1. German_reader says:

   August 30, 2017 at 1:01 am GMT • 100 Words

   That person seems to have an upcoming book scheduled for October:
   https://global.oup.com/academic/product/empire-of-ruin-9780190663599?cc=de&lang=en&

   Advances a new theory of “black classicism”
   Considers the function of classicism within American culture at large and reads black classicism as part of a larger critique of that culture
   Argues that classicism functions as a “language of power” and is itself central to the cultural hegemony that underlies and authorizes the regime of oppression and enslavement

   Hmm, I suppose that ties in with the concerns of Zuckerberg’s sister about using antiquity for white supremacy, or whatever.

   • Replies: @syonredux

   
   Hmm, I suppose that ties in with the concerns of Zuckerberg’s sister about using antiquity for white supremacy, or whatever.
    

   Wonder if re-designing America's monumental architecture in the Gothic Style would help.....probably not......
2. Wilkey says:

   August 30, 2017 at 1:09 am GMT • 100 Words

   I am not advocating the destruction of the Lincoln Memorial, I’m just sayin’ … that Lincoln statue, you know, looks awfully white.

   They don’t need to change the statue substantially. Just shoot off his nose, so that the Blaxicans living here thousands of years from now can assume that he actually looked like them.
3. David says:

   August 30, 2017 at 1:09 am GMT

   I wonder what it meant to the designers that his arms are resting on fasces, as in fascism. Anything that might justify opprobrium? Could it be construed that way? Fingers are crossed across America.

   • Replies: @segundo

   You beat me to it, David. Eventually, those fasces -- plus the points our ever-helpful "Tiny Duck" brought up -- WILL provide a pretext. These people never stop. There is no real endgame.
   
   BTW, Hitler spoke well of Lincoln's centralized govt/anti-state's rights policies. In MEIN KAMPF, Hitler writes that “individual states of the American Union . . . could not have possessed any state sovereignty of their own. For it was not these states that formed the Union, on the contrary it was the Union which formed a great part of such so-called states." This was also Lincoln’s view.
   
   Hitler goes on to say: “Certainly all the states in the world are moving toward a certain unification in their inner organization. And in this Germany will be no exception. Today it is an absurdity to speak of a ‘state sovereignty’ of individual provinces.” And further: “In particular we cannot grant to any individual state within the nation and the state representing it state sovereignty and sovereignty in point of political power."
   
   If a line can be drawn from neo-nazis to Trump, surely one can be drawn from fascism to Lincoln. Who knows where it will go from there?
4. Tiny Duck says:

   August 30, 2017 at 1:25 am GMT

   Lincoln believed whites were superior to Blacks so he has to go

   America has no place for white supremacy. It is a nation for all freedom loving people and NOT nazis.

   These racist statues do not represent the true diverse America
5. syonredux says:

   August 30, 2017 at 1:28 am GMT • 900 Words

   The stages of White erasure:

   Stage 1: Confederate Monuments

   Stage 2: Jefferson

   If these facts have made it easy to take issue with Trump’s lament for the lost “history and culture of our great country,” critics have been slower to acknowledge the potentially sound logic embedded in his ensuing question: if we object to the statue of Lee, why not to those of Washington and Jefferson? The typical response has been that these latter figures are different. Washington and Jefferson may have been slave owners, but unlike Lee they had other virtues; and while they founded the country in the name of freedom, Lee tore it apart in the name of slavery. But such attempts at distinction reveal a sense of history informed by monumentalism as well, only one that draws on a different set of figures. Jefferson, the actual architect of monumental structures at Monticello and the University of Virginia, was also deeply invested in the “political architecture” of what Sylvester Johnson has called “the white settler state.” Like the mob in Charlottesville last week, Jefferson openly espoused white supremacy and rejected categorically the notion of an interracial body politic. In these regards Jefferson was no mere owner of slaves, incidentally exploiting their labor and profiting by their sale as commodities, while otherwise laying the groundwork for some virtuous America of the future; he was the most prominent intellectual theorist of the white supremacist social order Lee later fought to uphold. As local activist Tanesha Hudson put it in an interview with Vice News, Jefferson’s presence looms at least as large as Lee’s in the town of Charlottesville: “You can’t stand in one corner of this city and not look at the master sitting on top of Monticello. He looks down on us, he’s been looking down on this city for god knows how long.”

   Stage 3: Lincoln

   It is perhaps all too obvious how Confederate monuments are born of and perpetuate an ideology of white supremacy, and in the wake of the events in Charlottesville we’ve seen an increasing consensus in favor of their removal. But Hudson’s remarks also suggest that this moment might offer an opportunity to reconsider even those monuments that may seem uncontroversial, and to reflect more deeply on the function of monumentalism within American culture more broadly. Consider, for example, a structure that is surely among the least controversial in the United States: the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC. Many will rightly associate this monument with the Civil Rights movement, recalling it as the site, most notably, of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s famous speech in 1963. But the monument was conceived less as a celebration of black emancipation than it was of white national reunion. Officially opened in May of 1922 — just two years before the Lee monument in Charlottesville — the Memorial’s dedication ceremony was racially segregated. While white Union and Confederate veterans stood side by side, black attendees were confined, as the Crisis magazine reported, to a seating area “a block away from the memorial in the grass and the weeds.”

   The inscription both emphasizes union over emancipation and begs the critical question of “for whom,” exactly, the Union had been saved. Similarly, when Trump laments the loss of “our history” the possessive pronoun does a great deal of ideological work, since the meaning of “we” — and not some abstract ideal of “historical” truth — is what is always at stake in these constructions. Just as the Lee monument and the mansion of Monticello articulate a white historical narrative at the ongoing expense of black Americans, so too does the Lincoln Memorial dispense with the unfinished business of emancipation by refocusing a white-centered body politic on a shared sense of an exceptional past and a providential future

   .

   And in case you think that the MLK Memorial is enough…..

   One might argue that the image of King at the Memorial effectively reclaims it for a narrative of liberation. But has this really been the case, or has the appropriation actually worked in reverse? Just as the Memorial solidified the transformation of the once controversial Lincoln into a figure of national consensus, so too has King been rendered entirely uncontroversial. The Republican Party — which supports voter suppression laws and routinely polls in the single digits among African Americans — self-identifies as the “Party of Lincoln,” and not even Donald Trump will speak ill of Martin Luther King, Jr. While King, like Moton before him, stood on the monument to emphasize the unfinished business of emancipation, both men have been assimilated to the progress narrative of unification that the monument was designed and continues to embody.

   In these regards the Lincoln Memorial is the most visible and venerated anchor of what David Blight has called the “reconciliationist” narrative of Civil War history, which worked in concert with a more overtly “white supremacist” narrative (exemplified by Confederate monuments) to triumph over an alternative narrative of emancipation. This reconciliationist narrative has allowed for the “both-sidesism” on display not only in Trump’s egregious equivocation regarding the violence in Charlottesville, but also in the sort of defense he has continued to mount for Confederate monuments themselves.

   So really, when you think about it, the Lincoln Memorial is, in ideological terms, identical to the Confederate Monuments….

   #LincolnWasAConfederate

   • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

   So it's already starting, and slowly beginning to gain ground. Knew they wouldn't be satisfied with just taking down the Confederate Battle Flag.
   
   Said before that Trump should nationalize every single Confederate, Union, Founding Father statue and monument. Make it a felony to tamper with, desecrate, destroy, etc. Better nip it in the bud before it gets worse.
   
   Can just see all the cucks like Kristol and Rich Lowry defending Lincoln and Washington once the SJW's demand for their removal.

   , @TTSSYF

   MLK regularly violated one of the ten commandments by committing adultery on a regular basis. If we're going to take down statues of flawed individuals, I say take them all down. And while we're at it, let's change street names back to their original names which, in the case of my city, would be Grand Central Blvd instead of Kennedy Blvd. Even sounds better -- much more inclusive.
6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

   August 30, 2017 at 1:30 am GMT

   “we might reconsider the nation’s larger commitment to the monumental celebration of “great” white men altogether. “- John Levi Barnard

   At this point, it’s pretty clear we should reconsider our nation’s commitments to men named Levi.

   • Replies: @Steve Sailer

   John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name.
7. JohnnyD says:

   August 30, 2017 at 1:32 am GMT

   We obviously need another MLK monument, even though there’s already an expensive one in Washington D.C.

   • Replies: @syonredux

   
   We obviously need another MLK monument, even though there’s already an expensive one in Washington D.C.
    

   Barnard has already explained why monuments to MLK aren't enough:

   
   One might argue that the image of King at the Memorial effectively reclaims it for a narrative of liberation. But has this really been the case, or has the appropriation actually worked in reverse? Just as the Memorial solidified the transformation of the once controversial Lincoln into a figure of national consensus, so too has King been rendered entirely uncontroversial. The Republican Party — which supports voter suppression laws and routinely polls in the single digits among African Americans — self-identifies as the “Party of Lincoln,” and not even Donald Trump will speak ill of Martin Luther King, Jr. While King, like Moton before him, stood on the monument to emphasize the unfinished business of emancipation, both men have been assimilated to the progress narrative of unification that the monument was designed and continues to embody.
    

   Clearly, the Lincoln Memorial has gotta come down.....And in its place we need to erect a monument to the WOKEST BLACK MAN OF ALL TIME:Jean-Jacques Dessalines

   
   Jean-Jacques Dessalines (French pronunciation: ​[ʒɑ̃ ʒak dɛs.salin]; 20 September 1758 – 17 October 1806) was a leader of the Haitian Revolution and the first ruler of an independent Haiti under the 1805 constitution. Initially regarded as governor-general, Dessalines later named himself Emperor Jacques I of Haiti (1804–1806). He is regarded as a founding father of Haiti.[1]
   Dessalines served as an officer in the French army, when the colony was fending off Spanish and British incursions. Later he rose to become a commander in the revolt against France. As Toussaint Louverture's principal lieutenant, he led many successful engagements, including the Battle of Crête-à-Pierrot.
   After the betrayal and capture of Toussaint Louverture in 1802, Dessalines became the leader of the revolution. He defeated a French army at the Battle of Vertières in 1803. Declaring Haiti an independent nation in 1804, Dessalines was chosen by a council of generals to assume the office of governor-general. He ordered the 1804 Haiti massacre of the white Haitian minority, resulting in the deaths of between 3,000 and 5,000 people, between February and April 1804
   

    

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Dessalines
8. Steve Sailer says: • Website

   August 30, 2017 at 1:37 am GMT

   @Anonymous

   "we might reconsider the nation’s larger commitment to the monumental celebration of “great” white men altogether. "- John Levi Barnard
   
   At this point, it's pretty clear we should reconsider our nation's commitments to men named Levi.

   John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name.

   • Replies: @syonredux

   "John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name."

   
   Levi Lincoln Sr. (May 15, 1749 – April 14, 1820) was an American revolutionary, lawyer, and statesman from Massachusetts. A Democratic-Republican, he most notably served as Thomas Jefferson's first Attorney General, and played a significant role in the events that led to the celebrated Marbury v. Madison court case. He served two terms as Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts, acting as Governor for the remainder of Governor James Sullivan's term after his death in December 1808. Lincoln was unsuccessful in his bid to be elected governor in his own right in 1809.
   Born in Hingham, Massachusetts, Lincoln was educated at Harvard, and studied law with Joseph Hawley before establishing a law practice in Worcester, Massachusetts. He was active in local politics, and participated in the convention that drafted the Massachusetts Constitution in 1779. He supported Quock Walker, a former slave seeking confirmation of his freedom under that constitution in 1783. He entered national politics with his election to the United States House of Representatives in 1800, but was immediately tapped by Jefferson to become Attorney General. Lincoln served Jefferson as a consultant on the politics of New England, and was influential in the distribution of patronage in the region. He served on a commission that resolved claims emanating from the Yazoo land scandal in Georgia, and advised Jefferson on matters related to the Louisiana Purchase.
   He returned to Massachusetts, where he remained politically active in the state. He established Republican dominance in Worcester, even though the state was dominated by Federalists. He was elected lieutenant governor under James Sullivan in 1807, but failed to win election in his own right in 1809 in a highly partisan election. He retired from politics in 1811, declining nomination to the Supreme Court because of his health. His descendants were a major influence in Worcester for much of the 19th century.
    

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Lincoln_Sr.

   , @Roderick Spode

   Indeed, a Bing (ha ha) search reveals records of several Old Dead White Men bearing the name. http://www.palmspringsbum.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I35810
   
   I for one cannot determine through cursory investigation whether or not the fellow who wrote the article above is Jewish. If so, he's really not fighting stereotypes here.

   , @Jake

   "John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name."
   
   Exactly.
   
   It also sounds like a 17th century Anglo-Saxon Puritan name.
   
   Judaizing heresy leads directly to pro-Jewish Elites, who will despise almost all 'other' white Christians.

   , @Desiderius

   That's where today's Jews got the snobbery.

   , @Mike Zwick

   My favorite 19th Century name was Philander Chase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philander_Chase

   , @Colleen Pater

   I think you may be right. But being a native new yorker of a certain age I actually watched the process of the bright young things from the heartland arrive in NYC and be indoctrinated into the jewish intellectual hegemony.Of course this began in the 1800s and continues today. John Reed for if I recall joined the communist club at harvard where he met its founder a famous jew, reed went from there to infect several prominent and influential arts communities.one of those communities was theatre related which my parents became a part of through stella adler. Our house was a sort of hub of the nyc theatre scene and dominated by jews who I grew up to love and admire and notice things about.One thing I noticed is they never saw themselves as us, they always always had side conversations going sometimes whispered to a child's volume, sometimes when a bit drunk or feeling particularly comfortable, or particularly vexed out loud.what did they say. Lets just say an anti semitic conspiracist couldn't wish for more damning evidence. later i found this went on in all the jewish dominated field I encountered academia, real estate, law, finance. It was always them against us, sometimes it was less political and more economic.This idea that WASPs are the real marxists never rang true. What I saw was wasps wanted to do good build good institutions jews wanted to undermine. jewish leftism is different it seems to subtly subvert good leftism using its own principles and make it morbid leftism.abolition vs black panthers, suffragettes vs today's feminism,abolishing workhouses vs communism.
9. Anon • Disclaimer says:

   August 30, 2017 at 1:41 am GMT • 100 Words

   A 1st World problem.

   All the benefits are great, but what if you did nothing to create or establish them?

   To escape the hit to the ego one could make a bunch of nonsense protests or go back to an area without the 1st World benefits.

   I wonder what they will choose?
10. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 1:44 am GMT • 300 Words

    @Steve Sailer

    John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name.

    “John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name.”

    Levi Lincoln Sr. (May 15, 1749 – April 14, 1820) was an American revolutionary, lawyer, and statesman from Massachusetts. A Democratic-Republican, he most notably served as Thomas Jefferson’s first Attorney General, and played a significant role in the events that led to the celebrated Marbury v. Madison court case. He served two terms as Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts, acting as Governor for the remainder of Governor James Sullivan’s term after his death in December 1808. Lincoln was unsuccessful in his bid to be elected governor in his own right in 1809.
    Born in Hingham, Massachusetts, Lincoln was educated at Harvard, and studied law with Joseph Hawley before establishing a law practice in Worcester, Massachusetts. He was active in local politics, and participated in the convention that drafted the Massachusetts Constitution in 1779. He supported Quock Walker, a former slave seeking confirmation of his freedom under that constitution in 1783. He entered national politics with his election to the United States House of Representatives in 1800, but was immediately tapped by Jefferson to become Attorney General. Lincoln served Jefferson as a consultant on the politics of New England, and was influential in the distribution of patronage in the region. He served on a commission that resolved claims emanating from the Yazoo land scandal in Georgia, and advised Jefferson on matters related to the Louisiana Purchase.
    He returned to Massachusetts, where he remained politically active in the state. He established Republican dominance in Worcester, even though the state was dominated by Federalists. He was elected lieutenant governor under James Sullivan in 1807, but failed to win election in his own right in 1809 in a highly partisan election. He retired from politics in 1811, declining nomination to the Supreme Court because of his health. His descendants were a major influence in Worcester for much of the 19th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Lincoln_Sr.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    
    Levi Lincoln Jr. (October 25, 1782 – May 29, 1868) was an American lawyer and politician from Worcester, Massachusetts. He was the 13th Governor of Massachusetts (1825–1834) and represented the state in the U.S. Congress (1834–1841). Lincoln's nine-year tenure as governor is the longest consecutive service in state history; only Michael Dukakis (12 years), John Hancock (11 years) and Caleb Strong (10 years) served more years, but they were not consecutive.
    Born to Levi Lincoln Sr., a prominent Worcester lawyer, he studied law and entered the state legislature in 1812 as a Democratic-Republican. He supported the War of 1812 (a minority position in Federalist-dominated Massachusetts) and opposed the Hartford Convention. Over the next ten years his politics moderated, and he was elected governor in 1825 in a nonpartisan landslide after serving one year on the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court. Lincoln oversaw significant economic development in Massachusetts during his tenure and issued the first-ever veto by a Massachusetts governor. Lincoln and Daniel Webster were leading forces in the foundation of the National Republican (later Whig) Party in Massachusetts, which dominated state politics until the 1850s.
    Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1835, serving in the House of Representatives until 1841, when President William Henry Harrison appointed him collector of the Port of Boston. He was a major civic and philanthropic force in Worcester, owning and developing land in the city, and serving as its first mayor in 1848.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Lincoln_Jr.
11. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 1:45 am GMT • 200 Words

    @syonredux

    "John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name."

    
    Levi Lincoln Sr. (May 15, 1749 – April 14, 1820) was an American revolutionary, lawyer, and statesman from Massachusetts. A Democratic-Republican, he most notably served as Thomas Jefferson's first Attorney General, and played a significant role in the events that led to the celebrated Marbury v. Madison court case. He served two terms as Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts, acting as Governor for the remainder of Governor James Sullivan's term after his death in December 1808. Lincoln was unsuccessful in his bid to be elected governor in his own right in 1809.
    Born in Hingham, Massachusetts, Lincoln was educated at Harvard, and studied law with Joseph Hawley before establishing a law practice in Worcester, Massachusetts. He was active in local politics, and participated in the convention that drafted the Massachusetts Constitution in 1779. He supported Quock Walker, a former slave seeking confirmation of his freedom under that constitution in 1783. He entered national politics with his election to the United States House of Representatives in 1800, but was immediately tapped by Jefferson to become Attorney General. Lincoln served Jefferson as a consultant on the politics of New England, and was influential in the distribution of patronage in the region. He served on a commission that resolved claims emanating from the Yazoo land scandal in Georgia, and advised Jefferson on matters related to the Louisiana Purchase.
    He returned to Massachusetts, where he remained politically active in the state. He established Republican dominance in Worcester, even though the state was dominated by Federalists. He was elected lieutenant governor under James Sullivan in 1807, but failed to win election in his own right in 1809 in a highly partisan election. He retired from politics in 1811, declining nomination to the Supreme Court because of his health. His descendants were a major influence in Worcester for much of the 19th century.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Lincoln_Sr.

    Levi Lincoln Jr. (October 25, 1782 – May 29, 1868) was an American lawyer and politician from Worcester, Massachusetts. He was the 13th Governor of Massachusetts (1825–1834) and represented the state in the U.S. Congress (1834–1841). Lincoln’s nine-year tenure as governor is the longest consecutive service in state history; only Michael Dukakis (12 years), John Hancock (11 years) and Caleb Strong (10 years) served more years, but they were not consecutive.
    Born to Levi Lincoln Sr., a prominent Worcester lawyer, he studied law and entered the state legislature in 1812 as a Democratic-Republican. He supported the War of 1812 (a minority position in Federalist-dominated Massachusetts) and opposed the Hartford Convention. Over the next ten years his politics moderated, and he was elected governor in 1825 in a nonpartisan landslide after serving one year on the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court. Lincoln oversaw significant economic development in Massachusetts during his tenure and issued the first-ever veto by a Massachusetts governor. Lincoln and Daniel Webster were leading forces in the foundation of the National Republican (later Whig) Party in Massachusetts, which dominated state politics until the 1850s.
    Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1835, serving in the House of Representatives until 1841, when President William Henry Harrison appointed him collector of the Port of Boston. He was a major civic and philanthropic force in Worcester, owning and developing land in the city, and serving as its first mayor in 1848.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Lincoln_Jr.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    
    Levi Parsons Morton (May 16, 1824 – May 16, 1920) was a Representative from New York and the 22nd Vice President of the United States (1889–93). He later served as the 31st Governor of New York.
    Born in Vermont, Morton was the son of a Congregational minister. He was educated in Vermont, and trained for a business career by clerking in stores and working in mercantile establishments in New Hampshire and Massachusetts. After relocating to New York City, Morton became a successful merchant, cotton broker, and investment banker.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_P._Morton
12. Massimo Heitor says:

    August 30, 2017 at 1:46 am GMT

    Lincoln mass murdered American civilians. He is a villain, not a hero. Put John Wilkes Booth on the $5!!!!
13. Cwhatfuture says:

    August 30, 2017 at 1:46 am GMT

    This country is turning into a giant version of Lord of the Flies. We don’t need the Lincoln statue. We don’t need the Constitution. We don’t need the Nation. We can stick a pig’s head on a stick.
14. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 1:47 am GMT • 100 Words

    @syonredux

    
    Levi Lincoln Jr. (October 25, 1782 – May 29, 1868) was an American lawyer and politician from Worcester, Massachusetts. He was the 13th Governor of Massachusetts (1825–1834) and represented the state in the U.S. Congress (1834–1841). Lincoln's nine-year tenure as governor is the longest consecutive service in state history; only Michael Dukakis (12 years), John Hancock (11 years) and Caleb Strong (10 years) served more years, but they were not consecutive.
    Born to Levi Lincoln Sr., a prominent Worcester lawyer, he studied law and entered the state legislature in 1812 as a Democratic-Republican. He supported the War of 1812 (a minority position in Federalist-dominated Massachusetts) and opposed the Hartford Convention. Over the next ten years his politics moderated, and he was elected governor in 1825 in a nonpartisan landslide after serving one year on the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court. Lincoln oversaw significant economic development in Massachusetts during his tenure and issued the first-ever veto by a Massachusetts governor. Lincoln and Daniel Webster were leading forces in the foundation of the National Republican (later Whig) Party in Massachusetts, which dominated state politics until the 1850s.
    Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1835, serving in the House of Representatives until 1841, when President William Henry Harrison appointed him collector of the Port of Boston. He was a major civic and philanthropic force in Worcester, owning and developing land in the city, and serving as its first mayor in 1848.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Lincoln_Jr.

    Levi Parsons Morton (May 16, 1824 – May 16, 1920) was a Representative from New York and the 22nd Vice President of the United States (1889–93). He later served as the 31st Governor of New York.
    Born in Vermont, Morton was the son of a Congregational minister. He was educated in Vermont, and trained for a business career by clerking in stores and working in mercantile establishments in New Hampshire and Massachusetts. After relocating to New York City, Morton became a successful merchant, cotton broker, and investment banker.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_P._Morton

    • Replies: @syonredux

    
    Levi Woodbury (December 22, 1789 – September 4, 1851) was an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, a U.S. Senator, the 9th Governor of New Hampshire, and cabinet member in three administrations.
    After establishing a legal practice, Woodbury was appointed to the New Hampshire Senate in 1816 and the New Hampshire Supreme Court in 1817. In 1823, he won election as the Governor of New Hampshire, serving until 1824. The following year, he won election to the United States Senate, holding office from 1825 to 1831. He became affiliated with the Democratic Party of Andrew Jackson. He served as the United States Secretary of the Navy under President Jackson and as the United States Secretary of the Treasury under Jackson and President Martin Van Buren.
    He served another term representing New Hampshire in the Senate from 1841 to 1845, when he accepted President James K. Polk's appointment to the Supreme Court. He was the first Justice to have attended law school.[a] Woodbury received significant support for the presidential nomination at the 1848 Democratic National Convention, particularly among New England delegates, but the nomination went to Lewis Cass. Woodbury served on the court until his death in 1851.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Woodbury
15. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 1:48 am GMT • 200 Words

    @syonredux

    
    Levi Parsons Morton (May 16, 1824 – May 16, 1920) was a Representative from New York and the 22nd Vice President of the United States (1889–93). He later served as the 31st Governor of New York.
    Born in Vermont, Morton was the son of a Congregational minister. He was educated in Vermont, and trained for a business career by clerking in stores and working in mercantile establishments in New Hampshire and Massachusetts. After relocating to New York City, Morton became a successful merchant, cotton broker, and investment banker.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_P._Morton

    Levi Woodbury (December 22, 1789 – September 4, 1851) was an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, a U.S. Senator, the 9th Governor of New Hampshire, and cabinet member in three administrations.
    After establishing a legal practice, Woodbury was appointed to the New Hampshire Senate in 1816 and the New Hampshire Supreme Court in 1817. In 1823, he won election as the Governor of New Hampshire, serving until 1824. The following year, he won election to the United States Senate, holding office from 1825 to 1831. He became affiliated with the Democratic Party of Andrew Jackson. He served as the United States Secretary of the Navy under President Jackson and as the United States Secretary of the Treasury under Jackson and President Martin Van Buren.
    He served another term representing New Hampshire in the Senate from 1841 to 1845, when he accepted President James K. Polk’s appointment to the Supreme Court. He was the first Justice to have attended law school.[a] Woodbury received significant support for the presidential nomination at the 1848 Democratic National Convention, particularly among New England delegates, but the nomination went to Lewis Cass. Woodbury served on the court until his death in 1851.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Woodbury
16. sflicht says:

    August 30, 2017 at 1:48 am GMT

    Sculpture in marble is terribly unwokely white. Rodin knew what was up in deciding to work in bronze.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    "Sculpture in marble is terribly unwokely white. Rodin knew what was up in deciding to work in
    bronze."
    
    Even in bronze, Jefferson is still evil cracker number one:
    
    
    https://twitter.com/NRO/status/898290841629769728
17. Roderick Spode says:

    August 30, 2017 at 1:49 am GMT • 100 Words

    @Steve Sailer

    John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name.

    Indeed, a Bing (ha ha) search reveals records of several Old Dead White Men bearing the name. http://www.palmspringsbum.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I35810

    I for one cannot determine through cursory investigation whether or not the fellow who wrote the article above is Jewish. If so, he’s really not fighting stereotypes here.
18. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 1:50 am GMT

    @German_reader

    That person seems to have an upcoming book scheduled for October:
    https://global.oup.com/academic/product/empire-of-ruin-9780190663599?cc=de&lang=en&

    
    Advances a new theory of "black classicism"
    Considers the function of classicism within American culture at large and reads black classicism as part of a larger critique of that culture
    Argues that classicism functions as a "language of power" and is itself central to the cultural hegemony that underlies and authorizes the regime of oppression and enslavement

     

    Hmm, I suppose that ties in with the concerns of Zuckerberg's sister about using antiquity for white supremacy, or whatever.

    Hmm, I suppose that ties in with the concerns of Zuckerberg’s sister about using antiquity for white supremacy, or whatever.

    Wonder if re-designing America’s monumental architecture in the Gothic Style would help…..probably not……
19. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 1:55 am GMT • 400 Words

    @JohnnyD

    We obviously need another MLK monument, even though there's already an expensive one in Washington D.C.

    We obviously need another MLK monument, even though there’s already an expensive one in Washington D.C.

    Barnard has already explained why monuments to MLK aren’t enough:

    One might argue that the image of King at the Memorial effectively reclaims it for a narrative of liberation. But has this really been the case, or has the appropriation actually worked in reverse? Just as the Memorial solidified the transformation of the once controversial Lincoln into a figure of national consensus, so too has King been rendered entirely uncontroversial. The Republican Party — which supports voter suppression laws and routinely polls in the single digits among African Americans — self-identifies as the “Party of Lincoln,” and not even Donald Trump will speak ill of Martin Luther King, Jr. While King, like Moton before him, stood on the monument to emphasize the unfinished business of emancipation, both men have been assimilated to the progress narrative of unification that the monument was designed and continues to embody.

    Clearly, the Lincoln Memorial has gotta come down…..And in its place we need to erect a monument to the WOKEST BLACK MAN OF ALL TIME:Jean-Jacques Dessalines

    Jean-Jacques Dessalines (French pronunciation: ​[ʒɑ̃ ʒak dɛs.salin]; 20 September 1758 – 17 October 1806) was a leader of the Haitian Revolution and the first ruler of an independent Haiti under the 1805 constitution. Initially regarded as governor-general, Dessalines later named himself Emperor Jacques I of Haiti (1804–1806). He is regarded as a founding father of Haiti.[1]
    Dessalines served as an officer in the French army, when the colony was fending off Spanish and British incursions. Later he rose to become a commander in the revolt against France. As Toussaint Louverture’s principal lieutenant, he led many successful engagements, including the Battle of Crête-à-Pierrot.
    After the betrayal and capture of Toussaint Louverture in 1802, Dessalines became the leader of the revolution. He defeated a French army at the Battle of Vertières in 1803. Declaring Haiti an independent nation in 1804, Dessalines was chosen by a council of generals to assume the office of governor-general. He ordered the 1804 Haiti massacre of the white Haitian minority, resulting in the deaths of between 3,000 and 5,000 people, between February and April 1804

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Dessalines
20. Yak-15 says:

    August 30, 2017 at 1:57 am GMT

    Those who volunteer themselves as sacrifices on the altar of diversity in the name of the One True Religion are truly the most pious amongst us.
21. George says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:01 am GMT • 100 Words

    “Donald Trump — who literally made his fortune building monuments to himself ”

    Last I heard people paid to live in or play golf in Trump branded monuments. For emphasis, note the word branding. Trump branded monuments also provide private sector jobs and tax revenue, unlike those Lincoln monuments the government runs.

    A personal gripe: I resent having to pay the taxes for the upkeep of pagan temples, or any other religious structures. Take a look at the Jefferson and Lincoln memorials and compare with Greco Roman temples to see what I mean. If you like’em fine, patreon.com offers you and people that agree with you a way to fund the upkeep.

    I also believe that Jefferson would have objected to the use of his name and image on both money and monuments.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    
    A personal gripe: I resent having to pay the taxes for the upkeep of pagan temples, or any other religious structures. Take a look at the Jefferson and Lincoln memorials and compare with Greco Roman temples to see what I mean.
     

    End White Paganism. Build statues to Black Jesus.
    
    #JesusHadABlackBody

    , @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Classical buildings (such as the Lincoln and Jefferson memorials) are not "pagan temples". There are lots of Christian churches built in the Classical style; there are many more Classical buildings (such as the Pantheon in Rome) that were originally pagan temples but then "culturally appropriated" by the Christians. (Nobody had a problem with it back then, since colleges hadn't been invented yet).
    
    A pagan might respond that perhaps you Christians should remove the "In God We Trust" motto from the national currency. "[Theodore] Roosevelt did not approve of using God's name on coinage and instructed Augustus [!] Saint-Gaudens to not include the motto in his gold eagle and double eagle designs". The original suggestion for the inclusion of The Deity's name on coinage came from the Reverend M.R. Watkinson of Pennsylvania in a letter to Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase in 1861. See:
    
    www.coinweek.com/featured-news/in-god-we-trust-a-brief-history/
22. Brian W says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:02 am GMT

    What was MLK’s position on same-sex marriage? I can’t recall him ever confirming his support for this. Surely we can’t have statues of such a person!

    • Replies: @Jake

    I bet the sealed FBI tapes prove that MLK was pro-pedophile, at least when it was him and under age girls.
    
    The gay lobby can accept that.
    
    Plus, MLK made gay James Baldwin and gay pedophile Bayard Rustin part of his very select inner circle.
23. Yak-15 says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:08 am GMT • 100 Words

    Lincoln’s monument should be torn down because he never planned for the post emancipation world of millions of slaves. We still live with the legacy of his lack of direction that has been so aptly referred to as the albatross around America’s neck.

    Where would we be today had they built reservations or separate nations for the slaves? What if they had repatriated them to their continent of origin? What if they had been given 40 acres and a mule?

    Instead, American inner cities have become their “40 acres” and productive Americans have become their “mule.” And so it will be forever because honest Abe was a poor planner. Thanks bro!

    Tear Abe down.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    
    Lincoln’s monument should be torn down because he never planned for the post emancipation world of millions of slaves.
     

    Don't be un-WOKE. We all know what that evil cracker Lincoln had planned for people with Black Bodies: Colonization
    
    
    #LincolnWasAConfederate

    , @Jake

    Lincoln, though he only won a couple of elections, was a natural politician in a democratic society: he had a couple of things he deeply believed in, and he would make any deals, which meant he would mislead anyone in any ay that worked, in order to secure passage of his pet idea or two. Lincoln did not think though the long term probabilities of things. He simply acted to get what he wanted at the moment.
    
    I find it hilarious that idiots like the Straussians call Lincoln a philosopher. Plato would have seen Lincoln as being the most grubby of Sophists.

    , @International Jew

    The challenge of living with our black minority has also been good for us. It's kept us on our toes. It's served as a damper on the welfare state (unlike Sweden, we couldn't go all out because we had this population that was bound to abuse it). It's probably preserved what's left of the Second Amendment. As we enter this new age of explosive population growth in the 3rd World, the US just might be better equipped to survive.

    Same way the Arab minority has kept the Israelis on their toes.

    , @Logan

    Abe was forced into a crisis not of his choosing. He saved the Union. Regardless of whether you consider that a good thing or not, I think it's very nearly self-evident that with some other man in the office the Union would not have been saved.
    
    To abuse him for not simultaneously preventing all future problems that arose from the 200 previous years of racial issues seems a little harsh.
    
    Reagan won the Cold War. But one result of that victory has been the rise of radical Islam. So Reagan was a horrible planner because he didn't prevent all future problems while solving the existential one he was faced with.
24. Dr. X says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:13 am GMT • 100 Words

    The ultimate goal of these people is not to destroy mere symbols like statues of Lee or the Lincoln Memorial… their goal is destroy the U.S. Constitution and the United States, the greatest monument to white men in all of history.

    And sadly, I must say that they are succeeding.
25. Yojimbo/Zatoichi says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:16 am GMT • 100 Words

    @syonredux

    The stages of White erasure:
    
    
    
    
    Stage 1: Confederate Monuments
    
    Stage 2: Jefferson

    
    If these facts have made it easy to take issue with Trump’s lament for the lost “history and culture of our great country,” critics have been slower to acknowledge the potentially sound logic embedded in his ensuing question: if we object to the statue of Lee, why not to those of Washington and Jefferson? The typical response has been that these latter figures are different. Washington and Jefferson may have been slave owners, but unlike Lee they had other virtues; and while they founded the country in the name of freedom, Lee tore it apart in the name of slavery. But such attempts at distinction reveal a sense of history informed by monumentalism as well, only one that draws on a different set of figures. Jefferson, the actual architect of monumental structures at Monticello and the University of Virginia, was also deeply invested in the “political architecture” of what Sylvester Johnson has called “the white settler state.” Like the mob in Charlottesville last week, Jefferson openly espoused white supremacy and rejected categorically the notion of an interracial body politic. In these regards Jefferson was no mere owner of slaves, incidentally exploiting their labor and profiting by their sale as commodities, while otherwise laying the groundwork for some virtuous America of the future; he was the most prominent intellectual theorist of the white supremacist social order Lee later fought to uphold. As local activist Tanesha Hudson put it in an interview with Vice News, Jefferson’s presence looms at least as large as Lee’s in the town of Charlottesville: “You can’t stand in one corner of this city and not look at the master sitting on top of Monticello. He looks down on us, he’s been looking down on this city for god knows how long.”
     

    Stage 3: Lincoln

    
    It is perhaps all too obvious how Confederate monuments are born of and perpetuate an ideology of white supremacy, and in the wake of the events in Charlottesville we’ve seen an increasing consensus in favor of their removal. But Hudson’s remarks also suggest that this moment might offer an opportunity to reconsider even those monuments that may seem uncontroversial, and to reflect more deeply on the function of monumentalism within American culture more broadly. Consider, for example, a structure that is surely among the least controversial in the United States: the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC. Many will rightly associate this monument with the Civil Rights movement, recalling it as the site, most notably, of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s famous speech in 1963. But the monument was conceived less as a celebration of black emancipation than it was of white national reunion. Officially opened in May of 1922 — just two years before the Lee monument in Charlottesville — the Memorial’s dedication ceremony was racially segregated. While white Union and Confederate veterans stood side by side, black attendees were confined, as the Crisis magazine reported, to a seating area “a block away from the memorial in the grass and the weeds.”

     

    
    The inscription both emphasizes union over emancipation and begs the critical question of “for whom,” exactly, the Union had been saved. Similarly, when Trump laments the loss of “our history” the possessive pronoun does a great deal of ideological work, since the meaning of “we” — and not some abstract ideal of “historical” truth — is what is always at stake in these constructions. Just as the Lee monument and the mansion of Monticello articulate a white historical narrative at the ongoing expense of black Americans, so too does the Lincoln Memorial dispense with the unfinished business of emancipation by refocusing a white-centered body politic on a shared sense of an exceptional past and a providential future
     

    .
    
    And in case you think that the MLK Memorial is enough.....

    
    One might argue that the image of King at the Memorial effectively reclaims it for a narrative of liberation. But has this really been the case, or has the appropriation actually worked in reverse? Just as the Memorial solidified the transformation of the once controversial Lincoln into a figure of national consensus, so too has King been rendered entirely uncontroversial. The Republican Party — which supports voter suppression laws and routinely polls in the single digits among African Americans — self-identifies as the “Party of Lincoln,” and not even Donald Trump will speak ill of Martin Luther King, Jr. While King, like Moton before him, stood on the monument to emphasize the unfinished business of emancipation, both men have been assimilated to the progress narrative of unification that the monument was designed and continues to embody.

     

    
    In these regards the Lincoln Memorial is the most visible and venerated anchor of what David Blight has called the “reconciliationist” narrative of Civil War history, which worked in concert with a more overtly “white supremacist” narrative (exemplified by Confederate monuments) to triumph over an alternative narrative of emancipation. This reconciliationist narrative has allowed for the “both-sidesism” on display not only in Trump’s egregious equivocation regarding the violence in Charlottesville, but also in the sort of defense he has continued to mount for Confederate monuments themselves.
     

    So really, when you think about it, the Lincoln Memorial is, in ideological terms, identical to the Confederate Monuments....
    
    
    #LincolnWasAConfederate

    So it’s already starting, and slowly beginning to gain ground. Knew they wouldn’t be satisfied with just taking down the Confederate Battle Flag.

    Said before that Trump should nationalize every single Confederate, Union, Founding Father statue and monument. Make it a felony to tamper with, desecrate, destroy, etc. Better nip it in the bud before it gets worse.

    Can just see all the cucks like Kristol and Rich Lowry defending Lincoln and Washington once the SJW’s demand for their removal.
26. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:24 am GMT

    @Yak-15

    Lincoln's monument should be torn down because he never planned for the post emancipation world of millions of slaves. We still live with the legacy of his lack of direction that has been so aptly referred to as the albatross around America's neck.
    
    Where would we be today had they built reservations or separate nations for the slaves? What if they had repatriated them to their continent of origin? What if they had been given 40 acres and a mule?
    
    Instead, American inner cities have become their "40 acres" and productive Americans have become their "mule." And so it will be forever because honest Abe was a poor planner. Thanks bro!
    
    Tear Abe down.

    Lincoln’s monument should be torn down because he never planned for the post emancipation world of millions of slaves.

    Don’t be un-WOKE. We all know what that evil cracker Lincoln had planned for people with Black Bodies: Colonization

    #LincolnWasAConfederate
27. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:28 am GMT

    @sflicht

    Sculpture in marble is terribly unwokely white. Rodin knew what was up in deciding to work in bronze.

    “Sculpture in marble is terribly unwokely white. Rodin knew what was up in deciding to work in
    bronze.”

    Even in bronze, Jefferson is still evil cracker number one:

    Al Sharpton Puts Jefferson Memorial on Noticehttps://t.co/3fef5WBq1p via @rkylesmith pic.twitter.com/fd5ncydhzH

    — National Review (@NRO) August 17, 2017
28. MEH 0910 says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:30 am GMT

    PLANET OF THE APES (2001) – Apes On Earth

    

    IN THIS TEMPLE
    AS IN THE HEARTS OF THE APES
    FOR WHOM HE SAVED THE PLANET
    THE MEMORY OF GENERAL THADE
    IS ENSHRINED FOREVER
29. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:40 am GMT

    Every. Single. Time.
30. njguy73 says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:42 am GMT • 100 Words

    Said before that Trump should nationalize every single Confederate, Union, Founding Father statue and monument. Make it a felony to tamper with, desecrate, destroy, etc. Better nip it in the bud before it gets worse.

    No. If anything, the opposite should happen. Private monuments. Sell them to the highest bidders, have them haul them off to private property. The Daughters of the Confederacy want the Lee statue to remain standing? Cut a check and rent a U-Haul, put it in front of your headquarters. The Afrocentrists want a Rosa Parks Memorial? Hit up Oprah, Lebron and Jay-Z to foot the bill, build it on one of their front lawns.

    Quit expecting government to solve your problems. You sound like a shitlib.

    • Replies: @Jake

    An extremely large number of those statues and monuments were paid for by private groups like the UDC and SCV. Many parks and university buildings were paid for by donations from members of those groups.
    
    It all should be returned.
31. Jake says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:49 am GMT

    @Steve Sailer

    John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name.

    “John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name.”

    Exactly.

    It also sounds like a 17th century Anglo-Saxon Puritan name.

    Judaizing heresy leads directly to pro-Jewish Elites, who will despise almost all ‘other’ white Christians.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch

    Yes, the judenfreundlichkeit of the Puritans is the besetting problem of modernity. Funny how it didn't prevent America from becoming the most successful society in the history of Mankind.
32. Off The Street says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:51 am GMT • 100 Words

    I’ll have you know that the author is from College of Wooster, America’s Premier College for Mentored Undergraduate Research. He isn’t just some guy who fell off a turnip truck. Mentoring takes skills, mad skills, and is often confused with manipulation, thought control and other dark arts of the Progressive nature.
33. Jake says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:58 am GMT • 100 Words

    @Yak-15

    Lincoln's monument should be torn down because he never planned for the post emancipation world of millions of slaves. We still live with the legacy of his lack of direction that has been so aptly referred to as the albatross around America's neck.
    
    Where would we be today had they built reservations or separate nations for the slaves? What if they had repatriated them to their continent of origin? What if they had been given 40 acres and a mule?
    
    Instead, American inner cities have become their "40 acres" and productive Americans have become their "mule." And so it will be forever because honest Abe was a poor planner. Thanks bro!
    
    Tear Abe down.

    Lincoln, though he only won a couple of elections, was a natural politician in a democratic society: he had a couple of things he deeply believed in, and he would make any deals, which meant he would mislead anyone in any ay that worked, in order to secure passage of his pet idea or two. Lincoln did not think though the long term probabilities of things. He simply acted to get what he wanted at the moment.

    I find it hilarious that idiots like the Straussians call Lincoln a philosopher. Plato would have seen Lincoln as being the most grubby of Sophists.
34. Jake says:

    August 30, 2017 at 3:02 am GMT

    @Brian W

    What was MLK's position on same-sex marriage? I can't recall him ever confirming his support for this. Surely we can't have statues of such a person!

    I bet the sealed FBI tapes prove that MLK was pro-pedophile, at least when it was him and under age girls.

    The gay lobby can accept that.

    Plus, MLK made gay James Baldwin and gay pedophile Bayard Rustin part of his very select inner circle.
35. Jake says:

    August 30, 2017 at 3:05 am GMT

    @njguy73

    
    Said before that Trump should nationalize every single Confederate, Union, Founding Father statue and monument. Make it a felony to tamper with, desecrate, destroy, etc. Better nip it in the bud before it gets worse.
     

    No. If anything, the opposite should happen. Private monuments. Sell them to the highest bidders, have them haul them off to private property. The Daughters of the Confederacy want the Lee statue to remain standing? Cut a check and rent a U-Haul, put it in front of your headquarters. The Afrocentrists want a Rosa Parks Memorial? Hit up Oprah, Lebron and Jay-Z to foot the bill, build it on one of their front lawns.
    
    Quit expecting government to solve your problems. You sound like a shitlib.

    An extremely large number of those statues and monuments were paid for by private groups like the UDC and SCV. Many parks and university buildings were paid for by donations from members of those groups.

    It all should be returned.

    • Replies: @Pericles

    Good point.
36. Mr. Anon says:

    August 30, 2017 at 3:14 am GMT

    Go ahead. Demolish the Lincoln Memorial. It’s just a monument in the capital of a foreign and hostile empire. Ain’t my country.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    
    Ain’t my country.
     

    You have no country, YT. All your counties belong to us
    
    
    #PlanetOfBlackBodies
37. PSR says:

    August 30, 2017 at 3:24 am GMT

    Too early to reexamine ML King as a “hero” and revise his legacy? Serial philanderer, alleged woman-beater. If he played in the NFL he would be suspended for half the season just on presumption of guilt. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
38. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 3:38 am GMT

    @Mr. Anon

    Go ahead. Demolish the Lincoln Memorial. It's just a monument in the capital of a foreign and hostile empire. Ain't my country.

    Ain’t my country.

    You have no country, YT. All your counties belong to us

    #PlanetOfBlackBodies

    • Agree: bomag
39. mb says: • Website

    August 30, 2017 at 3:38 am GMT • 100 Words

    Lincoln – according to the fairly well known literary critic Edmund Wilson – like Bismarck and Lenin:

    . . . presided over the unifications of the three great modern powers. . . Each established a strong central government over hitherto loosely coordinated peoples. Lincoln kept the Union together by subordinating the South to the North; Bismarck imposed on the German states the cohesive hegemony of Prussia; Lenin . . .began the work of binding Russia, with its innumerable ethnic groups scattered through immense spaces, in a tight bureaucratic net (Patriotic Gore, 1962, pp.xvi.xvii).”

    Hmm. How come I don’t remember Carl Sandberg telling me that in high school?
    Talk about hate crime. Who does Wilson think he is, comparing the great Abraham to that commie Lenin?

    We need to shout him down and burn his books particularly if anybody thinks there is still such a thing as the First Amendment.

    Wait a minute. Antifa is communist. And so is Vladimir Ulyanov.
    Woo hoo, we home free.

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    
    Who does Wilson think he is, comparing the great Abraham to that commie Lenin?
     

    Marxists have always found Lincoln a congenial figure, beginning with Karl Marx himself, who exchanged friendly correspondence with him. American Communists who traveled to Spain to fight for the Communist side in that country's civil war called themselves the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade."
    
    Edmund Wilson was, if not an outright Communist, sympathetic to Marxism and the Soviet Union. One of his best known works, To the Finland Station, is a history of socialism and communism leading up to Lenin's return to Russia to lead the Bolshevik Revolution.

    , @syonredux

    
    Hmm. How come I don’t remember Carl Sandberg telling me that in high school?
    Talk about hate crime. Who does Wilson think he is, comparing the great Abraham to that commie Lenin?
     

    Un-WOKE. Lincoln was a White Supremacist. Don't slander Lenin by comparing him to the disgusting Lincoln.
40. San Fernando Curt says:

    August 30, 2017 at 3:46 am GMT

    I think what nettles and peeves Mr. Levi Schmevi is that the statues are of white gentile men. And I simply think that’s being honest. Mr. Levi Schmevi might call that anti-Semitic. But I’m way past caring what my enemies think.
41. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    August 30, 2017 at 3:51 am GMT

    Apophasis?

    Trump uses it heavily & has definitely popularized the style, compared to the decorum/propriety-obsessed Bushbama era, though he’s infamously deployed the polar alternatives of anti-apophasis (e.g “sending rapists, drug dealers, murderers, and probably some good people”) or goombah litotes (“I like soldiers who didn’t get caught”)
42. kaganovitch says:

    August 30, 2017 at 4:08 am GMT

    @Jake

    "John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name."
    
    Exactly.
    
    It also sounds like a 17th century Anglo-Saxon Puritan name.
    
    Judaizing heresy leads directly to pro-Jewish Elites, who will despise almost all 'other' white Christians.

    Yes, the judenfreundlichkeit of the Puritans is the besetting problem of modernity. Funny how it didn’t prevent America from becoming the most successful society in the history of Mankind.

    • Agree: San Fernando Curt, Logan
43. Crawfurdmuir says:

    August 30, 2017 at 4:34 am GMT • 100 Words

    @mb

    Lincoln - according to the fairly well known literary critic Edmund Wilson - like Bismarck and Lenin:

    
    . . . presided over the unifications of the three great modern powers. . . Each established a strong central government over hitherto loosely coordinated peoples. Lincoln kept the Union together by subordinating the South to the North; Bismarck imposed on the German states the cohesive hegemony of Prussia; Lenin . . .began the work of binding Russia, with its innumerable ethnic groups scattered through immense spaces, in a tight bureaucratic net (Patriotic Gore, 1962, pp.xvi.xvii).”
     

    Hmm. How come I don't remember Carl Sandberg telling me that in high school?
    Talk about hate crime. Who does Wilson think he is, comparing the great Abraham to that commie Lenin?

    We need to shout him down and burn his books particularly if anybody thinks there is still such a thing as the First Amendment.

    Wait a minute. Antifa is communist. And so is Vladimir Ulyanov.
    Woo hoo, we home free.

    Who does Wilson think he is, comparing the great Abraham to that commie Lenin?

    Marxists have always found Lincoln a congenial figure, beginning with Karl Marx himself, who exchanged friendly correspondence with him. American Communists who traveled to Spain to fight for the Communist side in that country’s civil war called themselves the “Abraham Lincoln Brigade.”

    Edmund Wilson was, if not an outright Communist, sympathetic to Marxism and the Soviet Union. One of his best known works, To the Finland Station, is a history of socialism and communism leading up to Lenin’s return to Russia to lead the Bolshevik Revolution.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    
    Marxists have always found Lincoln a congenial figure, beginning with Karl Marx himself, who exchanged friendly correspondence with him.
     

    Marx liked Lincoln because Lincoln was a White Supremacist, just like him:

    
    Marx didn’t think much of Mexicans. When the United States annexed California after the Mexican War, Marx sarcastically asked, “Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it?”
     

    
    It is now completely clear to me that he [Ferdinand Lassalle], as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes who had joined Moses’ exodus from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother on the paternal side had not interbred with a n—–. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product.
     

    #LincolnAndMarxWereWhiteSupremacists

    , @syonredux

    
    Marxists have always found Lincoln a congenial figure, beginning with Karl Marx himself, who exchanged friendly correspondence with him.
     

    To be serious for a moment, I'm afraid that that's something of an exaggeration. Marx authored a letter that was sent to Lincoln in the name of of the International Working Men's Association, and Lincoln responded. I don't think that that qualifies as a correspondence, friendly of otherwise.
44. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 4:39 am GMT

    @mb

    Lincoln - according to the fairly well known literary critic Edmund Wilson - like Bismarck and Lenin:

    
    . . . presided over the unifications of the three great modern powers. . . Each established a strong central government over hitherto loosely coordinated peoples. Lincoln kept the Union together by subordinating the South to the North; Bismarck imposed on the German states the cohesive hegemony of Prussia; Lenin . . .began the work of binding Russia, with its innumerable ethnic groups scattered through immense spaces, in a tight bureaucratic net (Patriotic Gore, 1962, pp.xvi.xvii).”
     

    Hmm. How come I don't remember Carl Sandberg telling me that in high school?
    Talk about hate crime. Who does Wilson think he is, comparing the great Abraham to that commie Lenin?

    We need to shout him down and burn his books particularly if anybody thinks there is still such a thing as the First Amendment.

    Wait a minute. Antifa is communist. And so is Vladimir Ulyanov.
    Woo hoo, we home free.

    Hmm. How come I don’t remember Carl Sandberg telling me that in high school?
    Talk about hate crime. Who does Wilson think he is, comparing the great Abraham to that commie Lenin?

    Un-WOKE. Lincoln was a White Supremacist. Don’t slander Lenin by comparing him to the disgusting Lincoln.
45. Opinionator says:

    August 30, 2017 at 4:46 am GMT

    It won’t happen Steve. Lincoln is the paragon to emulate put forward by the powers that be: He murdered 600,000 prime age Northern European men.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    
    It won’t happen Steve. Lincoln is the paragon to emulate put forward by the powers that be: He murdered 600,000 prime age Northern European men.
     

    Don't be un-WOKE. Radical Blacks hate Lincoln.If White Allies need a model to emulate, there's always John Brown
    
    
    #BuildMonumentToJohnBrownNow!

    , @guest

    You're off on your perception of Lincoln. Blacks are always down on Lincoln,same as they're down on movies about brave whites during the civil rights movement. Because blacks want it known that all good things to do with blacks were accomplished by blacks alone. They don't need anyone, because blackness is all!
    
    Also, they know the truth about ol' Abe, which is that his emancipatin' was exaggerated.
46. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 4:48 am GMT • 100 Words

    @Crawfurdmuir

    
    Who does Wilson think he is, comparing the great Abraham to that commie Lenin?
     

    Marxists have always found Lincoln a congenial figure, beginning with Karl Marx himself, who exchanged friendly correspondence with him. American Communists who traveled to Spain to fight for the Communist side in that country's civil war called themselves the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade."
    
    Edmund Wilson was, if not an outright Communist, sympathetic to Marxism and the Soviet Union. One of his best known works, To the Finland Station, is a history of socialism and communism leading up to Lenin's return to Russia to lead the Bolshevik Revolution.

    Marxists have always found Lincoln a congenial figure, beginning with Karl Marx himself, who exchanged friendly correspondence with him.

    Marx liked Lincoln because Lincoln was a White Supremacist, just like him:

    Marx didn’t think much of Mexicans. When the United States annexed California after the Mexican War, Marx sarcastically asked, “Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it?”

    It is now completely clear to me that he [Ferdinand Lassalle], as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes who had joined Moses’ exodus from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother on the paternal side had not interbred with a n—–. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product.

    #LincolnAndMarxWereWhiteSupremacists
47. guest says:

    August 30, 2017 at 5:13 am GMT • 100 Words

    “Why does America have a commitment to building monuments of ‘great’ white men”

    Why is water wet?

    Who else are you going to build monuments to but great men? That’s what monumentalization is for. Most great people in American history were white and male. Deal with it.

    I despise Lincoln and think he was less than history has recorded him to have been. But he’s inarguably “great.”

    They could be asking a more basic question: why do we build monuments at all. But that’s a stupid question, doesn’t need to be asked (except by a two year-old who welds endless chains of “why?” on a daily basis), and I’m pretty sure the LA Review of Books would be fine with monuments to things they appreciate.

    Obviously, the Vandals have come to town. They are iconoclasts, because who controls the past controls the future.
48. Desiderius says:

    August 30, 2017 at 5:21 am GMT

    @Steve Sailer

    John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name.

    That’s where today’s Jews got the snobbery.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    
    That’s where today’s Jews got the snobbery.
     

    Too bad they didn't also acquire the feeling of noblesse oblige....
49. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 5:27 am GMT

    @Opinionator

    It won't happen Steve. Lincoln is the paragon to emulate put forward by the powers that be: He murdered 600,000 prime age Northern European men.

    It won’t happen Steve. Lincoln is the paragon to emulate put forward by the powers that be: He murdered 600,000 prime age Northern European men.

    Don’t be un-WOKE. Radical Blacks hate Lincoln.If White Allies need a model to emulate, there’s always John Brown

    #BuildMonumentToJohnBrownNow!

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    John Brown: the original BLM and BAMN activist. Well, not counting Nat Turner, that is.
50. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 5:30 am GMT • 100 Words

    @George

    "Donald Trump — who literally made his fortune building monuments to himself "
    
    Last I heard people paid to live in or play golf in Trump branded monuments. For emphasis, note the word branding. Trump branded monuments also provide private sector jobs and tax revenue, unlike those Lincoln monuments the government runs.
    
    A personal gripe: I resent having to pay the taxes for the upkeep of pagan temples, or any other religious structures. Take a look at the Jefferson and Lincoln memorials and compare with Greco Roman temples to see what I mean. If you like'em fine, patreon.com offers you and people that agree with you a way to fund the upkeep.
    
    I also believe that Jefferson would have objected to the use of his name and image on both money and monuments.

    A personal gripe: I resent having to pay the taxes for the upkeep of pagan temples, or any other religious structures. Take a look at the Jefferson and Lincoln memorials and compare with Greco Roman temples to see what I mean.

    End White Paganism. Build statues to Black Jesus.

    #JesusHadABlackBody
51. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 5:34 am GMT

    @Desiderius

    That's where today's Jews got the snobbery.

    That’s where today’s Jews got the snobbery.

    Too bad they didn’t also acquire the feeling of noblesse oblige….

    • Replies: @Desiderius

    They did, they're just not obliged to us.
52. syonredux says:

    August 30, 2017 at 5:41 am GMT • 100 Words

    @Crawfurdmuir

    
    Who does Wilson think he is, comparing the great Abraham to that commie Lenin?
     

    Marxists have always found Lincoln a congenial figure, beginning with Karl Marx himself, who exchanged friendly correspondence with him. American Communists who traveled to Spain to fight for the Communist side in that country's civil war called themselves the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade."
    
    Edmund Wilson was, if not an outright Communist, sympathetic to Marxism and the Soviet Union. One of his best known works, To the Finland Station, is a history of socialism and communism leading up to Lenin's return to Russia to lead the Bolshevik Revolution.

    Marxists have always found Lincoln a congenial figure, beginning with Karl Marx himself, who exchanged friendly correspondence with him.

    To be serious for a moment, I’m afraid that that’s something of an exaggeration. Marx authored a letter that was sent to Lincoln in the name of of the International Working Men’s Association, and Lincoln responded. I don’t think that that qualifies as a correspondence, friendly of otherwise.

    • Replies: @Logan

    Thank you for posting this.
53. guest says:

    August 30, 2017 at 5:46 am GMT • 100 Words

    @Opinionator

    It won't happen Steve. Lincoln is the paragon to emulate put forward by the powers that be: He murdered 600,000 prime age Northern European men.

    You’re off on your perception of Lincoln. Blacks are always down on Lincoln,same as they’re down on movies about brave whites during the civil rights movement. Because blacks want it known that all good things to do with blacks were accomplished by blacks alone. They don’t need anyone, because blackness is all!

    Also, they know the truth about ol’ Abe, which is that his emancipatin’ was exaggerated.
54. Whiskey says: • Website

    August 30, 2017 at 6:06 am GMT • 100 Words

    Well of course, non-Whites feel their oats after Obama and figure, they are the majority now (they are probably right) and can make Whites essentially serfs if not slaves in their own country. White slavery or at least the attempt at it is coming soon to you.

    That will touch off the most long-running, sustained act of violence since the Thirty Years War, only with a fig leaf of pretend government presiding over anarcho-tyranny breaking down as the competent cops and soldiers are led off to gulags. Or Google-lags.

    The future is fifteen vibrant youths chasing down some White man … who in turn sets his killer pocket drones printed with 3-d printers and plans from the interwebs armed with synthetic neurotoxins upon his pursuers. The most primal killing fields up against the most inventive ways to counter-kill your enemy before he kills you.
55. Desiderius says:

    August 30, 2017 at 6:11 am GMT

    @syonredux

    
    That’s where today’s Jews got the snobbery.
     

    Too bad they didn't also acquire the feeling of noblesse oblige....

    They did, they’re just not obliged to us.
56. Rod1963 says:

    August 30, 2017 at 6:51 am GMT • 100 Words

    Oh he’s advocating for the monument’s destruction alright and someone will do it.

    The end of monument destruction is just the end of the beginning and means they’ll move on to the next phase – book burning at colleges and blog shuttering.

    These people are not going to stop. They establishment is using them to punish us and they’re going all the way. Why do you think Sessions and the local police rolled over like a dead gold fish rather that confront them?

    Once they get to that Fahrenheit 451 phase, they will start coming for us or bait us into attacking them. The establishment wants a bloody push back from us to authorize to suspend the 1st through 5th amendments in the name of peace and life or some such c**p.

    Basically dispense with the illusion we’re a republic and not a oligarchy.
57. NickG says:

    August 30, 2017 at 7:18 am GMT

    What on earth is going on with the tsunami of Jewish stereotypical self parody?

    Hell, even Sam Harris has started doing it.
58. Pericles says:

    August 30, 2017 at 7:34 am GMT

    @Jake

    An extremely large number of those statues and monuments were paid for by private groups like the UDC and SCV. Many parks and university buildings were paid for by donations from members of those groups.
    
    It all should be returned.

    Good point.
59. unpc downunder says:

    August 30, 2017 at 9:33 am GMT • 100 Words

    So what’s the take away here. Today’s upper class white men think America should focus less on stale, pale males from previous eras, and more on the needs and whims of hip, liberal upper class white men like Mr Levi. Got it.

    Notice how none of these anti-white, white elites want to introduce a 1970s-style supertax on billionaires. Wouldn’t that be a more progressive way to reduce the power of over-privileged white male elites?
60. TTSSYF says:

    August 30, 2017 at 11:06 am GMT • 100 Words

    @syonredux

    The stages of White erasure:
    
    
    
    
    Stage 1: Confederate Monuments
    
    Stage 2: Jefferson

    
    If these facts have made it easy to take issue with Trump’s lament for the lost “history and culture of our great country,” critics have been slower to acknowledge the potentially sound logic embedded in his ensuing question: if we object to the statue of Lee, why not to those of Washington and Jefferson? The typical response has been that these latter figures are different. Washington and Jefferson may have been slave owners, but unlike Lee they had other virtues; and while they founded the country in the name of freedom, Lee tore it apart in the name of slavery. But such attempts at distinction reveal a sense of history informed by monumentalism as well, only one that draws on a different set of figures. Jefferson, the actual architect of monumental structures at Monticello and the University of Virginia, was also deeply invested in the “political architecture” of what Sylvester Johnson has called “the white settler state.” Like the mob in Charlottesville last week, Jefferson openly espoused white supremacy and rejected categorically the notion of an interracial body politic. In these regards Jefferson was no mere owner of slaves, incidentally exploiting their labor and profiting by their sale as commodities, while otherwise laying the groundwork for some virtuous America of the future; he was the most prominent intellectual theorist of the white supremacist social order Lee later fought to uphold. As local activist Tanesha Hudson put it in an interview with Vice News, Jefferson’s presence looms at least as large as Lee’s in the town of Charlottesville: “You can’t stand in one corner of this city and not look at the master sitting on top of Monticello. He looks down on us, he’s been looking down on this city for god knows how long.”
     

    Stage 3: Lincoln

    
    It is perhaps all too obvious how Confederate monuments are born of and perpetuate an ideology of white supremacy, and in the wake of the events in Charlottesville we’ve seen an increasing consensus in favor of their removal. But Hudson’s remarks also suggest that this moment might offer an opportunity to reconsider even those monuments that may seem uncontroversial, and to reflect more deeply on the function of monumentalism within American culture more broadly. Consider, for example, a structure that is surely among the least controversial in the United States: the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC. Many will rightly associate this monument with the Civil Rights movement, recalling it as the site, most notably, of Martin Luther King, Jr.’s famous speech in 1963. But the monument was conceived less as a celebration of black emancipation than it was of white national reunion. Officially opened in May of 1922 — just two years before the Lee monument in Charlottesville — the Memorial’s dedication ceremony was racially segregated. While white Union and Confederate veterans stood side by side, black attendees were confined, as the Crisis magazine reported, to a seating area “a block away from the memorial in the grass and the weeds.”

     

    
    The inscription both emphasizes union over emancipation and begs the critical question of “for whom,” exactly, the Union had been saved. Similarly, when Trump laments the loss of “our history” the possessive pronoun does a great deal of ideological work, since the meaning of “we” — and not some abstract ideal of “historical” truth — is what is always at stake in these constructions. Just as the Lee monument and the mansion of Monticello articulate a white historical narrative at the ongoing expense of black Americans, so too does the Lincoln Memorial dispense with the unfinished business of emancipation by refocusing a white-centered body politic on a shared sense of an exceptional past and a providential future
     

    .
    
    And in case you think that the MLK Memorial is enough.....

    
    One might argue that the image of King at the Memorial effectively reclaims it for a narrative of liberation. But has this really been the case, or has the appropriation actually worked in reverse? Just as the Memorial solidified the transformation of the once controversial Lincoln into a figure of national consensus, so too has King been rendered entirely uncontroversial. The Republican Party — which supports voter suppression laws and routinely polls in the single digits among African Americans — self-identifies as the “Party of Lincoln,” and not even Donald Trump will speak ill of Martin Luther King, Jr. While King, like Moton before him, stood on the monument to emphasize the unfinished business of emancipation, both men have been assimilated to the progress narrative of unification that the monument was designed and continues to embody.

     

    
    In these regards the Lincoln Memorial is the most visible and venerated anchor of what David Blight has called the “reconciliationist” narrative of Civil War history, which worked in concert with a more overtly “white supremacist” narrative (exemplified by Confederate monuments) to triumph over an alternative narrative of emancipation. This reconciliationist narrative has allowed for the “both-sidesism” on display not only in Trump’s egregious equivocation regarding the violence in Charlottesville, but also in the sort of defense he has continued to mount for Confederate monuments themselves.
     

    So really, when you think about it, the Lincoln Memorial is, in ideological terms, identical to the Confederate Monuments....
    
    
    #LincolnWasAConfederate

    MLK regularly violated one of the ten commandments by committing adultery on a regular basis. If we’re going to take down statues of flawed individuals, I say take them all down. And while we’re at it, let’s change street names back to their original names which, in the case of my city, would be Grand Central Blvd instead of Kennedy Blvd. Even sounds better — much more inclusive.

    • Replies: @bomag

    
    take them all down
     

    Yeah, too much information today about people to venerate anyone. I've been told MLK advocated conversion therapy for Gays. Plus, as an advocate for his ethnic/racial group, I suspect he may become a rallying point for the wrong kind of ethnic/racial group. Better be safe and frontlash against all icons.
61. Mike Zwick says:

    August 30, 2017 at 12:56 pm GMT

    @Steve Sailer

    John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name.

    My favorite 19th Century name was Philander Chase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philander_Chase
62. Mr. Anon says:

    August 30, 2017 at 1:20 pm GMT

    @syonredux

    
    It won’t happen Steve. Lincoln is the paragon to emulate put forward by the powers that be: He murdered 600,000 prime age Northern European men.
     

    Don't be un-WOKE. Radical Blacks hate Lincoln.If White Allies need a model to emulate, there's always John Brown
    
    
    #BuildMonumentToJohnBrownNow!

    John Brown: the original BLM and BAMN activist. Well, not counting Nat Turner, that is.
63. International Jew says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:01 pm GMT • 100 Words

    @Yak-15

    Lincoln's monument should be torn down because he never planned for the post emancipation world of millions of slaves. We still live with the legacy of his lack of direction that has been so aptly referred to as the albatross around America's neck.
    
    Where would we be today had they built reservations or separate nations for the slaves? What if they had repatriated them to their continent of origin? What if they had been given 40 acres and a mule?
    
    Instead, American inner cities have become their "40 acres" and productive Americans have become their "mule." And so it will be forever because honest Abe was a poor planner. Thanks bro!
    
    Tear Abe down.

    The challenge of living with our black minority has also been good for us. It’s kept us on our toes. It’s served as a damper on the welfare state (unlike Sweden, we couldn’t go all out because we had this population that was bound to abuse it). It’s probably preserved what’s left of the Second Amendment. As we enter this new age of explosive population growth in the 3rd World, the US just might be better equipped to survive.

    Same way the Arab minority has kept the Israelis on their toes.

    • Replies: @Yak-15

    Interesting angle. Sports, music, entertainment are benefits also.
    
    Still, I would rather have seen the trillions spent on our dusky wards advancing science, creating better infrastructure, exploring space, etc etc etc.
64. Colleen Pater says:

    August 30, 2017 at 2:47 pm GMT • 300 Words

    @Steve Sailer

    John Levi Barnard sounds like a 19th Century WASP name.

    I think you may be right. But being a native new yorker of a certain age I actually watched the process of the bright young things from the heartland arrive in NYC and be indoctrinated into the jewish intellectual hegemony.Of course this began in the 1800s and continues today. John Reed for if I recall joined the communist club at harvard where he met its founder a famous jew, reed went from there to infect several prominent and influential arts communities.one of those communities was theatre related which my parents became a part of through stella adler. Our house was a sort of hub of the nyc theatre scene and dominated by jews who I grew up to love and admire and notice things about.One thing I noticed is they never saw themselves as us, they always always had side conversations going sometimes whispered to a child’s volume, sometimes when a bit drunk or feeling particularly comfortable, or particularly vexed out loud.what did they say. Lets just say an anti semitic conspiracist couldn’t wish for more damning evidence. later i found this went on in all the jewish dominated field I encountered academia, real estate, law, finance. It was always them against us, sometimes it was less political and more economic.This idea that WASPs are the real marxists never rang true. What I saw was wasps wanted to do good build good institutions jews wanted to undermine. jewish leftism is different it seems to subtly subvert good leftism using its own principles and make it morbid leftism.abolition vs black panthers, suffragettes vs today’s feminism,abolishing workhouses vs communism.
65. segundo says:

    August 30, 2017 at 4:18 pm GMT • 200 Words

    @David

    I wonder what it meant to the designers that his arms are resting on fasces, as in fascism. Anything that might justify opprobrium? Could it be construed that way? Fingers are crossed across America.

    You beat me to it, David. Eventually, those fasces — plus the points our ever-helpful “Tiny Duck” brought up — WILL provide a pretext. These people never stop. There is no real endgame.

    BTW, Hitler spoke well of Lincoln’s centralized govt/anti-state’s rights policies. In MEIN KAMPF, Hitler writes that “individual states of the American Union . . . could not have possessed any state sovereignty of their own. For it was not these states that formed the Union, on the contrary it was the Union which formed a great part of such so-called states.” This was also Lincoln’s view.

    Hitler goes on to say: “Certainly all the states in the world are moving toward a certain unification in their inner organization. And in this Germany will be no exception. Today it is an absurdity to speak of a ‘state sovereignty’ of individual provinces.” And further: “In particular we cannot grant to any individual state within the nation and the state representing it state sovereignty and sovereignty in point of political power.”

    If a line can be drawn from neo-nazis to Trump, surely one can be drawn from fascism to Lincoln. Who knows where it will go from there?

    • Replies: @Logan

    You simply cannot draw a line from fascism to Lincoln. Chronological issues.

    Doesn't even work for the statue, since it was designed before anybody had heard of fascism.

    The fasces, prior to the emergence of the movement named after it, simply stood for the legitimate power and authority of the State.

66. J1234 says:

    August 30, 2017 at 4:41 pm GMT

    Shiiit, I’m not dyin’ for no white man.

    
67. Eustace Tilley (not) says:

    August 30, 2017 at 5:08 pm GMT • 100 Words

    @George

    "Donald Trump — who literally made his fortune building monuments to himself "
    
    Last I heard people paid to live in or play golf in Trump branded monuments. For emphasis, note the word branding. Trump branded monuments also provide private sector jobs and tax revenue, unlike those Lincoln monuments the government runs.
    
    A personal gripe: I resent having to pay the taxes for the upkeep of pagan temples, or any other religious structures. Take a look at the Jefferson and Lincoln memorials and compare with Greco Roman temples to see what I mean. If you like'em fine, patreon.com offers you and people that agree with you a way to fund the upkeep.
    
    I also believe that Jefferson would have objected to the use of his name and image on both money and monuments.

    Classical buildings (such as the Lincoln and Jefferson memorials) are not “pagan temples”. There are lots of Christian churches built in the Classical style; there are many more Classical buildings (such as the Pantheon in Rome) that were originally pagan temples but then “culturally appropriated” by the Christians. (Nobody had a problem with it back then, since colleges hadn’t been invented yet).

    A pagan might respond that perhaps you Christians should remove the “In God We Trust” motto from the national currency. “[Theodore] Roosevelt did not approve of using God’s name on coinage and instructed Augustus [!] Saint-Gaudens to not include the motto in his gold eagle and double eagle designs”. The original suggestion for the inclusion of The Deity’s name on coinage came from the Reverend M.R. Watkinson of Pennsylvania in a letter to Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase in 1861. See:

    http://www.coinweek.com/featured-news/in-god-we-trust-a-brief-history/
68. honesthughgrant says:

    August 30, 2017 at 7:03 pm GMT

    Looks like the sainted “Immigrants” and “Sons of Immigrants” and “Grand-sons of Immigrants” are on the march. Being better than native born Americans they have decided to get rid of the WASP “racist” and socially inferior monuments and political Icons.

    Do WASPS really care? I don’t think so. As long as they have beer and football they’re happy. Notice how McCain, Bush, Romney, and Dole haven’t said a word in protest.
69. bomag says:

    August 30, 2017 at 9:24 pm GMT • 100 Words

    @TTSSYF

    MLK regularly violated one of the ten commandments by committing adultery on a regular basis. If we're going to take down statues of flawed individuals, I say take them all down. And while we're at it, let's change street names back to their original names which, in the case of my city, would be Grand Central Blvd instead of Kennedy Blvd. Even sounds better -- much more inclusive.

    take them all down

    Yeah, too much information today about people to venerate anyone. I’ve been told MLK advocated conversion therapy for Gays. Plus, as an advocate for his ethnic/racial group, I suspect he may become a rallying point for the wrong kind of ethnic/racial group. Better be safe and frontlash against all icons.
70. Olorin says:

    August 30, 2017 at 10:19 pm GMT

    “…that Lincoln statue, you know, looks awfully white. Know what I’m sayin”?

    Maybe Missus Zuck could bring in a team of Google, YouTube, and Facebook differently abled lesbian tranny Eskimo furry software engineers to paint it up in Colors Like The Ancients Actually Used.

    Rainbows iber alle!
71. Yak-15 says:

    August 31, 2017 at 2:06 am GMT

    @International Jew

    The challenge of living with our black minority has also been good for us. It's kept us on our toes. It's served as a damper on the welfare state (unlike Sweden, we couldn't go all out because we had this population that was bound to abuse it). It's probably preserved what's left of the Second Amendment. As we enter this new age of explosive population growth in the 3rd World, the US just might be better equipped to survive.

    Same way the Arab minority has kept the Israelis on their toes.

    Interesting angle. Sports, music, entertainment are benefits also.

    Still, I would rather have seen the trillions spent on our dusky wards advancing science, creating better infrastructure, exploring space, etc etc etc.
72. Logan says:

    September 2, 2017 at 11:55 am GMT

    @segundo

    You beat me to it, David. Eventually, those fasces -- plus the points our ever-helpful "Tiny Duck" brought up -- WILL provide a pretext. These people never stop. There is no real endgame.
    
    BTW, Hitler spoke well of Lincoln's centralized govt/anti-state's rights policies. In MEIN KAMPF, Hitler writes that “individual states of the American Union . . . could not have possessed any state sovereignty of their own. For it was not these states that formed the Union, on the contrary it was the Union which formed a great part of such so-called states." This was also Lincoln’s view.
    
    Hitler goes on to say: “Certainly all the states in the world are moving toward a certain unification in their inner organization. And in this Germany will be no exception. Today it is an absurdity to speak of a ‘state sovereignty’ of individual provinces.” And further: “In particular we cannot grant to any individual state within the nation and the state representing it state sovereignty and sovereignty in point of political power."
    
    If a line can be drawn from neo-nazis to Trump, surely one can be drawn from fascism to Lincoln. Who knows where it will go from there?

    You simply cannot draw a line from fascism to Lincoln. Chronological issues.

    Doesn’t even work for the statue, since it was designed before anybody had heard of fascism.

    The fasces, prior to the emergence of the movement named after it, simply stood for the legitimate power and authority of the State.
73. Logan says:

    September 2, 2017 at 12:06 pm GMT • 100 Words

    @Yak-15

    Lincoln's monument should be torn down because he never planned for the post emancipation world of millions of slaves. We still live with the legacy of his lack of direction that has been so aptly referred to as the albatross around America's neck.
    
    Where would we be today had they built reservations or separate nations for the slaves? What if they had repatriated them to their continent of origin? What if they had been given 40 acres and a mule?
    
    Instead, American inner cities have become their "40 acres" and productive Americans have become their "mule." And so it will be forever because honest Abe was a poor planner. Thanks bro!
    
    Tear Abe down.

    Abe was forced into a crisis not of his choosing. He saved the Union. Regardless of whether you consider that a good thing or not, I think it’s very nearly self-evident that with some other man in the office the Union would not have been saved.

    To abuse him for not simultaneously preventing all future problems that arose from the 200 previous years of racial issues seems a little harsh.

    Reagan won the Cold War. But one result of that victory has been the rise of radical Islam. So Reagan was a horrible planner because he didn’t prevent all future problems while solving the existential one he was faced with.
74. Logan says:

    September 2, 2017 at 12:23 pm GMT

    @syonredux

    
    Marxists have always found Lincoln a congenial figure, beginning with Karl Marx himself, who exchanged friendly correspondence with him.
     

    To be serious for a moment, I'm afraid that that's something of an exaggeration. Marx authored a letter that was sent to Lincoln in the name of of the International Working Men's Association, and Lincoln responded. I don't think that that qualifies as a correspondence, friendly of otherwise.

    Thank you for posting this.

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