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From the New York Times opinion section:

The Deadly Collision of Racism and Mental Illness

By Eyal Press

Mr. Press is a writer and the author, most recently, of “Dirty Work: Essential Jobs and the Hidden Toll of Inequality in America.”

Oct. 4, 2022

On April 29, 2021, around 3:45 p.m., Carl Chan, the president of the Oakland Chinatown Chamber of Commerce in Oakland, Calif., was walking along Eighth Street not far from the Chinatown district when a stranger struck him on the back of the head. The blow sent Mr. Chan, a slight man in his early 60s, tumbling onto the pavement. His glasses flew off his face and his left knee, which broke his fall, was scraped and bleeding. According to Mr. Chan, the stranger shouted an anti-Asian racial slur before ambushing him.

Less than an hour later, the Oakland police arrested Mr. Chan’s assailant, a 25-year-old man named James Lee Ramsey.

Mr. Ramsey’s race goes unstated in this long article, but because his parents gave him a middle name that seemingly honors Robert E. Lee, you can just tell he’s white (assuming you have the worldview of a New York Times subscriber).

In truth, of course, the attacker is another black schizo, as are so many of those who carry out violent non-larcenous attacks on pedestrians they don’t know. Blacks tend to suffer from schizophrenia more than other races and tend to be more violent. Put them together and that’s a troublesome combination.

Before the attack occurred, Mr. Ramsey had been in San Francisco, he told the officers who brought him into custody, where, according to the police report, he’d seen “crazy things,” such as “half-dog and half-humans and half-cats and half-humans.” Mr. Ramsey, who was homeless, had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, the officers who interrogated him learned, for which he’d been prescribed medication — medication he said he had stopped taking.

Since the start of the pandemic, a wave of violence against Asian Americans has swept across the country

Everybody says that, but is it really true? We have the CDC’s record of homicide victimizations, which were the exact same for Asians in 2020 as in 2019, before going up 7 percent in 2021.

My recollection is that there was an enormous amount of media attention to the subject of a potential wave of anti-Asian violence at the beginning of the pandemic due to Trump saying “China flu,” including countless op-eds by Asian women writers about people asking them where they were really from and touching their long, luscious hair. But because a wave of anti-Chinese violence didn’t go through the formality of taking place, the press more or less dropped the subject in the second half of 2020.

But then in early 2021, a spate of nasty videos went viral of blacks attacking elderly Asians. But it’s hard to tell if this represented greater targeting of Asians or if it were more a politically correct way to suggest that blacks have been running amok since 2020.

, brazen assaults in which victims were spat on, punched, shoved off subway platforms, fatally stabbed and shot. In a striking number of the attacks that have made the news, the individuals arrested have, like Mr. Ramsey, turned out to have severe mental health problems.

It might almost have something to do with lots of dangerous blacks being released from jails and mental hospitals due to the pandemic and the Floyd Effect.

… Given this pattern, talking openly about the role that mental illness may play in racially motivated violence seems overdue and necessary. But there are reasons conversations on this subject are also dangerous and fraught. Some people may fear that having such discussions will reinforce negative stereotypes, in particular by playing into the widespread perception that the mentally ill are violent and dangerous. In reality, people who experience mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violence than to carry it out, notes Carlos Cuevas, a clinical psychologist and professor at Northeastern University who studies hate crimes.

I always hear that, and maybe it’s true for, say, the depressed. But for schizophrenics, it’s very much false:

Individuals with schizophrenia are 4 to 7 times more likely to commit violent crimes, such as assault and homicide [4,5], and 4 to 6 times more likely to exhibit general aggressive behavior, such as verbal and physical threats [10,11], compared with the general population.

Back to the NYT, where Press begins to lay out his theory that, in effect, blacks aren’t guilty of hate crimes by reason of insanity, while whites are guilty:

Another danger is that mental illness may be invoked to deflect attention from the rhetoric and ideas that inspire acts of violent extremism. Consider how quickly some influential figures on the right cited mental health to explain the conduct of Payton Gendron, an alleged white supremacist who has been charged with murdering 10 Black people at a Tops Friendly Market in Buffalo on May 14.

 
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  1. Oh, that’s the game they’re playing. Schizophrenics are still more likely to be victims of violence than to cause it. But that doesn’t exclude their having a higher base rate of causing violence, as you say.

  2. Assigning this or that mental illness to bevies merely provides an excuse for what really is their proclivity for random, violent behavior.

    Like a caged tiger that after years of docility one day mauls it’s keeper who is feeding it.

    • Replies: @Sick n' Tired
    @Mike Tre

    Or on stage in Vegas during a magic show.

    , @anonymouseperson
    @Mike Tre

    I concur. I would work with blacks and seemingly get along with them. Then one day just out of the blue, like your tiger analogy, they would just break out in a fit of hysterical anger. I believe blacks themselves have a saying for this. They call it "going off" on someone.

  3. Blacks tend to suffer from schizophrenia more than other races

    Yeah but why?

    https://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(21)00328-0/fulltext

    The Human Nature of Psychosis: How Neanderthal Admixture is Related to Schizophrenia Diagnosis, Psychotic Symptoms, and Dopamine Functioning

    https://www.sci.news/genetics/schizophrenia-emerged-homo-sapiens-neanderthals-04102.html

    Schizophrenia Emerged after Homo sapiens Diverged from Neanderthals, Researchers Say
    ………………………………………….
    “Our findings suggest that schizophrenia vulnerability rose after the divergence of modern humans from Neanderthals and thus support the hypothesis that schizophrenia is a by-product of the complex evolution of the human brain,” Dr. Andreassen said.

    “This study suggests that schizophrenia is a modern development, one that emerged after humans diverged from Neanderthals. It suggests that early hominids did not have this disorder,” said Dr. John H. Krystal, Editor of Biological Psychiatry.

    https://www.psycom.net/schizophrenia-black-people-history-name-change

    Why Aren’t We Talking About Schizophrenia in Black People?

    Numerous studies conducted over several decades have shown that Black Americans are diagnosed at higher rates of schizophrenia than white Americans. In a 2018 analysis of data from 52 different studies,¹ researchers found that Black people are 2.4 times more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than their white counterparts and that pattern has been consistent for the past three decades. Other studies peg that rate at three and four times more likely.

    • Replies: @Tucker
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "Why Aren’t We Talking About Schizophrenia in Black People?"

    A recent example of this can be seen in that recent video taken in a subway - I do not remember the city; possibly New York, but I am not certain - where some black guy took off all of his clothes and was rolling and prancing around buck naked, with his Oscar Mayer weiner flopping around, as several security guards attempted to restrain him.

    Meanwhile, you could see dozens of White people walking by and going about their business as if they noticed nothing particularly unusual happening. So, the issue that is most concerning to me is how millions of allegedly normal White Americans have gotten so used to black schizophrenic public chimp outs that they aren't even disturbed by them anymore.

    Clearly, Whites need to wake up and understand that we need complete and total geographic permanent separation from blacks. We cannot continue to allow blacks to drag the civilization that Whites created down to the level of Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The Neanderthal gene connection is interesting. R. Lynn has proposed that different rates of psychopathy may be due to the R-K continuum of evolutionary strategy described by Rushton. It's a shame Steve can't talk about genetic causation overtly, but I guess that's for the comments section.


    This paper proposes that there are racial and ethnic differences in psychopathic personality conceptualised as a continuously distributed trait, such that high values of the trait are present in blacks and Native Americans, intermediate values in Hispanics, lower values in whites and the lowest values in East Asians. Part one of the paper sets out the evidence for this thesis. Part two applies the thesis to the unresolved problem in The Bell Curve that racial and ethnic differences in a number of social phenomena such as crime, welfare dependency, rates of marriage, etc. cannot be fully explained by differences in intelligence and proposes that some of the residual disparities are attributable to differences in psychopathic personality. Part three of the paper integrates the theory with Rushton’s r-K theory of race differences.
     
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886901000290

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Prester John
    @Bardon Kaldian

    VERY interesting, if as yet an evolving (no pun intended) hypothesis.

    , @Elli
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I think schizophrenia presents differently in blacks than whites, that blacks can remain sociable while whites become withdrawn, so they still go on to have children. Or they have children very young, before symptoms set in. Maybe schizophrenia is associated with having more children, among blacks.

    Whem articles about schizophrenic men shot by police mention the dead man's children, the man is black. Reporting bias, family choices sharing information, or true differences?

    Other possibilities: Bipolar disorder with psychosis labelled schizophrenia in blacks, the other way around in whites.

    White admixture in blacks causing schizophrenia. Contradicted by high rates of schizophrenia in black immigrants to northern countries, compared to staying in native lands. Systemic racism and immigrant stress the acceptable explanation, but what about problems with cold, sunlight, vitamin D? Somalis in Minnesota have high rates of autism, genetically linked with schizophrenia.

    Maybe we can start saying that it is genocidal to settle African refugees in the north...genocidal to the poor Africans.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    , @TWS
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The res is thick with schizophrenia and I have no idea why. There's a genetic element, it runs in some families but that could also have some environmental causes I've seen plenty of people who received a lifetime of toxic substances in the womb. FAE and FAS have changed the look of entire generations some places.

    , @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I do remember Tucker Carlson mentioning a medical paper claiming that moderate to heavy cannabis use by adolescents may be a risk factor for the development of schizophrenia in their late teens or early twenties. Fox News featured a story saying that mental health issues and associated homelessness have increased in Colorado since cannabis legalization there.

    Yo: Who be dat race dat be smokin' de mos' herb in dem High School years?

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn, @Hypnotoad666, @YetAnotherAnon

  4. Talking of racism and mental illness, this guy, Adam Posen, was a member of the Bank of England’s Monetary Policy committee until very recently.

    It’s good to know he cared so much about British workers !

    a focus on domestic manufacturing is simply a “fetish for keeping white males with low education in the powerful positions they are in.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Every time: https://twitter.com/adamposen/status/1037644738151809024?lang=en

    , @Mr. Anon
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The comment thread on that tweet was refreshing. At least some people can see.

    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Posen is, of course, a chosentite.

    , @AnotherDad
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Another astonishing clip from the Cato Institute event today, this one from the influential Adam Posen, head of the Peterson Institute. He says a focus on domestic manufacturing is simply a “fetish for keeping white males with low education in the powerful positions they are in.”
     
    Stop right there ... I can already guess.

    Seriously people--separate nations. Contra these parasites, white people actually do need to produce stuff. However, we absolutely do not need, them.
    , @Gabe Ruth
    @YetAnotherAnon

    He says it like having a fetish is a bad thing in the Current Year. Kink shaming is not OK!

  5. Before the attack occurred, Mr. Ramsey had been in San Francisco, he told the officers who brought him into custody, where, according to the police report, he’d seen “crazy things,” such as “half-dog and half-humans and half-cats and half-humans.”

    Invasion of the Body Snatchers (10/12) Movie CLIP – Dog-Man Pod (1978) HD

    Matthew (Donald Sutherland) and Elizabeth (Brooke Adams) are nearly caught when Elizabeth screams at the sight of the dog-man hybrid.

    [MORE]

    Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) – Movieclips playlist:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZbXA4lyCtqrSJ3S3KJsL6QdOkDkH0kku

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_the_Body_Snatchers_(1978_film)

    Invasion of the Body Snatchers is a 1978 American science-fiction horror film[2] directed by Philip Kaufman and starring Donald Sutherland, Brooke Adams, Veronica Cartwright, Jeff Goldblum, and Leonard Nimoy. Released on December 22, 1978, it is based on the 1955 novel The Body Snatchers by Jack Finney. The novel was previously adapted into the 1956 film of the same name. The plot involves a San Francisco health inspector and his colleague who over the course of a few days discover that humans are being replaced by alien duplicates; each is a perfect copy of the person replaced, but devoid of human emotion.

    […]
    Plot
    […]
    Matthew recognizes and unsuccesfully tries to wake Harry, a homeless busker lying asleep with his dog next to a mature pod.
    […]
    Matthew and Elizabeth reunite with Nancy, who has learned to evade the Pod People through hiding her emotions. The tactic works until Elizabeth screams at the sight of a dog-human duplicate amalgam (produced by Matthew’s kick to the pod next to Harry and his dog) and their cover is blown. They separate from Nancy in their escape and board a truck delivering plants to Pier 70, where Pod People are processing them.

    […]
    Production
    […]
    Director Philip Kaufman had been a fan of the 1956 film, which he likened to “great radio”, although he had not read the novel until after he agreed to direct the film. “I thought, ‘Well this doesn’t have to be a remake as such. It can be a new envisioning that was a variation on a theme,’ he said on the film’s 40th anniversary. The first change he anticipated was filming in color; the second was changing the location to San Francisco. “Could it happen in the city I love the most? The city with the most advanced, progressive therapies, politics and so forth? What would happen in a place like that if the pods landed there and that element of ‘poddiness’ was spread?”[4]
    […]
    All the special effects were created live for the camera. The scene at the beginning where the pods travel through space from their dead homeworld to San Francisco was one of the simplest. “I found some viscous material in an art store, I think we paid $12 for a big vat of it, and then [we dropped it] into solutions and reversed the film”, Kaufman recalled. The dog with the banjo player’s face included a mechanism whereby the creature appeared to lick itself.[4]

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @MEH 0910

    That's Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead in the role of the homeless dog-man.

    Hey, you know, this could be the best thing to happen to a homeless guy, becoming a dog. Now maybe he can get into a rescue shelter and be adopted by loving parents.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @MEH 0910

    The 70s Body Snatcher movie is the best filmic version of the novel that has, so far, spawned four editions. The direction, script, and cast are all top notch. And I 'm fond of 70s films shot in the City and the wider Bay Area. Very nostalgic.

    But the dog with the bum's head scene. According to the manner in which the alien pods produce duplicate humans the dog/bum combo makes zero sense. Although this is a horror film (with SF elements), and the key to uneasiness is subverting everyday reality. Here in the urban areas of the Golden State, one is used to seeing bums with dogs. California demographers ought to assign them their own category. Living in this dystopian landscape, most of us are ready to shrug our shoulders if we do spot a bum-headed dog. Part of Gavin Newsom's California.

    Gavin Newsom will be your President January 13, 2025.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Mep
    @MEH 0910

    https://pathwhisperer.info/2022/02/11/invasion-of-the-body-snatchers-dont-close-your-eyes-dont-fall-asleep/

    You fight them at the door or nowhere else. Don't take the jab or more booster jabs. A deliberate poison. Tbey'd have to kill me first.

  6. So when the ACLU opposes bringing back forced institutionalization of the severely mentally ill, can we accuse them of supporting racism?

    • Agree: p38ace
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Redneck farmer

    The goal of these people, TPTB, is to create more disorder (violence and crime at home and war and instability abroad). They serve the devil.

    Marijuana causes schizophrenia, psychosis, schizoaffective disorders, dropping testosterone levels, et al. In some of the nicest areas of downtown Boston (Downtown Crossing-Financial District) there are marijuana dispensaries on multiple corners. All around the Boston area— along Rte. 1, 93, and 95– are billboards advertising marijuana dispensaries. Yet a local Boston news channel is focusing on the biggest danger: alcohol! They are saying alcohol is especially a problem for younger people and alcohol use is linked to greater risk in liver cancer, cirrhosis of the liver, et al. 🧐

    What they didn’t mention is that alcohol is also linked to a greater increase in sex and babies. 🤔

    Waiting for the local news to cover even one story on the studies linking marijuana use to mental disorders. 🦗 🦗 🦗

  7. I wonder how much of this “mental illness” is real, and how much just criminal suspects play acting and sympathetic psychiatrists applying a label to (1) justify their employment and (2) convince themselves that black criminals are sick rather than simply bad people.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @International Jew

    I don't know. I do know that when I was an academic I twice had to deal with students who had become schizophrenic. It's heart-breaking, especially having to talk to their poor parents. No faking there, I assure you.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rich, @Anon, @Known Fact

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @International Jew

    They're not bad people.

    They're just what they are (an AmRen classic):

    https://www.amren.com/archives/back-issues/february-2009/#cover

    Morality and Abstract Thinking

    How Africans may differ from Westerners

    ....................................
    Gruesome cruelty

    Another aspect of African behavior that liberals do their best to ignore but that nevertheless requires an explanation is gratuitous cruelty. A reviewer of Driving South, a 1993 book by David Robbins, writes:


    A Cape social worker sees elements that revel in violence . . . It’s like a cult which has embraced a lot of people who otherwise appear normal. . . . At the slightest provocation their blood-lust is aroused. And then they want to see death, and they jeer and mock at the suffering involved, especially the suffering of a slow and agonizing death. (Citizen [Johannesburg], July 12, 1993, p.6.)
     
    There is something so unspeakably vile about this, something so beyond depravity, that the human brain recoils. This is not merely the absence of human empathy, but the positive enjoyment of human suffering, all the more so when it is “slow and agonizing.” Can you imagine jeering at and mocking someone in such horrible agony?

    During the apartheid era, black activists used to kill traitors and enemies by “necklacing” them. An old tire was put around the victim’s neck, filled with gasoline, and — but it is best to let an eye-witness describe what happened next:

    The petrol-filled tyre is jammed on your shoulders and a lighter is placed within reach . . . . Your fingers are broken, needles are pushed up your nose and you are tortured until you put the lighter to the petrol yourself. (Citizen; “SA’s New Nazis,” August 10, 1993, p.18.)
     
    The author of an article in the Chicago Tribune, describing the equally gruesome way the Hutu killed Tutsi in the Burundi massacres, marveled at “the ecstasy of killing, the lust for blood; this is the most horrible thought. It’s beyond my reach.” (“Hutu Killers Danced In Blood Of Victims, Videotapes Show,” Chicago Tribune, September 14, 1995, p.8.) The lack of any moral sense is further evidenced by their having videotaped their crimes, “apparently want[ing] to record . . . [them] for posterity.” Unlike Nazi war criminals, who hid their deeds, these people apparently took pride in their work.

    In 1993, Amy Biehl, a 26-year-old American on a Fulbright scholarship, was living in South Africa, where she spent most of her time in black townships helping blacks. One day when she was driving three African friends home, young blacks stopped the car, dragged her out, and killed her because she was white. A retired senior South African judge, Rex van Schalkwyk, in his 1998 book One Miracle is Not Enough, quotes from a newspaper report on the trial of her killers: “Supporters of the three men accused of murdering [her] . . . burst out laughing in the public gallery of the Supreme Court today when a witness told how the battered woman groaned in pain.” This behavior, Van Schalkwyk wrote, “is impossible to explain in terms accessible to rational minds.” (pp. 188-89.)

    These incidents and the responses they evoke — “the human brain recoils,” “beyond my reach,” “impossible to explain to rational minds” — represent a pattern of behavior and thinking that cannot be wished away, and offer additional support for my claim that Africans are deficient in moral consciousness.

    Replies: @Anon, @Polistra

    , @Angharad
    @International Jew

    It's the second reason.

    , @Pop Warner
    @International Jew

    Watching clips of the Parkland shooter's interrogation, I got the impression that the "voices" or "demons" speaking to him was all bullshit and he was making it up as he went.

  8. @International Jew
    I wonder how much of this "mental illness" is real, and how much just criminal suspects play acting and sympathetic psychiatrists applying a label to (1) justify their employment and (2) convince themselves that black criminals are sick rather than simply bad people.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Bardon Kaldian, @Angharad, @Pop Warner

    I don’t know. I do know that when I was an academic I twice had to deal with students who had become schizophrenic. It’s heart-breaking, especially having to talk to their poor parents. No faking there, I assure you.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @dearieme

    About 20 years ago, a reader asked me to stop using the term "schizophrenic" to mean multiple personalities because actual schizophrenics and their loved ones have different problems that that and aren't helped in their severe distress by this common misunderstanding of what schizophrenia is.

    I was going to reply snarkily, but then I realized she was right.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @dearieme, @Erik L, @TWS, @Art Deco

    , @Rich
    @dearieme

    Yes, schizophrenia is very sad, but it doesn't excuse violent acts and releasing violent schizos on the street just leads to more violence. It's difficult to fake mostly because the types of criminals who might be able to use it, usually aren't smart enough to fake it. If half of black Americans have IQs under 85, are raised by single mothers who were raised by single mothers who were raised by single mothers and are often raised in violent situations with a string of male "uncles" passing through their homes, it's no wonder that so many are violent and crazy. Sad and depressing it may be, but they should be locked up inside institutions for everyone's safety.

    , @Anon
    @dearieme

    A friend of a friend went adult-onset schitzo after college, having smoked mountains of pot. He nevertheless made it through law school and the bar exam, but never held a job. But a lawsuit he filed on his own behalf and appealed twice ended up being published as legal precedent.

    Basically, the question at issue was can you sue hundreds of John Does for various torts against you and then use subpoenas power to figure out who they are?


    This is the second occasion we have had to revisit the viability of this action. As we explained in a prior opinion,…, "This action was initiated by …. Appellant … in propria persona, … named as defendants were Does 1 through 646. The complaint alleges various claims which are best summarized as claims for trespass and invasion of privacy throughout the counties of Los Angeles, Ventura, San Diego and Las Vegas. These torts occurred at various locations which include commercial premises such as food stands, hotels, health clubs, flower shops, locksmiths, and bookstores, as well as public premises such as Dodger Stadium, parks, bike paths, beaches, piers and Marina Del Rey…. One of the specific examples of trespass alleges that … defendants placed a foreign substance on plaintiff's coffee filter with the intent of distracting and disturbing the plaintiff during a law school entrance examination taken by the plaintiff ….'"
     
    , @Known Fact
    @dearieme

    The only serious certified schizophrenic I knew well was a gentle young white guy in our dorm who became a danger mainly to himself. His parents would put him in a mental hospital but twice he walked out and came back 200 miles to my roomie and me -- apparently the only people he trusted, and then his dad would show up to collect him

  9. @International Jew
    I wonder how much of this "mental illness" is real, and how much just criminal suspects play acting and sympathetic psychiatrists applying a label to (1) justify their employment and (2) convince themselves that black criminals are sick rather than simply bad people.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Bardon Kaldian, @Angharad, @Pop Warner

    They’re not bad people.

    They’re just what they are (an AmRen classic):

    https://www.amren.com/archives/back-issues/february-2009/#cover

    Morality and Abstract Thinking

    How Africans may differ from Westerners

    ………………………………
    Gruesome cruelty

    Another aspect of African behavior that liberals do their best to ignore but that nevertheless requires an explanation is gratuitous cruelty. A reviewer of Driving South, a 1993 book by David Robbins, writes:

    A Cape social worker sees elements that revel in violence . . . It’s like a cult which has embraced a lot of people who otherwise appear normal. . . . At the slightest provocation their blood-lust is aroused. And then they want to see death, and they jeer and mock at the suffering involved, especially the suffering of a slow and agonizing death. (Citizen [Johannesburg], July 12, 1993, p.6.)

    There is something so unspeakably vile about this, something so beyond depravity, that the human brain recoils. This is not merely the absence of human empathy, but the positive enjoyment of human suffering, all the more so when it is “slow and agonizing.” Can you imagine jeering at and mocking someone in such horrible agony?

    During the apartheid era, black activists used to kill traitors and enemies by “necklacing” them. An old tire was put around the victim’s neck, filled with gasoline, and — but it is best to let an eye-witness describe what happened next:

    The petrol-filled tyre is jammed on your shoulders and a lighter is placed within reach . . . . Your fingers are broken, needles are pushed up your nose and you are tortured until you put the lighter to the petrol yourself. (Citizen; “SA’s New Nazis,” August 10, 1993, p.18.)

    The author of an article in the Chicago Tribune, describing the equally gruesome way the Hutu killed Tutsi in the Burundi massacres, marveled at “the ecstasy of killing, the lust for blood; this is the most horrible thought. It’s beyond my reach.” (“Hutu Killers Danced In Blood Of Victims, Videotapes Show,” Chicago Tribune, September 14, 1995, p.8.) The lack of any moral sense is further evidenced by their having videotaped their crimes, “apparently want[ing] to record . . . [them] for posterity.” Unlike Nazi war criminals, who hid their deeds, these people apparently took pride in their work.

    In 1993, Amy Biehl, a 26-year-old American on a Fulbright scholarship, was living in South Africa, where she spent most of her time in black townships helping blacks. One day when she was driving three African friends home, young blacks stopped the car, dragged her out, and killed her because she was white. A retired senior South African judge, Rex van Schalkwyk, in his 1998 book One Miracle is Not Enough, quotes from a newspaper report on the trial of her killers: “Supporters of the three men accused of murdering [her] . . . burst out laughing in the public gallery of the Supreme Court today when a witness told how the battered woman groaned in pain.” This behavior, Van Schalkwyk wrote, “is impossible to explain in terms accessible to rational minds.” (pp. 188-89.)

    These incidents and the responses they evoke — “the human brain recoils,” “beyond my reach,” “impossible to explain to rational minds” — represent a pattern of behavior and thinking that cannot be wished away, and offer additional support for my claim that Africans are deficient in moral consciousness.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The question for me isn't whether blacks the world over are savages - of course they are. Do we really think at most a century of half-assed attempts to civilize them was going to be all it took? The question is how long will to take to civilize them.

    They've been attempting to civilize Mexican Indians - by all measures a smarter, more accomplished and more civilized group than blacks - for 500 years but still haven't completely succeeded. 500 years is about as long as it took to civilize the Germanic tribes. How long will it take for blacks? 1,000 years?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Lockean Proviso

    , @Polistra
    @Bardon Kaldian


    A Cape social worker sees elements that revel in violence . . . It’s like a cult which has embraced a lot of people who otherwise appear normal. . . . At the slightest provocation their blood-lust is aroused. And then they want to see death, and they jeer and mock at the suffering involved, especially the suffering of a slow and agonizing death. (Citizen [Johannesburg], July 12, 1993, p.6.)
     
    Thanks for this. It's one of a very few times that I can remember seeing it articulated: the almost-universal tendency among these creatures to celebrate and revel in the suffering of their victims. The more hideous the attack, the happier these predators are.

    Two things seem to go together: their tendency to engage in horrific, needless violence, such as jumping and stomping on the heads of their unconscious victims; and the "dancing in the end zone" theatrics they display showing how much they enjoy the carnage.

    And they are inevitably plying their trade with a perp-to-victim ratio of around ten to one. Art D here says it's all just because whyte people have a bad attitude. The ones who are still alive, that is.

  10. @dearieme
    @International Jew

    I don't know. I do know that when I was an academic I twice had to deal with students who had become schizophrenic. It's heart-breaking, especially having to talk to their poor parents. No faking there, I assure you.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rich, @Anon, @Known Fact

    About 20 years ago, a reader asked me to stop using the term “schizophrenic” to mean multiple personalities because actual schizophrenics and their loved ones have different problems that that and aren’t helped in their severe distress by this common misunderstanding of what schizophrenia is.

    I was going to reply snarkily, but then I realized she was right.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Steve Sailer

    A child's friend, a very bright boy, developed schizophrenia around 18-19 - my child is convinced it was due to smoking weed from about 14 onwards - his well off, ultra-liberal media-people parents let him indulge at home. Of course today's stuff is much more potent than it was in our youth.

    At 16 he was one of the "cool kids". At 25 and afaik still with troubles, not so much.

    I must be getting out more, because twice recently I've passed in the street youths who absolutely reeked of "skunk".

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus

    , @dearieme
    @Steve Sailer

    It really is dreadful. Some bright boy, who was a star at school, goes up to university and thrives in his fresher year. Then in his second or third year his teachers realise that he's no longer in his right mind. Naturally his classmates may have sniffed trouble but to his parents it comes as an almighty shock. Their golden boy has inexplicably become bonkers and a threat to his own further health. He is ruined for life.

    The boy himself is bewildered and increasingly unhappy; he knows something is going wrong. The blow to his classmates and teachers is trivial compared to the blow to his parents. I'm close to tears even remembering the poor sods.

    I was involved in each case because I was the victim's Director of Studies. I suppose in the US the professors would promptly have ducked out of the problem and left the poor lad in the hands of "experts" who were strangers to him. Or am I being unfair?

    We weren't so off hand: at least a teacher he knew remained connected to his case even after the medics were called in. About the only good aspect of my two cases was that there was no sign that the lad was yet a threat to anyone else.

    (Unlike the case of a somewhat odd classmate of mine in fresher days. Decades later the TV news showed him leaving a court in handcuffs having been found guilty of the attempted murder of his wife "using his professional skills as a biochemist".)

    , @Erik L
    @Steve Sailer

    In that case you shouldn't abbreviated schizophrenia as "schizo" because there are distinct mental illnesses that also start with that- schizoid personality and schizotypal personality

    , @TWS
    @Steve Sailer

    They aren't helped, but then what does help other than forcing them to take their meds?

    Replies: @Rob

    , @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    There are north of two million people in this country who have had schizophreniform breakdowns. "Dissociative disorder" is rare as hen's teeth to the extent that it exists at all.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

  11. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    In reality, people who experience mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violence than to carry it out, notes Carlos Cuevas, a clinical psychologist and professor at Northeastern University who studies hate crimes.

    I always hear that, and maybe it’s true for, say, the depressed. But for schizophrenics, it’s very much false:

    Individuals with schizophrenia are 4 to 7 times more likely to commit violent crimes, such as assault and homicide [4,5], and 4 to 6 times more likely to exhibit general aggressive behavior, such as verbal and physical threats [10,11], compared with the general population.

    Those don’t necessarily contradict each other.

    One compares “mentally ill crime victims : mentally ill criminals.”
    The other compares “mntally ill criminals : general population criminals”

    It’s not just the switcheroo of “mentally ill” with “schizos”.

    Lunatics tend to become homeless, or live in highly undesirable locations, or be in prison. Which puts you in close proximity to other lunatics, including violent lunatics. So it’s not surprising they have a high crime victimization rate, as well as a high crime rate

  12. @YetAnotherAnon
    Talking of racism and mental illness, this guy, Adam Posen, was a member of the Bank of England's Monetary Policy committee until very recently.

    It's good to know he cared so much about British workers !

    https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1578130142655905816

    a focus on domestic manufacturing is simply a “fetish for keeping white males with low education in the powerful positions they are in.
     

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Mr. Anon, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @AnotherDad, @Gabe Ruth

  13. @Bardon Kaldian

    Blacks tend to suffer from schizophrenia more than other races
     
    Yeah but why?

    https://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(21)00328-0/fulltext

    The Human Nature of Psychosis: How Neanderthal Admixture is Related to Schizophrenia Diagnosis, Psychotic Symptoms, and Dopamine Functioning


    https://www.sci.news/genetics/schizophrenia-emerged-homo-sapiens-neanderthals-04102.html

    Schizophrenia Emerged after Homo sapiens Diverged from Neanderthals, Researchers Say
    .................................................
    “Our findings suggest that schizophrenia vulnerability rose after the divergence of modern humans from Neanderthals and thus support the hypothesis that schizophrenia is a by-product of the complex evolution of the human brain,” Dr. Andreassen said.

    “This study suggests that schizophrenia is a modern development, one that emerged after humans diverged from Neanderthals. It suggests that early hominids did not have this disorder,” said Dr. John H. Krystal, Editor of Biological Psychiatry.

    https://www.psycom.net/schizophrenia-black-people-history-name-change

    Why Aren't We Talking About Schizophrenia in Black People?


    Numerous studies conducted over several decades have shown that Black Americans are diagnosed at higher rates of schizophrenia than white Americans. In a 2018 analysis of data from 52 different studies,¹ researchers found that Black people are 2.4 times more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than their white counterparts and that pattern has been consistent for the past three decades. Other studies peg that rate at three and four times more likely.

    Replies: @Tucker, @Hypnotoad666, @Prester John, @Elli, @TWS, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    “Why Aren’t We Talking About Schizophrenia in Black People?”

    A recent example of this can be seen in that recent video taken in a subway – I do not remember the city; possibly New York, but I am not certain – where some black guy took off all of his clothes and was rolling and prancing around buck naked, with his Oscar Mayer weiner flopping around, as several security guards attempted to restrain him.

    Meanwhile, you could see dozens of White people walking by and going about their business as if they noticed nothing particularly unusual happening. So, the issue that is most concerning to me is how millions of allegedly normal White Americans have gotten so used to black schizophrenic public chimp outs that they aren’t even disturbed by them anymore.

    Clearly, Whites need to wake up and understand that we need complete and total geographic permanent separation from blacks. We cannot continue to allow blacks to drag the civilization that Whites created down to the level of Zimbabwe.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Tucker


    Clearly, Whites need to wake up and understand that we need complete and total geographic permanent separation from blacks. We cannot continue to allow blacks to drag the civilization that Whites created down to the level of Zimbabwe.
     
    Welp, this "White" came to that conclusion about 45 years ago. It's been frustrating, to say the least.

    Almost every negro is pretty much "mentally ill", and since almost all are drugged out every day of their lives after the age of 12 or so (at the outside--many start at 8 or 9), it's a big problem.

    Even IKAGOs (really, there's no such thing) Look at the Herschel Walker debacle.

    Never put a single egg, much less all your eggs, in a negro basket.

    Of course, the current poster boy for Klueless Kucks is Kanye West. That will end in a trainwreck. Will anybody ever learn?

    Replies: @Tucker

  14. @Steve Sailer
    @dearieme

    About 20 years ago, a reader asked me to stop using the term "schizophrenic" to mean multiple personalities because actual schizophrenics and their loved ones have different problems that that and aren't helped in their severe distress by this common misunderstanding of what schizophrenia is.

    I was going to reply snarkily, but then I realized she was right.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @dearieme, @Erik L, @TWS, @Art Deco

    A child’s friend, a very bright boy, developed schizophrenia around 18-19 – my child is convinced it was due to smoking weed from about 14 onwards – his well off, ultra-liberal media-people parents let him indulge at home. Of course today’s stuff is much more potent than it was in our youth.

    At 16 he was one of the “cool kids”. At 25 and afaik still with troubles, not so much.

    I must be getting out more, because twice recently I’ve passed in the street youths who absolutely reeked of “skunk”.

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @YetAnotherAnon


    my child is convinced it was due to smoking weed from about 14 onwards
     
    18 or 19 is the typical age at which youth have their first schizophrenic break - they do this whether or not they smoke weed. Millions of people smoke weed without becoming schizophrenic. It's possible that smoking dope aggravates or speeds up schizophrenic tendencies but probably this fellow was on the road to schizophrenia anyway - it has a strong genetic component and it can be heartbreaking because it turns a heretofore promising youth into a hopeless mess.

    Speaking of smoking though, an extremely high % of schizophrenics (something like 70 to 80%) are cigarette smokers. It's possible that nicotine is a form of self-medication for them.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8687814/

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Pixo

    , @Corvinus
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Cannabis may cause schizophrenia symptoms to start earlier in life, provided the individual is predisposed to that mental illness. Otherwise, weed does not magically lead a normal person to become a schizophrenic.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  15. @Steve Sailer
    @dearieme

    About 20 years ago, a reader asked me to stop using the term "schizophrenic" to mean multiple personalities because actual schizophrenics and their loved ones have different problems that that and aren't helped in their severe distress by this common misunderstanding of what schizophrenia is.

    I was going to reply snarkily, but then I realized she was right.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @dearieme, @Erik L, @TWS, @Art Deco

    It really is dreadful. Some bright boy, who was a star at school, goes up to university and thrives in his fresher year. Then in his second or third year his teachers realise that he’s no longer in his right mind. Naturally his classmates may have sniffed trouble but to his parents it comes as an almighty shock. Their golden boy has inexplicably become bonkers and a threat to his own further health. He is ruined for life.

    The boy himself is bewildered and increasingly unhappy; he knows something is going wrong. The blow to his classmates and teachers is trivial compared to the blow to his parents. I’m close to tears even remembering the poor sods.

    I was involved in each case because I was the victim’s Director of Studies. I suppose in the US the professors would promptly have ducked out of the problem and left the poor lad in the hands of “experts” who were strangers to him. Or am I being unfair?

    We weren’t so off hand: at least a teacher he knew remained connected to his case even after the medics were called in. About the only good aspect of my two cases was that there was no sign that the lad was yet a threat to anyone else.

    (Unlike the case of a somewhat odd classmate of mine in fresher days. Decades later the TV news showed him leaving a court in handcuffs having been found guilty of the attempted murder of his wife “using his professional skills as a biochemist”.)

  16. @dearieme
    @International Jew

    I don't know. I do know that when I was an academic I twice had to deal with students who had become schizophrenic. It's heart-breaking, especially having to talk to their poor parents. No faking there, I assure you.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rich, @Anon, @Known Fact

    Yes, schizophrenia is very sad, but it doesn’t excuse violent acts and releasing violent schizos on the street just leads to more violence. It’s difficult to fake mostly because the types of criminals who might be able to use it, usually aren’t smart enough to fake it. If half of black Americans have IQs under 85, are raised by single mothers who were raised by single mothers who were raised by single mothers and are often raised in violent situations with a string of male “uncles” passing through their homes, it’s no wonder that so many are violent and crazy. Sad and depressing it may be, but they should be locked up inside institutions for everyone’s safety.

  17. anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, are you aware that for decades, “normal” black people have self-forgivingly referred to their younger selves as “crazy”? I meet tons of ‘70ish golfers who tell me, “I used to drive it 300 yards.”. If you talk to blacks in their 30s, they’re constantly saying, “I was kkrraaaaaazzzy then.”

  18. Back to the NYT, where Press begins to lay out his theory that, in effect, blacks aren’t guilty of hate crimes by reason of insanity, while whites are guilty:

    To be fair, this is basically true. The manifesto of the Buffalo mass murderer echoed that of the New Zealand one and was coherent. Maybe they were “mentally ill” in the sense that murdering innocent people is psychopathic, but they clearly are different from black guys who “randomly” attack a stranger.

    • Agree: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Dave Pinsen

    You're being too generous. Plenty of Black crime is motivated by racial hatred, but is not called out for reasons.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  19. Let’s just cut to the chase: it’s White peoples fault. It’s our fault that blacks are more violent and have higher rates of mental illness, and it’s also our fault that blacks are attacking Asians. Gotta lay the blame where it always belongs, right?

    • Agree: Detroit Refugee
  20. @Dave Pinsen

    Back to the NYT, where Press begins to lay out his theory that, in effect, blacks aren’t guilty of hate crimes by reason of insanity, while whites are guilty:
     
    To be fair, this is basically true. The manifesto of the Buffalo mass murderer echoed that of the New Zealand one and was coherent. Maybe they were “mentally ill” in the sense that murdering innocent people is psychopathic, but they clearly are different from black guys who “randomly” attack a stranger.

    Replies: @bomag

    You’re being too generous. Plenty of Black crime is motivated by racial hatred, but is not called out for reasons.

    • Agree: David In TN
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @bomag

    Like Steve said, they go together, but ultimately I think it’s mostly sadism against vulnerable victims. Crazy black men rarely seem so crazy as to attack more formidable opponents. They might mutter anti-white or anti-Asian comments in the process, but if there no other races around, they’d probably attack an elderly black woman.

    In fact, an elderly black man in Philadelphia was recently beaten to death by some black tweens. They probably weren’t schizophrenics, just sadists.

    Replies: @Technite78, @Dennis Dale

  21. It’s always been going on. Chuck Nevius was brave enough to write about Black on Asian violence back in 2010. He couldn’t get away with it today.
    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/nevius/article/Dirty-secret-of-black-on-Asian-violence-is-out-3265760.php

  22. You should be able to sue government officials, personally, if you are attacked by someone released from jail or a mental institution.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Spud Boy


    You should be able to sue government officials, personally, if you are attacked by someone released from jail or a mental institution.
     
    Yes, but you would usually end up suing government officials called judges, and you know the Supreme Court would never allow that.
  23. “Individuals with schizophrenia are 4 to 7 times more likely to commit violent crimes, such as assault and homicide [4,5], and 4 to 6 times more likely to exhibit general aggressive behavior, such as verbal and physical threats [10,11], compared with the general population.”

    The question for the producers of Jeopardy! would be, “What is the rate for AFRICAN individuals with schizophrenia re likelihood to commit violent crimes?” My guess it’s astronomical–well above 10x.

  24. @Bardon Kaldian

    Blacks tend to suffer from schizophrenia more than other races
     
    Yeah but why?

    https://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(21)00328-0/fulltext

    The Human Nature of Psychosis: How Neanderthal Admixture is Related to Schizophrenia Diagnosis, Psychotic Symptoms, and Dopamine Functioning


    https://www.sci.news/genetics/schizophrenia-emerged-homo-sapiens-neanderthals-04102.html

    Schizophrenia Emerged after Homo sapiens Diverged from Neanderthals, Researchers Say
    .................................................
    “Our findings suggest that schizophrenia vulnerability rose after the divergence of modern humans from Neanderthals and thus support the hypothesis that schizophrenia is a by-product of the complex evolution of the human brain,” Dr. Andreassen said.

    “This study suggests that schizophrenia is a modern development, one that emerged after humans diverged from Neanderthals. It suggests that early hominids did not have this disorder,” said Dr. John H. Krystal, Editor of Biological Psychiatry.

    https://www.psycom.net/schizophrenia-black-people-history-name-change

    Why Aren't We Talking About Schizophrenia in Black People?


    Numerous studies conducted over several decades have shown that Black Americans are diagnosed at higher rates of schizophrenia than white Americans. In a 2018 analysis of data from 52 different studies,¹ researchers found that Black people are 2.4 times more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than their white counterparts and that pattern has been consistent for the past three decades. Other studies peg that rate at three and four times more likely.

    Replies: @Tucker, @Hypnotoad666, @Prester John, @Elli, @TWS, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    The Neanderthal gene connection is interesting. R. Lynn has proposed that different rates of psychopathy may be due to the R-K continuum of evolutionary strategy described by Rushton. It’s a shame Steve can’t talk about genetic causation overtly, but I guess that’s for the comments section.

    This paper proposes that there are racial and ethnic differences in psychopathic personality conceptualised as a continuously distributed trait, such that high values of the trait are present in blacks and Native Americans, intermediate values in Hispanics, lower values in whites and the lowest values in East Asians. Part one of the paper sets out the evidence for this thesis. Part two applies the thesis to the unresolved problem in The Bell Curve that racial and ethnic differences in a number of social phenomena such as crime, welfare dependency, rates of marriage, etc. cannot be fully explained by differences in intelligence and proposes that some of the residual disparities are attributable to differences in psychopathic personality. Part three of the paper integrates the theory with Rushton’s r-K theory of race differences.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886901000290

    • Agree: Meretricious
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Hypnotoad666

    There is no "Neanderthal gene connection", you fucking oaf. The article said schizophrenia emerged AFTER the split from Neanderthals. It's an African, non-Neanderthal genetic link.

  25. Another danger is that mental illness may be invoked to deflect attention from the rhetoric and ideas that inspire acts of violent extremism.

    We are supposed to think “Trump” when the writer refers to “rhetoric and ideas that inspire acts of violent extremism.”

    We’re not supposed to think “Biden,” although only a few days after The Dark Brandon speech in which he described MAGA Republicans as a threat to the nation, Shannon Brandt deliberately ran over and killed 18-year-old Cayler Ellingson after the two had a political argument. Brandt said Ellingson was “part of a Republican extremist group.”

    In a similar vein, Steve has noted that Micah Xavier Johnson’s ambush of of police officers in Dallas, Texas, in which he shot and killed five officers, and wounded nine others, occurred shortly after a speech by Obama accusing police of racism.

    • Thanks: ic1000
  26. From City Journal yesterday, on how the data on Asian hate crime is unreliable for various reasons.

    https://www.city-journal.org/anti-asian-violence-separating-truth-from-narrative

  27. Blacks tend to suffer from schizophrenia more than other races and tend to be more violent.

    How’s this supposed to work out in conjunction with our Great THC Legalization Experiment–people have thought this through, right?

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    How’s this supposed to work out in conjunction with our Great THC Legalization Experiment–people have thought this through, right?


    The stupid ones haven't, the evil ones have.

  28. @Mike Tre
    Assigning this or that mental illness to bevies merely provides an excuse for what really is their proclivity for random, violent behavior.

    Like a caged tiger that after years of docility one day mauls it’s keeper who is feeding it.

    Replies: @Sick n' Tired, @anonymouseperson

    Or on stage in Vegas during a magic show.

  29. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @dearieme
    @International Jew

    I don't know. I do know that when I was an academic I twice had to deal with students who had become schizophrenic. It's heart-breaking, especially having to talk to their poor parents. No faking there, I assure you.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rich, @Anon, @Known Fact

    A friend of a friend went adult-onset schitzo after college, having smoked mountains of pot. He nevertheless made it through law school and the bar exam, but never held a job. But a lawsuit he filed on his own behalf and appealed twice ended up being published as legal precedent.

    Basically, the question at issue was can you sue hundreds of John Does for various torts against you and then use subpoenas power to figure out who they are?

    This is the second occasion we have had to revisit the viability of this action. As we explained in a prior opinion,…, “This action was initiated by …. Appellant … in propria persona, … named as defendants were Does 1 through 646. The complaint alleges various claims which are best summarized as claims for trespass and invasion of privacy throughout the counties of Los Angeles, Ventura, San Diego and Las Vegas. These torts occurred at various locations which include commercial premises such as food stands, hotels, health clubs, flower shops, locksmiths, and bookstores, as well as public premises such as Dodger Stadium, parks, bike paths, beaches, piers and Marina Del Rey…. One of the specific examples of trespass alleges that … defendants placed a foreign substance on plaintiff’s coffee filter with the intent of distracting and disturbing the plaintiff during a law school entrance examination taken by the plaintiff ….’”

  30. Before the attack occurred, Mr. Ramsey had been in San Francisco, he told the officers who brought him into custody, where, according to the police report, he’d seen “crazy things,” such as “half-dog and half-humans and half-cats and half-humans.” Mr. Ramsey, who was homeless, had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia,……………..

    Given that he lives in San Francisco, he undoubtedly has seen a lot of crazy things. How does one diagnose a person in Frisco with a mental disease? The whole city has a mental disease.

    … Given this pattern, talking openly about the role that mental illness may play in racially motivated violence seems overdue and necessary.

    Ah, now we get down to the point of the article. What the writer is really saying is that anybody who has a non officially-sanctioned view on race is really mentally ill and needs treatment. Involuntary treatment of course. And when he says “violence” he really also means things that somebody might say because now they claim that speech can be an act of violence too.

    But there are reasons conversations on this subject are also dangerous and fraught.

    Fraught? Fraught with what? And, anyway, this J-school hack needs to get with the times. We no longer have “conversations on” subjects; we have “conversations around” subjects.

    • Replies: @fish
    @Mr. Anon

    Stupid buttons.....agree......agree dammit!

  31. Anonymous[548] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer
    So when the ACLU opposes bringing back forced institutionalization of the severely mentally ill, can we accuse them of supporting racism?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The goal of these people, TPTB, is to create more disorder (violence and crime at home and war and instability abroad). They serve the devil.

    Marijuana causes schizophrenia, psychosis, schizoaffective disorders, dropping testosterone levels, et al. In some of the nicest areas of downtown Boston (Downtown Crossing-Financial District) there are marijuana dispensaries on multiple corners. All around the Boston area— along Rte. 1, 93, and 95– are billboards advertising marijuana dispensaries. Yet a local Boston news channel is focusing on the biggest danger: alcohol! They are saying alcohol is especially a problem for younger people and alcohol use is linked to greater risk in liver cancer, cirrhosis of the liver, et al. 🧐

    What they didn’t mention is that alcohol is also linked to a greater increase in sex and babies. 🤔

    Waiting for the local news to cover even one story on the studies linking marijuana use to mental disorders. 🦗 🦗 🦗

  32. @YetAnotherAnon
    Talking of racism and mental illness, this guy, Adam Posen, was a member of the Bank of England's Monetary Policy committee until very recently.

    It's good to know he cared so much about British workers !

    https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1578130142655905816

    a focus on domestic manufacturing is simply a “fetish for keeping white males with low education in the powerful positions they are in.
     

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Mr. Anon, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @AnotherDad, @Gabe Ruth

    The comment thread on that tweet was refreshing. At least some people can see.

  33. Most black mental illness is caused by a history of recreational drug use that is brain damaging.

    Black life on welfare is not stressful. It’s very relaxing to live off someone else’s money.

    • Agree: p38ace
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anon

    There are currently about 2 million people collecting TANF, of whom about 800,000 are black. That amounts to 2% of the black population.

    Replies: @Alden

  34. In reality, people who experience mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violence than to carry it out, notes Carlos Cuevas, a clinical psychologist and professor at Northeastern University who studies hate crimes.

    So why isn’t this article about the epidemic of hate crimes against the mentally ill, instead of by the mentally ill?

  35. Your comment about the crime rate of schizophrenics doesnt really contradict what Prof. Curvas said.

    In general, his “observation” doesnt mean much of anything. Its not hard to imagine that crazy people are more likely both to commit and to suffer from violent crime.

    • Replies: @Pgbh
    @Pgbh

    This is a classic example of distracting from a true observation with some irrelevant bullshit, a move which i see all the time.

  36. @Pgbh
    Your comment about the crime rate of schizophrenics doesnt really contradict what Prof. Curvas said.

    In general, his "observation" doesnt mean much of anything. Its not hard to imagine that crazy people are more likely both to commit and to suffer from violent crime.

    Replies: @Pgbh

    This is a classic example of distracting from a true observation with some irrelevant bullshit, a move which i see all the time.

  37. @Steve Sailer
    @dearieme

    About 20 years ago, a reader asked me to stop using the term "schizophrenic" to mean multiple personalities because actual schizophrenics and their loved ones have different problems that that and aren't helped in their severe distress by this common misunderstanding of what schizophrenia is.

    I was going to reply snarkily, but then I realized she was right.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @dearieme, @Erik L, @TWS, @Art Deco

    In that case you shouldn’t abbreviated schizophrenia as “schizo” because there are distinct mental illnesses that also start with that- schizoid personality and schizotypal personality

    • Thanks: Corvinus
  38. Schizophrenia is so sad. A kid is mostly normal and then starts hearing voices and gabbling nonsense. It manifests in the early 20s and in my freewheeling 20s I felt like a schizophrenic magnet. I read the RD Laing crap in a college course and liked the idea that they are not flying out of formation but in a different formation. Reality cruelly crushed that diagnosis. I came up with my own definition of crazy and why it’s a drag: a person who, no matter how much you sympathetically talk and listen, won’t aim for a way to get along (crazy seems to have become dominant in MSM…).

    I remember my first black schizophrenic in college. I’d never met him, but he knocked on my dorm room door and wanted to tell me he could read my mind and that I was a racist. I listened to him for three minutes and then shut the door. As I’ve become more astute at recognizing schizophrenics I’ve reduced my avoidance delay from three minutes to three seconds.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @New Dealer

    It is sad. My own mother suffered from acute paranoia which required hospitalization on two occasions. It emerged suddenly and no one knew why. Interestingly she was menopausal which suggests a possible connection. As Bill Buckley once said "we don't know much more about the human mind than Plato did two thousand years ago."

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @TelfoedJohn
    @New Dealer


    As I’ve become more astute at recognizing schizophrenics I’ve reduced my avoidance delay from three minutes to three seconds.
     
    Among close friends, we used to use the acronym CBT - Crazy Black Time - to compare different tube stations of London. It was the amount of minutes before encountering a Schizo black man (or occasionally woman). Brixton was a 3. Hampstead a respectable 40.
    , @Almost Missouri
    @New Dealer


    I remember my first black schizophrenic in college. I’d never met him, but he knocked on my dorm room door and wanted to tell me he could read my mind and that I was a racist.
     
    That guy wasn't schizophrenic, he was canvassing for the Congressional Black Caucus.

    Replies: @New Dealer

    , @anonymouseperson
    @New Dealer

    "He could read my mind and that I was a racist".

    Hell, he didn't need to be a mind reader about that. It is just what 95% of blacks believe.

    , @Bill Jones
    @New Dealer


    he could read my mind and that I was a racist.
     
    Damn. What were the odds of getting the one smart one?
  39. @Bardon Kaldian

    Blacks tend to suffer from schizophrenia more than other races
     
    Yeah but why?

    https://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(21)00328-0/fulltext

    The Human Nature of Psychosis: How Neanderthal Admixture is Related to Schizophrenia Diagnosis, Psychotic Symptoms, and Dopamine Functioning


    https://www.sci.news/genetics/schizophrenia-emerged-homo-sapiens-neanderthals-04102.html

    Schizophrenia Emerged after Homo sapiens Diverged from Neanderthals, Researchers Say
    .................................................
    “Our findings suggest that schizophrenia vulnerability rose after the divergence of modern humans from Neanderthals and thus support the hypothesis that schizophrenia is a by-product of the complex evolution of the human brain,” Dr. Andreassen said.

    “This study suggests that schizophrenia is a modern development, one that emerged after humans diverged from Neanderthals. It suggests that early hominids did not have this disorder,” said Dr. John H. Krystal, Editor of Biological Psychiatry.

    https://www.psycom.net/schizophrenia-black-people-history-name-change

    Why Aren't We Talking About Schizophrenia in Black People?


    Numerous studies conducted over several decades have shown that Black Americans are diagnosed at higher rates of schizophrenia than white Americans. In a 2018 analysis of data from 52 different studies,¹ researchers found that Black people are 2.4 times more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than their white counterparts and that pattern has been consistent for the past three decades. Other studies peg that rate at three and four times more likely.

    Replies: @Tucker, @Hypnotoad666, @Prester John, @Elli, @TWS, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    VERY interesting, if as yet an evolving (no pun intended) hypothesis.

  40. @Bardon Kaldian

    Blacks tend to suffer from schizophrenia more than other races
     
    Yeah but why?

    https://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(21)00328-0/fulltext

    The Human Nature of Psychosis: How Neanderthal Admixture is Related to Schizophrenia Diagnosis, Psychotic Symptoms, and Dopamine Functioning


    https://www.sci.news/genetics/schizophrenia-emerged-homo-sapiens-neanderthals-04102.html

    Schizophrenia Emerged after Homo sapiens Diverged from Neanderthals, Researchers Say
    .................................................
    “Our findings suggest that schizophrenia vulnerability rose after the divergence of modern humans from Neanderthals and thus support the hypothesis that schizophrenia is a by-product of the complex evolution of the human brain,” Dr. Andreassen said.

    “This study suggests that schizophrenia is a modern development, one that emerged after humans diverged from Neanderthals. It suggests that early hominids did not have this disorder,” said Dr. John H. Krystal, Editor of Biological Psychiatry.

    https://www.psycom.net/schizophrenia-black-people-history-name-change

    Why Aren't We Talking About Schizophrenia in Black People?


    Numerous studies conducted over several decades have shown that Black Americans are diagnosed at higher rates of schizophrenia than white Americans. In a 2018 analysis of data from 52 different studies,¹ researchers found that Black people are 2.4 times more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than their white counterparts and that pattern has been consistent for the past three decades. Other studies peg that rate at three and four times more likely.

    Replies: @Tucker, @Hypnotoad666, @Prester John, @Elli, @TWS, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    I think schizophrenia presents differently in blacks than whites, that blacks can remain sociable while whites become withdrawn, so they still go on to have children. Or they have children very young, before symptoms set in. Maybe schizophrenia is associated with having more children, among blacks.

    Whem articles about schizophrenic men shot by police mention the dead man’s children, the man is black. Reporting bias, family choices sharing information, or true differences?

    Other possibilities: Bipolar disorder with psychosis labelled schizophrenia in blacks, the other way around in whites.

    White admixture in blacks causing schizophrenia. Contradicted by high rates of schizophrenia in black immigrants to northern countries, compared to staying in native lands. Systemic racism and immigrant stress the acceptable explanation, but what about problems with cold, sunlight, vitamin D? Somalis in Minnesota have high rates of autism, genetically linked with schizophrenia.

    Maybe we can start saying that it is genocidal to settle African refugees in the north…genocidal to the poor Africans.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Elli

    Genocidal to the poor whites who have to live with them.

  41. @Bardon Kaldian

    Blacks tend to suffer from schizophrenia more than other races
     
    Yeah but why?

    https://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(21)00328-0/fulltext

    The Human Nature of Psychosis: How Neanderthal Admixture is Related to Schizophrenia Diagnosis, Psychotic Symptoms, and Dopamine Functioning


    https://www.sci.news/genetics/schizophrenia-emerged-homo-sapiens-neanderthals-04102.html

    Schizophrenia Emerged after Homo sapiens Diverged from Neanderthals, Researchers Say
    .................................................
    “Our findings suggest that schizophrenia vulnerability rose after the divergence of modern humans from Neanderthals and thus support the hypothesis that schizophrenia is a by-product of the complex evolution of the human brain,” Dr. Andreassen said.

    “This study suggests that schizophrenia is a modern development, one that emerged after humans diverged from Neanderthals. It suggests that early hominids did not have this disorder,” said Dr. John H. Krystal, Editor of Biological Psychiatry.

    https://www.psycom.net/schizophrenia-black-people-history-name-change

    Why Aren't We Talking About Schizophrenia in Black People?


    Numerous studies conducted over several decades have shown that Black Americans are diagnosed at higher rates of schizophrenia than white Americans. In a 2018 analysis of data from 52 different studies,¹ researchers found that Black people are 2.4 times more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than their white counterparts and that pattern has been consistent for the past three decades. Other studies peg that rate at three and four times more likely.

    Replies: @Tucker, @Hypnotoad666, @Prester John, @Elli, @TWS, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    The res is thick with schizophrenia and I have no idea why. There’s a genetic element, it runs in some families but that could also have some environmental causes I’ve seen plenty of people who received a lifetime of toxic substances in the womb. FAE and FAS have changed the look of entire generations some places.

  42. @New Dealer
    Schizophrenia is so sad. A kid is mostly normal and then starts hearing voices and gabbling nonsense. It manifests in the early 20s and in my freewheeling 20s I felt like a schizophrenic magnet. I read the RD Laing crap in a college course and liked the idea that they are not flying out of formation but in a different formation. Reality cruelly crushed that diagnosis. I came up with my own definition of crazy and why it's a drag: a person who, no matter how much you sympathetically talk and listen, won't aim for a way to get along (crazy seems to have become dominant in MSM...).

    I remember my first black schizophrenic in college. I'd never met him, but he knocked on my dorm room door and wanted to tell me he could read my mind and that I was a racist. I listened to him for three minutes and then shut the door. As I've become more astute at recognizing schizophrenics I've reduced my avoidance delay from three minutes to three seconds.

    Replies: @Prester John, @TelfoedJohn, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Bill Jones

    It is sad. My own mother suffered from acute paranoia which required hospitalization on two occasions. It emerged suddenly and no one knew why. Interestingly she was menopausal which suggests a possible connection. As Bill Buckley once said “we don’t know much more about the human mind than Plato did two thousand years ago.”

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Prester John

    “we don’t know much more about the human mind than Plato did two thousand years ago.”

    A relative with a PhD and MD told me the same thing.

    BTW, looks like it's back to the drawing board for depression.

    https://theconversation.com/depression-is-probably-not-caused-by-a-chemical-imbalance-in-the-brain-new-study-186672

  43. @Steve Sailer
    @dearieme

    About 20 years ago, a reader asked me to stop using the term "schizophrenic" to mean multiple personalities because actual schizophrenics and their loved ones have different problems that that and aren't helped in their severe distress by this common misunderstanding of what schizophrenia is.

    I was going to reply snarkily, but then I realized she was right.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @dearieme, @Erik L, @TWS, @Art Deco

    They aren’t helped, but then what does help other than forcing them to take their meds?

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Replies: @Rob
    @TWS

    No, we are.

    It’s not just muggles who think schizophrenia means two personalities. Future (and new) schizophrenics think that too. I would have gotten treatment years earlier had I known that introvertive anhedonia is the start. That and delusions were the first symptoms and I had them for more than a decade.

    Caused lots of problems.

    Replies: @TWS

  44. @dearieme
    @International Jew

    I don't know. I do know that when I was an academic I twice had to deal with students who had become schizophrenic. It's heart-breaking, especially having to talk to their poor parents. No faking there, I assure you.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rich, @Anon, @Known Fact

    The only serious certified schizophrenic I knew well was a gentle young white guy in our dorm who became a danger mainly to himself. His parents would put him in a mental hospital but twice he walked out and came back 200 miles to my roomie and me — apparently the only people he trusted, and then his dad would show up to collect him

  45. Seeing all this unfold on the streets of Manhattan for more than 40 years, my impression is that the black homeless wandering around are much more likely to be dangerously hyper while the whites are more likely to be passed out on some cardboard under a scaffold

  46. @Steve Sailer
    @dearieme

    About 20 years ago, a reader asked me to stop using the term "schizophrenic" to mean multiple personalities because actual schizophrenics and their loved ones have different problems that that and aren't helped in their severe distress by this common misunderstanding of what schizophrenia is.

    I was going to reply snarkily, but then I realized she was right.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @dearieme, @Erik L, @TWS, @Art Deco

    There are north of two million people in this country who have had schizophreniform breakdowns. “Dissociative disorder” is rare as hen’s teeth to the extent that it exists at all.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Art Deco

    "'Dissociative disorder' is rare as hen's teeth to the extent that it exists at all."

    Now, Art. I respect your position of Knower of All Things. Dissociation Disorder is as American as The Wizard of Oz. The man behind the curtain has installed a system whereby we hapless saps aka schmos are unable to find connections, continuity between the various cause and effects that affect our lives. I dare say, Art, that intelligent (but not wise) chaps like you and Steve Silver (Shimmery affect caused him to change his last name; but Steve doesn't know it because he suffers from DD) have completely bought into the system. You guys don't even know you're blind.

  47. In the New York Times today, believe or not, there is a remarkably balanced report — which is, to boot, a remarkably amusing one — about a woman in Brooklyn whose dog was attacked by a black man in a park. Do progressives have the right to feel safe in a park? I see the piece as a gleam of hope that people can see the folly of their politics if they get their noses rubbed in the (usually far off) consequences.

  48. But it’s hard to tell if this represented greater targeting of Asians or if it were more a politically correct way to suggest that blacks have been running amok since 2020.

    ‘Running Amok’ originally involved Malays and Indonesians, often killing successful Chinese. All it takes is a successful Asian minority to get unsuccessful minorities to run amok.

  49. @Bardon Kaldian

    Blacks tend to suffer from schizophrenia more than other races
     
    Yeah but why?

    https://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(21)00328-0/fulltext

    The Human Nature of Psychosis: How Neanderthal Admixture is Related to Schizophrenia Diagnosis, Psychotic Symptoms, and Dopamine Functioning


    https://www.sci.news/genetics/schizophrenia-emerged-homo-sapiens-neanderthals-04102.html

    Schizophrenia Emerged after Homo sapiens Diverged from Neanderthals, Researchers Say
    .................................................
    “Our findings suggest that schizophrenia vulnerability rose after the divergence of modern humans from Neanderthals and thus support the hypothesis that schizophrenia is a by-product of the complex evolution of the human brain,” Dr. Andreassen said.

    “This study suggests that schizophrenia is a modern development, one that emerged after humans diverged from Neanderthals. It suggests that early hominids did not have this disorder,” said Dr. John H. Krystal, Editor of Biological Psychiatry.

    https://www.psycom.net/schizophrenia-black-people-history-name-change

    Why Aren't We Talking About Schizophrenia in Black People?


    Numerous studies conducted over several decades have shown that Black Americans are diagnosed at higher rates of schizophrenia than white Americans. In a 2018 analysis of data from 52 different studies,¹ researchers found that Black people are 2.4 times more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia than their white counterparts and that pattern has been consistent for the past three decades. Other studies peg that rate at three and four times more likely.

    Replies: @Tucker, @Hypnotoad666, @Prester John, @Elli, @TWS, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    I do remember Tucker Carlson mentioning a medical paper claiming that moderate to heavy cannabis use by adolescents may be a risk factor for the development of schizophrenia in their late teens or early twenties. Fox News featured a story saying that mental health issues and associated homelessness have increased in Colorado since cannabis legalization there.

    Yo: Who be dat race dat be smokin’ de mos’ herb in dem High School years?

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Much of the pro-pot legislation has the idea that cannabis is a mild thing compared to alcohol, so why not legalise it? But the strength of it now means mental health issues are to be expected for regular smokers. Unlike Nordstream, the schizo-to-criminal pipeline is not something Biden will bomb. Last time I smoked it, it was quite mentally unbalancing, but 10 years earlier it was just a pleasant buzz.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Eustace Tilley (not)


    I do remember Tucker Carlson mentioning a medical paper claiming that moderate to heavy cannabis use by adolescents may be a risk factor for the development of schizophrenia in their late teens or early twenties.
     
    Alex Berenson wrote a pretty well researched book on the subject (Tell Your Children) and makes a strong case that, while pot may be relatively harmless for most people, it can trigger schizophrenia in some percentage of the population who have a genetic propensity to begin with.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVt5Y0-Wiyc

    Replies: @New Dealer

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    " Tucker Carlson mentioning a medical paper claiming that moderate to heavy cannabis use by adolescents may be a risk factor for the development of schizophrenia"


    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-021-00977-9


    "Cannabis use during adolescence is associated with an increased risk of developing psychosis...

    lots of stuff about grey matter ...

    these findings are in line with previous investigations in healthy cannabis users, and suggest that early initiation of cannabis perturbs the developmental trajectory of certain structural brain networks in a manner imparting risk for psychosis later in life."
     
  50. @New Dealer
    Schizophrenia is so sad. A kid is mostly normal and then starts hearing voices and gabbling nonsense. It manifests in the early 20s and in my freewheeling 20s I felt like a schizophrenic magnet. I read the RD Laing crap in a college course and liked the idea that they are not flying out of formation but in a different formation. Reality cruelly crushed that diagnosis. I came up with my own definition of crazy and why it's a drag: a person who, no matter how much you sympathetically talk and listen, won't aim for a way to get along (crazy seems to have become dominant in MSM...).

    I remember my first black schizophrenic in college. I'd never met him, but he knocked on my dorm room door and wanted to tell me he could read my mind and that I was a racist. I listened to him for three minutes and then shut the door. As I've become more astute at recognizing schizophrenics I've reduced my avoidance delay from three minutes to three seconds.

    Replies: @Prester John, @TelfoedJohn, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Bill Jones

    As I’ve become more astute at recognizing schizophrenics I’ve reduced my avoidance delay from three minutes to three seconds.

    Among close friends, we used to use the acronym CBT – Crazy Black Time – to compare different tube stations of London. It was the amount of minutes before encountering a Schizo black man (or occasionally woman). Brixton was a 3. Hampstead a respectable 40.

  51. Anon[309] • Disclaimer says:

    Some people may fear that having such discussions will reinforce negative stereotypes, in particular by playing into the widespread perception that the mentally ill are violent and dangerous. In reality, people who experience mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violence than to carry it out

    This is a nonsequitur. It’s entirely possible and in fact likely that the mentally ill are more likely to commit and be the victim of violence.

  52. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I do remember Tucker Carlson mentioning a medical paper claiming that moderate to heavy cannabis use by adolescents may be a risk factor for the development of schizophrenia in their late teens or early twenties. Fox News featured a story saying that mental health issues and associated homelessness have increased in Colorado since cannabis legalization there.

    Yo: Who be dat race dat be smokin' de mos' herb in dem High School years?

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn, @Hypnotoad666, @YetAnotherAnon

    Much of the pro-pot legislation has the idea that cannabis is a mild thing compared to alcohol, so why not legalise it? But the strength of it now means mental health issues are to be expected for regular smokers. Unlike Nordstream, the schizo-to-criminal pipeline is not something Biden will bomb. Last time I smoked it, it was quite mentally unbalancing, but 10 years earlier it was just a pleasant buzz.

  53. @MEH 0910

    Before the attack occurred, Mr. Ramsey had been in San Francisco, he told the officers who brought him into custody, where, according to the police report, he’d seen “crazy things,” such as “half-dog and half-humans and half-cats and half-humans.”
     
    Invasion of the Body Snatchers (10/12) Movie CLIP - Dog-Man Pod (1978) HD
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktEW65QQFgQ

    Matthew (Donald Sutherland) and Elizabeth (Brooke Adams) are nearly caught when Elizabeth screams at the sight of the dog-man hybrid.
     

    Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) - Movieclips playlist:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZbXA4lyCtqrSJ3S3KJsL6QdOkDkH0kku

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_the_Body_Snatchers_(1978_film)

    Invasion of the Body Snatchers is a 1978 American science-fiction horror film[2] directed by Philip Kaufman and starring Donald Sutherland, Brooke Adams, Veronica Cartwright, Jeff Goldblum, and Leonard Nimoy. Released on December 22, 1978, it is based on the 1955 novel The Body Snatchers by Jack Finney. The novel was previously adapted into the 1956 film of the same name. The plot involves a San Francisco health inspector and his colleague who over the course of a few days discover that humans are being replaced by alien duplicates; each is a perfect copy of the person replaced, but devoid of human emotion.

    [...]
    Plot
    [...]
    Matthew recognizes and unsuccesfully tries to wake Harry, a homeless busker lying asleep with his dog next to a mature pod.
    [...]
    Matthew and Elizabeth reunite with Nancy, who has learned to evade the Pod People through hiding her emotions. The tactic works until Elizabeth screams at the sight of a dog-human duplicate amalgam (produced by Matthew's kick to the pod next to Harry and his dog) and their cover is blown. They separate from Nancy in their escape and board a truck delivering plants to Pier 70, where Pod People are processing them.

    [...]
    Production
    [...]
    Director Philip Kaufman had been a fan of the 1956 film, which he likened to "great radio", although he had not read the novel until after he agreed to direct the film. "I thought, 'Well this doesn't have to be a remake as such. It can be a new envisioning that was a variation on a theme,' he said on the film's 40th anniversary. The first change he anticipated was filming in color; the second was changing the location to San Francisco. "Could it happen in the city I love the most? The city with the most advanced, progressive therapies, politics and so forth? What would happen in a place like that if the pods landed there and that element of 'poddiness' was spread?"[4]
    [...]
    All the special effects were created live for the camera. The scene at the beginning where the pods travel through space from their dead homeworld to San Francisco was one of the simplest. "I found some viscous material in an art store, I think we paid $12 for a big vat of it, and then [we dropped it] into solutions and reversed the film", Kaufman recalled. The dog with the banjo player's face included a mechanism whereby the creature appeared to lick itself.[4]
     

    Replies: @Dennis Dale, @SunBakedSuburb, @Mep

    That’s Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead in the role of the homeless dog-man.

    Hey, you know, this could be the best thing to happen to a homeless guy, becoming a dog. Now maybe he can get into a rescue shelter and be adopted by loving parents.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Dennis Dale


    That’s Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead in the role of the homeless dog-man.
     
    http://www.deaddisc.com/vi/Invasion.htm

    Jerry Garcia plays the banjo part that is heard during a scene where a beggar is playing a banjo in a park. It has been suggested that Jerry Garcia appears as a beggar in this scene but this is not the case.

    The DVD credits include under the cast section:

    • Beggar: Joe Bellan
     
    And under the production section:

    • Banjo: Jerry Garcia
     

     
    http://reelsf.com/reelsf/2018/2/16/invasion-of-the-body-snatchers-matthews-office

    Then... Elizabeth and Matthew are both employed by the city's health department. On her way to work she passes a street busker (Joe Bellan, banjo recorded by Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead) and his faithful boxer companion.
     
    http://movie-dude.com/1Actors%20Pages/Joe%20Bellan.htm

    Harry the Banjo Player
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji488p8k1ok
  54. @MEH 0910

    Before the attack occurred, Mr. Ramsey had been in San Francisco, he told the officers who brought him into custody, where, according to the police report, he’d seen “crazy things,” such as “half-dog and half-humans and half-cats and half-humans.”
     
    Invasion of the Body Snatchers (10/12) Movie CLIP - Dog-Man Pod (1978) HD
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktEW65QQFgQ

    Matthew (Donald Sutherland) and Elizabeth (Brooke Adams) are nearly caught when Elizabeth screams at the sight of the dog-man hybrid.
     

    Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) - Movieclips playlist:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZbXA4lyCtqrSJ3S3KJsL6QdOkDkH0kku

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_the_Body_Snatchers_(1978_film)

    Invasion of the Body Snatchers is a 1978 American science-fiction horror film[2] directed by Philip Kaufman and starring Donald Sutherland, Brooke Adams, Veronica Cartwright, Jeff Goldblum, and Leonard Nimoy. Released on December 22, 1978, it is based on the 1955 novel The Body Snatchers by Jack Finney. The novel was previously adapted into the 1956 film of the same name. The plot involves a San Francisco health inspector and his colleague who over the course of a few days discover that humans are being replaced by alien duplicates; each is a perfect copy of the person replaced, but devoid of human emotion.

    [...]
    Plot
    [...]
    Matthew recognizes and unsuccesfully tries to wake Harry, a homeless busker lying asleep with his dog next to a mature pod.
    [...]
    Matthew and Elizabeth reunite with Nancy, who has learned to evade the Pod People through hiding her emotions. The tactic works until Elizabeth screams at the sight of a dog-human duplicate amalgam (produced by Matthew's kick to the pod next to Harry and his dog) and their cover is blown. They separate from Nancy in their escape and board a truck delivering plants to Pier 70, where Pod People are processing them.

    [...]
    Production
    [...]
    Director Philip Kaufman had been a fan of the 1956 film, which he likened to "great radio", although he had not read the novel until after he agreed to direct the film. "I thought, 'Well this doesn't have to be a remake as such. It can be a new envisioning that was a variation on a theme,' he said on the film's 40th anniversary. The first change he anticipated was filming in color; the second was changing the location to San Francisco. "Could it happen in the city I love the most? The city with the most advanced, progressive therapies, politics and so forth? What would happen in a place like that if the pods landed there and that element of 'poddiness' was spread?"[4]
    [...]
    All the special effects were created live for the camera. The scene at the beginning where the pods travel through space from their dead homeworld to San Francisco was one of the simplest. "I found some viscous material in an art store, I think we paid $12 for a big vat of it, and then [we dropped it] into solutions and reversed the film", Kaufman recalled. The dog with the banjo player's face included a mechanism whereby the creature appeared to lick itself.[4]
     

    Replies: @Dennis Dale, @SunBakedSuburb, @Mep

    The 70s Body Snatcher movie is the best filmic version of the novel that has, so far, spawned four editions. The direction, script, and cast are all top notch. And I ‘m fond of 70s films shot in the City and the wider Bay Area. Very nostalgic.

    But the dog with the bum’s head scene. According to the manner in which the alien pods produce duplicate humans the dog/bum combo makes zero sense. Although this is a horror film (with SF elements), and the key to uneasiness is subverting everyday reality. Here in the urban areas of the Golden State, one is used to seeing bums with dogs. California demographers ought to assign them their own category. Living in this dystopian landscape, most of us are ready to shrug our shoulders if we do spot a bum-headed dog. Part of Gavin Newsom’s California.

    Gavin Newsom will be your President January 13, 2025.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @SunBakedSuburb


    The 70s Body Snatcher movie is the best filmic version of the novel that has, so far, spawned four editions.
     
    Very much agree. Personally I believe the 90s version is the most underrated filmed version. I may have to rewatch it since it's Halloween season.

    But the dog with the bum’s head scene. According to the manner in which the alien pods produce duplicate humans the dog/bum combo makes zero sense.
     
    My theory is that the pods quickly realized the hybrid creature was distressing to normal humans, thus making it an excellent tool for flushing out the remaining humans.

    It's unknowable if its creation was intentional by the pods or simply a replacement gone wrong.

    Replies: @Anon

  55. Individuals with schizophrenia are 4 to 7 times more likely to commit violent crimes, such as assault and homicide [4,5], and 4 to 6 times more likely to exhibit general aggressive behavior, such as verbal and physical threats [10,11], compared with the general population.

    Schizoaffectives are said to be the most dangerous of all. (That’s a disorder composed of a mixture of schizophrenia symptoms and bipolar symptoms.)

    Not only do they have the paranoid delusions of schizophrenics, they also have the manic episodes that give them the energy to wreak serious mayhem in response to them.

  56. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Blacks tend to suffer from schizophrenia more than other races and tend to be more violent.

    How's this supposed to work out in conjunction with our Great THC Legalization Experiment--people have thought this through, right?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    How’s this supposed to work out in conjunction with our Great THC Legalization Experiment–people have thought this through, right?

    The stupid ones haven’t, the evil ones have.

  57. @Art Deco
    @Steve Sailer

    There are north of two million people in this country who have had schizophreniform breakdowns. "Dissociative disorder" is rare as hen's teeth to the extent that it exists at all.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “‘Dissociative disorder’ is rare as hen’s teeth to the extent that it exists at all.”

    Now, Art. I respect your position of Knower of All Things. Dissociation Disorder is as American as The Wizard of Oz. The man behind the curtain has installed a system whereby we hapless saps aka schmos are unable to find connections, continuity between the various cause and effects that affect our lives. I dare say, Art, that intelligent (but not wise) chaps like you and Steve Silver (Shimmery affect caused him to change his last name; but Steve doesn’t know it because he suffers from DD) have completely bought into the system. You guys don’t even know you’re blind.

  58. @YetAnotherAnon
    Talking of racism and mental illness, this guy, Adam Posen, was a member of the Bank of England's Monetary Policy committee until very recently.

    It's good to know he cared so much about British workers !

    https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1578130142655905816

    a focus on domestic manufacturing is simply a “fetish for keeping white males with low education in the powerful positions they are in.
     

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Mr. Anon, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @AnotherDad, @Gabe Ruth

    Posen is, of course, a chosentite.

  59. What about pot and schizophrenia.

    Pot use is strongly encouraged and seems to bring on schizophrenia.

    Biden has just pardoned people for possession of pot.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @As


    Biden has just pardoned people for possession of pot.
     
    And the number of people in Federal prison solely for pot use rounds up to exactly zero.

    While no one is currently serving time in federal prison solely for the crime of simple marijuana possession, officials said
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/06/biden-marijuana-decriminalization/
    , @pirelli
    @As

    Do you have a good cite for the pot / schizo connection? My anecdotal observations strongly support a connection, but most studies I’ve seen have concluded that there’s not enough evidence of causation.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

  60. @New Dealer
    Schizophrenia is so sad. A kid is mostly normal and then starts hearing voices and gabbling nonsense. It manifests in the early 20s and in my freewheeling 20s I felt like a schizophrenic magnet. I read the RD Laing crap in a college course and liked the idea that they are not flying out of formation but in a different formation. Reality cruelly crushed that diagnosis. I came up with my own definition of crazy and why it's a drag: a person who, no matter how much you sympathetically talk and listen, won't aim for a way to get along (crazy seems to have become dominant in MSM...).

    I remember my first black schizophrenic in college. I'd never met him, but he knocked on my dorm room door and wanted to tell me he could read my mind and that I was a racist. I listened to him for three minutes and then shut the door. As I've become more astute at recognizing schizophrenics I've reduced my avoidance delay from three minutes to three seconds.

    Replies: @Prester John, @TelfoedJohn, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Bill Jones

    I remember my first black schizophrenic in college. I’d never met him, but he knocked on my dorm room door and wanted to tell me he could read my mind and that I was a racist.

    That guy wasn’t schizophrenic, he was canvassing for the Congressional Black Caucus.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @New Dealer
    @Almost Missouri

    LOL, Almost Missouri.' We hate you and that's why you should vote for us.

    You know those people walking down the street talking to themselves? I once used that as a quick schizophrenic tell.

    Long ago there was a joke, I don't know who started it. Those folks aren't talking to themselves. They're actually talking to another apparently crazy person in another city. Ha ha.

    Then cellphones came along and during the first few years of adjustment I was nervously dodging sane people who weren't talking to themselves but were actually talking through their tiny dangling microphone to someone in another city.

    The years have passed, and it now seems that there is something about cellphones that drives once sane people crazy.

    Coincidence?

  61. My hunch is that uniquely human cognitive abilities are neotenous (as is, for example, lactose tolerance), and schizophrenia is an atavism that partially disables them upon maturity. Some atavisms are bound to be more common in certain populations.

  62. @Mike Tre
    Assigning this or that mental illness to bevies merely provides an excuse for what really is their proclivity for random, violent behavior.

    Like a caged tiger that after years of docility one day mauls it’s keeper who is feeding it.

    Replies: @Sick n' Tired, @anonymouseperson

    I concur. I would work with blacks and seemingly get along with them. Then one day just out of the blue, like your tiger analogy, they would just break out in a fit of hysterical anger. I believe blacks themselves have a saying for this. They call it “going off” on someone.

  63. Black burglar shot in Chinatown!

    Prosecutors say a concealed carry holder shot a burglar who charged at him when he returned to his home in Chinatown on Monday evening. Now, the burglar is hospitalized and charged with a felony.

    Chicago police responded to the victim’s home in the 300 block of West 24th Place around 6:30 p.m. and found Tywone Underwood, 30, with a gunshot wound to his abdomen.

    https://cwbchicago.com/2022/10/concealed-carry-holder-shoots-burglar-in-chinatown.html

  64. I think you got it dead right. The New Wave of violence was supposed to be entirely Trump’s doing. How’s a right-thinking shit-lib supposed to know that the golem they conjured would be wearing black-face?

  65. the officers who interrogated him learned, for which he’d been prescribed medication — medication he said he had stopped taking.

    Something like 98% of schizophrenics desist taking their anti-psychotic meds. The medical establishment know this. So when when they hand a schizo a prescription and send him back on the street, they are really just washing their hands of the inevitable bad outcomes.

    Some people may fear that having such discussions will reinforce negative stereotypes, in particular by playing into the widespread perception that the mentally ill are violent and dangerous.

    When the mentally ill are schizophrenic, that perception is correct.

    Since the start of the pandemic, a wave of violence against Asian Americans has swept across the country

    Everybody says that, but is it really true? We have the CDC’s record of homicide victimizations, which were the exact same for Asians in 2020 as in 2019, before going up 7 percent in 2021.

    While they went up much more for every other group.

    One of the many double games that the big media play is to cite (highly malleable) “hate crime” numbers, which are composed mostly of reports that someone said or wrote something “racist”, and then immediately switch over to discussing actual crimes such as murder, implying that e.g. “anti-Asian” murders are skyrocketing. They don’t quite say that, so it’s not quite a lie, but it is certainly the implication.

    Media do the same double game with gun crime: discuss rising (black handgun) crime statistics without mentioning blacks or handguns, then switch immediately to a specific white long-gun case with the implication that this is what they were talking about all along. I routinely encounter even intelligent, educated people who are totally bamboozled by this crude trick. I guess that’s why they keep using it in discussions of e.g. mental health, trannies, veteran deaths, the natural environment, etc., etc., on and on…

  66. @As
    What about pot and schizophrenia.

    Pot use is strongly encouraged and seems to bring on schizophrenia.

    Biden has just pardoned people for possession of pot.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @pirelli

    Biden has just pardoned people for possession of pot.

    And the number of people in Federal prison solely for pot use rounds up to exactly zero.

    While no one is currently serving time in federal prison solely for the crime of simple marijuana possession, officials said

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/06/biden-marijuana-decriminalization/

  67. anon[533] • Disclaimer says:

    OFF TOPIC — more white supremacy in Scando-Nordic Minnesota …

    Feds: Suspected militia adherent had machine gun, grenade launcher in his Anoka home

    The charges described the man as a Three Percenters sympathizer who discussed a desire to blow up liberals and members of the Black Lives Matter movement

    A Twin Cities man described by prosecutors as an anti-government militia sympathizer with a desire to kill Black activists and liberals was arrested and charged with possessing a machine gun, a grenade launcher and illicit drugs in his home.

    [MORE]

    Darrian M. Nguyen, 50, of Anoka, was charged this week in U.S. District Court with possession of a machine gun and an unregistered firearm, and possession with intent to distribute methamphetamine.

    Nguyen remains in federal custody without bail in the Sherburne County jail ahead of a court appearance on Friday. A message was left Thursday with his attorney seeking a response to the allegations.
    Prosecutors say in their criminal complaint that a paid confidential source, who has known Nguyen for several years, described him as “harboring anti-government Three Percenter ideology and desiring to be part of [that] militia group.”

    The source added, according to the complaint, that Nguyen had a Three Percenters flag in his garage and discussed a desire to kill liberals by blowing them up or doing the same to members of the Black Lives Matter movement.

  68. @International Jew
    I wonder how much of this "mental illness" is real, and how much just criminal suspects play acting and sympathetic psychiatrists applying a label to (1) justify their employment and (2) convince themselves that black criminals are sick rather than simply bad people.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Bardon Kaldian, @Angharad, @Pop Warner

    It’s the second reason.

  69. @International Jew
    I wonder how much of this "mental illness" is real, and how much just criminal suspects play acting and sympathetic psychiatrists applying a label to (1) justify their employment and (2) convince themselves that black criminals are sick rather than simply bad people.

    Replies: @dearieme, @Bardon Kaldian, @Angharad, @Pop Warner

    Watching clips of the Parkland shooter’s interrogation, I got the impression that the “voices” or “demons” speaking to him was all bullshit and he was making it up as he went.

  70. In reality, people who experience mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violence than to carry it out

    That statement, and the following stat you cite, could both be true. The stat you cite shows that they’re far more likely than the average person to be violent, but they could still be more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators. E.g., you could have an extremely violent subset of the mentally ill who victimize a large number of other people, disproportionately other mentally ill people. I think that’s probably the case.

    Regardless, the “more likely to be victims” stat is intended to be misleading by making casual readers think it’s saying that mentally ill people are no more likely than other people to be violent, so you’re right to point out the following stat.

  71. @As
    What about pot and schizophrenia.

    Pot use is strongly encouraged and seems to bring on schizophrenia.

    Biden has just pardoned people for possession of pot.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @pirelli

    Do you have a good cite for the pot / schizo connection? My anecdotal observations strongly support a connection, but most studies I’ve seen have concluded that there’s not enough evidence of causation.

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    @pirelli


    My anecdotal observations strongly support a connection, but most studies I’ve seen have concluded that there’s not enough evidence of causation.
     
    Correlation is not causation. It's also possible that people suffering from mental problems are more likely to self medicate. Intuiting that there's a connection does not in any way establish a causal arrow.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @pirelli

  72. @New Dealer
    Schizophrenia is so sad. A kid is mostly normal and then starts hearing voices and gabbling nonsense. It manifests in the early 20s and in my freewheeling 20s I felt like a schizophrenic magnet. I read the RD Laing crap in a college course and liked the idea that they are not flying out of formation but in a different formation. Reality cruelly crushed that diagnosis. I came up with my own definition of crazy and why it's a drag: a person who, no matter how much you sympathetically talk and listen, won't aim for a way to get along (crazy seems to have become dominant in MSM...).

    I remember my first black schizophrenic in college. I'd never met him, but he knocked on my dorm room door and wanted to tell me he could read my mind and that I was a racist. I listened to him for three minutes and then shut the door. As I've become more astute at recognizing schizophrenics I've reduced my avoidance delay from three minutes to three seconds.

    Replies: @Prester John, @TelfoedJohn, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Bill Jones

    “He could read my mind and that I was a racist”.

    Hell, he didn’t need to be a mind reader about that. It is just what 95% of blacks believe.

  73. Covid and the vaxxine, bioweapons used in the bioterror by deception campaign for a one world government lording over a damaged slave population. Clever how they framed the Chinese.

  74. @MEH 0910

    Before the attack occurred, Mr. Ramsey had been in San Francisco, he told the officers who brought him into custody, where, according to the police report, he’d seen “crazy things,” such as “half-dog and half-humans and half-cats and half-humans.”
     
    Invasion of the Body Snatchers (10/12) Movie CLIP - Dog-Man Pod (1978) HD
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktEW65QQFgQ

    Matthew (Donald Sutherland) and Elizabeth (Brooke Adams) are nearly caught when Elizabeth screams at the sight of the dog-man hybrid.
     

    Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978) - Movieclips playlist:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZbXA4lyCtqrSJ3S3KJsL6QdOkDkH0kku

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_the_Body_Snatchers_(1978_film)

    Invasion of the Body Snatchers is a 1978 American science-fiction horror film[2] directed by Philip Kaufman and starring Donald Sutherland, Brooke Adams, Veronica Cartwright, Jeff Goldblum, and Leonard Nimoy. Released on December 22, 1978, it is based on the 1955 novel The Body Snatchers by Jack Finney. The novel was previously adapted into the 1956 film of the same name. The plot involves a San Francisco health inspector and his colleague who over the course of a few days discover that humans are being replaced by alien duplicates; each is a perfect copy of the person replaced, but devoid of human emotion.

    [...]
    Plot
    [...]
    Matthew recognizes and unsuccesfully tries to wake Harry, a homeless busker lying asleep with his dog next to a mature pod.
    [...]
    Matthew and Elizabeth reunite with Nancy, who has learned to evade the Pod People through hiding her emotions. The tactic works until Elizabeth screams at the sight of a dog-human duplicate amalgam (produced by Matthew's kick to the pod next to Harry and his dog) and their cover is blown. They separate from Nancy in their escape and board a truck delivering plants to Pier 70, where Pod People are processing them.

    [...]
    Production
    [...]
    Director Philip Kaufman had been a fan of the 1956 film, which he likened to "great radio", although he had not read the novel until after he agreed to direct the film. "I thought, 'Well this doesn't have to be a remake as such. It can be a new envisioning that was a variation on a theme,' he said on the film's 40th anniversary. The first change he anticipated was filming in color; the second was changing the location to San Francisco. "Could it happen in the city I love the most? The city with the most advanced, progressive therapies, politics and so forth? What would happen in a place like that if the pods landed there and that element of 'poddiness' was spread?"[4]
    [...]
    All the special effects were created live for the camera. The scene at the beginning where the pods travel through space from their dead homeworld to San Francisco was one of the simplest. "I found some viscous material in an art store, I think we paid $12 for a big vat of it, and then [we dropped it] into solutions and reversed the film", Kaufman recalled. The dog with the banjo player's face included a mechanism whereby the creature appeared to lick itself.[4]
     

    Replies: @Dennis Dale, @SunBakedSuburb, @Mep

    https://pathwhisperer.info/2022/02/11/invasion-of-the-body-snatchers-dont-close-your-eyes-dont-fall-asleep/

    You fight them at the door or nowhere else. Don’t take the jab or more booster jabs. A deliberate poison. Tbey’d have to kill me first.

  75. @Prester John
    @New Dealer

    It is sad. My own mother suffered from acute paranoia which required hospitalization on two occasions. It emerged suddenly and no one knew why. Interestingly she was menopausal which suggests a possible connection. As Bill Buckley once said "we don't know much more about the human mind than Plato did two thousand years ago."

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    “we don’t know much more about the human mind than Plato did two thousand years ago.”

    A relative with a PhD and MD told me the same thing.

    BTW, looks like it’s back to the drawing board for depression.

    https://theconversation.com/depression-is-probably-not-caused-by-a-chemical-imbalance-in-the-brain-new-study-186672

  76. @SunBakedSuburb
    @MEH 0910

    The 70s Body Snatcher movie is the best filmic version of the novel that has, so far, spawned four editions. The direction, script, and cast are all top notch. And I 'm fond of 70s films shot in the City and the wider Bay Area. Very nostalgic.

    But the dog with the bum's head scene. According to the manner in which the alien pods produce duplicate humans the dog/bum combo makes zero sense. Although this is a horror film (with SF elements), and the key to uneasiness is subverting everyday reality. Here in the urban areas of the Golden State, one is used to seeing bums with dogs. California demographers ought to assign them their own category. Living in this dystopian landscape, most of us are ready to shrug our shoulders if we do spot a bum-headed dog. Part of Gavin Newsom's California.

    Gavin Newsom will be your President January 13, 2025.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    The 70s Body Snatcher movie is the best filmic version of the novel that has, so far, spawned four editions.

    Very much agree. Personally I believe the 90s version is the most underrated filmed version. I may have to rewatch it since it’s Halloween season.

    But the dog with the bum’s head scene. According to the manner in which the alien pods produce duplicate humans the dog/bum combo makes zero sense.

    My theory is that the pods quickly realized the hybrid creature was distressing to normal humans, thus making it an excellent tool for flushing out the remaining humans.

    It’s unknowable if its creation was intentional by the pods or simply a replacement gone wrong.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    My theory is that the pods quickly realized the hybrid creature was distressing to normal humans, thus making it an excellent tool for flushing out the remaining humans.

     

    A lot like the movie Bros.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  77. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Steve Sailer

    A child's friend, a very bright boy, developed schizophrenia around 18-19 - my child is convinced it was due to smoking weed from about 14 onwards - his well off, ultra-liberal media-people parents let him indulge at home. Of course today's stuff is much more potent than it was in our youth.

    At 16 he was one of the "cool kids". At 25 and afaik still with troubles, not so much.

    I must be getting out more, because twice recently I've passed in the street youths who absolutely reeked of "skunk".

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus

    my child is convinced it was due to smoking weed from about 14 onwards

    18 or 19 is the typical age at which youth have their first schizophrenic break – they do this whether or not they smoke weed. Millions of people smoke weed without becoming schizophrenic. It’s possible that smoking dope aggravates or speeds up schizophrenic tendencies but probably this fellow was on the road to schizophrenia anyway – it has a strong genetic component and it can be heartbreaking because it turns a heretofore promising youth into a hopeless mess.

    Speaking of smoking though, an extremely high % of schizophrenics (something like 70 to 80%) are cigarette smokers. It’s possible that nicotine is a form of self-medication for them.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8687814/

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Jack D

    "Millions of people smoke weed without becoming schizophrenic."

    But two things have changed recently - kids are smoking younger - none of us would have had a clue where to 'score' at 14, snaffling from a parents booze cabinet was our limit, and the THC content is so much higher than it was.

    Adolescent brain development is done and dusted by 20 unless in very late developers, but at 14 some kids will only be starting.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S014976341100073X


    evidence from both epidemiological and animal studies indicates that cannabis use during adolescence carries particular risk. Further studies are warranted given the increase in the concentration of the main active ingredient (Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol) in street preparations of cannabis and a decreasing age of first-time exposure to cannabis
     
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7442038/

    From the current data, we can conclude that the tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) component of cannabis can be the main culprit causing psychosis and schizophrenia in the at-risk population.

     

    I know a lot of middle-class types who smoked for years without mental issues, but none started at 14. You had to be in a college town. Now it's everywhere, including my rural location.
    , @Pixo
    @Jack D

    Marijuana in healthy people almost always causes paranoia, which is a classic symptom of schizophrenia. Of course people still enjoy it because the paranoia can manifest itself in a very mild way.

    I agree it is genetic, but it also is a spectrum and strong marijuana use in adolescence will lead people to become schizophrenic who might otherwise have sub-clinical eccentric behavior but still be productive members of society.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  78. @Hypnotoad666
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The Neanderthal gene connection is interesting. R. Lynn has proposed that different rates of psychopathy may be due to the R-K continuum of evolutionary strategy described by Rushton. It's a shame Steve can't talk about genetic causation overtly, but I guess that's for the comments section.


    This paper proposes that there are racial and ethnic differences in psychopathic personality conceptualised as a continuously distributed trait, such that high values of the trait are present in blacks and Native Americans, intermediate values in Hispanics, lower values in whites and the lowest values in East Asians. Part one of the paper sets out the evidence for this thesis. Part two applies the thesis to the unresolved problem in The Bell Curve that racial and ethnic differences in a number of social phenomena such as crime, welfare dependency, rates of marriage, etc. cannot be fully explained by differences in intelligence and proposes that some of the residual disparities are attributable to differences in psychopathic personality. Part three of the paper integrates the theory with Rushton’s r-K theory of race differences.
     
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886901000290

    Replies: @Anon

    There is no “Neanderthal gene connection”, you fucking oaf. The article said schizophrenia emerged AFTER the split from Neanderthals. It’s an African, non-Neanderthal genetic link.

  79. people who experience mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violence than to carry it out

    This is simple misdirection. The relevant question isn’t whether the mentally ill are more likely to be victimizers than victims. The question is whether the mentally ill are more likely to be victimizers than the mentally sound. (I suspect that they are.) Blacks are simultaneously more likely to be the victims of crime than perpetrators of it and more likely to be the perpetrators than are whites.

  80. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I do remember Tucker Carlson mentioning a medical paper claiming that moderate to heavy cannabis use by adolescents may be a risk factor for the development of schizophrenia in their late teens or early twenties. Fox News featured a story saying that mental health issues and associated homelessness have increased in Colorado since cannabis legalization there.

    Yo: Who be dat race dat be smokin' de mos' herb in dem High School years?

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn, @Hypnotoad666, @YetAnotherAnon

    I do remember Tucker Carlson mentioning a medical paper claiming that moderate to heavy cannabis use by adolescents may be a risk factor for the development of schizophrenia in their late teens or early twenties.

    Alex Berenson wrote a pretty well researched book on the subject (Tell Your Children) and makes a strong case that, while pot may be relatively harmless for most people, it can trigger schizophrenia in some percentage of the population who have a genetic propensity to begin with.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
    @Hypnotoad666

    Can confirm marijuana flipping a teenager into pestiferous schizophrenia from personal testimony of her father. Back then I thought he was just an old fogey, but it turns out to be true for some subset of the population.

  81. @Jack D
    @YetAnotherAnon


    my child is convinced it was due to smoking weed from about 14 onwards
     
    18 or 19 is the typical age at which youth have their first schizophrenic break - they do this whether or not they smoke weed. Millions of people smoke weed without becoming schizophrenic. It's possible that smoking dope aggravates or speeds up schizophrenic tendencies but probably this fellow was on the road to schizophrenia anyway - it has a strong genetic component and it can be heartbreaking because it turns a heretofore promising youth into a hopeless mess.

    Speaking of smoking though, an extremely high % of schizophrenics (something like 70 to 80%) are cigarette smokers. It's possible that nicotine is a form of self-medication for them.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8687814/

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Pixo

    “Millions of people smoke weed without becoming schizophrenic.”

    But two things have changed recently – kids are smoking younger – none of us would have had a clue where to ‘score’ at 14, snaffling from a parents booze cabinet was our limit, and the THC content is so much higher than it was.

    Adolescent brain development is done and dusted by 20 unless in very late developers, but at 14 some kids will only be starting.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S014976341100073X

    evidence from both epidemiological and animal studies indicates that cannabis use during adolescence carries particular risk. Further studies are warranted given the increase in the concentration of the main active ingredient (Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol) in street preparations of cannabis and a decreasing age of first-time exposure to cannabis

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7442038/

    From the current data, we can conclude that the tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) component of cannabis can be the main culprit causing psychosis and schizophrenia in the at-risk population.

    I know a lot of middle-class types who smoked for years without mental issues, but none started at 14. You had to be in a college town. Now it’s everywhere, including my rural location.

  82. @Mr. Anon

    Before the attack occurred, Mr. Ramsey had been in San Francisco, he told the officers who brought him into custody, where, according to the police report, he’d seen “crazy things,” such as “half-dog and half-humans and half-cats and half-humans.” Mr. Ramsey, who was homeless, had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia,.................
     
    Given that he lives in San Francisco, he undoubtedly has seen a lot of crazy things. How does one diagnose a person in Frisco with a mental disease? The whole city has a mental disease.

    … Given this pattern, talking openly about the role that mental illness may play in racially motivated violence seems overdue and necessary.
     
    Ah, now we get down to the point of the article. What the writer is really saying is that anybody who has a non officially-sanctioned view on race is really mentally ill and needs treatment. Involuntary treatment of course. And when he says "violence" he really also means things that somebody might say because now they claim that speech can be an act of violence too.

    But there are reasons conversations on this subject are also dangerous and fraught.
     
    Fraught? Fraught with what? And, anyway, this J-school hack needs to get with the times. We no longer have "conversations on" subjects; we have "conversations around" subjects.

    Replies: @fish

    Stupid buttons…..agree……agree dammit!

  83. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I do remember Tucker Carlson mentioning a medical paper claiming that moderate to heavy cannabis use by adolescents may be a risk factor for the development of schizophrenia in their late teens or early twenties. Fox News featured a story saying that mental health issues and associated homelessness have increased in Colorado since cannabis legalization there.

    Yo: Who be dat race dat be smokin' de mos' herb in dem High School years?

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn, @Hypnotoad666, @YetAnotherAnon

    ” Tucker Carlson mentioning a medical paper claiming that moderate to heavy cannabis use by adolescents may be a risk factor for the development of schizophrenia”

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-021-00977-9

    “Cannabis use during adolescence is associated with an increased risk of developing psychosis…

    lots of stuff about grey matter …

    these findings are in line with previous investigations in healthy cannabis users, and suggest that early initiation of cannabis perturbs the developmental trajectory of certain structural brain networks in a manner imparting risk for psychosis later in life.”

  84. @New Dealer
    Schizophrenia is so sad. A kid is mostly normal and then starts hearing voices and gabbling nonsense. It manifests in the early 20s and in my freewheeling 20s I felt like a schizophrenic magnet. I read the RD Laing crap in a college course and liked the idea that they are not flying out of formation but in a different formation. Reality cruelly crushed that diagnosis. I came up with my own definition of crazy and why it's a drag: a person who, no matter how much you sympathetically talk and listen, won't aim for a way to get along (crazy seems to have become dominant in MSM...).

    I remember my first black schizophrenic in college. I'd never met him, but he knocked on my dorm room door and wanted to tell me he could read my mind and that I was a racist. I listened to him for three minutes and then shut the door. As I've become more astute at recognizing schizophrenics I've reduced my avoidance delay from three minutes to three seconds.

    Replies: @Prester John, @TelfoedJohn, @Almost Missouri, @anonymouseperson, @Bill Jones

    he could read my mind and that I was a racist.

    Damn. What were the odds of getting the one smart one?

  85. Anon[172] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    @International Jew

    They're not bad people.

    They're just what they are (an AmRen classic):

    https://www.amren.com/archives/back-issues/february-2009/#cover

    Morality and Abstract Thinking

    How Africans may differ from Westerners

    ....................................
    Gruesome cruelty

    Another aspect of African behavior that liberals do their best to ignore but that nevertheless requires an explanation is gratuitous cruelty. A reviewer of Driving South, a 1993 book by David Robbins, writes:


    A Cape social worker sees elements that revel in violence . . . It’s like a cult which has embraced a lot of people who otherwise appear normal. . . . At the slightest provocation their blood-lust is aroused. And then they want to see death, and they jeer and mock at the suffering involved, especially the suffering of a slow and agonizing death. (Citizen [Johannesburg], July 12, 1993, p.6.)
     
    There is something so unspeakably vile about this, something so beyond depravity, that the human brain recoils. This is not merely the absence of human empathy, but the positive enjoyment of human suffering, all the more so when it is “slow and agonizing.” Can you imagine jeering at and mocking someone in such horrible agony?

    During the apartheid era, black activists used to kill traitors and enemies by “necklacing” them. An old tire was put around the victim’s neck, filled with gasoline, and — but it is best to let an eye-witness describe what happened next:

    The petrol-filled tyre is jammed on your shoulders and a lighter is placed within reach . . . . Your fingers are broken, needles are pushed up your nose and you are tortured until you put the lighter to the petrol yourself. (Citizen; “SA’s New Nazis,” August 10, 1993, p.18.)
     
    The author of an article in the Chicago Tribune, describing the equally gruesome way the Hutu killed Tutsi in the Burundi massacres, marveled at “the ecstasy of killing, the lust for blood; this is the most horrible thought. It’s beyond my reach.” (“Hutu Killers Danced In Blood Of Victims, Videotapes Show,” Chicago Tribune, September 14, 1995, p.8.) The lack of any moral sense is further evidenced by their having videotaped their crimes, “apparently want[ing] to record . . . [them] for posterity.” Unlike Nazi war criminals, who hid their deeds, these people apparently took pride in their work.

    In 1993, Amy Biehl, a 26-year-old American on a Fulbright scholarship, was living in South Africa, where she spent most of her time in black townships helping blacks. One day when she was driving three African friends home, young blacks stopped the car, dragged her out, and killed her because she was white. A retired senior South African judge, Rex van Schalkwyk, in his 1998 book One Miracle is Not Enough, quotes from a newspaper report on the trial of her killers: “Supporters of the three men accused of murdering [her] . . . burst out laughing in the public gallery of the Supreme Court today when a witness told how the battered woman groaned in pain.” This behavior, Van Schalkwyk wrote, “is impossible to explain in terms accessible to rational minds.” (pp. 188-89.)

    These incidents and the responses they evoke — “the human brain recoils,” “beyond my reach,” “impossible to explain to rational minds” — represent a pattern of behavior and thinking that cannot be wished away, and offer additional support for my claim that Africans are deficient in moral consciousness.

    Replies: @Anon, @Polistra

    The question for me isn’t whether blacks the world over are savages – of course they are. Do we really think at most a century of half-assed attempts to civilize them was going to be all it took? The question is how long will to take to civilize them.

    They’ve been attempting to civilize Mexican Indians – by all measures a smarter, more accomplished and more civilized group than blacks – for 500 years but still haven’t completely succeeded. 500 years is about as long as it took to civilize the Germanic tribes. How long will it take for blacks? 1,000 years?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anon

    I don't think ever.

    It will take genetic engineering.

    , @Lockean Proviso
    @Anon

    Since the 1960s, our leaders have been doing many things to uncivilize blacks. Has ghetto culture accelerated genetic divergence? It is a highly hypergamous culture that widely condones the most aggressive and criminally successful having children with many different women. Bourgeois traits such as thrift, restraint, work ethic, and productive intelligence are detriments to respect and social status in the ghetto (and now that mindset is being inculcated into wider society by elites). Genetic ramifications in a novel selective context emerge within a relatively few number of generations, and of course ghetto generations are shorter than bourgeois generations.

    It would be insightful research for an investigator to study prevalence of various genes for such things as MAO inhibitors, aggression, and intelligence over time in working-class and overall black populations. It may well be getting worse under the selection pressures of permissive, culturally anti-bourgeois welfare-based dysgenic society. Of course such a researcher would be cancelled with extreme prejudice, but maybe as a last hurrah it would be a nice coda to a career. Or maybe the Beijing Genomics Institute has already been gathering the data and knows the answer.

  86. The simple fact is: populations that have been separated from each other by geography (i..e. oceans, mountain ranges, deserts, etc.) for tens of thousands of years have been under different evolutionary pressures, and as a result have evolved into groups (races, sub-species, whatever you want to call it) that have very different norms for all kinds of physical, intellectual, and emotional traits.

    As a result, a behavior that may be considered far from the mean for one “group” may be close to the mean for another “group”. It makes no more sense to have a single standard for behavior across all of humanity than it is to have a single standard distribution for height, skin color, or 100 meter sprint times.

    I’m with AnotherDad on this point… separation is the only way to make this problem tractable. People are doing it anyway; most of them just don’t want to admit it.

  87. Now let’s blame craziness on alcohol!

    Isn’t “crazy drunk” a well known trope?

    People want some easy to blame “cause” for craziness (however you term it.)

    What is first needed is a return to the old fashioned notion that society at large doesn’t need or want to tolerate out of bounds behavior.

    Do the Chinese let obvious nuts wander around endangering others? Korea? Japan?

    If you require societal intervention to live peacefully on your own merits and productivity, then you are not an independent agent. You become a “ward of the State.”

    So occupying “public” spaces and lands, mooching off welfare because you are too lazy, high or crazy to work, you are in fact a “ward” without independent agency.

    As such you can and should be removed from public spaces if/when you act out or exhibit irresponsible behavior. In Cuba they call such persons (and others, like mere dissidents) “social parasites.” Yes, indeed.

    Now some can’t help that behavior due to various X causes. But so what? They still need to be under community (i.e. charity or government) supervision. Be required to bathe, remain peaceful and contribute to their own upkeep.

    Why is this “cruel”? It isn’t. Many retarded/handicapped people have to live in sheltered environments and most do productive work. It’s good therapy.

    Those who are merely malingering or lazy can choose to have choices dictated to them or leave. If they show responsible behavior. Those that can’t or won’t should stay out of public society.

    We don’t let (or like) cats and dogs running loose. Why treat humans who can’t or won’t behave as responsible humans to be rounded up and set aside to learn agency and responsibility? If they can’t/won’t they can stay locked up. “Tough Love.”

    If Ole Uncle Roger can stay on his meds and pay for his SRO hotel room, fine. Otherwise, off he goes to the County Wellness Center (or whatever) to learn responsibility.

    It is a tragic scenario. But pretending these folks, who act out, are “normal” is equally tragic.

    The ones who can be helped will improve. The rest will enjoy a safe but limited lifestyle.

    What is wrong with this? If civilization isn’t a chosen path, it can be forced upon you until it is.

  88. @bomag
    @Dave Pinsen

    You're being too generous. Plenty of Black crime is motivated by racial hatred, but is not called out for reasons.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Like Steve said, they go together, but ultimately I think it’s mostly sadism against vulnerable victims. Crazy black men rarely seem so crazy as to attack more formidable opponents. They might mutter anti-white or anti-Asian comments in the process, but if there no other races around, they’d probably attack an elderly black woman.

    In fact, an elderly black man in Philadelphia was recently beaten to death by some black tweens. They probably weren’t schizophrenics, just sadists.

    • Replies: @Technite78
    @Dave Pinsen

    Yes, this.

    They're not insane, or crazy... they're just violent people with an average IQ of 85. Which is just enough intelligence to realize that attacking someone who is unlikely to put up meaningful resistance is preferable to an even contest.

    , @Dennis Dale
    @Dave Pinsen

    Steve has talked here about the overlap between very low IQ Blacks! and whites with developmental problems ("funny looking kids") in special education classes.

    I think there's a similar overlap between simply very dumb, very violent Blacks! and what we used to call the "criminally insane" among Blacks!

    I wouldn't know where one ends and the other begins. But our vague default view is that the really dumb have the same moral culpability as "normal" people but the really crazy don't.

    There is something about Black! violence against the weak though. I don't think it's cowardice. They are plenty bold.
    The Nation of Islam's Zebra Murderers were awarded higher points for killing children and women--to test their capacity for brutality.

  89. @Dave Pinsen
    @bomag

    Like Steve said, they go together, but ultimately I think it’s mostly sadism against vulnerable victims. Crazy black men rarely seem so crazy as to attack more formidable opponents. They might mutter anti-white or anti-Asian comments in the process, but if there no other races around, they’d probably attack an elderly black woman.

    In fact, an elderly black man in Philadelphia was recently beaten to death by some black tweens. They probably weren’t schizophrenics, just sadists.

    Replies: @Technite78, @Dennis Dale

    Yes, this.

    They’re not insane, or crazy… they’re just violent people with an average IQ of 85. Which is just enough intelligence to realize that attacking someone who is unlikely to put up meaningful resistance is preferable to an even contest.

  90. @Anon
    Most black mental illness is caused by a history of recreational drug use that is brain damaging.

    Black life on welfare is not stressful. It's very relaxing to live off someone else's money.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    There are currently about 2 million people collecting TANF, of whom about 800,000 are black. That amounts to 2% of the black population.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Art Deco

    TANF isn’t the only form of welfare.

  91. @Almost Missouri
    @New Dealer


    I remember my first black schizophrenic in college. I’d never met him, but he knocked on my dorm room door and wanted to tell me he could read my mind and that I was a racist.
     
    That guy wasn't schizophrenic, he was canvassing for the Congressional Black Caucus.

    Replies: @New Dealer

    LOL, Almost Missouri.’ We hate you and that’s why you should vote for us.

    You know those people walking down the street talking to themselves? I once used that as a quick schizophrenic tell.

    Long ago there was a joke, I don’t know who started it. Those folks aren’t talking to themselves. They’re actually talking to another apparently crazy person in another city. Ha ha.

    Then cellphones came along and during the first few years of adjustment I was nervously dodging sane people who weren’t talking to themselves but were actually talking through their tiny dangling microphone to someone in another city.

    The years have passed, and it now seems that there is something about cellphones that drives once sane people crazy.

    Coincidence?

  92. @Dave Pinsen
    @bomag

    Like Steve said, they go together, but ultimately I think it’s mostly sadism against vulnerable victims. Crazy black men rarely seem so crazy as to attack more formidable opponents. They might mutter anti-white or anti-Asian comments in the process, but if there no other races around, they’d probably attack an elderly black woman.

    In fact, an elderly black man in Philadelphia was recently beaten to death by some black tweens. They probably weren’t schizophrenics, just sadists.

    Replies: @Technite78, @Dennis Dale

    Steve has talked here about the overlap between very low IQ Blacks! and whites with developmental problems (“funny looking kids”) in special education classes.

    I think there’s a similar overlap between simply very dumb, very violent Blacks! and what we used to call the “criminally insane” among Blacks!

    I wouldn’t know where one ends and the other begins. But our vague default view is that the really dumb have the same moral culpability as “normal” people but the really crazy don’t.

    There is something about Black! violence against the weak though. I don’t think it’s cowardice. They are plenty bold.
    The Nation of Islam’s Zebra Murderers were awarded higher points for killing children and women–to test their capacity for brutality.

  93. @TWS
    @Steve Sailer

    They aren't helped, but then what does help other than forcing them to take their meds?

    Replies: @Rob

    No, we are.

    It’s not just muggles who think schizophrenia means two personalities. Future (and new) schizophrenics think that too. I would have gotten treatment years earlier had I known that introvertive anhedonia is the start. That and delusions were the first symptoms and I had them for more than a decade.

    Caused lots of problems.

    • Thanks: Elli
    • Replies: @TWS
    @Rob

    As a police officer I dealt with too many mentally ill to count. For the dangerous, and despite activists best efforts to warp perception to the contrary, forced medication/institutionalization is best. Best for society and best for them. There's no substitute for that as we have found to everyone's misfortune.

  94. @Tucker
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "Why Aren’t We Talking About Schizophrenia in Black People?"

    A recent example of this can be seen in that recent video taken in a subway - I do not remember the city; possibly New York, but I am not certain - where some black guy took off all of his clothes and was rolling and prancing around buck naked, with his Oscar Mayer weiner flopping around, as several security guards attempted to restrain him.

    Meanwhile, you could see dozens of White people walking by and going about their business as if they noticed nothing particularly unusual happening. So, the issue that is most concerning to me is how millions of allegedly normal White Americans have gotten so used to black schizophrenic public chimp outs that they aren't even disturbed by them anymore.

    Clearly, Whites need to wake up and understand that we need complete and total geographic permanent separation from blacks. We cannot continue to allow blacks to drag the civilization that Whites created down to the level of Zimbabwe.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Clearly, Whites need to wake up and understand that we need complete and total geographic permanent separation from blacks. We cannot continue to allow blacks to drag the civilization that Whites created down to the level of Zimbabwe.

    Welp, this “White” came to that conclusion about 45 years ago. It’s been frustrating, to say the least.

    Almost every negro is pretty much “mentally ill”, and since almost all are drugged out every day of their lives after the age of 12 or so (at the outside–many start at 8 or 9), it’s a big problem.

    Even IKAGOs (really, there’s no such thing) Look at the Herschel Walker debacle.

    Never put a single egg, much less all your eggs, in a negro basket.

    Of course, the current poster boy for Klueless Kucks is Kanye West. That will end in a trainwreck. Will anybody ever learn?

    • Agree: West reanimator
    • Replies: @Tucker
    @AceDeuce

    You're right about Herschel Walker. I used to be a big fan of the Dallas Cowboys during the time Walker played for them. And, on the surface anyway, Walker seemed to have a decent public image as compared to most of the other black so-called 'star players' in the NFL. However, in the last couple of years, I have come across some news articles that reveal that he had a history of domestic abuse complaints involving the women in his life. That dark side of Walker's personality did not get wide publicity during his playing years and the teams he played for managed to hang a 'Golden Boy'
    image on the guy.

    Turns out, he is just another black guy who had a ton of athletic talent but who was severely lacking in impulse control. Makes me wonder if the NFL has a special branch assigned to conceal the criminal mischief of players who they feel are the league's 'super stars' and keep their misbehavior hidden from the public.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AceDeuce

  95. @YetAnotherAnon
    Talking of racism and mental illness, this guy, Adam Posen, was a member of the Bank of England's Monetary Policy committee until very recently.

    It's good to know he cared so much about British workers !

    https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1578130142655905816

    a focus on domestic manufacturing is simply a “fetish for keeping white males with low education in the powerful positions they are in.
     

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Mr. Anon, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @AnotherDad, @Gabe Ruth

    Another astonishing clip from the Cato Institute event today, this one from the influential Adam Posen, head of the Peterson Institute. He says a focus on domestic manufacturing is simply a “fetish for keeping white males with low education in the powerful positions they are in.”

    Stop right there … I can already guess.

    Seriously people–separate nations. Contra these parasites, white people actually do need to produce stuff. However, we absolutely do not need, them.

  96. @Dennis Dale
    @MEH 0910

    That's Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead in the role of the homeless dog-man.

    Hey, you know, this could be the best thing to happen to a homeless guy, becoming a dog. Now maybe he can get into a rescue shelter and be adopted by loving parents.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    That’s Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead in the role of the homeless dog-man.

    http://www.deaddisc.com/vi/Invasion.htm

    Jerry Garcia plays the banjo part that is heard during a scene where a beggar is playing a banjo in a park. It has been suggested that Jerry Garcia appears as a beggar in this scene but this is not the case.

    The DVD credits include under the cast section:

    • Beggar: Joe Bellan

    And under the production section:

    • Banjo: Jerry Garcia

    http://reelsf.com/reelsf/2018/2/16/invasion-of-the-body-snatchers-matthews-office

    Then… Elizabeth and Matthew are both employed by the city’s health department. On her way to work she passes a street busker (Joe Bellan, banjo recorded by Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead) and his faithful boxer companion.

    http://movie-dude.com/1Actors%20Pages/Joe%20Bellan.htm

    [MORE]

    Harry the Banjo Player

    • Thanks: Dennis Dale
  97. @Hypnotoad666
    @Eustace Tilley (not)


    I do remember Tucker Carlson mentioning a medical paper claiming that moderate to heavy cannabis use by adolescents may be a risk factor for the development of schizophrenia in their late teens or early twenties.
     
    Alex Berenson wrote a pretty well researched book on the subject (Tell Your Children) and makes a strong case that, while pot may be relatively harmless for most people, it can trigger schizophrenia in some percentage of the population who have a genetic propensity to begin with.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVt5Y0-Wiyc

    Replies: @New Dealer

    Can confirm marijuana flipping a teenager into pestiferous schizophrenia from personal testimony of her father. Back then I thought he was just an old fogey, but it turns out to be true for some subset of the population.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  98. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @SunBakedSuburb


    The 70s Body Snatcher movie is the best filmic version of the novel that has, so far, spawned four editions.
     
    Very much agree. Personally I believe the 90s version is the most underrated filmed version. I may have to rewatch it since it's Halloween season.

    But the dog with the bum’s head scene. According to the manner in which the alien pods produce duplicate humans the dog/bum combo makes zero sense.
     
    My theory is that the pods quickly realized the hybrid creature was distressing to normal humans, thus making it an excellent tool for flushing out the remaining humans.

    It's unknowable if its creation was intentional by the pods or simply a replacement gone wrong.

    Replies: @Anon

    My theory is that the pods quickly realized the hybrid creature was distressing to normal humans, thus making it an excellent tool for flushing out the remaining humans.

    A lot like the movie Bros.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Anon



    My theory is that the pods quickly realized the hybrid creature was distressing to normal humans, thus making it an excellent tool for flushing out the remaining humans.
     
    A lot like the movie Bros.
     
    Pretty much.

    There's definitely something wrong with a lot of people. Quite a few supposedly normal people--apparently, maybe Hollyweird was just lying--went out and subjected themselves to this "Brokeback Mountain" thing, years ago. Why?

    Maybe this is just conformance to societal norms, which is overall how societies are generally supposed to operate, and our society is just screwed up because we have norms set by Hollyweird's Jews gay Jews.

  99. Blacks grow up thinking they are the man. Budding rap artist and ladykiller of white and asian women.
    When reality bites and they discover no-one is interested in them then they blame racism and go mad.

    Either that or it’s all the superskunk they smoke.

    Either way, if it wasn’t for the Civil Rights act they would be fouling their own nest in some ghetto slum.

  100. @Rob
    @TWS

    No, we are.

    It’s not just muggles who think schizophrenia means two personalities. Future (and new) schizophrenics think that too. I would have gotten treatment years earlier had I known that introvertive anhedonia is the start. That and delusions were the first symptoms and I had them for more than a decade.

    Caused lots of problems.

    Replies: @TWS

    As a police officer I dealt with too many mentally ill to count. For the dangerous, and despite activists best efforts to warp perception to the contrary, forced medication/institutionalization is best. Best for society and best for them. There’s no substitute for that as we have found to everyone’s misfortune.

    • Agree: West reanimator
  101. @YetAnotherAnon
    Talking of racism and mental illness, this guy, Adam Posen, was a member of the Bank of England's Monetary Policy committee until very recently.

    It's good to know he cared so much about British workers !

    https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1578130142655905816

    a focus on domestic manufacturing is simply a “fetish for keeping white males with low education in the powerful positions they are in.
     

    Replies: @Ian Smith, @Mr. Anon, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @AnotherDad, @Gabe Ruth

    He says it like having a fetish is a bad thing in the Current Year. Kink shaming is not OK!

  102. Lee is a very common name. He could have been named after Lee Harvey Oswald, Lee Marvin, Bruce Lee or any number of other Lees, or the next door neighbor, or nobody.

  103. @Anon
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    My theory is that the pods quickly realized the hybrid creature was distressing to normal humans, thus making it an excellent tool for flushing out the remaining humans.

     

    A lot like the movie Bros.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    My theory is that the pods quickly realized the hybrid creature was distressing to normal humans, thus making it an excellent tool for flushing out the remaining humans.

    A lot like the movie Bros.

    Pretty much.

    There’s definitely something wrong with a lot of people. Quite a few supposedly normal people–apparently, maybe Hollyweird was just lying–went out and subjected themselves to this “Brokeback Mountain” thing, years ago. Why?

    Maybe this is just conformance to societal norms, which is overall how societies are generally supposed to operate, and our society is just screwed up because we have norms set by Hollyweird’s Jews gay Jews.

  104. The public health and mental health systems in the United States are a complete shit show and have not been helped over the years due to the gray hand of the Supreme Court making it very difficult for people with psychotic mental illnesses to receive effective lifelong care, treatment, and management.

    The system by which people have health insurance through their jobs simply doesn’t work, because most people who have long-term mental illness don’t have long-term jobs, so they end up under the auspices of Medicare or Medicaid, and often end up homeless and outside the system altogether, or moving from state to state in such of warmer weather for outdoor living, and higher disability payments.

    The mentally ill also particularly badly affected by use of street drugs. Marijuana which is now legal in many states is particularly bad for people with schizophrenia, and often causes relapses.

    Reform of the mental health system is certainly something that either political party could make more efforts to address, except for the fact that the White House and Congress are largely populated by lunatics who lack insight into their own condition.

    And with a Supreme Court whose judicial intellects are mostly fossilized in the era of muskets and horseback travel, there is not much hope for progress.

  105. @Spud Boy
    You should be able to sue government officials, personally, if you are attacked by someone released from jail or a mental institution.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    You should be able to sue government officials, personally, if you are attacked by someone released from jail or a mental institution.

    Yes, but you would usually end up suing government officials called judges, and you know the Supreme Court would never allow that.

  106. @Anon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The question for me isn't whether blacks the world over are savages - of course they are. Do we really think at most a century of half-assed attempts to civilize them was going to be all it took? The question is how long will to take to civilize them.

    They've been attempting to civilize Mexican Indians - by all measures a smarter, more accomplished and more civilized group than blacks - for 500 years but still haven't completely succeeded. 500 years is about as long as it took to civilize the Germanic tribes. How long will it take for blacks? 1,000 years?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Lockean Proviso

    I don’t think ever.

    It will take genetic engineering.

  107. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Steve Sailer

    A child's friend, a very bright boy, developed schizophrenia around 18-19 - my child is convinced it was due to smoking weed from about 14 onwards - his well off, ultra-liberal media-people parents let him indulge at home. Of course today's stuff is much more potent than it was in our youth.

    At 16 he was one of the "cool kids". At 25 and afaik still with troubles, not so much.

    I must be getting out more, because twice recently I've passed in the street youths who absolutely reeked of "skunk".

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus

    Cannabis may cause schizophrenia symptoms to start earlier in life, provided the individual is predisposed to that mental illness. Otherwise, weed does not magically lead a normal person to become a schizophrenic.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Corvinus


    Weed does not magically lead a normal person to become a schizophrenic...
     
    Most of us these days do not believe in magic anyway.

    Heavy use of cannabis can certainly cause people to be temporarily psychotic. The more they persist with overindulgence, the more likely they are too eventually reach a state of equilibrium where they cannot return to normal mental functioning.

    Whether they ever deteriorate to the extent that they get a psychiatric diagnosis of psychosis like schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder, or become known to the police in one way or another will obviously depend on the individual constitution.

    Perhaps people should subject themselves to psychiatric testing before they try cannabis? In a time when so many people are scared to take a vaccination, it seems contradictory that so many will try taking various street drugs over which there is very little quality control, let alone large scale safety studies.
  108. According to Mr. Chan, the stranger shouted an anti-Asian racial slur before ambushing him.

    How exactly do you “ambush” someone after announcing your presence? I must be unclear on the basics of ambushing.

  109. @pirelli
    @As

    Do you have a good cite for the pot / schizo connection? My anecdotal observations strongly support a connection, but most studies I’ve seen have concluded that there’s not enough evidence of causation.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

    My anecdotal observations strongly support a connection, but most studies I’ve seen have concluded that there’s not enough evidence of causation.

    Correlation is not causation. It’s also possible that people suffering from mental problems are more likely to self medicate. Intuiting that there’s a connection does not in any way establish a causal arrow.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Veteran Aryan

    "Self medication" is bullshit. It is often used as a term (invented by lawyers?) to justify overindulgence in recreational drugs and alcohol.

    If you were actually medicating yourself, you would take a carefully measured dose of e.g alcohol at a specific time, with the dose calibrated to have the maximum effect on the symptoms, and yet produced the minimum of side effects and after affects like affecting your ability to drive a car or have a hangover.

    Before starting a course of alcohol therapy, you would probably also need to have liver function tests, and you would need to be cognizant of the interactions between alcohol and any other medications that you might be taking.

    Saying that you drink a lot of alcohol because you are unhappy and therefore areself-medicating for depression does not cut it.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

    , @pirelli
    @Veteran Aryan

    Yes, which is why I asked if OP had any studies to recommend. I hadn’t seen studies concluding that there was a causal link rather than correlation, as I said in my earlier comment. From a quick search, it does appear that there are some fairly recent studies finding a causal link, but it’s a bit muddled and mostly appears that THC might be exacerbating psychosis / causing it to manifest sooner.


    From the current data, we can conclude that the tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) component of cannabis can be the main culprit causing psychosis and schizophrenia in the at-risk population.
     

    Per se cannabis does not cause schizophrenia or psychosis. However, we have longitudinal data supporting the causal link between cannabis and psychosis [18]. The causal relationship is not explicit, but there is a minimum link connecting both [14,19]. The confounding factors to cannabis use and schizophrenia development can be gender, family history, genetic predisposition, and more [20]. Cannabis interacts with pre-existing genetic and environmental factors and leads to early schizophrenia [13,15,17,21]. A person who will inevitably develop a psychotic illness has generalized brain dysfunction, whereas a person who needs cannabis exposure with their genetic predisposition to develop psychosis has a more selective effect of psychosis and selective cognitive defect [21]. Frequent cannabis users have increased risk of developing psychosis/ schizophrenia and that too, at an earlier age [20].
     
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7442038/
  110. @Jack D
    @YetAnotherAnon


    my child is convinced it was due to smoking weed from about 14 onwards
     
    18 or 19 is the typical age at which youth have their first schizophrenic break - they do this whether or not they smoke weed. Millions of people smoke weed without becoming schizophrenic. It's possible that smoking dope aggravates or speeds up schizophrenic tendencies but probably this fellow was on the road to schizophrenia anyway - it has a strong genetic component and it can be heartbreaking because it turns a heretofore promising youth into a hopeless mess.

    Speaking of smoking though, an extremely high % of schizophrenics (something like 70 to 80%) are cigarette smokers. It's possible that nicotine is a form of self-medication for them.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8687814/

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Pixo

    Marijuana in healthy people almost always causes paranoia, which is a classic symptom of schizophrenia. Of course people still enjoy it because the paranoia can manifest itself in a very mild way.

    I agree it is genetic, but it also is a spectrum and strong marijuana use in adolescence will lead people to become schizophrenic who might otherwise have sub-clinical eccentric behavior but still be productive members of society.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Pixo

    This country started to turn to schitt precisely at the same time that White people started to use illegal drugs.

    Coincidence?

  111. @Pixo
    @Jack D

    Marijuana in healthy people almost always causes paranoia, which is a classic symptom of schizophrenia. Of course people still enjoy it because the paranoia can manifest itself in a very mild way.

    I agree it is genetic, but it also is a spectrum and strong marijuana use in adolescence will lead people to become schizophrenic who might otherwise have sub-clinical eccentric behavior but still be productive members of society.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    This country started to turn to schitt precisely at the same time that White people started to use illegal drugs.

    Coincidence?

  112. @Art Deco
    @Anon

    There are currently about 2 million people collecting TANF, of whom about 800,000 are black. That amounts to 2% of the black population.

    Replies: @Alden

    TANF isn’t the only form of welfare.

  113. @Veteran Aryan
    @pirelli


    My anecdotal observations strongly support a connection, but most studies I’ve seen have concluded that there’s not enough evidence of causation.
     
    Correlation is not causation. It's also possible that people suffering from mental problems are more likely to self medicate. Intuiting that there's a connection does not in any way establish a causal arrow.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @pirelli

    “Self medication” is bullshit. It is often used as a term (invented by lawyers?) to justify overindulgence in recreational drugs and alcohol.

    If you were actually medicating yourself, you would take a carefully measured dose of e.g alcohol at a specific time, with the dose calibrated to have the maximum effect on the symptoms, and yet produced the minimum of side effects and after affects like affecting your ability to drive a car or have a hangover.

    Before starting a course of alcohol therapy, you would probably also need to have liver function tests, and you would need to be cognizant of the interactions between alcohol and any other medications that you might be taking.

    Saying that you drink a lot of alcohol because you are unhappy and therefore areself-medicating for depression does not cut it.

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    @Jonathan Mason


    If you were actually medicating yourself, you would take a carefully measured dose of e.g alcohol at a specific time,
     
    So you're suggesting that people who self medicate aren't conducting themselves like medical professionals? Very insightful analysis.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  114. @Corvinus
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Cannabis may cause schizophrenia symptoms to start earlier in life, provided the individual is predisposed to that mental illness. Otherwise, weed does not magically lead a normal person to become a schizophrenic.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Weed does not magically lead a normal person to become a schizophrenic…

    Most of us these days do not believe in magic anyway.

    Heavy use of cannabis can certainly cause people to be temporarily psychotic. The more they persist with overindulgence, the more likely they are too eventually reach a state of equilibrium where they cannot return to normal mental functioning.

    Whether they ever deteriorate to the extent that they get a psychiatric diagnosis of psychosis like schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder, or become known to the police in one way or another will obviously depend on the individual constitution.

    Perhaps people should subject themselves to psychiatric testing before they try cannabis? In a time when so many people are scared to take a vaccination, it seems contradictory that so many will try taking various street drugs over which there is very little quality control, let alone large scale safety studies.

  115. @AceDeuce
    @Tucker


    Clearly, Whites need to wake up and understand that we need complete and total geographic permanent separation from blacks. We cannot continue to allow blacks to drag the civilization that Whites created down to the level of Zimbabwe.
     
    Welp, this "White" came to that conclusion about 45 years ago. It's been frustrating, to say the least.

    Almost every negro is pretty much "mentally ill", and since almost all are drugged out every day of their lives after the age of 12 or so (at the outside--many start at 8 or 9), it's a big problem.

    Even IKAGOs (really, there's no such thing) Look at the Herschel Walker debacle.

    Never put a single egg, much less all your eggs, in a negro basket.

    Of course, the current poster boy for Klueless Kucks is Kanye West. That will end in a trainwreck. Will anybody ever learn?

    Replies: @Tucker

    You’re right about Herschel Walker. I used to be a big fan of the Dallas Cowboys during the time Walker played for them. And, on the surface anyway, Walker seemed to have a decent public image as compared to most of the other black so-called ‘star players’ in the NFL. However, in the last couple of years, I have come across some news articles that reveal that he had a history of domestic abuse complaints involving the women in his life. That dark side of Walker’s personality did not get wide publicity during his playing years and the teams he played for managed to hang a ‘Golden Boy’
    image on the guy.

    Turns out, he is just another black guy who had a ton of athletic talent but who was severely lacking in impulse control. Makes me wonder if the NFL has a special branch assigned to conceal the criminal mischief of players who they feel are the league’s ‘super stars’ and keep their misbehavior hidden from the public.

    • Thanks: AceDeuce
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Tucker

    "Makes me wonder if the NFL has a special branch assigned to conceal the criminal mischief of players"

    It's more done at the team level. I posted a long WP article about the fixer employed by the Dallas Cowboys. He's a retired cop who visits all the police departments in the DFW area, hands out Cowboy tickets, and his business card: if any Cowboy gets arrested, call me, not the media. We'll talk.

    , @AceDeuce
    @Tucker

    O.J. Simpson, after his football career was over, when he was doing nothing but acting in films and on TV sporadically (and badly), was at the top of the most admired men in America, year after year.

    I heard a story during the OJ trial period. A young man who had attended USC in the 80s was working his way through school, and got a plum assignment from the Athletic Department.

    It was coming up on the 50th anniversary of the Heisman Trophy, and since USC had several winners in the past, some students were "assigned" to each winner's name--calling fat cat alums and hitting up donations in the name of "their" Heisman winner.

    This guy was given OJ's name, and was elated. The biggest one of them all. He was puzzled when his list of fatcats weren't thrilled, to say the least, about giving money in OJ's honor.

    He found out later that, when OJ was a "student" there, he availed himself, quite frequently, with White female student companionship. His courting style was more Mandingo than Romeo, and a couple of White gals needed medical care after OJ got angry. There were also many incidents of nose candy use that required intervention by the fatcats with the cops and other authorities, not to mention the fact that OJ was essentially illiterate and in constant danger of flunking out, which required fatcat interventions, as well (He never did graduate, but he never missed any football, so that's all that mattered.) All those years later, those rich White men had remained mum, but they were not kindly disposed to OJ.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jonathan Mason

  116. @Veteran Aryan
    @pirelli


    My anecdotal observations strongly support a connection, but most studies I’ve seen have concluded that there’s not enough evidence of causation.
     
    Correlation is not causation. It's also possible that people suffering from mental problems are more likely to self medicate. Intuiting that there's a connection does not in any way establish a causal arrow.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @pirelli

    Yes, which is why I asked if OP had any studies to recommend. I hadn’t seen studies concluding that there was a causal link rather than correlation, as I said in my earlier comment. From a quick search, it does appear that there are some fairly recent studies finding a causal link, but it’s a bit muddled and mostly appears that THC might be exacerbating psychosis / causing it to manifest sooner.

    From the current data, we can conclude that the tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) component of cannabis can be the main culprit causing psychosis and schizophrenia in the at-risk population.

    Per se cannabis does not cause schizophrenia or psychosis. However, we have longitudinal data supporting the causal link between cannabis and psychosis [18]. The causal relationship is not explicit, but there is a minimum link connecting both [14,19]. The confounding factors to cannabis use and schizophrenia development can be gender, family history, genetic predisposition, and more [20]. Cannabis interacts with pre-existing genetic and environmental factors and leads to early schizophrenia [13,15,17,21]. A person who will inevitably develop a psychotic illness has generalized brain dysfunction, whereas a person who needs cannabis exposure with their genetic predisposition to develop psychosis has a more selective effect of psychosis and selective cognitive defect [21]. Frequent cannabis users have increased risk of developing psychosis/ schizophrenia and that too, at an earlier age [20].

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7442038/

  117. @Jonathan Mason
    @Veteran Aryan

    "Self medication" is bullshit. It is often used as a term (invented by lawyers?) to justify overindulgence in recreational drugs and alcohol.

    If you were actually medicating yourself, you would take a carefully measured dose of e.g alcohol at a specific time, with the dose calibrated to have the maximum effect on the symptoms, and yet produced the minimum of side effects and after affects like affecting your ability to drive a car or have a hangover.

    Before starting a course of alcohol therapy, you would probably also need to have liver function tests, and you would need to be cognizant of the interactions between alcohol and any other medications that you might be taking.

    Saying that you drink a lot of alcohol because you are unhappy and therefore areself-medicating for depression does not cut it.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

    If you were actually medicating yourself, you would take a carefully measured dose of e.g alcohol at a specific time,

    So you’re suggesting that people who self medicate aren’t conducting themselves like medical professionals? Very insightful analysis.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Veteran Aryan


    So you’re suggesting that people who self medicate aren’t conducting themselves like medical professionals? Very insightful analysis.
     
    More that people who claim they are self-medicating with the use of alcohol or cannabis are trying to give the superficial impression that they are conducting themselves like medical professionals, when really they are just heavy drinkers or tokers, or else they are trying to suggest that what is generally recognized as legitimate medical treatment is really no different from boozing.
  118. @Tucker
    @AceDeuce

    You're right about Herschel Walker. I used to be a big fan of the Dallas Cowboys during the time Walker played for them. And, on the surface anyway, Walker seemed to have a decent public image as compared to most of the other black so-called 'star players' in the NFL. However, in the last couple of years, I have come across some news articles that reveal that he had a history of domestic abuse complaints involving the women in his life. That dark side of Walker's personality did not get wide publicity during his playing years and the teams he played for managed to hang a 'Golden Boy'
    image on the guy.

    Turns out, he is just another black guy who had a ton of athletic talent but who was severely lacking in impulse control. Makes me wonder if the NFL has a special branch assigned to conceal the criminal mischief of players who they feel are the league's 'super stars' and keep their misbehavior hidden from the public.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AceDeuce

    “Makes me wonder if the NFL has a special branch assigned to conceal the criminal mischief of players”

    It’s more done at the team level. I posted a long WP article about the fixer employed by the Dallas Cowboys. He’s a retired cop who visits all the police departments in the DFW area, hands out Cowboy tickets, and his business card: if any Cowboy gets arrested, call me, not the media. We’ll talk.

  119. @Anon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The question for me isn't whether blacks the world over are savages - of course they are. Do we really think at most a century of half-assed attempts to civilize them was going to be all it took? The question is how long will to take to civilize them.

    They've been attempting to civilize Mexican Indians - by all measures a smarter, more accomplished and more civilized group than blacks - for 500 years but still haven't completely succeeded. 500 years is about as long as it took to civilize the Germanic tribes. How long will it take for blacks? 1,000 years?

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Lockean Proviso

    Since the 1960s, our leaders have been doing many things to uncivilize blacks. Has ghetto culture accelerated genetic divergence? It is a highly hypergamous culture that widely condones the most aggressive and criminally successful having children with many different women. Bourgeois traits such as thrift, restraint, work ethic, and productive intelligence are detriments to respect and social status in the ghetto (and now that mindset is being inculcated into wider society by elites). Genetic ramifications in a novel selective context emerge within a relatively few number of generations, and of course ghetto generations are shorter than bourgeois generations.

    It would be insightful research for an investigator to study prevalence of various genes for such things as MAO inhibitors, aggression, and intelligence over time in working-class and overall black populations. It may well be getting worse under the selection pressures of permissive, culturally anti-bourgeois welfare-based dysgenic society. Of course such a researcher would be cancelled with extreme prejudice, but maybe as a last hurrah it would be a nice coda to a career. Or maybe the Beijing Genomics Institute has already been gathering the data and knows the answer.

  120. @Elli
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I think schizophrenia presents differently in blacks than whites, that blacks can remain sociable while whites become withdrawn, so they still go on to have children. Or they have children very young, before symptoms set in. Maybe schizophrenia is associated with having more children, among blacks.

    Whem articles about schizophrenic men shot by police mention the dead man's children, the man is black. Reporting bias, family choices sharing information, or true differences?

    Other possibilities: Bipolar disorder with psychosis labelled schizophrenia in blacks, the other way around in whites.

    White admixture in blacks causing schizophrenia. Contradicted by high rates of schizophrenia in black immigrants to northern countries, compared to staying in native lands. Systemic racism and immigrant stress the acceptable explanation, but what about problems with cold, sunlight, vitamin D? Somalis in Minnesota have high rates of autism, genetically linked with schizophrenia.

    Maybe we can start saying that it is genocidal to settle African refugees in the north...genocidal to the poor Africans.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Genocidal to the poor whites who have to live with them.

  121. @Bardon Kaldian
    @International Jew

    They're not bad people.

    They're just what they are (an AmRen classic):

    https://www.amren.com/archives/back-issues/february-2009/#cover

    Morality and Abstract Thinking

    How Africans may differ from Westerners

    ....................................
    Gruesome cruelty

    Another aspect of African behavior that liberals do their best to ignore but that nevertheless requires an explanation is gratuitous cruelty. A reviewer of Driving South, a 1993 book by David Robbins, writes:


    A Cape social worker sees elements that revel in violence . . . It’s like a cult which has embraced a lot of people who otherwise appear normal. . . . At the slightest provocation their blood-lust is aroused. And then they want to see death, and they jeer and mock at the suffering involved, especially the suffering of a slow and agonizing death. (Citizen [Johannesburg], July 12, 1993, p.6.)
     
    There is something so unspeakably vile about this, something so beyond depravity, that the human brain recoils. This is not merely the absence of human empathy, but the positive enjoyment of human suffering, all the more so when it is “slow and agonizing.” Can you imagine jeering at and mocking someone in such horrible agony?

    During the apartheid era, black activists used to kill traitors and enemies by “necklacing” them. An old tire was put around the victim’s neck, filled with gasoline, and — but it is best to let an eye-witness describe what happened next:

    The petrol-filled tyre is jammed on your shoulders and a lighter is placed within reach . . . . Your fingers are broken, needles are pushed up your nose and you are tortured until you put the lighter to the petrol yourself. (Citizen; “SA’s New Nazis,” August 10, 1993, p.18.)
     
    The author of an article in the Chicago Tribune, describing the equally gruesome way the Hutu killed Tutsi in the Burundi massacres, marveled at “the ecstasy of killing, the lust for blood; this is the most horrible thought. It’s beyond my reach.” (“Hutu Killers Danced In Blood Of Victims, Videotapes Show,” Chicago Tribune, September 14, 1995, p.8.) The lack of any moral sense is further evidenced by their having videotaped their crimes, “apparently want[ing] to record . . . [them] for posterity.” Unlike Nazi war criminals, who hid their deeds, these people apparently took pride in their work.

    In 1993, Amy Biehl, a 26-year-old American on a Fulbright scholarship, was living in South Africa, where she spent most of her time in black townships helping blacks. One day when she was driving three African friends home, young blacks stopped the car, dragged her out, and killed her because she was white. A retired senior South African judge, Rex van Schalkwyk, in his 1998 book One Miracle is Not Enough, quotes from a newspaper report on the trial of her killers: “Supporters of the three men accused of murdering [her] . . . burst out laughing in the public gallery of the Supreme Court today when a witness told how the battered woman groaned in pain.” This behavior, Van Schalkwyk wrote, “is impossible to explain in terms accessible to rational minds.” (pp. 188-89.)

    These incidents and the responses they evoke — “the human brain recoils,” “beyond my reach,” “impossible to explain to rational minds” — represent a pattern of behavior and thinking that cannot be wished away, and offer additional support for my claim that Africans are deficient in moral consciousness.

    Replies: @Anon, @Polistra

    A Cape social worker sees elements that revel in violence . . . It’s like a cult which has embraced a lot of people who otherwise appear normal. . . . At the slightest provocation their blood-lust is aroused. And then they want to see death, and they jeer and mock at the suffering involved, especially the suffering of a slow and agonizing death. (Citizen [Johannesburg], July 12, 1993, p.6.)

    Thanks for this. It’s one of a very few times that I can remember seeing it articulated: the almost-universal tendency among these creatures to celebrate and revel in the suffering of their victims. The more hideous the attack, the happier these predators are.

    Two things seem to go together: their tendency to engage in horrific, needless violence, such as jumping and stomping on the heads of their unconscious victims; and the “dancing in the end zone” theatrics they display showing how much they enjoy the carnage.

    And they are inevitably plying their trade with a perp-to-victim ratio of around ten to one. Art D here says it’s all just because whyte people have a bad attitude. The ones who are still alive, that is.

  122. @Veteran Aryan
    @Jonathan Mason


    If you were actually medicating yourself, you would take a carefully measured dose of e.g alcohol at a specific time,
     
    So you're suggesting that people who self medicate aren't conducting themselves like medical professionals? Very insightful analysis.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    So you’re suggesting that people who self medicate aren’t conducting themselves like medical professionals? Very insightful analysis.

    More that people who claim they are self-medicating with the use of alcohol or cannabis are trying to give the superficial impression that they are conducting themselves like medical professionals, when really they are just heavy drinkers or tokers, or else they are trying to suggest that what is generally recognized as legitimate medical treatment is really no different from boozing.

  123. @Tucker
    @AceDeuce

    You're right about Herschel Walker. I used to be a big fan of the Dallas Cowboys during the time Walker played for them. And, on the surface anyway, Walker seemed to have a decent public image as compared to most of the other black so-called 'star players' in the NFL. However, in the last couple of years, I have come across some news articles that reveal that he had a history of domestic abuse complaints involving the women in his life. That dark side of Walker's personality did not get wide publicity during his playing years and the teams he played for managed to hang a 'Golden Boy'
    image on the guy.

    Turns out, he is just another black guy who had a ton of athletic talent but who was severely lacking in impulse control. Makes me wonder if the NFL has a special branch assigned to conceal the criminal mischief of players who they feel are the league's 'super stars' and keep their misbehavior hidden from the public.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AceDeuce

    O.J. Simpson, after his football career was over, when he was doing nothing but acting in films and on TV sporadically (and badly), was at the top of the most admired men in America, year after year.

    I heard a story during the OJ trial period. A young man who had attended USC in the 80s was working his way through school, and got a plum assignment from the Athletic Department.

    It was coming up on the 50th anniversary of the Heisman Trophy, and since USC had several winners in the past, some students were “assigned” to each winner’s name–calling fat cat alums and hitting up donations in the name of “their” Heisman winner.

    This guy was given OJ’s name, and was elated. The biggest one of them all. He was puzzled when his list of fatcats weren’t thrilled, to say the least, about giving money in OJ’s honor.

    He found out later that, when OJ was a “student” there, he availed himself, quite frequently, with White female student companionship. His courting style was more Mandingo than Romeo, and a couple of White gals needed medical care after OJ got angry. There were also many incidents of nose candy use that required intervention by the fatcats with the cops and other authorities, not to mention the fact that OJ was essentially illiterate and in constant danger of flunking out, which required fatcat interventions, as well (He never did graduate, but he never missed any football, so that’s all that mattered.) All those years later, those rich White men had remained mum, but they were not kindly disposed to OJ.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @AceDeuce

    The preceding black Heisman trophy winner at USC, Mike Garrett, was a fine individual and returned to be athletic director for awhile.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @AceDeuce

    You can hardly ever underestimate the effect of paid public relations manipulation on the media images of famous people such as athletes,actors, or politicians, or any field where money and fame go to people's heads.

    Really you can't believe anything you read unless you have first-hand inside knowledge to confirm what is written.

    The internet did not exist when OJ was in his heyday, but over the last 20 years it has made everything even worse.

  124. @AceDeuce
    @Tucker

    O.J. Simpson, after his football career was over, when he was doing nothing but acting in films and on TV sporadically (and badly), was at the top of the most admired men in America, year after year.

    I heard a story during the OJ trial period. A young man who had attended USC in the 80s was working his way through school, and got a plum assignment from the Athletic Department.

    It was coming up on the 50th anniversary of the Heisman Trophy, and since USC had several winners in the past, some students were "assigned" to each winner's name--calling fat cat alums and hitting up donations in the name of "their" Heisman winner.

    This guy was given OJ's name, and was elated. The biggest one of them all. He was puzzled when his list of fatcats weren't thrilled, to say the least, about giving money in OJ's honor.

    He found out later that, when OJ was a "student" there, he availed himself, quite frequently, with White female student companionship. His courting style was more Mandingo than Romeo, and a couple of White gals needed medical care after OJ got angry. There were also many incidents of nose candy use that required intervention by the fatcats with the cops and other authorities, not to mention the fact that OJ was essentially illiterate and in constant danger of flunking out, which required fatcat interventions, as well (He never did graduate, but he never missed any football, so that's all that mattered.) All those years later, those rich White men had remained mum, but they were not kindly disposed to OJ.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jonathan Mason

    The preceding black Heisman trophy winner at USC, Mike Garrett, was a fine individual and returned to be athletic director for awhile.

  125. The preceding black Heisman trophy winner at USC, Mike Garrett, was a fine individual and returned to be athletic director for awhile.

    Kewl story. Awesomely awesome. Wasn’t he AD when Reggie Bush was there? And O.J. Mayo?

    Now do the character deep dive on the two black Heisman winning Trojans following O.J.: Charles White and Orenthal’s (and Nicole’s) buddy, Marcus Allen.

  126. @AceDeuce
    @Tucker

    O.J. Simpson, after his football career was over, when he was doing nothing but acting in films and on TV sporadically (and badly), was at the top of the most admired men in America, year after year.

    I heard a story during the OJ trial period. A young man who had attended USC in the 80s was working his way through school, and got a plum assignment from the Athletic Department.

    It was coming up on the 50th anniversary of the Heisman Trophy, and since USC had several winners in the past, some students were "assigned" to each winner's name--calling fat cat alums and hitting up donations in the name of "their" Heisman winner.

    This guy was given OJ's name, and was elated. The biggest one of them all. He was puzzled when his list of fatcats weren't thrilled, to say the least, about giving money in OJ's honor.

    He found out later that, when OJ was a "student" there, he availed himself, quite frequently, with White female student companionship. His courting style was more Mandingo than Romeo, and a couple of White gals needed medical care after OJ got angry. There were also many incidents of nose candy use that required intervention by the fatcats with the cops and other authorities, not to mention the fact that OJ was essentially illiterate and in constant danger of flunking out, which required fatcat interventions, as well (He never did graduate, but he never missed any football, so that's all that mattered.) All those years later, those rich White men had remained mum, but they were not kindly disposed to OJ.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jonathan Mason

    You can hardly ever underestimate the effect of paid public relations manipulation on the media images of famous people such as athletes,actors, or politicians, or any field where money and fame go to people’s heads.

    Really you can’t believe anything you read unless you have first-hand inside knowledge to confirm what is written.

    The internet did not exist when OJ was in his heyday, but over the last 20 years it has made everything even worse.

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