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In [Anti]Scientific American, Science Denier Angela Saini writes:

The Internet Is a Cesspool of Racist Pseudoscience

The author of Superior: The Return of Race Science knows this from firsthand experience

By Angela Saini on July 29, 2019

Last month, I temporarily deactivated my Twitter account following a colossal dump of racist abuse into my feed, including a man in Texas whipping up his followers to phone into an NPR radio show on which I was a guest to ask about “white genocide.”…

It’s just another day online.

The abuse I’ve seen isn’t unusual. Others receive worse, especially if they are in the public eye. My particular crime was to have written a well-reviewed popular science book about why racial categories are not as biologically meaningful as we think and how, in fact, they have been used to justify slavery and the Holocaust. These are ideas so widely accepted in mainstream academia that it should be blandly uncontroversial to repeat them. Yet to read some of the comments I’ve received, one might imagine I was hopelessly deluded.

In Superior: The Return of Race Science, I interview researchers at the cutting edge of research into human difference to journalistically expose the dangerous history of scientific racism. It is ground that has been trodden by respected scholars in the past, including evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould, historian Evelynn Hammonds and anthropologist Jonathan Marks, as well as journalists such as Amy Harmon at the New York Times. Despite all our efforts, sometimes it feels as though we are no further along.

Hey, Amy Harmon got a 90 year old man cruelly humiliated, so say not the struggle nought availeth, Angela. Who knows, maybe you’ll come up with some dirt on, say, 95-year-old Freeman Dyson or 90-year-old Edward O. Wilson and get them Canceled.

If anything, the public debate around race and science has sunk into the mud. To state even the undeniable fact that we are one human species today means falling afoul of a cabal of conspiracy theorists. The “race realists,” as they call themselves online, join the growing ranks of climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers in insisting that science is under the yoke of some grand master plan designed to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes. In their case, a left-wing plot to promote racial equality when, as far as they’re concerned, racial equality is impossible for biological reasons.

How did we get here? How did society manage to create so much room for those who genuinely believe that entire nations have innately higher or lower cognitive capacities, who think that mixed-heritage children are genetically impaired, who assume that someone’s skin color can tell you something about their IQ, and who are actively working to resurrect eugenics?

As the media landscape flattens, drawing audiences away from traditional outlets to a plethora of online ones, those with outdated views have found themselves elevated from the lonely shadows into the light. They have moved on from letters in green ink and pulled up a seat alongside reputable writers and academics. The internet has opened the door to racists and sexists, and they have happily walked in. They’re trampling over our carpets with their grubby shoes even as we offer them a drink. They have normalized extremism, pseudoscience and crackpottery.

The blame can be spread widely. Social media corporations, such as Twitter and Facebook, have allowed racist networks to proliferate. …

The racists like to couch this as a freedom of speech issue. They argue they have the right to say what they want, that the world needs more “diversity of opinion.” But do the rest of us have a duty to sit and listen to racist pseudoscience? Is society obliged to give them platforms, however much nonsense they come out with? Doesn’t it have a responsibility to protect those whose humanity and safety is threatened by the minority who seek to deny people equal rights and freedoms based on race or gender?

People once imagined that social media would somehow regulate itself, that only the truth would survive in the marketplace of ideas. If the only racists left in society were uneducated thugs at the fringes of everyday life, what harm could they pose?

But as I was reminded when I researched Superior, racists exist at all levels of society, including in academia, science, media and politics. They have money and power. The abuse dished out by these smart racists is not the fist-throwing kind, but the racism of rhetoric. It is characterized by clever euphemisms (the term “race realist” is a perfect example), carefully manipulated arguments and abusive cherry-picking of data.

What has started with a gentle creep through the back door of our computers could end, if we’re not careful, with jackboots through the front door of our homes. …

The funny thing is that Angela D. Saini isn’t some Masha Gessen-type, she’s a rather proper lady, whose all purpose reaction to being told scientific facts is more or less: “Well, I never!”

She’s like Margaret Dumont in the Marx Brothers movies, with David Reich as Groucho, except today Margaret gets the final word.

 
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  1. “But as I was reminded when I researched Superior, racists exist at all levels of society, including in academia, science, media and politics. They have money and power.”

    Clearly, Angela Saini is delusional!

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @SFG
    @BB753

    She'd include Steven Pinker, Claire Lehmann, and probably Jordan Peterson in there. Heck, she'd probably toss in Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley.

    , @eah
    @BB753

    Clearly, Angela Saini is delusional!

    The main problem with Saini (and others of her ilk) isn't that she's "delusional" (she may be; I don't know) -- or that she's scientifically ignorant; even that she writes whole books filled with scientifically ignorant nonsense -- the two main problems with Saini are that she 1) aggressively pushes the noxious 'conventional wisdom' that people who disagree with her on important/sensitive topics are morally compromised, and 2) she advocates censorship, including/especially of the internet.

    Also a problem, from what I have seen, is that she doesn't have a lot of intellectual integrity, eg she blocks and otherwise does not engage responsible people who try to constructively confront her about her wrongheadedness.

    But if she would stop condemning people who disagree with her as morally deficient, and stop trying to have the internet censored, fewer people would care about both her lack of intellectual integrity and her scientific ignorance.

    Replies: @BB753, @Forbes

    , @Prester John
    @BB753

    Not only delusional but out of her depth.

    , @Jack D
    @BB753

    It's pretty common for ideologues not to know when to quit. To an objective observer, they have defeated the main force and now are mercilessly hunting down and killing the few remaining stragglers, but from their POV in the trenches, they really don't know what hidden forces the enemy has in reserve so the wise course is to keep killing them until they receive an unconditional surrender. Sure the people they are shooting look like bedraggled old men and barefoot boys, but you KNOW that the enemy is rich and powerful - maybe they are just hiding it somehow. Who has time to analyze such things when the war is not yet over? Until you stamp out the last embers the fire may flare up again.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Kronos, @L Woods

    , @Anonymousse
    @BB753

    It’s funny to us but I get where she’s coming from...

    logically a completely pervasive all powerful conspiracy of evil racists is pretty much the only way to even attempt to explain away the endless pile of facts about inequality that those “pseudo science race realists” are maliciously cherry picking.

    Life really is a bowl of cherries!

    Most avoid dissonance by carefully remaining ignorant of the basic facts about race, but to write even her silly propaganda she had to have encountered many strong arguments that would convince any honest intelligent person.

  2. What has started with a gentle creep through the back door of our computers could end, if we’re not careful, with jackboots through the front door of our homes. …

    From your keyboard to God’s ears, Angela.

    “To lurk, to post. To post, perchance to meme. Aye there’s the rub. For in that post of lulz, what memes may come?

    • Replies: @Svigor
    @BenKenobi

    Jackboots and nooses and pitchforks and torches, these are a few of my favorite things...

    Replies: @Lot, @Cagey Beast, @Eric Novak, @ben tillman

    , @guest
    @BenKenobi

    They worry about everything ending up in jackboots. Bad jackboots, on account of not being on their feet. Remember when it was basically having a family and minding your manners? Or having a close-cropped haircut.

    , @Father O'Hara
    @BenKenobi

    First off,I took great exception to the denigration of white men by this INDIAN! Screw you,lady.
    And of course,she has to "go there",with the clip clop of jackboots. I am sure 'jackboots' is a word she heard other people use and so she decided it would sound good to throw it in there,tho she herself hasn't the slightest idea what a jackboot is.
    Who will be marching into our homes? Prussian cavalrymen?
    And if some bad guys are marching into your home,the style of boot they're wearing is not the modt pressing issue.
    And why are they doing this? Attacking Crimethink is a lefty kind of thing,innit?

    Replies: @bomag

  3. It is ground that has been trodden by respected scholars in the past, including evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould, historian Evelynn Hammonds and anthropologist Jonathan Marks, as well as journalists such as Amy Harmon at the New York Times. Despite all our efforts, sometimes it feels as though we are no further along.

    Why should I care what a journalist thinks? Or a historian for that matter, when the topic is real genetic biological differences (or perhaps even – history)? Or what hack-scientists like Gould or Marks think?

    • Replies: @guest
    @Mr. Anon

    If they feel like they're no further along, maybe it's because they've already won and there are "no more worlds to conquer." Fear remains that they might one day start losing, and frankly it's inevitable considering how bleedingly obvious is the existence of race.

    How much of an intellectual monopoly could they desire? And why do they seem ever more ravenous the longer they dominate the field of anti-race "science?" Probably because they know they're conmen staying one town ahead of the law, and sooner or later the fuzz will anticipate their moves.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @bomag

  4. I interview researchers at the cutting edge of research into human difference

    How can there be significant numbers of people at the cutting edge of research into a phenomenon that doesn’t exist?

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • LOL: Hail
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Lurker


    How can there be significant numbers of people at the cutting edge of research into a phenomenon that doesn’t exist?
     
    That is a reasonable question, and clearly so. It just happens to be no question for Angela Saini at all. So you can make fun of her via the Marx Brothers, what I have been doing before, and what Steve Sailer does too.

    Another approach would be to make use of Carlos Castaneda's ideas about a Separate Reality, occupied, and presided over even, by Angela Saini, Nature magazine's trophy wife of scientifically looking science-denying. She is in this dream-logic bubble and definitely knows how to move in it. In a way, she is a virtuoso. Might even have to do with her Indian heritage.

    , @Bugg
    @Lurker

    Did she interview Charles Murray? He could tell her how a bunch of college morons sent him to the ER, actual physical abuse.

    Replies: @Kronos

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Lurker

    For someone who doesn't believe in race she sure throws the racist card around.

  5. Put down that science, young man, before you hurt somebody.

    Oh, and everything leads to Nazis. If you keep letting facts creep in the backdoor, soon enough there will be jackboots coming in the front door. So close the door!

    What will Momma Saini scold us about next? Will she warn us that reading dirty things like iSteve will make us go blind?

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Will she warn us that reading dirty things like iSteve will make us go blind?
     
    Or hairy palms.
    , @Macumazahn
    @Buzz Mohawk

    May I read iSteve just until I need glasses?

  6. In Superior: The Return of Race Science, I interview researchers at the cutting edge of research into human difference to journalistically expose the dangerous history of scientific racism. It is ground that has been trodden by respected scholars in the past, including evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould, historian Evelynn Hammonds and anthropologist Jonathan Marks, as well as journalists such as Amy Harmon at the New York Times. Despite all our efforts, sometimes it feels as though we are no further along.

    So an over-the-hill macro evolutionary biologist who doesn’t study humans, an historian, a cultural anthropologist who attempted the block the HGDP (Ie, tried to stop research into human differences) and a journalist.
    Who were the ‘researchers at the cutting edge of research into human difference’, she interviewed?

    All I see are 4 people who are about as far from ‘objective’ as possible who can’t go one minute without their similar politics conditioning their professional output, just like Ms Saini herself.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @Altai

    We all came out of Africa, from mitochondrial Eve, don't you know. End of discussion.

    Except for the Chosen Ones.

    Any surprise that Saini looks to be an upper caste dot Indian? Wikipedia just says she was born in London. Perhaps artificially, with no parents.

  7. Steve should also note that Jonathan Marks is much like Saini, he came out repeatedly against the HGDP, hardly an effort by racists. So he, much like Saini, was on the anti-science anti-debate side, he wanted to shut down any research into such issues entirely.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/4236532?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    Hilariously Marks himself looks so Ashkenazi Jewish it’d be impossible to ascribe any other ethnicity to him on first sight.

  8. There are people who will deny that the sun rises in the east if its light reveals things you are not supposed to see in the west.

    Despite them, there is still some light in this world.

    • Replies: @Bobd
    @Buzz Mohawk


    There are people who will deny
    that the sun rises
    in the east
    if its light reveals
    things you are not supposed to see
    in the west.

    Despite them, there is still
    some light in this world.

    – Written By Maybe Nazi Bob Dylan
     

    Replies: @Realist

  9. those with outdated views

    She’s so troubled by those people. And so we all must be. They’re on the wrong side of history, you know. And conveniently enough, they’re the only ones getting ‘deplatformed’ left and right, and oddly enough Angela Saini has absolutely nothing to say about that.

    Which makes sense, when you think about it, because if she so much as acknowledged any of them, that would be giving them a voice. And do the rest of us have a duty to sit and listen to stuff we don’t like? I’ll say we don’t!

    In Angela’s world, fringe dissidents actually wield the money and power, and are on the verge (any day now) of vanquishing the CNNs, NYTs, WaPos, Facebooks and Twitters of the world. Jackboots are just around the corner! Eternal vigilance is required, not to mention brave, courageous souls, like, um, Angela Saini.

  10. So little Ms. Pseudoscience accuses others of pseudoscience….. ROTFLMAO…….

    Stupid or dishonest, stupid or dishonest, hmmmm, it still looks like a midwit showing her cluelessness more than rank dishonesty and hypocrisy…..

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Gaius Gracchus


    Stupid or dishonest, stupid or dishonest, hmmmm, it still looks like a midwit showing her cluelessness more than rank dishonesty and hypocrisy…..
     
    It can be hard to tell, but the product is always profoundly stupid and easily refuted. That's why the good guys are always denied a platform.
  11. In a recent comment section I described the Marx -> Boas -> Gould -> Lewontin etc. Endless Stream of Lies and Bullshit.

    In her opinion piece in this now-rag, Saini references both Gould and a fellow named Jonathan Marks. From Mr. Marks’ Wikipedia page:

    “As described in his book Is Science Racist?, Marks considers science to have four epistemological weaknesses: naturalism, experimentalism, rationalism, and trust in its own accuracy.[2] In this book and in Why I Am Not a Scientist, he argues that anthropologists are not scientists.[2] Rather, their purpose is to interpret the intersection of science and society.[2]”

    Trust in its own accuracy aside, if Saini support her argument via reference to someone whose Chief Contributions to Science are that naturalism, experimentalism, and rationalism are weaknesses, it seems we can say we’re encountering the Endless Stream of Lies and Bullshit.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Uilleam Yr Alban


    . . . to journalistically expose the dangerous history of scientific racism . . .
     
    Her own description of her mission gives it all away: The end is predetermined and the means are non-scientific.

    It's turtles all the way down.

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @guest
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    "interpret the intersection of science and society"

    No. Look "anthropology" up in a dictionary, anthropologist.

    Anthropologist, anthropologize thineself.

    , @Jim Given
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    Interesting. If Jonathan Marks believes these four traits characterize science, then by "science, he is talking not about actual scientific research, but about the caricature of science critiqued by philosophers of science in the era before the late 1960's. I stopped reading such stuff when I was in high school because "philosophers of science" in that era, like Mr. Marks, have no idea what modern scientific research is like. Philosophically, it is fascinating that science can simultaneously be guilty of being "rationalist" and "experimentalist". I have no idea what the latter term means, but suspect it is similar to Noam Chomsky's similar bogeyman term "empiricist". But this does not surprise me. I don't believe that either of these terms is being used in a sense that philosophers would recognize.


    I suspect that committed Leftists simply want all "scientific research" to be oriented in its goals and conclusions by the agenda of the State. Perhaps Lysenko had the right idea, but didn't get sufficient opportunity to prove his theories because the evil Fascist scientists got the better of him.

    As many scholars have described in detail, devout Leftism is a secular religious faith. (Igor Shafarevich and Michael Polanyi are two good examples.) But as a repressed religion, one that denies it is a religion, such Leftism cannot separate "science" from "religion".

    Very interesting parallels can be drawn between ideologically committed Leftist science, and the sort of Fundamentalist Christian Creation science that tried to prove "scientifically", e.g. by geological research, that the world really is only 3000 year old.

    Replies: @Jack D

  12. …on race or gender?

    If anything is “pseudoscience”, it’s “gender”.

    That’s not even a social construct, it’s a purely linguistic one. Which, except for singular pronouns, doesn’t even exist in the Anglosphere.

    Table has a different gender in Antwerp and Einhoven, even though they’re a few miles apart and speak the same language. This is science?

    As my niece responded to a request to hug her grandma goodbye at her birthday party this weekend, “I don’t think so.”

  13. I for one welcome our new Indian overlords

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Move aside San Fran homeless, there’s a new street shitter in town.

    https://youtu.be/ixJgY2VSct0

    , @El Dato
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Too late!

    Jewish Science is over 9000 and has already taken over.

    (Also, Geeks don't do science. Geeks do engineering. Oh well!)

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    As long as Indian plumbing doesn't take over the World.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @a commenter
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Like steve's rule of female journalism - every ethnic activist screaming about 'racism' is really trying to advance their own race's power. Classic in-group out-group strategy.

    It does seem odd but Indian SJW seem to have a particularly nasty and vicious streak in them.. i never thought I would say this but they seem even more hateful then SJW jews.

  14. The funny thing is that Angela D. Saini isn’t some Masha Gessen-type, she’s a rather proper lady, whose all purpose reaction to being told scientific facts is more or less: “Well, I never!”

    Angela Saini is not a lady. She is Hindu female chattel belonging to her husband.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @JimB

    She was raised by parents who copied white liberal Baby Boomer yuppies to a tee. Most Indians think the Nazis were “good” because they used the swastika (a Hindu symbol) and fought the bad ole British Empire. Sailer pointed out a few years back that Indian tiger moms are raising their kids to enter the SJW racket. They’re fairly good looking, decent IQ, and looking for a Mr. Perfect with his own hedge fund. One that’ll impress mommy and daddy.

    Keep in mind the majority of Indians don’t play (or even think of) the SJW career game.

    , @SFG
    @JimB

    If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably chattel, what with the divorce laws the way they are.

    Though I find no evidence she's married.

    Replies: @Rosie

  15. I believe Angela D. Saini and her ilk are genuinely scared. Scared they’ve been kissing the wrong asses for a long time. In academia, many 1960s black slaters have already retired and possess an ironclad pension program. For the last sixty years brown nosing their asses brought power and prestige. Career advancement in the press, schools, and other institutions. The vast majority of them knew the truth about race and IQ but the money/job security was too good to pass up.

    The young Saini types are worried about the advent of the “anti-1960s,” a future decade when many 1960s era ideas and regulations are overturned. They’re on the wrong side of history. It has nothing to do with truth or morality, it’s money and power they’re after. But they placed money on the wrong horse.

  16. “cabal of conspiracy theorists”

    🙂

    • LOL: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Hail
    @Lot

    Trope!

    , @J.Ross
    @Lot

    Imagine if instead of seventeen Colbert clones nobody watches we had an interviewer who would check that guests knew what words meant. The underfulfilled promise of the Stewart Daily Show was exactly this.

  17. Go to Conservapedia and look up their article on evolution. That’s basically their position on this.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anon


    Go to Conservapedia and look up their article on evolution. That’s basically their position on this.
     
    As with Free Republic, I am shocked, shocked. Not that their position is wrong, but that they're still in business at all.

    Watch the reaction when Olivia de Havilland finally passes, or Kirk Douglas, or Norman Lloyd or Eric Bentley or Beverly Cleary, or...

    Don Marion:


    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0547956/

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOTk4MDYyOGY[email protected]@._V1_.jpg

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMWU4Njc1NDg[email protected]@._V1_UY268_CR8,0,182,268_AL_.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  18. It’s so tiresome to listen to everyone screech about the lessons of history, when they in fact mean the lessons of 1939 to 1945. No other time existed apparently, the only mistakes that can be made were the types of mistakes made 1939 to 1945, no other era matters, really. I don’t know how the Germans can stand it since their recorded history reaches back to at least Tacitus but everyone boils them down to 6 years.

    No serious person ever fails to learn the lessons of history, but lots of serious people overlearn the lessons of history. Doubly so if it was recent history, and triply so if, despite some mistakes your side came out on top.

    • Agree: jim jones, Anonymousse
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @SimpleSong

    And I'm still not sure what those lessons are.

    "Government should be minimal"

    "Don't let bureaucrats and their petty bureaucratic schemes take control of your life"

    "If two socialisms fight each other, the most slavic one wins"

    "Don't make the white kids angry"

    "You can't build on bullshit"

    "This has happened before and it will happen again"

    "Industrialization is a great accelerator of very bad plans"

    "If you think it's over, someone comes up with a Morgenthau plan"

    "Conformism is destructive"

    "Kill all psychopaths before they kill you; delay isn't worth it"

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    , @Mr. Anon
    @SimpleSong


    It’s so tiresome to listen to everyone screech about the lessons of history, when they in fact mean the lessons of 1939 to 1945.
     
    It reflects the obsessions of the people who disproportionately wield the bullhorn and shout the loudest.
    , @AnotherDad
    @SimpleSong


    It’s so tiresome to listen to everyone screech about the lessons of history, when they in fact mean the lessons of 1939 to 1945. No other time existed apparently, the only mistakes that can be made were the types of mistakes made 1939 to 1945, no other era matters, really. I don’t know how the Germans can stand it since their recorded history reaches back to at least Tacitus but everyone boils them down to 6 years.
     
    It's much worse than that. These folks have either:
    a) charitably, grabbed onto only one event from the War--the Holocaust--to draw lessons from
    or
    b) uncharitably, completely inverted the actual lessons.

    As i've pointed out before rather than "nationalism", what the war was about was German and Japanese imperialism. Basically driven by fact that these higly competent but late rising nations were locked out of the imperialist division of the world by the British and French and to a lesser extent the Americans, Dutch, Belgians, etc. They were trying to rearrange the existing imperialist order with themselves on top.

    The war propaganda was essentially "nations of the world united against these evil axis bastards pushing other nations around".

    And the post-War consensus was ... yeah, imperialism is bad. People--i.e. various nations--really ought to be running their own affairs. The winners, out of some combination of embarassment and for the Europeans financial constraint started de-colonizing. Indonesia, Philippines, Lebanon, Syria, Burma, India, Ceylon were all independent and the Jews got their own national state immediately or within a few years of the War. Nationalism was the ideology of the day and most of the rest of the old empires were independent nations within a generation. (Some easy, some hard.) The Soviet Union hanging onto it's conquests in Eastern Europe was the big outlier. With, of course, both the Soviets and the U.S. messing quite a bit in nation's affairs around the world during their Cold War contest. But bottom line, there was a world consensus that nations should be governed by their own people.

    This minoritarian ideology, where the problem with the War was "nationalism", the critical event was "the Holocaust" and the "lesson" is we have to make sure minorities never feel uncomfortable and majorities are never allowed to govern their own nations and everyone should obey globo-homo is a revisionist--and nasty, cancerous--interpretation. Not exactly, but close to the exact opposite of what the War was really about and what it should have taught us.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Kronos

  19. @Uilleam Yr Alban
    In a recent comment section I described the Marx -> Boas -> Gould -> Lewontin etc. Endless Stream of Lies and Bullshit.

    In her opinion piece in this now-rag, Saini references both Gould and a fellow named Jonathan Marks. From Mr. Marks' Wikipedia page:

    "As described in his book Is Science Racist?, Marks considers science to have four epistemological weaknesses: naturalism, experimentalism, rationalism, and trust in its own accuracy.[2] In this book and in Why I Am Not a Scientist, he argues that anthropologists are not scientists.[2] Rather, their purpose is to interpret the intersection of science and society.[2]"

    Trust in its own accuracy aside, if Saini support her argument via reference to someone whose Chief Contributions to Science are that naturalism, experimentalism, and rationalism are weaknesses, it seems we can say we're encountering the Endless Stream of Lies and Bullshit.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @guest, @Jim Given

    . . . to journalistically expose the dangerous history of scientific racism . . .

    Her own description of her mission gives it all away: The end is predetermined and the means are non-scientific.

    It’s turtles all the way down.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Hypnotoad666

    That "journalistically" caught my eye, too.

    If such a "journalist" is challenged to an argument about Target X, this becomes a get-out-of-argument-free card. "Oh, I was just repor..."

    But they're not even reporters -- just the opposite, as exemplified here.

  20. You know, one of history’s greatest “What Ifs?” seems to be “What if the Nazis had won?” It fascinates the imagination of so many powerful and megaphone-holding people. They seem obsessed and terrified of the notion that we’ll enter that alternate timeline if we keep studying race at all.

  21. Is society obliged to give them platforms, however much nonsense they come out with?

    I was unaware that “society” was “giving” them anything. Is Unz.com publicly funded?

    Seriously, this is eighth-grade level thinking. It’s almost unfair for Steve and others to engage with this woman. There are high school kids who probably AGREE with her who could blast holes in her arguments all day long.

  22. eah says:

    You should have excerpted the final passage of her screed in full:

    What has started with a gentle creep through the back door of our computers could end, if we’re not careful, with jackboots through the front door of our homes. Populism, ethnic nationalism and neo-Nazism are on the rise worldwide. If we are to prevent the mistakes of the past from happening again, we need to be more vigilant. The public must hold the Internet giants to account, recognize hatred dressed up as scholarship and learn how to marginalize it, and be assiduous in squeezing out pseudoscience from public debate. This is not a free speech issue; it’s about improving the quality and accuracy of information that people see online, and thereby creating a fairer, kinder society.

    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1151070958230429696

    • Replies: @Erik L
    @eah

    "populism"? Is populism bad now too? The wikipedia article on populism features a picture of "occupy wall street". I thought that was good.

    , @Forbes
    @eah


    This is not a free speech issue; it’s about improving the quality and accuracy of information that people see online...
     
    It's not a free speech issue--because it's censorship of ideas Saini deems unworthy...
    , @Ibound1
    @eah

    It's never a 'free speech' issue when they want to ban your speech. Never. They say the same damn thing every single time.

    And if they want to be "assiduous in squeezing out pseudoscience from public debate" then can we start with people who say a gender change wish at age 8 is normal and healthy and should be encouraged? Can we be assiduous in that?

    , @lavoisier
    @eah


    The public must hold the Internet giants to account, recognize hatred dressed up as scholarship and learn how to marginalize it, and be assiduous in squeezing out pseudoscience from public debate
     
    I love how the non-scientists like Angela Saini are leading the charge against pseudoscience.

    I mean, who needs a PhD in genetics to realize that there is no such thing as race?

    God bless this book burning fool, her celebration by the great and the good and being published in Nature and Scientific American should serve as a stark warning that a new dark age has descended on the Western world.

    , @AnotherDad
    @eah


    The public must hold the Internet giants to account, recognize hatred dressed up as scholarship and learn how to marginalize it, and be assiduous in squeezing out pseudoscience from public debate. This is not a free speech issue; it’s about improving the quality and accuracy of information that people see online, and thereby creating a fairer, kinder society.
     
    Free speech is essentially an Anglo-Saxon thing. It came out of a long tradition that involved the early abolition of serfdom, and then a long period of religious contention, then a period of improving, increasingly empiracal elite (scientific and technical) discourse.

    The idea that everyone is entitled to speak their mind is simply not a widely shared view. The fair play--fair hearing--aspect is particularly Anglo. Shout you down is the common tactic of many ethnic groups. Bottom line: Most people around the world simply do not believe in free speech.

    And on top of the racial/ethnic thing there's a huge sex difference. Free speech is a very male thing. A "this is how we ought to do it" thing. I'll give my opinion, you give your opinion ... we'll poke holes in each other's opinions ... and our comrades will figure out who's got the best idea and we'll do that. Don't get me wrong it can be *extremely* competitive. Part of alpha competition. (Who's got the biggest swinging dick.) But men actually do materially real stuff--hunt, fight, grow, build--all the time. So a successful man has to listen to others to figure out the best way to do stuff. (Even if they don't want to admit it.)

    For women speech is only very unusually about figuring anything out. It's basic transfer of information--the laundry is still upstairs--or often about conveying feelings. So you get a lot of this "people saying things that are hurtful is bad, bad, bad" stuff. This makes women more difficult to deal with even if you're talking about something entirely technical--engineering approaches. But you can't do any sort of politics if "hurt feelings" are a problem. And it's an outright disaster in our current situation where telling the truth about racial/ethnic differences is critical to avoid Westerners getting mau-maued--and genocided--by equalist blank slate bullshit.
  23. I trust Mr. Sailer will humor this…

    • Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban
    @PiltdownMan

    Lol. I just imagined our famous author reading the recent comment sections of this blog, and having absolutely no idea what anyone is talking about.

    , @TWS
    @PiltdownMan

    Will she leave in a minute and a huff?

    , @ben tillman
    @PiltdownMan


    There is an account that has been posting anti-semitic, anti-immigrant, white supremacist bile incessantly.
     
    I could point to one that constantly posts anti-scientific, anti-white, immigrant-supremacist bile.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @PiltdownMan


    "Well, I never..."
     
    Well, maybe you should.

    At least she's not stricken with "the vapors", or prone to fainting spells. Women have progressed!
    , @Inquiring Mind
    @PiltdownMan

    Paradise under her feet and that whine in your ears

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=chaiya+chai&view=detail&mid=A6606A42EFCA36673350A6606A42EFCA36673350&FORM=VIRE

    , @AnotherDad
    @PiltdownMan

    Miss Saini has made a terrible life choice.

    She's blessed by nature with more facial symetric and somewhat more feminine features than most. To pump out these articles and books she clearly has the IQ and conscientiousness to have been a good mom. She could have easily snagged a quality guy back at Oxford or at King's. Yet i see no hint of a husband or children--the 2nd of which would have taught her something about the validity of "the blank slate"--in her bio. She could now have her third or fourth child potty trained and spending a few hours in pre-school and be doing either the Brit equivalent of PTA stuff or be working from home ramping back up on freelance work. And if she'd had the good sense and rope in a white husband, those kids would have the nice mixed tones--e.g. Meridith Kercher--probably given, Miss Saini's looks, quite cute.

    Instead she chose to be a mouthpiece for the establishment's minoritarian/globalist/anti-nationalist bromides. Actually it's most ludicruous "blank slate"--"race does not exist", "sex does not exist"--ideological nonsense. (It's economic globalism is nasty, but less obvious ludicrous.) She gets these nice little pat-on-the-back awards and accoldates which apparently are catnip to gals self-esteem. But the whole march of genetics is going to be debunking her work more and more each year. And the powers that be will inevitably move on to some new (younger, fresher) mouthpiece capable of massaging the science to soothe the discomforting message more subtlely and without the laughable debunked ouevre behind her. In a few years, the looks are gone, the accolades are fading ... "here kitty, here kitty".

    Miss Saini has traded the *real* and *important* and deeply *rewarding* job of motherhood, for a few bucks and a bunch of "you go girl" awards from the PC hothouse.

    There is no end to the destruction wrought by minoritarianism/feminism/progressivism. The kool-aid that kills.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Rosie

  24. @PiltdownMan
    I trust Mr. Sailer will humor this...

    https://i.imgur.com/pnG6ch0.jpg

    Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban, @TWS, @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar, @Inquiring Mind, @AnotherDad

    Lol. I just imagined our famous author reading the recent comment sections of this blog, and having absolutely no idea what anyone is talking about.

  25. Steve, Saini’s piece reads more as an ‘OMG, I can’t even!’ than a ‘well, I never’.

    It is the current year, after all.

    • LOL: MBlanc46
  26. “Cesspool of racist pseudoscience” leftists think if they build a wall of words they can keep out the truth.

    Nah. “Plz don’t think plz don’t think plz don’t think” attracts poor human capital.

  27. @BenKenobi

    What has started with a gentle creep through the back door of our computers could end, if we’re not careful, with jackboots through the front door of our homes. …
     
    From your keyboard to God's ears, Angela.

    "To lurk, to post. To post, perchance to meme. Aye there's the rub. For in that post of lulz, what memes may come?

    Replies: @Svigor, @guest, @Father O'Hara

    Jackboots and nooses and pitchforks and torches, these are a few of my favorite things…

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Svigor

    I’ve got a great lead on your H1B replacements, top notch, 90% of the quality and 30% of the price.

    http://antimedianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/video-white-supremacists-chant-jews-will-not-replace-us-as-they-march-with-tiki-torches.jpg

    https://m.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_size_960x540/HT/p2/2019/02/02/Pictures/india-student-protest_b9c63e36-26f9-11e9-a07d-d8ccc3ad85d5.jpg

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    , @Cagey Beast
    @Svigor

    It sounds cool in theory but I doubt it's much fun in practice. It's like buying an exotic pet that eventually eats your kid or rips your face off.

    , @Eric Novak
    @Svigor

    I shouldn't waste space on Steve's comment section with inane emoji replies, but in your case I will: 😆😆😆. You should finish the whole parody.

    , @ben tillman
    @Svigor

    There's nothing wrong with pitchforks.

  28. Her entire worldview and the activism she’s doing (and this is activism) springs from the fact that she is a foreigner in someone else’s country and she knows it.

    • Agree: Gaius Gracchus, Hail
    • Replies: @Element59
    @Saxon

    Yes, quite similarly to another (((group))).

    , @Kylie
    @Saxon

    "Her entire worldview and the activism she’s doing (and this is activism) springs from the fact that she is a foreigner in someone else’s country and she knows it."

    Yes, she's a woman in a man's world.

    I'm getting really cranky at how much attention is paid to the blathering of females, especially WoC. They are equal parts ignorant and arrogant. Also, they're just plain unintelligent.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rosie

  29. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:

    A very verbose, windy, roundabout, overwrought way of saying “I don’t believe in free speech and freedom of enquiry, never have done and never will”.

    The old story of Galileo and the clerical authorities springs to mind.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Anonymous

    The old story of Galileo and the clerical authorities springs to mind.

    But think of it from the clerical authorities' perspective. I'm entirely serious when I say that. I think doing so is critical if we're going to figure out how to move on from the current order that Angela Saini defends.

    The clergy in Galileo's time was corrupt and worldly but it also sincerely believed in God and did want its flock to avoid damnation. The secular clergy in our time are also corrupt and far more worldly but most of them want others to prosper. Unfortunately, they have accepted the idea that society can only prosper when Whites are brought down low in their own countries. They especially believe that harmony can only come about when White men are made to suffer a few thousand years of setbacks and indignities, in order to partly make up for the violence we've done to others throughout time and up to this very day.

    The number of nice White folks who would nod their heads at such an idea are legion. There's no talking to the real ideologues but that still leaves us having to come to terms with the more moderate members of this modern clergy and with their vast flocks of self-hating White sheep.

    , @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    Important distinction: if Galileo was Chinese or Indian, he wouldn't be given house arrest. His family would be erased and no one would know what he had done.

  30. @Lurker

    I interview researchers at the cutting edge of research into human difference
     
    How can there be significant numbers of people at the cutting edge of research into a phenomenon that doesn't exist?

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Bugg, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    How can there be significant numbers of people at the cutting edge of research into a phenomenon that doesn’t exist?

    That is a reasonable question, and clearly so. It just happens to be no question for Angela Saini at all. So you can make fun of her via the Marx Brothers, what I have been doing before, and what Steve Sailer does too.

    Another approach would be to make use of Carlos Castaneda’s ideas about a Separate Reality, occupied, and presided over even, by Angela Saini, Nature magazine’s trophy wife of scientifically looking science-denying. She is in this dream-logic bubble and definitely knows how to move in it. In a way, she is a virtuoso. Might even have to do with her Indian heritage.

  31. Anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong
    It's so tiresome to listen to everyone screech about the lessons of history, when they in fact mean the lessons of 1939 to 1945. No other time existed apparently, the only mistakes that can be made were the types of mistakes made 1939 to 1945, no other era matters, really. I don't know how the Germans can stand it since their recorded history reaches back to at least Tacitus but everyone boils them down to 6 years.

    No serious person ever fails to learn the lessons of history, but lots of serious people overlearn the lessons of history. Doubly so if it was recent history, and triply so if, despite some mistakes your side came out on top.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon, @AnotherDad

    And I’m still not sure what those lessons are.

    “Government should be minimal”

    “Don’t let bureaucrats and their petty bureaucratic schemes take control of your life”

    “If two socialisms fight each other, the most slavic one wins”

    “Don’t make the white kids angry”

    “You can’t build on bullshit”

    “This has happened before and it will happen again”

    “Industrialization is a great accelerator of very bad plans”

    “If you think it’s over, someone comes up with a Morgenthau plan”

    “Conformism is destructive”

    “Kill all psychopaths before they kill you; delay isn’t worth it”

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Anonymous

    The big lesson is, “If Hitler shows up again, don’t appease him”.

  32. eah says:

    OT

    Why Is What Was Once-Affordable-To-Many Now Only-Affordable-To-The-Wealthy?

    The decline in the value of conventional labor and purchasing power is visible in this chart of labor’s share of the national income.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @eah

    Now don't blame immigration. Robert Reich will say you're wrong.

    Replies: @Kronos, @eah

    , @Jack D
    @eah

    Notice that she is playing games with the y axis on the graph, which covers a very narrow range (8%). If the graph was ranged from 0 to 100% the line would look almost flat. American workers have gone from receiving 2/3 of national income to getting 3/5 in the last 20 years. This is not good but it's not the end of the world, especially if the national income pie has been growing (and it has).

    She also focuses on the "no high school" segment. Sure, as the world become more technological and you need to be able to read an operators manual just to drive a tractor (which now has GPS and other digital connections) people with no high school don't find their services much in demand.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @Bill Jones
    @eah

    Why should anybody pay any heed to the views of natives of a country where not shitting in the street puts you in the top half of society?

  33. Lot says:
    @Svigor
    @BenKenobi

    Jackboots and nooses and pitchforks and torches, these are a few of my favorite things...

    Replies: @Lot, @Cagey Beast, @Eric Novak, @ben tillman

    I’ve got a great lead on your H1B replacements, top notch, 90% of the quality and 30% of the price.

    • LOL: Father O'Hara
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Lot

    I give those puny looking Indian students full credit for having proper, medieval-mob style torches, albeit made of bamboo. Tiki torches look so lame compared to the real thing.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

  34. You HBD guys had a freak-out the last time I said this but you’re all going to have to deal with the fact that “feelings don’t care about your facts”, as Richard Spencer said in response to Ben Shapiro’s catchphrase. You guys can have all the data you want but you’ll still have to deal with two things:

    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.

    2) To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What’s even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their “noble lie”*?

    On the second point, I myself think we’re going to end up divorcing the more vibrant metropolitan regions from the rest of our countries but that doesn’t help HBD’ers clear that public relations hurdle. It still means the people now in power, who would see themselves inhabiting the hypothetical city states, still have to imagine how they’d govern their vibrant fellow citizens once your HBD cat is out of the bag.

    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements. I know saying so is just throwing red meat to all the keyboard bad-asses but someone has to. Someone has to act like we actually have to figure out how to responsibly govern our countries. We can’t all be like Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump. Some of us have to be the adults in the room.

    * It’s funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato’s Republic.

    • LOL: eah
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Cagey Beast

    A lot of times, the responsible thing is unpleasant.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Cagey Beast


    once your HBD cat is out of the bag
     
    It’s always been out of the bag; we’re merely standing by for (another) spectacular societal detonation. These things come in cycles.
    , @Lucas McCrudy
    @Cagey Beast

    "To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What’s even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their “noble lie”*"


    Maybe we should have been allowed to have an open, candid, no-holds-barred "discussion" -or at least a tacit acknowledgement by segements of our society that matter- about certain manifestly evident truths that virtually all of our great-grandparents, whether they were Northerers or Southerners, Europeans or Americans, de jure segragationists or supporters of color-blind treatment of citizenry by government, believed in.
    Instead, this so-called "noble lie" was allowed to take root and Western society has been upended by the mass importation of tens of millions of largely low-IQ foreigners and millions of hostile, bitter visibly "foreign" people, who while reasonably competent like Ms. Saini, walk around with a perpetual chip on their shoulders because they know they don't quite fit in with the rest of society.

    In otherwords, we should have been allowed to have this discussion about 60 million immgrants-ago. There would have always been the dilemma of America's home-grown black population, but it's a much deeper hole now.

    Replies: @jim jones, @Cagey Beast

    , @Justvisiting
    @Cagey Beast


    Some of us have to be the adults in the room.
     
    The adults have already fled to their mountain retreats.

    There is no-one with any authority or responsibility sane enough to talk to anymore.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    , @ben tillman
    @Cagey Beast


    What’s even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their “noble lie”*?
     
    We do not plan to govern multiracial societies. We are not white supremacists.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    , @ben tillman
    @Cagey Beast


    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements.
     
    We've noticed that, and so have the thought police.
    , @Whiskey
    @Cagey Beast

    We've lost totally and we can see the outline of the solution to a broke and dead broke multi cultural and racial society.

    White men are made into evil. And made into serfs best option. Kulaked or final solution worst.

    Future President Harris is set to announce the Fugitive White act. Any White fleeing diversity will be ... bused into diversity if a child and forced into it otherwise.

    Other nations have made it a crime for Whites to marry and have kids. I am sure our non White Indian tech overlords have those plans.

    If course there will be a slave revolt but it will likely fail. White women in particular love the blank slate and despite Trump. They all have ambition to move up by marrying non White rulers. Game of Thrones, Twilight, Fifty Shades of Billionaire Bondage stuff all the way down.

    Why be an ordinary woman when you can be a queen ruling the deplorable?

    , @Kronos
    @Cagey Beast

    "1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight."

    True, except the Baby Boomer beneficiaries of blank-slate dogma (educators) have nearly bankrupted the entire system. Many colleges/universities are in debt, pensions are underfunded, and entitlements are increasingly consuming the majority of the federal budget. Angela Saini and company are worried (rightly so) that those positions will be destroyed before they get to eat at the trough. Entitlements are consuming 60% of the federal budget. This opens the opportunity for a decisive victory.

    Why should Boomer feminists care about abortion for younger female generations? (Generation before Gender!) "I'm already on menopause, I don't need to worry about getting knocked up. I need the government to shore up money for my entitlements. Those kids don't need Planned Parenthood, they can figure it out on their own."

    That Boomer mindset has spread far and wide. About 50% of colleges are planned to go bankrupt in a few years. I'm going to bet that blank-slate boomers have burned so many bridges and so institutionally debt addicted that a major paradigm shift is foreseeable.


    http://economiccollapsenews.com/2017/12/04/will-half-of-u-s-colleges-be-bankrupt-in-10-to-15-years/

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @advancedatheist
    @Cagey Beast


    It’s funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato’s Republic.
     
    Today's diversitarian college students no longer have to read Plato's works, much less the writings of the other really smart guys in the Western Canon, because the dwindling population of white or Jewish professors realize that their nonwhite students' coarse and animalistic minds can't process the unfamiliar words and difficult syntax that these white men used to express their thoughts about the human condition.

    Ironically some people on the right attribute this trend to "Cultural Marxism." But Karl Marx grew up classically educated. He wrote his doctoral thesis on the philosophy of Greek Atomism, and reportedly as an adult he would read Aeschylus' tragedies in their original Greek for pleasure. And he could quote extensively from the works of Dante, Shakespeare and Goethe. By today's academic standards Marx's kind of cultivation would make him too "white" for respectability.
    , @Rosie
    @Cagey Beast


    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.
     
    Because it's women and not cheap-labor (((plutocrats))) who set the ideological tone.

    This is like a game of whack-a-mole. If you refute one theory that scapegoats women, another will pop up to take its place.

    https://www.newsweek.com/koch-network-wont-support-trump-2020-1278141

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  35. @Buzz Mohawk
    There are people who will deny that the sun rises in the east if its light reveals things you are not supposed to see in the west.

    Despite them, there is still some light in this world.

    Replies: @Bobd

    There are people who will deny
    that the sun rises
    in the east
    if its light reveals
    things you are not supposed to see
    in the west.

    Despite them, there is still
    some light in this world.

    – Written By Maybe Nazi Bob Dylan

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Bobd


    – Written By Maybe Nazi Bob Dylan
     
    He's probably not a Nazi...he is Jewish.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @ben tillman

  36. @Saxon
    Her entire worldview and the activism she's doing (and this is activism) springs from the fact that she is a foreigner in someone else's country and she knows it.

    Replies: @Element59, @Kylie

    Yes, quite similarly to another (((group))).

  37. @Svigor
    @BenKenobi

    Jackboots and nooses and pitchforks and torches, these are a few of my favorite things...

    Replies: @Lot, @Cagey Beast, @Eric Novak, @ben tillman

    It sounds cool in theory but I doubt it’s much fun in practice. It’s like buying an exotic pet that eventually eats your kid or rips your face off.

  38. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    Who on earth is claiming that human races are not the same species? Nobody, racists or otherwise. Where did she get that from?

    Race is a level beneath race, like breeds in dogs or varieties in plants. Kidney beans and black beans are the same species, and cross pollinate if growers aren’t careful, but they are a different size, shape, color, and, it is claimed, taste. Hence, they are classified as different varieties.

    By the way, Scientific American is no longer a respected science magazine, so this piece was nowhere near as shocking as Saini getting column inches in Nature.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anon


    By the way, Scientific American is no longer a respected science magazine, so this piece was nowhere near as shocking as Saini getting column inches in Nature.
     
    The Race and Gender crowd are infiltrating scientific societies, even in the hard sciences. The politicization of journals can not be far off.
    , @Forbes
    @Anon

    Has Scientific American been respected this century? It went downhill long ago...

    Replies: @Anon

  39. Pew Research Centre reproduce Steve’s favourite graph.

  40. OT

    • Replies: @ATate
    @eah

    I just spent three days in Edinburgh. It's my favorite city I've even been too, partly because of it's "overwhelming whiteness". Just gorgeous looking women all over the place with smiles and great accents (we stayed near Edinburgh University). Heavenly.

    Let them have London and leave this one alone.

    Replies: @eah, @BengaliCanadianDude

    , @Argus Bacchus
    @eah

    Things we can't avoid in 2019:

    Death.


    Taxes.


    Ugly, smiling, nappy-headed black women on the internet.

  41. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:

    First things first, Ms. Saini, how do you define that concept of ‘racial equality’ of which you started off your essay?

    Do you mean the de jure outlawing of employers and others discriminating against applicants on the basis of physical appearance?

    Do you mean that all of the many ethnicities of this planet are, to essential purposes, ‘the same’ – and what do you mean by ‘the same’ ? – just what, exactly is ‘indistinguishable’ between all members of the taxon Homo? – two legs, two arms, the ability to speak?, is that the basis of ‘indistinguishable’?
    What is meant by ‘equality’? ‘equal’ – meaning the same – meaning ‘identical’ – that is, for all apparent purposes it is impossible for anyone, layman or expert to accurately tell one member of the group from another – just as an observer cannot tell apart one sheep in a flock from another?
    Again, what does this concept of ‘equal’ mean to you?

  42. Is it wise of NPR to invite a guest to discuss something they don’t believe exists? Or perhaps couldn’t possibly exist. Unless it’s something that really doesn’t exist, like equality.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @guest

    It’s slippery, NPR babbles on and on about how low-IQ convicts shouldn’t be executed for murder. (Even if that murderer made a bloody mess of someone’s eye sockets.) Same with the Supreme Court liberals. It’s the doublethink IQ Taleb defense. That IQ can only be used to evaluate stupid people, but never smart people. IQ actually stands for “Intelligence Quotient” the “quotient” being a old school mathematical synonym for division. Population datasets are used to determine an IQ score. A score of 100 is normalized as the average score of that population’s dataset.

  43. @BenKenobi

    What has started with a gentle creep through the back door of our computers could end, if we’re not careful, with jackboots through the front door of our homes. …
     
    From your keyboard to God's ears, Angela.

    "To lurk, to post. To post, perchance to meme. Aye there's the rub. For in that post of lulz, what memes may come?

    Replies: @Svigor, @guest, @Father O'Hara

    They worry about everything ending up in jackboots. Bad jackboots, on account of not being on their feet. Remember when it was basically having a family and minding your manners? Or having a close-cropped haircut.

  44. @JimB

    The funny thing is that Angela D. Saini isn’t some Masha Gessen-type, she’s a rather proper lady, whose all purpose reaction to being told scientific facts is more or less: “Well, I never!”
     
    Angela Saini is not a lady. She is Hindu female chattel belonging to her husband.

    Replies: @Kronos, @SFG

    She was raised by parents who copied white liberal Baby Boomer yuppies to a tee. Most Indians think the Nazis were “good” because they used the swastika (a Hindu symbol) and fought the bad ole British Empire. Sailer pointed out a few years back that Indian tiger moms are raising their kids to enter the SJW racket. They’re fairly good looking, decent IQ, and looking for a Mr. Perfect with his own hedge fund. One that’ll impress mommy and daddy.

    Keep in mind the majority of Indians don’t play (or even think of) the SJW career game.

  45. @Mr. Anon

    It is ground that has been trodden by respected scholars in the past, including evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould, historian Evelynn Hammonds and anthropologist Jonathan Marks, as well as journalists such as Amy Harmon at the New York Times. Despite all our efforts, sometimes it feels as though we are no further along.
     
    Why should I care what a journalist thinks? Or a historian for that matter, when the topic is real genetic biological differences (or perhaps even - history)? Or what hack-scientists like Gould or Marks think?

    Replies: @guest

    If they feel like they’re no further along, maybe it’s because they’ve already won and there are “no more worlds to conquer.” Fear remains that they might one day start losing, and frankly it’s inevitable considering how bleedingly obvious is the existence of race.

    How much of an intellectual monopoly could they desire? And why do they seem ever more ravenous the longer they dominate the field of anti-race “science?” Probably because they know they’re conmen staying one town ahead of the law, and sooner or later the fuzz will anticipate their moves.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @guest

    They also sense that they're riding the White tiger that might throw them off and bite them at any time. They've inherited this current arrangement, they profit hugely from it but they fear it could all be taken from them if Whitey stops playing nice. So far, they've had nothing to worry about.

    , @bomag
    @guest


    ...they know they’re conmen staying one town ahead of the law
     
    Yes, they know they are in a game of keeping a curtain around the obvious.

    Plant and animal science has made significant progress by going all-in on tracking genetics.

    I happened to be at a table one day with Bureau of Indian Affairs officials when they were going over some genealogies and deciding who got to stay on Tribal roles. I could sense an uncomfortable vibe from these PC officials as they were quantifying this genetic component, and I wondered how they squared this activity with their received wisdom that we are all the same under the skin; differences within race are greater than those between race; etc etc, blah blah blah.
  46. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    Masha Gessen. I just spent a couple of minutes with Google Images. Oh my!

    I presume female? Her Carnegie page bio weirdly repeats her last name, awkwardly, rather than decide on a pronoun.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Anon

    Oy to the Timothy McVey! I’m blind!

  47. @Uilleam Yr Alban
    In a recent comment section I described the Marx -> Boas -> Gould -> Lewontin etc. Endless Stream of Lies and Bullshit.

    In her opinion piece in this now-rag, Saini references both Gould and a fellow named Jonathan Marks. From Mr. Marks' Wikipedia page:

    "As described in his book Is Science Racist?, Marks considers science to have four epistemological weaknesses: naturalism, experimentalism, rationalism, and trust in its own accuracy.[2] In this book and in Why I Am Not a Scientist, he argues that anthropologists are not scientists.[2] Rather, their purpose is to interpret the intersection of science and society.[2]"

    Trust in its own accuracy aside, if Saini support her argument via reference to someone whose Chief Contributions to Science are that naturalism, experimentalism, and rationalism are weaknesses, it seems we can say we're encountering the Endless Stream of Lies and Bullshit.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @guest, @Jim Given

    “interpret the intersection of science and society”

    No. Look “anthropology” up in a dictionary, anthropologist.

    Anthropologist, anthropologize thineself.

  48. @Lot
    @Svigor

    I’ve got a great lead on your H1B replacements, top notch, 90% of the quality and 30% of the price.

    http://antimedianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/video-white-supremacists-chant-jews-will-not-replace-us-as-they-march-with-tiki-torches.jpg

    https://m.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_size_960x540/HT/p2/2019/02/02/Pictures/india-student-protest_b9c63e36-26f9-11e9-a07d-d8ccc3ad85d5.jpg

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    I give those puny looking Indian students full credit for having proper, medieval-mob style torches, albeit made of bamboo. Tiki torches look so lame compared to the real thing.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @PiltdownMan

    Even actual Ukrainian neo-Axis armed militias use tiki torches. Get over it.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  49. @guest
    @Mr. Anon

    If they feel like they're no further along, maybe it's because they've already won and there are "no more worlds to conquer." Fear remains that they might one day start losing, and frankly it's inevitable considering how bleedingly obvious is the existence of race.

    How much of an intellectual monopoly could they desire? And why do they seem ever more ravenous the longer they dominate the field of anti-race "science?" Probably because they know they're conmen staying one town ahead of the law, and sooner or later the fuzz will anticipate their moves.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @bomag

    They also sense that they’re riding the White tiger that might throw them off and bite them at any time. They’ve inherited this current arrangement, they profit hugely from it but they fear it could all be taken from them if Whitey stops playing nice. So far, they’ve had nothing to worry about.

  50. @PiltdownMan
    @Lot

    I give those puny looking Indian students full credit for having proper, medieval-mob style torches, albeit made of bamboo. Tiki torches look so lame compared to the real thing.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Even actual Ukrainian neo-Axis armed militias use tiki torches. Get over it.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Cagey Beast

    Nah. The Ukrainians don't use those Hawaiian style Home Depot things. Theirs look like old style German Stielhandgranate grenades, but with a long handle.

    https://gdb.rferl.org/1590E8D4-2C9B-435C-9B43-33FB9F321B81_w1597_n_r1_st.jpg

    http://callofduty4.de/waffen/cod1/stielhandgranate.jpg

    Replies: @Not Raul

  51. @Hippopotamusdrome
    I for one welcome our new Indian overlords
    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51z7ycEJHvL._SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_.jpg

    Replies: @Kronos, @El Dato, @Mr. Anon, @a commenter

    Move aside San Fran homeless, there’s a new street shitter in town.

  52. It’s anti-intellectual, and anti-science to close down your twitter account and write editorials advocating for ways to manipulate the internet to squelch those who disagree with you.

    In Scientific American, no less! I used to LOVE that magazine, and it’s literally gone off the intellectual rails! If someone told me 30 years ago that Scientific American would be reduced to a political vending machine for book-touting journalists with an axe to grind, much less advocate for censorship of scientific discourse, I would have found the notion unfathomable.

    If Saini truly believes race is ostensibly a social construct, and the internet is lopsided with intellectual racists, she should learn the elements of argument, line up her valid citations, and actively solicit people to change her mind. And the next day, do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. The scientific process is based on revisiting an hypothesis, again and again. Why should intellectual discourse be free from the same rigors? It should not. It cannot.

    If Saini finds it too tedious, boring, unrewarding, I would say “Hey Saini! Welcome to Science! The place where tedium, boredom, and frustration with people who directly disagree with you is the norm!” It’s not a bug, it’s a feature!

    Cheerleading, I’ve heard, is fun. But it’s not scientific discourse. It’s as if Saini is a cheerleader who thinks, because the team she’s cheering for a team that likes her, she’s a Football player herself by proxy.

    Saini… you’re not a football player. You don’t have the weight. You don’t have the strength. You don’t have the ability. You don’t belong on the field. Your job is to issue a few cheers if you like, then sit down, and shut up. Stop embarrassing yourself, and especially stop taking personal advantage of Scientific American’s apparently new affirmative action policy. That’s the only possible reason they allow your disgusting, hysteric, self-serving rants to be published in their once great science magazine.

    Show some gratitude, for god’s sake.

    • Agree: El Dato, 95Theses
    • Replies: @SFG
    @Scientific Armenian

    They're going to start shutting down biological science that doesn't fit their preconceptions.

    This is how the Arabs fell behind. There's a reason 'algebra' and 'algorithm' start the way they do. Now, they're chopping people's hands off in the square and pretending countries don't exist.

    Replies: @L Woods

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Scientific Armenian

    Great handle, sir!

    (and comment too)

  53. @Svigor
    @BenKenobi

    Jackboots and nooses and pitchforks and torches, these are a few of my favorite things...

    Replies: @Lot, @Cagey Beast, @Eric Novak, @ben tillman

    I shouldn’t waste space on Steve’s comment section with inane emoji replies, but in your case I will: 😆😆😆. You should finish the whole parody.

  54. Saini is hot, but just further proof that white women need to be stopped

  55. @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1156018116926689281

    Why Is What Was Once-Affordable-To-Many Now Only-Affordable-To-The-Wealthy?

    The decline in the value of conventional labor and purchasing power is visible in this chart of labor's share of the national income.

    https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/worker-share2-19a_5.jpg

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @Bill Jones

    Now don’t blame immigration. Robert Reich will say you’re wrong.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Redneck farmer

    He was the Tyrion Lannister of the Clinton Administration. He had his chance to claim power and failed. He kneeled to the stock and bond markets like everyone else.

    , @eah
    @Redneck farmer

    I don't post this kind of info (which I do occasionally; and BTW, I put the Coulter tweet here because Mr Sailer retweeted it) in order to, or just to, lampoon people who would say it has nothing to do with immigration -- this issue is much bigger and much more important than that.

    US Treasury Now Expects To Borrow Over $800 Billion In Debt In Two Quarters

    In other words, the Treasury will sell $814 billion in debt in the current and future quarter... and it will only gets worse from there.

    The 'baby boomer' retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially -- combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration -- downward pressure on living standards will only increase.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Scientific Armenian, @Redneck farmer, @ben tillman

  56. @Cagey Beast
    You HBD guys had a freak-out the last time I said this but you're all going to have to deal with the fact that "feelings don't care about your facts", as Richard Spencer said in response to Ben Shapiro's catchphrase. You guys can have all the data you want but you'll still have to deal with two things:

    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.

    2) To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What's even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their "noble lie"*?

    On the second point, I myself think we're going to end up divorcing the more vibrant metropolitan regions from the rest of our countries but that doesn't help HBD'ers clear that public relations hurdle. It still means the people now in power, who would see themselves inhabiting the hypothetical city states, still have to imagine how they'd govern their vibrant fellow citizens once your HBD cat is out of the bag.

    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements. I know saying so is just throwing red meat to all the keyboard bad-asses but someone has to. Someone has to act like we actually have to figure out how to responsibly govern our countries. We can't all be like Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump. Some of us have to be the adults in the room.

    * It's funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato's Republic.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lucas McCrudy, @Justvisiting, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @Whiskey, @Kronos, @advancedatheist, @Rosie

    A lot of times, the responsible thing is unpleasant.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  57. @guest
    Is it wise of NPR to invite a guest to discuss something they don't believe exists? Or perhaps couldn't possibly exist. Unless it's something that really doesn't exist, like equality.

    Replies: @Kronos

    It’s slippery, NPR babbles on and on about how low-IQ convicts shouldn’t be executed for murder. (Even if that murderer made a bloody mess of someone’s eye sockets.) Same with the Supreme Court liberals. It’s the doublethink IQ Taleb defense. That IQ can only be used to evaluate stupid people, but never smart people. IQ actually stands for “Intelligence Quotient” the “quotient” being a old school mathematical synonym for division. Population datasets are used to determine an IQ score. A score of 100 is normalized as the average score of that population’s dataset.

  58. “People once imagined that social media would somehow regulate itself, that only the truth would survive in the marketplace of ideas

    They were right. But the trouble for Angela is that the wrong truth is surviving.

  59. @Cagey Beast
    @PiltdownMan

    Even actual Ukrainian neo-Axis armed militias use tiki torches. Get over it.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Nah. The Ukrainians don’t use those Hawaiian style Home Depot things. Theirs look like old style German Stielhandgranate grenades, but with a long handle.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @PiltdownMan

    The long handle might help to avoid burning oneself.

  60. @Cagey Beast
    You HBD guys had a freak-out the last time I said this but you're all going to have to deal with the fact that "feelings don't care about your facts", as Richard Spencer said in response to Ben Shapiro's catchphrase. You guys can have all the data you want but you'll still have to deal with two things:

    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.

    2) To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What's even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their "noble lie"*?

    On the second point, I myself think we're going to end up divorcing the more vibrant metropolitan regions from the rest of our countries but that doesn't help HBD'ers clear that public relations hurdle. It still means the people now in power, who would see themselves inhabiting the hypothetical city states, still have to imagine how they'd govern their vibrant fellow citizens once your HBD cat is out of the bag.

    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements. I know saying so is just throwing red meat to all the keyboard bad-asses but someone has to. Someone has to act like we actually have to figure out how to responsibly govern our countries. We can't all be like Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump. Some of us have to be the adults in the room.

    * It's funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato's Republic.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lucas McCrudy, @Justvisiting, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @Whiskey, @Kronos, @advancedatheist, @Rosie

    once your HBD cat is out of the bag

    It’s always been out of the bag; we’re merely standing by for (another) spectacular societal detonation. These things come in cycles.

  61. I love the cover art of Superior. It makes an accidental visceral visual case for the hierarchical taxonomy of divergent human subspecies. I’ll be surprised if it survives a reprinting.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It says "by the author of 'Inferior'".

    'Inferior' looks like she's trying to dominate the lucrative "iSteve content provider" market.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferior_(book)


    In Inferior, journalist Angela Saini "paints a disturbing picture of just how deeply sexist notions have been woven into the fabric of scientific research". Saini "discovers that many of society’s traditional beliefs about women are built on shaky ground". She also relaunches the critique that the studies from Simon Baron-Cohen and his colleagues carry on Darwin's "idea that man and woman...evolved to meet their roles of hunter and gatherer, respectively."
     
    What's sad is how the scientific press has crumbled. But you have to see that in the light of the current disaster zone that is a scientific career in the UK (and I suspect in the US) - a desperate search for some kind of tenure/full time employment against a backdrop of short term lecturing or short term research contracts, with the carrot of tenure only for those who can attract grant funding. In such a marketplace, the temptation to toe the PC line must be massive, with the examples of people like Noah Carl ever before you to remind you that you must never 'go there'.

    It could have been designed to ensure the most intelligent don't reproduce.

    Inferior was launched in June 2017 at the Royal Academy of Engineering. A month after its release, Inferior was recommended by Scientific American. It was a finalist in the Goodreads Choice Awards for "Best Science and Technology" in 2017.

    Inferior was Physics World "Book of the Year" for 2017. In the review by Chemistry World, Jennifer Newton wrote "I cannot recommend it highly enough".

     

    , @guest
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I mean, the hair alone...

  62. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    @Uilleam Yr Alban


    . . . to journalistically expose the dangerous history of scientific racism . . .
     
    Her own description of her mission gives it all away: The end is predetermined and the means are non-scientific.

    It's turtles all the way down.

    Replies: @anonymous

    That “journalistically” caught my eye, too.

    If such a “journalist” is challenged to an argument about Target X, this becomes a get-out-of-argument-free card. “Oh, I was just repor…”

    But they’re not even reporters — just the opposite, as exemplified here.

  63. Meanwhile, from the twilight zone of The Guardian, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/29/fornite-world-cup-100-finalists-female-gamer-esports-pro-sexism contains the following gem…

    Despite the growing popularity of professional gaming throughout the world – the audience figures for competitive gaming have reached 450m this year – female competitors remain scarce. There certainly are high-profile examples of female pros – trans woman Sasha “Scarlett” Hostyn is one of the most successful Starcraft II players in the world

    ..and of course ‘trans women’ are Real Women, who just happen to be remarkably better at nerdly activities, high impact sports and powerlifting than those silly old women born with actual vaginas and so forth.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @Smith_sonian

    This reminds me of a time I was involved in the process for selecting a quiz-team and the only female-identifying persons present were transexuals.

    , @El Dato
    @Smith_sonian

    The Guardian is a bot with very simple logic

    > Females haven't won everywhere: Write. Article.
    > PoCs haven't won everywhere: Write. Article.
    > Transes haven't won everywhere: Write. Article.
    > Problems due to Diversity: Bury. Article.
    > Israeli interests haven't won everywhere: Write. Article.
    > Jeremy Corbyn may win somewhere: Write. Article. On. Anti-Semitism.
    > Fax from Deep State with "news" to get in: Priority! Interrupt! Copy. Article.

  64. @Redneck farmer
    @eah

    Now don't blame immigration. Robert Reich will say you're wrong.

    Replies: @Kronos, @eah

    He was the Tyrion Lannister of the Clinton Administration. He had his chance to claim power and failed. He kneeled to the stock and bond markets like everyone else.

  65. @Hippopotamusdrome
    I for one welcome our new Indian overlords
    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51z7ycEJHvL._SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_.jpg

    Replies: @Kronos, @El Dato, @Mr. Anon, @a commenter

    Too late!

    Jewish Science is over 9000 and has already taken over.

    (Also, Geeks don’t do science. Geeks do engineering. Oh well!)

  66. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    I love the cover art of Superior. It makes an accidental visceral visual case for the hierarchical taxonomy of divergent human subspecies. I’ll be surprised if it survives a reprinting.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81QzqIq%2BeBL.jpg

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @guest

    It says “by the author of ‘Inferior’”.

    ‘Inferior’ looks like she’s trying to dominate the lucrative “iSteve content provider” market.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferior_(book)

    In Inferior, journalist Angela Saini “paints a disturbing picture of just how deeply sexist notions have been woven into the fabric of scientific research“. Saini “discovers that many of society’s traditional beliefs about women are built on shaky ground“. She also relaunches the critique that the studies from Simon Baron-Cohen and his colleagues carry on Darwin’s “idea that man and woman…evolved to meet their roles of hunter and gatherer, respectively.”

    What’s sad is how the scientific press has crumbled. But you have to see that in the light of the current disaster zone that is a scientific career in the UK (and I suspect in the US) – a desperate search for some kind of tenure/full time employment against a backdrop of short term lecturing or short term research contracts, with the carrot of tenure only for those who can attract grant funding. In such a marketplace, the temptation to toe the PC line must be massive, with the examples of people like Noah Carl ever before you to remind you that you must never ‘go there’.

    It could have been designed to ensure the most intelligent don’t reproduce.

    Inferior was launched in June 2017 at the Royal Academy of Engineering. A month after its release, Inferior was recommended by Scientific American. It was a finalist in the Goodreads Choice Awards for “Best Science and Technology” in 2017.

    Inferior was Physics World “Book of the Year” for 2017. In the review by Chemistry World, Jennifer Newton wrote “I cannot recommend it highly enough”.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  67. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    I love the cover art of Superior. It makes an accidental visceral visual case for the hierarchical taxonomy of divergent human subspecies. I’ll be surprised if it survives a reprinting.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81QzqIq%2BeBL.jpg

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @guest

    I mean, the hair alone…

  68. @Smith_sonian
    Meanwhile, from the twilight zone of The Guardian, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/29/fornite-world-cup-100-finalists-female-gamer-esports-pro-sexism contains the following gem...


    Despite the growing popularity of professional gaming throughout the world – the audience figures for competitive gaming have reached 450m this year – female competitors remain scarce. There certainly are high-profile examples of female pros – trans woman Sasha “Scarlett” Hostyn is one of the most successful Starcraft II players in the world
     
    ..and of course 'trans women' are Real Women, who just happen to be remarkably better at nerdly activities, high impact sports and powerlifting than those silly old women born with actual vaginas and so forth.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @El Dato

    This reminds me of a time I was involved in the process for selecting a quiz-team and the only female-identifying persons present were transexuals.

  69. Yo Unz, I think the RSS feed is broken. I haven’t gotten a new Steve post there since Sunday.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @IHTG

    Yes. I can no longer (on my Samsung phone) tap any of the buttons at the header, in this case that for "bloggers" and get a menu of same from which I can further select. Very tedious progress from one post to another, having to move from one post to another by laddering up or down previous or later posts in order to navigate.

    Please fix asap.

    Thanks for all that you do, Mr. Unz & team.

    Replies: @El Dato

  70. @Redneck farmer
    @eah

    Now don't blame immigration. Robert Reich will say you're wrong.

    Replies: @Kronos, @eah

    I don’t post this kind of info (which I do occasionally; and BTW, I put the Coulter tweet here because Mr Sailer retweeted it) in order to, or just to, lampoon people who would say it has nothing to do with immigration — this issue is much bigger and much more important than that.

    US Treasury Now Expects To Borrow Over $800 Billion In Debt In Two Quarters

    In other words, the Treasury will sell $814 billion in debt in the current and future quarter… and it will only gets worse from there.

    The ‘baby boomer’ retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially — combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration — downward pressure on living standards will only increase.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @eah

    That's Quantitative Easing 1 and 2 again.

    And who exactly will buy USD 800 billion in T-bills?

    China?

    The Federal Reserve? They already have "2 trillion" stashed away on an USB stick.

    Replies: @Craig, @Altan ibn Goldman, @anon

    , @Scientific Armenian
    @eah


    The ‘baby boomer’ retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially — combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration — downward pressure on living standards will only increase.
     
    Im very curious about California, when it declares bankruptcy. What kind of bankruptcy will be declared, and does that allow the state to renegotiate pensions down to a sane level?

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Jack D, @Neuday

    , @Redneck farmer
    @eah

    Unlike many blackpills posted here, yours is depressingly realistic.

    , @ben tillman
    @eah


    The ‘baby boomer’ retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially — combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration — downward pressure on living standards will only increase.
     
    It doesn't affect the anti-immigration agenda at all except to make it more urgent.

    Replies: @eah

  71. @BenKenobi

    What has started with a gentle creep through the back door of our computers could end, if we’re not careful, with jackboots through the front door of our homes. …
     
    From your keyboard to God's ears, Angela.

    "To lurk, to post. To post, perchance to meme. Aye there's the rub. For in that post of lulz, what memes may come?

    Replies: @Svigor, @guest, @Father O'Hara

    First off,I took great exception to the denigration of white men by this INDIAN! Screw you,lady.
    And of course,she has to “go there”,with the clip clop of jackboots. I am sure ‘jackboots’ is a word she heard other people use and so she decided it would sound good to throw it in there,tho she herself hasn’t the slightest idea what a jackboot is.
    Who will be marching into our homes? Prussian cavalrymen?
    And if some bad guys are marching into your home,the style of boot they’re wearing is not the modt pressing issue.
    And why are they doing this? Attacking Crimethink is a lefty kind of thing,innit?

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Father O'Hara


    And of course,she has to “go there”,with the clip clop of jackboots.
     
    Indeed. She very well knows that her side has the metaphorical jackboots: the courts, academia, and gov't, are all very much aligned in jackbooting "racists". She very much doesn't want our side doing to her what her side is doing to us.
  72. @Cagey Beast
    You HBD guys had a freak-out the last time I said this but you're all going to have to deal with the fact that "feelings don't care about your facts", as Richard Spencer said in response to Ben Shapiro's catchphrase. You guys can have all the data you want but you'll still have to deal with two things:

    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.

    2) To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What's even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their "noble lie"*?

    On the second point, I myself think we're going to end up divorcing the more vibrant metropolitan regions from the rest of our countries but that doesn't help HBD'ers clear that public relations hurdle. It still means the people now in power, who would see themselves inhabiting the hypothetical city states, still have to imagine how they'd govern their vibrant fellow citizens once your HBD cat is out of the bag.

    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements. I know saying so is just throwing red meat to all the keyboard bad-asses but someone has to. Someone has to act like we actually have to figure out how to responsibly govern our countries. We can't all be like Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump. Some of us have to be the adults in the room.

    * It's funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato's Republic.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lucas McCrudy, @Justvisiting, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @Whiskey, @Kronos, @advancedatheist, @Rosie

    “To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What’s even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their “noble lie”*”

    Maybe we should have been allowed to have an open, candid, no-holds-barred “discussion” -or at least a tacit acknowledgement by segements of our society that matter- about certain manifestly evident truths that virtually all of our great-grandparents, whether they were Northerers or Southerners, Europeans or Americans, de jure segragationists or supporters of color-blind treatment of citizenry by government, believed in.
    Instead, this so-called “noble lie” was allowed to take root and Western society has been upended by the mass importation of tens of millions of largely low-IQ foreigners and millions of hostile, bitter visibly “foreign” people, who while reasonably competent like Ms. Saini, walk around with a perpetual chip on their shoulders because they know they don’t quite fit in with the rest of society.

    In otherwords, we should have been allowed to have this discussion about 60 million immgrants-ago. There would have always been the dilemma of America’s home-grown black population, but it’s a much deeper hole now.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @Lucas McCrudy

    The Blank Slate is simply an extension of Christianity, humans are magical creatures

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Cagey Beast
    @Lucas McCrudy

    All of what you say is true.

  73. @BB753
    "But as I was reminded when I researched Superior, racists exist at all levels of society, including in academia, science, media and politics. They have money and power."

    Clearly, Angela Saini is delusional!

    Replies: @SFG, @eah, @Prester John, @Jack D, @Anonymousse

    She’d include Steven Pinker, Claire Lehmann, and probably Jordan Peterson in there. Heck, she’d probably toss in Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley.

    • Agree: BB753
  74. @Scientific Armenian
    It’s anti-intellectual, and anti-science to close down your twitter account and write editorials advocating for ways to manipulate the internet to squelch those who disagree with you.

    In Scientific American, no less! I used to LOVE that magazine, and it’s literally gone off the intellectual rails! If someone told me 30 years ago that Scientific American would be reduced to a political vending machine for book-touting journalists with an axe to grind, much less advocate for censorship of scientific discourse, I would have found the notion unfathomable.

    If Saini truly believes race is ostensibly a social construct, and the internet is lopsided with intellectual racists, she should learn the elements of argument, line up her valid citations, and actively solicit people to change her mind. And the next day, do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. The scientific process is based on revisiting an hypothesis, again and again. Why should intellectual discourse be free from the same rigors? It should not. It cannot.

    If Saini finds it too tedious, boring, unrewarding, I would say "Hey Saini! Welcome to Science! The place where tedium, boredom, and frustration with people who directly disagree with you is the norm!" It’s not a bug, it’s a feature!

    Cheerleading, I’ve heard, is fun. But it’s not scientific discourse. It’s as if Saini is a cheerleader who thinks, because the team she’s cheering for a team that likes her, she’s a Football player herself by proxy.

    Saini... you’re not a football player. You don’t have the weight. You don’t have the strength. You don’t have the ability. You don’t belong on the field. Your job is to issue a few cheers if you like, then sit down, and shut up. Stop embarrassing yourself, and especially stop taking personal advantage of Scientific American's apparently new affirmative action policy. That’s the only possible reason they allow your disgusting, hysteric, self-serving rants to be published in their once great science magazine.

    Show some gratitude, for god's sake.

    Replies: @SFG, @Achmed E. Newman

    They’re going to start shutting down biological science that doesn’t fit their preconceptions.

    This is how the Arabs fell behind. There’s a reason ‘algebra’ and ‘algorithm’ start the way they do. Now, they’re chopping people’s hands off in the square and pretending countries don’t exist.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @SFG

    Islamic fundamentalists have at least some redeeming virtues (their civilization, however stagnant, is at least poised to endure). Woke cultists have none at all.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  75. @Smith_sonian
    Meanwhile, from the twilight zone of The Guardian, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/29/fornite-world-cup-100-finalists-female-gamer-esports-pro-sexism contains the following gem...


    Despite the growing popularity of professional gaming throughout the world – the audience figures for competitive gaming have reached 450m this year – female competitors remain scarce. There certainly are high-profile examples of female pros – trans woman Sasha “Scarlett” Hostyn is one of the most successful Starcraft II players in the world
     
    ..and of course 'trans women' are Real Women, who just happen to be remarkably better at nerdly activities, high impact sports and powerlifting than those silly old women born with actual vaginas and so forth.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @El Dato

    The Guardian is a bot with very simple logic

    > Females haven’t won everywhere: Write. Article.
    > PoCs haven’t won everywhere: Write. Article.
    > Transes haven’t won everywhere: Write. Article.
    > Problems due to Diversity: Bury. Article.
    > Israeli interests haven’t won everywhere: Write. Article.
    > Jeremy Corbyn may win somewhere: Write. Article. On. Anti-Semitism.
    > Fax from Deep State with “news” to get in: Priority! Interrupt! Copy. Article.

  76. @JimB

    The funny thing is that Angela D. Saini isn’t some Masha Gessen-type, she’s a rather proper lady, whose all purpose reaction to being told scientific facts is more or less: “Well, I never!”
     
    Angela Saini is not a lady. She is Hindu female chattel belonging to her husband.

    Replies: @Kronos, @SFG

    If I had to guess, I’d say he’s probably chattel, what with the divorce laws the way they are.

    Though I find no evidence she’s married.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @SFG


    If I had to guess, I’d say he’s probably chattel, what with the divorce laws the way they are.
     
    What changes would you like to see in the divorce laws?
  77. @eah
    @Redneck farmer

    I don't post this kind of info (which I do occasionally; and BTW, I put the Coulter tweet here because Mr Sailer retweeted it) in order to, or just to, lampoon people who would say it has nothing to do with immigration -- this issue is much bigger and much more important than that.

    US Treasury Now Expects To Borrow Over $800 Billion In Debt In Two Quarters

    In other words, the Treasury will sell $814 billion in debt in the current and future quarter... and it will only gets worse from there.

    The 'baby boomer' retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially -- combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration -- downward pressure on living standards will only increase.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Scientific Armenian, @Redneck farmer, @ben tillman

    That’s Quantitative Easing 1 and 2 again.

    And who exactly will buy USD 800 billion in T-bills?

    China?

    The Federal Reserve? They already have “2 trillion” stashed away on an USB stick.

    • Replies: @Craig
    @El Dato

    According to Jim Rickards the Fed will force the banks to buy the T-bills. The Fed more or less control the banks.

    , @Altan ibn Goldman
    @El Dato

    For (one of many analyses of) how we got here I suggest Steven Brill's "Tailspin - The People and Forces Behind America's Fifty-Year Fall, etc."

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @anon
    @El Dato

    Who will buy them? People whose alternative have negative yields.

    https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2019/07/my-questions-about-negative-yielding-debt/

  78. OT: Steve, someone made a video using your Marie Kondo joke about immigration. Dunno if coincidence or a swipe:

  79. I don’t suppose you’ll see her at the ‘anti-hate’ rally tonight in Denton TX to support the Anarchist Book Fair, because the People of Denton have said that is who they are.

  80. OT: hey Steve, the media is trying to paint the Iranian Islamonut who shot up Gilroy as a white separatist….

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/gilroy-shooter-white-supremacist-manifesto-instagram-1451586%3famp=1

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Neoconned


    "Why overcrowd towns and pave more open space to make room for hordes of mestizos and Silicon Valley white twats?"
     
    Good question for the next city council meeting's agenda.
  81. “racial categories are not as biologically meaningful as we think and how, in fact, they have been used to justify slavery and the Holocaust.”

    and shovels have been used to behead people but they’re still used, primarily, for digging holes.

  82. @Buzz Mohawk
    Put down that science, young man, before you hurt somebody.

    Oh, and everything leads to Nazis. If you keep letting facts creep in the backdoor, soon enough there will be jackboots coming in the front door. So close the door!

    What will Momma Saini scold us about next? Will she warn us that reading dirty things like iSteve will make us go blind?

    Replies: @Realist, @Macumazahn

    Will she warn us that reading dirty things like iSteve will make us go blind?

    Or hairy palms.

  83. @Bobd
    @Buzz Mohawk


    There are people who will deny
    that the sun rises
    in the east
    if its light reveals
    things you are not supposed to see
    in the west.

    Despite them, there is still
    some light in this world.

    – Written By Maybe Nazi Bob Dylan
     

    Replies: @Realist

    – Written By Maybe Nazi Bob Dylan

    He’s probably not a Nazi…he is Jewish.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Realist


    He’s probably not a Nazi…he is Jewish.
     
    He is a Christian now -

    The Times, They are A-Changing
     

    Replies: @Realist, @Reg Cæsar

    , @ben tillman
    @Realist

    That's the joke.

  84. @BB753
    "But as I was reminded when I researched Superior, racists exist at all levels of society, including in academia, science, media and politics. They have money and power."

    Clearly, Angela Saini is delusional!

    Replies: @SFG, @eah, @Prester John, @Jack D, @Anonymousse

    Clearly, Angela Saini is delusional!

    The main problem with Saini (and others of her ilk) isn’t that she’s “delusional” (she may be; I don’t know) — or that she’s scientifically ignorant; even that she writes whole books filled with scientifically ignorant nonsense — the two main problems with Saini are that she 1) aggressively pushes the noxious ‘conventional wisdom’ that people who disagree with her on important/sensitive topics are morally compromised, and 2) she advocates censorship, including/especially of the internet.

    Also a problem, from what I have seen, is that she doesn’t have a lot of intellectual integrity, eg she blocks and otherwise does not engage responsible people who try to constructively confront her about her wrongheadedness.

    But if she would stop condemning people who disagree with her as morally deficient, and stop trying to have the internet censored, fewer people would care about both her lack of intellectual integrity and her scientific ignorance.

    • Agree: BB753, jim jones
    • Replies: @BB753
    @eah

    What's worse she plays the victim while using Stassi tactics on dissenters.

    Replies: @eah, @Dieter Kief

    , @Forbes
    @eah


    the two main problems with Saini are ... 1) ... people who disagree with her on important/sensitive topics are morally compromised, and 2) she advocates censorship, including/especially of the internet.
     
    In other words, she doesn't have a credible argument--she has an agenda.
  85. @Lurker

    I interview researchers at the cutting edge of research into human difference
     
    How can there be significant numbers of people at the cutting edge of research into a phenomenon that doesn't exist?

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Bugg, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    Did she interview Charles Murray? He could tell her how a bunch of college morons sent him to the ER, actual physical abuse.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Bugg

    I don’t think he went to the ER. The university lady received a concussion though.

  86. @Scientific Armenian
    It’s anti-intellectual, and anti-science to close down your twitter account and write editorials advocating for ways to manipulate the internet to squelch those who disagree with you.

    In Scientific American, no less! I used to LOVE that magazine, and it’s literally gone off the intellectual rails! If someone told me 30 years ago that Scientific American would be reduced to a political vending machine for book-touting journalists with an axe to grind, much less advocate for censorship of scientific discourse, I would have found the notion unfathomable.

    If Saini truly believes race is ostensibly a social construct, and the internet is lopsided with intellectual racists, she should learn the elements of argument, line up her valid citations, and actively solicit people to change her mind. And the next day, do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again. The scientific process is based on revisiting an hypothesis, again and again. Why should intellectual discourse be free from the same rigors? It should not. It cannot.

    If Saini finds it too tedious, boring, unrewarding, I would say "Hey Saini! Welcome to Science! The place where tedium, boredom, and frustration with people who directly disagree with you is the norm!" It’s not a bug, it’s a feature!

    Cheerleading, I’ve heard, is fun. But it’s not scientific discourse. It’s as if Saini is a cheerleader who thinks, because the team she’s cheering for a team that likes her, she’s a Football player herself by proxy.

    Saini... you’re not a football player. You don’t have the weight. You don’t have the strength. You don’t have the ability. You don’t belong on the field. Your job is to issue a few cheers if you like, then sit down, and shut up. Stop embarrassing yourself, and especially stop taking personal advantage of Scientific American's apparently new affirmative action policy. That’s the only possible reason they allow your disgusting, hysteric, self-serving rants to be published in their once great science magazine.

    Show some gratitude, for god's sake.

    Replies: @SFG, @Achmed E. Newman

    Great handle, sir!

    (and comment too)

  87. @Lucas McCrudy
    @Cagey Beast

    "To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What’s even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their “noble lie”*"


    Maybe we should have been allowed to have an open, candid, no-holds-barred "discussion" -or at least a tacit acknowledgement by segements of our society that matter- about certain manifestly evident truths that virtually all of our great-grandparents, whether they were Northerers or Southerners, Europeans or Americans, de jure segragationists or supporters of color-blind treatment of citizenry by government, believed in.
    Instead, this so-called "noble lie" was allowed to take root and Western society has been upended by the mass importation of tens of millions of largely low-IQ foreigners and millions of hostile, bitter visibly "foreign" people, who while reasonably competent like Ms. Saini, walk around with a perpetual chip on their shoulders because they know they don't quite fit in with the rest of society.

    In otherwords, we should have been allowed to have this discussion about 60 million immgrants-ago. There would have always been the dilemma of America's home-grown black population, but it's a much deeper hole now.

    Replies: @jim jones, @Cagey Beast

    The Blank Slate is simply an extension of Christianity, humans are magical creatures

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @jim jones

    Christianity does teach that humans are magical creatures but it also teaches we're all born imperfect and into sinfulness. "God became man so that men could become God-like" (also known as theosis). In other words, we're born deeply imperfect and are all given the life task of getting better. The blank slate is an Enlightenment rejection of that, isn't it?

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @jim jones


    humans are magical creatures
     
    Only in their "total depravity".
  88. OT:

    Coalition of the Fringes Conflict in the UK:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/07/29/khans-london-police-investigating-after-niqab-woman-filmed-abusing-gay-pride-march/

    Muslima vs. Gay…who will be the ultimate winner!?!!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I was just trying to get the gist of it out of your link's title, TWGH, but this "abused" word is annoying. What did the Niquaber do, for cryin' out loud? Did she interfere, block it with her car, bring some nasty (but I'm sure hilarious) signs? "Abused"??! WTF? Don't journalists still carry around thesaurae?

    My money goes on Moslems, BTW. They hit harder.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    , @Bill Jones
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    My money is on the throwers from the rooftop rather than the throwees.

  89. @IHTG
    Yo Unz, I think the RSS feed is broken. I haven't gotten a new Steve post there since Sunday.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    Yes. I can no longer (on my Samsung phone) tap any of the buttons at the header, in this case that for “bloggers” and get a menu of same from which I can further select. Very tedious progress from one post to another, having to move from one post to another by laddering up or down previous or later posts in order to navigate.

    Please fix asap.

    Thanks for all that you do, Mr. Unz & team.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    Confirming, but it has been that way for a few months now.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

  90. @eah
    @BB753

    Clearly, Angela Saini is delusional!

    The main problem with Saini (and others of her ilk) isn't that she's "delusional" (she may be; I don't know) -- or that she's scientifically ignorant; even that she writes whole books filled with scientifically ignorant nonsense -- the two main problems with Saini are that she 1) aggressively pushes the noxious 'conventional wisdom' that people who disagree with her on important/sensitive topics are morally compromised, and 2) she advocates censorship, including/especially of the internet.

    Also a problem, from what I have seen, is that she doesn't have a lot of intellectual integrity, eg she blocks and otherwise does not engage responsible people who try to constructively confront her about her wrongheadedness.

    But if she would stop condemning people who disagree with her as morally deficient, and stop trying to have the internet censored, fewer people would care about both her lack of intellectual integrity and her scientific ignorance.

    Replies: @BB753, @Forbes

    What’s worse she plays the victim while using Stassi tactics on dissenters.

    • Replies: @eah
    @BB753

    Yes -- that's part of the weird modern array of social status totems, where for some reason high status has been allocated to designated victims and whole (allegedly) victimized groups, sometimes to the point of inverting reality to achieve this (eg John McCain as "war hero") -- this must be confronted and dismantled too.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @BB753


    She plays the victim while using Stasi tactics on dissenters
     
    Yep. She has understood, that the combination of playing a) the (female!) victim and b) using Stasi tactics is a mutual enhancer. She might not be very bright, but she is bright enough, to understand and quite effectively use this mechanism. (It doesn't matter how dumb you are, as long as you know how to win (Badenian saying - another German saying: The Devil shits always on the biggest pile! - true for she-Devils too ( She's a 2oth Century Fox...).
  91. @Hippopotamusdrome
    I for one welcome our new Indian overlords
    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51z7ycEJHvL._SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_.jpg

    Replies: @Kronos, @El Dato, @Mr. Anon, @a commenter

    As long as Indian plumbing doesn’t take over the World.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Mr. Anon

    LOL

    "Underlords" is a more apt description.

    Quite the chutzpah of people, who no one wants to copy, inflicting themselves upon us.

  92. @El Dato
    @eah

    That's Quantitative Easing 1 and 2 again.

    And who exactly will buy USD 800 billion in T-bills?

    China?

    The Federal Reserve? They already have "2 trillion" stashed away on an USB stick.

    Replies: @Craig, @Altan ibn Goldman, @anon

    According to Jim Rickards the Fed will force the banks to buy the T-bills. The Fed more or less control the banks.

  93. @Anon
    Who on earth is claiming that human races are not the same species? Nobody, racists or otherwise. Where did she get that from?

    Race is a level beneath race, like breeds in dogs or varieties in plants. Kidney beans and black beans are the same species, and cross pollinate if growers aren't careful, but they are a different size, shape, color, and, it is claimed, taste. Hence, they are classified as different varieties.

    By the way, Scientific American is no longer a respected science magazine, so this piece was nowhere near as shocking as Saini getting column inches in Nature.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Forbes

    By the way, Scientific American is no longer a respected science magazine, so this piece was nowhere near as shocking as Saini getting column inches in Nature.

    The Race and Gender crowd are infiltrating scientific societies, even in the hard sciences. The politicization of journals can not be far off.

  94. @eah
    @Redneck farmer

    I don't post this kind of info (which I do occasionally; and BTW, I put the Coulter tweet here because Mr Sailer retweeted it) in order to, or just to, lampoon people who would say it has nothing to do with immigration -- this issue is much bigger and much more important than that.

    US Treasury Now Expects To Borrow Over $800 Billion In Debt In Two Quarters

    In other words, the Treasury will sell $814 billion in debt in the current and future quarter... and it will only gets worse from there.

    The 'baby boomer' retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially -- combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration -- downward pressure on living standards will only increase.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Scientific Armenian, @Redneck farmer, @ben tillman

    The ‘baby boomer’ retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially — combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration — downward pressure on living standards will only increase.

    Im very curious about California, when it declares bankruptcy. What kind of bankruptcy will be declared, and does that allow the state to renegotiate pensions down to a sane level?

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Scientific Armenian


    Im very curious about California, when it declares bankruptcy. What kind of bankruptcy will be declared, and does that allow the state to renegotiate pensions down to a sane level?

     

    The globalized Federal Reserve Bank will bail out California and California government worker pensions and every other thing it can by printing money and not doing any kind of cost of living adjustment. The purchasing power of the currency will collapse to next to nothing, but the ones who want their exact dollar amount loot will get it. Think of a pizza costing a hundred bucks with no cost of living adjustment.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    , @Jack D
    @Scientific Armenian


    What kind of bankruptcy will be declared, and does that allow the state to renegotiate pensions down to a sane level?
     
    There's no provision in Federal law for states to declare bankruptcy. Further, in some states there is language in the state constitution about never reducing pension benefits that have already vested. The only solution is to tax people more and more and to provide less and less services so that the pensions can be paid. Maybe the Federal government will provide loan guarantees so that states can continue to access the borrowing market. In the long run it will fall apart but we're all dead in the long run - if they can patch the system up so it runs for another decade or two (and then apply some different patch that buys them another decade, etc.), that's close enough for government work.

    Replies: @Forbes, @MBlanc46

    , @Neuday
    @Scientific Armenian

    California won't go bankrupt; they'll simply pressure the Feds to cover the losses. Call it "too brown to fail". The pensions will be paid, but a dozen tortillas will be $20.

  95. @The Wild Geese Howard
    OT:

    Coalition of the Fringes Conflict in the UK:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/07/29/khans-london-police-investigating-after-niqab-woman-filmed-abusing-gay-pride-march/

    Muslima vs. Gay...who will be the ultimate winner!?!!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones

    I was just trying to get the gist of it out of your link’s title, TWGH, but this “abused” word is annoying. What did the Niquaber do, for cryin’ out loud? Did she interfere, block it with her car, bring some nasty (but I’m sure hilarious) signs? “Abused”??! WTF? Don’t journalists still carry around thesaurae?

    My money goes on Moslems, BTW. They hit harder.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Nah, Milo will just tell the Moslem women," Fight with me, and you can have hair this fabulous"!

  96. @SimpleSong
    It's so tiresome to listen to everyone screech about the lessons of history, when they in fact mean the lessons of 1939 to 1945. No other time existed apparently, the only mistakes that can be made were the types of mistakes made 1939 to 1945, no other era matters, really. I don't know how the Germans can stand it since their recorded history reaches back to at least Tacitus but everyone boils them down to 6 years.

    No serious person ever fails to learn the lessons of history, but lots of serious people overlearn the lessons of history. Doubly so if it was recent history, and triply so if, despite some mistakes your side came out on top.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon, @AnotherDad

    It’s so tiresome to listen to everyone screech about the lessons of history, when they in fact mean the lessons of 1939 to 1945.

    It reflects the obsessions of the people who disproportionately wield the bullhorn and shout the loudest.

  97. @PiltdownMan
    I trust Mr. Sailer will humor this...

    https://i.imgur.com/pnG6ch0.jpg

    Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban, @TWS, @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar, @Inquiring Mind, @AnotherDad

    Will she leave in a minute and a huff?

  98. @BB753
    @eah

    What's worse she plays the victim while using Stassi tactics on dissenters.

    Replies: @eah, @Dieter Kief

    Yes — that’s part of the weird modern array of social status totems, where for some reason high status has been allocated to designated victims and whole (allegedly) victimized groups, sometimes to the point of inverting reality to achieve this (eg John McCain as “war hero”) — this must be confronted and dismantled too.

  99. Any more doubts that the MSM (this including the academia, the non-profits, the civil rights groups) is the biggest hate group in America?
    Any more doubts that America has become a failed state?
    Is it too late for the Americans to dump their present ruling class and get a better one?

  100. @BB753
    "But as I was reminded when I researched Superior, racists exist at all levels of society, including in academia, science, media and politics. They have money and power."

    Clearly, Angela Saini is delusional!

    Replies: @SFG, @eah, @Prester John, @Jack D, @Anonymousse

    Not only delusional but out of her depth.

  101. Neoliberal globohomo seems like an unstoppable behemoth but the fact it constantly leans on diminishing returns gaslighting in regards to shit like this and West Baltimore tells me its a titan with legs of clay.

    “Our arguments are irrefutable so we have to ban any other viewpoints.” – the very smart brahmins

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    Sure, this kind of doubling down on ideological purity always happens when the reigning system sees itself under threat. If there are no real threats to your ideology you can tolerate some differences of opinion but if you see that the horses are starting to run wild then you have to tighten the reins or the whole wagon may be overturned.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Vinteuil

  102. @Father O'Hara
    @BenKenobi

    First off,I took great exception to the denigration of white men by this INDIAN! Screw you,lady.
    And of course,she has to "go there",with the clip clop of jackboots. I am sure 'jackboots' is a word she heard other people use and so she decided it would sound good to throw it in there,tho she herself hasn't the slightest idea what a jackboot is.
    Who will be marching into our homes? Prussian cavalrymen?
    And if some bad guys are marching into your home,the style of boot they're wearing is not the modt pressing issue.
    And why are they doing this? Attacking Crimethink is a lefty kind of thing,innit?

    Replies: @bomag

    And of course,she has to “go there”,with the clip clop of jackboots.

    Indeed. She very well knows that her side has the metaphorical jackboots: the courts, academia, and gov’t, are all very much aligned in jackbooting “racists”. She very much doesn’t want our side doing to her what her side is doing to us.

  103. @El Dato
    @eah

    That's Quantitative Easing 1 and 2 again.

    And who exactly will buy USD 800 billion in T-bills?

    China?

    The Federal Reserve? They already have "2 trillion" stashed away on an USB stick.

    Replies: @Craig, @Altan ibn Goldman, @anon

    For (one of many analyses of) how we got here I suggest Steven Brill’s “Tailspin – The People and Forces Behind America’s Fifty-Year Fall, etc.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Altan ibn Goldman

    I have Staockmann's "The Great Deformation" but I need to retire to a lonely national park hut to read it :-(

    https://www.amazon.com/Great-Deformation-Corruption-Capitalism-America/dp/1586489127

  104. @Lucas McCrudy
    @Cagey Beast

    "To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What’s even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their “noble lie”*"


    Maybe we should have been allowed to have an open, candid, no-holds-barred "discussion" -or at least a tacit acknowledgement by segements of our society that matter- about certain manifestly evident truths that virtually all of our great-grandparents, whether they were Northerers or Southerners, Europeans or Americans, de jure segragationists or supporters of color-blind treatment of citizenry by government, believed in.
    Instead, this so-called "noble lie" was allowed to take root and Western society has been upended by the mass importation of tens of millions of largely low-IQ foreigners and millions of hostile, bitter visibly "foreign" people, who while reasonably competent like Ms. Saini, walk around with a perpetual chip on their shoulders because they know they don't quite fit in with the rest of society.

    In otherwords, we should have been allowed to have this discussion about 60 million immgrants-ago. There would have always been the dilemma of America's home-grown black population, but it's a much deeper hole now.

    Replies: @jim jones, @Cagey Beast

    All of what you say is true.

  105. How Saini How can large groups of people living generation after generation under disparate selection pressures all arrive at the same time in different places to the same IQ? Even though a century of psychometric testing reveals differing IQs. Please to answer that question my lovely WOEFULLY unprepared, shambolic, cretinous, journalist-shaped-creature…

  106. @Svigor
    @BenKenobi

    Jackboots and nooses and pitchforks and torches, these are a few of my favorite things...

    Replies: @Lot, @Cagey Beast, @Eric Novak, @ben tillman

    There’s nothing wrong with pitchforks.

    • Agree: Rosie
  107. @jim jones
    @Lucas McCrudy

    The Blank Slate is simply an extension of Christianity, humans are magical creatures

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Reg Cæsar

    Christianity does teach that humans are magical creatures but it also teaches we’re all born imperfect and into sinfulness. “God became man so that men could become God-like” (also known as theosis). In other words, we’re born deeply imperfect and are all given the life task of getting better. The blank slate is an Enlightenment rejection of that, isn’t it?

  108. “Scientific” American switched from printing scientific news to printing leftist ideological twaddle so long ago that no one even pretends to be shocked anymore when they print more twaddle. Who buys this magazine anymore? How are they still in business?

    It’s hilarious that Saini includes Harmon in her appeal to authority. How can it be that these racists cling to their antiquated notion that race really exists, when the great Amy Harmon has already revealed the truth to them? How is it even possible that Amy has not lifted the scales from their eyes?

    I know and understand why some here resist any comparisons between Saini and people who believe in legitimate religions such as their own, but it’s really exactly the same thing. Church missionaries would reveal the Truth of the gospels to the ignorant natives. They would read to them the works of the Evangelists – (to the Christians it was Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, to Saini it’s Stephen, Evelynn, Jonathan and Amy). If the natives accepted then well and good, but if they were stubborn and inexplicably refused to see the Truth even after it had been revealed to them and clung to their false gods, then the missionaries would get angry. The devil had to be burned out of them and especially their devil worshipping priests and leaders.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @FPD72
    @Jack D

    And examples of forced conversions by Protestant missionaries are....?

    Dartmouth was founded to educate Native Americans and Europeans with a primary focus on evangelizing New England tribes. I don’t recall devil burning out as among the courses.

    I’m not saying that Protestants never used compulsion: the religious wars in Europe are testimony to that on both sides. But if we are speaking of missionary activity, I don’t think you find much of this, if any.

    Replies: @Jack D

  109. @Scientific Armenian
    @eah


    The ‘baby boomer’ retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially — combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration — downward pressure on living standards will only increase.
     
    Im very curious about California, when it declares bankruptcy. What kind of bankruptcy will be declared, and does that allow the state to renegotiate pensions down to a sane level?

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Jack D, @Neuday

    Im very curious about California, when it declares bankruptcy. What kind of bankruptcy will be declared, and does that allow the state to renegotiate pensions down to a sane level?

    The globalized Federal Reserve Bank will bail out California and California government worker pensions and every other thing it can by printing money and not doing any kind of cost of living adjustment. The purchasing power of the currency will collapse to next to nothing, but the ones who want their exact dollar amount loot will get it. Think of a pizza costing a hundred bucks with no cost of living adjustment.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Charles Pewitt

    If anything in this world is worth a hundred bucks, it's pizza!!

  110. @Jack Hanson
    Neoliberal globohomo seems like an unstoppable behemoth but the fact it constantly leans on diminishing returns gaslighting in regards to shit like this and West Baltimore tells me its a titan with legs of clay.

    "Our arguments are irrefutable so we have to ban any other viewpoints." - the very smart brahmins

    Replies: @Jack D

    Sure, this kind of doubling down on ideological purity always happens when the reigning system sees itself under threat. If there are no real threats to your ideology you can tolerate some differences of opinion but if you see that the horses are starting to run wild then you have to tighten the reins or the whole wagon may be overturned.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Jack D

    Unstable systems are unstable. The current system tries to impose an unnatural order, and the energy required to maintain it (both literal and figurative) is quickly approaching catabolic if not already there.

    In the 60s we were going to live on moon colonies with flying cars. Now we're being told we have to eat bugs in 500 sq ft shipping containers with no AC so an illiterate from Togo can have 9 kids. Everything after the 80s has been a slow collapse that is speeding up on what seems like a monthly basis.

    , @Vinteuil
    @Jack D

    Wow - Jack D finds common ground with Jack Hanson. The End must be very near indeed.

  111. @eah
    @Redneck farmer

    I don't post this kind of info (which I do occasionally; and BTW, I put the Coulter tweet here because Mr Sailer retweeted it) in order to, or just to, lampoon people who would say it has nothing to do with immigration -- this issue is much bigger and much more important than that.

    US Treasury Now Expects To Borrow Over $800 Billion In Debt In Two Quarters

    In other words, the Treasury will sell $814 billion in debt in the current and future quarter... and it will only gets worse from there.

    The 'baby boomer' retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially -- combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration -- downward pressure on living standards will only increase.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Scientific Armenian, @Redneck farmer, @ben tillman

    Unlike many blackpills posted here, yours is depressingly realistic.

  112. @Gaius Gracchus
    So little Ms. Pseudoscience accuses others of pseudoscience..... ROTFLMAO.......

    Stupid or dishonest, stupid or dishonest, hmmmm, it still looks like a midwit showing her cluelessness more than rank dishonesty and hypocrisy.....

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Stupid or dishonest, stupid or dishonest, hmmmm, it still looks like a midwit showing her cluelessness more than rank dishonesty and hypocrisy…..

    It can be hard to tell, but the product is always profoundly stupid and easily refuted. That’s why the good guys are always denied a platform.

  113. @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I was just trying to get the gist of it out of your link's title, TWGH, but this "abused" word is annoying. What did the Niquaber do, for cryin' out loud? Did she interfere, block it with her car, bring some nasty (but I'm sure hilarious) signs? "Abused"??! WTF? Don't journalists still carry around thesaurae?

    My money goes on Moslems, BTW. They hit harder.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    Nah, Milo will just tell the Moslem women,” Fight with me, and you can have hair this fabulous”!

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  114. @Anonymous
    A very verbose, windy, roundabout, overwrought way of saying "I don't believe in free speech and freedom of enquiry, never have done and never will".

    The old story of Galileo and the clerical authorities springs to mind.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @J.Ross

    The old story of Galileo and the clerical authorities springs to mind.

    But think of it from the clerical authorities’ perspective. I’m entirely serious when I say that. I think doing so is critical if we’re going to figure out how to move on from the current order that Angela Saini defends.

    The clergy in Galileo’s time was corrupt and worldly but it also sincerely believed in God and did want its flock to avoid damnation. The secular clergy in our time are also corrupt and far more worldly but most of them want others to prosper. Unfortunately, they have accepted the idea that society can only prosper when Whites are brought down low in their own countries. They especially believe that harmony can only come about when White men are made to suffer a few thousand years of setbacks and indignities, in order to partly make up for the violence we’ve done to others throughout time and up to this very day.

    The number of nice White folks who would nod their heads at such an idea are legion. There’s no talking to the real ideologues but that still leaves us having to come to terms with the more moderate members of this modern clergy and with their vast flocks of self-hating White sheep.

  115. @Realist
    @Bobd


    – Written By Maybe Nazi Bob Dylan
     
    He's probably not a Nazi...he is Jewish.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @ben tillman

    He’s probably not a Nazi…he is Jewish.

    He is a Christian now –

    The Times, They are A-Changing

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Dieter Kief

    Perhaps he is Christian by religion...but Jewish by ethnicity.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Dieter Kief

    If Bob believes the sun rises in the east, he's a geocentrist.

    At least that's better than a flat-earther.


    https://s28987.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/salar-de-uyuni-bolivian-salt-flats-4.jpg

  116. @BB753
    "But as I was reminded when I researched Superior, racists exist at all levels of society, including in academia, science, media and politics. They have money and power."

    Clearly, Angela Saini is delusional!

    Replies: @SFG, @eah, @Prester John, @Jack D, @Anonymousse

    It’s pretty common for ideologues not to know when to quit. To an objective observer, they have defeated the main force and now are mercilessly hunting down and killing the few remaining stragglers, but from their POV in the trenches, they really don’t know what hidden forces the enemy has in reserve so the wise course is to keep killing them until they receive an unconditional surrender. Sure the people they are shooting look like bedraggled old men and barefoot boys, but you KNOW that the enemy is rich and powerful – maybe they are just hiding it somehow. Who has time to analyze such things when the war is not yet over? Until you stamp out the last embers the fire may flare up again.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Jack D

    I'm now picturing Concerned Book-Reviewing Ladies, Weak-Kneed Academics and the Blue-Haired Moloch Brigade marching around with Perturbator's "Death Squad" as background music.

    , @Kronos
    @Jack D

    She may be referring to “regressive” leftists. Those who are self-identified leftists but carry the HBD “hate” gene. In STEM college courses, I’ve encountered East Asian and South Asian professors who hated blacks. They often used black population datasets to demonstrate crime and low real estate values. Many were foreign and didn’t have the patience for SJW blank slate crap. Regardless, they voted democrat and presented themselves as moderate liberals.

    This also includes (often white) Liberals who play the LA, Seattle, New York real estate game. Liberal gentrifiers understand the darkies are a violent problem and subsequently devise means of removing them via urban renewal. That “education” and “job training” isn’t going to work for them.

    I’m curious on who’s the target demographic for Saini’s book? Young people or old 1960s diehards that will die before admitting race isn’t just a social construct. It’s certainly toward the imperial court of blank slate people. (This certainly isn’t a book to convince knowledgeable HBD members.)

    , @L Woods
    @Jack D

    Something the right forgets at its peril should it ever regain the upper hand. Never, EVER give these ‘people’ an inch.

  117. @JerseyJeffersonian
    @IHTG

    Yes. I can no longer (on my Samsung phone) tap any of the buttons at the header, in this case that for "bloggers" and get a menu of same from which I can further select. Very tedious progress from one post to another, having to move from one post to another by laddering up or down previous or later posts in order to navigate.

    Please fix asap.

    Thanks for all that you do, Mr. Unz & team.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Confirming, but it has been that way for a few months now.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    @El Dato

    For me, it just started doing that a couple of days ago. It isn't a complete fail, but it sure has taken away a well-functioning capability and made things more inconvenient at this site.

    Here's hoping that it will be sorted soon.

    Fare forward, voyager...

  118. @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1156018116926689281

    Why Is What Was Once-Affordable-To-Many Now Only-Affordable-To-The-Wealthy?

    The decline in the value of conventional labor and purchasing power is visible in this chart of labor's share of the national income.

    https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/worker-share2-19a_5.jpg

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @Bill Jones

    Notice that she is playing games with the y axis on the graph, which covers a very narrow range (8%). If the graph was ranged from 0 to 100% the line would look almost flat. American workers have gone from receiving 2/3 of national income to getting 3/5 in the last 20 years. This is not good but it’s not the end of the world, especially if the national income pie has been growing (and it has).

    She also focuses on the “no high school” segment. Sure, as the world become more technological and you need to be able to read an operators manual just to drive a tractor (which now has GPS and other digital connections) people with no high school don’t find their services much in demand.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    Notice that she is playing games with the y axis on the graph, which covers a very narrow range (8%). If the graph was ranged from 0 to 100% the line would look almost flat. American workers have gone from receiving 2/3 of national income to getting 3/5 in the last 20 years. This is not good but it’s not the end of the world, especially if the national income pie has been growing (and it has).
     
    Several folks here like to have a cow when anyone doesn't take the Y-axis to zero. It's absolutely true that people often use that to lie. But not everything in life that is important is exponentially dramatic.

    This is a 10% decline in labor's supply of the pie over the space of 20 years. 10% is not your "almost flat" and would show up on any properly formated graph--not as cataclysm, but as an ebbing away, a losing value, which is exactly what is happening.

    10% is actually huge. If your billings lost 10% ... you'd think it was a problem. (Your wife would certainly let you know it was a problem.) If the government was going to take an extra 10% of your paycheck in taxes ... "hey Jack we're going to raise your taxes from 35% of your earnings to 45%, but over the next 20 years so you won't even notice it" ... i think you'd have an opinion on that.


    No, this is simple and obvious. People's standard of living, relative to what it should/could be has declined 10% over the past couple of decades and it's almost entirely due to immigration putting Americans in competition with cheap foreign labor.

    During our glorious 1924-1965 immigration pause, regular old working Americans were able to maintain (and i believe slightly grow) their share of national income, thus getting a vastly improved standard of living as technological progress and capital accumulation boosted output. My dad--granted after depression and War--had a nicely rising standard of living throughout his whole working life.

    But now the gains of technological progress are eaten by capital and immigrants. For an American worker--particularly one without skills that immigrants do not possess--basically the gains from technological progress are eaten up by immigration. Technology produces, immigration consumes and the average worker is just treading water as his share of pie falls.
  119. @Jack D
    @BB753

    It's pretty common for ideologues not to know when to quit. To an objective observer, they have defeated the main force and now are mercilessly hunting down and killing the few remaining stragglers, but from their POV in the trenches, they really don't know what hidden forces the enemy has in reserve so the wise course is to keep killing them until they receive an unconditional surrender. Sure the people they are shooting look like bedraggled old men and barefoot boys, but you KNOW that the enemy is rich and powerful - maybe they are just hiding it somehow. Who has time to analyze such things when the war is not yet over? Until you stamp out the last embers the fire may flare up again.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Kronos, @L Woods

    I’m now picturing Concerned Book-Reviewing Ladies, Weak-Kneed Academics and the Blue-Haired Moloch Brigade marching around with Perturbator’s “Death Squad” as background music.

  120. @eah
    You should have excerpted the final passage of her screed in full:

    What has started with a gentle creep through the back door of our computers could end, if we’re not careful, with jackboots through the front door of our homes. Populism, ethnic nationalism and neo-Nazism are on the rise worldwide. If we are to prevent the mistakes of the past from happening again, we need to be more vigilant. The public must hold the Internet giants to account, recognize hatred dressed up as scholarship and learn how to marginalize it, and be assiduous in squeezing out pseudoscience from public debate. This is not a free speech issue; it’s about improving the quality and accuracy of information that people see online, and thereby creating a fairer, kinder society.
     
    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1151070958230429696

    Replies: @Erik L, @Forbes, @Ibound1, @lavoisier, @AnotherDad

    “populism”? Is populism bad now too? The wikipedia article on populism features a picture of “occupy wall street”. I thought that was good.

  121. @Altan ibn Goldman
    @El Dato

    For (one of many analyses of) how we got here I suggest Steven Brill's "Tailspin - The People and Forces Behind America's Fifty-Year Fall, etc."

    Replies: @El Dato

    I have Staockmann’s “The Great Deformation” but I need to retire to a lonely national park hut to read it 🙁

  122. Here’s a very creepy bit from the Antiscientific American article, apparently presented without irony:

    Scientists have already been warned. The journal Nature has published a number of editorials in the last few years warning researchers about extremists looking to abuse their work, particularly population geneticists and those working with ancient DNA.”

  123. @Scientific Armenian
    @eah


    The ‘baby boomer’ retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially — combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration — downward pressure on living standards will only increase.
     
    Im very curious about California, when it declares bankruptcy. What kind of bankruptcy will be declared, and does that allow the state to renegotiate pensions down to a sane level?

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Jack D, @Neuday

    What kind of bankruptcy will be declared, and does that allow the state to renegotiate pensions down to a sane level?

    There’s no provision in Federal law for states to declare bankruptcy. Further, in some states there is language in the state constitution about never reducing pension benefits that have already vested. The only solution is to tax people more and more and to provide less and less services so that the pensions can be paid. Maybe the Federal government will provide loan guarantees so that states can continue to access the borrowing market. In the long run it will fall apart but we’re all dead in the long run – if they can patch the system up so it runs for another decade or two (and then apply some different patch that buys them another decade, etc.), that’s close enough for government work.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Jack D


    in some states there is language in the state constitution about never reducing pension benefits that have already vested
     
    It's actually worse than that, Jack. Most vested--meaning earned--benefits cannot be reduced as a contractually obligated liability. But courts in states like Illinois--having state constitutional 'no reduction' provisions--have ruled that benefits (promised future, unearned benefits) cannot be reduced.

    States with flexibility can impose different benefit schemes on new hires, and/or freeze current benefit liability and adjust future (unearned) benefits. Though, this latter method often requires state employee union agreement generally not forthcoming. The ratchet apparently only works one-way, benefits can be raised, but not reduced.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @MBlanc46
    @Jack D

    Yes! Another decade and a half, or two. Please. Mme B and I should both have shuffled off by then, or, at least, have drifted off into blissful senility. I seethe with low-grade anger every hour of the day at what the Left have done to the nation that my ancestors built, but the decline appears inexorable. But, please, can the collapse hold off until I’ve checked out?

  124. @guest
    @Mr. Anon

    If they feel like they're no further along, maybe it's because they've already won and there are "no more worlds to conquer." Fear remains that they might one day start losing, and frankly it's inevitable considering how bleedingly obvious is the existence of race.

    How much of an intellectual monopoly could they desire? And why do they seem ever more ravenous the longer they dominate the field of anti-race "science?" Probably because they know they're conmen staying one town ahead of the law, and sooner or later the fuzz will anticipate their moves.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @bomag

    …they know they’re conmen staying one town ahead of the law

    Yes, they know they are in a game of keeping a curtain around the obvious.

    Plant and animal science has made significant progress by going all-in on tracking genetics.

    I happened to be at a table one day with Bureau of Indian Affairs officials when they were going over some genealogies and deciding who got to stay on Tribal roles. I could sense an uncomfortable vibe from these PC officials as they were quantifying this genetic component, and I wondered how they squared this activity with their received wisdom that we are all the same under the skin; differences within race are greater than those between race; etc etc, blah blah blah.

  125. @Scientific Armenian
    @eah


    The ‘baby boomer’ retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially — combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration — downward pressure on living standards will only increase.
     
    Im very curious about California, when it declares bankruptcy. What kind of bankruptcy will be declared, and does that allow the state to renegotiate pensions down to a sane level?

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Jack D, @Neuday

    California won’t go bankrupt; they’ll simply pressure the Feds to cover the losses. Call it “too brown to fail”. The pensions will be paid, but a dozen tortillas will be $20.

  126. @Cagey Beast
    You HBD guys had a freak-out the last time I said this but you're all going to have to deal with the fact that "feelings don't care about your facts", as Richard Spencer said in response to Ben Shapiro's catchphrase. You guys can have all the data you want but you'll still have to deal with two things:

    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.

    2) To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What's even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their "noble lie"*?

    On the second point, I myself think we're going to end up divorcing the more vibrant metropolitan regions from the rest of our countries but that doesn't help HBD'ers clear that public relations hurdle. It still means the people now in power, who would see themselves inhabiting the hypothetical city states, still have to imagine how they'd govern their vibrant fellow citizens once your HBD cat is out of the bag.

    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements. I know saying so is just throwing red meat to all the keyboard bad-asses but someone has to. Someone has to act like we actually have to figure out how to responsibly govern our countries. We can't all be like Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump. Some of us have to be the adults in the room.

    * It's funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato's Republic.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lucas McCrudy, @Justvisiting, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @Whiskey, @Kronos, @advancedatheist, @Rosie

    Some of us have to be the adults in the room.

    The adults have already fled to their mountain retreats.

    There is no-one with any authority or responsibility sane enough to talk to anymore.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Justvisiting

    I've come to believe this too. The current system is going to have to crash before we can have a New Seriousness movement of any kind. In other words, we need to have a Gorbachev era and a Yeltsin era before we can have a Putin era.

    What the too-online kiddies call "clown world" may be the equivalent of a Brezhnev era for the West's liberal, libertine, libertarian consumer capitalism. I suspect it is.

  127. @Dieter Kief
    @Realist


    He’s probably not a Nazi…he is Jewish.
     
    He is a Christian now -

    The Times, They are A-Changing
     

    Replies: @Realist, @Reg Cæsar

    Perhaps he is Christian by religion…but Jewish by ethnicity.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Realist


    Perhaps he is Christian by religion…but Jewish by ethnicity.
     
    Same as Jesus Christ, btw.: Would it be blasphemy, to call this coincidence Dylanesque?
  128. @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1155710896645255168

    Replies: @ATate, @Argus Bacchus

    I just spent three days in Edinburgh. It’s my favorite city I’ve even been too, partly because of it’s “overwhelming whiteness”. Just gorgeous looking women all over the place with smiles and great accents (we stayed near Edinburgh University). Heavenly.

    Let them have London and leave this one alone.

    • Replies: @eah
    @ATate

    I liked Edinburgh too, but I liked 'wild Scotland' even better, including around Loch Ness -- it was a real experience to travel around Wales using only the train and buses (starting from Cardiff) -- on many stretches (even some whole days) you see far more sheep than people -- nice to know simple, mostly unspoiled places like that still exist.

    Let them have London and leave this one alone.

    I spent time in London on half a dozen or so occasions over a span of several years -- when people would ask me if I'd ever been to England, I would answer: 'No, but I've been to London several times' -- I'm sure you know what I mean...

    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    @ATate

    Read that Scotland has a much higher crime rate than England though LOL

    Replies: @Smith_sonian

  129. • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Lot

    Some sense in the last para of your linked article

    "“I really don’t think he – she – should ever participate in this (tournament), but I realize we have to (be) inclusive and we cannot exclude these people,” Samoan Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sailele Malielegaoi told Reuters of Hubbard’s participation at the Pacific Games.

    “They ought to participate in these Games in their own category.” "

  130. @Justvisiting
    @Cagey Beast


    Some of us have to be the adults in the room.
     
    The adults have already fled to their mountain retreats.

    There is no-one with any authority or responsibility sane enough to talk to anymore.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    I’ve come to believe this too. The current system is going to have to crash before we can have a New Seriousness movement of any kind. In other words, we need to have a Gorbachev era and a Yeltsin era before we can have a Putin era.

    What the too-online kiddies call “clown world” may be the equivalent of a Brezhnev era for the West’s liberal, libertine, libertarian consumer capitalism. I suspect it is.

  131. @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    Sure, this kind of doubling down on ideological purity always happens when the reigning system sees itself under threat. If there are no real threats to your ideology you can tolerate some differences of opinion but if you see that the horses are starting to run wild then you have to tighten the reins or the whole wagon may be overturned.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Vinteuil

    Unstable systems are unstable. The current system tries to impose an unnatural order, and the energy required to maintain it (both literal and figurative) is quickly approaching catabolic if not already there.

    In the 60s we were going to live on moon colonies with flying cars. Now we’re being told we have to eat bugs in 500 sq ft shipping containers with no AC so an illiterate from Togo can have 9 kids. Everything after the 80s has been a slow collapse that is speeding up on what seems like a monthly basis.

  132. @Dieter Kief
    @Realist


    He’s probably not a Nazi…he is Jewish.
     
    He is a Christian now -

    The Times, They are A-Changing
     

    Replies: @Realist, @Reg Cæsar

    If Bob believes the sun rises in the east, he’s a geocentrist.

    At least that’s better than a flat-earther.

  133. Steve has had some good fun with Amy Harmon’s blatherings on HBD as well as Saini’s.

    But Harmon seems to visit the real world on occasion. She’s genuinely concerned that she can’t find a lot of scientists who know what they are talking about who are also willing to support her side openly.

    Saini lives in an alternate reality in which all scientists worthy of the name support her.

    That’s a nearly medical delusion for someone who has some sense of what scientists are actually saying.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @candid_observer

    It's especially telling that she keeps coming back to Red Diaper Baby Gould as her most authoritative scientific source. His real scientific work had little to do with HBD and Mismeasure was written as a popular polemic, with no pretence of scientific rigor. Furthermore, much of what he wrote has been discredited in the last 38 years since Mismeasure was published.

    Even if we accept Gould's accusation against Morton as being true (and it ain't), Morton died in 1851 and science has advanced well beyond craniometry. Yet somehow, by discrediting Morton's work done almost two centuries ago, Gould has discredited the entire field of IQ measurement for all time.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  134. @Mr. Anon
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    As long as Indian plumbing doesn't take over the World.

    Replies: @bomag

    LOL

    “Underlords” is a more apt description.

    Quite the chutzpah of people, who no one wants to copy, inflicting themselves upon us.

  135. @Charles Pewitt
    @Scientific Armenian


    Im very curious about California, when it declares bankruptcy. What kind of bankruptcy will be declared, and does that allow the state to renegotiate pensions down to a sane level?

     

    The globalized Federal Reserve Bank will bail out California and California government worker pensions and every other thing it can by printing money and not doing any kind of cost of living adjustment. The purchasing power of the currency will collapse to next to nothing, but the ones who want their exact dollar amount loot will get it. Think of a pizza costing a hundred bucks with no cost of living adjustment.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    If anything in this world is worth a hundred bucks, it’s pizza!!

  136. eah says:
    @ATate
    @eah

    I just spent three days in Edinburgh. It's my favorite city I've even been too, partly because of it's "overwhelming whiteness". Just gorgeous looking women all over the place with smiles and great accents (we stayed near Edinburgh University). Heavenly.

    Let them have London and leave this one alone.

    Replies: @eah, @BengaliCanadianDude

    I liked Edinburgh too, but I liked ‘wild Scotland’ even better, including around Loch Ness — it was a real experience to travel around Wales using only the train and buses (starting from Cardiff) — on many stretches (even some whole days) you see far more sheep than people — nice to know simple, mostly unspoiled places like that still exist.

    Let them have London and leave this one alone.

    I spent time in London on half a dozen or so occasions over a span of several years — when people would ask me if I’d ever been to England, I would answer: ‘No, but I’ve been to London several times’ — I’m sure you know what I mean…

  137. @Neoconned
    OT: hey Steve, the media is trying to paint the Iranian Islamonut who shot up Gilroy as a white separatist....

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/gilroy-shooter-white-supremacist-manifesto-instagram-1451586%3famp=1

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “Why overcrowd towns and pave more open space to make room for hordes of mestizos and Silicon Valley white twats?”

    Good question for the next city council meeting’s agenda.

  138. @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1155710896645255168

    Replies: @ATate, @Argus Bacchus

    Things we can’t avoid in 2019:

    Death.

    Taxes.

    Ugly, smiling, nappy-headed black women on the internet.

  139. OT, but doesn’t the perp of the Capital One data breach seem like a low-rent version of the bright white guy goes haywire by LARPing as a woman? It’s hard to understand what goes through their minds. Guys who like guys don’t get more attractive to guys after a sex change. While the pool of potential dates seems to get bigger, straight guys are repelled by transsexuals, on top of the fact that most men want kids, and transsexuals can’t have them.

    • Replies: @Jokah Macpherson
    @Johann Ricke

    It's a made for iSteve story. Surprised no one has blogged about it yet.

  140. @candid_observer
    Steve has had some good fun with Amy Harmon's blatherings on HBD as well as Saini's.

    But Harmon seems to visit the real world on occasion. She's genuinely concerned that she can't find a lot of scientists who know what they are talking about who are also willing to support her side openly.

    Saini lives in an alternate reality in which all scientists worthy of the name support her.

    That's a nearly medical delusion for someone who has some sense of what scientists are actually saying.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s especially telling that she keeps coming back to Red Diaper Baby Gould as her most authoritative scientific source. His real scientific work had little to do with HBD and Mismeasure was written as a popular polemic, with no pretence of scientific rigor. Furthermore, much of what he wrote has been discredited in the last 38 years since Mismeasure was published.

    Even if we accept Gould’s accusation against Morton as being true (and it ain’t), Morton died in 1851 and science has advanced well beyond craniometry. Yet somehow, by discrediting Morton’s work done almost two centuries ago, Gould has discredited the entire field of IQ measurement for all time.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Jack D

    I think Pinker's Blank Slate should have put the Gould standard in its grave. What's with the resurrections? Golem?

  141. ‘…How did we get here? How did society manage to create so much room for those who genuinely believe that entire nations have innately higher or lower cognitive capacities, who think that mixed-heritage children are genetically impaired, who assume that someone’s skin color can tell you something about their IQ, and who are actively working to resurrect eugenics?’

    The same way we got to the conclusion that the earth revolves around the sun rather than the reverse?

    Recognizing the evidence and drawing the logically necessary conclusions?

    Is that the right answer, Angela?

  142. My city is very hot recently. Heat, work, fasting, squats, grilled beef, whisky, exhaustion. iSteve comment section. Thanks, guys.

  143. @Jack D
    @candid_observer

    It's especially telling that she keeps coming back to Red Diaper Baby Gould as her most authoritative scientific source. His real scientific work had little to do with HBD and Mismeasure was written as a popular polemic, with no pretence of scientific rigor. Furthermore, much of what he wrote has been discredited in the last 38 years since Mismeasure was published.

    Even if we accept Gould's accusation against Morton as being true (and it ain't), Morton died in 1851 and science has advanced well beyond craniometry. Yet somehow, by discrediting Morton's work done almost two centuries ago, Gould has discredited the entire field of IQ measurement for all time.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    I think Pinker’s Blank Slate should have put the Gould standard in its grave. What’s with the resurrections? Golem?

  144. @PiltdownMan
    I trust Mr. Sailer will humor this...

    https://i.imgur.com/pnG6ch0.jpg

    Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban, @TWS, @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar, @Inquiring Mind, @AnotherDad

    There is an account that has been posting anti-semitic, anti-immigrant, white supremacist bile incessantly.

    I could point to one that constantly posts anti-scientific, anti-white, immigrant-supremacist bile.

  145. @Cagey Beast
    You HBD guys had a freak-out the last time I said this but you're all going to have to deal with the fact that "feelings don't care about your facts", as Richard Spencer said in response to Ben Shapiro's catchphrase. You guys can have all the data you want but you'll still have to deal with two things:

    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.

    2) To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What's even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their "noble lie"*?

    On the second point, I myself think we're going to end up divorcing the more vibrant metropolitan regions from the rest of our countries but that doesn't help HBD'ers clear that public relations hurdle. It still means the people now in power, who would see themselves inhabiting the hypothetical city states, still have to imagine how they'd govern their vibrant fellow citizens once your HBD cat is out of the bag.

    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements. I know saying so is just throwing red meat to all the keyboard bad-asses but someone has to. Someone has to act like we actually have to figure out how to responsibly govern our countries. We can't all be like Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump. Some of us have to be the adults in the room.

    * It's funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato's Republic.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lucas McCrudy, @Justvisiting, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @Whiskey, @Kronos, @advancedatheist, @Rosie

    What’s even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their “noble lie”*?

    We do not plan to govern multiracial societies. We are not white supremacists.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @ben tillman

    I get that but you will still need to give at least a thumbnail sketch of how they will govern their multiracial city states after we separate. You have to have an answer for the question: "accepting what you say is true, what are we supposed to do now?".

    Replies: @ben tillman

  146. @anon
    Go to Conservapedia and look up their article on evolution. That's basically their position on this.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Go to Conservapedia and look up their article on evolution. That’s basically their position on this.

    As with Free Republic, I am shocked, shocked. Not that their position is wrong, but that they’re still in business at all.

    Watch the reaction when Olivia de Havilland finally passes, or Kirk Douglas, or Norman Lloyd or Eric Bentley or Beverly Cleary, or…

    Don Marion:

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0547956/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    Good heavens! Nakasone and Ferlinghetti are still kicking. The Beat goes on!

    James Lovelock seems determined to see his Gaia hypothesis out.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

  147. @Realist
    @Dieter Kief

    Perhaps he is Christian by religion...but Jewish by ethnicity.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Perhaps he is Christian by religion…but Jewish by ethnicity.

    Same as Jesus Christ, btw.: Would it be blasphemy, to call this coincidence Dylanesque?

  148. @Cagey Beast
    You HBD guys had a freak-out the last time I said this but you're all going to have to deal with the fact that "feelings don't care about your facts", as Richard Spencer said in response to Ben Shapiro's catchphrase. You guys can have all the data you want but you'll still have to deal with two things:

    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.

    2) To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What's even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their "noble lie"*?

    On the second point, I myself think we're going to end up divorcing the more vibrant metropolitan regions from the rest of our countries but that doesn't help HBD'ers clear that public relations hurdle. It still means the people now in power, who would see themselves inhabiting the hypothetical city states, still have to imagine how they'd govern their vibrant fellow citizens once your HBD cat is out of the bag.

    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements. I know saying so is just throwing red meat to all the keyboard bad-asses but someone has to. Someone has to act like we actually have to figure out how to responsibly govern our countries. We can't all be like Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump. Some of us have to be the adults in the room.

    * It's funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato's Republic.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lucas McCrudy, @Justvisiting, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @Whiskey, @Kronos, @advancedatheist, @Rosie

    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements.

    We’ve noticed that, and so have the thought police.

  149. @jim jones
    @Lucas McCrudy

    The Blank Slate is simply an extension of Christianity, humans are magical creatures

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Reg Cæsar

    humans are magical creatures

    Only in their “total depravity”.

  150. I agree Steve she’s a promoter of anti-scientific cow dung, but why do you keep giving her publicity? You’re smart enough to know better IMO, and you should obviously know this helps her gain attention because she can claim she’s being attacked by “white racists” or whatever the current canard is, which only elevates her into a higher position

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Steve Sailer is giving establishment-endorsed bestselling author Angela Saini publicity. On his blog. Okay.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    , @Lugash
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    I find these anti-racist scientist posts really, really dull. I find everything Steve writes as pretty fascinating(even golf course architecture, and I don't play), but these... blech. I can't generate any interest in what Sociologist A from Podunk U. thinks about CRISPR or what Ivy League Geneticist B can tell us about Baltimore.

  151. @Reg Cæsar
    @anon


    Go to Conservapedia and look up their article on evolution. That’s basically their position on this.
     
    As with Free Republic, I am shocked, shocked. Not that their position is wrong, but that they're still in business at all.

    Watch the reaction when Olivia de Havilland finally passes, or Kirk Douglas, or Norman Lloyd or Eric Bentley or Beverly Cleary, or...

    Don Marion:


    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0547956/

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOTk4MDYyOGY[email protected]@._V1_.jpg

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMWU4Njc1NDg[email protected]@._V1_UY268_CR8,0,182,268_AL_.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Good heavens! Nakasone and Ferlinghetti are still kicking. The Beat goes on!

    James Lovelock seems determined to see his Gaia hypothesis out.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Reg Cæsar

    Ooh, Reg, good one!

  152. @ATate
    @eah

    I just spent three days in Edinburgh. It's my favorite city I've even been too, partly because of it's "overwhelming whiteness". Just gorgeous looking women all over the place with smiles and great accents (we stayed near Edinburgh University). Heavenly.

    Let them have London and leave this one alone.

    Replies: @eah, @BengaliCanadianDude

    Read that Scotland has a much higher crime rate than England though LOL

    • Replies: @Smith_sonian
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    Read that Scotland has a much higher crime rate than England though LOL
     
    Yup, big drug problem amongst the underclass in Edinburgh and Glasgow. Other than them, the rest of Scotland is very nice, particularly the western isles IMHO.
  153. @eah
    You should have excerpted the final passage of her screed in full:

    What has started with a gentle creep through the back door of our computers could end, if we’re not careful, with jackboots through the front door of our homes. Populism, ethnic nationalism and neo-Nazism are on the rise worldwide. If we are to prevent the mistakes of the past from happening again, we need to be more vigilant. The public must hold the Internet giants to account, recognize hatred dressed up as scholarship and learn how to marginalize it, and be assiduous in squeezing out pseudoscience from public debate. This is not a free speech issue; it’s about improving the quality and accuracy of information that people see online, and thereby creating a fairer, kinder society.
     
    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1151070958230429696

    Replies: @Erik L, @Forbes, @Ibound1, @lavoisier, @AnotherDad

    This is not a free speech issue; it’s about improving the quality and accuracy of information that people see online…

    It’s not a free speech issue–because it’s censorship of ideas Saini deems unworthy…

  154. @PiltdownMan
    I trust Mr. Sailer will humor this...

    https://i.imgur.com/pnG6ch0.jpg

    Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban, @TWS, @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar, @Inquiring Mind, @AnotherDad

    “Well, I never…”

    Well, maybe you should.

    At least she’s not stricken with “the vapors”, or prone to fainting spells. Women have progressed!

  155. Off-topic…

    Becoming Full Professor While Black
    By Marlene L. Daut JULY 28, 2019

    After I received word of my promotion to full professor this past June — a day after my 39th birthday — I decided to text my friends rather than post the news on Twitter. One of them asked how I was celebrating. I told her that I wasn’t yet. Instead I was making a list of all the people who had tried to destroy my career.

    “Wow, that’s heavy,” she said. It was.

    https://www.chronicle.com/article/Becoming-Full-Professor-While/246743

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Rex Banner

    That's a nice blurb for the movie "Black Himmler".

    "They tried to destroy his career. But now ... it's his turn!"

    "Chillingly believable" ... New York Times Film Review
    "Engrossing. Just what whitey deserves!" ... The Guardian
    "It's the smalltime bureaucrat eyeglasses that make it." ... The Root
    "I came for the camps, but stayed for the anger." ... The Forward

    , @bomag
    @Rex Banner


    Becoming Full Professor While Black
     
    The expected: she was surrounded by haters at every turn; but she conquered all by being ten times better than them.

    Now is a professor in the department of African American studies and in the American studies program at the University of Virginia.

    Education dollars working hard for you!
    , @Barnard
    @Rex Banner

    Marlene Daut wrote a book on the literary history of the Haitian Revolution and is now a tenure track professor at the University of Virginia. As if the legacy of Thomas Jefferson hasn't suffered enough in the last few years.

    I especially enjoyed her comment that she and others were labeled "bad teachers" because of "inappropriate personal comments made on our course evaluations by students." Perhaps Marlene really is a bad teacher, of course any criticism from students was racist though.

    , @More R1b, Less H1B
    @Rex Banner

    That article is pure-strain addled black narcissism. She touts her herculean efforts, like taking a summer class that wasn't required (how did her Black Body manage such feats?!) Meanwhile, every time her latest gub'mint grant didn't get a write-up in the latest libarts spam email, it was racially motivated violence. One would think Pete Buttigieg left the glory hole long enough to ride a white horse up and down South Bend, lashing grad students with a whip and shouting "Reparations are coming, darkies- FROM YOU!"


    From the outside, being a mother probably seemed like the greatest challenge on my path to full professor ... In fact, the biggest obstacle was actually race.
     
    LOL, this coming from somebody who fell into two tenure-track positions in a row right out of an English Ph.D., washing out of the first one- and up to Virginia.

    Universities are desperate to graduate Black Bodies, and humanities departments go out of their way to make it easy for sacred Black Bodies to matriculate. Usually this comes in the form of a very lightly supervised, even hands-off, dissertation. Even the most pink-haired commie bulldyke in the Homosex Studies program knows it, because they sit in the grad lounge and poke through theses on nappy hair and rap lyrics in between treatments of Ivanhoe and Hegel. Anyone who's spent significant time in academia knows instinctively that a doctoral committee isn't going to spend much effort on Why Amerikkka is Actually Haitian when the candidate is guaranteed to fart her way into an African Studies program and a pension. (The esteemed Professor seems to have mastered the basics of English capitalization, marking her as a first-round pick in the Diversity Draft; if anything, Virginia is wisely poaching her as a future dean.)
  156. @ben tillman
    @Cagey Beast


    What’s even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their “noble lie”*?
     
    We do not plan to govern multiracial societies. We are not white supremacists.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    I get that but you will still need to give at least a thumbnail sketch of how they will govern their multiracial city states after we separate. You have to have an answer for the question: “accepting what you say is true, what are we supposed to do now?”.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Cagey Beast

    Frankly, I don't give a damn. And who is going to ask that question?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

  157. @eah
    @BB753

    Clearly, Angela Saini is delusional!

    The main problem with Saini (and others of her ilk) isn't that she's "delusional" (she may be; I don't know) -- or that she's scientifically ignorant; even that she writes whole books filled with scientifically ignorant nonsense -- the two main problems with Saini are that she 1) aggressively pushes the noxious 'conventional wisdom' that people who disagree with her on important/sensitive topics are morally compromised, and 2) she advocates censorship, including/especially of the internet.

    Also a problem, from what I have seen, is that she doesn't have a lot of intellectual integrity, eg she blocks and otherwise does not engage responsible people who try to constructively confront her about her wrongheadedness.

    But if she would stop condemning people who disagree with her as morally deficient, and stop trying to have the internet censored, fewer people would care about both her lack of intellectual integrity and her scientific ignorance.

    Replies: @BB753, @Forbes

    the two main problems with Saini are … 1) … people who disagree with her on important/sensitive topics are morally compromised, and 2) she advocates censorship, including/especially of the internet.

    In other words, she doesn’t have a credible argument–she has an agenda.

  158. @Anon
    Who on earth is claiming that human races are not the same species? Nobody, racists or otherwise. Where did she get that from?

    Race is a level beneath race, like breeds in dogs or varieties in plants. Kidney beans and black beans are the same species, and cross pollinate if growers aren't careful, but they are a different size, shape, color, and, it is claimed, taste. Hence, they are classified as different varieties.

    By the way, Scientific American is no longer a respected science magazine, so this piece was nowhere near as shocking as Saini getting column inches in Nature.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Forbes

    Has Scientific American been respected this century? It went downhill long ago…

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Forbes

    Circa the late 1990s there was an interesting peer reviewed meta review of The Bell Curve published in a legitimate scientific journal. The author collected up all reviews of the book in scientific journals, and all reviews he could find in name brand major non scientific media. He put Scientific American in the science journal category at that time. He summarized each review.

    His findings were that every single non journal publication negatively reviewed the book, while every single science journal review was positive ... except for SciAm. So even then it was becoming more mainstream and less rigorous.

  159. @Jack D
    "Scientific" American switched from printing scientific news to printing leftist ideological twaddle so long ago that no one even pretends to be shocked anymore when they print more twaddle. Who buys this magazine anymore? How are they still in business?

    It's hilarious that Saini includes Harmon in her appeal to authority. How can it be that these racists cling to their antiquated notion that race really exists, when the great Amy Harmon has already revealed the truth to them? How is it even possible that Amy has not lifted the scales from their eyes?

    I know and understand why some here resist any comparisons between Saini and people who believe in legitimate religions such as their own, but it's really exactly the same thing. Church missionaries would reveal the Truth of the gospels to the ignorant natives. They would read to them the works of the Evangelists - (to the Christians it was Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, to Saini it's Stephen, Evelynn, Jonathan and Amy). If the natives accepted then well and good, but if they were stubborn and inexplicably refused to see the Truth even after it had been revealed to them and clung to their false gods, then the missionaries would get angry. The devil had to be burned out of them and especially their devil worshipping priests and leaders.

    Replies: @FPD72

    And examples of forced conversions by Protestant missionaries are….?

    Dartmouth was founded to educate Native Americans and Europeans with a primary focus on evangelizing New England tribes. I don’t recall devil burning out as among the courses.

    I’m not saying that Protestants never used compulsion: the religious wars in Europe are testimony to that on both sides. But if we are speaking of missionary activity, I don’t think you find much of this, if any.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @FPD72

    I said Christian, not Protestant. Forced conversion was definitely more of a Catholic thing but I'm sure if you dug around hard enough that you'd find Protestant versions of it too.

    And force doesn't only mean "we'll cut your head off", it can also mean "we'll cut you off from your family" or "we'll cut you off from the means of making a living." Notice that Saini doesn't want to literally kill anyone either.

  160. @Bugg
    @Lurker

    Did she interview Charles Murray? He could tell her how a bunch of college morons sent him to the ER, actual physical abuse.

    Replies: @Kronos

    I don’t think he went to the ER. The university lady received a concussion though.

  161. “Well I never!” was also the basic reaction of proper, educated ladies from 1859 – Scopes Monkey Trial, too. (And Beyond! in some cases).

    Funny thing is, those olden-times women rejected the theory of evolution, but seemed to accept many of the downstream effects (e.g., innate sex difference, racial differences, the idea of “national character”, etc). Whereas modern day self-righteous herd-moralistic women will tell you they accept the theory of evolution, but then reject their lying eyes when the downstream effects are pointed out (e.g. skinny Kenyans, thick Eskimos, wary Japanese, impulsive Jamaicans, etc.)

    The need to belong and feel accepted by the group is VERY strong in women. It doesn’t matter what that group’s ideology is, women will believe all the more fervently BECAUSE it is the group’s ideology.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @A-Bax


    The need to belong and feel accepted by the group is VERY strong in women. It doesn’t matter what that group’s ideology is, women will believe all the more fervently BECAUSE it is the group’s ideology.
     
    I agree. Angela Saini is this prototypical woman who plays theses cards feverishly well. She is the ages old magical canary who opens The Doors for us in all their zeitgeisty glory - thus leading us to those "Weird Scenes Inside the Goldmine".

    She is the perfect guide to the collective unconsious of our times. C G Jung would have loved to detect/ and analyze her... One has to be rather curious when dealing with her kind and - - - careful because she indeed has access to powerful depths. -

    - It's hard for the rather - enginerial (= rational, cold, analytic) - mind to encounter such miraculous priestesses, who wear An Egyptian ring, who are artists, who won't look back. I can understand that; but they are here and better be handled with curiosity and - -temper than with neglection or arrogance. Jagger/Richards got this one right too: "If you meet (her, DK) have some courtesy, have some sympathy and have some taste (...) or (s)he will lay your soul to waste!"

    Replies: @BenKenobi

  162. @eah
    You should have excerpted the final passage of her screed in full:

    What has started with a gentle creep through the back door of our computers could end, if we’re not careful, with jackboots through the front door of our homes. Populism, ethnic nationalism and neo-Nazism are on the rise worldwide. If we are to prevent the mistakes of the past from happening again, we need to be more vigilant. The public must hold the Internet giants to account, recognize hatred dressed up as scholarship and learn how to marginalize it, and be assiduous in squeezing out pseudoscience from public debate. This is not a free speech issue; it’s about improving the quality and accuracy of information that people see online, and thereby creating a fairer, kinder society.
     
    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1151070958230429696

    Replies: @Erik L, @Forbes, @Ibound1, @lavoisier, @AnotherDad

    It’s never a ‘free speech’ issue when they want to ban your speech. Never. They say the same damn thing every single time.

    And if they want to be “assiduous in squeezing out pseudoscience from public debate” then can we start with people who say a gender change wish at age 8 is normal and healthy and should be encouraged? Can we be assiduous in that?

  163. @Jack D
    @Scientific Armenian


    What kind of bankruptcy will be declared, and does that allow the state to renegotiate pensions down to a sane level?
     
    There's no provision in Federal law for states to declare bankruptcy. Further, in some states there is language in the state constitution about never reducing pension benefits that have already vested. The only solution is to tax people more and more and to provide less and less services so that the pensions can be paid. Maybe the Federal government will provide loan guarantees so that states can continue to access the borrowing market. In the long run it will fall apart but we're all dead in the long run - if they can patch the system up so it runs for another decade or two (and then apply some different patch that buys them another decade, etc.), that's close enough for government work.

    Replies: @Forbes, @MBlanc46

    in some states there is language in the state constitution about never reducing pension benefits that have already vested

    It’s actually worse than that, Jack. Most vested–meaning earned–benefits cannot be reduced as a contractually obligated liability. But courts in states like Illinois–having state constitutional ‘no reduction’ provisions–have ruled that benefits (promised future, unearned benefits) cannot be reduced.

    States with flexibility can impose different benefit schemes on new hires, and/or freeze current benefit liability and adjust future (unearned) benefits. Though, this latter method often requires state employee union agreement generally not forthcoming. The ratchet apparently only works one-way, benefits can be raised, but not reduced.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Forbes

    This might not be exactly the same thing but a judge in Michigan a few years ago told unions of firefighters and paramedics that they would have to accept less money because the money just wasn't there.
    There is not enough pop cultural focus on the monumental nest-feathering committed by silent generation public servants. There's definitely a movie in that.

  164. @PiltdownMan
    I trust Mr. Sailer will humor this...

    https://i.imgur.com/pnG6ch0.jpg

    Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban, @TWS, @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar, @Inquiring Mind, @AnotherDad

  165. Has she literally even said one thing that yet that referenced anything empirical at all? It sounds like she is getting paid to be an internet gossiper. There are already millions of people who do that for free.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @Anon


    Has she literally even said one thing that yet that referenced anything empirical at all?
     
    No.

    "Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion.” Hume

    Replies: @Desiderius, @BB753

  166. It is ground that has been trodden by respected scholars in the past, including evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould, historian Evelynn Hammonds and anthropologist Jonathan Marks

    Stephen Jay Gould tried to argue that evolution was not constrained, (and by implication that intelligence was a spandel). He said the Burgess shale showed that human beings or anything like them were a fluke that could not have been replicated if the whole thing was run again. He implied that no intelligent life had ever existed anywhere else in the Universe ever. It’s one explanation for the Fermi paradox.

    How did society manage to create so much room for those who genuinely believe that entire nations have innately higher or lower cognitive capacities, who think that mixed-heritage children are genetically impaired, who assume that someone’s skin color can tell you something about their IQ, and who are actively working to resurrect eugenics?

    Wright thought that the random shifting of genetic variant frequencies in small populations — genetic drift — would be necessary to get across adaptive valleys. We now know that drift is a common, and likely important, source of evolutionary change. But in fact, an additional answer lay in Wright’s original formulation of the adaptive landscape as multidimensional. To build from my earlier sketch, consider that there’s more to a bird than its beak. Maybe birds that are sufficiently efficient fliers can seek out seeds to fit any beak size. If we add that new dimension to my original crude sketch, the valley between small beaks and big beaks turns out to be not an unbridgeable chasm, but more of a cirque, with a path from A to B that never loses altitude, provided flight efficiency (“another trait”) can adapt at the same time.

    https://i2.wp.com/www.molecularecologist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/3-D.jpg?resize=1024%2C616&ssl=1

    If you consider that the dimensions of the adaptive landscape are limited only by the dimensions in which living things vary, this logic suggests that there might actually be many paths between phenotypes that look like well-separated peaks when viewed in only two or three dimensions. You might also start to feel a sense of the overwhelming space of possibilities that natural selection sorts through. This is no longer a landscape that Charles Darwin can stroll across on a thoughtful afternoon; it needs more science fictional imagery, like the starship Enterprise warping space to cross light-years in a day, or the Doctor’s TARDIS sliding between geological epochs the way I might walk down the street for a cup of coffee.

    If there is a connection between intelligence and skin colour it could be something like the above. A path from intelligence required at A to that necessary to exist at B. Say people could not get to high latitudes, where greater intellectual demands were placed on them for making traps, clothing, and storing food for winter s, because their dark skin meant they could not make vitamin D at those latitudes. Lighter skinned people would be able to move into that environment and then natural selection would work. There is really the opposite of a connection between intelligence and skin colour in that example, just as the beaks and wing sizes are independent in the quote. But you could separate the ones at A and the ones at B by looking at their colour and not be unsure of which group would be the most intelligent. between individuals you might get it wrong quite often of course.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Sean

    Evolution makes a lot more sense if you understand that it often starts with very small founding populations, even individuals. It's hard to imagine how a whole race can transform itself from black to white or from the Bantu body type to the long limbed Niliotes, but you can pretty easily one individual being born with freakishly pale skin or long and skinny limbs and then his similarly equipped descendants having a survival advantage in that particular climate. Interbreeding among cousins and uncles would be the norm anyway. Eventually those tribes (extended families) who have the advantageous adaptation displace those who don't have the advantage.

    Replies: @Sean

  167. They may the most delusional piece of writing I think I have ever read, literally everything she believes and says is the opposite of the truth. She is peddling pure, unadulterated nonsense and she thinks it represents not only truth, but scientific truth at that. She is peddling pure establishment nonsense and imagines it and her worldview are lonely outnumbered dissenters under siege by an unenlightened majority.

    The people who are actually scientific are the ones who are blacklisted and denied tenure, while the puerile nonsense she spews is the establishment view that the MSM, the universities, and the social media companies are always pushing, she is like Bizarro.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Unladen Swallow

    The apparent lack of self awareness is stunning. It would be an IMPROVEMENT if she were going about this cynically, merely to improve her own standing. But this woman seems to have the absolute certainty of the True Believer. When the Party holds up four fingers and says that it is five, they KNOW how many fingers they are holding up. But she sees five and they don't even have to torture her. She gladly proclaims FIVE, she shouts it with glee. FIVE, FIVE, FIVE is what I see.

    , @J.Ross
    @Unladen Swallow

    This is exactly why we should worry about the Asian hostility to freedom of speech. They do not fail to understand it. They reject it so they can make stuff up.

  168. OT: Females not represented enough in an activity that has scant real-world impact (possibly having to do with objectification, sexism, lack of role models, and lack of supportive on-ramping). Something should be done!

    Some “guy” with a slapworthy face writes in a cultish left-wing fanzine:

    Not one of the Fortnite World Cup’s 100 finalists was a woman. Why?

    RT putting salt into open blue-haired wounds:

    Is feminism so insecure it won’t admit that boys might just be BETTER than girls at Fortnite?

    Ada Lovelace: First hard-core gamerette in history? “She gambled all night” explains Lord Babbage.

  169. Angela Saini says:

    The abuse I’ve seen isn’t unusual. Others receive worse, especially if they are in the public eye. My particular crime was to have written a well-reviewed popular science book about why racial categories are not as biologically meaningful as we think and how, in fact, they have been used to justify slavery and the Holocaust. These are ideas so widely accepted in mainstream academia that it should be blandly uncontroversial to repeat them. Yet to read some of the comments I’ve received, one might imagine I was hopelessly deluded.

    I say that Ann Coulter wrote a book on nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration that became a best-seller but she had all kinds of trouble getting book reviews and book interviews to hawk her book.

    The corrupt and evil and immoral ruling classes in the USA and England will push anti-White foreigner interlopers like Saini, but they will try to ignore a woman with colonial American ancestry like Ann Coulter. Ann Coulter is fighting for truth and honor and apple pie and Angela Saini is fighting for anti-White and anti-worker and anti-sovereignty globalization and financialization and mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration. Angela Saini also might have worked behind the scenes to destroy the free speech of English mad dog Ed Dutton. That’s neither very nice nor very sporting, Saini!

    I suspect that every corrupt anti-White corporate propaganda outlet that ever existed was hot to trot like a bastard in publicising and promoting this crappy Angela Saini book.

    This horrible ant-White boob Angela Saini thinks she can waltz right in to European Christian nations and tell all the native Whites in those nations that they are so-called “racists” or other such crap? Go to Hell Angela Saini!

    This vile and disgusting Angela Saini is like the town whore who prances up to the pulpit and starts sending everybody else straight to Hell. We ain’t listening to your anti-White propaganda slop, Saini!

    Tweets from 2015:

  170. Saini’s a Real Asian and has no explanation for why those of a lower caste would continue speaking after learning of her annual income.

  171. @Unladen Swallow
    They may the most delusional piece of writing I think I have ever read, literally everything she believes and says is the opposite of the truth. She is peddling pure, unadulterated nonsense and she thinks it represents not only truth, but scientific truth at that. She is peddling pure establishment nonsense and imagines it and her worldview are lonely outnumbered dissenters under siege by an unenlightened majority.

    The people who are actually scientific are the ones who are blacklisted and denied tenure, while the puerile nonsense she spews is the establishment view that the MSM, the universities, and the social media companies are always pushing, she is like Bizarro.

    Replies: @Jack D, @J.Ross

    The apparent lack of self awareness is stunning. It would be an IMPROVEMENT if she were going about this cynically, merely to improve her own standing. But this woman seems to have the absolute certainty of the True Believer. When the Party holds up four fingers and says that it is five, they KNOW how many fingers they are holding up. But she sees five and they don’t even have to torture her. She gladly proclaims FIVE, she shouts it with glee. FIVE, FIVE, FIVE is what I see.

  172. @SFG
    @Scientific Armenian

    They're going to start shutting down biological science that doesn't fit their preconceptions.

    This is how the Arabs fell behind. There's a reason 'algebra' and 'algorithm' start the way they do. Now, they're chopping people's hands off in the square and pretending countries don't exist.

    Replies: @L Woods

    Islamic fundamentalists have at least some redeeming virtues (their civilization, however stagnant, is at least poised to endure). Woke cultists have none at all.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @L Woods


    Islamic fundamentalists have at least some redeeming virtues (their civilization, however stagnant, is at least poised to endure). Woke cultists have none at all.
     
    Agree. I hate these people. Don't want them anywhere near the West. Would be happy if they vanished from the face of the earth. But their social order at least passes the self-consistency survival test. Western progs--not just woke cultists, but mere generic progs--in contrast are on a death march... and insisting vigorously that we must die with them.
  173. @Unladen Swallow
    They may the most delusional piece of writing I think I have ever read, literally everything she believes and says is the opposite of the truth. She is peddling pure, unadulterated nonsense and she thinks it represents not only truth, but scientific truth at that. She is peddling pure establishment nonsense and imagines it and her worldview are lonely outnumbered dissenters under siege by an unenlightened majority.

    The people who are actually scientific are the ones who are blacklisted and denied tenure, while the puerile nonsense she spews is the establishment view that the MSM, the universities, and the social media companies are always pushing, she is like Bizarro.

    Replies: @Jack D, @J.Ross

    This is exactly why we should worry about the Asian hostility to freedom of speech. They do not fail to understand it. They reject it so they can make stuff up.

  174. OT OT OT

    Well-to-do Illinois parents, including lawyers, doctors and realtors, are reportedly giving up custody of their high school-aged children in order to help them secure scholarships and financial aid reserved for low-income students.

    Separate investigations conducted by ProPublica Illinois and The Wall Street Journal have uncovered dozens of cases in the wealthy suburbs of Chicago involving parents transferring legal guardianship of their teenagers to grandparents, aunts, friends, or even co-workers over the past year-and-a-half.

    The idea behind the tactic, which is legal in Illinois, is that once the parents give up custody, the children are able to declare themselves financially independent on college applications and declare dramatically lower incomes.

    The Wall Street Journal cites one example article where a student whose parents owned a $1.2 million house ended up declaring only $4,200 earned from a summer job, and securing $47,000 in scholarships and federal grants to attend a private university where the annual tuition costs $65,000.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7301359/Illinois-parents-giving-custody-children-help-college-scholarships.html

  175. @Jack D
    @BB753

    It's pretty common for ideologues not to know when to quit. To an objective observer, they have defeated the main force and now are mercilessly hunting down and killing the few remaining stragglers, but from their POV in the trenches, they really don't know what hidden forces the enemy has in reserve so the wise course is to keep killing them until they receive an unconditional surrender. Sure the people they are shooting look like bedraggled old men and barefoot boys, but you KNOW that the enemy is rich and powerful - maybe they are just hiding it somehow. Who has time to analyze such things when the war is not yet over? Until you stamp out the last embers the fire may flare up again.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Kronos, @L Woods

    She may be referring to “regressive” leftists. Those who are self-identified leftists but carry the HBD “hate” gene. In STEM college courses, I’ve encountered East Asian and South Asian professors who hated blacks. They often used black population datasets to demonstrate crime and low real estate values. Many were foreign and didn’t have the patience for SJW blank slate crap. Regardless, they voted democrat and presented themselves as moderate liberals.

    This also includes (often white) Liberals who play the LA, Seattle, New York real estate game. Liberal gentrifiers understand the darkies are a violent problem and subsequently devise means of removing them via urban renewal. That “education” and “job training” isn’t going to work for them.

    I’m curious on who’s the target demographic for Saini’s book? Young people or old 1960s diehards that will die before admitting race isn’t just a social construct. It’s certainly toward the imperial court of blank slate people. (This certainly isn’t a book to convince knowledgeable HBD members.)

  176. @Forbes
    @Jack D


    in some states there is language in the state constitution about never reducing pension benefits that have already vested
     
    It's actually worse than that, Jack. Most vested--meaning earned--benefits cannot be reduced as a contractually obligated liability. But courts in states like Illinois--having state constitutional 'no reduction' provisions--have ruled that benefits (promised future, unearned benefits) cannot be reduced.

    States with flexibility can impose different benefit schemes on new hires, and/or freeze current benefit liability and adjust future (unearned) benefits. Though, this latter method often requires state employee union agreement generally not forthcoming. The ratchet apparently only works one-way, benefits can be raised, but not reduced.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    This might not be exactly the same thing but a judge in Michigan a few years ago told unions of firefighters and paramedics that they would have to accept less money because the money just wasn’t there.
    There is not enough pop cultural focus on the monumental nest-feathering committed by silent generation public servants. There’s definitely a movie in that.

  177. @Cagey Beast
    You HBD guys had a freak-out the last time I said this but you're all going to have to deal with the fact that "feelings don't care about your facts", as Richard Spencer said in response to Ben Shapiro's catchphrase. You guys can have all the data you want but you'll still have to deal with two things:

    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.

    2) To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What's even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their "noble lie"*?

    On the second point, I myself think we're going to end up divorcing the more vibrant metropolitan regions from the rest of our countries but that doesn't help HBD'ers clear that public relations hurdle. It still means the people now in power, who would see themselves inhabiting the hypothetical city states, still have to imagine how they'd govern their vibrant fellow citizens once your HBD cat is out of the bag.

    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements. I know saying so is just throwing red meat to all the keyboard bad-asses but someone has to. Someone has to act like we actually have to figure out how to responsibly govern our countries. We can't all be like Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump. Some of us have to be the adults in the room.

    * It's funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato's Republic.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lucas McCrudy, @Justvisiting, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @Whiskey, @Kronos, @advancedatheist, @Rosie

    We’ve lost totally and we can see the outline of the solution to a broke and dead broke multi cultural and racial society.

    White men are made into evil. And made into serfs best option. Kulaked or final solution worst.

    Future President Harris is set to announce the Fugitive White act. Any White fleeing diversity will be … bused into diversity if a child and forced into it otherwise.

    Other nations have made it a crime for Whites to marry and have kids. I am sure our non White Indian tech overlords have those plans.

    If course there will be a slave revolt but it will likely fail. White women in particular love the blank slate and despite Trump. They all have ambition to move up by marrying non White rulers. Game of Thrones, Twilight, Fifty Shades of Billionaire Bondage stuff all the way down.

    Why be an ordinary woman when you can be a queen ruling the deplorable?

  178. The female editor in chief of Scientific American also oversees Nature. She thinks it’s important that people like here succeed because of role models.

    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/new-com-dean-mariette-dichristina/

    And no, she’s not dumbing the scienc down for readers, instead she’s “inviting them in.”

    https://thecollege.asu.edu/content/dumbing-it-down-—-or-inviting-world

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    @Paleo Retiree

    That would explain why Angela Saini is getting platforms in both publications, I thought John Horgan was a deranged anti-scientific leftist, he pales next to Bizarro Saini though.

  179. @El Dato
    @JerseyJeffersonian

    Confirming, but it has been that way for a few months now.

    Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian

    For me, it just started doing that a couple of days ago. It isn’t a complete fail, but it sure has taken away a well-functioning capability and made things more inconvenient at this site.

    Here’s hoping that it will be sorted soon.

    Fare forward, voyager…

  180. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @ATate

    Read that Scotland has a much higher crime rate than England though LOL

    Replies: @Smith_sonian

    Read that Scotland has a much higher crime rate than England though LOL

    Yup, big drug problem amongst the underclass in Edinburgh and Glasgow. Other than them, the rest of Scotland is very nice, particularly the western isles IMHO.

  181. @Anonymous
    A very verbose, windy, roundabout, overwrought way of saying "I don't believe in free speech and freedom of enquiry, never have done and never will".

    The old story of Galileo and the clerical authorities springs to mind.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @J.Ross

    Important distinction: if Galileo was Chinese or Indian, he wouldn’t be given house arrest. His family would be erased and no one would know what he had done.

  182. @Buzz Mohawk
    Put down that science, young man, before you hurt somebody.

    Oh, and everything leads to Nazis. If you keep letting facts creep in the backdoor, soon enough there will be jackboots coming in the front door. So close the door!

    What will Momma Saini scold us about next? Will she warn us that reading dirty things like iSteve will make us go blind?

    Replies: @Realist, @Macumazahn

    May I read iSteve just until I need glasses?

  183. @BengaliCanadianDude
    I agree Steve she's a promoter of anti-scientific cow dung, but why do you keep giving her publicity? You're smart enough to know better IMO, and you should obviously know this helps her gain attention because she can claim she's being attacked by "white racists" or whatever the current canard is, which only elevates her into a higher position

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Lugash

    Steve Sailer is giving establishment-endorsed bestselling author Angela Saini publicity. On his blog. Okay.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @J.Ross

    Publicity is publicity. And now she can claim to be a victim or something

  184. @El Dato
    @eah

    That's Quantitative Easing 1 and 2 again.

    And who exactly will buy USD 800 billion in T-bills?

    China?

    The Federal Reserve? They already have "2 trillion" stashed away on an USB stick.

    Replies: @Craig, @Altan ibn Goldman, @anon

    Who will buy them? People whose alternative have negative yields.

    https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2019/07/my-questions-about-negative-yielding-debt/

  185. @Saxon
    Her entire worldview and the activism she's doing (and this is activism) springs from the fact that she is a foreigner in someone else's country and she knows it.

    Replies: @Element59, @Kylie

    “Her entire worldview and the activism she’s doing (and this is activism) springs from the fact that she is a foreigner in someone else’s country and she knows it.”

    Yes, she’s a woman in a man’s world.

    I’m getting really cranky at how much attention is paid to the blathering of females, especially WoC. They are equal parts ignorant and arrogant. Also, they’re just plain unintelligent.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Kylie

    What's worse is that no one dares call them on their bullshit - if you do, you're automatically a racist/sexist. Usually bullshitters get stopped at some point by the Peter Principle but that system has broken down so women of color keep rising higher and higher, way past their level of incompetence. The only consolation is that such unchecked parasites eventually kill their host - this is OK if the host is some studiez department or glossy magazine but when they start to kill off institutions that are vital to the functioning of society then the shit gets real.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Rosie
    @Kylie


    Also, they’re just plain unintelligent.
     
    Evidently, you're not the brightest bulb in the chandelier either. I literally have never known you to have an interesting thing to say, which is why you have to resort to bashing other women for upcummies.

    Replies: @Kylie

  186. @Paleo Retiree
    The female editor in chief of Scientific American also oversees Nature. She thinks it's important that people like here succeed because of role models.

    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/new-com-dean-mariette-dichristina/

    And no, she’s not dumbing the scienc down for readers, instead she’s “inviting them in.”

    https://thecollege.asu.edu/content/dumbing-it-down-—-or-inviting-world

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow

    That would explain why Angela Saini is getting platforms in both publications, I thought John Horgan was a deranged anti-scientific leftist, he pales next to Bizarro Saini though.

  187. @BB753
    "But as I was reminded when I researched Superior, racists exist at all levels of society, including in academia, science, media and politics. They have money and power."

    Clearly, Angela Saini is delusional!

    Replies: @SFG, @eah, @Prester John, @Jack D, @Anonymousse

    It’s funny to us but I get where she’s coming from…

    logically a completely pervasive all powerful conspiracy of evil racists is pretty much the only way to even attempt to explain away the endless pile of facts about inequality that those “pseudo science race realists” are maliciously cherry picking.

    Life really is a bowl of cherries!

    Most avoid dissonance by carefully remaining ignorant of the basic facts about race, but to write even her silly propaganda she had to have encountered many strong arguments that would convince any honest intelligent person.

  188. @Sean

    It is ground that has been trodden by respected scholars in the past, including evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould, historian Evelynn Hammonds and anthropologist Jonathan Marks
     
    Stephen Jay Gould tried to argue that evolution was not constrained, (and by implication that intelligence was a spandel). He said the Burgess shale showed that human beings or anything like them were a fluke that could not have been replicated if the whole thing was run again. He implied that no intelligent life had ever existed anywhere else in the Universe ever. It's one explanation for the Fermi paradox.

    How did society manage to create so much room for those who genuinely believe that entire nations have innately higher or lower cognitive capacities, who think that mixed-heritage children are genetically impaired, who assume that someone’s skin color can tell you something about their IQ, and who are actively working to resurrect eugenics?
     

    Wright thought that the random shifting of genetic variant frequencies in small populations — genetic drift — would be necessary to get across adaptive valleys. We now know that drift is a common, and likely important, source of evolutionary change. But in fact, an additional answer lay in Wright’s original formulation of the adaptive landscape as multidimensional. To build from my earlier sketch, consider that there’s more to a bird than its beak. Maybe birds that are sufficiently efficient fliers can seek out seeds to fit any beak size. If we add that new dimension to my original crude sketch, the valley between small beaks and big beaks turns out to be not an unbridgeable chasm, but more of a cirque, with a path from A to B that never loses altitude, provided flight efficiency (“another trait”) can adapt at the same time.


    https://i2.wp.com/www.molecularecologist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/3-D.jpg?resize=1024%2C616&ssl=1


    If you consider that the dimensions of the adaptive landscape are limited only by the dimensions in which living things vary, this logic suggests that there might actually be many paths between phenotypes that look like well-separated peaks when viewed in only two or three dimensions. You might also start to feel a sense of the overwhelming space of possibilities that natural selection sorts through. This is no longer a landscape that Charles Darwin can stroll across on a thoughtful afternoon; it needs more science fictional imagery, like the starship Enterprise warping space to cross light-years in a day, or the Doctor’s TARDIS sliding between geological epochs the way I might walk down the street for a cup of coffee.
     
    If there is a connection between intelligence and skin colour it could be something like the above. A path from intelligence required at A to that necessary to exist at B. Say people could not get to high latitudes, where greater intellectual demands were placed on them for making traps, clothing, and storing food for winter s, because their dark skin meant they could not make vitamin D at those latitudes. Lighter skinned people would be able to move into that environment and then natural selection would work. There is really the opposite of a connection between intelligence and skin colour in that example, just as the beaks and wing sizes are independent in the quote. But you could separate the ones at A and the ones at B by looking at their colour and not be unsure of which group would be the most intelligent. between individuals you might get it wrong quite often of course.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Evolution makes a lot more sense if you understand that it often starts with very small founding populations, even individuals. It’s hard to imagine how a whole race can transform itself from black to white or from the Bantu body type to the long limbed Niliotes, but you can pretty easily one individual being born with freakishly pale skin or long and skinny limbs and then his similarly equipped descendants having a survival advantage in that particular climate. Interbreeding among cousins and uncles would be the norm anyway. Eventually those tribes (extended families) who have the advantageous adaptation displace those who don’t have the advantage.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Jack D


    It’s hard to imagine how a whole race can transform itself from black to white or from the Bantu body type to the long limbed Niliotes, but you can pretty easily one individual being born with freakishly pale skin or long and skinny limbs and then his similarly equipped descendants having a survival advantage in that particular climate.
     
    Turtles all the way down, eh? I am not an anti-adaptationist myself. And if "evolution makes a lot more sense if you understand that it often starts with very small founding populations, even individuals" then how do we know the current population is adapted at all and what you are calling evolution could just be founder effect and then why would any two populations differ in intelligence. Unless intelligence is just a spandrel.
  189. @Rex Banner
    Off-topic...

    Becoming Full Professor While Black
    By Marlene L. Daut JULY 28, 2019

    After I received word of my promotion to full professor this past June — a day after my 39th birthday — I decided to text my friends rather than post the news on Twitter. One of them asked how I was celebrating. I told her that I wasn’t yet. Instead I was making a list of all the people who had tried to destroy my career.

    "Wow, that’s heavy," she said. It was.

     

    https://www.chronicle.com/article/Becoming-Full-Professor-While/246743

    Replies: @El Dato, @bomag, @Barnard, @More R1b, Less H1B

    That’s a nice blurb for the movie “Black Himmler”.

    “They tried to destroy his career. But now … it’s his turn!”

    “Chillingly believable” … New York Times Film Review
    “Engrossing. Just what whitey deserves!” … The Guardian
    “It’s the smalltime bureaucrat eyeglasses that make it.” … The Root
    “I came for the camps, but stayed for the anger.” … The Forward

  190. @Kylie
    @Saxon

    "Her entire worldview and the activism she’s doing (and this is activism) springs from the fact that she is a foreigner in someone else’s country and she knows it."

    Yes, she's a woman in a man's world.

    I'm getting really cranky at how much attention is paid to the blathering of females, especially WoC. They are equal parts ignorant and arrogant. Also, they're just plain unintelligent.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rosie

    What’s worse is that no one dares call them on their bullshit – if you do, you’re automatically a racist/sexist. Usually bullshitters get stopped at some point by the Peter Principle but that system has broken down so women of color keep rising higher and higher, way past their level of incompetence. The only consolation is that such unchecked parasites eventually kill their host – this is OK if the host is some studiez department or glossy magazine but when they start to kill off institutions that are vital to the functioning of society then the shit gets real.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Jack D


    The only consolation is that such unchecked parasites eventually kill their host – this is OK if the host is some studiez department or glossy magazine but when they start to kill off institutions that are vital to the functioning of society then the shit gets real.
     
    Spot on.

    When encountering a WOC in some official capacity, I always figured there was a work-around for the important things.

    Now, I'm seeing things just not getting done.
  191. anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

    Political Correctness is just masked Anti Whiteism.

    Where are the “diversity advocates” demanding open borders, mass immigration, or “diversity” into any global place or institution that is Non White?

    Racial minority Whites are being tortured – literally, not figuratively tortured – to death in South Africa. Where are the “minority rights advocates”?

    Whites like the Slavs and the Irish, among others, faced terrible mass enslavement and colonization, from the Islamic world in particular. Where are the the “social justice advocates”?

    As always, Anti Racist is really just Anti White.
    And Diversity means White G…

  192. @Altai

    In Superior: The Return of Race Science, I interview researchers at the cutting edge of research into human difference to journalistically expose the dangerous history of scientific racism. It is ground that has been trodden by respected scholars in the past, including evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould, historian Evelynn Hammonds and anthropologist Jonathan Marks, as well as journalists such as Amy Harmon at the New York Times. Despite all our efforts, sometimes it feels as though we are no further along.
     
    So an over-the-hill macro evolutionary biologist who doesn't study humans, an historian, a cultural anthropologist who attempted the block the HGDP (Ie, tried to stop research into human differences) and a journalist.
    Who were the 'researchers at the cutting edge of research into human difference', she interviewed?

    All I see are 4 people who are about as far from 'objective' as possible who can't go one minute without their similar politics conditioning their professional output, just like Ms Saini herself.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    We all came out of Africa, from mitochondrial Eve, don’t you know. End of discussion.

    Except for the Chosen Ones.

    Any surprise that Saini looks to be an upper caste dot Indian? Wikipedia just says she was born in London. Perhaps artificially, with no parents.

  193. @A-Bax
    "Well I never!" was also the basic reaction of proper, educated ladies from 1859 - Scopes Monkey Trial, too. (And Beyond! in some cases).

    Funny thing is, those olden-times women rejected the theory of evolution, but seemed to accept many of the downstream effects (e.g., innate sex difference, racial differences, the idea of "national character", etc). Whereas modern day self-righteous herd-moralistic women will tell you they accept the theory of evolution, but then reject their lying eyes when the downstream effects are pointed out (e.g. skinny Kenyans, thick Eskimos, wary Japanese, impulsive Jamaicans, etc.)

    The need to belong and feel accepted by the group is VERY strong in women. It doesn't matter what that group's ideology is, women will believe all the more fervently BECAUSE it is the group's ideology.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    The need to belong and feel accepted by the group is VERY strong in women. It doesn’t matter what that group’s ideology is, women will believe all the more fervently BECAUSE it is the group’s ideology.

    I agree. Angela Saini is this prototypical woman who plays theses cards feverishly well. She is the ages old magical canary who opens The Doors for us in all their zeitgeisty glory – thus leading us to those “Weird Scenes Inside the Goldmine”.

    She is the perfect guide to the collective unconsious of our times. C G Jung would have loved to detect/ and analyze her… One has to be rather curious when dealing with her kind and – – – careful because she indeed has access to powerful depths. –

    – It’s hard for the rather – enginerial (= rational, cold, analytic) – mind to encounter such miraculous priestesses, who wear An Egyptian ring, who are artists, who won’t look back. I can understand that; but they are here and better be handled with curiosity and – -temper than with neglection or arrogance. Jagger/Richards got this one right too: “If you meet (her, DK) have some courtesy, have some sympathy and have some taste (…) or (s)he will lay your soul to waste!”

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Dieter Kief

    I tell you this: no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.

  194. @Anon
    Has she literally even said one thing that yet that referenced anything empirical at all? It sounds like she is getting paid to be an internet gossiper. There are already millions of people who do that for free.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    Has she literally even said one thing that yet that referenced anything empirical at all?

    No.

    “Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion.” Hume

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @ThreeCranes

    Hume, glorified witch hunter. About right. We live in his world now. This too shall pass.

    Replies: @Vinteuil

    , @BB753
    @ThreeCranes

    One of the greatest quotes in the history of Western thought! It's sad to see how much B.S. has been said and written (and published!) for the last hundred years or so.
    If I had to choose a title for a book reviewing Western thought in the last hundred years it would be this: "From Freud to Gender Theory: a Hundred Years of Deceit and Obfuscation"

  195. They’re trampling over our carpets with their grubby shoes even as we offer them a drink.

    Where’s my drink at, bitch?

  196. @Jack D
    @BB753

    It's pretty common for ideologues not to know when to quit. To an objective observer, they have defeated the main force and now are mercilessly hunting down and killing the few remaining stragglers, but from their POV in the trenches, they really don't know what hidden forces the enemy has in reserve so the wise course is to keep killing them until they receive an unconditional surrender. Sure the people they are shooting look like bedraggled old men and barefoot boys, but you KNOW that the enemy is rich and powerful - maybe they are just hiding it somehow. Who has time to analyze such things when the war is not yet over? Until you stamp out the last embers the fire may flare up again.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Kronos, @L Woods

    Something the right forgets at its peril should it ever regain the upper hand. Never, EVER give these ‘people’ an inch.

  197. @Cagey Beast
    You HBD guys had a freak-out the last time I said this but you're all going to have to deal with the fact that "feelings don't care about your facts", as Richard Spencer said in response to Ben Shapiro's catchphrase. You guys can have all the data you want but you'll still have to deal with two things:

    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.

    2) To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What's even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their "noble lie"*?

    On the second point, I myself think we're going to end up divorcing the more vibrant metropolitan regions from the rest of our countries but that doesn't help HBD'ers clear that public relations hurdle. It still means the people now in power, who would see themselves inhabiting the hypothetical city states, still have to imagine how they'd govern their vibrant fellow citizens once your HBD cat is out of the bag.

    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements. I know saying so is just throwing red meat to all the keyboard bad-asses but someone has to. Someone has to act like we actually have to figure out how to responsibly govern our countries. We can't all be like Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump. Some of us have to be the adults in the room.

    * It's funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato's Republic.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lucas McCrudy, @Justvisiting, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @Whiskey, @Kronos, @advancedatheist, @Rosie

    “1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.”

    True, except the Baby Boomer beneficiaries of blank-slate dogma (educators) have nearly bankrupted the entire system. Many colleges/universities are in debt, pensions are underfunded, and entitlements are increasingly consuming the majority of the federal budget. Angela Saini and company are worried (rightly so) that those positions will be destroyed before they get to eat at the trough. Entitlements are consuming 60% of the federal budget. This opens the opportunity for a decisive victory.

    Why should Boomer feminists care about abortion for younger female generations? (Generation before Gender!) “I’m already on menopause, I don’t need to worry about getting knocked up. I need the government to shore up money for my entitlements. Those kids don’t need Planned Parenthood, they can figure it out on their own.”

    That Boomer mindset has spread far and wide. About 50% of colleges are planned to go bankrupt in a few years. I’m going to bet that blank-slate boomers have burned so many bridges and so institutionally debt addicted that a major paradigm shift is foreseeable.

    http://economiccollapsenews.com/2017/12/04/will-half-of-u-s-colleges-be-bankrupt-in-10-to-15-years/

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Kronos

    Having 4,000 degree granting institutions doesn't make any sense, especially not in an age of easy travel (not to mention distance learning). The degrees from institutions #2001 to 4000 are largely worthless anyway (unless they are in some technical field such as dental assistant - those could be put on a paying basis and called "trade schools" instead of universities). Too many degree granting institutions and too many people attending who aren't really college material. The consolidation can't come soon enough. Millions of people are wasting their most productive years and incurring massive debt to get "degrees" that are worthless pieces of paper.

    Replies: @Kronos

  198. @Rex Banner
    Off-topic...

    Becoming Full Professor While Black
    By Marlene L. Daut JULY 28, 2019

    After I received word of my promotion to full professor this past June — a day after my 39th birthday — I decided to text my friends rather than post the news on Twitter. One of them asked how I was celebrating. I told her that I wasn’t yet. Instead I was making a list of all the people who had tried to destroy my career.

    "Wow, that’s heavy," she said. It was.

     

    https://www.chronicle.com/article/Becoming-Full-Professor-While/246743

    Replies: @El Dato, @bomag, @Barnard, @More R1b, Less H1B

    Becoming Full Professor While Black

    The expected: she was surrounded by haters at every turn; but she conquered all by being ten times better than them.

    Now is a professor in the department of African American studies and in the American studies program at the University of Virginia.

    Education dollars working hard for you!

  199. @BB753
    @eah

    What's worse she plays the victim while using Stassi tactics on dissenters.

    Replies: @eah, @Dieter Kief

    She plays the victim while using Stasi tactics on dissenters

    Yep. She has understood, that the combination of playing a) the (female!) victim and b) using Stasi tactics is a mutual enhancer. She might not be very bright, but she is bright enough, to understand and quite effectively use this mechanism. (It doesn’t matter how dumb you are, as long as you know how to win (Badenian saying – another German saying: The Devil shits always on the biggest pile! – true for she-Devils too ( She’s a 2oth Century Fox…).

  200. Doesn’t [society] have a responsibility to protect those whose humanity and safety is threatened by the minority who seek to deny people equal rights and freedoms based on race or gender?

    What equal rights and freedoms are being denied? You mean the rights and freedoms for non-inferior peoples to invade the countries of non-superior peoples?

    Indians are bitter as hell that India has an average IQ of 81 and are hellbent on changing the perception. But the rat infested poverty stricken hellhole that is India makes it hard for perceptions to be changed, so they try to elevate their status by labeling all those with higher IQ “racist”.

  201. @Rex Banner
    Off-topic...

    Becoming Full Professor While Black
    By Marlene L. Daut JULY 28, 2019

    After I received word of my promotion to full professor this past June — a day after my 39th birthday — I decided to text my friends rather than post the news on Twitter. One of them asked how I was celebrating. I told her that I wasn’t yet. Instead I was making a list of all the people who had tried to destroy my career.

    "Wow, that’s heavy," she said. It was.

     

    https://www.chronicle.com/article/Becoming-Full-Professor-While/246743

    Replies: @El Dato, @bomag, @Barnard, @More R1b, Less H1B

    Marlene Daut wrote a book on the literary history of the Haitian Revolution and is now a tenure track professor at the University of Virginia. As if the legacy of Thomas Jefferson hasn’t suffered enough in the last few years.

    I especially enjoyed her comment that she and others were labeled “bad teachers” because of “inappropriate personal comments made on our course evaluations by students.” Perhaps Marlene really is a bad teacher, of course any criticism from students was racist though.

  202. @FPD72
    @Jack D

    And examples of forced conversions by Protestant missionaries are....?

    Dartmouth was founded to educate Native Americans and Europeans with a primary focus on evangelizing New England tribes. I don’t recall devil burning out as among the courses.

    I’m not saying that Protestants never used compulsion: the religious wars in Europe are testimony to that on both sides. But if we are speaking of missionary activity, I don’t think you find much of this, if any.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I said Christian, not Protestant. Forced conversion was definitely more of a Catholic thing but I’m sure if you dug around hard enough that you’d find Protestant versions of it too.

    And force doesn’t only mean “we’ll cut your head off”, it can also mean “we’ll cut you off from your family” or “we’ll cut you off from the means of making a living.” Notice that Saini doesn’t want to literally kill anyone either.

  203. Ed Dutton’s Mad Dog Englishman Impression Of Angela Saini:

    Superior by Angela Saini. A Video Review


    #BitChute


  204. @Kronos
    @Cagey Beast

    "1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight."

    True, except the Baby Boomer beneficiaries of blank-slate dogma (educators) have nearly bankrupted the entire system. Many colleges/universities are in debt, pensions are underfunded, and entitlements are increasingly consuming the majority of the federal budget. Angela Saini and company are worried (rightly so) that those positions will be destroyed before they get to eat at the trough. Entitlements are consuming 60% of the federal budget. This opens the opportunity for a decisive victory.

    Why should Boomer feminists care about abortion for younger female generations? (Generation before Gender!) "I'm already on menopause, I don't need to worry about getting knocked up. I need the government to shore up money for my entitlements. Those kids don't need Planned Parenthood, they can figure it out on their own."

    That Boomer mindset has spread far and wide. About 50% of colleges are planned to go bankrupt in a few years. I'm going to bet that blank-slate boomers have burned so many bridges and so institutionally debt addicted that a major paradigm shift is foreseeable.


    http://economiccollapsenews.com/2017/12/04/will-half-of-u-s-colleges-be-bankrupt-in-10-to-15-years/

    Replies: @Jack D

    Having 4,000 degree granting institutions doesn’t make any sense, especially not in an age of easy travel (not to mention distance learning). The degrees from institutions #2001 to 4000 are largely worthless anyway (unless they are in some technical field such as dental assistant – those could be put on a paying basis and called “trade schools” instead of universities). Too many degree granting institutions and too many people attending who aren’t really college material. The consolidation can’t come soon enough. Millions of people are wasting their most productive years and incurring massive debt to get “degrees” that are worthless pieces of paper.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Jack D

    They’re there for terrible reasons.

    1) The federal government owns 70% of student loan debt. They make money off students to pay for federal expenditures. (This is one of the few times I’m impressed with Elizabeth Warren.) where the money goes I can’t figure out. (I’ve looked but to no avail.) I’m assuming a Medicare Part D viagra subsidy.

    https://youtu.be/_ZvCi7R0eTo

    2) Parents send their kids to college to purposely waste time. 60% of Baby Boomers can’t afford to retire. So the good jobs are unavailable until they die. College helps students “wait out the clock.” With only a slight sense of prestige.

    3) Help improve unemployment numbers. If your a student, your technically working.

    4) a bunch of other bad counterproductive reasons. Like creating a brainwashed army of liberal Democrats. “We can’t increase their IQ, what we can command them what/how to think.”

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  205. Two OT (but iSteve-ish) items from the world’s most interesting newspaper:

    Patriots OL Joe Thuney claims he intentionally sabotaged his Wonderlic score:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7301925/Patriots-Joe-Thuney-botched-wonderlic-worried-smart-NFL.html

    Prince Harry is doubling down on the SJW (muh white racism, muh climate change) BS:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7301321/Prince-Harry-interviewed-Dr-Jane-Goodall-Meghans-edition-British-Vogue.html

  206. @Jack D
    @Kronos

    Having 4,000 degree granting institutions doesn't make any sense, especially not in an age of easy travel (not to mention distance learning). The degrees from institutions #2001 to 4000 are largely worthless anyway (unless they are in some technical field such as dental assistant - those could be put on a paying basis and called "trade schools" instead of universities). Too many degree granting institutions and too many people attending who aren't really college material. The consolidation can't come soon enough. Millions of people are wasting their most productive years and incurring massive debt to get "degrees" that are worthless pieces of paper.

    Replies: @Kronos

    They’re there for terrible reasons.

    1) The federal government owns 70% of student loan debt. They make money off students to pay for federal expenditures. (This is one of the few times I’m impressed with Elizabeth Warren.) where the money goes I can’t figure out. (I’ve looked but to no avail.) I’m assuming a Medicare Part D viagra subsidy.

    2) Parents send their kids to college to purposely waste time. 60% of Baby Boomers can’t afford to retire. So the good jobs are unavailable until they die. College helps students “wait out the clock.” With only a slight sense of prestige.

    3) Help improve unemployment numbers. If your a student, your technically working.

    4) a bunch of other bad counterproductive reasons. Like creating a brainwashed army of liberal Democrats. “We can’t increase their IQ, what we can command them what/how to think.”

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Kronos

    Your #4 is very important. Even if they don't get educated, they get indoctrinated, and they get into massive debt for the privilege. It's a win-win!

  207. @Jack D
    @Jack Hanson

    Sure, this kind of doubling down on ideological purity always happens when the reigning system sees itself under threat. If there are no real threats to your ideology you can tolerate some differences of opinion but if you see that the horses are starting to run wild then you have to tighten the reins or the whole wagon may be overturned.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Vinteuil

    Wow – Jack D finds common ground with Jack Hanson. The End must be very near indeed.

  208. @PiltdownMan
    I trust Mr. Sailer will humor this...

    https://i.imgur.com/pnG6ch0.jpg

    Replies: @Uilleam Yr Alban, @TWS, @ben tillman, @Reg Cæsar, @Inquiring Mind, @AnotherDad

    Miss Saini has made a terrible life choice.

    She’s blessed by nature with more facial symetric and somewhat more feminine features than most. To pump out these articles and books she clearly has the IQ and conscientiousness to have been a good mom. She could have easily snagged a quality guy back at Oxford or at King’s. Yet i see no hint of a husband or children–the 2nd of which would have taught her something about the validity of “the blank slate”–in her bio. She could now have her third or fourth child potty trained and spending a few hours in pre-school and be doing either the Brit equivalent of PTA stuff or be working from home ramping back up on freelance work. And if she’d had the good sense and rope in a white husband, those kids would have the nice mixed tones–e.g. Meridith Kercher–probably given, Miss Saini’s looks, quite cute.

    Instead she chose to be a mouthpiece for the establishment’s minoritarian/globalist/anti-nationalist bromides. Actually it’s most ludicruous “blank slate”–“race does not exist”, “sex does not exist”–ideological nonsense. (It’s economic globalism is nasty, but less obvious ludicrous.) She gets these nice little pat-on-the-back awards and accoldates which apparently are catnip to gals self-esteem. But the whole march of genetics is going to be debunking her work more and more each year. And the powers that be will inevitably move on to some new (younger, fresher) mouthpiece capable of massaging the science to soothe the discomforting message more subtlely and without the laughable debunked ouevre behind her. In a few years, the looks are gone, the accolades are fading … “here kitty, here kitty”.

    Miss Saini has traded the *real* and *important* and deeply *rewarding* job of motherhood, for a few bucks and a bunch of “you go girl” awards from the PC hothouse.

    There is no end to the destruction wrought by minoritarianism/feminism/progressivism. The kool-aid that kills.

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @AnotherDad


    ... She could have easily snagged a quality guy back at Oxford or at King’s. Yet i see no hint of a husband or children–the 2nd of which would have taught her something about the validity of “the blank slate”–in her bio...

    ...instead she chose to be a mouthpiece for the establishment’s minoritarian/globalist/anti-nationalist bromides. Actually it’s most ludicruous “blank slate”–“race does not exist”, “sex does not exist”–ideological nonsense. (It’s economic globalism is nasty, but less obvious ludicrous.) She gets these nice little pat-on-the-back awards and accoldates which apparently are catnip to gals self-esteem. But the whole march of genetics is going to be debunking her work more and more each year. And the powers that be will inevitably move on to some new (younger, fresher) mouthpiece capable of massaging the science to soothe the discomforting message more subtlely and without the laughable debunked ouevre behind her.
     

    I don't disagree with the bulk of what you say, but Angela Saini is married, to a BBC journalist with a London School of Economics degree, and, as Mr. Sailer mentioned, has a child. As he is also a fellow 2nd gen. Indian immigrant to Britain, it is reasonable to surmise that the usual Asian/Indian family pressures to marry "a suitable boy" were operative.

    Unlike the poor, misguided disoriented native born gender studies products of our halls of academe who often lose their way in the dry desert of second wave feminist lifestyles, for immigrant "intellectuals", especially from very traditional cultures such as India, the SJW activism is usually only a way of extracting a livelihood from the cultures they find themselves immersed in. It is not a way of life.

    I wouldn't at all be surprised at all if Ms. Saini actually has a rich and fulfilling family life with her extended family and clan, complete with uncles, aunts, cousins, nephews and nieces, as is the case with many immigrant families.

    Replies: @Kronos, @AnotherDad

    , @Rosie
    @AnotherDad


    And if she’d had the good sense and rope in a white husband,
     
    WTF?

    Replies: @Kronos

  209. @Jack D
    @Sean

    Evolution makes a lot more sense if you understand that it often starts with very small founding populations, even individuals. It's hard to imagine how a whole race can transform itself from black to white or from the Bantu body type to the long limbed Niliotes, but you can pretty easily one individual being born with freakishly pale skin or long and skinny limbs and then his similarly equipped descendants having a survival advantage in that particular climate. Interbreeding among cousins and uncles would be the norm anyway. Eventually those tribes (extended families) who have the advantageous adaptation displace those who don't have the advantage.

    Replies: @Sean

    It’s hard to imagine how a whole race can transform itself from black to white or from the Bantu body type to the long limbed Niliotes, but you can pretty easily one individual being born with freakishly pale skin or long and skinny limbs and then his similarly equipped descendants having a survival advantage in that particular climate.

    Turtles all the way down, eh? I am not an anti-adaptationist myself. And if “evolution makes a lot more sense if you understand that it often starts with very small founding populations, even individuals” then how do we know the current population is adapted at all and what you are calling evolution could just be founder effect and then why would any two populations differ in intelligence. Unless intelligence is just a spandrel.

  210. “Sure, as the world become more technological and you need to be able to read an operators manual just to drive a tractor (which now has GPS and other digital connections) people with no high school don’t find their services much in demand.”

    Yeah tough luck for those crackers that the globalist elites sold them out and shipped all the jobs away. But hey, learn to code, goy!

    And guess what? Ol’ Billie Bob does just fine driving that fancy tractor machine, you pompous ass.

  211. Make it go away? You mean like with bleach?
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/empire-star-jussie-smollett-sells-l-a-mansion-for-30-000-loss/ar-AAF5a66
    Smollett sold LA property at thirty thousand dollar loss, it wasn’t publicly listed but the sale was closed on July 15, and he’s still looking at bills from the city of Chicago.

  212. Angela Saini is very enthusiastic about India’s ITs Engineering Faculties and Graduate-Undergraduate Student Bodies remaining…..100 percent Hindu-Sihk…..Does anybody here know why Angela Saini feels this way?

  213. OT: Interesting college scam: Rich Parents Are Giving Up Custody of Their Kids to Get Need-Based College Financial Aid

    https://www.propublica.org/article/university-of-illinois-financial-aid-fafsa-parents-guardianship-children-students

  214. @Cagey Beast
    You HBD guys had a freak-out the last time I said this but you're all going to have to deal with the fact that "feelings don't care about your facts", as Richard Spencer said in response to Ben Shapiro's catchphrase. You guys can have all the data you want but you'll still have to deal with two things:

    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.

    2) To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What's even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their "noble lie"*?

    On the second point, I myself think we're going to end up divorcing the more vibrant metropolitan regions from the rest of our countries but that doesn't help HBD'ers clear that public relations hurdle. It still means the people now in power, who would see themselves inhabiting the hypothetical city states, still have to imagine how they'd govern their vibrant fellow citizens once your HBD cat is out of the bag.

    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements. I know saying so is just throwing red meat to all the keyboard bad-asses but someone has to. Someone has to act like we actually have to figure out how to responsibly govern our countries. We can't all be like Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump. Some of us have to be the adults in the room.

    * It's funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato's Republic.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lucas McCrudy, @Justvisiting, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @Whiskey, @Kronos, @advancedatheist, @Rosie

    It’s funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato’s Republic.

    Today’s diversitarian college students no longer have to read Plato’s works, much less the writings of the other really smart guys in the Western Canon, because the dwindling population of white or Jewish professors realize that their nonwhite students’ coarse and animalistic minds can’t process the unfamiliar words and difficult syntax that these white men used to express their thoughts about the human condition.

    Ironically some people on the right attribute this trend to “Cultural Marxism.” But Karl Marx grew up classically educated. He wrote his doctoral thesis on the philosophy of Greek Atomism, and reportedly as an adult he would read Aeschylus’ tragedies in their original Greek for pleasure. And he could quote extensively from the works of Dante, Shakespeare and Goethe. By today’s academic standards Marx’s kind of cultivation would make him too “white” for respectability.

  215. @SimpleSong
    It's so tiresome to listen to everyone screech about the lessons of history, when they in fact mean the lessons of 1939 to 1945. No other time existed apparently, the only mistakes that can be made were the types of mistakes made 1939 to 1945, no other era matters, really. I don't know how the Germans can stand it since their recorded history reaches back to at least Tacitus but everyone boils them down to 6 years.

    No serious person ever fails to learn the lessons of history, but lots of serious people overlearn the lessons of history. Doubly so if it was recent history, and triply so if, despite some mistakes your side came out on top.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon, @AnotherDad

    It’s so tiresome to listen to everyone screech about the lessons of history, when they in fact mean the lessons of 1939 to 1945. No other time existed apparently, the only mistakes that can be made were the types of mistakes made 1939 to 1945, no other era matters, really. I don’t know how the Germans can stand it since their recorded history reaches back to at least Tacitus but everyone boils them down to 6 years.

    It’s much worse than that. These folks have either:
    a) charitably, grabbed onto only one event from the War–the Holocaust–to draw lessons from
    or
    b) uncharitably, completely inverted the actual lessons.

    As i’ve pointed out before rather than “nationalism”, what the war was about was German and Japanese imperialism. Basically driven by fact that these higly competent but late rising nations were locked out of the imperialist division of the world by the British and French and to a lesser extent the Americans, Dutch, Belgians, etc. They were trying to rearrange the existing imperialist order with themselves on top.

    The war propaganda was essentially “nations of the world united against these evil axis bastards pushing other nations around”.

    And the post-War consensus was … yeah, imperialism is bad. People–i.e. various nations–really ought to be running their own affairs. The winners, out of some combination of embarassment and for the Europeans financial constraint started de-colonizing. Indonesia, Philippines, Lebanon, Syria, Burma, India, Ceylon were all independent and the Jews got their own national state immediately or within a few years of the War. Nationalism was the ideology of the day and most of the rest of the old empires were independent nations within a generation. (Some easy, some hard.) The Soviet Union hanging onto it’s conquests in Eastern Europe was the big outlier. With, of course, both the Soviets and the U.S. messing quite a bit in nation’s affairs around the world during their Cold War contest. But bottom line, there was a world consensus that nations should be governed by their own people.

    This minoritarian ideology, where the problem with the War was “nationalism”, the critical event was “the Holocaust” and the “lesson” is we have to make sure minorities never feel uncomfortable and majorities are never allowed to govern their own nations and everyone should obey globo-homo is a revisionist–and nasty, cancerous–interpretation. Not exactly, but close to the exact opposite of what the War was really about and what it should have taught us.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I dunno - Hitler called it National Socialism, not Imperial Socialism. He didn't really seem interested in colonies - he just wanted to kill everyone in Europe and replace them with Germans.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Whiskey, @AnotherDad

    , @Kronos
    @AnotherDad

    https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/condemned

  216. @Jack D
    @Kylie

    What's worse is that no one dares call them on their bullshit - if you do, you're automatically a racist/sexist. Usually bullshitters get stopped at some point by the Peter Principle but that system has broken down so women of color keep rising higher and higher, way past their level of incompetence. The only consolation is that such unchecked parasites eventually kill their host - this is OK if the host is some studiez department or glossy magazine but when they start to kill off institutions that are vital to the functioning of society then the shit gets real.

    Replies: @bomag

    The only consolation is that such unchecked parasites eventually kill their host – this is OK if the host is some studiez department or glossy magazine but when they start to kill off institutions that are vital to the functioning of society then the shit gets real.

    Spot on.

    When encountering a WOC in some official capacity, I always figured there was a work-around for the important things.

    Now, I’m seeing things just not getting done.

  217. The wages of sex surrealism.

  218. @Rex Banner
    Off-topic...

    Becoming Full Professor While Black
    By Marlene L. Daut JULY 28, 2019

    After I received word of my promotion to full professor this past June — a day after my 39th birthday — I decided to text my friends rather than post the news on Twitter. One of them asked how I was celebrating. I told her that I wasn’t yet. Instead I was making a list of all the people who had tried to destroy my career.

    "Wow, that’s heavy," she said. It was.

     

    https://www.chronicle.com/article/Becoming-Full-Professor-While/246743

    Replies: @El Dato, @bomag, @Barnard, @More R1b, Less H1B

    That article is pure-strain addled black narcissism. She touts her herculean efforts, like taking a summer class that wasn’t required (how did her Black Body manage such feats?!) Meanwhile, every time her latest gub’mint grant didn’t get a write-up in the latest libarts spam email, it was racially motivated violence. One would think Pete Buttigieg left the glory hole long enough to ride a white horse up and down South Bend, lashing grad students with a whip and shouting “Reparations are coming, darkies- FROM YOU!”

    From the outside, being a mother probably seemed like the greatest challenge on my path to full professor … In fact, the biggest obstacle was actually race.

    LOL, this coming from somebody who fell into two tenure-track positions in a row right out of an English Ph.D., washing out of the first one- and up to Virginia.

    Universities are desperate to graduate Black Bodies, and humanities departments go out of their way to make it easy for sacred Black Bodies to matriculate. Usually this comes in the form of a very lightly supervised, even hands-off, dissertation. Even the most pink-haired commie bulldyke in the Homosex Studies program knows it, because they sit in the grad lounge and poke through theses on nappy hair and rap lyrics in between treatments of Ivanhoe and Hegel. Anyone who’s spent significant time in academia knows instinctively that a doctoral committee isn’t going to spend much effort on Why Amerikkka is Actually Haitian when the candidate is guaranteed to fart her way into an African Studies program and a pension. (The esteemed Professor seems to have mastered the basics of English capitalization, marking her as a first-round pick in the Diversity Draft; if anything, Virginia is wisely poaching her as a future dean.)

  219. @AnotherDad
    @SimpleSong


    It’s so tiresome to listen to everyone screech about the lessons of history, when they in fact mean the lessons of 1939 to 1945. No other time existed apparently, the only mistakes that can be made were the types of mistakes made 1939 to 1945, no other era matters, really. I don’t know how the Germans can stand it since their recorded history reaches back to at least Tacitus but everyone boils them down to 6 years.
     
    It's much worse than that. These folks have either:
    a) charitably, grabbed onto only one event from the War--the Holocaust--to draw lessons from
    or
    b) uncharitably, completely inverted the actual lessons.

    As i've pointed out before rather than "nationalism", what the war was about was German and Japanese imperialism. Basically driven by fact that these higly competent but late rising nations were locked out of the imperialist division of the world by the British and French and to a lesser extent the Americans, Dutch, Belgians, etc. They were trying to rearrange the existing imperialist order with themselves on top.

    The war propaganda was essentially "nations of the world united against these evil axis bastards pushing other nations around".

    And the post-War consensus was ... yeah, imperialism is bad. People--i.e. various nations--really ought to be running their own affairs. The winners, out of some combination of embarassment and for the Europeans financial constraint started de-colonizing. Indonesia, Philippines, Lebanon, Syria, Burma, India, Ceylon were all independent and the Jews got their own national state immediately or within a few years of the War. Nationalism was the ideology of the day and most of the rest of the old empires were independent nations within a generation. (Some easy, some hard.) The Soviet Union hanging onto it's conquests in Eastern Europe was the big outlier. With, of course, both the Soviets and the U.S. messing quite a bit in nation's affairs around the world during their Cold War contest. But bottom line, there was a world consensus that nations should be governed by their own people.

    This minoritarian ideology, where the problem with the War was "nationalism", the critical event was "the Holocaust" and the "lesson" is we have to make sure minorities never feel uncomfortable and majorities are never allowed to govern their own nations and everyone should obey globo-homo is a revisionist--and nasty, cancerous--interpretation. Not exactly, but close to the exact opposite of what the War was really about and what it should have taught us.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Kronos

    I dunno – Hitler called it National Socialism, not Imperial Socialism. He didn’t really seem interested in colonies – he just wanted to kill everyone in Europe and replace them with Germans.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    So you see nothing colonialist in his plans for eastern Europe and his occupation of Europe.

    , @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    >no imperial imagery or terminology
    >in the Third Reich

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    @Jack D

    BS analysis as usual.

    , @Whiskey
    @Jack D

    Hitler wanted vast slave colonies in Poland, Ukraine and Russia. This turning even the Ukrainian s anti nazi.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    I dunno – Hitler called it National Socialism, not Imperial Socialism. He didn’t really seem interested in colonies – he just wanted to kill everyone in Europe and replace them with Germans.
     
    First, off--and i have zero love for Hitler, whose done more damage to Western civ than anyone--but as a simple historical fact, "just wanted to kill everyone in Europe" is nonsense. If it was so then Hitler was pretty darn incompetent! Didn't even really give it a good go. Hitler had a real issue with communists and Jews and in the process killed a lot of Poles. But if his goal was "kill everyone in Europe" he sure didn't try very hard.

    But beyond that you're just giving the same old tired Jewish propaganda, obfuscation, lying:
    nationalist==Hitler==killing Jews==genocide.
    Granted you guys have market share for this nonsense--"hey this is why you goyim can't have your nation!"--but it's still a big lie.

    Let me cut this Gordian knot for you with my goyishe kopf:

    Hitler was a German nationalist and a German imperialist. But it's the imperialist part--invading other people's nations, messsing with them, killing them that earned him the world's approbation.

    What the British went to war over, and later what ordinary people--not commies--in many different nation fought against and why they called it "liberation" was Germans taking over other people's nations or their nation and bossing them around.

    Bottom line: Hitler didn't respect other people's borders. But that has not very much to do with nationalism per se. (You can find not respecting borders on the pages of WSJ, in the Forward, in any Democratic party candidate debate.) Nations often have territorial disputes--but so do empires. I'm a big American nationalist but i'm not eyeing big chunks of Mexico or Canada.

    Other well known nationalists: George Washington, Gandhi, Nehru, Sun Yat-Sen, Chiang-Kai Shek, Charles de Gaul, Tito (sort of). This group wouldn't much want Hitler as a member.

    Pretty easy to come up with counter-factual hyper-nationalist, but not imperialist Hitler.
    -- Repudiates Versailles
    -- Rebuilds German armed forces, especially Luftwaffe
    -- National reconstruction.
    -- Puts the commies in camps.
    -- Declares Germans are one people and the nation is only for Germans. Jews must leave or Germanify. Confiscates property of leavers. Closes synagogues. Gypsies kicked out.
    -- Anschluss with Austria
    -- Retakes the Sudentenland ... but does not invade the rest of Czechslovakia
    -- Demands Danzig as German territory and negoitated rail access across the Polish corridor, in return for guaranteed Polish access to Danzig ports. But no attempt to abolish Polish corridor.
    -- Supports decolonization of all nations.
    -- Demands right of all nations--including imperial colonies--to trade freely with Germany.
    (Which happens to be the US position and post-war system.)
    -- Supports independence movements/rebellions in colonized nations.

    Result ... who knows? I'm sure the Jews would throw all invective at this hyper-nationalist Hitler for not loving commies and Jews. But the world would not be buying. You can sorta guess if you asked an American high school or college student today about him, that it would be "Hitler? Who's that?" Unless it worked out pretty well and then the A students would say "Oh he's the German guy who pushed and set in motion decolonization."

    Nationalism--people running their own nations behind secure borders--is not the problem, but the solution. At least once you have agreed upon borders. Imperialism--demanding entrance to or the right to mess with other people's nations--is the problem.

    Replies: @Jack D

  220. Ms. Saini:

    > To state even the undeniable fact that we are one human species today means falling afoul of a cabal of conspiracy theorists.

    This is an example of rebutting the worst argument that your opponent puts forth, rather than the best. Sadly, this is par for the course, and both sides are guilty of it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @megabar

    Bothsidesism is how we got in this mess. Time to pull your head out of your ass and pay closer attention. You’ve been played, and often.

    Replies: @megabar

    , @ben tillman
    @megabar


    > To state even the undeniable fact that we are one human species today means falling afoul of a cabal of conspiracy theorists.

    This is an example of rebutting the worst argument that your opponent puts forth, rather than the best. Sadly, this is par for the course, and both sides are guilty of it.
     
    Who says it's a bad argument? The decision of where to draw the line is a judgment call. It's subjective.

    Replies: @megabar

  221. @Hippopotamusdrome
    I for one welcome our new Indian overlords
    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51z7ycEJHvL._SY291_BO1,204,203,200_QL40_.jpg

    Replies: @Kronos, @El Dato, @Mr. Anon, @a commenter

    Like steve’s rule of female journalism – every ethnic activist screaming about ‘racism’ is really trying to advance their own race’s power. Classic in-group out-group strategy.

    It does seem odd but Indian SJW seem to have a particularly nasty and vicious streak in them.. i never thought I would say this but they seem even more hateful then SJW jews.

  222. @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1156018116926689281

    Why Is What Was Once-Affordable-To-Many Now Only-Affordable-To-The-Wealthy?

    The decline in the value of conventional labor and purchasing power is visible in this chart of labor's share of the national income.

    https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/worker-share2-19a_5.jpg

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @Bill Jones

    Why should anybody pay any heed to the views of natives of a country where not shitting in the street puts you in the top half of society?

  223. @The Wild Geese Howard
    OT:

    Coalition of the Fringes Conflict in the UK:

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/07/29/khans-london-police-investigating-after-niqab-woman-filmed-abusing-gay-pride-march/

    Muslima vs. Gay...who will be the ultimate winner!?!!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Bill Jones

    My money is on the throwers from the rooftop rather than the throwees.

  224. OT: Germany: Boy dies after being pushed in front of train

    From Deutsche Welle:

    Germany’s Interior Minister, Horst Seehofer, cut his vacation short due to the incident and was due to address the public on Tuesday. He is set to meet Germany’s top security chiefs and discuss “[s]everal serious crimes during recent time.”

    Seehofer urges caution

    On Monday, Seehofer pledged that the attacker would be “called to account with all means of the rule of law.” However, the minister also warned against drawing premature conclusions about the Frankfurt attack, after his ministry shared that the attacker was an Eritrean citizen.

    Malls, train stations, America, Germany, it’s all good. Let’s be cautious about blaming those who murder our children. We wouldn’t want to upset anybody. They might hurt us.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Chancelloress Merkel has released a statement slamming those who have publicized this train story ("far-right extremists with hatred for immigrants in their hearts"), and asserting that Diversity is Germany's Strength.

    Fact or fiction?

    Replies: @eah, @bomag

    , @eah
    @Buzz Mohawk

    For your personal info:

    Germany’s Interior Minister, Horst Seehofer, cut his vacation short due to the incident and was due to address the public on Tuesday.

    Nobody gives a shit what this beta cuck has to say -- his Spitzname is 'Drehhofer' because the German verb drehen means to spin or turn: he changes his position on issues a lot -- he's one of the least respected/most despised politicians, now inextricably bound to Merkel's idiotic Flüchtlingspolitk -- after a relatively poor showing by the CSU in Bavarian elections last Fall, he resigned as Parteivorsitzender of the CSU -- he will disappear from politics entirely latest when Merkel is gone.

  225. @Lot
    Man wins gold medal in women’s weightlifting, set to sweep 2020 olympics!

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-weightlifting-newzealand-hubbard/weightlifter-hubbard-becomes-lightning-rod-for-criticism-of-transgender-policy-idUSKCN1UP0F0

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Some sense in the last para of your linked article

    ““I really don’t think he – she – should ever participate in this (tournament), but I realize we have to (be) inclusive and we cannot exclude these people,” Samoan Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sailele Malielegaoi told Reuters of Hubbard’s participation at the Pacific Games.

    “They ought to participate in these Games in their own category.” ”

  226. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I dunno - Hitler called it National Socialism, not Imperial Socialism. He didn't really seem interested in colonies - he just wanted to kill everyone in Europe and replace them with Germans.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Whiskey, @AnotherDad

    So you see nothing colonialist in his plans for eastern Europe and his occupation of Europe.

  227. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I dunno - Hitler called it National Socialism, not Imperial Socialism. He didn't really seem interested in colonies - he just wanted to kill everyone in Europe and replace them with Germans.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Whiskey, @AnotherDad

    >no imperial imagery or terminology
    >in the Third Reich

  228. OT

    Apparently this self-hating white bitch had to resign to make way for more diversity, ie basically because she’s white — yet looking at her current Twitter timeline, she retweeted a bunch of happy tweets about how a congressional district near Houston, TX is rapidly becoming less white — and her Twitter masthead is an image of her talking to homosexual Anderson Cooper — alas even that wasn’t enough to save her job.

    My statement on stepping down from my post at the @dccc today:

  229. @Lot
    “cabal of conspiracy theorists”

    :)

    Replies: @Hail, @J.Ross

    Trope!

  230. @Buzz Mohawk
    OT: Germany: Boy dies after being pushed in front of train

    From Deutsche Welle:

    ...

    Germany's Interior Minister, Horst Seehofer, cut his vacation short due to the incident and was due to address the public on Tuesday. He is set to meet Germany's top security chiefs and discuss "[s]everal serious crimes during recent time."

    Seehofer urges caution

    On Monday, Seehofer pledged that the attacker would be "called to account with all means of the rule of law." However, the minister also warned against drawing premature conclusions about the Frankfurt attack, after his ministry shared that the attacker was an Eritrean citizen.

    ...
     

    Malls, train stations, America, Germany, it's all good. Let's be cautious about blaming those who murder our children. We wouldn't want to upset anybody. They might hurt us.

    Replies: @Hail, @eah

    Chancelloress Merkel has released a statement slamming those who have publicized this train story (“far-right extremists with hatred for immigrants in their hearts”), and asserting that Diversity is Germany’s Strength.

    Fact or fiction?

    • Replies: @eah
    @Hail

    I am not aware of any statement; I think Merkel is officially on vacation now -- but what you describe is the general nature of the 'frontlash' in Germany after one of these Einzelfälle (isolated incidents, which tend to add up over time, as many have noticed).

    https://twitter.com/patrick_enting/status/1155795186821271553

    , @bomag
    @Hail

    Certainly true in spirit.

  231. @megabar
    Ms. Saini:

    > To state even the undeniable fact that we are one human species today means falling afoul of a cabal of conspiracy theorists.

    This is an example of rebutting the worst argument that your opponent puts forth, rather than the best. Sadly, this is par for the course, and both sides are guilty of it.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @ben tillman

    Bothsidesism is how we got in this mess. Time to pull your head out of your ass and pay closer attention. You’ve been played, and often.

    • Replies: @megabar
    @Desiderius

    > Bothsidesism is how we got in this mess. Time to pull your head out of your ass and pay closer attention. You’ve been played, and often.

    I'll restate: Rebutting a stupid version of your opponent's argument is ineffective. If you want to convince people -- and yes, some people are open to being convinced -- then you should attack the best argument they have, and not the worst.

    Put another way, if you think Saini sounds dumb here -- and she does -- then think carefully about the arguments you make to people, and do your best to address the best version of their argument.

    This has nothing at all to do with which side has more merit, and so your comment is a whiff.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  232. @Buzz Mohawk
    OT: Germany: Boy dies after being pushed in front of train

    From Deutsche Welle:

    ...

    Germany's Interior Minister, Horst Seehofer, cut his vacation short due to the incident and was due to address the public on Tuesday. He is set to meet Germany's top security chiefs and discuss "[s]everal serious crimes during recent time."

    Seehofer urges caution

    On Monday, Seehofer pledged that the attacker would be "called to account with all means of the rule of law." However, the minister also warned against drawing premature conclusions about the Frankfurt attack, after his ministry shared that the attacker was an Eritrean citizen.

    ...
     

    Malls, train stations, America, Germany, it's all good. Let's be cautious about blaming those who murder our children. We wouldn't want to upset anybody. They might hurt us.

    Replies: @Hail, @eah

    For your personal info:

    Germany’s Interior Minister, Horst Seehofer, cut his vacation short due to the incident and was due to address the public on Tuesday.

    Nobody gives a shit what this beta cuck has to say — his Spitzname is ‘Drehhofer’ because the German verb drehen means to spin or turn: he changes his position on issues a lot — he’s one of the least respected/most despised politicians, now inextricably bound to Merkel’s idiotic Flüchtlingspolitk — after a relatively poor showing by the CSU in Bavarian elections last Fall, he resigned as Parteivorsitzender of the CSU — he will disappear from politics entirely latest when Merkel is gone.

  233. @Hail
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Chancelloress Merkel has released a statement slamming those who have publicized this train story ("far-right extremists with hatred for immigrants in their hearts"), and asserting that Diversity is Germany's Strength.

    Fact or fiction?

    Replies: @eah, @bomag

    I am not aware of any statement; I think Merkel is officially on vacation now — but what you describe is the general nature of the ‘frontlash’ in Germany after one of these Einzelfälle (isolated incidents, which tend to add up over time, as many have noticed).

  234. @eah
    You should have excerpted the final passage of her screed in full:

    What has started with a gentle creep through the back door of our computers could end, if we’re not careful, with jackboots through the front door of our homes. Populism, ethnic nationalism and neo-Nazism are on the rise worldwide. If we are to prevent the mistakes of the past from happening again, we need to be more vigilant. The public must hold the Internet giants to account, recognize hatred dressed up as scholarship and learn how to marginalize it, and be assiduous in squeezing out pseudoscience from public debate. This is not a free speech issue; it’s about improving the quality and accuracy of information that people see online, and thereby creating a fairer, kinder society.
     
    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1151070958230429696

    Replies: @Erik L, @Forbes, @Ibound1, @lavoisier, @AnotherDad

    The public must hold the Internet giants to account, recognize hatred dressed up as scholarship and learn how to marginalize it, and be assiduous in squeezing out pseudoscience from public debate

    I love how the non-scientists like Angela Saini are leading the charge against pseudoscience.

    I mean, who needs a PhD in genetics to realize that there is no such thing as race?

    God bless this book burning fool, her celebration by the great and the good and being published in Nature and Scientific American should serve as a stark warning that a new dark age has descended on the Western world.

  235. @Lurker

    I interview researchers at the cutting edge of research into human difference
     
    How can there be significant numbers of people at the cutting edge of research into a phenomenon that doesn't exist?

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Bugg, @The preferred nomenclature is...

    For someone who doesn’t believe in race she sure throws the racist card around.

  236. This is exactly the bullshit the Theranos Boards That Be asked for and they deserve to get every last inch of it good and hard. They sacrificed a generation and a half of our best talent on the altar of Affirmative Action and sat idly by while the Beckys stole it right out from under the noses of the intended beneficiaries.

    Now the Becky Patel Come Latelys are starting to catch a whiff of the possibility that most of the good cons have already been run and the marks, black and white, are starting to catch on, so she’s desperately kissing every black ass she can find to avoid getting DCCC’ed.

  237. @Lot
    “cabal of conspiracy theorists”

    :)

    Replies: @Hail, @J.Ross

    Imagine if instead of seventeen Colbert clones nobody watches we had an interviewer who would check that guests knew what words meant. The underfulfilled promise of the Stewart Daily Show was exactly this.

  238. gutta percha [AKA "gp"] says:

    Saini sez it is not true that “entire nations have innately higher or lower cognitive capacities.” Somebody ask her point-blank “Does Japan have an innately higher cognitive capacity than the Congo?” Somebody ask Sci Amer editors that too.

    Saini sez it is not true that “someone’s skin color can tell you something about their IQ.” [There they go again, saying “skin color” instead of “race”.] Somebody ask her, point blank, is it not possible to IQ test a population of sub-Saharan blacks, and to IQ test a population of northern European whites, and compare the distributions? It’s been done, over and over and over. Is that “discredited” “race science” now? Somebody ask Sci Amer editors that too.

    [Saini sez bad people “are actively working to resurrect eugenics,” but WTF cares?]

    How does Saini get thru an entire day without someone confronting her with truth? What bizarre twists of logic does she have to perform to declare Japan and Congo innately equal in cognitive capacity?

    Sci Amer has been political as long as I’ve read it (since late 1960’s) but this is a whole new level of science denialism. It’s Lysenkoism, or if you prefer, Maoism-Stalinism.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @gutta percha

    "Sci Amer has been political as long as I’ve read it (since late 1960’s) but this is a whole new level of science denialism. "

    The UK's New Scientist is just as bad. Some time in the Noughties it went pear-shaped, and I stopped buying it around 2010.

    https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/new-scientists-first-female-editor-says-for-now-its-about-women-and-minorities-but-soon-it-will-be-the-first-robot-editor/


    “For my 20s, I was a very loyal foot soldier in every job I did. I wasn’t very politicised. I didn’t know anything about feminism or anything like that.”

    Wilson said she arrived at the Guardian in a very “Guardian-steeped culture as a total Daily Mail ingénue/idiot, who had no idea of the things I would say that would go down like a bucket of cold sick at the Guardian”.

    Adding: “There was a time when about, I can’t remember, six to nine people left the Mail, a little refugee boat full of people, and all went to the Guardian, and made a good home there for many years, and many are still there.

    “And someone did once stand up in conference and give a little speech [saying] ‘I think it’s disgusting that Daily Mail employees will come and work here.’”

    However, Wilson said she eventually became “very at home, and then, obviously, I spent a hundred years there. So, by the end I was part of the furniture”.

    During her time at the Guardian she said she wanted to work on general news, but “science came and found me again”..

    On her appointment as editor, she said: “Soon it will be the first robot editor and the first robot CEO, but for now, it’s about women and other kinds of minorities”.

    Wilson replaced Sumit Paul-Choudhury as editor, who stayed on the New Scientist’s strategy director.
     
  239. @Johann Ricke
    OT, but doesn't the perp of the Capital One data breach seem like a low-rent version of the bright white guy goes haywire by LARPing as a woman? It's hard to understand what goes through their minds. Guys who like guys don't get more attractive to guys after a sex change. While the pool of potential dates seems to get bigger, straight guys are repelled by transsexuals, on top of the fact that most men want kids, and transsexuals can't have them.

    Replies: @Jokah Macpherson

    It’s a made for iSteve story. Surprised no one has blogged about it yet.

  240. OT OT OT
    US residents living in Washington, DC, are drowning in the country’s highest level of mortgage debt with an average of more than $400,000 in…
    Residents living in Washington, DC, are drowning in the country’s highest level of mortgage debt with more than $400K in loans per borrower…. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7302883/US-residents-living-Washington-DC-drowning-countrys-highest-level-mortgage-debt.html

  241. @Uilleam Yr Alban
    In a recent comment section I described the Marx -> Boas -> Gould -> Lewontin etc. Endless Stream of Lies and Bullshit.

    In her opinion piece in this now-rag, Saini references both Gould and a fellow named Jonathan Marks. From Mr. Marks' Wikipedia page:

    "As described in his book Is Science Racist?, Marks considers science to have four epistemological weaknesses: naturalism, experimentalism, rationalism, and trust in its own accuracy.[2] In this book and in Why I Am Not a Scientist, he argues that anthropologists are not scientists.[2] Rather, their purpose is to interpret the intersection of science and society.[2]"

    Trust in its own accuracy aside, if Saini support her argument via reference to someone whose Chief Contributions to Science are that naturalism, experimentalism, and rationalism are weaknesses, it seems we can say we're encountering the Endless Stream of Lies and Bullshit.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @guest, @Jim Given

    Interesting. If Jonathan Marks believes these four traits characterize science, then by “science, he is talking not about actual scientific research, but about the caricature of science critiqued by philosophers of science in the era before the late 1960’s. I stopped reading such stuff when I was in high school because “philosophers of science” in that era, like Mr. Marks, have no idea what modern scientific research is like. Philosophically, it is fascinating that science can simultaneously be guilty of being “rationalist” and “experimentalist”. I have no idea what the latter term means, but suspect it is similar to Noam Chomsky’s similar bogeyman term “empiricist”. But this does not surprise me. I don’t believe that either of these terms is being used in a sense that philosophers would recognize.

    I suspect that committed Leftists simply want all “scientific research” to be oriented in its goals and conclusions by the agenda of the State. Perhaps Lysenko had the right idea, but didn’t get sufficient opportunity to prove his theories because the evil Fascist scientists got the better of him.

    As many scholars have described in detail, devout Leftism is a secular religious faith. (Igor Shafarevich and Michael Polanyi are two good examples.) But as a repressed religion, one that denies it is a religion, such Leftism cannot separate “science” from “religion”.

    Very interesting parallels can be drawn between ideologically committed Leftist science, and the sort of Fundamentalist Christian Creation science that tried to prove “scientifically”, e.g. by geological research, that the world really is only 3000 year old.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jim Given

    It's sort of shocking that Marks openly rejects science, in that most Leftists claim to embrace it - Communism itself claimed to be Scientific Socialism. There had been other utopian socialist movement in the past, but according to the Communists, these were based upon romantic and sentimental notions while Communism was backed with scientific rigor. Nowadays, Climate Change (and the measures to combat it) is said to be scientifically proven and therefore not open to debate. We have to take your car and your hamburgers away because Science.

    But it makes sense, for the reasons that you give - if science contradicts your faith and you are a True Believer, then you have no choice but to reject science because you sure as hell aren't going to give up your faith. Leftists like science when it agrees with their positions and reject it when it doesn't. Fundamentalist Christians would find a lot to agree with in Marks's critique of science, particularly his rejection of "naturalism".

    Although Saini sites Marks as a source, I think she is not claiming to reject science herself - rather she keeps shouting (with scant evidence) that "the science is settled" - that race does not exist.

  242. @Dieter Kief
    @A-Bax


    The need to belong and feel accepted by the group is VERY strong in women. It doesn’t matter what that group’s ideology is, women will believe all the more fervently BECAUSE it is the group’s ideology.
     
    I agree. Angela Saini is this prototypical woman who plays theses cards feverishly well. She is the ages old magical canary who opens The Doors for us in all their zeitgeisty glory - thus leading us to those "Weird Scenes Inside the Goldmine".

    She is the perfect guide to the collective unconsious of our times. C G Jung would have loved to detect/ and analyze her... One has to be rather curious when dealing with her kind and - - - careful because she indeed has access to powerful depths. -

    - It's hard for the rather - enginerial (= rational, cold, analytic) - mind to encounter such miraculous priestesses, who wear An Egyptian ring, who are artists, who won't look back. I can understand that; but they are here and better be handled with curiosity and - -temper than with neglection or arrogance. Jagger/Richards got this one right too: "If you meet (her, DK) have some courtesy, have some sympathy and have some taste (...) or (s)he will lay your soul to waste!"

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    I tell you this: no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.

  243. @AnotherDad
    @PiltdownMan

    Miss Saini has made a terrible life choice.

    She's blessed by nature with more facial symetric and somewhat more feminine features than most. To pump out these articles and books she clearly has the IQ and conscientiousness to have been a good mom. She could have easily snagged a quality guy back at Oxford or at King's. Yet i see no hint of a husband or children--the 2nd of which would have taught her something about the validity of "the blank slate"--in her bio. She could now have her third or fourth child potty trained and spending a few hours in pre-school and be doing either the Brit equivalent of PTA stuff or be working from home ramping back up on freelance work. And if she'd had the good sense and rope in a white husband, those kids would have the nice mixed tones--e.g. Meridith Kercher--probably given, Miss Saini's looks, quite cute.

    Instead she chose to be a mouthpiece for the establishment's minoritarian/globalist/anti-nationalist bromides. Actually it's most ludicruous "blank slate"--"race does not exist", "sex does not exist"--ideological nonsense. (It's economic globalism is nasty, but less obvious ludicrous.) She gets these nice little pat-on-the-back awards and accoldates which apparently are catnip to gals self-esteem. But the whole march of genetics is going to be debunking her work more and more each year. And the powers that be will inevitably move on to some new (younger, fresher) mouthpiece capable of massaging the science to soothe the discomforting message more subtlely and without the laughable debunked ouevre behind her. In a few years, the looks are gone, the accolades are fading ... "here kitty, here kitty".

    Miss Saini has traded the *real* and *important* and deeply *rewarding* job of motherhood, for a few bucks and a bunch of "you go girl" awards from the PC hothouse.

    There is no end to the destruction wrought by minoritarianism/feminism/progressivism. The kool-aid that kills.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Rosie

    … She could have easily snagged a quality guy back at Oxford or at King’s. Yet i see no hint of a husband or children–the 2nd of which would have taught her something about the validity of “the blank slate”–in her bio…

    …instead she chose to be a mouthpiece for the establishment’s minoritarian/globalist/anti-nationalist bromides. Actually it’s most ludicruous “blank slate”–“race does not exist”, “sex does not exist”–ideological nonsense. (It’s economic globalism is nasty, but less obvious ludicrous.) She gets these nice little pat-on-the-back awards and accoldates which apparently are catnip to gals self-esteem. But the whole march of genetics is going to be debunking her work more and more each year. And the powers that be will inevitably move on to some new (younger, fresher) mouthpiece capable of massaging the science to soothe the discomforting message more subtlely and without the laughable debunked ouevre behind her.

    I don’t disagree with the bulk of what you say, but Angela Saini is married, to a BBC journalist with a London School of Economics degree, and, as Mr. Sailer mentioned, has a child. As he is also a fellow 2nd gen. Indian immigrant to Britain, it is reasonable to surmise that the usual Asian/Indian family pressures to marry “a suitable boy” were operative.

    Unlike the poor, misguided disoriented native born gender studies products of our halls of academe who often lose their way in the dry desert of second wave feminist lifestyles, for immigrant “intellectuals”, especially from very traditional cultures such as India, the SJW activism is usually only a way of extracting a livelihood from the cultures they find themselves immersed in. It is not a way of life.

    I wouldn’t at all be surprised at all if Ms. Saini actually has a rich and fulfilling family life with her extended family and clan, complete with uncles, aunts, cousins, nephews and nieces, as is the case with many immigrant families.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @PiltdownMan

    I’m curious, any idea what the gender skew is between male/female SJW careerism? I assume it’s MUCH more heavily female than male. 60/40? 80/20?

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @AnotherDad
    @PiltdownMan

    Thanks for the info Piltdown, i stand--or as the case may be, slump in my recliner here--corrected.

    I didn't do any kind of thorough search but i read the wikipedia article and her bio on her website and saw no reference to marriage or family.

    It's interesting that she makes absolutely no reference to marriage or--even more so--having a child on her own site. But i guess that's part of "i am woman here me roar" feminism. It's my awesome brilliance as an author that shines so bright. Boring old being a mom is nothing to note.

    Anyway, i think she's fortunate. She's got something real going on in her life that will still be there, when she figures out--and/or the world figues out and loses interest in--her writing is bullshit.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  244. @eah
    @Redneck farmer

    I don't post this kind of info (which I do occasionally; and BTW, I put the Coulter tweet here because Mr Sailer retweeted it) in order to, or just to, lampoon people who would say it has nothing to do with immigration -- this issue is much bigger and much more important than that.

    US Treasury Now Expects To Borrow Over $800 Billion In Debt In Two Quarters

    In other words, the Treasury will sell $814 billion in debt in the current and future quarter... and it will only gets worse from there.

    The 'baby boomer' retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially -- combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration -- downward pressure on living standards will only increase.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Scientific Armenian, @Redneck farmer, @ben tillman

    The ‘baby boomer’ retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially — combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration — downward pressure on living standards will only increase.

    It doesn’t affect the anti-immigration agenda at all except to make it more urgent.

    • Replies: @eah
    @ben tillman

    You'll have trouble convincing anyone in the Establishment or any "normie" of that, since two things are vital to keeping the USD Ponzi/pretense going (while piling up mountains of amoral, unpayable inter-generational debt): an ever-growing number of taxpaying suckers workers, and enormous military spending to sustain US political and military hegemony -- there is no other way to maintain the USD as "the world's reserve currency" -- see, the current, err, wisdom, is that even though we're making a loss on a huge fraction of brown immigrants, we'll import more and make it up in volume.

    Personally, I'm a WN and not at all a "normie" -- so I would cancel the existing amoral and unpayable inter-generational national debt; get rid of the Federal Reserve and start issuing dollar bills and not dollar bonds (see Thomas Edison on this subject); close the border and revert back to something closer to America 1.0 by kicking out non-citizens and probably also large numbers of recently minted citizens of America 2.0 -- but that's just me.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  245. To pump out these articles and books she clearly has the IQ and conscientiousness to have been a good mom.

    Huh?

    Where is the intelligence in any of this work?

    Just a light reading presented here suggests high-level foolishness, malice, and dishonesty.

    Poor qualities in a mate.

  246. @Realist
    @Bobd


    – Written By Maybe Nazi Bob Dylan
     
    He's probably not a Nazi...he is Jewish.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @ben tillman

    That’s the joke.

  247. @megabar
    Ms. Saini:

    > To state even the undeniable fact that we are one human species today means falling afoul of a cabal of conspiracy theorists.

    This is an example of rebutting the worst argument that your opponent puts forth, rather than the best. Sadly, this is par for the course, and both sides are guilty of it.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @ben tillman

    > To state even the undeniable fact that we are one human species today means falling afoul of a cabal of conspiracy theorists.

    This is an example of rebutting the worst argument that your opponent puts forth, rather than the best. Sadly, this is par for the course, and both sides are guilty of it.

    Who says it’s a bad argument? The decision of where to draw the line is a judgment call. It’s subjective.

    • Replies: @megabar
    @ben tillman

    > Who says it’s a bad argument? The decision of where to draw the line is a judgment call. It’s subjective.

    Well, I think it's a bad argument. Calling all people one species is entirely defensible, in the sense that we can easily interbreed. Furthermore, taxonomy doesn't particularly recommend any action, and arguing that we're different species is needlessly inflammatory, for little gain.

    A more compelling argument sticks to outcomes. If in fact the group differences are genetic -- and there is good reason to believe that they are -- then trying to create a cohesive society from different groups is doomed to fail.

  248. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:

    Why so many posts about this rando?

  249. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I dunno - Hitler called it National Socialism, not Imperial Socialism. He didn't really seem interested in colonies - he just wanted to kill everyone in Europe and replace them with Germans.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Whiskey, @AnotherDad

    BS analysis as usual.

  250. Anonymous[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Problem of Prog-nostics.

    1. Progs say, Despite 100,00os of years of divergences among races, all people are the same around the world. Even though evolution is about divergences due to different environmental pressures that change separate(d) groups differently, all races are more-or-less the same and interchangeable… so say the progs.

    Now, evolution only makes sense in terms of divergences, and divergences mean the emergence of differences. Otherwise, there could be no new races that may eventually turn into new species.
    If, after many many yrs of evolution, the divergent organisms are still the same, then what is the point of evolution? Equal-evolution or ‘equalution’ is as ridiculous as Creationism. Why evolve away from others to end up the same? If two people walk away from each other, the distance between them grows. Only an idiot says the distance is the same no matter how farther apart they walk from one another. Despite obvious genetic differences resulting from spatial and temporal distances, we are to believe no such differences exist or they’re trivial at best.

    2. But let’s take Progs at their word and believe that, despite 100,000s of evolution, all races turned out more or less the same. We would have to believe that evolution is of no use. Apparently, the very first instance that humans became ‘homo sapien'(250,000 yrs ago?), NOTHING about them changed through all those years over the countless eons. So, the current human is hardly different from the first official homo sapien because evolution doesn’t change people at all except in the most trivial ways.

    Okay, so evolution is useless, and people are people wherever they may be. Since evolution is useless and nothing ever changes no matter what, nothing ‘better’ can arise from the movement and mixing of peoples. After all, people are just people wherever and whatever no matter all the migrations, invasions, separations, invasions, and etc through prehistory and history.

    But the very progs who insist that 100,000s yrs of evolution hardly made a difference also say that we must push for mass migration and mass mixing to improve humanity.

    Eh???

    So, 100,000s of evolution hardly made a dent in humanity and people everywhere are the same, BUT somehow new better and improved humans will arise from new migrations and mixings. If significant genetic changes never happened even after 100,000s of evolution and if humans are the same everywhere no matter what, how can Better Humans arise from the mixing of peoples who, no matter what, always remain the same?

    This is all just bogus pseudo-science to justify non-whites moving to white lands. It’s to justify Jews securing their hold on white lands by suppressing white identity and consciousness.

    1. By saying all races are the same, non-whites try to allay white fears that a ‘different race’ is taking over white lands. Oh no, the newcomers are the same as whites except for skin color. Also, whites are denounced as ‘racist’ for noticing differences. This argument says whites should welcome non-whites because both groups are totally the same.

    2. By saying whites need to be improved by infusion of new genetic material and race-mixing, non-whites pretend they are doing a favor to lame white-bread whites by bringing over vibrant genes to spice up dull whiteness. But this view contradicts the first view that says all races are the same. If all races are the same, why would whites need to be improved by ‘vibrant’ genes?

    If 1 and 2 have anything in common, both are confidence tricks to gain entry into the white world.
    “We should be allowed into white lands because we are same as you whites in every way” and “We should be allowed into white lands because we bring diverse and vibrant genes so lacking among you lamo whites” are total contradictions on the surface but absolutely consistent underneath in that they both serve to justify non-white colonization of white lands. That’s what the likes of Saini and her Jewish enablers are really about.

    It’s like RASHOMON. The accounts contradict one another on the surface in terms of what happened. But each person is telling the same story of ego-self-justification.

    The likes of Saini and Nassim pretend to be about science but they are really about ethno-science. Saini is just a charlatan, but Nassim should know better, but ethno-pride/resentment overrides everything with these people.

  251. @Hail
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Chancelloress Merkel has released a statement slamming those who have publicized this train story ("far-right extremists with hatred for immigrants in their hearts"), and asserting that Diversity is Germany's Strength.

    Fact or fiction?

    Replies: @eah, @bomag

    Certainly true in spirit.

  252. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I dunno - Hitler called it National Socialism, not Imperial Socialism. He didn't really seem interested in colonies - he just wanted to kill everyone in Europe and replace them with Germans.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Whiskey, @AnotherDad

    Hitler wanted vast slave colonies in Poland, Ukraine and Russia. This turning even the Ukrainian s anti nazi.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Whiskey

    In his history of Nazi Germany, Joseph Bendersky claimed that the Poles benefited from a split in the the Nazi Party hierarchy. While all of the Party brass agreed on killing off all the Poles, one wing wanted to kill them immediately, while the other wing wanted to gradually work them to death. The War ended before the Party hierarchy could come to a decision.

  253. @Desiderius
    @megabar

    Bothsidesism is how we got in this mess. Time to pull your head out of your ass and pay closer attention. You’ve been played, and often.

    Replies: @megabar

    > Bothsidesism is how we got in this mess. Time to pull your head out of your ass and pay closer attention. You’ve been played, and often.

    I’ll restate: Rebutting a stupid version of your opponent’s argument is ineffective. If you want to convince people — and yes, some people are open to being convinced — then you should attack the best argument they have, and not the worst.

    Put another way, if you think Saini sounds dumb here — and she does — then think carefully about the arguments you make to people, and do your best to address the best version of their argument.

    This has nothing at all to do with which side has more merit, and so your comment is a whiff.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @megabar

    Our side doesn’t just have more merit, it has all the merit and then some, because the other has less than none. Yet here you sit on your pathetic high horse trying to split the difference and find fault with both sides.

    It is the determination of our erstwhile leaders to always sit in exactly that judgement seat that is the proximate cause of such inanity as this article. She knows that no matter how ridiculous her article is that you’ll not only take it seriously but will also make up random failings on the other side to preserve your precious impartiality.

    Thus do you get played like a fiddle and ensure the rest of us have to suffer through more interminable bullshit.

    Replies: @megabar

  254. @Anonymous
    @SimpleSong

    And I'm still not sure what those lessons are.

    "Government should be minimal"

    "Don't let bureaucrats and their petty bureaucratic schemes take control of your life"

    "If two socialisms fight each other, the most slavic one wins"

    "Don't make the white kids angry"

    "You can't build on bullshit"

    "This has happened before and it will happen again"

    "Industrialization is a great accelerator of very bad plans"

    "If you think it's over, someone comes up with a Morgenthau plan"

    "Conformism is destructive"

    "Kill all psychopaths before they kill you; delay isn't worth it"

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    The big lesson is, “If Hitler shows up again, don’t appease him”.

  255. anon[385] • Disclaimer says:

    “Her entire worldview and the activism she’s doing (and this is activism) springs from the fact that she is a foreigner in someone else’s country and she knows it.”

    She’s Indian, too – right? It probably damages her ego to exist in a country among a people who are obviously genetically superior to her own lineage, physically and mentally. A lot of this comes from envy. She wishes she could be us, but since she can’t, she and her other envious POCs try to tear us down. Deny science all you want, we’re still inherently better than you, and there is nothing she can ever say that will change that.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @anon

    She's individually smarter than 99.9% of the people on this website-including you and me. She knows what she's doing, and don't kid yourself.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @ben tillman

  256. @ben tillman
    @megabar


    > To state even the undeniable fact that we are one human species today means falling afoul of a cabal of conspiracy theorists.

    This is an example of rebutting the worst argument that your opponent puts forth, rather than the best. Sadly, this is par for the course, and both sides are guilty of it.
     
    Who says it's a bad argument? The decision of where to draw the line is a judgment call. It's subjective.

    Replies: @megabar

    > Who says it’s a bad argument? The decision of where to draw the line is a judgment call. It’s subjective.

    Well, I think it’s a bad argument. Calling all people one species is entirely defensible, in the sense that we can easily interbreed. Furthermore, taxonomy doesn’t particularly recommend any action, and arguing that we’re different species is needlessly inflammatory, for little gain.

    A more compelling argument sticks to outcomes. If in fact the group differences are genetic — and there is good reason to believe that they are — then trying to create a cohesive society from different groups is doomed to fail.

  257. @AnotherDad
    @SimpleSong


    It’s so tiresome to listen to everyone screech about the lessons of history, when they in fact mean the lessons of 1939 to 1945. No other time existed apparently, the only mistakes that can be made were the types of mistakes made 1939 to 1945, no other era matters, really. I don’t know how the Germans can stand it since their recorded history reaches back to at least Tacitus but everyone boils them down to 6 years.
     
    It's much worse than that. These folks have either:
    a) charitably, grabbed onto only one event from the War--the Holocaust--to draw lessons from
    or
    b) uncharitably, completely inverted the actual lessons.

    As i've pointed out before rather than "nationalism", what the war was about was German and Japanese imperialism. Basically driven by fact that these higly competent but late rising nations were locked out of the imperialist division of the world by the British and French and to a lesser extent the Americans, Dutch, Belgians, etc. They were trying to rearrange the existing imperialist order with themselves on top.

    The war propaganda was essentially "nations of the world united against these evil axis bastards pushing other nations around".

    And the post-War consensus was ... yeah, imperialism is bad. People--i.e. various nations--really ought to be running their own affairs. The winners, out of some combination of embarassment and for the Europeans financial constraint started de-colonizing. Indonesia, Philippines, Lebanon, Syria, Burma, India, Ceylon were all independent and the Jews got their own national state immediately or within a few years of the War. Nationalism was the ideology of the day and most of the rest of the old empires were independent nations within a generation. (Some easy, some hard.) The Soviet Union hanging onto it's conquests in Eastern Europe was the big outlier. With, of course, both the Soviets and the U.S. messing quite a bit in nation's affairs around the world during their Cold War contest. But bottom line, there was a world consensus that nations should be governed by their own people.

    This minoritarian ideology, where the problem with the War was "nationalism", the critical event was "the Holocaust" and the "lesson" is we have to make sure minorities never feel uncomfortable and majorities are never allowed to govern their own nations and everyone should obey globo-homo is a revisionist--and nasty, cancerous--interpretation. Not exactly, but close to the exact opposite of what the War was really about and what it should have taught us.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Kronos

  258. @BengaliCanadianDude
    I agree Steve she's a promoter of anti-scientific cow dung, but why do you keep giving her publicity? You're smart enough to know better IMO, and you should obviously know this helps her gain attention because she can claim she's being attacked by "white racists" or whatever the current canard is, which only elevates her into a higher position

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Lugash

    I find these anti-racist scientist posts really, really dull. I find everything Steve writes as pretty fascinating(even golf course architecture, and I don’t play), but these… blech. I can’t generate any interest in what Sociologist A from Podunk U. thinks about CRISPR or what Ivy League Geneticist B can tell us about Baltimore.

  259. @Jack D
    @Scientific Armenian


    What kind of bankruptcy will be declared, and does that allow the state to renegotiate pensions down to a sane level?
     
    There's no provision in Federal law for states to declare bankruptcy. Further, in some states there is language in the state constitution about never reducing pension benefits that have already vested. The only solution is to tax people more and more and to provide less and less services so that the pensions can be paid. Maybe the Federal government will provide loan guarantees so that states can continue to access the borrowing market. In the long run it will fall apart but we're all dead in the long run - if they can patch the system up so it runs for another decade or two (and then apply some different patch that buys them another decade, etc.), that's close enough for government work.

    Replies: @Forbes, @MBlanc46

    Yes! Another decade and a half, or two. Please. Mme B and I should both have shuffled off by then, or, at least, have drifted off into blissful senility. I seethe with low-grade anger every hour of the day at what the Left have done to the nation that my ancestors built, but the decline appears inexorable. But, please, can the collapse hold off until I’ve checked out?

  260. @PiltdownMan
    @AnotherDad


    ... She could have easily snagged a quality guy back at Oxford or at King’s. Yet i see no hint of a husband or children–the 2nd of which would have taught her something about the validity of “the blank slate”–in her bio...

    ...instead she chose to be a mouthpiece for the establishment’s minoritarian/globalist/anti-nationalist bromides. Actually it’s most ludicruous “blank slate”–“race does not exist”, “sex does not exist”–ideological nonsense. (It’s economic globalism is nasty, but less obvious ludicrous.) She gets these nice little pat-on-the-back awards and accoldates which apparently are catnip to gals self-esteem. But the whole march of genetics is going to be debunking her work more and more each year. And the powers that be will inevitably move on to some new (younger, fresher) mouthpiece capable of massaging the science to soothe the discomforting message more subtlely and without the laughable debunked ouevre behind her.
     

    I don't disagree with the bulk of what you say, but Angela Saini is married, to a BBC journalist with a London School of Economics degree, and, as Mr. Sailer mentioned, has a child. As he is also a fellow 2nd gen. Indian immigrant to Britain, it is reasonable to surmise that the usual Asian/Indian family pressures to marry "a suitable boy" were operative.

    Unlike the poor, misguided disoriented native born gender studies products of our halls of academe who often lose their way in the dry desert of second wave feminist lifestyles, for immigrant "intellectuals", especially from very traditional cultures such as India, the SJW activism is usually only a way of extracting a livelihood from the cultures they find themselves immersed in. It is not a way of life.

    I wouldn't at all be surprised at all if Ms. Saini actually has a rich and fulfilling family life with her extended family and clan, complete with uncles, aunts, cousins, nephews and nieces, as is the case with many immigrant families.

    Replies: @Kronos, @AnotherDad

    I’m curious, any idea what the gender skew is between male/female SJW careerism? I assume it’s MUCH more heavily female than male. 60/40? 80/20?

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Kronos


    I’m curious, any idea what the gender skew is between male/female SJW careerism? I assume it’s MUCH more heavily female than male. 60/40? 80/20?
     
    That is almost certainly true. Billionaires donate generously to ensure their efforts promote the agenda that serves their own interests. Do any of these newspapers and magazines even make a profit?

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Kronos

  261. @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    Good heavens! Nakasone and Ferlinghetti are still kicking. The Beat goes on!

    James Lovelock seems determined to see his Gaia hypothesis out.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    Ooh, Reg, good one!

  262. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    I dunno - Hitler called it National Socialism, not Imperial Socialism. He didn't really seem interested in colonies - he just wanted to kill everyone in Europe and replace them with Germans.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @J.Ross, @The preferred nomenclature is..., @Whiskey, @AnotherDad

    I dunno – Hitler called it National Socialism, not Imperial Socialism. He didn’t really seem interested in colonies – he just wanted to kill everyone in Europe and replace them with Germans.

    First, off–and i have zero love for Hitler, whose done more damage to Western civ than anyone–but as a simple historical fact, “just wanted to kill everyone in Europe” is nonsense. If it was so then Hitler was pretty darn incompetent! Didn’t even really give it a good go. Hitler had a real issue with communists and Jews and in the process killed a lot of Poles. But if his goal was “kill everyone in Europe” he sure didn’t try very hard.

    But beyond that you’re just giving the same old tired Jewish propaganda, obfuscation, lying:
    nationalist==Hitler==killing Jews==genocide.
    Granted you guys have market share for this nonsense–“hey this is why you goyim can’t have your nation!”–but it’s still a big lie.

    Let me cut this Gordian knot for you with my goyishe kopf:

    Hitler was a German nationalist and a German imperialist. But it’s the imperialist part–invading other people’s nations, messsing with them, killing them that earned him the world’s approbation.

    What the British went to war over, and later what ordinary people–not commies–in many different nation fought against and why they called it “liberation” was Germans taking over other people’s nations or their nation and bossing them around.

    Bottom line: Hitler didn’t respect other people’s borders. But that has not very much to do with nationalism per se. (You can find not respecting borders on the pages of WSJ, in the Forward, in any Democratic party candidate debate.) Nations often have territorial disputes–but so do empires. I’m a big American nationalist but i’m not eyeing big chunks of Mexico or Canada.

    Other well known nationalists: George Washington, Gandhi, Nehru, Sun Yat-Sen, Chiang-Kai Shek, Charles de Gaul, Tito (sort of). This group wouldn’t much want Hitler as a member.

    Pretty easy to come up with counter-factual hyper-nationalist, but not imperialist Hitler.
    — Repudiates Versailles
    — Rebuilds German armed forces, especially Luftwaffe
    — National reconstruction.
    — Puts the commies in camps.
    — Declares Germans are one people and the nation is only for Germans. Jews must leave or Germanify. Confiscates property of leavers. Closes synagogues. Gypsies kicked out.
    — Anschluss with Austria
    — Retakes the Sudentenland … but does not invade the rest of Czechslovakia
    — Demands Danzig as German territory and negoitated rail access across the Polish corridor, in return for guaranteed Polish access to Danzig ports. But no attempt to abolish Polish corridor.
    — Supports decolonization of all nations.
    — Demands right of all nations–including imperial colonies–to trade freely with Germany.
    (Which happens to be the US position and post-war system.)
    — Supports independence movements/rebellions in colonized nations.

    Result … who knows? I’m sure the Jews would throw all invective at this hyper-nationalist Hitler for not loving commies and Jews. But the world would not be buying. You can sorta guess if you asked an American high school or college student today about him, that it would be “Hitler? Who’s that?” Unless it worked out pretty well and then the A students would say “Oh he’s the German guy who pushed and set in motion decolonization.”

    Nationalism–people running their own nations behind secure borders–is not the problem, but the solution. At least once you have agreed upon borders. Imperialism–demanding entrance to or the right to mess with other people’s nations–is the problem.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You go to war with the Hitler you've got, not the Hitler you want. I gather that you are upset that Hitler has irreparably damaged the nationalist brand. It's true that he did, just as Stalin and Mao damaged the Leftist brand (but that doesn't seem to stop modern Leftists).

    I don't think that your alternate universe kinder gentler fantasy Hitler was really possible. His ideology led him to certain logical endpoints just as Mao's led him to other conclusions. When you are falling down the mountain you can't stop and get off half way.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AnotherDad

  263. @PiltdownMan
    @AnotherDad


    ... She could have easily snagged a quality guy back at Oxford or at King’s. Yet i see no hint of a husband or children–the 2nd of which would have taught her something about the validity of “the blank slate”–in her bio...

    ...instead she chose to be a mouthpiece for the establishment’s minoritarian/globalist/anti-nationalist bromides. Actually it’s most ludicruous “blank slate”–“race does not exist”, “sex does not exist”–ideological nonsense. (It’s economic globalism is nasty, but less obvious ludicrous.) She gets these nice little pat-on-the-back awards and accoldates which apparently are catnip to gals self-esteem. But the whole march of genetics is going to be debunking her work more and more each year. And the powers that be will inevitably move on to some new (younger, fresher) mouthpiece capable of massaging the science to soothe the discomforting message more subtlely and without the laughable debunked ouevre behind her.
     

    I don't disagree with the bulk of what you say, but Angela Saini is married, to a BBC journalist with a London School of Economics degree, and, as Mr. Sailer mentioned, has a child. As he is also a fellow 2nd gen. Indian immigrant to Britain, it is reasonable to surmise that the usual Asian/Indian family pressures to marry "a suitable boy" were operative.

    Unlike the poor, misguided disoriented native born gender studies products of our halls of academe who often lose their way in the dry desert of second wave feminist lifestyles, for immigrant "intellectuals", especially from very traditional cultures such as India, the SJW activism is usually only a way of extracting a livelihood from the cultures they find themselves immersed in. It is not a way of life.

    I wouldn't at all be surprised at all if Ms. Saini actually has a rich and fulfilling family life with her extended family and clan, complete with uncles, aunts, cousins, nephews and nieces, as is the case with many immigrant families.

    Replies: @Kronos, @AnotherDad

    Thanks for the info Piltdown, i stand–or as the case may be, slump in my recliner here–corrected.

    I didn’t do any kind of thorough search but i read the wikipedia article and her bio on her website and saw no reference to marriage or family.

    It’s interesting that she makes absolutely no reference to marriage or–even more so–having a child on her own site. But i guess that’s part of “i am woman here me roar” feminism. It’s my awesome brilliance as an author that shines so bright. Boring old being a mom is nothing to note.

    Anyway, i think she’s fortunate. She’s got something real going on in her life that will still be there, when she figures out–and/or the world figues out and loses interest in–her writing is bullshit.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @AnotherDad


    Anyway, i think she’s fortunate. She’s got something real going on in her life that will still be there, when she figures out–and/or the world figures out and loses interest in–her writing is bullshit.
     
    It's hard to make predictions, especially those concerning the future. Sigh.
    What you expect need not happen. Saini is on a quite impressive career-streak. This can go on (and up) for her forever.
  264. @anon
    "Her entire worldview and the activism she’s doing (and this is activism) springs from the fact that she is a foreigner in someone else’s country and she knows it."

    She's Indian, too - right? It probably damages her ego to exist in a country among a people who are obviously genetically superior to her own lineage, physically and mentally. A lot of this comes from envy. She wishes she could be us, but since she can't, she and her other envious POCs try to tear us down. Deny science all you want, we're still inherently better than you, and there is nothing she can ever say that will change that.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    She’s individually smarter than 99.9% of the people on this website-including you and me. She knows what she’s doing, and don’t kid yourself.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Don't be ridic. She's cute but dumb.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    , @ben tillman
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Most of the commenters here have 10-30 IQ points on her. Sorry. She just looks smart compared to the average Bengali, I would guess.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @BengaliCanadianDude

  265. But Stephen Jay Gould was a notorious fraud.

    And when is she going to demand that Darwin’s works all be burned?

  266. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @anon

    She's individually smarter than 99.9% of the people on this website-including you and me. She knows what she's doing, and don't kid yourself.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @ben tillman

    Don’t be ridic. She’s cute but dumb.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Nicholas Stix

    LOL she's got a Masters in Engineering from Oxford, and another Masters in Science & Security from King's College London. You're funny

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  267. @Whiskey
    @Jack D

    Hitler wanted vast slave colonies in Poland, Ukraine and Russia. This turning even the Ukrainian s anti nazi.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    In his history of Nazi Germany, Joseph Bendersky claimed that the Poles benefited from a split in the the Nazi Party hierarchy. While all of the Party brass agreed on killing off all the Poles, one wing wanted to kill them immediately, while the other wing wanted to gradually work them to death. The War ended before the Party hierarchy could come to a decision.

  268. @ThreeCranes
    @Anon


    Has she literally even said one thing that yet that referenced anything empirical at all?
     
    No.

    "Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion.” Hume

    Replies: @Desiderius, @BB753

    Hume, glorified witch hunter. About right. We live in his world now. This too shall pass.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    @Desiderius


    Hume, glorified witch hunter...
     
    Huh? Such an odd thing to say about him...what are you thinking of? He's always seemed to me like the most charming & amiable of the great philosophers - the one you'd most like to share a drink with.

    Also, the greatest prodigy of philosophy (published the Treatise when he was 28!), yet at the same time the most modest (see, e.g., the famous appendix to his account of personal identity in the Treatise where he admits that something has gone wrong, but he can't quite figure out exactly what...)

    Definitely one of the good guys of human history.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  269. @megabar
    @Desiderius

    > Bothsidesism is how we got in this mess. Time to pull your head out of your ass and pay closer attention. You’ve been played, and often.

    I'll restate: Rebutting a stupid version of your opponent's argument is ineffective. If you want to convince people -- and yes, some people are open to being convinced -- then you should attack the best argument they have, and not the worst.

    Put another way, if you think Saini sounds dumb here -- and she does -- then think carefully about the arguments you make to people, and do your best to address the best version of their argument.

    This has nothing at all to do with which side has more merit, and so your comment is a whiff.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Our side doesn’t just have more merit, it has all the merit and then some, because the other has less than none. Yet here you sit on your pathetic high horse trying to split the difference and find fault with both sides.

    It is the determination of our erstwhile leaders to always sit in exactly that judgement seat that is the proximate cause of such inanity as this article. She knows that no matter how ridiculous her article is that you’ll not only take it seriously but will also make up random failings on the other side to preserve your precious impartiality.

    Thus do you get played like a fiddle and ensure the rest of us have to suffer through more interminable bullshit.

    • Replies: @megabar
    @Desiderius

    > Our side doesn’t just have more merit, it has all the merit and then some, because the other has less than none. Yet here you sit on your pathetic high horse trying to split the difference and find fault with both sides.

    You're being obtuse. Read what I've said, and not what you imagine I'm saying.

    I am _not_ saying that both sides have equal merit. Nowhere did I say that. I am arguing that both sides make poor arguments. There is a difference between the merit (i.e. the underlying correctness) of a position, and the effectiveness of an argument supporting it.

    Imagine I'm a football coach. I notice that both our big rival and ourselves tend to make the same error. So I say to my team, "You know, we both make this mistake. Let's stop doing that, so we'll have a better chance to win." To which you reply "Stop taking their side, coach! You're the reason we're losing games."

    For the record, I think progressivism, and the ignoring of the role of genetics in general, is incredibly harmful, and is sowing irreparable harm to the US.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  270. Scientific American: It has the best scientists in the magazine business.

  271. @Kronos
    @Jack D

    They’re there for terrible reasons.

    1) The federal government owns 70% of student loan debt. They make money off students to pay for federal expenditures. (This is one of the few times I’m impressed with Elizabeth Warren.) where the money goes I can’t figure out. (I’ve looked but to no avail.) I’m assuming a Medicare Part D viagra subsidy.

    https://youtu.be/_ZvCi7R0eTo

    2) Parents send their kids to college to purposely waste time. 60% of Baby Boomers can’t afford to retire. So the good jobs are unavailable until they die. College helps students “wait out the clock.” With only a slight sense of prestige.

    3) Help improve unemployment numbers. If your a student, your technically working.

    4) a bunch of other bad counterproductive reasons. Like creating a brainwashed army of liberal Democrats. “We can’t increase their IQ, what we can command them what/how to think.”

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Your #4 is very important. Even if they don’t get educated, they get indoctrinated, and they get into massive debt for the privilege. It’s a win-win!

  272. @gutta percha
    Saini sez it is not true that "entire nations have innately higher or lower cognitive capacities." Somebody ask her point-blank "Does Japan have an innately higher cognitive capacity than the Congo?" Somebody ask Sci Amer editors that too.

    Saini sez it is not true that "someone’s skin color can tell you something about their IQ." [There they go again, saying "skin color" instead of "race".] Somebody ask her, point blank, is it not possible to IQ test a population of sub-Saharan blacks, and to IQ test a population of northern European whites, and compare the distributions? It's been done, over and over and over. Is that "discredited" "race science" now? Somebody ask Sci Amer editors that too.

    [Saini sez bad people "are actively working to resurrect eugenics," but WTF cares?]

    How does Saini get thru an entire day without someone confronting her with truth? What bizarre twists of logic does she have to perform to declare Japan and Congo innately equal in cognitive capacity?

    Sci Amer has been political as long as I've read it (since late 1960's) but this is a whole new level of science denialism. It's Lysenkoism, or if you prefer, Maoism-Stalinism.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Sci Amer has been political as long as I’ve read it (since late 1960’s) but this is a whole new level of science denialism. “

    The UK’s New Scientist is just as bad. Some time in the Noughties it went pear-shaped, and I stopped buying it around 2010.

    https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/new-scientists-first-female-editor-says-for-now-its-about-women-and-minorities-but-soon-it-will-be-the-first-robot-editor/

    “For my 20s, I was a very loyal foot soldier in every job I did. I wasn’t very politicised. I didn’t know anything about feminism or anything like that.”

    Wilson said she arrived at the Guardian in a very “Guardian-steeped culture as a total Daily Mail ingénue/idiot, who had no idea of the things I would say that would go down like a bucket of cold sick at the Guardian”.

    Adding: “There was a time when about, I can’t remember, six to nine people left the Mail, a little refugee boat full of people, and all went to the Guardian, and made a good home there for many years, and many are still there.

    “And someone did once stand up in conference and give a little speech [saying] ‘I think it’s disgusting that Daily Mail employees will come and work here.’”

    However, Wilson said she eventually became “very at home, and then, obviously, I spent a hundred years there. So, by the end I was part of the furniture”.

    During her time at the Guardian she said she wanted to work on general news, but “science came and found me again”..

    On her appointment as editor, she said: “Soon it will be the first robot editor and the first robot CEO, but for now, it’s about women and other kinds of minorities”.

    Wilson replaced Sumit Paul-Choudhury as editor, who stayed on the New Scientist’s strategy director.

  273. @Cagey Beast
    You HBD guys had a freak-out the last time I said this but you're all going to have to deal with the fact that "feelings don't care about your facts", as Richard Spencer said in response to Ben Shapiro's catchphrase. You guys can have all the data you want but you'll still have to deal with two things:

    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.

    2) To varying degrees, the entire West has transformed itself based upon the blank slate theory. What's even your rough sketch of plan for governing these multiracial societies once you smash their "noble lie"*?

    On the second point, I myself think we're going to end up divorcing the more vibrant metropolitan regions from the rest of our countries but that doesn't help HBD'ers clear that public relations hurdle. It still means the people now in power, who would see themselves inhabiting the hypothetical city states, still have to imagine how they'd govern their vibrant fellow citizens once your HBD cat is out of the bag.

    In short, you guys are going to have to deal with the fact that your ideas radically disturb the current arrangements. I know saying so is just throwing red meat to all the keyboard bad-asses but someone has to. Someone has to act like we actually have to figure out how to responsibly govern our countries. We can't all be like Boris Johnson, Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump. Some of us have to be the adults in the room.

    * It's funny how the reigning noble lie is precisely the opposite of the one laid out in Plato's Republic.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lucas McCrudy, @Justvisiting, @ben tillman, @ben tillman, @Whiskey, @Kronos, @advancedatheist, @Rosie

    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.

    Because it’s women and not cheap-labor (((plutocrats))) who set the ideological tone.

    This is like a game of whack-a-mole. If you refute one theory that scapegoats women, another will pop up to take its place.

    https://www.newsweek.com/koch-network-wont-support-trump-2020-1278141

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Rosie

    There needs to be a "sort-of-agree" button.

    Rosie is right that it's not women who are setting the ideological tone. They're just going along to get along.

    But women en-masse tend to be (for good evolutionary reasons) more attracted to conformism - and conformism today means cultural leftism. If Trump was the figure that liberal nightmares depict and conservatives dream of, and the GOP used their power for good, built the wall, verified citizenship, abolished anchor births, nailed up employees of illegals, you'd be amazed at the change.

    Back in the 1950s UK, a conservative society, women voted more right-wing than men. After the cultural revolution of the 60s (which only really mainstreamed in the 80s), women voted more left than men.

    So if you want to bring more women onside, you need power.

    Replies: @Rosie

  274. @AnotherDad
    @PiltdownMan

    Miss Saini has made a terrible life choice.

    She's blessed by nature with more facial symetric and somewhat more feminine features than most. To pump out these articles and books she clearly has the IQ and conscientiousness to have been a good mom. She could have easily snagged a quality guy back at Oxford or at King's. Yet i see no hint of a husband or children--the 2nd of which would have taught her something about the validity of "the blank slate"--in her bio. She could now have her third or fourth child potty trained and spending a few hours in pre-school and be doing either the Brit equivalent of PTA stuff or be working from home ramping back up on freelance work. And if she'd had the good sense and rope in a white husband, those kids would have the nice mixed tones--e.g. Meridith Kercher--probably given, Miss Saini's looks, quite cute.

    Instead she chose to be a mouthpiece for the establishment's minoritarian/globalist/anti-nationalist bromides. Actually it's most ludicruous "blank slate"--"race does not exist", "sex does not exist"--ideological nonsense. (It's economic globalism is nasty, but less obvious ludicrous.) She gets these nice little pat-on-the-back awards and accoldates which apparently are catnip to gals self-esteem. But the whole march of genetics is going to be debunking her work more and more each year. And the powers that be will inevitably move on to some new (younger, fresher) mouthpiece capable of massaging the science to soothe the discomforting message more subtlely and without the laughable debunked ouevre behind her. In a few years, the looks are gone, the accolades are fading ... "here kitty, here kitty".

    Miss Saini has traded the *real* and *important* and deeply *rewarding* job of motherhood, for a few bucks and a bunch of "you go girl" awards from the PC hothouse.

    There is no end to the destruction wrought by minoritarianism/feminism/progressivism. The kool-aid that kills.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Rosie

    And if she’d had the good sense and rope in a white husband,

    WTF?

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Rosie

    Old Hindu customs call for burning a man’s widow alive. (It’s a good protection from having her poison your food.) Far less likely if she married a normal white dude. Though if her current husband does die, it’ll improve Scientific American magazine immensely from her “prolonged absence.”

    I’m 100% not kidding about the religious funeral custom.

    https://youtu.be/CPeXnuxRPVM

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)

    Replies: @Rosie

  275. @Kronos
    @PiltdownMan

    I’m curious, any idea what the gender skew is between male/female SJW careerism? I assume it’s MUCH more heavily female than male. 60/40? 80/20?

    Replies: @Rosie

    I’m curious, any idea what the gender skew is between male/female SJW careerism? I assume it’s MUCH more heavily female than male. 60/40? 80/20?

    That is almost certainly true. Billionaires donate generously to ensure their efforts promote the agenda that serves their own interests. Do any of these newspapers and magazines even make a profit?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Rosie

    Few people have money making hobbies.

    , @Kronos
    @Rosie

    I understood that “The New Republic” ran on a continuous loss for decades. Then Mark Zuckerberg’s roommate bought it, then failed to turn it around but ruffled many feathers. I’d like Steve to do a thing on traditional liberal outlets (NYT, New Republic, The Nation, Mother Jones) regarding if they’re all the same or subtly different. I’m assuming their all money pits but as Carlos Slim found out, some offer plenty of PR advantages (like silence.)

  276. @SFG
    @JimB

    If I had to guess, I'd say he's probably chattel, what with the divorce laws the way they are.

    Though I find no evidence she's married.

    Replies: @Rosie

    If I had to guess, I’d say he’s probably chattel, what with the divorce laws the way they are.

    What changes would you like to see in the divorce laws?

  277. @Kylie
    @Saxon

    "Her entire worldview and the activism she’s doing (and this is activism) springs from the fact that she is a foreigner in someone else’s country and she knows it."

    Yes, she's a woman in a man's world.

    I'm getting really cranky at how much attention is paid to the blathering of females, especially WoC. They are equal parts ignorant and arrogant. Also, they're just plain unintelligent.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Rosie

    Also, they’re just plain unintelligent.

    Evidently, you’re not the brightest bulb in the chandelier either. I literally have never known you to have an interesting thing to say, which is why you have to resort to bashing other women for upcummies.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Rosie

    "I literally have never known you to have an interesting thing to say..."

    And yet here you are reading and replying to my uninteresting remarks. Presumably you needed to take a break from lauding Meghan Markle for her inspiring example of female empowerment. Lucky me.

    Replies: @Rosie

  278. @Rosie
    @Kronos


    I’m curious, any idea what the gender skew is between male/female SJW careerism? I assume it’s MUCH more heavily female than male. 60/40? 80/20?
     
    That is almost certainly true. Billionaires donate generously to ensure their efforts promote the agenda that serves their own interests. Do any of these newspapers and magazines even make a profit?

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Kronos

    Few people have money making hobbies.

  279. @Rosie
    @Cagey Beast


    1) A lot of middle class and wealthy women have built their social position upon the blank slate theory. They will not give this up without a generations long fight.
     
    Because it's women and not cheap-labor (((plutocrats))) who set the ideological tone.

    This is like a game of whack-a-mole. If you refute one theory that scapegoats women, another will pop up to take its place.

    https://www.newsweek.com/koch-network-wont-support-trump-2020-1278141

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    There needs to be a “sort-of-agree” button.

    Rosie is right that it’s not women who are setting the ideological tone. They’re just going along to get along.

    But women en-masse tend to be (for good evolutionary reasons) more attracted to conformism – and conformism today means cultural leftism. If Trump was the figure that liberal nightmares depict and conservatives dream of, and the GOP used their power for good, built the wall, verified citizenship, abolished anchor births, nailed up employees of illegals, you’d be amazed at the change.

    Back in the 1950s UK, a conservative society, women voted more right-wing than men. After the cultural revolution of the 60s (which only really mainstreamed in the 80s), women voted more left than men.

    So if you want to bring more women onside, you need power.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @YetAnotherAnon


    So if you want to bring more women onside, you need power.
     
    I don't know about that, but I do know that it's totally unreasonable to expect women to take a stand when the vast majority of White men won't do so themselves.

    The House of Representatives is 75% male, and all but one of them voted to censure Steve King, even King himself!

    https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/steve-king-will-vote-yes-on-steve-king-disapproval-resolution
  280. @ben tillman
    @eah


    The ‘baby boomer’ retirement tsunami is ongoing; as a result, federal outlays for SS and Medicare will rise substantially — combined with generally low birth rates, this makes it more difficult to address the main Alt-Right agenda of immigration — downward pressure on living standards will only increase.
     
    It doesn't affect the anti-immigration agenda at all except to make it more urgent.

    Replies: @eah

    You’ll have trouble convincing anyone in the Establishment or any “normie” of that, since two things are vital to keeping the USD Ponzi/pretense going (while piling up mountains of amoral, unpayable inter-generational debt): an ever-growing number of taxpaying suckers workers, and enormous military spending to sustain US political and military hegemony — there is no other way to maintain the USD as “the world’s reserve currency” — see, the current, err, wisdom, is that even though we’re making a loss on a huge fraction of brown immigrants, we’ll import more and make it up in volume.

    Personally, I’m a WN and not at all a “normie” — so I would cancel the existing amoral and unpayable inter-generational national debt; get rid of the Federal Reserve and start issuing dollar bills and not dollar bonds (see Thomas Edison on this subject); close the border and revert back to something closer to America 1.0 by kicking out non-citizens and probably also large numbers of recently minted citizens of America 2.0 — but that’s just me.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @eah

    Immigrants are net tax consumers even in their "working" years. They do not keep any Ponzi scheme going. They hasten its demise.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @BengaliCanadianDude

  281. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    I dunno – Hitler called it National Socialism, not Imperial Socialism. He didn’t really seem interested in colonies – he just wanted to kill everyone in Europe and replace them with Germans.
     
    First, off--and i have zero love for Hitler, whose done more damage to Western civ than anyone--but as a simple historical fact, "just wanted to kill everyone in Europe" is nonsense. If it was so then Hitler was pretty darn incompetent! Didn't even really give it a good go. Hitler had a real issue with communists and Jews and in the process killed a lot of Poles. But if his goal was "kill everyone in Europe" he sure didn't try very hard.

    But beyond that you're just giving the same old tired Jewish propaganda, obfuscation, lying:
    nationalist==Hitler==killing Jews==genocide.
    Granted you guys have market share for this nonsense--"hey this is why you goyim can't have your nation!"--but it's still a big lie.

    Let me cut this Gordian knot for you with my goyishe kopf:

    Hitler was a German nationalist and a German imperialist. But it's the imperialist part--invading other people's nations, messsing with them, killing them that earned him the world's approbation.

    What the British went to war over, and later what ordinary people--not commies--in many different nation fought against and why they called it "liberation" was Germans taking over other people's nations or their nation and bossing them around.

    Bottom line: Hitler didn't respect other people's borders. But that has not very much to do with nationalism per se. (You can find not respecting borders on the pages of WSJ, in the Forward, in any Democratic party candidate debate.) Nations often have territorial disputes--but so do empires. I'm a big American nationalist but i'm not eyeing big chunks of Mexico or Canada.

    Other well known nationalists: George Washington, Gandhi, Nehru, Sun Yat-Sen, Chiang-Kai Shek, Charles de Gaul, Tito (sort of). This group wouldn't much want Hitler as a member.

    Pretty easy to come up with counter-factual hyper-nationalist, but not imperialist Hitler.
    -- Repudiates Versailles
    -- Rebuilds German armed forces, especially Luftwaffe
    -- National reconstruction.
    -- Puts the commies in camps.
    -- Declares Germans are one people and the nation is only for Germans. Jews must leave or Germanify. Confiscates property of leavers. Closes synagogues. Gypsies kicked out.
    -- Anschluss with Austria
    -- Retakes the Sudentenland ... but does not invade the rest of Czechslovakia
    -- Demands Danzig as German territory and negoitated rail access across the Polish corridor, in return for guaranteed Polish access to Danzig ports. But no attempt to abolish Polish corridor.
    -- Supports decolonization of all nations.
    -- Demands right of all nations--including imperial colonies--to trade freely with Germany.
    (Which happens to be the US position and post-war system.)
    -- Supports independence movements/rebellions in colonized nations.

    Result ... who knows? I'm sure the Jews would throw all invective at this hyper-nationalist Hitler for not loving commies and Jews. But the world would not be buying. You can sorta guess if you asked an American high school or college student today about him, that it would be "Hitler? Who's that?" Unless it worked out pretty well and then the A students would say "Oh he's the German guy who pushed and set in motion decolonization."

    Nationalism--people running their own nations behind secure borders--is not the problem, but the solution. At least once you have agreed upon borders. Imperialism--demanding entrance to or the right to mess with other people's nations--is the problem.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You go to war with the Hitler you’ve got, not the Hitler you want. I gather that you are upset that Hitler has irreparably damaged the nationalist brand. It’s true that he did, just as Stalin and Mao damaged the Leftist brand (but that doesn’t seem to stop modern Leftists).

    I don’t think that your alternate universe kinder gentler fantasy Hitler was really possible. His ideology led him to certain logical endpoints just as Mao’s led him to other conclusions. When you are falling down the mountain you can’t stop and get off half way.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    "I don’t think that your alternate universe kinder gentler fantasy Hitler was really possible. His ideology led him to certain logical endpoints just as Mao’s led him to other conclusions."

    I disagree. And if ideology directed against a race inevitably leads to genocide, white people had better wake up fast because there's a lot of it about here and now.

    When Hitler was just a wee tot, the then Kaiser was instructing German troops in China as follows

    "Just as a thousand years ago the Huns under their King Attila made a name for themselves, one that even today makes them seem mighty in history and legend, may the name German be affirmed by you in such a way in China that no Chinese will ever again dare to look askance at a German."

    And when Hitler wasn't much older, Germans were attempting with some success to wipe out the Herero.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide#Genocide

    No ideology needed. I was going to say 'just Germans', but then remembered the fate of the Tasmanian aborigines.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    You go to war with the Hitler you’ve got, not the Hitler you want. I gather that you are upset that Hitler has irreparably damaged the nationalist brand.
     
    Correct.

    But it's essentially a--successful--propaganda fraud by leftists and globalist Jews.

    I already cut this knot for you. What Hitler did that earned him eternal noteriety was his imperialism--invading *other people's nations*, messing with them, killing them.


    I don’t think that your alternate universe kinder gentler fantasy Hitler was really possible. His ideology led him to certain logical endpoints just as Mao’s led him to other conclusions. When you are falling down the mountain you can’t stop and get off half way.
     
    That's stupid. Or at least stupid if you are--in typical Jewish fashion--trying to tar "nationalism" with "Hitler".

    Particularly because staring you right in the face, at the same time as Hitler there were two other more accurately described as "nationalist" European dictators operating--Mussolini and Franco. Mussolini also tried to do a little low wattage Italian imperialism, unsuccessfully. Neither did anything like Hitler.

    So if you want to claim that Hitler's ideology is baked in and all of apiece, then even these two dictators refute that that ideology is "nationalism".

    Personally i'll take regular old nationalism, George Washington style: our nation and we're going to run the joint for ourselves, you guys f'off.

    Replies: @Jack D

  282. @Desiderius
    @megabar

    Our side doesn’t just have more merit, it has all the merit and then some, because the other has less than none. Yet here you sit on your pathetic high horse trying to split the difference and find fault with both sides.

    It is the determination of our erstwhile leaders to always sit in exactly that judgement seat that is the proximate cause of such inanity as this article. She knows that no matter how ridiculous her article is that you’ll not only take it seriously but will also make up random failings on the other side to preserve your precious impartiality.

    Thus do you get played like a fiddle and ensure the rest of us have to suffer through more interminable bullshit.

    Replies: @megabar

    > Our side doesn’t just have more merit, it has all the merit and then some, because the other has less than none. Yet here you sit on your pathetic high horse trying to split the difference and find fault with both sides.

    You’re being obtuse. Read what I’ve said, and not what you imagine I’m saying.

    I am _not_ saying that both sides have equal merit. Nowhere did I say that. I am arguing that both sides make poor arguments. There is a difference between the merit (i.e. the underlying correctness) of a position, and the effectiveness of an argument supporting it.

    Imagine I’m a football coach. I notice that both our big rival and ourselves tend to make the same error. So I say to my team, “You know, we both make this mistake. Let’s stop doing that, so we’ll have a better chance to win.” To which you reply “Stop taking their side, coach! You’re the reason we’re losing games.”

    For the record, I think progressivism, and the ignoring of the role of genetics in general, is incredibly harmful, and is sowing irreparable harm to the US.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @megabar

    No.

    The sides here are:

    (1) Our illustrious host

    (2) Becky Patel continuing a twenty -year tradition of Scientific Anti-American beclowning themselves exactly because the men who should be holding them accountable are too busy shitting themselves at the prospect of taking their own damn side for once in their miserable lives.

    No. He’s not making weak arguments. Any argument puts him head and shoulders above the no-show competition of course who’d rather live in their dream world where “both sides are at fault” and they get to be above it all, but of course Steve’s arguments stand on their own merits.

    And your cowardice is still pathetic.

    Replies: @megabar

  283. @Jim Given
    @Uilleam Yr Alban

    Interesting. If Jonathan Marks believes these four traits characterize science, then by "science, he is talking not about actual scientific research, but about the caricature of science critiqued by philosophers of science in the era before the late 1960's. I stopped reading such stuff when I was in high school because "philosophers of science" in that era, like Mr. Marks, have no idea what modern scientific research is like. Philosophically, it is fascinating that science can simultaneously be guilty of being "rationalist" and "experimentalist". I have no idea what the latter term means, but suspect it is similar to Noam Chomsky's similar bogeyman term "empiricist". But this does not surprise me. I don't believe that either of these terms is being used in a sense that philosophers would recognize.


    I suspect that committed Leftists simply want all "scientific research" to be oriented in its goals and conclusions by the agenda of the State. Perhaps Lysenko had the right idea, but didn't get sufficient opportunity to prove his theories because the evil Fascist scientists got the better of him.

    As many scholars have described in detail, devout Leftism is a secular religious faith. (Igor Shafarevich and Michael Polanyi are two good examples.) But as a repressed religion, one that denies it is a religion, such Leftism cannot separate "science" from "religion".

    Very interesting parallels can be drawn between ideologically committed Leftist science, and the sort of Fundamentalist Christian Creation science that tried to prove "scientifically", e.g. by geological research, that the world really is only 3000 year old.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s sort of shocking that Marks openly rejects science, in that most Leftists claim to embrace it – Communism itself claimed to be Scientific Socialism. There had been other utopian socialist movement in the past, but according to the Communists, these were based upon romantic and sentimental notions while Communism was backed with scientific rigor. Nowadays, Climate Change (and the measures to combat it) is said to be scientifically proven and therefore not open to debate. We have to take your car and your hamburgers away because Science.

    But it makes sense, for the reasons that you give – if science contradicts your faith and you are a True Believer, then you have no choice but to reject science because you sure as hell aren’t going to give up your faith. Leftists like science when it agrees with their positions and reject it when it doesn’t. Fundamentalist Christians would find a lot to agree with in Marks’s critique of science, particularly his rejection of “naturalism”.

    Although Saini sites Marks as a source, I think she is not claiming to reject science herself – rather she keeps shouting (with scant evidence) that “the science is settled” – that race does not exist.

  284. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @Forbes
    @Anon

    Has Scientific American been respected this century? It went downhill long ago...

    Replies: @Anon

    Circa the late 1990s there was an interesting peer reviewed meta review of The Bell Curve published in a legitimate scientific journal. The author collected up all reviews of the book in scientific journals, and all reviews he could find in name brand major non scientific media. He put Scientific American in the science journal category at that time. He summarized each review.

    His findings were that every single non journal publication negatively reviewed the book, while every single science journal review was positive … except for SciAm. So even then it was becoming more mainstream and less rigorous.

  285. @Rosie
    @Kylie


    Also, they’re just plain unintelligent.
     
    Evidently, you're not the brightest bulb in the chandelier either. I literally have never known you to have an interesting thing to say, which is why you have to resort to bashing other women for upcummies.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “I literally have never known you to have an interesting thing to say…”

    And yet here you are reading and replying to my uninteresting remarks. Presumably you needed to take a break from lauding Meghan Markle for her inspiring example of female empowerment. Lucky me.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Kylie


    And yet here you are reading and replying to my uninteresting remarks.
     
    You have a point, for once.

    Ignored.
  286. @Kylie
    @Rosie

    "I literally have never known you to have an interesting thing to say..."

    And yet here you are reading and replying to my uninteresting remarks. Presumably you needed to take a break from lauding Meghan Markle for her inspiring example of female empowerment. Lucky me.

    Replies: @Rosie

    And yet here you are reading and replying to my uninteresting remarks.

    You have a point, for once.

    Ignored.

  287. @Cagey Beast
    @ben tillman

    I get that but you will still need to give at least a thumbnail sketch of how they will govern their multiracial city states after we separate. You have to have an answer for the question: "accepting what you say is true, what are we supposed to do now?".

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Frankly, I don’t give a damn. And who is going to ask that question?

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @ben tillman

    Your fellow citizens.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  288. @J.Ross
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Steve Sailer is giving establishment-endorsed bestselling author Angela Saini publicity. On his blog. Okay.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    Publicity is publicity. And now she can claim to be a victim or something

  289. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Rosie

    There needs to be a "sort-of-agree" button.

    Rosie is right that it's not women who are setting the ideological tone. They're just going along to get along.

    But women en-masse tend to be (for good evolutionary reasons) more attracted to conformism - and conformism today means cultural leftism. If Trump was the figure that liberal nightmares depict and conservatives dream of, and the GOP used their power for good, built the wall, verified citizenship, abolished anchor births, nailed up employees of illegals, you'd be amazed at the change.

    Back in the 1950s UK, a conservative society, women voted more right-wing than men. After the cultural revolution of the 60s (which only really mainstreamed in the 80s), women voted more left than men.

    So if you want to bring more women onside, you need power.

    Replies: @Rosie

    So if you want to bring more women onside, you need power.

    I don’t know about that, but I do know that it’s totally unreasonable to expect women to take a stand when the vast majority of White men won’t do so themselves.

    The House of Representatives is 75% male, and all but one of them voted to censure Steve King, even King himself!

    https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/steve-king-will-vote-yes-on-steve-king-disapproval-resolution

  290. @eah
    @ben tillman

    You'll have trouble convincing anyone in the Establishment or any "normie" of that, since two things are vital to keeping the USD Ponzi/pretense going (while piling up mountains of amoral, unpayable inter-generational debt): an ever-growing number of taxpaying suckers workers, and enormous military spending to sustain US political and military hegemony -- there is no other way to maintain the USD as "the world's reserve currency" -- see, the current, err, wisdom, is that even though we're making a loss on a huge fraction of brown immigrants, we'll import more and make it up in volume.

    Personally, I'm a WN and not at all a "normie" -- so I would cancel the existing amoral and unpayable inter-generational national debt; get rid of the Federal Reserve and start issuing dollar bills and not dollar bonds (see Thomas Edison on this subject); close the border and revert back to something closer to America 1.0 by kicking out non-citizens and probably also large numbers of recently minted citizens of America 2.0 -- but that's just me.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Immigrants are net tax consumers even in their “working” years. They do not keep any Ponzi scheme going. They hasten its demise.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @ben tillman

    Wrong, they consume the least welfare compared to every ethnic group, and they contribute more taxes commensurate to population. something like 7 percent of overall tax revenue, event though we are like 5 percent. and thats including all the dumb Hmong, Vietnamese and Cambodian refugees, as well yes, some dumb other groups ;)

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    @ben tillman

    She's in the high 120s based on her Engineering degree, and two masters from Oxford and King's. LOL no way in hell you or 99.9% of people here have IQs in the mid 130s.


    This is exactly why people call white trashionalists dumb. It's because you are. You confirmed it yourself with that braindead comment of yours. J Taylor is an exception

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

  291. @Nicholas Stix
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Don't be ridic. She's cute but dumb.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    LOL she’s got a Masters in Engineering from Oxford, and another Masters in Science & Security from King’s College London. You’re funny

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Members of affirmative action groups are in great danger today when walking around on Western antiversity campuses. Administrators stand on campus hills and toss, frisbee-style, degrees—b.s., more s, piled high and dry—laminated on wood at every AA passerby. Thus, AA group members must wear motorcycle helmets at all times on campus.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Edward

  292. @ben tillman
    @eah

    Immigrants are net tax consumers even in their "working" years. They do not keep any Ponzi scheme going. They hasten its demise.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @BengaliCanadianDude

    Wrong, they consume the least welfare compared to every ethnic group, and they contribute more taxes commensurate to population. something like 7 percent of overall tax revenue, event though we are like 5 percent. and thats including all the dumb Hmong, Vietnamese and Cambodian refugees, as well yes, some dumb other groups 😉

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    Wrong, they consume the least welfare compared to every ethnic group, and they contribute more taxes commensurate to population. something like 7 percent of overall tax revenue, event though we are like 5 percent.
     
    Immigrants and illegal aliens constitute more than 20% of the US population (not 5%!), and their welfare usage and demand on other public services (including public scho0ols) is greater than that of natives. Most immigrants, like you, are parasites.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  293. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @anon

    She's individually smarter than 99.9% of the people on this website-including you and me. She knows what she's doing, and don't kid yourself.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @ben tillman

    Most of the commenters here have 10-30 IQ points on her. Sorry. She just looks smart compared to the average Bengali, I would guess.

    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @ben tillman

    LOL that's not even close. especially not you. ESPECIALLY. A trailer hick with no accomplishments to his name would like to believe that. Go back to injecting yourself with more heroin!

    "Most of commenters here have 10-3- IQ points on her"

    lol wiggers actually believe this.

    Steve, call this guy out. He's embarassing you.


    HAHAHAHA this guy is so delusional.

    , @BengaliCanadianDude
    @ben tillman

    Another low functioning boonie hick agreeing. Case and point. . Exactly my point. These turds seem to think they're actually smart lol when they're at the level of negroids. None of these basement dwellers have anything close to her IQ, She's at least 2.5 SD above them when it comes to intelligence

  294. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You go to war with the Hitler you've got, not the Hitler you want. I gather that you are upset that Hitler has irreparably damaged the nationalist brand. It's true that he did, just as Stalin and Mao damaged the Leftist brand (but that doesn't seem to stop modern Leftists).

    I don't think that your alternate universe kinder gentler fantasy Hitler was really possible. His ideology led him to certain logical endpoints just as Mao's led him to other conclusions. When you are falling down the mountain you can't stop and get off half way.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AnotherDad

    “I don’t think that your alternate universe kinder gentler fantasy Hitler was really possible. His ideology led him to certain logical endpoints just as Mao’s led him to other conclusions.”

    I disagree. And if ideology directed against a race inevitably leads to genocide, white people had better wake up fast because there’s a lot of it about here and now.

    When Hitler was just a wee tot, the then Kaiser was instructing German troops in China as follows

    “Just as a thousand years ago the Huns under their King Attila made a name for themselves, one that even today makes them seem mighty in history and legend, may the name German be affirmed by you in such a way in China that no Chinese will ever again dare to look askance at a German.”

    And when Hitler wasn’t much older, Germans were attempting with some success to wipe out the Herero.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide#Genocide

    No ideology needed. I was going to say ‘just Germans’, but then remembered the fate of the Tasmanian aborigines.

  295. @ben tillman
    @Cagey Beast

    Frankly, I don't give a damn. And who is going to ask that question?

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Your fellow citizens.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Cagey Beast

    When and why?

  296. @AnotherDad
    @PiltdownMan

    Thanks for the info Piltdown, i stand--or as the case may be, slump in my recliner here--corrected.

    I didn't do any kind of thorough search but i read the wikipedia article and her bio on her website and saw no reference to marriage or family.

    It's interesting that she makes absolutely no reference to marriage or--even more so--having a child on her own site. But i guess that's part of "i am woman here me roar" feminism. It's my awesome brilliance as an author that shines so bright. Boring old being a mom is nothing to note.

    Anyway, i think she's fortunate. She's got something real going on in her life that will still be there, when she figures out--and/or the world figues out and loses interest in--her writing is bullshit.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Anyway, i think she’s fortunate. She’s got something real going on in her life that will still be there, when she figures out–and/or the world figures out and loses interest in–her writing is bullshit.

    It’s hard to make predictions, especially those concerning the future. Sigh.
    What you expect need not happen. Saini is on a quite impressive career-streak. This can go on (and up) for her forever.

  297. @Jack D
    @eah

    Notice that she is playing games with the y axis on the graph, which covers a very narrow range (8%). If the graph was ranged from 0 to 100% the line would look almost flat. American workers have gone from receiving 2/3 of national income to getting 3/5 in the last 20 years. This is not good but it's not the end of the world, especially if the national income pie has been growing (and it has).

    She also focuses on the "no high school" segment. Sure, as the world become more technological and you need to be able to read an operators manual just to drive a tractor (which now has GPS and other digital connections) people with no high school don't find their services much in demand.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Notice that she is playing games with the y axis on the graph, which covers a very narrow range (8%). If the graph was ranged from 0 to 100% the line would look almost flat. American workers have gone from receiving 2/3 of national income to getting 3/5 in the last 20 years. This is not good but it’s not the end of the world, especially if the national income pie has been growing (and it has).

    Several folks here like to have a cow when anyone doesn’t take the Y-axis to zero. It’s absolutely true that people often use that to lie. But not everything in life that is important is exponentially dramatic.

    This is a 10% decline in labor’s supply of the pie over the space of 20 years. 10% is not your “almost flat” and would show up on any properly formated graph–not as cataclysm, but as an ebbing away, a losing value, which is exactly what is happening.

    10% is actually huge. If your billings lost 10% … you’d think it was a problem. (Your wife would certainly let you know it was a problem.) If the government was going to take an extra 10% of your paycheck in taxes … “hey Jack we’re going to raise your taxes from 35% of your earnings to 45%, but over the next 20 years so you won’t even notice it” … i think you’d have an opinion on that.

    No, this is simple and obvious. People’s standard of living, relative to what it should/could be has declined 10% over the past couple of decades and it’s almost entirely due to immigration putting Americans in competition with cheap foreign labor.

    During our glorious 1924-1965 immigration pause, regular old working Americans were able to maintain (and i believe slightly grow) their share of national income, thus getting a vastly improved standard of living as technological progress and capital accumulation boosted output. My dad–granted after depression and War–had a nicely rising standard of living throughout his whole working life.

    But now the gains of technological progress are eaten by capital and immigrants. For an American worker–particularly one without skills that immigrants do not possess–basically the gains from technological progress are eaten up by immigration. Technology produces, immigration consumes and the average worker is just treading water as his share of pie falls.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  298. @ben tillman
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Most of the commenters here have 10-30 IQ points on her. Sorry. She just looks smart compared to the average Bengali, I would guess.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @BengaliCanadianDude

    LOL that’s not even close. especially not you. ESPECIALLY. A trailer hick with no accomplishments to his name would like to believe that. Go back to injecting yourself with more heroin!

    “Most of commenters here have 10-3- IQ points on her”

    lol wiggers actually believe this.

    Steve, call this guy out. He’s embarassing you.

    HAHAHAHA this guy is so delusional.

  299. @Desiderius
    @ThreeCranes

    Hume, glorified witch hunter. About right. We live in his world now. This too shall pass.

    Replies: @Vinteuil

    Hume, glorified witch hunter…

    Huh? Such an odd thing to say about him…what are you thinking of? He’s always seemed to me like the most charming & amiable of the great philosophers – the one you’d most like to share a drink with.

    Also, the greatest prodigy of philosophy (published the Treatise when he was 28!), yet at the same time the most modest (see, e.g., the famous appendix to his account of personal identity in the Treatise where he admits that something has gone wrong, but he can’t quite figure out exactly what…)

    Definitely one of the good guys of human history.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Vinteuil


    the same time the most modest
     
    Modestly relegating two thousand years of history and tradition to the flames.

    Whatever.

    Ignorance + arrogance, it’s the flavor of the Zeit.

    Replies: @Vinteuil

  300. @ben tillman
    @eah

    Immigrants are net tax consumers even in their "working" years. They do not keep any Ponzi scheme going. They hasten its demise.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @BengaliCanadianDude

    She’s in the high 120s based on her Engineering degree, and two masters from Oxford and King’s. LOL no way in hell you or 99.9% of people here have IQs in the mid 130s.

    This is exactly why people call white trashionalists dumb. It’s because you are. You confirmed it yourself with that braindead comment of yours. J Taylor is an exception

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    She’s in the high 120s based on her Engineering degree, and two masters from Oxford and King’s. LOL no way in hell you or 99.9% of people here have IQs in the mid 130s.
     
    I didn't make that claim. You claimed 99.9% of us are less intelligent than she. Mid-120s would be about the median for Steve's commentariat, with some of us (as well as Steve) being far above that.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    , @ben tillman
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    She’s in the high 120s based on her Engineering degree, and two masters from Oxford and King’s. LOL no way in hell you or 99.9% of people here have IQs in the mid 130s.

    This is exactly why people call white trashionalists dumb. It’s because you are.
     
    No, it's because you're a racist piece of shit. And an idiot to boot.
  301. @megabar
    @Desiderius

    > Our side doesn’t just have more merit, it has all the merit and then some, because the other has less than none. Yet here you sit on your pathetic high horse trying to split the difference and find fault with both sides.

    You're being obtuse. Read what I've said, and not what you imagine I'm saying.

    I am _not_ saying that both sides have equal merit. Nowhere did I say that. I am arguing that both sides make poor arguments. There is a difference between the merit (i.e. the underlying correctness) of a position, and the effectiveness of an argument supporting it.

    Imagine I'm a football coach. I notice that both our big rival and ourselves tend to make the same error. So I say to my team, "You know, we both make this mistake. Let's stop doing that, so we'll have a better chance to win." To which you reply "Stop taking their side, coach! You're the reason we're losing games."

    For the record, I think progressivism, and the ignoring of the role of genetics in general, is incredibly harmful, and is sowing irreparable harm to the US.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    No.

    The sides here are:

    (1) Our illustrious host

    (2) Becky Patel continuing a twenty -year tradition of Scientific Anti-American beclowning themselves exactly because the men who should be holding them accountable are too busy shitting themselves at the prospect of taking their own damn side for once in their miserable lives.

    No. He’s not making weak arguments. Any argument puts him head and shoulders above the no-show competition of course who’d rather live in their dream world where “both sides are at fault” and they get to be above it all, but of course Steve’s arguments stand on their own merits.

    And your cowardice is still pathetic.

    • Replies: @megabar
    @Desiderius

    > No. He’s not making weak arguments.

    If you'd pull your head of your ass for one minute, you'd realize that I never said that. My original comment was criticizing Angela Saini for making a bad argument, and I've never said or implied that Steve does the same thing. In fact, I believe the opposite. I read Steve's blog consistently _because_ I share a similar worldview, and I appreciate his nuance and insights.

    If you re-read my comments in this thread, but without being clouded by rage, I think you'll see this.

    > And your cowardice is still pathetic.

    Ironically, your performance is exactly what I'm saying not to do. My first post was terse, and I can understand why you might misunderstand what I was trying to say. But instead of assuming the best, in which case you'd have quickly found that I agree almost entirely with Steve's positions, you ranted like a melodramatic teenager and called me a coward, a fool, and part of white peoples' problems.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Desiderius

  302. @eah
    You should have excerpted the final passage of her screed in full:

    What has started with a gentle creep through the back door of our computers could end, if we’re not careful, with jackboots through the front door of our homes. Populism, ethnic nationalism and neo-Nazism are on the rise worldwide. If we are to prevent the mistakes of the past from happening again, we need to be more vigilant. The public must hold the Internet giants to account, recognize hatred dressed up as scholarship and learn how to marginalize it, and be assiduous in squeezing out pseudoscience from public debate. This is not a free speech issue; it’s about improving the quality and accuracy of information that people see online, and thereby creating a fairer, kinder society.
     
    https://twitter.com/AngelaDSaini/status/1151070958230429696

    Replies: @Erik L, @Forbes, @Ibound1, @lavoisier, @AnotherDad

    The public must hold the Internet giants to account, recognize hatred dressed up as scholarship and learn how to marginalize it, and be assiduous in squeezing out pseudoscience from public debate. This is not a free speech issue; it’s about improving the quality and accuracy of information that people see online, and thereby creating a fairer, kinder society.

    Free speech is essentially an Anglo-Saxon thing. It came out of a long tradition that involved the early abolition of serfdom, and then a long period of religious contention, then a period of improving, increasingly empiracal elite (scientific and technical) discourse.

    The idea that everyone is entitled to speak their mind is simply not a widely shared view. The fair play–fair hearing–aspect is particularly Anglo. Shout you down is the common tactic of many ethnic groups. Bottom line: Most people around the world simply do not believe in free speech.

    And on top of the racial/ethnic thing there’s a huge sex difference. Free speech is a very male thing. A “this is how we ought to do it” thing. I’ll give my opinion, you give your opinion … we’ll poke holes in each other’s opinions … and our comrades will figure out who’s got the best idea and we’ll do that. Don’t get me wrong it can be *extremely* competitive. Part of alpha competition. (Who’s got the biggest swinging dick.) But men actually do materially real stuff–hunt, fight, grow, build–all the time. So a successful man has to listen to others to figure out the best way to do stuff. (Even if they don’t want to admit it.)

    For women speech is only very unusually about figuring anything out. It’s basic transfer of information–the laundry is still upstairs–or often about conveying feelings. So you get a lot of this “people saying things that are hurtful is bad, bad, bad” stuff. This makes women more difficult to deal with even if you’re talking about something entirely technical–engineering approaches. But you can’t do any sort of politics if “hurt feelings” are a problem. And it’s an outright disaster in our current situation where telling the truth about racial/ethnic differences is critical to avoid Westerners getting mau-maued–and genocided–by equalist blank slate bullshit.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  303. @Vinteuil
    @Desiderius


    Hume, glorified witch hunter...
     
    Huh? Such an odd thing to say about him...what are you thinking of? He's always seemed to me like the most charming & amiable of the great philosophers - the one you'd most like to share a drink with.

    Also, the greatest prodigy of philosophy (published the Treatise when he was 28!), yet at the same time the most modest (see, e.g., the famous appendix to his account of personal identity in the Treatise where he admits that something has gone wrong, but he can't quite figure out exactly what...)

    Definitely one of the good guys of human history.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    the same time the most modest

    Modestly relegating two thousand years of history and tradition to the flames.

    Whatever.

    Ignorance + arrogance, it’s the flavor of the Zeit.

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
    @Desiderius


    Modestly relegating two thousand years of history and tradition to the flames.
     
    Oh for heavens sake. Hume never actually burned a single book. He was no Savonarola. He conducted no Bonfire of the Vanities, or anything like it.

    Yes, like Descartes, he probably went overboard in his rejection of Aristotelian/Thomistic metaphysics.

    But no: if there's any philosopher in history who least deserves the charge of "ignorance + arrogance," it's David Hume.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  304. @Anon
    Masha Gessen. I just spent a couple of minutes with Google Images. Oh my!

    I presume female? Her Carnegie page bio weirdly repeats her last name, awkwardly, rather than decide on a pronoun.

    https://www.carnegie.org/media/filer_public_thumbnails/filer_public/c0/3f/c03f2390-aa14-4953-8c4d-f6ee783dc512/masha_gessen.jpeg__240x270_q85_crop_subsampling-2_upscale.jpg

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Oy to the Timothy McVey! I’m blind!

  305. @PiltdownMan
    @Cagey Beast

    Nah. The Ukrainians don't use those Hawaiian style Home Depot things. Theirs look like old style German Stielhandgranate grenades, but with a long handle.

    https://gdb.rferl.org/1590E8D4-2C9B-435C-9B43-33FB9F321B81_w1597_n_r1_st.jpg

    http://callofduty4.de/waffen/cod1/stielhandgranate.jpg

    Replies: @Not Raul

    The long handle might help to avoid burning oneself.

  306. @L Woods
    @SFG

    Islamic fundamentalists have at least some redeeming virtues (their civilization, however stagnant, is at least poised to endure). Woke cultists have none at all.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Islamic fundamentalists have at least some redeeming virtues (their civilization, however stagnant, is at least poised to endure). Woke cultists have none at all.

    Agree. I hate these people. Don’t want them anywhere near the West. Would be happy if they vanished from the face of the earth. But their social order at least passes the self-consistency survival test. Western progs–not just woke cultists, but mere generic progs–in contrast are on a death march… and insisting vigorously that we must die with them.

  307. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    You go to war with the Hitler you've got, not the Hitler you want. I gather that you are upset that Hitler has irreparably damaged the nationalist brand. It's true that he did, just as Stalin and Mao damaged the Leftist brand (but that doesn't seem to stop modern Leftists).

    I don't think that your alternate universe kinder gentler fantasy Hitler was really possible. His ideology led him to certain logical endpoints just as Mao's led him to other conclusions. When you are falling down the mountain you can't stop and get off half way.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AnotherDad

    You go to war with the Hitler you’ve got, not the Hitler you want. I gather that you are upset that Hitler has irreparably damaged the nationalist brand.

    Correct.

    But it’s essentially a–successful–propaganda fraud by leftists and globalist Jews.

    I already cut this knot for you. What Hitler did that earned him eternal noteriety was his imperialism–invading *other people’s nations*, messing with them, killing them.

    I don’t think that your alternate universe kinder gentler fantasy Hitler was really possible. His ideology led him to certain logical endpoints just as Mao’s led him to other conclusions. When you are falling down the mountain you can’t stop and get off half way.

    That’s stupid. Or at least stupid if you are–in typical Jewish fashion–trying to tar “nationalism” with “Hitler”.

    Particularly because staring you right in the face, at the same time as Hitler there were two other more accurately described as “nationalist” European dictators operating–Mussolini and Franco. Mussolini also tried to do a little low wattage Italian imperialism, unsuccessfully. Neither did anything like Hitler.

    So if you want to claim that Hitler’s ideology is baked in and all of apiece, then even these two dictators refute that that ideology is “nationalism”.

    Personally i’ll take regular old nationalism, George Washington style: our nation and we’re going to run the joint for ourselves, you guys f’off.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Hitler could have been a Mussolini or a Franco but he wasn't - he was Hitler. He could not have been anyone other than Hitler. He had to be true to his own Hitlerian nature. Some of his ideas were borrowed from Mussolini but he put his own genocidal spin on them.

    Just because Hitler was a nationalist doesn't mean that all nationalists are Hilterian. But they tend in that direction just as Communists tend toward tyranny no matter where they start. You can have democratic socialism (as in Sweden) which doesn't tend toward tyranny and democratic nationalism as in GW, but there is some tipping point where the -ism becomes toxic and tips you into tyranny because its goals (and the ruler's power) cannot be achieved by democratic means. Democracy demands a lot of patience and compromise and this is hard - the gun is easier. As Stalin said, no person, no problem.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

  308. @Desiderius
    @Vinteuil


    the same time the most modest
     
    Modestly relegating two thousand years of history and tradition to the flames.

    Whatever.

    Ignorance + arrogance, it’s the flavor of the Zeit.

    Replies: @Vinteuil

    Modestly relegating two thousand years of history and tradition to the flames.

    Oh for heavens sake. Hume never actually burned a single book. He was no Savonarola. He conducted no Bonfire of the Vanities, or anything like it.

    Yes, like Descartes, he probably went overboard in his rejection of Aristotelian/Thomistic metaphysics.

    But no: if there’s any philosopher in history who least deserves the charge of “ignorance + arrogance,” it’s David Hume.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Vinteuil

    Your fantasy dne our reality.

    Read the quote I was responding to. It nicely sums up his general character, which is more or less highly functioning autism.

  309. @Rosie
    @AnotherDad


    And if she’d had the good sense and rope in a white husband,
     
    WTF?

    Replies: @Kronos

    Old Hindu customs call for burning a man’s widow alive. (It’s a good protection from having her poison your food.) Far less likely if she married a normal white dude. Though if her current husband does die, it’ll improve Scientific American magazine immensely from her “prolonged absence.”

    I’m 100% not kidding about the religious funeral custom.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Kronos


    I’m 100% not kidding about the religious funeral custom.
     
    I'm well aware of it, thanks.

    (It’s a good protection from having her poison your food.)
     
    Right. Given how Indians treat women (far worse than anything in the Arab world, I can see how Indian women would be tempted to poison their husbands, or worse.

    The Indians needed a "Female Infanticide Prevention Act" back in 1870. They're still at it today.

    https://youtu.be/qeSYN2c8f_A

    Of course, some of the misogynists around here would consider them a model for society.

  310. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    You go to war with the Hitler you’ve got, not the Hitler you want. I gather that you are upset that Hitler has irreparably damaged the nationalist brand.
     
    Correct.

    But it's essentially a--successful--propaganda fraud by leftists and globalist Jews.

    I already cut this knot for you. What Hitler did that earned him eternal noteriety was his imperialism--invading *other people's nations*, messing with them, killing them.


    I don’t think that your alternate universe kinder gentler fantasy Hitler was really possible. His ideology led him to certain logical endpoints just as Mao’s led him to other conclusions. When you are falling down the mountain you can’t stop and get off half way.
     
    That's stupid. Or at least stupid if you are--in typical Jewish fashion--trying to tar "nationalism" with "Hitler".

    Particularly because staring you right in the face, at the same time as Hitler there were two other more accurately described as "nationalist" European dictators operating--Mussolini and Franco. Mussolini also tried to do a little low wattage Italian imperialism, unsuccessfully. Neither did anything like Hitler.

    So if you want to claim that Hitler's ideology is baked in and all of apiece, then even these two dictators refute that that ideology is "nationalism".

    Personally i'll take regular old nationalism, George Washington style: our nation and we're going to run the joint for ourselves, you guys f'off.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Hitler could have been a Mussolini or a Franco but he wasn’t – he was Hitler. He could not have been anyone other than Hitler. He had to be true to his own Hitlerian nature. Some of his ideas were borrowed from Mussolini but he put his own genocidal spin on them.

    Just because Hitler was a nationalist doesn’t mean that all nationalists are Hilterian. But they tend in that direction just as Communists tend toward tyranny no matter where they start. You can have democratic socialism (as in Sweden) which doesn’t tend toward tyranny and democratic nationalism as in GW, but there is some tipping point where the -ism becomes toxic and tips you into tyranny because its goals (and the ruler’s power) cannot be achieved by democratic means. Democracy demands a lot of patience and compromise and this is hard – the gun is easier. As Stalin said, no person, no problem.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    Hitler could have been a Mussolini or a Franco but he wasn’t – he was Hitler.
     
    My impression is that most of these isms were really old wine in new bottles. In other words, they weren't so much things in themselves as the will to power looking for a pretext, meaning the people we think of as representing these ideologies were merely absolute monarchs by another name. The divine right of kings being passe by that time, they simply latched on to what was convenient. In his inclination to kill large numbers of people within his domain for idiosyncratic reasons, Hitler resembled, oddly enough, one of the many Chinese peasant rebels who made a bid for the throne:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Xianzhong#Devastation_of_Sichuan

  311. @Desiderius
    @megabar

    No.

    The sides here are:

    (1) Our illustrious host

    (2) Becky Patel continuing a twenty -year tradition of Scientific Anti-American beclowning themselves exactly because the men who should be holding them accountable are too busy shitting themselves at the prospect of taking their own damn side for once in their miserable lives.

    No. He’s not making weak arguments. Any argument puts him head and shoulders above the no-show competition of course who’d rather live in their dream world where “both sides are at fault” and they get to be above it all, but of course Steve’s arguments stand on their own merits.

    And your cowardice is still pathetic.

    Replies: @megabar

    > No. He’s not making weak arguments.

    If you’d pull your head of your ass for one minute, you’d realize that I never said that. My original comment was criticizing Angela Saini for making a bad argument, and I’ve never said or implied that Steve does the same thing. In fact, I believe the opposite. I read Steve’s blog consistently _because_ I share a similar worldview, and I appreciate his nuance and insights.

    If you re-read my comments in this thread, but without being clouded by rage, I think you’ll see this.

    > And your cowardice is still pathetic.

    Ironically, your performance is exactly what I’m saying not to do. My first post was terse, and I can understand why you might misunderstand what I was trying to say. But instead of assuming the best, in which case you’d have quickly found that I agree almost entirely with Steve’s positions, you ranted like a melodramatic teenager and called me a coward, a fool, and part of white peoples’ problems.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @megabar

    Keep making excuses and they'll keep rubbing your nose in it.

    , @Desiderius
    @megabar


    If you re-read my comments in this thread, but without being clouded by rage, I think you’ll see this.
     
    I see that you're so terrified of criticizing even a brazenly meretricious woman of color that you run for your both sides binky in the very next sentence.

    Replies: @megabar

  312. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Hitler could have been a Mussolini or a Franco but he wasn't - he was Hitler. He could not have been anyone other than Hitler. He had to be true to his own Hitlerian nature. Some of his ideas were borrowed from Mussolini but he put his own genocidal spin on them.

    Just because Hitler was a nationalist doesn't mean that all nationalists are Hilterian. But they tend in that direction just as Communists tend toward tyranny no matter where they start. You can have democratic socialism (as in Sweden) which doesn't tend toward tyranny and democratic nationalism as in GW, but there is some tipping point where the -ism becomes toxic and tips you into tyranny because its goals (and the ruler's power) cannot be achieved by democratic means. Democracy demands a lot of patience and compromise and this is hard - the gun is easier. As Stalin said, no person, no problem.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Hitler could have been a Mussolini or a Franco but he wasn’t – he was Hitler.

    My impression is that most of these isms were really old wine in new bottles. In other words, they weren’t so much things in themselves as the will to power looking for a pretext, meaning the people we think of as representing these ideologies were merely absolute monarchs by another name. The divine right of kings being passe by that time, they simply latched on to what was convenient. In his inclination to kill large numbers of people within his domain for idiosyncratic reasons, Hitler resembled, oddly enough, one of the many Chinese peasant rebels who made a bid for the throne:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Xianzhong#Devastation_of_Sichuan

  313. @Kronos
    @Rosie

    Old Hindu customs call for burning a man’s widow alive. (It’s a good protection from having her poison your food.) Far less likely if she married a normal white dude. Though if her current husband does die, it’ll improve Scientific American magazine immensely from her “prolonged absence.”

    I’m 100% not kidding about the religious funeral custom.

    https://youtu.be/CPeXnuxRPVM

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)

    Replies: @Rosie

    I’m 100% not kidding about the religious funeral custom.

    I’m well aware of it, thanks.

    (It’s a good protection from having her poison your food.)

    Right. Given how Indians treat women (far worse than anything in the Arab world, I can see how Indian women would be tempted to poison their husbands, or worse.

    The Indians needed a “Female Infanticide Prevention Act” back in 1870. They’re still at it today.

    Of course, some of the misogynists around here would consider them a model for society.

  314. @Rosie
    @Kronos


    I’m curious, any idea what the gender skew is between male/female SJW careerism? I assume it’s MUCH more heavily female than male. 60/40? 80/20?
     
    That is almost certainly true. Billionaires donate generously to ensure their efforts promote the agenda that serves their own interests. Do any of these newspapers and magazines even make a profit?

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Kronos

    I understood that “The New Republic” ran on a continuous loss for decades. Then Mark Zuckerberg’s roommate bought it, then failed to turn it around but ruffled many feathers. I’d like Steve to do a thing on traditional liberal outlets (NYT, New Republic, The Nation, Mother Jones) regarding if they’re all the same or subtly different. I’m assuming their all money pits but as Carlos Slim found out, some offer plenty of PR advantages (like silence.)

  315. @Vinteuil
    @Desiderius


    Modestly relegating two thousand years of history and tradition to the flames.
     
    Oh for heavens sake. Hume never actually burned a single book. He was no Savonarola. He conducted no Bonfire of the Vanities, or anything like it.

    Yes, like Descartes, he probably went overboard in his rejection of Aristotelian/Thomistic metaphysics.

    But no: if there's any philosopher in history who least deserves the charge of "ignorance + arrogance," it's David Hume.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Your fantasy dne our reality.

    Read the quote I was responding to. It nicely sums up his general character, which is more or less highly functioning autism.

  316. @megabar
    @Desiderius

    > No. He’s not making weak arguments.

    If you'd pull your head of your ass for one minute, you'd realize that I never said that. My original comment was criticizing Angela Saini for making a bad argument, and I've never said or implied that Steve does the same thing. In fact, I believe the opposite. I read Steve's blog consistently _because_ I share a similar worldview, and I appreciate his nuance and insights.

    If you re-read my comments in this thread, but without being clouded by rage, I think you'll see this.

    > And your cowardice is still pathetic.

    Ironically, your performance is exactly what I'm saying not to do. My first post was terse, and I can understand why you might misunderstand what I was trying to say. But instead of assuming the best, in which case you'd have quickly found that I agree almost entirely with Steve's positions, you ranted like a melodramatic teenager and called me a coward, a fool, and part of white peoples' problems.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    Keep making excuses and they’ll keep rubbing your nose in it.

  317. @megabar
    @Desiderius

    > No. He’s not making weak arguments.

    If you'd pull your head of your ass for one minute, you'd realize that I never said that. My original comment was criticizing Angela Saini for making a bad argument, and I've never said or implied that Steve does the same thing. In fact, I believe the opposite. I read Steve's blog consistently _because_ I share a similar worldview, and I appreciate his nuance and insights.

    If you re-read my comments in this thread, but without being clouded by rage, I think you'll see this.

    > And your cowardice is still pathetic.

    Ironically, your performance is exactly what I'm saying not to do. My first post was terse, and I can understand why you might misunderstand what I was trying to say. But instead of assuming the best, in which case you'd have quickly found that I agree almost entirely with Steve's positions, you ranted like a melodramatic teenager and called me a coward, a fool, and part of white peoples' problems.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Desiderius

    If you re-read my comments in this thread, but without being clouded by rage, I think you’ll see this.

    I see that you’re so terrified of criticizing even a brazenly meretricious woman of color that you run for your both sides binky in the very next sentence.

    • Replies: @megabar
    @Desiderius

    > I see that you’re so terrified of criticizing even a brazenly meretricious woman of color

    Ah, I see you finally understand what my original post was saying. That's progress.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  318. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Nicholas Stix

    LOL she's got a Masters in Engineering from Oxford, and another Masters in Science & Security from King's College London. You're funny

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    Members of affirmative action groups are in great danger today when walking around on Western antiversity campuses. Administrators stand on campus hills and toss, frisbee-style, degrees—b.s., more s, piled high and dry—laminated on wood at every AA passerby. Thus, AA group members must wear motorcycle helmets at all times on campus.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Nicholas Stix

    Sounds a lot like jealousy from a lower wigger un-succesful in life. There is no proof that she is an Affirmative action applicant, and the phenomena only exists covertly in support of blacks, if there is any in the UK. Oxford is fiercely secretive about their admission system. Again I will reiterate...She's smarter than everybody here LOL. Must hurt knowing that a non white is superior intellectually from your comments hah. The UK doesn't even have it so LOL whenever a low IQ yank mentions that


    You can really feel the envy and rage 😂

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    , @Edward
    @Nicholas Stix

    Affirmative action isn’t practiced in the UK — especially not at Oxford and Cambridge, which is why they have been hounded for years by black lawmakers. Oxford and Cambridge admit British Chinese and British Indian students at far higher rates than white students, who in turn are admitted at far higher rates than black students.

    Having said that, they are now thinking of practicing class-based affirmative action, especially for white working-class boys and girls.

  319. @Nicholas Stix
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Members of affirmative action groups are in great danger today when walking around on Western antiversity campuses. Administrators stand on campus hills and toss, frisbee-style, degrees—b.s., more s, piled high and dry—laminated on wood at every AA passerby. Thus, AA group members must wear motorcycle helmets at all times on campus.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Edward

    Sounds a lot like jealousy from a lower wigger un-succesful in life. There is no proof that she is an Affirmative action applicant, and the phenomena only exists covertly in support of blacks, if there is any in the UK. Oxford is fiercely secretive about their admission system. Again I will reiterate…She’s smarter than everybody here LOL. Must hurt knowing that a non white is superior intellectually from your comments hah. The UK doesn’t even have it so LOL whenever a low IQ yank mentions that

    You can really feel the envy and rage 😂

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Look up "ad hominem," you pathetic, racist fool.

    Also, get something for your toxically high level of self-esteem.

    There are many people on this thread, including yours truly, who are smarter than Angela Saini.

    And that's "phenomenon," not "phenomena," but I guess you're one of those geniuses who are above grammar.

  320. @ben tillman
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Most of the commenters here have 10-30 IQ points on her. Sorry. She just looks smart compared to the average Bengali, I would guess.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @BengaliCanadianDude

    Another low functioning boonie hick agreeing. Case and point. . Exactly my point. These turds seem to think they’re actually smart lol when they’re at the level of negroids. None of these basement dwellers have anything close to her IQ, She’s at least 2.5 SD above them when it comes to intelligence

  321. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @ben tillman

    She's in the high 120s based on her Engineering degree, and two masters from Oxford and King's. LOL no way in hell you or 99.9% of people here have IQs in the mid 130s.


    This is exactly why people call white trashionalists dumb. It's because you are. You confirmed it yourself with that braindead comment of yours. J Taylor is an exception

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

    She’s in the high 120s based on her Engineering degree, and two masters from Oxford and King’s. LOL no way in hell you or 99.9% of people here have IQs in the mid 130s.

    I didn’t make that claim. You claimed 99.9% of us are less intelligent than she. Mid-120s would be about the median for Steve’s commentariat, with some of us (as well as Steve) being far above that.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @ben tillman

    Ben's comment just might take the cake as the dumbest claim ever made on the iSteve blog. He sincerely believes that the commenters have an average IQ of 124-125.Or something like that. Dear God the self-delusion.

  322. @Cagey Beast
    @ben tillman

    Your fellow citizens.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    When and why?

  323. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @ben tillman

    She's in the high 120s based on her Engineering degree, and two masters from Oxford and King's. LOL no way in hell you or 99.9% of people here have IQs in the mid 130s.


    This is exactly why people call white trashionalists dumb. It's because you are. You confirmed it yourself with that braindead comment of yours. J Taylor is an exception

    Replies: @ben tillman, @ben tillman

    She’s in the high 120s based on her Engineering degree, and two masters from Oxford and King’s. LOL no way in hell you or 99.9% of people here have IQs in the mid 130s.

    This is exactly why people call white trashionalists dumb. It’s because you are.

    No, it’s because you’re a racist piece of shit. And an idiot to boot.

  324. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @ben tillman

    Wrong, they consume the least welfare compared to every ethnic group, and they contribute more taxes commensurate to population. something like 7 percent of overall tax revenue, event though we are like 5 percent. and thats including all the dumb Hmong, Vietnamese and Cambodian refugees, as well yes, some dumb other groups ;)

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Wrong, they consume the least welfare compared to every ethnic group, and they contribute more taxes commensurate to population. something like 7 percent of overall tax revenue, event though we are like 5 percent.

    Immigrants and illegal aliens constitute more than 20% of the US population (not 5%!), and their welfare usage and demand on other public services (including public scho0ols) is greater than that of natives. Most immigrants, like you, are parasites.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @ben tillman

    Unintelligent trailer hick is conflating every immigrant group. You know who's the real parasites? You and the rest of the hicks over in flyover country. Leech off the other states lolz. Asians are overcontributors.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  325. @Desiderius
    @megabar


    If you re-read my comments in this thread, but without being clouded by rage, I think you’ll see this.
     
    I see that you're so terrified of criticizing even a brazenly meretricious woman of color that you run for your both sides binky in the very next sentence.

    Replies: @megabar

    > I see that you’re so terrified of criticizing even a brazenly meretricious woman of color

    Ah, I see you finally understand what my original post was saying. That’s progress.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @megabar

    I understood all along. You have yet to do likewise.

  326. @megabar
    @Desiderius

    > I see that you’re so terrified of criticizing even a brazenly meretricious woman of color

    Ah, I see you finally understand what my original post was saying. That's progress.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I understood all along. You have yet to do likewise.

  327. @ThreeCranes
    @Anon


    Has she literally even said one thing that yet that referenced anything empirical at all?
     
    No.

    "Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion.” Hume

    Replies: @Desiderius, @BB753

    One of the greatest quotes in the history of Western thought! It’s sad to see how much B.S. has been said and written (and published!) for the last hundred years or so.
    If I had to choose a title for a book reviewing Western thought in the last hundred years it would be this: “From Freud to Gender Theory: a Hundred Years of Deceit and Obfuscation”

  328. @ben tillman
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    Wrong, they consume the least welfare compared to every ethnic group, and they contribute more taxes commensurate to population. something like 7 percent of overall tax revenue, event though we are like 5 percent.
     
    Immigrants and illegal aliens constitute more than 20% of the US population (not 5%!), and their welfare usage and demand on other public services (including public scho0ols) is greater than that of natives. Most immigrants, like you, are parasites.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    Unintelligent trailer hick is conflating every immigrant group. You know who’s the real parasites? You and the rest of the hicks over in flyover country. Leech off the other states lolz. Asians are overcontributors.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Asians are undercontributors. Everything they produce here depends on their being allowed to use someone else's capital for free. Asians in this country are moochers and, when the price of the capital they use is factored in, produce less than they consume.

  329. @ben tillman
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    She’s in the high 120s based on her Engineering degree, and two masters from Oxford and King’s. LOL no way in hell you or 99.9% of people here have IQs in the mid 130s.
     
    I didn't make that claim. You claimed 99.9% of us are less intelligent than she. Mid-120s would be about the median for Steve's commentariat, with some of us (as well as Steve) being far above that.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    Ben’s comment just might take the cake as the dumbest claim ever made on the iSteve blog. He sincerely believes that the commenters have an average IQ of 124-125.Or something like that. Dear God the self-delusion.

  330. Median, not average. Average would be higher.

  331. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @ben tillman

    Unintelligent trailer hick is conflating every immigrant group. You know who's the real parasites? You and the rest of the hicks over in flyover country. Leech off the other states lolz. Asians are overcontributors.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Asians are undercontributors. Everything they produce here depends on their being allowed to use someone else’s capital for free. Asians in this country are moochers and, when the price of the capital they use is factored in, produce less than they consume.

  332. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Nicholas Stix

    Sounds a lot like jealousy from a lower wigger un-succesful in life. There is no proof that she is an Affirmative action applicant, and the phenomena only exists covertly in support of blacks, if there is any in the UK. Oxford is fiercely secretive about their admission system. Again I will reiterate...She's smarter than everybody here LOL. Must hurt knowing that a non white is superior intellectually from your comments hah. The UK doesn't even have it so LOL whenever a low IQ yank mentions that


    You can really feel the envy and rage 😂

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    Look up “ad hominem,” you pathetic, racist fool.

    Also, get something for your toxically high level of self-esteem.

    There are many people on this thread, including yours truly, who are smarter than Angela Saini.

    And that’s “phenomenon,” not “phenomena,” but I guess you’re one of those geniuses who are above grammar.

  333. Hey – just got an “agree” from Nicholas Stix! So there!

    Your fantasy dne our reality.

    Every day, a new abbreviation. DNE…does not erase?

    …his general character…is more or less highly functioning autism…

    Well, possibly – I’ll have to think about that. At first blush, I’d say that Hume was about a hundred times more highly functioning then me – and about a hundred times less autistic.

  334. @Nicholas Stix
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Members of affirmative action groups are in great danger today when walking around on Western antiversity campuses. Administrators stand on campus hills and toss, frisbee-style, degrees—b.s., more s, piled high and dry—laminated on wood at every AA passerby. Thus, AA group members must wear motorcycle helmets at all times on campus.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Edward

    Affirmative action isn’t practiced in the UK — especially not at Oxford and Cambridge, which is why they have been hounded for years by black lawmakers. Oxford and Cambridge admit British Chinese and British Indian students at far higher rates than white students, who in turn are admitted at far higher rates than black students.

    Having said that, they are now thinking of practicing class-based affirmative action, especially for white working-class boys and girls.

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