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From the New York Times news section:
Brazil, Land of the Thong, Embraces Its Heavier Self
A country known for beach bodies is confronting soaring obesity rates with new laws that enshrine protections for people who are overweight.
In other words, Brazil is not confronting soaring obesity rates during the covid epidemic, it’s condoning obesity.
By Jack Nicas Photographs by Dado Galdieri
Feb. 27, 2022RECIFE, Brazil — In this oceanside metropolis in Brazil’s northeast, the schools are buying bigger desks, the hospitals are purchasing larger beds and M.R.I. machines and the historic theater downtown is offering wider seats.
Recife is one of the fattest cities in Brazil. It is also quickly becoming one of the world’s most accommodating places for people with obesity.
That is because Recife is part of an accelerating movement across Latin America’s largest country that, according to experts, has quickly made Brazil the world leader in enshrining protections for the overweight. …
Here in Recife, population 1.6 million, a law passed last year requires schools to purchase larger desks and educate teachers about weight-based discrimination so they can include it in their lessons. Another law created an annual day to promote overweight people’s rights.
“There’s a lot more we can do at the national level and, God willing, one day we can go international,” said Karla Rezende, an activist in Recife who started pushing for the new laws after realizing that typical airplane seatbelts didn’t fit her. “There are fat people everywhere, and they all suffer.” …
“Gordofobia,” or the term for weight-based discrimination in Portuguese, has become a buzzword in Brazil. …
Ms. Puhl said that since Michigan passed a law in 1976 that formally protected people from weight discrimination, there have been few meaningful or related policies in the United States. …
In Brazilian courts, rulings began mentioning “gordofobia” in 2014 and have steadily increased since, according to a review of available judgments by Gorda na Lei, or Fat in the Law, a Brazilian activist group. In October, a judge ordered a comedian to pay a $1,000 fine for making jokes about an obese Brazilian dancer’s weight. “The defendant exuded unequivocal gordofobia,” the judge said in the ruling. Freedom of speech is allowed, the judge added, “but it’s the state’s duty to protect minorities.”
Still, enforcement is still often lacking in Brazil. Rayane Souza, a founder of Gorda na Lei, said that many modes of public transportation remained inaccessible despite the 2015 law. She pointed to a recent incident in the coastal city of Guarapari, where an overweight woman got stuck in the turnstile on a city bus. Firefighters freed the woman as other passengers laughed, according to the Brazilian news outlet G1. “I cry at night just thinking of what the people said,” Rosângela Pereira told G1 days later.
In 2020, nearly 29 percent of Brazilians older than 20 were obese, up from roughly 15 percent in 2000, one of the largest increases of any country over that period, according to the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington. Among the 10 most populous nations, only Mexico, the United States and Russia had higher obesity rates, ranging between 31 percent and 37 percent, according to the data.
Maybe some Russian spetsnaz paratroopers are slowing airdrops by not quite fitting through the door?
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Going backwards, how can it get worse … and they mention Michigan, god. Maybe we are at the end of the cycle and the nukes will actually help us.
This is an excellent argument for how we got here; tldr, restrict your oils to butter, olive, and/or coconut.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496497614325522438
And is olive oil safe to cook with?Replies: @J.Ross
As the token fattie around here, I feel compelled to say … fat f**ks of the world, unite!
We shall bury you … when our knees give out and we topple on top of you.
It’s just after 2 a.m. here … only four more hours until Burger King starts serving breakfast! No morning is complete without a large Double Crossain’wich combo. Hell, why not two combos?
I can feel my heart fluttering with excitement just thinking about it.
Sure, most likely there won't be starvation or anything like that, but a man can eat only so much cabbage.
NOTE: I submitted this comment, but I don’t see it showing up at all. If it’s a duplicate, please disregard this one.
As the token fattie around here, I feel compelled to say … fat f**ks of the world, unite!
We shall bury you … when our knees give out and we topple on top of you.
It’s just after 2 a.m. here … only four more hours until Burger King starts serving breakfast! No morning is complete without a large Double Crossain’wich combo. Hell, how about two combos?
I can feel my heart fluttering with excitement just thinking about it.
If I submit a comment when there are no visible approved comments (so looks like I'm going to be Comment 1) then it ALWAYS disappears. I don't get the usual "awaiting approval" view that I would if mine was comment 56.
Just an idiosyncrasy of Ron's software I think.Replies: @AnotherDad, @Stan Adams
I have seen comments saying that America is becoming like Brazil, but in many ways Brazil is becoming America. Not just the obesity thing, but all the liberal SJW ideologies have increased in Brazil, affirmative action, equity, gay pride, you name it.
Mardi Gras, or FAT Tuesday, also known as Carnival in Latin American nations, before the beginning of Lent, is this Tuesday, March 2.
Carnival in Brazil, particularly in Rio is world famous for their women parading around in the streets, most of them aren't particularly obese. Perhaps now with fat laws some parts of Brazil will have their own fat acceptance based Mardi Gras carnival as a counter parade to all the fat phobia that they've been discriminated against by such as people as...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF2eyUNpBcReplies: @Almost Missouri
If anything it was exported from countries like Brazil to America.Replies: @neutral, @Anon
Will we have quotas for fat generals in the military? Movies, beauty contests, sporting competitions must reflect the obesity rates of society?
Diet manuals will be outlawed? Reporting on health hazards for overweight people will be a career killer, similar to reporting on Black crime and underperformance?
Will fatness add intersectionality points?
Fat transsexual black Lesbians will be at the top of the hierarchy?
Will we see surgical interventions to increase fatness? Dieting will be as taboo as “curing” homosexuality?
What will be the next fad?
Wherever he is now, George Orwell is kicking himself for not coming up with a line this good in 1984.
And so the world slides a little further down the slippery slope to Big Brother…
Does Steve read anything other than the NYT? Ah yes, the WaPo…
Anyway, following American trends, the poor are increasingly fat, the middle class and upper are more fit. This happens all over the Western world.
This has to do mostly with the extremely bad quality of current processed industrial food, as well as more sedentary lives thanks to digital technology. Since this trend is difficult to reverse, and there’s no interest in doing it anyway, it is easier for governments to pretend to fight against “gordofobia” or fatphobia than promoting a healthy lifestyle.
This also puts the lie on the idea that governments were worried about our “health” during Covid. No, they wanted (still want) to try new methods of social control, that’s all. The otherwise useless “vaccine passports” are proof of that.
Anyway, completely agree with your sentiments about the government's complete lack of interest in Americans' health. Given that obesity is one of the most common contributing factors to severe illness or death from Covid, it would have been an opportune time for a national campaign to encourage more healthy lifestyles yet it was total crickets on that front.Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Johann Ricke
Diet manuals will be outlawed? Reporting on health hazards for overweight people will be a career killer, similar to reporting on Black crime and underperformance?
Will fatness add intersectionality points?
Fat transsexual black Lesbians will be at the top of the hierarchy?
Will we see surgical interventions to increase fatness? Dieting will be as taboo as "curing" homosexuality?
What will be the next fad?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @RAZ
That would turn the meaning of “Weight Watchers” on its head.
Fatness is utterly disgusting and a massive drain on resources and medical systems. All fatties should be ashamed and lose weight immediately. God gave you one body and you turn it into a dump.
Then again, it's interesting that both of the older guys who are constantly giving me crap about my weight IRL have gay sons. I'm serious - the boys are "out" and everything. They're smart and successful - one's a doctor, the other an opera singer - and they're both destined to be genetic dead-ends. (What they do with their rear ends, I neither know nor want to know.)
I have never - not once - made a snippy comment about this phenomenon. Not one snide remark along the lines of "No wonder your son is thin - all he eats is d**k."
A friend of mine used to be fat as a kid, then slimmed down tremendously in late adolescence. Now he's in his early thirties. He's very fit (and very bald), but his notch count has dropped to zilch since COVID and he's no closer to fulfilling his Darwinian mandate than I am. He's a weight-loss success story and I'm a dismal failure, but he's not much better off than I am.
All of this is sour-grapes rationalization, and none of it excuses my being fat. But it does give me some food for thought.
Fatties don't envy skinnies, by and large. At least, this fatty doesn't. As for being the object of disgust and ridicule - well, it helps you grow a thick thin. I've been called every name in the book and I'm still ticking.
There are worse things in life than being impervious to criticism.
The rest of us have no choice but to punch above our weight and so should they
An interesting theory of the cause of the obesity epidemic (a theory which I independently came about last year, NB) by some military doc and this guy is that livestock breeding and antibiotic/probiotic feeding has inadvertently selected also for fattening microbiota, which has then spread to humans.
This might explain some of the geographical distribution of obesity, by proximity to feedlots and agriculture.
What about that new and improved culture in your yogurt, the one that has been proven to promote health and vigour? Proven in beef cattle?
http://achemicalhunger.com/
I wrote a very brief précis here:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/will-the-fat-become-the-next-identity-politics-sacred-cow/#comment-5145172
This make the animal grow faster.
No problem with this from this human here.
What I do not like.
Those preservative are used in human food.
Those chemicals slip beyond stomach fluid.
Same effect as piglets
It's making us fatter!Replies: @Esso
Around this time of year, perhaps it isn’t so ironic, but blatantly obvious as far as the timing of the NYT article.
Mardi Gras, or FAT Tuesday, also known as Carnival in Latin American nations, before the beginning of Lent, is this Tuesday, March 2.
Carnival in Brazil, particularly in Rio is world famous for their women parading around in the streets, most of them aren’t particularly obese. Perhaps now with fat laws some parts of Brazil will have their own fat acceptance based Mardi Gras carnival as a counter parade to all the fat phobia that they’ve been discriminated against by such as people as…
I read this and immediately thought this has to be one for you, classic Sailer fodder.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-medical-graduate-set-to-become-first-indigenous-female-surgeon-20220224-p59zbt.html#comments
Growing up in a remote part of central west NSW, Rachel Farrelly would spend two hours travelling by bus to get to school each morning.
The daily routine was so gruelling that, by the time she was eight, her parents made a life-changing decision: they would ditch traditional school and teach their children from home, about 40 kilometres southwest of Orange.
40 kms southwest of Orange is a thriving inland empire from Sydney, a well funded city that serves a rapidly expanding region of tree-change inner city folk seeking well preserved parks, refurbished art-deco themed early 20th C buildings alongside free public funded health hospitals, new vineyrads expanding south west from the gentrified Mudgee.
40kms southwest of Orange puts this Gunu woman in the vicinity of Cargo.
Some 20kms north of Canowindra. A town well know for its race track and horse breeding studs
Stuck between one of the most sort after inland west of Sydney regional winery townships, this young coon lived her life oppressed on account of being White with an Irish surname, living amongst people predominantly White and, not only that, but with Irish surnames.
Being raised in an Aboriginal community
Such a broad gambit. For instance : I was born AND raised in an Aboriginal community: For I AM a proud Dharug man!
Am I an Aborigine?
The College estimates that there are 3500 patients for every non-Indigenous surgeon compared to roughly 200,000 patients for every Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander surgeon. Another 230 Indigenous surgeons are needed to reach parity.
…
We need another 230 White women with Irish, Scottish or Anglo surnames claiming aboriginal ancestry to reach parity with the asian and or sub-continent pakis or dot indians?
“I was the first in my family to go to university,” Dr Farrelly said.
So was I. I was also the first to drop out. My youngest sister matriculated with honours. My achievement was really nothing to write home about. All I did was apply.
A recent Australian Indigenous Doctors’ Association report found of Australia’s approximately 71,700 medical specialists only 0.15 per cent identify as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander.
Royal Australasian College of Surgeons NSW chair Dr Payal Mukherjee said the College is “on a mission” to address both the gender gap and workforce inequities faced by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.
Lot’s of dot Indians like Dr Payal Mukherjee have find a wide open land of easy feasting in the Australian medical system. They’ve found sinecures so sinecured they’re secured for life so long as they keep articulating how White women claiming aboriginal ancestry are oppressed and their matriculation is a great achievement for full blown indiginous ozzies in Arnhem Land with one leg, failing kidneys and diabetes.
“We know good health outcomes are attained when people providing healthcare are representative of the community,” Dr Mukherjee said.
Think about that statement.
No. I mean, really think about that.
“We know good health outcomes are attained when people providing healthcare are representative of the community.”
Everything about it is contra-indicated to everything we’re constantly being told about how we are evil for wanting our own people, on account of our skin colour.
Anyone who works with Brazilians can confirm this. Traveling there ten years ago used to be like a time machine. Slender, feminine women who took care of their appearance. Not so much these days.
Brazil, America, and Russia have all lost the Battle of the Bulge.
Apparently, Norway too.
https://sciencenorway.no/obesity-weight-gain-weight-loss/weight-gain-in-the-population-is-not-due-to-less-exercise/1868131
Also, Southern Europe.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/29/health/childhood-obesity-europe-mediterranean-study-intl/index.html
As a typical Amerimutt, you are confused. All the SJW/LGBT stuff you mentioned was common in Brazil long before it was in America.
If anything it was exported from countries like Brazil to America.
We shall bury you ... when our knees give out and we topple on top of you.
It's just after 2 a.m. here ... only four more hours until Burger King starts serving breakfast! No morning is complete without a large Double Crossain'wich combo. Hell, why not two combos?
I can feel my heart fluttering with excitement just thinking about it.Replies: @Esso, @VivaLaMigra
Moving to Russia might help people lose weight in the near future. Maybe all those commenters here who see Putin as their personal savior against Western sickness and degeneration aren’t so wrong after all.
Sure, most likely there won’t be starvation or anything like that, but a man can eat only so much cabbage.
What happens when the obese become a majority? Will we be allowed to laugh at them then?
Of course not. It's like that great quote from Christopher Caldwell " We move swiftly and imperceptibly from a world in which affirmative action can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too weak, to one where it can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too strong”.
Besides stuffing my face, I use a variety of psychological coping mechanisms to deal with being fat. One of them is collecting stories of fit, attractive people who met bad ends.
Like this guy:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BEP6FcNCcAAiABC.jpg
One can only wonder what this means for Miss BumBum.
As the token fattie around here, I feel compelled to say ... fat f**ks of the world, unite!
We shall bury you ... when our knees give out and we topple on top of you.
It's just after 2 a.m. here ... only four more hours until Burger King starts serving breakfast! No morning is complete without a large Double Crossain'wich combo. Hell, how about two combos?
I can feel my heart fluttering with excitement just thinking about it.Replies: @Old Prude, @YetAnotherAnon
Gotta be happy with the way those comments came in, Stan. Two for one. Right up your alley, big guy.
Over the weekend, I got quite a shock when I was informed that my local Chili's is closing down tomorrow. Now I'll have to go several miles out of my way to pig out on those Bacon Ranch Chicken Quesadillas! Corporate bastards!
I'm still mourning the closure of TGI Fridays a couple of years back.
If you can't count on cheap chain restaurants to serve greasy food 'til the end of time, what can you count on?
At least we'll always have Denny's.
Their body is a temple. The temple of Bacchus, apparently.
My impression is that the average Brazilian diet is heavy on starches, too many sugary sodas. They don’t have enough money to buy high quality animal foods. Pork and pork sausages is what they get and chicken. To eat with lotsa rice, some beans, starchy tubers. Tropical countries have a 100 different starchy tubers. You can see them here in ethnic grocery stores. Not enough money buy vegetables for salads. Sure they eat some salads but….
If you are wealthy in Brazil you have no excuse to be obese. You can afford a rational diet.
"cow meat", for something that is done repetitively so it becomes cloy. But nowadays the Chinese are eating our meat. Thefore, it's becoming expensive.
Japan will remain the only 100+ M inhabitants country with lean people. All others, including China, either are or are becoming grossly obese.
I have a vision of the future in which the life of man is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, fat, black, stupid and gay.
Sounds like Derb needs to update his coverage on the Miss Bum Bum pageant. Or maybe not…
If we’ve lost the Brazilian booty contestants, what’s left?
Not a future I care to contemplate (sober,anyway):
Here’s to you, Miss BumBum!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Bumbum#/media/File%3ADom_Dom_Dim!_Dim_Dim_Dom!_(6842458908).jpg
If you are wealthy in Brazil you have no excuse to be obese. You can afford a rational diet.Replies: @Anonymous, @J.Ross
The traditional protein in Brazilian cuisine is red meat. It was so common in the past, that there are a popular expression “carne de vaca “, wich means
“cow meat”, for something that is done repetitively so it becomes cloy. But nowadays the Chinese are eating our meat. Thefore, it’s becoming expensive.
If anything it was exported from countries like Brazil to America.Replies: @neutral, @Anon
First of all I am definitely not American, secondly those SJW inventions were clearly not from Brazil, it was always from America and it’s satellite states such as Sweden and France.
Of course, being mentally sane people, they didn't push it to the extreme. They distance themselves from blacks, but they did not oppress them in a classical American way. Even their miscegenationist cases don't flight from whiteness.Replies: @James J O'Meara
India or Pakistan are hardly known for their fatties.
But their (India,Pakistan) body-type is conductive to obesity. Just give them a chance, and they'll swiftly outpace Mexico.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYYuyCt6P0E
Brazil is 47% European white. Did you expect the average Brazilian to look like Gisele Bundchen? Aren’t 250-lb. black Brazilian women rainhas too?
Anyway, following American trends, the poor are increasingly fat, the middle class and upper are more fit. This happens all over the Western world.
This has to do mostly with the extremely bad quality of current processed industrial food, as well as more sedentary lives thanks to digital technology. Since this trend is difficult to reverse, and there's no interest in doing it anyway, it is easier for governments to pretend to fight against "gordofobia" or fatphobia than promoting a healthy lifestyle.
This also puts the lie on the idea that governments were worried about our "health" during Covid. No, they wanted (still want) to try new methods of social control, that's all. The otherwise useless "vaccine passports" are proof of that.Replies: @Arclight
It’s not just confined to Western nations – India also has an obesity problem now, when just a generation ago the percentage of the population that was obese was in the low single digits.
Anyway, completely agree with your sentiments about the government’s complete lack of interest in Americans’ health. Given that obesity is one of the most common contributing factors to severe illness or death from Covid, it would have been an opportune time for a national campaign to encourage more healthy lifestyles yet it was total crickets on that front.
https://www.insightsonindia.com/2021/03/23/insights-into-editorial-aadhaar-as-a-hurdle-on-authentication-failures-and-welfare-delivery/
It’s going to be a topic of increasing cogdis that the great cost of global warming to the West will, of course, be the displacement or economic push of vast numbers of people from other places into the West. IE, the greatest threat from global warming to the West is mass migration of the kind the same people who are most worried about global warming tell us is something we’re wrong to consider a threat.
Similarly the post-modern critical theory ideal that people can’t be thought to be nicer to marginalised groups, they simply have to be displaced by marginalised groups in order to stop discrimination of marginalised groups. Like this African-American woman in Japan who complains that there aren’t enough ‘diversity of body types’ in Japan and she hopes that will change because it ‘needs to change’. Whether by the importation of more obese people from abroad or Japanese themselves becoming more unhealthy or some undefined combination is not specified. There’s just no chance Japanese might learn to be nicer to fat people (Who hardly profit from their obesity) to this black woman the obvious and moral conclusion to this situation is the displacement of the thin and the Japanese. That surely won’t make the thin or the Japanese resent the obese or the non-Japanese.
Why not? The good thing about giving shit to fat asses is even if they’re tougher than you, they still have to catch you before they can beat you.
https://www.laestrella.com.pa/uploads/2019/09/30/5d91ce8057220.jpegReplies: @The Wild Geese Howard
There is at least one Mr. in that photo.
Anyway, completely agree with your sentiments about the government's complete lack of interest in Americans' health. Given that obesity is one of the most common contributing factors to severe illness or death from Covid, it would have been an opportune time for a national campaign to encourage more healthy lifestyles yet it was total crickets on that front.Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Johann Ricke
They can fix that by shutting down peoples’ Aadhar national digital biometric ID accounts:
https://www.insightsonindia.com/2021/03/23/insights-into-editorial-aadhaar-as-a-hurdle-on-authentication-failures-and-welfare-delivery/
The global weight gain is 100% environmental. It is another example where MBAs are screwing the rest of us.
Every portion size is larger. The small fries at fast food places used to be normal. People drink 20oz soft drinks instead of 12 oz cans. Examples are multifold. The additional cost of larger sizes are minimal and the additional cost is mostly profit.
But this is the big thing no one mentions much, so maybe I doubt myself. My thesis: everything tastes better nowadays. A Dorito in 1982 was a corn chip with a little dust. Now the things come drenched in a cheesy, salty, spicy powder which is wholly delicious. I love Doritos and so I eat them about twice a year or else I will be 500 lbs. And the single serving pack is three times the size of the old pack. Restaurant food is better – all the CIA grads have to work somewhere and all the meals are packed with cream and butter and salt. Plus serving size increase.
I shudder when I see people in poor areas packing their carts with giant bags of chips and two liter sodas. But they cannot help themselves because all the advertising dollars are on the Taki’s side (the chip manufacturer, not the Greek tennis player).
How do we fix this? Bloomberg got crushed for the soda size thing. Actually I am more and more seeing Bloomberg’s benign despotism in a good light, no matter what the horse faced lesbians say.
As the token fattie around here, I feel compelled to say ... fat f**ks of the world, unite!
We shall bury you ... when our knees give out and we topple on top of you.
It's just after 2 a.m. here ... only four more hours until Burger King starts serving breakfast! No morning is complete without a large Double Crossain'wich combo. Hell, how about two combos?
I can feel my heart fluttering with excitement just thinking about it.Replies: @Old Prude, @YetAnotherAnon
“NOTE: I submitted this comment, but I don’t see it showing up at all. If it’s a duplicate, please disregard this one.”
If I submit a comment when there are no visible approved comments (so looks like I’m going to be Comment 1) then it ALWAYS disappears. I don’t get the usual “awaiting approval” view that I would if mine was comment 56.
Just an idiosyncrasy of Ron’s software I think.
When you think you're going to be "first", it's almost always because Steve has not started moderating any comments.Replies: @res
But that comment is up now, so evidently it did go through.
No doubt those dastardly Russian hackers are trying to prevent the free flow of information. Will Putin's minions stop at nothing in their quest to conquer the world?
In other news, our beloved Biden's bloviations will grace our telescreens tomorrow night. Will he echo FDR? "The only thing we have to fear is neo-Nazism and homophobia!" Or Churchill? "I have nothing to offer but snot, puke, pus, and [rhymes with rum]!" Or Reagan? "I've just signed legislation outlawing Russia forever; we start bombing in five minutes!" Or Clinton? "There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by getting rid of white people!" Or Bush the Son? "There ought to be limits to freedom!"
Perhaps he'll echo his own iconic line, whispered in Obama's ear at the moment of the Numinous Negro's greatest victory - the passage of Obamacare: "This is a big f**king deal!"
I, for one, can't wait.
Obesity is strongly correlated with severe covid (yeah – it exists), not to mention high levels of type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, etc.
Normalizing obesity is stupid. Whatever woke anti fatists might say.
The BMI map of Europe is scary. Colorado usually comes in as the state with the lowest obesity rates. Yet, Colorado now has a higher BMI rate than Mississippi (they or West Virginia usually have the worst current obesity level) had about 1990. So the trend here is also pretty bad.
Bill Maher (occasionally a voice of reason) has spoken of this problem several times. Another reason the woke don’t like him.
Write it off to the cult of transfoodism, where a wheelbarrow-sized hot fudge sundae identifies as an ice cream antipasto salad in a whipped cream vinaigrette. Welcome to Basketcase & Robbins: 31 flavors of self-deception. Have a hot fudge salad, in your hip-hugger skinny jeans and a tank top. Oh, and post it to Twitter @ #selflove, #2sexy4u, and #acceptme.
They are fatties when they can allow it. Otherwise, they are undernourished. If you look at them, many are walking corpses as if they’ve come out straight from Buchenwald.
But their (India,Pakistan) body-type is conductive to obesity. Just give them a chance, and they’ll swiftly outpace Mexico.
Are you kidding? The only Indians in tiktok videos who aren’t fat are young or very poor, and even some of the young are fat. That aggressively mediocre statue they built is of the standard pudgy middle-aged guy.
If you are wealthy in Brazil you have no excuse to be obese. You can afford a rational diet.Replies: @Anonymous, @J.Ross
Brazil and Argentina are the only countries that eat beef like the USA, in fact historically Argentines are more than us.
Long ago, Brazil defined itself as a racial democracy.
Of course, being mentally sane people, they didn’t push it to the extreme. They distance themselves from blacks, but they did not oppress them in a classical American way. Even their miscegenationist cases don’t flight from whiteness.
https://counter-currents.com/2021/12/schopenhauer-as-novelist/MdA was himself a descendent of slaves, and apparently that was common and of no particular consequence (unlike the USA, where even immigrants get special benefits due to the "legacy of slavery" that never affected them). Although written in the 1880s, long after slavery, it's set in the 1820s or so, and the text is filled with the most casual references to slaves: being ridden by mischievous children, ha ha ha, beaten, sold, argued over when an estate is being probated, etc. The translator notes that one scene is set at what was the largest slave market in the New World and notes that Brazil had millions more slaves than the USA -- though she doesn't point out that this makes the Portuguese the real villains of New World slavery, not the South. He's not "based" but rather seems to think, like Schopenhauer, that people in general are bad enough, so what do you expect?As for the main topic here, if the Brazilians are not longer going to be thong-worthy, then what good are they? Just another New World shithole.
Recife is also the blackest of Brazil’s biggest metros. (It’s the biggest metro of the blackest (NE) region.)
If I submit a comment when there are no visible approved comments (so looks like I'm going to be Comment 1) then it ALWAYS disappears. I don't get the usual "awaiting approval" view that I would if mine was comment 56.
Just an idiosyncrasy of Ron's software I think.Replies: @AnotherDad, @Stan Adams
Maybe, there’s a “bug” where Steve has to actually start moderating comments, for your comment to view–even to yourself?
When you think you’re going to be “first”, it’s almost always because Steve has not started moderating any comments.
PSA:
I’m the furthest thing from a style maven, but let me just say that–for most women–the thong is “just not a good look”.
Walking the beach near everyday, I see a number of thongs. It’s a rare bird that can really carry it off. There was a gal laying out–last spring sometime–right next to the condo beach access we use, who really had the ass for it. And AnotherMom–very anti-thong and happy they seem to be in decline–and i both remarked, ok she can do it.
For most women–even ruling out the obese–it’s really not a winner. Even the non-fat girls with nice bodies, often the thong just doesn’t emphasize the right lines and looks “asinine”. Most gals are better off with something that adds some structure or emphasizes a different “line” in their lower anatomy.
Ladies, get an objective–male–opinion before venturing out.
Salvador is the blackest big city in Brazil. And it has many more “real blacks” – pretos – than Recife, 28% vs 8%.
I'm the furthest thing from a style maven, but let me just say that--for most women--the thong is "just not a good look".
Walking the beach near everyday, I see a number of thongs. It's a rare bird that can really carry it off. There was a gal laying out--last spring sometime--right next to the condo beach access we use, who really had the ass for it. And AnotherMom--very anti-thong and happy they seem to be in decline--and i both remarked, ok she can do it.
For most women--even ruling out the obese--it's really not a winner. Even the non-fat girls with nice bodies, often the thong just doesn't emphasize the right lines and looks "asinine". Most gals are better off with something that adds some structure or emphasizes a different "line" in their lower anatomy.
Ladies, get an objective--male--opinion before venturing out.Replies: @Alfa158, @Beach Jim
There was a comedienne who had a joke about thongs that ran something like; “I don’t get why women are wearing these thongs. I’ve spent my life struggling to keep my underwear from riding up like that and giving me a wedgie.”
“typical airplane seatbelts didn’t fit her”
Oh, sweet Fanny Adams! I am a ‘big’ guy at 6′ 2″ tall and 220 pounds but there is a foot of slack in the belt when I close it about my person. And an inch or two of space to either side of my bum up to the armrests. Just how much of a porker does one have to be for an airplane seatbelt to come up short?
Overeating is as voluntary an occupation as overdrinking, but one can be ticketed or even arrested for being drunk in public. No such restriction on the obese, however.
To paraphrase Winston Churchill, chastised by a woman for his drunkenness, his reply might have been, “And you, dear lady, are [fat]. In the morning I shall be sober.”
One reason the ancient Greeks exercised in the nude was to discourage flabbiness. Another was that they hated tan lines.
My now-late 500lb, 6’5″ BIL found my car’s seat belts difficult to buckle and uncomfortably tight, so I got him a ~10 inch extension at the dealer. It was free, probably by government edict, if anyone here needs one. He got colon cancer at 50, possibly due to overuse.
Yes, I was quite gratified. But not satiated … I’m never satiated.
Over the weekend, I got quite a shock when I was informed that my local Chili’s is closing down tomorrow. Now I’ll have to go several miles out of my way to pig out on those Bacon Ranch Chicken Quesadillas! Corporate bastards!
I’m still mourning the closure of TGI Fridays a couple of years back.
If you can’t count on cheap chain restaurants to serve greasy food ’til the end of time, what can you count on?
At least we’ll always have Denny’s.
If I submit a comment when there are no visible approved comments (so looks like I'm going to be Comment 1) then it ALWAYS disappears. I don't get the usual "awaiting approval" view that I would if mine was comment 56.
Just an idiosyncrasy of Ron's software I think.Replies: @AnotherDad, @Stan Adams
Last night around 2:30 a.m. (E) this site had a denial-of-service attack. After submitting a comment on another thread, I saw the “Checking your browser before accessing unz.com” message for about a minute and then got a “database error” screen.
But that comment is up now, so evidently it did go through.
No doubt those dastardly Russian hackers are trying to prevent the free flow of information. Will Putin’s minions stop at nothing in their quest to conquer the world?
In other news, our beloved Biden’s bloviations will grace our telescreens tomorrow night. Will he echo FDR? “The only thing we have to fear is neo-Nazism and homophobia!” Or Churchill? “I have nothing to offer but snot, puke, pus, and [rhymes with rum]!” Or Reagan? “I’ve just signed legislation outlawing Russia forever; we start bombing in five minutes!” Or Clinton? “There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by getting rid of white people!” Or Bush the Son? “There ought to be limits to freedom!”
Perhaps he’ll echo his own iconic line, whispered in Obama’s ear at the moment of the Numinous Negro’s greatest victory – the passage of Obamacare: “This is a big f**king deal!”
I, for one, can’t wait.
I'm the furthest thing from a style maven, but let me just say that--for most women--the thong is "just not a good look".
Walking the beach near everyday, I see a number of thongs. It's a rare bird that can really carry it off. There was a gal laying out--last spring sometime--right next to the condo beach access we use, who really had the ass for it. And AnotherMom--very anti-thong and happy they seem to be in decline--and i both remarked, ok she can do it.
For most women--even ruling out the obese--it's really not a winner. Even the non-fat girls with nice bodies, often the thong just doesn't emphasize the right lines and looks "asinine". Most gals are better off with something that adds some structure or emphasizes a different "line" in their lower anatomy.
Ladies, get an objective--male--opinion before venturing out.Replies: @Alfa158, @Beach Jim
I rarely comment, but I tend to enjoy your comments, AnotherDad. I had to chime in that you are entirely correct about thongs. I worked at a bikini shop for a while during college and I learned much more about women’s swimwear than I ever cared to know. I remember the best weeks of the year were when the models for the catalogue would come into the shop to take the pictures for the new line coming out. As a young guy, it was quite a treat. However, also as a young guy, I used to think, “More thongs! More flesh!” I recall standing around chatting with the other employees and the idea of more revealing is always better was being bandied about. The owner walked by and overheard us (he was a family friend which is how I ended up at that job for a few years in the first place) and schooled us. He said, “Since you’re already looking anyway, you all agree all of these models are beautiful. But look at the different styles and cuts that I’ll put them in. It’s designed to highlight their different shapes.” We all started really paying attention and he was absolutely right. The woman who wore the thong was definitely beautiful, but the other gals ended up looking much better because the suit really fit their body types. It really is a rare gal that can pull off the thong.
Sweet Dee gets some help with that:
https://youtu.be/EVLYagewPM0
Mardi Gras, or FAT Tuesday, also known as Carnival in Latin American nations, before the beginning of Lent, is this Tuesday, March 2.
Carnival in Brazil, particularly in Rio is world famous for their women parading around in the streets, most of them aren't particularly obese. Perhaps now with fat laws some parts of Brazil will have their own fat acceptance based Mardi Gras carnival as a counter parade to all the fat phobia that they've been discriminated against by such as people as...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF2eyUNpBcReplies: @Almost Missouri
Don’t watch 3:19 – 3:36.
This might explain some of the geographical distribution of obesity, by proximity to feedlots and agriculture.
What about that new and improved culture in your yogurt, the one that has been proven to promote health and vigour? Proven in beef cattle?Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Yngvar
A more general version of that is among the three principal theses promulgated by these guys:
http://achemicalhunger.com/
I wrote a very brief précis here:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/will-the-fat-become-the-next-identity-politics-sacred-cow/#comment-5145172
I believe Brazil always had gay pride. Sometimes a bit too much judging by the men’s swim suits or lack of. And the guys who run the Carnival Organizations as full time occupations.
the schools are buying bigger desks
One size fits all.
When you think you're going to be "first", it's almost always because Steve has not started moderating any comments.Replies: @res
That’s the most plausible sounding explanation for the behavior I have seen. I wonder if Ron could check into that.
You do have a point.
Then again, it’s interesting that both of the older guys who are constantly giving me crap about my weight IRL have gay sons. I’m serious – the boys are “out” and everything. They’re smart and successful – one’s a doctor, the other an opera singer – and they’re both destined to be genetic dead-ends. (What they do with their rear ends, I neither know nor want to know.)
I have never – not once – made a snippy comment about this phenomenon. Not one snide remark along the lines of “No wonder your son is thin – all he eats is d**k.”
A friend of mine used to be fat as a kid, then slimmed down tremendously in late adolescence. Now he’s in his early thirties. He’s very fit (and very bald), but his notch count has dropped to zilch since COVID and he’s no closer to fulfilling his Darwinian mandate than I am. He’s a weight-loss success story and I’m a dismal failure, but he’s not much better off than I am.
All of this is sour-grapes rationalization, and none of it excuses my being fat. But it does give me some food for thought.
Fatties don’t envy skinnies, by and large. At least, this fatty doesn’t. As for being the object of disgust and ridicule – well, it helps you grow a thick thin. I’ve been called every name in the book and I’m still ticking.
There are worse things in life than being impervious to criticism.
Diet manuals will be outlawed? Reporting on health hazards for overweight people will be a career killer, similar to reporting on Black crime and underperformance?
Will fatness add intersectionality points?
Fat transsexual black Lesbians will be at the top of the hierarchy?
Will we see surgical interventions to increase fatness? Dieting will be as taboo as "curing" homosexuality?
What will be the next fad?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @RAZ
Army General Milley not looking like he would pass a fitness test. OTOH Marine Generals always look taut.
In addition to Carnival, Brazil has something called Miss Bum Bum Competition held in the summer. The women that compete are young and definitely not in the obese category.
Perhaps Katharine (aka “Miss Smutty Pictures”) could post a link to the Miss Bum Bum Competition. FYI: Regarding posterior physique, these Brazilian Bum Bum Contestants are the original Kardashians.
As Mel Brooks would say, “When ya got it, flaunt it!” Apparently this comedianne has nothing to flaunt.
Tying together several current themes, many of the beaches in Brazil (particularly Guarapari) are more radioactive than Pripyat (where the Chernobyl reactor is located).
South Asians have higher body fat and lower lean body mass than white people. Look it up.
What happens when the obese become a majority? Will we be allowed to laugh at them then?
Of course not. It’s like that great quote from Christopher Caldwell ” We move swiftly and imperceptibly from a world in which affirmative action can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too weak, to one where it can’t be ended because its beneficiaries are too strong”.
My body isn’t a temple, it’s an amusement park.–Anthony Bourdain
Is nothing sacred?
If we’ve lost the Brazilian booty contestants, what’s left?
Not a future I care to contemplate (sober,anyway):
Here’s to you, Miss BumBum!
South Asians are some of the unhealthiest people in the world and have incredibly high heart disease rates: https://stanfordhealthcare.org/stanford-health-care-now/2015/south-asians-heart-disease-qa.html
Live in São Paulo, can confirm that people have not only gotten noticeably fatter in the last 10 years, they’ve gotten noticeably uglier and trashier, especially youth. Blue, green, and rainbow hair used to be n0n-existent, now ubiquitous. Young men also increasingly gay and low testosterone. Bizarre clothing and androgynous appearances getting more and more common. An outright majority of young people now have tattoos, piercings or worse. Pandemic has massively worsened the situation and masks make these people even more repulsive than they already are.
Diets are deteriorating fast with a fast-food chain at every corner, but it can only partly explain this phenomenon. US-style Wokeness has slammed into urban Brazilian middle-classes and elites starting at about ~2013 but intensifying and spreading around ~2018-2019. Adverts increasingly show uglier and fatter people, trends like Afro hair and neckbeards are being promoted and morbid obesity fetishized. I see tons of elite, naturally good-looking people now actively destroying themselves to look uglier because it’s “in”. Degenerate Anime and general Bugman stuff like obsession with Netflix and US anti-cultural garbage are also going strong. What makes matters worse is that the supposedly “anti-American” faction (PT and leftists) is even more woke and culturally poisonous than the Globo and Netflix-fed mainstream. Left has been so completely taken over by US wokeness that they are starting to slowly and perhaps unconsciously reverse their previously anti-American and pro-Russian stances. No longer that clear whether Bolsonaro or Lula would be the State Department’s candidate of choice. Globo (US-propaganda machine) has already fully embraced the drunk squid.
Smaller/mid-sized towns do feel like a different world though, a lot more conservative and less human misery around (despite the cities themselves sucking bad). Brazil is starting to look like a much trashier and poorer version of North America, and it horrifies me. I’m happy Bolsonaro might be seeing where the winds are blowing and is starting to slowly distance himself from the satanic regime in Washington.
Well said. It appears that, due in large part to the overwhelmingly vegetarian culture of India, carbs are eaten at a very high rate. I saw one travel show where they featured a fried potato ball on a bun sandwich (vada pav?). Yikes!!! Carbs on carbs.
https://food52.com/recipes/84287-vada-pav-recipe
Diet plays a role, for sure, but I think there are genetic factors at play, too, hence:
Diets are deteriorating fast with a fast-food chain at every corner, but it can only partly explain this phenomenon. US-style Wokeness has slammed into urban Brazilian middle-classes and elites starting at about ~2013 but intensifying and spreading around ~2018-2019. Adverts increasingly show uglier and fatter people, trends like Afro hair and neckbeards are being promoted and morbid obesity fetishized. I see tons of elite, naturally good-looking people now actively destroying themselves to look uglier because it's "in". Degenerate Anime and general Bugman stuff like obsession with Netflix and US anti-cultural garbage are also going strong. What makes matters worse is that the supposedly "anti-American" faction (PT and leftists) is even more woke and culturally poisonous than the Globo and Netflix-fed mainstream. Left has been so completely taken over by US wokeness that they are starting to slowly and perhaps unconsciously reverse their previously anti-American and pro-Russian stances. No longer that clear whether Bolsonaro or Lula would be the State Department's candidate of choice. Globo (US-propaganda machine) has already fully embraced the drunk squid.
Smaller/mid-sized towns do feel like a different world though, a lot more conservative and less human misery around (despite the cities themselves sucking bad). Brazil is starting to look like a much trashier and poorer version of North America, and it horrifies me. I'm happy Bolsonaro might be seeing where the winds are blowing and is starting to slowly distance himself from the satanic regime in Washington.Replies: @Twinkie
”Starting to”?
Thanks for the correction on beef eating in Brazil. So beef over pork in Brazil? I always knew Argentines were big on beef.
Every portion size is larger. The small fries at fast food places used to be normal. People drink 20oz soft drinks instead of 12 oz cans. Examples are multifold. The additional cost of larger sizes are minimal and the additional cost is mostly profit.
But this is the big thing no one mentions much, so maybe I doubt myself. My thesis: everything tastes better nowadays. A Dorito in 1982 was a corn chip with a little dust. Now the things come drenched in a cheesy, salty, spicy powder which is wholly delicious. I love Doritos and so I eat them about twice a year or else I will be 500 lbs. And the single serving pack is three times the size of the old pack. Restaurant food is better - all the CIA grads have to work somewhere and all the meals are packed with cream and butter and salt. Plus serving size increase.
I shudder when I see people in poor areas packing their carts with giant bags of chips and two liter sodas. But they cannot help themselves because all the advertising dollars are on the Taki's side (the chip manufacturer, not the Greek tennis player).
How do we fix this? Bloomberg got crushed for the soda size thing. Actually I am more and more seeing Bloomberg's benign despotism in a good light, no matter what the horse faced lesbians say.Replies: @Steve Sailer
“But this is the big thing no one mentions much, so maybe I doubt myself. My thesis: everything tastes better nowadays.”
I think so. For example, pizzas in the 1970s in Los Angeles weren’t as delicious as they are now.
If you have not, consider visiting a Brazilian or Argentine steakhouse. It’s expensive but totally worth it.
A good old fashioned thrashing would be well warranted .
The rest of us have no choice but to punch above our weight and so should they
I cannot eat enough to justify the expense. If it was $40 and grass fed I would. As it is I have seen 5 or so youtube videos of people chowing down in such places. Lamb loin chops were recently on sale. Bunch of those were an ultimate enough red meat fix for me. I know all the trix. Grill. Dip each piece as you eat, in a tiny bit of sea salt. Have nice Italian bread on the side to eat as you go along and mop up juices. Some pickled hot cherry peppers too.
Hate to brag, but I can deconstruct any food for you.
Asking the wrong guy, do quiche.
This thread has a lot of great comments regarding the causes of the obesity epidemic. Modern life has contributed so many reasons for it. One that has not been mentioned in the now almost universal use of air conditioning. I grew up in mid 20th century NYC. Neither my school , my home or my family’s car had air conditioning. Weekends and school vacations were spent outside playing with the plentiful baby boomer kids of the era. The summer heat was inescapable. I sweated all day long and drank huge volumes of water to stay hydrated. People would sleep on balconies and fire escapes to try to cool down. Others went to sleep down by the rivers if they knew a good spot. I remember when I was in the hospital to have my tonsils removed that the window in my room was wide open to let the air in. I gotta believe that the constant sweating and liquid consumption played a role in keeping weight in check.
Don’t fear the gordita, little fat one.
You mean natto.
Brazil 30 years ago has almost no overweight people. There were very few fast food restaurants. The people drank soda constantly. There was no diet soda. 90% of the women had great bodies, though only 10% had great faces.
I wonder if Brazil uses high fructose corn syrup in soda now.
Tall and tan and young and lovely,
the girl from Ipanema goes walking,
and when she passes,
each one she passes, goes ahhhhh
When she walks, she’s like a samba
That swings so cool and sways so gently
That when she passes,
each one she passes goes, ahhhhh
Anyway, completely agree with your sentiments about the government's complete lack of interest in Americans' health. Given that obesity is one of the most common contributing factors to severe illness or death from Covid, it would have been an opportune time for a national campaign to encourage more healthy lifestyles yet it was total crickets on that front.Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Johann Ricke
Swapping half of food stamp benefits would immediately slash obesity rates. Problem is Dems would immediately whine about keeds going hungry (presumably between meals) and immediately jack up the food stamps to their former levels without similarly slashing cash bennies.
My mind is blown, plot the graph between omelette pie and fermented beans.
I wonder if Brazil uses high fructose corn syrup in soda now.Replies: @J.Ross
Possibly not because sugar cane is such a big crop in Brazil they had sugar-powered consumer vehicles long before Tesla.
If anything it was exported from countries like Brazil to America.Replies: @neutral, @Anon
We all know that you’re an Amerimutt, Anon 555, you’ve posted about how you’ve lived in flyover North America before.
This might explain some of the geographical distribution of obesity, by proximity to feedlots and agriculture.
What about that new and improved culture in your yogurt, the one that has been proven to promote health and vigour? Proven in beef cattle?Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Yngvar
Poultry and livestock in our service have for years been fed sub-clinical doses of anti-biotics to rid the gut of bacterial competition for feed (search Growth Promoters).
This make the animal grow faster.
No problem with this from this human here.
What I do not like.
Those preservative are used in human food.
Those chemicals slip beyond stomach fluid.
Same effect as piglets
It’s making us fatter!
Market forces could also contribute this selection: the farms with more fattening bacteria are thriving marginally better and survive in the competition.
There might also be conscious selection for fattening bacteria ("probiotics"), but I can't find much evidence for that. Maybe ag scientists have done this kind of work but are prudent enough not to talk about it.
These bacteria would spread to humans through vegetables fertilized with manure, or raw meat products, or the environment in general. In state of nature bacteria that bloat their hosts would not have much legs, but we are likely helping them spread if they exist.
In the future we fatties will not allow you to laugh. Your only coping mechanism will be … emotional eating.
Besides stuffing my face, I use a variety of psychological coping mechanisms to deal with being fat. One of them is collecting stories of fit, attractive people who met bad ends.
Like this guy:
Of course, being mentally sane people, they didn't push it to the extreme. They distance themselves from blacks, but they did not oppress them in a classical American way. Even their miscegenationist cases don't flight from whiteness.Replies: @James J O'Meara
As it happens, I recently reviewed the new Penguin translation of Machado de Assis’ Posthumous Memoirs of Bras Cubas (aka Epitaph of a Small Winner) at Counter-Currents and made a lot out of how odd the treatment of “color” was (because this was Counter-Currents, and because it was odd that the translator didn’t make a lot of Woke out of it, either for or against).
Schopenhauer as Novelist: The Curiously Obscure Works of Machado de Assis
https://counter-currents.com/2021/12/schopenhauer-as-novelist/
MdA was himself a descendent of slaves, and apparently that was common and of no particular consequence (unlike the USA, where even immigrants get special benefits due to the “legacy of slavery” that never affected them). Although written in the 1880s, long after slavery, it’s set in the 1820s or so, and the text is filled with the most casual references to slaves: being ridden by mischievous children, ha ha ha, beaten, sold, argued over when an estate is being probated, etc. The translator notes that one scene is set at what was the largest slave market in the New World and notes that Brazil had millions more slaves than the USA — though she doesn’t point out that this makes the Portuguese the real villains of New World slavery, not the South. He’s not “based” but rather seems to think, like Schopenhauer, that people in general are bad enough, so what do you expect?
As for the main topic here, if the Brazilians are not longer going to be thong-worthy, then what good are they? Just another New World shithole.
“It really is a rare gal that can pull off the thong.”
Sweet Dee gets some help with that:
True Conservatism: Being willing to state that fitness
is better than fatness
Not to mention that when it’s hot you just don’t feel like eating as much.
I’m no expert on the place, so I may be wrong–and I’m too lazy right now to look it up, but this article references the northern part of Brazil, and if I remember right, that area is heavily (no pun intended) black, isn’t it?
https://draxe.com/nutrition/natto/
I like the banter but you have more serious things to worry about. But natto is the new tofu for those who are in the know. Plus I think/theorize it neutralizes the fem negatives in soy. Maybe. To be determined. Lots of natto on YouTube. Over and outski!
We shall bury you ... when our knees give out and we topple on top of you.
It's just after 2 a.m. here ... only four more hours until Burger King starts serving breakfast! No morning is complete without a large Double Crossain'wich combo. Hell, why not two combos?
I can feel my heart fluttering with excitement just thinking about it.Replies: @Esso, @VivaLaMigra
Heart fluttering? Or, more likely, going into fibrillation?
This make the animal grow faster.
No problem with this from this human here.
What I do not like.
Those preservative are used in human food.
Those chemicals slip beyond stomach fluid.
Same effect as piglets
It's making us fatter!Replies: @Esso
Yes, of course, but I’m talking about breeding for weight gain acting not just on the animals themselves, but also on their gut bacteria. The selected bacteria being such that they increase the appetite of hosts or otherwise mess with their metabolism. The bacteria would be contracted from the selected mothers, or steers if they are on the same farm.
Market forces could also contribute this selection: the farms with more fattening bacteria are thriving marginally better and survive in the competition.
There might also be conscious selection for fattening bacteria (“probiotics”), but I can’t find much evidence for that. Maybe ag scientists have done this kind of work but are prudent enough not to talk about it.
These bacteria would spread to humans through vegetables fertilized with manure, or raw meat products, or the environment in general. In state of nature bacteria that bloat their hosts would not have much legs, but we are likely helping them spread if they exist.
This is an excellent argument for how we got here; tldr, restrict your oils to butter, olive, and/or coconut.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496497614325522438Replies: @Anon
I’m willing to switch and eat at home more. But I question coconut oil as a newfangled mistake: growing up in the tropics, coconut grease was held to be terrible on the arteries.
And is olive oil safe to cook with?
I can assure You that any bacteria in our food supply, or our animals food supply, have been, and are thoroughly, looked for (see fx Danish Mink cull 2020).
Otherwise, how is this fatness, in that mans theory, supposed to spread?
You get the joke, I see. I’d offer you a cookie, but I’ve already eaten all of them.
One last note though: soy is probably perfectly fine in the form that most humans have consumed it in for thousands of years, fermented. Other things are safe when fermented but poisonous or undesirable otherwise, eg, tobacco (Scandinavian snus is fermented and can be swallowed without ill effect. There is still obviously a long term risk of cancer). The bad soy is the spreading pollution of new products in search of a market, spawned by overproduction and subsidy, and sneaking GMO soy into everything.
As far as I know the most common way in America and NE Asia to consume soybeans is tofu and soy milk, which is basically watery, milky tofu. Amusingly enough, tofu specializing restaurants are more common in Korea than Japan. They are on more of a tofu kick. But.....Japanese Zen monks traditionally ate a lot of tofu, it had a reputation for reducing male sex drive. Which is useful for monks.Replies: @J.Ross
And is olive oil safe to cook with?Replies: @J.Ross
The key is rejecting seed oils which historically have not been part of any human’s diet because we have only recently developed the technology to produce them. Olives are a fruit, not a seed, and they have been consumed for millennia. Perfectly safe. But insist on “extra virgin” — Best of Journalism had a great article-advertisement explaining olive oils, tldr extra virgin is what you want, “light” or blended is garbage and possibly harmful. Look into that doctor, I forget his name but he’s praised at the end of the threadreader.
You make lots of good points there. Tofu is made by extracting the protein from soybeans. The “discarded” part of the bean goes to animal feed so none is wasted. To my mind tofu is the feminizing problem. Not consuming whole soybeans in natto etc. I emailed a soy expert but have not heard back from him.
As far as I know the most common way in America and NE Asia to consume soybeans is tofu and soy milk, which is basically watery, milky tofu. Amusingly enough, tofu specializing restaurants are more common in Korea than Japan. They are on more of a tofu kick. But…..Japanese Zen monks traditionally ate a lot of tofu, it had a reputation for reducing male sex drive. Which is useful for monks.
As far as I know the most common way in America and NE Asia to consume soybeans is tofu and soy milk, which is basically watery, milky tofu. Amusingly enough, tofu specializing restaurants are more common in Korea than Japan. They are on more of a tofu kick. But.....Japanese Zen monks traditionally ate a lot of tofu, it had a reputation for reducing male sex drive. Which is useful for monks.Replies: @J.Ross
I hadn’t heard that about the monks but, if it had that reputation among a people as detail-oriented, patient, and perverted as the Japanese, it’s your win.
Well don’t forget about the vietnamese.one of the leanest people in the world .