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From Nature Genetics:

A method for genome-wide genealogy estimation for thousands of samples
Leo Speidel, Marie Forest, Sinan Shi & Simon R. Myers
Nature Genetics

Abstract
Knowledge of genome-wide genealogies for thousands of individuals would simplify most evolutionary analyses for humans and other species, but has remained computationally infeasible. We have developed a method, Relate, scaling to >10,000 sequences while simultaneously estimating branch lengths, mutational ages and variable historical population sizes, as well as allowing for data errors. Application to 1,000 Genomes Project haplotypes produces joint genealogical histories for 26 human populations. Highly diverged lineages are present in all groups, but most frequent in Africa. Outside Africa, these mainly reflect ancient introgression from groups related to Neanderthals and Denisovans, while African signals instead reflect unknown events unique to that continent.

Sub-Saharan Africans have their own equivalent or equivalents of Neanderthals and Denisovans in their evolutionary past: populations from which they acquired some genes that apparently have proven useful because they are still around. But we don’t have fossils yet from these “archaic ghost” populations of Africa, so it’s still pretty hazy.

Our approach allows more powerful inferences of natural selection than has previously been possible. We identify multiple regions under strong positive selection, and multi-allelic traits including hair color, body mass index and blood pressure, showing strong evidence of directional selection, varying among human groups.

 
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  1. Gonna have to confront that period of time where Africa was basically Zombie Apocalypse: The Continent, with hordes eating each other after war.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Anonymous
    , @Gordo
  2. Whew, watched the Dark Crystal : Age of Rebellion, and it’s pretty easy to see some themes if you look for them.

    The Gelflings leader is approached by the Skexis (big beaked fat crows) and given a model of the galaxy that keeps her entertained. Meanwhile the Skexis move in, take over, and demand tribute while sucking resources out of the Crystal of Truth (the titular Dark Crystal).

    The three heroes are a former soldier for the Skexis, the Nordic princess type banished for looking up inconvenient statistics (not even shitting. It’s not “13 do 50” but still hahah) and a mystic living under the rocks.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @El Dato
  3. Little or no caucacity, so they have that going for them, which is nice.

    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
  4. Conditions in much of Africa, particularly west Africa, are not conducive to the preservation of fossils, so there may never be any fossil evidence found of these ancestral populations.

    • Replies: @Gordo
  5. Tiny Duck says:

    I daybreak let all of Africa come to the west

    It is there right of conquest

    By the way your descendants will not look like you

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/02/opinion/nyc-schools.html#click=https://t.co/ygJ7bN87yN

    • Troll: Unladen Swallow
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @El Dato
  6. bomag says:
    @Jack Henson

    “Was”… or “will be”?

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
  7. Anonymous[820] • Disclaimer says:

    But we don’t have fossils yet from these “archaic ghost” populations of Africa, so it’s still pretty hazy.

    People don’t want to discuss them because those creatures were probably more ape than human.

  8. J.Ross says:
    @Jack Henson

    I’ve heard good things about that: the Dark Crystal is so different from other entertainment products that it defies easy folding into SJW garbage, and the staff (which include family members of the creators, some of whom are dead) were totally serious about retaining control and doing it right. The voice acting is stunning.
    Also, the Skekses are not Amelek waiting to be erased from the book of life, they’re a physically separated aspect of the “good guys,” so you can’t just kill them.

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
  9. Probably buried under water somewhere. I don’t care how far off sciencw believes the aquatic ape theory to be – I have not seen a good explanation otherwise as to why our species is so much more water capable than the other apes.

  10. So what does this prove? That after hominids fled overpopulation in Africa, they spread across the globe as far as they could to escape one another. (Hence, after homo sapiens fled Africa, the only other hominids to introgress were two previous fleers, neanderthals and denisovans. Africa had 26 fighting genealogical near-relatives.)

    This proves that overpopulation has always been the bane of hominids, presently meaning homo sapiens. Most saliently, Europeans and certain groups of Asian.

  11. @Uilleam Yr Alban

    Yes indeed, fleeing Africa when there were fewer than a million people there… Surely due to overpopulation.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
  12. This is kinda technical for me. What does “genome-wide genealogy” mean?

  13. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t know if you know, but the base http://www.unz.com/isteve/ URL says “cannot find the page” but the article links work fine.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  14. Meh. These guys should speak in plain English if they want anyone to understand what they are trying to say.

    It sounds like some groups split off genetically, evolved on their own for awhile, and then got reabsorbed. Is this important for anything? It’s hard to tell why.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Dieter Kief
    , @Glt
  15. But we don’t have fossils yet from these “archaic ghost” populations of Africa, so it’s still pretty hazy.

    That brings to mind those LA cops joking about “gorillas in the mist”.

  16. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    OT
    https://theweek.com/articles/861750/coming-death-just-about-every-rock-legend?

    But there’s another sense in which rock is very nearly dead: Just about every rock legend you can think of is going to die within the next decade or so.

    …..

    Behold the killing fields that lie before us: Bob Dylan (78 years old); Paul McCartney (77); Paul Simon (77) and Art Garfunkel (77); Carole King (77); Brian Wilson (77); Mick Jagger (76) and Keith Richards (75); Joni Mitchell (75); Jimmy Page (75) and Robert Plant (71); Ray Davies (75); Roger Daltrey (75) and Pete Townshend (74); Roger Waters (75) and David Gilmour (73); Rod Stewart (74); Eric Clapton (74); Debbie Harry (74); Neil Young (73); Van Morrison (73); Bryan Ferry (73); Elton John (72); Don Henley (72); James Taylor (71); Jackson Browne (70); Billy Joel (70); and Bruce Springsteen (69, but turning 70 next month).

  17. Altai says:

    OT: One of Epstein’s associates who ran a modelling agency is accused of procuring girls for him, has vanished.

    https://nypost.com/2019/09/02/jeffrey-epsteins-model-scouting-pal-has-disappeared-without-a-trace/

    Given Wexner’s recent actions at Victoria’s Secret taken just after Epstein’s arrest (Cancelling their show this year and appointing the first transgender model) could Wexner, Victoria’s Secret or firms associated with them be on the hook for sex trafficking?

  18. ‘…Outside Africa, these mainly reflect ancient introgression from groups related to Neanderthals and Denisovans, while African signals instead reflect unknown events unique to that continent…’

    That is to say, sub-saharan Africans are distinct from the rest of humanity.

    This corresponds with my experience.

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  19. So, yes, sub-Saharan Africans really are different from the rest of us. Who knew?

  20. Lagertha says:

    Well, the once-receded steppes of Siberia were also, also, also, so effin’ redceded..or whatever.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  21. While we’re doing OTs, could this finally be a real one?

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-university-of-illinois-noose-20190903-otb7gdnw3bdrrobsvnetjnbscm-story.html

    U. of I. student charged with hate crime after noose found hanging in Urbana dorm elevator

    A 19-year-old student at the University of Illinois has been charged with a felony hate crime after a noose was found hanging in an elevator at a residence hall on the Urbana-Champaign campus.

    Andrew M. Smith, of downstate Normal, was arrested about 9:30 p.m. Monday after police questioned him. He was charged with committing a hate crime, which is a felony, and a misdemeanor count of disorderly conduct.

    During an arraignment Tuesday afternoon, Champaign County Assistant State’s Attorney Kristin Alferink said Smith found some rope in an elevator in Allen Hall over the weekend and tied it into a noose. Other students reported finding the noose early Sunday.

  22. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Henson

    Gonna have to confront that period of time where Africa was basically Zombie Apocalypse: The Continent, with hordes eating each other after war.

    What makes you think that happened?

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
  23. @anon

    Which browser are you using?

  24. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    (Hence, after homo sapiens fled Africa, the only other hominids to introgress were two previous fleers, neanderthals and denisovans. Africa had 26 fighting genealogical near-relatives.)

    Did Neanderthals and Denisovans return to Africa?

  25. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    It sounds like some groups split off genetically, evolved on their own for awhile, and then got reabsorbed. Is this important for anything? It’s hard to tell why.

    So ask Steve.

  26. BenKenobi says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    found some rope in an elevator

    sounds like entrapment to me!

  27. @Anonymous

    Frankly it’s amazing how many of those old codgers are still alive and kicking–and many of them still performing! Shows what happens when you can afford good medical care.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  28. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Just tying a noose is a hate crime now? No particular target necessary?

    Holy cow, i just became a hate criminal, right here in my own living room!

  29. Anonymous[921] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I noticed the same thing earlier today (on Google Chrome)–seems to work now, though.

  30. @AnotherDad

    Just tying a noose is a hate crime now? No particular target necessary?

    If you read the full article, there’s nothing that contradicts that implication.

    • Replies: @Charon
  31. @Steve Sailer

    Works fine with Firefox, Chrome, and Opera on Linux and Windows. Seems to be server related anyway, likely a temporary glitch, Ron is known to fiddle with the live system for no good reason… 🙄

  32. Anonymous[324] • Disclaimer says:

    Increasingly, the so-called ‘strong out of Africa’ hypothesis – which was the anthropological orthodoxy these past three decades – which posits a ‘single’ African origin of *all*extant humans no more than 50,000 years ago, is untenable.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @Anonymous
  33. @Hypnotoad666

    Is this important for anything? It’s hard to tell why.

    The diversity within the Sub-Saharan gene pool comes to mind. More reasons for that.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  34. But we don’t have fossils yet from these “archaic ghost” populations of Africa, so it’s still pretty hazy.

    That’s because the “missing” tribes are living in a Wakandan Sky-City. Being woke, they dispose of their dead in an ecologically sound way.

  35. @Oddsbodkins

    There’s something to be said about this “fleeing” aspect. The people that left Africa might not have left because they were smart enough to get out while the getting was good, but rather because they were physically weaker than those that stayed. Let’s look at the first ones to leave, such as the dark-skinned Abos and Negritos of Oceania. They are physically much smaller than the Bantus in Africa. An even better example is the East Asians, who originated mostly from the cold Altai region near Siberia. Not a place where humans would have willingly chosen to live unless they were fleeing from something, or someone (like for instance, physically larger people from Persia and the Caucasus region).

  36. bomag says:
    @AnotherDad

    Yes; under our new religion, the sacred objects must not be misused.

  37. Anon[577] • Disclaimer says:

    This is kinda technical for me.

    Me too.

    What does “genome-wide genealogy” mean?

    I’m going to guess that it means that they want to scan and record the data for all the genes in the subject’s genome, or all the “active” genes. In practice most studies, and 23&Me type companies, use technology that matches DNA to a sort of greatest-hits of genes known to be of possible importance. There are commercial “slides” that are like silicon chips with gene sequences encoded on them and the DNA is washed over them and where there is a match it locks into the space, causing a tiny flash of light that is picked up by a sensor to say that that particular gene is present. This is my loose description of the last year of reading a lot of popular genetics books.

    (As I understand it, the whole Elizabeth Holmes/Theranos fake blood test stuff was basically her thinking the same technique would work for blood tests, but it apparently it didn’t pan out.)

    So a genome-wide test may attempt to go beyond the greatest hits. The vast, vast bulk of genes are not thought to be of any importance, just meaningless repetitions (although this is under active investigation). So the next step up would be to test for all the genes thought to be active. Presumably you’d need giant slides or larger DNA samples or some new trick.

    By getting more data per person, the math guys can go to work and try to find more patterns. This could lead them to be able to more closely identify close relatives and build a more granular family tree, and organize populations into ever smaller groups.

    The above is probably completely wrong: I’m just trying to provoke someone who knows more than me to respond!

  38. I haven’t followed this closely, but, as far as I remember, early non-sapiens humans mixed with homo sapiens in East Africa- but not West, nor South. Perhaps after our ancestors moved ca. 80,000 years ago. I may be wrong ….

  39. @AnotherDad

    Holy cow, i just became a hate criminal, right here in my own living room!

    Looks like you just redflagged yourself.

    Seriously, though, is it really such a stretch to believe that hanging it in the elevator amounts to an attempt to intimidate?

    Maybe the dumbass thought it was no more than a joke (riotously funny, I’m sure) and had no actual intention of trying to intimidate anyone, but you’d have to be pretty thick to believe that, if caught, there wouldn’t be any consequences.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  40. Charon says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I tied a square knot the other day.
    I feel so dirty.

  41. Thirdtwin says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    “Little or no caucacity, so they have that going for them.”

    They’ve got afrocity in spades, though.

  42. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Will our descendants have the writing skills of a deranged imbecile?

  43. @Mr McKenna

    That is part of it.

    There are two other parts:

    First, many of these guys did their partying in relative moderation back in the old days. Paul McCartney dropped acid a few times. John Lennon and George Harrison were tripping together almost every day.

    Second, almost all of these guys have been leading very healthy lifestyles for the past few decades.

    Then there are a handful of true genetic freaks who can survive levels of partying that would kill normal people. Ozzy is known to be in this group. Not known if Keith Richards is a genetic freak or not.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  44. @Anonymous

    I thought the theory was that all non-African humans were from a single source, while Africans within Africa were more varied. Thus more genetic diversity within Africa than the rest of the world combined.

    I found it rather nauseating when, a few decades ago, the proponents of the strong Out-of-Africa theory accused proponents of an alternative theory of racism. But rivalries in the sciences can get truly nasty. Many years ago two scientists, I’ll just call them John Doe and Joe Blow, were bitter rivals. At one point John Doe got t-shirts for all his graduate students saying “Joe Blow is unethical “ and made the students wear the t-shirts in the lab. I am not making this up.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Jack Henson
  45. El Dato says:
    @Jack Henson

    I was alive when that was in the movie theatre.

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Twodees Partain
  46. El Dato says:
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    More like “happy to check out what’s that thing on the horizon. I have a nice sharp silex knife … let’s go, Emma, take the kids.”

  47. El Dato says:
    @Tiny Duck

    “Worshipping the Portal to the West”

    By the way your descendants will not look like you

    I surely hope they will look like a H.R. Giger Alien.

  48. TK421 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’ve gotten the same error occasionally, using Apple devices (iPad & iPhone) with their browser in private mode.

  49. BenKenobi says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Keith Richards sleeps upside down, so he’s immune to conventional weapons.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  50. Gordo says:
    @Jack Henson

    Gonna have to confront that period of time where Africa was basically Zombie Apocalypse: The Continent, with hordes eating each other after war.

    That was happening in the Congo within living memory.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  51. Gordo says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Conditions in much of Africa, particularly west Africa, are not conducive to the preservation of fossils, so there may never be any fossil evidence found of these ancestral populations.

    True, not many frozen caves in Africa.

    The ‘fossils’ will be found in the DNA of the living.

  52. @J.Ross

    I’m only 3 episodes into this but iirc the two Gelflings in the original were the last of their kind, where here they’re described in the voice over as the true creatures of Thra and there are multitudes of them, with the Skexis explicitly made out to have come from another world.

    Maybe we will see an unreliable narrator there idk.

    The Skexis here are portrayed as the benevolent keepers of the truth crystal, with the full support of the Gelfling nobility. So when one of their soldiers finds out the truth, they try to hunt him down and tell everyone he’s crazy and infected with a mind virus.

    You have to remind yourself that this is all puppetry, because it’s just that smooth and amazing how they pulled it off. I don’t think the creators were going for explicitly AR themes but nowadays where the Voltron reboot made one of the leads homo literally outta nowhere, its refreshing.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  53. @bomag

    “Ain’t nothing changed but the year”.

  54. @Anonymous

    You’ll have to do some deep dives into the kind of anthropological research that doesn’t get you tenure but from all appearances there was a time where the continent was Bantus and the other big tribes in the interior eating everyone.

    • Replies: @Cowboy shaw
    , @Anon
  55. Anonymous[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Increasingly, the so-called ‘strong out of Africa’ hypothesis

    Firstly, it should be called

    Out of North Africa

    to make a distinction between the North Africans who left and lower Africans who remained.

    Jared Diamond refers to these North Africans as ‘whites’ even though they were dark-skinned because they’d considerably evolved away from ‘black’ Sub-Saharan Africans.

  56. utu says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    “Academic Politics Are So Vicious Because the Stakes Are So Small” – Kissinger

  57. Old Prude says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    A piece of rope with a knot is a felony? Good god… Beyond insanity.

  58. @Dieter Kief

    So does that means the introgression of archaic African “Ghost Ancestors” occurred only after the “out of Africa event”?

  59. Old Prude says:
    @AnotherDad

    I bet the heat would be called even if it was a crappy slip-knot. When I’m old enough not to give a fig I think I’ll amuse myself leaving nooses and bowlines and watermelons around town til SWAT takes me out.

    • LOL: BB753
  60. @Paleo Liberal

    OOA was “because of X you have to accept infinity Africans” 1.0.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  61. fish says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Andrew M. Smith, of downstate Normal……

    A glance at Mr. Smiths photo makes a mockery of his hometown name!

  62. J.Ross says:
    @Jack Henson

    The trap that the Controllers set up for themselves is that anything not personally scripted by them ends up looking like The Enemy. Paranoia becomes megalomania. Dave Chappelle’s comeback special has become the latest demonstrator of the “critics hate it, audiences love it” thing with Rotten Tomatoes.

  63. J.Ross says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    We giggled at the exposure of these hoaxes instead of prosecuting.

  64. @Jack Henson

    It’s incredible and terrifying to think what it must have been like to live somewhere near modern southern Congo in about 500AD.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  65. @Jack Henson

    That depends.

    The vast majority of scientists are in science for the sake of science. Many don’t even consider the political ramifications of their work. Some are quite shocked when others either use their work for political purposes, or deny their work based entirely on political purposes.

    The alternate theory at the time, which was generally discredited and sometimes called racist, was that
    (a) the first humans were from Africa.
    (b) the first Homo Sapiens were probably in Africa
    (c) the evolution of the Homo Sapiens species took place both inside and outside of Africa. According to this theory, much of the evolution of humans took place in the Middle East and western Asia, with people migrating back and forth.

    I think one of the big things in favor of the alternate theory was some indications that the Australian and Tasmanian peoples had left Africa long before the supposed first migration of a fully evolved Homo Sapiens out of Africa. Of course, full blooded Tasmanians are extinct. The hypothesis is that the full blooded Tasmanian people were completely isolated from the rest of the planet, while the Australian Aborigines had had some contact with the outside world.

    That hypothesis can never be completely established, for sad but obvious reasons.

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
  66. @BenKenobi

    You are assuming he actually sleeps.

    https://www.gigwise.com/news/78048/

    He claims that one of the few times he fell asleep, he wrote “Satisfaction” while sleeping.

  67. @Anonymous

    Surely composed by a baby boomer lacking self-awareness (but I repeat myself), this list is vanishingly narrow (and narrow-minded); it excludes many legendary rockers who are relatively young by modern standards of life expectancy:

    Axl Rose: 57
    Eddie Van Halen: 64
    Steve Vai: 59
    Joe Satriani: 63
    Eric Johnson: 65
    Yngwie Malmsteen: 56
    Kenny Aronoff: 66
    John Mellencamp: 67
    Steve Lukather: 61
    Neil Schon: 65
    Paul Hewson: 59
    Phil Collins: 68
    Nuno Bettencourt: 52
    Jon Bon Jovi: 57
    Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, & Neil Peart: 66
    Simon Phillips: 62
    Kirk Hammett: 56
    Lars Ulrich: 55
    Saul Hudson: 54
    James Hetfield: 56
    Trevor Rabin: 65

    These guys (and many more) are in their fifties and sixties, sure – not spring chickens – but, almost by definition, one cannot be both a whippersnapper and a legend….

    What the composer of the list really means is “my favourite legendary rockers….” Because “me, my, mine” always with the boomer.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  68. Glt says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    If you’re looking for direct importance to a political question or something, I think the answer is no. But a bunch of people here are just interested in humanity. Blog’s tagline is Human Biodiversity.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  69. Romanian says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    I am surprised I have not seen any article yet denouncing neckties.

  70. Anon[727] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Henson

    I have seen at least one historical account from the 1800s in which the natives of New Guinea were making a journey with a white man, and the white was astonished when the natives killed and ate the one woman among their party. Apparently, eating your women was the thing to do when you were short of food in New Guinea.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  71. @silviosilver

    Seriously, though, is it really such a stretch to believe that hanging it in the elevator amounts to an attempt to intimidate?

    Maybe the dumbass thought it was no more than a joke (riotously funny, I’m sure) and had no actual intention of trying to intimidate anyone, but you’d have to be pretty thick to believe that, if caught, there wouldn’t be any consequences.

    If you single out the one black guy in your dorm corridor and hang a noose on his door frame–ok, maybe he can take that as “intimidation”. (Or it could just be personal ill will or just general assholery.)

    But just hanging a noose up somewhere?

    The problem is you’re taking something inherently harmless–a knot–and making it a fetish object.

    The essential harmlessness coupled with the hysterical reactions are, of course, going to provoke people–especially young men–mess with it. Normal people won’t do something actually harmful just to get a reaction. But if you create all sorts of completely bogus taboos, amped up by feminine hysteria, then kids–and even some adults–are going to take all sorts of glee in being “transgressive”.

  72. @Anonymous

    But there’s another sense in which rock is very nearly dead: Just about every rock legend you can think of is going to die within the next decade or so.

    Actually agree with Autochtthon on being composed by a baby boomer wrapped in their generational bubble. All these folks dead … who cares.

    ~~

    But my main thought is the key bailout phrase here is “or so”.

    A few of these people no doubt will be dead in a decade But the average life expectancy in the US of someone who has made it to 75 is … 86-87.

    Look at the recent US presidents and candidates.

    Nixon — 81
    McGovern — 90
    Ford — 93
    Carter — dead this spring at 94 and half.
    Reagan — 93
    Mondale — still alive and kicking at 91
    Bush — dead last year at 94
    Dukakis — still alive and kicking at 85
    Dole — still alive and kicking at 96
    McCain — dead last year at 81

    You don’t get the feeling people are all dropping dead at 80. And these guys are at least a generation before the boomers.

    Now, of course, a bunch of the rockers on his list have hit the drugs pretty hard which no doubt took it’s toll. Some won’t make it. But a bunch of these folks will “rock” on into their late 80s and even 90s. It will take two decades to kill off most of ’em. And even in two decades some of these people will be around.

    We boomers aren’t going down easy. The following generations may want encourage all the immigrant nursing home aides to “speed things up” with old whitey. But they should think about this carefully.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  73. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Carter — dead this spring at 94 and half.

    Huh? Carter is alive and kicking. This spring he became the oldest LIVING president at 94.5, having passed Bush who died at that age. Every day that he lives he breaks the record some more. In a month he will be 95.

    I get the feeling that nowadays (with many exceptions) non-smoking middle class or above white guys with good medical care often make it to 90 (but rarely to 100). Cancer or heart disease will kill some (many) off earlier than that but McCain almost seemed young in modern terms.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  74. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    Doesn’t seem to be the right thing to do from the evolutionary POV. You need women in order to have future generations. You could kill and eat all the guys except 1 and the tribe would still be able to continue.

  75. @Cowboy shaw

    It’s incredible and terrifying to think what it must have been like to live somewhere near modern southern Congo in about 500AD.

    One needn’t stretch the imagination back to 500AD when 1871 or even 2010 will do nicely. Recall that Stanley only found Livingstone amid the cannibals a bit more than a century ago. And in 2010 a pair of intrepid anti-racists decided to drive across the Congo in a Toyota (there are no roads that cross the Congo) and wrote about their adventures including legitimate reports and fears of cannibals in the jungles.

    https://www.history.com/news/when-stanley-met-livingstone

    https://expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/democratic-republic-of-congo-lubumbashi-to-kinshasa.50799/

    What’s truly incredible and terrifying is that we have capriciously plucked Stone Age man from his Neolithic developmental stage and plunked him down amid the Space Age expecting no social problems. And after a couple hundred years of exposure and experience, we still not only fail to have a realistic plan to resolve this Stone Age/Space Age dichotomy, the mere discussion of the subject will at minimum result in social ostracism if not permanent loss of employment or imprisonment.

  76. @Uilleam Yr Alban

    I know it probably wasn’t your intention, but you just pointed out some of the absurdity in the whole “out of Africa” myth. Sorry to be the one to tell you.

  77. @International Jew

    I think it means something like, “Look, Ma, how nice I’m writing over here.”

  78. BB753 says:
    @El Dato

    But were you awake? What a snore fest of a film!

  79. @El Dato

    “I was alive when that was in the movie theatre.”

    And then what, you died? I didn’t even know you’d been sick.

  80. @Autochthon

    You write about Boomers as though members of that generation have repeatedly beaten your ass. Get used to it.

  81. @Glt

    What’s your take on it’s importance for humanity then?

  82. Grab it while you can, this from an article in Military Times about how fat is the U.S. Navy these days:

    https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.qKiAENXjfuxpo0aR9cDelAHaE2&w=260&h=169&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7

    Amazed this one got by.

  83. The Z Blog says: • Website
    @International Jew

    Well, the lack of replies says something.

    The phrase “genome-wide” gets used and abused quite a bit, but in the area of comparative demographics, it means comparing spots on the genome common to groups of people. The entire genome is scanned and the markers common to all people in the group are documented. For example, you have a group of modern people that have a set of markers in common. This is People X. Then we take another group of people with a different set of common markers. This group is People Y.

    The reason for these two groups is they don’t share the same set of common markers. People X have a set that is distinct from Group Y. They have lots of things in common. In fact, they have most everything in common. What distinguishes them is this small set of differences.

    Now, we have a group of extinct people we will call People Z that have a group of common markers, some of which are present in the common set of People X. However, People Z do not share the common markers of People Y. Other facts from anthropology suggesting interaction of People Z with People X leads researcher to conclude the common markers in People X came from People Z.

    With that in mind, it means People Y have an unknown ancestor that gave them the unique markers they possess. It’s not a certainty, but it is a good starting point for research into the ghost population.

    I hope that helps.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  84. @Jack D

    Good point–i shouldn’t have killed off Jimmy Carter. I’d thought he was still alive, but I–stupidly–searched for “death date” and so got one, but i believe they just gave me the date he passed Bush for oldest living president, sometime in March.

    I get the feeling that nowadays (with many exceptions) non-smoking middle class or above white guys with good medical care often make it to 90 (but rarely to 100). Cancer or heart disease will kill some (many) off earlier than that but McCain almost seemed young in modern terms.

    This is what i see in my family. It’s a roll of the dice, but modern life–clean environments, modern medical care, non-dangerous jobs, lack (limited to flu) epidemics–a lot of old people can dodder on along pretty well.

    My dad’s in his 90s. In his retirement community–drawing mostly UMC and professional people–there are lots of people his age (though, of course, more women than men). He’s outlived his brother–who picked up smoking during the War, while my dad did not (and also had more typically Irish drinking habits)–by a full decade and his parents by even more.

    We now breathe the cleanest air humans have breathed since we invented fire. Many people–like my parents–work white collar jobs without a lot of dust and dirt or injuries/damage. People have lots of nutritious food. We’ve tamed most infectious diseases that tend to just kill you. And the docs can fix or ameliorate a lot of conditions–e.g. a blocked gall bladder, cancer, a knee you can’t walk on. And we have lots of health knowledge available.

    If you don’t smoke or abuse drugs. If you make some effort to eat responsibily and get a little exercise, then–always a genetic roll of the dice–something has to up and kill you or most folks will amble on into their late 80s to mid-90s before it all just breaks down. (Not falling down is very important too. Get bed-ridden in old age and you degrade quickly.) Making it to 100 though seems to require a much better than average set of genes.

  85. @Paleo Liberal

    Robert Howard is going to turn out to have been the closest to getting it right.

  86. @The Z Blog

    Thanks. Sounds like cluster analysis.

  87. Lagertha says:
    @Lagertha

    FB & TB & G….you have absolutely nothing to offer towards unemployed machinists in the NW – what the f?????b –

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