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From Slate:

The Complicated History of Emma Lazarus’ “The New Colossus”

The poem has never represented America’s immigration policy. It’s always been aspirational.
By REBECCA ONION

This week, yet another Trump administration official tripped up against “The New Colossus,” Emma Lazarus’ stirring 1883 sonnet, which was affixed to the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty in 1903.

And yet, as the right is ever-ready to point out, the poem has never reflected America’s actual laws. It was radical even when it was first affixed to the monument: “Emma Lazarus’ poem ‘The New Colossus’ was a political statement written against white supremacist political efforts in her day …

Uh, wasn’t it Lazarus’s friend from Richmond, VA, Constance Cary Harrison, the Betsy Ross of the Confederate Battle Flag, who persuaded Lazarus to write it? Lazarus’s family had had a lot of business ties to the Confederacy.

… I spoke with Princeton professor Esther Schor, who wrote an acclaimed 2006 biography of Emma Lazarus. Our conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.

Rebecca Onion: When Emma Lazarus wrote this poem, in 1883, where was she, in her activism on behalf of Jewish refugees? What political context did the poem come from, for her?

Esther Schor: Lazarus was a fourth- or fifth-generation American from a very wealthy family. She was from a Sephardic family, which is to say she didn’t speak Yiddish; she spoke English at home. She was educated in her father’s library, a very upper-class young woman. She was made aware of the refugee crisis [of Jews fleeing pogroms in Russia] by people who were working with her at the American Hebrew Magazine. …

So, she was deeply involved with them, even though she didn’t speak a word of Yiddish and even though I have to say, as a kind of upper-class snob, she recoiled to some extent from these people who were very religious Jews, and they had an utterly different worldview from hers. But she taught them English, she worked at the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society Employment Bureau, she advocated for them, and she started her own fund for them, then went to Europe to try to raise money for them, as well.

… So she was asked to contribute a poem, because of her work with refugees, to [a fundraising effort] to build the pedestal for the Statue of Liberty, in the fall of 1883. She at first demurs: “I don’t write on command”—but in her friend’s memoir, the friend wrote, “I reminded her about her work with the refugees, and it hit home.”

That was her Confederate friend who told her that.

So she writes this poem, and this is where she audaciously brings the demand to the American people on behalf of all the “tired and poor … the huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” …

1882 was also the year of the Immigration Act of 1882, and the Chinese Exclusion Act. I’ve been through Emma Lazarus’ letters many times, and I don’t see her commenting about either piece of legislation. I’ve looked. …

So, basically, Emma Lazarus was concerned about the anti-Semitic pogroms that began in Russia in 1881, and not interested in other people’s problems. Seems like sensible ethnocentrism to me …

But then the poem is eclipsed, so by the time the statue is dedicated in 1886, it’s not read aloud, it’s not published, it’s just not part of the conversation. And as you know, it wasn’t until 1903 when a friend of hers, just as a private venture to honor Emma Lazarus, undertook to commission a plaque with the poem on it, and put it on the pedestal.

Q. And when it was put up, was there an embrace of it, in the larger public sphere? Not so much, right?

A. Emma Lazarus was famous in that decade as a Zionist. And so the poems that were published, popularized, and anthologized of hers [at that time] were these Zionist anthems she wrote. “The New Colossus” was not one of them. It was not until the 1930s, after the anti-immigration legislation of the 1920s, when pro-immigrationists [most prominently the Slovenian-American journalist Louis Adamic] took the poem up as a kind of anthem. …

Louis Adamic was a Slovenian peasant who came to the U.S. at age 15 and got into leftwing activism. I’d never heard of him until now, so I doubt he was immensely influential.

Q. Between the 1930s and now, it somehow went from an interventionist poem, making an argument not everyone agreed with, to something that a lot of people think of fundamentally American. By 1986, you write in your biography, at the centennial celebration of the Statue of Liberty, the poem was uncontroversially included. So, sometime between 1930 and 1986, what happened to change its status?

A. The poem began as a subversive poem. It’s literally subverting the meaning of the statue that the French intended it to have, which was to honor French republicanism and abolitionism. So Lazarus single-handedly changed what the statue meant.

That subversive poem becomes a bourgeois piety, at a certain point. The Cold War had something to do with it—in essence, the Statue of Liberty becomes a symbol of American liberty, as opposed to fascism.

Okay, but fascism wasn’t around during the Cold War, it was around during WWII.

Irving Berlin set the poem to music and used it in “Miss Liberty” in 1949; the Statue of Liberty is also used in Saboteur, a 1942 Hitchcock movie. Then, “The New Colossus” is also taken up in the public schools as a recitation poem—it’s widely anthologized, read at civic gatherings. It’s hard to find a date, but I think the Cold War had a lot to do with it.

Nah, not the Cold War. Google’s Ngram of usage of “wretched refuse” in books shows it took off in 1939-1943, and then stayed at the same level through 2007 (the last usable date in the Ngram archive). This professor wrote her biography just before Ngram became available (c. 2009), so she didn’t have a chance to research this back then:

So the fame of “The New Colossus” was a World War II thing: This huge 1939-1943 spike probably had to do with concern for refugees from Naziism. E.g., the 1942 movie Casablanca is about refugees.

Okay, that finally makes sense: the poem’s fame traces to the Casablanca era, a time of highly quotable, mass market, vaguely leftist schmaltz.

Basically, the poem was written in response to the Russian anti-Semitic pogroms of 1881 and finally became famous following German anti-Semitic Kristallnacht pogrom of late 1938.

So, that means the poem isn’t really about immigrants, it’s about refugees. It was written about Jewish refugees from anti-Semitic violence and it became permanently famous during another era of anti-Semitic violence generating refugees.

I hadn’t realized that.

It’s almost as if the poem has been Culturally Appropriated.

And my sense is it’s recovering its subversive power now.

Q. Yes, I wanted to ask your perspective on the recurrent resurfacings of the poem in our debate over immigration. On the left, the impulse seems to be to correct anti-immigration Trump officials by making reference to this poem’s ideals. Yet, the poem has always been representative of a particular point of view on American immigration—not a consensus position. It seems hard to point this out without undermining the authority of sentiments I basically agree with!

A. … Think about it this way. What other left cause in this country, if we’re going to call immigration a “left” cause, which it is right now … what other cause has its poem? Where’s the health care sonnet, where’s the gerrymandering sonnet?

I feel a need for a gerrymandering sonnet.

Seriously, it feels like The Establishment is on the verge of going nuts over an extremist abstractly universalist misinterpretation mandating Open Borders of an understandably ethnocentrist poem.

In reality, Emma Lazarus and the people in the early 1940s who made her poem famous weren’t obsessed with letting everybody on Earth into America, they just wanted to help their own people who were under threat of state-sanctioned violence.

It’s time to respectfully make clear the ethnocentrism of Emma Lazarus and her fans.

Methodology notes for Ngram:

  • I set the last year to 2007 (you can set it to 2008, but that only brings up a partial year of data, so everybody ends hatching fruitless theories about why the term suddenly nosedived in popularity in 2008.
  • I set the years of smoothing to zero, which makes for a spikier graph, but is crucial for a question like this where there was a huge spike following Kristallnacht.
 
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  1. Anonymous[199] • Disclaimer says:

    King John violently expelled England’s Jewry in the middle ages. Apparently, the Jewry came over with the Normans after the conquest, having no presence in Anglo Saxon England.
    It was many centuries time before Oliver Cromwell, the regicide and dictator, invited Jews back into England. This wave was entirely Sephardic in ethnicity, coming via Holland.
    The 17th and 18th centuries were England’s high point of slavery and planting. It is a known fact that English Sephardim were heavily involved in this commerce, and Sephardim from England based themselves in the ‘American colonies’ as slave dealers and general factors, merchants etc in cotton, tobacco etc.

    Likely Emma Lazarus was descended from persons deeply involved in the American slave trade.

  2. eah says:

    The Emma Lazarus Poem Was Little Known Until WWII

    Such a factoid doesn’t really matter today of course — that it was ignored in Jim Crow America will, in the minds of you know “who, whom”, perhaps only increase the propaganda value of the poem.

  3. Shouldn’t it be in the National Archives with the rest of the official text of the US Constitution?

  4. Imagine a conversation. A real conversation. A very naughty conversation.

    a very wealthy family

    ruh-roh, did you just say rich jews??

    a kind of upper-class snob

    then you doubled down? This can’t be.

    Lazarus single-handedly changed what the statue meant.

    Single-handedly? That’s one powerful frecha.

    Between the 1930s and now, it somehow went from an interventionist poem, making an argument not everyone agreed with, to something that a lot of people think of fundamentally American.

    Somehow! What could that word mean? Might it have to do with…..propaganda?

    “The New Colossus” is also taken up in the public schools as a recitation poem—it’s widely anthologized, read at civic gatherings.

    Hey, I somehow know you! You’re that Passive Voice Thing again!

  5. LondonBob says:

    Steve peddling the trope of there being ‘anti semitic’ pogroms in Tsarist Russia.

    Why did Constance Harrison urge Lazarus to write it?

  6. Formerly The Statue of Liberty

    The dame with the Roman proboscis
    Is “The New”, not the Grecian, “Colossus.”
    Dedicated, at first, to the bravery
    It took to eliminate slavery,
    It was re-dedicated by Lazarus
    To make immigration seem glamorous.

    Let’s us, all the immigrant-haters,
    Re-re-name and re-re-dedicate ’er
    To enforced limits on immigration:
    We’ll make her “The Statue”, now, “of Limitation.”

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  7. LondonBob says:
    @Anonymous

    Cromwell didn’t invite Jews back to England. There was a petition and it was considered, debated and rejected.

  8. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Steve, you focused on the Jewish ethnocentric angle so tightly here that you left out an obvious implication: Lazarus was a tool for the cheap labor lobby. You say her Confederate friend encouraged her to write the poem. The Confederates had lost their slaves 20 years previously, and desperately poor immigrants were imported to replace them.

  9. eah says:

    OT

    A few days ago in a kind of ‘town hall’ meeting, Merkel said she did not believe her Flüchtlingspolitik had divided Deutschland („Meine Politik hat das Land nicht gespalten“).

    Salvini tried to block an NGO Rettungsschiff Schlepperschiff named “Open Arms” (really) carrying “rescued” African migrants from entering an Italian harbor — he was overruled by a judge in Rome (sounds familiar) — here is Merkel proposing that Europe/the EU provide the same rescue taxi service.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  10. Sean says:

    Golda Meir as the Statue of Liberty at a Zionist Pageant in Milwaukee.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  11. The Cold War had something to do with it—in essence, the Statue of Liberty becomes a symbol of American liberty, as opposed to fascism.

    As you say, during the Cold War, fascism had nothing to do with it. Couldn’t the guy have written “Communism” just this once? That is, even if he were write about this part.

    As to the details of said poem, I don’t completely with agree with any of the sentiment there, but when it gets to that “wretched refuse” part, man, really? I didn’t know the US Constitution had been subcontracted out to Waste Management, Inc.

    BTW, great post on the interesting origins of this poetic 0th Amendment.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
  12. @LondonBob

    Don’t confuse our uber-papist friends with facts.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  13. El Dato says:
    @LondonBob

    Are you saying Jimbo’s Amazing Fuct Pandemonium is lying?

    As Lord Protector, Cromwell was aware of the Jewish community’s involvement in the economics of the Netherlands, now England’s leading commercial rival. It was this—allied to Cromwell’s tolerance of the right to private worship of those who fell outside Puritanism—that led to his encouraging Jews to return to England in 1657, over 350 years after their banishment by Edward I, in the hope that they would help speed up the recovery of the country after the disruption of the Civil Wars.[127] There was a longer-term motive for Cromwell’s decision to allow the Jews to return to England, and that was the hope that they would convert to Christianity and therefore hasten the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, ultimately based on Matthew 23:37–39 and Romans 11. At the Whitehall conference of December 1655 he quoted from St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans 10:12–15 on the need to send Christian preachers to the Jews. William Prynne the Presbyterian, in contrast to Cromwell the Congregationalist, was strongly opposed to the latter’s pro-Jewish policy.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  14. @Achmed E. Newman

    As you well know Karl Marx was, uh, ethnic.

  15. @eah

    Merkel said she did not believe her Flüchtlingspolitik had divided Deutschland („Meine Politik hat das Land nicht gespalten“).

    Well, here’s what one former Senior German military officer had to say about her:

    “Merkel hat einen Eid auf Deutschland geschworen, aber sie hat schon ein Problem damit, von einem deutschen Volk zu sprechen. Sie redet lieber von «Bevölkerung» …. Auch der Schutz der eigenen Grenzen ist kein prioritäres Ziel mehr. Deutschland gibt immer mehr Souveränität ab an die EU, die Europäische Zentralbank, an supranationale Organisationen.”

    source: https://www.nzz.ch/international/deutschland-ex-general-kandidiert-als-afd-kandidat-ld.1500440

    That roughly translates to: "Merkel swore an oath to Germany, but she has a problem speaking about a German People. She prefers to speak of the Population. …. Protecting the border is also no longer a priority. Germany also gives more of its sovereignty to the EU, the European Central Bank, and Supranational organisations.

    So, of course she has not divided Germany; she seems to assume it no longer exists.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  16. A poem by a Jewish woman wanting to help fellow Jews escape persecution, is used to promote the importation of people who will persecute Jews. That’s something out of the Old Testament

  17. El Dato says:
    @LondonBob

    Are you saying there were no pogroms in Tsarist Russia?

    (a trope it isn’t in any case; if anything it would be a “legend” or a “tall story”.)

    • Replies: @gregor
  18. Lot says:

    “Seems like sensible ethnocentrism”

    Religio-centrism maybe. Sephardi are not too closely related to AJs, who are closer to Italians than to other Jewish groups.

    The Sephardi may have picked up some Italian ancestry from a common ancestry group with AJs, who left the chaos of Dark Age Italy for the stability of Gothic Spain, though I think it is more likely they mostly went to Spain directly in Roman times from the Eastern Med.

    “Basically, the poem was written in response to the Russian anti-Semitic pogroms of 1881”

    Russia was the “land” of “storied pomp”? It feels to me more of an anti-French/English snob reference in an era of peak inequality and the gilded age super wealthy imitating English aristocratic manners and sending their daughters off to marry poor earls’ sons.

  19. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    Oliver Cromwell, the regicide and dictator

    You make it sound as if that were a bad thing.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @m___
  20. SFG says:
    @LondonBob

    Don’t assume the battle lines were the same over 100 years ago. Jewish immigrants weren’t particularly left-wing until the huge influx of anti-Czarist refugees at the turn of the last century. There would be nothing bizarre about Jewish supporters of the Confederacy in that era. (Remember Judah P. Benjamin? David Levy Yulee? Lewis Charles Levin the Know-Nothing? Nah…) It’s not nuts Constance and Emma could have been friends, particularly as two women writing in an era when fewer did.

    Take another example–Catholics and Eastern Europeans (which overlap) were pro-immigration through the mid-20th century, being part of various groups restricted by the 1924 Immigration Act. Even Adamic doesn’t appear to have had parentheses from his Wikipedia bio.

    The whole emphasis on ‘family unification’ that produced chain migration was an attempt to maintain the ethnic background of the USA. Of course, it backfired because Europeans didn’t want to come here anymore as Europe improved. Cellar had help from Kennedy and Hart (Irish)–they thought they were going to pack the USA with more Irishmen, who were pretty reliable Democratic votes in that era.


    None of this is to deny neocon support for immigration in the 90s and after, Michelle Goldberg saying ‘why don’t we replace them’ in the NYT, Bernstein taking down Sam Hyde, or Max Boot and Jennifer Rubin frothing at the mouth in WaPo. Or Google having Youtube demonetize videos they don’t like. Or Zuckerberg trying, in comically inept fashion, to create bipartisan open borders astroturf groups so he can get cheap programmers. Or anything George Soros has done in the past 50 years.

    But don’t project the current battle lines back into infinity. Groups shift sides over time (most famously Northern Catholics).

  21. Lot says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    “The Confederates had lost their slaves 20 years previously, and desperately poor immigrants were imported to replace them.”

    The South had the weakest demand for labor. The slaves didn’t disappear, they kept working for wages or sharecropping. They did make more than before, which is why slaves were so expensive in the first place, but still were a huge pool of poor labor.

    The demand for labor was also weak in the South because during the blockade cotton production permanently expanded in Egypt and India.

  22. @LondonBob

    So who did lift the ban on the Jews? Charles II? Anglo-Zionism had to start some time …

    • Replies: @dearieme
  23. Charon says:
    @LondonBob

    ‘anti semitic’ pogroms

    The phrase just means anything that Jews don’t like. They usually fill in the details later, sometimes years later and sometimes decades.

    About the current example, of the sacred Emma Lazarus poem gaining currency upon world war 2?

  24. Charon says:

    …Simply consider who was fighting the war, and who won. The Jews were fighting by proxy (as is their wont) letting the Anglo / Americans die for their cause.

    When the dust had settled, the USA was well on its way toward its current status as a slave state, England had lost her empire, and Russia and Germany lay in ruins.

    Everyone had lost except for the Jews, who gave us the wreckage we see around us, more and more with each passing day.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Cowboy shaw
  25. Richard S says:
    @LondonBob

    Hmm, I’m pretty sure that Imperial Russia was the most officially antisemitic country in the world. Coincidentally they also possessed the largest Jewish population of any country.

    That was one of the reasons that Germany, busy battering the Tsar’s armies into the ground, was still able to raise loans in New York until the Tsar was overthrown in March 1917.

    Again coincidentally, the USA declared war on Germany in the first week of April 1917.

  26. Richard S says:
    @LondonBob

    Cromwell did indeed allow Jews to settle in England again.

    These fanatical English Protestants saw themselves as the “New Israel”, with a “divine covenant” to f**k up anyone who got in their way. Plus London’s merchants wanted access to the web of Jewish financial connections with Europe and the New World.

    Jerusalem” remains to this day England’s unofficial national hymn, as opposed to God Save the King, which is the anthem for the United [sic] Kingdom.

  27. Harold says:

    It seems she wasn’t gung-ho, but rather conflicted

    From The Jew Accused, by Albert S. Lindemann, which can be found online https://archive.org/details/ThJewAccusedThreeAnti-semiticAffairsDreyfusBeilisFrank1894-1915/page/n233

    The poem, with its reference to the immigrants as “wretched refuse,” is also not without awkward ambiguities; Lazarus, as will be discussed below, was not an admirer of the Jewish element of those huddled masses, and she unquestioningly embraced Anglo-Saxon cultural preeminence.

    Emma Lazarus, whose poem was placed at the base of the Statue of Liberty, was not so sure about the huddled masses of Jews from Russia. She suggested that another place, not the United States, should be found for that unappealing “mass of semi-Orientals, Kabbalists, and Hassidim.”

    This later excerpt references Israel in the Mind of America, Peter Grose, pg 32. Where we find

    …Jacob Schiff, Oscar Strauss, and Jesse Seligman, paid a formal call on President Benjamin Harrison in 1891 to urge a government protest to Russia for forcing “groups of its people to seek refuge in another country.” Even Miss Lazarus weakened. “For the mass of semi-Orientals, Kabbalists and Hassidim who constitute the vast majority of east European Israelites,” she wrote, “some more practical measure of reforms must be devised than their transportation to a state of society [the United States] utterly at variance with their time-honored customs and most sacred beliefs.” She came up with an idea: “They must establish an independent nationality.”

    That’s what independent nationalities are for.

  28. Trystero says:

    @Steve / Hi Steve- forgive my off topic comment, but I wanted to make sure you got this link / resource re: “Critical Race Theory.” The video below is an incredible breakdown of how the intersectionality garbage destroyed education, etc. Its 2 atheist philosophers explaining CRT in detail to a guy who is a Southern Baptist contra-SJW. The reason the video was made is because the Southern Baptist convention adopted Resolution 9 this year, which says CRT can be a valid tool in diagnosing racial reconciliation, etc – by now you know the drill. Anyway, this video is basically a crash course in intersectionality, how pernicious and evil it is, and what to look for once it invade disciples (like science). Hope you see this comment and get to watch the vid. It’s well worth it. Also, thank you for your work!

  29. dearieme says:
    @Anonymous

    King John violently expelled England’s Jewry in the middle ages

    No he didn’t. It was Edward Longshanks.

  30. @Dave Pinsen

    I agree with this theory for the most part but I’d say cheap labor demands were primarily from the industrialized North. Blacks were still working farms in the South at that point.

  31. Altai says:

    OT: I found the most amazing editorial from Haaretz. Self-awareness level: Sub zero.

    Imran Khan says India is planning ethnic cleansing in Kashmir. But Pakistan has actually committed it

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium-imran-khan-says-india-is-ethnic-cleansing-in-kashmir-but-pakistan-committed-it-1.7686207

    The article itself is irrelevant, just pointing out actions from Pakistan and it’s supposed proxies in the conflict without ever engaging with the question of what exactly the Indian state is planning to do and if they might succeed more thoroughly than Pakistan or it’s supposed proxies have in ethnic cleansing.

    I just love the headline being in Haaretz. Does it imply that their editorial policy is against ethnic cleansing or just exceeding what was necessary for the tony parts of Tel Aviv to exist.

    It’s premium and isn’t on Google Cache yet but you can literally just press x to stop being taken to the subscription page after the page itself has loaded.

  32. Harold says:

    Between the 1930s and now, it somehow went from an interventionist poem, making an argument not everyone agreed with, to something that a lot of people think of fundamentally American.

    “Somehow”

    It’s literally subverting the meaning of the statue that the French intended it to have, which was to honor French republicanism and abolitionism. So Lazarus single-handedly changed what the statue meant.

    “single-handedly”

    A while ago there were articles, one in the NYT by a Jewish author, about how Trump’s vision of America isn’t what America is really about, while at the same time having the chutzpah to claim the mantle of ‘democratic’ for the vision imposed by the holders of the megaphone over the one the people had just voted for.

  33. dearieme says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Lawyers who were set to investigating the matter (by Cromwell) decided that the original expulsion had applied only to the particular individuals expelled; legally, there had been no general ban on Jews. That’s presumably what is referred to here: a national conference was summoned at Whitehall in the early part of December [1655], which included some of the most eminent lawyers, clergymen, and merchants in the country . The lawyers declared no opposition to the Jews’ residing in England …

    The whole story is laid out to WKPD levels of accuracy and disinterest:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resettlement_of_the_Jews_in_England

  34. kihowi says:

    in her friend’s memoir, the friend wrote, “I reminded her about her work with the refugees, and it hit home.”

    No she didn’t. The 19th person did not use the fashionable emo-babble buzzphrase from 2019.

    Yet, it’s included in the quote. So either the professor isn’t very concerned about strict accuracy or the journalist has so little historical linguistic sense that that sounds “right” to her.

    • Agree: Kyle
  35. The people quoting this poem are about as subversive of the power structure as a damp dishrag.

  36. @Lot

    True.
    The South didn’t really even start to recover from the Civil War until the FDR administration, with rural electrification including the TVA, the CCC, The WPA and all that.

    There was some need for labor in the South, but not that much. The Great Migration was due to labor shortages in the North. People act as if the Great Migration was only blacks. Not so. Many poor whites migrated up North for better wages as well.

    It is interesting to see what white pro-immigration leftists thought about the Great Migration. Upton Sinclair’s book The Jungle had a bit where evil black “bucks” acted as strike breakers, taking the jobs of virtuous white Eastern European immigrants. Interesting that Gone With the Wind has a reputation as a highly racist book, but The Jungle is far more racist.

    The fact of the matter is — division among the workers always works to the advantage of the bosses. There is no easier way to divide workers than to import cheap labor.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Rapparee
  37. Jake says:

    “In reality, Emma Lazarus and the people in the early 1940s who made her poem famous weren’t obsessed with letting everybody on Earth into America, they just wanted to help their own people who were under threat of state-sanctioned violence.”

    That’s how Jews arrange for their suffering later. Jews act to bring horror down on their own heads.

    Jews begin by using what freedom they have in a given time and place to advocate for Jews to be free of any real violence directed at them because of race/religion. As soon as that is achieved, they then begin expanding their pleas, which fairly soon are revealed to be open-ended and never-ending.

    In this specific, we now have Jews leading the charge to demand that millions upon millions of Mohammedans enter the US – and receive Affirmative Action preferences.

    And they also demand millions more Numinous Negroes, though most non-US NNs feel far more antipathy toward the sneaky Jews than they feel thankful to them.

    When the lid blows, Jews will get smacked all around simply by the sheer numbers, and there won’t be enough whites left to save them.

    And Jews will damn the conservative, racist, sexist, anti-Semitic whites, especially those with Confederate ancestors, for the horrors they suffered.

  38. @The Alarmist

    “So, of course she has not divided Germany; she seems to assume it no longer exists.”

    Major Pickett, look to your division.
    General Lee, I have no division!

  39. peterike says:

    Then, “The New Colossus” is also taken up in the public schools as a recitation poem

    Cohencidentally along with the massive influx of Jews as teachers in the public education system, at least in the larger cities. Even into the 1960s the “Jewish school teacher” was a common trope, at least in New York. But when that cohort retired, for the most part their children and other Jews had gone on to much bigger things than being public school teachers. I wonder how many Jews are teaching in public schools these days? My guess is the teacher population has shifted to heavily Catholic, except for the blacks. Ok, I’m going to stop myself now.

    • Replies: @Alden
  40. Travis says:
    @Lot

    excellent point. There was no labor shortages in the South , the immigrants who came to America went to the Northern states, which is the reason Ellis Island was built in New Jersey and not Virginia.

  41. Thirdtwin says:

    “So the fame of “The New Colossus” was a World War II thing: This huge 1939-1943 spike probably had to do with concern for refugees from Naziism…”

    Maybe some concern for the labor shortage created by men going off to war, and the need to explain Braceros in a patriotic context? Interesting how the Bracero program expired in 1964, the year before Ted Kennedy’s immigration catastrophe.

  42. Wilkey says:

    The New Colossus is famous only thanks to our (increasingly centralized) public school system. If American schoolchildren didn’t have it beaten into their heads every few years when they studied American history then they wouldn’t know it at all. That and the fact that the schmaltzy language is exactly the kind that a lot of children tend to love.

    The poem basically reads like it was focus-grouped to play to every emotion of your average teenager, or someone with the mental age thereof. Change the subject slightly – say trade instead of immigration – and it would read as the sort of jingoistic, self-righteous rant that it is. “Their country is awful and evil. Our country is the best.” I mean it’s basically calling every other country a shithole.

    And it always has come across to me like intellectual property theft. A bunch of Frenchmen and Emma Lazarus and her open borders friends all show up to America’s 100th birthday party. The French bring this beautiful, exquisite statue. Emma Lazarus and her open borders friends, who typically only talk shit about America, bring nothing. The open borders freaks distract America and all the partygoers while Emma Lazarus switches gift tags, claiming the statue is from them. But she goofs and forgets to rename it from “La Liberte Eclairant Le Monde” to “The Statue of Immigration,” so many people catch on, but many more are still naive enough to believe it was from Lazarus and the open borders folks.

    • Agree: Herbert West
    • Replies: @BB753
    , @Herbert West
  43. George says:

    According to the experts at Wikipedia Lazarus “wrote the poem in 1883 to raise money for the construction of a pedestal for the Statue of Liberty (Liberty Enlightening the World).” I would not be surprised if she was paid for the ad copy. Once the pedestal was paid for the backers of the project moved on.

    The national campaign to finance the pedestal was failing due to (imo) its abstract civil war abolitionist theme, why should someone in Ohio give a … . In particular, the end of reconstruction due to Southern insurrection and the start of Jim Crow might have been poor timing. The poem seems well designed to attract $$$ from NYC real estate interests, the only people who would pitch in.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus

    I think she was paid to write ad copy so she wrote an uncharacteristically understandable poem as her other stuff is kind of wacky. Emma Lazerus other famous poem was Progress and Poverty apparently advocating for all taxes to be eliminated and replaced by the ‘single tax’, property tax, as suggested by then popular economist Henry George. NYC real estate interests were probably pissed but left scratching their heads on reading it. You get what you pay for.

    Emma Lazarus’s other poem, “Progress and Poverty” was published in the New York Times on October 2, 1881.

    Progress and Poverty
    (After reading Mr. Henry George’s book.)
    Oh splendid age when Science lights her lamp
    At the brief lightning’s momentary flame.
    Fixing it steadfast as a star, man’s name
    Upon the very brow of heaven to stamp,
    Launched on a ship whose iron-cuirassed sides
    Mock storm and wave. Humanity sails free;
    Gayly upon a vast untraveled sea,
    O’er pathless wastes, to ports undreamed she rides.
    Richer than Cleopatra’s barge of gold,
    This vessel, manned by demi-gods, with freight
    Of priceless marvels. But where yawns the hold
    In that deep, reeking hell, what slaves be they
    Who feed the ravenous monster, pant and sweat,
    Nor know if overhead reign night and day?
    Emma Lazarus

    Got it, its about replacing tariffs and income tax with property tax!!!!

    Search on Henry George and Georgism for lots more including endorsements from Leo Tolstoy and Woodrow Wilson among others.

    “This huge 1939-1943 spike ”

    Maybe the US media market shifted from local to NYC based media. If you live in the metro NY the Statue of Liberty will seem more important than say the Blue Ridge Mountains, Shenandoah River (John Denver on West Virginia) or whatever is a big deal in Kansas. The Lazarus/statue of liberty story is really an NYC story, and NYC likes NYC stories.

    After WWI and the creation of the USSR, the Statue of Liberty (from capitalist slave power) might have been seen as too subversive, recasting the statues meaning was probably was natural.

  44. LondonBob says:
    @Richard S

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/dec/09/religion.uk

    Nope. That Jews were encouraged to come to England by Cromwell is as much a lie as the Windrush immigrants were invited to Britain.

    • Replies: @Richard S
    , @Alden
  45. It’s time to respectfully make clear the ethnocentrism of Emma Lazarus and her fans.

    Sovereignty-Sapping Subversion Is What The Bolshevik Jews Do.

    Why hasn’t Solzhenitsyn’s book Two Hundreds Years Together about Jew sovereignty-sapping subversion in Russia been more widely translated from the original Russian into dozens of different languages?

    Why isn’t it more widely known that the JEW QUESTION and the question of sovereignty-sapping subversion by the Jews was a matter widely discussed by the ruling classes of the various European Christian nations?

    How is it possible for university graduates in the USA to be unaware of the existence of the JEW QUESTION?

    How is it not more widely known that some Jews were heavily involved in the slave trade and in the financing of slave ships and the like? One of George W Bush’s ancestors was a captain of a slave ship — was his slave ship financed by a Jew or a consortium of Jews?

    Why hasn’t a French frog told the Jews to bugger off and make it more widely known that the Statue of Liberty was a gift from the French government or the French people and it was to commemorate the one hundred year anniversary of the 1776 Declaration of Independence? Kevin Phillips makes the case that 1775 was more important to the outcome of the American Secessionary War from the British Empire but that is another subject.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  46. istevefan says:
    @LondonBob

    Here is an excerpt of something that appeared in The Guardian from December 2005. It was pointed out in a previous Sailer post.

    The trouble is, Cromwell did not readmit the Jews to England in 1656. In fact, he didn’t readmit them at all. Certainly they’d been expelled, by Edward I in 1290. In 1655, Menasseh ben Israel, a leader of the Jewish community in Amsterdam, came to England to persuade Cromwell to let them back in. In December that year, a conference of lawyers, merchants and theologians met to discuss the issue, but failed to reach a verdict. According to one account, “the Preachers kept pelting one another so furiously with Texts of Scripture, and wiping their Spectacles, that the Debates continued for four Days; though very little was said on the Question of the Jews’ resettlement.”

    Members of the existing Jewish community in London (yes, there were Jews in Britain before 1656, albeit in hiding) then petitioned Cromwell to let them worship openly, but their petition was ignored. A merchant named Thomas Violet reflected the views of the majority when he declared, in 1661, that “it is Felony for any Jew to be found in England”. In the centuries that followed, Jews were repeatedly threatened with harassment and expulsion, and continued to be classed as aliens.

    The non-event only became fact in the late 19th century, when the mass immigration of Jews from Eastern Europe prompted widespread antisemitism. The existing Jewish community was keen to emphasise the positive aspects of immigration, and they made use of an ideal precedent. At the same time, the reputation of Cromwell was being transformed from that of radical villain to liberal hero and so the first Resettlement Day was held in 1894.

    Despite the historical reality, the story of Cromwell and the Jews is told in the new Dictionary of National Biography, on undergraduate history courses, and in speeches by the chief rabbi. It’s not hard to understand why minority history is often celebratory. But whose interests, ultimately, do these myths serve? As the government’s official guide for immigrants makes clear, Britain regards itself as an exceptionally tolerant country, and the readmission story contributes to that self-image. Unfortunately, for those wanting proof that religious integration is possible, however, they hould avoid citing the events of 1656.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    , @Hibernian
  47. I never before knew that this poem was a sonnet, a 14-line poem of rhyme scheme “abba, abba; cdcdcd”. Nor did I ever learn of this poem in school. The only part of this poem I have ever heard is its last 4 and 2/3 lines (“Give me your tired, your poor … the golden door!”). Looking at the whole poem in

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus

    , I find a surprise: “Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand a mighty woman with a torch”. Huh? “sunset gates”? “golden”? Ya mean like the Golden Gate on our sunset shore, along the Pacific Ocean, in San Francisco harbor? Why did Emma Lazarus write “sunset”, not “sunrise”?

  48. Mr. Anon says:

    The New Colossus wasn’t generally known until about 1940 and yet it is – and always has been – part of “who we are”.

    So, she was deeply involved with them, even though she didn’t speak a word of Yiddish and even though I have to say, as a kind of upper-class snob, she recoiled to some extent from these people who were very religious Jews, and they had an utterly different worldview from hers.

    Wow, it’s almost as if she was primarily motivated by tribal loyalty, favoring people who were superficially very different from her, yet whom she deemed to be more “her people” than she did those with whom she merely shared citizenship.

  49. Gunner says:

    Looking into all this “history” stuff makes the average SJW’s head hurt. Just easier to call people like Stephen Miller hypocrites and racist.

  50. t says:

    OT: More “labor shortage” propaganda from Vox.

    https://www.vox.com/2019/8/12/20801941/us-labor-shortage-workers-quit

    Who’s paying them to write this stuff?

  51. nebulafox says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    The South really wasn’t fully integrated into the rest of the nation until the 1970s. The CR Movement gets all the headlines, but probably more important was the level of migration from other states to the Sun Belt, as well as urbanization and the kind of mass economic liberalization that would produce guys like Carter and Clinton.

    In a sense, if the right-wing political turn of the 1970s can be boiled down to the biggest factor, it would be the South and the West-and their needs-gaining power at the expense of the East and North.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  52. nebulafox says:
    @SFG

    Yeah, I always found that as yet another testament to how much American popular culture is based off of life in major cities. In the rural Deep South, the local Jews you ended up knowing were Sephardim. Black hair, swarthy complexion, Portuguese or Italian sounding names that distinguished them, and had been here for longer than the turn of the century-and political sensibilities that weren’t very different from their Gentile neighbors. That was “Jewish”, not Germanic sounding surnames, fair complexion/hair, and left-wing politics.

    With mass urbanization in the South over the past half century, this has diluted quite a lot, but still.

    (Then there is is Brighton Beach, where you get Russian sounding ones because of the assimilation that took off in the latter day USSR and political views that’d make Pat Buchanan blush!).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  53. Altai says:

    OT:
    Despite the whole film being in English Disney decided to pick a mainland Chinese actress to play Mulan in the live-action adaptation.

    Hilarity ensues when she endorses the common sentiment and views of other mainland Chinese vis-a-vis the HK protests on Chinese social media. Diversity is strength!

    https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-mulan-crystal-liu-yifei-china-hong-kong-protest-police-crackdown-1203304483/

    Disney’s live-action “Mulan” film has become an unlikely battleground for the fight against Beijing’s authoritarian rule after its main star, China-born Crystal Liu Yifei, retweeted a Chinese propaganda post in support of the police crackdown on mass anti-government protests in Hong Kong.

    On the Twitter-like Weibo social media platform, where Liu has nearly 66 million followers, the actress retweeted an image from the Communist Party mouthpiece, the People’s Daily, that reads “I support the Hong Kong police; you can beat me up now” in Chinese and “What a shame for Hong Kong” below in English. She also reiterated campaign’s hashtag: “I also support the Hong Kong Police” with a heart and strong-arm emoji. The post has been liked 78,000 times since it went up yesterday and retweeted nearly 69,000 times. Most of the comments are just echoes of the same: “Love you, I also support them!”

    So far Mulan looks like it will do very well at the box office (It’s about the only one of these films that could be enhanced with a live action remake and it will clean up in China) and it’s still 6 months away, so I expect this to all blow over by then. But if the CCP send the army into HK, things could get bad for Disney PR.

    I did find this line interesting.

    Beijing has launched a misinformation campaign about the protests at home that seeks to portray demonstrators as violent and paid agitators. But of course, not all those who express support for China’s stance on the protests are brainwashed or bamboozled.

    Does this standard apply to Disney stars who opine on Russia-gate? Is Sarah Silverman coming back for another Wreck It Ralph?

    I have to say though that the tone of this Variety piece is quite vitriolic, it actually reminds me of a People’s Daily article.

  54. @LondonBob

    Why did Constance Harrison urge Lazarus to write it?

    Now this is damning. Mrs Harrison was the granddaughter of Thomas Fairfax, a Virginian with the very un-American, irrepublican possession of a Scottish hereditary title. In her youth, she served as the Betsy Ross of the CSA battle flag.

    Miss Lazarus can now be wrapped in that flag.

    Add to that the fact that her own grandpa co-founded the New York Stock Exchange, and that she was addled by an unrequited crush on her first cousin– almost exogamy for Rhode Island Sephardic Jews– and that poem stinks like a three-day-old Narragansett cod.

    • Replies: @kikz
  55. @nebulafox

    Yeah, I always found that as yet another testament to how much American popular culture is based off of life in major cities.

    Like “Dixie”, written by an Ohioan in Lower Manhattan.

  56. BB753 says:
    @Wilkey

    The Statue of Liberty was itself a freemasonic symbol disguised as a symbol of liberty.

  57. Is immigration a left wing cause? The evil right wing Koch brothers have joined the cause. The political foundation is shifting.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  58. Billb says:

    This will all blow over as soon as some of Emma Lazarus’ teenage tweets surface.

    • Replies: @anon
  59. Neoconned says:
    @Anonymous

    You know with the neocons and the other internationalists out there pushing open borders lunacy…..can someone smarter than me either confirm or deny that this international obsession is in it’s very roots at Trotskyite thing?

    I smell Trotsky & his internationalism all over this movement to do away with CBP, ICE etc and to basically kick the shithouse door wide open to let in every 3rd world street vendor, criminal etc

  60. kikz says:

    “Harrison belonged to an old Virginia family related to the Fairfaxes and Jeffersons. Her home was destroyed during the American Civil War and consequently she witnessed much of the horrors of that struggle. After its close, she accompanied her mother to Europe and while in France.”

    yeah, she witnessed so many horrors…she just had to bugger off to ‘The Continent’ for a tour……..following the war. yeah, sounds like their family had a really rough time of it…….*stink eye*

    “For example, Emma Lazarus was problematically persuaded to write her huddled-masses poem by her close friend Constance Cary Harrison, who was the Betsy Ross of the Confederate battle flag. But that never seems to come up.”
    AND??????????? SO?

    Harrison was simply another pampered daughter of the monied elite, who socially fell in a bolshevik commie pampered daughter…. who upon her ‘ethinic awakening’ decided it would be great to import all her bolshevikmarxistcommie ethinic brethren…………………… “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me……”

    …….Gentiles/Goyim, awaken……………….she was not referring to you. Following her ‘ethnic awakening’ she is quoted in jewishmag…. “She said “…I have no thought, no passion, no desire, save for my own people.” ”

    http://www.jewishmag.com/93mag/emmalazarus/emmalazarus.htm

  61. I seem to recall that Trump’s adviser Stephen Miller got into an exchange with a reporter (Jim Acosta?) a couple of years ago, the outcome of which was Miller admonishing his challenger that it’s “the Statue of Liberty, not the Statue of Immigration.”

    • Replies: @bjondo
  62. @nebulafox

    The air conditioner was probably the biggest factor in the rise of the South.

    The New South cultural changes which produced people like Carter and Clinton were already in swing by the 1960s. For example, the last segregationist governor of Arkansas left office 12 years before Clinton took office. In the interim were 4 years of a New York liberal integrationist Republican— Winthrop Rockefeller, brother of Nelson; 4 years of a fellow who had helped integrate the Charleston, Ark schools — Dale Bumpers; and 4 years of a governor who had been a pro-integration congressman in the 60s — David Pryor. Carter was one of the original New South governors, but Clinton came later .

    You are completely correct that the New South was (a) influenced by Northerners moving south — George H W Bush and Win Rockefeller were some of the earliest New South politicians, and (b) the New South movement really took power in the 1970s. I grew up in Arkansas, and for a couple of years in the late 70s Carter was President, Clinton was Governor, and the two Arkansas Senators were Bumpers and Pryor. All New South.

    Interesting that there were several presidential elections between the smaller Republican New South and the larger Democratic New South. However, the New South label was used more for the Democrats, and less for the Bush/Rockefeller branch of the New South. In effect, the New South produced 2 VPs -Bush 1 and Gore, and 4 Presidents — Carter, Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  63. Steve: Be careful what you wish for. One gerrymandering sonnet, hot off the poetaster’s griddle:

    A movement, ever-leftward, do we need
    Fore’er to demographically erase
    The Europeans with their Christian creed
    And overwhelm them with another race.
    In Bader Ginsburg, Justice fair and wise,
    In Sotomayor, Kagan, and the rest
    (Two leftward-leaning post-Alzheimer’s guys?)
    Our hopes and dreams for change are surely best.
    Let districts be configured most bizarre,
    To normal polities no semblance bear.
    Irrationality is Who We Are.
    Diversity shall rule both here and there.
    America shall e’er be painted blue:
    Ye yearning billions, it’s the place for you.

  64. I do need to give some props to the Slate article. This is one of the few what-about-the-poem articles which actually shows a knowledge of what Lady Liberty symbolized to the French, and what the history is of the poem.

    In other words, the article acknowledges the fact that this was a poem used by one faction in a long-running debate, and is NOT enshrined in the National Archives.

    The history of the way one group will appropriate a long standing symbol is fascinating. The Liberty Bell was a symbol of religious liberty in Pennsylvania. Later it became a symbol for the American Revolution. Still later a symbol for abolitionists, and in 1976 it was resurrected as a symbol for the American Revolution.

    I am sure we all can think of other symbols being appropriated, such as the Cross of St Andrews in the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anonymous
  65. Jack D says:

    Lazarus’s ethnocentrism was understandable (although it had the zeal of the born-again convert – Lazarus grew up very secular and detached from the Jews and came to identify with them late in life. Like many born again believers she was more zealous than those who had grown up with a closer connection. When I say believer, I don’t mean in the religious sense. ) The later advocacy by Jewish groups for admitting Jewish refugees from Hitler was also understandable as Steve points out.

    But what is NOT understandable, at least to me, is the current displacement by American Jews of their affection for Jewish immigrants onto “immigrants” in general. Some of these immigrants (the Muslim ones) are not only indifferent to the Jews – they are actively hostile to them. Others (Latinos) don’t really resemble the Jews much in terms of their IQ and resulting potential to make future contributions (or looking on the bright side if you are an anti-Semite, depredations) to America as a result. (City) Asians come closest to being a group that are compatible with Jews but most are coming here for economic reasons nowadays and are not fleeing oppression (the Chicoms are oppressive but not to the point that most need to flee for their lives).

    I think it’s some kind of weird Freudian displacement. Of course almost all American Jews alive today were too young to have done anything to prevent the Holocaust. The American Jews who were living then didn’t do all that much (not that much would have been possible), which afterward led to feelings of guilt. If today’s American Jews could time travel, in their fantasy they would go back and do more to stop the Holocaust, but they can’t so support for immigration is the next best thing, I guess.

    I guess you could say that such universalism is admirably unselfish but it is strange. When Jews become disconnected from religious belief, they seem to latch on to these universalist type causes (Communism was also supposed to be an international movement). I think it is a way for Jews to make themselves part of the West while still retaining some of their own identity. If to be “a Pole” or “an American” means having to shed your identity and go to church, this is not appealing to most (and if the qualification is that you have to be “Founding Stock” then it is completely unavailable no matter how many times you shave your beard and get yourself baptized). But being “an American citizen” and worshiping the goddess of immigration is something that is available to all, including Jews and you don’t have to give up matzoh balls to join that church.

  66. kikz says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    there is issue as to discrimination between the terms “donate” vs “urge to write” …..

    “Among her other contributions to American literature, Constance Cary Harrison persuaded her friend Emma Lazarus to donate a poem to the fundraising effort to pay for a pedestal for the Statue of Liberty.”
    [12] Harrison, Recollections Grave and Gay, 314.” if any wiki is to be considered even in modicum as verified source or link to a verified source……https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constance_Cary_Harrison

    tsk tsk sailer… and so what of it? y, the Confederacy was rife w/jews, gee who’d of thunk it? jews controlled the slave markets, and the ships which brought them….. this was not confined to the Confederacy, visit http://slavenorth.com/……………….

    shame on you, if by this ‘problematic’ connection btwn Harris/Lazarus you seek, as so many others, in some insipid way, to further sully The South, Southrons, and the CSA by association to a bolshevik commie.

  67. istevefan says:

    But what is NOT understandable, at least to me, is the current displacement by American Jews of their affection for Jewish immigrants onto “immigrants” in general…

    Do you communicate this type of opinion with family, friends and other Jews in general? If so, how do they receive it?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  68. Anon[856] • Disclaimer says:

    From White Shift:

    Pluralists also managed to reposition the Statue of Liberty from its original basis as an emblem of renewed Franco-American cooperation into a symbol of immigration and pluralism. An 1883 poem, ‘The New Colossus’, by a Russian-Jewish émigré, Emma Lazarus, referenced the American asylum tradition in its lines, ‘Give me your tired, your poor / Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, / The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. / Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, / I lift my lamp beside the golden door!’ In 1903, a plaque of the poem was erected in an interior part of the Statue thanks to a private contribution by Georgina Schuyler, but only in the 1930s did the Statue acquire its contemporary significance as a symbol of open immigration.46

    In the 1940s and 1950s, new school history textbooks began to appear which spoke of the country as a ‘melting pot’, talked of immigrant ‘contributions’ and used the Statue to illustrate the process. Irish-American Senator John F. Kennedy reflected the new pluralist sensibility in 1958 with his short book A Nation of Immigrants for the Jewish Anti-Defamation League’s One Nation Library book series. The Statue and poem formed a cornerstone of Kennedy’s interpretation of the national past, and he introduced the ‘nation of immigrants’ catchphrase that was new to the American lexicon and central to the progressive narrative of American nationhood.47 The ‘nation of immigrants’ story tended to be linked with the ‘All Men are Created Equal’ phrase in the American Constitution, binding immigration and the American Creed into a new national narrative. This was a missionary nationalism with the liberal Creed at its centre, in which federal agencies and the country’s battle against communism played a pre-eminent part.

  69. @SFG

    “Don’t assume the battle lines were the same over 100 years ago. Jewish immigrants weren’t particularly left-wing until the huge influx of anti-Czarist refugees at the turn of the last century.”

    pre-1880 American Jews were demographically insignificant—estimated about 150K persons at the time of the Civil War—and massively outnumbered by the hordes that have arrived from Eastern Europe 1880-present.

  70. Jack D says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    It’s very common for symbols to be repurposed to fit their time and a particular agenda. The Confederate Battle Flag was used only to a limited extent during the Civil War and was largely forgotten for decades afterward.

    With the upsurge of nostalgia for the Lost Cause at the end of the 19th century it was revived and added to the state flag of Mississippi in 1894. Nationally, it doesn’t become a recognizable symbol until it is given prominence in the 19-teens. You have the 5oth Anniversary of Gettysburg in 1913, Birth of A Nation (a big movie hit, told from a POV sympathetic to the South) in 1915 (and later Gone with the Wind).

    The love for the rebel flag is sort of understandable in the South but oddly (to me at least) it’s not (until recently) seen as hostile in mainstream circles in the North. The Lost Cause is somehow seen as romantic. Gettysburg and Pickett’s Charge are seen as brave last stands and not as the Confederate Stalingrad. Even now when Confederates are seen as racists (a grave sin) they are not seen as traitors – Robert E. Lee is not Benedict Arnold.

    • Replies: @Alden
  71. Jack D says:
    @istevefan

    We get weekly secret marching orders from the Elders of Zion. Nowadays these come as encrypted emails on our jPhones.

    Just kidding – we read it in the NY Times, same as all Goodwhites.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @William Badwhite
  72. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    Before you know it everything will be rewritten and the Jews came across the ocean on the Mayflower, Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria. It was called Israel until the Anglo-Protestants came over and stole the land from the Jews, Africans,Muslims, Mexicans and Indians who were all living here peacefully. It was the Protestants who renamed the country America. Now they all live in a giant outdoor prison or just pushed off there lands for wealth redistribution in our communist utopia. Their stolen lands everywhere given to others who they owe it to and it serves them right.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  73. @Wilkey

    In short, mass brainwashing works and the vehicle for it is the public education system.

  74. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    It’s called subversion no matter how you slice it. For a long time the Jews in Russia never had to send their children or had them taken for the military. Their children were treated special, because they made special deals and the Jews kept it that way until they couldn’t any longer and their children were being forced into service too. They hate Christians and as soon as they can be drafted the draft will be no longer and things will be voluntary.

  75. Hopscotch says:

    The ethnocentrism of wanting to see your co-ethnics avoid mass murder is, indeed, sensible. But the Jewish experience with promoting immigration in the US was bookended by Nazi violence, not defined by it.

    Since their arrival in the 1880’s, Jewish intellectuals immediately went to work in promoting mass immigration. Regardless of the sensible ethnocentrism, the primary motivating factor was wanting to dilute the cultural incumbency of Anglos. Michael Walzner, from Princeton’s Advanced Institute, explains this fairly clearly in the video, albeit with ethnocentric gloating and an evasion of responsibility. See 1m32s in the video.

    The cultural impact of WW2 — which coincided with Jewish predominance in the cultural commanding heights — was that it made the Jewish narrative about American identity, the de-facto one. If the dissident right is to go anywhere, it needs to start with a reappraisal of this period, to determine the manufactured portions of “who we are.”

  76. ATBOTL says:

    When we win, we are going to blow up that plaque and replace it with a quote from someone like William Pierce.

  77. @Anonymous

    “Likely Emma Lazarus was descended from persons deeply involved in the American slave trade.”

    Someone should trace her history.

    ‘Dealings with the Confederacy’ sounds an awful lot like being involved in slavery. We know that Ulysses Grant called out Jews for being a ‘privileged class’ in the South, running Union blockades. We also know they were massively over-represented in the slave trade, particularly shipping, insurance, etc. And the Sephardics in the New World were the ones owning the sugar and cotton plantations in much of latin america.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Jack D
  78. “. Others (Latinos) don’t really resemble the Jews much in terms of their IQ and resulting potential to make future contributions (or looking on the bright side if you are an anti-Semite, depredations) to America as a result. ”

    When I see latinos pushing drugs, porn, opiate prescriptions through physician kickbacks, radical feminism, communism… then I’ll rank them above Jews on the ‘bad immigrants’ scale. Their street gangs are violent, but their negative influence pales in comparison to the Tribe. l’ll take MS-13 over Meyer Lansky and the entire capture of the media, banking and entertainment industries anyday.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Jack D
  79. bob says:

    Emma Lazarus was a Zionist. We have it on good authority (the United Nations) that Zionism is a form of racism. Therefore, isn’t anyone citing the Emma Lazarus poem a racist? Isn’t that how things work now?

    • Replies: @Thomas
  80. ATBOTL says:
    @SFG

    Northern Catholics are still a lot more liberal than Northern Protestants.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  81. Hopscotch says:
    @Jack D

    If you listen to self-identifying, secular Jews speak, you would think Trump and the Deplorable Cossack Army are galloping up the 405 to raze the Beverly Hills shtetl.

    The most parsimonious and well-documented explanation for Jewish support of mass immigration is the desire to see Anglo-European culture fragmented. Motivations are an innate sense of separatism, a feeling that Anglo incumbents blocked their upward mobility, and a fear of populism. No need for Freud.

  82. Ibound1 says:

    Can we have a present tense – are we allowed a present? Right now I don’t want any “huddled masses” or “wretched refuse”. I don’t care if we really did want them up to 5 minutes ago. I don’t want them right NOW. Are we allowed a NOW? Are we allowed a present?

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  83. @El Dato

    Cromwell, the regicide and dictator

    You make it sound as if that were a bad thing.

    Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn liked to point out that the “absolute” monarchs of the day didn’t demand things, such as income declarations to the taxman and military conscription, that modern democracies are fond of.

  84. @ATBOTL

    Northern Catholics are still a lot more liberal than Northern Protestants.

    They opposed Prohibition. Rhode Island was the only state that didn’t ratify.

    • Replies: @SFG
  85. @Jack D

    But what is NOT understandable, at least to me, is the current displacement by American Jews of their affection for Jewish immigrants onto “immigrants” in general.

    That’s easy. Most American Jews are JINOs. They’re more liberals than Jews (after all- what does it mean to them? Mostly food & fad & SJW).

    They are not even comparable to leftist Jewish activists from the 30s or 50s. If we are to believe Pew research, Jewish ethnicity in the US revolves around Holocaust (not religion, or even secular culture or distant history). But, it seems that emotional power of this narrative is fading. Or, simply- most “Jewish activists” for immigration are not Holo-propelled; they act from more or less the same motives as Gentile SJWs & that is too good a life which has created a mass cognitive dissonance.

    The same with pro-immigration activism in Sweden, Germany, Belgium or France, which have a negligible part of “Jews” among them.

  86. Patricus says:
    @Lot

    The South produced more cotton in 1870 than in 1860. Despite cotton production in Egypt and elsewhere the cost did no go down. There was rapidly growing demand at the time.

  87. Jack D says:
    @anon

    There were indeed Jews on Columbus’s crew. One well documented crew member was a recent Jewish convert . Luis de Torres was born Yosef ben HaLevi HaIvri (Joseph, son of the Levite, the Hebrew). He was the voyage’s interpreter. Columbus (on the assumption that they were sailing for Asia) hired de Torres, who spoke Portuguese, Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic, believing that he could converse with the Jews they would find in the court of the Chinese emperor and with the merchants in the markets of the Orient.

    According to that impeccable source, Henry Ford’s “The International Jew” (a favorite work of Hitler’s – thanks a lot, Henry) there were at least four more Jews associated with Columbus’s voyage: “Marco, the surgeon; Bernal, the physician; Alonzo de la Calle, and Gabriel Sanchez. The astronomical instruments and maps which the navigators used were of Jewish origin. Luis de Torres was the first man ashore, the first to discover the use of tobacco; he settled in Cuba and may be said to be the father of Jewish control of the tobacco business as it exists today.”

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_International_Jew/Volume_1/Chapter_3

    In reality, when Columbus came back for his second voyage, Torres and all the others he left behind were dead, murdered by the Indians so he wasn’t the father of anything.

    • Replies: @anon
  88. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    This is ahistorical. The demand for cheap labor came from the anti-free trade, protectionist, industrial North, not the pro-free trade agrarian South. Manufacturing, unlike agriculture, has increasing returns to scale, so the great expansion of the industrial economy meant great increases in the demand for cheap labor.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    , @Dave Pinsen
  89. Jack D says:
    @jbwilson24

    Lazarus was a direct descendant of the 23 Jews who fled Recife for New Amsterdam in 1654. This made her as “Founding Stock” as they come and the family was well accepted in NY – her father was one of the founding members of the Knickerbocker Club, which was as patrician as you could get in NY.

    Her dad, Moses Lazarus, was in partnership with the notorious (and WASPous) Bradish Johnson. Together they owned the sugar refining and liquor distilling firm of Johnson and Lazarus. Johnson (but not Lazarus) also owned a number of sugar plantations in Louisiana (doubtless the source for the raw sugar that fed the refinery in NY). Conditions for the slaves on the plantations were said to be not the best, even by slave plantation standards. Johnson was also a member in good standing of NY society and was one of the founders of Chemical Bank. The sugar refining/distilling complex, which occupied 78 acres of Manhattan real estate, also included a dairy plant where sickly cows were fed the leftover distillery mash and produced a tainted product called “swill milk”, sort of the 19th century version of Chinese baby formula. Tammany Hall (the Dem. political machine that controlled NYC) was in on the action and paid to look the other way.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradish_Johnson

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @syonredux
  90. @Redneck farmer

    “A poem by a Jewish woman wanting to help fellow Jews escape persecution, is used to promote the importation of people who will persecute Jews. That’s something out of the Old Testament.”

    Or maybe The Onion.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  91. Lazarus was a disgusting communist witch, anti-white and anti-Christian.

    Her shitty poem reveals the plan for race replacement in a nutshell.

  92. And yet, as the right is ever-ready to point out, the poem has never reflected America’s actual laws.

    Point out (correctly). Lawyers and judges will also point this out, if you try and bring that junk into a courtroom.

  93. Jack D says:
    @jbwilson24

    Right , who ever heard of Latinos pushing drugs?

  94. Anon7 says:

    OT: Finally, somebody is taking it to those fecund Muslims in their own territory:

    Teen video app TikTok is the latest battlefield in the Kashmir conflict

    Hindu nationalists are flooding TikTok with videos declaring they plan to go to Kashmir, get married, and ostensibly make the majority-Muslim contested region Hindu.

    That’s where the search term “Kashmiri girls” comes in. Its use began to climb on July 28, as tensions began brewing between the Indian and Kashmiri governments. By the time communication was shut down in the region, it was spiking on Google Trends.

    Why? Hindu nationalists are using the term to suggest that since the law does not inhibit Indians from owning land in the region, it would be possible for men to marry Kashmiri girls and women—perhaps even against their will (unfortunately not unheard-of in some localities)—and become landowners. The endgame appears to be to turn the majority-Muslim region majority-Hindu.

    And it’s a surprisingly widespread phenomenon. Declarations of intent to marry Kashmiri women to “reclaim” the disputed region are popping up across a variety of social platforms, from Facebook to Twitter to the fast-growing TikTok…

    That thinking was further boosted by an Indian state minister, who said that single Muslim activists “should be happy as they can now get married to ‘gori’ Kashmiri girls,” using the term for “light-skinned” (India has long dealt with discrimination based on skin tone, with lighter skin being valued above darker skin).

  95. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    A little known fact is that the whole sugar refining/plantation business, which came to dominate the colonial era Caribbean and Brazil – which, of course, involved the importation of tens of millions of African slaves – relied upon the technical know-how of Sephardi agricultural/refining specialists, who knew the industry from the days of Arabic plantations.

    The English, of course, did not have a clue as to raise sugar cane, or as to extract, refine and purify the ‘white’ sugar which the customer wanted. Sugar cane never grew in Albion’s cold climes. Sephardim specialists had to teach them – and thus were a vital link in what was the 17th/18th century equivalent of the oil industry in terms of sheer lucre.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    , @kikz
  96. Anon[281] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Interesting manipulation in the latest poll:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-8-15

    They oversampled Democrats as usual to the tune of a good 12% higher than Republicans–patently obvious bias noticeable because when they’re asked what primary they’re voting in (in most states, you have to be registered as a voter with one party to vote in that party’s primary) the majority plan to vote Democrat. But it appears the white elites have realized that weasel-mouthed Kamala has zero chance, and they have dumped her, and they’re going all out for Warren. Warren has climbed 8% in three weeks for no particular reason to 20%, though she was in the 10% range for the last 3 months and showed no signs of budging any higher. Also odd is that Bernie’s support is down to 10% from 15% three weeks ago, despite the fact that Sanders was in second place for a long time, and his fans are pretty hardcore. I really doubt that’s accurate. It appears support is being taken away from Sanders, and a bit from Harris and Buttigieg and given to Warren by the poll-takers to fake her popularity

    A whole mass of poll questions are all about gun control, too. Obvious garbage poll and obvious garbage liberal bias.

  97. “We are a nation of laws, not of men.” – John Adams

    “We are a nation of poems, not of laws.” – Kamala et al.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/826145969750306816

  98. Bruno says:

    Ok. But then how do you interpret Ruth Badee Ginsburg having only 1 black clerks out of around 150 (years she went in the Supreme Court) while advocating for positive discrimination.

    Her husband in a documentary – a most famous tax lawyer – tells it clearly at the end : «  there is only « us » »

    But at the same time, there are those policies. So that’s where you see hypocrisy and maybe nefariousness in a Kevin McDonad way.

    So maybe it’s all a same package : the jews and the ethnic others. But I don’t know. I am still no clear with this question. .

  99. jb says:

    Just FYI, O. Henry wrote a short story, The Lady Higher Up, which made a pretty explicit association between the Statue of Liberty and immigration. From the text:

    “If you don’t mind my asking,” came the bell-like tones of the golden statue, “I’d like to know where you got that City Hall brogue. I didn’t know that Liberty was necessarily Irish.”

    “If ye’d studied the history of art in its foreign complications ye’d not need to ask,” replied the offshore statue. “If ye wasn’t so light-headed and giddy ye’d know that I was made by a Dago and presented to the American people on behalf of the French Government for the purpose of welcomin’ Irish immigrants into the Dutch city of New York. ‘Tis that I’ve been doing night and day since I was erected. Ye must know, Miss Diana, that ’tis with statues the same as with people — ’tis not their makers nor the purposes for which they were created that influence the operations of their tongues at all — it’s the associations with which they become associated, I’m telling ye.”

    This was published in July 1904, and I have no idea whether Emma Lazarus’ poem had anything to do with it, but the timing seems right.

  100. Ibound1 says:
    @Anonymous

    The South did not want cheap labor!
    The South wanted free labor!

  101. @Jack D

    I think you misunderstood/missed isteve’s question. He meant do you share your badthink with family and friends, and if yes, what is their reaction?

    • Agree: istevefan
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @SFG
  102. @Redneck farmer

    That’s something out of the Old Testament.

    Out of the Old Testament bloopers, perhaps ….

  103. istevefan says:

    Since tearing down old statues has become a new favorite, is there any chance we could get them to topple lady liberty?

  104. jsr says:

    Louis Adamic was a writer of socialist/labor propensities. He wrote a fairly famous book called “Dynamite…” on the history of blowing up capitalists.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  105. Jack D says:
    @William Badwhite

    Oh, oh, oh – I get it now. For the most part I don’t and to the extent that I do it is not well received.

    I have a few relatives who are fellow bad thinkers, especially my blood relatives who are all recent (post-Holocaust) immigrant descendants. Anyone who had any personal experience with Communism as it it came to Eastern Europe during and after the war is as deeply allergic to it and anything that even vaguely reeks of Leftism as any 1960s Castro refugee in Miami. (Some) Jews who are business rather than politically oriented are not fans of big government and high taxes any more than other business people are. There’s nothing like actual experience with Communism/Socialism to burn the Lefist idealism right out of you forever. OTOH, those who are involved in construction, what’s left of the garment business, etc. know full well the reality of how much it is based on immigrant labor nowadays.

    But my wife’s side is Ellis Island generation and are good liberal Democrats who toe the party line and faint in horror if I express any deviationist thoughts. For some (my late step-FIL’s family) liberal Democrat was a move to the right from their original Communism. Their frame of reference is escaping the Czar, not Stalin and Hitler. They make their living in academia, law, Hollywood, the press, non-profits, etc. and so are insulated from from commerce.

    I think there’s also something of a male/female divide with the females being further to the left.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  106. ATBOTL says:

    Emma Lazurus is an excellent example of a Jew pushing nationalism for me but not for thee.

    Here is another one from the Canadian Jewish News. Read this classic talmudic gibberish.

    LIEBLEIN: THERE’S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEWISH NATIONALISM AND ‘WHITE NATIONALISM’

    https://www.cjnews.com/perspectives/opinions/lieblein-theres-a-difference-between-jewish-nationalism-and-white-nationalism

    White nationalists and people sympathetic to white nationalism are increasingly complaining that they’re being treated unfairly. They don’t understand what’s wrong with wanting to secure a future for themselves and their children. They don’t understand what’s wrong with saying “It’s OK to be white.” They want to know why other groups – let’s say Jews – are allowed to have Jewish identities and (nominally) Jewish states, but they’re not allowed to have a “white identity movement” and a white “ethnostate.”

    Ask them to explain what “white identity” is, though, and they won’t be able to tell you.

    Intentionally or unintentionally, the “white identity movement” pays a striking lack of attention to defining what “whiteness” and “white identity” actually mean. Beyond preoccupations with “white genocide” and “replacement” through “mass immigration,” it is difficult to determine what the actual priorities of the “white identity movement” are, or how its existence benefits white people in any way.

    Oy veh, why are you so preoccupied with your own genocide and replacement, goy?

    By contrast, the question of “Who Is A Jew?” and discussions about Jewish identity centre around different expressions of culture, religion, history and tradition as much as the need to band together and fight external enemies. Indeed, you can find parallel conversations in every religious and ethnic community. Some of these debates lead nowhere, and some are even violent. But their presence indicates that the particular community is engaged in a process of self-definition – one that the “white identity movement” ignores.

    Classic pilpul.

    But more than that: the white identity movement’s refusal to define what, specifically, is positive about being white is what prevents it from being anything more than a hate movement.

    What utter nonsense.

  107. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Let me fix this for you so that it fits the now new vision…
    In reality, when Columbus came back for his second voyage, Torres and all the others he left behind were in business with the Indians, opening up a Sugar plantation that they were all share cropping when Columbus showed up along with his Nazi crew carrying from Africa a ship load of slaves and stole their business and land from them just when they were in the process of writing the Constitution of Israel and that’s why they aren’t the father of anything.
    It’s long winded but I think it works.

  108. ATBOTL says:
    @Anonymous

    If sugar cane had been grown in Spain for hundreds of years, I doubt no Spanish people knew how to do it. Does that make any sense?

  109. FiveJays says:
    @Anonymous

    At the least, we know that Emma’s Great-grandfather, Samuel Eleazer, and Great-great-grandfather, Eleazer Lazurus, owned slaves while in Kingston, Jamaica.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=smoVCgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA315&ots=qPqq27tT4C&dq=Isaac%20Mendes%20Seixas%20slaves&pg=PA235#v=snippet&q=lazarus&f=false

  110. In that photo of Emma, she looks like Jerry Seinfeld.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  111. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    Don’t forget from an artistic point of view the CBC’s the most beautiful flag in existence. The perfect proportions, the dynamic focal point of the X the colors, it’s perfect. Plus the racial memories of our wild Scot warlord ancestors.
    The Bonnie Blue? Pretty, that’s all.

    Second most beautiful flag in the world in terms of proportions and color, the Israeli flag.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  112. @Sean

    But that we had immigrants like that today: organizing themselves to return to their own country.

    • Replies: @Rapparee
  113. Can we also have a debate as to whether the “poem ” is actually any good?
    Spoiler alert: It’s pedantic garbage.

  114. anon[159] • Disclaimer says:
    @Billb

    ‘They thought I meant huddled masses of Chinese, Indians, Muslims and Africans? OMG NO! LMAO!”

  115. ATBOTL says:
    @istevefan

    Why were Jews so determined to live in England? Why the obsession with being any place white people are?

    There is lot’s of really intersting stuff on Wikipedia about this period.

    Look into this character:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menasseh_Ben_Israel

    …he turned his attention to England, whence the Jews had been expelled since 1290. He worked to get them permission to settle there again and thus hasten the Messiah’s coming.

    With the start of the Commonwealth, the question of the readmission of the Jews had found increased Puritan support, but it was often mooted under the growing desire for religious liberty. In addition, Messianic and other mystic hopes were then current in England. His book, The Hope of Israel, was first published in Amsterdam in Latin (Spes Israelis) and in Spanish (Esperança de Israel) in 1650.[4] The book was written in response to a 1648 letter from John Dury enquiring about Montezinos’ claims. In addition to reporting Montezinos’ accounts of Jews in the Americas, the book also expressed the hope that the Jews would return to England as a way of hastening the coming of the messiah. Menasseh also stresses his kinship with parliament, and explains himself as driven by amity for England rather than financial gain.[5] [note 1]

    here is some debate among historians concerning whether Menasseh’s motives for pursuing the readmission of the Jews by England were primarily political or religious. Ismar Schorsch, for example, has argued that the idea of England being a final place for Jews to inhabit in order to bring about the coming of the Messiah was hardly present in The Hope of Israel (1652), but rather was developed by Menasseh later (1656-57 when he was in London) in order to appeal to English Christians with Millenarian beliefs.[10] Henry Méchoulan, on the other hand, in his later in-depth detailed analysis of the book has striven to show that the Jewish messianic theme in it is also rather fundamental to its initial conception.[11] Steven Nadler, in his 2018 book, which is actually the last word on Menasseh’s biography to be published to date, has seemingly also closed the debate on this issue of Menasseh’s own messianic beliefs:

    “They [the sundry European Gentile Millenarians that were in contact with him] especially valued [Menasseh] as the Jewish expositor of a common [Jewish-Christian] Messianic vision, wherein the worldly empires will be swept away by a “Fifth Kingdom” [or Fifth Monarchy] ruled by a savior sent by God.”[12]

    So Nadler is claiming that the Christian Zionist strain in Protestantism was co-developed by Jews. He may be playing up the Jewish contribution to protect Ben Israel from charges of being insincere. But this shows, at the very least, these Puritan types were in contact with major Jewish political operators and being were being influenced by them.

    These Puritans made the puzzling argument that Jews should be brought to England to convert them. Presumably, they couldn’t have objected to doing the same for Muslims, Hindoos and Buddhists, especially if they anticipated a profit.

    • Replies: @istevefan
  116. …to further sully The South, Southrons, and the CSA by association to a bolshevik commie.

    The South and Southrons were more than happy to associate with Bolshevik commies when they teamed up to pass the Sixteenth Amendment. Which Emma’s NYSE Sephardic relatives probably weren’t too happy about.

    • Replies: @kikz
  117. SFG says:
    @William Badwhite

    My parents are pretty well converted but they live in NYC so it doesn’t really matter. (My mom was convinced the Dems had become ‘anti-white’, and my dad thinks there’s too much globalization and the middle of the country is being ignored. They both remember the pre-Giuliani era.)

    I’m friends with a (Jewish) guy from way back who’s a bigger deplorable than I am. He lives in another blue state I won’t identify.

    Other than that, I’ve tried to get people to move ground on immigration somewhat–focusing on effects on wages, etc. I like to think I’ve made one or two swing voters out of weak Democrats, but they could be humoring me. I know a few physicians, and I’m working on convincing them if the Dems pass socialized medicine they will be unable to pay their mortgages and/or send their kids to college. Hopefully they will keep their mouths shut and vote their pocketbooks in the quiet of the voting booth.

    TBH Trump’s demeanor is a very, very tough sell on college-educated liberals.

  118. She was from a Sephardic family, which is to say she didn’t speak Yiddish; she spoke English at home.

    “Her last name was Onion, which is to say she was a fine product of Current Year standards; she wrote like a retard , but still managed to keep her job as a staff writer for Slate”

  119. Anon55uu says:

    In 2002 the name of the sports teams at Somona State university in northern california was changed from cossacks to sea wolves. Which on both counts is a bit odd as cossacks as a phenomenon seem to have been far too nuanced to simply be representative of 19th century tsarist persecutions. And at the same time jack londons racial views seem to have been all over the place

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  120. @Paleo Liberal

    I am sure we all can think of other symbols being appropriated, such as the Cross of St Andrews in the battle flag of the Army of Virginia

    Confederate politicians assured Jewish supporters that this was merely a generic saltire, not a Christian symbol.

    Unless they were lying, or mistaken, that means the only state flag with a Christian cross is Hawaii’s, with three. Arguably Maryland’s, too.

    We searched YouTube for pieces celebrating Hawaii’s 60th anniversary of statehood next week. Couldn’t find any. But there were plenty like this:

  121. Lot says:
    @Anonymous

    Your antisemite hero King John may have been England’s worst monarch ever.

    1. Lost 80% of English holdings in France, including all of Normandy, while still draining England’s wealth and manpower in the course of losing.

    2. Lost the Barons’ War, I don’t think he had even ever recovered London when he died. Needed to turn to foreign mercenaries against his own people rebelling against his oppression.

    3. Also hated by the non-nobility, the villain of Robin Hood.

    4. “Kate Norgate, for example, argued that John’s downfall had been due not to his failure in war or strategy, but due to his ‘almost superhuman wickedness,’ whilst James Ramsay blamed John’s family background and his cruel personality for his downfall.”

  122. @Dave Pinsen

    Most poor immigrants from circa 1880-1920 settled in the North., the ex-Confederates weren’t looking for more cheap labor when they already had a large population of blacks that they were ready to exploit. This is why “white ethnics” were scarce in the South until the 1970s or so when large scale internal migration started in earnest to the Sun Belt. In the Old South, most whites were Protestant and had British Isles surnames (except for LA) because so few Great Wave Europeans settled in the Deep South. When you think of tradional Dixie and the southern drawl, you don’t conjure up images of Italian or Polish Catholics- that’s New York, New England, upper midwest, etc.

  123. SF says:
    @Anonymous

    King John was himself a Norman, great grandson of William the Conquerer. He probably didn’t speak much English.

  124. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    The South was pro free trade because they had the cheapest labor – slaves – so no one could undercut them on wages.

  125. @jsr

    Louis Adamic died by gunshot in the early 1950s in America. It was eventually ruled suicide, but many thought it was an assassination, with some pointing to the Stalin-Tito split as a possible cause. However, I didn’t have time to figure out which side in this split Adamic had come down in favor of and thus which opposing side would have had motivation to have him rubbed out Trotsky-style.

  126. SFG says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    ‘Rum, Romanism, and rebellion’ was the ‘acid, amnesty, and abortion’ of its day. You had Northern Catholic immigrants and Southerners on the same side against Midwesterners and Northern Protestants. Who was right and who was left? By our standards, hard to say.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  127. SFG says:
    @trelane

    Quite a few people have suggested Seinfeld may lean to the right.

  128. Dan Hayes says:
    @trelane

    trelane & SFG:

    Now I know why Seinfeld refuses to perform before college audiences; otherwise he’d be tarred, feathered and then run off campus!

  129. RJJCDA says:

    When people quote the poem to me to buttress an open-borders argument, I reply that Emma Lazarus was not America’s Founding Mother.

  130. Somebody set this trashy poem to music. Our high school chorus sang it many decades ago. I can still recall the melody.

  131. @the one they call Desanex

    Ok, Desanex, I gotta say here that of all the poems you’ve submitted, this one is the most recent.

  132. @flyingtiger

    Oh yes, the “right wing” Koch brothers, now dry-humping and swapping spit with Soros. They’ve always been globalists at heart, it’s just that now they took the mask off.

  133. Thomas says:
    @bob

    It’s certainly safe to say that no Zionist would support Israel being home to all the world’s “tired… poor… huddled masses yearning to breathe free… wretched refuse… homeless,” and “tempest-tost.”

    • Agree: kikz
  134. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    The Libertarian Party used the statue of Liberty for years as its symbol, as did, and still do a number of private businesses.

  135. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    A teen walked out with a $2 beer. The store clerk chased him down and shot him to death.

    https://beta.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/16/anwar-ghazali-dorian-harris-shoplifting-shooting-memphis/

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @Anonymous
  136. HA says:
    @Anonymous

    “King John violently expelled England’s Jewry in the middle ages.”

    The expulsion is cited by Botticini and Eckstein in their convincing refutation of the notion that Jews really didn’t enjoy moneylending but were forced into it by the anti-Semites around them (a notion that has been out of vogue in academia for a while, though it still persists in mainstream circles).

    In fact, moneylending was an immensely lucrative profession that Jews sought out, jealously coveted, and dispersed themselves widely in order to obtain, and as B&E note, in large swathes of Europe (e.g. France and Germany), it was pretty much the only thing they did, though they never held a monopoly, and always had to compete with Lombards and other groups for a slice of the moneylending alpha, despite the hate and resentment it engendered (and the steep kickbacks to local rulers needed in order to obtain permission to engage in it; B&E note that in parts of medieval Spain, moneylending kickbacks were about a quarter of the crown’s income).

    Of course, moneylending was widely condemned as corrupt and inhumane by Christians and Jews alike (and given some of the exorbitant rates that were charged, that opinion would apply today as well), but prior to the expulsion, Edward offered Jews several alternatives to moneylending, including engaging in contract agriculture. It didn’t work. The Jews stuck with moneylending, and for that reason they were eventually expelled. I don’t have a copy of B&E with me, but was able to find at least some related citation here and also here as well as in the first link.

    Interestingly, when a similar turn of events led to the expulsion of Jews in France under Louis the Pious (the expulsion, though not the causes that led to it, was widely cited after the fire in Paris’s Notre Dame cathedral), it was the Lombards who took over the moneylending, though eventually they, too, were kicked out. Apparently, as with drug dealers, some people clamor for the moneylenders’ business even as other people really, really hate them and want them gone. (The moneydealing Lombards were so despised that they were frequently depicted in medieval literature as disgusting, slime-trailing snails.)

    Remember that the next some someone wants to claim that the only reason the Jews were hated was because they were “Christ-killers”, or because people believed they had horns on their head, or whatever (claims I’ve seen repeatedly expressed, even on this site). In fact, the resentment was about as religiously motivated as Ireland’s Catholic/Protestant struggles (in other words, not really). It wasn’t always the moneylending per se that earned them hatred. Sometimes it was, for example, their participation in the medieval slavery, or the fact that (as in Tsarist Russia) most of them worked in the liquor industry, but as far as I can tell it wasn’t just about the imaginary horns on their heads.

    • Replies: @HA
  137. @El Dato

    the hope that they would help speed up the recovery of the country after the disruption of the Civil Wars.

    That’s a howler, even by WikiStandards.

    There was a longer-term motive for Cromwell’s decision to allow the Jews to return to England, and that was the hope that they would convert to Christianity and therefore hasten the Second Coming

    And no sooner do I say that, but they top it with an even bigger howler.

    Derek Hirst is also quoted in “Oliver Cromwell: Facts For Kids”

  138. gregor says:
    @El Dato

    Ron recently republished an Andrew Joyce article from 2012 wherein Joyce concludes that the 1881-1882 pogroms were largely a myth. Joyce relies heavily on the research of mainstream scholar John Doyle Klier. Grotesque reports of wanton rape and murder of Jews in Russia were spread widely in Western Europe and were successful in manipulating public sentiment, but British investigators found that the atrocity stories didn’t square with what they saw there on the ground.

    In January 1882, Consul-General Stanley objected to all of the details contained within reports published by The Times, mentioning in particular the unfounded “accounts of the violation of women.” He further stated that his own investigations revealed that there had been no incidences of rape during the Berezovka pogrom, that violence was rare, and that much of the disturbance was restricted to property damage. In relation to property damage in Odessa, Stanley estimated it to be around 20,000 rubles, and rejected outright the Jewish claim that damage amounted to over one million rubles.

    Vice-Consul Law, another independent investigator, reported that he had visited Kiev and Odessa, and could only conclude that “I should be disinclined to believe in any stories of women having been outraged in those towns.” Another investigator, Colonel Francis Maude, visited Warsaw and said that he could “not attach any importance” to atrocity reports emanating from that city. At Elizavetgrad, instead of whole streets being razed to the ground, it was discovered that a small hut had lost its roof. It was further discovered that very few Jews, if any, had been intentionally killed, though some died of injuries received in the riots.

    Joyce’s characterization of it is that there arose “anti-Jewish riots” as a result of ethnic conflict (largely economic) between the Jews and other groups, but that the most of the extreme reports of rape and violence were atrocity propaganda (lies), primarily designed to elicit sympathy and acceptance of Jewish refugees in the West.

    https://www.unz.com/article/myth-and-the-russian-pogroms/

    Joyce has another interesting article (which I believe is original historical research) regarding the Limerick “pogrom” of 1904, a better documented case that Joyce says is a good model from what occurred elsewhere.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/03/17/the-limerick-pogrom-creating-jewish-victimhood/

  139. bjondo says:
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    “the Statue of Liberty, not the Statue of Immigration.”

    Interesting.

    I’ve been saying exactly that for more than 25 years.

    Plus, no poem is needed.

    Just

    Statue of Liberty.

  140. bjondo says:
    @Alden

    Second most beautiful flag in the world in terms of proportions and color, the Israeli flag.

    You’ve earned yourself a lifetime pass to the

    “Cry Me A River Fork Over Your Money Museums”.

  141. Rapparee says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    Many poor whites migrated up North for better wages as well.

    Mr. Bobby Bare will back you up on that point.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  142. guest says:

    Aspirational = propagandical?

  143. So, that means the poem isn’t really about immigrants, it’s about refugees. It was written about Jewish refugees from anti-Semitic violence…

    I hadn’t realized that.

    I pointed out this fact back in an iSteve comment in 2016. The following is excerpted from that comment:

    “…it is quite clear that the poem intentionally re-purposes the statue from a celebration of freedom to a welcome specifically to Jews, announcing the USA as a new Jewish homeland. The original Colossus of Rhodes’ dedication poem starts referencing the sun, the brazenness of the statue, and waves. Lazarus gives us “brazen” and “sea-washed sunset gates”, establishing that her poem parallels the original Greek dedication.

    The original Colossus’ Greek dedication then talks about kindling the torch of freedom and independence, but does Lazarus give us a parallel freedom torch in her poem? No, her torch is simply a beacon to follow, rather like the pillar of fire that the Israelites followed to the promised land.

    Does the poem ask for the poor and huddle masses? Yes, but it also identifies the homeless, tempest-tost and calls the statue the Mother of Exiles… Were the poor of Europe homeless and exiled? No, but of course Jewish people were.

    The poem ends with the “golden door” to the USA. What is this golden door, this poem’s culmination, this strange imagery that we never notice because we stop paying attention after “breathe free”? I think given the propensity for religious imagery in 19th century America, we can say quite certainly that it is Jerusalem’s Gate of Mercy, which is also called the Golden Gate, one with Messianic importance for Jews.

    The imagery of the poem could be dismissed if it weren’t for the fact that Emma Lazarus was strongly concerned with the problem of Jews as eternal exiles and was a proponent of a Jewish homeland.

    The original Greek Colossus’ dedication ends saying that the sea and land belong to the descendants of Hercules (in the vein of “to us and our posterity”) while Lazarus’ dedication ends saying that the land should be populated by foreigners who enter through the שער הרחמים. It is quite clear that Lazarus intended her dedication to envision not a statue to celebrate the homeland of its natives but a statue to collect and create a new homeland for Jews.

    And that brings us to my major objection to the poem, which is not actually its art or its Zionism, but the way that, in acting as an intentional inversion of the original Greek dedication poem, it asks us to see the Statue of Liberty as a feminist, pacifist, “cuck” symbol.

    While the Greek dedication praises the people for crowning their city with the spoils of an enemy who attacked them, Lazarus poem begins with the double-entendre of “brazen”, suggesting the Greeks were shameless in celebrating their military victory. It then continues with the original complaint of “manspreading”, comparing the Colossus’ spread legs to the Greeks’ shameless military bravado, and saying that the USA would not have this masculine symbol, but instead “a mighty woman”, a “Mother”. And what will this mother do? Will she take care of us, her children? No, she’ll take care of the children of other nations, and we should praise her for it.

  144. guest says:

    Against white supremacism? Not really. But if she were against white supremacy, are we allowed to question whether her case against it was motivated by ethno-religious animus?

  145. Semi-OT:

    ‘This will be catastrophic’: Maine families face elder boom, worker shortage in preview of nation’s future:

    https://beta.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/this-will-be-catastrophic-maine-families-face-elder-boom-worker-shortage-in-preview-of-nations-future/2019/08/14/7cecafc6-bec1-11e9-b873-63ace636af08_story.html

    Quick, we’d better flood Maine and US America with filthy dindus from Somalia posthaste my good fellow!

  146. @SFG

    Northern Catholic immigrants and Southerners on the same side

    Not on Prohibition. Southerners were all for that, as long as it didn’t come with suffrage, like everywhere else.

    • Replies: @kikz
  147. Rapparee says:
    @International Jew

    I was impressed a while back looking at the official magazine of the Knights of Columbus- they were actually soliciting funds to help send Middle Eastern refugees back to the Middle East, now that war is no longer plaguing their hometowns.

  148. @Lot

    King John may have been a very bad king, but he didn’t expel the Jews from England. Did you agree with the rest of your anonymous interlocutor’s comment? He hardly wrote anything about King John, positive or negative, So hardly his “antisemite hero.”

    • Replies: @Lot
  149. HA says:
    @HA

    Sorry, the first link in my post should have been this.

  150. …the Casablanca era, a time of highly quotable, mass market, vaguely leftist schmaltz.

    Monsieur Rick may have been vaguely leftist himself. Renault said that in the Spanish Civil War (1936-39) Rick went to Spain to fight on the Republican/Loyalist side against the Nationalists/Rebels.

    (In other words, the commies against the fashies. There were a lot of US commies there, like the Abraham Lincoln brigade.)

  151. syonredux says:
    @Jack D

    Johnson (but not Lazarus) also owned a number of sugar plantations in Louisiana (doubtless the source for the raw sugar that fed the refinery in NY). Conditions for the slaves on the plantations were said to be not the best, even by slave plantation standards.

    Were they bad by sugar plantation* standards? If they were, they must have been truly hellish places…

    *The hierarchy of inhumanity on plantations went roughly like this:

    Best to Worst

    Tobacco

    Cotton

    Sugar

    • Replies: @Jack D
  152. @SFG

    TBH Trump’s demeanor is a very, very tough sell on college-educated liberals.

    All the more reason to have a bifurcated abortion/eugenics policy. “You want to have an abortion? Do you consider yourself a college educated liberal? You do? [Validity test] What do you think of Donald J. Trump? You despise him? Great, come right this way!” Alternatively, “You don’t consider yourself a liberal, and you think the President is steering the country slowly, slowly away from the iceberg? Great, let’s talk about the wonder of children, and your contribution to the web of life.”

  153. Louis Adamic was a Slovenian peasant who came to the U.S. at age 15 and got into leftwing activism. I’d never heard of him until now, so I doubt he was immensely influential

    I read one of his ethnic works in my high school years– though not in school, but from our town library. So in contrast I thought he was more important than he was. Indeed, this is the first time I’ve seen his name since then.

    What sticks in the memory is his discussion of the pronunciation of his name. It ends in “-itch”, but people kept saying “-ick”, so he stayed with that. He loved the fact that it was a legitimate adjective in English dictionaries.

  154. Lot says:
    @reiner Tor

    “Did you agree with the rest of your anonymous interlocutor’s comment?”

    No, almost every sentence is wrong in some way.

    John didn’t ”violently expel” the Jews so much as loot and bleed them dry over time. I think way too much is made of the episode: kings often looted and expelled their creditors. The Jews most often, but also Italian bankers and monastic orders. The total number in England at all was also tiny.

    Nor was Cromwell a “regicide.” First, Charles Stuart ceased to be a regis first by his actions of treason, and again when he was imprisoned. Second, Charles was executed under color of law after a trial.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  155. @SFG

    Even Adamic doesn’t appear to have had parentheses from his Wikipedia bio.

    Adamic’s personal life changed dramatically in 1927. At a party in Los Angeles he met Stella Sanders, the daughter of Austro-Hungarian jewish immigrants. […] By 1929, he and Stella were in love and Adamic believed that he could make a living as a writer. […] married in June 1931 […] Stella played an essential role in helping him to succeed. […] From the late 1920s through at least 1932, Stella heavily edited Louis’s work […] helped Louis promote the book by going on the radio with him. Unfortunately, not much exists about Stella’s life in Louis’s correspondences. Many of Adamic’s letters burned the night he died […] The two grew estranged after World War II and separated.

    (https://books.google.com/books?id=lkKZDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=%22he%20met%20Stella%20Sanders%22&f=false%5D

  156. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot

    I never cited him as a ‘hero’.
    I was merely trying to give a rough sketch of English history as it pertains to the Jewish settlement of England – that is, it pretty much vanished from the 1200s until the 1640s when they were invited back in at official behest.

    • Disagree: LondonBob
  157. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:

    A comment pertaining to Steve’s recent Taki Mag piece, which, oddly, doesn’t have a trailer and link on the blog:

    Apparently, the immigrationists are incensed that the Trump Administration has had the gall to invoke the ancient American prohibition of accepting those deemed to be ‘public charges’ for entry and settlement to the Republic.

    The logical and inevitable consequence of the immigrationists firmly held conviction is that every single alms entitled pauper on the planet – they number in the many billions – has the full carte blanche ‘right’ to enter and settle in the USA and can claim ‘public’ financial support.

    Of course, this will certainly mean every taxpaying American citizen being required to pay *well over* 100% of their earned income as tax. Apart from straightforward confiscation, this will be effected by Venezuelan style exponentially increasing hyper inflation to the extent which is ridiculous – more dollars than fundamental particles in the Universe. The ultimate end will be late Roman style monetary and currency collapse and the re emergence of the pre civilizational barter economy, with all that implies in terms of loss of economic utility and living standards.

  158. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Solzhenitsyn hated Jews but he was too useful in the Cold War, so this was casually overlooked. A bit like Lech Walesa – hero-worshipped in the British media, he praised IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands in 1981. The British media dealt with this awkwardness by not reporting it for the most part.

  159. @Anonymous

    Best way to reduce shoplifting.

  160. LondonBob says:
    @Anonymous

    Actually King John was a protector of the Jewish moneylenders. Embarrassingly large chunks of the original Magna Carta dealt with how English freemen didn’t have to pay debts to Jews, it was a traditional Jewish gentile conflict where the commonfolk and nobles United in common cause against a corrupt monarch protecting Jewish economic predatory behaviour.

  161. @SFG

    Don’t assume the battle lines were the same over 100 years ago. Jewish immigrants weren’t particularly left-wing until the huge influx of anti-Czarist refugees at the turn of the last century. There would be nothing bizarre about Jewish supporters of the Confederacy in that era. (Remember Judah P. Benjamin? David Levy Yulee? Lewis Charles Levin the Know-Nothing? Nah…) It’s not nuts Constance and Emma could have been friends, particularly as two women writing in an era when fewer did.

    They are one and the same in the long-run.

    The ‘refugees’ or the New Crowd have just been more harmful, corrosive and toxic to goyim.

    As for Judah Benjamin, I suspect he was looking at business interests. In South Africa, mining tycoon Sir Ernest Oppenheimer was also a ‘member’ the Anglican Church like Disraeli in England while his co-ethnics from mostly Eastern Europe like novelist Nadine Gordimer, politician Helen Suzeman (Gavronsky) and musician Johnny Clegg (Jewish mother) were fomenting subversion.

  162. Hibernian says:
    @Redneck farmer

    The fact that the Lord abandoned his people from the conversion of Constantine until Luther nailed the 95 theses to the door.

    The fact that salvation is by faith alone. (Based on a deliberate Latin to German mistranslation by Luther.)

    The fact of Calvinist predestinarianism. (Based on an inability to reconcile God’s sovereignty with his gift of free will to man. It’s a mystery, but mystery is for Papists.)

    The fact that the Reformation was a purely spiritual phenomenon. No sale of Church land at fire sale prices. No massive slaughter.

    With facts like these, you don’t need falsehoods.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  163. Hibernian says:
    @istevefan

    It appears that there’s a dispute and Wikipedia is far from alone in taking the position that Cromwell did readmit Jews to England.

  164. kikz says:
    @Redneck farmer

    its strategy is 3fold.
    it fouls the nest of the host
    promotes aliyah to reverse diaspora numbers
    continues/strengthens the persecution gig

    when things get too messy, hora on down to the nearest el al terminal and aliyah back to your OTHER COUNTRY. mission accomplished.

  165. kikz says:
    @Lot

    Gangs of NY Draft Riots anyone?…. 200+blacks killed…..

  166. Hibernian says:
    @Anon55uu

    A Russian reference would seem to be natural to Northern Cal since there were a few Russian settlements along with the Spanish ones, established before definite lines were drawn on the West Coast between Spanish, joint British/American (divided up between solely British and solely American in 1846) and Russian (Alaska) territory. (The last bought from the Czar by us in 1867.)

  167. @Charles Pewitt

    Why hasn’t Solzhenitsyn’s book Two Hundreds Years Together about Jew sovereignty-sapping subversion in Russia been more widely translated from the original Russian into dozens of different languages?

    Well, because it is …. boring?

    There are full translations in German, French, Italian, Spanish…I’ve seen also a complete Serbian translation.

    Complete English translation, online, is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/11FNFel27soj4Al5U1_u70wJgqsx0m0Uf/view or here: http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Solzhenitsyn-200-Years-Together-Encrypted.pdf

    Contrary to public pronouncements from here: https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/his-writings/large-works-and-novels/two-hundred-years-together – those are complete translations.

    Good luck in reading. You’ll need it.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  168. kikz says:
    @Anonymous

    “The English, of course, did not have a clue as to raise sugar cane, or as to extract, refine and purify the ‘white’ sugar which the customer wanted. Sugar cane never grew in Albion’s cold climes.”

    you sure about that claim?

    Jacques de Vitry writes here of the European Crusaders discovering sugar in the Jordan Valley in Syria. It seems fitting that the first time that the West came across sugar was during the Crusades, which began in 1096 and continued for nearly five centuries. The Crusaders set out on one expedition of power and enterprise in the name of religion, and before the end of it they had begun to transfer that same passion to a commercial commodity: sugar.

    The soldiers encountered many new products during the Crusades, but they soon realized the appeal and importance of sugar. As early as 1099 they were managing production in the conquered areas around Jerusalem, until 1187 when Saladin won the territory. There are still remains of one of these sites – the ‘sugar mills’ near Jericho. Sugar production expanded greatly during this period. The Knights of Malta planted the crop near Tripoli and in Acre. The Knights of St. John were successful manufacturers in Cyprus. And sugar cultivation also expanded across Sicily, Crete, and Rhodes, which all came under mostly Christian rule.

    The Crusaders’ sugar industry became increasingly important to the European Latin countries after the fall of the sugar trade with Syria during the wars. In a 1306 letter appealing to Pope Clement to revive the Crusades and reconquer the Holy Land, Marino Sanuto outlined a full plan of attack, with a special emphasis on sugar:
    http://www.wundoreditions.com/wundor-editions—sugar-in-the-holy-land.html

    • Replies: @Alden
  169. @Charon

    That’s a view of the second world war that if you’d outlined to me a decade ago I’d have said you were completely insane. But the passing of time is making that look more and more accurate.

    It’s like the truth is finally leaking out after over half a century of suppression. Jews were not just innocent civilian victims of the war, they were active influences and instigators all the way from Washington, through London, Germany and into Russia. In many many ways it was actually their war.

  170. @Lot

    Prior to the final expulsion of the Jews in the 1290s, the most well-known expression of anti-Jewish sentiment in 13th century England was probably among the followers of Simon de Montfort who killed some Jewish money-lenders (Simon himself expelled Jews from Leicester). Simon de Montfort’s movement is generally regarded as an early manifestation of English nationalism and an important step on the road to restricting royal power and establishing parliamentarism…so your insinuation that anti-Jewish views were somehow the preserve of tyrants and failures like King John is ahistorical, if in line with your general tendency to conflate “Anglo” and Jewish interests.

    • Replies: @Lot
  171. Jack D says:
    @syonredux

    From Johnson’s wiki:

    In 1863 the Union Army’s “Office of Negro Labor” was sent to Woodland to investigate conditions there. They found that on the plantation “great ill feeling and discontent” existed. The slaves begged to be given permission to enlist in the Union Army. They complained that their rations were “unfairly curtailed” by the overseer and that he was “lecherous toward their women”. After the inspectors had left, the overseer is said to have “harangued the Negroes, boasted of his unlimited power over them,”

    It’s hard to say how much of this is true. The “Office of Negro Labor” does not appear to have ever existed – the only mentions of it are in relation to this story. Southern Louisiana fell to the Union early in the war, before the Emancipation Proclamation, so even though it was Union territory the slaves were not yet legally free. OTOH, the Federal government was not sympathetic to slavery either.

    In Johnson’s obituary in the NY Times, his former slaves are portrayed as happy and carefree and unwilling to return to Liberia even after being offered free passage (the latter is probably true).

    The manor house of Woodland Plantation is depicted on the label of Southern Comfort.

  172. @SFG

    TBH Trump’s demeanor is a very, very tough sell on college-educated liberals.

    I get this to a certain extent – he’s brash and crude, etc. I have to admit that a certain part of his appeal to me is the vileness of the people he usually targets.

    That said, people complaining about Trump’s demeanor lose all credibility when they also in turn supported Hillary Clinton. The only possible defense for them is that they’ve never read or heard a single thing about her, and all they know is the name. I admit to not being intimately familiar with every aspect of various POTUS candidates from before say, Carter and Ford, but its hard for me to imagine a more transparently corrupt, bloodthirsty, unhealthy, dim-witted, and venal candidate than Hillary Clinton in the entire history of the US. For sheer awfulness as a human, she’s tough to beat.

    • Replies: @SFG
  173. @Rapparee

    And Steve Earle:

    My granddaddy was a miner
    But he finally saw the light
    He didn’t have much, just a beat-up truck
    And a dream about a better life
    Grandma cried when she waved goodbye
    Never heard such a lonesome sound
    Pretty soon the dirt road turned into
    Black-top Detroit City bound

    [Chorus]
    Down that Hillbilly Highway
    On that Hillbilly Highway
    That old Hillbilly Highway
    Goes on and on

  174. @Jack D

    “I guess you could say that such universalism is admirably unselfish but it is strange. ”

    Here we go again; Tdzak D will accept only some kind of tikkun-effin-olaming Messianic complex that explains admirably unselfish Jewltruism.

    No ulterior motives.

    No group evolutionary strategy.

    No monetary benefits.

  175. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    Your antisemite hero King John may have been England’s worst monarch ever.

    Anonymous got it wrong. It was Edward I, not John. So – in your view – is Edward I now England’s worst monarch ever?

    By the way, if you were a commoner in England, most all of the Plantagenets were “the worst monarch ever”.

    • Replies: @Lot
  176. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s a timely warning to African Americans about the terrible danger to them of the Democrats’ policy of massive, uncontrolled third world immigration.

    Southern blacks know and understand the character and behavior of southern whites. Of the various Asiatic groups, whom the Democrats wish to inundate America with, they no nothing. Inevitably, the Asiatics will become lords, masters, landlords, merchants, politicians, professionals etc ruling over southern blacks. By the time blacks realise what is going on, it will be too late to stop. However much southern blacks mistrust the local whites, they will come to rue the day the Asiatics took over.

    The upshot is that the Democrats – and their madcap Economist immigration agenda – are taking African Americans for fools. Useful as a vote farm – but expendable when they compete with the holy third worlders.

  177. Richard S says:
    @LondonBob

    “Encourage” is an example of “weasel words”, I think.

    Jews were permitted to practice their “religion” openly again under the Protectorate. Cromwell clarified to Menasseh Ben Israel the old anti-Jewish legislation would no longer be enforced.

    The historical reality is not up for discussion. Analysing the motivations behind and results of the historical actions is what’s at hand..

    British imperial rule brought Jews to every corner of the world, so thanks for that me ole’ Choyna…

    • Disagree: LondonBob
  178. Steve, financial traders will recognize an absolutely classic pennant pattern in that Ngram, suggesting ‘wretched refuse’ was setting up to either break out or break down in 2011. Given all that’s happened since, I must assume it has broken out.

  179. Vinteuil says:
    @Richard S

    “Jerusalem” remains to this day England’s unofficial national hymn, as opposed to God Save the King

    Sir Hubert Parry turned Blake’s strange poem into an indelible monument of British culture.

    If you can listen to that without a tear in your eye, you’re a better man than me.

    • Agree: Richard S
    • Replies: @Richard S
    , @Old Palo Altan
  180. It was radical even when it was first affixed to the monument: “Emma Lazarus’ poem ‘The New Colossus’ was a political statement written against white supremacist political efforts in her day …

    Emma Lazarus, and the people she wanted to help immigrate, were undoubtedly white. It is wrong to retcon the poem as a political statement against “white supremacy”.

  181. SFG says:
    @William Badwhite

    A certain amount of his appeal to me was how much he drove all the liberal scolds who surround me up the wall. 😉

    I didn’t support Hillary, but quite a few Bernie supporters passed on her as well. Most of Trump’s awfulness is calculated to annoy liberals, though–bragging about grabbing women down there, saying illegal immigrants are rapists, etc. Hillary is an opportunist, but also a strong woman, etc., so they go for that. Any politician is going to tailor their demeanor to their base and try to win people in the middle–if you actively annoy the opposition, that can be a good thing. (Depending on how many of them turn out, of course.) You don’t worry about what the vegans are going to think of your steak recipe.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  182. @Jack D

    But what is NOT understandable, at least to me, is the current displacement by American Jews of their affection for Jewish immigrants onto “immigrants” in general. Some of these immigrants (the Muslim ones) are not only indifferent to the Jews – they are actively hostile to them…

    I think it’s some kind of weird Freudian displacement. …
    more to stop the Holocaust, but they can’t so support for immigration is the next best thing, I guess.

    I guess you could say that such universalism is admirably unselfish but it is strange.

    Jack, your comment is banging around interestingly through Jewish psychological territory.

    But this idea that this Jewish “universalism” is “admirably unselfish” is just ridiculous.

    This stereotypical Jewish behavior–which is not really “universalism”, but rather “multiculturalism”, “anti-nationalism” or “balkanization” is clearly in Jews’ interest.

    It’s game theory 101. You’re a tribal middle man minority. Pentrating a weak, flabby, sloppy, “multicultural” empire is way easier than penetrating a confident cohesive nation. (As i’ve made the analogy before, the difference between banging a slut and virtuous girl.)

    Jews promote this same crap wherever they go. If they show up in naton X … “diversity is our strength”, “X has always been multicultural”, “Xness does not exist”, “we’re a nation of immigrants”.

    ~~

    This is simply not in the least the same actual “universalism” as the Christians dragging these babies home from Africa.

    Note, i hate those Christians. It’s Christian virtue signalling … preening with their righteousness while dumping black dysfunction on not just themselves but their neighbors and community. It’s just as bad as secular virtue signalling … and even more stupid. I want to bitch slap ’em–hard. Their bible addled brains are an embarrassment to white people and Western civilization.

    But … it is actual universalism. These idiots really are going to live with their black pets. And they actually believe that we’re all going to live happily ever after singing kumbaya.

    Not so with the Jews. Jews have no intention of living with, worshipping with, breeding with these Muslim or Latino immigrants. The only purpose of those immigrants is to further break and balkanize the white gentile nation … which so graciously admitted their Jewish ancestors and has treated them so well. Not “admirable”, but “rude” and “ungrateful”.

    The inability of Jews–such as yourself–to admit that this balkanizing behavior is not “unselfish” or “admirable” but simply a nation-breaking ideology in the interest of Jews/minorities, seems to be standard issue Jewish propaganda. But it’s intellectually vacuous.

    • Agree: Charon, kikz
    • Replies: @Richard S
    , @Jack D
  183. @Anonymous

    King John worked hand in glove with the Jews. It was the “Barons’ War” leading to the first Magna Carta, which specifically prohibited Jews from taking the inheritance of widows and heirs. The deal John had was the Jews would forclose, then sell the land/holdings to John below market value.

  184. Richard S says:
    @Vinteuil

    It is a truly stirring patriotic hymn, superior to God Save the [Monarch]. Even Land of Hope and Glory would make a better, truly national, anthem.

    Speaking of Elgar, from a purely personal viewpoint, Nimrod is what causes my eyes to mist up…

    • Replies: @Vinteuil
  185. Richard S says:
    @AnotherDad

    [BANG BANG BANG]

    That’s the sound of your hitting the nail squarely on the head…

  186. @Bardon Kaldian

    Is there a Russian author that is not difficult (boring) to read? I recall having to read Crime and Punishmnet in high school, it made Maugham’s Of Human Bondage a treat, by comparison.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Richard S
  187. @Hibernian

    If I recall correctly, Luther translation wasn’t the first, but is considered the best. A for a deliberate mistranslation, those criticizing him did not speak German, he had to teach them German. Luther held that common people could understand scripture as the word of God was unchanging. The Lutheran Church has long debated whether the tyranny of the pope has been replaced by the tyranny of man’s own reason, will, and emotion.

    BTW, there is no evidence that Luther actually nailed anything to the door.

  188. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    I really don’t see where Step 3… Profit is in this. How do Jews think they are going to benefit according to your version? It’s like Samson pulling down the pillars – you bring the temple down on your own head too.

    • Replies: @Richard S
  189. @Richard S

    I thought ‘Land of Hope and Glory’ (or whatever it’s correct name is) was England’s (as opposed to Britain’s) national anthem.

    • Replies: @Richard S
  190. Richard S says:
    @Emblematic

    No, there are no formal national anthems for the constituent nations in the “UK”.

    Informally (eg before rugby matches), the Scots sing “O Flower of Scotland”. But the English team sing “God Save the King/Queen”.

    It’s embarrassingly anachronistic, like everything associated with the soon-to-be-defunct London regime.

  191. Richard S says:
    @Jack D

    So why corrupt, undermine and subvert our societies when you can see how the future without us will look?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  192. @Curmudgeon

    I would disagree. Most Russian writers are highly readable; perhaps it is difference in culture or expectations from literature. For instance, I would never consider Chekhov’s short stories, Tolstoy’s “The Death of Ivan Ilych”, Turgenev’s “Mumu” or even Solzhenitsyn’s “Cancer Ward” boring.

    • Replies: @Anon
  193. Richard S says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Bulgakov and Zamyatin are fairly readable, in English translation. Dostoyevsky is nowhere near as unreasonably unreadable as Tolstoy, in my ill-informed opinion.

    And everyone seems to love Nabokov, the old perv.. 😉

    • Replies: @Jack D
  194. Jack D says:
    @Richard S

    I agree and that’s why I don’t think it is the motive. It may be the result, but it’s a very typical liberal/Leftist thing for your results to be much different (worse) than your intentions. But AD thinks that Jews are consciously trying to destroy American society because their zayda got blackballed at the LA Country Club.

    • Replies: @Richard S
  195. Jack D says:
    @Richard S

    Most of Nabokov’s well known work was originally written in English. Later when he became famous he went back and translated some of his older stuff from the Russian. So not much gets lost in translation. Also being a genius like Nabokov helps.

    • Replies: @Richard S
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  196. Richard S says:
    @Jack D

    but it’s a very typical liberal/Leftist thing for your results to be much different (worse) than your intentions.

    Lol, ain’t that the truth!

    I mean no personal disrespect to you as an individual, but it does seem to me this Jewish Wille zur Mach that we’ve all come to acknowledge isn’t based on any rational, conscious cost-benefit conception, but is rather the dialectical result of the Jewish mode of being among the “nations”.

    I would love to be wrong about that, but in terms of statistical probability, the number of Jewish thinkers whose work aimed at “deconstructing” Christian European norms does seem wildly disproportionate, given their relatively tiny numbers in our society. From the present day all the way back to St Paul…

  197. Richard S says:
    @Jack D

    I had no idea about that, is that right? When you think that most people couldn’t write a decent novel even in their mother-tongue, it really is extraordinary to be able to do it in a second language.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  198. Jack D says:
    @Richard S

    Nabokov learned English as a child so it was (another) mother tongue for him.If you see him on film his English is extremely fluent albeit with a slight unidentifiable accent.

  199. LA Smitty says:

    Emma Lazarus little known till WW2, he who controls the media and writes the history and controls the future.

    I was born in 1963, I recently noticed a new phrase being pushed, that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values which is kinda oxymoronic, and if you read the unamended Constitution, its kind of an anti-Judaism charter pretty much denying Jewish tyranny in trade, immigration and fiat currency as well as denying their multi-denomination religious control and using religion to control the state, there’s also the limits on the scope of the federal government and federal restraints on state powers being limited to things which dont infringe federal rights.

    At the time of our funding I think Jews controlled most of the European states as well as global trade (tobacco) and the global slave trade, including the cotton trade, the legacy of which is now in control of the Ukraine waging war with Capitalist Russia while trying to drag Ukraine into the now Communist and under total control of the EU, which itself is non-state imposing sovereignty denial on the body of EU states primarily for the benefit of apartment owners and public debt buyers.

    Islam is the new Communism, the EU their new territory and a refugee and migrant invasion is their ancient tool.

    [MORE]

  200. This article’s verbal contortionism was particularly pathetic.

    Perhaps Trump and his xenophobic crowd should begin to have more feasible ideas. Instead of a wall, why not a corridor to Canada, with free food and drinks along the way?

  201. kikz says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “The South and Southrons were more than happy to associate with Bolshevik commies when they teamed up to pass the Sixteenth Amendment. Which Emma’s NYSE Sephardic relatives probably weren’t too happy about.”

    And good on ‘em. From the 1820’s & on, the South had been raped by tariffs on its exports and imports, with all those funds collected, being’ illegally’ spent on Northern infrastructure, tyrant (RR legal eagle) Lincoln’s RR. It was about time, the Yankess got a taste of their own medicine.

    “For 72 years, Northern special interest groups used these protective tariffs to exploit the South for their own benefit.” “As early as the Revolutionary War, the South primarily produced cotton, rice, sugar, indigo and tobacco. The North purchased these raw materials and turned them into manufactured goods. By 1828, foreign manufactured goods faced high import taxes. Foreign raw materials, however, were free of tariffs.
    Thus the domestic manufacturing industries of the North benefited twice, once as the producers enjoying the protection of high manufacturing tariffs and once as consumers with a free raw materials market. The raw materials industries of the South were left to struggle against foreign competition.
    Because manufactured goods were not produced in the South, they had to either be imported or shipped down from the North. Either way, a large expense, be it shipping fees or the federal tariff, was added to the price of manufactured goods only for Southerners. Because importation was often cheaper than shipping from the North, the South paid most of the federal tariffs.
    Much of the tariff revenue collected from Southern consumers was used to build railroads and canals in the North. Between 1830 and 1850, 30,000 miles of track were laid. At their best, these tracks benefited the North. Many rail lines had no economic effect at all. Many of the schemes to lay track were simply a way to get government subsidies. Fraud and corruption were rampant.
    With most of the tariff revenue collected in the South and then spent in the North, the South rightly felt exploited. At the time, 90 percent of the federal government’s annual revenue came from these taxes on imports.”

    https://www.dailyprogress.com/opinion/columns/protective-tariffs-primary-cause-of-the-civil-war/article_63b77f5c-dc0c-11e2-8e99-001a4bcf6878.html

    “Financial requirements”… yeah… right…..sure.

    “The financial requirements of the Civil War prompted the first American income tax in 1861. At first, Congress placed a flat 3-percent tax on all incomes over $800 and later modified this principle to include a graduated tax. Congress repealed the income tax in 1872, but the concept did not disappear.
    After the Civil War, the growing industrial and financial markets of the eastern United States generally prospered. But the farmers of the south and west suffered from low prices for their farm products, while they were forced to pay high prices for manufactured goods. Throughout the 1860s, 1870s, and 1880s, farmers formed such political organizations as the Grange, the Greenback Party, the National Farmers’ Alliance, and the People’s (Populist) Party. All of these groups advocated many reforms (see the Interstate Commerce Act) considered radical for the times, including a graduated income tax.
    In 1894, as part of a high tariff bill, Congress enacted a 2-percent tax on income over $4,000. The tax was almost immediately struck down by a five-to-four decision of the Supreme Court, even though the Court had upheld the constitutionality of the Civil War tax as recently as 1881. Although farm organizations denounced the Court’s decision as a prime example of the alliance of government and business against the farmer, a general return of prosperity around the turn of the century softened the demand for reform. Democratic Party Platforms under the leadership of three-time Presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan, however, consistently included an income tax plank, and the progressive wing of the Republican Party also espoused the concept.
    In 1909 progressives in Congress again attached a provision for an income tax to a tariff bill. Conservatives, hoping to kill the idea for good, proposed a constitutional amendment enacting such a tax; they believed an amendment would never received ratification by three-fourths of the states. Much to their surprise, the amendment was ratified by one state legislature after another, and on February 25, 1913, with the certification by Secretary of State Philander C. Knox, the 16th amendment took effect. Yet in 1913, due to generous exemptions and deductions, less than 1 percent of the population paid income taxes at the rate of only 1 percent of net income.
    https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=57

  202. kikz says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Not on Prohibition. Southerners were all for that”

    prohibition? um… moonshiner’s…. hated revenuer’s…stockcar racing began as ‘shine runners’… ahahahahaha!

    and gee, Coastal MS had ‘liquor by the drink’ in the early 50’s.

    https://www.oxfordtreatment.com/substance-abuse/alcohol/history-of-prohibition-and-moonshine/

    “i say…….boy, you’re not from around here, are ya?” *Foghorn Legghorn*

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  203. @Jack D

    With regard to Nabokov, strongly disagree. Having read 5 of his novels & 4 non-fiction works, my opinion is: a minor writer with a major style. And I’m glad that I am not alone in this, Danilo Kiš’ verdict being “beautiful- but ultimately sterile”.

  204. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Russian writers are prolix but relatively comprehensible.

    (random ex. (in English): https://books.google.com/books?id=V74UDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA58#v=onepage&q&f=false )

    Americans are condensed but sometimes this makes their prose jumpy to the point of unintelligibility: https://books.google.com/books?id=B7QBDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA58#v=onepage&q&f=false

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  205. Dissident says:
    @Jack D

    But my wife’s side is Ellis Island generation and are good liberal Democrats who toe the party line and faint in horror if I express any deviationist thoughts.

    Have you ever tried pointing-out to them just how far the Democrat party of today has changed over even the past twenty years, let alone since the Ellis Island days? I wonder what the response would be.

    An interesting exercise would be to confront Goodthinkers with statements of support for restricting immigration from Democrats and Leftists, etc. A salient example is Paul Krugman, from as late as 2006:
    https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/03/27/notes-on-immigration/
    (The actual column was posted by someone here some time back.)

    I think there’s also something of a male/female divide with the females being further to the left.

    Hardly surprising. Kevin Michael Grace* is one of a number of dissident thinkers who have blamed, at least in large part, the mess we are in on what he calls “The Matriarchy”. It is not without good reason that John Derbyshire, among others, maintain that the franchise should never have been extended to the female sex. Women are simply far more creatures of emotion and whim than of reason and due deliberation.

    *Hear KMG on Luke Ford’s YouTube streams, audio archives of which can be found at:

  206. Dissident says:
    @SFG

    Most of Trump’s awfulness is calculated to annoy liberals, though–bragging about grabbing women down there,

    Was the “Grab ’em by the [genitalia]” line calculated to annoy anyone or even calculated at all? Wasn’t the lurid utterance-in-question made by Trump (a) when he didn’t realize he was being recorded and (b) long before he had announced his candidacy?

  207. Lot says:
    @German_reader

    Massacres of peaceful religious minorities isn’t tyrannical then? He also was defeated and died in battle.

    While I didn’t make the “tyrannical loser” claim you ascribed, S de M isn’t much of a counterexample.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  208. Vinteuil says:
    @Richard S

    The Nimrod variation must be the most powerful & deeply felt tribute that any man ever made to a friend.

    (11:14 – 14:40)

    • Agree: Richard S
  209. Alden says:
    @peterike

    Probably Hispanic Philippino Catholics. Public schools are affirmative action all the way.

  210. Alden says:
    @LondonBob

    But they did come to England after the 1655 conference. What Cromwell and his lawyers did was decide the ancient ban didn’t apply to all Jews forever. So Jews came.

    Motive ; the English government, from about 1600 to 1720 wanted Dutch jews because 1600 to 1720 was an English Dutch ongoing naval war fought all over the world for colonies and trade and commerce rights.

    The English government wanted Dutch jews so the Jews who remained in Netherlands would send information to Jews in England. In other words, spies. It worked.

    Then Dutch William overthrew James 2 and a year later the Jewish dominated Bank Of England was created.

    • Agree: Richard S
  211. Alden says:
    @kikz

    Thank you for the information

    • Replies: @kikz
  212. kikz says:
    @Alden

    alden… you’re very welcome 🙂

  213. @Anon

    Not Bellow’s best work. Anyway, he idolized Dostoevsky as the supreme writer.

  214. @kikz

    I was going by dates of ratification. The South led the way on both the 16th and 18th.

    Prof Clyde Wilson could explain the apparent contradiction– in his state, Prohibition was a conspiracy of the Baptists and the bootleggers.

  215. Lot says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Edward I was mean guy but fairly successful.

  216. @Lot

    Massacres of peaceful religious minorities isn’t tyrannical then? He also was defeated and died in battle.

    The US Congress disagrees with you (or at least used to) that Simon de Montfort is to be seen primarily as a tyrant:
    https://www.aoc.gov/art/relief-portrait-plaques-lawgivers/simon-de-montfort

  217. Mr. Anon says:

    Edward I was mean guy but fairly successful.

    Like Leo Durocher said…….

  218. @Vinteuil

    You’ve chosen a peculiarly inappropriate rendition of Parry’s sublime work to illustrate your point, but it is one with which I heartily agree nevertheless.
    Parry is the great English composer of the period, not Elgar, not Vaughan Williams.

    What makes Jerusalem so poignant (to me at least) is that Parry was a full-blooded part of the Continental (and particulalry German) musical tradition, who was crushed by the war. His partriotism is not in doubt, but neither is his profound realisation of just how disastrous for culture and civilisation this wretched war would turn out to be.

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