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Here is the direction the Conventional Wisdom is drifting at present: Due to centuries of White Privilege, blacks from now on should enjoy the privilege of resisting arrest if they really don’t feel like being arrested.

This is not to say that no black should ever be arrested, just that, in the ultimate analysis, black privilege is now more sacred than the law, so if a black really, really doesn’t want to submit to the cops, his feelings and his privileged person must override all other considerations, such as equal treatment of the laws.

 
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  1. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Crime is the new civil right, the new entitlement. The vast majority of blacks are pro-crime and by extension pro-criminal. The media always trots out a responsible black who’ll agonize on camera about violence and so on but that’s a minority view within the black “community”. Most blacks only have one or two degrees of separation from actual criminals, prisoners, etc. They want a safe space around illegal behavior and have a lot of deluded white lefties who’ll support them in this.

  2. https://slate.com/business/2020/05/targets-long-history-with-minneapolis-police.html

    It begins…they’re starting to churn out hit pieces against private businesses in order to justify vandalism and looting. This Slate article blames Target for funding the construction of security cameras throughout Minneapolis to clear out vagrants from the streets— ergo Target deserves to get looted.

    Target tried the tranny bathroom trick and all it got to show for it was its stores ransacked. Woke capital’s “I feel your pain” schtick is never nimble enough to keep up with the trustafarian propagandists or the lean and mean youth in the street with a brick in his hand.

  3. Steve, this excellent thread by Zach Goldberg might be worth a post:

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Dave Pinsen

    Crossing between subway cars while white?
    He had it coming to him.

    Riding the subway while white?
    Well, you can see where this is going...

    , @Pop Warner
    @Dave Pinsen

    He probably smirked at the officers. That's an act of violence in their heads

    , @TheMassageIsTheMedium
    @Dave Pinsen

    Every white man in America needs to be cognizant of the fact that he too can be murdered by police, unlike what the lying media say. Never make sudden movements, reach towards your waist, or move quickly towards an officer.

  4. Question for readers: Is it possible to say “I can’t breathe” when you can’t breathe?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Richard of Melbourne


    Question for readers: Is it possible to say “I can’t breathe” when you can’t breathe?
     
    No. But you also have to ask to breath before they will let you breathe. Catch-22.
    , @Elli
    @Richard of Melbourne

    People can have difficulty breathing or oxygen deprivation and still say, "I can't breathe." "I can't breathe," is what people say when they are suffering from heart attacks, asthma, anaphylaxis, pneumonia, pulmonary edema, chest trauma, shock. Literalism is silly and heartless.

    "I can't breathe," is also what people having panic attacks say, or people trying to gain sympathy. They tend to be more voluble about it, but I've had a patient chattering away with a critical COPD exacerbation.

    , @gabriel alberton
    @Richard of Melbourne

    If don't think so. Regarding this particular case, what Mr. Floyd might have meant was that he had trouble breathing, given he had his head and neck pressed against the ground by the officer as he said it. Not long after that, although precisely how long is important (as is how long the officer kept him in that position), Floyd was dead. So it is very reasonable he was actually having trouble breathing then.

    , @Sam Malone
    @Richard of Melbourne

    We could try it out on you.

  5. I think everyone can agree that the amount of force used on George Floyd was completely unacceptable, it is not as if the officer kneeling on him was even the only officer on the scene, to do that with 3 other officers present is just insane tbh. Coming from Britain i can say that such scenes of police brutality are almost unheard of, and that with our capital and several other major cities having large black populations, officers in Britain are trained to use caution when arresting suspects as are i believe officers in France and Spain where criminals are much more likely to have guns. Police brutality just does not affect black people in America(though the media will have you believe they are the main group to suffer from it) it affects pretty much anyone who comes into contact with aggressive minded officers.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Oliver Elkington


    I think everyone can agree that the amount of force used on George Floyd was completely unacceptable
     
    I was waiting for the "but" to come but in never did.

    Coming from Britain, you cannot fathom what the massive black ghettos we have in America are like or what it takes to police them day in and day out.

    Cops are people too. They aren't law enforcement robots.

    They deal with the most depraved sociopathy, day in and day out. Poor dead George Floyd was very likely one such sociopath. Cops learn not to trust, put up with, or give them any quarter after some time.

    In other words, Blacks need to take responsibility for the insane amount of abuse their unapologetic third world violent and other crime rates takes on men who, if only policing their own, wouldn't even need to carry guns 99% of the time. The mechanism is pure Pavlov.

    Policing Blacks anywhere in the West is a massive and continuing generosity of untold numbers of lives just so that they can minimally get by without destroying themselves and pretend to be integrated. I'm lost as to what the payoff is.

    Replies: @Anon, @TheMassageIsTheMedium

    , @trelane
    @Oliver Elkington

    Mr. Floyd was a lifelong sociopath. Should sociopaths get equal rights?

    "Hello this is a direct call from Mr. Floyd from Mr. Floyd will you accept the charges from the United States?"
    "he keeps hanging up"

    https://youtu.be/YiVPC8QHsQM?t=171

    Replies: @Oliver Elkington

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Oliver Elkington


    I think everyone can agree that the amount of force used on George Floyd was completely unacceptable,
     
    I am deliberately not following this story, because I am not interested in it and I hate getting caught up in things like this. But from what I've inadvertantly seen, I don't understand how anybody could side with the cops in good conscience. Of course, the rioting is unacceptable as well. The whole thing is just a hot mess.
  6. @Dave Pinsen
    Steve, this excellent thread by Zach Goldberg might be worth a post:

    https://twitter.com/ZachG932/status/1266474645923999744?s=20

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Pop Warner, @TheMassageIsTheMedium

    Crossing between subway cars while white?
    He had it coming to him.

    Riding the subway while white?
    Well, you can see where this is going…

  7. This black tweeter mooted segregation ironically to make a point, but one advantage of segregation (as awful morally as we all know it is) is that it would allow different communities to be policed in different ways. A black city could decide to only hire black cops, and have them look the other way at stuff like selling loose cigarettes. That would reduce arrests, incidents of resisting arrest, and the deaths that sometimes result from police overreactions to that.

    • Replies: @Stealth
    @Dave Pinsen

    I've read - and I don't remember where - that black cops don't want to be stuck patrolling black neighborhoods. Like most of the other cops, they want to be in safer, nicer places.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Dave Pinsen


    A black city could decide to only hire black cops, and have them look the other way at stuff like selling loose cigarettes. That would reduce arrests, incidents of resisting arrest, and the deaths that sometimes result from police overreactions to that.
     
    The problem with that idea is that Negro police officers have far higher rates of inappropriate behavior, corruption and violence than their White counterparts. Just like Negro run cities are far more corrupt and dysfunctional than White run cities, so police departments with large numbers of Negro officers and/or Negro command staff are far more corrupt and abusive of the citizenry than other departments. This is a carefully kept secret among experts in the field. Even hinting at it can destroy your career. But anyone who doubts this should start compiling reports of police misbehavior and tabulating them by the race of involved officers. It's as obvious as who is really murdering Negroes in this country.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Rouetheday

    , @AnotherDad
    @Dave Pinsen


    This black tweeter mooted segregation ironically to make a point, but one advantage of segregation (as awful morally as we all know it is) is that it would allow different communities to be policed in different ways. A black city could decide to only hire black cops, and have them look the other way at stuff like selling loose cigarettes. That would reduce arrests, incidents of resisting arrest, and the deaths that sometimes result from police overreactions to that.

    Serious point: anyone saying that Black people have a MORAL right to loot is arguing for segregation. No sane person, except a clinical masochist, would accept a neighbor who could burn their house down at will. These cute-sounding woke ideas would mean total collapse if adopted.

    — Wilfred Reilly (@wil_da_beast630) May 29, 2020
     

     
    Thanks Dave. I made this point to my dad and my uncle when visiting Iowa for the harvest back in 2014. If it's so offensive for a black guy like Michael Brown to get some policing--"move out of the street"--from a white cop, that it sets him off, then segregation is the logical requirement.

    Black communities can have whatever black norms they like and black cops to enforce them.

    White communities can have whatever white norms they like and white cops to enforce them.

    But there's no way you can manage an integrated community where there's some subsection of the population that doesn't have to observe the community's norms and is allowed to get enraged whenever the police show up to enforce them.

    ~~

    The same at broader scale for nations:

    You can have an actual nation of a particular people and culture--history, language, religion, traditions, holidays, values, norms--and everyone basically assimilates to that or at least assents to it for public behavior.

    Or you have an empire, where there are a bunch of separate groups with their own culture, values, norms for their own space. Physical separation the key. (The Ottoman Empire a good example here with Muslims, Greeks, Armenians, Jews, etc. each operating in their own silo--"millet". With the Muslims dominant in any cross group interaction. But the core principle was "do not cause trouble with other groups". I was not, could not be, any sort of republic or free nation.)

    But what you simply can not have--does not logically work--is this minoritarianism imposed here--every minority is special, actually encouraged not to assimilate but to keep its own culture and behavior, and the majority barred from any action that imposes their (i.e. common) norms. Actually worse than "barred", but the majority actively browbeaten for being simply being the majority (or even former majority). This logically A) is incompatible with being a republic and
    B) generates endless conflict. It is openly incoherent, and a recipe for an elite managed police state.
  8. 216 says:

    What’s hurting our cause is actually the lack of leftist violence.*

    During any BLM riot, no cops to my knowledge were actually killed. Apparently there was a rape yesterday, and a pawn shop owner killed a looter the day before that. But at no point has the mob actually lynched anyone a la LA ’92.

    The BLM killings of cops in ’16 were memory holed, and neither occurred amidst a riot.

    Leftists are disciplined.

    *Anything that isn’t homicide, isn’t violence to a leftist when directed at us.

  9. If you are rich you can move to Hawaii and live decently, no popolos here. If you are poor or middle class you can move to the Ozarks or Utah, no blacks. Fred’s Mexico is looking better and better for the middle class and below, Freds right, Mexican culture is better than black culture

    If blacks are above the law then you have to not live around blacks, the US is a big place, but huge chunks are off limits now.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Haole

    Not having to live around blacks has been the essence of the American definition of personal success since the 1960s. Even for blacks.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Haole

    The Ozarks suck. Appalachia is much nicer and comparable in terms of demographics.

    Utah is nice. Actually, the panhandle of Florida is quite nice, though it’s getting crowded and there aren’t many jobs outside of healthcare/tourism.

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @Haole

    Avoiding them is the only realistic option. Anything contentious, and someone becomes a sacrificial lamb like the cop. At some point, one of the planks of the Dem platform will be "The ability of a POC to commit crime without being harassed is the civil rights issue of our time".

  10. Some monkey wrench type should organize BLM to loot and burn Malibu.

    • Agree: Neoconned
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Whiskey

    They are stupid.

    They are not that stupid.

    , @Kronos
    @Whiskey

    If only...

    https://youtu.be/h0iAcQVIokg

    It’s been the best observation on this site (for years) BLM is merely a proxy for one oligarch or another. They’re not very likely to bite the hand that feeds them grant money and political support.

    I’m trying to find the gentrification George Soros angle for starting a BLM riot in Minneapolis. The riots and looting are occurring in the city right? not in a slightly distant suburb like Ferguson?

    Replies: @216

  11. It’s been interesting watching the FB threads where my most liberal FB friends hang out. They’re generally female, from my general neck of the woods in the upper Midwest, college grads, middle class, and middle-aged.

    Although only a couple of them actually live in Minneapolis, they’re all playing SJW with home-court confidence.

    In short, they are going absolutely crazy on this one: BLM links, posts about weeping, loving shout-outs to black people everywhere, and lots of demands for ‘privilege-checking’ from anyone who raises even the mildest questions about the need for and benefits of rioting, looting, etc.

    I’m not sure simple double standards are enough to satisfy them at this point. They are in full Substitute Savior mode, and they want more.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Stealth
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I've seen a similar effect. These riots aren't causing liberals to question their beliefs. Quite the opposite, as a matter of fact. The next few years should be really interesting.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Whiskey
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    White Women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.

    , @RichardTaylor
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    They’re generally female, from my general neck of the woods in the upper Midwest, college grads, middle class, and middle-aged .... they’re all playing SJW ... lots of demands for ‘privilege-checking’ from anyone who raises even the mildest questions about the need for and benefits of rioting ...
     
    Please make it clear that White men will no longer protect them. Our resources are too thin.

    These White liberal women aren't "confused"; they aren't brainwashed by "the Illuminati".

    Rather, they are natural born traitors. Their whole lives revolve around stabbing their own kind in the back to get status. I've lived long enough to see them do this over and over in multiple domains.

    Get away from them.

    , @anonymous
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    This has been my experience as well. Virtue signalling off the charts, even more than past BLM moments.

    , @Anon
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    This is a great comment by Van Jones. The predictable responses by AWFLs is hilarious.

    https://twitter.com/Jacksonlzz/status/1266365670851215360?s=20

    , @216
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Conservative white men are basically demonized by the culture industry as creepy rapists. While the culture industry has created a Tyrone mythos that blacks are an authentic masculinity.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    I’m not sure simple double standards are enough to satisfy them at this point. They are in full Substitute Savior mode, and they want more.
     
    White women live to sell out their race.

    This is why I'm all about mis carmelitasand myyellow pearls!
  12. @Dave Pinsen
    This black tweeter mooted segregation ironically to make a point, but one advantage of segregation (as awful morally as we all know it is) is that it would allow different communities to be policed in different ways. A black city could decide to only hire black cops, and have them look the other way at stuff like selling loose cigarettes. That would reduce arrests, incidents of resisting arrest, and the deaths that sometimes result from police overreactions to that.

    https://twitter.com/wil_da_beast630/status/1266454964232245262?s=20

    Replies: @Stealth, @Jus' Sayin'..., @AnotherDad

    I’ve read – and I don’t remember where – that black cops don’t want to be stuck patrolling black neighborhoods. Like most of the other cops, they want to be in safer, nicer places.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Stealth

    Ferguson didn't have many black cops because it was a downscale integrated suburb that couldn't pay as much as St. Louis could or offer as safe a work environment as the highly white exurbs. So black cops seldom chose to work in Ferguson: too much stress, too little pay.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Neoconned

  13. @The Last Real Calvinist
    It's been interesting watching the FB threads where my most liberal FB friends hang out. They're generally female, from my general neck of the woods in the upper Midwest, college grads, middle class, and middle-aged.

    Although only a couple of them actually live in Minneapolis, they're all playing SJW with home-court confidence.

    In short, they are going absolutely crazy on this one: BLM links, posts about weeping, loving shout-outs to black people everywhere, and lots of demands for 'privilege-checking' from anyone who raises even the mildest questions about the need for and benefits of rioting, looting, etc.

    I'm not sure simple double standards are enough to satisfy them at this point. They are in full Substitute Savior mode, and they want more.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Whiskey, @RichardTaylor, @anonymous, @Anon, @216, @The Wild Geese Howard

    I’ve seen a similar effect. These riots aren’t causing liberals to question their beliefs. Quite the opposite, as a matter of fact. The next few years should be really interesting.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Stealth


    These riots aren’t causing liberals to question their beliefs.
     
    Neither riots nor any other events in the real world would cause liberals to question their faith.

    The riots and surrounding events were carefully contrived as RELIGIOUS RITUALS to slake the thirst for "meaning" and thrills among a wide swath of "liberal" post-Christian America in 2020.

    We are seeing the first rung on a ladder of escalation.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  14. Like Otis Campbell the drunk on the Andy Griffith Show, blacks can go to the local jail and lock themselves up if they feel like it.

  15. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oliver Elkington
    I think everyone can agree that the amount of force used on George Floyd was completely unacceptable, it is not as if the officer kneeling on him was even the only officer on the scene, to do that with 3 other officers present is just insane tbh. Coming from Britain i can say that such scenes of police brutality are almost unheard of, and that with our capital and several other major cities having large black populations, officers in Britain are trained to use caution when arresting suspects as are i believe officers in France and Spain where criminals are much more likely to have guns. Police brutality just does not affect black people in America(though the media will have you believe they are the main group to suffer from it) it affects pretty much anyone who comes into contact with aggressive minded officers.

    Replies: @Anon, @trelane, @Intelligent Dasein

    I think everyone can agree that the amount of force used on George Floyd was completely unacceptable

    I was waiting for the “but” to come but in never did.

    Coming from Britain, you cannot fathom what the massive black ghettos we have in America are like or what it takes to police them day in and day out.

    Cops are people too. They aren’t law enforcement robots.

    They deal with the most depraved sociopathy, day in and day out. Poor dead George Floyd was very likely one such sociopath. Cops learn not to trust, put up with, or give them any quarter after some time.

    In other words, Blacks need to take responsibility for the insane amount of abuse their unapologetic third world violent and other crime rates takes on men who, if only policing their own, wouldn’t even need to carry guns 99% of the time. The mechanism is pure Pavlov.

    Policing Blacks anywhere in the West is a massive and continuing generosity of untold numbers of lives just so that they can minimally get by without destroying themselves and pretend to be integrated. I’m lost as to what the payoff is.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon


    "The mechanism is pure Pavlov".
     
    ...goes at the end of the prceeding paragraph in relation to where it is. I inserted the sentiment into the wrong place.
    , @TheMassageIsTheMedium
    @Anon

    The payoff is votes. Whoever gives them the gibs gets to be in power. Easier to have a malleable low IQ population as a vote farm than white voters.

  16. Many blacks, an astonishing percentage I’d guess, see resisting cops as a right they have to trial by combat.

  17. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:

    A popular leftist twitter account, the Existential Comics guy, said that leftists should “start taking seriously the idea of abolishing the police entirely”, and replacing them with “independent community defense organization, like the Black Panthers”:

  18. anon[267] • Disclaimer says:

    Another Dad advocates separation. We should map out how this can move forward.
    If we stop enforcing the law on blacks this could be a significant step in that direction. Black neighborhoods and black-run cities will be “no go” zones for police, effectively outside constitutional control. Or, the only police allowed will be black police and they will not be subject to state or federal oversight.
    I know these are already the facts on the ground in many cities, but you would push to make it official. Declare Detroit, Baltimore, and now Minneapolis as all black city states (white-free safe spaces!) and give them semi-autonomy. Offer them legal separation as empowerment and as an affirmative action gift. Give them legal autonomy to protect them from white cops. Give them the cities they’ve already destroyed.
    This could be the thin end of the wedge to start break-up and secession in the old USA. As breakup moves forward and the federal government loses power to control events, red state legislatures can form their own countries and pass laws to push blacks out.
    You really want separation? Let’s hear the game plan.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @anon

    In exchange for sovereignty, the new citizens of black "city states" waive US citizenship (which they despise anyway, so no loss for them.

    Border walled.

    Visa-free travel only to other Black Sovereignty Zones (BSZs) as mutually agree.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Romanian

    , @Jake
    @anon

    Unless you get almost all white Leftists and Liberals whose liberalism is focused on race to move to the black lands, then your non-black lands will get ruined rather quickly.

  19. @Anon
    @Oliver Elkington


    I think everyone can agree that the amount of force used on George Floyd was completely unacceptable
     
    I was waiting for the "but" to come but in never did.

    Coming from Britain, you cannot fathom what the massive black ghettos we have in America are like or what it takes to police them day in and day out.

    Cops are people too. They aren't law enforcement robots.

    They deal with the most depraved sociopathy, day in and day out. Poor dead George Floyd was very likely one such sociopath. Cops learn not to trust, put up with, or give them any quarter after some time.

    In other words, Blacks need to take responsibility for the insane amount of abuse their unapologetic third world violent and other crime rates takes on men who, if only policing their own, wouldn't even need to carry guns 99% of the time. The mechanism is pure Pavlov.

    Policing Blacks anywhere in the West is a massive and continuing generosity of untold numbers of lives just so that they can minimally get by without destroying themselves and pretend to be integrated. I'm lost as to what the payoff is.

    Replies: @Anon, @TheMassageIsTheMedium

    “The mechanism is pure Pavlov”.

    …goes at the end of the prceeding paragraph in relation to where it is. I inserted the sentiment into the wrong place.

  20. @Oliver Elkington
    I think everyone can agree that the amount of force used on George Floyd was completely unacceptable, it is not as if the officer kneeling on him was even the only officer on the scene, to do that with 3 other officers present is just insane tbh. Coming from Britain i can say that such scenes of police brutality are almost unheard of, and that with our capital and several other major cities having large black populations, officers in Britain are trained to use caution when arresting suspects as are i believe officers in France and Spain where criminals are much more likely to have guns. Police brutality just does not affect black people in America(though the media will have you believe they are the main group to suffer from it) it affects pretty much anyone who comes into contact with aggressive minded officers.

    Replies: @Anon, @trelane, @Intelligent Dasein

    Mr. Floyd was a lifelong sociopath. Should sociopaths get equal rights?

    “Hello this is a direct call from Mr. Floyd from Mr. Floyd will you accept the charges from the United States?”
    “he keeps hanging up”

    • Replies: @Oliver Elkington
    @trelane

    While it is quite clear from what we have heard that George Floyd was not a respected scientist and from what we have heard that he was frequently in trouble with the police does that make it acceptable for that amount of force to be used on him when being restrained? Police in Britain deal with violent thugs like George every day and don't resort to using such methods, maybe it is because officers here regard policing as a privilege that they have aspired to do all their lives and not a job that no one wants to do(though i have heard that many people still apply to join police departments every year in America so it is hardly an under applied for job that only attracts the rough elements in society that could not find employment anywhere else.

    Replies: @Trelane

  21. @The Last Real Calvinist
    It's been interesting watching the FB threads where my most liberal FB friends hang out. They're generally female, from my general neck of the woods in the upper Midwest, college grads, middle class, and middle-aged.

    Although only a couple of them actually live in Minneapolis, they're all playing SJW with home-court confidence.

    In short, they are going absolutely crazy on this one: BLM links, posts about weeping, loving shout-outs to black people everywhere, and lots of demands for 'privilege-checking' from anyone who raises even the mildest questions about the need for and benefits of rioting, looting, etc.

    I'm not sure simple double standards are enough to satisfy them at this point. They are in full Substitute Savior mode, and they want more.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Whiskey, @RichardTaylor, @anonymous, @Anon, @216, @The Wild Geese Howard

    White Women are the natural and eternal enemy of White men.

  22. @The Last Real Calvinist
    It's been interesting watching the FB threads where my most liberal FB friends hang out. They're generally female, from my general neck of the woods in the upper Midwest, college grads, middle class, and middle-aged.

    Although only a couple of them actually live in Minneapolis, they're all playing SJW with home-court confidence.

    In short, they are going absolutely crazy on this one: BLM links, posts about weeping, loving shout-outs to black people everywhere, and lots of demands for 'privilege-checking' from anyone who raises even the mildest questions about the need for and benefits of rioting, looting, etc.

    I'm not sure simple double standards are enough to satisfy them at this point. They are in full Substitute Savior mode, and they want more.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Whiskey, @RichardTaylor, @anonymous, @Anon, @216, @The Wild Geese Howard

    They’re generally female, from my general neck of the woods in the upper Midwest, college grads, middle class, and middle-aged …. they’re all playing SJW … lots of demands for ‘privilege-checking’ from anyone who raises even the mildest questions about the need for and benefits of rioting …

    Please make it clear that White men will no longer protect them. Our resources are too thin.

    These White liberal women aren’t “confused”; they aren’t brainwashed by “the Illuminati”.

    Rather, they are natural born traitors. Their whole lives revolve around stabbing their own kind in the back to get status. I’ve lived long enough to see them do this over and over in multiple domains.

    Get away from them.

  23. anonymous[884] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    It's been interesting watching the FB threads where my most liberal FB friends hang out. They're generally female, from my general neck of the woods in the upper Midwest, college grads, middle class, and middle-aged.

    Although only a couple of them actually live in Minneapolis, they're all playing SJW with home-court confidence.

    In short, they are going absolutely crazy on this one: BLM links, posts about weeping, loving shout-outs to black people everywhere, and lots of demands for 'privilege-checking' from anyone who raises even the mildest questions about the need for and benefits of rioting, looting, etc.

    I'm not sure simple double standards are enough to satisfy them at this point. They are in full Substitute Savior mode, and they want more.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Whiskey, @RichardTaylor, @anonymous, @Anon, @216, @The Wild Geese Howard

    This has been my experience as well. Virtue signalling off the charts, even more than past BLM moments.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  24. @The Last Real Calvinist
    It's been interesting watching the FB threads where my most liberal FB friends hang out. They're generally female, from my general neck of the woods in the upper Midwest, college grads, middle class, and middle-aged.

    Although only a couple of them actually live in Minneapolis, they're all playing SJW with home-court confidence.

    In short, they are going absolutely crazy on this one: BLM links, posts about weeping, loving shout-outs to black people everywhere, and lots of demands for 'privilege-checking' from anyone who raises even the mildest questions about the need for and benefits of rioting, looting, etc.

    I'm not sure simple double standards are enough to satisfy them at this point. They are in full Substitute Savior mode, and they want more.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Whiskey, @RichardTaylor, @anonymous, @Anon, @216, @The Wild Geese Howard

    This is a great comment by Van Jones. The predictable responses by AWFLs is hilarious.

  25. @Dave Pinsen
    Steve, this excellent thread by Zach Goldberg might be worth a post:

    https://twitter.com/ZachG932/status/1266474645923999744?s=20

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Pop Warner, @TheMassageIsTheMedium

    He probably smirked at the officers. That’s an act of violence in their heads

  26. @Haole
    If you are rich you can move to Hawaii and live decently, no popolos here. If you are poor or middle class you can move to the Ozarks or Utah, no blacks. Fred's Mexico is looking better and better for the middle class and below, Freds right, Mexican culture is better than black culture

    If blacks are above the law then you have to not live around blacks, the US is a big place, but huge chunks are off limits now.

    Replies: @Thomas, @S. Anonyia, @Mike_from_SGV

    Not having to live around blacks has been the essence of the American definition of personal success since the 1960s. Even for blacks.

    • Agree: trelane, Morton's toes
    • LOL: Jus' Sayin'...
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Thomas


    Not having to live around blacks has been the essence of the American definition of personal success since the 1960s.
     
    Too bad it wasn't in the 1860s. Or 1760s.

    Replies: @Charlotte

  27. @Haole
    If you are rich you can move to Hawaii and live decently, no popolos here. If you are poor or middle class you can move to the Ozarks or Utah, no blacks. Fred's Mexico is looking better and better for the middle class and below, Freds right, Mexican culture is better than black culture

    If blacks are above the law then you have to not live around blacks, the US is a big place, but huge chunks are off limits now.

    Replies: @Thomas, @S. Anonyia, @Mike_from_SGV

    The Ozarks suck. Appalachia is much nicer and comparable in terms of demographics.

    Utah is nice. Actually, the panhandle of Florida is quite nice, though it’s getting crowded and there aren’t many jobs outside of healthcare/tourism.

  28. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Not OT:

    Taylor Swift Vows To Defeat Donald Trump Over Threats To Shoot George Floyd Protesters; “We Will Vote You Out”, Singer Says

    By Dominic Patten
    Dominic Patten

    Senior Editor, Legal & TV Critic

    If Joe Biden hasn’t decided on a running mate yet, he might want to add Taylor Swift to the short list.

    The once apolitical megastar just tore into Donald Trump with a ferocity often absent from the Democrats’ technocratic approach to the former Celebrity Apprentice host.

    After a brutal night that saw Minneapolis and other place in America burning in protest from the death of George Floyd at the knee of a much complained about cop, Trump started threatening online that “when looting starts, the shooting starts,” in a violation of Twitter’s rules against “glorifying violence.”

    This morning, the multi-platinum singer took to social media to tell her 86.1 million Twitter followers and Trump himself that his reign of error will come to an end:

    After stoking the fires of white supremacy and racism your entire presidency, you have the nerve to feign moral superiority before threatening violence? ‘When the looting starts the shooting starts’??? We will vote you out in November. @realdonaldtrump

    — Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) May 29, 2020

    Swift is the fifth most followed individual on Twitter and surpasses the much tweeting Trump in followers by almost 6 million fans.

    Besides defending his incendiary and thuggish language of last night in a duo of tweets today and a few words at a White House photo-op, Trump has yet to significantly address the death of Floyd by the now arrested Derek Chauvin. A “furious” Biden took to the Internet this morning to give a speech about Floyd’s death and racism in America. The former Vice-President and presumptive Dems nominee also has spoken to Floyd’s family directly.

    Having started to step into the political arena during the 2018 mid-term elections, Swift was quick to react online earlier this month when video of the killing of jogging Ahmaud Arbery by a white former cop and his son in February became public to great mourning and outrage:

    I’m absolutely devastated and horrified by the senseless, cold blooded, racially motivated killing of Ahmaud Arbery. #JusticeForAhmaud

    — Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) May 7, 2020

    If Netflix’s 2020 Sundance Film Festival premiering Miss Americana documentary is any indication, expect to see a lot more tweets like today from Swift as Biden and Trump face off in a coronavirus and racially ravaged nation.

    In the Lana Wilson directed flick from producers Morgan Neville, Caitrin Rogers and Christine O’Malley, Swift at one point gets some pushback from his team about revealing she is voting for the Democrats and condemns Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.)

    “I don’t care if they write that!” Swift says on camera when told she could lose part of her fanbase and generate headlines like “Taylor Swift comes out against Trump”

    “I’m sad that I didn’t two years ago, but I can’t change that,” the Reputation singer proclaims of staying silent in the 2016 election. “I’m saying right now that this is something that I know is right … I need to be on the right side of history.”

    “If I get bad press for saying, ‘Don’t put a homophobic racist in office,’ then I get bad press for that. I really don’t care,” Swift added.

    https://deadline.com/2020/05/taylor-swift-donald-trump-attack-george-floyd-death-riots-joe-biden-twitter-1202946907/

    • Replies: @216
    @Anonymous

    This is why I'm ok with a 75% tax rate on the rich.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    More I think about it this is going to be interesting.

    Tay-tay has been successful because 1) she isn't a slut (not in public anyway), isn't a dyke (not in public anyway), and has been relatively nonpolitical. Parents like her as a role model unlike Miley Cyrus or Katy Perry. As she gets political a lot of dads are not as going to be as doting with Taylor Swift tickets, Taylor Swift memorabilia, Taylor Swift fashions, Taylor Swift Baby Taylor guitars and so forth.

    Her music not being aimed at my demographic and my being older than her parents, I don't own any TS records, or other stuff. I couldn't name more than one or two of her songs off hand.

    What I see happening is this: Taylor is "cured", as they say in Texas. She has more money than she will ever need. She is a human being like anyone else and if she has $400 million, wants $800 million, same as a bum with a dollar wants two and Bill Gates with sixty billion wants a hundred and twenty billion. But she wants to be liked by her 'peers', the other people in showbiz. Her money is secure, so if she pisses off the parents that make her the big money, that's an okay tradeoff. She's also looking at being an actress, and in the movie world being politically okay is a big deal.

    Maybe I'm reading more or less than there is into this.

    Replies: @TheMassageIsTheMedium

    , @Rouetheday
    @Anonymous

    If I'm not mistaken, Taylor's primary residence these days is in Nashville. So, I expect any day now we'll get a tweet from her in support of that married couple who were savagely attacked by a homeless Black man at a storage facility there. Oh, and did you see how the writer of this article is listed as both the 'Legal and TV critic'. Wow... talk about a Renaissance Man...

  29. @Oliver Elkington
    I think everyone can agree that the amount of force used on George Floyd was completely unacceptable, it is not as if the officer kneeling on him was even the only officer on the scene, to do that with 3 other officers present is just insane tbh. Coming from Britain i can say that such scenes of police brutality are almost unheard of, and that with our capital and several other major cities having large black populations, officers in Britain are trained to use caution when arresting suspects as are i believe officers in France and Spain where criminals are much more likely to have guns. Police brutality just does not affect black people in America(though the media will have you believe they are the main group to suffer from it) it affects pretty much anyone who comes into contact with aggressive minded officers.

    Replies: @Anon, @trelane, @Intelligent Dasein

    I think everyone can agree that the amount of force used on George Floyd was completely unacceptable,

    I am deliberately not following this story, because I am not interested in it and I hate getting caught up in things like this. But from what I’ve inadvertantly seen, I don’t understand how anybody could side with the cops in good conscience. Of course, the rioting is unacceptable as well. The whole thing is just a hot mess.

  30. @Dave Pinsen
    This black tweeter mooted segregation ironically to make a point, but one advantage of segregation (as awful morally as we all know it is) is that it would allow different communities to be policed in different ways. A black city could decide to only hire black cops, and have them look the other way at stuff like selling loose cigarettes. That would reduce arrests, incidents of resisting arrest, and the deaths that sometimes result from police overreactions to that.

    https://twitter.com/wil_da_beast630/status/1266454964232245262?s=20

    Replies: @Stealth, @Jus' Sayin'..., @AnotherDad

    A black city could decide to only hire black cops, and have them look the other way at stuff like selling loose cigarettes. That would reduce arrests, incidents of resisting arrest, and the deaths that sometimes result from police overreactions to that.

    The problem with that idea is that Negro police officers have far higher rates of inappropriate behavior, corruption and violence than their White counterparts. Just like Negro run cities are far more corrupt and dysfunctional than White run cities, so police departments with large numbers of Negro officers and/or Negro command staff are far more corrupt and abusive of the citizenry than other departments. This is a carefully kept secret among experts in the field. Even hinting at it can destroy your career. But anyone who doubts this should start compiling reports of police misbehavior and tabulating them by the race of involved officers. It’s as obvious as who is really murdering Negroes in this country.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    The problem with that idea is that Negro police officers have far higher rates of inappropriate behavior, corruption and violence than their White counterparts.

    A vivid example would be Chicago's notorious "Two-Gun Pete" Sylvester, the murderous, corrupt black cop who patrolled the South Side in the 1930s and '40s.

    City cop struck fear into South Side

    By BY WILLIAM LEE
    SEP 06, 2013 | 6:10 PM
    The legend of "Two-Gun Pete," the coldblooded cop who shot at least nine men dead on the South Side, began with a gun battle eight decades ago.

    Just six months into his rookie year in April 1934, he caught 27-year-old Ben Harold red-handed during an armed robbery near 51st and State streets. What followed was a shootout that brought several bullets dangerously close to the young stockyard-worker-turned-policeman.

    When the smoke cleared, four of the cop's five shots had hit their mark, tearing through Harold's torso. He staggered several steps before falling dead in a doorway.

    After nearly emptying his six-shooter, Pete started carrying a second handgun for backup. He eventually swapped his .38-caliber revolvers for more powerful .357 Magnums, and his reputation grew.

    Though he was one of the deadliest police officers in Chicago history, few people without a longtime South Side connection have ever heard of Two-Gun Pete, or the enigmatic man behind the nickname, Sylvester Washington.

    The Tribune set out to bring his story to a wider audience, separating facts from myth. The newspaper examined official records, talked to police veterans who knew him and interviewed his third wife, who was a DuSable High School student when they secretly wed in the 1960s. The Tribune also found a woman who says she owns one of Washington's guns.



    Black Metropolis

    Two-Gun started as an anonymous bluecoat walking a beat, but he ended up as a ghetto superstar -- a flamboyant, crooked, braggadocious, womanizing, hard-drinking, foul-mouthed police detective.

    He was tasked with clearing out bad elements from every nightclub, flophouse and pool hall in what was then called Black Metropolis, a South Side community mired in poverty and violence, yet bouncing to a jazzy beat.

    Washington spent most of his career working out of the old Wabash Avenue police station at 48th Street and Wabash. By the mid-1940s, his 5th District, with a population of 200,000, led the city in slayings, robberies and rapes, and was nicknamed the "Bucket of Blood."

    But the mention of Two-Gun Pete's name could clear a street corner in seconds.

    "Everybody knew Sylvester Washington," said Rudy Nimocks, a former deputy police superintendent. "They knew his car. And the prostitutes would go hide someplace when they saw him. He was something else."

    Facing criticism that police were failing to protect black residents, Chicago's top brass looked to Washington and other tough black cops to get a hold on crime. But the bosses may have made a pact with the devil, entrusting citizens' safety to a profoundly violent man.

    "He was the meanest, cruelest person that I have ever seen in my entire life," said his third wife, Roslyn Washington Banks.

    Pete augmented his fierce reputation with the tools of his trade: a nightstick and meaty hands that he used to slap grown men to the ground like small children.

    And there were his sidearms -- pearl-handled .357 Magnum revolvers. One had a long barrel, the other a short barrel. Each pistol was holstered in its own belt around his hips, both pearl handles pointing right for the right-handed gunslinger.

    "I seldom miss the mark with them," Washington bragged to Ebony magazine. "I can put 14 bullseyes into a target out of 15 shots, and have made a marksmanship record of 147 out of a possible 150."

    Police officials told the newspapers that Pete had gunned down nine men by 1945. He later claimed the career total was 11. And even later, he added one more body to the pile, telling a young reporter named Mike Royko: "I kept my own count and I counted 12."

    Depending on which number is accurate, Pete was either the deadliest police officer in Chicago history or tied with Frank Pape, a North Side cop who started on the force three months before Pete and killed nine men.

    Washington liked to cite other numbers, too, claiming 20,000 arrests in his career. He also earned three cash bonuses for shooting car thieves.

    As Pete's reputation grew, he was promoted from patrol officer to detective. The two guns stayed, but the blue uniform and cap were replaced with silk suits and fedoras.

    Pete became a police celebrity, getting special assignments, such as protecting Jackie Robinson at Wrigley Field and guarding the free ice cream for children at the Bud Billiken Parade. He and his pistols were even featured in a small photo in a 1947 issue of Life magazine.

    At the height of his legend, he didn't even have to unholster his guns. He would send troublemakers unescorted to the police station, and they would go, preferring not to have Pete come looking for them later.

    A request for Chicago police documents on Washington yielded only two, showing his years of service and listing his commendations and service bonuses. Because of the lack of documents, his chain of victims is difficult to track down. But the Tribune did secure the death records of several men he gunned down.



    'The real Dirty Harry'

    Two-Gun Pete didn't fit the central casting description of a Chicago cop, standing about 5-foot-9, with a mustache, and pushing 225 pounds. With cigar smoke billowing from his pencil-thin lips and those two heavy rods on his hips, he may have resembled a locomotive on wobbly tracks as he strutted down the street.

    His sad eyes and beer gut disguised a hair-trigger temper that ignited for even minor slights.

    Washington shot and killed Willie Lee Matthews in August 1941 as they passed in a narrow passageway near Garfield Boulevard. Washington later claimed Matthews, 33, had tried to grab his gun, though it wasn't clear why Matthews, a hotel bellman, would have tried to disarm Two-Gun Pete. Still, a coroner's jury ruled the slaying a justifiable homicide.

    More common were the street beatings that Washington handed out, primarily to criminals caught in the act or wisecracking teenagers.

    "The real Dirty Harry was Two-Gun Pete," said playwright and actor Jerry Jones, who wrote a self-published book about Washington in 1988.

    As Nimocks put it, Two-Gun Pete "kind of epitomized the worst of policing, where police officers were totally brutal and had no regard whatsoever for some of the professionalism that people demand now. You'd crack a guy, you'd smack some guy in the mouth. You'd knock them down the second they disrespected you."

    Take the night in fall 1945 when Two-Gun Pete was dining at a 63rd Street restaurant and used the butt of his revolver to batter a drunk in front of horrified patrons, according to news reports. The beaten man was charged with felony assault, accused of stabbing Washington. But the judge dropped the charges after three witnesses labeled Two-Gun as the aggressor.

    In the black press like the Chicago Defender and Ebony, such negative stories about Washington rarely made it into print. He was portrayed as straight-shooting, fearless and incorruptible. The Afro-American newspaper of Baltimore called him "the fabulous Two-Gun Pete."

    But Washington was decidedly corrupt. He was known to raid nightspots on successive nights only to show up a third night looking for a loan. Then there was that business of his fancy suits and the expensive cars he drove on duty.



    Learning the drill

    As the Great Migration brought tens of thousands of Southern blacks to Chicago, part of Pete's job was teaching the customs of the big city to "country Negroes," as the Defender called them. The Southern tradition of neighbors chatting by the side of the road was a no-no, as it was believed to foster crime.

    Two-Gun Pete was a product of the migration himself, having come to Chicago from Terry, Miss., with his family at age 14 in 1920. But he had no tolerance for people who hung out on the sidewalk.

    "He would come down here and say, 'Every living ass off the street.' And I mean everybody faded. He had no (compassion), no pity, you couldn't say a word to him. He'd beat the people unmercifully," former Bronzeville resident Marion Hummons said in an oral history of the neighborhood.

    Former Cook County Commissioner Chuck Bowen, a former prosecutor, remembers the day Washington approached him and several others standing on a corner in 1948.

    "He said, 'When I come back here, I don't want to see you all standing on this corner,' " Bowen recalled. "He turned his back and ... his nightstick was hidden behind his back. When he turned around, he said, 'I'm back!' "

    By the time he started swinging his club, Bowen and his friends were running in every direction.

    At age 84, Nimocks remembers racking pool balls as a teenager in a pool hall near 39th and Cottage Grove when Two-Gun Pete strolled in. Knowing the drill, Nimocks and the others turned, spread-eagle, toward the wall to be searched.

    "We were all terrified because we knew who he was," Nimocks said. "He came in. That's the first time I had seen him. And he had on a leopard-skin jacket. I'll never forget it."

    Crowds outside the hottest spots on the South Side -- the Cafe Rhumboogie, Club DeLisa and the Palm Tavern -- parted like the Red Sea when Pete's Mercury coupe pulled up.

    One night he came to the rescue of actor Canada Lee, who starred in Orson Welles' Broadway adaptation of Richard Wright's "Native Son." Lee and his date were being hassled by young toughs at a cabaret when Pete intervened.

    According to Lee biographer Mona Z. Smith, Pete shouted: "You think you can come in here and spoil things for this man who is an artist? If I hear you doing anything to Mr. Lee, I will kill you!"

    Milton Deas, 93, a retired police commander who met Washington after joining the department in 1946, said the times were tough and a cop had to be tougher. Otherwise, he said, the officer would be branded a "punk."

    Music legend Quincy Jones, a Chicago native, was less sympathetic.

    "Every weekend we watched a legendary black cop named Two-Gun Pete who carried two pearl-handled revolvers shoot black kids in the back in broad daylight, right in front of a Walgreens drugstore -- the kids dropped like potato sacks," Jones wrote in his autobiography. "We fantasized about making Two-Gun Pete pay."

    The outcry against Pete became louder as more regular citizens became victims of his wrath.

    "I know a person is liable to be beaten by hoodlums and thugs, but not when police beat up citizens in the street," William H. Knight wrote in a letter to the Defender in 1940, claiming Washington assaulted him as he was getting a phone number from a friend under the 58th Street "L."

    The final straw may have come in May 1951, when Washington was called before a grand jury to explain how a cop who made $3,600 a year could afford the down payment on a $40,000 building.

    Washington gladly showed jurors his diamond ring and his guns, but he bristled when a prosecutor compared his stylish dress to that of New York crime boss Frank Costello.

    "When you talk of Costello, you talk of a hoodlum," Washington said. "I'm a law enforcement officer, the greatest."



    The HillTop Lounge

    On Oct. 15, 1951, just two days after marking his 18th year on the job, Washington gave up the badge, but he kept the guns.

    On the ground floor of his newly purchased building, Washington opened the infamous HillTop Lounge -- a dive bar on East Oakwood Boulevard. Behind the bar was a cigar box full of bullet fragments pulled from Pete's victims. The box was next to the billy club and sawed-off shotgun he kept for extra protection.

    Cops and judges frequently stopped by, but most patrons became hip to one of his scams: If you bought a beer and paid with a $5 bill or larger denomination, your change also paid for Pete's drink. This practice made bluesman Muddy Waters stop going to the HillTop.

    Washington's short fuse frequently got the better of him.

    "He'd get drunk, and I have seen him many times take his open hand and slap a man off the bar stool on the floor," said his third wife, Rosyln Washington Banks.

    She married Pete in the early 1960s when she was 16 and living with her family above the HillTop. He was 58 and had been through two failed marriages -- to Rose, who bore him five children, and to professional dancer Lloraine Brown, who filed for divorce after four years, citing his "cruelty," according to news reports.

    Attempts to locate relatives from Pete's first two marriages were unsuccessful. His third wife, Rosyln, had two children with Washington, and she remarried after his death. The Tribune found the retired respiratory therapist living in Bronzeville.

    Though the fate of Pete's pearl-handled revolvers is unknown, Washington gave one of his other Magnums to Larry Givens, a friend and gang unit officer, according to Givens' daughter, Camille Givens. She says the pistol passed to her after her father's death in 2000. She keeps the gun's location a secret, saying only that it is "outside the city."

    She recalled a story that her father told after visiting Washington at Michael Reese Hospital in 1971, shortly before Pete's death of cirrhosis.

    Sitting in his hospital bed, Washington had a vision. "They're dancing on my bed, Larry," he said.

    "Wash, what are you talking about?" Givens said.

    "The 11 men," he said.

    Two-Gun Pete was again face to face with the men he had killed, Camille Givens said.

    "He saw them dancing at the foot of his bed."

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Rouetheday
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    "The problem with that idea is that Negro police officers have far higher rates of yadda, yadda, yadda..." If they're patrolling only the Black neighborhoods, how is that a 'problem' for anyone or anything that you or I might possibly care about?

  31. @Anonymous
    Not OT:


    Taylor Swift Vows To Defeat Donald Trump Over Threats To Shoot George Floyd Protesters; “We Will Vote You Out”, Singer Says

    By Dominic Patten
    Dominic Patten

    Senior Editor, Legal & TV Critic




    If Joe Biden hasn’t decided on a running mate yet, he might want to add Taylor Swift to the short list.

    The once apolitical megastar just tore into Donald Trump with a ferocity often absent from the Democrats’ technocratic approach to the former Celebrity Apprentice host.

    After a brutal night that saw Minneapolis and other place in America burning in protest from the death of George Floyd at the knee of a much complained about cop, Trump started threatening online that “when looting starts, the shooting starts,” in a violation of Twitter’s rules against “glorifying violence.”

    This morning, the multi-platinum singer took to social media to tell her 86.1 million Twitter followers and Trump himself that his reign of error will come to an end:


    After stoking the fires of white supremacy and racism your entire presidency, you have the nerve to feign moral superiority before threatening violence? ‘When the looting starts the shooting starts’??? We will vote you out in November. @realdonaldtrump

    — Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) May 29, 2020

    Swift is the fifth most followed individual on Twitter and surpasses the much tweeting Trump in followers by almost 6 million fans.

    Besides defending his incendiary and thuggish language of last night in a duo of tweets today and a few words at a White House photo-op, Trump has yet to significantly address the death of Floyd by the now arrested Derek Chauvin. A “furious” Biden took to the Internet this morning to give a speech about Floyd’s death and racism in America. The former Vice-President and presumptive Dems nominee also has spoken to Floyd’s family directly.

    Having started to step into the political arena during the 2018 mid-term elections, Swift was quick to react online earlier this month when video of the killing of jogging Ahmaud Arbery by a white former cop and his son in February became public to great mourning and outrage:

    I’m absolutely devastated and horrified by the senseless, cold blooded, racially motivated killing of Ahmaud Arbery. #JusticeForAhmaud

    — Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) May 7, 2020

    If Netflix’s 2020 Sundance Film Festival premiering Miss Americana documentary is any indication, expect to see a lot more tweets like today from Swift as Biden and Trump face off in a coronavirus and racially ravaged nation.

    In the Lana Wilson directed flick from producers Morgan Neville, Caitrin Rogers and Christine O’Malley, Swift at one point gets some pushback from his team about revealing she is voting for the Democrats and condemns Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.)

    “I don’t care if they write that!” Swift says on camera when told she could lose part of her fanbase and generate headlines like “Taylor Swift comes out against Trump”

    “I’m sad that I didn’t two years ago, but I can’t change that,” the Reputation singer proclaims of staying silent in the 2016 election. “I’m saying right now that this is something that I know is right … I need to be on the right side of history.”

    “If I get bad press for saying, ‘Don’t put a homophobic racist in office,’ then I get bad press for that. I really don’t care,” Swift added.
     
    https://deadline.com/2020/05/taylor-swift-donald-trump-attack-george-floyd-death-riots-joe-biden-twitter-1202946907/

    Replies: @216, @Anonymous, @Rouetheday

    This is why I’m ok with a 75% tax rate on the rich.

  32. @Stealth
    @Dave Pinsen

    I've read - and I don't remember where - that black cops don't want to be stuck patrolling black neighborhoods. Like most of the other cops, they want to be in safer, nicer places.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Ferguson didn’t have many black cops because it was a downscale integrated suburb that couldn’t pay as much as St. Louis could or offer as safe a work environment as the highly white exurbs. So black cops seldom chose to work in Ferguson: too much stress, too little pay.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Steve Sailer

    I know many "upscale"blacks who were Army/Navy/AF who became (some) cops/firefighters later in life. And, because they came from "intact families," are horrified, today, over these riots! I mean, they have adult children this age, but their kids do not have this inclination to burn down their town. This is why these riots are suspicious: middle class/working class blacks, whites, Latinos are not gonna riot...but privileged whites and HS drop-out blacks will???!!!

    The Mayors and Governors have some 'splaining to do.'

    , @Neoconned
    @Steve Sailer

    Cant say I blame them....

  33. @Richard of Melbourne
    Question for readers: Is it possible to say "I can't breathe" when you can't breathe?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Elli, @gabriel alberton, @Sam Malone

    Question for readers: Is it possible to say “I can’t breathe” when you can’t breathe?

    No. But you also have to ask to breath before they will let you breathe. Catch-22.

  34. @The Last Real Calvinist
    It's been interesting watching the FB threads where my most liberal FB friends hang out. They're generally female, from my general neck of the woods in the upper Midwest, college grads, middle class, and middle-aged.

    Although only a couple of them actually live in Minneapolis, they're all playing SJW with home-court confidence.

    In short, they are going absolutely crazy on this one: BLM links, posts about weeping, loving shout-outs to black people everywhere, and lots of demands for 'privilege-checking' from anyone who raises even the mildest questions about the need for and benefits of rioting, looting, etc.

    I'm not sure simple double standards are enough to satisfy them at this point. They are in full Substitute Savior mode, and they want more.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Whiskey, @RichardTaylor, @anonymous, @Anon, @216, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Conservative white men are basically demonized by the culture industry as creepy rapists. While the culture industry has created a Tyrone mythos that blacks are an authentic masculinity.

  35. @Thomas
    @Haole

    Not having to live around blacks has been the essence of the American definition of personal success since the 1960s. Even for blacks.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Not having to live around blacks has been the essence of the American definition of personal success since the 1960s.

    Too bad it wasn’t in the 1860s. Or 1760s.

    • Agree: Thomas, Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Charlotte
    @Reg Cæsar

    Northern anti-slavery sentiment wasn’t driven solely by moral opposition to slavery itself: in addition to economic considerations, some Northerners feared the growth of slavery would bring blacks to territories without them. Antislavery moralists also argued that slavery led to miscegenation between slave owners and slave women (the pro-slavery crowd argued that freeing the slaves would result in miscegenation). Pretty much everyone thought that was a self-evidently bad thing at the time of the Civil War.

    These details tend to get lost in popular histories, but they are easy enough to see by reading the literature, the letters, and the diaries of the time.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  36. Elli says:
    @Richard of Melbourne
    Question for readers: Is it possible to say "I can't breathe" when you can't breathe?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Elli, @gabriel alberton, @Sam Malone

    People can have difficulty breathing or oxygen deprivation and still say, “I can’t breathe.” “I can’t breathe,” is what people say when they are suffering from heart attacks, asthma, anaphylaxis, pneumonia, pulmonary edema, chest trauma, shock. Literalism is silly and heartless.

    “I can’t breathe,” is also what people having panic attacks say, or people trying to gain sympathy. They tend to be more voluble about it, but I’ve had a patient chattering away with a critical COPD exacerbation.

  37. @trelane
    @Oliver Elkington

    Mr. Floyd was a lifelong sociopath. Should sociopaths get equal rights?

    "Hello this is a direct call from Mr. Floyd from Mr. Floyd will you accept the charges from the United States?"
    "he keeps hanging up"

    https://youtu.be/YiVPC8QHsQM?t=171

    Replies: @Oliver Elkington

    While it is quite clear from what we have heard that George Floyd was not a respected scientist and from what we have heard that he was frequently in trouble with the police does that make it acceptable for that amount of force to be used on him when being restrained? Police in Britain deal with violent thugs like George every day and don’t resort to using such methods, maybe it is because officers here regard policing as a privilege that they have aspired to do all their lives and not a job that no one wants to do(though i have heard that many people still apply to join police departments every year in America so it is hardly an under applied for job that only attracts the rough elements in society that could not find employment anywhere else.

    • Replies: @Trelane
    @Oliver Elkington

    The amount of force levied against Mr. Floyd may well have been commensurate with his victimization of others after 46 years of sociopathy.

    I have no sympathy for sociopaths.

  38. @anon
    Another Dad advocates separation. We should map out how this can move forward.
    If we stop enforcing the law on blacks this could be a significant step in that direction. Black neighborhoods and black-run cities will be "no go" zones for police, effectively outside constitutional control. Or, the only police allowed will be black police and they will not be subject to state or federal oversight.
    I know these are already the facts on the ground in many cities, but you would push to make it official. Declare Detroit, Baltimore, and now Minneapolis as all black city states (white-free safe spaces!) and give them semi-autonomy. Offer them legal separation as empowerment and as an affirmative action gift. Give them legal autonomy to protect them from white cops. Give them the cities they've already destroyed.
    This could be the thin end of the wedge to start break-up and secession in the old USA. As breakup moves forward and the federal government loses power to control events, red state legislatures can form their own countries and pass laws to push blacks out.
    You really want separation? Let's hear the game plan.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jake

    In exchange for sovereignty, the new citizens of black “city states” waive US citizenship (which they despise anyway, so no loss for them.

    Border walled.

    Visa-free travel only to other Black Sovereignty Zones (BSZs) as mutually agree.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Almost Missouri

    Maybe we can just give them Georgia. They seem pretty anxious to make it the first black- majority state anyway.

    , @Romanian
    @Almost Missouri

    Aren't you basically describing the Bantustan plans for apartheid South Africa?

    Those didn't work out either.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  39. @Haole
    If you are rich you can move to Hawaii and live decently, no popolos here. If you are poor or middle class you can move to the Ozarks or Utah, no blacks. Fred's Mexico is looking better and better for the middle class and below, Freds right, Mexican culture is better than black culture

    If blacks are above the law then you have to not live around blacks, the US is a big place, but huge chunks are off limits now.

    Replies: @Thomas, @S. Anonyia, @Mike_from_SGV

    Avoiding them is the only realistic option. Anything contentious, and someone becomes a sacrificial lamb like the cop. At some point, one of the planks of the Dem platform will be “The ability of a POC to commit crime without being harassed is the civil rights issue of our time”.

  40. Anon[169] • Disclaimer says:

    WHITE SUSPECT:

    – Yes, officer [Thinking: I’m filing a complaint against you]

    – Cooperates, arrested, and booked

    – When released stops at desk to pick up Internal Affairs complaint form

    – Hires attorney to sue city

    – Cop gets letter in file, arrestee get financial settlement

    BLACK SUSPECT:

    – Dindo nuttin, you ain’t arresting me, slapping and hitting

    – More cops arrive, choke held

    – Has underlying condition, dies

    – Alternate scenario: Acts violent, has weapon, gets shot, dies

    – Carpetbagging black attorney arrives, files complaints and sues on behalf of family

    – Cop gets charged with murder, beats it, retires with settlement, puts it into private banker account and lives modest life of leisure

    – Family gets financial settlement, tries to open private banker account

    – Bank refuses, “didn’t work for the money, doesn’t respect the money, no discipline, balance will be zero within two years, no upside for us”

    – Family sues bank, gets settlement

    – Family blows money from two settlements within two years, stops visiting grave of suspect

    – Family orders birthday cake from Krogers, changes icing to say “Happy Birthday N****r,” carpetbagging black lawyer files lawsuit for them, but Kroger countersues with in-store video evidence and gets large verdict

  41. Id like to point out that due to Section 8 policies, billionaires like George Soros, who can afford to build huge apartment complexes, can change your city’s demographics from afar quite quickly if they want to. He can build oodles of Sec 8 units, and advertise their availability to minorities everywhere.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Does George Soros do that?

  42. Jake says:

    This is not to say that no black should ever be arrested, just that, in the ultimate analysis, black privilege is now more sacred than the law, so if a black really, really doesn’t want to submit to the cops, his feelings and his privileged person must override all other considerations, such as equal treatment of the laws.

    Thaddeus Stevens and the Yank WASP Republican Elites of the Reconstruction Era could not agree more.

  43. @anon
    Another Dad advocates separation. We should map out how this can move forward.
    If we stop enforcing the law on blacks this could be a significant step in that direction. Black neighborhoods and black-run cities will be "no go" zones for police, effectively outside constitutional control. Or, the only police allowed will be black police and they will not be subject to state or federal oversight.
    I know these are already the facts on the ground in many cities, but you would push to make it official. Declare Detroit, Baltimore, and now Minneapolis as all black city states (white-free safe spaces!) and give them semi-autonomy. Offer them legal separation as empowerment and as an affirmative action gift. Give them legal autonomy to protect them from white cops. Give them the cities they've already destroyed.
    This could be the thin end of the wedge to start break-up and secession in the old USA. As breakup moves forward and the federal government loses power to control events, red state legislatures can form their own countries and pass laws to push blacks out.
    You really want separation? Let's hear the game plan.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jake

    Unless you get almost all white Leftists and Liberals whose liberalism is focused on race to move to the black lands, then your non-black lands will get ruined rather quickly.

  44. @Whiskey
    Some monkey wrench type should organize BLM to loot and burn Malibu.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Kronos

    They are stupid.

    They are not that stupid.

  45. @The Last Real Calvinist
    It's been interesting watching the FB threads where my most liberal FB friends hang out. They're generally female, from my general neck of the woods in the upper Midwest, college grads, middle class, and middle-aged.

    Although only a couple of them actually live in Minneapolis, they're all playing SJW with home-court confidence.

    In short, they are going absolutely crazy on this one: BLM links, posts about weeping, loving shout-outs to black people everywhere, and lots of demands for 'privilege-checking' from anyone who raises even the mildest questions about the need for and benefits of rioting, looting, etc.

    I'm not sure simple double standards are enough to satisfy them at this point. They are in full Substitute Savior mode, and they want more.

    Replies: @Stealth, @Whiskey, @RichardTaylor, @anonymous, @Anon, @216, @The Wild Geese Howard

    I’m not sure simple double standards are enough to satisfy them at this point. They are in full Substitute Savior mode, and they want more.

    White women live to sell out their race.

    This is why I’m all about mis carmelitasand myyellow pearls!

  46. @Almost Missouri
    @anon

    In exchange for sovereignty, the new citizens of black "city states" waive US citizenship (which they despise anyway, so no loss for them.

    Border walled.

    Visa-free travel only to other Black Sovereignty Zones (BSZs) as mutually agree.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Romanian

    Maybe we can just give them Georgia. They seem pretty anxious to make it the first black- majority state anyway.

  47. @Whiskey
    Some monkey wrench type should organize BLM to loot and burn Malibu.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Kronos

    If only…

    It’s been the best observation on this site (for years) BLM is merely a proxy for one oligarch or another. They’re not very likely to bite the hand that feeds them grant money and political support.

    I’m trying to find the gentrification George Soros angle for starting a BLM riot in Minneapolis. The riots and looting are occurring in the city right? not in a slightly distant suburb like Ferguson?

    • Replies: @216
    @Kronos

    The twin engines of riots are NGOs and Gang Members.

    Leftist NGOs are everywhere, building the social infrastructure mostly for electioneering and political organizing.

    The actual street violence is organized by gangs, people in gang colors direct rioters to hit certain buildings and not others. A gang truce takes affect during riots.

    The third factor is the anarchist scene, who are the people doing the arson.

  48. 216 says:
    @Kronos
    @Whiskey

    If only...

    https://youtu.be/h0iAcQVIokg

    It’s been the best observation on this site (for years) BLM is merely a proxy for one oligarch or another. They’re not very likely to bite the hand that feeds them grant money and political support.

    I’m trying to find the gentrification George Soros angle for starting a BLM riot in Minneapolis. The riots and looting are occurring in the city right? not in a slightly distant suburb like Ferguson?

    Replies: @216

    The twin engines of riots are NGOs and Gang Members.

    Leftist NGOs are everywhere, building the social infrastructure mostly for electioneering and political organizing.

    The actual street violence is organized by gangs, people in gang colors direct rioters to hit certain buildings and not others. A gang truce takes affect during riots.

    The third factor is the anarchist scene, who are the people doing the arson.

  49. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Dave Pinsen


    A black city could decide to only hire black cops, and have them look the other way at stuff like selling loose cigarettes. That would reduce arrests, incidents of resisting arrest, and the deaths that sometimes result from police overreactions to that.
     
    The problem with that idea is that Negro police officers have far higher rates of inappropriate behavior, corruption and violence than their White counterparts. Just like Negro run cities are far more corrupt and dysfunctional than White run cities, so police departments with large numbers of Negro officers and/or Negro command staff are far more corrupt and abusive of the citizenry than other departments. This is a carefully kept secret among experts in the field. Even hinting at it can destroy your career. But anyone who doubts this should start compiling reports of police misbehavior and tabulating them by the race of involved officers. It's as obvious as who is really murdering Negroes in this country.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Rouetheday

    The problem with that idea is that Negro police officers have far higher rates of inappropriate behavior, corruption and violence than their White counterparts.

    A vivid example would be Chicago’s notorious “Two-Gun Pete” Sylvester, the murderous, corrupt black cop who patrolled the South Side in the 1930s and ’40s.

    City cop struck fear into South Side

    By BY WILLIAM LEE
    SEP 06, 2013 | 6:10 PM
    The legend of “Two-Gun Pete,” the coldblooded cop who shot at least nine men dead on the South Side, began with a gun battle eight decades ago.

    [MORE]

    Just six months into his rookie year in April 1934, he caught 27-year-old Ben Harold red-handed during an armed robbery near 51st and State streets. What followed was a shootout that brought several bullets dangerously close to the young stockyard-worker-turned-policeman.

    When the smoke cleared, four of the cop’s five shots had hit their mark, tearing through Harold’s torso. He staggered several steps before falling dead in a doorway.

    After nearly emptying his six-shooter, Pete started carrying a second handgun for backup. He eventually swapped his .38-caliber revolvers for more powerful .357 Magnums, and his reputation grew.

    Though he was one of the deadliest police officers in Chicago history, few people without a longtime South Side connection have ever heard of Two-Gun Pete, or the enigmatic man behind the nickname, Sylvester Washington.

    The Tribune set out to bring his story to a wider audience, separating facts from myth. The newspaper examined official records, talked to police veterans who knew him and interviewed his third wife, who was a DuSable High School student when they secretly wed in the 1960s. The Tribune also found a woman who says she owns one of Washington’s guns.

    Black Metropolis

    Two-Gun started as an anonymous bluecoat walking a beat, but he ended up as a ghetto superstar — a flamboyant, crooked, braggadocious, womanizing, hard-drinking, foul-mouthed police detective.

    He was tasked with clearing out bad elements from every nightclub, flophouse and pool hall in what was then called Black Metropolis, a South Side community mired in poverty and violence, yet bouncing to a jazzy beat.

    Washington spent most of his career working out of the old Wabash Avenue police station at 48th Street and Wabash. By the mid-1940s, his 5th District, with a population of 200,000, led the city in slayings, robberies and rapes, and was nicknamed the “Bucket of Blood.”

    But the mention of Two-Gun Pete’s name could clear a street corner in seconds.

    “Everybody knew Sylvester Washington,” said Rudy Nimocks, a former deputy police superintendent. “They knew his car. And the prostitutes would go hide someplace when they saw him. He was something else.”

    Facing criticism that police were failing to protect black residents, Chicago’s top brass looked to Washington and other tough black cops to get a hold on crime. But the bosses may have made a pact with the devil, entrusting citizens’ safety to a profoundly violent man.

    “He was the meanest, cruelest person that I have ever seen in my entire life,” said his third wife, Roslyn Washington Banks.

    Pete augmented his fierce reputation with the tools of his trade: a nightstick and meaty hands that he used to slap grown men to the ground like small children.

    And there were his sidearms — pearl-handled .357 Magnum revolvers. One had a long barrel, the other a short barrel. Each pistol was holstered in its own belt around his hips, both pearl handles pointing right for the right-handed gunslinger.

    “I seldom miss the mark with them,” Washington bragged to Ebony magazine. “I can put 14 bullseyes into a target out of 15 shots, and have made a marksmanship record of 147 out of a possible 150.”

    Police officials told the newspapers that Pete had gunned down nine men by 1945. He later claimed the career total was 11. And even later, he added one more body to the pile, telling a young reporter named Mike Royko: “I kept my own count and I counted 12.”

    Depending on which number is accurate, Pete was either the deadliest police officer in Chicago history or tied with Frank Pape, a North Side cop who started on the force three months before Pete and killed nine men.

    Washington liked to cite other numbers, too, claiming 20,000 arrests in his career. He also earned three cash bonuses for shooting car thieves.

    As Pete’s reputation grew, he was promoted from patrol officer to detective. The two guns stayed, but the blue uniform and cap were replaced with silk suits and fedoras.

    Pete became a police celebrity, getting special assignments, such as protecting Jackie Robinson at Wrigley Field and guarding the free ice cream for children at the Bud Billiken Parade. He and his pistols were even featured in a small photo in a 1947 issue of Life magazine.

    At the height of his legend, he didn’t even have to unholster his guns. He would send troublemakers unescorted to the police station, and they would go, preferring not to have Pete come looking for them later.

    A request for Chicago police documents on Washington yielded only two, showing his years of service and listing his commendations and service bonuses. Because of the lack of documents, his chain of victims is difficult to track down. But the Tribune did secure the death records of several men he gunned down.

    ‘The real Dirty Harry’

    Two-Gun Pete didn’t fit the central casting description of a Chicago cop, standing about 5-foot-9, with a mustache, and pushing 225 pounds. With cigar smoke billowing from his pencil-thin lips and those two heavy rods on his hips, he may have resembled a locomotive on wobbly tracks as he strutted down the street.

    His sad eyes and beer gut disguised a hair-trigger temper that ignited for even minor slights.

    Washington shot and killed Willie Lee Matthews in August 1941 as they passed in a narrow passageway near Garfield Boulevard. Washington later claimed Matthews, 33, had tried to grab his gun, though it wasn’t clear why Matthews, a hotel bellman, would have tried to disarm Two-Gun Pete. Still, a coroner’s jury ruled the slaying a justifiable homicide.

    More common were the street beatings that Washington handed out, primarily to criminals caught in the act or wisecracking teenagers.

    “The real Dirty Harry was Two-Gun Pete,” said playwright and actor Jerry Jones, who wrote a self-published book about Washington in 1988.

    As Nimocks put it, Two-Gun Pete “kind of epitomized the worst of policing, where police officers were totally brutal and had no regard whatsoever for some of the professionalism that people demand now. You’d crack a guy, you’d smack some guy in the mouth. You’d knock them down the second they disrespected you.”

    Take the night in fall 1945 when Two-Gun Pete was dining at a 63rd Street restaurant and used the butt of his revolver to batter a drunk in front of horrified patrons, according to news reports. The beaten man was charged with felony assault, accused of stabbing Washington. But the judge dropped the charges after three witnesses labeled Two-Gun as the aggressor.

    In the black press like the Chicago Defender and Ebony, such negative stories about Washington rarely made it into print. He was portrayed as straight-shooting, fearless and incorruptible. The Afro-American newspaper of Baltimore called him “the fabulous Two-Gun Pete.”

    But Washington was decidedly corrupt. He was known to raid nightspots on successive nights only to show up a third night looking for a loan. Then there was that business of his fancy suits and the expensive cars he drove on duty.

    Learning the drill

    As the Great Migration brought tens of thousands of Southern blacks to Chicago, part of Pete’s job was teaching the customs of the big city to “country Negroes,” as the Defender called them. The Southern tradition of neighbors chatting by the side of the road was a no-no, as it was believed to foster crime.

    Two-Gun Pete was a product of the migration himself, having come to Chicago from Terry, Miss., with his family at age 14 in 1920. But he had no tolerance for people who hung out on the sidewalk.

    “He would come down here and say, ‘Every living ass off the street.’ And I mean everybody faded. He had no (compassion), no pity, you couldn’t say a word to him. He’d beat the people unmercifully,” former Bronzeville resident Marion Hummons said in an oral history of the neighborhood.

    Former Cook County Commissioner Chuck Bowen, a former prosecutor, remembers the day Washington approached him and several others standing on a corner in 1948.

    “He said, ‘When I come back here, I don’t want to see you all standing on this corner,’ ” Bowen recalled. “He turned his back and … his nightstick was hidden behind his back. When he turned around, he said, ‘I’m back!’ ”

    By the time he started swinging his club, Bowen and his friends were running in every direction.

    At age 84, Nimocks remembers racking pool balls as a teenager in a pool hall near 39th and Cottage Grove when Two-Gun Pete strolled in. Knowing the drill, Nimocks and the others turned, spread-eagle, toward the wall to be searched.

    “We were all terrified because we knew who he was,” Nimocks said. “He came in. That’s the first time I had seen him. And he had on a leopard-skin jacket. I’ll never forget it.”

    Crowds outside the hottest spots on the South Side — the Cafe Rhumboogie, Club DeLisa and the Palm Tavern — parted like the Red Sea when Pete’s Mercury coupe pulled up.

    One night he came to the rescue of actor Canada Lee, who starred in Orson Welles’ Broadway adaptation of Richard Wright’s “Native Son.” Lee and his date were being hassled by young toughs at a cabaret when Pete intervened.

    According to Lee biographer Mona Z. Smith, Pete shouted: “You think you can come in here and spoil things for this man who is an artist? If I hear you doing anything to Mr. Lee, I will kill you!”

    Milton Deas, 93, a retired police commander who met Washington after joining the department in 1946, said the times were tough and a cop had to be tougher. Otherwise, he said, the officer would be branded a “punk.”

    Music legend Quincy Jones, a Chicago native, was less sympathetic.

    “Every weekend we watched a legendary black cop named Two-Gun Pete who carried two pearl-handled revolvers shoot black kids in the back in broad daylight, right in front of a Walgreens drugstore — the kids dropped like potato sacks,” Jones wrote in his autobiography. “We fantasized about making Two-Gun Pete pay.”

    The outcry against Pete became louder as more regular citizens became victims of his wrath.

    “I know a person is liable to be beaten by hoodlums and thugs, but not when police beat up citizens in the street,” William H. Knight wrote in a letter to the Defender in 1940, claiming Washington assaulted him as he was getting a phone number from a friend under the 58th Street “L.”

    The final straw may have come in May 1951, when Washington was called before a grand jury to explain how a cop who made $3,600 a year could afford the down payment on a $40,000 building.

    Washington gladly showed jurors his diamond ring and his guns, but he bristled when a prosecutor compared his stylish dress to that of New York crime boss Frank Costello.

    “When you talk of Costello, you talk of a hoodlum,” Washington said. “I’m a law enforcement officer, the greatest.”

    The HillTop Lounge

    On Oct. 15, 1951, just two days after marking his 18th year on the job, Washington gave up the badge, but he kept the guns.

    On the ground floor of his newly purchased building, Washington opened the infamous HillTop Lounge — a dive bar on East Oakwood Boulevard. Behind the bar was a cigar box full of bullet fragments pulled from Pete’s victims. The box was next to the billy club and sawed-off shotgun he kept for extra protection.

    Cops and judges frequently stopped by, but most patrons became hip to one of his scams: If you bought a beer and paid with a $5 bill or larger denomination, your change also paid for Pete’s drink. This practice made bluesman Muddy Waters stop going to the HillTop.

    Washington’s short fuse frequently got the better of him.

    “He’d get drunk, and I have seen him many times take his open hand and slap a man off the bar stool on the floor,” said his third wife, Rosyln Washington Banks.

    She married Pete in the early 1960s when she was 16 and living with her family above the HillTop. He was 58 and had been through two failed marriages — to Rose, who bore him five children, and to professional dancer Lloraine Brown, who filed for divorce after four years, citing his “cruelty,” according to news reports.

    Attempts to locate relatives from Pete’s first two marriages were unsuccessful. His third wife, Rosyln, had two children with Washington, and she remarried after his death. The Tribune found the retired respiratory therapist living in Bronzeville.

    Though the fate of Pete’s pearl-handled revolvers is unknown, Washington gave one of his other Magnums to Larry Givens, a friend and gang unit officer, according to Givens’ daughter, Camille Givens. She says the pistol passed to her after her father’s death in 2000. She keeps the gun’s location a secret, saying only that it is “outside the city.”

    She recalled a story that her father told after visiting Washington at Michael Reese Hospital in 1971, shortly before Pete’s death of cirrhosis.

    Sitting in his hospital bed, Washington had a vision. “They’re dancing on my bed, Larry,” he said.

    “Wash, what are you talking about?” Givens said.

    “The 11 men,” he said.

    Two-Gun Pete was again face to face with the men he had killed, Camille Givens said.

    “He saw them dancing at the foot of his bed.”

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Harry Baldwin

    TL; DR-

    So the takeaway is that Two-Gun Pete knew how to party.

  50. @Steve Sailer
    @Stealth

    Ferguson didn't have many black cops because it was a downscale integrated suburb that couldn't pay as much as St. Louis could or offer as safe a work environment as the highly white exurbs. So black cops seldom chose to work in Ferguson: too much stress, too little pay.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Neoconned

    I know many “upscale”blacks who were Army/Navy/AF who became (some) cops/firefighters later in life. And, because they came from “intact families,” are horrified, today, over these riots! I mean, they have adult children this age, but their kids do not have this inclination to burn down their town. This is why these riots are suspicious: middle class/working class blacks, whites, Latinos are not gonna riot…but privileged whites and HS drop-out blacks will???!!!

    The Mayors and Governors have some ‘splaining to do.’

  51. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Not OT:


    Taylor Swift Vows To Defeat Donald Trump Over Threats To Shoot George Floyd Protesters; “We Will Vote You Out”, Singer Says

    By Dominic Patten
    Dominic Patten

    Senior Editor, Legal & TV Critic




    If Joe Biden hasn’t decided on a running mate yet, he might want to add Taylor Swift to the short list.

    The once apolitical megastar just tore into Donald Trump with a ferocity often absent from the Democrats’ technocratic approach to the former Celebrity Apprentice host.

    After a brutal night that saw Minneapolis and other place in America burning in protest from the death of George Floyd at the knee of a much complained about cop, Trump started threatening online that “when looting starts, the shooting starts,” in a violation of Twitter’s rules against “glorifying violence.”

    This morning, the multi-platinum singer took to social media to tell her 86.1 million Twitter followers and Trump himself that his reign of error will come to an end:


    After stoking the fires of white supremacy and racism your entire presidency, you have the nerve to feign moral superiority before threatening violence? ‘When the looting starts the shooting starts’??? We will vote you out in November. @realdonaldtrump

    — Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) May 29, 2020

    Swift is the fifth most followed individual on Twitter and surpasses the much tweeting Trump in followers by almost 6 million fans.

    Besides defending his incendiary and thuggish language of last night in a duo of tweets today and a few words at a White House photo-op, Trump has yet to significantly address the death of Floyd by the now arrested Derek Chauvin. A “furious” Biden took to the Internet this morning to give a speech about Floyd’s death and racism in America. The former Vice-President and presumptive Dems nominee also has spoken to Floyd’s family directly.

    Having started to step into the political arena during the 2018 mid-term elections, Swift was quick to react online earlier this month when video of the killing of jogging Ahmaud Arbery by a white former cop and his son in February became public to great mourning and outrage:

    I’m absolutely devastated and horrified by the senseless, cold blooded, racially motivated killing of Ahmaud Arbery. #JusticeForAhmaud

    — Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) May 7, 2020

    If Netflix’s 2020 Sundance Film Festival premiering Miss Americana documentary is any indication, expect to see a lot more tweets like today from Swift as Biden and Trump face off in a coronavirus and racially ravaged nation.

    In the Lana Wilson directed flick from producers Morgan Neville, Caitrin Rogers and Christine O’Malley, Swift at one point gets some pushback from his team about revealing she is voting for the Democrats and condemns Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.)

    “I don’t care if they write that!” Swift says on camera when told she could lose part of her fanbase and generate headlines like “Taylor Swift comes out against Trump”

    “I’m sad that I didn’t two years ago, but I can’t change that,” the Reputation singer proclaims of staying silent in the 2016 election. “I’m saying right now that this is something that I know is right … I need to be on the right side of history.”

    “If I get bad press for saying, ‘Don’t put a homophobic racist in office,’ then I get bad press for that. I really don’t care,” Swift added.
     
    https://deadline.com/2020/05/taylor-swift-donald-trump-attack-george-floyd-death-riots-joe-biden-twitter-1202946907/

    Replies: @216, @Anonymous, @Rouetheday

    More I think about it this is going to be interesting.

    Tay-tay has been successful because 1) she isn’t a slut (not in public anyway), isn’t a dyke (not in public anyway), and has been relatively nonpolitical. Parents like her as a role model unlike Miley Cyrus or Katy Perry. As she gets political a lot of dads are not as going to be as doting with Taylor Swift tickets, Taylor Swift memorabilia, Taylor Swift fashions, Taylor Swift Baby Taylor guitars and so forth.

    Her music not being aimed at my demographic and my being older than her parents, I don’t own any TS records, or other stuff. I couldn’t name more than one or two of her songs off hand.

    What I see happening is this: Taylor is “cured”, as they say in Texas. She has more money than she will ever need. She is a human being like anyone else and if she has $400 million, wants $800 million, same as a bum with a dollar wants two and Bill Gates with sixty billion wants a hundred and twenty billion. But she wants to be liked by her ‘peers’, the other people in showbiz. Her money is secure, so if she pisses off the parents that make her the big money, that’s an okay tradeoff. She’s also looking at being an actress, and in the movie world being politically okay is a big deal.

    Maybe I’m reading more or less than there is into this.

    • Replies: @TheMassageIsTheMedium
    @Anonymous

    This is exactly right. She also understands that the media is purely leftist, including critics, and she wants to secure her legacy by being "on the right side of history".

  52. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stealth
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    I've seen a similar effect. These riots aren't causing liberals to question their beliefs. Quite the opposite, as a matter of fact. The next few years should be really interesting.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    These riots aren’t causing liberals to question their beliefs.

    Neither riots nor any other events in the real world would cause liberals to question their faith.

    The riots and surrounding events were carefully contrived as RELIGIOUS RITUALS to slake the thirst for “meaning” and thrills among a wide swath of “liberal” post-Christian America in 2020.

    We are seeing the first rung on a ladder of escalation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    Neither riots nor any other events in the real world would cause liberals to question their faith.
     
    Perfectly true, but only half of the pair of pliers. The other half is money.

    Liberals make their money through politics. They are almost the most incompetent people I have ever met, and have little choice other than politics. (Granted, very accomplished people can become liberals, but that is often from desire to conform with the politically dominant and an utter incompetence outside their field of accomplishment.)

    Liberals dominate because urban areas used to be so productive that one did not have to be smart to run the city, and since the cities lost their economic base during the 1950s and during the 1960s switched to a political base (Federal tax revenues and political influence) one _really_ doesn't have to be smart to run a city. Consider the NYC policy of sending COVID-19 patients to "assisted housing" for old people if you want an example of just how _really_ not smart urban politicians can be, yet remain in office.

    So: Liberals act from faith, and are confirmed in their faith by a continual shower of money that is clearly a result of their faith. The "name it and claim it" evangelists promise much the same for a different faith, but without the secular results of Liberalism. Money and faith is a hard combination to beat, at least until the money runs out (e.g. USSR). Once the money runs out, liberalism is like pliers with one side missing.

  53. @Reg Cæsar
    @Thomas


    Not having to live around blacks has been the essence of the American definition of personal success since the 1960s.
     
    Too bad it wasn't in the 1860s. Or 1760s.

    Replies: @Charlotte

    Northern anti-slavery sentiment wasn’t driven solely by moral opposition to slavery itself: in addition to economic considerations, some Northerners feared the growth of slavery would bring blacks to territories without them. Antislavery moralists also argued that slavery led to miscegenation between slave owners and slave women (the pro-slavery crowd argued that freeing the slaves would result in miscegenation). Pretty much everyone thought that was a self-evidently bad thing at the time of the Civil War.

    These details tend to get lost in popular histories, but they are easy enough to see by reading the literature, the letters, and the diaries of the time.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Charlotte

    The other popular, then self-evident, non-moralistic anti-slavery platform that slave labor would undercut free labor. It was the anti-immigration platform of its day.

  54. @Anonymous
    Not OT:


    Taylor Swift Vows To Defeat Donald Trump Over Threats To Shoot George Floyd Protesters; “We Will Vote You Out”, Singer Says

    By Dominic Patten
    Dominic Patten

    Senior Editor, Legal & TV Critic




    If Joe Biden hasn’t decided on a running mate yet, he might want to add Taylor Swift to the short list.

    The once apolitical megastar just tore into Donald Trump with a ferocity often absent from the Democrats’ technocratic approach to the former Celebrity Apprentice host.

    After a brutal night that saw Minneapolis and other place in America burning in protest from the death of George Floyd at the knee of a much complained about cop, Trump started threatening online that “when looting starts, the shooting starts,” in a violation of Twitter’s rules against “glorifying violence.”

    This morning, the multi-platinum singer took to social media to tell her 86.1 million Twitter followers and Trump himself that his reign of error will come to an end:


    After stoking the fires of white supremacy and racism your entire presidency, you have the nerve to feign moral superiority before threatening violence? ‘When the looting starts the shooting starts’??? We will vote you out in November. @realdonaldtrump

    — Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) May 29, 2020

    Swift is the fifth most followed individual on Twitter and surpasses the much tweeting Trump in followers by almost 6 million fans.

    Besides defending his incendiary and thuggish language of last night in a duo of tweets today and a few words at a White House photo-op, Trump has yet to significantly address the death of Floyd by the now arrested Derek Chauvin. A “furious” Biden took to the Internet this morning to give a speech about Floyd’s death and racism in America. The former Vice-President and presumptive Dems nominee also has spoken to Floyd’s family directly.

    Having started to step into the political arena during the 2018 mid-term elections, Swift was quick to react online earlier this month when video of the killing of jogging Ahmaud Arbery by a white former cop and his son in February became public to great mourning and outrage:

    I’m absolutely devastated and horrified by the senseless, cold blooded, racially motivated killing of Ahmaud Arbery. #JusticeForAhmaud

    — Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) May 7, 2020

    If Netflix’s 2020 Sundance Film Festival premiering Miss Americana documentary is any indication, expect to see a lot more tweets like today from Swift as Biden and Trump face off in a coronavirus and racially ravaged nation.

    In the Lana Wilson directed flick from producers Morgan Neville, Caitrin Rogers and Christine O’Malley, Swift at one point gets some pushback from his team about revealing she is voting for the Democrats and condemns Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.)

    “I don’t care if they write that!” Swift says on camera when told she could lose part of her fanbase and generate headlines like “Taylor Swift comes out against Trump”

    “I’m sad that I didn’t two years ago, but I can’t change that,” the Reputation singer proclaims of staying silent in the 2016 election. “I’m saying right now that this is something that I know is right … I need to be on the right side of history.”

    “If I get bad press for saying, ‘Don’t put a homophobic racist in office,’ then I get bad press for that. I really don’t care,” Swift added.
     
    https://deadline.com/2020/05/taylor-swift-donald-trump-attack-george-floyd-death-riots-joe-biden-twitter-1202946907/

    Replies: @216, @Anonymous, @Rouetheday

    If I’m not mistaken, Taylor’s primary residence these days is in Nashville. So, I expect any day now we’ll get a tweet from her in support of that married couple who were savagely attacked by a homeless Black man at a storage facility there. Oh, and did you see how the writer of this article is listed as both the ‘Legal and TV critic’. Wow… talk about a Renaissance Man…

  55. @Harry Baldwin
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    The problem with that idea is that Negro police officers have far higher rates of inappropriate behavior, corruption and violence than their White counterparts.

    A vivid example would be Chicago's notorious "Two-Gun Pete" Sylvester, the murderous, corrupt black cop who patrolled the South Side in the 1930s and '40s.

    City cop struck fear into South Side

    By BY WILLIAM LEE
    SEP 06, 2013 | 6:10 PM
    The legend of "Two-Gun Pete," the coldblooded cop who shot at least nine men dead on the South Side, began with a gun battle eight decades ago.

    Just six months into his rookie year in April 1934, he caught 27-year-old Ben Harold red-handed during an armed robbery near 51st and State streets. What followed was a shootout that brought several bullets dangerously close to the young stockyard-worker-turned-policeman.

    When the smoke cleared, four of the cop's five shots had hit their mark, tearing through Harold's torso. He staggered several steps before falling dead in a doorway.

    After nearly emptying his six-shooter, Pete started carrying a second handgun for backup. He eventually swapped his .38-caliber revolvers for more powerful .357 Magnums, and his reputation grew.

    Though he was one of the deadliest police officers in Chicago history, few people without a longtime South Side connection have ever heard of Two-Gun Pete, or the enigmatic man behind the nickname, Sylvester Washington.

    The Tribune set out to bring his story to a wider audience, separating facts from myth. The newspaper examined official records, talked to police veterans who knew him and interviewed his third wife, who was a DuSable High School student when they secretly wed in the 1960s. The Tribune also found a woman who says she owns one of Washington's guns.



    Black Metropolis

    Two-Gun started as an anonymous bluecoat walking a beat, but he ended up as a ghetto superstar -- a flamboyant, crooked, braggadocious, womanizing, hard-drinking, foul-mouthed police detective.

    He was tasked with clearing out bad elements from every nightclub, flophouse and pool hall in what was then called Black Metropolis, a South Side community mired in poverty and violence, yet bouncing to a jazzy beat.

    Washington spent most of his career working out of the old Wabash Avenue police station at 48th Street and Wabash. By the mid-1940s, his 5th District, with a population of 200,000, led the city in slayings, robberies and rapes, and was nicknamed the "Bucket of Blood."

    But the mention of Two-Gun Pete's name could clear a street corner in seconds.

    "Everybody knew Sylvester Washington," said Rudy Nimocks, a former deputy police superintendent. "They knew his car. And the prostitutes would go hide someplace when they saw him. He was something else."

    Facing criticism that police were failing to protect black residents, Chicago's top brass looked to Washington and other tough black cops to get a hold on crime. But the bosses may have made a pact with the devil, entrusting citizens' safety to a profoundly violent man.

    "He was the meanest, cruelest person that I have ever seen in my entire life," said his third wife, Roslyn Washington Banks.

    Pete augmented his fierce reputation with the tools of his trade: a nightstick and meaty hands that he used to slap grown men to the ground like small children.

    And there were his sidearms -- pearl-handled .357 Magnum revolvers. One had a long barrel, the other a short barrel. Each pistol was holstered in its own belt around his hips, both pearl handles pointing right for the right-handed gunslinger.

    "I seldom miss the mark with them," Washington bragged to Ebony magazine. "I can put 14 bullseyes into a target out of 15 shots, and have made a marksmanship record of 147 out of a possible 150."

    Police officials told the newspapers that Pete had gunned down nine men by 1945. He later claimed the career total was 11. And even later, he added one more body to the pile, telling a young reporter named Mike Royko: "I kept my own count and I counted 12."

    Depending on which number is accurate, Pete was either the deadliest police officer in Chicago history or tied with Frank Pape, a North Side cop who started on the force three months before Pete and killed nine men.

    Washington liked to cite other numbers, too, claiming 20,000 arrests in his career. He also earned three cash bonuses for shooting car thieves.

    As Pete's reputation grew, he was promoted from patrol officer to detective. The two guns stayed, but the blue uniform and cap were replaced with silk suits and fedoras.

    Pete became a police celebrity, getting special assignments, such as protecting Jackie Robinson at Wrigley Field and guarding the free ice cream for children at the Bud Billiken Parade. He and his pistols were even featured in a small photo in a 1947 issue of Life magazine.

    At the height of his legend, he didn't even have to unholster his guns. He would send troublemakers unescorted to the police station, and they would go, preferring not to have Pete come looking for them later.

    A request for Chicago police documents on Washington yielded only two, showing his years of service and listing his commendations and service bonuses. Because of the lack of documents, his chain of victims is difficult to track down. But the Tribune did secure the death records of several men he gunned down.



    'The real Dirty Harry'

    Two-Gun Pete didn't fit the central casting description of a Chicago cop, standing about 5-foot-9, with a mustache, and pushing 225 pounds. With cigar smoke billowing from his pencil-thin lips and those two heavy rods on his hips, he may have resembled a locomotive on wobbly tracks as he strutted down the street.

    His sad eyes and beer gut disguised a hair-trigger temper that ignited for even minor slights.

    Washington shot and killed Willie Lee Matthews in August 1941 as they passed in a narrow passageway near Garfield Boulevard. Washington later claimed Matthews, 33, had tried to grab his gun, though it wasn't clear why Matthews, a hotel bellman, would have tried to disarm Two-Gun Pete. Still, a coroner's jury ruled the slaying a justifiable homicide.

    More common were the street beatings that Washington handed out, primarily to criminals caught in the act or wisecracking teenagers.

    "The real Dirty Harry was Two-Gun Pete," said playwright and actor Jerry Jones, who wrote a self-published book about Washington in 1988.

    As Nimocks put it, Two-Gun Pete "kind of epitomized the worst of policing, where police officers were totally brutal and had no regard whatsoever for some of the professionalism that people demand now. You'd crack a guy, you'd smack some guy in the mouth. You'd knock them down the second they disrespected you."

    Take the night in fall 1945 when Two-Gun Pete was dining at a 63rd Street restaurant and used the butt of his revolver to batter a drunk in front of horrified patrons, according to news reports. The beaten man was charged with felony assault, accused of stabbing Washington. But the judge dropped the charges after three witnesses labeled Two-Gun as the aggressor.

    In the black press like the Chicago Defender and Ebony, such negative stories about Washington rarely made it into print. He was portrayed as straight-shooting, fearless and incorruptible. The Afro-American newspaper of Baltimore called him "the fabulous Two-Gun Pete."

    But Washington was decidedly corrupt. He was known to raid nightspots on successive nights only to show up a third night looking for a loan. Then there was that business of his fancy suits and the expensive cars he drove on duty.



    Learning the drill

    As the Great Migration brought tens of thousands of Southern blacks to Chicago, part of Pete's job was teaching the customs of the big city to "country Negroes," as the Defender called them. The Southern tradition of neighbors chatting by the side of the road was a no-no, as it was believed to foster crime.

    Two-Gun Pete was a product of the migration himself, having come to Chicago from Terry, Miss., with his family at age 14 in 1920. But he had no tolerance for people who hung out on the sidewalk.

    "He would come down here and say, 'Every living ass off the street.' And I mean everybody faded. He had no (compassion), no pity, you couldn't say a word to him. He'd beat the people unmercifully," former Bronzeville resident Marion Hummons said in an oral history of the neighborhood.

    Former Cook County Commissioner Chuck Bowen, a former prosecutor, remembers the day Washington approached him and several others standing on a corner in 1948.

    "He said, 'When I come back here, I don't want to see you all standing on this corner,' " Bowen recalled. "He turned his back and ... his nightstick was hidden behind his back. When he turned around, he said, 'I'm back!' "

    By the time he started swinging his club, Bowen and his friends were running in every direction.

    At age 84, Nimocks remembers racking pool balls as a teenager in a pool hall near 39th and Cottage Grove when Two-Gun Pete strolled in. Knowing the drill, Nimocks and the others turned, spread-eagle, toward the wall to be searched.

    "We were all terrified because we knew who he was," Nimocks said. "He came in. That's the first time I had seen him. And he had on a leopard-skin jacket. I'll never forget it."

    Crowds outside the hottest spots on the South Side -- the Cafe Rhumboogie, Club DeLisa and the Palm Tavern -- parted like the Red Sea when Pete's Mercury coupe pulled up.

    One night he came to the rescue of actor Canada Lee, who starred in Orson Welles' Broadway adaptation of Richard Wright's "Native Son." Lee and his date were being hassled by young toughs at a cabaret when Pete intervened.

    According to Lee biographer Mona Z. Smith, Pete shouted: "You think you can come in here and spoil things for this man who is an artist? If I hear you doing anything to Mr. Lee, I will kill you!"

    Milton Deas, 93, a retired police commander who met Washington after joining the department in 1946, said the times were tough and a cop had to be tougher. Otherwise, he said, the officer would be branded a "punk."

    Music legend Quincy Jones, a Chicago native, was less sympathetic.

    "Every weekend we watched a legendary black cop named Two-Gun Pete who carried two pearl-handled revolvers shoot black kids in the back in broad daylight, right in front of a Walgreens drugstore -- the kids dropped like potato sacks," Jones wrote in his autobiography. "We fantasized about making Two-Gun Pete pay."

    The outcry against Pete became louder as more regular citizens became victims of his wrath.

    "I know a person is liable to be beaten by hoodlums and thugs, but not when police beat up citizens in the street," William H. Knight wrote in a letter to the Defender in 1940, claiming Washington assaulted him as he was getting a phone number from a friend under the 58th Street "L."

    The final straw may have come in May 1951, when Washington was called before a grand jury to explain how a cop who made $3,600 a year could afford the down payment on a $40,000 building.

    Washington gladly showed jurors his diamond ring and his guns, but he bristled when a prosecutor compared his stylish dress to that of New York crime boss Frank Costello.

    "When you talk of Costello, you talk of a hoodlum," Washington said. "I'm a law enforcement officer, the greatest."



    The HillTop Lounge

    On Oct. 15, 1951, just two days after marking his 18th year on the job, Washington gave up the badge, but he kept the guns.

    On the ground floor of his newly purchased building, Washington opened the infamous HillTop Lounge -- a dive bar on East Oakwood Boulevard. Behind the bar was a cigar box full of bullet fragments pulled from Pete's victims. The box was next to the billy club and sawed-off shotgun he kept for extra protection.

    Cops and judges frequently stopped by, but most patrons became hip to one of his scams: If you bought a beer and paid with a $5 bill or larger denomination, your change also paid for Pete's drink. This practice made bluesman Muddy Waters stop going to the HillTop.

    Washington's short fuse frequently got the better of him.

    "He'd get drunk, and I have seen him many times take his open hand and slap a man off the bar stool on the floor," said his third wife, Rosyln Washington Banks.

    She married Pete in the early 1960s when she was 16 and living with her family above the HillTop. He was 58 and had been through two failed marriages -- to Rose, who bore him five children, and to professional dancer Lloraine Brown, who filed for divorce after four years, citing his "cruelty," according to news reports.

    Attempts to locate relatives from Pete's first two marriages were unsuccessful. His third wife, Rosyln, had two children with Washington, and she remarried after his death. The Tribune found the retired respiratory therapist living in Bronzeville.

    Though the fate of Pete's pearl-handled revolvers is unknown, Washington gave one of his other Magnums to Larry Givens, a friend and gang unit officer, according to Givens' daughter, Camille Givens. She says the pistol passed to her after her father's death in 2000. She keeps the gun's location a secret, saying only that it is "outside the city."

    She recalled a story that her father told after visiting Washington at Michael Reese Hospital in 1971, shortly before Pete's death of cirrhosis.

    Sitting in his hospital bed, Washington had a vision. "They're dancing on my bed, Larry," he said.

    "Wash, what are you talking about?" Givens said.

    "The 11 men," he said.

    Two-Gun Pete was again face to face with the men he had killed, Camille Givens said.

    "He saw them dancing at the foot of his bed."

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    TL; DR-

    So the takeaway is that Two-Gun Pete knew how to party.

  56. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Dave Pinsen


    A black city could decide to only hire black cops, and have them look the other way at stuff like selling loose cigarettes. That would reduce arrests, incidents of resisting arrest, and the deaths that sometimes result from police overreactions to that.
     
    The problem with that idea is that Negro police officers have far higher rates of inappropriate behavior, corruption and violence than their White counterparts. Just like Negro run cities are far more corrupt and dysfunctional than White run cities, so police departments with large numbers of Negro officers and/or Negro command staff are far more corrupt and abusive of the citizenry than other departments. This is a carefully kept secret among experts in the field. Even hinting at it can destroy your career. But anyone who doubts this should start compiling reports of police misbehavior and tabulating them by the race of involved officers. It's as obvious as who is really murdering Negroes in this country.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Rouetheday

    “The problem with that idea is that Negro police officers have far higher rates of yadda, yadda, yadda…” If they’re patrolling only the Black neighborhoods, how is that a ‘problem’ for anyone or anything that you or I might possibly care about?

  57. @Anon
    @Oliver Elkington


    I think everyone can agree that the amount of force used on George Floyd was completely unacceptable
     
    I was waiting for the "but" to come but in never did.

    Coming from Britain, you cannot fathom what the massive black ghettos we have in America are like or what it takes to police them day in and day out.

    Cops are people too. They aren't law enforcement robots.

    They deal with the most depraved sociopathy, day in and day out. Poor dead George Floyd was very likely one such sociopath. Cops learn not to trust, put up with, or give them any quarter after some time.

    In other words, Blacks need to take responsibility for the insane amount of abuse their unapologetic third world violent and other crime rates takes on men who, if only policing their own, wouldn't even need to carry guns 99% of the time. The mechanism is pure Pavlov.

    Policing Blacks anywhere in the West is a massive and continuing generosity of untold numbers of lives just so that they can minimally get by without destroying themselves and pretend to be integrated. I'm lost as to what the payoff is.

    Replies: @Anon, @TheMassageIsTheMedium

    The payoff is votes. Whoever gives them the gibs gets to be in power. Easier to have a malleable low IQ population as a vote farm than white voters.

  58. @Dave Pinsen
    Steve, this excellent thread by Zach Goldberg might be worth a post:

    https://twitter.com/ZachG932/status/1266474645923999744?s=20

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Pop Warner, @TheMassageIsTheMedium

    Every white man in America needs to be cognizant of the fact that he too can be murdered by police, unlike what the lying media say. Never make sudden movements, reach towards your waist, or move quickly towards an officer.

  59. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    More I think about it this is going to be interesting.

    Tay-tay has been successful because 1) she isn't a slut (not in public anyway), isn't a dyke (not in public anyway), and has been relatively nonpolitical. Parents like her as a role model unlike Miley Cyrus or Katy Perry. As she gets political a lot of dads are not as going to be as doting with Taylor Swift tickets, Taylor Swift memorabilia, Taylor Swift fashions, Taylor Swift Baby Taylor guitars and so forth.

    Her music not being aimed at my demographic and my being older than her parents, I don't own any TS records, or other stuff. I couldn't name more than one or two of her songs off hand.

    What I see happening is this: Taylor is "cured", as they say in Texas. She has more money than she will ever need. She is a human being like anyone else and if she has $400 million, wants $800 million, same as a bum with a dollar wants two and Bill Gates with sixty billion wants a hundred and twenty billion. But she wants to be liked by her 'peers', the other people in showbiz. Her money is secure, so if she pisses off the parents that make her the big money, that's an okay tradeoff. She's also looking at being an actress, and in the movie world being politically okay is a big deal.

    Maybe I'm reading more or less than there is into this.

    Replies: @TheMassageIsTheMedium

    This is exactly right. She also understands that the media is purely leftist, including critics, and she wants to secure her legacy by being “on the right side of history”.

  60. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    Due to centuries of White Privilege, blacks from now on should enjoy the privilege of resisting arrest if they really don’t feel like being arrested.

    US Civil rights legislation has been interpreted as superseding the US Constitution, as effectively asserting that in any legal conflict between Whites and POC of any sort, judgement is for the POC. See: Christopher Caldwell, _The Age of Entitlement_, for full argument. Note that Caldwell is a very well established liberal, and is not at all happy with his own conclusions.

    So, S. Sailor is best interpreted literally in the above block quote, even if he meant it as sarcasm or hyperbole.

    Since the Black population is unable to live as contributing members in an industrial society, the existence of industrial society is the Blacks’ fundamental complaint. US Civil Rights legislation thus condemns industrial society to extinction. That is a very basic problem for the West, and will require a very basic solution — abandonment of industrial society or equivalently basic changes to the social order.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  61. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Stealth


    These riots aren’t causing liberals to question their beliefs.
     
    Neither riots nor any other events in the real world would cause liberals to question their faith.

    The riots and surrounding events were carefully contrived as RELIGIOUS RITUALS to slake the thirst for "meaning" and thrills among a wide swath of "liberal" post-Christian America in 2020.

    We are seeing the first rung on a ladder of escalation.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Neither riots nor any other events in the real world would cause liberals to question their faith.

    Perfectly true, but only half of the pair of pliers. The other half is money.

    Liberals make their money through politics. They are almost the most incompetent people I have ever met, and have little choice other than politics. (Granted, very accomplished people can become liberals, but that is often from desire to conform with the politically dominant and an utter incompetence outside their field of accomplishment.)

    Liberals dominate because urban areas used to be so productive that one did not have to be smart to run the city, and since the cities lost their economic base during the 1950s and during the 1960s switched to a political base (Federal tax revenues and political influence) one _really_ doesn’t have to be smart to run a city. Consider the NYC policy of sending COVID-19 patients to “assisted housing” for old people if you want an example of just how _really_ not smart urban politicians can be, yet remain in office.

    So: Liberals act from faith, and are confirmed in their faith by a continual shower of money that is clearly a result of their faith. The “name it and claim it” evangelists promise much the same for a different faith, but without the secular results of Liberalism. Money and faith is a hard combination to beat, at least until the money runs out (e.g. USSR). Once the money runs out, liberalism is like pliers with one side missing.

  62. @Anon
    Id like to point out that due to Section 8 policies, billionaires like George Soros, who can afford to build huge apartment complexes, can change your city's demographics from afar quite quickly if they want to. He can build oodles of Sec 8 units, and advertise their availability to minorities everywhere.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Does George Soros do that?

  63. @Charlotte
    @Reg Cæsar

    Northern anti-slavery sentiment wasn’t driven solely by moral opposition to slavery itself: in addition to economic considerations, some Northerners feared the growth of slavery would bring blacks to territories without them. Antislavery moralists also argued that slavery led to miscegenation between slave owners and slave women (the pro-slavery crowd argued that freeing the slaves would result in miscegenation). Pretty much everyone thought that was a self-evidently bad thing at the time of the Civil War.

    These details tend to get lost in popular histories, but they are easy enough to see by reading the literature, the letters, and the diaries of the time.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    The other popular, then self-evident, non-moralistic anti-slavery platform that slave labor would undercut free labor. It was the anti-immigration platform of its day.

  64. @Almost Missouri
    @anon

    In exchange for sovereignty, the new citizens of black "city states" waive US citizenship (which they despise anyway, so no loss for them.

    Border walled.

    Visa-free travel only to other Black Sovereignty Zones (BSZs) as mutually agree.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Romanian

    Aren’t you basically describing the Bantustan plans for apartheid South Africa?

    Those didn’t work out either.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Romanian

    Just spitballing here.

    Replies: @Romanian

  65. @Richard of Melbourne
    Question for readers: Is it possible to say "I can't breathe" when you can't breathe?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Elli, @gabriel alberton, @Sam Malone

    If don’t think so. Regarding this particular case, what Mr. Floyd might have meant was that he had trouble breathing, given he had his head and neck pressed against the ground by the officer as he said it. Not long after that, although precisely how long is important (as is how long the officer kept him in that position), Floyd was dead. So it is very reasonable he was actually having trouble breathing then.

  66. @Romanian
    @Almost Missouri

    Aren't you basically describing the Bantustan plans for apartheid South Africa?

    Those didn't work out either.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Just spitballing here.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @Almost Missouri

    I wasn't criticizing, I was just struck by the parallels of the solutions. In the case of South Africa, the S. Africans couldn't wean themselves off of African labor and the Africans weren't productive enough in the Bantustans, even with all of the resources poured into them, to not make it seem like they were being condemned to poverty (luxurious by African standards). I think that, just like Hispanic immigration is heading towards other parts of the country as the areas they are in become mexicanized and lower functioning, the same thing would happen to the Black population. Not to mention how easy it is for foreign actors to rile up a Balkanized America or a balkanized American elite.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  67. @Almost Missouri
    @Romanian

    Just spitballing here.

    Replies: @Romanian

    I wasn’t criticizing, I was just struck by the parallels of the solutions. In the case of South Africa, the S. Africans couldn’t wean themselves off of African labor and the Africans weren’t productive enough in the Bantustans, even with all of the resources poured into them, to not make it seem like they were being condemned to poverty (luxurious by African standards). I think that, just like Hispanic immigration is heading towards other parts of the country as the areas they are in become mexicanized and lower functioning, the same thing would happen to the Black population. Not to mention how easy it is for foreign actors to rile up a Balkanized America or a balkanized American elite.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Romanian

    Ah, well there's the answer then.


    "In the case of South Africa, the S. Africans couldn’t wean themselves off of African labor"
     
    The US receives no net black labor product. "Black labor" is a net loss for the US. So there is no need to try to finagle a way to get black labor without getting blacks. Separation really is the low cost solution. There is no downside for the US. In fact, it's not just low cost, it's net profit. There not only is no downside, there is huge upside.

    Replies: @Romanian

  68. @Romanian
    @Almost Missouri

    I wasn't criticizing, I was just struck by the parallels of the solutions. In the case of South Africa, the S. Africans couldn't wean themselves off of African labor and the Africans weren't productive enough in the Bantustans, even with all of the resources poured into them, to not make it seem like they were being condemned to poverty (luxurious by African standards). I think that, just like Hispanic immigration is heading towards other parts of the country as the areas they are in become mexicanized and lower functioning, the same thing would happen to the Black population. Not to mention how easy it is for foreign actors to rile up a Balkanized America or a balkanized American elite.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Ah, well there’s the answer then.

    “In the case of South Africa, the S. Africans couldn’t wean themselves off of African labor”

    The US receives no net black labor product. “Black labor” is a net loss for the US. So there is no need to try to finagle a way to get black labor without getting blacks. Separation really is the low cost solution. There is no downside for the US. In fact, it’s not just low cost, it’s net profit. There not only is no downside, there is huge upside.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @Almost Missouri

    Sure, but that was a different time. Population was seen as a source of workers, not just consumers. Today, you import people not just to work, but also to consumer within your country and thereby boost GDP, for which consumption is 70%. S Africa could not wean itself off of Black labor, you will not wean yourself off of Black consumption. And immigrant consumption in general, right? There are so many articles about that. More than of the "crop rotting in the fields" variety. With more than 50% of individual consumption in the US ensured through credit and government transfers, there just need to be people to consume.

    https://realinvestmentadvice.com/the-inconvenient-truth-behind-donald-trumps-victory/

    Only later will the productivity and debt thing come bite you in the ass. It is only in poor and labor poor countries that immigration advocates emphasize only workers (including people to udnercut local wage growth). They know that they can still grow the GDP through intensive consumption by raising GDP per capita, though they are fuzzy on the details.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  69. @Almost Missouri
    @Romanian

    Ah, well there's the answer then.


    "In the case of South Africa, the S. Africans couldn’t wean themselves off of African labor"
     
    The US receives no net black labor product. "Black labor" is a net loss for the US. So there is no need to try to finagle a way to get black labor without getting blacks. Separation really is the low cost solution. There is no downside for the US. In fact, it's not just low cost, it's net profit. There not only is no downside, there is huge upside.

    Replies: @Romanian

    Sure, but that was a different time. Population was seen as a source of workers, not just consumers. Today, you import people not just to work, but also to consumer within your country and thereby boost GDP, for which consumption is 70%. S Africa could not wean itself off of Black labor, you will not wean yourself off of Black consumption. And immigrant consumption in general, right? There are so many articles about that. More than of the “crop rotting in the fields” variety. With more than 50% of individual consumption in the US ensured through credit and government transfers, there just need to be people to consume.

    https://realinvestmentadvice.com/the-inconvenient-truth-behind-donald-trumps-victory/

    Only later will the productivity and debt thing come bite you in the ass. It is only in poor and labor poor countries that immigration advocates emphasize only workers (including people to udnercut local wage growth). They know that they can still grow the GDP through intensive consumption by raising GDP per capita, though they are fuzzy on the details.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Romanian


    "Today, you import people not just to work, but also to consume"
     
    Well there's your problem right there.

    "and thereby boost GDP"
     
    We're old enough now we no longer need to play this juvenile GDP d*ck-measuring game.

    "you will not wean yourself off of Black consumption. And immigrant consumption in general, right?"
     
    It's wean or be consumed. Besides, if black and immigrant consumption really were the gate to economic paradise, we could just give blacks and immigrants all money and instantly be in heaven.

    But obviously, in reality things work more or less the opposite way.


    "There are so many articles about that."
     
    Haha, yeah. Have you noticed that the less true something is, the more they need to publish about it?

    "With more than 50% of individual consumption in the US ensured through credit and government transfers, there just need to be people to consume."
     
    Hey, if this really works, why stop at 50%? Let's go to 100%! No, one million percent! Ima make y'all million percenters!

    "Only later will the productivity and debt thing come bite you in the ass."
     
    "Later" just called. They said they're moving up their appointment...

    "though they are fuzzy on the details."
     
    Indeed.
  70. @Romanian
    @Almost Missouri

    Sure, but that was a different time. Population was seen as a source of workers, not just consumers. Today, you import people not just to work, but also to consumer within your country and thereby boost GDP, for which consumption is 70%. S Africa could not wean itself off of Black labor, you will not wean yourself off of Black consumption. And immigrant consumption in general, right? There are so many articles about that. More than of the "crop rotting in the fields" variety. With more than 50% of individual consumption in the US ensured through credit and government transfers, there just need to be people to consume.

    https://realinvestmentadvice.com/the-inconvenient-truth-behind-donald-trumps-victory/

    Only later will the productivity and debt thing come bite you in the ass. It is only in poor and labor poor countries that immigration advocates emphasize only workers (including people to udnercut local wage growth). They know that they can still grow the GDP through intensive consumption by raising GDP per capita, though they are fuzzy on the details.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    “Today, you import people not just to work, but also to consume”

    Well there’s your problem right there.

    “and thereby boost GDP”

    We’re old enough now we no longer need to play this juvenile GDP d*ck-measuring game.

    “you will not wean yourself off of Black consumption. And immigrant consumption in general, right?”

    It’s wean or be consumed. Besides, if black and immigrant consumption really were the gate to economic paradise, we could just give blacks and immigrants all money and instantly be in heaven.

    But obviously, in reality things work more or less the opposite way.

    “There are so many articles about that.”

    Haha, yeah. Have you noticed that the less true something is, the more they need to publish about it?

    “With more than 50% of individual consumption in the US ensured through credit and government transfers, there just need to be people to consume.”

    Hey, if this really works, why stop at 50%? Let’s go to 100%! No, one million percent! Ima make y’all million percenters!

    “Only later will the productivity and debt thing come bite you in the ass.”

    “Later” just called. They said they’re moving up their appointment…

    “though they are fuzzy on the details.”

    Indeed.

  71. @Dave Pinsen
    This black tweeter mooted segregation ironically to make a point, but one advantage of segregation (as awful morally as we all know it is) is that it would allow different communities to be policed in different ways. A black city could decide to only hire black cops, and have them look the other way at stuff like selling loose cigarettes. That would reduce arrests, incidents of resisting arrest, and the deaths that sometimes result from police overreactions to that.

    https://twitter.com/wil_da_beast630/status/1266454964232245262?s=20

    Replies: @Stealth, @Jus' Sayin'..., @AnotherDad

    This black tweeter mooted segregation ironically to make a point, but one advantage of segregation (as awful morally as we all know it is) is that it would allow different communities to be policed in different ways. A black city could decide to only hire black cops, and have them look the other way at stuff like selling loose cigarettes. That would reduce arrests, incidents of resisting arrest, and the deaths that sometimes result from police overreactions to that.

    Serious point: anyone saying that Black people have a MORAL right to loot is arguing for segregation. No sane person, except a clinical masochist, would accept a neighbor who could burn their house down at will. These cute-sounding woke ideas would mean total collapse if adopted.

    — Wilfred Reilly (@wil_da_beast630) May 29, 2020

    Thanks Dave. I made this point to my dad and my uncle when visiting Iowa for the harvest back in 2014. If it’s so offensive for a black guy like Michael Brown to get some policing–“move out of the street”–from a white cop, that it sets him off, then segregation is the logical requirement.

    Black communities can have whatever black norms they like and black cops to enforce them.

    White communities can have whatever white norms they like and white cops to enforce them.

    But there’s no way you can manage an integrated community where there’s some subsection of the population that doesn’t have to observe the community’s norms and is allowed to get enraged whenever the police show up to enforce them.

    ~~

    The same at broader scale for nations:

    You can have an actual nation of a particular people and culture–history, language, religion, traditions, holidays, values, norms–and everyone basically assimilates to that or at least assents to it for public behavior.

    Or you have an empire, where there are a bunch of separate groups with their own culture, values, norms for their own space. Physical separation the key. (The Ottoman Empire a good example here with Muslims, Greeks, Armenians, Jews, etc. each operating in their own silo–“millet”. With the Muslims dominant in any cross group interaction. But the core principle was “do not cause trouble with other groups”. I was not, could not be, any sort of republic or free nation.)

    But what you simply can not have–does not logically work–is this minoritarianism imposed here–every minority is special, actually encouraged not to assimilate but to keep its own culture and behavior, and the majority barred from any action that imposes their (i.e. common) norms. Actually worse than “barred”, but the majority actively browbeaten for being simply being the majority (or even former majority). This logically A) is incompatible with being a republic and
    B) generates endless conflict. It is openly incoherent, and a recipe for an elite managed police state.

  72. @Richard of Melbourne
    Question for readers: Is it possible to say "I can't breathe" when you can't breathe?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Elli, @gabriel alberton, @Sam Malone

    We could try it out on you.

  73. @Oliver Elkington
    @trelane

    While it is quite clear from what we have heard that George Floyd was not a respected scientist and from what we have heard that he was frequently in trouble with the police does that make it acceptable for that amount of force to be used on him when being restrained? Police in Britain deal with violent thugs like George every day and don't resort to using such methods, maybe it is because officers here regard policing as a privilege that they have aspired to do all their lives and not a job that no one wants to do(though i have heard that many people still apply to join police departments every year in America so it is hardly an under applied for job that only attracts the rough elements in society that could not find employment anywhere else.

    Replies: @Trelane

    The amount of force levied against Mr. Floyd may well have been commensurate with his victimization of others after 46 years of sociopathy.

    I have no sympathy for sociopaths.

  74. @Steve Sailer
    @Stealth

    Ferguson didn't have many black cops because it was a downscale integrated suburb that couldn't pay as much as St. Louis could or offer as safe a work environment as the highly white exurbs. So black cops seldom chose to work in Ferguson: too much stress, too little pay.

    Replies: @Lagertha, @Neoconned

    Cant say I blame them….

  75. You were saying. . .

    The second-degree murder charge is now the main charge against all four officers. Essentially, the theory is that they committed a felony assault when they subdued a suspect who was resisting arrest. During the course of carrying out that “crime,” prosecutors allege, Floyd’s death resulted.

    While the point may be subtle, this is saliently different from the theory of third-degree murder — i.e., depraved-indifference murder. In the latter, prosecutors would concede that it was lawful in principle for the police to subdue Floyd, but argue (correctly) that their manner of doing so was recklessly indifferent to human life, causing his death. By contrast, the new “felony murder” count, spearheaded by Keith Ellison, the radical leftist state attorney general, puts police on notice that they can be charged with a crime — felony assault — for doing their job, which routinely involves physically restraining suspects who resist lawful commands.

    Any experienced law-enforcement officer will tell you that it is common for suspects to resist arrest by lying on the ground, claiming to be ill, waving arms to avoid being cuffed, and refusing to be placed in a squad car. Cops, of course, may not use excessive force when that happens. They must, however, be permitted to use sufficiently superior force to detain and transport uncooperative arrestees. In Minnesota, thanks to its election of the new breed of progressive prosecutor who rails against the justice system’s purported institutional racism, police officers who use force in arresting dangerous criminals now run the risk that they will be the ones who face criminal charges.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/new-floyd-murder-charges-will-be-tough-to-prove-and-may-imperil-good-cops/?itm_campaign=headline-testing-new-floyd-murder-charges-will-be-tough-to-prove-and-may-imperil-good-cops&itm_medium=headline&itm_source=nationalreview&itm_content=New%20Floyd%20Murder%20Charges%20Will%20Be%20Tough%20to%20Prove&itm_term=New%20Floyd%20Murder%20Charges%20Will%20Be%20Tough%20to%20Prove

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