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From New York Times Opinion Columnist and veteran iSteve go-to content generator Charles M. Blow:
Stop Blaming Black Homophobia for Buttigieg’s Problems!
Let’s put an end to this racist trope.By Charles M. Blow, Opinion Columnist, Nov. 6, 2019
Reducing Pete Buttigieg’s struggle to attract black support solely to black homophobia is not only erroneous, it is a disgusting, racist trope, secretly nursed and insidiously whispered by white liberals with contempt for the very black people they court and need.
I have never been blind to this — the people who see black religiosity as an indicator of primitive thinking and lack of enlightenment.
(For the record, I am bisexual and not a religious man.)
They are those who see black people as a blight on our big cities, pathologically prone to violence and in need of pity and crumbs they cast about and call philanthropy….
It is tiresome and disappointing to constantly have to defend yourself not only from people who are openly hostile to you, but also from those who feign friendship but are secretly hostile to you.
It is in the tribal nature of gay culture that white men still center their white maleness as privileged, if one step removed from that enjoyed by their heterosexual brothers, where racial minorities are too often fetishized and thing-ified, seen more as an opportunity than an equal. …
And the people who are so committed to the black homophobia narrative must search themselves for the answer to this question: Why do you want — need! — this trope to stay alive?
And BTW, can we talk about me for a second?? Great!
But I do engage in the occasional blowtox, I mean, Blowtox, I meant, botox:
https://flic.kr/p/2hGp6shMaybe somebody could straighten me out on this. Is Charles complaining because he is expected to do too much giving, or too much receiving?
But bi-sexuals are still kinda creepy. They're just too horny or too indecisive. Just pick a team already.Replies: @Louis Renault, @Harry Baldwin, @Marty T
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKQggQG9FSsReplies: @Bugg, @Escher
Razib has posted some stats that Mr Blow won’t like:
Huge Difference In Attitudes Toward Homosexual Behavior Among Democrats By Race
Question: “sexual relations between two adults of the same sex” are:
– always wrong
– almost always wrong
– sometimes wrong
– not wrong at all
Always wrong:
White Democrats:15
Black Democrats:59
Hispanic Democrat: 29
White Republican:48
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2019/11/05/huge-difference-in-attitudes-toward-homosexual-behavior-among-democrats-by-race/
This is not a progressive/conservative thing, nor an SJW/alt-right thing.
Fortunately, it doesn't stop bad ideas from being destroyed - but it changes the timing.
It's frustrating for those of us who would prefer that arguments were settled by facts, because the correct answer would be arrived at much more quickly if facts were on an equal footing with rhetoric. Sadly (for us), that is just not how the world works (and it's never worked that way).
One of the most informative vignettes about the political view of the world, is the statement by Peter Teeley (former press secretary to George H. W. Bush), when Bush was caught lying during a vice-Presidential debate with Geraldine Ferraro in 1984:
Teeley - as quoted in the NYT at the time:That's a very very clear-eyed expression of how 'perception management' works.
As I say: it's not a D/R, liberal/conservative, progressive/evangelical thing. The people who behave as if facts are irrelevant, do so in a very clear-eyed way: they've fully internalised the apocryphal Twain aphorism about the truth being slow in getting its boots on (HA! - it wasn't even Twain, so I'm not reproducing it here).
Jonathan Swift knew what was up:And while I am often accused of child-like trust in markets, the 'post-lie' trajectory is still towards a stable equilibrium where good ideas win (eventually) - the first part of a related (non-Swift) quotation is relevant:And that's the important thing: it's The Hare and the Tortoise.
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'sides: the NYT has a circulation of fuck-all, and a readership of 3×fuck-all. For anything below the fold on page 1, the number of people who read a story will be a very small subset of that 3×fuck-all (probably more like 0.3×fuck-all). It doesn't shape public opinion or policy. All it does is outline what the powerful have already decided.Replies: @Harry Baldwin
So all my Charles “Blow” jokes were funny after all! Don’t you all feel foolish for not LOLing?
OK, smart guy, why DON’T black people support the ButtEdge? No tropes, please.
Oh ho ho. Can you imagine Buttgig as the nominee?
Diversity giveth and taketh away. Wall Street made it clear to Chucky Schemer that Heap Big Fake Indian Chief Warren speaks with forked tongue. No wampum for Dems while she war Chief. They no like um.
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What kind of gay porn universe is the New York Times, where a “bisexual” black guy named Charlie Blow gets all hot and thing-ified about a homosexual man named Peter Buttigieg?
http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/68/6823/A33Y100Z/posters/clown-universe-fantasy-blacklight-poster.jpg
Kneel N. Blow hits it out of the park with this one. Well done, sir.
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He certainly looks like he’s an expert in blowtox I’ll give him that.
I finally got his last name. I always thought it was in reference to the quality of his writing.
Well, yeah, not too hard to understand why one might see things that way…
Join the club.
Big Boy Pete
Here’s a heuristic I’ve found useful:
Whatever the media uses the word “trope” to describe is invariably true, not a “trope” at all.
"“Stereotype” has largely been replaced by trope, I argue, because “trope” comes out of postmodern Literary Theory, which tries to treat fact as fiction. Less fashionable terms like “stereotype” and “cliche” run the risk of empiricists raising tiresome objections about factual reality and truth. The word “trope,” however, implies a mental universe in which there is only Narrative."
"The use of “trope” signals a faith in the lit theory that the concept of “reality” is irrelevant, perhaps fictitious, and definitely oppressive. There’s no such thing as nature, only social constructs, which can presumably be deconstructed out of existence by socially reengineering the discourse."Replies: @anon, @another fred, @Moses
Awpp…almost got me.
I have never, ever read a piece by that man. Here, I stopped myself just in time.
Charles Blow surely does.
Defense of degeneracy at the NY Times? Who saw that coming?
I’m guessing he’s referring to the Beckies.
Jus' ask Beyonce'
These kind of NYT stories “blow over” soon enough.
And let’s talk about how it was Mormon money from Utah, rather than black Californians fired up to vote for Obama, that made the difference in passing the California Defense of Marriage Act. (Prop 22 from 2008 — the last time the democratic process had a chance to say anything about gay marriage.)
Diversity giveth and taketh away. Wall Street made it clear to Chucky Schemer that Heap Big Fake Indian Chief Warren speaks with forked tongue. No wampum for Dems while she war Chief. They no like um.Replies: @Kronos
I’m thinking about all the great political titles for porn films if Buttgig ever received the nomination.
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Get on twitter and you will se that most gay white men AGREE with Blow
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Add Vice and Consent
Charles Blow is doing his best to combat that trope that gay men–excuse me, bisexual men– tend to get a little overwrought.
Remember just 10 years ago when Sarah Silverman would make jokes like this? “Whether you’re gay, bisexual, it doesn’t matter. You know? Because at the end of the day they’re both gross.”
Now she just apologizes for them.
Savor this additional hateful, hurtful trope — Wikipedia gives Mr. Blow’s place of birth as Gibsland, Louisiana. Haw haw, GIBSland, get it? Which does exist, according to Rand McNally.
Agree with others here that he writes like a middle-school kid. But what can you expect? This racist society held him down by forcing him to attend Grambling State.
https://assets.realclear.com/images/47/472221.jpgReplies: @Tusk, @danand, @Hypnotoad666, @Clifford Brown, @Tony
Oh come on Mike, you can do better than that:
Maybe somebody could straighten me out on this. Is Charles complaining because he is expected to do too much giving, or too much receiving?
Charles M. Blow (a slightly comical novelist-created name that is just barely plausible) writes:
“I have never been blind to this — the people who see black religiosity as an indicator of primitive thinking and lack of enlightenment. … They are those who see black people as a blight on our big cities, pathologically prone to violence and in need of pity and crumbs they cast about and call philanthropy….”
Is “They are those who…” a deliberate black illiteracy for “There are those who…”? Mr. Blow is a subtle writer.
Huge Difference In Attitudes Toward Homosexual Behavior Among Democrats By Race
Question: “sexual relations between two adults of the same sex” are:
– always wrong
– almost always wrong
– sometimes wrong
– not wrong at all
Always wrong:
White Democrats:15
Black Democrats:59
Hispanic Democrat: 29
White Republican:48
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2019/11/05/huge-difference-in-attitudes-toward-homosexual-behavior-among-democrats-by-race/Replies: @HammerJack, @JMcG, @Kratoklastes
Dr Blow hereby instructs you and Señor Razib to search yourselves.
P.S. Imagine if the poll had limited the question to male homosexuality.
I've thought for a while that it'd be great to have someone who'd ask unthinkable questions of the general public (e.g., black female support for a hypothetical law against black men marrying outside of their race, dislike for homosexuality among various PoC groups, etc.).
I'm not sure, though, who would be 1) qualified, 2) willing to sacrifice the Respectability™, and 3) able to continue make a living as a pollster.
See also: Homonationalism.
In fine iSteve style, this term “Homonationalism” puts a label on something important that exists but is labelless (except by the happiest of euphemisms and misdirections; recall “marriage equality activists” in the 2000s and into the 2010s).
Steve, did you see that Charles Blow is now the subject of an honest to goodness opera? Coming to the Met in New York no less!
https://www.opera-stl.org/season-and-events/community-events/charles-blow-community-tour
Do I detect a theme?Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon
Yep, Ed Buck needed a lot of gay black men. So much so that he had to go out and keep getting more of them after they kept dying in his apartment after he shot them up with drugs.
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/18/761858659/democratic-fundraiser-ed-buck-is-arrested-after-a-third-man-ods-in-bucks-apartme
I’ve always suspected Terence Blanchard of ruining Spike Lee’s movies. When Spike’s dad did the scores back in the 1980s, he was an exciting up and coming talent. Then Spike fired his dad and hired Blanchard and Blanchard’s scores have always been depressing.
The betting markets have Buttigeg with a pretty good chance at the nomination and thus at the presidency. Whether people laying down actual money have more insight is hard to say — but it is notable.
So for those not much following the D-Team horserace and thus for whom Buttigieg is off their radar, this assertion of Black political primacy over ‘long shot candidate’ Buttigieg is more relevant than you might think. (IOW, he’s not such a long shot.)
And before you ask:
Yes, you read that right. Some people have money down on Oprah Winfrey.
In all the recent stories about the “epidemic” of black tranny murders (Less than 20?! Really? How may black hetero males were murdered just this past weekend?) I noticed that in spite of all the racial specificity about the who, we’re not getting a lot of information about the WHOM.
Spoiler alert: Black men, and only black men, are killing black trannies.
Is that what “trope” means, Chucky Blow? An inconvenient fact that you want to trivialize snd obscure?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/the-murder-of-black-transgender-women-is-becoming-a-crisis/2019/06/17/28f8dba6-912b-11e9-b570-6416efdc0803_story.html
Hmmm . . .
Fire Shut up in My Bones
Burning My Master’s House Down
Soul on Fire
The Fire Next Time
Do I detect a theme?
Unless Charles has penned "A Soul On Fire" from personal experience?Replies: @black sea
For what record? Is someone keeping a record of who is black and “bisexual” and not religious? How do I get a copy of this record?
My suspicion is that a black “bisexual” man is just a gay black man (hello, Obama…) hedging his bets because he KNOWS black men are “homophobic” (the completely natural disgust of c**k gargling and butt[igeig] f***ing) – “hey, my Brother, I be f***ing the bitches, too! Don’t kill me – I’m half normal, right?
Dumb meme.
Huge Difference In Attitudes Toward Homosexual Behavior Among Democrats By Race
Question: “sexual relations between two adults of the same sex” are:
– always wrong
– almost always wrong
– sometimes wrong
– not wrong at all
Always wrong:
White Democrats:15
Black Democrats:59
Hispanic Democrat: 29
White Republican:48
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2019/11/05/huge-difference-in-attitudes-toward-homosexual-behavior-among-democrats-by-race/Replies: @HammerJack, @JMcG, @Kratoklastes
Present the possible answers as “Always disgusting, sometimes disgusting, etc.” and see what the results are.
What kind of gay porn universe is the New York Times…
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Black Butts Matter
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Deep Stated
There's no war just respectful
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People of Col R aren't homophobic white christians are homophobic
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You’re setting yourself up for a colossal smackdown from a Fish 🐟
There's no war just respectful
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People of Col R aren't homophobic white christians are homophobic
Read white fragility by robin diangeloReplies: @Charon, @Unladen Swallow, @William Badwhite
You know td, stating outright lies constantly like this post for example, doesn’t actually make them true.
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I think society is generally cool with gay people at this point. I mean, if they really feel they were “born that way” whattya gonna do.
But bi-sexuals are still kinda creepy. They’re just too horny or too indecisive. Just pick a team already.
Nah, it’s just the unfortunate fact that Spike only ever really had one great movie in him, “Do The Right Thing.” He said what he had to say, and in fairness it /is/ a great movie (most filmmakers are lucky if they even manage to make one “good” movie, Spike made a great one, that’s not nuthing) but afterwards he was basically done, and ever since he’s just been spinning his wheels, some black guy making a living in the Blacketty-black-black black-black racket.
The other NYT columnists probably buddy up to him at their corporate events and then roll their eyes and talk about what a lame diversity hire he is behind his back. I could see Krugman, Friedman, and Goldberg, et al., doing that.
Do I detect a theme?Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon
Chuck’s Flaming?
… With a name like ‘Buttigieg’, life imitates art.
How about “Deep State Fissures?”
Because sometimes, just sometimes the truth trumps the narrative.
See, the term ‘trump’ works well in almost every SJW or Wokester discussion. It’s no accident that Trump trumped the 16 dwarves and the Hillbot.
https://assets.realclear.com/images/47/472221.jpgReplies: @Tusk, @danand, @Hypnotoad666, @Clifford Brown, @Tony
Charles Blow is a National Treasure.
‘Afraid I’m gonna miss this one. Damn! Let us know what you thought of it, Charles.
Awwww, boo-hoo!! I wish I could feel your pain, Charles, but my schadenfreude has overridden any empathy I might have had. La verite’ blesse, comme on dit.
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And we’d be left wondering what he really meant if he said he had a pen and a phone and planned to use them.
"I have never been blind to this — the people who see black religiosity as an indicator of primitive thinking and lack of enlightenment. ... They are those who see black people as a blight on our big cities, pathologically prone to violence and in need of pity and crumbs they cast about and call philanthropy…."
Is "They are those who..." a deliberate black illiteracy for "There are those who..."? Mr. Blow is a subtle writer.Replies: @Hibernian
It’s gramatically correct, though awkward. “They”, in this instance, is not an illiteracy for “There.” It’s a noun and the subject of the a sentence. “They” stands in for “the people who see black religiosity as an indicator of primitive thinking and lack of enlightenment.”
Blackness is getting gayer and dorkier.
If he got his wish he wouldn’t have anything to write about. One trick pony.
So just how many butt-gigs has Pete done? Inquiring minds want to know.
Is there a case in animal kingdom where the normal animals weed out the atypical ones?
Trope Rule No. 1: whenever anyone uses the word, turn the page immediately.
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Primary Prolapse?
“(Pro)lapse in Decorum.”
And a married man, at that. I’m sure Mr. Blow will be suitably Chastened.
Whatever the media uses the word "trope" to describe is invariably true, not a "trope" at all.Replies: @Anonymous
Don’t get @ Isteve started on trope…
““Stereotype” has largely been replaced by trope, I argue, because “trope” comes out of postmodern Literary Theory, which tries to treat fact as fiction. Less fashionable terms like “stereotype” and “cliche” run the risk of empiricists raising tiresome objections about factual reality and truth. The word “trope,” however, implies a mental universe in which there is only Narrative.”
“The use of “trope” signals a faith in the lit theory that the concept of “reality” is irrelevant, perhaps fictitious, and definitely oppressive. There’s no such thing as nature, only social constructs, which can presumably be deconstructed out of existence by socially reengineering the discourse.”
How about "tripe", can we use the word "tripe" in this manner? Besides, Charlie Blow's writing has often brought the word "tripe' to mind.
Inner Party Member O'Brien during torture re-education of Winston Smith, "1984"
Orwell knew.
But bi-sexuals are still kinda creepy. They're just too horny or too indecisive. Just pick a team already.Replies: @Louis Renault, @Harry Baldwin, @Marty T
That negates the narrative of “born that way”.
Charles Blow is bisexual? Figures.
Suspect the bisexual Mr. Blow doesn’t like that a lot of his fellow African-Americans are not cool with his down low act. Better to pretend it isn’t so. Polls especially in the south bear this out. But grant Mr. Blow that he says if subtly, white liberals, and especially gay white guys, look down on blacks.A nugget of truth in column of self-serving dishonesty.
Mayor Butplugs will not be the nominee. But with all the gay money and support, would wager he will be the Dem VP candidate. Let’s see how that plays out among and between The Fringes.
Agree with others here that he writes like a middle-school kid. But what can you expect? This racist society held him down by forcing him to attend Grambling State.Replies: @Tex, @Harry Baldwin, @Nachum
Gibsland was where Frank Hammer’s posse got Bonnie & Clyde. The former Texas Ranger and associates cut loose with a devastating volley of gunfire at the duo because they assumed that the pair was actually Emmet Till and his gay lover.
Yeah — Beckies with the good hair!
Jus’ ask Beyonce’
So which is it? Clearly blacks do murder black gay dudes at a higher rate than whites murder anyone. That leaves us wondering (because you can only go three ways on this, it cannot be Black’s fault).
1. White man is to blame for the black on black crime, or in this case crime think.
2. Blacks are more in tune with their cultural heritage and it’s their deeply religious nature that provides them strength but had them stuck in the benighted past.
3. It’s not really true and if you just massage the data really hard it will conform to your wishes. In this case maybe he could use the same program that Unz uses to minimize Hispanic crime you massage away the black disdain for gays.
Jones’ father did 2 things after his wife died; took up heroin and took up with a white Jewish lady. The later Spike Jones could not abide.
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Based on this alone, Mr. Blow is not bisexual. As Andrew Dice Clay says, you either do or you do not…. Blow does.
We already ‘meme’ or ‘force see’ the races to be equal, and diversity to be a strength, so how far can we take it? Why not that blacks do not create blight, and are not prone to violence?
Agree with others here that he writes like a middle-school kid. But what can you expect? This racist society held him down by forcing him to attend Grambling State.Replies: @Tex, @Harry Baldwin, @Nachum
Gibsland, Louisiana is where Bonnie and Clyde were killed.
“Bisexual” typically means “gay, but I can’t totally admit it”. Having had the misfortune of reading multiple Blow columns, he’s a bitchy progressive black that believes his particular tribe and its pathologies are exclusively a result of white racism, and thus they are totally off the hook for any uncomfortable facts, like the staggering crime rate or the well-known discomfort with homosexuality. Kinda like TNC…I don’t think he’s gay, but he is a soft beta who transfers his fear of other blacks to hatred of whites out of racial guilt.
Anyway, Buttigieg is a distant 4th not just because of his lack of black support, but it’s definitely a major factor. You cannot win the Dem primary without a strong showing in this area, and Buttigieg simply doesn’t have enough to be taken seriously as a potential nominee. I think there must be some real anguish on the part of Dem strategists when looking at either a Biden or Warren nomination. Biden has black support, but he’s pretty old and uninspiring. Warren gets the white progressives fired up and black women will line up for her, but a lot of black men will not – just like with Hilary – and this could keep them from flipping MI, PA, and WI back.
No, it means that in the disordered 'mind' of Dan Savage.
Both Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis managed to. Gary Hart came close to being the nominee in 1984 with almost no support from black voters.Replies: @Arclight
Maybe we’ll see Warren as POTUS candidate and Buttigieg as her VP. “Hey, you don’t like the shrill, scolding school marm? Well, how about the slightly goofy gay guy who kisses his husband a lot?”
And black people, if you don’t go for this package it’s going to reinforce some very unfortunate stereotypes about you. Just sayin’.
But bi-sexuals are still kinda creepy. They're just too horny or too indecisive. Just pick a team already.Replies: @Louis Renault, @Harry Baldwin, @Marty T
My daughter knew a guy back in high school you could call “bi.” He’s very good looking, kinda stupid and lazy, likes to screw girls, but will have sex with men if they pay him. He’s a hustler, basically. I wonder how many bisexuals fit this profile?
Is there a pollster in existence who’d actually ask that question?
I’ve thought for a while that it’d be great to have someone who’d ask unthinkable questions of the general public (e.g., black female support for a hypothetical law against black men marrying outside of their race, dislike for homosexuality among various PoC groups, etc.).
I’m not sure, though, who would be 1) qualified, 2) willing to sacrifice the Respectability™, and 3) able to continue make a living as a pollster.
Anyway, Buttigieg is a distant 4th not just because of his lack of black support, but it's definitely a major factor. You cannot win the Dem primary without a strong showing in this area, and Buttigieg simply doesn't have enough to be taken seriously as a potential nominee. I think there must be some real anguish on the part of Dem strategists when looking at either a Biden or Warren nomination. Biden has black support, but he's pretty old and uninspiring. Warren gets the white progressives fired up and black women will line up for her, but a lot of black men will not - just like with Hilary - and this could keep them from flipping MI, PA, and WI back.Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @nebulafox
“Bisexual” typically means “gay, but I can’t totally admit it”.
No, it means that in the disordered ‘mind’ of Dan Savage.
Anyway, Buttigieg is a distant 4th not just because of his lack of black support, but it's definitely a major factor. You cannot win the Dem primary without a strong showing in this area, and Buttigieg simply doesn't have enough to be taken seriously as a potential nominee. I think there must be some real anguish on the part of Dem strategists when looking at either a Biden or Warren nomination. Biden has black support, but he's pretty old and uninspiring. Warren gets the white progressives fired up and black women will line up for her, but a lot of black men will not - just like with Hilary - and this could keep them from flipping MI, PA, and WI back.Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @nebulafox
You cannot win the Dem primary without a strong showing in this area,
Both Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis managed to. Gary Hart came close to being the nominee in 1984 with almost no support from black voters.
If somehow the Dem nominee is someone who did not also get the largest share of black voters, I think it's likely turnout from this key demographic on election day will be low and Dems won't flip any of the states Trump won in 2016.Replies: @Justvisiting, @Art Deco
Both Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis managed to. Gary Hart came close to being the nominee in 1984 with almost no support from black voters.
30+ years ago. In a different country.
Both Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis managed to. Gary Hart came close to being the nominee in 1984 with almost no support from black voters.Replies: @Arclight
I think in this day and age its much more necessary than 30 years ago. Blacks were 18% of the primary voters in ’84 (when Jesse Jackson ran) and 21% in ’88, projected to be 28% or better this time around.
If somehow the Dem nominee is someone who did not also get the largest share of black voters, I think it’s likely turnout from this key demographic on election day will be low and Dems won’t flip any of the states Trump won in 2016.
Congress stays the way it is and everyone in DC spends four more years screaming hysterically at each other...Replies: @Arclight
But bi-sexuals are still kinda creepy. They're just too horny or too indecisive. Just pick a team already.Replies: @Louis Renault, @Harry Baldwin, @Marty T
And as a black bisexual he has about a fifty percent chance of having hiv. Anyway, I’m more than getting sick of this. I’m now at the point where our goal needs to be to remove all black people from this country. They cost so much cost in lives, money etc. They’ve had 50 years to show they could be integrated into civilization and they failed. I’m not sure how we get there but it must be the goal.
Do I detect a theme?Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon
Just make sure to hide the matches when Terry comes to your house for dinner.
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No fair to continue to change your name. My “commenters to ignore list” is getting really long. You and your aliases, Corvinus at least 10 times, Mexican Corvinus (Nick Diaz), etc.
If somehow the Dem nominee is someone who did not also get the largest share of black voters, I think it's likely turnout from this key demographic on election day will be low and Dems won't flip any of the states Trump won in 2016.Replies: @Justvisiting, @Art Deco
At this point I think this is exactly how the election will play out–Warren wins the nomination, and Trump holds the states he won in 2016 (plus maybe one or two more small western states like NV and/or NM if the Hispanics are educated on Warren’s fake Indian scam) and is re-elected.
Congress stays the way it is and everyone in DC spends four more years screaming hysterically at each other…
That said, I am concerned that suburban white ladies are sick of Trump and will vote for Warren or Biden instead. It seems like a coin toss to me, although perhaps slightly in Trump's favor at this point.
Huge Difference In Attitudes Toward Homosexual Behavior Among Democrats By Race
Question: “sexual relations between two adults of the same sex” are:
– always wrong
– almost always wrong
– sometimes wrong
– not wrong at all
Always wrong:
White Democrats:15
Black Democrats:59
Hispanic Democrat: 29
White Republican:48
https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2019/11/05/huge-difference-in-attitudes-toward-homosexual-behavior-among-democrats-by-race/Replies: @HammerJack, @JMcG, @Kratoklastes
It’s a category error to think that Blow (and people like him) approach the battle of ideas as being about facts. It’s not. It’s about their side getting their ideas disseminated with the imprimatur of some or other authority figure; in timeframes that are meaningful to Blow-types, that will beat ‘facts’ hands-down. In that. they show the correct level of contempt for the processing power of theirtarget audience.
This is not a progressive/conservative thing, nor an SJW/alt-right thing.
Fortunately, it doesn’t stop bad ideas from being destroyed – but it changes the timing.
It’s frustrating for those of us who would prefer that arguments were settled by facts, because the correct answer would be arrived at much more quickly if facts were on an equal footing with rhetoric. Sadly (for us), that is just not how the world works (and it’s never worked that way).
One of the most informative vignettes about the political view of the world, is the statement by Peter Teeley (former press secretary to George H. W. Bush), when Bush was caught lying during a vice-Presidential debate with Geraldine Ferraro in 1984:
Teeley – as quoted in the NYT at the time:
That’s a very very clear-eyed expression of how ‘perception management’ works.
As I say: it’s not a D/R, liberal/conservative, progressive/evangelical thing. The people who behave as if facts are irrelevant, do so in a very clear-eyed way: they’ve fully internalised the apocryphal Twain aphorism about the truth being slow in getting its boots on (HA! – it wasn’t even Twain, so I’m not reproducing it here).
Jonathan Swift knew what was up:
And while I am often accused of child-like trust in markets, the ‘post-lie’ trajectory is still towards a stable equilibrium where good ideas win (eventually) – the first part of a related (non-Swift) quotation is relevant:
And that’s the important thing: it’s The Hare and the Tortoise.
.
‘sides: the NYT has a circulation of fuck-all, and a readership of 3×fuck-all. For anything below the fold on page 1, the number of people who read a story will be a very small subset of that 3×fuck-all (probably more like 0.3×fuck-all). It doesn’t shape public opinion or policy. All it does is outline what the powerful have already decided.
“They are those who see black people as a blight on our big cities, pathologically prone to violence and in need of pity and crumbs they cast about and call philanthropy…”
Yep. We also see the sky as blue and 2+2=4.
Pity and philanthropy? 750,000 young White men in the prime of life killed, at least 50,000 civilians dead from side effects of war such as malnutrition, the south east condemned to 100 years of poverty and malnutrition, affirmative action and the destruction of our great cities.
Blacks should get what they deserve instead of aristocratic status and endless pampering and cuddling.Replies: @Art Deco
Not to mention Tiny Ducks, though he’s gone back to kissing Leonard’s pitt.
Because in this case the blacks are right.
If somehow the Dem nominee is someone who did not also get the largest share of black voters, I think it's likely turnout from this key demographic on election day will be low and Dems won't flip any of the states Trump won in 2016.Replies: @Justvisiting, @Art Deco
I think in this day and age its much more necessary than 30 years ago. Blacks were 18% of the primary voters in ’84 (when Jesse Jackson ran) and 21% in ’88, projected to be 28% or better this time around.
The degree of devotion of blacks to the Democratic Party has hardly changed in 50+ years; the proportion of the population which is black changes only slowly if at all (it’s precisely the same now as it was in 1860). The number of people participating in Democratic presidential primaries and caucuses has, in the last generation, grown faster than the adult population (66% v. 36%). Not seeing how your projection could possibly be accurate.
So, basically, according to Mr. Blow, black people can’t be homophobic because white liberals, including white gay guys, are racists.
Seems legit.
I’m not saying that it is, but the way that this could be mathematically true is if white people abandoned the Democrat Party. I think that is true to some extent, especially in the South. In SC, blacks are 60% of the voters in the Democrat primaries despite being only 27% of the population of the state.
Some but not many. Male prostitution is not a popular career choice in our society. Probably Arclight’s definition in #54 is a more common profile. In the past (and apparently still today in the black community) it was common for gay men to be what we would today call bisexual because they were expected to present a public face as heterosexual but would have a secret life as gay.
I really did laugh out loud!!
Congress stays the way it is and everyone in DC spends four more years screaming hysterically at each other...Replies: @Arclight
I think low black turnout is Trump’s best hope of getting re-elected. He’d lose the popular vote again, but win in the EC, which would definitely inflame the left even further…and I would actually be somewhat sympathetic because it would mean three of the four elections that produced a GOP president in this century came after losing the popular vote. If the shoe were on the other foot I’d be out of my mind.
That said, I am concerned that suburban white ladies are sick of Trump and will vote for Warren or Biden instead. It seems like a coin toss to me, although perhaps slightly in Trump’s favor at this point.
Do I detect a theme?Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Jack D, @YetAnotherAnon
Was there a Soul On Fire? Soul on Ice, yes. That was Eldridge Cleaver’s confessional about ‘practicing’ rape on black girls before starting on white ones.
Unless Charles has penned “A Soul On Fire” from personal experience?
(hello, Obama…)
Dumb meme.
Charles Blow may have a bit of a point here. It is to the the credit of Black voters that they eschew Buttigeg.
"“Stereotype” has largely been replaced by trope, I argue, because “trope” comes out of postmodern Literary Theory, which tries to treat fact as fiction. Less fashionable terms like “stereotype” and “cliche” run the risk of empiricists raising tiresome objections about factual reality and truth. The word “trope,” however, implies a mental universe in which there is only Narrative."
"The use of “trope” signals a faith in the lit theory that the concept of “reality” is irrelevant, perhaps fictitious, and definitely oppressive. There’s no such thing as nature, only social constructs, which can presumably be deconstructed out of existence by socially reengineering the discourse."Replies: @anon, @another fred, @Moses
““Stereotype” has largely been replaced by trope, I argue, because “trope” comes out of postmodern Literary Theory, which tries to treat fact as fiction.
How about “tripe”, can we use the word “tripe” in this manner? Besides, Charlie Blow’s writing has often brought the word “tripe’ to mind.
So, basically, according to Mr. Blow, black people can’t be homophobic because white liberals, including white gay guys, are racists.
Seems legit.
Blacks account for ~12,4% of the population who are (1) citizens, (2) over the age of 18, and (3) not disfranchised due to felony convictions. Just over 90% favor the Democratic Party, v. 50% of the general population. If they turnout in the same proportion as generic voters, they account for 22.6% of all Democratic voters. They’d have to turnout to vote in Democratic Party primaries and caucuses at a rate about 1.33x that of non-black Democrats in order to account for 28% of the Democratic electorate nationally. Blacks are less affluent than others and political engagement is directly associated with affluence. I suppose it is possible that they turn out in higher proportions, but it would be socially anomalous if they did.
It’s possible that they turned out in disproportionate numbers just in 2008 and 2012, or that if they do turn out in higher proportions in general than would be expected, that the normal turnout is still nowhere near what occurred during the Obama elections.
The slaughters of 2010 and 2014 seem to indicate that black voters don’t pay any more attention to lower levels of politics than other demographics do.
Anyway, Buttigieg is a distant 4th not just because of his lack of black support, but it's definitely a major factor. You cannot win the Dem primary without a strong showing in this area, and Buttigieg simply doesn't have enough to be taken seriously as a potential nominee. I think there must be some real anguish on the part of Dem strategists when looking at either a Biden or Warren nomination. Biden has black support, but he's pretty old and uninspiring. Warren gets the white progressives fired up and black women will line up for her, but a lot of black men will not - just like with Hilary - and this could keep them from flipping MI, PA, and WI back.Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco, @nebulafox
Must be awfully demoralizing to know that your entire professional livelihood serves primarily as a status symbol for white liberals.
> I think there must be some real anguish on the part of Dem strategists when looking at either a Biden or Warren nomination.
I think they’ve privately given up hope on being elected on their own merits and are placing all their hopes on anti-Trump sentiment to power themselves on through. Trump says and does enough genuinely stupid, alienating stuff to make this a not entirely fantastical strategy, but being forced to put your fate primarily in the hands of your opponent’s actions is never a good indicator. Just ask the GOP how that worked for them.
Unless there’s an economic collapse or another stupid Middle Easter war, good luck.
As for the election, I think you are right in that the Democrats are basically hoping for events to drag Trump down more than whoever their nominee is just winning on the strength of their own ideas and talent. It's a risky strategy but it might work in the end - hard to tell a year out what will happen.
Big black guy uses boombox to racially intimidate local minority small business owner in a predominantly black community. Intimidated minority business owner, after asking black guy to lower volume of radio, takes matters into his own hands and destroys radio. Big black guy, then, in a rage, attempts to choke to death minority small business owner. Police arrive and in the process of stopping the murder, accidentally kill the would-be murderer.
The moral of this story according to Spike Lee: Radio Raheem was killed by police over a radio.
He doesn’t even understand the moral lessons of his own films.
"“Stereotype” has largely been replaced by trope, I argue, because “trope” comes out of postmodern Literary Theory, which tries to treat fact as fiction. Less fashionable terms like “stereotype” and “cliche” run the risk of empiricists raising tiresome objections about factual reality and truth. The word “trope,” however, implies a mental universe in which there is only Narrative."
"The use of “trope” signals a faith in the lit theory that the concept of “reality” is irrelevant, perhaps fictitious, and definitely oppressive. There’s no such thing as nature, only social constructs, which can presumably be deconstructed out of existence by socially reengineering the discourse."Replies: @anon, @another fred, @Moses
That’s a well constructed argument.
Someone made something… https://blackshatefags.com/
This is not a progressive/conservative thing, nor an SJW/alt-right thing.
Fortunately, it doesn't stop bad ideas from being destroyed - but it changes the timing.
It's frustrating for those of us who would prefer that arguments were settled by facts, because the correct answer would be arrived at much more quickly if facts were on an equal footing with rhetoric. Sadly (for us), that is just not how the world works (and it's never worked that way).
One of the most informative vignettes about the political view of the world, is the statement by Peter Teeley (former press secretary to George H. W. Bush), when Bush was caught lying during a vice-Presidential debate with Geraldine Ferraro in 1984:
Teeley - as quoted in the NYT at the time:That's a very very clear-eyed expression of how 'perception management' works.
As I say: it's not a D/R, liberal/conservative, progressive/evangelical thing. The people who behave as if facts are irrelevant, do so in a very clear-eyed way: they've fully internalised the apocryphal Twain aphorism about the truth being slow in getting its boots on (HA! - it wasn't even Twain, so I'm not reproducing it here).
Jonathan Swift knew what was up:And while I am often accused of child-like trust in markets, the 'post-lie' trajectory is still towards a stable equilibrium where good ideas win (eventually) - the first part of a related (non-Swift) quotation is relevant:And that's the important thing: it's The Hare and the Tortoise.
.
'sides: the NYT has a circulation of fuck-all, and a readership of 3×fuck-all. For anything below the fold on page 1, the number of people who read a story will be a very small subset of that 3×fuck-all (probably more like 0.3×fuck-all). It doesn't shape public opinion or policy. All it does is outline what the powerful have already decided.Replies: @Harry Baldwin
I think that’s the best explanation of why Adam Schiff delivered his made up, slanderous version of Trump’s phone call to the Ukrainian president. Schiff figured that his outrageous lies would be heard, and even if people were quickly informed that they were indeed lies he would have planted them in people’s minds
Your chart of the events in the movie is not wrong and it’s not facile; it’s just that the movie is a work of art, not a clear moral lesson, not an allegory nor a “teaching moment”. It’s a complicated bit of artistic business with a lot of layers and a lot of contradictions and a lot of cultural and philosophical cross-talk. I dislike Spike personally but cmon, it’s a great movie, full of complications and issues and funny stuff on the side. I could write a whole book about it, except that the cultural train has moved on.
I’ve often thought that about TNC – he probably spends the vast majority of his time around high income/high education white people who slobber over his pronouncements and rarely if ever challenge anything he says because their status amongst their peers has a lot to do with publicly being on the ‘right’ side of politics and race. I think at some point he realized he was basically an ornament, but watching the video earlier this year of his obsequious editor at The Atlantic overpraising him in front of the staff, I think he now believes it’s all real.
As for the election, I think you are right in that the Democrats are basically hoping for events to drag Trump down more than whoever their nominee is just winning on the strength of their own ideas and talent. It’s a risky strategy but it might work in the end – hard to tell a year out what will happen.
https://assets.realclear.com/images/47/472221.jpgReplies: @Tusk, @danand, @Hypnotoad666, @Clifford Brown, @Tony
So Blow is on down low.
Steve —
Just want to “vote” my long time reader/commenter status as being in favor of “Coalition of the Fringers” rather than “Margins”.
Reasons:
— “Coalition of the Fringes comes off the tongue better and sounds more unique.
— “Margins” has an association with “marginalized” which is core leftist/minoritarian excuse making. You say “Margins” and that association will have some people thinking “well why should people who have been unjustly “marginalized” unite to fight their oppression!”
— “Fringes” brings to mind actual fringe–the fashion defintion–something unnecessary and trivial and in terms of people “alternative lifestyle” and non-normative behavior. Overall it delivers a sillier feel, which i think helps make the point.
Does he indulge other men solely for the money? Or does he also find some erotic appeal in them? Seems to me that would be the most salient and germane question to be asked. To put it another way, absent the financial incentive or other pressure, would he ever freely choose to sexually engage with another male?
Unless Charles has penned "A Soul On Fire" from personal experience?Replies: @black sea
Actually, Cleaver penned “Soul on Fire” as well as “Soul on Ice.” I suppose the two are a sort of boxed set.
Just want to "vote" my long time reader/commenter status as being in favor of "Coalition of the Fringers" rather than "Margins".
Reasons:
-- "Coalition of the Fringes comes off the tongue better and sounds more unique.
-- "Margins" has an association with "marginalized" which is core leftist/minoritarian excuse making. You say "Margins" and that association will have some people thinking "well why should people who have been unjustly "marginalized" unite to fight their oppression!"
-- "Fringes" brings to mind actual fringe--the fashion defintion--something unnecessary and trivial and in terms of people "alternative lifestyle" and non-normative behavior. Overall it delivers a sillier feel, which i think helps make the point.Replies: @Steve Sailer
OK, but maybe Coalition of the Margins is more tautological in that it reuses part of a favored Democratic jargon term: Marginalized?
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/stick-margarine-and-other-food-items-which-contain-trans-fat-are-on-picture-id187269409?s=612x612Replies: @Jack D
https://i.warosu.org/data/ck/img/0080/65/1473096811668.jpg
"“Stereotype” has largely been replaced by trope, I argue, because “trope” comes out of postmodern Literary Theory, which tries to treat fact as fiction. Less fashionable terms like “stereotype” and “cliche” run the risk of empiricists raising tiresome objections about factual reality and truth. The word “trope,” however, implies a mental universe in which there is only Narrative."
"The use of “trope” signals a faith in the lit theory that the concept of “reality” is irrelevant, perhaps fictitious, and definitely oppressive. There’s no such thing as nature, only social constructs, which can presumably be deconstructed out of existence by socially reengineering the discourse."Replies: @anon, @another fred, @Moses
‘We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation—anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wish to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth-century ideas about the laws of Nature. We make the laws of Nature.’
Inner Party Member O’Brien during torture re-education of Winston Smith, “1984”
Orwell knew.
Marginalized
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/stick-margarine-and-other-food-items-which-contain-trans-fat-are-on-picture-id187269409?s=612×612
Agree with others here that he writes like a middle-school kid. But what can you expect? This racist society held him down by forcing him to attend Grambling State.Replies: @Tex, @Harry Baldwin, @Nachum
Not to worry, two of his three kids went to Ivies.
Marginalized
Back in the dark ages of the 1990’s, Phoebe Buffay sang on Friends,
“Sometimes men love women/ and sometimes men love men/ and then are bisexuals/ but most people say they’re just fooling themselves.”
That was the peak of progressive Hollywood thinking (“Oh, those poor gays have to repress themselves!”) about, oh, five minutes ago. Today it’s a hate crime.
Today it’s just the opposite: “Bisexual” is something boring straight people (even black ones, whether or not they once did a bit on the dl) can conveniently claim to give themselves some cred. How quickly it changes. Soon it will be compulsory.
I like Spike Lee’s films, but it can’t be denied black people act terribly in them, in particularthey are racist AF.
So, blacks are “homophobic,’ eh? It couldn’t be simple human disgust over the primary male homosexual act itself, right? Nah, nobody’s put off by that! Straight women indulge men’s curiosity over sodomy all the time, right? Oh, wait..they don’t – it’s painful, humiliating, and potentially deadly.
If I hadn’t known who Charles Blow was, I would have still guessed this column was written by an African American. There’s something about the way they write…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKQggQG9FSsReplies: @Bugg, @Escher
That’s a bald sista right there.
I suppose it’s kind of pointless to quibble with the semantics of Blow’s “writing,” but this awkward neologism sounds more like a synonym for “reified” than a useful replacement for the perfectly good word “objectified” — which seems to be his intended meaning.
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/stick-margarine-and-other-food-items-which-contain-trans-fat-are-on-picture-id187269409?s=612x612Replies: @Jack D
To be margarinized is worst than being marginalized. Margarine sales have gone off a cliff.
Yep. We also see the sky as blue and 2+2=4.Replies: @Alden
I agree with the first 18 words of the sentence.
Pity and philanthropy? 750,000 young White men in the prime of life killed, at least 50,000 civilians dead from side effects of war such as malnutrition, the south east condemned to 100 years of poverty and malnutrition, affirmative action and the destruction of our great cities.
Blacks should get what they deserve instead of aristocratic status and endless pampering and cuddling.
Blacks should get what they deserve.. Blacks should get what feral young men deserve. FIFY.I will add 25th Hour as a great movie. The 09/11 references were unnecessary, but that was the only flaw in my opinion.
ON THE QUESTION OF BISEXUALITY
One thing’s for sure: There most certainly exist men who, in addition to having the normal heterosexual attraction to women, also find a distinct, unique erotic appeal in boys— i.e, human males at some stage prior to that of full bodily development. (I would guess that the most common age-range of attraction probably falls somewhere within the 9-16 window.) At least a mere latent capacity to find erotic appeal in boys is something that I suspect a high number of heterosexual men, perhaps even a majority, possess. My theory is that in healthy, well-adjusted men, any such feelings toward boys are eclipsed by the normal interest in women that is present. And that the former, therefore, under normal conditions, generally do not manifest themselves beyond, at most, a passing fancy. Additionally, the strong social and legal taboos surrounding erotic interest in minors that no doubt act as a deterrent to behaviors in that area, would also seem to stifle and suppress even mere thought and desire in it as well.
In addition to the critical distinction between appeal/attraction/feelings and actions/acts/behaviors that is difficult to overemphasize when discussing a topic such as this, the very nature of the attraction and feelings involved also varies fundamentally. There would appear to be a general assumption that a man who finds erotic appeal in a boy must at least desire to bugger/sodomize him (i.e., anally penetrate or at least engage-in fellatio with). While this may (alas) very well be true for most (perhaps even an overwhelmingly majority) of boy-attracted men, it is not for all. I have elaborated upon the heinousness of intergenerational buggery in a number of past comments, most recently and succinctly the one found here.
I was worried that “A Soul On Fire” might refer to part of Mr Blow’s anatomy after a painful coupling.
Pity and philanthropy? 750,000 young White men in the prime of life killed, at least 50,000 civilians dead from side effects of war such as malnutrition, the south east condemned to 100 years of poverty and malnutrition, affirmative action and the destruction of our great cities.
Blacks should get what they deserve instead of aristocratic status and endless pampering and cuddling.Replies: @Art Deco
1. Blacks didn’t generate the Civil War and were only peripheral participants in it.
2. The South (east of Texas) had a per capita income about 1/2 the national mean in 1929. The only places in the world with notably higher real income levels in 1929 would be the northern United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, Denmark, Spain, and Argentina. (See the Maddison Project and the BEA historical data). A great deal of physical capital was destroyed during the war, but blacks didn’t Jedi mindtrick the political class on either side into fighting it.
3. Our cities aren’t ‘destroyed’. Actual physical settlement extends well beyond core city boundaries. You used to have periodic municipal annexation. That ended in New York and New Jersey in 1924 and has largely disappeared most other places. As your physical settlement grows in population, the slum quarters also grow – and are an ever larger share of the population within the old municipal boundaries. You’ve had disorderly slum neighborhoods in this country ever since you’ve had cities of any dimension. About 10% of the total population lives in them, perhaps 17% of those living in dense metropolitan concentrations.
4. Affirmative action wasn’t an initiative of working class blacks, although the professional politicians in the black population are implicated. It’s a game played by lawyers, HR pests, and educational administrators. It continues in spite of popular opposition because that’s the way our wretched institutions work: professional class types get what they want pretty consistently, the rest of the population is largely ignored.
5.
Blacks should get what they deserve.. Blacks should get what feral young men deserve. FIFY.