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From the New York Times news section:

Inside the Buttigieg Campaign as Staff Members of Color Sought to Be Heard

As the candidate courted nonwhite voters, employees of color were voicing their frustrations, according to interviews, documents and a recording. The campaign said it worked to foster a progressive workplace.

By Reid J. Epstein
Jan. 28, 2020, 5:00 a.m. ET

In early December, more than 100 members of Pete Buttigieg’s presidential campaign staff gathered at the South Bend City Church a mile from headquarters for a mandatory half-day retreat about diversity and inclusion. Less than two months remained before the start of voting, a time when most campaigns are focused full-time on politics.

Buttigieg advisers say the retreat was part of an ongoing effort to foster a progressive culture that empowered employees of color. For some of these staff members, however, the workplace itself was a problem, and working for a candidate with so little support from black and Hispanic voters had become demoralizing.

In interviews, current and former staff members of color said they believed that senior Buttigieg officials didn’t listen to their concerns and ideas about the campaign. One said there was a daily “emotional weight” on people of color who felt they were employed in order to help the campaign meet its ambitious diversity targets. Some Hispanic employees felt disrespected when managers asked them to translate text, even if they didn’t speak Spanish.

A follow-up meeting nearly two weeks after the retreat — organized by staff members — became emotional, according to two people who attended. Some employees of color spoke about feeling disrespected by white colleagues. Others said they felt stressed from having to answer questions from friends and family members about working for a candidate struggling with minority voters, the two people said.

A second meeting, on Jan. 2, featured lengthy discussions of the importance of diversity in hiring and sometimes tearful descriptions of the difficulty of recruiting people of color to the staff, according to a recording of the session that was provided to The New York Times. …

From the beginning, Mr. Buttigieg’s inner circle of top advisers, most of whom are white, went to great lengths to hire a diverse staff, and they say they reached their target number: forty percent people of color, a high proportion that is usually a plus for campaign outreach to voters of color. Chris Meagher, a spokesman, said the campaign had made an effort to hire people of color in leadership positions, including Brandon Neal, a senior adviser.

The campaign held an initial staff retreat that included a session on diversity in May, then held the December retreat in South Bend and scheduled local retreats in December and January for workers in Iowa, Nevada and South Carolina, Mr. Meagher said. …

Yet as Mr. Buttigieg rose in the polls through last year, his struggle to win over black voters became the biggest threat to his chances, and pained many minority staff members.

Okay, but the People of Color staffers are getting paid to help win over the People of Color voters, so maybe rather than complain about how they aren’t accomplishing what they were hired to do, they should apologize for their failures and then work harder.

Here’s a word never mentioned in this article: “gay.” One big reason Buttigieg isn’t winning over black voters is because he’s gay. But this is going to be like after the 2008 referendum in California when tons of black church ladies turned out to vote for the nice Mr. Obama and stayed to vote against gay marriage. That was so embarrassing to the Coalition of the Fringes that the NYT had to blame the California results on how Mormons control the media in California (what I call the Protocols of the Elders of Zion National Park).

At one point, Mr. Schmuhl, tears in his eyes, told staff members that he understood people of color on the campaign were “hurting,” according to three people who were present. …

On Jan. 1, the campaign’s national engagement coordinator, Raven Hollins, circulated a survey soliciting examples of microaggressions in the workplace, asking that only people of color complete it.

The first question asked whether employees of color had experienced any of six microaggressions from a white colleague, a list that included being interrupted and being “called the name of a different staff member of color.” Ms. Hollins declined to comment.

But for some reason the survey didn’t ask if any white person had touched your hair, which is a mesoaggression in itself.

Also during the Jan. 2 meeting, Buttigieg aides responsible for meeting the campaign’s diversity goals spoke in emotional terms about the difficulty of hiring minority candidates, the recording shows.

Alexis Gonzaludo, a member of the campaign’s fund-raising department, told colleagues that “my stomach is in knots” as she talked about the difficulty of attracting diverse candidates. She said she had become dismayed when she looked in the campaign’s hiring database and “it’s just like, a bunch of white dudes.”

“It’s been a shock, but not a surprise — really hard to find diverse candidates,” Ms. Gonzaludo said. “I feel a lot of pressure to, like, just hire someone.”

This is the future of the American workplace: endless meetings in which Persons of Color get incoherently emotional.

You can see why tech companies are letting Indians take over their firms: diversity is not working, so creeping racial monopolization by somebody who feels zero white guilt at least might get some work done.

 
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  1. eah says:

    OT

    FYI

    • Agree: kikz, Ash Williams
  2. countenance says: • Website

    Buttigieg’s candidacy isn’t serious. He’s a gay guy hustling from the purses of other gay guys, and hustling what he knew all along would be media sympathy from the many gay journalists. His end game is to parlay it all into a cable gig after the campaign.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
  3. Anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:

    To coin a phrase:

    “Couldn’t happen to nicer people”. ; )

  4. Bugg says:

    The upcoming Sanders/Buttplugs Dem ticket is going to be so much fun!

  5. Carol says:

    I worked for a tech company owned by an Asian couple. And right, they didn’t give a crap about anything but what would make them money.

    I feel rather fortunate to have escaped all this workplace nonsense before retiring.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  6. Anonymous[342] • Disclaimer says:

    “The Future of the American Wokeplace”.

    More like.

  7. Butt-man’s campaign is beginning to crash and burn–now we know part of the reason why (staffing!).

    • Replies: @Forbes
  8. On topic!

    Another sharp, well-dressed, intelligent Millennial bitches about their student loans and high cost of living:

    Your Parents’ Financial Advice Is (Kind Of) Wrong

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/your-parents-financial-advice-is-kind-of-wrong-11568367000

    Yeah, I wouldn’t trust Miss Lizzie to litigate in favor of a 3rd grader’s lemonade stand…

    Future of America folks, right here!

    • Replies: @Kronos
  9. 691 says:

    Why are these people even working on his campaign? Are they pure mercenaries? Were they not good enough to work for Biden and had to settle for Buttigieg?

    I suspect Buttigieg, if elected, might lose control over his own administration. He seems so vacuous and desperate to win that he will give away prime jobs to diversity candidates, who will have no loyalty to a white guy and undermine his authority. Maybe he will be forced to choose a black VP, who in turn will orchestrate a coup when President Pete microagresses his majority black and non-binary staff.

  10. Bud Lite says:

    “Buttigieg’s inner circle of top advisers, most of whom are white, went to great lengths to hire a diverse staff, and they say they reached their target number: forty percent people of color.”

    His campaign is struggling, in part, because only 60% of the staff was hired based on merit and actually knows what they’re doing.

    I’ve seen the same thing in law firms.The cost of carrying deadwood in the name of diversity is high, and that’s before the EEOC complaints and lawsuits.

    • Agree: jim jones
  11. Arclight says:

    Nailed it. The next thing that might get noticed (my guess) is that smaller privately-held businesses tend not to be very diverse because the owners know they are courting this kind of disruption at a minimum and very likely a lawsuit if they have to fire a POC. I’ve been through that once and despite the absurdity of the terminated employee’s claim, the local EEOC office encouraged her to sue. Her bottom-feeding lawyer was doubtless sad when we refused to settle and won a summary judgment for dismissal, but not until after dozens of billable hours had gone by.

    I am guessing Elizabeth Warren’s policy staff has some vague ideas about how to bring the hammer down on private business if she is elected…however, I think she is unlikely to survive the primary. The party’s funders don’t want to watch the value of their stock holdings get crushed by a Warren or Sanders administration.

    • Replies: @Lugash
  12. Mr. Anon says:

    I wonder if the campaign organization described is just a Potemkin organization, and that Buttgeek has an alternate, parallel campaign organization almost entirely staffed by white people charged with the job of actually trying to win.

    Meanwhile, Boss Bloomberg is buying his way up in the polls.

  13. Sean says:
    @Steve Sailer

    He got into a racism row in South Bend when he sacked his black police chief for wiretapping subordinates for evidence of racism. Tech billionaires like him and that is conceivably enough to get him into the White House; from where if he were President, he’d let them do what they liked. It would be the greatest male chauvinist piggery ever though. Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar said that a woman with Buttigieg’s lack of experience could never have been a serious presidential candidate. There is a wish for a female to beat Trump, belief that a woman cannot beat Trump, and the perception that gay men are sort of female.

    When a minion of Thomas Jefferson said of President John Adams that he had “the prattle of that strange compound of ignorance and ferocity, of deceit and weakness; without regard to that hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman” it was not taken as a point in Adams’s favour. Pete Buttigieg’s personality is something that the American people should carefully ponder, because apart from being gay, he has little else to recommend him.

  14. Barnard says:
    @691

    My thought was why his campaign needed over 100 employees. What do all these people do for the campaign? Didn’t Trump’s win expose all these grifters who move from one campaign to the next completely indifferent to whether or not their chosen candidate wins as long the checks clear?

  15. @Steve Sailer

    I would like to recommend to you Wokesman or Wokesperson, e.g. Colin Kaepernick

  16. ChrisZ says:
    @countenance

    That sounds right. He could take over the “Ellen” show without missing a step, or having to change the wardrobe stock.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  17. What exactly is an “empowered” campaign worker?
    “Da’Quon?”
    “Yes, Mayor Pete?”
    “Run off a thousand of this position paper — and hey, my good man, pick any typeface and margin width you like.”

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  18. Oh the humanity!

    And (((they))) really want us to believe these pearl-clutching wilting flowers are capable of standing up to Xi and Putin?

    LMFAO

    • Replies: @anonymous
  19. @Bud Lite

    I’ve seen the same thing in law firms.The cost of carrying deadwood in the name of diversity is high, and that’s before the EEOC complaints and lawsuits.

    This has been happening in defense as well.

    It’s worse now because the deadwood are getting promoted to positions of titular authority, like Principal Engineer, Manager, Senior Manager, even Director.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    , @anonymous
  20. Altai says:

    Every workplace will have a full-time employee who just makes official TikToks.

    https://www.tiktok.com/@washingtonpost

  21. Anon[340] • Disclaimer says:

    After just finishing The Bell Curve (and starting Human Diversity a few hours ago) I wonder if the difficulty in recruiting black et al. campaign workers doesn’t just come down to IQ? For a combination of reasons there’s probably a range within which campaign workers tend to fall, maybe 100 to 120, and the pickin’s may just be too slim there among non Asian minorities.

    I’m guessing you need to not be too smart (or you’d be contributing in other ways), but you have to:

    — Be well read in current affairs

    — Be able to come into a situation and figure out what the deal is and find a job to do on your own, without excessive supervision or training

    — Speak in a standard dialect and accent

    — Put together patterns from things you notice (not imaginary stuff you were taught in “studies”) and recognize how they might affect the goals of the organization

    — Communicate clearly and concisely to coworkers

    And so on. As it is, the current crop of diverse workers is using the time and energy of the organization, not adding more capability.

  22. Bugg says:
    @countenance

    There are some very wealthy Dem supporters who want a gay person on the ticket. Buttigieg also checks some boxes with his work background and education. Whether that’s enough to overcome the black aversion to the down low when it’s not a black guy like Obama remains to be seen. The visual ultimately of 2 white guys, including and elderly commie Jew and a gay Rand Corp stooge, when they is not the diversity the Dems tell us matters so 24/7,

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    , @CJ
  23. MEH 0910 says:

  24. De bossman I work fo’s a faggit;
    Dat’s my cotton sack, and I gots to drag it.
    While I’s cah’n out my day-to-day duty,
    Mistah Booty-gig, don’t gig my booty!

    This is a parody of an Uncle Remus-style negro dialect; do not whim. THIS MEANS YOU!

    • LOL: BB753, Oscar Peterson
  25. Lugash says:
    @Arclight

    I am guessing Elizabeth Warren’s policy staff has some vague ideas about how to bring the hammer down on private business if she is elected…however, I think she is unlikely to survive the primary. The party’s funders don’t want to watch the value of their stock holdings get crushed by a Warren or Sanders administration.

    My guess is that Warren has quietly let it be known to the funders that her wealth tax will never happen if she’s elected. Yesterday we saw the coordinated endorsement blitz for her. Bernie scares the crap out of the funders.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    , @Jack D
  26. People, you are not allowed to say “colored people” by the white people who say “People of Color”.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  27. Art Deco says:
    @Sean

    Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar said that a woman with Buttigieg’s lack of experience could never have been a serious presidential candidate.

    Buttigieg has run an actual municipal government with real buildings and payrolls to meet. He’s actually one of the more ‘experienced’ Democratic candidates of consequence in the last 20-odd years. Sundown Joe Biden is a creepy real estate agent manque who has never held an executive position, Princess Spreading Bull has never held an executive position and hasn’t been in Congress that long, Albert Gore was a quondam newspaper reporter who had never held an executive position, Bill Bradley was a professional athlete who had never held an executive position (good wonk, though), John Kerry was a mediocre small practice lawyer from Boston who had never held an executive position, John Edwards was a skeevy ambulance chaster who had never held an executive position, and Barack Obama managed to be an underperformer in all the (non-executive) positions he’d had (only one of which incorporated working for a private company). Hellary’s first turn in an executive position was granted her at the age of 61, in which post her most notable activity was setting up a system on the QT to frustrate FOIA requests (which, however, allowed hackers abroad to swipe all of her correspondence). Buttigieg was a failure in the most consequential aspects of his job as mayor, but he managed at least to go about his business without having screeching violent fits at his subordinates (something neither Klobberherworkers nor Felonia von Pantsuit could manage).

    • Thanks: J.Ross
  28. @Altai

    Every workplace will have a full-time employee who just makes official TikToks.

    I like the one with the happy, smiling Muslima who in no way, shape, or form wants heritage America broke and dead.

    • Replies: @Altai
  29. Bugg says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Seen it in government, where the white guys take up the slack while the diversity bunch go to another conference/weekend/dinner.

    Have a friend who works for a long time in the tech end of communications. He annual calculus is would a big pension and retirement be better than babysitting another diverse VP promoted well past his or her competence at a much higher salary.

  30. @Carol

    I am no longer a cube dweller anyway, but I concur with your last sentence, Carol.

    I’d advise the young men readers especially that you ought to try to find an occupation in which you would have no bosses. There are plenty.

  31. @Bugg

    I agree, Bugg. I thought it was easy enough to make fun of the Hildabeast, but that ticket will be a hoot.

  32. BB753 says:
    @691

    Buttigieg, if elected, would paint the White House pink and all his staff would be gay.

  33. Arclight says:
    @Lugash

    I agree with you that she has probably communicated that some of her more extreme proposals like the wealth tax are not going to be enacted, but what I had in mind were things that could be done through an EO or regulatory agencies and the DOJ.

    If she were elected, I would bet on the stock market taking a massive hit and economic growth slowing back down to the 2% range, and I am guessing a lot of Dem donors think this too.

  34. Jimi says:

    Perhaps GOP infiltrators can cause the eventual Democratic nominee’s campaign to falter by planting moles to stir up racial division and resentment.

  35. Kronos says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Get good grades in High School they said!

    Don’t use recreational drugs and have premarital sex they said!

    Go to college they said!

    No job? Well I guess you didn’t listen!

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  36. I got side-tracked making wise-ass comments, but I think you are right on the money with this:

    Okay, but the People of Color staffers are getting paid to help win over the People of Color voters, so maybe rather than complain about how they aren’t accomplishing what they were hired to do, they should apologize for their failures and then work harder.

    Right. “The campaign doesn’t have enough colored-people support because you all are not doing your jobs, is what I wanna’ say”, says the Mayor from South Bendova. “Maybe I need to get some people who CAN win them over. Hit the Churches, hit the barber shops, hit the Federal Building offices, hell, get the band back together… whatever it takes, People! (of Color)”

    • Replies: @ziggurat
  37. Rahan says:

    They’ve conditioned me, over the past two years, to immediately withdraw any good faith and belief in honesty, when reading something by a) an Epstein or a similar Shlomo, or b) a goy dangerhair individual who’s part of the rainbow freaks coalition, or c) some Omar, or Tyrone, or Pajit or the like.

    In the past, I’d give representatives of all three groups a fair hearing, but now I’ve stopped. Now I only give them a fair hearing if someone I respect vouches for them. Otherwise I simply assume that they are evil psychopaths trying to enforce their evil psychopathic agenda behind a cloud of bullshit fill of hypnotic trigger words.

    It didn’t have to be that way, but apparently they can’t help themselves. How many people like me shifted like this, after Brexit and Trump forced the baizuo to drop their masks and show themselves in their full glory? How many of us started *noticing patterns* and *applying traditional categories*, and *cutting through the bullshit to the core*, and other crypto-Hitler terror-Nazi habits?

    And yet before Brexit and Trump I was a “traditional rightwing liberal”, ready to believe that The Guardian and The New York Times and CNN are full of decent people who know what they’re doing. Yet now… Now… Why would they do this to themselves?

    • Agree: Walsh2, Pop Warner
  38. The funniest thing about Pete Buttigieg is the way his supporters (few though they are) cannot grasp why people don’t like him. He’s young and clean-cut! He was a Rhodes scholar! He (supposedly) speaks Norwegian! They cannot possibly imagine how so many people can look at this chirping former McKinsey consultant–with his stupid canned answers and his empty platitudes–and think that he is one of fakiest fakes ever to walk the earth. If he were to win, it would be a big step forward for vacuous careerists everywhere.

    More broadly, Buttigieg tells us something about the internal tension within the Democratic Party. Within the party, he’s grouped with the “moderate wing.” The worldview of the “moderate wing” is basically that of HR chieftain. The problem with America, in this view, isn’t the various small towns and cities that have been decimated by the opioid crisis. It isn’t the ever increasing housing and medical costs. It isn’t that young people can’t afford to have children anymore.

    No, the real problem is that someone, somewhere, talked over someone else at some pointless meeting.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    , @njguy73
  39. anon[154] • Disclaimer says:

    Not too long from now the Wokeplace will know about your habits at home. Starting with your front door. Thanks to Facebook.

    “Lol, nah, I don’t do Facebook” you might say – but Facebook does you starting from your Ring.

    https://www.fastcompany.com/90456776/ring-caught-giving-user-data-to-facebook-whether-they-have-an-account-or-not

  40. Kronos says:

    Throughout Caldwell’s “Entitlement” book, straight white males are the bottom feeders of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. But he doesn’t provide details on the higher intersectional caste system. Would the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division have a rule-of-thumb (physically-able privilege I know) scoresheet? Or maybe it’s a Federal judge who determines it by Dungeons & Dragons dice rolls?

    It might also work like a Free-Floating Currency…


  41. Lot says:
    @countenance

    Don’t be so sure. Canada and France have pretty-boy metrosexual PMs who ran on similar corporate center-left platforms. There’s also the matter of President Donald J Trump, Governor Jesse Ventura, and quite nearly Senator Linda McMahon.

    • Replies: @Altai
  42. Lot says:
    @Altai

    TikTok and the gay hookup app Grindr are both owned by the Chinese government.

    • Replies: @Altai
    , @Pericles
  43. @eah

    Actual plaque in question.

  44. ATBOTL says:

    You can see why tech companies are letting Indians take over their firms: diversity is not working, so creeping racial monopolization by somebody who feels zero white guilt at least might get some work done.

    This is a bizarre non sequitur. Indians were brought in to replace white programmers en masse starting in the early 1990’s. Those offices had virtually no NAM’s in them at the time and none of this racial grievance culture. The reasons for the Indian invasion have nothing to do with this issue. Is Steve experiencing dementia?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Russ
    , @Anonymous
  45. Every time I hear about Mayor Pete’s campaign I think it must be the dream child of Mel Brooks.

    I can hear him now, “OK, OK, we have a gay presidential candidate. And his name incorporates the words “peter” and “butt” and he’s from…wait for it…SOUTH BEND!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Quick, get Harvey Korman on the phone…what?…Harvey’s dead? Then get Rick Moranis…even better..get it? More Anus…BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHA”

    Butt, on a less serious note. Why is “people/person of color” and “employee of color” so fine and dandy butt, “colored people” is totally and in all ways inconceivable?

  46. Altai says:
    @Lot

    Grindr keeps getting caught divulging their users data. A gay hookup app that encourages users to disclose their HIV status and which plays host to nominally straight men who wouldn’t have dared explore these sorts of things before Grindr (Also a nice new novel pathway of STDs from MSM into the broader population, at least you didn’t have that with the bathhouses.), so much blackmail potential. That’s before you get to the normal base content on Grindr.

    Even for out gay men who are HIV-neg it can be a nightmare. A celebrity doctor in Britain was caught chatting to a guy telling him to come over to do drugs with his husband in their London flat. Some of the drugs were implied to maybe have come from his or his husbands hospital stocks.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3167233/Dr-Christian-Jessen-defends-inviting-stranger-flat-drug-fuelled-romp.html

    The paper claims he bragged about having a drugs stash at his flat, including class B drug mephadrone, GHB and cannabis when they spoke on July 5 on the gay sex app.

    According to the Star, he said: ‘It’s prob better to meet at my place to be honest. So we can party more and I have everything we need here.

    When the other man said he was going to pick up some mephadrone for £80 a gram, Christian is said to have replied: ‘No!! It should be 15 to 20 per gram. Not 80!! Don’t get it.’

    Christian is then said to have added that he has his own stash, writing: ‘OK listen: I have some here that I know is good. So you don’t need to get any.’

  47. The Anti-White Male Coalition
    Is ever in fragile condition;
    To fight the straight crackers
    They must bend to fudge-packers,
    Putting them in an awkward position.

    • LOL: FPD72
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  48. Altai says:
    @Lot

    Macron won despite his creepiness and obvious establishment anti-people stance because he was paired opposite Le Pen in the last round. He has predictably gone down as the most despised French president of all time. But he was the last gasp of the French political elite, so many people in France were more prone to accepting him over Le Pen. With no cards left to play, it will be Le Pen or Mélenchon next time.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Lot
  49. Daniel H says:

    Some Hispanic employees felt disrespected when managers asked them to translate text, even if they didn’t speak Spanish.

    This is now a micro-aggression, presuming that a latino/hispanic can speak Spanish.

    • Replies: @anon
  50. You can see why tech companies are letting Indians take over their firms: diversity is not working, so creeping racial monopolization by somebody who feels zero white guilt at least might get some work done.

    There’s always a bit of truth … sometimes, perhaps too much … in all good humour.

  51. @countenance

    Mayor Pete might actually have had a chance if he had channelled his Inner-Johnny during the debates. Much harder to do on the trail.

  52. @ChrisZ

    Mayor Pete missed his chance to connect to PoCs when he let Jerry O’Connell snake subbing for Wendy Williams last year.

  53. JimB says:

    You can see why tech companies are letting Indians take over their firms: diversity is not working, so creeping racial monopolization by somebody who feels zero white guilt at least might get some work done.

    The operative word is “might.”

    • Agree: bomag
  54. anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    But this is going to be like after the 2008 referendum in California when tons of black church ladies turned out to vote for the nice Mr. Obama and stayed to vote against gay marriage.

    Leading to racist rants in various social media as well as Mormon hating. Then in 2009 the forces of progress went through the Prop 8 donor list with a fine-toothed comb and began tracking down those who had given money. The most visible target was Brandon Eich who wound up leaving Mozilla, a software org he had founded. Because the oh so sensitive Millennial coders were upset, probably literally shaking, they just couldn’t…on the upside, the world got the Brave browser eventually.

    Eich was not the only one. People lost jobs and gigs all over SoCal and NorCal because of a donation to Prop 8. Any donation no matter how small put one on the list of “bad people”. In the space of what, 10 years? maybe 15? the Progressive, Liberal minded people of Cali went from “don’t put the government in my bedroom, what I do away from work is my business only” to “your private thoughts are hateful, therefore you must go away NOW!”. Thought policing is the liberal way.

    Perhaps the great aWokening actually began in California in 2009?

    • Replies: @MNL
  55. anon[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H

    This is now a micro-aggression, presuming that a latino/hispanic can speak Spanish.

    It’s a safer bet that they cannot read Spanish at all and only speak Spanglish.
    But they go to night school anyway, and study Spanish, and get a “B”.

    • Replies: @Walsh2
    , @J.Ross
  56. Jack D says:
    @Mr. Anon

    That’s a nice fantasy but nope – these are his actual campaign staff. Hillary had a bunch of similar snowflakes and head cases, which explains how she managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Damaged goods are attracted to Leftist campaigns like flies to cow dung. It’s a miracle if these people can even get out of bed in the morning.

    Meanwhile, in China they are building two completely equipped new hospitals to house coronavirus victims in 10 days total. In today’s USA 10 days on they would still be arguing about the configuration of the restrooms and looking to hire a number of different “consultants” to search for Native American artifacts, rare insects, etc. on the proposed construction site, which would either be too far or too close to a minority community so we can’t built it there anyway. We are now completely incapable of getting shit done because of people like the above and it’s going to start hitting us. It already has with Boeing and the next time we are confronted with a major crisis it’s going to be bad – once you loose your ability to get shit done things tend to just spiral down and down.

  57. J.Ross says:

    Whaddaya know, this is actually on topic: the last episode of This American Life (“I AM THE MOST FEMINIST MAN YOU KNOW. NOW BELL JAR MY LITTLE SYLVIA PLATH*.”) was devoted to the urMeToo’ing of leftist news site AlterNet. This means it required talking to young white collar postgrad chicks about office politicking. This means it was a lot of incoherent babble which will convince you that they shouldn’t be in the workplace. Key sample: woman collapses during a raise negotiation because her self esteem needs to “win” more than she needs a raise.
    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/640/five-women
    *Because it’s talentless, crazy, lonely, and dies early. Ba-dum’tish.

  58. J.Ross says:
    @eah

    I’m doing my part.
    (I don’t think this’ll work but it will be interesting to see if it gets the numbers.)

    • Replies: @Lot
  59. @Bugg

    Sanders will never put Butts on his ticket (that is in the slim chance they allow Sanders to get the ticket). They don’t agree on hardly anything.

  60. @Achmed E. Newman

    I’d advise the young men readers especially that you ought to try to find an occupation in which you would have no bosses. There are plenty.

    This. A million times.

    Become a skilled individual contributor so you can consult and/or freelance. Look for opportunities to network at the local business incubator/coworking space.

    Or, learn a skilled trade, get through an apprenticeship, save your money, take night classes in accounting/small business development, and then go open your own shop and hire tradesmen to work for you.

    Actual quality bosses are few and far between. I left one this summer to see if the grass was greener. It isn’t.

    The new boss I landed under was in my role for five years before I arrived. If I wasn’t doing things *exactly* as he did them I got an earful about it. I’m talking about things like word choices, verbal and written phrasing, gesturing in presentations, etc.

    The, “gotcha,” game also became a clear pattern. A quality boss clarifies and communicates his expectations for something like a customer presentation beforehand.

    There is none of this, “Oh, you were boring people, you were giving too much detail, the customer wanted to be out of there, it’s just a dog and pony show, blah, blah…” after the fact, and after being praised by multiple people on your team and the customer team.

  61. Anonymous[876] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @anon
  62. @Bud Lite

    “His campaign is struggling, in part, because only 60% of the staff was hired based on merit and actually knows what they’re doing. I’ve seen the same thing in law firms.The cost of carrying deadwood in the name of diversity is high, and that’s before the EEOC complaints and lawsuits.”

    didn’t Peter Brimelow calculate that forced diversity mandates incur a penalty of about 5% of GDP per year? or something like that.

    although that was decades ago he ran those numbers. and i would estimate they are higher than 5%. i think if you could cut all the vibrant employees, we’d discover that we have like a 10% drag on productivity for private businesses and a 25% drag on productivity for government work. with the percentage increasing, decade by decade.

    and if you cut all the vibrant citizens in total, who are mostly deadweight, then we are actually wasting like 20% of the entire country’s output, keeping useless vibrants housed and well fed and ‘educated’ and so on. just putting down more infrastructure so the US can support 400 million people, half of them deadweight, is a ton of money.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  63. @Sean

    …apart from being gay, he has little else to recommend him.

    Hence he has nothing at all to recommend him.

  64. Altai says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I like how the problem wasn’t all the death and social collapse in either Iraq or Iran from decades of sanctions or war from the USA on behalf of Israel but the affectation of how some people with a southern accent pronounce the English names of those places.

    As you said, she cares less about those places she may or may not have left than asserting her immigrant veto in the land she is colonising.

  65. Forbes says:
    @Justvisiting

    Hard to play cut-throat, win-at-any-cost Dem party politics if you’re stopping every 5 minutes to see if everyone is “okay.”

  66. Buttigieg just strikes me as pathetic and sad.

    I mean here’s a guy who clearly quite intelligent, Rhodes scholar, Ivy League, etc. He clearly has some tools. What did he do with these tools? He basically made other people money and got a pat on the head in return. The guy is not even a millionaire. Worked at McKinsey–was apparently a really good analyst. Great. I’m sure the partners who were making millions off him threw him a few thousand come bonus time and wrote him a really good review. Now he begs for money from people who are actually powerful and independently wealthy in wine caves, promising to do their bidding in the White House. If he has an original thought or goes off message, BOOM, end of Mayor Pete’s career.

    He seems to console himself with the knowledge that now he can have a ‘husband’ who he can make out with on the campaign trail. That’s why–in his mind–the system is great and the status quo should be preserved. But seriously, though, is his life actually better now than it would have been 50 or 100 years ago? Maybe if he’d lived back then he would have had to keep his relationship on the down low and become a confirmed bachelor, but on the other hand he would have had much greater economic opportunities (and would not have had to deal with a bunch of people of color sniping at him.) I know what I’d choose if I were a homosexual–the gay marriage thing is just a booby prize.

    • Replies: @Russ
  67. @Altai

    That was fascinating look into the unseriousness of the people who demand we take them über seriously.

    Best one is “We’re all secretly kids, tbh”

    Yeah, it’s not really a secret, tbh.

    (It also features the sole attractive female at the Post.)

    • Replies: @Altai
    , @Altai
  68. anon[457] • Disclaimer says:

    Chair of the chemistry department at Harvard accused of covertly working for China. His expertise includes nanomaterials.

    https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2020/01/28/harvard-professor-charles-lieber-charged-with-hiding-china-ties

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  69. Forbes says:
    @691

    Buttplug looks to be the Peter Principle token gay–in the right place, at the right time, when diversity tokenism was taking off for the openly gay. He checks all the right boxes: Harvard, Oxford, McKinsey, so he must be a gay superstar going places–but he never stayed anywhere long enough to accomplish much.

    His longest work experience is mayor of South Bend. But he should be president??

  70. Jesse says:

    Re: gay marriage and the blacks. It’s hard to take them seriously as they talk about sexual morality and Christian ethics when they haven’t quite got their head around “thou shalt not kill”.

    I suspect that’s the great unspoken for why no one took them seriously on the topic, even to hate/mock them. It’s the elephant in the room, along with the cliché-for-a-reason of the secretly degenerate socons. Plus, it seemed to bring out a certain race pride in younger whites, that they weren’t like *them*. Saying it out loud would’ve spoiled it.

  71. Bugg says:
    @Senor Moose

    We have become a society addicted to the idea that some grand meeting will solve everything. And really most such meetings in every endeavor devolve into mashup of empty platitudes and promises to get to that before the next meeting. Woke folk love such nonsense. Trump is very much a response to that. We can only hope the stories of him reaming out the happytalk military brass and choosing the drone Sulamani are in fact true. Wait, Mr. President, we’re not going to talk about this? No, hit the SOB with a missile,next.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  72. Lot says:
    @Altai

    Macron still made it to the runoff and his party won big too. I wouldn’t count him out.

  73. Anon[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL

    Seems like it.

  74. “it’s just like, a bunch of white dudes.”

    …with killer pecs and abs.

    “I feel a lot of pressure to, like, just hire someone.”

    The future of politics is, like, superannuation college kids punctuation their sound bites with “like”.

  75. Russ says:

    This is the future of the American workplace: endless meetings in which Persons of Color get incoherently emotional.

    You can see why tech companies are letting Indians take over their firms: diversity is not working, so creeping racial monopolization by somebody who feels zero white guilt at least might get some work done.

    Not quite as succinct as Invade The World/Invite The World, but I’d still supplant that Lazarus poem at the base of the Statue of Liberty with it.

  76. @Bugg

    He also tried to check another box with his brief, completely contrived photo-op stint in Afghanistan

  77. Hispanics are even less likely to vote for Buttigieg than Blacks. Hispanic culture is even more homophobic. And incidentally, among the Hispanics none are more homophobic than the Puerto Ricans, who may be the most homophobic people on the planet. Incidentally, I saw that documentary about Aaron Hernandez. His Dad was a typical hyper masculine, machismo-on-steroids Puerto Rican. And it was quite apparent that Aaron was a closeted homosexual, and that reconciling that to his upbringing and his high-profile status in the world only fueled his psychopathy and paranoia.

  78. Russ says:
    @ATBOTL

    This is a bizarre non sequitur. Indians were brought in to replace white programmers en masse starting in the early 1990’s.

    But now we have Utah Mike Lee pushing S386, to let dot-Indians dominate the H-1B visa racket. The chronological ordering is not perfectly aligned, so you do have a point, but so does Steve, and the premise of a future U.S. run by south Asians inherently inured to the perpetual grievances of the NAMs rivets the attention of those whom Christopher Caldwell properly positions at the bottom of the pyramid post-1964.

  79. Clyde says:
    @countenance

    Buttigieg’s candidacy isn’t serious. He’s a gay guy hustling from the purses of other gay guys, and hustling what he knew all along would be media sympathy from the many gay journalists.

    Buttigieg would be a decent VP pick. The gay orgs are loaded and Buttigieg would harvest a hundred million in gay campaign donations. 90% of the gays and trans will vote for Buttigieg. Having a gay VP candidate would show how uber progressive the Dems are. Wall Street likes him.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    , @kihowi
  80. Jack D says:
    @Lugash

    Somewhere I saw a Bernie supporter saying something to the effect that Bernie has been consistent in his beliefs throughout his entire career (meaning this in a positive way). In fact that’s the scary thing about Bernie – he really sincerely believes in socialism and he always has. Socialism Now, Socialism Tomorrow, Socialism Forever! Warren has shown that she will bend to the winds. People on the right criticize Trump for this but in fact it is an invaluable trait in a leader.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  81. Altai says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Even better is the head TikTok Officer for The Washington Post’s personal twitter. Other journos desperately trying to get in on the fun or declaring that they think MSNBC or the BBC need their own.

  82. Michael S says:

    …creeping racial monopolization by somebody who feels zero white guilt at least might get some work done.

    Might. But doesn’t.

  83. Altai says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Even better is the head TikTok Officer for The Washington Post’s personal twitter. Other journos desperately trying to get in on the fun or declaring that they think MSNBC or the BBC need their own.

  84. c matt says:

    rather than complain about how they aren’t accomplishing what they were hired to do, they should apologize for their failures and then work harder.

    The only POC who would follow that route are old-school Asians.

  85. Russ says:
    @SimpleSong

    Buttigieg just strikes me as pathetic and sad.

    Never forget that his old man founded the Antonio Gramsci society, to honor the father of cultural Marxism. His issues run far deeper than the homosexuality for which the blacks revile him.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    , @Alden
  86. Walsh2 says:
    @anon

    I played this clip for my daughter last year. She was a senior in high school and her and her friends absolutely thought it was the funniest thing they’ve ever seen. A couple of kids in her group of friends are Mexican immigrants and they loved it. In fact, the Mexican kids purposely played it front front of a couple of woke sjw type teachers just to bust their chops.

  87. Jack D says:
    @Bugg

    The same thing happened with Vindman. He was of the impression that the Permanent Government sets policy and give the President talking points and the President then reads them to the foreign leaders as if he is the Queen who has been handed the Queen’s Speech by her Prime Minister (the Queen sounds particularly pathetic when she has to read the speeches written by socialist Labour PM’s). After all, what does the President know about Ukraine? Leave this to the professionals.

    So he was utterly shocked when the President decided to set his own policy – he told the bureaucrats what to do instead of vice versa. Who does he think he is – the President of the United States? No, wait…

  88. My tech cube farm has been pushing ‘diversity’ for a few years, apparently so that we would get some fresh thinking and new ways of doing our work. We changed hiring practices to increase the number of females, which we duly got.

    Result: they spend most of their time arranging diversity seminars, mental health awareness weeks and attending ‘women in tech’ events. I haven’t heard a single new or interesting idea or suggestion for improving our engineering output.

    The latest fad is judging everyone on our ‘outreach’, with bonus points for encouraging more ‘underrespresented groups’ into the cubes.

    This really feels like a vicious circle.

  89. @Anon

    That’s pretty much the problem with hiring pee oh see’s in every office or professional job. You simply won’t find many qualified minorities because almost all of the candidates in that IQ range will be white or Asian. Hence the calls for affirmative action to outright ignore qualifications in the name of diversity

    What I wonder is the productivity of those 40% diverse staffers on Assman’s campaign. Not just the ones in more general roles but even the minority outreach people, are they performing as well or better than a white in that position? If I were running a campaign I would probably put one token on the diversity staff as a face then staff it with Jews who will not only be higher IQ but better understand all of the rituals and quasi-religious dogmas about diversity.

  90. @Art Deco

    Buttigieg has run an actual municipal government with real buildings and payrolls to meet. He’s actually one of the more ‘experienced’ Democratic candidates of consequence in the last 20-odd years.

    True. …And yet, nobody gives a shit about his actual competence to do the work, except those who comment here.

    b/c he’s gay.

    …That should tell you something about the Democrat party. Appearances aren’t everything, they’re the only thing.

  91. anon[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Why is this board limited to humans only? Shouldn’t other primates be heard, too? Such speciesism!

    Here’s a witness I’d like to call to that meeting.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @theMann
  92. @Mr. Anon

    You mean you don’t know about the control-room staff at NBC when Jesse Jackson was hosting SNL?

    https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/jesse-jackson-monologue/n9260

  93. kihowi says:
    @Anon

    Of course. An environment like that requires not just great social intelligence, but social genius. People who do well in politics are fighting about 100 wars with different factions that are scheming against them every day and think nothing of it. All through the medium of wordplay, innuendo, pr subtleties, tactical gossiping, rumor mongering, plausible deniability, etc etc.

    So yeah, IQ.

  94. Lot says:
    @J.Ross

    “ it will be interesting to see if it gets the numbers”

    Dumb groyper trolling doesn’t catch on as a rule.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  95. J.Ross says:
    @anon

    Harvard gave us Vindman (both of them; apparently there’s actually three but the third one isn’t actively trying to destabilize the government right now), this prize (who isn’t even Chinese), two law professor idiots who should never speak publicly again, the 90s Russia disaster, Shock Therapy, and various other proofs that we have a caste system and the main caste privilege is exemption from consequence or criticism. How many spies is Harvard going to produce? How much unhinged cultist hysteria are our universities going to generate before we reform them?

  96. Alfa158 says:
    @Mark in BC

    My understanding it is because the word “colored” implies that something was changed to a new color, as in a colored drawing. Therefore when you use colored you imply that the person is something other the the natural color for humans, and that natural color is white.
    People of Color means these are people who have these colors other than white, and that it is just as natural as white. Maybe, even more natural.

  97. J.Ross says:
    @anon

    And (and this is more other groups but applies here as well) insist upon translation services, thereby guaranteeing work for their cousin and introducing delays to our systems.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  98. @Mr. Anon

    Reports are surfacing of people actually clawing out their eyes,reminiscent of the 60’s LSD panic,after seeing too many Bloomberg ads.

    • LOL: bomag
  99. My Gawd! Is there anyone whose entire office wasn’t shuttle bused off to a “conference center” in the last 15 or 20 years, to be bored to tears while the regional “VP for Diversity and Inclusion” didn’t deliver a PowerPoint presentation on this crap? Then, the REAL torture: you had to break up into “afternoon workshops” where the white employees have to engage in self-flagellation!

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  100. istevefan says:

    OT

    Net migration to the US plunged from 1,046,709 in 2016 to 595,348 last year. Meanwhile, US population is growing at the slowest rate in history. To avoid becoming another Japan, we need to let more immigrants in. https://t.co/BDQKmkhfSk— Suketu Mehta (@suketumehta) January 6, 2020

    If net immigration has fallen below 600K, that is certainly progress. Of course the WaPo is concerned we will become Japan.

    • Agree: Lot
  101. J.Ross says:
    @Lot

    How is this dumb groyper trolling?

    • Replies: @Lot
  102. @istevefan

    “to avoid becoming another Japan, we need to let more immigrants in”

    Because it would be awful to live in a prosperous, low-crime country with a positive trade balance, full employment, amazing tech and world technical leadership?

    Foreign vacation travel. This is one of life’s ultimate luxuries and the Japanese people have increased their foreign vacation travel nearly fourfold since the 1980s.

    Life expectancy. Although the Japanese have been eating a lot more hamburgers lately, they have somehow increased their life expectancy by nearly five years since 1989. The secret is an avowedly socialist healthcare system that, all through the “lost decades,” continued to invest heavily in ever more advanced equipment.

    Construction. Formerly dominated by low-rise jerrybuilt structures, Japanese city centers now boast some of the world’s tallest and swankiest architecture. The crowning glory is the Tokyo Skytree, the world’s second tallest structure after Dubai’s Burj Khalifa.

    Restaurants. Tokyo has now edged out Paris as the culinary capital of the world. In the latest Michelin Guide, it scored nine Michelin Three Star restaurants, versus a mere six for Paris.

    Car culture. In the 1980s Japan’s roads were characterized by Toyota Starlets and Nissan Cherrys. Now Japanese drivers are more likely to tool around in late-model Toyota Lexuses and Nissan Infinitis. Meanwhile the Toyota Prius, an expensive hybrid car favored by the Hollywood rich and famous, has broken through in Japan like nowhere else – so much so that Japanese drivers recently accounted for nearly half of all Priuses owned anywhere in the world.

    Countless other indicators could be cited of Japan’s remarkable economic progress. Some are indeed obvious the moment a visitor sets foot. Take, for instance, how impressively Japan’s airports have been upgraded. Full of escalators, moving walkways, robust no-charge luggage trollies, and under-the-same-roof connections to ground transport, they are a joy to navigate compared to their crumbling American counterparts. Meanwhile foreigners quickly discover that the internet in Japan runs as much as ten times faster than in the United States. Japan’s bullet trains keep setting new speed records (and still have never suffered a fatal accident). Then there is the Chuo Shinkansen, the world’s first long-distance maglev railroad, which will connect Tokyo and Osaka at a cruising speed of more than 300 miles an hour. Construction work is already well advanced, and parts of it should be in service by 2020. And, of course, we should not forget that Eighth Wonder of the World, the Akashi Kaikyo bridge, with its world record main span of 6,532 feet. For anyone who is counting (which apparently is no one in the American media) that is more than 50 percent longer that of the Verrazano Narrows, America’s longest span. The significance of this can be gauged from the fact that the challenge in bridge building increases with the cube of a bridge’s span.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingleton/2015/04/01/this-is-no-april-fool-japan-is-beating-the-pants-off-the-united-states/#2ac3e6075b88

  103. The “need to be heard” and realizing their ideas are not “valued” by “people of color” is something they are used to when things get serious, in the workplace, in the military, etc. Its’ called WHITE PEOPLE OPERATE AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL, IN SPEED, EFFICIENCY, INTELLECT, all that.

    Whenever there is a group project, it always becomes clear. People of color (excluding obvious non POCs, like white hispanics and white arabs/persians and asians), always revert to their “feelings” and how they had ideas “nobody wanted to listen to”…everyone, including most of them, realize they have nothing to offer and cannot possibly plan, work projects, and solve unique problems like white people (male or female). It causes everyone problems and never leaves POCs feeling good about themselves.

    This stuff with Buttigigs campaign just illustrates it, even in a “maFeelz” environment, eventually you need the adults in the room.

    • Replies: @CCZ
  104. CJ says:
    @Bugg

    There are some very wealthy Dem supporters who want a gay person on the ticket.

    Check. Buttigieg is the American Macron; a completely synthetic candidate controlled by strings pulled from the financial sector.

  105. “You can see why tech companies are letting Indians take over their firms: diversity is not working, so creeping racial monopolization by somebody who feels zero white guilt at least might get some work done.”

    Even if the work is so shoddy that your planes fall out of the sky.

    There’s a reason there’s not much of a line at the Vishnu Airlines desk at the airport.

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  106. CJ says:
    @istevefan

    I don’t comment enough to have a Disagree button, but I will here; a post like that is never OT 🙂

    The drop in U.S. immigration numbers is a hugely important story that needs to be flung back at the blackpillers around here. And elsewhere.

  107. After reading this, I feel a perverse desire to see Mayor Pete become POTUS solely to see what’s going to happen when he tries to organize his cabinet, choose advisers etc.

  108. @Bugg

    The upcoming Sanders/Buttplugs Dem ticket is going to be so much fun!

    Haven’t you heard?

    Sanders had a private conversation with Buttigieg, and according to Buttigieg, Sanders casually dismissed any possibility that “an insincere, conniving, insufferable animatronic Chuck E. Cheese-ass, McKinsey rat-faced spook” could ever get elected President.

    So I don’t think Sanders is going to select him to be Veep, either.

  109. Muggles says:
    @Clyde

    Since the gay community is already very Democratic, why would adding Buttigieg be a wise VP move?

    Kennedy picked LBJ, just to win Texas and some of the redneck states. He hated him though. Of course LBJ later got even.

    While someone like Biden might consider Pete, more likely one of the females would be chosen. That might win some independents or non-Dems. There are conservative gays/lesbians, more than a few (not the ones constantly in the media usually) but Bittigieg probably wouldn’t by himself turn a conservative/normal gay into a Dem voter. I don’t think they vote solely w/ their dicks, etc.

    If the Dems had a farmer/redneck ex-military VP candidate, gay or not, it might help. Pete was in the military but has little redneck appeal otherwise. Corporate shark, Ivy League, etc. and just being in Indiana doesn’t make you a farmer.

  110. And now….the bitchmade future US Army officer corps, brought to you, the American taxpayer by the USMA at West Point, NY:

    Woke West Point Curriculum Denounces ‘Toxic Masculinity’

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/01/28/woke-west-point-curriculum-denounces-toxic-masculinity/

    The programming included discussion groups led by upper-class cadets, labeled “facilitators,” making references to “toxic masculinity,” leading one cadet to comment, “I’m being taught how not to be a man.”

    I shouldn’t be surprised or angry. After all, we live in a time when the fat, greasy, pedo-looking Vindman has a Ranger tab.

    A fucking Ranger tab for Christ’s sake.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @SFG
  111. @Russ

    I didn’t know that! Cecil Rhodes must be rolling in his grave.

  112. @Anonymous

    Employers have two choices: (a) hire on merit and get criticized for not having enough diversity; or (b) hire based on diversity and get criticized by your own whining, under-qualified diversity hires for not treating them like the stars they aren’t.

    Option A usually results in less net criticism and drama in the long run. Plus your merit-based workforce will actually get the job done better. I guess they don’t teach that at McKinsey.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @RebelWriter
  113. Neoconned says:

    Didn’t Google and Microsoft hire Patels to take over the operational aspects of the companies?

    Anyway I guess it is easier to fire Quaneesha or Lupa the janitor when Chin or Patel is doing it instead of Jim Bob the redneck or William the Midwestern manager dude.

  114. JohnnyD says:

    Wow, these staffers are even bitchier than their gay boss! Pretty impressive!

    • LOL: Old Prude
  115. @Known Fact

    ‘What exactly is an “empowered” campaign worker?
    “Da’Quon?”
    “Yes, Mayor Pete?”
    “Run off a thousand of this position paper — and hey, my good man, pick any typeface and margin width you like.”’

    ? Why would a black be doing useful work? I f you actually wanted it done, wouldn’t you pick somebody — anybody — else?

    • Replies: @Pericles
  116. Andy says:

    You can see why tech companies are letting Indians take over their firms: diversity is not working, so creeping racial monopolization by somebody who feels zero white guilt at least might get some work done.

    I commented this here before, the diversity nonsense will end up having a real negative competitive effect on US companies vis a vis foreign companies, especially Asian firms, where this nonsense doesn’t exist

    • Agree: Duke84
  117. Jack D says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Option A = get sued be EEOC.

    • Replies: @Lot
  118. Neoconned says:
    @Bugg

    Several ppl on here have talked about this dudes name and the jokes about his name if he does get the candidacy….imagine Trump doing a Freudian slip and saying “Buttplug”…..during a debate.

  119. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL

    The dot.dotcomswamis were not brought in because of PC dysfunctionality, but their relative immunity to it has tempered corporate efforts to do much about their mediocrity and their blatant lack of diversity. Indian run IT works, not as well as an all-white or a white-with-a -few-dots-and-oriental-grinds, but it hobbles along, where True Diversity could cause a total and catastrophic end of business flow.

  120. ziggurat says:
    @eah

    We should petition a replacement poem. For example:

    The lamp was lit and burning bright,
    illuminating liberty in the night.

    Full of darkness is the world
    without human rights defending souls.

    Liberty keeps the lamp afire
    while tyranny reins under the liars.

    Hope is the lamp, that may go out,
    until or unless there is a turnabout.

    https://allpoetry.com/poem/14805581-The-Lamp-by-James-George

    “The Lamp” by James George

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  121. Lot says:
    @Jack D

    Doesn’t happen very much.

    When’s the last high profile race discrimination case a corporation lost? I can’t think of any at all.

    The Feds seem to focus on urban area local government jobs. FDNY must look like NYC, but Apple and Google look like like 40% Mexican California? Come on now, be serious!

  122. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    So, do you see “standing up to Xi and Putin” as the most important task for the next President? As opposed to standing up to the people running this country?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  123. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Oh, you work in “defense.” Never mind my earlier question.

  124. @anonymous

    No.

    I think it’s funny that the clowns pushing the Woke agenda at West Point think the product of their curriculum will be able to stand up to Xi and Putin.

  125. @Kronos

    Ok, Millenial.

    You can’t get a job in Trump’s economy? Seriously? This is the lowest unemployment rate since the 60s! Try launching in Ford and Carter’s.

    Maybe you really need to get off iSteve and get to work beating the bushes.

    • Troll: Owen C.
    • Replies: @Kronos
  126. @Mark in BC

    Little Pete grew up right next to the Dovers, Ben and Ilene.

  127. ziggurat says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Increasingly, the People of Color are also among the People of Complaining.

    Given that’s the case, what employer would want to hire a PoC? At what point does all the whining lead to less hiring?

  128. @YetAnotherAnon

    “to avoid becoming another Japan, we need to let more immigrants in”

    I think the actual argument is more like: To avoid becoming another America, we need to let more immigrants in”.

    Or maybe, To avoid remaining America, we need to let more immigrants in.

    Or probably really just: Shut up. We’re letting more immigrants in. Now drink your soy, eat your bug burger, take your opium pills, go back to your pod and die, cracker.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  129. Lot says:
    @J.Ross

    Guy’s twitter makes it clear.

  130. njguy73 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’d advise the young male readers to find a high-earning woman, marry her, and be a stay-at-home dad.

    Yeah, you read that right. Let her spend 60 hours a week in a cubicle. Grow your own food, homeschool your kids, have time for your hobbies, and be her bedroom plaything.

    You may now commence the name-calling.

    • Agree: Laurence Whelk
  131. njguy73 says:
    @Senor Moose

    Yes, Mayor Pete is a vacuous careerist, and we’re sick and tired of vacuous careerists in government.

    So how do we get a slacker in the White House?

  132. Kronos says:
    @AnotherDad

    I’ve been employed for years. I’m a modern day Yeoman Farmer amongst my generation. I have no debts and own my car outright. My generation’s issues are more related to underemployment and lack of opportunity advancements.

    Its my hope that Trump (and Sanders reformed Democratic Party) can help bring back/maintain good quality manufacturing jobs in the US.

    • Agree: Alden
  133. Alden says:
    @Russ

    Dad founded a Gramsci memorial society.

    So that’s why Buttgreig despite being a White man , was accepted at Harvard and Oxford,was a Rhodes Scholar and is running for President at 37. Marxist BLM anti fa connections are the only thing that gets a White man anywhere.

    It used to be the Masons and the Knights of Columbus Not any more

    • Replies: @Kronos
  134. njguy73 says:
    @Mark in BC

    The term “person of color” implies that someone is a person first, and an ethnicity second. The term “colored person” does not.

    I don’t make it up, I just report it.

  135. @691

    Why are they working for this campaign? Yes, as mercenaries. Their main talent seems to be to infiltrate organizations run by productive people, then whine about their low status (which is where they should be, actually), and if the leaders are white liberals and easy to manipulate, they get some money out of it. Rinse and repeat.

  136. Buttigieg appears to be an extremely intelligent and capable individual, who would probably make a good president or holder of a cabinet level position, but it is unlikely that he will be elected president due to being openly gay and married to a man. The US is just not ready for a first gentleman presidential consort holding hands with the president at the inauguration, and the African American section of the Democratic Party will not vote for him in numbers, nor will most older voters.

    That narrows it down to a Sanders/Warren or Warren/Sanders ticket. In a show of unity they might give the position of Secretary of State to Buttigieg, just as Obama gave Hillary that position in exchange for her endorsement.

    This still leaves the Democratic ticket without a high-level black face, which is a problem, but they may still work out something. Perhaps Biden will be given an honorary position as a glove puppet in exchange for his support.

    It is a common phenomenon that at the early primary stage a party seems hopelessly divided, as were the Republicans before Donald Trump emerged from the pack, but once the leader is chosen, a party can rapidly coalesce and the leader quickly grows in stature.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Art Deco
    , @Reg Cæsar
  137. Alden says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    LOL

    Isn’t soldiering and war the epitome of toxic masculinity?? It’s basically killing other men.

    Kill enough men till the opposition gives up.

    Or don’t kill Opposition men and get your military men and your civilians killed and your land pillaged and looted.

    I suppose West Point considers toxic masculinity doing better at hand to hand combat than your 4’10 80 pd Asian affirmative action girl cadet opponent.

    One suggestion to rid West Point of toxic masculinity; get rid of those buzz cuts. Nice thick layered hair just to the bottom of the ear would be nice. Buzz cuts, like gross layers of steroid muscle are icky.

  138. Alden says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Supposedly Hildabeast is talking about running again. Wall Street would back her as she is already its puppet. Sanders Warren Wall st would have to work on a bit.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  139. @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Hahaaa! I’m sorry, Mr. Desanex above – I liked yours too, but I like that limerick meter.

    This was possibly your best ever, not Mr. Tilley.

  140. Mic says:

    Shouldn’t we refer to white people as people of white?

    • Replies: @anon
  141. @Art Deco

    That’s quite the little jeremiad you wrote there!
    Not that I disagree with any of it, mind you.

  142. @njguy73

    Sounds like a plan, particularly if you don’t mind society crashing and burning all around you, because there aren’t enough competent people to run it any more.

  143. @691

    I suspect Buttigieg, if elected, might lose control over his own administration. He seems so vacuous and desperate to win that he will give away prime jobs to diversity candidates, who will have no loyalty to a white guy and undermine his authority.

    Worse, he might do that with a white guy, like John Bolton for instance.

    Treachery: It Comes in All Colors!

  144. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mic

    Shouldn’t we refer to white people as people of white?

    I believe those are “people of Whiteness“, and we all know where that leads.

    • Replies: @Realist
  145. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Say what you want about the negroes and steezers, they don’t really want to support a gay white male.

    They have a healthier instinct than we do in such matters, even if blacks are statistically more likely to be on the down low than whites and “Latinos” (sic) (whether actual latins, mestizos or indios) view gayness as a matter of who does what than who does who.

    • Replies: @guest
  146. Felix M says:

    “ … staff members of color said they believed that senior Buttigieg officials didn’t listen to their concerns and ideas …”

    Remember, “listen to” means “accept”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  147. danand says:
    @istevefan

    “Of course the WaPo is concerned we will become Japan.”

    Istevefan, of course they are concerned, stagnant population growth is a disaster if you’re amongst the rentier class/group. As Japan has demonstrated over the past 3 decades, population stability may not be quite so terrible for the majority of the citizens.

  148. Remember, “listen to” means “accept”.

    Exactly, just as Steve has explained: “Have a conversation” means “STFU”

  149. El Dato says:

    Buttigieg advisers say the retreat was part of an ongoing effort to foster a progressive culture that empowered employees of color.

    I’m so tired of this permanent ego-electrification bullshit that I picture such a “retreat” to feature little aluminum cans in the various colors of The Peoples of Color, containing caffeine, taurine and meetooine as well as foreign spices, magic dirt and, most importantly, extracts from the tears of oppression and the emotional burdens. These can be sampled, so that everybody is greatly empowered at day’s end, can go home and complain energetically on the bus about all the pervading racism and persistent invisibility.

    • Replies: @SFG
  150. Svevlad says:

    You’d expect the descendants of conquistadors and ultraviolent barbarians who flay people and do human sacrifice to not be crybabies…

    Truly a fucked up world we live in…

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  151. SFG says:
    @njguy73

    There *is* a pretty good argument for marrying a woman with good earning potential in the age of no-fault divorce–it weakens her ability to claim alimony. Feminism for unfeminist reasons!

    Actually being a househusband, though, tends to be poorly looked on by women. Even the ones who say they are cool with it tend to lose respect for you when you make less money. If you are very, very attractive they may like to keep you around for sex, but that is like saying Quentin Tarantino can marry women 20 years his junior so it is a viable option. It won’t work for most guys.

    • Replies: @anon
  152. SFG says:
    @El Dato

    There was a pair of black women selling a ‘white privilege’ guilt kit for $100. I forget what was in it (it obviously cost far less than that), but I thought it was pretty funny.

  153. SFG says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    You know, when you see group X doing something that makes them less effective, you often say, “They’re going to get killed”, meaning they will be defeated or outcompeted.

    This time, it is horrifyingly literal.

  154. @YetAnotherAnon

    Japan doesn’t just beat the US in nearly every metric that matters, it does so by leagues. But since Japan is still a relatively monolithic society–made up of actual Japanese–it must be vilified by the MSM in every way possible. Meanwhile, the Japanese get to enjoy a civilized society where everything works, while we watch our own once-great nation crumble and burn. But we do have the absolute best Diversity Training, so there.

    • Replies: @donvonburg
  155. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Buttigieg appears to be an extremely intelligent and capable individual,

    When you’re mayor of a core city in this country, you have one job: see to it that street crime is suppressed and stays suppressed. Crime got marginally worse during his reign in South Bend and is higher than you’d expect given the demographics of St. Joseph County. One observer of his administration referred to his policy preferences as ‘Richard Florida-style flashy’. He’s running for President because his paths to higher office in Indiana are blocked.

    The most salient activity Barack Obama ever engaged in was running the Chicago Annenberg Challenge into the ground, so Booty-gig’s candidacy does have a certain precedent: Ivy League poseur with a history of failure theatre.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  156. Realist says:

    This country is really in goddamn bad shape. This what happens when idiots are allowed to vote.

  157. Realist says:
    @anon

    I believe those are “people of Whiteness“, and we all know where that leads.

    Yes, in general it leads to greatness and innovation.

  158. – Been interrupted or talked over
    – Been left off a relevant email chain
    – Not invited to a meeting directly related to your job
    – Idea was ignored or dismissed without explanation
    – Someone else taking credit for your idea or insight (even accidentally)
    – Been called the name of a different staff member

    Good grief. No one who has had any meaningful job, whether corporate, academic, military, governmental –any job at all aside from perhaps drudgery at McDonald’s and such (and only then because email and meetings are not involved; the others still apply) has experienced every single one of these things, and experiences most of them multiple times each month. These slights and annoyances have no more to do with racism than does, say, becoming stuck in traffic or having one’s order at a restaurant botched.

  159. guest says:

    “Half-day retreat”

    What’s that, like a long lunch?

    We used to call these bitch sessions, by the way. But that probably wouldn’t go over well.

    Certain people–let’s call them emotionally disturbed–are always going on about the emotional labor they must endure. Somehow the emotions I have being annoyed by them never count as wotk.

  160. kihowi says:
    @Clyde

    That’s the opposite of how politics work. You don’t want a ticket that appeals to your own voters, you want one that appeals to the other guy’s. That’s why they like Biden so much; they think, possibly correctly, that working class people like him.

  161. guest says:
    @Anonymous

    They are less pozzed, but really that’s because they don’t matter. Yet.

    The ones who do matter are pozzed themselves.

  162. Pericles says:
    @Colin Wright

    One week later:


    “Da’Quon?”
    “Yes, Mayor Pete?”
    “What happened to that position paper? We needed it for the donor meeting last night.”
    “Sheeeiiit.”

  163. Pericles says:
    @Art Deco

    Just like nobody cared that Sarah Palin had done the same.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  164. Pericles says:
    @Lot

    Last I heard the US govt wanted to revert the sale. That database is too hot to handle, lol.

    … the United States’ definition of national security threats has expanded, in part over concerns by the Trump administration and lawmakers about China’s ability to gain access to critical American technology.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/us/politics/grindr-china-national-security.html

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  165. @VivaLaMigra

    I got out of the newspaper biz before all that stuff, but corporate did hand down an official directive to find black people we could include in stories that were NOT about race or crime. White guilt was a big thing in the workplace even 40 years ago.

  166. @J.Ross

    I see this all the time. A person will have a lengthy, detailed conversation about complicated laws with her lawyer in the courthouse’s corridor, all in fluent English, and then when the courtroom is opened and the bailiff and clerk are making all the preparations before the judge enters, that same litigant’s hand shoots up when the bailiff asks whether any litigants will be needing a translator for the proceedings.

  167. @Anon

    And, if specific tasks need to be done requiring the employment of a specialist in the field, hiring qualified people.

  168. @YetAnotherAnon

    Because it would be awful to live in a prosperous, low-crime country with a positive trade balance, full employment, amazing tech and world technical leadership?

    The big drawback is that it’s super-crowded, but the magic of immigration, I’m sure, can fix that too!

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  169. @Hypnotoad666

    A is not an option for companies doing work for the Fed Govt, however. Quotas and contracts with minority owned businesses are mandatory. It is money with strings attached; very sticky strings, like spider webbing.

  170. @YetAnotherAnon

    The Economist, Guardian, NYTimes and Time magazine push the line that Japan must open itself to unlimited immigration of 3rd worlders if it is to continue to grow economically. In light of what you have just presented it becomes apparent that the idea really is to handicap them with dead-weight diversity.

    What the above are tacitly admitting is that we can’t compete on a level playing field as we are currently constituted; i.e., their diversity scheme results in a second-rate economy. But they can’t acknowledge this publicly because it would be tantamount to admitting that they are unqualified idiots.

    This is a sad state of affairs. To cover their mistakes they need ever more power to suppress dissent and truthful reporting on just how badly they have screwed up, hence the ramping up of our surveillance and police state and lies in our media.

  171. @Bill Jones

    “There’s a reason there’s not much of a line at the Vishnu Airlines desk at the airport.”

    I flew economy on Jet Airways and was pleasantly surprised. Pity they are now bankrupt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Airways#Links_to_underworld

    I’m bad news for airlines, WOW Air (Iceland) have also vanished.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  172. Jack D says:
    @Felix M

    More like “obey”. And a “conversation” means a lecture about how evil whitey is and a bunch of demands that should be met, most of which involve granting vibrant types special forms of immunity – no arrests for “minor” crimes, immediate release without bail, etc.

    • Replies: @anon
  173. Art Deco says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It’s not hell to live there, but they’ve given up on life. Their total fertility rate is 40% below replacement level. It’s as if they sprung from the imagination of PD James.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  174. @Felix M

    … staff members of color said they believed that senior Buttigieg officials didn’t listen to their concerns and ideas …

    Remember, “listen to” means “accept”.

    We must be fair, that’s not just a PoC thing.

    When my wife says I don’t listen to her, it translates as “you may have heard what I said, but you don’t agree with me and I think you ought to“.

    The usual context is either buying new stuff (esp furniture), house/garden remodelling, or booking holidays.

    • Replies: @anon
  175. @Art Deco

    When you’re mayor of a core city in this country, you have one job: see to it that street crime is suppressed and stays suppressed. Crime got marginally worse during his reign in South Bend and is higher than you’d expect given the demographics of St. Joseph County.

    Is there an established formula for reducing street crime then? As a McKinsey consultant I would certainly expect Buttigieg to be aware of the established strategies for reducing street crime.

    I was also referring to Buttigiegs career path in general. You do not get to be a Rhodes scholar, then a naval intelligence officer working in areas of antiterrorism and then get hired by McKinsey while still in your 20’s, then get to be elected mayor of a city before the age of 30 without having some serious smarts.

    Although young, it could be argued that he has more hands-on relevant experience than someone like Hillary Clinton at the same age, or any age.

    It is very difficult to establish what kind of resume is best for a future president. Usually they are lawyers and/or military veterans, but it is relatively rare to find candidates who have been standouts in more than one career field.

    Buttigieg’s best career move would be to undergo conversion therapy, marry a nice girl, and raise some biological kids, but that is unlikely to happen.

  176. CCZ says:
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    “WHITE PEOPLE OPERATE AT A DIFFERENT LEVEL, IN SPEED, EFFICIENCY,” because time is racist!!

    Brittney Cooper, Assistant Professor, Department of Africana Studies / Women’s and Gender Studies, Rutgers University (all this for only $103,000 a year).

    What if I told you that time has a race, a race in the contemporary way that we understand race in the United States? Typically, we talk about race in terms of black and white issues. In the African-American communities from which I come, we have a long-standing multi-generational joke about what we call “CP time,” or “colored people’s time.” Now, we no longer refer to African-Americans as “colored,” but this long-standing joke about our perpetual lateness to church, to cookouts, to family events and even to our own funerals, remains.

    But today, I want to talk to you more about the political nature of time, for if time had a race, it would be white. White people own time.

    Time has a history, and so do black people. But we treat time as though it is timeless, as though it has always been this way, as though it doesn’t have a political history bound up with the plunder of indigenous lands, the genocide of indigenous people and the stealing of Africans from their homeland.

    So if we’re really ready to talk about the future, perhaps we should begin by admitting that we’re out of time. We black people have always been out of time. Time does not belong to us. Our lives are lives of perpetual urgency. Time is used to displace us, or conversely, we are urged into complacency through endless calls to just be patient.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/03/29/707189797/brittney-cooper-how-has-time-been-stolen-from-people-of-color

  177. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    Their current population is around 120 million and it’s gradually expected to fall to around 80 million by 2100 (long term projections can be off by quite a bit). Their population in 1950 was around 80 million and no one complained that Japan didn’t have enough people at that time. Even then it was a pretty crowded place because most of Japan is mountainous and only the coastal areas are habitable. An 80 million person Japan would be perfectly fine. Most of the population loss seems to be coming from rural areas where no one wants to live anymore (Japanese farms are still too small for efficient production and have been kept going only by trade barriers) and Tokyo 2100 will probably still be as crowded and lively as ever.

    If we could get the US back to 200 million population I think it would be nicer than it is now, especially if the demographics matched those in 1968 as well. But, think of the billionaires – how could Bezos survive on only 200 million consumers?

  178. Jack D says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    As a McKinsey consultant I would certainly expect Buttigieg to be aware of the established strategies for reducing street crime.

    Here’s a hint: they involve putting more black people in jail. Being aware of them and being willing/politically able to implement them are two different things, especially in the era of Black Lives Matter.

    Buttigieg’s best career move would be to undergo conversion therapy

    Conversion therapy doesn’t work. Could you undergo therapy that would make you gay and cause you to lose all desire for women? Anyway as a career matter everyone already knows that Mr. B. is gay.

  179. @Jonathan Mason

    This still leaves the Democratic ticket without a high-level black face…

    It’s time to call in Ralph Northam!

  180. anon[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG

    Actually being a househusband, though, tends to be poorly looked on by women.

    Humans are not robots or rational machines, we have “programming” that dates back to the neolithic. Evolution doesn’t stop at the neck. Hypergamy is real. This article has blind spots but documents some of the facts.

    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200121-why-promoted-women-are-more-likely-to-divorce

  181. @ben tillman

    The big drawback is that it’s super-crowded, but the magic of immigration, I’m sure, can fix that too!

    Uh, they have another island with a much lower population density:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hokkaido+japan&t=ffab&iax=images&ia=images

    If you need some urban time Sapporo is right there.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  182. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Is there an established formula for reducing street crime then? As a McKinsey consultant I would certainly expect Buttigieg to be aware of the established strategies for reducing street crime.

    There are best practices developed over the last 30 years. He’s like Michael Dukakis. Crime control is just not something that interests him.

  183. @Art Deco

    The white English population had a TFR of 1.6 last time anyone did the figures by ethnic group (2004). That’s not far off Japan’s 1.42, and I imagine the English figure is way down since then, due to low wages and high house prices.

    What’s the TFR for white Americans?

    • Replies: @black sea
  184. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    What Mr. Derbyshire said: political intelligence isn’t well correlated with the other kind. He’s a walking resume, and it’s a passable wager that every thing he’s ever done has been a resume-building exercise. I think we can be confident the major media will transmit his preferred narrative and not ask questions, because that’s what they do. So, no one’s going to ask how he got a direct commission in the Naval Reserve, or point out how one’s experience of Navy life in that circumstance would differ from that of an ordinary sailor or naval officer. No one’s going to ask him to demonstrate his facility in any of those languages he supposedly knows, or ask just when he had the time to learn any of them, or ask which dialect of Norwegian he learned to read that one book. No one’s going to dig into his personal history in real time (except maybe elements of the gay press who’ve a catty dislike of the man), and any Kantor-style biographer who does will be sure to frame what they learn in a particular way.

    It is very difficult to establish what kind of resume is best for a future president.

    Perhaps so. From previous experience, we can suggest:

    1. A history in consequential federal posts (approx eight years).

    2. A history as a public executive (perhaps 8 years, time as a private-sector executive possibly a substitute).

    3. A tour in Congress (about 4 years. Long enough to learn process but not so long as to absorb the place’s horrid institutional culture).

    4. A considerable history in a line of work other than electoral politics (say, about 15 years in toto, witn ~11 years in one particular occupation). One’s experience of f/t year-round electoral politics (as an office-holder or staffer) should prior to age 40 be close to nil.

    5. A stint in the military. (PB’s direct commission work doesn’t quite cut it).

    6. An orderly domestic life. (Again, Chasten doesn’t cut it).

    7. Some miles on the odometer (a corollary of point 4; our better presidents have tended to be men over 60).

  185. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Buttigieg’s best career move would be to undergo conversion therapy, marry a nice girl, and raise some biological kids, but that is unlikely to happen.

    Whether or not counseling and psychotherapy are ever a good use of your time and your money, that’s not going to improve your marketability in the current cultural environment.

    The problem with Buttigieg is that he’s all career moves (except to the extent that he manifests the social prejudices of the milieux in which he has spent his life). It wouldn’t surprise me if Chasten’s a career move. His account of his personal odyssey does not ring true.

    About Buttigieg’s tenure in South Bend, he’d have had to persuade the municipal council to approve a sales tax increase in order to increase the number of police officers (and been attacked by the local newspaper for suggesting it), hire outside consultants to assist SB police set up something like New York’s COMPSTAT system, &c. So, he’d have to confront the public, the elected officials, and the extant institutional culture of the municipal police force. The difficulties with that aside, the premise of it all – that people behave badly because you let them – is at war with the liberal mentality in this country. Liberals want to give people things, not hit them with truncheons. Also, in the sort of milieux in which he’s spent his life, it’s low class to take an interest in street crime or potholes or school discipline (except, sotto voce, when your own children are under threat).

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  186. On Jan. 1, the campaign’s national engagement coordinator, Raven Hollins, circulated a survey soliciting examples of microaggressions in the workplace, asking that only people of color complete it.

    I couldn’t locate a picture of Raven Hollins, but odds are…

    “Jan. 1”?! – don’t these poor “emotionally weight(ed)” failing campaign pander tokens get New Years Day off?

    If I had been “asked” not to respond to the micro-aggression survey, I would have filled it out anyway, checking “other” and writing in “Raven attempted, unsuccessfully, to exclude me from taking this survey.” Also, “Pete is always talking about ‘white supremacists’ and I’m beginning to think he means me.”

    OT: is there really any difference between “people of color” and “colored people” – would it matter to you if I called you a “person of stupidity” instead of a “stupid person”?

  187. anon[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “Listen” means “accept” in this context:

    YetAnotherAnon
    We must be fair, that’s not just a PoC thing.

    When my wife says I don’t listen to her, it translates as “you may have heard what I said, but you don’t agree with me and I think you ought to“.

    Therefore PoC (actually…black people) tend to act and act out in an emotional fashion, much like white women. This should not be news to anyone, but in current Woke-world it’s a forbidden thought.

  188. But for some reason the survey didn’t ask if any white person had touched your hair, which is a mesoaggression in itself.

    Steve, I don’t know who “Fenty” is, nor Taraji P. Henson, but this must be a VERY IMPORTANT STORY.

    https://theglowup.theroot.com/taraji-p-henson-wants-to-be-the-fenty-of-haircare-1841306792

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  189. Lurker says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Wouldn’t this front operation – the unhidden figures – be even more diverse though?

  190. anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    The main new “right” that American blacks obtained during the Obama period is the defacto constitutional right to run from police. Talk about thinking small. It’s in the shadow bill of rights right after the zeroth amendment.

  191. theMann says:
    @anon

    I just laughed until I got a nosebleed. I feel so…….wrong.

  192. anarchyst says:
    @Jack D

    Your statement:
    “Conversion therapy doesn’t work” is false in many cases.
    Most homosexuals start out as pre-pubescent males who are “introduced” to the “lifestyle” by ADULT homosexuals. Since their sexual norms are not yet set or fully developed, it is easy to convince young males that they are “homosexual”. Such destructive behavior by adult homosexual “recruiters” damages these young people for life. There are many successful conversions just as there is no homosexual “gene”.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  193. @Jack D

    Here’s a hint: they involve putting more black people in jail.

    There are already loads of black people in jail and prison, but perhaps they should stay in jail longer. It may be more the justice system that is responsible than mayors.

    Another solution would be to have community policing by paramilitaries as is still common in Northern Ireland where street level criminals are adminstered community punishments such as “kneecapping” for offenses like drug dealing.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/15/mother-son-kneecapped-northern-ireland-brexit-border

    One night, Majella O’Donnell took her teen-age son Philly to be shot in both legs. Majella, Philly and his shooters all live within an extraordinary community in Derry, Northern Ireland. ‘The Troubles’ officially ended in 1998, but this community is still at war. They do not accept the government or police. All this happens within the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom. How do you bring your son to be shot? What happens afterwards? How does family life continue? How does a community respond? When do wars really end? For five years, Sinéad O’Shea has filmed this shocking portrait of a post-conflict society.

    • Replies: @donvonburg
  194. @istevefan

    To avoid becoming another Japan… –Suketu Mehta

    Because the Calcutta of his birth and the Bombay of his youth are the models we should look to.

  195. @Sean

    Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar said that a [normal person] with Buttigieg’s lack of experience could never have been a serious presidential candidate.

    Fixed it, Amy.

    Pete, by the way, mayored a much larger city than Jesse Ventura’s Brooklyn Park.

    without regard to that hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman

    Coming from someone who hired John Randolph to be his spokesman, this is particularly rich.

  196. @Svevlad

    You’d expect the descendants of conquistadors and ultraviolent barbarians who flay people and do human sacrifice to not be crybabies…

    Truly a fucked up world we live in…

    I know, right?

    Go read about Viking society.

    If heritage Americans started conducting themselves like Vikings the vibrants would be begging, absolutely begging to live as our slaves.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  197. @Pericles

    Just like nobody cared that Sarah Palin had done the same.

    Except that running an entire state detached from the lower 48 is a lot more challenging than running a quiet Midwestern metro of ~320k or so.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  198. @Pericles

    Last I heard the US govt wanted to revert the sale. That database is too hot to handle, lol.

    The Deep State, particularly in the diplomatic and intelligence branches, is rife with dykes/homos/queers/pedos/trannies and other assorted freaks that are low-hanging fruit (pun most definitely intended) for blackmail.

  199. @The Wild Geese Howard

    If you need some urban time Sapporo is right there.

    http://urbankchoze.blogspot.com/2014/06/sapporo-relevant-japanese-model-for.html

    Sapporo is a baby among Old World cities, founded in 1868. I’ve read the grid was inspired by Kansas City’s, but can’t confirm this. American advisors were there from the beginning.

    Grids are rare in Japan. Nagoya’s is about the only very old one. Sapporo even has a hotel called Grids– which must give old San Franciscans the creeps.

  200. @Art Deco

    The problem with Buttigieg is that he’s all career moves (except to the extent that he manifests the social prejudices of the milieux in which he has spent his life). It wouldn’t surprise me if Chasten’s a career move. His account of his personal odyssey does not ring true.

    This could be true, especially joining the military. It seems that being gay, he perhaps felt that if he was to have a career in politics, he needed to have something to counter the gayness in his resume.

    I would imagine that young Buttigieg decided at a relatively young age that he would like to pursue a career in politics. Certainly by the time he was a Rhodes scholar he will have been well aware that a significant number of Rhodes scholars had gone into politics, and that Oxford University alumni had included numerous heads of state, some of the most recent being Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Benazir Bhutto, and Imran Khan.

    In fact even as a high school valedictorian Buttigieg had won a prize and met Caroline Kennedy and other members of the Kennedy family as part of his prize. Bill Clinton had also met JFK as a schoolboy, so there was probably already a sense of building a leadership resume.

    However, the problem may be more that not enough of our brightest and best young people are willing to devote themselves to public service (or the pursuit of power, depending on how you see it), rather than that some deliberately pursue it.

    Incidentally, since Buttigieg’s orginal major was in literature, (he is the son of a professor of literature at Notre Dame University) he may already have been somewhat familiar with Old English and Old Norse, so learning enough modern Norwegian to read a book might not have bee the stretch that it appears–although still remarkable by the standards of most politicians who struggle to repeat a few phrases in simple Spanish for TV and radio commercials.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Autochthon
  201. @YetAnotherAnon

    WOW Air (Iceland) have also vanished.

    Really? I liked those purple 757’s.

  202. @njguy73

    You may now commence the name-calling.

    What do you know about homeschooling, son? You’re from G-Damn New Jersey!

    How’s that? ;-}

    • Replies: @njguy73
  203. @Alden

    I got $5 that says HRC will be the nominee. Loser pays Steve. Any takers?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @Jim Don Bob
  204. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    he may already have been somewhat familiar with Old English and Old Norse,

    I think you’ve confused him with Tolkien.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  205. Cato says:
    @eah

    I’d kinda like to keep it: Always liked that line about “wretched refuse from your teeming shore.”

  206. dfordoom says: • Website
    @anarchyst

    “Conversion therapy doesn’t work” is false in many cases.
    Most homosexuals start out as pre-pubescent males who are “introduced” to the “lifestyle” by ADULT homosexuals. Since their sexual norms are not yet set or fully developed, it is easy to convince young males that they are “homosexual”. Such destructive behavior by adult homosexual “recruiters” damages these young people for life. There are many successful conversions just as there is no homosexual “gene”.

    I’m inclined to think that much of what you say is probably true.

    • Agree: Dissident
  207. Pericles says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    As we all recall, such accomplishments do not matter to the MSM when judging competence.

    (With that said, please don’t elect Buttman, America.)

  208. @Mr McKenna

    Japan is an expensive, crowded place with lots of regulation and daily life there can quickly become a hassle for gaijin. I know more Japanese who have moved to the US and liked it well enough to stay (though albeit always in places like Southern California, or the NYC or DC areas) than the other way around.

    I was offered a job there by a company, mostly unknown in the US, which makes a lot of guitars for the Japanese domestic and other Asian markets, and occasionally OEM “ghost builds” for a couple of US companies. At the time my (now ex-) wife worked for an airline and I was able to fly Space A for a nominal fee to Japan, so I “surprised” them and showed up. The meeting did not go that well and I went back home, having decided that Japan was a nice place to visit but not to live for very long as a foreigner. I later met the man they did hire and he told me that it was a nightmare. All the cities are intensely crowded and getting anything done is accomplished only with great effort, everything costs a lot more, finding clothes that fit is a major challenge, etc, etc. He was well paid but that money did not go far over there.

    One could say that Japan exactly suits Japanese, and is not a terribly welcome place for anyone else. That is precisely its advantage in the world.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  209. @Jonathan Mason

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/15/mother-son-kneecapped-northern-ireland-brexit-border

    One night, Majella O’Donnell took her teen-age son Philly to be shot in both legs. Majella, Philly and his shooters all live within an extraordinary community in Derry, Northern Ireland. ‘The Troubles’ officially ended in 1998, but this community is still at war. They do not accept the government or police. All this happens within the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom. How do you bring your son to be shot? What happens afterwards? How does family life continue? How does a community respond? When do wars really end? For five years, Sinéad O’Shea has filmed this shocking portrait of a post-conflict society.

    Wow. I would tend to think any normal parent would want to move themselves and their families out of a zoo like that. If they want to be part of the Republic of Ireland that bad, why not just move south?

    • Replies: @Smithsonian_2
  210. @donvonburg

    Wow. I would tend to think any normal parent would want to move themselves and their families out of a zoo like that. If they want to be part of the Republic of Ireland that bad, why not just move south?

    Private individuals shooting drug dealers is a surprisingly effective method for keeping that degenerate poison off the streets. I expect that it will catch on on the British mainland too, since UK police spend more time worrying about people sending wrongthink tweets than they do about catching pakistani heroin pedlers.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    , @Anonymous
  211. Dissident says:
    @Jack D

    Conversion therapy doesn’t work.

    That is a rather bold assertion to make without qualification.

    To be sure, skepticism is warranted. I do not accept, as I have seen at least some promoters of the therapies-in-question claim, that they are 100% effective in changing the sexual proclivities from hetero to homo of anyone sufficiently committed to doing so. Or, allowing for a failure rate, that such a process, even when ultimately successfull, can be expected to be quick, easy, painless or without risks of its own.

    But is it any more credbible to assert that such redirection can never, in any case, to any degree, be achieved? Where is the evidence? How to explain The Lesbian Past of Bill de Blasio’s Wife? Or the case of John Maynard Keynes, who, according to our host at least, “converted, permanently, from a homosexual lifestyle to a heterosexual lifestyle”?

    Do you think the prevailing Woke orthodoxy would ever permit any honest, objective study or investigation in this area? Can you imagine, in the present climate, any conclusions that contradicted any of the essential claims and premises of said orthodoxy ever being accepted?

    As with similarly sensitive matters of HBD, if there is one thing we can know with certainty about such questions it is that any honest pursuit of answers to them will simply not be allowed (and those who dare to defy the enforcers of Goodthink will be punished).

    • Replies: @Jack D
  212. Kronos says:
    @Alden

    It used to be the Masons and the Knights of Columbus Not any more

    Are those networks still worth anything?

  213. njguy73 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No, I don’t have personal knowledge of homeschooling. But I read about it and wonder if it’s an untapped opportunity. All these overeducated, underemployed young people might do well if they started homeschooling co-ops.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  214. Jack D says:
    @Dissident

    I was speaking about men. Women seem to have more fluid gender identities, such as “Lesbian until graduation.”

    It is entirely possible for men to learn not to act upon their homosexual impulses just as it is possible for men to become celibate upon taking the priesthood or to give up smoking. But this does not change the fundamental programming of their brain. Do you think that, with the proper therapy, you could be converted to a homosexual, such that you would no longer be stimulated by the sight of attractive women and would only fantasize about or enjoy relations with men? If gay conversion one way is possible then it should be possible the other way. Let’s say that you moved to Buggerland and decided to or were forced to undertake such a program in order to further your career or stay out of jail (in Buggerland, having sex with women is a crime). You might be able to publicly fake it, but what are the odds that it would really work down to your innermost core?

  215. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    But this does not change the fundamental programming of their brain.

    Here’s your unwarranted assumption right here.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  216. @donvonburg

    That last paragraph of yours is thought-provoking and doubtless accurate as well as meaningful. They’ve arranged their country to suit themselves, for their own purposes.

  217. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    You didn’t answer my question – do you think that you could be reprogrammed to be gay (assuming that you are not gay already)?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Johann Ricke
  218. @Laurence Whelk

    Steve, I don’t know who “Fenty” is,

    I think Fenty is the real surname of the singer known as Rihanna.

  219. JMcG says:
    @Smithsonian_2

    The IRA are only shooting the other drug dealers. They are the very scum of the earth. There is no crime that they aren’t involved in. They don’t even pretend to be interested in a united Ireland any more.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  220. @njguy73

    You asked for name-calling – I gave it to you. No offense at all intended, New Jersey guy. This was just a line from a movie from way, way, back. I enjoy your comments. Sorry that fun doesn’t come through very well sometimes…

    Right at 1:00 in:

    • Replies: @njguy73
  221. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    You didn’t answer my question –

    Your question doesn’t interest me. Pointing out your unwarranted assumption was my purpose, and that assumption is not something you’re going to acknowledge.

  222. njguy73 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m not like other online commenters. I want to be challenged. I want to hear objections. That’s why I like this blog. I have to bring my A-game.

  223. dfordoom says: • Website
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Go read about Viking society.

    If heritage Americans started conducting themselves like Vikings the vibrants would be begging, absolutely begging to live as our slaves.

    Aren’t the descendants of the Vikings currently begging to live as slaves of the vibrants?

  224. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jack D

    But this does not change the fundamental programming of their brain. Do you think that, with the proper therapy, you could be converted to a homosexual

    There is a difference. If you try to convert people from homosexuality to heterosexuality you’re simply trying to convert them back to normality.

    And we know next to nothing about the fundamental programming of the brain. We certainly don’t know that homosexuals have brains that are fundamentally differently programmed. It’s possible that some do. And it’s possible that many are cultural homosexuals. It is quite likely that a considerable number of homosexuals today have in fact been converted by the informal conversion therapies known as the media, schools and universities.

    It’s also highly likely that some male homosexuals are simply slaves to excessive sexual appetites. If you’re heterosexual you’re not going to get have several hundred sexual partners a year. But if you join the male homosexual lifestyle you can.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  225. Dissident says:
    @JMcG

    The IRA are only shooting the other drug dealers. They are the very scum of the earth. There is no crime that they aren’t involved in. They don’t even pretend to be interested in a united Ireland any more.

    I dare not interject myself in such intra-Irish conflicts. It so happens, however, that I read your comment after having been listening to some bootleg recordings of live U2 performances from their 1987 Joshua Tree tour that I recently, much to my pleasant surprise, came across online. These recorded performances include, of course, the overtly political song about The Troubles Sunday Bloody Sunday. But that one I mention here only because of the obvious, if only superficial, connection it has to the topic of this sub-thread.

    [MORE]

    The thoughts that I wish to share here were inspired, rather, primarily by two of the other songs on the recordings. One is an explicit tribute to Martin Luther King, Jr. (MLK), the other, an explicit attack upon apartheid South Africa (Silver and Gold). While I found the Goodwhite virtue-signalling and submission exhibited in both of these songs decidedly distasteful and detracting of what I otherwise mostly found a positive listening experience, it was the second song, and particularly the performer’s comments introducing and during and/or after it that I found utterly disgusting and literally cringe-inducing. (And I do mean literally and not figuratively.) Said comments included, in at least one of the performances that I have listened to thus far, a tribute to the late, unlamented Winnie Mandela (she of necklacing and machete infamy.)

    Here was the sordid, pathetic spectacle of White men not merely sanctimoniously signalling their imagined great virtue and moral superiority but also rather viciously, and seemingly quite gratuitously, attacking other Whites in South Africa. And that of a no doubt mostly, if not overwhelmingly White audience cheering on this exhibition of collective self-degradation, subjugation and submission.

    It’s not that I wish to champion or even necessarily defend, per se, the apartheid regime that existed in S. Africa at the time. Maybe it was reprehensible. Maybe it was even downright evil. I don’t know. But neither do I don’t think I really need to know– at least not for my point here. For how much did any of the members of the band (U2) that performed that night, or any of the many people present in their audience really know about the matter either? How many of them ever experienced being part of a White minority that is vastly outnumbered and surrounded by multitudes of Blacks?

    (I harbor no ill will toward Blacks, per se, nor to anyone else based merely on such accidents of birth as race, ethnicity, or national or religious origin.)

    What has become of U2’s native Ireland, now more than three decades since the Joshua Tree release that brought them such unprecedented success and fame? How much longer, barring some drastic change-of-course, before whatever Whites left in Ireland find themselves in a situation eerily similar to that of the remaining Whites in S. Africa today? Such thoughts, more than any other, were my reaction as I beheld, through the magic of technology, these nearly thirty-three years later the spectacles from November 1987 that I described above.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @JMcG
    , @Autochthon
  226. @Jonathan Mason

    However, the problem may be more that not enough of our brightest and best young people are willing to devote themselves to public service (or the pursuit of power, depending on how you see it), rather than that some deliberately pursue it.

    Elected offices should be viewed similarly to how Solomon handled the famous dispute about which woman was the baby’s mother: the person least bothered about being denied the office, and most willing to give it up, is almost certainly the one most worthy of it. I’m not quite sure how to operationalise that approach, but I’ve some ideas….

    • Agree: Dissident
  227. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dissident

    If you believe that blacks are just whites with darker skin then apartheid is abominable.

    The 1980s probably marked the high water mark of blank-slatist belief among Europeans. On the one hand, colonial times were long past, and the people who had spent long years in Africa and Asia were passing, so their ‘racist’ views were easily discounted. On the other hand, immigration was still small scale, so the average European had little personal contact with people of other races.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  228. Anonymous[109] • Disclaimer says:
    @Smithsonian_2

    Nobody trusts the police in Northern Ireland. People who talk to the police are called ‘informers’ and are not treated kindly by the paramilitaries.

  229. @Jack D

    You didn’t answer my question – do you think that you could be reprogrammed to be gay (assuming that you are not gay already)?

    Guessing and knowing are different things. If he’s not gay, he’s not gonna know. If he’s gay and hasn’t gone through it, he’s not gonna know either. The only way he’s gonna know for sure is if he goes through it, but only for a sample size of 1. And I say this as someone who thinks being gay might be a birth defect.

  230. JMcG says:
    @Dissident

    Well, Ireland has the worst possible political class and an even worse journalist class. I’m afraid it’s well down the slippery slope to disaster.
    There are pockets of people whom I know well and love and some wonderful places, but there are an awful lot of really low quality folks there as well along with many towns I wouldn’t set a foot in.
    Bono is a joke and has been a joke in Ireland for quite a few years now. He and his boys are widely mocked for their sanctimony.
    His hypocrisy was laid especially bare when U2 incorporated in Holland in order to avoid the Irish tax burden, such as it was. He’s a useless, nasty little toad.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  231. Art Deco says:

    A fellow who signs himself ‘Lurker21’ offers this forecast of Booty-gig’s trajectory:

    Buttigieg is actually running for something else: cabinet secretary, foundation or think-tank head, college president, DNC chief. He’ll get that job, move east, run for Congress, and pop up in the presidential race again in about ten years. By that time, he will have gotten lifts in his shoes, adopted a child, and dumped Chasten.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if every element in this scenario came to pass.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  232. @dfordoom

    Exactly. The other argument is more like “Rehab never works; if I try to convince you to become a heroin addict do I have any chance at all of success…?”

  233. @Dissident

    Trevor Rabin is South African. If you don’t know, he’s a white musical genius (most famous for work with Yes and on films’ soundtracks) and he is not a very crazed leftist as far as I know. He’s a very humble, down-to-earth guy.

    He left South Africa in part because he found aparthied too much, both morally and pragmatically. He could not meet a black friends at a restaurant, etc. When he has spoken of it, he does not go on and on like Peter Gabriel and the U2 lot handwringing, nor does he even speak about it much. Basically he says “It was reprehensible, I couldn’t put up with it, I did not want to be around it, and I left.”

    He doubtless knows far more about it than the Europeans and Americans who are much more melodramatic about it.

    Make of all that what you will.

    • Thanks: Dissident
  234. MNL says:
    @anon

    This connection–that Obama’s presidential run had the inadvertent byproduct of defeating gay marriage in California–was one of the most blatantly ignored facts ever in the MSM at the time. It was the elephant in the room. Steve was one of only a few to call it out.

    And Richard Raddon, the director of the Los Angeles Film Festival, was another public figure who lost his job by getting outed over his donation.

  235. Dissident says:
    @Jack D

    I was speaking about men. Women seem to have more fluid gender identities, such as “Lesbian until graduation.”

    Female sexuality may very well be more prone to fluidity but that doesn’t mean that male sexuality never is. Remember, my argument was never that conversion/re-orientation was easy or even necessarily always possible, only that I saw no compelling basis for the kind of categorical, unqualified dismissal of such therapy that you had made.

    I. Wasn’t John Maynard Keynes a man? In the same 2013 piece from Steve Sailer that I had quoted and linked-to in my previous post, he adds, concerning Keynes, that,

    He wasn’t under any particular social or career pressure at the time. He just switched his affections.

    Granted such a case, as our host described it, would appear to be quite rare. But assuming Mr. Sailer’s account is accurate, it would prove that such change can at least be possible; that the potential for it exists.

    II. At the very least, does it not seem plausible to you that even a male’s sexuality may, in at least some cases, remain fluid at least until some point before the completion of his adolescence?

    [MORE]
    The years of childhood and adolescence are called formative for a reason. Given all of the other aspects, traits and characteristics of the psyche whose ultimate formation is clearly highly subject to influences during said years, how much sense would it make for sexuality to be an exception?

    Do you simply dismiss all of the accounts from men of their homosexuality being a result of experiences they had, especially with an older male, while still a child or adolescent?

    III. Also, how do you account for instances of seemingly situational homosexuality, such as that which is commonplace in prisons?

    IV. Finally, to respond to the specific questions you had posed to me:

    1.) It is not beyond the realm of plausibility for me to imagine that sufficient conditioning could possibly achieve at least some degree of success in altering my sexuality. I would have to, however, be sufficiently motivated to make such a change as well as sufficiently committed to undergo the conditioning, which I can only imagine as having to be quite drastic in order to be effective.

    2.) I can certainly imagine my sexuality developing differently than it did had my experiences and influences during my formative years been sufficiently different than they were.

    3.) I agree with the points that dfordoom made in his comment above.

  236. Dissident says:
    @Anonymous

    The 1980s probably marked the high water mark of blank-slatist belief among Europeans. On the one hand, colonial times were long past, and the people who had spent long years in Africa and Asia were passing, so their ‘racist’ views were easily discounted. On the other hand, immigration was still small scale, so the average European had little personal contact with people of other races.

    Good point. Also, considerably less time had passed since the end of segregation in the U.S. and colonialism in Africa, the Caribbean, etc.. Thus the idea that such conditions were primarily to blame for Black dysfunction and lack of achievement seemed more plausible/credible back then. (I recall John Derbyshire making essentially this point some time back on Radio Derb.)

    I should mention, as well, that I wasn’t really any better at that time myself than any of those I had criticized. U2’s The Joshua Tree was released just before I turned 14 (no small part of why it is so evocative for me) and I was very much a product of the time. (Obviously, then, I had the excuse of my age for my foolishness, naivety, etc.) I had absorbed the Respectable Narrative that I was fed in school and on television, etc. I even went so far, when I was no older than 11 or so, to pin a photo of MLK up in my bedroom! I can recall feeling quite disillusioned when, years later, I first heard that he had been a serial adulterer, and later still, hearing even worse than that.

    Hearing what has become of Ireland, England/the UK, Germany, Sweden, etc. has been shocking and horrifying to me.

  237. Dissident says:
    @JMcG

    Thanks.

    I long ago realized that there is little-to-no correlation between talent and achievement in the arts and wisdom, sensibility, etc. or even decency.

  238. Muggles says:

    Re: people changing sexual orientation. There is a long list. Cary Grant, his cowboy actor lover Randolph Scott to mention two. Older men have a tough time in the gay world for obvious reasons.

    A number of Hollywood actresses have had lesbian lovers and male ones also.

    Pres. Obama is widely thought to have been an active gay while in his early 20s (don’t know exactly). According to reports he decided that being gay would not work in the “black community” though also claimed that changing was for better “emotional” compatibility, etc. This seems pretty likely.

    Ongoing rumors of his supposed gay proclivities, but just that. Also Michelle seems pretty masculine in part, features and “tough” demeanor. But that doesn’t prove anything much.

    I suspect some who try homosexual behavior when young decide subsequently it isn’t working for them. Sex isn’t necessarily “better” and being culturally gay/lesbian can be both limiting and even dangerous. Some are bisexual and later choose a permanent team. And we hear of many older men who “come out” late in life. So there is some fluidity in this for some. And the “down low” crowd.

    It is somewhat rarer for an active gay man to turn to women later, but not unheard of either.

    • Agree: Dissident
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