The Decline of the Black Caddy
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A few generations ago, all the caddies at The Masters golf tournament were black, such as Willie “Cemetery” Peteet, who had his throat slashed by a jealous husband but who survived to caddy for Pres. Eisenhower on his many visits to Augusta National Golf Club.
Now, almost none are black.
Why?
— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) November 15, 2020
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You need to quit using Twitter. It sucked from day one, and it sucks worse now that it is wholeheartedly anti-American.
Wokeism is destroying decent opportunities for lower and middle class black males while creating good paying Commissar of Diversity jobs in HR for black females. And we all know how beneficial that trend has been for black Americans and the country as a whole.
How about the black jockey? Even if they weren’t riding in the big races, black jockey’s were big in training and caring for the horses. Guess it could be attributed to affirmative action, but it seems like the migration north also played a role. I don’t know what either job paid back in the day, but both required some smarts and common sense. Both are missing with many of today’s blacks. One of the many things that make me go “hmm?”.
Back then, a high school grad could make decent money at the slaughterhouses till the Mexicans ended up taking all those jobs. Now they are importing Somalis. The advertised wages aren't much higher than they were 30 years ago.
Asians are diminutive as well, but browns are more plentiful. Come to think of it, I never see Asians and horses in the same room.
Not just blacks, lower economic status whites have suffered. Two of greatest players of all time Ben Hogan and Byron Nelson started in the caddy barn.
Back around 1957 or 1958, they all joined the Old Negro Space Program. It was a different world.
Denigrating an entire race..in prime time:
Well it's about time! White men shouldn't have to bear that entire burden themselves!
Make that 100 years. (104 in Illinois.) Even in the dark, dark days of the '30s and '40s, women were voting more Republican than were men.
They don't even know the basics of history! And they're on TV!
Now back to reading the biography of Jeannette Rankin, who voted to keep those men out of "progressive" world wars...
They don’t have the time nor the energy because they are too busy….uh….servicing white girls who need to be satisfied.
Oh by the way they millions maga march was a failure yesterday and showed the world that trump supporters are pathetic violent racists. We will not forget this and when we win the senate we will use all the power at our disposal to shut down hate and concentrate on defending against the evils of white supremacy and Christian fundamentalism
No need to change your name.
Tiny Dick is still Tiny Dick,
By any other name.
Apologies to Eustace Tilly (not).Replies: @Reg Cæsar
You lay out your diabolical plan as if you were a Bond villain, and as if we didn't all know it anyway. You don't offer any kind of vision for why you think you are right, or we are wrong, because you don't really have one. It's all just about your team getting a big stick and beating the other team over the head with it. Once you had this power there would be nothing constructive you could ever envisage doing with it. Just an eternal victory dance over your enemies.
Even you seem to recognise that creating culture and creating civilisation would be beyond your ken. You must also realise that if you got what you wanted it would ultimately disappoint you. Why do you bother?
Why don’t they drive around on the buggies? These people can afford the rental fee.
Golf at its best is a social game played at a deliberate pace, with plenty of time to converse with the other members of the group while walking down the fairway (or sometimes hunting for a ball in the rough or woods).
That also gives you time to "feel" the next shot including the wind conditions and the slope of the terrain, all of which helps you get into the "zone".
Of course as a young man I carried my own clubs. Caddies were for "rich folks" who liked ordering other folks around.
I think you would have to look more at the background of the caddies to see where they come from.
I suspect, but I could be totally wrong, that they are often golf playing buddies from college who are good players themselves but not good enough to make the professional ranks, a rather than just hired muscle to do the donkey work of carrying the clubs.
In many cases the caddies are using yardage shots and discussing with the player what club to use, so there is a kind of potential for a caddy to be an on course consultant rather than just a two-legged mule.
I think that in the current game the top level players are willing to transport their caddies internationally, rather than hire local caddies at the destination location, which is an indication that they are considered to be part of the team and support system of the player.
Many decades ago I used to play golf, and I refused to get on golf carts.
Golf at its best is a social game played at a deliberate pace, with plenty of time to converse with the other members of the group while walking down the fairway (or sometimes hunting for a ball in the rough or woods).
That also gives you time to “feel” the next shot including the wind conditions and the slope of the terrain, all of which helps you get into the “zone”.
Of course as a young man I carried my own clubs. Caddies were for “rich folks” who liked ordering other folks around.
Well silver, gray, and white seem to be more popular choices than black for all cars these days, not just for Cadillacs.
Oh wait . . .
My understanding is that in the early years of the Masters Augusta National required the players to use the caddies already employed there. At some point they relented and permitted the pros to bring their own caddies, who had to wear the white jumpsuits used by the club caddies. I don’t know the racial makeup of the club caddies but they still exist. Of course they could use carts except that the PGA doesn’t permit them in events and Augusta National is so bound by tradition I doubt carts are allowed. I don’t see any cart paths there.
Augusta National allowed the pros to use their own caddies at the Masters tournament starting in 1983.
Nicklaus, Watson, and company had lobbied for years to end the mandatory use of a Augusta National caddies.
I will not post or link to the classic robot caddy joke!!!!!
A whole lot better exercise if you like.
Something vaguely offensive about this blog post.
1) More money at stake: Higher demands
Caddy must be able to competently handle the yardage book, the elevation and and windage adjustments, the issues of the lie and stance and at least be a good sounding board for the golfer–be able to sanity check his club choice. Provide the dialectic to arrive at a good decision.
2) More money at stake: Keep it in the family.
Those who are not elite professional caddies are often brothers or college golfing teamates/buddies, etc. Why give money to someone else when it can stay with family or friends?
3) Racism!
The black experience in America is the narrative justification for imposing minoritarianism on American whites. Having a black man do stuff for a white man is racist. It’s just not “comfortable” for most white people to be in superior-inferior (master-slave) sort of relationship with blacks. (Now, of course, it’s “racist” to ask blacks to do anything.) This minoritarian sensitivity costs a bunch of blacks personal service employment opportunities but … that’s “progress”.
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Re #2, i saw on Thursday Lee Westwood had a pretty cute girl caddying for him. Thought “that’s different”. Looked it up, she’s his girlfriend. Keeping it in the family.
the same reason there are no longer black maids and very few black waiters. Blacks hate “serving” white people and as soon as they had some freedom to leave these jobs, they did
Because the Masters used to require that competitors use its caddies. Then one year there was an issue where a caddie missed a tee time and the players revolted and demanded they be able to use a caddie of their choice. The players are choosing the white caddies, while the black caddies were forced upon them.
Whites get uncomfortable having blacks serve them. It either makes whites look racist or they imagine the blacks are secretly resenting it. Who needs that stress when you can just hire a hard working Mexican for less, anyway.Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jim Don Bob
At the top of the profession, the income for caddies rose, so there was more competition from Whites. Also, like in many professions, independent caddies declined as large caddy companies moved in to provide a resource pool of caddies to courses. Finally, powered carts reduced the total number of caddies required. Like many careers it is up or out.
According to Rick Reilly, players could start using their own caddies in 1983. This goes along with what Linnæus (v2.0) said in his Tweet, as he referenced 1980.
The population of the three counties around Augusta is about 30% black, and it’s a reasonable wager that roughly 45% of those in hourly positions in the service sector are black. Also, being a caddy is what you might call a ‘porting and carrying occupation’. Postal workers, delivery men, cab drivers &c are all occupations were a quarter of the workforce is black. Ditto personal service occupations e.g. barbers and home health aides. In an area with an ample black population like greater Augusta, it wouldn’t surprise me if a majority of those employed in such positions are black. You’d see what you saw if in 1980 the caddies were employees of Augusta National who lived locally, rather than employees of the player. I’m guessing that nowadays the caddies work for the players.
Johnson, who leads, uses his brother. McIlroy, a man hes known since 10 or so. Then 5 or 10 men with stellar reputations of being on the winning bag who circulate among the top players. Many of these are not American in this field of internationals.
Few blacks, or whites, can afford to spend the better part of the week out on the course for a decade to develop the kind of expertise required now.
It’s been a slow decline. We used to have this:
Now we have this:
With culture goes the automobile designs.
Gerard van der Leun at American Digest did a post on the 1960 Sedan de Ville: http://americandigest.org/never-again-nineteen-sixty-cadillac-6339-four-window-sedan-de-ville-at-the-gm-technical-center/
I'll post the last sentence of my comment to that post here, since it probably matches your intent:
"Today, what’s a Cadillac? We lost something when we lost that swagger that could redesign a car line in less than two years. Oh yes, cars are safer, more efficient, and reliable, but so is my refrigerator."Replies: @Mike Tre
The last golf tournament that required local caddies was The Western Open. Greg Norman and Seve threw a fit plus JC Snead had his caddy walk off the course because JC was an asshole to him. To be fair some of the local caddies were terrible but clubs with a good caddy program (Butler, Butterfield etc had top notch caddies, Ruth Lake not so much).
Augusta had local caddies out of noblesse oblige. It was a very good paying job in the months the club was open and the caddy generally got 10% of the winnings. Now the locals are angled out by bag rats.
Nowadays there is a nationwide group of older caddies that are excellent. These bag rats summer up north and winter in the south. Places like Bandon have caddies year-round. Also, immigration from Mexico and central America provides many great caddies. You can earn 100 to 200 a loop tax free.
Most your caddies on tour are either bag rats or former top amateurs who just didn’t make it as professionals.
If it is side bets, okay. If it is paid by clubs or players it should be reported to the IRS via 1099s or even W-2s (if wages).
Being from other countries isn't some tax free loophole. All earned (and most unearned) income from U.S. sources is legally taxable in the US irrespective of your citizenship (a few odd tax treaty exceptions aside.)
I would think all golf pros would need to report these to deduct them. Also the IRS isn't totally asleep on things like this. When not reported to the IRS it may end up being "tax free" but that's technically illegal if > $600.
Of course small amounts paid by amateurs and bets won don't get reported, though the IRS would say otherwise. Uncle Sam excels at stealing money from anyone working.Replies: @Hodag
Before COVID I’d go to St. Louis fairly frequently for family occasions. Was there last year with my son and we caught a Cardinals game- amazing party-like atmosphere outside the stadium with fans all dressed in red milling around the shops and food stands. Because St. Louis received a large influx of ‘48-er refugee German immigrants, it had the necessary highly-skilled craftsmen on hand to construct all those beautiful turn-of-the-century mansions still admired to this day (e.g. the mansion restored by that gun-waving lawyer couple recently menaced by a BLM mob). It also is still a very blonde city with a surprisingly large number of attractive women for its size (not saying it beats out NYC, LA, or Miami, but almost certainly does Cleveland, or Detroit, and probably ties the much bigger Houston).
Anyway, one of the perks of catching a Cardinals game is having negroes serve you cold drinks in the 80%+ summer humidity, an experience best appreciated while wearing a white linen suit. I kid, but it is true almost all the food and beverage vendors in Busch Stadium still (as of 2019) are black. My first job involved cleaning employee toilets so I do not look down on any honest work (those vendors rate higher in my book than, say, timeshare condo salesmen or tenured social science professors) so I make sure to give them a good-sized tip for schlepping 20 lb. of liquid refreshment in a try filled with 10 lb. of ice water just so I can enjoy watching a sportsball game.
That's mighty white of you!
Maybe Art Deco can do a statistical breakdown of the percentages of spit in those negro-served drinks. Quasi-white man and "author" James Ellroy caddied Los Angeles golf courses throughout the 1970s whilst creating the foundation of a literary career that descended into a legacy of giant, illiterate tomes. Whilst never achieving the celebrity golf status of our dear demiurge, Ellroy has gained critical success because he writes like a negro.Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
In contrast, lying for a living--the essential occupation of much or our media and professorial elite--is vile, worse than being a whore.
Those treys were heavy but it was better than most summer jobs.
Remember beers were 65 cents back then. We made 15% on what we sold so made about 10 cents a beer. Guess things are 10X or more now.
As an aside, I don’t recall a single black character in Caddyshack.
Rodney Dangerfield very funny. Think I read he ad libbed most of it.
https://clubhouse.swingu.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/BugEyes_Caddyshack1.gif
Granted, he had nothing to do with golf.
A caddy used to be just a guy who carried your bags. That was a low status, low paying job.
Today, many PGA caddies are like coaches, trainers, equipment managers and personal assistants wrapped into one. The top players pay their caddies a hundred grand a year AND give them a percentage of the prize money they win.Justin Thomas’ caddy may earn $600,000 this year.
The job has changed. It involves a lot more than just carrying clubs. The caddy may be your travel agent, trainer, gopher, accountant and virtual manager.
There was a good story in, I think, Sports Illustrated, some years back that had to do with this. Groid caddies for the Masters was a tradition, one that was not too big a problem back when the money wasn’t big, and the Masters, especially, wasn’t the megabucks high profilesports leviathan that it has become–it was more like the old Bing Crosby “clambake”–so they went with the groids.
As golf became more serious, golfers wanted their own caddies to caddy for them. Groid competence in anything is a fiction, based on BS and tall tales–plus the local groids might not show up, might be late, drunk, high–and as they got more openly uppity and obnoxious over the years, just weren’t worth it. To actually deal with groids is not to love them. As pro golf got more professional, there was no place for the boogies.
My favorite knigro caddy story happened in the 1950s at Burning Tree CC outside of DC–where our “elites” golf-it makes Augusta National look like a Greyhound station. Hell, a few years ago, a bomb threat was called in to Burning Tree, and the (all-male) club wouldn’t allow a female member of the police bomb squad on the premises. LOL.
Anyway, Ike was President then, and was a regular at Burning Tree, going out with other big shots. Eisenhower was an erratic putter, but would often benefit from sycophant suckup opponents conceding the putt without Ike having to putt it in (AKA a “gimmee”).
The groid caddies routinely bet on “their” players among themselves in secret. One day, Ike had a tricky 8 footer, and his opponent told him “It’s good, Mr. President”, giving him the putt. The opponent’s groid caddy, (who had money riding on the other guy) was appalled and, forgetting himself, shouted “It ain’t good by ME!”
Remember when Bill Clinton was President and was playing golf with Vernon Jordan? There was a huge media outcry about the fact that Jordan was driving the golf cart for Clinton! The next day they played, Clinton made sure he was the one driving Jordan. There is no pleasing these people 🙁
until 1983, all caddies in the Masters Tournament were black. Club co-founder Clifford Roberts once said, “As long as I’m alive, all the golfers will be white and all the caddies will be black.”.Roberts served as the Chairman of the Masters from 1934 until 1976. In 1983, chairman Hord Hardin announced that players were henceforth permitted to use their regular caddies at the Masters.
I seem to recall liberal sportswriters back in the 80s decried the “ugly” spectacle of black bodies doing grunt manual labor for white millionaires.
I can’t name the specific columnists but wouldn’t be surprised if their names were Koppett, Lupica and Kornheiser.
And so the black caddies disappeared from the pro game because white saviors resented them making $10,000 for 4 days’ work.
Augusta had local caddies out of noblesse oblige. It was a very good paying job in the months the club was open and the caddy generally got 10% of the winnings. Now the locals are angled out by bag rats.
Nowadays there is a nationwide group of older caddies that are excellent. These bag rats summer up north and winter in the south. Places like Bandon have caddies year-round. Also, immigration from Mexico and central America provides many great caddies. You can earn 100 to 200 a loop tax free.
Most your caddies on tour are either bag rats or former top amateurs who just didn't make it as professionals.Replies: @Bill in Glendale, @Muggles, @Bragadocious
I caddied in the ’64 and ’65 Western Opens as a teenager and couldn’t be nearly as sophisticated as the professional caddies on the tour now. Prize money became the difference for players having their own caddies who could travel to multiple events. In my years the top prize was just $11,000.
Read the article Steve links to in his tweet. It is surprisingly even handed in its coverage. I’m actually shocked at how well it is written and analyzed, since journalism now consists mostly of political screeds and half-truths done in the name of Science ™
Did you notice the author's name?
Not even Tiger has a black caddy. Sad.
I caddied at two local clubs in my youth. One was a nice-enough club and nice-enough course that has periodically hosted women’s tour and amateur events. The caddyship there was about 40% black. The other was a top-100 course that periodically hosts the PGA tour, has hosted majors and is slated to host a major. It had 2 black caddies out of a stable of ~50. The blacks seemed to be generally of working class or middle class backgrounds, but lacked college and sometimes high school degrees. The whites were of lower class backgrounds.
I will add that the former course was much more accessible to public transit from the nearby major metro. The latter was essentially unreachable by bus or train.
Both were great jobs, at least for someone in his teens. I imagine it to be hellish for the old timers still toting bags. But for a 16-year-old to make ~$30/hr (not counting wait times at the caddyshack) and be out in the sun, it was a winning proposition.
Is this balanced by the rise of the Hispanic jockey?
The only thing more boring than watching golf on the television is listening to golf on the radio. hehe. Never saw what anyone got out this game but it seems to be more of a status thing with upper class Whites and even some Blacks. Joe Louis, Lawrence Taylor, Michael Jordan just to name a few rich ex-Black athletes who loved this game. Golf or bowling? Hmm, my blue collar roots have me choosing bowling by a landslide.
Hey, Michael Jordan, you need a token White redneck for your caddie. Pay me, sucka, I ain’t got no shame in my game. 5oo dollars for each hole.
They do love their baseball, hockey and soccer — But based on my one experience with a night game in St Louis, I wouldn’t press my luck and hang around for long after all those blondes head back to the ‘burbs.
I was just thinking how this might be a rare year the NYT, USA Today etc. — distracted by the election — wasn’t trying to stir up the usual racism/sexism angles pre-Masters. Kind of like how the St Patrick’s Day parade in NYC was predictably preceded by angry gay kvetching.
Because modern blacks have a chip on their shoulder about taking any job that is seen as servile (other than “public service” jobs where they can display attitude without fear of consequences) they have missed out on many opportunities in the modern economy. Even when they do take such jobs, they don’t tend to succeed or last because (aside from the usual black issues with showing up on time, managing a business, etc.) they are afraid to be seen as “Uncle Toms” and compensate by being rude.
Aside from caddying, which is obviously a niche occupation, the giant opportunity that blacks have missed out on is the food and beverage industry. Blacks at one time in America were strongly associated with culinary skill. George Washington has a black (slave) chef. In the 19th century, white owned companies invented black characters (Uncle Ben, Aunt Jemima) to be the symbols of their products. Blacks could have taken this positive association and parlayed it into something but they didn’t want to have anything to do with the food business. Even in the ghettos the fried chicken restaurants are run by Afghans (“Kennedy Fried Chicken”).
I just listened to a podcast interview with Marcus Samuelsson, a black (Swedish-Ethiopian) chef who talked a little about this but got it completely wrong. He said “imagine if Nearest Green’s family had received a ten cent royalty on each bottle of Jack Daniel’s” (Nearest Green was JD’s black assistant). Not “imagine if Nearest Green had started his own distillery”. Blacks are always looking to collect a check without having to put in the hard work.
Did you bother to check the data on personal service jobs or food service jobs before you pulled that out of your ass? About 12% of the workforce is black. The proportion of those employed in the following occupations are black:
19.2%: Food servers, non-restaurant
18%: Cooks
16.1%: Dishwashers
13.2%: Food preparation workers
12.6%: Dining room and cafeteria attendants
18.2%: Janitors
17.4%: Maids
31.1%: Barbers
26.2%: Baggage porters
25.1%: Personal care aids
17.4%: Childcare workers
14.3%: Miscellaneous personal service
13.9%: Hairdressers
37.2%: Nurses aides (incl home health)
29.5%: Taxi drivers and chauffeursReplies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Trinity, @Jack D, @EdwardM
Black folk can cook some sho nuff good beans and greens, bbq,and sweet tater pie. I used to work with some Yankee girl from Massachusetts and she was married to a Black guy, go figure, anyhow, her husband would make the best sweet potato pies I ever had the pleasure of eating.Replies: @Jack D
Maybe they are too busy raping and torturing elderly women to death..
Caddy must be able to competently handle the yardage book, the elevation and and windage adjustments, the issues of the lie and stance and at least be a good sounding board for the golfer--be able to sanity check his club choice. Provide the dialectic to arrive at a good decision.
2) More money at stake: Keep it in the family.
Those who are not elite professional caddies are often brothers or college golfing teamates/buddies, etc. Why give money to someone else when it can stay with family or friends?
3) Racism!
The black experience in America is the narrative justification for imposing minoritarianism on American whites. Having a black man do stuff for a white man is racist. It's just not "comfortable" for most white people to be in superior-inferior (master-slave) sort of relationship with blacks. (Now, of course, it's "racist" to ask blacks to do anything.) This minoritarian sensitivity costs a bunch of blacks personal service employment opportunities but ... that's "progress".
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Re #2, i saw on Thursday Lee Westwood had a pretty cute girl caddying for him. Thought "that's different". Looked it up, she's his girlfriend. Keeping it in the family.Replies: @Henry's Cat
The net effect of the BLM movement will probably be to make things worse for your average and below average blacks, but as long as the mulatto elite benefit, it’ll continue apace.
They do of course, and like all sports every role has seen intense specialization as the stakes have risen.
Johnson, who leads, uses his brother. McIlroy, a man hes known since 10 or so. Then 5 or 10 men with stellar reputations of being on the winning bag who circulate among the top players. Many of these are not American in this field of internationals.
Few blacks, or whites, can afford to spend the better part of the week out on the course for a decade to develop the kind of expertise required now.
My top five reasons for the decline of the black caddie….
(1) The obvious one is the early-1980s change to allow players to bring their own caddies instead of using the Augusta ones. Since the Augusta caddies were just poor blacks from the local area, they were probably not very good caddies compared to pros’ usual caddies, despite their familiarity with the course.
(2) Media: the TV people couldn’t stand to broadcast the tournament with black caddies serving mostly-white players. This is probably a major reason for the rule change in the 1980s.
(3) Membership: the members are just our upperclass scum, like Bill Gates. They were scandalized/embarrassed by black caddies.
(5) iSteve-y reason: upper-middle-class whites brought in immigrant Hispanic caddies to displace the black caddies.
And the top reason…
(5) Opportunity cost: why caddy in Georgia with all that sweet looting going on in northern metro areas?
As an aside, my first year as a looper (not a term we used, although a golfer was referred to as a 'loop') was the first year members were allowed to wear shorts on the course.It was a job- you had to be there 6 days a week or you were fired. And, most of us were good caddies- knew the course, its ins an outs, yardages; and this at a time when there wasn't much on-course marking of distance, and NO GPS. Most of us quit caddying when we turned 16 and could get a 'real' job; although many of us would get called back for special tournaments from time to time.I remember in 1970 that we were given the opportunity to caddy at the US Open at Hazeltine: one had to sell a certain number of tickets to be eligible. I didn't make it. I once read an article by that unctuous fraud Tom Friedman, who caddied at Minneapolis GC, about how he caddied for Chi Chi Rodriguez in 1970. Given the general run of the rest of his 'journalism' I'd probably want to go back and check to see if he actually did.
? Blacks don’t work anymore.
We use Hispanics now. You know that, Steve.
Walking the course if part of the challenge and keeps older golfers from hanging around too long. Look up the history of Casey Martin.
If one attend a tournament that is not a major, one can get very close to the players/caddies. One can hear all of the discussions of clubs, distances, slopes, and aim points. It is one of the joys of attending a tournament in person.
Because modern blacks have a chip on their shoulder about taking any job that is seen as servile…Aside from caddying, which is obviously a niche occupation, the giant opportunity that blacks have missed out on is the food and beverage industry.
Did you bother to check the data on personal service jobs or food service jobs before you pulled that out of your ass? About 12% of the workforce is black. The proportion of those employed in the following occupations are black:
19.2%: Food servers, non-restaurant
18%: Cooks
16.1%: Dishwashers
13.2%: Food preparation workers
12.6%: Dining room and cafeteria attendants
18.2%: Janitors
17.4%: Maids
31.1%: Barbers
26.2%: Baggage porters
25.1%: Personal care aids
17.4%: Childcare workers
14.3%: Miscellaneous personal service
13.9%: Hairdressers
37.2%: Nurses aides (incl home health)
29.5%: Taxi drivers and chauffeurs
Shame on you, Art. You're too talented to work blue. Thanks for the compilation of mind-numbing statistics, btw.
Work is work, not too proud for anything but expect a fair wage as well. Hardest jobs that I ever had were minimum wage jobs. Never had a "position" and always had a job, so I have no idea what White Privilege is nor do I have any idea what making 6 or more figures a year for basically doing nuffin is about.
You are not distinguishing between the public and the private sector. Of the 13.2% of food preparation workers who are black, how many work in school, hospital and prison cafeterias, etc.? Go to any high end restaurant kitchen and you will see a white or Asian chef and mostly Latinos doing everything else. Blacks are rare because they don't have the work ethic that is needed. Also, while the black % in food related occupations is not less than their % of the population, neither is it much greater. At one time blacks would have been the majority of these occupations.Replies: @Art Deco, @Henry's Cat
“Blacks are always looking to collect a check without having to put in the hard work”
Blacks will gladly return to “hard work” when fragile whiteness completes its work ending systemic racism.
Did you bother to check the data on personal service jobs or food service jobs before you pulled that out of your ass? About 12% of the workforce is black. The proportion of those employed in the following occupations are black:
19.2%: Food servers, non-restaurant
18%: Cooks
16.1%: Dishwashers
13.2%: Food preparation workers
12.6%: Dining room and cafeteria attendants
18.2%: Janitors
17.4%: Maids
31.1%: Barbers
26.2%: Baggage porters
25.1%: Personal care aids
17.4%: Childcare workers
14.3%: Miscellaneous personal service
13.9%: Hairdressers
37.2%: Nurses aides (incl home health)
29.5%: Taxi drivers and chauffeursReplies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Trinity, @Jack D, @EdwardM
“pulled that out of your ass”
Shame on you, Art. You’re too talented to work blue. Thanks for the compilation of mind-numbing statistics, btw.
Imagine you’re hiring for any low skill job: Gardener, roofer, maid, nanny…and your choices were a small, servile, personable hard-working Mexican, or a large, agressesive, aggrieved Black. Immigration has destroyed the labor market for unskilled blacks. Not that they did themselves any favors along the way.
Are you familiar with the story of Frank Lloyd Wright’s black cook? Synopsis: He killed Frank’s wife and children and set fire to Frank’s house. Today Frank would hire Juan…
The victims were Wright's live-in girlfriend Mamah Cheney , her two children, and four other household workers. Wright was away at the time. The crazy servant, Julian Carlton, swallowed acid but initially survived. He spent weeks in a jail cell in agony, his esophagus and stomach destroyed, until he died of starvation.
Why do you think the CDC in Atlanta is so incompetent.
Kandahar Fried Chicken
“so I make sure to give them a good-sized tip for schlepping 20 lb. of liquid ”
That’s mighty white of you!
Blacks can sho nuff cook some good Southern cuisine aka “soul food,” which they learned how to cook from White Southerners. I laugh every time I see some Black cook on a cooking show bragging about “soul food” and acting as if only Blacks eat collard greens, fried catfish, pinto beans and cornbread, sweet potato pie, barbecue, etc.
Black folk can cook some sho nuff good beans and greens, bbq,and sweet tater pie. I used to work with some Yankee girl from Massachusetts and she was married to a Black guy, go figure, anyhow, her husband would make the best sweet potato pies I ever had the pleasure of eating.
I know that during the early eighties quite a bit of the extra labor needed during the Masters came from Ft. Gordon “volunteers.”
Did you bother to check the data on personal service jobs or food service jobs before you pulled that out of your ass? About 12% of the workforce is black. The proportion of those employed in the following occupations are black:
19.2%: Food servers, non-restaurant
18%: Cooks
16.1%: Dishwashers
13.2%: Food preparation workers
12.6%: Dining room and cafeteria attendants
18.2%: Janitors
17.4%: Maids
31.1%: Barbers
26.2%: Baggage porters
25.1%: Personal care aids
17.4%: Childcare workers
14.3%: Miscellaneous personal service
13.9%: Hairdressers
37.2%: Nurses aides (incl home health)
29.5%: Taxi drivers and chauffeursReplies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Trinity, @Jack D, @EdwardM
Hmm, of that list, this “wite boy” has been a janitor, and a dishwasher. The first two jobs that I ever had. Gawd, I lasted about a month as a dishwasher in the late Seventies at some restaurant. Back then, that was a hard ass job, no idea what is like today. Was a janitor at a combination disco/bowling alley. Helluva combination but we are talking 1979 here and “Blondes Have More Fun,” Cue: Rod Stewart’s “Da Ya Think I’m Sexy.”
Work is work, not too proud for anything but expect a fair wage as well. Hardest jobs that I ever had were minimum wage jobs. Never had a “position” and always had a job, so I have no idea what White Privilege is nor do I have any idea what making 6 or more figures a year for basically doing nuffin is about.
“… perks … negroes serve you cold drinks …”
Maybe Art Deco can do a statistical breakdown of the percentages of spit in those negro-served drinks. Quasi-white man and “author” James Ellroy caddied Los Angeles golf courses throughout the 1970s whilst creating the foundation of a literary career that descended into a legacy of giant, illiterate tomes. Whilst never achieving the celebrity golf status of our dear demiurge, Ellroy has gained critical success because he writes like a negro.
Did you bother to check the data on personal service jobs or food service jobs before you pulled that out of your ass? About 12% of the workforce is black. The proportion of those employed in the following occupations are black:
19.2%: Food servers, non-restaurant
18%: Cooks
16.1%: Dishwashers
13.2%: Food preparation workers
12.6%: Dining room and cafeteria attendants
18.2%: Janitors
17.4%: Maids
31.1%: Barbers
26.2%: Baggage porters
25.1%: Personal care aids
17.4%: Childcare workers
14.3%: Miscellaneous personal service
13.9%: Hairdressers
37.2%: Nurses aides (incl home health)
29.5%: Taxi drivers and chauffeursReplies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Trinity, @Jack D, @EdwardM
What % of restaurants are black owned? What packaged food or beverage brands are owned by blacks?
You are not distinguishing between the public and the private sector. Of the 13.2% of food preparation workers who are black, how many work in school, hospital and prison cafeterias, etc.? Go to any high end restaurant kitchen and you will see a white or Asian chef and mostly Latinos doing everything else. Blacks are rare because they don’t have the work ethic that is needed. Also, while the black % in food related occupations is not less than their % of the population, neither is it much greater. At one time blacks would have been the majority of these occupations.
First you were complaining blacks won't take service jobs (which is not only wrong, but kooky-wrong), then you complain they're not opening their own businesses. You must be a gem to work for.
You are not distinguishing between the public and the private sector. Of the 13.2% of food preparation workers who are black, how many work in school, hospital and prison cafeterias, etc.?
I didn't distinguish between them because whether they work in the public sector or not (and hospitals are not typically public sector enterprises - quit playing games) is irrelevant to your main point and only tangentially relevant to your secondary point. It's not my job, by the way, to be your research assistant. If you want to make an argument about public sector food service workers, collect the bloody data yourself (if you can locate it).Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @William Badwhite
But Art Deco is correct that this is a somewhat different point than your original one, about blacks not caring for servile roles, which I think applies more to men than women.
I caddied at Congressional summers of ’66 and ’67. 7am to 8pm. All black except myself and two travelers. Your wage was your tip so everyone was attentive. Blacks were savy in attending to golfers who were playing for money, sometimes serious money. But I don’t think they were up to what professionals expect of caddies now.
Well said Abe. No shame in any honest labor. Any working man or woman can take pride in that and hold their head high.
In contrast, lying for a living–the essential occupation of much or our media and professorial elite–is vile, worse than being a whore.
You are not distinguishing between the public and the private sector. Of the 13.2% of food preparation workers who are black, how many work in school, hospital and prison cafeterias, etc.? Go to any high end restaurant kitchen and you will see a white or Asian chef and mostly Latinos doing everything else. Blacks are rare because they don't have the work ethic that is needed. Also, while the black % in food related occupations is not less than their % of the population, neither is it much greater. At one time blacks would have been the majority of these occupations.Replies: @Art Deco, @Henry's Cat
What % of restaurants are black owned? What packaged food or beverage brands are owned by blacks?
First you were complaining blacks won’t take service jobs (which is not only wrong, but kooky-wrong), then you complain they’re not opening their own businesses. You must be a gem to work for.
You are not distinguishing between the public and the private sector. Of the 13.2% of food preparation workers who are black, how many work in school, hospital and prison cafeterias, etc.?
I didn’t distinguish between them because whether they work in the public sector or not (and hospitals are not typically public sector enterprises – quit playing games) is irrelevant to your main point and only tangentially relevant to your secondary point. It’s not my job, by the way, to be your research assistant. If you want to make an argument about public sector food service workers, collect the bloody data yourself (if you can locate it).
As it so happens, the topic of golf came up this weekend in AR’s thread about the new crisis of the lack of black catchers in baseball.
It is definitely true that Tiger Woods didn’t generate a lot of black “Tiger Babies” in the sport. But, on a continent far away and a time long ago, with a way different me, it came to be one day that I played a round at a club near Vegas with the club’s assistant pro, a young black guy in his mid-20s. I could do the math, and he indeed did admit, that he himself was a Tiger Baby. At that time, he had been trying to crack onto a pro tour, did the whole Q-school hassle, but didn’t make it. I don’t know if he ever did.
One productive thing that eventually came from those eighteen that afternoon is that I talked him into talking his father into taking Chobani yogurt off the shelves of his stores.
Is there something about this particular brand of yogurt we should know?
Also, if your black (Black!) caddy had a father who owned stores selling food products, that would also be an outlier situation w/ respect to black owned/run businesses.Replies: @Jack D, @J.Ross
Not long ago I saw an article bemoaning the fact that few jockeys are black. I guess at one time many were black and then came the infux of hispanic jockies. Thing is these hispanics are smaller in body size while the blacks out grew the saddle, but, it sounds better to claim racism.
Augusta had local caddies out of noblesse oblige. It was a very good paying job in the months the club was open and the caddy generally got 10% of the winnings. Now the locals are angled out by bag rats.
Nowadays there is a nationwide group of older caddies that are excellent. These bag rats summer up north and winter in the south. Places like Bandon have caddies year-round. Also, immigration from Mexico and central America provides many great caddies. You can earn 100 to 200 a loop tax free.
Most your caddies on tour are either bag rats or former top amateurs who just didn't make it as professionals.Replies: @Bill in Glendale, @Muggles, @Bragadocious
I hate to be ‘that’ guy, but where do you get the idea that caddies from south of the border somehow get “tax free” money for doing that work? Or any different than US citizen/Green Card folks?
If it is side bets, okay. If it is paid by clubs or players it should be reported to the IRS via 1099s or even W-2s (if wages).
Being from other countries isn’t some tax free loophole. All earned (and most unearned) income from U.S. sources is legally taxable in the US irrespective of your citizenship (a few odd tax treaty exceptions aside.)
I would think all golf pros would need to report these to deduct them. Also the IRS isn’t totally asleep on things like this. When not reported to the IRS it may end up being “tax free” but that’s technically illegal if > $600.
Of course small amounts paid by amateurs and bets won don’t get reported, though the IRS would say otherwise. Uncle Sam excels at stealing money from anyone working.
First you were complaining blacks won't take service jobs (which is not only wrong, but kooky-wrong), then you complain they're not opening their own businesses. You must be a gem to work for.
You are not distinguishing between the public and the private sector. Of the 13.2% of food preparation workers who are black, how many work in school, hospital and prison cafeterias, etc.?
I didn't distinguish between them because whether they work in the public sector or not (and hospitals are not typically public sector enterprises - quit playing games) is irrelevant to your main point and only tangentially relevant to your secondary point. It's not my job, by the way, to be your research assistant. If you want to make an argument about public sector food service workers, collect the bloody data yourself (if you can locate it).Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @William Badwhite
I think you won this debate!
Jim Colbert provides a clue:
I won eight tournaments, and 20 more as a senior. But I always wanted to win a major, and my best chance came in 1974 at the Masters. I started the back nine on Sunday in the lead or maybe a shot or two back. I missed about a three-foot putt for birdie on No. 10 but came back with a nice drive on the 11th. I was ready to pull my 5-iron for my second shot when I decided to consult with my caddie, a local guy.
“Well, Washington, what do you think?” I asked.
“I think the putt you just missed is the one we needed to win,” he said.
I told Washington to put the bag down and walk back to the clubhouse. We fought for a while because he refused to leave. Finally I decided to just make the best of it.
My favorite part is the prize money he won, spoilered so you can guess
71 US Open: $9,000
74 Masters: $10,833
Slightly OT, but still sports related. There is an HBO show called “The Cost of Winning.” Follows the fooball team at Baltimore’s nearly all black Catholic HS, St.Francis Academy. SFA has existed since 1828, founded by a black nun to teach black youths to read the bible. The team had been playing in the Maryland Independent Athletic Assoc. until a number of teams decided not to play them for safety reasons. Of course the premise of the show is, even thought SFA recruits from out of district and state, the reason the other teams forfeit is RACISM. I watched with an open mind and when you see that this one HS team has 14 D-I commit seniors, you understand that you are basically playing a D-I team. Hard to play them when your team has HS sophmores, juniors and senior starters who aren’t going to play football in college, let alone at Alabama, LSU, Clemson and Michigan. Coach is a wealthy white, Biff Poggi, who comes from a family of wealth. Spends heavily on the team, as is his right, and then says the team is disadvantaged. Players may be disadvantaged, but the team is well supplied.
It is definitely true that Tiger Woods didn't generate a lot of black "Tiger Babies" in the sport. But, on a continent far away and a time long ago, with a way different me, it came to be one day that I played a round at a club near Vegas with the club's assistant pro, a young black guy in his mid-20s. I could do the math, and he indeed did admit, that he himself was a Tiger Baby. At that time, he had been trying to crack onto a pro tour, did the whole Q-school hassle, but didn't make it. I don't know if he ever did.
One productive thing that eventually came from those eighteen that afternoon is that I talked him into talking his father into taking Chobani yogurt off the shelves of his stores.Replies: @Muggles
Since the iSteve commentating section is where a number of odd/useful tidbits of information appear, and sometimes pay for the time spent reading it, this last comment of yours seems to beg for further explanation.
Is there something about this particular brand of yogurt we should know?
Also, if your black (Black!) caddy had a father who owned stores selling food products, that would also be an outlier situation w/ respect to black owned/run businesses.
The other day I bought a jar of tahini (sesame paste) and I noticed on the label it said it was made in "E. Israel". I had to think about this a while before it occurred to me that this must be a euphemism for the West Bank (the West Bank is west of the River Jordan but east of Israel proper). I won't tell you the brand or where I bought it lest the nutcases try to push the vendor not to stock it.Replies: @J.Ross
I don’t know anything about golf, but I would guess the black caddy went the way of the black shoeshine guy or the black maid.
Whites get uncomfortable having blacks serve them. It either makes whites look racist or they imagine the blacks are secretly resenting it. Who needs that stress when you can just hire a hard working Mexican for less, anyway.
One reason our elites love mass low-skill Latino immigration is that good-whites get to have their "step-'n'-fetch-it" without being "racist".Replies: @Art Deco
"A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee," the former president told the liberal lion from Massachusetts, according to the gossipy new campaign book, "Game Change."
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bill-clinton-told-ted-kennedy-obama-coffee-years-game-change-article-1.197492
I was also going to mention jockeys. For a long time jockeys of Kentucky derby winners were black. It’s a dangerous job requiring plenty of skill and dedication (to keep the weight off).
Are you familiar with the story of Frank Lloyd Wright’s black cook? Synopsis: He killed Frank’s wife and children and set fire to Frank’s house.
The victims were Wright’s live-in girlfriend Mamah Cheney , her two children, and four other household workers. Wright was away at the time. The crazy servant, Julian Carlton, swallowed acid but initially survived. He spent weeks in a jail cell in agony, his esophagus and stomach destroyed, until he died of starvation.
OT:
Check it out. If you type Biden Administration in the Google search window, the first and only suggested completion is Biden Administration H1B. What’s up with that?
All of a sudden there are a bunch of Indians who want to know where they stand? Or a bunch of Americans who are afraid their going to get the chop?
Also, I like how the search window now has a notice at the bottom: “Report inappropriate predictions”
Oh by the way they millions maga march was a failure yesterday and showed the world that trump supporters are pathetic violent racists. We will not forget this and when we win the senate we will use all the power at our disposal to shut down hate and concentrate on defending against the evils of white supremacy and Christian fundamentalismReplies: @Whitney, @Verymuchalive, @al gore rhythms
You’re boring
Completely OT:
During a lecture on what actually did in the Germans on the Soviet front, we have a footnote of diversity in the Wehrmacht giving Zerious Problem!:
39:54
Furthermore, that Trump supporter meeting in taxpayer-supported D.C. Swamp Central was a real “Southern Comfort” style event, eh?
You are not distinguishing between the public and the private sector. Of the 13.2% of food preparation workers who are black, how many work in school, hospital and prison cafeterias, etc.? Go to any high end restaurant kitchen and you will see a white or Asian chef and mostly Latinos doing everything else. Blacks are rare because they don't have the work ethic that is needed. Also, while the black % in food related occupations is not less than their % of the population, neither is it much greater. At one time blacks would have been the majority of these occupations.Replies: @Art Deco, @Henry's Cat
I wuld venture less than 1% in my British neck of the woods. The odd Caribbean take-away, usually Jamaican, seeling jerk chicken, patties, rice and peas. They seem to have a steady clientele, but in the more competitive world of fried chicken, pizzas, kebabs, etc, they’re practically non-existent.
But Art Deco is correct that this is a somewhat different point than your original one, about blacks not caring for servile roles, which I think applies more to men than women.
it was a different time, you understand. 1957, or 58.
in the early days of the space program, NASA was whites only.
…in 1957, if you were black, and if you were an astronaut – you were out of a job.
OT: The Conservative Treehouse just got deplatformed by WordPress. They have interesting content, but they are about as milk toast on the usual deplatforming suspects (race, Israel) as a conservative can be. The Purge intensifies. If you’re one of the ones on here that didn’t vote for Trump for “reasons” – thanks!
It's strange. I was expecting deplatforming to come way back in the mid-2000s. But it has not been really felt until relatively recently.
2016 - removal of ICANN from US oversight by Obama
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICANN
2017 - Breitbart and firing of Katie McHugh. Breitbart has become increasingly more like how Fox News used to be.
2019 - 8chan removal. And similarly, 4chan /pol is active, but now spammed with slide threads.
2020 - Twitter and the censorship of Donald Trump. Of course, deplatforming of rightists has been going on for quite a while now.
2020 - reddit the_donald deplatforming. In reality, soon after the election it became controlled by Jews AFAICT. They had turned from basically a /pol outpost into almost a freeper type place, extolling the virtues of based black men and Asian women etc. *yawn*
2020 - Conservative treehouse deplatforming. The site has some good content, in between annoying open threads with a prayer and the same soldier-on-guard-at-war-memorial pic.
Somewhere in there, Drudge became anti-Trump.
I wonder how long unz.com, Gateway Pundit etc. are going to last.
On the other hand, the likes of instapundit.com have gone significantly rightward. I remember back in early 2000s when Glenn Reynolds was unpersoning Steve, I seem to remember it had something to do with a black in-law that Glenn had. How things have changed over the last couple decades.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/36467/
The one thing is that try though they might to eliminate their representation, they are having difficulty erasing the still relatively large numbers of white people who form the basis of support.
I note there is some interesting stuff at the moment about the election challenge. Giuliani is no fool, and after 9/11 events, he is one very connected man. Trump is fortunate to have him onside.
Black folk can cook some sho nuff good beans and greens, bbq,and sweet tater pie. I used to work with some Yankee girl from Massachusetts and she was married to a Black guy, go figure, anyhow, her husband would make the best sweet potato pies I ever had the pleasure of eating.Replies: @Jack D
Historically, the difference between white Southern cuisine and “soul food” is that white people literally ate “high on the hog” – white people ate hams and chops and so on while blacks ate the trotters and the tails and the other off cuts. Whites could eat bread made with wheat flour and baked in an oven but blacks would eat bread made from corn meal and baked in a skillet. But after the Civil War there were a lot of poor white people in the South who ate no better than blacks.
Still, the only thing I love better than a fried catfish, cheese grits, field peas, and hush puppies dinner is a good T-Bone or porterhouse or maybe some steamed crabs. Oh, and you have to dress up that catfish dinner with sliced lemons, sweet and dill pickles and Vidalia onions on the side. I could be a billionaire and I would eat the same. Simple tastes for me.Replies: @Alice in Wonderland
I’m so glad Mr. Sailer is addressing the pressing issues of the day.
Oh by the way they millions maga march was a failure yesterday and showed the world that trump supporters are pathetic violent racists. We will not forget this and when we win the senate we will use all the power at our disposal to shut down hate and concentrate on defending against the evils of white supremacy and Christian fundamentalismReplies: @Whitney, @Verymuchalive, @al gore rhythms
Tiny, Tiny.
No need to change your name.
Tiny Dick is still Tiny Dick,
By any other name.
Apologies to Eustace Tilly (not).
Is there something about this particular brand of yogurt we should know?
Also, if your black (Black!) caddy had a father who owned stores selling food products, that would also be an outlier situation w/ respect to black owned/run businesses.Replies: @Jack D, @J.Ross
Apparently the Turkish guy who started Chobani hires refugees and some people think this is bad. Personally I pick products based on their quality and I leave it to Leftists to put a political spin on every aspect of their life.
The other day I bought a jar of tahini (sesame paste) and I noticed on the label it said it was made in “E. Israel”. I had to think about this a while before it occurred to me that this must be a euphemism for the West Bank (the West Bank is west of the River Jordan but east of Israel proper). I won’t tell you the brand or where I bought it lest the nutcases try to push the vendor not to stock it.
Oh by the way they millions maga march was a failure yesterday and showed the world that trump supporters are pathetic violent racists. We will not forget this and when we win the senate we will use all the power at our disposal to shut down hate and concentrate on defending against the evils of white supremacy and Christian fundamentalismReplies: @Whitney, @Verymuchalive, @al gore rhythms
These kind of comments are all the same because you kind of people are all the same.
You lay out your diabolical plan as if you were a Bond villain, and as if we didn’t all know it anyway. You don’t offer any kind of vision for why you think you are right, or we are wrong, because you don’t really have one. It’s all just about your team getting a big stick and beating the other team over the head with it. Once you had this power there would be nothing constructive you could ever envisage doing with it. Just an eternal victory dance over your enemies.
Even you seem to recognise that creating culture and creating civilisation would be beyond your ken. You must also realise that if you got what you wanted it would ultimately disappoint you. Why do you bother?
Well, that sure describes my ancestors, who were pretty much not much better off than Blacks. That is why I laugh when people talk about Blacks picking cotton, there were Whites out there as well. The thing is that collard and turnip greens are so damn good for you. Kind of ironic that some of the less desirable food that the rich picked over builds better bodies. haha. I am still trying figure out what is so special about beans and rice that make Mexicans such hard workers and good fighters. hehe.
Still, the only thing I love better than a fried catfish, cheese grits, field peas, and hush puppies dinner is a good T-Bone or porterhouse or maybe some steamed crabs. Oh, and you have to dress up that catfish dinner with sliced lemons, sweet and dill pickles and Vidalia onions on the side. I could be a billionaire and I would eat the same. Simple tastes for me.
Not just whites, but barefooted white children.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e0/ee/a4/e0eea46c0cc98ba592d05f29fcece8c1--picking-cotton-cotton-fields.jpg
Everybody picked cotton because you had to pick it as soon as you could before it rained and got ruined.
Everyone picked cotton until a cotton picking machine was invented.
The other day I bought a jar of tahini (sesame paste) and I noticed on the label it said it was made in "E. Israel". I had to think about this a while before it occurred to me that this must be a euphemism for the West Bank (the West Bank is west of the River Jordan but east of Israel proper). I won't tell you the brand or where I bought it lest the nutcases try to push the vendor not to stock it.Replies: @J.Ross
It couldn’t have stood for “eretz”? I think a settler would just call it “Israel.” They already have a creative version, using biblical names.
Augusta had local caddies out of noblesse oblige. It was a very good paying job in the months the club was open and the caddy generally got 10% of the winnings. Now the locals are angled out by bag rats.
Nowadays there is a nationwide group of older caddies that are excellent. These bag rats summer up north and winter in the south. Places like Bandon have caddies year-round. Also, immigration from Mexico and central America provides many great caddies. You can earn 100 to 200 a loop tax free.
Most your caddies on tour are either bag rats or former top amateurs who just didn't make it as professionals.Replies: @Bill in Glendale, @Muggles, @Bragadocious
I’ve played a bit on some swanky private courses and have yet to see significant Hispanic penetration in the caddy ranks. (the maintenance crews are another story) The last private course I played at–where you had to take a caddy–there were more black Jamaicans than anyone who could be identified as Hispanic. In all, about half the caddies were black and the other half white high schoolers. The black caddies tended to be much older, in their 40s. This was their career. Some were excellent greens readers.
Yup, same for me. Insane that we’re importing caddies.
Is there something about this particular brand of yogurt we should know?
Also, if your black (Black!) caddy had a father who owned stores selling food products, that would also be an outlier situation w/ respect to black owned/run businesses.Replies: @Jack D, @J.Ross
Chobani = Merkelboner.
I dared visit the stadium while passing through town one random Sunday night when the Cards were on the road. But instead of a dead downtown, there was no room to park within a mile.
The sign explained it all: “Budweiser presents the Rolling Stones”. Evidently there was no open container statute in the city, judging by the ticketless crowd ringing the arena.
Baseball and soccer rarely coexist, as they have too much in common. St Louis is a glaring exception. It’s long been the best city in the US for both sports.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Soccer_League
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1327648458115780610Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Wade Hampton, @Reg Cæsar
white women have taken an active role in the maintenance of white supremacy
Well it’s about time! White men shouldn’t have to bear that entire burden themselves!
Where can you get those? I need one for the lawn.
Oh wait . . .Replies: @Percy Gryce
Exactly. I read just the headline and forgot about Steve’s golf obsession–and thus thought we were talking about dark-colored luxury automobiles.
The guy in the clubhouse who scuffs up Judge Smails’ golf shoes.
Joe, I QB’d for a small private HS, so against the large public schools, we’d play their Soph team. We go over to Emeryville to play all-black Emery High, and their guys look awfully big. Their coach says, “the sophomore team ain’t ready, so you gonna play our varsity.” I got a concussion in that game.
Funny movie! They showed a black guy poloshing shoes. Maybe shoes of the Judge running the club. The guy was mad at him and made the sparks fly.
Rodney Dangerfield very funny. Think I read he ad libbed most of it.
Former white beer vendor at Shea Stadium in NY back in the 70’s.
Those treys were heavy but it was better than most summer jobs.
Remember beers were 65 cents back then. We made 15% on what we sold so made about 10 cents a beer. Guess things are 10X or more now.
Yeah, dump Twatter & switch to Parler.
As no show jobs go, it’s pretty much a non-starter.
This classic scene must have slipped your mind.
Starting around 1965, rich Americans fired blacks and replaced them with Mexicans, because they found these to be cheaper and less ‘uppity’ and likely to unionize etc.
Yeah, really.
https://vdare.com/letters/an-engineer-in-alabama-says-blacks-aren-t-victims-of-systemic-racism-but-just-hardest-hit-by-mass-mexican-immigration
And after the rich had destroyed the ability of blue collar blacks to earn a decent living, they cried a river of crocodile tears about how terrible black unemployment was and aren’t all those white hicks driving pickup trucks with confederate flags so deplorable?
And then the rich gave affirmative action status to Mexicans, to make it even easier for them to fire blacks and replace them with Mexicans (or whatever), and boast about how enlightened they are.
I’m old enough to remember when janitors and meat packers and caddies were often black – and for a while after the end of official discrimination, they were starting to get pretty decent pay and benefits. Can’t have that now can we! Fire them, replace them with third-world refugees, and crow about how wonderful the rich are for bringing us ‘diversity’ and ramming it down our throats.
Per capita income among blacks is about 70% of that of the general population. IIRC, the ratio in 1960 was about 55%. Since north of 3/4 of the black workforce are in hourly jobs, I think blue collar blacks are making a living.
Maybe Art Deco can do a statistical breakdown of the percentages of spit in those negro-served drinks. Quasi-white man and "author" James Ellroy caddied Los Angeles golf courses throughout the 1970s whilst creating the foundation of a literary career that descended into a legacy of giant, illiterate tomes. Whilst never achieving the celebrity golf status of our dear demiurge, Ellroy has gained critical success because he writes like a negro.Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
I’ve always preferred the filmed version of LA Confidential (1997) to the novel.
Sorry for another OT, but this is potentially good news:
https://thepointnews.uk/2020/11/15/biden-campaign-director-arrested-for-electoral-fraud/
What do you mean by this? Overlapping fanbase? Both boring to watch? Player demographics skew white?
That's why only one of the three tends to take hold in a country:https://blog.richmond.edu/livesofmaps/files/2017/10/World-Map-showing-popular-sports.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Mapa-deportes-esp.pngNote the ambiguity of Korea on the two maps.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/G5G3W1/black-cadillac-eldorado-seville-G5G3W1.jpg
Now we have this:
http://www.limotions.com/wp-content/uploads/cadillac-escalade-black-front.jpg
With culture goes the automobile designs.Replies: @mmack
Don’t know what your second picture was (it doesn’t show) but the 1960 Coupe de Ville looks sharp.
Gerard van der Leun at American Digest did a post on the 1960 Sedan de Ville: http://americandigest.org/never-again-nineteen-sixty-cadillac-6339-four-window-sedan-de-ville-at-the-gm-technical-center/
I’ll post the last sentence of my comment to that post here, since it probably matches your intent:
“Today, what’s a Cadillac? We lost something when we lost that swagger that could redesign a car line in less than two years. Oh yes, cars are safer, more efficient, and reliable, but so is my refrigerator.”
Wasn’t Corn Pop a caddy?
I don’t know anything about golf. But 30 years ago I lived in the middle of Kentucky horse country. The Hispanics, back then mainly Mexicans, were already taking over all the “blue collar” jobs on the horse farms. Before the tobacco quota system was ended in the mid 90’s, they had taken most of the tobacco jobs and were making in roads into the slaughter houses. I knew lots of blue collar white guys would take their vacations from their regular jobs to work the tobacco fields during cutting season.
Back then, a high school grad could make decent money at the slaughterhouses till the Mexicans ended up taking all those jobs. Now they are importing Somalis. The advertised wages aren’t much higher than they were 30 years ago.
Whites get uncomfortable having blacks serve them. It either makes whites look racist or they imagine the blacks are secretly resenting it. Who needs that stress when you can just hire a hard working Mexican for less, anyway.Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jim Don Bob
I’ve said it many times, but claim no insight–it’s obvious:
One reason our elites love mass low-skill Latino immigration is that good-whites get to have their “step-‘n’-fetch-it” without being “racist”.
One curio the Bureau of Labor Statistics tracks is the number of private household cooks. I have to figure they do that because it used to be a great deal more common than it is today to employ such a person. There are currently fewer than 400 employed at that trade.
There are about 600,000 landscaping and groundskeeping employees who are employed looking after households and miscellaneous commercial buildings. A great many of them are employed at workplaces and a great many of the remainder are working for commercial landscaping services (which have been common for 50 years or more).
A good caddie who regularly works the same golf courses within his geographical reach also offers lots of good advice to golfers who infrequently play on any given course. It’s not simply a “step ‘n’ fetch it” proposition.
I remember when all of the lawn jockeys were black. What happened?
That’s not true. Prior to the Civil War the South was an agricultural society with many poor whites who live as bad or worse than blacks. There was no love of the masses of whites of the South who were competing against the plantation economy. Blacks were at least taken care of as property, and paternalism did exist.
The South is a big region and it’s impossible to say what every relationship was like, but I’ve read some memoirs of plantation owners, and they had awful things to say about poor whites.
As for food, poor blacks and whites ate similar foods. Soul food today is just spiced diffwrently.
Jews convinced blacks that serving whites was something to get angry about and it was better to be a street pimp (per Jewish film makers) than do any job like caddying.
The Masters used to require the pros to use the local caddies and dropped that rule when Jack Nicklaus was in his prime. It is a fairly lucrative job now, the top players are paying their caddies well into six figures. Dustin Johnson has been using his brother for years.
At a nearby racetrack in sunny Minnesota, all the jockeys are invariably Latino. I presume because they’re smaller and lighter than other races, as well as cheaper
Asians are diminutive as well, but browns are more plentiful. Come to think of it, I never see Asians and horses in the same room.
when Craig Stadler won the Masters in 1982 he had a Black caddie
when Tom Watson won in 1981 he had a Black caddie
when Seve Ballesteros won in 1980 he had a Black caddie
when Fuzzy Zoeller won in 1979 he had a Black caddie
when Gary Player won in 1978 he had a Black caddie…..
when Raymond Floyd won in 1976 he had a Black caddie
when Jack Nickaus won in 1975 he had a Black caddie….
Every winner at the Masters prior to 1983 had a Black caddie and every player had a Black caddie. It was a rule at Augusta National, that all caddies had to be Black.
But I suppose it was racist to force all the players to have a Black caddie, so they changed the rule in 1983 and then almost all the players brought their white caddies to the Masters. Sad that this virtue signalling by August National caused a significant drop in income for for all the Black caddies in Augusta Georgia.
Don’t tell me you’ve forgotten the fisherman with the banjo eyes:
Granted, he had nothing to do with golf.
One reason our elites love mass low-skill Latino immigration is that good-whites get to have their "step-'n'-fetch-it" without being "racist".Replies: @Art Deco
There are about 900,000 people employed as maids and housekeepers. About 3/4 of them work in hotels, hospitals, nursing homes and the like. The remainder are divided between those cleaning miscellaneous workplaces and those cleaning homes. A lot of those cleaning homes are employed by commercial companies or work one day a week for a set of households, not just one person.
One curio the Bureau of Labor Statistics tracks is the number of private household cooks. I have to figure they do that because it used to be a great deal more common than it is today to employ such a person. There are currently fewer than 400 employed at that trade.
There are about 600,000 landscaping and groundskeeping employees who are employed looking after households and miscellaneous commercial buildings. A great many of them are employed at workplaces and a great many of the remainder are working for commercial landscaping services (which have been common for 50 years or more).
I have never heard of Colbert, but he is from New Jersey and so is not related to Stephen. While I can’t deny that he felt his best chance of winning was the 74 Masters, his best finish was the 71 US Open at Merion. He led at -2 after the second round and finished in third, two shots behind Trevino and Nicklaus, who tied at par after 72. Trevino ended up winning the playoff 68 to 71.
Colbert’s memory is playing tricks on him, because he started the back 9 at the 74 Masters three shots behind eventual champion Gary Player. Colbert bogeyed 11 and 15, but eagled 18 to end up even on the back 9.
My favorite part is the prize money he won, spoilered so you can guess
71 US Open: $9,000
74 Masters: $10,833
Disagree all. Forget walking, increased length of PGATour courses finish older golfers, that and the yips. Casey Martin wasn’t thirty when driven out by a circulatory disorder in his leg.
If it is side bets, okay. If it is paid by clubs or players it should be reported to the IRS via 1099s or even W-2s (if wages).
Being from other countries isn't some tax free loophole. All earned (and most unearned) income from U.S. sources is legally taxable in the US irrespective of your citizenship (a few odd tax treaty exceptions aside.)
I would think all golf pros would need to report these to deduct them. Also the IRS isn't totally asleep on things like this. When not reported to the IRS it may end up being "tax free" but that's technically illegal if > $600.
Of course small amounts paid by amateurs and bets won don't get reported, though the IRS would say otherwise. Uncle Sam excels at stealing money from anyone working.Replies: @Hodag
There is a federal law, passed at the behest of the Western Golf Association, that all caddies in the US are considered independent contractors. Unless it is an ongoing relationship (like a tour caddy) no reporting and usually all cash.
I caddied in the 85 Western. A friend of mine drafted the winner, Scott Verplank. But Verplank was an amateur and only could scrape together 250 bucks or so, but the Butler membership passed the hat and got him 3 grand or so. My man missed the cut, because I told him 7 on 18, he took a six and airmailed into the creek behind the 18 green. I couldn’t caddy in the Western my senior year because I got the scholarship and they figured that was reward enough. It was.
Porterhouse! Look at the wax buildup on these shoes!
Semi OT:
AnotherMom and I just back from our walk to the beach where we watched the Falcon 9 launch.
Just want to say i am deeply grateful to all the proud black women–calculating orbital mechanics, optimizing rocket thrust, writing the software, and doing the system integration work–who make womanned and even manned space flight possible. All without fatigue or complaint and even letting–otherwise incapable–white men ride the rockets and hone in on the glory.
Thank you.
AnotherMom and I just back from our walk to the beach where we watched the Falcon 9 launch.
Just want to say i am deeply grateful to all the proud black women--calculating orbital mechanics, optimizing rocket thrust, writing the software, and doing the system integration work--who make womanned and even manned space flight possible. All without fatigue or complaint and even letting--otherwise incapable--white men ride the rockets and hone in on the glory.
Thank you.Replies: @Mike Tre
This is clearly a hollow and sarcastic comment simply due to the fact that you did not thank their hair.
OT – Biden had his own sham “foundation” for the purpose of bankrolling his campaign (before his campaign technically started):
Local caddies lost one advantage over tour caddies when the tour caddies started to use commercial pamphlets mapping each hole and giving yardages and slopes of the terrain. The first known golfer to make up his own yardage booklet was Deane Beman. His friend Jack Nicklaus started imitating him in 1961 and then it became standard.
Gerard van der Leun at American Digest did a post on the 1960 Sedan de Ville: http://americandigest.org/never-again-nineteen-sixty-cadillac-6339-four-window-sedan-de-ville-at-the-gm-technical-center/
I'll post the last sentence of my comment to that post here, since it probably matches your intent:
"Today, what’s a Cadillac? We lost something when we lost that swagger that could redesign a car line in less than two years. Oh yes, cars are safer, more efficient, and reliable, but so is my refrigerator."Replies: @Mike Tre
Weird, I can see the second pic. It’s a late model Escalade with the hideous front end and 22″ wheels.
Caddyshack didn’t have any black caddies in it(the one black club worker in the film worked in the locker room), just a bunch of teenage white kids with a few older bums sprinkled in.
Since the film was made in the late 1970s I’m assuming it reflected that time period. And I doubt director Harold Ramis would’ve preferred hiring annoying kid actors to older black actors to play more caddies, so he was probably trying to reflect current reality.
So I assume the black caddy wasn’t a thing in most clubs by the late 70s/early 80s.
And after the rich had destroyed the ability of blue collar blacks to earn a decent living, they cried a river of crocodile tears about how terrible black unemployment was and aren’t all those white hicks driving pickup trucks with confederate flags so deplorable?
Per capita income among blacks is about 70% of that of the general population. IIRC, the ratio in 1960 was about 55%. Since north of 3/4 of the black workforce are in hourly jobs, I think blue collar blacks are making a living.
Easy-peasey, Mister Sailer. Find a documentary called Loopers (either Netflix or Amazon Prime, don’t remember which).
Long story short, golfers didn’t used to have steady caddies. The caddies at Augusta National were Black (because Old South) and didn’t allow outside caddies, so all the pros would pick from the all-Black pool at Augusta National. With the rise of caddies with long-term contracts (few of them Black) causing Augusta to finally ease up on their rules, and here we are now.
Not terribly interested in golf, but I found Loopers to be an interesting documentary (the Augusta thing was only one facet of it, it’s about caddies in general, past and present.
Slow, defensive, and grassy. (Features, not bugs!) Except for the ridiculously high scores, cricket is similar.
That’s why only one of the three tends to take hold in a country:
Note the ambiguity of Korea on the two maps.
60+ golf clubs for 300,000 people. Must be the highest per capita number in the world.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/golf-in-icelandReplies: @Reg Cæsar
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1327648458115780610Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Wade Hampton, @Reg Cæsar
When your Zoom call looks like the bar scene from Star Wars, you know you’ve reached peak intersectionality.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TP3J6uxRvHM/maxresdefault.jpgReplies: @Gary in Gramercy
I used to caddie at Montclair Gold Club. When Empire Strikes Back came out I wore a Yoda tee-shirt. I was 15 and maybe 120 lbs. The bags weighed more than I did. The old black caddies who worked Florida in the winter up through the East Coast as it got warmer gave me endless shit about that.
Forecaddie, you will.
Marty, I follow Ohio HS football because it is better than anything around here. But the top Ohio teams, even the Catholic Preps, get their players mostly from their township. Now think about a HS team with 14 D-I senior commits. It has nothing to do with race. Closest to this I can remember is the Victor, NY (near Rochester ) lacrosse team. They had 11 commits and a sophmore goalie who had gone, IIRC, 22-0. But in lacrosse you aren’t getting pounded into the ground on every play. Thanks for the reply.
Long story short, golfers didn't used to have steady caddies. The caddies at Augusta National were Black (because Old South) and didn't allow outside caddies, so all the pros would pick from the all-Black pool at Augusta National. With the rise of caddies with long-term contracts (few of them Black) causing Augusta to finally ease up on their rules, and here we are now.
Not terribly interested in golf, but I found Loopers to be an interesting documentary (the Augusta thing was only one facet of it, it's about caddies in general, past and present.Replies: @Steve Sailer
But a big percentage of the tour caddies were black in, say, 1970. Gary Player’s caddie was black, Lee Trevino’s caddy was wa big fat black guy. Nicklaus’s caddy was some kind of white Hispanic. Johnny Miller’s caddy was a Mexican-American. Palmer’s tour caddy was white, while his Masters caddy was black.
https://golf.com/news/features/globe-trotting-gary-player-home-moving-target/
No need to change your name.
Tiny Dick is still Tiny Dick,
By any other name.
Apologies to Eustace Tilly (not).Replies: @Reg Cæsar
This applies to the male and female. I got into tug of war with an old batty black woman and they are very strong when their emotions kick their adrenalin into action. Plus fire their lazy dumb ass and you will automatically get a racism lawsuit. Hispanics do want to produce in the private sector and get paid. The black ideal is a Gov’t job requiring few hours of real work.
Why do you think the CDC in Atlanta is so incompetent.
G., my next door neighbor has two vintage, cast iron lawn jockies on his porch. Both are in white face, whatever. Used to see them for sale at the local flea market, have not seen one in a while. They line the road across from the track in Saratoga Springs, but all are white. Soon some one will call racism and demand a percentage be black.
In 1957 and 1958 if you were a NASA engineer or administrator you were a White gentile, i.e., Juden frei!
I came here as well to post about the deplatforming of The Conservative Treehouse.
It’s strange. I was expecting deplatforming to come way back in the mid-2000s. But it has not been really felt until relatively recently.
2016 – removal of ICANN from US oversight by Obama
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICANN
2017 – Breitbart and firing of Katie McHugh. Breitbart has become increasingly more like how Fox News used to be.
2019 – 8chan removal. And similarly, 4chan /pol is active, but now spammed with slide threads.
2020 – Twitter and the censorship of Donald Trump. Of course, deplatforming of rightists has been going on for quite a while now.
2020 – reddit the_donald deplatforming. In reality, soon after the election it became controlled by Jews AFAICT. They had turned from basically a /pol outpost into almost a freeper type place, extolling the virtues of based black men and Asian women etc. *yawn*
2020 – Conservative treehouse deplatforming. The site has some good content, in between annoying open threads with a prayer and the same soldier-on-guard-at-war-memorial pic.
Somewhere in there, Drudge became anti-Trump.
I wonder how long unz.com, Gateway Pundit etc. are going to last.
On the other hand, the likes of instapundit.com have gone significantly rightward. I remember back in early 2000s when Glenn Reynolds was unpersoning Steve, I seem to remember it had something to do with a black in-law that Glenn had. How things have changed over the last couple decades.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/36467/
The one thing is that try though they might to eliminate their representation, they are having difficulty erasing the still relatively large numbers of white people who form the basis of support.
I note there is some interesting stuff at the moment about the election challenge. Giuliani is no fool, and after 9/11 events, he is one very connected man. Trump is fortunate to have him onside.
What if it looks like Deep Throat?
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1327648458115780610Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Wade Hampton, @Reg Cæsar
First lie at 18 seconds!
Make that 100 years. (104 in Illinois.) Even in the dark, dark days of the ’30s and ’40s, women were voting more Republican than were men.
They don’t even know the basics of history! And they’re on TV!
Now back to reading the biography of Jeannette Rankin, who voted to keep those men out of “progressive” world wars…
Check it out. If you type Biden Administration in the Google search window, the first and only suggested completion is Biden Administration H1B. What's up with that?
All of a sudden there are a bunch of Indians who want to know where they stand? Or a bunch of Americans who are afraid their going to get the chop?
Also, I like how the search window now has a notice at the bottom: "Report inappropriate predictions"Replies: @Rob McX
When I type “biden” into the Google search box, the only suggested completion I get is “biden medicare for all”. There might be space for more if the list didn’t include things I already Googled. There’s nothing about inappropriate predictions on my page. I wonder what would count as inappropriate.
I used to eat at a place with black waiters and cooks. The members were white liberals who were sensitive to the criticism that it looked like slavery at a plantation. So they eventually fired the black waiters and hired white waiters. Then everyone was happy.
Since the film was made in the late 1970s I'm assuming it reflected that time period. And I doubt director Harold Ramis would've preferred hiring annoying kid actors to older black actors to play more caddies, so he was probably trying to reflect current reality.
So I assume the black caddy wasn't a thing in most clubs by the late 70s/early 80s.Replies: @anonymous
CADDYSHACK was filmed in the Tampa Bay area and I presume was supposed to take place there and yet almost all the white working class characters were portrayed as Catholic ethnics. In reality wouldn’t they mostly have been rednecks?
I used to watch the Masters on TV every year.
It was ~1980 when the network first showed what it purported to be the solemn, Green Jacket ceremony.
The club president— some old, genteel white guy, spoke directly to the viewing audience.
In a deep, southern drawl: “.. and to my dear friend so-&-so, get well soon, boy!”
Ugh. Too bad Calvin Peete didn’t win.
Well, Japan still has Japanese caddies.
“The film was inspired by writer and co-star Brian Doyle-Murray’s memories of working as a caddie at Indian Hill Club in Winnetka, Illinois. His brothers Bill and John Murray (production assistant and a caddy extra) and director Harold Ramis also had worked as caddies when they were teenagers.”
They picked the most Northern looking golf course they could find in Florida to stand in for this Chicago North Shore course where the Murray brothers had been caddies.
“Golf scenes were filmed at the Rolling Hills Golf Club (now the Grande Oaks Golf Club) in Davie, Florida.[6] According to Ramis, Rolling Hills was chosen because the course did not have any palm trees. He wanted the film to feel that it was in the Midwest, not Florida.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caddyshack
The movie was filmed in fall when the trees in Northern courses are changing colors and losing their leaves. But the Florida course in fall looked like summer in the Great Lakes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Hugh_Alison
He (or someone) put some palm trees (or palmettos) on the course, which doesn't look quite right to my eye.
https://golfresortsoftheworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Kawana-Fuji-Course-No11_web.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/2804/4119973155_2e285d4280_b.jpg
The caddies in the photo above are from the Narusawa Golf Club. No palm tree there.
http://gora.golf.rakuten.co.jp/doc/special/ichioshi/2010/0311/img/190025_1.jpg
Yeah, as Steve mentioned, Caddyshack was set in the Midwest, generally thought to be Illinois.
Also, isn’t it weird how Chicago/Illinois became such a 1980s nostalgia movie town? I mean, yes, the main reason is John Hughes, who set all his evergreen films there, whether he wrote or directed, but Caddyshack as well.
I wonder how much pushback Hughes got on insisting his films be in Chicago. I’m sure some studio heads tried to get him to set some of them in perennially popular NYC, or Boston, or maybe LA to save money on filming. Likely that’s why he set Home Alone 2 in New York (complete with the president’s cameo). Hughes must’ve had an iron will to resist such ideas on the regular, though. No wonder he’s a legend.
That Japanese club, the Kawana Golf Club, has two courses, the first designed and built in 1928 (along with the hotel) and the second by Charles Hugh Allison in 1936, a British cricket player who also spent WWI and WWII decoding ciphers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Hugh_Alison
He (or someone) put some palm trees (or palmettos) on the course, which doesn’t look quite right to my eye.
The caddies in the photo above are from the Narusawa Golf Club. No palm tree there.
I hate it when that happens!
I can confirm that Korea loves soccer and baseball. They also have pro basketball and, of all things, pro mens and womens volleyball here, but they are significantly less popular.
From what I understand, baseball used to be the number one sport, but soccer has been on a roll ever since they hosted the World Cup and had a surprise top-4 finish, followed by up with pretty good placing since then.
Of course, it also killed baseball when it got cut from the Olympics, right after Korea won gold in Beijing. Koreans obsess over their international reputation, not having an international competition for baseball makes it kind of boring for them, I think. It’s supposed to be back in the Olympics whenever we have them again. That, and having a Korean in the World Series this year (Choi Ji-man, of Tampa) might put baseball back on top.
Thanks Steve.
Did you bother to check the data on personal service jobs or food service jobs before you pulled that out of your ass? About 12% of the workforce is black. The proportion of those employed in the following occupations are black:
19.2%: Food servers, non-restaurant
18%: Cooks
16.1%: Dishwashers
13.2%: Food preparation workers
12.6%: Dining room and cafeteria attendants
18.2%: Janitors
17.4%: Maids
31.1%: Barbers
26.2%: Baggage porters
25.1%: Personal care aids
17.4%: Childcare workers
14.3%: Miscellaneous personal service
13.9%: Hairdressers
37.2%: Nurses aides (incl home health)
29.5%: Taxi drivers and chauffeursReplies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Trinity, @Jack D, @EdwardM
100.0%: Shoe-shine kiosk workers
I’m assuming at least a few people here have heard of longtime newspaperman/novelist/screenwriter Pete Dexter.
Back in 2003 he wrote a novel entitled TRAIN.
TRAIN is the story of a naive black teenager working as a caddy at an exclusive Los Angeles country club in 1953 who happens to be a golf prodigy. An ex-cop gambler recognizes his talent and takes him under his wing as a ringer in a series of lucrative betting rounds.
Like all of Dexter’s novels I’ve read it’s as entertaining as it is painfully honest and morally ambiguous. Dexter writes about the world as it is and was without any consideration for who he might possibly offend or leave depressed.
Back in 2003 he wrote a novel entitled TRAIN.
TRAIN is the story of a naive black teenager working as a caddy at an exclusive Los Angeles country club in 1953 who happens to be a golf prodigy. An ex-cop gambler recognizes his talent and takes him under his wing as a ringer in a series of lucrative betting rounds.
Like all of Dexter's novels I've read it's as entertaining as it is painfully honest and morally ambiguous. Dexter writes about the world as it is and was without any consideration for who he might possibly offend or leave depressed.Replies: @Steve Sailer
The life stories of the 5 black guys who won on the PGA tour before Tiger Woods would all make entertaining biopics. E.g., Lee Elder was gambler Titanic Thompson’s chauffeur, and a lot of Thompson’s winning bets were structured around the words, “Hell, my chauffeur could beat you.”
Player’s supposedly retired to Florida. He grew up in Johannesburg. Wagers his caddie was someone from back home. Here’s a profile of Player enjoying his old age.
https://golf.com/news/features/globe-trotting-gary-player-home-moving-target/
“The last private course I played at–where you had to take a caddy–there were more black Jamaicans than anyone who could be identified as Hispanic.“
Yup, same for me. Insane that we’re importing caddies.
“Read the article Steve links to in his tweet. It is surprisingly even handed in its coverage. “
Did you notice the author’s name?
A lot of movies were made in Chicago in the 1980s. I don’t know whether that was just due to a few filmmakers like John Hughes, or whether Illinois offered tax breaks to movie makers, but by the mid-1980s, Chicago represented Regular America in movies for a few years at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T05soR6iKQQ
Golf is dead: it was killed by the mobile phone. The chief attraction of golf was always a few hours in the week out on the green beyond the reach of work and the wife. Mostly the wife. That’s gone.
That's why only one of the three tends to take hold in a country:https://blog.richmond.edu/livesofmaps/files/2017/10/World-Map-showing-popular-sports.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Mapa-deportes-esp.pngNote the ambiguity of Korea on the two maps.Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
Soccer may be popular in Iceland at the moment (team doing well) but golf is YUGE there in the long summer days. You can start a round after a days work and finish up around 10-10.30 pm.
60+ golf clubs for 300,000 people. Must be the highest per capita number in the world.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/golf-in-iceland
But there are other hazards. Steve should do a post on post-glacial golf architecture.
https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2015/04/2015-28-04-pink-geyser-marco-evaristti-e1430219776940.jpg
https://icelandmag.is/sites/default/files/styles/lightbox/public/thumbnails/image/holuhraun_-_lava_center.jpg?itok=xMyXgu3T
https://www.extremeiceland.is/media/13700/guide-to-vatnajokull-glacier-iceland-1-2.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&quality=100&width=1055&height=700&rnd=131993703810000000
I have never seen Eretz abbreviated as E. The formal name of Israel is Medinat Yisrael (the State of Israel) but I haven’t seen M. either. Eretz Yisrael (the Land of Israel) is more biblical or poetic, not something you would put as an origin (required by customs laws) on a product label.
(1) The obvious one is the early-1980s change to allow players to bring their own caddies instead of using the Augusta ones. Since the Augusta caddies were just poor blacks from the local area, they were probably not very good caddies compared to pros' usual caddies, despite their familiarity with the course.
(2) Media: the TV people couldn't stand to broadcast the tournament with black caddies serving mostly-white players. This is probably a major reason for the rule change in the 1980s.
(3) Membership: the members are just our upperclass scum, like Bill Gates. They were scandalized/embarrassed by black caddies.
(5) iSteve-y reason: upper-middle-class whites brought in immigrant Hispanic caddies to displace the black caddies.
And the top reason...
(5) Opportunity cost: why caddy in Georgia with all that sweet looting going on in northern metro areas?Replies: @ganderson
Reminds me of the discussion in Tom Wolfe’s Radical Chic about the servants- the Bernstein’s regular servants were black, but that wouldn’t do at a fund raiser for the Panthers. They used Hispanics, as I recall.
In my part of the country caddying was a kid thing, pretty much like Caddyshack. As Steve has written about many times, the clubs in the Twin Cities were more or less restricted- at Town and Country, where I caddied, the membership was taken from St. Paul’s Catholic elite. I caddied from the summer between my 7th and 8th grade years, to the summer between my 9th and 10 grade years. In my last year we got 4 bucks a bag- and you usually only carried doubles on Sunday afternoons, when guys played with their wives; the only other times women could play were Tuesday mornings (nine hole hackers, we used to call them) and Thursday mornings (18 hole hackers) Members were required to take caddies (or carts, but carts were pretty uncommon)
As an aside, my first year as a looper (not a term we used, although a golfer was referred to as a ‘loop’) was the first year members were allowed to wear shorts on the course.
It was a job- you had to be there 6 days a week or you were fired. And, most of us were good caddies- knew the course, its ins an outs, yardages; and this at a time when there wasn’t much on-course marking of distance, and NO GPS. Most of us quit caddying when we turned 16 and could get a ‘real’ job; although many of us would get called back for special tournaments from time to time.
I remember in 1970 that we were given the opportunity to caddy at the US Open at Hazeltine: one had to sell a certain number of tickets to be eligible. I didn’t make it. I once read an article by that unctuous fraud Tom Friedman, who caddied at Minneapolis GC, about how he caddied for Chi Chi Rodriguez in 1970. Given the general run of the rest of his ‘journalism’ I’d probably want to go back and check to see if he actually did.
The “white ethnics” in Winnetka and nearby places are largely Jewish plus a few Lace Curtain Irish.
Anyway, Ike was President then, and was a regular at Burning Tree, going out with other big shots. Eisenhower was an erratic putter, but would often benefit from sycophant suckup opponents conceding the putt without Ike having to putt it in (AKA a "gimmee"). The groid caddies routinely bet on "their" players among themselves in secret. One day, Ike had a tricky 8 footer, and his opponent told him "It's good, Mr. President", giving him the putt. The opponent's groid caddy, (who had money riding on the other guy) was appalled and, forgetting himself, shouted "It ain't good by ME!"Replies: @Jim Don Bob
Great stories, AD. When did it become the norm that caddies got 10% of the player’s winnings?
First you were complaining blacks won't take service jobs (which is not only wrong, but kooky-wrong), then you complain they're not opening their own businesses. You must be a gem to work for.
You are not distinguishing between the public and the private sector. Of the 13.2% of food preparation workers who are black, how many work in school, hospital and prison cafeterias, etc.?
I didn't distinguish between them because whether they work in the public sector or not (and hospitals are not typically public sector enterprises - quit playing games) is irrelevant to your main point and only tangentially relevant to your secondary point. It's not my job, by the way, to be your research assistant. If you want to make an argument about public sector food service workers, collect the bloody data yourself (if you can locate it).Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @William Badwhite
Its also not your job to schoolmarmishly nitpick and correct other people’s posts while starting sentences with things like “No clue why”…but you do it anyway.
No clue why you seem to take things so personally. Lighten up Francis
The term 'nitpick' does not mean what you fancy it means. His initial statement - that blacks are too arrogant to take personal service jobs - is not only wrong, it's crazy wrong.Replies: @William Badwhite
Steve, how about this cool filmed in Chicago movie from 1953? You can recognize some of the downtown building scenes like the elevators [33:48] which are in a building on Dearborn street. I like the scene where they show the CPD police transmitter.
Its also not your job to schoolmarmishly nitpick a
The term ‘nitpick’ does not mean what you fancy it means. His initial statement – that blacks are too arrogant to take personal service jobs – is not only wrong, it’s crazy wrong.
You were whining about what is and what isn't your job, while lacking the self-awareness to notice that virtually all of your posts are correcting other commenters, which is also not your job. Just try being quiet for awhile, maybe you'll be less peevish.Replies: @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Steve Sailer
Whites get uncomfortable having blacks serve them. It either makes whites look racist or they imagine the blacks are secretly resenting it. Who needs that stress when you can just hire a hard working Mexican for less, anyway.Replies: @AnotherDad, @Jim Don Bob
Bill Clinton helped sink his wife’s chances for an endorsement from Ted Kennedy by belittling Barack Obama as nothing but a race-based candidate.
“A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,” the former president told the liberal lion from Massachusetts, according to the gossipy new campaign book, “Game Change.”
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bill-clinton-told-ted-kennedy-obama-coffee-years-game-change-article-1.197492
The term 'nitpick' does not mean what you fancy it means. His initial statement - that blacks are too arrogant to take personal service jobs - is not only wrong, it's crazy wrong.Replies: @William Badwhite
There are things you observe with your eyes, and there are things you look up while employed as a male librarian.
You were whining about what is and what isn’t your job, while lacking the self-awareness to notice that virtually all of your posts are correcting other commenters, which is also not your job. Just try being quiet for awhile, maybe you’ll be less peevish.
Unlike the Philadelphia ambulance chaser (and you), I've seen the inside of a hospital, a nursing home, a cafeteria, and a cab.Replies: @William Badwhite
LibrariansMedical professionals are to BS artists as crucifixes are to vampires.Replies: @William Badwhite60+ golf clubs for 300,000 people. Must be the highest per capita number in the world.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/golf-in-icelandReplies: @Reg Cæsar
No trees in the way.
But there are other hazards. Steve should do a post on post-glacial golf architecture.
Leave your cell phone in your locker at the club.
You were whining about what is and what isn't your job, while lacking the self-awareness to notice that virtually all of your posts are correcting other commenters, which is also not your job. Just try being quiet for awhile, maybe you'll be less peevish.Replies: @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Steve Sailer
There are things you observe with your eyes, and there are things you look up while employed as a male librarian.
Unlike the Philadelphia ambulance chaser (and you), I’ve seen the inside of a hospital, a nursing home, a cafeteria, and a cab.
You were whining about what is and what isn't your job, while lacking the self-awareness to notice that virtually all of your posts are correcting other commenters, which is also not your job. Just try being quiet for awhile, maybe you'll be less peevish.Replies: @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Steve Sailer
Commenters here are clearly tired of the beatdowns administered by Art Deco against them for assertions of fact that turned out to be based on feelz. While not all of these beatdowns are on target, the majority are.
LibrariansMedical professionals are to BS artists as crucifixes are to vampires.- Art Deco
Agree: Johann Ricke
Unlike the Philadelphia ambulance chaser (and you), I've seen the inside of a hospital, a nursing home, a cafeteria, and a cab.Replies: @William Badwhite
Did you whine about any of it not being your job? “No clue why my cohort, which is 37.2%…blah blah blah”
Huh? Why, visiting family members or old friends in a nursing home, would I be giving the staff a hard time?
That aside, our Philadelphia pettifogger, caught flat-footed, then insisted it was my task to scrounge around for data on the distribution of cafeteria employees between the public and private sector in order to disprove his ass-pull. (He also apparently believes that if the county owns the airport, the skycaps aren't actually service employees).Replies: @William Badwhite, @ScarletNumber
Did you whine about any of it not being your job?
Huh? Why, visiting family members or old friends in a nursing home, would I be giving the staff a hard time?
That aside, our Philadelphia pettifogger, caught flat-footed, then insisted it was my task to scrounge around for data on the distribution of cafeteria employees between the public and private sector in order to disprove his ass-pull. (He also apparently believes that if the county owns the airport, the skycaps aren’t actually service employees).
And the guy in the row boat who scratched Rodney’s anchor.
As I read through this article I had the same thought as you – “how about the black jockey”? I don’t think many people are aware that back in the 19th century, particularly in the antebellum south, most horse racing jockeys were black. Of course there are various theories as to how the horse racing game demographics changed, but the most convincing to me is that after Reconstruction, the southern states in particular began formulating and implementing social-racial policies leading to total segregation of the races, as practical. The ultimate result was what we now call Jim Crowism, which became at least the de facto social policy across the nation beginning in the early 20th century, extending from military service to education to team sports (e.g., baseball and football). At that time, New Orleans (for example) overnight went from a thoroughly integrated city to a thoroughly segregated locale, where black Americans were forcibly grouped together in newly established segregated neighborhoods.
Huh? Why, visiting family members or old friends in a nursing home, would I be giving the staff a hard time?
That aside, our Philadelphia pettifogger, caught flat-footed, then insisted it was my task to scrounge around for data on the distribution of cafeteria employees between the public and private sector in order to disprove his ass-pull. (He also apparently believes that if the county owns the airport, the skycaps aren't actually service employees).Replies: @William Badwhite, @ScarletNumber
The whole thing could have been avoided if you’d just resisted your obnoxious need to chime in on every post, correcting people. Since you weighed in uninvited, it isn’t unreasonable to ask you foll0w-up questions. If you don’t want follow-up questions, you could always (this is going sound crazy) just be quiet.
I wasn’t seeing that in Loopers, but I’ll watch it again. Kind of turns into a fundraising pitch for the “caddie scholarship” at Northwestern near the end, but the first three-quarters was pretty interesting.
when Tom Watson won in 1981 he had a Black caddie
when Seve Ballesteros won in 1980 he had a Black caddie
when Fuzzy Zoeller won in 1979 he had a Black caddie
when Gary Player won in 1978 he had a Black caddie.....
when Raymond Floyd won in 1976 he had a Black caddie
when Jack Nickaus won in 1975 he had a Black caddie....Every winner at the Masters prior to 1983 had a Black caddie and every player had a Black caddie. It was a rule at Augusta National, that all caddies had to be Black.But I suppose it was racist to force all the players to have a Black caddie, so they changed the rule in 1983 and then almost all the players brought their white caddies to the Masters. Sad that this virtue signalling by August National caused a significant drop in income for for all the Black caddies in Augusta Georgia.Replies: @ScarletNumber
How was this virtue signaling by Augusta? The black-caddy requirement was dropped due to player revolt.
Forecaddie, you will.Replies: @ScarletNumber, @ganderson
Ironically in West Orange. There is also an Upper Montclair Country Club, but that’s in Clifton.
Huh? Why, visiting family members or old friends in a nursing home, would I be giving the staff a hard time?
That aside, our Philadelphia pettifogger, caught flat-footed, then insisted it was my task to scrounge around for data on the distribution of cafeteria employees between the public and private sector in order to disprove his ass-pull. (He also apparently believes that if the county owns the airport, the skycaps aren't actually service employees).Replies: @William Badwhite, @ScarletNumber
You’re already unwelcome over at Ordinary Times. Why are you trying for two?
Let’s not forget Nick Faldo’s caddy Fannie Sunesson- not exactly Elin Nordegren, but very nice. I think she also caddied for Henrik Stenson.
I caddied at the Rock Island Arsenal Country Club and my cousin caddied at Medinah.
Forecaddie, you will.Replies: @ScarletNumber, @ganderson
Yogi Berra was a member there, no? When we lived in Glen Ridge we used to drive by it on the way to Pal’s Cabin, sadly closed now. New Jersey must have more good golf courses per square mile than any other state. I used to love playing at Flanders Valley in Morris County, which, at least back in the 80s, was the best maintained municipal golf course I’d ever seen.
Didn’t Victor win the state championship last year- or at least the last year there was one?
LibrariansMedical professionals are to BS artists as crucifixes are to vampires.Replies: @William BadwhiteThe term ‘beatdown’ does mean what you fancy it means. No clue why you misspelled feelz
– Art Deco
Agree: Johann Ricke
I haven’t been by there in a few years, but Penn Station in New York has a large shoe-shine business and all the workers are Latin American.
Country Clubs are usually located in the next suburb out than the one they are named after. E.g., the Evanston CC north of Chicago was in Skokie, IIRC.
You were whining about what is and what isn't your job, while lacking the self-awareness to notice that virtually all of your posts are correcting other commenters, which is also not your job. Just try being quiet for awhile, maybe you'll be less peevish.Replies: @Art Deco, @Johann Ricke, @Steve Sailer
Blacks do a lot of transportation-related service jobs, ever since the Pullman porters.
I never thought of it this way, but it makes sense. A CC outgrows its space and needs room to expand, so it goes out one more ring. In a similar vein, the West Side Tennis Club was once located on Central Park West in Manhattan, but now is located in Forest Hills, Queens. If the name sounds familiar, it hosted the US Open through 1977 before moving into the Singer Bowl at the World’s Fair in Flushing.
gandi, I used to get all the HS lax results from a website called LaxPower. Covered schedules and results for all district, divisions and states. Website closed but Victor won back to back NYS D-A Championships a few years back and coupled that with back to back state football championships.
I'm sure Joe, as a lax lifer you've been watching the sport for a while- no lax in the 60's and 70's Upper Midwest though, I came to it through my boys, all of whom were pretty good lax players.
I had always thought that eventually the midfield position would, like cornerback, come to be dominated by blacks- hasn't happened yet. Any thoughts on why?
As I have mentioned, blacks are concentrated in the government owned portions of the transportation sector – e.g. the DC mass transit workforce is almost 100% black. In the private sector where employers are more concerned with performance and skills and attitude, blacks are around 12% (roughly equal to their population %) of truckers and 3% of commercial pilots.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TP3J6uxRvHM/maxresdefault.jpgReplies: @Gary in Gramercy
That’s an insult to the memory of Harry Reems.
I hope he doesn’t go anywhere. But if he does, I hope he bequeaths Steve some of his data. Maybe Steve could organize it in a FAQ or something. It would short-circuit a lot of dumb arguments.
I suppose I haven’t been there in more than a few years. And I also suppose that nothing is sacred!
I’m guessing that many kids were on BOTH of those teams. Next spring I’d love to come out to Western NY and catch some HS games, if there are any, of course.
I’m sure Joe, as a lax lifer you’ve been watching the sport for a while- no lax in the 60’s and 70’s Upper Midwest though, I came to it through my boys, all of whom were pretty good lax players.
I had always thought that eventually the midfield position would, like cornerback, come to be dominated by blacks- hasn’t happened yet. Any thoughts on why?
I buy that they did, not sure that they DO. Sure, Pullman porters but how many people travel by train anymore?
I travel a ton (well, I did before WuFlu) – over a million miles each on 3 different airlines, this will be the first year in the past twenty I fly less than 100,000 miles and I just don’t see that many. Unless you’re counting people working in say, the McDonald’s in O’Hare. Very few black pilots, flight attendants they seem to be about proportional to their population. There seems to be quite a few blacks working on the ramps, handling luggage etc but I don’t think I count that as service jobs as they don’t come into contact with the passengers.
I will concede that they seem to dominate public transportation in the US. I can’t remember the last time I saw a non-black train driver on the DC or NYC subways. Though same as the ramp workers, I don’t know if that counts as service jobs since they’re locked in those little rooms.
You are correct insofar as professional tour caddies go. I have a friend (White BTW) who caddies on several very exclusive courses in the Richmond and Tidewater areas of Virginia where wealthy non-pro, but proficient golfer folks have their little “Bilderberger” style golf meets. He manages to do about four long weekend jags in that arena and pocket about $4K cash per weekend. Not bad for a 27 y/o kid with a HS education.
Still, the only thing I love better than a fried catfish, cheese grits, field peas, and hush puppies dinner is a good T-Bone or porterhouse or maybe some steamed crabs. Oh, and you have to dress up that catfish dinner with sliced lemons, sweet and dill pickles and Vidalia onions on the side. I could be a billionaire and I would eat the same. Simple tastes for me.Replies: @Alice in Wonderland
Exactly.
Not just whites, but barefooted white children.
Everybody picked cotton because you had to pick it as soon as you could before it rained and got ruined.
Everyone picked cotton until a cotton picking machine was invented.