you even saw a century ago. You see this happening in the news business now, where many writers have moved to platforms like Substack, where they self-publish to paying subscribers without being employed by any company (Steve recently blogged about how the author of the SlateStarCodex blog is moving there for a tidy sum).

    The tech business is a leading indicator for which models spread to the rest of the market eventually, so let me give you two further examples of such decentralization. The most widely deployed software on the planet is the linux kernel, which is used everywhere from Android smartphones to most servers in the cloud to practically every supercomputer. It is developed by a random collection of software people all over the internet, there is no company that owns or is behind it. It’s not a complete success though, as very few of those people make money off of it directly: most were eventually hired by companies who use linux in their products.

    A better example would be the software behind Bitcoin, which is also open source and developed by randos all over the internet. To make money, you just bought a bunch of Bitcoin a decade ago, when they sold for 20-30 cents a Bitcoin, spent years contributing to the software and making it better, and you’d be a millionaire today. Of course, that’s a risky proposition as you didn’t know back then they’d be so popular today, but that’s no different from stock options in any startup, except there’s no pointy-haired boss to tell you what to work on.

    Neither is exactly where we’re going yet, but you can see the direction we’re heading in from them: a bunch of individuals collaborating and producing online without the corporate structure and getting paid by the users of their work. No tech giant will be able to stand up to that decentralized mob once it builds up steam, just as corporate-produced Windows software has already been overrun by the online linux mob.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bumpkin

    "No tech giant will be able to stand up to that decentralized mob once it builds up steam, just as corporate-produced Windows software has already been overrun by the online linux mob."

    Well, that's how the WWW developed in 1990s. That looked like The Future then.

    Replies: @Bumpkin

  62. @Jack D
    @Altai

    Aside from the tragedy of wasting human talent ( the guy whose advancement you have place a stumbling block in front of may be the guy who would have cured the disease you are going to die from), it's not going to work anyway. You are just going to get a bunch more overentitled Blacks who think that they deserve a sinecure on account of their credential. Meanwhile the guys who were excluded will find a way to succeed anyway. Unless you beat them in the head with a 2x4 you are not going to stop them.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Travis, @Hippopotamusdrome

    At least their football team will get better.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @Prof. Woland

    As will their school security.

  63. anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    My parents, as "independent schools" educators/administrators built their careers on the progressive destruction of public schools. White Americans face plain discrimination in the public sector, so those with money either move or fork out cash for private education. Asians got a pass for a long time because they aren't white. I'm from Seattle, and I noticed early on that whites got bused, but Asians didn't, unless they wanted it. Asians (mainly orientals at the time) had their own public schools that were left alone. Whites did not.

    I lived fairly close to the local black projects. Blacks were bused across the city to white neighborhoods while whites were brought into the black areas. In the meanwhile, several majority oriental schools, which were adjacent to the black ghetto, went unmolested. The only orientals who got bused were the Vietnamese refugees who lived amongst the blacks, and they were grateful for it.

    Social engineering over the last half century has specifically targeted whites, males in particular, for demotion. Lots of people devote their careers to this end. There has not been a similar push to do this to Asians/orientals. If there had been, they wouldn't be doing so well, nor would they be immigrating here. A lot of baby boomers can't grasp this fact, because it didn't happen to them. One of my wealthy uncles is having a hard time because one of his sons committed suicide, and another has been reduced to penury by divorce. That isn't how America is supposed to work, right? But it is how America works today.

    My two oldest kids are going to school in Canada, in a Vancouver suburb. Needless to say, they have lots of Asian/oriental classmates. Due to Canada's practically racialist immigration policies, there are virtually no blacks there. There is no affirmative action to speak of. No busing. No intimidation by hulking black adolescents in the hallways. No worries about some black "child" knocking up your daughter or knocking out your son's teeth.

    Somehow, despite all the orientals, the white kids are doing OK. My daughter got a gold medal (real gold!) for being the best student in her high school class last year. Her best friend, a Dutch Canadian girl, got runner up. My oldest son is top of his music classes there (and I'm musically illiterate). The school is half Asian/oriental.

    You guys have to wake up. IQ matters, but so does social oppression and exclusion. The US is not a meritocracy, and hasn't been for a long time. In many places, it's a politically correct shithole like South Africa. This is a beautiful country, but it's in steep decline and there's a lot of blame to go around.

    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates. In downtown Coeur d'Alene they outnumbered Washington plates, and Washington is only 15 miles away from CDA. What's up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?

    Sorry to use such language, but the plague of older, entitled whites can't end soon enough.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Barnard, @Alden, @anon, @Prof. Woland, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Flip

    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates.

    Say goodbye to Idaho as you know it. Those retard Californians take their retarded voting habits with them wherever they go. They’ve ruined WA, OR, CO, AZ, NV, and now, ID.

    I don’t care if the Asians are getting screwed. Serves them right for voting (D). Let’s see how many times they need to get kicked in the teeth by progressives before they wake up. I’m not holding out much hope. The young ones, esp. the women, are already widely supporting AA.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
    @anon

    What about Montana, Utah, and New Mexico? Have Californians ruined those states yet? Or are they still relative utopias of minimal bureaucracy, low taxes, loosely regulated homeschooling, strong property rights, and permissive gun-ownership laws?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon

  64. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, and the good private schools will find a way to take in the cream of the crop and offer them free or assisted tuition. And SF public schools will be the loser.

    Replies: @TheBoom, @Prof. Woland

    Actually, what I think they will do it bolt for the suburbs. Housing prices in Contra Costa County have gone through the roof much the way I think they have in other parts of the Bay Area. Since it looks like this work from home thing is to stay, what is the point of having your car windows smashed 10 times a year just so you have a short commute? Besides, there are lots of wealthy white boys for their daughters to date.

  65. @Bumpkin

    How much room is there really going to be for meritocracy in post-2020 America? The pandemic has murdered a ton of small- and medium-sized businesses and further concentrated economic power into oligopolies. The tech industry, such as it is, seems to be content to coast forever off of ideas that are 10-15 years old.
     
    Your last sentence answers your question: some bright young guys will come up with new ideas and put the oligopolies out of business. I agree with most of Jack's answer to you, except that non-online "Brick and Mortar" business will be mostly killed off.

    As for the oligopoly structure of tech itself, that is a temporary state as empire-builders combine the new internet tech with the outdated corporate structures and ways of working of the pre-internet past. The real nature of the internet is to allow a sea of independent information workers to collaborate online and get paid directly by their customers, ie a much more fragmented market than you even saw a century ago. You see this happening in the news business now, where many writers have moved to platforms like Substack, where they self-publish to paying subscribers without being employed by any company (Steve recently blogged about how the author of the SlateStarCodex blog is moving there for a tidy sum).

    The tech business is a leading indicator for which models spread to the rest of the market eventually, so let me give you two further examples of such decentralization. The most widely deployed software on the planet is the linux kernel, which is used everywhere from Android smartphones to most servers in the cloud to practically every supercomputer. It is developed by a random collection of software people all over the internet, there is no company that owns or is behind it. It's not a complete success though, as very few of those people make money off of it directly: most were eventually hired by companies who use linux in their products.

    A better example would be the software behind Bitcoin, which is also open source and developed by randos all over the internet. To make money, you just bought a bunch of Bitcoin a decade ago, when they sold for 20-30 cents a Bitcoin, spent years contributing to the software and making it better, and you'd be a millionaire today. Of course, that's a risky proposition as you didn't know back then they'd be so popular today, but that's no different from stock options in any startup, except there's no pointy-haired boss to tell you what to work on.

    Neither is exactly where we're going yet, but you can see the direction we're heading in from them: a bunch of individuals collaborating and producing online without the corporate structure and getting paid by the users of their work. No tech giant will be able to stand up to that decentralized mob once it builds up steam, just as corporate-produced Windows software has already been overrun by the online linux mob.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    “No tech giant will be able to stand up to that decentralized mob once it builds up steam, just as corporate-produced Windows software has already been overrun by the online linux mob.”

    Well, that’s how the WWW developed in 1990s. That looked like The Future then.

    • Replies: @Bumpkin
    @Steve Sailer

    No, while the initial Mosaic browser sometimes came with some source code, almost nobody used it. The web only spread because the Mosaic guys then started a company which produced a closed-source browser, Netscape, which got so popular that Microsoft created their own competitor, Internet Explorer. It is not surprising that the web was not developed in a decentralized fashion but by corporates, as the internet was bog slow back then, as it actually used to take me minutes to download a web page over my 56k modem after the web was created.

    However, that's all changed now, with ubiquitous 4G making it possible for me to work easily with others online from any cafe in any town. As a result, I have my code running in open source software deployed on millions to billions of devices, despite never being employed by any of the companies associated with that software. We've finally reached the last step in the transition to the internet, the death of companies as an organizational concept itself. The examples I've given are merely the first indications of the coming tidal wave that will swamp the corporates.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  66. @Bill P
    My parents, as "independent schools" educators/administrators built their careers on the progressive destruction of public schools. White Americans face plain discrimination in the public sector, so those with money either move or fork out cash for private education. Asians got a pass for a long time because they aren't white. I'm from Seattle, and I noticed early on that whites got bused, but Asians didn't, unless they wanted it. Asians (mainly orientals at the time) had their own public schools that were left alone. Whites did not.

    I lived fairly close to the local black projects. Blacks were bused across the city to white neighborhoods while whites were brought into the black areas. In the meanwhile, several majority oriental schools, which were adjacent to the black ghetto, went unmolested. The only orientals who got bused were the Vietnamese refugees who lived amongst the blacks, and they were grateful for it.

    Social engineering over the last half century has specifically targeted whites, males in particular, for demotion. Lots of people devote their careers to this end. There has not been a similar push to do this to Asians/orientals. If there had been, they wouldn't be doing so well, nor would they be immigrating here. A lot of baby boomers can't grasp this fact, because it didn't happen to them. One of my wealthy uncles is having a hard time because one of his sons committed suicide, and another has been reduced to penury by divorce. That isn't how America is supposed to work, right? But it is how America works today.

    My two oldest kids are going to school in Canada, in a Vancouver suburb. Needless to say, they have lots of Asian/oriental classmates. Due to Canada's practically racialist immigration policies, there are virtually no blacks there. There is no affirmative action to speak of. No busing. No intimidation by hulking black adolescents in the hallways. No worries about some black "child" knocking up your daughter or knocking out your son's teeth.

    Somehow, despite all the orientals, the white kids are doing OK. My daughter got a gold medal (real gold!) for being the best student in her high school class last year. Her best friend, a Dutch Canadian girl, got runner up. My oldest son is top of his music classes there (and I'm musically illiterate). The school is half Asian/oriental.

    You guys have to wake up. IQ matters, but so does social oppression and exclusion. The US is not a meritocracy, and hasn't been for a long time. In many places, it's a politically correct shithole like South Africa. This is a beautiful country, but it's in steep decline and there's a lot of blame to go around.

    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates. In downtown Coeur d'Alene they outnumbered Washington plates, and Washington is only 15 miles away from CDA. What's up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?

    Sorry to use such language, but the plague of older, entitled whites can't end soon enough.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Barnard, @Alden, @anon, @Prof. Woland, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Flip

    What’s up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?

    True, but look at it this way, California has been on the front lines of immigration / demographic change even though most of us never asked for it. We have been a buffer for the rest of the country and now we are leaving like refugees with PTSD. It is time for someone else to go up to the front lines.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Prof. Woland

    My perspective is that these other states are stealing all the best Californians. Republican, conservative and gun-owning, likely Christian, all going off to start new lives in supposed freedom and prosperity. All that gets left in CA are immigrants and liberals (of all colors) to pay the taxes and live in squalor. Oh, and the homeless. Let's not forget the sacred homeless, with all their trash and grass fires.

  67. Sometimes I think the Deep State or whatever you want to call it will step in and tell their media minions to cut it out when they realize this race to the bottom destroying America’s best institutions will affect its ability to build fancy weapon systems vis-a-vis the Chinese…though I’m probably a bit naive on this

  68. @Jack D
    @Altai

    Aside from the tragedy of wasting human talent ( the guy whose advancement you have place a stumbling block in front of may be the guy who would have cured the disease you are going to die from), it's not going to work anyway. You are just going to get a bunch more overentitled Blacks who think that they deserve a sinecure on account of their credential. Meanwhile the guys who were excluded will find a way to succeed anyway. Unless you beat them in the head with a 2x4 you are not going to stop them.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Travis, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Going to a school which is now 12% Black instead of 2% Black will increase the risk that you are beat in the head with a 2 X 4. The risk of the girls being sexually assaulted also increased tenfold.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @Travis

    But the bathrooms will be ok,right? I mean,guys smoking pot in there,playing dice,having sex,consensual or otherwise, and beating the hell out of whites or Asians that go in there--that kind of thing won't be happening, will it?

    , @Jack D
    @Travis

    TBH, I don't think that is going to happen, at least not right away. Violent ghetto thugs are not interested in commuting to a distant magnet school where they give lots of homework. What you will get instead are academically inclined black kids who are well intentioned but who don't quite have the mental HP needed to keep up in class and this is going to force the teachers to slow down the pace for everyone. And of course any disparity in these kids' grades will be considered to be "racism" so the tests will need to be made easier in order not to flunk them all out.

    Replies: @Travis

  69. @prosa123
    @Jack D

    All or most of the consumer products shortages we've experienced have been the result of very high demand rather than manufacturing snags. That certainly was the case with toilet paper in the spring; the paper mills were in full operation but panic buying led to shortages. I suppose the current, less severe shortages of paper towels are manufacturer-driven, as many mills had converted their production lines to toilet paper. Shortages of food products like pasta and dried beans were also the result of panic buying.

    The ongoing, very severe shortage of guns and ammo is a classic case of panic buying, and if Biden wins it's likely to continue for a prolonged period. Home fitness equipment is also very hard to find, but that will get better now that most commercial gyms have reopened.

    As for Amazon, the one competitor the company fears is Walmart, what with its expanded online sales. Walmart cultivates an aw-shucks cornpone image, but its top managemet is very smart and very skilled.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Steve has pointed out that Walmart has kept its Bentonville, Arkansas headquarters and surroundings purposefully bereft of up-scale amenities to ensure that its purchasing agents wouldn’t be wined and dined and otherwise paid off by contractors.

  70. @Bill P
    My parents, as "independent schools" educators/administrators built their careers on the progressive destruction of public schools. White Americans face plain discrimination in the public sector, so those with money either move or fork out cash for private education. Asians got a pass for a long time because they aren't white. I'm from Seattle, and I noticed early on that whites got bused, but Asians didn't, unless they wanted it. Asians (mainly orientals at the time) had their own public schools that were left alone. Whites did not.

    I lived fairly close to the local black projects. Blacks were bused across the city to white neighborhoods while whites were brought into the black areas. In the meanwhile, several majority oriental schools, which were adjacent to the black ghetto, went unmolested. The only orientals who got bused were the Vietnamese refugees who lived amongst the blacks, and they were grateful for it.

    Social engineering over the last half century has specifically targeted whites, males in particular, for demotion. Lots of people devote their careers to this end. There has not been a similar push to do this to Asians/orientals. If there had been, they wouldn't be doing so well, nor would they be immigrating here. A lot of baby boomers can't grasp this fact, because it didn't happen to them. One of my wealthy uncles is having a hard time because one of his sons committed suicide, and another has been reduced to penury by divorce. That isn't how America is supposed to work, right? But it is how America works today.

    My two oldest kids are going to school in Canada, in a Vancouver suburb. Needless to say, they have lots of Asian/oriental classmates. Due to Canada's practically racialist immigration policies, there are virtually no blacks there. There is no affirmative action to speak of. No busing. No intimidation by hulking black adolescents in the hallways. No worries about some black "child" knocking up your daughter or knocking out your son's teeth.

    Somehow, despite all the orientals, the white kids are doing OK. My daughter got a gold medal (real gold!) for being the best student in her high school class last year. Her best friend, a Dutch Canadian girl, got runner up. My oldest son is top of his music classes there (and I'm musically illiterate). The school is half Asian/oriental.

    You guys have to wake up. IQ matters, but so does social oppression and exclusion. The US is not a meritocracy, and hasn't been for a long time. In many places, it's a politically correct shithole like South Africa. This is a beautiful country, but it's in steep decline and there's a lot of blame to go around.

    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates. In downtown Coeur d'Alene they outnumbered Washington plates, and Washington is only 15 miles away from CDA. What's up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?

    Sorry to use such language, but the plague of older, entitled whites can't end soon enough.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Barnard, @Alden, @anon, @Prof. Woland, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Flip

    Social engineering over the last half century has specifically targeted whites, males in particular, for demotion. Lots of people devote their careers to this end.

    Yes. 50 years and counting. And in every single one of those years, everyone acted as though it was happening for the first time ever. And to just a tiny little extent.

    You may think the water is warmer than it was before, but that’s just because you’re so used to it being pleasantly cool. We call that your privilege and we’ll keep saying this until the temp reaches 212° Fahrenheit. Restorative justice!

  71. @Steve Sailer
    @Bumpkin

    "No tech giant will be able to stand up to that decentralized mob once it builds up steam, just as corporate-produced Windows software has already been overrun by the online linux mob."

    Well, that's how the WWW developed in 1990s. That looked like The Future then.

    Replies: @Bumpkin

    No, while the initial Mosaic browser sometimes came with some source code, almost nobody used it. The web only spread because the Mosaic guys then started a company which produced a closed-source browser, Netscape, which got so popular that Microsoft created their own competitor, Internet Explorer. It is not surprising that the web was not developed in a decentralized fashion but by corporates, as the internet was bog slow back then, as it actually used to take me minutes to download a web page over my 56k modem after the web was created.

    However, that’s all changed now, with ubiquitous 4G making it possible for me to work easily with others online from any cafe in any town. As a result, I have my code running in open source software deployed on millions to billions of devices, despite never being employed by any of the companies associated with that software. We’ve finally reached the last step in the transition to the internet, the death of companies as an organizational concept itself. The examples I’ve given are merely the first indications of the coming tidal wave that will swamp the corporates.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Bumpkin

    Microsoft was relatively slow to catch on to the threat posed by Netscape. Mosaic debuted in 1993; Netscape released its first beta in 1994 and went public in ‘95. But it was not until 1996 that Microsoft released its first truly competitive browser (IE 3.0) amid reports that Bill Gates was in a full-fledged panic.

    Microsoft spent a huge bundle of money to launch MSN, a proprietary online service in the CompuServe/AOL/Prodigy vein, just as the Web in general (and Netscape in particular) were really starting to take off. MSN was bundled with the first release of Windows 95 and was supposed to take the world by storm. It didn’t.

    Gates’ subsequent decision to bundle IE with Windows - which lead to the antitrust suit - was a huge blow to Netscape, but what really killed the latter was the disastrous decision to rewrite the code from scratch.

    Replies: @Bumpkin

  72. My personal preference might be pure meritocracy.

    Meritocracy is killing us. We’re all worried about who is mixed up in the cream scraped off the top when America used to have a place for nearly everyone along the intellectual spectrum. But if you’re not in the cream, your place was outsourced a long time ago. Those White people below the cream level are offing themselves at record levels because we gave their places away to Chinks, Abus, and Wetbacks. They don’t even have a claim in the oppression sweepstakes because they are “privileged”. The “cream”, the meritocrats, will be the undoing of the White race, and therefore, civilization.

    My father was a blue collar worker every day of his too-short life. Thanks to him, my brother and I were able to achieve advanced degrees and live lives of relative ease. If he had had no place to earn a decent living and raise a family in America, with his 9th grade education and his unenlightened views , I don’t know where we’d be. But we don’t have a place for the likes of him anymore, just opioids.

    • Agree: Rob
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Charles St. Charles

    Very true. I just got a young relative into a trade union and I’m pretty sure I saved his life.

  73. Steve, this is the inevitable result of Civil Rights. It meant inevitably ethnic cleansing of Whites.

    • Agree: Alden
  74. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:

    “suburban DC’s Thomas Jefferson”
    Are you following the story here? It seems to be straight-up Harrison Bergeron.
    #1 High School in Nation (public and private) for SAT scores:
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/schools-highest-sat-scores_n_4654077
    F*** that! Let’s admit students by lottery!
    https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2020/10/parents-alumni-protest-after-admissions-process-changed-at-va-high-school/
    I’m not certain where “exactly” things stand now, and I do not actually think the SAT is the ultimate marker of educational excellence – far from it – but still!
    (Maybe the anti-communist Asians will bring it to the game here… or someone.)

  75. institutional changes that are likely to become permanent, with long-run deleterious effects on the functionality of American civilization

    Whites and Asians are nimble. When the elites tried busing White kids to Black schools, 0% of White kids assigned to the bus actually got on the bus.

    It doesn’t matter much if the state takes away programs that benefit Whites and Asians, because we can always get what we need in the private sector. Or we can gentrify some other resource in the public sector, e.g. convert Stony Brook U. from a commuter school to a scientific school.

    We’re resource-ful.

  76. Anonymous[687] • Disclaimer says:

    Whites siding with blacks on this issue, because, as you say, whites are being beaten hollow by Asians, would be a huge, huge mistake.

    Whatever you might say about Asians, they are playing the game fairly and strictly by the rules – and you can count on the fact that in the future, even when they hold all the power, they still will do. Note I’m talking about orientals here and most definitely not subcons.

    Blacks, on the other hand, are nothing but serial leeches, whiners, bad losers, bullies, cheats and liars.

  77. @Alden
    @Bill P

    2 boomer relatives who had their kids early 40s just don’t understand why their daughters and sons in laws, all 4 of them double math and computer programming majors around 30, haven’t found careers in their field. They’re White, that’s why. The father is supposed to be some kind of 150 IQ math genius. His father got a Nobel Prize physics nomination. But that was back in the 1950s.

    Math majors and the sons in law can’t even get public school math teacher jobs in anti White Seattle.

    You’re absolutely right that school bussing just sent White children into a vicious violent gulag run by black savages.

    Replies: @Kaz

    Maybe something is wrong with them that you’re not privy to?

    Programming, data science, consulting jobs all heavily seek candidates with programming/math knowledge.

    And they can’t manage to find something in Seattle, a city with a booming jobs market in said fields..?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Kaz

    The job market in Seattle isn’t really booming. Standard thing , hundreds of qualified applicants for every job. All the companies only hire Indians and Asians, preferably H1 Bs.

    That’s what happens to young Whites in Seattle. Despite that it’s majority White it’s a very no Whites need apply town. Why do you think so many young Whites have nothing to do but riot and join anti fa? ,

  78. Dear Mr Sailer,

    RE: San Francisco Public Schools

    You are not alone! We too are concerned! We too feel your pain!

    Yes, we feel pain when we think about all the acres of valuable prime real estate (location! location!) going to waste on a lot of PoC kids, when all that (drool!) land could be going to expanding our gated communities, luxury condos, or even wooded estates (think Napa Valley in the middle of the city!).

    Why are we providing $$ for sports, PE classes (etc) when the little yellow kids are perfectly happy to swot on-line 24/7 366 days of the year? Think of the money we save- er, sorry, think of the hours the tiger mothers save if their kids just stay at home grinding around-the-clock on the computer/piano/manicuring our nails!

    If we raze these schools to the ground, it, first, saves our BLM/Antifa friends from going to the trouble, and, second, it will free time up for Black kids to reach their life-goals as gang-bangers and realize their full potential as baby-mamas.

    Finally, by the little brown kids going to school, we deny wealthy San Franciscans all that wonderful child labor! (Just think, our pool boy could actually be a boy!). Honestly, why bother providing English classes, when we don’t condescend to speak to any of our small army of servants anyway?

    Yours, like you!, concerned about SF public education!,

    Nancy Feinstein
    Dianne Pelosi

  79. @Jack D
    @Altai

    Aside from the tragedy of wasting human talent ( the guy whose advancement you have place a stumbling block in front of may be the guy who would have cured the disease you are going to die from), it's not going to work anyway. You are just going to get a bunch more overentitled Blacks who think that they deserve a sinecure on account of their credential. Meanwhile the guys who were excluded will find a way to succeed anyway. Unless you beat them in the head with a 2x4 you are not going to stop them.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Travis, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Unless you beat them in the head with a 2×4 you are not going to stop them.

    SJWs:

  80. @Prof. Woland
    @Jack D

    At least their football team will get better.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

    As will their school security.

  81. I wonder if our AI machine masters will prefer pure-bred smart Asians or if their machine hearts will go for adorable mutts.

  82. @Travis
    @Jack D

    Going to a school which is now 12% Black instead of 2% Black will increase the risk that you are beat in the head with a 2 X 4. The risk of the girls being sexually assaulted also increased tenfold.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Jack D

    But the bathrooms will be ok,right? I mean,guys smoking pot in there,playing dice,having sex,consensual or otherwise, and beating the hell out of whites or Asians that go in there–that kind of thing won’t be happening, will it?

  83. @Mordantly Obese Man
    @Jack D

    If Nobels are still given out by merit 40 years hence, I doubt these Asian super-strivers will be winning them. Maybe they’ll be the grant managers who disburse the funds that the real innovators depend on.

    1.4 billion people with 3,200 years of history behind them, and what is China’s greatest contribution to the world? Cheap fried food and kicking plywood while wearing pajamas.

    Replies: @Jon Halpenny

    Some of the greatest inventions were developed by Chinese men.

    Gunpowder, Compass, Paper, Printing.

  84. Sailer wrote:

    Lowell is only 18% white, 61% Asian, 8% mixed (mostly Eurasian), 10% Hispanic, and 2% black.

    And since San Franscisco is 52.8% white and 5.6% black both races are just about equally represented in this merit-based high school. What does that tell you? Where did that 15 point gap go?

    Source: https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/sanfranciscocountycalifornia

    An interesting question is whether 2020 has seen whites splitting away from Asians on questions of meritocracy and coming to side with blacks because they feel it’s become hopeless trying to compete anymore with Asians on tests.

    Meritocracy isn’t giving whites the advantage any more. So now the rules are being changed, to the disadvantage of asians. Racial Quotas and Affirmative Action will no longer be fighting words, like Social Justice. This must be very humbling for white supremacists.

    This feeling of hopelessness is probably the main reason why so many whites are leaving California for states with fewer asians. They can’t compete with asians for jobs requiring college education, or with hispanics for blue collar jobs.

  85. @Jack D
    I assume rich whites in SF (to the extent that they have any children, which is not much) long ago abandoned the public schools for their kids. The real beneficiaries of a place like Lowell are poor but high IQ immigrants - in the old days these were Jews, nowadays Asians. They are the guys who will be winning the Nobel Prizes 20, 30, 40 years from now (if Nobels are still given out on merit). The good news is that the cream always rises to the top - all this wokism may slow them down but it's not going to stop them. If the school sucks, they will go to cram school after school or watch videos on the internet. If Harvard won't take them, they'll go to Carnegie Mellon. In the end they are gonna do their thing.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Thomas, @angmoh, @Alden, @Mordantly Obese Man, @Tyrade

    Or…Atlas Shrugged? See you in the Hidden Valley, fellow achiever? And the mooches wallow in their ‘victory’.

  86. @TomSchmidt
    "long-run deleterious effects on the dysfunctionality of American civilization"

    You mean functionality. We would welcome deleterious effects on dysfunction, I think.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Language Nazi whips out his Iron Blue Pencil of Doom.

    It is true that “functionality” is the correct usage, in this phrasing. But the key here is… In. This. Phrasing.

    Oftentimes, the best solution is not to correct, but to rewrite.

    “The dysfunctionality of American civilization” is a very strong phrase, and it strongly communicates the central idea that Steve is trying to convey. Changing the word “dysfunctionality” to correctly grammatically match the weak (because long, rarely-used, and slippery) word “deleterious” is proper grammar but poor writing.

    Better would be to rewrite the whole sentence, so that “dysfunctionallity” is preserved, and the weak “deleterious” is replaced with a strong supporting word like “destructive” or some variant of “wreckage”.

    You might say something like “the long-running destructive effects which cause so much of the dysfunctionality etc”.

    Someone taking a minute’s thought could probably get something more elegant, but, you get the idea. Rewriting is often better than correction.

    Language Nazi has spoken. This edict is not binding, nor is it final, but a wink is as good as a nod. And besides, my Walther is pointed directly at your testicles.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Agreed on the need to preserve dysfunction as the more important word. I'd accept all your changes.

    I often confess to being a recovering grammar Nazi, though I've never really been through a denazification process in that regard.

    My Walther sings so that "Kein Regel wollte da passen, und war doch kein Fehler drin"

  87. @Bumpkin
    @Steve Sailer

    No, while the initial Mosaic browser sometimes came with some source code, almost nobody used it. The web only spread because the Mosaic guys then started a company which produced a closed-source browser, Netscape, which got so popular that Microsoft created their own competitor, Internet Explorer. It is not surprising that the web was not developed in a decentralized fashion but by corporates, as the internet was bog slow back then, as it actually used to take me minutes to download a web page over my 56k modem after the web was created.

    However, that's all changed now, with ubiquitous 4G making it possible for me to work easily with others online from any cafe in any town. As a result, I have my code running in open source software deployed on millions to billions of devices, despite never being employed by any of the companies associated with that software. We've finally reached the last step in the transition to the internet, the death of companies as an organizational concept itself. The examples I've given are merely the first indications of the coming tidal wave that will swamp the corporates.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Microsoft was relatively slow to catch on to the threat posed by Netscape. Mosaic debuted in 1993; Netscape released its first beta in 1994 and went public in ‘95. But it was not until 1996 that Microsoft released its first truly competitive browser (IE 3.0) amid reports that Bill Gates was in a full-fledged panic.

    Microsoft spent a huge bundle of money to launch MSN, a proprietary online service in the CompuServe/AOL/Prodigy vein, just as the Web in general (and Netscape in particular) were really starting to take off. MSN was bundled with the first release of Windows 95 and was supposed to take the world by storm. It didn’t.

    Gates’ subsequent decision to bundle IE with Windows – which lead to the antitrust suit – was a huge blow to Netscape, but what really killed the latter was the disastrous decision to rewrite the code from scratch.

    • Replies: @Bumpkin
    @Stan Adams

    I'm not sure what the point of your history lesson is. Like you, I lived through those announcements as they were happening- I remember the first I heard of the web was a magazine article reporting that AOL and the other ISPs would soon add it and of course there were later feature articles on Microsoft's big plans for MSN to take on AOL- so I'm well aware of it. What bearing do your facts have on the web not being an early example of open source or decentralized development, which is what Steve and I were contesting?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  88. @Kaz
    @Alden

    Maybe something is wrong with them that you're not privy to?

    Programming, data science, consulting jobs all heavily seek candidates with programming/math knowledge.

    And they can't manage to find something in Seattle, a city with a booming jobs market in said fields..?

    Replies: @Alden

    The job market in Seattle isn’t really booming. Standard thing , hundreds of qualified applicants for every job. All the companies only hire Indians and Asians, preferably H1 Bs.

    That’s what happens to young Whites in Seattle. Despite that it’s majority White it’s a very no Whites need apply town. Why do you think so many young Whites have nothing to do but riot and join anti fa? ,

  89. This discussion brought to mind this Ross Douthat column from earlier in the year.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/opinion/sunday/white-fragility-meritocracy.html

  90. @anon
    @Bill P


    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates.
     
    Say goodbye to Idaho as you know it. Those retard Californians take their retarded voting habits with them wherever they go. They've ruined WA, OR, CO, AZ, NV, and now, ID.

    I don't care if the Asians are getting screwed. Serves them right for voting (D). Let's see how many times they need to get kicked in the teeth by progressives before they wake up. I'm not holding out much hope. The young ones, esp. the women, are already widely supporting AA.

    Replies: @Icy Blast

    What about Montana, Utah, and New Mexico? Have Californians ruined those states yet? Or are they still relative utopias of minimal bureaucracy, low taxes, loosely regulated homeschooling, strong property rights, and permissive gun-ownership laws?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Icy Blast

    Icy, Funny you should mention Montana because I just read comments in the Berkeley paper bemoaning the fact that Montana gets two US Senators, the same as California. See where this is going?

    , @anon
    @Icy Blast

    MT is gone too. They currently have a (D) and a (R) Senator. They are on the cusp of replacing a (R) with a (D) governor. Missoula, the college town that is home to University of Montana, is a hot bed of progressivism. Too many Californians and rich NY Jews buying ranches there.

    UT is not yet blue, but with Romney at the helm, and Mormons like Jeff Flake, they are not far off. The other UT Senator, Mike Lee (R), is the sponsor of an Indian immigration bill that will allot all employment green cards to Indian nationals only for the next ten years, and he has tried unsuccessfully to squeeze that bill through the Senate 4 times in the last 2 years, each time blocked by another senator incl. Dick Durban. He was recorded in a video encouraging Indian tech coolies to mount a vicious online campaign to attack whichever senator is blocking the bill, calling them "racist" etc. I personally know of Mormons who voted for Obama over Romney, and then Hillary over Trump, Mormons with BLM signs on their front lawn. Mormons have gone globalist in a big way. They are now actively recruiting Hispanics and Asians to their church, which let's be honest is just a business. They are like the naive, dumb Swedes of the US.

    NM has been blue for ages.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  91. @Inselaffen
    I don't live in the USA so I've no idea if it's a bit different there, but where I'm at in the UK (in one of the most left leaning, internationalist places in the country - Oxford) I very much doubt it has much to do with 'feeling hopeless trying to compete with Asians', indeed the University has a special link on its homepage written in Chinese (in the 'about' tab... oh, above the 'black history month' in giant letters which currently occupies the main picture section...), and the govt here is scheming to import as many Hong Kongers as they can because they see them as high-value human capital. So over here at least it doesn't seem much like 'Asian competition' is a fear (because 'white interests' is completely nonexistent as an idea, perhaps).

    On the other hand, the leftoid true believers who surround me couldn't donate fast enough to BLM, demand more black students, decry 'racist colonial' symbols of the past and an education system that doesn't mention slavery (really!?!) and downplays all our crimes, and also cry out to 'educate' themselves with reading lists of critical race theory stuff and radical black propaganda etc. They really, genuinely, believe in all that stuff. I suspect the liberasts in SanFran do, too.

    Replies: @Reginald

    I think you are correct. The difference in white and Asian test scores is not significant enough to warrant some concern, and that after decades and generations of psychological abuse and denigration that has worn “whites” down.

    It is absolutely stunning and appalling actually what the ruling class has done to us … the pure and unadulterated betrayal and treason against their own people, all simply so they could personally profit pennies on the million dollars.

    I will give the left and others one thing, I am really starting to question whether there may really be something either inherently flawed in “whites” to be allowing this all to happen and at this point likely things g so far gone that there is simply no way whatsoever to correct our fix it, with total demise and genocidal eradication of all European cultures and people being the consequence.

    Still feeling like we won WWII, or even just WWI for that matter? The more things unfold, it seems all the clearer that we didn’t win at all; but rather that we were sent off too die to defeat ourselves by the very same tribe of people agitating today and who have always hated Europeans.

    • Agree: Alden
  92. @Barnard
    @Bill P

    I had read that Coeur D'Alene was attracting a lot of retired California cops when Mark Furhman retired there after the O.J. trial. The rate of Californians retiring there has probably increased since then.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Seems like they might have a problem adjusting to the cold weather. Why not New Mexico or Texas? (I think Arizona is already a little overpopulated; same with Nevada.)

  93. @TheBoom
    @Buffalo Joe

    "the good private schools will find a way to take in the cream of the crop and offer them free or assisted tuition"

    No they won't. It is almost impossible for a white child to get assistance at a San Francisco private school. That is reserved for blacks and Hispanics. If they don't charge full tuition, they want to be able to point and say "see, we are diverse." I know of from which I speak.

    Steve has done a good job over the years highlighting how white working class and poor are the low hanging fruit of talent to be tapped into but schools have no interest in don't so. And it is getting worse with all the talk of white privilege

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    TheBoom, I will defer to your apparent personal knowledge of this because I am on the other coast. But around here there is money available at the prep schools and private schools for these children. Stay safe.

  94. @Icy Blast
    @anon

    What about Montana, Utah, and New Mexico? Have Californians ruined those states yet? Or are they still relative utopias of minimal bureaucracy, low taxes, loosely regulated homeschooling, strong property rights, and permissive gun-ownership laws?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon

    Icy, Funny you should mention Montana because I just read comments in the Berkeley paper bemoaning the fact that Montana gets two US Senators, the same as California. See where this is going?

  95. @Maistre
    You’re inverting cause and effect. It is the dysfunctionality of American (un)civilization that is manifesting in the methodical dumbing down of America.

    Blacks aren’t driving this. It’s corporations and corporate-corrupted institutions run by white people that are.

    Why?

    Because corporations want a society of brainless, docile lemmings.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Thats a tough sell in Northern California, just down the block from the greatest wealth creation and concentration in global history. These guys are fighting a reargaurd action and PR war. payoffs, token diversity hr hires, women and blax in tech conferences that type shit.

  96. @Charles St. Charles

    My personal preference might be pure meritocracy.
     
    Meritocracy is killing us. We’re all worried about who is mixed up in the cream scraped off the top when America used to have a place for nearly everyone along the intellectual spectrum. But if you’re not in the cream, your place was outsourced a long time ago. Those White people below the cream level are offing themselves at record levels because we gave their places away to Chinks, Abus, and Wetbacks. They don’t even have a claim in the oppression sweepstakes because they are “privileged”. The “cream”, the meritocrats, will be the undoing of the White race, and therefore, civilization.

    My father was a blue collar worker every day of his too-short life. Thanks to him, my brother and I were able to achieve advanced degrees and live lives of relative ease. If he had had no place to earn a decent living and raise a family in America, with his 9th grade education and his unenlightened views , I don’t know where we’d be. But we don’t have a place for the likes of him anymore, just opioids.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Very true. I just got a young relative into a trade union and I’m pretty sure I saved his life.

  97. @Rob
    It seems to me that standardized tests would be harder to grind for if they were more g-loaded, and less focused on specific knowledge, Analogies, backward digit span, Ravens progressive matrices...I am fairly sure that there are tests that are very difficult to study for.

    The big problem with the current SAT is that it is not an aptitude test, but an achievement test, so a few hours a day for eight or so years, and one can test very well. Does that really show ability? As a society, do we want children to spend their childhood’s filling in bubbles? Especially when most of that sort of training does not show far transfer. The grinds are not getting smarter in test prep.

    Given that Asians are willing to do extensive test prep, so that a kid with a 110 IQ tests at 125, maybe the best way to select students is taking everyone above a cutoff, and letting the dumbs transfer out when they realize their talent for being a member of their race does not impart scholastic ability. Am certainly including many whites among those dumbs, not just blacks, mestizos, and Indios.

    My personal preference might be pure meritocracy. But all races should be represented to some extent. I don’t mind some races being over or under-represented somewhat, but having Jews and Asians be five-fold over represented does not seem like a formula for a stable, healthy society. For one thing, America worked best when the elite were not of hugely different stock than everyone else. At the extreme, look at the American South. The planters were a different ethnicity than most of the non-elite whites, and a different race than the poor slaves, The Southern aristocracy did not arrange society in the best interests of most of the population. Likewise the heavily Jewish elite considers itself better than everyone who didn’t go to a selective university, and drove factories out of America to punish the flyover whites for not being intellectuals.

    I think being three-fold over or under-represented should be the limits for moderately selective schools that feed into the professional-managerial class and up. At the highest levels, maybe pure meritocracy has a place, but blacks and gentile whites deserve a seat at the table when decisions are made.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    White southerners were almost entirely homogenous ethnically, indeed outside the industrialized cities of the north, the entire United States was.

    Brothers literally fought brothers in some examples.

  98. @Marty
    I’m in my car on Sloat Blvd., about 300 yards from Lowell, right now. A young guy on one of those motorized unicycles just went by playing a country ballad. Weird. The drag races should commence any time. I’m sure I can count on the guy in the loud ‘64 Dodge 440 who doesn’t use headlights.

    To me, the great thing about Covid is that I don’t have to look at all the Orcs dropping their kids off at the elementary school next to Lowell. Massively obese, every one. Heft has to be a strategy among blacks - you get to intimidate and probably better survive a bullet. I know one Lowell grad who probably supports the change - Larry Baer. His organization is so woke, how could he resist?

    Replies: @a Newsreader

    motorized unicycles

    What?

  99. @Travis
    @Jack D

    Going to a school which is now 12% Black instead of 2% Black will increase the risk that you are beat in the head with a 2 X 4. The risk of the girls being sexually assaulted also increased tenfold.

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Jack D

    TBH, I don’t think that is going to happen, at least not right away. Violent ghetto thugs are not interested in commuting to a distant magnet school where they give lots of homework. What you will get instead are academically inclined black kids who are well intentioned but who don’t quite have the mental HP needed to keep up in class and this is going to force the teachers to slow down the pace for everyone. And of course any disparity in these kids’ grades will be considered to be “racism” so the tests will need to be made easier in order not to flunk them all out.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Jack D

    I taught at a magnet school. Even the smart Blacks are more prone to violence than the average non-black student. Becomes an issue when the Black population exceeds 10%. The school I am teaching at now was just 10% Black a few years ago, but now is 15% and the discipline problems have increased by about 100%. Superintendent is now afraid to discipline the students, causing increased discipline issues with the Black, White and even the Asian kids are acting up more now.

    Replies: @Jack D

  100. Buffalo has the highly regarded City Honors High School and the same “problem” which is not enough black students. One suggestion was to open another similar school for those who missed the cut. Problem is, those who missed the cut and scored the highest are just more Whites and Asians. So, that is why Buffalo has schools with the word “Excellence” in their name, even if the schools aren’t excellent or even performing close to standard.

  101. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @TomSchmidt

    Language Nazi whips out his Iron Blue Pencil of Doom.

    It is true that "functionality" is the correct usage, in this phrasing. But the key here is... In. This. Phrasing.

    Oftentimes, the best solution is not to correct, but to rewrite.

    "The dysfunctionality of American civilization" is a very strong phrase, and it strongly communicates the central idea that Steve is trying to convey. Changing the word "dysfunctionality" to correctly grammatically match the weak (because long, rarely-used, and slippery) word "deleterious" is proper grammar but poor writing.

    Better would be to rewrite the whole sentence, so that "dysfunctionallity" is preserved, and the weak "deleterious" is replaced with a strong supporting word like "destructive" or some variant of "wreckage".

    You might say something like "the long-running destructive effects which cause so much of the dysfunctionality etc".

    Someone taking a minute's thought could probably get something more elegant, but, you get the idea. Rewriting is often better than correction.

    Language Nazi has spoken. This edict is not binding, nor is it final, but a wink is as good as a nod. And besides, my Walther is pointed directly at your testicles.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    Agreed on the need to preserve dysfunction as the more important word. I’d accept all your changes.

    I often confess to being a recovering grammar Nazi, though I’ve never really been through a denazification process in that regard.

    My Walther sings so that “Kein Regel wollte da passen, und war doch kein Fehler drin”

  102. Back in the 70s, Lowell was known as “Chinese Girls School.”

  103. @Stan Adams
    @Bumpkin

    Microsoft was relatively slow to catch on to the threat posed by Netscape. Mosaic debuted in 1993; Netscape released its first beta in 1994 and went public in ‘95. But it was not until 1996 that Microsoft released its first truly competitive browser (IE 3.0) amid reports that Bill Gates was in a full-fledged panic.

    Microsoft spent a huge bundle of money to launch MSN, a proprietary online service in the CompuServe/AOL/Prodigy vein, just as the Web in general (and Netscape in particular) were really starting to take off. MSN was bundled with the first release of Windows 95 and was supposed to take the world by storm. It didn’t.

    Gates’ subsequent decision to bundle IE with Windows - which lead to the antitrust suit - was a huge blow to Netscape, but what really killed the latter was the disastrous decision to rewrite the code from scratch.

    Replies: @Bumpkin

    I’m not sure what the point of your history lesson is. Like you, I lived through those announcements as they were happening- I remember the first I heard of the web was a magazine article reporting that AOL and the other ISPs would soon add it and of course there were later feature articles on Microsoft’s big plans for MSN to take on AOL- so I’m well aware of it. What bearing do your facts have on the web not being an early example of open source or decentralized development, which is what Steve and I were contesting?

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Bumpkin

    What is the point of Internet commenting in general? Indeed, what is the point of making parenthetical observations about anything in life? Why do we delude ourselves into believing that anyone has any interest in anything that we have to say?

    These are intriguing questions, ultimately unanswerable.

  104. @Jack D
    @Travis

    TBH, I don't think that is going to happen, at least not right away. Violent ghetto thugs are not interested in commuting to a distant magnet school where they give lots of homework. What you will get instead are academically inclined black kids who are well intentioned but who don't quite have the mental HP needed to keep up in class and this is going to force the teachers to slow down the pace for everyone. And of course any disparity in these kids' grades will be considered to be "racism" so the tests will need to be made easier in order not to flunk them all out.

    Replies: @Travis

    I taught at a magnet school. Even the smart Blacks are more prone to violence than the average non-black student. Becomes an issue when the Black population exceeds 10%. The school I am teaching at now was just 10% Black a few years ago, but now is 15% and the discipline problems have increased by about 100%. Superintendent is now afraid to discipline the students, causing increased discipline issues with the Black, White and even the Asian kids are acting up more now.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Travis

    I agree that all blacks are more crime prone than whites and Asians, but did the problems in your magnet school extend to rapes and beatings with clubs or were they more like fistfights?

    At my son's exclusive private school, they brought in a certain # of black kids on scholarship from the Philly ghetto. Athletic ability was a plus. Hardly any of them made it to graduation. They tended to bring the ghetto with them and got expelled one by one. One was caught stealing from other kids' backpacks (my son lost an expensive calculator). One pulled a knife on someone while waiting at the train platform to take the train back to Philly. One was caught stealing from a teacher's purse (that one was kind of a jolly Fat Albert character so it surprised me). The saddest case was the one whose dad decide that he was going to commit suicide and take his whole family with him. Somehow the kid survived but with brain injuries.

    These kids had to live a kind of dual life - in school they had to wear a coat and tie (it was that kind of place) and act white but they had to take it off before they went home to the ghetto or else they would have been targeted walking from the bus stop to their home. It was really too much for most of them to deal with.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

  105. @Bill P
    My parents, as "independent schools" educators/administrators built their careers on the progressive destruction of public schools. White Americans face plain discrimination in the public sector, so those with money either move or fork out cash for private education. Asians got a pass for a long time because they aren't white. I'm from Seattle, and I noticed early on that whites got bused, but Asians didn't, unless they wanted it. Asians (mainly orientals at the time) had their own public schools that were left alone. Whites did not.

    I lived fairly close to the local black projects. Blacks were bused across the city to white neighborhoods while whites were brought into the black areas. In the meanwhile, several majority oriental schools, which were adjacent to the black ghetto, went unmolested. The only orientals who got bused were the Vietnamese refugees who lived amongst the blacks, and they were grateful for it.

    Social engineering over the last half century has specifically targeted whites, males in particular, for demotion. Lots of people devote their careers to this end. There has not been a similar push to do this to Asians/orientals. If there had been, they wouldn't be doing so well, nor would they be immigrating here. A lot of baby boomers can't grasp this fact, because it didn't happen to them. One of my wealthy uncles is having a hard time because one of his sons committed suicide, and another has been reduced to penury by divorce. That isn't how America is supposed to work, right? But it is how America works today.

    My two oldest kids are going to school in Canada, in a Vancouver suburb. Needless to say, they have lots of Asian/oriental classmates. Due to Canada's practically racialist immigration policies, there are virtually no blacks there. There is no affirmative action to speak of. No busing. No intimidation by hulking black adolescents in the hallways. No worries about some black "child" knocking up your daughter or knocking out your son's teeth.

    Somehow, despite all the orientals, the white kids are doing OK. My daughter got a gold medal (real gold!) for being the best student in her high school class last year. Her best friend, a Dutch Canadian girl, got runner up. My oldest son is top of his music classes there (and I'm musically illiterate). The school is half Asian/oriental.

    You guys have to wake up. IQ matters, but so does social oppression and exclusion. The US is not a meritocracy, and hasn't been for a long time. In many places, it's a politically correct shithole like South Africa. This is a beautiful country, but it's in steep decline and there's a lot of blame to go around.

    I was in Idaho last week, and I was shocked to see so many California plates. In downtown Coeur d'Alene they outnumbered Washington plates, and Washington is only 15 miles away from CDA. What's up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?

    Sorry to use such language, but the plague of older, entitled whites can't end soon enough.

    Replies: @Daniel Williams, @Barnard, @Alden, @anon, @Prof. Woland, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Flip

    White flight on a continental level. European Americans will rebuild their civilization in the hinterlands.

  106. anon[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Icy Blast
    @anon

    What about Montana, Utah, and New Mexico? Have Californians ruined those states yet? Or are they still relative utopias of minimal bureaucracy, low taxes, loosely regulated homeschooling, strong property rights, and permissive gun-ownership laws?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @anon

    MT is gone too. They currently have a (D) and a (R) Senator. They are on the cusp of replacing a (R) with a (D) governor. Missoula, the college town that is home to University of Montana, is a hot bed of progressivism. Too many Californians and rich NY Jews buying ranches there.

    UT is not yet blue, but with Romney at the helm, and Mormons like Jeff Flake, they are not far off. The other UT Senator, Mike Lee (R), is the sponsor of an Indian immigration bill that will allot all employment green cards to Indian nationals only for the next ten years, and he has tried unsuccessfully to squeeze that bill through the Senate 4 times in the last 2 years, each time blocked by another senator incl. Dick Durban. He was recorded in a video encouraging Indian tech coolies to mount a vicious online campaign to attack whichever senator is blocking the bill, calling them “racist” etc. I personally know of Mormons who voted for Obama over Romney, and then Hillary over Trump, Mormons with BLM signs on their front lawn. Mormons have gone globalist in a big way. They are now actively recruiting Hispanics and Asians to their church, which let’s be honest is just a business. They are like the naive, dumb Swedes of the US.

    NM has been blue for ages.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    The great plains doesn't much care for Trump's loudmouth, whiny, bragging, sexually immoral, low-class behavior. It was settled by Scandanavian and Germanic peoples who tend towards shyness, humility, self-reliance, and family values. The Mormon corridor, primarily settled by descendants of the Puritans, has convergently evolved to a similar set of values. In both these regions Trump lost during the primaries. When faced with the alternative of Clinton, people there knew what they had to do. But if given a choice between a moderate Democrat and a Republican, they can't be counted on to fold into the Republican camp.

    Neither Trump himself or the media is talking about immigration. That means most people, with short memories and little interest in politics, are not thinking about immigration. The main issues on peoples mind right now are:

    1. Trump's low-class behavior.
    2. The martyrdom of Saint George.

    In Mississippi, indulgence of rioting would set the state on fire. But in the Great Plains and the Mormon Corridor, there are few Blacks, so the first issue stands out more.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  107. @Prof. Woland
    @Bill P


    What’s up with that? Are the assholes from California with public sector pensions looking to ruin another state?
     
    True, but look at it this way, California has been on the front lines of immigration / demographic change even though most of us never asked for it. We have been a buffer for the rest of the country and now we are leaving like refugees with PTSD. It is time for someone else to go up to the front lines.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    My perspective is that these other states are stealing all the best Californians. Republican, conservative and gun-owning, likely Christian, all going off to start new lives in supposed freedom and prosperity. All that gets left in CA are immigrants and liberals (of all colors) to pay the taxes and live in squalor. Oh, and the homeless. Let’s not forget the sacred homeless, with all their trash and grass fires.

  108. anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:

    An article in the WSJ today saying Prop 16 to reinstate Affirmative Action in CA is “faltering”:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-campaign-to-revive-affirmative-action-is-struggling-11603364415?mod=hp_lead_pos12

    Among the most vocal opponents of affirmative action are recent Chinese immigrants. Though 70% of all Asian-Americans favor affirmative action in higher education, 56% of Chinese-Americans do, according to the 2020 Asian American Voter Survey. A group of Chinese-American activists helped to derail a 2014 effort to place a measure reinstating racial preferences on the California ballot and to defeat a similar initiative in Washington state in 2018.

    I had to reread to make sure that wasn’t a misprint — 70% of all Asians favor AA, and only 56% of Chinese Americans do! I suspect a large number of the brown Asians esp. Vietnamese, Hmongs, Cambodians, and South Asians – Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, and the newly woke yellows, i.e. Koreans and Japanese, are behind all the support.

    The article also gave the following interesting demographic data:

    (Demo: % of High School Seniors in CA vs. % enrolled at UCB)

    Blacks: 6% in CA vs. 3% at UCB
    Hispanics: 54% vs. 15% at UCB
    Asians: 13% vs. 43% at UCB
    Whites: 23% vs. 21% at UCB

    Of course, such disparities must be corrected.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @anonymous

    1996, Proposition 209, the Anti Affirmative Action law, all Asians, including Chinese voted against it, for affirmative action.

    There was a concerted effort to inform Asians that affirmative action was against the best and brightest, that it meant an unqualified black was given a job government contract or college placement instead of a well qualified Asian.

    But Asians including Chinese voted for affirmative action.

    Conservatives, Civic nationalists the conservatives who refuse to admit that everything our government has done since November 1963 is just anti White racism prelude to our extermination yammer that Asians are natural allies of Whites because they have low crime records own small businesses kids behave in school low divorce yackety yak.

    Well they are not natural allies of Whites. They are not anti White, like jews liberals and blacks but they are not pro White either.

    And in terms of affirmative action and racial preference they are pro the non White AA beneficiary races because they are AA beneficiaries.
    If you live in western Nebraska and just read conservative yackety yak and believe Asians are natural allies of Whites, it’s not your fault.

    Asians, including Chinese are above Whites in the affirmative action caste system. That’s all they care about.

    They are not our enemies at all, but they aren’t our allies.

    And not all Asians, even the Chinese are obsessed with Stanford Harvard etc.

    Historically, they’ve been entrepreneurs, trusting themselves rather than employers. This petty bourgeois White thing of go to school work hard get top grades, suck up, obey obey and when you graduate some nice employer will give you a good, stable well paid job is really a White western civ delusion.

    Come to NYC San Francisco or any city with a substantial Asian population you’ll see plenty of Asian including Chinese mail carriers supermarket workers, barbers computer copier repair humdrum office workers.

    I really don’t see the point of writing about test scores merit hiring and promotion. Affirmative action became the law 52 years ago. It’s set in stone. Nothing will change that other than a Russian Chinese style violent Marxist revolution

    Personally, I like Asians much better than blacks and White liberals who hate Whites. Been around them all my life, from Gold Rush descendants to FOB. But they’re not just IQ, test score, crime , income, marriage real estate ownership etc statistics They are affirmative action beneficiaries. Whites are affirmative action losers.

    Asians are not White or even conservative allies. I mean look at SF and NYC, huge Asian populations. But they vote straight democrat even when they see every day black on Asian crime, blacks behaving like blacks in the subway, druggie gay teen hookers, generational welfare blacks. But they are solid block vote democrat.

    One of the abolish Lowell admission test women on the school board is Chinese. London Breed black woman Mayor of SF is a radical lunatic. She was elected because her opponent, Jane Kim was even more radical.
    The Asians, mostly Chinese of San Francisco elected Soros district attorney Chesa Boudin instead of his law and order opponent

    San Francisco is the most radical city in America and also the most Chinese That should tell you something. NYC has fewer Chinese but elected DeBlasio twice.

    Asians vote straight democrat. If the democrats are normal the town they live in will stay normal like the Asian San Gabriel Valley suburbs of Los Angeles and Daly City bear SF and the Silicon Valley towns

    But given the choice between an insane liberal democrat Soros DA and a normal republican DA who knows the job is to prosecute criminals the Asians will always vote democrat.

    Replies: @anon

  109. The eastward “migration” of Californians goes all the way across the continent. My SE Kentucky hometown and surrounding region is seeing the influx. You are mistaken if you believe they are trying to escape anything; that is false. They are seeking to destroy any peoples or institutions – in this example, Appalachian Whites – who refuse to conform to the extermination of White people.

  110. In today’s clown world exceptional talent or drive or accomplishments is considered “privilege”, something to rail against. But the same people who tell us this know this because, well because they are exceptional and know more than us.

  111. @Travis
    @Jack D

    I taught at a magnet school. Even the smart Blacks are more prone to violence than the average non-black student. Becomes an issue when the Black population exceeds 10%. The school I am teaching at now was just 10% Black a few years ago, but now is 15% and the discipline problems have increased by about 100%. Superintendent is now afraid to discipline the students, causing increased discipline issues with the Black, White and even the Asian kids are acting up more now.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I agree that all blacks are more crime prone than whites and Asians, but did the problems in your magnet school extend to rapes and beatings with clubs or were they more like fistfights?

    At my son’s exclusive private school, they brought in a certain # of black kids on scholarship from the Philly ghetto. Athletic ability was a plus. Hardly any of them made it to graduation. They tended to bring the ghetto with them and got expelled one by one. One was caught stealing from other kids’ backpacks (my son lost an expensive calculator). One pulled a knife on someone while waiting at the train platform to take the train back to Philly. One was caught stealing from a teacher’s purse (that one was kind of a jolly Fat Albert character so it surprised me). The saddest case was the one whose dad decide that he was going to commit suicide and take his whole family with him. Somehow the kid survived but with brain injuries.

    These kids had to live a kind of dual life – in school they had to wear a coat and tie (it was that kind of place) and act white but they had to take it off before they went home to the ghetto or else they would have been targeted walking from the bus stop to their home. It was really too much for most of them to deal with.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Jack D

    I feel sorry for those black kids, most of them anyway.

    It could not have been easy for any of them.

    Replies: @bomag

  112. @HammerJack
    OT. The results are in: Giuliani is an idiot.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8864821/Giuliani-caught-Borats-daughter-hand-pants.html

    Forget the hand. What's he doing lying on the bed?

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy

    You’ll likely find out with Rudy’s future lawsuit. How this impacts the topic of SF school reset is beyond me. Guess it is due to being educated pre- Common Core.

  113. Does there come a point where the “everyone is equal” crowd gets laughed at? More importantly debunked once and for all?

  114. @Bumpkin
    @Stan Adams

    I'm not sure what the point of your history lesson is. Like you, I lived through those announcements as they were happening- I remember the first I heard of the web was a magazine article reporting that AOL and the other ISPs would soon add it and of course there were later feature articles on Microsoft's big plans for MSN to take on AOL- so I'm well aware of it. What bearing do your facts have on the web not being an early example of open source or decentralized development, which is what Steve and I were contesting?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    What is the point of Internet commenting in general? Indeed, what is the point of making parenthetical observations about anything in life? Why do we delude ourselves into believing that anyone has any interest in anything that we have to say?

    These are intriguing questions, ultimately unanswerable.

    • LOL: Bumpkin
  115. anon[383] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m of Asian descent. Even if Asians bare the brunt of meritocracy and only comprise 6% of the school instead of 60%, or 4% of elite colleges instead of 40%, I would still support meritocracy. It is the only system that is truly just, where everyone can succeed regardless of their skin color, as long as they have the aptitude and drive. This is esp. important in a multi-ethnic society. Whites who support AA are being short-sighted and it will hurt their children.

    As Charles Murray pointed out, our country will always be led by elites. Do we want our elites to be truly the most gifted who can discover cures for cancer and put people on the moon, or do we want these elites to be only good at playing the blame game and are in fact mediocre or dumb? Those who support AA will promote a group comprise of the latter who will run the country to the ground.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @anon

    "I would still support meritocracy."

    Well then the question becomes, what is your metric of "merit"?

    For Asians, merit seems to mean living like soulless joyless unfunny insects and working and beavering day and night to grasp some kind of material power, any power.

    We have already had a "merit" contest, where the defining condition of "merit" was: who is best at creating pleasant, healthy, humane, funny, advanced societies that everybody on earth would rather live in, instead of their own native toilet bowl?

    Whites won that "merit" contest by a country mile, as is readily observed.

    Go build your own Harvard, Oxford, Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, Irvine. After all, you're totally meritorious, remember?

    Replies: @anon, @Alexander Turok

  116. @Jack D
    @Travis

    I agree that all blacks are more crime prone than whites and Asians, but did the problems in your magnet school extend to rapes and beatings with clubs or were they more like fistfights?

    At my son's exclusive private school, they brought in a certain # of black kids on scholarship from the Philly ghetto. Athletic ability was a plus. Hardly any of them made it to graduation. They tended to bring the ghetto with them and got expelled one by one. One was caught stealing from other kids' backpacks (my son lost an expensive calculator). One pulled a knife on someone while waiting at the train platform to take the train back to Philly. One was caught stealing from a teacher's purse (that one was kind of a jolly Fat Albert character so it surprised me). The saddest case was the one whose dad decide that he was going to commit suicide and take his whole family with him. Somehow the kid survived but with brain injuries.

    These kids had to live a kind of dual life - in school they had to wear a coat and tie (it was that kind of place) and act white but they had to take it off before they went home to the ghetto or else they would have been targeted walking from the bus stop to their home. It was really too much for most of them to deal with.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    I feel sorry for those black kids, most of them anyway.

    It could not have been easy for any of them.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder


    I feel sorry for those black kids, most of them anyway.
     
    It would help if their social milieu could spool up similar feelings for the kids.
  117. @anon
    I'm of Asian descent. Even if Asians bare the brunt of meritocracy and only comprise 6% of the school instead of 60%, or 4% of elite colleges instead of 40%, I would still support meritocracy. It is the only system that is truly just, where everyone can succeed regardless of their skin color, as long as they have the aptitude and drive. This is esp. important in a multi-ethnic society. Whites who support AA are being short-sighted and it will hurt their children.

    As Charles Murray pointed out, our country will always be led by elites. Do we want our elites to be truly the most gifted who can discover cures for cancer and put people on the moon, or do we want these elites to be only good at playing the blame game and are in fact mediocre or dumb? Those who support AA will promote a group comprise of the latter who will run the country to the ground.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “I would still support meritocracy.”

    Well then the question becomes, what is your metric of “merit”?

    For Asians, merit seems to mean living like soulless joyless unfunny insects and working and beavering day and night to grasp some kind of material power, any power.

    We have already had a “merit” contest, where the defining condition of “merit” was: who is best at creating pleasant, healthy, humane, funny, advanced societies that everybody on earth would rather live in, instead of their own native toilet bowl?

    Whites won that “merit” contest by a country mile, as is readily observed.

    Go build your own Harvard, Oxford, Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, Irvine. After all, you’re totally meritorious, remember?

    • Replies: @anon
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Meritocracy to me means the person most qualified, in the context of education that means the highest academic merit, i.e. the highest GPA, test scores, most rigorous course load in high school. It has nothing to do with sports skills, musical talent (unless you want to major in music), legacy status debate skills, volunteering for the right causes, what have you.

    Your argument has some merit. Whites did build the most desirable societies and their descendants shouldn't have to fight all comers for what their ancestors built. As the population increases, competition invariably worsens. The answer is not to do away with meritocracy, but to restrict immigration. I am in favor of mandatory expulsion of all non-citizens, coupled with a forty year moratorium on all immigration. Those who have become citizens should be allowed to stay, consider it a price you pay for colonialism, slavery and globalization, which a lot of White wealth was built on.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Alexander Turok
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Not many Japanese want to immigrate to the U.S., and smarter Japanese youngsters want to go to Todai far more than Harvard. It would be an error to assume that the Chinese will always treat a Harvard degree with the reverence they currently do, particularly with all the woke crap emanating from there.


    Go build your own Harvard, Oxford, Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, Irvine. After all, you’re totally meritorious, remember?
     
    Stuyvesant and Bronx Science are already dominated by Asians, so the "go build your own" arguments apply more to the critics.
  118. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @Icy Blast

    MT is gone too. They currently have a (D) and a (R) Senator. They are on the cusp of replacing a (R) with a (D) governor. Missoula, the college town that is home to University of Montana, is a hot bed of progressivism. Too many Californians and rich NY Jews buying ranches there.

    UT is not yet blue, but with Romney at the helm, and Mormons like Jeff Flake, they are not far off. The other UT Senator, Mike Lee (R), is the sponsor of an Indian immigration bill that will allot all employment green cards to Indian nationals only for the next ten years, and he has tried unsuccessfully to squeeze that bill through the Senate 4 times in the last 2 years, each time blocked by another senator incl. Dick Durban. He was recorded in a video encouraging Indian tech coolies to mount a vicious online campaign to attack whichever senator is blocking the bill, calling them "racist" etc. I personally know of Mormons who voted for Obama over Romney, and then Hillary over Trump, Mormons with BLM signs on their front lawn. Mormons have gone globalist in a big way. They are now actively recruiting Hispanics and Asians to their church, which let's be honest is just a business. They are like the naive, dumb Swedes of the US.

    NM has been blue for ages.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The great plains doesn’t much care for Trump’s loudmouth, whiny, bragging, sexually immoral, low-class behavior. It was settled by Scandanavian and Germanic peoples who tend towards shyness, humility, self-reliance, and family values. The Mormon corridor, primarily settled by descendants of the Puritans, has convergently evolved to a similar set of values. In both these regions Trump lost during the primaries. When faced with the alternative of Clinton, people there knew what they had to do. But if given a choice between a moderate Democrat and a Republican, they can’t be counted on to fold into the Republican camp.

    Neither Trump himself or the media is talking about immigration. That means most people, with short memories and little interest in politics, are not thinking about immigration. The main issues on peoples mind right now are:

    1. Trump’s low-class behavior.
    2. The martyrdom of Saint George.

    In Mississippi, indulgence of rioting would set the state on fire. But in the Great Plains and the Mormon Corridor, there are few Blacks, so the first issue stands out more.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Ted Cruz did well against Trump in the Great Plains.

    The Great Plains have actually had a pretty prosperous 21st Century, due to tight energy and the general China Boom increasing demand for resources.

  119. @Anonymous
    @anon

    The great plains doesn't much care for Trump's loudmouth, whiny, bragging, sexually immoral, low-class behavior. It was settled by Scandanavian and Germanic peoples who tend towards shyness, humility, self-reliance, and family values. The Mormon corridor, primarily settled by descendants of the Puritans, has convergently evolved to a similar set of values. In both these regions Trump lost during the primaries. When faced with the alternative of Clinton, people there knew what they had to do. But if given a choice between a moderate Democrat and a Republican, they can't be counted on to fold into the Republican camp.

    Neither Trump himself or the media is talking about immigration. That means most people, with short memories and little interest in politics, are not thinking about immigration. The main issues on peoples mind right now are:

    1. Trump's low-class behavior.
    2. The martyrdom of Saint George.

    In Mississippi, indulgence of rioting would set the state on fire. But in the Great Plains and the Mormon Corridor, there are few Blacks, so the first issue stands out more.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Ted Cruz did well against Trump in the Great Plains.

    The Great Plains have actually had a pretty prosperous 21st Century, due to tight energy and the general China Boom increasing demand for resources.

  120. anon[773] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @anon

    "I would still support meritocracy."

    Well then the question becomes, what is your metric of "merit"?

    For Asians, merit seems to mean living like soulless joyless unfunny insects and working and beavering day and night to grasp some kind of material power, any power.

    We have already had a "merit" contest, where the defining condition of "merit" was: who is best at creating pleasant, healthy, humane, funny, advanced societies that everybody on earth would rather live in, instead of their own native toilet bowl?

    Whites won that "merit" contest by a country mile, as is readily observed.

    Go build your own Harvard, Oxford, Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, Irvine. After all, you're totally meritorious, remember?

    Replies: @anon, @Alexander Turok

    Meritocracy to me means the person most qualified, in the context of education that means the highest academic merit, i.e. the highest GPA, test scores, most rigorous course load in high school. It has nothing to do with sports skills, musical talent (unless you want to major in music), legacy status debate skills, volunteering for the right causes, what have you.

    Your argument has some merit. Whites did build the most desirable societies and their descendants shouldn’t have to fight all comers for what their ancestors built. As the population increases, competition invariably worsens. The answer is not to do away with meritocracy, but to restrict immigration. I am in favor of mandatory expulsion of all non-citizens, coupled with a forty year moratorium on all immigration. Those who have become citizens should be allowed to stay, consider it a price you pay for colonialism, slavery and globalization, which a lot of White wealth was built on.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    The man raises a good point, why don't Asians have any great institutions of learning like the West does (not that they are actually great, they are simply well-endowed, no pun intended, of course). The answer to me is obvious: because Asians are running on only about one hundred years of political continuity (far less than that on average if you take into account the whole of East and Southeast Asia). If Asians are not able to win WWIII it will continue like that forever, most likely. Things are coming to a head (with "next generation" technology people will no longer even be human). I don't think either of you are really seeing things for what they are, or were.

  121. Anonymous[368] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Meritocracy to me means the person most qualified, in the context of education that means the highest academic merit, i.e. the highest GPA, test scores, most rigorous course load in high school. It has nothing to do with sports skills, musical talent (unless you want to major in music), legacy status debate skills, volunteering for the right causes, what have you.

    Your argument has some merit. Whites did build the most desirable societies and their descendants shouldn't have to fight all comers for what their ancestors built. As the population increases, competition invariably worsens. The answer is not to do away with meritocracy, but to restrict immigration. I am in favor of mandatory expulsion of all non-citizens, coupled with a forty year moratorium on all immigration. Those who have become citizens should be allowed to stay, consider it a price you pay for colonialism, slavery and globalization, which a lot of White wealth was built on.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The man raises a good point, why don’t Asians have any great institutions of learning like the West does (not that they are actually great, they are simply well-endowed, no pun intended, of course). The answer to me is obvious: because Asians are running on only about one hundred years of political continuity (far less than that on average if you take into account the whole of East and Southeast Asia). If Asians are not able to win WWIII it will continue like that forever, most likely. Things are coming to a head (with “next generation” technology people will no longer even be human). I don’t think either of you are really seeing things for what they are, or were.

  122. @anonymous
    An article in the WSJ today saying Prop 16 to reinstate Affirmative Action in CA is "faltering":
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/california-campaign-to-revive-affirmative-action-is-struggling-11603364415?mod=hp_lead_pos12

    Among the most vocal opponents of affirmative action are recent Chinese immigrants. Though 70% of all Asian-Americans favor affirmative action in higher education, 56% of Chinese-Americans do, according to the 2020 Asian American Voter Survey. A group of Chinese-American activists helped to derail a 2014 effort to place a measure reinstating racial preferences on the California ballot and to defeat a similar initiative in Washington state in 2018.
     
    I had to reread to make sure that wasn't a misprint -- 70% of all Asians favor AA, and only 56% of Chinese Americans do! I suspect a large number of the brown Asians esp. Vietnamese, Hmongs, Cambodians, and South Asians - Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis, and the newly woke yellows, i.e. Koreans and Japanese, are behind all the support.

    The article also gave the following interesting demographic data:

    (Demo: % of High School Seniors in CA vs. % enrolled at UCB)

    Blacks: 6% in CA vs. 3% at UCB
    Hispanics: 54% vs. 15% at UCB
    Asians: 13% vs. 43% at UCB
    Whites: 23% vs. 21% at UCB

    Of course, such disparities must be corrected.

    Replies: @Alden

    1996, Proposition 209, the Anti Affirmative Action law, all Asians, including Chinese voted against it, for affirmative action.

    There was a concerted effort to inform Asians that affirmative action was against the best and brightest, that it meant an unqualified black was given a job government contract or college placement instead of a well qualified Asian.

    But Asians including Chinese voted for affirmative action.

    Conservatives, Civic nationalists the conservatives who refuse to admit that everything our government has done since November 1963 is just anti White racism prelude to our extermination yammer that Asians are natural allies of Whites because they have low crime records own small businesses kids behave in school low divorce yackety yak.

    Well they are not natural allies of Whites. They are not anti White, like jews liberals and blacks but they are not pro White either.

    And in terms of affirmative action and racial preference they are pro the non White AA beneficiary races because they are AA beneficiaries.
    If you live in western Nebraska and just read conservative yackety yak and believe Asians are natural allies of Whites, it’s not your fault.

    Asians, including Chinese are above Whites in the affirmative action caste system. That’s all they care about.

    They are not our enemies at all, but they aren’t our allies.

    And not all Asians, even the Chinese are obsessed with Stanford Harvard etc.

    Historically, they’ve been entrepreneurs, trusting themselves rather than employers. This petty bourgeois White thing of go to school work hard get top grades, suck up, obey obey and when you graduate some nice employer will give you a good, stable well paid job is really a White western civ delusion.

    Come to NYC San Francisco or any city with a substantial Asian population you’ll see plenty of Asian including Chinese mail carriers supermarket workers, barbers computer copier repair humdrum office workers.

    I really don’t see the point of writing about test scores merit hiring and promotion. Affirmative action became the law 52 years ago. It’s set in stone. Nothing will change that other than a Russian Chinese style violent Marxist revolution

    Personally, I like Asians much better than blacks and White liberals who hate Whites. Been around them all my life, from Gold Rush descendants to FOB. But they’re not just IQ, test score, crime , income, marriage real estate ownership etc statistics They are affirmative action beneficiaries. Whites are affirmative action losers.

    Asians are not White or even conservative allies. I mean look at SF and NYC, huge Asian populations. But they vote straight democrat even when they see every day black on Asian crime, blacks behaving like blacks in the subway, druggie gay teen hookers, generational welfare blacks. But they are solid block vote democrat.

    One of the abolish Lowell admission test women on the school board is Chinese. London Breed black woman Mayor of SF is a radical lunatic. She was elected because her opponent, Jane Kim was even more radical.
    The Asians, mostly Chinese of San Francisco elected Soros district attorney Chesa Boudin instead of his law and order opponent

    San Francisco is the most radical city in America and also the most Chinese That should tell you something. NYC has fewer Chinese but elected DeBlasio twice.

    Asians vote straight democrat. If the democrats are normal the town they live in will stay normal like the Asian San Gabriel Valley suburbs of Los Angeles and Daly City bear SF and the Silicon Valley towns

    But given the choice between an insane liberal democrat Soros DA and a normal republican DA who knows the job is to prosecute criminals the Asians will always vote democrat.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Alden

    One good thing about having lots of Asian kids in your kids' school is they tend to be much more straight-laced, academically oriented and much less into sex, drugs, alcohol, crime, disrespectful behavior or other disciplinary issues that black/Hispanic/white teenagers are into. Perhaps to no one's surprise, Raj Chetty found in his recent study (of school performance by zipcode) that schools with lots of Asian kids tend to perform well.

    American pop culture has been on a coarsening, downward trajectory since the 70's. Each decade seems worse than the last. I think white fragility is a misnomer. The more accurate term is white decadence. Whites have become too decadent. White teenagers, goaded by (((Hollywood))) pop culture, are too into narcissism, sex, drugs, alcohol, rap music, video games, LGBTQ sexual deviance, victim mentality, and are increasingly emulating black/Hispanic kids in their behavior; they are rebels without a cause and as such, are going off the deep end. White parents have become either too neglectful or indulgent. Some are too wrapped up in their miserable divorce/affairs, others are busy bringing in two incomes so they can afford the annual vacations to Disneyland, Hawaii, Europe, expensive clothes, tech toys and a car for every kid.

    Whites need to stop blaming others for their success or failure and start improving ourselves, save our teenagers and our civilization from the destructive culture of over indulgence. Hopefully this pandemic will give us the much needed great reset, with remote work encouraging many parents to move to smaller towns, away from the over congested, materialistic, hyper competitive coastal cities, live on one income, homeschool our kids, stop the brainwashing and the negative peer pressure of the public school environment, turn inward and start focusing on our spiritual rather than material well being, focus on our families, not just our children but also the extended family, rebuild those family ties, regain our soul.

  123. @Reg Cæsar

    Not surprisingly, Lowell is only 18% white, 61% Asian, 8% mixed (mostly Eurasian), 10% Hispanic, and 2% black.
     
    This being San Francisco, do they poop in the hallways? Do the Chinese grandmothers come in to collect the "night soil"?

    Replies: @Escher

    Now that the lottery is starting, we can soon start seeing this vibrancy in the hallways.

  124. @Anon
    Perhaps it's time to revisit the hilarious story of the $54 million disaster that is the Willie Brown Middle School. Silicon Valley startup guys mash up with the San Francisco school system and the whole enterprise goes south really fast.

    https://www.wired.com/story/willie-brown-middle-school-startup-mentality-failed/

    Replies: @Alden

    I read it. Willie Brown school is in the blackest part of the city. They haven’t worked since gr gr grandpa arrived from Texas and worked in the Hunter’s Point shipyards during WW2. Their savage spawn destroyed the Bayview Hunters Point schools by 1950 and the entire neighborhood. The kids have IQs in the low 80s to 70. Really. They behave like typical low ghetto black kids. It’s a dog eat dog neighborhood.

    The black bus drivers used to bring fire extinguishers and baseball bats because the black kids set fires and of course attacked people. They called the Silver AV route the Silver AV suicide route so many drivers were injured by kids, as well as adults.

    Plenty of Whites and Asians live there but it really hasn’t gentrified. It’s full of section 8 houses and apartments and of course the infamous projects

    The kids arrived with 1st and 2nd grade reading and math skills. They are vicious violent aggressive bullies.

    Tech hypocrites. Blather and blithering about educating Americans for the wonderful world of STEM jobs and hire only Asian and Indian FOB foreigners.

    As our grandparents said when they moved to the suburbs. White flight is White revenge.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Alden

    If you read the article, the author blathers about how the current principal has cleaned things up and now the kids are polite, the robot labs work, etc. but then he says that only 10% of the kids test at grade level in math (keep in mind that any Asian kid who is only at grade level would be forced to kneel by his parents until he tested better). These kids don't need robot labs, they need someone to teach them addition and subtraction (not that they are really teachable). Even if they are no longer violent (doubtful) they are still dumb and stupidity is an incurable condition. And despite all the positive things that are now supposedly happening, the author votes with his dollars and sends his kid to private school.

  125. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Jack D

    I feel sorry for those black kids, most of them anyway.

    It could not have been easy for any of them.

    Replies: @bomag

    I feel sorry for those black kids, most of them anyway.

    It would help if their social milieu could spool up similar feelings for the kids.

  126. @Thomas
    @Jack D


    I assume rich whites in SF (to the extent that they have any children, which is not much) long ago abandoned the public schools for their kids.
     
    Rich whites who have children generally aren't raising them in SF. They wind up in, e.g., Hillsborough, Palo Alto, Atherton, Belvedere, etc. Being "rich" in SF means being really rich, the kind of rich whose kids have never gone to public school.

    The real beneficiaries of a place like Lowell are poor but high IQ immigrants – in the old days these were Jews, nowadays Asians. They are the guys who will be winning the Nobel Prizes 20, 30, 40 years from now (if Nobels are still given out on merit). The good news is that the cream always rises to the top – all this wokism may slow them down but it’s not going to stop them.
     
    How much room is there really going to be for meritocracy in post-2020 America? The pandemic has murdered a ton of small- and medium-sized businesses and further concentrated economic power into oligopolies. The tech industry, such as it is, seems to be content to coast forever off of ideas that are 10-15 years old. #Woke capitalism will make for a good excuse to knock down any upstarts who don't hire enough black tranny lesbian Muslims or donate millions to the Kendiman.

    The U.S. in 2020 looks a lot to me like the Soviet Union was in maybe 1980. How much room was there for cream to rise in the USSR? Maybe the Asian grinds will have to look back to the countries their parents and grandparents came from for meritocracy.

    Replies: @Jack D, @bomag, @turtle

    How much room is there really going to be for meritocracy in post-2020 America?

    That’s kinda it. Colleges and business are heavily compromised by politics; some inertia for merit in the hard sciences, but we seem to get stories daily about wokeness seeping in.

    The Asian rise in elite institutions strikes me a bit like people rushing onto the beach as the tide goes out.

  127. @Anonymous
    @Altai

    The same meritocratic system that allows FOB Asians to rise up also allows whites without elite connections to rise up. That's where our salvation is gonna come from, not from the Romneys or the Kennedy's.


    A lot of begrudging conservatives always go on about immigrants ‘working’. Wrong, those are the ones you should fear, the poorer and uncompetitive immigrants are, the less influence they have to open the gates behind them.
     
    Yet I'd bet your revealed preference would be to live next to the richer and more competitive immigrants.

    Replies: @bomag

    The same meritocratic system that allows FOB Asians to rise up also allows whites without elite connections to rise up. That’s where our salvation is gonna come from, not from the Romneys or the Kennedy’s.

    Is this current meritocratic system delivering the goods? Maybe one reason Lowell high school et al are being changed is that the product has been found lacking.

  128. @Alden
    @Anon

    I read it. Willie Brown school is in the blackest part of the city. They haven’t worked since gr gr grandpa arrived from Texas and worked in the Hunter’s Point shipyards during WW2. Their savage spawn destroyed the Bayview Hunters Point schools by 1950 and the entire neighborhood. The kids have IQs in the low 80s to 70. Really. They behave like typical low ghetto black kids. It’s a dog eat dog neighborhood.

    The black bus drivers used to bring fire extinguishers and baseball bats because the black kids set fires and of course attacked people. They called the Silver AV route the Silver AV suicide route so many drivers were injured by kids, as well as adults.

    Plenty of Whites and Asians live there but it really hasn’t gentrified. It’s full of section 8 houses and apartments and of course the infamous projects

    The kids arrived with 1st and 2nd grade reading and math skills. They are vicious violent aggressive bullies.

    Tech hypocrites. Blather and blithering about educating Americans for the wonderful world of STEM jobs and hire only Asian and Indian FOB foreigners.

    As our grandparents said when they moved to the suburbs. White flight is White revenge.

    Replies: @Jack D

    If you read the article, the author blathers about how the current principal has cleaned things up and now the kids are polite, the robot labs work, etc. but then he says that only 10% of the kids test at grade level in math (keep in mind that any Asian kid who is only at grade level would be forced to kneel by his parents until he tested better). These kids don’t need robot labs, they need someone to teach them addition and subtraction (not that they are really teachable). Even if they are no longer violent (doubtful) they are still dumb and stupidity is an incurable condition. And despite all the positive things that are now supposedly happening, the author votes with his dollars and sends his kid to private school.

  129. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @anon

    "I would still support meritocracy."

    Well then the question becomes, what is your metric of "merit"?

    For Asians, merit seems to mean living like soulless joyless unfunny insects and working and beavering day and night to grasp some kind of material power, any power.

    We have already had a "merit" contest, where the defining condition of "merit" was: who is best at creating pleasant, healthy, humane, funny, advanced societies that everybody on earth would rather live in, instead of their own native toilet bowl?

    Whites won that "merit" contest by a country mile, as is readily observed.

    Go build your own Harvard, Oxford, Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, Irvine. After all, you're totally meritorious, remember?

    Replies: @anon, @Alexander Turok

    Not many Japanese want to immigrate to the U.S., and smarter Japanese youngsters want to go to Todai far more than Harvard. It would be an error to assume that the Chinese will always treat a Harvard degree with the reverence they currently do, particularly with all the woke crap emanating from there.

    Go build your own Harvard, Oxford, Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, Irvine. After all, you’re totally meritorious, remember?

    Stuyvesant and Bronx Science are already dominated by Asians, so the “go build your own” arguments apply more to the critics.

  130. anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden
    @anonymous

    1996, Proposition 209, the Anti Affirmative Action law, all Asians, including Chinese voted against it, for affirmative action.

    There was a concerted effort to inform Asians that affirmative action was against the best and brightest, that it meant an unqualified black was given a job government contract or college placement instead of a well qualified Asian.

    But Asians including Chinese voted for affirmative action.

    Conservatives, Civic nationalists the conservatives who refuse to admit that everything our government has done since November 1963 is just anti White racism prelude to our extermination yammer that Asians are natural allies of Whites because they have low crime records own small businesses kids behave in school low divorce yackety yak.

    Well they are not natural allies of Whites. They are not anti White, like jews liberals and blacks but they are not pro White either.

    And in terms of affirmative action and racial preference they are pro the non White AA beneficiary races because they are AA beneficiaries.
    If you live in western Nebraska and just read conservative yackety yak and believe Asians are natural allies of Whites, it’s not your fault.

    Asians, including Chinese are above Whites in the affirmative action caste system. That’s all they care about.

    They are not our enemies at all, but they aren’t our allies.

    And not all Asians, even the Chinese are obsessed with Stanford Harvard etc.

    Historically, they’ve been entrepreneurs, trusting themselves rather than employers. This petty bourgeois White thing of go to school work hard get top grades, suck up, obey obey and when you graduate some nice employer will give you a good, stable well paid job is really a White western civ delusion.

    Come to NYC San Francisco or any city with a substantial Asian population you’ll see plenty of Asian including Chinese mail carriers supermarket workers, barbers computer copier repair humdrum office workers.

    I really don’t see the point of writing about test scores merit hiring and promotion. Affirmative action became the law 52 years ago. It’s set in stone. Nothing will change that other than a Russian Chinese style violent Marxist revolution

    Personally, I like Asians much better than blacks and White liberals who hate Whites. Been around them all my life, from Gold Rush descendants to FOB. But they’re not just IQ, test score, crime , income, marriage real estate ownership etc statistics They are affirmative action beneficiaries. Whites are affirmative action losers.

    Asians are not White or even conservative allies. I mean look at SF and NYC, huge Asian populations. But they vote straight democrat even when they see every day black on Asian crime, blacks behaving like blacks in the subway, druggie gay teen hookers, generational welfare blacks. But they are solid block vote democrat.

    One of the abolish Lowell admission test women on the school board is Chinese. London Breed black woman Mayor of SF is a radical lunatic. She was elected because her opponent, Jane Kim was even more radical.
    The Asians, mostly Chinese of San Francisco elected Soros district attorney Chesa Boudin instead of his law and order opponent

    San Francisco is the most radical city in America and also the most Chinese That should tell you something. NYC has fewer Chinese but elected DeBlasio twice.

    Asians vote straight democrat. If the democrats are normal the town they live in will stay normal like the Asian San Gabriel Valley suburbs of Los Angeles and Daly City bear SF and the Silicon Valley towns

    But given the choice between an insane liberal democrat Soros DA and a normal republican DA who knows the job is to prosecute criminals the Asians will always vote democrat.

    Replies: @anon

    One good thing about having lots of Asian kids in your kids’ school is they tend to be much more straight-laced, academically oriented and much less into sex, drugs, alcohol, crime, disrespectful behavior or other disciplinary issues that black/Hispanic/white teenagers are into. Perhaps to no one’s surprise, Raj Chetty found in his recent study (of school performance by zipcode) that schools with lots of Asian kids tend to perform well.

    American pop culture has been on a coarsening, downward trajectory since the 70’s. Each decade seems worse than the last. I think white fragility is a misnomer. The more accurate term is white decadence. Whites have become too decadent. White teenagers, goaded by (((Hollywood))) pop culture, are too into narcissism, sex, drugs, alcohol, rap music, video games, LGBTQ sexual deviance, victim mentality, and are increasingly emulating black/Hispanic kids in their behavior; they are rebels without a cause and as such, are going off the deep end. White parents have become either too neglectful or indulgent. Some are too wrapped up in their miserable divorce/affairs, others are busy bringing in two incomes so they can afford the annual vacations to Disneyland, Hawaii, Europe, expensive clothes, tech toys and a car for every kid.

    Whites need to stop blaming others for their success or failure and start improving ourselves, save our teenagers and our civilization from the destructive culture of over indulgence. Hopefully this pandemic will give us the much needed great reset, with remote work encouraging many parents to move to smaller towns, away from the over congested, materialistic, hyper competitive coastal cities, live on one income, homeschool our kids, stop the brainwashing and the negative peer pressure of the public school environment, turn inward and start focusing on our spiritual rather than material well being, focus on our families, not just our children but also the extended family, rebuild those family ties, regain our soul.

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  131. @Thomas
    @Jack D


    I assume rich whites in SF (to the extent that they have any children, which is not much) long ago abandoned the public schools for their kids.
     
    Rich whites who have children generally aren't raising them in SF. They wind up in, e.g., Hillsborough, Palo Alto, Atherton, Belvedere, etc. Being "rich" in SF means being really rich, the kind of rich whose kids have never gone to public school.

    The real beneficiaries of a place like Lowell are poor but high IQ immigrants – in the old days these were Jews, nowadays Asians. They are the guys who will be winning the Nobel Prizes 20, 30, 40 years from now (if Nobels are still given out on merit). The good news is that the cream always rises to the top – all this wokism may slow them down but it’s not going to stop them.
     
    How much room is there really going to be for meritocracy in post-2020 America? The pandemic has murdered a ton of small- and medium-sized businesses and further concentrated economic power into oligopolies. The tech industry, such as it is, seems to be content to coast forever off of ideas that are 10-15 years old. #Woke capitalism will make for a good excuse to knock down any upstarts who don't hire enough black tranny lesbian Muslims or donate millions to the Kendiman.

    The U.S. in 2020 looks a lot to me like the Soviet Union was in maybe 1980. How much room was there for cream to rise in the USSR? Maybe the Asian grinds will have to look back to the countries their parents and grandparents came from for meritocracy.

    Replies: @Jack D, @bomag, @turtle

    The U.S. in 2020 looks a lot to me like the Soviet Union was in maybe 1980.

    Possibly with similar (political) life expectancy.

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