Sure, in the 1900s a Boston judge decided that if Jewish people should count as white to the U.S. government, so should Armenians, but as the years have passed it has become more and more clear that those simplistic ways of lumping together various cultures and ethnicities aren’t valid anymore. Which is to say that Odenkirk, with his Irish and German ancestry, simply isn’t believable as someone whose name is Bagdikian. He’s just not.

Well, as I’ve said before, I’m looking forward to when they retcon the George Deukmejian vs Tom Bradley gubernatorial races as POC vs POC affairs….Guess all those racists who voted for Deukmejian sure got rooked….

Of Armenian descent, Connors was born Krekor Ohanian in Fresno, California in 1925. His father was Krekor Ohanian (1881–1944)[2] and his mother was Alice (1898–1978).[3] They married in 1920 and had three children, Dorthy M., Arpesri A. and Krekor.[4][5] At school, he often got into fights due to the discrimination faced against Armenians,[6] who were looked upon as outsiders. He stated this made his family more close.[7]

If you stop to think about it, nothing puts the lie to the notion of ‘White Privilege’ more simply than the fact that at present any group that plausibly can attempts to be classified as something other than white. If whites had meaningful privilege in our society simply by virtue of their ethnicity then anyome who could would want to be seen as white.

There was a time in America that any group that could was desperate to be classifiednas white. In the early 20th century South Asians took it to the Supreme Court. I belive a Turkish immigrant did at some point as well. In the 1950s Mexican-Americans lobbied to be included as white and nothing else. Clearly if people wanted to be seen as white then there must be advantages to it in those days.

Just as clearly, since today people want to be seen as not white, then there the advantages lie. South Asians have changed completely and like their Asian classification, Hispanics now guard their own category, and Middle Eastern Muslims and now even (some) Armenians apparently are trying to get theirs.

Now if you had Chuck Connors instead of Mike Connors, that could have been a few chapters.

And you all remember the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode of the Swedish lawyer pretending to be Jewish:

“Whitewashing is everywhere; whitewashing happens every day; and it feels like a new wound every time, especially when it’s an actor who is beloved. ”

Steve,

Let us leave “race realism” and go to “tribalism”. There are 2 “white” tribes now. You say as much – “Good” whites vs “Bad” whites. A time for choosing?

Lots of Armenians around Fresno. For example, William Saroyan:

William Saroyan[2] (/səˈrɔɪ.ən/; August 31, 1908 – May 18, 1981) was an American novelist, playwright, and short story writer. He was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Drama in 1940, and in 1943 won the Academy Award for Best Story for the film adaptation of his novel The Human Comedy.
An Armenian American, Saroyan wrote extensively about the Armenian immigrant life in California. Many of his stories and plays are set in his native Fresno.[3] Some of his best-known works are The Time of Your Life, My Name Is Aram and My Heart’s in the Highlands.
He has been described in a Dickinson College news release as “one of the most prominent literary figures of the mid-20th century”[4] and by Stephen Fry as “one of the most underrated writers of the [20th] century.” Fry suggests that “he takes his place naturally alongside Hemingway, Steinbeck and Faulkner.

Gotta confess, I had no idea that Stephen Fry was a fan….

William Saroyan was born on August 31, 1908 in Fresno, California, to Armenak and Taguhi Saroyan, Armenian immigrants from Bitlis, Ottoman Empire. His father came to New York in 1905 and started preaching in Armenian Apostolic churches.[6]
At the age of three, after his father’s death, Saroyan, along with his brother and sister, was placed in an orphanage in Oakland, California. He later went on to describe his experience in the orphanage in his writings. Five years later, the family reunited in Fresno, where his mother, Takoohi, had already secured work at a cannery. He continued his education on his own, supporting himself with jobs, such as working as an office manager for the San Francisco Telegraph Company.
Saroyan decided to become a writer after his mother showed him some of his father’s writings. A few of his early short articles were published in Overland Monthly. His first stories appeared in the 1930s. Among these was “The Broken Wheel”, written under the name Sirak Goryan and published in the Armenian journal Hairenik in 1933. Many of Saroyan’s stories were based on his childhood experiences among the Armenian-American fruit growers of the San Joaquin Valley or dealt with the rootlessness of the immigrant. The short story collection My Name is Aram (1940), an international bestseller, was about a young boy and the colorful characters of his immigrant family. It has been translated into many languages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Saroyan

Guess he’s POC now…

If there is such a thing as whitewashing shouldn’t there also, for the sake of consistancy, be something called “blackwashing”?

For example, isn’t Lou degasse tyson or whatever his name is an example of blackwashing? What about the cosby show in the 1980s wasn’t that blackwashing. How about ‘tard Te genius in the Atlantic? Blackwashing. The black NASA space women are blackwashing no? Barach bin Obama is blackwashing. The black guy doing the weather on morning TV is blackwashing. etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=73&v=qXBswFfh6AY

Hey, who knew that ’30s Hollywood was that liberal on race, allowing a POC like Rouben Mamoulian to direct movies:

Mamoulian was born in Tbilisi, Georgia (ruled at that time by imperial Russia), to an Armenian family. His mother Virginia (née Kalantarian) was a director of the Armenian theater, and his father, Zachary Mamoulian, was a bank president.[2] Mamoulian relocated to England and started directing plays in London in 1922. He was brought to America the next year by Vladimir Rosing to teach at the Eastman School of Music and was involved in directing opera and theatre.
In 1925, Mamoulian was head of the School of Drama, where Martha Graham was also working at the time. Among other performances, together they produced a short two-color film called The Flute of Krishna, featuring Eastman students. Mamoulian left Eastman shortly after and Graham chose to leave also, even though she was asked to stay on. In 1930, Mamoulian became a naturalized citizen of the United States. Child star Jackie Cooper stated in his autobiography that Rouben Mamoulian was his uncle, and this fact helped establish Cooper’s early movie career.

He directed his first feature film in 1929, Applause, which was one of the earliest talkies. It was a landmark film owing to Mamoulian’s innovative use of camera movement and sound, and these qualities were carried through to his other films released in the 1930s. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1931) benefits from having been made before the Production Code came into full force, and is regularly considered the best version of Robert Louis Stevenson’s tale. Queen Christina (1933) was the last film Greta Garbo made with John Gilbert, and also benefits from being made before the Production Code came into full force. The musical film Love Me Tonight was released in 1932.
He directed the first three-strip Technicolor film, Becky Sharp (1935), based on Thackeray’s Vanity Fair, as well as the 1937 musical High, Wide, and Handsome. His next two films earned him wide admiration, The Mark of Zorro (1940) and Blood and Sand (1941), both remakes of silent films. Blood and Sand, on bullfighting, was filmed in Technicolor, and used color schemes based on the work of Spanish artists such as Diego Velázquez and El Greco. His foray into screwball comedy genre in 1942 was a success with Rings on Her Fingers starring Henry Fonda and Gene Tierney.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouben_Mamoulian

Stephen Fry may have been an early adopter of pita bread.

Similarly, Streep isn’t Jewish like Graham and Hanks is more Portuguese than the Boston Brahmin Bradlee,

Here’s something else that I didn’t know: Bradlee is related to the Crowninshield family:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowninshield_family

Liza Sheridan (WASP) and Barney Martin (Irish Catholic) played Jerry Seinfeld’s Jewish parents on his show. They look totally Jewish.

He stated this made his family more close.

The incorrect writing suggests this information was almost certainly written by a foreigner (an Armenian or other uppity alien with an axe to grind?); otherwise it would read closer. (Comparative adjectives are one of the most useful tells of foreigners, because it is difficult for all but native speakers to know when to use more and most versus the er and iest suffixes.)

Which is to say that Odenkirk, with his Irish and German ancestry, simply isn’t believable as someone whose name is Bagdikian. He’s just not.

It is striking that, in recent years, the unserious, insistent and childish formulation “it’s just not” has crept into adult speech and is gaining acceptance as being sufficient argumentation.

The infantilization of our public discourse continues, apace.

The first line of that article troubles me.

It’s 2017, the year all of our hellscape nightmares came to life

I don’t know where Roxana Hadidi comes from, but it must be a pretty great place if the United States now resembles her “hellscape nightmares”.

It’s tempting to suggest that maybe she should go back there, but I’m more interested right now in what exactly she thinks is so bad about things here.

Are things really appreciably worse for anyone now than they were a year ago, with the possible exception of illegal immigrants? It doesn’t really seem like it.

Women like her scared themselves silly about what would happen if Trump won, and now that he has, you’d think they’d be breathing a huge sigh of relief that all of those concentration camps they were worried about have failed to materialize. But they aren’t. Instead, they exist in some twilight world that superficially resembles the real world, except that everything is terrible.

It’s tempting to think that they’re just play-acting, but I really don’t think they are. I think they broke their brains on election night. Now they have a real disorder, like mass depression. When you’re depressed, everything looks the same and sounds the same, but just seems awful. That really seems to be what these people are going through.

On the one hand, I guess I ought to feel sorry for them. I’m sure it’s no fun for them, and it’s not their fault they’re so dumb that they believed all the prophecies of doom they were hearing. On the other hand, I don’t like them, and I know for a fact that they hate me and would like nothing more than to render me unemployable and living under a bridge, eating out of a garbage can.

So it’s a tough call.

Also, making a movie about how great the Washington Post is seems like a really douchebag thing to do.

Which is to say that Odenkirk, with his Irish and German ancestry, simply isn’t believable as someone whose name is Bagdikian.

Armenians are simply not believable as Armenians.

Which is to say that Odenkirk, with his Irish and German ancestry, simply isn’t believable as someone whose name is Bagdikian. He’s just not.

Lin-Manuel Miranda as someone whose name is “Alexander Hamilton”, on the other hand…

One thing I found weird was how many Asians were not played by Asian actors.

David Carradine in ‘Kung Fu’ was one example that is well known.

Even weirder was Khan Noonien Singh (a Sikh). I understand that there were few Sikhs to draw from, so Ricardo Montalban got the role in the late 60s.

But now, in the reboot, Khan is Benedict Cumberbatch? Because to choose an actor of the same race as the character is racist, since the character is a villain? They actually said that. I don’t understand.

Biggest flight from white involves white britons who cast blacks as historical britons

Pretty amusing, Steve. But it would matter more if it had been published someplace better known than Pajiba, whatever that is.

Should porn star Christy Canyon have performed under her family name to satisfy ethnic bean counters?

Yes, Spielberg is often right about such things. But he is against against ragers and house parties in the Hollywood Hills. At least 2 fine, young, upstanding American millennials are fighting against the L.A. fascists. Chad and JT Fight for House Parties in Hollywood Hills.

(Well, at least they are not the whiney SJW types).

Saroyan is unaccountably popular with sissy upper class Brits like Fry and the late C. Hitchens. This is out of proportion to literary quality which is unexceptional IMO. It’s a weird thing, like how chavs & Irish celebrate the work of unfunny cranks like Bill Hicks and Lewis Black, and how Russians worship Michael Jackson

“Northwestern-looking guy with Southeastern energy and chutzpah” – So true. He’s like a friendlier Ari Gold/Jeremy Piven.

While binge-watching “The Rogues” (1964-1965), recently, I noticed that an episode had been written by the creators of “Mannix”:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0688249/

Notice the name of the character played by actor J.D. Cannon (best known for his role in “McCloud”).

He had a well-known cousin, too:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0046564/?ref_=tt_cl_t7

If you stop to think about it, nothing puts the lie to the notion of ‘White Privilege’ more simply than the fact that at present any group that plausibly can attempts to be classified as something other than white. If whites had meaningful privilege in our society simply by virtue of their ethnicity then anyone who could would want to be seen as white.

But if you stop to think about something, that’s the same as noticing, which we do know is a crime of the first magnitude. The important thing is to repeat that everything white is bad and must be destroyed.

Has this Hadadi person asked any Armenian what they think of it? Or has she decided they aren’t worthy of being asked and decided to speak for them? Creating an issue where none may exist.

One of my favorite flicks of the period is “Cabin in the Sky” starring an all-black cast like it weren’t no thing, including Lena Horne, Ethel Waters, Rex Ingram, Louis Armstrong and the inimitable Eddie ‘Rochester’ Anderson. Directed by Vincente Minnelli, no less. Made right in the middle of WWII.

When you think about it, “it’s just not” is of a piece with “I can’t even.”

Because some things are like so true that they’re just so true!!!!

Wow, what a cast. Worth watching I take it?

Never heard of it before. I do like pre-Hart-Celler television.

(And before anyone gets all spergy about H-C, it didn’t take effect until June 30, 1968.)

Bagdikian looks like Allan Holdsworth RIP

OT:

This is the headline currently topping Twitter’s recently revamped page for trending topics:

“Trump reportedly drinks a dozen Diet Cokes a day”

. . . based on a featured article in our country’s self-styled paper-of-record:

https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/939556267462406144

Can articles of impeachment and a Senate trial be far behind . . . ?!?

OK, well, I don’t know anything about that, but I do know that Hillary Clinton likes Diet Dr Pepper.

She dismisses her role in the destruction of the veteran travel office staff members as an example of people trying too hard to please her after an offhand comment, like the time she said she liked Diet Dr Pepper and was deluged with it for years

I feel bad about this, because I, too, prefer Dr Pepper to Coca-Cola.

I feel as though I should feel shame or something.

Never seen a nose like that before – and I’ve been around a lot.

Reminds me of a ship’s rudder in terms of size, shape and dimensions.

Bob Odenkirk actually wrote one of the funniest sketches related to the flag.

I don’t know why “Brooklyn Lincoln” is so funny, but he is.

On second thoughts, after watching David Attenborough’s superb ‘Blue Planet II’ , he reminds me of a Puffin.

I can’t decide which aspect of this is dumbest:
A) It’s ACTING. The whole point is to pretend to be someone you aren’t.
B) Armenians are WHITE. They come from the Caucasus. Moreover, they are culturally CHRISTIAN. Armenia claims to be the first Christian nation ever. (This might matter for those who claim that Turks, Jews, etc., aren’t “really” white for cultural reasons.)

Sure, some dumbass Armenians in LA and in Armenia act like cheesy gangsters. So it is. Chastise them for their stupidity and decrepitude. But there is no need to tolerate utter nonsense. (Humans of every background can act like degenerate fools, and do.)

(Maybe “Roxana Hadadi”, presumably named after Alexander’s lover, and living as a Western feminist, shouldn’t be “cast” as an Iranian.)

This dude is from the Caucasus. He is very proud of being white and not afraid to say so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov

They could have gotten Eric Bogosian, but who ever went to movie because Eric Bogosian was in it?

And you all remember the Curb Your Enthusiasm episode of the Swedish lawyer pretending to be Jewish:

Yeah nah… didn’t see it. Did I miss anything?

Hmmmm….boxing tends to break the cartilage of the nose, flattening the bridge down.

Stephen Fry may have been an early adopter of pita bread

Stephen Fry > “pita bread” = young boys.

David Carradine’s character in Kung Fu wasn’t supposed to be Asian.

Cher (Cherilyn Sarkisian) played an Italian-American in Moonstruck. I disavow.

She is also not a Gypsy. A tramp, perhaps. As far as a thief goes, it remains to be seen.

Cher is half-Armenian, which is why she looks nothing like her blonde mother and half-sister.

“Will no one rid me of this meddlesome travel office staff”. Henry the Second had to take a flogging by priests for allowing his loyal knights to murder Thomas Becket. The Clintons owe us that, at least.

Here is a surprising one about whose origins I had forgotten:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlene_Francis

In general:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Armenian_Americans#Actors

Half-Asian, actually.

OT: Something you might look into, Steve. There is a move for rent control in Glendale, Capital of Armenian America. Might that be a move against all those White landlords who have owned their property longer than the Armenians have been there? Make those rentals unprofitable, Armenians buy them up, and get around rent control with customary Middle Eastern under-the-counter payment, or even get the rent control law repealed?

Bring on the MENA (Middle Eastern/North African) census category. I am all for Armenians and anybody else who wants out of the White race to be allowed to do so. It’s good to know who your friends are and who are not.

Right. Checking Wikipedia though, Carradine’s Caine was supposed to be half-Chinese, the son of an American father and a Chinese woman. He gets orphaned and raised in a shaolin monastery.

In the ’90s sequel series, the mother Caine’s San Francisco cop son was a white California hippy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rogues_(TV_series)

One has to judge it by the relatively low production values of mid-1960s television, compared to today’s, especially for shows that needed to pretend to be jet-setting around the world to luxurious and exotic locales. It did win a Golden Globe as the best television series of that season– but then, the Golden Globes were rather notorious, back in the day! I enjoy it for some of its regular cast, especially Charles Boyer and David Niven (the latter of whom seldom appears, I am afraid; perhaps he had movie commitments during that year?), but especially for its guest stars, many of whom were virtually unknown at the time. I also love seeing New York, Paris, London, Rome, etc., when they still were native cities, rather than multicultural cosmopolises, whenever location filming actually was able to be done for the show’s exterior shots. As for Hart-Celler, it was signed into law months after “The Rogues” ended its brief run. Whenever I do watch it, I find it very difficult to get Nelson Riddle’s theme song to stop running through my head!

By definition Armenians are white, just like Chechens and the brothers Tsarnaev, who are so all American that one was featured on the cover of Rolling Stone.

I am a white nationalist, so obviously who is white is a very important question. Since racial traits have a clear transition across regions such as where Armenia is, one needs to draw a line somewhere. I think that Armenia should not be included as white, it is too close to the middle east and their history is no doubt full of migrations of an mixing of people that came from the middle east and central Asia, even looking at that picture they look more Arab than European to me. If you don’t draw the line at Armenia, then where you exactly? Are Kurds white, or is it at Iran, or are even Pakistanis now white?

I need to see her review of ‘The Promise’.

“it feels like a new wound every time”

You mean the sort of wound every time the Royal Shakespeare Company cast a black Hippolyte, Juliet or Hamlet?

https://www.rsc.org.uk/

Never mind, here’s some soothing Armenian music. Caucasus music is quite non-European, but that dancer does look like she might have performed in Knossos a couple of millennia back.

The only example of possible blackwashing mentioned in your post concerns Hidden Figures. For the main character at least, who at the Oscars appeared fairly white despite being part-black. But that’s really more quibbling over shades of black.

Actual blackwashing consists of turning previously non-black people or characters into blacks. The most famous recent example was Idris Elba playing Norse God Heimdall in Thor. That “controversy” actually made the press.

They come from the internet, mostly.

This is an example of Flight from White but at the same time part of the Diversity Turf War. There are only so many prominent film roles, and lots of out-of-work actors of (slight) color. Why should white guys keep getting jobs when the roles aren’t 100% lilly-white? I might ask why they should get work at all, but one step at a time.

If persons of slight color can be working, they must. Therefore, no one should be allowed to play a different race. Unless they’re white. Whites can’t play other races, but other races can play any race, because white privilege. Ever notice that the fadish “colorblind casting” almost always works for non-whites, rather than whites?

This writer is obviously doing click-baity work, but the idea might be to set up a Diversity Casting Council to oversee all casting decisions in Hollywood and beyond. Like the religious leaders Josh Brolin brings in to complain about his Christ picture in Hail, Caesar. If this guy person grows tired of trashy journalism, a sinecure could be in it for them.

Jewish Jerry Stiller, on the other hand, played the least convincing Italian ever.

“He’s like a friendlier Ari Gold/Jeremy Piven”

Odenkirk’s character in Larry Sanders is based on the real-life Ari Gold.

I think it was because in the original episode he had some heavy makeup to darken his skin and by the time of the film they decided not to use his full name or his origins in India and have Ricardo just be Ricardo to avoid all that.

When they idiotically decided to bring him back they had no idea what to do. Make him Cuban? I think Abrams also wanted to keep him secret so casting somebody who looks neither Sikh or like Ricardo Montalban was a way to do it.

As you said the idea that a man derived from selective human breeding and genetic engineering to perfection (Not exactly with the original character but the new one is so overblown I’ll say ‘perfection’. Blood that cures all diseases and can bring somebody killed by radiation poisoning back from death…) leads to an ethnic Sikh who looks like an Englishman, has some unfortunate implications. Made more amusing by their use of ‘person of color’ and feeling that having the only (Other than Uhura, it’s amazing how white the new Star Trek actually is) non-white character be a murderous villain would be racist.

Exactly. The careers of Rachel Dolezal and Shaun King prove beyond all dispute that “white privilege”, if it exists at all, is often outweighed by white anti-privilege (for lack of a better term).

Can anyone imagine even the most mentally ill individual alive 100 years ago pretending to be black despite zero black ancestry?

Odenkirk sounds like a Chicagoan to me, and there are a lot of those in comedy if not elsewhere in Hollywood. Presumably because of the Second City thing. I’m just going to assume he’s a Second Citier, because he came up through Saturday Night Live.

He’s a character-actor type, not a leading-man type. So it’s probably hard for him to play Middle-Americans. He ends up playing ethnic-types, or people of hidden, tricky ethnicities. Alberichian characters, like the agent on Larry Sanders or Saul Goodman.

Kwai Chao Kaine (I hope the spelling’s correct) was portrayed in the pilot as a half-Chinese, half-American boy. The grand master of the Shaolin order (or whatever he was called) says that the order has never admitted such a boy but that it’s time for things to change. Kung Fu had a good pilot but the program became a self-parody: for 90% of the episode Kaine talks about non-violence and the final 10% was Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee–martial arts fighting, with Kaine always winning, without so much as a scratch, IIRC.

I liked Keither Carradine better than David as an actor. Southern Comfort, where he played alongside the late Powers Booth, was underrated.

I saw in your later post that you checked it on Wikipedia.

The incorrect writing suggests this information was almost certainly written by a foreigner (an Armenian or other uppity alien with an axe to grind?); otherwise it would read closer.

Because English native speakers never make grammatical errors lol. I suggest you improve your own “incorrect writing” before diving more deep down the grammar sniffing rabbit hole.

You’ve heard of the Crowningshield family, but not of the full name, Benjamin Crowningshield Bradlee? Interesting.

“I don’t recall anybody complaining back then about Mannix being brown-washed.”

Back then most of us watched Mannix on Black & White televisions … I don’t think we could perceive Brown-washing, much less conceive of it.

Whenever I read a highly pretentious comment on here, it is from you more often than not. It is also more likely than not to be based on a false premise. I doubt any other person would claim that “more close” doesn’t sound like something a native speaker would say.

The Odenkirk character at the end there, I think named “Droopy,” is my favorite Mr. Show reccurring character. David Cross was more the slacker, at least in appearance. Odenkirk was almost always in a suit. But with Droopy he played the slackest slacker ever.

Well, okay, he has too much ambition here to be the paradigmatic slacker. But he’s going about getting the job in the slackest way possible. Plus, there’s something about the quality of his voice. He sounds like a human version of Garfield, and the entire world is Mondays.

In another sketch, Droopy is inexplicably friends with Cross as the world’s most hipsterish hipster, who won’t refer to television as “t.v.” because “t.v.” is a nickname, nicknames are for friends, and “Television is NO friend of mine.”

At the risk of appearing to nitpick, I humbly dispute your wording. It’s not that childish phrases are creeping into adult speech; it’s that [arguably] more people are reaching physical maturity without reaching adult levels of psychological maturity.

As Ms. Hadidi might say, she’s just not an adult, although perhaps I am holding female adults in general to a higher standard than I ought to.

While we are on this subject, I should note that one of the manly tennis-star Williams sisters just married Alexis Ohanian, one of the cucks who founded reddit, and everyone whom I have seen mentioning his race has called him white. Admittedly, I haven’t sought any discussion of them out, so there is a small sample size here.

I wish someone would explain “whiteness” to me.

When I was growing up, “white” equaled “Caucasian”, and so Armenians and Irish and Germans are all “white”.

Even the Government made up the category “White Non-Hispanic” because no one was claiming Hispanics weren’t mostly Caucasian, I presume because of a general linguistic difference and political interests in promoting and legitimating ethnic nepotism on behalf of Hispanics.

I know to the WN crowd, Hispanics aren’t “white” but I assume because they in general probably have slightly more African ancestry than the average person in South Carolina, and because many don’t speak English.

Today, I understand goodthinkers know that “whiteness” is socially constructed and presumably therefore totally arbitrary, so I don’t know how they can use it as a category for argument.

In the Nineteenth Century, “race” was used to designate ethnic identity, not Continental race groups as later 20th Century anthropologists used the term, before it became social constructed, and before we discovered that these arbitrary Continental race categories correspond to different admixtures with early human hominids (giving groups like the Tibetans a biological means for living in high altitude climates).

Not being a member of the Flat Earth/Blank Slate Society, I recognize I am not “woke”, but “whiteness” has never corresponded with an ethnic group, generally a continental racial group, e.g. Caucasian. Further, I don’t understand if “whiteness” means European, it doesn’t make much sense. Are people going to have a protest if you cast a brown mixed raced person from the West Indies as some African guy? No, if the guy looks mostly African, no one will protest. Wasn’t this actor from America, not Europe, and didn’t his descendants originally come from Africa (if the out of Africa theory is true)?

I do recognize a caveat to the above. Zionism is essentially a political ideology calling for a Jewish ethnostate, and since Jews are Caucasian, Zionism would be a form of White Nationalism, and therefore Zionists would be White Supremacists. Ergo, Jews can’t identify as white and everything is okay because its all socially constructed. . . and this distinction really is socially constructed.

[Dear Mr. Unz, if you are going to allow comment edits at all, may I suggest having no time limits? Each comment could have an accessible edit history. Facebook does this. There’s no editing time limit but all edits are preserved for posterity and can be seen by anyone who can see the comment.]

PS, Ohanian’s mother is Germanic FWIW

History has many, many examples of mass psychosis. Trump Derangement Syndrome is only among the latest. Fortunately, it’s not among the most horrific, nor is it likely to become so.

I thought Elia Kazan was Armenian but he was Anatolian (or actually Cappadocian) Greek. Likewise persecuted by the Turks. The liberal actors who sat on their hands during his lifetime achievement Oscar for his outing commies should be called out for their racism nevertheless.

> “it’s just not”

That’s not infantilization, it’s womanization

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Weren’t we just talking about Baltimore the other day? I wonder how many of the 60% Black population of Baltimore thinks of Roxana as a POC? Maybe her hellscape of a year began when she moved to Baltimore. That city has a few problems but let’s first tackle this Bob Odenkirk casting in the new Spielberg Oscar-bait flick!

Clearly they should have cast Idris Elba instead, like he was cast as Heimdall in Thor.

It’s tempting to think that they’re just play-acting, but I really don’t think they are. I think they broke their brains on election night.

Republicans were the same way after Obama won. And just like now, not much really changed under Obama either. He never confiscated guns, he didn’t cancel the election, he didn’t impose Sharia law.

And before that a lot of liberals freaked out when Bush “stole” the election from Al Gore. But again, for most people life didn’t change very much, and democracy, more or less, kept on going.

And before that a lot of conservatives freaked out when wicked Bill Clinton was elected, an ambitious tyrant who had Vince Foster killed, was out to corrupt our children’s morals, etc. etc.

It’s all just a show more or less. In some ways Trump might be the first President to recognize how little legal authority the President actually has. Trump gets that the President is actually just “entertainer-in-Chief” but he is able to manipulate that power to get things done.

I’m old enough to remember it in color at friends whose parents had sprung for those furniture-size TVs, and never thought he was anything but some white guy with a cool-sounding name. Mannix!

I remember seeing re-runs of The Danny Thomas Show. It was a long time before I found out he was born Amos Muzyad Yakhoob Kairouz and had produced an album of Lebanese folk songs.

I wish someone would explain “whiteness” to me.

Anyone that “Good Whites” don’t like.

Instead, they exist in some twilight world that superficially resembles the real world, except that everything is terrible.

If Philip K. Dick were still alive, he would be having a great time.

It’s really like in The Twilight Zone. Or even better, like in Half-Life 2 where you wake up on the diversity train and suddenly there is masked cops beating on people and razor trains transporting bodies and anti-sex control going on everywhere.

You can even find the comment “Life With Trump as President. ..” right here:

Compromise: their White-passing women can be White if they want to marry one of our guys.

I don’t think it’s useful to say “Armenians aren’t White”. Some of them look White and some of them don’t. Are you a non-ironic Italians are not White guy?

I think White might be best defined at a guy off the street level — would random Americans say “yeah they look White to me”.

Isn’t Armenia quite literally in the Caucasus? Armenians are literally Caucasians?

I am autistically obsessed with racial categorization, so racial categorization is important to me. Since racial traits have an unclear transition, I want to draw a line somewhere. I think that Armenia should not be included as white. It is too close to the middle east and their history is no doubt full of migrations of a mixing of people that came from the middle east and central Asia. Even looking at that picture they look more Arab than European to me. If I don’t draw the line at Armenia, then where would I exactly? Should I consider Kurds white, or Iranians, or even Pakistanis?

FTFY.

Whiteness is relative.

In any hypothetical “white ethnostate” the sanest policy would be to rank groups, and individuals, by how genetically similar and culturally assimilable to the “median white person,” however one chooses to define that.

Very hypothetical, very rough, very tentative example:

If by “median white” we choose, say, Austrians, then Dutch, for instance, would probably get an A-, Celts, Slavs and Western Meds a B, Greeks a C+, Middle eastern Christians a C, Pakistanis and Muslim Arabs a D, Somalians a F-, etc

Yes, the lesson of Kung Fu was that violence never solves anything but actually it does.

Unfortunately, Kung Fu came along at about the same time that we started getting Bruce Lee films, which made Carradine’s martial arts skills look non-existent.

Captain, we’re reaching self-parody levels that shouldn’t even be possible.

> Khan is Benedict Cumberbatch?

What? Hahahaha.

I’m okay with this.

European population must have passed through down there a few times anyway.

Migration map:
Now, cultural differences are something else.

The writer is simply being lazy here. “It’ just not” beats having to struggle with figuring out and expressing the reasons why Odenkirk isn’t believable. The writer FEELS that Odenkirk isn’t believable and that should be enough for her readers.

Another example of the over-feminization and political corruption of our culture.

He also plays an English lamplighter in the upcoming Mary Poppins 2, which is funny since in the right light and a lot of make-up he might look like a Sephardic Jew.

Are you a non-ironic Italians are not White guy?

Which Italians exactly, the Muslims once controlled the southern parts of Italy. On the topic of actors here, nobody thinks its controversial for Al Pacino to play a Cuban in Scarface, that is because he is a Sicilian and can easily pass as a Latin American or even an Arab. The north-south divide in Italy is well known, you also need to ask yourself the question why the mafia are a southern not northern Italian phenomena. One can perhaps call them dubious whites, however I cannot say the same about Armenians, Iranians, Pakistanis, etc, they are simply not white.

Yet here you are autistically grading the different races…

I never once considered giving an F- to Somalians like you do, they are simply not white, doesn’t require great genius insight to know this.

The words “Iran” and “Aryan” have the same etymology.

Explain.

Doubleplusunwoke.

Danny Thomas fathered Marlo Thomas. Therefore, he contributed more to feminism than Lena Dunham and Ashley Judd combined could ever dream of.

The Muslims once controlled Sicily, you mean.

Greatest PC game ever, now that the snow has arrived I might have to play it again

Definitely. On that note, I’d like to see Steve (or anyone else) analyze the following question, which is a mystery to me:

It is obvious why the woke set hates trans-racial Rachel Dolezal, for her preferring to be black for the social benefits and cache challenges the idea of white privilege currently existing in our society. But given that, why do they more-or-less tolerate trans-racial Shawn King? Sure, King has a transparently implausible story about his mother having an affair with a half black man, but I doubt anyone actually buys that. What is the difference between the two cases?

Perhaps your inability to draw a boundary of who is white suggests that it isn’t a viable basis for nationalism?

I’m kind of hazy but I seem to recall an episode of one of the Law & Order series where a black guy is arrested for a felony and he meets his public defender/legal aid lawyer. The perp looks at young Jimmy Johnson or Scott Hansen or whoever and blows his stack.

“What the hell?? Where’s my Jew? I want a Jew!”

“In some ways Trump might be the first President to recognize how little legal authority the President actually has.”

Is Donald Trump the first president to completely lack the support of either party? He’s nominally a Republican, but he’s not really, and the leadership of that party hates him virulently. Of course the Dems think he’s Hitler.

His real political support is a coalition of voters – not politicians; it is among people who understand that our system is badly broken, and needs an outsider to fix it (about 15% of the people who voted for him voted for Obama in the previous election). Unlimited legal and illegal immigration has the full support of both parties, but it’s killing us, so we have to get rid of it. The government is careening toward full socialism, which will kill us, so we have to back off from the idea that socialism solves all of our problems. Etc.

I should add that I’ve never seen the mass media so completely against any president, even George Bush, and so determined to destroy his reputation and ability to govern.

The Federal Bureaucracy and K Street lobbyists (aka The Swamp) hate him, because he’s out to drain their comfy arrangements as well.

We’re the only ones who support Mr. Trump. If that’s true I should be doing more, as should we all, but it’s not clear to me what I can do. Maybe the answer lies in setting a litmus test for who we vote for in the 2018 election. Trump or dump!

Plausible deniability.

If you squint hard enough, he looks sorta like a quadroon.

And even his own mother admits to letting a man of partial negro descent inseminate her. Of course, she may have just claimed this in order to help Shaun get on the diversity gravy train.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Scarface wasn’t controversial at the time, though I don’t actually know. There are only so many movies made about Cubanos and other Latin Americans, and this one was full of Sicilians (Pacino, Loggia), an Italian (Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio), and a part-Italian (F. Murray Abraham). For good reason, maybe, considering these were the sort of people American audiences associate with gangsters.

At least Stephen Bauer was actually born in Cuba, despite his name.

Not only Sicily, the boot area of Italy was also once ruled by Muslims.

Somehow they had no problem with John Cho, who is korean, playing Sulu, who is supposed to be japanese.

Guns.

He caused the sale of many millions which made the prices go up. Ammo became scarce and expensive during his tenure, and I suspect it was his policies that caused it. .22 ammo is still expensive and this pisses me off.

Health Insurance.

He caused my family to lose our insurance, our doctors, and our networks, like millions of other Americans. We went years without healthcare simply because it was too expensive. Recently, we’ve decided to pay the outrageous sums and get the tests done. Pisses me off.

Homo marriage.

The short and long term cultural damage from this is incalculable. Yes, it’s his fault too, not just the extreme court. His people celebrated the ability to make up reality to spite traditionalists and then tell us what is good and acceptable. Pisses me off.

I’m sure others can add to the list.

The black guy whom I gathered played Aaron Burr in Hamilton was in the new version of Murder on the Orient Express playing – implausibly, and not very well – a 1930s british doctor. Rather than just eliding over the casting choice, the writers felt it necessary to take note of it with a lot of race-talk that was entirely out of place. However, it didn’t ruin the movie; the movie was already bad for a number of other reasons.

Which is to say that Odenkirk, with his Irish and German ancestry, simply isn’t believable as someone whose name is Bagdikian. He’s just not.

But he is believable as a Jew (or a non-Jew pretending to be Jewish)? This doesn’t make sense. Armenians look more or less like other Mediterranean basin people ( I realize that Armenia is not on the Mediterranean but I mean that in a broad sense). In the movies Jew and Italians and Armenians can usually play each other and some of them can play other dark haired European groups, even going as far as “black Irish” and Iberians. After the age when men go gray, the interchange possibilities are even greater.

This is especially ridiculous when nowadays Hollywood insists on putting black people in settings where they historically don’t belong (see Murder on the Orient Express). Or The Great Gatsby where they had a dark skinned S. Asian playing a Jew. Apparently black people can play whites but vice versa can never be, not only for blacks but for anyone who is even slightly “ethnic”. It goes without saying that blackface nowadays is a war crime, but the circle is broadening. Do you have to be pure Armenian to play an Armenian under the new rules? Could a Georgian play one or for that matter a Jew?

I saw the preview for The Post and it looked like a movie I wanted to see. Then I saw a fawning article on it in – I think it was The Washington Post (imagine that!) – where Spielberg was going on about how relevant it is to the current dark night of fascism that has descended on the country with Trump’s election, yada yada, yada.

When I heard about the movie, I knew it would probably follow a predicatable line – Nixon bad, Democrats good. Despite the fact that the Pentagon Papers, the DoD authored history of the Vietnam war that the Republican Nixon administration kept secret while they were lying to us about the war, was commissioned by the Democratic Johnson administration, which kept them secret while they were lying to us about the war.

Still, I’d be willing to see it, until I saw that Spielberg wants to link it to the current political situation. He wants to drag contemporary politics into a historical drama, then he can kiss off half the potential viewing audience. To Hell with it, and to Hell with him.

Moreover, it has Bob Odenkirk in it, who participated in that video appeal to the electors to overturn the results of the election. F**k him too.

Biggest flight from white involves white britons who cast blacks as historical britons

In the Hollow Crown series of Shakespearean histories Sophie Okonedo plays Queen Margaret in Henry VI (parts 1-3) and in Richard III. Okonedo is half Jewish but is not remotely passable as a 15th Century English queen.

Then of course there was Alonzo Greer playing a black dude in ancient Britain in the “Roar” (alongside Heath Ledger and Vera Farmiga), and Angel Coulby as a black Guinevere in the BBC show “Merlin” – though I would give fantasies a lot more leeway than serious drama.

We laugh at all of this, to some degree, but the sad fact is that 20 years from now there will be a lot of people running around who believe that blacks were all over the place in ancient Britain, and there are more than a few people who are happy to have it that way.

You are welcome to define “white” any way you want but as it is “whites” (even broadly defined) will not be a majority of the next generation of Americans. Keep in mind that the more narrowly you define “white” the fewer whites there will be and in a democracy numbers count. If you cross off Armenians you don’t lose that many but if you cross off Jews and Southern Italians, meaning most Italian-Americans (and I assume Greeks) and everyone who is not pure white, you are getting down to a smaller and smaller group. (Logically, you wouldn’t consider someone who is 1/2 or even 1/4 black to be white so therefore since Southern Italians are not white, someone who is part Italian isn’t either.) Maybe giving out certificates of racial purity would have worked in Nazi Germany because most Germans were pure enough but Americans are awfully mixed nowadays and there aren’t that many purebreds left. Keep working at this and soon there will be fewer “whites” in America than black people. Wouldn’t you be better off with more people on your “white” team than fewer? No only does this make your team smaller but by signalling that you hate everyone who is not on your team, they may actively work against you.

and since Jews are Caucasian

Bzzt, wrong. Ashkenazi Jews are Caucasian (though not everyone seems to think so – apparently they are Caucasian enough to be colonialists but not Caucasian enough to be white for some people. I suppose it depends on whether you mean Caucasian in a “good” way or a “bad” way – Jews are only Caucasian in contexts where it is bad to be Caucasian) . But there are all sorts of Jews – Jews from Ethiopia, India, Yemen, even China. By no stretch of the imagination would the man on the street call any of these Jews “Caucasian”.

Republicans were the same way after Obama won.

I guess that’s true. Obama really just annoyed me, though. I didn’t feel like the world was ending or anything. I’m sure some people did.

I guess it just seems worse this time because the people who think the world is over have a much larger platform in the media.

“Historian”, and I use that term ironically, Mary Beard was used to promote the concept that Roman Britain contained negroes because there were African Romans. Of course, an African Roman would be a Berber or a descendent of the Carthaginians, or any other light skinned variants. She, and the BBC, used her “pedigree” to promote “multiculturalism” in Britain. The probability that there was a black Roman soldier in Britain may not be zero, but it is so minuscule that it could not be used to support the presence of negroes in Roman Britain unless, of course, there was a desire to promote the fact that Great Britain was not created by those of Germanic/Celtic/White descent. Which it was. This is political propaganda at its most obvious.

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In addition, you have the following disinformation passed off as reality:

– Sub-Saharan Celts http:
– A Sub-Saharan English Nobleman, 1215AD
– A Sub-Saharan blacksmith, Iron Age Britain
– A North-African Norman priest

My guess is that the efforts of the Kardashians to present themselves as dark-featured despite being only part or in some cases not at all Armenian have changed the racial calculus in the minds of the American public.

Saroyan was a fantastic writer.

We do have a good divider- intelligence. It turns out practicing Islam leads to polygamy, which leads to cousin marriage which leads to IQ drop. So we can define the boundary of white pretty easily (I personally would include Christian Arabs); the only oddity would be Iranians (since they have used prostitution to keep from inbreeding).

Fortunately the US does not have any pressing problems with large scale Iranian immigration so this is a low priority issue.

I fondly remember the race between Deukmejian and Bradley. I didn’t know much about Deukmejian at the time and after he was elected and served successfully for many years I still didn’t know much about him – thus earning my eternal respect. I like semi-anonymous politicians.

Here in northern California we had heard about Bradley but few I suspect had much feeling for the man. Then there was the debate. In the first few minutes it became clear – Bradley was an idiot. He had no brains whatsoever. He didn’t understand the issues he didn’t understand the questions. His campaign melted down right there live on TV. He had been revealed as the proverbial “empty suit”.

I wish someone would explain “whiteness” to me.

Those are the people who you can still discriminate against.

You’re wrong about Muslims ever conquering Southern Italy. They conquered Sicily and held it for less than 80 years, hardly enough time to rape every woman and turn the island Moorish. They also controlled Bari for less than 30 years, a drop in the bucket. You’ve been watching too many movies.

Didn’t see the debate so I don’t question your analysis of Bradley’s performance, but it’s possible that by ’82 Californians had had enough of crime and Rose Bird, thus an R had to win.

Saroyan also wrote the play on which the opera – appropriately named “Opera, opera” – was based. It is done regularly by smaller opera companies. I sang the part of The Gorilla many years ago. It is probably the funniest opera ever written. The music is by Martin Kalmanoff who also wrote songs for Elvis.

Isn’t Armenia quite literally in the Caucasus? Armenians are literally Caucasians?

I think the classification system is slightly in need of modification. After all, the Mongoloids didn’t all come from Mongolia either and the Negroids didn’t all come from Niger. When was the last time someone was referred to as a negroid?

Saroyan is unaccountably popular with sissy upper class Brits like Fry and the late C. Hitchens. This is out of proportion to literary quality which is unexceptional IMO. It’s a weird thing, like how chavs & Irish celebrate the work of unfunny cranks like Bill Hicks and Lewis Black, and how Russians worship Michael Jackson

It’s always interesting to see which authors hit it big outside of their home countries…..and which do not. Other Americans who are arguably bigger in the UK than they are here are James Thurber and Damon Runyon. Of course, as a huge Thurber fan, I completely understand the British enthusiasm for his work (it’s simply fantastic)….As for Runyon, the Brits seem to really love his deft wordplay….

The writer at least pretends to care that Odenkirk isn’t “hard” enough to play Bagdikian. I don’t see it (I tend to view Irishmen as presumptively hard), but what was so hard about him anyway? I remember him being some kind of big deal in Berkeley, where he took over the J-school in ’85. Was he supposed to have been the godfather of standards at the Post before then?

This guy is really good.

One can perhaps call them dubious whites, however I cannot say the same about Armenians,

I’m totally OK with calling Armenians White.

Iranians,

There are White people in Iran. e.g., the recent Fields Prize Winner,Maryam Mirzakhani :

The problem with the Iranians is more cultural than racial; Muslims simply should not be allowed to settle in the West.

Pakistanis, etc, they are simply not white.

Agree on South Asians.

RE: the Middle East,

The problem there is more cultural than racial. Christian Middle Easterners* have assimilated quite well into the West. Cf people like William Peter Blatty, Ralph Nader, Michael DeBakey, Danny Thomas, etc. Muslim Middle Easterners, in contrast, are not a good fit and should be kept out.

*Although, it is interesting to note that Christian Middle Easterners show much lower levels of Sub-Saharan African admixture than Muslims….

By definition Armenians are white, just like Chechens and the brothers Tsarnaev, who are so all American that one was featured on the cover of Rolling Stone.

Armenians are Christians; Chechens are Muslim.

Race is important, but it isn’t everything. Culture also plays a role.

Kipling’s “Kim” has an explanation of how the boy is white but is culturally Indian: he was born to a British army officer and his British Isles wife in India, but then his mother died. His father got himself an Indian mistress, but then he died, so the Indian lady became the little boy’s stepmother, but she just lets him run around in the bazaar all day.

And Kipling also understood that race alone was not enough, that culture must also be taken into account.For a salutary lesson in the dangers of discounting culture, pick up Kipling’s THE MAN WHO WOULD BE KING. Poor Daniel Dravot pays the price for assuming that race trumps culture, and that he can turn English-looking people into Englishmen.

I don’t get all this talk about Armenians not being white. They are clearly Caucasian because the Caucus mountains are in or near Armenia. My ancestors are all Irish or British according to 23andme. I am so white I must avoid the sun like a vampire. Yet I’m not from anywhere near the home of the Caucasians. Armenians are.

Or to approach this from another direction – how many races do you think there are? Luigi Cavalli-Sforza says five. So if Armenians aren’t white what are they? Australian aborigines? Amerindians?

My guess is that the efforts of the Kardashians to present themselves as dark-featured despite being only part or in some cases not at all Armenian have changed the racial calculus in the minds of the American public.

The “mudsharking” might also have something to do with it…..

Then there’s the fact that the post-Soviet wave of Armenian immigrants are decidedly less respectable than their pre-Soviet collapse counterparts….

Odenkirk as Italian American

If that coward chicken hawk neocon Chris Hitchens liked him then he must be horrible

PO(s)C . . . Persons of Slight Color. Make it a thing!

I think that Armenia should not be included as white, it is too close to the middle east and their history is no doubt full of migrations of an mixing of people that came from the middle east and central Asia, even looking at that picture they look more Arab than European to me. If you don’t draw the line at Armenia, then where you exactly? Are Kurds white, or is it at Iran, or are even Pakistanis now white?

Hitler decided that Jews and Slavs weren’t white enough for him. Despite having the weight of German ingenuity and industry behind him, he failed to achieve his goal of conquering the world, because he alienated potential allies by killing them in large numbers and promising to finish the job once he had achieved his territorial aims.

At no point in Hitler’s drive towards power in Germany itself did he decide that any combination of minorities or outcasts consisting of more than 10% of the German population in total weren’t good enough for him. And he had a significant number of disgruntled veterans from WWI backing him. Whereas white nationalists in America don’t even have Tim McVeigh, who wasn’t really a white nationalist, given that his close friend and accomplice, Terry Nichols, not only married, but had children, with a woman from the PI.

The fact is that successful would-be conquerors try to assemble the broadest possible coalitions. Once the primary objective has been met, then secondary objectives can be attempted. This guileless exposition about secondary objectives at this early stage may be cathartic, but will likely not advance your primary objective. It’s a form of counting your chickens before they hatch.

They look totally Jewish.

Barney Martin, right.

Liza Sheridan, hardly.

You’ve heard of the Crowningshield family, but not of the full name, Benjamin Crowningshield Bradlee? Interesting.

Yeah, I didn’t know until yesterday that Ben Bradlee’s middle name was Crowninshield. As for the Crowninshield family, I’ve known about them since I was a teenager. I’m a big Lovecraft fan, and the Crowninshield–Bentley House is referenced in “The Thing on the Doorstep.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowninshield%E2%80%93Bentley_House

The problem is white was both a racial group and (previously) an ethnic group. That is why the Irish weren’t originally considered white- white meant Hajnal.

So now tribalism has returned with a vengeance we are trying to sort out ‘who gets to be on our side of the fence’. I’m going to agree with the empicirists- if you are willing to fight and die for white people, you are white. Yes, this means an American white ethnostate is going to have a non-negligible number of black, Hispanic and Asian ‘white’ people, but it is as they say- Service guarantees citizenship.

Whatever you think the ethnic classification of Armenians should be; they are far more pro White, anti affirmative action and more vocal about black crime than most Whites, especially the powerful elite Whites who rule this country.

The worst European traitors to the White race are the “pure” Scandinavians, Germans, Dutch and British. those countries welcomed the hordes of black and brown immigrants and gave them everything including benefits denied their own citizens. Those countries refuse to prosecute black and brown rapists against their own White women.

Contrast what most WNs call “not really White” Greeks, Southern and northern Slavs, Italians and Spanish. They are the ones who resist the black and brown invasion. those communities police the invading hordes and the police allow it. Those countries prosecute all rapists equally regardless of black and born immigrant status.

I’m a White Nationalist. I’m for all Whites, not just Germans, British and Scandinavians. And i have a lot more in common with an Armenian who like me, is against affirmative action, against black on White crime and is aware of the coming genocide of Whites.

A true White Nationalist would unite with Pro White groups such as Armenians instead of scorning them.

The Clintons, Carter, the affirmative action presidents Nixon and Johnson, Justices Warren and Brennan and all the Judges who ruled against Whites in Brown vs Topeka, Griggs vs Duke Power, Kaiser vs Weber and all the school bussing cases were all North Western European Whites. The only supreme court justice who ever stood up for Whites and our civilization was Alito, of Italian descent who people such as you don’t consider White.

Yes. Look it up. He was the main antagonist on the silver screen.

Weird, eh?

Yes, but Carradine made Bruce Lee’s ACTING skills seem non existent

Come to my neighborhood, Beverly Hills Ca. Its about half Persian. Take a good look at them and then get back to us. they are as White as I am although most have dark hair. Drive a few miles north east and come to N. hollywood, Glendale, Pasadena and other Armenian neighborhoods. Armenians are White and lots of them have brown hair, very fair skin and gray/blue and hazel eyes

They are far more anti affirmative action and aware of black on White crime than any WASP I know.

Then scrounge up a few thousand dollars and take a trip to the major cities in these European countries England, Germany, Sweden and France where in some places you’ll see more blacks and brown immigrants than the indigenous Whites.

Their mother is of scots and english descent.

That’s because the Christian Arabs didn’t mix it up with black slave girls.

Absolutely correct, but this geographical and historical reality flies over the head of spergish white nationalists who like to create lots of categories and hierarchies to prove that they, Anglo-germano-celto-american mutts, are the master race.

Los Angeles Jewish publications still brag about how it was Jews, especially the wealthy west side Jews who put Bradley in as Los Angeles mayor. He was around for like decades. He arrived because of the watts riot and left after the Rodney King riot. He and his all black upper level civil service were major instigators of the Rodney King riot by the way.

And the Beverly Hills West Los Angeles Jews who were sooooo proud of themselves for putting Bradley in have now been replaced by Persians. The immigrants, all of them will make sure there never is a black Mayor of Los Angeles again.

There are many, many descriptions of Margaret of Anjou. She was noted for her reddish blonde strawberry blonde as it’s known hair. What I really hate is all those idiots who cast Henry 8s first wife Catherine as a dark haired Arab when in fact Catherine of Aragon, like her mother had red hair.

Another is the Queen Anne in the 3 Musketeers. They cast her as an Arab because she was Spanish. In fact, she too was a red head.

That cliche is about 70 years old

Farsi, the Persian language, is one of the Indo European languages. supposedly it’s closer to German than any other Indo European language.

Didn’t they already make one about the great and glorious Post called All The President’s Men?
Little known fact, Bernstein’s parents were federal government communist employees kicked out by Truman.

Also, making a movie about how great the Washington Post is seems like a really douchebag thing to do.

Especially since one has already been made:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_the_President%27s_Men_(film)

Yeah, see my later comment. Saw that on Wiki after I typed that.

Have you noticed how many more East Asians are in TV commercials these days? It seems like only in recent months.

It used to be that commercial characters were 2/3 white, 1/3 black, almost without fail. Then I noticed a few South Asians — more than Hispanics or East Asians. Meanwhile, it seems to have gotten closer to 50/50 black/white, with of course vastly disproportionate numbers of mixed-race families.

But lately the East Asians seem to have figured out how to get theirs.

Bagdikian had an improbable-looking nose

Fairly typical Armenian schnozz.

Here is another view of that statue in Yerevan.

I don’t know where Roxana Hadidi comes from, but it must be a pretty great place if the United States now resembles her “hellscape nightmares”.

Her twitfeed suggests she’s from Iran and plans to continue to grace us with her presence.

Muslim, too.

“I have immense respect for Nadiya: Every time I see her wearing a headscarf on national TV, I have a little fist-pump moment in my heart. She is proud of who she is, she is incorporating her cultural heritage into her baking, and I love her.”

It’s called a purity spiral and it’s the far-right version of the SJW intersectional “who’s more oppressed” special olympics.

The late Mirzakhani, unfortunately. She died tragic young at 40 of breast cancer. Weren’t we better off having her at Harvard than having her back home working on the Iranian nuclear program? She may have been Muslim by birth but she obviously didn’t subscribe to Shia customs, judging by her lack of chador.

South Asians are deceptive – they look non-white but if you moved to the tropical latitudes after a few thousand years your surviving descendants would be a nice toasty brown. Pakistanis and Indians figured out how to make nuclear weapons while the “white” Iranians haven’t, so that tells you something right there. Do not confuse S. Asians with Negroids – the brown skin is the only thing they share.

It used to be you could talk about “cheap Chinese merchandise” and it was both descriptive of a real thing and not considered terribly pejorative (because factual)… But now there are Chinese manufactured goods on a higher Q.A. level than that of the Chinese junk, also still plentiful, so you can’t describe something that was a real problem any more, because that’s injurious to the amour propre of people who don’t even live in China. In a very confusing twist on Newspeak “white” is ungood and “unwhite” is good– that keeps the increasing profusion of arguments *VERY* simple. Thus, Straight White Male is the new remarkably lazy all-purpose slang epithet for whatever is held to be lame, routine, not up to fashion, harshing my mellow, etc. etc.; we’re on the train to Squaresville, daddy-o; not radical or off the cob or far-out; blah blah– only an unhip dweeb would try to interpret the words literally:
http://www.themaven.net/theresurgent/contributors/slate-writer-attacks-conservatives-over-cake-for-gay-wedding-jezGpxh4PUOPPCjUtRvZRQ?full=1

Its probably been already noted, but Mike Connors was part-Irish and part-Armenian.

In some ways Trump might be the first President to recognize how little legal authority the President actually has.

At least the second, Teddy Roosevelt created the term “bully pulpit” to describe the presidency.

Armenian immigrants have proved to be a mixed blessing: many are talented people, eager to give to America, but others view Americans as resources to be exploited, not as fellow citizens (I speak from experience of being cheated in Armenian shops). Even worse, many Armenians harbor their old ethnic grudges, and stay busy trying to get America to take their side. Wikipedia is overrun with these clowns and even Unz.com has a few: ethnic warriors who continue to push the tired old WWI propaganda about Ottoman atrocities. I mean, even if it were true, how about thanking God that you are now an American and give it a rest!

There are other immigrant groups who don’t completely assimilate: in the US, the Irish, who after nearly 200 years remain Irish, and, in Europe, the Turks, who love Turkey beyond all reason (the ultra-passionate nationalism of Turks is the most important reason why it is not wise to fuck with Turkey). Sometimes I wonder how our country would have turned out had immigration stopped around 1820. We still would have had Walt Whitman, we might not have had the Civil War; and we still would have our voices understood on the Supreme Court.

Khan Noonien Singh (a Sikh).

I think the scriptwriter just made up a name that sounded plausibly foreign or alien.

Khan is a Muslim name, usually South Asian. Singh is Sikh, but there are non-Sikh Hindu Singhs. I have no idea where Noonien is from, assuming it’s not made up, itself.

…Indians figured out how to make nuclear weapons while the “white” Iranians haven’t, so that tells you something right there.

And they also have a working space program that sent a probe to Mars, I’ll grant them that.

But whenever I start thinking that way I remind myself that they have also figured out how to dominate the H-1B visa category, sending over as many as 126,000 programmers last year, many with dodgy trade-school diplomas.

That tells us something else right there.

Allan Holdsworth DIED? His name is up there with Al DiMeola and John McLaughlin for guitarists learning to play in the 1980s. I didn’t even think he toured anymore, but Al Di did manage to resurrect his US career in the Internet era. I gave up on Allan when he took up that ridiculous SynthAxe guitar synthesizer. Eddie Van Halen was a big fan of legato-genius Allan at the peak of VH’s popularity and appeared on one of Allan’s records.

OT? White Pride World Wide? Is someone White if he starts his workout regime with “Allahu Akbar!”? So many questions.

Do you even Chechen-plank, bro? 💪🏻

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— Nina 🐙 Byzantina (@NinaByzantina) December 11, 2017

Odenkirk sounds exactly like his Better Call Saul character, Slippin’ Jimmy From Cicero, which is not far from the Chicago West Side neighborhood of Steve’s wife. Perhaps Steve’s in-laws affected a different patois, his father-in-law being a member of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. In other words, one would never hear Steve’s father-in-law utter “getcher muddy boots outta da frunchroom” to his daughter and Steve after a rainout at Sox Park. Dose friggin’ Sout’ Siders, I tell ya…

When I was growing up, “white” equaled “Caucasian”, and so Armenians and Irish and Germans are all “white”.

“Caucasians” are people from the Caucasus, such as Armenians. It’s not a generic term for whites. Irish and Germans are white, and many have no ancestry from the Caucasus.

There’s a new trend I’m seeing of average looking white guys who work in STEM fields dating/marrying pretty girls from Iran and other -stans. I don’t blame the guys at all. White Canadian girls are lousy mates and generally don’t respect men who work in nerdy professions anyway. It seems that half the white girls I went to high school with are used-up harlots in their late 30s going nowhere in life. Lots of these women have more degrees and letters to their names than Albert Einstein. Yet despite their “education”, these women have nothing of substance to add intellectually outside of retweeting memes about how much Trump sucks, have no children to speak of and no prospects of enriching their lives through marriage and family. It’s sad.

I think about the Middle Eastern women though. Most of them who marry white Canadian men have been in this country for less than 5 years and have a high respect for men who play the provider role. But these women are not immune to the “White Men Suck” mantra and may eventually succumb. I’m afraid that after a few years those ladies may start regretting their decisions. Moreover, if they start having kids, those kids will embrace their non-white sides more and do the ultimate virtue signal by dating black men.

A lot of second-generation Middle Eastern women in North America date black men. I think a lot of it has to do with the curves that they’re famous for.

Nassim Nicholas Taleb… taking names and…

So, caucasians aren’t caucasian anymore?
Fine with me. We can now blame the crimes of Joseph Besarionis Jughashvili aka “Stalin” and Lavrenti Pavles Beria on POCs.

Also, making a movie about how great the Washington Post is seems like a really douchebag thing to do.

It’s been done before.

Biggest flight from white involves white britons who cast blacks as historical britons

This seems to have become standard practice on British TV.

I watched the Father Brown series this summer, set in the Cotswolds in the 1950s, and various non-white characters are implausibly inserted into the plots, including, in one case a black Jamaican gardner, who then goes on to marry a local girl he had an affair with, with the episode ending with the mixed race couple walking down the village square, pushing their baby in a pram.

British TV also saw a remake of E.M. Forster’s Howards End last month, an Edwardian era story, and one of the principal characters is now depicted as a black woman, and not as a white cockney.

The Texas definition of ‘white’ is that everyone who is not black, is white.

Texans are deceptively ahead of the curve on many things.

We Calvinists watch lots of British TV, and you’re exactly right.

The difference between the Brits’ approach and what you see coming out of Hollywood is that the former is still mostly at the ‘throw in a token’ stage, although that’s starting to change.

In some instances, e.g. the case noted upthread by Wilkey in which Sophie Okonedo shows up in Henry VI, it’s obtrusive, although I have some sympathy for non-white actors who’d like to play Shakespeare.

Some other shows try to be more realistic. For example, in my current fave ‘Endeavour’, which is an extremely well-executed prequel to the classic Inspector Morse series, the youthful Morse dates a Jamaican nurse who lives in his apartment building. The series is set in the early-to-mid-1960s, and the NHS was indeed importing quite a lot of nurses from Jamaica (and other former colonial holdings) at that time.

So far there’s been no remake of ‘Pride and Prejudice’ with a ‘multicultural’ Lizzie or Darcy, but let’s wait and see.

By the way, how is that Father Brown series — I assume it’s the one with the senior Weasley from Harry Potter playing Father Brown? Worth watching?

“The infantilization of our public discourse continues, apace.”

And keeps pace with the feminization of our culture.

I’m increasingly inclined to side with the “Know Nothing” political party of the 19th Century. A United States population derived overwhelmingly from British ancestors (with a little Dutch and German admixture) would be considerably superior to what we have now.

Contrary to fact history drives professional historians crazy, but it’s a good antidote to the view that what actually happened was highest and best.

What about Othello? There must be such a thing as blackwashing if there is such a thing as whitewashing. If there’s backlash there must be frontlash. Maxwell showed there are many duals betweeen electronics and mechanics. My question was merely “what is blackwashing”?

Southern California has a problem with Iranian immigration. I remember wondering who these dark skinned jerks were back in the 1970s.

Europeans and Armenians share ancestry. Indo-Europeans had loads of CHG (Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer):

https://dienekes.blogspot.com/2015/11/westasian-in-flesh-hunter-gatherers.html

So nothing off about Odenkirk playing Bagdikian.

You have no clue what you’re talking about.

Learn something:

http://italianthro.altervista.org/italians.html

http://italianthro.altervista.org/sicilians.html

That’s LISA Sheridan, who’s way too young to play Jerry Seinfeld’s mom. This is LIZ Sheridan.

Crowninshield was originally Kronenscheldt; they were German immigrants to Britain, and changed the name, back in the day. They then went to Colonial New England.

The “simply” in the previous sentence is a superficially adult sounding (often used by the affluent and/or educated) version of the same phenomenon, also used as a substitute for rational argumentation. See also “basically” and “actually.”

By the way, how is that Father Brown series — I assume it’s the one with the senior Weasley from Harry Potter playing Father Brown? Worth watching?

It’s no Inspector Morse, but it was good fun watching it with PiltdownWoman and PiltdownChild1, a freshman, both of whom enjoyed it hugely and binge watched during our summer holiday.

Without giving too much away, unlike the original G.K. Chesterton stories, in some of which Father Brown makes only a brief, tangential appearance (and which is later revealed to be crucial) in the TV series, he is central to all the episodes.

When whites play Othello as a black man, it’s blackface. If they change Othello to a white man, it’s whitewashing.

Blackwashing has been explained. It’s the same as whitewashing, only to the benefit of blacks. But it doesn’t exist as a term in common usage, for reasons you probably know.

Steve, Katharine Graham was only half-Jewish. Her mother
was German Lutheran, and she was baptized as a Lutheran

Sorry, that is not the taxonomy:

In the 19th century Meyers Konversations-Lexikon (1885–90), Caucasoid was one of the three great races of humankind, alongside Mongoloid and Negroid. The taxon was taken to consist of a number of subtypes. The Caucasoid peoples were usually divided into three groups on ethnolinguistic grounds, termed Aryan (Indo-European), Semitic (Semitic languages), and Hamitic (Hamitic languages i.e. Berber-Cushitic-Egyptian).[39]

19th century classifications of the peoples of India considered the Dravidians of non-Caucasoid stock as Australoid or a separate Dravida race, and assumed a gradient of miscegenation of high-caste Caucasoid Aryans and indigenous Dravidians. Carleton S. Coon in his 1939 book The Races of Europe, described the Veddoid race as “possess[ing] an obvious relationship with the aborigines of Australia, and possibly a less patent one with the Negritos” and as “the most important element in the Dravidian-speaking population of southern India”.[40] In his later The Living Races of Man (1965), Coon considerably amended his views, acknowledging that “India is the easternmost outpost of the Caucasoid racial region”. However, he still recognized an Australoid substrate throughout the subcontinent, writing that “the earliest peoples who have left recognizable survivors were both Caucasoid and Australoid food gatherers. Some of the survivors are largely Caucasoid; others are largely Australoid.”[41]

There was no universal consensus of the validity of the “Caucasoid” grouping within those who attempted to categorize human variation. Thomas Henry Huxley in 1870 wrote that the “absurd denomination of ‘Caucasian’” was in fact a conflation of his Xanthochroi and Melanochroi types.[42]

Historically, the racial classification of the Turkic peoples was sometimes given as “Turanid”. Turanid racial type or “minor race”, subtype of the Europid (Caucasian) race with Mongoloid admixtures, situated at the boundary of the distribution of the Mongoloid and Europid “great races”.[43][44]

Subraces[edit]
The postulated subraces vary depending on the author, including but not limited to Mediterranean, Atlantid, Nordic, East Baltic, Alpine, Dinaric, Turanid, Armenoid, Iranid, Arabid, and Hamitic.[45]

H. G. Wells argued that across Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia and South Asia, a Caucasian physical stock existed. He divided this racial element into two main groups: a shorter and darker Mediterranean or Iberian race and a taller and lighter Nordic race. Wells asserted that Semitic and Hamitic populations were mainly of Mediterranean type, and Aryan populations were originally of Nordic type. He regarded the Basques as descendants of early Mediterranean peoples, who inhabited western Europe before the arrival of Aryan Celts from the direction of central Europe.[46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

Thank you.

When were Irish like Charles Carroll of Carrollton not considered white?

Obviously, there are continuing problems with the above classification system, but it is interesting because it corresponds with “Caucasians” having Neanderthal genes, and “Mongoloid” populations having genes from both the Neanderthals and the Denisovans, and “Negroid” populations lacking either early hominid genes. Pretty good for a social construction, you have to admit.

He meant “Liz Sheridan”, not “Liza Sheridan”. Liz Sheridan played Jerry’s Mom on Seinfeld.

Maybe; you’d probably have had 60s-level moral collapse in the 20s though.

Why no Civil War under your scenario?

I was in the mall yesterday and noticing people and ads. The ads are all full of people who have thin faces. The people in the mall all tended to have round or fat faces. Very interesting.

I’d say my mall was about 50% white. Lots of overweight folks with Asian/Latino/black backgrounds. Those groups don’t tend to have thin faces or features.

I remember. AS far as I know there was no outcry from the American Cubans. They knew better than most that the Mariel boat lift people were a highly criminal group. They lived in and around Dade County Fl where the murder rate went up an astounding 400 percent in a few years. because Castro emptied out his prisons. The Cubans looked on themselves as business people, restaurant and food workers, construction, medicine, civil servants, teachers etc, not criminals.

Of course the worst medicare and medicaid fraud seems to be concentrated in Florida and the names of the Drs all seem to be hispanic. But unlike blacks, Cubans don’t approve of thugs running amok.

The Mexicans in California are the same way. There have been some pretty horrible hispanic killers, but even the activist groups don’t do what the blacks do and try to defend the criminals among them.

tired old WWI propaganda about Ottoman atrocities

The early 20th century religious-based genocide and ethnic cleansing of Christian communities by the Islamic caliphate, including not just Armenians but Assyrians and others, is something that contemporary Americans and other Westerners would be wise not to forget when considering a wide range modern geo-political issues.

Among those who could stand to have their wisdom increased are the legions of Unz commenters who constantly make excuses for Islamic terrorism and extremism. It must be the fault of US foreign policy, right?

The big problem is that they are small business people and crooks at everything they do. The muslims are the worst. The Jews, Christians and Zorastrains are a little better but not much better.

When every gas station, car repair, dry cleaner, etc is run by Persians the customers get cheated every which way. So it’s best to avoid any Persian business. The younger Drs are probably a lot better than their Fathers. But I still wouldn’t use them.

An Armenian Dr set up and AIDS clinic. he gave his patients their shots and sold them their prescriptions. Problem is, the shots were diluted with normal saline solution. The medicine was smashed up with cornstarch and lactose, put through a pill machine and sold as proper medicine. it went on for years until the Orange County public health department noticed that his patients were dying of AIDS.

That’s how crooked people from that area of the world are.

It’s a given that their gas pumps are rigged to charge about a gallon of gas more than is actually pumped. The Asians gas station owners do that too.

But some of the Armenians, Persians, Russians and Israeli gas station owners rig the pumps to steal all the debit and credit card information and then loot bank accounts, 401Ks etc. When caught, they claim total innocence. “I remember hiring some Russian guy a year ago. He only worked a couple months and quit. he much have done it.”

It’s no different from the black street thugs with their “some other dude” story. And yet they look down on the black thugs because they are respectable business people.

This was “state of the art” taxonomy in 1890 but now that we can study DNA, a lot of this is just plain wrong. Linguistic grouping will only get you so far because a lot of people speak languages that do not correspond to their ancient heritage.

Your main point is correct though – colloquially, “Caucasian” is a synonym for “white” and not just the peoples of the Caucasus. “The bank robber was a Caucasian male” doesn’t mean that the police are looking for a Chechen.

One has to laugh at Hitler’s claiming the Poles and other Slavs aren’t White. The Poles and other Slavs are a lot more blonder and bluer and taller than the Germans who have plenty of average height brown and brown and even black haired people.

I was banned at commenting at Pajiba in 2012.

Again it’s The Agenda™. Black achievements are tangible but undermined and appropriated by the cishet white power structure. White achievements are bogus and purely the result of controlling the megaphone, retconning etc. We wuz kangs.

(((Stephen Fry))) and %((C. Hitchens))%

‘Endeavour’ – I enjoy that even though I was never that bothered about ‘Morse’. The Jamaican nurse does look like she was shoehorned into the show though, whatever the legitimate backstory.

But the Kardashians are white as far as the broader audience are concerned. Or else what’s the point of their mother pimping them out black men?

And we know which movie as well. 😉

Armenians seem pretty white to me. Also Christian which separates them from those South Asians.

Having reflected, I have decided your response is in good faith. I genuinely don’t believe we have here a grammatical error by a native speaker. No one says “more close.” People just don’t speak that way, even informally. Except in George Lucas’ screenplays, maybe….

I would say colloquially “it brought us closer” but also maybe “it made us more close”.

For those wondering, Huxley is the grandfather of Aldous the author.

For a while, i thought that a good way to troll the blackwashers was to ask them if “black britons” were also responsible for the “crimes” of colonization and slavery. If blacks and POCs were around all this time, then surely they also participated in committing those “crimes” ? Surely it wasn’t just the Whites who did “bad things” ? It’s a good troll but for how long ? Either during his recent encounter with Richard Spenceror shortly afterwards, Gary Younge (black communist journo) actually said that he also felt responsible for Britain’s past crimes, as a “black englishman” !

Correct. All people from the Caucasus are Caucasian, but not all Caucasians are from the Caucasus. The point is that by definition you can’t exclude Armenians from the Caucasian classification.

Why the heck are porn actresses always “stars”?

A bit off topic but-another member of the Emma Lazarus Wretched Refuse Club has struck again in NYC.

Johann Caspar Richter was an Old Saxon landowner and shipper-trader originally from the south of Denmark. He moved to the German village of Kronenschieldt (sometimes spelled Cronenschieldt), near Leipzig, during the Thirty Years’ War (1618–1648) and married Maria Hahn, from Annaburg in Saxony-Anhalt. The family adopted the village’s name as their surname.
Their son, Johannes Caspar Richter von Kronenschieldt, was born in Leipzig circa 1661. After being educated briefly at the University of Leipzig, he moved to Boston, Massachusetts in about 1688. He anglicized his name to “John Caspar Crowninshield” and married Elizabeth Allen on December 5, 1694 in Lynn, Massachusetts, and bought the land near Spring Pond. Their children began the Crowninshield family known today. He died December 19, 1711.

One has to laugh at Hitler’s claiming the Poles and other Slavs aren’t White. The Poles and other Slavs are a lot more blonder and bluer and taller than the Germans who have plenty of average height brown and brown and even black haired people.

Hitler’s racial categories went beyond stuff like mere “Whiteness.”

ethnic warriors who continue to push the tired old WWI propaganda about Ottoman atrocities. I mean, even if it were true,

It is; the Turkish record in the first quarter of the 20th century is drenched in blood:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

how about thanking God that you are now an American and give it a rest!

I’m all for letting go of ethnic grudges.

(I speak from experience of being cheated in Armenian shops).

Out of curiosity, did they spell their surnames with an “ian” or a “yan?”

But another lesson might involve my vague impression that Armenians in California tend to fall into two camps: the ones whose names end in “-ian” (and generally came here before 1924 or fleeing Beirut in 1975) and the ones who names end in “-yan” (who typically came here from ex-Soviet Armenia).

The ex-Soviet “-yans” appear much more likely to show up on the police blotter. For example, the biggest mass murder in my neighborhood in recent years involved a four to one ratio of “-yans” to “-ians.”

I’m not sure why this pattern exists. Potential hypotheses might include:

– The Soviet Union was a finishing school for thugs and gangsters?

– The “-ians” tended to be middle class merchants and proprietors fleeing Ottoman atrocities, while the “-yans” are more Chechen-like hillbillies?

– Assimilation over the generations works?

https://www.unz.com/isteve/socal-armenians-pro-tip-ian-vs-yan/

I appreciate your comment, but it is my impression that it has been officially “socially constructed” since at least 1963 so no need to look at DNA (unless you are testing pharmaceuticals or something).

This is my problem with the whole thing: whiteness is supposedly undefinable and has no significance biologically or genetically or otherwise, and the boundaries of whiteness are as movable supposedly as a sand bar in a tidal bay, so how can you go around saying people can’t be cast because they are white? How can you say Armenians or Turks or Iraqi’s aren’t white? How can there even be “white privilege”?

Its way to mystical for me to understand. I guess I just need to ask a wise POC elder, and leave some rum and flowers for the ancestors.