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In Hollywood, CA (the actual geographic place, not the industry), the usually crowded glamorous places are empty while the more wholesome sounding places — e.g., the grounds of the Griffith Park Planetarium, the Runyon Canyon dogwalking trail — are jammed.

From the LA Times on Saturday:

… The admonition created an odd dichotomy Saturday: Southern Californians shrank from usually overcrowded tourist locales in favor of open spaces that then became not so open, given the crowds that sought relief from what had come to feel like house arrest.

The Hollywood Walk of Fame, the Venice Beach Boardwalk, the Grove shopping center and Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills all went mostly bereft of visitors.

… Crowds also gathered in Griffith Park and in Runyon Canyon — and, in Northern California, along the Marin County coastline, where the Sheriff’s Office said it recognized “the LARGE amount of people traveling to the coast today and NOT practicing social distancing.” …

In the Hollywood Hills, the hiking trails of Runyon Canyon Park had become so crowded Saturday afternoon that the park was trending on Twitter, and some people were asking Gov. Gavin Newsom or L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti to shut down the trails to preserve social distancing.

It’s natural to have moral reactions to an epidemic, but it is important to remember that the germ doesn’t care if you are in a normally very wholesome place when you get coughed on by somebody else in the crowd.

That said, being outdoors with a crowd is likely better than being indoors with a crowd, but still …

The point is that moral intuitions that have served you well in the past may not always be applicable in this situation. Or they may. You have to think things through.

That’s why I’ve been obsessing over the Skier Connection. Normally, skiing is a pretty healthy, wholesome thing. It just happens to have been bad in this situation.

 
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  1. Corvinus says:

    So what are YOUR moral reactions to the pandemic, Mr. Sailer?

    • LOL: Biggest Shoe
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  2. As Yogi Berra would say, “Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded.”

    • LOL: Rosie
  3. the Runyon Canyon dogwalking trail

    Nothing contributes to “social distancing” like a Rottweiler or a pitbull.

    Put a little vinegar and baking soda in his Iams, and you’ll get even more distancing.

    • LOL: kikz
    • Replies: @Lagertha
  4. @Corvinus

    So what are YOUR moral reactions to the pandemic, Mr. Sailer?

    He appears to have outsourced all the moralizing to you and Tiny.

    • LOL: Hibernian, 22pp22
    • Replies: @Alfa158
    , @ia
  5. I don’t see this as any moral reaction. I see it as the kids being out of school, requiring some wholesome entertainment, before the family not used to this goes nuts. Getting some V-D (no, the vitamin, you degenerates), and some sunshine just for the mental state will be good for all concerned.

    I would say leave behind the wheezing old geezers, but I and some also 20-something y/o friends were hiking up around the 9,000 ft mark of Mt. Baldy one summer, and some wheezing geezer ran right up past us and out of sight up the mountain! #Embarrassing! and #YouGoLostGenerationers!

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @slumber_j
  6. What kind of information will be sufficient to open up the public venues again? In Montana, bars, restaurants, gyms, etc. are closed through March 31. Now that they’re closed, I don’t expect them to open unless decision-makers have a high degree of confidence that the crisis is over, cannot be mitigated, or was overblown to begin with. I’m curious regarding the criteria they would base their decision on. Are the important variables infection rate, total number infected, or what?

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
  7. epebble says:

    Joshua Tree National Park should be very pleasant and fairly empty to enjoy now. Not too far from LA. Salton See, on the other hand, will be very empty but not as pleasant.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  8. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:

    Harvey!!!

  9. Are we going to have increase in marriages or an increase in divorces?

  10. Same complaint in London: They told everyone to get out into open air, so all the parks were distressingly overcrowded.

  11. vhrm says:

    I’m not convinced about this wholesomeness moral angle.
    Walking outside (not in a crowd) is thought to be pretty safe by the current proposed contagion model.

    Also, listening to the announcements over the past week, first from SF mayor London Breed and then Gov Newsom and their respective public health people, all of them said explicitly that you can go walk around the streets and go hiking as long as you stay 6′ away from other people.

    And commentators in the media and “out there” are ALSO misinterpreting the 6′ distance guidance wrt households: it’s 6 feet from people in other households.

    So just seeing “people” walking closer together than that is not sufficient evidence of guideline breaking.

    I know shaming and social pressure is how this thing is supposed to be enforced, but one has to be careful when unleashing the hate because it is a blunt instrument and not easy to control.

    On another topic, there’s an unfortunate collision between the phrase “social distancing” and the related “maintain 6′ physical distance” thing. I think many people think “social distancing” is the 6 feet.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @dfordoom
  12. @AnotherDad

    We’ll have an increase in babies, from people cooped up together.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  13. SFG says:
    @AnotherDad

    Both are quite possible, as well as babies, as I.J. says.

  14. Speaking of wholesomeness…

    For all you anti-Hanksers from the Tom Hanks thread, over at the Althouse blog, there is a delightful Twitter clip from Steve Martin, of him just playing the banjo for the people of America.

    Steve Martin: maybe he’s the Tom Hanks we can all actually agree on.

  15. JimDandy says:

    They made The Hunt available on Amazon because of the virus, and I realize now that Hollywood cancelled it when they did because, well, here’s a quote from the Salon review, by Craig Zobel:

    “President Donald Trump’s supporters aren’t victims, they’re victimizers. Shame on “The Hunt” for pandering to one of their most cherished fantasies – that they are persecuted.”

    Ha ha! Go cry yourself to sleep, Zobel. It’s a pretty good comedy-thriller, the lead actress is excellent, and the way the movie trolls lib elite Trump haters is shocking (in a good way.)

    • Replies: @SFG
    , @Jeff Albertson
  16. Thomas says:

    Something similar appears to be happening in the Pacific Northwest. The Oregon coast has apparently been swamped this weekend.

  17. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Runyon Canyon is the Mall of Virtue Signalers…

  18. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @epebble

    Salton See, on the other hand, will be very empty but not as pleasant

    Uh… in case you haven’t read the news, L.A. has been transporting its hobo’s down to makeshift shelters at the Salton Sea since the virus started gaining ground. Not a good place to go.

    It’s also a very safe bet that Hollywood qweebs are overcrowding areas of Joshua tree, or will be.

  19. Over the last few month, there seems to be more confusion about the difference between AMOUNT and NUMBER. Example: the Sheriff’s Office said it recognized “the LARGE amount of people traveling to the coast today…”
    https://mysteryreadersinc.blogspot.com/2016/02/cartoon-of-day-pedants-revolt.html

    • Replies: @vhrm
    , @Autochthon
    , @Kim
  20. BenKenobi says:

    On the other hand, the streets of Vancouver are empty — the tourists and townies are all gone. What a treat!

  21. Alfa158 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    You know that gives me an idea for how Steve can raise more donation money. Corvinus has been spending most of his time lately demanding that Steve write about this or that, and I was thinking that I hope he is being generous in his donations to the SteveKitty because he is not only reading all Steve’s posts, but then demanding he writes even more.
    So then I thought, how about Steve offers to write additional posts on a commission basis? For example I can request that Steve write something on Vanuatu Water Music. If he is interested he can list how much he wants for the commission, and once the fund-raising goal is reached, he writes the article.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  22. Barnard says:
    @Thomas

    This was the main point of Pat Buchanan’s last column. As the weather gets nicer in the northern U.S. people are going to want to go outside and are naturally going to end up in the same spaces. Do elected officials have the will to send the police or National Guard into urban neighborhoods to break up social gatherings in order to stop the spread? I doubt they will, how do they enforce anywhere else then.

    • Replies: @Federalist
  23. Anon7 says:

    Griffith Park would not be my choice. My family was on vacation last year, and it is an observatory at the end of a single, long road going up the side of the mountain. The observatory and museum were absolutely packed shoulder to shoulder. Traffic is backed up for a mile or more; Ubers and buses take hours.

  24. ia says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Corvinus is a werewolf. He can’t help himself.

  25. @Alfa158

    I’ll chip in a bit or two for some snarky posts about NY Times articles and all his good cultural commentary. For the golf course architecture posts, though, Steve ought to be paying me!

    Coronavinus – pay up!

  26. vhrm says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Example: the Sheriff’s Office said it recognized “the LARGE amount of people traveling to the coast today…”

    It’s ok though because they’re moving at a low rate of speed.

  27. Lot says:

    TARP 2.0 is brewing, hundreds of billions in corporate giveaways coming.

    Stock market fall sucks for me and many others here, but most of the market is owned by the ultrarich and foreigners.

    A CV relief bill focused on big corps thus goes mostly to the ultrarich and foreigners.

    What we need ASAP is Trumpbux. Everyone with a SSN on record with any W2 or 1099 income in 2018-2020 gets a $5,000 check to their last known address.

    Total cost: about $900 billion. The garbage Senate GOP bill costs much more than this but delivers less. At best you’d get $1200. Make more than 75k in 2018: phase out, presumably to 0 if you make more than 100k.

    Last time Trump outsourced a major economic bill to the Congressional GOP he got a similar highly unpopular giveaway to the ultrarich and a tax increase on the upper middle class that caused generational-level destruction to the GOP in many upper-middle class suburban areas and the Dem 2018 House takeover.

    • Replies: @trelane
    , @AnotherDad
  28. The LA news helicopters are tracking basketball games and beer pong on the beach. Not high speed chases or race riots.

    Going after the golfers.

  29. Anonymous[800] • Disclaimer says:

    Sorry not buying the outdoor event mass infection assumption. It’s about as real as the schoolchildren as mass asymptomatic carriers myth.

    Bitching about people in parks and on beaches is irrational. Come on. We are months into this global contagion and health detectives would’ve tracked a particular outbreak to a single large event gathering by now.

    You don’t need testing to have your local hospital filled with cases who all happened to attend the same recent festival at x location on x date. These scenarios would be huge news stories all over the world but they’re not because they’be never happened.

    • Replies: @Clifford brown
  30. Meanwhile in Downtown LA…

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  31. Rosie says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I don’t see this as any moral reaction. I see it as the kids being out of school, requiring some wholesome entertainment, before the family not used to this goes nuts. Getting some V-D (no, the vitamin, you degenerates), and some sunshine just for the mental state will be good for all concerned.

    With gyms closed and youth sports shut down, we all need to make sure we get our exercise.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  32. @Anonymous

    What about CPAC?

    Bitching about people in parks and on beaches is irrational. Come on.

    What is irrational is ignoring a high risk unknown threat to our society. Let me guess, China and Italy are just faking it? Is that the rational argument?

    Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are all in on the big hoax? Really, that is the best you got?

    Cost benefit analysis. Stay off the beach in March or collapsed healthcare system. The choice is yours.

  33. Mr. Anon says:

    That’s why I’ve been obsessing over the Skier Connection. Normally, skiing is a pretty healthy, wholesome thing.

    Don’t be ridiculous, Steve. Nazis skied; it must be problematic.

  34. Anonymous[800] • Disclaimer says:

    Doesn’t the evidence point to this virus being a kissing disease?

    Or more generally a facial touching transmission disease. By that I mean two faces touching not so much touching your own face.

    The skiing data sets Austria and Colorado —- those are infamous party town demos.

    Innumerable crammed subways airports and airplanes have failed to trigger mass infection events in the past two months. That is a fact.

    So why? Because actual touching of bare skin is required and touching of hands is only 1/10 successful transmission as touching faces?

    So logically …we can deduce successful transmission is more intimate.

    We know the Mediterraneans are crazy face touchers. Their greeting is often not even a real kiss. More a pressing of the cheeks. How about the Hasidic Jews in New Rochelle?

    DID THE LONE HASIDIC JEW LOBBYIST FROM NEW ROCHELLE EMERGE FROM A FACE KISSING/TOUCHING CULTURE AND GO TO CPAC AND INFECT NO ONE BECAUSE CPAC IS A SHAKE HANDS CULTURE.

    This would account for the infection profile we see around Trump. He seems to have had close calls but he’s not pressing faces so he remains unscathed…

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  35. trelane says:
    @Lot

    Count me in, I want my $5,000 and I want it now.

  36. fic says:

    I wonder if there’s a benefit to wearing masks we haven’t realized. They trap warmth and humidity around the face, creating an extremely inhospitable environment for SARS-CoV-2.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  37. Lagertha says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hahaaa, once again – love ya, darlin’.

    I really hate, hate, hate the fact that there are Boomers and Gen Xrs on my lonely trails that no one gives a sh*t about year ’round. I don’t have dogs, now, which makes me both sad about that fact, and annoyed, that people can not STFU when they are walking in the effin’ quiet woods – show some respect to the trees!

    I am ok with the other weirdos like me, who take their daily solo walk-abouts for the last 25+ years….we never stop to yack about stupid stuff because. These new, white-privileged corporate types are in their high-tech outdoor-wear, walking in groups of at least 2 – especially women – and you all know I am not fond of American women. What a bunch of creeps – shut up when you are in nature! – for once in your life, respect the silence of the woods. Plus, the frogs are “signaling/chattering” and it is joyous to witness – just 2 weeks, every year, in snow country. Stop talking when you are in the woods – respect others.

  38. Who can be sure, but I suppose in watching with growing unease this once far-away virus deliberately and relentlessly stalk ever closer to our own bodies, set to put to the ultimate test one’s own immune system, there can be nothing to lose in getting in tune with Gaia ahead of the date of reckoning.

  39. Lagertha says:
    @AnotherDad

    both. Oh, how I admire the couples who fell in love 2 months ago! At 60ish, I remember, now, going thru times when time stood still. When, all you could do was to be with the love of your life – you just stayed in the bedroom…while intermittently, getting something out of the fridge. Babies will be born in November and December.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  40. Nick Diaz says:

    Steve Sailer:

    “It’s natural to have moral reactions to an epidemic.”

    No, it is normal for conservatives like you. Because you are prejudiced and already predisposed to use random facts to justify your prejudices. Case in point: if a Mexican immigrant contracts COVID-19 in America, you will use that as an argument o curtail Mexican immigration to America, probably arguing that if he weren’t in America he couldn’t spread the infection. Conversely, if a blond haired, blue-eyed, native-born American girl contracts COVID-19, you will feel sorry for her and see her as a victim. *Both* the Mexican immigrant and the blond girl are victims, but to you one is a victim and the other is a criminal because you are biased and already predisposed to see people you dislike in a negative light.

    Likewise, all those gay men that died of AIDS back in the 1980’s and 1990’s died not because their sexuality is innately inferior, but because they didn’t wear condoms and other prophylactics. Anal sex is also the preferred type of sex for straight people, and straight porn clearly shows that. And guess what? Straight people that have unprotected anal sex have roughly the same risk of contracting HIV as gay men. So the issue is not sexuality, but the type of sexual activity, and the real issue is prevention. If you truly were concerned about the health of gay men, you would suggest education campaigns about condom usage and such. You prefer, instead, to argue that their bars should be raided by the police and gay men prohibited from having casual sex. Because you *want* it to be a moral issue, because you dislike gays on a visceral level and want to condemn their sexuality.

    Similarly, all those junkies that died from AIDS and from overdoses died because of *conservative laws* that made them into criminals. They had no choice but to reutilize and share needles because they couldn’t get new ones all the time, which resulted in them being infected. If they could just go into a clinic and have a doctor give them the drug, I *guarantee* that far, far less of them would have died. The doctors would make sure to use new syringes, and to not give them lethal doses of the drug. But this solution is unacceptable to conservatives for *moral* reasons. Conservatives consider it more immoral to give drugs to junkes than to let them die, when they could be easily saved. I find that atrocious. But hey, that is just me. Unlike you, I am actually a good guy.

    As I’ve said before, every problem to a conservative is a moral issue, even when it is clearly not. Liberals have to constantly remind conservatives that the Chinese people are not to blame for this virus, that they are victims as well. Those people in Wuhan are mostly poor and uneducated, and they had no idea that eating bat soup or whatever carried that risk.

  41. Lagertha says:
    @vhrm

    because I am always distrustful of Americans, well, people in general, I hold my breath for as long as I can when someone passes me on a trail. Hahhaaaa! I am serious about “my space.”

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    , @vhrm
  42. jb says:

    I spent much of yesterday in a 1500+ acre semi-wild park near a major urban center. There were at least five times as many people on the trails as I’d ever seen, most of them with kids. The tiny little parking lot was all full up. Still not that crowded though; we occasionally went as long as ten minutes without seeing anyone anywhere. Social distancing was no problem. People just aren’t that into wilderness!

  43. @Barnard

    Do elected officials have the will to send the police or National Guard into urban neighborhoods to break up social gatherings in order to stop the spread?

    If by urban you mean black inner city, they don’t have the will to enforce the law as it is. But they’ll harass normal people. It’ll be anarcho-tyranny as usual.

  44. syonredux says:

    In Hollywood, CA (the actual geographic place, not the industry), the usually crowded glamorous places are empty while the more wholesome sounding places — e.g., the grounds of the Griffith Park Planetarium, the Runyon Canyon dogwalking trail — are jammed.

    As proven by countless movies and TV shows, it’s a very attractive place:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Seth Largo
  45. @Lagertha

    Don’t worry, Lagertha, I won’t be crowdin’ you.

  46. BenKenobi says:
    @Nick Diaz

    If you are the standard of good, I’ll content myself with evil.

  47. @Anonymous

    DID THE LONE HASIDIC JEW LOBBYIST FROM NEW ROCHELLE EMERGE FROM A FACE KISSING/TOUCHING CULTURE AND GO TO CPAC AND INFECT NO ONE BECAUSE CPAC IS A SHAKE HANDS CULTURE.

    New Rochelle guy isn’t Hasidic, he’s Modern Orthodox. In general, it is vanishingly unlikely that a Hasidic guy would be a lobbyist at the Federal level.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  48. jb says:
    @Nick Diaz

    Modern progressivism is puritanically moralistic, obsessed with sniffing out and anathematizing (cancelling) the impure thoughts and words of unbelievers (and very often other progressives). I won’t make a blanket statement and say that all progressives believe they can read the minds of conservatives, because that probably isn’t true. But you clearly believe you can.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  49. @Nick Diaz

    Likewise, all those gay men that died of AIDS back in the 1980’s and 1990’s died not because their sexuality is innately inferior, but because they didn’t wear condoms and other prophylactics. Anal sex is also the preferred type of sex for straight people, and straight porn clearly shows that. And guess what? Straight people that have unprotected anal sex have roughly the same risk of contracting HIV as gay men. So the issue is not sexuality, but the type of sexual activity, and the real issue is prevention. If you truly were concerned about the health of gay men, you would suggest education campaigns about condom usage and such. You prefer, instead, to argue that their bars should be raided by the police and gay men prohibited from having casual sex. Because you *want* it to be a moral issue, because you dislike gays on a visceral level and want to condemn their sexuality.

    So if Straight people prefer anal, and outnumber Gay people by orders of magnitude, how is it that Straight people were spared from the AIDS epidemic, while Gay people were ravaged? Did Straight people have better access to info about AIDS? Far be it from me to suggest an explanation that flirts with morality, so I guess it will have to remain a mystery.

    • Replies: @SFG
  50. @Clifford brown

    Naked lady doesn’t want a Mink, she IS a Mink!

  51. prosa123 says:
    @kaganovitch

    Not many Hasidim live in New Rochelle or anywhere else in Westchester County. Those who aren’t in Brooklyn live mostly in Rockland County on the other side of the Hudson or in some communities in New Jersey.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  52. anon[399] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nick Diaz

    While the use of bold does add to the overall quality of your argument, it isn’t enough. You clearly need some SENTENCES IN ALL CAPS as well as some emoji like this 😡 and this 👩‍🔬 and also this, 😂 of course. We’re all in this together 👍🏻 ! Hope this helps!

  53. It’s fairly simple with this skiing thing.
    In that environment, there’s more congestion and fluid in the lungs. Hence the lungs will trap more pathogens. The longer they stay in there, the more infection you will get. I think Corona works on “viral load and time” basis where it depends on how much viral invader cells you get and how long they are in there.

  54. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    As proven by countless movies and TV shows, it’s a very attractive place:

    Says you.

    Last time I was there, they had fuckin’ primitive Aztecs running around.

    Just a matter of time before the blood-letting begins.

  55. @Lagertha

    which makes me both sad about that fact, and annoyed, that people can not STFU when they are walking in the effin’ quiet woods – show some respect to the trees!

    Well, I am a member of (de)Generation X and I too experience insensate rage regarding the typical US American’s inability to STFU AND ENJOY NATURE’S PEACE AND QUIET.

    Jesus.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @Lagertha
  56. SFG says:
    @JimDandy

    It was a fun movie. Thanks for tipping me off to it!

    It is funny how it became a conservative bete noire, though, as, apart from some mild feminism, it is probably the most conservative movie I have seen in a while, mocking liberals left and right. People should wait before jumping on these things.

    Oh, and that review is by Matthew Rozsa. It probably does not reflect the views of Zobel, as, parentheses or no (it’s not clear), he is the director of the movie. 😉

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  57. SFG says:
    @kaganovitch

    The explanation annoys both conservatives and progressives.

    Men like to f***, and gay men don’t have women slowing them down.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  58. @Lot

    What we need ASAP is Trumpbux. Everyone with a SSN on record with any W2 or 1099 income in 2018-2020 gets a $5,000 check to their last known address.

    No, Americans only.

    I’m ok with this. But i think a smaller amount for every American, then some targeted relief for people who were working in January or February whose job vaporized in March. Sort of unemployment+.

    The SSA has all this data. Trivial to toss up a web site where you can make a claim and lookup what you were making in Jan/Feb … versus now. And if you were not reporting … well guess what.

    ~~

    But yeah outside of a few particulars–airlines, Boeing–that may need government loans if they can’t raise funds in the private market because of uncertainty–don’t see the need for bailouts. Aren’t most be corporations still running? P+G making soap, Caterpillar making backhoes, Intel making chips, Ford making pickups?

    BTW, if the feds do get involved with bailouts, loans, Trump they should at minimum come with some corporate governance caveats:
    — corporate officers pay past some reasonable figure comes only as stock that must be held long term
    — corporation can not buy back shares, until it’s debt is … zero. This nonsense of corporations juicing their stock, instead of building a cash cushion for inevitable downturns is nonsense.

  59. JimDandy says:
    @SFG

    Oh, shit! Thanks for pointing that out. I blew it. Sorry, Zobel! Cry yourself to sleep, Rozsa.

    Yeah, Trump railed against this movie. On paper, a brief description sounds horrible–a Hollywood movie about people hunting down Trump supporters like animals. I’ve yet to hear any conservative pundits clarifying what it’s actually about.

  60. @fic

    I wonder if there’s a benefit to wearing masks we haven’t realized. They trap warmth and humidity around the face, creating an extremely inhospitable environment for SARS-CoV-2.

    Do not wonder, it’s absolutely the case. Well how much effect of Covid-19 virus–who knows? But humidity, sure.

    I’ve worn them on airplanes–not as consciously as i should but plenty–the last few years. They definitely help you feel less dried out.

    BTW, AnotherMom swears by the 787–cabin pressure corresponding to roughly 6000ft instead of 8000, so higher humidity as well. She says she’s noticeably less tired. I have yet to have such luxury. But just wearing a mask gives you a little humidity boost–beyond just making it more difficult for your neighbor’s germs to infect you.

  61. @jb

    jb and kag — please don’t feed Nick.

    Nick’s’ butt hurt that he’s living in America which is a nice place because boring old straight white guys build nice places–prosperous, free, law abiding. Specifically that his ancestors didn’t build as nice a place and had to decamp from Mexico (or wherever) to glom onto what white guys built. And apparently he’s some sort of queer or queer wannabe. More alienation.

    Whatever the underlying psychology, his deeply butt hurt rants are exercises in confusion, illogic and of course the fundamental demand that white guys must continue to provide … Nick Diaz with the good life but under no circumstances be free to order there lives and the nation they’ve built as they see fit.

    Nick’s a walking argument for “separate nations”. How much better would our lives be if we weren’t carrying him?

    So best approach–ignore him completely and hopefully he’ll tire of ranting here and Nick Diaz all over someone else’s site.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  62. @Nick Diaz

    Dear Mr. Diaz- I realize that you are a very masculine, butt-slammin, retired MMA star, but would you mind very much explaining that

    Anal sex is also the preferred type of sex for straight people, and straight porn clearly shows that.

    (?)

    I’ve tried to explain this to my wife repeatedly but she’s not buying. Thank you.

    • Replies: @Kim
  63. Lagertha says:
    @AnotherDad

    Just don’t respond. I told him to STFU, like 2 years ago. I hate people who are obnoxious, and I don’t care. Don’t gives – these people have no one who gives.

  64. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Fewer ice cream and less Oreos, damn you!

  65. vhrm says:
    @Lagertha

    …I hold my breath for as long as I can when someone passes me on a trail. Hahhaaaa! I am serious about “my space.”

    heh. Lately I’ve been doing some of this (or at least shallow breathing) whenever i walk through anyone’s plume as I’m out and about.

    But i fear serious damage if this practice of regarding each other as lepers sets in. Disgust is a pretty powerful emotion (presumably evolved for just this purpose!) but if it goes out of control it’ll be like a social autoimmune disease.

  66. Kim says:
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Also, few people any longer use few or fewer.

  67. Kim says:
    @mark green

    Giving or taking it up the stinker is a recreation only for the mentally ill.

  68. black sea says:
    @Nick Diaz

    If you truly were concerned about the health of gay men, you would suggest education campaigns about condom usage and such.

    Just how many gay men in the current era do you suppose are unaware of the prophylactic benefits of condom use, and of those who somehow remain ignorant of this effect, why do you think “education campaigns” — of which there are already innumerable examples — would rectify their ignorance?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  69. @International Jew

    We’ll have an increase in babies, from people cooped up together.

    Same thing happens in jail, and the army.

  70. vhrm says:

    4:55 p.m. Marin County to close all parks: All parks in Marin County will be closed immediately under an order from the county’s Public Health Division. The closure includes town, city and county parks, open preserves, state parks and federal areas including the Point Reyes National Seashore and Muir Woods National Monument, according to a county release. The order comes one day after visitors crowded Marin County beaches and parks despite California’s shelter-in-place order. Marin County Sheriff’s Sgt. Brenton Schneider said crowds were “creating unsafe conditions for employees” at local businesses who were “fearful about all the close contact that they’re witnessing.” The parks closure impacts more than 18,000 acres managed by the county.

    via: (but it’s a feed so don’t know how permanent it is)
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-live-updates-Bay-Area-California-cases-15100710.php#photo-19200568

    This is the area just north of the Golden Gate Bridge …

    notice how it’s phrased: The sheriff is doing this because some cashiers are fearful because they’re WITNESSING close contact between other people.

    i don’t even know how to describe this car crash of psychological “safe spaces” , busybodyism and petty tyranny.

    For a few days this was tolerable but it’s already starting to veer into Stanford Prison Experiment territory…
    (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment )

    edit: the news release https://www.marincounty.org/main/county-press-releases/press-releases/2020/hhs-covid-parksclosure-032220

  71. @Neil Templeton

    It’s the classic “Type I vs. Type II errors” scenario in real life: rather than risk even the slightest chance of any blame, politicians would rather impose enormous pain and suffering on hundreds of millions of Americans.

    Authorities will hide behind “better safe than sorry” and most Americans will nod in agreement.

    But it was always a false dichotomy- daily random sampling tests of the general population would have told us weeks ago whether this thing is really spreading at an exponential rate or not.

    (Steve suggested that last week.)

    I suspect we don’t know because the authorities don’t want the answer publicized: this may well be no more lethal to the general population than the flu, and if so, then they will take the blame for shutting down America.

    Remember, this is all about avoiding blame.

  72. @Thomas

    “Something similar appears to be happening in the Pacific Northwest. The Oregon coast has apparently been swamped this weekend.”

    Parks everywhere in Oregon are jammed with humanity and caninity. Local hatestream media are also out and about, driving every which way to packed beaches and parks, desperately failing to scold us back into our homes – and proving by their travels and proximity to crowds that they don’t actually believe in CoronaHoax.

  73. @JimDandy

    David Cole at Taki’s nailed this down last year:

    “that same weekend: Clint Eastwood’s Richard Jewell, a film tailor-made for the right. And even though Jewell was drubbed by leftist critics, you might be surprised to learn that it was also the subject of a boycott by conservatives. Yes, conservatives tried to sink a conservative-friendly film, and not for the first time this year. Back in August, a bunch of low-IQ Fox News ’tards bullied Universal into shelving a pro-“deplorables” action film called The Hunt because they misunderstood the trailer and failed to research the conservative bona fides of the producer. As a result, moron conservatives “canceled” one of the most ballsy pro-rightist films ever released by a studio.”

    https://www.takimag.com/article/hollywood-conservatives-year-of-self-harm/

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  74. Wilkey says:

    I hope the federal government has budgeted for all the new tax deductions people will be claiming nine months from now. And I hope by then that hospitals are sufficiently recovered from the Bat Soup Flu epidemic that they can handle the crush at the maternity wards.

    Incidentally I also think it’s hysterical that the latest epidemic is caused by what we have been told for years it was racist to mock: Chinese dietary habits. Is Bat Soup standard culinary fare for Fancy Asians, or is it mostly a favorite of Hillbilly Asians – the equivalent of Possum and Hog Jowls and Gizzards?

    Speaking of which, that sounds like a great idea for a TV series reboot: the Beverly Hillbillies, but with a Chinese family that routinely eats dog burgers and bat soup. Perhaps this time they can even let Jane Hathaway out of the closet and have her chasing Uncle Jing’s hot daughter, Ming Mae, instead of the bumpkin nephew.

  75. @Nick Diaz

    If you truly were concerned about the health of gay men, you would suggest education campaigns about condom usage and such. You prefer, instead, to argue that their bars should be raided by the police and gay men prohibited from having casual sex.

    We’re now in the fourth decade of ‘education.’ Does taking it up the shit cave make you guys illiterate? Are we really to believe that all of these guys rooting around in the intestines of complete strangers several times a week would use condoms if they just knew about them?

    As I’ve said before, every problem to a conservative is a moral issue, even when it is clearly not.

    It’s always been a moral issue how society should treat a community of pederasts who desire to turn their own colons into petri dishes. Maybe the problem is a Felching-American lobby that turns it into a question of ‘rights.’

  76. slumber_j says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah: my family and I have bugged out to Connecticut, where our house is right at the entrance to a state park. It and all similar places were completely jammed over the weekend: taking a walk in the woods is now just about the only thing anyone can think of doing to relieve the stir-craziness and get some outdoor exercise.

  77. JimDandy says:
    @Jeff Albertson

    Thanks. But I’m guessing that the “Hollywood bowed to conservative pressure” storyline is reductive.

  78. Rob says:
    @Nick Diaz

    First, what kind of porn are you watching that it’s mostly anal. Second, since anal is so popular with straights, and carries the same risk it does for gays, how did straight people avoid AIDS? Is the popularity of anal a recent change in preference? If so, are you predicting an explosion in straight women’s HIV rate? Why not?

    Second, it’s not that we see the aryan girl as a victim and not the illegal. We see the white girl as ours and the illegal as an alien who needs to go home. We thought this long before Chinese Bat Soup Lung Disease.

    On the responsibility of the Chinese, is this the first zoonotic disease with its origin in China? If it’s not, then it seems the Chinese have some moral responsibility for this one. I do hold Chinese travelers responsible for spreading it. They are not all uneducated peasants, and have a responsibility not to spread disease in the generous countries that accept their diaspora.

    As to the IV drug users and HIV, I agree completely. That was a plague that could have been avoided with different policies. Now that more opioid users buy over the internet, maybe shooting galleries won’t become popular again.

    In a sense, though, the gay plague was avoidable, too. Had the bath houses been closed back when HIV was still GRIDS, lots of lives would have been saved. While the causal organism was not known, that it was an STD was perfectly clear. It was confined to gay men (and IV drug users), and did not spread through casual contact.

    Did you ever read Gabriel Rotello’s Sexual Ecology? Interesting book. He mentions that lots of gay men did no believe health officials’ warnings about AIDS (maybe GRIDS at the time.) They thought that straight people were making it up to discourage gay sec, a conspiracy theory. Later, when infection rates were 40-60%, they thought that HIV had been created to kill gay men. They basically never passed through a ‘wait, are we doing something wrong?’ phase.

    On the plus side, anal sex is, or so gay people have told me, not very common anymore. Older gay men who had anal sex are mostly dead, and young gay men never got into it, because it spread a horrible disease. If that’s true, then homosexual AIDS in the first world is on the way out, seceded by heterosexual AIDS amongst promiscuous third world era with high rates of infection with other STDs.

  79. @Lagertha

    Babies will be born in November and December.

    Better hurry up, though. Children born after Dec 31 won’t qualify for a 2020 IRS exemption.

    However, the unborn, i.e., gestating, are counted for some benefits. WIC is one, I think.

  80. @Nick Diaz

    Anal sex is also the preferred type of sex for straight people, and straight porn clearly shows that.

    Maybe in your neighborhood… I won’t be eating there anytime soon.

    …died not because their sexuality is innately inferior, but because they didn’t wear condoms and other prophylactics.

    Condoms are completely unnecessary for a healthy sex life. They just get in the way.

    Those people in Wuhan are mostly poor and uneducated, and they had no idea that eating bat soup or whatever carried that risk.

    Didn’t their single-payer barefoot doctors warn them?

  81. @black sea

    …would rectify their ignorance?

    We need a “Nice one!” button. Or a rimshot.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  82. @Wilkey

    Squirls, boy.
    Dam fine eatin

    • Replies: @sayless
  83. @Lagertha

    Plus, the frogs are “signaling/chattering” and it is joyous to witness – just 2 weeks, every year, in snow country. Stop talking when you are in the woods – respect others.

    “Bastard Frogs. Fooken shuttit”.
    “Dan, d’ye have a sight on ’em?”
    t. Lt Richard Sharpe

  84. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AnotherDad

    Are we going to have increase in marriages or an increase in divorces?

    In Britain Boris Johnson has banned weddings.

    More interesting, will we see an increase or a decrease in the birth rate? I’m predicting a major decrease. I suspect that this crisis will accelerate the demographic collapse.

  85. dfordoom says: • Website
    @vhrm

    I know shaming and social pressure is how this thing is supposed to be enforced, but one has to be careful when unleashing the hate because it is a blunt instrument and not easy to control.

    I think this crisis is going to lead to a lot more hatred, and very bitter hatred. People are going to be looking for someone to blame. Racial, class, religious, ideological and especially generational hatreds are going to be more virulent than the virus. We’re going to see some very nasty long-term social consequences.

  86. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Wilkey

    And I hope by then that hospitals are sufficiently recovered from the Bat Soup Flu epidemic that they can handle the crush at the maternity wards.

    Yeah, because right now is just the time that people are going to be deciding it would be really smart to start a family. Especially when you consider that if the woman has a difficult pregnancy her chances of getting proper health care are slim.

    This crisis is much more likely to result in plummeting birth rates.

    Amazing how many people don’t realise that it’s possible for people to have more sex (and that is a possible consequence of the crisis) without having more babies.

  87. sayless says:
    @Expletive Deleted

    Rattlesnake. Tastes like chicken. Have heard alligator tail is good too.

  88. vhrm says:

    It might eventually funnel into the group stuff (since it always seems to), but I’m talking about the more basic level that right now the message is:
    – every other human you see except for those living with you in your cave is diseased and infectious
    – you shouldn’t touch them, shouldn’t even touch anything they touched. If you do, wash your hands or sanitize as soon as possible.
    – don’t even breathe the same air as them.

    add to that: anyone who doesn’t follow the (somewhat arbitrary and off the cuff) rules to a T is taking advantage and also going to kill you and your grandmother.

    Disgust doesn’t turn on a dime, but the longer this soaks in the larger after-effect it’ll leave

  89. Dissident says:
    @SFG

    Men like to f***, and gay men don’t have women slowing them down.

    1.) That’s only part of the story. The other part is the fact that buggery (anal penetration) and other prevalent male homosexual practices are inherently inordinately disease-spreading (and not just of HIV). (Homosexual buggery even more-so than heterosexual buggery,

    [MORE]
    not just because of the far greater incidence of the former but also because the primary mode of pathogen transmission is from the buggerer (penetrative partner) to the bugeree (receptive partner) and women obviously are limited to the latter role.) The staggeringly disproportionately high STD rates for homosexually active males would not exist if that demographic’s primary sexual practices were non-penetrative acts such as Frot [GRAPHIC CONTENT. Citing =/= Endorsement.] or intercrural.

    2.) I will quote from a past comment that is highly germane here:

    Wouldn’t that alone constitute strong evidence that doctrinal assertions to the contrary notwithstanding, homosexuality is clearly not an equivalent and no less wholesome alternative to heterosexuality? Does not the moderating effect of the more sexually reserved nature of women that you articulated not serve a net social good?

    I concluded that comment by reminding people that

    the relevant question in this discussion is not so much whether those who engage in homosexual acts and behaviors should be persecuted or prosecuted. Few today would argue for either (though there is, if nothing else, a strong public health argument in favor of at least restricting male homosexual behaviors). The question, rather, is whether such deviant acts, behaviors and lifestyles should be normalized, promoted and celebrated, as they presently are under the ruling orthodoxy.

    • Replies: @Nico
    , @anon
  90. Nico says:
    @Dissident

    This has been my position for quite some time.

    I do however maintain that sodomy laws should be on the books. Not because I support random raids of people’s houses when they’ve got “friends” over but because when things start getting out of hand in denser, more visible areas they are an invaluable recourse for nipping the problem in the bud before it spreads like wildfire.

  91. Nico says:
    @Nick Diaz

    Anal sex is also the preferred type of sex for straight people, and straight porn clearly shows that.

    This is the sort of extrapolation that would be expected from either

    1. a gay man engaging in wishful thinking related to fantasies about luring straight guys into “experimentations,” or
    2. a virgin who hasn’t figured out that porn depicts real-life sex about as accurately as Boogie Nights depicted the porn industry.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  92. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dissident

    You surely do like to comment here about homosexual practices a lot. Why?

    @Nico – Diaz is a troll who craves attention. Please do not feed him.

    • Replies: @Nico
  93. @syonredux

    That’s a very very nice telephoto lens. Kinda like the shots of Mt. Baldy behind the DTLA skyline.

    Speaking of Mt. Baldy. . . . our governor has not closed down those parking lots as of this afternoon.

  94. Nico says:
    @anon

    As you like, though I admit I tended to see the thing as rather a willing LOLcow.

  95. Dissident says:
    @Nico

    Nick Diaz wrote:

    Anal sex is also the preferred type of sex for straight people, and straight porn clearly shows that.

    Nico replied:

    This is the sort of extrapolation that would be expected from either

    1. a gay man engaging in wishful thinking related to fantasies about luring straight guys into “experimentations,” or
    2. a virgin who hasn’t figured out that porn depicts real-life sex about as accurately as Boogie Nights depicted the porn industry.

    or,
    3. A textbook example of a troll. (In which case, it wasn’t really an extrapolation in the first place.)

    [MORE]

    That one sentence you quoted and responded-to from Nick Diaz, even if the rest of his comment remained ambiguous, makes me think that he is more likely than not a more sophisticated, elaborate version of Tiny Duck.

    Incidentally, when did use of the term virgin for males enter common usage?
    ~ ~ ~
    Nice to cross paths here with you again, Nico. Thank you, incidentally, for your reply to my comment in this thread.

    I will take this opportunity to reiterate my appreciation of the thoughtful and cordial replies you had made to me during the exchange we had back around December. (As I recall it, I had acknowledged your final reply to me with an official Unz Review “Thanks”. But regrettably only after some delay, causing me to fear you may never have seen my “reaction” to that final comment of yours.)
    ——————————————-
    anon[104]’s question to me needs no response but I will invoke the immortal words of the late talk-radio icon Bob Grant nonetheless. “Somebody’s gotta say these things, unfortunately it has to be me“. Alternate version: “Somebody’s gotta say these things, it might as well be me.”

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