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Darkness at Noon is Arthur Koestler’s famous 1940 novel imagining the interrogation before a show trial of an Old Bolshevik like Bukharin by Stalin’s secret police. In reality, the NKVD didn’t bother with Dostoevskyan dialogues, they just beat the arrestees until they promised to confess in front of the cameras so they could be shot and get the pain over with.

But in Darkness at Noon, the protagonist swears his innocence: he never plotted against the Stalin-like dictator. But his interrogator gets him to admit that, considering what a monster he believes the dictator to be, the hero should have plotted to kill the Stalin figure, and therefore he is either guilty of plotting to murder the leader or of being too cowardly to act on his moral imperative and plot to murder the leader, psychologically checkmating the protagonist.

We’ve been lectured for four years that Trump is not Stalin, he’s Literally Hitler. Now, though, we are also being lectured that, while of course Putin hacked the 2016 election, none of the millions who believe that Trump is Literally Hitler have interfered in the 2020 election.

If they haven’t, why didn’t they? Do they not believe their own rhetoric? Were they unwilling to risk arrest? Are the systems so bulletproof that not even the best minds of The Resistance can penetrate them?

It’s a mystery …

 
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  1. • Agree: Polynikes
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Anon

    Now, have the courage of your convictions and conclude that blacks should not be allowed to vote.

    Replies: @JR.Ewing.78

  2. Mystery or not, I’m afraid it’s going to be over soon.

    The vote counts in PA and GA are within the margin of inevitability now, and I suspect they’ll soon be tipped over to Biden. The media will then try to exercise their Divine Prerogative and swiftly ‘call’ both states, rendering the less-promising counts going on in AZ and NV moot.

    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump’s legal challenges really gaining? It’s very hard to get a sense of this.

    • Replies: @Jmaie
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump’s legal challenges really gaining?
     
    Nada, zilch, nil. 100 smoking guns do not prove anything in a court of law. (Not interested in arguing whether there are 100 SG or even one).
    , @Thomas
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Some of these states have provisions for recounts. Some will recount automatically with the vote within a certain margin. And the courts are involved, though it's hard to say right now what they'll do. Last ditch possibilities include state legislatures refusing to certify results or the election getting thrown to the House of Representatives (in which each state delegation would get one vote).

    Hate to say it though, but I think you might be right nonetheless despite the possibility of these other avenues. I don't think Gore ever recovered in 2000 from the early narrative being set that he'd lost. Trump looks and sounds tired and defeated. I'm not sure what he's hearing privately or how he's spent the past 48 hours, but he doesn't look optimistic.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Cato

    , @Russ
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump’s legal challenges really gaining? It’s very hard to get a sense of this.
     
    Hard to say, because it has little to no precedent. The prevailing narrative holds that once the Ass. Press and Faux call Nevada for Biden, Biden will have the required 270 electoral votes and the zeitgeist will triumphantly blow Cheeto out of the White House in favor of the ossified mummy who couldn't draw more than a dozen people to a gathering but who nevertheless just obliterated Obama's earth-shaking 2008 record for most votes in a U.S. presidential election (White Supremacy!!!).

    In practice, though, I don't see why Trump couldn't/shouldn't draw this thing out until either July or the geriatric Biden expires from natural causes. After three years of Russia! Russia! Russia! one might fathom The Donald (especially after a little sleep) rallying to not go gentle into that good night. More power to him if he opts to do so.

    Replies: @Poco, @Libre

    , @Cato
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The legal challenges will expose isolated incidents of fraud. It's a big country, and here and there Democrats in their enthusiasm did the wrong thing. Probably the fraud made no difference in most cases, but exposing it is likely to make a difference in the way the voter views Biden and QueMala and the Democrats in general. So it is worthwhile to pursue the legal challenges, though unfortunately the legal action will be expensive, and we will be getting more letters in our mailboxes begging for money.

    Replies: @David Davenport

    , @Russ
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump’s legal challenges really gaining? It’s very hard to get a sense of this.
     
    Hard to say, because it has little to no precedent. The prevailing narrative holds that once the AP and Faux call Nevada for Biden, Biden will have the required 270 electoral votes and the zeitgeist will triumphantly blow Cheeto out of the White House in favor of the ossified mummy who couldn’t draw more than a dozen people to a gathering but who nevertheless just obliterated Obama’s earth-shaking 2008 record for most votes in a U.S. presidential election (White Supremacy!!!).

    In practice, though, I don’t see why Trump couldn’t/shouldn’t draw this thing out until either July or the geriatric Biden expires from natural causes. After three years of Russia! Russia! Russia! one might fathom The Donald (especially after a little sleep) rallying to not go gentle into that good night. More power to him if he opts to do so.
    , @RichardTaylor
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The problem is, if they manage to fake a Biden win, not only will he have a big credibility problem, so will a lot of institutions that people have more or less believed in.

    I don't sense that the right will just "accept their loss, go back to work and be nice" the way they have in the past. Not that they will storm any buildings. But it may bring a sea change in attitudes.

    Someone said, a crucial need of a functioning democracy is that everyone agrees on election outcomes!

    The Left may have overplayed their hand this time.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @JR.Ewing.78
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I've been saying since Wednesday morning that it's clear that Trump voters got scammed, but there's also not a damn thing anyone can do about it except perhaps the legislatures and states courts in these places where the shenanigans have occurred. Rural residents in those states have every right to claim the election as stolen from them, but I don't see how they fix it. Reynolds really tied the hands of state governments being able to control legal shenanigans in the big cities.

    But for people in other states, legally speaking, it's an internal state issue and not a federal issue. The other states are more or less obligated to take on good faith the word of whatever the individual state governments report.

    You can pass some federal laws (or a constitutional amendment) to try and limit it next time (i.e. eliminate early voting nationwide, specify only for-cause absentee ballots), but aside from that, the only real remedy in the short term is to either kick that state out of the union or leave the union altogether yourself because you can't trust your partner anymore. In other words, get a divorce if it's not working out for you.

    In short, the democrats' strategy is to say, "What are you going to do about it?" And the answer from the rest of the country is, "Not much."

    Replies: @Libre

    , @James Forrestal
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    The media will then try to exercise their Divine Prerogative and swiftly ‘call’ both states, rendering the less-promising counts going on in AZ and NV moot.
     
    Well... calling it "divine" might be a bit of a stretch. But the Constitution clearly grants the power to designate the victor in any election to corporate narrative promoters like the NYT. How do I know? The Gray Yenta herself said so:

    https://i.postimg.cc/z3ZW3Lj6/NYT-WE-Decide-the-Election-2020.jpg

    QED
  3. Bigly bigly fat loser turtle falls into his own private swamp.

    Who will actually have the task of evicting him from the White House if he doesn’t go? The Marines? The Secret Service, mental health nurses with a strait jacket? Or does President Pence start his 75 days tomorrow?

    • Troll: IHTG
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Philip Owen

    https://twitter.com/SamanthaJPower/status/1324502647861370881

    Replies: @Libre

    , @Bragadocious
    @Philip Owen

    Maybe you Brits can send in the SAS, thereby completing the circle started by your spook Chris Steele. But, knowing the SAS, they'd be surrounded by mace-carrying Antifa and drop all their weapons.

    Replies: @revolver80

    , @Che Blutarsky
    @Philip Owen

    I'm sure Willie Brown's dumpster will be able to entice him out.

    A question, were you going the full Toobin when you were typing that out? Your excitement leapt off the page.

  4. There appears to be an unlimited supply of ballots to be counted by all these states still counting. The vote counts I’ve been seeing for Georgia have been like “>99% of all votes” all day. Yet it’s always one more “drop” of ballots after another, and Trump’s lead shrinking each time. So these various secretaries of state have no idea how many voters they have in their states, or how many ballots they printed up?

    Also, and it may be just that no one is updating the totals for any other race, but all these ballots for Biden sure don’t seem to have any coattails. The numbers aren’t rising for Democratic representatives or senators. I saw something I think from Michigan or Wisconsin that claimed that the change in votes for the senators or representatives on the ballot were 10 times as likely for the Republican candidate as the votes came in than for the Democrat. Do they just know that the Republican Establishment will accept this monkey business if it gets rid of Trump, but draw the line at their own races?

    They really have to be desperate to be pulling all of this. At least a third of the country is going to call this whole process illegitimate. I guess we’re just the proles who don’t matter anymore. They seem to be doubling down hard on the censorship/deplatforming. Steve Bannon’s podcast got banned from YouTube and Twitter simultaneously today. They finally got around to banning my Instagram (I got banned from Facebook in January.) Any other country, and the UN would be flying in monitors.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Thomas

    Some Republicans are sane. No sense in removing them at the same time as sending Trump to Ward 8.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    , @James Speaks
    @Thomas

    They run the risk of having courts (many different courts in more than one state) disallowing all abseentee ballots. Reason? The equal protection clause ...

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Thomas


    There appears to be an unlimited supply of ballots to be counted by all these states still counting. The vote counts I’ve been seeing for Georgia have been like “>99% of all votes” all day. Yet it’s always one more “drop” of ballots after another, and Trump’s lead shrinking each time. So these various secretaries of state have no idea how many voters they have in their states, or how many ballots they printed up?

     

    Which source of information are you using?

    One pattern I noticed in this election is serious differences among different election reports in the percentage of 'expected' vote counted. For example, on election night I was paying quite close attention to the GA race on Decision Desk Headquarters, the NYT, and the Guardian, which was using AP numbers.

    At one point I noted that DDHQ was reporting 4.7m votes counted in GA, and stated that that comprised >99% of the total votes cast.

    At the same time, the AP (as reported in the Guardian) was reporting just a few thousand fewer votes having been counted, but they said that was only 94% of the total votes cast.

    The NYT's number of votes counted was also just about the same, but they said that was only 92% of the total.

    That 'extra' 6-8% provides a lot of room for adding 'newly-discovered' blocks of votes, and also for ongoing narrative manipulation.

    I also noticed anomalies such as the counted vote for PA as reported by the NYT staying at 64% of the 'total' for hour after hour, even as tens of thousands of votes were coming in and Trump was maintaining his big lead.

  5. • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Anonymous

    Every. single. time.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Anonymous


    It is necessary to remove, and arrest, the president of the United States. Tonight.
     
    By any means necessary. Full circle. Another mystery.

    ( cf. Bob Dylan in this terrain here: Darkness at the break of noon (...) / To understand you know too soon / There is no use in tryin'

    And if my thought-dreams could be seen
    They'd probably put my head in a guillotine
    But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only

    , @Pericles
    @Anonymous

    "Go on, some of you shabbos do it. I'm waiting, hurry up!" (Keith Olbermann)

    , @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    Keith Olbermann is actually a halfway decent analog to Glenn Beck. He's consistently hysterical, sometimes fired, and once explained that La Raza was not a racial thing because in Spanish the term refers to a horseshoe. But his neckties are gorgeous.

  6. In the subReddit for my city, panicky fem-sounding people (you can’t reliably identify gender anymore on Reddit) were venting about the possibility of “voter intimidation”, by Trumpsters, against the angels who intended to vote for Biden. Thing is, the city is over 50 percent Black, and the Whites who have stuck around are mostly ultra-liberal. Somewhere, in the background, someone has instructed these fem-sounding people to saturate social media with their faux fear, even where (especially where?) it wouldn’t make any sense to worry. My guess is that this is one of the many red herrings cast by the people who are playing dirty tricks with this election. The dirty tricks are easiest to execute in cities like my own; a preliminary psyops would be to cloud everyone’s expectations that the other side was planning something nefarious.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Cato


    The dirty tricks are easiest to execute in cities like my own; a preliminary psyops would be to cloud everyone’s expectations that the other side was planning something nefarious.
     
    SJWs always project, whether its touching up kids or vote rigging.
  7. It’s a mystery …

    Not really.

    We Deplorables–i’m capitalizing!–are such frothing hate filled, racist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic bigots–for thinking our nation and culture and traditions are perfectly legitimate and decent–that they would be entitled to send us to the gas chambers …

    … but they are such virtuous people that they content themselves with merely replacing us in our nation, with only occasional assault and killing on the streets, while rabidly denouncing our hate on twitter…

    … which we don’t seem to properly appreciate! … which just proves
    that we are irredeemable hate filled deplorables who really should be to the gas chambers!

    … but will through their benevolence merely be deplatformed, cancelled, fired, occasionally beaten and have the nation our ancestors built stolen from us.

    Love wins!

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @AnotherDad

    The camps are coming. They are inevitable.

    First, the big shots are backing Biden's "Dark Winter" campaign of shutting down the US for more than a year. Yes. A FEDERAL universal shutdown for more than a year.

    This will let Amazon and Wal Mart and a few other big players get bail out money and then use it to buy assets on the cheap. There will not be a medium or small business left and they can charge what they want for monopoly level rents. That's the plan.

    Second, the big boys need a back up plan for Chinese labor -- its getting scarcer and more expensive. They need cheap INTELLIGENT labor and the Uighur camps where apparently most Nikes are made now is the model. No one smarter and harder working that White men. Even better in a camp where work can make them free.

    Third, Wokeness. Its very clear we are on spiral of Wokeness being the latest great religious revival. Particularly women who are more religious, have a giant spiritual void where Christianity used to be. Hence the form but not content of Christian beliefs with Woke Calvinism. The Divinely predestined Saved tiny few, the vast majority Whites damned for all time. With no redemption and no forgiveness. Just damnation. You have mostly young women, White and Asian, with no experience of violence or the real world, seeking to have bloodshed appease their anguish and disgust: at themselves, their lives, their lovers.

    WN types like to deride chill and grill boomer-nats etc. But well adjusted people who are happy in their lives want first and foremost to spend time with their family and secondly with their hobby. Hocking loogies in cops faces is not something normal people get up to in any event. [Jerry Nadler's intern got arrested for such -- much of Anti-Fa are Democratic operatives and employees] Wokeness on the other hand attracts like a magnet damaged people who seek to drown the emptiness of their entire existence with rivers of blood. Moreover, there is no stopping point.

    NO STOPPING POINT AT ALL.

    Abolitionists could point to the end of slavery. Job done, salvation communally accomplished. Prohibitionists could point to the vast success of Prohibition in stopping people drinking. Job done, mission accomplished. The Woke can point to -- nothing unless they eliminate once and for all the source of all evil. That which is evil beyond redemption (and there is none) and must be punished over and over again. White men. The religious impulse will not stop unless it is stopped by force, as it was before. The Restoration against the Protectorate. The end of Prohibition.

    We are seeing an alliance, big business seeking to strip mine the White middle and working class as the last asset not seized, with the religious true believers in the managerial classes who don't get money but get spiritual thrills seeing working class people beaten down and worse. Its not like these women and various gay non-Whites are going to cease getting thrills. The Spiritual highs require ever higher and higher levels of abuse towards White men.

    [One rather odd thing is that White gays seem pretty unconvinced by wokeness. It seems too religious and Calvinist stern lecture for dudes whose entire existence is devoted to ... twirliness I guess.]

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @anon
    @AnotherDad

    You just described the state of mind of my parents, neighbors, and co-workers. I don't try to talk politics with them for the same reason I wouldn't try to reason with a Scientologist or try to talk sense to the disciples at Jonestown.
    You can't debate with people who will only think you are the Devil.

  8. Do we welcome Pence as Admiral Doenitz. 75 days of glory.

  9. If Biden steals this then red-state America needs to stop paying taxes and throw sands in the gears.

    • Replies: @Beavertales
    @Anonymous

    "If Biden steals this then red-state America needs to stop paying taxes and throw sands in the gears."

    Business as usual is not an option, as the un-elected tyranny is going to declare war on fundamental liberties. To not fight back is to be less than human.

    Prepare, prepare, prepare. America is going to go downhill fast, as the dollar falters. They will stir up wars abroad to scare the money back to the greenback, but patriots in uniform should work-to-rule and deny them their best. The war that needs to be fought is not overseas.

  10. What’s also a mystery is why QAnon didn’t predict the election would be stolen.

    Just as the polls and pollsters are being widely decried does this monumental miss spell the death of QAnon as well?

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Pat Hannagan

    I'm wrong, there was a QAnon voter fraud prediction!

    A QAnon election conspiracy theory about ballot fraud is going viral on TikTok 05/11/2020

    The claim being peddled is that President Donald Trump (with the help of the Department of Homeland Security) has set up Democrats to be caught committing voter fraud by secretly watermarking all official ballots so that when Democrats allegedly produce fake ballots to “steal” the election, they won’t be counted. Users are framing this supposed move as a “military sting operation” and claiming Democrats will be arrested once the plan unfolds.

    The conspiracy theory originated from a Q drop posted in February 2018 that said “watch the water.” “Q drops” are messages the central figure of the QAnon conspiracy theory, known as “Q,” posts on an internet message board for followers.

    This will be a game changer!

    As Vox Day says, "trust the plan".

    , @Pericles
    @Pat Hannagan

    Weren't there enough predictions about that already? Axios seem to have published the biden-Harris playbook for instance.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

  11. @Philip Owen
    Bigly bigly fat loser turtle falls into his own private swamp.

    Who will actually have the task of evicting him from the White House if he doesn't go? The Marines? The Secret Service, mental health nurses with a strait jacket? Or does President Pence start his 75 days tomorrow?

    Replies: @Anon, @Bragadocious, @Che Blutarsky

    • Replies: @Libre
    @Anon

    Leftists don't like mugabe now?

  12. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Mystery or not, I'm afraid it's going to be over soon.

    The vote counts in PA and GA are within the margin of inevitability now, and I suspect they'll soon be tipped over to Biden. The media will then try to exercise their Divine Prerogative and swiftly 'call' both states, rendering the less-promising counts going on in AZ and NV moot.

    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump's legal challenges really gaining? It's very hard to get a sense of this.

    Replies: @Jmaie, @Thomas, @Russ, @Cato, @Russ, @RichardTaylor, @JR.Ewing.78, @James Forrestal

    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump’s legal challenges really gaining?

    Nada, zilch, nil. 100 smoking guns do not prove anything in a court of law. (Not interested in arguing whether there are 100 SG or even one).

  13. As of now we may be on track for the most closely balanced government in our nation’s history. Biden will probably win – but just barely, and by the slimmest of margins in a few states. If Trump wins Pennsylvania and Georgia but loses in Arizona and Nevada the Electoral College will go 271-267.

    Republicans will probably hold the Senate – but just barely.

    Democrats will win the House, but just barely – right now it’s looking about 221-214. There is some small but unlikely chance Republicans could actually win control of the House.

    Of course the Supreme Court is technically Republican, 6-3. But that depends on John Roberts mood and assumes that Justice Barrett won’t move left (probably not, but who knows?)

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Wilkey

    “ If Trump wins Pennsylvania and Georgia but loses in Arizona and Nevada the Electoral College will go 271-267.”

    If that happens, I’d say lets try the Mark Levin “coup” option of having a GOP state legislature simply ignore the corrupt counts from the Dem cities and appoint their own slate of electors.

    Details:

    https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-state-legislatures-rectify-election-fraud

    Eric Trump has already endorses this BTW.

    The dem govs or secretaries of state may protest or send their own competing slate, which gets resolved by the US Supreme Court.

    The problem is it looks like the official count will have Biden sweeping ALL of the close states that are still counting: MI PA WI GA NV AZ.

    The coup option is pretty bold if the pre-coup EC count is virtually tied.

    But a Biden win of 8 million popular votes plus 100 EVs is another story, and that is what it appears is happening. And you need 3+ legislatures to go along, not just one.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Wilkey


    Republicans will probably hold the Senate – but just barely.

     

    Just wait until January. Both Georgia Senate races are going to go to runoffs, and it's going to be balls-to-the-wall by the GA Democratic fraud machine to try to get their candidates over the top. If the Dems could get a 50-50 tie, the next two years will look very, very different.

    And although Thom Tillis's margin in the NC Senate race looks pretty safe, I'm also not convinced the Dems will give up even on that election once they finally decide to start counting the rest of that state's ballots, which seems to be whenever they've decided they've had enough time to aggregate enough of the 'late mail-in' ballots that are no doubt being 'discovered' even as we speak.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

  14. The Jewish-Black coup continues.

    • Replies: @Lazlo
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What a load...

    https://twitter.com/AlecMcQuade/status/1324534258770366464?s=20

    Replies: @Eric Novak

  15. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Mystery or not, I'm afraid it's going to be over soon.

    The vote counts in PA and GA are within the margin of inevitability now, and I suspect they'll soon be tipped over to Biden. The media will then try to exercise their Divine Prerogative and swiftly 'call' both states, rendering the less-promising counts going on in AZ and NV moot.

    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump's legal challenges really gaining? It's very hard to get a sense of this.

    Replies: @Jmaie, @Thomas, @Russ, @Cato, @Russ, @RichardTaylor, @JR.Ewing.78, @James Forrestal

    Some of these states have provisions for recounts. Some will recount automatically with the vote within a certain margin. And the courts are involved, though it’s hard to say right now what they’ll do. Last ditch possibilities include state legislatures refusing to certify results or the election getting thrown to the House of Representatives (in which each state delegation would get one vote).

    Hate to say it though, but I think you might be right nonetheless despite the possibility of these other avenues. I don’t think Gore ever recovered in 2000 from the early narrative being set that he’d lost. Trump looks and sounds tired and defeated. I’m not sure what he’s hearing privately or how he’s spent the past 48 hours, but he doesn’t look optimistic.

    • Replies: @Che Blutarsky
    @Thomas

    Even if it's a lost cause, Trump has to press on to highlight the "irregularities" in the count, and in so doing delegitimize the next whoever else wins (Joe or the rhymes with Joe).

    As for the election counts, I haven't seen anything this choreographed since the Lee Oswald prison transfer.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Thomas

    Trump's margin in GA is now down to 2500 votes, i.e. a statistical tie. Given what was going on in Atlanta, I'll bet on a few thousand Biden votes coming to light sooner rather than later.

    PA still seems to have a substantial reserve of 'expected' votes to count. Trump is only up 40K, and the margin is closing fast. That one is essentially hopeless; Trump holds on only through divine intervention.

    , @Cato
    @Thomas


    Trump looks and sounds tired and defeated.
     
    Trump chose to plow the sea, and he should not be surprised when he emerges on land. Everything is in the hands of God. Trump should just be grateful that he was allowed to be an instrument for a brief period.
  16. Steve, you could say that about every recent president, who have all been Literally Hitler to their detractors.

    Yes it was worse this time, but that also just the trend.

    And, looking back, W, Obama, and Trump are far from the cream of America. I believe about 80% of the negative stuff about all of their pre-politics life.

    Biden: needed to cheat in law school, only to graduate near the bottom his class. (Though not literally dead last like McCain and his corrupt nepotistic appointment to the Naval Academy.) Fully aware the wastrel retard he raised was trading on his name to collect foreign money to hire whores and smoke crack with them.

    W: Drunk cokehead, achieved wealth illicitly in corrupt Texas Rangers deal. Provoked wars with lies that killed thousands of Americans and roughly doubled our national debt.

    Obama: AA baby who floated up by inoffensively being the official black spokesmodel for Wall Street looters, whom he generously repaid with corrupt bank bailouts.

    Trump: Blew his initial nine-figure inheritance (partly strong-armed from his siblings) on building white elephant casinos that quickly bankrupted. Regained it by being a fake billionaire that endorsed any junk that paid him, Krusty the Klown style.

  17. We’ve been lectured for four years that Trump is not Stalin, he’s Literally Hitler. Now, though, we are also being lectured that, while of course Putin hacked the 2016 election, none of the millions who believe that Trump is Literally Hitler have interfered in the 2020 election.

    If they haven’t, why didn’t they? Do they not believe their own rhetoric? Were they unwilling to risk arrest? Are the systems so bulletproof that not even the best minds of The Resistance can penetrate them?

    That’s really a pretty amusing point…

    Someone should put the top Democrats on the spot and demand to know why they weren’t willing to engage in massive voter fraud to save American from “the new Hitler”…

    • Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost
    @Ron Unz

    Checkmate, Sailer.

    The merry cynicism, and ability to laugh in the face of this nihilism, is a tonic to me. Thank you, Steve and Ron.

    , @TWS
    @Ron Unz

    I would agree with you, but I only get so many.

    , @Rob McX
    @Ron Unz

    What's the expression - "Hitler's willing executioners"? Those who didn't support national socialism were accused of being passive collaborators by obeying the laws. Those engaging in voter fraud in the presidential election could argue that some future Nuremberg-type trial might find them guilty of collaboration if they hadn't stopped Trump.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Ron Unz


    That’s really a pretty amusing point…
     
    If it all was a Vaudeville plot, I'd agree. But it looks more like The Crime of the Century (SuperTrump). So I'm running out of humor here. Well - not quite yet.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

  18. @Thomas
    There appears to be an unlimited supply of ballots to be counted by all these states still counting. The vote counts I've been seeing for Georgia have been like ">99% of all votes" all day. Yet it's always one more "drop" of ballots after another, and Trump's lead shrinking each time. So these various secretaries of state have no idea how many voters they have in their states, or how many ballots they printed up?

    Also, and it may be just that no one is updating the totals for any other race, but all these ballots for Biden sure don't seem to have any coattails. The numbers aren't rising for Democratic representatives or senators. I saw something I think from Michigan or Wisconsin that claimed that the change in votes for the senators or representatives on the ballot were 10 times as likely for the Republican candidate as the votes came in than for the Democrat. Do they just know that the Republican Establishment will accept this monkey business if it gets rid of Trump, but draw the line at their own races?

    They really have to be desperate to be pulling all of this. At least a third of the country is going to call this whole process illegitimate. I guess we're just the proles who don't matter anymore. They seem to be doubling down hard on the censorship/deplatforming. Steve Bannon's podcast got banned from YouTube and Twitter simultaneously today. They finally got around to banning my Instagram (I got banned from Facebook in January.) Any other country, and the UN would be flying in monitors.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @James Speaks, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Some Republicans are sane. No sense in removing them at the same time as sending Trump to Ward 8.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Philip Owen


    Some Republicans are sane. No sense in removing them at the same time as sending Trump to Ward 8.
     
    There's not enough return on investment to commit voter fraud against swamp RINOs is what you are saying. Only the one person who could actually drain their fetid swamp is worth the effort.

    I think you got your wish, but you only won the booby prize of an illegitimate and corrupt dementia patient. So good luck with that. What goes around, comes around. The righteous fury against this loser establishment will still be in full effect in 2022 and 2024.
  19. The parasite slowly squeezes it host to death.

    If it successful the parasite kills itself in the process killing the host it considers so deplorable.

  20. You’re overthinking this.

    Things have actually become pretty simple.

  21. @Anon
    https://twitter.com/RokoMijicUK/status/1324502524099964928

    https://twitter.com/RokoMijicUK/status/1324503487179378695

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    Now, have the courage of your convictions and conclude that blacks should not be allowed to vote.

    • Replies: @JR.Ewing.78
    @Colin Wright


    Now, have the courage of your convictions and conclude that blacks should not be allowed to vote.
     
    Frankly, there are a lot of "bedrock" assumptions about America that should be reevaluated or, absent a willingness to do that, the white minority needs to just sit back and wait for its inevitable future like Calguès.

    If the constitution isn't a "suicide pact", then don't treat it like one.
  22. I’m sure that there is fraud being committed against Trump. The people who engineered the fake “golden showers” dossier, wiretapped his campaign, leaked classified conversations with foreign leaders, arrested Gen. Kelly, and impeached Trump for something that Biden is actually guilty of are certainly able to manufacture a few thousand fake ballots in critical swing state precincts.

    That being said, let’s get real: Trump was never going to be able to “make American great again.” Sure, it was a great ride for four years, and it was worth every minute of it just to see Hillary suffer a raw butthurt in 2016.

    But it was all a pipe dream. The country is too far gone. No one is going to save it — certainly not an arrogant, bigmouthed self-promoter and Grade B celebrity from Queens, no matter how well-intended he may be.

    Yes, I voted for him twice, as a middle finger to the feminist/black/brown/queer/trans/bi white male hating elites. But I was never under any illusions that Trump was doing anything but kicking the can down the road a few years.

    This country is run by criminals, weirdos, foreigners, traitors, idiots and perverts. The only way for Trump to have been able to MAGA would have been to put them up against a wall — or put them in camps.

    And he was never going to do that.

    Thanks, Don, for everything you have done for us the past four years. But the sword of Damocles has been hanging over us all that entire time, and now it it going to fall.

  23. @Thomas
    There appears to be an unlimited supply of ballots to be counted by all these states still counting. The vote counts I've been seeing for Georgia have been like ">99% of all votes" all day. Yet it's always one more "drop" of ballots after another, and Trump's lead shrinking each time. So these various secretaries of state have no idea how many voters they have in their states, or how many ballots they printed up?

    Also, and it may be just that no one is updating the totals for any other race, but all these ballots for Biden sure don't seem to have any coattails. The numbers aren't rising for Democratic representatives or senators. I saw something I think from Michigan or Wisconsin that claimed that the change in votes for the senators or representatives on the ballot were 10 times as likely for the Republican candidate as the votes came in than for the Democrat. Do they just know that the Republican Establishment will accept this monkey business if it gets rid of Trump, but draw the line at their own races?

    They really have to be desperate to be pulling all of this. At least a third of the country is going to call this whole process illegitimate. I guess we're just the proles who don't matter anymore. They seem to be doubling down hard on the censorship/deplatforming. Steve Bannon's podcast got banned from YouTube and Twitter simultaneously today. They finally got around to banning my Instagram (I got banned from Facebook in January.) Any other country, and the UN would be flying in monitors.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @James Speaks, @The Last Real Calvinist

    They run the risk of having courts (many different courts in more than one state) disallowing all abseentee ballots. Reason? The equal protection clause …

  24. @Ron Unz

    We’ve been lectured for four years that Trump is not Stalin, he’s Literally Hitler. Now, though, we are also being lectured that, while of course Putin hacked the 2016 election, none of the millions who believe that Trump is Literally Hitler have interfered in the 2020 election.

    If they haven’t, why didn’t they? Do they not believe their own rhetoric? Were they unwilling to risk arrest? Are the systems so bulletproof that not even the best minds of The Resistance can penetrate them?
     
    That's really a pretty amusing point...

    Someone should put the top Democrats on the spot and demand to know why they weren't willing to engage in massive voter fraud to save American from "the new Hitler"...

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @TWS, @Rob McX, @Dieter Kief

    Checkmate, Sailer.

    The merry cynicism, and ability to laugh in the face of this nihilism, is a tonic to me. Thank you, Steve and Ron.

  25. @Wilkey
    As of now we may be on track for the most closely balanced government in our nation's history. Biden will probably win - but just barely, and by the slimmest of margins in a few states. If Trump wins Pennsylvania and Georgia but loses in Arizona and Nevada the Electoral College will go 271-267.

    Republicans will probably hold the Senate - but just barely.

    Democrats will win the House, but just barely - right now it's looking about 221-214. There is some small but unlikely chance Republicans could actually win control of the House.

    Of course the Supreme Court is technically Republican, 6-3. But that depends on John Roberts mood and assumes that Justice Barrett won't move left (probably not, but who knows?)

    Replies: @Lot, @The Last Real Calvinist

    “ If Trump wins Pennsylvania and Georgia but loses in Arizona and Nevada the Electoral College will go 271-267.”

    If that happens, I’d say lets try the Mark Levin “coup” option of having a GOP state legislature simply ignore the corrupt counts from the Dem cities and appoint their own slate of electors.

    Details:

    https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-state-legislatures-rectify-election-fraud

    Eric Trump has already endorses this BTW.

    The dem govs or secretaries of state may protest or send their own competing slate, which gets resolved by the US Supreme Court.

    The problem is it looks like the official count will have Biden sweeping ALL of the close states that are still counting: MI PA WI GA NV AZ.

    The coup option is pretty bold if the pre-coup EC count is virtually tied.

    But a Biden win of 8 million popular votes plus 100 EVs is another story, and that is what it appears is happening. And you need 3+ legislatures to go along, not just one.

  26. @Philip Owen
    Bigly bigly fat loser turtle falls into his own private swamp.

    Who will actually have the task of evicting him from the White House if he doesn't go? The Marines? The Secret Service, mental health nurses with a strait jacket? Or does President Pence start his 75 days tomorrow?

    Replies: @Anon, @Bragadocious, @Che Blutarsky

    Maybe you Brits can send in the SAS, thereby completing the circle started by your spook Chris Steele. But, knowing the SAS, they’d be surrounded by mace-carrying Antifa and drop all their weapons.

    • Disagree: Gordo
    • Replies: @revolver80
    @Bragadocious

    You're getting the SAS mixed up with your star-spangled heroes, Delta Force and U.S. Navy SEALS. The Delta's couldn't execute a simple refueling evolution in the Iranian desert, beat off roving packs of skinnies in Mogadishu armed with Chinese knock-off AK's, or for that matter defeat Afghan sheepherder's armed with a few Sovi- era artillery shells, det cord and WW1 dated Lee-Enfields. American Navy SEALS crashed a multimillion-dollar "Stealth" helo in their daring operation to gun down an ailing, seventy-year-old man who was roused out of bed in the middle of the night and armed with nothing but his undershirt. So, to employ an Americanism, STFU with your keyboard bad-ass ignorance.

    Replies: @Bragadocious

  27. @Philip Owen
    Bigly bigly fat loser turtle falls into his own private swamp.

    Who will actually have the task of evicting him from the White House if he doesn't go? The Marines? The Secret Service, mental health nurses with a strait jacket? Or does President Pence start his 75 days tomorrow?

    Replies: @Anon, @Bragadocious, @Che Blutarsky

    I’m sure Willie Brown’s dumpster will be able to entice him out.

    A question, were you going the full Toobin when you were typing that out? Your excitement leapt off the page.

  28. @JohnnyWalker123
    The Jewish-Black coup continues.

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1324525943285817345

    Replies: @Lazlo

    What a load…

    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    @Lazlo

    Why put up a Tweet of a Post It note?

  29. @Thomas
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Some of these states have provisions for recounts. Some will recount automatically with the vote within a certain margin. And the courts are involved, though it's hard to say right now what they'll do. Last ditch possibilities include state legislatures refusing to certify results or the election getting thrown to the House of Representatives (in which each state delegation would get one vote).

    Hate to say it though, but I think you might be right nonetheless despite the possibility of these other avenues. I don't think Gore ever recovered in 2000 from the early narrative being set that he'd lost. Trump looks and sounds tired and defeated. I'm not sure what he's hearing privately or how he's spent the past 48 hours, but he doesn't look optimistic.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Cato

    Even if it’s a lost cause, Trump has to press on to highlight the “irregularities” in the count, and in so doing delegitimize the next whoever else wins (Joe or the rhymes with Joe).

    As for the election counts, I haven’t seen anything this choreographed since the Lee Oswald prison transfer.

  30. @Wilkey
    As of now we may be on track for the most closely balanced government in our nation's history. Biden will probably win - but just barely, and by the slimmest of margins in a few states. If Trump wins Pennsylvania and Georgia but loses in Arizona and Nevada the Electoral College will go 271-267.

    Republicans will probably hold the Senate - but just barely.

    Democrats will win the House, but just barely - right now it's looking about 221-214. There is some small but unlikely chance Republicans could actually win control of the House.

    Of course the Supreme Court is technically Republican, 6-3. But that depends on John Roberts mood and assumes that Justice Barrett won't move left (probably not, but who knows?)

    Replies: @Lot, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Republicans will probably hold the Senate – but just barely.

    Just wait until January. Both Georgia Senate races are going to go to runoffs, and it’s going to be balls-to-the-wall by the GA Democratic fraud machine to try to get their candidates over the top. If the Dems could get a 50-50 tie, the next two years will look very, very different.

    And although Thom Tillis’s margin in the NC Senate race looks pretty safe, I’m also not convinced the Dems will give up even on that election once they finally decide to start counting the rest of that state’s ballots, which seems to be whenever they’ve decided they’ve had enough time to aggregate enough of the ‘late mail-in’ ballots that are no doubt being ‘discovered’ even as we speak.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I doubt they will be able to unseat Perdue. He is barely under 50 percent and if you add the Libertarian candidate to his totals he’d be at 52 percent (the 2nd choice for a libertarian voter is rarely a Democrat).

    Replies: @Polynikes

  31. I’ve been operating under the presumption that Trump isn’t who his base thinks he is, that he is a Manchurian candidate, not for the Russians but the globalists, and that we’re all immersed in a gigantic slowly evolving psyops going back to at least WW II if not WW I.

    Trump/Q fanatics keep saying he’s playing 4 dimensional chess, but the way in which he refused to play hardball with the Russia Gate/ Steele dossier crowd, has refused to protect Julian Assange and Wikileaks, and then allowed big tech to plow under the meme war Pepe/Maga internet with hardly a counter attack, all suggest to me that he has no interest in winning this time.

    The way the Hunter laptop drop was played even seemed designed to cause limited damage.. Same with the Epstein affair – that’s been allowed to go dark, and will probably be settled in a way that lets almost everyone not already under charges totally off the hook.

    That he is letting the Dems and Republican never Trump establishment transparently steal this election is just the last blow. He should have been prepared for this. He let them do this, and is letting them get away with it.

    This means that there is much more going on behind the scenes. They’ve threatened or bought him off somehow, he’s going to go docilely, because the consequences otherwise are probably too great.

    The laptop will be used to remove Biden and place Kamala in power, probably. That, along with all the other provocations against Trump’s base, along with the ongoing COVID lock downs and other financial problems that they are precipitating are likely meant to stir up civil unrest and violence on the part of the deplorables, to legitimize moves against them in propaganda terms so that they can be economically and politically crushed.

    The establishment neo con Republicans – other than a few outliers like DeSantis, and maybe Abbott, whose loyalty probably kept them from messing with the Florida and Texas vote – are all arrayed against him. The way Drudge and most of the Fox roster has moved against him is proof of that. It’s the revenge of the establishment. Crucial elements of the RNC are in league with the Dems, which explains how the down ballot races went so solidly Republican – the deal is that the Repubs keep the Senate and their other gains in exchange for sacrificing Trump. If the Dems went to war with the RNC, they would have been forced into defending Trump, but they’ve struck a deal, and so Trump is done.

    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @Gabe Ruth
    @fitzhamilton

    I've thought about Trump being a literal Emmanuel Goldstein for some time, mostly due to the degree to which the media is full time TDS. Of course they can't all know it, but it only takes a few to egg the herd into a frenzy.

    Even if they won far and square, it would be to the globalists' advantage to make things look as suspicious as possible. Republicans are world class grumblers, but they're not going to riot, and even if they did they'd be violating laws that still apply to them so they'd all be in jail soon enough. Might see a few Sky King types or some grandiose manifestos discovered by thr FBI before they take action, but nothing like BLM. Meanwhile, they get to claim all their talk about Trump not accepting that he lost was justified, even prescient.

    Yes, this country is lost. The will be no more meaningful competition at the national level. Only way forward is falling back to a defensible position and start getting ready to defend it.

  32. @Thomas
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Some of these states have provisions for recounts. Some will recount automatically with the vote within a certain margin. And the courts are involved, though it's hard to say right now what they'll do. Last ditch possibilities include state legislatures refusing to certify results or the election getting thrown to the House of Representatives (in which each state delegation would get one vote).

    Hate to say it though, but I think you might be right nonetheless despite the possibility of these other avenues. I don't think Gore ever recovered in 2000 from the early narrative being set that he'd lost. Trump looks and sounds tired and defeated. I'm not sure what he's hearing privately or how he's spent the past 48 hours, but he doesn't look optimistic.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Cato

    Trump’s margin in GA is now down to 2500 votes, i.e. a statistical tie. Given what was going on in Atlanta, I’ll bet on a few thousand Biden votes coming to light sooner rather than later.

    PA still seems to have a substantial reserve of ‘expected’ votes to count. Trump is only up 40K, and the margin is closing fast. That one is essentially hopeless; Trump holds on only through divine intervention.

  33. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Wilkey


    Republicans will probably hold the Senate – but just barely.

     

    Just wait until January. Both Georgia Senate races are going to go to runoffs, and it's going to be balls-to-the-wall by the GA Democratic fraud machine to try to get their candidates over the top. If the Dems could get a 50-50 tie, the next two years will look very, very different.

    And although Thom Tillis's margin in the NC Senate race looks pretty safe, I'm also not convinced the Dems will give up even on that election once they finally decide to start counting the rest of that state's ballots, which seems to be whenever they've decided they've had enough time to aggregate enough of the 'late mail-in' ballots that are no doubt being 'discovered' even as we speak.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

    I doubt they will be able to unseat Perdue. He is barely under 50 percent and if you add the Libertarian candidate to his totals he’d be at 52 percent (the 2nd choice for a libertarian voter is rarely a Democrat).

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    If republicans lay down for ballot stuffing once, why not try it again?

  34. I had no idea election fraud was so common or so easy in the US. Trump should have been taking steps to prevent this from the moment he was elected four years ago, or at least to make it more difficult.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX


    Trump should have been taking steps to prevent this from the moment he was elected four years ago, or at least to make it more difficult.
     
    It is the job of the states to do this. Congress can refuse to seat illegitimately elected members, and reject electoral states as they did in the 1860s and 1870s.

    What does the President have to do with this, other than the "bully pulpit"?

    We just need a lot more Trumps in a lot more offices.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    , @anon
    @Rob McX

    Our elections are essentially honor system. And any attempts to tighten that up is immediately shot down as disenfranchising blacks.

    Replies: @Nico

    , @Philip Owen
    @Rob McX

    Trump was taking steps to suppress postal voting months ago. He started to defund the Postal Service. Republican Governors refused to allow postal votes to be counted (and checked in advance). Discrediting and thus suppressing the postal vote by pushing it against the various state deadlines was always part of Trump's strategy.

    Replies: @Libre

    , @Libre
    @Rob McX

    Yes I'm sure he can pencil that in between implementing his agenda, wrangling the rnc, fighting with the deep state, defending investigations and impeachment, etc.

  35. @Ron Unz

    We’ve been lectured for four years that Trump is not Stalin, he’s Literally Hitler. Now, though, we are also being lectured that, while of course Putin hacked the 2016 election, none of the millions who believe that Trump is Literally Hitler have interfered in the 2020 election.

    If they haven’t, why didn’t they? Do they not believe their own rhetoric? Were they unwilling to risk arrest? Are the systems so bulletproof that not even the best minds of The Resistance can penetrate them?
     
    That's really a pretty amusing point...

    Someone should put the top Democrats on the spot and demand to know why they weren't willing to engage in massive voter fraud to save American from "the new Hitler"...

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @TWS, @Rob McX, @Dieter Kief

    I would agree with you, but I only get so many.

    • Agree: Libre
  36. @Pat Hannagan
    What's also a mystery is why QAnon didn't predict the election would be stolen.

    Just as the polls and pollsters are being widely decried does this monumental miss spell the death of QAnon as well?

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @Pericles

    I’m wrong, there was a QAnon voter fraud prediction!

    A QAnon election conspiracy theory about ballot fraud is going viral on TikTok 05/11/2020

    The claim being peddled is that President Donald Trump (with the help of the Department of Homeland Security) has set up Democrats to be caught committing voter fraud by secretly watermarking all official ballots so that when Democrats allegedly produce fake ballots to “steal” the election, they won’t be counted. Users are framing this supposed move as a “military sting operation” and claiming Democrats will be arrested once the plan unfolds.

    The conspiracy theory originated from a Q drop posted in February 2018 that said “watch the water.” “Q drops” are messages the central figure of the QAnon conspiracy theory, known as “Q,” posts on an internet message board for followers.

    This will be a game changer!

    As Vox Day says, “trust the plan”.

  37. How this coup attempt unfolds in the coming days will be historically crucial. This is the perfect culmination to 4 years of delegitimisation and structural oppositionism by the “Cathedral”.

    They hate Trump because he’s an avatar for the America they’re trying to root out. Doing what you want and speaking your mind; crass wealth; self confidence to the point of arrogance; these are defining American characteristics. They can’t tolerate the fact that Trump tapped into the mass psyche of a people who were supposed to die off quickly and with a minimum of fuss.

    This is it, America. Will the living people of the United States, the most materially successful civilisation in history, be replaced with fungible globohomo consumerbots? Like him or not, but this is your last chance to prevent America’s Untergang as a relatively democratic relatively constitutional republic.

    Good night and good luck.

    • Replies: @Hugo Silva
    @Richard S

    Yes, they will be replaced. It is the natural consequence of the economical and polítical system they established.

  38. I see what you’re trying to do here Sailer and it won’t work..

    You expect me to believe that American negroes have tampered with our election. Where your scapegoating scheme fails however is that we ALL know that American negroes are the most honest, hardworking, and patriotic of Americans. And frankly, after all they’ve done over the past six months (not to mention everything since 1619) to prove their civic saintliness, their strong support of law and order, and exemplary stand against all manner of (especially violent) crime, it’s enough to make me wonder whether or not you’re really woke..

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  39. @Thomas
    There appears to be an unlimited supply of ballots to be counted by all these states still counting. The vote counts I've been seeing for Georgia have been like ">99% of all votes" all day. Yet it's always one more "drop" of ballots after another, and Trump's lead shrinking each time. So these various secretaries of state have no idea how many voters they have in their states, or how many ballots they printed up?

    Also, and it may be just that no one is updating the totals for any other race, but all these ballots for Biden sure don't seem to have any coattails. The numbers aren't rising for Democratic representatives or senators. I saw something I think from Michigan or Wisconsin that claimed that the change in votes for the senators or representatives on the ballot were 10 times as likely for the Republican candidate as the votes came in than for the Democrat. Do they just know that the Republican Establishment will accept this monkey business if it gets rid of Trump, but draw the line at their own races?

    They really have to be desperate to be pulling all of this. At least a third of the country is going to call this whole process illegitimate. I guess we're just the proles who don't matter anymore. They seem to be doubling down hard on the censorship/deplatforming. Steve Bannon's podcast got banned from YouTube and Twitter simultaneously today. They finally got around to banning my Instagram (I got banned from Facebook in January.) Any other country, and the UN would be flying in monitors.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @James Speaks, @The Last Real Calvinist

    There appears to be an unlimited supply of ballots to be counted by all these states still counting. The vote counts I’ve been seeing for Georgia have been like “>99% of all votes” all day. Yet it’s always one more “drop” of ballots after another, and Trump’s lead shrinking each time. So these various secretaries of state have no idea how many voters they have in their states, or how many ballots they printed up?

    Which source of information are you using?

    One pattern I noticed in this election is serious differences among different election reports in the percentage of ‘expected’ vote counted. For example, on election night I was paying quite close attention to the GA race on Decision Desk Headquarters, the NYT, and the Guardian, which was using AP numbers.

    At one point I noted that DDHQ was reporting 4.7m votes counted in GA, and stated that that comprised >99% of the total votes cast.

    At the same time, the AP (as reported in the Guardian) was reporting just a few thousand fewer votes having been counted, but they said that was only 94% of the total votes cast.

    The NYT’s number of votes counted was also just about the same, but they said that was only 92% of the total.

    That ‘extra’ 6-8% provides a lot of room for adding ‘newly-discovered’ blocks of votes, and also for ongoing narrative manipulation.

    I also noticed anomalies such as the counted vote for PA as reported by the NYT staying at 64% of the ‘total’ for hour after hour, even as tens of thousands of votes were coming in and Trump was maintaining his big lead.

    • Thanks: ic1000
  40. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Mystery or not, I'm afraid it's going to be over soon.

    The vote counts in PA and GA are within the margin of inevitability now, and I suspect they'll soon be tipped over to Biden. The media will then try to exercise their Divine Prerogative and swiftly 'call' both states, rendering the less-promising counts going on in AZ and NV moot.

    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump's legal challenges really gaining? It's very hard to get a sense of this.

    Replies: @Jmaie, @Thomas, @Russ, @Cato, @Russ, @RichardTaylor, @JR.Ewing.78, @James Forrestal

    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump’s legal challenges really gaining? It’s very hard to get a sense of this.

    Hard to say, because it has little to no precedent. The prevailing narrative holds that once the Ass. Press and Faux call Nevada for Biden, Biden will have the required 270 electoral votes and the zeitgeist will triumphantly blow Cheeto out of the White House in favor of the ossified mummy who couldn’t draw more than a dozen people to a gathering but who nevertheless just obliterated Obama’s earth-shaking 2008 record for most votes in a U.S. presidential election (White Supremacy!!!).

    In practice, though, I don’t see why Trump couldn’t/shouldn’t draw this thing out until either July or the geriatric Biden expires from natural causes. After three years of Russia! Russia! Russia! one might fathom The Donald (especially after a little sleep) rallying to not go gentle into that good night. More power to him if he opts to do so.

    • Replies: @Poco
    @Russ

    If I were Trump, this would be a hill to die on. I would never voluntarily leave the White House. I would force them to come get me. I would arm myself and take out as many of them as I could. The time for niceties and their mealy-mouthed platitudes and horseshit about democracy and peaceful transfer of power are now blatantly revealed for the crock of shit they are. Try to rally my supporters to come to my aid and instigate the civil war we so badly need.
    Maybe I'm wrong or "immoral" but it's what I would do. Probably why I'm not a politician, I'm not moral like they are.

    , @Libre
    @Russ

    Even without fraud, it's not hard to believe that mass mailing ballots in California and new York etc combined with every app telling every idiot to go vote that the corpse would get 72 million or whatever they're saying now.

    That's what infuriates me about all the Trump sympathizers in blue states who said there's no point even when a ballot was literally mailed to them. You're costing us the national vote.

    I think after 2016, it will borderline impossible to win the national vote again. The apps will trot out their stupid obnoxious banners every 2 years, ensuring every moron votes. They learned from that and can't bear to let a republican win ever again

  41. @Ron Unz

    We’ve been lectured for four years that Trump is not Stalin, he’s Literally Hitler. Now, though, we are also being lectured that, while of course Putin hacked the 2016 election, none of the millions who believe that Trump is Literally Hitler have interfered in the 2020 election.

    If they haven’t, why didn’t they? Do they not believe their own rhetoric? Were they unwilling to risk arrest? Are the systems so bulletproof that not even the best minds of The Resistance can penetrate them?
     
    That's really a pretty amusing point...

    Someone should put the top Democrats on the spot and demand to know why they weren't willing to engage in massive voter fraud to save American from "the new Hitler"...

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @TWS, @Rob McX, @Dieter Kief

    What’s the expression – “Hitler’s willing executioners”? Those who didn’t support national socialism were accused of being passive collaborators by obeying the laws. Those engaging in voter fraud in the presidential election could argue that some future Nuremberg-type trial might find them guilty of collaboration if they hadn’t stopped Trump.

  42. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Mystery or not, I'm afraid it's going to be over soon.

    The vote counts in PA and GA are within the margin of inevitability now, and I suspect they'll soon be tipped over to Biden. The media will then try to exercise their Divine Prerogative and swiftly 'call' both states, rendering the less-promising counts going on in AZ and NV moot.

    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump's legal challenges really gaining? It's very hard to get a sense of this.

    Replies: @Jmaie, @Thomas, @Russ, @Cato, @Russ, @RichardTaylor, @JR.Ewing.78, @James Forrestal

    The legal challenges will expose isolated incidents of fraud. It’s a big country, and here and there Democrats in their enthusiasm did the wrong thing. Probably the fraud made no difference in most cases, but exposing it is likely to make a difference in the way the voter views Biden and QueMala and the Democrats in general. So it is worthwhile to pursue the legal challenges, though unfortunately the legal action will be expensive, and we will be getting more letters in our mailboxes begging for money.

    • Replies: @David Davenport
    @Cato

    Probably the fraud made no difference in most cases

    How do you know that? You DON'T know that.

  43. @AnotherDad

    It’s a mystery …
     
    Not really.

    We Deplorables--i'm capitalizing!--are such frothing hate filled, racist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic bigots--for thinking our nation and culture and traditions are perfectly legitimate and decent--that they would be entitled to send us to the gas chambers ...

    ... but they are such virtuous people that they content themselves with merely replacing us in our nation, with only occasional assault and killing on the streets, while rabidly denouncing our hate on twitter...

    ... which we don't seem to properly appreciate! ... which just proves
    that we are irredeemable hate filled deplorables who really should be to the gas chambers!

    ... but will through their benevolence merely be deplatformed, cancelled, fired, occasionally beaten and have the nation our ancestors built stolen from us.

    Love wins!

    Replies: @Whiskey, @anon

    The camps are coming. They are inevitable.

    First, the big shots are backing Biden’s “Dark Winter” campaign of shutting down the US for more than a year. Yes. A FEDERAL universal shutdown for more than a year.

    This will let Amazon and Wal Mart and a few other big players get bail out money and then use it to buy assets on the cheap. There will not be a medium or small business left and they can charge what they want for monopoly level rents. That’s the plan.

    Second, the big boys need a back up plan for Chinese labor — its getting scarcer and more expensive. They need cheap INTELLIGENT labor and the Uighur camps where apparently most Nikes are made now is the model. No one smarter and harder working that White men. Even better in a camp where work can make them free.

    Third, Wokeness. Its very clear we are on spiral of Wokeness being the latest great religious revival. Particularly women who are more religious, have a giant spiritual void where Christianity used to be. Hence the form but not content of Christian beliefs with Woke Calvinism. The Divinely predestined Saved tiny few, the vast majority Whites damned for all time. With no redemption and no forgiveness. Just damnation. You have mostly young women, White and Asian, with no experience of violence or the real world, seeking to have bloodshed appease their anguish and disgust: at themselves, their lives, their lovers.

    WN types like to deride chill and grill boomer-nats etc. But well adjusted people who are happy in their lives want first and foremost to spend time with their family and secondly with their hobby. Hocking loogies in cops faces is not something normal people get up to in any event. [Jerry Nadler’s intern got arrested for such — much of Anti-Fa are Democratic operatives and employees] Wokeness on the other hand attracts like a magnet damaged people who seek to drown the emptiness of their entire existence with rivers of blood. Moreover, there is no stopping point.

    NO STOPPING POINT AT ALL.

    Abolitionists could point to the end of slavery. Job done, salvation communally accomplished. Prohibitionists could point to the vast success of Prohibition in stopping people drinking. Job done, mission accomplished. The Woke can point to — nothing unless they eliminate once and for all the source of all evil. That which is evil beyond redemption (and there is none) and must be punished over and over again. White men. The religious impulse will not stop unless it is stopped by force, as it was before. The Restoration against the Protectorate. The end of Prohibition.

    We are seeing an alliance, big business seeking to strip mine the White middle and working class as the last asset not seized, with the religious true believers in the managerial classes who don’t get money but get spiritual thrills seeing working class people beaten down and worse. Its not like these women and various gay non-Whites are going to cease getting thrills. The Spiritual highs require ever higher and higher levels of abuse towards White men.

    [One rather odd thing is that White gays seem pretty unconvinced by wokeness. It seems too religious and Calvinist stern lecture for dudes whose entire existence is devoted to … twirliness I guess.]

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Whiskey


    Spiritual highs require ever higher and higher levels of abuse towards White men.
     
    They are very interested in the pleasure of the flesh as well.

    That's why they keep trying to normalize deeper depths of perversion.
  44. Koestler was one of those Central European intellectuals for whom one has great difficulty in finding sympathy. I think his great shock wasn’t so much that: here is a tyrannical totalitarian conspiracy dedicated to undermining the entire material basis of European civilisation; but rather that Stalin made it increasingly difficult for people of his ethnocultural background to benefit from the perquisites of Soviet Power. The real names of those Old Bosheviks shot in 1937-38 were noted and commented upon by the leadership in Berlin.

    It need hardly be said that Koestler joined the “movement” at a time when about 90% of all the Soviet peacetime “excess mortality” had already taken place.

  45. @Thomas
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Some of these states have provisions for recounts. Some will recount automatically with the vote within a certain margin. And the courts are involved, though it's hard to say right now what they'll do. Last ditch possibilities include state legislatures refusing to certify results or the election getting thrown to the House of Representatives (in which each state delegation would get one vote).

    Hate to say it though, but I think you might be right nonetheless despite the possibility of these other avenues. I don't think Gore ever recovered in 2000 from the early narrative being set that he'd lost. Trump looks and sounds tired and defeated. I'm not sure what he's hearing privately or how he's spent the past 48 hours, but he doesn't look optimistic.

    Replies: @Che Blutarsky, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Cato

    Trump looks and sounds tired and defeated.

    Trump chose to plow the sea, and he should not be surprised when he emerges on land. Everything is in the hands of God. Trump should just be grateful that he was allowed to be an instrument for a brief period.

  46. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    It’s a mystery …
     
    Not really.

    We Deplorables--i'm capitalizing!--are such frothing hate filled, racist, anti-Semitic, xenophobic bigots--for thinking our nation and culture and traditions are perfectly legitimate and decent--that they would be entitled to send us to the gas chambers ...

    ... but they are such virtuous people that they content themselves with merely replacing us in our nation, with only occasional assault and killing on the streets, while rabidly denouncing our hate on twitter...

    ... which we don't seem to properly appreciate! ... which just proves
    that we are irredeemable hate filled deplorables who really should be to the gas chambers!

    ... but will through their benevolence merely be deplatformed, cancelled, fired, occasionally beaten and have the nation our ancestors built stolen from us.

    Love wins!

    Replies: @Whiskey, @anon

    You just described the state of mind of my parents, neighbors, and co-workers. I don’t try to talk politics with them for the same reason I wouldn’t try to reason with a Scientologist or try to talk sense to the disciples at Jonestown.
    You can’t debate with people who will only think you are the Devil.

  47. We’ve been lectured for four years that Trump is not Stalin, he’s Literally Hitler. Now, though, we are also being lectured that, while of course Putin hacked the 2016 election, none of the millions who believe that Trump is Literally Hitler have interfered in the 2020 election.

    If it were not for doublethink they would have no think at all.

    A few weeks ago a rabble of leftist commenters at ABC News were telling me that assorted rioters/looters in Wisconsin were actually white supremacists/North Korean/Russian agents. The details were somewhat confused. But then, effortlessly, they claimed that if Trump showed up – ‘the people’ would be enraged and, er, riot and loot.

  48. I’m afraid we’ve crossed into what I inelegantly call “What are you going to do about it?” territory.

    It’s kind of like most people felt when the O.J. verdict came down, only that, while outrageous, was trivial by comparison.

    “Hey, you’re cheating! You can’t do that! This is….”

    Twitter and Facebook say you’re spreading disinformation which undermines the integrity of this sacred, airtight, totally legitimate process.

    Next will be mobs outside the White House demanding they drag the President out. And his lawyers will be assaulted coming and going from the legal proceedings.

    “What are you going to do about it?”

  49. @Rob McX
    I had no idea election fraud was so common or so easy in the US. Trump should have been taking steps to prevent this from the moment he was elected four years ago, or at least to make it more difficult.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon, @Philip Owen, @Libre

    Trump should have been taking steps to prevent this from the moment he was elected four years ago, or at least to make it more difficult.

    It is the job of the states to do this. Congress can refuse to seat illegitimately elected members, and reject electoral states as they did in the 1860s and 1870s.

    What does the President have to do with this, other than the “bully pulpit”?

    We just need a lot more Trumps in a lot more offices.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Reg Cæsar

    You are correct, sir. Federalism in action.

  50. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Mystery or not, I'm afraid it's going to be over soon.

    The vote counts in PA and GA are within the margin of inevitability now, and I suspect they'll soon be tipped over to Biden. The media will then try to exercise their Divine Prerogative and swiftly 'call' both states, rendering the less-promising counts going on in AZ and NV moot.

    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump's legal challenges really gaining? It's very hard to get a sense of this.

    Replies: @Jmaie, @Thomas, @Russ, @Cato, @Russ, @RichardTaylor, @JR.Ewing.78, @James Forrestal

    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump’s legal challenges really gaining? It’s very hard to get a sense of this.

    Hard to say, because it has little to no precedent. The prevailing narrative holds that once the AP and Faux call Nevada for Biden, Biden will have the required 270 electoral votes and the zeitgeist will triumphantly blow Cheeto out of the White House in favor of the ossified mummy who couldn’t draw more than a dozen people to a gathering but who nevertheless just obliterated Obama’s earth-shaking 2008 record for most votes in a U.S. presidential election (White Supremacy!!!).

    In practice, though, I don’t see why Trump couldn’t/shouldn’t draw this thing out until either July or the geriatric Biden expires from natural causes. After three years of Russia! Russia! Russia! one might fathom The Donald (especially after a little sleep) rallying to not go gentle into that good night. More power to him if he opts to do so.

  51. @Rob McX
    I had no idea election fraud was so common or so easy in the US. Trump should have been taking steps to prevent this from the moment he was elected four years ago, or at least to make it more difficult.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon, @Philip Owen, @Libre

    Our elections are essentially honor system. And any attempts to tighten that up is immediately shot down as disenfranchising blacks.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @anon

    An honor system requires an honorable population. This is why blacks were excluded from the citizenship of the initial honor-based American republic. By opposing the shift away from the honor system in terms of “excluding blacks” liberals are silently and perhaps unknowingly conceding that the lion’s share of U.S. blacks do not understand the same codes of honor.

    As the citizenry changes and more importantly as its level of honorability changes, the system needs also to change. This has not happened, to the infinite detriment of our country’s electoral integrity.

  52. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I doubt they will be able to unseat Perdue. He is barely under 50 percent and if you add the Libertarian candidate to his totals he’d be at 52 percent (the 2nd choice for a libertarian voter is rarely a Democrat).

    Replies: @Polynikes

    If republicans lay down for ballot stuffing once, why not try it again?

  53. @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX


    Trump should have been taking steps to prevent this from the moment he was elected four years ago, or at least to make it more difficult.
     
    It is the job of the states to do this. Congress can refuse to seat illegitimately elected members, and reject electoral states as they did in the 1860s and 1870s.

    What does the President have to do with this, other than the "bully pulpit"?

    We just need a lot more Trumps in a lot more offices.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    You are correct, sir. Federalism in action.

  54. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1324505584117391360

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Dieter Kief, @Pericles, @J.Ross

    Every. single. time.

  55. @Lazlo
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What a load...

    https://twitter.com/AlecMcQuade/status/1324534258770366464?s=20

    Replies: @Eric Novak

    Why put up a Tweet of a Post It note?

  56. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1324505584117391360

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Dieter Kief, @Pericles, @J.Ross

    It is necessary to remove, and arrest, the president of the United States. Tonight.

    By any means necessary. Full circle. Another mystery.

    ( cf. Bob Dylan in this terrain here: Darkness at the break of noon (…) / To understand you know too soon / There is no use in tryin’

    And if my thought-dreams could be seen
    They’d probably put my head in a guillotine
    But it’s alright, Ma, it’s life, and life only

  57. @Ron Unz

    We’ve been lectured for four years that Trump is not Stalin, he’s Literally Hitler. Now, though, we are also being lectured that, while of course Putin hacked the 2016 election, none of the millions who believe that Trump is Literally Hitler have interfered in the 2020 election.

    If they haven’t, why didn’t they? Do they not believe their own rhetoric? Were they unwilling to risk arrest? Are the systems so bulletproof that not even the best minds of The Resistance can penetrate them?
     
    That's really a pretty amusing point...

    Someone should put the top Democrats on the spot and demand to know why they weren't willing to engage in massive voter fraud to save American from "the new Hitler"...

    Replies: @John Milton’s Ghost, @TWS, @Rob McX, @Dieter Kief

    That’s really a pretty amusing point…

    If it all was a Vaudeville plot, I’d agree. But it looks more like The Crime of the Century (SuperTrump). So I’m running out of humor here. Well – not quite yet.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Dieter Kief

    Nice!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaxAZYQB44o

    Keep your chin up mate, things aren't so grim. At least the supply of beer hasn't run out.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  58. @Dieter Kief
    @Ron Unz


    That’s really a pretty amusing point…
     
    If it all was a Vaudeville plot, I'd agree. But it looks more like The Crime of the Century (SuperTrump). So I'm running out of humor here. Well - not quite yet.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    Nice!

    Keep your chin up mate, things aren’t so grim. At least the supply of beer hasn’t run out.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Pat Hannagan


    At least the supply of beer hasn’t run out.
     
    https://www.rothaus.de/erlebniswelt/brauereigasthof

    Cheers! - This is as good as it gets here in the south (Alpirsbacher is an alternative, as is Waldhaus). I'll be there tomorrow to photograph and hike - perfectly blue autumn sky is the forecast! - I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad!

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

  59. @Cato
    In the subReddit for my city, panicky fem-sounding people (you can't reliably identify gender anymore on Reddit) were venting about the possibility of "voter intimidation", by Trumpsters, against the angels who intended to vote for Biden. Thing is, the city is over 50 percent Black, and the Whites who have stuck around are mostly ultra-liberal. Somewhere, in the background, someone has instructed these fem-sounding people to saturate social media with their faux fear, even where (especially where?) it wouldn't make any sense to worry. My guess is that this is one of the many red herrings cast by the people who are playing dirty tricks with this election. The dirty tricks are easiest to execute in cities like my own; a preliminary psyops would be to cloud everyone's expectations that the other side was planning something nefarious.

    Replies: @Gordo

    The dirty tricks are easiest to execute in cities like my own; a preliminary psyops would be to cloud everyone’s expectations that the other side was planning something nefarious.

    SJWs always project, whether its touching up kids or vote rigging.

    • Agree: Libre
  60. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Mystery or not, I'm afraid it's going to be over soon.

    The vote counts in PA and GA are within the margin of inevitability now, and I suspect they'll soon be tipped over to Biden. The media will then try to exercise their Divine Prerogative and swiftly 'call' both states, rendering the less-promising counts going on in AZ and NV moot.

    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump's legal challenges really gaining? It's very hard to get a sense of this.

    Replies: @Jmaie, @Thomas, @Russ, @Cato, @Russ, @RichardTaylor, @JR.Ewing.78, @James Forrestal

    The problem is, if they manage to fake a Biden win, not only will he have a big credibility problem, so will a lot of institutions that people have more or less believed in.

    I don’t sense that the right will just “accept their loss, go back to work and be nice” the way they have in the past. Not that they will storm any buildings. But it may bring a sea change in attitudes.

    Someone said, a crucial need of a functioning democracy is that everyone agrees on election outcomes!

    The Left may have overplayed their hand this time.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @RichardTaylor


    The Left may have overplayed their hand this time.
     
    I totally agree. In the short term, censorship, MSM lies, covid fear porn, and a bit of old fashioned voter fraud may have carried the day for them.

    But our liberal elites are in for a reckoning of anger and distrust that they haven't even conceived of yet.

    Unfortunately, they have also discovered that harvested mail votes from their low motivation voters is their new secret weapon. So this will have to be countered one way or the other.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  61. Anon[103] • Disclaimer says:

    It ticked me off when Trump set up a voter fraud committee and then just shuttered it without their doing anything.

    Random statistical sampling of ballots, with shoeleather investigation of the resulting pared-down numbers of fishy votes, will give you a really accurate idea of what the size of the problem is. Why can’t this be done? Why isn’t is built into the election system as a regular audit process?

    You could also adapt random sampling to determing once and for all if voter identification is voter suppression, or voter fraud prevention. Are there really people who are being depriived of their vote? Why? Who? How many?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Right, it's kind of like in 2008, when the world's richest financial institutions said, you know, it turned out that lending zillions to Mexicans in Palmdale turned out to be a bad idea, but how could we have possibly known? We would have had to, you know, look into the situation, crunch numbers, maybe send people to knock on doors and ask questions.

    Replies: @James Forrestal

  62. @Anon
    It ticked me off when Trump set up a voter fraud committee and then just shuttered it without their doing anything.

    Random statistical sampling of ballots, with shoeleather investigation of the resulting pared-down numbers of fishy votes, will give you a really accurate idea of what the size of the problem is. Why can't this be done? Why isn't is built into the election system as a regular audit process?

    You could also adapt random sampling to determing once and for all if voter identification is voter suppression, or voter fraud prevention. Are there really people who are being depriived of their vote? Why? Who? How many?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Right, it’s kind of like in 2008, when the world’s richest financial institutions said, you know, it turned out that lending zillions to Mexicans in Palmdale turned out to be a bad idea, but how could we have possibly known? We would have had to, you know, look into the situation, crunch numbers, maybe send people to knock on doors and ask questions.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @Steve Sailer


    Right, it’s kind of like in 2008, when the world’s richest financial institutions said, you know, it turned out that lending zillions to Mexicans in Palmdale turned out to be a bad idea, but how could we have possibly known?
     
    Not just lending to poor credit risks -- the whole concept of negative amortization mortgages is an obvious recipe for disaster.

    But if you're Goldman Sachs, you can tell your clients that mortgage-backed securities based on lending zillions to Mexicans in Palmdale are an AAA-rated, awesome investment, and sell $40 billion worth of them -- how could they possibly have known otherwise? Meanwhile, when it came time to secretly bet against those same CDOs via credit default swaps* with AIG and others on their own behalf, they certainly seem to know. Some very... tactical forgetfulness there.
    "Fiduciary duty? Never heard of it. All we know is where to aim the blood funnel."

    Of course, Goldman's bet against their clients was at risk when it looked like AIG was going to go under... but don't worry, when the US taxpayers bailed out AIG, they paid off AIG's creditors -- including the Vampire Squid -- at 100 cents on the dollar. Nice people, those taxpayers.

    *When you strip away the fancy math and financial terminology, a credit default swap is essentially insurance with no reserve requirement -- now that sounds like a smart idea. Oh well, at least we can't blame that one on the infamous Vampire Squid... right? From Matt Taibbi's classic piece linked above:

    "AIG, a major purveyor of default swaps, approached the New York State Insurance Department in 2000 and asked whether default swaps would be regulated as insurance. At the time, the office was run by one Neil Levin, a former Goldman vice president, who decided against regulating the swaps. "

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  63. @Philip Owen
    @Thomas

    Some Republicans are sane. No sense in removing them at the same time as sending Trump to Ward 8.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Some Republicans are sane. No sense in removing them at the same time as sending Trump to Ward 8.

    There’s not enough return on investment to commit voter fraud against swamp RINOs is what you are saying. Only the one person who could actually drain their fetid swamp is worth the effort.

    I think you got your wish, but you only won the booby prize of an illegitimate and corrupt dementia patient. So good luck with that. What goes around, comes around. The righteous fury against this loser establishment will still be in full effect in 2022 and 2024.

  64. @Richard S
    How this coup attempt unfolds in the coming days will be historically crucial. This is the perfect culmination to 4 years of delegitimisation and structural oppositionism by the “Cathedral”.

    They hate Trump because he’s an avatar for the America they’re trying to root out. Doing what you want and speaking your mind; crass wealth; self confidence to the point of arrogance; these are defining American characteristics. They can’t tolerate the fact that Trump tapped into the mass psyche of a people who were supposed to die off quickly and with a minimum of fuss.

    This is it, America. Will the living people of the United States, the most materially successful civilisation in history, be replaced with fungible globohomo consumerbots? Like him or not, but this is your last chance to prevent America’s Untergang as a relatively democratic relatively constitutional republic.

    Good night and good luck.

    Replies: @Hugo Silva

    Yes, they will be replaced. It is the natural consequence of the economical and polítical system they established.

  65. @RichardTaylor
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The problem is, if they manage to fake a Biden win, not only will he have a big credibility problem, so will a lot of institutions that people have more or less believed in.

    I don't sense that the right will just "accept their loss, go back to work and be nice" the way they have in the past. Not that they will storm any buildings. But it may bring a sea change in attitudes.

    Someone said, a crucial need of a functioning democracy is that everyone agrees on election outcomes!

    The Left may have overplayed their hand this time.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    The Left may have overplayed their hand this time.

    I totally agree. In the short term, censorship, MSM lies, covid fear porn, and a bit of old fashioned voter fraud may have carried the day for them.

    But our liberal elites are in for a reckoning of anger and distrust that they haven’t even conceived of yet.

    Unfortunately, they have also discovered that harvested mail votes from their low motivation voters is their new secret weapon. So this will have to be countered one way or the other.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Hypnotoad666


    But our liberal elites are in for a reckoning of anger and distrust that they haven’t even conceived of yet.
     
    There's a lot of tough talk from the keyboard warrior crowd, that's about it so far.

    The guys I work with who I thought would be angry about the situation seem resigned to a Biden installation.
  66. @Rob McX
    I had no idea election fraud was so common or so easy in the US. Trump should have been taking steps to prevent this from the moment he was elected four years ago, or at least to make it more difficult.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon, @Philip Owen, @Libre

    Trump was taking steps to suppress postal voting months ago. He started to defund the Postal Service. Republican Governors refused to allow postal votes to be counted (and checked in advance). Discrediting and thus suppressing the postal vote by pushing it against the various state deadlines was always part of Trump’s strategy.

    • Replies: @Libre
    @Philip Owen

    Evidenceless Democrat conspiracy theory.

  67. @anon
    @Rob McX

    Our elections are essentially honor system. And any attempts to tighten that up is immediately shot down as disenfranchising blacks.

    Replies: @Nico

    An honor system requires an honorable population. This is why blacks were excluded from the citizenship of the initial honor-based American republic. By opposing the shift away from the honor system in terms of “excluding blacks” liberals are silently and perhaps unknowingly conceding that the lion’s share of U.S. blacks do not understand the same codes of honor.

    As the citizenry changes and more importantly as its level of honorability changes, the system needs also to change. This has not happened, to the infinite detriment of our country’s electoral integrity.

  68. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1324505584117391360

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Dieter Kief, @Pericles, @J.Ross

    “Go on, some of you shabbos do it. I’m waiting, hurry up!” (Keith Olbermann)

  69. @Pat Hannagan
    What's also a mystery is why QAnon didn't predict the election would be stolen.

    Just as the polls and pollsters are being widely decried does this monumental miss spell the death of QAnon as well?

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan, @Pericles

    Weren’t there enough predictions about that already? Axios seem to have published the biden-Harris playbook for instance.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Pericles

    I'm an avid watcher of Vox Day and all things Southern Baptist, Bill Hagee and Christian Zionism yet I don't recall them mentioning this voter fraud scenario.

    Vox Day himself, a huge proponent of QAnon, seems thoroughly taken aback by proceedings.

    Trust in the plan, as VD says. You'd think these mensa level geniuses would have a game plan preempting these sort of predictable midwit Irish Catholic assaults on the majesty of their democracy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYbOHXMtelU

  70. @Pat Hannagan
    @Dieter Kief

    Nice!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaxAZYQB44o

    Keep your chin up mate, things aren't so grim. At least the supply of beer hasn't run out.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    At least the supply of beer hasn’t run out.

    https://www.rothaus.de/erlebniswelt/brauereigasthof

    Cheers! – This is as good as it gets here in the south (Alpirsbacher is an alternative, as is Waldhaus). I’ll be there tomorrow to photograph and hike – perfectly blue autumn sky is the forecast! – I’m glad, I’m glad, I’m glad!

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Dieter Kief

    Wunderbar!

    If not for this ridiculous scamdemic I'd have been and back from Saxony, Munich and Austria right now.

    A trip I'd been saving for for 5 years, air fairs lost to Etihad, my yearning to see Germany again dashed, each day chewing away at my own liver like Prometheus.

    Until I can return I'll have to settle for the Mad Max museum at Silverton.

    To you, and those like you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rq_2Thm_4c

  71. @Dieter Kief
    @Pat Hannagan


    At least the supply of beer hasn’t run out.
     
    https://www.rothaus.de/erlebniswelt/brauereigasthof

    Cheers! - This is as good as it gets here in the south (Alpirsbacher is an alternative, as is Waldhaus). I'll be there tomorrow to photograph and hike - perfectly blue autumn sky is the forecast! - I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad!

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    Wunderbar!

    If not for this ridiculous scamdemic I’d have been and back from Saxony, Munich and Austria right now.

    A trip I’d been saving for for 5 years, air fairs lost to Etihad, my yearning to see Germany again dashed, each day chewing away at my own liver like Prometheus.

    Until I can return I’ll have to settle for the Mad Max museum at Silverton.

    To you, and those like you:

  72. @Pericles
    @Pat Hannagan

    Weren't there enough predictions about that already? Axios seem to have published the biden-Harris playbook for instance.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    I’m an avid watcher of Vox Day and all things Southern Baptist, Bill Hagee and Christian Zionism yet I don’t recall them mentioning this voter fraud scenario.

    Vox Day himself, a huge proponent of QAnon, seems thoroughly taken aback by proceedings.

    Trust in the plan, as VD says. You’d think these mensa level geniuses would have a game plan preempting these sort of predictable midwit Irish Catholic assaults on the majesty of their democracy.

  73. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Mystery or not, I'm afraid it's going to be over soon.

    The vote counts in PA and GA are within the margin of inevitability now, and I suspect they'll soon be tipped over to Biden. The media will then try to exercise their Divine Prerogative and swiftly 'call' both states, rendering the less-promising counts going on in AZ and NV moot.

    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump's legal challenges really gaining? It's very hard to get a sense of this.

    Replies: @Jmaie, @Thomas, @Russ, @Cato, @Russ, @RichardTaylor, @JR.Ewing.78, @James Forrestal

    I’ve been saying since Wednesday morning that it’s clear that Trump voters got scammed, but there’s also not a damn thing anyone can do about it except perhaps the legislatures and states courts in these places where the shenanigans have occurred. Rural residents in those states have every right to claim the election as stolen from them, but I don’t see how they fix it. Reynolds really tied the hands of state governments being able to control legal shenanigans in the big cities.

    But for people in other states, legally speaking, it’s an internal state issue and not a federal issue. The other states are more or less obligated to take on good faith the word of whatever the individual state governments report.

    You can pass some federal laws (or a constitutional amendment) to try and limit it next time (i.e. eliminate early voting nationwide, specify only for-cause absentee ballots), but aside from that, the only real remedy in the short term is to either kick that state out of the union or leave the union altogether yourself because you can’t trust your partner anymore. In other words, get a divorce if it’s not working out for you.

    In short, the democrats’ strategy is to say, “What are you going to do about it?” And the answer from the rest of the country is, “Not much.”

    • Replies: @Libre
    @JR.Ewing.78

    Overturning reynolds should be possible as of a few days ago. Oh and it's redistricting season to boot! The whole case was a monument of absurdity. The existence of the us Senate is clearest evidence against one man one vote, which is nowhere in the constitution. Yet another example of kritarch konstructionism. "It doesn't say that but we're going to interpret it that way"

    Who wants to be the test case?

    Alternatively, there's the new York model which has survived so far, that has the Senate biased upstate and the assembly biased downstate. That may change with this redistricting.

  74. @Colin Wright
    @Anon

    Now, have the courage of your convictions and conclude that blacks should not be allowed to vote.

    Replies: @JR.Ewing.78

    Now, have the courage of your convictions and conclude that blacks should not be allowed to vote.

    Frankly, there are a lot of “bedrock” assumptions about America that should be reevaluated or, absent a willingness to do that, the white minority needs to just sit back and wait for its inevitable future like Calguès.

    If the constitution isn’t a “suicide pact”, then don’t treat it like one.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  75. If they haven’t, why didn’t they?

    A very good point.

  76. @Bragadocious
    @Philip Owen

    Maybe you Brits can send in the SAS, thereby completing the circle started by your spook Chris Steele. But, knowing the SAS, they'd be surrounded by mace-carrying Antifa and drop all their weapons.

    Replies: @revolver80

    You’re getting the SAS mixed up with your star-spangled heroes, Delta Force and U.S. Navy SEALS. The Delta’s couldn’t execute a simple refueling evolution in the Iranian desert, beat off roving packs of skinnies in Mogadishu armed with Chinese knock-off AK’s, or for that matter defeat Afghan sheepherder’s armed with a few Sovi- era artillery shells, det cord and WW1 dated Lee-Enfields. American Navy SEALS crashed a multimillion-dollar “Stealth” helo in their daring operation to gun down an ailing, seventy-year-old man who was roused out of bed in the middle of the night and armed with nothing but his undershirt. So, to employ an Americanism, STFU with your keyboard bad-ass ignorance.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    @revolver80

    Oh look, a butthurt Cuck Islander defending the honor of his Special Cuck Force. They ran away in Libya and will run away again, because they're incompetent boobs and because the Brits are a cowardly lot.

    Fun fact: the No. 1 reason British infantry left the front lines in Ww1 was because their tummies ached.

  77. @Russ
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump’s legal challenges really gaining? It’s very hard to get a sense of this.
     
    Hard to say, because it has little to no precedent. The prevailing narrative holds that once the Ass. Press and Faux call Nevada for Biden, Biden will have the required 270 electoral votes and the zeitgeist will triumphantly blow Cheeto out of the White House in favor of the ossified mummy who couldn't draw more than a dozen people to a gathering but who nevertheless just obliterated Obama's earth-shaking 2008 record for most votes in a U.S. presidential election (White Supremacy!!!).

    In practice, though, I don't see why Trump couldn't/shouldn't draw this thing out until either July or the geriatric Biden expires from natural causes. After three years of Russia! Russia! Russia! one might fathom The Donald (especially after a little sleep) rallying to not go gentle into that good night. More power to him if he opts to do so.

    Replies: @Poco, @Libre

    If I were Trump, this would be a hill to die on. I would never voluntarily leave the White House. I would force them to come get me. I would arm myself and take out as many of them as I could. The time for niceties and their mealy-mouthed platitudes and horseshit about democracy and peaceful transfer of power are now blatantly revealed for the crock of shit they are. Try to rally my supporters to come to my aid and instigate the civil war we so badly need.
    Maybe I’m wrong or “immoral” but it’s what I would do. Probably why I’m not a politician, I’m not moral like they are.

  78. @revolver80
    @Bragadocious

    You're getting the SAS mixed up with your star-spangled heroes, Delta Force and U.S. Navy SEALS. The Delta's couldn't execute a simple refueling evolution in the Iranian desert, beat off roving packs of skinnies in Mogadishu armed with Chinese knock-off AK's, or for that matter defeat Afghan sheepherder's armed with a few Sovi- era artillery shells, det cord and WW1 dated Lee-Enfields. American Navy SEALS crashed a multimillion-dollar "Stealth" helo in their daring operation to gun down an ailing, seventy-year-old man who was roused out of bed in the middle of the night and armed with nothing but his undershirt. So, to employ an Americanism, STFU with your keyboard bad-ass ignorance.

    Replies: @Bragadocious

    Oh look, a butthurt Cuck Islander defending the honor of his Special Cuck Force. They ran away in Libya and will run away again, because they’re incompetent boobs and because the Brits are a cowardly lot.

    Fun fact: the No. 1 reason British infantry left the front lines in Ww1 was because their tummies ached.

  79. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Mystery or not, I'm afraid it's going to be over soon.

    The vote counts in PA and GA are within the margin of inevitability now, and I suspect they'll soon be tipped over to Biden. The media will then try to exercise their Divine Prerogative and swiftly 'call' both states, rendering the less-promising counts going on in AZ and NV moot.

    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump's legal challenges really gaining? It's very hard to get a sense of this.

    Replies: @Jmaie, @Thomas, @Russ, @Cato, @Russ, @RichardTaylor, @JR.Ewing.78, @James Forrestal

    The media will then try to exercise their Divine Prerogative and swiftly ‘call’ both states, rendering the less-promising counts going on in AZ and NV moot.

    Well… calling it “divine” might be a bit of a stretch. But the Constitution clearly grants the power to designate the victor in any election to corporate narrative promoters like the NYT. How do I know? The Gray Yenta herself said so:

    QED

  80. @Anonymous
    If Biden steals this then red-state America needs to stop paying taxes and throw sands in the gears.

    Replies: @Beavertales

    “If Biden steals this then red-state America needs to stop paying taxes and throw sands in the gears.”

    Business as usual is not an option, as the un-elected tyranny is going to declare war on fundamental liberties. To not fight back is to be less than human.

    Prepare, prepare, prepare. America is going to go downhill fast, as the dollar falters. They will stir up wars abroad to scare the money back to the greenback, but patriots in uniform should work-to-rule and deny them their best. The war that needs to be fought is not overseas.

  81. It all seems to me futile. In order for elections to be fair, SCOTUS should completely annul elections results in 5-8 states & order new elections in those states in, say, 1-2 weeks. Everything else is not enough.

  82. @Whiskey
    @AnotherDad

    The camps are coming. They are inevitable.

    First, the big shots are backing Biden's "Dark Winter" campaign of shutting down the US for more than a year. Yes. A FEDERAL universal shutdown for more than a year.

    This will let Amazon and Wal Mart and a few other big players get bail out money and then use it to buy assets on the cheap. There will not be a medium or small business left and they can charge what they want for monopoly level rents. That's the plan.

    Second, the big boys need a back up plan for Chinese labor -- its getting scarcer and more expensive. They need cheap INTELLIGENT labor and the Uighur camps where apparently most Nikes are made now is the model. No one smarter and harder working that White men. Even better in a camp where work can make them free.

    Third, Wokeness. Its very clear we are on spiral of Wokeness being the latest great religious revival. Particularly women who are more religious, have a giant spiritual void where Christianity used to be. Hence the form but not content of Christian beliefs with Woke Calvinism. The Divinely predestined Saved tiny few, the vast majority Whites damned for all time. With no redemption and no forgiveness. Just damnation. You have mostly young women, White and Asian, with no experience of violence or the real world, seeking to have bloodshed appease their anguish and disgust: at themselves, their lives, their lovers.

    WN types like to deride chill and grill boomer-nats etc. But well adjusted people who are happy in their lives want first and foremost to spend time with their family and secondly with their hobby. Hocking loogies in cops faces is not something normal people get up to in any event. [Jerry Nadler's intern got arrested for such -- much of Anti-Fa are Democratic operatives and employees] Wokeness on the other hand attracts like a magnet damaged people who seek to drown the emptiness of their entire existence with rivers of blood. Moreover, there is no stopping point.

    NO STOPPING POINT AT ALL.

    Abolitionists could point to the end of slavery. Job done, salvation communally accomplished. Prohibitionists could point to the vast success of Prohibition in stopping people drinking. Job done, mission accomplished. The Woke can point to -- nothing unless they eliminate once and for all the source of all evil. That which is evil beyond redemption (and there is none) and must be punished over and over again. White men. The religious impulse will not stop unless it is stopped by force, as it was before. The Restoration against the Protectorate. The end of Prohibition.

    We are seeing an alliance, big business seeking to strip mine the White middle and working class as the last asset not seized, with the religious true believers in the managerial classes who don't get money but get spiritual thrills seeing working class people beaten down and worse. Its not like these women and various gay non-Whites are going to cease getting thrills. The Spiritual highs require ever higher and higher levels of abuse towards White men.

    [One rather odd thing is that White gays seem pretty unconvinced by wokeness. It seems too religious and Calvinist stern lecture for dudes whose entire existence is devoted to ... twirliness I guess.]

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Spiritual highs require ever higher and higher levels of abuse towards White men.

    They are very interested in the pleasure of the flesh as well.

    That’s why they keep trying to normalize deeper depths of perversion.

  83. @Hypnotoad666
    @RichardTaylor


    The Left may have overplayed their hand this time.
     
    I totally agree. In the short term, censorship, MSM lies, covid fear porn, and a bit of old fashioned voter fraud may have carried the day for them.

    But our liberal elites are in for a reckoning of anger and distrust that they haven't even conceived of yet.

    Unfortunately, they have also discovered that harvested mail votes from their low motivation voters is their new secret weapon. So this will have to be countered one way or the other.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    But our liberal elites are in for a reckoning of anger and distrust that they haven’t even conceived of yet.

    There’s a lot of tough talk from the keyboard warrior crowd, that’s about it so far.

    The guys I work with who I thought would be angry about the situation seem resigned to a Biden installation.

  84. We’ve been lectured for four years that Trump is not Stalin, he’s Literally Hitler. Now, though, we are also being lectured that, while of course Putin hacked the 2016 election, none of the millions who believe that Trump is Literally Hitler have interfered in the 2020 election.

    Do they not believe their own rhetoric?

    It’s a mystery …

    Well it is rhetoric, after all — not dialectic. If it works (achieves the desired objective), it’s “true.” And posing a rhetorical question about a rhetorical tactic is… recursive rhetoric? But if we take the question literally for a moment, and delve a little more deeply into the specific reasons:

    1. Nearly-infinite tolerance for cognitive dissonance
    2. Deep conviction in the “moral rightness” of the supposedly “altruistic” nature of their motives for any action*, even one whose results will quite obviously advance their own interests. This overlaps with:
    3. Stated motives for a particular action are all that matters; unintended consequences don’t count, and acknowledging that incentives are even a thing is simply evil
    4. Belief in the primacy of narrative over reality. In this case, the hegemonic “news” media narrative clearly states that:
    – Drumpf, Putin, and The Ghost of Hitler conspired to hack the voting machines in 2016, AND

    – The idea that ANY Democrat would EVER engage in any sort of election fraud is just a “GOP conspiracy theory” that is always wrong, regardless of the evidence

    Therefore both of these beliefs are “true” (i.e. consonant with The Narrative) in the only sense that really matters.

    #2 and #4 in particular are, at least in part, due to the media/ educational complex “hacking”/ exploiting the natural instincts that allow us to form relatively high trust “moral communities” that, rather than relying on kinship relationships, utilize tactics such as “altruistic punishment” to discourage “free riders” and encourage pro-social behavior.

    See also the concepts of the “Tragedy of the commons” and “virtue signaling”.

    And (of course) Dr. Kevin MacDonald’s book Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition

    KMac responds to a critic, Gerhard Meisenberg, with some good back-and-forth. Meisenberg also does an excellent job of exemplifying yet another factor that draws midwit leftists to the currently hegemonic narrative — to accept the many internal contradictions and clearly-counterfactual assertions of this narrative, while rationalizing them in ways that incorporate the “correct” currently-reified concepts in a semi-consistent fashion, clearly requires an IQ in the (low) 3 digits:

    “MacDonald is not a particularly neutral writer. He is an intellectual leader of one of the many tribal moral communities that he describes, one that goes under the name of white identitarian. Although this tribe is outlawed in academia, it may well be the most influential moral community in adult politics today; its main attraction being that its teachings are intuitively intelligible for simple-minded white voters while those of its competitors are too contorted to appeal to non-intellectuals of any race.”

    So by asserting their loyalty to The Narrative, and attempting to defend it, shitlibs are not only signaling their “moral supremacism,” but also attempting to demonstrate their “intellectual superiority” over the hated and despised “rednecks,” “White trash,” etc. How about that…

  85. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Right, it's kind of like in 2008, when the world's richest financial institutions said, you know, it turned out that lending zillions to Mexicans in Palmdale turned out to be a bad idea, but how could we have possibly known? We would have had to, you know, look into the situation, crunch numbers, maybe send people to knock on doors and ask questions.

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    Right, it’s kind of like in 2008, when the world’s richest financial institutions said, you know, it turned out that lending zillions to Mexicans in Palmdale turned out to be a bad idea, but how could we have possibly known?

    Not just lending to poor credit risks — the whole concept of negative amortization mortgages is an obvious recipe for disaster.

    But if you’re Goldman Sachs, you can tell your clients that mortgage-backed securities based on lending zillions to Mexicans in Palmdale are an AAA-rated, awesome investment, and sell $40 billion worth of them — how could they possibly have known otherwise? Meanwhile, when it came time to secretly bet against those same CDOs via credit default swaps* with AIG and others on their own behalf, they certainly seem to know. Some very… tactical forgetfulness there.
    “Fiduciary duty? Never heard of it. All we know is where to aim the blood funnel.”

    Of course, Goldman’s bet against their clients was at risk when it looked like AIG was going to go under… but don’t worry, when the US taxpayers bailed out AIG, they paid off AIG’s creditors — including the Vampire Squid — at 100 cents on the dollar. Nice people, those taxpayers.

    *When you strip away the fancy math and financial terminology, a credit default swap is essentially insurance with no reserve requirement — now that sounds like a smart idea. Oh well, at least we can’t blame that one on the infamous Vampire Squid… right? From Matt Taibbi’s classic piece linked above:

    “AIG, a major purveyor of default swaps, approached the New York State Insurance Department in 2000 and asked whether default swaps would be regulated as insurance. At the time, the office was run by one Neil Levin, a former Goldman vice president, who decided against regulating the swaps. ”

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @James Forrestal

    Thanks for this concise summary of the 2008 ff. near-crash. The whole huge and at first look maybe deceptively complicated-looking affair - can now be written down in a few words (if the writer is capable...).

  86. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1324505584117391360

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Dieter Kief, @Pericles, @J.Ross

    Keith Olbermann is actually a halfway decent analog to Glenn Beck. He’s consistently hysterical, sometimes fired, and once explained that La Raza was not a racial thing because in Spanish the term refers to a horseshoe. But his neckties are gorgeous.

  87. @Cato
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The legal challenges will expose isolated incidents of fraud. It's a big country, and here and there Democrats in their enthusiasm did the wrong thing. Probably the fraud made no difference in most cases, but exposing it is likely to make a difference in the way the voter views Biden and QueMala and the Democrats in general. So it is worthwhile to pursue the legal challenges, though unfortunately the legal action will be expensive, and we will be getting more letters in our mailboxes begging for money.

    Replies: @David Davenport

    Probably the fraud made no difference in most cases

    How do you know that? You DON’T know that.

  88. @Anon
    @Philip Owen

    https://twitter.com/SamanthaJPower/status/1324502647861370881

    Replies: @Libre

    Leftists don’t like mugabe now?

  89. @Rob McX
    I had no idea election fraud was so common or so easy in the US. Trump should have been taking steps to prevent this from the moment he was elected four years ago, or at least to make it more difficult.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @anon, @Philip Owen, @Libre

    Yes I’m sure he can pencil that in between implementing his agenda, wrangling the rnc, fighting with the deep state, defending investigations and impeachment, etc.

  90. @Russ
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    Those of you in the USA: how much traction do you think Trump’s legal challenges really gaining? It’s very hard to get a sense of this.
     
    Hard to say, because it has little to no precedent. The prevailing narrative holds that once the Ass. Press and Faux call Nevada for Biden, Biden will have the required 270 electoral votes and the zeitgeist will triumphantly blow Cheeto out of the White House in favor of the ossified mummy who couldn't draw more than a dozen people to a gathering but who nevertheless just obliterated Obama's earth-shaking 2008 record for most votes in a U.S. presidential election (White Supremacy!!!).

    In practice, though, I don't see why Trump couldn't/shouldn't draw this thing out until either July or the geriatric Biden expires from natural causes. After three years of Russia! Russia! Russia! one might fathom The Donald (especially after a little sleep) rallying to not go gentle into that good night. More power to him if he opts to do so.

    Replies: @Poco, @Libre

    Even without fraud, it’s not hard to believe that mass mailing ballots in California and new York etc combined with every app telling every idiot to go vote that the corpse would get 72 million or whatever they’re saying now.

    That’s what infuriates me about all the Trump sympathizers in blue states who said there’s no point even when a ballot was literally mailed to them. You’re costing us the national vote.

    I think after 2016, it will borderline impossible to win the national vote again. The apps will trot out their stupid obnoxious banners every 2 years, ensuring every moron votes. They learned from that and can’t bear to let a republican win ever again

  91. @Philip Owen
    @Rob McX

    Trump was taking steps to suppress postal voting months ago. He started to defund the Postal Service. Republican Governors refused to allow postal votes to be counted (and checked in advance). Discrediting and thus suppressing the postal vote by pushing it against the various state deadlines was always part of Trump's strategy.

    Replies: @Libre

    Evidenceless Democrat conspiracy theory.

  92. @JR.Ewing.78
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I've been saying since Wednesday morning that it's clear that Trump voters got scammed, but there's also not a damn thing anyone can do about it except perhaps the legislatures and states courts in these places where the shenanigans have occurred. Rural residents in those states have every right to claim the election as stolen from them, but I don't see how they fix it. Reynolds really tied the hands of state governments being able to control legal shenanigans in the big cities.

    But for people in other states, legally speaking, it's an internal state issue and not a federal issue. The other states are more or less obligated to take on good faith the word of whatever the individual state governments report.

    You can pass some federal laws (or a constitutional amendment) to try and limit it next time (i.e. eliminate early voting nationwide, specify only for-cause absentee ballots), but aside from that, the only real remedy in the short term is to either kick that state out of the union or leave the union altogether yourself because you can't trust your partner anymore. In other words, get a divorce if it's not working out for you.

    In short, the democrats' strategy is to say, "What are you going to do about it?" And the answer from the rest of the country is, "Not much."

    Replies: @Libre

    Overturning reynolds should be possible as of a few days ago. Oh and it’s redistricting season to boot! The whole case was a monument of absurdity. The existence of the us Senate is clearest evidence against one man one vote, which is nowhere in the constitution. Yet another example of kritarch konstructionism. “It doesn’t say that but we’re going to interpret it that way”

    Who wants to be the test case?

    Alternatively, there’s the new York model which has survived so far, that has the Senate biased upstate and the assembly biased downstate. That may change with this redistricting.

  93. @James Forrestal
    @Steve Sailer


    Right, it’s kind of like in 2008, when the world’s richest financial institutions said, you know, it turned out that lending zillions to Mexicans in Palmdale turned out to be a bad idea, but how could we have possibly known?
     
    Not just lending to poor credit risks -- the whole concept of negative amortization mortgages is an obvious recipe for disaster.

    But if you're Goldman Sachs, you can tell your clients that mortgage-backed securities based on lending zillions to Mexicans in Palmdale are an AAA-rated, awesome investment, and sell $40 billion worth of them -- how could they possibly have known otherwise? Meanwhile, when it came time to secretly bet against those same CDOs via credit default swaps* with AIG and others on their own behalf, they certainly seem to know. Some very... tactical forgetfulness there.
    "Fiduciary duty? Never heard of it. All we know is where to aim the blood funnel."

    Of course, Goldman's bet against their clients was at risk when it looked like AIG was going to go under... but don't worry, when the US taxpayers bailed out AIG, they paid off AIG's creditors -- including the Vampire Squid -- at 100 cents on the dollar. Nice people, those taxpayers.

    *When you strip away the fancy math and financial terminology, a credit default swap is essentially insurance with no reserve requirement -- now that sounds like a smart idea. Oh well, at least we can't blame that one on the infamous Vampire Squid... right? From Matt Taibbi's classic piece linked above:

    "AIG, a major purveyor of default swaps, approached the New York State Insurance Department in 2000 and asked whether default swaps would be regulated as insurance. At the time, the office was run by one Neil Levin, a former Goldman vice president, who decided against regulating the swaps. "

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Thanks for this concise summary of the 2008 ff. near-crash. The whole huge and at first look maybe deceptively complicated-looking affair – can now be written down in a few words (if the writer is capable…).

  94. @fitzhamilton
    I’ve been operating under the presumption that Trump isn’t who his base thinks he is, that he is a Manchurian candidate, not for the Russians but the globalists, and that we’re all immersed in a gigantic slowly evolving psyops going back to at least WW II if not WW I.

    Trump/Q fanatics keep saying he’s playing 4 dimensional chess, but the way in which he refused to play hardball with the Russia Gate/ Steele dossier crowd, has refused to protect Julian Assange and Wikileaks, and then allowed big tech to plow under the meme war Pepe/Maga internet with hardly a counter attack, all suggest to me that he has no interest in winning this time.

    The way the Hunter laptop drop was played even seemed designed to cause limited damage.. Same with the Epstein affair - that’s been allowed to go dark, and will probably be settled in a way that lets almost everyone not already under charges totally off the hook.

    That he is letting the Dems and Republican never Trump establishment transparently steal this election is just the last blow. He should have been prepared for this. He let them do this, and is letting them get away with it.

    This means that there is much more going on behind the scenes. They’ve threatened or bought him off somehow, he’s going to go docilely, because the consequences otherwise are probably too great.

    The laptop will be used to remove Biden and place Kamala in power, probably. That, along with all the other provocations against Trump’s base, along with the ongoing COVID lock downs and other financial problems that they are precipitating are likely meant to stir up civil unrest and violence on the part of the deplorables, to legitimize moves against them in propaganda terms so that they can be economically and politically crushed.

    The establishment neo con Republicans - other than a few outliers like DeSantis, and maybe Abbott, whose loyalty probably kept them from messing with the Florida and Texas vote - are all arrayed against him. The way Drudge and most of the Fox roster has moved against him is proof of that. It’s the revenge of the establishment. Crucial elements of the RNC are in league with the Dems, which explains how the down ballot races went so solidly Republican - the deal is that the Repubs keep the Senate and their other gains in exchange for sacrificing Trump. If the Dems went to war with the RNC, they would have been forced into defending Trump, but they’ve struck a deal, and so Trump is done.

    Replies: @Gabe Ruth

    I’ve thought about Trump being a literal Emmanuel Goldstein for some time, mostly due to the degree to which the media is full time TDS. Of course they can’t all know it, but it only takes a few to egg the herd into a frenzy.

    Even if they won far and square, it would be to the globalists’ advantage to make things look as suspicious as possible. Republicans are world class grumblers, but they’re not going to riot, and even if they did they’d be violating laws that still apply to them so they’d all be in jail soon enough. Might see a few Sky King types or some grandiose manifestos discovered by thr FBI before they take action, but nothing like BLM. Meanwhile, they get to claim all their talk about Trump not accepting that he lost was justified, even prescient.

    Yes, this country is lost. The will be no more meaningful competition at the national level. Only way forward is falling back to a defensible position and start getting ready to defend it.

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