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Nicholas Lemann, former head of the Columbia School of Journalism, reviews Yuval Levin’s new book The Fractured Republic in the New York Times:

Why Conservative Intellectuals Hate Trump
By NICHOLAS LEMANN JUNE 21, 2016

THE FRACTURED REPUBLIC
Renewing America’s Social Contract in the Age of Individualism
By Yuval Levin
262 pp. Basic Books. $27.50.

Every so often, a well-timed political manifesto comes out near the beginning of a presidency and functions as a kind of billboard for whatever new era the administration believes it is ushering in. …

Yuval Levin’s “The Fractured ­Republic” could have been one of these books — but that would require not only that the ­Republican Party recapture the White House this year, but also that it produce a different nominee than Donald J. Trump.

Levin aims to rescue the country from the big-­government tendencies of the Clinton and Obama administrations; and ­although he doesn’t say so explicitly, there is an unmistakable strain of disapproval for George W. Bush’s presidency here too (for such grand gestures as the Iraq war, No Child Left Behind and the vastly expensive Medicare prescription drug benefit). Levin, whose previous book was in large part about Edmund Burke, wants us above all, in Burke’s famous phrase, “to love the ­little platoon we belong to in society.” And his own little platoon is such — he is the very plugged-in editor of the journal ­National Affairs and, as The New Republic put it in 2013, “the conservative movement’s great intellectual hope” — that his views would be sure to get a high-level hearing in a non-Trump Republican Washington.

Levin believes that both parties, in their different ways, are caught up in the fundamental mistake of wanting to restore such features of post-World War II America as steadily rising incomes and low economic inequality, hegemony in the global economy, growing government, broad membership in the mainstream religions and a white-bread mass culture.

The term “white-bread,” I discovered a couple of years ago, has had an interesting evolution over the generations from a goal of consumer health and safety advocates to the ethnic slur that virtually nobody notices is an ethnic slur. The use of “white-bread” as an ethnic slur broke through into mass culture by its use by comedians such as Milton Berle, Mel Brooks, Jackie Mason, Woody Allen, and Harry Shearer. Of course, the irony in the phrase “white-bread mass culture” is that these comedians were about as “mass culture” as you could get in the era of 3-4 networks. For example, in 1951, NBC signed Uncle Miltie to a 30 year contract.

 
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  1. White bread is an abomination. I only eat 100% whole wheat.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @AndrewR

    You obviously didn't grow up in the Pulla/Nisu Belt.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

  2. White-bread. Where did the hyphen come from? And what do multi-millionaire Jewish comedians eat rather than white bread ?
    Quaint British historical note. When white ( refined ) bread become available in the 1st half of the 20th Century, the upper classes switched rapidly to the new more expensive ( and promoted ) product. Now the only time British people eat white bread, apart from baguettes and other continental types, is when we make toast.
    White-bread as a derogatory term used by Jews for Mid-Westerners does seem very dated. Its as if they were still stuck in the 1940s.
    Oh, of course, they still ARE stuck in the 1940s !

    • Replies: @Bee
    @Verymuchalive

    "White-bread as a derogatory term used by Jews for Mid-Westerners does seem very dated. Its as if they were still stuck in the 1940s.
    Oh, of course, they still ARE stuck in the 1940s !"

    Weally?

    I hear and read "whitebread" used all the time by white people of all creeds, religions, and colors. It is even used about Jews.

    But I'm always wrong about everything, and your use of irony was rather delicious, appropriate, and funny, so...

    , @ben tillman
    @Verymuchalive


    White-bread. Where did the hyphen come from?
     
    It came from the term being made into an adjective. Multi-word adjectives are hyphenated.
    , @Stan Adams
    @Verymuchalive


    And what do multi-millionaire Jewish comedians eat rather than white bread ?
     
    Rye.
    , @Olorin
    @Verymuchalive

    1. Matzoh is as white as bread gets. Doesn't even have any yeast in it to add vitamin B or the signature flavor of yeast-digested starches.

    2. Challah is white bread with a couple of egg yolks.

    3. Bagels are white bread with the gluten boiled out.

    4. Malavach is a white bread that's flat, like naan, only not so tasty.

    5. Nicholas Lemann has made a big deal out of his Jewishness forever.

    http://bigthink.com/videos/nicholas-lemann-growing-up-jewish-in-the-american-south

    6. Yuval Levin is described as American, but he was born in Haifa.

    IOW, this all is (((the usual white bashing))). It has nothing to do with bread.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dave Pinsen, @Verymuchalive

  3. “whitebread” may be a slur but so is “whole grain” and “whole grain with sprouts”, which leads one to wonder what kind of bread is eaten in the various minority communities.

    However, to brand current American culture as “whitebread” is asinine. On the contrary, our culture hasn’t been “bland”, “middle of the road” or “white” in decades, for the simple reason that it doesn’t sell. On the other hand, in film you have perpetual comic book knockoffs, high resolution cartoons with fart and bathroom jokes, franchises meant to empower women and teenage boys, edgy dramas featuring minority sex lives, on TV, 40 minute soap operas and 20 minute comedies that spend most of their time currying favor with minorities and exploring the feelings of female leads, with an occasional sensitive male allowed to burst into tears because of the terms of his ex-wive’s custody agreement, and in music, a bunch of self-mutilated young people attempting to ape their African American betters in various odes to getting high, drunk, stoned, crunked, and engaging in degrading sex with with women. There’s nothing “whitebread” about it.

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    @SPMoore8

    Yeah, I don't get all the reboots, sequels, superhero movies and such coming out of Hollywood these days. At least the dumb movies about street racing make sense as a way of entertaining the low-IQ Hispanic market.

    , @Anonymous
    @SPMoore8

    There always have been parallel cultures in America in certain fields like stage/acting, music, sports, food. All of these are less white-centric as the demographics get less white because blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Middle Easterners all are able to compete with whites in these areas to various extents.

    But in many other areas, or culture streams, there is truth to the perception that it's still white out there like the 1950's. We see this on this blog where Steve focuses on niches (some very large, some small) that are ironically filled with lefties who are all white.

    Whites still absolutely dominate these areas because the competition is simply not as successful in setting up a parallel culture in certain fields. Blacks and Hispanics have a narrow band of achievement as has been discussed here ad nauseum. Asians also have limited areas where they surpass whites.

    There are real world racial dynamics that make white football quarterbacks very difficult to replace. The same thing goes for many other cultural streams.

    Replies: @Hijab Porn

    , @SFG
    @SPMoore8

    Ironically, it's frequently 'shock jock' stuff like 'South Park' that actually criticizes PC culture.

    I basically agree with you otherwise. It's weird to look at old movies and see gangsters like Al Capone wearing hats and dressed well. People know something's been lost--look at the popularity of stuff like Mad Men--but aren't sure what. Even the popularity of fantasy stuff like Tolkien suggests people are longing for some sort of spiritual content, I'd argue. Of course the Middle Ages were much more like Game of Thrones!

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @K.
    @SPMoore8

    "which leads one to wonder what kind of bread is eaten in the various minority communities. "

    Steve answers that question in his Taki's Mag column "White Food".

    tangent- Back in Maine, the Shakers like to say "The more white in your bread, the sooner your dead."

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Wade
    @SPMoore8


    "ape their African American betters"
     
    I cannot abide this. This was very, very racist.
  4. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Meanwhile, the rocket surgeons at the NY Times are surprised that Jordanian Intelligence would steal arms meant for Syrian Rebels and sell them on the black market:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/world/middleeast/cia-arms-for-syrian-rebels-supplied-black-market-officials-say.html?_r=0

  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The irony is that (CJR dean’s summary of) this guy’s policy prescriptions are as white-breaded as Hostess Factory Original w/ Miracle Whip: going back to “neighborhood organizations” and churches? Who’s stuck in The Fifties™, bub… I knew there was a reason I haven’t read anything by this well-respected hack.

    Do any black politicians run on a “churches n’ barbershop” platform? I would think not, because female blacks eligible to vote significantly outnumber the converse, and women care less about that Bill Cosby shtick than Getting What’s Owed Me. John Edwards could be a great black pol if black, as their material interests seem to coincide with the plaintiffs bar

  6. You forgot the parens around all those names. The term seems old-fashioned to me, and I’m 56. I always figured it referred to people (in the 40’s and 50’s) who could afford (white) Wonder Bread as opposed to the ethnics/poor kids who ate .. whatever it was they ate. My Dad worked for Wonder Bread, so I (almost) knew no other, but our family actually preferred the rye breads, and home made darker stuff which i love now but hated as a kid. Like cracker, it’s a hate term for suburban middle-class white people, the most hated of all socio-ethnic groups. (of which I’m a proud member, nonetheless).

    • Replies: @Amasius
    @Jack Cade

    The only one I wasn't sure about offhand was Milton Berle, but I looked him up and sure enough he was too, real name Mendel Berlinger. (((lol)))

    , @Miss Laura
    @Jack Cade

    Cracker here. We ate cornbread. Light bread, most likely yeast rolls, was for special occasions such as Sunday dinner.

    , @TheJester
    @Jack Cade

    The ability to eat "white bread" ... Wonder Bread ... was a status symbol in the 1950s. I guess it meant your family had the income to buy bleached-white, processed bread from a factory as the start of what has became an unwholesome processed food diet.

    It appears this meant homemade rolls other other breads were "out" and factory-produced sliced bread was "in". In fact, there were popular expressions I still remember such as "the best thing since sliced bread" and "as good as sliced bread" as a way of praising something via an analogy with Wonder Bread.

    A side note: My father-in-law, a cereal chemist, was responsible for a lot of the additives bakeries used to cut short the fermenting and other processes, allowing factory bread to be made in 1/4 or less time than traditional bread making. His approach was to artificially introduce the end products of these processes to allow bakeries to get to the baking stage as quickly as possible. He died in 1976. I have no idea if his additives have been replaced by other additives or purged from the factory-baked bread processes for health or marketing reasons.

  7. I prefer the identification “cornbread American” myself.

  8. @SPMoore8
    "whitebread" may be a slur but so is "whole grain" and "whole grain with sprouts", which leads one to wonder what kind of bread is eaten in the various minority communities.

    However, to brand current American culture as "whitebread" is asinine. On the contrary, our culture hasn't been "bland", "middle of the road" or "white" in decades, for the simple reason that it doesn't sell. On the other hand, in film you have perpetual comic book knockoffs, high resolution cartoons with fart and bathroom jokes, franchises meant to empower women and teenage boys, edgy dramas featuring minority sex lives, on TV, 40 minute soap operas and 20 minute comedies that spend most of their time currying favor with minorities and exploring the feelings of female leads, with an occasional sensitive male allowed to burst into tears because of the terms of his ex-wive's custody agreement, and in music, a bunch of self-mutilated young people attempting to ape their African American betters in various odes to getting high, drunk, stoned, crunked, and engaging in degrading sex with with women. There's nothing "whitebread" about it.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @Anonymous, @SFG, @K., @Wade

    Yeah, I don’t get all the reboots, sequels, superhero movies and such coming out of Hollywood these days. At least the dumb movies about street racing make sense as a way of entertaining the low-IQ Hispanic market.

  9. “For example, in 1951, NBC signed Uncle Miltie to a million dollar per year contract for 30 years.”

    And they cancelled his show because of declining ratings two years later, an expensive lesson in the early days of TV. “Uncle Miltie” made out just fine. BTW I remember seeing (and liking) Woody Allen as a stand-up comedian in the late 50’s-early 60’s on the Tonight Show with Jack Paar and later Johnny Carson. His stand-up career was very short as he found a lucrative niche in the movie business. I didn’t realize Woody Allen was considered “mass culture.” I wouldn’t have stayed up so late to watch him if I realized that.

    • Replies: @Fiddlesticks
    @tbraton

    “For example, in 1951, NBC signed Uncle Miltie to a million dollar per year contract for 30 years.”

    $200K/year according to his official bio. ($1M would have been a heck of a lot in 1951 money, especially in pre-winner-take-all world)
    http://www.miltonberle.com/about/biography.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @tbraton

    , @whorefinder
    @tbraton

    Yeah, NBC figured that TV would be like radio, where a show anchored/led by a major star could last for a very very long time. Plus Berle's incredible ratings power at the beginning made NBC think that even if his ratings declined, it wouldn't be precipitous.

    Like old generals fighting the last war, NBC was orienting its business model around the previous technology. They learned better.

  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The term “white-bread,” I discovered a couple of years ago, has had an interesting evolution over the generations from a goal of consumer health and safety advocates to the ethnic slur that virtually nobody notices is an ethnic slur. The use of “white-bread” as an ethnic slur broke through into mass culture by its use by comedians such as Milton Berle, Mel Brooks, Jackie Mason, Woody Allen, and Harry Shearer.

    It’s sort of a dated term or slur now. Midcentury suburban Americans bought bread from supermarkets where Wonderbread and similar mass produced white breads were often the only bread available, while in the big cities people in ethnic neighborhoods would have ryes and pumpernickels and the like from delis and ethnic grocers. Now of course even ordinary suburban supermarkets have all kinds of different whole grain breads and most white people don’t even eat Wonderbread anymore. I think nowadays it’s mostly blacks and lower class whites who eat highly refined white bread like Wonderbread regularly.

    “Mangiacake” (cake eater) and “caker” were similar terms in Canada coined by Italian-Canadians for Canadian WASPs because they ate highly refined white breads that were like cake compared to the real bread that Italian-Canadians had:

    https://cakercooking.blogspot.com/2011/05/whats-caker.html

    I don’t remember the first time I heard the word, or the context in which it was said. I didn’t know what a “caker” was, let alone a “mangiacake.” It was only years later, when I settled into life with my Italian partner, that the word began popping up more and more.

    “What’s a caker?” I asked him once.

    “You know,” he replied. “Canadian.”

    “But you were born here. Aren’t you Canadian?”

    “Yes, but I still consider myself Italian.”

    “So then all Canadians are cakers?”

    “No. Only the ones who cook with Cheez Whiz.”

    I thought back to the years of casseroles I’d consumed, the packets of Dream Whip, the frozen Tater Tots, the Wonder Bread and Ritz crackers. I was raised in the ‘70s within an Anglo Saxon cultural fog. Part Scottish, part Irish, part I-don’t-know-but-does-it-really-matter? Like so many of my friends, I grew up with no sense of Old World traditions. We were, well, Canadians. But we weren’t cakers.

    Were we?

    But to back peddle a bit – exactly how did this “mangiacake” business start up?

    There seems to be two possible origins. The first is that when Italian immigrants came to North America, they couldn’t afford luxuries like cake, so they were forced to sit and watch all the Anglos stuff their faces. Hence, “cake-eaters.” The second version claims that immigrant Italians considered North American bread too cake-like for their liking.

    Whatever the origins, the die was cast. The “mangiacake” was born.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    White bread is the only bread Korean and Japanese bakeries near me make. I guess it has come full circle and is now exotic.

    , @Horseball
    @Anonymous

    I've heard Mangiacake in Buffalo, too. A lot of the Italians have relatives in Canada.

  11. • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @anony-mouse

    How does that "spoil the fun"? Please walk me through your thinking on this.

    Replies: @anony-mouse

  12. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SPMoore8
    "whitebread" may be a slur but so is "whole grain" and "whole grain with sprouts", which leads one to wonder what kind of bread is eaten in the various minority communities.

    However, to brand current American culture as "whitebread" is asinine. On the contrary, our culture hasn't been "bland", "middle of the road" or "white" in decades, for the simple reason that it doesn't sell. On the other hand, in film you have perpetual comic book knockoffs, high resolution cartoons with fart and bathroom jokes, franchises meant to empower women and teenage boys, edgy dramas featuring minority sex lives, on TV, 40 minute soap operas and 20 minute comedies that spend most of their time currying favor with minorities and exploring the feelings of female leads, with an occasional sensitive male allowed to burst into tears because of the terms of his ex-wive's custody agreement, and in music, a bunch of self-mutilated young people attempting to ape their African American betters in various odes to getting high, drunk, stoned, crunked, and engaging in degrading sex with with women. There's nothing "whitebread" about it.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @Anonymous, @SFG, @K., @Wade

    There always have been parallel cultures in America in certain fields like stage/acting, music, sports, food. All of these are less white-centric as the demographics get less white because blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Middle Easterners all are able to compete with whites in these areas to various extents.

    But in many other areas, or culture streams, there is truth to the perception that it’s still white out there like the 1950’s. We see this on this blog where Steve focuses on niches (some very large, some small) that are ironically filled with lefties who are all white.

    Whites still absolutely dominate these areas because the competition is simply not as successful in setting up a parallel culture in certain fields. Blacks and Hispanics have a narrow band of achievement as has been discussed here ad nauseum. Asians also have limited areas where they surpass whites.

    There are real world racial dynamics that make white football quarterbacks very difficult to replace. The same thing goes for many other cultural streams.

    • Replies: @Hijab Porn
    @Anonymous


    Whites still absolutely dominate these areas because the competition is simply not as successful in setting up a parallel culture in certain fields. Blacks and Hispanics have a narrow band of achievement as has been discussed here ad nauseum. Asians also have limited areas where they surpass whites.


    Hart Celler Immigration Act of 1965 opened borders to the world which is the only way possible to displace whites from all power niches in their own country......

    Meaning no other single race could do it...

    But bring many talented tribes in to attack each niche individually and over time whites might be disempowered across the board.....

  13. Lot says:

    Levin believes that both parties, in their different ways, are caught up in the fundamental mistake of wanting to restore such features of post-World War II America as steadily rising incomes and low economic inequality, hegemony in the global economy, growing government, broad membership in the mainstream religions and a white-bread mass culture.

    Rising incomes, low inequality, and global hegemony sound good to me. Though the cost of global hegemony is too high for us to bear on its own. So we can make due to hemispheric hegemony.

    I don’t think “white bread” is being so much used as a slur as a euphemism. It is still taboo to use the adjective white in a neutral or approving sense in the MSM.

    On the glass half full side, it is nice to see the remnant of the mainstream right abandoning any defense of the Iraq war.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Lot

    Actually...yeah. Levin can't say 'white', so he says 'whitebread'.

    His point is still (from the summary of the summary, I haven't read his actual book) that the GOP should ditch white culture, which makes little sense given the popularity of Trump. The reformocons had some good ideas but their failure to acknowledge the importance of ethnonationalism basically meant they were never going to get anywhere on the right (even though some, like Frum, supported cutting immigration). Though 'small is beautiful' would probably allow small towns to preserve their culture to some degree.

    Replies: @Lot, @Bill

  14. Stuff like this is what makes Steve worth reading. It reminds me of the cheeky menu in a St. Louis sandwich shop in the 80s. “Our white bread sandwich, born and bred in the the Mid-West, made to from the nicest ingredients…” Something along those lines. Microaggression city, don’t think the white staff was aware they were making fun of themselves though.

  15. Whites are the only group allowed to be mocked, because whites have been the most competent. Its similar to why you can’t make fun of Special Olympians.

    Its fun to watch the X-men movies as an analogy for the war against whites, with two factions of whites competing over different strategies for dealing with the rest of homo sapiens.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Grandpa Jack

    Is the character Magneto inspired by Menachem Begin?

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @BenKenobi
    @Grandpa Jack

    I read Atlas Shrugged through a similar prism.

  16. @anony-mouse
    Sorry to spoil the fun:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mangiacake

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    How does that “spoil the fun”? Please walk me through your thinking on this.

    • Replies: @anony-mouse
    @Cagey Beast

    No mention of any Italians in his belief that 'white bread' has been used as an ethnic slur even though they use a similar term (that's assuming they don't also use the same term).

    Since you asked.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Cagey Beast, @Anonymous

  17. Uncle Miltie once had a record 98% of all television sets in the country tuned into his show. He was so dominant the other networks (CBS and DuMont) debated whether to even put any programming all when he was on TV.

    But more to the point, the irony of Jewish comedians complaining about the goyim’s tastes while they are, in fact, the goy’s delight is a combination of Jewish-self-loathing with a comedian’s self-denial that they aren’t still edgy with the Jewish denial/paranoia about assimilation. Fifty Million people watched the Seinfeld conclusion and yet I’m sure most of the Jewish watchers were wondering if the goyim got the jokes.

    • Replies: @Bee
    @whorefinder

    "I’m sure most of the Jewish watchers were wondering if the goyim got the jokes."

    The finale of Seinfeld included jokes? Get the f--k out of town.

    Replies: @whorefinder

  18. I remember as a child reading an interview with the South African golfer Gary Player and how he stayed competitive by eating healthy. He said (or I remember he said): “When I see white bread, I see poison”. That worried me a great deal at the time as that was the only kind of bread we ate.

    I would guess young audiences today would hear “white bread” as “white bred”, if not illiterately read it that way, because that would be a perfectly acceptable way to denigrate something to them.

  19. Jews enjoy and use the word ‘white bread’ in a fashion similar to the way that blacks use the word ‘cracker’. It means ’empty white nothingness’. (See: Flyover country.) This term is not racist or insulting however, even if it is.

    But this is part of a larger lexicon. Other insulting, racially-charged words include:

    RED NECK (white farmers or rural whites who protect their turf).

    GRINGO

    TRAILER TRASH (as opposed to ghetto trash)

    EURO-TRASH

    HILLBILLY

    NEO-NAZI (Trump voter, anti-Zionist, non-Jew who is suspicious of Jews, or non-Jewish white person with a racial identity)

    FASCIST: white person who opposes political correctness and its various agendas.

    WHITE SUPREMACIST: white person who holds attitudes about white people that resembles the way that Jews see the Jewish people in relation to non-Jews. (See: double-standard)

    RACIST: white person who wants to enforce existing immigration laws or a white parent who doesn’t want to send their children to a violent, black-majority school or neighborhood.

    REACTIONARY: white person who sees a vibrant ‘diverse’ future for America and sees very big problems coming along with it. (See: Trump rally violence, censorship, minority crime rates, ‘white flight’)

    ANTI-SEMITE: a non-Jew who understands the extraordinary role that organized Jewry now plays in the Western world and dares to examine it and even criticize it.

  20. SFG says:
    @SPMoore8
    "whitebread" may be a slur but so is "whole grain" and "whole grain with sprouts", which leads one to wonder what kind of bread is eaten in the various minority communities.

    However, to brand current American culture as "whitebread" is asinine. On the contrary, our culture hasn't been "bland", "middle of the road" or "white" in decades, for the simple reason that it doesn't sell. On the other hand, in film you have perpetual comic book knockoffs, high resolution cartoons with fart and bathroom jokes, franchises meant to empower women and teenage boys, edgy dramas featuring minority sex lives, on TV, 40 minute soap operas and 20 minute comedies that spend most of their time currying favor with minorities and exploring the feelings of female leads, with an occasional sensitive male allowed to burst into tears because of the terms of his ex-wive's custody agreement, and in music, a bunch of self-mutilated young people attempting to ape their African American betters in various odes to getting high, drunk, stoned, crunked, and engaging in degrading sex with with women. There's nothing "whitebread" about it.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @Anonymous, @SFG, @K., @Wade

    Ironically, it’s frequently ‘shock jock’ stuff like ‘South Park’ that actually criticizes PC culture.

    I basically agree with you otherwise. It’s weird to look at old movies and see gangsters like Al Capone wearing hats and dressed well. People know something’s been lost–look at the popularity of stuff like Mad Men–but aren’t sure what. Even the popularity of fantasy stuff like Tolkien suggests people are longing for some sort of spiritual content, I’d argue. Of course the Middle Ages were much more like Game of Thrones!

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @SFG

    "Of course the Middle Ages were much more like Game of Thrones!"

    Not necessarily. George R.R. Martin has projected a lot of his own nihilism and degeneracy onto the middle ages.

    Replies: @StAugustine

  21. I agree with Lot that “white bread” may be used more as an euphemism than a conscious slur in many cases. It harks back to the days when Wonder Bread was prized as cool and modern and when the closest that mid-America got to exotic cuisines was spaghetti and Chop Suey in cans. It also references the era of heart-warming cuteness ala “Happiness is a Warm Puppy”, when anything vulgar or unsightly was swept under the cultural rug.

    We are long past that now, but the phrase lingers as a stereotype or euphemism for white middle class America, i.e. for what many of us on the East or West Coasts fled from in the Midwest. As SPMoore8 notes, mainstream culture is no longer bland or ‘nice’… It has been flipped on its head: the formerly inoffensive is now offensive and vice versa. Though we do still have sentimentality, as in endless cute cat videos online, and in James Fallows’ assessment of Dodge City, Kansas.

  22. SFG says:
    @Lot

    Levin believes that both parties, in their different ways, are caught up in the fundamental mistake of wanting to restore such features of post-World War II America as steadily rising incomes and low economic inequality, hegemony in the global economy, growing government, broad membership in the mainstream religions and a white-bread mass culture.
     
    Rising incomes, low inequality, and global hegemony sound good to me. Though the cost of global hegemony is too high for us to bear on its own. So we can make due to hemispheric hegemony.

    I don't think "white bread" is being so much used as a slur as a euphemism. It is still taboo to use the adjective white in a neutral or approving sense in the MSM.

    On the glass half full side, it is nice to see the remnant of the mainstream right abandoning any defense of the Iraq war.

    Replies: @SFG

    Actually…yeah. Levin can’t say ‘white’, so he says ‘whitebread’.

    His point is still (from the summary of the summary, I haven’t read his actual book) that the GOP should ditch white culture, which makes little sense given the popularity of Trump. The reformocons had some good ideas but their failure to acknowledge the importance of ethnonationalism basically meant they were never going to get anywhere on the right (even though some, like Frum, supported cutting immigration). Though ‘small is beautiful’ would probably allow small towns to preserve their culture to some degree.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @SFG


    which makes little sense given the popularity of Trump
     
    Unfortunately he is not very popular. I was excited and pleased by his politically incorrect positions getting him the GOP nomination. But he needs to pivot to the left hard to win the general. Instead he's doing more to please his core supporters. We are already with him, and he is now as much as 11 points behind in polls.

    Brexit showed that nationalism is subject to a Shy Tory effect. Brexit ending up running about 7 points ahead of the poll averages. I would feel OK for this reason if Trump were down 3. But he's losing and growing in unpopularity. The Trump U and judge fight turned swing voters against him.

    Replies: @Amasius, @Salger, @Bill

    , @Bill
    @SFG


    Though ‘small is beautiful’ would probably allow small towns to preserve their culture to some degree.
     
    Absolutely not.

    A few years ago, frontporchrepublic.com (the standard-bearer for small is beautiful, localist conservakins) was criticized for its incipient racism. Obviously, taking the side of small-town America, neighborhood America, and the like has to be racist. It literally cannot be otherwise. You are taking the side of places which get their unique culture from the people who live there and from their folkways. An Italian neighborhood which is 33% Italian, 33% black, and 33% Mexican isn't an Italian neighborhood any more.

    Shockingly, to me at the time, the clown show over there vigorously denied that they were racist and vigorously denied that the localism they were defending would be threatend by changing the ethnic character of the localities. So, no, under even the least pressure, localist conservakins will sacrifice the localisms they theoretically favor to the god of the Multicult.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  23. Not directly related, but speaking of ethnic slurs (and can we agree we are fine with them, even when they are against us, since they carry a lot of truth in these bs times?)…

    In France a term that is being used more and more is “petits blancs”, “little whites”. It can be derogatory or patronizing, but not always. Little whites are the white people left behind by globalization. White people without much power, except on the occasion of a rare populist revolt. White people who may suffer from being in a “very diverse” neighborhood. Little whites tend to be whitebread, and may eat at McDonald’s etc., though some are also adapting to these multicultural times if they can’t afford to flee their declining (what’s the opposite of gentrifying?) hallalized neighborhood or can no longer afford their gentrifying neighborhood.
    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=”petits+blancs”

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @European-American

    S'ils n'ont pas de pain blanc, qu'ils mangent du khobz - Merkel-Angèle, reine de l'Europe

    Replies: @Mark Caplan

  24. Sorry to repeat myself, but I left this far down on the previous thread and think it’s resoundingly iSteve-y:

    Off-Topic: Ohio State soccer player Fikayo Idowu–”of Mississippi,” it says here–drowns while swimming with teammates:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3660841/Ohio-State-mens-soccer-player-drowns-teammates.html

    • Replies: @Trelane
    @slumber_j

    Victim of low body fat index no doubt. Well conditioned athletes with very low body fat (say, under 10%) are subject to "lack of buoyancy" which has been associated with "drowning".

    Magnolia state American drownded. Film at 11.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Stealth, @Dirk Dagger

  25. The so-called conservative intellectuals hate Trump for the oldest of reasons to hate a man – money. The boys and girls of the the conservative media were all hoping to land a gig in the next GOP administration. Hundreds of liberals landed in the Obama administration. That’s how it works around here. It’s a company town.

    Bill Kristol hired an interior decorator last year, figuring he was going to have an office in the West Wing in the Jeb Bush administration. He worked for both Bushes so he surely was expecting to work for the next one or one of his ideological doppelgangers.

    Jonah Goldberg’s wife worked in the Bush administration. You can be sure she was out buying work clothes last summer, figuring she was going to land in the next GOP administration. Eight years of six figure pay and benefits, plus a book is good money. Throw in the insider access, speaking fees and board appointments and Trump is a million dollar disaster for the Goldberg family.

    Seven of the ten richest counties are attached to DC for a reason.

    • Agree: BB753, Bill
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @The Z Blog

    Working in the White House doesn't pay well, it's the work you get in the private sector after you worked in the White House that makes your fortune.

    Replies: @The Z Blog

    , @woodNfish
    @The Z Blog


    Seven of the ten richest counties are attached to DC for a reason.
     
    Yes, because "crime pays" is a truism.
  26. The linked Taki’s piece is Sailer Gold. Well worth the re-read.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    @Trelane

    Disagree that vanilla tastes better than chocolate. Vanilla smells better
    that chocolate. I'll give it that.

  27. Pat Casey says:

    A friend of mine working in the restaurant industry one time clued me in on how waiters haggle over whose going to take the hit on the tip when some “Canadians” walk through the door.

    Speaking of Canadians and ethnic slurs that nobody notices are ethnic slurs, the one David Foster Wallace got away with in Infinite Jest, which recently turned twenty with many plaudits including a profound one in the New York Times, the one he got away with approximately until the day before yesterday, turns out, to an ear that can hear the ghost of James Joyce, and catches the signal clue in the pertinent scene that summons him, flat out smack dab straight up equals calling certain Jewish Jews “fatuous rodents.” Quebecois separatists wheelchair assassins, yea right ahahahahaaha

    Here is a relevant passage from D.T. Max’s biography of DFW, Every Love Story is a Ghost Story, about the young writer’s time as a grad student at Arizona:

    “There’s a fine and moving story here, David,” Penner wrote his student in response. “It’s about half as long.” A conservative Jew himself, Penner found Wallace’s idea of Jews as targets of comedy “mildly offensive” and remembers wondering why Wallace kept submitting stories about people of his own religion to him. Other students assumed it was Wallace’s attempt to get under the skin of a professor who was not giving him the praise he expected. If so, it may have worked. Penner saw the talent that Wallace possessed and felt he was misusing it. At one point, he took Wallace aside and told him that if he continued to write the way he was he was writing “we’d hate to lose you.”

    For anyone interested in theorizing a conspiracy about how the prestige press handles so much cake on their face as Infinite Jest splattered, try to make sense of how that incident is cited by Max at the back of the book. Then there was a rumor I read on some blog post I somehow wound up at that claimed at some point after Infinite Jest had become a book, the word went around NY publishing establishment that no more books past x number of words should be allowed to go to print, and the number of words seemed to amount to the page the tease about fatuous rodents comes out full bloom. All of it reminds me of Leo Strauss.

    • Replies: @Kyle
    @Pat Casey

    I used to work as a lifeguard in Atlantic city. "Canadians" was short hand for Canadian rock fish.

  28. • Replies: @the cruncher
    @MEH 0910

    If entertainment's allowed, here's Conan being called 'whitebread' by Pimpbot 5000:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNAWjLWkdDk&t=1m28s

  29. Another anti-White slur is “monoculture,” deployed as a smear against the America that was 90% White – the America that became history’s most inventive and productive nation and that won WWII (I expect the usual hoots & hollers from fans of the Red Army) and sent men to and from the moon. At iSteve Mr. Sailer has often written of non-whites who rose to fame and fortune under the supposedly “non-inclusive,” “racist” monoculture.

  30. Steve, any thoughts on the violent clashes today in Sacramento between anti-fascists and the Traditionalist Worker Party?

  31. I heard Yuval Levin trying to sell his act on NPR the other day, but I tuned him out as BS. NPR is bad enough without the faux conservative clowns.

    I’ve always considered whitebread to be a mild ethnic slur. What else could it be? What’s always been more interesting to me is the obvious slurs that are used casually and on purpose, and in a nasty manner, such as redneck, white trash, cracker, whitey, white boy, ect. These terms are used all the time in popular culture and in the media without anyone batting an eye.

  32. You’re not supposed to say bourgeois because using the word implies you are a red. In theory in the exceptional USA all there is is race, class differences are irrelevant.

    See also milquetoast

  33. @slumber_j
    Sorry to repeat myself, but I left this far down on the previous thread and think it's resoundingly iSteve-y:

    Off-Topic: Ohio State soccer player Fikayo Idowu–”of Mississippi,” it says here–drowns while swimming with teammates:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3660841/Ohio-State-mens-soccer-player-drowns-teammates.html

    Replies: @Trelane

    Victim of low body fat index no doubt. Well conditioned athletes with very low body fat (say, under 10%) are subject to “lack of buoyancy” which has been associated with “drowning”.

    Magnolia state American drownded. Film at 11.

    • Agree: slumber_j
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Trelane


    Victim of low body fat index no doubt.
     
    Ha! Victim of being out of his element. Uncomfortable in nature, and that includes water.

    Hothouse flower is the expression. Supported by us and dependent on us. We're raising billions of 'em now.

    Replies: @K.

    , @Stealth
    @Trelane

    Michael Phelps is pretty lean. Has a lot of mass, too, for a supposed non doper.

    , @Dirk Dagger
    @Trelane

    No doubt? College kid and drowned … intoxicants just might be involved, possibly?

  34. @The Z Blog
    The so-called conservative intellectuals hate Trump for the oldest of reasons to hate a man - money. The boys and girls of the the conservative media were all hoping to land a gig in the next GOP administration. Hundreds of liberals landed in the Obama administration. That's how it works around here. It's a company town.

    Bill Kristol hired an interior decorator last year, figuring he was going to have an office in the West Wing in the Jeb Bush administration. He worked for both Bushes so he surely was expecting to work for the next one or one of his ideological doppelgangers.

    Jonah Goldberg's wife worked in the Bush administration. You can be sure she was out buying work clothes last summer, figuring she was going to land in the next GOP administration. Eight years of six figure pay and benefits, plus a book is good money. Throw in the insider access, speaking fees and board appointments and Trump is a million dollar disaster for the Goldberg family.

    Seven of the ten richest counties are attached to DC for a reason.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @woodNfish

    Working in the White House doesn’t pay well, it’s the work you get in the private sector after you worked in the White House that makes your fortune.

    • Replies: @The Z Blog
    @Steve Sailer

    Goldberg's wife would have fell into a senior job at DOJ where she worked under Bush. That's $90-100K plus benefits. It's not hip-hop money, but it is nothing to sneeze at. Throw in the extras and the fact it is second income and you can see why the so many people around here have a beach house somewhere like the Outer Banks.

  35. @Trelane
    @slumber_j

    Victim of low body fat index no doubt. Well conditioned athletes with very low body fat (say, under 10%) are subject to "lack of buoyancy" which has been associated with "drowning".

    Magnolia state American drownded. Film at 11.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Stealth, @Dirk Dagger

    Victim of low body fat index no doubt.

    Ha! Victim of being out of his element. Uncomfortable in nature, and that includes water.

    Hothouse flower is the expression. Supported by us and dependent on us. We’re raising billions of ’em now.

    • Replies: @K.
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I'll see your hothouse and raise you an orchid.

  36. @Grandpa Jack
    Whites are the only group allowed to be mocked, because whites have been the most competent. Its similar to why you can't make fun of Special Olympians.

    Its fun to watch the X-men movies as an analogy for the war against whites, with two factions of whites competing over different strategies for dealing with the rest of homo sapiens.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @BenKenobi

    Is the character Magneto inspired by Menachem Begin?

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    Is the character Magneto inspired by Menachem Begin?
     
    In his earliest appearances, he came across as a Nazi (Mutants as the master race , etc). The Jewish Holocaust survivor business was a much later retcon by Chris Claremont. Dunno if Claremont had Begin in mind.


    When Scots comic book writer Grant Morrison tried to get back to the Kirby-Lee Nazi-esque version of Magneto a few years back (complete with Magneto gassing normal humans en masse ), the fans revolted. MARVEL retconned Morrison's story, saying that the Magneto who had appeared in his stories was an impostor.
  37. I have always assumed that ‘whitebread’ means pabulum when used in a cultural sense.

  38. The tendency of some Jews to use the phrase “white-bread” (they are not the only group to use it of course) as an implied perjorative term to describe WASP culture displays a certain Chutzpah. Blintzes, gefillte-fisch, latke, matzoh – the Ashkenazi are not exactly known for thier cuisine, are they? Klezmer music? It’s equally funny when they deride rednecks as “inbred”. Inbred? Really? Is that a charge they want to be throwing around casually?

    • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    @Mr. Anon

    Tobacco Road, Gods Little Acre and Deliverance were not written by Jews. They were written by southern whites of a better class. I grew up in the South. Poor, uneducated whites from the country were called "trash" and not by Jews. The "in bred" hillbilly was no Jewish joke.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @cthulhu, @Mr. Anon

  39. Did Woody Allen ever use that phrase, or are you thinking of that scene in Hannah and Her Sisters when his character is considering converting to a Protestant sect and brings home the white bread and mayo?

  40. “Every so often, a well-timed political manifesto comes out near the beginning of a presidency and functions as a kind of billboard for whatever new era the administration believes it is ushering in. …

    Yuval Levin’s “The Fractured ­Republic” could have been one of these books — but that would require not only that the ­Republican Party recapture the White House this year, but also that it produce a different nominee than Donald J. Trump.”

    That’s a rather strange introduction: This book could have been a highly relevant book about current events…………………if current events had only conformed to the thesis of this book.

  41. @Grandpa Jack
    Whites are the only group allowed to be mocked, because whites have been the most competent. Its similar to why you can't make fun of Special Olympians.

    Its fun to watch the X-men movies as an analogy for the war against whites, with two factions of whites competing over different strategies for dealing with the rest of homo sapiens.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @BenKenobi

    I read Atlas Shrugged through a similar prism.

  42. @Anonymous

    The term “white-bread,” I discovered a couple of years ago, has had an interesting evolution over the generations from a goal of consumer health and safety advocates to the ethnic slur that virtually nobody notices is an ethnic slur. The use of “white-bread” as an ethnic slur broke through into mass culture by its use by comedians such as Milton Berle, Mel Brooks, Jackie Mason, Woody Allen, and Harry Shearer.
     
    It's sort of a dated term or slur now. Midcentury suburban Americans bought bread from supermarkets where Wonderbread and similar mass produced white breads were often the only bread available, while in the big cities people in ethnic neighborhoods would have ryes and pumpernickels and the like from delis and ethnic grocers. Now of course even ordinary suburban supermarkets have all kinds of different whole grain breads and most white people don't even eat Wonderbread anymore. I think nowadays it's mostly blacks and lower class whites who eat highly refined white bread like Wonderbread regularly.

    "Mangiacake" (cake eater) and "caker" were similar terms in Canada coined by Italian-Canadians for Canadian WASPs because they ate highly refined white breads that were like cake compared to the real bread that Italian-Canadians had:

    https://cakercooking.blogspot.com/2011/05/whats-caker.html

    I don’t remember the first time I heard the word, or the context in which it was said. I didn’t know what a "caker" was, let alone a "mangiacake." It was only years later, when I settled into life with my Italian partner, that the word began popping up more and more.

    “What’s a caker?” I asked him once.

    “You know,” he replied. “Canadian.”

    “But you were born here. Aren’t you Canadian?”

    “Yes, but I still consider myself Italian.”

    “So then all Canadians are cakers?”

    “No. Only the ones who cook with Cheez Whiz.”

    I thought back to the years of casseroles I’d consumed, the packets of Dream Whip, the frozen Tater Tots, the Wonder Bread and Ritz crackers. I was raised in the ‘70s within an Anglo Saxon cultural fog. Part Scottish, part Irish, part I-don’t-know-but-does-it-really-matter? Like so many of my friends, I grew up with no sense of Old World traditions. We were, well, Canadians. But we weren’t cakers.

    Were we?

    But to back peddle a bit – exactly how did this “mangiacake” business start up?


    There seems to be two possible origins. The first is that when Italian immigrants came to North America, they couldn’t afford luxuries like cake, so they were forced to sit and watch all the Anglos stuff their faces. Hence, “cake-eaters.” The second version claims that immigrant Italians considered North American bread too cake-like for their liking.

    Whatever the origins, the die was cast. The “mangiacake” was born.
     

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Horseball

    White bread is the only bread Korean and Japanese bakeries near me make. I guess it has come full circle and is now exotic.

  43. “It harks back to the days when Wonder Bread was prized as cool and modern…We are long past that now…”

    I’m not. I love Wonder Bread and think it is one of the minor miracles of modern science and civilization. And I tell everyone so, but I just can’t seem to get anyone to agree, regardless of their political orientation. And yes, they give me weird looks.

    I love all variety of freshly baked bread. But nothing factual, so far, has caused me to change my mind about Wonder Bread.

    I dare, dare, anyone to prove that there is anything harmful about Wonder Bread. Citations and statistically valid, significant studies please— hand-waving about the need for fiber and dark insinuations about ‘chemicals’ will not suffice.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @PiltdownMan

    I eat Wonder Bread (or similar locally baked breads) all the time: it's the perfect medium for peanut butter. It's also very good for bologna/ham and cheese, grilled cheese, and tuna salad.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Wheat breads, ryes, pumpernickels: those are fine for some sandwiches but not for all sandwiches.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @K.

    , @Dirk Dagger
    @PiltdownMan

    You are correct. Makes great toast too.

    , @Another Canadian
    @PiltdownMan

    You can't eat a proper club sandwich, BLT, S-O-S or Hot Brown without toasted Wonder Bread. And if you have never eaten those dishes you need to get out more. A few less artisanal croissants are in order.

    , @Bill
    @PiltdownMan

    I used to torture myself by reading Crooked Timber every day. I thought I was guarding myself against living in an echo chamber. Anyhow, the best article I ever read there was this one about Budweiser Beer.

    Budweiser has the same kind of anti-cultural cachet as does Wonder Bread. And, in the same way, it reveals the culture's domination by hateful, ignorant morons. Budweiser (and no, not the one from Budweis) is not only an excellent American Lager, it is the archetypal American Lager.

  44. @tbraton
    "For example, in 1951, NBC signed Uncle Miltie to a million dollar per year contract for 30 years."

    And they cancelled his show because of declining ratings two years later, an expensive lesson in the early days of TV. "Uncle Miltie" made out just fine. BTW I remember seeing (and liking) Woody Allen as a stand-up comedian in the late 50's-early 60's on the Tonight Show with Jack Paar and later Johnny Carson. His stand-up career was very short as he found a lucrative niche in the movie business. I didn't realize Woody Allen was considered "mass culture." I wouldn't have stayed up so late to watch him if I realized that.

    Replies: @Fiddlesticks, @whorefinder

    “For example, in 1951, NBC signed Uncle Miltie to a million dollar per year contract for 30 years.”

    $200K/year according to his official bio. ($1M would have been a heck of a lot in 1951 money, especially in pre-winner-take-all world)
    http://www.miltonberle.com/about/biography.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Fiddlesticks

    The million-dollars-per-year figure was from a Los Angeles Times article I read in 1981 on the NBC contract expiring. Perhaps that figure was hyperbole put out by PR men in 1951?

    Wikipedia says "one million:"

    "At one million dollars a year, NBC signed him to an exclusive, unprecedented 30-year television contract in 1951."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Berle

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @tbraton
    @Fiddlesticks

    I was inclined to believe Sailer even before seeing his Wikipedia cite since I remember, as a young child, how wildly popular his TV show was. And I have a distant memory of how NBC signed him to a really big contract that turned out to be very costly for NBC to swallow. Had the contract been a mere $200,000 a year, the story would not have been that big. They simply didn't realize in the very early days of TV what an insatiable monster network TV was. They were accustomed to the days of vaudeville when an act might last many years when the performer toured the small towns of America playing for a new audience for whom the much repeated material was very fresh. With TV, once it was on a show, millions watched it at the same time, and the writers had to come with new material for next week's show.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  45. @Anonymous
    @SPMoore8

    There always have been parallel cultures in America in certain fields like stage/acting, music, sports, food. All of these are less white-centric as the demographics get less white because blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Middle Easterners all are able to compete with whites in these areas to various extents.

    But in many other areas, or culture streams, there is truth to the perception that it's still white out there like the 1950's. We see this on this blog where Steve focuses on niches (some very large, some small) that are ironically filled with lefties who are all white.

    Whites still absolutely dominate these areas because the competition is simply not as successful in setting up a parallel culture in certain fields. Blacks and Hispanics have a narrow band of achievement as has been discussed here ad nauseum. Asians also have limited areas where they surpass whites.

    There are real world racial dynamics that make white football quarterbacks very difficult to replace. The same thing goes for many other cultural streams.

    Replies: @Hijab Porn

    Whites still absolutely dominate these areas because the competition is simply not as successful in setting up a parallel culture in certain fields. Blacks and Hispanics have a narrow band of achievement as has been discussed here ad nauseum. Asians also have limited areas where they surpass whites.

    Hart Celler Immigration Act of 1965 opened borders to the world which is the only way possible to displace whites from all power niches in their own country……

    Meaning no other single race could do it…

    But bring many talented tribes in to attack each niche individually and over time whites might be disempowered across the board…..

  46. @Cagey Beast
    @anony-mouse

    How does that "spoil the fun"? Please walk me through your thinking on this.

    Replies: @anony-mouse

    No mention of any Italians in his belief that ‘white bread’ has been used as an ethnic slur even though they use a similar term (that’s assuming they don’t also use the same term).

    Since you asked.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @anony-mouse


    No mention of any Italians in his belief that ‘white bread’ has been used as an ethnic slur even though they use a similar term (that’s assuming they don’t also use the same term).

    Since you asked.
     
    Probably because white bread is a far more common slur. And Jews are a lot more powerful than Italians
    , @Cagey Beast
    @anony-mouse

    ... and so Steve Sailer was engaging in mild criticism of Jews (ie. being a rabid anti-Semite) because Italian-Canadians have a similar phrase and Steve refused, refused(!!) to enter it as evidence in this vile canard of a show-trial, reminiscent of the darkest days of all-too-recent European history? Is that the jumble of thoughts buzzing around in your head? Go lock your windows and doors, I hear Father Coughlin is out tonight.

    Replies: @Bee

    , @Anonymous
    @anony-mouse

    The difference is that Italians haven't used the term to pathologize another culture through the leverage of pop culture and journalism. At worst, "mangiacake" has been a mild term of contempt for an aspect of a different culture.

  47. @Fiddlesticks
    @tbraton

    “For example, in 1951, NBC signed Uncle Miltie to a million dollar per year contract for 30 years.”

    $200K/year according to his official bio. ($1M would have been a heck of a lot in 1951 money, especially in pre-winner-take-all world)
    http://www.miltonberle.com/about/biography.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @tbraton

    The million-dollars-per-year figure was from a Los Angeles Times article I read in 1981 on the NBC contract expiring. Perhaps that figure was hyperbole put out by PR men in 1951?

    Wikipedia says “one million:”

    “At one million dollars a year, NBC signed him to an exclusive, unprecedented 30-year television contract in 1951.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Berle

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Steve Sailer

    I'm trying to find that L.A. Times article, and all I've found so far is this one, printed on Page 2 of the Calendar section on Sunday, September 13, 1981.

    Uncle Miltie: Out at NBC, But in, Perhaps, on Pluto?
    By David Crook

    Milton Berle's 30-year, $6-million contract with NBC expired the other day, 25 years after his original program with the network was canceled.

    In 1951, Berle, TV's first star, signed what was then an unprecedented type of agreement for an astronomical sum. Besides his regular salary, then $35,000 a week, Berle was guaranteed $200,000 a year until 1981. It was a way for NBC to retain the exclusive services of its superstar. Berle was to receive the money whether he appeared on a regular series or not.

    Berle had insisted on the unusual deal because his program, "Texaco Star Theater," was broadcast live and there were no reruns from which he could collect royalties.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  48. @Anonymous

    The term “white-bread,” I discovered a couple of years ago, has had an interesting evolution over the generations from a goal of consumer health and safety advocates to the ethnic slur that virtually nobody notices is an ethnic slur. The use of “white-bread” as an ethnic slur broke through into mass culture by its use by comedians such as Milton Berle, Mel Brooks, Jackie Mason, Woody Allen, and Harry Shearer.
     
    It's sort of a dated term or slur now. Midcentury suburban Americans bought bread from supermarkets where Wonderbread and similar mass produced white breads were often the only bread available, while in the big cities people in ethnic neighborhoods would have ryes and pumpernickels and the like from delis and ethnic grocers. Now of course even ordinary suburban supermarkets have all kinds of different whole grain breads and most white people don't even eat Wonderbread anymore. I think nowadays it's mostly blacks and lower class whites who eat highly refined white bread like Wonderbread regularly.

    "Mangiacake" (cake eater) and "caker" were similar terms in Canada coined by Italian-Canadians for Canadian WASPs because they ate highly refined white breads that were like cake compared to the real bread that Italian-Canadians had:

    https://cakercooking.blogspot.com/2011/05/whats-caker.html

    I don’t remember the first time I heard the word, or the context in which it was said. I didn’t know what a "caker" was, let alone a "mangiacake." It was only years later, when I settled into life with my Italian partner, that the word began popping up more and more.

    “What’s a caker?” I asked him once.

    “You know,” he replied. “Canadian.”

    “But you were born here. Aren’t you Canadian?”

    “Yes, but I still consider myself Italian.”

    “So then all Canadians are cakers?”

    “No. Only the ones who cook with Cheez Whiz.”

    I thought back to the years of casseroles I’d consumed, the packets of Dream Whip, the frozen Tater Tots, the Wonder Bread and Ritz crackers. I was raised in the ‘70s within an Anglo Saxon cultural fog. Part Scottish, part Irish, part I-don’t-know-but-does-it-really-matter? Like so many of my friends, I grew up with no sense of Old World traditions. We were, well, Canadians. But we weren’t cakers.

    Were we?

    But to back peddle a bit – exactly how did this “mangiacake” business start up?


    There seems to be two possible origins. The first is that when Italian immigrants came to North America, they couldn’t afford luxuries like cake, so they were forced to sit and watch all the Anglos stuff their faces. Hence, “cake-eaters.” The second version claims that immigrant Italians considered North American bread too cake-like for their liking.

    Whatever the origins, the die was cast. The “mangiacake” was born.
     

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Horseball

    I’ve heard Mangiacake in Buffalo, too. A lot of the Italians have relatives in Canada.

  49. @Mr. Anon
    The tendency of some Jews to use the phrase "white-bread" (they are not the only group to use it of course) as an implied perjorative term to describe WASP culture displays a certain Chutzpah. Blintzes, gefillte-fisch, latke, matzoh - the Ashkenazi are not exactly known for thier cuisine, are they? Klezmer music? It's equally funny when they deride rednecks as "inbred". Inbred? Really? Is that a charge they want to be throwing around casually?

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture

    Tobacco Road, Gods Little Acre and Deliverance were not written by Jews. They were written by southern whites of a better class. I grew up in the South. Poor, uneducated whites from the country were called “trash” and not by Jews. The “in bred” hillbilly was no Jewish joke.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Cwhatfuture

    "Tobacco Road, Gods Little Acre and Deliverance were not written by Jews. They were written by southern whites of a better class. I grew up in the South. Poor, uneducated whites from the country were called “trash” and not by Jews. The “in bred” hillbilly was no Jewish joke."

    Do you deny that Homo-NPRensis has a propensity to routinely deride rednecks as in-bred? Do you mean to say that Jews have not practiced in-breeding? Like - you know - massively?

    None-the-less, thanks for sort of proving my point.

    , @cthulhu
    @Cwhatfuture

    I grew up in the South too, around plenty of poor white trash. They were mostly unpleasant people, maybe even deserving of the epithets and discrimination heaped on them. But goddammit, they were our poor white trash, not anybody else's, and outsiders didn't have the right to make fun of them - that kind of broad brush tarred all of us. That's why terms like white-bread are offensive to me; even trailer trash deserve not to be called names by people who don't know them.

    Replies: @NOTA, @Jim Don Bob, @Brutusale

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Cwhatfuture

    "Tobacco Road, Gods Little Acre and Deliverance were not written by Jews. They were written by southern whites of a better class."

    Yeah. Who wrote and/or produced the movies?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  50. One is reminded of Señor Wences, Desi Arnaz and God knows how many others as well. Plus endless black people: how central to American mainstream culture was Satchmo, e.g., and for how long?

    It’s not as if everything forever was Lawrence Welk and The Lennon Sisters before 1965–the year of my birth, incidentally, when (I hope coincidentally) everything started going to shit.

    Also incidentally, for a time in the early 90s I lived in Venice, CA across the street from a couple of the Lennon Sisters. That was in a painstakingly restored bungalow, renting from my next-door neighbor Richard Egizi.

    Richard was a trombonist and arranger who was the actual executive conductor of the Love Unlimited Orchestra under Maestro Barry White. His father had been born in the Sultan’s Palace in Constantinople, where his father had been musical director for the Sultan.

    That’s the kind of thing that would have happened anyway in white-bread America, even if everyone else hadn’t subsequently shown up.

  51. @anony-mouse
    @Cagey Beast

    No mention of any Italians in his belief that 'white bread' has been used as an ethnic slur even though they use a similar term (that's assuming they don't also use the same term).

    Since you asked.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Cagey Beast, @Anonymous

    No mention of any Italians in his belief that ‘white bread’ has been used as an ethnic slur even though they use a similar term (that’s assuming they don’t also use the same term).

    Since you asked.

    Probably because white bread is a far more common slur. And Jews are a lot more powerful than Italians

  52. Bee says:

    Oh jeez, Steve, did the Jews f—k up again? Your delicate sensibilities are so easily offended.

    More ethnic slurs no one knows are ethnic slurs (or in other words, if a tree doesn’t fall in the forest, is Steve Sailer there to hear it? Probably).

    Anti-gentilism. It’s what’s for dinner.

    Check with your doctor to see if anti-gentilism is right for you.

    Right now, anti-gentilism is out there. Watching. Waiting. So don’t look; anti-gentilism will see you. Don’t breathe; anti-gentilism’ll hear you. Don’t turn around – anti-gentilism’s there!

    “You know, I think the real problem in America today is reverse anti-Semitism” – Pat Buchanan

    • Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @Bee

    Steve's tendency to you know, notice things seems to be unbalancing you mentally bubbele, so perhaps better for you to hang out over at Commentary instead.

  53. @Fiddlesticks
    @tbraton

    “For example, in 1951, NBC signed Uncle Miltie to a million dollar per year contract for 30 years.”

    $200K/year according to his official bio. ($1M would have been a heck of a lot in 1951 money, especially in pre-winner-take-all world)
    http://www.miltonberle.com/about/biography.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @tbraton

    I was inclined to believe Sailer even before seeing his Wikipedia cite since I remember, as a young child, how wildly popular his TV show was. And I have a distant memory of how NBC signed him to a really big contract that turned out to be very costly for NBC to swallow. Had the contract been a mere $200,000 a year, the story would not have been that big. They simply didn’t realize in the very early days of TV what an insatiable monster network TV was. They were accustomed to the days of vaudeville when an act might last many years when the performer toured the small towns of America playing for a new audience for whom the much repeated material was very fresh. With TV, once it was on a show, millions watched it at the same time, and the writers had to come with new material for next week’s show.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @tbraton

    I have no idea how much Milton Berle really got from NBC for 30 years from 1951 onward, all I know is that I read in the Los Angeles Times in 1981 was that NBC was now out from under its million dollar per year contract with Berle.

    Replies: @Bee, @PiltdownMan, @tbraton, @res

  54. Bee says:
    @Verymuchalive
    White-bread. Where did the hyphen come from? And what do multi-millionaire Jewish comedians eat rather than white bread ?
    Quaint British historical note. When white ( refined ) bread become available in the 1st half of the 20th Century, the upper classes switched rapidly to the new more expensive ( and promoted ) product. Now the only time British people eat white bread, apart from baguettes and other continental types, is when we make toast.
    White-bread as a derogatory term used by Jews for Mid-Westerners does seem very dated. Its as if they were still stuck in the 1940s.
    Oh, of course, they still ARE stuck in the 1940s !

    Replies: @Bee, @ben tillman, @Stan Adams, @Olorin

    “White-bread as a derogatory term used by Jews for Mid-Westerners does seem very dated. Its as if they were still stuck in the 1940s.
    Oh, of course, they still ARE stuck in the 1940s !”

    Weally?

    I hear and read “whitebread” used all the time by white people of all creeds, religions, and colors. It is even used about Jews.

    But I’m always wrong about everything, and your use of irony was rather delicious, appropriate, and funny, so…

  55. @SPMoore8
    "whitebread" may be a slur but so is "whole grain" and "whole grain with sprouts", which leads one to wonder what kind of bread is eaten in the various minority communities.

    However, to brand current American culture as "whitebread" is asinine. On the contrary, our culture hasn't been "bland", "middle of the road" or "white" in decades, for the simple reason that it doesn't sell. On the other hand, in film you have perpetual comic book knockoffs, high resolution cartoons with fart and bathroom jokes, franchises meant to empower women and teenage boys, edgy dramas featuring minority sex lives, on TV, 40 minute soap operas and 20 minute comedies that spend most of their time currying favor with minorities and exploring the feelings of female leads, with an occasional sensitive male allowed to burst into tears because of the terms of his ex-wive's custody agreement, and in music, a bunch of self-mutilated young people attempting to ape their African American betters in various odes to getting high, drunk, stoned, crunked, and engaging in degrading sex with with women. There's nothing "whitebread" about it.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @Anonymous, @SFG, @K., @Wade

    “which leads one to wonder what kind of bread is eaten in the various minority communities. ”

    Steve answers that question in his Taki’s Mag column “White Food”.

    tangent- Back in Maine, the Shakers like to say “The more white in your bread, the sooner your dead.”

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @K.

    A working class black schoolmate when I was growing up always had white bread in his house. He'd eat ham sandwiches on it with some kind of tangy sandwich spread -- like Miracle Whip with relish in it.

  56. @whorefinder
    Uncle Miltie once had a record 98% of all television sets in the country tuned into his show. He was so dominant the other networks (CBS and DuMont) debated whether to even put any programming all when he was on TV.

    But more to the point, the irony of Jewish comedians complaining about the goyim's tastes while they are, in fact, the goy's delight is a combination of Jewish-self-loathing with a comedian's self-denial that they aren't still edgy with the Jewish denial/paranoia about assimilation. Fifty Million people watched the Seinfeld conclusion and yet I'm sure most of the Jewish watchers were wondering if the goyim got the jokes.

    Replies: @Bee

    “I’m sure most of the Jewish watchers were wondering if the goyim got the jokes.”

    The finale of Seinfeld included jokes? Get the f–k out of town.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Bee

    I noted at the time (i.e. when I watched it the night of the finale) that the final episode didn't seem to have a laugh track---I thought Seinfeld was trying to deconstruct yet another sitcom trope. Since rewatching it in reruns, I hear the laugh track; I feel like they added the laugh track in to goose the episode (those laugh tracks were inserted into sitcoms for a very good reason---hearing others laugh will often prompt you to laugh).

    Anyway, as always, memory is faulty, so I could be completely wrong. Seinfeld's humor never appealed to me, so I wasn't going to laugh regardless, but I could appreciate the sitcom's greatness and power even if I wasn't going to get the giggles from it.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  57. Speaking of “white-bread”, it came up on Twitter recently:

    • Replies: @Amasius
    @Dave Pinsen

    Check out the little note at the end of the National Review piece. Derbyshire says "there's not a thing I can see to disagree with." It's laughable that that man gets called a White Supremacist.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Salger
    @Dave Pinsen

    Charles Murray is a shining example of how the Libertarian Party is currently the party for those who dig their guns and doubt Affirmative Action too much to vote Democrat, but dig weed and back faggotry too much to vote Republican. Watch Murray's hostility to Trump.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @NOTA

    , @NOTA
    @Dave Pinsen

    Read the whole (short) statement Murray made on immigration before commenting--his position strikes me as extremely sensible, and a starting point for the kind of discussion on immigration policy I wish we were having.

    , @Some Economist
    @Dave Pinsen

    Of course one Kashif Sheikh thinks Murray's best put lines happen to be the most shallow; consumerist diversity and acceptable classist, anti-white sentiments are good for Kashif.

  58. @PiltdownMan

    "It harks back to the days when Wonder Bread was prized as cool and modern...We are long past that now..."
     
    I'm not. I love Wonder Bread and think it is one of the minor miracles of modern science and civilization. And I tell everyone so, but I just can't seem to get anyone to agree, regardless of their political orientation. And yes, they give me weird looks.

    I love all variety of freshly baked bread. But nothing factual, so far, has caused me to change my mind about Wonder Bread.

    I dare, dare, anyone to prove that there is anything harmful about Wonder Bread. Citations and statistically valid, significant studies please— hand-waving about the need for fiber and dark insinuations about 'chemicals' will not suffice.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Dirk Dagger, @Another Canadian, @Bill

    I eat Wonder Bread (or similar locally baked breads) all the time: it’s the perfect medium for peanut butter. It’s also very good for bologna/ham and cheese, grilled cheese, and tuna salad.

    There’s absolutely nothing wrong with it. Wheat breads, ryes, pumpernickels: those are fine for some sandwiches but not for all sandwiches.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    @SPMoore8

    ... and bacon. Bacon sarnies are unimaginable if they don't involve rectangular slices of some sort of soggy Chorleywood-process blotting-paper. Accept no substitutes.

    , @K.
    @SPMoore8

    What sandwiches do you make with pumpernickel?

  59. @anony-mouse
    @Cagey Beast

    No mention of any Italians in his belief that 'white bread' has been used as an ethnic slur even though they use a similar term (that's assuming they don't also use the same term).

    Since you asked.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Cagey Beast, @Anonymous

    … and so Steve Sailer was engaging in mild criticism of Jews (ie. being a rabid anti-Semite) because Italian-Canadians have a similar phrase and Steve refused, refused(!!) to enter it as evidence in this vile canard of a show-trial, reminiscent of the darkest days of all-too-recent European history? Is that the jumble of thoughts buzzing around in your head? Go lock your windows and doors, I hear Father Coughlin is out tonight.

    • Replies: @Bee
    @Cagey Beast

    Um, Steve Sailer won't criticize Italians because he's married to one. Duh!

    "Anytime somebody orders a corned beef sandwich on white bread with mayonnaise, somewhere in the world, a Jew dies" - Milton Berle

    To be fair, that joke is deeply offensive. It does rather provoke the need for a safe space.

    BTW, this is another classic I hear around these parts: "As always, white guilt is about your ancestors being too ethnocentric, while Jewish guilt is about you not being ethnocentric enough for your ancestors.".

    As I understand it, "white guilt" means white people feeling guilty that their ancestors owned slaves, practiced colonialism, supported anti-female and anti-gay policies, etc.

    As I understand it, the "Jewish guilt" you're referring to means Jews feeling guilty that they, unlike their grandparents, don't fast on Yom Kippur, don't speak Yiddish, know little of their religion, aren't raising their children in the Jewish faith, etc.

    In short - yes, I can see how "White guilt" and "Jewish guilt" are quite comparable. It's frankly a little odd I didn't make the connection earlier.

    Replies: @Bill, @OilcanFloyd, @Gross Terry

  60. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Trelane


    Victim of low body fat index no doubt.
     
    Ha! Victim of being out of his element. Uncomfortable in nature, and that includes water.

    Hothouse flower is the expression. Supported by us and dependent on us. We're raising billions of 'em now.

    Replies: @K.

    I’ll see your hothouse and raise you an orchid.

  61. @Steve Sailer
    @Grandpa Jack

    Is the character Magneto inspired by Menachem Begin?

    Replies: @syonredux

    Is the character Magneto inspired by Menachem Begin?

    In his earliest appearances, he came across as a Nazi (Mutants as the master race , etc). The Jewish Holocaust survivor business was a much later retcon by Chris Claremont. Dunno if Claremont had Begin in mind.

    When Scots comic book writer Grant Morrison tried to get back to the Kirby-Lee Nazi-esque version of Magneto a few years back (complete with Magneto gassing normal humans en masse ), the fans revolted. MARVEL retconned Morrison’s story, saying that the Magneto who had appeared in his stories was an impostor.

  62. @anony-mouse
    @Cagey Beast

    No mention of any Italians in his belief that 'white bread' has been used as an ethnic slur even though they use a similar term (that's assuming they don't also use the same term).

    Since you asked.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Cagey Beast, @Anonymous

    The difference is that Italians haven’t used the term to pathologize another culture through the leverage of pop culture and journalism. At worst, “mangiacake” has been a mild term of contempt for an aspect of a different culture.

  63. @MEH 0910
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4use18Z9Lc

    Replies: @the cruncher

    If entertainment’s allowed, here’s Conan being called ‘whitebread’ by Pimpbot 5000:

  64. Reading the reviews of Mr. Levin’s book, he seems to be echoing Carroll Quigley in his last lecture series who already saw the same trends back in the mid 70’s appear. The loss of community, the rise of the atomized individual, loss of family and extended family, community, etc. And calls for them to be reinstated.

    But that’s easier said than done, especially in a era where the state has become all powerful and invasive. The only way I see how to avoid the state is to drop off the grid to a large extent and stop playing the game. The game being for most of us consists of going to college and loading up on debt in the hopes of landing a decent job at graduation. Then working a sucky job so you can go into massive debt so you can get a mortgage you can barely afford in a upscale neighborhood full of snobs you can’t stand and get your first heart attack 55 from stress and long hours. They you get to watch your wife and kids grow distant because of your 12 hour days, provided your job doesn’t get off-shored and you end up working as a greeter at Wal-Mart because no one in America hires people over the age of 45.

    Really that’s the American dream in a nutshell – courtesy of Wall Street, Madison Avenue and D.C.

    Can’t say it’s very appealing. Maybe to sadists but that’s it.

  65. @tbraton
    @Fiddlesticks

    I was inclined to believe Sailer even before seeing his Wikipedia cite since I remember, as a young child, how wildly popular his TV show was. And I have a distant memory of how NBC signed him to a really big contract that turned out to be very costly for NBC to swallow. Had the contract been a mere $200,000 a year, the story would not have been that big. They simply didn't realize in the very early days of TV what an insatiable monster network TV was. They were accustomed to the days of vaudeville when an act might last many years when the performer toured the small towns of America playing for a new audience for whom the much repeated material was very fresh. With TV, once it was on a show, millions watched it at the same time, and the writers had to come with new material for next week's show.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I have no idea how much Milton Berle really got from NBC for 30 years from 1951 onward, all I know is that I read in the Los Angeles Times in 1981 was that NBC was now out from under its million dollar per year contract with Berle.

    • Replies: @Bee
    @Steve Sailer

    I assume this is what you read in 1981 (scroll down to the right spot).
    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19811021&id=7uBOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HBQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7050,4522598&hl=en

    People & Places wire report that must have been carried in LA, too.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember reading Charlie Chaplin's autobiography, long ago, in which he said that his getting a million dollar salary circa 1917 was worldwide news.

    I looked it up. He signed with Mutual Film in 1916 for $670,000 plus a bonus likely equating to a million dollars or so. As he himself hints, not bad for a 26 year old who, with his brother Sidney, was in a Dickensian Victorian workhouse for boys only a couple of decades earlier. Some of his account of that can be read here.

    http://tinyurl.com/gnn7428

    As things turned out, the contract lasted only a year and was cancelled by mutual agreement. Chaplin went on to found United Artists a year after that.

    , @tbraton
    @Steve Sailer

    Although I don't have a specific newspaper cite, I do recall reading over the years that the contract Milton Berle had with NBC was for big bucks (and I don't regard $200,000 a year in 1951 as "big bucks"). Rumor had it that Uncle Milty did quite well by NBC without having to work a lot. He was also reputed to have "very big hands"---which allowed him to pick up those big checks.

    BTW I saw Marco Rubio being interviewed by a local newsman Sunday morning, and Rubio was shown in extreme close-up. His hands weren't showing, but I noticed that he had enormous ears, which I hadn't observed before. They appeared to run from above the eyebrow to his upper lip, well below his nose. I just looked at myself in the mirror and can attest that my ears run from just below the eyebrow to the end of my nose, and I consider my ears to be of normal size. Maybe that explains why he didn't do well in the Republican primaries. His decision to run again after all for his Senate seat sets up an interesting dynamic in Florida. He is obviously angling for a prime speaking spot at the Republican Convention to boost his Senate run, even though he still has a very lukewarm attitude toward Trump. (He mentioned it again yesterday.)In fact, he cites as a reason for running for the Senate again that he would serve as protection against President Clinton OR President Trump. I hope Trump doesn't reward this undeserving a**hole by giving him a prime speaking time at the Convention. I intend to vote for Trump and against (once again) Rubio for Senate because I consider Rubio to be a neocon war monger who is not trustworthy on immigration. The campaign in Florida should be very interesting since Trump and Rubio appear to be appealing to different constituencies, Trump against immigration and Rubio sort of for.

    , @res
    @Steve Sailer

    This reference says $200k: http://www.museum.tv/eotv/berlemilton.htm
    Here's a 1951 blurb from the Tribune, but no $ value: http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1951/04/01/page/71/article/milton-berle-signs-30-year-nbc-contract
    This also says $200k: http://www.miltonberle.com/about/biography.html
    This also says $200k: http://www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/featured_articles/20020329friday.html

    Two thoughts: Could the contract amount have changed over time (e.g. inflation adjusted)? Could the LAT article have said something like "30 year multi-million dollar contract" instead?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  66. @K.
    @SPMoore8

    "which leads one to wonder what kind of bread is eaten in the various minority communities. "

    Steve answers that question in his Taki's Mag column "White Food".

    tangent- Back in Maine, the Shakers like to say "The more white in your bread, the sooner your dead."

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    A working class black schoolmate when I was growing up always had white bread in his house. He’d eat ham sandwiches on it with some kind of tangy sandwich spread — like Miracle Whip with relish in it.

  67. Ironically Pawn Stars and American Pickers trade on the widespread and deep longing for the pre diverse, more interesting America. Global Kardashian and rap is boring. Hank Williams fascinating, ditto Elvis. Or Frank.

    Some White bread is too soft and has too much air bubbles, but most is pretty good.

    People want the old stuff because it was more interesting. Little Vietnam is boring, same old Vietnamese culture. Typcal Murray. You can never trust an Ivy. They hate hate hate the working and middle class.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Whiskey

    I'd happily do business with the American Picker's guys, and avoid the Pawn Star mob like the plague.

    My TV related question is : why isn't Mike Lowe's "Dirty Jobs" constantly being used to refute the lie of "Jobs Americans won't do"?

  68. Bee says:
    @Cagey Beast
    @anony-mouse

    ... and so Steve Sailer was engaging in mild criticism of Jews (ie. being a rabid anti-Semite) because Italian-Canadians have a similar phrase and Steve refused, refused(!!) to enter it as evidence in this vile canard of a show-trial, reminiscent of the darkest days of all-too-recent European history? Is that the jumble of thoughts buzzing around in your head? Go lock your windows and doors, I hear Father Coughlin is out tonight.

    Replies: @Bee

    Um, Steve Sailer won’t criticize Italians because he’s married to one. Duh!

    “Anytime somebody orders a corned beef sandwich on white bread with mayonnaise, somewhere in the world, a Jew dies” – Milton Berle

    To be fair, that joke is deeply offensive. It does rather provoke the need for a safe space.

    BTW, this is another classic I hear around these parts: “As always, white guilt is about your ancestors being too ethnocentric, while Jewish guilt is about you not being ethnocentric enough for your ancestors.”.

    As I understand it, “white guilt” means white people feeling guilty that their ancestors owned slaves, practiced colonialism, supported anti-female and anti-gay policies, etc.

    As I understand it, the “Jewish guilt” you’re referring to means Jews feeling guilty that they, unlike their grandparents, don’t fast on Yom Kippur, don’t speak Yiddish, know little of their religion, aren’t raising their children in the Jewish faith, etc.

    In short – yes, I can see how “White guilt” and “Jewish guilt” are quite comparable. It’s frankly a little odd I didn’t make the connection earlier.

    • Replies: @Bill
    @Bee

    Good thing Jewish hatred of whites isn't a thing.

    Replies: @Bee

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @Bee

    White guilt and Jewish guilt aren't comparable at all. First of all, whites have absolutely nothing to do with forming or pushing Jewish guilt, and I doubt that outsiders could even produce guilty feelings in Jews. Otherwise, white guilt holds all whites responsible for the actions of other whites, no matter what percentage of whites were involved, where or when, or if whites were also victimized by the bad whites. Jewish guilt seems to be about not being Jewish enough, pulling away from manipulating mothers or not marrying within the tribe, without any consideration that Jews have ever harmed non-Jews.

    The sense of victimhood among whites and Jews is more interesting. Whites tend to be upset about double standards in name-calling, reverse discrimination, anti-white violence that is called anything but, minority hypocrisy, etc., all of which is glaringly obvious. Whites also tend to be restrained in their reactions, and most action is taken on the individual level. Jews tend to consider themselves to be victims of whatever happens to any Jew, anywhere, at any time, and tend to blame everyone else for what happened to any Jew. Jews also seek tribal vengeance under the phony banner of social justice, which is why Jews everywhere get to be holocaust victims, and even white Americans with absolutely no ties to Germany get to be honorary Nazis, and help pay for things that German Nazis may or may not have done.

    , @Gross Terry
    @Bee

    never forget the Homocaust. over 6 billion gays executed by AIDS just for the crime of wanting to appear on government propaganda chastely holding hands.

  69. Funny. I always thought it was white-bred. Bred amongst Whites.

  70. White bread immediately became popular across all class lines back in the day because it was simple to see if there were bugs in it.

    • Replies: @David
    @james wilson

    That's an interesting possibility. I've never seen a reference to it.

    I think it's funny that no one has pointed out the original incentive to produce white bread, to eliminate the fiber so our digestive systems don't need to process it. Stories of sophisticated Europeans being put off by American white bread upon arrive are likely fake. An Italian peasant like an American one would readily appreciate the advantages of low fiber food.

    On the banks of the Ohio river where I first opened my eyes, a typical dinner was corn bread and black-eyed peas. Take out he corn bread and replace with Wonder Bread, and the typical turd is reduced by 30 or 40%. Seriously, if you try to live off the land, one of the major inconveniences is the sheer amount of fiber you need to move through yourself.

    Sort of like chairs and counter tops, the biggest modern conveniences go almost completely unnoticed.

  71. @Cwhatfuture
    @Mr. Anon

    Tobacco Road, Gods Little Acre and Deliverance were not written by Jews. They were written by southern whites of a better class. I grew up in the South. Poor, uneducated whites from the country were called "trash" and not by Jews. The "in bred" hillbilly was no Jewish joke.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @cthulhu, @Mr. Anon

    “Tobacco Road, Gods Little Acre and Deliverance were not written by Jews. They were written by southern whites of a better class. I grew up in the South. Poor, uneducated whites from the country were called “trash” and not by Jews. The “in bred” hillbilly was no Jewish joke.”

    Do you deny that Homo-NPRensis has a propensity to routinely deride rednecks as in-bred? Do you mean to say that Jews have not practiced in-breeding? Like – you know – massively?

    None-the-less, thanks for sort of proving my point.

  72. @Cwhatfuture
    @Mr. Anon

    Tobacco Road, Gods Little Acre and Deliverance were not written by Jews. They were written by southern whites of a better class. I grew up in the South. Poor, uneducated whites from the country were called "trash" and not by Jews. The "in bred" hillbilly was no Jewish joke.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @cthulhu, @Mr. Anon

    I grew up in the South too, around plenty of poor white trash. They were mostly unpleasant people, maybe even deserving of the epithets and discrimination heaped on them. But goddammit, they were our poor white trash, not anybody else’s, and outsiders didn’t have the right to make fun of them – that kind of broad brush tarred all of us. That’s why terms like white-bread are offensive to me; even trailer trash deserve not to be called names by people who don’t know them.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @cthulhu

    This is the critical thing that folks who want to abolish ties of nation, religion, race, language, etc. miss. When we are all atomized and fed into the market and the meritocracy, some people end up on the bottom, through luck or bad choices or lack of brains. To the extent the successful among us see the losers as "our losers," there is some hope for some kind of compasionate treatment of the people at the bottom. To the extent the successful see the losers entirely as "them," we get a much nastier world, with everyone trying to get away from the loser class, drive them from their kids' schools and neighborhoods, etc.

    We can figure out how (with a lot of propaganda and public shaming) to suppress ties based on nationalism, race, religion, language, etc. But nothing can suppress human tribalism, so that just means we strengthen ties based on class and occupation and shared interests, which means the winner class has little concern for the loser class.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @cthulhu

    Right. They are our fellow citizens, and their opinions count just as much as everyone else's. I think much of Trump's popularity is his FU attitude towards the Establishment.

    , @Brutusale
    @cthulhu

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVgbFttx-6I

  73. @Steve Sailer
    @tbraton

    I have no idea how much Milton Berle really got from NBC for 30 years from 1951 onward, all I know is that I read in the Los Angeles Times in 1981 was that NBC was now out from under its million dollar per year contract with Berle.

    Replies: @Bee, @PiltdownMan, @tbraton, @res

    I assume this is what you read in 1981 (scroll down to the right spot).
    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19811021&id=7uBOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=HBQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7050,4522598&hl=en

    People & Places wire report that must have been carried in LA, too.

  74. @Cwhatfuture
    @Mr. Anon

    Tobacco Road, Gods Little Acre and Deliverance were not written by Jews. They were written by southern whites of a better class. I grew up in the South. Poor, uneducated whites from the country were called "trash" and not by Jews. The "in bred" hillbilly was no Jewish joke.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @cthulhu, @Mr. Anon

    “Tobacco Road, Gods Little Acre and Deliverance were not written by Jews. They were written by southern whites of a better class.”

    Yeah. Who wrote and/or produced the movies?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Mr. Anon

    You can look the answers to those questions up on IMDB, if you're curious. For example, the screenplay for Deliverance was written by the same guy who wrote the novel, James Dickey. And it was produced by the director John Boorman (same guy who directed Excalibur): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068473/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  75. @European-American
    Not directly related, but speaking of ethnic slurs (and can we agree we are fine with them, even when they are against us, since they carry a lot of truth in these bs times?)...

    In France a term that is being used more and more is "petits blancs", "little whites". It can be derogatory or patronizing, but not always. Little whites are the white people left behind by globalization. White people without much power, except on the occasion of a rare populist revolt. White people who may suffer from being in a "very diverse" neighborhood. Little whites tend to be whitebread, and may eat at McDonald's etc., though some are also adapting to these multicultural times if they can't afford to flee their declining (what's the opposite of gentrifying?) hallalized neighborhood or can no longer afford their gentrifying neighborhood.
    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q="petits+blancs"

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted

    S’ils n’ont pas de pain blanc, qu’ils mangent du khobz – Merkel-Angèle, reine de l’Europe

    • Replies: @Mark Caplan
    @Expletive Deleted

    khobz = pita

  76. @SFG
    @SPMoore8

    Ironically, it's frequently 'shock jock' stuff like 'South Park' that actually criticizes PC culture.

    I basically agree with you otherwise. It's weird to look at old movies and see gangsters like Al Capone wearing hats and dressed well. People know something's been lost--look at the popularity of stuff like Mad Men--but aren't sure what. Even the popularity of fantasy stuff like Tolkien suggests people are longing for some sort of spiritual content, I'd argue. Of course the Middle Ages were much more like Game of Thrones!

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “Of course the Middle Ages were much more like Game of Thrones!”

    Not necessarily. George R.R. Martin has projected a lot of his own nihilism and degeneracy onto the middle ages.

    • Replies: @StAugustine
    @Mr. Anon

    I don't know about that- I picked up a book on Queens and Courtesans of France, and it's a pretty bloody and treacherous history before say, 1400. Lots of brothers and sisters and cousins fighting for the inheritance. No dragons of course. The story about the two princesses who were openly cheating on their princes stood out-the girls got banished to prison/convents, but the cads got flayed alive. Ouch.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  77. @SPMoore8
    @PiltdownMan

    I eat Wonder Bread (or similar locally baked breads) all the time: it's the perfect medium for peanut butter. It's also very good for bologna/ham and cheese, grilled cheese, and tuna salad.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Wheat breads, ryes, pumpernickels: those are fine for some sandwiches but not for all sandwiches.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @K.

    … and bacon. Bacon sarnies are unimaginable if they don’t involve rectangular slices of some sort of soggy Chorleywood-process blotting-paper. Accept no substitutes.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  78. @Mr. Anon
    @Cwhatfuture

    "Tobacco Road, Gods Little Acre and Deliverance were not written by Jews. They were written by southern whites of a better class."

    Yeah. Who wrote and/or produced the movies?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    You can look the answers to those questions up on IMDB, if you’re curious. For example, the screenplay for Deliverance was written by the same guy who wrote the novel, James Dickey. And it was produced by the director John Boorman (same guy who directed Excalibur): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068473/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    "You can look the answers to those questions up on IMDB, if you’re curious."

    Gosh, really? I never knew. Yeah, I did.

    Tobacco Road - Producer: Daryl F. Zanuck.

    God's Little Acre - Writer: Phillip Yordan, real name Ben Maddow (a black-listed commie).

    Why did you choose to only mention Deliverance?

    And who ran the studio that made Deliverance and green-lighted it?

    I'm not saying that Deliverance wasn't a good movie (it was) and shouldn't have been made (why not make it?). But - are you claiming that Jews have nothing to do with the movie business and nothing to do with what movies do or do not get made? That's a view that would tend to be at odds with reality.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Bee, @Cwhatfuture

  79. @Steve Sailer
    @tbraton

    I have no idea how much Milton Berle really got from NBC for 30 years from 1951 onward, all I know is that I read in the Los Angeles Times in 1981 was that NBC was now out from under its million dollar per year contract with Berle.

    Replies: @Bee, @PiltdownMan, @tbraton, @res

    I remember reading Charlie Chaplin’s autobiography, long ago, in which he said that his getting a million dollar salary circa 1917 was worldwide news.

    I looked it up. He signed with Mutual Film in 1916 for $670,000 plus a bonus likely equating to a million dollars or so. As he himself hints, not bad for a 26 year old who, with his brother Sidney, was in a Dickensian Victorian workhouse for boys only a couple of decades earlier. Some of his account of that can be read here.

    http://tinyurl.com/gnn7428

    As things turned out, the contract lasted only a year and was cancelled by mutual agreement. Chaplin went on to found United Artists a year after that.

  80. @PiltdownMan

    "It harks back to the days when Wonder Bread was prized as cool and modern...We are long past that now..."
     
    I'm not. I love Wonder Bread and think it is one of the minor miracles of modern science and civilization. And I tell everyone so, but I just can't seem to get anyone to agree, regardless of their political orientation. And yes, they give me weird looks.

    I love all variety of freshly baked bread. But nothing factual, so far, has caused me to change my mind about Wonder Bread.

    I dare, dare, anyone to prove that there is anything harmful about Wonder Bread. Citations and statistically valid, significant studies please— hand-waving about the need for fiber and dark insinuations about 'chemicals' will not suffice.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Dirk Dagger, @Another Canadian, @Bill

    You are correct. Makes great toast too.

  81. @Mr. Anon
    @SFG

    "Of course the Middle Ages were much more like Game of Thrones!"

    Not necessarily. George R.R. Martin has projected a lot of his own nihilism and degeneracy onto the middle ages.

    Replies: @StAugustine

    I don’t know about that- I picked up a book on Queens and Courtesans of France, and it’s a pretty bloody and treacherous history before say, 1400. Lots of brothers and sisters and cousins fighting for the inheritance. No dragons of course. The story about the two princesses who were openly cheating on their princes stood out-the girls got banished to prison/convents, but the cads got flayed alive. Ouch.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @StAugustine

    "I picked up a book on Queens and Courtesans of France, and it’s a pretty bloody and treacherous history before say, 1400. Lots of brothers and sisters and cousins fighting for the inheritance."

    Congratulations. You read a book. Now you just have to stay at a Holiday Inn, and you'll know everything there is to know.

    The bowlderization of medieval history is itself an exercise in anti-whiteness. A whole era in the founding of modern Europe is simply written off as bloody, unthinking barbarism. It was not just that. Christianity actually represented a level of moral restraint which, though not perfect, did have a civilizing influence. Even if people committed outrageous crimes, at least they might feel guilty about them. Martin's universe contains no christianity (as a good doctrinaire lefty he probably despises it). It seems to be just the Grand Guignol aspects of the middle-ages all thrown together and mixed up into a big bloody stew of depravity.

    Replies: @SFG

  82. Lot says:
    @SFG
    @Lot

    Actually...yeah. Levin can't say 'white', so he says 'whitebread'.

    His point is still (from the summary of the summary, I haven't read his actual book) that the GOP should ditch white culture, which makes little sense given the popularity of Trump. The reformocons had some good ideas but their failure to acknowledge the importance of ethnonationalism basically meant they were never going to get anywhere on the right (even though some, like Frum, supported cutting immigration). Though 'small is beautiful' would probably allow small towns to preserve their culture to some degree.

    Replies: @Lot, @Bill

    which makes little sense given the popularity of Trump

    Unfortunately he is not very popular. I was excited and pleased by his politically incorrect positions getting him the GOP nomination. But he needs to pivot to the left hard to win the general. Instead he’s doing more to please his core supporters. We are already with him, and he is now as much as 11 points behind in polls.

    Brexit showed that nationalism is subject to a Shy Tory effect. Brexit ending up running about 7 points ahead of the poll averages. I would feel OK for this reason if Trump were down 3. But he’s losing and growing in unpopularity. The Trump U and judge fight turned swing voters against him.

    • Replies: @Amasius
    @Lot

    The US is much more badly compromised demographically than the UK, which makes the Brexit/Trump parallel dubious. The British are ~85% White, whereas we're down around 60%. It's just a terrible mountain to climb. But it's all going to come down to the three key swing states, and Trump is within striking distance in those. It's a long shot, but we have to try.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    , @Salger
    @Lot

    Meanwhile Ronald Reagen got the presidency despite apparently polling so low.

    Tip: Trotting out polls to show how backed up or not Trump is will be silly unless the polls don't underrepresent the sorts who you'd expect to vote Trump.

    , @Bill
    @Lot

    He is already on Clinton's left. He has to make the case that he's there. He has to convince habitually Democrat-voting whites that he is actually a better fit for them than is Clinton. He has to convince them that Cultural Marxism is not what they believe in. He has to convince them that helping working class people is what they believe in. That may be hopeless, of course, but that's his task. It's a very clean choice, this election. Clinton is the conservative candidate, and Trump is the progressive candidate.

  83. @Bee
    @whorefinder

    "I’m sure most of the Jewish watchers were wondering if the goyim got the jokes."

    The finale of Seinfeld included jokes? Get the f--k out of town.

    Replies: @whorefinder

    I noted at the time (i.e. when I watched it the night of the finale) that the final episode didn’t seem to have a laugh track—I thought Seinfeld was trying to deconstruct yet another sitcom trope. Since rewatching it in reruns, I hear the laugh track; I feel like they added the laugh track in to goose the episode (those laugh tracks were inserted into sitcoms for a very good reason—hearing others laugh will often prompt you to laugh).

    Anyway, as always, memory is faulty, so I could be completely wrong. Seinfeld‘s humor never appealed to me, so I wasn’t going to laugh regardless, but I could appreciate the sitcom’s greatness and power even if I wasn’t going to get the giggles from it.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @whorefinder

    Anti-Semitic, huh?

  84. @tbraton
    "For example, in 1951, NBC signed Uncle Miltie to a million dollar per year contract for 30 years."

    And they cancelled his show because of declining ratings two years later, an expensive lesson in the early days of TV. "Uncle Miltie" made out just fine. BTW I remember seeing (and liking) Woody Allen as a stand-up comedian in the late 50's-early 60's on the Tonight Show with Jack Paar and later Johnny Carson. His stand-up career was very short as he found a lucrative niche in the movie business. I didn't realize Woody Allen was considered "mass culture." I wouldn't have stayed up so late to watch him if I realized that.

    Replies: @Fiddlesticks, @whorefinder

    Yeah, NBC figured that TV would be like radio, where a show anchored/led by a major star could last for a very very long time. Plus Berle’s incredible ratings power at the beginning made NBC think that even if his ratings declined, it wouldn’t be precipitous.

    Like old generals fighting the last war, NBC was orienting its business model around the previous technology. They learned better.

  85. @Jack Cade
    You forgot the parens around all those names. The term seems old-fashioned to me, and I'm 56. I always figured it referred to people (in the 40's and 50's) who could afford (white) Wonder Bread as opposed to the ethnics/poor kids who ate .. whatever it was they ate. My Dad worked for Wonder Bread, so I (almost) knew no other, but our family actually preferred the rye breads, and home made darker stuff which i love now but hated as a kid. Like cracker, it's a hate term for suburban middle-class white people, the most hated of all socio-ethnic groups. (of which I'm a proud member, nonetheless).

    Replies: @Amasius, @Miss Laura, @TheJester

    The only one I wasn’t sure about offhand was Milton Berle, but I looked him up and sure enough he was too, real name Mendel Berlinger. (((lol)))

  86. @Lot
    @SFG


    which makes little sense given the popularity of Trump
     
    Unfortunately he is not very popular. I was excited and pleased by his politically incorrect positions getting him the GOP nomination. But he needs to pivot to the left hard to win the general. Instead he's doing more to please his core supporters. We are already with him, and he is now as much as 11 points behind in polls.

    Brexit showed that nationalism is subject to a Shy Tory effect. Brexit ending up running about 7 points ahead of the poll averages. I would feel OK for this reason if Trump were down 3. But he's losing and growing in unpopularity. The Trump U and judge fight turned swing voters against him.

    Replies: @Amasius, @Salger, @Bill

    The US is much more badly compromised demographically than the UK, which makes the Brexit/Trump parallel dubious. The British are ~85% White, whereas we’re down around 60%. It’s just a terrible mountain to climb. But it’s all going to come down to the three key swing states, and Trump is within striking distance in those. It’s a long shot, but we have to try.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    @Amasius

    The estimates of the white vote in 2012 lie between 72% and 76% -- and it may have been higher.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/10/upshot/there-are-more-white-voters-than-people-think-thats-good-news-for-trump.html?_r=0

    Certainly if the white vote is particularly motivated -- and there's some good evidence Trump is having that effect on his supporters -- it could go higher.

    Now The Man of the People, Mr. Bain Capital, got about 59% of the white vote in 2012. But if you do the arithmetic on this, even a 60% win among white voters, if they constitute 76% of the electorate, gets a candidate to 45.6% of the vote, requiring for a win only 4.4% from the remaining 24% of the electorate -- or 18% of the remaining. If a candidate were to reach 62% of the white vote, he would require only 12% of the remaining -- probably a near certainty to achieve.

    If the candidate inspires more than 76% of the white vote to get out, then the numbers improve from this, of course.

  87. @whorefinder
    @Bee

    I noted at the time (i.e. when I watched it the night of the finale) that the final episode didn't seem to have a laugh track---I thought Seinfeld was trying to deconstruct yet another sitcom trope. Since rewatching it in reruns, I hear the laugh track; I feel like they added the laugh track in to goose the episode (those laugh tracks were inserted into sitcoms for a very good reason---hearing others laugh will often prompt you to laugh).

    Anyway, as always, memory is faulty, so I could be completely wrong. Seinfeld's humor never appealed to me, so I wasn't going to laugh regardless, but I could appreciate the sitcom's greatness and power even if I wasn't going to get the giggles from it.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Anti-Semitic, huh?

  88. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of "white-bread", it came up on Twitter recently:
    https://twitter.com/mksheikh/status/744909255338262528

    Replies: @Amasius, @Salger, @NOTA, @Some Economist

    Check out the little note at the end of the National Review piece. Derbyshire says “there’s not a thing I can see to disagree with.” It’s laughable that that man gets called a White Supremacist.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Amasius

    I asked Murray on Twitter if he would have been comfortable living in Little Chechnya (one of 30 Rock's fictional rough NYC neighborhoods, along with Knuckle Beach).

  89. @PiltdownMan

    "It harks back to the days when Wonder Bread was prized as cool and modern...We are long past that now..."
     
    I'm not. I love Wonder Bread and think it is one of the minor miracles of modern science and civilization. And I tell everyone so, but I just can't seem to get anyone to agree, regardless of their political orientation. And yes, they give me weird looks.

    I love all variety of freshly baked bread. But nothing factual, so far, has caused me to change my mind about Wonder Bread.

    I dare, dare, anyone to prove that there is anything harmful about Wonder Bread. Citations and statistically valid, significant studies please— hand-waving about the need for fiber and dark insinuations about 'chemicals' will not suffice.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Dirk Dagger, @Another Canadian, @Bill

    You can’t eat a proper club sandwich, BLT, S-O-S or Hot Brown without toasted Wonder Bread. And if you have never eaten those dishes you need to get out more. A few less artisanal croissants are in order.

  90. @Steve Sailer
    @tbraton

    I have no idea how much Milton Berle really got from NBC for 30 years from 1951 onward, all I know is that I read in the Los Angeles Times in 1981 was that NBC was now out from under its million dollar per year contract with Berle.

    Replies: @Bee, @PiltdownMan, @tbraton, @res

    Although I don’t have a specific newspaper cite, I do recall reading over the years that the contract Milton Berle had with NBC was for big bucks (and I don’t regard $200,000 a year in 1951 as “big bucks”). Rumor had it that Uncle Milty did quite well by NBC without having to work a lot. He was also reputed to have “very big hands”—which allowed him to pick up those big checks.

    BTW I saw Marco Rubio being interviewed by a local newsman Sunday morning, and Rubio was shown in extreme close-up. His hands weren’t showing, but I noticed that he had enormous ears, which I hadn’t observed before. They appeared to run from above the eyebrow to his upper lip, well below his nose. I just looked at myself in the mirror and can attest that my ears run from just below the eyebrow to the end of my nose, and I consider my ears to be of normal size. Maybe that explains why he didn’t do well in the Republican primaries. His decision to run again after all for his Senate seat sets up an interesting dynamic in Florida. He is obviously angling for a prime speaking spot at the Republican Convention to boost his Senate run, even though he still has a very lukewarm attitude toward Trump. (He mentioned it again yesterday.)In fact, he cites as a reason for running for the Senate again that he would serve as protection against President Clinton OR President Trump. I hope Trump doesn’t reward this undeserving a**hole by giving him a prime speaking time at the Convention. I intend to vote for Trump and against (once again) Rubio for Senate because I consider Rubio to be a neocon war monger who is not trustworthy on immigration. The campaign in Florida should be very interesting since Trump and Rubio appear to be appealing to different constituencies, Trump against immigration and Rubio sort of for.

  91. With left fist raised up high… White bread??? Damn Straight!!!

  92. @Lot
    @SFG


    which makes little sense given the popularity of Trump
     
    Unfortunately he is not very popular. I was excited and pleased by his politically incorrect positions getting him the GOP nomination. But he needs to pivot to the left hard to win the general. Instead he's doing more to please his core supporters. We are already with him, and he is now as much as 11 points behind in polls.

    Brexit showed that nationalism is subject to a Shy Tory effect. Brexit ending up running about 7 points ahead of the poll averages. I would feel OK for this reason if Trump were down 3. But he's losing and growing in unpopularity. The Trump U and judge fight turned swing voters against him.

    Replies: @Amasius, @Salger, @Bill

    Meanwhile Ronald Reagen got the presidency despite apparently polling so low.

    Tip: Trotting out polls to show how backed up or not Trump is will be silly unless the polls don’t underrepresent the sorts who you’d expect to vote Trump.

  93. @james wilson
    White bread immediately became popular across all class lines back in the day because it was simple to see if there were bugs in it.

    Replies: @David

    That’s an interesting possibility. I’ve never seen a reference to it.

    I think it’s funny that no one has pointed out the original incentive to produce white bread, to eliminate the fiber so our digestive systems don’t need to process it. Stories of sophisticated Europeans being put off by American white bread upon arrive are likely fake. An Italian peasant like an American one would readily appreciate the advantages of low fiber food.

    On the banks of the Ohio river where I first opened my eyes, a typical dinner was corn bread and black-eyed peas. Take out he corn bread and replace with Wonder Bread, and the typical turd is reduced by 30 or 40%. Seriously, if you try to live off the land, one of the major inconveniences is the sheer amount of fiber you need to move through yourself.

    Sort of like chairs and counter tops, the biggest modern conveniences go almost completely unnoticed.

  94. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of "white-bread", it came up on Twitter recently:
    https://twitter.com/mksheikh/status/744909255338262528

    Replies: @Amasius, @Salger, @NOTA, @Some Economist

    Charles Murray is a shining example of how the Libertarian Party is currently the party for those who dig their guns and doubt Affirmative Action too much to vote Democrat, but dig weed and back faggotry too much to vote Republican. Watch Murray’s hostility to Trump.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Salger

    I wonder what party there is for David Frum, who hates immigration and guns.

    , @NOTA
    @Salger

    Murray has been pretty clear about his objections to Trump for quite awhile. They're mostly about Trump's character and understanding, not about his positions. And in fact, Trump's positions are probably closer to Murray's in many areas (like immigration) than, say, Romney's positions.

    Politics is a team sport, and it's fun putting on your jersey and cheering on your side, but it's also important not to let the team spirit overwhelm your brain. Murray has been talking sense on all sorts of issues, bravely and in the face of some quite nasty opposition, for the last three decades or so. When he says he thinks Trump is unsuited by temprament to be president, I think that's actually what he means--the same way I think he means it when he talks openly about the importance of intelligence as measured by IQ scores, the black/white IQ difference, the nature of affirmative action, etc. He's demonstrated over many years that he's willing to say stuff that will piss off his friends and ideological allies if he thinks it's true. That gives him a lot more credibility than someone like Karl Rove, who will demonstrably say whatever he thinks will give him and his side a momentary advantage.

    Replies: @Salger

  95. @Steve Sailer
    @The Z Blog

    Working in the White House doesn't pay well, it's the work you get in the private sector after you worked in the White House that makes your fortune.

    Replies: @The Z Blog

    Goldberg’s wife would have fell into a senior job at DOJ where she worked under Bush. That’s $90-100K plus benefits. It’s not hip-hop money, but it is nothing to sneeze at. Throw in the extras and the fact it is second income and you can see why the so many people around here have a beach house somewhere like the Outer Banks.

  96. @SFG
    @Lot

    Actually...yeah. Levin can't say 'white', so he says 'whitebread'.

    His point is still (from the summary of the summary, I haven't read his actual book) that the GOP should ditch white culture, which makes little sense given the popularity of Trump. The reformocons had some good ideas but their failure to acknowledge the importance of ethnonationalism basically meant they were never going to get anywhere on the right (even though some, like Frum, supported cutting immigration). Though 'small is beautiful' would probably allow small towns to preserve their culture to some degree.

    Replies: @Lot, @Bill

    Though ‘small is beautiful’ would probably allow small towns to preserve their culture to some degree.

    Absolutely not.

    A few years ago, frontporchrepublic.com (the standard-bearer for small is beautiful, localist conservakins) was criticized for its incipient racism. Obviously, taking the side of small-town America, neighborhood America, and the like has to be racist. It literally cannot be otherwise. You are taking the side of places which get their unique culture from the people who live there and from their folkways. An Italian neighborhood which is 33% Italian, 33% black, and 33% Mexican isn’t an Italian neighborhood any more.

    Shockingly, to me at the time, the clown show over there vigorously denied that they were racist and vigorously denied that the localism they were defending would be threatend by changing the ethnic character of the localities. So, no, under even the least pressure, localist conservakins will sacrifice the localisms they theoretically favor to the god of the Multicult.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Bill

    One more time:

    Patriotism is a love of the Patria: the Land, its people and their customs. A concept that has been deliberately perverted by the thieving elite looters of the West and perverted into first Nationalism; Love of the State, then Globalism, "love" of nothing.
    That the idea that the US and Europe can be turned into comfortable retirement homes staffed and paid for by pleasant and obeisant, productive and well assimilated pig ignorant fleeing peasants is astonishing, yet that’s what we are asked to believe.
    Societies succeed because they've built up, usually over centuries, a widely accepted and practiced set of behaviors; social capital built up of predictable actions and attitudes and beliefs. The core of the culture.
    Immigrants; who do not have that ingrained culture are likely to be destructive of social capital and destructive to the host society. Despite the gibberish of the lunatic left most people recognize this and quite rightly reject the attempt to destroy their society in pursuit of a crazed political fantasy.

  97. @Lot
    @SFG


    which makes little sense given the popularity of Trump
     
    Unfortunately he is not very popular. I was excited and pleased by his politically incorrect positions getting him the GOP nomination. But he needs to pivot to the left hard to win the general. Instead he's doing more to please his core supporters. We are already with him, and he is now as much as 11 points behind in polls.

    Brexit showed that nationalism is subject to a Shy Tory effect. Brexit ending up running about 7 points ahead of the poll averages. I would feel OK for this reason if Trump were down 3. But he's losing and growing in unpopularity. The Trump U and judge fight turned swing voters against him.

    Replies: @Amasius, @Salger, @Bill

    He is already on Clinton’s left. He has to make the case that he’s there. He has to convince habitually Democrat-voting whites that he is actually a better fit for them than is Clinton. He has to convince them that Cultural Marxism is not what they believe in. He has to convince them that helping working class people is what they believe in. That may be hopeless, of course, but that’s his task. It’s a very clean choice, this election. Clinton is the conservative candidate, and Trump is the progressive candidate.

  98. @Jack Cade
    You forgot the parens around all those names. The term seems old-fashioned to me, and I'm 56. I always figured it referred to people (in the 40's and 50's) who could afford (white) Wonder Bread as opposed to the ethnics/poor kids who ate .. whatever it was they ate. My Dad worked for Wonder Bread, so I (almost) knew no other, but our family actually preferred the rye breads, and home made darker stuff which i love now but hated as a kid. Like cracker, it's a hate term for suburban middle-class white people, the most hated of all socio-ethnic groups. (of which I'm a proud member, nonetheless).

    Replies: @Amasius, @Miss Laura, @TheJester

    Cracker here. We ate cornbread. Light bread, most likely yeast rolls, was for special occasions such as Sunday dinner.

  99. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of "white-bread", it came up on Twitter recently:
    https://twitter.com/mksheikh/status/744909255338262528

    Replies: @Amasius, @Salger, @NOTA, @Some Economist

    Read the whole (short) statement Murray made on immigration before commenting–his position strikes me as extremely sensible, and a starting point for the kind of discussion on immigration policy I wish we were having.

  100. @cthulhu
    @Cwhatfuture

    I grew up in the South too, around plenty of poor white trash. They were mostly unpleasant people, maybe even deserving of the epithets and discrimination heaped on them. But goddammit, they were our poor white trash, not anybody else's, and outsiders didn't have the right to make fun of them - that kind of broad brush tarred all of us. That's why terms like white-bread are offensive to me; even trailer trash deserve not to be called names by people who don't know them.

    Replies: @NOTA, @Jim Don Bob, @Brutusale

    This is the critical thing that folks who want to abolish ties of nation, religion, race, language, etc. miss. When we are all atomized and fed into the market and the meritocracy, some people end up on the bottom, through luck or bad choices or lack of brains. To the extent the successful among us see the losers as “our losers,” there is some hope for some kind of compasionate treatment of the people at the bottom. To the extent the successful see the losers entirely as “them,” we get a much nastier world, with everyone trying to get away from the loser class, drive them from their kids’ schools and neighborhoods, etc.

    We can figure out how (with a lot of propaganda and public shaming) to suppress ties based on nationalism, race, religion, language, etc. But nothing can suppress human tribalism, so that just means we strengthen ties based on class and occupation and shared interests, which means the winner class has little concern for the loser class.

  101. Yeah, white bread is a phrase that grates on the consciousness of Heritage Americans.

    But the term Redneck is pretty common, and even worse.

    Redneck! There’s a tiresome ethnic slur that elites and suck-ups use to denigrate Heritage Americans.

    I’m a redneck. I’m well educated, made OK money, I’m from southern West Virginia, and I know very well what it’s like to work in the field.

    My ol’ Dad always said that November was his least favorite month, “…it’s cold and wet, and you still had to go out there and dig potatoes.” He was a helluva guy, he learned his lessons and eventually progressed pretty far for a man that started out in the holler. He was a redneck.

    So all you schedenfreude folk who love to call us white bread or redneck, why, you can just stuff it where the sun don’t shine!

  102. @cthulhu
    @Cwhatfuture

    I grew up in the South too, around plenty of poor white trash. They were mostly unpleasant people, maybe even deserving of the epithets and discrimination heaped on them. But goddammit, they were our poor white trash, not anybody else's, and outsiders didn't have the right to make fun of them - that kind of broad brush tarred all of us. That's why terms like white-bread are offensive to me; even trailer trash deserve not to be called names by people who don't know them.

    Replies: @NOTA, @Jim Don Bob, @Brutusale

    Right. They are our fellow citizens, and their opinions count just as much as everyone else’s. I think much of Trump’s popularity is his FU attitude towards the Establishment.

  103. @PiltdownMan

    "It harks back to the days when Wonder Bread was prized as cool and modern...We are long past that now..."
     
    I'm not. I love Wonder Bread and think it is one of the minor miracles of modern science and civilization. And I tell everyone so, but I just can't seem to get anyone to agree, regardless of their political orientation. And yes, they give me weird looks.

    I love all variety of freshly baked bread. But nothing factual, so far, has caused me to change my mind about Wonder Bread.

    I dare, dare, anyone to prove that there is anything harmful about Wonder Bread. Citations and statistically valid, significant studies please— hand-waving about the need for fiber and dark insinuations about 'chemicals' will not suffice.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Dirk Dagger, @Another Canadian, @Bill

    I used to torture myself by reading Crooked Timber every day. I thought I was guarding myself against living in an echo chamber. Anyhow, the best article I ever read there was this one about Budweiser Beer.

    Budweiser has the same kind of anti-cultural cachet as does Wonder Bread. And, in the same way, it reveals the culture’s domination by hateful, ignorant morons. Budweiser (and no, not the one from Budweis) is not only an excellent American Lager, it is the archetypal American Lager.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
  104. @Bee
    @Cagey Beast

    Um, Steve Sailer won't criticize Italians because he's married to one. Duh!

    "Anytime somebody orders a corned beef sandwich on white bread with mayonnaise, somewhere in the world, a Jew dies" - Milton Berle

    To be fair, that joke is deeply offensive. It does rather provoke the need for a safe space.

    BTW, this is another classic I hear around these parts: "As always, white guilt is about your ancestors being too ethnocentric, while Jewish guilt is about you not being ethnocentric enough for your ancestors.".

    As I understand it, "white guilt" means white people feeling guilty that their ancestors owned slaves, practiced colonialism, supported anti-female and anti-gay policies, etc.

    As I understand it, the "Jewish guilt" you're referring to means Jews feeling guilty that they, unlike their grandparents, don't fast on Yom Kippur, don't speak Yiddish, know little of their religion, aren't raising their children in the Jewish faith, etc.

    In short - yes, I can see how "White guilt" and "Jewish guilt" are quite comparable. It's frankly a little odd I didn't make the connection earlier.

    Replies: @Bill, @OilcanFloyd, @Gross Terry

    Good thing Jewish hatred of whites isn’t a thing.

    • Replies: @Bee
    @Bill

    Pretty sure no one who suffers from "Jewish guilt" ever thought to themselves, "Gosh, I wish I hated non-Jews like my grandpa did. This is a failing on my part".

    P.S., anything that's "anti-white" refers to Jews, too, since whenever anyone lists off, say, "old white men", they include Jews, too, i.e. Steve Sailer's computer programming article, or when someone counts billionaires, tech company owners, actors, directors, etc. and complains there are too many white people involved.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  105. @Dave Pinsen
    @Mr. Anon

    You can look the answers to those questions up on IMDB, if you're curious. For example, the screenplay for Deliverance was written by the same guy who wrote the novel, James Dickey. And it was produced by the director John Boorman (same guy who directed Excalibur): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068473/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “You can look the answers to those questions up on IMDB, if you’re curious.”

    Gosh, really? I never knew. Yeah, I did.

    Tobacco Road – Producer: Daryl F. Zanuck.

    God’s Little Acre – Writer: Phillip Yordan, real name Ben Maddow (a black-listed commie).

    Why did you choose to only mention Deliverance?

    And who ran the studio that made Deliverance and green-lighted it?

    I’m not saying that Deliverance wasn’t a good movie (it was) and shouldn’t have been made (why not make it?). But – are you claiming that Jews have nothing to do with the movie business and nothing to do with what movies do or do not get made? That’s a view that would tend to be at odds with reality.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    Daryl F. Zanuck -- not Jewish, a Protestant from Wahoo, Nebraska.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/01/movies/film-darryl-f-zanuck-action-hero-of-the-studio-era.html?pagewanted=1

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @syonredux
    @Mr. Anon


    God’s Little Acre – Writer: Phillip Yordan, real name Ben Maddow (a black-listed commie).
     
    On the other hand, the novel upon which the film was based was written by Erskine Caldwell:

    Caldwell was born on December 17, 1903, in the small community White Oak in Coweta County, Georgia. He was the only child of Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church minister Ira Sylvester Caldwell and his schoolteacher wife Caroline Preston (née Bell) Caldwell. Rev. Caldwell's ministry necessitated moving the family throughout the South, including the states of Florida, Virginia, Tennessee, South Carolina and North Carolina. When he was 15 years old, his family settled in Wrens, Georgia.[4] His mother Carrie was from Virginia. Her ancestry included English nobility which held large land grants in eastern Virginia. Both her English ancestors and Scots-Irish ancestors fought in the American Revolution. Ira Caldwell's ancestors were Scots-Irish and had also been in the country since before the revolution and had fought in it.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erskine_Caldwell
    , @syonredux
    @Mr. Anon

    Interesting. It seems that Erskine Caldwell was another Leftist who was into eugenics:


    Erskine Preston Caldwell (December 17, 1903 – April 11, 1987) was an American author.[1][2] His writings about poverty, racism and social problems in his native Southern United States in novels such as Tobacco Road and God's Little Acre won him critical acclaim, but also made him controversial among Southerners of the time who felt he was deprecating the people of the region. Caldwell was a supporter of eugenics at a time it was gaining in popularity in the United States, and his novels can be read as promoting new legislation requiring involuntary sterilization.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erskine_Caldwell

    Two primary manifestations of the eugenics movement in America were the involuntary sterilization of certain classes of people, including the mentally ill and disabled and some types of criminals, and the “family study,” genealogical reports that traced criminal behavior, immorality, and mental problems throughout family trees to determine whether the characteristics are inheritable. Both family studies and sterilization proved to be important fodder for American literary authors, who made significant use of the rhetoric of family and propagation. Erskine Caldwell's Tobacco Road is particularly interesting to read with eugenics in mind, for the 1932 novel is intrinsically bound up with issues of breeding, heredity, and degeneration. Caldwell's text, which he characterized as literary realism, relies not only on the genre of family study in general but more particularly on a study conducted by Caldwell's father in 1928 and published two years later in the journal Eugenics; Ira Caldwell had attempted to rescue a poor white family from what he saw as the conditions of their ongoing degeneracy but was rejected completely by the family, leading to his renunciation of many of his social reform ideals in favor of sterilization programs. Erskine Caldwell drew heavily on his father's failed attempt at reform, and Tobacco Road ultimately argues for the sterilization of Georgia's poor whites, but with the pessimistic caveat that the problems of degeneracy and rural poverty have no final solution. Caldwell's manipulation of his audience, his observation of his father's eugenics experimentation, and his use of extended metaphors, both mechanical and agricultural, for family all create a deeply cynical novel that condemns America's economic modus operandi for the living conditions of the poor but also condemns those poor as being permanently beyond help. In the end, Caldwell argues that the poor – in both money and breeding – will be always with us and that we are doomed to witness the full horror of their degradation without the possibility of either relieving their plight or eradicating them.
     
    http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=107643
    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Mr. Anon

    I looked up Deliverance because it was the only one of them I'd seen. Had no idea who had written, directed, or produced it before I did.

    , @Bee
    @Mr. Anon

    The dad from Greek Wedding strikes again! "Greeks created everything great" / "Jews ruined my life by doing everything bad, and also by making Deliverance".

    Never mind non-Jew Zanuck, but the point is, even if every last person involved in Deliverance was Jewish, Jews were still responsible for an endless amount of films glorifying small town American life in the 1930s/40s/50s, etc., probably all the way to some films today.

    David O. Selznick even produced the Hollywood glorification of Southern antebellum life, Gone with the Wind.

    Replies: @SFG, @Mr. Anon

    , @Cwhatfuture
    @Mr. Anon

    Are we claiming Jews have nothing to do with the movie business?

    No we were claiming that the demeaning and denigration of uneducated poor southern whites as "in bred" was a Gentile invention by some famous writers. And it was.

    You were the one who stated ranting about Jews in the movie industry.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  106. @StAugustine
    @Mr. Anon

    I don't know about that- I picked up a book on Queens and Courtesans of France, and it's a pretty bloody and treacherous history before say, 1400. Lots of brothers and sisters and cousins fighting for the inheritance. No dragons of course. The story about the two princesses who were openly cheating on their princes stood out-the girls got banished to prison/convents, but the cads got flayed alive. Ouch.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “I picked up a book on Queens and Courtesans of France, and it’s a pretty bloody and treacherous history before say, 1400. Lots of brothers and sisters and cousins fighting for the inheritance.”

    Congratulations. You read a book. Now you just have to stay at a Holiday Inn, and you’ll know everything there is to know.

    The bowlderization of medieval history is itself an exercise in anti-whiteness. A whole era in the founding of modern Europe is simply written off as bloody, unthinking barbarism. It was not just that. Christianity actually represented a level of moral restraint which, though not perfect, did have a civilizing influence. Even if people committed outrageous crimes, at least they might feel guilty about them. Martin’s universe contains no christianity (as a good doctrinaire lefty he probably despises it). It seems to be just the Grand Guignol aspects of the middle-ages all thrown together and mixed up into a big bloody stew of depravity.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Mr. Anon

    That is true, although I doubt debates over Scholasticism would have made good television (or even good pleasure reading for most people).

    You're probably right that the spiritual and romantic aspects of the Middle Ages do attract many people without their realizing it--the idea of the knight devoted to a noble ideal, courtly love, and so on. And some guys grow up on World of Warcraft and become curious about the 'real thing'. It's not as if everyone born before 1700 was a blood-soaked barbarian. People did all the things they do now--eat, sleep, work, have kids, die, minus electric lighting, cars, and internet of course.

    Still, things were a lot more brutal back then--life was short, and you were more likely to die of famine or plague than at a Red Wedding. And the nobles were constantly warring and killing each other, with the Church often trying to cut down on the worst abuses. It was frequently corrupt, but then how would you characterize our modern institutions, with their SJW priestpersons handing down sentences for PC sins and demanding penance through sensitivity training?

    So were the Middle Ages worse? The morality's an open argument, I'll give you that, and perhaps the traditional families were good for psychological health, but I'd rather make it to 70 without worrying about plague.

  107. @Verymuchalive
    White-bread. Where did the hyphen come from? And what do multi-millionaire Jewish comedians eat rather than white bread ?
    Quaint British historical note. When white ( refined ) bread become available in the 1st half of the 20th Century, the upper classes switched rapidly to the new more expensive ( and promoted ) product. Now the only time British people eat white bread, apart from baguettes and other continental types, is when we make toast.
    White-bread as a derogatory term used by Jews for Mid-Westerners does seem very dated. Its as if they were still stuck in the 1940s.
    Oh, of course, they still ARE stuck in the 1940s !

    Replies: @Bee, @ben tillman, @Stan Adams, @Olorin

    White-bread. Where did the hyphen come from?

    It came from the term being made into an adjective. Multi-word adjectives are hyphenated.

  108. @Jack Cade
    You forgot the parens around all those names. The term seems old-fashioned to me, and I'm 56. I always figured it referred to people (in the 40's and 50's) who could afford (white) Wonder Bread as opposed to the ethnics/poor kids who ate .. whatever it was they ate. My Dad worked for Wonder Bread, so I (almost) knew no other, but our family actually preferred the rye breads, and home made darker stuff which i love now but hated as a kid. Like cracker, it's a hate term for suburban middle-class white people, the most hated of all socio-ethnic groups. (of which I'm a proud member, nonetheless).

    Replies: @Amasius, @Miss Laura, @TheJester

    The ability to eat “white bread” … Wonder Bread … was a status symbol in the 1950s. I guess it meant your family had the income to buy bleached-white, processed bread from a factory as the start of what has became an unwholesome processed food diet.

    It appears this meant homemade rolls other other breads were “out” and factory-produced sliced bread was “in”. In fact, there were popular expressions I still remember such as “the best thing since sliced bread” and “as good as sliced bread” as a way of praising something via an analogy with Wonder Bread.

    A side note: My father-in-law, a cereal chemist, was responsible for a lot of the additives bakeries used to cut short the fermenting and other processes, allowing factory bread to be made in 1/4 or less time than traditional bread making. His approach was to artificially introduce the end products of these processes to allow bakeries to get to the baking stage as quickly as possible. He died in 1976. I have no idea if his additives have been replaced by other additives or purged from the factory-baked bread processes for health or marketing reasons.

  109. @Trelane
    @slumber_j

    Victim of low body fat index no doubt. Well conditioned athletes with very low body fat (say, under 10%) are subject to "lack of buoyancy" which has been associated with "drowning".

    Magnolia state American drownded. Film at 11.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Stealth, @Dirk Dagger

    Michael Phelps is pretty lean. Has a lot of mass, too, for a supposed non doper.

  110. @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    "You can look the answers to those questions up on IMDB, if you’re curious."

    Gosh, really? I never knew. Yeah, I did.

    Tobacco Road - Producer: Daryl F. Zanuck.

    God's Little Acre - Writer: Phillip Yordan, real name Ben Maddow (a black-listed commie).

    Why did you choose to only mention Deliverance?

    And who ran the studio that made Deliverance and green-lighted it?

    I'm not saying that Deliverance wasn't a good movie (it was) and shouldn't have been made (why not make it?). But - are you claiming that Jews have nothing to do with the movie business and nothing to do with what movies do or do not get made? That's a view that would tend to be at odds with reality.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Bee, @Cwhatfuture

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    I stand corrected. I guess the name Daryl should have been a hint. In my defense, nobody else seemed to spot my mistake besides you.

    Replies: @syonredux

  111. @Trelane
    @slumber_j

    Victim of low body fat index no doubt. Well conditioned athletes with very low body fat (say, under 10%) are subject to "lack of buoyancy" which has been associated with "drowning".

    Magnolia state American drownded. Film at 11.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Stealth, @Dirk Dagger

    No doubt? College kid and drowned … intoxicants just might be involved, possibly?

  112. Trump is against free trade and other aspects of the unimpeded market; notably uncritical of the big federal social welfare programs; not visibly religious, personally restrained or engaged in community life; and in every other particular seems to be opposed to everything Levin is for.

    (Continued…) Trump’s success this year also demonstrates that even among Republican primary voters, let alone the public at large, the ideas of conservative intellectuals in Washington may have a limited resonance.

    This was one big reason why I’ve had confidence in Trump’s ability to win from the beginning. Liberal journalists need to chill out. Hell the guys a better democrat than Hillary is, minus the pro-LGBT slant. In effect, and I hate to admit it, he’s rather like her husband was in 1994 after the republicans handed him his ass in the mid term elections, minus NAFTA.

    I think he’s bound to win as this stuff sinks into the populace’s mind. Trump does probably need to change his tone so his message will get the chance it deserves among liberal voters.

  113. @SPMoore8
    "whitebread" may be a slur but so is "whole grain" and "whole grain with sprouts", which leads one to wonder what kind of bread is eaten in the various minority communities.

    However, to brand current American culture as "whitebread" is asinine. On the contrary, our culture hasn't been "bland", "middle of the road" or "white" in decades, for the simple reason that it doesn't sell. On the other hand, in film you have perpetual comic book knockoffs, high resolution cartoons with fart and bathroom jokes, franchises meant to empower women and teenage boys, edgy dramas featuring minority sex lives, on TV, 40 minute soap operas and 20 minute comedies that spend most of their time currying favor with minorities and exploring the feelings of female leads, with an occasional sensitive male allowed to burst into tears because of the terms of his ex-wive's custody agreement, and in music, a bunch of self-mutilated young people attempting to ape their African American betters in various odes to getting high, drunk, stoned, crunked, and engaging in degrading sex with with women. There's nothing "whitebread" about it.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @Anonymous, @SFG, @K., @Wade

    “ape their African American betters”

    I cannot abide this. This was very, very racist.

  114. Don’t you mean bread that believes it is white?

  115. @Amasius
    @Lot

    The US is much more badly compromised demographically than the UK, which makes the Brexit/Trump parallel dubious. The British are ~85% White, whereas we're down around 60%. It's just a terrible mountain to climb. But it's all going to come down to the three key swing states, and Trump is within striking distance in those. It's a long shot, but we have to try.

    Replies: @candid_observer

    The estimates of the white vote in 2012 lie between 72% and 76% — and it may have been higher.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/10/upshot/there-are-more-white-voters-than-people-think-thats-good-news-for-trump.html?_r=0

    Certainly if the white vote is particularly motivated — and there’s some good evidence Trump is having that effect on his supporters — it could go higher.

    Now The Man of the People, Mr. Bain Capital, got about 59% of the white vote in 2012. But if you do the arithmetic on this, even a 60% win among white voters, if they constitute 76% of the electorate, gets a candidate to 45.6% of the vote, requiring for a win only 4.4% from the remaining 24% of the electorate — or 18% of the remaining. If a candidate were to reach 62% of the white vote, he would require only 12% of the remaining — probably a near certainty to achieve.

    If the candidate inspires more than 76% of the white vote to get out, then the numbers improve from this, of course.

  116. @Bee
    Oh jeez, Steve, did the Jews f---k up again? Your delicate sensibilities are so easily offended.

    More ethnic slurs no one knows are ethnic slurs (or in other words, if a tree doesn't fall in the forest, is Steve Sailer there to hear it? Probably).

    Anti-gentilism. It's what's for dinner.

    Check with your doctor to see if anti-gentilism is right for you.

    Right now, anti-gentilism is out there. Watching. Waiting. So don't look; anti-gentilism will see you. Don't breathe; anti-gentilism'll hear you. Don't turn around - anti-gentilism's there!

    "You know, I think the real problem in America today is reverse anti-Semitism" - Pat Buchanan

    Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Steve’s tendency to you know, notice things seems to be unbalancing you mentally bubbele, so perhaps better for you to hang out over at Commentary instead.

  117. @Bee
    @Cagey Beast

    Um, Steve Sailer won't criticize Italians because he's married to one. Duh!

    "Anytime somebody orders a corned beef sandwich on white bread with mayonnaise, somewhere in the world, a Jew dies" - Milton Berle

    To be fair, that joke is deeply offensive. It does rather provoke the need for a safe space.

    BTW, this is another classic I hear around these parts: "As always, white guilt is about your ancestors being too ethnocentric, while Jewish guilt is about you not being ethnocentric enough for your ancestors.".

    As I understand it, "white guilt" means white people feeling guilty that their ancestors owned slaves, practiced colonialism, supported anti-female and anti-gay policies, etc.

    As I understand it, the "Jewish guilt" you're referring to means Jews feeling guilty that they, unlike their grandparents, don't fast on Yom Kippur, don't speak Yiddish, know little of their religion, aren't raising their children in the Jewish faith, etc.

    In short - yes, I can see how "White guilt" and "Jewish guilt" are quite comparable. It's frankly a little odd I didn't make the connection earlier.

    Replies: @Bill, @OilcanFloyd, @Gross Terry

    White guilt and Jewish guilt aren’t comparable at all. First of all, whites have absolutely nothing to do with forming or pushing Jewish guilt, and I doubt that outsiders could even produce guilty feelings in Jews. Otherwise, white guilt holds all whites responsible for the actions of other whites, no matter what percentage of whites were involved, where or when, or if whites were also victimized by the bad whites. Jewish guilt seems to be about not being Jewish enough, pulling away from manipulating mothers or not marrying within the tribe, without any consideration that Jews have ever harmed non-Jews.

    The sense of victimhood among whites and Jews is more interesting. Whites tend to be upset about double standards in name-calling, reverse discrimination, anti-white violence that is called anything but, minority hypocrisy, etc., all of which is glaringly obvious. Whites also tend to be restrained in their reactions, and most action is taken on the individual level. Jews tend to consider themselves to be victims of whatever happens to any Jew, anywhere, at any time, and tend to blame everyone else for what happened to any Jew. Jews also seek tribal vengeance under the phony banner of social justice, which is why Jews everywhere get to be holocaust victims, and even white Americans with absolutely no ties to Germany get to be honorary Nazis, and help pay for things that German Nazis may or may not have done.

  118. @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    "You can look the answers to those questions up on IMDB, if you’re curious."

    Gosh, really? I never knew. Yeah, I did.

    Tobacco Road - Producer: Daryl F. Zanuck.

    God's Little Acre - Writer: Phillip Yordan, real name Ben Maddow (a black-listed commie).

    Why did you choose to only mention Deliverance?

    And who ran the studio that made Deliverance and green-lighted it?

    I'm not saying that Deliverance wasn't a good movie (it was) and shouldn't have been made (why not make it?). But - are you claiming that Jews have nothing to do with the movie business and nothing to do with what movies do or do not get made? That's a view that would tend to be at odds with reality.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Bee, @Cwhatfuture

    God’s Little Acre – Writer: Phillip Yordan, real name Ben Maddow (a black-listed commie).

    On the other hand, the novel upon which the film was based was written by Erskine Caldwell:

    Caldwell was born on December 17, 1903, in the small community White Oak in Coweta County, Georgia. He was the only child of Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church minister Ira Sylvester Caldwell and his schoolteacher wife Caroline Preston (née Bell) Caldwell. Rev. Caldwell’s ministry necessitated moving the family throughout the South, including the states of Florida, Virginia, Tennessee, South Carolina and North Carolina. When he was 15 years old, his family settled in Wrens, Georgia.[4] His mother Carrie was from Virginia. Her ancestry included English nobility which held large land grants in eastern Virginia. Both her English ancestors and Scots-Irish ancestors fought in the American Revolution. Ira Caldwell’s ancestors were Scots-Irish and had also been in the country since before the revolution and had fought in it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erskine_Caldwell

  119. @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    "You can look the answers to those questions up on IMDB, if you’re curious."

    Gosh, really? I never knew. Yeah, I did.

    Tobacco Road - Producer: Daryl F. Zanuck.

    God's Little Acre - Writer: Phillip Yordan, real name Ben Maddow (a black-listed commie).

    Why did you choose to only mention Deliverance?

    And who ran the studio that made Deliverance and green-lighted it?

    I'm not saying that Deliverance wasn't a good movie (it was) and shouldn't have been made (why not make it?). But - are you claiming that Jews have nothing to do with the movie business and nothing to do with what movies do or do not get made? That's a view that would tend to be at odds with reality.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Bee, @Cwhatfuture

    Interesting. It seems that Erskine Caldwell was another Leftist who was into eugenics:

    Erskine Preston Caldwell (December 17, 1903 – April 11, 1987) was an American author.[1][2] His writings about poverty, racism and social problems in his native Southern United States in novels such as Tobacco Road and God’s Little Acre won him critical acclaim, but also made him controversial among Southerners of the time who felt he was deprecating the people of the region. Caldwell was a supporter of eugenics at a time it was gaining in popularity in the United States, and his novels can be read as promoting new legislation requiring involuntary sterilization.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erskine_Caldwell

    Two primary manifestations of the eugenics movement in America were the involuntary sterilization of certain classes of people, including the mentally ill and disabled and some types of criminals, and the “family study,” genealogical reports that traced criminal behavior, immorality, and mental problems throughout family trees to determine whether the characteristics are inheritable. Both family studies and sterilization proved to be important fodder for American literary authors, who made significant use of the rhetoric of family and propagation. Erskine Caldwell’s Tobacco Road is particularly interesting to read with eugenics in mind, for the 1932 novel is intrinsically bound up with issues of breeding, heredity, and degeneration. Caldwell’s text, which he characterized as literary realism, relies not only on the genre of family study in general but more particularly on a study conducted by Caldwell’s father in 1928 and published two years later in the journal Eugenics; Ira Caldwell had attempted to rescue a poor white family from what he saw as the conditions of their ongoing degeneracy but was rejected completely by the family, leading to his renunciation of many of his social reform ideals in favor of sterilization programs. Erskine Caldwell drew heavily on his father’s failed attempt at reform, and Tobacco Road ultimately argues for the sterilization of Georgia’s poor whites, but with the pessimistic caveat that the problems of degeneracy and rural poverty have no final solution. Caldwell’s manipulation of his audience, his observation of his father’s eugenics experimentation, and his use of extended metaphors, both mechanical and agricultural, for family all create a deeply cynical novel that condemns America’s economic modus operandi for the living conditions of the poor but also condemns those poor as being permanently beyond help. In the end, Caldwell argues that the poor – in both money and breeding – will be always with us and that we are doomed to witness the full horror of their degradation without the possibility of either relieving their plight or eradicating them.

    http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=107643

  120. @Bee
    @Cagey Beast

    Um, Steve Sailer won't criticize Italians because he's married to one. Duh!

    "Anytime somebody orders a corned beef sandwich on white bread with mayonnaise, somewhere in the world, a Jew dies" - Milton Berle

    To be fair, that joke is deeply offensive. It does rather provoke the need for a safe space.

    BTW, this is another classic I hear around these parts: "As always, white guilt is about your ancestors being too ethnocentric, while Jewish guilt is about you not being ethnocentric enough for your ancestors.".

    As I understand it, "white guilt" means white people feeling guilty that their ancestors owned slaves, practiced colonialism, supported anti-female and anti-gay policies, etc.

    As I understand it, the "Jewish guilt" you're referring to means Jews feeling guilty that they, unlike their grandparents, don't fast on Yom Kippur, don't speak Yiddish, know little of their religion, aren't raising their children in the Jewish faith, etc.

    In short - yes, I can see how "White guilt" and "Jewish guilt" are quite comparable. It's frankly a little odd I didn't make the connection earlier.

    Replies: @Bill, @OilcanFloyd, @Gross Terry

    never forget the Homocaust. over 6 billion gays executed by AIDS just for the crime of wanting to appear on government propaganda chastely holding hands.

  121. Yeah, I don’t get all the reboots, sequels, superhero movies and such coming out of Hollywood these days. At least the dumb movies about street racing make sense as a way of entertaining the low-IQ Hispanic market.

    Mexicans love comic books. Short on words, long on pictures.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Svigor

    When I see photos of fantasy/SF conventions, the attendees almost always appear to be white.

    The obvious reason for sequels and reboots is because they seem lower-risk: producers hope fans of the previous incarnations will watch the new ones.

    Star Trek is an interesting case of deliberately dumbing down and increasing the action levels to appeal to a broader base though.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @syonredux
    @Svigor


    Mexicans love comic books. Short on words, long on pictures.
     
    Dunno. American comic books have grown pretty damn wordy over the last 20 years or so. Most of the Mexican-Americans that I've known don't read anything at all. Video games seem to occupy their leisure time.

    Replies: @Jack D

  122. On the banks of the Ohio river where I first opened my eyes, a typical dinner was corn bread and black-eyed peas.

    That’s a traditional staple here in the low country, too. Mmmm, cornbread (with a chunk of butter) and black-eyed peas. Coupla pork chops and some collard greens and you’re set.

    And on the contrary, proper SOS involves lots of cheddar (in the sauce) and goes well with whole grain toast, or drop biscuits.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Svigor

    We skways had cornbread with navy beans and ham hocks.

  123. Whites are the only group allowed to be mocked, because whites have been the most competent. Its similar to why you can’t make fun of Special Olympians.

    By this logic, Jews are the least competent people on Earth, by far.

  124. The tendency of some Jews to use the phrase “white-bread” (they are not the only group to use it of course) as an implied perjorative term to describe WASP culture displays a certain Chutzpah. Blintzes, gefillte-fisch, latke, matzoh – the Ashkenazi are not exactly known for thier cuisine, are they? Klezmer music? It’s equally funny when they deride rednecks as “inbred”. Inbred? Really? Is that a charge they want to be throwing around casually?

    I made the same point about Jewish food in comment #7, but I don’t think it’s gonna make it out of moderation. I too make the point about Jewish inbreeding any time Jews throw the “inbred” label around (sometimes I make it when non-Jews throw it around). Definite glass house there.

  125. I’m gonna try for an uptown girl / She’s been living in her white bread world / As long as anyone with hot blood can / And now she’s looking for a downtown man…

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Some Economist



    I’m gonna try for an uptown girl / She’s been living in her white bread world / As long as anyone with hot blood can / And now she’s looking for a downtown man…

     

    Too everyone arguing that the white-bread world referred to is about class an not race, watch the video and observe how the director chose the ethnicity of the actors to play the roles. The actress chosen was Christie Brinkley, a blonde white woman whose parent's names were Hudson and Bowling, with a 100% black and ethnic cast for the mechanics.

    Billy Joel - Uptown Girl

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  126. res says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @tbraton

    I have no idea how much Milton Berle really got from NBC for 30 years from 1951 onward, all I know is that I read in the Los Angeles Times in 1981 was that NBC was now out from under its million dollar per year contract with Berle.

    Replies: @Bee, @PiltdownMan, @tbraton, @res

    This reference says $200k: http://www.museum.tv/eotv/berlemilton.htm
    Here’s a 1951 blurb from the Tribune, but no $ value: http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1951/04/01/page/71/article/milton-berle-signs-30-year-nbc-contract
    This also says $200k: http://www.miltonberle.com/about/biography.html
    This also says $200k: http://www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/featured_articles/20020329friday.html

    Two thoughts: Could the contract amount have changed over time (e.g. inflation adjusted)? Could the LAT article have said something like “30 year multi-million dollar contract” instead?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @res

    No, I imagine the million dollar per year thing was hyperbole. I'll take it out of my post.

  127. I prefer white bread to brown bread, and I would never ever eat red bread, black bread, or yellow bread.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    @Calogero

    Wow, Mr. Sailer gets many comments.

    If I see a flat that only has white factory bread, I immediately assume poor taste in food, and the inhabitant always demonstrates the same in other ways, if eating out.

    The only time I really liked it overseas, was for making 'jaffles', you put in fillings then enclose the two slices in metal and lightly bake to make something like a pie or a calcione.

    Very tasty with the right fillings.

    Brown bread: Nutritionally, not generally much better than hyper-refined white bread, some varieties are good.

    Black bread: Traditional main choice of white populations in much of central and eastern Europe, it is good for the gut, and has a good flavour.

    Yellow bread: I had an oven overseas, so I taught myself to make corn bread from polenta, it was very delicious from the second attempt.

    No home ovens and no polenta in Japan.

    Red bread: Never heard of it, so must suppose you just fail badly at metaphor.

    Too much sugar in white bread here, apart from some bakeries that make good baguettes, it turns from toast to burnt very quickly because of the sugar.

    Another thing not on sale here, crumpets! Lightly toasted, dripping with butter, jam, honey, maple syrup, or treacle on top, a true delicacy!

  128. https://www.unz.com/pfrost/what-caused-rickets-epidemic/

    At the height of the epidemic, one physician did suggest that something was immobilizing phosphorus in people with rickets. Dr. John Snow (1857) observed that the illness was most frequent in London and the south of England where industrial bakeries used alum to make bread look whiter. It was rare in the north where bread was normally home-baked. He reasoned that this alum combined with phosphorus in the body to form insoluble aluminum phosphate, thus depleting the reserves of phosphorus needed for strong bone

  129. @Dave Pinsen
    Speaking of "white-bread", it came up on Twitter recently:
    https://twitter.com/mksheikh/status/744909255338262528

    Replies: @Amasius, @Salger, @NOTA, @Some Economist

    Of course one Kashif Sheikh thinks Murray’s best put lines happen to be the most shallow; consumerist diversity and acceptable classist, anti-white sentiments are good for Kashif.

  130. @Steve Sailer
    @Fiddlesticks

    The million-dollars-per-year figure was from a Los Angeles Times article I read in 1981 on the NBC contract expiring. Perhaps that figure was hyperbole put out by PR men in 1951?

    Wikipedia says "one million:"

    "At one million dollars a year, NBC signed him to an exclusive, unprecedented 30-year television contract in 1951."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Berle

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    I’m trying to find that L.A. Times article, and all I’ve found so far is this one, printed on Page 2 of the Calendar section on Sunday, September 13, 1981.

    Uncle Miltie: Out at NBC, But in, Perhaps, on Pluto?
    By David Crook

    Milton Berle’s 30-year, $6-million contract with NBC expired the other day, 25 years after his original program with the network was canceled.

    In 1951, Berle, TV’s first star, signed what was then an unprecedented type of agreement for an astronomical sum. Besides his regular salary, then $35,000 a week, Berle was guaranteed $200,000 a year until 1981. It was a way for NBC to retain the exclusive services of its superstar. Berle was to receive the money whether he appeared on a regular series or not.

    Berle had insisted on the unusual deal because his program, “Texaco Star Theater,” was broadcast live and there were no reruns from which he could collect royalties.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Stan Adams

    Here is the full article:
    http://pasteboard.co/20j2E4ZM.png

  131. @AndrewR
    White bread is an abomination. I only eat 100% whole wheat.

    Replies: @Olorin

    You obviously didn’t grow up in the Pulla/Nisu Belt.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Olorin

    The Pulla/Nisu belt? Is that in Minnesota or Finland? Lihapiirakka is pretty doughy also, but I don't mind.

  132. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    No mention of the amount of salary for Berle in press stories at the time of its signing in 1951.

    http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1951/04/01/page/71/article/milton-berle-signs-30-year-nbc-contract

    Even at $200,000, Berle was making almost three times the salary of President Harry Truman. Pretty high marginal tax rates too at the time. 91% for income earned over $200,000 in 1951. 75% plus for income earned over $50,000.

    http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/ArtWeb/1C91AC0FA1A9E39E85257D1B0041C876?OpenDocument

    and

    http://taxfoundation.org/sites/default/files/docs/fed_individual_rate_history_nominal.pdf

  133. @Verymuchalive
    White-bread. Where did the hyphen come from? And what do multi-millionaire Jewish comedians eat rather than white bread ?
    Quaint British historical note. When white ( refined ) bread become available in the 1st half of the 20th Century, the upper classes switched rapidly to the new more expensive ( and promoted ) product. Now the only time British people eat white bread, apart from baguettes and other continental types, is when we make toast.
    White-bread as a derogatory term used by Jews for Mid-Westerners does seem very dated. Its as if they were still stuck in the 1940s.
    Oh, of course, they still ARE stuck in the 1940s !

    Replies: @Bee, @ben tillman, @Stan Adams, @Olorin

    And what do multi-millionaire Jewish comedians eat rather than white bread ?

    Rye.

  134. @Verymuchalive
    White-bread. Where did the hyphen come from? And what do multi-millionaire Jewish comedians eat rather than white bread ?
    Quaint British historical note. When white ( refined ) bread become available in the 1st half of the 20th Century, the upper classes switched rapidly to the new more expensive ( and promoted ) product. Now the only time British people eat white bread, apart from baguettes and other continental types, is when we make toast.
    White-bread as a derogatory term used by Jews for Mid-Westerners does seem very dated. Its as if they were still stuck in the 1940s.
    Oh, of course, they still ARE stuck in the 1940s !

    Replies: @Bee, @ben tillman, @Stan Adams, @Olorin

    1. Matzoh is as white as bread gets. Doesn’t even have any yeast in it to add vitamin B or the signature flavor of yeast-digested starches.

    2. Challah is white bread with a couple of egg yolks.

    3. Bagels are white bread with the gluten boiled out.

    4. Malavach is a white bread that’s flat, like naan, only not so tasty.

    5. Nicholas Lemann has made a big deal out of his Jewishness forever.

    http://bigthink.com/videos/nicholas-lemann-growing-up-jewish-in-the-american-south

    6. Yuval Levin is described as American, but he was born in Haifa.

    IOW, this all is (((the usual white bashing))). It has nothing to do with bread.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Olorin

    1. Matzoh can be made from whole wheat as well as white flour. White flour itself is a pretty recent invention - a byproduct of the steel roller mill. In the days of stone grinding, you could sift out some of the bran but you could never really have white flour as we know it. The great thing about white flour (from industrial producers POV) is that because the oily wheat germ is removed, the flour does not become rancid for a really long time. It is also so lacking in nutrition that pests don't like to eat it.

    2. Challah is closer to brioche (though with oil instead of butter) - both eggs and fat are added. Most traditional breads (such as white bread) have no fat.

    3. Bagels are boiled but the boiling does not remove any gluten. It might gelatinize or dissolve some of the surface starches but gluten is not water soluble. Bagels are made from high gluten flour and have LOTs of gluten in them.

    4. Malavach (malawah) is a Yemeni flatbread like a paratha pretty much unknown to American Jews (or Americans period) although it has become an Israeli staple. Again, it could be made from whole grain - I doubt back in the day that the Yemeni Jews had white flour, though the modern versions usually are white. At least (unlike matzoh) it has some fat which adds flavor.

    6. Bob Hope was as American as can be but he was born in England. Lots of famous Americans were born elsewhere.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Olorin

    Matzoh is called "the bread of affliction". It's not supposed to be tasty. That doesn't excuse all of the rest of Jewish cuisine, but it was fairly similar to local non-Jewish cuisine. For example, the Ukrainian restaurant Veselka in New York serves matzoh ball soup and blintzes. And Mizrahi Jewish food is pretty similar to local Arab cuisine (though Israeli-style felafel in pital tends to be tastier than most Arab-style).

    New York metro diners generally incorporate elements of Jewish, Italian, and Greek (obviously) cuisines. For example, French Toast is commonly made with challah, matzoh ball is in the soup rotation, and Reuben sandwiches are usually on the menu.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @syonredux, @Brutusale

    , @Verymuchalive
    @Olorin

    Very impressive, Olorin. I will ,however, continue in true British fashion to put white bread to its best use - toast.
    A slice of salted butter on hot toasted white bread. There's nothing finer.
    There nothing milquetoast about that, surely.

  135. @Stan Adams
    @Steve Sailer

    I'm trying to find that L.A. Times article, and all I've found so far is this one, printed on Page 2 of the Calendar section on Sunday, September 13, 1981.

    Uncle Miltie: Out at NBC, But in, Perhaps, on Pluto?
    By David Crook

    Milton Berle's 30-year, $6-million contract with NBC expired the other day, 25 years after his original program with the network was canceled.

    In 1951, Berle, TV's first star, signed what was then an unprecedented type of agreement for an astronomical sum. Besides his regular salary, then $35,000 a week, Berle was guaranteed $200,000 a year until 1981. It was a way for NBC to retain the exclusive services of its superstar. Berle was to receive the money whether he appeared on a regular series or not.

    Berle had insisted on the unusual deal because his program, "Texaco Star Theater," was broadcast live and there were no reruns from which he could collect royalties.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Here is the full article:

  136. @res
    @Steve Sailer

    This reference says $200k: http://www.museum.tv/eotv/berlemilton.htm
    Here's a 1951 blurb from the Tribune, but no $ value: http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1951/04/01/page/71/article/milton-berle-signs-30-year-nbc-contract
    This also says $200k: http://www.miltonberle.com/about/biography.html
    This also says $200k: http://www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/featured_articles/20020329friday.html

    Two thoughts: Could the contract amount have changed over time (e.g. inflation adjusted)? Could the LAT article have said something like "30 year multi-million dollar contract" instead?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    No, I imagine the million dollar per year thing was hyperbole. I’ll take it out of my post.

  137. related:

    https://psmag.com/americas-long-rich-history-of-trashing-poor-whites-4b4fc19191f8

    America’s Long, Rich History of Trashing Poor Whites

    In White Trash, historian Nancy Isenberg charts America’s perennial exploitation of one of the country’s most derided groups.

  138. @Whiskey
    Ironically Pawn Stars and American Pickers trade on the widespread and deep longing for the pre diverse, more interesting America. Global Kardashian and rap is boring. Hank Williams fascinating, ditto Elvis. Or Frank.

    Some White bread is too soft and has too much air bubbles, but most is pretty good.

    People want the old stuff because it was more interesting. Little Vietnam is boring, same old Vietnamese culture. Typcal Murray. You can never trust an Ivy. They hate hate hate the working and middle class.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    I’d happily do business with the American Picker’s guys, and avoid the Pawn Star mob like the plague.

    My TV related question is : why isn’t Mike Lowe’s “Dirty Jobs” constantly being used to refute the lie of “Jobs Americans won’t do”?

  139. @Amasius
    @Dave Pinsen

    Check out the little note at the end of the National Review piece. Derbyshire says "there's not a thing I can see to disagree with." It's laughable that that man gets called a White Supremacist.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I asked Murray on Twitter if he would have been comfortable living in Little Chechnya (one of 30 Rock’s fictional rough NYC neighborhoods, along with Knuckle Beach).

  140. @Salger
    @Dave Pinsen

    Charles Murray is a shining example of how the Libertarian Party is currently the party for those who dig their guns and doubt Affirmative Action too much to vote Democrat, but dig weed and back faggotry too much to vote Republican. Watch Murray's hostility to Trump.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @NOTA

    I wonder what party there is for David Frum, who hates immigration and guns.

  141. @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    "You can look the answers to those questions up on IMDB, if you’re curious."

    Gosh, really? I never knew. Yeah, I did.

    Tobacco Road - Producer: Daryl F. Zanuck.

    God's Little Acre - Writer: Phillip Yordan, real name Ben Maddow (a black-listed commie).

    Why did you choose to only mention Deliverance?

    And who ran the studio that made Deliverance and green-lighted it?

    I'm not saying that Deliverance wasn't a good movie (it was) and shouldn't have been made (why not make it?). But - are you claiming that Jews have nothing to do with the movie business and nothing to do with what movies do or do not get made? That's a view that would tend to be at odds with reality.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Bee, @Cwhatfuture

    I looked up Deliverance because it was the only one of them I’d seen. Had no idea who had written, directed, or produced it before I did.

  142. @Olorin
    @Verymuchalive

    1. Matzoh is as white as bread gets. Doesn't even have any yeast in it to add vitamin B or the signature flavor of yeast-digested starches.

    2. Challah is white bread with a couple of egg yolks.

    3. Bagels are white bread with the gluten boiled out.

    4. Malavach is a white bread that's flat, like naan, only not so tasty.

    5. Nicholas Lemann has made a big deal out of his Jewishness forever.

    http://bigthink.com/videos/nicholas-lemann-growing-up-jewish-in-the-american-south

    6. Yuval Levin is described as American, but he was born in Haifa.

    IOW, this all is (((the usual white bashing))). It has nothing to do with bread.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dave Pinsen, @Verymuchalive

    1. Matzoh can be made from whole wheat as well as white flour. White flour itself is a pretty recent invention – a byproduct of the steel roller mill. In the days of stone grinding, you could sift out some of the bran but you could never really have white flour as we know it. The great thing about white flour (from industrial producers POV) is that because the oily wheat germ is removed, the flour does not become rancid for a really long time. It is also so lacking in nutrition that pests don’t like to eat it.

    2. Challah is closer to brioche (though with oil instead of butter) – both eggs and fat are added. Most traditional breads (such as white bread) have no fat.

    3. Bagels are boiled but the boiling does not remove any gluten. It might gelatinize or dissolve some of the surface starches but gluten is not water soluble. Bagels are made from high gluten flour and have LOTs of gluten in them.

    4. Malavach (malawah) is a Yemeni flatbread like a paratha pretty much unknown to American Jews (or Americans period) although it has become an Israeli staple. Again, it could be made from whole grain – I doubt back in the day that the Yemeni Jews had white flour, though the modern versions usually are white. At least (unlike matzoh) it has some fat which adds flavor.

    6. Bob Hope was as American as can be but he was born in England. Lots of famous Americans were born elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    maztah can be made from any number of grains , so long as they arent leavened. i eat spelt matza . very tasty.

    Replies: @Jack D

  143. @Svigor

    Yeah, I don’t get all the reboots, sequels, superhero movies and such coming out of Hollywood these days. At least the dumb movies about street racing make sense as a way of entertaining the low-IQ Hispanic market.
     
    Mexicans love comic books. Short on words, long on pictures.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @syonredux

    When I see photos of fantasy/SF conventions, the attendees almost always appear to be white.

    The obvious reason for sequels and reboots is because they seem lower-risk: producers hope fans of the previous incarnations will watch the new ones.

    Star Trek is an interesting case of deliberately dumbing down and increasing the action levels to appeal to a broader base though.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Dave Pinsen


    Star Trek is an interesting case of deliberately dumbing down and increasing the action levels to appeal to a broader base though.
     
    TOS as we know it was "dumbed down" at the behest of NBC executives. They found Gene Roddenberry's first pilot, starring Jeffrey Hunter, "too cerebral" for the television-watching masses. So Roddenberry ended the second pilot with a good, old-fashioned, shirt-ripping fistfight in which Captain James R.* Kirk, portrayed by the inimitable William Shatner, pummels the bad guy literally into his grave.

    That being said, J.J. Abrams can take his remakes and ride a big, fat rocket all the way to the Gamma Quadrant.

    *Watch the show and look at the headstone.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  144. @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    "You can look the answers to those questions up on IMDB, if you’re curious."

    Gosh, really? I never knew. Yeah, I did.

    Tobacco Road - Producer: Daryl F. Zanuck.

    God's Little Acre - Writer: Phillip Yordan, real name Ben Maddow (a black-listed commie).

    Why did you choose to only mention Deliverance?

    And who ran the studio that made Deliverance and green-lighted it?

    I'm not saying that Deliverance wasn't a good movie (it was) and shouldn't have been made (why not make it?). But - are you claiming that Jews have nothing to do with the movie business and nothing to do with what movies do or do not get made? That's a view that would tend to be at odds with reality.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Bee, @Cwhatfuture

    The dad from Greek Wedding strikes again! “Greeks created everything great” / “Jews ruined my life by doing everything bad, and also by making Deliverance”.

    Never mind non-Jew Zanuck, but the point is, even if every last person involved in Deliverance was Jewish, Jews were still responsible for an endless amount of films glorifying small town American life in the 1930s/40s/50s, etc., probably all the way to some films today.

    David O. Selznick even produced the Hollywood glorification of Southern antebellum life, Gone with the Wind.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Bee

    It's a good point, and the reason why most conservatives are just fine with movies made before 1960.

    I suspect the old movie directors wouldn't know Cultural Marxism from a pastrami sandwich, but once the generation that had passed through college (and naturally picked up all the lefty ideas) got their hands on the studios, they started producing the dreck you're familiar with.

    Also don't forget the role of pressure groups--Hollywood keeps producing masculine leads for action movies because they sell, but if they keep using white males the NAACP and all the feminist bloggers will complain and raise crap like #OscarsSoWhite, so they include just enough diversity to be profitable.

    That said they could make a lot more money making Christian movies for that market, and they always leave those bucks on the table.

    Replies: @JSM, @Mr. Anon, @Steve Sailer

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Bee

    "The dad from Greek Wedding strikes again! “Greeks created everything great”"

    I was the one who pointed out that that reference fits you.

    "“Jews ruined my life by doing everything bad, and also by making Deliverance”."

    No, my life is just fine. I have nothing in particular against Jews, and I think Deliverance was a good movie. But obviously you can't be bothered to read what people actually write before you reply to them.

    "Jews were still responsible for an endless amount of films glorifying small town American life in the 1930s/40s/50s, etc., probably all the way to some films today."

    How much glorification of small-town life does Hollywood do today? How favorably and /or even just accurately are conservatives, christians, and traditional minded gentiles portrayed in modern TV and movies. You could claim their portrayal is fair and respectful, but you would clearly be wrong - by observation.

    Replies: @NOTA

  145. @Olorin
    @Verymuchalive

    1. Matzoh is as white as bread gets. Doesn't even have any yeast in it to add vitamin B or the signature flavor of yeast-digested starches.

    2. Challah is white bread with a couple of egg yolks.

    3. Bagels are white bread with the gluten boiled out.

    4. Malavach is a white bread that's flat, like naan, only not so tasty.

    5. Nicholas Lemann has made a big deal out of his Jewishness forever.

    http://bigthink.com/videos/nicholas-lemann-growing-up-jewish-in-the-american-south

    6. Yuval Levin is described as American, but he was born in Haifa.

    IOW, this all is (((the usual white bashing))). It has nothing to do with bread.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dave Pinsen, @Verymuchalive

    Matzoh is called “the bread of affliction”. It’s not supposed to be tasty. That doesn’t excuse all of the rest of Jewish cuisine, but it was fairly similar to local non-Jewish cuisine. For example, the Ukrainian restaurant Veselka in New York serves matzoh ball soup and blintzes. And Mizrahi Jewish food is pretty similar to local Arab cuisine (though Israeli-style felafel in pital tends to be tastier than most Arab-style).

    New York metro diners generally incorporate elements of Jewish, Italian, and Greek (obviously) cuisines. For example, French Toast is commonly made with challah, matzoh ball is in the soup rotation, and Reuben sandwiches are usually on the menu.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Dave Pinsen

    Reuben Sandwiches are hardly traditional Jewish cuisine . They are as "treyf" as you can get.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    Matzoh is called “the bread of affliction”. It’s not supposed to be tasty
     
    I liked matzo when I was a kid. Used to snack on it all the time.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Brutusale
    @Dave Pinsen

    If you want transcendent French toast, get a loaf of good Portuguese sweet bread (King's Hawaiian bread in some benighted areas) on Wednesday, let it get a bit stale and use it for Sunday breakfast/brunch.

    Replies: @Jack D

  146. @Bill
    @Bee

    Good thing Jewish hatred of whites isn't a thing.

    Replies: @Bee

    Pretty sure no one who suffers from “Jewish guilt” ever thought to themselves, “Gosh, I wish I hated non-Jews like my grandpa did. This is a failing on my part”.

    P.S., anything that’s “anti-white” refers to Jews, too, since whenever anyone lists off, say, “old white men”, they include Jews, too, i.e. Steve Sailer’s computer programming article, or when someone counts billionaires, tech company owners, actors, directors, etc. and complains there are too many white people involved.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bee

    Pretty sure no one who suffers from “Jewish guilt” ever thought to themselves, “Gosh, I wish I hated non-Jews like my grandpa did. This is a failing on my part”.

    I got my definition of Jewish guilt from the most distinguished Jewish-American novelist of my lifetime, Philip Roth, wrote his biggest bestseller, "Portnoy's Complaint," about Jewish guilt. So, please take up your complaint with Mr. Roth.

    Replies: @Lurker

  147. A now largely forgotten aspect of the turn of the 20th century Settlement House movement (a movement to teach the immigrant poor how to be Americans) was that they featured cooking schools in which they tried to convert the immigrant hordes to the American diet. All the highly flavored and salty foods that the Jewish and Italian immigrants liked – garlic, spicy sausages, smoked meats and fish, pickled vegetables, olive oil, tomato sauces, etc. were thought to be “exciting” foods that made the new immigrants excitable instead of calm. If the immigrants diet could be converted to blander American food the immigrants themselves might calm down. Thankfully, this part of the movement did not really get anywhere, although The Settlement Cookbook became a bestseller.

    http://digital.lib.msu.edu/projects/cookbooks/books/settlementcookbook/sett.html

    If you search for the word “garlic” you’ll see that they never go beyond 1 clove of garlic per recipe (for say a tomato sauce with a peck (12 lbs) of tomatoes). 2 cloves might kill you.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, My all time favorite pasta dish is Pasta Aliol. Cook yourself a pound of thick pasta like fettuccine, but only to al dente. In a deep fry pan bring about a heavy, half a cup of EVOO to pre smoke temp, add five or six cloves of finely sliced garlic ( large, fresh cloves.) Cook until the garlic is browned, but not burnt. Drain your pasta (NEVER RINSE) put it in a large bowl and then pour the garlic infused EVOO, with the crisp garlic pieces over it and gently toss. In our family we always saved some old bread, Italian bread of course, until it hardened. Take the bread and crush in a bowl with the bottom of a heavy glass. Sieve out the small crumbs and toss the larger ones into the pan you used to cook the oil and garlic. Add a bit more oil and toast the crumbs until brown. Toss the bread crumbs with your Pasta Aliol and enjoy. For dessert try a breath mint or two. In the old days a glass of Dago red and a Sicilian cigar would cover the garlic breath too, but of course you then smelled like old wine and stale tobacco.

    Replies: @Jack D

  148. @Bill
    @SFG


    Though ‘small is beautiful’ would probably allow small towns to preserve their culture to some degree.
     
    Absolutely not.

    A few years ago, frontporchrepublic.com (the standard-bearer for small is beautiful, localist conservakins) was criticized for its incipient racism. Obviously, taking the side of small-town America, neighborhood America, and the like has to be racist. It literally cannot be otherwise. You are taking the side of places which get their unique culture from the people who live there and from their folkways. An Italian neighborhood which is 33% Italian, 33% black, and 33% Mexican isn't an Italian neighborhood any more.

    Shockingly, to me at the time, the clown show over there vigorously denied that they were racist and vigorously denied that the localism they were defending would be threatend by changing the ethnic character of the localities. So, no, under even the least pressure, localist conservakins will sacrifice the localisms they theoretically favor to the god of the Multicult.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    One more time:

    Patriotism is a love of the Patria: the Land, its people and their customs. A concept that has been deliberately perverted by the thieving elite looters of the West and perverted into first Nationalism; Love of the State, then Globalism, “love” of nothing.
    That the idea that the US and Europe can be turned into comfortable retirement homes staffed and paid for by pleasant and obeisant, productive and well assimilated pig ignorant fleeing peasants is astonishing, yet that’s what we are asked to believe.
    Societies succeed because they’ve built up, usually over centuries, a widely accepted and practiced set of behaviors; social capital built up of predictable actions and attitudes and beliefs. The core of the culture.
    Immigrants; who do not have that ingrained culture are likely to be destructive of social capital and destructive to the host society. Despite the gibberish of the lunatic left most people recognize this and quite rightly reject the attempt to destroy their society in pursuit of a crazed political fantasy.

  149. @Dave Pinsen
    @Svigor

    When I see photos of fantasy/SF conventions, the attendees almost always appear to be white.

    The obvious reason for sequels and reboots is because they seem lower-risk: producers hope fans of the previous incarnations will watch the new ones.

    Star Trek is an interesting case of deliberately dumbing down and increasing the action levels to appeal to a broader base though.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Star Trek is an interesting case of deliberately dumbing down and increasing the action levels to appeal to a broader base though.

    TOS as we know it was “dumbed down” at the behest of NBC executives. They found Gene Roddenberry’s first pilot, starring Jeffrey Hunter, “too cerebral” for the television-watching masses. So Roddenberry ended the second pilot with a good, old-fashioned, shirt-ripping fistfight in which Captain James R.* Kirk, portrayed by the inimitable William Shatner, pummels the bad guy literally into his grave.

    That being said, J.J. Abrams can take his remakes and ride a big, fat rocket all the way to the Gamma Quadrant.

    *Watch the show and look at the headstone.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Stan Adams

    Yeah, yeah, I know all about the original pilot. But as you know, it was later recycled into a two-parter, when Spock takes over the Enterprise to take the grievously-debilitated Captain Pike back to the forbidden planet.

    Never noticed the "R." though.

  150. @Bee
    @Bill

    Pretty sure no one who suffers from "Jewish guilt" ever thought to themselves, "Gosh, I wish I hated non-Jews like my grandpa did. This is a failing on my part".

    P.S., anything that's "anti-white" refers to Jews, too, since whenever anyone lists off, say, "old white men", they include Jews, too, i.e. Steve Sailer's computer programming article, or when someone counts billionaires, tech company owners, actors, directors, etc. and complains there are too many white people involved.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Pretty sure no one who suffers from “Jewish guilt” ever thought to themselves, “Gosh, I wish I hated non-Jews like my grandpa did. This is a failing on my part”.

    I got my definition of Jewish guilt from the most distinguished Jewish-American novelist of my lifetime, Philip Roth, wrote his biggest bestseller, “Portnoy’s Complaint,” about Jewish guilt. So, please take up your complaint with Mr. Roth.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Steve Sailer

    Counting down the retort that Roth is either (a) not really Jewish or (b) a self-hating Jew.

    Replies: @SFG

  151. Not really related, but here’s an amusing (very) short article:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Palau

    After listing all four of them:

    “Related reading: Israel–Palau relations” – (actually a thing!).

    (Palau (pop. 17,948) is a Micronesian micro-nation near Yap that was ruled by the US until 1993.)

  152. @Olorin
    @Verymuchalive

    1. Matzoh is as white as bread gets. Doesn't even have any yeast in it to add vitamin B or the signature flavor of yeast-digested starches.

    2. Challah is white bread with a couple of egg yolks.

    3. Bagels are white bread with the gluten boiled out.

    4. Malavach is a white bread that's flat, like naan, only not so tasty.

    5. Nicholas Lemann has made a big deal out of his Jewishness forever.

    http://bigthink.com/videos/nicholas-lemann-growing-up-jewish-in-the-american-south

    6. Yuval Levin is described as American, but he was born in Haifa.

    IOW, this all is (((the usual white bashing))). It has nothing to do with bread.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Dave Pinsen, @Verymuchalive

    Very impressive, Olorin. I will ,however, continue in true British fashion to put white bread to its best use – toast.
    A slice of salted butter on hot toasted white bread. There’s nothing finer.
    There nothing milquetoast about that, surely.

  153. Did you happen to notice a common thread in the names:

    Milton Berle, Mel Brooks, Jackie Mason, Woody Allen, and Harry Shearer.

    I think they have something in common. Must just be a Coincidence. Wish they had a detector for that.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Dr. Krieger

    Cohencidence is the preferred term.

  154. @Mr. Anon
    @StAugustine

    "I picked up a book on Queens and Courtesans of France, and it’s a pretty bloody and treacherous history before say, 1400. Lots of brothers and sisters and cousins fighting for the inheritance."

    Congratulations. You read a book. Now you just have to stay at a Holiday Inn, and you'll know everything there is to know.

    The bowlderization of medieval history is itself an exercise in anti-whiteness. A whole era in the founding of modern Europe is simply written off as bloody, unthinking barbarism. It was not just that. Christianity actually represented a level of moral restraint which, though not perfect, did have a civilizing influence. Even if people committed outrageous crimes, at least they might feel guilty about them. Martin's universe contains no christianity (as a good doctrinaire lefty he probably despises it). It seems to be just the Grand Guignol aspects of the middle-ages all thrown together and mixed up into a big bloody stew of depravity.

    Replies: @SFG

    That is true, although I doubt debates over Scholasticism would have made good television (or even good pleasure reading for most people).

    You’re probably right that the spiritual and romantic aspects of the Middle Ages do attract many people without their realizing it–the idea of the knight devoted to a noble ideal, courtly love, and so on. And some guys grow up on World of Warcraft and become curious about the ‘real thing’. It’s not as if everyone born before 1700 was a blood-soaked barbarian. People did all the things they do now–eat, sleep, work, have kids, die, minus electric lighting, cars, and internet of course.

    Still, things were a lot more brutal back then–life was short, and you were more likely to die of famine or plague than at a Red Wedding. And the nobles were constantly warring and killing each other, with the Church often trying to cut down on the worst abuses. It was frequently corrupt, but then how would you characterize our modern institutions, with their SJW priestpersons handing down sentences for PC sins and demanding penance through sensitivity training?

    So were the Middle Ages worse? The morality’s an open argument, I’ll give you that, and perhaps the traditional families were good for psychological health, but I’d rather make it to 70 without worrying about plague.

  155. @Bee
    @Mr. Anon

    The dad from Greek Wedding strikes again! "Greeks created everything great" / "Jews ruined my life by doing everything bad, and also by making Deliverance".

    Never mind non-Jew Zanuck, but the point is, even if every last person involved in Deliverance was Jewish, Jews were still responsible for an endless amount of films glorifying small town American life in the 1930s/40s/50s, etc., probably all the way to some films today.

    David O. Selznick even produced the Hollywood glorification of Southern antebellum life, Gone with the Wind.

    Replies: @SFG, @Mr. Anon

    It’s a good point, and the reason why most conservatives are just fine with movies made before 1960.

    I suspect the old movie directors wouldn’t know Cultural Marxism from a pastrami sandwich, but once the generation that had passed through college (and naturally picked up all the lefty ideas) got their hands on the studios, they started producing the dreck you’re familiar with.

    Also don’t forget the role of pressure groups–Hollywood keeps producing masculine leads for action movies because they sell, but if they keep using white males the NAACP and all the feminist bloggers will complain and raise crap like #OscarsSoWhite, so they include just enough diversity to be profitable.

    That said they could make a lot more money making Christian movies for that market, and they always leave those bucks on the table.

    • Replies: @JSM
    @SFG

    Also, don't forget: Movies made before 1960 had the Hays Code to contend with.

    Hays created, in conjunction with Catholic Legion of Decency, his Code the 1930s in order to condemn movies that "lower the moral standards of viewers and promises that the sympathy of the audience shall never be thrown to the side of crime, wrongdoing, evil, or sin."


    The Code remained a firm brake on Jewish inclinations to make and distribute smut until 1966, when an aide to Lyndon Johnson, a fellow named Jack Valenti, became head of MPAA and began revising the Code to loosen restrictions.

    So, yeah, movies made before the 1960s were wholesome and decent. Not due to some kind of admiral personally-assumed moral restraint on the part of Jewish producers however. The wholesomeness was due to Catholic pressure.

    As soon as the pressure was off, the Jewish movie producers began making and distributing trash, and the phenomenon has only continued to increase, anything with Seth Rogan in it, for example.

    http://ncac.org/resource/a-brief-history-of-film-censorship

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen

    , @Mr. Anon
    @SFG

    "I suspect the old movie directors wouldn’t know Cultural Marxism from a pastrami sandwich,......"

    A lot of the writers did. A lot of them liked a big dollop of marxism with their pastrami sandwiches. A lot of them were agents of the comintern, and were consciously writing soviet propaganda.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @SFG

    What fraction of the hugely successful big name directors in Hollywood between 1970-2010 are no more than two degrees of separation from right wing gun nut John Milius?

    Coppola, Spielberg, Lucas, Eastwood, Zemeckis, the Coens, producer Kathleen Kennedy who is now in charge of the Star Wars brand ... it's a long list.

  156. @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    "You can look the answers to those questions up on IMDB, if you’re curious."

    Gosh, really? I never knew. Yeah, I did.

    Tobacco Road - Producer: Daryl F. Zanuck.

    God's Little Acre - Writer: Phillip Yordan, real name Ben Maddow (a black-listed commie).

    Why did you choose to only mention Deliverance?

    And who ran the studio that made Deliverance and green-lighted it?

    I'm not saying that Deliverance wasn't a good movie (it was) and shouldn't have been made (why not make it?). But - are you claiming that Jews have nothing to do with the movie business and nothing to do with what movies do or do not get made? That's a view that would tend to be at odds with reality.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen, @Bee, @Cwhatfuture

    Are we claiming Jews have nothing to do with the movie business?

    No we were claiming that the demeaning and denigration of uneducated poor southern whites as “in bred” was a Gentile invention by some famous writers. And it was.

    You were the one who stated ranting about Jews in the movie industry.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Cwhatfuture

    "No we were claiming that the demeaning and denigration of uneducated poor southern whites as “in bred” was a Gentile invention by some famous writers. And it was."

    No, you just hijacked my point and twisted it around to suit your agenda. And that denigration was hardly an invention. Did Jews back in the pale of settlement never denigrate the gentile Russians around them? Did they only learn to do that after reading southern gothic novels?

    "You were the one who stated ranting about Jews in the movie industry."

    I was hardly ranting - that more nearly fits your kneejerk reaction. I was pointing out that there is a lot of finger-pointing at white protestants about them having bland food, bad music, and being inbred, and that a lot of the fingers come from a culture that produces bland food, cheesy folk music, and is kind of famous for being inbred.

  157. The experts at Urban Dictionary say White Bread is not racial.

    It might actually be more of a way of separating German Jews, rye bread, from typical American culture. In the Movie Annie Hall Woody Allen gets upset when Annie Hall puts (bland) mayonnaise on her pastrami on rye instead of mustard.

    {Though whitebread individuals are usually white, the term is not necessarily racial in meaning – the implication lies more with the blandness, predictability, and banality of plain white bread. Accordingly, “wonderbread” is often used as a synonym.”

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whitebread

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @George

    Nope. Whitebread is a racial slur. So is Wonderbread(tm).

  158. @Steve Sailer
    @Bee

    Pretty sure no one who suffers from “Jewish guilt” ever thought to themselves, “Gosh, I wish I hated non-Jews like my grandpa did. This is a failing on my part”.

    I got my definition of Jewish guilt from the most distinguished Jewish-American novelist of my lifetime, Philip Roth, wrote his biggest bestseller, "Portnoy's Complaint," about Jewish guilt. So, please take up your complaint with Mr. Roth.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Counting down the retort that Roth is either (a) not really Jewish or (b) a self-hating Jew.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Lurker

    You could make a pretty good case for (b).

  159. @Dr. Krieger
    @Steve Sailer

    Did you happen to notice a common thread in the names:

    Milton Berle, Mel Brooks, Jackie Mason, Woody Allen, and Harry Shearer.

    I think they have something in common. Must just be a Coincidence. Wish they had a detector for that.

    Replies: @Lurker

    Cohencidence is the preferred term.

  160. OT: Marion Maréchal-Le Pen is hideously unburdened by inherited White guilt or a crippling fear of being accused of fascism:

    Bourdin: You’re not facho [fascist]? You’re not facho?

    Marion: Facho? No, well…

    B: What is facho? What is fascism anyway, for you?

    M: It’s an authoritarian ideology, anti-parliamentary and, by these
    criteria, therefore, we objectively do not qualify. So I’d say no
    (laughs), I’m not facho. I think that’s above all, intellectual
    laziness, doing politics by moralizing, not getting down to the
    basics, surfing on fears. That way, they do not have to justify their record.
    It’s so much easier.

  161. @Lurker
    @Steve Sailer

    Counting down the retort that Roth is either (a) not really Jewish or (b) a self-hating Jew.

    Replies: @SFG

    You could make a pretty good case for (b).

  162. JSM says:
    @SFG
    @Bee

    It's a good point, and the reason why most conservatives are just fine with movies made before 1960.

    I suspect the old movie directors wouldn't know Cultural Marxism from a pastrami sandwich, but once the generation that had passed through college (and naturally picked up all the lefty ideas) got their hands on the studios, they started producing the dreck you're familiar with.

    Also don't forget the role of pressure groups--Hollywood keeps producing masculine leads for action movies because they sell, but if they keep using white males the NAACP and all the feminist bloggers will complain and raise crap like #OscarsSoWhite, so they include just enough diversity to be profitable.

    That said they could make a lot more money making Christian movies for that market, and they always leave those bucks on the table.

    Replies: @JSM, @Mr. Anon, @Steve Sailer

    Also, don’t forget: Movies made before 1960 had the Hays Code to contend with.

    Hays created, in conjunction with Catholic Legion of Decency, his Code the 1930s in order to condemn movies that “lower the moral standards of viewers and promises that the sympathy of the audience shall never be thrown to the side of crime, wrongdoing, evil, or sin.”

    The Code remained a firm brake on Jewish inclinations to make and distribute smut until 1966, when an aide to Lyndon Johnson, a fellow named Jack Valenti, became head of MPAA and began revising the Code to loosen restrictions.

    So, yeah, movies made before the 1960s were wholesome and decent. Not due to some kind of admiral personally-assumed moral restraint on the part of Jewish producers however. The wholesomeness was due to Catholic pressure.

    As soon as the pressure was off, the Jewish movie producers began making and distributing trash, and the phenomenon has only continued to increase, anything with Seth Rogan in it, for example.

    http://ncac.org/resource/a-brief-history-of-film-censorship

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @JSM


    The Code remained a firm brake on Jewish inclinations to make and distribute smut until 1966, when an aide to Lyndon Johnson, a fellow named Jack Valenti, became head of MPAA and began revising the Code to loosen restrictions.

    So, yeah, movies made before the 1960s were wholesome and decent. Not due to some kind of admiral personally-assumed moral restraint on the part of Jewish producers however. The wholesomeness was due to Catholic pressure.
     
    Dunno. It seems to me that lots of non-Jewish film-makers were keen on extreme content. Take the Catholic Alfred Hitchcock. Psycho wasn't exactly the epitome of decency and moral restraint.....and once the Hays Code was gone, he made Frenzy.....
    , @Dave Pinsen
    @JSM

    Not an expert on Seth Rogen's oeuvre, but he was in Knocked Up, which fairly wholesome by modern standards (slacker pothead gets a job, settles down with girl he knocked up; girl looks past slacker guy's flaws to see he'd make a devoted father).

  163. @Cwhatfuture
    @Mr. Anon

    Are we claiming Jews have nothing to do with the movie business?

    No we were claiming that the demeaning and denigration of uneducated poor southern whites as "in bred" was a Gentile invention by some famous writers. And it was.

    You were the one who stated ranting about Jews in the movie industry.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “No we were claiming that the demeaning and denigration of uneducated poor southern whites as “in bred” was a Gentile invention by some famous writers. And it was.”

    No, you just hijacked my point and twisted it around to suit your agenda. And that denigration was hardly an invention. Did Jews back in the pale of settlement never denigrate the gentile Russians around them? Did they only learn to do that after reading southern gothic novels?

    “You were the one who stated ranting about Jews in the movie industry.”

    I was hardly ranting – that more nearly fits your kneejerk reaction. I was pointing out that there is a lot of finger-pointing at white protestants about them having bland food, bad music, and being inbred, and that a lot of the fingers come from a culture that produces bland food, cheesy folk music, and is kind of famous for being inbred.

  164. @Jack D
    @Olorin

    1. Matzoh can be made from whole wheat as well as white flour. White flour itself is a pretty recent invention - a byproduct of the steel roller mill. In the days of stone grinding, you could sift out some of the bran but you could never really have white flour as we know it. The great thing about white flour (from industrial producers POV) is that because the oily wheat germ is removed, the flour does not become rancid for a really long time. It is also so lacking in nutrition that pests don't like to eat it.

    2. Challah is closer to brioche (though with oil instead of butter) - both eggs and fat are added. Most traditional breads (such as white bread) have no fat.

    3. Bagels are boiled but the boiling does not remove any gluten. It might gelatinize or dissolve some of the surface starches but gluten is not water soluble. Bagels are made from high gluten flour and have LOTs of gluten in them.

    4. Malavach (malawah) is a Yemeni flatbread like a paratha pretty much unknown to American Jews (or Americans period) although it has become an Israeli staple. Again, it could be made from whole grain - I doubt back in the day that the Yemeni Jews had white flour, though the modern versions usually are white. At least (unlike matzoh) it has some fat which adds flavor.

    6. Bob Hope was as American as can be but he was born in England. Lots of famous Americans were born elsewhere.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    maztah can be made from any number of grains , so long as they arent leavened. i eat spelt matza . very tasty.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Actually not ANY number. The number is exactly five. They are enumerated in the talmud: ḥittim, se'orim, kusmin, shibbolet shu'al, and shippon . The only problem is that no one is really sure what these words mean any more. In modern Judaism, they are interpreted to mean wheat, spelt, barley, oats and rye. The latter two are questionable because they are cold weather crops that didn't grow in Israel in biblical times. Most likely there are two kinds of barley (two row and 6 row - familiar to people who brew beer) and two kinds of wheat (ordinary wheat and emmer wheat (aka farro) on the list - these grains were common in ancient Israel.

    Anyway, the rabbis decided that ONLY the five grains, whatever they are, are capable of "fermenting" (what they were actually talking about was sourdough type fermentation which takes place using both lactic acid producing bacteria and yeast) and all other grains "rot" rather than ferment (they were rabbis, not microbiologists) and that fermentation starts exactly 18 minutes after the grain gets wet. So to make matzoh it has to be unfermented (baking begins in less that 18 minutes) but made from something that is capable of fermentation (i.e. you can't have corn matzoh, rice matzoh, etc. ).

  165. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    Daryl F. Zanuck -- not Jewish, a Protestant from Wahoo, Nebraska.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/01/movies/film-darryl-f-zanuck-action-hero-of-the-studio-era.html?pagewanted=1

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I stand corrected. I guess the name Daryl should have been a hint. In my defense, nobody else seemed to spot my mistake besides you.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Mr. Anon


    I stand corrected. I guess the name Daryl should have been a hint. In my defense, nobody else seemed to spot my mistake besides you.
     
    Hey, I was going to point out Zanuck's Gentile status, but Steve beat me to it.
  166. @SFG
    @Bee

    It's a good point, and the reason why most conservatives are just fine with movies made before 1960.

    I suspect the old movie directors wouldn't know Cultural Marxism from a pastrami sandwich, but once the generation that had passed through college (and naturally picked up all the lefty ideas) got their hands on the studios, they started producing the dreck you're familiar with.

    Also don't forget the role of pressure groups--Hollywood keeps producing masculine leads for action movies because they sell, but if they keep using white males the NAACP and all the feminist bloggers will complain and raise crap like #OscarsSoWhite, so they include just enough diversity to be profitable.

    That said they could make a lot more money making Christian movies for that market, and they always leave those bucks on the table.

    Replies: @JSM, @Mr. Anon, @Steve Sailer

    “I suspect the old movie directors wouldn’t know Cultural Marxism from a pastrami sandwich,……”

    A lot of the writers did. A lot of them liked a big dollop of marxism with their pastrami sandwiches. A lot of them were agents of the comintern, and were consciously writing soviet propaganda.

  167. @Bee
    @Mr. Anon

    The dad from Greek Wedding strikes again! "Greeks created everything great" / "Jews ruined my life by doing everything bad, and also by making Deliverance".

    Never mind non-Jew Zanuck, but the point is, even if every last person involved in Deliverance was Jewish, Jews were still responsible for an endless amount of films glorifying small town American life in the 1930s/40s/50s, etc., probably all the way to some films today.

    David O. Selznick even produced the Hollywood glorification of Southern antebellum life, Gone with the Wind.

    Replies: @SFG, @Mr. Anon

    “The dad from Greek Wedding strikes again! “Greeks created everything great””

    I was the one who pointed out that that reference fits you.

    ““Jews ruined my life by doing everything bad, and also by making Deliverance”.”

    No, my life is just fine. I have nothing in particular against Jews, and I think Deliverance was a good movie. But obviously you can’t be bothered to read what people actually write before you reply to them.

    “Jews were still responsible for an endless amount of films glorifying small town American life in the 1930s/40s/50s, etc., probably all the way to some films today.”

    How much glorification of small-town life does Hollywood do today? How favorably and /or even just accurately are conservatives, christians, and traditional minded gentiles portrayed in modern TV and movies. You could claim their portrayal is fair and respectful, but you would clearly be wrong – by observation.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @Mr. Anon

    The people who make TV and movies see small towns in the bible belt the same way they see other weird, exotic locales like African villages or uncontacted tribes in the Amazon rainforest. They know nothing about these locations, have never been there, and don't know anyone else who knows anything about them either, and so they draw on stereotypes and images from movies and TV shows to fill in the blanks of their understanding.

  168. @Svigor

    Yeah, I don’t get all the reboots, sequels, superhero movies and such coming out of Hollywood these days. At least the dumb movies about street racing make sense as a way of entertaining the low-IQ Hispanic market.
     
    Mexicans love comic books. Short on words, long on pictures.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @syonredux

    Mexicans love comic books. Short on words, long on pictures.

    Dunno. American comic books have grown pretty damn wordy over the last 20 years or so. Most of the Mexican-Americans that I’ve known don’t read anything at all. Video games seem to occupy their leisure time.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @syonredux

    Memin Pinguin is a beloved and politically incorrect Mexican comic book character and his mother is an Aunt Jemima lookalike:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/04/Memin_pinguin_comic.jpg/200px-Memin_pinguin_comic.jpg

    http://angelguardian.mx/beta/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/memin_230415.jpg

    Replies: @syonredux

  169. @Trelane
    The linked Taki's piece is Sailer Gold. Well worth the re-read.

    Replies: @Hacienda

    Disagree that vanilla tastes better than chocolate. Vanilla smells better
    that chocolate. I’ll give it that.

  170. @Dave Pinsen
    @Olorin

    Matzoh is called "the bread of affliction". It's not supposed to be tasty. That doesn't excuse all of the rest of Jewish cuisine, but it was fairly similar to local non-Jewish cuisine. For example, the Ukrainian restaurant Veselka in New York serves matzoh ball soup and blintzes. And Mizrahi Jewish food is pretty similar to local Arab cuisine (though Israeli-style felafel in pital tends to be tastier than most Arab-style).

    New York metro diners generally incorporate elements of Jewish, Italian, and Greek (obviously) cuisines. For example, French Toast is commonly made with challah, matzoh ball is in the soup rotation, and Reuben sandwiches are usually on the menu.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @syonredux, @Brutusale

    Reuben Sandwiches are hardly traditional Jewish cuisine . They are as “treyf” as you can get.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @kaganovitch

    I'm aware they're not kosher. But I think it still counts as Jewish (-American) cuisine.

  171. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    maztah can be made from any number of grains , so long as they arent leavened. i eat spelt matza . very tasty.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Actually not ANY number. The number is exactly five. They are enumerated in the talmud: ḥittim, se’orim, kusmin, shibbolet shu’al, and shippon . The only problem is that no one is really sure what these words mean any more. In modern Judaism, they are interpreted to mean wheat, spelt, barley, oats and rye. The latter two are questionable because they are cold weather crops that didn’t grow in Israel in biblical times. Most likely there are two kinds of barley (two row and 6 row – familiar to people who brew beer) and two kinds of wheat (ordinary wheat and emmer wheat (aka farro) on the list – these grains were common in ancient Israel.

    Anyway, the rabbis decided that ONLY the five grains, whatever they are, are capable of “fermenting” (what they were actually talking about was sourdough type fermentation which takes place using both lactic acid producing bacteria and yeast) and all other grains “rot” rather than ferment (they were rabbis, not microbiologists) and that fermentation starts exactly 18 minutes after the grain gets wet. So to make matzoh it has to be unfermented (baking begins in less that 18 minutes) but made from something that is capable of fermentation (i.e. you can’t have corn matzoh, rice matzoh, etc. ).

  172. The whole idea of “white bread” and weird things happening, was the very reason that I found this blog….and, to sting the aholes who are watchers on the internet today. I am too old for all you people to matter in your polls. Know that people, all people (kinda’ throwing a bone out to the desert), forever do not want OVERLORDS. Do not want a continuation of PC to pay for people who want hand-outs. Real simple. Life is sooo finite…and most people, worry about their own family….whatever that family is. Boom.

  173. @syonredux
    @Svigor


    Mexicans love comic books. Short on words, long on pictures.
     
    Dunno. American comic books have grown pretty damn wordy over the last 20 years or so. Most of the Mexican-Americans that I've known don't read anything at all. Video games seem to occupy their leisure time.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Memin Pinguin is a beloved and politically incorrect Mexican comic book character and his mother is an Aunt Jemima lookalike:

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Jack D

    Yeah, I've heard of him. But he was created in the pre-video game era. Nowadays, Mexicans (both in the USA and in Mexico) are, shall we say, post-literate:


    During a strike in 2008 in Oaxaca, I remember walking through the temporary campground in search of a teacher reading a book. Among tens of thousands, I found not one. I did find people listening to disco-decibel music, watching television, playing cards or dominoes, vegetating. I saw some gossip magazines, too
     
    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/03/mexico-country-that-stopped-reading.html
  174. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Uh, nobody here has heard of Sinclair Lewis? He was the first American to win the Nobel for Literature. His novel Main Street was very popular and made him famous. It was a satire of small town American provincialism, and “Main Street” came to have a similar connotation to “white bread”, although it doesn’t so much anymore. Lewis was a WASP, and he also wrote Elmer Gantry, which was a satire of American Protestant fundamentalist preachers and culture.

  175. Syon: true, as comics have faded, they’ve probably priced Mexicans out.

    When I see photos of fantasy/SF conventions, the attendees almost always appear to be white.

    Conventions = lots of disposable income, plus extreme devotion to the form. Mexicans are more read-em-on-the-bus types.

    Never mind non-Jew Zanuck, but the point is, even if every last person involved in Deliverance was Jewish, Jews were still responsible for an endless amount of films glorifying small town American life in the 1930s/40s/50s, etc., probably all the way to some films today.

    David O. Selznick even produced the Hollywood glorification of Southern antebellum life, Gone with the Wind.

    Yeah, they made much better product when they had a society to fear, that kept a close eye on them. I’d be okay to returning to the status quo we had with the Jews in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. With some modifications to keep it in place.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Svigor


    Syon: true, as comics have faded, they’ve probably priced Mexicans out.
     
    I just think that Mexicans don't like to read:

    During a strike in 2008 in Oaxaca, I remember walking through the temporary campground in search of a teacher reading a book. Among tens of thousands, I found not one. I did find people listening to disco-decibel music, watching television, playing cards or dominoes, vegetating. I saw some gossip magazines, too
     
    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/03/mexico-country-that-stopped-reading.html
    , @syonredux
    @Svigor


    Conventions = lots of disposable income, plus extreme devotion to the form. Mexicans are more read-em-on-the-bus types.
     
    I never see Mestizo Hispanics reading anything on public transportation. They just have headphones stuck in their ears.

    Weirdly, Blacks seem to read more. Granted, it's crap (romance novels, etc), but they do seem to have the reading habit to a greater degree than Mestizo Hispanics.
  176. @Jack D
    A now largely forgotten aspect of the turn of the 20th century Settlement House movement (a movement to teach the immigrant poor how to be Americans) was that they featured cooking schools in which they tried to convert the immigrant hordes to the American diet. All the highly flavored and salty foods that the Jewish and Italian immigrants liked - garlic, spicy sausages, smoked meats and fish, pickled vegetables, olive oil, tomato sauces, etc. were thought to be "exciting" foods that made the new immigrants excitable instead of calm. If the immigrants diet could be converted to blander American food the immigrants themselves might calm down. Thankfully, this part of the movement did not really get anywhere, although The Settlement Cookbook became a bestseller.

    http://digital.lib.msu.edu/projects/cookbooks/books/settlementcookbook/sett.html

    If you search for the word "garlic" you'll see that they never go beyond 1 clove of garlic per recipe (for say a tomato sauce with a peck (12 lbs) of tomatoes). 2 cloves might kill you.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Jack, My all time favorite pasta dish is Pasta Aliol. Cook yourself a pound of thick pasta like fettuccine, but only to al dente. In a deep fry pan bring about a heavy, half a cup of EVOO to pre smoke temp, add five or six cloves of finely sliced garlic ( large, fresh cloves.) Cook until the garlic is browned, but not burnt. Drain your pasta (NEVER RINSE) put it in a large bowl and then pour the garlic infused EVOO, with the crisp garlic pieces over it and gently toss. In our family we always saved some old bread, Italian bread of course, until it hardened. Take the bread and crush in a bowl with the bottom of a heavy glass. Sieve out the small crumbs and toss the larger ones into the pan you used to cook the oil and garlic. Add a bit more oil and toast the crumbs until brown. Toss the bread crumbs with your Pasta Aliol and enjoy. For dessert try a breath mint or two. In the old days a glass of Dago red and a Sicilian cigar would cover the garlic breath too, but of course you then smelled like old wine and stale tobacco.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buffalo Joe

    The version with bread crumbs instead of cheese is true cucina povera. A sure giveaway is the combination of starch with more starch. You see this in Jewish and E. European cuisine also - dough filled with potatoes or buckwheat (knishes, pirogi, etc.) Extra points for re-using stale bread. In the old country they would bake bread once a week for the whole week (fuel ain't cheap). When you are really poor then meat and cheese are not in the budget. My father would scoff at all the fat "poor" people in America - where he was from, poor people never weighed 300 lbs. - they were as skinny as supermodels.

    A secret is to save a little of the pasta cooking water before you drain it and put that back in the sauce.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  177. There’s another take on “white bread” that hasn’t been addressed. WASP culture once had a Calvinistic strain that eschewed showiness, self-indulgence, physical pleasures. Within that culture, a “foodie” would have cut a ridiculous figure. Eating was something done of necessity and never a topic of conversation. Food was best served plain and bland. White bread filled the bill and came to exemplify the way of the WASP, at least in the minds of those of a more hedonistic culture.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mark Caplan

    The traditional stereotype of WASPs was that they had little food in the fridge.

  178. @JSM
    @SFG

    Also, don't forget: Movies made before 1960 had the Hays Code to contend with.

    Hays created, in conjunction with Catholic Legion of Decency, his Code the 1930s in order to condemn movies that "lower the moral standards of viewers and promises that the sympathy of the audience shall never be thrown to the side of crime, wrongdoing, evil, or sin."


    The Code remained a firm brake on Jewish inclinations to make and distribute smut until 1966, when an aide to Lyndon Johnson, a fellow named Jack Valenti, became head of MPAA and began revising the Code to loosen restrictions.

    So, yeah, movies made before the 1960s were wholesome and decent. Not due to some kind of admiral personally-assumed moral restraint on the part of Jewish producers however. The wholesomeness was due to Catholic pressure.

    As soon as the pressure was off, the Jewish movie producers began making and distributing trash, and the phenomenon has only continued to increase, anything with Seth Rogan in it, for example.

    http://ncac.org/resource/a-brief-history-of-film-censorship

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen

    The Code remained a firm brake on Jewish inclinations to make and distribute smut until 1966, when an aide to Lyndon Johnson, a fellow named Jack Valenti, became head of MPAA and began revising the Code to loosen restrictions.

    So, yeah, movies made before the 1960s were wholesome and decent. Not due to some kind of admiral personally-assumed moral restraint on the part of Jewish producers however. The wholesomeness was due to Catholic pressure.

    Dunno. It seems to me that lots of non-Jewish film-makers were keen on extreme content. Take the Catholic Alfred Hitchcock. Psycho wasn’t exactly the epitome of decency and moral restraint…..and once the Hays Code was gone, he made Frenzy…..

  179. @Svigor
    Syon: true, as comics have faded, they've probably priced Mexicans out.

    When I see photos of fantasy/SF conventions, the attendees almost always appear to be white.
     
    Conventions = lots of disposable income, plus extreme devotion to the form. Mexicans are more read-em-on-the-bus types.

    Never mind non-Jew Zanuck, but the point is, even if every last person involved in Deliverance was Jewish, Jews were still responsible for an endless amount of films glorifying small town American life in the 1930s/40s/50s, etc., probably all the way to some films today.

    David O. Selznick even produced the Hollywood glorification of Southern antebellum life, Gone with the Wind.
     
    Yeah, they made much better product when they had a society to fear, that kept a close eye on them. I'd be okay to returning to the status quo we had with the Jews in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. With some modifications to keep it in place.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    Syon: true, as comics have faded, they’ve probably priced Mexicans out.

    I just think that Mexicans don’t like to read:

    During a strike in 2008 in Oaxaca, I remember walking through the temporary campground in search of a teacher reading a book. Among tens of thousands, I found not one. I did find people listening to disco-decibel music, watching television, playing cards or dominoes, vegetating. I saw some gossip magazines, too

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/03/mexico-country-that-stopped-reading.html

  180. @Jack D
    @syonredux

    Memin Pinguin is a beloved and politically incorrect Mexican comic book character and his mother is an Aunt Jemima lookalike:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/04/Memin_pinguin_comic.jpg/200px-Memin_pinguin_comic.jpg

    http://angelguardian.mx/beta/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/memin_230415.jpg

    Replies: @syonredux

    Yeah, I’ve heard of him. But he was created in the pre-video game era. Nowadays, Mexicans (both in the USA and in Mexico) are, shall we say, post-literate:

    During a strike in 2008 in Oaxaca, I remember walking through the temporary campground in search of a teacher reading a book. Among tens of thousands, I found not one. I did find people listening to disco-decibel music, watching television, playing cards or dominoes, vegetating. I saw some gossip magazines, too

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/03/mexico-country-that-stopped-reading.html

  181. @Svigor
    Syon: true, as comics have faded, they've probably priced Mexicans out.

    When I see photos of fantasy/SF conventions, the attendees almost always appear to be white.
     
    Conventions = lots of disposable income, plus extreme devotion to the form. Mexicans are more read-em-on-the-bus types.

    Never mind non-Jew Zanuck, but the point is, even if every last person involved in Deliverance was Jewish, Jews were still responsible for an endless amount of films glorifying small town American life in the 1930s/40s/50s, etc., probably all the way to some films today.

    David O. Selznick even produced the Hollywood glorification of Southern antebellum life, Gone with the Wind.
     
    Yeah, they made much better product when they had a society to fear, that kept a close eye on them. I'd be okay to returning to the status quo we had with the Jews in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. With some modifications to keep it in place.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    Conventions = lots of disposable income, plus extreme devotion to the form. Mexicans are more read-em-on-the-bus types.

    I never see Mestizo Hispanics reading anything on public transportation. They just have headphones stuck in their ears.

    Weirdly, Blacks seem to read more. Granted, it’s crap (romance novels, etc), but they do seem to have the reading habit to a greater degree than Mestizo Hispanics.

  182. @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    I stand corrected. I guess the name Daryl should have been a hint. In my defense, nobody else seemed to spot my mistake besides you.

    Replies: @syonredux

    I stand corrected. I guess the name Daryl should have been a hint. In my defense, nobody else seemed to spot my mistake besides you.

    Hey, I was going to point out Zanuck’s Gentile status, but Steve beat me to it.

  183. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, My all time favorite pasta dish is Pasta Aliol. Cook yourself a pound of thick pasta like fettuccine, but only to al dente. In a deep fry pan bring about a heavy, half a cup of EVOO to pre smoke temp, add five or six cloves of finely sliced garlic ( large, fresh cloves.) Cook until the garlic is browned, but not burnt. Drain your pasta (NEVER RINSE) put it in a large bowl and then pour the garlic infused EVOO, with the crisp garlic pieces over it and gently toss. In our family we always saved some old bread, Italian bread of course, until it hardened. Take the bread and crush in a bowl with the bottom of a heavy glass. Sieve out the small crumbs and toss the larger ones into the pan you used to cook the oil and garlic. Add a bit more oil and toast the crumbs until brown. Toss the bread crumbs with your Pasta Aliol and enjoy. For dessert try a breath mint or two. In the old days a glass of Dago red and a Sicilian cigar would cover the garlic breath too, but of course you then smelled like old wine and stale tobacco.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The version with bread crumbs instead of cheese is true cucina povera. A sure giveaway is the combination of starch with more starch. You see this in Jewish and E. European cuisine also – dough filled with potatoes or buckwheat (knishes, pirogi, etc.) Extra points for re-using stale bread. In the old country they would bake bread once a week for the whole week (fuel ain’t cheap). When you are really poor then meat and cheese are not in the budget. My father would scoff at all the fat “poor” people in America – where he was from, poor people never weighed 300 lbs. – they were as skinny as supermodels.

    A secret is to save a little of the pasta cooking water before you drain it and put that back in the sauce.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack, I think there may be a bit of the Boot in your genealogy. Starch with starch, as in Gnocchi, riced potatoes mixed with flour and eggs to make a pasta dough. My second favorite pasta dish.

  184. @Dave Pinsen
    @Olorin

    Matzoh is called "the bread of affliction". It's not supposed to be tasty. That doesn't excuse all of the rest of Jewish cuisine, but it was fairly similar to local non-Jewish cuisine. For example, the Ukrainian restaurant Veselka in New York serves matzoh ball soup and blintzes. And Mizrahi Jewish food is pretty similar to local Arab cuisine (though Israeli-style felafel in pital tends to be tastier than most Arab-style).

    New York metro diners generally incorporate elements of Jewish, Italian, and Greek (obviously) cuisines. For example, French Toast is commonly made with challah, matzoh ball is in the soup rotation, and Reuben sandwiches are usually on the menu.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @syonredux, @Brutusale

    Matzoh is called “the bread of affliction”. It’s not supposed to be tasty

    I liked matzo when I was a kid. Used to snack on it all the time.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @syonredux

    Matzoh is a type of water biscuit:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_biscuit

    If you've ever had Carr's Table Water Crackers, they are basically the same thing as matzoh and people pay good money for them and eat them without religious compulsion.

    Personally I am so sick of matzoh after a week of eating it every Passover that I don't touch the stuff again until the next Passover.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  185. @syonredux
    @Dave Pinsen


    Matzoh is called “the bread of affliction”. It’s not supposed to be tasty
     
    I liked matzo when I was a kid. Used to snack on it all the time.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Matzoh is a type of water biscuit:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_biscuit

    If you’ve ever had Carr’s Table Water Crackers, they are basically the same thing as matzoh and people pay good money for them and eat them without religious compulsion.

    Personally I am so sick of matzoh after a week of eating it every Passover that I don’t touch the stuff again until the next Passover.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Jack D

    My mother once took her Lab to a dog agility class, and the trainer gave him Carr's water crackers as treats.

  186. @Olorin
    @AndrewR

    You obviously didn't grow up in the Pulla/Nisu Belt.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    The Pulla/Nisu belt? Is that in Minnesota or Finland? Lihapiirakka is pretty doughy also, but I don’t mind.

  187. @Mark Caplan
    There's another take on "white bread" that hasn't been addressed. WASP culture once had a Calvinistic strain that eschewed showiness, self-indulgence, physical pleasures. Within that culture, a "foodie" would have cut a ridiculous figure. Eating was something done of necessity and never a topic of conversation. Food was best served plain and bland. White bread filled the bill and came to exemplify the way of the WASP, at least in the minds of those of a more hedonistic culture.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The traditional stereotype of WASPs was that they had little food in the fridge.

  188. @Some Economist
    I'm gonna try for an uptown girl / She's been living in her white bread world / As long as anyone with hot blood can / And now she's looking for a downtown man…

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome

    I’m gonna try for an uptown girl / She’s been living in her white bread world / As long as anyone with hot blood can / And now she’s looking for a downtown man…

    Too everyone arguing that the white-bread world referred to is about class an not race, watch the video and observe how the director chose the ethnicity of the actors to play the roles. The actress chosen was Christie Brinkley, a blonde white woman whose parent’s names were Hudson and Bowling, with a 100% black and ethnic cast for the mechanics.

    Billy Joel – Uptown Girl

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    She was also Billy Joel's wife.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  189. @Stan Adams
    @Dave Pinsen


    Star Trek is an interesting case of deliberately dumbing down and increasing the action levels to appeal to a broader base though.
     
    TOS as we know it was "dumbed down" at the behest of NBC executives. They found Gene Roddenberry's first pilot, starring Jeffrey Hunter, "too cerebral" for the television-watching masses. So Roddenberry ended the second pilot with a good, old-fashioned, shirt-ripping fistfight in which Captain James R.* Kirk, portrayed by the inimitable William Shatner, pummels the bad guy literally into his grave.

    That being said, J.J. Abrams can take his remakes and ride a big, fat rocket all the way to the Gamma Quadrant.

    *Watch the show and look at the headstone.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Yeah, yeah, I know all about the original pilot. But as you know, it was later recycled into a two-parter, when Spock takes over the Enterprise to take the grievously-debilitated Captain Pike back to the forbidden planet.

    Never noticed the “R.” though.

  190. @JSM
    @SFG

    Also, don't forget: Movies made before 1960 had the Hays Code to contend with.

    Hays created, in conjunction with Catholic Legion of Decency, his Code the 1930s in order to condemn movies that "lower the moral standards of viewers and promises that the sympathy of the audience shall never be thrown to the side of crime, wrongdoing, evil, or sin."


    The Code remained a firm brake on Jewish inclinations to make and distribute smut until 1966, when an aide to Lyndon Johnson, a fellow named Jack Valenti, became head of MPAA and began revising the Code to loosen restrictions.

    So, yeah, movies made before the 1960s were wholesome and decent. Not due to some kind of admiral personally-assumed moral restraint on the part of Jewish producers however. The wholesomeness was due to Catholic pressure.

    As soon as the pressure was off, the Jewish movie producers began making and distributing trash, and the phenomenon has only continued to increase, anything with Seth Rogan in it, for example.

    http://ncac.org/resource/a-brief-history-of-film-censorship

    Replies: @syonredux, @Dave Pinsen

    Not an expert on Seth Rogen’s oeuvre, but he was in Knocked Up, which fairly wholesome by modern standards (slacker pothead gets a job, settles down with girl he knocked up; girl looks past slacker guy’s flaws to see he’d make a devoted father).

  191. @kaganovitch
    @Dave Pinsen

    Reuben Sandwiches are hardly traditional Jewish cuisine . They are as "treyf" as you can get.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I’m aware they’re not kosher. But I think it still counts as Jewish (-American) cuisine.

  192. @Jack D
    @syonredux

    Matzoh is a type of water biscuit:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_biscuit

    If you've ever had Carr's Table Water Crackers, they are basically the same thing as matzoh and people pay good money for them and eat them without religious compulsion.

    Personally I am so sick of matzoh after a week of eating it every Passover that I don't touch the stuff again until the next Passover.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    My mother once took her Lab to a dog agility class, and the trainer gave him Carr’s water crackers as treats.

  193. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Some Economist



    I’m gonna try for an uptown girl / She’s been living in her white bread world / As long as anyone with hot blood can / And now she’s looking for a downtown man…

     

    Too everyone arguing that the white-bread world referred to is about class an not race, watch the video and observe how the director chose the ethnicity of the actors to play the roles. The actress chosen was Christie Brinkley, a blonde white woman whose parent's names were Hudson and Bowling, with a 100% black and ethnic cast for the mechanics.

    Billy Joel - Uptown Girl

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    She was also Billy Joel’s wife.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Dave Pinsen

    Not at the time, she wasn't.

  194. @SFG
    @Bee

    It's a good point, and the reason why most conservatives are just fine with movies made before 1960.

    I suspect the old movie directors wouldn't know Cultural Marxism from a pastrami sandwich, but once the generation that had passed through college (and naturally picked up all the lefty ideas) got their hands on the studios, they started producing the dreck you're familiar with.

    Also don't forget the role of pressure groups--Hollywood keeps producing masculine leads for action movies because they sell, but if they keep using white males the NAACP and all the feminist bloggers will complain and raise crap like #OscarsSoWhite, so they include just enough diversity to be profitable.

    That said they could make a lot more money making Christian movies for that market, and they always leave those bucks on the table.

    Replies: @JSM, @Mr. Anon, @Steve Sailer

    What fraction of the hugely successful big name directors in Hollywood between 1970-2010 are no more than two degrees of separation from right wing gun nut John Milius?

    Coppola, Spielberg, Lucas, Eastwood, Zemeckis, the Coens, producer Kathleen Kennedy who is now in charge of the Star Wars brand … it’s a long list.

  195. @Expletive Deleted
    @European-American

    S'ils n'ont pas de pain blanc, qu'ils mangent du khobz - Merkel-Angèle, reine de l'Europe

    Replies: @Mark Caplan

    khobz = pita

  196. @cthulhu
    @Cwhatfuture

    I grew up in the South too, around plenty of poor white trash. They were mostly unpleasant people, maybe even deserving of the epithets and discrimination heaped on them. But goddammit, they were our poor white trash, not anybody else's, and outsiders didn't have the right to make fun of them - that kind of broad brush tarred all of us. That's why terms like white-bread are offensive to me; even trailer trash deserve not to be called names by people who don't know them.

    Replies: @NOTA, @Jim Don Bob, @Brutusale

  197. @Dave Pinsen
    @Olorin

    Matzoh is called "the bread of affliction". It's not supposed to be tasty. That doesn't excuse all of the rest of Jewish cuisine, but it was fairly similar to local non-Jewish cuisine. For example, the Ukrainian restaurant Veselka in New York serves matzoh ball soup and blintzes. And Mizrahi Jewish food is pretty similar to local Arab cuisine (though Israeli-style felafel in pital tends to be tastier than most Arab-style).

    New York metro diners generally incorporate elements of Jewish, Italian, and Greek (obviously) cuisines. For example, French Toast is commonly made with challah, matzoh ball is in the soup rotation, and Reuben sandwiches are usually on the menu.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @syonredux, @Brutusale

    If you want transcendent French toast, get a loaf of good Portuguese sweet bread (King’s Hawaiian bread in some benighted areas) on Wednesday, let it get a bit stale and use it for Sunday breakfast/brunch.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    Lots of European cuisines have breads that are enriched with some combination of eggs, milk, fat and/or sugar. Usually these were special occassion breads - challah (Jews considered every Sabbath to be a holiday), Easter bread, Christmas bread, etc.

    Jews, generally speaking, don't actually have a separate cuisine (or architecture or music, etc.) - it always reflects the society that they live in. Except that in the case of cuisine, the local recipes sometimes have to be modified to reflect Jewish dietary laws. Because dairy and meat are not served together and because bread can be eaten at any meal, Jewish breads must contain neither, so challah uses vegetable oil and water rather than butter and milk, which makes challah a touch less delicious than pan doce or other rich European breads (brioche, etc.).

  198. @Salger
    @Dave Pinsen

    Charles Murray is a shining example of how the Libertarian Party is currently the party for those who dig their guns and doubt Affirmative Action too much to vote Democrat, but dig weed and back faggotry too much to vote Republican. Watch Murray's hostility to Trump.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @NOTA

    Murray has been pretty clear about his objections to Trump for quite awhile. They’re mostly about Trump’s character and understanding, not about his positions. And in fact, Trump’s positions are probably closer to Murray’s in many areas (like immigration) than, say, Romney’s positions.

    Politics is a team sport, and it’s fun putting on your jersey and cheering on your side, but it’s also important not to let the team spirit overwhelm your brain. Murray has been talking sense on all sorts of issues, bravely and in the face of some quite nasty opposition, for the last three decades or so. When he says he thinks Trump is unsuited by temprament to be president, I think that’s actually what he means–the same way I think he means it when he talks openly about the importance of intelligence as measured by IQ scores, the black/white IQ difference, the nature of affirmative action, etc. He’s demonstrated over many years that he’s willing to say stuff that will piss off his friends and ideological allies if he thinks it’s true. That gives him a lot more credibility than someone like Karl Rove, who will demonstrably say whatever he thinks will give him and his side a momentary advantage.

    • Replies: @Salger
    @NOTA

    In other words, Trump's a mean jerkface so Murray won't vote for him.

  199. @Mr. Anon
    @Bee

    "The dad from Greek Wedding strikes again! “Greeks created everything great”"

    I was the one who pointed out that that reference fits you.

    "“Jews ruined my life by doing everything bad, and also by making Deliverance”."

    No, my life is just fine. I have nothing in particular against Jews, and I think Deliverance was a good movie. But obviously you can't be bothered to read what people actually write before you reply to them.

    "Jews were still responsible for an endless amount of films glorifying small town American life in the 1930s/40s/50s, etc., probably all the way to some films today."

    How much glorification of small-town life does Hollywood do today? How favorably and /or even just accurately are conservatives, christians, and traditional minded gentiles portrayed in modern TV and movies. You could claim their portrayal is fair and respectful, but you would clearly be wrong - by observation.

    Replies: @NOTA

    The people who make TV and movies see small towns in the bible belt the same way they see other weird, exotic locales like African villages or uncontacted tribes in the Amazon rainforest. They know nothing about these locations, have never been there, and don’t know anyone else who knows anything about them either, and so they draw on stereotypes and images from movies and TV shows to fill in the blanks of their understanding.

  200. @NOTA
    @Salger

    Murray has been pretty clear about his objections to Trump for quite awhile. They're mostly about Trump's character and understanding, not about his positions. And in fact, Trump's positions are probably closer to Murray's in many areas (like immigration) than, say, Romney's positions.

    Politics is a team sport, and it's fun putting on your jersey and cheering on your side, but it's also important not to let the team spirit overwhelm your brain. Murray has been talking sense on all sorts of issues, bravely and in the face of some quite nasty opposition, for the last three decades or so. When he says he thinks Trump is unsuited by temprament to be president, I think that's actually what he means--the same way I think he means it when he talks openly about the importance of intelligence as measured by IQ scores, the black/white IQ difference, the nature of affirmative action, etc. He's demonstrated over many years that he's willing to say stuff that will piss off his friends and ideological allies if he thinks it's true. That gives him a lot more credibility than someone like Karl Rove, who will demonstrably say whatever he thinks will give him and his side a momentary advantage.

    Replies: @Salger

    In other words, Trump’s a mean jerkface so Murray won’t vote for him.

  201. This sounds like a description of the archetype outsider Jew at war with Christian culture and society, but it’s actually Alistair Cooke’s description of his friend H. L. Mencken, and is written in admiration:

    He decided on his life work: to be the native American Voltaire, the enemy of all puritans, the heretic in the Sunday school, the one-man demolition crew of the genteel tradition, the unregenerate neighborhood brat who stretches a string in the alley to trip the bourgeoisie on its pious journey.

    – Alistair Cooke, introduction to The Vintage Mencken.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Mark Caplan


    This sounds like a description of the archetype outsider Jew at war with Christian culture and society, but it’s actually Alistair Cooke’s description of his friend H. L. Mencken, and is written in admiration:

    He decided on his life work: to be the native American Voltaire, the enemy of all puritans, the heretic in the Sunday school, the one-man demolition crew of the genteel tradition, the unregenerate neighborhood brat who stretches a string in the alley to trip the bourgeoisie on its pious journey.

    – Alistair Cooke, introduction to The Vintage Mencken.
     
    There was also an ethnic dimension to Mencken's writing. He grew up in a German-American enclave and always viewed Anglo-Saxons as racially inferior:

    This reluctance for desperate chances and hard odds, so obvious in the military record of the English-speaking nations, is also conspicuous in times of peace. What a man of another and superior stock almost always notices, living among so-called Anglo-Saxons, is (a) their incapacity for prevailing in fair rivalry, either in trade, in the fine arts or in what is called learning–in brief, their general incompetence, and (b) their invariable effort to make up for this incapacity by putting some inequitable burden upon their rivals, usually by force.
     
  202. @Mark Caplan
    This sounds like a description of the archetype outsider Jew at war with Christian culture and society, but it's actually Alistair Cooke's description of his friend H. L. Mencken, and is written in admiration:

    He decided on his life work: to be the native American Voltaire, the enemy of all puritans, the heretic in the Sunday school, the one-man demolition crew of the genteel tradition, the unregenerate neighborhood brat who stretches a string in the alley to trip the bourgeoisie on its pious journey.

     

    - Alistair Cooke, introduction to The Vintage Mencken.

    Replies: @syonredux

    This sounds like a description of the archetype outsider Jew at war with Christian culture and society, but it’s actually Alistair Cooke’s description of his friend H. L. Mencken, and is written in admiration:

    He decided on his life work: to be the native American Voltaire, the enemy of all puritans, the heretic in the Sunday school, the one-man demolition crew of the genteel tradition, the unregenerate neighborhood brat who stretches a string in the alley to trip the bourgeoisie on its pious journey.

    – Alistair Cooke, introduction to The Vintage Mencken.

    There was also an ethnic dimension to Mencken’s writing. He grew up in a German-American enclave and always viewed Anglo-Saxons as racially inferior:

    This reluctance for desperate chances and hard odds, so obvious in the military record of the English-speaking nations, is also conspicuous in times of peace. What a man of another and superior stock almost always notices, living among so-called Anglo-Saxons, is (a) their incapacity for prevailing in fair rivalry, either in trade, in the fine arts or in what is called learning–in brief, their general incompetence, and (b) their invariable effort to make up for this incapacity by putting some inequitable burden upon their rivals, usually by force.

  203. @Brutusale
    @Dave Pinsen

    If you want transcendent French toast, get a loaf of good Portuguese sweet bread (King's Hawaiian bread in some benighted areas) on Wednesday, let it get a bit stale and use it for Sunday breakfast/brunch.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Lots of European cuisines have breads that are enriched with some combination of eggs, milk, fat and/or sugar. Usually these were special occassion breads – challah (Jews considered every Sabbath to be a holiday), Easter bread, Christmas bread, etc.

    Jews, generally speaking, don’t actually have a separate cuisine (or architecture or music, etc.) – it always reflects the society that they live in. Except that in the case of cuisine, the local recipes sometimes have to be modified to reflect Jewish dietary laws. Because dairy and meat are not served together and because bread can be eaten at any meal, Jewish breads must contain neither, so challah uses vegetable oil and water rather than butter and milk, which makes challah a touch less delicious than pan doce or other rich European breads (brioche, etc.).

  204. @The Z Blog
    The so-called conservative intellectuals hate Trump for the oldest of reasons to hate a man - money. The boys and girls of the the conservative media were all hoping to land a gig in the next GOP administration. Hundreds of liberals landed in the Obama administration. That's how it works around here. It's a company town.

    Bill Kristol hired an interior decorator last year, figuring he was going to have an office in the West Wing in the Jeb Bush administration. He worked for both Bushes so he surely was expecting to work for the next one or one of his ideological doppelgangers.

    Jonah Goldberg's wife worked in the Bush administration. You can be sure she was out buying work clothes last summer, figuring she was going to land in the next GOP administration. Eight years of six figure pay and benefits, plus a book is good money. Throw in the insider access, speaking fees and board appointments and Trump is a million dollar disaster for the Goldberg family.

    Seven of the ten richest counties are attached to DC for a reason.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @woodNfish

    Seven of the ten richest counties are attached to DC for a reason.

    Yes, because “crime pays” is a truism.

  205. @Svigor

    On the banks of the Ohio river where I first opened my eyes, a typical dinner was corn bread and black-eyed peas.
     
    That's a traditional staple here in the low country, too. Mmmm, cornbread (with a chunk of butter) and black-eyed peas. Coupla pork chops and some collard greens and you're set.

    And on the contrary, proper SOS involves lots of cheddar (in the sauce) and goes well with whole grain toast, or drop biscuits.

    Replies: @Kylie

    We skways had cornbread with navy beans and ham hocks.

  206. @Jack D
    @Buffalo Joe

    The version with bread crumbs instead of cheese is true cucina povera. A sure giveaway is the combination of starch with more starch. You see this in Jewish and E. European cuisine also - dough filled with potatoes or buckwheat (knishes, pirogi, etc.) Extra points for re-using stale bread. In the old country they would bake bread once a week for the whole week (fuel ain't cheap). When you are really poor then meat and cheese are not in the budget. My father would scoff at all the fat "poor" people in America - where he was from, poor people never weighed 300 lbs. - they were as skinny as supermodels.

    A secret is to save a little of the pasta cooking water before you drain it and put that back in the sauce.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Jack, I think there may be a bit of the Boot in your genealogy. Starch with starch, as in Gnocchi, riced potatoes mixed with flour and eggs to make a pasta dough. My second favorite pasta dish.

  207. White bread to me connotes sameness, like the phrase “cookie cutter homes.” White bread, at least in Wonder Bread and Bond Bread were loaves formed in a pan and cut to uniform thickness. Italian bread, French bread, and the like, hand kneaded and hand shaped…. no two loaves exactly the same.

  208. @SPMoore8
    @PiltdownMan

    I eat Wonder Bread (or similar locally baked breads) all the time: it's the perfect medium for peanut butter. It's also very good for bologna/ham and cheese, grilled cheese, and tuna salad.

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Wheat breads, ryes, pumpernickels: those are fine for some sandwiches but not for all sandwiches.

    Replies: @Expletive Deleted, @K.

    What sandwiches do you make with pumpernickel?

  209. Pumpernickel (a dark rough variety) is good with any kind of cold leftover red meats (including pork) or sausages, hash, or scrapple; with kraut, mustard, or horseradish, and big slabs of a mild cheese (Muenster) or leftover potatoes or potato salad (red skin). That’s a meal. Pumpernickel has a sourness to it but it doesn’t have the aftertaste of rye, which I know is good for patty melts and reubens but I rarely eat those. For general bread and butter I will eat either local Italian bread, San Francisco sourdough (which I order and which is a terrific complement to any Italian meal), or pumpernickel. Because of the taste, I wouldn’t recommend chicken or turkey for hard dark breads: sourdough or Italian bread are best. Wheat toast is strictly for breakfast. White bread is mostly for PB&J, but it’s good for toast, grilled cheese, and grocery store level bologna and cheese, etc.

    • Replies: @K.
    @SPMoore8

    The pumpernickel I've had was too crumbly to do/make practically anything with. Just goes to show, I suppose, how important it is to get your bread from the right baker.

  210. @Pat Casey
    A friend of mine working in the restaurant industry one time clued me in on how waiters haggle over whose going to take the hit on the tip when some "Canadians" walk through the door.

    Speaking of Canadians and ethnic slurs that nobody notices are ethnic slurs, the one David Foster Wallace got away with in Infinite Jest, which recently turned twenty with many plaudits including a profound one in the New York Times, the one he got away with approximately until the day before yesterday, turns out, to an ear that can hear the ghost of James Joyce, and catches the signal clue in the pertinent scene that summons him, flat out smack dab straight up equals calling certain Jewish Jews "fatuous rodents." Quebecois separatists wheelchair assassins, yea right ahahahahaaha

    Here is a relevant passage from D.T. Max's biography of DFW, Every Love Story is a Ghost Story, about the young writer's time as a grad student at Arizona:

    “There’s a fine and moving story here, David,” Penner wrote his student in response. “It’s about half as long.” A conservative Jew himself, Penner found Wallace’s idea of Jews as targets of comedy “mildly offensive” and remembers wondering why Wallace kept submitting stories about people of his own religion to him. Other students assumed it was Wallace’s attempt to get under the skin of a professor who was not giving him the praise he expected. If so, it may have worked. Penner saw the talent that Wallace possessed and felt he was misusing it. At one point, he took Wallace aside and told him that if he continued to write the way he was he was writing “we’d hate to lose you.”
     
    For anyone interested in theorizing a conspiracy about how the prestige press handles so much cake on their face as Infinite Jest splattered, try to make sense of how that incident is cited by Max at the back of the book. Then there was a rumor I read on some blog post I somehow wound up at that claimed at some point after Infinite Jest had become a book, the word went around NY publishing establishment that no more books past x number of words should be allowed to go to print, and the number of words seemed to amount to the page the tease about fatuous rodents comes out full bloom. All of it reminds me of Leo Strauss.

    Replies: @Kyle

    I used to work as a lifeguard in Atlantic city. “Canadians” was short hand for Canadian rock fish.

  211. @George
    The experts at Urban Dictionary say White Bread is not racial.

    It might actually be more of a way of separating German Jews, rye bread, from typical American culture. In the Movie Annie Hall Woody Allen gets upset when Annie Hall puts (bland) mayonnaise on her pastrami on rye instead of mustard.

    {Though whitebread individuals are usually white, the term is not necessarily racial in meaning - the implication lies more with the blandness, predictability, and banality of plain white bread. Accordingly, "wonderbread" is often used as a synonym."

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whitebread

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Nope. Whitebread is a racial slur. So is Wonderbread(tm).

  212. @SPMoore8
    Pumpernickel (a dark rough variety) is good with any kind of cold leftover red meats (including pork) or sausages, hash, or scrapple; with kraut, mustard, or horseradish, and big slabs of a mild cheese (Muenster) or leftover potatoes or potato salad (red skin). That's a meal. Pumpernickel has a sourness to it but it doesn't have the aftertaste of rye, which I know is good for patty melts and reubens but I rarely eat those. For general bread and butter I will eat either local Italian bread, San Francisco sourdough (which I order and which is a terrific complement to any Italian meal), or pumpernickel. Because of the taste, I wouldn't recommend chicken or turkey for hard dark breads: sourdough or Italian bread are best. Wheat toast is strictly for breakfast. White bread is mostly for PB&J, but it's good for toast, grilled cheese, and grocery store level bologna and cheese, etc.

    Replies: @K.

    The pumpernickel I’ve had was too crumbly to do/make practically anything with. Just goes to show, I suppose, how important it is to get your bread from the right baker.

  213. @Calogero
    I prefer white bread to brown bread, and I would never ever eat red bread, black bread, or yellow bread.

    Replies: @Che Guava

    Wow, Mr. Sailer gets many comments.

    If I see a flat that only has white factory bread, I immediately assume poor taste in food, and the inhabitant always demonstrates the same in other ways, if eating out.

    The only time I really liked it overseas, was for making ‘jaffles’, you put in fillings then enclose the two slices in metal and lightly bake to make something like a pie or a calcione.

    Very tasty with the right fillings.

    Brown bread: Nutritionally, not generally much better than hyper-refined white bread, some varieties are good.

    Black bread: Traditional main choice of white populations in much of central and eastern Europe, it is good for the gut, and has a good flavour.

    Yellow bread: I had an oven overseas, so I taught myself to make corn bread from polenta, it was very delicious from the second attempt.

    No home ovens and no polenta in Japan.

    Red bread: Never heard of it, so must suppose you just fail badly at metaphor.

    Too much sugar in white bread here, apart from some bakeries that make good baguettes, it turns from toast to burnt very quickly because of the sugar.

    Another thing not on sale here, crumpets! Lightly toasted, dripping with butter, jam, honey, maple syrup, or treacle on top, a true delicacy!

  214. @Dave Pinsen
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    She was also Billy Joel's wife.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Not at the time, she wasn’t.

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