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Back in the previous decade, you could look up on the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics website a convenient graph in HTML form of “homicide offending” trends over time.

But the Obama Administration stopped maintaining that website (you can still find it here on Archive.com’s Wayback Machine). As of 2011 they made you look up the racial ratio in homicide offending rates in a less convenient PDF report. Here’s a screen capture of the homicide offending rates by race graph from that 2011 PDF:

Screenshot 2015-11-08 21.41.07

But in 2013, the Obama Administration’s Bureau of Justice Statistics dropped the homicide offending numbers from their latest homicide report in favor of only mentioning homicide victimization.

While that seems petty, it makes it easier for SJWs to fantasize about evil white men gunning down black baby bodies. And that matters more than knowing the numbers.

 
• Category: Race/Ethnicity • Tags: Crime, Homicide, Homicide Rate, Race, The Gap 
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  1. petty

    If only that was the worst thing you could say about Obama and his administration.

    • Replies: @wren
    @eah

    I was thinking that Trump could have done a funny skit on SNL with him playing Obama's caddy on the golf course.

    BTW, looks like the Obama Golf Counter has been down for a few months. Uh-oh.

    http://obamagolfcounter.com/

    , @Jason Roberts
    @eah

    True, but it is the best word to describe the Obama administration.

  2. I thought gapminder had disappeared after google bought their IP, but it seems they still exist. Just not working on my mobile right now. Lots of interesting things there, and perhaps an opportunity for Steve or a commenter to put up some important data.

    http://www.gapminder.org/world

  3. @eah
    petty

    If only that was the worst thing you could say about Obama and his administration.

    Replies: @wren, @Jason Roberts

    I was thinking that Trump could have done a funny skit on SNL with him playing Obama’s caddy on the golf course.

    BTW, looks like the Obama Golf Counter has been down for a few months. Uh-oh.

    http://obamagolfcounter.com/

  4. So what is last year that homicide rates by race are available?
    Does this mean homicide rates by race will be totally unavailable going forward?

    • Replies: @A.
    @Chang

    Everyone:

    The data used in the BJS report is available online here: http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezashr/asp/off_selection.asp
    By the way, the numbers are collected by the FBI from state and local law enforcement, and not through interviews of individuals as said below.

    You can run the crosstabs yourself and get updated numbers through 2013. For example, in 2013 there were apparently 1,137 black offender-white victim murders known to law enforcement.

  5. • Replies: @CJ
    @HHSIII

    The state of Missouri certainly has gotten its share of the vibrant this year. As for the university itself, what a fabulous opportunity to dump the football program ...

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @David In TN
    @HHSIII

    Back in the late 60's, you saw something like this every few weeks. This time the demand is for the university president to be fired. Back then it was usually "racism within the athletic department."

    Since the (white) coach is joining in, we have the humorous spectacle of a losing coach calling for the school president to resign.

    An irony that surely escapes the coach and his players.

    Replies: @Thea

    , @TB2
    @HHSIII

    He's quit. Illiterate feetsball players run our universities, ain't that America.

    Replies: @HHSIII

  6. And yet, both the race of the victim and the race of the offender are data points collected by the interviewers who collect the data. Perhaps the fed’s will stop these questions in future in order to avoid unpleasant hate facts.

    BTW, interviewers who collect these statistics are not federal employees but part-time contract employees answering to contracted firms.

  7. You’re doing the Lord’s work, Steve.

  8. Interesting to see from your last chart that the homicide rates for both blacks and whites started declining (peaking in the case of blacks) around 1990, but the drop-off is more pronounced among blacks than among whites since the rate is much higher to begin with. So the dramatic fall-off in crime since 1990 is largely a fall-off in crimes committed by blacks.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @tbraton

    "but the drop-off is more pronounced among blacks than among whites since the rate is much higher to begin with. So the dramatic fall-off in crime since 1990 is largely a fall-off in crimes committed by blacks."

    The drop in white homicide rates probably would have been fairly pronounced, too. Part of it is the graph has to be so broad to allow for the high black murder rate that the white graph is squeezed at the bottom, so even fairly significant changes aren't as obvious, but would be if it were only white murder rates.

    Even then it still may have been obvious on the graph, except for the other part of the problem - that the vast majority of Hispanics, for the purposes of crime, are counted as white, and the share of the population that is Hispanic has soared since 1990.

  9. Can’t this stuff be gotten via a Freedom of Information request?

    Why are not all govt stats held in a relational database form that can be extracted by anyone via a search query?

    • Replies: @carol
    @NickG

    They are. Race is an attribute in any system's Master Name index. My old company sold these kinds of systems, which collected report data and interfaced to state and federal databases. All relational for many years now.

    But it's been in the back of my mind, since I started reading iSteve, that they may try to suppress or even eliminate the race and ethnicity data. The only thing preventing it is the aversion to deep policy detail among SJW's and politicians in general.

  10. The Federal government is slowly limiting access to racial data because ‘There is no such thing as Race’, we are told, yet we are forced to answer the USGov’s Census upon pain of a hundred dollar fine?
    from a 2010 article.
    http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=6238

    U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., refused to fill out her own form because she felt the U.S. Census has been used to earmark minority groups for special reasons, including information that led to the Japanese internment during World War II.

    Several conservative and Hispanic advocacy groups have urged members to refuse to complete their forms, or have called for an all-out boycott of the count, citing privacy and confidentiality issues as a reason to object. Some groups have started a campaign urging residents to answer “American” in the line indicating race.

    Such concerns aren’t new. But individuals who try to duck the census — or willfully provide inaccurate information — are in legal jeopardy. It is mandatory for every U.S. citizen to complete the 2010 U.S. Census, said Census Bureau spokeswoman B.J. Welborn.

    “Every household is required to answer all 10 questions, according to Title 13 of the U.S. Code,” she said. “Those who turn in incomplete forms will either get a follow up by a U.S. census taker or a phone call.”

    And then to top it off the Federal government uses that Census data (obtained by their threat of force) to discriminate, based on Race, yet there is no such thing as Race.?No comprende?

    From Wikipedia “Race and Ethnicity in the US Census”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Census

    “The OMB states, “many federal programs are put into effect based on the race data obtained from the decennial census (i.e., promoting equal employment opportunities; assessing racial disparities in health and environmental risks). Race data are also critical for the basic research behind many policy decisions. States require these data to meet legislative redistricting requirements. The data are needed to monitor compliance with the Voting Rights Act by local jurisdictions”.

    “Data on ethnic groups are important for putting into effect a number of federal statutes (i.e., enforcing bilingual election rules under the Voting Rights Act; monitoring and enforcing equal employment opportunities under the Civil Rights Act). Data on Ethnic Groups are also needed by local governments to run programs and meet legislative requirements (i.e., identifying segments of the population who may not be receiving medical services under the Public Health Act; evaluating whether financial institutions are meeting the credit needs of minority populations under the Community Reinvestment Act).”[5]

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @conatus

    "The Federal government is slowly limiting access to racial data because ‘There is no such thing as Race’, we are told, yet we are forced to answer the USGov’s Census upon pain of a hundred dollar fine?"

    When we purchased our home we were required to enter our race and ethnicity on the mortgage application. The application informed us that if we chose not to do so, the loan officer was 'required to enter the information herself based on visual observation and surname.' (I took a picture of that damn part of the application, I was so offended.)

    I am as WASP as you can get. My wife is basically half WASP, half Scandinavian, and blonde.

    We marked black for race and Hispanic for ethnicity. The loan officer just chuckled. We got our loan. As long as it was us lying there was probably nothing she could do. Hell, they were probably grateful to us for boosting their minority lending rates.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Stan D Mute

  11. @eah
    petty

    If only that was the worst thing you could say about Obama and his administration.

    Replies: @wren, @Jason Roberts

    True, but it is the best word to describe the Obama administration.

  12. What is not recorded doesn’t exist.
    It is a way to erase the reality that does not correspond to the agenda.

  13. OT:

    Remember, Muslim immigrants cannot commit rape.

    Only white men can commit rape. When a Muslim immigrant gropes and kisses a woman unknown to him on the street it is cultural enrichment and vibrancy.

    EDIT: it appears she is wearing a “free hugs” sign. I guess that’s why this is ok.

  14. Still searching for WMD or whites of mass destruction to justify the War on Whites.

    Both the Iraq War and White War pushed by the same cabal.

  15. Not sure if there’s anything to this. Here’s FBI homicide offender stats from 2013. Note that there are data on Hispanics now.

    • Agree: International Jew
  16. Many defenders of the Second Amendment view much unlawful gun violence as localized to poorly managed domestic quarrels (often among whites) and intra-black gang quarrels over drug turf. Concealing worthwhile facts behind such violence does seem to make it easier for authoritarian social justice warriors to claim, well, maybe, whatever they want on the road to curbing another Constitutional liberty.

  17. President Trump will bring that statistic back, along with the forgotten years hopefully. Aren’t there dissident FBI people who can leak this stuff?

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    @Anonym

    do you really think he would do so? I doubt it

  18. I suppose the ratio has been increasing since 2008.

  19. It’s interesting that in the UK, two newspapers from different ends of the spectrum have this story today, on the front page of their sites:

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/09/teenage-girl-punches-elderly-woman-on-croydon-bus

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3309940/Shocking-CCTV-shows-moment-87-year-old-woman-punched-face-bus-confronted-teenagers-refused-buy-ticket.html

    I get the impression that in the US it would not be a story. It might be posted to YouTube, but not in the NYT.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Lothar

    When I clicked on the video in the dailymail link, I first got some kind of ad with a bunch of black people saying that we need to "change the definition of success". Indeed. Perhaps that new definition should include striking old ladies on buses.

  20. OT, but I am interested in Steve’s and our esteemed commenter’s takes on the goings-on at the University of Missouri.

    Apparently, there were some “racist” incidents recently and now there is an uproar over the “insufficient response” of the university president. One activist is now on a hunger strike and the black football players are “on strike”

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @MyNewUserName

    "One activist is now on a hunger strike and the black football players are “on strike”"

    The University President should tell them that the only reason they are there is to play football, and if they're not doing that then they should leave. It's not like they were recruited because they were star-students.

    , @Abe
    @MyNewUserName


    Apparently, there were some “racist” incidents recently and now there is an uproar over the “insufficient response” of the university president
     
    What what about the response of the most powerful University official- the head football coach?


    Seriously, in many universities coach is paid higher than the President, and the loss of revenues and possibly fines from the football team forfeiting the season will almost certainly cause the school to knuckle under. Not sure why the Mizzou President's response was "inappropriate". If you're a cishet white male of position I guess the appropriate response going forward to incidents of oppression is to immediately trigger into an epileptic fit where you soil your pants and smash your head forcefully into the ground enough times to at last cause minor concussion.

    And the absolute beauty is that this Two Minute Hate is brought to you by the jock-sniffing Council of Cishet Republican White Dads, without which college and increasingly high school football would not have its stranglehold and corrupting influence on higher ed. Also brought to you by the Council of Republican White Dads- "Richard Sherman Still Does More Endorsements than Tom Brady", and "Your Blonde Coed Spirit Squad Daughter Just Took the Midnight Train to Georgia".
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @MyNewUserName


    OT, but I am interested in Steve’s and our esteemed commenter’s takes on the goings-on at the University of Missouri.

     

    Tim Wolfe is not to be confused with Tom Wolfe.
  21. If only that was the worst thing you could say about Obama and his administration

    The Clintonbushobama administration.

    Which may get an extension. Or Two.

    Or three… President Malia! President Sasha!

    Who’ll meet with aging Prime Minister Sacha Trudeau at the Sachasummit.

  22. OT: A new campaign of manufactured outrage at the University of Missouri:

    University of Missouri Protests

    This whole thing appears to have begun with some alleged incidents – slurs yelled, swastikas drawn – the kind of incidents which are trivial in any event and which probably never happened at all. Has the eye of Soros turned upon Missou?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    ...incidents which are trivial in any event and which probably never happened at all
     
    Are you accusing the SJWs of being lazy? It's easy enough for them to fake one.

    Replies: @Stan D Mute

  23. OT

    BBC sends Nice Asian Lady reporter Manveen Rana to Turkey, to accompany Syrian refugees heading for Europe. They’ve got as far as Greece, and she shows the young man the photos of Aylan Kurdi, the drowned three year old who travelled in a similar rubberboat. Alas he fails to emote appropriately and goes way off message.

    I ask Abyan how it feels to see those images, and I’m surprised by his reaction.

    “For me, personally, I actually don’t care. It’s war, there’s people dying from thirst in Africa, there’s people dying in everywhere in the world. It’s the same.”

    “But you’re not moved by it at all?”

    “For me, personally, no …I only care about my family, I don’t care about other people”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06mv2ng – about 35 minutes into the mp3 download.
    Or here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0356m9b – episode 8 or possibly 7

    Also OT –

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/09/scientist-falsified-data-for-cancer-research-once-described-as-holy-grail-feds-say/?tid=article_nextstory

    “the revolutionary findings by Anil Potti and his team were first published in Nature Medicine, one of the most prestigious peer reviewed journals in the field, later in a host of other prestigious journals.

    Now, the Office of Research Integrity (ORI), the agency which investigates fraud in federally-funded medical research, has officially declared that the data generated by Potti was not only flawed, but “false.”

    The data were “altered” it said in a report published Monday in the Federal Register to produce the results desired by the researchers. False data were also submitted to obtain further grants for research, it concluded, citing a claim by Potti that 6 of 33 patients responded favorably to a test when only 4 patients were enrolled in the trial, none of them responding positively.”

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    @Anonymous Nephew

    No pathologic altruism gene in the non caucasoid population is there?

  24. @MyNewUserName
    OT, but I am interested in Steve's and our esteemed commenter's takes on the goings-on at the University of Missouri.

    Apparently, there were some "racist" incidents recently and now there is an uproar over the "insufficient response" of the university president. One activist is now on a hunger strike and the black football players are "on strike"

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Abe, @Reg Cæsar

    “One activist is now on a hunger strike and the black football players are “on strike””

    The University President should tell them that the only reason they are there is to play football, and if they’re not doing that then they should leave. It’s not like they were recruited because they were star-students.

  25. @Lothar
    It's interesting that in the UK, two newspapers from different ends of the spectrum have this story today, on the front page of their sites:

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/09/teenage-girl-punches-elderly-woman-on-croydon-bus

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3309940/Shocking-CCTV-shows-moment-87-year-old-woman-punched-face-bus-confronted-teenagers-refused-buy-ticket.html

    I get the impression that in the US it would not be a story. It might be posted to YouTube, but not in the NYT.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    When I clicked on the video in the dailymail link, I first got some kind of ad with a bunch of black people saying that we need to “change the definition of success”. Indeed. Perhaps that new definition should include striking old ladies on buses.

  26. Off topic, but I’ve started a petition for Obama to give Puerto Rico its independence. Needs 150 signatures even to be visible. You guys and gals can help by going here and signing.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/give-independence-puerto-rico-both-island-and-united-states-would-benefit-going-our-own-ways

  27. Data like that needs lots of explanation to be relevant.

    Otherwise people would draw the wrong conclusions.

    Here is the truth

    WHITE MALES rape the most (9,504) 65.0, and the only reasons BLACK MALES (4,811)32.9 would rape white women are because there are more whites but FBI data does not lie!

    Forcible rape by race https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/c…

    WHITE MALES rape more women, commit more crimes and rape CHILDREN even more!

    * Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race.

    * White inmates were nearly three times more likely to have victimized a child than black inmates.

    http://childprotection.lifetip…

    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/c…

    • Replies: @anon
    @Tiny Duck

    WHITE MALES rape the most (9,504) 65.0, and the only reasons BLACK MALES (4,811)32.9 would rape white women are because there are more whites but FBI data does not lie!

    So, whites rape about twice as many women as black males, but there are around five times as many whites in the country as blacks.

    Thanks for the help, Swiggy!

    By the way. Since the page you're linking to doesn't exist, does it say how many of those "whites" are actually Hispanics?

    * Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race.

    The people in this country are most likely to be white, roughly 70%.

    It's hilarious that you admit that it's surprising when whites actually commit a crime at a rate that's the same as their representation in the country.

    Replies: @WJ

  28. Before there was even a black citizen… An i mean able to even own his name and be recognized in this country. There where white people killing whites and everyone else. Have you all forgot about the wild west ( white on white ) The indian wars ( white on native americans ) who may i add was slaughtered. Oh lets not forget Gangs of new york. ( white on white) I’m not a racist. Humans are violent as a species. But if ur going to point out statistics or ur version of facts. Then lets tell the whole story. Yes other imagrants come to this country and they do well. But lets get one fact straight. Black americans arnt immigrants. We were forced here. No choice at all. An the same system that was built then still stands now. To be exact any place that whites are the dominate power the other race is set for failure. Lets name a few. All of africa…India…. Alaska… Of my favorite. The United States of America. Australia… The west Indies.. An so on. Everything white people have touched has turned to shit. Culture far older then any of us can imagine whipped out. So if ur statistics makes ur life easier than please enjoy them now . retribution will be delt during judgement day.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    Like Obama's dad was forced to come here?

    , @tbraton
    @Tiny Duck

    " Yes other imagrants come to this country and they do well. But lets get one fact straight. Black americans arnt immigrants. We were forced here. No choice at all. An the same system that was built then still stands now."

    So, I take it you are totally opposed to our allowing any immigrants from Africa today.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Tiny Duck


    Culture far older then any of us can imagine whipped out.
     
    I always whip out some culture when I'm around the ladies! Whooooa, ladies. Check out my cul-ture. I got me some cul-ture.
    And they sayz, yeah, boy, whip it out. We want to see it.
    Shit, boy, you got some oooooooold culture! Shanice, check out that culture boy just whipped out. Hell, Jazmin, boy got the old culture go! in'! on!
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Tiny Duck

    Verity, nicely written post. Ur on a football scholarship at Missouri, write ?

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Tiny Duck

    "Black americans arnt immigrants. We were forced here. No choice at all. An the same system that was built then still stands now."

    The first slave owner in the English colonies was a black man.

  29. OT: Saw this on the sidebar on that Daily Mail link (The picture of Christine Aguilera caught my attention) – The Breakthrough Science Prize:

    The Breakthrough Science Prize

    Apparently, Sergei Brin and Mark Zuckerberg have founded a science award that is handed out at an Oscars-like award ceremony decked out with celebrities. Because, after all, how serious can an award in physics or mathematics be if it isn’t handed out by Hillary Swank or Lana Del Rey or Phil Collins daughter? Maybe Brin and Zuckerberg just wanted to hobnob with young starlets. Maybe they’re shopping for new wives.

  30. @NickG
    Can't this stuff be gotten via a Freedom of Information request?

    Why are not all govt stats held in a relational database form that can be extracted by anyone via a search query?

    Replies: @carol

    They are. Race is an attribute in any system’s Master Name index. My old company sold these kinds of systems, which collected report data and interfaced to state and federal databases. All relational for many years now.

    But it’s been in the back of my mind, since I started reading iSteve, that they may try to suppress or even eliminate the race and ethnicity data. The only thing preventing it is the aversion to deep policy detail among SJW’s and politicians in general.

  31. @tbraton
    Interesting to see from your last chart that the homicide rates for both blacks and whites started declining (peaking in the case of blacks) around 1990, but the drop-off is more pronounced among blacks than among whites since the rate is much higher to begin with. So the dramatic fall-off in crime since 1990 is largely a fall-off in crimes committed by blacks.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    “but the drop-off is more pronounced among blacks than among whites since the rate is much higher to begin with. So the dramatic fall-off in crime since 1990 is largely a fall-off in crimes committed by blacks.”

    The drop in white homicide rates probably would have been fairly pronounced, too. Part of it is the graph has to be so broad to allow for the high black murder rate that the white graph is squeezed at the bottom, so even fairly significant changes aren’t as obvious, but would be if it were only white murder rates.

    Even then it still may have been obvious on the graph, except for the other part of the problem – that the vast majority of Hispanics, for the purposes of crime, are counted as white, and the share of the population that is Hispanic has soared since 1990.

  32. @conatus
    The Federal government is slowly limiting access to racial data because 'There is no such thing as Race', we are told, yet we are forced to answer the USGov's Census upon pain of a hundred dollar fine?
    from a 2010 article.
    http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=6238



    U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., refused to fill out her own form because she felt the U.S. Census has been used to earmark minority groups for special reasons, including information that led to the Japanese internment during World War II.

    Several conservative and Hispanic advocacy groups have urged members to refuse to complete their forms, or have called for an all-out boycott of the count, citing privacy and confidentiality issues as a reason to object. Some groups have started a campaign urging residents to answer “American” in the line indicating race.

    Such concerns aren’t new. But individuals who try to duck the census — or willfully provide inaccurate information — are in legal jeopardy. It is mandatory for every U.S. citizen to complete the 2010 U.S. Census, said Census Bureau spokeswoman B.J. Welborn.

    “Every household is required to answer all 10 questions, according to Title 13 of the U.S. Code,” she said. “Those who turn in incomplete forms will either get a follow up by a U.S. census taker or a phone call.”








    And then to top it off the Federal government uses that Census data (obtained by their threat of force) to discriminate, based on Race, yet there is no such thing as Race.?No comprende?

    From Wikipedia "Race and Ethnicity in the US Census"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Census

    "The OMB states, "many federal programs are put into effect based on the race data obtained from the decennial census (i.e., promoting equal employment opportunities; assessing racial disparities in health and environmental risks). Race data are also critical for the basic research behind many policy decisions. States require these data to meet legislative redistricting requirements. The data are needed to monitor compliance with the Voting Rights Act by local jurisdictions".

    "Data on ethnic groups are important for putting into effect a number of federal statutes (i.e., enforcing bilingual election rules under the Voting Rights Act; monitoring and enforcing equal employment opportunities under the Civil Rights Act). Data on Ethnic Groups are also needed by local governments to run programs and meet legislative requirements (i.e., identifying segments of the population who may not be receiving medical services under the Public Health Act; evaluating whether financial institutions are meeting the credit needs of minority populations under the Community Reinvestment Act)."[5]

    Replies: @Wilkey

    “The Federal government is slowly limiting access to racial data because ‘There is no such thing as Race’, we are told, yet we are forced to answer the USGov’s Census upon pain of a hundred dollar fine?”

    When we purchased our home we were required to enter our race and ethnicity on the mortgage application. The application informed us that if we chose not to do so, the loan officer was ‘required to enter the information herself based on visual observation and surname.’ (I took a picture of that damn part of the application, I was so offended.)

    I am as WASP as you can get. My wife is basically half WASP, half Scandinavian, and blonde.

    We marked black for race and Hispanic for ethnicity. The loan officer just chuckled. We got our loan. As long as it was us lying there was probably nothing she could do. Hell, they were probably grateful to us for boosting their minority lending rates.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Wilkey


    When we purchased our home we were required to enter our race and ethnicity on the mortgage application
     
    Was that the lender's policy, or the government's?

    Replies: @Wilkey

    , @Stan D Mute
    @Wilkey


    We marked black for race and Hispanic for ethnicity. The loan officer just chuckled. We got our loan. As long as it was us lying there was probably nothing she could do. Hell, they were probably grateful to us for boosting their minority lending rates.
     
    So I'm not the only one? Since my first Census decades ago, whenever asked my race I have said I am an African Pygmy. Somewhere in federal and state population data a lone Pygmy appears as a statistical anomaly.

    Replies: @Wilkey

  33. Interesting bloomberg article on the glories that Maine can attain by importing Somalis by an apparent WASP

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-09/maine-s-somalis-could-be-its-saviors

    Some nice quotes

    “In a 2011 survey, the most common reason they gave for the northward trek was to improve their quality of life — not just affordable housing, but safety, good schools, and the increased social control that came with living in a smaller community. Maine’s relatively generous welfare system also played a part — but other Somalis moved from states with more generous benefits.”

    “Lewiston’s director of economic and community development told the Boston Globe this summer that the unemployment rate among Somalis is only slightly higher than the state rate of 4.7 percent”

    Funny that he doesn’t quote exact figures…. Don’t worry though..
    ” But here’s some good news: Lewiston’s polyglot high school soccer team, with players like Abdi Shariff-Hassan, Maulid Abdow and Noralddin Othman, just won the State Soccer Finals. Go Blue Devils — and don’t leave Maine!”

  34. @HHSIII
    I figure this is right in your wheelhouse:

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/09/us/missouri-football-players-boycott-in-protest-of-university-president.html?smid=tw-share&referer=https://t.co/gvxYCI7TfX

    Replies: @CJ, @David In TN, @TB2

    The state of Missouri certainly has gotten its share of the vibrant this year. As for the university itself, what a fabulous opportunity to dump the football program …

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @CJ

    CJ sayid, "The state of Missouri certainly has gotten its share of the vibrant this year. As for the university itself, what a fabulous opportunity to dump the football program …"

    yeah, especially since the team is 4-5. These guys aren't going to the NFL.

    And $5 says the "hate crimes" being protested are fake. I can't remember the last time a white guy was stupid enough to do this kind of crap.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  35. Look into Mizzou, Steve. Everyone there has apparently gone insane.

  36. The SJW disease has reached terminal levels in Columbia, Missouri:

    The black members of the football team have boycotted playing and will forfeit the BYU game, BECAUSE
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2587163-black-missouri-football-players-boycotting-until-school-president-resigns

    Two random people allegedly said the “n-word” on campus, and the University president took 6 whole days to respond to a student’s facebook post
    http://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/higher_education/racial-climate-at-mu-a-timeline-of-incidents-to-date/article_0c96f986-84c6-11e5-a38f-2bd0aab0bf74.html

    AND he did not accede to their list of demands within 8 days
    http://www.columbiatribune.com/list-of-demands-from-concerned-student-group/pdf_345ad844-9f05-5479-9b64-e4b362b4e155.html

    We demand that the University of Missouri System President, Tim Wolfe, writes a handwritten 
    apology to the Concerned Student 1­9­5­0 demonstrators and holds a press conference in the 
    Mizzou Student Center reading the letter. In the letter and at the press conference, Tim Wolfe 
    must acknowledge his white male privilege, recognize that systems of oppression exist, and 
    provide a verbal commitment to fulfilling Concerned Student 1­9­5­0 demands. We want Tim 
    Wolfe to admit to his gross negligence, allowing his driver to hit one of the demonstrators, 
    consenting to the physical violence of bystanders, and lastly refusing to intervene when 
    Columbia Police Department used excessive force with demonstrators.  
      
    II. We demand the immediate removal of Tim Wolfe as UM system president. After his removal 
    a new amendment to UM system policies must be established to have all future UM system 
    president and Chancellor positions be selected by a collective of students, staff, and faculty of 
    diverse backgrounds.

    AND his car bumped one of the people standing in front of his car when they blockaded it during a parade 🙁

    http://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/in-homecoming-parade-racial-justice-advocates-take-different-paths/article_24c824da-6f77-11e5-958e-fb15c6375503.html

  37. @Mr. Anon
    OT: A new campaign of manufactured outrage at the University of Missouri:

    University of Missouri Protests

    This whole thing appears to have begun with some alleged incidents - slurs yelled, swastikas drawn - the kind of incidents which are trivial in any event and which probably never happened at all. Has the eye of Soros turned upon Missou?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …incidents which are trivial in any event and which probably never happened at all

    Are you accusing the SJWs of being lazy? It’s easy enough for them to fake one.

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
    @Reg Cæsar


    Are you accusing the SJWs of being lazy? It’s easy enough for them to fake one.
     
    A news report I read said the swastika was painted on a dorm wall in feces. I'm pretty sure I don't need to tell you what group is most associated with poo flinging and other fecal demonstrations..

    Sadly, even when proven a hoax, as these almost invariably are, it will make zero difference in terms of policy outcome. Here and in every case there will be a couple new staff positions at $100k plus each for "diversity counsellors" (advocates), the University President will prostrate himself in contrition (even more than he has already) or resign, and there will be even more special favoritism shown to Africans. It appears a whole new generation is getting wise to the Al Sharpton / Jesse Jackson shakedown racket. If you just disrupt things enough, whitey will toss piles of (other people's) money in your direction.
  38. @Wilkey
    @conatus

    "The Federal government is slowly limiting access to racial data because ‘There is no such thing as Race’, we are told, yet we are forced to answer the USGov’s Census upon pain of a hundred dollar fine?"

    When we purchased our home we were required to enter our race and ethnicity on the mortgage application. The application informed us that if we chose not to do so, the loan officer was 'required to enter the information herself based on visual observation and surname.' (I took a picture of that damn part of the application, I was so offended.)

    I am as WASP as you can get. My wife is basically half WASP, half Scandinavian, and blonde.

    We marked black for race and Hispanic for ethnicity. The loan officer just chuckled. We got our loan. As long as it was us lying there was probably nothing she could do. Hell, they were probably grateful to us for boosting their minority lending rates.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Stan D Mute

    When we purchased our home we were required to enter our race and ethnicity on the mortgage application

    Was that the lender’s policy, or the government’s?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well according to the application it was the government's rule.

  39. @Wilkey
    @conatus

    "The Federal government is slowly limiting access to racial data because ‘There is no such thing as Race’, we are told, yet we are forced to answer the USGov’s Census upon pain of a hundred dollar fine?"

    When we purchased our home we were required to enter our race and ethnicity on the mortgage application. The application informed us that if we chose not to do so, the loan officer was 'required to enter the information herself based on visual observation and surname.' (I took a picture of that damn part of the application, I was so offended.)

    I am as WASP as you can get. My wife is basically half WASP, half Scandinavian, and blonde.

    We marked black for race and Hispanic for ethnicity. The loan officer just chuckled. We got our loan. As long as it was us lying there was probably nothing she could do. Hell, they were probably grateful to us for boosting their minority lending rates.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Stan D Mute

    We marked black for race and Hispanic for ethnicity. The loan officer just chuckled. We got our loan. As long as it was us lying there was probably nothing she could do. Hell, they were probably grateful to us for boosting their minority lending rates.

    So I’m not the only one? Since my first Census decades ago, whenever asked my race I have said I am an African Pygmy. Somewhere in federal and state population data a lone Pygmy appears as a statistical anomaly.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Stan D Mute

    "So I’m not the only one? Since my first Census decades ago, whenever asked my race I have said I am an African Pygmy."

    I don't lie on the census. Those are the numbers on which the government bases hiring quotas, so lying only increases the number of minorities you have to hire. I do lie about my race on mortgage applications, etc. That counts towards their quotas, and thus reduces the number of unqualified minorities they actually have to serve.

  40. @MyNewUserName
    OT, but I am interested in Steve's and our esteemed commenter's takes on the goings-on at the University of Missouri.

    Apparently, there were some "racist" incidents recently and now there is an uproar over the "insufficient response" of the university president. One activist is now on a hunger strike and the black football players are "on strike"

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Abe, @Reg Cæsar

    Apparently, there were some “racist” incidents recently and now there is an uproar over the “insufficient response” of the university president

    What what about the response of the most powerful University official- the head football coach?

    Seriously, in many universities coach is paid higher than the President, and the loss of revenues and possibly fines from the football team forfeiting the season will almost certainly cause the school to knuckle under. Not sure why the Mizzou President’s response was “inappropriate”. If you’re a cishet white male of position I guess the appropriate response going forward to incidents of oppression is to immediately trigger into an epileptic fit where you soil your pants and smash your head forcefully into the ground enough times to at last cause minor concussion.

    And the absolute beauty is that this Two Minute Hate is brought to you by the jock-sniffing Council of Cishet Republican White Dads, without which college and increasingly high school football would not have its stranglehold and corrupting influence on higher ed. Also brought to you by the Council of Republican White Dads- “Richard Sherman Still Does More Endorsements than Tom Brady”, and “Your Blonde Coed Spirit Squad Daughter Just Took the Midnight Train to Georgia”.

  41. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    ...incidents which are trivial in any event and which probably never happened at all
     
    Are you accusing the SJWs of being lazy? It's easy enough for them to fake one.

    Replies: @Stan D Mute

    Are you accusing the SJWs of being lazy? It’s easy enough for them to fake one.

    A news report I read said the swastika was painted on a dorm wall in feces. I’m pretty sure I don’t need to tell you what group is most associated with poo flinging and other fecal demonstrations..

    Sadly, even when proven a hoax, as these almost invariably are, it will make zero difference in terms of policy outcome. Here and in every case there will be a couple new staff positions at $100k plus each for “diversity counsellors” (advocates), the University President will prostrate himself in contrition (even more than he has already) or resign, and there will be even more special favoritism shown to Africans. It appears a whole new generation is getting wise to the Al Sharpton / Jesse Jackson shakedown racket. If you just disrupt things enough, whitey will toss piles of (other people’s) money in your direction.

  42. @HHSIII
    I figure this is right in your wheelhouse:

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/09/us/missouri-football-players-boycott-in-protest-of-university-president.html?smid=tw-share&referer=https://t.co/gvxYCI7TfX

    Replies: @CJ, @David In TN, @TB2

    Back in the late 60’s, you saw something like this every few weeks. This time the demand is for the university president to be fired. Back then it was usually “racism within the athletic department.”

    Since the (white) coach is joining in, we have the humorous spectacle of a losing coach calling for the school president to resign.

    An irony that surely escapes the coach and his players.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @David In TN

    The president of Mizsou has resigned.

    Is this more from Soros? Or Obama? I don't get how this will help the democrats keep the White House. Missouri is a battle ground state with a lot of white voters. Are ordinary whites that far gone that they would side with these thugs?

  43. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    BBC sends Nice Asian Lady reporter Manveen Rana to Turkey, to accompany Syrian refugees heading for Europe. They've got as far as Greece, and she shows the young man the photos of Aylan Kurdi, the drowned three year old who travelled in a similar rubberboat. Alas he fails to emote appropriately and goes way off message.


    I ask Abyan how it feels to see those images, and I’m surprised by his reaction.

    “For me, personally, I actually don’t care. It’s war, there’s people dying from thirst in Africa, there’s people dying in everywhere in the world. It’s the same.”

    “But you’re not moved by it at all?”

    “For me, personally, no …I only care about my family, I don’t care about other people”
     

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06mv2ng - about 35 minutes into the mp3 download.
    Or here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0356m9b - episode 8 or possibly 7

    Also OT -

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/09/scientist-falsified-data-for-cancer-research-once-described-as-holy-grail-feds-say/?tid=article_nextstory

    "the revolutionary findings by Anil Potti and his team were first published in Nature Medicine, one of the most prestigious peer reviewed journals in the field, later in a host of other prestigious journals.

    Now, the Office of Research Integrity (ORI), the agency which investigates fraud in federally-funded medical research, has officially declared that the data generated by Potti was not only flawed, but “false.”

    The data were “altered” it said in a report published Monday in the Federal Register to produce the results desired by the researchers. False data were also submitted to obtain further grants for research, it concluded, citing a claim by Potti that 6 of 33 patients responded favorably to a test when only 4 patients were enrolled in the trial, none of them responding positively."

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    No pathologic altruism gene in the non caucasoid population is there?

  44. Destroying or concealing the data. It’s The New Thing.

    IIRC California has stopped reporting immigration holds in its jail booking logs. So citizens have less data to assess the impact of illegal immigration on their communities.

    Much as Gov. Brown deliberately stamped out the sunshine law regarding public employee union labor contracts.

    We have Top Men working on this. Top Men.

  45. BTW, the latest on U Missouri:
    HE RESIGNED.
    Wow.

  46. @CJ
    @HHSIII

    The state of Missouri certainly has gotten its share of the vibrant this year. As for the university itself, what a fabulous opportunity to dump the football program ...

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    CJ sayid, “The state of Missouri certainly has gotten its share of the vibrant this year. As for the university itself, what a fabulous opportunity to dump the football program …”

    yeah, especially since the team is 4-5. These guys aren’t going to the NFL.

    And $5 says the “hate crimes” being protested are fake. I can’t remember the last time a white guy was stupid enough to do this kind of crap.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jim Don Bob


    And $5 says the “hate crimes” being protested are fake.
     
    You lose. "Fake" hate crimes are real hate crimes-- directed the other way.

    Show me any definition of "hate crime" by which a hoax does not also qualify.
  47. According to Robert Muggah, the Canadian founder of the Igarapé Institute, 99% of violence in the United States is concentrated in 5% of street addresses.

    Let me repeat this: 99% OF VIOLENCE IN THE US IS CONCENTRATED IN 5% OF STREETS.

    Source: “Global Strategies to Reduce Violence by 50% in 30 Years: Findings from the Global Violence Reduction Conference 2014”.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @BostonTea


    According to Robert Muggah, the Canadian...
     
    ... most likely to get away with shooting a lion in Zimbabwe.
  48. @David In TN
    @HHSIII

    Back in the late 60's, you saw something like this every few weeks. This time the demand is for the university president to be fired. Back then it was usually "racism within the athletic department."

    Since the (white) coach is joining in, we have the humorous spectacle of a losing coach calling for the school president to resign.

    An irony that surely escapes the coach and his players.

    Replies: @Thea

    The president of Mizsou has resigned.

    Is this more from Soros? Or Obama? I don’t get how this will help the democrats keep the White House. Missouri is a battle ground state with a lot of white voters. Are ordinary whites that far gone that they would side with these thugs?

  49. At Mizzou, an “atmosphere of systemic racism” has resulted in a gay black student being voted student body president and homecoming king…. wait, what?

  50. @HHSIII
    I figure this is right in your wheelhouse:

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/09/us/missouri-football-players-boycott-in-protest-of-university-president.html?smid=tw-share&referer=https://t.co/gvxYCI7TfX

    Replies: @CJ, @David In TN, @TB2

    He’s quit. Illiterate feetsball players run our universities, ain’t that America.

    • Replies: @HHSIII
    @TB2

    Seems like Steve has this covered, and points out Mizzou ranks number 2 in athlete sexual assaults against women:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/111520/otl-missouri-had-second-highest-number-of-athletes-alleged-in-sex-assaults

  51. OT… This is a bit out there… I have been thinking that maybe one way forward maybe to re-brand the word racist and racism as something positive. Own it. Kind of like the homosexuals took back ‘faggot’. Racism is an “ism”, like idealism, environmentalism, pacifism, Communism, socialism, libertarianism, etc. Racism as a good thing. E.g. calmly, matter of factly ‘the benefit of racist policies would be x y and z’ or ‘a racist government would actually look after its citizens unlike…’ or ‘racism – a philosophy whose time has come!’

    If used in comment sections and the like it would have an unnerving power to disarm one of the most potent weapons of the left, the ability to point and say ‘racist’ and have the race realist or citizenist or alt-righter cower and say ‘anything but that! Please, take my money!’.

    I know it has been done before somewhat (e.g. ‘if such and such and such and such, then I am a racist!)’ but I don’t think in this way. In comment sections we have the left on the run, they are being routed. The Overton window is being shifted big time. Everywhere I look, be it Breitbart or some random blog, NYT comments, wherever, Overton is shifting day by day. What would have invoked the ‘you are a racistnazikkkwanttokill6mjews’ response goes unanswered. And the comments I talk about have nothing to do with antisemitism. It is quite hilarious, even tear jerking articles that would formerly have brought out the hankies and the green arrows for the leftist party line only 2 years ago do not sway the commentariat, or those who up vote. Now everywhere you can read about how traitors such as Blair, Brown and Merkel should be hung as traitors. It is fantastic!

    The White comment reading and writing world is turning a kind of Semitically-neutral fascist. The empathy is drying up. Leapfrogging altruism is being abandoned. Most humans don’t do rate changes or long term thinking, what feels to them like the creaking of the glaciers to a changing climate is actually burning up on a human historical scale. 2 years? 10? It’s nothing! Merkel has inadvertently created her own ‘problem reaction solution’ social engineering works, a footgun of massive scale that is set to blow up in her own wretched cat lady face, a massive catalyst.

    Maybe we should be out in person doing something instead of sitting back on our pimply behinds, but if you think that influential people don’t read comment sections you are kidding yourself. It is definitely having an impact. And that change in thinking is translating itself into political action.

    What is kind of sad that if we could have been a bit more Japan-like about the whole thing, we could have maintained our empathy somewhat. It was not necessary to destroy our countries in this way through immigration.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Anonym

    One more comment... if iSteve and the comments weren't influential, why would Steve's choice of music video clip earlier be used, I forget where, but definitely MSM... it was noticed a few days ago. It may not be plagiarism be an unoriginal mind. It may be a subtle shout-out. A wink.

  52. @MyNewUserName
    OT, but I am interested in Steve's and our esteemed commenter's takes on the goings-on at the University of Missouri.

    Apparently, there were some "racist" incidents recently and now there is an uproar over the "insufficient response" of the university president. One activist is now on a hunger strike and the black football players are "on strike"

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Abe, @Reg Cæsar

    OT, but I am interested in Steve’s and our esteemed commenter’s takes on the goings-on at the University of Missouri.

    Tim Wolfe is not to be confused with Tom Wolfe.

  53. @Jim Don Bob
    @CJ

    CJ sayid, "The state of Missouri certainly has gotten its share of the vibrant this year. As for the university itself, what a fabulous opportunity to dump the football program …"

    yeah, especially since the team is 4-5. These guys aren't going to the NFL.

    And $5 says the "hate crimes" being protested are fake. I can't remember the last time a white guy was stupid enough to do this kind of crap.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    And $5 says the “hate crimes” being protested are fake.

    You lose. “Fake” hate crimes are real hate crimes– directed the other way.

    Show me any definition of “hate crime” by which a hoax does not also qualify.

  54. @BostonTea
    According to Robert Muggah, the Canadian founder of the Igarapé Institute, 99% of violence in the United States is concentrated in 5% of street addresses.

    Let me repeat this: 99% OF VIOLENCE IN THE US IS CONCENTRATED IN 5% OF STREETS.

    Source: "Global Strategies to Reduce Violence by 50% in 30 Years: Findings from the Global Violence Reduction Conference 2014".

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    According to Robert Muggah, the Canadian…

    … most likely to get away with shooting a lion in Zimbabwe.

  55. Every once in a while, we come back to Lenin’s question, What Is To Be Done.

    1. The college diploma has become the general-purpose employment qualification, largely because intelligence testing is RACIST but somehow requiring a college diploma is not.

    2. The colleges have gone stark raving mad, and they inculcate their madness in their students and graduates. Those graduates do go out into the great wide world from time to time, and infect the wider world. Bruce Caitlyn JEnner didn’t put oneself on the cover of Vanity FAir.

    3. College has become hugely expensive.

    Steve, you have a readership. Including some number of Thinkfluencers(TM) who would never admit to reading you. So this is a good place to incubate a new policy meme.

    To solve the College Problems (student loans, liberal bias, millenial whining, w/ev), we need to apply the Griggs vs Duke Power standard to employers who require college diplomas for hiring. Meanwhile carving out an exemption to Griggs v Duke Power for blind-scored, written testing.

    • Replies: @LL
    @Discordiax

    Proposed solution:

    Form a new college. Admission is open to all, and here's how the GPA is determined:

    GPA = IQ, tested by licensed psychologists, and then converted to a publicly available 4.0 scale, such that

    1.0 = IQ < 90
    2.0 = 90 <= IQ <= 100
    3.0 = 100 <= IQ <= 115
    4.0 = 115 < IQ

    + cum laude = IQ > 130
    + summa cum laude = IQ > 145
    + magna cum laude = IQ > 160

    and that's it. No classes, no other tests.

    Call it Bell University

    , @AndrewR
    @Discordiax

    It's not viewed as racist since college admission and academic standards have been so watered down that even someone like Rachel Jeantel could probably graduate with a bachelor's from somewhere.

    Replies: @Discordiax

  56. @Tiny Duck
    Before there was even a black citizen… An i mean able to even own his name and be recognized in this country. There where white people killing whites and everyone else. Have you all forgot about the wild west ( white on white ) The indian wars ( white on native americans ) who may i add was slaughtered. Oh lets not forget Gangs of new york. ( white on white) I’m not a racist. Humans are violent as a species. But if ur going to point out statistics or ur version of facts. Then lets tell the whole story. Yes other imagrants come to this country and they do well. But lets get one fact straight. Black americans arnt immigrants. We were forced here. No choice at all. An the same system that was built then still stands now. To be exact any place that whites are the dominate power the other race is set for failure. Lets name a few. All of africa…India…. Alaska… Of my favorite. The United States of America. Australia… The west Indies.. An so on. Everything white people have touched has turned to shit. Culture far older then any of us can imagine whipped out. So if ur statistics makes ur life easier than please enjoy them now . retribution will be delt during judgement day.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @tbraton, @Chrisnonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Mr. Anon

    Like Obama’s dad was forced to come here?

  57. @Anonym
    OT... This is a bit out there... I have been thinking that maybe one way forward maybe to re-brand the word racist and racism as something positive. Own it. Kind of like the homosexuals took back 'faggot'. Racism is an "ism", like idealism, environmentalism, pacifism, Communism, socialism, libertarianism, etc. Racism as a good thing. E.g. calmly, matter of factly 'the benefit of racist policies would be x y and z' or 'a racist government would actually look after its citizens unlike...' or 'racism - a philosophy whose time has come!'

    If used in comment sections and the like it would have an unnerving power to disarm one of the most potent weapons of the left, the ability to point and say 'racist' and have the race realist or citizenist or alt-righter cower and say 'anything but that! Please, take my money!'.

    I know it has been done before somewhat (e.g. 'if such and such and such and such, then I am a racist!)' but I don't think in this way. In comment sections we have the left on the run, they are being routed. The Overton window is being shifted big time. Everywhere I look, be it Breitbart or some random blog, NYT comments, wherever, Overton is shifting day by day. What would have invoked the 'you are a racistnazikkkwanttokill6mjews' response goes unanswered. And the comments I talk about have nothing to do with antisemitism. It is quite hilarious, even tear jerking articles that would formerly have brought out the hankies and the green arrows for the leftist party line only 2 years ago do not sway the commentariat, or those who up vote. Now everywhere you can read about how traitors such as Blair, Brown and Merkel should be hung as traitors. It is fantastic!

    The White comment reading and writing world is turning a kind of Semitically-neutral fascist. The empathy is drying up. Leapfrogging altruism is being abandoned. Most humans don't do rate changes or long term thinking, what feels to them like the creaking of the glaciers to a changing climate is actually burning up on a human historical scale. 2 years? 10? It's nothing! Merkel has inadvertently created her own 'problem reaction solution' social engineering works, a footgun of massive scale that is set to blow up in her own wretched cat lady face, a massive catalyst.

    Maybe we should be out in person doing something instead of sitting back on our pimply behinds, but if you think that influential people don't read comment sections you are kidding yourself. It is definitely having an impact. And that change in thinking is translating itself into political action.

    What is kind of sad that if we could have been a bit more Japan-like about the whole thing, we could have maintained our empathy somewhat. It was not necessary to destroy our countries in this way through immigration.

    Replies: @Anonym

    One more comment… if iSteve and the comments weren’t influential, why would Steve’s choice of music video clip earlier be used, I forget where, but definitely MSM… it was noticed a few days ago. It may not be plagiarism be an unoriginal mind. It may be a subtle shout-out. A wink.

  58. @Discordiax
    Every once in a while, we come back to Lenin's question, What Is To Be Done.

    1. The college diploma has become the general-purpose employment qualification, largely because intelligence testing is RACIST but somehow requiring a college diploma is not.

    2. The colleges have gone stark raving mad, and they inculcate their madness in their students and graduates. Those graduates do go out into the great wide world from time to time, and infect the wider world. Bruce Caitlyn JEnner didn't put oneself on the cover of Vanity FAir.

    3. College has become hugely expensive.

    Steve, you have a readership. Including some number of Thinkfluencers(TM) who would never admit to reading you. So this is a good place to incubate a new policy meme.

    To solve the College Problems (student loans, liberal bias, millenial whining, w/ev), we need to apply the Griggs vs Duke Power standard to employers who require college diplomas for hiring. Meanwhile carving out an exemption to Griggs v Duke Power for blind-scored, written testing.

    Replies: @LL, @AndrewR

    Proposed solution:

    Form a new college. Admission is open to all, and here’s how the GPA is determined:

    GPA = IQ, tested by licensed psychologists, and then converted to a publicly available 4.0 scale, such that

    1.0 = IQ < 90
    2.0 = 90 <= IQ <= 100
    3.0 = 100 <= IQ <= 115
    4.0 = 115 < IQ

    + cum laude = IQ > 130
    + summa cum laude = IQ > 145
    + magna cum laude = IQ > 160

    and that’s it. No classes, no other tests.

    Call it Bell University

  59. @Discordiax
    Every once in a while, we come back to Lenin's question, What Is To Be Done.

    1. The college diploma has become the general-purpose employment qualification, largely because intelligence testing is RACIST but somehow requiring a college diploma is not.

    2. The colleges have gone stark raving mad, and they inculcate their madness in their students and graduates. Those graduates do go out into the great wide world from time to time, and infect the wider world. Bruce Caitlyn JEnner didn't put oneself on the cover of Vanity FAir.

    3. College has become hugely expensive.

    Steve, you have a readership. Including some number of Thinkfluencers(TM) who would never admit to reading you. So this is a good place to incubate a new policy meme.

    To solve the College Problems (student loans, liberal bias, millenial whining, w/ev), we need to apply the Griggs vs Duke Power standard to employers who require college diplomas for hiring. Meanwhile carving out an exemption to Griggs v Duke Power for blind-scored, written testing.

    Replies: @LL, @AndrewR

    It’s not viewed as racist since college admission and academic standards have been so watered down that even someone like Rachel Jeantel could probably graduate with a bachelor’s from somewhere.

    • Replies: @Discordiax
    @AndrewR

    Well, lately, requiring applicants to disclose convictions has moved towards being Disparate Impact, so I think it's fair to ask why finishing a bachelor's degree is not.

    " In 2013, about 40 percent of whites between the ages of 25 and 29 had a bachelor’s degree or more, compared to about 20 percent of blacks, 15 percent of Hispanics and 58 percent of Asians, according to data from the Current Population Survey.1" http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/

  60. @Anonym
    President Trump will bring that statistic back, along with the forgotten years hopefully. Aren't there dissident FBI people who can leak this stuff?

    Replies: @Erik Sieven

    do you really think he would do so? I doubt it

  61. Yep. Don’t like what the data tells you. Just stop collecting the data or change the categories.

    A good example is the Consumer Price Index. It does not include groceries or gasoline, because nobody buys them, but it does include house prices because everybody buys at least two or three houses each year. </sarc.

    Don't want the proles to know the Hispanic crime rate, just lump the Hispanics in with the Whites! The bonus is that this makes the Black crime rate look better.

    Numbers are wonderful things, especially when you control them.

  62. @TB2
    @HHSIII

    He's quit. Illiterate feetsball players run our universities, ain't that America.

    Replies: @HHSIII

    Seems like Steve has this covered, and points out Mizzou ranks number 2 in athlete sexual assaults against women:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/111520/otl-missouri-had-second-highest-number-of-athletes-alleged-in-sex-assaults

  63. It was already a classic, when I was assigned to read it, over thirty-five years ago, at Purdue:

    My sister’s step-daughter has a used copy, now lying around her father’s house, somewhere, from her own undergraduate studies, just a few years ago, at a prestigious Northeastern university.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @D. K.

    Yes, Huff's book "How to Lie with Statistics" is well worth reading. I encourage young adults to read that one along with "The Elements of Style" by Strunk and White and "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker.

  64. @Tiny Duck
    Before there was even a black citizen… An i mean able to even own his name and be recognized in this country. There where white people killing whites and everyone else. Have you all forgot about the wild west ( white on white ) The indian wars ( white on native americans ) who may i add was slaughtered. Oh lets not forget Gangs of new york. ( white on white) I’m not a racist. Humans are violent as a species. But if ur going to point out statistics or ur version of facts. Then lets tell the whole story. Yes other imagrants come to this country and they do well. But lets get one fact straight. Black americans arnt immigrants. We were forced here. No choice at all. An the same system that was built then still stands now. To be exact any place that whites are the dominate power the other race is set for failure. Lets name a few. All of africa…India…. Alaska… Of my favorite. The United States of America. Australia… The west Indies.. An so on. Everything white people have touched has turned to shit. Culture far older then any of us can imagine whipped out. So if ur statistics makes ur life easier than please enjoy them now . retribution will be delt during judgement day.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @tbraton, @Chrisnonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Mr. Anon

    ” Yes other imagrants come to this country and they do well. But lets get one fact straight. Black americans arnt immigrants. We were forced here. No choice at all. An the same system that was built then still stands now.”

    So, I take it you are totally opposed to our allowing any immigrants from Africa today.

  65. @AndrewR
    @Discordiax

    It's not viewed as racist since college admission and academic standards have been so watered down that even someone like Rachel Jeantel could probably graduate with a bachelor's from somewhere.

    Replies: @Discordiax

    Well, lately, requiring applicants to disclose convictions has moved towards being Disparate Impact, so I think it’s fair to ask why finishing a bachelor’s degree is not.

    ” In 2013, about 40 percent of whites between the ages of 25 and 29 had a bachelor’s degree or more, compared to about 20 percent of blacks, 15 percent of Hispanics and 58 percent of Asians, according to data from the Current Population Survey.1″ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/race-gap-narrows-in-college-enrollment-but-not-in-graduation/

  66. @Chang
    So what is last year that homicide rates by race are available?
    Does this mean homicide rates by race will be totally unavailable going forward?

    Replies: @A.

    Everyone:

    The data used in the BJS report is available online here: http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezashr/asp/off_selection.asp
    By the way, the numbers are collected by the FBI from state and local law enforcement, and not through interviews of individuals as said below.

    You can run the crosstabs yourself and get updated numbers through 2013. For example, in 2013 there were apparently 1,137 black offender-white victim murders known to law enforcement.

  67. @Tiny Duck
    Before there was even a black citizen… An i mean able to even own his name and be recognized in this country. There where white people killing whites and everyone else. Have you all forgot about the wild west ( white on white ) The indian wars ( white on native americans ) who may i add was slaughtered. Oh lets not forget Gangs of new york. ( white on white) I’m not a racist. Humans are violent as a species. But if ur going to point out statistics or ur version of facts. Then lets tell the whole story. Yes other imagrants come to this country and they do well. But lets get one fact straight. Black americans arnt immigrants. We were forced here. No choice at all. An the same system that was built then still stands now. To be exact any place that whites are the dominate power the other race is set for failure. Lets name a few. All of africa…India…. Alaska… Of my favorite. The United States of America. Australia… The west Indies.. An so on. Everything white people have touched has turned to shit. Culture far older then any of us can imagine whipped out. So if ur statistics makes ur life easier than please enjoy them now . retribution will be delt during judgement day.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @tbraton, @Chrisnonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Mr. Anon

    Culture far older then any of us can imagine whipped out.

    I always whip out some culture when I’m around the ladies! Whooooa, ladies. Check out my cul-ture. I got me some cul-ture.
    And they sayz, yeah, boy, whip it out. We want to see it.
    Shit, boy, you got some oooooooold culture! Shanice, check out that culture boy just whipped out. Hell, Jazmin, boy got the old culture go! in’! on!

  68. @Tiny Duck
    Before there was even a black citizen… An i mean able to even own his name and be recognized in this country. There where white people killing whites and everyone else. Have you all forgot about the wild west ( white on white ) The indian wars ( white on native americans ) who may i add was slaughtered. Oh lets not forget Gangs of new york. ( white on white) I’m not a racist. Humans are violent as a species. But if ur going to point out statistics or ur version of facts. Then lets tell the whole story. Yes other imagrants come to this country and they do well. But lets get one fact straight. Black americans arnt immigrants. We were forced here. No choice at all. An the same system that was built then still stands now. To be exact any place that whites are the dominate power the other race is set for failure. Lets name a few. All of africa…India…. Alaska… Of my favorite. The United States of America. Australia… The west Indies.. An so on. Everything white people have touched has turned to shit. Culture far older then any of us can imagine whipped out. So if ur statistics makes ur life easier than please enjoy them now . retribution will be delt during judgement day.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @tbraton, @Chrisnonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Mr. Anon

    Verity, nicely written post. Ur on a football scholarship at Missouri, write ?

  69. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Data like that needs lots of explanation to be relevant.

    Otherwise people would draw the wrong conclusions.

    Here is the truth

    WHITE MALES rape the most (9,504) 65.0, and the only reasons BLACK MALES (4,811)32.9 would rape white women are because there are more whites but FBI data does not lie!

    Forcible rape by race https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/c...

    WHITE MALES rape more women, commit more crimes and rape CHILDREN even more!

    * Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race.

    * White inmates were nearly three times more likely to have victimized a child than black inmates.

    http://childprotection.lifetip...

    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/c...

    Replies: @anon

    WHITE MALES rape the most (9,504) 65.0, and the only reasons BLACK MALES (4,811)32.9 would rape white women are because there are more whites but FBI data does not lie!

    So, whites rape about twice as many women as black males, but there are around five times as many whites in the country as blacks.

    Thanks for the help, Swiggy!

    By the way. Since the page you’re linking to doesn’t exist, does it say how many of those “whites” are actually Hispanics?

    * Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race.

    The people in this country are most likely to be white, roughly 70%.

    It’s hilarious that you admit that it’s surprising when whites actually commit a crime at a rate that’s the same as their representation in the country.

    • Replies: @WJ
    @anon

    Swiggy is not real strong on critical thinking skills. You summed it up nicely but an informed reader, especially of what I have seen on this site, would not need to be informed of the numerical disparity between white and black.

    Interracial rape is where the real disparity lies. Black on white/white on black ratio is about 1000 to 1.

  70. @D. K.
    It was already a classic, when I was assigned to read it, over thirty-five years ago, at Purdue:

    http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728

    My sister's step-daughter has a used copy, now lying around her father's house, somewhere, from her own undergraduate studies, just a few years ago, at a prestigious Northeastern university.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Yes, Huff’s book “How to Lie with Statistics” is well worth reading. I encourage young adults to read that one along with “The Elements of Style” by Strunk and White and “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin de Becker.

  71. @Tiny Duck
    Before there was even a black citizen… An i mean able to even own his name and be recognized in this country. There where white people killing whites and everyone else. Have you all forgot about the wild west ( white on white ) The indian wars ( white on native americans ) who may i add was slaughtered. Oh lets not forget Gangs of new york. ( white on white) I’m not a racist. Humans are violent as a species. But if ur going to point out statistics or ur version of facts. Then lets tell the whole story. Yes other imagrants come to this country and they do well. But lets get one fact straight. Black americans arnt immigrants. We were forced here. No choice at all. An the same system that was built then still stands now. To be exact any place that whites are the dominate power the other race is set for failure. Lets name a few. All of africa…India…. Alaska… Of my favorite. The United States of America. Australia… The west Indies.. An so on. Everything white people have touched has turned to shit. Culture far older then any of us can imagine whipped out. So if ur statistics makes ur life easier than please enjoy them now . retribution will be delt during judgement day.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @tbraton, @Chrisnonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @Mr. Anon

    “Black americans arnt immigrants. We were forced here. No choice at all. An the same system that was built then still stands now.”

    The first slave owner in the English colonies was a black man.

  72. @Reg Cæsar
    @Wilkey


    When we purchased our home we were required to enter our race and ethnicity on the mortgage application
     
    Was that the lender's policy, or the government's?

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Well according to the application it was the government’s rule.

  73. @Stan D Mute
    @Wilkey


    We marked black for race and Hispanic for ethnicity. The loan officer just chuckled. We got our loan. As long as it was us lying there was probably nothing she could do. Hell, they were probably grateful to us for boosting their minority lending rates.
     
    So I'm not the only one? Since my first Census decades ago, whenever asked my race I have said I am an African Pygmy. Somewhere in federal and state population data a lone Pygmy appears as a statistical anomaly.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    “So I’m not the only one? Since my first Census decades ago, whenever asked my race I have said I am an African Pygmy.”

    I don’t lie on the census. Those are the numbers on which the government bases hiring quotas, so lying only increases the number of minorities you have to hire. I do lie about my race on mortgage applications, etc. That counts towards their quotas, and thus reduces the number of unqualified minorities they actually have to serve.

  74. @anon
    @Tiny Duck

    WHITE MALES rape the most (9,504) 65.0, and the only reasons BLACK MALES (4,811)32.9 would rape white women are because there are more whites but FBI data does not lie!

    So, whites rape about twice as many women as black males, but there are around five times as many whites in the country as blacks.

    Thanks for the help, Swiggy!

    By the way. Since the page you're linking to doesn't exist, does it say how many of those "whites" are actually Hispanics?

    * Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race.

    The people in this country are most likely to be white, roughly 70%.

    It's hilarious that you admit that it's surprising when whites actually commit a crime at a rate that's the same as their representation in the country.

    Replies: @WJ

    Swiggy is not real strong on critical thinking skills. You summed it up nicely but an informed reader, especially of what I have seen on this site, would not need to be informed of the numerical disparity between white and black.

    Interracial rape is where the real disparity lies. Black on white/white on black ratio is about 1000 to 1.

  75. If bringing blacks here was such an awful thing, why is suggesting repatriating blacks back to Africa considered a hate crime?

    You lefties need to get your story straight. It’s a mess.

    ***

    The black rape rate is around 6.5 times the white rape rate.

    That’s the statistic that matters. It also probably underestimates the actual difference, given cultural differences between the two groups (black women probably under-report, white women probably over-report, relatively speaking, while the former are probably more likely to falsely accuse white men, and the latter are probably less likely to bring genuine charges against black men (i.e., PC)).

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Svigor

    Plus, Hispanic rapists are generally counted as "White" in government statistics of perpetrators, while Hispanic victims are accounted for, instead, as "Hispanic"-- greatly decreasing the racial gaps between Black and White rapists, and between interracial-rape rates between Blacks and Whites. Also, many, and perhaps most, rapes, in the United States, actually take place in prison. I suspect that the racial gaps, there, are astronomical in scope!?!

  76. @Svigor
    If bringing blacks here was such an awful thing, why is suggesting repatriating blacks back to Africa considered a hate crime?

    You lefties need to get your story straight. It's a mess.

    ***

    The black rape rate is around 6.5 times the white rape rate.

    That's the statistic that matters. It also probably underestimates the actual difference, given cultural differences between the two groups (black women probably under-report, white women probably over-report, relatively speaking, while the former are probably more likely to falsely accuse white men, and the latter are probably less likely to bring genuine charges against black men (i.e., PC)).

    Replies: @D. K.

    Plus, Hispanic rapists are generally counted as “White” in government statistics of perpetrators, while Hispanic victims are accounted for, instead, as “Hispanic”– greatly decreasing the racial gaps between Black and White rapists, and between interracial-rape rates between Blacks and Whites. Also, many, and perhaps most, rapes, in the United States, actually take place in prison. I suspect that the racial gaps, there, are astronomical in scope!?!

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