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Radio comedian Will Rogers is often said to have sagely advised, “If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.” Western Europe has found itself in a hole over the last generation, having imprudently admitted large numbers of Muslims. Germany’s two-pronged solution:

– Double down

– Bully Germany’s eastern neighbors into the same mistake so German politicians don’t look so bad in comparison to the Eastern European politicians’ attempts to learn from the Western European politicians’ mistakes.

From the NYT:

Eastern Bloc’s Resistance to Refugees Highlights Europe’s Cultural and Political Divisions
By RICK LYMAN SEPT. 12, 2015

WARSAW — Even though the former Communist countries of Central and Eastern Europe have been asked to accept just a fraction of the refugees that Germany and other nations are taking, their fierce resistance now stands as the main impediment to a unified European response to the crisis.

Poland’s new president, Andrzej Duda, has complained about “dictates” from the European Union to accept migrants flowing onto the Continent from the Middle East and Africa.

Slovakia’s prime minister, Robert Fico, says his country will accept only Christian refugees as it would be “false solidarity” to force Muslims to settle in a country without a single mosque. Viktor Orban, Hungary’s hard-line prime minister, calls the influx a “rebellion by illegal migrants” and pledges a new crackdown this week.

The discord has further unsettled a union already shaky from struggles over the euro and the Greek financial crisis and now facing a historic influx of people attracted by Europe’s relative peace and prosperity.

When representatives of the European Union nations meet on Monday to take up a proposal for allocating refugees among them, Central and Eastern Europen nations are likely to be the most vocal opponents. Their stance — reflecting a mix of powerful far-right movements, nationalism, racial and religious prejudices as well as economic arguments that they are less able to afford to take in outsiders than their wealthier neighbors — is the latest evidence of the stubborn cultural and political divides that persist between East and West. …

Few migrants, in fact, are particularly interested in settling in Eastern Europe, preferring to head to Germany or Scandinavia, where social welfare benefits are higher, employment opportunities greater and immigrant communities better established. In that sense, migrants are aligned with leaders in Eastern and Central European capitals, who frequently argue that the 28-member bloc should focus first on securing its borders and figuring out a way to end the war in Syria before talking about mandatory quotas for accepting refugees.

But that’s not the point, the point is to use the Muslim influx to crush resistance in Eastern Europe.

But as often as not, the political discourse in these countries has quickly moved toward a wariness of accepting racial and religious diversity.

“This refugee flow has outraged the right wing,” said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. “If you scratch the surface, why are they so upset? It’s not about jobs or the ability to manage them or social welfare. What it is really about is that they are Muslim.”

Unlike countries in Western Europe, which have long histories of accepting immigrants from diverse cultures, the former Communist states tend to be highly homogeneous. Poland, for instance, is 98 percent white and 94 percent Catholic.

“And the countries that have very little diversity are some of the most virulently against refugees,” said Andrew Stroehlein, European media director for Human Rights Watch.

But we have a plan for fixing that.

Even mainstream political leaders eager for closer ties to Brussels, the European Union’s headquarters, feel pressure to appeal to this growing nationalist wave.

“By toughening up their rhetoric and showing a strong hand toward the Roma minority, facing down the E.U. and refusing a common solution to the refugee crisis, they are trying to outbid the far right and keep the traditional political parties in power,” said Zuzana Kusá, a senior research fellow at the Institute for Sociology of the Slovak Academy of Sciences.

It’s called representative government.

In Hungary, Mr. Orban has taken a particularly uncompromising approach, demanding more help from Brussels in dealing with the tens of thousands who continue to enter his country while insisting that Hungary is under no obligation to endanger its traditional Christian values by accepting large numbers of Muslims.

Advice to Mr. Orban: When talking to the American media, don’t say “our traditional Christian values,” say “our traditional Judeo-Christian values.”

What exactly is all this frenzy to crush Eastern European dissent about, anyway?

Part of it, no doubt, is to inflict upon the East the bad decisions made in the West. The East can’t be allowed to learn from the mistakes of the West, because that would signify that the decisionmakers in charge in the West have made mistakes. And that would raise questions about whether they should be replaced with better decisionmakers. And we can’t have that.

If you are Japan, China, South Korea, or Taiwan, pay attention to what’s going on. You may think you are insulated, but, if, say, Hungary can be broken on the Wheel of Diversity, your time may come, too.

 
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  1. “When talking to the American media”

    The New York media are the font of evil – why talk to them? Maybe one day they’ll come back to sanity, but currently the NYT is as much a threat to human civilisation as the US State Department.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Simon in London

    A newspaper that gives bylines to someone who goes by "Rick" is one whose claims to serious reportage belong to the past.

    I'm sorry, but that name just takes years off one's maturity (not age, though) and points and percentiles off one's IQ.

    Replies: @5371, @EriK, @Brutusale

    , @Ivy
    @Simon in London

    David Brooks of the New York Times may face a family dilemma.

    He supports US acceptance of "Syrian" refugees.

    Meanwhile, his son in the IDF could be on guard duty shooting at real Syrians trying to get refuge in Israel. That could make for awkward Thanksgiving Dinner conversation.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @oh its just me, @Bill, @ben tillman

    , @riches
    @Simon in London

    Unfortunately, New York media aren't alone.

    At this blog last January 15th, a fellow commenter of "Simon in London" quoted England's Financial Times bemoaning: "Warsaw, a bustling prosperous European financial centre('s) ... lack of diversity on the streets.”

    Needless to write, this was well before any refugee crisis. So there's another far more important agenda here than concern for migrants.

    , @riches
    @Simon in London

    Nor is New York media alone.

    Last January 15th, a fellow commenter of Simon in London quoted England's Financial Times bemoaning: "Warsaw('s) ... lack of diversity on the streets."

    Needless to write, this was well before any refugee crisis. So there's clearly another agenda in the works.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  2. attracted by Europe’s relative peace and prosperity.

    Not for long, not for long…

    Unlike countries in Western Europe, which have long histories of accepting immigrants from diverse cultures

    Oh yeah, like this has all been done before; to good effect; for a long time.

    If this writer is to be taken seriously, we need to believe that immigration is such an unalloyed good that countries should bid for all the immigrants that are out there. Just go and get all you can; don’t let your neighbors get any. Just take them all and let the good times roll.

  3. Pat Casey says:

    The diversity ideology is like self-love byway of self-hatred, or family hatred. They welcome the horde only so they can say how much they hate their family. An ideology of being an ingrate. Like wishing you were born out of wedlock. The vanity of small tyrants who strive to be bastards. “Pull down thy vanity, I say pull down!”

  4. They make a bad guy of Poland or Hungary, but immigrants themselves don’t want to go there. Why force them? Didn’t they suffer enough?

    Even Slavoj Zizek complains how picky they are.

  5. ” In that sense, migrants are aligned with leaders in Eastern and Central European capitals, who frequently argue that the 28-member bloc should focus first on securing its borders and figuring out a way to end the war in Syria before talking about mandatory quotas for accepting refugees.”

    I knew it was a mistake to admit those savages of Eastern and Central Europe into the Eurozone—they are too unsophisticated and too clear thinking. Secure your borders first and find a way to end the war in Syria first? What preposterous suggestions.

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    To anyone who takes the concepts of ‘national sovereignty’, ‘national independence’ or even ‘national self-determination’ seriously, it is entirely unconscionable for one nation to dictate to another nation about how they must alter the population of their nation with the population of a third party nation.
    It is, in fact, not only unjust by every rule of international traditional and precedent, it is ridiculous.
    But such is the nature of the EU, a beast which is ‘neither here or there’.

  7. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The clever strategists who decided to demolish these various countries didn’t seem to realize that upheaval and war creates refugees and population movements. The smart people who went to all the best schools couldn’t foresee how destabilization can spread widely, in this case all the way to Europe. With enough pressure extremism could emerge within Europe as a result of the conventional political class being shown to be unresponsive and decadently attached to mere shopkeeper’s values.

  8. ve haf ways of making you accept diversity…

  9. Who will go to China/South-Korea/Taiwan ?

    Africans?

    You do know you actually have to know how to speak chinese to live in China, right Steve?

    Also no welfare in China. Your comments are spurious.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Kamran

    According to some estimates there are already half a million Africans in China.

    http://africansinchina.net/how-many-africans-are-there-in-guangzhou/

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Poland certainly has plenty of room for these migrants because many thousands of Poles have taken full advantage of EU free movement benefit and moved to more advanced countries like England, where they have more employment opportunities and enjoy a vastly higher standard of living than back home.

    You can’t take advantage of EU benefits while simultaneously rejecting its obligations.

    As the son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland where many of my extended family perished in the Holocaust, I am saddened, but not shocked, by the xenophobia in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe where many other Jews emigrated in the last century. Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions by accepting other migrants fleeing wars and religious oppression. The petty tribalism of human nature has no place in the 21st century either in Europe or especially here in the United States where all, except the dwindling number of Native Americans, are recent immigrants.

    • Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca
    @Anonymous

    Okay, then let's send a few hundred thousand Syrians to Israel.

    , @Undocumented Shopper
    @Anonymous

    "You can’t take advantage of EU benefits while simultaneously rejecting its obligations."

    What obligations??? Under the terms that were negotiated when being admitted into EU, there is no obligation and nothing to reject.

    What is happening is that the likes of you want to unilaterally modify a contract after it was signed.

    "Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions"

    At one point, majority of World's Jews lived within the borders of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, even though they were free to go elsewhere. Poles fulfilled their diversity requirement a long time ago, but you need to make amends for your ingratitude.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Anonymous

    Ethnically cleansed societies understand that diversity means trouble and conflict. Having been ethnically cleansed and having suffered through XX century we want to stay as mono-cultural as possible. After being laboratory for insane social and political movements through XX century it feels good to learn from self-inflicted troubles of other nations. And no, Jews rather won't get more money from us.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Two Poles are neighbors. One moves to UK. Your message to the other one is "You have to replace your neighbor with a non-Pole because the UK did not deport your neighbor."

    In addition to be a fat non-sequitur, we have to ask... who exactly is engaged in petty tribalism?

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    "As the son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland where many of my extended family perished in the Holocaust, I am saddened, but not shocked, by the xenophobia in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe where many other Jews emigrated in the last century. Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions by accepting other migrants fleeing wars and religious oppression. The petty tribalism of human nature has no place in the 21st century either in Europe or especially here in the United States where all, except the dwindling number of Native Americans, are recent immigrants."

    "Billy metz", These exact words are from a comment posted by "Paul" regarding the article that Steve referenced and were selected as a NYT Pick. Are you Paul, or did you simply copy his words?

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Stubborn in Germany

    , @bomag
    @Anonymous

    And every line of this cut-and-pasted argument is misleading: the demographically increasing "Native" Americans are immigrants in a general sense as much as anyone else; being an immigrant doesn't mean you are required to wreck what you have by allowing even more immigration; the Poles suffered plenty in WWII from their neighbors inflicting their values on them (Katyn forest and all that); they are wise to be suspicious of this latest invasion.

    , @Ed
    @Anonymous

    The irony of course is that the only reason why your ancestors were even in Poland was because a king there offered refuge to Jews who were kicked out of other countries.

    I guess this is what Merkel has to look forward to in terms of her legacy. When everything goes to pot people will simply forget she let the suffering minority in the country & will denounce the Germans as bigoted anyway.

  11. “Advice to Mr. Orban: When talking to the American media, don’t say “our traditional Christian values,” say “our traditional Judeo-Christian values.”

    Haha, nice one Steve!

    The whole “judeo-christian” thing was invented after WWII for propaganda purposes, Talmudic judaism is a invention of the Pharisees that killed Jesus Christ according to the New Testament and Mel Gibson.

  12. Martin Schultz, president of the European Parliament, threatens “the Europe of ultra-nationalists” with POWER and struggle. They need to be defeated.

    Wow. Just wow.

  13. If you are Japan, China, South Korea, or Taiwan, pay attention to what’s going on. You may think you are insulated, but, if, say, Hungary can be broken on the Wheel of Diversity, your time may come, too.

    The thing is those countries aren’t afflicted with White Guilt or Legacy of Colonialism or The Jews Wouldn’t Have Died If You Had Opened Your Borders. Those Eastern European countries may not have actually done anything in the past and they can still be associated with the guilt due to them being White Christians. Does anyone in Europe or North America care about the Japanese killing millions during WWII? Or China letting FIFTY MILLION of their own people starve to death? I believe those northeastern Asian countries can fight off such attacks much better than White countries have been able to.

  14. Saudi Arabia has air-conditioned temporary housing for three million people…and it’s sitting empty:

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/saudi-arabia-100000-empty-tents-ac-3-million-people-refugees/

    You can’t make this stuff up.

  15. What kind of “refugees” keep moving hundreds of miles after they’re out of danger? Were the Katrina refugees cleared to go on to Santa Barbara or Hawaii? If a refugee has no intention or sentimental notion of returning, isn’t he more like a pirate abandoning his home? AWOL, wildcatter, gypsy, freebooter, etc.

  16. Fortunately the overwhelming majority of NYT readers, the most liberal in America, aren’t buying it. Augurs well for Trump’s call for “immigration moderation” in the near future.

    • Agree: Anonym, Richard
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Luke Lea


    Fortunately the overwhelming majority of NYT readers, the most liberal in America, aren’t buying it.
     
    If you can afford the world's most expensive crossword puzzle and birdcage liner (is there any other reason to subscribe?), then you probably have some vestigial intelligence and common sense.
    , @Clyde
    @Luke Lea


    Fortunately the overwhelming majority of NYT readers, the most liberal in America, aren’t buying it.
     
    The comment section for immigration articles always runs against the NY Time's Upper Eastside Manhattan cocktail party line. Some anti-immigration comments are from libs. They are very tough on illegals and their anchor babies/birthright citizenship. But others I don't know. They could be just slumming from Unz.com and Vdare. So if you really want to know you must read between the lines.
    691 comments. GOOD! Many more comments than normal means the Time's editorial board's refugee-illegal alien ideology is getting slammed. Go to readers top picks and you get this one from a lib:

    From the article: Lech Walesa, who led that country’s independence movement, said in an interview. “Our salaries and houses are still smaller than those in the West. Many people here don’t believe that they have anything to share with migrants. Especially that they see that migrants are often well-dressed, sometimes better than many Poles. Few migrants, in fact, are particularly interested in settling in Eastern Europe, preferring to head to Germany or Scandinavia..

    That IS an issue. How can locals be asked for their sympathy when their countries aren't even considered 'desirable'. Who are these refugees and what exactly are they fleeing? Shouldn't there be a level of need required in order to immigrate?

    If global inequality continues to increase we can expect to see more of this. Gains can't be solely absorbed by 1 or even 20% of the population without consequences.
     
  17. @Simon in London
    "When talking to the American media"

    The New York media are the font of evil - why talk to them? Maybe one day they'll come back to sanity, but currently the NYT is as much a threat to human civilisation as the US State Department.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ivy, @riches, @riches

    A newspaper that gives bylines to someone who goes by “Rick” is one whose claims to serious reportage belong to the past.

    I’m sorry, but that name just takes years off one’s maturity (not age, though) and points and percentiles off one’s IQ.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Reg Cæsar

    I loved the real estate broker Rick Rock (well, spelt Roque, but don't spoil it) who appeared here not long ago.

    , @EriK
    @Reg Cæsar

    What do you have against Ricks? http://www.famousbirthdays.com/names/rick.html
    Oh, I see.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Brutusale
    @Reg Cæsar

    Maybe you'd prefer Dick? How can any self-respecting Richard allow himself to be called a slang term for penis?

  18. @Luke Lea
    Fortunately the overwhelming majority of NYT readers, the most liberal in America, aren't buying it. Augurs well for Trump's call for "immigration moderation" in the near future.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Clyde

    Fortunately the overwhelming majority of NYT readers, the most liberal in America, aren’t buying it.

    If you can afford the world’s most expensive crossword puzzle and birdcage liner (is there any other reason to subscribe?), then you probably have some vestigial intelligence and common sense.

  19. People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Mark Caplan

    How about very poor social benefits? And surly population that is more clannish and has more propensity toward amoral familism (at least in comparison to sunny, progressive west Europeans)?

    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Mark Caplan

    Not to mention foul, wet and cold weather.

    , @tanabear
    @Mark Caplan

    "...nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too. "

    But they can mitigate the problem by having less generous welfare benefits.

    , @Erik Sieven
    @Mark Caplan

    as long as it is possible Eastern Europeas should think about whether Putin and Russia is really the biggest danger. I´d say get out of Nato, let Nato build up a great defense barrier against eastern totalitarianism and use this barrier as a barrier against everything that comes out of diverse Frankfurt, Bruxelles and Vienna.

    , @Wilkey
    @Mark Caplan

    "People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too."

    Which is why this whole fiasco is bound to destroy the European Union. Eastern Europeans are probably tired of Brussels imposing its will. Truthfully, they're probably better off in the long run not being part of the EU. Instead of their best talent relocating to the already rich West, they can use that talent to develop their own industries.

    And it's not just Eastern Europe. This debate can't do anything to help the cause of keeping Britain in the EU. If Britain chooses to leave, it could create an alternative to the EU - one that has more respect for national sovereignty. The EU threatened Switzerland when Swiss voters tightened immigration laws. It's threatening Eastern Europe now. It will threaten Britain when British voters go to the polls. The Italians and Greeks are probably getting tired of having their countries overrun, on the orders of the EU, by migrants on their way north. There are only so many threats people will take before they tell the EU to fuck off.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Anonymous, @Sean, @Anonym

    , @let it burn, @Anonymous
    @Mark Caplan


    People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.
     
    Eastern Europe sold their asses to the U.S./West like pathetic prison bitches. Now they're being pimped out for not even a cigarette and they want out. Too late, bitches, you're bought and paid for. To quote Bobby Knight, "Just sit back and enjoy it."
    , @FactsAreImportant
    @Mark Caplan


    People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.
     
    It will work the other way around. Germany wants to force Poland and Hungary to take the "refugees," but the "refugees" are free to go to Germany. They will all end up in Germany, Scandinavia, and UK. Germany's attempts to spread them out are futile. Indeed, that's why the "refugees" don't want to stay in Hungary.
  20. Germans are currently out with the fairies.

    This won’t end well, including for the refugees, because German authorities are ignoring common sense.

  21. In the last 50 years, the Western elites, themselves wholly globalist, encouraged hard line nationalist, even nativist, forces in Eastern Europe as a tool against Russia. This worked wonderfully for a long time. But now we are beginning to see the inevitable conflict. I can only imagine Putin’s schandenfreude.

  22. What exactly is all this frenzy to crush Eastern European dissent about, anyway?

    They’ve been doing that to the South since 1865. It’s the Northern elite way or else.

  23. It has been a while since much has been posted on Trump… it has been mostly Muslim migrant focused. If there is an upside to this, I get the feeling that the Syrian issue will only boost his popularity.

    The upside of Trump winning is that if he holds firm, foreign politicians will feel emboldened to defect. And voters will feel emboldened to vote for anti-immigrant candidates. And if Trump can start shifting demographics in our direction it shapes the electoral reality for years to come… in our favor.

  24. The Central Europeans can console themselves that here the West has a 20-30 years’ head start. And also that as the quality of life declines in Western Europe, not only may outward immigration from CE slow, but our countries may actually benefit from quality “white flight” from the West. When Poland was prosperous 400 years ago, we got a good number of Huguenots and Scots.

  25. Steve, do you read the other Unz Review contributors? Peter Frost has been saying for years that South Korea has already been broken on the wheel of diversity.

    And let me guess, you’re still glad that the neocons won the Cold War. They convinced you that it was YOUR victory, that it was guys like you who stuck it to Russians that time, just like they convinced Fox News watchers that all these Middle Eastern wars are being fought for THEIR benefit, not the neocons’ benefit. And that warm feeling of having stuck it to Russians in 1991 is more important to you than the preservation of the ancient peoples of eastern Europe, all of which will be assimilated into non-existance in the next few decades because the strongest one of them, the Russians, lost the first Cold War.

    Tou can’t be for the cause but against the consequences.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Glossy

    Glossy, the Cold War wasn't an exclusively neocon affair; the entire population, save the lunatic far left fringe, had an interest in seeing communism defeated. America and Europe did emerge victorious from that conflict: they prospered while the Soviet Union folded under the weight of its extreme economic idiocy. Nothing that has afflicted the US or Europe since can ever hope to alter that immutable fact of reality - but I can understand why the severe butthurt of economic equalitarian fruitloops causes them to want to rewrite history all the same.

    , @vinteuil
    @Glossy

    Glossy, I am deeply touched by your concern for "the preservation of the ancient peoples of eastern Europe, all of which will be assimilated into non-existence in the next few decades because the strongest one of them, the Russians, lost the first Cold War."

    I, too, care very much about the preservation of these ancient peoples. As it happens, I have spent many weeks in the last few years travelling around Central & Eastern Europe: the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary...most recently, Lithuania, Latvia & Estonia.

    Unfortunately, for some reason , none of the native people in these places seem to understand how much they gained from Soviet rule, and how much they lost when it collapsed.

    They are always going on & on about minor details like what they call the "mass deportations" of ethnic Lithuanians, Latvians & Estonians & their supposed replacement by ethnic Russians - not to mention the purely defensive interventions in Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968!

    I mean, what can you do? At this point, I'm simply at a loss. I just don't know what we can say to such people to prove to them that the preservation of their people was a central value of the CCCP, and remains a central value of the Russian Federation today.

    , @Bolshevitz
    @Glossy

    Not every victory is complete, in fact, it's rare after a decades-long conflict. Anyway the collapse of the imperialist USSR was a nice change to many in Russia also... Only tweed-jacketed unemployable commies in the West were really crying over it.

    , @Bolshevitz
    @Glossy

    And if you're looking for a hero Cuba is still free of neocons at the moment

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @HA
    @Glossy

    To silviosilver, vinteuil, Bolshevitz:

    FYI, Glossy is someone who is convinced that things in the USSR "were going great" until Gorbachev came along. So yeah, when it comes to "the preservation of the ancient peoples of eastern Europe", that's who you want setting the course.

    And if you still think you can let some light into a head that blinkered, consider yourself duly forewarned.

    Replies: @vinteuil

  26. @Mark Caplan
    People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Bies Podkrakowski, @tanabear, @Erik Sieven, @Wilkey, @let it burn, @Anonymous, @FactsAreImportant

    How about very poor social benefits? And surly population that is more clannish and has more propensity toward amoral familism (at least in comparison to sunny, progressive west Europeans)?

  27. @Mark Caplan
    People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Bies Podkrakowski, @tanabear, @Erik Sieven, @Wilkey, @let it burn, @Anonymous, @FactsAreImportant

    Not to mention foul, wet and cold weather.

  28. Merkel, Juncker and Hollande don’t seem to understand how close to falling apart the EU actually is and the Eurozone doesn’t have the capacity to deal with a flood of immigrants. The Eurozone is a region where the official unemployment rate is over 11%! Where GDP growth of 1% is considered above average! Where the contingent liabilities of Greece alone are approaching 500 billion Euros and there is no Greek government that can honor those obligations.

    The only politically viable appeal for European solidarity is to defend the continent from this invasion yet Merkel , Juncker and Hollande are blind to this reality. Rather than Merkel scrape together six or seven billion euros per year to resettle these invaders in Germany she needs to offer that money to Greece and Italy to manage the hordes that have entered. Britain, France, Sweden and the rest of the destination countries should contribute as well. This would accomplish three important objectives. Economic assistance to Italy and Greece to build, operate and manage migrant internment camps. Prevent the chaotic flow of migrants all over Europe without any screening or processing and, finally, dissuade others from coming once they understand they will be kept in remote camps for as long as it takes to process them and determine their status. If that takes 5 years it takes 5 years. There are plenty of young unemployed Greek and Italian men who can be given truncheons, pepper spray and tasers to keep order!

    • Replies: @anon
    @unit472


    Merkel, Juncker and Hollande don’t seem to understand how close to falling apart the EU actually is and the Eurozone doesn’t have the capacity to deal with a flood of immigrants. The Eurozone is a region where the official unemployment rate is over 11%! Where GDP growth of 1% is considered above average!
     
    I think that's why they're doing it.

    The EU political elite want to abolish all the European nations and they have been successfully boiling the frog for decades however the crumbling economy is fueling nationalist and anti-EU sentiment. I think they decided they were going to lose unless they move much faster so they had to go all-out.

    So it's a race now - can they flood Europe with new colonists faster than the natives react.
  29. @Luke Lea
    Fortunately the overwhelming majority of NYT readers, the most liberal in America, aren't buying it. Augurs well for Trump's call for "immigration moderation" in the near future.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Clyde

    Fortunately the overwhelming majority of NYT readers, the most liberal in America, aren’t buying it.

    The comment section for immigration articles always runs against the NY Time’s Upper Eastside Manhattan cocktail party line. Some anti-immigration comments are from libs. They are very tough on illegals and their anchor babies/birthright citizenship. But others I don’t know. They could be just slumming from Unz.com and Vdare. So if you really want to know you must read between the lines.
    691 comments. GOOD! Many more comments than normal means the Time’s editorial board’s refugee-illegal alien ideology is getting slammed. Go to readers top picks and you get this one from a lib:

    From the article: Lech Walesa, who led that country’s independence movement, said in an interview. “Our salaries and houses are still smaller than those in the West. Many people here don’t believe that they have anything to share with migrants. Especially that they see that migrants are often well-dressed, sometimes better than many Poles. Few migrants, in fact, are particularly interested in settling in Eastern Europe, preferring to head to Germany or Scandinavia..

    That IS an issue. How can locals be asked for their sympathy when their countries aren’t even considered ‘desirable’. Who are these refugees and what exactly are they fleeing? Shouldn’t there be a level of need required in order to immigrate?

    If global inequality continues to increase we can expect to see more of this. Gains can’t be solely absorbed by 1 or even 20% of the population without consequences.

  30. broken on the Wheel of Diversity

    Beautiful.

  31. Contemplate this on the Tree of Woe:

    Diversify them.

  32. Diversify your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women.

  33. @Mark Caplan
    People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Bies Podkrakowski, @tanabear, @Erik Sieven, @Wilkey, @let it burn, @Anonymous, @FactsAreImportant

    “…nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too. ”

    But they can mitigate the problem by having less generous welfare benefits.

  34. @Mark Caplan
    People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Bies Podkrakowski, @tanabear, @Erik Sieven, @Wilkey, @let it burn, @Anonymous, @FactsAreImportant

    as long as it is possible Eastern Europeas should think about whether Putin and Russia is really the biggest danger. I´d say get out of Nato, let Nato build up a great defense barrier against eastern totalitarianism and use this barrier as a barrier against everything that comes out of diverse Frankfurt, Bruxelles and Vienna.

  35. For having violated their borders and imposed its will upon their neighbors twice in the last century, Germany is trying to atone…by violating their borders and imposing its will upon them again.

    It wants to apologize for murdering massive numbers of Eastern Europeans not by doing anything for Eastern Europeans, but by forcing Eastern Europeans to take in massive numbers of people from an entirely unrelated population.

    And even Reuters – yes, Reuters – seemed to find irony in the fact that an Austrian leader was accusing some other country of acting like Nazis.

    If Germany wants to atone for its past sins, perhaps it should do so by stepping back and allowing the countries it murdered its way across to take the lead and make the choices that will affect them for centuries – actually forever.

    Germany didn’t just murder its way through Eastern Europe. It turned them into war zones for six years. It’s not only to blame for the sins of its own army, but it also enabled the sins of the Russian army when they fought their way back, including the murder and rape of millions of East Europeans; and for the 40 year occupation by Russia of Eastern Europe.

    But by all means, Europe should take in 22 million Syrians, and 6 million Eritreans, and 12 million South Sudanese. Because when an evil, invading force wants to take over a country a push out the population, the best thing to do is…to let them get their way, and tell the natives they have no obligation to defend their homes, and tell them that instead of doing so that they can move to a rich, Western country and go on welfare.

    And besides, we know that after Syria and South Sudan and Eritrea are at peace – their 40 million people having all relocated to Europe – none of the world’s other 200 countries will ever be at war again ever, so we won’t have to do this again ever, and Europe and America won’t be overrun again with refugees again ever.

    • Agree: Mike Sylwester
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Wilkey

    "Germany didn’t just murder its way through Eastern Europe. It turned them into war zones for six years. It’s not only to blame for the sins of its own army, but it also enabled the sins of the Russian army when they fought their way back, including the murder and rape of millions of East Europeans; and for the 40 year occupation by Russia of Eastern Europe."

    The people who did that are dead and buried. Modern Germans have no culpabilitiy - zero - for any of that. Germans should stop taking guff for their past just as most of us wouldn't take any guff for slavery.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @Anonymous
    @Wilkey

    You're even aware that WW1 and WW2 were different wars, are you?
    And extra lol for now also blaming the Germans for the deeds of the Red Army. Even here it would be hard to find a more lopsided account of WW2.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @backup
    @Wilkey

    Small detail: Hungary was an ally of Nazi Germany.

    , @Anonym
    @Wilkey

    Agree with the general sentiment but but I am pretty sure that Stalin didn't need much assistance from Hitler to roll through much of Eastern Europe before Hitler attacked.

    , @John Derbyshire
    @Wilkey


    And even Reuters – yes, Reuters – seemed to find irony in the fact that an Austrian leader was accusing some other country of acting like Nazis.
     
    Does everyone know why Austrians are the smartest people in the world?

    Because they have persuaded the rest of us that Beethoven was Austrian and Hitler was German.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @oh its just me, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  36. @Reg Cæsar
    @Simon in London

    A newspaper that gives bylines to someone who goes by "Rick" is one whose claims to serious reportage belong to the past.

    I'm sorry, but that name just takes years off one's maturity (not age, though) and points and percentiles off one's IQ.

    Replies: @5371, @EriK, @Brutusale

    I loved the real estate broker Rick Rock (well, spelt Roque, but don’t spoil it) who appeared here not long ago.

  37. @Mark Caplan
    People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Bies Podkrakowski, @tanabear, @Erik Sieven, @Wilkey, @let it burn, @Anonymous, @FactsAreImportant

    “People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.”

    Which is why this whole fiasco is bound to destroy the European Union. Eastern Europeans are probably tired of Brussels imposing its will. Truthfully, they’re probably better off in the long run not being part of the EU. Instead of their best talent relocating to the already rich West, they can use that talent to develop their own industries.

    And it’s not just Eastern Europe. This debate can’t do anything to help the cause of keeping Britain in the EU. If Britain chooses to leave, it could create an alternative to the EU – one that has more respect for national sovereignty. The EU threatened Switzerland when Swiss voters tightened immigration laws. It’s threatening Eastern Europe now. It will threaten Britain when British voters go to the polls. The Italians and Greeks are probably getting tired of having their countries overrun, on the orders of the EU, by migrants on their way north. There are only so many threats people will take before they tell the EU to fuck off.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Wilkey


    If Britain chooses to leave, it could create an alternative to the EU – one that has more respect for national sovereignty.
     
    Really? And who would join with the current morally sick man of Europe to form this more perfect union?

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @Anonymous
    @Wilkey

    It's obvious by now that the EU is a foul, undemocratic, over-bearing bully of a dictatorship.
    Not just a bully, but a stupid, ignorant, incompetent bully.

    , @Sean
    @Wilkey

    “People are completely free to move within the European Union."

    They are encouraged to leave the first country they land in by the local authorities. If those countries could not pass the buck they would have to make the hard decisions. The formulation of this as an international problem (as if there are limited numbers as with the Vietnamese boat people) is the key to nationalist defeat. Internationalisation will ensure that no country is presented with a timely either/or choice. So Europe will inevitably go on trying to bail out the ocean.

    , @Anonym
    @Wilkey

    Yes, suppose they gave a European Union and nobody came? It was just Brussels railing against the wind.

  38. “Don’t say “our traditional Christian values,” say “our traditional Judeo-Christian values”

    Ironically, 9/11 made this no longer acceptable in the mainstream media. Impliciit marginalization of certain racial and religious minorities was OK as long as it was not too pointed. After 9/11, using “Judeo-Christian values” pretty much meant an explicit snub of Muslims.

    So I don’t think a slight change of language is going to be particularly helpful to Mr Orban.

  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Why do these countries dissent from the mainstream Western consensus? One plausible hypothesis is that for fifty years while Western elites were nurturing a culture of contempt for their own civilization, the countries to the east were forced to experience an alternative. Having secured their freedom, they now see the risk of losing it.
    (By the way, press reports suggest that Romania has joined the Central and East European consensus.)

  40. As Eamonn Fingleton points out, Japan is absolutely brilliant at staying under the radar on this. They are quite happy for the West to talk of their ‘lost decade’ and ‘whatever happened to the Japanese challenge?’.

    https://www.unz.com/efingleton/japan-teflon-nation/

    “South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and mainland China are at one in shunning almost all asylum seekers, no matter how deserving they may be. But even by East Asian standards, Japan is remarkably stone-hearted. It accepted a mere six asylum seekers in 2013 and eleven in 2014. Its admission rate seems particularly remarkable when compared with Australia’s. Australia after all is remote from the sources of the refugee problem. By contrast many troubled nations – Vietnam, Cambodia, and Burma, for instance – are relatively speaking in Japan’s backyard. Yet Australia last year granted visas to 6,501 refugees.

    For those who are keeping score, the remarkable thing is how successfully Japan has escaped international censure. Not to put too fine a point on it, Japan is the Teflon nation of global diplomacy. Nothing seems to stick. No matter how disappointingly it falls short of international expectations, it is rarely held to account.”

    The difference twixt Japan and Australia shows how NW European altruism (admittedly pushed and reinforced by some people) compares with Japanese. Now it could be that when the Western World is a fractured set of Brazils, ruled by an immensely wealthy transnational elite, that the Eye of Soros will turn on the Far East. But by that time the Far East may have all the technology.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous Nephew

    The Japanese are the absolute masters at playing lip service.
    They've got 'telling them what they want to hear, showing them what they want to see' down to a fine art.

    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Having membership in that category that Western academics call the "Other" has its benefits. The standards for membership make absolutely no sense, of course, but if you're in, you escape the eye.

    , @Jefferson
    @Anonymous Nephew

    "Now it could be that when the Western World is a fractured set of Brazils, ruled by an immensely wealthy transnational elite, that the Eye of Soros will turn on the Far East. But by that time the Far East may have all the technology."

    George Soros is old enough to be Hillary Clinton's father. He will not be alive to see Western Europe become majority Muslim.

    Replies: @anowow

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Fingleton argues that it's simply due to a coordinated campaign by the Japanese leadership, but I think he gives them too much credit. The reality is that they, along with the other East Asian countries, are much more removed from Western elites than the European countries are, and most people are largely oblivious to what the West thinks, and what the West thinks of them.

    If you ever travel to the East Asian countries, you'll notice that that you might as well be on another planet. Everybody there, including educated elites, are generally terrible at English, and they speak languages that are very different from English. As a result, they're less able to follow the latest trends, except very superficial ones, let alone understand them. What does get through is usually lost in translation. Whereas in Europe, even many ordinary people speak English quite well, and all educated elites are very proficient in it. Furthermore, Europeans generally follow and are aware of the latest intellectual, cultural, and political trends developed by Western elites. They're in a shared media and cultural environment.

    In East Asia, most ordinary people and elites generally are happily oblivious to what the West thinks, what the West thinks of them, and what the West thinks that they should think.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Brutusale
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Paulo Bacigalupi's excellent SF novel "The Windup Girl" posits an interesting solution to the population problem that the Japanese allegedly face: generipped New People.

    We don't need no stinking refugees.

  41. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Wilkey
    @Mark Caplan

    "People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too."

    Which is why this whole fiasco is bound to destroy the European Union. Eastern Europeans are probably tired of Brussels imposing its will. Truthfully, they're probably better off in the long run not being part of the EU. Instead of their best talent relocating to the already rich West, they can use that talent to develop their own industries.

    And it's not just Eastern Europe. This debate can't do anything to help the cause of keeping Britain in the EU. If Britain chooses to leave, it could create an alternative to the EU - one that has more respect for national sovereignty. The EU threatened Switzerland when Swiss voters tightened immigration laws. It's threatening Eastern Europe now. It will threaten Britain when British voters go to the polls. The Italians and Greeks are probably getting tired of having their countries overrun, on the orders of the EU, by migrants on their way north. There are only so many threats people will take before they tell the EU to fuck off.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Anonymous, @Sean, @Anonym

    If Britain chooses to leave, it could create an alternative to the EU – one that has more respect for national sovereignty.

    Really? And who would join with the current morally sick man of Europe to form this more perfect union?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @The most deplorable one

    "Really? And who would join with the current morally sick man of Europe to form this more perfect union?"

    Britain has a fine economy, and historically excellent relations with the US (especially as compared to Germany). If you don't think that would be a huge selling point then I can't help you. If Britain leaves the EU then the EU is doomed.

    Replies: @anon

  42. “If you are Japan, China, South Korea, or Taiwan, pay attention to what’s going on. You may think you are insulated, but, if, say, Hungary can be broken on the Wheel of Diversity, your time may come, too.”

    Sure, if around 5% of your citizenry is working abroad and every year tens of thousands of your youth rely on open borders to seek work in Germany etc., you may find yourselves a little vulnerable to pressure from Germany, no? Hungary is not being broken on the Wheel of Diversity so much as the Wheel of its own….well, I wouldn’t call it Hypocrisy really….perhaps, Dependency.

    The other countries on your list don’t have this problem.

  43. @Mark Caplan
    People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Bies Podkrakowski, @tanabear, @Erik Sieven, @Wilkey, @let it burn, @Anonymous, @FactsAreImportant

  44. I lived in 98 percent white and 94 percent Catholic Poland for about three years around 2000. They have their problems, to be sure, but there’s an atmosphere in a homogeneous country that is unlike that in a diverse one. I really liked it.

    The comments on that NYT article give me hope.

  45. But that’s not the point, the point is to use the Muslim influx to crush resistance in Eastern Europe.

    The Osties should have known it will never be enough. When the emissaries came after the USSR broke up they told the Osties, “just apologize for the Holocaust and it will be enough”. Then, “just refurbish an old synagogue and it will be enough.” Then, “just build a Holocaust museum”. Then, “just add the Holocaust to your children’s school curricula”. Then … then … then … .

    Until they are utterly guilt-ridden, oppressed minorities in their own land, and (preferably) extinct as a nation and a people , it will never be “enough”.

    Israelis fight the same battles against the same forces of evil.

    In Israel, however, the Evil Ones say, “how can we as Jews, victims of the Holocaust, deny refuge to anyone fleeing tyranny and oppression?” Fortunately for the Israelis, race-guilt just doesn’t get the same moral traction. They have looked genocide in the face and say to the Evil Ones, “Never Again”.

    The Osties are learning from the Israeli example.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Big Bill


    Israelis fight the same battles against the same forces of evil.
     
    The very same Jewish organizations that work day and night to promote the interests of Israel stand foursquare in favor of Europe accepting endless numbers of Islamic "refugees." They are not fighting the same "forces of evil" at all.

    Replies: @Ed

    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Big Bill

    I am rather envious of their big, beautiful border wall. I want the same for Christmas.

    Seriously: if you give Israel as an example it is still enough to make some proponents of illegal infiltrators (a great Israeli term) shut up. But I don't know how long this tactics will remain effective.

  46. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The UN is on the case.

    “For Syrian refugees, smartphones are a lifeline — not a toy: U.K. newspaper puts it bluntly: ‘Surprised that Syrian refugees have smartphones? You’re an idiot’”, Zach Dubinsky, CBC News, Sep 12, 2015:

    “…the UN has handed out 33,000 SIM cards and tens of thousands of solar-powered chargers at refugee camps.”

    Hum…

    “…Are these happy young men really timid souls fleeing war and persecution? They aren’t quite the heart-rending image of dishevelled, traumatized refugees fleeing the horrors of their war-torn home country one might expect,” blared Britain’s Express tabloid. …

    …Britain’s Independent newspaper carried this headline: “Surprised that Syrian refugees have smartphones? Sorry to break this to you, but you’re an idiot.”…

    …There’s no rule that refugees must be poor.

    …Plenty of young men — of the social media generation — are fleeing to avoid being conscripted…”

    Maybe those draft-dodgers in the 60s were just refugees before their time.

    “…A German company has designed the Welcome to Dresden app to help refugees negotiate the bureaucracy of signing up for health care, registering with the authorities and enrolling children in schools. It includes a map of the eastern German city, contact info for aid organizations and public bodies, legal advice and other useful tips in five languages, including Arabic.

    An app called Gherbtna, made by a Syrian refugee named Mojahid Akil, helps refugees in Turkey with obtaining residency, finding employment and opening bank accounts, according to UNICEF. …”

    Plan your flash-mob invasion at the click of a button! So easy!

  47. Clearly Viktor Orban and his Eastern-Euro ilk are just scapegoating illegal immigrants to cover for their outrageous “Bear Patrol” boondoggle… (beardoggle?)

  48. Steve, how many of your readers and commenters come from Europe? Now that speech on race, culture and diversity are criminal offenses across Europe, are more of them coming here?

  49. Poland’s new president, Andrzej Duda,

    According to Gunnar Heinsohn, the refugee convention was actually instituted to help people who did not want to return to Soviet dominated counties after WW2. The Poles in Britain after WW2 wanted to stay here for reasons that had nothing to do with politics.

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bosses-62bn-warship-torpedo-scots-5655855

    Poles in Britain can claim British welfare for their children back home in Poland, their PM was outraged at the prospect of any change to British law. Poland is very keen on the rules that let them freeload. Now they are seeing the real “European values”. Hilarious.

  50. “Unlike countries in Western Europe, which have long histories of accepting immigrants from diverse cultures, the former Communist states tend to be highly homogeneous. Poland, for instance, is 98 percent white and 94 percent Catholic.”

    Hold it, hold it. ‘Long histories of accepting immigrants from diverse cultures?’ Uh, as recently as up to 1970, France, UK, Italy, and most Western European nations populations were well over 90 percent white. As recently as up to 1990, Germany’s population was well over 90 percent white.

    So this ‘long histories of accepting immigrants’ is pure baloney. The West was, up to a few decades ago, quite homogenous and mostly white, almost as white as Japan was/and still remains Japanese.

    Perhaps the writer is counting historical invasions (e.g. From Roman times, Dark Ages, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Normans, etc) which while technically true that the invading cultures were diverse, they tended to be all white.

    But honestly. Up to a few decades ago most Western European nations were well over 90-95 percent white as Eastern European nations still remain.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    For the new leftists, history, as well as culture, morality, and everything else, starts with them, so long time=a couple decades.

  51. @Wilkey
    @Mark Caplan

    "People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too."

    Which is why this whole fiasco is bound to destroy the European Union. Eastern Europeans are probably tired of Brussels imposing its will. Truthfully, they're probably better off in the long run not being part of the EU. Instead of their best talent relocating to the already rich West, they can use that talent to develop their own industries.

    And it's not just Eastern Europe. This debate can't do anything to help the cause of keeping Britain in the EU. If Britain chooses to leave, it could create an alternative to the EU - one that has more respect for national sovereignty. The EU threatened Switzerland when Swiss voters tightened immigration laws. It's threatening Eastern Europe now. It will threaten Britain when British voters go to the polls. The Italians and Greeks are probably getting tired of having their countries overrun, on the orders of the EU, by migrants on their way north. There are only so many threats people will take before they tell the EU to fuck off.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Anonymous, @Sean, @Anonym

    It’s obvious by now that the EU is a foul, undemocratic, over-bearing bully of a dictatorship.
    Not just a bully, but a stupid, ignorant, incompetent bully.

    • Agree: Kylie
  52. @Anonymous Nephew
    As Eamonn Fingleton points out, Japan is absolutely brilliant at staying under the radar on this. They are quite happy for the West to talk of their 'lost decade' and 'whatever happened to the Japanese challenge?'.

    https://www.unz.com/efingleton/japan-teflon-nation/

    "South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and mainland China are at one in shunning almost all asylum seekers, no matter how deserving they may be. But even by East Asian standards, Japan is remarkably stone-hearted. It accepted a mere six asylum seekers in 2013 and eleven in 2014. Its admission rate seems particularly remarkable when compared with Australia’s. Australia after all is remote from the sources of the refugee problem. By contrast many troubled nations – Vietnam, Cambodia, and Burma, for instance – are relatively speaking in Japan’s backyard. Yet Australia last year granted visas to 6,501 refugees.

    For those who are keeping score, the remarkable thing is how successfully Japan has escaped international censure. Not to put too fine a point on it, Japan is the Teflon nation of global diplomacy. Nothing seems to stick. No matter how disappointingly it falls short of international expectations, it is rarely held to account."

    The difference twixt Japan and Australia shows how NW European altruism (admittedly pushed and reinforced by some people) compares with Japanese. Now it could be that when the Western World is a fractured set of Brazils, ruled by an immensely wealthy transnational elite, that the Eye of Soros will turn on the Far East. But by that time the Far East may have all the technology.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Jefferson, @Anonymous, @Brutusale

    The Japanese are the absolute masters at playing lip service.
    They’ve got ‘telling them what they want to hear, showing them what they want to see’ down to a fine art.

  53. The EU is supposed to be a consensus-based organization, and that’s part of the reason why it is so sclerotic. But this isn’t consensus, it’s coercion to comply with Germany’s fait accompli. The East Europeans need to hang tough on this, or it’s all over for them.

  54. Unlike countries in Western Europe, which have long histories of accepting immigrants from diverse cultures, the former Communist states tend to be highly homogeneous. Poland, for instance, is 98 percent white and 94 percent Catholic.

    Eastern Europe does have experience with diversity–lots of it. But that was before the world wars and you can’t expect a Times reporter to know anything about that when he’s busy learning everything he can about Jim Crow so he can understand why there’s no Whole Foods in Detroit.

    • Replies: @CJ
    @International Jew

    Eastern Europe does have experience with diversity–lots of it.

    To say the least - linguistic, ethnic, and religious. Plus experience trying to give those linguistic/ethnic/religious groups autonomy within a larger ethnostate. And lots of experience with refugees too, especially after the occupying armies of large imperial states moved back and forth across their territory.

    I was going to make a list: ethnic Germans in a dozen countries, ditto for Jews and Russians, Czechs and Slovaks in one country after the Germans were expelled, Magyars in Romania/Romanians in Hungary, Ukrainians in Poland/Poles in Ukraine, gypsies almost everywhere, the Bosnian catastrophe ... sorry don't have time for an encyclopedia entry.

    Yes, they just need to learn about diversity LOL.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

  55. … if, say, Hungary can be broken on the Wheel of Diversity…

    Great line.

    Unlike countries in Western Europe, which have long histories of accepting immigrants from diverse cultures, the former Communist states tend to be highly homogeneous.

    The former Yugoslavia isn’t considered part of Eastern Europe? What about Ukraine or Mother Russia herself? Of course, as NYT reporters know, the Austro-Hungarian Empire (the USSR’s imperial predecessor in many neighborhoods), was known for its extreme ethnic and linguistic homogeneity, as suggested by its name, seal, and slogan:

    http://istrianet.org/istria/heraldry/austria-hungary/index.htm

    And that’s also why Austro-Hungarian naval officers such as, for example, Georg von Trapp, were taught to sing in not only German, but Hungarian, Italian, and Serbo-Croat. It was purely for cultural enrichment purposes:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=O8xHL01QG8cC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=language+use+by+officers+in+the+austro-hungarian+navy&source=bl&ots=hD2VWH9FQ8&sig=6eXZb38F9TzLWH3odCIVGLzMPoM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBGoVChMI7NGe4bP0xwIVxqw-Ch04kgYv#v=snippet&q=language%20use%20by%20officers%20in%20the%20austro-hungarian%20navy&f=false

    • Replies: @SFG
    @IBC

    Different kinds of white people don't count as 'diversity'.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  56. @Wilkey
    @Mark Caplan

    "People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too."

    Which is why this whole fiasco is bound to destroy the European Union. Eastern Europeans are probably tired of Brussels imposing its will. Truthfully, they're probably better off in the long run not being part of the EU. Instead of their best talent relocating to the already rich West, they can use that talent to develop their own industries.

    And it's not just Eastern Europe. This debate can't do anything to help the cause of keeping Britain in the EU. If Britain chooses to leave, it could create an alternative to the EU - one that has more respect for national sovereignty. The EU threatened Switzerland when Swiss voters tightened immigration laws. It's threatening Eastern Europe now. It will threaten Britain when British voters go to the polls. The Italians and Greeks are probably getting tired of having their countries overrun, on the orders of the EU, by migrants on their way north. There are only so many threats people will take before they tell the EU to fuck off.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Anonymous, @Sean, @Anonym

    “People are completely free to move within the European Union.”

    They are encouraged to leave the first country they land in by the local authorities. If those countries could not pass the buck they would have to make the hard decisions. The formulation of this as an international problem (as if there are limited numbers as with the Vietnamese boat people) is the key to nationalist defeat. Internationalisation will ensure that no country is presented with a timely either/or choice. So Europe will inevitably go on trying to bail out the ocean.

  57. @Reg Cæsar
    @Simon in London

    A newspaper that gives bylines to someone who goes by "Rick" is one whose claims to serious reportage belong to the past.

    I'm sorry, but that name just takes years off one's maturity (not age, though) and points and percentiles off one's IQ.

    Replies: @5371, @EriK, @Brutusale

    What do you have against Ricks? http://www.famousbirthdays.com/names/rick.html
    Oh, I see.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @EriK

    Rick Nelson was legally Eric.

    Rick Barry was a snob, but I modeled my free throw on his, and it worked wonders. It also looks very, very white.

  58. @Wilkey
    For having violated their borders and imposed its will upon their neighbors twice in the last century, Germany is trying to atone...by violating their borders and imposing its will upon them again.

    It wants to apologize for murdering massive numbers of Eastern Europeans not by doing anything for Eastern Europeans, but by forcing Eastern Europeans to take in massive numbers of people from an entirely unrelated population.

    And even Reuters - yes, Reuters - seemed to find irony in the fact that an Austrian leader was accusing some other country of acting like Nazis.

    If Germany wants to atone for its past sins, perhaps it should do so by stepping back and allowing the countries it murdered its way across to take the lead and make the choices that will affect them for centuries - actually forever.

    Germany didn't just murder its way through Eastern Europe. It turned them into war zones for six years. It's not only to blame for the sins of its own army, but it also enabled the sins of the Russian army when they fought their way back, including the murder and rape of millions of East Europeans; and for the 40 year occupation by Russia of Eastern Europe.

    But by all means, Europe should take in 22 million Syrians, and 6 million Eritreans, and 12 million South Sudanese. Because when an evil, invading force wants to take over a country a push out the population, the best thing to do is...to let them get their way, and tell the natives they have no obligation to defend their homes, and tell them that instead of doing so that they can move to a rich, Western country and go on welfare.

    And besides, we know that after Syria and South Sudan and Eritrea are at peace - their 40 million people having all relocated to Europe - none of the world's other 200 countries will ever be at war again ever, so we won't have to do this again ever, and Europe and America won't be overrun again with refugees again ever.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @backup, @Anonym, @John Derbyshire

    “Germany didn’t just murder its way through Eastern Europe. It turned them into war zones for six years. It’s not only to blame for the sins of its own army, but it also enabled the sins of the Russian army when they fought their way back, including the murder and rape of millions of East Europeans; and for the 40 year occupation by Russia of Eastern Europe.”

    The people who did that are dead and buried. Modern Germans have no culpabilitiy – zero – for any of that. Germans should stop taking guff for their past just as most of us wouldn’t take any guff for slavery.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Mr. Anon

    "The people who did that are dead and buried. Modern Germans have no culpabilitiy – zero – for any of that. Germans should stop taking guff for their past just as most of us wouldn’t take any guff for slavery."

    Cool. I agree. I just wish their descendants would stop feeling the need to atone for the sins of their ancestors by basically doing the same thing. Merkel needs to butt out of the immigration policies of other European countries, especially those of Eastern Europe. To atone for the sins of your Third Reich ancestors by ppressing the countries they oppressed is just batshit crazy.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  59. “Advice to Mr. Orban: When talking to the American media, don’t say “our traditional Christian values,” say “our traditional Judeo-Christian values.””

    It didn’t help us any.

  60. Germany Imposes Emergency Border Controls as Migrants Continue to Arrive

    http://time.com/4032779/germany-border-controls/

    • Replies: @Sean
    @MLK

    Anyone with a Syrian passport is admitted and given six months permission to stay. The Syrians are issuing passports very quickly right now so this is not going to effect the main problem. Other nationalities get a month.

  61. The people orchestrating this “migration of peoples” seem to be using the same game-plan as those who are moving Somalis into the U.S. Just as the Somalis get dropped off in some of the whitest parts of America (Maine, Minnesota, Washington), Munich is getting heavily inundated with these Syrians (or fake Syrians). Bavaria is one of the most conservative, traditional, and still Christian parts of Germany. How many will end up in Berlin, which is pink and diversity-friendly…….and where the government lives?

  62. @MLK
    Germany Imposes Emergency Border Controls as Migrants Continue to Arrive

    http://time.com/4032779/germany-border-controls/

    Replies: @Sean

    Anyone with a Syrian passport is admitted and given six months permission to stay. The Syrians are issuing passports very quickly right now so this is not going to effect the main problem. Other nationalities get a month.

  63. @IBC

    ... if, say, Hungary can be broken on the Wheel of Diversity...
     
    Great line.

    Unlike countries in Western Europe, which have long histories of accepting immigrants from diverse cultures, the former Communist states tend to be highly homogeneous.
     
    The former Yugoslavia isn't considered part of Eastern Europe? What about Ukraine or Mother Russia herself? Of course, as NYT reporters know, the Austro-Hungarian Empire (the USSR's imperial predecessor in many neighborhoods), was known for its extreme ethnic and linguistic homogeneity, as suggested by its name, seal, and slogan:

    http://istrianet.org/istria/heraldry/austria-hungary/index.htm

    And that's also why Austro-Hungarian naval officers such as, for example, Georg von Trapp, were taught to sing in not only German, but Hungarian, Italian, and Serbo-Croat. It was purely for cultural enrichment purposes:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=O8xHL01QG8cC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=language+use+by+officers+in+the+austro-hungarian+navy&source=bl&ots=hD2VWH9FQ8&sig=6eXZb38F9TzLWH3odCIVGLzMPoM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBGoVChMI7NGe4bP0xwIVxqw-Ch04kgYv#v=snippet&q=language%20use%20by%20officers%20in%20the%20austro-hungarian%20navy&f=false

    Replies: @SFG

    Different kinds of white people don’t count as ‘diversity’.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @SFG

    "Different kinds of white people don’t count as ‘diversity’."

    I have brown eyes and my sister has green eyes. You would think that would count as diversity, but according to the Left Wing megaphone it still does not count as diversity because me and my sister are White.

    I notice that the Left Wing megaphone's definition of diversity does not include diversity of different eye colors.

  64. @Wilkey
    For having violated their borders and imposed its will upon their neighbors twice in the last century, Germany is trying to atone...by violating their borders and imposing its will upon them again.

    It wants to apologize for murdering massive numbers of Eastern Europeans not by doing anything for Eastern Europeans, but by forcing Eastern Europeans to take in massive numbers of people from an entirely unrelated population.

    And even Reuters - yes, Reuters - seemed to find irony in the fact that an Austrian leader was accusing some other country of acting like Nazis.

    If Germany wants to atone for its past sins, perhaps it should do so by stepping back and allowing the countries it murdered its way across to take the lead and make the choices that will affect them for centuries - actually forever.

    Germany didn't just murder its way through Eastern Europe. It turned them into war zones for six years. It's not only to blame for the sins of its own army, but it also enabled the sins of the Russian army when they fought their way back, including the murder and rape of millions of East Europeans; and for the 40 year occupation by Russia of Eastern Europe.

    But by all means, Europe should take in 22 million Syrians, and 6 million Eritreans, and 12 million South Sudanese. Because when an evil, invading force wants to take over a country a push out the population, the best thing to do is...to let them get their way, and tell the natives they have no obligation to defend their homes, and tell them that instead of doing so that they can move to a rich, Western country and go on welfare.

    And besides, we know that after Syria and South Sudan and Eritrea are at peace - their 40 million people having all relocated to Europe - none of the world's other 200 countries will ever be at war again ever, so we won't have to do this again ever, and Europe and America won't be overrun again with refugees again ever.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @backup, @Anonym, @John Derbyshire

    You’re even aware that WW1 and WW2 were different wars, are you?
    And extra lol for now also blaming the Germans for the deeds of the Red Army. Even here it would be hard to find a more lopsided account of WW2.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Anonymous

    "And extra lol for now also blaming the Germans for the deeds of the Red Army. Even here it would be hard to find a more lopsided account of WW2."

    If Germany hadn't invaded the Soviet Union then Stalin wouldn't have had an excuse for the Red Army to rape and murder its way across Eastern Europe to get to Germany, and he wouldn't have had an excuse to occupy Eastern Europe for 45 years.

    Would he have done so anyway? Well we'll never know, will we?

    Replies: @oh its just me, @Anonymous

  65. Skip Lyman’s b.s. and go straight to the comments, they’re more edifying.

  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Their stance —to be the most vocal opponents. Their stance — reflecting a mix of powerful far-right movements, nationalism, racial and religious prejudices as well as economic arguments that they are less able to afford to take in outsiders than their wealthier neighbors – the latest evidence of the stubborn cultural and political divides that persist between East and West. …”

    What a misrepresentation of very legitimate concerns.

  67. If you are Japan, China, South Korea, or Taiwan, pay attention to what’s going on. You may think you are insulated, but, if, say, Hungary can be broken on the Wheel of Diversity, your time may come, too.

    Not the same as Hungary. The EU and especially Merkel’s Germany is the economic war club used to bash the other nations into line.

    There is no EU in Asia. Nor is it the era of the Boxer Rebellion where we had total military superiority over those people and could beat them into submission with ease. So Obama and his claque of PC/MC nutters can kick and scream all they want, nothing will happen. We have neither economic or military muscle.

  68. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mark Caplan
    People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Bies Podkrakowski, @tanabear, @Erik Sieven, @Wilkey, @let it burn, @Anonymous, @FactsAreImportant

    People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.

    Eastern Europe sold their asses to the U.S./West like pathetic prison bitches. Now they’re being pimped out for not even a cigarette and they want out. Too late, bitches, you’re bought and paid for. To quote Bobby Knight, “Just sit back and enjoy it.”

  69. “But that’s not the point, the point is to use the Muslim influx to crush resistance in Eastern Europe.”

    I bet Glaivester (iSteve commenter) could draw a good cartoon depicting this – maybe he already has.

  70. The Times as always plays with language. “Fraction” could mean anything from a very small number to a huge number. 1 over 1 is a fraction, equal to 100%. And if the number of migrants you end up with is too many, the fraction doesn’t matter anyway.Because you accept a bigger fraction doesn’t make you wonderful, in fact probably makes a mess of your economy and your society.If the “fraction” Poland wants is zero, that’s their choice, not that of the Times or some Brussels EU bureaucrat. Keeps coming back to a global elite dictating to countries against their interests.

  71. @Simon in London
    "When talking to the American media"

    The New York media are the font of evil - why talk to them? Maybe one day they'll come back to sanity, but currently the NYT is as much a threat to human civilisation as the US State Department.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ivy, @riches, @riches

    David Brooks of the New York Times may face a family dilemma.

    He supports US acceptance of “Syrian” refugees.

    Meanwhile, his son in the IDF could be on guard duty shooting at real Syrians trying to get refuge in Israel. That could make for awkward Thanksgiving Dinner conversation.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Ivy

    Not really. I imagine that they are of one mind on the question of "Is it good for the Jews?"

    , @oh its just me
    @Ivy

    no dilemma. One is Israel, one is the US.
    In one, preservation of the ethnic character is important, in the other it is not.

    , @Bill
    @Ivy

    It would only be awkward if some cattle were listening in. Otherwise, just grist for the humor mill.

    , @ben tillman
    @Ivy


    David Brooks of the New York Times may face a family dilemma.

    He supports US acceptance of “Syrian” refugees.

    Meanwhile, his son in the IDF could be on guard duty shooting at real Syrians trying to get refuge in Israel. That could make for awkward Thanksgiving Dinner conversation.
     
    How? The two policies work hand in glove.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

  72. @Wilkey
    For having violated their borders and imposed its will upon their neighbors twice in the last century, Germany is trying to atone...by violating their borders and imposing its will upon them again.

    It wants to apologize for murdering massive numbers of Eastern Europeans not by doing anything for Eastern Europeans, but by forcing Eastern Europeans to take in massive numbers of people from an entirely unrelated population.

    And even Reuters - yes, Reuters - seemed to find irony in the fact that an Austrian leader was accusing some other country of acting like Nazis.

    If Germany wants to atone for its past sins, perhaps it should do so by stepping back and allowing the countries it murdered its way across to take the lead and make the choices that will affect them for centuries - actually forever.

    Germany didn't just murder its way through Eastern Europe. It turned them into war zones for six years. It's not only to blame for the sins of its own army, but it also enabled the sins of the Russian army when they fought their way back, including the murder and rape of millions of East Europeans; and for the 40 year occupation by Russia of Eastern Europe.

    But by all means, Europe should take in 22 million Syrians, and 6 million Eritreans, and 12 million South Sudanese. Because when an evil, invading force wants to take over a country a push out the population, the best thing to do is...to let them get their way, and tell the natives they have no obligation to defend their homes, and tell them that instead of doing so that they can move to a rich, Western country and go on welfare.

    And besides, we know that after Syria and South Sudan and Eritrea are at peace - their 40 million people having all relocated to Europe - none of the world's other 200 countries will ever be at war again ever, so we won't have to do this again ever, and Europe and America won't be overrun again with refugees again ever.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @backup, @Anonym, @John Derbyshire

    Small detail: Hungary was an ally of Nazi Germany.

  73. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Homo agenda is used to loosen the wheel.

    It favors globo decadence over national pride. It un-mans men and hooks women to insipid narcissistic culture promoted by globo-homos.

    Notice how Elton John shapes debate about Ukraine and Russia in the west.
    Notice how George Takei or Tacky has been made the spokesman of Asian-America.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34235739

    Notice how 50% of Brits say they are not fully male or female.
    How can such un-manned men defend their own?

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/08/17/half_of_young_brits_not_heterosexual_says_yougov_poll.html

    Notice that wherever US-globo imperialism gets a foothold, it uses the homo hammer.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-02/meet-vietnam-s-gay-power-couple-u-s-ambassador-and-his-husband

    https://www.rt.com/politics/georgian-law-bust-undercover-026/

    The West also uses the homo issue to moraaly bully other nations. “We are more evolved than tou homophobic savages.”

    From spreading the light of Jesus to spreading the gairty of homo.
    —————

    Then:

    If it weren’t for Germany, Eastern Europe would not have fallen to communism.

    Now:

    If it weren’t for Germany, Eastern Europe would not be falling to immigrism.

    Imperialism of Guilt. Germans projecting their ‘guilt’ onto others.

  74. The silver lining for Eastern Europe is that even if the axis of diversity succeeds in getting Eastern Europe to accept more “refugees”, they will soon depart to the west. Polish people are already demonstrating against the quotas.

  75. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Ivy
    @Simon in London

    David Brooks of the New York Times may face a family dilemma.

    He supports US acceptance of "Syrian" refugees.

    Meanwhile, his son in the IDF could be on guard duty shooting at real Syrians trying to get refuge in Israel. That could make for awkward Thanksgiving Dinner conversation.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @oh its just me, @Bill, @ben tillman

    Not really. I imagine that they are of one mind on the question of “Is it good for the Jews?”

  76. Interestingly, Denmark is taking the harshest stance of all, and there’s hardly a peep out of the media about that. The Danes have shut down their border with Germany, stopped train and ferry service and erected roadblocks.

    The EE countries are easier to push around, it seems. Or at least that’s what the EU bureaucrats think.

    I keep asking myself what on earth is wrong with the Germans. Do they just get off on invasion or something? What they are doing here would have been grounds for war just a couple decades ago. I think it still is. Angela Merkel is a puppet and a fool.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Bill P

    Germany has been under occupation for a long time now. In a way, asking why Herod does not rebel against Pilate is a good question. In another way, asking why Herod does not rebel against Pilate is a daft question.

    Put another way, "I keep asking myself what on earth is wrong with the Americans. Do they just get off on invasion or something?"

    The underlying idea that democratic governments somehow represent the will of their people is the problem. That's the idea that has to go. It's silly. Democracy does a very specific thing. It guarantees that the ruling elite will be skillful, sociopathic liars. That's the key skill for success in democracy, so that's what you get.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Anonymous
    @Bill P

    Self-destructive immigration policy is a case for war? But not imposing mulit-culturalism on other countries, like the State Department does?

    But anyway, we're dealing with Germans here, so let's firebomb Dresden again.

  77. Third Worldism is a new secular religion, it involves the gathering of the likeminded, hugging, and lighting candles. Refugees welcome marches across Europe:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2015/sep/13/solidarity-with-refugees-march-in-pictures

    Jeremy Corbyn, now the leader of the Labour Party, favors destruction of UK nuclear weapons and ending its submarine program, withdrawal from NATO, a boycott of Israel, and ending the supposed abusive monitoring of Muslims in the UK.

    To Jeremy Corbyn, the 66-year-old hard Left MP for Islington North, the biggest problem with immigration is that Britain does not have enough of it.

    Out of touch with mainstream opinion, he denounces every attempt, no matter how limited, to get a grip on the border crisis.

    In an interview with his supporter Salma Yaqoob, the radical Respect party’s former leader who once described the London July bombings of 2005 as “a reprisal event” for British aggression in the Middle East, Corbyn wailed about “Islamophobia” and declared that what Britain needs is “an increase in levels of multi-culturalism.”

    Well, quite a few voters could give him a list, which would include home grown terrorism, Sharia law, institutionalised misogyny, gangland violence, social divisions, ballot box fraud and soaring welfare bills.

    An MP since 1983, Corbyn has always been a fanatic for multi-culturalism.

    For a decade from 1985, I served alongside him in the Islington North Labour Party as Assistant Secretary, and I will never forget how he used to bang on about the supposed horrors of tight immigration controls which, in his fantastic view, were creating a kind of “Fortress Europe.”

    In his mindset, any opposition is mass immigration is nothing more bigotry, a belief that led him recently to claim that Ukip voters are “motivated to some extent by racism.”

    Suffused with self-righteous fervour, he peddles the pseudoacademic term “xeno-racism” to describe the prejudice “directed at any impoverished strangers.”

    This prejudice, he claims, includes restrictions on benefits and legal support for asylum seekers, as well as the use of the terms “illegal” or “economic migrants.”

    Indeed, Corbyn has been furious in condemning attempts to limit immigration.

    Recently, he described the coalition’s introduction of a new income threshold for family visas as “cruel on children”, “contrary to the principles of the Human Rights conventions” and “really not necessary.”

    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/600949/Immigration-Jeremy-Corbyn-Leo-McKinstry

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Lot


    Jeremy Corbyn, now the leader of the Labour Party, favors destruction of UK nuclear weapons and ending its submarine program, withdrawal from NATO, a boycott of Israel, and ending the supposed abusive monitoring of Muslims in the UK.
     
    So he's not all bad news then.

    Replies: @oh its just me

  78. Big news: some sanity in Germany. (HT Legal Insurrection.)

    The Independent reports:

    Germany has reintroduced border controls with Austria, its interior minister has confirmed, halting all trains and deploying 2,100 riot police to help carry out checks.

    Der Spiegel reported that only those with “valid travel documents” would be allowed to enter the country from Austria “until further notice”.

    So it IS possible to control borders and keep out illegal “refugees”?

    “And we also need to prevent more refugees from coming to Europe from Syria, Iraq and other countries.”

    How, pray tell? (Hint: see above.)

    Munich’s mayor, Dieter Reiter, said earlier on Sunday that the city had reached its “upper limit” of capacity for housing refugees.

    So there ARE limits?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-to-reintroduce-border-controls-with-austria-as-thousands-of-refugees-arrive-in-munich-10498880.html

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/09/germany-reintroduces-border-controls-at-austrian-border/

  79. More weird stories from Europe:

    Norway proposes housing migrants in Svalbard.

    Germans housing migrants in Buchenwald.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Bill P

    Great idea. Svalbard is gloomy, cold and you'd need to be really in fear of your life to want to go there. Also a large polar bear population - they killed an Eton schoolboy on a field trip last year (the schoolboys not the bears).

    Merkel's original open-border policy followed by border closures was described by one Guardian commenter as the equivalent of advertising a teenage house party on Facebook, then calling the police when 500 people turn up and trash the place.

    Another pointed out that in the 1940s Germany flooded an unwilling Europe with millions of military-age young men, and is now doing it all over again.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  80. @International Jew

    Unlike countries in Western Europe, which have long histories of accepting immigrants from diverse cultures, the former Communist states tend to be highly homogeneous. Poland, for instance, is 98 percent white and 94 percent Catholic.
     
    Eastern Europe does have experience with diversity--lots of it. But that was before the world wars and you can't expect a Times reporter to know anything about that when he's busy learning everything he can about Jim Crow so he can understand why there's no Whole Foods in Detroit.

    Replies: @CJ

    Eastern Europe does have experience with diversity–lots of it.

    To say the least – linguistic, ethnic, and religious. Plus experience trying to give those linguistic/ethnic/religious groups autonomy within a larger ethnostate. And lots of experience with refugees too, especially after the occupying armies of large imperial states moved back and forth across their territory.

    I was going to make a list: ethnic Germans in a dozen countries, ditto for Jews and Russians, Czechs and Slovaks in one country after the Germans were expelled, Magyars in Romania/Romanians in Hungary, Ukrainians in Poland/Poles in Ukraine, gypsies almost everywhere, the Bosnian catastrophe … sorry don’t have time for an encyclopedia entry.

    Yes, they just need to learn about diversity LOL.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @CJ


    gypsies almost everywhere
     
    It is racist to use the term "gypsies".

    The more politically correct term is "worthless, thieving Roma"
  81. Neighbors? how about ‘vassal and future vassal states’?

    And what hole? This is exactly what the EU (and US) power elite want- a flood of people to swamp any nationalist opposition to their superstates.

  82. @Ivy
    @Simon in London

    David Brooks of the New York Times may face a family dilemma.

    He supports US acceptance of "Syrian" refugees.

    Meanwhile, his son in the IDF could be on guard duty shooting at real Syrians trying to get refuge in Israel. That could make for awkward Thanksgiving Dinner conversation.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @oh its just me, @Bill, @ben tillman

    no dilemma. One is Israel, one is the US.
    In one, preservation of the ethnic character is important, in the other it is not.

  83. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Germany Imposes Emergency Border Controls as Migrants Continue to Arrive

    http://time.com/4032779/germany-border-controls/”

    It appears the Fallacy of No Consequences is colliding with the rocky shore of reality:

    “‘We can’t take any more!’ Germany stops ALL trains from Austria as they reintroduce border controls and temporarily suspend Schengen Agreement”, Thomas Burrows and Sam Tonkin, DailyMail, 13 September 2015:

    “…Munich…the main entry point, is now at breaking point… …Germany has announced a reintroduction of ‘temporary’ border controls… The move marks a dramatic shift back from Europe’s Schengen agreement… Germany’s open-door policy to refugees appeared to be unravelling…

    …reinstatement of border controls to curb the overwhelming influx…halted all trains from Austria …dramatic shift away from the current abolishment of passport checks…

    …German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said… ‘…limit the current inflows to Germany and to return to orderly procedures…’ …

    …A police spokesman in Munich said: ‘…it is very clear that we have reached the upper limit of our capacity.’ …

    Federal transport minister Alexander Dobrindt added …’effective measures are necessary now to stop the influx… includes an effective control of our own borders which also no longer works given the EU’s complete failure to protect its external borders’. …

    …Germany has allowed 450,000 refugees in so far this year…

    …Prime Minister of Hungary Viktor Orban… accused European leaders of ‘living in a dream world’.”

    Young women are happy to play the princess.

  84. Lazy workers are being booted when immigrants can do the job without a toilet break. Tired workers are only hired in the sex trade. Jobs are available for those that are willing to sell their white ass to survive.

  85. @Mark Caplan
    People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Bies Podkrakowski, @tanabear, @Erik Sieven, @Wilkey, @let it burn, @Anonymous, @FactsAreImportant

    People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too.

    It will work the other way around. Germany wants to force Poland and Hungary to take the “refugees,” but the “refugees” are free to go to Germany. They will all end up in Germany, Scandinavia, and UK. Germany’s attempts to spread them out are futile. Indeed, that’s why the “refugees” don’t want to stay in Hungary.

  86. @Simon in London
    "When talking to the American media"

    The New York media are the font of evil - why talk to them? Maybe one day they'll come back to sanity, but currently the NYT is as much a threat to human civilisation as the US State Department.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ivy, @riches, @riches

    Unfortunately, New York media aren’t alone.

    At this blog last January 15th, a fellow commenter of “Simon in London” quoted England’s Financial Times bemoaning: “Warsaw, a bustling prosperous European financial centre(‘s) … lack of diversity on the streets.”

    Needless to write, this was well before any refugee crisis. So there’s another far more important agenda here than concern for migrants.

  87. @Bill P
    More weird stories from Europe:

    Norway proposes housing migrants in Svalbard.

    Germans housing migrants in Buchenwald.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    Great idea. Svalbard is gloomy, cold and you’d need to be really in fear of your life to want to go there. Also a large polar bear population – they killed an Eton schoolboy on a field trip last year (the schoolboys not the bears).

    Merkel’s original open-border policy followed by border closures was described by one Guardian commenter as the equivalent of advertising a teenage house party on Facebook, then calling the police when 500 people turn up and trash the place.

    Another pointed out that in the 1940s Germany flooded an unwilling Europe with millions of military-age young men, and is now doing it all over again.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous Nephew

    There's never a comparison too far fetched to conjure the eternal Nazi.

  88. Different kinds of white people don’t count as ‘diversity’.

    Which is prime for mocking. Blacks, with all the same color hair and eyes, same texture hair, quite similar skin coloring…diverse. Yellows, with all the same color hair and eyes, same texture hair, quite similar skin coloring…diverse. Whites, by far the Earth’s most varied race in terms of hair and eye color, hair texture, with quite varied coloring…definition of non-diversity.

    China, 1.x billion Han with very homogenous culture by European standards = diverse. Europe, however many crazy quilt cultures and ethnic groups, bewildering array of languages…oh just samey-same.

    Sub-Saharan Africa has produced very little in the way of intellectual output, probably less than any three European nations (maybe even if you count the micro-states), but, Africans=diverse and Europeans=boring bland whitebread goyim.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Svigor

    "Which is prime for mocking. Blacks, with all the same color hair and eyes, same texture hair, quite similar skin coloring…diverse. Yellows, with all the same color hair and eyes, same texture hair, quite similar skin coloring…diverse. Whites, by far the Earth’s most varied race in terms of hair and eye color, hair texture, with quite varied coloring…definition of non-diversity.

    China, 1.x billion Han with very homogenous culture by European standards = diverse. Europe, however many crazy quilt cultures and ethnic groups, bewildering array of languages…oh just samey-same.

    Sub-Saharan Africa has produced very little in the way of intellectual output, probably less than any three European nations (maybe even if you count the micro-states), but, Africans=diverse and Europeans=boring bland whitebread goyim."

    In America, diversity is defined by how Black a place is. By the Left Wing megaphone's logic, Detroit is a lot more racially diverse than Sacramento. Baltimore is a lot more racially diverse than San Francisco. Memphis is a lot more racially diverse than San Diego. Birmingham is a lot more racially diverse than San Jose.

  89. Austrian officials said around 6,000 refugees had entered the country since midnight and that it was on course for a record 10,000 for the day, with the vast majority heading for the German border.

    Wow.

    10,000 per day = 3.6 million per year … coming into just Austria.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-to-reintroduce-border-controls-with-austria-as-thousands-of-refugees-arrive-in-munich-10498880.html

  90. @Simon in London
    "When talking to the American media"

    The New York media are the font of evil - why talk to them? Maybe one day they'll come back to sanity, but currently the NYT is as much a threat to human civilisation as the US State Department.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ivy, @riches, @riches

    Nor is New York media alone.

    Last January 15th, a fellow commenter of Simon in London quoted England’s Financial Times bemoaning: “Warsaw(‘s) … lack of diversity on the streets.”

    Needless to write, this was well before any refugee crisis. So there’s clearly another agenda in the works.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @riches

    The new transnational elite likes to be able to choose from many cuisines for dinner no matter which city they're in.

    Also, they prefer to see a transnational underclass from the windows of their taxis as they're being shuttled between their hotel and their restaurant of choice.

    The first preference is just modern infantalization writ large--"I'm in Warsaw but I want really, really good humus, and I can't wait for the next time I'm in the middle east. I want it now!"

    The second one is because an ethnically homogenous population gives the suggestion that the elites are just visiting. Who wants to feel like a visitor on their own property?

  91. @Wilkey
    For having violated their borders and imposed its will upon their neighbors twice in the last century, Germany is trying to atone...by violating their borders and imposing its will upon them again.

    It wants to apologize for murdering massive numbers of Eastern Europeans not by doing anything for Eastern Europeans, but by forcing Eastern Europeans to take in massive numbers of people from an entirely unrelated population.

    And even Reuters - yes, Reuters - seemed to find irony in the fact that an Austrian leader was accusing some other country of acting like Nazis.

    If Germany wants to atone for its past sins, perhaps it should do so by stepping back and allowing the countries it murdered its way across to take the lead and make the choices that will affect them for centuries - actually forever.

    Germany didn't just murder its way through Eastern Europe. It turned them into war zones for six years. It's not only to blame for the sins of its own army, but it also enabled the sins of the Russian army when they fought their way back, including the murder and rape of millions of East Europeans; and for the 40 year occupation by Russia of Eastern Europe.

    But by all means, Europe should take in 22 million Syrians, and 6 million Eritreans, and 12 million South Sudanese. Because when an evil, invading force wants to take over a country a push out the population, the best thing to do is...to let them get their way, and tell the natives they have no obligation to defend their homes, and tell them that instead of doing so that they can move to a rich, Western country and go on welfare.

    And besides, we know that after Syria and South Sudan and Eritrea are at peace - their 40 million people having all relocated to Europe - none of the world's other 200 countries will ever be at war again ever, so we won't have to do this again ever, and Europe and America won't be overrun again with refugees again ever.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @backup, @Anonym, @John Derbyshire

    Agree with the general sentiment but but I am pretty sure that Stalin didn’t need much assistance from Hitler to roll through much of Eastern Europe before Hitler attacked.

  92. @Wilkey
    @Mark Caplan

    "People are completely free to move within the European Union. Once the migrants gain a beachhead in a Willkommen country, nothing can stop Poland and Hungary from being overrun too."

    Which is why this whole fiasco is bound to destroy the European Union. Eastern Europeans are probably tired of Brussels imposing its will. Truthfully, they're probably better off in the long run not being part of the EU. Instead of their best talent relocating to the already rich West, they can use that talent to develop their own industries.

    And it's not just Eastern Europe. This debate can't do anything to help the cause of keeping Britain in the EU. If Britain chooses to leave, it could create an alternative to the EU - one that has more respect for national sovereignty. The EU threatened Switzerland when Swiss voters tightened immigration laws. It's threatening Eastern Europe now. It will threaten Britain when British voters go to the polls. The Italians and Greeks are probably getting tired of having their countries overrun, on the orders of the EU, by migrants on their way north. There are only so many threats people will take before they tell the EU to fuck off.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Anonymous, @Sean, @Anonym

    Yes, suppose they gave a European Union and nobody came? It was just Brussels railing against the wind.

  93. @Ivy
    @Simon in London

    David Brooks of the New York Times may face a family dilemma.

    He supports US acceptance of "Syrian" refugees.

    Meanwhile, his son in the IDF could be on guard duty shooting at real Syrians trying to get refuge in Israel. That could make for awkward Thanksgiving Dinner conversation.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @oh its just me, @Bill, @ben tillman

    It would only be awkward if some cattle were listening in. Otherwise, just grist for the humor mill.

  94. German_reader says:

    Polish-Jewish historian Jan T. Gross (now Princeton University) had an article in Welt online today:

    http://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/article146355392/Die-Osteuropaeer-haben-kein-Schamgefuehl.html

    In it he lauds Germany for having learned the “right lessons” from its Nazi past and for its “generosity” towards “refugees” and calls the Eastern Europeans cold-hearted cynics who have yet to face up to their “crimes” (especially those against Jews) during the 2nd world war.
    He also claims Poles killed more Jews than Germans during the 2nd world war (which seems pretty slanderous to me).
    Maybe this crisis will alert Eastern Europeans to the fact that Russia isn’t the only or even the most serious threat to them…EU and transatlantic influence might be even more dangerous in the long run.

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    @German_reader

    "He also claims Poles killed more Jews than Germans during the 2nd world war (which seems pretty slanderous to me)."

    They did, he just forgets to mention they were NKVD who were murdering innocent poles for years before the Germans came. But Polish lives don't matter to Mr. Gross, do they?

  95. @Bill P
    Interestingly, Denmark is taking the harshest stance of all, and there's hardly a peep out of the media about that. The Danes have shut down their border with Germany, stopped train and ferry service and erected roadblocks.

    The EE countries are easier to push around, it seems. Or at least that's what the EU bureaucrats think.

    I keep asking myself what on earth is wrong with the Germans. Do they just get off on invasion or something? What they are doing here would have been grounds for war just a couple decades ago. I think it still is. Angela Merkel is a puppet and a fool.

    Replies: @Bill, @Anonymous

    Germany has been under occupation for a long time now. In a way, asking why Herod does not rebel against Pilate is a good question. In another way, asking why Herod does not rebel against Pilate is a daft question.

    Put another way, “I keep asking myself what on earth is wrong with the Americans. Do they just get off on invasion or something?”

    The underlying idea that democratic governments somehow represent the will of their people is the problem. That’s the idea that has to go. It’s silly. Democracy does a very specific thing. It guarantees that the ruling elite will be skillful, sociopathic liars. That’s the key skill for success in democracy, so that’s what you get.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Bill

    Democracy does a very specific thing. It guarantees that the ruling elite will be skillful, sociopathic liars. That’s the key skill for success in democracy, so that’s what you get.

    That is a brilliant observation. I wish I could give you attribution when I quote it.

  96. @Wilkey
    For having violated their borders and imposed its will upon their neighbors twice in the last century, Germany is trying to atone...by violating their borders and imposing its will upon them again.

    It wants to apologize for murdering massive numbers of Eastern Europeans not by doing anything for Eastern Europeans, but by forcing Eastern Europeans to take in massive numbers of people from an entirely unrelated population.

    And even Reuters - yes, Reuters - seemed to find irony in the fact that an Austrian leader was accusing some other country of acting like Nazis.

    If Germany wants to atone for its past sins, perhaps it should do so by stepping back and allowing the countries it murdered its way across to take the lead and make the choices that will affect them for centuries - actually forever.

    Germany didn't just murder its way through Eastern Europe. It turned them into war zones for six years. It's not only to blame for the sins of its own army, but it also enabled the sins of the Russian army when they fought their way back, including the murder and rape of millions of East Europeans; and for the 40 year occupation by Russia of Eastern Europe.

    But by all means, Europe should take in 22 million Syrians, and 6 million Eritreans, and 12 million South Sudanese. Because when an evil, invading force wants to take over a country a push out the population, the best thing to do is...to let them get their way, and tell the natives they have no obligation to defend their homes, and tell them that instead of doing so that they can move to a rich, Western country and go on welfare.

    And besides, we know that after Syria and South Sudan and Eritrea are at peace - their 40 million people having all relocated to Europe - none of the world's other 200 countries will ever be at war again ever, so we won't have to do this again ever, and Europe and America won't be overrun again with refugees again ever.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Anonymous, @backup, @Anonym, @John Derbyshire

    And even Reuters – yes, Reuters – seemed to find irony in the fact that an Austrian leader was accusing some other country of acting like Nazis.

    Does everyone know why Austrians are the smartest people in the world?

    Because they have persuaded the rest of us that Beethoven was Austrian and Hitler was German.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @John Derbyshire

    LOL, yep. I once heard almost those exact words from an actual German: "Germany gave Austria Mozart and Austria gave Germany Hitler."

    , @oh its just me
    @John Derbyshire

    If Hitler were born in India, would India be "guilty"?
    Is Kipling Indian?

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @John Derbyshire

    And that's Greek to me.

  97. @Anonymous Nephew
    As Eamonn Fingleton points out, Japan is absolutely brilliant at staying under the radar on this. They are quite happy for the West to talk of their 'lost decade' and 'whatever happened to the Japanese challenge?'.

    https://www.unz.com/efingleton/japan-teflon-nation/

    "South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and mainland China are at one in shunning almost all asylum seekers, no matter how deserving they may be. But even by East Asian standards, Japan is remarkably stone-hearted. It accepted a mere six asylum seekers in 2013 and eleven in 2014. Its admission rate seems particularly remarkable when compared with Australia’s. Australia after all is remote from the sources of the refugee problem. By contrast many troubled nations – Vietnam, Cambodia, and Burma, for instance – are relatively speaking in Japan’s backyard. Yet Australia last year granted visas to 6,501 refugees.

    For those who are keeping score, the remarkable thing is how successfully Japan has escaped international censure. Not to put too fine a point on it, Japan is the Teflon nation of global diplomacy. Nothing seems to stick. No matter how disappointingly it falls short of international expectations, it is rarely held to account."

    The difference twixt Japan and Australia shows how NW European altruism (admittedly pushed and reinforced by some people) compares with Japanese. Now it could be that when the Western World is a fractured set of Brazils, ruled by an immensely wealthy transnational elite, that the Eye of Soros will turn on the Far East. But by that time the Far East may have all the technology.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Jefferson, @Anonymous, @Brutusale

    Having membership in that category that Western academics call the “Other” has its benefits. The standards for membership make absolutely no sense, of course, but if you’re in, you escape the eye.

  98. @Anonymous Nephew
    As Eamonn Fingleton points out, Japan is absolutely brilliant at staying under the radar on this. They are quite happy for the West to talk of their 'lost decade' and 'whatever happened to the Japanese challenge?'.

    https://www.unz.com/efingleton/japan-teflon-nation/

    "South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and mainland China are at one in shunning almost all asylum seekers, no matter how deserving they may be. But even by East Asian standards, Japan is remarkably stone-hearted. It accepted a mere six asylum seekers in 2013 and eleven in 2014. Its admission rate seems particularly remarkable when compared with Australia’s. Australia after all is remote from the sources of the refugee problem. By contrast many troubled nations – Vietnam, Cambodia, and Burma, for instance – are relatively speaking in Japan’s backyard. Yet Australia last year granted visas to 6,501 refugees.

    For those who are keeping score, the remarkable thing is how successfully Japan has escaped international censure. Not to put too fine a point on it, Japan is the Teflon nation of global diplomacy. Nothing seems to stick. No matter how disappointingly it falls short of international expectations, it is rarely held to account."

    The difference twixt Japan and Australia shows how NW European altruism (admittedly pushed and reinforced by some people) compares with Japanese. Now it could be that when the Western World is a fractured set of Brazils, ruled by an immensely wealthy transnational elite, that the Eye of Soros will turn on the Far East. But by that time the Far East may have all the technology.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Jefferson, @Anonymous, @Brutusale

    “Now it could be that when the Western World is a fractured set of Brazils, ruled by an immensely wealthy transnational elite, that the Eye of Soros will turn on the Far East. But by that time the Far East may have all the technology.”

    George Soros is old enough to be Hillary Clinton’s father. He will not be alive to see Western Europe become majority Muslim.

    • Replies: @anowow
    @Jefferson

    Soros will be the first Titan to have his brain put in a preservation canister, then it's 1000 years of cymek rule until Omnius takes over. The horrors of machine rule have been described in works of literature, but there is one detail that has been left out. The mass killings, planet destructions and enslavement are all very bad, but consider this, Omnius, the future ruler of the human universe, runs on an Android operating system.

  99. @Ivy
    @Simon in London

    David Brooks of the New York Times may face a family dilemma.

    He supports US acceptance of "Syrian" refugees.

    Meanwhile, his son in the IDF could be on guard duty shooting at real Syrians trying to get refuge in Israel. That could make for awkward Thanksgiving Dinner conversation.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @oh its just me, @Bill, @ben tillman

    David Brooks of the New York Times may face a family dilemma.

    He supports US acceptance of “Syrian” refugees.

    Meanwhile, his son in the IDF could be on guard duty shooting at real Syrians trying to get refuge in Israel. That could make for awkward Thanksgiving Dinner conversation.

    How? The two policies work hand in glove.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    @ben tillman

    I picture them both sitting at the dinner table, the manischewitz flowing, TV on CNN International, and both Brooks and his son laughing maniacally.

  100. Here’s a snippet from the Guardian which explains why poor little Hungary is susceptible to those mean German bullies.

    “The German decision to erect border controls may frighten the east Europeans into concessions, given that Schengen membership is one of the most highly prized aspects of EU membership for the former Soviet bloc countries, whose travel rights were severely restricted until 1989.”

    It appears third-world migrants are not the only ones who feel entitled to just wander into Germany whenever they feel like it.

    • Replies: @Nador
    @Vinay

    Of course The Guardian does not make any sense. Even if border controls are restored, citizens of EU member states can cross the border. All you need to do is show your ID-s. It is only a minor inconvenience.

  101. iSteveFan says:

    Poland, for instance, is 98 percent white and 94 percent Catholic.

    The horror. The horror.

    “If you scratch the surface, why are they so upset? It’s not about jobs or the ability to manage them or social welfare. What it is really about is that they are Muslim.”

    And there is good reason that Eastern Euros are upset because the migrants are Mohammedans. Does this guy even know muslims have had a long history of oppressing Eastern Europeans? Does he realize some Eastern Europeans were occupied by them for nearly 500 years? Does he realize there are still some Eastern Europeans alive today who were born when their homeland was still under occupation?

    Moving mass numbers of muslims into areas they used to lord over would be like moving mass numbers of whites into former European colonies.

  102. I must say I don’t understand the comment moderating system. I see comments get posted while mine is awaiting moderation — perhaps they were submitted earlier. But then I see responses to those comments get posted while mine is still awaiting moderation.

    So if comments aren’t moderated in order, how *are* they moderated?

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Vinay

    How are comments moderated? Extremely well.

  103. Germany is closing borders so maybe all is not well there either. You don’t govern to get likes on Facebook.

  104. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous Nephew
    As Eamonn Fingleton points out, Japan is absolutely brilliant at staying under the radar on this. They are quite happy for the West to talk of their 'lost decade' and 'whatever happened to the Japanese challenge?'.

    https://www.unz.com/efingleton/japan-teflon-nation/

    "South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and mainland China are at one in shunning almost all asylum seekers, no matter how deserving they may be. But even by East Asian standards, Japan is remarkably stone-hearted. It accepted a mere six asylum seekers in 2013 and eleven in 2014. Its admission rate seems particularly remarkable when compared with Australia’s. Australia after all is remote from the sources of the refugee problem. By contrast many troubled nations – Vietnam, Cambodia, and Burma, for instance – are relatively speaking in Japan’s backyard. Yet Australia last year granted visas to 6,501 refugees.

    For those who are keeping score, the remarkable thing is how successfully Japan has escaped international censure. Not to put too fine a point on it, Japan is the Teflon nation of global diplomacy. Nothing seems to stick. No matter how disappointingly it falls short of international expectations, it is rarely held to account."

    The difference twixt Japan and Australia shows how NW European altruism (admittedly pushed and reinforced by some people) compares with Japanese. Now it could be that when the Western World is a fractured set of Brazils, ruled by an immensely wealthy transnational elite, that the Eye of Soros will turn on the Far East. But by that time the Far East may have all the technology.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Jefferson, @Anonymous, @Brutusale

    Fingleton argues that it’s simply due to a coordinated campaign by the Japanese leadership, but I think he gives them too much credit. The reality is that they, along with the other East Asian countries, are much more removed from Western elites than the European countries are, and most people are largely oblivious to what the West thinks, and what the West thinks of them.

    If you ever travel to the East Asian countries, you’ll notice that that you might as well be on another planet. Everybody there, including educated elites, are generally terrible at English, and they speak languages that are very different from English. As a result, they’re less able to follow the latest trends, except very superficial ones, let alone understand them. What does get through is usually lost in translation. Whereas in Europe, even many ordinary people speak English quite well, and all educated elites are very proficient in it. Furthermore, Europeans generally follow and are aware of the latest intellectual, cultural, and political trends developed by Western elites. They’re in a shared media and cultural environment.

    In East Asia, most ordinary people and elites generally are happily oblivious to what the West thinks, what the West thinks of them, and what the West thinks that they should think.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    In East Asia, most ordinary people and elites generally are happily oblivious to what the West thinks, what the West thinks of them, and what the West thinks that they should think.

    (((The West)))

  105. @SFG
    @IBC

    Different kinds of white people don't count as 'diversity'.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Different kinds of white people don’t count as ‘diversity’.”

    I have brown eyes and my sister has green eyes. You would think that would count as diversity, but according to the Left Wing megaphone it still does not count as diversity because me and my sister are White.

    I notice that the Left Wing megaphone’s definition of diversity does not include diversity of different eye colors.

  106. @Vinay
    I must say I don't understand the comment moderating system. I see comments get posted while mine is awaiting moderation -- perhaps they were submitted earlier. But then I see responses to those comments get posted while mine is still awaiting moderation.

    So if comments aren't moderated in order, how *are* they moderated?

    Replies: @Anonym

    How are comments moderated? Extremely well.

  107. @ben tillman
    @Ivy


    David Brooks of the New York Times may face a family dilemma.

    He supports US acceptance of “Syrian” refugees.

    Meanwhile, his son in the IDF could be on guard duty shooting at real Syrians trying to get refuge in Israel. That could make for awkward Thanksgiving Dinner conversation.
     
    How? The two policies work hand in glove.

    Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax

    I picture them both sitting at the dinner table, the manischewitz flowing, TV on CNN International, and both Brooks and his son laughing maniacally.


  108. A helpful graphic from UK Daily Mail with September 11th 2015 provenance. Title is “Migrant routes through the continent”

  109. @Vinay
    Here's a snippet from the Guardian which explains why poor little Hungary is susceptible to those mean German bullies.

    "The German decision to erect border controls may frighten the east Europeans into concessions, given that Schengen membership is one of the most highly prized aspects of EU membership for the former Soviet bloc countries, whose travel rights were severely restricted until 1989."

    It appears third-world migrants are not the only ones who feel entitled to just wander into Germany whenever they feel like it.

    Replies: @Nador

    Of course The Guardian does not make any sense. Even if border controls are restored, citizens of EU member states can cross the border. All you need to do is show your ID-s. It is only a minor inconvenience.

  110. @Bill P
    Interestingly, Denmark is taking the harshest stance of all, and there's hardly a peep out of the media about that. The Danes have shut down their border with Germany, stopped train and ferry service and erected roadblocks.

    The EE countries are easier to push around, it seems. Or at least that's what the EU bureaucrats think.

    I keep asking myself what on earth is wrong with the Germans. Do they just get off on invasion or something? What they are doing here would have been grounds for war just a couple decades ago. I think it still is. Angela Merkel is a puppet and a fool.

    Replies: @Bill, @Anonymous

    Self-destructive immigration policy is a case for war? But not imposing mulit-culturalism on other countries, like the State Department does?

    But anyway, we’re dealing with Germans here, so let’s firebomb Dresden again.

  111. @Svigor

    Different kinds of white people don’t count as ‘diversity’.
     
    Which is prime for mocking. Blacks, with all the same color hair and eyes, same texture hair, quite similar skin coloring...diverse. Yellows, with all the same color hair and eyes, same texture hair, quite similar skin coloring...diverse. Whites, by far the Earth's most varied race in terms of hair and eye color, hair texture, with quite varied coloring...definition of non-diversity.

    China, 1.x billion Han with very homogenous culture by European standards = diverse. Europe, however many crazy quilt cultures and ethnic groups, bewildering array of languages...oh just samey-same.

    Sub-Saharan Africa has produced very little in the way of intellectual output, probably less than any three European nations (maybe even if you count the micro-states), but, Africans=diverse and Europeans=boring bland whitebread goyim.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Which is prime for mocking. Blacks, with all the same color hair and eyes, same texture hair, quite similar skin coloring…diverse. Yellows, with all the same color hair and eyes, same texture hair, quite similar skin coloring…diverse. Whites, by far the Earth’s most varied race in terms of hair and eye color, hair texture, with quite varied coloring…definition of non-diversity.

    China, 1.x billion Han with very homogenous culture by European standards = diverse. Europe, however many crazy quilt cultures and ethnic groups, bewildering array of languages…oh just samey-same.

    Sub-Saharan Africa has produced very little in the way of intellectual output, probably less than any three European nations (maybe even if you count the micro-states), but, Africans=diverse and Europeans=boring bland whitebread goyim.”

    In America, diversity is defined by how Black a place is. By the Left Wing megaphone’s logic, Detroit is a lot more racially diverse than Sacramento. Baltimore is a lot more racially diverse than San Francisco. Memphis is a lot more racially diverse than San Diego. Birmingham is a lot more racially diverse than San Jose.

  112. @Anonymous Nephew
    @Bill P

    Great idea. Svalbard is gloomy, cold and you'd need to be really in fear of your life to want to go there. Also a large polar bear population - they killed an Eton schoolboy on a field trip last year (the schoolboys not the bears).

    Merkel's original open-border policy followed by border closures was described by one Guardian commenter as the equivalent of advertising a teenage house party on Facebook, then calling the police when 500 people turn up and trash the place.

    Another pointed out that in the 1940s Germany flooded an unwilling Europe with millions of military-age young men, and is now doing it all over again.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    There’s never a comparison too far fetched to conjure the eternal Nazi.

  113. @Jefferson
    @Anonymous Nephew

    "Now it could be that when the Western World is a fractured set of Brazils, ruled by an immensely wealthy transnational elite, that the Eye of Soros will turn on the Far East. But by that time the Far East may have all the technology."

    George Soros is old enough to be Hillary Clinton's father. He will not be alive to see Western Europe become majority Muslim.

    Replies: @anowow

    Soros will be the first Titan to have his brain put in a preservation canister, then it’s 1000 years of cymek rule until Omnius takes over. The horrors of machine rule have been described in works of literature, but there is one detail that has been left out. The mass killings, planet destructions and enslavement are all very bad, but consider this, Omnius, the future ruler of the human universe, runs on an Android operating system.

  114. @Anonymous
    Poland certainly has plenty of room for these migrants because many thousands of Poles have taken full advantage of EU free movement benefit and moved to more advanced countries like England, where they have more employment opportunities and enjoy a vastly higher standard of living than back home.

    You can't take advantage of EU benefits while simultaneously rejecting its obligations.

    As the son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland where many of my extended family perished in the Holocaust, I am saddened, but not shocked, by the xenophobia in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe where many other Jews emigrated in the last century. Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions by accepting other migrants fleeing wars and religious oppression. The petty tribalism of human nature has no place in the 21st century either in Europe or especially here in the United States where all, except the dwindling number of Native Americans, are recent immigrants.

    Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca, @Undocumented Shopper, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Ed

    Okay, then let’s send a few hundred thousand Syrians to Israel.

  115. @Anonymous
    Poland certainly has plenty of room for these migrants because many thousands of Poles have taken full advantage of EU free movement benefit and moved to more advanced countries like England, where they have more employment opportunities and enjoy a vastly higher standard of living than back home.

    You can't take advantage of EU benefits while simultaneously rejecting its obligations.

    As the son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland where many of my extended family perished in the Holocaust, I am saddened, but not shocked, by the xenophobia in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe where many other Jews emigrated in the last century. Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions by accepting other migrants fleeing wars and religious oppression. The petty tribalism of human nature has no place in the 21st century either in Europe or especially here in the United States where all, except the dwindling number of Native Americans, are recent immigrants.

    Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca, @Undocumented Shopper, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Ed

    “You can’t take advantage of EU benefits while simultaneously rejecting its obligations.”

    What obligations??? Under the terms that were negotiated when being admitted into EU, there is no obligation and nothing to reject.

    What is happening is that the likes of you want to unilaterally modify a contract after it was signed.

    “Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions”

    At one point, majority of World’s Jews lived within the borders of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, even though they were free to go elsewhere. Poles fulfilled their diversity requirement a long time ago, but you need to make amends for your ingratitude.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Undocumented Shopper


    What is happening is that the likes of you want to unilaterally modify a contract after it was signed.
     
    Well, you can't blame him. As the saddened-but-not-shocked son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland why shouldn't he try? If you were the saddened-but-not-shocked son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland you'd probably use your sob stories to try to rewrite the rules to favor your own interests too. But you're not the saddened-but-not-shocked son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland so any sob stories you might have don't carry the same weight.
  116. @Glossy
    Steve, do you read the other Unz Review contributors? Peter Frost has been saying for years that South Korea has already been broken on the wheel of diversity.

    And let me guess, you're still glad that the neocons won the Cold War. They convinced you that it was YOUR victory, that it was guys like you who stuck it to Russians that time, just like they convinced Fox News watchers that all these Middle Eastern wars are being fought for THEIR benefit, not the neocons' benefit. And that warm feeling of having stuck it to Russians in 1991 is more important to you than the preservation of the ancient peoples of eastern Europe, all of which will be assimilated into non-existance in the next few decades because the strongest one of them, the Russians, lost the first Cold War.

    Tou can't be for the cause but against the consequences.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @vinteuil, @Bolshevitz, @Bolshevitz, @HA

    Glossy, the Cold War wasn’t an exclusively neocon affair; the entire population, save the lunatic far left fringe, had an interest in seeing communism defeated. America and Europe did emerge victorious from that conflict: they prospered while the Soviet Union folded under the weight of its extreme economic idiocy. Nothing that has afflicted the US or Europe since can ever hope to alter that immutable fact of reality – but I can understand why the severe butthurt of economic equalitarian fruitloops causes them to want to rewrite history all the same.

  117. Germany threw in the towel, search on Schengen for details.

  118. A lot of the upper class GOP RINO pro-open borders/pro-amnesty establishment say that Donald Trump is a clown. If he is a clown, what does that they say about how extremely weak of a presidential candidate their chosen errand boy Jeb Bush is that he is getting his ass kicked in the polls by a clown.

    If I was the part of the Republican establishment, I would be extremely frustrated and embarrassed over putting all of our chips on such a weak pathetic candidate like Jeb Bush who has seriously performed below expectations.

    Jeb Bush is the Kimbo Slice of American politics. I remember Dana White was hyping Kimbo Slice as potentially becoming the biggest star in the history of UFC because he was filmed beating up in a guy in a bar. But when the Negro Kimbo Slice debuted in the Octagon he got his ass kicked by a no name lower card SWPL hipster looking White guy. Kimbo did not live up to the hype.

    Just because was he tough enough to be beat up a guy in a bar, it does not mean Kimbo Slice is tough enough to beat up professionally trained MMA fighters who have experience in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Jefferson

    But "Kimbo Slice" is a great name.

  119. @Big Bill

    But that’s not the point, the point is to use the Muslim influx to crush resistance in Eastern Europe.
     
    The Osties should have known it will never be enough. When the emissaries came after the USSR broke up they told the Osties, "just apologize for the Holocaust and it will be enough". Then, "just refurbish an old synagogue and it will be enough." Then, "just build a Holocaust museum". Then, "just add the Holocaust to your children's school curricula". Then ... then ... then ... .

    Until they are utterly guilt-ridden, oppressed minorities in their own land, and (preferably) extinct as a nation and a people , it will never be "enough".

    Israelis fight the same battles against the same forces of evil.

    In Israel, however, the Evil Ones say, "how can we as Jews, victims of the Holocaust, deny refuge to anyone fleeing tyranny and oppression?" Fortunately for the Israelis, race-guilt just doesn't get the same moral traction. They have looked genocide in the face and say to the Evil Ones, "Never Again".

    The Osties are learning from the Israeli example.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Bies Podkrakowski

    Israelis fight the same battles against the same forces of evil.

    The very same Jewish organizations that work day and night to promote the interests of Israel stand foursquare in favor of Europe accepting endless numbers of Islamic “refugees.” They are not fighting the same “forces of evil” at all.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @silviosilver

    Netenyahu has said it's a bad idea for Israel to accept refugees. He's made no statement that Europe should take in refugees. I don't see how it's in Israel's interest for Muslims to go to Europe. Sure they may scare some Jews back to Israel but not many would go. Also more Muslim means more votes for the anti-Israel Left.

    Jews are a minority, even if they as a group are more liberal than average, there is nothing preventing the majority from dictating the immigration policy they want. Blaming Jews for this is just tiresome and intellectually dishonest.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @anon

  120. @Anonymous
    Poland certainly has plenty of room for these migrants because many thousands of Poles have taken full advantage of EU free movement benefit and moved to more advanced countries like England, where they have more employment opportunities and enjoy a vastly higher standard of living than back home.

    You can't take advantage of EU benefits while simultaneously rejecting its obligations.

    As the son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland where many of my extended family perished in the Holocaust, I am saddened, but not shocked, by the xenophobia in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe where many other Jews emigrated in the last century. Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions by accepting other migrants fleeing wars and religious oppression. The petty tribalism of human nature has no place in the 21st century either in Europe or especially here in the United States where all, except the dwindling number of Native Americans, are recent immigrants.

    Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca, @Undocumented Shopper, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Ed

    Ethnically cleansed societies understand that diversity means trouble and conflict. Having been ethnically cleansed and having suffered through XX century we want to stay as mono-cultural as possible. After being laboratory for insane social and political movements through XX century it feels good to learn from self-inflicted troubles of other nations. And no, Jews rather won’t get more money from us.

  121. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Fingleton argues that it's simply due to a coordinated campaign by the Japanese leadership, but I think he gives them too much credit. The reality is that they, along with the other East Asian countries, are much more removed from Western elites than the European countries are, and most people are largely oblivious to what the West thinks, and what the West thinks of them.

    If you ever travel to the East Asian countries, you'll notice that that you might as well be on another planet. Everybody there, including educated elites, are generally terrible at English, and they speak languages that are very different from English. As a result, they're less able to follow the latest trends, except very superficial ones, let alone understand them. What does get through is usually lost in translation. Whereas in Europe, even many ordinary people speak English quite well, and all educated elites are very proficient in it. Furthermore, Europeans generally follow and are aware of the latest intellectual, cultural, and political trends developed by Western elites. They're in a shared media and cultural environment.

    In East Asia, most ordinary people and elites generally are happily oblivious to what the West thinks, what the West thinks of them, and what the West thinks that they should think.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    In East Asia, most ordinary people and elites generally are happily oblivious to what the West thinks, what the West thinks of them, and what the West thinks that they should think.

    (((The West)))

  122. @Lot
    Third Worldism is a new secular religion, it involves the gathering of the likeminded, hugging, and lighting candles. Refugees welcome marches across Europe:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2015/sep/13/solidarity-with-refugees-march-in-pictures

    Jeremy Corbyn, now the leader of the Labour Party, favors destruction of UK nuclear weapons and ending its submarine program, withdrawal from NATO, a boycott of Israel, and ending the supposed abusive monitoring of Muslims in the UK.

    To Jeremy Corbyn, the 66-year-old hard Left MP for Islington North, the biggest problem with immigration is that Britain does not have enough of it.

    Out of touch with mainstream opinion, he denounces every attempt, no matter how limited, to get a grip on the border crisis.

    In an interview with his supporter Salma Yaqoob, the radical Respect party’s former leader who once described the London July bombings of 2005 as “a reprisal event” for British aggression in the Middle East, Corbyn wailed about “Islamophobia” and declared that what Britain needs is “an increase in levels of multi-culturalism.”

    Well, quite a few voters could give him a list, which would include home grown terrorism, Sharia law, institutionalised misogyny, gangland violence, social divisions, ballot box fraud and soaring welfare bills.

    An MP since 1983, Corbyn has always been a fanatic for multi-culturalism.

    For a decade from 1985, I served alongside him in the Islington North Labour Party as Assistant Secretary, and I will never forget how he used to bang on about the supposed horrors of tight immigration controls which, in his fantastic view, were creating a kind of “Fortress Europe.”


    In his mindset, any opposition is mass immigration is nothing more bigotry, a belief that led him recently to claim that Ukip voters are “motivated to some extent by racism.”

    Suffused with self-righteous fervour, he peddles the pseudoacademic term “xeno-racism” to describe the prejudice “directed at any impoverished strangers.”

    This prejudice, he claims, includes restrictions on benefits and legal support for asylum seekers, as well as the use of the terms “illegal” or “economic migrants.”

    Indeed, Corbyn has been furious in condemning attempts to limit immigration.

    Recently, he described the coalition’s introduction of a new income threshold for family visas as “cruel on children”, “contrary to the principles of the Human Rights conventions” and “really not necessary.”
     
    http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/600949/Immigration-Jeremy-Corbyn-Leo-McKinstry

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Jeremy Corbyn, now the leader of the Labour Party, favors destruction of UK nuclear weapons and ending its submarine program, withdrawal from NATO, a boycott of Israel, and ending the supposed abusive monitoring of Muslims in the UK.

    So he’s not all bad news then.

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    @silviosilver

    Yeah, guess which part of his policy won't succeed....

  123. @Anonymous
    Poland certainly has plenty of room for these migrants because many thousands of Poles have taken full advantage of EU free movement benefit and moved to more advanced countries like England, where they have more employment opportunities and enjoy a vastly higher standard of living than back home.

    You can't take advantage of EU benefits while simultaneously rejecting its obligations.

    As the son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland where many of my extended family perished in the Holocaust, I am saddened, but not shocked, by the xenophobia in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe where many other Jews emigrated in the last century. Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions by accepting other migrants fleeing wars and religious oppression. The petty tribalism of human nature has no place in the 21st century either in Europe or especially here in the United States where all, except the dwindling number of Native Americans, are recent immigrants.

    Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca, @Undocumented Shopper, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Ed

    Two Poles are neighbors. One moves to UK. Your message to the other one is “You have to replace your neighbor with a non-Pole because the UK did not deport your neighbor.”

    In addition to be a fat non-sequitur, we have to ask… who exactly is engaged in petty tribalism?

  124. I really think you’re making too much of all this, Sailer. The 1000 years of darkness will be over before you know it.

  125. iSteveFan says:

    I recall some comment threads last year about the Ukrainians wanting to join the EU against Russia’s wishes. Some commenters were warning that joining the EU would set up the Ukrainians for mass third world immigration. I wonder if anyone in Kiev is thinking about his now, and if so, does it put the kibosh on wanting to join the EU?

  126. @riches
    @Simon in London

    Nor is New York media alone.

    Last January 15th, a fellow commenter of Simon in London quoted England's Financial Times bemoaning: "Warsaw('s) ... lack of diversity on the streets."

    Needless to write, this was well before any refugee crisis. So there's clearly another agenda in the works.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    The new transnational elite likes to be able to choose from many cuisines for dinner no matter which city they’re in.

    Also, they prefer to see a transnational underclass from the windows of their taxis as they’re being shuttled between their hotel and their restaurant of choice.

    The first preference is just modern infantalization writ large–“I’m in Warsaw but I want really, really good humus, and I can’t wait for the next time I’m in the middle east. I want it now!”

    The second one is because an ethnically homogenous population gives the suggestion that the elites are just visiting. Who wants to feel like a visitor on their own property?

  127. @Undocumented Shopper
    @Anonymous

    "You can’t take advantage of EU benefits while simultaneously rejecting its obligations."

    What obligations??? Under the terms that were negotiated when being admitted into EU, there is no obligation and nothing to reject.

    What is happening is that the likes of you want to unilaterally modify a contract after it was signed.

    "Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions"

    At one point, majority of World's Jews lived within the borders of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, even though they were free to go elsewhere. Poles fulfilled their diversity requirement a long time ago, but you need to make amends for your ingratitude.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    What is happening is that the likes of you want to unilaterally modify a contract after it was signed.

    Well, you can’t blame him. As the saddened-but-not-shocked son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland why shouldn’t he try? If you were the saddened-but-not-shocked son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland you’d probably use your sob stories to try to rewrite the rules to favor your own interests too. But you’re not the saddened-but-not-shocked son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland so any sob stories you might have don’t carry the same weight.

  128. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "Unlike countries in Western Europe, which have long histories of accepting immigrants from diverse cultures, the former Communist states tend to be highly homogeneous. Poland, for instance, is 98 percent white and 94 percent Catholic."

    Hold it, hold it. 'Long histories of accepting immigrants from diverse cultures?' Uh, as recently as up to 1970, France, UK, Italy, and most Western European nations populations were well over 90 percent white. As recently as up to 1990, Germany's population was well over 90 percent white.

    So this 'long histories of accepting immigrants' is pure baloney. The West was, up to a few decades ago, quite homogenous and mostly white, almost as white as Japan was/and still remains Japanese.

    Perhaps the writer is counting historical invasions (e.g. From Roman times, Dark Ages, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Normans, etc) which while technically true that the invading cultures were diverse, they tended to be all white.

    But honestly. Up to a few decades ago most Western European nations were well over 90-95 percent white as Eastern European nations still remain.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    For the new leftists, history, as well as culture, morality, and everything else, starts with them, so long time=a couple decades.

  129. @silviosilver
    @Big Bill


    Israelis fight the same battles against the same forces of evil.
     
    The very same Jewish organizations that work day and night to promote the interests of Israel stand foursquare in favor of Europe accepting endless numbers of Islamic "refugees." They are not fighting the same "forces of evil" at all.

    Replies: @Ed

    Netenyahu has said it’s a bad idea for Israel to accept refugees. He’s made no statement that Europe should take in refugees. I don’t see how it’s in Israel’s interest for Muslims to go to Europe. Sure they may scare some Jews back to Israel but not many would go. Also more Muslim means more votes for the anti-Israel Left.

    Jews are a minority, even if they as a group are more liberal than average, there is nothing preventing the majority from dictating the immigration policy they want. Blaming Jews for this is just tiresome and intellectually dishonest.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Ed

    You need to read more carefully. I never said Netanyahu made such a statement. I said that Jewish organizations demand Europe accept refugees while either defending Israel's rejection of refugees or remaining silent on the issue. I'll leave it up to them to explain their rationale.

    , @anon
    @Ed

    Diaspora Jews in the media are at the forefront of preaching open borders and turning every white nation into a minority in what used to be their home.

    It is becoming so blatant that denying it sounds like yet more bad faith.

    Pointing out that those same people *don't* demand the same of Israel is perfectly reasonable as it proves they are lying about their motivations. Their true motivation is ethnic activism based on the belief that Jews will be safer if the majority population are turned into a minority.

    Fine - they can say that *openly* if they like but white people should be aware of the false bill of goods those thousands of media pundits are selling so they can discount it e.g.

    topic = immigration and author = Jewish -> ignore

    topic = peanuts and author = Jewish -> don't ignore

    simple

    Replies: @oh its just me, @Whiskey

  130. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @CJ
    @International Jew

    Eastern Europe does have experience with diversity–lots of it.

    To say the least - linguistic, ethnic, and religious. Plus experience trying to give those linguistic/ethnic/religious groups autonomy within a larger ethnostate. And lots of experience with refugees too, especially after the occupying armies of large imperial states moved back and forth across their territory.

    I was going to make a list: ethnic Germans in a dozen countries, ditto for Jews and Russians, Czechs and Slovaks in one country after the Germans were expelled, Magyars in Romania/Romanians in Hungary, Ukrainians in Poland/Poles in Ukraine, gypsies almost everywhere, the Bosnian catastrophe ... sorry don't have time for an encyclopedia entry.

    Yes, they just need to learn about diversity LOL.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    gypsies almost everywhere

    It is racist to use the term “gypsies”.

    The more politically correct term is “worthless, thieving Roma”

  131. @Glossy
    Steve, do you read the other Unz Review contributors? Peter Frost has been saying for years that South Korea has already been broken on the wheel of diversity.

    And let me guess, you're still glad that the neocons won the Cold War. They convinced you that it was YOUR victory, that it was guys like you who stuck it to Russians that time, just like they convinced Fox News watchers that all these Middle Eastern wars are being fought for THEIR benefit, not the neocons' benefit. And that warm feeling of having stuck it to Russians in 1991 is more important to you than the preservation of the ancient peoples of eastern Europe, all of which will be assimilated into non-existance in the next few decades because the strongest one of them, the Russians, lost the first Cold War.

    Tou can't be for the cause but against the consequences.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @vinteuil, @Bolshevitz, @Bolshevitz, @HA

    Glossy, I am deeply touched by your concern for “the preservation of the ancient peoples of eastern Europe, all of which will be assimilated into non-existence in the next few decades because the strongest one of them, the Russians, lost the first Cold War.”

    I, too, care very much about the preservation of these ancient peoples. As it happens, I have spent many weeks in the last few years travelling around Central & Eastern Europe: the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary…most recently, Lithuania, Latvia & Estonia.

    Unfortunately, for some reason , none of the native people in these places seem to understand how much they gained from Soviet rule, and how much they lost when it collapsed.

    They are always going on & on about minor details like what they call the “mass deportations” of ethnic Lithuanians, Latvians & Estonians & their supposed replacement by ethnic Russians – not to mention the purely defensive interventions in Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968!

    I mean, what can you do? At this point, I’m simply at a loss. I just don’t know what we can say to such people to prove to them that the preservation of their people was a central value of the CCCP, and remains a central value of the Russian Federation today.

  132. @Ed
    @silviosilver

    Netenyahu has said it's a bad idea for Israel to accept refugees. He's made no statement that Europe should take in refugees. I don't see how it's in Israel's interest for Muslims to go to Europe. Sure they may scare some Jews back to Israel but not many would go. Also more Muslim means more votes for the anti-Israel Left.

    Jews are a minority, even if they as a group are more liberal than average, there is nothing preventing the majority from dictating the immigration policy they want. Blaming Jews for this is just tiresome and intellectually dishonest.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @anon

    You need to read more carefully. I never said Netanyahu made such a statement. I said that Jewish organizations demand Europe accept refugees while either defending Israel’s rejection of refugees or remaining silent on the issue. I’ll leave it up to them to explain their rationale.

  133. anon • Disclaimer says:

    If you are Japan, China, South Korea, or Taiwan, pay attention to what’s going on. You may think you are insulated, but, if, say, Hungary can be broken on the Wheel of Diversity, your time may come, too.

    People disputing this need to bear in mind there’s two strands: 1) illegal immigration for cheap labor and 2) mass legal immigration policies inspired by the multicult.

    It’s true that East Asia is currently only in the early stages of multicult infiltration i.e. foreign infiltration of the financial, media and academic sectors leading eventually to foreign domination of the political process but they still need to beware of natives within their own business sector operating out of simple greed.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @anon

    But do keep in mind that Japan doesn't strictly ascribe to Adam Smith's free market principles. They don't particularly like Koreans in their nation so what gives anyone the idea that they'd be just peachy with thousands of Kenyans just suddenly up and willy nilly deciding to migrate to Tokyo? Why? What for? And who invited them to come cross the Pacific/Indian Ocean in the first place?

    Generally speaking, Japan's academic sectors are mostly comprised of well, Japanese, and those that are loyal to their nation. Why should they want to see their country thrown up to foreigners? Businesses have for the longest time kept their markets closed to the West on many fronts, preferring instead to protect their native workers own jobs. There's a lesson to be learned and perhaps goes a long way toward explaining why Japan has low unemployment among its native workers (hint: cause its jobs are staffed by native born Japanese and not by foreigners).

    Natives within their own business/academic/popular culture sectors selling them out is more of a Western culture attitude and not very Japanese. The attitude that "hey guys! Let's stop hiring our own workers and import tens of thousands of Brazilians, Nigerians, etc and let them take our own people's jobs away from us. That's the true ticket to genuine economic prosperity" that won't fly over there. And it doesn't.
    After all, if Japan isn't too keen on importing tons of Koreans into their midst then what gives anyone the idea that they'd be just fine with tons of...take your pick from around the world?

    Close to 98% of Japan is racially/ethnically Japanese, and it is their country after all. If that's how they want to keep it, then that's what they're going to continue to do.

    Replies: @anon

  134. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472
    Merkel, Juncker and Hollande don't seem to understand how close to falling apart the EU actually is and the Eurozone doesn't have the capacity to deal with a flood of immigrants. The Eurozone is a region where the official unemployment rate is over 11%! Where GDP growth of 1% is considered above average! Where the contingent liabilities of Greece alone are approaching 500 billion Euros and there is no Greek government that can honor those obligations.

    The only politically viable appeal for European solidarity is to defend the continent from this invasion yet Merkel , Juncker and Hollande are blind to this reality. Rather than Merkel scrape together six or seven billion euros per year to resettle these invaders in Germany she needs to offer that money to Greece and Italy to manage the hordes that have entered. Britain, France, Sweden and the rest of the destination countries should contribute as well. This would accomplish three important objectives. Economic assistance to Italy and Greece to build, operate and manage migrant internment camps. Prevent the chaotic flow of migrants all over Europe without any screening or processing and, finally, dissuade others from coming once they understand they will be kept in remote camps for as long as it takes to process them and determine their status. If that takes 5 years it takes 5 years. There are plenty of young unemployed Greek and Italian men who can be given truncheons, pepper spray and tasers to keep order!

    Replies: @anon

    Merkel, Juncker and Hollande don’t seem to understand how close to falling apart the EU actually is and the Eurozone doesn’t have the capacity to deal with a flood of immigrants. The Eurozone is a region where the official unemployment rate is over 11%! Where GDP growth of 1% is considered above average!

    I think that’s why they’re doing it.

    The EU political elite want to abolish all the European nations and they have been successfully boiling the frog for decades however the crumbling economy is fueling nationalist and anti-EU sentiment. I think they decided they were going to lose unless they move much faster so they had to go all-out.

    So it’s a race now – can they flood Europe with new colonists faster than the natives react.

  135. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed
    @silviosilver

    Netenyahu has said it's a bad idea for Israel to accept refugees. He's made no statement that Europe should take in refugees. I don't see how it's in Israel's interest for Muslims to go to Europe. Sure they may scare some Jews back to Israel but not many would go. Also more Muslim means more votes for the anti-Israel Left.

    Jews are a minority, even if they as a group are more liberal than average, there is nothing preventing the majority from dictating the immigration policy they want. Blaming Jews for this is just tiresome and intellectually dishonest.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @anon

    Diaspora Jews in the media are at the forefront of preaching open borders and turning every white nation into a minority in what used to be their home.

    It is becoming so blatant that denying it sounds like yet more bad faith.

    Pointing out that those same people *don’t* demand the same of Israel is perfectly reasonable as it proves they are lying about their motivations. Their true motivation is ethnic activism based on the belief that Jews will be safer if the majority population are turned into a minority.

    Fine – they can say that *openly* if they like but white people should be aware of the false bill of goods those thousands of media pundits are selling so they can discount it e.g.

    topic = immigration and author = Jewish -> ignore

    topic = peanuts and author = Jewish -> don’t ignore

    simple

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    @anon

    "topic = immigration and author = Jewish -> ignore

    topic = peanuts and author = Jewish -> don’t ignore"

    Paul Gottfried? Ron Unz? Nicholas Stix? ... and even Bernie Sanders - at least on mass immigration

    I agree with your post, I would just say that, obviously, your filter applies to MSM

    Replies: @anon, @ben tillman

    , @Whiskey
    @anon

    They say the same thing about Israel. That it should have open borders and accept Jewish minority status. So the walk the walk. Its jst that Bibi is PM not Tzvini Lzipi or whatever her name is.

    GoodWhites are found esecially in Israel. It is a higher iq disease.

    Or an will not be broken on the Wheel if diversity.

    He has a pal. Stronger than Frau Tingles Merkel. Rides horseback shirtless.

  136. @German_reader
    Polish-Jewish historian Jan T. Gross (now Princeton University) had an article in Welt online today:

    http://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/article146355392/Die-Osteuropaeer-haben-kein-Schamgefuehl.html

    In it he lauds Germany for having learned the "right lessons" from its Nazi past and for its "generosity" towards "refugees" and calls the Eastern Europeans cold-hearted cynics who have yet to face up to their "crimes" (especially those against Jews) during the 2nd world war.
    He also claims Poles killed more Jews than Germans during the 2nd world war (which seems pretty slanderous to me).
    Maybe this crisis will alert Eastern Europeans to the fact that Russia isn't the only or even the most serious threat to them...EU and transatlantic influence might be even more dangerous in the long run.

    Replies: @oh its just me

    “He also claims Poles killed more Jews than Germans during the 2nd world war (which seems pretty slanderous to me).”

    They did, he just forgets to mention they were NKVD who were murdering innocent poles for years before the Germans came. But Polish lives don’t matter to Mr. Gross, do they?

  137. @anon
    @Ed

    Diaspora Jews in the media are at the forefront of preaching open borders and turning every white nation into a minority in what used to be their home.

    It is becoming so blatant that denying it sounds like yet more bad faith.

    Pointing out that those same people *don't* demand the same of Israel is perfectly reasonable as it proves they are lying about their motivations. Their true motivation is ethnic activism based on the belief that Jews will be safer if the majority population are turned into a minority.

    Fine - they can say that *openly* if they like but white people should be aware of the false bill of goods those thousands of media pundits are selling so they can discount it e.g.

    topic = immigration and author = Jewish -> ignore

    topic = peanuts and author = Jewish -> don't ignore

    simple

    Replies: @oh its just me, @Whiskey

    “topic = immigration and author = Jewish -> ignore

    topic = peanuts and author = Jewish -> don’t ignore”

    Paul Gottfried? Ron Unz? Nicholas Stix? … and even Bernie Sanders – at least on mass immigration

    I agree with your post, I would just say that, obviously, your filter applies to MSM

    • Replies: @anon
    @oh its just me

    sure - always exceptions to every rule but currently the rule part is getting pretty overwhelming

    , @ben tillman
    @oh its just me


    “topic = immigration and author = Jewish -> ignore

    topic = peanuts and author = Jewish -> don’t ignore”

    Paul Gottfried? Ron Unz? Nicholas Stix? … and even Bernie Sanders – at least on mass immigration
     
    A few months ago, right in the comment section of this very blog, Ron Unz stated that he was responsible for stopping immigration restriction in the 1990's.
  138. @silviosilver
    @Lot


    Jeremy Corbyn, now the leader of the Labour Party, favors destruction of UK nuclear weapons and ending its submarine program, withdrawal from NATO, a boycott of Israel, and ending the supposed abusive monitoring of Muslims in the UK.
     
    So he's not all bad news then.

    Replies: @oh its just me

    Yeah, guess which part of his policy won’t succeed….

  139. @John Derbyshire
    @Wilkey


    And even Reuters – yes, Reuters – seemed to find irony in the fact that an Austrian leader was accusing some other country of acting like Nazis.
     
    Does everyone know why Austrians are the smartest people in the world?

    Because they have persuaded the rest of us that Beethoven was Austrian and Hitler was German.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @oh its just me, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    LOL, yep. I once heard almost those exact words from an actual German: “Germany gave Austria Mozart and Austria gave Germany Hitler.”

  140. @Mr. Anon
    @Wilkey

    "Germany didn’t just murder its way through Eastern Europe. It turned them into war zones for six years. It’s not only to blame for the sins of its own army, but it also enabled the sins of the Russian army when they fought their way back, including the murder and rape of millions of East Europeans; and for the 40 year occupation by Russia of Eastern Europe."

    The people who did that are dead and buried. Modern Germans have no culpabilitiy - zero - for any of that. Germans should stop taking guff for their past just as most of us wouldn't take any guff for slavery.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    “The people who did that are dead and buried. Modern Germans have no culpabilitiy – zero – for any of that. Germans should stop taking guff for their past just as most of us wouldn’t take any guff for slavery.”

    Cool. I agree. I just wish their descendants would stop feeling the need to atone for the sins of their ancestors by basically doing the same thing. Merkel needs to butt out of the immigration policies of other European countries, especially those of Eastern Europe. To atone for the sins of your Third Reich ancestors by ppressing the countries they oppressed is just batshit crazy.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Wilkey

    Besides your ridiculously infantile idea of what WW2 was, do you really think Germans were really enthusiastically campaigning to open the border. Merkel did this on the fly in a solitary decision with as good as zero consultation. And the poeople whose approval she was seeking was certainly not the ordinary Germans.

    But yeah, it's all a plot for world domination/a pathological urge for genetic guilt (no matter the complexities of what actually happended in WW2), because Germans are all genetic Nazis.

  141. @The most deplorable one
    @Wilkey


    If Britain chooses to leave, it could create an alternative to the EU – one that has more respect for national sovereignty.
     
    Really? And who would join with the current morally sick man of Europe to form this more perfect union?

    Replies: @Wilkey

    “Really? And who would join with the current morally sick man of Europe to form this more perfect union?”

    Britain has a fine economy, and historically excellent relations with the US (especially as compared to Germany). If you don’t think that would be a huge selling point then I can’t help you. If Britain leaves the EU then the EU is doomed.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Wilkey

    Britain has a debt-based pseudo economy.

  142. @Anonymous
    @Wilkey

    You're even aware that WW1 and WW2 were different wars, are you?
    And extra lol for now also blaming the Germans for the deeds of the Red Army. Even here it would be hard to find a more lopsided account of WW2.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    “And extra lol for now also blaming the Germans for the deeds of the Red Army. Even here it would be hard to find a more lopsided account of WW2.”

    If Germany hadn’t invaded the Soviet Union then Stalin wouldn’t have had an excuse for the Red Army to rape and murder its way across Eastern Europe to get to Germany, and he wouldn’t have had an excuse to occupy Eastern Europe for 45 years.

    Would he have done so anyway? Well we’ll never know, will we?

    • Replies: @oh its just me
    @Wilkey

    "If Germany hadn’t invaded the Soviet Union then Stalin wouldn’t have had an excuse for the Red Army to rape and murder its way across Eastern Europe"
    Gosh you're right the Bolsheviks didn't kill anyone until the big bad evil Nazis forced them to.
    But please tell me what part of the Soviet Union the germans invaded BEFORE the USSR invaded Poland....

    , @Anonymous
    @Wilkey

    Yes, because 1941 all of Eastern Europe led peaceful quite lives, especially in the USSR and Ukraine, right?

    Just assign war guilt to one side, especially one that is totally crushed and cannot in any way resist your imposed narrative, and every atrocity you or your allies did becomes their sole responsibility, while all others are excused. What kind of self-serving logic is this?

    Btw. by your logic every act of ISIS would be the sole responsibility of the US, because they destabilized Iraq and everything else followed from there.

  143. @John Derbyshire
    @Wilkey


    And even Reuters – yes, Reuters – seemed to find irony in the fact that an Austrian leader was accusing some other country of acting like Nazis.
     
    Does everyone know why Austrians are the smartest people in the world?

    Because they have persuaded the rest of us that Beethoven was Austrian and Hitler was German.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @oh its just me, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    If Hitler were born in India, would India be “guilty”?
    Is Kipling Indian?

  144. @oh its just me
    @anon

    "topic = immigration and author = Jewish -> ignore

    topic = peanuts and author = Jewish -> don’t ignore"

    Paul Gottfried? Ron Unz? Nicholas Stix? ... and even Bernie Sanders - at least on mass immigration

    I agree with your post, I would just say that, obviously, your filter applies to MSM

    Replies: @anon, @ben tillman

    sure – always exceptions to every rule but currently the rule part is getting pretty overwhelming

  145. @Wilkey
    @Anonymous

    "And extra lol for now also blaming the Germans for the deeds of the Red Army. Even here it would be hard to find a more lopsided account of WW2."

    If Germany hadn't invaded the Soviet Union then Stalin wouldn't have had an excuse for the Red Army to rape and murder its way across Eastern Europe to get to Germany, and he wouldn't have had an excuse to occupy Eastern Europe for 45 years.

    Would he have done so anyway? Well we'll never know, will we?

    Replies: @oh its just me, @Anonymous

    “If Germany hadn’t invaded the Soviet Union then Stalin wouldn’t have had an excuse for the Red Army to rape and murder its way across Eastern Europe”
    Gosh you’re right the Bolsheviks didn’t kill anyone until the big bad evil Nazis forced them to.
    But please tell me what part of the Soviet Union the germans invaded BEFORE the USSR invaded Poland….

  146. @Wilkey
    @The most deplorable one

    "Really? And who would join with the current morally sick man of Europe to form this more perfect union?"

    Britain has a fine economy, and historically excellent relations with the US (especially as compared to Germany). If you don't think that would be a huge selling point then I can't help you. If Britain leaves the EU then the EU is doomed.

    Replies: @anon

    Britain has a debt-based pseudo economy.

  147. @Glossy
    Steve, do you read the other Unz Review contributors? Peter Frost has been saying for years that South Korea has already been broken on the wheel of diversity.

    And let me guess, you're still glad that the neocons won the Cold War. They convinced you that it was YOUR victory, that it was guys like you who stuck it to Russians that time, just like they convinced Fox News watchers that all these Middle Eastern wars are being fought for THEIR benefit, not the neocons' benefit. And that warm feeling of having stuck it to Russians in 1991 is more important to you than the preservation of the ancient peoples of eastern Europe, all of which will be assimilated into non-existance in the next few decades because the strongest one of them, the Russians, lost the first Cold War.

    Tou can't be for the cause but against the consequences.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @vinteuil, @Bolshevitz, @Bolshevitz, @HA

    Not every victory is complete, in fact, it’s rare after a decades-long conflict. Anyway the collapse of the imperialist USSR was a nice change to many in Russia also… Only tweed-jacketed unemployable commies in the West were really crying over it.

  148. @Glossy
    Steve, do you read the other Unz Review contributors? Peter Frost has been saying for years that South Korea has already been broken on the wheel of diversity.

    And let me guess, you're still glad that the neocons won the Cold War. They convinced you that it was YOUR victory, that it was guys like you who stuck it to Russians that time, just like they convinced Fox News watchers that all these Middle Eastern wars are being fought for THEIR benefit, not the neocons' benefit. And that warm feeling of having stuck it to Russians in 1991 is more important to you than the preservation of the ancient peoples of eastern Europe, all of which will be assimilated into non-existance in the next few decades because the strongest one of them, the Russians, lost the first Cold War.

    Tou can't be for the cause but against the consequences.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @vinteuil, @Bolshevitz, @Bolshevitz, @HA

    And if you’re looking for a hero Cuba is still free of neocons at the moment

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Bolshevitz

    "And if you’re looking for a hero Cuba is still free of neocons at the moment"

    Cuba has a higher percentage of Blacks than The United States. So it might be neocon free, but Cuba is not a Whitopia that can be classified as a Negro free society. I am sure he wants neocon free society that is White as sour cream.

    Have you ever seen how Black the Cuban female and male national volleyball teams are. Nobody would make mistake them for a volleyball team from Spain.

  149. @John Derbyshire
    @Wilkey


    And even Reuters – yes, Reuters – seemed to find irony in the fact that an Austrian leader was accusing some other country of acting like Nazis.
     
    Does everyone know why Austrians are the smartest people in the world?

    Because they have persuaded the rest of us that Beethoven was Austrian and Hitler was German.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @oh its just me, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    And that’s Greek to me.

  150. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Poland certainly has plenty of room for these migrants because many thousands of Poles have taken full advantage of EU free movement benefit and moved to more advanced countries like England, where they have more employment opportunities and enjoy a vastly higher standard of living than back home.

    You can't take advantage of EU benefits while simultaneously rejecting its obligations.

    As the son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland where many of my extended family perished in the Holocaust, I am saddened, but not shocked, by the xenophobia in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe where many other Jews emigrated in the last century. Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions by accepting other migrants fleeing wars and religious oppression. The petty tribalism of human nature has no place in the 21st century either in Europe or especially here in the United States where all, except the dwindling number of Native Americans, are recent immigrants.

    Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca, @Undocumented Shopper, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Ed

    “As the son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland where many of my extended family perished in the Holocaust, I am saddened, but not shocked, by the xenophobia in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe where many other Jews emigrated in the last century. Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions by accepting other migrants fleeing wars and religious oppression. The petty tribalism of human nature has no place in the 21st century either in Europe or especially here in the United States where all, except the dwindling number of Native Americans, are recent immigrants.”

    “Billy metz”, These exact words are from a comment posted by “Paul” regarding the article that Steve referenced and were selected as a NYT Pick. Are you Paul, or did you simply copy his words?

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Anonymous

    Troll. And even not honest, hard-working troll.

    , @Stubborn in Germany
    @Anonymous


    “Billy metz”, These exact words are from a comment posted by “Paul” regarding the article that Steve referenced and were selected as a NYT Pick. Are you Paul, or did you simply copy his words?
     
    Hmm, maybe "Billy Metz" is another Jew-hater who just wants to stir up some sh!t? The usual suspects here fell for the bait, of course.

    That the comment was made a NYT Pick is not surprising, given the NYT's pro-immivasion agenda. It would surprise me if it was also voted a "Reader Pick".
  151. @anon

    If you are Japan, China, South Korea, or Taiwan, pay attention to what’s going on. You may think you are insulated, but, if, say, Hungary can be broken on the Wheel of Diversity, your time may come, too.
     
    People disputing this need to bear in mind there's two strands: 1) illegal immigration for cheap labor and 2) mass legal immigration policies inspired by the multicult.

    It's true that East Asia is currently only in the early stages of multicult infiltration i.e. foreign infiltration of the financial, media and academic sectors leading eventually to foreign domination of the political process but they still need to beware of natives within their own business sector operating out of simple greed.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    But do keep in mind that Japan doesn’t strictly ascribe to Adam Smith’s free market principles. They don’t particularly like Koreans in their nation so what gives anyone the idea that they’d be just peachy with thousands of Kenyans just suddenly up and willy nilly deciding to migrate to Tokyo? Why? What for? And who invited them to come cross the Pacific/Indian Ocean in the first place?

    Generally speaking, Japan’s academic sectors are mostly comprised of well, Japanese, and those that are loyal to their nation. Why should they want to see their country thrown up to foreigners? Businesses have for the longest time kept their markets closed to the West on many fronts, preferring instead to protect their native workers own jobs. There’s a lesson to be learned and perhaps goes a long way toward explaining why Japan has low unemployment among its native workers (hint: cause its jobs are staffed by native born Japanese and not by foreigners).

    Natives within their own business/academic/popular culture sectors selling them out is more of a Western culture attitude and not very Japanese. The attitude that “hey guys! Let’s stop hiring our own workers and import tens of thousands of Brazilians, Nigerians, etc and let them take our own people’s jobs away from us. That’s the true ticket to genuine economic prosperity” that won’t fly over there. And it doesn’t.
    After all, if Japan isn’t too keen on importing tons of Koreans into their midst then what gives anyone the idea that they’d be just fine with tons of…take your pick from around the world?

    Close to 98% of Japan is racially/ethnically Japanese, and it is their country after all. If that’s how they want to keep it, then that’s what they’re going to continue to do.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The quote mentioned: Japan, China, Taiwan, South Korea.

    You may be right about Japan hence more stories in the media about Japanese reluctance.


    Natives within their own business/academic/popular culture sectors selling them out is more of a Western culture attitude
     
    After WWII maybe, not so much before then.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  152. @Glossy
    Steve, do you read the other Unz Review contributors? Peter Frost has been saying for years that South Korea has already been broken on the wheel of diversity.

    And let me guess, you're still glad that the neocons won the Cold War. They convinced you that it was YOUR victory, that it was guys like you who stuck it to Russians that time, just like they convinced Fox News watchers that all these Middle Eastern wars are being fought for THEIR benefit, not the neocons' benefit. And that warm feeling of having stuck it to Russians in 1991 is more important to you than the preservation of the ancient peoples of eastern Europe, all of which will be assimilated into non-existance in the next few decades because the strongest one of them, the Russians, lost the first Cold War.

    Tou can't be for the cause but against the consequences.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @vinteuil, @Bolshevitz, @Bolshevitz, @HA

    To silviosilver, vinteuil, Bolshevitz:

    FYI, Glossy is someone who is convinced that things in the USSR “were going great” until Gorbachev came along. So yeah, when it comes to “the preservation of the ancient peoples of eastern Europe”, that’s who you want setting the course.

    And if you still think you can let some light into a head that blinkered, consider yourself duly forewarned.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @HA

    thanks, HA, for the heads up.

  153. @anon
    @Ed

    Diaspora Jews in the media are at the forefront of preaching open borders and turning every white nation into a minority in what used to be their home.

    It is becoming so blatant that denying it sounds like yet more bad faith.

    Pointing out that those same people *don't* demand the same of Israel is perfectly reasonable as it proves they are lying about their motivations. Their true motivation is ethnic activism based on the belief that Jews will be safer if the majority population are turned into a minority.

    Fine - they can say that *openly* if they like but white people should be aware of the false bill of goods those thousands of media pundits are selling so they can discount it e.g.

    topic = immigration and author = Jewish -> ignore

    topic = peanuts and author = Jewish -> don't ignore

    simple

    Replies: @oh its just me, @Whiskey

    They say the same thing about Israel. That it should have open borders and accept Jewish minority status. So the walk the walk. Its jst that Bibi is PM not Tzvini Lzipi or whatever her name is.

    GoodWhites are found esecially in Israel. It is a higher iq disease.

    Or an will not be broken on the Wheel if diversity.

    He has a pal. Stronger than Frau Tingles Merkel. Rides horseback shirtless.

  154. @Anonymous
    Poland certainly has plenty of room for these migrants because many thousands of Poles have taken full advantage of EU free movement benefit and moved to more advanced countries like England, where they have more employment opportunities and enjoy a vastly higher standard of living than back home.

    You can't take advantage of EU benefits while simultaneously rejecting its obligations.

    As the son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland where many of my extended family perished in the Holocaust, I am saddened, but not shocked, by the xenophobia in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe where many other Jews emigrated in the last century. Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions by accepting other migrants fleeing wars and religious oppression. The petty tribalism of human nature has no place in the 21st century either in Europe or especially here in the United States where all, except the dwindling number of Native Americans, are recent immigrants.

    Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca, @Undocumented Shopper, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Ed

    And every line of this cut-and-pasted argument is misleading: the demographically increasing “Native” Americans are immigrants in a general sense as much as anyone else; being an immigrant doesn’t mean you are required to wreck what you have by allowing even more immigration; the Poles suffered plenty in WWII from their neighbors inflicting their values on them (Katyn forest and all that); they are wise to be suspicious of this latest invasion.

  155. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @anon

    But do keep in mind that Japan doesn't strictly ascribe to Adam Smith's free market principles. They don't particularly like Koreans in their nation so what gives anyone the idea that they'd be just peachy with thousands of Kenyans just suddenly up and willy nilly deciding to migrate to Tokyo? Why? What for? And who invited them to come cross the Pacific/Indian Ocean in the first place?

    Generally speaking, Japan's academic sectors are mostly comprised of well, Japanese, and those that are loyal to their nation. Why should they want to see their country thrown up to foreigners? Businesses have for the longest time kept their markets closed to the West on many fronts, preferring instead to protect their native workers own jobs. There's a lesson to be learned and perhaps goes a long way toward explaining why Japan has low unemployment among its native workers (hint: cause its jobs are staffed by native born Japanese and not by foreigners).

    Natives within their own business/academic/popular culture sectors selling them out is more of a Western culture attitude and not very Japanese. The attitude that "hey guys! Let's stop hiring our own workers and import tens of thousands of Brazilians, Nigerians, etc and let them take our own people's jobs away from us. That's the true ticket to genuine economic prosperity" that won't fly over there. And it doesn't.
    After all, if Japan isn't too keen on importing tons of Koreans into their midst then what gives anyone the idea that they'd be just fine with tons of...take your pick from around the world?

    Close to 98% of Japan is racially/ethnically Japanese, and it is their country after all. If that's how they want to keep it, then that's what they're going to continue to do.

    Replies: @anon

    The quote mentioned: Japan, China, Taiwan, South Korea.

    You may be right about Japan hence more stories in the media about Japanese reluctance.

    Natives within their own business/academic/popular culture sectors selling them out is more of a Western culture attitude

    After WWII maybe, not so much before then.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @anon

    Those "more stories in the media" have appeared like clockwork about a couple times of year for roughly about the last 20yrs. A la NPR's "All Things Considered" or 60 Minutes' Andy Rooney's "Ever notice" type of rants. It looks and sounds good to emote about the "bigger picture" of life, but really, nothing ever seems to change.

    The US doesn't have any direct control over Japan or most East Asian nations regarding their immigration policies. It isn't our business, period.

    Perhaps one reason Japan gets the Eye of Sauron turned on it every once a year is due to the fact that the US still has armed forces over there. All Japan would have to do is to very politely ask the US to leave a la "Thank you for helping us over the years with our defense but its okay now, we'll take it from here on out. We can handle it."

    Much like China. You don't really hear any stories in NYT about China's reluctance to take in more Africans/Middle Easterners. Perhaps because the US doesn't have any military bases stationed in mainland China.

    Regarding the touchy feely immigration narrative, it may boil down to out of sight out of mind. No direct US presence in their nation would tend to mean that Japan would be out of the Eye's sight.

  156. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    "As the son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland where many of my extended family perished in the Holocaust, I am saddened, but not shocked, by the xenophobia in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe where many other Jews emigrated in the last century. Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions by accepting other migrants fleeing wars and religious oppression. The petty tribalism of human nature has no place in the 21st century either in Europe or especially here in the United States where all, except the dwindling number of Native Americans, are recent immigrants."

    "Billy metz", These exact words are from a comment posted by "Paul" regarding the article that Steve referenced and were selected as a NYT Pick. Are you Paul, or did you simply copy his words?

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Stubborn in Germany

    Troll. And even not honest, hard-working troll.

  157. @Big Bill

    But that’s not the point, the point is to use the Muslim influx to crush resistance in Eastern Europe.
     
    The Osties should have known it will never be enough. When the emissaries came after the USSR broke up they told the Osties, "just apologize for the Holocaust and it will be enough". Then, "just refurbish an old synagogue and it will be enough." Then, "just build a Holocaust museum". Then, "just add the Holocaust to your children's school curricula". Then ... then ... then ... .

    Until they are utterly guilt-ridden, oppressed minorities in their own land, and (preferably) extinct as a nation and a people , it will never be "enough".

    Israelis fight the same battles against the same forces of evil.

    In Israel, however, the Evil Ones say, "how can we as Jews, victims of the Holocaust, deny refuge to anyone fleeing tyranny and oppression?" Fortunately for the Israelis, race-guilt just doesn't get the same moral traction. They have looked genocide in the face and say to the Evil Ones, "Never Again".

    The Osties are learning from the Israeli example.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Bies Podkrakowski

    I am rather envious of their big, beautiful border wall. I want the same for Christmas.

    Seriously: if you give Israel as an example it is still enough to make some proponents of illegal infiltrators (a great Israeli term) shut up. But I don’t know how long this tactics will remain effective.

  158. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    @Mr. Anon

    "The people who did that are dead and buried. Modern Germans have no culpabilitiy – zero – for any of that. Germans should stop taking guff for their past just as most of us wouldn’t take any guff for slavery."

    Cool. I agree. I just wish their descendants would stop feeling the need to atone for the sins of their ancestors by basically doing the same thing. Merkel needs to butt out of the immigration policies of other European countries, especially those of Eastern Europe. To atone for the sins of your Third Reich ancestors by ppressing the countries they oppressed is just batshit crazy.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Besides your ridiculously infantile idea of what WW2 was, do you really think Germans were really enthusiastically campaigning to open the border. Merkel did this on the fly in a solitary decision with as good as zero consultation. And the poeople whose approval she was seeking was certainly not the ordinary Germans.

    But yeah, it’s all a plot for world domination/a pathological urge for genetic guilt (no matter the complexities of what actually happended in WW2), because Germans are all genetic Nazis.

  159. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    @Anonymous

    "And extra lol for now also blaming the Germans for the deeds of the Red Army. Even here it would be hard to find a more lopsided account of WW2."

    If Germany hadn't invaded the Soviet Union then Stalin wouldn't have had an excuse for the Red Army to rape and murder its way across Eastern Europe to get to Germany, and he wouldn't have had an excuse to occupy Eastern Europe for 45 years.

    Would he have done so anyway? Well we'll never know, will we?

    Replies: @oh its just me, @Anonymous

    Yes, because 1941 all of Eastern Europe led peaceful quite lives, especially in the USSR and Ukraine, right?

    Just assign war guilt to one side, especially one that is totally crushed and cannot in any way resist your imposed narrative, and every atrocity you or your allies did becomes their sole responsibility, while all others are excused. What kind of self-serving logic is this?

    Btw. by your logic every act of ISIS would be the sole responsibility of the US, because they destabilized Iraq and everything else followed from there.

  160. @Jefferson
    A lot of the upper class GOP RINO pro-open borders/pro-amnesty establishment say that Donald Trump is a clown. If he is a clown, what does that they say about how extremely weak of a presidential candidate their chosen errand boy Jeb Bush is that he is getting his ass kicked in the polls by a clown.

    If I was the part of the Republican establishment, I would be extremely frustrated and embarrassed over putting all of our chips on such a weak pathetic candidate like Jeb Bush who has seriously performed below expectations.

    Jeb Bush is the Kimbo Slice of American politics. I remember Dana White was hyping Kimbo Slice as potentially becoming the biggest star in the history of UFC because he was filmed beating up in a guy in a bar. But when the Negro Kimbo Slice debuted in the Octagon he got his ass kicked by a no name lower card SWPL hipster looking White guy. Kimbo did not live up to the hype.

    Just because was he tough enough to be beat up a guy in a bar, it does not mean Kimbo Slice is tough enough to beat up professionally trained MMA fighters who have experience in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    But “Kimbo Slice” is a great name.

  161. @Kamran
    Who will go to China/South-Korea/Taiwan ?

    Africans?

    You do know you actually have to know how to speak chinese to live in China, right Steve?

    Also no welfare in China. Your comments are spurious.

    Replies: @Ed

    According to some estimates there are already half a million Africans in China.

    http://africansinchina.net/how-many-africans-are-there-in-guangzhou/

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Ed

    Finish the sentence, China's population is roughly 1.2 BILLION. And the operative word is "some" estimates. So roughly 96-97% of China is still ethnically Chinese or at least East Asian.

  162. @Anonymous
    Poland certainly has plenty of room for these migrants because many thousands of Poles have taken full advantage of EU free movement benefit and moved to more advanced countries like England, where they have more employment opportunities and enjoy a vastly higher standard of living than back home.

    You can't take advantage of EU benefits while simultaneously rejecting its obligations.

    As the son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland where many of my extended family perished in the Holocaust, I am saddened, but not shocked, by the xenophobia in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe where many other Jews emigrated in the last century. Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions by accepting other migrants fleeing wars and religious oppression. The petty tribalism of human nature has no place in the 21st century either in Europe or especially here in the United States where all, except the dwindling number of Native Americans, are recent immigrants.

    Replies: @Gato de la Biblioteca, @Undocumented Shopper, @Bies Podkrakowski, @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous, @bomag, @Ed

    The irony of course is that the only reason why your ancestors were even in Poland was because a king there offered refuge to Jews who were kicked out of other countries.

    I guess this is what Merkel has to look forward to in terms of her legacy. When everything goes to pot people will simply forget she let the suffering minority in the country & will denounce the Germans as bigoted anyway.

  163. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    "As the son and grandson of Jewish refugees from Poland where many of my extended family perished in the Holocaust, I am saddened, but not shocked, by the xenophobia in Poland and elsewhere in eastern Europe where many other Jews emigrated in the last century. Bigotry and intolerance are endemic to the cultural history there and the ethnically-cleansed societies are now even less willing, though morally obligated, to make amends for their past indiscretions by accepting other migrants fleeing wars and religious oppression. The petty tribalism of human nature has no place in the 21st century either in Europe or especially here in the United States where all, except the dwindling number of Native Americans, are recent immigrants."

    "Billy metz", These exact words are from a comment posted by "Paul" regarding the article that Steve referenced and were selected as a NYT Pick. Are you Paul, or did you simply copy his words?

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Stubborn in Germany

    “Billy metz”, These exact words are from a comment posted by “Paul” regarding the article that Steve referenced and were selected as a NYT Pick. Are you Paul, or did you simply copy his words?

    Hmm, maybe “Billy Metz” is another Jew-hater who just wants to stir up some sh!t? The usual suspects here fell for the bait, of course.

    That the comment was made a NYT Pick is not surprising, given the NYT’s pro-immivasion agenda. It would surprise me if it was also voted a “Reader Pick”.

  164. Japan? Forgot it Steve. I think this whole crisis is driving you crazy. Japan has exactly zero chance of letting in ANY immigrants.

  165. @anon
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The quote mentioned: Japan, China, Taiwan, South Korea.

    You may be right about Japan hence more stories in the media about Japanese reluctance.


    Natives within their own business/academic/popular culture sectors selling them out is more of a Western culture attitude
     
    After WWII maybe, not so much before then.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Those “more stories in the media” have appeared like clockwork about a couple times of year for roughly about the last 20yrs. A la NPR’s “All Things Considered” or 60 Minutes’ Andy Rooney’s “Ever notice” type of rants. It looks and sounds good to emote about the “bigger picture” of life, but really, nothing ever seems to change.

    The US doesn’t have any direct control over Japan or most East Asian nations regarding their immigration policies. It isn’t our business, period.

    Perhaps one reason Japan gets the Eye of Sauron turned on it every once a year is due to the fact that the US still has armed forces over there. All Japan would have to do is to very politely ask the US to leave a la “Thank you for helping us over the years with our defense but its okay now, we’ll take it from here on out. We can handle it.”

    Much like China. You don’t really hear any stories in NYT about China’s reluctance to take in more Africans/Middle Easterners. Perhaps because the US doesn’t have any military bases stationed in mainland China.

    Regarding the touchy feely immigration narrative, it may boil down to out of sight out of mind. No direct US presence in their nation would tend to mean that Japan would be out of the Eye’s sight.

  166. @Ed
    @Kamran

    According to some estimates there are already half a million Africans in China.

    http://africansinchina.net/how-many-africans-are-there-in-guangzhou/

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Finish the sentence, China’s population is roughly 1.2 BILLION. And the operative word is “some” estimates. So roughly 96-97% of China is still ethnically Chinese or at least East Asian.

  167. The thing is, Eastern Europeans still remember the Ottoman Empire. The Bulgarians and Romanians remember 1877-1878, the Greeks remember 1453 and 1832, the Poles remember 1444 and 1683, and the Serbs remember 1389. Also, many Westerners seem to feel some guilty about colonialism, the Crusades, and the slave trade. Eastern European don’t, for obvious reasons. This isn’t because Eastern European are angels – they just didn’t have the chance to engage in colonialism and slave trade. But the point remains.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @jimbojones

    Eastern Europe: working to put the slav in slave for centuries. They were close enough to their steppe guests and others to be among the first to put out the welcome matski and look what it got them besides hearty cooking and overlords.

    Replies: @Davidski

    , @Davidski
    @jimbojones

    Poles have pretty good memories of their battles with the Ottoman Empire. That was the golden age of the Polish Hussar.

    Both sides respected each other. When Poland disappeared as a country the Ottomans still had an empty place reserved for the ambassador from Lechistan (Poland).

    Replies: @Kamran

  168. @EriK
    @Reg Cæsar

    What do you have against Ricks? http://www.famousbirthdays.com/names/rick.html
    Oh, I see.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Rick Nelson was legally Eric.

    Rick Barry was a snob, but I modeled my free throw on his, and it worked wonders. It also looks very, very white.

  169. @Bolshevitz
    @Glossy

    And if you're looking for a hero Cuba is still free of neocons at the moment

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “And if you’re looking for a hero Cuba is still free of neocons at the moment”

    Cuba has a higher percentage of Blacks than The United States. So it might be neocon free, but Cuba is not a Whitopia that can be classified as a Negro free society. I am sure he wants neocon free society that is White as sour cream.

    Have you ever seen how Black the Cuban female and male national volleyball teams are. Nobody would make mistake them for a volleyball team from Spain.

  170. @jimbojones
    The thing is, Eastern Europeans still remember the Ottoman Empire. The Bulgarians and Romanians remember 1877-1878, the Greeks remember 1453 and 1832, the Poles remember 1444 and 1683, and the Serbs remember 1389. Also, many Westerners seem to feel some guilty about colonialism, the Crusades, and the slave trade. Eastern European don't, for obvious reasons. This isn't because Eastern European are angels - they just didn't have the chance to engage in colonialism and slave trade. But the point remains.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Davidski

    Eastern Europe: working to put the slav in slave for centuries. They were close enough to their steppe guests and others to be among the first to put out the welcome matski and look what it got them besides hearty cooking and overlords.

    • Replies: @Davidski
    @Ivy

    You're not making any sense. No one put out the "welcome matski".

    Please try and make sense next time. Thanks in advance.

  171. @HA
    @Glossy

    To silviosilver, vinteuil, Bolshevitz:

    FYI, Glossy is someone who is convinced that things in the USSR "were going great" until Gorbachev came along. So yeah, when it comes to "the preservation of the ancient peoples of eastern Europe", that's who you want setting the course.

    And if you still think you can let some light into a head that blinkered, consider yourself duly forewarned.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    thanks, HA, for the heads up.

  172. @jimbojones
    The thing is, Eastern Europeans still remember the Ottoman Empire. The Bulgarians and Romanians remember 1877-1878, the Greeks remember 1453 and 1832, the Poles remember 1444 and 1683, and the Serbs remember 1389. Also, many Westerners seem to feel some guilty about colonialism, the Crusades, and the slave trade. Eastern European don't, for obvious reasons. This isn't because Eastern European are angels - they just didn't have the chance to engage in colonialism and slave trade. But the point remains.

    Replies: @Ivy, @Davidski

    Poles have pretty good memories of their battles with the Ottoman Empire. That was the golden age of the Polish Hussar.

    Both sides respected each other. When Poland disappeared as a country the Ottomans still had an empty place reserved for the ambassador from Lechistan (Poland).

    • Replies: @Kamran
    @Davidski

    I don't know about both sides respecting each other, but those were good fights. A good fight makes sturdy men. Men who don't fight become women after several decades.

    As a Turk, I am glad the poles defeated the ottomans at Vienna, all chauvinism aside. If the ottomans won the city, everybody inside would've been slaughtered, and we would never have Mozart or Croissants.


    BUT

    we're still waiting for another showdown. The score won't stay 1-0.


    Love,

    The Turks

  173. @Ivy
    @jimbojones

    Eastern Europe: working to put the slav in slave for centuries. They were close enough to their steppe guests and others to be among the first to put out the welcome matski and look what it got them besides hearty cooking and overlords.

    Replies: @Davidski

    You’re not making any sense. No one put out the “welcome matski”.

    Please try and make sense next time. Thanks in advance.

  174. @Reg Cæsar
    @Simon in London

    A newspaper that gives bylines to someone who goes by "Rick" is one whose claims to serious reportage belong to the past.

    I'm sorry, but that name just takes years off one's maturity (not age, though) and points and percentiles off one's IQ.

    Replies: @5371, @EriK, @Brutusale

    Maybe you’d prefer Dick? How can any self-respecting Richard allow himself to be called a slang term for penis?

  175. @Anonymous Nephew
    As Eamonn Fingleton points out, Japan is absolutely brilliant at staying under the radar on this. They are quite happy for the West to talk of their 'lost decade' and 'whatever happened to the Japanese challenge?'.

    https://www.unz.com/efingleton/japan-teflon-nation/

    "South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and mainland China are at one in shunning almost all asylum seekers, no matter how deserving they may be. But even by East Asian standards, Japan is remarkably stone-hearted. It accepted a mere six asylum seekers in 2013 and eleven in 2014. Its admission rate seems particularly remarkable when compared with Australia’s. Australia after all is remote from the sources of the refugee problem. By contrast many troubled nations – Vietnam, Cambodia, and Burma, for instance – are relatively speaking in Japan’s backyard. Yet Australia last year granted visas to 6,501 refugees.

    For those who are keeping score, the remarkable thing is how successfully Japan has escaped international censure. Not to put too fine a point on it, Japan is the Teflon nation of global diplomacy. Nothing seems to stick. No matter how disappointingly it falls short of international expectations, it is rarely held to account."

    The difference twixt Japan and Australia shows how NW European altruism (admittedly pushed and reinforced by some people) compares with Japanese. Now it could be that when the Western World is a fractured set of Brazils, ruled by an immensely wealthy transnational elite, that the Eye of Soros will turn on the Far East. But by that time the Far East may have all the technology.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Jefferson, @Anonymous, @Brutusale

    Paulo Bacigalupi’s excellent SF novel “The Windup Girl” posits an interesting solution to the population problem that the Japanese allegedly face: generipped New People.

    We don’t need no stinking refugees.

  176. @oh its just me
    @anon

    "topic = immigration and author = Jewish -> ignore

    topic = peanuts and author = Jewish -> don’t ignore"

    Paul Gottfried? Ron Unz? Nicholas Stix? ... and even Bernie Sanders - at least on mass immigration

    I agree with your post, I would just say that, obviously, your filter applies to MSM

    Replies: @anon, @ben tillman

    “topic = immigration and author = Jewish -> ignore

    topic = peanuts and author = Jewish -> don’t ignore”

    Paul Gottfried? Ron Unz? Nicholas Stix? … and even Bernie Sanders – at least on mass immigration

    A few months ago, right in the comment section of this very blog, Ron Unz stated that he was responsible for stopping immigration restriction in the 1990’s.

  177. @Davidski
    @jimbojones

    Poles have pretty good memories of their battles with the Ottoman Empire. That was the golden age of the Polish Hussar.

    Both sides respected each other. When Poland disappeared as a country the Ottomans still had an empty place reserved for the ambassador from Lechistan (Poland).

    Replies: @Kamran

    I don’t know about both sides respecting each other, but those were good fights. A good fight makes sturdy men. Men who don’t fight become women after several decades.

    As a Turk, I am glad the poles defeated the ottomans at Vienna, all chauvinism aside. If the ottomans won the city, everybody inside would’ve been slaughtered, and we would never have Mozart or Croissants.

    BUT

    we’re still waiting for another showdown. The score won’t stay 1-0.

    Love,

    The Turks

  178. @Bill
    @Bill P

    Germany has been under occupation for a long time now. In a way, asking why Herod does not rebel against Pilate is a good question. In another way, asking why Herod does not rebel against Pilate is a daft question.

    Put another way, "I keep asking myself what on earth is wrong with the Americans. Do they just get off on invasion or something?"

    The underlying idea that democratic governments somehow represent the will of their people is the problem. That's the idea that has to go. It's silly. Democracy does a very specific thing. It guarantees that the ruling elite will be skillful, sociopathic liars. That's the key skill for success in democracy, so that's what you get.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Democracy does a very specific thing. It guarantees that the ruling elite will be skillful, sociopathic liars. That’s the key skill for success in democracy, so that’s what you get.

    That is a brilliant observation. I wish I could give you attribution when I quote it.

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