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Matthew Yglesias, whose son is (I believe) half old stock regular American, 3/8th Ashkenazi, and 1/8th Cuban and/or Spaniard, theorizes:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1425555384736092169

That’s assuming that US law and culture stop privileging sacred Diversity over despised whiteness.

In Australia, the opposite is happening:

Headlines constantly celebrate apparently 7/8ths white individuals as “First Indigenous Neurologist” or “First Aboriginal Gender Studies Tenured Professor” or whatever.

Since the Bolt decision of 2011, it’s been more or less illegal to joke in the Australian press about all the white people claiming the privileges of diversity.

 
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  1. That’s assuming that US law and culture stop privileging sacred Diversity over despised whiteness.

    One non-white grandparent if they stop, 2 if they don’t.

  2. But Yglesias and Alba also tell us that race is a social construct, so they won’t be able to notice any changes.

  3. So, just checking–if I can find some Spanish heritage in my 23&me, can I check “Hispanic”?

    • Replies: @ArthurinCali
    @JimDandy

    That's what I do every time. Also select Native American due to having more than E. Warren percentage too. But they say its a social construct so I mix it up depending on the mood of the day.


    Didn't have any 0.2 African ancestry, other wise I'd pick black too.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @AnotherDad
    @JimDandy


    So, just checking–if I can find some Spanish heritage in my 23&me, can I check “Hispanic”?
     
    "Hispanic" basically means "I say i'm Hispanic".
    , @V. Hickel
    @JimDandy

    you would be a fool not to

  4. They got a lot uh splainin’ to do!

  5. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:

    What I’ve never understood is why you seem to like Yglesias, despite him being wrong about everything and not sharing your views.

    You always try to have the most charitable view of him, his views, and intentions and seem to imply that he’s just misunderstood or something and will come around any time to your views. Even though it’s clear that his motivations are deep and settled. Why wouldn’t someone of his ethnic and genetic background tend to have the views he does?

    I have nothing personal against him and don’t begrudge him for his views. He should have his views. That they’re antithetical to mine just is what it is. But you seem to have some sort of personal affinity for the guy that blinds you to this fact.

    • Replies: @fnn
    @Anonymous

    He looks funny, he talks funny and he seems a lot nicer than David Frum or Bill Kristol

    , @bomag
    @Anonymous

    Yglesias is a one-stop shop for examples of the other side's excuses, motivations, and patterns of thought.

  6. All of my high brow white friends truly believe there is no crisis of white population shortage. Cloud people have the best insulation from reality that money can buy.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mike Tre


    All of my high brow white friends truly believe there is no crisis of white population shortage.
     
    Well, there isn't-- in their neighborhoods. Certainly not if you include the "white-adjacent":


    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/chappaqua-ny-population

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/mill-valley-ca-population

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/malibu-ca-population
    , @bomag
    @Mike Tre


    ...truly believe there is no crisis of white population shortage.
     
    This.

    And some, like a few trolls around here, think immigrants come here and give birth to White people.
  7. “Curses!” shouts Lizzie Warren. “Why couldn’t I have been an Australian politician?”

    • LOL: Captain Tripps
  8. Seems that Matthew Yglesias is getting a little nervous. Matty, better pray for a future immigrant such as Mordecai Bromberg that will pass a federal decision proscribing the mocking of coloreds.

  9. We won’t be having too many 7/8 wypipos and no one’s going to be calling themselves whyte if they can possibly help it.

  10. Matthew Yglesias writes a lot about how weird idiosyncratic outlier that he is, actually everything revolves around him and now his seed.

    But in a way he is correct, to an extent, a new ‘core’ will emerge just as it did after the Great Wave, JFK unironically being referred to as a WASP in 2021 is just one example. But how long will it take? Famously the Cambro-Normans who first arrived in Ireland as mercenaries and then decided to invite their close and distant relatives across Britain to use their foothold to conquer much of Ireland took centuries to assimilate to a point where neither they nor the Gaelic Irish drew an ethnic distinction. A similar situation took place in England.

    This is often what is meant by ‘white’ in modern American culture. People who are physically and culturally ‘close enough’ will begin to form a continuum and some new majority will try to form. But it’s also true that those people will often have chips on their shoulders like Ygelasias and inform their identity as being ‘immigrant’ and thus be weak chains in any defense against more immigration, even when they don’t prefer the consequences. Will this new ‘white’ ‘white’ America be as stable as ‘white’ America. Is ‘white’ America as stable as WASP America was before it? (The massively greater social solidarity in Canada suggests otherwise)

    If you can’t define what an American is anymore (Because anyone and anything unambiguously American doesn’t represent a large enough proportion of the population and is collectively demoralised) then you can’t define the common good and you can’t defend their interests. It’s natural for people with immigrant identities to have an attachment (Like Yglesias) to their ethnic forebares but it’s also natural for that identity to be essentially anti-social to any society their born into and, in the case of certain ethnicities to emerge as a kind of constant ethnic warfare against the descendants of the people who let their ancestors in.

    Though for sure, the future of NYC prep schools will be as Yglesias describes but I don’t know if children who wed the ugliness of their fathers with the vapidity of their mothers as we see with many Hollywood directors, is such a path towards an ubermenschen.

    On that topic the new Gossip Girl has gone woke and has done away with the unrealistic depiction of the students at an old expensive prep school in Manhattan in the 2000s as being Abercrombie and Fitch models of WASPness to an ‘accurate’ one of them being various kinds of brownness (Interestingly the school that the author of the original books went to claims a 30% PoC figure but I can’t find how many of them are Asians. Though they do run a scholarship programme for inner city students.) with once again no Jewish characters.

    https://forward.com/schmooze/381700/its-been-10-years-and-were-still-asking-why-were-there-no-jews-on-gossip-gi/

    The Forward knows and agrees with why there was not an accurate depiction of Jewish representation on Gossip Girl but still finds time to complain about it.

  11. The future:

    Hindus and Sikhs coming to America LEGALLY and voting Whitey into a violently persecuted White Racially minority within the borders of post-white toilet America. And to be race-realist about it-they will doing this along with their US born Hindu-Sikh geneline enthusiastically every Nov 3…Oh wait…this is already happening….And Jeb Bush…married to a tiny primitive primate species(and a tiny brain to boot)from the Oaxaca jungle….says we should be very very happy about this!!!

    Steve

    I just saw Eli Manning’s 2008 Super Bowl Helmet for sale at a downtown Sag Harbor(Steve occasionally begs for money at the windmill)Bookstore…Interested buyers of Sports Memorabilia gotta call a phone number on the card next to it for a price quote. How much do you reckon Eli’s 2008 Super Bowl Helmet goes for?

  12. Anon[410] • Disclaimer says:

    US law/culture have no impact on immigration. Economics and infertile women do.

    Texas law and culture has the strictest anti-immigration stance in America, yet the illegal aliens just kept charging through across the border, and the state went from 60% white to 40% white virtually overnight. The Republican Texas cops don’t give a shit.

    Furthermore, the biggest contributor to the demographic change was not immigration, but the fact that white women are infertile. Stopping immigration won’t reverse the 50 years of lost white fertility. Place the blame where it belongs and never stop talking about it.

    You cannot change the law or the culture, and even if you could, corporations and small business owners would just break them anyway.

    All you can do to break the cycle is destroy the economy and make women breed again. Much like the Taliban are doing in Afghanistan.

    Corporations, infertile women and small business owners destroyed America. Never, ever forget that.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Anon

    Our borders need to be controlled independent of birth rates.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Pericles
    @Anon

    Looks like California Big Money is doing a cozy takeover of Austin too, so expect Texas to flip blue once the donation networks get settled in. Then again, after the coup this probably doesn't matter as much as it used to.

    , @Goddard
    @Anon


    Corporations, infertile women and small business owners destroyed America.
     
    No! Whites do not need to get into a fuck-a-thon to outbreed Squatemalans. White civilization is allowed to have a slump from time to time. All civilizations falter. The racial substrate, however, usually remains unchanged, allowing the race to rise again in another civilizational form.

    White women are allowed to get bitchy and careerist for a few generations. Our population can level off, even decline. Japan will still be Japan a hundred years from now; but America will be Brazil, i.e., yet another coffee-colored mestizo shithole.

    No fuck-a-thons. Just close the gates. Build the wall and hold to account the criminals attempting to swamp our people.

  13. All the stories have been told

    Of kings in days of old

    But there’s no America now.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @40 Lashes Less One

    Late to this old thread, but thanks for the Kinks, L.O.!

    Here ya' go:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsLhNxzwK1Y

  14. @Mike Tre
    All of my high brow white friends truly believe there is no crisis of white population shortage. Cloud people have the best insulation from reality that money can buy.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @bomag

    All of my high brow white friends truly believe there is no crisis of white population shortage.

    Well, there isn’t— in their neighborhoods. Certainly not if you include the “white-adjacent”:

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/chappaqua-ny-population

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/mill-valley-ca-population

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/malibu-ca-population

    • Agree: Mike Tre
  15. For once in his life, Matty isn’t totally wrong. But will those people be counted as white on the census?

  16. Matty has a good twitter feed. From him I learned that Alice From Queens was suspended from Twitter for her series on Kamala.

    Alice’s substack is still up:

    https://alicefromqueens.substack.com/p/kamala-files-one

  17. I assume that Mr. Yglesias and plenty of other have gotten recent data from the census bureau or from the same source as Jared Taylor. His latest article is not yet on The Unz Review*, but one can find “Encourage All Secession Movements”—The Future For White Americans on VDare. (They don’t have commenting.)

    The graph below is I suppose what everyone’s writing about, and it sure is a slap in the face seeing these actual numbers:

    (This is one I wrote about before but didn’t have a chance to put up a screen shot on the server.)

    ,

    * And, thank you so much, Mr. Unz, for publishing Jared Taylor’s articles now – here. The last 3 have been excellent, and they have received lots of comments.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ahaa, the article IS up here. I missed it due to the different title from the VDare post. Sorry, people. I've got comments to read now - usually as informative as the articles.

  18. Indian Bronson has a great (if slightly mean spirited) take down of Yglesias’ latest musings on Hungary and being hungry for breakfast tacos. I can’t bring myself to hate Matt Yglesias. I believe if he was subject to a proper bullying routine he could become only slightly annoying.

    https://indianbronson.substack.com/p/hungry-hungary-hypocrites

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @clifford brown

    Oh, he's already gotten bullied all right - by two bad "dudes". He came clean a couple of years later. Did he learn anything from that? It's been a decade.

  19. @Anonymous
    What I've never understood is why you seem to like Yglesias, despite him being wrong about everything and not sharing your views.

    You always try to have the most charitable view of him, his views, and intentions and seem to imply that he's just misunderstood or something and will come around any time to your views. Even though it's clear that his motivations are deep and settled. Why wouldn't someone of his ethnic and genetic background tend to have the views he does?

    I have nothing personal against him and don't begrudge him for his views. He should have his views. That they're antithetical to mine just is what it is. But you seem to have some sort of personal affinity for the guy that blinds you to this fact.

    Replies: @fnn, @bomag

    He looks funny, he talks funny and he seems a lot nicer than David Frum or Bill Kristol

    • Agree: clifford brown
  20. @clifford brown
    Indian Bronson has a great (if slightly mean spirited) take down of Yglesias' latest musings on Hungary and being hungry for breakfast tacos. I can't bring myself to hate Matt Yglesias. I believe if he was subject to a proper bullying routine he could become only slightly annoying.

    https://indianbronson.substack.com/p/hungry-hungary-hypocrites

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Oh, he’s already gotten bullied all right – by two bad “dudes”. He came clean a couple of years later. Did he learn anything from that? It’s been a decade.

  21. Over the last four years census surveys have shown the white population has declined by more than 1 million people. The pace of the decrease is accelerating. The census data released Thursday will show an America that is, for the first time in the nation’s history, less than 60 percent white. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/567383-new-census-data-to-show-us-diversifying-at-fastest-rate-ever

    The number of Hispanic or Latino Americans grew by 11 million between 2010 and 2020. The number of Asian Americans grew by 4.7 million over the decade. And the number of African Americans grew by 3.4 million since the 2010 census. While the number of White Americans shrank over the last decade.

    Even if white women increased their fertility levels, their actual numbers of births would not go up that much, because there is a shrinking number of white women of childbearing age. Only 40% of white women are in the childbearing ages of 15 to 43, compared to 57% of nonwhite women. In 1990 there were 60 million White females under the age of 40 and today just 44 million White females under the age of 40 , a decline of 27% in 30 years.

    • Replies: @BluEidDvl
    @Travis

    I try not to lose heart but sometimes it just seems so futile.

    For whatever reasons our women decided they no longer wanted children. Of those current 44 million White women under 40, how many of those will never have children?. How many of those will have only one child? (way below replacement level). How many of those will have children but be with men of a different race & therefore destroying their genetic line?. How many of those will raise their sons/daughters to be “woke” & therefore with zero loyalty to their kindred folk?.

    We’ve now reached the point of absolute crises for our people. Our “men” care FAR more about “their team” winning the ballgame than their children’s own future. Our “women” have become wanton, empty & degenerate.

    Hoping won’t change this. Wishing won’t change this. We cannot survive as a people under the current zeitgeist. We’ve reached the point where only some kind of miracle or utter collapse of this monstrosity & then starting over from scratch can bring about renewal for our civilization & it’s people.. 🤔

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  22. @JimDandy
    So, just checking--if I can find some Spanish heritage in my 23&me, can I check "Hispanic"?

    Replies: @ArthurinCali, @AnotherDad, @V. Hickel

    That’s what I do every time. Also select Native American due to having more than E. Warren percentage too. But they say its a social construct so I mix it up depending on the mood of the day.

    Didn’t have any 0.2 African ancestry, other wise I’d pick black too.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @ArthurinCali

    Do you feel like you've benefitted from it?

    Replies: @ArthurinCali

  23. @Achmed E. Newman
    I assume that Mr. Yglesias and plenty of other have gotten recent data from the census bureau or from the same source as Jared Taylor. His latest article is not yet on The Unz Review*, but one can find "Encourage All Secession Movements"—The Future For White Americans on VDare. (They don't have commenting.)

    The graph below is I suppose what everyone's writing about, and it sure is a slap in the face seeing these actual numbers:

    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/Years_10-19_Pop_Growth.jpg

    (This is one I wrote about before but didn't have a chance to put up a screen shot on the server.)

    ,


    * And, thank you so much, Mr. Unz, for publishing Jared Taylor's articles now - here. The last 3 have been excellent, and they have received lots of comments.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Ahaa, the article IS up here. I missed it due to the different title from the VDare post. Sorry, people. I’ve got comments to read now – usually as informative as the articles.

  24. The Bolt decision in Australia established a situation that neither quite mirrors the American, nor is it exactly its opposite. It seems to be something like a clockwise spin to the American counterclockwise. Even though many Natives have European blood, sometimes constituting a majority of their genetic makeup, their genuine status as Noble Natives can never be challenged, or even questioned, if they belong to a tribe. OTOH, any white American who claims any degree of Indigian descent is disbelieved, derided, and deplored. Genes can only flow in one direction, turns out.

    • Replies: @sb
    @Hjgfdjji it ddffg

    Australia had it's ( every 5 years ) census in the last week

    I must admit that I rather hesitated on the question asking ethnic background ( or whatever the current expression is )
    If I put down Aboriginal would that contribute to the joke category that now is "Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander " becoming perceived as even more of a joke ? ( rather like "Klingon " )
    And would that serve my basic HBD race realist views ?

    Too hard to work out

  25. Yiggy claims he named his kid (José) after an ancestral relative, but he betrayed his true purpose by keeping the diacritic mark in the kid’s name. Not any ol’ white kid, a White Hispanic!–for extra diversity points on the top line of the kid’s résumé.

  26. America is gone, Steveo.

    Whether White Christian people can survive here and retain their identity remains to be seen.

  27. The real American future is lots of white people with one grandparent from Asia or Latin America.

    Lying or stupid?

    I thought Jews were supposed to be smart? (Smart even while continually cranking out very nasty minoritarian, anti-white stuff.) So at least “clever”.

    Yglesias seems to have a big following–so must be smart guy with interesting things to say? Yet, he continually says gobsmackingly stupid stuff. This is less gobsmackingly stupid than his usual pronouncements but still.

    This would not be true even if immigration stopped right this second and birthrates equalized.. Or–making it sort of possible–if about half the Hispanic population was going to be a fully Hispanic 15% permanent underclass. (Which seems to be a denial of his we’ll-all-mix-and-be-happy point.) All you have to do to figure this out is merely glance at the birth data. That’s the *best* whites get unless they radically turn around their birthrates relative to other groups.

    But the key point: Of course, immigration is not stopping and Yglesias is arguing against it stopping and in fact wants “One Billion Americans”. In which case America would be a completely different nation “entity” that had essentially no connection genetic or cultural with America.

    So is Yglesias just one of these innumerate verbalist bullshitters who honestly can’t do even basic math and has no understand of things like “growth rate” and how that impacts the future?

    Or is the clueless boob thing just an act? And he’s just another Ashkenazi liar with Cuban flavoring?

    (Not that i really give a shit. I just want him and his ilk out of my nation.)

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Just to be clear ... on the critical "AnotherDad" official position.

    I do believe that if immigration stopped right now! our future would still be tractable.

    Matty's numbers don't actually work. But i do think, if immigration flat out stopped for good, you would over two or three generations see a lot of healing.

    -- Heavily Asian and Jewish whitish professional class.
    -- Somewhat Hispanicy and a bit Asian white middle class.
    -- A white-mestizo working class.
    and then the mostly separate blacks with quite a range of shades distributed non-uniformly across the class spectrum including
    -- A heavily black underclass

    We'll never be what we could have been without the rise of the ... ahem ... minoritarians in the 60s. And i'm not looking forward the the Chinese ordered world my kids will inherit. But it's tractable.

    And in a closed nation--that correspondingly conceives of itself as a nation--we could get on to promoting eugenic fertility and taking advantage of the genetic engineering opportunities coming down the pike.


    But this more palatable vision absolutely requires an immigration stop.

    And that's precisely what the minoritarians like Matty refuse to allow. And in fact every more shrilly scream epithets at.

    Again and again: The core ideology of minoritarians is that white gentiles must not be allowed to live our lives in a nation with our people and culture. We--and what we have created--exist to be exploited by minorities. And we must be suppressed, bred out of existence, replaced.

    Our answer to this must be:

    a) Point it out. Point out that this is precisely what's going on and the nastiness of these minoritarians. "Who is oppressing whom."

    b) Demand separation. "Have your Rainbowtopia, we'll have our American nation." (And for other Euro/Canadian/Aus/NZ whites same deal. Rainbowers are not entitled to wreck your nation.)

    Replies: @anon, @International Jew, @Travis

  28. @ArthurinCali
    @JimDandy

    That's what I do every time. Also select Native American due to having more than E. Warren percentage too. But they say its a social construct so I mix it up depending on the mood of the day.


    Didn't have any 0.2 African ancestry, other wise I'd pick black too.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Do you feel like you’ve benefitted from it?

    • Replies: @ArthurinCali
    @JimDandy

    Nope, just a small way to mock the bean counting system that has been put in place.

    I did take the ancestry test and it came back mostly as I suspected. 80+ percent English and Scandinavian stock with a splash of European Spain and American Indian thrown in.

  29. @JimDandy
    So, just checking--if I can find some Spanish heritage in my 23&me, can I check "Hispanic"?

    Replies: @ArthurinCali, @AnotherDad, @V. Hickel

    So, just checking–if I can find some Spanish heritage in my 23&me, can I check “Hispanic”?

    “Hispanic” basically means “I say i’m Hispanic”.

  30. Yglesias is probably sort of right about the ancestry of future Americans. As has been covered at Unz and elsewhere, when you look at dating site information and who women and men of different racial groups find most attractive, being a white guy in the dating market is far from a bad thing, especially if you appear to be the sort that will have a stable and middle class job.

    Just anecdotal, but I have a friend from my college days who got divorced in his 30s after having a couple of kids and got back into the dating world through internet matchmaking sites. He has an unspectacular albeit white collar job, isn’t a looker by any means and is on the short side. Despite this, he says it was ridiculous what an advantage being a middle class white guy was – particularly with Latinas. Post divorce he ended up settling down with a nice Latina and they seem very content.

    Anyway, I think there will be a lot of Latin cultural assimilation in the years ahead and a lot less interest in what black political or cultural demands are.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Arclight


    Anyway, I think there will be a lot of Latin cultural assimilation in the years ahead and a lot less interest in what black political or cultural demands are.
     
    If Hispanics were interested in their Indio side, they'd be reviving the Aztec, Incan or Mayan languages back in their home countries. Culturally-speaking, Hispanics are just Spaniards with a tan.

    Replies: @epebble, @anon

  31. Is a half White/half Ashkenazi kid considered White? Depends on whom you ask. To Sailerites, perhaps. To most who oppose the browning of America and Europe, most definitely not. I know plenty of people who are technically 3/4 White but totally look like and identify with their non-White ancestors. Many of them are raised by their non-White grandparents. And these partially White people will generally further intermarry and further the ultimate goal of there being no 98.5% White people anywhere any longer. It’s just a step on the road to exterminating heritage White Europeans.

    Sailerites like to decry the slippery slope in other social issues (albeit recognizing it was/is real only after the fact, as usual), but here they will say race is a spectrum, so that someone like Iglesias’ kid can count as White in their book. Fine, create your magic miscegenated high-IQ paradise. It’s a sure thing. Can’t possibly fail or have any ethnic or racial conflicts. We all know the smartest people are also the wisest who build the very best societies. The top, I tell you.

  32. @AnotherDad

    The real American future is lots of white people with one grandparent from Asia or Latin America.
     
    Lying or stupid?

    I thought Jews were supposed to be smart? (Smart even while continually cranking out very nasty minoritarian, anti-white stuff.) So at least "clever".

    Yglesias seems to have a big following--so must be smart guy with interesting things to say? Yet, he continually says gobsmackingly stupid stuff. This is less gobsmackingly stupid than his usual pronouncements but still.

    This would not be true even if immigration stopped right this second and birthrates equalized.. Or--making it sort of possible--if about half the Hispanic population was going to be a fully Hispanic 15% permanent underclass. (Which seems to be a denial of his we'll-all-mix-and-be-happy point.) All you have to do to figure this out is merely glance at the birth data. That's the *best* whites get unless they radically turn around their birthrates relative to other groups.

    But the key point: Of course, immigration is not stopping and Yglesias is arguing against it stopping and in fact wants "One Billion Americans". In which case America would be a completely different nation "entity" that had essentially no connection genetic or cultural with America.

    So is Yglesias just one of these innumerate verbalist bullshitters who honestly can't do even basic math and has no understand of things like "growth rate" and how that impacts the future?

    Or is the clueless boob thing just an act? And he's just another Ashkenazi liar with Cuban flavoring?

    (Not that i really give a shit. I just want him and his ilk out of my nation.)

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Just to be clear … on the critical “AnotherDad” official position.

    I do believe that if immigration stopped right now! our future would still be tractable.

    Matty’s numbers don’t actually work. But i do think, if immigration flat out stopped for good, you would over two or three generations see a lot of healing.

    — Heavily Asian and Jewish whitish professional class.
    — Somewhat Hispanicy and a bit Asian white middle class.
    — A white-mestizo working class.
    and then the mostly separate blacks with quite a range of shades distributed non-uniformly across the class spectrum including
    — A heavily black underclass

    We’ll never be what we could have been without the rise of the … ahem … minoritarians in the 60s. And i’m not looking forward the the Chinese ordered world my kids will inherit. But it’s tractable.

    And in a closed nation–that correspondingly conceives of itself as a nation–we could get on to promoting eugenic fertility and taking advantage of the genetic engineering opportunities coming down the pike.

    But this more palatable vision absolutely requires an immigration stop.

    And that’s precisely what the minoritarians like Matty refuse to allow. And in fact every more shrilly scream epithets at.

    Again and again: The core ideology of minoritarians is that white gentiles must not be allowed to live our lives in a nation with our people and culture. We–and what we have created–exist to be exploited by minorities. And we must be suppressed, bred out of existence, replaced.

    Our answer to this must be:

    a) Point it out. Point out that this is precisely what’s going on and the nastiness of these minoritarians. “Who is oppressing whom.”

    b) Demand separation. “Have your Rainbowtopia, we’ll have our American nation.” (And for other Euro/Canadian/Aus/NZ whites same deal. Rainbowers are not entitled to wreck your nation.)

    • Thanks: V. Hickel
    • Replies: @anon
    @AnotherDad

    I do believe that if immigration stopped right now! our future would still be tractable.

    https://media1.tenor.com/images/264e6406c9ce725a670ac52a2f873fc7/tenor.gif

    , @International Jew
    @AnotherDad

    Do you have two handles here, one with capital D and one not? How did that happen? I thought Ron was very serious about preventing sockpuppetry (not that I'm accusing you of sockpuppetry). I tried to change my handle altogether a year ago, and he simply didn't let me do it.

    , @Travis
    @AnotherDad

    The best we could hope for would be a cap of 900,000 immigrants per year, but we will likely see about 1.4 million immigrants per year for the next decade. Another 14 million non-white immigrants will be living in America by 2030. This is what America voted for.

    There are no members of Congress who seek to reduce immigration significantly. A few would end the diversity lottery by giving these greencards to more Asians instead of to Africans. This was the Trump plan, to eliminate the 50,000 diversity visas and give them to qualified Asians. yet even the GOP controlled congress rejected this plan which would not have reduced immigration.

    Having a separate nation would be great. But there are very few Whites who would move to this mythical nation. We already have states which are 95% white , but almost no White nationalists move to these states. Of the 195 million Whites in America there are fewer than 5 million White nationalists and most of them are over the age of 50 and have below average levels of Wealth and income. If a state like Maine was allowed to be annexed by White Nationalists only a few thousand White families would move to Maine to live in a White State. Most White nationalist are content to live among their kin and have Hispanic grandkids.

    Nevertheless, Maine remains an attractive option for those who are starting a family and desire to have White Grandchildren. But most Whites will choose to remain in Diverse towns and send their kids to colleges where Whites are a minority. They will be proud of their mixed-race grandchildren and support affirmative action, since affirmative action will now help their non-white progeny.

  33. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Just to be clear ... on the critical "AnotherDad" official position.

    I do believe that if immigration stopped right now! our future would still be tractable.

    Matty's numbers don't actually work. But i do think, if immigration flat out stopped for good, you would over two or three generations see a lot of healing.

    -- Heavily Asian and Jewish whitish professional class.
    -- Somewhat Hispanicy and a bit Asian white middle class.
    -- A white-mestizo working class.
    and then the mostly separate blacks with quite a range of shades distributed non-uniformly across the class spectrum including
    -- A heavily black underclass

    We'll never be what we could have been without the rise of the ... ahem ... minoritarians in the 60s. And i'm not looking forward the the Chinese ordered world my kids will inherit. But it's tractable.

    And in a closed nation--that correspondingly conceives of itself as a nation--we could get on to promoting eugenic fertility and taking advantage of the genetic engineering opportunities coming down the pike.


    But this more palatable vision absolutely requires an immigration stop.

    And that's precisely what the minoritarians like Matty refuse to allow. And in fact every more shrilly scream epithets at.

    Again and again: The core ideology of minoritarians is that white gentiles must not be allowed to live our lives in a nation with our people and culture. We--and what we have created--exist to be exploited by minorities. And we must be suppressed, bred out of existence, replaced.

    Our answer to this must be:

    a) Point it out. Point out that this is precisely what's going on and the nastiness of these minoritarians. "Who is oppressing whom."

    b) Demand separation. "Have your Rainbowtopia, we'll have our American nation." (And for other Euro/Canadian/Aus/NZ whites same deal. Rainbowers are not entitled to wreck your nation.)

    Replies: @anon, @International Jew, @Travis

    I do believe that if immigration stopped right now! our future would still be tractable.

  34. @Anon
    US law/culture have no impact on immigration. Economics and infertile women do.

    Texas law and culture has the strictest anti-immigration stance in America, yet the illegal aliens just kept charging through across the border, and the state went from 60% white to 40% white virtually overnight. The Republican Texas cops don't give a shit.

    Furthermore, the biggest contributor to the demographic change was not immigration, but the fact that white women are infertile. Stopping immigration won't reverse the 50 years of lost white fertility. Place the blame where it belongs and never stop talking about it.

    You cannot change the law or the culture, and even if you could, corporations and small business owners would just break them anyway.

    All you can do to break the cycle is destroy the economy and make women breed again. Much like the Taliban are doing in Afghanistan.

    Corporations, infertile women and small business owners destroyed America. Never, ever forget that.

    Replies: @bomag, @Pericles, @Goddard

    Our borders need to be controlled independent of birth rates.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @bomag

    Your birth rates are the more pertinent issue to control. Also the more realistic, for the time being. First jump birth rates, second jump border.

    It's only natural. And loss of control over birth rates was what lead to loss of control over the border, anyway.

    Replies: @Anon

  35. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Just to be clear ... on the critical "AnotherDad" official position.

    I do believe that if immigration stopped right now! our future would still be tractable.

    Matty's numbers don't actually work. But i do think, if immigration flat out stopped for good, you would over two or three generations see a lot of healing.

    -- Heavily Asian and Jewish whitish professional class.
    -- Somewhat Hispanicy and a bit Asian white middle class.
    -- A white-mestizo working class.
    and then the mostly separate blacks with quite a range of shades distributed non-uniformly across the class spectrum including
    -- A heavily black underclass

    We'll never be what we could have been without the rise of the ... ahem ... minoritarians in the 60s. And i'm not looking forward the the Chinese ordered world my kids will inherit. But it's tractable.

    And in a closed nation--that correspondingly conceives of itself as a nation--we could get on to promoting eugenic fertility and taking advantage of the genetic engineering opportunities coming down the pike.


    But this more palatable vision absolutely requires an immigration stop.

    And that's precisely what the minoritarians like Matty refuse to allow. And in fact every more shrilly scream epithets at.

    Again and again: The core ideology of minoritarians is that white gentiles must not be allowed to live our lives in a nation with our people and culture. We--and what we have created--exist to be exploited by minorities. And we must be suppressed, bred out of existence, replaced.

    Our answer to this must be:

    a) Point it out. Point out that this is precisely what's going on and the nastiness of these minoritarians. "Who is oppressing whom."

    b) Demand separation. "Have your Rainbowtopia, we'll have our American nation." (And for other Euro/Canadian/Aus/NZ whites same deal. Rainbowers are not entitled to wreck your nation.)

    Replies: @anon, @International Jew, @Travis

    Do you have two handles here, one with capital D and one not? How did that happen? I thought Ron was very serious about preventing sockpuppetry (not that I’m accusing you of sockpuppetry). I tried to change my handle altogether a year ago, and he simply didn’t let me do it.

  36. Who was ever going to stop them from flooding the country with mass non-White immigration? The CivNats? LOL They couldn’t muster a defense of their own people. The other side knew they could roll over them.

    This will be a majority non-White country soon; that’s baked into the cake. The question is whether White people will have a right to exist. Will they have the same rights as, say, gay people?

    Don’t look to the CivNats for help, they will just keep sinking you.

  37. @bomag
    @Anon

    Our borders need to be controlled independent of birth rates.

    Replies: @Anon

    Your birth rates are the more pertinent issue to control. Also the more realistic, for the time being. First jump birth rates, second jump border.

    It’s only natural. And loss of control over birth rates was what lead to loss of control over the border, anyway.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon

    *led


    Don't you hate the English language sometimes?

  38. @JimDandy
    @ArthurinCali

    Do you feel like you've benefitted from it?

    Replies: @ArthurinCali

    Nope, just a small way to mock the bean counting system that has been put in place.

    I did take the ancestry test and it came back mostly as I suspected. 80+ percent English and Scandinavian stock with a splash of European Spain and American Indian thrown in.

  39. @Hjgfdjji it ddffg
    The Bolt decision in Australia established a situation that neither quite mirrors the American, nor is it exactly its opposite. It seems to be something like a clockwise spin to the American counterclockwise. Even though many Natives have European blood, sometimes constituting a majority of their genetic makeup, their genuine status as Noble Natives can never be challenged, or even questioned, if they belong to a tribe. OTOH, any white American who claims any degree of Indigian descent is disbelieved, derided, and deplored. Genes can only flow in one direction, turns out.

    Replies: @sb

    Australia had it’s ( every 5 years ) census in the last week

    I must admit that I rather hesitated on the question asking ethnic background ( or whatever the current expression is )
    If I put down Aboriginal would that contribute to the joke category that now is “Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander ” becoming perceived as even more of a joke ? ( rather like “Klingon ” )
    And would that serve my basic HBD race realist views ?

    Too hard to work out

  40. @Anon
    @bomag

    Your birth rates are the more pertinent issue to control. Also the more realistic, for the time being. First jump birth rates, second jump border.

    It's only natural. And loss of control over birth rates was what lead to loss of control over the border, anyway.

    Replies: @Anon

    *led

    Don’t you hate the English language sometimes?

  41. @Anon
    US law/culture have no impact on immigration. Economics and infertile women do.

    Texas law and culture has the strictest anti-immigration stance in America, yet the illegal aliens just kept charging through across the border, and the state went from 60% white to 40% white virtually overnight. The Republican Texas cops don't give a shit.

    Furthermore, the biggest contributor to the demographic change was not immigration, but the fact that white women are infertile. Stopping immigration won't reverse the 50 years of lost white fertility. Place the blame where it belongs and never stop talking about it.

    You cannot change the law or the culture, and even if you could, corporations and small business owners would just break them anyway.

    All you can do to break the cycle is destroy the economy and make women breed again. Much like the Taliban are doing in Afghanistan.

    Corporations, infertile women and small business owners destroyed America. Never, ever forget that.

    Replies: @bomag, @Pericles, @Goddard

    Looks like California Big Money is doing a cozy takeover of Austin too, so expect Texas to flip blue once the donation networks get settled in. Then again, after the coup this probably doesn’t matter as much as it used to.

  42. @Travis
    Over the last four years census surveys have shown the white population has declined by more than 1 million people. The pace of the decrease is accelerating. The census data released Thursday will show an America that is, for the first time in the nation’s history, less than 60 percent white. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/567383-new-census-data-to-show-us-diversifying-at-fastest-rate-ever

    The number of Hispanic or Latino Americans grew by 11 million between 2010 and 2020. The number of Asian Americans grew by 4.7 million over the decade. And the number of African Americans grew by 3.4 million since the 2010 census. While the number of White Americans shrank over the last decade.

    Even if white women increased their fertility levels, their actual numbers of births would not go up that much, because there is a shrinking number of white women of childbearing age. Only 40% of white women are in the childbearing ages of 15 to 43, compared to 57% of nonwhite women. In 1990 there were 60 million White females under the age of 40 and today just 44 million White females under the age of 40 , a decline of 27% in 30 years.

    Replies: @BluEidDvl

    I try not to lose heart but sometimes it just seems so futile.

    For whatever reasons our women decided they no longer wanted children. Of those current 44 million White women under 40, how many of those will never have children?. How many of those will have only one child? (way below replacement level). How many of those will have children but be with men of a different race & therefore destroying their genetic line?. How many of those will raise their sons/daughters to be “woke” & therefore with zero loyalty to their kindred folk?.

    We’ve now reached the point of absolute crises for our people. Our “men” care FAR more about “their team” winning the ballgame than their children’s own future. Our “women” have become wanton, empty & degenerate.

    Hoping won’t change this. Wishing won’t change this. We cannot survive as a people under the current zeitgeist. We’ve reached the point where only some kind of miracle or utter collapse of this monstrosity & then starting over from scratch can bring about renewal for our civilization & it’s people.. 🤔

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @BluEidDvl

    Great comment, BluEidDvl, but one quick answer here:

    For whatever reasons ... Feminism.

    PERIOD!

  43. @Anon
    US law/culture have no impact on immigration. Economics and infertile women do.

    Texas law and culture has the strictest anti-immigration stance in America, yet the illegal aliens just kept charging through across the border, and the state went from 60% white to 40% white virtually overnight. The Republican Texas cops don't give a shit.

    Furthermore, the biggest contributor to the demographic change was not immigration, but the fact that white women are infertile. Stopping immigration won't reverse the 50 years of lost white fertility. Place the blame where it belongs and never stop talking about it.

    You cannot change the law or the culture, and even if you could, corporations and small business owners would just break them anyway.

    All you can do to break the cycle is destroy the economy and make women breed again. Much like the Taliban are doing in Afghanistan.

    Corporations, infertile women and small business owners destroyed America. Never, ever forget that.

    Replies: @bomag, @Pericles, @Goddard

    Corporations, infertile women and small business owners destroyed America.

    No! Whites do not need to get into a fuck-a-thon to outbreed Squatemalans. White civilization is allowed to have a slump from time to time. All civilizations falter. The racial substrate, however, usually remains unchanged, allowing the race to rise again in another civilizational form.

    White women are allowed to get bitchy and careerist for a few generations. Our population can level off, even decline. Japan will still be Japan a hundred years from now; but America will be Brazil, i.e., yet another coffee-colored mestizo shithole.

    No fuck-a-thons. Just close the gates. Build the wall and hold to account the criminals attempting to swamp our people.

  44. @Anonymous
    What I've never understood is why you seem to like Yglesias, despite him being wrong about everything and not sharing your views.

    You always try to have the most charitable view of him, his views, and intentions and seem to imply that he's just misunderstood or something and will come around any time to your views. Even though it's clear that his motivations are deep and settled. Why wouldn't someone of his ethnic and genetic background tend to have the views he does?

    I have nothing personal against him and don't begrudge him for his views. He should have his views. That they're antithetical to mine just is what it is. But you seem to have some sort of personal affinity for the guy that blinds you to this fact.

    Replies: @fnn, @bomag

    Yglesias is a one-stop shop for examples of the other side’s excuses, motivations, and patterns of thought.

    • Agree: Forbes
  45. @Mike Tre
    All of my high brow white friends truly believe there is no crisis of white population shortage. Cloud people have the best insulation from reality that money can buy.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @bomag

    …truly believe there is no crisis of white population shortage.

    This.

    And some, like a few trolls around here, think immigrants come here and give birth to White people.

  46. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Just to be clear ... on the critical "AnotherDad" official position.

    I do believe that if immigration stopped right now! our future would still be tractable.

    Matty's numbers don't actually work. But i do think, if immigration flat out stopped for good, you would over two or three generations see a lot of healing.

    -- Heavily Asian and Jewish whitish professional class.
    -- Somewhat Hispanicy and a bit Asian white middle class.
    -- A white-mestizo working class.
    and then the mostly separate blacks with quite a range of shades distributed non-uniformly across the class spectrum including
    -- A heavily black underclass

    We'll never be what we could have been without the rise of the ... ahem ... minoritarians in the 60s. And i'm not looking forward the the Chinese ordered world my kids will inherit. But it's tractable.

    And in a closed nation--that correspondingly conceives of itself as a nation--we could get on to promoting eugenic fertility and taking advantage of the genetic engineering opportunities coming down the pike.


    But this more palatable vision absolutely requires an immigration stop.

    And that's precisely what the minoritarians like Matty refuse to allow. And in fact every more shrilly scream epithets at.

    Again and again: The core ideology of minoritarians is that white gentiles must not be allowed to live our lives in a nation with our people and culture. We--and what we have created--exist to be exploited by minorities. And we must be suppressed, bred out of existence, replaced.

    Our answer to this must be:

    a) Point it out. Point out that this is precisely what's going on and the nastiness of these minoritarians. "Who is oppressing whom."

    b) Demand separation. "Have your Rainbowtopia, we'll have our American nation." (And for other Euro/Canadian/Aus/NZ whites same deal. Rainbowers are not entitled to wreck your nation.)

    Replies: @anon, @International Jew, @Travis

    The best we could hope for would be a cap of 900,000 immigrants per year, but we will likely see about 1.4 million immigrants per year for the next decade. Another 14 million non-white immigrants will be living in America by 2030. This is what America voted for.

    There are no members of Congress who seek to reduce immigration significantly. A few would end the diversity lottery by giving these greencards to more Asians instead of to Africans. This was the Trump plan, to eliminate the 50,000 diversity visas and give them to qualified Asians. yet even the GOP controlled congress rejected this plan which would not have reduced immigration.

    Having a separate nation would be great. But there are very few Whites who would move to this mythical nation. We already have states which are 95% white , but almost no White nationalists move to these states. Of the 195 million Whites in America there are fewer than 5 million White nationalists and most of them are over the age of 50 and have below average levels of Wealth and income. If a state like Maine was allowed to be annexed by White Nationalists only a few thousand White families would move to Maine to live in a White State. Most White nationalist are content to live among their kin and have Hispanic grandkids.

    Nevertheless, Maine remains an attractive option for those who are starting a family and desire to have White Grandchildren. But most Whites will choose to remain in Diverse towns and send their kids to colleges where Whites are a minority. They will be proud of their mixed-race grandchildren and support affirmative action, since affirmative action will now help their non-white progeny.

  47. There is a big backlash in Australia right now about fake Abos. Rules have just been tightened so that people who can’t claim affiliation with Abo communities can’t get these scholarships and grants. The BLM movement has changed the racial paradigm in the left across the West to a BIPOC centered perspective. White style liberalism is right now being demoted in the whitopia countries. Another manifestation of this is happening in Germany, where the zionist/trotskyite/neocon/neoliberal/antifa “Antigerman” movement is getting crushed in the court of opinion among young leftists. Under the new BLM derived paradigm, the Antigermans are obviously an affront and must be destroyed. This is all a great development from an alt-right perspective.

    Steve might want to look into how BLM is impacting zionist tendencies on the left.

    In Berlin, the DJs for Palestine movement is growing

    Despite its reputation for progressive politics, the Berlin music scene has traditionally been home to strong pro-Israel sentiment

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/discover/palestine-germany-berlin-djs-movement-growing

    …Sauviat spoke for the thousands of foreign DJs, promoters and clubbers who help make Berlin’s electronic music scene one of the most progressive, forward-thinking cultural hubs in the world – and who are at odds with the German left’s unshakable support for Israel.

  48. @Arclight
    Yglesias is probably sort of right about the ancestry of future Americans. As has been covered at Unz and elsewhere, when you look at dating site information and who women and men of different racial groups find most attractive, being a white guy in the dating market is far from a bad thing, especially if you appear to be the sort that will have a stable and middle class job.

    Just anecdotal, but I have a friend from my college days who got divorced in his 30s after having a couple of kids and got back into the dating world through internet matchmaking sites. He has an unspectacular albeit white collar job, isn't a looker by any means and is on the short side. Despite this, he says it was ridiculous what an advantage being a middle class white guy was - particularly with Latinas. Post divorce he ended up settling down with a nice Latina and they seem very content.

    Anyway, I think there will be a lot of Latin cultural assimilation in the years ahead and a lot less interest in what black political or cultural demands are.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Anyway, I think there will be a lot of Latin cultural assimilation in the years ahead and a lot less interest in what black political or cultural demands are.

    If Hispanics were interested in their Indio side, they’d be reviving the Aztec, Incan or Mayan languages back in their home countries. Culturally-speaking, Hispanics are just Spaniards with a tan.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Johann Ricke

    Even the (more capable?) Irish, Scottish, Welsh have only shown amusingly little success in reviving Celtic, Gaelic, Cymru languages. Reviving the Indian languages would be far more difficult for the Hispanics even if they wanted it. Heck, Roman Catholic Church gave up on Latin (And the Greek Orthodox Church does not use Greek, here in U.S.). The only revival that has ever worked is Hebrew.

    , @anon
    @Johann Ricke

    If Hispanics were interested in their Indio side, they’d be reviving the Aztec, Incan or Mayan languages back in their home countries.

    Why revive something that never totally went away?

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Nahuatl

    Also...


    Under Mexico's Ley General de Derechos Lingüísticos de los Pueblos Indígenas ("General Law on the Linguistic Rights of Indigenous Peoples") promulgated in 2003,[10] Nahuatl and the other 63 indigenous languages of Mexico are recognized as lenguas nacionales ("national languages") in the regions where they are spoken, enjoying the same status as Spanish within their region.
     
    ...plus even today, Mestizaje is a thing in Mexico and other countries south of the Rio Grande.

    Culturally-speaking, Hispanics are just Spaniards with a tan.

    Which Hispanics? Marco Rubio, George P. Bush, or maybe these people?

    http://www.indigenouspeople.net/tara5.jpg

    That word, "Hispanics", it can be a pretty big paintbrush.
  49. @JimDandy
    So, just checking--if I can find some Spanish heritage in my 23&me, can I check "Hispanic"?

    Replies: @ArthurinCali, @AnotherDad, @V. Hickel

    you would be a fool not to

  50. @Johann Ricke
    @Arclight


    Anyway, I think there will be a lot of Latin cultural assimilation in the years ahead and a lot less interest in what black political or cultural demands are.
     
    If Hispanics were interested in their Indio side, they'd be reviving the Aztec, Incan or Mayan languages back in their home countries. Culturally-speaking, Hispanics are just Spaniards with a tan.

    Replies: @epebble, @anon

    Even the (more capable?) Irish, Scottish, Welsh have only shown amusingly little success in reviving Celtic, Gaelic, Cymru languages. Reviving the Indian languages would be far more difficult for the Hispanics even if they wanted it. Heck, Roman Catholic Church gave up on Latin (And the Greek Orthodox Church does not use Greek, here in U.S.). The only revival that has ever worked is Hebrew.

  51. anon[296] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johann Ricke
    @Arclight


    Anyway, I think there will be a lot of Latin cultural assimilation in the years ahead and a lot less interest in what black political or cultural demands are.
     
    If Hispanics were interested in their Indio side, they'd be reviving the Aztec, Incan or Mayan languages back in their home countries. Culturally-speaking, Hispanics are just Spaniards with a tan.

    Replies: @epebble, @anon

    If Hispanics were interested in their Indio side, they’d be reviving the Aztec, Incan or Mayan languages back in their home countries.

    Why revive something that never totally went away?

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Nahuatl

    Also…

    Under Mexico’s Ley General de Derechos Lingüísticos de los Pueblos Indígenas (“General Law on the Linguistic Rights of Indigenous Peoples”) promulgated in 2003,[10] Nahuatl and the other 63 indigenous languages of Mexico are recognized as lenguas nacionales (“national languages”) in the regions where they are spoken, enjoying the same status as Spanish within their region.

    …plus even today, Mestizaje is a thing in Mexico and other countries south of the Rio Grande.

    Culturally-speaking, Hispanics are just Spaniards with a tan.

    Which Hispanics? Marco Rubio, George P. Bush, or maybe these people?

    That word, “Hispanics”, it can be a pretty big paintbrush.

  52. @40 Lashes Less One
    All the stories have been told

    Of kings in days of old

    But there's no America now.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Late to this old thread, but thanks for the Kinks, L.O.!

    Here ya’ go:

  53. @BluEidDvl
    @Travis

    I try not to lose heart but sometimes it just seems so futile.

    For whatever reasons our women decided they no longer wanted children. Of those current 44 million White women under 40, how many of those will never have children?. How many of those will have only one child? (way below replacement level). How many of those will have children but be with men of a different race & therefore destroying their genetic line?. How many of those will raise their sons/daughters to be “woke” & therefore with zero loyalty to their kindred folk?.

    We’ve now reached the point of absolute crises for our people. Our “men” care FAR more about “their team” winning the ballgame than their children’s own future. Our “women” have become wanton, empty & degenerate.

    Hoping won’t change this. Wishing won’t change this. We cannot survive as a people under the current zeitgeist. We’ve reached the point where only some kind of miracle or utter collapse of this monstrosity & then starting over from scratch can bring about renewal for our civilization & it’s people.. 🤔

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Great comment, BluEidDvl, but one quick answer here:

    For whatever reasons … Feminism.

    PERIOD!

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