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One fact that needs to be kept in mind in making sense of reactions to the coronavirus pandemic of 2020 is how terrifyingly hard it hit the media capital of the world, New York City, fairly early in its course. From the CDC’s website of weekly death counts. The blue bars show deaths in NYC from all causes, and the orange line an unusually bad normal week.

The expected number of deaths in the week ending April 11, 2020 in NYC was 1,042, but instead 7,862 died, more than 7 times the normal death toll. How high could it go? If this graph kept growing at the same rate as it had in the first week in April (from 2804 in the week ending March 28 to 6,296 in the week ending April 4) for another four weeks, the death toll would be 100,000 per week, or probably worse because the hospitals and undertaking industry would have been overwhelmed.

It’s important to recall the terror felt in March in the capital of the world.

As it turned out, deaths then started to fall dramatically. If I recall correctly, one New York City emergency room doctor said ambulances suddenly stopped arriving in droves on April 7 at about 1PM.

We owe a lot to New York doctors who did much to both figure out better ways to treat COVID patients and to get the word out.

 
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  1. Thomas says:

    “Gooble gobble, gooble gobble, just the flu, just the flu.”

  2. Kronos says:

    One fact that needs to be kept in mind in making sense of reactions to the coronavirus pandemic of 2020 is how terrifyingly hard it hit the media capital of the world, New York City, fairly early in its course.

    It’s another reason why mass media should be trust-busted by the Sherman anti-trust act and forced to re-locate 50% of newsrooms to rural areas. It was one of Victor Davis Hanson‘s better ideas.

    We needed less of this:

    And maybe more if this type of rural news extortion.

    • Replies: @Days of Broken Arrows
  3. anonymous[149] • Disclaimer says:

    The graph really puts into perspective how idiotic Alex Berenson is. He will tweet a skeptical take on any covid information.

  4. dearieme says:

    On what date did Governor Cuomo instruct the nursing homes to become extermination camps?

  5. Kaz says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html

    What’s crazy about New York is the sheer volume of deaths in a short amount of time.

    Other states are catching up, but it’s spread out so it’s harder to really feel the impact unless you work in a hospital.

  6. But that was before the Trump Superspreader Campaign!

    (Google News top headline story tonight via CNN)

    He dares to mock the Sacred Virus, laughing while billions die! At least that’s what Joe Biden says, and he’s just running for Congress.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @tyrone
  7. prosa123 says:

    Most of the cases now occurring are among the Orthodox and especially the Hasidim.

    • LOL: Father O'Hara
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  8. Anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    Tons of Subcon docs in New York.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  9. Anonymous[140] • Disclaimer says:

    We owe a lot to New York doctors who did much to both figure out better ways to treat COVID patients and to get the word out…

    It was Raoult in France and Zelenko in the NY hasidic community that showed the way. Are you talking about Smith et al from Ingraham show who followed their lead?

    The American medical establishment dithered but eventually flooded the zone with hydroxychloroquine (under the radar). They shamefully kept hidden from the public the true impact of this drug because of politics.

    Also the global medical establishment (slowly) realized the ventilators were the wrong path. What seemed like pneumonia was actually an autoimmune attack on the lungs.

    And by summer the strong obesity/diabetes connection was observed by many…

    There were several great individual NY doctors responsible for reductions in death rates (some appeared on the Foxnews shows) but I don’t remember the NY medical establishment as a whole or as a community leading the way on covid.

    In NY it was more like an epic fail initially and then simultaneous demonization of the few heroes who had the courage to defy the establishment. Also few mea culpas have been offered.

    And the most outrageous of all is the continued suppression of HCQ efficacy.

    OK. So we are supposed to simply not notice the mild impact of covid in tropical climate nations across the world. Places like Puerto Rico Brazil Philippines India where primitive infrastructure should’ve triggered mass die offs from this disease. But it didn’t happen because these malaria zones are saturated with HCQ.

    • Troll: Guest007
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Stebbing Heuer
    , @Guest007
  10. Let’s not lose sight that the Governor and his health minister ordered nursing homes to take active COVID patients to free up hospital beds. This wax a major driver of many of New York’s COVID-related deaths. Once the disease had raged through the weakest of the population, and after docs had figured out they were killing patients with existing protocols, only then did fatalities drop off.

    • Agree: Polynikes, Mr McKenna
  11. JimDandy says:
    @Thomas

    A highly-infectious flu that hit the NYC-hospice-crowd quick and hard?

    • Agree: Redman, Farenheit
    • Replies: @Thomas
  12. JimDandy says:

    “How high could it go? If this graph kept growing at the same rate as it had in the first week in April (from 2804 in the week ending March 28 to 6,296 in the week ending April 4) for another four weeks, the death toll would be 100,000 per week, or probably worse because the hospitals and undertaking industry would have been overwhelmed.”

    “We owe a lot to New York doctors who did much to both figure out better ways to treat COVID patients and to get the word out.”

    Or did most of the very weakest and oldest and most vulnerable die, precluding a continuation of deaths at that rate?

    • Replies: @Erik L
    , @Travis
  13. LondonBob says:
    @anonymous

    It came and it went, a fast burner, like a bad flu season in a matter of weeks not months. Berenson has been on top of covid from the start. The important thing to remember is it has gone now.

  14. We owe a lot to New York doctors who did much to both figure out better ways to treat COVID patients and to get the word out.

    And what if these two things helped only, say, 30%- and the dramatic fall is due, mostly, to the very nature of the virus we don’t know about?

    What if most- not all- ups & downs are just sheer (un)luck & unpredictability?

    • Replies: @reactionry
  15. El Dato says:

    The American medical establishment dithered but eventually flooded the zone with hydroxychloroquine (under the radar). They shamefully kept hidden from the public the true impact of this drug because of politics.

    Is there good evidence for this?

    Also a good résumé by Chrisnonymous at Epigone’s blog on going (or rather lockdowning) forward : https://www.unz.com/anepigone/twitter-is-a-publisher/#comment-4209947

    Also, is there a NYC heist going on?

    How to kill a thriving metropolis in 7 months: NYC’s Covid-19 failure is a vicious spiral directed by a sadistic political regime

    Cuomo’s “economic reopening council” is guided by private equity partners who actually make their profits off the carcasses of dead and dying businesses, so it’s no mystery why he’s eager to see restaurants and theaters crash and burn. Private equity stands to make billions on all the vacant office space and abandoned properties from city institutions forced to pull up stakes. If Cuomo does what his deep-pocketed donors tell him – he’s not called “Governor 1 Percent” by progressives for nothing – he might even get that rumored Attorney General spot he’s being reportedly considered for in a Democratic Joe Biden administration. And perhaps de Blasio – despite never polling above 0.1 percent during the 2020 primaries – actually thinks he has a shot at the governor role.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
  16. El Dato says:
    @HammerJack

    Media a shit.

    This is also not how “superspreader” is supposed to be used

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/06/15/1003576/whats-a-coronavirus-superspreader/

    As we learn more about how the coronavirus spreads between people, there’s more evidence to suggest that most infections are transmitted by a select few individuals we call “superspreaders.” Here’s what a superspreader is, the role these people play in transmitting the virus, and what we’re trying to do about it.

    “Peaceful infraspreader events, however, are entirely ok.”

  17. So once again, the media proves it really can’t be trusted to objectively report a story.

    • Replies: @A Bloke
  18. @Kronos

    Great idea on the media trust-busting.

    It would not be needed, though, had Bill Clinton not signed the 1996 Telecommunication Act into law. This piece of legislation had a devastating effect on local news. It overturned longtime anti-monopoly laws and allowed big newspapers to buy up community papers and even city papers.

    It also had an effect on radio and TV. When people complain that media bias has increased, a big reason for that is that there are fewer voices in legacy media. And although the internet had an eroding effect on media, the 1996 Telecommunications Act is also very much to blame.

    • Agree: sayless
    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Jay Fink
  19. Anon[546] • Disclaimer says:

    And all media criticism of the Trump adminstration should acknowledge that, after Trump’s China visitor ban, the two most effective things that could have been done to combat coronavirus in the United States would have been:

    1. The total shudown of New York/New Jersey airports, at least for foreign arrivals.

    2. Strict internal border controls around the metropolitan New York area (as was done in Italy, and recall the NYT report on big data analysis of cell phones finding massive flight from NYC).

    These were arguably state/city level moves, with some federal cooperation. Did the governor or mayor do anything? No.

    Seriously, if Trump had said the airports are shut, such and such counties are in quarantine, and we’ll help with the national guard or military… seriously … what would have happened? What would New York politicians have said? The New York Times? The New Yorker? Twitter?

    I’m guessing fascist, totalitarianism, Hitler, etc., would have figured in the responses.

    • Agree: Anon 2
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Justvisiting
    , @Travis
    , @res
  20. Mr. Anon says:
    @Thomas

    “Gooble gobble, gooble gobble, just the flu, just the flu.”

    You COVID-hysterics are ignorant morons.

  21. Anon[546] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Fighting Racism Instead of Disease: The intrusion of critical race theory into medicine and public health threatens the well-being of all Americans—especially nonwhites.

    https://www.city-journal.org/fighting-racism-instead-of-disease

    … a September 10 article in the Journal of the American Medical Association by three doctors at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York identified another possibility: racial differences in levels of TMPRRS2, a protein in cell membranes that many viruses, including coronaviruses, use to gain access to cells …

    … dozens of Twitter users who advertised their academic credentials in medicine and public health accused the journal and the study’s authors—all nonwhite, and one a black woman—of racism …

    … “blaming and rings of eugenics” … “a) retract this paper and b) invite an editorial on why publishing articles like this in the first place is a terrible idea” … “Do you have someone [with] a background in critical race theory? Repeatedly publishing articles that use race as biology seems to indicate you could use more expertise in that area.” … “Race IS NOT genetic” … “It is 2020. This is unacceptable. Race is a social NOT biologic construct” …

    … Critical race theory in medicine and public health, based on a misunderstanding of the concept of race and an inflexible, unfalsifiable dogma of systemic racism, is a huge obstacle to understanding health problems among racial minorities. A public health and medical profession that follows critical race theory will waste time chasing down phantom racism while overlooking genetic and biological factors that could be addressed immediately …

    Will JAMA restract this and subject themselves to a ritual apology and stuggle session? Will there be an issue of JAMA published in the next six months devoted to how medicine should be (biologically and genetically) colorblind? Will heads roll on the JAMA board? Seriously, you have JAMA, Lancet, and the New England Journal of Medicine as the top three medical journals. NEJM seems to be holding down the fort so far, but Lancet seems to be well along in wokeness (as well as clickbaitiness). Now it’s time for JAMA to show its mettle. These are the journals that a lot of normal physicians read who don’t have the time to read a ton of stuff.

  22. Mr. Anon says:

    We owe a lot to New York doctors who did much to both figure out better ways to treat COVID patients and to get the word out.

    What about the doctors and nurses who essentially killed patients by mixing up infected and non-infected patients and/or mindlessly putting them on ventillators. Or selfishly put them on ventilators, to limit the spread to them, regardless of whether or not it was good for the patient.

    Honestly, the medical profession, and especially the public health profession, doesn’t come off looking so good from all of this. Then of course there is Il Douche, Andrew Cuomo, who condemned thousands of people to die in nursing and care homes. Back in March, he was saying “Your mother is not expendable. My mother is not expendible.” By late April, when it was pointed out to him that thousands of New Yorkers had died in nursing homes (because of his policies) he said “Hey, people die.” The nicest thing I can think to say about that grinning gargoyle of a man is that he is a worthless POS.

  23. Anon[241] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve always thought that the realities of psychology and social and political behavior make it impossible for normal political institutions to react effectively to things like nuclear accidents and viral pandemics. My idea is that there should be trained and rehearsed “special forces” on tap to take over from the politicians in such circumstances.

    For instance, upon the triggering of certain circumstances a trained quasimilitary group would take over a Fukushima or Chernobyl like accident and just do all the hard stuff that politicians don’t really want to be blamed for. At Fukushima a lot of woe would have been spared had they just blown small holes in the reactor buildings and vented radioactive air right at the beginning, rather than waiting for the whole stucture to explode from the built-up gas. The amount of radiation would not be significant on the population level, but no politician can bring himself to make that decision.

    Similarly in pandemics, business shutdowns, quarantines, border closures, temporary corporate takeovers, and the like, could be left up to a trained group that has wargamed out all of this stuff.

    Legally, I would imagine a law establishing these organizations, putting them in charge, upon a defined trigger, over politicians for a set period of time in making certain sorts of decisions, with the option that the legislature could vote to change the law and take back control at any time. My feeling is that most politicians would welcome not having to take the blame for all the hard decisions that these quasi-war situations require. These always end up to be choices between the really bad decision and the much worse decision.

  24. These numbers- CDC Sourced, really need no comment (and, thus, get none)

    TOTAL U.S. DEATHS (ALL CAUSES)
    YEAR TOTAL DEATHS U.S. DEATHS/MONTH REFERENCE
    2020 2,838,000* 236,000 CDC DATA CDC DATA
    2019 2,855,000 238,000 CDC DATA
    2018 2,839,205 237,000 CDC DATA
    2017 2,813,503 234,000 CDC DATA

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/10/no_author/771239-2/

  25. @Bardon Kaldian

    Re “(un)luck” – someone earlier beat me to the punch by posting a luck/Gluck pun/cognate, but might as well now note that “luck” (as in “stochastic”) is given an honorable mention in The Atlantic piece below.

    [Caution: the following is rife with superspreading of pointless loose associations – hip boots advised]

    “K” and “r” are well known to iSteve readers from studies of reproductive selection strategies and many in the general public are, of course, at least somewhat familiar with “R0,” but “k” also seems to be a thingee. I haven’t followed Covid 19 that closely and have missed entire threads here, but this appears worth skimming or reposting:

    https://www.google.com/search?ei=DWCFX_yTI4yrtQbJsKK4DQ&q=Coronavirus+R0+k&oq=Coronavirus+R0+k&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIJCAAQyQMQFhAeOg4IABDqAhC0AhCaARDlAjoFCAAQkQI6BQgAELEDOggIABCxAxCDAToCCAA6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOgQILhBDOgoIABCxAxCDARBDOgQIABBDOggILhCxAxCDAToHCC4QsQMQQzoCCC46DAgAELEDEIMBEAoQQzoFCAAQyQNQpbMvWNCmMGDPqjBoBHAAeACAAb4BiAHwC5IBBDE4LjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6sAEGwAEB&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwi8zpynjrHsAhWMVc0KHUmYCNcQ4dUDCA0&uact=5

    [MORE]

    And, no, “looking backward”* ain’t just a book by Bellamy.**

    * see link for “backward tracing” in the The Atlantic article -://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-25/these-elite-contact-tracers-show-the-world-how-to-beat-covid-19
    ** Bellamy – also see “Rumpsey Dumpsey, Rumpsey Dumpsey, Colonel Johnson killed Tecumseh,” Rumpelstiltskin, Rumpelstiltskin, White-eyes had the gall to skin**** a Redskin, Heap Big Veep –
    Hubert Humphrey, Hubert Humphrey, Biden bats in Belfry
    **** https://www.google.com/search?ei=JmOFX5iFCoeP9PwPsoGHkAY&q=Tecumseh+skinned&oq=Tecumseh+skinned&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoOCAAQ6gIQtAIQmgEQ5QI6BQgAEJECOgsILhCxAxDHARCjAjoICAAQsQMQgwE6BAgAEEM6CAguELEDEIMBOgIILjoICC4QxwEQowI6DggAELEDEIMBEMkDEJECOgUILhCxAzoFCAAQsQM6CAguEMcBEK8BOgsILhCxAxDHARCvAToCCAA6EAguELEDEIMBEMkDEEMQkwI6BQgAEMkDOggILhDJAxCTAjoOCC4QxwEQrwEQyQMQkwI6BggAEBYQHjoJCAAQyQMQFhAeOgUIIRCgAVCxEFiNSWDUSmgBcAB4AIABbogBtgqSAQQxMy4zmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdperABBsABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiYsJShkbHsAhWHB50JHbLAAWIQ4dUDCA0&uact=5
    gall, Gaul, whatever https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_Gaul

  26. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    “And the most outrageous of all is the continued suppression of HCQ efficacy.” – No suppression. HCQ just doesn’t help.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Mr. Anon
  27. Thoughts says:

    Is this post a joke? I think Steve is just being sarcastic.

    The minority doctors/nurses were killing people and the people were murdered in the nursing homes

    The only interesting thing about NY is the Hasidic population but they don’t seem to care or want the lockdowns

  28. Mike Tre says:
    @dearieme

    Exactly. One thing to keep in mind is Sailer’s disappointing assessment of this entire debacle, and his unwillingness to concede that this entire affair has been an opportunistic overreaction by our despicable ruing class.

    We have yet to feel the full negative impact of shutting down our economy and further instilling a culture of fear and loathing upon an already divided society.

  29. @Bill Jones

    … and just for the record here, Bill Sardi’s asterisk indicates that the monthly rate is from an average of 9 months (through the end of September ’20). I’d have thought his yearly rate was just 12 x that, but he’s off inexplicably by 6,000, pretty insignificant, no matter what the reason.

    • Replies: @Joe Data
  30. utu says:
    @Anon

    When Rhode Island wanted to stop cars with NY plates Cuomo threatened to sue them:

    Cuomo threatens to sue RI over new policy to find New Yorkers in the state
    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490019-cuomo-threatens-to-sue-ri-over-new-coronavirus-policy-targeting-ny

    so Rhode Island extended the order to all out of state visitors
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/rhode-island-reverses-order-make-york-visitors-quarantine/story?id=69862605

  31. Death by heart disease rose to 389% of the normal rate in NYC in March / April/ May because of CO-19; and that is just one example

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2767980

    From the Deutesches Ärzteblatt (German Medical Dotor’s Journal)

    https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/114349/USA-Uebersterblichkeit-uebertrifft-die-Zahl-der-gemeldeten-Todesfaelle-an-COVID-19

    As a matter of fact in most states an 89% rise of deaths caused by heart-diseases and 39% increase caused by strokes. In the city of New York, heart-disease deaths rose 398% and diabetes deaths 356 %.Quite a few deaths were caused by Hydroxichloroquine treatments too.

    (US-numbers numbers from March, April and May 2020)

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Redman
  32. @Mr. Anon

    What about the doctors and nurses who essentially killed patients by mixing up infected and non-infected patients and/or mindlessly putting them on ventillators. Or selfishly put them on ventilators, to limit the spread to them, regardless of whether or not it was good for the patient.

    As the saying goes”Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement”.

  33. I agree that this media-capital-of-the-world factor was a part of the hysteria spread to the rest of the country faster than a COVID germ can hop from doorknob to doorknob. That’s a good observation.

    New York City is the place where the most Chinese people in the country live, who, in the many tens of thousands, were traveling back and forth to the old (new?) country for Chinese New Years, is a 3rd world Tower of Babel*, and is the most crowded to begin with. Do you think this Tower of Babel effect doesn’t apply inside the hospitals? The doctors can be top notch, but when the nurses and techs (AND some of the doctors) can barely communicate with each other and are not on the same page attitude-wise, you’re not going to have a crack M*A*S*H* unit.

    You give all this credit to these healthcare “heroes”, but I don’t. Those hospitals became even more 3rd-Worldly messes and the care suffered drastically for those who were already weak. No doubt, tens of thousands of more people were brought into hospitals weekly. Did they all need to be brought in for treatment? This would make it hard to take care of anybody, COVID or not, very well.

    I see the total death numbers for those terrible weeks in April. I don’t have any confidence that they are all from the COVID rather than from old and very unfit people being in very overcrowded hospitals without good treatment in a Tower of Babel. The doctors or coroners, with much encouragement from the media in this media capital with the Story of the Century, had so many incentives to mark deaths as being from the COVID, rather than from old people with complications.

    .

    * Yes, plus the idiotic Governor factor with this sending people back into nursing homes to infect more people with very weak systems.

    • Agree: peterike
  34. JMcG says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “Il Douche” is perfect. Thank you.

    • Agree: kaganovitch, slumber_j
  35. @Anonymous

    Thanks for this.

    The suppression of the good news about HCQ is an unspeakable crime.

  36. Guest007 says:

    For everyone who is claiming that the peak just represents deaths that would have occurred in the same time frame, where is the valley on the right side of the peak. After the peak, the deaths went back no the pre-covid-19 base line but did not go lower. If all of the deaths were hospice patiens who died a few weeks early, where is the valley.

    Once again, the contrarians have made the Covid-19 response harder, less effective, and more partisan.

  37. Guest007 says:
    @Anonymous

    Brazil has been hit harder than the U.S. One of the reaons being that Brazil is one of the few countries that has a president more incompetent that then President of the U.S.

  38. tyrone says:
    @HammerJack

    RIGHT!…….ventilators ,PPE, testing, therapeutics ,8 vaccines going to trial ….all in less than a year……Herculean!…….how anyone could vote for crypt keeper and that “monster” is beyond me….OH, and he beat covid in what, a week?(warp-speed)…….vote Trump ,God will smile on us.

  39. SFG says:

    It’s a *novel* coronavirus. You’d expect the doctors not to know how to treat it.

    One of the smarter things I remember coming out of Slate Star Codex before the guy killed the blog was the discussion about what time it was best to catch the new bug (assuming it couldn’t be avoided). Some people argued you wanted to catch it at the beginning or at the end because in the middle the hospital systems were overloaded and you wouldn’t get proper treatment. Someone else pointed out at the beginning the doctors didn’t know how to treat it yet, so end was best.

  40. SFG says:
    @Anon

    The NEJM endorsed Biden.

    I have to say with this coronavirus death toll I don’t really blame them. But academic medicine is pretty woke these days.

    It’s a real problem when the same people we depend on to invent new drugs and software are the ones pushing this PC BS. For a while they kept this crap out of the hard sciences, but the infection has spread.

    Shutting down the universities would probably kill the spread of PC, but we can definitely look to China jumping ahead of us in a few years.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @AnotherDad
  41. I agree with this post. If the deaths had kept going up to 100000 per week, we would have had to do a Wuhan-style lockdown with much stricter controls on movement.

    From a political perspective, that would have been better, because there would have been less conflict over the legality of orders. But of course, fewer deaths is better.

  42. @Mike Tre

    • Agree

    I am trying to stay out of this, because I regret one mean comment I made about it months ago. Steve did not deserve it.

    [MORE]

    But here he comes, posting a graph that shows an outlier peak. Imagine if that graph had kept growing! Assume it could have!

    Winter is coming, and flu season, so we are guaranteed to see spikes and jumps in various “coronavirus” deaths. What that graph does is prepare us to interpret upcoming increases as alarming trends that could continue and cause all those imaginary deaths referred to.

    The fact is, that was an outlier. I am only a midwit, but don’t statisticians like Steve usually take extreme outliers OUT of their data? Because outliers are not representative of the whole or the curve.

    Already here in this comment section intelligent readers have put forth rational questions and suggestions for that sharp spike. Indeed, when did Cuomo send Covid cases to old folks homes — and why did he do that, BTW? Has any “noticer” or investigative “journalist” tried to find out?

    “The Capital of the World” has levels of corruption resembling that world it supposedly leads. Covid numbers in New York should be highly suspicious. Fed dollars go with every case, and East Coast thug bureaucrats are artists at fudging numbers and shoving them over in to the columns that help them stick their pig snouts into the public trough.

    My funny bone wants to half-wonder if Steve and Ron are CIA assets like half of everyone else in media. Both of them have performed reprehensibly on this one subject, and now Steve seems to be preparing us for more fear as flu season approaches. Let’s thank those doctors in New York! (And hang on for that rushed, highly profitable $$$ vaccination you WILL take.)

    Now, for my own take: Imagine if media and government and statistical brainiacs applied the same alarm, the same sensationalism, and the same nerdy analyses to any given flu season? You know what, people would be terrified at all the deaths and spikes in case numbers. They would willingly wear masks everywhere and avoid gathering. You could restrict their movement. Do you know why? Because any given year provides the same opportunity.

    This works the same way the George Floyd thing does, or the Trayvon Martin thing did, and all the others, thus: There is always a steady supply of stories and events you can use to alarm the public for your purposes. All you have to do is pick one and create your campaign. Think about it. It’s like creating your own pattern by picking and choosing what you need out of random noise.

    With all due respect, of course. We admire and respect our host and the publisher.

    BTW take a good look at all the people, in the White House and everywhere else, who have caught this virus and are fine, often asymptomatic. The vast majority of people who get this do fine. In any given year, people die from flus or even from colds that turn into pneumonia — while most people go on with their lives.

    The cost of the shutdowns and restrictions on movement and association, plus the training effect on the sheeple, far outweighs any benefit, if there has been one at all.

  43. Jay Fink says:
    @Days of Broken Arrows

    It killed radio. A few companies. Especially Clear Channel/iheartradio bought all the stations, eliminated live and local personalities, ran everything on automation and greatly increased the commercial load. The product is terrible and time spent listening has declined drastically.

  44. clyde says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Indeed, when did Cuomo send Covid cases to old folks homes — and why did he do that, BTW? Has any “noticer” or investigative “journalist” tried to find out?

    There was tremdous fear by Cuomo and his advisors that the hospitals would be overwhelmed. So they cleared out the elderly Covid cases into the nursing homes. *However* NYC and NY actually had loads of extra capacity due to the hospital ship Trump sent to NYC harbor, a few Army field hospitals set up plus the Javits Convention Center was set up to take a tide of Corona patients. Cuomo refused to the utilize this extra capacity the Feds paid for. Why? Because it would make Donald Trump look good.
    Thus those elderly deaths came because of evil Democrat party politics.

    • Thanks: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @David
  45. AndrewR says:

    capital of the world

    Shut up

  46. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: One of the best political cartoons of the last decade: https://pbfcomics.com/comics/deeply-held-beliefs/

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @res
  47. @dearieme

    On what date did Governor Cuomo instruct the nursing homes to become extermination camps?

    Exactly. And the Democrats treat this guy as a hero.

    And again where’s Trump? Once again the intellectual laziness and verbal incompetence of Trump is putting our lives and future at risk.

    The Democrats are hanging the Xi virus around his neck. And to be fair i’d give him a “C”. But the j’accusers went from “Xenophobia is the greatest threat” and “Go hug a Chinaman” to “killer golf ! killer parks!, killer beaches!” and “don’t leave your house” (and under their breath: “screw your small business”) and their dynamic hero’s great executive management was slaughtering NY’s old people in nursing homes to avoid “discrimination”.

    Trump can’t find a way to say that? To make the “they suck and you can’t trust ’em” case. To point out your life, your health, your interests” will always be 2nd banana to their ideology of “discrimination evil!” and gobbling up more and more power for themselves? Does the man not have advisors? writers?

    • Thanks: Old Prude
  48. @Guest007

    Look at Bill Sardi’s (of Lew Rockwell) numbers via Bill Jones here. A few weeks earlier, or a few months earlier?

    Once again, the contrarians have made the Covid-19 response harder, less effective, and more partisan.

    Oh contrarian, Guest007. The response was a Totalitarian, economy-wrecking nightmare. The politics were in making this huge ridiculous response to begin with, for reasons we can all speculate on.

    Contrarians would rather our society (not I did NOT say government) have not treated this as the Black Plague 2.0, but just another, albeit possibly nastier, strain of new virus coming out of the Orient.

    You people!

    • Replies: @Guest007
  49. Anonymous[407] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kaz

    Your primary impact if you work at a hospital was getting laid off or hoping to survive the layoffs.

  50. Dan Smith says:

    It helped to stop putting everyone on ventilators.

    • Agree: Not Raul
  51. Old Prude says:
    @Thomas

    Hey looky. There was something happened last March. Better keep on the face diapers and keep the oldsters locked up, like FOREVER. Cluck, cluck, cluck…

  52. unit472 says:

    There seems to be good empirical evidence that certain prophylactic steps can be taken to reduce the spread. Miami Dade was accounting for over 25% of infections in Florida for most of the summer although it represents about 12.5% of the state population. The mayor instituted a curfew and shut down the bars and now Miami Dade case load has normalized. The Governor of Iowa let the bars reopen but backtracked a few weeks ago and, finally, Iowa is seeing its new infections drop now. I don’t know what in the hell is going on in North and South Dakota. It would seem hard to get infected in such sparsely populated states but it is out of control there so someone should find out.

    Then there is the Navajo nation. 173,000 people spread out over New Mexico and Arizona. Yesterday the Navajo reported 6 deaths versus 4 amongst the almost 10 million people in Arizona and New Mexico! Its not as if the Navajo don’t have access to good doctors as many have come in from our best university medical centers to help but the spread of the virus seems relentless on the Navajo reservation with over 10,700 cases (571 of which have been fatal) as of yesterday,

    OTOH I watched as Leon and Alachua Counties in Florida reported huges spike in infections last month.Of course these are the locations of the Florida State and the University of Florida and students were tested as they returned for classes. Not exactly a ‘health crisis’ as the students don’t get sick so not all outbreaks are created equal.

  53. Polynikes says:
    @AnotherDad

    He’s trying. I’d agree he hasn’t been successful, but I’m not sure there’sa god answer for him. It’s being hung around all Republican’s necks because people are scared. And scared people are irrational. Take our own blog host. One of the most rational and intelligent blogs on the internet (for my money) was gripped by the hysteria for a bit. Now factor in the average person is not nearly as intelligent or rational and you can understand that hysteria.

    Polls continue to show that peeler would rather be locked down by someone like Cuomo than actually follow the science. Telling people that some things like viruses are a fact of life and to stay strong and weather the storm isn’t a politically viable answer these days.

  54. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    This comic is deeply anti-Semitic.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  55. @Anonymous

    Right. Where a family member works as a nurse, they still had 4 out of a class of 11 residents furloughed from the one branch of the big complex till just recently.

    No family members or friends can visit their sick or dying loved ones. Still!

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  56. Polynikes says:
    @Kaz

    It seems more and more like lockdowns kill. They increase the main vector of spread which is in the home. Additionally, the panic caused them to send nursing home patients—the high risk category that needed hospital care the most—back to their homes to spread it more, because panicky fools had everybody afraid we didn’t have hospital capacity.

    On top of that, it seems NYC hospitals did an awful job (not an exceptional one like Sailer claims). There are reports that they were placing people on ventilators (which we now know possibly lead to more deaths) as a preventative measure to protect the doctors.

    New York was hit hard, but they also proved to be a master class in what not to do.

    • Replies: @Travis
    , @sayless
  57. @SFG

    The NEJM endorsed Biden.

    I have to say with this coronavirus death toll I don’t really blame them. But academic medicine is pretty woke these days.

    Huh?

    If Coronavirus deaths is your metric how could you possibly endorse a Democrat? No matter how bad you think Trump was–and i’d given him a “C”–the Democrats were a disaster.

    — NYC Democrats were doing this fight racism and go out and celebrate Chinese New Year.
    — Nancy Pelosi told everyone to go visit Chinatown. (This was a week after i was sitting with AnotherMom discussing whether to cancel an overseas family trip. The news was out there the threat clear. And a week before Trump–belatedly–closed entrance to Chinese or foreigners recently in China.)
    — Cuomo’s nursing home slaughter because not doing it would be “discrimination”.
    — Nonsense like shutting down golf, beaches, parks which had basically zero scientific basis and could not be maintained long term. (I mean pick one–either it is “shut it all down” and then open back up, or you put in place reasonable, maintainable policies for battling for months.)
    — Killing small business … just because. Jay Inslee ordered construction businesses like my brother’s to shut down–AnotherBrother couldn’t work on the house he’s building for month, client’s in limbo–while public construction … well that was ok! (“Light rail is critical … people’s houses not so much.)
    — Everyone stay home … unless fighting racism!!! If “fighting racism” then come on out to the streets together thousands strong!

    Trump–for all his faults–has basically been right about the severity of this thing. The Democrats have been back and forth like yo-yos but with a clear pattern: yelling about “racism!” and “xenophobia!” and “discrimination!” and/or accreting more power to the state outranks fighting the virus or American’s lives and health.

    • Agree: Dissident, Mark G.
    • Replies: @Kaz
    , @HammerJack
  58. @unit472

    Maybe alcohol kills this stuff (regarding the Navajos)?

    Regarding the students, at a nearby university there were well over 1,000 cases among the students 1 1/2 months ago. Number of hospitalizations: …. drumroll … ZERO. Along with this, I wonder if your “bars in Iowa” part involves university towns too. So what if you’ve got a case. I got a case of the cold a few times from riding my motorcycle in the rain. I had a case of the Mondays yesterday. Did I go in to the doctor? I didn’t kill myself via starvation because rainy days and Mondays always get me down either. (Still commenting, so believe you me…)

    Regarding the mask wearing again, because I am required to wear one in certain places, and my being one of Jerry’s Kids, I purchased a nice one with a “Steal Your Face” logo. Peak Stupidity says “Accessorize, Accessorize, Accessorize!”. (I used to get Cosmo magazine by mistake over the years, and I did learn something while looking at the girly pictures.)

    • Replies: @sayless
  59. JR Ewing says:
    @El Dato

    Newsom is doing something similar in California. In addition to the specious “positivity” and “community spread” and “cases” etc etc, one of their metrics for “reopening” is that county and city governments have to show they have plans for “community investment” and “equity commitment”.

    In other words, it’s a protection racket.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  60. @SFG

    It’s a real problem when the same people we depend on to invent new drugs and software are the ones pushing this PC BS. For a while they kept this crap out of the hard sciences, but the infection has spread.

    No it’s not really the “same people”.

    The people actually writing software that run our computers and phones and cars and … everything else … are overwhelmingly white and Asian males. There’s a lot of libertarianism and typical liberalism sprinkled around but only a small fringe are the “woke”. The wokies are all the girls around and management and people responsible for “image”.

    I’m not familiar with drug research, but i’d imagine it skews more female, but nonetheless has the same pattern. The people who actually do the work and make the discoveries skew much more male and normal, the woke hysterics skew female and non-essential and “corporate”.

    Most of the quacking about medical studies that look at genes and race comes from people in “public health”.

    “Public health” is now female infested by the “girls with BAs” who decided that getting an MPH and a soft job in “public health” seemed like a good “career” … “career” being what young women are supposed to do in America instead of finding a husband and having children. And, of course, like any bullshit field it’s now chock full of minoritarian propaganda and the young women lap it up like kittens at a bowl of milk … and dutifully spew it back out. Nuking the whole field of “public health” would be no net loss and actually improve the public health of Americans.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  61. Redman says:
    @anonymous

    No. It really doesn’t.

    I live in NYC and went through the pandemic. Both my father and I got Covid on 3/10. What we didn’t know at the time was how much of NYC had already been infected by the end of March. We probably will never know precisely. There were almost no tests for it back then.

    Berenson never said AFAIK that CV wasn’t a bad flu. One that hits old people (particularly those in nursing homes) hard. He has been clear that it poses next to no risk to people 50 and under. That’s still the case and all the NYC stats show that.

    • Agree: Polynikes
  62. @Kaz

    NYC really did face medical system collapse. It does not face that now. The lockdown MIGHT have been justified in NYC. Not in most other places which never faced medical system collapse.

    Interesting is the doctor’s comment that the emergency ended on April 7th. Maybe the lockdown did that. It has destroyed NYC as a diversified economy, of course, and that is unambiguously true. Whether that was worth the lives saved is a question for debate. The WHO now no longer thinks so, citing a doubling in world poverty in six months as a result of the lockdowns.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  63. @Kaz

    What’s crazy about New York is the sheer volume of deaths in a short amount of time.

    Other states are catching up,

    Not really. Texas and California have both passed New Jersey, with Texas having 17,000 deaths and California having 16,591 deaths. New Jersey has 16,175 deaths. New York is sitting at the top with over 32,000 deaths to the China Flu.

    Texas and California both have had over 800,000 cases compared to New York’s 480,000. It will take awhile for either Texas or California to catch New York for deaths.

  64. @Guest007

    How do you rate the competency of the rulers of Belgium and the Netherlands? The ruler of New Jersey, which has the highest COVID death toll per capita in the USA?

    • Replies: @Guest007
    , @utu
  65. @unit472

    … on the Navajo reservation with over 10,700 cases (571 of which have been fatal)…

    First, numbers like this mean nothing unless we know the characteristics of those who died. 571/10,700 roughly equals 5%. That’s a high percentage, but you know what? How many elderly and sick people are there in any given population? Easily 5%, probably much more. And how many uncounted cases are there? Those would bring down the calculated death rate.

    Again, these statistics mean nothing unless accompanied by descriptions or numbers about WHO is dying.

    It’s been a while, but I hitchhiked and backpacked my way around the Navajo Reservation. They were always happy to pick me up in their trucks when I stuck my thumb out. In my recollection, many of them still lived in traditional hogans.

    Close quarters. Others lived in modest, small homes. Remember, they are poor people.

    I also think they are some of the coolest people on Earth.

    Families of Navajos live in close quarters, generations living together. If one catches a virus, they all will. Furthermore, does anyone have statistics about how many Navajos die from other viruses in other years?

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @unit472
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  66. Redman says:
    @Bill Jones

    I saw this posted on LR too. But how can the CDC still be posting that there are 12% excess deaths for 2020 in the US as of last week? Is this a rolling 12-month average?

    It’s hard to reconcile this post with that 12% figure for the first 42 weeks of 2020.

  67. Redman says:
    @Dieter Kief

    What deaths were “caused by Hydroxychloroquine”? Just curious because I hadn’t heard anyone opine that the drug actually caused death. Although it did have certain side effects for some.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  68. @Guest007

    There’s so much accidental deception in where the media chooses to focus. Brazil is not an outlier for South or Central America.

    • Replies: @Guest007
  69. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Excellent post. Anyone still prone to hysteria has lost their critical thinking skils.

    Steve, you asked at the beginning of this what supplements people would recommend. Did you take up any of those suggestions? Did you adjust your diet and lifestyle at all to improve your immune system?

    If not, it’s hard for me to feel sorry for anyone who still feels concerned about this virus.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  70. Reportedly, many otherwise sick people stayed away from hospitals.

    It has saved their lives.

    The inflated number of deaths due to the virus should be reduced by the opportunity benefit of the (deliberately uncounted) number of deaths avoided.

  71. AndrewR says:
    @AnotherDad

    I definitely wouldn’t assume that all his advisors and writers are highly competent. But it doesn’t matter much anyway, since Trump is an impulsive moron with a very low attention span. I don’t know how anyone can work for him. I would be fired the first week after angrily cussing him out. I can’t imagine the levels of spinelessness and tolerance for frustration and abuse that are needed to work for him.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  72. RVS says:
    @Bill Jones

    The claim that total deaths for 2020 will be less than 2019 is bunk. Here is the proof. I accept that total deaths in 2019 were 2,855,000. In a 52 week year that makes an average of 54,900 deaths per week. According to the CDC not a single week in 2020 has had a death count that low. The peak week was April 11th with 78,919 deaths. It is impossible that 2020 will have a lower death count than 2019.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

  73. @dearieme

    The order from the NYS department of health went out on March 25.

  74. Guest007 says:
    @TomSchmidt

    The New Jersey governor has not been very good. However, there is a difference between getting hit hard in March 2020 when everyone was learning and getting hit hard in September and October when everyone knows what it takes to slow Covid-19 down and limit the spread.

    The Netherlands at 387 deaths per million is doing better than 31 states in the U.S. but the Netherlands is facing a severe second surge now. I guess they did not learn.

    It is surprising that North Carolina and Washington state have done well for larger states versus some similar size states. Those two states are more comparable to the very rural states than have had low spread and low deaths.

  75. JimDandy says:
    @Guest007

    So, are you arguing that the dead that created the spike were a genuine cross-section of the city–healthy young-adults, babies, the non-obese, middle-aged joggers, etc? Or, aside from an occasional anomaly, were the dead the old and the sick?

    From the start, the response should have been to segregate to most vulnerable and allow everyone else to go about their business, with certain degrees of caution. That was the contrarian view then, but the “experts” are starting to slink into camp. And if ventilator-contrarians had been listened to earlier, perhaps that spike would have been lower.

    • Agree: prosa123, Mr McKenna
  76. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    You’ve said that before.

    Unfortunately, its hard to know. A doctor would have to be suicidal to give you HCQ today, against the medical literature, the CDC, etc. My own doctor first gave it out, then backpedaled in June. And there’s more than one way to tackle the beast, so Ivermectin, heparin, antiinflammatories, corticoids, antibiotics and antivirals are used, along with oxygen. I know that they are using Pulmiccort, for example, a corticoid I used for my youngest pre-asthmatic condition. Why would a doctor even take the risk of pushing HCQ?

    However, I sent to a whatsapp group an article “a morality tale”, and mentioned that HCQ was widely discredited. Six persons jumped to say they and their families had done very well with HCQ. This was in June or July. There seemed to be a consensus (of around six, well) that discrediting HCQ was a pro-vaccine move. Perhaps it was an anti-big mouthTrump move, or both.

    I have not been able to get new info about Raoult, and whether he is still treating with HCQ at his Marseille hospital, and what his numbers are. Not in english, not in french. If you have links about HCQ not working, will you kindly post it?

  77. David says:
    @clyde

    The order to the nursing homes was given March 25. The Javits Center field hospital opened on a small scale a week later. The hospital ship didn’t arrive in NYC until the very end of April. It was likely a stupid order for Cuomo to give but the other capacity you describe wasn’t available.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  78. Guest007 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    First, citing someone who is a Covid-19 truther, a gold bug, and a 5G truther as an expert on Covid-19 does not help anyone credibility.

    Second, it is Covid-19 that destroyed the economy. New York City is hurt by the absence of European and Middle Eastern Tourist. Letting Covid-19 spread faster and wider does not fix that problem. The airlines are suffering from lower tourism, no convention business, and less business travel. Having 3k death a day does not fix that. 50% of Americans say that they will not go to a shopping mall. Having people refuse to wear masks or take precautions does not fix that.

    When anyone talks about the economy, I have come to realize that what they really mean is that they are pissed about not being able to go to bars and drink. If anthropologists would study the Covid-19 truthers or the MAGA hat wearing anti-maskers at the Trump rallies, those anthropologist would probably discover the only form of recreation those people have is drinking and getting drunk.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  79. utu says:
    @TomSchmidt

    One should not jump too fast to conclusions when comparing countries’ deaths totals per capita. First of all the dividing line between “the death of virus” and “the death with virus” lays in a different place in different countries. For instance if Germany used Belgium’s classification it would have much higher death rate. While Sweden has about seven fold higher death rate per capita than neighboring Nordic countries that had much more strict countermeasures one may suspect that Sweden still undercounted their deaths by any standards. See the Sweden’s Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell statement reported on April 3:

    https://archive.fo/seBhv#selection-981.0-981.230
    The Swedes believe that changing how the figures are reported will cut the number of people dying from coronavirus by as much as four fifths, and slash the death rate to well below 1 per cent, perhaps even lower than seasonal flu

    So Sweden premeditated form the very beginning to push the dividing line to keep they death rate low.

    For countries with similar index of human development about 50% of variance in deaths total per capita can be explained by population density. That’s why NYC and Long Island and NJ have much higher deaths total per capita than the Upstate NY or low population density states in the West.

    Then there is the age demographics. Italy has 23% aged over 65 while Brazil has less than 9% and Nigeria has less that 3% of population aged over 65. The age dependent IFR is an exponential function of age. So basically the number of people over 65 will determine the final outcome. Countries that can protect older people by shielding them better from virus will have lower death rates. More recently in the UK much smaller fraction of old people gets infected than in the early stage of the epidemic. This might be the chief reason for much lower mortality in the second wave.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30706-4/fulltext
    Data from England show that until recently cases have been fairly evenly distributed across all ages from 20 years upwards, but by the last 2 weeks of August cases in people aged 20–39 were about ten times the number in those aged 70 or more.

    Countries that were reached by the epidemic later can be better off because a significant improvement in treatment has been occurring. The combination of better usage of ventilators and introduction of anti-inflammatory steroids could have reduced mortality by factor of more than three since March.

    There is more evidence that universal masking not only is slowing the spread of the virus (reducing R0) but also contributing to lowering the IFR as lower viral loads lead to a milder course of diseases and lower mortality.

    Slight reduction in SARS-CoV-2 exposure viral load due to masking results in a significant reduction in transmission with widespread implementation
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.13.20193508v2.full.pdf

    Masks Do More Than Protect Others During COVID-19: Reducing the Inoculum of SARS-CoV-2 to Protect the Wearer (Jul 2020)
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7393808/

    Facial Masking for Covid-19 — Potential for “Variolation” as We Await a Vaccine, The New England Journal of Medicine
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMp2026913?articleTools=true

    And then there are countries that got it right like Taiwan or New Zealand. They did not toy with the herd immunity idea and the curve flattening idea ending up in the idiot’s limbo like the UK or the US. They went for the virus elimination strategy and it seems that they have succeeded. Taiwan with population of 23 million had only 530 cases and 7 deaths. But they began to act before China did. They began to monitor incoming flights from Wuhan already on December 31, 2019. Then they went for mandatory and strictly enforced 2 weeks quarantine for new arrivals and they went for the universal masking by manufacturing one mask for every Taiwanese every two days. People spreading false rumors (it is just a flu or conspiracy) were arrested and prosecuted. 75% of Unz’s commentariat would be in jail and the epidemic would be over. Now all they have to do is to be strict about not importing the virus, who and under what condition can come to visit from abroad.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    , @Mark G.
    , @JimDandy
  80. Ragno says:
    @Mike Tre

    We have yet to feel the full negative impact of shutting down our economy and further instilling a culture of fear and loathing upon an already divided society.

    Oh but we will; if you’d asked the man in the street how he was holding up during the Depression on New Year’s Day, 1930, he’d’ve answered, “What ‘Depression’? Besides, everybody knows prosperity is just around the corner!”

    He’d have had a much darker response by 1931, and a still grimmer one by 1933. Complete economic collapse isn’t like flying planes into tall buildings, where the toll of the damage is readily apparent almost immediately. It’s slower but just as cruelly unforgiving, where every barely-leaky pipe and hairline crack in the plaster unfailingly ends in flood and fire. Just not that day, or the day after.

  81. @dearieme

    Here in PA what date did our tranny, child psychologist turned health secretary Richard Rachel Lavine yank his momma out of the nursing home? Then he..she…it… opened them up to be covid patient treatment centers. Now PA AG Josh Shapiro going after those very nursing homes for neglect. I’m sure there is some science here I am missing in all this. Kind like Go Tom Wolf making his family cabinet business necessary for the shavings end of the cabinet making. Gotta make bedding for the bunnies and guinea pigs. Pity we don’t have a Republican President and Attorney General.

  82. Aside from distorting the significance of “cases,” media COVID coverage has devolved to daily screeching over who was or wasn’t wearing a mask.

  83. Erik L says:
    @JimDandy

    Correct- the idea that it could have hit 100,000 per week probably makes no sense if you bother (which I have not) to check the available population of vulnerable people. This is also why silicon valley types freaked out – to them exponential growth goes on for years and they know how big it can get. They don’t understand that the exponent in a plague goes down rapidly

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  84. Dmon says:
    @unit472

    Don’t the Navajo’s have one of the highest obesity rates in the world? You always used to hear it’s because they evolved in an environment of scarcity, so they got really good at turning everything into stored fat. Exposed to modern junk food, they’re in trouble. Now I guess the “scientific” explanation is something about a food desert, as opposed to a desert desert, but either way, obesity/diabetes and covid apparently don’t mix very well.
    https://www.nhonews.com/news/2015/oct/13/report-native-americans-in-arizona-had-nations-hi/

  85. unit472 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The Navajo do have some special factors working against them. As they have adopted Western diets diabetes and obesity have become a major problem and, as you note, though they may have all the space in the world, their homes are small. Their geographical dispersion works against them too as they may have to drive 100 miles to go the grocery store so they share a vehicle to cut gas costs.

    I have no data but the Navajo were the epicenter of a Hanta virus outbreak a few years back. Seems wet winters drive the mice indoors and they poop in the Navajo’s laundry and that infects the people.

    In the Dakotas the Sioux Indians began a self imposed lockdown on their reservations as they weren’t taking any chances on Covid decimating them though I have not heard of any other Native American tribes with Navajo level problems.

  86. @Anon

    I was stunned that shutdowns were used in lieu of old fashioned quarantines.

    Historically quarantines were very effective, and of course they limited the economic impact to small areas.

    I know there are many here who think the whole “pandemic” is a farce.

    Even if that were totally true, this was an excellent “teaching moment” for when a real pandemic happens.

    Quarantines are the way to go, not lockdowns.

    • Agree: Corn
  87. Wilkey says:
    @Guest007

    For everyone who is claiming that the peak just represents deaths that would have occurred in the same time frame, where is the valley on the right side of the peak.

    People were (and are) still dying of COVID. It may be a while until we see the valley, but it almost certainly will come. The length of the valley, if that’s possible to measure, may give us some idea how many years of life were lost. If it’s quick and deep then COVID killed a lot of people in their last months of life. If it’s over a longer period then it shaved a few more years off the lives of its victims.

    If our society ever manages to turn down the partisan politics for more than a few minutes we’re going to have to ask what went right and what went wrong. Despite there being millions of ethnic Chinese “Americans” and “Canadians,” why the hell did our intelligence services not know more about this outbreak sooner? Why did we keep the borders open? Why did we keep the subways open? We did we allow our emergency personnel to undermine public trust by telling us that “masks don’t work,” then mandating we wear them? Why have we allowed all of our PPE to be manufactured in the land of our enemy? (Thanks globalists!) Why were we not able to get more PPE plants in this country up and running more quickly? How can we develop a protocol for rapidly discovering the best way to treat a new viral outbreak? And how do we face these outbreaks in the future (and they will come) without shutting down half the country and borrowing trillions of dollars in order to save people who are mostly at the ends of their lives?

    The economic devastation from this pandemic has been immense. Huge sectors of the economy have been carpet-bombed into oblivion, while other sectors – mostly those already controlled by zillionaires like Jeff Bezos – have grown dramatically stronger. Perhaps even worse than that is that we may have done real and permanent damage to any effort to ever bring our budget deficit under control. Not that Congress was really even trying all that hard before, but now even half-hearted attempts won’t even happen.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Guest007
  88. Jack D says:
    @Guest007

    No one (sane) is saying that ALL of the deaths were of hospice patients, but it is an absolute fact that 40% of the deaths were among nursing home patients. Hospice patients by definition only have a few weeks or months to live, but nursing home patients can linger for years (usually with very low quality of life). So we might see a dip in deaths spread out over the next 3 or 4 years but so spread out that it isn’t even noticeable. 40% of 200,000 is 80,000 and if that is spread over 40 months it’s 2,000/month and would be drowned out amid the noise of normal monthly variation.

    • Replies: @Guest007
  89. Mr. Anon says:
    @TomSchmidt

    New York City had 20% more hospital beds in 2000 than it did in 2020. They closed hospitals so that real-estate developers could get the land. NYC also closed 2 of it’s 5 morgues three years ago. That might have something to do with the bodies piling up in freezer-trucks. That, and the requirement that bodies be tested for Coronavirus (results of which could take days) before being released to funeral homes. I don’t remember any of this being reported in the media.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  90. gary says:

    1) No mention by you or your commenters/(((controllers))) of the gross
    inaccuracy of the PCR test used to generate ever increasing numbers of
    Kung Flu infections justifying new lockdowns to further crush the economy
    and freedom. Like the Great Depression ((( banksters))) are buying up
    assets for pennies on the dollar.

    2) $19,000 for each “diagnosis” of Covid for hospitals. $39,000 for each
    ventilation (death sentence for most).

    3) You need not worry about retirement. The next stage Covid vaccines
    will decimate what is left of America. Do some research Stevey. Nanotechnology
    in the vaccines will be in effect a death switch. Great boom in organ havesting
    of the young, among other Crimes Against Humanity. World is over-populated
    according to the elite like Bloomberg.

    4) Steve plays with his little fiddle while civilization crumbles.

    • Troll: Charon
  91. Polynikes says:
    @utu

    I think you’re wrong about Sweden. They counted liberally. Any death within 30 days of a positive test no matter the cause. Test positive on day 1. Recover on day 10. Die in a car crash on day 25 = covid death in Sweden.

    That’s exactly what some states are now doing in the US by matching death certs with tests to manufacture “new” covid deaths. Fortunately the CDC requires date of death, so these things can be checked. Ethical Skeptic does a nice job of tracking this.

    Back to Sweden… they can possibly audit their deaths and narrow it down to deaths “from” covid only to drive their number lower than it is.

    • Replies: @utu
  92. @Buzz Mohawk

    I gave an Indian a ride one time in the middle of the night, as his truck was broken down by the side of the road. We played with it for a couple of minutes but with no success. For the life of me, I can’t remember which western State this was in, as it was a long time ago. Yeah, he was half-way drunk too, but a nice guy, and I got him to where he could get help with the truck. I’m not sure I would do that now, even without the family with me.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  93. Jack D says:
    @Wilkey

    We now have perhaps the worst leadership class in all of American history. Decades of Affirmative Action and change in racial composition have frayed the competency of the average public health or other bureaucrats. We are many months into this crisis and you STILL can’t get PPE and you STILL can’t get test results back quickly enough to matter and there is STILL no effective contact tracing system or effective quarantine mechanism. All of the things that are key to quelling an epidemic (textbook measures that were invented by Americans but are now practiced elsewhere, like Demings quality control) are STILL not in place so the pandemic will not die out here as it has died out in other countries that still have competent leadership – it doesn’t burn with forest fire intensity, but neither are the flames put out (and they are therefore always waiting to burst out again as soon as we relax the half measures being used). And by leadership I don’t just mean Trump but our whole leadership class from top to bottom.

    Americans have an independent streak and it was always going to be hard to get them to comply with the kind of measures that are needed to quell an epidemic – Typhoid Mary kept going back to work even though they told her not to, until they finally had to lock her up. Today Typhoid Mary would be Mexican instead of Irish (Typhoid Maria) and they wouldn’t have the cojones to lock her up – that would be racist.

    Our whole society is tied up in knots – simple public construction projects that get finished in months in China take years or decades here or simply never get done and when they do get done the cost is enormous. We are really screwed. Up until now we were spared the worst effects of this because we were once so far ahead of the rest of the world. It didn’t matter that you could hardly do subway construction in NYC anymore (the new 2nd Ave. subway took 40 years to build a short line extension and cost billions) because NY already had a somewhat serviceable subway system, but with the epidemic the chickens are really coming home to roost.

    • Agree: utu, Charon
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  94. @AnotherDad

    On what date did Governor Cuomo instruct the nursing homes to become extermination camps?

    Exactly. And the Democrats treat this guy as a hero.

    As Cynthia Nixon put it during her gubernatorial primary campaign, “Vote for the homo, not the Cuomo.”

  95. Mr. Anon says:
    @utu

    No suppression. HCQ just doesn’t help.

    Upon which disgraced study are you basing that assertion?

  96. Mark G. says:
    @utu

    And then there are countries that got it right like Taiwan or New Zealand.

    It helped that these two countries were islands. In the case of Taiwan, it also helped that they were Asian. That meant they were less likely to be labeled as xenophobic racists by the media as happened when the Italian authorities banned flights from Wuhan. This fear of being called racist by instituting travel bans against China helped to slow the response of many white European countries and the U.S. early on.

    Both those countries have suffered economically from the travel bans. Whether you think it was worth it is a value judgement. The U.S. may have ended up worse off by not putting into effect travel bans and lockdowns earlier and then keeping them in place when they weren’t going to be effective and it was just a case of locking the barn door after the horse escaped. The U.S. ended with both an economic contraction and high death rates.

    There are also demographic factors that many here in the U.S. kind of gingerly step around and ignore when discussing lockdowns and mask wearing. Countries like Taiwan and New Zealand have above average IQ levels which enable the governments in those countries to explain what needs to be done and then get everyone to fall in line. Many U.S. cities have large numbers of 85 IQ blacks. Most people have very little contact with this subgroup and would be reluctant to venture into the areas they live in. I actually did this recently. We have a mask rule here in Indianapolis and I purposely went into the worst areas of town. There was not a lot of mask wearing and there were large numbers of these mask-less people hanging out in groups on streets, on porches, in stores and bars and so on. When the local government here keeps in effect a mask mandate all the white suburbanites eagerly don their masks but this is not true in the inner city. To get that to happen would require a lot of coercion. If the local police can’t get inner city blacks to stop stealing or shooting each other, it would be difficult to get them to all wear a mask all the time.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @utu
  97. Brutusale says:
    @AnotherDad

    Lo, these many years ago when I was first dating my nurse girlfriend, she was describing her job for me. She talked about working on discharge plans, where she has some interaction with staff social workers. I asked her what it was like to work with bitter upper-middle-class Jewish women with limited intellectual ability. She laughed and asked how I knew that.

    I think it was then that she decided I had a bit on the ball.

    And boy, are these women bitter. They find that their MSW is worth about 1/3 the salary of nurses with a BS.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
  98. Mr. Anon says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No family members or friends can visit their sick or dying loved ones. Still!

    How many people have died in hospitals because they didn’t have a relative there to interact with medical staff?

    • Agree: Charon
  99. Kaz says:
    @AnotherDad

    No one had a handle on how bad covid was that early. Generational-wise we as a collective nation haven’t faced something like that in over a hundred years..

    I was skeptical about the initial hysteria coming out of China too.

    Why would the NEJM support Trump, who has consistently attempted to handwave away COVID for nearly a year now.


    Trump–for all his faults–has basically been right about the severity of this thing.

    I mean it looks like you’re still in denial about it too. Everyone in the world is playing a big trick on the US to make Trump look bad.

    Fuck China, but that doesn’t excuse our bad response. Imagine if this was an actual bioweapon attack, we would be screwed.

  100. peterike says:

    If this graph kept growing at the same rate as it had in the first week in April…

    …then it would have been unlike any other respiratory illness in history. Because they all go up quickly and then come down. The super-spikiness of the above chart is simply an artifact of the long timeline.

    The US had several separate regional outbreaks, which is why the total chart for the country has several humps. But each hump behaved…. in exactly the same way. Because it always does. And we’ve known this for well over 100 years. We only “forgot” it this year.

    I will say it yet again. If there hadn’t been a media and political panic over Covid, most of you would never even have known anything special was happening. There would be some local news stories — e.g. “Flu outbreak in Queens nursing home kills 42 people” — and absolutely nothing else about life would have been different this year. Nothing.

    • Agree: Mark G., Polynikes
  101. Thomas says:
    @JimDandy

    And then turned into the worst pandemic to his the US in a century, by the number of deaths.

  102. @Brutusale

    I asked her what it was like to work with bitter upper-middle-class Jewish women with limited intellectual ability.

    It could be worse — don’t ever let your friend go into PR

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  103. Are we undergoing a casedemic and not an epidemic? Where testing is showing the previous infected and not those who are newly infected?

    I have felt that post May 31st, the lockdown was no longer necessary and is largely driven by political motivations. My take is that “Herd Immunity” effectively happens much faster with this virus as 80% of the population is naturally immune.

    Highly recommend watching this video. I look forward to hearing counter-arguments.

    Here is a long form video explanation of how COVID-19 is a severe flu outbreak, but in the end, the epidemic is acting like any other flu outbreak.

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
  104. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR

    This comic is deeply anti-Semitic.

    Hey! You are doing it!

  105. If this graph kept growing at the same rate as it had in the first week in April (from 2804 in the week ending March 28 to 6,296 in the week ending April 4) for another four weeks, the death toll would be 100,000 per week

    Yeah but this is nonsense. Not that people don’t do it all the time anyway, but it’s garbage. My favorite example of why simply extrapolating the trend into catastrophe is garbage:

    I wake up at 7:00 AM and it’s 58 degrees. By 9:00 it’s 63. By 11:00 it’s 68. By 1:00 it’s 73.

    If we extrapolate this trend (5 degrees every 2 hours), by late afternoon the day after tomorrow the ocean will boil and all life on earth will be extinct.

  106. Travis says:
    @Polynikes

    So true. Most doctors knew that ventilating patients would not help their patients. But it would protect nurses and doctors from contracting the virus.

    Studies on the benefits of ventilators demonstrate that they have never been a life saving tool. More of a tool to extract millions of dollars from Medicare. The monetary incentives to ventilate were increased fr COVID patients. Why ? Why did the federal government give financial incentives to ventilate the elderly ? Why were hospitals given financial incentives to increase the COVID death count ?

  107. If nothing else, surely the graph suggests that this is over and we can resume living our lives?

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  108. @Jack D

    I agree with your comment, except the implication that we ever needed or now do need the kind of action you suggest against yet another corona virus (i.e. cold and flu.) Aside from that, thank you for another clear observation. As you say, “We are really screwed.”

  109. JimDandy says:
    @utu

    Yes, the only fair and accurate way to do this is to list young, healthy men who die in motorcycle accidents as Covid deaths because they died with it.

  110. JimDandy says:
    @Thomas

    By the bullshit number of “deaths with” Covid combined with “deaths by” Covid.

    But you’re saying the Spanish Flu death numbers are the fake stat?

    • Replies: @Thomas
  111. Joe Data says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    For weeks 1 through 35 of 2020 (12/28/2019 through 8/29/2020), the CDC has counted 2,177,252 deaths from all causes. The count is not quite complete even for those weeks, but it won’t go up too much. That works out to an average of 272,156 deaths per month.

    If the deaths for weeks 36 to 52 this year were the same as last year, there would be a total of 3.1 million deaths in 2020. It seems likely that it will be higher, though.

    The numbers from lewrockwell.com are completely wrong.

    • Agree: res
  112. @Clifford Brown

    Lots of good info in the 2nd vid.

  113. @AnotherDad

    Democrats and leftists and government officials [redundant I know] absolutely hate small business. At any opportunity, they’ll do everything in their power to shut it down.

    They despise the notion of self-sufficiency and individual freedom. They’re infuriated by any example of independence or competence.

    They want everyone dependent on government for everything. They like total control over everyone.

    • Agree: Travis
  114. @Achmed E. Newman

    Some Navajos had six-packs of beer in the cab, and they would offer beer to me. One time a couple of wrinkled old Navajos stopped to pick me up, and they were stinking drunk. I said no thank you, and I still remember one of them saying “mmm fuck yooaaa hhh mmmm.” I stepped away with my pack on my back, and they drove away.

    I would not at all hitchhike today. It was starting to get sketchy even then. I know because I also did it in the Northeast, circa 1980. It should be noted, however, that one Black guy picked up me and my German Shepherd in New York State when we had finished our stint on the Appalachian Trail. He was afraid of my dog, but I reassured him. His car was immaculate. A brown Chevy Nova or some other GM car of the era, with tan, vinyl interior. Completely clean. That wonderful Black man drove me and my dog all the way across Northern New Jersey where we needed to go.

    My favorite rides way back then were Navajos and Evangelical Christians. The Evangelicals, which we called at the time Fundamentalists, or just Bible Thumpers, were doing good deeds, and they were light on the preaching. One of them took me all the way across Arizona to the Grand Canyon where I made my first descent to the bottom in 1978.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  115. @Joe Data

    I can’t verify their numbers either. Using the CDC’s “Weekly Counts of Deaths by State and Select Causes, 2019-2020” data set, I get 2,326,448 all-cause deaths for 2020 weeks 1-39. That extrapolates to 3,101,984 for 2020 compared to 2,852,612 in 2019.

  116. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:

    Lupus patients in the USA are on long term prescriptions of hydroxychloroquine. Essentially permanent medication.

    Even though this demographic has a serious load on their immune system from lupus they remain strangely immune to Chi-com bat flu.

    TV doctor Oz on fox researched the national database of lupus patients and publicized this anomaly last spring but he … uh.. went… quiet… presumably after enough behind the scenes pressure was applied.

    As QB Tom Brady says:

    FIGURE IT OUT

  117. @Thomas

    Umm…if you adjust for years of life lost, our annual 37,000 traffic deaths is equivalent to over 250,000 COVID deaths. A bad flu year is 60,000 and we do nothing. Where, between 60k and 200k deaths, do we shut down the entire economy and wreck people’s lives? How do we measure the tradeoffs?

    All you Corona-crazies are missing the $64,000 dollar question: this isn’t a question of science but a dilemma of policy. If an emergency room doctor says that any collusion over 25 mph can cause death we don’t lower the highway speed limit to 25 mph. Doctors do not and should never decide public policy. Public policy is determined by balancing competing interests: health, economy, quality of life, personal freedom etc.

    Here’s a starting point for a policy analysis: if everyone in this country losses one week in quality of life over the shutdowns (a conservative estimate) that‘s the equivalent of over 1 million COVID deaths (assuming 5 years lost life, on average). And that’s before we even figure out how many lives the lockdown is even saving.

    Even if I grant all the Corona-crazies their scary numbers, from the standpoint of a logical, cost-benefit policy analysis the lockdown doesn’t make sense. Assuming the worst, you simply can’t make the numbers work for a lockdown.

    You’re all missing the point here.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Travis
  118. Thomas says:
    @JimDandy

    No different than how we count deaths from the flu or anything else. Nobody dies of “the flu.” They die of primary or secondary pneumonia, organ failure, sepsis, etc.

    We had over 225,000 excess deaths in the U.S. between March and August of this year. At a time when much of the country was in quarantine and not going anywhere. If that wasn’t caused primarily by COVID, what was it caused by then?

    • Agree: Jack D
    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Mr. Anon
    , @Polynikes
  119. JimDandy says:
    @Thomas

    So, what you’re saying is: Covid is just like another flu. Thanks. But, sorry, no–I’m pretty sure that pre-Covid, there was never a time when a young man who died after a motorcycle accident had “Cause of death: flu” written on his death report. Many deaths are being officially attributed to Covid that would not have gone down as Flu deaths.

    In answer to your final question, I don’t know, exactly. I know murders skyrocketed. How about suicides, heart attacks, strokes, many other deaths that arose from being discouraged from going to the hospital to treat problems or get surgeries or get important tests done, inactivity and lowered immune systems due to forced isolation, domestic murders, clinical depression, drug overdoses, etc.

    But if you’re saying that Covid was just as dangerous to the sick and the old as the flu, you won’t get any argument from me.

    • Replies: @Thomas
  120. res says:
    @dearieme

    This article talks about that. I disagree with their spin attempt, but it has some useful facts.
    https://www.managedhealthcareconnect.com/content/cuomo-directive-blame-nursing-home-covid-deaths-us-official-claims

    Between March 25 and May 8, approximately 6,326 COVID-positive patients were admitted to nursing homes, according to a state health department report.

    According to the COVID Tracking Project, 6,624 people have died of COVID-19 in nursing homes and other long-term care facilities in New York, accounting for 26% of the state’s 25,275 COVID deaths. Some say the true number of deaths is much higher because, unlike many states, New York does not count the deaths of former nursing home residents who are transferred to hospitals and die there as nursing home deaths.

    In a July analysis of COVID-19 nursing home deaths, the state concluded that the deadly virus was introduced by nursing home staff members rather than sick patients.

    It noted that peak nursing home resident mortality from COVID-19 on April 8 preceded the peak influx of COVID patients on April 14. In addition, it found that nearly 1 in 4 nursing home workers — 37,500 people — were infected with the virus between March and early June.

    Seems like some shoddy reasoning in that final paragraph. A better way to look at it would be a per location basis. Once you have seeded the first few infectious cases how much do more matter? And how did they determine whether employees were infected inside or outside the nursing home?

    This article is more explicit about the March 25th date for the order.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-deleted-cuomos-order-nursing-homes-order-2020-5

  121. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    Whatever happened to “the buck stops here” (sign that was supposedly on Truman’s desk, an allusion to “passing the buck”)? The fish stinks from the head. Yes, the Democrat governors (and every level of the Permanent Government Democrat bureaucracy) did a terrible job. But Trump didn’t provide the necessary leadership either (very difficult in our now deeply divided country). If he had some comprehensive plan or vision for addressing (or not addressing) this virus and he was a great leader instead of an ass-clown, he could have gotten most of us to share that vision (and the braying donkeys of the Left would have piped down – they know when the masses are not with them). But he never did because with Trump it is all ad-hoc and all over the place and make it up as you go along.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, Lace
    • Replies: @Clyde
  122. @anonymous

    No, Berenson’s been a lot more right than the little epidemiological squirt with a Napoleon complex, the great Dr. Anthony Fauci.

    What frosts me no end about all this is that all the “experts” know squat, and, of course, in their arrogance, they get up at podiums or load up their blogs and pontificate like they have some secret knowledge pipeline from the Epidemiological Deities.

    No masks…oh put the MASKS on or we’ll DIE. We need VENTILATORS!! Oh, wait, ventilators are BAD BAD BAD. The bugger lives on surfaces for WEEKS…oh wait, it doesn’t. Slather yourself with hand sanitizer…oh, wait, you might kill useful skin bacteria. Lockdowns are the ONLY way to get this under control….uh, sorry, check that, Lockdowns have really bad unintended consequences.

    They all might as well go masturbate in front the Delphic Oracle to get insight.

    Ferguson in the UK, the IHME guys, the CDC, the WHO, the NIH, Greg Cochran, JayMan, Arguably Wrong — and yes, the great Ron Unz — all of them, every fucking one of them, have zero and I mean ZERO fucking humility about the level of ignorance they had and the huge knowledge gaps they face.

    And still face.

    But that didn’t stop them, no siree. As Richard Feynmann said — a guy who was REALLY a scientist and didn’t pretend to be one — “What is science? Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.”

    How many people died in nursing homes in NYC because Andrew “I killed Nana” Cuomo shunted infected patients into nursing homes? Will we ever know?

    How many deaths in NYC could have been prevented had we had the knowledge about treatment protocols we have now? Will we ever know?

    Was the virus in NYC a particularly deadly strain? Will we ever know?

    If the spread in NYC was non-stochastic, what were the superspreading clusters? Will we ever know?

    How much of the spread in NYC is connected to the fact that the city has disgusting dirty trash piles every half block , is full of rats and their feces, and the huge numbers are actually due to those factors in combination with population density? Will we ever know?

    Take away the obese, hypertensive, diabetic, COPD ridden, Vitamin D deficient blacks and Hispanics from the death toll, (OK, whites too) and what’s the remainder? Will we ever know?

    How many deaths of the elderly — in New York City and elsewhere — with serious co-morbidities had their deaths “pushed forward” by less than a year because they happened to catch this bug? Will we ever know?

    Does anybody actually BELIEVE case numbers/death numbers that come out of Hopkins? How many death certificate causes are simply marked down as Kung Flu related which are not? And the case numbers…good God. How many are false positives? False negatives? Will we ever know?

    Really, I could go on, but you get the idea.

    I don’t expect answers, REAL answers to any of these questions, but I wish to the Heavenly Father Almighty that Anthony Fauci would just zip it. That would be a start.

    • Agree: Paul Jolliffe
    • Thanks: Mark G.
  123. Guest007 says:
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Yes Peru is much worse than Brazil. But Brazil was originally thought to be able to avoid Covid-19 and that idea failed. In looking at the data , Paraguay seems to be doing the best in South America.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
  124. Travis says:

    I see little evidence that New York doctors discovered better treatments for COVID. What are these better treatments ? Name one treatment NY doctors began using in April which is credited with saving lives ? Is this treatment being suppressed by the media to prolong the panic ? We already knew about the benefits of Vitamin D, zinc and HCQ by March first, 5 weeks before NY hospitals were crowded with patients.

    The virus quickly thru NY and NJ in April. The most vulnerable were hospitalized and died. Hospitalizations quickly dropped and there was a glut of hospital beds by May. The reduced Death rate had little to do with hospital doctors getting better at treating COVID. The number of people hospitalized dropped quickly after April 18. Why ? Why did hospitalizations quickly stop, just as they were escalating in NJ.

    it hit New Jersey hard a week after New York, yet the death rates are comparable. Seems the NJ doctors learned nothing from the NY doctors. In NJ deaths and hospitalizations peaked in the third week of April when 8,200 were hospitalized with COVID on April 18 – (4 weeks after the Lockdowns began). In New York City hospitalizations peaked 11 days earlier, on April 7 with 6,500 hospitalized.

    The Lockdowns had no effect reducing COVID deaths in NJ , as deaths peaked April 28, over 6 weeks after they closed everything down. 8 weeks after people began social distancing and washing hands. Masks were mandated by te Governor on April 2. But all workers and shoppers had been wearing masks by March 18 already. The few stores which were allowed to remain open, required patrons to wears masks starting on mid March . Yet somehow the virus ran rampant across New Jersey in April, weeks after it ran rampant thru NYC.

  125. @Anonymous

    So true, my sister-in-law lost her nursing job in March, as they stopped doing surgeries. My Aunt lost her nursing position in Pennsylvania in April and my mother lost her nurse practitioner job in July.

  126. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s your intel agency Mockingbird media at work …desperate to keep the masses terrified.

    PROJECT FEAR:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/25-year-old-nevada-man-first-american-confirmed-have-caught-covid-19-twice

    Zerohedge needs that covid cash so they juice the headline saying “confirmed” but the article of course is more vague. The dodgy patient histories and dodgy testing (false positives) leaves a LOT of gray area.

    But we all know that it’s the headlines that matter.

    Suburban moms are peppered with media headlines about HEALTHY YOUNG people succumbing to covid… and yet the stories all turn out eventually to be fake news.

    The TWICE INFECTED headlines are just another fake news intel agency attack.

    We are in a war. Obviously.

  127. Travis says:
    @JimDandy

    Not enough elderly and obese people for the number of deaths to reach 100,000 per week in NYC or in any state. Also not enough ventilators available to kill even 50,000 per week.

  128. Clyde says:
    @David

    The hospital ship arrived in NYC on March 30th.

    USNS Comfort’s last patients discharged, ship to leave NY …
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/usns-comforts-last…
    Apr 26, 2020 · The 1,000-bed hospital ship, which has been docked at a Manhattan pier since March 30, originally was deployed to care for patients without coronavirus …

    You are right about when Javits field center opened. Cuomo hates Trump so he used none of this Federally contributed Covid capacity, Il Douche sent Covid ill elderly to nursing homes.

  129. Clyde says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Il Douche, Andrew Cuomo………

    And in a pile on for this revved up, nasty looking creepazoid. Biden sources are saying Cuomo is being considered for Biden’s Attorney General. But Trump is winning anyhow.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  130. Travis says:
    @Anon

    Cuomo stated “Quarantine would be federal declaration of war on states” when Trump discussed the possibility of a quarantine of the new York Metro area. New York Gov. Cuomo said “Trump has no authority to impose quarantine: It would be illegal“.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/03/28/cuomo-new-york-quarantine-would-be-federal-declaration-of-war/#97b8d592292d

    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said that if Rhode Island does not roll back its policy of stopping vehicles with New York license plates and collecting information about New Yorkers who have entered the Ocean State, he would sue. “If they uphold that policy, I’m going to sue,”, March 28, 2020.

    How short is Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s memory? 3 months later later Gov. Cuomo was imposing a quarantine on other states and forcing them to self quarantine or get fined $10,000
    https://www.observertoday.com/opinion/the-observers-view/2020/07/new-york-state-cuomo-again-changes-course/

  131. @Anonymous

    Thank you, but I wouldn’t hit Steve too hard for his concern. He is a cancer survivor who may indeed have a compromised immune system. Let’s cut him some slack.

  132. res says:
    @Anon

    2. Strict internal border controls around the metropolitan New York area (as was done in Italy, and recall the NYT report on big data analysis of cell phones finding massive flight from NYC).

    These were arguably state/city level moves, with some federal cooperation. Did the governor or mayor do anything? No.

    That’s not quite correct. Cuomo did something. He fought against anything like 2. happening.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html

    Of course, Cuomo’s tune changed radically once the shoe was on the other foot.
    https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-five-states-added-travel-advisory-and-10-million-covid-19-diagnostic

    Seriously, if Trump had said the airports are shut, such and such counties are in quarantine, and we’ll help with the national guard or military… seriously … what would have happened? What would New York politicians have said? The New York Times? The New Yorker? Twitter?

    I think my first link above makes the answer abundantly clear.

  133. res says:
    @Bill Jones

    These numbers- CDC Sourced, really need no comment (and, thus, get none)

    Are you (and AEN) really naive enough to just accept someone claiming the CDC says something about COVID-19 without checking for yourselves?! Have the last seven months taught you nothing?

    I looked at both links he gave for 2020. Here is the first.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm
    It only covers January to March. The monthly deaths are given as 263k, 243k, 268k. Notice how all of those are above his claimed average of 236k. And that was before COVID-19 really hit hard.

    The second link is a bit more difficult to interpret.
    https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/muzy-jte6
    That has weekly death data for the first 39 weeks of 2020 (week 39 started 9/26).
    If you go to the bottom and sum up the weekly US data for 2020 you find there were 2,326,448 deaths over the first 39 weeks. Annualized (multiply by 52/39) that gives 3,101,931 deaths. That is 9% more than his 2019 figure (but who knows if that is correct either, it appears to at least be close though, that second link shows 2,852,612 deaths in 2019).

    I’m not sure where the 2020 numbers you quoted came from, but it was not those CDC links.

    I guess those numbers deserved some comment after all.

  134. Clyde says:
    @Jack D

    You are way too harsh on Trump. Anthony Fauci popularity and trust ratings were 20 points higher than Trump’s. The sheeple trusted Fauci on Corona a lot more than Trump. So Trump kind of had to go along with Fauci’s advice on what to do with Corona virus back in its peak months (March-April-May). Trump had/has others on his Corona task force, it seems that what Fauci says to do is representative of this task force.

    And who are you to call Trump an ass clown? The evil mofo Dems have been carpet bombing Trump for the last 4+ years. Trying to drive him out and drive him crazy. He is 73 and never caved. He is all that is keeping you from a Biden Presidency. If the Dems get the House-Senate-Presidency America will change radically. I know that I won’t like it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  135. @Guest007

    The 2nd video posted by Clifford Brown in comment #103 shows the dip in the graph and says the dip was in 2019, that it was an exceptionally mild flu year so a lot of people were around who wouldn’t have been in a normal flu year. Corona is taking the numbers from below average deaths to about average (after averaging).

    It’s a very informative video.

  136. res says:
    @Anonymous

    That is excellent. And an interesting source. Do you know anything about the Perry Bible Fellowship? Looking at a few of their earlier comics I suspect they are thinking about it differently than we are.

  137. @Redman

    What deaths were “caused by Hydroxychloroquine”?

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.15.20151852v1%20

    Quote from the paper linked:

    “The Randomised Evaluation of COVID-19 therapy (RECOVERY) trial is a randomized, controlled, open-label, platform trial comparing a range of possible treatments with usual care in patients hospitalized with COVID-19. We report the preliminary results for the comparison of hydroxychloroquine vs. usual care alone. The primary outcome was 28-day mortality. Results: 1561 patients randomly allocated to receive hydroxychloroquine were compared with 3155 patients concurrently allocated to usual care. Overall, 418 (26.8%) patients allocated hydroxychloroquine and 788 (25.0%) patients allocated usual care died within 28 days (rate ratio 1.09; 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.96 to 1.23; P=0.18). Consistent results were seen in all pre-specified subgroups of patients. Patients allocated to hydroxychloroquine were less likely to be discharged from hospital alive within 28 days (60.3% vs. 62.8%; rate ratio 0.92; 95% CI 0.85-0.99) and those not on invasive mechanical ventilation at baseline were more likely to reach the composite endpoint of invasive mechanical ventilation or death (29.8% vs. 26.5%; risk ratio 1.12; 95% CI 1.01-1.25). There was no excess of new major cardiac arrhythmia. Conclusions: In patients hospitalized with COVID-19, hydroxychloroquine was not associated with reductions in 28-day mortality but was associated with an increased length of hospital stay and increased risk of progressing to invasive mechanical ventilation or death.” (my italics)

    And see here: The FDA stopped Hydroxyychloroquine-tests too:

    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-revokes-emergency-use-authorization-chloroquine-and

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Redman
  138. @Guest007

    Federalism, dick-head. Whether you want to see it, the Constitution in this case works. The governors in certain blue states are complicit. It was very obviously coordinated. That will be confirmed once again after the election.

  139. That giant spike in deaths of New Yawk octogenarians was caused by doctors shoving tubes down their throats and exploding their lungs even though they were respiring okay beforehand. It was medical murder.

    Doctors relearned a lesson they already knew: don’t venterlate someone who is breathing but feeling short of breath – no, you give them oxygen. Imbeciles. I’m not a doctor and I knew this waaaaaay back in February.

    Meanwhile, CDC reports that face diapers don’t stop covid infection: 85% of symptomatic covid patients always or usually diaper up. Normally if 85% of people doing X leads to Y outcome, we would say that X causes Y. Your blessed facediapers are causing disease, just as I warned months ago.

    Burn your filthy skid-marked face diapers, imbeciles.

    • Agree: Peterike
  140. sayless says:
    @Jay Fink

    Yes, the effect on radio was the worst. At least with cable or streaming there are lots of different kinds of things to view, but radio has been homogenized. Before Clinton’s communications coup you could drive across the country and hear the local flavor fade in and fade out as you passed through. The music tends to be corporate-approved. Well maybe we can get it back.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    , @Mr. Anon
  141. Guest007 says:
    @Wilkey

    The the pandemic finally ends, the first lesson will be that if any politician makes an emergency response/pandemic response/disaster response then the response will fail. Everything that is mentioned needs to be addressed.

    The pandemic is teaching Americans supply chain when most Americans refuse to think about supply chain. From toilet paper, to hand sanitizer to pasta, American private sector had fine tuned it supply chain so fine that it could not quickly response.

    The pandemic is teaching Americans the difference between short term thinking (keeping airports open, allowing cruise ships to keep going, not shutting down super spreader events fast enough) over long term thinking. Look at how certain governors like Desantos is still motivated about keeping his business donors happy.

    The pandemic is teaching people respiratory disease again. I have been amazed at how stupid about airborne diseases, aerosol physics, and respiratory protection. What is amazing is that organization like the National Academy of Sciences have been having almost daily webinar and panels on Covid-19 but the media never reports on them.

    Look at people refuse to understand that much of the economic impact is due to the disease. Does anyone think that any professional organization is gong to have an in person convention. Does anyone really believe that if government stop caring about the spread of ‘covid-19 that restuarants will fill up again?

  142. Guest007 says:
    @Jack D

    I think part of the confusion is the term nursing home versus retirement home, speciality nursing care, and nursing home. Many of the deaths that are being reported as nursing home deaths are really retirement home or supportive care facilities (think elderly dorms). Those are different than end of life hospice or specialty nursing and rehab care facilities.

    2k deaths a month extra would be 450 per week and would be statistically significant on that chart. Look at how many people first tried to deny that there were increased deaths (thank Lyman Stone at AEI for doing the work on this). Look at the second was trying to claim that suicides and deaths from other causes would go up but in reality they went down. Look at how the suicide rate has not really gone up. Look at how the death rate for children has gone down since auto accident deaths went down.

  143. @Joe Data

    OK, I see your and Res’s comments. I shouldn’t have taken Bill Sardi’s numbers for the Gospel. Sorry about that. Who knows what the last 3 months of 2020 will show for total deaths. What makes you think it will be higher? There’s bound to be (or have already been) a slow decline to below the norm, as many very old people with various heath problems have died some months or a year before they would have otherwise (not just WITH the COVID but without normal regular care).

    We’ll see, I guess, and it may take till the end of next year to get the full picture. .

  144. sayless says:
    @Polynikes

    My godmother was hospitalized at New York Presbyterian for three days in April. She said the place felt like a ghost ship, spooky, it was practically empty. Everyone else was having their heart attack/stroke/medical crisis at home.

  145. sayless says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You got Cosmo for the interviews.

  146. Mr. Anon says:
    @Thomas

    It wasn’t all caused by COVID-19. As of Aug. 29th, the CDC recorded some 169,000 deaths “involving COVID-19”. In only 6% of that total was the sole cause of death listed as COVID-19. The remaining 94% had an average of 2.6 co-morbidities. Of that 169,000, in nearly 22,000 cases, the contributing cause of death was listed as “cardiac arrest”. Cardiac arrest is not a “contributing cause of death”. It is the proximate cause of death. COVID-19 may have led to the cardiac arrest and no-doubt did in thousands of cases. But how many people simply keeled over of a heart-attack, were subsequently found to have SARS-COV-2, or – according to CDC guidelines – were simply “presumed” to have had it, and were then listed as COVID-19 deaths. In over 5,000 of those 169,000 cases, the contributing cause of death was “accidental or intentional poisoning, accident, or other causes”. I.e., drug overdoses, suicides, motorcycle accidents (in at least one notorious case)…………..what else? It is entirely possible that essentially none of those 5,000+ deaths really had anything much to do with COVID-19.

    • Replies: @Thomas
  147. Not Raul says:
    @Anon

    Tons of Subcon docs in New York.

    And in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Texas, Virginia, California, Georgia, etc. What’s your point?

  148. Mr. Anon says:
    @Dieter Kief

    The HCL/Zinc cocktail (it’s not just HCL) was found to be useful as an outpatient treatment, to prevent the advance of the disease to the ARD stage. A lot of doctors have prescribed it and found it to work in that capacity. The paper you cite deals with patients already hospitalized for COVID. The point was to cure the patient before he needed to be hospitalized.

    And see here: The FDA stopped Hydroxyychloroquine-tests too:

    They did so in response to the fraudulent Lancet study, a study that was retracted and was called out as fraudulent by one of the Lancet’s own editors. And it’s not as if the FDA isn’t in bed with Gilead.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  149. @Guest007

    I’m not sure what you have against the truth, Guest. Perhaps you could use a different term, as it sounds stupid to speak of someone who is supposed to be off the rails as a “truther”. Gold bugs have been proven in American history before, but they will have the last word, or should I say, the last actual money, the next, final, time around. I don’t know anything about the 5G issue.

    I’ve read guys that don’t believe there is any such virus, so maybe that’s this guy’s belief. If so, no, that’s not what I think. I think the overbearing response to the virus, this huge Infotainment Panic-Fest, is the problem and what has ruined the economy, not the virus itself. Governments did not shut down businesses and schools in ’09 with whatever that one was, another Swine flu, H1N1, something (all I know is it’s the first time I saw groups of people with the face masks, but it was just Japanese tourists traveling through Detroit airport).

    Second, it is Covid-19 that destroyed the economy. New York City is hurt by the absence of European and Middle Eastern Tourist.

    Did you even go over what you wrote after this?

    Letting Covid-19 spread faster and wider does not fix that problem.

    It’s already spread around the world!

    The airlines are suffering from lower tourism, no convention business, and less business travel.

    The tourism is down because there isn’t much money for it, people having been unemployed for a while and all, and then the more PC airlines are still blocking off 33% to 40% of the seats (and I’ve seen them bump people for that.). Business travel is down because the economy has been trashed. Another factor is that businessmen are getting used to doing things remotely, so it may not return ever the same. (This last thing has nothing to do with the Kung Flu or the response, though this LOCKDOWN crap sure speeded it up.)

    Having 3k death a day does not fix that. 50% of Americans say that they will not go to a shopping mall.

    Well, I’m not a mall shopper to begin with, but I am not such a simpering idiot follower of the Infotainment that this BS would stop me. As for the 50%, yes, they’ve been scared out of their wits by this Infotainment.

    Having people refuse to wear masks or take precautions does not fix that.

    It’s too late to FIX all the damage that has been done by you people. However, it’s time to at least start snapping the hell out of it.

    • Replies: @Guest007
  150. Mr. Anon says:
    @Thomas

    And then turned into the worst pandemic to his the US in a century, by the number of deaths.

    The number of deaths is less important than the number of deaths per capita. In this, COVID is not much different than the Asian Flu. We didn’t freak out in 1958.

    For that matter, we didn’t really freak out in 1918/1919. The Spanish Flu killed 0.6% of the US population, far more than this pandemic. There were no calls for a “Great Reset” or a “New Normal”. People went right back to life as before.

    If you shrieking hysterics want to run off to the hills and live in a cave, by all means, go. You will not be missed.

  151. epebble says:

    as many very old people with various heath problems have died

    There are more than 10+ million 80+ year olds. At 1,000 per day, it will take 30 years for them to succumb to Covid. Covid is a risk factor for elders, but it won’t change death statistics dramatically – unless it goes back to the high rates as in April-May (or July-August).

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

  152. Not Raul says:
    @Known Fact

    PR pays better than social work.

  153. Not Raul says:
    @Colin Wright

    That could be a mistake. It could come back in the Fall like the flu.

    • LOL: HammerJack
  154. Anonymous[296] • Disclaimer says:

    BOOM! Must read perfect timing article out today it’s an overview of The Great Chloroquine War and how the real data shows HCQ winning…

    Along with Raoult Zelenko Smith et al this man Dr Harvey Risch is another hero:

    https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-lets-all-be-honest-about-hydroxychloroquine-20201013-5j5q4i23qvfuzos4jh7ztc3usa-story.html

  155. @Mr. Anon

    They did so in response to the fraudulent Lancet study, a study that was retracted and was called out as fraudulent by one of the Lancet’s own editors. And it’s not as if the FDA isn’t in bed with Gilead.

    Right, the FDA article linked in my comment 137 above says that they stopped the emergency use of hydroxychloroquine:

    Recent results from a large randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients, a population similar to the population for which chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine were authorized for emergency use, demonstrated that hydroxychloroquine showed no benefit on mortality or in speeding recovery. This outcome was consistent with other new data, including data showing that the suggested dosing regimens for chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are unlikely to kill or inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19. The totality of scientific evidence currently available indicate a lack of benefit.

  156. Jack D says:
    @Clyde

    Anthony Fauci popularity and trust ratings were 20 points higher than Trump’s

    Whose fault is that? Orbán in Hungary has an approval rating of 74 percent and he has been above 2/3rd for the last 10 years straight.

    Trump is better than the alternative – Sleepy Joe forgets what office he is running for sometimes and his successor is the most Leftist member of the senate – #1 Leftist voting record. But that doesn’t mean that he isn’t an unfocused jerk.

    • Agree: Lace
    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    , @Clyde
  157. @Bill Jones

    The 2020 figures seem wrong. I pulled 1.87 million all-cause deaths through the first 30 weeks of 2020 and if you ratio that by 52/30 to project for the whole year you get 3.24 million, not the 2.84 million in your source. Even if one assumes we reverted back to last year’s death rate for the last 22 weeks of 2020 you would still get 3.08 million.

  158. Travis says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    Exactly correct. There is no evidence the lockdowns saved any lives. The majority of COVID deaths were among the vulnerable elderly, many of whom had Alzheimer’s disease. Coronavirus Pandemic Led to Surge in Alzheimer’s Deaths. As Covid-19 raced through long-term care facilities, it amplified mortality risks for those with Alzheimer’s and other forms of dementia. Roughly 100,000 people died from Alzheimer’s and dementia from February through May, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates. Although not all the extra deaths were directly caused by the coronavirus, that fatality rate is 18% higher than average for those disorders in recent years. https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-pandemic-led-to-surge-in-alzheimers-deaths-11593345601

    The lockdowns will go down in history as one of the worst decisions ever made by the Governors who forced businesses to close, forced schools and churches and arenas to close for over 6 months.

    It has been clear in NYC and NJ that the pandemic ended several months ago….yet most schools remain closed even today. This is mostly due to the strong teachers unions, but blame must be put on the governors for keeping us locked-down all summer long, months after the goal of flattening the curve was reached. Hospitals had plenty of beds available in May, there was no risk of them being overwhelmed with patients after the first wave ended in April, yet the lockdowns remained in full forced thru the summer. This panic was pushed by the media to defeat Trump, defeat small businesses, destroy churches and spread loneliness, isolation and pain to the American people. Far more destruction was caused by the lock-downs than by coronavirus. Nations like Sweden and Japan never locked-down their people. Most of European schools were re-opened in June. Yet the media fails to report much on what other nations did all summer.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Disagree: Corvinus
  159. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, when are you going to address the fact that a substantial number of your readers think people like you and Greg Cochran have forfeited a significant amount of credibility by supporting the covid hoax?

    If you don’t agree, you don’t take my word for it. Make a post with a poll asking people if they’re disappointed in your covid response and leave the comments open.

    • Troll: Corvinus, Not Raul
  160. Redman says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Increased risk is a long way from being a cause of death. This doesn’t support what you said about about Hydroxychloroquine causing deaths.

    But thanks for the clarification.

  161. Corvinus says:

    Clearly, red states didn’t heed the warnings and advice of NYC.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AnthonyJClark/status/1315654253311131648

  162. @Thomas

    The pro-hysterics used to say that the fakey “died with covid” death count was justified by the existence of statistical “excess deaths.”

    But the fake “with covid” death count keeps accumulating even though there are no longer any “excess deaths.” In short, the death count is, and always has been, totally fake.

    Logically, to evaluate the validity of the alleged covid death count you would need to calculate how many people would be counted as killed by the common cold or regular flu if the same standard were applied. (I.e., someone coincidentally died of something after having a cold or flu). But they will never do this because the result would disprove the “covid is a killer” narrative.

    Every statistic about this virus is perfectly consistent with the hypothesis that it is a big nothing. And that the so-called death toll is just the common fallacy of conflating correlation with causation.

    Jesus, I hope this stupidity goes away after the election.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  163. @Guest007

    Oh wow, the most isolated and pointless country is doing “the best”.

    It is almost like there is a pattern.

    Brazil is very international, good at testing and quite organised. Those are the reasons why it looks “worse” than Paraguay.

  164. Public schools are disease incubators. Close them forever.

    I just read a NY Post article about how the city’s Dept of Ed has been slow to process all the home school notifications coming its way.

    The article mentions that the bureaucracy has a strong incentive to drag out the process: It claims that the department receives almost $30,000 per kid per year in total (federal, state, and local) funding.

    Astonishing though that figure is, I’ll bet you it’s still lowball.

    [MORE]

    The true amount of state and local tax spending on schools is usually about 2X the figure that public school advocates put out.

    The actual, nationwide average must be around $20K per kid. Yep.

    Please remember that when you see yet another school related, tax increase on your down-ballot.

    (I never consider the federal funding part. The current, published figure of US DofEd spending, while rapidly growing, still only works out to ~$1,000 per kid.)

    • Replies: @Guest007
  165. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:

    Comprehensive covid19 reference website that lists all of the hydroxychloroquine studies and compiled meta charts and graphs:

    https://c19study.com/

    Dr Harvey Risch NYDailynews article links to this site.

    Notice just how many of the negative result studies were late stage disease studies. Of course the key to successful HCQ treatment is early application.

    Late stage studies are deliberate SABOTAGE.

  166. @Mr. Anon

    I missed those connections. Thanks.

  167. Polynikes says:
    @Thomas

    Half were caused by the lockdowns. A one percent increase in teen suicides outpaced all covid deaths for that age range. If you knew how to normalize fit population, you would see that at worst this was no more lethal than ‘58 or ‘68.

    • Replies: @Thomas
  168. Anon 2 says:

    The United States could learn from Central Europe how to handle
    Covid-19. The U.S. has had a total of 665 Covid deaths per 1 M so far
    which is comparable to Western Europe. Central European countries
    (Poland, Lithuania, Czechia, Slovakia, and Austria; some would include
    Slovenia and Croatia), a predominantly Catholic bloc of nations totaling
    80 million people, has had under 100 deaths per 1 M (Hungary, also part
    of Central Europe, is close – a little over 100). And they accomplished
    this without the collectivist mindset of Japan or S. Korea (which have also
    done very well). Romania is not part of Central Europe in this scheme
    – it’s part of Eastern Europe (Russia, Ukraine, …) – with much higher
    death rates, comparable to those in Russia.

    What Central European countries have in common is low diversity and
    relatively low population density. It’s remarkable how sharp the
    demarcation line is, based on Covid death rates alone, between Western
    Europe with its legacy of colonialism and slave trade on one hand, and
    Eastern Europe with its legacy of tyranny and lawlessness vs Central
    Europe with its legacy of Catholic virtue ethics and the Aristotelian
    principle of moderation in all things, both of which tend to instill
    self-discipline. Central Europe is truly a separate civilization.

  169. Not Raul says:
    @sayless

    Clinton didn’t do it alone. Only two Republicans in the Senate (McCain & Packwood) voted against it. Sixteen Democrats in the Senate (including Patrick Leahy, and Harry Reid) voted against it.

  170. @Hypnotoad666

    I hope this stupidity goes away after the election.

    It most assuredly will, for one reason or another.

  171. @Buzz Mohawk

    I am trying to stay out of this, because I regret one mean comment I made about it months ago. Steve did not deserve it.

    Oh, Steve deserves a lot more than just one mean comment, but he isn’t going to get them from his IYI peanut gallery here who thinks he’s the greatest intellect since Plato. Steve Sailer sycophancy despite a 20-year track record of incorrect ineptitude is not explicable by anything other than a peculiar form of Boomer senility.

    My funny bone wants to half-wonder if Steve and Ron are CIA assets like half of everyone else in media.

    I don’t think Ron Unz is, but Steve Sailer certainly is and I have said as much before. It has been obvious for many, many years that Sailer is utterly disingenuous about everything he supposedly stands for. Here we have a supposed science blogger who is completely ignorant about general science, and a supposed Alt-Right civic nationalist and white identitarian who recommends a nonstop stream of losing initiatives (e.g. the “Sailer Strategy”) and who writes hagiographic posts about every black sportsballer and entertainer who turns up dead. With friends like these, who needs enemies?

    It’s time to canvas for a serious push to get Sailer off of the these pages for good. I will volunteer to write daily posts in his place to keep the web traffic moving. There is no reason why he should be allowed to continue his campaign of nonsense. The cause would be a million times better off without him.

  172. utu says:
    @Polynikes

    “[Sweden] counted liberally.” – Do you have a source for it? I do not know that. But we know that from the very beginning they talked about slashing down the numbers not by the countermeasures in the real world but on paper by accounting.

    “cut the number of people dying from coronavirus by as much as four fifths, and slash the death rate to well below 1 per cent, perhaps even lower than seasonal flu”

    • Replies: @utu
  173. MBlanc46 says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I should that it was getting pretty sketchy by 1980. I hitched a lot and also gave a lot of rides in the late 1960s, early 1970s. When I think back on it, I think I was lucky to have never had a problem. Also did a fair amount of hitching in Britain, Spain, and Portugal in 1976. Again, no problems, but I wouldn’t advise it now.

  174. MBlanc46 says:
    @Jack D

    I’d say it’s impossible by now for any rational individual to come to any other conclusion, re Trump. All he had to do was be moderately competent, and he’d have been re-elected, despite Dem fraud.

  175. utu says:
    @utu

    Belgium counted liberally.

    Why so many people are dying in Belgium
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52491210

    Belgian officials say they are counting in a way that no other country in the world is currently doing: counting deaths in hospitals and care homes, but including deaths in care homes that are suspected, not confirmed, as Covid-19 cases.

    Some 16% of deaths in care homes were tested positive for coronavirus. The rest are suspected.
    That means more than 3,500 deaths have been counted as caused by Covid-19, but not confirmed.

  176. utu says:
    @Mark G.

    Countries like Taiwan and New Zealand have above average IQ levels which enable the governments in those countries to explain what needs to be done and then get everyone to fall in line. Many U.S. cities have large numbers of 85 IQ blacks.

    People who did not want to fall in line in NY and NJ were Orthodox Jews or so we heard. Maori population is 16.5% in NZ. Reducing it to IQ as you do is great oversimplification.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  177. Mr. Anon says:
    @Clyde

    Creepazoid. I like that. It fits Cuomo.

  178. Clyde says:
    @Jack D

    Trump was very focused until he was bombarded by the Dems-Deep State for the last 4 years. Hypocrites like you will miss him when he’s gone. You will be crying over what used to be.
    “You don’t know what you got ’till it’s gone”
    Philip Giraldi is more enthusiastic about Trump.

  179. Thomas says:
    @JimDandy

    Murder and suicide don’t kill the same order of magnitude number of people a year as we’re talking about here. There aren’t a lot of ways to get a six-figure increase in excess deaths in a few months… except a deadly pandemic. You’re adding epicycles.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  180. Thomas says:
    @Mr. Anon

    5,000 is 2.5% of 200,000.

    I already addressed COVID not being a proximate cause of death. Generally neither are most infectious diseases, including the flu.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  181. Mr. Anon says:
    @sayless

    The music tends to be corporate-approved. Well maybe we can get it back.

    I listened to commercial radio in my car up until 2017, when I got Sirius XM. I noticed that their play-list seemed to get smaller and smaller. About four Eagles songs, four Queen songs, four Elton John songs, etc. played in ever tighter rotation. I think they were just trying to save money on royalties – they must have got a package deal. The ad breaks got longer too and the ads went down-market (title loans, personal injury attorneys, etc.). It was pretty clear that their market came to consist of people who were just cheap (like me) or people who couldn’t afford to get satellite radio. Well the cheap ones eventually leave, and the broke ones are just getting broker. I think commercial radio, like newspapers and land-line phones, will pretty soon go the way of the video rental store.

  182. Thomas says:
    @Polynikes

    The U.S. population was a little over 200 million in 1970, so about 60% of what it is today. The top estimate of U.S. deaths from the 1968 pandemic was 100,000, less than half of COVID fatalities total.

    And COVID is still going on and still killing, which is the big difference from a flu epidemic, which tends to burn out with the season. That’s the biggest reason why comparisons to the flu don’t work. Even though it had an early and hard peak in the U.S., COVID is proving to be more like polio used to be before the vaccine: a persistent threat that never completely goes away, occasionally flares up badly, and is proving very difficult to stamp out completely.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  183. Mr. Anon says:
    @Thomas

    Nice try, but it was 5000+ out of 169,000, not 200,000. The current number is 6,659 out of 196,639 (as of Oct. 3rd) – 3.4%

    Cardiac Arrests are 24,194: 12.3%

    Vascular and unspecified dementia – 22,192: 11.2%

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

    A lot things on that list could have been greatly exacerbated, or outright caused, by the Lockdown itself.

    • Replies: @Thomas
  184. @Intelligent Dasein

    With enemies like Intelligent Dasein …

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk, vinteuil
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  185. JimDandy says:
    @Thomas

    You’re only listing some of the possible causes I listed. And how could I forget to mention all the ventilator murders!

    https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-01/numbers-of-non-covid-19-deaths-up-during-pandemic

    Another article I just saw asserts that 2/3 of the excess deaths this year have been due to Covid. And, speaking of current articles:

    The Head of the Health Emergencies Program at the WHO has basically confirmed an IFR of 0.14%, approximately the same as the seasonal flu.

    And here are the latest survival rate estimates from the Center for Disease Control:

    Age 0-19 … 99.997%

    Age 20-49 … 99.98%

    Age 50-69 … 99.5%

    Age 70+ … 94.6%

    Every year lot of old and sick people die of the flu. This year a lot of old and sick people died with/from the equivalent of another flu.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
  186. Mark G. says:
    @utu

    Maori population is 16.5% in NZ. Reducing it to IQ as you do is great oversimplification

    .

    Of course I was oversimplifying somewhat. When you leave a short blog comment you can’t add all the qualifications because the comment would quickly become too long. My comment was already pretty long as is. There are a lot of factors involved here. I was merely pointing out one but that is not to say there aren’t others too.

    I do think at least part (I emphasize here PART) of the problem of taking solutions that work in one country and applying them to another is that not all countries are the same. Richard Lynn found average Maori I.Q. to be 91. Blacks with an average I.Q. of 85 make up thirteen percent of the U.S. population and Hispanics with an average I.Q. of 89 make up another nineteen percent. That’s over thirty percent added together, about double the Maori percentage in New Zealand. The average I.Q. of both New Zealand and the U.S. are not that far apart but that is somewhat deceptive. The U.S. average is around 98 but is not made up of a lot of people clustered around the mean. You have a low I.Q. third world country inside of a high IQ first world country here in the U.S. You can see this in the area of life expectancy too. The U.S. has a lower life expectancy than many European countries. Americans of European descent actually live about as long as Europeans but the large black population here pulls the average down.

    Black I.Q. is not the only issue here. The black underclass here in the U.S. is quite hostile to white norms. They are also not evenly spread out among the population. You have a group of people who are low I.Q. and are hostile to the white majority who are concentrated together in large numbers where they heavily outnumber the police. You also have liberal run city governments which would be reluctant to crack down on inner city blacks not wearing masks or social distancing, even if it were possible. You end up with things like Lori Lightfoot tweeting at white people to not hang out at the beach or the park while inner city blacks are having house parties with hundreds of people showing up.

    So, once again, there are a lot of causes for the ineffectiveness of the U.S. response to the epidemic but the political correctness which hobbles open and honest discussion is one factor that I believe has been overly ignored.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  187. Mr. Anon says:
    @Thomas

    The U.S. population was a little over 200 million in 1970, so about 60% of what it is today. The top estimate of U.S. deaths from the 1968 pandemic was 100,000, less than half of COVID fatalities total.

    The population in 1958 was about 175 million, and 116,000 were killed by the Asian Flu. Scaled to our current population, that would be about 219,000. COVID is closing in on that – officially – but as has been explained many times to people like you who refuse to acknowledge it, the official numbers are almost certainly high. They’re counting people who died of other things, and they’re counting people who died of things stemming from the lockdowns themselves.

    And COVID is still going on and still killing, which is the big difference from a flu epidemic, which tends to burn out with the season.

    Not true. The Spanish flu lingered had a few bumps. So did the Hong Kong Flu, which lingered on until about 1970.

    The number of dead from COVID are increasing at a much slower rate than back in the Spring. Also, there are demographic differences between America of today and America of 1958 – more black people and a lot more hispanics, both of which groups seem to be at elevated risk for COVID, so I might expect the final death toll to be higher.

    Still – there is no reason for the freakout or for any “new normal”.

  188. Thomas says:
    @Mr. Anon

    A lot things on that list could have been greatly exacerbated, or outright caused, by the Lockdown itself.

    Call me when you’ve figured out and subtracted the deaths prevented by the lockdown as well, and then still get over 50%.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Rufus Clyde
  189. Mark G. says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    When you mentioned the word “Boomer” I think you were getting close. Steve falls into the category of late Boomer. Younger people see all Boomers as being the same but that is not actually true. Older Boomers grew up in the quiet Eisenhower fifties, were looking for some excitement when they reached young adulthood, and were quite the liberal type. Younger Boomers grew up in the turbulent sixties, were uprooted from their childhood homes when spiking crime drove their parents out of the city, and then couldn’t find a job in the stagflation seventies. Instead of listening to mellow peace and love hippie music they listened to angry punk rockers. I played bass guitar in a punk rock band in the late seventies and it’s not surprising to me that these Johnny Rotten types ended up as Trump supporters in later years. I know a lot of middle aged late Boomers like that.

    Sailer is a pretty good representative of late Boomer right wing beliefs so his popularity among that age group (myself included) is not surprising. It’s also not surprising that another late Boomer, Ron Unz, set up a website that also reflects these beliefs and Steve ended up here. Right now this late Boomer conservatism is at its peak of popularity. I even see elements of it at the most popular conservative blog, Instapundit (another late Boomer). If you don’t like this form of conservatism you just need to wait and eventually we will all die off like the dinosaurs. You might not like it when that finally happens, though, because the future is AOC and Ilhan Omar.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Muggles
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  190. @Steve Sailer

    Well, that’s very cute, Mr. Sailer, but the fact of the matter remains that you haven’t responded to the issue.

    The people in power, following the advice of people like you, condemned thousands to die in nursing homes, locked away from their loved ones and from the sacraments of the Church. Millions more are condemned to poverty, malnutrition, death, and the loss of life-years due to the lockdowns that you advocated. You are responsible for all that suffering and all that death. If my advice had been heeded it would not have occurred.

    Did you want to address any of that? I believe the peanut gallery is listening…

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  191. Mr. Anon says:
    @Thomas

    About 99,000 of the contributing causes of death on that CDC page were “other”.

    Call me if you need help with the math.

  192. keypusher says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    It’s time to canvas for a serious push to get Sailer off of the these pages for good. I will volunteer to write daily posts in his place to keep the web traffic moving.

    Cool, let’s see how crazy Ron Unz really is.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  193. Dissident says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    a supposed Alt-Right civic nationalist and white identitarian

    Has Mr. Sailer ever identified or referred-to himself as either “Alt-Right” or “white identitarian”? Perhaps you were thinking of how others— the usual over-the-top shrieking shrew types– have hysterically branded our host?

    a supposed science blogger who is completely ignorant about general science,

    Can you cite a specific example of this ignorance that you allege on the part of Mr. Sailer?

    [MORE]
    Most critically, can you cite an example in which our host purported to possess knowledge that he clearly did not? An example of him arguing from a position of assumed or fraudulently projected authority or credentials?

    who recommends a nonstop stream of losing initiatives (e.g. the “Sailer Strategy”)

    Can you cite any specific examples to back this claim? A Republican candidate who suffered an election defeat that can credibly be blamed upon him having ran on the Sailer Strategy? Was not the white vote critical to Donald Trump’s victory in 2016? Is the white vote not critical as well now for his chances at re-election this coming November?

    and who writes hagiographic posts about every black sportsballer and entertainer who turns up dead.

    I suspect your characterization of “hagiographic” may be an exaggeration but I can’t say as the genre of posts to which you allude here generally ranks low on my scale of interests. That said, a few points would seem germane here.

    As best as I can see, it could hardly be more obvious that Mr. Sailer has been following popular culture (sports; music; film; television; theater, and more) rather broadly and relatively extensively throughout most of his life. And that much of his writing has focused on various areas within and aspects of popular culture. Throughout Mr. Sailer’s life-to-date, blacks have been heavily represented across multiple sectors within the broad genre of popular culture. Did you mean to suggest, or would you suggest that Mr. Sailer either not cover the death of iconic black sports and entertainment figures, or cover them less favorably than he would comparably famous and culturally significant white figures?

    Finally, if nothing else, do you at least give our esteemed host credit for approving comments as hostile toward him as this one of yours? How many other people would you be able to name who would do that? And it’s not the first time– whether for you or for any number of others– either.

  194. @Thomas

    Evidence from Alberta, Canada indicates otherwise. It is well-established that something other than the SARS CoV-2 virus was causing excess mortality in Alberta before Covidmania was launched:
    “From the end of February to the end of May 2020, there were 639 more deaths in the province than the highest number recorded in Alberta in the past five years, according to new data from Statistics Canada.
    However, provincial public health authorities only reported 146 deaths from the novel coronavirus in the same timespan, about a quarter of the entire excess mortalities.
    “The excess deaths started at the end of February in Alberta, not quite coinciding with the pandemic but actually starting a bit earlier, at least from what we know of the first COVID death in Alberta,” said Stephanie Willbond, an analyst with Statistics Canada.
    Alberta reported its first official death from COVID-19 on March 19.
    The number of excess deaths in Alberta peaked in the week ending March 28, when 563 Albertans died, 80 more than the previous highest total.”
    https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/alberta-had-hundreds-of-excess-deaths-as-covid-19-struck-province-stats-canada
    But Alberta is not alone in witnessing this phenomenon:
    “Only a third of the excess deaths seen in the community in England and Wales can be explained by covid-19, new data have shown.”
    https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1931
    In fact, the highest weekly death total in Alberta since Christmas occurred the week ending January 25.
    Throughout Canada, the only excess mortality was caused by the panic. In the provinces of Ontario and Quebec, the staff in long-term care homes, where most deaths in every province occurred, fled and the Army had to take over what had become charnel houses in the interim:
    https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2020/05/update-on-canadian-armed-forces-response-to-covid-19-pandemic.html
    The notion that the effect of disease produced by SARS CoV-2 is the source of excess mortality anywhere in the world is at odds with most available data.
    To get an idea of the level of unwarranted panic, Alberta provides ample information. Public life was poleaxed on March 17 with the declaration of a state of emergency. Complete closure of schools, post-secondary, gyms, hockey rinks, restaurants, etc. Subsequent to these closure the provincial health authorities issued a projection of 800 000 infections by mid-May in a best-case scenario, 1 060 000 if it went badly, and 1 600 000 if nothing were done. In the event, there were less than 7000 “infections” at the end of May.
    https://www.alberta.ca/assets/documents/covid-19-case-modelling-projection.pdf
    https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm
    What effect that kind of unwarranted fear-mongering had on the elderly, isolated population in long-term care homes, or on the whole population for that matter, in terms of increased morbidity and mortality, I will leave to your imagination.
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/pandemic-poses-indirect-physical-mental-health-consequences-for-children-study-1.4999443
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/advocates-scramble-to-help-domestic-abuse-victims-as-calls-skyrocket-during-covid-19-1.4923109
    https://www.cp24.com/news/model-shows-cardiac-surgery-delays-due-to-covid-19-may-cause-30-deaths-1.4915776
    “Projected increases in suicide in Canada as a consequence of COVID-19”
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236718/
    Just for kicks, here’s what Alberta Health Services, the body that oversees healthcare in Alberta, says about Covid. It’s a great example of authorities simply lying about readily available data:
    “COVID-19 causes severe disease in a higher percentage of cases than seasonal influenza. Estimates of mortality in COVID-19 cases depend on many things, but on average they range from about 1-2 deaths per 100 people infected. By comparison, seasonal influenza is deadly in about 1 in every 1000 who are infected.”
    The case fatality rate for Covid in Alberta is 1.4. In the last ten years the case fatality rates for seasonal influenza have ranged as high as 3.1.
    https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm
    https://open.alberta.ca/publications/2561-3154

  195. @Jay Fink

    I was gonna get into this, but felt it was off-topic. But you definitely have a point.

    And I’ll add that not only did it kill radio, it killed music. By making Top 4o syndicated, it essentially did away with any control regional radio stations had. We now have a few conglomerate record companies feeding tunes to two large radio companies.

    Granted, things weren’t exactly localized in the 1990s. But you did get Nirvana bubbling up from seemingly nowhere when the decade began and Lou Bega taking everyone by surprise when it ended. This kind of thing is gone now.

  196. Guest007 says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    What would be your example of a country that no longer has public schools but totally depends of private schools? Most school choice programs realize that they need to leave the public schools in place since the public schools will act as the schools of last resort.

    Also, how will having all private schools affect mobility in the U.S. Image U.S. military personnel being assigned to a locaiton where there are not seats in the private schools.

  197. Guest007 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    So how many deaths a day should the U.S. accept so that people can go to a bar and spread Covid-19 around at a faster rate. When claiming that one is not scared and will go out with out a mask and without social distancing, then many other people will not go out to avoid the idiots. Claiming that a 20% increase in total deaths in the U.S. is hype and scare porn does not lend credibility to any argument or proposal that follows.

  198. Muggles says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    It’s time to canvas for a serious push to get Sailer off of the these pages for good. I will volunteer to write daily posts in his place to keep the web traffic moving. There is no reason why he should be allowed to continue his campaign of nonsense

    More delusional wishful thinking.

    Why don’t you send Ron a few dozen of your four to seven daily media commentaries to let him review your talent?

    Everything looks easy to an amateur. The large number of comments iSteve receives, many very high quality, are testament to his usefulness and talent.

    But no, you’ll just whine about iSteve while you pretend you have better skills and ideas. .

  199. Muggles says:
    @Mark G.

    because the future is AOC and Ilhan Omar.

    These two will be lucky to remain un-indicted for their various scams and crimes in the next four years.

    “The Future Is Communism”, “The Future is Venezuelan Socialism”, etc.

    Reality and economics based on human behavior have a way of taming bad ideas, eventually.

    One element of “Boomer” thinking as age creeps up is embedded pessimism. This has been written about since the early Greek philosophers did so. Their Boomers made it to the ripe old age of 40. Athens was going to hell because the kids won’t listen, etc.

    Intellectual/ideological currents wax and wane. Utopia always seems possible after a long run of progress and relatively good times. COVID has knocked the wind out of most economic sails and the magic Fed money is nearly all used up.

    Predictions about the “wave of the future” are uniformly wrong.

  200. @Guest007

    I meant to answer you on that. We don’t eat out much because my wife has us eating super healthy. She doesn’t drink. I don’t drink any more.* It’s not about the bars and restaurants. It’s about having some perspective and knowing this is not that be a deal at all. It’s about not getting caught up in the latest (OK, 2nd-latest) infotainment panic-fest.

    I will not wear a mask, unless it’s wear it or get fired or have the cops called, because I’m not falling for the hype. You obviously have. 20% more deaths of old people for now, and probably a low valley in the graph fairly soon behind that – not worried ….

    As for the “idiots” would that include the mask-wearing, lady 12 ft away from me, facing the same direction working out on some elliptical machine telling me I had to wear a mask while on the recumbent bike machine? Is she one of the idiots or not?

    I have only one proposal. Everyone quit with the hysteria that makes this country look like it’s full of menopausal women.

    .

    * No more than I did before anyway.

    • Replies: @Guest007
  201. @Clyde

    Sorry, I agree with Jack, Clyde. I don’t think Jack D. is a hypocrite and I’m not a hypocrite for thinking and writing the same thing. Trump is as scatterbrained as a 2 month old kitten. He can’t focus. Oh, the D’s bothered him for 3 years about the Russia BS? Well, get a trusted associate (rather than hiring swamp creatures) to delegate all that to. “You respond to all requests for information, you tell me what to tweet out each evening about, it, and let me concentrate on strategy regarding the immigration invasion and invade-the-world policy. Go, leave me alone and take care of it.”. That’s what an executive does.

    That doesn’t mean I want anyone else to win unless it were someone with his same love for America and Americans but a better brain in his head. AnotherDad compared Trump favorably to Reagan, but I differ. Ronald Reagan had long-term plans. He had a strategy. He knew what he wanted at each point. (Sure he got fooled by trusting the US Congress, so I do fault him for that.)

    Of course, I want Trump to win over Biden. Does it make me a hypocrite for criticizing his major flaws? They are major, or we’d be doing a lot better and I’d be a lot happier.

    There was a commenter named Jack Hanson, aka later, Jack Henson, who you might recall, Clyde. In a long back-and-forth deal that I finally got tired of, he kept insisting that because people pointed out the flaws of the President, they wanted the Hildabeast instead. That does not compute.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Thanks: Jack D
    • Replies: @Clyde
  202. @Clyde

    Trump was very focused until he was bombarded by the Dems-Deep State for the last 4 years. Hypocrites like you will miss him when he’s gone. You will be crying over what used to be.
    “You don’t know what you got ’till it’s gone”

    Glad that there are people who are uncritical Trump supporters. Every political movement needs them. Especially if they tend to be people who are perfectionists, i.e. if their guy’s not a hero, he’s a slug. My opinion is that Trump’s views on many issues are different from mine, but that’s OK. With some of his fans, if they believed his views to be different from theirs in any major respect, they’d sit out the election. So I’m OK with uncritical fans. They should all show up to vote on Election Day, if they haven’t voted already, for Trump.

  203. @Guest007

    So how many deaths a day should the U.S. accept

    Well, on average and from all causes, 7-8000 people die every.single.day in the US. (the range is actually a bit wider than that: monthly average death rates fall away pretty sharply during the warmer months).

    Given the nature of reporting schedules, you might get the odd Monday-after-a-bad-Sunday where you’ll get 9,000 added to the rolls – especially during winter.

    If you’re unhappy with ~50,000 Americans dying every.single.week you are not cognitively equipped to handle large numbers and would be better off living in a small tribal group.

    Western technology is pretty good, but we haven’t abolished death yet.

    Turning instead to the pissweak ‘sick elderly killer’ that has you all askeer’d – to the point where you’re begging your overlords to keep The Livestock in their pens… it can cause a fairly nasty illness, but it has a trivial likelihood of killing you unless you’re 85 and deathly-ill and terribly unlucky.

    In all other circumstances, your odds of ‘making it’ if exposed to the virus, is about 99.95% (and is an increasing function of age).

    Comparisons make for useful heuristics – and you seem to have no useful heuristics, which is what makes you so vulnerable to big-number nonsense.

    Test your heursitic framework: what is your best guess for the average daily death toll from ILI (influenza-like illnesses) during reg’lar old ‘flu season? What about in a bad flu year (like 2017/18)?

    Let’s do some sums (always using CDC data) – concentrating on recent unpleasant periods when the global economy wasn’t put into an induced coma.

    In the first 4 weeks of 2018, P&I (Pneumonia and Influenza) deaths were a bit under 10.4% of all deaths.

    In 2015, it was a little over 10.25%.

    All-cause deaths in the first 4 weeks of any given year is (roughly) 235,000 – that was the forecast for the first 4 weeks of this year, and ‘actual’ was in-line at 235,437.

    10.385% of that, comes to 24,404 for those 4 weeks; that’s what “2018 redux” would have looked like at current population levels.

    2015 redux” would have been closer to 24,152.

    That’s ~1000 a day, to within a tolerable margin of error.

    So if you’re all-fired keen to stun-gun the global economy to prevent elderly chronically-ill people from dying from respiratory illness, where were you in February 2015 and February 2018?

    Were you demanding that the entire global economy be put into a vegetative state in order to prevent those 1,000 deaths a day?

    If not, why are you acting like such a sissy now?

    People die: almost all of them are tragedies at an individual/family level, but in the case of COVID19 the vast bulk of them were either ‘due’ to die this year, or were ‘due’ to die last ‘flu season but were spare because last ‘flu season was comparatively mild by historical standards) … the so-called ‘dry tinder’ effect.

    It also didn’t help that throughout the West – in New York, in the UK, and in Australia – a panicked over-reaction led to coronavirus-infected elderly people being transferred out of hospitals and put back into retirement homes… where all that ‘dry tinder’ was stored.

    That’s why a very large proportion of all COVID19 deaths happened to aged-care residents.

    • Replies: @Guest007
  204. Clyde says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Trump saved you from four years of Hillary and God willing he will save us from four years of Biden-Kamala-Cuomo. Yeah Cuomo has a buzz that he will be Biden’s Attorney General. Trump went into office with wealth of 2-3 billion. As soon as he is out of the Presidency (2022 or 2025) the Federal and NY State Dems are going to prosecute him and Don Jr to the hilt. Try to ruin him financially and put him in prison. With his disruptive Presidency, Trump has sacrificed his former billionaire world and lifestyle.

    So I am holding off my Trump criticisms until after this election. And Jack, his nasty dismissive language for Trump got me pissed. When President Biden ups his taxes he will regret dismissing Trump as an xxx.

  205. Guest007 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Once again, someone who wants to set policy based upon their own vanity and their personal life situation. When it comes to claiming that coivd-19 truthers want to save the economy, what they really want is to an A-hole to those around them and they seem to enjoy being an A-hole.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  206. Guest007 says:
    @Kratoklastes

    First, I am always amazed that individuals who basic premise is that every public health official in the U.S. is a liar and has no idea what they are doing. That every emergency department employee has no idea what they are doing and is lying. That public health officials the world over are lying and are wrong. If for you to be right, everyone else has to be wrong.

    Second, there have been a little over 8 million people confirmed with covid-19 and 220 deaths. That is a death rate of a little less than 3%. That does not even count the 1 million people who have been hospitalized. The death rate for the entire world is around 4.5%. That is well above the numbers that every covid-19 truthers seems to cut and paste from Infowars. The total deaths in the U.S. is up 20% over just six months and with the death rates climbing back up again.

    Third, reducing all impacts to either dead or nothing happened is a massive mistake. The huge amount of resources that has been spent in healthcare for the 1 million (about 5 Coivd-19 hospitalizations for every death) should also be considered. Does anyone really believe that every biomedical equipment manufacturer and drug company would be scrambling if Covid-19 is just a sissy flu?

    Fourth, assuming that there would be the same number of deaths from Coivd-19 (220k in mid October 2020) if no precautions were taken is a massive, boneheaded error. The deaths are at 220k due to not only learning how to treat Covid-19 but also due to social distancing, masking, and elder care facilities getting much better at infection control.

    Fifth, resorting to insults always undermines anyone’s point of view. In 1990, the three largest causes of death in the U.S. were all infectious disease. That is why the government is involved in public health and virtually every county in the U.S. has a health department. To claim that everyone can go back to living as if it is the time of Little House on the Prairie and that nothing bad will happen is not only wrong, it is insane.

    And last, what many Americans are now realizing from the coivd-19 response is how many of the fellow Americans are narcissistic sociopaths who seem to delight in the deaths and suffering of their fellow Americans and will not go one step out of their way to help anyone.

  207. @Guest007

    Wanting my freedom is not setting policy. You can stay in your house all day, order in fried chicken and even eat the mashed potatoes through it, I don’t care!

    If being right is being an asshole, then I am going to end up an asshole. ’nuff said.

  208. vinteuil says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    ID, it’s been clear for quite a long time to those few of us who pay you any attention that you’re a “troll” in the classical sense: somebody who posts silly stuff that he doesn’t really believe just to get a rise out of people.

    That guest post of yours that AE hosted? Rarely, if ever, have I been so embarrassed for anybody.

    It was just so clear that you’ve never in your life listened to a Schubert Sonata.

  209. A Bloke says:
    @Redneck farmer

    The graph and data presented in this article is mistaken: the average number of NYC death per week has been 2000, for years now. This calls into question everything stated in this article.

    View the NY State data here: https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/vital_statistics/2017/table31b.htm

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  210. @A Bloke

    This graph is for New York City not New York State.

  211. @Mark G.

    This is late, but thank you, Mark G. Your observation is spot on.

    I am in that same late Boomer category, and I have endured insults here from younger commenters who don’t know shit about it.

    It bothers me when people throw us in with our older brothers and sisters. We did have a different experience growing up, and dare I say we were never as naive. I was the youngest in our family, and I watched my older siblings do all the dumb things their contemporaries did, while my country convulsed in violence and generational division. It was, to be honest, rather traumatizing.

    Culturally and intellectually, the Boomer category should end with people born sometime before the end of the 1950s.

    Nor did we have the benefit of the same opportunities. As you allude to, by the time we came of age, America was into an energy crisis, double-digit inflation and the beginning of our now never-ending stupid, low-paying jobs. We are not “the Boomers” who walked into adulthood with all of America laid out before them for the taking. They are still children. This late boomer matured, early, among the garbage they left behind from their partying.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  212. @Guest007

    A free country.

    Or maybe that country with Boku Haram.

    Yours is same old “too big to fail” argument.

    The military. Really. If the USAF was able to figure out (infinite budget) how to send a bunch of guys to the moon and back, I’m sure the Pentagon can figure out how to teach military dependents in their homes.

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