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Everybody except Tucker Carlson knows that demographic change through mass immigration is the one thing in the world that is NOT a social construct. The Emerging Democratic Majority is a purely natural phenomenon, like the swallows returning to Capistrano.

The reason Democratic politicians and journalists support mass immigration is not because they want to unethically win elections by importing ringers. Instead, it’s because, like immigration, they are Good. It’s the Republicans who are Bad.

Unfortunately, Republicans are too low IQ to understand sophisticated Democratic concepts like We’re Good, You’re Bad, so they make up outlandish conspiracy theories about how Democrats promote immigration policies that are in the Democrats’ electoral self-interest.

 
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  1. That’s indeed the case for the journalists and D politicians, but (sarcasm filter employed) I think you give the GOP pols too much credit. They have let this go way too far for way too long. Maybe it’s not low IQ but a lack of integrity to do what’s right. They have been loyal to their Big-Biz donors, and they want to fit in in the beltway cocktail party circuit.

    That fits in with what you say about “We’re Good”. Many go over to the “Good People” side out of cowardice and lack of integrity.

    What Tucker sometimes gets into is the REAL overarching reason the elites want mass immigration. It’s not just for the votes, though importing people from countries with no concept of freedom/rights/etc. certainly helps in this. They want to eliminate the White Middle Class, period. The White Middle Class has (had?) disposable income, extra time, and great organizational skills to compete against the rich in business ventures and in politics. They don’t like that!

    • Agree: Pop Warner, Alden
    • Disagree: Spud Boy
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “They want to eliminate the White Middle Class, period“

    Disinformation.

    Now, if we carefully look at American history, the first “great replacement” began in the 1840s and 1850s, when white native Protestants—the “true” Americans—were threatened by the massive importing of Irish and German papists. The second “great replacement” was the period from 1890 to 1920, when hordes of Roman Catholic Eastern and Southern Europeans inundated our shores. They were undesirables, as they would dilute the power and influence of the founding stock. If your ancestors arrived during those two periods, they contributed in part to America’s changing demographics. Do us all a favor—acknowledge their sins, and go back.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @ic1000, @BB753, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad

    , @Alden
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t think the GOP and the capitalist pigs really want to eliminate the White middle and upper middle class Whites. If they did, whose taxes would provide the food cards welfare section 8 and other government housing low income utilities and medical care for the below minimum wage immigrant illegal workers?

    If their women and children were starving unable to get medical care, had their babies at home because they couldn’t afford hospital births and a big part of their starvation wage was basic bus fare to get to work.

    Why all those immigrants might just start doing what the European immigrants did 130, 100 years ago. Start forming labor unions, electing pro worker politicians and agitating to close the borders and enforce the closing.

    So the GOP needs the taxes of the White middle and upper middle class to support their minimum and below minimum wage work force.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If it is actually true that the powers that be want unlimited immigration, the real reason is the inverted pyramid of an aging population living on social security.

    To achieve economic growth, you have to have more people, and then more houses have to be built, and the houses have to have stoves and refrigerators put in them, and carpet laid, and grass mown.

    The more people you have in the population, the more food is sold and eaten, and the more shoes and socks and TVs and cell phones are needed. It is that simple.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Richard B
    @Achmed E. Newman


    They have been loyal to their Big-Biz donors, and they want to fit in in the beltway cocktail party circuit.
     
    That is, untill they too are replaced.
  2. There are signs in Britain that the Moslems are all voting Labour (or more than “all” since nice Toni Blair changed the rules to make it easier to cheat on voting). There are signs that Hindus might therefore increasingly vote Conservative.

    All very vibrant.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @dearieme

    Your Hindus are very different from ours. Ours are more committed to the destruction of the white race than anyone--excepting jews of course.

    It's all about who might be in their way, or who might develop some kind of ethnic consciousness. The very thing that is sacred to themselves.

    , @Martin Davies
    @dearieme

    Not just muslims, the majority of Africans and Asians vote Labour.

    , @Alden
    @dearieme

    I thought the Muslims and blacks voted solid labor back 50, 60 years ago when they first arrived.

    , @anonymouseperson
    @dearieme

    The Labour party are all traitors. Why English people vote for them is inexplicable.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  3. Of course, the Stupid Party’s “we need cheap labor” helps them out.

    • Agree: Charon, Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Redneck farmer

    It would be fun to see just how far an insurrectionist within the GOP (now there's a concept) could stir things up by loudly, publicly, broadly and incessantly proclaiming that telling White Americans that "You need to be cheap labor" is not the way to win elections.

  4. Anon[217] • Disclaimer says:

    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man. Conspiracy implies a committee that meets and decides on plans with specific goals and purposes and then executes those plans through agents, with all parties more or less aware of what is going on.

    The Great Replacement is not that teleological. It’s more of a natural and organic massing of interests and personality preferences in a way that naturally leads in the direction of immigration.

    For instance, there is no Elders of Zion deciding to increase immigration. There are people who for genetic/cultural reasons favor immigration, for its outcomes or just because it’s a high status way to think and gets you into better parties. One’s opinion about immigration is a narrow, specific personality trait (and probably can be expressed in OCEAN terms).

    But if you take American Jews as a separate group, their mean point on the anti- vs. pro-immigration spectrum comes out more on the pro side than the anti, relative to other groups (including relative to recent immigrants and to blacks). Jews and non-Jews mostly overlap (Lewontin’s Fallacy), but the means are different, affecting the pro tail disproportionately (along with an anti tail that includes Jewish Stephen Miller). Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately, and are able to steer policy more towards immigration than a true democratic outcome would.

    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.

    On the Curtis Yarvin “monarchy/democracy/populism” scale, where “monarchy” equals FDR, “democracy” equals institutional oligarchy and “populism” equals republicanism/democracy, the United States is a democracy=oligarchy, where the oligarchy is disproportionately (not majority) Jewish, and thus the outcomes on immigration issues tends towards the pro side.

    So there is no conspiracy, but the makeup of society and our government just ends up with the result of the Great Replacement.

    • Agree: J.Ross, epebble
    • Disagree: neutral
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Anon

    Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately

    People in powerful prestigious jobs generally benefit quite a lot from immigration - cheaper domestic labor, more exciting restaurants to visit, exotic nannies to impress your friends, warm glow of moral superiority vs. the "xenophobes", newcomers who may need their patronage, etc. etc. - and have a hard time understanding why everyone else isn't as excited as they are.

    As much as a lot of people want to attribute elite immigration policy to pure malice, it is better understood as a natural strategy to maximize social status. And people will almost always rationalize the choice that makes them feel happier personally as the morally correct choice.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @neutral, @AnotherDad

    , @Nodwink
    @Anon


    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.
     
    The conspiracy is Capitalism. The Great Replacement is not racial, but economic.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Old Prude

    , @Peter Johnson
    @Anon

    Thanks for the thoughtful and informative comment. Spot on.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Anon


    there is no Elders of Zion deciding to increase immigration.
     
    Barbara Lerner Spectre seemed to think there was.

    I myself haven't made up my mind, but BLS seems more plugged in to the Inner Party than I am, so perhaps she knows better than I do.
    , @Coemgen
    @Anon


    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man.
     
    If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Unless, of course, it can be proven to be otherwise.

    The U.S. Department of State and "intelligence agencies" exist to create and unwind conspiracies.

    The existent of secure communications between media sources seems very conspiratorial:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList †
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecureDrop

    Interestingly, someone who thinks that there is a conspiracy to divide-and-conquer (the U.S.? the West? the world?) will branded as a tin-foil hat wearing yahoo by the same people who think that "Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. Presidential election" is a real conspiracy between Trump and Putin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
    , @Anon
    @Anon

    How then do you explain Israel's extreme restrictive immigration policy?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Anon

    "Conspiracy" connotes something done in secret. PMC leftists have a "two frequencies" approach to political and social discussion. Think of it like UHF and VHF. It's not done in secret so much as simultaneously discussed differently on the two frequencies.

    On the VHF frequency, which consists of institutions they control like the academy or unpopular cable news shows (i.e., A.M. Joy) they speak quite clearly about what their intentions are and what the policies should be and who should be harmed by the policies. These discussions aren't strictly "secret" or "confidential" - anyone with a basic cable subscription can hear them. But they're obscured from wide distribution by intention insofar as they're on a "frequency" with a lot of social and cultural barriers for most people. Here, you can openly celebrate whites becoming fewer in number and becoming less politically relevant as a good thing.

    On the UHF frequency, they talk about gauzy, euphemistic things like diversity being a strength and immigration stories from 100 years ago and how hard working Ecuadoran landscapers are. The UHF frequency is more broadly distributed (i.e., CBS Evening News), and they establish the vocabulary that Democrats seeking office will use to manufacture consent for the much more piquant plans made on the VHF frequency. Here, you will be un-personed for referencing what is currently being discussed on the VHF frequency - whites becoming fewer in number and less politically relevant isn't happening, and even if it is happening only a racist would notice such a thing.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @epebble
    @Anon

    There is no conspiracy, it is a simple consequence of Bipartisan legislation in 1965 to remove national quota on immigration - which means, the population of U.S. would, ever so slowly, resemble the population of the World, modulated by differential birth rates of existing U.S. population. Since most of the World population looks different from U.S. demographics, this diffusion has to change U.S. composition. We also have another secondary effect of all these people producing new kinds of people by blending together in successive generations to produce more multiracial/multiethnic melting pot.

    Add to it a definite bias among employers to get better value for their wages that sometimes comes from employing immigrants, no different than most Americans liking to buy a Japanese or Korean car or electronics, European fancy stuff like wine and chocolate and cheap stuff from China in Walmart or Amazon.

    There was a substantial kick to the process by St. Ronald in 1980's to amnesty many illegals that led to a sizeable additional migration of the families in the 1990s. Then there was a 1990 Bipartisan bill signed into law by G.H.W. Bush to increase immigration mostly to help employers find skilled workers for the much-feared Y2K.

    If there is one word for the "conspiracy" in our immigration law, it is inertia. Inability to change our laws to suit with changing times. However, many people think this is a feature and not a bug. What is gridlock for one party is often checks and balances for the other.

    , @Ben tillman
    @Anon

    It’s not about the mean. It’s about the group.

    Jewry is a highly organized group that operates to marshal its members resources to achieve group goals. The organized community is deeply committed to immigration as a group goal.

    Replies: @Anon

  5. Well-played, Sir!!

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @RobP


    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man. Conspiracy implies a committee that meets and decides on plans with specific goals and purposes and then executes those plans through agents, with all parties more or less aware of what is going on.
     
    Yeah, and that never happens.......cough (Bilderberg), cough (Atlantic Council), cough (World Economic Forum), cough (Sun Valley).

    Those rich and influential people only gather in Davos to compete in curling and practice their yodeling.
  6. Democrats promote immigration policies that are in the Democrats’ electoral self-interest.

    Except they don’t. Maybe they think that’s what they are doing but diluting the black population with Latinos and Asians is a self defeating strategy for the Left over the long term – those groups are naturally socially conservative and eventually come around to the same realization that in the end American politics is blacks vs. everyone else.

    Bringing in more blacks from Africa would make sense from the Democrats point of view, but they have not had resounding success so far. But watch this space.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Bringing in more blacks from Africa would make sense from the Democrats point of view, but they have not had resounding success so far.
     
    In any recent ten-year period you'd like to specify, more Africans have migrated to the USA of their own free will than were transported over during the entire 200+ years of the slave trade.

    That's how nasty and vicious this racist society is against blacks: they just can't get enough of it.

    More Africans Enter U.S. Than in Days of Slavery

    https://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/nyregion/more-africans-enter-us-than-in-days-of-slavery.html

    The flood has actually increased since that article was published. The NYT won't be running articles like that any more, though.

    , @Spud Boy
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "...but diluting the black population with Latinos and Asians is a self defeating strategy for the Left over the long term..."

    So, any day now we can expect California to flip back to the Republicans?

    In the long term, we're all dead.

    Replies: @guest007

    , @Arclight
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Agree with your 1st paragraph - it seems not unlikely that Latinos in the 21st century are like the Italians of the early 20th century. Asians are more collectivist in mindset and Dem politics might appeal to them but having to be in bed with blacks politically is probably more than a lot of them are willing to do.

    As for Africans, the source probably matters a lot. Losers like Somalis will happily exploit US social welfare and vote Democratic, but more enterprising groups like Ethiopians and Nigerians in my limited experience are very turned off by American black culture and behavior and don't consider them kin of any kind. That's not to say their kids might not be captured by our garbage culture but there is at least a fighting chance that some of them don't fall for it. I had a young lady as an intern last year whose parents were Nigerian immigrants and she was great - earnest, intelligent and hardworking, and frankly just sort of a nerd. She and her siblings had all been born and raised in the US (Texas) and are all headed for the upper middle class on merit.

    Obviously just anecdotal and probably progs in the State Department are working to ensure most African immigrants come from the biggest dumps they can find so they are immediately dependent on the government...

    , @guest007
    @Peter Akuleyev

    There is nothing social conservative about Latinos. Look up out of wedlock birth rates, divorce rates, school completion rates, etc. There is no issue that shows that latinos are the least bit conservative. Even the Latinos in the Republican Party are to the left of white Republicans.

    , @Alden
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Hispanics are naturally conservative? American Hispanics have very high rates of unmarried teen and younger teen pregnancies high rates of illegitimate kids high rates of couples living together for 20 30 years unmarried high rates of abortions very high rates of criminality and incarceration high rates of welfare.

    Despite the fact that they are either luke warm Roman Catholics or fervent Evangelical Protestants, you can’t call people conservatives when they have such high rates of abortion teen and young teen pregnancies illegitimate kids criminality and incarceration.

    What have you been doing, re reading 1980s National Review archives?

    California in 1960 was basically democrat cities and Republican suburban and rural counties. As the number of Hispanics increased so did the number of counties that turned Democrat.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Anon, @Zero Philosopher

    , @Deadite
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Don’t worry. There are a lot of blacks in Africa to help the demonrats correct their poor logic.

    The IQ of the planet will plummet and a new dark (no pun intended) ages will fall.

  7. @Anon
    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man. Conspiracy implies a committee that meets and decides on plans with specific goals and purposes and then executes those plans through agents, with all parties more or less aware of what is going on.

    The Great Replacement is not that teleological. It's more of a natural and organic massing of interests and personality preferences in a way that naturally leads in the direction of immigration.

    For instance, there is no Elders of Zion deciding to increase immigration. There are people who for genetic/cultural reasons favor immigration, for its outcomes or just because it's a high status way to think and gets you into better parties. One's opinion about immigration is a narrow, specific personality trait (and probably can be expressed in OCEAN terms).

    But if you take American Jews as a separate group, their mean point on the anti- vs. pro-immigration spectrum comes out more on the pro side than the anti, relative to other groups (including relative to recent immigrants and to blacks). Jews and non-Jews mostly overlap (Lewontin's Fallacy), but the means are different, affecting the pro tail disproportionately (along with an anti tail that includes Jewish Stephen Miller). Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately, and are able to steer policy more towards immigration than a true democratic outcome would.

    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.

    On the Curtis Yarvin "monarchy/democracy/populism" scale, where "monarchy" equals FDR, "democracy" equals institutional oligarchy and "populism" equals republicanism/democracy, the United States is a democracy=oligarchy, where the oligarchy is disproportionately (not majority) Jewish, and thus the outcomes on immigration issues tends towards the pro side.

    So there is no conspiracy, but the makeup of society and our government just ends up with the result of the Great Replacement.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Nodwink, @Peter Johnson, @Almost Missouri, @Coemgen, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @epebble, @Ben tillman

    Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately

    People in powerful prestigious jobs generally benefit quite a lot from immigration – cheaper domestic labor, more exciting restaurants to visit, exotic nannies to impress your friends, warm glow of moral superiority vs. the “xenophobes”, newcomers who may need their patronage, etc. etc. – and have a hard time understanding why everyone else isn’t as excited as they are.

    As much as a lot of people want to attribute elite immigration policy to pure malice, it is better understood as a natural strategy to maximize social status. And people will almost always rationalize the choice that makes them feel happier personally as the morally correct choice.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
    @Peter Akuleyev


    As much as a lot of people want to attribute elite immigration policy to pure malice, it is better understood as a natural strategy to maximize social status.
     
    Social status, economic status, ethnic supremacy, what have you.

    You just might be surprised at how often malice and self-interest go hand in hand.

    , @neutral
    @Peter Akuleyev


    As much as a lot of people want to attribute elite immigration policy to pure malice, it is better understood as a natural strategy to maximize social status.
     
    I don't see these two things as separate, to show malice to anything white is the highest form of virtue signaling.
    , @AnotherDad
    @Peter Akuleyev


    People in powerful prestigious jobs generally benefit quite a lot from immigration – cheaper domestic labor, more exciting restaurants to visit, exotic nannies to impress your friends, warm glow of moral superiority vs. the “xenophobes”, newcomers who may need their patronage, etc. etc. – and have a hard time understanding why everyone else isn’t as excited as they are.
     
    Peter, there really is not anything economically substantive to any of this. Unless you are actually cheap laboring a business, all this gardener, nanny, restaurants stuff is far, far outweighed by pretty direct costs is housing, schooling, crowding, social dislocation, taxation.

    But my main disagreement is not even that, it is the bolded bit.

    The elite ideology in which there is "moral superiority" from immigrationism is basically because of the rise Jews--the Judification of American elite ideology.

    There is an "educated person" moral superiority to be had in overcoming a very parochial xenophobia. You understand that foreigners are not necessarily evil, they are just different. They have a different look, a different culture, a different way of doing things--but some of them are fine people. However, that more nuanced educated view is not remotely the same thing is saying that your interests may not be in conflict, much less that their interests are the same, much, much, much less that they should be allowed to stream into your people's nation. In fact, the immigrationist "everyone's the same", rainbows+happy trees view is far from "educated" or "nuanced" it is intellectually vapid and silly.

    Immigration can/does tap a "Christian charity" element. (Count me as someone deeply annoyed with these Christians and their adopted African babies. Jesus people, Jesus can wait!)

    But immigrationism also pushes against a very basic "protection" impulse, that is essentially supposed to be the core duty of elites. Hence immigrationism violates the core of elite "noblesse oblige"--taking care of the common people in your charge--from which elite "moral superiority" is supposed to stem.

    Again, as I have pointed out several times before the progressivism of early-mid 20th century WASP progressives was "Everyone should behave better--behave like us!". The WASP elite loved the America nation, thought they deserved to be in charge because they were the best of their fellow Americans, and that they should uplift other Americans to be more like them. The Jewish elite think they should be in charge of the American state/marketplace because they are smarter than all those goyishe kopf flyover Americans whom they think are undeserving of America and should be replaced. Very different vibe. Very different concepts of "moral superiority".

    Immigration indeed has a few different drivers. But it's ridiculous to claim that immigrationism--as an ideology, much less a core elite ideology implying "moral superiority"--has not been driven by Jewish influence, power and propaganda.
  8. @Anon
    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man. Conspiracy implies a committee that meets and decides on plans with specific goals and purposes and then executes those plans through agents, with all parties more or less aware of what is going on.

    The Great Replacement is not that teleological. It's more of a natural and organic massing of interests and personality preferences in a way that naturally leads in the direction of immigration.

    For instance, there is no Elders of Zion deciding to increase immigration. There are people who for genetic/cultural reasons favor immigration, for its outcomes or just because it's a high status way to think and gets you into better parties. One's opinion about immigration is a narrow, specific personality trait (and probably can be expressed in OCEAN terms).

    But if you take American Jews as a separate group, their mean point on the anti- vs. pro-immigration spectrum comes out more on the pro side than the anti, relative to other groups (including relative to recent immigrants and to blacks). Jews and non-Jews mostly overlap (Lewontin's Fallacy), but the means are different, affecting the pro tail disproportionately (along with an anti tail that includes Jewish Stephen Miller). Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately, and are able to steer policy more towards immigration than a true democratic outcome would.

    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.

    On the Curtis Yarvin "monarchy/democracy/populism" scale, where "monarchy" equals FDR, "democracy" equals institutional oligarchy and "populism" equals republicanism/democracy, the United States is a democracy=oligarchy, where the oligarchy is disproportionately (not majority) Jewish, and thus the outcomes on immigration issues tends towards the pro side.

    So there is no conspiracy, but the makeup of society and our government just ends up with the result of the Great Replacement.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Nodwink, @Peter Johnson, @Almost Missouri, @Coemgen, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @epebble, @Ben tillman

    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.

    The conspiracy is Capitalism. The Great Replacement is not racial, but economic.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Disagree: Hangnail Hans, Ben tillman
    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    @Nodwink

    As if any of these low IQ, uneducated immigrants could code...or even know what that means...

    , @Old Prude
    @Nodwink

    The owners of capital love immigration: More demand. More demand for housing, for phones, for cars, for food. More, more, more. Every Fortune 500 MBA knows the only path up the greasy ladder is to increase sales. More, more, more.

    Americans, real Americans, not paper Americans, don't want More. They have enough. And they aren't having children. That doesn't help the MBA, the business owners and the corporations, so they crowd in more people to increase demand and consumption.

    That More destroys the livability of the nation for the middle class? Sucks to be you.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  9. @Anon
    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man. Conspiracy implies a committee that meets and decides on plans with specific goals and purposes and then executes those plans through agents, with all parties more or less aware of what is going on.

    The Great Replacement is not that teleological. It's more of a natural and organic massing of interests and personality preferences in a way that naturally leads in the direction of immigration.

    For instance, there is no Elders of Zion deciding to increase immigration. There are people who for genetic/cultural reasons favor immigration, for its outcomes or just because it's a high status way to think and gets you into better parties. One's opinion about immigration is a narrow, specific personality trait (and probably can be expressed in OCEAN terms).

    But if you take American Jews as a separate group, their mean point on the anti- vs. pro-immigration spectrum comes out more on the pro side than the anti, relative to other groups (including relative to recent immigrants and to blacks). Jews and non-Jews mostly overlap (Lewontin's Fallacy), but the means are different, affecting the pro tail disproportionately (along with an anti tail that includes Jewish Stephen Miller). Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately, and are able to steer policy more towards immigration than a true democratic outcome would.

    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.

    On the Curtis Yarvin "monarchy/democracy/populism" scale, where "monarchy" equals FDR, "democracy" equals institutional oligarchy and "populism" equals republicanism/democracy, the United States is a democracy=oligarchy, where the oligarchy is disproportionately (not majority) Jewish, and thus the outcomes on immigration issues tends towards the pro side.

    So there is no conspiracy, but the makeup of society and our government just ends up with the result of the Great Replacement.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Nodwink, @Peter Johnson, @Almost Missouri, @Coemgen, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @epebble, @Ben tillman

    Thanks for the thoughtful and informative comment. Spot on.

  10. @dearieme
    There are signs in Britain that the Moslems are all voting Labour (or more than "all" since nice Toni Blair changed the rules to make it easier to cheat on voting). There are signs that Hindus might therefore increasingly vote Conservative.

    All very vibrant.

    Replies: @Charon, @Martin Davies, @Alden, @anonymouseperson

    Your Hindus are very different from ours. Ours are more committed to the destruction of the white race than anyone–excepting jews of course.

    It’s all about who might be in their way, or who might develop some kind of ethnic consciousness. The very thing that is sacred to themselves.

  11. @Peter Akuleyev
    Democrats promote immigration policies that are in the Democrats’ electoral self-interest.

    Except they don't. Maybe they think that's what they are doing but diluting the black population with Latinos and Asians is a self defeating strategy for the Left over the long term - those groups are naturally socially conservative and eventually come around to the same realization that in the end American politics is blacks vs. everyone else.

    Bringing in more blacks from Africa would make sense from the Democrats point of view, but they have not had resounding success so far. But watch this space.

    Replies: @Charon, @Spud Boy, @Arclight, @guest007, @Alden, @Deadite

    Bringing in more blacks from Africa would make sense from the Democrats point of view, but they have not had resounding success so far.

    In any recent ten-year period you’d like to specify, more Africans have migrated to the USA of their own free will than were transported over during the entire 200+ years of the slave trade.

    That’s how nasty and vicious this racist society is against blacks: they just can’t get enough of it.

    More Africans Enter U.S. Than in Days of Slavery

    https://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/21/nyregion/more-africans-enter-us-than-in-days-of-slavery.html

    The flood has actually increased since that article was published. The NYT won’t be running articles like that any more, though.

    • Thanks: AceDeuce
  12. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Anon

    Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately

    People in powerful prestigious jobs generally benefit quite a lot from immigration - cheaper domestic labor, more exciting restaurants to visit, exotic nannies to impress your friends, warm glow of moral superiority vs. the "xenophobes", newcomers who may need their patronage, etc. etc. - and have a hard time understanding why everyone else isn't as excited as they are.

    As much as a lot of people want to attribute elite immigration policy to pure malice, it is better understood as a natural strategy to maximize social status. And people will almost always rationalize the choice that makes them feel happier personally as the morally correct choice.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @neutral, @AnotherDad

    As much as a lot of people want to attribute elite immigration policy to pure malice, it is better understood as a natural strategy to maximize social status.

    Social status, economic status, ethnic supremacy, what have you.

    You just might be surprised at how often malice and self-interest go hand in hand.

  13. Reminder that researchers found that Americans who are not panicking about open borders are only not panicking because their idea of the numbers of people flowing in are wrong, that these Americans change their opinion to “close the border” when they are radicalized by Russian disinformation such as updated US government statistics, and that the conclusion of these researchers was that Americans need to be lied to.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  14. White liberal Democrats don’t really believe these poor nonwhite immigrants will vote for them. I think there are deeper psychological reasons why Democrats support mass immigration of poor third world people rather than using some sort of selection criteria in picking which individuals get in and which don’t. James Burnham wrote a book a half century ago called Suicide of the West where he said liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide. This explains why white liberal politicians support letting nonwhite immigrants in who will throw them out of power and replace them with members of their ethnic group.

    The fact that so many people in the U.S. have this suicide wish is a form of civilizational collapse. This isn’t just on the left. Some of the Alt-Right Neo-Nazi types here are just a variation of this. They replace collectivism based on class with collectivism based on race. All forms of collectivism lead in a totalitarian direction. Hitler is not really better than Stalin. Both forms of collectivism rise in times of civilizational decay and collapse. Nineteen thirties Germany had both lots of Nazis and lots of Communists. What it didn’t have were lots of believers in freedom and individual rights, which was the predominant belief here in America before we started our decline.

    • Thanks: ic1000, Kylie
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Mark G.

    I agree with your comment. Mark, but I'd like to add a little bit to that last part from my reading of the early years of the 3rd Reich. Germany didn't have, and in fact, no country in the world had, a government that (at the time) was more limited in powers with citizens who understood freedom and individual rights, as America. However, Germany was still a civilized place with rule of law.

    The Nazi Party gained lots of supporters due to their efforts to fight the Communists. (Germany could have easily gone the way of Russia a decade earlier.) The problem was, due to the unrelenting violent nature of the Commies, and some of the same Anarcho-Tyranny we see with the antifa here, the Nazis found that the only way to defeat them was to get full-on violent themselves. The violence and then absolute authority stuck with them.

    We can only hope it doesn't go that way here. Americans have been pretty damn tolerant so far.

    , @Anon
    @Mark G.

    Libertarianism has such binary thinking.

    You know who else believed in collectivism? The Founders. That’s why the Constitution has the phrase “promote the common good” and as Steve likes to note, “ourselves and our posterity.”

    They also limited immigration to “free whites,” which I guess makes them “ Alt-Right Neo-Nazi types.

    Replies: @Mark G.

  15. @Anon
    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man. Conspiracy implies a committee that meets and decides on plans with specific goals and purposes and then executes those plans through agents, with all parties more or less aware of what is going on.

    The Great Replacement is not that teleological. It's more of a natural and organic massing of interests and personality preferences in a way that naturally leads in the direction of immigration.

    For instance, there is no Elders of Zion deciding to increase immigration. There are people who for genetic/cultural reasons favor immigration, for its outcomes or just because it's a high status way to think and gets you into better parties. One's opinion about immigration is a narrow, specific personality trait (and probably can be expressed in OCEAN terms).

    But if you take American Jews as a separate group, their mean point on the anti- vs. pro-immigration spectrum comes out more on the pro side than the anti, relative to other groups (including relative to recent immigrants and to blacks). Jews and non-Jews mostly overlap (Lewontin's Fallacy), but the means are different, affecting the pro tail disproportionately (along with an anti tail that includes Jewish Stephen Miller). Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately, and are able to steer policy more towards immigration than a true democratic outcome would.

    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.

    On the Curtis Yarvin "monarchy/democracy/populism" scale, where "monarchy" equals FDR, "democracy" equals institutional oligarchy and "populism" equals republicanism/democracy, the United States is a democracy=oligarchy, where the oligarchy is disproportionately (not majority) Jewish, and thus the outcomes on immigration issues tends towards the pro side.

    So there is no conspiracy, but the makeup of society and our government just ends up with the result of the Great Replacement.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Nodwink, @Peter Johnson, @Almost Missouri, @Coemgen, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @epebble, @Ben tillman

    there is no Elders of Zion deciding to increase immigration.

    Barbara Lerner Spectre seemed to think there was.

    I myself haven’t made up my mind, but BLS seems more plugged in to the Inner Party than I am, so perhaps she knows better than I do.

  16. It’s just Jews versus Christians

    Come on.

    There’s some purple-haired pansexual pagans in the middle, but they don’t really count.

  17. @Anon
    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man. Conspiracy implies a committee that meets and decides on plans with specific goals and purposes and then executes those plans through agents, with all parties more or less aware of what is going on.

    The Great Replacement is not that teleological. It's more of a natural and organic massing of interests and personality preferences in a way that naturally leads in the direction of immigration.

    For instance, there is no Elders of Zion deciding to increase immigration. There are people who for genetic/cultural reasons favor immigration, for its outcomes or just because it's a high status way to think and gets you into better parties. One's opinion about immigration is a narrow, specific personality trait (and probably can be expressed in OCEAN terms).

    But if you take American Jews as a separate group, their mean point on the anti- vs. pro-immigration spectrum comes out more on the pro side than the anti, relative to other groups (including relative to recent immigrants and to blacks). Jews and non-Jews mostly overlap (Lewontin's Fallacy), but the means are different, affecting the pro tail disproportionately (along with an anti tail that includes Jewish Stephen Miller). Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately, and are able to steer policy more towards immigration than a true democratic outcome would.

    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.

    On the Curtis Yarvin "monarchy/democracy/populism" scale, where "monarchy" equals FDR, "democracy" equals institutional oligarchy and "populism" equals republicanism/democracy, the United States is a democracy=oligarchy, where the oligarchy is disproportionately (not majority) Jewish, and thus the outcomes on immigration issues tends towards the pro side.

    So there is no conspiracy, but the makeup of society and our government just ends up with the result of the Great Replacement.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Nodwink, @Peter Johnson, @Almost Missouri, @Coemgen, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @epebble, @Ben tillman

    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man.

    If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Unless, of course, it can be proven to be otherwise.

    The U.S. Department of State and “intelligence agencies” exist to create and unwind conspiracies.

    The existent of secure communications between media sources seems very conspiratorial:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecureDrop

    Interestingly, someone who thinks that there is a conspiracy to divide-and-conquer (the U.S.? the West? the world?) will branded as a tin-foil hat wearing yahoo by the same people who think that “Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. Presidential election” is a real conspiracy between Trump and Putin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

  18. @Achmed E. Newman
    That's indeed the case for the journalists and D politicians, but (sarcasm filter employed) I think you give the GOP pols too much credit. They have let this go way too far for way too long. Maybe it's not low IQ but a lack of integrity to do what's right. They have been loyal to their Big-Biz donors, and they want to fit in in the beltway cocktail party circuit.

    That fits in with what you say about "We're Good". Many go over to the "Good People" side out of cowardice and lack of integrity.

    What Tucker sometimes gets into is the REAL overarching reason the elites want mass immigration. It's not just for the votes, though importing people from countries with no concept of freedom/rights/etc. certainly helps in this. They want to eliminate the White Middle Class, period. The White Middle Class has (had?) disposable income, extra time, and great organizational skills to compete against the rich in business ventures and in politics. They don't like that!

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden, @Jonathan Mason, @Richard B

    “They want to eliminate the White Middle Class, period“

    Disinformation.

    Now, if we carefully look at American history, the first “great replacement” began in the 1840s and 1850s, when white native Protestants—the “true” Americans—were threatened by the massive importing of Irish and German papists. The second “great replacement” was the period from 1890 to 1920, when hordes of Roman Catholic Eastern and Southern Europeans inundated our shores. They were undesirables, as they would dilute the power and influence of the founding stock. If your ancestors arrived during those two periods, they contributed in part to America’s changing demographics. Do us all a favor—acknowledge their sins, and go back.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Troll: anonymouseperson
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Corvinus

    You first, Continental mutt.

    , @ic1000
    @Corvinus

    Mr. Corvinus, if you hadn't guessed already, I pressed "Agree" to make a contribution to this thread that is the equal of your comment. You Can Do Better.

    , @BB753
    @Corvinus

    Those earlier waves were indeed undesirable and were allowed to enter into America by elites to wage demographic and economic war on the native or as you put it "true" The Fed, Roosevelt's Great Society would not have passed before 1840.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    , @AndrewR
    @Corvinus

    Germany and Ireland don't make it easy for descendants of long-ago emigrants to return. In most cases, it's functionally impossible. And even if that weren't true, the same people destroying the US are doing the same to Europe. But you knew that.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @AnotherDad
    @Corvinus



    Now, if we carefully look at American history, the first “great replacement” began in the 1840s and 1850s, when white native Protestants—the “true” Americans—were threatened by the massive importing of Irish and German papists. The second “great replacement” was the period from 1890 to 1920, when hordes of Roman Catholic Eastern and Southern Europeans inundated our shores.
    ...

     

    Corny, I'm going to try and help you get smarter.

    When the US should have shut down mass immigration is a completely debatably point.
    -- Right after the founding? There is a case for this based on direct genetic interests of the founders. But there was an American empire to grab, and the additions were essentially the very same people.
    -- When my Irish ancestors showed up? (Fortunately for me, the founding stock were foolish enough to let us in. Fools!)
    -- When the Frontier closed with America already the largest Western nation with the highest GDP and GDP in the world? I'd argue, yes. But industrialization was rolling. Cheap labor!
    -- In the 20s? It was obvious and they did.
    -- Now. With native Americans choosing sub-replacement fertility and deserving the lifestyle and environmental benefits, but instead with foreigners (many low IQ) rushing in and the population exploding past 300 million, driving down wages, driving up costs, crowding everything, everywhere? It's not even a serious debate.


    Inductive reasoning is a useful tool. But human affairs do not work like the mathematical induction. Because once upon a time our ancestors had n and managed n+1, does not mean that sitting here at k, we should do k+1.

    Corny I don't know if some poor benighted woman consented to be your wife. But for the sake of argument. You had a kid? Then another kid? Then another? Why did you stop! What are you some kind of kid hater? If one was good and two better, then you should have three, then four, then five, then six ... Stopping anti-peopleism!

    Seriously, if the guys from Zeta Reticuli show up and complain that their planet is too crowded and they just want the same chance to "build a new life" in on this nice little planet that you just happen to live on by dumb luck ... you are going to let them in?

    Corny don't be fooled. Just because a bunch of smart people keep parroting it, does not mean immigrationism makes any sense. Immigrationism is actually an obviously stupid, biologically illogical, innumerate ideology anyone can debunk with 6th grade. The smart people pushing it are not doing it because they are smart, they are doing it because they are evil. They are not your friends.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  19. But then why is every other White majority country on the planet made to take mass 3rd world immigration? It’s not just America.

    It’s as if there’s a deeper anti-Whitism at work.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  20. You forgot the part about Dark Meat being good, White Meat not so good.

  21. @Corvinus
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “They want to eliminate the White Middle Class, period“

    Disinformation.

    Now, if we carefully look at American history, the first “great replacement” began in the 1840s and 1850s, when white native Protestants—the “true” Americans—were threatened by the massive importing of Irish and German papists. The second “great replacement” was the period from 1890 to 1920, when hordes of Roman Catholic Eastern and Southern Europeans inundated our shores. They were undesirables, as they would dilute the power and influence of the founding stock. If your ancestors arrived during those two periods, they contributed in part to America’s changing demographics. Do us all a favor—acknowledge their sins, and go back.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @ic1000, @BB753, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad

    You first, Continental mutt.

  22. Late-breaking WWH update! Women and POCs are demanding the right to work from home forever.

    This woman says that a female colleague complimented her on her hair when she was wearing it one way, leading her to the natural conclusion that the remark was actually a veiled insult regarding the way she wore it another day.

    It ain’t your father’s Wall Street Journal anymore

    https://archive.ph/cVUw1

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @HammerJack

    Totally unrelated, I was listening to my man Lee Dorsey again. His tagline, in case you've forgotten: "Lawd, I so tired!"

    https://i.ibb.co/DtYKtj0/Screenshot-20220517-074803-Gallery.jpg

    Replies: @fish

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @HammerJack


    It ain’t your father’s Wall Street Journal anymore
     
    I subscribed briefly thinking it was the last conservative newspaper. The "news" side however was a woke dumpster fire. On the bright side the comments were always smarter than the article. And the editorial side was A+ for lack of wokeness.

    They would double their revenue if they'd dump their woketard news writers. Or just offer the editorial side as a separate subscription.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @HammerJack

    a female colleague complimented her on her hair

    Maybe she got mad because she interpreted it as sarcasm. She hates the way her hair looks.

    On the other hand, I notice it's common among women to compliment each other's hairstyle, sincerely or not. My adult daughter will do it to complete strangers, like the cashier at the supermarket. It's an innocuous compliment, generally well received.

    , @AceDeuce
    @HammerJack

    It makes it easier for them to screw off and not even appear like they're doing anything.

    , @Moses
    @HammerJack

    It’s almost as if everyone is happier when different races live in different countries.

  23. @Corvinus
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “They want to eliminate the White Middle Class, period“

    Disinformation.

    Now, if we carefully look at American history, the first “great replacement” began in the 1840s and 1850s, when white native Protestants—the “true” Americans—were threatened by the massive importing of Irish and German papists. The second “great replacement” was the period from 1890 to 1920, when hordes of Roman Catholic Eastern and Southern Europeans inundated our shores. They were undesirables, as they would dilute the power and influence of the founding stock. If your ancestors arrived during those two periods, they contributed in part to America’s changing demographics. Do us all a favor—acknowledge their sins, and go back.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @ic1000, @BB753, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad

    Mr. Corvinus, if you hadn’t guessed already, I pressed “Agree” to make a contribution to this thread that is the equal of your comment. You Can Do Better.

  24. @Peter Akuleyev
    Democrats promote immigration policies that are in the Democrats’ electoral self-interest.

    Except they don't. Maybe they think that's what they are doing but diluting the black population with Latinos and Asians is a self defeating strategy for the Left over the long term - those groups are naturally socially conservative and eventually come around to the same realization that in the end American politics is blacks vs. everyone else.

    Bringing in more blacks from Africa would make sense from the Democrats point of view, but they have not had resounding success so far. But watch this space.

    Replies: @Charon, @Spud Boy, @Arclight, @guest007, @Alden, @Deadite

    “…but diluting the black population with Latinos and Asians is a self defeating strategy for the Left over the long term…”

    So, any day now we can expect California to flip back to the Republicans?

    In the long term, we’re all dead.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Spud Boy

    Whites in places like California benefit from increased Latino immigration pushing blacks out of California. Remember Steve's obsession about Compton which is not 70% Latino but Compton High School is 80% Latino. One would suspect that the 19% of the students who are black want to get out of Compton as fast as possible.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Anonymous

  25. Hispanics will be fully white in 60 years. They are basically where the Italians were in 1940. That said, Italian Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

    • Disagree: guest007, Daniel H
    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @guest007
    @Batman

    The Italians never benefitted from quotas, affirmative Action, set asides, ethnic groups in college, and blatantly ethnicity/race based professional organizations. Moat Latinos who go to college will probably come out militant progressive Democrats just like blacks do.

    Replies: @Batman, @Hhsiii

    , @Hibernian
    @Batman


    That said, Italian Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
     
    Not anymore.
    , @Anonymous
    @Batman

    Dream on.
    There are approx. 12 million Americans of full/partial Italian ancestry vs over 40 MILLION Hispanics (roughly 4x the size). It's quite likely that the number of illegal Hispanics and their anchor babies alone outnumber all the Americans Italian ancestry.

    I think your conflating the two groups (Italians, Mexicans) b/c they both speak a Latin language and are mostly Roman Catholic. Heck even their flags are similar! Plus both have great cuisines!

    Then there's issues of phenotypic/genotypic differences. "Hispanics" are largely Euro/Amerindian mixes and while Italian migrants did come disproportionately from southern Italy, (where people tend to be duskier and average IQ somewhat lower that the prototypical American of NW Euro ancestry), HALF of these migrants ultimately returned to Italy b/c there was no welfare state in those days, so in many regards we were left with the cream of their crop.
    Can half of our Hispanics please go back to Latin America like the Italians did and can we follow up w/ a 40 year pause on immigration too?! Is that too much to ask?! Pretty please??

    12 million olive-skinned Caucasians from Italy a century ago is not the same as this never-ending nightmare of tens of millions of Amerindian/mestizo chulos flooding the country. And even the olive-skinned, roman nosed Italian American stereotype doesn't cover all 12 million, since some are of Northern Italian extraction who phenotypically and genotypicaly overlapping a large degree w/ NW Euros who formed the original basis of America's white pop.

  26. @HammerJack
    Late-breaking WWH update! Women and POCs are demanding the right to work from home forever.

    This woman says that a female colleague complimented her on her hair when she was wearing it one way, leading her to the natural conclusion that the remark was actually a veiled insult regarding the way she wore it another day.

    https://i.ibb.co/T4KWWxH/Screenshot-20220517-072232-Firefox.jpg

    It ain't your father's Wall Street Journal anymore

    https://archive.ph/cVUw1

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Hypnotoad666, @Harry Baldwin, @AceDeuce, @Moses

    Totally unrelated, I was listening to my man Lee Dorsey again. His tagline, in case you’ve forgotten: “Lawd, I so tired!”

    • Replies: @fish
    @HammerJack

    Yeah....looks like all sorts of productive stuff is gettin done!

    Replies: @Charon

  27. @dearieme
    There are signs in Britain that the Moslems are all voting Labour (or more than "all" since nice Toni Blair changed the rules to make it easier to cheat on voting). There are signs that Hindus might therefore increasingly vote Conservative.

    All very vibrant.

    Replies: @Charon, @Martin Davies, @Alden, @anonymouseperson

    Not just muslims, the majority of Africans and Asians vote Labour.

  28. Just one more glimpse of Not Your Father’s Wall Street Journal…

    Their hero!

    ………………………………………………………

    PS: I’d gladly go “back” to Europe, except that 1) they aren’t accepting white people and 2) there’s no Europe any more. Coincidentally enough.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @HammerJack

    The Rene Girard mimetic aspects of modern cosmo-politix are underrated. It turned out plenty of liberals secretly yearned to be Wall Street Journal-reading, corporation-worshiping yuppies, and now have given themselves permission to be that. It’s not that different from Condoleezza Rice and the Republicans deciding in 2003 that they’d like to be evangelical Wilsonians on behalf of desperate Iraqis yearning to breathe free. Many more s.o.b. greedhead Reps like Cheney were just puppeteering that virtue signal, though.

    It’ll be interesting to learn eventually who was pulling the strings on the puppet bo-bo liberal masses.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @HammerJack

    Stephen Colbert on Faith, Comedy and Calling Trump's Mouth Putin's Cock Holster.

    What a classy guy. So full of love.

  29. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Anon

    Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately

    People in powerful prestigious jobs generally benefit quite a lot from immigration - cheaper domestic labor, more exciting restaurants to visit, exotic nannies to impress your friends, warm glow of moral superiority vs. the "xenophobes", newcomers who may need their patronage, etc. etc. - and have a hard time understanding why everyone else isn't as excited as they are.

    As much as a lot of people want to attribute elite immigration policy to pure malice, it is better understood as a natural strategy to maximize social status. And people will almost always rationalize the choice that makes them feel happier personally as the morally correct choice.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @neutral, @AnotherDad

    As much as a lot of people want to attribute elite immigration policy to pure malice, it is better understood as a natural strategy to maximize social status.

    I don’t see these two things as separate, to show malice to anything white is the highest form of virtue signaling.

  30. @Peter Akuleyev
    Democrats promote immigration policies that are in the Democrats’ electoral self-interest.

    Except they don't. Maybe they think that's what they are doing but diluting the black population with Latinos and Asians is a self defeating strategy for the Left over the long term - those groups are naturally socially conservative and eventually come around to the same realization that in the end American politics is blacks vs. everyone else.

    Bringing in more blacks from Africa would make sense from the Democrats point of view, but they have not had resounding success so far. But watch this space.

    Replies: @Charon, @Spud Boy, @Arclight, @guest007, @Alden, @Deadite

    Agree with your 1st paragraph – it seems not unlikely that Latinos in the 21st century are like the Italians of the early 20th century. Asians are more collectivist in mindset and Dem politics might appeal to them but having to be in bed with blacks politically is probably more than a lot of them are willing to do.

    As for Africans, the source probably matters a lot. Losers like Somalis will happily exploit US social welfare and vote Democratic, but more enterprising groups like Ethiopians and Nigerians in my limited experience are very turned off by American black culture and behavior and don’t consider them kin of any kind. That’s not to say their kids might not be captured by our garbage culture but there is at least a fighting chance that some of them don’t fall for it. I had a young lady as an intern last year whose parents were Nigerian immigrants and she was great – earnest, intelligent and hardworking, and frankly just sort of a nerd. She and her siblings had all been born and raised in the US (Texas) and are all headed for the upper middle class on merit.

    Obviously just anecdotal and probably progs in the State Department are working to ensure most African immigrants come from the biggest dumps they can find so they are immediately dependent on the government…

  31. Mass immigration would be challenging enough in a modern nation which is not full of undeveloped agricultural land in need of homesteading or in the process of industrialization and urbanization. Moreso after the establishment of a welfare state. In broad terms, these are substantive differences between prior periods of in-migration to the U.S. and what we have now – the country is no longer reasonably in need of people to establish agricultural operations, work in factories, or populate its cities. This alone would be reason enough to reevaluate the nation’s immigration law and policy, and at the very least strictly enforce existing immigration law. Immigration must always be measured against its deleterious effect upon social cohesion and its potential to erode a civic culture.

    But whether created by immigration itself, contributing factors to an intolerable situation include a constellation of beliefs, attitudes, and sub rosa policies propagated by the ruling class:

    1) The current legal immigration policy was secured by mistake at best, or downright fraud when Americans were assured at the time of passage that it would not alter the demographic balance of the United States. The results of a law or policy, when understood from empirical measures, must be presumed to be the purpose and intention of the policies. Hart-Celler has absolutely upended the demographic balance of the United States. Its continuance as a policy must be interpreted therefore as its purpose and intention. It’s a policy like any other – like taxes, clean water regulations, or the speed limit – it is not an act of God unaffected by the government that oversees it.

    2) Illegal immigration is de facto legal. Removal efforts are frustrated at every turn by a web of legal activists inside and outside of government. Democratic party dominated States and municipalities actively interfere with the enforcement of Federal Law, recruit illegals with sanctuary State/City status, and confer upon illegals the practical benefits of U.S. citizenship in the form of identification documents, government benefits and services, etc. Due to insane policies such as the census counting all persons and not distinguishing between citizens and non-citizens in apportionment, illegals became a source of electoral power and clients for an increased receipt of Federal appropriations thereby funding the left’s administrative state and government worker unions. The presence of illegals in the United States is used as leverage to expand and liberalize legal immigration against the wishes of the electorate.

    3) “Diversity is our strength,” which means immigrants and people of color must struggle against assimilation into American culture and always stand apart from it. The most abrasive behavior by immigrants and their issue is actively encouraged. Institutions are compelled to discriminate in favor of everybody but whites, which is of course a crude ruse to obscure discrimination against whites. Recent immigrants and their children are immediately eligible for preferences in educational admissions, government backed loans, etc. over native born whites.

    4) The 1960s Civil Rights revolution has swallowed the U.S. Constitution and rights are group/identity based now. Everyone but whites have been encouraged to make their non-white race and/or ethnicity the center of their identities and to perceive politics as a matter of the personal integrity of this identity. Group esteem becomes a function of numbers because numbers confer political power, and the most direct way to increase group esteem is to import more of one’s group.

    5) Whiteness is both a non-existent social construct and the root of all social ills. Whites do not exist, except as culprits and villains. Whites inherit guilt from all predecessor whites, regardless of relative social class, and owe debts to all non-whites regardless of the latters’ origins. A Brahmin immigrant is oppressed by – and relative to – an unshod Scots-Irish Appalachian. Vocal abuse of lower status whites and “whiteness” is a marker of status and sport of the ruling class – its acceptance and repetition is considered a requisite for entry into elite institutions and social circles. It is not considered a breach of decorum to viciously criticize whites and whiteness unbidden in most situations in American life and when it is done in the news media it is considered self-evident and uncontroversial. Although clearly reified as a negative identity by the ruling classes and their institutions – while at the same time rights are group and identity based – whites are not permitted to have common interests even if in defense.

    6) The Democratic party elected to eschew elements of its traditional base in the form of the white working class in favor of an emergent urban high-low coalition predicted by think-tankers like Judas and Teixeira and Richard Florida at about the same time that it came to be fully fused with formerly neutral institutions such as the academy and news and entertainment media. It has no electoral or moral incentive to address the diminished life prospects of these members of its former base – they are a problem to be solved, rather than people to be served. Leftists and Democrats vociferously celebrate the dispossession and increasing irrelevance of whites in both victory and defeat. They joke about whites fearing being a minority with quips like “what, do they treat minorities poorly or something?” (This is likely much more provocative to a would-be mass shooter than Tucker Carlson noticing that these people celebrate whites’ dispossession and increasing irrelevance).

    7) Internal wage arbitrage is central to the pyramid of economic growth. People who profit from the purchase of labor in bulk in both the skilled and unskilled markets prefer to suppress wages by the use of coolie labor within the United States. You will lose your job as a framing contractor’s laborer to illegal Salvadorans who will work for a fraction of what would otherwise be the market wage, while your son will have acquired educational debt but will be outcompeted for a programming job by an H1B from Bangladesh who will work longer for less and has no such educational debt. You and your son will both be insulted as too lazy to “do jobs that Americans won’t do.”

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Outstanding summary of our country

    , @Goddard
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    What a summary. Pure gold.

    , @Luke Lea
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    "Immigration must always be measured against its deleterious effect upon social cohesion and its potential to erode a civic culture."

    Well said.

  32. The reason Democratic politicians and journalists support mass immigration is not because they want to unethically win elections by importing ringers. Instead, it’s because, like immigration, they are Good. It’s the Republicans who are Bad.

    There is way more too it than importing ringers or even the moral standing in their ever changing religion that allows the left to feel a sense to superiority for doing this. They truly hate the white working and middle classes to a level rarely seen in history. Some of them openly cheer for our extermination.

  33. unethically win elections by importing ringers

    That is means not ends.

  34. @Corvinus
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “They want to eliminate the White Middle Class, period“

    Disinformation.

    Now, if we carefully look at American history, the first “great replacement” began in the 1840s and 1850s, when white native Protestants—the “true” Americans—were threatened by the massive importing of Irish and German papists. The second “great replacement” was the period from 1890 to 1920, when hordes of Roman Catholic Eastern and Southern Europeans inundated our shores. They were undesirables, as they would dilute the power and influence of the founding stock. If your ancestors arrived during those two periods, they contributed in part to America’s changing demographics. Do us all a favor—acknowledge their sins, and go back.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @ic1000, @BB753, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad

    Those earlier waves were indeed undesirable and were allowed to enter into America by elites to wage demographic and economic war on the native or as you put it “true” The Fed, Roosevelt’s Great Society would not have passed before 1840.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @BB753


    The Fed, Roosevelt’s Great Society would not have passed before 1840.
     
    Federal welfare largesse, and the income taxation that paid (or attempted to pay) for it all, were most popular in Dixie, followed by the West and the Rockies, where Old Stock Americans were still in the majority. Where immigration made the difference was in the cities of the Northeast and the future Rust Belt. In which presidential election did Massachusetts's electors first go Democratic?




    1928.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Corvinus
    @BB753

    “Those earlier waves were indeed undesirable and were allowed to enter into America by elites to wage demographic and economic war on the native or as you put it “true””

    According to Who/Whom?

    “The Fed, Roosevelt’s Great Society would not have passed before 1840.”

    Lol, it’s FDR’s New Deal. Or did you mean to say LBJ’s Great Society? Anyways, America was growing by leaps and bounds by 1840, so there was no need for innovative economic solutions to a myriad of social problems.

  35. One of the funny–if this were not so calamitous–things about the Great Replacement is the elite response:

    “Your ‘Great Replacement’ nonsense is just a far-right, racist conspiracy theory which has been thorough debunked by all scholars and scientists. Just the vile, pathetic rantings of losers who see their power declining as immigration makes America more and more diverse. And soon, we won’t have to put up with the likes of you much longer.”

    Usually, their stuff is more cleverly crafted. But in the last few years, their atavistic hatreds have really been “out”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    The Buffalo supermarket shooting (which BTW had nothing to do with the Great Replacement - ADOS blacks have been here for hundreds of years) is an emotional subject for Leftists since Blacks are their most holy objects of worship. In their state of anguish they tend to lash out and accidentally reveal their hatred and their plans for getting rid of white people which they are usually more careful to mask in calmer times.

    There is this pesky 1st Amendment (and 2nd Amendment) thing that keeps getting in their way but if they were only allowed to get rid of the filibuster and pack the Supreme Court this could be taken care of.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Anonymous

  36. @Anon
    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man. Conspiracy implies a committee that meets and decides on plans with specific goals and purposes and then executes those plans through agents, with all parties more or less aware of what is going on.

    The Great Replacement is not that teleological. It's more of a natural and organic massing of interests and personality preferences in a way that naturally leads in the direction of immigration.

    For instance, there is no Elders of Zion deciding to increase immigration. There are people who for genetic/cultural reasons favor immigration, for its outcomes or just because it's a high status way to think and gets you into better parties. One's opinion about immigration is a narrow, specific personality trait (and probably can be expressed in OCEAN terms).

    But if you take American Jews as a separate group, their mean point on the anti- vs. pro-immigration spectrum comes out more on the pro side than the anti, relative to other groups (including relative to recent immigrants and to blacks). Jews and non-Jews mostly overlap (Lewontin's Fallacy), but the means are different, affecting the pro tail disproportionately (along with an anti tail that includes Jewish Stephen Miller). Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately, and are able to steer policy more towards immigration than a true democratic outcome would.

    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.

    On the Curtis Yarvin "monarchy/democracy/populism" scale, where "monarchy" equals FDR, "democracy" equals institutional oligarchy and "populism" equals republicanism/democracy, the United States is a democracy=oligarchy, where the oligarchy is disproportionately (not majority) Jewish, and thus the outcomes on immigration issues tends towards the pro side.

    So there is no conspiracy, but the makeup of society and our government just ends up with the result of the Great Replacement.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Nodwink, @Peter Johnson, @Almost Missouri, @Coemgen, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @epebble, @Ben tillman

    How then do you explain Israel’s extreme restrictive immigration policy?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon

    There is no such thing. Aside from the fact that as Israel classifies "Jews" it includes black Africans that aren't really Jewish at all, Israel, like any modern high labor cost country is full of aliens, both legal and illegal - Filipino elder care ladies, Thai farm workers, illegal aliens from Africa doing construction, etc. The imaginary "hypocritical" Israel that exists in your head is nothing like the actual place.

    The #1 driver of the Great Replacement is not the Democrat desire to elect a new people but differences in wage levels between the 3rd world and the 1st world. This difference in wage levels is like two bodies of water at different levels - as long as the levels are different there is going to be pressure to equalize them. You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.

    In any case, you can't really compare Israel, a tiny country that was founded as the world's one and only Jewish state, with a vast multiethnic country like the US that has no such religious mandate.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @AnotherDad, @SunBakedSuburb, @Hypnotoad666, @ginger bread man, @silviosilver

  37. @Anon
    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man. Conspiracy implies a committee that meets and decides on plans with specific goals and purposes and then executes those plans through agents, with all parties more or less aware of what is going on.

    The Great Replacement is not that teleological. It's more of a natural and organic massing of interests and personality preferences in a way that naturally leads in the direction of immigration.

    For instance, there is no Elders of Zion deciding to increase immigration. There are people who for genetic/cultural reasons favor immigration, for its outcomes or just because it's a high status way to think and gets you into better parties. One's opinion about immigration is a narrow, specific personality trait (and probably can be expressed in OCEAN terms).

    But if you take American Jews as a separate group, their mean point on the anti- vs. pro-immigration spectrum comes out more on the pro side than the anti, relative to other groups (including relative to recent immigrants and to blacks). Jews and non-Jews mostly overlap (Lewontin's Fallacy), but the means are different, affecting the pro tail disproportionately (along with an anti tail that includes Jewish Stephen Miller). Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately, and are able to steer policy more towards immigration than a true democratic outcome would.

    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.

    On the Curtis Yarvin "monarchy/democracy/populism" scale, where "monarchy" equals FDR, "democracy" equals institutional oligarchy and "populism" equals republicanism/democracy, the United States is a democracy=oligarchy, where the oligarchy is disproportionately (not majority) Jewish, and thus the outcomes on immigration issues tends towards the pro side.

    So there is no conspiracy, but the makeup of society and our government just ends up with the result of the Great Replacement.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Nodwink, @Peter Johnson, @Almost Missouri, @Coemgen, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @epebble, @Ben tillman

    “Conspiracy” connotes something done in secret. PMC leftists have a “two frequencies” approach to political and social discussion. Think of it like UHF and VHF. It’s not done in secret so much as simultaneously discussed differently on the two frequencies.

    On the VHF frequency, which consists of institutions they control like the academy or unpopular cable news shows (i.e., A.M. Joy) they speak quite clearly about what their intentions are and what the policies should be and who should be harmed by the policies. These discussions aren’t strictly “secret” or “confidential” – anyone with a basic cable subscription can hear them. But they’re obscured from wide distribution by intention insofar as they’re on a “frequency” with a lot of social and cultural barriers for most people. Here, you can openly celebrate whites becoming fewer in number and becoming less politically relevant as a good thing.

    On the UHF frequency, they talk about gauzy, euphemistic things like diversity being a strength and immigration stories from 100 years ago and how hard working Ecuadoran landscapers are. The UHF frequency is more broadly distributed (i.e., CBS Evening News), and they establish the vocabulary that Democrats seeking office will use to manufacture consent for the much more piquant plans made on the VHF frequency. Here, you will be un-personed for referencing what is currently being discussed on the VHF frequency – whites becoming fewer in number and less politically relevant isn’t happening, and even if it is happening only a racist would notice such a thing.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Not that it matters, but historically VHF stations were considered the major mainstream channels, and UHF stations were the marginal outlets.

    Until the '90s, the vast majority of stations affiliated with the Big Three networks (ABC, CBS, and NBC) were VHF.

    When Fox began broadcasting in the '80s, most of its affiliates were UHF. (An early episode of Married ... with Children featured a joke about "the Fox viewing position," in which the family positioned various pieces of metal and tin foil around their living room to try to boost the network's weak signal.)

    VHF stations occupied the spectrum from Channel 2 to 13, so the number of such stations was limited. Many areas ended up with only one VHF station.

    During the analog era, UHF had a much wider range - Channels 14 to 83. Theoretically, this should have allowed for a huge expansion in the number of TV stations in America, but this did not happen for many years.

    The problem was that, until the mid-'60s, most television manufacturers did not include UHF-reception capability in their products. The first UHF stations went on the air in the early '50s, but most of them failed because the vast majority of viewers could not watch them. It was not until 1964 that the federal government mandated that all television sets sold in the United States be able to pick up UHF channels. And it was not until the '80s that UHF stations began to proliferate. ("Weird Al" Yankovic's offbeat comedy UHF was released in 1989.)

    It's ironic that you should mention CBS, because in the early '90s that network suffered greatly after losing the NFC package to Fox. Then-CBS owner Larry Tisch allowed Fox to outbid CBS because he'd concluded that big-time sports packages were a waste of money. CBS had spent billions on MLB and the Winter Olympics and had lost money on both deals. Tisch failed to appreciate the importance of the NFL package in driving viewers to the rest of the prime-time schedule.

    Shortly after that deal went through, Rupert Murdoch made another deal with a group of stations, most of which were located in NFC cities, to switch affiliations from CBS to Fox. In most of those cities, CBS went from VHF to UHF station, and saw its ratings plummet. In Atlanta, for example, CBS went from Channel 5 to Channel 46; in Detroit, it went from Channel 2 to Channel 62.

    That season, CBS fell from first to third in the prime-time ratings. Tisch sold the network shortly thereafter.

    When the AFC package came up a few years later, CBS went all-out to grab it.

  38. LP5 says:

    Follow The Money

    The Uniparty elders agreed amongst themselves long ago that they would do whatever it took to stay in power. That meant the following:

    Pass legislation to provide a steady stream of tax revenues for pet programs.
    Include in that stream many opportunities to siphon off their shares. See Ukraine beneficiaries like the spawn of Pelosi, Romney, Kerry and Biden on the Burisma board and associated with other sketchy organizations. Side note, see how Rand Paul called out their game on that \$40 billion giveaway by insisting on an Inspector General.

    One take-away is that the Uniparty doesn’t want to be found out. IG equivalents for others, not for them. Ends justify means to stay in power.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  39. Conspiracy theory- something true that they don’t like talking about.

  40. @Anon
    @Anon

    How then do you explain Israel's extreme restrictive immigration policy?

    Replies: @Jack D

    There is no such thing. Aside from the fact that as Israel classifies “Jews” it includes black Africans that aren’t really Jewish at all, Israel, like any modern high labor cost country is full of aliens, both legal and illegal – Filipino elder care ladies, Thai farm workers, illegal aliens from Africa doing construction, etc. The imaginary “hypocritical” Israel that exists in your head is nothing like the actual place.

    The #1 driver of the Great Replacement is not the Democrat desire to elect a new people but differences in wage levels between the 3rd world and the 1st world. This difference in wage levels is like two bodies of water at different levels – as long as the levels are different there is going to be pressure to equalize them. You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.

    In any case, you can’t really compare Israel, a tiny country that was founded as the world’s one and only Jewish state, with a vast multiethnic country like the US that has no such religious mandate.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Jack D

    Does Israel give those people and their kids citizenship? Does it encourage or even allow them to marry Jewish women?

    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.
     
    The purpose of a dam is not only to hold water back on one side, but to control its flow and divert the reservoir it creates one one side to productive purposes including irrigation and energy generation buy managed releases of the flow. Dams actually work fairly well and you've lost the plot of your analogy if you propose that the water on both sides will inevitably reach the same level so don't bother building a dam.

    The current affair is not an inevitability but rather a matter of choice. To complete your analogy, our water is at a relatively low volume of 330 million, and there's a volume of about 4-5 Billion built up on the other side. Probably 85% of the world would which "wants a better lot" would have a better lot simply by appearing on American soil and they know it. Are we just supposed to expect to establish some kind of equilibrium where the U.S. will be so populous and poor enough that people won't be motivated to come here? That the average American will be not much better off materially than the average Cameroonian or Ecuadoran and this will finally stem the tide of in-migration?

    This is not your most compelling or well thought out argument, Jack.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    , @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Jack D

    Hey, Steve, could you put some sort of remotely-activatable, virtual shock device on this guy, Jack?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZag1zlecGI
    • Agree: Johann Ricke, Corvinus

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Geez Jack, c'mon.

    1) Israel.
    Seriously? I'm not someone jazzed about Israel either way. It is interesting to me, pretty much only in that its Jews do pretty much the direct opposite of what Jews advocate here. They run an explicit ethno-nationalist immigration policy to add Jewish numbers to counter the non-Jewish natives. And almost uniquely among developed nations have taken on the Enoch Powell challenge of thinking seriously about the future and ramping up Jewish fertility.

    Being shamed/bullied by American Jews preaching minoritarianism into taking 20K Ethiopean kinda-sorta-Jews and having some cheap-labor guest workers does not alter that.


    2) Great Replacement.


    The #1 driver of the Great Replacement is not the Democrat desire to elect a new people but differences in wage levels between the 3rd world and the 1st world.
     
    This is only true in terms of the "source" side. Yes, that's the source right now.

    But there's nothing new about having a "source". There is always a "source" ready to invade your land. Traditionally--and in the early settlement of America--that was for land. People just want your territory, the do not necessarily--usually don't--want the natives. Since the closing of the frontier, that's no longer relevant even in America. Immigrants instead want to come to America (or Europe) because the natives--i.e. my ancestors--simply built a better more prosperous nation(s) than the immigrants did in wherever the hell they were from. And they want to grab a piece of it.

    The "Great Replacement" is only trivially about "source"--which is always present. It is about why that source is being allowed in. (Same source applies to Japan and it is not--yet--being flooded.)

    And all the more so, because of the very thing you note: you have less capable, less prosperous peoples trying to get in. Maybe in the old days if they were good horsemen they could ride into a more prosperous territory anyway. But in today's industrial technological age, that lesser capability/prosperity means they have zero chance of getting in, unless they are being let in.


    3) Nationalism for me and not for thee.


    In any case, you can’t really compare Israel, a tiny country that was founded as the world’s one and only Jewish state, with a vast multiethnic country like the US that has no such religious mandate.
     
    Finally some "honesty"--or at least an honest statement of the Jewish attitude. Israel belongs to the Jews. (Hey we conquered it way back eons ago in 1948!) America does not belong to the Americans who actually settled it centuries ago--while Jews were still honking around in shtetl's in the Pale. No America must be a mult-culti marketplace where Jews can be comfortable middle-manning--not bothered by those tedious natives thinking they have rights and are entitled to govern themselves.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jack D

    As your comment began to glaze my eyes I noticed an image to the right of your box wherein Steve is taking a half-knee on one of his yuppie hiking trails. It appears that Steve is wearing black spandex yoga shorts. The baleful influence of that dog is really shaking up things around here.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    The imaginary “hypocritical” Israel that exists in your head is nothing like the actual place.
     
    Israel is not hypocritical. American dual citizens who want open borders for the U.S. are. And unlike Israel we have birthright citizenship. So profiting short term from foreign labor comes with long term costs for us that make it a sucker deal.

    The Cheap Labor caucus is bad enough. But at this point the policymakers on the left who keep the floodgates open (contrary to law) are motivated by straight up racial animus and by their desire that no place be majority white. Take them at their word. They write it and say it freely.
    , @ginger bread man
    @Jack D

    Israel has a complex, Frankenstein immigration system that serves different purposes at different times.

    At first glance, the ultimate goal of Israeli immigration policy appears to be to encourage Jewish immigration.

    The primary pillar of their immigration system is the “law of return”, which grants Jews and partial Jews automatic refugee status. While on paper those who attain refugee status need to go through a process adjust this status to citizenship, in practice citizenship is conferred automatically upon entry for those who can prove/are deemed to be Jewish. While this admitted significant populations of Jews in the early 1950s and the early 90s, today the annual number of Jews who gain citizenship this way is around 5K/year (even though the Israeli gov’t will claim numbers closer to 10/15k). Who is and isn’t a Jew for the purposes of this law is an Interesting question, which I will discuss further down in this comment.

    Israel explicitly bars Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank from obtaining citizenship.
    The main avenue For non-Jews to gain citizenship in Israel is to marry an Israeli citizen. Non Jewish spouses of Israelis need to apply through a tedious process that takes 5-7 years if all goes right. About 50 people a year are admitted this way, mostly European non-Jews. Palestinians who marry an Israeli Arab cannot gain citizenship through this method.

    While these laws make it look like Israel wants to encourage Jewish immigration and discourage non-Jewish immigration, the Israeli government uses its immigration system to further its policies of social separation and Arab demographic inferiority.

    Officially, the Israeli rabbinate and decides who is Jewish enough to get Israeli citizenship. However, the Israeli government limits who can even begin this process.

    Jews who have voluntarily adopted another religion are excluded from who can gain Israeli citizenship, (after a formerly Jewish Friar who wished to gain a post at a Church in Palestine applied for citizenship though he law of return. While he was granted citizenship, the law changed to disallow future “ex-Jews” from gaining citizenship in that way.)

    Other people excluded from this port of entry are African Jews who while fully practicing Judaism, are considered not Jewish enough by Israeli authorities. (https://www.timesofisrael.com/kenya-jewish-leader-denied-entry-to-israel-deported-to-ethiopia/amp/) in effect, Israel is doing what trump advocated for, which is barring immigration from “shithole countries”.

    This becomes clear when contrasting this exclusion of questionable Jews with the 150,000 marginal Jews who were granted Israeli citizenship in the early 1990s. Some of them had Jewish blood, but many of them simply had Jewish sounding names or lied to gain entry. Some of these immigrants even created Neo Nazi gangs that attacked religious Jews in the Jewish state. ( https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna20668855)

    These people sound quite dangerous to the concept of a safe haven for Jews. Why did Israel let them in you may ask? One answer might be that Israel practices racial preferences in its immigration policy and prefers white partial Jews to Black Jews.

    But, my theory is that Israel wants to minimize the percentage and political cohesiveness of Arab minority. The non-Jewish Russians will not join the Palestinians in their quest for political or social equality. These groups are natural enemies. African Jews, while ostensibly on the same side as the white Jews, may find solidarity with the Palestinians and join their fight against the “white oppressors”.

    Regarding the roughly 700k Filipino, Thai and other foreign workers in Israel, these individuals and their children are not granted citizenship. These foreign workers were brought to Israel in the early 90s following the first intifada. Arabs from within Israel were cheap sources of labor from 1948-1967. Arabs from the West Bank and Gaza served as even cheaper sources of labor From 1967 to around 1988, when they uprise against the Israelis. The government wanted nothing to do with this population and made the decision to import tens of thousands of East Asians to do the work that the Palestinians used to do. This ostensibly made the Jews safer as potentially dangerous terrorist would have fewer chances to attack them. It also gave them psychic comfort in that those who Israel dispossessed in 1948 of their homes and livelihoods would longer be in their homes cleaning or taking care of their elderly parents.

    This coincided with the transition of the Israeli economy from socialism to neoliberal capitalism and the replacement of Jewish labor as a core value of Israeli society with economic growth.

    , @silviosilver
    @Jack D

    If diversity is strength and you care about a strong Israel, you should want to diversify Israel.

    It doesn't matter that Israel was originally set up to be Jewish. America was originally set up to be white, but once people realized what a huge strength diversity is, all that went by the wayside.

    If Israel wants to tap into that same strength, it's going to have to diversify. History moves forward, not backward.

  41. As a middle-age white male I am fully in support of “The Great Replacement” if that’s what natural selection and evolution is called these days (nature is conspiring against us!).

    I do so for two main reasons.

    Firstly, I love diversity and non-white women since I was a child in an all-white elementary school in middle America in the 1970’s and a brown-skinned girl from Latin America joined my 3rd-grade class. 😍😍😍.

    Later I married an immigrant. 👩🏾‍❤️‍👨🏼 Bliss ever since!

    Secondly, in just the 25 years when you see the destruction around the globe caused by this empire it now seems the only way to put an end to this monster seeking enemies abroad is to marginalize and eliminate its faithful contract killer— the white male. The more the white male (and to a lesser extent the white female) is marginalized in society, military, and government the better off the world will be.

    I work in a government-related job were I can facilitate— albeit in a relatively minor way— a more diverse country through immigration from non-white and/or non-Christian countries and promote the hiring of minorities and immigrants in government/military. And you can bet your ass that I do so at any and every chance I get. Not because I’m woke, PC, or virtue-signaling but because I view it as perhaps the only way to make America more beautiful while also neutralizing the monster who is so ready to murder abroad.

    • Thanks: Jonathan Mason
    • LOL: silviosilver
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @G. Tart

    The goal of unfettered immigration is not to achieve a state where "all are brown."

    The goal is to squeeze out of existence the less than elite but still with agency population. The result will be a two-tiered population: an ultra-elite of masters-of-the-universe in control and a sub-elite who can be manipulated (eliminated when the masters decide to remember that the earth is overpopulated with humans).

    I guess if you're confident that your progeny will absolutely be included with the elite you have no great motivation to be concerned about the malicious use of immigration.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @G. Tart

    Hey, your comment is not original. I've read the same thing on here a week or two ago. The personal love story was not there, but I recognized the stupidity from your 5th paragraph on.

    , @jamie b.
    @G. Tart

    I too am married to a brown immigrant. Somehow, this hasn't led me to demonize pale people. Go figure.


    ...I love diversity...
     
    No, a desire for the slow-mo genocide of one group is kinda the opposite.
  42. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    Mass immigration would be challenging enough in a modern nation which is not full of undeveloped agricultural land in need of homesteading or in the process of industrialization and urbanization. Moreso after the establishment of a welfare state. In broad terms, these are substantive differences between prior periods of in-migration to the U.S. and what we have now - the country is no longer reasonably in need of people to establish agricultural operations, work in factories, or populate its cities. This alone would be reason enough to reevaluate the nation's immigration law and policy, and at the very least strictly enforce existing immigration law. Immigration must always be measured against its deleterious effect upon social cohesion and its potential to erode a civic culture.

    But whether created by immigration itself, contributing factors to an intolerable situation include a constellation of beliefs, attitudes, and sub rosa policies propagated by the ruling class:

    1) The current legal immigration policy was secured by mistake at best, or downright fraud when Americans were assured at the time of passage that it would not alter the demographic balance of the United States. The results of a law or policy, when understood from empirical measures, must be presumed to be the purpose and intention of the policies. Hart-Celler has absolutely upended the demographic balance of the United States. Its continuance as a policy must be interpreted therefore as its purpose and intention. It's a policy like any other - like taxes, clean water regulations, or the speed limit - it is not an act of God unaffected by the government that oversees it.

    2) Illegal immigration is de facto legal. Removal efforts are frustrated at every turn by a web of legal activists inside and outside of government. Democratic party dominated States and municipalities actively interfere with the enforcement of Federal Law, recruit illegals with sanctuary State/City status, and confer upon illegals the practical benefits of U.S. citizenship in the form of identification documents, government benefits and services, etc. Due to insane policies such as the census counting all persons and not distinguishing between citizens and non-citizens in apportionment, illegals became a source of electoral power and clients for an increased receipt of Federal appropriations thereby funding the left's administrative state and government worker unions. The presence of illegals in the United States is used as leverage to expand and liberalize legal immigration against the wishes of the electorate.

    3) "Diversity is our strength," which means immigrants and people of color must struggle against assimilation into American culture and always stand apart from it. The most abrasive behavior by immigrants and their issue is actively encouraged. Institutions are compelled to discriminate in favor of everybody but whites, which is of course a crude ruse to obscure discrimination against whites. Recent immigrants and their children are immediately eligible for preferences in educational admissions, government backed loans, etc. over native born whites.

    4) The 1960s Civil Rights revolution has swallowed the U.S. Constitution and rights are group/identity based now. Everyone but whites have been encouraged to make their non-white race and/or ethnicity the center of their identities and to perceive politics as a matter of the personal integrity of this identity. Group esteem becomes a function of numbers because numbers confer political power, and the most direct way to increase group esteem is to import more of one's group.

    5) Whiteness is both a non-existent social construct and the root of all social ills. Whites do not exist, except as culprits and villains. Whites inherit guilt from all predecessor whites, regardless of relative social class, and owe debts to all non-whites regardless of the latters' origins. A Brahmin immigrant is oppressed by - and relative to - an unshod Scots-Irish Appalachian. Vocal abuse of lower status whites and "whiteness" is a marker of status and sport of the ruling class - its acceptance and repetition is considered a requisite for entry into elite institutions and social circles. It is not considered a breach of decorum to viciously criticize whites and whiteness unbidden in most situations in American life and when it is done in the news media it is considered self-evident and uncontroversial. Although clearly reified as a negative identity by the ruling classes and their institutions - while at the same time rights are group and identity based - whites are not permitted to have common interests even if in defense.

    6) The Democratic party elected to eschew elements of its traditional base in the form of the white working class in favor of an emergent urban high-low coalition predicted by think-tankers like Judas and Teixeira and Richard Florida at about the same time that it came to be fully fused with formerly neutral institutions such as the academy and news and entertainment media. It has no electoral or moral incentive to address the diminished life prospects of these members of its former base - they are a problem to be solved, rather than people to be served. Leftists and Democrats vociferously celebrate the dispossession and increasing irrelevance of whites in both victory and defeat. They joke about whites fearing being a minority with quips like "what, do they treat minorities poorly or something?" (This is likely much more provocative to a would-be mass shooter than Tucker Carlson noticing that these people celebrate whites' dispossession and increasing irrelevance).

    7) Internal wage arbitrage is central to the pyramid of economic growth. People who profit from the purchase of labor in bulk in both the skilled and unskilled markets prefer to suppress wages by the use of coolie labor within the United States. You will lose your job as a framing contractor's laborer to illegal Salvadorans who will work for a fraction of what would otherwise be the market wage, while your son will have acquired educational debt but will be outcompeted for a programming job by an H1B from Bangladesh who will work longer for less and has no such educational debt. You and your son will both be insulted as too lazy to "do jobs that Americans won't do."

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Goddard, @Luke Lea

    Outstanding summary of our country

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  43. @Jack D
    @Anon

    There is no such thing. Aside from the fact that as Israel classifies "Jews" it includes black Africans that aren't really Jewish at all, Israel, like any modern high labor cost country is full of aliens, both legal and illegal - Filipino elder care ladies, Thai farm workers, illegal aliens from Africa doing construction, etc. The imaginary "hypocritical" Israel that exists in your head is nothing like the actual place.

    The #1 driver of the Great Replacement is not the Democrat desire to elect a new people but differences in wage levels between the 3rd world and the 1st world. This difference in wage levels is like two bodies of water at different levels - as long as the levels are different there is going to be pressure to equalize them. You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.

    In any case, you can't really compare Israel, a tiny country that was founded as the world's one and only Jewish state, with a vast multiethnic country like the US that has no such religious mandate.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @AnotherDad, @SunBakedSuburb, @Hypnotoad666, @ginger bread man, @silviosilver

    Does Israel give those people and their kids citizenship? Does it encourage or even allow them to marry Jewish women?

  44. @Anon
    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man. Conspiracy implies a committee that meets and decides on plans with specific goals and purposes and then executes those plans through agents, with all parties more or less aware of what is going on.

    The Great Replacement is not that teleological. It's more of a natural and organic massing of interests and personality preferences in a way that naturally leads in the direction of immigration.

    For instance, there is no Elders of Zion deciding to increase immigration. There are people who for genetic/cultural reasons favor immigration, for its outcomes or just because it's a high status way to think and gets you into better parties. One's opinion about immigration is a narrow, specific personality trait (and probably can be expressed in OCEAN terms).

    But if you take American Jews as a separate group, their mean point on the anti- vs. pro-immigration spectrum comes out more on the pro side than the anti, relative to other groups (including relative to recent immigrants and to blacks). Jews and non-Jews mostly overlap (Lewontin's Fallacy), but the means are different, affecting the pro tail disproportionately (along with an anti tail that includes Jewish Stephen Miller). Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately, and are able to steer policy more towards immigration than a true democratic outcome would.

    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.

    On the Curtis Yarvin "monarchy/democracy/populism" scale, where "monarchy" equals FDR, "democracy" equals institutional oligarchy and "populism" equals republicanism/democracy, the United States is a democracy=oligarchy, where the oligarchy is disproportionately (not majority) Jewish, and thus the outcomes on immigration issues tends towards the pro side.

    So there is no conspiracy, but the makeup of society and our government just ends up with the result of the Great Replacement.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Nodwink, @Peter Johnson, @Almost Missouri, @Coemgen, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @epebble, @Ben tillman

    There is no conspiracy, it is a simple consequence of Bipartisan legislation in 1965 to remove national quota on immigration – which means, the population of U.S. would, ever so slowly, resemble the population of the World, modulated by differential birth rates of existing U.S. population. Since most of the World population looks different from U.S. demographics, this diffusion has to change U.S. composition. We also have another secondary effect of all these people producing new kinds of people by blending together in successive generations to produce more multiracial/multiethnic melting pot.

    Add to it a definite bias among employers to get better value for their wages that sometimes comes from employing immigrants, no different than most Americans liking to buy a Japanese or Korean car or electronics, European fancy stuff like wine and chocolate and cheap stuff from China in Walmart or Amazon.

    There was a substantial kick to the process by St. Ronald in 1980’s to amnesty many illegals that led to a sizeable additional migration of the families in the 1990s. Then there was a 1990 Bipartisan bill signed into law by G.H.W. Bush to increase immigration mostly to help employers find skilled workers for the much-feared Y2K.

    If there is one word for the “conspiracy” in our immigration law, it is inertia. Inability to change our laws to suit with changing times. However, many people think this is a feature and not a bug. What is gridlock for one party is often checks and balances for the other.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
  45. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Anon

    Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately

    People in powerful prestigious jobs generally benefit quite a lot from immigration - cheaper domestic labor, more exciting restaurants to visit, exotic nannies to impress your friends, warm glow of moral superiority vs. the "xenophobes", newcomers who may need their patronage, etc. etc. - and have a hard time understanding why everyone else isn't as excited as they are.

    As much as a lot of people want to attribute elite immigration policy to pure malice, it is better understood as a natural strategy to maximize social status. And people will almost always rationalize the choice that makes them feel happier personally as the morally correct choice.

    Replies: @Hangnail Hans, @neutral, @AnotherDad

    People in powerful prestigious jobs generally benefit quite a lot from immigration – cheaper domestic labor, more exciting restaurants to visit, exotic nannies to impress your friends, warm glow of moral superiority vs. the “xenophobes”, newcomers who may need their patronage, etc. etc. – and have a hard time understanding why everyone else isn’t as excited as they are.

    Peter, there really is not anything economically substantive to any of this. Unless you are actually cheap laboring a business, all this gardener, nanny, restaurants stuff is far, far outweighed by pretty direct costs is housing, schooling, crowding, social dislocation, taxation.

    But my main disagreement is not even that, it is the bolded bit.

    The elite ideology in which there is “moral superiority” from immigrationism is basically because of the rise Jews–the Judification of American elite ideology.

    There is an “educated person” moral superiority to be had in overcoming a very parochial xenophobia. You understand that foreigners are not necessarily evil, they are just different. They have a different look, a different culture, a different way of doing things–but some of them are fine people. However, that more nuanced educated view is not remotely the same thing is saying that your interests may not be in conflict, much less that their interests are the same, much, much, much less that they should be allowed to stream into your people’s nation. In fact, the immigrationist “everyone’s the same”, rainbows+happy trees view is far from “educated” or “nuanced” it is intellectually vapid and silly.

    Immigration can/does tap a “Christian charity” element. (Count me as someone deeply annoyed with these Christians and their adopted African babies. Jesus people, Jesus can wait!)

    But immigrationism also pushes against a very basic “protection” impulse, that is essentially supposed to be the core duty of elites. Hence immigrationism violates the core of elite “noblesse oblige”–taking care of the common people in your charge–from which elite “moral superiority” is supposed to stem.

    Again, as I have pointed out several times before the progressivism of early-mid 20th century WASP progressives was “Everyone should behave better–behave like us!”. The WASP elite loved the America nation, thought they deserved to be in charge because they were the best of their fellow Americans, and that they should uplift other Americans to be more like them. The Jewish elite think they should be in charge of the American state/marketplace because they are smarter than all those goyishe kopf flyover Americans whom they think are undeserving of America and should be replaced. Very different vibe. Very different concepts of “moral superiority”.

    Immigration indeed has a few different drivers. But it’s ridiculous to claim that immigrationism–as an ideology, much less a core elite ideology implying “moral superiority”–has not been driven by Jewish influence, power and propaganda.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  46. You know it also occurs to me that The Great Replacement wouldn’t be as credible if it didn’t follow the left wing approach to a number of other unpopular things that we were told that they were absolutely against and how dare you suggest otherwise until they happened after which it was obvious that this was supposed to happen and they were the good guys for bringing it about the whole time.

    In my lifetime elected Democrats protested that “marriage is between one man and one woman” while for reasons which were never really clear they worked against a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage in the U.S. in just that way, while substituting DOMA as the booby prize which their activists immediately began working to invalidate. As late as 2008 they were protesting that “God is in the mix,” as popular referenda against gay marriage were successful in places such as California. Then, all at once, they “evolved” in unison just in time for the Court to step in and deliver them the victory that they had until just before protested that they didn’t want. Immediately after, they confessed that they actually worked for this victory, that DOMA was a decoy, and that they really supported gay marriage via subterfuge the whole time and right then it was on to transing kids.

    At this point, they’re the proverbial Lucy with a football setting up for a placekick.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    You know it also occurs to me that The Great Replacement wouldn’t be as credible...
     
    Your use of "credible" and your other evidence of left-wing perfidy makes it sound like you think this is all one big plan, Alec. It may be, but I kind of doubt it. Just as with what I wrote about the eliminating of the White Middle Class, there are simply lots of elites, Commie types, and useful idiots who would LIKE all this to happen. I don't see them as having figured this all out ahead of time.

    Inside, this is what they want, even if they haven't even though about it so much. They support all efforts and don't want to hear complaints from the people being replaced. My take on iSteve's post here and Peter Brimelow's most recent article is what we've all seen. The left has derided anyone who NOTICED that this was going on, and they deny it, except for when they make boo-boos and then now that they figure it's unstoppable.
  47. @AnotherDad
    One of the funny--if this were not so calamitous--things about the Great Replacement is the elite response:

    "Your 'Great Replacement' nonsense is just a far-right, racist conspiracy theory which has been thorough debunked by all scholars and scientists. Just the vile, pathetic rantings of losers who see their power declining as immigration makes America more and more diverse. And soon, we won't have to put up with the likes of you much longer."


    Usually, their stuff is more cleverly crafted. But in the last few years, their atavistic hatreds have really been "out".

    Replies: @Jack D

    The Buffalo supermarket shooting (which BTW had nothing to do with the Great Replacement – ADOS blacks have been here for hundreds of years) is an emotional subject for Leftists since Blacks are their most holy objects of worship. In their state of anguish they tend to lash out and accidentally reveal their hatred and their plans for getting rid of white people which they are usually more careful to mask in calmer times.

    There is this pesky 1st Amendment (and 2nd Amendment) thing that keeps getting in their way but if they were only allowed to get rid of the filibuster and pack the Supreme Court this could be taken care of.

    • Agree: Hypnotoad666
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    The Buffalo supermarket shooting (which BTW had nothing to do with the Great Replacement – ADOS blacks have been here for hundreds of years) is an emotional subject for Leftists since Blacks are their most holy objects of worship. In their state of anguish they tend to lash out and accidentally reveal their hatred and their plans for getting rid of white people which they are usually more careful to mask in calmer times.
     
    I skimmed the 180 page shooter's "manifesto" and one thing that stuck out to me was that this was a mind "on the spectrum." The detail with which he explained the reasons for his choice of weapons and equipment was the sort of thing that makes it obvious. Mixing this with a likely mental illness leading to homicidal ideation arising from the use or cessation of pharmaceuticals, a prolonged period of social isolation and unavailability of mental health services, and the intentionally provocative nature of leftist racial and identity politics over this time was a recipe for disaster. To paraphrase a meme, they told him he was evil and innately violent for being white, male, and not a sexual minority. Is it any wonder that some disturbed son of a bitch believed them?

    My guess is that he was unable to perceive the "signal" of leftists celebrating white replacement as anything but a movie villain twirling his mustache while he reveals his evil-for-evil's sake argument in a monologue to the camera. To be sure they mean to do what they're doing, but a lot of the "signal" is emoting or a display of courtly manners and so forth.

    I found the ADOS angle bizarre and as an inability to perceive the different emotional valences - despite blacks' high rates of antisocial behavior overall most people perceive middle aged and elderly, generally law abiding blacks as not really any kind of problem. They tend to be friendly and gregarious with good humor. Even on the right of the right, they're perceived more as unwitting pawns of other interests who are intentionally stoking bad behavior. I don't see how targeting ADOS helps the shooter's cause. (Shooting up illegal immigrants themselves would perhaps make more logical sense, but even then most people see them as unwitting proxies rather than masterminds of this current predicament and such conduct would similarly be counterproductive).

    Replies: @Goddard, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    The Buffalo supermarket shooting (which BTW had nothing to do with the Great Replacement – ADOS blacks have been here for hundreds of years)
     
    You mean to refer to DOAS (descendants of American slaves) here, not ADOS (American descendants of slaves).
  48. Being voted into an ever dwindling despised White Racial minority within the borders of post-white America means among other things:

    1)Being a despised White Racial minority

    2)the victim of the wrath of Hindu “Americans”

    3)the victim of the wrath of Pakistani Muslim “‘Americans”

    4)‘the victim of the wrath of Chinese “Americans”

    5)being accused of fake hate crimes by nonwhites-nonstop…

    But Tucker Carlson insists that the Native Born White American Working Class not be about race because that would be insane!!…Instead, the White Working Class should be about free markets….and the Constitution…

  49. @Corvinus
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “They want to eliminate the White Middle Class, period“

    Disinformation.

    Now, if we carefully look at American history, the first “great replacement” began in the 1840s and 1850s, when white native Protestants—the “true” Americans—were threatened by the massive importing of Irish and German papists. The second “great replacement” was the period from 1890 to 1920, when hordes of Roman Catholic Eastern and Southern Europeans inundated our shores. They were undesirables, as they would dilute the power and influence of the founding stock. If your ancestors arrived during those two periods, they contributed in part to America’s changing demographics. Do us all a favor—acknowledge their sins, and go back.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @ic1000, @BB753, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad

    Germany and Ireland don’t make it easy for descendants of long-ago emigrants to return. In most cases, it’s functionally impossible. And even if that weren’t true, the same people destroying the US are doing the same to Europe. But you knew that.

    • Thanks: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @AndrewR

    "Germany and Ireland don’t make it easy for descendants of long-ago emigrants to return."

    Yet another anti-white comment on your part. Have you no sense of decency?

  50. @Jack D
    @Anon

    There is no such thing. Aside from the fact that as Israel classifies "Jews" it includes black Africans that aren't really Jewish at all, Israel, like any modern high labor cost country is full of aliens, both legal and illegal - Filipino elder care ladies, Thai farm workers, illegal aliens from Africa doing construction, etc. The imaginary "hypocritical" Israel that exists in your head is nothing like the actual place.

    The #1 driver of the Great Replacement is not the Democrat desire to elect a new people but differences in wage levels between the 3rd world and the 1st world. This difference in wage levels is like two bodies of water at different levels - as long as the levels are different there is going to be pressure to equalize them. You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.

    In any case, you can't really compare Israel, a tiny country that was founded as the world's one and only Jewish state, with a vast multiethnic country like the US that has no such religious mandate.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @AnotherDad, @SunBakedSuburb, @Hypnotoad666, @ginger bread man, @silviosilver

    You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.

    The purpose of a dam is not only to hold water back on one side, but to control its flow and divert the reservoir it creates one one side to productive purposes including irrigation and energy generation buy managed releases of the flow. Dams actually work fairly well and you’ve lost the plot of your analogy if you propose that the water on both sides will inevitably reach the same level so don’t bother building a dam.

    The current affair is not an inevitability but rather a matter of choice. To complete your analogy, our water is at a relatively low volume of 330 million, and there’s a volume of about 4-5 Billion built up on the other side. Probably 85% of the world would which “wants a better lot” would have a better lot simply by appearing on American soil and they know it. Are we just supposed to expect to establish some kind of equilibrium where the U.S. will be so populous and poor enough that people won’t be motivated to come here? That the average American will be not much better off materially than the average Cameroonian or Ecuadoran and this will finally stem the tide of in-migration?

    This is not your most compelling or well thought out argument, Jack.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    It's you who have not thought this out. Even in the absence of artificially constructed dams, differences in water level exist. For example, Lake Superior is 600 feet above sea level and yet it never drains into the ocean. Long before there were dams or humans, it STILL didn't empty itself down to sea level.

    Likewise, even before immigration laws and border walls existed, the entire population of Mexico did not move to the US. There are many reasons for not moving even in the complete absence of legal barriers - family ties, etc. In the US, average wage levels in DC and Massachusetts are almost double those in Mississippi and Arkansas but the entire population of those states does not move until they are equalized. Worldwide wage levels are NEVER going to equalize.

    Now it is fitting and appropriate that we have immigration controls and border walls (although we can argue about what the correct level of controlled immigration should be - in a modern economy you need to have some movement) for the same reason that you have doors on your house but that doesn't change my point that immigration is more of a push phenomenon than something that is being created by Nancy Pelosi. If that push wasn't there then Nancy Pelosi's wishes for a new permanent Democrat majority would be meaningless. And restrictive immigration laws are not some "natural" state of affairs but an artificial creation of human policy. Maybe it is a wise policy but it's not some default state - it has to be the result of a conscious policy (and a constant effort to stem the natural flow).

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @AnotherDad

    , @AnotherDad
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    Are we just supposed to expect to establish some kind of equilibrium where the U.S. will be so populous and poor enough that people won’t be motivated to come here? That the average American will be not much better off materially than the average Cameroonian or Ecuadoran and this will finally stem the tide of in-migration?
     
    Nailed it! You nailed it Alec.

    I keep hammering/yammering away at my same old same old points. But they are obvious and important points.

    The simple and inevitable mathematical logic of immigrationism--"nation of immigrants"--is that the US must become the world's shittiest nation.

    Only when the US is so crowded and diversely incompetent/unpleasant that even the hoodlums in Haiti and Niger and think "No thanks, to shitty for me, i'll pass" will immigration finally--JackD's "naturally"--blissfully stop. Stopping it before then--at anything less than the world's dumpster-- is racism! xenophobia! Nazi stuff.

    Lots of normies think immigrationism must be "smart"--even if they personally think the changes and some of the people are not so great--because all these media "smart" people--the great and the good parrot it.

    This is partly because most people do not "do math" and are not prone to building simple models or making simple "sanity checks" the way mathy/analytical people like me do. And party because normies do not understand that these smart people are smart ... but hostile. These hostile elites do not see Americans' interests as their interests and are quite happy to trash Americans and their posterity's future.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

  51. @Jack D
    @Anon

    There is no such thing. Aside from the fact that as Israel classifies "Jews" it includes black Africans that aren't really Jewish at all, Israel, like any modern high labor cost country is full of aliens, both legal and illegal - Filipino elder care ladies, Thai farm workers, illegal aliens from Africa doing construction, etc. The imaginary "hypocritical" Israel that exists in your head is nothing like the actual place.

    The #1 driver of the Great Replacement is not the Democrat desire to elect a new people but differences in wage levels between the 3rd world and the 1st world. This difference in wage levels is like two bodies of water at different levels - as long as the levels are different there is going to be pressure to equalize them. You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.

    In any case, you can't really compare Israel, a tiny country that was founded as the world's one and only Jewish state, with a vast multiethnic country like the US that has no such religious mandate.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @AnotherDad, @SunBakedSuburb, @Hypnotoad666, @ginger bread man, @silviosilver

    Hey, Steve, could you put some sort of remotely-activatable, virtual shock device on this guy, Jack?

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, Corvinus

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  52. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    The Buffalo supermarket shooting (which BTW had nothing to do with the Great Replacement - ADOS blacks have been here for hundreds of years) is an emotional subject for Leftists since Blacks are their most holy objects of worship. In their state of anguish they tend to lash out and accidentally reveal their hatred and their plans for getting rid of white people which they are usually more careful to mask in calmer times.

    There is this pesky 1st Amendment (and 2nd Amendment) thing that keeps getting in their way but if they were only allowed to get rid of the filibuster and pack the Supreme Court this could be taken care of.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Anonymous

    The Buffalo supermarket shooting (which BTW had nothing to do with the Great Replacement – ADOS blacks have been here for hundreds of years) is an emotional subject for Leftists since Blacks are their most holy objects of worship. In their state of anguish they tend to lash out and accidentally reveal their hatred and their plans for getting rid of white people which they are usually more careful to mask in calmer times.

    I skimmed the 180 page shooter’s “manifesto” and one thing that stuck out to me was that this was a mind “on the spectrum.” The detail with which he explained the reasons for his choice of weapons and equipment was the sort of thing that makes it obvious. Mixing this with a likely mental illness leading to homicidal ideation arising from the use or cessation of pharmaceuticals, a prolonged period of social isolation and unavailability of mental health services, and the intentionally provocative nature of leftist racial and identity politics over this time was a recipe for disaster. To paraphrase a meme, they told him he was evil and innately violent for being white, male, and not a sexual minority. Is it any wonder that some disturbed son of a bitch believed them?

    My guess is that he was unable to perceive the “signal” of leftists celebrating white replacement as anything but a movie villain twirling his mustache while he reveals his evil-for-evil’s sake argument in a monologue to the camera. To be sure they mean to do what they’re doing, but a lot of the “signal” is emoting or a display of courtly manners and so forth.

    I found the ADOS angle bizarre and as an inability to perceive the different emotional valences – despite blacks’ high rates of antisocial behavior overall most people perceive middle aged and elderly, generally law abiding blacks as not really any kind of problem. They tend to be friendly and gregarious with good humor. Even on the right of the right, they’re perceived more as unwitting pawns of other interests who are intentionally stoking bad behavior. I don’t see how targeting ADOS helps the shooter’s cause. (Shooting up illegal immigrants themselves would perhaps make more logical sense, but even then most people see them as unwitting proxies rather than masterminds of this current predicament and such conduct would similarly be counterproductive).

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Goddard
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    They tend to be friendly and gregarious with good humor.
     
    Some of the blacks I interact with are good-natured and funny. Some of them are criminal-age men. Can't help but like 'em. I fear that nutcase killed a few of that kind.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    "... unavailability of mental health services ..."

    To the general public; not to grooming candidates.

    The Buffalo Shooter was 18. He killed ten with a Bushmaster XM-15 semi-auto loaded with .223. He took fire from one of those he killed, a retired cop turned armed private guard, and kept his cool. He's too young to have received law enforcement or military firearms training. Luck or innate skill is an inadequate answer. He received training and motivation from somewhere. His manifesto looks like it was cooked up by security state psychwarfare specialists. Sure, I was particularly dumb at 18. And my peer group dummies were just as dumb. But I realize rare bright bulbs do exist amongst the young and dull. If this kid isn't what I think he is -- a medicalized, mesmerized homicidal robot -- then he is truly a gifted, mentally-ill killer.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

  53. Unless you are actually cheap laboring a business, all this gardener, nanny, restaurants stuff is far, far outweighed by pretty direct costs is housing, schooling, crowding, social dislocation, taxation.

    Maybe for the society as a whole but if you live in an elite bubble you can be insulated from many of the costs. But a big driver of leapfrogging loyalties is not economics but status. Blue collar whites (who in some cases make more \$ than highly educated whites whose liberal arts degree gets them a job at Starbucks) pose a threat to their status.

    You blab on and on about the “Judification of American elite ideology” but how is it possible that the Jews are able to do this? Even among elites and even accounting for their extra special cleverness, how are they able to get the non-Jewish majority to buy in?

    The problem with blaming everything on the Jews is that even if you get rid of the Jews nothing really changes because they aren’t really the root cause of the problem to begin with. Liberal Jews are getting rid of themselves anyway because they either fail to reproduce or the next generation isn’t even Jewish. But S. Asians, etc. are already moving into their ecological niche so the problem isn’t going away even if you got rid of every last Jew.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Charon
    @Jack D


    You blab on and on about the “Judification of American elite ideology” but how is it possible that the Jews are able to do this? Even among elites and even accounting for their extra special cleverness, how are they able to get the non-Jewish majority to buy in?


     

    Early and nearly complete control of the mass media in the USA enabled virtually everything that followed. And you know this as well as I do.

    It was definitely "clever" of them to see how much power they could gain--and then leverage--in this way. But the impulse behind that craving? That's another story, isn't it.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    The problem with blaming everything on the Jews is that even if you get rid of the Jews nothing really changes because they aren’t really the root cause of the problem to begin with.
     
    Jack--

    For the record, I have never blamed the current crisis entirely on the Jews. I have listed--several times--5, 6, or 7 reasons (depending on how you count). And the zeroth order reason is "the nature of white people"--i.e. the psychological openness, empathy, universality of Western Christian peoples. (A strength in building high-trust nations, but a weakness in the present age.) The Japanese for instance who took a particular Japanese, non-Christian approach to building their high trust nation are a much different and apparently tougher nut.

    Two of the bigger reasons:
    1) "Diversity is the health of the state".
    I did not coin "minoritarianism". This rogue ideology is pretty obvious once you open your eyes and other smart people--John Derbyshire--beat me to giving it the obvious label. But I do think I'm the first to come up with "Diversity is the health of the state".

    Managing diversity--a replacement for war--empowers the state. And diverse peoples both a) balkanize the population weakening resistance to the managers and b) provide a vote bank for the state party.

    2) Cheap labor.
    The siren call of cheap labor is a driver. And also just the general idea of the free flow of goods, capital and labor are appealing for the people who are the "winners" with the free flow of goods, capital and labor. And, of course, those people are powerful, influential and can buy lackeys to propagandize.

    But I've got several more.


    What I do claim is that
    -- minoritarianism--majorities oppressive/evil; minorities oppressed/virtuous--is fundamentally a Jewish concocted/propagandize/driven/enforced ideology. (The idea that a smart, verbal, wealthy, influential minority drove minoritarianism is supposed to be shocking or something. Actually the reverse would be bizarre. That minorities push minoritarianism is the height of ordinary self-interest.)

    -- immigrationism as an ideology and moral conceit is a heavily Jewish drive ideology.
    Jews are a minority who have existed for two thousand years middle manning in other people's nations. They like other people's nations being open for their middle manning and they they like the idea that there's someplace to run to when they natives inevitably get pissed at them. So again, that Jews have been the super-pushers of immigration as a moral ideology is hardly surprising.

    -- anti-geneticism
    Not one of my big two, but I would also say Jews have been the big--really the only--drivers of the anti-empirical, anti-genetic ideology ideology pretty much against all the Anglo guys who figured out and mathematically systematized the field. This one is crystal clear on the people--the top ten anti-scientists could form a minyan. But it's less obvious on the driver. Basically it seems to be the desire to generally deny (for white gentiles) the existence of ethno-national interests.


    In sum, I give Jews the primary credit/blame for developing and propagandizing the minoritarian ideological and attitudinal environment we are now in. For the moral inversion, where breaking nations and screwing the ordinary working man is elite "good think".

    Replies: @neutral, @Jack D

    , @Ben tillman
    @Jack D

    Yes, the Jews are the root cause of the problem. The Jewish group has suppressed (or, more accurately, inverted) our immune system, which makes rampant parasitism and destruction by both the native and the foreign-born possible.

  54. @Corvinus
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “They want to eliminate the White Middle Class, period“

    Disinformation.

    Now, if we carefully look at American history, the first “great replacement” began in the 1840s and 1850s, when white native Protestants—the “true” Americans—were threatened by the massive importing of Irish and German papists. The second “great replacement” was the period from 1890 to 1920, when hordes of Roman Catholic Eastern and Southern Europeans inundated our shores. They were undesirables, as they would dilute the power and influence of the founding stock. If your ancestors arrived during those two periods, they contributed in part to America’s changing demographics. Do us all a favor—acknowledge their sins, and go back.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @ic1000, @BB753, @AndrewR, @AnotherDad

    Now, if we carefully look at American history, the first “great replacement” began in the 1840s and 1850s, when white native Protestants—the “true” Americans—were threatened by the massive importing of Irish and German papists. The second “great replacement” was the period from 1890 to 1920, when hordes of Roman Catholic Eastern and Southern Europeans inundated our shores.

    Corny, I’m going to try and help you get smarter.

    When the US should have shut down mass immigration is a completely debatably point.
    — Right after the founding? There is a case for this based on direct genetic interests of the founders. But there was an American empire to grab, and the additions were essentially the very same people.
    — When my Irish ancestors showed up? (Fortunately for me, the founding stock were foolish enough to let us in. Fools!)
    — When the Frontier closed with America already the largest Western nation with the highest GDP and GDP in the world? I’d argue, yes. But industrialization was rolling. Cheap labor!
    — In the 20s? It was obvious and they did.
    — Now. With native Americans choosing sub-replacement fertility and deserving the lifestyle and environmental benefits, but instead with foreigners (many low IQ) rushing in and the population exploding past 300 million, driving down wages, driving up costs, crowding everything, everywhere? It’s not even a serious debate.

    Inductive reasoning is a useful tool. But human affairs do not work like the mathematical induction. Because once upon a time our ancestors had n and managed n+1, does not mean that sitting here at k, we should do k+1.

    Corny I don’t know if some poor benighted woman consented to be your wife. But for the sake of argument. You had a kid? Then another kid? Then another? Why did you stop! What are you some kind of kid hater? If one was good and two better, then you should have three, then four, then five, then six … Stopping anti-peopleism!

    Seriously, if the guys from Zeta Reticuli show up and complain that their planet is too crowded and they just want the same chance to “build a new life” in on this nice little planet that you just happen to live on by dumb luck … you are going to let them in?

    Corny don’t be fooled. Just because a bunch of smart people keep parroting it, does not mean immigrationism makes any sense. Immigrationism is actually an obviously stupid, biologically illogical, innumerate ideology anyone can debunk with 6th grade. The smart people pushing it are not doing it because they are smart, they are doing it because they are evil. They are not your friends.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @AnotherDad

    “Corny, I’m going to try and help you get smarter.”

    Your commentary, compared to mine, doesn’t provide that benefit.

    “When the US should have shut down mass immigration is a completely debatably point.”

    Not to “true Americans” of those time periods I delineated.

    “Right after the founding? There is a case for this based on direct genetic interests of the founders."

    Right, for the English, Welsh, and Scots-Irish. Not the French, German, Irish, Norwegian, and Swedish. Genetic interest at the time represented from the same nation, not continent.

    “But there was an American empire to grab”

    Right, gimmedats and free stuff.

    “and the additions were essentially the very same people.”

    Not according to Madison Grant.

    “When my Irish ancestors showed up? (Fortunately for me, the founding stock were foolish enough to let us in. Fools!)”

    That’s so laughable. If you actually believe it, then leave.

  55. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.
     
    The purpose of a dam is not only to hold water back on one side, but to control its flow and divert the reservoir it creates one one side to productive purposes including irrigation and energy generation buy managed releases of the flow. Dams actually work fairly well and you've lost the plot of your analogy if you propose that the water on both sides will inevitably reach the same level so don't bother building a dam.

    The current affair is not an inevitability but rather a matter of choice. To complete your analogy, our water is at a relatively low volume of 330 million, and there's a volume of about 4-5 Billion built up on the other side. Probably 85% of the world would which "wants a better lot" would have a better lot simply by appearing on American soil and they know it. Are we just supposed to expect to establish some kind of equilibrium where the U.S. will be so populous and poor enough that people won't be motivated to come here? That the average American will be not much better off materially than the average Cameroonian or Ecuadoran and this will finally stem the tide of in-migration?

    This is not your most compelling or well thought out argument, Jack.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    It’s you who have not thought this out. Even in the absence of artificially constructed dams, differences in water level exist. For example, Lake Superior is 600 feet above sea level and yet it never drains into the ocean. Long before there were dams or humans, it STILL didn’t empty itself down to sea level.

    Likewise, even before immigration laws and border walls existed, the entire population of Mexico did not move to the US. There are many reasons for not moving even in the complete absence of legal barriers – family ties, etc. In the US, average wage levels in DC and Massachusetts are almost double those in Mississippi and Arkansas but the entire population of those states does not move until they are equalized. Worldwide wage levels are NEVER going to equalize.

    Now it is fitting and appropriate that we have immigration controls and border walls (although we can argue about what the correct level of controlled immigration should be – in a modern economy you need to have some movement) for the same reason that you have doors on your house but that doesn’t change my point that immigration is more of a push phenomenon than something that is being created by Nancy Pelosi. If that push wasn’t there then Nancy Pelosi’s wishes for a new permanent Democrat majority would be meaningless. And restrictive immigration laws are not some “natural” state of affairs but an artificial creation of human policy. Maybe it is a wise policy but it’s not some default state – it has to be the result of a conscious policy (and a constant effort to stem the natural flow).

    • Troll: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D


    If that push wasn’t there then Nancy Pelosi’s wishes for a new permanent Democrat majority would be meaningless.
     
    That's right. And why can the Republicans not come up with policies that would attract the votes of both new citizens and old?

    Here in Ecuador people often ask me about getting a visa for the US, and wanting to visit the US. Here the basic wage is $2.50 per hour and people hear about minimum wages of $15 in the US, which sounds like paradise to them.

    The next question they usually ask is whether you can get by in the US without speaking English!

    Most of the travel agencies in town advertise trips, but also US visas. If you have a family member in the US and a steady job in Ecuador, you can probably get a visitor visa to see your family member in the US.

    (The US could clamp down on visitor visas if it wanted.)

    So the Ecuadorian decides to go to the US supposedly as a visitor, but also with the intention of staying and working. He is a car repair mechanic, and working illegally for his brother in law while staying free with family, he can save $3000 per month. After a year or 18 months, he will have saved enough money to buy a home or farm, or build a home. And he can get 10% on a CD at an Ecuadorian bank while he saves.

    But he gets a bit addicted to the money and continues longer than originally intended. After all, the worst that can happen is that he gets deported, but meanwhile the $3000 per month continues to accumulate. But then he gets a girl pregnant, and a new US citizen is born. You can see where this is going.

    Meanwhile, while many Ecuadorians are desperate to get out of the country, many Colombians, Peruvians, and Venezuelans are coming to Ecuador to work as domestic cleaners, waiters, and prostitutes, doing the work that Ecuadorians won't do, and enjoying a better life than they would back home.

    And many USians retire to foreign countries all over the globe where the living is easy and hire these illegals, just as if they were at home in the US.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Oh geez.


    (although we can argue about what the correct level of controlled immigration should be – in a modern economy you need to have some movement)
     
    Naked, nonsensical, assertion. There is zero immigration/emmigration to/from planet Earth. Yet the Earth economy has positively boomed.

    There has been very little immigration--trivial in importance--to the most prosperous nations in history. Some--Japan--darn near absolute zero. Most very very little. Some trader people coming to cash in. Most people--post-neolithic--historically just were not that mobile. America--and the like Anglosphere colonies--decidedly the outliers. And their "immigration"--European conquest/settlement--was not what is being advocated today. Great nations have been great because the people in them are on the ball and achieve greatness themselves. And being great and prosperous are more able to stop other people from invading. (They are more likely instead to have a booming population and go invade other people!)

    And restrictive immigration laws are not some “natural” state of affairs but an artificial creation of human policy. Maybe it is a wise policy but it’s not some default state – it has to be the result of a conscious policy (and a constant effort to stem the natural flow).
     
    LOL. Typical Jewish verbal gymnastics/propaganda. You completely reverse what is "natural".

    What is natural is people living in their own communities with their own people, language, religion, traditions--culture. And keeping invaders out--if they are able to.

    Geez, read your own Torah. The Jews didn't get green cards to settle in Israel. They came in and kicked the crap out of the natives. Yeah, some of the natives--trying to survive--offered the traditional "let's swap some brides and co-exist/merge". The Jews killed them off anyway.

    That's what's "natural". And people--wisely!--trying to stop such immigrantion.

    No, it actually requires the super-state to stop Americans from protecting their communities. In the absence of the super-state white (and some others happy to assimilate) Americans would organically build and protect their own communities. Govern themselves. Restore rule-of-law. Keep out troublemakers. Keep out blacks, or at minimum, not allow blacks to run wild with their minoritarian-oppression privilege. Keep out foreigners, keeping their land and their communities for themselves and their prosperity. And this would quickly rebuild into a--only somewhat reduced--America with a border.

    That's what is "natural".

    Replies: @Jack D, @jsm

  56. @Peter Akuleyev
    Democrats promote immigration policies that are in the Democrats’ electoral self-interest.

    Except they don't. Maybe they think that's what they are doing but diluting the black population with Latinos and Asians is a self defeating strategy for the Left over the long term - those groups are naturally socially conservative and eventually come around to the same realization that in the end American politics is blacks vs. everyone else.

    Bringing in more blacks from Africa would make sense from the Democrats point of view, but they have not had resounding success so far. But watch this space.

    Replies: @Charon, @Spud Boy, @Arclight, @guest007, @Alden, @Deadite

    There is nothing social conservative about Latinos. Look up out of wedlock birth rates, divorce rates, school completion rates, etc. There is no issue that shows that latinos are the least bit conservative. Even the Latinos in the Republican Party are to the left of white Republicans.

  57. @Nodwink
    @Anon


    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.
     
    The conspiracy is Capitalism. The Great Replacement is not racial, but economic.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Old Prude

    As if any of these low IQ, uneducated immigrants could code…or even know what that means…

  58. @Spud Boy
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "...but diluting the black population with Latinos and Asians is a self defeating strategy for the Left over the long term..."

    So, any day now we can expect California to flip back to the Republicans?

    In the long term, we're all dead.

    Replies: @guest007

    Whites in places like California benefit from increased Latino immigration pushing blacks out of California. Remember Steve’s obsession about Compton which is not 70% Latino but Compton High School is 80% Latino. One would suspect that the 19% of the students who are black want to get out of Compton as fast as possible.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @guest007

    How does the racial composition of Compton affect any white in the state?

    Spudboy's point still remains even when conceding your factual statement: When Compton was black, California Republicans had a good chance at winning statewide elections on conservative platforms. Now because of the high pace of immigration over several decades, Republicans have no impact on state politics at all.

    Both conservatism and libertarianism are the politics of white Americans. Even most western European nations have dropped those political ideologies. They have almost no salience outside of the U.S. So outsiders to California are not going to help resuscitate them.

    Only Compton has benefitted from increased Hispanic immigration, and Compton's fortunes are relatively unimportant compared to those of the state of California and the nation.

    Replies: @guest007

    , @Anonymous
    @guest007

    And they're sent to destroy Flyover Country.

  59. @Batman
    Hispanics will be fully white in 60 years. They are basically where the Italians were in 1940. That said, Italian Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

    Replies: @guest007, @Hibernian, @Anonymous

    The Italians never benefitted from quotas, affirmative Action, set asides, ethnic groups in college, and blatantly ethnicity/race based professional organizations. Moat Latinos who go to college will probably come out militant progressive Democrats just like blacks do.

    • Replies: @Batman
    @guest007

    My impression is the blacks get militarized in college because of the mismatch. Every single black gets such an overwhelming affirmative action boost that they can't hang in traditional majors, so they all get sorted into the Grievance Studies ghetto. I anecdotally have not observed that with Hispanics and non DOAS blacks.

    Replies: @guest007

    , @Hhsiii
    @guest007

    And the Italian-Americans where I live are not Democrats. I’ve got a retired cop on one side, retired fireman on the other (so on the government dole, but nevertheless), and one of Steve’s auto body shop owners down the street. We got Dont Tread on Me flags on the lawns. Maybe their grandfathers were Dems.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Corn

  60. Yahoo News (sic) appear to be blaming Tucker Carlson for a recent reportable shooting.

    • Replies: @Peterike
    @Gordo

    “ Yahoo News (sic) appear to be blaming Tucker Carlson for a recent reportable shooting.”

    Yea this is trending on Twitter. They have him right where they want him. It won’t surprise me if he’s gone in a week. Fox would love to be rid of him.

  61. @Jack D

    Unless you are actually cheap laboring a business, all this gardener, nanny, restaurants stuff is far, far outweighed by pretty direct costs is housing, schooling, crowding, social dislocation, taxation.
     
    Maybe for the society as a whole but if you live in an elite bubble you can be insulated from many of the costs. But a big driver of leapfrogging loyalties is not economics but status. Blue collar whites (who in some cases make more $ than highly educated whites whose liberal arts degree gets them a job at Starbucks) pose a threat to their status.

    You blab on and on about the "Judification of American elite ideology" but how is it possible that the Jews are able to do this? Even among elites and even accounting for their extra special cleverness, how are they able to get the non-Jewish majority to buy in?

    The problem with blaming everything on the Jews is that even if you get rid of the Jews nothing really changes because they aren't really the root cause of the problem to begin with. Liberal Jews are getting rid of themselves anyway because they either fail to reproduce or the next generation isn't even Jewish. But S. Asians, etc. are already moving into their ecological niche so the problem isn't going away even if you got rid of every last Jew.

    Replies: @Charon, @AnotherDad, @Ben tillman

    You blab on and on about the “Judification of American elite ideology” but how is it possible that the Jews are able to do this? Even among elites and even accounting for their extra special cleverness, how are they able to get the non-Jewish majority to buy in?

    Early and nearly complete control of the mass media in the USA enabled virtually everything that followed. And you know this as well as I do.

    It was definitely “clever” of them to see how much power they could gain–and then leverage–in this way. But the impulse behind that craving? That’s another story, isn’t it.

    • Agree: Moses
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Charon


    It was definitely “clever” of them to see how much power they could gain–and then leverage–in this way. But the impulse behind that craving? That’s another story, isn’t it.
     
    What was the impulse?

    Replies: @Moses

  62. @HammerJack
    Late-breaking WWH update! Women and POCs are demanding the right to work from home forever.

    This woman says that a female colleague complimented her on her hair when she was wearing it one way, leading her to the natural conclusion that the remark was actually a veiled insult regarding the way she wore it another day.

    https://i.ibb.co/T4KWWxH/Screenshot-20220517-072232-Firefox.jpg

    It ain't your father's Wall Street Journal anymore

    https://archive.ph/cVUw1

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Hypnotoad666, @Harry Baldwin, @AceDeuce, @Moses

    It ain’t your father’s Wall Street Journal anymore

    I subscribed briefly thinking it was the last conservative newspaper. The “news” side however was a woke dumpster fire. On the bright side the comments were always smarter than the article. And the editorial side was A+ for lack of wokeness.

    They would double their revenue if they’d dump their woketard news writers. Or just offer the editorial side as a separate subscription.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666


    They would double their revenue if they’d dump their woketard news writers.
     
    First of all, probably not true about the revenue.

    2nd, even if it was, the WSJ draws from the same pool of young woke reporters as the NYT and the Washington Post (there is a lot of switching between the papers). And in the digital operations, etc. an even more leftist group. There is not some reservoir of young qualified right wing reporters that they could draw upon even if they wanted to.

    Replies: @Allain, @Hypnotoad666

  63. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    It's you who have not thought this out. Even in the absence of artificially constructed dams, differences in water level exist. For example, Lake Superior is 600 feet above sea level and yet it never drains into the ocean. Long before there were dams or humans, it STILL didn't empty itself down to sea level.

    Likewise, even before immigration laws and border walls existed, the entire population of Mexico did not move to the US. There are many reasons for not moving even in the complete absence of legal barriers - family ties, etc. In the US, average wage levels in DC and Massachusetts are almost double those in Mississippi and Arkansas but the entire population of those states does not move until they are equalized. Worldwide wage levels are NEVER going to equalize.

    Now it is fitting and appropriate that we have immigration controls and border walls (although we can argue about what the correct level of controlled immigration should be - in a modern economy you need to have some movement) for the same reason that you have doors on your house but that doesn't change my point that immigration is more of a push phenomenon than something that is being created by Nancy Pelosi. If that push wasn't there then Nancy Pelosi's wishes for a new permanent Democrat majority would be meaningless. And restrictive immigration laws are not some "natural" state of affairs but an artificial creation of human policy. Maybe it is a wise policy but it's not some default state - it has to be the result of a conscious policy (and a constant effort to stem the natural flow).

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @AnotherDad

    If that push wasn’t there then Nancy Pelosi’s wishes for a new permanent Democrat majority would be meaningless.

    That’s right. And why can the Republicans not come up with policies that would attract the votes of both new citizens and old?

    Here in Ecuador people often ask me about getting a visa for the US, and wanting to visit the US. Here the basic wage is \$2.50 per hour and people hear about minimum wages of \$15 in the US, which sounds like paradise to them.

    The next question they usually ask is whether you can get by in the US without speaking English!

    Most of the travel agencies in town advertise trips, but also US visas. If you have a family member in the US and a steady job in Ecuador, you can probably get a visitor visa to see your family member in the US.

    (The US could clamp down on visitor visas if it wanted.)

    So the Ecuadorian decides to go to the US supposedly as a visitor, but also with the intention of staying and working. He is a car repair mechanic, and working illegally for his brother in law while staying free with family, he can save \$3000 per month. After a year or 18 months, he will have saved enough money to buy a home or farm, or build a home. And he can get 10% on a CD at an Ecuadorian bank while he saves.

    But he gets a bit addicted to the money and continues longer than originally intended. After all, the worst that can happen is that he gets deported, but meanwhile the \$3000 per month continues to accumulate. But then he gets a girl pregnant, and a new US citizen is born. You can see where this is going.

    Meanwhile, while many Ecuadorians are desperate to get out of the country, many Colombians, Peruvians, and Venezuelans are coming to Ecuador to work as domestic cleaners, waiters, and prostitutes, doing the work that Ecuadorians won’t do, and enjoying a better life than they would back home.

    And many USians retire to foreign countries all over the globe where the living is easy and hire these illegals, just as if they were at home in the US.

  64. @Jack D
    @Anon

    There is no such thing. Aside from the fact that as Israel classifies "Jews" it includes black Africans that aren't really Jewish at all, Israel, like any modern high labor cost country is full of aliens, both legal and illegal - Filipino elder care ladies, Thai farm workers, illegal aliens from Africa doing construction, etc. The imaginary "hypocritical" Israel that exists in your head is nothing like the actual place.

    The #1 driver of the Great Replacement is not the Democrat desire to elect a new people but differences in wage levels between the 3rd world and the 1st world. This difference in wage levels is like two bodies of water at different levels - as long as the levels are different there is going to be pressure to equalize them. You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.

    In any case, you can't really compare Israel, a tiny country that was founded as the world's one and only Jewish state, with a vast multiethnic country like the US that has no such religious mandate.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @AnotherDad, @SunBakedSuburb, @Hypnotoad666, @ginger bread man, @silviosilver

    Geez Jack, c’mon.

    1) Israel.
    Seriously? I’m not someone jazzed about Israel either way. It is interesting to me, pretty much only in that its Jews do pretty much the direct opposite of what Jews advocate here. They run an explicit ethno-nationalist immigration policy to add Jewish numbers to counter the non-Jewish natives. And almost uniquely among developed nations have taken on the Enoch Powell challenge of thinking seriously about the future and ramping up Jewish fertility.

    Being shamed/bullied by American Jews preaching minoritarianism into taking 20K Ethiopean kinda-sorta-Jews and having some cheap-labor guest workers does not alter that.

    2) Great Replacement.

    The #1 driver of the Great Replacement is not the Democrat desire to elect a new people but differences in wage levels between the 3rd world and the 1st world.

    This is only true in terms of the “source” side. Yes, that’s the source right now.

    But there’s nothing new about having a “source”. There is always a “source” ready to invade your land. Traditionally–and in the early settlement of America–that was for land. People just want your territory, the do not necessarily–usually don’t–want the natives. Since the closing of the frontier, that’s no longer relevant even in America. Immigrants instead want to come to America (or Europe) because the natives–i.e. my ancestors–simply built a better more prosperous nation(s) than the immigrants did in wherever the hell they were from. And they want to grab a piece of it.

    The “Great Replacement” is only trivially about “source”–which is always present. It is about why that source is being allowed in. (Same source applies to Japan and it is not–yet–being flooded.)

    And all the more so, because of the very thing you note: you have less capable, less prosperous peoples trying to get in. Maybe in the old days if they were good horsemen they could ride into a more prosperous territory anyway. But in today’s industrial technological age, that lesser capability/prosperity means they have zero chance of getting in, unless they are being let in.

    3) Nationalism for me and not for thee.

    In any case, you can’t really compare Israel, a tiny country that was founded as the world’s one and only Jewish state, with a vast multiethnic country like the US that has no such religious mandate.

    Finally some “honesty”–or at least an honest statement of the Jewish attitude. Israel belongs to the Jews. (Hey we conquered it way back eons ago in 1948!) America does not belong to the Americans who actually settled it centuries ago–while Jews were still honking around in shtetl’s in the Pale. No America must be a mult-culti marketplace where Jews can be comfortable middle-manning–not bothered by those tedious natives thinking they have rights and are entitled to govern themselves.

  65. @Jack D
    @Anon

    There is no such thing. Aside from the fact that as Israel classifies "Jews" it includes black Africans that aren't really Jewish at all, Israel, like any modern high labor cost country is full of aliens, both legal and illegal - Filipino elder care ladies, Thai farm workers, illegal aliens from Africa doing construction, etc. The imaginary "hypocritical" Israel that exists in your head is nothing like the actual place.

    The #1 driver of the Great Replacement is not the Democrat desire to elect a new people but differences in wage levels between the 3rd world and the 1st world. This difference in wage levels is like two bodies of water at different levels - as long as the levels are different there is going to be pressure to equalize them. You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.

    In any case, you can't really compare Israel, a tiny country that was founded as the world's one and only Jewish state, with a vast multiethnic country like the US that has no such religious mandate.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @AnotherDad, @SunBakedSuburb, @Hypnotoad666, @ginger bread man, @silviosilver

    As your comment began to glaze my eyes I noticed an image to the right of your box wherein Steve is taking a half-knee on one of his yuppie hiking trails. It appears that Steve is wearing black spandex yoga shorts. The baleful influence of that dog is really shaking up things around here.

  66. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    The Buffalo supermarket shooting (which BTW had nothing to do with the Great Replacement - ADOS blacks have been here for hundreds of years) is an emotional subject for Leftists since Blacks are their most holy objects of worship. In their state of anguish they tend to lash out and accidentally reveal their hatred and their plans for getting rid of white people which they are usually more careful to mask in calmer times.

    There is this pesky 1st Amendment (and 2nd Amendment) thing that keeps getting in their way but if they were only allowed to get rid of the filibuster and pack the Supreme Court this could be taken care of.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Anonymous

    The Buffalo supermarket shooting (which BTW had nothing to do with the Great Replacement – ADOS blacks have been here for hundreds of years)

    You mean to refer to DOAS (descendants of American slaves) here, not ADOS (American descendants of slaves).

  67. @Mark G.
    White liberal Democrats don't really believe these poor nonwhite immigrants will vote for them. I think there are deeper psychological reasons why Democrats support mass immigration of poor third world people rather than using some sort of selection criteria in picking which individuals get in and which don't. James Burnham wrote a book a half century ago called Suicide of the West where he said liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide. This explains why white liberal politicians support letting nonwhite immigrants in who will throw them out of power and replace them with members of their ethnic group.

    The fact that so many people in the U.S. have this suicide wish is a form of civilizational collapse. This isn't just on the left. Some of the Alt-Right Neo-Nazi types here are just a variation of this. They replace collectivism based on class with collectivism based on race. All forms of collectivism lead in a totalitarian direction. Hitler is not really better than Stalin. Both forms of collectivism rise in times of civilizational decay and collapse. Nineteen thirties Germany had both lots of Nazis and lots of Communists. What it didn't have were lots of believers in freedom and individual rights, which was the predominant belief here in America before we started our decline.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon

    I agree with your comment. Mark, but I’d like to add a little bit to that last part from my reading of the early years of the 3rd Reich. Germany didn’t have, and in fact, no country in the world had, a government that (at the time) was more limited in powers with citizens who understood freedom and individual rights, as America. However, Germany was still a civilized place with rule of law.

    The Nazi Party gained lots of supporters due to their efforts to fight the Communists. (Germany could have easily gone the way of Russia a decade earlier.) The problem was, due to the unrelenting violent nature of the Commies, and some of the same Anarcho-Tyranny we see with the antifa here, the Nazis found that the only way to defeat them was to get full-on violent themselves. The violence and then absolute authority stuck with them.

    We can only hope it doesn’t go that way here. Americans have been pretty damn tolerant so far.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  68. @Nodwink
    @Anon


    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.
     
    The conspiracy is Capitalism. The Great Replacement is not racial, but economic.

    Replies: @pyrrhus, @Old Prude

    The owners of capital love immigration: More demand. More demand for housing, for phones, for cars, for food. More, more, more. Every Fortune 500 MBA knows the only path up the greasy ladder is to increase sales. More, more, more.

    Americans, real Americans, not paper Americans, don’t want More. They have enough. And they aren’t having children. That doesn’t help the MBA, the business owners and the corporations, so they crowd in more people to increase demand and consumption.

    That More destroys the livability of the nation for the middle class? Sucks to be you.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Old Prude

    Outstanding comment that needs more attention in alternative political circles. Why should the elite get unlimited demand for their products in exchange for the welfare of everyone else?

  69. @G. Tart
    As a middle-age white male I am fully in support of “The Great Replacement” if that’s what natural selection and evolution is called these days (nature is conspiring against us!).

    I do so for two main reasons.

    Firstly, I love diversity and non-white women since I was a child in an all-white elementary school in middle America in the 1970’s and a brown-skinned girl from Latin America joined my 3rd-grade class. 😍😍😍.

    Later I married an immigrant. 👩🏾‍❤️‍👨🏼 Bliss ever since!

    Secondly, in just the 25 years when you see the destruction around the globe caused by this empire it now seems the only way to put an end to this monster seeking enemies abroad is to marginalize and eliminate its faithful contract killer— the white male. The more the white male (and to a lesser extent the white female) is marginalized in society, military, and government the better off the world will be.

    I work in a government-related job were I can facilitate— albeit in a relatively minor way— a more diverse country through immigration from non-white and/or non-Christian countries and promote the hiring of minorities and immigrants in government/military. And you can bet your ass that I do so at any and every chance I get. Not because I’m woke, PC, or virtue-signaling but because I view it as perhaps the only way to make America more beautiful while also neutralizing the monster who is so ready to murder abroad.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Achmed E. Newman, @jamie b.

    The goal of unfettered immigration is not to achieve a state where “all are brown.”

    The goal is to squeeze out of existence the less than elite but still with agency population. The result will be a two-tiered population: an ultra-elite of masters-of-the-universe in control and a sub-elite who can be manipulated (eliminated when the masters decide to remember that the earth is overpopulated with humans).

    I guess if you’re confident that your progeny will absolutely be included with the elite you have no great motivation to be concerned about the malicious use of immigration.

  70. @G. Tart
    As a middle-age white male I am fully in support of “The Great Replacement” if that’s what natural selection and evolution is called these days (nature is conspiring against us!).

    I do so for two main reasons.

    Firstly, I love diversity and non-white women since I was a child in an all-white elementary school in middle America in the 1970’s and a brown-skinned girl from Latin America joined my 3rd-grade class. 😍😍😍.

    Later I married an immigrant. 👩🏾‍❤️‍👨🏼 Bliss ever since!

    Secondly, in just the 25 years when you see the destruction around the globe caused by this empire it now seems the only way to put an end to this monster seeking enemies abroad is to marginalize and eliminate its faithful contract killer— the white male. The more the white male (and to a lesser extent the white female) is marginalized in society, military, and government the better off the world will be.

    I work in a government-related job were I can facilitate— albeit in a relatively minor way— a more diverse country through immigration from non-white and/or non-Christian countries and promote the hiring of minorities and immigrants in government/military. And you can bet your ass that I do so at any and every chance I get. Not because I’m woke, PC, or virtue-signaling but because I view it as perhaps the only way to make America more beautiful while also neutralizing the monster who is so ready to murder abroad.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Achmed E. Newman, @jamie b.

    Hey, your comment is not original. I’ve read the same thing on here a week or two ago. The personal love story was not there, but I recognized the stupidity from your 5th paragraph on.

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  71. @Jack D
    @Anon

    There is no such thing. Aside from the fact that as Israel classifies "Jews" it includes black Africans that aren't really Jewish at all, Israel, like any modern high labor cost country is full of aliens, both legal and illegal - Filipino elder care ladies, Thai farm workers, illegal aliens from Africa doing construction, etc. The imaginary "hypocritical" Israel that exists in your head is nothing like the actual place.

    The #1 driver of the Great Replacement is not the Democrat desire to elect a new people but differences in wage levels between the 3rd world and the 1st world. This difference in wage levels is like two bodies of water at different levels - as long as the levels are different there is going to be pressure to equalize them. You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.

    In any case, you can't really compare Israel, a tiny country that was founded as the world's one and only Jewish state, with a vast multiethnic country like the US that has no such religious mandate.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @AnotherDad, @SunBakedSuburb, @Hypnotoad666, @ginger bread man, @silviosilver

    The imaginary “hypocritical” Israel that exists in your head is nothing like the actual place.

    Israel is not hypocritical. American dual citizens who want open borders for the U.S. are. And unlike Israel we have birthright citizenship. So profiting short term from foreign labor comes with long term costs for us that make it a sucker deal.

    The Cheap Labor caucus is bad enough. But at this point the policymakers on the left who keep the floodgates open (contrary to law) are motivated by straight up racial animus and by their desire that no place be majority white. Take them at their word. They write it and say it freely.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  72. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    Mass immigration would be challenging enough in a modern nation which is not full of undeveloped agricultural land in need of homesteading or in the process of industrialization and urbanization. Moreso after the establishment of a welfare state. In broad terms, these are substantive differences between prior periods of in-migration to the U.S. and what we have now - the country is no longer reasonably in need of people to establish agricultural operations, work in factories, or populate its cities. This alone would be reason enough to reevaluate the nation's immigration law and policy, and at the very least strictly enforce existing immigration law. Immigration must always be measured against its deleterious effect upon social cohesion and its potential to erode a civic culture.

    But whether created by immigration itself, contributing factors to an intolerable situation include a constellation of beliefs, attitudes, and sub rosa policies propagated by the ruling class:

    1) The current legal immigration policy was secured by mistake at best, or downright fraud when Americans were assured at the time of passage that it would not alter the demographic balance of the United States. The results of a law or policy, when understood from empirical measures, must be presumed to be the purpose and intention of the policies. Hart-Celler has absolutely upended the demographic balance of the United States. Its continuance as a policy must be interpreted therefore as its purpose and intention. It's a policy like any other - like taxes, clean water regulations, or the speed limit - it is not an act of God unaffected by the government that oversees it.

    2) Illegal immigration is de facto legal. Removal efforts are frustrated at every turn by a web of legal activists inside and outside of government. Democratic party dominated States and municipalities actively interfere with the enforcement of Federal Law, recruit illegals with sanctuary State/City status, and confer upon illegals the practical benefits of U.S. citizenship in the form of identification documents, government benefits and services, etc. Due to insane policies such as the census counting all persons and not distinguishing between citizens and non-citizens in apportionment, illegals became a source of electoral power and clients for an increased receipt of Federal appropriations thereby funding the left's administrative state and government worker unions. The presence of illegals in the United States is used as leverage to expand and liberalize legal immigration against the wishes of the electorate.

    3) "Diversity is our strength," which means immigrants and people of color must struggle against assimilation into American culture and always stand apart from it. The most abrasive behavior by immigrants and their issue is actively encouraged. Institutions are compelled to discriminate in favor of everybody but whites, which is of course a crude ruse to obscure discrimination against whites. Recent immigrants and their children are immediately eligible for preferences in educational admissions, government backed loans, etc. over native born whites.

    4) The 1960s Civil Rights revolution has swallowed the U.S. Constitution and rights are group/identity based now. Everyone but whites have been encouraged to make their non-white race and/or ethnicity the center of their identities and to perceive politics as a matter of the personal integrity of this identity. Group esteem becomes a function of numbers because numbers confer political power, and the most direct way to increase group esteem is to import more of one's group.

    5) Whiteness is both a non-existent social construct and the root of all social ills. Whites do not exist, except as culprits and villains. Whites inherit guilt from all predecessor whites, regardless of relative social class, and owe debts to all non-whites regardless of the latters' origins. A Brahmin immigrant is oppressed by - and relative to - an unshod Scots-Irish Appalachian. Vocal abuse of lower status whites and "whiteness" is a marker of status and sport of the ruling class - its acceptance and repetition is considered a requisite for entry into elite institutions and social circles. It is not considered a breach of decorum to viciously criticize whites and whiteness unbidden in most situations in American life and when it is done in the news media it is considered self-evident and uncontroversial. Although clearly reified as a negative identity by the ruling classes and their institutions - while at the same time rights are group and identity based - whites are not permitted to have common interests even if in defense.

    6) The Democratic party elected to eschew elements of its traditional base in the form of the white working class in favor of an emergent urban high-low coalition predicted by think-tankers like Judas and Teixeira and Richard Florida at about the same time that it came to be fully fused with formerly neutral institutions such as the academy and news and entertainment media. It has no electoral or moral incentive to address the diminished life prospects of these members of its former base - they are a problem to be solved, rather than people to be served. Leftists and Democrats vociferously celebrate the dispossession and increasing irrelevance of whites in both victory and defeat. They joke about whites fearing being a minority with quips like "what, do they treat minorities poorly or something?" (This is likely much more provocative to a would-be mass shooter than Tucker Carlson noticing that these people celebrate whites' dispossession and increasing irrelevance).

    7) Internal wage arbitrage is central to the pyramid of economic growth. People who profit from the purchase of labor in bulk in both the skilled and unskilled markets prefer to suppress wages by the use of coolie labor within the United States. You will lose your job as a framing contractor's laborer to illegal Salvadorans who will work for a fraction of what would otherwise be the market wage, while your son will have acquired educational debt but will be outcompeted for a programming job by an H1B from Bangladesh who will work longer for less and has no such educational debt. You and your son will both be insulted as too lazy to "do jobs that Americans won't do."

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Goddard, @Luke Lea

    What a summary. Pure gold.

  73. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    The Buffalo supermarket shooting (which BTW had nothing to do with the Great Replacement – ADOS blacks have been here for hundreds of years) is an emotional subject for Leftists since Blacks are their most holy objects of worship. In their state of anguish they tend to lash out and accidentally reveal their hatred and their plans for getting rid of white people which they are usually more careful to mask in calmer times.
     
    I skimmed the 180 page shooter's "manifesto" and one thing that stuck out to me was that this was a mind "on the spectrum." The detail with which he explained the reasons for his choice of weapons and equipment was the sort of thing that makes it obvious. Mixing this with a likely mental illness leading to homicidal ideation arising from the use or cessation of pharmaceuticals, a prolonged period of social isolation and unavailability of mental health services, and the intentionally provocative nature of leftist racial and identity politics over this time was a recipe for disaster. To paraphrase a meme, they told him he was evil and innately violent for being white, male, and not a sexual minority. Is it any wonder that some disturbed son of a bitch believed them?

    My guess is that he was unable to perceive the "signal" of leftists celebrating white replacement as anything but a movie villain twirling his mustache while he reveals his evil-for-evil's sake argument in a monologue to the camera. To be sure they mean to do what they're doing, but a lot of the "signal" is emoting or a display of courtly manners and so forth.

    I found the ADOS angle bizarre and as an inability to perceive the different emotional valences - despite blacks' high rates of antisocial behavior overall most people perceive middle aged and elderly, generally law abiding blacks as not really any kind of problem. They tend to be friendly and gregarious with good humor. Even on the right of the right, they're perceived more as unwitting pawns of other interests who are intentionally stoking bad behavior. I don't see how targeting ADOS helps the shooter's cause. (Shooting up illegal immigrants themselves would perhaps make more logical sense, but even then most people see them as unwitting proxies rather than masterminds of this current predicament and such conduct would similarly be counterproductive).

    Replies: @Goddard, @SunBakedSuburb

    They tend to be friendly and gregarious with good humor.

    Some of the blacks I interact with are good-natured and funny. Some of them are criminal-age men. Can’t help but like ’em. I fear that nutcase killed a few of that kind.

  74. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    The Buffalo supermarket shooting (which BTW had nothing to do with the Great Replacement – ADOS blacks have been here for hundreds of years) is an emotional subject for Leftists since Blacks are their most holy objects of worship. In their state of anguish they tend to lash out and accidentally reveal their hatred and their plans for getting rid of white people which they are usually more careful to mask in calmer times.
     
    I skimmed the 180 page shooter's "manifesto" and one thing that stuck out to me was that this was a mind "on the spectrum." The detail with which he explained the reasons for his choice of weapons and equipment was the sort of thing that makes it obvious. Mixing this with a likely mental illness leading to homicidal ideation arising from the use or cessation of pharmaceuticals, a prolonged period of social isolation and unavailability of mental health services, and the intentionally provocative nature of leftist racial and identity politics over this time was a recipe for disaster. To paraphrase a meme, they told him he was evil and innately violent for being white, male, and not a sexual minority. Is it any wonder that some disturbed son of a bitch believed them?

    My guess is that he was unable to perceive the "signal" of leftists celebrating white replacement as anything but a movie villain twirling his mustache while he reveals his evil-for-evil's sake argument in a monologue to the camera. To be sure they mean to do what they're doing, but a lot of the "signal" is emoting or a display of courtly manners and so forth.

    I found the ADOS angle bizarre and as an inability to perceive the different emotional valences - despite blacks' high rates of antisocial behavior overall most people perceive middle aged and elderly, generally law abiding blacks as not really any kind of problem. They tend to be friendly and gregarious with good humor. Even on the right of the right, they're perceived more as unwitting pawns of other interests who are intentionally stoking bad behavior. I don't see how targeting ADOS helps the shooter's cause. (Shooting up illegal immigrants themselves would perhaps make more logical sense, but even then most people see them as unwitting proxies rather than masterminds of this current predicament and such conduct would similarly be counterproductive).

    Replies: @Goddard, @SunBakedSuburb

    “… unavailability of mental health services …”

    To the general public; not to grooming candidates.

    The Buffalo Shooter was 18. He killed ten with a Bushmaster XM-15 semi-auto loaded with .223. He took fire from one of those he killed, a retired cop turned armed private guard, and kept his cool. He’s too young to have received law enforcement or military firearms training. Luck or innate skill is an inadequate answer. He received training and motivation from somewhere. His manifesto looks like it was cooked up by security state psychwarfare specialists. Sure, I was particularly dumb at 18. And my peer group dummies were just as dumb. But I realize rare bright bulbs do exist amongst the young and dull. If this kid isn’t what I think he is — a medicalized, mesmerized homicidal robot — then he is truly a gifted, mentally-ill killer.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @SunBakedSuburb


    He’s too young to have received law enforcement or military firearms training. Luck or innate skill is an inadequate answer. He received training and motivation from somewhere.
     
    Video games.
  75. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mark G.
    White liberal Democrats don't really believe these poor nonwhite immigrants will vote for them. I think there are deeper psychological reasons why Democrats support mass immigration of poor third world people rather than using some sort of selection criteria in picking which individuals get in and which don't. James Burnham wrote a book a half century ago called Suicide of the West where he said liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide. This explains why white liberal politicians support letting nonwhite immigrants in who will throw them out of power and replace them with members of their ethnic group.

    The fact that so many people in the U.S. have this suicide wish is a form of civilizational collapse. This isn't just on the left. Some of the Alt-Right Neo-Nazi types here are just a variation of this. They replace collectivism based on class with collectivism based on race. All forms of collectivism lead in a totalitarian direction. Hitler is not really better than Stalin. Both forms of collectivism rise in times of civilizational decay and collapse. Nineteen thirties Germany had both lots of Nazis and lots of Communists. What it didn't have were lots of believers in freedom and individual rights, which was the predominant belief here in America before we started our decline.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Anon

    Libertarianism has such binary thinking.

    You know who else believed in collectivism? The Founders. That’s why the Constitution has the phrase “promote the common good” and as Steve likes to note, “ourselves and our posterity.”

    They also limited immigration to “free whites,” which I guess makes them “ Alt-Right Neo-Nazi types.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Anon


    You know who else believed in collectivism? The Founders. That’s why the Constitution has the phrase “promote the common good” and as Steve likes to note, “ourselves and our posterity.”

     

    If you interpret "common good" to mean the federal government should be able to do anything to promote that common good, then the Founders wouldn't have even had a Constitution. The purpose of the Constitution was to restrict what the federal government could do. It could only do what was listed. Everything else was left to the states and the people, as the tenth amendment clearly states. So it was not a document promoting collectivism. The Founders understood that governments throughout history had been tyrannical and had violated the freedom and individual rights of its subjects and were trying to prevent the U.S. from heading in that direction.

    They were not successful due to collectivist individuals such as yourself misinterpreting the Constitution and the purpose of it. Federal government spending averaged 3% of GDP between 1790 and 1914. Spending increased steadily after that until we now have a thirty trillion dollar national debt and high inflation from money printing to pay for that increased government spending. We didn't get into the shape we are in because we had too little collectivism and too much freedom and individual rights in this country. We got into our current situation and decline because of the spread of collectivist philosophies in recent years, both of the right and the left. What you call "binary thinking" I call distinguishing good from evil, something collectivists don't want done since they don't like a light being shown on their true nature.
  76. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    You know it also occurs to me that The Great Replacement wouldn't be as credible if it didn't follow the left wing approach to a number of other unpopular things that we were told that they were absolutely against and how dare you suggest otherwise until they happened after which it was obvious that this was supposed to happen and they were the good guys for bringing it about the whole time.

    In my lifetime elected Democrats protested that "marriage is between one man and one woman" while for reasons which were never really clear they worked against a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage in the U.S. in just that way, while substituting DOMA as the booby prize which their activists immediately began working to invalidate. As late as 2008 they were protesting that "God is in the mix," as popular referenda against gay marriage were successful in places such as California. Then, all at once, they "evolved" in unison just in time for the Court to step in and deliver them the victory that they had until just before protested that they didn't want. Immediately after, they confessed that they actually worked for this victory, that DOMA was a decoy, and that they really supported gay marriage via subterfuge the whole time and right then it was on to transing kids.

    At this point, they're the proverbial Lucy with a football setting up for a placekick.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    You know it also occurs to me that The Great Replacement wouldn’t be as credible…

    Your use of “credible” and your other evidence of left-wing perfidy makes it sound like you think this is all one big plan, Alec. It may be, but I kind of doubt it. Just as with what I wrote about the eliminating of the White Middle Class, there are simply lots of elites, Commie types, and useful idiots who would LIKE all this to happen. I don’t see them as having figured this all out ahead of time.

    Inside, this is what they want, even if they haven’t even though about it so much. They support all efforts and don’t want to hear complaints from the people being replaced. My take on iSteve’s post here and Peter Brimelow’s most recent article is what we’ve all seen. The left has derided anyone who NOTICED that this was going on, and they deny it, except for when they make boo-boos and then now that they figure it’s unstoppable.

  77. @Hypnotoad666
    @HammerJack


    It ain’t your father’s Wall Street Journal anymore
     
    I subscribed briefly thinking it was the last conservative newspaper. The "news" side however was a woke dumpster fire. On the bright side the comments were always smarter than the article. And the editorial side was A+ for lack of wokeness.

    They would double their revenue if they'd dump their woketard news writers. Or just offer the editorial side as a separate subscription.

    Replies: @Jack D

    They would double their revenue if they’d dump their woketard news writers.

    First of all, probably not true about the revenue.

    2nd, even if it was, the WSJ draws from the same pool of young woke reporters as the NYT and the Washington Post (there is a lot of switching between the papers). And in the digital operations, etc. an even more leftist group. There is not some reservoir of young qualified right wing reporters that they could draw upon even if they wanted to.

    • Replies: @Allain
    @Jack D

    Nothing new. I remember flying from D.C. to Chicago in the 90's, sitting alongside a WSJ guy. Not sure what his job was, but even back then I kidded him, asking if the news side and the editorial side ever spoke to each other. He definitely noticed I was reading a National Review.
    As an aside, we had a really rough flight, especially the "final approach", which was starting to literally feel like it. The WSJ guy turned absolutely white. Mind you, I wasn't too happy either. I swear it felt like the plane was yawing from side to side so much it was going to auger in. Obviously, we didn't. Still, I got my rental car and turned the radio on to hear that O'Hare had been closed due to high winds. Guess we were one of the last planes to land before the closure.

    Replies: @Escher

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    There is not some reservoir of young qualified right wing reporters that they could draw upon even if they wanted to.
     
    IMHO, the idea that someone has to be specially "qualified" to compile and summarizing data is a fallacy. Any diligent and intelligent person can do it. This is demonstrated every day by the legion of "amateur" bloggers who do a vastly better job of compiling and analyzing facts than the hack MSM "journalists" whose only specialized skill is narrative management.

    Also IMHO, it is not a good business model to deliberately provide a service that your customers don't want. WSJ subscribers don't want woke propaganda. They subscribe for the financial coverage and editorials. Maybe 20% of Americans are wokesters. Whereas 90% of journalism is woke. Simple math says media companies are leaving huge amounts of money on the table in order to indulge the individual prejudices of their reporters.

    If his Twitter deal works out, maybe Elon can start a company whose business model is to acquire and de-wokeify media properties.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  78. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    It's you who have not thought this out. Even in the absence of artificially constructed dams, differences in water level exist. For example, Lake Superior is 600 feet above sea level and yet it never drains into the ocean. Long before there were dams or humans, it STILL didn't empty itself down to sea level.

    Likewise, even before immigration laws and border walls existed, the entire population of Mexico did not move to the US. There are many reasons for not moving even in the complete absence of legal barriers - family ties, etc. In the US, average wage levels in DC and Massachusetts are almost double those in Mississippi and Arkansas but the entire population of those states does not move until they are equalized. Worldwide wage levels are NEVER going to equalize.

    Now it is fitting and appropriate that we have immigration controls and border walls (although we can argue about what the correct level of controlled immigration should be - in a modern economy you need to have some movement) for the same reason that you have doors on your house but that doesn't change my point that immigration is more of a push phenomenon than something that is being created by Nancy Pelosi. If that push wasn't there then Nancy Pelosi's wishes for a new permanent Democrat majority would be meaningless. And restrictive immigration laws are not some "natural" state of affairs but an artificial creation of human policy. Maybe it is a wise policy but it's not some default state - it has to be the result of a conscious policy (and a constant effort to stem the natural flow).

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @AnotherDad

    Oh geez.

    (although we can argue about what the correct level of controlled immigration should be – in a modern economy you need to have some movement)

    Naked, nonsensical, assertion. There is zero immigration/emmigration to/from planet Earth. Yet the Earth economy has positively boomed.

    There has been very little immigration–trivial in importance–to the most prosperous nations in history. Some–Japan–darn near absolute zero. Most very very little. Some trader people coming to cash in. Most people–post-neolithic–historically just were not that mobile. America–and the like Anglosphere colonies–decidedly the outliers. And their “immigration”–European conquest/settlement–was not what is being advocated today. Great nations have been great because the people in them are on the ball and achieve greatness themselves. And being great and prosperous are more able to stop other people from invading. (They are more likely instead to have a booming population and go invade other people!)

    And restrictive immigration laws are not some “natural” state of affairs but an artificial creation of human policy. Maybe it is a wise policy but it’s not some default state – it has to be the result of a conscious policy (and a constant effort to stem the natural flow).

    LOL. Typical Jewish verbal gymnastics/propaganda. You completely reverse what is “natural”.

    What is natural is people living in their own communities with their own people, language, religion, traditions–culture. And keeping invaders out–if they are able to.

    Geez, read your own Torah. The Jews didn’t get green cards to settle in Israel. They came in and kicked the crap out of the natives. Yeah, some of the natives–trying to survive–offered the traditional “let’s swap some brides and co-exist/merge”. The Jews killed them off anyway.

    That’s what’s “natural”. And people–wisely!–trying to stop such immigrantion.

    No, it actually requires the super-state to stop Americans from protecting their communities. In the absence of the super-state white (and some others happy to assimilate) Americans would organically build and protect their own communities. Govern themselves. Restore rule-of-law. Keep out troublemakers. Keep out blacks, or at minimum, not allow blacks to run wild with their minoritarian-oppression privilege. Keep out foreigners, keeping their land and their communities for themselves and their prosperity. And this would quickly rebuild into a–only somewhat reduced–America with a border.

    That’s what is “natural”.

    • Agree: Goddard
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    1. The Bible constantly talks about "the stranger among you" - which rules do and don't apply to them, "stranger" being Bible speak for non-Israelites. This makes it clear that there were always non-Israelite people living in their territories and the historical record bears this out.

    2. In the absence of immigration laws, immigration is unrestricted. The default legal setup under the US Constitution is free immigration - this is why Congress has to pass laws that restrict it. What this would be like under the Constitution of your imaginary White American Third Reich I dunno, but under the Constitution that we have had for the last 200+ years the default option is free immigration and Congress has to pass laws to restrict it. And I will repeat again, if America ever splits up, you Old Stock white people have to take Negroes with you - you are the ones who brought them here. No fair adopting a pit bull and then when there is a divorce you try to foist it on your spouse.

    3. Japan is (like Israel) a special case of a country that is very ethnically homogeneous (and even so Japan actually has a very large, largely hidden Korean minority left over from colonial times). And Japan is increasingly open to immigrants.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/japan-could-allow-more-foreigners-to-stay-indefinitely-in-major-shift.html

    The US never was anything like Japan - it's just not a good model for American culture. Most Americans would feel straight jacketed by having to live in a place like Japan. A uniform culture has virtues but it also has a very big downside which is why in America the counterculture pretty much destroyed the conformist culture.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Daniel H

    , @jsm
    @AnotherDad

    . And being great and prosperous are more able to stop other people from invading. (They are more likely instead to have a booming population and go invade other people!)


    Aye. Liars like Jack like to pretend that immigration does good to the people already there. But immigration (really, invasion) always and everywhere benefits the incomers and hurts the residents.

    But since Jack's people, imminvaders that they themselves are, have a bolthole, hey, for them it's all good if everybody else comes to the places they've imminvaded, too.

  79. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Oh geez.


    (although we can argue about what the correct level of controlled immigration should be – in a modern economy you need to have some movement)
     
    Naked, nonsensical, assertion. There is zero immigration/emmigration to/from planet Earth. Yet the Earth economy has positively boomed.

    There has been very little immigration--trivial in importance--to the most prosperous nations in history. Some--Japan--darn near absolute zero. Most very very little. Some trader people coming to cash in. Most people--post-neolithic--historically just were not that mobile. America--and the like Anglosphere colonies--decidedly the outliers. And their "immigration"--European conquest/settlement--was not what is being advocated today. Great nations have been great because the people in them are on the ball and achieve greatness themselves. And being great and prosperous are more able to stop other people from invading. (They are more likely instead to have a booming population and go invade other people!)

    And restrictive immigration laws are not some “natural” state of affairs but an artificial creation of human policy. Maybe it is a wise policy but it’s not some default state – it has to be the result of a conscious policy (and a constant effort to stem the natural flow).
     
    LOL. Typical Jewish verbal gymnastics/propaganda. You completely reverse what is "natural".

    What is natural is people living in their own communities with their own people, language, religion, traditions--culture. And keeping invaders out--if they are able to.

    Geez, read your own Torah. The Jews didn't get green cards to settle in Israel. They came in and kicked the crap out of the natives. Yeah, some of the natives--trying to survive--offered the traditional "let's swap some brides and co-exist/merge". The Jews killed them off anyway.

    That's what's "natural". And people--wisely!--trying to stop such immigrantion.

    No, it actually requires the super-state to stop Americans from protecting their communities. In the absence of the super-state white (and some others happy to assimilate) Americans would organically build and protect their own communities. Govern themselves. Restore rule-of-law. Keep out troublemakers. Keep out blacks, or at minimum, not allow blacks to run wild with their minoritarian-oppression privilege. Keep out foreigners, keeping their land and their communities for themselves and their prosperity. And this would quickly rebuild into a--only somewhat reduced--America with a border.

    That's what is "natural".

    Replies: @Jack D, @jsm

    1. The Bible constantly talks about “the stranger among you” – which rules do and don’t apply to them, “stranger” being Bible speak for non-Israelites. This makes it clear that there were always non-Israelite people living in their territories and the historical record bears this out.

    2. In the absence of immigration laws, immigration is unrestricted. The default legal setup under the US Constitution is free immigration – this is why Congress has to pass laws that restrict it. What this would be like under the Constitution of your imaginary White American Third Reich I dunno, but under the Constitution that we have had for the last 200+ years the default option is free immigration and Congress has to pass laws to restrict it. And I will repeat again, if America ever splits up, you Old Stock white people have to take Negroes with you – you are the ones who brought them here. No fair adopting a pit bull and then when there is a divorce you try to foist it on your spouse.

    3. Japan is (like Israel) a special case of a country that is very ethnically homogeneous (and even so Japan actually has a very large, largely hidden Korean minority left over from colonial times). And Japan is increasingly open to immigrants.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/japan-could-allow-more-foreigners-to-stay-indefinitely-in-major-shift.html

    The US never was anything like Japan – it’s just not a good model for American culture. Most Americans would feel straight jacketed by having to live in a place like Japan. A uniform culture has virtues but it also has a very big downside which is why in America the counterculture pretty much destroyed the conformist culture.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Jack, this goy boy can go toe-to-toe with your Jewish lawyering all day long.


    The Bible constantly talks about “the stranger among you” – which rules do and don’t apply to them, “stranger” being Bible speak for non-Israelites. This makes it clear that there were always non-Israelite people living in their territories and the historical record bears this out.
     
    What it makes clear is that Jews had a strong sense of their community and policing their community's boundaries. (Normal as I have been pointing out.)

    In fact, Jews are actually notable not in being open, but in being very particular, very strong policing their community boundary. So much so they actually have a bunch of religious b.s. enforcing that. However, since their diaspora, they have been doing it inside other people's territory. Which leads to their weird, hypocritical "my community is special, wonderful, sacred ... your community is shit and must be open to everyone" shtick, that unfortunately their have inflicted on the rest of us.


    2. In the absence of immigration laws, immigration is unrestricted. The default legal setup under the US Constitution is free immigration – this is why Congress has to pass laws that restrict it.
     
    Geez. Seriously? Well yeah, ok. And the "default legal setup under the US Constitution" is free rape and murder. As you know the US Constitution is very short. It is not fundamental a policy document, but a Constitution for republican self-government. Which we used to sorta have ...

    What this would be like under the Constitution of your imaginary White American Third Reich
     
    LOL. Lame. But actually funnily oh so typical. Anyone suggesting something contrary to the Jewish narrative--in my case that mass immigration is illogical bullshit--"Nazi!" For a smart people, when it comes down to it, all you have is point and sputter.

    And I will repeat again, if America ever splits up, you Old Stock white people have to take Negroes with you – you are the ones who brought them here. No fair adopting a pit bull and then when there is a divorce you try to foist it on your spouse.
     
    No, we don't. We are a free people, we do not have to do what you want.

    I keep explaining and explaining and explaining this to you Jack. The "natural" default is that people live in their own communities, with their own people and culture. Their lives, their rules.

    I realize--we all realize--that the Jewish narrative is that the Jewish community is a community and all other communities are ... up for grabs. And--of course--"anti-Semitic" if Jews are not allowed to come in a middle man in them. But that's just bullshit. No other people have to do "what's good for the Jews" unless you are able to hold a gun to their heads.

    If--in the unlikely event--there is separation, the Jewish minoritarian diktat will inherently be over in the explicitly American (non-minoritarian) community. The whole point of any such community would be a return to sane republican self-government that prioritizes the majoritarian interest in the survival and continuance of the nation for "ourselves and our posterity"-- rule of law, traditional American style Western Civilization, normative hetrosexuality, family, fertility, children, oh and Christmas ;-)

    If you clean up your act and stop spouting this minoritarian bullshit, you could probably come along with the other American-Americans in Montgomery County. But if you keep it up then you'll be stuck with the rainbow people. If some of you rainbow types then decide you aren't happy with the blacks ... that's not my problem. (Like Steve I see the whole "Rainbow" thing as inherently unstable. A coalition of parasites, basically held together with "the evil racist white Christian heterosexuals are oppressing you!" trope.)


    No fair ...
     
    American Jews really should not talk about "fair". A people less gracious, more lacking in gratitude and basic reciprocity may not exist on this planet.

    The US never was anything like Japan – it’s just not a good model for American culture. Most Americans would feel straight jacketed by having to live in a place like Japan.
     
    Duh. America is/was a Western Christian nation--Anglo division. Japan is Japan.

    But your idea that America was historically some sort of multi-culti pig pile, is nonsense. Most Americans lived in what were simply the mildly Euro-syncretistic American white cultural norms of their particular region. (I grew up in Cincinnati ... but essentially entirely around a bunch of mixed--mostly Germanic/Anglo--white American people in my suburb.) You go out to rural America ... and it's still that way. A bunch of fairly generic American white people living in American culture. And they do not feel "straightjacketed" at all. They like who they are and how they live.

    Again, i keep pointing it out. Jews are used to being a separate community, separate from but living inside the larger community that they middle man. They have psychological ticks evolved to deal with it. But Jews are outliers. Normal people are not like that. They live in their communities, with their culture ... and are perfect happy with their terrible, terrible--"white bread" for whites--communities.
     

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Jack D, @Anon

    , @Daniel H
    @Jack D

    Japan is (like Israel) a special case

    A mind of your own?
    I thought you were special
    I thought you should know
    But I've run out of patience
    I couldn't care less

    https://youtu.be/raRGnueg8Lo

  80. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666


    They would double their revenue if they’d dump their woketard news writers.
     
    First of all, probably not true about the revenue.

    2nd, even if it was, the WSJ draws from the same pool of young woke reporters as the NYT and the Washington Post (there is a lot of switching between the papers). And in the digital operations, etc. an even more leftist group. There is not some reservoir of young qualified right wing reporters that they could draw upon even if they wanted to.

    Replies: @Allain, @Hypnotoad666

    Nothing new. I remember flying from D.C. to Chicago in the 90’s, sitting alongside a WSJ guy. Not sure what his job was, but even back then I kidded him, asking if the news side and the editorial side ever spoke to each other. He definitely noticed I was reading a National Review.
    As an aside, we had a really rough flight, especially the “final approach”, which was starting to literally feel like it. The WSJ guy turned absolutely white. Mind you, I wasn’t too happy either. I swear it felt like the plane was yawing from side to side so much it was going to auger in. Obviously, we didn’t. Still, I got my rental car and turned the radio on to hear that O’Hare had been closed due to high winds. Guess we were one of the last planes to land before the closure.

    • Replies: @Escher
    @Allain


    The WSJ guy turned absolutely white.
     
    Was he white to begin with, or did his inner Oreo/banana/coconut express himself?
  81. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Jack D


    You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.
     
    The purpose of a dam is not only to hold water back on one side, but to control its flow and divert the reservoir it creates one one side to productive purposes including irrigation and energy generation buy managed releases of the flow. Dams actually work fairly well and you've lost the plot of your analogy if you propose that the water on both sides will inevitably reach the same level so don't bother building a dam.

    The current affair is not an inevitability but rather a matter of choice. To complete your analogy, our water is at a relatively low volume of 330 million, and there's a volume of about 4-5 Billion built up on the other side. Probably 85% of the world would which "wants a better lot" would have a better lot simply by appearing on American soil and they know it. Are we just supposed to expect to establish some kind of equilibrium where the U.S. will be so populous and poor enough that people won't be motivated to come here? That the average American will be not much better off materially than the average Cameroonian or Ecuadoran and this will finally stem the tide of in-migration?

    This is not your most compelling or well thought out argument, Jack.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad

    Are we just supposed to expect to establish some kind of equilibrium where the U.S. will be so populous and poor enough that people won’t be motivated to come here? That the average American will be not much better off materially than the average Cameroonian or Ecuadoran and this will finally stem the tide of in-migration?

    Nailed it! You nailed it Alec.

    I keep hammering/yammering away at my same old same old points. But they are obvious and important points.

    The simple and inevitable mathematical logic of immigrationism–“nation of immigrants”–is that the US must become the world’s shittiest nation.

    Only when the US is so crowded and diversely incompetent/unpleasant that even the hoodlums in Haiti and Niger and think “No thanks, to shitty for me, i’ll pass” will immigration finally–JackD’s “naturally”–blissfully stop. Stopping it before then–at anything less than the world’s dumpster– is racism! xenophobia! Nazi stuff.

    Lots of normies think immigrationism must be “smart”–even if they personally think the changes and some of the people are not so great–because all these media “smart” people–the great and the good parrot it.

    This is partly because most people do not “do math” and are not prone to building simple models or making simple “sanity checks” the way mathy/analytical people like me do. And party because normies do not understand that these smart people are smart … but hostile. These hostile elites do not see Americans’ interests as their interests and are quite happy to trash Americans and their posterity’s future.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @AnotherDad


    Only when the US is so crowded and diversely incompetent/unpleasant
     
    AD, just this week the Bezos Post had an "analysis" of the Colorado River and how it is in "crisis".

    This is in the very first sentence: "The Colorado River plays a pivotal role in the American West, supplying water to more than 40 million people"

    Nowhere in the article do they question WHY we have 40mm people living in the arid Southwest. It is just accepted, part of nature, nothing anyone can do. Better to hand-wring and talk about "drought", the definition of drought being "less precipitation than we would like".

    Immigration has been a disaster for this nation - culturally, politically, and ecologically.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Alden

    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    The simple and inevitable mathematical logic of immigrationism–“nation of immigrants”–is that the US must become the world’s shittiest nation
     
    The dumping ground for the global worst of the worst. A safety valve to relieve every other country of their worst citizens, from lowest to the highest.
    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad


    The simple and inevitable mathematical logic of immigrationism–“nation of immigrants”–is that the US must become the world’s shittiest nation.
     
    Devil’s advocate point: We are taking in the best and the brightest (or at least the most motivated and ambitious) from these other countries. For that reason, we shouldn’t expect the conditions of those countries to be replicated here.
  82. @guest007
    @Spud Boy

    Whites in places like California benefit from increased Latino immigration pushing blacks out of California. Remember Steve's obsession about Compton which is not 70% Latino but Compton High School is 80% Latino. One would suspect that the 19% of the students who are black want to get out of Compton as fast as possible.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Anonymous

    How does the racial composition of Compton affect any white in the state?

    Spudboy’s point still remains even when conceding your factual statement: When Compton was black, California Republicans had a good chance at winning statewide elections on conservative platforms. Now because of the high pace of immigration over several decades, Republicans have no impact on state politics at all.

    Both conservatism and libertarianism are the politics of white Americans. Even most western European nations have dropped those political ideologies. They have almost no salience outside of the U.S. So outsiders to California are not going to help resuscitate them.

    Only Compton has benefitted from increased Hispanic immigration, and Compton’s fortunes are relatively unimportant compared to those of the state of California and the nation.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Pincher Martin

    But would whites want to live in an area with a large number of blacks or a large number of hispanics. The Compton data shows that progressive whites do not mind large hispanic immigration because that immigration pushes blacks out of the state. That is why blacks have been moving out of California. Blacks make up 8% of Los Angeles county and 11% of Alameda County. The race riots that occurred after the Rodney King verdict could hot happen today because there are not enough blacks to riot.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Richard B

  83. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    Mass immigration would be challenging enough in a modern nation which is not full of undeveloped agricultural land in need of homesteading or in the process of industrialization and urbanization. Moreso after the establishment of a welfare state. In broad terms, these are substantive differences between prior periods of in-migration to the U.S. and what we have now - the country is no longer reasonably in need of people to establish agricultural operations, work in factories, or populate its cities. This alone would be reason enough to reevaluate the nation's immigration law and policy, and at the very least strictly enforce existing immigration law. Immigration must always be measured against its deleterious effect upon social cohesion and its potential to erode a civic culture.

    But whether created by immigration itself, contributing factors to an intolerable situation include a constellation of beliefs, attitudes, and sub rosa policies propagated by the ruling class:

    1) The current legal immigration policy was secured by mistake at best, or downright fraud when Americans were assured at the time of passage that it would not alter the demographic balance of the United States. The results of a law or policy, when understood from empirical measures, must be presumed to be the purpose and intention of the policies. Hart-Celler has absolutely upended the demographic balance of the United States. Its continuance as a policy must be interpreted therefore as its purpose and intention. It's a policy like any other - like taxes, clean water regulations, or the speed limit - it is not an act of God unaffected by the government that oversees it.

    2) Illegal immigration is de facto legal. Removal efforts are frustrated at every turn by a web of legal activists inside and outside of government. Democratic party dominated States and municipalities actively interfere with the enforcement of Federal Law, recruit illegals with sanctuary State/City status, and confer upon illegals the practical benefits of U.S. citizenship in the form of identification documents, government benefits and services, etc. Due to insane policies such as the census counting all persons and not distinguishing between citizens and non-citizens in apportionment, illegals became a source of electoral power and clients for an increased receipt of Federal appropriations thereby funding the left's administrative state and government worker unions. The presence of illegals in the United States is used as leverage to expand and liberalize legal immigration against the wishes of the electorate.

    3) "Diversity is our strength," which means immigrants and people of color must struggle against assimilation into American culture and always stand apart from it. The most abrasive behavior by immigrants and their issue is actively encouraged. Institutions are compelled to discriminate in favor of everybody but whites, which is of course a crude ruse to obscure discrimination against whites. Recent immigrants and their children are immediately eligible for preferences in educational admissions, government backed loans, etc. over native born whites.

    4) The 1960s Civil Rights revolution has swallowed the U.S. Constitution and rights are group/identity based now. Everyone but whites have been encouraged to make their non-white race and/or ethnicity the center of their identities and to perceive politics as a matter of the personal integrity of this identity. Group esteem becomes a function of numbers because numbers confer political power, and the most direct way to increase group esteem is to import more of one's group.

    5) Whiteness is both a non-existent social construct and the root of all social ills. Whites do not exist, except as culprits and villains. Whites inherit guilt from all predecessor whites, regardless of relative social class, and owe debts to all non-whites regardless of the latters' origins. A Brahmin immigrant is oppressed by - and relative to - an unshod Scots-Irish Appalachian. Vocal abuse of lower status whites and "whiteness" is a marker of status and sport of the ruling class - its acceptance and repetition is considered a requisite for entry into elite institutions and social circles. It is not considered a breach of decorum to viciously criticize whites and whiteness unbidden in most situations in American life and when it is done in the news media it is considered self-evident and uncontroversial. Although clearly reified as a negative identity by the ruling classes and their institutions - while at the same time rights are group and identity based - whites are not permitted to have common interests even if in defense.

    6) The Democratic party elected to eschew elements of its traditional base in the form of the white working class in favor of an emergent urban high-low coalition predicted by think-tankers like Judas and Teixeira and Richard Florida at about the same time that it came to be fully fused with formerly neutral institutions such as the academy and news and entertainment media. It has no electoral or moral incentive to address the diminished life prospects of these members of its former base - they are a problem to be solved, rather than people to be served. Leftists and Democrats vociferously celebrate the dispossession and increasing irrelevance of whites in both victory and defeat. They joke about whites fearing being a minority with quips like "what, do they treat minorities poorly or something?" (This is likely much more provocative to a would-be mass shooter than Tucker Carlson noticing that these people celebrate whites' dispossession and increasing irrelevance).

    7) Internal wage arbitrage is central to the pyramid of economic growth. People who profit from the purchase of labor in bulk in both the skilled and unskilled markets prefer to suppress wages by the use of coolie labor within the United States. You will lose your job as a framing contractor's laborer to illegal Salvadorans who will work for a fraction of what would otherwise be the market wage, while your son will have acquired educational debt but will be outcompeted for a programming job by an H1B from Bangladesh who will work longer for less and has no such educational debt. You and your son will both be insulted as too lazy to "do jobs that Americans won't do."

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Goddard, @Luke Lea

    “Immigration must always be measured against its deleterious effect upon social cohesion and its potential to erode a civic culture.”

    Well said.

    • Agree: ic1000
  84. @Anon
    @Mark G.

    Libertarianism has such binary thinking.

    You know who else believed in collectivism? The Founders. That’s why the Constitution has the phrase “promote the common good” and as Steve likes to note, “ourselves and our posterity.”

    They also limited immigration to “free whites,” which I guess makes them “ Alt-Right Neo-Nazi types.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    You know who else believed in collectivism? The Founders. That’s why the Constitution has the phrase “promote the common good” and as Steve likes to note, “ourselves and our posterity.”

    If you interpret “common good” to mean the federal government should be able to do anything to promote that common good, then the Founders wouldn’t have even had a Constitution. The purpose of the Constitution was to restrict what the federal government could do. It could only do what was listed. Everything else was left to the states and the people, as the tenth amendment clearly states. So it was not a document promoting collectivism. The Founders understood that governments throughout history had been tyrannical and had violated the freedom and individual rights of its subjects and were trying to prevent the U.S. from heading in that direction.

    They were not successful due to collectivist individuals such as yourself misinterpreting the Constitution and the purpose of it. Federal government spending averaged 3% of GDP between 1790 and 1914. Spending increased steadily after that until we now have a thirty trillion dollar national debt and high inflation from money printing to pay for that increased government spending. We didn’t get into the shape we are in because we had too little collectivism and too much freedom and individual rights in this country. We got into our current situation and decline because of the spread of collectivist philosophies in recent years, both of the right and the left. What you call “binary thinking” I call distinguishing good from evil, something collectivists don’t want done since they don’t like a light being shown on their true nature.

  85. I can not understand how anyone who has the tiniest interest in America, as a nation, can watch footage of thousands, yes thousands, of aliens streaming across our southern border. Oh, wait, you only see that footage on a very few networks, actually, maybe just one.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe


    I can not understand how anyone who has the tiniest interest in America, as a nation, can watch footage of thousands, yes thousands, of aliens streaming across our southern border.
     
    What do mean, you don’t understand how we can watch it? We see it.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

  86. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    1. The Bible constantly talks about "the stranger among you" - which rules do and don't apply to them, "stranger" being Bible speak for non-Israelites. This makes it clear that there were always non-Israelite people living in their territories and the historical record bears this out.

    2. In the absence of immigration laws, immigration is unrestricted. The default legal setup under the US Constitution is free immigration - this is why Congress has to pass laws that restrict it. What this would be like under the Constitution of your imaginary White American Third Reich I dunno, but under the Constitution that we have had for the last 200+ years the default option is free immigration and Congress has to pass laws to restrict it. And I will repeat again, if America ever splits up, you Old Stock white people have to take Negroes with you - you are the ones who brought them here. No fair adopting a pit bull and then when there is a divorce you try to foist it on your spouse.

    3. Japan is (like Israel) a special case of a country that is very ethnically homogeneous (and even so Japan actually has a very large, largely hidden Korean minority left over from colonial times). And Japan is increasingly open to immigrants.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/japan-could-allow-more-foreigners-to-stay-indefinitely-in-major-shift.html

    The US never was anything like Japan - it's just not a good model for American culture. Most Americans would feel straight jacketed by having to live in a place like Japan. A uniform culture has virtues but it also has a very big downside which is why in America the counterculture pretty much destroyed the conformist culture.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Daniel H

    Jack, this goy boy can go toe-to-toe with your Jewish lawyering all day long.

    The Bible constantly talks about “the stranger among you” – which rules do and don’t apply to them, “stranger” being Bible speak for non-Israelites. This makes it clear that there were always non-Israelite people living in their territories and the historical record bears this out.

    What it makes clear is that Jews had a strong sense of their community and policing their community’s boundaries. (Normal as I have been pointing out.)

    In fact, Jews are actually notable not in being open, but in being very particular, very strong policing their community boundary. So much so they actually have a bunch of religious b.s. enforcing that. However, since their diaspora, they have been doing it inside other people’s territory. Which leads to their weird, hypocritical “my community is special, wonderful, sacred … your community is shit and must be open to everyone” shtick, that unfortunately their have inflicted on the rest of us.

    2. In the absence of immigration laws, immigration is unrestricted. The default legal setup under the US Constitution is free immigration – this is why Congress has to pass laws that restrict it.

    Geez. Seriously? Well yeah, ok. And the “default legal setup under the US Constitution” is free rape and murder. As you know the US Constitution is very short. It is not fundamental a policy document, but a Constitution for republican self-government. Which we used to sorta have …

    What this would be like under the Constitution of your imaginary White American Third Reich

    LOL. Lame. But actually funnily oh so typical. Anyone suggesting something contrary to the Jewish narrative–in my case that mass immigration is illogical bullshit–“Nazi!” For a smart people, when it comes down to it, all you have is point and sputter.

    And I will repeat again, if America ever splits up, you Old Stock white people have to take Negroes with you – you are the ones who brought them here. No fair adopting a pit bull and then when there is a divorce you try to foist it on your spouse.

    No, we don’t. We are a free people, we do not have to do what you want.

    I keep explaining and explaining and explaining this to you Jack. The “natural” default is that people live in their own communities, with their own people and culture. Their lives, their rules.

    I realize–we all realize–that the Jewish narrative is that the Jewish community is a community and all other communities are … up for grabs. And–of course–“anti-Semitic” if Jews are not allowed to come in a middle man in them. But that’s just bullshit. No other people have to do “what’s good for the Jews” unless you are able to hold a gun to their heads.

    If–in the unlikely event–there is separation, the Jewish minoritarian diktat will inherently be over in the explicitly American (non-minoritarian) community. The whole point of any such community would be a return to sane republican self-government that prioritizes the majoritarian interest in the survival and continuance of the nation for “ourselves and our posterity”– rule of law, traditional American style Western Civilization, normative hetrosexuality, family, fertility, children, oh and Christmas 😉

    If you clean up your act and stop spouting this minoritarian bullshit, you could probably come along with the other American-Americans in Montgomery County. But if you keep it up then you’ll be stuck with the rainbow people. If some of you rainbow types then decide you aren’t happy with the blacks … that’s not my problem. (Like Steve I see the whole “Rainbow” thing as inherently unstable. A coalition of parasites, basically held together with “the evil racist white Christian heterosexuals are oppressing you!” trope.)

    No fair …

    American Jews really should not talk about “fair”. A people less gracious, more lacking in gratitude and basic reciprocity may not exist on this planet.

    The US never was anything like Japan – it’s just not a good model for American culture. Most Americans would feel straight jacketed by having to live in a place like Japan.

    Duh. America is/was a Western Christian nation–Anglo division. Japan is Japan.

    But your idea that America was historically some sort of multi-culti pig pile, is nonsense. Most Americans lived in what were simply the mildly Euro-syncretistic American white cultural norms of their particular region. (I grew up in Cincinnati … but essentially entirely around a bunch of mixed–mostly Germanic/Anglo–white American people in my suburb.) You go out to rural America … and it’s still that way. A bunch of fairly generic American white people living in American culture. And they do not feel “straightjacketed” at all. They like who they are and how they live.

    Again, i keep pointing it out. Jews are used to being a separate community, separate from but living inside the larger community that they middle man. They have psychological ticks evolved to deal with it. But Jews are outliers. Normal people are not like that. They live in their communities, with their culture … and are perfect happy with their terrible, terrible–“white bread” for whites–communities.

    • Agree: Goddard, Kylie, Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @stari_momak
    @AnotherDad

    What a surprise, the Ukrainian shill is an open borders shill.

    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    and are perfect happy with their terrible, terrible–“white bread” for whites–communities
     
    The reason people in rural areas are happy (not that they all are - there is a lot of unhappiness/drug use, etc. among rural whites) is that there is a selection effect. The people who don't feel as if they fit in into their rural community or want to live an "alternative lifestyle" leave for the big city. NY, LA, SF, etc. are full of refugees from small town America.

    The coastal big cities (esp. but not only NY) were always wildly multicultural and filled not only with furreners but with all those refugees from rural and suburban America who wanted to get away from the stifling norms and judgments of small town life.

    This has always existed and will continue to exist without needing your lame brained "separate countries" idea. This idea was already tried once in America and it didn't work out. America is one country and will remain that way I hope.

    You are like the blind man and the elephant. You have a particular memory of a particular time and and place in America when you were growing up , a time that happened to be a high water mark for low immigration due to the 1924 Act (Cincinnati was once upon a time full of German immigrants) and a suburb that was very white (Cincinnati, being just over the river from slave country always had blacks IIRC) and you assume that that is somehow the "real" America but it was just YOUR particular America, not all of America.

    My childhood America in Brooklyn (before I move to the farm) was absolutely nothing like your America. In the tenement where I lived, which was built for the immigrant crowd, I don't think any "real" Americans had lived in that neighborhood since the Dutch farmers sold out to the land developers in the mid-19th century. But I understand that wasn't the real America either, it was just one slice of America which was just as real as all the other Americas. America is not just one thing even if you think it is. It never was and it never will be.

    , @Anon
    @AnotherDad


    American Jews really should not talk about “fair”. A people less gracious, more lacking in gratitude and basic reciprocity may not exist on this planet.
     
    When have the Jews ever thanked the United States and the Allies for saving their bacon in WW2?

    How often do you hear expressions of gratitude from Jews to goyim for their helping to create, sustain, and grow the Zionist entity?

    Replies: @Escher, @Reg Cæsar

  87. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666


    They would double their revenue if they’d dump their woketard news writers.
     
    First of all, probably not true about the revenue.

    2nd, even if it was, the WSJ draws from the same pool of young woke reporters as the NYT and the Washington Post (there is a lot of switching between the papers). And in the digital operations, etc. an even more leftist group. There is not some reservoir of young qualified right wing reporters that they could draw upon even if they wanted to.

    Replies: @Allain, @Hypnotoad666

    There is not some reservoir of young qualified right wing reporters that they could draw upon even if they wanted to.

    IMHO, the idea that someone has to be specially “qualified” to compile and summarizing data is a fallacy. Any diligent and intelligent person can do it. This is demonstrated every day by the legion of “amateur” bloggers who do a vastly better job of compiling and analyzing facts than the hack MSM “journalists” whose only specialized skill is narrative management.

    Also IMHO, it is not a good business model to deliberately provide a service that your customers don’t want. WSJ subscribers don’t want woke propaganda. They subscribe for the financial coverage and editorials. Maybe 20% of Americans are wokesters. Whereas 90% of journalism is woke. Simple math says media companies are leaving huge amounts of money on the table in order to indulge the individual prejudices of their reporters.

    If his Twitter deal works out, maybe Elon can start a company whose business model is to acquire and de-wokeify media properties.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Hypnotoad666

    Journalism as a profession, and journalism schools, are a joke. Hire humanities and social science majors, not from the Ivy League, but from Wheaton College, The University of Dallas, etc.

  88. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    "... unavailability of mental health services ..."

    To the general public; not to grooming candidates.

    The Buffalo Shooter was 18. He killed ten with a Bushmaster XM-15 semi-auto loaded with .223. He took fire from one of those he killed, a retired cop turned armed private guard, and kept his cool. He's too young to have received law enforcement or military firearms training. Luck or innate skill is an inadequate answer. He received training and motivation from somewhere. His manifesto looks like it was cooked up by security state psychwarfare specialists. Sure, I was particularly dumb at 18. And my peer group dummies were just as dumb. But I realize rare bright bulbs do exist amongst the young and dull. If this kid isn't what I think he is -- a medicalized, mesmerized homicidal robot -- then he is truly a gifted, mentally-ill killer.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    He’s too young to have received law enforcement or military firearms training. Luck or innate skill is an inadequate answer. He received training and motivation from somewhere.

    Video games.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
  89. @Redneck farmer
    Of course, the Stupid Party's "we need cheap labor" helps them out.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    It would be fun to see just how far an insurrectionist within the GOP (now there’s a concept) could stir things up by loudly, publicly, broadly and incessantly proclaiming that telling White Americans that “You need to be cheap labor” is not the way to win elections.

  90. Unfortunately, Republicans are too low IQ to understand sophisticated Democratic concepts like We’re Good, You’re Bad, so they make up outlandish conspiracy theories about how Democrats promote immigration policies that are in the Democrats’ electoral self-interest.

    While admittedly a very low bar, I would submit that Republicans aren’t even that smart. As someone noted long ago we have two parties in Murika – the stupid party and the evil party. That observation is very superficial though as there’s really only one party: the evil party. All else is mere Kabuki theatre. Voat moar harder.

  91. @AnotherDad
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    Are we just supposed to expect to establish some kind of equilibrium where the U.S. will be so populous and poor enough that people won’t be motivated to come here? That the average American will be not much better off materially than the average Cameroonian or Ecuadoran and this will finally stem the tide of in-migration?
     
    Nailed it! You nailed it Alec.

    I keep hammering/yammering away at my same old same old points. But they are obvious and important points.

    The simple and inevitable mathematical logic of immigrationism--"nation of immigrants"--is that the US must become the world's shittiest nation.

    Only when the US is so crowded and diversely incompetent/unpleasant that even the hoodlums in Haiti and Niger and think "No thanks, to shitty for me, i'll pass" will immigration finally--JackD's "naturally"--blissfully stop. Stopping it before then--at anything less than the world's dumpster-- is racism! xenophobia! Nazi stuff.

    Lots of normies think immigrationism must be "smart"--even if they personally think the changes and some of the people are not so great--because all these media "smart" people--the great and the good parrot it.

    This is partly because most people do not "do math" and are not prone to building simple models or making simple "sanity checks" the way mathy/analytical people like me do. And party because normies do not understand that these smart people are smart ... but hostile. These hostile elites do not see Americans' interests as their interests and are quite happy to trash Americans and their posterity's future.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Only when the US is so crowded and diversely incompetent/unpleasant

    AD, just this week the Bezos Post had an “analysis” of the Colorado River and how it is in “crisis”.

    This is in the very first sentence: “The Colorado River plays a pivotal role in the American West, supplying water to more than 40 million people

    Nowhere in the article do they question WHY we have 40mm people living in the arid Southwest. It is just accepted, part of nature, nothing anyone can do. Better to hand-wring and talk about “drought”, the definition of drought being “less precipitation than we would like”.

    Immigration has been a disaster for this nation – culturally, politically, and ecologically.

    • Thanks: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @William Badwhite


    Nowhere in the article do they question WHY we have 40mm people living in the arid Southwest. It is just accepted, part of nature, nothing anyone can do. Better to hand-wring and talk about “drought”, the definition of drought being “less precipitation than we would like”.
     
    Running into the wall of limited water resources is one fact that the bourgeois immigration enthusiasts can't bullsh*t there way around. There either is or isn't enough water. Coders from India, hustling landscapers from Mexico won't bring a single drop of water. It will really concentrate the minds of people when it will cost $5 just to flush a toilet in, say, Phoenix or Vegas. That day is close, very close.
    , @Alden
    @William Badwhite

    The Colorado River is fed by thousands of creeks in N. Utah. Every year in May and June those creeks get the snowmelt from Montana Wyoming and Canada all the way to the arctic where the snow doesn’t melt. Every year those creeks in stone not hard clay, mountains have massive flows of water that drains into the Colorado River. A river that is so huge it goes into Mexico.

    The water has dug canyons large , medium and small stone canyons. Which means the water doesn’t permeate clay or spread over the surrounding land like the Mississippi Missouri system does every year. The water stays in the canyons. The flood water from as far north as the beginning of the arctic flows through those creeks into the Colorado River.

    The underground water aquifer might be drying out. But as long as it snows in Montana Wyoming, Canada and near the arctic circle there will be plenty of water for the Colorado.

    Global warming when snow and glaciers in the Arctic start melting the Colorado River will have so much water the south west and N Mexico will turn into a lush green humid jungle in a few centuries.

    It’s not common knowledge how and where the Colorado gets some of its water. But anyone who pontificates about the Colorado should learn something about it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jonathan Mason, @William Badwhite

  92. @Jack D

    Unless you are actually cheap laboring a business, all this gardener, nanny, restaurants stuff is far, far outweighed by pretty direct costs is housing, schooling, crowding, social dislocation, taxation.
     
    Maybe for the society as a whole but if you live in an elite bubble you can be insulated from many of the costs. But a big driver of leapfrogging loyalties is not economics but status. Blue collar whites (who in some cases make more $ than highly educated whites whose liberal arts degree gets them a job at Starbucks) pose a threat to their status.

    You blab on and on about the "Judification of American elite ideology" but how is it possible that the Jews are able to do this? Even among elites and even accounting for their extra special cleverness, how are they able to get the non-Jewish majority to buy in?

    The problem with blaming everything on the Jews is that even if you get rid of the Jews nothing really changes because they aren't really the root cause of the problem to begin with. Liberal Jews are getting rid of themselves anyway because they either fail to reproduce or the next generation isn't even Jewish. But S. Asians, etc. are already moving into their ecological niche so the problem isn't going away even if you got rid of every last Jew.

    Replies: @Charon, @AnotherDad, @Ben tillman

    The problem with blaming everything on the Jews is that even if you get rid of the Jews nothing really changes because they aren’t really the root cause of the problem to begin with.

    Jack–

    For the record, I have never blamed the current crisis entirely on the Jews. I have listed–several times–5, 6, or 7 reasons (depending on how you count). And the zeroth order reason is “the nature of white people”–i.e. the psychological openness, empathy, universality of Western Christian peoples. (A strength in building high-trust nations, but a weakness in the present age.) The Japanese for instance who took a particular Japanese, non-Christian approach to building their high trust nation are a much different and apparently tougher nut.

    Two of the bigger reasons:
    1) “Diversity is the health of the state”.
    I did not coin “minoritarianism”. This rogue ideology is pretty obvious once you open your eyes and other smart people–John Derbyshire–beat me to giving it the obvious label. But I do think I’m the first to come up with “Diversity is the health of the state”.

    Managing diversity–a replacement for war–empowers the state. And diverse peoples both a) balkanize the population weakening resistance to the managers and b) provide a vote bank for the state party.

    2) Cheap labor.
    The siren call of cheap labor is a driver. And also just the general idea of the free flow of goods, capital and labor are appealing for the people who are the “winners” with the free flow of goods, capital and labor. And, of course, those people are powerful, influential and can buy lackeys to propagandize.

    But I’ve got several more.

    What I do claim is that
    — minoritarianism–majorities oppressive/evil; minorities oppressed/virtuous–is fundamentally a Jewish concocted/propagandize/driven/enforced ideology. (The idea that a smart, verbal, wealthy, influential minority drove minoritarianism is supposed to be shocking or something. Actually the reverse would be bizarre. That minorities push minoritarianism is the height of ordinary self-interest.)

    — immigrationism as an ideology and moral conceit is a heavily Jewish drive ideology.
    Jews are a minority who have existed for two thousand years middle manning in other people’s nations. They like other people’s nations being open for their middle manning and they they like the idea that there’s someplace to run to when they natives inevitably get pissed at them. So again, that Jews have been the super-pushers of immigration as a moral ideology is hardly surprising.

    — anti-geneticism
    Not one of my big two, but I would also say Jews have been the big–really the only–drivers of the anti-empirical, anti-genetic ideology ideology pretty much against all the Anglo guys who figured out and mathematically systematized the field. This one is crystal clear on the people–the top ten anti-scientists could form a minyan. But it’s less obvious on the driver. Basically it seems to be the desire to generally deny (for white gentiles) the existence of ethno-national interests.

    In sum, I give Jews the primary credit/blame for developing and propagandizing the minoritarian ideological and attitudinal environment we are now in. For the moral inversion, where breaking nations and screwing the ordinary working man is elite “good think”.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @AnotherDad


    For the record, I have never blamed the current crisis entirely on the Je
     
    That is the problem, because ultimately they are entirely to blame for the crises.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    Jews have been the big–really the only–drivers of the anti-empirical, anti-genetic ideology ideology pretty much against all the Anglo guys who figured out and mathematically systematized the field.
     
    Gee, can you think of any reason why Jews would be opposed to the idea that the taint is in the blood?
  93. @G. Tart
    As a middle-age white male I am fully in support of “The Great Replacement” if that’s what natural selection and evolution is called these days (nature is conspiring against us!).

    I do so for two main reasons.

    Firstly, I love diversity and non-white women since I was a child in an all-white elementary school in middle America in the 1970’s and a brown-skinned girl from Latin America joined my 3rd-grade class. 😍😍😍.

    Later I married an immigrant. 👩🏾‍❤️‍👨🏼 Bliss ever since!

    Secondly, in just the 25 years when you see the destruction around the globe caused by this empire it now seems the only way to put an end to this monster seeking enemies abroad is to marginalize and eliminate its faithful contract killer— the white male. The more the white male (and to a lesser extent the white female) is marginalized in society, military, and government the better off the world will be.

    I work in a government-related job were I can facilitate— albeit in a relatively minor way— a more diverse country through immigration from non-white and/or non-Christian countries and promote the hiring of minorities and immigrants in government/military. And you can bet your ass that I do so at any and every chance I get. Not because I’m woke, PC, or virtue-signaling but because I view it as perhaps the only way to make America more beautiful while also neutralizing the monster who is so ready to murder abroad.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Achmed E. Newman, @jamie b.

    I too am married to a brown immigrant. Somehow, this hasn’t led me to demonize pale people. Go figure.

    …I love diversity…

    No, a desire for the slow-mo genocide of one group is kinda the opposite.

  94. California here (i.e., I get to observe immigrants). I will add three points to the discussion:

    1. “Mirroring” on the part of many whites exists. They see “good enough” all around them, and so, at some level, they surrender to it. Thus, they self-replace their former conscientious, fastidious, proficient selves. Academic “dumbing-down” is a corollary.

    2. As Trump said, Not their best people. A leafblower immigrant is not the same as an immigrant with a degree in horticulture.

    3. I give a pass to my Chinese-American docs, who answer my stupid questions with incredible patience, politeness, and non-arrogance. Cuck me, hate me, troll me, but the fact remains they are decent and all the rest. And the vet tech. Etc.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @SafeNow

    SafeNow, I have a number of doctor friends, and a lot of them are Oriental. I think doctors are good people in general, but with that said, there was no reason the American Medical Schools couldn't have kept admitting 90% or more Americans, as in the 1980s. As with science, engineering, and IT, plenty of Americans are smart enought to fill the slots. They've been greatly discouraged from doing so.

    Replies: @JackOH

    , @anonymous
    @SafeNow


    3. I give a pass to my Chinese-American docs, who answer my stupid questions with incredible patience, politeness, and non-arrogance. Cuck me, hate me, troll me, but the fact remains they are decent and all the rest. And the vet tech. Etc.
     
    American men need those high-pay, high-prestige jobs.
    , @Thea
    @SafeNow

    Chinese doctors( and Middle Eastern and African) represent brain drain.

    Very little attention is paid to the price countries pay when they are the source of immigrants for other countries. It makes development all but impossible. Additionally, as a child I found moving to south Florida horribly traumatic due to different culture and climate from the NE. I imagine children suffer horribly when they leave to a whole new country. This is just cruel.

    About 20 years ago someone gave a speech to a receptive and very mixed ( not white nationalists) audience about how the real hope for Guatemalans was in Guatemala. Hold your own governors’ feet to the fire instead of leaving. Don’t remember the speaker but I remember a black lady in the audience. Her eyes got really big when he showed graphs of what was coming.

  95. Esso says:

    Benjamin Franklin effect: When you help someone, you feel more invested in and more favourable towards him.

    Here we have the reverse effect at work: Elites of labour parties notice their interests are starting to be in conflict with those of the working class. And they see that they are hurting rather than helping the white working class. And then their wise hearts infer that they must in fact hate the whites. Why else would they hurt them?

  96. Someone who, shall we say, I know very well lived in Washington for years. Very pro-DC statehood. When I suggested that Democrats might- just might- favor DC statehood because it meant two automatic Senate seats for them, she refused to believe it. The thought had never even crossed her mind. DC statehood is just *good*.

  97. @guest007
    @Batman

    The Italians never benefitted from quotas, affirmative Action, set asides, ethnic groups in college, and blatantly ethnicity/race based professional organizations. Moat Latinos who go to college will probably come out militant progressive Democrats just like blacks do.

    Replies: @Batman, @Hhsiii

    My impression is the blacks get militarized in college because of the mismatch. Every single black gets such an overwhelming affirmative action boost that they can’t hang in traditional majors, so they all get sorted into the Grievance Studies ghetto. I anecdotally have not observed that with Hispanics and non DOAS blacks.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Batman

    And how does mismatch explain the militant blacks coming out of Howard, Hampton, Morehouse, etc?

  98. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Jack, this goy boy can go toe-to-toe with your Jewish lawyering all day long.


    The Bible constantly talks about “the stranger among you” – which rules do and don’t apply to them, “stranger” being Bible speak for non-Israelites. This makes it clear that there were always non-Israelite people living in their territories and the historical record bears this out.
     
    What it makes clear is that Jews had a strong sense of their community and policing their community's boundaries. (Normal as I have been pointing out.)

    In fact, Jews are actually notable not in being open, but in being very particular, very strong policing their community boundary. So much so they actually have a bunch of religious b.s. enforcing that. However, since their diaspora, they have been doing it inside other people's territory. Which leads to their weird, hypocritical "my community is special, wonderful, sacred ... your community is shit and must be open to everyone" shtick, that unfortunately their have inflicted on the rest of us.


    2. In the absence of immigration laws, immigration is unrestricted. The default legal setup under the US Constitution is free immigration – this is why Congress has to pass laws that restrict it.
     
    Geez. Seriously? Well yeah, ok. And the "default legal setup under the US Constitution" is free rape and murder. As you know the US Constitution is very short. It is not fundamental a policy document, but a Constitution for republican self-government. Which we used to sorta have ...

    What this would be like under the Constitution of your imaginary White American Third Reich
     
    LOL. Lame. But actually funnily oh so typical. Anyone suggesting something contrary to the Jewish narrative--in my case that mass immigration is illogical bullshit--"Nazi!" For a smart people, when it comes down to it, all you have is point and sputter.

    And I will repeat again, if America ever splits up, you Old Stock white people have to take Negroes with you – you are the ones who brought them here. No fair adopting a pit bull and then when there is a divorce you try to foist it on your spouse.
     
    No, we don't. We are a free people, we do not have to do what you want.

    I keep explaining and explaining and explaining this to you Jack. The "natural" default is that people live in their own communities, with their own people and culture. Their lives, their rules.

    I realize--we all realize--that the Jewish narrative is that the Jewish community is a community and all other communities are ... up for grabs. And--of course--"anti-Semitic" if Jews are not allowed to come in a middle man in them. But that's just bullshit. No other people have to do "what's good for the Jews" unless you are able to hold a gun to their heads.

    If--in the unlikely event--there is separation, the Jewish minoritarian diktat will inherently be over in the explicitly American (non-minoritarian) community. The whole point of any such community would be a return to sane republican self-government that prioritizes the majoritarian interest in the survival and continuance of the nation for "ourselves and our posterity"-- rule of law, traditional American style Western Civilization, normative hetrosexuality, family, fertility, children, oh and Christmas ;-)

    If you clean up your act and stop spouting this minoritarian bullshit, you could probably come along with the other American-Americans in Montgomery County. But if you keep it up then you'll be stuck with the rainbow people. If some of you rainbow types then decide you aren't happy with the blacks ... that's not my problem. (Like Steve I see the whole "Rainbow" thing as inherently unstable. A coalition of parasites, basically held together with "the evil racist white Christian heterosexuals are oppressing you!" trope.)


    No fair ...
     
    American Jews really should not talk about "fair". A people less gracious, more lacking in gratitude and basic reciprocity may not exist on this planet.

    The US never was anything like Japan – it’s just not a good model for American culture. Most Americans would feel straight jacketed by having to live in a place like Japan.
     
    Duh. America is/was a Western Christian nation--Anglo division. Japan is Japan.

    But your idea that America was historically some sort of multi-culti pig pile, is nonsense. Most Americans lived in what were simply the mildly Euro-syncretistic American white cultural norms of their particular region. (I grew up in Cincinnati ... but essentially entirely around a bunch of mixed--mostly Germanic/Anglo--white American people in my suburb.) You go out to rural America ... and it's still that way. A bunch of fairly generic American white people living in American culture. And they do not feel "straightjacketed" at all. They like who they are and how they live.

    Again, i keep pointing it out. Jews are used to being a separate community, separate from but living inside the larger community that they middle man. They have psychological ticks evolved to deal with it. But Jews are outliers. Normal people are not like that. They live in their communities, with their culture ... and are perfect happy with their terrible, terrible--"white bread" for whites--communities.
     

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Jack D, @Anon

    What a surprise, the Ukrainian shill is an open borders shill.

  99. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    The problem with blaming everything on the Jews is that even if you get rid of the Jews nothing really changes because they aren’t really the root cause of the problem to begin with.
     
    Jack--

    For the record, I have never blamed the current crisis entirely on the Jews. I have listed--several times--5, 6, or 7 reasons (depending on how you count). And the zeroth order reason is "the nature of white people"--i.e. the psychological openness, empathy, universality of Western Christian peoples. (A strength in building high-trust nations, but a weakness in the present age.) The Japanese for instance who took a particular Japanese, non-Christian approach to building their high trust nation are a much different and apparently tougher nut.

    Two of the bigger reasons:
    1) "Diversity is the health of the state".
    I did not coin "minoritarianism". This rogue ideology is pretty obvious once you open your eyes and other smart people--John Derbyshire--beat me to giving it the obvious label. But I do think I'm the first to come up with "Diversity is the health of the state".

    Managing diversity--a replacement for war--empowers the state. And diverse peoples both a) balkanize the population weakening resistance to the managers and b) provide a vote bank for the state party.

    2) Cheap labor.
    The siren call of cheap labor is a driver. And also just the general idea of the free flow of goods, capital and labor are appealing for the people who are the "winners" with the free flow of goods, capital and labor. And, of course, those people are powerful, influential and can buy lackeys to propagandize.

    But I've got several more.


    What I do claim is that
    -- minoritarianism--majorities oppressive/evil; minorities oppressed/virtuous--is fundamentally a Jewish concocted/propagandize/driven/enforced ideology. (The idea that a smart, verbal, wealthy, influential minority drove minoritarianism is supposed to be shocking or something. Actually the reverse would be bizarre. That minorities push minoritarianism is the height of ordinary self-interest.)

    -- immigrationism as an ideology and moral conceit is a heavily Jewish drive ideology.
    Jews are a minority who have existed for two thousand years middle manning in other people's nations. They like other people's nations being open for their middle manning and they they like the idea that there's someplace to run to when they natives inevitably get pissed at them. So again, that Jews have been the super-pushers of immigration as a moral ideology is hardly surprising.

    -- anti-geneticism
    Not one of my big two, but I would also say Jews have been the big--really the only--drivers of the anti-empirical, anti-genetic ideology ideology pretty much against all the Anglo guys who figured out and mathematically systematized the field. This one is crystal clear on the people--the top ten anti-scientists could form a minyan. But it's less obvious on the driver. Basically it seems to be the desire to generally deny (for white gentiles) the existence of ethno-national interests.


    In sum, I give Jews the primary credit/blame for developing and propagandizing the minoritarian ideological and attitudinal environment we are now in. For the moral inversion, where breaking nations and screwing the ordinary working man is elite "good think".

    Replies: @neutral, @Jack D

    For the record, I have never blamed the current crisis entirely on the Je

    That is the problem, because ultimately they are entirely to blame for the crises.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @neutral

    Post-Christian guilt is a big part of it too. Europeans go nuts when they lose their religion.

  100. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @HammerJack
    Just one more glimpse of Not Your Father's Wall Street Journal...

    https://i.ibb.co/JBqSBxV/Capture-2022-03-20-23-36-13-2.png

    Their hero!

    ...............................................................

    PS: I'd gladly go "back" to Europe, except that 1) they aren't accepting white people and 2) there's no Europe any more. Coincidentally enough.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin

    The Rene Girard mimetic aspects of modern cosmo-politix are underrated. It turned out plenty of liberals secretly yearned to be Wall Street Journal-reading, corporation-worshiping yuppies, and now have given themselves permission to be that. It’s not that different from Condoleezza Rice and the Republicans deciding in 2003 that they’d like to be evangelical Wilsonians on behalf of desperate Iraqis yearning to breathe free. Many more s.o.b. greedhead Reps like Cheney were just puppeteering that virtue signal, though.

    It’ll be interesting to learn eventually who was pulling the strings on the puppet bo-bo liberal masses.

  101. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Jack, this goy boy can go toe-to-toe with your Jewish lawyering all day long.


    The Bible constantly talks about “the stranger among you” – which rules do and don’t apply to them, “stranger” being Bible speak for non-Israelites. This makes it clear that there were always non-Israelite people living in their territories and the historical record bears this out.
     
    What it makes clear is that Jews had a strong sense of their community and policing their community's boundaries. (Normal as I have been pointing out.)

    In fact, Jews are actually notable not in being open, but in being very particular, very strong policing their community boundary. So much so they actually have a bunch of religious b.s. enforcing that. However, since their diaspora, they have been doing it inside other people's territory. Which leads to their weird, hypocritical "my community is special, wonderful, sacred ... your community is shit and must be open to everyone" shtick, that unfortunately their have inflicted on the rest of us.


    2. In the absence of immigration laws, immigration is unrestricted. The default legal setup under the US Constitution is free immigration – this is why Congress has to pass laws that restrict it.
     
    Geez. Seriously? Well yeah, ok. And the "default legal setup under the US Constitution" is free rape and murder. As you know the US Constitution is very short. It is not fundamental a policy document, but a Constitution for republican self-government. Which we used to sorta have ...

    What this would be like under the Constitution of your imaginary White American Third Reich
     
    LOL. Lame. But actually funnily oh so typical. Anyone suggesting something contrary to the Jewish narrative--in my case that mass immigration is illogical bullshit--"Nazi!" For a smart people, when it comes down to it, all you have is point and sputter.

    And I will repeat again, if America ever splits up, you Old Stock white people have to take Negroes with you – you are the ones who brought them here. No fair adopting a pit bull and then when there is a divorce you try to foist it on your spouse.
     
    No, we don't. We are a free people, we do not have to do what you want.

    I keep explaining and explaining and explaining this to you Jack. The "natural" default is that people live in their own communities, with their own people and culture. Their lives, their rules.

    I realize--we all realize--that the Jewish narrative is that the Jewish community is a community and all other communities are ... up for grabs. And--of course--"anti-Semitic" if Jews are not allowed to come in a middle man in them. But that's just bullshit. No other people have to do "what's good for the Jews" unless you are able to hold a gun to their heads.

    If--in the unlikely event--there is separation, the Jewish minoritarian diktat will inherently be over in the explicitly American (non-minoritarian) community. The whole point of any such community would be a return to sane republican self-government that prioritizes the majoritarian interest in the survival and continuance of the nation for "ourselves and our posterity"-- rule of law, traditional American style Western Civilization, normative hetrosexuality, family, fertility, children, oh and Christmas ;-)

    If you clean up your act and stop spouting this minoritarian bullshit, you could probably come along with the other American-Americans in Montgomery County. But if you keep it up then you'll be stuck with the rainbow people. If some of you rainbow types then decide you aren't happy with the blacks ... that's not my problem. (Like Steve I see the whole "Rainbow" thing as inherently unstable. A coalition of parasites, basically held together with "the evil racist white Christian heterosexuals are oppressing you!" trope.)


    No fair ...
     
    American Jews really should not talk about "fair". A people less gracious, more lacking in gratitude and basic reciprocity may not exist on this planet.

    The US never was anything like Japan – it’s just not a good model for American culture. Most Americans would feel straight jacketed by having to live in a place like Japan.
     
    Duh. America is/was a Western Christian nation--Anglo division. Japan is Japan.

    But your idea that America was historically some sort of multi-culti pig pile, is nonsense. Most Americans lived in what were simply the mildly Euro-syncretistic American white cultural norms of their particular region. (I grew up in Cincinnati ... but essentially entirely around a bunch of mixed--mostly Germanic/Anglo--white American people in my suburb.) You go out to rural America ... and it's still that way. A bunch of fairly generic American white people living in American culture. And they do not feel "straightjacketed" at all. They like who they are and how they live.

    Again, i keep pointing it out. Jews are used to being a separate community, separate from but living inside the larger community that they middle man. They have psychological ticks evolved to deal with it. But Jews are outliers. Normal people are not like that. They live in their communities, with their culture ... and are perfect happy with their terrible, terrible--"white bread" for whites--communities.
     

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Jack D, @Anon

    and are perfect happy with their terrible, terrible–“white bread” for whites–communities

    The reason people in rural areas are happy (not that they all are – there is a lot of unhappiness/drug use, etc. among rural whites) is that there is a selection effect. The people who don’t feel as if they fit in into their rural community or want to live an “alternative lifestyle” leave for the big city. NY, LA, SF, etc. are full of refugees from small town America.

    The coastal big cities (esp. but not only NY) were always wildly multicultural and filled not only with furreners but with all those refugees from rural and suburban America who wanted to get away from the stifling norms and judgments of small town life.

    This has always existed and will continue to exist without needing your lame brained “separate countries” idea. This idea was already tried once in America and it didn’t work out. America is one country and will remain that way I hope.

    You are like the blind man and the elephant. You have a particular memory of a particular time and and place in America when you were growing up , a time that happened to be a high water mark for low immigration due to the 1924 Act (Cincinnati was once upon a time full of German immigrants) and a suburb that was very white (Cincinnati, being just over the river from slave country always had blacks IIRC) and you assume that that is somehow the “real” America but it was just YOUR particular America, not all of America.

    My childhood America in Brooklyn (before I move to the farm) was absolutely nothing like your America. In the tenement where I lived, which was built for the immigrant crowd, I don’t think any “real” Americans had lived in that neighborhood since the Dutch farmers sold out to the land developers in the mid-19th century. But I understand that wasn’t the real America either, it was just one slice of America which was just as real as all the other Americas. America is not just one thing even if you think it is. It never was and it never will be.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  102. @BB753
    @Corvinus

    Those earlier waves were indeed undesirable and were allowed to enter into America by elites to wage demographic and economic war on the native or as you put it "true" The Fed, Roosevelt's Great Society would not have passed before 1840.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    The Fed, Roosevelt’s Great Society would not have passed before 1840.

    Federal welfare largesse, and the income taxation that paid (or attempted to pay) for it all, were most popular in Dixie, followed by the West and the Rockies, where Old Stock Americans were still in the majority. Where immigration made the difference was in the cities of the Northeast and the future Rust Belt. In which presidential election did Massachusetts’s electors first go Democratic?

    [MORE]

    1928.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar

    After that they only went Republican for POTUS in '52, '56, '80, and '84. They only got a plurality in '80. (John Anderson took some of the liberal vote.) In '80 and '84 there was this guy with an Irish surname at the top of the GOP ticket.

  103. @Batman
    Hispanics will be fully white in 60 years. They are basically where the Italians were in 1940. That said, Italian Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

    Replies: @guest007, @Hibernian, @Anonymous

    That said, Italian Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

    Not anymore.

    • Agree: Hhsiii
  104. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    There is not some reservoir of young qualified right wing reporters that they could draw upon even if they wanted to.
     
    IMHO, the idea that someone has to be specially "qualified" to compile and summarizing data is a fallacy. Any diligent and intelligent person can do it. This is demonstrated every day by the legion of "amateur" bloggers who do a vastly better job of compiling and analyzing facts than the hack MSM "journalists" whose only specialized skill is narrative management.

    Also IMHO, it is not a good business model to deliberately provide a service that your customers don't want. WSJ subscribers don't want woke propaganda. They subscribe for the financial coverage and editorials. Maybe 20% of Americans are wokesters. Whereas 90% of journalism is woke. Simple math says media companies are leaving huge amounts of money on the table in order to indulge the individual prejudices of their reporters.

    If his Twitter deal works out, maybe Elon can start a company whose business model is to acquire and de-wokeify media properties.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Journalism as a profession, and journalism schools, are a joke. Hire humanities and social science majors, not from the Ivy League, but from Wheaton College, The University of Dallas, etc.

  105. @Pincher Martin
    @guest007

    How does the racial composition of Compton affect any white in the state?

    Spudboy's point still remains even when conceding your factual statement: When Compton was black, California Republicans had a good chance at winning statewide elections on conservative platforms. Now because of the high pace of immigration over several decades, Republicans have no impact on state politics at all.

    Both conservatism and libertarianism are the politics of white Americans. Even most western European nations have dropped those political ideologies. They have almost no salience outside of the U.S. So outsiders to California are not going to help resuscitate them.

    Only Compton has benefitted from increased Hispanic immigration, and Compton's fortunes are relatively unimportant compared to those of the state of California and the nation.

    Replies: @guest007

    But would whites want to live in an area with a large number of blacks or a large number of hispanics. The Compton data shows that progressive whites do not mind large hispanic immigration because that immigration pushes blacks out of the state. That is why blacks have been moving out of California. Blacks make up 8% of Los Angeles county and 11% of Alameda County. The race riots that occurred after the Rodney King verdict could hot happen today because there are not enough blacks to riot.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @guest007


    But would whites want to live in an area with a large number of blacks or a large number of hispanics.
     
    If forced to choose between those two alternatives, they quite clearly would choose to live in Hispanic neighborhoods.

    But given a wider and more realistic set of choices, most whites would choose to live in neither. And that happens to resemble the world we live in today. Most white people in CA carve out socioeconomic enclaves that enable them to avoid living in Hispanic- and especially black-dominated neighborhoods


    The Compton data shows that progressive whites do not mind large hispanic immigration because that immigration pushes blacks out of the state.
     
    Nothing in Compton's data allows you to come to such a conclusion. Immigration into the state (of both Hispanics and Asians) has not just pushed a few blacks out of the state, it has also pushed a lot more whites out of the state.

    There are fewer non-Hispanic whites in California now (13.7 million) than there were in 1990 (17 million). Some of that might be due to recategorization, as many Californians either choose not to identify as white in 2020 who might have - or whose parents might have - identified as white in 1990, or because one of their white parents intermarried with another race and they chose to identify as something other than white.

    But most of the reduction is due to white workers and the elderly moving out of the state.

    Meanwhile, the black population in California in 2020 is almost identical to what it was in 2020. Around 2.1 million.

    So immigration has been more successful in pushing whites out of California than it has in pushing blacks out of California.


    Blacks make up 8% of Los Angeles county and 11% of Alameda County. The race riots that occurred after the Rodney King verdict could hot happen today because there are not enough blacks to riot.
     
    Yeah, look at the lack of violent BLM protests in Portland (6% black) and Seattle (7% black) recently.

    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Escher, @guest007

    , @Richard B
    @guest007


    But would whites want to live in an area with a large number of blacks or a large number of hispanics.
     
    Obviously whites want to live with other whites.

    In any event, your Either/Or question proves that The Great Replacement is no theory.

  106. “We Can Replace Them” – Michelle Goldberg, 02 November 2018

    “An embittered white conservative minority clings to power, terrified of being swamped by a new multiracial polyglot majority… In a few days, voters can do to White nationalists what they fear the most – replace them.”

    https://www.pressreader.com/usa/las-vegas-review-journal/20181102/282621738720771

    • Thanks: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @beavertales

    There were a spate of articles after Charlottesville in various MSM outlets on the general theme:

    "Yes, We Will Replace You!"

    And yet to say that they are trying to replace us is a "conspiracy theory".

    , @Alden
    @beavertales

    Do the Casinos and clubs plan to replace the gorgeous WHITE showgirls and WHITE pretty waitresses dealers hotel clerks with short fat flat chested huge bellied swarthy Central American women?

    What about the hookers and escorts? Replaced by the pudgy Tijuana gals?

  107. @Reg Cæsar
    @BB753


    The Fed, Roosevelt’s Great Society would not have passed before 1840.
     
    Federal welfare largesse, and the income taxation that paid (or attempted to pay) for it all, were most popular in Dixie, followed by the West and the Rockies, where Old Stock Americans were still in the majority. Where immigration made the difference was in the cities of the Northeast and the future Rust Belt. In which presidential election did Massachusetts's electors first go Democratic?




    1928.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    After that they only went Republican for POTUS in ’52, ’56, ’80, and ’84. They only got a plurality in ’80. (John Anderson took some of the liberal vote.) In ’80 and ’84 there was this guy with an Irish surname at the top of the GOP ticket.

  108. @Achmed E. Newman
    That's indeed the case for the journalists and D politicians, but (sarcasm filter employed) I think you give the GOP pols too much credit. They have let this go way too far for way too long. Maybe it's not low IQ but a lack of integrity to do what's right. They have been loyal to their Big-Biz donors, and they want to fit in in the beltway cocktail party circuit.

    That fits in with what you say about "We're Good". Many go over to the "Good People" side out of cowardice and lack of integrity.

    What Tucker sometimes gets into is the REAL overarching reason the elites want mass immigration. It's not just for the votes, though importing people from countries with no concept of freedom/rights/etc. certainly helps in this. They want to eliminate the White Middle Class, period. The White Middle Class has (had?) disposable income, extra time, and great organizational skills to compete against the rich in business ventures and in politics. They don't like that!

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden, @Jonathan Mason, @Richard B

    I don’t think the GOP and the capitalist pigs really want to eliminate the White middle and upper middle class Whites. If they did, whose taxes would provide the food cards welfare section 8 and other government housing low income utilities and medical care for the below minimum wage immigrant illegal workers?

    If their women and children were starving unable to get medical care, had their babies at home because they couldn’t afford hospital births and a big part of their starvation wage was basic bus fare to get to work.

    Why all those immigrants might just start doing what the European immigrants did 130, 100 years ago. Start forming labor unions, electing pro worker politicians and agitating to close the borders and enforce the closing.

    So the GOP needs the taxes of the White middle and upper middle class to support their minimum and below minimum wage work force.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Alden

    Alden, these "Capitalist Pigs", or Crony Capitalists, to be accurate, don't look 20 years ahead at the future of their country. I think you give them too much credit. They want the cheap labor at all levels, including the (formerly-solid) middle class in the IT field and in Engineering. That's why they keep pushing for more H-1B and other special visas for those higher-paying jobs that "Americans just won't do"*

    The Chinese and Indians are treated as indentured servants, which is something they put up with to get that green card and eventually bring over 5 more people. That's what the elites like - these people CAN'T form unions or raise any hell over 60 hour work weeks or change jobs. The White Middle Class wouldn't put up with that. Hence, they need to be gone.

    Lots of the GOP pols, as I wrote are (actually, FEEL) beholden to the big donors who think as I said.

    Oh, about those taxes? Taxes don't pay for even 3/4 of the national spending anymore. You just borrow and borrow... everybody does it...

    .

    *. I can remember only 20 years ago, when a bright young man with no college degree could pick a place he wanted to live and THEN find a computer job in a few weeks.

  109. @dearieme
    There are signs in Britain that the Moslems are all voting Labour (or more than "all" since nice Toni Blair changed the rules to make it easier to cheat on voting). There are signs that Hindus might therefore increasingly vote Conservative.

    All very vibrant.

    Replies: @Charon, @Martin Davies, @Alden, @anonymouseperson

    I thought the Muslims and blacks voted solid labor back 50, 60 years ago when they first arrived.

  110. @dearieme
    There are signs in Britain that the Moslems are all voting Labour (or more than "all" since nice Toni Blair changed the rules to make it easier to cheat on voting). There are signs that Hindus might therefore increasingly vote Conservative.

    All very vibrant.

    Replies: @Charon, @Martin Davies, @Alden, @anonymouseperson

    The Labour party are all traitors. Why English people vote for them is inexplicable.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anonymouseperson


    The Labour party are all traitors. Why English people vote for them is inexplicable.
     
    Benefits.
  111. @Peter Akuleyev
    Democrats promote immigration policies that are in the Democrats’ electoral self-interest.

    Except they don't. Maybe they think that's what they are doing but diluting the black population with Latinos and Asians is a self defeating strategy for the Left over the long term - those groups are naturally socially conservative and eventually come around to the same realization that in the end American politics is blacks vs. everyone else.

    Bringing in more blacks from Africa would make sense from the Democrats point of view, but they have not had resounding success so far. But watch this space.

    Replies: @Charon, @Spud Boy, @Arclight, @guest007, @Alden, @Deadite

    Hispanics are naturally conservative? American Hispanics have very high rates of unmarried teen and younger teen pregnancies high rates of illegitimate kids high rates of couples living together for 20 30 years unmarried high rates of abortions very high rates of criminality and incarceration high rates of welfare.

    Despite the fact that they are either luke warm Roman Catholics or fervent Evangelical Protestants, you can’t call people conservatives when they have such high rates of abortion teen and young teen pregnancies illegitimate kids criminality and incarceration.

    What have you been doing, re reading 1980s National Review archives?

    California in 1960 was basically democrat cities and Republican suburban and rural counties. As the number of Hispanics increased so did the number of counties that turned Democrat.

    • Agree: Pincher Martin
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Alden

    So a definition of a conservative is somebody who uses birth control?

    , @Anon
    @Alden

    Hispanic immigrants, on the whole, have not perpetuated the self supporting parish school system like other Catholic immigrants did before them. Many Catholic schools in Mexican neighborhoods have closed, but many new public school buildings have been constructed in those supposedly Catholic neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    , @Zero Philosopher
    @Alden

    "Hispanics are naturally conservative? American Hispanics have very high rates of unmarried teen and younger teen pregnancies high rates of illegitimate kids high rates of couples living together for 20 30 years unmarried high rates of abortions very high rates of criminality and incarceration high rates of welfare."

    Breeding out of wedlock and at a young age does not mean one is not conservative. Quite the opposite. Texas, arguably the "reddest" and most Republican state in the Union has one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancies in the country.

    Do you know who are the people that are most likely to stay married for life, have just one or no kids - and at much older ages - and invest heavily in their education when they have them? White upper middle-class liberals. Especially white upper-middle class liberals from the bluest cities like New York, San Franciso, Boston, etc. How is that for "conservative" values?

    Replies: @Alden

  112. Well, conspiracy or not, there certainly is a plan. And that hateful, little supremacist shits like this have any influence or say over our destiny tells you all that is needed to know about us. America can’t end soon enough, what comes after will be better and little shits will have zero influence.

    “A supermajority of us Jews understand what it means to be treated as The Other, and know that a white-dominated America is one in which we cannot be truly safe or free, that we need a diverse and pluralistic America. The Ultra-Orthodox are off doing their own thing. This isn’t…”

    “Yep, as I understand it from half-remembering posts of yours, you and I have different ideas of the role that white racism plays in America – you’d consider it ‘one real problem among many’, basically, whereas I consider it the fundamental root of many of the ills of our society?”

    “.a ‘replacement’ in any sense; nobody is expelling anybody. White people are just losing their unfair numerical advantage, which they’ve historically leveraged into political advantages via white identity/grievance politics. Going from unearned dominance to ‘just another group’.”

  113. man it’s fun watching Jack D., quintessential tough jew, rout these hicks every day

    sorry, hicks, in deplorostan no one can hear you scream for a DQ triplestack

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @kahein

    You must be reading a different thread. AnotherDad pounded JackD into the gound.

    Jack D, you know a lot about a lot and are helpful about spreading that knowledge. I seem to agree with you on ideology 90% of the time. On the immigration issue, you've been reaching for lots of BS that not everyone goes for anymore.

    Do you really think that only the one group of people should not be able to live by themselves on the land they settled over 400 years?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jonathan Mason

  114. @William Badwhite
    @AnotherDad


    Only when the US is so crowded and diversely incompetent/unpleasant
     
    AD, just this week the Bezos Post had an "analysis" of the Colorado River and how it is in "crisis".

    This is in the very first sentence: "The Colorado River plays a pivotal role in the American West, supplying water to more than 40 million people"

    Nowhere in the article do they question WHY we have 40mm people living in the arid Southwest. It is just accepted, part of nature, nothing anyone can do. Better to hand-wring and talk about "drought", the definition of drought being "less precipitation than we would like".

    Immigration has been a disaster for this nation - culturally, politically, and ecologically.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Alden

    Nowhere in the article do they question WHY we have 40mm people living in the arid Southwest. It is just accepted, part of nature, nothing anyone can do. Better to hand-wring and talk about “drought”, the definition of drought being “less precipitation than we would like”.

    Running into the wall of limited water resources is one fact that the bourgeois immigration enthusiasts can’t bullsh*t there way around. There either is or isn’t enough water. Coders from India, hustling landscapers from Mexico won’t bring a single drop of water. It will really concentrate the minds of people when it will cost \$5 just to flush a toilet in, say, Phoenix or Vegas. That day is close, very close.

  115. @Jack D
    @Anon

    There is no such thing. Aside from the fact that as Israel classifies "Jews" it includes black Africans that aren't really Jewish at all, Israel, like any modern high labor cost country is full of aliens, both legal and illegal - Filipino elder care ladies, Thai farm workers, illegal aliens from Africa doing construction, etc. The imaginary "hypocritical" Israel that exists in your head is nothing like the actual place.

    The #1 driver of the Great Replacement is not the Democrat desire to elect a new people but differences in wage levels between the 3rd world and the 1st world. This difference in wage levels is like two bodies of water at different levels - as long as the levels are different there is going to be pressure to equalize them. You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.

    In any case, you can't really compare Israel, a tiny country that was founded as the world's one and only Jewish state, with a vast multiethnic country like the US that has no such religious mandate.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @AnotherDad, @SunBakedSuburb, @Hypnotoad666, @ginger bread man, @silviosilver

    Israel has a complex, Frankenstein immigration system that serves different purposes at different times.

    At first glance, the ultimate goal of Israeli immigration policy appears to be to encourage Jewish immigration.

    The primary pillar of their immigration system is the “law of return”, which grants Jews and partial Jews automatic refugee status. While on paper those who attain refugee status need to go through a process adjust this status to citizenship, in practice citizenship is conferred automatically upon entry for those who can prove/are deemed to be Jewish. While this admitted significant populations of Jews in the early 1950s and the early 90s, today the annual number of Jews who gain citizenship this way is around 5K/year (even though the Israeli gov’t will claim numbers closer to 10/15k). Who is and isn’t a Jew for the purposes of this law is an Interesting question, which I will discuss further down in this comment.

    Israel explicitly bars Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank from obtaining citizenship.
    The main avenue For non-Jews to gain citizenship in Israel is to marry an Israeli citizen. Non Jewish spouses of Israelis need to apply through a tedious process that takes 5-7 years if all goes right. About 50 people a year are admitted this way, mostly European non-Jews. Palestinians who marry an Israeli Arab cannot gain citizenship through this method.

    While these laws make it look like Israel wants to encourage Jewish immigration and discourage non-Jewish immigration, the Israeli government uses its immigration system to further its policies of social separation and Arab demographic inferiority.

    Officially, the Israeli rabbinate and decides who is Jewish enough to get Israeli citizenship. However, the Israeli government limits who can even begin this process.

    Jews who have voluntarily adopted another religion are excluded from who can gain Israeli citizenship, (after a formerly Jewish Friar who wished to gain a post at a Church in Palestine applied for citizenship though he law of return. While he was granted citizenship, the law changed to disallow future “ex-Jews” from gaining citizenship in that way.)

    Other people excluded from this port of entry are African Jews who while fully practicing Judaism, are considered not Jewish enough by Israeli authorities. (https://www.timesofisrael.com/kenya-jewish-leader-denied-entry-to-israel-deported-to-ethiopia/amp/) in effect, Israel is doing what trump advocated for, which is barring immigration from “shithole countries”.

    This becomes clear when contrasting this exclusion of questionable Jews with the 150,000 marginal Jews who were granted Israeli citizenship in the early 1990s. Some of them had Jewish blood, but many of them simply had Jewish sounding names or lied to gain entry. Some of these immigrants even created Neo Nazi gangs that attacked religious Jews in the Jewish state. ( https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna20668855)

    These people sound quite dangerous to the concept of a safe haven for Jews. Why did Israel let them in you may ask? One answer might be that Israel practices racial preferences in its immigration policy and prefers white partial Jews to Black Jews.

    But, my theory is that Israel wants to minimize the percentage and political cohesiveness of Arab minority. The non-Jewish Russians will not join the Palestinians in their quest for political or social equality. These groups are natural enemies. African Jews, while ostensibly on the same side as the white Jews, may find solidarity with the Palestinians and join their fight against the “white oppressors”.

    Regarding the roughly 700k Filipino, Thai and other foreign workers in Israel, these individuals and their children are not granted citizenship. These foreign workers were brought to Israel in the early 90s following the first intifada. Arabs from within Israel were cheap sources of labor from 1948-1967. Arabs from the West Bank and Gaza served as even cheaper sources of labor From 1967 to around 1988, when they uprise against the Israelis. The government wanted nothing to do with this population and made the decision to import tens of thousands of East Asians to do the work that the Palestinians used to do. This ostensibly made the Jews safer as potentially dangerous terrorist would have fewer chances to attack them. It also gave them psychic comfort in that those who Israel dispossessed in 1948 of their homes and livelihoods would longer be in their homes cleaning or taking care of their elderly parents.

    This coincided with the transition of the Israeli economy from socialism to neoliberal capitalism and the replacement of Jewish labor as a core value of Israeli society with economic growth.

  116. @Alden
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Hispanics are naturally conservative? American Hispanics have very high rates of unmarried teen and younger teen pregnancies high rates of illegitimate kids high rates of couples living together for 20 30 years unmarried high rates of abortions very high rates of criminality and incarceration high rates of welfare.

    Despite the fact that they are either luke warm Roman Catholics or fervent Evangelical Protestants, you can’t call people conservatives when they have such high rates of abortion teen and young teen pregnancies illegitimate kids criminality and incarceration.

    What have you been doing, re reading 1980s National Review archives?

    California in 1960 was basically democrat cities and Republican suburban and rural counties. As the number of Hispanics increased so did the number of counties that turned Democrat.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Anon, @Zero Philosopher

    So a definition of a conservative is somebody who uses birth control?

  117. Anonymous[948] • Disclaimer says:
    @Batman
    Hispanics will be fully white in 60 years. They are basically where the Italians were in 1940. That said, Italian Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

    Replies: @guest007, @Hibernian, @Anonymous

    Dream on.
    There are approx. 12 million Americans of full/partial Italian ancestry vs over 40 MILLION Hispanics (roughly 4x the size). It’s quite likely that the number of illegal Hispanics and their anchor babies alone outnumber all the Americans Italian ancestry.

    I think your conflating the two groups (Italians, Mexicans) b/c they both speak a Latin language and are mostly Roman Catholic. Heck even their flags are similar! Plus both have great cuisines!

    Then there’s issues of phenotypic/genotypic differences. “Hispanics” are largely Euro/Amerindian mixes and while Italian migrants did come disproportionately from southern Italy, (where people tend to be duskier and average IQ somewhat lower that the prototypical American of NW Euro ancestry), HALF of these migrants ultimately returned to Italy b/c there was no welfare state in those days, so in many regards we were left with the cream of their crop.
    Can half of our Hispanics please go back to Latin America like the Italians did and can we follow up w/ a 40 year pause on immigration too?! Is that too much to ask?! Pretty please??

    12 million olive-skinned Caucasians from Italy a century ago is not the same as this never-ending nightmare of tens of millions of Amerindian/mestizo chulos flooding the country. And even the olive-skinned, roman nosed Italian American stereotype doesn’t cover all 12 million, since some are of Northern Italian extraction who phenotypically and genotypicaly overlapping a large degree w/ NW Euros who formed the original basis of America’s white pop.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  118. Anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @guest007
    @Spud Boy

    Whites in places like California benefit from increased Latino immigration pushing blacks out of California. Remember Steve's obsession about Compton which is not 70% Latino but Compton High School is 80% Latino. One would suspect that the 19% of the students who are black want to get out of Compton as fast as possible.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Anonymous

    And they’re sent to destroy Flyover Country.

  119. …living together for 20 30 years unmarried…

    Very rare regardless of race, creed, color, national origin, income level, or social status.

  120. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Prude
    @Nodwink

    The owners of capital love immigration: More demand. More demand for housing, for phones, for cars, for food. More, more, more. Every Fortune 500 MBA knows the only path up the greasy ladder is to increase sales. More, more, more.

    Americans, real Americans, not paper Americans, don't want More. They have enough. And they aren't having children. That doesn't help the MBA, the business owners and the corporations, so they crowd in more people to increase demand and consumption.

    That More destroys the livability of the nation for the middle class? Sucks to be you.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Outstanding comment that needs more attention in alternative political circles. Why should the elite get unlimited demand for their products in exchange for the welfare of everyone else?

    • Thanks: Old Prude
  121. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    Are we just supposed to expect to establish some kind of equilibrium where the U.S. will be so populous and poor enough that people won’t be motivated to come here? That the average American will be not much better off materially than the average Cameroonian or Ecuadoran and this will finally stem the tide of in-migration?
     
    Nailed it! You nailed it Alec.

    I keep hammering/yammering away at my same old same old points. But they are obvious and important points.

    The simple and inevitable mathematical logic of immigrationism--"nation of immigrants"--is that the US must become the world's shittiest nation.

    Only when the US is so crowded and diversely incompetent/unpleasant that even the hoodlums in Haiti and Niger and think "No thanks, to shitty for me, i'll pass" will immigration finally--JackD's "naturally"--blissfully stop. Stopping it before then--at anything less than the world's dumpster-- is racism! xenophobia! Nazi stuff.

    Lots of normies think immigrationism must be "smart"--even if they personally think the changes and some of the people are not so great--because all these media "smart" people--the great and the good parrot it.

    This is partly because most people do not "do math" and are not prone to building simple models or making simple "sanity checks" the way mathy/analytical people like me do. And party because normies do not understand that these smart people are smart ... but hostile. These hostile elites do not see Americans' interests as their interests and are quite happy to trash Americans and their posterity's future.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    The simple and inevitable mathematical logic of immigrationism–“nation of immigrants”–is that the US must become the world’s shittiest nation

    The dumping ground for the global worst of the worst. A safety valve to relieve every other country of their worst citizens, from lowest to the highest.

  122. Replacement? Displacement? I dunno. The percentage of White males: 60% in sales jobs overall, as few as 30% in residential real estate; about 38% of the student body at my local Podunk Tech; about 22% of the grads at a nearby medical school.

    Maybe White dudes are themselves displacing folks in telemarketing, day labor, and Uber jobs.

  123. @Alden
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Hispanics are naturally conservative? American Hispanics have very high rates of unmarried teen and younger teen pregnancies high rates of illegitimate kids high rates of couples living together for 20 30 years unmarried high rates of abortions very high rates of criminality and incarceration high rates of welfare.

    Despite the fact that they are either luke warm Roman Catholics or fervent Evangelical Protestants, you can’t call people conservatives when they have such high rates of abortion teen and young teen pregnancies illegitimate kids criminality and incarceration.

    What have you been doing, re reading 1980s National Review archives?

    California in 1960 was basically democrat cities and Republican suburban and rural counties. As the number of Hispanics increased so did the number of counties that turned Democrat.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Anon, @Zero Philosopher

    Hispanic immigrants, on the whole, have not perpetuated the self supporting parish school system like other Catholic immigrants did before them. Many Catholic schools in Mexican neighborhoods have closed, but many new public school buildings have been constructed in those supposedly Catholic neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @Anon

    Typical Catholic church/school from urban NYC. St. Bartholemew's parish, Elmhurst, Queens. Could be a minor cathedral. Built and funded by piss-poor Irish, Guinea (I say that with more honor and affection than you could possibly know..) workers. Concrete, carpentry, plumbing, electricity, cops, firemen, etc...No whining. No whining.

    http://www.nycago.org/Organs/Qns/img/StBartholomewRCExt.jpg

    http://www.nycago.org/Organs/Qns/img/StBartholomewRC1920PC.jpg

  124. @SafeNow
    California here (i.e., I get to observe immigrants). I will add three points to the discussion:

    1. “Mirroring” on the part of many whites exists. They see “good enough” all around them, and so, at some level, they surrender to it. Thus, they self-replace their former conscientious, fastidious, proficient selves. Academic “dumbing-down” is a corollary.

    2. As Trump said, Not their best people. A leafblower immigrant is not the same as an immigrant with a degree in horticulture.

    3. I give a pass to my Chinese-American docs, who answer my stupid questions with incredible patience, politeness, and non-arrogance. Cuck me, hate me, troll me, but the fact remains they are decent and all the rest. And the vet tech. Etc.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anonymous, @Thea

    SafeNow, I have a number of doctor friends, and a lot of them are Oriental. I think doctors are good people in general, but with that said, there was no reason the American Medical Schools couldn’t have kept admitting 90% or more Americans, as in the 1980s. As with science, engineering, and IT, plenty of Americans are smart enought to fill the slots. They’ve been greatly discouraged from doing so.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @Achmed E. Newman


    They’ve been greatly discouraged from doing so.
     
    Agree 100%. See my C#114.

    The social engineering motive behind academic advisors steering competitively bright but undecided White male students away from traditional fields into lower-paid non-traditional fields was pretty much admitted to me by one advisor.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  125. Really good comment at 4chan, which recalls the comment in the Buffalo Catspaw’s discord observation that he was easily able to obtain banned magazines:

    …Anonymous (ID: UlPbBWeK)
    05/17/22(Tue)18:59:02 No.378183777
    >>378178407 #
    They’re not talking about gun control/confiscation because they don’t want anyone who knows better asking too many questions about how an 18 year old came into ownership of a rifle that is a banned “assault weapon” under New York’s NYSAFE Act.
    Plus they don’t want too get murdered during the midterms in November.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @J.Ross

    They’re not talking about gun control/confiscation because they don’t want anyone who knows better asking too many questions about how an 18 year old came into ownership of a rifle that is a banned “assault weapon” under New York’s NYSAFE Act.

    I wish I knew more about this. I heard on Mark Simone's show that this individual publicly threatened to shoot everyone in his graduating class, was picked up by the police, and psychiatrically evaluated for a day before being released. New York has "red flag" laws. And then we hear that he was still able to legally purchase a firearm?

  126. @Alden
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t think the GOP and the capitalist pigs really want to eliminate the White middle and upper middle class Whites. If they did, whose taxes would provide the food cards welfare section 8 and other government housing low income utilities and medical care for the below minimum wage immigrant illegal workers?

    If their women and children were starving unable to get medical care, had their babies at home because they couldn’t afford hospital births and a big part of their starvation wage was basic bus fare to get to work.

    Why all those immigrants might just start doing what the European immigrants did 130, 100 years ago. Start forming labor unions, electing pro worker politicians and agitating to close the borders and enforce the closing.

    So the GOP needs the taxes of the White middle and upper middle class to support their minimum and below minimum wage work force.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Alden, these “Capitalist Pigs”, or Crony Capitalists, to be accurate, don’t look 20 years ahead at the future of their country. I think you give them too much credit. They want the cheap labor at all levels, including the (formerly-solid) middle class in the IT field and in Engineering. That’s why they keep pushing for more H-1B and other special visas for those higher-paying jobs that “Americans just won’t do”*

    The Chinese and Indians are treated as indentured servants, which is something they put up with to get that green card and eventually bring over 5 more people. That’s what the elites like – these people CAN’T form unions or raise any hell over 60 hour work weeks or change jobs. The White Middle Class wouldn’t put up with that. Hence, they need to be gone.

    Lots of the GOP pols, as I wrote are (actually, FEEL) beholden to the big donors who think as I said.

    Oh, about those taxes? Taxes don’t pay for even 3/4 of the national spending anymore. You just borrow and borrow… everybody does it…

    .

    *. I can remember only 20 years ago, when a bright young man with no college degree could pick a place he wanted to live and THEN find a computer job in a few weeks.

  127. @Achmed E. Newman
    @SafeNow

    SafeNow, I have a number of doctor friends, and a lot of them are Oriental. I think doctors are good people in general, but with that said, there was no reason the American Medical Schools couldn't have kept admitting 90% or more Americans, as in the 1980s. As with science, engineering, and IT, plenty of Americans are smart enought to fill the slots. They've been greatly discouraged from doing so.

    Replies: @JackOH

    They’ve been greatly discouraged from doing so.

    Agree 100%. See my C#114.

    The social engineering motive behind academic advisors steering competitively bright but undecided White male students away from traditional fields into lower-paid non-traditional fields was pretty much admitted to me by one advisor.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @JackOH


    The social engineering motive behind
     
    Not to disagree with your comment, but social "engineering" is quite the misnomer. It lacks none of the precision of real engineering. Social alchemy is a better name for it, when you consider both the shoddiness of its principles and its complete failure to achieve its aims.

    Replies: @JackOH

  128. @guest007
    @Pincher Martin

    But would whites want to live in an area with a large number of blacks or a large number of hispanics. The Compton data shows that progressive whites do not mind large hispanic immigration because that immigration pushes blacks out of the state. That is why blacks have been moving out of California. Blacks make up 8% of Los Angeles county and 11% of Alameda County. The race riots that occurred after the Rodney King verdict could hot happen today because there are not enough blacks to riot.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Richard B

    But would whites want to live in an area with a large number of blacks or a large number of hispanics.

    If forced to choose between those two alternatives, they quite clearly would choose to live in Hispanic neighborhoods.

    But given a wider and more realistic set of choices, most whites would choose to live in neither. And that happens to resemble the world we live in today. Most white people in CA carve out socioeconomic enclaves that enable them to avoid living in Hispanic- and especially black-dominated neighborhoods

    The Compton data shows that progressive whites do not mind large hispanic immigration because that immigration pushes blacks out of the state.

    Nothing in Compton’s data allows you to come to such a conclusion. Immigration into the state (of both Hispanics and Asians) has not just pushed a few blacks out of the state, it has also pushed a lot more whites out of the state.

    There are fewer non-Hispanic whites in California now (13.7 million) than there were in 1990 (17 million). Some of that might be due to recategorization, as many Californians either choose not to identify as white in 2020 who might have – or whose parents might have – identified as white in 1990, or because one of their white parents intermarried with another race and they chose to identify as something other than white.

    But most of the reduction is due to white workers and the elderly moving out of the state.

    Meanwhile, the black population in California in 2020 is almost identical to what it was in 2020. Around 2.1 million.

    So immigration has been more successful in pushing whites out of California than it has in pushing blacks out of California.

    Blacks make up 8% of Los Angeles county and 11% of Alameda County. The race riots that occurred after the Rodney King verdict could hot happen today because there are not enough blacks to riot.

    Yeah, look at the lack of violent BLM protests in Portland (6% black) and Seattle (7% black) recently.

    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Pincher Martin


    Yeah, look at the lack of violent BLM protests in Portland (6% black) and Seattle (7% black) recently.

    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.
     
    Were there Mostly Peaceful BLM protests in Los Angeles (or anywhere else in CA) in 2020? I ask because I am trying to recall if there were major cities in California that were overwhelmed by the Mostly Peaceful in that magical year, but cannot think of any.

    I am wondering if, perhaps, BLM going berzerk in Portland and Seattle has less to do with the relative numbers of blacks found there and more to do with the idiot white hipsters in those cities being anxious to burnish their "woke" credentials.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Alden

    , @Escher
    @Pincher Martin


    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.
     
    Wonder why that has been the case?
    Perhaps blacks prefer the balmy Detroit weather?

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Alden

    , @guest007
    @Pincher Martin

    Los Angeles Unified School District is only 7.7% black and 74% Hispanic. Hispanics have pushed blacks out of Los Angeles much like they are pushing blacks out of Dallas Houston, Oakland, etc.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

  129. The Great Natural COVID Eugenic Replacement

    A Karen is currently projecting her ignorance and White Privilege about the sin of using average national IQ dataset. IQ is developed to measure cognitive ability for FUNCTIONING IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES and how other populations might perform if IN THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES or performing activities in their countries relevant to those in the DEVELOPED COUNTRIES. If they want to measure the ability to survive in dessert then by all means go and develope their own DummyIQ DIQ or the TrashIQ TIQ for surviving in the Tropical Jungle. She is also projecting her White Privilege defination of ‘retard’. In a country of sub IQ 70s, person of IQ 85 is king.

    Still, in the absent of the IQ distributions, the average national IQ dataset could be used. However it is quite easy to game the ‘average national IQ’ metric by simply exclude those on the lower tail of the IQ distribution. It is harder to game the average IQ of the smart fraction in common international setting.

    For example, Brazil pumped in large amount of money to attract the Taiwanese Foxconn to set up factory locally to manufacture iPhone but the factory closed down when the subsidy end. Brazil just does not have enough of the relevant productive and skilled workers. On the other hand Vietnam has no problem supporting the Korean Samsung mobile phone factories. A look at the average national IQ dataset can predict the potential outcomes. Foxconn is happy to comply when the subsidy is there. In the Great Natural COVID Eugenic Replacement, the average IQ of the global smart fractions seems to have suffered 16% decrease. Owing to the actions of the President of Brazil, COVID seems to have inflicted more on the country than the equivalent effects on Vietnam and thus increasing the gap. Ireland seems to be riding the relative IQ gain. Switzerland has significant pharma corps but with such poor Chemistry showing and bad COVID governance for the next generation, how long can the Swiss hold on to those pharma corps.

    The SJWonkers think that if they chant their DIE mantra often enough that it could become true. However NATURE is alway the joker that does not understand that and it could be currently conducting “THE GREAT NATURAL EUGENIC REPLACEMENT” on some populations. Many people that survive COVID could have foggy brains that reduce cognitive ability. It is very unlikely that the IQ of a smart fraction in a country can be degraded or improved by 70% in one year. Thus the number 1 suspect is COVID. Also the NORMALIZED SCORES in any competition are relative, improved scores most likely could be due to the drop in performance of the OTHER COUNTRIES. On average the lower the previous IChO20 score was the larger the IChO21 score deterioration, further increasing the IQ gap. Despite the Chinese long lockdowns and closure of schools they seems to come out intact. Glad to see that NOR and DNK relatively improved their scores by about 15% pulling further away from NGA. Not so for Switzerland which performed slightly worse than NGA. The performance of USA seems to have dropped 20% even when the 4 USA competitors are still of Asian ancestries. SWE was AWOL for IChO 2020.

    Note: Since I mention the results of IChO20 the raw scores now had disappeared. So grap those IChO21 raw data before they also disappear. https://www.icho2021.org/icho2021/results/

  130. @Gordo
    Yahoo News (sic) appear to be blaming Tucker Carlson for a recent reportable shooting.

    Replies: @Peterike

    “ Yahoo News (sic) appear to be blaming Tucker Carlson for a recent reportable shooting.”

    Yea this is trending on Twitter. They have him right where they want him. It won’t surprise me if he’s gone in a week. Fox would love to be rid of him.

  131. @guest007
    @Batman

    The Italians never benefitted from quotas, affirmative Action, set asides, ethnic groups in college, and blatantly ethnicity/race based professional organizations. Moat Latinos who go to college will probably come out militant progressive Democrats just like blacks do.

    Replies: @Batman, @Hhsiii

    And the Italian-Americans where I live are not Democrats. I’ve got a retired cop on one side, retired fireman on the other (so on the government dole, but nevertheless), and one of Steve’s auto body shop owners down the street. We got Dont Tread on Me flags on the lawns. Maybe their grandfathers were Dems.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Hhsiii

    Their grandfathers, great grandfathers, and great great grandfathers were almost certainly Democrats. To a man. And if the Italians where you live are old enough, their fathers were also Democrats.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @Hibernian

    , @Corn
    @Hhsiii

    If Italian-Americans aren’t on our side we should try to bring them over. I remember a few years back someone here said in their experience Italians don’t turn to jelly when someone cries “Racist!” the way Nordics do.

    Replies: @Anon

  132. @HammerJack
    Late-breaking WWH update! Women and POCs are demanding the right to work from home forever.

    This woman says that a female colleague complimented her on her hair when she was wearing it one way, leading her to the natural conclusion that the remark was actually a veiled insult regarding the way she wore it another day.

    https://i.ibb.co/T4KWWxH/Screenshot-20220517-072232-Firefox.jpg

    It ain't your father's Wall Street Journal anymore

    https://archive.ph/cVUw1

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Hypnotoad666, @Harry Baldwin, @AceDeuce, @Moses

    a female colleague complimented her on her hair

    Maybe she got mad because she interpreted it as sarcasm. She hates the way her hair looks.

    On the other hand, I notice it’s common among women to compliment each other’s hairstyle, sincerely or not. My adult daughter will do it to complete strangers, like the cashier at the supermarket. It’s an innocuous compliment, generally well received.

  133. @HammerJack
    Just one more glimpse of Not Your Father's Wall Street Journal...

    https://i.ibb.co/JBqSBxV/Capture-2022-03-20-23-36-13-2.png

    Their hero!

    ...............................................................

    PS: I'd gladly go "back" to Europe, except that 1) they aren't accepting white people and 2) there's no Europe any more. Coincidentally enough.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin

    Stephen Colbert on Faith, Comedy and Calling Trump’s Mouth Putin’s Cock Holster.

    What a classy guy. So full of love.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  134. @RobP
    Well-played, Sir!!

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man. Conspiracy implies a committee that meets and decides on plans with specific goals and purposes and then executes those plans through agents, with all parties more or less aware of what is going on.

    Yeah, and that never happens…….cough (Bilderberg), cough (Atlantic Council), cough (World Economic Forum), cough (Sun Valley).

    Those rich and influential people only gather in Davos to compete in curling and practice their yodeling.

  135. @beavertales
    "We Can Replace Them" - Michelle Goldberg, 02 November 2018

    "An embittered white conservative minority clings to power, terrified of being swamped by a new multiracial polyglot majority... In a few days, voters can do to White nationalists what they fear the most - replace them."


    https://www.pressreader.com/usa/las-vegas-review-journal/20181102/282621738720771

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Alden

    There were a spate of articles after Charlottesville in various MSM outlets on the general theme:

    “Yes, We Will Replace You!”

    And yet to say that they are trying to replace us is a “conspiracy theory”.

  136. Anonymous[626] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pincher Martin
    @guest007


    But would whites want to live in an area with a large number of blacks or a large number of hispanics.
     
    If forced to choose between those two alternatives, they quite clearly would choose to live in Hispanic neighborhoods.

    But given a wider and more realistic set of choices, most whites would choose to live in neither. And that happens to resemble the world we live in today. Most white people in CA carve out socioeconomic enclaves that enable them to avoid living in Hispanic- and especially black-dominated neighborhoods


    The Compton data shows that progressive whites do not mind large hispanic immigration because that immigration pushes blacks out of the state.
     
    Nothing in Compton's data allows you to come to such a conclusion. Immigration into the state (of both Hispanics and Asians) has not just pushed a few blacks out of the state, it has also pushed a lot more whites out of the state.

    There are fewer non-Hispanic whites in California now (13.7 million) than there were in 1990 (17 million). Some of that might be due to recategorization, as many Californians either choose not to identify as white in 2020 who might have - or whose parents might have - identified as white in 1990, or because one of their white parents intermarried with another race and they chose to identify as something other than white.

    But most of the reduction is due to white workers and the elderly moving out of the state.

    Meanwhile, the black population in California in 2020 is almost identical to what it was in 2020. Around 2.1 million.

    So immigration has been more successful in pushing whites out of California than it has in pushing blacks out of California.


    Blacks make up 8% of Los Angeles county and 11% of Alameda County. The race riots that occurred after the Rodney King verdict could hot happen today because there are not enough blacks to riot.
     
    Yeah, look at the lack of violent BLM protests in Portland (6% black) and Seattle (7% black) recently.

    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Escher, @guest007

    Yeah, look at the lack of violent BLM protests in Portland (6% black) and Seattle (7% black) recently.

    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.

    Were there Mostly Peaceful BLM protests in Los Angeles (or anywhere else in CA) in 2020? I ask because I am trying to recall if there were major cities in California that were overwhelmed by the Mostly Peaceful in that magical year, but cannot think of any.

    I am wondering if, perhaps, BLM going berzerk in Portland and Seattle has less to do with the relative numbers of blacks found there and more to do with the idiot white hipsters in those cities being anxious to burnish their “woke” credentials.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Anonymous

    I can't explain it. California's cities saw BLM protests which sometimes spun out of control, but nothing comparable to what took place in Seattle and Portland.


    I am wondering if, perhaps, BLM going berzerk in Portland and Seattle has less to do with the relative numbers of blacks found there and more to do with the idiot white hipsters in those cities being anxious to burnish their “woke” credentials.
     
    Possibly. But I live in the Bay Area, a place where "idiot woke hipsters" are fairly common, and while violent protests sometimes happened here, particularly in Oakland, there was nothing close to the prolonged chaos of the great white Northwest.

    But I also don't think that had anything to do with the size of the black population. Detroit is the blackest big city in America and it didn't see violent BLM protests. It just experienced the typical high levels of endemic crime common to America's blackest cities at all times.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Alden
    @Anonymous

    I accidentally walked right through a truly peaceful protest in Beverly Hills. I had a Dr appointment. In Beverly Hills in Wilshire Blvd. The subway is being extended west to the ocean under Wilshire Blvd.

    About a mile before Beverly Hills there was the sign Wilshite Blvd closed. Later found out BH took advantage of covid hoax to close Wilshire while the subway was being built. I knew I wouldn’t be able to get there easily in the car. So I parked the car in a bank parking lot. And took a bus that I knew would stop on the Los Angeles side just 3 blocks from the Dr office.

    I got off the bus and Wilshire on the BH side was filled with blacks hooting and hollering. I approached cautiously. On the other side of the street from the building they were massed in front of. Saw they were some Whites, presumably anti fa. Also noticed the black women seemed much thinner and prettier than the average black woman. And the building they were yelling at was The Academy of Motion Picture of Motion Picture Arts and BS.

    And people smiled at me, thinking I was one of them. So I asked what was going on. Turned out they were black movie people and entertainers. Having a truly peaceful demonstration in front of the academy. And not inconveniencing anyone because Wilshire had been closed for weeks for subway construction.

    I asked where were the TV trucks. They told me they hadn’t notified the media. The whole thing was organized by Facebook texts email phones.

    Obviously I kept my mouth shut and didn’t proclaim that Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose with a car full of counterfeit money and fentanyl.

    They thanked me for coming I went to the Dr office When I came out about 3 they were dispersing. I walked back to the LA bus stop with a young black married couple. She did have a wedding ring. They told me how the event was organized, that they were absolutely determined no violence, no breaking into stores no trash etc. also told me some movies they were working in.

    We said a polite goodbye I got on the bus got off got in the car and went home.

    I was very impressed by their behavior and the fact that it was a truly peaceful demonstration. The city parking cops had the street blocked off in each side of the demonstration and just two police cars with one cop in each car.

    That was the first week of June 2020 before the looting began.

  137. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charon
    @Jack D


    You blab on and on about the “Judification of American elite ideology” but how is it possible that the Jews are able to do this? Even among elites and even accounting for their extra special cleverness, how are they able to get the non-Jewish majority to buy in?


     

    Early and nearly complete control of the mass media in the USA enabled virtually everything that followed. And you know this as well as I do.

    It was definitely "clever" of them to see how much power they could gain--and then leverage--in this way. But the impulse behind that craving? That's another story, isn't it.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It was definitely “clever” of them to see how much power they could gain–and then leverage–in this way. But the impulse behind that craving? That’s another story, isn’t it.

    What was the impulse?

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Anonymous

    Advancing Jewish interests, what else? Hello McFly! Anybody home?

    https://motionbox.io/template/hello-mcfly

  138. Happy Syttende Mai! Funny that the national holiday in the US and Canada honors independence, but not in Mexico or Norway. In the latter, it’s their Constitution Day. (Ours is also on the 17th, but in September.)

    There are parades from Park Ridge, Ill. to Seattle. We went to one of them Saturday. Here’s one in Stoughton, near Madison. Note the Norwegian native they interview– which brings this comment back on-topic:

  139. Anonymous[122] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)


    Are we just supposed to expect to establish some kind of equilibrium where the U.S. will be so populous and poor enough that people won’t be motivated to come here? That the average American will be not much better off materially than the average Cameroonian or Ecuadoran and this will finally stem the tide of in-migration?
     
    Nailed it! You nailed it Alec.

    I keep hammering/yammering away at my same old same old points. But they are obvious and important points.

    The simple and inevitable mathematical logic of immigrationism--"nation of immigrants"--is that the US must become the world's shittiest nation.

    Only when the US is so crowded and diversely incompetent/unpleasant that even the hoodlums in Haiti and Niger and think "No thanks, to shitty for me, i'll pass" will immigration finally--JackD's "naturally"--blissfully stop. Stopping it before then--at anything less than the world's dumpster-- is racism! xenophobia! Nazi stuff.

    Lots of normies think immigrationism must be "smart"--even if they personally think the changes and some of the people are not so great--because all these media "smart" people--the great and the good parrot it.

    This is partly because most people do not "do math" and are not prone to building simple models or making simple "sanity checks" the way mathy/analytical people like me do. And party because normies do not understand that these smart people are smart ... but hostile. These hostile elites do not see Americans' interests as their interests and are quite happy to trash Americans and their posterity's future.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    The simple and inevitable mathematical logic of immigrationism–“nation of immigrants”–is that the US must become the world’s shittiest nation.

    Devil’s advocate point: We are taking in the best and the brightest (or at least the most motivated and ambitious) from these other countries. For that reason, we shouldn’t expect the conditions of those countries to be replicated here.

  140. @Peter Akuleyev
    Democrats promote immigration policies that are in the Democrats’ electoral self-interest.

    Except they don't. Maybe they think that's what they are doing but diluting the black population with Latinos and Asians is a self defeating strategy for the Left over the long term - those groups are naturally socially conservative and eventually come around to the same realization that in the end American politics is blacks vs. everyone else.

    Bringing in more blacks from Africa would make sense from the Democrats point of view, but they have not had resounding success so far. But watch this space.

    Replies: @Charon, @Spud Boy, @Arclight, @guest007, @Alden, @Deadite

    Don’t worry. There are a lot of blacks in Africa to help the demonrats correct their poor logic.

    The IQ of the planet will plummet and a new dark (no pun intended) ages will fall.

  141. Anonymous[122] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    I can not understand how anyone who has the tiniest interest in America, as a nation, can watch footage of thousands, yes thousands, of aliens streaming across our southern border. Oh, wait, you only see that footage on a very few networks, actually, maybe just one.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I can not understand how anyone who has the tiniest interest in America, as a nation, can watch footage of thousands, yes thousands, of aliens streaming across our southern border.

    What do mean, you don’t understand how we can watch it? We see it.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Anonymous

    Joe's point is a lot of Americans don't see it because Fox is the only network that shows these incredible images of hundreds and thousands of illegals streaming across the border.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  142. Anon[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Jack, this goy boy can go toe-to-toe with your Jewish lawyering all day long.


    The Bible constantly talks about “the stranger among you” – which rules do and don’t apply to them, “stranger” being Bible speak for non-Israelites. This makes it clear that there were always non-Israelite people living in their territories and the historical record bears this out.
     
    What it makes clear is that Jews had a strong sense of their community and policing their community's boundaries. (Normal as I have been pointing out.)

    In fact, Jews are actually notable not in being open, but in being very particular, very strong policing their community boundary. So much so they actually have a bunch of religious b.s. enforcing that. However, since their diaspora, they have been doing it inside other people's territory. Which leads to their weird, hypocritical "my community is special, wonderful, sacred ... your community is shit and must be open to everyone" shtick, that unfortunately their have inflicted on the rest of us.


    2. In the absence of immigration laws, immigration is unrestricted. The default legal setup under the US Constitution is free immigration – this is why Congress has to pass laws that restrict it.
     
    Geez. Seriously? Well yeah, ok. And the "default legal setup under the US Constitution" is free rape and murder. As you know the US Constitution is very short. It is not fundamental a policy document, but a Constitution for republican self-government. Which we used to sorta have ...

    What this would be like under the Constitution of your imaginary White American Third Reich
     
    LOL. Lame. But actually funnily oh so typical. Anyone suggesting something contrary to the Jewish narrative--in my case that mass immigration is illogical bullshit--"Nazi!" For a smart people, when it comes down to it, all you have is point and sputter.

    And I will repeat again, if America ever splits up, you Old Stock white people have to take Negroes with you – you are the ones who brought them here. No fair adopting a pit bull and then when there is a divorce you try to foist it on your spouse.
     
    No, we don't. We are a free people, we do not have to do what you want.

    I keep explaining and explaining and explaining this to you Jack. The "natural" default is that people live in their own communities, with their own people and culture. Their lives, their rules.

    I realize--we all realize--that the Jewish narrative is that the Jewish community is a community and all other communities are ... up for grabs. And--of course--"anti-Semitic" if Jews are not allowed to come in a middle man in them. But that's just bullshit. No other people have to do "what's good for the Jews" unless you are able to hold a gun to their heads.

    If--in the unlikely event--there is separation, the Jewish minoritarian diktat will inherently be over in the explicitly American (non-minoritarian) community. The whole point of any such community would be a return to sane republican self-government that prioritizes the majoritarian interest in the survival and continuance of the nation for "ourselves and our posterity"-- rule of law, traditional American style Western Civilization, normative hetrosexuality, family, fertility, children, oh and Christmas ;-)

    If you clean up your act and stop spouting this minoritarian bullshit, you could probably come along with the other American-Americans in Montgomery County. But if you keep it up then you'll be stuck with the rainbow people. If some of you rainbow types then decide you aren't happy with the blacks ... that's not my problem. (Like Steve I see the whole "Rainbow" thing as inherently unstable. A coalition of parasites, basically held together with "the evil racist white Christian heterosexuals are oppressing you!" trope.)


    No fair ...
     
    American Jews really should not talk about "fair". A people less gracious, more lacking in gratitude and basic reciprocity may not exist on this planet.

    The US never was anything like Japan – it’s just not a good model for American culture. Most Americans would feel straight jacketed by having to live in a place like Japan.
     
    Duh. America is/was a Western Christian nation--Anglo division. Japan is Japan.

    But your idea that America was historically some sort of multi-culti pig pile, is nonsense. Most Americans lived in what were simply the mildly Euro-syncretistic American white cultural norms of their particular region. (I grew up in Cincinnati ... but essentially entirely around a bunch of mixed--mostly Germanic/Anglo--white American people in my suburb.) You go out to rural America ... and it's still that way. A bunch of fairly generic American white people living in American culture. And they do not feel "straightjacketed" at all. They like who they are and how they live.

    Again, i keep pointing it out. Jews are used to being a separate community, separate from but living inside the larger community that they middle man. They have psychological ticks evolved to deal with it. But Jews are outliers. Normal people are not like that. They live in their communities, with their culture ... and are perfect happy with their terrible, terrible--"white bread" for whites--communities.
     

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Jack D, @Anon

    American Jews really should not talk about “fair”. A people less gracious, more lacking in gratitude and basic reciprocity may not exist on this planet.

    When have the Jews ever thanked the United States and the Allies for saving their bacon in WW2?

    How often do you hear expressions of gratitude from Jews to goyim for their helping to create, sustain, and grow the Zionist entity?

    • Replies: @Escher
    @Anon


    When have the Jews ever thanked the United States and the Allies for saving their bacon in WW2?
     
    Anti-Semite.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    When have the Jews ever thanked the United States and the Allies for saving their bacon in WW2?
     
    They got FDR on the dime within months.
  143. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:
    @SafeNow
    California here (i.e., I get to observe immigrants). I will add three points to the discussion:

    1. “Mirroring” on the part of many whites exists. They see “good enough” all around them, and so, at some level, they surrender to it. Thus, they self-replace their former conscientious, fastidious, proficient selves. Academic “dumbing-down” is a corollary.

    2. As Trump said, Not their best people. A leafblower immigrant is not the same as an immigrant with a degree in horticulture.

    3. I give a pass to my Chinese-American docs, who answer my stupid questions with incredible patience, politeness, and non-arrogance. Cuck me, hate me, troll me, but the fact remains they are decent and all the rest. And the vet tech. Etc.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anonymous, @Thea

    3. I give a pass to my Chinese-American docs, who answer my stupid questions with incredible patience, politeness, and non-arrogance. Cuck me, hate me, troll me, but the fact remains they are decent and all the rest. And the vet tech. Etc.

    American men need those high-pay, high-prestige jobs.

    • Agree: Alden
  144. @Alden
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Hispanics are naturally conservative? American Hispanics have very high rates of unmarried teen and younger teen pregnancies high rates of illegitimate kids high rates of couples living together for 20 30 years unmarried high rates of abortions very high rates of criminality and incarceration high rates of welfare.

    Despite the fact that they are either luke warm Roman Catholics or fervent Evangelical Protestants, you can’t call people conservatives when they have such high rates of abortion teen and young teen pregnancies illegitimate kids criminality and incarceration.

    What have you been doing, re reading 1980s National Review archives?

    California in 1960 was basically democrat cities and Republican suburban and rural counties. As the number of Hispanics increased so did the number of counties that turned Democrat.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Anon, @Zero Philosopher

    “Hispanics are naturally conservative? American Hispanics have very high rates of unmarried teen and younger teen pregnancies high rates of illegitimate kids high rates of couples living together for 20 30 years unmarried high rates of abortions very high rates of criminality and incarceration high rates of welfare.”

    Breeding out of wedlock and at a young age does not mean one is not conservative. Quite the opposite. Texas, arguably the “reddest” and most Republican state in the Union has one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancies in the country.

    Do you know who are the people that are most likely to stay married for life, have just one or no kids – and at much older ages – and invest heavily in their education when they have them? White upper middle-class liberals. Especially white upper-middle class liberals from the bluest cities like New York, San Franciso, Boston, etc. How is that for “conservative” values?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Zero Philosopher

    Wealthy White pro White advocates, really underground White nationalists fascists also marry young, have kids and stay married.

    And Wealthy White Marxists whose non work lives are consumed with pro black criminal LGBT unlimited non White immigration, even if it means their adult children can’t work in Dad’s profession environmental repeal the second amendment gave money to and marched with BLM causes also married young had kids owned homes and real estate invested wisely and made a lot of money that way live in a gorgeous 1880 mansion filled with gorgeous furniture.

    This couple may be Marxist and literally worship every black criminal gay and insane cause that comes along.
    But they are the most straight conformist law and regulation abiding couple I know.

    And they donate tens of thousands to socialist Marxist black criminal gay destructive environmentalism causes every year tax deductible of course.

    And like the Mexicans vote solid democrat in every election that doesn’t have a socialist on the ballot. In the primaries they always vote for the black Asian or Hispanic if there are any.

    High abortion high unmarried teen and young teen pregnancy rate high rates of criminality and incarceration rate high illegitimate children rate, high drop out of high school rate.

    Who cares if they go to church. These are not conservative valued.

    Texas is still Republican yes. Presumably the old Spanish and Mexican families still vote Republican and the new comers vote democrat.

  145. @Hhsiii
    @guest007

    And the Italian-Americans where I live are not Democrats. I’ve got a retired cop on one side, retired fireman on the other (so on the government dole, but nevertheless), and one of Steve’s auto body shop owners down the street. We got Dont Tread on Me flags on the lawns. Maybe their grandfathers were Dems.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Corn

    Their grandfathers, great grandfathers, and great great grandfathers were almost certainly Democrats. To a man. And if the Italians where you live are old enough, their fathers were also Democrats.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @Pincher Martin

    They are mid 50s. Their fathers are dying off. And if around were Kennedy democrats like Sinatra (although that’s their grandfather’s age). And those people were conservative enough to be a Reagan democrats. To the extent their fathers are around I bet they are conservatives now, as aging does to folks. But probably pro-union and retirement benefits conservatives.

    What are the numbers? Pretty sure Italian-Americans backed trump at least 50-50. Likely majority. Even in New York Staten island, Bensonhurst, Howard beach, Arthur Avenue parts of queens that are Italian went trump. Certainly the Italians of Suffolk County east of the Hamptons did (and east Quogue is part of South Hampton but the Italians there did too.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    , @Hibernian
    @Pincher Martin

    I don't think that's true if you mean all or almost all Italians. Fiorello LaGuardia was a Republican, albeit a very liberal one. There was at least one Italian Republican congressman from New Jersey heavily involved, possibly on the House Judiciary Committee, in the Nixon inpeachment proceedings. Bob Grant was Italian; he changed his name. I think in the 1950 -1980 timeframe many Irish, Italian, and Polish Catholics were national Republicans and local Democrats. Our going to war with Mussolini didn't help the Democratic Party in the Italian-American community.

  146. @Jack D
    @Anon

    There is no such thing. Aside from the fact that as Israel classifies "Jews" it includes black Africans that aren't really Jewish at all, Israel, like any modern high labor cost country is full of aliens, both legal and illegal - Filipino elder care ladies, Thai farm workers, illegal aliens from Africa doing construction, etc. The imaginary "hypocritical" Israel that exists in your head is nothing like the actual place.

    The #1 driver of the Great Replacement is not the Democrat desire to elect a new people but differences in wage levels between the 3rd world and the 1st world. This difference in wage levels is like two bodies of water at different levels - as long as the levels are different there is going to be pressure to equalize them. You can put a dam between the two bodies of water to prevent the equalizing flow but the pressure is always going to be there. On the 3rd world side, people want to better their lot. On the 1st world side, employers want cheap labor. This has been going on in America since the day that Jamestown was settled and the Virginia planters started bringing over indentured Irish workers.

    In any case, you can't really compare Israel, a tiny country that was founded as the world's one and only Jewish state, with a vast multiethnic country like the US that has no such religious mandate.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr., @AnotherDad, @SunBakedSuburb, @Hypnotoad666, @ginger bread man, @silviosilver

    If diversity is strength and you care about a strong Israel, you should want to diversify Israel.

    It doesn’t matter that Israel was originally set up to be Jewish. America was originally set up to be white, but once people realized what a huge strength diversity is, all that went by the wayside.

    If Israel wants to tap into that same strength, it’s going to have to diversify. History moves forward, not backward.

  147. @Achmed E. Newman
    That's indeed the case for the journalists and D politicians, but (sarcasm filter employed) I think you give the GOP pols too much credit. They have let this go way too far for way too long. Maybe it's not low IQ but a lack of integrity to do what's right. They have been loyal to their Big-Biz donors, and they want to fit in in the beltway cocktail party circuit.

    That fits in with what you say about "We're Good". Many go over to the "Good People" side out of cowardice and lack of integrity.

    What Tucker sometimes gets into is the REAL overarching reason the elites want mass immigration. It's not just for the votes, though importing people from countries with no concept of freedom/rights/etc. certainly helps in this. They want to eliminate the White Middle Class, period. The White Middle Class has (had?) disposable income, extra time, and great organizational skills to compete against the rich in business ventures and in politics. They don't like that!

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden, @Jonathan Mason, @Richard B

    If it is actually true that the powers that be want unlimited immigration, the real reason is the inverted pyramid of an aging population living on social security.

    To achieve economic growth, you have to have more people, and then more houses have to be built, and the houses have to have stoves and refrigerators put in them, and carpet laid, and grass mown.

    The more people you have in the population, the more food is sold and eaten, and the more shoes and socks and TVs and cell phones are needed. It is that simple.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    What'd you do, Jonathan, just take an executive position down in Ecuador at a banana export firm? You act like you believe every word in the Wall Street Journal all of a sudden, and your comment is a parody of Old Prude's comment above.

    Hey, fat cat, supporting Social Security isn't the be-all-to-end-all, and it doesn't work anyway when lots of your immigrants are illegal and legal freeloading families. If we hadn't gotten 50 or more million immigrants over the last few years, maybe Americans would have felt more fiscally able to have their own children! It's the replacement theory thing, get it?

    I am so glad you're not a Jacksonville, Florida voter anymore - one of the few parts of Florida still in the South.

    Yes, your comment is bananas.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  148. @William Badwhite
    @AnotherDad


    Only when the US is so crowded and diversely incompetent/unpleasant
     
    AD, just this week the Bezos Post had an "analysis" of the Colorado River and how it is in "crisis".

    This is in the very first sentence: "The Colorado River plays a pivotal role in the American West, supplying water to more than 40 million people"

    Nowhere in the article do they question WHY we have 40mm people living in the arid Southwest. It is just accepted, part of nature, nothing anyone can do. Better to hand-wring and talk about "drought", the definition of drought being "less precipitation than we would like".

    Immigration has been a disaster for this nation - culturally, politically, and ecologically.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Alden

    The Colorado River is fed by thousands of creeks in N. Utah. Every year in May and June those creeks get the snowmelt from Montana Wyoming and Canada all the way to the arctic where the snow doesn’t melt. Every year those creeks in stone not hard clay, mountains have massive flows of water that drains into the Colorado River. A river that is so huge it goes into Mexico.

    The water has dug canyons large , medium and small stone canyons. Which means the water doesn’t permeate clay or spread over the surrounding land like the Mississippi Missouri system does every year. The water stays in the canyons. The flood water from as far north as the beginning of the arctic flows through those creeks into the Colorado River.

    The underground water aquifer might be drying out. But as long as it snows in Montana Wyoming, Canada and near the arctic circle there will be plenty of water for the Colorado.

    Global warming when snow and glaciers in the Arctic start melting the Colorado River will have so much water the south west and N Mexico will turn into a lush green humid jungle in a few centuries.

    It’s not common knowledge how and where the Colorado gets some of its water. But anyone who pontificates about the Colorado should learn something about it.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    The Colorado watershed extends into Wyoming, but not further north. That's the Columbia and Missouri watersheds.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Alden

    Source of your information about meltwater from the Arctic and Canada flowing into the Colorado River?

    Replies: @Ralph L

    , @William Badwhite
    @Alden


    A river that is so huge it goes into Mexico.
     
    Very little flows into Mexico anymore, in some years none.

    The flood water from as far north as the beginning of the arctic flows through those creeks into the Colorado River.
     
    No it doesn't.

    as long as it snows in Montana Wyoming, Canada and near the arctic circle there will be plenty of water for the Colorado.
     
    You're confusing the Missouri and the Columbia with the Colorado.


    Global warming when snow and glaciers in the Arctic start melting the Colorado River will have so much water the south west and N Mexico will turn into a lush green humid jungle in a few centuries.
     
    Perfect, now we can cram another 40mm people into the arid southwest.

    But anyone who pontificates about the Colorado should learn something about it.
     
    Agreed. I'd suggest you start with an atlas, then skim Stegner's "Beyond the Hundredth Meridian". Also consider a raft trip down the Colorado from Lake Powell to maybe Sandy Point. You can also hike in near where the Little Colorado runs into the Colorado or to Bright Angel campground. Avoid the motorized trips, the noise ruins the experience.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  149. @Zero Philosopher
    @Alden

    "Hispanics are naturally conservative? American Hispanics have very high rates of unmarried teen and younger teen pregnancies high rates of illegitimate kids high rates of couples living together for 20 30 years unmarried high rates of abortions very high rates of criminality and incarceration high rates of welfare."

    Breeding out of wedlock and at a young age does not mean one is not conservative. Quite the opposite. Texas, arguably the "reddest" and most Republican state in the Union has one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancies in the country.

    Do you know who are the people that are most likely to stay married for life, have just one or no kids - and at much older ages - and invest heavily in their education when they have them? White upper middle-class liberals. Especially white upper-middle class liberals from the bluest cities like New York, San Franciso, Boston, etc. How is that for "conservative" values?

    Replies: @Alden

    Wealthy White pro White advocates, really underground White nationalists fascists also marry young, have kids and stay married.

    And Wealthy White Marxists whose non work lives are consumed with pro black criminal LGBT unlimited non White immigration, even if it means their adult children can’t work in Dad’s profession environmental repeal the second amendment gave money to and marched with BLM causes also married young had kids owned homes and real estate invested wisely and made a lot of money that way live in a gorgeous 1880 mansion filled with gorgeous furniture.

    This couple may be Marxist and literally worship every black criminal gay and insane cause that comes along.
    But they are the most straight conformist law and regulation abiding couple I know.

    And they donate tens of thousands to socialist Marxist black criminal gay destructive environmentalism causes every year tax deductible of course.

    And like the Mexicans vote solid democrat in every election that doesn’t have a socialist on the ballot. In the primaries they always vote for the black Asian or Hispanic if there are any.

    High abortion high unmarried teen and young teen pregnancy rate high rates of criminality and incarceration rate high illegitimate children rate, high drop out of high school rate.

    Who cares if they go to church. These are not conservative valued.

    Texas is still Republican yes. Presumably the old Spanish and Mexican families still vote Republican and the new comers vote democrat.

  150. @Allain
    @Jack D

    Nothing new. I remember flying from D.C. to Chicago in the 90's, sitting alongside a WSJ guy. Not sure what his job was, but even back then I kidded him, asking if the news side and the editorial side ever spoke to each other. He definitely noticed I was reading a National Review.
    As an aside, we had a really rough flight, especially the "final approach", which was starting to literally feel like it. The WSJ guy turned absolutely white. Mind you, I wasn't too happy either. I swear it felt like the plane was yawing from side to side so much it was going to auger in. Obviously, we didn't. Still, I got my rental car and turned the radio on to hear that O'Hare had been closed due to high winds. Guess we were one of the last planes to land before the closure.

    Replies: @Escher

    The WSJ guy turned absolutely white.

    Was he white to begin with, or did his inner Oreo/banana/coconut express himself?

  151. @Alden
    @William Badwhite

    The Colorado River is fed by thousands of creeks in N. Utah. Every year in May and June those creeks get the snowmelt from Montana Wyoming and Canada all the way to the arctic where the snow doesn’t melt. Every year those creeks in stone not hard clay, mountains have massive flows of water that drains into the Colorado River. A river that is so huge it goes into Mexico.

    The water has dug canyons large , medium and small stone canyons. Which means the water doesn’t permeate clay or spread over the surrounding land like the Mississippi Missouri system does every year. The water stays in the canyons. The flood water from as far north as the beginning of the arctic flows through those creeks into the Colorado River.

    The underground water aquifer might be drying out. But as long as it snows in Montana Wyoming, Canada and near the arctic circle there will be plenty of water for the Colorado.

    Global warming when snow and glaciers in the Arctic start melting the Colorado River will have so much water the south west and N Mexico will turn into a lush green humid jungle in a few centuries.

    It’s not common knowledge how and where the Colorado gets some of its water. But anyone who pontificates about the Colorado should learn something about it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jonathan Mason, @William Badwhite

    The Colorado watershed extends into Wyoming, but not further north. That’s the Columbia and Missouri watersheds.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Steve Sailer

    Wyoming gets snow melt from Canada that gets into its rivers and creeks.

  152. @Pincher Martin
    @guest007


    But would whites want to live in an area with a large number of blacks or a large number of hispanics.
     
    If forced to choose between those two alternatives, they quite clearly would choose to live in Hispanic neighborhoods.

    But given a wider and more realistic set of choices, most whites would choose to live in neither. And that happens to resemble the world we live in today. Most white people in CA carve out socioeconomic enclaves that enable them to avoid living in Hispanic- and especially black-dominated neighborhoods


    The Compton data shows that progressive whites do not mind large hispanic immigration because that immigration pushes blacks out of the state.
     
    Nothing in Compton's data allows you to come to such a conclusion. Immigration into the state (of both Hispanics and Asians) has not just pushed a few blacks out of the state, it has also pushed a lot more whites out of the state.

    There are fewer non-Hispanic whites in California now (13.7 million) than there were in 1990 (17 million). Some of that might be due to recategorization, as many Californians either choose not to identify as white in 2020 who might have - or whose parents might have - identified as white in 1990, or because one of their white parents intermarried with another race and they chose to identify as something other than white.

    But most of the reduction is due to white workers and the elderly moving out of the state.

    Meanwhile, the black population in California in 2020 is almost identical to what it was in 2020. Around 2.1 million.

    So immigration has been more successful in pushing whites out of California than it has in pushing blacks out of California.


    Blacks make up 8% of Los Angeles county and 11% of Alameda County. The race riots that occurred after the Rodney King verdict could hot happen today because there are not enough blacks to riot.
     
    Yeah, look at the lack of violent BLM protests in Portland (6% black) and Seattle (7% black) recently.

    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Escher, @guest007

    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.

    Wonder why that has been the case?
    Perhaps blacks prefer the balmy Detroit weather?

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Escher

    Perhaps after their migration to the Industrial Northeast in the early 20th century, most of them habituated to living in urban surroundings with other blacks and just didn't feel comfortable moving out to the West's wide open spaces.

    Interestingly enough, I've read that many northern blacks are now migrating back to the south. There are a lot of blacks there already, of course, including on occasion distant family members, and many blacks feel comfortable with the climate and lifestyle now that Jim Crow is just a memory.

    , @Alden
    @Escher

    North south trains and recruitment by industry and word of mouth. Georgia Carolinas Virginia and Maryland went to Philadelphia Atlantic City Wilmington Delaware N. New Jersey and New York City Buffalo and Syracuse by train. .

    Louisiana, Alabama Mississippi Tennessee Kentucky and Arkansas took the Illinois Central Railroad. And like the blacks on the east coast they were intensively recruited for industry janitorial and household help. And strike breakers.

    The Los Angeles blacks came from Texas and Louisiana via the Santa Fe Railroad. Only a trickle until WW2 needed them to replace the White men who went off to be killed and disabled.

    There was a tiny number of blacks in San Francisco Oakland San Jose until WW2. Then Oakland soon became majority black. They arrived on the trains from Chicago Los Angeles and St Louis. They too were recruited . Might have been given the train tickets and a travel allowance.

    California blacks tell me the great grandparents were mostly from Texas Louisiana and midwestern cities. A lot of black school teachers were heavily recruited from from the south when affirmative action happened

    Cheap labor and household help. Well, women and blacks really were needed for war industry and the docks during the war. No excuse for affirmative action in 1968 when the baby boomer generation was crowding into the workplace.

  153. @Anon
    @AnotherDad


    American Jews really should not talk about “fair”. A people less gracious, more lacking in gratitude and basic reciprocity may not exist on this planet.
     
    When have the Jews ever thanked the United States and the Allies for saving their bacon in WW2?

    How often do you hear expressions of gratitude from Jews to goyim for their helping to create, sustain, and grow the Zionist entity?

    Replies: @Escher, @Reg Cæsar

    When have the Jews ever thanked the United States and the Allies for saving their bacon in WW2?

    Anti-Semite.

    • LOL: Daniel H
  154. @Pincher Martin
    @Hhsiii

    Their grandfathers, great grandfathers, and great great grandfathers were almost certainly Democrats. To a man. And if the Italians where you live are old enough, their fathers were also Democrats.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @Hibernian

    They are mid 50s. Their fathers are dying off. And if around were Kennedy democrats like Sinatra (although that’s their grandfather’s age). And those people were conservative enough to be a Reagan democrats. To the extent their fathers are around I bet they are conservatives now, as aging does to folks. But probably pro-union and retirement benefits conservatives.

    What are the numbers? Pretty sure Italian-Americans backed trump at least 50-50. Likely majority. Even in New York Staten island, Bensonhurst, Howard beach, Arthur Avenue parts of queens that are Italian went trump. Certainly the Italians of Suffolk County east of the Hamptons did (and east Quogue is part of South Hampton but the Italians there did too.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Hhsiii

    I think white Catholics (Irish, Italians) first started voting Republican in 1972, when McGovern ran, and then later, as you point out, gave their votes for Reagan. But they retreated back to the Democrats in 1976.

    But those voters often still identified as Democrats. A clear majority of Catholics voted for House Democratic candidates in all three midterm elections between 1982 and 1990. And a plurality gave Bill Clinton the nod in the nineteen-nineties.

    So we don't have to go that far back to find white Catholic Democrats. Even as late as the early 1990s, white Catholic Democrats were still more like Joe Biden and Mario Cuomo than Pat Buchanan and Antonin Scalia. But just barely.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  155. @Anonymous
    @Pincher Martin


    Yeah, look at the lack of violent BLM protests in Portland (6% black) and Seattle (7% black) recently.

    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.
     
    Were there Mostly Peaceful BLM protests in Los Angeles (or anywhere else in CA) in 2020? I ask because I am trying to recall if there were major cities in California that were overwhelmed by the Mostly Peaceful in that magical year, but cannot think of any.

    I am wondering if, perhaps, BLM going berzerk in Portland and Seattle has less to do with the relative numbers of blacks found there and more to do with the idiot white hipsters in those cities being anxious to burnish their "woke" credentials.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Alden

    I can’t explain it. California’s cities saw BLM protests which sometimes spun out of control, but nothing comparable to what took place in Seattle and Portland.

    I am wondering if, perhaps, BLM going berzerk in Portland and Seattle has less to do with the relative numbers of blacks found there and more to do with the idiot white hipsters in those cities being anxious to burnish their “woke” credentials.

    Possibly. But I live in the Bay Area, a place where “idiot woke hipsters” are fairly common, and while violent protests sometimes happened here, particularly in Oakland, there was nothing close to the prolonged chaos of the great white Northwest.

    But I also don’t think that had anything to do with the size of the black population. Detroit is the blackest big city in America and it didn’t see violent BLM protests. It just experienced the typical high levels of endemic crime common to America’s blackest cities at all times.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Pincher Martin

    Pretty simple explanation. Professional agitators, both trust fund losers as officers and homeless drug addicts as grunts, were enormously important to the BLM riots, and they only went to places where they had been guaranteed free reign. Nowhere were the BLM riots organic or a statement coming from black people. Places like Portland signalled early on that they wanted terrorism. In Detroit we had then police chief James Craig, future governor of the state of Michigan, and he wasn't having any of that. Every city which suffered a BLM riot no matter the size of its black population could have avoided every last broken window.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ron Mexico

  156. @Escher
    @Pincher Martin


    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.
     
    Wonder why that has been the case?
    Perhaps blacks prefer the balmy Detroit weather?

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Alden

    Perhaps after their migration to the Industrial Northeast in the early 20th century, most of them habituated to living in urban surroundings with other blacks and just didn’t feel comfortable moving out to the West’s wide open spaces.

    Interestingly enough, I’ve read that many northern blacks are now migrating back to the south. There are a lot of blacks there already, of course, including on occasion distant family members, and many blacks feel comfortable with the climate and lifestyle now that Jim Crow is just a memory.

  157. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Anon

    "Conspiracy" connotes something done in secret. PMC leftists have a "two frequencies" approach to political and social discussion. Think of it like UHF and VHF. It's not done in secret so much as simultaneously discussed differently on the two frequencies.

    On the VHF frequency, which consists of institutions they control like the academy or unpopular cable news shows (i.e., A.M. Joy) they speak quite clearly about what their intentions are and what the policies should be and who should be harmed by the policies. These discussions aren't strictly "secret" or "confidential" - anyone with a basic cable subscription can hear them. But they're obscured from wide distribution by intention insofar as they're on a "frequency" with a lot of social and cultural barriers for most people. Here, you can openly celebrate whites becoming fewer in number and becoming less politically relevant as a good thing.

    On the UHF frequency, they talk about gauzy, euphemistic things like diversity being a strength and immigration stories from 100 years ago and how hard working Ecuadoran landscapers are. The UHF frequency is more broadly distributed (i.e., CBS Evening News), and they establish the vocabulary that Democrats seeking office will use to manufacture consent for the much more piquant plans made on the VHF frequency. Here, you will be un-personed for referencing what is currently being discussed on the VHF frequency - whites becoming fewer in number and less politically relevant isn't happening, and even if it is happening only a racist would notice such a thing.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Not that it matters, but historically VHF stations were considered the major mainstream channels, and UHF stations were the marginal outlets.

    Until the ’90s, the vast majority of stations affiliated with the Big Three networks (ABC, CBS, and NBC) were VHF.

    When Fox began broadcasting in the ’80s, most of its affiliates were UHF. (An early episode of Married … with Children featured a joke about “the Fox viewing position,” in which the family positioned various pieces of metal and tin foil around their living room to try to boost the network’s weak signal.)

    VHF stations occupied the spectrum from Channel 2 to 13, so the number of such stations was limited. Many areas ended up with only one VHF station.

    During the analog era, UHF had a much wider range – Channels 14 to 83. Theoretically, this should have allowed for a huge expansion in the number of TV stations in America, but this did not happen for many years.

    The problem was that, until the mid-’60s, most television manufacturers did not include UHF-reception capability in their products. The first UHF stations went on the air in the early ’50s, but most of them failed because the vast majority of viewers could not watch them. It was not until 1964 that the federal government mandated that all television sets sold in the United States be able to pick up UHF channels. And it was not until the ’80s that UHF stations began to proliferate. (“Weird Al” Yankovic’s offbeat comedy UHF was released in 1989.)

    It’s ironic that you should mention CBS, because in the early ’90s that network suffered greatly after losing the NFC package to Fox. Then-CBS owner Larry Tisch allowed Fox to outbid CBS because he’d concluded that big-time sports packages were a waste of money. CBS had spent billions on MLB and the Winter Olympics and had lost money on both deals. Tisch failed to appreciate the importance of the NFL package in driving viewers to the rest of the prime-time schedule.

    Shortly after that deal went through, Rupert Murdoch made another deal with a group of stations, most of which were located in NFC cities, to switch affiliations from CBS to Fox. In most of those cities, CBS went from VHF to UHF station, and saw its ratings plummet. In Atlanta, for example, CBS went from Channel 5 to Channel 46; in Detroit, it went from Channel 2 to Channel 62.

    That season, CBS fell from first to third in the prime-time ratings. Tisch sold the network shortly thereafter.

    When the AFC package came up a few years later, CBS went all-out to grab it.

  158. @Hhsiii
    @Pincher Martin

    They are mid 50s. Their fathers are dying off. And if around were Kennedy democrats like Sinatra (although that’s their grandfather’s age). And those people were conservative enough to be a Reagan democrats. To the extent their fathers are around I bet they are conservatives now, as aging does to folks. But probably pro-union and retirement benefits conservatives.

    What are the numbers? Pretty sure Italian-Americans backed trump at least 50-50. Likely majority. Even in New York Staten island, Bensonhurst, Howard beach, Arthur Avenue parts of queens that are Italian went trump. Certainly the Italians of Suffolk County east of the Hamptons did (and east Quogue is part of South Hampton but the Italians there did too.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    I think white Catholics (Irish, Italians) first started voting Republican in 1972, when McGovern ran, and then later, as you point out, gave their votes for Reagan. But they retreated back to the Democrats in 1976.

    But those voters often still identified as Democrats. A clear majority of Catholics voted for House Democratic candidates in all three midterm elections between 1982 and 1990. And a plurality gave Bill Clinton the nod in the nineteen-nineties.

    So we don’t have to go that far back to find white Catholic Democrats. Even as late as the early 1990s, white Catholic Democrats were still more like Joe Biden and Mario Cuomo than Pat Buchanan and Antonin Scalia. But just barely.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Pincher Martin


    I think white Catholics (Irish, Italians) first started voting Republican in 1972, when McGovern ran, and then later, as you point out, gave their votes for Reagan.
     
    For (us) Irish, try 1917 when Woodrow "He Kept Us Out Of War" Wilson brought the US into WW1 on behalf of the British Empire. Boston and Chicago had their last Republican mayors in the 1920s.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

  159. David French Retweeted:


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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @MEH 0910

    This is incoherent cope because as soon as you talk about the political consequences of demographic change, you are called a racist espousing debunked hate-theories. It is furthermore remarkably stupid because it asks us to completely forget recent political history, to forget the consistent enabling of open borders by major parties and politicians, that is it asks us to expect that the Democrats would smell a permanent majority and not then do whatever was necessary to get it.

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @MEH 0910


    The US has a welcome advantage over Japan and China in this respect.
     
    Moron of the year?
    , @Ben tillman
    @MEH 0910

    Genocide as a democratic reality. What a piece of shit this guy is!

    Replies: @Charon

    , @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://www.thebulwark.com/has-the-left-been-pushing-its-own-version-of-great-replacement-theory/
    https://twitter.com/CathyYoung63/status/1527593785391206400

  160. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    1. The Bible constantly talks about "the stranger among you" - which rules do and don't apply to them, "stranger" being Bible speak for non-Israelites. This makes it clear that there were always non-Israelite people living in their territories and the historical record bears this out.

    2. In the absence of immigration laws, immigration is unrestricted. The default legal setup under the US Constitution is free immigration - this is why Congress has to pass laws that restrict it. What this would be like under the Constitution of your imaginary White American Third Reich I dunno, but under the Constitution that we have had for the last 200+ years the default option is free immigration and Congress has to pass laws to restrict it. And I will repeat again, if America ever splits up, you Old Stock white people have to take Negroes with you - you are the ones who brought them here. No fair adopting a pit bull and then when there is a divorce you try to foist it on your spouse.

    3. Japan is (like Israel) a special case of a country that is very ethnically homogeneous (and even so Japan actually has a very large, largely hidden Korean minority left over from colonial times). And Japan is increasingly open to immigrants.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/18/japan-could-allow-more-foreigners-to-stay-indefinitely-in-major-shift.html

    The US never was anything like Japan - it's just not a good model for American culture. Most Americans would feel straight jacketed by having to live in a place like Japan. A uniform culture has virtues but it also has a very big downside which is why in America the counterculture pretty much destroyed the conformist culture.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Daniel H

    Japan is (like Israel) a special case

    A mind of your own?
    I thought you were special
    I thought you should know
    But I’ve run out of patience
    I couldn’t care less

  161. @Anon
    @Alden

    Hispanic immigrants, on the whole, have not perpetuated the self supporting parish school system like other Catholic immigrants did before them. Many Catholic schools in Mexican neighborhoods have closed, but many new public school buildings have been constructed in those supposedly Catholic neighborhoods.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    Typical Catholic church/school from urban NYC. St. Bartholemew’s parish, Elmhurst, Queens. Could be a minor cathedral. Built and funded by piss-poor Irish, Guinea (I say that with more honor and affection than you could possibly know..) workers. Concrete, carpentry, plumbing, electricity, cops, firemen, etc…No whining. No whining.

  162. @kahein
    man it's fun watching Jack D., quintessential tough jew, rout these hicks every day

    sorry, hicks, in deplorostan no one can hear you scream for a DQ triplestack

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    You must be reading a different thread. AnotherDad pounded JackD into the gound.

    Jack D, you know a lot about a lot and are helpful about spreading that knowledge. I seem to agree with you on ideology 90% of the time. On the immigration issue, you’ve been reaching for lots of BS that not everyone goes for anymore.

    Do you really think that only the one group of people should not be able to live by themselves on the land they settled over 400 years?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don't know what you are talking about. Immigration is a global phenomenon. Just in this thread, Jonathan mentions that people from other countries in S. America immigrate to Ecuador. Of course, Argentina and Brazil both were settled by (non-Iberian) immigrants. Europe is full of immigrants as is the prosperous part middle east. Australia is all immigrants. Pretty much any prosperous country is going to attract immigrants.

    My personal view is that there is an optimal level of immigration (which is somewhat less than we have now, counting illegal immigration) and that it should be controlled. What we have now, where the government is basically helpless to set the immigration level because you can just walk in and in many cases stay for life, is ridiculous but sealing the borders completely is equally ridiculous - our prosperity is based on the existence of a global economy where people, goods and services move relatively freely (but hopefully in a controlled manner). Russia is about to find out what happens when you cut yourself off from the global economy - it's not going to be pretty.

    Another Dad's Ozzie and Harriet world where everyone is white and drives an American made sedan is a fantasy - it never really existed except briefly in certain spots (one of which happened to be the time and place of AD's childhood) and it sure isn't coming back. (BTW, I just realized yesterday that Buick no longer makes any sedans - if you want a Buick, you have a choice of a small, medium or large SUV - you can have any car you want as long as it is an SUV. One of them is made in China.)

    This is our national politics in general - people get pushed to the extremes and moderation gets lost.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @vinteuil, @Jonathan Mason

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Do you really think that only the one group of people should not be able to live by themselves on the land they settled over 400 years?
     
    At this point in time it would be difficult to relocate White people to reservations and restore the land to the heirs of the original occupants, but I suppose it could be done.

    You really are jumping the shark these days!

    People have been migrating ever since the dawn of history., looking for better pastures, a better life and so on.

    And people have been having children ever since Adam and Eve got the show on the road and invented DNA.

    Having children is not just an economic question, it goes to the roots of the meaning of life. Of course people want to have children, to enjoy family life and raising kids, teaching them what is what, and perhaps providing support in one's old age. Plus having someone to wash the dishes and walk the dog. And maybe join the family business later on. For women in particular there are only a few short years available to reproduce, and having kids young, means they are grown up before the parents are ancient.

    Anyway, isn't the whole purpose of having a country and having a government to provide a stable environment where people want to have children for a better future?

    I don't agree too much with the extreme right-to-lifers and think that they should moderate their positions a bit, but at least they want more children to be born, not less, which is not such a bad thing.

    But the USA.gov could do more to encourage family formation, like low interest loans similar to student loans for people willing to have children. There are already huge tax breaks for the costs associated with adoption, which could mean as much as no income tax for five years. Why not extend this to children incubated by sexual reproduction in a marital bed?
  163. @Steve Sailer
    @Alden

    The Colorado watershed extends into Wyoming, but not further north. That's the Columbia and Missouri watersheds.

    Replies: @Alden

    Wyoming gets snow melt from Canada that gets into its rivers and creeks.

  164. @MEH 0910
    David French Retweeted:
    https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/1526532571399700481

    https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/1526534512225792001

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Bardon Kaldian, @Ben tillman, @MEH 0910

    This is incoherent cope because as soon as you talk about the political consequences of demographic change, you are called a racist espousing debunked hate-theories. It is furthermore remarkably stupid because it asks us to completely forget recent political history, to forget the consistent enabling of open borders by major parties and politicians, that is it asks us to expect that the Democrats would smell a permanent majority and not then do whatever was necessary to get it.

    • Thanks: Hangnail Hans
  165. @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If it is actually true that the powers that be want unlimited immigration, the real reason is the inverted pyramid of an aging population living on social security.

    To achieve economic growth, you have to have more people, and then more houses have to be built, and the houses have to have stoves and refrigerators put in them, and carpet laid, and grass mown.

    The more people you have in the population, the more food is sold and eaten, and the more shoes and socks and TVs and cell phones are needed. It is that simple.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    What’d you do, Jonathan, just take an executive position down in Ecuador at a banana export firm? You act like you believe every word in the Wall Street Journal all of a sudden, and your comment is a parody of Old Prude’s comment above.

    Hey, fat cat, supporting Social Security isn’t the be-all-to-end-all, and it doesn’t work anyway when lots of your immigrants are illegal and legal freeloading families. If we hadn’t gotten 50 or more million immigrants over the last few years, maybe Americans would have felt more fiscally able to have their own children! It’s the replacement theory thing, get it?

    I am so glad you’re not a Jacksonville, Florida voter anymore – one of the few parts of Florida still in the South.

    Yes, your comment is bananas.

    • Agree: Alden, Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I never read The Wall Street Journal, so if my opinions coincide with theirs, it is purely coincidence. (Or else they are plagiarizing my comments here and elsewhere.)

    Your remarks about Americans choosing not to have children for economic reasons make no sense. Ecuador is nowhere near as wealthy as the USA, but it is teeming with children, and the first subject of conversation when meeting a new person is always "how many children do you have?" and just the same way that English people always talk about the weather.

    However it is probably true that there are certain economic elements in American life that do not encourage people to start families, for example the high cost of giving birth, the high cost of care for small children whose mothers are working to earn money, and weak divorce laws in many states.

    It is noticeable that almost half of births in the US are paid for by Medicaid. Why is this? Why not give Medicaid to all pregnant women to encourage working women to have children.

    So probably legislators could do a bit more to encourage family formation. If Roe versus Wade is overturned, one consequence could be that there are probably going to be more single mothers in some states.

    Perhaps legislators can now look at making vasectomies and condoms illegal. After all, there is no God-given right to contraception mentioned in the Constitution.

    As regards Social Security, many illegal immigrants have social security tax deducted from their earnings, but they do not ever obtain benefits from the system, so they are a net plus for the US. If they return to their homelands, they will not become a burden on Medicare. They also pay state sales taxes on many purchases and gasoline taxes.

    Anyway, regardless of what the Wall Street journal says, I can guarantee you that there is no connection between the immigration policies of the US government and a desire by one party or the other to eliminate the white middle class.

    Your line of argument is simply that you are white middle class, and you are struggling financially, and that the government ought help you, and that dammit, even illegal immigrants are doing better than you!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

  166. @Pincher Martin
    @Anonymous

    I can't explain it. California's cities saw BLM protests which sometimes spun out of control, but nothing comparable to what took place in Seattle and Portland.


    I am wondering if, perhaps, BLM going berzerk in Portland and Seattle has less to do with the relative numbers of blacks found there and more to do with the idiot white hipsters in those cities being anxious to burnish their “woke” credentials.
     
    Possibly. But I live in the Bay Area, a place where "idiot woke hipsters" are fairly common, and while violent protests sometimes happened here, particularly in Oakland, there was nothing close to the prolonged chaos of the great white Northwest.

    But I also don't think that had anything to do with the size of the black population. Detroit is the blackest big city in America and it didn't see violent BLM protests. It just experienced the typical high levels of endemic crime common to America's blackest cities at all times.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Pretty simple explanation. Professional agitators, both trust fund losers as officers and homeless drug addicts as grunts, were enormously important to the BLM riots, and they only went to places where they had been guaranteed free reign. Nowhere were the BLM riots organic or a statement coming from black people. Places like Portland signalled early on that they wanted terrorism. In Detroit we had then police chief James Craig, future governor of the state of Michigan, and he wasn’t having any of that. Every city which suffered a BLM riot no matter the size of its black population could have avoided every last broken window.

    • Agree: Corn
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    Detroit in 2020 saw pretty good leadership from its leaders and less rioting than expected.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Ron Mexico
    @J.Ross

    James Craig "future governor." Anything is better than Shiny Forehead and the 2 stooges at SOS and AG. I hope he knows the Mules in Wayne and Kent Counties.

  167. @Anonymous
    @Pincher Martin


    Yeah, look at the lack of violent BLM protests in Portland (6% black) and Seattle (7% black) recently.

    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.
     
    Were there Mostly Peaceful BLM protests in Los Angeles (or anywhere else in CA) in 2020? I ask because I am trying to recall if there were major cities in California that were overwhelmed by the Mostly Peaceful in that magical year, but cannot think of any.

    I am wondering if, perhaps, BLM going berzerk in Portland and Seattle has less to do with the relative numbers of blacks found there and more to do with the idiot white hipsters in those cities being anxious to burnish their "woke" credentials.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Alden

    I accidentally walked right through a truly peaceful protest in Beverly Hills. I had a Dr appointment. In Beverly Hills in Wilshire Blvd. The subway is being extended west to the ocean under Wilshire Blvd.

    About a mile before Beverly Hills there was the sign Wilshite Blvd closed. Later found out BH took advantage of covid hoax to close Wilshire while the subway was being built. I knew I wouldn’t be able to get there easily in the car. So I parked the car in a bank parking lot. And took a bus that I knew would stop on the Los Angeles side just 3 blocks from the Dr office.

    I got off the bus and Wilshire on the BH side was filled with blacks hooting and hollering. I approached cautiously. On the other side of the street from the building they were massed in front of. Saw they were some Whites, presumably anti fa. Also noticed the black women seemed much thinner and prettier than the average black woman. And the building they were yelling at was The Academy of Motion Picture of Motion Picture Arts and BS.

    And people smiled at me, thinking I was one of them. So I asked what was going on. Turned out they were black movie people and entertainers. Having a truly peaceful demonstration in front of the academy. And not inconveniencing anyone because Wilshire had been closed for weeks for subway construction.

    I asked where were the TV trucks. They told me they hadn’t notified the media. The whole thing was organized by Facebook texts email phones.

    Obviously I kept my mouth shut and didn’t proclaim that Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose with a car full of counterfeit money and fentanyl.

    They thanked me for coming I went to the Dr office When I came out about 3 they were dispersing. I walked back to the LA bus stop with a young black married couple. She did have a wedding ring. They told me how the event was organized, that they were absolutely determined no violence, no breaking into stores no trash etc. also told me some movies they were working in.

    We said a polite goodbye I got on the bus got off got in the car and went home.

    I was very impressed by their behavior and the fact that it was a truly peaceful demonstration. The city parking cops had the street blocked off in each side of the demonstration and just two police cars with one cop in each car.

    That was the first week of June 2020 before the looting began.

  168. @Escher
    @Pincher Martin


    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.
     
    Wonder why that has been the case?
    Perhaps blacks prefer the balmy Detroit weather?

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Alden

    North south trains and recruitment by industry and word of mouth. Georgia Carolinas Virginia and Maryland went to Philadelphia Atlantic City Wilmington Delaware N. New Jersey and New York City Buffalo and Syracuse by train. .

    Louisiana, Alabama Mississippi Tennessee Kentucky and Arkansas took the Illinois Central Railroad. And like the blacks on the east coast they were intensively recruited for industry janitorial and household help. And strike breakers.

    The Los Angeles blacks came from Texas and Louisiana via the Santa Fe Railroad. Only a trickle until WW2 needed them to replace the White men who went off to be killed and disabled.

    There was a tiny number of blacks in San Francisco Oakland San Jose until WW2. Then Oakland soon became majority black. They arrived on the trains from Chicago Los Angeles and St Louis. They too were recruited . Might have been given the train tickets and a travel allowance.

    California blacks tell me the great grandparents were mostly from Texas Louisiana and midwestern cities. A lot of black school teachers were heavily recruited from from the south when affirmative action happened

    Cheap labor and household help. Well, women and blacks really were needed for war industry and the docks during the war. No excuse for affirmative action in 1968 when the baby boomer generation was crowding into the workplace.

  169. @beavertales
    "We Can Replace Them" - Michelle Goldberg, 02 November 2018

    "An embittered white conservative minority clings to power, terrified of being swamped by a new multiracial polyglot majority... In a few days, voters can do to White nationalists what they fear the most - replace them."


    https://www.pressreader.com/usa/las-vegas-review-journal/20181102/282621738720771

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Alden

    Do the Casinos and clubs plan to replace the gorgeous WHITE showgirls and WHITE pretty waitresses dealers hotel clerks with short fat flat chested huge bellied swarthy Central American women?

    What about the hookers and escorts? Replaced by the pudgy Tijuana gals?

  170. @AnotherDad
    @Corvinus



    Now, if we carefully look at American history, the first “great replacement” began in the 1840s and 1850s, when white native Protestants—the “true” Americans—were threatened by the massive importing of Irish and German papists. The second “great replacement” was the period from 1890 to 1920, when hordes of Roman Catholic Eastern and Southern Europeans inundated our shores.
    ...

     

    Corny, I'm going to try and help you get smarter.

    When the US should have shut down mass immigration is a completely debatably point.
    -- Right after the founding? There is a case for this based on direct genetic interests of the founders. But there was an American empire to grab, and the additions were essentially the very same people.
    -- When my Irish ancestors showed up? (Fortunately for me, the founding stock were foolish enough to let us in. Fools!)
    -- When the Frontier closed with America already the largest Western nation with the highest GDP and GDP in the world? I'd argue, yes. But industrialization was rolling. Cheap labor!
    -- In the 20s? It was obvious and they did.
    -- Now. With native Americans choosing sub-replacement fertility and deserving the lifestyle and environmental benefits, but instead with foreigners (many low IQ) rushing in and the population exploding past 300 million, driving down wages, driving up costs, crowding everything, everywhere? It's not even a serious debate.


    Inductive reasoning is a useful tool. But human affairs do not work like the mathematical induction. Because once upon a time our ancestors had n and managed n+1, does not mean that sitting here at k, we should do k+1.

    Corny I don't know if some poor benighted woman consented to be your wife. But for the sake of argument. You had a kid? Then another kid? Then another? Why did you stop! What are you some kind of kid hater? If one was good and two better, then you should have three, then four, then five, then six ... Stopping anti-peopleism!

    Seriously, if the guys from Zeta Reticuli show up and complain that their planet is too crowded and they just want the same chance to "build a new life" in on this nice little planet that you just happen to live on by dumb luck ... you are going to let them in?

    Corny don't be fooled. Just because a bunch of smart people keep parroting it, does not mean immigrationism makes any sense. Immigrationism is actually an obviously stupid, biologically illogical, innumerate ideology anyone can debunk with 6th grade. The smart people pushing it are not doing it because they are smart, they are doing it because they are evil. They are not your friends.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Corny, I’m going to try and help you get smarter.”

    Your commentary, compared to mine, doesn’t provide that benefit.

    “When the US should have shut down mass immigration is a completely debatably point.”

    Not to “true Americans” of those time periods I delineated.

    “Right after the founding? There is a case for this based on direct genetic interests of the founders.”

    Right, for the English, Welsh, and Scots-Irish. Not the French, German, Irish, Norwegian, and Swedish. Genetic interest at the time represented from the same nation, not continent.

    “But there was an American empire to grab”

    Right, gimmedats and free stuff.

    “and the additions were essentially the very same people.”

    Not according to Madison Grant.

    “When my Irish ancestors showed up? (Fortunately for me, the founding stock were foolish enough to let us in. Fools!)”

    That’s so laughable. If you actually believe it, then leave.

  171. @AndrewR
    @Corvinus

    Germany and Ireland don't make it easy for descendants of long-ago emigrants to return. In most cases, it's functionally impossible. And even if that weren't true, the same people destroying the US are doing the same to Europe. But you knew that.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Germany and Ireland don’t make it easy for descendants of long-ago emigrants to return.”

    Yet another anti-white comment on your part. Have you no sense of decency?

  172. @BB753
    @Corvinus

    Those earlier waves were indeed undesirable and were allowed to enter into America by elites to wage demographic and economic war on the native or as you put it "true" The Fed, Roosevelt's Great Society would not have passed before 1840.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    “Those earlier waves were indeed undesirable and were allowed to enter into America by elites to wage demographic and economic war on the native or as you put it “true””

    According to Who/Whom?

    “The Fed, Roosevelt’s Great Society would not have passed before 1840.”

    Lol, it’s FDR’s New Deal. Or did you mean to say LBJ’s Great Society? Anyways, America was growing by leaps and bounds by 1840, so there was no need for innovative economic solutions to a myriad of social problems.

  173. @MEH 0910
    David French Retweeted:
    https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/1526532571399700481

    https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/1526534512225792001

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Bardon Kaldian, @Ben tillman, @MEH 0910

    The US has a welcome advantage over Japan and China in this respect.

    Moron of the year?

  174. MSNBC claims that the horrible Great Replacement Theory is driving BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of Republicans to leave the open borders GOP that wants “more immigration than ever before, but legal,” and their evidence is this guy:


    See that detail about penning an explosive op-ed in 2018? Another Vindman. This guy is a Republican like High Hewitt or Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton is a Republican.
    The segue to lying never-Trumper Hewitt is deliberate. Hewitt proclaims at every opportunity that he is a never-Trumper who felt relieved by the steal he refuses to discuss and cannot wait ro “go back to normal” with candidates like House Bush Scion #745,332 or the remarkably useless Chris Christie. Lately primary season has him downright aggressive about returning to normal, crowing with guests about recreating a Republican party that nobody wants to vote for and which only ever wins anything when the Democrats trip on a carpet.
    The swamp still needs to be drained.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @J.Ross

    This guy is the world’s biggest faggot.

  175. @Anon
    The use of the word conspiracy is a straw man. Conspiracy implies a committee that meets and decides on plans with specific goals and purposes and then executes those plans through agents, with all parties more or less aware of what is going on.

    The Great Replacement is not that teleological. It's more of a natural and organic massing of interests and personality preferences in a way that naturally leads in the direction of immigration.

    For instance, there is no Elders of Zion deciding to increase immigration. There are people who for genetic/cultural reasons favor immigration, for its outcomes or just because it's a high status way to think and gets you into better parties. One's opinion about immigration is a narrow, specific personality trait (and probably can be expressed in OCEAN terms).

    But if you take American Jews as a separate group, their mean point on the anti- vs. pro-immigration spectrum comes out more on the pro side than the anti, relative to other groups (including relative to recent immigrants and to blacks). Jews and non-Jews mostly overlap (Lewontin's Fallacy), but the means are different, affecting the pro tail disproportionately (along with an anti tail that includes Jewish Stephen Miller). Additionally, Jews come out smarter, and end up in powerful, prestigious jobs disproportionately, and are able to steer policy more towards immigration than a true democratic outcome would.

    Global commercial interests also influence immigration. Tim Cook is not Jewish, but he needs immigrant coders.

    On the Curtis Yarvin "monarchy/democracy/populism" scale, where "monarchy" equals FDR, "democracy" equals institutional oligarchy and "populism" equals republicanism/democracy, the United States is a democracy=oligarchy, where the oligarchy is disproportionately (not majority) Jewish, and thus the outcomes on immigration issues tends towards the pro side.

    So there is no conspiracy, but the makeup of society and our government just ends up with the result of the Great Replacement.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Nodwink, @Peter Johnson, @Almost Missouri, @Coemgen, @Anon, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @epebble, @Ben tillman

    It’s not about the mean. It’s about the group.

    Jewry is a highly organized group that operates to marshal its members resources to achieve group goals. The organized community is deeply committed to immigration as a group goal.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Ben tillman


    It’s not about the mean. It’s about the group.

    Jewry is a highly organized group that operates to marshal its members resources to achieve group goals.
     
    True, but at the end of the day the will to organize for one’s tribe is itself a personality trait that is heritable, with a different mean and different variance depending on the group.
  176. @JackOH
    @Achmed E. Newman


    They’ve been greatly discouraged from doing so.
     
    Agree 100%. See my C#114.

    The social engineering motive behind academic advisors steering competitively bright but undecided White male students away from traditional fields into lower-paid non-traditional fields was pretty much admitted to me by one advisor.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    The social engineering motive behind

    Not to disagree with your comment, but social “engineering” is quite the misnomer. It lacks none of the precision of real engineering. Social alchemy is a better name for it, when you consider both the shoddiness of its principles and its complete failure to achieve its aims.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @silviosilver

    silvio---, I can't disagree at all with your re-characterization of social engineering as social alchemy. I think there was an academic (Lowi? The End of Liberalism) who persuasively demonstrated a half-century ago how these top-down bureaucratic "alchemy experiments" went awry.

  177. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    What'd you do, Jonathan, just take an executive position down in Ecuador at a banana export firm? You act like you believe every word in the Wall Street Journal all of a sudden, and your comment is a parody of Old Prude's comment above.

    Hey, fat cat, supporting Social Security isn't the be-all-to-end-all, and it doesn't work anyway when lots of your immigrants are illegal and legal freeloading families. If we hadn't gotten 50 or more million immigrants over the last few years, maybe Americans would have felt more fiscally able to have their own children! It's the replacement theory thing, get it?

    I am so glad you're not a Jacksonville, Florida voter anymore - one of the few parts of Florida still in the South.

    Yes, your comment is bananas.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    I never read The Wall Street Journal, so if my opinions coincide with theirs, it is purely coincidence. (Or else they are plagiarizing my comments here and elsewhere.)

    Your remarks about Americans choosing not to have children for economic reasons make no sense. Ecuador is nowhere near as wealthy as the USA, but it is teeming with children, and the first subject of conversation when meeting a new person is always “how many children do you have?” and just the same way that English people always talk about the weather.

    However it is probably true that there are certain economic elements in American life that do not encourage people to start families, for example the high cost of giving birth, the high cost of care for small children whose mothers are working to earn money, and weak divorce laws in many states.

    It is noticeable that almost half of births in the US are paid for by Medicaid. Why is this? Why not give Medicaid to all pregnant women to encourage working women to have children.

    So probably legislators could do a bit more to encourage family formation. If Roe versus Wade is overturned, one consequence could be that there are probably going to be more single mothers in some states.

    Perhaps legislators can now look at making vasectomies and condoms illegal. After all, there is no God-given right to contraception mentioned in the Constitution.

    As regards Social Security, many illegal immigrants have social security tax deducted from their earnings, but they do not ever obtain benefits from the system, so they are a net plus for the US. If they return to their homelands, they will not become a burden on Medicare. They also pay state sales taxes on many purchases and gasoline taxes.

    Anyway, regardless of what the Wall Street journal says, I can guarantee you that there is no connection between the immigration policies of the US government and a desire by one party or the other to eliminate the white middle class.

    Your line of argument is simply that you are white middle class, and you are struggling financially, and that the government ought help you, and that dammit, even illegal immigrants are doing better than you!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    Same Socialist bullshit out of you - 75 years old, and you spent, what 25 years in America, yet you haven't learned a damned thing!

    Yes, there are lots of children in Ecuador vs. born from White Americans, proportion-wise. That's because White people have always been the most responsible people of the lot. That means they limit their families based on fiscal responsibility.

    All that free shit you mentioned that America ought to have? There's no free lunch, imbecile. It comes out of mostly White American Middle Class tax money. Your Medicaid example is a perfect example of your stupidity. Middle class Americans don't like to live on The State's money and The State's rules. I realize you were a worthless government worker for years, so you can't understand people with that mentality of freedom and independence.

    The least responsible people will have babies because they don't put a lot of though into consequences. In the long run - it's been 55 years of the Welfare State now - this breeds more irresponsible people and fewer responsible people.

    Then there's the other externalized stuff - emergency rooms charging $1,300 for half an hour - this was 10 years ago - because all the illegal aliens have to be covered. Some even close down due to the losses, and that's not good for families either. Illegal immigrants and foreigners of all sorts in large numbers ruin the schools, and force people to buy more expensive housing just for the schools*.

    Then there's AA going to everyone but White people. The more immigrants here, the worse one's chances are for a good career, and people may see that for their future (possible) children - responsible people, that is.


    .

    * Homeschooling is the way around this one.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    SS is a scam anyway. I don't count on that money one bit. It's just another tax that does not benefit me. One day, when the dollar fails. your guaranteed $2,500 SS check will buy you and your adopted Ecuadorian family a couple of McDonalds meals and a few gallons of gas. You'll have to live like an actual Ecuadorian and won't be this well-off American anymore. I wonder what the family will think then? What'd you gonna do, start a banana plantation?

    No, the illegals are a net loss anyway - I went over those externalities already. That's a LOT of money from White Americans.

    If you want to talk official government business, well I can tell you that loads of Hispanic illegals* make up a few dependents and go into the HR Block office to get big refunds. (My friend worked there.) Who said they are leaving the country? Almost none of them do, except for a spell to visit, or to lay low after a DUI or what-have-you. They are a drain.

    The way to do away with the loads single mothers is to get The State out of the 2nd-husband business. That means eliminating ALL of the "free shit" that you think is the solution.


    , I can guarantee you that there is no connection between the immigration policies of the US government and a desire by one party or the other to eliminate the white middle class.
     
    You can't guarantee a thing, Jonathan, as you haven't learned anything in your years. I didn't say "one party of the other" - this is all the elites - Big Biz icons, Feral Gov't big shots, maybe that top 0.1%. The absolutely don't like upstart competition in both business and politics.

    As for me and my family, we are doing very well financially, in fact, the best ever, even with inflation. Keeping in mind what I told you at the top, we are putting almost all our money into real assets. Otherwise, we won't be doing well before too long. I can see really bad times ahead for the economy.
    .

    * Alden can, and will, tell you about the rip-offs of the taxpayers' money by the Chinese immigrants.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    Finally for you, but mostly other readers: Why the anger and copious number of cusswords in that first reply? Here's a guy who has read iSteve's posts and the million great comments underneath them for 5 years or so, yet hasn't learned one thing, even of the very basics.

    You're hopeless, Jonathan Mason. Don't write me anymore.

  178. @Alden
    @William Badwhite

    The Colorado River is fed by thousands of creeks in N. Utah. Every year in May and June those creeks get the snowmelt from Montana Wyoming and Canada all the way to the arctic where the snow doesn’t melt. Every year those creeks in stone not hard clay, mountains have massive flows of water that drains into the Colorado River. A river that is so huge it goes into Mexico.

    The water has dug canyons large , medium and small stone canyons. Which means the water doesn’t permeate clay or spread over the surrounding land like the Mississippi Missouri system does every year. The water stays in the canyons. The flood water from as far north as the beginning of the arctic flows through those creeks into the Colorado River.

    The underground water aquifer might be drying out. But as long as it snows in Montana Wyoming, Canada and near the arctic circle there will be plenty of water for the Colorado.

    Global warming when snow and glaciers in the Arctic start melting the Colorado River will have so much water the south west and N Mexico will turn into a lush green humid jungle in a few centuries.

    It’s not common knowledge how and where the Colorado gets some of its water. But anyone who pontificates about the Colorado should learn something about it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jonathan Mason, @William Badwhite

    Source of your information about meltwater from the Arctic and Canada flowing into the Colorado River?

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @Jonathan Mason

    Come on, man, it goes underground.

  179. @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I never read The Wall Street Journal, so if my opinions coincide with theirs, it is purely coincidence. (Or else they are plagiarizing my comments here and elsewhere.)

    Your remarks about Americans choosing not to have children for economic reasons make no sense. Ecuador is nowhere near as wealthy as the USA, but it is teeming with children, and the first subject of conversation when meeting a new person is always "how many children do you have?" and just the same way that English people always talk about the weather.

    However it is probably true that there are certain economic elements in American life that do not encourage people to start families, for example the high cost of giving birth, the high cost of care for small children whose mothers are working to earn money, and weak divorce laws in many states.

    It is noticeable that almost half of births in the US are paid for by Medicaid. Why is this? Why not give Medicaid to all pregnant women to encourage working women to have children.

    So probably legislators could do a bit more to encourage family formation. If Roe versus Wade is overturned, one consequence could be that there are probably going to be more single mothers in some states.

    Perhaps legislators can now look at making vasectomies and condoms illegal. After all, there is no God-given right to contraception mentioned in the Constitution.

    As regards Social Security, many illegal immigrants have social security tax deducted from their earnings, but they do not ever obtain benefits from the system, so they are a net plus for the US. If they return to their homelands, they will not become a burden on Medicare. They also pay state sales taxes on many purchases and gasoline taxes.

    Anyway, regardless of what the Wall Street journal says, I can guarantee you that there is no connection between the immigration policies of the US government and a desire by one party or the other to eliminate the white middle class.

    Your line of argument is simply that you are white middle class, and you are struggling financially, and that the government ought help you, and that dammit, even illegal immigrants are doing better than you!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    Same Socialist bullshit out of you – 75 years old, and you spent, what 25 years in America, yet you haven’t learned a damned thing!

    Yes, there are lots of children in Ecuador vs. born from White Americans, proportion-wise. That’s because White people have always been the most responsible people of the lot. That means they limit their families based on fiscal responsibility.

    All that free shit you mentioned that America ought to have? There’s no free lunch, imbecile. It comes out of mostly White American Middle Class tax money. Your Medicaid example is a perfect example of your stupidity. Middle class Americans don’t like to live on The State’s money and The State’s rules. I realize you were a worthless government worker for years, so you can’t understand people with that mentality of freedom and independence.

    The least responsible people will have babies because they don’t put a lot of though into consequences. In the long run – it’s been 55 years of the Welfare State now – this breeds more irresponsible people and fewer responsible people.

    Then there’s the other externalized stuff – emergency rooms charging \$1,300 for half an hour – this was 10 years ago – because all the illegal aliens have to be covered. Some even close down due to the losses, and that’s not good for families either. Illegal immigrants and foreigners of all sorts in large numbers ruin the schools, and force people to buy more expensive housing just for the schools*.

    Then there’s AA going to everyone but White people. The more immigrants here, the worse one’s chances are for a good career, and people may see that for their future (possible) children – responsible people, that is.

    .

    * Homeschooling is the way around this one.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  180. @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I never read The Wall Street Journal, so if my opinions coincide with theirs, it is purely coincidence. (Or else they are plagiarizing my comments here and elsewhere.)

    Your remarks about Americans choosing not to have children for economic reasons make no sense. Ecuador is nowhere near as wealthy as the USA, but it is teeming with children, and the first subject of conversation when meeting a new person is always "how many children do you have?" and just the same way that English people always talk about the weather.

    However it is probably true that there are certain economic elements in American life that do not encourage people to start families, for example the high cost of giving birth, the high cost of care for small children whose mothers are working to earn money, and weak divorce laws in many states.

    It is noticeable that almost half of births in the US are paid for by Medicaid. Why is this? Why not give Medicaid to all pregnant women to encourage working women to have children.

    So probably legislators could do a bit more to encourage family formation. If Roe versus Wade is overturned, one consequence could be that there are probably going to be more single mothers in some states.

    Perhaps legislators can now look at making vasectomies and condoms illegal. After all, there is no God-given right to contraception mentioned in the Constitution.

    As regards Social Security, many illegal immigrants have social security tax deducted from their earnings, but they do not ever obtain benefits from the system, so they are a net plus for the US. If they return to their homelands, they will not become a burden on Medicare. They also pay state sales taxes on many purchases and gasoline taxes.

    Anyway, regardless of what the Wall Street journal says, I can guarantee you that there is no connection between the immigration policies of the US government and a desire by one party or the other to eliminate the white middle class.

    Your line of argument is simply that you are white middle class, and you are struggling financially, and that the government ought help you, and that dammit, even illegal immigrants are doing better than you!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    SS is a scam anyway. I don’t count on that money one bit. It’s just another tax that does not benefit me. One day, when the dollar fails. your guaranteed \$2,500 SS check will buy you and your adopted Ecuadorian family a couple of McDonalds meals and a few gallons of gas. You’ll have to live like an actual Ecuadorian and won’t be this well-off American anymore. I wonder what the family will think then? What’d you gonna do, start a banana plantation?

    No, the illegals are a net loss anyway – I went over those externalities already. That’s a LOT of money from White Americans.

    If you want to talk official government business, well I can tell you that loads of Hispanic illegals* make up a few dependents and go into the HR Block office to get big refunds. (My friend worked there.) Who said they are leaving the country? Almost none of them do, except for a spell to visit, or to lay low after a DUI or what-have-you. They are a drain.

    The way to do away with the loads single mothers is to get The State out of the 2nd-husband business. That means eliminating ALL of the “free shit” that you think is the solution.

    , I can guarantee you that there is no connection between the immigration policies of the US government and a desire by one party or the other to eliminate the white middle class.

    You can’t guarantee a thing, Jonathan, as you haven’t learned anything in your years. I didn’t say “one party of the other” – this is all the elites – Big Biz icons, Feral Gov’t big shots, maybe that top 0.1%. The absolutely don’t like upstart competition in both business and politics.

    As for me and my family, we are doing very well financially, in fact, the best ever, even with inflation. Keeping in mind what I told you at the top, we are putting almost all our money into real assets. Otherwise, we won’t be doing well before too long. I can see really bad times ahead for the economy.
    .

    * Alden can, and will, tell you about the rip-offs of the taxpayers’ money by the Chinese immigrants.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman


    SS is a scam anyway. I don’t count on that money one bit. It’s just another tax that does not benefit me. One day, when the dollar fails. your guaranteed $2,500 SS check will buy you and your adopted Ecuadorian family a couple of McDonalds meals and a few gallons of gas. You’ll have to live like an actual Ecuadorian and won’t be this well-off American anymore. I wonder what the family will think then? What’d you gonna do, start a banana plantation?
     
    Millions of Americans live in retirement on SS. One day you will get it too, unless you die first. If you do, then your children will be able to get financial support from SS.

    McDonalds meals are a luxury item price-wise and are crap content-wise.

    Ecuador mines its own gasoline and propane. A refill of a 40 lbs tank is $3.

    If the dollar fails the whole world econonomy fails, so we are all in the same boat.

    Anyway Ecuador is on the US dollar and will continue to export oil to China and get paid in Renminbi, which is also a reserve currency.

    Don't knock bananas. They are 20 for $1 in Ecuador right now. Or 10 plantains for $1.

    If you want to talk official government business, well I can tell you that loads of Hispanic illegals* make up a few dependents and go into the HR Block office to get big refunds. (My friend worked there.) Who said they are leaving the country? Almost none of them do, except for a spell to visit, or to lay low after a DUI or what-have-you.
     
    A lot of illegals send money home and then retire to the home country. Even legals who have citizenship do the same thing, only live on SS checks.

    I worked for H&R Block too. The whole business is a scam designed to gyp people out of their tax refunds, so H&R Block is very much in on the game of making it easy for illegals to participate in tax refund scams, and the bigger the refund, the more H&R B makes. Anyway, fiddling income taxes is the US national sport and you might want to ask Donald Trump about that if you don't believe me.
  181. jsm says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Oh geez.


    (although we can argue about what the correct level of controlled immigration should be – in a modern economy you need to have some movement)
     
    Naked, nonsensical, assertion. There is zero immigration/emmigration to/from planet Earth. Yet the Earth economy has positively boomed.

    There has been very little immigration--trivial in importance--to the most prosperous nations in history. Some--Japan--darn near absolute zero. Most very very little. Some trader people coming to cash in. Most people--post-neolithic--historically just were not that mobile. America--and the like Anglosphere colonies--decidedly the outliers. And their "immigration"--European conquest/settlement--was not what is being advocated today. Great nations have been great because the people in them are on the ball and achieve greatness themselves. And being great and prosperous are more able to stop other people from invading. (They are more likely instead to have a booming population and go invade other people!)

    And restrictive immigration laws are not some “natural” state of affairs but an artificial creation of human policy. Maybe it is a wise policy but it’s not some default state – it has to be the result of a conscious policy (and a constant effort to stem the natural flow).
     
    LOL. Typical Jewish verbal gymnastics/propaganda. You completely reverse what is "natural".

    What is natural is people living in their own communities with their own people, language, religion, traditions--culture. And keeping invaders out--if they are able to.

    Geez, read your own Torah. The Jews didn't get green cards to settle in Israel. They came in and kicked the crap out of the natives. Yeah, some of the natives--trying to survive--offered the traditional "let's swap some brides and co-exist/merge". The Jews killed them off anyway.

    That's what's "natural". And people--wisely!--trying to stop such immigrantion.

    No, it actually requires the super-state to stop Americans from protecting their communities. In the absence of the super-state white (and some others happy to assimilate) Americans would organically build and protect their own communities. Govern themselves. Restore rule-of-law. Keep out troublemakers. Keep out blacks, or at minimum, not allow blacks to run wild with their minoritarian-oppression privilege. Keep out foreigners, keeping their land and their communities for themselves and their prosperity. And this would quickly rebuild into a--only somewhat reduced--America with a border.

    That's what is "natural".

    Replies: @Jack D, @jsm

    . And being great and prosperous are more able to stop other people from invading. (They are more likely instead to have a booming population and go invade other people!)

    Aye. Liars like Jack like to pretend that immigration does good to the people already there. But immigration (really, invasion) always and everywhere benefits the incomers and hurts the residents.

    But since Jack’s people, imminvaders that they themselves are, have a bolthole, hey, for them it’s all good if everybody else comes to the places they’ve imminvaded, too.

  182. @Jonathan Mason
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I never read The Wall Street Journal, so if my opinions coincide with theirs, it is purely coincidence. (Or else they are plagiarizing my comments here and elsewhere.)

    Your remarks about Americans choosing not to have children for economic reasons make no sense. Ecuador is nowhere near as wealthy as the USA, but it is teeming with children, and the first subject of conversation when meeting a new person is always "how many children do you have?" and just the same way that English people always talk about the weather.

    However it is probably true that there are certain economic elements in American life that do not encourage people to start families, for example the high cost of giving birth, the high cost of care for small children whose mothers are working to earn money, and weak divorce laws in many states.

    It is noticeable that almost half of births in the US are paid for by Medicaid. Why is this? Why not give Medicaid to all pregnant women to encourage working women to have children.

    So probably legislators could do a bit more to encourage family formation. If Roe versus Wade is overturned, one consequence could be that there are probably going to be more single mothers in some states.

    Perhaps legislators can now look at making vasectomies and condoms illegal. After all, there is no God-given right to contraception mentioned in the Constitution.

    As regards Social Security, many illegal immigrants have social security tax deducted from their earnings, but they do not ever obtain benefits from the system, so they are a net plus for the US. If they return to their homelands, they will not become a burden on Medicare. They also pay state sales taxes on many purchases and gasoline taxes.

    Anyway, regardless of what the Wall Street journal says, I can guarantee you that there is no connection between the immigration policies of the US government and a desire by one party or the other to eliminate the white middle class.

    Your line of argument is simply that you are white middle class, and you are struggling financially, and that the government ought help you, and that dammit, even illegal immigrants are doing better than you!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    Finally for you, but mostly other readers: Why the anger and copious number of cusswords in that first reply? Here’s a guy who has read iSteve’s posts and the million great comments underneath them for 5 years or so, yet hasn’t learned one thing, even of the very basics.

    You’re hopeless, Jonathan Mason. Don’t write me anymore.

  183. Thea says:
    @SafeNow
    California here (i.e., I get to observe immigrants). I will add three points to the discussion:

    1. “Mirroring” on the part of many whites exists. They see “good enough” all around them, and so, at some level, they surrender to it. Thus, they self-replace their former conscientious, fastidious, proficient selves. Academic “dumbing-down” is a corollary.

    2. As Trump said, Not their best people. A leafblower immigrant is not the same as an immigrant with a degree in horticulture.

    3. I give a pass to my Chinese-American docs, who answer my stupid questions with incredible patience, politeness, and non-arrogance. Cuck me, hate me, troll me, but the fact remains they are decent and all the rest. And the vet tech. Etc.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @anonymous, @Thea

    Chinese doctors( and Middle Eastern and African) represent brain drain.

    Very little attention is paid to the price countries pay when they are the source of immigrants for other countries. It makes development all but impossible. Additionally, as a child I found moving to south Florida horribly traumatic due to different culture and climate from the NE. I imagine children suffer horribly when they leave to a whole new country. This is just cruel.

    About 20 years ago someone gave a speech to a receptive and very mixed ( not white nationalists) audience about how the real hope for Guatemalans was in Guatemala. Hold your own governors’ feet to the fire instead of leaving. Don’t remember the speaker but I remember a black lady in the audience. Her eyes got really big when he showed graphs of what was coming.

  184. @Achmed E. Newman
    @kahein

    You must be reading a different thread. AnotherDad pounded JackD into the gound.

    Jack D, you know a lot about a lot and are helpful about spreading that knowledge. I seem to agree with you on ideology 90% of the time. On the immigration issue, you've been reaching for lots of BS that not everyone goes for anymore.

    Do you really think that only the one group of people should not be able to live by themselves on the land they settled over 400 years?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jonathan Mason

    I don’t know what you are talking about. Immigration is a global phenomenon. Just in this thread, Jonathan mentions that people from other countries in S. America immigrate to Ecuador. Of course, Argentina and Brazil both were settled by (non-Iberian) immigrants. Europe is full of immigrants as is the prosperous part middle east. Australia is all immigrants. Pretty much any prosperous country is going to attract immigrants.

    My personal view is that there is an optimal level of immigration (which is somewhat less than we have now, counting illegal immigration) and that it should be controlled. What we have now, where the government is basically helpless to set the immigration level because you can just walk in and in many cases stay for life, is ridiculous but sealing the borders completely is equally ridiculous – our prosperity is based on the existence of a global economy where people, goods and services move relatively freely (but hopefully in a controlled manner). Russia is about to find out what happens when you cut yourself off from the global economy – it’s not going to be pretty.

    Another Dad’s Ozzie and Harriet world where everyone is white and drives an American made sedan is a fantasy – it never really existed except briefly in certain spots (one of which happened to be the time and place of AD’s childhood) and it sure isn’t coming back. (BTW, I just realized yesterday that Buick no longer makes any sedans – if you want a Buick, you have a choice of a small, medium or large SUV – you can have any car you want as long as it is an SUV. One of them is made in China.)

    This is our national politics in general – people get pushed to the extremes and moderation gets lost.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    Of course. I have lived in five countries, three of them islands. National borders are just a temporary artificial construct. Even in the Old Testament.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43cfPgZ8cU8

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    No, Jack, there's nothing normal about massive immigration from here to there all over the world. South America was settled, as you wrote, and the same with North American and Australia. That's different from massive immigration.

    You Australia does have prosperous immigrants, most from China, I'd bet. How does that help Australians, just that they brought big amounts of cash with them? Australians could have done whatever jobs these immigrants are doing and kept their country.

    Your 2nd paragraph is more reasonable, but I'd set the level at just a couple hundred thousand a year MAX. You are bright enough to have noticed that there is not much assimilation of immigrants when they come in large numbers. Or the number could be set at 0. I'd say that's American's business.

    I also think you see the Feral Gov't as just incompetent in setting numbers rather than being purposefully destructive. Yes, without a good border barrier, setting the numbers is fruitless (as it is for deportations). However, there's no reason besides ill will toward Americans that this couldn't have been built in a year, and years ago, for about 10-20% of the money the Congress wants to give to the Ukraine.

    More in a bit on your general point.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    One of your examples is Jonathan Mason's new home, Ecuador - from England to north Florida to Ecuador - no real roots I guess... where have we heard about this? "Somewheres" v "Anywheres". (I'm pretty sure right here on iSteve.)

    Listen Jack, Ecuador can do WTF they want. Maybe immigration from Japan, as Peru has had, WOULD be good for them. However, that's up to the people of Ecuador. I would bet that the government of Ecuador cares lots more about who comes to live there than the US Feral Gov't does about here.

    Back to Australia, do the Aussies like that their country is becoming multicultural and not that White Australia of the old AC/DC w/ Bon Scott video shot in Melbourne. Oh, I know, you say, that's all Ozzie and Harriet, a brief moment. The hell you say. Australia was large majority White throughout it's history as a country, and America was too (other than in the South). There's no reason they both could not be today. If I go to France, I'd expect to see a country full of French people, Australia, Australians, and China, Chinese (oops, they are in that case, right?)

    I want to know HOW COME it's just the White world* that is told all its lands must belong to anyone from anywhere? Nobody gets on the case of President Xi about China letting in 10,000,000 foreigners a year - the same rate we have right now. They would tell you you're crazy! Nobody's on the case of Ecuador to do so, or India (well,...) or Mexico (they've got a lot of land too), or any wide-open African country (there still is lots of open land on the continent), or Saudi Arabia. I could go on.

    .

    * With the exception of couple of ex-East-Bloc countries, but the EU is trying!

    Japan has been pressured but hasn't given in yet.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Finally, regarding your paragraph on economic prosperity. NOBODY (beside you) says there must be large scale, or ANY, immigration into a country for it to be prosperous. Who told you that crap?

    Globalism in trade is one thing. Globalist trade in people - aka, fungible labor, as elites see it - is another. There could have been a country full of White Americans still, but, no, not a country of American land yachts. The economy changes. Even the trade of goods and services with no tariffs is a debatable topic - remember that giant sucking sound? Huge invasions of people into your country, or your country will be poor? C'mon!

    About Russia, nothing to do with the war, since I don't follow any of it, but good on 'em if they did have the resources to make their own way in the world. Maybe that's not likely at all, but that's what business is about. I know that America's Founders wanted this country to be self-sufficient. They didn't know the value of some the resources, coal, oil, etc., but they understood how blessed this nation was by this great land.

    Throughout history, other than large-scale conquests and some forced movements of people (end of WWII, for example), there was no large-scale immigration around the world from here to there and everywhere.

    BTW, from what I read of 100 year-ago history, passports weren't used that awful much, at least around Euro countries. Yeah, a British scientist could enter France to study or Lenin could go to Germany to plan his Communist activities with no trouble. Wait, what, weren't they worried about overstayers? Yeah, well, see most people wanted to live in their respective countries, other than to get out as refugees during wartime or something.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @vinteuil
    @Jack D


    ...there is an optimal level of immigration (which is somewhat less than we have now, counting illegal immigration)
     
    Really? so what is that "optimal level of immigration?" And what is your criterion for the "optimal level of immigration?"

    Let me take a wild guess: your criterion takes NO ACCOUNT WHATSOEVER of the welfare of working class gentiles.

    ...the government is basically helpless to set the immigration level...
     
    \

    Jeezus, Jack D. You are so full of shit.
    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    It is interesting to contrast the laws of other countries to the US. Here is a clip from the preamble to the Ecuador Organic Law on Human Mobility )(2017):

    Article 2. Principles. The following are the principles of this Law:

    Universal citizenship. The acknowledgment of human being’s power to mobilize freely
    around the planet means the existence of their human rights regardless of their migratory status, nationality, and place of origin, which will lead to progressively end their status as a foreign nationals.


    Free human mobility. The legal and political acknowledgment of the exercise of universal citizenship means the State’s protecting the mobilization of any person, family,human group that intends to circulate and remain in the place of destination on a temporary or definitive basis.

    Prohibition to criminalize. No person shall be subject to criminal penalties because of a condition of human mobility. All migratory infringements shall of administrative nature.

    Contrast this to the cruel and punitive laws implemented in the US by cabals of lawyers and legislators who lock up refugees and put children in cages.

    Ecuador is host to over 60,000 refugees, 95 per cent of whom are Colombians. This is the largest refugee population in Latin America. Many relocate to get away from extortion by gangsters and drug cartels in Colombia.

    OK, not as many as in the US, which is a much bigger country, but at least an attempt is made to treat them humanely and not to classify them as being worth 1/3 of a person or put them in cages.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-feb-12-la-fg-ecuador-refugees13-2010feb13-story.html

    Replies: @vinteuil

  185. @Achmed E. Newman
    That's indeed the case for the journalists and D politicians, but (sarcasm filter employed) I think you give the GOP pols too much credit. They have let this go way too far for way too long. Maybe it's not low IQ but a lack of integrity to do what's right. They have been loyal to their Big-Biz donors, and they want to fit in in the beltway cocktail party circuit.

    That fits in with what you say about "We're Good". Many go over to the "Good People" side out of cowardice and lack of integrity.

    What Tucker sometimes gets into is the REAL overarching reason the elites want mass immigration. It's not just for the votes, though importing people from countries with no concept of freedom/rights/etc. certainly helps in this. They want to eliminate the White Middle Class, period. The White Middle Class has (had?) disposable income, extra time, and great organizational skills to compete against the rich in business ventures and in politics. They don't like that!

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Alden, @Jonathan Mason, @Richard B

    They have been loyal to their Big-Biz donors, and they want to fit in in the beltway cocktail party circuit.

    That is, untill they too are replaced.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  186. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jonathan Mason

    SS is a scam anyway. I don't count on that money one bit. It's just another tax that does not benefit me. One day, when the dollar fails. your guaranteed $2,500 SS check will buy you and your adopted Ecuadorian family a couple of McDonalds meals and a few gallons of gas. You'll have to live like an actual Ecuadorian and won't be this well-off American anymore. I wonder what the family will think then? What'd you gonna do, start a banana plantation?

    No, the illegals are a net loss anyway - I went over those externalities already. That's a LOT of money from White Americans.

    If you want to talk official government business, well I can tell you that loads of Hispanic illegals* make up a few dependents and go into the HR Block office to get big refunds. (My friend worked there.) Who said they are leaving the country? Almost none of them do, except for a spell to visit, or to lay low after a DUI or what-have-you. They are a drain.

    The way to do away with the loads single mothers is to get The State out of the 2nd-husband business. That means eliminating ALL of the "free shit" that you think is the solution.


    , I can guarantee you that there is no connection between the immigration policies of the US government and a desire by one party or the other to eliminate the white middle class.
     
    You can't guarantee a thing, Jonathan, as you haven't learned anything in your years. I didn't say "one party of the other" - this is all the elites - Big Biz icons, Feral Gov't big shots, maybe that top 0.1%. The absolutely don't like upstart competition in both business and politics.

    As for me and my family, we are doing very well financially, in fact, the best ever, even with inflation. Keeping in mind what I told you at the top, we are putting almost all our money into real assets. Otherwise, we won't be doing well before too long. I can see really bad times ahead for the economy.
    .

    * Alden can, and will, tell you about the rip-offs of the taxpayers' money by the Chinese immigrants.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    SS is a scam anyway. I don’t count on that money one bit. It’s just another tax that does not benefit me. One day, when the dollar fails. your guaranteed \$2,500 SS check will buy you and your adopted Ecuadorian family a couple of McDonalds meals and a few gallons of gas. You’ll have to live like an actual Ecuadorian and won’t be this well-off American anymore. I wonder what the family will think then? What’d you gonna do, start a banana plantation?

    Millions of Americans live in retirement on SS. One day you will get it too, unless you die first. If you do, then your children will be able to get financial support from SS.

    McDonalds meals are a luxury item price-wise and are crap content-wise.

    Ecuador mines its own gasoline and propane. A refill of a 40 lbs tank is \$3.

    If the dollar fails the whole world econonomy fails, so we are all in the same boat.

    Anyway Ecuador is on the US dollar and will continue to export oil to China and get paid in Renminbi, which is also a reserve currency.

    Don’t knock bananas. They are 20 for \$1 in Ecuador right now. Or 10 plantains for \$1.

    If you want to talk official government business, well I can tell you that loads of Hispanic illegals* make up a few dependents and go into the HR Block office to get big refunds. (My friend worked there.) Who said they are leaving the country? Almost none of them do, except for a spell to visit, or to lay low after a DUI or what-have-you.

    A lot of illegals send money home and then retire to the home country. Even legals who have citizenship do the same thing, only live on SS checks.

    I worked for H&R Block too. The whole business is a scam designed to gyp people out of their tax refunds, so H&R Block is very much in on the game of making it easy for illegals to participate in tax refund scams, and the bigger the refund, the more H&R B makes. Anyway, fiddling income taxes is the US national sport and you might want to ask Donald Trump about that if you don’t believe me.

  187. @Alden
    @William Badwhite

    The Colorado River is fed by thousands of creeks in N. Utah. Every year in May and June those creeks get the snowmelt from Montana Wyoming and Canada all the way to the arctic where the snow doesn’t melt. Every year those creeks in stone not hard clay, mountains have massive flows of water that drains into the Colorado River. A river that is so huge it goes into Mexico.

    The water has dug canyons large , medium and small stone canyons. Which means the water doesn’t permeate clay or spread over the surrounding land like the Mississippi Missouri system does every year. The water stays in the canyons. The flood water from as far north as the beginning of the arctic flows through those creeks into the Colorado River.

    The underground water aquifer might be drying out. But as long as it snows in Montana Wyoming, Canada and near the arctic circle there will be plenty of water for the Colorado.

    Global warming when snow and glaciers in the Arctic start melting the Colorado River will have so much water the south west and N Mexico will turn into a lush green humid jungle in a few centuries.

    It’s not common knowledge how and where the Colorado gets some of its water. But anyone who pontificates about the Colorado should learn something about it.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jonathan Mason, @William Badwhite

    A river that is so huge it goes into Mexico.

    Very little flows into Mexico anymore, in some years none.

    The flood water from as far north as the beginning of the arctic flows through those creeks into the Colorado River.

    No it doesn’t.

    as long as it snows in Montana Wyoming, Canada and near the arctic circle there will be plenty of water for the Colorado.

    You’re confusing the Missouri and the Columbia with the Colorado.

    Global warming when snow and glaciers in the Arctic start melting the Colorado River will have so much water the south west and N Mexico will turn into a lush green humid jungle in a few centuries.

    Perfect, now we can cram another 40mm people into the arid southwest.

    But anyone who pontificates about the Colorado should learn something about it.

    Agreed. I’d suggest you start with an atlas, then skim Stegner’s “Beyond the Hundredth Meridian”. Also consider a raft trip down the Colorado from Lake Powell to maybe Sandy Point. You can also hike in near where the Little Colorado runs into the Colorado or to Bright Angel campground. Avoid the motorized trips, the noise ruins the experience.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @William Badwhite

    Local watershed Colorado river.

    https://d32ogoqmya1dw8.cloudfront.net/images/trex/students/labs/graphic_colorado_river_basinb.v2_744.jpg

    North American watersheds.

    https://d9-wret.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/assets/palladium/production/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/watershed_map.png

    On the larger map the Colorado River watershed is the area colored maroon, touching onto the light blue.

  188. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don't know what you are talking about. Immigration is a global phenomenon. Just in this thread, Jonathan mentions that people from other countries in S. America immigrate to Ecuador. Of course, Argentina and Brazil both were settled by (non-Iberian) immigrants. Europe is full of immigrants as is the prosperous part middle east. Australia is all immigrants. Pretty much any prosperous country is going to attract immigrants.

    My personal view is that there is an optimal level of immigration (which is somewhat less than we have now, counting illegal immigration) and that it should be controlled. What we have now, where the government is basically helpless to set the immigration level because you can just walk in and in many cases stay for life, is ridiculous but sealing the borders completely is equally ridiculous - our prosperity is based on the existence of a global economy where people, goods and services move relatively freely (but hopefully in a controlled manner). Russia is about to find out what happens when you cut yourself off from the global economy - it's not going to be pretty.

    Another Dad's Ozzie and Harriet world where everyone is white and drives an American made sedan is a fantasy - it never really existed except briefly in certain spots (one of which happened to be the time and place of AD's childhood) and it sure isn't coming back. (BTW, I just realized yesterday that Buick no longer makes any sedans - if you want a Buick, you have a choice of a small, medium or large SUV - you can have any car you want as long as it is an SUV. One of them is made in China.)

    This is our national politics in general - people get pushed to the extremes and moderation gets lost.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @vinteuil, @Jonathan Mason

    Of course. I have lived in five countries, three of them islands. National borders are just a temporary artificial construct. Even in the Old Testament.

  189. @William Badwhite
    @Alden


    A river that is so huge it goes into Mexico.
     
    Very little flows into Mexico anymore, in some years none.

    The flood water from as far north as the beginning of the arctic flows through those creeks into the Colorado River.
     
    No it doesn't.

    as long as it snows in Montana Wyoming, Canada and near the arctic circle there will be plenty of water for the Colorado.
     
    You're confusing the Missouri and the Columbia with the Colorado.


    Global warming when snow and glaciers in the Arctic start melting the Colorado River will have so much water the south west and N Mexico will turn into a lush green humid jungle in a few centuries.
     
    Perfect, now we can cram another 40mm people into the arid southwest.

    But anyone who pontificates about the Colorado should learn something about it.
     
    Agreed. I'd suggest you start with an atlas, then skim Stegner's "Beyond the Hundredth Meridian". Also consider a raft trip down the Colorado from Lake Powell to maybe Sandy Point. You can also hike in near where the Little Colorado runs into the Colorado or to Bright Angel campground. Avoid the motorized trips, the noise ruins the experience.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Local watershed Colorado river.

    North American watersheds.

    On the larger map the Colorado River watershed is the area colored maroon, touching onto the light blue.

  190. @Hhsiii
    @guest007

    And the Italian-Americans where I live are not Democrats. I’ve got a retired cop on one side, retired fireman on the other (so on the government dole, but nevertheless), and one of Steve’s auto body shop owners down the street. We got Dont Tread on Me flags on the lawns. Maybe their grandfathers were Dems.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Corn

    If Italian-Americans aren’t on our side we should try to bring them over. I remember a few years back someone here said in their experience Italians don’t turn to jelly when someone cries “Racist!” the way Nordics do.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Corn

    I've noticed for many years that Italian -Americans are the strongest proponents in terms of enforcing our immigration laws.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  191. @guest007
    @Pincher Martin

    But would whites want to live in an area with a large number of blacks or a large number of hispanics. The Compton data shows that progressive whites do not mind large hispanic immigration because that immigration pushes blacks out of the state. That is why blacks have been moving out of California. Blacks make up 8% of Los Angeles county and 11% of Alameda County. The race riots that occurred after the Rodney King verdict could hot happen today because there are not enough blacks to riot.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Richard B

    But would whites want to live in an area with a large number of blacks or a large number of hispanics.

    Obviously whites want to live with other whites.

    In any event, your Either/Or question proves that The Great Replacement is no theory.

  192. reactionary thought has always been based around mythic reset points — and among the stupidest and most myopic ever has to be the one supposedly found in the “50s.” The 50s were prosperous for many reasons, but key among them is that new blood — read, joo and catholic blood — were inching out onto center stage (and really had been since the WPA years)

    a huge irony here (that like many, flies high over the heads of “heartlander” deplorables, gazing up in stupefaction) is that the country’s wave of self-congratulatory postwar religiosity did nothing but hasten the transition

  193. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    The problem with blaming everything on the Jews is that even if you get rid of the Jews nothing really changes because they aren’t really the root cause of the problem to begin with.
     
    Jack--

    For the record, I have never blamed the current crisis entirely on the Jews. I have listed--several times--5, 6, or 7 reasons (depending on how you count). And the zeroth order reason is "the nature of white people"--i.e. the psychological openness, empathy, universality of Western Christian peoples. (A strength in building high-trust nations, but a weakness in the present age.) The Japanese for instance who took a particular Japanese, non-Christian approach to building their high trust nation are a much different and apparently tougher nut.

    Two of the bigger reasons:
    1) "Diversity is the health of the state".
    I did not coin "minoritarianism". This rogue ideology is pretty obvious once you open your eyes and other smart people--John Derbyshire--beat me to giving it the obvious label. But I do think I'm the first to come up with "Diversity is the health of the state".

    Managing diversity--a replacement for war--empowers the state. And diverse peoples both a) balkanize the population weakening resistance to the managers and b) provide a vote bank for the state party.

    2) Cheap labor.
    The siren call of cheap labor is a driver. And also just the general idea of the free flow of goods, capital and labor are appealing for the people who are the "winners" with the free flow of goods, capital and labor. And, of course, those people are powerful, influential and can buy lackeys to propagandize.

    But I've got several more.


    What I do claim is that
    -- minoritarianism--majorities oppressive/evil; minorities oppressed/virtuous--is fundamentally a Jewish concocted/propagandize/driven/enforced ideology. (The idea that a smart, verbal, wealthy, influential minority drove minoritarianism is supposed to be shocking or something. Actually the reverse would be bizarre. That minorities push minoritarianism is the height of ordinary self-interest.)

    -- immigrationism as an ideology and moral conceit is a heavily Jewish drive ideology.
    Jews are a minority who have existed for two thousand years middle manning in other people's nations. They like other people's nations being open for their middle manning and they they like the idea that there's someplace to run to when they natives inevitably get pissed at them. So again, that Jews have been the super-pushers of immigration as a moral ideology is hardly surprising.

    -- anti-geneticism
    Not one of my big two, but I would also say Jews have been the big--really the only--drivers of the anti-empirical, anti-genetic ideology ideology pretty much against all the Anglo guys who figured out and mathematically systematized the field. This one is crystal clear on the people--the top ten anti-scientists could form a minyan. But it's less obvious on the driver. Basically it seems to be the desire to generally deny (for white gentiles) the existence of ethno-national interests.


    In sum, I give Jews the primary credit/blame for developing and propagandizing the minoritarian ideological and attitudinal environment we are now in. For the moral inversion, where breaking nations and screwing the ordinary working man is elite "good think".

    Replies: @neutral, @Jack D

    Jews have been the big–really the only–drivers of the anti-empirical, anti-genetic ideology ideology pretty much against all the Anglo guys who figured out and mathematically systematized the field.

    Gee, can you think of any reason why Jews would be opposed to the idea that the taint is in the blood?

  194. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don't know what you are talking about. Immigration is a global phenomenon. Just in this thread, Jonathan mentions that people from other countries in S. America immigrate to Ecuador. Of course, Argentina and Brazil both were settled by (non-Iberian) immigrants. Europe is full of immigrants as is the prosperous part middle east. Australia is all immigrants. Pretty much any prosperous country is going to attract immigrants.

    My personal view is that there is an optimal level of immigration (which is somewhat less than we have now, counting illegal immigration) and that it should be controlled. What we have now, where the government is basically helpless to set the immigration level because you can just walk in and in many cases stay for life, is ridiculous but sealing the borders completely is equally ridiculous - our prosperity is based on the existence of a global economy where people, goods and services move relatively freely (but hopefully in a controlled manner). Russia is about to find out what happens when you cut yourself off from the global economy - it's not going to be pretty.

    Another Dad's Ozzie and Harriet world where everyone is white and drives an American made sedan is a fantasy - it never really existed except briefly in certain spots (one of which happened to be the time and place of AD's childhood) and it sure isn't coming back. (BTW, I just realized yesterday that Buick no longer makes any sedans - if you want a Buick, you have a choice of a small, medium or large SUV - you can have any car you want as long as it is an SUV. One of them is made in China.)

    This is our national politics in general - people get pushed to the extremes and moderation gets lost.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @vinteuil, @Jonathan Mason

    No, Jack, there’s nothing normal about massive immigration from here to there all over the world. South America was settled, as you wrote, and the same with North American and Australia. That’s different from massive immigration.

    You Australia does have prosperous immigrants, most from China, I’d bet. How does that help Australians, just that they brought big amounts of cash with them? Australians could have done whatever jobs these immigrants are doing and kept their country.

    Your 2nd paragraph is more reasonable, but I’d set the level at just a couple hundred thousand a year MAX. You are bright enough to have noticed that there is not much assimilation of immigrants when they come in large numbers. Or the number could be set at 0. I’d say that’s American’s business.

    I also think you see the Feral Gov’t as just incompetent in setting numbers rather than being purposefully destructive. Yes, without a good border barrier, setting the numbers is fruitless (as it is for deportations). However, there’s no reason besides ill will toward Americans that this couldn’t have been built in a year, and years ago, for about 10-20% of the money the Congress wants to give to the Ukraine.

    More in a bit on your general point.

  195. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don't know what you are talking about. Immigration is a global phenomenon. Just in this thread, Jonathan mentions that people from other countries in S. America immigrate to Ecuador. Of course, Argentina and Brazil both were settled by (non-Iberian) immigrants. Europe is full of immigrants as is the prosperous part middle east. Australia is all immigrants. Pretty much any prosperous country is going to attract immigrants.

    My personal view is that there is an optimal level of immigration (which is somewhat less than we have now, counting illegal immigration) and that it should be controlled. What we have now, where the government is basically helpless to set the immigration level because you can just walk in and in many cases stay for life, is ridiculous but sealing the borders completely is equally ridiculous - our prosperity is based on the existence of a global economy where people, goods and services move relatively freely (but hopefully in a controlled manner). Russia is about to find out what happens when you cut yourself off from the global economy - it's not going to be pretty.

    Another Dad's Ozzie and Harriet world where everyone is white and drives an American made sedan is a fantasy - it never really existed except briefly in certain spots (one of which happened to be the time and place of AD's childhood) and it sure isn't coming back. (BTW, I just realized yesterday that Buick no longer makes any sedans - if you want a Buick, you have a choice of a small, medium or large SUV - you can have any car you want as long as it is an SUV. One of them is made in China.)

    This is our national politics in general - people get pushed to the extremes and moderation gets lost.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @vinteuil, @Jonathan Mason

    One of your examples is Jonathan Mason’s new home, Ecuador – from England to north Florida to Ecuador – no real roots I guess… where have we heard about this? “Somewheres” v “Anywheres”. (I’m pretty sure right here on iSteve.)

    Listen Jack, Ecuador can do WTF they want. Maybe immigration from Japan, as Peru has had, WOULD be good for them. However, that’s up to the people of Ecuador. I would bet that the government of Ecuador cares lots more about who comes to live there than the US Feral Gov’t does about here.

    Back to Australia, do the Aussies like that their country is becoming multicultural and not that White Australia of the old AC/DC w/ Bon Scott video shot in Melbourne. Oh, I know, you say, that’s all Ozzie and Harriet, a brief moment. The hell you say. Australia was large majority White throughout it’s history as a country, and America was too (other than in the South). There’s no reason they both could not be today. If I go to France, I’d expect to see a country full of French people, Australia, Australians, and China, Chinese (oops, they are in that case, right?)

    I want to know HOW COME it’s just the White world* that is told all its lands must belong to anyone from anywhere? Nobody gets on the case of President Xi about China letting in 10,000,000 foreigners a year – the same rate we have right now. They would tell you you’re crazy! Nobody’s on the case of Ecuador to do so, or India (well,…) or Mexico (they’ve got a lot of land too), or any wide-open African country (there still is lots of open land on the continent), or Saudi Arabia. I could go on.

    .

    * With the exception of couple of ex-East-Bloc countries, but the EU is trying!

    Japan has been pressured but hasn’t given in yet.

  196. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don't know what you are talking about. Immigration is a global phenomenon. Just in this thread, Jonathan mentions that people from other countries in S. America immigrate to Ecuador. Of course, Argentina and Brazil both were settled by (non-Iberian) immigrants. Europe is full of immigrants as is the prosperous part middle east. Australia is all immigrants. Pretty much any prosperous country is going to attract immigrants.

    My personal view is that there is an optimal level of immigration (which is somewhat less than we have now, counting illegal immigration) and that it should be controlled. What we have now, where the government is basically helpless to set the immigration level because you can just walk in and in many cases stay for life, is ridiculous but sealing the borders completely is equally ridiculous - our prosperity is based on the existence of a global economy where people, goods and services move relatively freely (but hopefully in a controlled manner). Russia is about to find out what happens when you cut yourself off from the global economy - it's not going to be pretty.

    Another Dad's Ozzie and Harriet world where everyone is white and drives an American made sedan is a fantasy - it never really existed except briefly in certain spots (one of which happened to be the time and place of AD's childhood) and it sure isn't coming back. (BTW, I just realized yesterday that Buick no longer makes any sedans - if you want a Buick, you have a choice of a small, medium or large SUV - you can have any car you want as long as it is an SUV. One of them is made in China.)

    This is our national politics in general - people get pushed to the extremes and moderation gets lost.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @vinteuil, @Jonathan Mason

    Finally, regarding your paragraph on economic prosperity. NOBODY (beside you) says there must be large scale, or ANY, immigration into a country for it to be prosperous. Who told you that crap?

    Globalism in trade is one thing. Globalist trade in people – aka, fungible labor, as elites see it – is another. There could have been a country full of White Americans still, but, no, not a country of American land yachts. The economy changes. Even the trade of goods and services with no tariffs is a debatable topic – remember that giant sucking sound? Huge invasions of people into your country, or your country will be poor? C’mon!

    About Russia, nothing to do with the war, since I don’t follow any of it, but good on ’em if they did have the resources to make their own way in the world. Maybe that’s not likely at all, but that’s what business is about. I know that America’s Founders wanted this country to be self-sufficient. They didn’t know the value of some the resources, coal, oil, etc., but they understood how blessed this nation was by this great land.

    Throughout history, other than large-scale conquests and some forced movements of people (end of WWII, for example), there was no large-scale immigration around the world from here to there and everywhere.

    BTW, from what I read of 100 year-ago history, passports weren’t used that awful much, at least around Euro countries. Yeah, a British scientist could enter France to study or Lenin could go to Germany to plan his Communist activities with no trouble. Wait, what, weren’t they worried about overstayers? Yeah, well, see most people wanted to live in their respective countries, other than to get out as refugees during wartime or something.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman


    there was no large-scale immigration around the world from here to there and everywhere.
     
    This is a highly distorted version of history. The entire human history of the planet could be understood in terms of migrations. If you focus your lens on some short interval of time, it may appear that people are static and often are born and die within a small radius of their birth place, but if you zoom out to a larger scale, everyone (except maybe the Bushmen of S. Africa) is from somewhere else. Even the great Anglo-Saxons - I will give you a clue - Saxony is in Germany.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Invasions_of_the_Roman_Empire_1.png

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  197. @Pincher Martin
    @guest007


    But would whites want to live in an area with a large number of blacks or a large number of hispanics.
     
    If forced to choose between those two alternatives, they quite clearly would choose to live in Hispanic neighborhoods.

    But given a wider and more realistic set of choices, most whites would choose to live in neither. And that happens to resemble the world we live in today. Most white people in CA carve out socioeconomic enclaves that enable them to avoid living in Hispanic- and especially black-dominated neighborhoods


    The Compton data shows that progressive whites do not mind large hispanic immigration because that immigration pushes blacks out of the state.
     
    Nothing in Compton's data allows you to come to such a conclusion. Immigration into the state (of both Hispanics and Asians) has not just pushed a few blacks out of the state, it has also pushed a lot more whites out of the state.

    There are fewer non-Hispanic whites in California now (13.7 million) than there were in 1990 (17 million). Some of that might be due to recategorization, as many Californians either choose not to identify as white in 2020 who might have - or whose parents might have - identified as white in 1990, or because one of their white parents intermarried with another race and they chose to identify as something other than white.

    But most of the reduction is due to white workers and the elderly moving out of the state.

    Meanwhile, the black population in California in 2020 is almost identical to what it was in 2020. Around 2.1 million.

    So immigration has been more successful in pushing whites out of California than it has in pushing blacks out of California.


    Blacks make up 8% of Los Angeles county and 11% of Alameda County. The race riots that occurred after the Rodney King verdict could hot happen today because there are not enough blacks to riot.
     
    Yeah, look at the lack of violent BLM protests in Portland (6% black) and Seattle (7% black) recently.

    California never had a high percentage of blacks among its population. Never. It has always been well below the threshold of the national black population (around 12%). In 1990, for example, blacks represented just 7.4% of the state population. In 1970, they were a flat 7% of the state population.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Escher, @guest007

    Los Angeles Unified School District is only 7.7% black and 74% Hispanic. Hispanics have pushed blacks out of Los Angeles much like they are pushing blacks out of Dallas Houston, Oakland, etc.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @guest007

    But LA - just like the state of California - was never that black. So what we are seeing is less the replacement of blacks, less the pushing them out of the state, than the swamping of a steady and small population through immigration.

  198. @Batman
    @guest007

    My impression is the blacks get militarized in college because of the mismatch. Every single black gets such an overwhelming affirmative action boost that they can't hang in traditional majors, so they all get sorted into the Grievance Studies ghetto. I anecdotally have not observed that with Hispanics and non DOAS blacks.

    Replies: @guest007

    And how does mismatch explain the militant blacks coming out of Howard, Hampton, Morehouse, etc?

  199. @HammerJack
    @HammerJack

    Totally unrelated, I was listening to my man Lee Dorsey again. His tagline, in case you've forgotten: "Lawd, I so tired!"

    https://i.ibb.co/DtYKtj0/Screenshot-20220517-074803-Gallery.jpg

    Replies: @fish

    Yeah….looks like all sorts of productive stuff is gettin done!

    • Replies: @Charon
    @fish

    But de girl so happy. What you problem white man.

  200. @Corn
    @Hhsiii

    If Italian-Americans aren’t on our side we should try to bring them over. I remember a few years back someone here said in their experience Italians don’t turn to jelly when someone cries “Racist!” the way Nordics do.

    Replies: @Anon

    I’ve noticed for many years that Italian -Americans are the strongest proponents in terms of enforcing our immigration laws.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Some are, some aren't. But the healthy diversity of opinion among Italian-Americans compares to the romanticized monolith of opinion among their fellow Ellis Islanders, Jewish-Americans.

  201. @MEH 0910
    David French Retweeted:
    https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/1526532571399700481

    https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/1526534512225792001

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Bardon Kaldian, @Ben tillman, @MEH 0910

    Genocide as a democratic reality. What a piece of shit this guy is!

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Ben tillman

    You "have to accommodate!"

  202. @J.Ross
    MSNBC claims that the horrible Great Replacement Theory is driving BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of Republicans to leave the open borders GOP that wants "more immigration than ever before, but legal," and their evidence is this guy:
    https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1526681569154449416
    See that detail about penning an explosive op-ed in 2018? Another Vindman. This guy is a Republican like High Hewitt or Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton is a Republican.
    The segue to lying never-Trumper Hewitt is deliberate. Hewitt proclaims at every opportunity that he is a never-Trumper who felt relieved by the steal he refuses to discuss and cannot wait ro "go back to normal" with candidates like House Bush Scion #745,332 or the remarkably useless Chris Christie. Lately primary season has him downright aggressive about returning to normal, crowing with guests about recreating a Republican party that nobody wants to vote for and which only ever wins anything when the Democrats trip on a carpet.
    The swamp still needs to be drained.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    This guy is the world’s biggest faggot.

    • Agree: Daniel H
  203. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Finally, regarding your paragraph on economic prosperity. NOBODY (beside you) says there must be large scale, or ANY, immigration into a country for it to be prosperous. Who told you that crap?

    Globalism in trade is one thing. Globalist trade in people - aka, fungible labor, as elites see it - is another. There could have been a country full of White Americans still, but, no, not a country of American land yachts. The economy changes. Even the trade of goods and services with no tariffs is a debatable topic - remember that giant sucking sound? Huge invasions of people into your country, or your country will be poor? C'mon!

    About Russia, nothing to do with the war, since I don't follow any of it, but good on 'em if they did have the resources to make their own way in the world. Maybe that's not likely at all, but that's what business is about. I know that America's Founders wanted this country to be self-sufficient. They didn't know the value of some the resources, coal, oil, etc., but they understood how blessed this nation was by this great land.

    Throughout history, other than large-scale conquests and some forced movements of people (end of WWII, for example), there was no large-scale immigration around the world from here to there and everywhere.

    BTW, from what I read of 100 year-ago history, passports weren't used that awful much, at least around Euro countries. Yeah, a British scientist could enter France to study or Lenin could go to Germany to plan his Communist activities with no trouble. Wait, what, weren't they worried about overstayers? Yeah, well, see most people wanted to live in their respective countries, other than to get out as refugees during wartime or something.

    Replies: @Jack D

    there was no large-scale immigration around the world from here to there and everywhere.

    This is a highly distorted version of history. The entire human history of the planet could be understood in terms of migrations. If you focus your lens on some short interval of time, it may appear that people are static and often are born and die within a small radius of their birth place, but if you zoom out to a larger scale, everyone (except maybe the Bushmen of S. Africa) is from somewhere else. Even the great Anglo-Saxons – I will give you a clue – Saxony is in Germany.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Do you see the legend at the top right? It says "Invasions". Invasions are NOT immigration. Do you believe that?

    Here's the deal: If an invasion of your country is successful, then your nation didn't have enough good defenses. A nation in good shape defends its borders, so that it is NOT invaded.

    This Fall of Rome thing is from another post. How about things over the previous Millennium, till, I dunno, 1965 (for this country and a little further back for Western Europe)?

    Replies: @Jack D

  204. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman


    there was no large-scale immigration around the world from here to there and everywhere.
     
    This is a highly distorted version of history. The entire human history of the planet could be understood in terms of migrations. If you focus your lens on some short interval of time, it may appear that people are static and often are born and die within a small radius of their birth place, but if you zoom out to a larger scale, everyone (except maybe the Bushmen of S. Africa) is from somewhere else. Even the great Anglo-Saxons - I will give you a clue - Saxony is in Germany.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Invasions_of_the_Roman_Empire_1.png

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Do you see the legend at the top right? It says “Invasions”. Invasions are NOT immigration. Do you believe that?

    Here’s the deal: If an invasion of your country is successful, then your nation didn’t have enough good defenses. A nation in good shape defends its borders, so that it is NOT invaded.

    This Fall of Rome thing is from another post. How about things over the previous Millennium, till, I dunno, 1965 (for this country and a little further back for Western Europe)?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman


    till, I dunno, 1965
     
    The US is about back to where it was 100 years ago in terms of the % of foreign born population:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/ft_2020.08.20_immigrants_01.png

    The period centered around 1970 +/- 25 years, which just happens to coincide with the youth of a lot of the Boomers found around here, is the anomalous period in American history - a temporary dip in which up to 95% of the American population was born here. It seems to be the "norm" only because people see the world of their youth as being the standard to which all other eras should be compared.

    Note that everyone who came after 1890 (and most before that) were not "settlers" - the frontier had closed by that year. In any case most immigrants even before then were going into coal mines and railroad work and factories, not busting sod.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @silviosilver

  205. This is an interesting story of immigration (or emigration, from our perspective), viewed from another country.

    Welcome to Portugal, the new expat haven. Californians, please go home
    https://news.yahoo.com/welcome-portugal-expat-haven-californians-100019730.html

  206. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Do you see the legend at the top right? It says "Invasions". Invasions are NOT immigration. Do you believe that?

    Here's the deal: If an invasion of your country is successful, then your nation didn't have enough good defenses. A nation in good shape defends its borders, so that it is NOT invaded.

    This Fall of Rome thing is from another post. How about things over the previous Millennium, till, I dunno, 1965 (for this country and a little further back for Western Europe)?

    Replies: @Jack D

    till, I dunno, 1965

    The US is about back to where it was 100 years ago in terms of the % of foreign born population:

    The period centered around 1970 +/- 25 years, which just happens to coincide with the youth of a lot of the Boomers found around here, is the anomalous period in American history – a temporary dip in which up to 95% of the American population was born here. It seems to be the “norm” only because people see the world of their youth as being the standard to which all other eras should be compared.

    Note that everyone who came after 1890 (and most before that) were not “settlers” – the frontier had closed by that year. In any case most immigrants even before then were going into coal mines and railroad work and factories, not busting sod.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Yes, you are quite right to include this graph, Jack. I have seen it on VDare and had a similar one based on the same data on my site.

    This country was quite the different story with the open frontier. If the newcomers weren't sodbusters and worked in plants, then when the cities got too big, the independent and adventurous types could keep on going, westward-ho. As you say, that was right up near the end of the 1,800s. The Americans of those years could be more tolerant than most people due to all the space. However, the lefty-politics, cronyism, and organized crime that they'd seen from these new "strange" (for the time) peoples meant they'd had enough by the early 1920s. President Coolidge signed the immigration restriction law in '24.

    Yeah, the boomers saw the most unified population since probably well before the War Between the States. There's nothing saying it shouldn't have stayed this way - the country got filled up over 100 years - that was plenty enough by 1924.

    None of this was anything like the situation in the Euro countries, Asia, or even Africa, besides S. Africa in which the Boers stupidity imported cheap labor - what's new.

    I don't see how you can claim that the immigration to the US since 1965 is anything normal or standard in world history.

    Replies: @Charon

    , @silviosilver
    @Jack D


    The US is about back to where it was 100 years ago in terms of the % of foreign born population:
     
    No mention of the racial composition of that foreign-born population, of course.

    Do you really think it helps to lie (by omission, in this case) so brazenly? I assume the answer is 'yes,' but I'm stumped as to why. The readership here isn't your typical normie deadhead.

  207. Anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:
    @neutral
    @AnotherDad


    For the record, I have never blamed the current crisis entirely on the Je
     
    That is the problem, because ultimately they are entirely to blame for the crises.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Post-Christian guilt is a big part of it too. Europeans go nuts when they lose their religion.

  208. @Jack D

    Unless you are actually cheap laboring a business, all this gardener, nanny, restaurants stuff is far, far outweighed by pretty direct costs is housing, schooling, crowding, social dislocation, taxation.
     
    Maybe for the society as a whole but if you live in an elite bubble you can be insulated from many of the costs. But a big driver of leapfrogging loyalties is not economics but status. Blue collar whites (who in some cases make more $ than highly educated whites whose liberal arts degree gets them a job at Starbucks) pose a threat to their status.

    You blab on and on about the "Judification of American elite ideology" but how is it possible that the Jews are able to do this? Even among elites and even accounting for their extra special cleverness, how are they able to get the non-Jewish majority to buy in?

    The problem with blaming everything on the Jews is that even if you get rid of the Jews nothing really changes because they aren't really the root cause of the problem to begin with. Liberal Jews are getting rid of themselves anyway because they either fail to reproduce or the next generation isn't even Jewish. But S. Asians, etc. are already moving into their ecological niche so the problem isn't going away even if you got rid of every last Jew.

    Replies: @Charon, @AnotherDad, @Ben tillman

    Yes, the Jews are the root cause of the problem. The Jewish group has suppressed (or, more accurately, inverted) our immune system, which makes rampant parasitism and destruction by both the native and the foreign-born possible.

  209. @Anon
    @Corn

    I've noticed for many years that Italian -Americans are the strongest proponents in terms of enforcing our immigration laws.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Some are, some aren’t. But the healthy diversity of opinion among Italian-Americans compares to the romanticized monolith of opinion among their fellow Ellis Islanders, Jewish-Americans.

    • Agree: Charon
  210. Are we supposed to not remember that the most prominent advocate of replacement theory is also the most popular candidate in the history of democracy?

  211. @J.Ross
    @Pincher Martin

    Pretty simple explanation. Professional agitators, both trust fund losers as officers and homeless drug addicts as grunts, were enormously important to the BLM riots, and they only went to places where they had been guaranteed free reign. Nowhere were the BLM riots organic or a statement coming from black people. Places like Portland signalled early on that they wanted terrorism. In Detroit we had then police chief James Craig, future governor of the state of Michigan, and he wasn't having any of that. Every city which suffered a BLM riot no matter the size of its black population could have avoided every last broken window.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ron Mexico

    Detroit in 2020 saw pretty good leadership from its leaders and less rioting than expected.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Less rioting than expected? There was no rioting, while cities that had never seen anything like this saw structure fires and mass looting and the torching of public buildings.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  212. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don't know what you are talking about. Immigration is a global phenomenon. Just in this thread, Jonathan mentions that people from other countries in S. America immigrate to Ecuador. Of course, Argentina and Brazil both were settled by (non-Iberian) immigrants. Europe is full of immigrants as is the prosperous part middle east. Australia is all immigrants. Pretty much any prosperous country is going to attract immigrants.

    My personal view is that there is an optimal level of immigration (which is somewhat less than we have now, counting illegal immigration) and that it should be controlled. What we have now, where the government is basically helpless to set the immigration level because you can just walk in and in many cases stay for life, is ridiculous but sealing the borders completely is equally ridiculous - our prosperity is based on the existence of a global economy where people, goods and services move relatively freely (but hopefully in a controlled manner). Russia is about to find out what happens when you cut yourself off from the global economy - it's not going to be pretty.

    Another Dad's Ozzie and Harriet world where everyone is white and drives an American made sedan is a fantasy - it never really existed except briefly in certain spots (one of which happened to be the time and place of AD's childhood) and it sure isn't coming back. (BTW, I just realized yesterday that Buick no longer makes any sedans - if you want a Buick, you have a choice of a small, medium or large SUV - you can have any car you want as long as it is an SUV. One of them is made in China.)

    This is our national politics in general - people get pushed to the extremes and moderation gets lost.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @vinteuil, @Jonathan Mason

    …there is an optimal level of immigration (which is somewhat less than we have now, counting illegal immigration)

    Really? so what is that “optimal level of immigration?” And what is your criterion for the “optimal level of immigration?”

    Let me take a wild guess: your criterion takes NO ACCOUNT WHATSOEVER of the welfare of working class gentiles.

    …the government is basically helpless to set the immigration level…

    \

    Jeezus, Jack D. You are so full of shit.

    • Agree: silviosilver
  213. …the government is basically helpless to set the immigration level…

    …cause, like there’s no difference – no difference at all! between the immigration level under Trump & the immigration level under Biden.

  214. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman


    till, I dunno, 1965
     
    The US is about back to where it was 100 years ago in terms of the % of foreign born population:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/ft_2020.08.20_immigrants_01.png

    The period centered around 1970 +/- 25 years, which just happens to coincide with the youth of a lot of the Boomers found around here, is the anomalous period in American history - a temporary dip in which up to 95% of the American population was born here. It seems to be the "norm" only because people see the world of their youth as being the standard to which all other eras should be compared.

    Note that everyone who came after 1890 (and most before that) were not "settlers" - the frontier had closed by that year. In any case most immigrants even before then were going into coal mines and railroad work and factories, not busting sod.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @silviosilver

    Yes, you are quite right to include this graph, Jack. I have seen it on VDare and had a similar one based on the same data on my site.

    This country was quite the different story with the open frontier. If the newcomers weren’t sodbusters and worked in plants, then when the cities got too big, the independent and adventurous types could keep on going, westward-ho. As you say, that was right up near the end of the 1,800s. The Americans of those years could be more tolerant than most people due to all the space. However, the lefty-politics, cronyism, and organized crime that they’d seen from these new “strange” (for the time) peoples meant they’d had enough by the early 1920s. President Coolidge signed the immigration restriction law in ’24.

    Yeah, the boomers saw the most unified population since probably well before the War Between the States. There’s nothing saying it shouldn’t have stayed this way – the country got filled up over 100 years – that was plenty enough by 1924.

    None of this was anything like the situation in the Euro countries, Asia, or even Africa, besides S. Africa in which the Boers stupidity imported cheap labor – what’s new.

    I don’t see how you can claim that the immigration to the US since 1965 is anything normal or standard in world history.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Jack's just outed himself as a nation-wrecker. And not for the first time. The sad part is that it's our nation he and his kind are wrecking.

  215. @Steve Sailer
    @J.Ross

    Detroit in 2020 saw pretty good leadership from its leaders and less rioting than expected.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Less rioting than expected? There was no rioting, while cities that had never seen anything like this saw structure fires and mass looting and the torching of public buildings.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross



    Detroit in 2020 saw pretty good leadership from its leaders and less rioting than expected.
     
    Less rioting than expected? There was no rioting...
     
    What's left to burn?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  216. @Achmed E. Newman
    @kahein

    You must be reading a different thread. AnotherDad pounded JackD into the gound.

    Jack D, you know a lot about a lot and are helpful about spreading that knowledge. I seem to agree with you on ideology 90% of the time. On the immigration issue, you've been reaching for lots of BS that not everyone goes for anymore.

    Do you really think that only the one group of people should not be able to live by themselves on the land they settled over 400 years?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jonathan Mason

    Do you really think that only the one group of people should not be able to live by themselves on the land they settled over 400 years?

    At this point in time it would be difficult to relocate White people to reservations and restore the land to the heirs of the original occupants, but I suppose it could be done.

    You really are jumping the shark these days!

    People have been migrating ever since the dawn of history., looking for better pastures, a better life and so on.

    And people have been having children ever since Adam and Eve got the show on the road and invented DNA.

    Having children is not just an economic question, it goes to the roots of the meaning of life. Of course people want to have children, to enjoy family life and raising kids, teaching them what is what, and perhaps providing support in one’s old age. Plus having someone to wash the dishes and walk the dog. And maybe join the family business later on. For women in particular there are only a few short years available to reproduce, and having kids young, means they are grown up before the parents are ancient.

    Anyway, isn’t the whole purpose of having a country and having a government to provide a stable environment where people want to have children for a better future?

    I don’t agree too much with the extreme right-to-lifers and think that they should moderate their positions a bit, but at least they want more children to be born, not less, which is not such a bad thing.

    But the USA.gov could do more to encourage family formation, like low interest loans similar to student loans for people willing to have children. There are already huge tax breaks for the costs associated with adoption, which could mean as much as no income tax for five years. Why not extend this to children incubated by sexual reproduction in a marital bed?

  217. @silviosilver
    @JackOH


    The social engineering motive behind
     
    Not to disagree with your comment, but social "engineering" is quite the misnomer. It lacks none of the precision of real engineering. Social alchemy is a better name for it, when you consider both the shoddiness of its principles and its complete failure to achieve its aims.

    Replies: @JackOH

    silvio—, I can’t disagree at all with your re-characterization of social engineering as social alchemy. I think there was an academic (Lowi? The End of Liberalism) who persuasively demonstrated a half-century ago how these top-down bureaucratic “alchemy experiments” went awry.

  218. @Pincher Martin
    @Hhsiii

    Their grandfathers, great grandfathers, and great great grandfathers were almost certainly Democrats. To a man. And if the Italians where you live are old enough, their fathers were also Democrats.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @Hibernian

    I don’t think that’s true if you mean all or almost all Italians. Fiorello LaGuardia was a Republican, albeit a very liberal one. There was at least one Italian Republican congressman from New Jersey heavily involved, possibly on the House Judiciary Committee, in the Nixon inpeachment proceedings. Bob Grant was Italian; he changed his name. I think in the 1950 -1980 timeframe many Irish, Italian, and Polish Catholics were national Republicans and local Democrats. Our going to war with Mussolini didn’t help the Democratic Party in the Italian-American community.

  219. @Pincher Martin
    @Hhsiii

    I think white Catholics (Irish, Italians) first started voting Republican in 1972, when McGovern ran, and then later, as you point out, gave their votes for Reagan. But they retreated back to the Democrats in 1976.

    But those voters often still identified as Democrats. A clear majority of Catholics voted for House Democratic candidates in all three midterm elections between 1982 and 1990. And a plurality gave Bill Clinton the nod in the nineteen-nineties.

    So we don't have to go that far back to find white Catholic Democrats. Even as late as the early 1990s, white Catholic Democrats were still more like Joe Biden and Mario Cuomo than Pat Buchanan and Antonin Scalia. But just barely.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    I think white Catholics (Irish, Italians) first started voting Republican in 1972, when McGovern ran, and then later, as you point out, gave their votes for Reagan.

    For (us) Irish, try 1917 when Woodrow “He Kept Us Out Of War” Wilson brought the US into WW1 on behalf of the British Empire. Boston and Chicago had their last Republican mayors in the 1920s.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Hibernian

    I'm responding to both your comments (#221 & #222) in this one post.


    I don’t think that’s true if you mean all or almost all Italians. Fiorello LaGuardia was a Republican, albeit a very liberal one.
     
    Catholics as a reliable voting group for Democrats dates back to before the Civil War. They strongly supported the pro-slavery Democrats, enough so to excite anti-Catholic prejudice among abolitionists. After the Civil War, they continued to support the Democratic Party through urban patronage and city machine politics. Boss Tweed was a Democrat whose Tammany Hall focused on Irish Catholics to win the state over from the Republicans WASPs like Lodge and Coolidge. The Kennedy machine in Massachusetts relied on similar urban political machines aimed at the Irish. Later, Catholics were huge pillar of support for FDR and his New Deal. And LaGuardia, as you point out, was not much of a Republican.

    So white Catholic support for the Democratic Party lasted for more than a century.

    Of course it's silly to claim "all" or "almost all" people vote a certain way. That's never true under any circumstances. Not even all blacks voted for Barack Obama. But the vast majority of white Catholics voted for and identified as Democrats until late into the 20th century. I doubt it was ever less than 60% until the 1972 election.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  220. Sources for the Great Replacement

    Rather than just hand waving and hyper-ventilating about certain populations, look at the 2021 report from the international Boston Consulting Group BCG on global professional movement,

    https://web-assets.bcg.com/cf/76/00bdede345b09397d1269119e6f1/bcg-decoding-global-talent-onsite-and-virtual-mar-2021-rr.pdf
    Decoding Global Talent, Onsite and Virtual March 2021
    A study of 209,000 people in 190 countries shows big shifts in the map of global mobility

    Exhibit 4 – Interest in Working Abroad Has Declined in Most Countries
    Percentage of respondents in each country who are already working abroad or are willing to move abroad for work
    Source: 2020 BCG/The Network proprietary web survey and analysis.

    Rank| Pct2020 | Country
    1| 94.0 | Sudan <<—
    1| 94.0 | UAE
    3| 93.0 | Qatar
    4| 92.0 | Tunisia
    4| 92.0 | Brazil <—
    4| 92.0 | Nigeria
    7| 90.0 | Yemen
    7| 90.0 | Italy
    9| 87.0 | India <<—
    10| 86.0 | Sweden
    11| 85.0 | Morocco
    12| 83.0 | Pakistan <—
    12| 83.0 | Algeria
    14| 81.0 | Luxembourg
    15| 80.0 | Benin

    22| 66.0 | Philippines <—
    40| 47.0 | Russia
    45| 44.0 | Singapore
    57| 28.0 | China <<— third last
    58| 27.0 | Denmark <— last
    58| 27.0 | Latvia <— last

    ??| ???? | Japan <— cannot find 100 people to interview
    ??| ???? | Korea <— cannot find 100 people to interview
    ??| ???? | Taiwan <— cannot find 100 people to interview

    Google ex-CEO Eric Schimdt chaired many important US Tech commitees, e.g. National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence, and he expressed the need to recurit STEM talents from Japan and Korea.

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/Interview/US-needs-Japan-and-Korea-to-counter-China-tech-ex-Google-CEO
    US needs Japan and Korea to counter China tech: ex-Google CEO

    He better does not hold his breath. Elite Japanese and Korean STEM professionals are not that interested in coming to US. A glaring hole in Schimdt’s statement is the omision of Chinese, even from countries like Taiwan, Singapore and HongKong. A Singaporean once headed Google’s AI group and the founder of DeepMind is half Singaporean Chinese and he prefers to stay in UK. As shown by the BCG results the elite STEM Chinese are not that interested in coming to US living under very strict surveillence with the potential of being herding into concentration camps when certain event break out. But those that come are of very high quality as shown by the GRE results.

    https://progress.institute/wp-content/uploads/STEM-Immigration-Competition.pdf
    STEM Immigration Is Critical to American National Security

    82% of companies in the defense industrial base report that it is difficult to find qualified STEM workers.
    50% of the advanced STEM degree holders working in the defense industrial base are foreign-born.
    STEM PhDs are central to research and development but must be supplemented with STEM master’s graduates to bring cutting-edge ideas into practical use in industry and military applications. Key defense-related industries like semiconductors, shipbuilding, and aerospace manufacturing employ multiple times as many STEM master’s graduates as STEM PhDs.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @dux.ie

    STEM Immigration Is Critical to American National Security

    Did the authors get a chuckle out of that statement? It is a rather poor strategy that depends on foreigners for our "National Security". At a bare minimum, whatever we develop will show up elsewhere soon as people move around all the time.

    Replies: @dux.ie

  221. @dux.ie
    Sources for the Great Replacement

    Rather than just hand waving and hyper-ventilating about certain populations, look at the 2021 report from the international Boston Consulting Group BCG on global professional movement,

    https://web-assets.bcg.com/cf/76/00bdede345b09397d1269119e6f1/bcg-decoding-global-talent-onsite-and-virtual-mar-2021-rr.pdf
    Decoding Global Talent, Onsite and Virtual March 2021
    A study of 209,000 people in 190 countries shows big shifts in the map of global mobility

    Exhibit 4 - Interest in Working Abroad Has Declined in Most Countries
    Percentage of respondents in each country who are already working abroad or are willing to move abroad for work
    Source: 2020 BCG/The Network proprietary web survey and analysis.

    Rank| Pct2020 | Country
    1| 94.0 | Sudan <<---
    1| 94.0 | UAE
    3| 93.0 | Qatar
    4| 92.0 | Tunisia
    4| 92.0 | Brazil <---
    4| 92.0 | Nigeria
    7| 90.0 | Yemen
    7| 90.0 | Italy
    9| 87.0 | India <<---
    10| 86.0 | Sweden
    11| 85.0 | Morocco
    12| 83.0 | Pakistan <---
    12| 83.0 | Algeria
    14| 81.0 | Luxembourg
    15| 80.0 | Benin
    ...
    22| 66.0 | Philippines <---
    40| 47.0 | Russia
    45| 44.0 | Singapore
    57| 28.0 | China <<--- third last
    58| 27.0 | Denmark <--- last
    58| 27.0 | Latvia <--- last
    ...
    ??| ???? | Japan <--- cannot find 100 people to interview
    ??| ???? | Korea <--- cannot find 100 people to interview
    ??| ???? | Taiwan <--- cannot find 100 people to interview

     

    Google ex-CEO Eric Schimdt chaired many important US Tech commitees, e.g. National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence, and he expressed the need to recurit STEM talents from Japan and Korea.

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/Interview/US-needs-Japan-and-Korea-to-counter-China-tech-ex-Google-CEO
    US needs Japan and Korea to counter China tech: ex-Google CEO

    He better does not hold his breath. Elite Japanese and Korean STEM professionals are not that interested in coming to US. A glaring hole in Schimdt's statement is the omision of Chinese, even from countries like Taiwan, Singapore and HongKong. A Singaporean once headed Google's AI group and the founder of DeepMind is half Singaporean Chinese and he prefers to stay in UK. As shown by the BCG results the elite STEM Chinese are not that interested in coming to US living under very strict surveillence with the potential of being herding into concentration camps when certain event break out. But those that come are of very high quality as shown by the GRE results.


    https://progress.institute/wp-content/uploads/STEM-Immigration-Competition.pdf
    STEM Immigration Is Critical to American National Security

    82% of companies in the defense industrial base report that it is difficult to find qualified STEM workers.
    50% of the advanced STEM degree holders working in the defense industrial base are foreign-born.
    STEM PhDs are central to research and development but must be supplemented with STEM master’s graduates to bring cutting-edge ideas into practical use in industry and military applications. Key defense-related industries like semiconductors, shipbuilding, and aerospace manufacturing employ multiple times as many STEM master’s graduates as STEM PhDs.
     

    Replies: @epebble

    STEM Immigration Is Critical to American National Security

    Did the authors get a chuckle out of that statement? It is a rather poor strategy that depends on foreigners for our “National Security”. At a bare minimum, whatever we develop will show up elsewhere soon as people move around all the time.

    • Replies: @dux.ie
    @epebble

    Bragging about historical inventions is just hubris. What is important is is the good or bad ideas patentable for the next 20 years. US scattered shots many semicondutor patents and 17 years ago accidentally hit the jackpot with the semiconductor fabrication with the very complicated EUV light patent which US EVEN NOW CANNOT PRACTICALLY EMPLOYED IT (the problems of Intel and Global Foundries) whereas the Taiwanese TSMC and Koreans Samsung are fully exploiting that. The price US paid for the bias against Asian STEM professionals.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoTx9LQIKEA
    Intel - From Inventors of the CPU to Laughing Stock [Part 2]

    Incidentally AMD now is beating Intel in processor design. From justia.com patent data, the most innovative patent inventors from AMD are mostly with Japanese ancestry,

    Company=AMD, from 1985-07-30 to 2020-08-25, NPatent=41, NInventor=68
    ---
    Rank| NPatent | Name
    1| 4 | Masaaki Higashitani <--
    2| 2 | Tatsuya Kajita <--
    2| 2 | Satoshi Takahashi <--
    2| 2 | Nasser Djennati
    2| 2 | Hiroyuki Shimada <--
    2| 2 | Hideo Takagi <--
    2| 2 | Hideo Kurihara <--
    2| 2 | Hideki Komori <--
    2| 2 | Hao Fang
    2| 2 | Andrew Mitchell

    However that had hampered the Chinese progress in semiconductor fabrication not because of techical ability but because the associated products cannot be sold globally. China only have to wait another 3 years for the patent to expire. By which time China could have leapfroged the world as constrained by the EUV tech China has to master the higher precision multi-masks and FinFET fabrication tech using DUV to reach the 7 nm tech which Taiwan and Korea spoiled by the EUV tech and are using the simpler masking tech. The CEO of the Chinese SMIC is a protege of the developer of FinFET who was the former CTO of the Taiwanese TSMC. He and his mentor were getting nowhere in US industry (because of Chinese ancestry?) even when the mentor is a prof at Berkeley. As CTO of the Taiwanese TSMC he smoothly adopted the EUV tech without much problems. The price US paid for the bias against Asian STEM professionals.

    Incidentally SpaceX the pride and joy of the US aerospace industry, from the patent data from justia.com, significant number of the very innovative inventors there have Iranian or MENA ancestries.

    Company=SpaceX, from 2009-03-17 to 2021-07-06, NPatent=31, NInventor=32
    ---
    Rank| NPatent | Name
    1| 5 | Alireza Mahanfar <--
    2| 4 | Nil Apaydin <--
    2| 4 | Javier Rodriguez De Luis
    4| 2 | Souren Shamsinejad <--
    4| 2 | Shaya Karimkashi Arani <--
    4| 2 | Omid Nasiby <--
    4| 2 | Masoud Kahrizi <--
    4| 2 | Ka Shun Carson Pun
    4| 2 | Ersin Yetisir <--
    4| 2 | Alireza Mehrnia <--
    4| 2 | Alex Ahmad Mirzaei <--
    12| 1 | Siamak Ebadi <--

    Replies: @epebble

  222. @guest007
    @Pincher Martin

    Los Angeles Unified School District is only 7.7% black and 74% Hispanic. Hispanics have pushed blacks out of Los Angeles much like they are pushing blacks out of Dallas Houston, Oakland, etc.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    But LA – just like the state of California – was never that black. So what we are seeing is less the replacement of blacks, less the pushing them out of the state, than the swamping of a steady and small population through immigration.

  223. @Hibernian
    @Pincher Martin


    I think white Catholics (Irish, Italians) first started voting Republican in 1972, when McGovern ran, and then later, as you point out, gave their votes for Reagan.
     
    For (us) Irish, try 1917 when Woodrow "He Kept Us Out Of War" Wilson brought the US into WW1 on behalf of the British Empire. Boston and Chicago had their last Republican mayors in the 1920s.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    I’m responding to both your comments (#221 & #222) in this one post.

    I don’t think that’s true if you mean all or almost all Italians. Fiorello LaGuardia was a Republican, albeit a very liberal one.

    Catholics as a reliable voting group for Democrats dates back to before the Civil War. They strongly supported the pro-slavery Democrats, enough so to excite anti-Catholic prejudice among abolitionists. After the Civil War, they continued to support the Democratic Party through urban patronage and city machine politics. Boss Tweed was a Democrat whose Tammany Hall focused on Irish Catholics to win the state over from the Republicans WASPs like Lodge and Coolidge. The Kennedy machine in Massachusetts relied on similar urban political machines aimed at the Irish. Later, Catholics were huge pillar of support for FDR and his New Deal. And LaGuardia, as you point out, was not much of a Republican.

    So white Catholic support for the Democratic Party lasted for more than a century.

    Of course it’s silly to claim “all” or “almost all” people vote a certain way. That’s never true under any circumstances. Not even all blacks voted for Barack Obama. But the vast majority of white Catholics voted for and identified as Democrats until late into the 20th century. I doubt it was ever less than 60% until the 1972 election.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Pincher Martin


    Boss Tweed was a Democrat whose Tammany Hall focused on Irish Catholics to win the state over from the Republicans WASPs like Lodge and Coolidge.
     
    I think you're mixing up Tweed with the Kennedys or Lodge and Coolidge with New York WASPS. NY vs. MA.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

  224. @J.Ross
    @Pincher Martin

    Pretty simple explanation. Professional agitators, both trust fund losers as officers and homeless drug addicts as grunts, were enormously important to the BLM riots, and they only went to places where they had been guaranteed free reign. Nowhere were the BLM riots organic or a statement coming from black people. Places like Portland signalled early on that they wanted terrorism. In Detroit we had then police chief James Craig, future governor of the state of Michigan, and he wasn't having any of that. Every city which suffered a BLM riot no matter the size of its black population could have avoided every last broken window.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Ron Mexico

    James Craig “future governor.” Anything is better than Shiny Forehead and the 2 stooges at SOS and AG. I hope he knows the Mules in Wayne and Kent Counties.

  225. @Pincher Martin
    @Hibernian

    I'm responding to both your comments (#221 & #222) in this one post.


    I don’t think that’s true if you mean all or almost all Italians. Fiorello LaGuardia was a Republican, albeit a very liberal one.
     
    Catholics as a reliable voting group for Democrats dates back to before the Civil War. They strongly supported the pro-slavery Democrats, enough so to excite anti-Catholic prejudice among abolitionists. After the Civil War, they continued to support the Democratic Party through urban patronage and city machine politics. Boss Tweed was a Democrat whose Tammany Hall focused on Irish Catholics to win the state over from the Republicans WASPs like Lodge and Coolidge. The Kennedy machine in Massachusetts relied on similar urban political machines aimed at the Irish. Later, Catholics were huge pillar of support for FDR and his New Deal. And LaGuardia, as you point out, was not much of a Republican.

    So white Catholic support for the Democratic Party lasted for more than a century.

    Of course it's silly to claim "all" or "almost all" people vote a certain way. That's never true under any circumstances. Not even all blacks voted for Barack Obama. But the vast majority of white Catholics voted for and identified as Democrats until late into the 20th century. I doubt it was ever less than 60% until the 1972 election.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Boss Tweed was a Democrat whose Tammany Hall focused on Irish Catholics to win the state over from the Republicans WASPs like Lodge and Coolidge.

    I think you’re mixing up Tweed with the Kennedys or Lodge and Coolidge with New York WASPS. NY vs. MA.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Hibernian

    Yes. Thank you for catching my mistake. I accidentally inserted that phrase into the wrong sentence after first writing the entire post and then going back to edit it.

    That section should read...


    Boss Tweed was a Democrat whose Tammany Hall focused on Irish Catholics. The Kennedy machine in Massachusetts relied on similar urban political machines aimed at the Irish to win the state over from the Republican WASPs like Lodge and Coolidge.
     

    Replies: @Anon

  226. @HammerJack
    Late-breaking WWH update! Women and POCs are demanding the right to work from home forever.

    This woman says that a female colleague complimented her on her hair when she was wearing it one way, leading her to the natural conclusion that the remark was actually a veiled insult regarding the way she wore it another day.

    https://i.ibb.co/T4KWWxH/Screenshot-20220517-072232-Firefox.jpg

    It ain't your father's Wall Street Journal anymore

    https://archive.ph/cVUw1

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Hypnotoad666, @Harry Baldwin, @AceDeuce, @Moses

    It makes it easier for them to screw off and not even appear like they’re doing anything.

  227. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman


    till, I dunno, 1965
     
    The US is about back to where it was 100 years ago in terms of the % of foreign born population:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/ft_2020.08.20_immigrants_01.png

    The period centered around 1970 +/- 25 years, which just happens to coincide with the youth of a lot of the Boomers found around here, is the anomalous period in American history - a temporary dip in which up to 95% of the American population was born here. It seems to be the "norm" only because people see the world of their youth as being the standard to which all other eras should be compared.

    Note that everyone who came after 1890 (and most before that) were not "settlers" - the frontier had closed by that year. In any case most immigrants even before then were going into coal mines and railroad work and factories, not busting sod.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @silviosilver

    The US is about back to where it was 100 years ago in terms of the % of foreign born population:

    No mention of the racial composition of that foreign-born population, of course.

    Do you really think it helps to lie (by omission, in this case) so brazenly? I assume the answer is ‘yes,’ but I’m stumped as to why. The readership here isn’t your typical normie deadhead.

  228. @anonymouseperson
    @dearieme

    The Labour party are all traitors. Why English people vote for them is inexplicable.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The Labour party are all traitors. Why English people vote for them is inexplicable.

    Benefits.

  229. @Anon
    @AnotherDad


    American Jews really should not talk about “fair”. A people less gracious, more lacking in gratitude and basic reciprocity may not exist on this planet.
     
    When have the Jews ever thanked the United States and the Allies for saving their bacon in WW2?

    How often do you hear expressions of gratitude from Jews to goyim for their helping to create, sustain, and grow the Zionist entity?

    Replies: @Escher, @Reg Cæsar

    When have the Jews ever thanked the United States and the Allies for saving their bacon in WW2?

    They got FDR on the dime within months.

  230. @J.Ross
    @Steve Sailer

    Less rioting than expected? There was no rioting, while cities that had never seen anything like this saw structure fires and mass looting and the torching of public buildings.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Detroit in 2020 saw pretty good leadership from its leaders and less rioting than expected.

    Less rioting than expected? There was no rioting…

    What’s left to burn?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    You laugh, but a lot has been rebuilt or built new, and our local oligarchs are actually benevolent, except for Matty al-Majnuwn Maroun. Who years ago would've expected Minneapolis to lose businesses and a police station in a race riot?

  231. @Reg Cæsar
    @J.Ross



    Detroit in 2020 saw pretty good leadership from its leaders and less rioting than expected.
     
    Less rioting than expected? There was no rioting...
     
    What's left to burn?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    You laugh, but a lot has been rebuilt or built new, and our local oligarchs are actually benevolent, except for Matty al-Majnuwn Maroun. Who years ago would’ve expected Minneapolis to lose businesses and a police station in a race riot?

  232. @Hibernian
    @Pincher Martin


    Boss Tweed was a Democrat whose Tammany Hall focused on Irish Catholics to win the state over from the Republicans WASPs like Lodge and Coolidge.
     
    I think you're mixing up Tweed with the Kennedys or Lodge and Coolidge with New York WASPS. NY vs. MA.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    Yes. Thank you for catching my mistake. I accidentally inserted that phrase into the wrong sentence after first writing the entire post and then going back to edit it.

    That section should read…

    Boss Tweed was a Democrat whose Tammany Hall focused on Irish Catholics. The Kennedy machine in Massachusetts relied on similar urban political machines aimed at the Irish to win the state over from the Republican WASPs like Lodge and Coolidge.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Pincher Martin

    The Southern WASPs were also overwhelmingly Democrat voters.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

  233. @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe


    I can not understand how anyone who has the tiniest interest in America, as a nation, can watch footage of thousands, yes thousands, of aliens streaming across our southern border.
     
    What do mean, you don’t understand how we can watch it? We see it.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Joe’s point is a lot of Americans don’t see it because Fox is the only network that shows these incredible images of hundreds and thousands of illegals streaming across the border.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @duncsbaby

    Does Fox News talk to the immigrants and get their stories?

  234. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Yes, you are quite right to include this graph, Jack. I have seen it on VDare and had a similar one based on the same data on my site.

    This country was quite the different story with the open frontier. If the newcomers weren't sodbusters and worked in plants, then when the cities got too big, the independent and adventurous types could keep on going, westward-ho. As you say, that was right up near the end of the 1,800s. The Americans of those years could be more tolerant than most people due to all the space. However, the lefty-politics, cronyism, and organized crime that they'd seen from these new "strange" (for the time) peoples meant they'd had enough by the early 1920s. President Coolidge signed the immigration restriction law in '24.

    Yeah, the boomers saw the most unified population since probably well before the War Between the States. There's nothing saying it shouldn't have stayed this way - the country got filled up over 100 years - that was plenty enough by 1924.

    None of this was anything like the situation in the Euro countries, Asia, or even Africa, besides S. Africa in which the Boers stupidity imported cheap labor - what's new.

    I don't see how you can claim that the immigration to the US since 1965 is anything normal or standard in world history.

    Replies: @Charon

    Jack’s just outed himself as a nation-wrecker. And not for the first time. The sad part is that it’s our nation he and his kind are wrecking.

  235. @fish
    @HammerJack

    Yeah....looks like all sorts of productive stuff is gettin done!

    Replies: @Charon

    But de girl so happy. What you problem white man.

  236. @Ben tillman
    @MEH 0910

    Genocide as a democratic reality. What a piece of shit this guy is!

    Replies: @Charon

    You “have to accommodate!”

  237. • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @J.Ross

    That was a great column she published yesterday. (as usual)

  238. @J.Ross
    https://i.postimg.cc/g2DNH83B/1652930426823.jpg

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    That was a great column she published yesterday. (as usual)

  239. Anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ben tillman
    @Anon

    It’s not about the mean. It’s about the group.

    Jewry is a highly organized group that operates to marshal its members resources to achieve group goals. The organized community is deeply committed to immigration as a group goal.

    Replies: @Anon

    It’s not about the mean. It’s about the group.

    Jewry is a highly organized group that operates to marshal its members resources to achieve group goals.

    True, but at the end of the day the will to organize for one’s tribe is itself a personality trait that is heritable, with a different mean and different variance depending on the group.

  240. @Pincher Martin
    @Hibernian

    Yes. Thank you for catching my mistake. I accidentally inserted that phrase into the wrong sentence after first writing the entire post and then going back to edit it.

    That section should read...


    Boss Tweed was a Democrat whose Tammany Hall focused on Irish Catholics. The Kennedy machine in Massachusetts relied on similar urban political machines aimed at the Irish to win the state over from the Republican WASPs like Lodge and Coolidge.
     

    Replies: @Anon

    The Southern WASPs were also overwhelmingly Democrat voters.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Anon

    Yes, but white Southerners were distinctive. They were not usually thought of as WASPs because they did not belong to the mainline Protestant denominations.

    Of course today the distinction is far less important than it once was. The breakdown is now racial, not religious or geographic.

  241. @Jack D
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don't know what you are talking about. Immigration is a global phenomenon. Just in this thread, Jonathan mentions that people from other countries in S. America immigrate to Ecuador. Of course, Argentina and Brazil both were settled by (non-Iberian) immigrants. Europe is full of immigrants as is the prosperous part middle east. Australia is all immigrants. Pretty much any prosperous country is going to attract immigrants.

    My personal view is that there is an optimal level of immigration (which is somewhat less than we have now, counting illegal immigration) and that it should be controlled. What we have now, where the government is basically helpless to set the immigration level because you can just walk in and in many cases stay for life, is ridiculous but sealing the borders completely is equally ridiculous - our prosperity is based on the existence of a global economy where people, goods and services move relatively freely (but hopefully in a controlled manner). Russia is about to find out what happens when you cut yourself off from the global economy - it's not going to be pretty.

    Another Dad's Ozzie and Harriet world where everyone is white and drives an American made sedan is a fantasy - it never really existed except briefly in certain spots (one of which happened to be the time and place of AD's childhood) and it sure isn't coming back. (BTW, I just realized yesterday that Buick no longer makes any sedans - if you want a Buick, you have a choice of a small, medium or large SUV - you can have any car you want as long as it is an SUV. One of them is made in China.)

    This is our national politics in general - people get pushed to the extremes and moderation gets lost.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @vinteuil, @Jonathan Mason

    It is interesting to contrast the laws of other countries to the US. Here is a clip from the preamble to the Ecuador Organic Law on Human Mobility )(2017):

    Article 2. Principles. The following are the principles of this Law:

    Universal citizenship. The acknowledgment of human being’s power to mobilize freely
    around the planet means the existence of their human rights regardless of their migratory status, nationality, and place of origin, which will lead to progressively end their status as a foreign nationals.

    Free human mobility. The legal and political acknowledgment of the exercise of universal citizenship means the State’s protecting the mobilization of any person, family,human group that intends to circulate and remain in the place of destination on a temporary or definitive basis.

    Prohibition to criminalize. No person shall be subject to criminal penalties because of a condition of human mobility. All migratory infringements shall of administrative nature.

    Contrast this to the cruel and punitive laws implemented in the US by cabals of lawyers and legislators who lock up refugees and put children in cages.

    Ecuador is host to over 60,000 refugees, 95 per cent of whom are Colombians. This is the largest refugee population in Latin America. Many relocate to get away from extortion by gangsters and drug cartels in Colombia.

    OK, not as many as in the US, which is a much bigger country, but at least an attempt is made to treat them humanely and not to classify them as being worth 1/3 of a person or put them in cages.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-feb-12-la-fg-ecuador-refugees13-2010feb13-story.html

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Jonathan Mason


    at least an attempt is made to treat them humanely and not to classify them as being worth 1/3 of a person or put them in cages.
     
    ...which is why all the "refugees" are heading for Ecuador, instead of the USA.
  242. @Anon
    @Pincher Martin

    The Southern WASPs were also overwhelmingly Democrat voters.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    Yes, but white Southerners were distinctive. They were not usually thought of as WASPs because they did not belong to the mainline Protestant denominations.

    Of course today the distinction is far less important than it once was. The breakdown is now racial, not religious or geographic.

  243. @Jonathan Mason
    @Alden

    Source of your information about meltwater from the Arctic and Canada flowing into the Colorado River?

    Replies: @Ralph L

    Come on, man, it goes underground.

  244. @duncsbaby
    @Anonymous

    Joe's point is a lot of Americans don't see it because Fox is the only network that shows these incredible images of hundreds and thousands of illegals streaming across the border.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Does Fox News talk to the immigrants and get their stories?

  245. @HammerJack
    Late-breaking WWH update! Women and POCs are demanding the right to work from home forever.

    This woman says that a female colleague complimented her on her hair when she was wearing it one way, leading her to the natural conclusion that the remark was actually a veiled insult regarding the way she wore it another day.

    https://i.ibb.co/T4KWWxH/Screenshot-20220517-072232-Firefox.jpg

    It ain't your father's Wall Street Journal anymore

    https://archive.ph/cVUw1

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Hypnotoad666, @Harry Baldwin, @AceDeuce, @Moses

    It’s almost as if everyone is happier when different races live in different countries.


  246. https://slate.com/technology/2022/05/red-pill-buffalo-shooter-online-hate-groups-research.html

    White supremacists are obsessed with biological determinism, renamed by modern racists as “race realism,” the idea that social difference between people of different races or genders is inborn, and thus society reflects biology. This, of course, has been an active debate in Western society for hundreds of years, and so there is no dearth of writing that supports it. There is plenty of excellent scholarship thoroughly debunking “race realism,” but little of this trickles down from academia. Instead, curious young white men (and they are almost all men) who think of themselves as “logical” and “rational” cling to the scientific gloss on racist materials, thereby couching their hateful beliefs as factual. The shooter’s diaries are filled with statistics and graphs alongside racist cartoons and tweets.

    Two of those three links are to Angela Saini’s Superior and Stephen Jay Gould’s The Mismeasure of Man.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/alicetiara/status/1527282074096484352

    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526985834058207235
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526986003524816898
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526986592023363585
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526987671687536646
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526987794907807751
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526987964466843649
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526988076534452228
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526988254385512455
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526988347306123266
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526988624448966658
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526988881689722880
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526989598672429060
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526989967641255938
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526991347525328897

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  247. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/alicetiara/status/1527252174509580288
    https://slate.com/technology/2022/05/red-pill-buffalo-shooter-online-hate-groups-research.html

    White supremacists are obsessed with biological determinism, renamed by modern racists as “race realism,” the idea that social difference between people of different races or genders is inborn, and thus society reflects biology. This, of course, has been an active debate in Western society for hundreds of years, and so there is no dearth of writing that supports it. There is plenty of excellent scholarship thoroughly debunking “race realism,” but little of this trickles down from academia. Instead, curious young white men (and they are almost all men) who think of themselves as “logical” and “rational” cling to the scientific gloss on racist materials, thereby couching their hateful beliefs as factual. The shooter’s diaries are filled with statistics and graphs alongside racist cartoons and tweets.
     
    Two of those three links are to Angela Saini's Superior and Stephen Jay Gould's The Mismeasure of Man.

    Replies: @MEH 0910


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526988301760184321

    https://twitter.com/lpachter/status/1526727237210279936
    https://twitter.com/lpachter/status/1526735305075662848

  248. @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/alicetiara/status/1527282074096484352

    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526985834058207235
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526986003524816898
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526986592023363585
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526987671687536646
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526987794907807751
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526987964466843649
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526988076534452228
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526988254385512455
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526988347306123266
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526988624448966658
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526988881689722880
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526989598672429060
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526989967641255938
    https://twitter.com/JedMSP/status/1526991347525328897

    Replies: @MEH 0910


    [MORE]

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  249. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jack D

    It is interesting to contrast the laws of other countries to the US. Here is a clip from the preamble to the Ecuador Organic Law on Human Mobility )(2017):

    Article 2. Principles. The following are the principles of this Law:

    Universal citizenship. The acknowledgment of human being’s power to mobilize freely
    around the planet means the existence of their human rights regardless of their migratory status, nationality, and place of origin, which will lead to progressively end their status as a foreign nationals.


    Free human mobility. The legal and political acknowledgment of the exercise of universal citizenship means the State’s protecting the mobilization of any person, family,human group that intends to circulate and remain in the place of destination on a temporary or definitive basis.

    Prohibition to criminalize. No person shall be subject to criminal penalties because of a condition of human mobility. All migratory infringements shall of administrative nature.

    Contrast this to the cruel and punitive laws implemented in the US by cabals of lawyers and legislators who lock up refugees and put children in cages.

    Ecuador is host to over 60,000 refugees, 95 per cent of whom are Colombians. This is the largest refugee population in Latin America. Many relocate to get away from extortion by gangsters and drug cartels in Colombia.

    OK, not as many as in the US, which is a much bigger country, but at least an attempt is made to treat them humanely and not to classify them as being worth 1/3 of a person or put them in cages.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-feb-12-la-fg-ecuador-refugees13-2010feb13-story.html

    Replies: @vinteuil

    at least an attempt is made to treat them humanely and not to classify them as being worth 1/3 of a person or put them in cages.

    …which is why all the “refugees” are heading for Ecuador, instead of the USA.

    • Agree: Pincher Martin
  250. @epebble
    @dux.ie

    STEM Immigration Is Critical to American National Security

    Did the authors get a chuckle out of that statement? It is a rather poor strategy that depends on foreigners for our "National Security". At a bare minimum, whatever we develop will show up elsewhere soon as people move around all the time.

    Replies: @dux.ie

    Bragging about historical inventions is just hubris. What is important is is the good or bad ideas patentable for the next 20 years. US scattered shots many semicondutor patents and 17 years ago accidentally hit the jackpot with the semiconductor fabrication with the very complicated EUV light patent which US EVEN NOW CANNOT PRACTICALLY EMPLOYED IT (the problems of Intel and Global Foundries) whereas the Taiwanese TSMC and Koreans Samsung are fully exploiting that. The price US paid for the bias against Asian STEM professionals.

    Intel – From Inventors of the CPU to Laughing Stock [Part 2]

    Incidentally AMD now is beating Intel in processor design. From justia.com patent data, the most innovative patent inventors from AMD are mostly with Japanese ancestry,

    Company=AMD, from 1985-07-30 to 2020-08-25, NPatent=41, NInventor=68

    Rank| NPatent | Name
    1| 4 | Masaaki Higashitani <–
    2| 2 | Tatsuya Kajita <–
    2| 2 | Satoshi Takahashi <–
    2| 2 | Nasser Djennati
    2| 2 | Hiroyuki Shimada <–
    2| 2 | Hideo Takagi <–
    2| 2 | Hideo Kurihara <–
    2| 2 | Hideki Komori <–
    2| 2 | Hao Fang
    2| 2 | Andrew Mitchell

    However that had hampered the Chinese progress in semiconductor fabrication not because of techical ability but because the associated products cannot be sold globally. China only have to wait another 3 years for the patent to expire. By which time China could have leapfroged the world as constrained by the EUV tech China has to master the higher precision multi-masks and FinFET fabrication tech using DUV to reach the 7 nm tech which Taiwan and Korea spoiled by the EUV tech and are using the simpler masking tech. The CEO of the Chinese SMIC is a protege of the developer of FinFET who was the former CTO of the Taiwanese TSMC. He and his mentor were getting nowhere in US industry (because of Chinese ancestry?) even when the mentor is a prof at Berkeley. As CTO of the Taiwanese TSMC he smoothly adopted the EUV tech without much problems. The price US paid for the bias against Asian STEM professionals.

    Incidentally SpaceX the pride and joy of the US aerospace industry, from the patent data from justia.com, significant number of the very innovative inventors there have Iranian or MENA ancestries.

    Company=SpaceX, from 2009-03-17 to 2021-07-06, NPatent=31, NInventor=32

    Rank| NPatent | Name
    1| 5 | Alireza Mahanfar <–
    2| 4 | Nil Apaydin <–
    2| 4 | Javier Rodriguez De Luis
    4| 2 | Souren Shamsinejad <–
    4| 2 | Shaya Karimkashi Arani <–
    4| 2 | Omid Nasiby <–
    4| 2 | Masoud Kahrizi <–
    4| 2 | Ka Shun Carson Pun
    4| 2 | Ersin Yetisir <–
    4| 2 | Alireza Mehrnia <–
    4| 2 | Alex Ahmad Mirzaei <–
    12| 1 | Siamak Ebadi <–

    • Thanks: epebble
    • Replies: @epebble
    @dux.ie

    Thank you for the video links. I think there is some misunderstanding about what I said. I fully support smart people from anywhere working in U.S. It is the stupidity of U.S. Government in relying on immigrants for Defense technologies that I found amusing. There have been many problems due to cultural misunderstanding or even prejudice when immigrants have worked in defense technologies. e.g.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qian_Xuesen


    Qian Xuesen, or Hsue-Shen Tsien (Chinese: 钱学森; 11 December 1911 – 31 October 2009), was a Chinese mathematician, cyberneticist, aerospace engineer, and physicist who made significant contributions to the field of aerodynamics and established engineering cybernetics. Recruited from MIT, he joined Theodore von Kármán's group at Caltech.

    During the Second Red Scare, in the 1950s, the US federal government and the Ku Klux Klan accused him of communist sympathies. In 1950, despite protests by his colleagues, he was stripped of his security clearance He decided to return to mainland China, but he was detained at Terminal Island, near Los Angeles.

    After spending five years under house arrest, he was released in 1955 in exchange for the repatriation of American pilots who had been captured during the Korean War. He left the United States in September 1955 on the American President Lines passenger liner SS President Cleveland, arriving in China via Hong Kong.

    Upon his return, he helped lead the development of the Dongfeng ballistic missile and the Chinese space program. For his contributions, he became known as the "Father of Chinese Rocketry", nicknamed the "King of Rocketry". He is recognized as one of the founding fathers of Two Bombs, One Satellite.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee

    Wen Ho Lee or Li Wenho (Chinese: 李文和; pinyin: Lǐ Wénhé; born December 21, 1939) is a Taiwanese-American scientist who worked for the University of California at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. He created simulations of nuclear explosions for the purposes of scientific inquiry, as well as for improving the safety and reliability of the U.S. nuclear arsenal. A federal grand jury indicted him on charges of stealing secrets about the U.S. nuclear arsenal for the People's Republic of China (PRC) in December 1999.

    After federal investigators were unable to prove these initial accusations, the government conducted a separate investigation and was ultimately only able to charge Lee with improper handling of restricted data, one of the original 59 indictment counts, to which he pleaded guilty as part of a plea settlement. In June 2006, Lee received $1.6 million from the federal government and five media organizations as part of a settlement of a civil suit he had filed against them for leaking his name to the press before any formal charges had been filed against him. Federal judge James A. Parker eventually apologized to Lee for denying him bail and putting him in solitary confinement and excoriated the government for misconduct and misrepresentations to the court.

     

    BTW, that "improper handling" charge was that he forgot to return old Hard drives from his computer when he upgraded to a larger drive and just kept it in his possession in the lab under lock and key. Most likely thinking he may be having something valuable in that old drive. He didn't know/was not confidant that a drive image could be saved on his new drive. (I have this problem too - a hesitation to destroy old drives!)
  251. @J.Ross
    Really good comment at 4chan, which recalls the comment in the Buffalo Catspaw's discord observation that he was easily able to obtain banned magazines:

    ...Anonymous (ID: UlPbBWeK)
    05/17/22(Tue)18:59:02 No.378183777
    >>378178407 #
    They're not talking about gun control/confiscation because they don't want anyone who knows better asking too many questions about how an 18 year old came into ownership of a rifle that is a banned "assault weapon" under New York's NYSAFE Act.
    Plus they don't want too get murdered during the midterms in November.
     

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    They’re not talking about gun control/confiscation because they don’t want anyone who knows better asking too many questions about how an 18 year old came into ownership of a rifle that is a banned “assault weapon” under New York’s NYSAFE Act.

    I wish I knew more about this. I heard on Mark Simone’s show that this individual publicly threatened to shoot everyone in his graduating class, was picked up by the police, and psychiatrically evaluated for a day before being released. New York has “red flag” laws. And then we hear that he was still able to legally purchase a firearm?

  252. @dux.ie
    @epebble

    Bragging about historical inventions is just hubris. What is important is is the good or bad ideas patentable for the next 20 years. US scattered shots many semicondutor patents and 17 years ago accidentally hit the jackpot with the semiconductor fabrication with the very complicated EUV light patent which US EVEN NOW CANNOT PRACTICALLY EMPLOYED IT (the problems of Intel and Global Foundries) whereas the Taiwanese TSMC and Koreans Samsung are fully exploiting that. The price US paid for the bias against Asian STEM professionals.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoTx9LQIKEA
    Intel - From Inventors of the CPU to Laughing Stock [Part 2]

    Incidentally AMD now is beating Intel in processor design. From justia.com patent data, the most innovative patent inventors from AMD are mostly with Japanese ancestry,

    Company=AMD, from 1985-07-30 to 2020-08-25, NPatent=41, NInventor=68
    ---
    Rank| NPatent | Name
    1| 4 | Masaaki Higashitani <--
    2| 2 | Tatsuya Kajita <--
    2| 2 | Satoshi Takahashi <--
    2| 2 | Nasser Djennati
    2| 2 | Hiroyuki Shimada <--
    2| 2 | Hideo Takagi <--
    2| 2 | Hideo Kurihara <--
    2| 2 | Hideki Komori <--
    2| 2 | Hao Fang
    2| 2 | Andrew Mitchell

    However that had hampered the Chinese progress in semiconductor fabrication not because of techical ability but because the associated products cannot be sold globally. China only have to wait another 3 years for the patent to expire. By which time China could have leapfroged the world as constrained by the EUV tech China has to master the higher precision multi-masks and FinFET fabrication tech using DUV to reach the 7 nm tech which Taiwan and Korea spoiled by the EUV tech and are using the simpler masking tech. The CEO of the Chinese SMIC is a protege of the developer of FinFET who was the former CTO of the Taiwanese TSMC. He and his mentor were getting nowhere in US industry (because of Chinese ancestry?) even when the mentor is a prof at Berkeley. As CTO of the Taiwanese TSMC he smoothly adopted the EUV tech without much problems. The price US paid for the bias against Asian STEM professionals.

    Incidentally SpaceX the pride and joy of the US aerospace industry, from the patent data from justia.com, significant number of the very innovative inventors there have Iranian or MENA ancestries.

    Company=SpaceX, from 2009-03-17 to 2021-07-06, NPatent=31, NInventor=32
    ---
    Rank| NPatent | Name
    1| 5 | Alireza Mahanfar <--
    2| 4 | Nil Apaydin <--
    2| 4 | Javier Rodriguez De Luis
    4| 2 | Souren Shamsinejad <--
    4| 2 | Shaya Karimkashi Arani <--
    4| 2 | Omid Nasiby <--
    4| 2 | Masoud Kahrizi <--
    4| 2 | Ka Shun Carson Pun
    4| 2 | Ersin Yetisir <--
    4| 2 | Alireza Mehrnia <--
    4| 2 | Alex Ahmad Mirzaei <--
    12| 1 | Siamak Ebadi <--

    Replies: @epebble

    Thank you for the video links. I think there is some misunderstanding about what I said. I fully support smart people from anywhere working in U.S. It is the stupidity of U.S. Government in relying on immigrants for Defense technologies that I found amusing. There have been many problems due to cultural misunderstanding or even prejudice when immigrants have worked in defense technologies. e.g.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qian_Xuesen

    Qian Xuesen, or Hsue-Shen Tsien (Chinese: 钱学森; 11 December 1911 – 31 October 2009), was a Chinese mathematician, cyberneticist, aerospace engineer, and physicist who made significant contributions to the field of aerodynamics and established engineering cybernetics. Recruited from MIT, he joined Theodore von Kármán’s group at Caltech.

    During the Second Red Scare, in the 1950s, the US federal government and the Ku Klux Klan accused him of communist sympathies. In 1950, despite protests by his colleagues, he was stripped of his security clearance He decided to return to mainland China, but he was detained at Terminal Island, near Los Angeles.

    After spending five years under house arrest, he was released in 1955 in exchange for the repatriation of American pilots who had been captured during the Korean War. He left the United States in September 1955 on the American President Lines passenger liner SS President Cleveland, arriving in China via Hong Kong.

    Upon his return, he helped lead the development of the Dongfeng ballistic missile and the Chinese space program. For his contributions, he became known as the “Father of Chinese Rocketry”, nicknamed the “King of Rocketry”. He is recognized as one of the founding fathers of Two Bombs, One Satellite.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee

    Wen Ho Lee or Li Wenho (Chinese: 李文和; pinyin: Lǐ Wénhé; born December 21, 1939) is a Taiwanese-American scientist who worked for the University of California at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. He created simulations of nuclear explosions for the purposes of scientific inquiry, as well as for improving the safety and reliability of the U.S. nuclear arsenal. A federal grand jury indicted him on charges of stealing secrets about the U.S. nuclear arsenal for the People’s Republic of China (PRC) in December 1999.

    After federal investigators were unable to prove these initial accusations, the government conducted a separate investigation and was ultimately only able to charge Lee with improper handling of restricted data, one of the original 59 indictment counts, to which he pleaded guilty as part of a plea settlement. In June 2006, Lee received \$1.6 million from the federal government and five media organizations as part of a settlement of a civil suit he had filed against them for leaking his name to the press before any formal charges had been filed against him. Federal judge James A. Parker eventually apologized to Lee for denying him bail and putting him in solitary confinement and excoriated the government for misconduct and misrepresentations to the court.

    BTW, that “improper handling” charge was that he forgot to return old Hard drives from his computer when he upgraded to a larger drive and just kept it in his possession in the lab under lock and key. Most likely thinking he may be having something valuable in that old drive. He didn’t know/was not confidant that a drive image could be saved on his new drive. (I have this problem too – a hesitation to destroy old drives!)

  253. @MEH 0910
    David French Retweeted:
    https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/1526532571399700481

    https://twitter.com/prchovanec/status/1526534512225792001

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Bardon Kaldian, @Ben tillman, @MEH 0910

    https://www.thebulwark.com/has-the-left-been-pushing-its-own-version-of-great-replacement-theory/

  254. @Anonymous
    @Charon


    It was definitely “clever” of them to see how much power they could gain–and then leverage–in this way. But the impulse behind that craving? That’s another story, isn’t it.
     
    What was the impulse?

    Replies: @Moses

    Advancing Jewish interests, what else? Hello McFly! Anybody home?

    https://motionbox.io/template/hello-mcfly

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