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From the L.A. Times news section:

By easing its bar exam score, will California produce more Black and Latino lawyers?

By MAURA DOLAN STAFF WRITER
JULY 26, 20205 AM

For more than three decades, California has clung to one of the nation’s toughest testing standards for law school students hoping to practice law in the most populous state in the country.

But this month, the California Supreme Court, which oversees the state bar, agreed to lower the passing score for the exam, a victory for law school deans who have long hoped the change would raise the number of Black and Latino people practicing law….

Forty percent of California’s population is white, 60% are people of color. But 68% of California lawyers are white, and only 32% are people of color, according to a new report by the State Bar of California. …

Some speculated that the results of the February bar exam may also have influenced the court.

In February, a time when many graduates who failed the bar the first time retake it, only 26.8% of all test takers passed.

Of the first-time test takers from law schools accredited by the American Bar Assn., considered the top schools in the state, 51.7% of white graduates passed, compared with 5% of Black grads, 32.6% of Latinos and 42.2% of Asians.

5.0% is really low. But it was a sample size of only 20. Here’s the bar exam for February 2020:

The bright kids tend to take and pass the July bar exam on their first try. For some reason, a huge fraction of first-time takers in July 2019 wound up in the Other ethnicity, which includes decline to state. So here is July 2018:

So, 69.5% of whites from top law schools in California passed the California bar exam on their first try in July 2018 vs. 45.1% of blacks. So that’s a sizable gap but not a huge one.

But while 57% of white bar exam takers were first-timers from in-state or out-of-state ABA Approved schools, only 38% of blacks fell into that fortunate category.

Here’s the July 2018 data in a more useful format:

Cal Bar July 2018
White White % Black Black Black Black % /
First timers Took passed Passed Took Passed % White %
CA ABA App 1650 1,147 69.5% 153 69 45.1% 64.9%
Out of State ABA App 498 336 67.5% 72 18 25.0% 37.0%
CA Accedited 108 23 21.3% 15 3 20.0% 93.9%
CA Unaccredited 35 6 17.1%
Other 284 122 43.0% 45 4 8.9% 20.7%
Total 2575 1,634 63.5% 285 94 33.0% 52.0%
Repeaters
CA ABA App 425 101 23.8% 95 10 10.5% 44.1%
Out of State ABA App 142 22 15.5% 66 6 9.1% 58.7%
CA Accedited 258 31 12.0% 61 4 6.6% 55.0%
CA Unaccredited 125 12 9.6% 29 0.0% 0.0%
Other 223 51 22.9% 59 5 8.5% 37.1%
Total 1173 217 18.5% 310 25 8.1% 43.6%
Both Total 3,748 1,851 49.4% 595 119 20.0% 40.5%
First Timers / Total 68.7% 88.3% #### 79.0%
Repeaters / Total 31.3% 11.7% #### 21.0%

So, among first timers, 63.5% of whites passed compared to 33.0% of blacks.

Among repeaters, 18.% of whites passed vs. 8.1% of blacks.

Overall, 49.4% of whites passed vs. 20.0% of blacks.

Whether the exam is culturally biased has been a question for law journals over the years, and critics have written that it fails to measure the real abilities required to be good lawyers.

The average national bar exam passing score is 1350. New York’s is 1330. California’s was 1440 until the court permanently reduced it to 1390. Both Chemerinsky and Mnookin estimated that change will raise the pass rate by 10%. The court did not apply the new score retroactively.

Victor D. Quintanilla, a professor at Indiana University’s Maurer School of Law and an adjunct faculty member of the Department of Psychological and Brain Sciences, said pass rates for the California bar have been falling for all applicants, but the effects of California’s particularly high test score have disproportionately hurt racial and ethnic minorities.

He is part of a foundation-funded team of law professors and social psychologists who have been studying California’s bar exam results for the last 10 years. He said 19.5% of white test takers never pass the bar even after multiple attempts. By contrast, he added, 46.9% of Black test takers and 30.5% of Latinos never pass.

Quintanilla, who also chairs the Assn. of American Law Schools section on the empirical study of legal education, said Black people and Latinos generally do worse than white counterparts on “high-stakes” standardized tests, such as the SAT.

Studies attribute the differences to disparities in educational opportunities and other socioeconomic factors. Social psychologists also have found that people of color worry when taking standardized tests if the results might reinforce negative stereotypes, and that anxiety hurts their performance, Quintanilla said.

“There is social psychological research that shows that even when people of color take an exam and do well, that exam may not reflect their true potential,” said Quintanilla, who has a law degree and is getting his doctorate in social psychology.

The team studying the bar, which includes faculty from Stanford University and USC, will deliver findings to the California Supreme Court next month. Quintanilla said he was glad that the court lowered the score, but added: “It is clear from the data that there are substantial benefits to be gained by moving further still.”

The seven-member state high court has two white justices, one Black justice, one Latino and three Asian Americans.

 
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  1. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:

    Idiocracy was just a movie, right? Right?

  2. Of the first-time test takers from law schools accredited by the American Bar Assn., considered the top schools in the state, 51.7% of white graduates passed, compared with 5% of Black grads, 32.6% of Latinos and 42.2% of Asians.

    It’s fair to conclude that capitalization unfairly compromises the test results of all groups.

    What on earth are we going to do about this handicap, so recently put in place?

    PS: Dirty little secret is that the bar exam isn’t actually very difficult, but lots of law students aren’t actually very smart. A tiny proportion of lawyers have JDs from the likes of Harvard, Yale, Stanford and Boalt Hall.

    Oh yeah, almost forgot. Boalt got unpersonned this year.

  3. no black standard poodle doesn’t bite his master.

    you need to be shitting on ron at least every other post.

    i feel sorry for steve’s husband.

  4. Thomas says:

    Of the first-time test takers from law schools accredited by the American Bar Assn., considered the top schools in the state, 51.7% of white graduates passed, compared with 5% of Black grads, 32.6% of Latinos and 42.2% of Asians.

    Oh my God. Only 5% of black graduates of ABA-accredited law schools pass the California bar exam on the first time?? That’s terrible, and indicative of an extreme degree of affirmative action being practiced in law school admissions. I had already expected law schools were practicing fairly extreme affirmative action, but that disparity in qualifications (after three years of legal training) exceeds even my worst expectations.

    Studies attribute the differences to disparities in educational opportunities and other socioeconomic factors. Social psychologists also have found that people of color worry when taking standardized tests if the results might reinforce negative stereotypes, and that anxiety hurts their performance, Quintanilla said.

    Funny how these disparities never seem to even out despite every applicant going through four years of undergrad, three years of law school, and the degree of financial aid, etc., offered to minority applicants.

    Higher education earned its bread and butter over the past half-century more than anything due to the need for an employment credentialing and qualification system that could still function despite the courts’ imposition of the “disparate impact” standard for analyzing employment discrimination claims. Obviously, that’s now going to be under assault. What will the next step be for employers needing to make sure they’re hiring qualified candidates when higher ed and professional examinations have become tests of the ability to fog a mirror? Are employers going to just maybe hire on an internship or apprenticeship basis, keep a close eye on their new hires, and hope that nobody notices that the washout rates aren’t exactly equal?

    California has already been at the forefront of proposing that non-lawyers and non-law firms be allowed to practice law, in a limited capacity. I.e., they want to open the door for apps and related services to perform some of the roles lawyers already do, ostensibly to “improve access to justice.” If they’re going to be opening the floodgates though to anyone with a pulse to be admitted, this might wind up being actually protective of the public. It’ll be like Idiocracy: the machines are the only things that are capable of competence anymore.

  5. usNthem says:

    This land mass has an exponential over abundance of shyster lawyers, so what’s not to like about adding a bunch more AA shysters? Is this former country great or what?

  6. The average national bar exam passing score is 1350. New York’s is 1330. California’s was 1440 until the court permanently reduced it to 1390.

    This is deceptive.

    Half of California’s Bar Exam (day one) is a multiple choice test which is also used in just about every other state.

    The other half (day two) of the exam consists of 5 one-hour essays and a 90 minute “performance test” which simulates a work assignment which might be given a new associate (prepare an objective memorandum, a persuasive letter).

    The two scores are “scaled” in a convoluted fashion to produce a raw score.

    My point: Comparing New York and California Bar exam numerical scores like that is like comparing apples to bowling balls, as Phil Leotardo on the Sopranos put it.

  7. Fox says:

    In the spirit of lowering the standards for entry into the law schools in California, I think the standards for people building airplanes and cars are too high. They should be lowered to have more people graduate in mechanics, electronics, metallurgy, civil engineering and all the other disciplines involved in making these motion machines go. Thermodynamics has been made unnecessarily complicated to exclude a number of applicants to the disciplines in which it is needed, the same is true for quantum mechanics, and general mechanics, and also mathematics. Way too complicated! Lowering the standards for reality has worked so well so far, even the mantra of “working for money and producing wealth” is wrong. Just look at it with what ease 6 or 7 trillion Dollars in the US were created this spring to keep everyone liquid, 2-4 trillion Euros in in the EU. They lied. No one needs to work, they can just give the money to everyone and people can buy and have a comfi life without work.

    • Agree: Clyde
    • LOL: guest007
    • Replies: @Anon
  8. Abe says:

    California judges should also lower the bar for medical exams and pledge to receive treatment ONLY from physicians who have have professionally qualified from their judicial beneficence- particularly in the specialties of oncology, obstetrics, cardiology, and pulmonology.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  9. The worst of it is how all this crap is ultimately counter-productive.

    Here’s a fable. I’m a bit of a Hispanophile: I taught in Hispanic schools for five years, and I’ve been married to a Hispanic for over thirty years now.

    Nevertheless, when I was selecting a doctor at Kaiser, I had an epiphany. Of course I didn’t want a black doctor — but I didn’t want a Hispanic doctor either. He or she could perfectly well be a beneficiary of affirmative action — and correspondingly less likely to be confident.

    So I confined my search to Asians and Whites — and eventually settled on a nice Vietnamese woman.

    The moral of the story is that even absent actual racial bias, affirmative action makes selecting the minority beneficiary of such policies a bad bet. You don’t have to have a low opinion of — say — Hispanics to realize that all things being equal, you don’t want the Hispanic doctor or lawyer.

  10. CPK says:

    Big push right now from recent grads is to waive the bar exam entirely, and substitute “diploma privilege” (everyone who earns a JD in the state is treated as having passed the bar).

    They’re demanding it based on Covid-19 safety grounds, but there’s a lot of overlap (in personnel and tactics) with the diversity-‘n’-inclusion crowd. If they get it this year, I’m sure they’ll leverage that to demand diploma privilege in future on “equity” grounds.

    Fortunately the legal profession is pretty hidebound, especially here in Virginia, which is holding the exam as scheduled this week. (Some might skip the exam and then demand it after the fact, but since that sort of screws over the one who do take it, it’s a harder argument for them to make.)

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    , @James O'Meara
  11. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Since I know nothing about the practice of law I’ll ask two dumb questions:

    1) Do dumb law school graduates flock to states with easier bar exams?

    2) Once a lawyer passes a given state bar exam, will the pass be accepted as proof of competence in other states?. For example, does someone who’s practised law for thirty years in New York need to take the New Jersey bar exam if they move?

  12. Tony Tea says:

    When even Perry Mason cheated on the California bar exam, you know it’s been all downhill out west.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  13. I might be the worst parent ever or naive but I have an elementary school age child in the California public school system and my wife and I were talking today about what we are going to do next fall. The next semester and possibly longer is distance learning only and my son did not thrive doing online learning only the last 4 months of last year. Newsom shut down the private and religious schools. We think the schools should be open already and now are thinking of possibly homeschooling, pandemic pod, or sending my wife and kid to overseas for 6 mo – 1 year to study. I am less uptight than my wife and my comment was that my belief is that his IQ will ultimately determine how well he does not just scholastically but over his career and even if he misses a whole year it won’t make that much of a difference especially at this age. Just make sure he reads, writes, plays, and continues his math extracurricular work and he will catch up quick when he needs to. The beautiful and cruel thing about this pandemic is that all kids are effected equally.

  14. Polynikes says:

    The only way to even it out would be to eliminate all standards altogether, including the background check. California courts and the 9th cir are bordering on absurd anyways, so they might as well let any bozo practice.

  15. Social psychologists also have found that people of color worry when taking standardized tests if the results might reinforce negative stereotypes, and that anxiety hurts their performance, Quintanilla said

    The idea, that the fear of reinforcing negative stereotypes is more significant to a test taker than the fear of having wasted years of his life in law school and being hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt with nothing to show for it, is so monumentally stupid that only a social psychologist could pretend to believe it.

  16. JimB says:

    Let’s just say that if you need a court appointed attorney in CA in the near future, you’re screwed. Loquacious X. Johnson, LL.D, will probably blow your appeal for vehicular manslaughter when he files the court paperwork incorrectly.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Anonymous
  17. Jake says:

    You can bet your last thin dime that the Chinese are quaking in their boots at the very thought that America will greatly improve itself with even more lowered standards to help the Numinous Negroes overcome racism.

  18. @kaganovitch

    “Social psychologists also have found that …”

    They “found” no such thing. They’re just compulsive liars. What is this, the “stereotype threat” fraud, or a new variation on it? Steve dealt with that crap mercilessly years ago.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @Lurker
  19. Whether the exam is culturally biased has been a question for law journals over the years

    ’Twas a big cultural misunderstanding: Most blacks thought they were supposed to be under the bar cutoff to pass. Lower the bar and yt and squinty ain’t got no chance.

    [MORE]

    boom shakalakalaka BOOM shakalaka

  20. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

  21. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    *boom shakalakalaka boom shakalaka*

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  22. Thomas says:

    Incidentally, Washington, Oregon and Utah have scrapped their bar exams for 2020 and just admitted anyone who graduated from an ABA-accredited law school this year because of coronavirus.

    Which is to say, if you happen to be in need of legal services in the next few years, I highly recommend you take a close look at your prospective attorney’s date and jurisdiction of admission.

  23. Marty says:

    It doesn’t matter. There’s no work for lawyers in California anyway. And I don’t mean because of Covid. The whole system is starved for funds, resentful judges have been in a work slowdown for about ten years, there’s no such thing as a civil trial anymore, and, as someone else here pointed out, firms of any size can meet their diversity quotas with freaks. Finally, assuming black people even need lawyers, they don’t really want their own kind for such serious stuff.

  24. @Thomas

    Your logic is flawless, but it is racist. Facts are racist, racist facts must not be spoken.

    Of course, only 5% Blacks passing constitutes racism. Blacks cannot and must not be dumber, or less motivated or qualified than white supremacists.

    Actually, I sometimes wonder if Benjamin Crump is highly intelligent, and some other of the top lawyers. But maybe we never see the real dumb affirmative action lawyers.

    As a consumer, you better choose a white lawyer, doctor, surgeon, and even 911 dispatcher or postal service attendant. You can mathematically prove why, but that would be racist.

    • Replies: @Thomas
  25. pirelli says:

    “pass rates for the California bar have been falling for all applicants, but the effects of California’s particularly high test score have disproportionately hurt racial and ethnic minorities.“

    This mealy-mouthed phrasing sets off my BS detector… Have pass rates actually been falling for white, Asian, black, and Hispanic applicants as separate groups, or has the TOTAL pass rate been falling due to the shrinking share of total applicants that are white and increasing share that are Hispanic, while the pass rates for the various groups remain fairly steady?

  26. Hubbub says:

    Holy Moly, Batman – don’t our judges generally come from the lawyer class? More affirmative action, unskilled judges is just what we need – lower the standards, increase the injustice.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  27. Not mentioning “scientific racism” aka “race realism” as a possible alternative is, of course, totally dishonest
    But our society and its wrong policy decisions are based on 2 equivalent iron rules

    A) egalitarian dogma: all races are equal
    Or
    B) PC Gag Order: Never even think negatively of “minories” in order to not stir up prejudices.

    We need to expose and oppose all dishonesty. We need to return to an enlightened scientific society before all our culture is destroyed.

    Studies attribute the differences to disparities in educational opportunities and other socioeconomic factors. Social psychologists also have found that people of color worry when taking standardized tests if the results might reinforce negative stereotypes, and that anxiety hurts their performance, Quintanilla said.

    “There is social psychological research that shows that even when people of color take an exam and do well, that exam may not reflect their true potential,” said Quintanilla, who has a law degree and is getting his doctorate in social psychology.</blockquote.

    All this is so dishonest. Citing theories that have been debunked, not using Occam’s razor, …
    Also not mentioning that those who fond different reasons (IQ, deferred gratification) will be fired or Watsoned.

  28. @PiltdownMan

    OUTTA SIGHT GOT DAMN crank that lumbago GIT DOWN HUHHHH

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
  29. Lurker says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    I still don’t get how “stereotype threat” can be a thing if “fear of acting white” is also a thing? Surely they can’t both be true at once?

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    , @duncsbaby
  30. Lot says:

    California has an unusual system of no standards for law schools, but the highest standard by far for passing the bar exam. Sounds like it will still have the highest standard, just not by as much.

    Is there a problem in places with low bar exam standards like Iowa with incompetent lawyers that California has avoided?

    A cartel-guild letting in more members isn’t a bad thing, even if the stated reason is “Racial Justice.”

    As an example of the “anything goes” rule on law schools, there is a Larry H Layton School of Law, which is as silly as it sounds:

    “ Then, there are a patchwork of tiny law schools. One of these is run by Larry H. Layton, who opened his school in an Acton strip mall above a now-shuttered Mexican restaurant.

    He thought the Larry H. Layton School of Law, which charges about $15,000 a year, would grow quickly. But according to the state bar records, he’s had six students since 2010. He insists that number is somewhat higher and said he’s trying to attract students.

    He’s advertised in local newspapers and pushes the school on social media with catchphrases like: “Your car is safe at Larry’s law school in rural Acton, Ca.”

  31. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    When I took a bar exam 20 years ago, I took it in February. It was my second bar, having passed another state’s bar 18 months previous, so I didn’t know that February was generally for retakers. One of my most vivid memories was of a fellow test taker sitting in the hotel lounge assuring his fellows that it wasn’t all that bad, after all this was his fourth try.

    One sitting of a bar exam is bad enough, but to come back four times is insanity.

  32. syonredux says:

    Of the first-time test takers from law schools accredited by the American Bar Assn., considered the top schools in the state, 51.7% of white graduates passed, compared with 5% of Black grads, 32.6% of Latinos and 42.2% of Asians.

    Which means that law schools in California are admitting a grotesquely large number of Blacks who have no business being there. In a sane world, law schools would respond to this sad fact by cutting the number of Black admits by, say, 90%.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  33. “Of the first-time test takers from law schools accredited by the American Bar Assn., considered the top schools in the state, 51.7% of white graduates passed, compared with 5% of Black grads, 32.6% of Latinos and 42.2% of Asians.”

    “… He said 19.5% of white test takers never pass the bar even after multiple attempts. By contrast, he added, 46.9% of Black test takers and 30.5% of Latinos never pass.”

    There is something very weird about these numbers. 51.7% of whites pass on the first attempt and 80.5% pass eventually. 32.6% of Latinos pass on the first attempt and 69.5% pass eventually. And 5% of blacks pass on the first attempt and 53.1% pass eventually. So among people who fail the first time 60% of whites, 55% of Latinos and 51% of blacks eventually succeed. So the group differences are much greater for first time test passers which is interesting if real. But I suspect some sort of error.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  34. Dorkbaby says:

    My only problem with lowering the bar is that the doofus’s clients, most of whom will be black, will end up getting screwed. I have heard heartbreaking stories about affirmative action black psychiatrist with a social worker’s IQ really hurting their minority patients

  35. Safenow says:

    When the CA Bar passes more of those black students, they will be successful lawyers. The public’s impression of what constitutes a proficient lawyer is being a tough guy; a fighter. That’s what I conclude from the ads on the TV or radio; “I will fight for you.” This would be the situation outside of prominent firms or government. But most will go to government or prominent firms; affirmative action would ensure getting a job. The work assigned would be perfunctory, but so what; swallow your pride, hang-out perfunctorily as a permanent never-partner for $200k a year, feet up on the desk.

  36. Too many lawyers. Too many laws.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
  37. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clifford Brown

    Make it stop.

    LOL. I was going to post this same comment the other day in response to something Steve posted.

  38. Kronos says:
    @Clifford Brown

    We needs James Cameron to “raise the bar” now more than ever!

  39. I think we need to dump the Asian superior intelligence myth. The bar exam is an IQ test of a sort. If whites pass at a higher rate than Asians, then whites are smarter.

    The only limiter on this is that not so smart whites usually avoid law school. They know they can’t hack it. Asians get pushed, so maybe a bunch of lower IQ Asians take the test.

    Blacks are pushed ahead with every possible assistance, but they are just not smart enough. 5% black 1st time ABA school pass rate?!?! That is actually so awful it is amazing.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    , @kaganovitch
    , @CPK
  40. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abe

    California judges should also lower the bar for medical exams and pledge to receive treatment ONLY from physicians who have have professionally qualified from their judicial beneficence- particularly in the specialties of oncology, obstetrics, cardiology, and pulmonology.

    Why stop there? There’s most certainly a dearth of black and Mexican airline pilots. Why can’t we make tests for a commercial airline pilot less demanding? This “getting it right the first time” manifest for pilots in the airline industry is another “quality” that favors white people’s culture, most certainly at the expense of African American and Mexican culture. Jesus Christ, how many black commercial helicopter pilots have you ever seen? This shit needs to change. Less strident testing, coupled with a mandate for tuition-free flight training and trainer plane rentals, and we could get Juan, Juanita, Jabari and Shaqueequee off the dole, and into the skies, making a decent living.

    Speaking for myself, if what I propose were initiated, I would never again fly in a commercial plane or helicopter, ever, but that’s the cost of doing business in the arena of equal outcomes, and I could still get the enjoyment of watching the dynamic outcomes unfold all across the United States and abroad.

    Imagine scores of people who will happily get on a social justice airliner, secure in their undying faith in equal outcome initiatives, reaping what they’ve sown, in some of the most dramatic ways possible? It’s a win/win for me!

    • LOL: Clyde
  41. Gordo says:
    @Thomas

    Oh my God. Only 5% of black graduates of ABA-accredited law schools pass the California bar exam on the first time?? That’s terrible, and indicative of an extreme degree of affirmative action being practiced in law school admissions. I had already expected law schools were practicing fairly extreme affirmative action, but that disparity in qualifications (after three years of legal training) exceeds even my worst expectations.

    Next stage is when they automatically have four jury votes at their disposal to get rid of disparate impact in trials.

  42. @Dorkbaby

    The beneficiaries, ie blacks, are not capable of understanding that to practice law one must have certain cognitive abilities (which I do not ). They think the certificate is what enables them to practice law their way. They do not understand that the certificate is evidence of ability to practice law according to a set of objective standards; they believe the certificate confers ability.

  43. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    By the way, in case nobody noticed, former Critic of Jews Nick Cannon appears to be preparing himself for conversion to Judaism–giving us Nick Cannon’s dynamic answer to the difficult question:

    “do you want a large house with a pool, or do you want to be right?”

    • Replies: @Anon7
  44. Thomas says:
    @SINCERITY.net

    Actually, I sometimes wonder if Benjamin Crump is highly intelligent, and some other of the top lawyers. But maybe we never see the real dumb affirmative action lawyers.

    The real dumb affirmative action lawyers eventually wind up doing something else. Even if they make it through law school (though admittedly, that isn’t hard, law schools have an incentive to keep as many tuition-paying students in their classes as possible) and pass the bar, they then have to find a way to earn a living and crack their monthly student loan nut.

    If they’re capable of putting in long hours, they might make it for a few years as an associate somewhere for a firm that will benefit from a desirable picture on the website and another drudge grinding out billable hours, just so long as the firm is sure to have someone more senior check their work carefully. In general though, there are many, many well-trod roads for burned-out or washed-out lawyers who wind up doing something else. Big firms are built on a business model of grinding profits out of young associates for a smaller number of partners at the top of the pyramid, and then relying on those former associates to steer work back to their old firms.

    One thing that becomes apparent in the practice of law: being a competent lawyer and being a capable businessperson have little to do with each other. There are quite a few lawyers out there who are middling legal minds but who’ve built up reasonably successful practices because they were decent at running a business. Conversely, there are good lawyers out there who are going to spend their entire careers working for someone else or else barely scraping by because they can’t or won’t figure out how to bring in business.

    • Replies: @Lawyer Guy
  45. We’re going through a kind of Reconstruction. Black politicians were forced on the South during that period for ten years so we may have a while to go. Eventually, the North got tired of imposing the military dictatorship, so it ended.

    Maybe we’ll get lucky and a decade from now the Current Wokeness will end.

    Of course, some of your loved ones may die in hospitals run by the incompetent and God only knows what other misery we may have to endure.

    But, whether it’s Reconstruction or the Soviet system, White people often get tired of misery.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  46. notsaying says:

    It has amazed me that with the college loan repayment problem as big as it is, that the issue of the millions of people who drop out without getting a degree is hardly ever mentioned. The issue of people who don’t end up getting their necessary professional credentials (by not passing exams, for example) is also not talked about. Yet we have people who take out six-figure loans and do not end up with jobs in their field because they do not finish school or pass their exams.

    Why aren’t we studying why people drop out and fail exams and try to take action to get the dropout rates and exam failure rates down? Think of the grief and wasted money that could be saved if more people reached their education goals. We are talking hundreds of billions of dollars and people’s futures here.

    As I think has been mentioned here before, there is a correlation between LSAT scores and bar exam passage rates. It’s impossible to not to think many minority students should not even attempt law school because of the high risk they won’t pass the bar. Nobody is doing these kids any favors to admit them if their scores are low. The law schools have lost a lot of students in recent years so some of them are desperate. Here’s a website with some interesting stats:

    https://data.lawschooltransparency.com/enrollment/admissions-standards/

    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
  47. Wilkey says:

    Of the first-time test takers from law schools accredited by the American Bar Assn., considered the top schools in the state, 51.7% of white graduates passed, compared with 5% of Black grads, 32.6% of Latinos and 42.2% of Asians.

    What everyone seems to not have noticed: white law school graduates are doing better on the bar exam than Asian law school grads.

    It would be interesting to know the reason for this. But my suspicion has always been that the notion that Asian students are being discriminated against in undergraduate admission by elite colleges is fallacious. Elite colleges know that Asian students, for a variety of reasons, aren’t nearly as impressive as their high school transcripts and test scores make them out to be.

    One proof of that is that Asians simply aren’t as high profile in business, science, culture, etc. as you would expect them to be if they really deserved more seats at top colleges.

    • Replies: @Flip
  48. @Prof. Woland

    The beautiful and cruel thing about this pandemic is that all kids are effected equally.

    No idea how you can conclude that. Some kids’ parents can afford private tutors, and some can barely afford shoes. Seems to me that they’re affected differently.

    Going overseas for education–as you propose–is another example. Do you have connections in another country, making this viable? If so, I’d definitely consider it, though perhaps not just for corona-related reasons.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
  49. OT: Does Steve have a response to Ron’s bashing of him and his readers today?

    The Political Bankruptcy of American White Nationalism, by Ron Unz

    Over the last two decades, blogger Steve Sailer has become a hero and an inspiration to America’s burgeoning Internet racialist community…

    Yet over the years I’ve sometimes pointed to an interesting fact that has seemingly escaped the attention of so many of his enthusiastically racialist fans. Like me, he grew up in a Los Angeles that was then the whitest large city in America, with our own San Fernando Valley being perhaps 85% white in those days. He continues to live there, although the white population has declined to less than 25%, now ranking LA as one of our least white large cities. But although so much of his enormously prolific blogging focuses on race, social issues, and crime, as well as the foibles of “political correctness,” for years less and less of his material has been drawn from his own city.

    No mention in Ron’s article of the lowering of standards, which is an undeniable fact borne out even by the story covered here by Steve.

    • Replies: @Marty
    , @syonredux
  50. @Thomas

    Only 5% of black graduates of ABA-accredited law schools pass the California bar exam on the first time??

    Together with the 50% pass rate among whites, this is consistent with a 2 sd difference between the black and white test taker populations.

  51. Anon[793] • Disclaimer says:

    Let’s look on the bright side. Bungling and stupid minority lawyers will just end up getting their career criminal clients sent to prison for long stays. That’s great! That’s where the criminals ought to be. Just don’t hire one of these minorities for any other legal job.

    I think these lawyers will end up being public defenders, because that’s what you do if you suck at lawyering and no firm wants to hire you.

    • Replies: @Escher
  52. @Anonymous

    1) No. With the exception of, let’s say, roughly the top 50 or 60 law schools, most people practice within 50-75 miles of where they attended law school because that’s where the connections are. Not a lot of takers in LA and Manhattan for first years out of Podunk Community Law School. The firms that would take such a person wouldn’t be able to pay the newly minted attorney enough to live in LA or Manhattan.

    2) It depends. Some states have what is called reciprocity with others where if you practice and are in good standing for 5 or 7 years, you can provide the reciprocal state with proof of your good standing and pay them $2,000 and they’ll swear you into the bar. But other states–particularly ones where there is more of a demand like FL, CA, insist that you take their bar exam even if you are a highly experienced lawyer. Some of those states also implement a sliding scale so that if you try to take the exam after practicing 20 years you have to pay an astronomical fee. The idea is to keep states bars to the states so that you don’t get a bunch of carpetbaggers ftom Manhattan or LA opening an office in Antelope Thumb and competing with the locals.

  53. Marty says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Well, he places the Watts Riots in 1968, so I guess we can dismiss the whole thing. For myself, having been beat up by blacks 8 times, I’ve always known that was the main political issue in U.S life, and my opposition to Mexican immigration was not racialist in the least – just about crowding and having to hear Spanish all the time. So what the hell is he talking about?

  54. Standards are racist. Live with it.

  55. syonredux says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Ron is right about one thing: White America is dead. Trump’s election was simply a post-mortem spasm.

    The US will become ‘minority white’ in 2045, Census projects

    The new statistics project that the nation will become “minority white” in 2045. During that year, whites will comprise 49.7 percent of the population in contrast to 24.6 percent for Hispanics, 13.1 percent for blacks, 7.9 percent for Asians, and 3.8 percent for multiracial populations

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/03/14/the-us-will-become-minority-white-in-2045-census-projects/

    In December 2019, he [Neff] said that “once Democrats have the majorities to go full F**K WHITEY, things are going to get really wacky really quickly.” He argued at the time that there is a “large minority of whites who are fully supportive of a F**k Whitey agenda” and that “there’s a suicidal impulse to Western peoples that honestly feels almost biological in origin.”

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @travis
  56. Instead of lowering standards, why not just scramble them?

    The short version of Biden’s train spot, of which our four-year-old said, “That’s a fake ad!”:

    And the starting point for an atonal version:

    • Replies: @Giancarlo M. Kumquat
  57. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prof. Woland

    Not the worst parent, just a naive GenXr. Much like Boomers who used The Church of Free Markets as an excuse for not defending their posterity, you use the Church of IQ. Congrats.

    The idea that your son’s IQ will ultimately insure his longterm success is a probabilistic stretch. The ongoing diversity struggle sessions are an omen for his future. Increasingly in California and other West Coast states, there will be diversity mandates in high IQ fields, which will drive the jobs elsewhere. Whether your son is displaced or not, largely comes down to a coin-flip and his age.

    A more realistic scenario is that jobs in California will be driven into the Midwest or Overseas. Your son will seek jobs elsewhere. You will be another aging Californian who needs cheap immigrants to care for you in your later years. Your last moments will be holding one rubber-gloved hand of a Central American hospice worker, while with the other, she is watching a Kardashian twerk on her leased Apple phone. Your son will be on a Zoom call, saying, “Uuuuhh.. yeah Dad, I love you too, but I need to get back to work…Anyway, let’s talk this weekend. Hang in there.”

    We inherit the future we deserve.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @Prof. Woland
  58. Anon55uu says:

    It’s possible to also see fairly good stats about the aba law schools that add to the overall picture. There are standout poor performers. It’s more than a race thing alone – too many students chasing the dream.

  59. Jon says:
    @Anonymous

    If states have reciprocity, then passing the bar in one state can allow you to practice in another. Where reciprocity exists, dumb students do seek out the easier. As an example, the Pennsylvania bar is jokingly referred to by New York attorneys as the Hershey bar because it is an easier way to qualify to practice in that state.
    California is infamous in law for having no reciprocity with any state, so there is no easier option.

  60. @Anonymous

    (1) Do dumb law school graduates flock to states with easier bar exams?

    Sometimes, but not really. People mostly want to practice where they want to live. And most places besides California and New York aren’t all that hard, anyway.

    2) Once a lawyer passes a given state bar exam, will the pass be accepted as proof of competence in other states?. For example, does someone who’s practised law for thirty years in New York need to take the New Jersey bar exam if they move?

    Most states give “reciprocity” to any other state that will accept their bar passers. But California and New York won’t accept any one else’s passers, so no one else accepts their’s.

    Lawyers that have practiced a long time in another jurisdiction usually get to take a modified “lawyers bar” exam that is a little different. I think its generally shorter and a bit easier.

    There is also a loophole in which you can appear on individual cases in another state by getting admitted by the court for that particular case. You’re only supposed to do it occasionally but some lawyers do it routinely.

  61. @kaganovitch

    Yes, this argument about test taking anxiety and reinforcing stereotypes is so ridiculous- EVERYONE has some sort of anxiety when taking a test like the SAT or LSAT for obvious reasons: either fear of wasting your time and your (or your parents’) money (as you mentioned), or with the SAT fear of not scoring high enough to get into the school you want to go to. If we could just relax and take as long as we wanted on the test then I’m sure we’d all perform better of course, but performing under pressure is one of the things the test measures as well.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  62. It’s interesting to see that they are still clinging to good ‘ol “cultural bias” and “stereotype bias” to explain different racial scores.

    No amount of empirical debunking will ever put those two theories to rest.

  63. Nachum says:
    @Anonymous

    1. I don’t think there are “easier” bar exams. They’re all different, but probably none are significantly easier. The multiple-choice section is identical for most states as well.

    2. No, you can only practice in the state you passed the bar in, excepting one-off admissions for individual cases if you have enough experience. That doesn’t mean you can’t practice law, but yeah, people do take multiple exams, either at the same time or over the years. (Edited to add: The commenter above put it better.)

  64. It is misleading to use today’s racial breakdown of California in comparison to the current racial lineup of lawyers. Many of these lawyers passed the bar back when California was 85% white.

    The pass rates are not broken down by sex which means more than 50% of the people passing are women. The “white” numbers are not broken down by Jew/Gentile so we have no way of knowing what percentage of the passing lawyers are Jewish and how disproportionately they are over-represented.

    As always, a strict racial quota system would very much be in the interests of Gentile whites. But Gentile whites are not used to living in a Lebanon-style country where each tribe has their places of power set aside for them. So Gentile whites will continue to lose power and elite representation as they themselves will fight tooth and nail to avoid racial quotas and gladly give their places to Asians and Jews.

    • Replies: @Gordo
  65. Nachum says:
    @Gaius Gracchus

    The LSAT, which is the law school entrance exam, is an IQ test. The Bar tests real knowledge. Not that IQ doesn’t factor in- how you answer the questions can matter- but it’s not the same thing.

    • Replies: @Gaius Gracchus
  66. Nachum says:

    Wow, is there a lot of stupid here. They cite passage rates for a February (i.e., second time) exam? It’s a well-known fact that passage rates plunge the more the test is taken. You can’t imagine the sigh of relief I gave when I discovered I’d passed the first time. I worked with a guy who’d failed the first (to be fair, his mother had died right before), and the relief *he* felt when he passed on the second was even greater.

    And there are different scores in different states? I got a newsflash for these geniuses: There are *different exams* in each state. It’s called “federalism.”

    “Quintanilla, who has a law degree and is getting his doctorate in social psychology”

    I.e., never passed the bar. That might explain a lot.

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
  67. @Reg Cæsar

    Since I was a teenager,that is nigh unto 50 years!!,I thought the line in “Love Her Madly”was “wanna meet her daddy”! 😣 Of course it’s “wanna be her daddy.”

    I guess subconsciously I was more traditional,thinking the guy wanted a serious relationship. No,he just wanted to get freaky.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  68. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:

    Quintanilla citing stereotype threat theory a decade after it spectacularly failed a battery of replication attempts: classic.

  69. Perhaps the IQs of the 95% who fail are the range of this mastermind and fabricant:

    So, I was at the mall with my sister going down the escalator and there was this white woman behind me holding a coffee in her hand. So as we’re going down I feel a light touch on my back and I turn around and she just looks at me in shock. I realize she was trying touch my skin. This is not that uncommon as many people touch me or my hair without my consent which is another story entirely. I let it go cause I didn’t want to assume anything and it could have been an innocent touch. So I turn around. And all of sudden I feel hot coffee on my back. This women poured her coffee on my back intentionally. At first I thought it was accidental so before she says anything, I started to reassure it’s okay, because who would purposely pour coffee on another person. But she just keeps looking at the place she poured the coffee just repeating “wow. I’ve never seen skin that dark. Wow. Wow. Look at how it slides down. So soft. Wow.” And then it clicks she poured it intentionally to see how my skin would react to the coffee. This incident still shocks me today and I just remember thinking….did that just happen.

  70. Mr. Sailer, who is good in math, perhaps relied on his readers to figure this out, but my guess is that he would have done better to underline his point: “5.0% is really low. But it was a sample size of only 20.” If 20 took the test and 5 percent passed, that means one person out of the 20 passed.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  71. Clyde says:
    @JimB

    Let’s just say that if you need a court appointed attorney in CA in the near future, you’re screwed. Loquacious X. Johnson, LL.D, will probably blow your appeal for vehicular manslaughter when he files the court paperwork incorrectly.

    Loquacious X. Johnson is who I hired circa 2000 on a small case of $2000 or so. He totally effed it up by blowing off appearances and the faxes I sent him. I knew him beforehand but ….At a party I saw him and his lovely black girlfriend, so I figured if he can pull this kind of girlfriend he must be a competent lawyer. WRONG! Plus he lied his ass off to me on why he didn’t make it to arbitration and negotiations.
    I will never hire a black professional of any kind. Medical blacks must be the most lethal.

  72. Clyde says:
    @Anon

    Sez it all! You are a philosophizer!

  73. Great, yet another class of professionals I need to screen even more carefully.

  74. And in news that is no news:

    “The US withdrawal from the Paris climate accord is a racist act”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2020/jul/27/us-withdrawal-paris-climate-accord-will-hurt-people-of-color-most

    The rationale seems to be that it’s the worlds POC’s (on both their houses?) who would benefit most from the looting of the US economy- which itself is a purely White creation.

    Can’t really argue with that, can one?

  75. @Tono Bungay

    Sure, but 1 out of 20 could be a fluke.

  76. @Thomas

    “people of color worry when taking standardized tests if the results might reinforce negative stereotypes”

    Would it be racist of me to suggest:
    1. People of color worry that standardized tests can’t tell if they’re black and thus might fail to give them a pass.
    2. By the time they’ve taking standardized test in law school, they’ve probably sat through a few classes with people of no color and thus may suspect that they shouldn’t be there?

    Silly question, of course it would be racist. I won’t mention it then.

  77. Gordo says:
    @Torn and Frayed

    As always, a strict racial quota system would very much be in the interests of Gentile whites.

    Yep.

  78. OT Remarkably objective article from the beeb about a 19th century slave trader. I wonder hiw long before they memory hole it?

    “It would be unfair to judge a 19th Century man by 21st Century principles.”

    “Slavery was so ingrained in the culture that a number of popular Igbo proverbs make reference to it:

    Anyone who has no slave is his own slave
    A slave who looks on while a fellow slave is tied up and thrown into the grave with his master should realise that the same thing could be done to him someday
    It is when the son is being given advice that the slave learns”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53444752

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  79. @RichardTaylor

    Black politicians were forced on the South during that period for ten years

    Well, they had constituted half of South Carolina’s and Mississippi’s congressional representation for a lot longer than that. Be careful what you ask for!

    Number of white males / Number of congressional districts, 1860

    Wisconsin 159,335 / 3
    New Jersey 132,219 / 5
    Mississippi 70,295 / 5
    Vermont 65,680 / 3
    South Carolina 55,046 / 6

    https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1860/population/1860a-02.pdf

    Payback’s a sow, brother.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  80. @Colin Wright

    I had to pick a new doctor about 15 years ago from a list with brief biographical details. I was ready to pick

    “Irving Goldblatt, BS CCNY, MD Johns Hopkins, staff at Mayo Clinic, taught at Harvard Medical School, MASH surgeon Korean conflict”

    until I tried to calculate how old he must be.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @E. Rekshun
  81. @jimmyriddle

    Does anybody have a Nature or Nurture theory about why the Igbo dominate Nigeria’s college admission test scores?

  82. @Anonymous

    That is a really good cover.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  83. @Hubbub

    don’t our judges generally come from the lawyer class? More affirmative action, unskilled judges is just what we need – lower the standards, increase the injustice.

    Especially so given that judges are most often failed lawyers. Who would give up a lucrative sinecure as Partner in a successful practice for a $100-$150k/yr gig sending career criminal negroes and first offender whites to the pokey?

    • Replies: @Marty
  84. brazil may be very soon the country with most lawyers in the world. there’s already 1.2 million bar-approved lawyers.

    there’s also millions of have an useless law degree and can’t pass the bar test.

    but the media didnt throw this under the racial aspect yet.

    by the way, I’m not even a law graduate but took the first (out of two) steps of the text and got approved. there’s some weak universities that not even 20% of the graduates are able to pass

  85. Dr. X says:

    Why not just scrap the bar exam entirely? Just let any black ghetto pimp call himself a lawyer.

    It’s not as if there’s much of an ethical difference between a lawyer and a pimp, anyway.

    • Replies: @TontoBubbaGoldstein
  86. Flip says:
    @Colin Wright

    Do you get to pick your doctors under socialized medicine? How does the NHS in the UK work?

  87. @Clyde

    Medical blacks must be the most lethal.

    They don’t wash their hands or wear gloves.

    • Replies: @JimB
    , @Rob McX
  88. @Reg Cæsar

    Well, they had constituted half of South Carolina’s and Mississippi’s congressional representation for a lot longer than that

    Until the military dictatorship, Blacks had not been part of the polity.

    But indeed, the Old Yankee stock was eager to spill oceans of blood to punish the Southern Whites they so hated. Not much as changed; the descendants of the horrid Puritans push Political Correctness today.

    The country is lucky the creeps didn’t try to make cows part of the polity. Their numbers were even larger.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  89. Flip says:
    @Wilkey

    One proof of that is that Asians simply aren’t as high profile in business, science, culture, etc. as you would expect them to be if they really deserved more seats at top colleges.

    I work with a lot of top level lawyers and consultants in my job, and there are getting to be plenty of South Asians (both foreign and US born) who are pretty successful. I run across very few East Asians, an occasional Hispanic, and almost no blacks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  90. Twinkie says:

    So in February 2020, 20 blacks took the CA bar test for the first time and 5% passed? That means 1 passed and 19 failed.

    Who is the ONE BLACK person who passed? Did anyone tell him he was the only one?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Reg Cæsar
  91. Anon[136] • Disclaimer says:

    Much more interesting is that Sailer’s vaunted master race–Asians–consistently score lower than Whites.

  92. @Anonymous

    There’s most certainly a dearth of black and Mexican airline pilots. Why can’t we make tests for a commercial airline pilot less demanding?

    The Pakistanis have found a way around it

    Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has grounded 150 pilots over claims they may not hold a valid licence.

    Pakistan’s aviation minister told parliament on Wednesday that a large number of commercial pilots hold fake licences or cheated in exams.

    It comes as an initial report into a PIA crash that killed 97 people last month found the cause to be human error by the pilot and air traffic control.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53182750#:~:text=Pakistan%20International%20Airlines%20(PIA)%20has,licences%20or%20cheated%20in%20exams.

  93. @Thomas

    Major corporations require quotas on associates and partners working on their files. That means at a regional or subregional firm even a marginal minority associate can bill.

    But at some point their salary offsets the bennie of billing them and then having a white redo most of their work. Lucky for the management committee, more black lawyers graduate every year.

  94. Thea says:

    The most litigious society in history needs more lawyers.

  95. @Clifford Brown

    Can anyone cue a video of former Attorney General Eric Holder speaking?

  96. BB753 says:

    “a victory for law school deans who have long hoped the change would raise the number of Black and Latino people practicing law….”

    Racist bastards! The bigotry of low expectations..

  97. Ganderson says:
    @CPK

    We should go back to allowing anyone to take the bar exam- law school or no law school. I’m sure that’ll happpen.

    • Replies: @CPK
    , @Anon
    , @3g4me
  98. Lower the passing score for commercial pilots and see how many judges poke their head into the cockpit before they nervously take their seat. But truth is, there are already too many lawyers and this will mean that the clients who hire their homies will get bad representation and that will lead to more calls of “unequal justice.” Years ago an old timer ironworker told me…”Joey. I’d rather say my daughter is a prostitute than say my son is a lawyer.”

  99. Dan Hayes says:
    @Steve Sailer

    On its face the 5% figure does appear unbelievably preposterous, but so too are the actual number of black males in the criminal justice system!

  100. mousey says:

    Of the first-time test takers from law schools accredited by the American Bar Assn., considered the top schools in the state, 51.7% of white graduates passed, compared with 5% of Black grads, 32.6% of Latinos and 42.2% of Asians.

    So this is in reference to the number of graduates who not only take the test but pass it. 5% pass rate indicates that blacks are getting job offers directly out of law school that are prestigious or lucrative enough to make them not have the desire to take the bar exam.
    So they become corporate executives instead of lawyers that are able to litigate. Maybe the incentives to not be a litigator is more of a story than how many people take the exam. Signalling maybe an important aspect for whites, latinos and asians to take the exam. Blacks just want to be paid.

  101. @Steve Sailer

    It’s not a typo.

    5% of 20 test takers is one black person passing the bar on the first time this year in the entire state of California.

    It’s for real.

  102. anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch

    LIZZO believes she be hot & sexy and they ain’t got no exam fear. It’s mo’ “what have u done for me lately?”

  103. @Colin Wright

    and correspondingly less likely to be confident.

    Competent?

  104. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Does anybody have a Nature or Nurture theory about why the Igbo dominate Nigeria’s college admission test scores?

    Yes, nurture. Catholic religious orders from Ireland (Holy Ghost Fathers and Holy Rosary Sisters) were extremely active in missions and teaching among the Igbo in Nigeria since the early 20th century. Some of the best and brightest in Ireland joined the Holy Ghost Fathers and became missionaries, becoming fluent in Igbo and setting up first-rate schools. The Igbo people were/are extraordinary people and I don’t believe it’s a coincidence that Catholicism and heroic Irish missionaries made their way there by accident.

  105. @Gaius Gracchus

    I think we need to dump the Asian superior intelligence myth. The bar exam is an IQ test of a sort. If whites pass at a higher rate than Asians, then whites are smarter.

    The bar exam skews verbal as opposed to mathematical. Hence it plays to White strengths and Asian disadvantage.

    • Replies: @gregor
  106. @Steve Sailer

    Somewhere I read that T.D. Jakes had his DNA done and he’s Igbo. Looks the part.

  107. Seneca44 says:
    @Thomas

    One would have to wonder if similar disparities exist in other skilled jobs such as physicians, pilots, accountants, and engineers. If such data is available, I’m sure it is not easily displayed for public consumption.
    The situation could be worse for consumers of these skilled services since the ability to choose a lawyer can be mulled over time by the customer; however, the choice of an ER physician or pilot may not be up to the patient or passenger.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  108. Jack D says:
    @Frank McGar

    If we could just relax and take as long as we wanted on the test then I’m sure we’d all perform better of course,

    I’m not sure I agree with this. Especially on a multiple choice test like the Multistate Bar Exam. They give you SIX hours (two 3 hour sessions) to answer a total of 200 questions. That’s a lot of time. Either you know the answer or you don’t. Having more time is not going to increase your knowledge or your IQ (most tests are really IQ tests). Generally speaking you should not change your first choice answer unless you spot a mistake. (People with low IQ always choose the “distractor” answer – an answer that is wrong but LOOKS like the right answer to a stupid person – this is why their scores are often WORSE than random guessing.) If you have too much time you might second guess yourself and change a right answer into a wrong one.

    When I took the bar exam I finished over an hour early on each section (I am a very fast reader). I then checked my answers and made sure I had filled in the right circles and there was STILL a lot of time left. Eventually I got sick of sitting there so I handed in my booklet and left. I passed.

    I can’t say that I was relaxed – it’s a very high stakes test. But neither was I anxious. I would say that I was focused and reasonably confident that I had prepared adequately and that I had what it takes to pass. If it had been a test of free throwing ability then I would have been anxious because I suck at basketball but since it was a test of something that was in my wheelhouse I wasn’t. I would have been anxious not because some kind of “stereotype threat” that Jews in general are no good at basketball, but because I know that I as an individual suck at it and really have no business auditioning for the NBA. Blacks go into the bar exam anxious because they know that they know that they personally are in over their heads. They know it from their law school grades (blacks are always at the bottom of every law school class – AA makes this worse). You could give them Valium or whatever to take away their anxiety and they would STILL be in over their heads.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
  109. @Change that Matters

    This incident still shocks me today and I just remember thinking….did that just happen.

    Not to worry, it didn’t.

  110. @notsaying

    Why aren’t we studying why people drop out and fail exams and try to take action to get the dropout rates and exam failure rates down? Think of the grief and wasted money that could be saved if more people reached their education goals. We are talking hundreds of billions of dollars and people’s futures here.

    UCLA Law School prof Richard Sander argues that many black law students would be better off going to lower-ranked law schools than the ones they attend, because when they’re severely mismatched the courses are pitched at a level that’s too high for them. And of course many black law students would be better off not being law students.

    A Systemic Analysis of Affirmative Action in American Law Schools

    https://www.brown.edu/Departments/Economics/Faculty/Glenn_Loury/louryhomepage/teaching/Ec%20137/Richard%20Sander%20on%20Affirmative%20Action%20in%20Law%20Schools.pdf

    (Note that the link is to a Glenn Loury web page.)

    Sander bases that argument on the LSAC NATIONAL LONGITUDINAL BAR PASSAGE STUDY (1998), and he had to do some creative econometrics because the data there was intentionally muddied. He’s been trying to get less muddied and more recent data, but the diversicrats have prevented that. The diversicrats have higher priorities than the interests of black would-be lawyers.

    Sander has a fascinating table here:

    https://www.elsblog.org/the_empirical_legal_studi/2006/09/why_doesnt_the_.html

    99% of entering law students expected to rank in the top 50% in law school, and that was true for whites, blacks and Hispanics separately. 0% expected to rank in the bottom 25%.

    In real life, about half of black law students rank in the bottom 10% at all types of law schools, (except of course at HBCU law schools, where that would be impossible by the pigeonhole principle of mathematics). Few black law students rank in the top 50%. (See Tables 5.1 and 5.3 at the first link.)

    • Thanks: notsaying
    • Replies: @notsaying
  111. A guy named David Pittelli has a couple of great graphs about law schools.

    For a significant fraction of law students, the decision to go to law school was stupid on a cosmic scale.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @Brutusale
  112. Hans says:

    It’s pretty hard to turn out more Ben Crumps with the bar set so dang high. Some of Ben’s best moments captured in The Trayvon Hoax –

  113. @Dr. X

    It’s not as if there’s much of an ethical difference between a lawyer and a pimp, anyway.

    I respectfully disagree.

  114. Possumman says:
    @Anonymous

    Re-black helicopter pilots—well there is T.C. on Magnum PI

  115. @Colin Wright

    ” … and correspondingly less likely to be confident.”

    … and correspondingly less likely to be competent.

    At least that’s been MY experience with AA doctors …

  116. @Prof. Woland

    Where’s our commenter with the name AbolishPublicEducation?

    Please, please homeschool your child. Do not turn him over to the enemy, even for the early grades.

  117. @kaganovitch

    One can only wonder just how much prodding there was for anyone of the test takers to even come up with the notion of ‘fear of reinforcing negative stereotypes’ when many of them probably can’t even spell ‘negative stereotypes’.

  118. @Abolish_public_education

    yep, yep and yep.

    Lots of them will wind up getting gov’t jobs.

    But a question here: why is the white pass rate higher than the Asian pass rate? I thought in every other measure Asians did better than whites?

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  119. @Jack D

    “They know it from their law school grades (blacks are always at the bottom of every law school class – AA makes this worse). You could give them Valium or whatever to take away their anxiety and they would STILL be in over their heads.”

    So, like, Joe Biden is African American?

  120. theMann says:

    Steve, if there is any possible way you can get the data, I would love to see the took/passed rate for the A+ (Comptia) and CCNA (Cisco) exams.

  121. In regard to race and the legal profession, what is the role of paralegals — how are they utilized and does this open doors for somewhat less qualified minorities to gain a foothold and some experience or does it somehow serve to shut doors (e.g if paralegals are mostly white women or something like that)?

  122. @Twinkie

    Commie WEB Du Bois was lying again; It’s the Talented Twentieth.

    • LOL: Twinkie
  123. @Anonymous

    I seem to recall a certain lady who had failed the New York bar exam so since she was living with her husband in Arkansas, took and passed the Arkansas Bar Exam.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  124. Anon7 says:
    @Anonymous

    “When evil men plot, good men plan.”

    Today’s best example of Russell Conjugation.

  125. @Steve Sailer

    That is a really good cover.

    He “practised”.

  126. @Twinkie

    Who is the ONE BLACK person who passed? Did anyone tell him he was the only one?

    He could be mulatto, diluting the final blood quantum further.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  127. Jack D says:
    @Tony Tea

    The new Perry Mason is very well done as far as sets, costumes, period details, etc. – they spent a fortune and it shows. But the plot is pure 2020. Mason has a Latina lover who is a wealthy pilot and she, not Mason, controls the terms of their relationship – she calls Mason over to service her whenever she is in the mood. Della Street is a lipstick lesbian with feminist ideas. The black cop is a good guy. All the white dudes are evil – evil cops, evil DA, evil church officials. The straight female characters (especially the Christian believers) are manipulative at best and insane at worst. The one non-evil white guy (the Lithgow character) was once a respected attorney but now he is old and his mind is fading (I think Lithgow modeled his character after Joe Biden). He might as well kill himself. Perhaps other old white men will take the hint (even Biden after the election). This has a lot more to do with 2020 than it does with 1932.

    • Thanks: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Forbes
  128. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Or else Caribbean or African (and the Caribbean ones are often also mulattoes). In high IQ occupations, unmixed American slave descendants are perhaps the least commonly found type of black. AA has been a blessing for half black kids raised by a white parent (almost always the mother – the black father contributes his genes and then skips out of town) and immigrant black offspring. The one group that is mostly absent are the American slave descendants that AA is supposedly there to help.

  129. Escher says:

    But this month, the California Supreme Court, which oversees the state bar, agreed to lower the passing score for the exam, a victory for law school deans who have long hoped the change would raise the number of Black and Latino people practicing law….

    Ergo, blacks and Latinos are dumb, hence need to be held to lower standards.
    On the other hand, an immigrant from Vietnam who entered the country poor and not speaking any English does just fine.

  130. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous

    Jesus Christ, how many black commercial helicopter pilots have you ever seen?

    There was that bloke in Magnum, P.I.

  131. @Colin Wright

    I wouldn’t want a Moroccan uhm….. anything other than cook. Like normal Sand-N-words. Goes WITHOUT saying.

  132. @Jack D

    Eh, what I really wanted to know – Is Hamilton Burger Jewish ?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  133. CPK says:
    @Gaius Gracchus

    Keep in mind that law students aren’t a representative cross-section, so a lower bar passage rates don’t necessarily disprove the “Asian superior intelligence myth”. At best, it only tells us something about those Asians who go to law school.

    Law students are notoriously the bottom of the “smart kid” stack. For some groups this is partially offset by law’s cultural cachet (see all the Jewish-mother jokes about “my son the lawyer”). My sense is that Asian-Americans don’t have the same regard for it, and steer their smartest kids towards STEM instead.

    • Agree: Calvin Hobbes
  134. @Mr McKenna

    First of all, we need to bust a move. My son did not ‘thrive’ with distance learning but it is clear that is what our school district wants and got. So it is go big or go home for us. Parents do not have the ability to transfer the money out of our school district due to Prop. L which passed a year or two ago. That means the teachers get paid to do nothing, literally, while we have to deal with this the best we can with our own resources. In effect, we are homeschooling. There are no charter school exemptions and Newsom shut all of the exits by banning private schools and if you home school with more than two kids you have huge liability issues.

    At this stage I am far more worried about my son’s emotional health. School is a lot more than just having a teacher tell you what to do. Sitting in front of a computer 6 hours a day is unhealthy and he does not learn much so we are wasting time, or worse. More importantly, interacting with others socially is a very big part of growing up. It is clear that the children’s health is not what is at risk from Corona virus, the teacher’s maybe, so I am not panicked.

    Yes, we do have connections in another country and if it means giving up the economic equivalent of a nice used economy car to make sure he get what he needs for a year we will do it. Yes, we do have resources, but this is why I have worked my whole life and if I have to commit the resources than so be it.

    True, my comment was a bit unfair but somethings such as only having 24 hours n a day, impact us all equally. Poor parents are going to have to ‘home school’ too. What we do with it is a different thing which was my point.

  135. @Dorkbaby

    the doofus’s clients, most of whom will be black, will end up getting screwed.

    Yup–bad legal representation (civil or criminal) is devastating.

    There are so many laws these days, and they are so complex–there is just very little room for error.

    This is exactly the wrong time to lower standards.

  136. @Anon

    I always take advice on issues such as parenting with a grain of salt, especially when it comes from someone who isn’t a parent. This isn’t 30 years in the future, we have to make a decision within two weeks.

    The idea that your son’s IQ will ultimately insure his longterm success is a probabilistic stretch.

    As for my IQ comment, don’t bet against it. I was rationalizing, but the reality is that there are millions of students all over the world that effectively been robbed of a year or more of their education. That is just a reality and everyone has to deal with it. And, yes, some will do better than others but of course that is just how the world works. How it will effect them in the long run is anyone’s guess but this might be the year to take him out of school and go travel somewhere.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  137. travis says:
    @syonredux

    Whites are the minority of all Americans under the age of 20. Over the next decade 10 million more non-whites will emigrate into the United States, amnesty will probably get passed next year, resulting in a massive increase in aliens into America.

    whites are declining in numbers, as more whites have died over the past 5 years than were born. The decline is accelerating due to crashing fertility rates of whites combined with Interracial marriages which produce non-white children. The decline in the white population is starting to accelerate. Whites will be a minority by 2040 if current trends continue. The number of whites born last year reached a 100 year-low, falling to 1.8 million babies.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/06/21/the-year-trump-was-elected-more-white-americans-died-than-were-
    In 2016, 2.09 million white babies were born, and 2.13 million died. Among nonwhites, 1.78 million people were born, while 583,000 died. On net, setting aside other factors such as immigration itself, the nonwhite population grew by 1.2 million people in 2016, while the white population shrank by 50,000. So even if immigration is reduced to zero , the white population will continue falling as the minority population increases by 1.2 million per year. So during the Trump administration the number of white people has declined while the number of non-whites has increased by 8 million (when including the ~4 million non-whites who have immigrated over the last 4 years.)

    the number of “white babies” born is the number of babies born to white mothers. The actual number of white babies born was less than 2 million in 2016 , because 10% had a non-white father. We will see this in the census data, since the 2 million white births will equal less than 2 million white children when they are counted for the 2020 census. the actual decline in the number of white people since 2015 is closer to 1 million. The white population will be less than 200 million on the 2020 census. It peaked at 200 million in 2015 and is now back to 2010 levels. The decline in the actual number of whites has started and will accelerate over the next decade.

  138. Jack D says:
    @kaganovitch

    William Whitney Talman, Jr. sure as hell wasn’t.

    Come to think of it, in the new series I can’t think of any character who is identifiably Jewish, while the real LA circa 1932 was not devoid of Jews even outside of Hollywood.

  139. Most states allow for experienced attorneys to “waive in” to the bar without taking the exam. Usually, 3-5 years of practice without any disciplinary issues on your record will get you in, so long as you pay the fees and take the CLEs every year (law licenses in most states cost about $500-600 in most states, if you include the fees to take the required CLEs).

    But a few states don’t allow anyone to waive in.

    California, New Jersey, and Florida are the most famous examples. You can have practiced 50 years, argued dozens of cases before the U.S. Supreme Court, and have written textbooks, but if you want to move your practice to these states, you have to sit with every wet-behind-the-ears law school graduate for the bar exam.

    Traditionally, these are states where experienced lawyers “retired” to or moved to in the late stages of their careers, and the state bars didn’t want them to just waltz in in retirement, open up a shop, and offer cut-rate prices (because the retiree only needed a bit of extra dough) and steal business from guys trying to make a living.

    I believe Delaware might be this strict as well, but that’s likely due to the corporate lawyers in Wilmington trying to protect their monopoly; Joe BIden’s handlers don’t like outside lawyers horning in on their good deal.

  140. I have read that lawyers will be rendered redundant in the near future (in the next two decades) due to automation. If that turns out to be correct (I doubt it), how is it a good thing that more students will get in debt, or at the very least spend time and resources to prepare for a job that supposedly will be heavily cut down soon? Theodore Dalrymple said, and I agree with him, that it can be dangerous for a society to have many young educated individuals who become disillusioned when they find out all the training they went through, which can be very costly, is unnecessary for the jobs actually available to them.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  141. hhsiii says:
    @Prof. Woland

    Yeah, here in NYC my daugher is starting middle school in a public school, 6th grade, 3 cohorts, so she will attend every 3rd day (2 days 1 week and 1 day another). Home school other than that. It’s not in our immediate neighborhood but down near my wife and my offices, so she doesn’t know any of these kids.

    Our sons, 4 and 6, will attend 1st grade and pre-K at PS 6. 2 cohorts, so 3 days 1 week, 2 days another in school, the rest remote learning. Remote learning is easier for an 11 year old. The boys not so much. Hard for them to stay focused on line, and they obey teachers more than their parents. 🙂 In school they are used to following the common rules. Well, the 1st grader. The pre-k one has only been to daycare so far.

    It sucks, but better than California, for now.

    As far as the bar exam thing. Wow. I took it in NY 1990. I got kinda wound up staying up late cramming and ended up with a 102 fever. But I passed first time. Still practicing (as they say). JFK, Jr. also took the bar that time. It was his 3rd try. I wondered if they maybe made the test easier so John-John could finally pass. 🙂

    The good thing about the law is that once you pass, it’s all an open book exam.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  142. Asking a brudda to practice law be like askin sum square ass cracka to mack – crackas jus too dorky n uptite, nomsayin

  143. The phenomenon is also appearing in Europe. In 2019 the French education ministry proposed to “reform’ the BAC (bacccalaureate examination) to make it easier since the usual suspects weren’t passing. This year they cancelled the exam entirely (first time since Napoleon Bonaparte) and awarded passing grades based on previously-completed coursework.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-france-education/coronavirus-forces-cancellation-of-french-bac-exam-for-first-time-since-napoleon-idUSKBN21L1R7

    And admission to France’s prestigious Ecole National d’Administration is being reformed to get more African and Arab students.

  144. @Steve Sailer

    The main character in Chinua Achebe’s Things Fall Apart, raises himself out of poverty to kulak status with several wives, by dint of hard work and enterprise.

    That would seem to be eugenic. But Achebe doesn’t mention slavery in that book AFAIR, although he does describe infanticide. So I don’t know how representative that book is. It was supposedly based on his grandfather.

    Maybe the slaves sold to the Hausa and Fulani and whites were disproportionately from the loser demographic. And thus Hausa/Fulani IQ took a hit (ditto AAs)?

    Most Nigerians in the UK are from the South – Ibo and Yoruba. They do better in school than Jamaicans, at least in the first generation. But they seem to crop up in street crime stories a lot too.

    I doubt anyone has really good data on Igbos vs Yorubas in the west. The people who could gather it won’t – it might be counter narrative.

  145. Jack D says:
    @hhsiii

    In the case of JFK Jr. I always wondered how much of his failure was just lack of brains vs. how much was that, given his glamorous lifestyle, attending parties and drinking and dancing and jetsetting and lying with the maidens was just so much more fun than sitting in a BAR/BRI bar review class (in my day it was given in a giant old ballroom atop the hotel opposite Penn Station) that he couldn’t bring himself to do the latter night after night. The bar exam is more a feat of memorization than something requiring a lot of intellectual HP and there are no real shortcuts to the cramming process.

    • Agree: Hhsiii
  146. Muggles says:

    There are other professional credential test outcomes which would be interesting to compare also.

    The CPA exam is now national and reciprocity pretty universal. Some states have added extra pieces (ethnics for one) but it is now basically the same, multi part, computer based. I suspect there are racial stats for that.

    I am not sure about the medical exams (and even more specialty exams) but stats should be available for those. Also actual professional engineers. Who unlike a lot of professions now claiming to be “engineers” like software designers, have to take a very tough exam.

    Architects take professional exams too. I think most of the higher level professional exams are now standardized across the country, There is also a big industry serving test takes, test prep courses, etc. Most of the professional tests allow some partial passing of X sections to count, so you don’t always have to pass the entire thing at once (the CPA exam is like that, have to pass at least two of five parts though.) Some tests have limits on how many times you can take it before you are out.

    If racial disparities are found consistently across professional exams, what can be concluded? Those are the Forbidden Questions now.

  147. Forbes says:
    @Jack D

    So stereotypes are not verboten so long as the woke-left controls Hollywood and TV.

    Thanks for watching so I don’t have to…

    • Replies: @Jack D
  148. Escher says:

    Pass the Bar

    Saps breath.

  149. Escher says:
    @Anon

    Not wanting to hire them is one thing.
    Having to hire them because “racism” is likely what will happen.

  150. @stillCARealist

    I was wondering about that as well, and if I recall correctly, there was a similar dynamic with the medical boards (USMLE) that whites showed higher scores (on average) than Asians, which is of course unexpected. I guess the possibilities are:

    –perhaps for cultural reasons Asians push themselves into professions that are at their absolute cognitive limit white whites take it a bit easier and only do things that are well within their natural capabilities. That is, Law and Med school are taking a more elite cut of the white population.

    –perhaps Whites mature cognitively more slowly and so that White-Asian gap is not as pronounced as it is in high school.

    Or something else, or some combination of the two.

  151. @Colin Wright

    Colin, very few blacks seem to realize that when you have Afirmative Action, patients, clients, and employers are immediately wondering if you are qualified.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anon7
  152. Jack D says:
    @Forbes

    It started off pretty well as a standard noirish murder mystery. An unsolved horrific crime in the vein of the Lindbergh kidnapping. Mason is the private eye called in to solve it. As I said before, the period detail is terrific. They’ve got it down to every last light switch and tie clasp.

    But it is going to take him 8 hours of film to solve this one little murder. In 8 hours. Miss Marple could solve 8 murders with time left over for tea and crumpets.

    It’s not really a murder mystery. The murder is just a McGuffin so that they can show you all this period detail and introduce all these stock characters who fit the mold of good and evil in 2020 terms – the Wise Latina, the saintly black man, the lesbian feminist (who is nevertheless Hollywood beautiful), the evil corrupt cops, etc.

    • Replies: @anon
  153. Anon[249] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Radical Muzzie candidate withdraws from election in Chicago after being caught laughing at attacks on cops. This is interesting because she never would have withdrawn on her own. It means the Chicago Democratic machine ordered her to drop out. The Machine is running scared after the riots (and recent Fed investigations into Machine creatures).

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/muslim-democrat-political-candidate-illinois-endorsed-hillary-clinton-says-watching-video-assault-federal-officer-repeat-laughing-non-stop/

    https://dupagegop.com/press-releases/hadiya-police-violence

  154. @Prof. Woland

    Prof, a suggestion to you and the others here in this distance learning predicament. There are hundreds of capable teachers who can’t find jobs in tenure protected union school districts. Advertise that you want a whatever grade tutor. Then do not pay your school taxes. Why pay for what you are not receiving. If the district gets a judgement against you, so be it. Tell them you need a payment plan. In the meantime your precious child, not being sarcastic, will have a private tutor and you will have the comfort of knowing you are a great dad. God bless you.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
  155. Anon7 says:

    Why go to the trouble of maintaining a higher standard? Take the single mother way out – just let it go. Lower the standard a little, get a box of wine from the fridge, chill out.

    Interesting caller to Limbaugh today, a black inner city teacher. He said that black kids don’t learn to respect authority in the single mother home and their first inclination when confronted by police is to be defiant, to prove they’re not afraid of them, and to try to weasel out of it, just like they do at home.

    You could conclude that the Defund the Police movement is an extension of the Remove black Men from the Home movement by offering welfare and telling mothers they’re better off single. This latter movement is now 78% complete in the black community.

    They’re trying to solve the problem of black kids getting into trouble with authority by getting rid of authority.

    These children learn to manipulate their mothers, who give in and allow bad behavior rather than offering correction. Defund the Police is just an extension of this idea, and of course it makes sense to these inner city single mothers. They’ve already given in.

    • Agree: Cortes
  156. Anon7 says:

    I’d add that allowing women into higher positions in organizations is the source of the problem of lowered standards. Western organizations and disciplines (as we call them) were created by men for men and we know the requirements innately.

    Women don’t get it. They feel embarrassed holding people to the standard, especially now that they’re accurately aware that some groups meet standards better than others. They don’t have an innate sense of why standards are important. Women are capable of meeting standards, but only under constant male authority and supervision.

    • Agree: Just another serf
    • Replies: @Jesse
  157. @syonredux

    Syon, love your comments….lower case “b” please.

  158. J.Ross says:

    We want law exams to be culturally biased. Law is the business end of culture.

  159. 128 says:

    Or maybe, just maybe, East Asians are not that strong in verbal IQ, so they invent some sort of elegant rationalization (sour grapes) inside their head that verbal IQ does not represent “real intelligence”, as opposed to math IQ, that all the dumb kids end up in law school, whereareas the “really intelligent” kids are the ones that take up math courses? Just like how verbal IQ is not a strong point among among right wingers (though maybe that is just for the US?) so they invent some kind of logic that verbal IQ is more fake than math IQ, and how only math IQ is a true litmus test of intelligence?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  160. 128 says:

    Maybe that is the reason why the right lost the culture war? Because they can not sell their ideas well because of relative lack of verbal IQ at the high end? Well the right wingers can say that the other side is manipulative, but isn’t being good at verbal persuasion a sign of having a high verbal IQ, and I guess you can say that one regards as manipulation is someone else’s idea of having good oratorical and marketing skills?

    Also this seems to indicate that verbal and numerical reason is more important in mathematical ability than visuospatial IQ. Makes sense why a lot of the most famous physicists are Jewish.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6480791/

    Previous research has shown that psychometrically assessed cognitive abilities are predictive of achievements in science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) even in highly selected samples. Spatial ability, in particular, has been found to be crucial for success in STEM, though its role relative to other abilities has been shown mostly when assessed years before entering higher STEM education. Furthermore, the role of spatial ability for mathematics in higher STEM education has been markedly understudied, although math is central across STEM domains. We investigated whether ability differences among students who entered higher STEM education were predictive of achievements during the first undergraduate year. We assessed 317 undergraduate students in Switzerland (150 from mechanical engineering and 167 from math-physics) on multiple measures of spatial, verbal and numerical abilities. In a structural equation model, we estimated the effects of latent ability factors on students’ achievements on a range of first year courses. Although ability-test scores were mostly at the upper scale range, differential effects on achievements were found: spatial ability accounted for achievements in an engineering design course beyond numerical, verbal and general reasoning abilities, but not for math and physics achievements. Math and physics achievements were best predicted by numerical, verbal and general reasoning abilities. Broadly, the results provide evidence for the predictive power of individual differences in cognitive abilities even within highly competent groups. More specifically, the results suggest that spatial ability’s role in advanced STEM learning, at least in math-intensive subjects, is less critical than numerical and verbal reasoning abilities.

  161. JimB says:
    @anon

    Idiocracy was just a movie, right? Right?

    Greeter:
    Hi, welcome to Costco. I love you.

    Frito:
    Yeah, I know this place pretty good. I went to law school here.

    Joe:
    You went to law school at Costco?

    Frito:
    So did my father. Thank God for being a legacy, or else I might not have gotten in.

  162. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flip

    East Asians dont appear trustworthy to normal white folks. We fought many wars there in the late 20th century.

    All the dissimulation cliches.

  163. JimB says:
    @Thomas

    Only 5% of black graduates of ABA-accredited law schools pass the California bar exam on the first time??

    The Kennedy’s weren’t all that great at passing it either.
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-07-24-mn-895-story.html

  164. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I call that the pilot in the cockpit test. Every other profession appears to have been finessed, disguised so no one dies by these sham appointments.

    You walk into a plane and see two black women in the cockpit, Im confident half the people would simply turn around and not take the flight. For me its the same with Asian and Hispanic women.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  165. @Calvin Hobbes

    Calvin, my son talked his cousin out of marrying a girl who was hell bent on going to Georgetown law, based soley on the shared debt that would impact their lives. Heavy debt is poor way to start off your life.

  166. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimB

    WE ARE SAVED! The powers of light and goodness have prevailed!

    The California Supreme Court finally took decisive action this June to call out the evil that was built into our very Constitution by those dastardly Founders two plus centuries ago, thousands of miles from California. If only the Cal Supes could have contributed their collective wisdom back then!

    Quote:

    We must acknowledge that, in addition to overt bigotry, inattention and complacency have allowed tacit toleration of the intolerable. These are burdens particularly borne by African Americans as well as Indigenous Peoples singled out for disparate treatment in the United States Constitution when it was ratified. We have an opportunity, in this moment, to overcome division, accept responsibility for our troubled past, and forge a unified future for all who share devotion to this country and its ideals.

  167. @Prof. Woland

    Prof, they weren’t robbed of a year of their education, that can be made up. They were denied a chance to socialize and bond. I still have close friends from HS and the those shared experiences are foundation builders.

  168. Anonymous[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @128

    More likely they are just med school dropouts. The state bar is not really a hard test either I mean you have plenty of dumb lawyers who I assume must have passed it. If it’s multiple choice anyone actually smart could probably blow through it in a week or two. It just goes to show how dumb most people are in general. Same with the SATs, they aren’t any harder than the SOLs if you’re actually smart. And somehow most people do poorly on it.

  169. The most glorious event, in the otherwise dismal history of the CA judiciary, was back in the 80’s when voters fired Rose Bird, Cruz Reynoso, and Joe Grodin in one fell swoop.

    Judge Persky got a bad deal.

  170. @Buffalo Joe

    Thank you for your kind words. That is the Pandemic Pod model. The problem there is, how I understand it, if there are more than 2 children in the class a whole rash of requirements and liabilities come into play. The other thing is that we were totally unprepared. We got hit with a one -two, one being told of DL only and the second was Newsom’s putting the kibosh on the private / religious schools. We are all just scrambling right now and any opening will get snapped up by all the parents looking for an alternative.

    The best part of this is many of these experienced teachers are quite based which is why they did not fit in the public school system to begin with. You absolutely want to have a teacher who’s values align with yours and how you want your children taught. My kid had a tutor last year and she is very conservative although that is one reason she moved back to New England. We are becoming besieged.
    This is going to become an even bigger issue once anti-white hate becomes a mandatory part of the curriculum.

  171. @RichardTaylor

    Until the military dictatorship, Blacks had not been part of the polity.

    So why were they represented in Congress? That was totally illegitimate.

    But indeed, the Old Yankee stock was eager to spill oceans of blood to punish the Southern Whites they so hated.

    Perhaps their own incursions into Ohio, Massachusetts, and other white states to fetch stray Africans had something to do with that “hatred”. “States’ rights for me, not for thee…”

    Not much as changed; the descendants of the horrid Puritans push Political Correctness today.

    We do? You’re the one who gets all worked up when I point out that colo(u)red folk have been spitting in your food for 400 years, though for some reason never explicitly denying it. That the quality of life in a state is inversely correlated to the percentage of blacks living in it, and always has been. That planters that conscripted white boys to die whil(st) allowing colo(u)red boys to stay home in safety and play deserved to have been lined up and shot.

    That all the South’s problems derive ultimately from their original refusal to hire white men to do the job. Before the first Puritan had arrived!

    You will probably love FoundingFathers.org‘s loving defenses of the plantation system. I can’t read them without gagging at all the kissing of Negro arse necessary to make them.

    “One could wager that the master treated the slave like a prized race horse and made sure that the slave was as healthy as possible as those slaves are the work horses of the plantation. And if the work horses of the plantation are sick or injured, the amount of food could be significantly less and result in severe food rationing and partial starvation.”

    https://www.foundingfathers.org/Papers/Slavery/SlaveryIsNotFreeLabor.aspx

    He even claims it was just to draft white farmboys to fight and die and leave the coloured (pardon the abolitionists’ favored spelling, but at least it isn’t Webster’s) at home to play because they were “needed” to feed everybody. Somehow Africans never worked before 1619 nor after 1865, but by magic, by voodoo, by white Wakanda juju, they helped make America rich!

    That’s the politically correct belief, not my rejection of it. You agree with the reparationists that African presence was ever a plus. And that the planter class weren’t race traitors.

    You and Corvinus are two seeds in an okra pod!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  172. @Change that Matters

    Perhaps the IQs of the 95% who fail are the range of this mastermind and fabricant:

    13.3k upvotes

    Yeah, we’re doomed.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  173. @Clyde

    Medical blacks must be the most lethal.

    At one point my pretty good male dot Indian physician left the practice I used and I was assigned to the care of a black woman doctor.

    Don’t let this happen to you.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @E. Rekshun
  174. Jesse says:
    @Anonymous

    Funny, but no. Businessmen, politicians and journalists/stenographers fly *way* too much for that to, uh, fly.

    It’s actually a good idea, on its own terms, but no racial huckster would dare bring it up for the media to bury/shout down. It would antagonize TPTB too much.

  175. Jesse says:
    @Anon7

    God, you people just cannot help yourselves, can you? You just keep explaining over and over why you’ve achieved nothing.

    What would be interesting is for one of you to state what stuff like this has brought you.

  176. @adreadline

    I have read that lawyers will be rendered redundant in the near future (in the next two decades) due to automation

    Anyone saying that is likely autistic and has had minimal or zero interaction with courts before in their lives.

    That’s right up there with people saying we can end “inequality” and that “there’s no such thing as race or racial differences.”

  177. Marty says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Well, if you want to know the truth, no, California judges don’t mostly come from the lawyer class. Most judges are appointed after long service as either prosecutors or public defenders. So most judges come to the bench with zero experience in 95% of legal subjects, i.e. contracts, insurance, real estate, intellectual property, wills/trusts, family law. For the small minority who did practice in big firms, here’s a secret: they somehow get kicked up to the appellate level after just a few years in a trial court, where all the headaches are. So that answers your question about why give up the big firm money. For example, a 20-year SF big firm partner who became a judge in Alameda Co. once denied me attorney fees while deriding the number of hours I spent winning the case. After stinking things up as a trial judge for 2-3 years, now he’s on the Court of Appeal shaping the law.

  178. @Nachum

    It is still an IQ test, just like the SAT is an IQ test even with its section on vocabulary. It is about applying knowledge. On the multiple choice portion, every answer is “correct” and the trick is to pick the most correct in 3 minutes. Many don’t complete it in the timeframe, while the truly intelligent finish it in half the time.

    A test-taker needs to be smart enough to work through it and many can’t think that fast and under pressure, hence they fail.

    The written portions are not mere regurgitation of black letter laws, but knowing the right one and applying it correctly.

    All efforts to lower the passing score or waiving the bar exam are about letting unqualified mostly minority people into the bar. There are enough dumb lawyers already, which wreck havoc with the legal system and hurt the public. We should raise the passing score and make attorneys retake the exam once a decade. It would be better for everyone.

    • Replies: @Nachum
  179. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prof. Woland

    Your wife should try homeschooling. Any reasonably intelligent adult with a Bachelor’s degree can be a teacher, and probably better than any elementary school teacher, who I’m convinced are people who flunk Geometry and Algebra II in high school. There are so many resources online now, including lots of workbooks that you can buy from Amazon to help with all subjects. Khan Academy is great for math. Elementary school is a waste of time. They don’t teach them anything of substance. It’s just a place to learn how to socialize, and mostly not in a good way.

    A lot of times, homeschooling parents are not so much teachers as facilitators. There is a treasure trove of resources online for homeschooling. More parents should homeschool. The one silver lining that could come out of this pandemic is hopefully more families will choose to homeschool, and end the indoctrination of our schools.

  180. @Steve Sailer

    A wise man once said to me, “always hire an old lawyer and a young doctor.”

  181. anon[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    An unsolved horrific crime in the vein of the Lindbergh kidnapping. Mason is the private eye called in to solve it.

    Huh. In Earl’s books the detective is Paul Drake. Perry Mason is the attorney at law with a face of granite.

    It’s not really a murder mystery.

    Yeah, that was clear from your first comment. I’m with Forbes, thanks for watching so we don’t hafta.

  182. guest says:

    “a victory for law school deans”

    Does anyone care about them, except insofar as they have political pull? I think they mean:

    a victory for race-hustlers and all manner of discivilizationists.

    “who have long hoped”

    No, not hoped. They know that would be the effect.

    “the change would raise the number of [black] and Latino people blah-blah-blah”

    Omg, racist! Maybe blacks and browns have better things to do.

    Seriously though, I notice the article goes on to talk about white Overrepresentation, yet somehow only blacks and Latinos are poised to benefit. Hmm.

    Aren’t there other kinds of humans? Like the ones inhabiting the world’s largest continent?

  183. guest says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I don’t really care whether the “b” is a b or a B. The irksome thing is when “white” is lowercase right alongside it. Go one way or another, please.

    The way they’re doing it is too obvious in its attempt to belittle me. Subtlety would be nice. Where are those microaggressions I’m always hearing about?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  184. Easier solution. Just name your child Lawyer, as in ex NFL player Lawyer Milloy, or ordain him like the former NFL player Priest Holmes.

    • Replies: @black sea
  185. guest says:
    @Currahee

    I once saw a documentary on modren high skrool debates like this one, and they were utterly incomprehensible to me. Like watching space aliens, only they were speaking English (sort of).

    The black ones didn’t bother starting let alone staying on topic, but immediately went into Slam Poetry about how debates are racist. Kidnapping the judges’ children and holding a gun to their heads onstage would be just as intellectually viable.

    However, the whites weren’t much better. They carted in totes full of notes and breathlessly speedread through them like the Micromachines Man. I have no idea what could possibly have been the point, except maybe they don’t get to hand in the paper they spent months writing without speaking out every word in the allotted time.

    In short, these are anti-debates in the same way a 100-yard dash would be an anti-race if all competitors laid down at the starting line to see who could sleep longest.

  186. gregor says:
    @kaganovitch

    It seems the Asian advantage declines as you move up through grade school, high school, college and beyond. While they tend to have high entrance metrics (test scores+GPA), they also tend to underperform those metrics relative to whites. This is definitely true for law school GPA and bar exam performance but (as I recall) also for medical school and undergrad. I think what’s going on is that Asians tend to “try harder” than whites at a given ability level but by the time you get to college and grad school you start to converge more toward your underlying ability. Possibly there are also personality factors in play. Even in mathematics their advantage seems to pretty much disappear at elite levels, i.e., doing original mathematical research.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @kaganovitch
  187. JimB says:
    @James Speaks

    They don’t wash their hands or wear gloves.

    And they hand out antibiotics like breath mints.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Brutusale
  188. notsaying says:
    @Calvin Hobbes

    This is terrible all the way around. It’s terrible that blacks do so poorly. It is also terrible that their expectations are so at odds with reality. Actually it’s terrible that almost all law students expectation are to be the top 50%.

    I found the chart in my link with the correlation between LSAT scores and bar passage in a minute on the internet. Kids interested in going to law school and their parents can easily find it too, along with rankings of law schools and chances of failing the bar (also at my link). People are desperate to get into prestigious and high paying jobs and don’t want to be discouraged by the facts. There should be more lawyers and law schools discouraging risky students from even trying.

  189. @The Wild Geese Howard

    At one point my pretty good male dot Indian physician left the practice I used and I was assigned to the care of a black woman doctor.

    Who was the more feminine of the two?

  190. The end of standards is as if the white liberal establishment had a red pill slipped into its collective drink. They’re now acting implicitly on race realist premises, but don’t seem to understand why, so they keep going back to the only rationale and logic they’re comfortable with.

  191. @JimB

    And they hand out antibiotics like breath mints.

    I heard a comedy country song about long-distance trucking on our local college’s radio station ca. 1971. It had the line “poppin them bennies like they was M&Ms“.

    I never heard it again, yet never forgot it. It wasn’t Asleep at the Wheel, but someone in that genre.

    Anybody recognize it?

    • Replies: @guest
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
  192. Anon[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fox

    It has begun. Harvard has already dumb down their lower level Physics courses to allow more women and POCs to pass.

    Richard Sander of UCLA Law School did an in-depth study of the low passing rate for black law school grads in his book Mismatch. Amy Wax of Penn Law has also discussed this openly as a failure of affirmative action, and was punished by the dean of her school who took away the first year law class she had been teaching for years.

  193. Anonymous[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    That all the South’s problems derive ultimately from their original refusal to hire white men to do the job. Before the first Puritan had arrived!

    White men didn’t want to work out in the hot sun picking cotton all day. Why should they?

    It’s also true that oxen were used to pull heavy carts. Was that wrong too? Should oxen have been given the vote and their owners slaughtered for not paying a white man to do that job?

  194. Anon[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @gregor

    East Asians tend to be stronger in visual-spatial and math reasoning and weaker in verbal ability than whites/South Asians. This shows in their lower law school results and their generally smaller representation in law and politics. Being a practical minded people, they also tend to be more interested in the application of math, e.g. in engineering, business, statistics and scientific research, than in pure math with no obvious application in real life.

    Most East Asians are not particularly ambitious or with an inquiring mind. Perhaps it comes from millennia of political oppression where those who asked too many questions or did not fall in line with the norm often got in trouble, it has become a survival skill and ingrained in their culture. They are content living the middle class life, do as they are told, stay out of trouble, respect authority, don’t rock the boat or ask too many questions, which is why they rarely achieve eminence, but they are capable of building advanced, peaceful and safe societies, like most of Northeast Asia.

  195. Anon7 says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I put myself through school in the early Seventies, and did summer temp work in which I worked for a lot of different supervisors and managers; about half were women, several were black. This was about a decade before Affirmative Action hit for real.

    NO ONE ever said a word about how she didn’t deserve a promotion, or she slept her way into a better job, or that [racial slur] had no business being a supervisor. And believe me, there were guys who would have said it if that’s what they thought.

    They were all competent supervisors, the men and women, the whites and blacks and hispanics. They were all held to the exact same standard, and everyone knew it.

    Now, though, every time you see a minority or a woman in a particular position, you start to wonder. (And maybe you talk with them for a few moments, and you know they got a pass.)

  196. To be fair, the CA bar exam is infamously and needlessly tough, and “lowering standard” to the level of such notorious backwaters as NY or DC (well know for their lack of top lawyers, right?) would benefit a lot more whites than POC’s.

  197. @gregor

    Even in mathematics their advantage seems to pretty much disappear at elite levels, i.e., doing original mathematical research.

    You may be right, but it’s also possible that the SD of Whites is greater than that of Asians, thus yielding a fatter right tail.

  198. @Prof. Woland

    The best part of this is many of these experienced teachers are quite based which is why they did not fit in the public school system to begin with. You absolutely want to have a teacher who’s values align with yours and how you want your children taught.

    One would think that private schools could step into this breach. Though it’s a bit of a roadblock that parents are then required to finance two sets of schools.

    My kid had a tutor last year and she is very conservative although that is one reason she moved back to New England. We are becoming besieged.

    A rude awakening awaits her in New England.

    This is going to become an even bigger issue once anti-white hate becomes a mandatory part of the curriculum.

    It’s been that way for decades, imho. Just ramped up a bit now.

  199. @Prof. Woland

    prof, I am sorry for this situation. But there are lots of eager unemployed teachers who will hire on as a tutor for you. A class action suit is probably the only way to make public education teach again. Distance learing with two one hour classes a week is fraud, criminal fraud. And, soon we will hear that children of color are the most affected and that will be good. Dems and union teachers will roll over for that.

  200. anon[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    OK Boomer

    Lol @ trolls trolling each other over dead history.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  201. @Mr McKenna

    “PS: Dirty little secret is that the bar exam isn’t actually very difficult, but lots of law students aren’t actually very smart. ”

    Nonsense. The problem is that law “school” is unique in not actually teaching legal practice, hence the need for the bar exam and exam prep courses. It’s a sinecure for “woke” theorists who, in many cases, have never practiced or been in a court room (professionally, that is). Hence, the “Socratic method,” which involves guessing what answer the teacher wants. Hence, teachers using the same materials for 30 years. Hence, classes consisting of bull sessions on “how to bring justice and socialism to America”. Hence, students, having passed their first year, stop going to classes altogether.

  202. @Steve Sailer

    “The “5%” could be a typo.”

    So according to the July 2018 test results you added to the post the corresponding black pass rate was 45.1% (with a much larger sample size). Which actually isn’t so bad.

  203. @guest

    guest, nice reply and spot on.

  204. @CPK

    “Big push right now from recent grads is to waive the bar exam entirely, and substitute “diploma privilege” (everyone who earns a JD in the state is treated as having passed the bar).”

    Oh My God. Given that law school teaches nothing, and students learn everything at bar review classes, this is a recipe for disaster.

    And does no one ever consider that empowering incompetent minority lawyers and sending them into “the community” doesn’t help one bit?

    (That’s the story, but actually minorities don’t “serve the community” because poor folks saddled with law school debt flee to corporate jobs to make a living. The “community organizers” are rich white kids a la a Kennedy or Clinton)

    • Replies: @CPK
  205. @James Speaks

    They think the certificate is what enables them to practice law their way.

    Many, many people — from all races — think this way. It goes hand-in-hand with blank slatism.

  206. @Anonymous

    White men didn’t want to work out in the hot sun picking cotton all day…

    …for inadequate pay, no. White men are kinda fussy that way.

    Why should they?

    Well, somebody actually has to do the work.

    What turned Washington against slavery was his experience that they were total crap for workers. But even he chased down runaways. Jeez, when a worker doesn’t show up, you fire him.

    No wonder it was inefficient!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Corvinus
  207. Anonymous[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well, somebody actually has to do the work

    Well that’s what the slaves were for. Their physical characteristics made it easier for them. But nobody with any sense that they should be free to walk around and vote.

    No wonder it was inefficient

    It worked for centuries on multiple continents. Hardly a failure. But regardless, is mass killing of your racial Brothers the proper response to a disagreement about economic efficiency?

    By the way, this seems to be a made-up baloney excuse, after the fact, intended to appeal to a race realist audience. At the time the reasons for war were quite clear. The abolitionist had made their love of their black brothers quite clear.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  208. @anon

    I’m not one for watching things more than once, but I make an exception for Idiocracy.

  209. @The Wild Geese Howard

    She’s just practicing for her Pulitzer.

    But yes. People believe this. Because they’ve seen it hundreds of times! On TV and in the Movies. So it’s obviously real. It’s obviously a thing.

  210. CPK says:
    @James O'Meara

    And does no one ever consider that empowering incompetent minority lawyers and sending them into “the community” doesn’t help one bit?

    No, because our conventional measures of incompetence are racist.

    Those minority lawyers are competent in ways the white man’s metrics don’t measure.

    Besides, if they’re incompetent, it’s only because we racistly didn’t give them enough support. So it’s really our fault, and we have an obligation to keep supporting and helping them to make up for it.

    (Seriously. I’ve had this argument with students who were complaining about the lack of “diversity” at my law school — really, the lack of black students — and these were the arguments I got. And these kids are going to be clerking for judges and representing clients this time next year. Ugh.)

  211. @Thomas

    California has already been at the forefront of proposing that non-lawyers and non-law firms be allowed to practice law, in a limited capacity.

    Is having a law degree a requirement in US jurisdictions that have elected DAs and judges? As I understand it, in NY there are hundreds of judges who have no legal training.

    If people want to get into whether or not a judge is ‘practising law’, we can do that… but an untrained, unqualified judge poses a far greater risk to defendants, than an untrained counsel – because the judge has almost unlimited protection for his incompetence.

    Also: there is no requirement for a BlackRobe (i.e., one of the government’s apparatchiks on the US supreme Court) to have legal qualifications.

    The claim that legal certification is about ‘quality control’ is just absolute horse-shit.

    It’s just a fucking trades union – “no ticket, no start”. Same as for doctors, accountants, dentists, veterinarians and the other groups who rely on barriers to entry to create artificial protection from competition.

    Lawyers are the most-obviously undeserving of protection, which is why they have a deliberately-confected bunch of theatrical rigmarole at all levels, so that the schlubs think they’re extra-special people.

    Plus – big-firm lawyering is just a pyramid scheme: underlings kick value upwards as part of a 7X game-of-attrition business model… X to the underling (before taxes); X to cover his administrative costs; 5X kicked up to the partnership.

    • Replies: @Thomas
  212. @Anon7

    Anon7, nice reply and why shouldn’t people wonder when the standards are sacrificed to fill quotas.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  213. @Anon7

    Now, though, every time you see a minority or a woman in a particular position, you start to wonder.

    These days I tend to assume that the women used the missionary or cowgirl positions to attain those particular positions.

    • Replies: @Anon7
  214. @Buffalo Joe

    FDIC eliminates its old (1950) rule prohibiting banks from hiring criminals. Disparate Impact.

    Banks and their trade groups had lobbied for the changes. The law can “pose unnecessary and inappropriate obstacles to banks’ ability to employ qualified individuals with criminal records…” the Bank Policy Institute declared.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/shoplifting-is-less-of-a-bar-to-a-bank-job-as-regulator-eases-rules-11595623808

  215. guest says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Chewin’ instead of poppin’, but I think this song qualifies:

  216. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Okay, but here is basically that same string of syllables used to great effect:

    Was (Not Was) walkin’ the dinosaur. Funky the way it should be.

  217. @anon

    I’ve long said it’s a great documentary.

  218. @Anonymous

    I have been practicing law for 20 years and am admitted in several states, federal circuits and DC. I’m unaware of the alleged ease of a particular bar exam determining where one seeks to gain admission, exactly- but I knew of many classmates who opted to sit for NJ or CT while taking the NY bar, in the belief that they would at least be admitted somewhere should they flunk NY. Many states offer reciprocity in bar admission, but typically you need to practice for 5 years, obtain letters of recommendation from partners/judges, etc. and still get through character and fitness review. Some states, like Florida, do not offer reciprocity (and require a JD from an accredited US law School to qualify to sit for the exam – if not, they would be overrun by Latin American lawyers who at best would obtain a one-year LL M in the US and sit for the exam, and significantly eat into the bottom lines of the heavily ethnic bar.)

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  219. @Giancarlo M. Kumquat

    I thought the line in “Love Her Madly”was “wanna meet her daddy”! Of course it’s “wanna be her daddy.”

    The two most obvious examples of American degeneracy are this absolutely cringe-worthy “Daddy” thing, and the notion that it’s normal to prefer pubic areas that resemble pre-teens. A close third is asshole-bleaching (which is apparently a thing).

    It’s “nails down a blackboard” for anyone who is even close to normal.

    Y’all need to get your act the fuck together.

    • Replies: @anon
  220. @anon

    With regard to history, it’s worth knowing.

    In a sense it’s not really dead. It’s still ongoing. I recommend people take a look at old TV shows from the 50s and 60s and notice how many anti-White messages were in them. People think cowboy shows glorified White people and demonized Indians.

    Hardly. Many episodes of Gunsmoke were about some poor ol’ Indian being abused by the mean White bigots. The Rifleman had episodes about mean White bigots mistreating some Asian or Mexican.

    It’s worth knowing the anti-White agenda didn’t start yesterday. And quite often, the descendants of the people who pushed it back then are pushing it today.

    • Agree: Lurker
  221. CPK says:
    @Ganderson

    We should go back to allowing anyone to take the bar exam- law school or no law school. I’m sure that’ll happpen.

    There are a few States that sort of do — they let you take the bar exam after “reading law” (an apprenticeship) rather than getting a JD. Not many people do, and not many succeed, but it’s an option.

    California happens to be one of those states, which may contribute to the racial/ethnic disparity. I wouldn’t be surprised if the non-JD examinees are disproportionately nonwhite.

  222. @Anonymous

    The abolitionist had made their love of their black brothers quite clear.

    And the colonizationists, the only smart faction in the 19th century, had made their disgust of them equally clear. But somebody just didn’t want to let go…

    The two groups were similar and overlapped, but one focused on freeing the black man, the other on freeing the white man of the black man. I’m with the colonizationists.

    By the way, the world capital of abolitionism was lilywhite London. The American branch centered in Quaker Philadelphia. The Puritans were rather late to the game.

    It worked for centuries on multiple continents. Hardly a failure.

    “Diversity is our strength, blah, blah, blah…” Well, I’m not accepting your claim that interracialism worked at anytime, anywhere. It goes against all reason. It’s counterintuitive voodoo.

    At the time the reasons for war were quite clear.

    I don’t think so. People argue whether it was tariffs or slavery. It was neither. It was race.

    The order of secession correlates well enough to the slave/free ratio. But (with the exception of Texas, an independent country only 15 years earlier) secession correlates perfectly with the black/white ratio. At bottom, it was about race. Or, to be exact, race treason. On both parts.

    …is mass killing of your racial Brothers the proper response to a disagreement about economic efficiency?

    The “mass killing” was done by microorganisms, not Yankee rifles, which weren’t that well-aimed. Both sides thought their own would prevail in a matter of months. Which, as we saw again in 1914, is the deadliest attitude of all.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  223. anon[891] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    With regard to history, it’s worth knowing.

    Did you read the trolling I replied to?

    “Knowing” and “endlessly arguing over minutae” are not the same thing.

    Plus most online “history knowers” actually know very little.

    It’s like listening to mid high girls arguing over who said what to whom and whose TikTok vid was mean.

  224. @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, I’m thinking that this might be related to the classic country song, “Six Days On the Road”, but maybe with a slight variation on the line about the uppers. Here is a link to a post about truck driving songs that includes that variant in a mash-up with lyrics from that song.

    https://rubbercityreview.com/2015/08/truck-drivers-boogie-2/

    Now, here is a great live version of “Six Days” from Gram Parsons and The Fallen Angels from 1973, including Emmylou Harris layin’ on the harmonies.

    Maybe the line about the bennies is from another truck driving song, and the author of the first post just substituted it into his mash-up; but as you can’t beat Gram’s version with a stick, I included it anyway. I’ve had a crush on Emmylou for years; I remember Steve recollecting in a comment a while back about seeing her one day when he was hiking in CA, and how he recalled her as being transcendently beautiful, so I guess I am not the only one with a crush on her…

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  225. Anonymous[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t think so. People argue whether it was tariffs or slavery. It was neither. It was race.

    In what sense? The north did not come in and execute blacks. Nor did it ship them out of the country. When they rolled south they were shooting at white people (of course, the south was shooting back).

    So in what sense was it about race on the part of the north? Only in the sense of liberating their black brothers. It’s not like they came to “cleanse“ the Country of blacks. They actually took assets away from whites and gave them to blacks.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  226. @guest

    By gosh, you got it. See my reply to Reg, and read the opening part of the first link I passed on to him. With that one changed word, that line is in there.

  227. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prof. Woland

    You absolutely want to have a teacher who’s values align with yours and how you want your children taught.

    Even better to have a teacher whose spelling norms align with established educated usage in American English. Theirs are the standards children should learn and internalize at an early age, before they succumb to the “soft bigotry of low expectations” built into the union-ridden public “education” system.

    Mental arithmetic (including division) also helps inure the student (somewhat) to the sirene songs of propaganda.

  228. Nachum says:
    @Gaius Gracchus

    I can’t argue with any of that.

  229. Thomas says:
    @Kratoklastes

    The claim that legal certification is about ‘quality control’ is just absolute horse-shit.

    That’s the same flawless logic that holds police should be defunded since crime happens anyway. I wouldn’t deny either that bar admission serves the same function as a guild or that discipline could be a lot tighter. But the degree of shady business and sharp practice that already does exist out there is a shadow of how bad it would be otherwise.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  230. black sea says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Or secure for him a military commission, a la Captain Munnerlyn.

  231. @Hannah Katz

    According to her Wikipedia page she failed the DC bar exam, not NY. It was JFK Jr who famously failed the NY Bar exam twice.

  232. @CPK

    My sense is that Asian-Americans don’t have the same regard for it

    That’s because to succeed in the courtroom you need some intangible qualities that many Asian-Americans just don’t have. Plus Asians are better at black-and-white thinking, while the law contains a lot of gray.

  233. Anon[347] • Disclaimer says:

    On Twitter Steve says:

    The average scores were not given, nor were the passing scores. How did Steve get the 0.82 standard deviations? Integral calculus on Gausian functions. Looking it up in some sort of a table?

    I don’t know, and I was challenged to figure out how you could derive the standard deviation, after reading so many La Griffe du Lion articles where he pulls numbers out of a hat that the test givers thought were fully obfuscated.

    Here’s what I did:

    1. I went to an online normal distribution calculator, which takes mean, SD, and desired region beneath the graph (above or below x or between or outside x and y), and then returns the area beneath the desired section of the bell curve.

    2. I just took 50 percent as the good enough for jazz figure representing passing white students. Since we’re talking about statistical distance (SD) rather than absolute scores of some sort, I just assumed a minimum IQ of 100 and an SD of 15 for the white test passers, obviously not right, but for purposes of SD it doesn’t matter.

    3. To save time I took Steve’s value of about 0.8 and multiplied it by 15 IQ points, to get 12.5, and substracted it from 100 to get a passing black IQ of 87.5.

    4. Entering 87.5 as the mean, 15 as the SD, and “Above 100,” I got an area of about 20 percent over 100 (versus the 50 percent over 100 for whites). I could enter more precise numbers and do iterations on the calculator to try to get Steve’s 0.82, but I was satisfied. (I still wonder how he did it.)

    5. Next I substituted the more likely black SD of 13, and I got an area of below 17 percent, which is almost the same as the 1 standard deviation you’d normally expect.

    One thing I’m not sure about is how relevant these calculations are when the input data is probably more of a left clipped bell curve than a full bell curve.

  234. Anon[347] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ganderson

    We should go back to allowing anyone to take the bar exam- law school or no law school.

    I’m not sure this would make it any easier, although my impression was that the third year of law school was probably unnecessary, so you could change the rules to optionally chuck that and make law school faster and cheaper. Heads down for two years, no law review, no extracurricular stuff like social justice protests, and you could pass the bar after two years and a bar review course.

    First year is learing how law works, how to read an appellate case, hypothetical thinking (something by the way that I think the woke are incapable of), the different types of law and how they differ (civil tort and contract, criminal, regulatory, real estate, etc.), how to go through a lot of dense material fast, how to think on your feet. Second year is digging into difficult stuff like tax law, real estate law, corporate law, antitrust, estates and trusts. In third year a lot of people screw off in easy courses like immigration or copyright law, which aren’t on the bar exam. Family law is the course that nobody bothers to take in law school, but is nevertheless on the bar exam.

    However, an express law curriculum would really expand the bar exam passing gap.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
  235. @CPK

    “My sense is that Asian-Americans don’t have the same regard for it, and steer their smartest kids towards STEM instead.”

    In Asia, especially China*, STEM, not law, has got them where they are. STEM creates real wealth, while law, while necessary and important, doesn’t – at best it can ensure an equitable** distribution (while taking a hefty cut).

    Maybe that’s why they don’t have the same regard for it.

    * my 1984 aircraft book has zero Chinese craft in it, now they have stuff like the J-20 (which looks like a twin-engined Saab Gripen to me but I’m no expert).

    ** weasel word, one man’s equity is another man’s theft

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  236. @Simon d. Trent

    Until quite recently, you got automatically admitted to the WV bar if you graduated WV law.

  237. @Colin Wright

    I coached a first grade soccer team years ago. The mother of one of the boys was a red head radiologist who I thought was a ditz. I remarked to another mother who was married to a doctor that I wouldn’t want to be treated by her, and she said that I wouldn’t have a choice since she worked behind the scenes. I guess you can pick your GP and maybe your surgeon, but not your radiologist, anethesiologist, etc.

  238. @JerseyJeffersonian

    Six Days On The Road has the line “I’m taking little white pills and my eyes are open wide” in the original Dave Dudley version.

    (Doesn’t everyone love EmmyLou?)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  239. California’s isn’t 3rd world shit hole enough already? Are they competing with Mexico to surpass them?
    Could it be the elites deliberately want the dumbing down of the population at large creating a class of “credentialed idiots?”

  240. @Thomas

    “But the degree of shady business and sharp practice that already does exist out there is a shadow of how bad it would be otherwise.”

    That’s called “the freemarket”.
    Requiring credentials for things as mundane as being an auto mechanic, or doing fingernails and cutting hair is “just absolute horse shit.”

  241. duncsbaby says:
    @Lurker

    I still don’t get how “stereotype threat” can be a thing if “fear of acting white” is also a thing? Surely they can’t both be true at once?

    At first when I was reading the proposition, “the fear of . . . ” I thought they were leading up to the “fear of acting white.” Although I wasn’t too surprised they came up with “fear of being stereotyped,” but my gawd, what fatuous bullshit:
    “I didn’t do well on my bar exam mommy because they think black kids are stoopid, and so I felt stoopid. boo-hoo.”

  242. Anon7 says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    It took another decade, into the 1980’s, for this organization to get to the modern standard.

    The CEO insisted on what amounted to quotas for women in supervisory and management positions. He was very progressive. He also had a mistress who had a $150,000 per year sinecure for which she was laughably unqualified (she was quite the fashion maven, and needed the salary). I guess it was just part of his compensation.

    The administrator for the area I worked in also reflexively supported women’s rights and issues. I figured out that he also had a mistress who also had a low six-figure sinecure for which she was not qualified.

    And that’s just how it worked.

  243. Ganderson says:
    @Anon

    Not meaning to be a dick here- but can you teach someone to be “quick on their feet”. It strikes me as the same as teaching someone to be fast- you can help me to become faster, but I’m never going to be Usain Bolt.

    • Replies: @Lawyer Guy
    , @Anon
  244. @YetAnotherAnon

    This is about the best truck-driving chorus:

    Lowell George only made it to age 34.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  245. @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, that’s a really soulful rendition. Linda Ronstadt’s take is also pretty good; she jumped up in the cab, and rode it well.

    Are you familiar with the Trio albums recorded by Dolly Parton, Linda Ronstadt, and Emmylou Harris? Lots of contractual maneuverings to git ‘er done, but oh so worth it to hear those women singing together.

    Gram Parsons only made it to the age of 26 before his abuse of drugs and alcohol took him down. Left a legacy, though, particularly in how he mentored Emmylou, previously mostly a folk singer, to an understanding of the centrality of country to American music. Check out the song, In My Hour of Darkness, from the album, Grievous Angel.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  246. @The Wild Geese Howard

    For several years in his 70s, my father had a Hawaiian female doc has his Medicare Advantage PCP. He really liked her, until she retired in her 50s. I guess Medicare docs can do all right.

  247. @YetAnotherAnon

    my 1984 aircraft book has zero Chinese craft in it, now they have stuff like the J-20

    It’s interesting to go check out the PLAAF’s current inventory of aircraft.

    They have made great strides in modernizing over the past 20 years.

  248. 3g4me says:
    @Ganderson

    @ Ganderson: “We should go back to allowing anyone to take the bar exam – law school or no law school.”

    Irrelevant. Back when I took the Foreign Service exam in the ’80s, anyone could take it – even if they didn’t have a college degree. I learned many of my grad school friends had already tried and failed multiple times. But a few years later, women b%$ched and moaned it was discriminatory (I somehow passed it on my first try without changing my sex) and so they changed the exam to make it easier.

    The test or any set of qualifications is not what is relevant here – it is outcomes. Those depend on ‘g’ which depends on race, which depends on genetics – just like everything else. But Sailer’s commentariat needs something to comment on endlessly, over and over and over again.

  249. @JerseyJeffersonian

    Lowell George of Little Feat died of pizza, cocaine, and heroin at age 34.

    • Replies: @black sea
  250. @VinnyVette

    The union always blabs about how each classroom deserves a credentialed teacher.

    To teach kids, I’d sooner trust an unlicensed cosmetologist than I would a “certified” schoolteacher.

    While I’m on the subject, we normally also hear union blather about how teachers deserve higher pay and ‘smaller class sizes’.

    Presumably, when class sizes are cut to zero teachers can make $200K.

    Lower productivity merits a raise. Union culture at its finest.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @VinnyVette
  251. Rob McX says:
    @James Speaks

    And as for those who got their “training” in the Third World, the best thing to do is run when you see one, even if you’re at death’s door. Sooner take your chances with a backwoods veterinary surgeon who had two years of cow college.

  252. black sea says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “I don’t envision a long life for myself. Like, I think my life will run out before my work does, ya’ know? I’ve designed it that way.” — Townes Van Zandt

  253. @Ganderson

    Not meaning to be a dick here- but can you teach someone to be “quick on their feet”

    The military does a pretty good job with putting guys under stress and in the spotlight in boot/BMT/ROTC camp/OBC

    It isn’t perfect and is not fun but many people do improve with the programs

  254. Anon[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ganderson

    I suppose law school “exposes” people who are quick on their feet rather than training the skill. In a first year Socratic method style class the affirmative action students are revealed very quickly. Which is why the Socratic method is now considered racist (and sexist) — seriously. But the inevitable humiliation that is dumped on a few poor souls in the first weeks does motivate the smarter students to read and prepare, which comes off as being quicker on your feet.

    https://harvardlawreview.org/2017/10/the-socratic-method-in-the-age-of-trauma/

  255. Brutusale says:
    @Calvin Hobbes

    There are outside factors at work that can’t really be quantified.

    When I compare the charts for two schools I know, Boston College and Boston University, I see in the first one that BC LS grads have slightly less debt and slightly higher first-year incomes. In the second chart, I see the BU LS grads have higher LSAT scores, contra Mr. Pittelli’s theory.

    That’s because Boston’s public legal community has for years been dominated by Triple Eagles (grads of Boston College High School, Boston College, and BC Law). They’re a lovely bunch of mostly micks, typified by this scumbag.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bulger

    I can’t imagine that the first-year salaries for minority lawyers isn’t skewed by the same sort of thing. High demand for some literal protective coloration.

  256. Lurker says:
    @Seneca44

    however, the choice of an ER physician or pilot may not be up to the patient or passenger.

    I saw a moronic thread on YouTube where some American guy made a fatuous comment about British Airways pilots being so bad and he wouldn’t ride with any pilot trained in the UK ie not just a British airline but any pilot, presumably of any nationality and working at any airline.

    I was fascinated, I asked him how, exactly, he gained this information prior to boarding and whether he had veto powers over who piloted the plane (one can only begin to wonder about the problems that would cause). Or did he just get himself moved to another flight.

    Strangely, there was no reply. Because obviously he was just another basement dwelling bullshitter.

    I was going to follow up with a question about whether he was so rigorous about pilots trained in Pakistan, Nigeria etc.

  257. @RichardTaylor

    In a sense it’s not really dead. It’s still ongoing. I recommend people take a look at old TV shows from the 50s and 60s and notice how many anti-White messages were in them. People think cowboy shows glorified White people and demonized Indians.

    While this is largely true, it is somewhat beside the point. Cultural/Civilizational confidence is all. When we have it, as we did in the 50’s, this kind of ankle biting is harmless. It may even be mildly beneficial in a “Memento Mori” kind of way. When cultural confidence is lost , all of this is poison, of course. Cultural confidence is not lost over sub rosa messages in Gunmoke episodes. It is lost in larger movements like feminism , Vietnam, mass immigration etc. When you have it, anything is possible. When you lose it, you arrive at our circling the drain moment.

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  258. @Anonymous

    So in what sense was it about race on the part of the north?

    To them, it was about secession, and secession was about race.

    Race determined the outcome. The colored population turned out to be worse than worthless. Sandbags. What were they doing all along?

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  259. @Mr McKenna

    Speaking of lowering of standards… just look at the Top 10 VP timber for the Democrats. This is the woman that everybody knows will be President by next Spring. A complete pack of buffoons. Not one of them Presidential. Not one. (Hillary and Michelle are #’s 9 & 10).

    https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/5883/Who-will-win-the-2020-Democratic-vice-presidential-nomination

    • Replies: @bomag
  260. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    “Daddy” thing seems to be from more than one subculture, including Mexico. The word “papi” has become bery, bery special with the younger chicas.

    If it bothers you, don’t listen to it. Although if a girl is moaning it in your ear that might be difficult to ignore, I admit. However…I doubt that is your problem!

    Y’all need to get your act the fuck together.

    lol

    A doctor in Australia observed some years ago that the shaved / waxed look became normative in his area in a matter of months. Not just young women but mothers in their 40’s. Since part of his practice included gyno work he probably knew something. Anal bleaching is probably a porn-influenced thing but it’s been around for over 20 years based on other rants by other men on other websites.

    It’s “nails down a blackboard” for anyone who is even close to normal.

    Dunno about where you live, mate, but around here a man has to go to some trouble to see ladybits. They don’t just stroll down the street bottomless. So my advice to you is simple: don’t look at stuff that offends you. Of course, that might cut into your recreational video habits, buuuut frankly that’s your problem, not mine. I’m sure there’s porn for you out there if you search.

    But hey, carry on ranting in comboxes, that’s got to be the best way to change an entire culture, dude.

    lol

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  261. @Abolish_public_education

    Agree. My ex wife is a school teacher, high school French and Spanish. Used to tell her to STFU, you make $65,000 a year, Cadillac benefits / retirement, (just tenured) work 185 days a year, no overtime, weekends and every holiday off , only “work” about 4 hours per school day and you think you deserve more money? Then I’d laugh at her!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  262. Alden says:
    @RichardTaylor

    When I first retired I watched Gunsmoke reruns in the afternoon. I soon realized that every episode was about some outsider coming into town and everybody but the Marshall was bigoted against the outsider. At the end everyone accepts the outsider.

    When I was a kid I didn’t like that the only main woman character was a brothel keeper. I thought she should be the owner of a respectable hotel or business or Doc’s or the Mayor’s wife.

    In so many of the shows, the villain was mean to the Indian minority whatever and the hero defended the minority.

    In the thirties and forties there were a lot of jury movies in which the evil DA and police railroaded innocent White men. The righteous jury would acquit him after long discussions of liberal propaganda.

    Then there were the endless prison movies.

    Another prominent story in 1930s 40s movies were happy divorces. This at a time when no one outside of movies got divorced. Propaganda. Propaganda propaganda

    • Agree: travis, RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @Cortes
  263. Alden says:
    @Prof. Woland

    I recommend calverthomeschool.com

    It’s not expensive. About $2,000 a year. Calvert homeschool began about 200 years ago for Protestant clergy married couple missionaries in China Africa etc. later became very popular with ranchers in Australia and western US who didn’t want to send the kids to boarding school. In the old days it sent out cartons with teaching instructions, lesson plans books, and all supplies down to paper pencils and crayons.

    The program was revised in the 1920s. Calvert is an old prestige private school. Right up there with Andover and Exeter.

    California home schoolers can get $5,000 a year if they agree to use the Communist Core Curriculum. It’s very anti White and the math methods are incomprehensible. Ca public schools are sewers of anti White racism.

    Look at calverthomeschool.com

  264. Anonymous[728] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I’m asking in what sense was it about race on the part of the north?

    In terms of their motivation for the war. I think you’re avoiding the question.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  265. Corvinus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “What turned Washington against slavery was his experience that they were total crap for workers.”

    Except they weren’t.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/1/how-slavery-helped-build-a-world-economy/

    https://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/01/11/was-america-built-by-slaves/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  266. Thomas says:
    @VinnyVette

    That’s called “the freemarket”.
    Requiring credentials for things as mundane as being an auto mechanic, or doing fingernails and cutting hair is “just absolute horse shit.”

    WTF? Are you a writer for Reason magazine or something? An auto mechanic who doesn’t know what they’re doing will get someone killed.

    • Agree: notsaying
  267. @Anonymous

    In terms of their motivation for the war. I think you’re avoiding the question.

    They saw secession as rebellion, which the Constitution expressly allows the executive branch to put down, and for which the first president set the precedent. Secession correlated with race more closely than with any other factor.

    It may have been indirect, but race was the underlying cause, and everything else stacked atop.

    But both sides were fighting to create a federation that would be blacker than what they’d have had had they not. So both sides were race traitors, fundamentally.

    They actually took assets away from whites and gave them to blacks.

    Including the blacks themselves!

    Though how anyone could have considered them “assets”…

  268. @RichardTaylor

    It’s worth knowing the anti-White agenda didn’t start yesterday.

    No, it started in 1619, with Virginia’s introduction of affirmative action. White men’s jobs given to those who did nothing to earn them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  269. @Corvinus

    Corvinus: Neo-Confederate.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  270. @guest

    Yep, that was it. I’d read of Wilderness Road in Stereo Review, but never connected them with this song. Two of that magazine’s writers, Joel Vance and Steve Simels, were impressed by “The Authentic British Blues”:

  271. Cortes says:
    @Alden

    Well said.

    I’d add that most films are merely exercises in product placement. Occasionally this is done with a little style (the blatant peddling of a brand of shampoo in “Evolution” is executed beautifully) but mainly the same brands appear in ludicrous plotting and this spoils the film for me. Especially crass are those films which circumvent bans on certain types of advertising – the protagonist or sidekicks constantly toying with cigarettes or reminiscing about taking a girl to the movies (cue clip of Bacall or similar exhaling smoke). The resultant film is just a disguised commercial for tobacco products.

    I’m not singling films out. Much the same occurs in popular fiction. Stripping out product references would make paper books slimmer by a significant amount.

    Perhaps the lawmakers ought to consider an investigation into concentration of media and strict application of anti trust measures?

  272. Anonymous[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    No. Affirmative action didn’t start in 1619. Nor was that an anti-white agenda. You’re just trying to make whites feel like they deserve the genocide that’s going on.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  273. Corvinus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg Caesar –> Eager Nag

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  274. Corvinus says:
    @VinnyVette

    Gee, such a stand up guy, it’s a shame she didn’t stay married to you. (face palm)

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  275. @kaganovitch

    When cultural confidence is lost , all of this is poison, of course. Cultural confidence is not lost over sub rosa messages in Gunmoke episodes. It is lost in larger movements like feminism , Vietnam, mass immigration etc.

    A common belief, but I’d point out some things. Those movements can’t get steam unless a population has been “prepared”, so to speak.

    I don’t mean a conspiracy. Not at all. It’s the fact people shrug off very dangerous notions as harmless that’s the problem. It’s not the big scary movements that come later we need to focus on, it’s the “harmless” messages they allow their children to absorb.

    40 years ago, it was just some mild TV messages about treating gays with respect. Usually in adult programming. Then, by 25 years ago, the same “nice” message was in children’s programming.

    And a few years ago, they truly started cashing in. Trannies are teaching your kids in school.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  276. @Corvinus

    Reg Caesar –> Eager Nag

    Afraid you need to retake remedial anagramming, Corvinus. Perhaps 3rd time will be the charm?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Corvinus
  277. Mr. Anon says:

    Basketball coaches call for an end to the SAT.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/college-coaches-call-removal-satact-test-requirements

    What do you think a University is for anyway? Can’t let anything stand in the way of the basketball program.

  278. @anon

    If it bothers you, don’t listen to it.

    I haven’t ever actually heard it, except indirectly e.g., someone saying “Who’s your Daddy” in a comedic context… but saying it as if it’s a normal – if slightly risqué, and very American – thing to say to someone you’re in the process of fucking.

    As to the paedophiliac (and again, very American) preference for bare genitals… again, this is something that is readily observable without ever watching porn (except to the extent that American sitcoms are mental porn).

    The ‘my boyfriend wants me to shave/wax/depilate my box‘ is now a trope: it’s a frequent thread for anyone who browses Reddit using Brave on a VPN without logging in. (i.e., someone who is vaguely interested in an America-centric version of the cultural zeitgeist, perhaps to pass the time while taking a shit).

    Other things (in a thread written by women about their issues with their partners’ fucked-up male expectations resulting from porn): anal sex; choking; humiliation; men who can’t reach orgasm by ‘the usual method‘. What the actual fuck, male-America?

    These are literally Reddit things that have appeared over the last week and a half, in an otherwise-unprompted, ‘vanilla’, sort-by-upvotes, “front page of the internet”.

    Trust me, I would prefer to only look at r/animalsbeingderps or r/aww (or r/polandball) while taking a shit at 2a.m., but my Brave Browser defaults to reddit’s front-page, and that shit stands out.

    A doctor in Australia observed some years ago that the shaved / waxed look became normative in his area in a matter of months.

    That’s because women are stupid and easily-led, and would rather comply with social pressure from magazines than face the stark reality that they have decided to conform to a paedophiliac tendency in some set of men that they want to impress with their boxes.

    So they also have unutterably low standards (since any man who differentiates between women based on a binary cunt-hair variable… is not worth knowing)

    Frankly, shaved or hairy, they’re simply not that interesting.

    In unwitting defiance of paedophiliac American cultural norms, I have tolerated the same (non-shaven) one for over a quarter-century: the woman of whose anatomy it is a part, is intensely interesting for myriad other reasons independent of the presentation of her external genitals. (Weird, right? And me a typical ‘subvert the dominant paradigm‘ type, too!)

    Any woman who thought that shaving her pubes was a thing worth thinking about, would be instantly uninteresting… because it would show that she was so stupid that her mind spends far too long on her cunt-hair (‘too long‘ is defined as “a period of time longer than zero seconds“).

    • Replies: @anon
  279. @Colin Wright

    Me thinks there is something wrong with you to go out of your way to see a female asian doctor when they are outnumbered by asian male doctors.I wish i could see stats to see how many weird whites there are like you that search o0ut female asian doctors.

  280. Corvinus says:
    @kaganovitch

    “Afraid you need to retake remedial anagramming, Corvinus. Perhaps 3rd time will be the charm?”

    How cute to white knight for Reg. The anagram is spot on. But I could see why, as my sensei in this specific area, there would be a jealousy on your part–the student outplayed the master.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  281. Corvinus says:
    @kaganovitch

    Kaganovitch = Vacant Hack

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  282. @Anonymous

    Affirmative action didn’t start in 1619.

    Then you tell me how the Africans got here on their own power. Wakanda juju? Did they save up to buy tickets, as they do today?

    Nor was that an anti-white agenda.

    And Tyson Foods hiring only Central Americans is not an anti-white agenda. No, not if the whites you mean are management, and bought local officials. Planters were the Tyson of their day.

    You’re just trying to make whites feel like they deserve the genocide that’s going on.

    No, I just believe those who work to diversify America, which you call genocide, were/are just asking to have their food spat into. How don’t they deserve that?

    There are/were plenty of white men able and willing to do the job, given the right conditions and remuneration. Employers who refuse to supply those deserve none of our sympathy, then or now.

    • Troll: RichardTaylor
  283. @Anonymous

    White men didn’t want to work out in the hot sun picking cotton all day. Why should they?

    This is just not true.

    Lots of poor white men in the south most certainly did work out in the hot sun picking cotton all day. And lots of white women and children did, too. And many were bare footed. And they got sun burned while they were out there, hence the expression red neck.

  284. I don’t support lowering bar score standards for lawyers.

    I do support lowering or eliminating standards for college admission. Don’t lower standards on grading in the classes, just lower or eliminate standards for enrolling in classes. If an adult wants to use publicly funded institutions of higher ed, and they are willing to pay for the class, and put in the time, the publicly funded institutions should be obligated to serve them.

  285. @Corvinus

    See, vacant hack is good; you didn’t introduce new letters that don’t appear in the original. Eager nag on the other hand introduces a ‘N’ that doesn’t appear in the original. It’s less valid than Corvinus = vicious orc, which itself is taking liberties by repeating letters. If you apply yourself diligently , a passing grade is not out of the question.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  286. @Corvinus

    How cute to white knight for Reg. The anagram is spot on. But I could see why, as my sensei in this specific area, there would be a jealousy on your part–the student outplayed the master.

    I have to say, my comment was motivated not by eagerness to defend Reg, but rather by eagerness to mock you. You probably get that a lot. You added a letter (N) to get the result you wanted. If you carry this methodology to its logical extreme, Corvinus would be an anagram for Corvinus is an idiot.
    If only Oliver Sacks were still with us he might have written about you “The Grasshopper who Thought he was a Sensei”.

  287. bomag says:
    @Father Coughlin

    Wow. Not a single Black guy. Okay, there’s Cory Booker; he kinda doesn’t count.

  288. Corvinus says:
    @kaganovitch

    “Eager nag on the other hand introduces a ‘N’ that doesn’t appear in the original.”

    Reg is short for Reginald. /facepalm

    “I have to say, my comment was motivated not by eagerness to defend Reg, but rather by eagerness to mock you.”

    Pro tip –> Show more originality.

    “You probably get that a lot.”

    Only from my detractors.

    “If only Oliver Sacks were still with us he might have written about you “The Grasshopper who Thought he was a Sensei”.”

    Caine: Master, if I shall love others, how can I be sure that they in return will love me in return?

    Master Po: Do you seek love or barter?

    Caine: But, if I love others and they do not love me, I shall feel great pain.

    Master Po: That is what you risk, Grasshopper: great pain, or great joy.

  289. anon[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Lol, not only are you easily triggered, you’re really pretty boring as a troll. Pubes and sex talk stoking your indignation of ‘Murica, seriously?

    Well! Did you hear what Mary Sue said to Natasha about Laneesha’s nail color? Did you?

    C’mon, you gotta be good for an empty-head rant about glue-on nails at the very least.

    Don’t disappoint, let’s see that pouty-face tantrum!

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