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Two years ago in Virginia Beach, a municipal worker resigned from his job and then immediately murdered 12 of his now ex-coworkers and wounded five others before the cops killed him. This case didn’t get all that much publicity from the mainstream media because the shooter was black.

(This case is an exception to Sailer’s Law of Mass Shootings: more killed than wounded is usually the case of a nonblack shooter while more wounded than killed implies a black shooter.)

Nor did it get all that much play from the dissident media because while the black killer murdered 9 whites he also murdered 3 of his fellow blacks, so the evidence is not overwhelming that he was motivated by anti-white racism.

Obviously, if the shooter had been white and 9 of his 12 fatal victims were black, there would have been hundreds of op-eds in the mainstream media about White Supremacy, just as the Atlanta massage parlor shooter’s body count of 6 Asians and 2 whites drove the prestige press nuts with anti-white hate. But the far right media tends to hold itself to higher standards of evidence than inflammatory clickbait outlets like the New York Times and Washington Post.

From the Washington Post news section:

‘No evidence’: Motive of Virginia Beach mass shooter remains a mystery, report finds

By Peter Jamison
March 24, 2021 at 1:45 p.m. PDT

After nearly two years spent searching for an explanation of why a city worker entered a government building in Virginia Beach and killed 12 people, officials on Wednesday released a report summarizing what they had learned: nothing. …

But some relatives of the victims rejected that conclusion, arguing that there is sufficient evidence to show Craddock was spurred by long-festering grievances against his co-workers and supervisors. He had struggled on the job and complained of mistreatment, and in the weeks leading up to the shooting, he was dealing with a vendor payment problem in which the city attorney’s office had become involved.

Maybe he embezzled some money and knew he was going to be caught?

“They know the motive. We know the motive,” said Debbie Borato, whose sister Missy Langer was killed. “The shooter, and I’m not forgiving him by any means … somebody there pushed him over the edge.”

… Craddock purchased six guns legally between 2006 and 2019, and he had repeatedly passed firearms-related background checks, according to the Wednesday report. He had last renewed his permit to carry a concealed handgun in 2016.

While they failed to establish a direct cause for the violence, police identified sources of discontent and possible emotional disturbance in Craddock’s life, at home and at work. In 2017, he went through a divorce and was cited for poor job performance. His ex-wife told investigators that he “exhibited signs of paranoia and relayed that he believed others were talking about him,” according to the report.

… In an incident “several years before the shooting,” Craddock, who was Black, had also complained to a supervisor that a co-worker had used “an extremely offensive racial slur” toward him. The supervisor investigated but could not substantiate the allegation, which the co-worker denied, the report states.

This is a pattern I first noticed in the Omar Thornton beer distributor shooting a decade ago in which a black worker murdered eight white co-workers, claiming they were racist, and saw again at the 2020 Molson Brewery case where a black worker murdered four whites and one Mexican: the cops wind up spending a lot of time investigating whether the victims had it coming for being racist toward the shooter.

Nobody in America ever investigates whether our current culture of anti-white hate ever tips some blacks over the edge.

 
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  1. During the brief window where America’s wokest voices were publicly tearing their hair over the racist attack on Jussie Smollett and insinuating that white racists were hunting black men down for sport, this Chicagoland black gentleman shot and killed five of his coworkers. Four white and one hispanic, I believe.

    It wasn’t a big deal to the media, either.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/aurora-illinois-gunman-who-fatally-shot-5-vowed-kill-all-n999571

    • Thanks: Polistra
  2. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    “the cops wind up spending a lot of time investigating whether the victims had it coming for being racist toward the shooter.”

    Snark all you want but this is a very real problem in the workplace and shows how white supremacy is an evil unto even white people.

    Many People of Colour I have spoken to have expressed empathy with rare (as compared to white male) Shooters of Color and that they understand the frustration of having to deal with the rudeness selfishness cruelty and pettiness of white people.

    Maybe we should take some time and reflect on how our attitudes and behaviors hurt People of Color and unfortunately push them to do things out of despair.

    • Troll: GeneralRipper, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Anon

    Good grief .

    , @New Dealer
    @Anon

    Anon 200. Everyone suffers! Rich, poor, black, white, male, female, and on. We are born limited beings each of whom will eventually die. Some enjoy the privilege of blaming their suffering on imaginary monsters like systemic racism. That stunts their lives because, rather than stepping up and taking responsibility for bettering their attitudes and opportunities, they blame, blame, blame others for their finitude.

    A white male is privileged in one way. He can't blame imaginary monsters. If, for example, others are rude to him, he has to get over it and move on to greater strengths and accomplishments.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0030/4227/9494/products/solid-snake-01-amazon_d01bd637-c65e-4933-af15-eaeb1b89db87_1500x.progressive.jpg?v=1611082441

  3. I think you meant “tips some whites over the edge”?

    “Nobody in America ever investigates whether our current culture of anti-white hate ever tips some blacks over the edge.”

  4. The Washington Navy Yard shooting also shows negroes, when launching an attack on their place of employment, tend to be more focused. Perhaps because they know they there is no way back and they will either be shot to death themselves or spend the rest of their life in prison.

    OTOH firing a bunch of bullets into a crowd of negroes affords the shooter a high chance of escaping without consequence.

    • Replies: @dcthrowback
    @unit472

    tbf, both Aron and this guy (and the most recent dude in CO) all were reportedly paranoid (schizophrenics?). This seems to be a common trait amongst today's spree killers: hearing voices, paranoia, etc.

    The conspiratorial side of me notes this and wants to know if they had any contacts w/ 3 letter agencies or doctors who proscribed them medication who did as well. Our man in CO had contacts w/ the FBI, for example.

    Just because you're paranoid does not mean they're not out to get you.

  5. Speaking of mass shootings… They’ve shot up churches, synagogues, Sikh temples, and mosques. But has anyone shot up a Mass?

    Even the crazed killers don’t take Rome seriously anymore!

    • LOL: Luzzatto
    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Mormons, The Hindus, The Buddhists, and The Scientologists have also been able to avoid the wrath of mass shooters in The U.S!

    Replies: @donut

  6. Even if all 12 victims of the Black mass shooter had been White, The Democrat Run Mainstream Media still would not have labeled it a hate crime!

    • Agree: WhiteWinger
  7. The Forgotten Mass Shooting in Virginia Beach

    The shooting might have been “forgotten” by the national press, but in fairness it has not been forgotten by the liberal Democratic powers-that-be in Virginia, who made a significant pitch for gun control just last year. Indeed, they got some of what they wanted but enough opposition was mobilized to a proposed ban on semi-automatic rifles that it failed.

    However, the subject of who/whom is not irrelevant when it comes to how mass shootings are employed by the propagandists for advancing the political narrative. The Vegas shooting seems to have been similarly memory-holed by the national media, perhaps because the alleged perpetrator Paddock may have had ties to the government, because there were too many holes in the official story, and because the victims were white redneck country music fans.

    Conversely, the mass shootings that have been used most effectively for political purposes by the media are the ones in which there were Jewish victims — Newtown, Parkland, and the Tucson/Gabby Giffords shooting.

    Nobody mentions anymore the fact that six people were murdered in the Tucson incident, including the sitting Federal judge John Roll. Roll was a Gentile, however; the more important story is not that the judge was murdered but that the Jewess Gifford was wounded.

    • Agree: mark green
  8. Somebody took Rome seriously enough to burn down Notre Dame Cathedral.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    Somebody took Rome seriously enough to burn down Notre Dame Cathedral.
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/aa/cc/abaacc286d98c3e0c6f090284197cab4.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Whiskey, @Franz, @Pericles, @Pericles

  9. @Reg Cæsar
    Speaking of mass shootings... They've shot up churches, synagogues, Sikh temples, and mosques. But has anyone shot up a Mass?

    Even the crazed killers don't take Rome seriously anymore!

    Replies: @Luzzatto

    The Mormons, The Hindus, The Buddhists, and The Scientologists have also been able to avoid the wrath of mass shooters in The U.S!

    • Replies: @donut
    @Luzzatto

    Not so : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waddell_Buddhist_temple_shooting

  10. There was that bizarre murder of the young white TV news crew back in 2015.

    The perpetrator, who had filed an EEOC complaint after being fired by the station, claimed to have also been incited by the Dylan Roof shooting – or, more accurately, by the way Obama and the news media hyped it up.

  11. @Hibernian
    Somebody took Rome seriously enough to burn down Notre Dame Cathedral.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Somebody took Rome seriously enough to burn down Notre Dame Cathedral.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sorry dude, but "Hanlon's Fucking Razor" has been used against me, and it is illegitimate.

    Malice and stupidity often occur together, thus clouding the issue.

    It is far more reasonable to assume malice. You can be stupid and still bear malice, but if you just bear malice, that does not, in fact seldom does, indicate stupidity.

    If you don't assume malice, then you are siding with those who excuse bad behavior. Practically nobody is stupid enough to do the shit we are seeing without also bearing malice. It is pure malice.

    Stick with Occam.

    Now, to be honest, I myself have referred to our wold as the literary "Confederacy of Dunces," so I do hold out a minor possibility that you are correct. Shall we agree that it is both? That's my best conclusion, kind of like Steve Sailer's 50/50 nature/nurture.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Whiskey
    @Reg Cæsar

    There was a beheading of an elderly priest in Normandy during Mass by Muslims.

    They are heroes to Muslims worldwide. Pope Francis was forced to declare the priest a martyr.

    , @Franz
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hanlon (or was it Heinlein?) was never a cop, a store loss prevention specialist, or even a security guard for a factory. It's ALWAYS malice. Stupidity is highly overrated when it comes to the world since 2001.

    Dumb is mostly harmless. Maybe in Hanlon's time it was different; let's be charitable.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @res

    , @Pericles
    @Reg Cæsar

    I take it Hanlon is not malicious?

    , @Pericles
    @Reg Cæsar

    Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is Hanlon's razor, four times is Hanlon's razor, five times is Hanlon's razor, six times is Hanlon's razor, ninety nine bottles of beer on the wall.

  12. Let’s just face it – no one, including other Whites, the msm, our rulers, give a crap if one or a hundred of their fellow Whites get blown away or worse. It’s just another day in America, the cost of doing business while just trying to live your life. We’re expendable and we’d better wake to that fact pdq.

    • Agree: WhiteWinger
  13. One of the worst mass shootings in American history occurred in Virginia in 2007 and was committed by a Korean dude named, Seung-Hui Cho. The shooter killed 32 and wounded 17 others. Have to check the race of the victims. I honestly can’t remember if the anti-White media tried to put the same spin on this one like they have the Atlanta shooting.

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
    @Trinity


    Have to check the race of the victims
     
    The killer was fairly equal opportunity in his targets, though he seems to have fixated on a Caucasian female student (the first victim) for some imagined spurn of his romantic interest.

    https://thesource.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/vt-victims.jpg

    Replies: @rexl

    , @Stan Adams
    @Trinity

    Here are some newscasts covering the Virginia Tech massacre:



    April 16 (day of massacre):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66lLF6G3akI

    April 17 (day after)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wZcKVcag_0

    April 18 (featuring Cho's manifesto)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax-CQXr9buQ

    April 19
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUdFE1_NGuY

    April 20
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2oVZyhe1aE

  14. Nobody in America ever investigates whether our current culture of anti-white hate ever tips some blacks over the edge.

    Genocide is possible when the murders of the out group are underreported. Whites in the US, Palestinians in occupied Palestine … officially no one cares.

    • Troll: Luzzatto
  15. anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:

    There is a rising tide of anti-White violence.

    • Replies: @WhiteWinger
    @anonymous

    Since the 196660s....

  16. In my opinion it’s a waste of time looking for a motive except to determine if the killing was an act of self defense. If a crime was committed we need less psychotherapy and more emphasis on restitution which is more important than rehabilitation.

    • Agree: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Enemy of Earth

    How do you get restitution from a ghetto rat? What is needed more is public retribution as a deterrent. Say what you will about Muslim societies, but it seems to work pretty well in them.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Enemy of Earth

    I agree, but would change one word


    restitution
     
    should be retribution.

    In the vast majority of these cases what is taken can never be restored.
    Certainly not by the Youth's, Teens, Joggers or whatever the synonym du jour is for these people.
    , @Nico
    @Enemy of Earth


    [I]t’s a waste of time looking for a motive except to determine if the killing was an act of self defense.
     
    Competent prosecutors are aware of this fact. The classic textbook example is the Susan Smith case, where an incompetent prosecution team tried to show a motive for her drowning of her two children. In reality all they needed to show to ask for capital punishment was first-degree murder. I'm not an attorney but from what I understand of South Carolina law of the time this meant they had only to prove premeditation, that the thought that she would kill her children that day in that way had even crossed her mind before she did so.

    By seeking out a motive they created an opening for the defense team to craft a sympathetic narrative (such as it was) based on a torturous, abusive childhood. Gross as it is, she enlisted her mother and stepfather to help by admitting her stepfather had sexually molested her. And the jury fell for it. Smith is still alive, she has had documented affairs with a certain number of prison guards and female fellow inmates and she apparently has a sugar daddy male hibristophile waiting for her for when she is paroled.
  17. cops wind up spending a lot of time investigating whether the victims had it coming for being racist toward the shooter.

    Cops, investigators, district attorneys, you name it. Their work is complicated by the fact that black people know they can gain a lot of ground (especially in the media, where we try such cases now) simply by claiming that some white person used the n-word. By most people’s lights that accusation is now tantamount to an open and shut case. So of course people will claim it. All upside.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-use-of-per-capita-statistics-is-white-nationalist/#comment-4541590

    Similarly, divorce and custody cases are now replete with false accusations of physical, sexual, and emotional abuse. As well as child abuse in the uglier cases. So long as there is no penalty for false accusations, they will keep coming.

    • Replies: @Redman
    @Polistra

    This is a perfect illustration of why the whole concept of “hate laws” is a big mistake. It’s about the most “void for vagueness” attempt at legal redress I can think of.

    Does anyone know if this issue has reached the Supreme Court? I can’t think of a case off the top of my head.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Polistra

    This is part of the legal game. If you've ever been served papers, someone suing you, you may have noticed this: They throw in everything, including the kitchen sink.

    Maybe a better way to describe what lawyers do when they write up the papers is "throwing their poo at the wall and watching what sticks."

    When you read what has been shoved in your face, you just have to calm down and remind yourself that most of what is in there is pure bullshit and the lawyer who wrote it knows it.

  18. anon[177] • Disclaimer says:

    With the endless admissions at the border to replace white American labor, one can see why congress wants to surround itself with the National Guard, fences, and razor wire. Just wait till they start shipping jobs back to China and any other newly prepared country that will allow its people to be worked marathon hours at the lowest pay imaginable with the laxest environmental and safety standards. I imagine a war is in our future also.

    So what does our Establishment do? Why call us racist of course, and accuse us all of an insurrection. They want you scared to go march on Washington because they know they are going to be angering you to no end. They have to make up for time lost to the Trump years.

    • Agree: GeneralRipper
  19. Remember when Colin Ferguson shot twenty white people on the Train, killing 6 whites. Police found a scribbled note in his pocket with the heading “reasons for this”. One of the reasons was “racism by Caucasians”. His lawyers proposed an innovative defense; Ferguson had been driven to temporary insanity by a psychiatric condition they termed “black rage.” They argued Ferguson had been driven insane by racial prejudice, and could not be held criminally liable for his actions.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri, Sean
    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Travis

    "Whitey done turned his brain to s*it;
    Therefore you must acquit."
    --The Ferguson Corollary

  20. Always wear your safety belt while driving. This gentleman from Pakistan thought he had a way to foil a vibrant teenage carjacking in Washington DC. Or maybe he just reacted badly to the stun gun they used.

    https://nypost.com/2021/03/24/two-teen-girls-charged-with-murder-in-carjacking-death-of-uber-eats-driver/

    Are the National Guard patrolling our cities now?
    Frankly–who knows–it may be a good idea.
    Until they’re defunded anyway.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Polistra

    You have to dig at WashPost to find it. It's nearly down the rabbithole already. Thanks.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Polistra

    So it's 2021, and a 66-year old Pakistani grandfather is killed by people even more vibrant than his own people*.

    "Anwar, a father and grandfather, emigrated from Pakistan to the US in 2014, his family told the news station."

    So at the youngest, he couldn't have been less than 59 when he emigrated - a man with the vital delivery-driver skillset of which the US is so short.

    How the hell does that work? Even with an in-demand skill, try getting into Australia once you are over 50. Is the US that easy to get into?

    Or is there another story here of arriving as a tourist and forgetting to leave? Any one know?


    *
    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/19187240.batley-grammar-teacher-suspended-muhammad-cartoon/


    A teacher has been suspended after using a cartoon of the prophet Muhammad during a religious studies lesson at a West Yorkshire school.

    The image was used during a lesson at Batley Grammar School, and triggered more than 100 people, including some students, to protest outside the school this morning.

    Both the school and teacher have apologised “unequivocally” for the incident, and the school said this portion of its religious studies curriculum has been stopped.

    The road around the school had to be cordoned off by police due to the protest, and officers were also on the scene by the school gates.
     
    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/resources/images/12446008.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  21. the cops wind up spending a lot of time investigating whether the victims had it coming for being racist toward the shooter.

    Or we could use Occam’s razor and state the obvious conclusion – racist black hates whites.

  22. do Democrats ever call for massive new gun control when a brother shoots up the place? serious question, not being sarcastic.

    it seems they save that for the rare instances of a competent pale penis person going ballistic.

    i guess the muslim rifle shooters have forced them into a third option – it’s not the muslims, it’s the guns. disarm all the truck driving, Trump voting rural guys.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @prime noticer


    disarm all the truck driving, Trump voting rural guys.
     
    Your comment brought to mind something I kinda knew but didn't. While musing on the fact that Peloton, whose product is an exercise bike strapped to an iphone, now has a market cap greater than that of Ford, maker of the best selling auto in the US for the past 39 years, I looked up just what were the top sellers.
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g32006077/best-selling-cars-2020/

    There are a hell of a lot of truck drivers who'll be looking for a Trump to vote for.

    The list for the UK makes an interesting contrast. Not a truck to be seen.
    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-9110511/What-20-best-selling-cars-vans-2020.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  23. While we’re on the subject, no one ever seems to have looked into what specific experiences Dylann Roof had prior to his outbreak.

    I’ve always wondered about that.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Colin Wright

    There's an unprovable theory that he wanted to kill one guy, who was an activist local politician attempting to bring in a city-destroying BLM riot. Had that been allowed to succeed, it would provide a cutting counterexample to those cities which did suffer BLM riots. It might even lead to more anti-terrorist vigilantism. This theory has the advantage of lining up with and explaining his statements in the interview (which used to be on YouTube).

  24. “I’m not forgiving him by any means”

    If someone iced my sister, I would forgive him immediately.

    Anyway, this is another reminder that anti-white spree killings can have silver linings. The one in Fresno in 2017 claimed the life of one Zachary Randalls, whose Facebook cover photo at the time of his death showed Richard Spencer getting sucker punched with the caption “We Punch Nazis.” The page (and photo) were still up a few months ago but I deleted Facebook and I’m having trouble finding the profile on google; otherwise I would share the link here.

  25. But the question begged is why blacks feel they have the right to shoot anyone for not according them the respect they deserve. Before the current madness, it was commonly held that calling someone a name, irrespective of how vile or despicable, was not grounds for murdering that person. That used to be the Law, in fact. The current discussion holds to the unspoken presumption that if you dis a colored person then they have the right to kill you; all that’s needed to prove their right to do so is show that the victim really and truly blasphemed the annointed.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri, ic1000
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @ThreeCranes

    > if you dis a colored person then they have the right to kill you; all that’s needed to prove their right to do so is show that the victim really and truly blasphemed stands accused of blaspheming the anointed.

    The principle can be applied generally. Judge Kavanaugh should've been on his knees, thanking Professor Ford. She had every right to ventilate him.

  26. OT: I don’t know what to make of the poetry by the mayor of Charlottesville.

    Instapundit thinks she may be trying to escape a corruption investigation.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @wren

    RT has this:

    Charlottesville mayor posts bizarre X-rated ‘poem’ saying city ‘rapes’ its residents


    The mayor of Charlottesville, Virginia has turned heads after posting graphic poetry on her social media accounts, with lines about how the city “rapes” its citizens condemned as “X-rated” and inappropriate for a public official.

    Mayor Nikuyah Walker took to her Facebook page on Wednesday with a poem – apparently her own work – describing the city with bizarre, sexually-explicit metaphors.
     
    Being mayor must be a hard slog.

    The post soon caused a stir, not only with netizens but with Facebook itself, which promptly deleted the poem for violating the platform’s standards “on adult sexual exploitation,” and temporarily locked Walker out of her account.

    However, the platform inexplicably reversed the move soon thereafter. The mayor quickly declared she was “out of FB jail,” adding “I guess my post didn’t violate their policies.” The original post was reinstated.

     

    Well, it's not a "poem", just the usual black explainer.

    Though the mayor has not backed down amid the criticism, she did post a longer, marginally less vulgar version of her poem in apparent bid to appease her detractors – or at least “the person who reported my short poem to FB.”

     

    Sorry, Madame Mayor. That was a "flitering algorithm", or "AI" in marketing-speak.

    Not exactly Samuel Delany writing Dhalgren

    to wound the autumnal city.
    So howled out for the world to give him a name.
    The in-dark answered with wind.
    All you know I know: careening astronauts and bank clerks glancing at the clock before lunch; actresses cowling at light-ringed mirrors and freight elevator operators grinding a thumbful of grease on a steel handle; student riots; know that dark women in bodegas shook their heads last week because in six months prices have risen outlandishly; how coffee tastes after you've held it in your mouth, cold, a whole minute.
    A whole minute he squatted, pebbles clutched with his left foot (the bare one), listening to his breath sound tumble down the ledges.
    Beyond a leafy arras, reflected moonlight flittered.
    He rubbed his palms against denim. Where he was, was still. Somewhere else, wind whined.
    The leaves winked.
    What had been wind was a motion in brush below. His hand went to the rock behind.
    She stood up, two dozen feet down and away, wearing only shadows the moon dropped from the viney maple; moved, and the shadows moved on her.

    ...

    This hand full of crumpled leaves.
    It would be better than here. Just in the like that, if you can't remember any more if. I want to know but I can't see are you up there. I don't have a lot of strength now. The sky is stripped. I am too weak to write much. But I still hear them walking in the trees; not speaking. Waiting here, away from the terrifying weaponry, out of the halls of vapor and light, beyond holland and into the hills, I have come to

     

    Replies: @Polistra, @iDeplorable

    , @ic1000
    @wren

    Charlottesville (pop. 47,000) is about 71% white, 19% black, and 7% Asian.

    These folks elected Nikuyah Walker as their Poet Laureate, so that she can lead their struggle sessions. Good for them. Within the week, Lester Holt will feed this story to Flyover Country as an Inspiring America segment.

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @wren

    Wow, that's David Allan Coe level poetry.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/OutlawCountry/comments/jzuehm/david_allan_coe_cum_stains_on_the_pillow/

    , @Redman
    @wren

    Well, I always heard that “Virginia is for lovers.” Sounds like the fine mayor was just expanding on a successful marketing campaign in her own way.

  27. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    Somebody took Rome seriously enough to burn down Notre Dame Cathedral.
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/aa/cc/abaacc286d98c3e0c6f090284197cab4.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Whiskey, @Franz, @Pericles, @Pericles

    Sorry dude, but “Hanlon’s Fucking Razor” has been used against me, and it is illegitimate.

    Malice and stupidity often occur together, thus clouding the issue.

    It is far more reasonable to assume malice. You can be stupid and still bear malice, but if you just bear malice, that does not, in fact seldom does, indicate stupidity.

    If you don’t assume malice, then you are siding with those who excuse bad behavior. Practically nobody is stupid enough to do the shit we are seeing without also bearing malice. It is pure malice.

    Stick with Occam.

    Now, to be honest, I myself have referred to our wold as the literary “Confederacy of Dunces,” so I do hold out a minor possibility that you are correct. Shall we agree that it is both? That’s my best conclusion, kind of like Steve Sailer’s 50/50 nature/nurture.

    • Agree: Redman
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk

    In the case of Notre-Dame, there was enough malice in the employment of cheap, incompetent, indifferent foreigners.

  28. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    Somebody took Rome seriously enough to burn down Notre Dame Cathedral.
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/aa/cc/abaacc286d98c3e0c6f090284197cab4.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Whiskey, @Franz, @Pericles, @Pericles

    There was a beheading of an elderly priest in Normandy during Mass by Muslims.

    They are heroes to Muslims worldwide. Pope Francis was forced to declare the priest a martyr.

  29. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sorry dude, but "Hanlon's Fucking Razor" has been used against me, and it is illegitimate.

    Malice and stupidity often occur together, thus clouding the issue.

    It is far more reasonable to assume malice. You can be stupid and still bear malice, but if you just bear malice, that does not, in fact seldom does, indicate stupidity.

    If you don't assume malice, then you are siding with those who excuse bad behavior. Practically nobody is stupid enough to do the shit we are seeing without also bearing malice. It is pure malice.

    Stick with Occam.

    Now, to be honest, I myself have referred to our wold as the literary "Confederacy of Dunces," so I do hold out a minor possibility that you are correct. Shall we agree that it is both? That's my best conclusion, kind of like Steve Sailer's 50/50 nature/nurture.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    In the case of Notre-Dame, there was enough malice in the employment of cheap, incompetent, indifferent foreigners.

  30. OT but there’s an interesting reference to a perfect ACT score in the background of the man in whose Chicago flat bomb-making paraphernalia has been found, apparently:

    https://cwbchicago.com/2021/03/explosives-discovered-in-streeterville-apartment-nearly-17-hours-after-police-found-man-dead-inside.html

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Cortes

    The article reveals that police showed up for the wellness check at 11:00. It doesn’t say how many hours before then did the dad first call.

    .. not just anyone can get in to MIT.

  31. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    Somebody took Rome seriously enough to burn down Notre Dame Cathedral.
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/aa/cc/abaacc286d98c3e0c6f090284197cab4.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Whiskey, @Franz, @Pericles, @Pericles

    Hanlon (or was it Heinlein?) was never a cop, a store loss prevention specialist, or even a security guard for a factory. It’s ALWAYS malice. Stupidity is highly overrated when it comes to the world since 2001.

    Dumb is mostly harmless. Maybe in Hanlon’s time it was different; let’s be charitable.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Franz

    Agree, stupidity is a kind of malice, and it's unforgivable sophistry to shrug at somebody attacking you because of "why" nonsense -- if were taking the attack seriously you'd stop it, you wouldn't quibble about motive.

    , @res
    @Franz


    Hanlon (or was it Heinlein?)
     
    There is an interesting nuance here. Is the Hanlon version a way to make people less suspicious of the malicious among us?

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17904981

    That’s Hanlon’s Razor, Heinlein’s is, “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity, but don’t rule out malice.”

    In both an element people often overlook is the keyword adequately. Sure anything can be attributed to stupidity, but in many cases it’s too beneficial to the “stupid” party and/or too persistent to be adequately explained by something other than malice.
     
    Much discussion of these razors at
    https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/7ochr2/til_of_hanlons_razor_which_states_never_attribute/

    Replies: @Franz

  32. In an incident “several years before the shooting,” Craddock, who was Black, had also complained to a supervisor that a co-worker had used “an extremely offensive racial slur” toward him. The supervisor investigated but could not substantiate the allegation, which the co-worker denied, the report states.

    Probably called him “Jogger”. That’s something that keeps festering for several years for sure.

    Meanwhile, news from “A Defamation League”:

    ‘White supremacist’ propaganda incidents nearly DOUBLED across US in 2020 – report

    The US saw a major spike in white supremacist and anti-LGBTQ propaganda last year, hitting a record level, a report by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has said.

    Last year, the country saw a record number of incidents related to dissemination of such propaganda, with the group registering 5,125 cases. (FUUU!) The new report was released by the New York-based Jewish advocacy group on Wednesday.

    The figure turned out to be nearly two times higher than in 2019, when some 2,700 such incidents were registered. At the same time, the number of incidents on college campuses dropped by more than half, “perhaps due to Covid restrictions,” the report says.

    “The barrage of propaganda, which overwhelmingly features veiled white supremacist language with a patriotic slant, is an effort to normalize white supremacists’ message and bolster recruitment efforts while targeting minority groups including Jews, Blacks, Muslims, non-white immigrants, and the LGBTQ community.”

    As well as Hippos!

    Palestinian naggers, however, will have to wait a bit more for someone to take up their cause.

    New Jersey European Heritage Association (NJEHA) was named the second most active group spreading propaganda, with the report attributing further 508 incidents to it. Unlike the Patriot Front, the NJEHA has been spreading rather crude and overtly neo-Nazi materials including such slogans as “Antifa is a Jewish communist militia,” “Black Crimes Matter” and “Reject White Guilt”, according to the report.

    Because of course, among other things, you have to accept White Guilt. Have YOU transferred money for the Holocaust reparation fund today? No matter, your government will do it for you. It will also, support Nazis in Ukraine. It’s for your own good, really.

    But in the end, I’m not sure about the troll readout on my tricorder after “overtly neo-Nazi materials”.

    Anyway, beware the white A4-sized pages bearing no messages. (A4 = “Aryanist Aryan Army Assembly”)

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @El Dato


    a major spike in propaganda last year,
     
    In all fairness, I did ramp up my posting activity on iSteve a bit.
  33. What do you mean with “far right media”?

  34. @Luzzatto
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Mormons, The Hindus, The Buddhists, and The Scientologists have also been able to avoid the wrath of mass shooters in The U.S!

    Replies: @donut

  35. @wren
    OT: I don't know what to make of the poetry by the mayor of Charlottesville.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/mayor_of_charlottesville_03-24-2021-1.jpg

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/mayor_of_charlottesville_03-24-2021-2.jpg

    Instapundit thinks she may be trying to escape a corruption investigation.

    Replies: @El Dato, @ic1000, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Redman

    RT has this:

    Charlottesville mayor posts bizarre X-rated ‘poem’ saying city ‘rapes’ its residents

    The mayor of Charlottesville, Virginia has turned heads after posting graphic poetry on her social media accounts, with lines about how the city “rapes” its citizens condemned as “X-rated” and inappropriate for a public official.

    Mayor Nikuyah Walker took to her Facebook page on Wednesday with a poem – apparently her own work – describing the city with bizarre, sexually-explicit metaphors.

    Being mayor must be a hard slog.

    The post soon caused a stir, not only with netizens but with Facebook itself, which promptly deleted the poem for violating the platform’s standards “on adult sexual exploitation,” and temporarily locked Walker out of her account.

    However, the platform inexplicably reversed the move soon thereafter. The mayor quickly declared she was “out of FB jail,” adding “I guess my post didn’t violate their policies.” The original post was reinstated.

    Well, it’s not a “poem”, just the usual black explainer.

    Though the mayor has not backed down amid the criticism, she did post a longer, marginally less vulgar version of her poem in apparent bid to appease her detractors – or at least “the person who reported my short poem to FB.”

    Sorry, Madame Mayor. That was a “flitering algorithm”, or “AI” in marketing-speak.

    Not exactly Samuel Delany writing Dhalgren

    to wound the autumnal city.
    So howled out for the world to give him a name.
    The in-dark answered with wind.
    All you know I know: careening astronauts and bank clerks glancing at the clock before lunch; actresses cowling at light-ringed mirrors and freight elevator operators grinding a thumbful of grease on a steel handle; student riots; know that dark women in bodegas shook their heads last week because in six months prices have risen outlandishly; how coffee tastes after you’ve held it in your mouth, cold, a whole minute.
    A whole minute he squatted, pebbles clutched with his left foot (the bare one), listening to his breath sound tumble down the ledges.
    Beyond a leafy arras, reflected moonlight flittered.
    He rubbed his palms against denim. Where he was, was still. Somewhere else, wind whined.
    The leaves winked.
    What had been wind was a motion in brush below. His hand went to the rock behind.
    She stood up, two dozen feet down and away, wearing only shadows the moon dropped from the viney maple; moved, and the shadows moved on her.

    This hand full of crumpled leaves.
    It would be better than here. Just in the like that, if you can’t remember any more if. I want to know but I can’t see are you up there. I don’t have a lot of strength now. The sky is stripped. I am too weak to write much. But I still hear them walking in the trees; not speaking. Waiting here, away from the terrifying weaponry, out of the halls of vapor and light, beyond holland and into the hills, I have come to

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @El Dato

    Charlottesville mayor posts bizarre X-rated ‘poem’ saying city ‘rapes’ its residents
     

    She's in her fourth year as mayor. I propose that she take responsibility at some point for all this 'raping' going on in her town.

    “the person who reported my short poem to FB.”
     

    If negro-municipal-administration tradition is any guide, that 'person' had better make theyselves and they family scarce real quick. As the nemesis of Central Park Karen was heard to say, "You're not going to like what I do next."
    , @iDeplorable
    @El Dato


    Though the mayor has not backed down amid the criticism, she did post a longer, marginally less vulgar version of her poem in apparent bid to appease her detractors – or at least “the person who reported my short poem to FB.”
     
    Blacks are so tiresome.
  36. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    Somebody took Rome seriously enough to burn down Notre Dame Cathedral.
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/aa/cc/abaacc286d98c3e0c6f090284197cab4.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Whiskey, @Franz, @Pericles, @Pericles

    I take it Hanlon is not malicious?

  37. @Reg Cæsar
    @Hibernian


    Somebody took Rome seriously enough to burn down Notre Dame Cathedral.
     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/aa/cc/abaacc286d98c3e0c6f090284197cab4.jpg

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Whiskey, @Franz, @Pericles, @Pericles

    Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is Hanlon’s razor, four times is Hanlon’s razor, five times is Hanlon’s razor, six times is Hanlon’s razor, ninety nine bottles of beer on the wall.

  38. I remember this case. Black guy was, evidently, obsessed with WAWWB (working among whites while black).

  39. @El Dato

    In an incident “several years before the shooting,” Craddock, who was Black, had also complained to a supervisor that a co-worker had used “an extremely offensive racial slur” toward him. The supervisor investigated but could not substantiate the allegation, which the co-worker denied, the report states.
     
    Probably called him "Jogger". That's something that keeps festering for several years for sure.

    Meanwhile, news from "A Defamation League":

    ‘White supremacist’ propaganda incidents nearly DOUBLED across US in 2020 – report


    The US saw a major spike in white supremacist and anti-LGBTQ propaganda last year, hitting a record level, a report by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has said.

    Last year, the country saw a record number of incidents related to dissemination of such propaganda, with the group registering 5,125 cases. (FUUU!) The new report was released by the New York-based Jewish advocacy group on Wednesday.

    The figure turned out to be nearly two times higher than in 2019, when some 2,700 such incidents were registered. At the same time, the number of incidents on college campuses dropped by more than half, “perhaps due to Covid restrictions,” the report says.

    "The barrage of propaganda, which overwhelmingly features veiled white supremacist language with a patriotic slant, is an effort to normalize white supremacists’ message and bolster recruitment efforts while targeting minority groups including Jews, Blacks, Muslims, non-white immigrants, and the LGBTQ community."
     

    As well as Hippos!

    Palestinian naggers, however, will have to wait a bit more for someone to take up their cause.


    New Jersey European Heritage Association (NJEHA) was named the second most active group spreading propaganda, with the report attributing further 508 incidents to it. Unlike the Patriot Front, the NJEHA has been spreading rather crude and overtly neo-Nazi materials including such slogans as “Antifa is a Jewish communist militia,” “Black Crimes Matter” and “Reject White Guilt”, according to the report.
     
    Because of course, among other things, you have to accept White Guilt. Have YOU transferred money for the Holocaust reparation fund today? No matter, your government will do it for you. It will also, support Nazis in Ukraine. It's for your own good, really.

    But in the end, I'm not sure about the troll readout on my tricorder after "overtly neo-Nazi materials".

    Anyway, beware the white A4-sized pages bearing no messages. (A4 = "Aryanist Aryan Army Assembly")

    Replies: @Polistra

    a major spike in propaganda last year,

    In all fairness, I did ramp up my posting activity on iSteve a bit.

  40. It’s not just idle time but disconnection. People lost connections to institutions of community life, which include pools.

    Pure surrealism. Ok, I compressed the quote. But that’s all.

  41. @Colin Wright
    While we're on the subject, no one ever seems to have looked into what specific experiences Dylann Roof had prior to his outbreak.

    I've always wondered about that.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    There’s an unprovable theory that he wanted to kill one guy, who was an activist local politician attempting to bring in a city-destroying BLM riot. Had that been allowed to succeed, it would provide a cutting counterexample to those cities which did suffer BLM riots. It might even lead to more anti-terrorist vigilantism. This theory has the advantage of lining up with and explaining his statements in the interview (which used to be on YouTube).

  42. @Franz
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hanlon (or was it Heinlein?) was never a cop, a store loss prevention specialist, or even a security guard for a factory. It's ALWAYS malice. Stupidity is highly overrated when it comes to the world since 2001.

    Dumb is mostly harmless. Maybe in Hanlon's time it was different; let's be charitable.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @res

    Agree, stupidity is a kind of malice, and it’s unforgivable sophistry to shrug at somebody attacking you because of “why” nonsense — if were taking the attack seriously you’d stop it, you wouldn’t quibble about motive.

  43. @El Dato
    @wren

    RT has this:

    Charlottesville mayor posts bizarre X-rated ‘poem’ saying city ‘rapes’ its residents


    The mayor of Charlottesville, Virginia has turned heads after posting graphic poetry on her social media accounts, with lines about how the city “rapes” its citizens condemned as “X-rated” and inappropriate for a public official.

    Mayor Nikuyah Walker took to her Facebook page on Wednesday with a poem – apparently her own work – describing the city with bizarre, sexually-explicit metaphors.
     
    Being mayor must be a hard slog.

    The post soon caused a stir, not only with netizens but with Facebook itself, which promptly deleted the poem for violating the platform’s standards “on adult sexual exploitation,” and temporarily locked Walker out of her account.

    However, the platform inexplicably reversed the move soon thereafter. The mayor quickly declared she was “out of FB jail,” adding “I guess my post didn’t violate their policies.” The original post was reinstated.

     

    Well, it's not a "poem", just the usual black explainer.

    Though the mayor has not backed down amid the criticism, she did post a longer, marginally less vulgar version of her poem in apparent bid to appease her detractors – or at least “the person who reported my short poem to FB.”

     

    Sorry, Madame Mayor. That was a "flitering algorithm", or "AI" in marketing-speak.

    Not exactly Samuel Delany writing Dhalgren

    to wound the autumnal city.
    So howled out for the world to give him a name.
    The in-dark answered with wind.
    All you know I know: careening astronauts and bank clerks glancing at the clock before lunch; actresses cowling at light-ringed mirrors and freight elevator operators grinding a thumbful of grease on a steel handle; student riots; know that dark women in bodegas shook their heads last week because in six months prices have risen outlandishly; how coffee tastes after you've held it in your mouth, cold, a whole minute.
    A whole minute he squatted, pebbles clutched with his left foot (the bare one), listening to his breath sound tumble down the ledges.
    Beyond a leafy arras, reflected moonlight flittered.
    He rubbed his palms against denim. Where he was, was still. Somewhere else, wind whined.
    The leaves winked.
    What had been wind was a motion in brush below. His hand went to the rock behind.
    She stood up, two dozen feet down and away, wearing only shadows the moon dropped from the viney maple; moved, and the shadows moved on her.

    ...

    This hand full of crumpled leaves.
    It would be better than here. Just in the like that, if you can't remember any more if. I want to know but I can't see are you up there. I don't have a lot of strength now. The sky is stripped. I am too weak to write much. But I still hear them walking in the trees; not speaking. Waiting here, away from the terrifying weaponry, out of the halls of vapor and light, beyond holland and into the hills, I have come to

     

    Replies: @Polistra, @iDeplorable

    Charlottesville mayor posts bizarre X-rated ‘poem’ saying city ‘rapes’ its residents

    She’s in her fourth year as mayor. I propose that she take responsibility at some point for all this ‘raping’ going on in her town.

    “the person who reported my short poem to FB.”

    If negro-municipal-administration tradition is any guide, that ‘person’ had better make theyselves and they family scarce real quick. As the nemesis of Central Park Karen was heard to say, “You’re not going to like what I do next.”

  44. @ThreeCranes
    But the question begged is why blacks feel they have the right to shoot anyone for not according them the respect they deserve. Before the current madness, it was commonly held that calling someone a name, irrespective of how vile or despicable, was not grounds for murdering that person. That used to be the Law, in fact. The current discussion holds to the unspoken presumption that if you dis a colored person then they have the right to kill you; all that's needed to prove their right to do so is show that the victim really and truly blasphemed the annointed.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > if you dis a colored person then they have the right to kill you; all that’s needed to prove their right to do so is show that the victim really and truly blasphemed stands accused of blaspheming the anointed.

    The principle can be applied generally. Judge Kavanaugh should’ve been on his knees, thanking Professor Ford. She had every right to ventilate him.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
  45. Are you suggesting racism is a two-way street?

  46. Many of these shootings are a result of the inadequate mental health system. There should be an easier way to get people committed.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Ed

    Committed to where? The insane asylums were closed long ago. Chalk that up to judicial activism and grifting on the part of the psychocrats that used to run the mental institutions.

    , @stillCARealist
    @Ed

    I keep replying to you because your comments are so direct, but I'm afraid you're just not silly enough to generate a conversation with the autists on here.

    Anyway, the correlation between drugs, lack of mental health facilities and crime is glaringly obvious. It's an over-arching and expensive problem that will likely never be seriously discussed.

  47. @wren
    OT: I don't know what to make of the poetry by the mayor of Charlottesville.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/mayor_of_charlottesville_03-24-2021-1.jpg

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/mayor_of_charlottesville_03-24-2021-2.jpg

    Instapundit thinks she may be trying to escape a corruption investigation.

    Replies: @El Dato, @ic1000, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Redman

    Charlottesville (pop. 47,000) is about 71% white, 19% black, and 7% Asian.

    These folks elected Nikuyah Walker as their Poet Laureate, so that she can lead their struggle sessions. Good for them. Within the week, Lester Holt will feed this story to Flyover Country as an Inspiring America segment.

  48. @Polistra
    Always wear your safety belt while driving. This gentleman from Pakistan thought he had a way to foil a vibrant teenage carjacking in Washington DC. Or maybe he just reacted badly to the stun gun they used.


    https://nypost.com/2021/03/24/two-teen-girls-charged-with-murder-in-carjacking-death-of-uber-eats-driver/

    Are the National Guard patrolling our cities now?
    Frankly--who knows--it may be a good idea.
    Until they're defunded anyway.

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @YetAnotherAnon

    You have to dig at WashPost to find it. It’s nearly down the rabbithole already. Thanks.

  49. @Anon
    "the cops wind up spending a lot of time investigating whether the victims had it coming for being racist toward the shooter."

    Snark all you want but this is a very real problem in the workplace and shows how white supremacy is an evil unto even white people.

    Many People of Colour I have spoken to have expressed empathy with rare (as compared to white male) Shooters of Color and that they understand the frustration of having to deal with the rudeness selfishness cruelty and pettiness of white people.

    Maybe we should take some time and reflect on how our attitudes and behaviors hurt People of Color and unfortunately push them to do things out of despair.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @New Dealer, @Reg Cæsar

    Good grief .

  50. I’ve already mentioned this, but the mass shooting on the LIRR commuter train by enriching, vibrant, Jamaican immigrant Colin Ferguson was quickly turned into “gun violence” even though he admitted without shame that his motive was race. I remember it clearly – for about 10 minutes it seemed as though the media were actually going to cover that angle honestly. Then it was covered up, nothing to see here.

    I guess their excuse would be that they didn’t want to hand him a victory, but that’s an obvious lie. If that were true they wouldn’t have covered it at all. It was at the top of the news for days, maybe weeks. The trial, too.

  51. CNN has helpfully informed us that it may take “years” to figure out the motivation of the Boulder shooter. The Atlanta shooter on the other hand, in spite of explicitly stating it wasn’t about race himself, must have been motivated by race.

  52. @Enemy of Earth
    In my opinion it's a waste of time looking for a motive except to determine if the killing was an act of self defense. If a crime was committed we need less psychotherapy and more emphasis on restitution which is more important than rehabilitation.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Bill Jones, @Nico

    How do you get restitution from a ghetto rat? What is needed more is public retribution as a deterrent. Say what you will about Muslim societies, but it seems to work pretty well in them.

    • Agree: Travis
  53. @Ed
    Many of these shootings are a result of the inadequate mental health system. There should be an easier way to get people committed.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @stillCARealist

    Committed to where? The insane asylums were closed long ago. Chalk that up to judicial activism and grifting on the part of the psychocrats that used to run the mental institutions.

  54. @wren
    OT: I don't know what to make of the poetry by the mayor of Charlottesville.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/mayor_of_charlottesville_03-24-2021-1.jpg

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/mayor_of_charlottesville_03-24-2021-2.jpg

    Instapundit thinks she may be trying to escape a corruption investigation.

    Replies: @El Dato, @ic1000, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Redman

    Wow, that’s David Allan Coe level poetry.

    David Allan Coe – Cum Stains On The Pillow from OutlawCountry

  55. @Polistra

    cops wind up spending a lot of time investigating whether the victims had it coming for being racist toward the shooter.
     
    Cops, investigators, district attorneys, you name it. Their work is complicated by the fact that black people know they can gain a lot of ground (especially in the media, where we try such cases now) simply by claiming that some white person used the n-word. By most people's lights that accusation is now tantamount to an open and shut case. So of course people will claim it. All upside.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-use-of-per-capita-statistics-is-white-nationalist/#comment-4541590

    Similarly, divorce and custody cases are now replete with false accusations of physical, sexual, and emotional abuse. As well as child abuse in the uglier cases. So long as there is no penalty for false accusations, they will keep coming.

    Replies: @Redman, @Buzz Mohawk

    This is a perfect illustration of why the whole concept of “hate laws” is a big mistake. It’s about the most “void for vagueness” attempt at legal redress I can think of.

    Does anyone know if this issue has reached the Supreme Court? I can’t think of a case off the top of my head.

  56. @wren
    OT: I don't know what to make of the poetry by the mayor of Charlottesville.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/mayor_of_charlottesville_03-24-2021-1.jpg

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/mayor_of_charlottesville_03-24-2021-2.jpg

    Instapundit thinks she may be trying to escape a corruption investigation.

    Replies: @El Dato, @ic1000, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Redman

    Well, I always heard that “Virginia is for lovers.” Sounds like the fine mayor was just expanding on a successful marketing campaign in her own way.

  57. @Trinity
    One of the worst mass shootings in American history occurred in Virginia in 2007 and was committed by a Korean dude named, Seung-Hui Cho. The shooter killed 32 and wounded 17 others. Have to check the race of the victims. I honestly can't remember if the anti-White media tried to put the same spin on this one like they have the Atlanta shooting.

    Replies: @Captain Tripps, @Stan Adams

    Have to check the race of the victims

    The killer was fairly equal opportunity in his targets, though he seems to have fixated on a Caucasian female student (the first victim) for some imagined spurn of his romantic interest.

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @rexl
    @Captain Tripps

    There are no Koreans on the list.

  58. @Polistra

    cops wind up spending a lot of time investigating whether the victims had it coming for being racist toward the shooter.
     
    Cops, investigators, district attorneys, you name it. Their work is complicated by the fact that black people know they can gain a lot of ground (especially in the media, where we try such cases now) simply by claiming that some white person used the n-word. By most people's lights that accusation is now tantamount to an open and shut case. So of course people will claim it. All upside.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-use-of-per-capita-statistics-is-white-nationalist/#comment-4541590

    Similarly, divorce and custody cases are now replete with false accusations of physical, sexual, and emotional abuse. As well as child abuse in the uglier cases. So long as there is no penalty for false accusations, they will keep coming.

    Replies: @Redman, @Buzz Mohawk

    This is part of the legal game. If you’ve ever been served papers, someone suing you, you may have noticed this: They throw in everything, including the kitchen sink.

    Maybe a better way to describe what lawyers do when they write up the papers is “throwing their poo at the wall and watching what sticks.”

    When you read what has been shoved in your face, you just have to calm down and remind yourself that most of what is in there is pure bullshit and the lawyer who wrote it knows it.

  59. @Travis
    Remember when Colin Ferguson shot twenty white people on the Train, killing 6 whites. Police found a scribbled note in his pocket with the heading "reasons for this". One of the reasons was "racism by Caucasians". His lawyers proposed an innovative defense; Ferguson had been driven to temporary insanity by a psychiatric condition they termed "black rage." They argued Ferguson had been driven insane by racial prejudice, and could not be held criminally liable for his actions.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    “Whitey done turned his brain to s*it;
    Therefore you must acquit.”
    –The Ferguson Corollary

  60. One unusual thing about this shooting was that it involved the use of a silencer. There was little follow up on that detail, i.e., whether the silencer had been legally obtained, etc. It did lead to some typical gun control pushback on whether to ban silencers (currently legal in most states but subject to a stringent federal registration process that takes months), and against a bill that had been pending in Trump’s presidency to legalize them. It’s noticeable how many of these shootings seem to fit a narrative the media wants to push.

    It’s always convenient for the system when the perpetrator of these incidents commits suicide because there’s no opportunity for a trial or disclosures from the investigation (such as blew up the hate crime narrative in Atlanta last week). Even when the perpetrators are taken alive though, when is the last time you’ve heard of one of them going to trial? I think the Parkland shooter is still supposedly awaiting trial after more than three years. Maybe they just started sending these guys back to whatever MKUltra facility they came out of?

  61. @anonymous
    There is a rising tide of anti-White violence.

    Replies: @WhiteWinger

    Since the 196660s….

  62. @El Dato
    @wren

    RT has this:

    Charlottesville mayor posts bizarre X-rated ‘poem’ saying city ‘rapes’ its residents


    The mayor of Charlottesville, Virginia has turned heads after posting graphic poetry on her social media accounts, with lines about how the city “rapes” its citizens condemned as “X-rated” and inappropriate for a public official.

    Mayor Nikuyah Walker took to her Facebook page on Wednesday with a poem – apparently her own work – describing the city with bizarre, sexually-explicit metaphors.
     
    Being mayor must be a hard slog.

    The post soon caused a stir, not only with netizens but with Facebook itself, which promptly deleted the poem for violating the platform’s standards “on adult sexual exploitation,” and temporarily locked Walker out of her account.

    However, the platform inexplicably reversed the move soon thereafter. The mayor quickly declared she was “out of FB jail,” adding “I guess my post didn’t violate their policies.” The original post was reinstated.

     

    Well, it's not a "poem", just the usual black explainer.

    Though the mayor has not backed down amid the criticism, she did post a longer, marginally less vulgar version of her poem in apparent bid to appease her detractors – or at least “the person who reported my short poem to FB.”

     

    Sorry, Madame Mayor. That was a "flitering algorithm", or "AI" in marketing-speak.

    Not exactly Samuel Delany writing Dhalgren

    to wound the autumnal city.
    So howled out for the world to give him a name.
    The in-dark answered with wind.
    All you know I know: careening astronauts and bank clerks glancing at the clock before lunch; actresses cowling at light-ringed mirrors and freight elevator operators grinding a thumbful of grease on a steel handle; student riots; know that dark women in bodegas shook their heads last week because in six months prices have risen outlandishly; how coffee tastes after you've held it in your mouth, cold, a whole minute.
    A whole minute he squatted, pebbles clutched with his left foot (the bare one), listening to his breath sound tumble down the ledges.
    Beyond a leafy arras, reflected moonlight flittered.
    He rubbed his palms against denim. Where he was, was still. Somewhere else, wind whined.
    The leaves winked.
    What had been wind was a motion in brush below. His hand went to the rock behind.
    She stood up, two dozen feet down and away, wearing only shadows the moon dropped from the viney maple; moved, and the shadows moved on her.

    ...

    This hand full of crumpled leaves.
    It would be better than here. Just in the like that, if you can't remember any more if. I want to know but I can't see are you up there. I don't have a lot of strength now. The sky is stripped. I am too weak to write much. But I still hear them walking in the trees; not speaking. Waiting here, away from the terrifying weaponry, out of the halls of vapor and light, beyond holland and into the hills, I have come to

     

    Replies: @Polistra, @iDeplorable

    Though the mayor has not backed down amid the criticism, she did post a longer, marginally less vulgar version of her poem in apparent bid to appease her detractors – or at least “the person who reported my short poem to FB.”

    Blacks are so tiresome.

  63. @Cortes
    OT but there’s an interesting reference to a perfect ACT score in the background of the man in whose Chicago flat bomb-making paraphernalia has been found, apparently:

    https://cwbchicago.com/2021/03/explosives-discovered-in-streeterville-apartment-nearly-17-hours-after-police-found-man-dead-inside.html

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    The article reveals that police showed up for the wellness check at 11:00. It doesn’t say how many hours before then did the dad first call.

    .. not just anyone can get in to MIT.

  64. @Polistra
    Always wear your safety belt while driving. This gentleman from Pakistan thought he had a way to foil a vibrant teenage carjacking in Washington DC. Or maybe he just reacted badly to the stun gun they used.


    https://nypost.com/2021/03/24/two-teen-girls-charged-with-murder-in-carjacking-death-of-uber-eats-driver/

    Are the National Guard patrolling our cities now?
    Frankly--who knows--it may be a good idea.
    Until they're defunded anyway.

    Replies: @Jim Christian, @YetAnotherAnon

    So it’s 2021, and a 66-year old Pakistani grandfather is killed by people even more vibrant than his own people*.

    “Anwar, a father and grandfather, emigrated from Pakistan to the US in 2014, his family told the news station.”

    So at the youngest, he couldn’t have been less than 59 when he emigrated – a man with the vital delivery-driver skillset of which the US is so short.

    How the hell does that work? Even with an in-demand skill, try getting into Australia once you are over 50. Is the US that easy to get into?

    Or is there another story here of arriving as a tourist and forgetting to leave? Any one know?

    *
    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/19187240.batley-grammar-teacher-suspended-muhammad-cartoon/

    A teacher has been suspended after using a cartoon of the prophet Muhammad during a religious studies lesson at a West Yorkshire school.

    The image was used during a lesson at Batley Grammar School, and triggered more than 100 people, including some students, to protest outside the school this morning.

    Both the school and teacher have apologised “unequivocally” for the incident, and the school said this portion of its religious studies curriculum has been stopped.

    The road around the school had to be cordoned off by police due to the protest, and officers were also on the scene by the school gates.

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @YetAnotherAnon


    A teacher has been suspended after using a cartoon of the prophet Muhammad...
     
    "A teacher has been suspended after using a cartoon of the [baseless] prophet Muhammad..."

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  65. @Captain Tripps
    @Trinity


    Have to check the race of the victims
     
    The killer was fairly equal opportunity in his targets, though he seems to have fixated on a Caucasian female student (the first victim) for some imagined spurn of his romantic interest.

    https://thesource.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/vt-victims.jpg

    Replies: @rexl

    There are no Koreans on the list.

  66. @Franz
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hanlon (or was it Heinlein?) was never a cop, a store loss prevention specialist, or even a security guard for a factory. It's ALWAYS malice. Stupidity is highly overrated when it comes to the world since 2001.

    Dumb is mostly harmless. Maybe in Hanlon's time it was different; let's be charitable.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @res

    Hanlon (or was it Heinlein?)

    There is an interesting nuance here. Is the Hanlon version a way to make people less suspicious of the malicious among us?

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17904981

    That’s Hanlon’s Razor, Heinlein’s is, “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity, but don’t rule out malice.”

    In both an element people often overlook is the keyword adequately. Sure anything can be attributed to stupidity, but in many cases it’s too beneficial to the “stupid” party and/or too persistent to be adequately explained by something other than malice.

    Much discussion of these razors at

    TIL of Hanlon’s razor which states: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." from todayilearned

    • Replies: @Franz
    @res

    Thanks for the link to the discussion. Some food for thought.

    Heinlein was much of an oddity back when the libertarian movement was trying to get off the ground. On the one hand, he could be forceful and eloquent when individual rights and duties were discussed. On the other hand he had the odd notion that getting rid of state governments and letting Washington run literally everything would make the country more efficient. Sort of an engineering problem where we have to find the simplest way to get the job done. I'm not sure he ever sorted that sort of thing out.

  67. @Ed
    Many of these shootings are a result of the inadequate mental health system. There should be an easier way to get people committed.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @stillCARealist

    I keep replying to you because your comments are so direct, but I’m afraid you’re just not silly enough to generate a conversation with the autists on here.

    Anyway, the correlation between drugs, lack of mental health facilities and crime is glaringly obvious. It’s an over-arching and expensive problem that will likely never be seriously discussed.

  68. There seems to be a shift this year in how white conservatives are talking about race. With Trump gone, the pandering to blacks seems to be lessening. Most importantly, for the first time, conservatives are saying “anti-white” to describe the thing they are fighting. In the past, they would only say lame things like “this is anti-American.” That’s a huge shift and puts mainstream conservatives one step further on the path to becoming white nationalists. After they spend a while complaining about anti-whiteness, only to have the establishment laugh at them and turn up the anti-white hate even more, conservatives will have no where to go but to be openly pro-white. This whole process in inevitable.

  69. @Enemy of Earth
    In my opinion it's a waste of time looking for a motive except to determine if the killing was an act of self defense. If a crime was committed we need less psychotherapy and more emphasis on restitution which is more important than rehabilitation.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Bill Jones, @Nico

    I agree, but would change one word

    restitution

    should be retribution.

    In the vast majority of these cases what is taken can never be restored.
    Certainly not by the Youth’s, Teens, Joggers or whatever the synonym du jour is for these people.

  70. (This case is an exception to Sailer’s Law of Mass Shootings: more killed than wounded is usually the case of a nonblack shooter while more wounded than killed implies a black shooter.)

    Or simply, in general, Skinnies can’t shoot for shit.

  71. @prime noticer
    do Democrats ever call for massive new gun control when a brother shoots up the place? serious question, not being sarcastic.

    it seems they save that for the rare instances of a competent pale penis person going ballistic.

    i guess the muslim rifle shooters have forced them into a third option - it's not the muslims, it's the guns. disarm all the truck driving, Trump voting rural guys.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    disarm all the truck driving, Trump voting rural guys.

    Your comment brought to mind something I kinda knew but didn’t. While musing on the fact that Peloton, whose product is an exercise bike strapped to an iphone, now has a market cap greater than that of Ford, maker of the best selling auto in the US for the past 39 years, I looked up just what were the top sellers.
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g32006077/best-selling-cars-2020/

    There are a hell of a lot of truck drivers who’ll be looking for a Trump to vote for.

    The list for the UK makes an interesting contrast. Not a truck to be seen.
    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-9110511/What-20-best-selling-cars-vans-2020.html

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill Jones


    Peloton, whose product is an exercise bike strapped to an iphone, now has a market cap greater than that of Ford, maker of the best selling auto in the US for the past 39 years
     
    Actually, no. This is the best-selling auto in the US:


    https://www.littletikes.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Cozy-Coupe®-Trailer-Red-3.jpg
  72. Nobody in America ever investigates whether our current culture of anti-white hate ever tips some blacks over the edge.

    Intuitively I wouldn’t think that very often it does, actually, but there are two reasons why I think so. First is that I am projecting my own patterns: speaking as a white, when my rage wells up it is in response not merely to isolated incidents and abstract narratives but to concrete aggregate patterns which The Party actively works to repress. But I will grant this might not be an applicable projection.

    However, my second reason for thinking this is probably not the predominant factor is that I do think what “kept blacks down” in olden times was fear of the white man’s iron fist and that their natural tendency absent repression is extreme violence. Indeed, I’m inclined to say Jim Crow was just a rather extreme generalized form of predictive policing but hardly arbitrary.

  73. @Enemy of Earth
    In my opinion it's a waste of time looking for a motive except to determine if the killing was an act of self defense. If a crime was committed we need less psychotherapy and more emphasis on restitution which is more important than rehabilitation.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Bill Jones, @Nico

    [I]t’s a waste of time looking for a motive except to determine if the killing was an act of self defense.

    Competent prosecutors are aware of this fact. The classic textbook example is the Susan Smith case, where an incompetent prosecution team tried to show a motive for her drowning of her two children. In reality all they needed to show to ask for capital punishment was first-degree murder. I’m not an attorney but from what I understand of South Carolina law of the time this meant they had only to prove premeditation, that the thought that she would kill her children that day in that way had even crossed her mind before she did so.

    By seeking out a motive they created an opening for the defense team to craft a sympathetic narrative (such as it was) based on a torturous, abusive childhood. Gross as it is, she enlisted her mother and stepfather to help by admitting her stepfather had sexually molested her. And the jury fell for it. Smith is still alive, she has had documented affairs with a certain number of prison guards and female fellow inmates and she apparently has a sugar daddy male hibristophile waiting for her for when she is paroled.

  74. related newsflash:

    Atlanta man arrested with 6 guns, body armor at Publix grocery store

    they got him before he could start shooting.

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @prime noticer

    He's black. I wonder if he was an equal-opportunity killer, or was he planning to kill just white people?

    Surely there's attempted hate crime? That's an offense, isn't it?

    , @Bill Jones
    @prime noticer

    You shouldn't ever shop at stores where the carts have gun racks,

  75. @unit472
    The Washington Navy Yard shooting also shows negroes, when launching an attack on their place of employment, tend to be more focused. Perhaps because they know they there is no way back and they will either be shot to death themselves or spend the rest of their life in prison.

    OTOH firing a bunch of bullets into a crowd of negroes affords the shooter a high chance of escaping without consequence.

    Replies: @dcthrowback

    tbf, both Aron and this guy (and the most recent dude in CO) all were reportedly paranoid (schizophrenics?). This seems to be a common trait amongst today’s spree killers: hearing voices, paranoia, etc.

    The conspiratorial side of me notes this and wants to know if they had any contacts w/ 3 letter agencies or doctors who proscribed them medication who did as well. Our man in CO had contacts w/ the FBI, for example.

    Just because you’re paranoid does not mean they’re not out to get you.

  76. @Trinity
    One of the worst mass shootings in American history occurred in Virginia in 2007 and was committed by a Korean dude named, Seung-Hui Cho. The shooter killed 32 and wounded 17 others. Have to check the race of the victims. I honestly can't remember if the anti-White media tried to put the same spin on this one like they have the Atlanta shooting.

    Replies: @Captain Tripps, @Stan Adams

    Here are some newscasts covering the Virginia Tech massacre:

    [MORE]

    April 16 (day of massacre):

    April 17 (day after)

    April 18 (featuring Cho’s manifesto)

    April 19

    April 20

    • Thanks: Trinity
  77. @prime noticer
    related newsflash:

    Atlanta man arrested with 6 guns, body armor at Publix grocery store

    they got him before he could start shooting.
    https://imgur.com/a/3k56sb5

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Bill Jones

    He’s black. I wonder if he was an equal-opportunity killer, or was he planning to kill just white people?

    Surely there’s attempted hate crime? That’s an offense, isn’t it?

  78. @Anon
    "the cops wind up spending a lot of time investigating whether the victims had it coming for being racist toward the shooter."

    Snark all you want but this is a very real problem in the workplace and shows how white supremacy is an evil unto even white people.

    Many People of Colour I have spoken to have expressed empathy with rare (as compared to white male) Shooters of Color and that they understand the frustration of having to deal with the rudeness selfishness cruelty and pettiness of white people.

    Maybe we should take some time and reflect on how our attitudes and behaviors hurt People of Color and unfortunately push them to do things out of despair.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @New Dealer, @Reg Cæsar

    Anon 200. Everyone suffers! Rich, poor, black, white, male, female, and on. We are born limited beings each of whom will eventually die. Some enjoy the privilege of blaming their suffering on imaginary monsters like systemic racism. That stunts their lives because, rather than stepping up and taking responsibility for bettering their attitudes and opportunities, they blame, blame, blame others for their finitude.

    A white male is privileged in one way. He can’t blame imaginary monsters. If, for example, others are rude to him, he has to get over it and move on to greater strengths and accomplishments.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  79. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Polistra

    So it's 2021, and a 66-year old Pakistani grandfather is killed by people even more vibrant than his own people*.

    "Anwar, a father and grandfather, emigrated from Pakistan to the US in 2014, his family told the news station."

    So at the youngest, he couldn't have been less than 59 when he emigrated - a man with the vital delivery-driver skillset of which the US is so short.

    How the hell does that work? Even with an in-demand skill, try getting into Australia once you are over 50. Is the US that easy to get into?

    Or is there another story here of arriving as a tourist and forgetting to leave? Any one know?


    *
    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/19187240.batley-grammar-teacher-suspended-muhammad-cartoon/


    A teacher has been suspended after using a cartoon of the prophet Muhammad during a religious studies lesson at a West Yorkshire school.

    The image was used during a lesson at Batley Grammar School, and triggered more than 100 people, including some students, to protest outside the school this morning.

    Both the school and teacher have apologised “unequivocally” for the incident, and the school said this portion of its religious studies curriculum has been stopped.

    The road around the school had to be cordoned off by police due to the protest, and officers were also on the scene by the school gates.
     
    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/resources/images/12446008.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    A teacher has been suspended after using a cartoon of the prophet Muhammad…

    “A teacher has been suspended after using a cartoon of the [baseless] prophet Muhammad…”

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Reg Cæsar

    The teacher is under police guard and the school is shut.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9405577/Protesters-line-outside-Batley-school-second-day.html

    Batley Grammar School was closed at the last minute today after more than 50 Muslim protesters returned for a second day demanding the sacking of a RE teacher who allegedly showed cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed to students.

  80. @Bill Jones
    @prime noticer


    disarm all the truck driving, Trump voting rural guys.
     
    Your comment brought to mind something I kinda knew but didn't. While musing on the fact that Peloton, whose product is an exercise bike strapped to an iphone, now has a market cap greater than that of Ford, maker of the best selling auto in the US for the past 39 years, I looked up just what were the top sellers.
    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g32006077/best-selling-cars-2020/

    There are a hell of a lot of truck drivers who'll be looking for a Trump to vote for.

    The list for the UK makes an interesting contrast. Not a truck to be seen.
    https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-9110511/What-20-best-selling-cars-vans-2020.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Peloton, whose product is an exercise bike strapped to an iphone, now has a market cap greater than that of Ford, maker of the best selling auto in the US for the past 39 years

    Actually, no. This is the best-selling auto in the US:

  81. @Anon
    "the cops wind up spending a lot of time investigating whether the victims had it coming for being racist toward the shooter."

    Snark all you want but this is a very real problem in the workplace and shows how white supremacy is an evil unto even white people.

    Many People of Colour I have spoken to have expressed empathy with rare (as compared to white male) Shooters of Color and that they understand the frustration of having to deal with the rudeness selfishness cruelty and pettiness of white people.

    Maybe we should take some time and reflect on how our attitudes and behaviors hurt People of Color and unfortunately push them to do things out of despair.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @New Dealer, @Reg Cæsar

    • Agree: TontoBubbaGoldstein
  82. @prime noticer
    related newsflash:

    Atlanta man arrested with 6 guns, body armor at Publix grocery store

    they got him before he could start shooting.
    https://imgur.com/a/3k56sb5

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Bill Jones

    You shouldn’t ever shop at stores where the carts have gun racks,

  83. @Reg Cæsar
    @YetAnotherAnon


    A teacher has been suspended after using a cartoon of the prophet Muhammad...
     
    "A teacher has been suspended after using a cartoon of the [baseless] prophet Muhammad..."

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    The teacher is under police guard and the school is shut.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9405577/Protesters-line-outside-Batley-school-second-day.html

    Batley Grammar School was closed at the last minute today after more than 50 Muslim protesters returned for a second day demanding the sacking of a RE teacher who allegedly showed cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed to students.

  84. We all know “good” blacks. They ain’t worth the trillions of fedbux going to melanin mobs in exchange for chaos and grief.

    We owe Segregationists a ginormous apology.

  85. @res
    @Franz


    Hanlon (or was it Heinlein?)
     
    There is an interesting nuance here. Is the Hanlon version a way to make people less suspicious of the malicious among us?

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17904981

    That’s Hanlon’s Razor, Heinlein’s is, “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity, but don’t rule out malice.”

    In both an element people often overlook is the keyword adequately. Sure anything can be attributed to stupidity, but in many cases it’s too beneficial to the “stupid” party and/or too persistent to be adequately explained by something other than malice.
     
    Much discussion of these razors at
    https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/7ochr2/til_of_hanlons_razor_which_states_never_attribute/

    Replies: @Franz

    Thanks for the link to the discussion. Some food for thought.

    Heinlein was much of an oddity back when the libertarian movement was trying to get off the ground. On the one hand, he could be forceful and eloquent when individual rights and duties were discussed. On the other hand he had the odd notion that getting rid of state governments and letting Washington run literally everything would make the country more efficient. Sort of an engineering problem where we have to find the simplest way to get the job done. I’m not sure he ever sorted that sort of thing out.

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