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Remember the Education Reform juggernaut right before the Great Awokening? Various billionaires announced that to end racial inequality, All We Had to Do Is to Fix the Schools and that they’d just been to a conference in Aspen where they had a brainstorm about exactly how to do it, usually involving teaching public school students to think more like billionaires. Or something.

But that didn’t much work, although some Back to Basics efforts like KIPP seemed to do some good for some poor kids of good character. But then came the Great Awokening and it became racist to attribute racial gaps to anything other than Systemic Racism and to suggest any remedies other than jobs and cash handouts for blacks.

From the New York Times news section:

Regents Exams May Become Optional for High School Graduation in New York

The tests had once been seen as a hallmark of academic rigor, but high-stakes graduation tests have fallen out of favor nationally.

By Troy Closson
Nov. 13, 2023
Updated 9:17 a.m. ET

… Half the country required exit exams a decade ago. Today, New York is an outlier, joined by only a handful of other states, including Florida and Massachusetts.

… The proposed changes would have once have been hard to imagine in New York, a steadfast champion of statewide testing and rigorous standards. A decade ago, the state embraced the Common Core, for example, a controversial set of English and math standards meant to raise academic levels.

But in recent years, it became unclear whether the state was actually boosting achievement and helping more students graduate prepared for college. Some research shows the Regents requirement in particular may have done little to improve outcomes. Instead, it may have led more low-income and Black students to drop out.

Now, Ms. Rosa said the state wants to tackle graduation “through the lens of students” who have faced barriers in “access and opportunities.” …

Education leaders and advocates worry that standardized test scores can be influenced by a student’s income, cultural differences or other obstacles. …

Ms. Rosa said New York’s planned overhaul is “really, truly not lowering standards”

I.e., the overhaul really, truly is lowering standards.

and would simply better address each student’s needs. …

“Everybody’s not going to need algebra. Everybody’s not going to need historical dates,” Mr. McCutchen said. “But they will need to know how to problem solve and ask questions.”

In other words, everybody needs a high g factor of IQ.

Lotsa luck with that.

In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.

 
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  1. Steeve is angry because IQcracy is in risk but but is exactly because selecting High IQ parrots and Jewish Paidean that we have irrational illibs making laws,

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @TWS
    @Santoculto

    Ducky?

    Replies: @res

    , @ChrisZ
    @Santoculto

    “High-IQ Parrots” is a vivid and useful coinage. Thanks.

    Replies: @Hail

    , @tyrone
    @Santoculto


    but but
     
    .....Your comment is a concrete example of the competency crisis ....less gibberish please.
    , @American Citizen
    @Santoculto

    This is the natural result of 50 years of affirmative action. Supervisors, managers, directors who simply don't know the basics of the jobs they hold.

  2. “Everybody’s not going to need algebra. Everybody’s not going to need historical dates,” Mr. McCutchen said. “But they will need to know how to problem solve and ask questions.”

    You learn to problem solve and ask questions by first immersing yourself in facts, such as memorizing historical dates, working many algebra problems, memorizing spelling lists, memorizing poems or the preamble to the Constitution.
    You want to be spontaneous and creative on game day? Practice your drills during the week.
    You want to problem solve and have an original insight? Do a lot of rote homework.
    People who have mastered an art or science, or at least studied one enough to appreciate the craft, know that practice, drills, and rote work are essential.
    Modern educators are idiots.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones, Hibernian
    • Replies: @puttheforkdown
    @rebel yell


    You learn to problem solve and ask questions by first immersing yourself in facts, such as memorizing historical dates, working many algebra problems, memorizing spelling lists, memorizing poems or the preamble to the Constitution
     
    Uh...nah. If you're smart, you're just smart. Technical ability is what you're describing; problem solving is innate and comes from high g, a biological fitness factor you can't inculcate with rote learning. In other words, well made people don't need school.

    Replies: @res, @Wilkey, @Shale boi

    , @Twinkie
    @rebel yell


    You want to problem solve and have an original insight? Do a lot of rote homework.
    People who have mastered an art or science, or at least studied one enough to appreciate the craft, know that practice, drills, and rote work are essential.
    Modern educators are idiots.
     
    100%.

    Likewise, a lot of "modern educators" are opposed to "teaching to tests," but this is contrary to actual, you know, scientific evidence on that issue, which has shown that tests (and studying for them) improve knowledge retention, i.e. when pupils know they will be tested on a subject, they tend to pay more attention to memorizing and retaining the knowledge that is required for the particular tests.

    Replies: @res

    , @Hibernian
    @rebel yell

    There's a reason computers have both processing and memory capability; and thumbing through a book at test time, if its made open book, won't cut it.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @rebel yell

    I knew this was going to happen the first time I saw my ex-girlfriend's cursive penmanship. She went to a tier one research university. Not Ivy League; Big 10.

  3. Regents Exams May Become Optional for High School Graduation in New York

    Huh? They were optional back in the 1970s. The Regents were meant for the college-bound. Everyone else got a plain-Jane diploma. Are they given to everybody now?

    There was a neat rule: if you failed a particular course but managed to pass the state Regents exam for it, then you got credit for it. I took advantage of that once or twice.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    One of my oldest friends, who grew up on a farm in Upstate New York, told me that he hated school so much that all he did was goof off. Then he did so well on his Regents Exams that New York gave him a free ride to one of its state colleges.

    Of course he blew that by goofing off his first year of free college and then dropping out.

    After that he worked with me, a high school dropout, on a Forest Service crew in the Rockies.

    Eventually, I earned my degree at the University of Colorado. As I was doing that, my friend decided he was smart enough to get into Cornell, and somehow he did. He got his degree there, but it wasn't free.

    Replies: @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Prester John

    , @Jimi
    @Reg Cæsar

    I went to high school in the 1990s. The Regents diploma was for the college-bound kids and everyone else had the local diploma. The big difference was that the kids that took the Regents diploma passed the state Regents exam which ensured they met higher standards.

    In the 1990s the state decided that it's racist or classist to only permit some kids to get a Regents diploma. Everyone should go to college so everyone has to take the Regents exam and get a regents diploma. Predictably this meant a lot of kids became dropouts because they couldn't pass the Regents exam.

    It's good the state is going back to the old rules.

  4. @Santoculto
    Steeve is angry because IQcracy is in risk but but is exactly because selecting High IQ parrots and Jewish Paidean that we have irrational illibs making laws,

    Replies: @TWS, @ChrisZ, @tyrone, @American Citizen

    Ducky?

    • Replies: @res
    @TWS

    Probably not. SantoCulto is a long time commenter who took a break from 2019 to mid-2023. See his comment history.

  5. Like Atlas Shrugged, except the producers are ordinary working people at every level.
    And instead of running off to an invisible tech utopia, they die.

    Because Ayn Rand heroes don’t really exist, but Ayn Rand villains do.

    • Agree: Robertson, mc23
    • Thanks: Old Prude
  6. There is 2015-2019 Regents Exam results data available here. Results broken down by school, year,and test.
    https://data.cityofnewyork.us/Education/2014-15-to-2017-19-NYC-Regents-Exam-Results-Public/bnea-fu3k

    But that only goes through 2019 and only includes aggregate data.

    Looking harder I found this terrific source.
    https://infohub.nyced.org/reports/academics/test-results

    It has an Excel file with 2015-2022 results. But even better it has breakdowns by sex and race. Also note the School Profile worksheet where you can enter the school DBN by hand and get a nice report.

    Any thoughts on useful analyses to do with this data?

    • Replies: @dux.ie
    @res

    Elsewhere some1 asserted that in no US district where Black Schools beat White Schools. From https://infohub.nyced.org/reports/academics/test-results the data just prove that is wrong.
    https://twitter.com/dux_ie/status/1724291822476837097

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rich, @res

  7. @rebel yell

    “Everybody’s not going to need algebra. Everybody’s not going to need historical dates,” Mr. McCutchen said. “But they will need to know how to problem solve and ask questions.”
     
    You learn to problem solve and ask questions by first immersing yourself in facts, such as memorizing historical dates, working many algebra problems, memorizing spelling lists, memorizing poems or the preamble to the Constitution.
    You want to be spontaneous and creative on game day? Practice your drills during the week.
    You want to problem solve and have an original insight? Do a lot of rote homework.
    People who have mastered an art or science, or at least studied one enough to appreciate the craft, know that practice, drills, and rote work are essential.
    Modern educators are idiots.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Twinkie, @Hibernian, @Emil Nikola Richard

    You learn to problem solve and ask questions by first immersing yourself in facts, such as memorizing historical dates, working many algebra problems, memorizing spelling lists, memorizing poems or the preamble to the Constitution

    Uh…nah. If you’re smart, you’re just smart. Technical ability is what you’re describing; problem solving is innate and comes from high g, a biological fitness factor you can’t inculcate with rote learning. In other words, well made people don’t need school.

    • Replies: @res
    @puttheforkdown

    To reason well about the world it helps to have a certain body of knowledge. For example, knowing something about history (and in particular the chronology) helps both making connections with today and exposing bogus "historical narratives."

    One benefit of being smart is it tends to be easier to learn things in a more holistic fashion rather than just endlessly rote learning things like historical dates. Making connections (e.g. a sequence of events) helps memory.


    In other words, well made people don’t need school.
     
    Perhaps, but they do need education. For many reading might suffice. Though it helps to have knowledgeable people making suggestions. And exposure to the world to both put things in perspective and allow making use of that knowledge and smarts.
    , @Wilkey
    @puttheforkdown


    In other words, well made people don’t need school.
     
    Ok. This goes down as the absolute dumbest comment on this and many other threads.

    So, give us an example of a “well made” person who had in education whatsoever?

    Of course intelligent people need education. Pretty much everyone who has ever made any significant contribution to any field of human endeavor has had a plenty of formal education or training. An intelligent mind needs knowledge on which to act, otherwise it’s like an engine without fuel.

    Replies: @anon, @Unintended Consequence, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Shale boi
    @puttheforkdown

    With the previous others, I disagree. Even for high IQ people, you need schema to problem solve. Essentially a lot of creativity and problem solving is actually combination and recognition. A high IQ may help in the occasional "cavalry charges". And it may help in terms of memory and of assimilation of data. But it's still very much something where you need to train and to train by learning things. Yes, whether you are Lisa Randall or just a 145 IQ Steveosphere commentor...or even a 100 IQ mechanic. Yes, there are differences amongst us, but there are very many commonalities of pedagogy (limits of the meat brain) also.

    https://gregashman.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/teaching-for-understanding/

    "It is a profoundly erroneous truism, repeated by all copy-books and by eminent people when they are making speeches, that we should cultivate the habit of thinking of what we are doing. The precise opposite is the case. Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking about them. Operations of thought are like cavalry charges in a battle — they are strictly limited in number, they require fresh horses, and must only be made at decisive moments."

  8. @Reg Cæsar

    Regents Exams May Become Optional for High School Graduation in New York


     
    Huh? They were optional back in the 1970s. The Regents were meant for the college-bound. Everyone else got a plain-Jane diploma. Are they given to everybody now?

    There was a neat rule: if you failed a particular course but managed to pass the state Regents exam for it, then you got credit for it. I took advantage of that once or twice.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jimi

    One of my oldest friends, who grew up on a farm in Upstate New York, told me that he hated school so much that all he did was goof off. Then he did so well on his Regents Exams that New York gave him a free ride to one of its state colleges.

    Of course he blew that by goofing off his first year of free college and then dropping out.

    After that he worked with me, a high school dropout, on a Forest Service crew in the Rockies.

    Eventually, I earned my degree at the University of Colorado. As I was doing that, my friend decided he was smart enough to get into Cornell, and somehow he did. He got his degree there, but it wasn’t free.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I was mostly a B student in high school. Mostly because I didn’t then and never believed in homework. Even back in the older days before affirmative action for women, my grades wouldn’t have gotten me into one of the top 5 colleges in the USA.

    But my SATs did.

    Our kids went to Montessori school from preschool up through 6th grade. We picked the preschool b cause we needed daycare. But what was wonderful was Montessori even the ones that go up to 8th grade doesn’t believe in homework.

    Wonderful for our family specially because the boys were born late august. Twins and birthday late in the school year they fell asleep at 7 pm till they were 8 and 7/30 till they were 11 no matter where they were or why was going on. So how are parents who get home at 6/pm going to fit in the homework burden.?

    Massive amounts of homework became the norm for a while because the massive increase in average IQ of 87 Hispanic Indians dragged the achievement achites down so badly. So what was the solution? Hours and hours of homework. Aka put the burden on the parents. Including immigrants with IQs in the 80s who didn’t know Spanish let alone English.

    The days of high test scores for hiring or admission to college ended in 1968. When White men president and vice president lobbied intensively to pass the 1968 affirmative action act. And the 100 White men senate voted for it. So did the Congress. Which had only about 12 minority or women critters in 1968.

    The college administrators and admissions people, being mostly commie Jew liberals rejoiced.




    Look on your state public school curriculum and see how little time is spent on academics. 1 through third grade 20 minutes of 4 subjects. One hour and 20 minutes of academics. 4through 6 30 minutes of 4 subjects. Exactly 2 hours 7 and 8th grades 35 or 40 minutes of 4 subjects exactly 2 hours 20 minutes.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hail

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk


    ...my friend decided he was smart enough to get into Cornell, and somehow he did. He got his degree there, but it wasn’t free.
     
    Regular Cornell, not the state ag school there? My step-uncle went to the latter, and ended up VP at a major condiment maker. He was pulling down a half-million when he retired, back in the 20th century. Still enjoying it at 90 or so.

    Lore is that (regular) Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get into, but the hardest to get out of-- with a degree, that is. They make you work for it.

    Scott Adams turned down Cornell to attend nearby, much humbler Hartwick. Why, you ask? He didn't want to leave school a virgin four years later! Hartwick had a nursing program. Cornell, while co-ed almost since its inception, was still 3-1 male in the mid-'70s:

    https://brancra.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/cornell_enrollment_1.png

    Next-door Ithaca College, with a major music program, may have helped a little. But nothing like Russell Sage and SUNY Potsdam's balancing of very male RPI and Clarkson, respectively.

    Replies: @Gforce, @Reg Cæsar, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous

    , @Prester John
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The Regents tests people on subjects learned (English, the sciences, math etc). If your buddy goofed off and aced the Regents his IQ must be at least one SD north of the norm, probably even higher. I goofed off too (I have the Regents test scores to prove it!) but the difference is my IQ is several clicks south of the norm.

    Some people are innately very intelligent. They've been dealt four aces. The rest of us have not so we play the hand as best we can, if we choose to play it at all.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Buzz Mohawk

  9. The competency crisis seems to have spread to the Secret Service and shooting straight . Today in DC , agents fired at perps breaking into Bidens granddaughter car — but did not hit them
    Bullets can ricochet and kill innocents … I expect SS bullets to lodge or be slowed down in the body of perps

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Houston 1992


    agents fired at perps breaking into Bidens granddaughter car
     
    We are lectured over and over that lethal force may not be used in defense of property. Her vehicle was unoccupied. What gives?

    https://apnews.com/article/naomi-biden-secret-service-shooting-washington-georgetown-997126378e864c5acd0c9a1c6618c4e2


    Violent crime in Washington has also been on the rise this year, up more than 40% compared with last year.
     
    Given how elevated it was last year, that's saying something. And Washington is hardly alone. Good thing we have a Democrat administration — otherwise we'd have to do something about this.

    Replies: @Houston 1992

    , @anonymous
    @Houston 1992

    Warning shots intentional, to avoid the news stories about Biden's Secret Service actually killing a scholar?

    , @Brutusale
    @Houston 1992

    LEO shooting tends to be a joke. Compared to the shooting skills shown by your average "good guy with a gun", law enforcement is up there with gangbangers in their ability to find the X-ring.

    , @AndrewR
    @Houston 1992

    Wait so now are we allowed to kill thieves or is that only for our betters?

    , @JimDandy
    @Houston 1992

    So, I.Q. is super-important, obviously, but is the scope getting a little too narrow lately, in terms of existential threats? If America's ghettos were occupied only by Nepalese, how bad would inner-city crime be?

  10. True, but there will be opportunities all the same. Large/public organizations will be forced to dumb down hiring for diversity, but smaller private ones can resist if they want and/or create the appearance of diversity by getting XBE certification.

    As big organizations really start to feel the bite of the competency crisis they will increasingly have to sub out work to companies that are not saddled with this handicap. Work for one of these businesses or start one yourself and things should go pretty well for you.

    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn’t match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it’s depressing to see. But younger people have no memory of that world, and the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.

    • Replies: @Farenheit
    @Arclight


    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn’t match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it’s depressing to see
     
    As a late 50s dude, I sometimes explain to the youngsters about a mythical time when you went out in public and everyone was thin, there were no tattoos, people were dressed appropriately, and there was a commonly accepted set of manners.

    It's not just academics and professional competence that's taken a nose dive, it's pretty full spectrum now.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Shale boi, @Beavertales, @22pp22, @Erik L

    , @res
    @Arclight


    the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.
     
    Interesting take. Thanks.

    I wonder how the arms race of the diversity enforcers and evaders will play out. I fear you may be overoptimistic there.

    Replies: @Arclight

    , @Spangel226
    @Arclight

    You can still see the difference by simply going from a mostly white area to a mostly minority area. The standard of service one gets from pharmacy techs, waiters, repair people etc in more affluent/whiter areas is obviously different than what you get in lower class areas with a lot of blacks and Latinos. My experience is that first generation Latinos are generally reliable workers- they might not be bright, but they make up for it in motivation. But their kids are the ones who can’t pass the regents exam.

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew

    , @Poirot
    @Arclight

    "The older I get the more I admire and crave competence, just simple competence, in any field from adultery to zoology." — H. L. Mencken

    , @Alden
    @Arclight

    “Will be forced to dumb down for diversity”?

    That started by executive order 10925 in 1961 for the federal government federal contractors and state and local governments that received federal money for various projects. From school budding to roads highways and seers.

    Was accelerated in 1971 Griggs vs Duke Power and Kaiser vs Weber 1978.

    You’re not an American are you? Because affirmative action for dumb minorities has been the law of the land since 1961. Even if you live in Ogallala Nebraska you couldn’t have missed affirmative action.

    , @Rooster17
    @Arclight

    This is anecdotal but I notice a difference between the McDonald’s in a mostly White area in my town versus the higher minority area of town. The White kids are more likely to be personable and say have a nice day, where the black servers tend to not talk and just hand you the food, the overall quality is suspect too. I’m guessing this is happening all over the country in varying degrees, in all different industries. Like you said, the younger generation doesn’t even understand how bad it is, probably like my generation doesn’t understand either. I wonder, how much further down to we have to go?

    Replies: @mmack, @Stan Adams

    , @Yancey Ward
    @Arclight


    the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.
     
    If this were a good thing, South Africa should be a golden paradise for competent white people today.
  11. @Arclight
    True, but there will be opportunities all the same. Large/public organizations will be forced to dumb down hiring for diversity, but smaller private ones can resist if they want and/or create the appearance of diversity by getting XBE certification.

    As big organizations really start to feel the bite of the competency crisis they will increasingly have to sub out work to companies that are not saddled with this handicap. Work for one of these businesses or start one yourself and things should go pretty well for you.

    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn't match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it's depressing to see. But younger people have no memory of that world, and the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @res, @Spangel226, @Poirot, @Alden, @Rooster17, @Yancey Ward

    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn’t match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it’s depressing to see

    As a late 50s dude, I sometimes explain to the youngsters about a mythical time when you went out in public and everyone was thin, there were no tattoos, people were dressed appropriately, and there was a commonly accepted set of manners.

    It’s not just academics and professional competence that’s taken a nose dive, it’s pretty full spectrum now.

    • Thanks: Robertson, Hail
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Farenheit

    As a late 50s dude, I sometimes explain to the youngsters about a mythical time when you went out in public and everyone was thin, there were no tattoos, people were dressed appropriately, and there was a commonly accepted set of manners.
    ==
    Tattoos were rare in 1970. Rude people, fat people, and badly groomed people were not.

    Replies: @Curle

    , @Shale boi
    @Farenheit

    It's the Vietnam War. Got the kids all weirded out.

    Replies: @Blodgie

    , @Beavertales
    @Farenheit

    White males who can handle the trades are going to out earn all the mediocre youth whose college education has been made obsolete by AI.

    Unless a brown horde of Latinos and East Indians floods the blue color job market.

    , @22pp22
    @Farenheit

    I went to a garage to pick up my car today, and I looked around and thought: What a bunch of degenerates! One bald old dude had tattoos all over the top fo this head. The other two guys had earrings and one was grossly obese.

    Replies: @Farenheit

    , @Erik L
    @Farenheit

    I blame rock and roll music

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  12. In other words, everybody needs a high g factor of IQ.

    Lotsa luck with that.

    It’s gonna take a lotta luck
    To change the way things are
    It’s gonna take a lotta luck
    Or we won’t get too far

    In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.

    In another thread, Twinkie asked me:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/confused-anti-semitic-muslim-terrorist-attacks-black-hebrew-israelite-facility/#comment-6259166 (#173)

    Are you going to tell me that female franchise and lack of slavery are aberrations and the former conditions are going to make a comeback?

    I made no prediction, but given how things are going, anything’s possible…

    • Thanks: Robertson
    • Replies: @Redneck Farmer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I easily foresee a future where students are taught about the great idiocy that people are equal, and how it set humanity back decades.

    Replies: @anonymous coward

    , @Curle
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I remember song but never saw the video. Can’t say I’ve ever seen a woman play the saxophone.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  13. @Arclight
    True, but there will be opportunities all the same. Large/public organizations will be forced to dumb down hiring for diversity, but smaller private ones can resist if they want and/or create the appearance of diversity by getting XBE certification.

    As big organizations really start to feel the bite of the competency crisis they will increasingly have to sub out work to companies that are not saddled with this handicap. Work for one of these businesses or start one yourself and things should go pretty well for you.

    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn't match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it's depressing to see. But younger people have no memory of that world, and the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @res, @Spangel226, @Poirot, @Alden, @Rooster17, @Yancey Ward

    the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.

    Interesting take. Thanks.

    I wonder how the arms race of the diversity enforcers and evaders will play out. I fear you may be overoptimistic there.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @res

    Possibly, but a lot of times they just want to be able to report stats that are favorable. It is common for large cities to have minority subcontractor hiring requirements on projects that receive some municipal financing but look the other way when the minority business subs out the subcontract to a white business to do the actual work (personal experience with this). They are OK with the supposed disadvantaged businessperson being a pass through that gets a skim because their primary goal is to be able to put out a press release touting that some building project had 40% minority participation or whatever.

    Obviously a downside to this from the public interest standpoint is the contract is much larger than it really should be to make sure there is enough fluff in there for it to be worth everyone's time, and repeat this process on say half a dozen large subcontracts on a project costing tens or hundreds of millions and there is a lot of fat in there.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  14. @Santoculto
    Steeve is angry because IQcracy is in risk but but is exactly because selecting High IQ parrots and Jewish Paidean that we have irrational illibs making laws,

    Replies: @TWS, @ChrisZ, @tyrone, @American Citizen

    “High-IQ Parrots” is a vivid and useful coinage. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @ChrisZ


    “High-IQ Parrots”
     
    What does it mean?

    And what's this about:

    Jewish Paidean
     

    Replies: @AndrewR

  15. @Arclight
    True, but there will be opportunities all the same. Large/public organizations will be forced to dumb down hiring for diversity, but smaller private ones can resist if they want and/or create the appearance of diversity by getting XBE certification.

    As big organizations really start to feel the bite of the competency crisis they will increasingly have to sub out work to companies that are not saddled with this handicap. Work for one of these businesses or start one yourself and things should go pretty well for you.

    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn't match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it's depressing to see. But younger people have no memory of that world, and the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @res, @Spangel226, @Poirot, @Alden, @Rooster17, @Yancey Ward

    You can still see the difference by simply going from a mostly white area to a mostly minority area. The standard of service one gets from pharmacy techs, waiters, repair people etc in more affluent/whiter areas is obviously different than what you get in lower class areas with a lot of blacks and Latinos. My experience is that first generation Latinos are generally reliable workers- they might not be bright, but they make up for it in motivation. But their kids are the ones who can’t pass the regents exam.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    @Spangel226


    first generation Latinos are generally reliable workers- they might not be bright, but they make up for it in motivation. But their kids are the ones who can’t pass the regents
     
    Yes, they assimilate down. We bring them in to replace lower class Whites but their kids end up comparable to lower class Whites…so then we need to bring in more Latinos. It’s like the Looney Tunes cartoon where the hotel guest orders a cat to chase out a mouse, ends up with an elephant, and then needs a mouse to chase out the elephant…

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  16. @res
    @Arclight


    the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.
     
    Interesting take. Thanks.

    I wonder how the arms race of the diversity enforcers and evaders will play out. I fear you may be overoptimistic there.

    Replies: @Arclight

    Possibly, but a lot of times they just want to be able to report stats that are favorable. It is common for large cities to have minority subcontractor hiring requirements on projects that receive some municipal financing but look the other way when the minority business subs out the subcontract to a white business to do the actual work (personal experience with this). They are OK with the supposed disadvantaged businessperson being a pass through that gets a skim because their primary goal is to be able to put out a press release touting that some building project had 40% minority participation or whatever.

    Obviously a downside to this from the public interest standpoint is the contract is much larger than it really should be to make sure there is enough fluff in there for it to be worth everyone’s time, and repeat this process on say half a dozen large subcontracts on a project costing tens or hundreds of millions and there is a lot of fat in there.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Arclight

    This scam is rampant in the federal government. An AA firm wins the award then "teams" with one of the beltway bandits who do most of the work. But, as Arclight says, the minority participation press release looks good, which is all that the diversicrats care about.

    Replies: @Shale boi

  17. @Santoculto
    Steeve is angry because IQcracy is in risk but but is exactly because selecting High IQ parrots and Jewish Paidean that we have irrational illibs making laws,

    Replies: @TWS, @ChrisZ, @tyrone, @American Citizen

    but but

    …..Your comment is a concrete example of the competency crisis ….less gibberish please.

    • Agree: Gandydancer
  18. Some research shows the Regents requirement in particular may have done little to improve outcomes. Instead, it may have led more low-income and Black students to drop out.

    I think standardized testing is great.

    Bias — I’ve done well on them my whole life.

    Ideology — I think they are the key to tracking, making the most of people’s talents, and having an open meritocrat society with high social mobility and national cohesiveness.

    But I’m not for a single pass/fail standard. And I do think it is desirable to have high school diplomas for dumb who dutifully “show up” and don’t cause trouble, do the work but are simply too stupid to pass NY Regents level exams in several core subjects.

    Rather what American needs are competency tests. Where a kid–or adult–can demonstrate their competency in a range of subjects and skills and present those scores to an employer.

    This can keep HS kids motivated–give them an active goal toward career and adult life, even if they generally think HS is b.s. And be a work around for smart kids to study on their own and skip college–time, indoctrination and expense.

    We need more testing–with explicit, employer useable, granular scoring–not less.

    • Agree: kaganovitch, mc23
    • Replies: @mc23
    @AnotherDad

    My sister runs a multimillion business. Now when hiring she said she increasing relies upon certifications in specific skills in addition to degrees. People will find other other means to gauge competency when legacy measures become devalued.


    It will be interesting to see the ripple effects from colleges to automated resume screening. I've noticed it seems to take more bodies to perform a given amount of work. I put this down to the natural tendency of organizations to multiply subordinates but in the future it may be the results of organizations trying to comply with social mandates of diversity.

    In the end the existential question is- from whence the Power Ships?
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-23/south-africa-inquires-about-rapid-deployment-of-power-ships#xj4y7vzkg

    Replies: @Anonymous

  19. And in St Paul, it’s just getting started.

    St. Paul, Minnesota elects first all-female council in city’s history

    First Order of Business : St Paula.
    Take a look at this and tell me it’s going to go well.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/11/11/st-paul-all-female-council-minnesota-election-results

    • LOL: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Bill Jones

    Hey, Bill, I know that one on the right. Isn't she the City Council Member at LARGE?

    , @Patrick in SC
    @Bill Jones

    Shudders.

    , @ThreeCranes
    @Bill Jones

    Well, men. Keep your powder dry and your chariot axles well greased.

    Or, if you're a mariner, it's time to build our own lifeboat and cast off from this sinking ship. Make provision for yourself and any European woman who wants European children.

    It's basically a city person/rural person split. We've lost the cities but that's not a disaster as they're not as important today, what with decentralization due to autos and the internet.

    As I've traveled across America I've noticed that many small factories and machine shops have relocated to the rural/suburb fringe zone due, no doubt, to cheaper land, new infrastructure and the intelligent White workforce.

    Let Dems keep the cities with their clogged roads, decrepit waste water systems, run-down public transit, polluted air/water and generally, disagreeable whiners. Dems love to try and solve problems which are better walked away from; it gives their meaningless lives purpose.

    , @Ganderson
    @Bill Jones

    Not the St. Paul I grew up in….

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill Jones

    Evidently the one Hmong incumbent got dumped, so the final tally is less representative of the nonwhite population of the city than before, let alone the whole. A St Paul council without a Mick, Kraut, or even Jew? (IIRC, my old ward's council member was Jewish.)

    So they've got two black chicks, one with straightened hair, a Subcontinental with a Germanic surname (marriage? mixed-blood?), an Asian with a Kashmiri or Arabic surname, and a Korean. Koreans are easily the most successful of the many Asian groups in this very Asian city. I doubt her brethren are this far left, though.

    Some were endorsed by this left-wing group:

    https://directory.runforsomething.net/candidates/MN

    They're active in most states. Anyone familiar with this organization? Is it one of Soros's? Other headlines from their front page:


    Doc Martens, Bomber Jackets, No Ties: Parsing Gen Z Politicians’ Style
    What Is a Gerontocracy? A Government Ruled by the Elderly
    Battle of the ages: how America’s gerontocracy is a challenge for democracy
    A generation full of fighters: Young progressives are rising up to defend LGBTQ+ equality
    Mississippi Democrat wins primary, set to become the state’s first openly gay lawmaker (he's black)

    https://runforsomething.net/

     

    They do have a point about gerontocracy. But, hey, if you don't want "boomers", all that's left is pre-boomers. That is, if you want skill and talent.
    , @Colin Wright
    @Bill Jones


    'Take a look at this and tell me it’s going to go well.'
     
    Well, it could. It could go like one of those group projects in school. Everyone listens to the sensible Chinese girl and gets an 'A.'

    ...my daughter used to get disgusted by that; it was so obvious. Every time the class was broken up into groups, each group got either an Asian, my daughter, or the other smart white kid.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Anonymous

    , @Dmon
    @Bill Jones

    You could look back at the entire history of the world at every situation where anyone needed help of any kind. Any situation whatsoever - the ship hit a rock and the sailors are clinging to debris in shark infested waters, a water pipe burst on a freezing morning and the basement is flooding, Timmy fell down the well, the car won't start, the Iraqi's set the refinery on fire, the washing machine is broken, you name it. I bet you would not find a single case ever that, when help arrived, those in desperate need breathed a sigh of relief and exclaimed, "Thank God - a black woman!"

    , @Meretricious
    @Bill Jones

    check out sistah morbidly obese on far right--she hot as a hungry furnace

  20. In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.

    Great summary of the problem.

    This is already happening in Europe (due to fake “refugees” and free admittance to legacy colonials) and has already ruined government schools in Comrade run US cities and school districts.

    Of course not all non Whites are useless or incapable of good work. Just the numbers aren’t great.

    Lower IQ people need greater outside discipline to maintain standards and to avoid racial/ethnic tribalism in workplaces.

    Post Boomer Americans will reap the rewards of what used to be seen as “liberalism” now run amok as Woke.

    Only in areas of society and economics where objective standards are maintained can competency be maintained. Technical areas of the military (mostly) have done this and other technical areas of the economy continue to reward good work.

    “Soft areas” of society run mainly by women and barely mediocre males will get worse. Robots will put a fol of these out to pasture.

    There are some signs that the long anticipated recession is near. This may also have a cleansing effect as unproductive gabbers and lazies are pushed out. The “lifeboat” effect of discarding the useless eaters will force changes whether or not the Comrades like it.

    Over hyped and hazy concepts (hello WeWork!, etc.) will fold and the cost of investment capital, no longer being zero, will continue to eliminate the unsustainable tech and Green religion sectors.

    Taxation is parasitical to productive endeavors so Bidenomics and “soft socialism” will have to diminish. Since people and capital are mobile, you can’t maintain California Dreamin’ schemes indefinitely. Like in former Communist nations, people leave Comrade run cities as fast as they can.

    The spate of closures by leftist ideological propaganda organs and outlets is a good sign. Places like Arizona, Texas and Florida will continue to drain the swamp as they attract the productive.

    For many here, being in the Boomer cohort looks better than ever…

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Muggles


    Taxation is parasitical to productive endeavors ...
     
    Speaking of parasitical taxation, the IRS just announced the new 2023 tax rates which have been indexed for inflation. The PIOMA rate they used was 5.7%, which means taxes are being raised by the IRS.

    The spate of closures by leftist ideological propaganda organs and outlets is a good sign.
     
    Jezebel delenda est.

    Replies: @Gforce

    , @HammerJack
    @Muggles

    Most of the people who occupy this Brave New World won't be bothered by collapsing standards of professional or personal behavior. It's what they're used to, and if it bothered them they would have changed their own ways.

    What will bother them is when gibs are at stake, and even that will probably be an incremental collapse. So long as white people are seen to be suffering the most, standards collapse will be tolerable. But will the (MSM) ever portray this accurately? Not soon, I don't think.

    , @AceDeuce
    @Muggles


    Only in areas of society and economics where objective standards are maintained can competency be maintained. Technical areas of the military (mostly) have done this
     
    Scratch the military from that list--including the "mostly" part. They contract out so much technical work/maintenance these days that it's sickening. FedGov too, as a whole.

    And when these 45 y/o White Men doing that work are gone, here won't be any replacements able to shoulder the load. It's gonna get ugly. Hell, it's already ugly.
    , @Peterike
    @Muggles


    Only in areas of society and economics where objective standards are maintained can competency be maintained. Technical areas of the military (mostly) have done this

     

    Nah!

    https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2023/11/08/current-year-us-military-is-hilarious/
  21. We’re not running out of whites. What we’re running out of is sense. The purpose of ‘educational reform’ should not be ‘racial equality’, but to improve the acquisition of knowledge and skills given the chronological time available and given the time allocation to school attendance. If blacks improve proportionately more than others, that’s gravy given their baseline skills vis a vis others. A secondary purpose should be to provide parents with a greater menu of options at the primary, secondary, and tertiary level (recognize that schools themselves are meant to help parents, not supplant them). Both of these are anathema to those who see the schools as a source of a salary and to those who see schools as a conduit to social engineering projects. The ideal number of such people employed in schools is 0.
    ==
    Note also the folie a deux between black chauvinists and white progtrash. The former fancy it’s ‘disrespectful’ to tell poorly performing black youth that their performance is poor. The latter have a complex of emotions which balk at fixed standards for those they fancy are their clientele.

    • Replies: @Robertson
    @Art Deco

    No sir. We are running out of whites.

    There was 120 million American whites under 40 in 1990.

    There are only 87 million whites under 40 in America now.

    Whites haven't had an above replacement birthrate in America since 1972. White America is slowly dying off, and it's generations are getting smaller. All the miscegenation (white women marrying non-white men and having non-white offspring) isn't even being factored in. Translation: there are probably at best 80 million American whites under 40 now.

    Replies: @James Braxton

    , @Travis
    @Art Deco

    The white population has collapsed since 1990 when we had 130 million Whites under the age of 46 and today we have 85 million whites under the age of 46. This is a decline of 33% over the past 33 years.

    we have lost 45 million young whites since 1990. So we are running out of young whites, which is a big reason standards are being lowered and our military is not able to maintain our troop levels, thus they are also lowering the standards for enlisting in the military.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    You're sounding like Charles Murray. "Can't they just see this?!" No, they can't. Blacks are not just going to agree that their baseline skills are organically lower than whites. They will insist that the criteria are wrong and in any event it's all due to systemic racism. It's like asking a fat, purple-haired, 40-year old woman to admit that her lack of prospects are due to the pool getting smaller and that she's no longer a prize. Why admit that at the price of ego instead of conveniently blaming racism/sexism/lookism?

    Replies: @Gforce, @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

  22. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:

    “Everybody’s not going to need algebra.”

    If paying taxes, calculating the price of something when it’s on sale, or doubling a recipe is beyond your mental capacity, we have a problem. What exactly are we supposed to do with this large mass of adults who aren’t even as intelligent as an average white 8th grader?

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Anon

    Everybody's not going to need to know where to put the word "not" in a sentence.

    , @FPD72
    @Anon

    It’s worse than that. “Everybody’s not going to need algebra,” is to say that “Nobody’s going to need algebra.” What the “educator” meant to say was “Not everybody’s going to need algebra.”

    I would hate to live in a society in which nobody needed algebra. I’ve read that there are tribes in Africa in which their number system is “1, 2, 3, many.” I’m sure I wouldn’t want to live in such a culture but parts of America are going in that direction.

    Maybe the lack of basic arithmetic skill is contributing to the drug overdose problem; the dealers don’t know how much fentanyl to use when the amount of milk powder is cut in half.

    , @Frau Katze
    @Anon

    Re: do we need to study algebra?


    If paying taxes, calculating the price of something when it’s on sale, or doubling a recipe is beyond your mental capacity, we have a problem.
     
    Perhaps I misunderstand your comment, but these items require arithmetic not algebra. We definitely need to instruct the young in arithmetic.
  23. @Arclight
    True, but there will be opportunities all the same. Large/public organizations will be forced to dumb down hiring for diversity, but smaller private ones can resist if they want and/or create the appearance of diversity by getting XBE certification.

    As big organizations really start to feel the bite of the competency crisis they will increasingly have to sub out work to companies that are not saddled with this handicap. Work for one of these businesses or start one yourself and things should go pretty well for you.

    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn't match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it's depressing to see. But younger people have no memory of that world, and the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @res, @Spangel226, @Poirot, @Alden, @Rooster17, @Yancey Ward

    “The older I get the more I admire and crave competence, just simple competence, in any field from adultery to zoology.” — H. L. Mencken

    • Thanks: ThreeCranes
    • LOL: Farenheit
  24. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    One of my oldest friends, who grew up on a farm in Upstate New York, told me that he hated school so much that all he did was goof off. Then he did so well on his Regents Exams that New York gave him a free ride to one of its state colleges.

    Of course he blew that by goofing off his first year of free college and then dropping out.

    After that he worked with me, a high school dropout, on a Forest Service crew in the Rockies.

    Eventually, I earned my degree at the University of Colorado. As I was doing that, my friend decided he was smart enough to get into Cornell, and somehow he did. He got his degree there, but it wasn't free.

    Replies: @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Prester John

    I was mostly a B student in high school. Mostly because I didn’t then and never believed in homework. Even back in the older days before affirmative action for women, my grades wouldn’t have gotten me into one of the top 5 colleges in the USA.

    But my SATs did.

    Our kids went to Montessori school from preschool up through 6th grade. We picked the preschool b cause we needed daycare. But what was wonderful was Montessori even the ones that go up to 8th grade doesn’t believe in homework.

    Wonderful for our family specially because the boys were born late august. Twins and birthday late in the school year they fell asleep at 7 pm till they were 8 and 7/30 till they were 11 no matter where they were or why was going on. So how are parents who get home at 6/pm going to fit in the homework burden.?

    Massive amounts of homework became the norm for a while because the massive increase in average IQ of 87 Hispanic Indians dragged the achievement achites down so badly. So what was the solution? Hours and hours of homework. Aka put the burden on the parents. Including immigrants with IQs in the 80s who didn’t know Spanish let alone English.

    The days of high test scores for hiring or admission to college ended in 1968. When White men president and vice president lobbied intensively to pass the 1968 affirmative action act. And the 100 White men senate voted for it. So did the Congress. Which had only about 12 minority or women critters in 1968.

    The college administrators and admissions people, being mostly commie Jew liberals rejoiced.

    Look on your state public school curriculum and see how little time is spent on academics. 1 through third grade 20 minutes of 4 subjects. One hour and 20 minutes of academics. 4through 6 30 minutes of 4 subjects. Exactly 2 hours 7 and 8th grades 35 or 40 minutes of 4 subjects exactly 2 hours 20 minutes.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones, Hail
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Alden

    Thank you, Alden, for your thoughtful reply. I know you get kicked around here a lot, but your comment is very relevant and meaningful.

    I too pretty much got into my university because I tested at the 99th and 98th percentiles on the ACT. (I was advised that they used the ACT out there in my west, so I took it. Frankly, it seemed a lot more relevant to scholastic subjects than the SAT. I had taken the PSAT in high school, so I knew what it looked like -- rather simplistic, frankly.)

    Imagine my surprise at gaining entry into my state's particular flagship university after dropping out of high school and working my way around the country! It meant a lot to me.

    The test was right, of course. I went on to the dean's list and being an RA and then a career that most people would envy. (I still consider myself a failure, however, because I know in my heart that there was far more potential there.)

    Replies: @Curle

    , @Hail
    @Alden


    Our kids went to Montessori school from preschool up through 6th grade.
     
    I believe it is usual for Montessori to be equated with "pre-K." What does Montessori involve up to 6th grade?

    Replies: @Hail

  25. It’s not just about competence. Our nation’s woke public schools offer four things that are bad:

    1) Distortion (like the 1619 Project) presented as fact
    2) Fewer practical skills
    3) Indoctrination into leftist beliefs, including the idea that they are now morally required to be “agents of change” rather than evil United States citizens
    4) Emotional abuse

    I think #4 might be the worst one. Our public schools have been emotionally abusing black children for a long time, telling them that there is an invisible force everywhere that will prevent them from achieving anything.

    But for the past generation, they’ve been doing it to white children as well, especially the boys, telling them that they are guilty of horrific acts that extend into the present, telling boys that their moral duty is to step aside and let everyone else go first.

    This emotional abuse causes incredible inner damage, far beyond the other three items mentioned. It weakens and corrupts the person.

  26. …”a controversial set of English and math standards”

    We’re done for.

  27. For the Vanguard/BlackRock/Etc. Masters of the Universe, the “real competency” crisis is a feature, not a bug. For them, the fewer cantankerous, independent-minded whites the better.

    The “real competency” crisis will, however, be accompanied by a “fake competency” bonanza for talisman phenotypes (Blacks!, sex weirdos, etc.) and children of privilege. Masters of the Universe need fake competency bullsh*t jobs for their kids (e.g., Executive Assistant to the Associate Director of the Campus DIE Advisory Committee, $230,000/yr). Our masters also need propaganda overseers and pinup social-media influencers for “look, a squirrel” issues to distract the unwashed.

    Any STEM professional work that can be off-shored will be, e.g., to places like India, Vietnam, and Eastern Europe. Possible exceptions are civil-service and contractor USG jobs requiring U.S. citizenship.

    Any new STEM graduate whose career path is in the above category (non-USG and can be off-shored) will need an advanced (graduate) degree and/or personal connections for even an entry-level career-related position in the U.S.

    AI is going to accelerate the globalization-driven decline in career opportunities for both the non-STEM and STEM intelligentsia in western countries. If you care about your children’s future, please advise them accordingly.

  28. She is the first Latina woman to serve in the position.

    https://www.nysed.gov/commissioner-bio

    Doctor Betty A. Rosa = Broody taco taster

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @the one they call Desanex

    Latina woman? How stupid!

  29. @Arclight
    True, but there will be opportunities all the same. Large/public organizations will be forced to dumb down hiring for diversity, but smaller private ones can resist if they want and/or create the appearance of diversity by getting XBE certification.

    As big organizations really start to feel the bite of the competency crisis they will increasingly have to sub out work to companies that are not saddled with this handicap. Work for one of these businesses or start one yourself and things should go pretty well for you.

    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn't match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it's depressing to see. But younger people have no memory of that world, and the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @res, @Spangel226, @Poirot, @Alden, @Rooster17, @Yancey Ward

    “Will be forced to dumb down for diversity”?

    That started by executive order 10925 in 1961 for the federal government federal contractors and state and local governments that received federal money for various projects. From school budding to roads highways and seers.

    Was accelerated in 1971 Griggs vs Duke Power and Kaiser vs Weber 1978.

    You’re not an American are you? Because affirmative action for dumb minorities has been the law of the land since 1961. Even if you live in Ogallala Nebraska you couldn’t have missed affirmative action.

  30. @Arclight
    True, but there will be opportunities all the same. Large/public organizations will be forced to dumb down hiring for diversity, but smaller private ones can resist if they want and/or create the appearance of diversity by getting XBE certification.

    As big organizations really start to feel the bite of the competency crisis they will increasingly have to sub out work to companies that are not saddled with this handicap. Work for one of these businesses or start one yourself and things should go pretty well for you.

    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn't match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it's depressing to see. But younger people have no memory of that world, and the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @res, @Spangel226, @Poirot, @Alden, @Rooster17, @Yancey Ward

    This is anecdotal but I notice a difference between the McDonald’s in a mostly White area in my town versus the higher minority area of town. The White kids are more likely to be personable and say have a nice day, where the black servers tend to not talk and just hand you the food, the overall quality is suspect too. I’m guessing this is happening all over the country in varying degrees, in all different industries. Like you said, the younger generation doesn’t even understand how bad it is, probably like my generation doesn’t understand either. I wonder, how much further down to we have to go?

    • Replies: @mmack
    @Rooster17

    About two weeks ago Z at his Z Man blog had a post about trying to get fast food near Bodymore, Murderland where he lives.

    https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=31060

    My reply to him was:

    “My own experience of Fast Food is I avoid it when I can but out in Suburbia in damned near literal farmland the staff at our local McD’s is teenagers who share my skin palor, smile, are pleasant, and can fill orders.

    Closer in to the edges of Our Big City (Democratic run of course) if you stop in a McD’s expect to see confused expressions and hear “¿Que?” a lot when ordering.

    Within Our Big City? Oh Hell Naw!”

    But Diversity Is Our Strength you know.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    , @Stan Adams
    @Rooster17

    Download the McDonald’s app and order on your phone. With the app you can get a medium Big Mac or Quarter Pounder combo for $6.49 (plus tax). (The regular price is approaching ten dollars.) The large coffee is only a dollar.

  31. @Art Deco
    We're not running out of whites. What we're running out of is sense. The purpose of 'educational reform' should not be 'racial equality', but to improve the acquisition of knowledge and skills given the chronological time available and given the time allocation to school attendance. If blacks improve proportionately more than others, that's gravy given their baseline skills vis a vis others. A secondary purpose should be to provide parents with a greater menu of options at the primary, secondary, and tertiary level (recognize that schools themselves are meant to help parents, not supplant them). Both of these are anathema to those who see the schools as a source of a salary and to those who see schools as a conduit to social engineering projects. The ideal number of such people employed in schools is 0.
    ==
    Note also the folie a deux between black chauvinists and white progtrash. The former fancy it's 'disrespectful' to tell poorly performing black youth that their performance is poor. The latter have a complex of emotions which balk at fixed standards for those they fancy are their clientele.

    Replies: @Robertson, @Travis, @The Anti-Gnostic

    No sir. We are running out of whites.

    There was 120 million American whites under 40 in 1990.

    There are only 87 million whites under 40 in America now.

    Whites haven’t had an above replacement birthrate in America since 1972. White America is slowly dying off, and it’s generations are getting smaller. All the miscegenation (white women marrying non-white men and having non-white offspring) isn’t even being factored in. Translation: there are probably at best 80 million American whites under 40 now.

    • Replies: @James Braxton
    @Robertson

    You are forgetting to count all the whites pretending to be indians.

  32. “Everybody’s not going to need algebra…”

    I think algebra is great — after all, I made my living for several years teaching it.

    But aside from giving people a glimmering of an understanding of how engineers can design bridges and shit, it also allows students of even modest intelligence to realize they can come to understand and master an abstract system. It’s not all witchcraft; it can be fathomed.

    Even if they never go further than successfully completing Algebra I, they’ll know that they could, or somebody could, and that it all really does have an underlying, rational core.

    You could say ‘everybody’s not going to need algebra’ — but you could as reasonably say they don’t need to master basic arithmetic, or even know the name of the country they live in.

  33. In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.

    Do the utilities usually work in Brazil? Do they have indoor plumbing in all of those favelas? Or do they use chamber pots? if the former, can you flush the toilet paper down the toilet? Or do you put it in the trash receptacle next to the toilet?

    It seems to me we’re looking at Brazil do Norte circa 2050.

  34. @Arclight
    True, but there will be opportunities all the same. Large/public organizations will be forced to dumb down hiring for diversity, but smaller private ones can resist if they want and/or create the appearance of diversity by getting XBE certification.

    As big organizations really start to feel the bite of the competency crisis they will increasingly have to sub out work to companies that are not saddled with this handicap. Work for one of these businesses or start one yourself and things should go pretty well for you.

    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn't match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it's depressing to see. But younger people have no memory of that world, and the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @res, @Spangel226, @Poirot, @Alden, @Rooster17, @Yancey Ward

    the smarter and more more driven ones will recognize that in a world where competency is a luxury rather than the expectation they have the chance to really capitalize on that personally.

    If this were a good thing, South Africa should be a golden paradise for competent white people today.

  35. “the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.”

    Sports Illustrated: Cameras Caught Steelers’ Mike Tomlin Cursing Out Refs While Asking Them a Simple Question

    View post on imgur.com


    Tomlin baffled by call and accosts vibrant lady official about what the heck they are doing out there.

    the results of making NFL officials full time employees. a process started in 2013 and into effect by 2017. very quickly, those jobs became like government jobs, and are being steadily filled by government job type people. but here, ‘good enough for government work’ does not cut it. it took only 5 years before half of the game crews were looking like the DMV employees. except NFL pays 6 figures.

    imagine being paid over $100,000 a year to be terrible at your job, far worse than the people you replaced, and if anybody complains, your employer fines THEM, not you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @prime noticer

    "imagine being paid over $100,000 a year to be terrible at your job"

    You would know. On a different note...

    https://operations.nfl.com/officiating/nfl-officials-preparing-for-success/

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  36. Americans never were an intellectual rigorous people. American cars have always been junk.

    America is a ponzi scheme, it is just that now is the time it is collapsing.

    White males have created amd funded all these zombie corporations that employ lying hacks for six figure salaries. Jack Welch at GE is an illustrative case.

    The White male leadership at Boeing that decided to screw over themselves and switch production to South Carolina. Why didn’t the older generations pass on knowledge about plane making to new generations? Because they are selfish short sighted boomers.

    The fruits of boomerocracy are in full view of everyone.

    Apple makes overpriced crap for tech illiterate.
    Google search is crap.
    Microsoft sucks even more now.
    Boeing planes crash.
    US Naval ships collide and catch fire.
    Politics is a gerontocracy sideshow.

    This is the fault of White males seeking profits.

    The Steve Wozniak to Steve Jobs ratio has shifted heavily in favor of Steve Jobs.

    White men want to be like Steve Jobs. This is the for it the problem with America. Everyone of all races want to be Steve Jobs, because nowadays Steve Wozniak would be a social and financial loser.

    Yes, yes, I know Steve Jobs biological father is a Syrian.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @anyone with a brain

    White men want to be like Steve Jobs. This is the for it the problem with America. Everyone of all races want to be Steve Jobs, because nowadays Steve Wozniak would be a social and financial loser.
    ==
    Mr. Wozniak has been through three sets of divorce proceedings and is, by the looks of him, morbidly obese.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @International Jew
    @anyone with a brain

    What do you have against South Carolina?

    Replies: @Flip

    , @Renard
    @anyone with a brain


    Americans never were an intellectual rigorous people. American cars have always been junk.
     
    Before WW2, the best American cars vied with the best from anywhere. Speaking of names like Packard, Duesenberg, Pierce-Arrow and such.

    And this was the same period when America rose to technological pre-eminence in virtually every other field. In many of which WW2 was actually the catalyst for further advances.

    Replies: @anyone with a brain

    , @Curle
    @anyone with a brain

    I think your argument is a denunciation in search of a rationale.

    Boomers can be legitimately blamed for failing to resist Jewish power as it grew to nation destroying/open borders levels. But, then again few did so knowingly. Your arguments about the quality of various tech products versus your expectations comes from a strained starting point: your capacity for disappointment.

    “The fruits of boomerocracy are in full view of everyone.”

    “Apple makes overpriced crap for tech illiterate.
    Google search is crap.
    Microsoft sucks even more now.
    Boeing planes crash.
    US Naval ships collide and catch fire.
    Politics is a gerontocracy sideshow.”

    , @bomag
    @anyone with a brain

    Even if one accepts your premises and conclusions, who else would you embrace in today's world? Africans? Meso-Americans? Various Asian models? Not like there's an obvious perfection we're too stubborn to face.

  37. In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.

    Yup. Especially White Men. We don’t depend on these students for service, decent products, or support, YET, because they are still in school. In the workaday word, this has hit us a few years back, with an acceleration over the last couple of years, the Covid PanicFest economic displacement being a significant part of it in the short-term.

    See Demographics to DIE for from along with a series of 5 posts Harvesting the fruits of a half-century of Affirmative Action: Part 1 – – Part 2 – – Part 3 – – Part 4 – – Part 5. It’s a combination of AA 2.0 – part of Wokeness – along with demographic changes.

  38. @Art Deco
    We're not running out of whites. What we're running out of is sense. The purpose of 'educational reform' should not be 'racial equality', but to improve the acquisition of knowledge and skills given the chronological time available and given the time allocation to school attendance. If blacks improve proportionately more than others, that's gravy given their baseline skills vis a vis others. A secondary purpose should be to provide parents with a greater menu of options at the primary, secondary, and tertiary level (recognize that schools themselves are meant to help parents, not supplant them). Both of these are anathema to those who see the schools as a source of a salary and to those who see schools as a conduit to social engineering projects. The ideal number of such people employed in schools is 0.
    ==
    Note also the folie a deux between black chauvinists and white progtrash. The former fancy it's 'disrespectful' to tell poorly performing black youth that their performance is poor. The latter have a complex of emotions which balk at fixed standards for those they fancy are their clientele.

    Replies: @Robertson, @Travis, @The Anti-Gnostic

    The white population has collapsed since 1990 when we had 130 million Whites under the age of 46 and today we have 85 million whites under the age of 46. This is a decline of 33% over the past 33 years.

    we have lost 45 million young whites since 1990. So we are running out of young whites, which is a big reason standards are being lowered and our military is not able to maintain our troop levels, thus they are also lowering the standards for enlisting in the military.

    • Agree: Mark G., RadicalCenter
    • Thanks: Old Prude, Houston 1992
    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Travis


    we have lost 45 million young whites since 1990
     
    As one of those 130 million, I'm (sort-of) happy to report that according to the actuarial tables 90% of us are still here. We're just not young anymore.

    https://youtu.be/uBxMPqxJGqI

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Travis


    we have lost 45 million young whites since 1990.
     
    That doesn't include another 30-40 million lost since 1973. There was this court case named, ironically, after eggs.



    https://www.doctorkiltz.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/AdobeStock_24975836-1030x687.jpeg

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Guest007
    @Travis

    The military is lowering standards because the civilian unemployment rate is less than 4%, more than 50% of public school students are on free lunch, and the military is coming out of a long period of higher tempo operations.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  39. @Reg Cæsar

    Regents Exams May Become Optional for High School Graduation in New York


     
    Huh? They were optional back in the 1970s. The Regents were meant for the college-bound. Everyone else got a plain-Jane diploma. Are they given to everybody now?

    There was a neat rule: if you failed a particular course but managed to pass the state Regents exam for it, then you got credit for it. I took advantage of that once or twice.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jimi

    I went to high school in the 1990s. The Regents diploma was for the college-bound kids and everyone else had the local diploma. The big difference was that the kids that took the Regents diploma passed the state Regents exam which ensured they met higher standards.

    In the 1990s the state decided that it’s racist or classist to only permit some kids to get a Regents diploma. Everyone should go to college so everyone has to take the Regents exam and get a regents diploma. Predictably this meant a lot of kids became dropouts because they couldn’t pass the Regents exam.

    It’s good the state is going back to the old rules.

  40. anonymous[384] • Disclaimer says:

    Famous and high-earning YouTuber Mr Beast has used some of his earnings to construct simple, serviceable wells bringing fresh water to hundreds of thousands of people in Africa

    But he is now accused of racism, embarrassing Africa’s black governments by the implicit suggestion they are unconcerned and incompetent, and using Africans as a prop to promote himself

    ‘MrBeast faces new criticism, admits his humanitarian efforts might get him ‘canceled’’
    https://www.deseret.com/entertainment/2023/11/6/23949077/mrbeast-canceled-backlash-wells-africa-criticism

    • Replies: @G. Poulin
    @anonymous

    Too much altruism will get you killed. Learn this, Mr. Beast, and let those Africans dig their own damn wells.

  41. Having the Regents Exam hasn’t done much for New York, the Bart Simpson underachiever of states (How’s that Second Avenue Subway going? Maybe another 100 years will do the trick.). Eliminating it isn’t going to have much effect either way.

  42. The the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tounged wizards withdrew,
    And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to belive it was true
    That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four—
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more…

    • Replies: @SFG
    @zoos

    You cut it off before the best part:

    "As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
    There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
    That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
    And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
    As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
    The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!"

    , @RadicalCenter
    @zoos

    Jordan is an intelligent guy and proffers some useful observations and advice — when he’s not crying or repeating things he doesn’t know much about.

    Big Mo (“Mohammad Hijab”) in early 2023 re: J Peterson’s kowtowing to Netanyahu:
    https://youtu.be/uJQbYgMb-jM?feature=shared

    J Peterson Questioned on “Message to Muslims”:
    https://youtu.be/jxr6ykYcA1M?feature=shared

    As a bonus, a history of Palestine / “israel”, sans J Peterson:
    https://youtu.be/cGZE6Yh0X6M?feature=shared

  43. We have this yenta to thank. For the past three years, she’s been a huge driver for homeschooling.

    https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/11/13/randi-weingarten-homeschooling-n2389721

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Brutusale

    I can't make sense of the thing you linked to, because it's impossible to know whom the writer is referring, or he's just talking rot.

    "There are black families who say they turned to homeschooling in order to keep their kids away from the school-to-prison pipeline, Stuber said.

    "Families of color and those with religious affiliations seeking to avoid bullying and racism.

    "There are also families who pull their trans kids out of school to avoid an unhealthy situation where they feel threatened, Stuber said."

    I can't make sense of the posting. "families of" what "color"? "bullying and racism" by whom?

    The "school-to-prison pipeline" is non-existent.

    "trans kids"?! That's garbage.

    Replies: @bomag, @Brutusale

  44. I’m curious about how the billionaire class is discussing this among themselves, now that it’s becoming clear that they can’t just spend their way out of many of these problems.

    Have they resigned themselves to just living in Global Brazil? Or are they thinking more of the “Elysium” model, where they will try to establish enclaves (on earth to begin with, possibly in space at some future date) to preserve civilization for themselves while the rest of the planet turns into a giant favela?

    Elon Musk is clearly in the “Elysium” camp, though I doubt he’d put it so bluntly — at least in public. I wonder if there are others.

    • Replies: @Shale boi
    @Mr. Blank

    Do a search on billionaires in New Zealand. It's sort of the de facto place for wealthy preppers.

    Replies: @Renard

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Mr. Blank

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2naTu5WpsEQ

    , @bomag
    @Mr. Blank

    Hasn't most of human existence been the "Elysium" model? I.E. you carve out a village of 150 people or so; defend it, and hope no one takes what you've got.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  45. Anonymous[161] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve been watching this since the 90s with distaste. Actually, hedge fund parasites viewed education as a lucrative market, not as an ameliorative project. Underneath the “quality” bullshit, they always planned to Taylorize it. Which requires variety-reducing organizations and not variety-increasing ones like real schools. So, lowest common denominator; rote or process over habits of mind; minimize the inputs, particularly staff. The only economical way to deal with differential learning capacity is dumb it down, so naturally that’s what they did.

    In short, the motive was not ideology but profit. The best education comes from tutors, “class” size of 1-3, and that prevents economies of scale.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Anonymous

    I suppose hedge funds have made some coin off education inc., but the thing is mainly a publicly funded jobs program/babysitting service. Local ghetto-ish school has doubled the workforce/pupil since the 70s; half or better of funding comes from fed gov.

    Few of the teachers/staff live locally; commute in, pick up a check, go home.

  46. You can have High Standards or you can have Equality – the two are mutually exclusive.

    In the meantime – the first rate man hires first rate men. The second rate man hires third rate men. Pretty obvious what is going on in our society.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @theMann

    Yeah, women are doing the hiring.

  47. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    One of my oldest friends, who grew up on a farm in Upstate New York, told me that he hated school so much that all he did was goof off. Then he did so well on his Regents Exams that New York gave him a free ride to one of its state colleges.

    Of course he blew that by goofing off his first year of free college and then dropping out.

    After that he worked with me, a high school dropout, on a Forest Service crew in the Rockies.

    Eventually, I earned my degree at the University of Colorado. As I was doing that, my friend decided he was smart enough to get into Cornell, and somehow he did. He got his degree there, but it wasn't free.

    Replies: @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Prester John

    …my friend decided he was smart enough to get into Cornell, and somehow he did. He got his degree there, but it wasn’t free.

    Regular Cornell, not the state ag school there? My step-uncle went to the latter, and ended up VP at a major condiment maker. He was pulling down a half-million when he retired, back in the 20th century. Still enjoying it at 90 or so.

    Lore is that (regular) Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get into, but the hardest to get out of– with a degree, that is. They make you work for it.

    Scott Adams turned down Cornell to attend nearby, much humbler Hartwick. Why, you ask? He didn’t want to leave school a virgin four years later! Hartwick had a nursing program. Cornell, while co-ed almost since its inception, was still 3-1 male in the mid-’70s:

    Next-door Ithaca College, with a major music program, may have helped a little. But nothing like Russell Sage and SUNY Potsdam’s balancing of very male RPI and Clarkson, respectively.

    • Replies: @Gforce
    @Reg Cæsar

    My veterinarian went to Cornell.

    He told me that the grading was much harder there than at other Ivy Schools. There was no “Gentleman’s B” nor relying on the curve.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    Correction: Adams went off to college in 1975, so the male-female ratio was down to 3:2. But, as the chart shows, that had been a very recent development (no more need for a draft deferment?), and maybe Scott was going by outdated information. Still, there were more girls at Hartwick, and he got to enjoy an NCAA national championship while there.

    Oh, wait... So did Cornell, apparently their last:


    https://cornellbigred.com/sports/2016/5/26/team-national-champions.aspx

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar


    Scott Adams turned down Cornell to attend nearby, much humbler Hartwick. Why, you ask? He didn’t want to leave school a virgin four years later!
     
    I'm shocked SHOCKED that Scott Adams couldn't manage to get himself laid in high school. This goes along with him reaching 66 without procreating, despite being married to single mothers twice.

    I will say that Penn Jillette is a genius for figuring out that the smart, unpopular girls in school are DTF.
    , @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Scott Adams turned down Cornell
     
    We’re going to need some evidence that Scott Adams was admitted to Cornell.
  48. Some self-congratulations are in order for all of us alt-light Thought Leaders and Content Creators. We’ve now radicalized the world’s richest man! Took a few years, one of his kids being brainwashed by trannies, etc.

    His personal spat with Trump will probably keep him on the sidelines in 2024, but I see him as a DeSantis mega donor in 2028.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @clifford brown
    @Pixo

    What makes these men patriots? Because they are fighting for Zionism? An ideology of a foreign people that imported the foreigners that they are now fighting?

  49. It all makes sense to me, but is there any number we can point to that can give us a quantitative sense of how fast the competency crisis is actually proceeding? Subjectively it certainly does seem clear the government is less effective than it used to be and stuff doesn’t get fixed as quickly. Can we turn that into a number somehow?

    • Replies: @theMann
    @SFG

    A basic formula:

    # of people x Type of Exam = Average score over time.

    This would give a rough estimate of where competency is going; except, that almost no releases the raw data on exam results, and many organizations, not just colleges, are dropping competency tests. For instance, Comptia doesn't seem to tell how many people have taken the A+ Cert exams, how many passed, and what the average score was, much less break them down by year. (Not that I can find, anyway. ) OTOH, the Texas Bar meticulously breaks down bar exam results, and they seem very consistent over the last 20 years. Of course, the exam might be easier too.

    My best guess is that Academic Standards in schools have declined far more than Certification Standards in the working world, but that may just be a matter of time.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @SFG

    The government? Incompetency in government is not at all what I'm worried about - it can be a good thing much of the time.

    How do we quantify the slide into 3rd-Worldliness? I can qualify it a least, but that's because I have a good memory for the way things used to work.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Mark G.
    @SFG

    You might be able to get a rough estimate of how competency levels are decreasing in the future by federal tax receipts. They dropped by almost half a trillion dollars from fy 2022 to 2023. The younger mostly nonwhite workers replacing old mostly white retiring Boomers will be less productive and will generate less tax revenue in future years.

    This makes our current welfare-warfare state unsustainable for much longer. We are approaching a cliff but instead of putting on the brakes we are pressing our foot down on the accelerator pedal. The government is trying to pay its bills with money printing but the resulting inflation is leading to a drop in living standards as wage increases do not keep up with inflation increases.

  50. @Arclight
    @res

    Possibly, but a lot of times they just want to be able to report stats that are favorable. It is common for large cities to have minority subcontractor hiring requirements on projects that receive some municipal financing but look the other way when the minority business subs out the subcontract to a white business to do the actual work (personal experience with this). They are OK with the supposed disadvantaged businessperson being a pass through that gets a skim because their primary goal is to be able to put out a press release touting that some building project had 40% minority participation or whatever.

    Obviously a downside to this from the public interest standpoint is the contract is much larger than it really should be to make sure there is enough fluff in there for it to be worth everyone's time, and repeat this process on say half a dozen large subcontracts on a project costing tens or hundreds of millions and there is a lot of fat in there.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    This scam is rampant in the federal government. An AA firm wins the award then “teams” with one of the beltway bandits who do most of the work. But, as Arclight says, the minority participation press release looks good, which is all that the diversicrats care about.

    • Replies: @Shale boi
    @Jim Don Bob

    It's like corruption in the Soviet Union. It was explained to me by a defector. Even the leaders understood that some market economy was needed to keep things functioning...and the black market was at least a market!

  51. @Muggles

    In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.
     
    Great summary of the problem.

    This is already happening in Europe (due to fake "refugees" and free admittance to legacy colonials) and has already ruined government schools in Comrade run US cities and school districts.

    Of course not all non Whites are useless or incapable of good work. Just the numbers aren't great.

    Lower IQ people need greater outside discipline to maintain standards and to avoid racial/ethnic tribalism in workplaces.

    Post Boomer Americans will reap the rewards of what used to be seen as "liberalism" now run amok as Woke.

    Only in areas of society and economics where objective standards are maintained can competency be maintained. Technical areas of the military (mostly) have done this and other technical areas of the economy continue to reward good work.

    "Soft areas" of society run mainly by women and barely mediocre males will get worse. Robots will put a fol of these out to pasture.

    There are some signs that the long anticipated recession is near. This may also have a cleansing effect as unproductive gabbers and lazies are pushed out. The "lifeboat" effect of discarding the useless eaters will force changes whether or not the Comrades like it.

    Over hyped and hazy concepts (hello WeWork!, etc.) will fold and the cost of investment capital, no longer being zero, will continue to eliminate the unsustainable tech and Green religion sectors.

    Taxation is parasitical to productive endeavors so Bidenomics and "soft socialism" will have to diminish. Since people and capital are mobile, you can't maintain California Dreamin' schemes indefinitely. Like in former Communist nations, people leave Comrade run cities as fast as they can.

    The spate of closures by leftist ideological propaganda organs and outlets is a good sign. Places like Arizona, Texas and Florida will continue to drain the swamp as they attract the productive.

    For many here, being in the Boomer cohort looks better than ever...

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @HammerJack, @AceDeuce, @Peterike

    Taxation is parasitical to productive endeavors …

    Speaking of parasitical taxation, the IRS just announced the new 2023 tax rates which have been indexed for inflation. The PIOMA rate they used was 5.7%, which means taxes are being raised by the IRS.

    The spate of closures by leftist ideological propaganda organs and outlets is a good sign.

    Jezebel delenda est.

    • Replies: @Gforce
    @Jim Don Bob

    The rate hasn’t been raised.

    They shifted the brackets up 5.7%, which may HELP lower what you pay overall if you didn’t get a 5.7% raise. You won’t pay at the next marginal higher rate for another 5.7% in income.

    The IRS has the purview to do this per the Tax Code.

  52. Well, what is the phrase I’m looking for? Frys my bacon; grinds my gears? See we’ve been having super brilliant > 150 IQ conservative writers churning out text for the last, at least, 50 years and that method of avoiding disaster has failed. Every damn insane leftist belief of 10 years ago or greater is now embraced by “conservatives”; want to hear them quote MLK Jr. they can do it by heart and love it; they kind of accept abortion in a quiet way; oh no,no,no we’re not racis etc. etc. etc. What we need is to have an army of Bull Conners ready to do what needs to be done.

    • Replies: @Blodgie
    @Malcolm Y

    You’re calling for a fascistic police state to be imposed on the citizens?

    Angry, low IQ government agents with dogs and fire hoses to keep the citizens in line?

    Would you feel more safe if we suspended the constitution for a while and let those government agents really do their thing?

  53. @Brutusale
    We have this yenta to thank. For the past three years, she's been a huge driver for homeschooling.

    https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/11/13/randi-weingarten-homeschooling-n2389721

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    I can’t make sense of the thing you linked to, because it’s impossible to know whom the writer is referring, or he’s just talking rot.

    “There are black families who say they turned to homeschooling in order to keep their kids away from the school-to-prison pipeline, Stuber said.

    “Families of color and those with religious affiliations seeking to avoid bullying and racism.

    “There are also families who pull their trans kids out of school to avoid an unhealthy situation where they feel threatened, Stuber said.”

    I can’t make sense of the posting. “families of” what “color”? “bullying and racism” by whom?

    The “school-to-prison pipeline” is non-existent.

    “trans kids”?! That’s garbage.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Nicholas Stix

    Was a general article on the increase in homeschooling; mocking teacher's union leader Randi Weingarten for wondering why there was an increase.

    Was a bit strange the writer leans on people-of-color/trans kids quotes.

    Succinct comment:

    "via Zoom, parents got a glimpse into what was happening in the classroom, they didn't like it."

    , @Brutusale
    @Nicholas Stix

    C'mon, man, I have to explain quick-cut journalism like the shitheads at Axios produce?

    Meanwhile, people like this cannot be borne by our government. Too numerous and white...

    https://nypost.com/2023/09/30/german-family-who-sought-asylum-in-us-for-homeschooling-faces-deportation/

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  54. @SFG
    It all makes sense to me, but is there any number we can point to that can give us a quantitative sense of how fast the competency crisis is actually proceeding? Subjectively it certainly does seem clear the government is less effective than it used to be and stuff doesn't get fixed as quickly. Can we turn that into a number somehow?

    Replies: @theMann, @Achmed E. Newman, @Mark G.

    A basic formula:

    # of people x Type of Exam = Average score over time.

    This would give a rough estimate of where competency is going; except, that almost no releases the raw data on exam results, and many organizations, not just colleges, are dropping competency tests. For instance, Comptia doesn’t seem to tell how many people have taken the A+ Cert exams, how many passed, and what the average score was, much less break them down by year. (Not that I can find, anyway. ) OTOH, the Texas Bar meticulously breaks down bar exam results, and they seem very consistent over the last 20 years. Of course, the exam might be easier too.

    My best guess is that Academic Standards in schools have declined far more than Certification Standards in the working world, but that may just be a matter of time.

  55. They’re getting close to my recommendation: once a kid can correctly fill out a tax return, school is optional with parental permission. It would save billions and put at least some of those kids to productive work. I’d even be willing to pay teachers the same regardless of how class sizes shrank.

  56. Am I the only one who remembers back to the seventies when blacks who applied themselves and worked hard to get good grades were shunned, abused and ridiculed for “acting white”?

    As doctor Phil might ask, “how’s that workin’ out fer ya’?

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Mark in BC

    I've come to realize they WERE acting white.

  57. https://srlevine.people.stanford.edu/sites/g/files/sbiybj25166/files/media/file/research_in_the_teaching_of_english_2019_levine.pdf

    Those interested in English education have long debated the role and value of literature in high school students’ education and lives, developing a range of visions about what and how students should read. This study provides a historical perspective on the visions and values of educators and test-makers by analyzing a century’s worth of standardized New York State English Language Arts exams (now known as Regents Exams), with a focus on questions about literature. The study introduces a data set of 110 Regents English exams and explores the results of a content analysis of the exams’ literature questions. The study’s analysis finds significant changes over time in some of the most controversial aspects of English language arts. Specifically, the analysis shows an increase in racial and gender diversity of the authors of exam passages; a decrease in literal comprehension questions and a corresponding increase in interpretive questions; and a diminishing number of questions that ask for students’ individual responses to literary texts. These findings act as a valuable lens through which to track the history of changing visions of literary education in US high schools.

  58. @Art Deco
    We're not running out of whites. What we're running out of is sense. The purpose of 'educational reform' should not be 'racial equality', but to improve the acquisition of knowledge and skills given the chronological time available and given the time allocation to school attendance. If blacks improve proportionately more than others, that's gravy given their baseline skills vis a vis others. A secondary purpose should be to provide parents with a greater menu of options at the primary, secondary, and tertiary level (recognize that schools themselves are meant to help parents, not supplant them). Both of these are anathema to those who see the schools as a source of a salary and to those who see schools as a conduit to social engineering projects. The ideal number of such people employed in schools is 0.
    ==
    Note also the folie a deux between black chauvinists and white progtrash. The former fancy it's 'disrespectful' to tell poorly performing black youth that their performance is poor. The latter have a complex of emotions which balk at fixed standards for those they fancy are their clientele.

    Replies: @Robertson, @Travis, @The Anti-Gnostic

    You’re sounding like Charles Murray. “Can’t they just see this?!” No, they can’t. Blacks are not just going to agree that their baseline skills are organically lower than whites. They will insist that the criteria are wrong and in any event it’s all due to systemic racism. It’s like asking a fat, purple-haired, 40-year old woman to admit that her lack of prospects are due to the pool getting smaller and that she’s no longer a prize. Why admit that at the price of ego instead of conveniently blaming racism/sexism/lookism?

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Thanks: Robertson
    • Replies: @Gforce
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Dunning Kruger

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    Blacks are not just going to agree that their baseline skills are organically lower than whites.
     
    Jared Taylor has said for years that average rank-and-file blacks have no problem accepting what he tells them about differences in capabilities. In many cases, they probably already knew.

    It's the black leadership that vocally resists. And they likely already know as well. They just lie about it.
    , @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Blacks are not just going to agree that their baseline skills are organically lower than whites.
    ==
    That's not the question you're asking when you administer as standardized regents examination. This isn't that difficult.

  59. This is why people like Biden have handlers.

  60. • Thanks: Redneck Farmer
  61. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk


    ...my friend decided he was smart enough to get into Cornell, and somehow he did. He got his degree there, but it wasn’t free.
     
    Regular Cornell, not the state ag school there? My step-uncle went to the latter, and ended up VP at a major condiment maker. He was pulling down a half-million when he retired, back in the 20th century. Still enjoying it at 90 or so.

    Lore is that (regular) Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get into, but the hardest to get out of-- with a degree, that is. They make you work for it.

    Scott Adams turned down Cornell to attend nearby, much humbler Hartwick. Why, you ask? He didn't want to leave school a virgin four years later! Hartwick had a nursing program. Cornell, while co-ed almost since its inception, was still 3-1 male in the mid-'70s:

    https://brancra.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/cornell_enrollment_1.png

    Next-door Ithaca College, with a major music program, may have helped a little. But nothing like Russell Sage and SUNY Potsdam's balancing of very male RPI and Clarkson, respectively.

    Replies: @Gforce, @Reg Cæsar, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous

    My veterinarian went to Cornell.

    He told me that the grading was much harder there than at other Ivy Schools. There was no “Gentleman’s B” nor relying on the curve.

  62. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    You're sounding like Charles Murray. "Can't they just see this?!" No, they can't. Blacks are not just going to agree that their baseline skills are organically lower than whites. They will insist that the criteria are wrong and in any event it's all due to systemic racism. It's like asking a fat, purple-haired, 40-year old woman to admit that her lack of prospects are due to the pool getting smaller and that she's no longer a prize. Why admit that at the price of ego instead of conveniently blaming racism/sexism/lookism?

    Replies: @Gforce, @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

    Dunning Kruger

  63. @prosa123
    Having the Regents Exam hasn't done much for New York, the Bart Simpson underachiever of states (How's that Second Avenue Subway going? Maybe another 100 years will do the trick.). Eliminating it isn't going to have much effect either way.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    How’s that Second Avenue Subway going? Maybe another 100 years will do the trick.

    I-69 is going on 75. Amtrak’s only profitable route leaves from NY; its worst, from New Orleans– next to the states holding up 69.

    Mississippians got a casino to spring for their segment of the Interstate– maybe that’s the answer to Second Avenue?

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    Back in the 1970’s the federal government made money available that would have funded most of the cost of the Second Avenue Subway. All that the city had to do in order to get the federal funds was throw in a much smaller amount of its own money, and it had already earmarked the necessary funds.

    Unfortunately, subway fare revenues were falling short and a 5-cent fare increase looked inevitable. Fearful of the political fallout that raising the fare would produce, in a morally dubious but technically legal maneuver Mayor Abraham Beame skimmed off the earmarked Second Avenue funds to stave off the fare increase. As a result of the so-called Beame Shuffle the federal government withdrew its funds and Second Avenue never got built. And soon enough the subway fare ended up increasing.

    Another example of Typical New York Incompetence, though not a government project, is the enormous Episcopal Cathedral of St. John the Divine, still far from completion even though construction started way back in 1892. Given the ongoing implosion of the Episcopal Church it's a safe bet that the Cathedral will never be finished. Fun fact: the congregation that actually worships at the Cathedral, which has a seating capacity far into the thousands, has fewer than 200 members

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @G. Poulin, @AnotherDad

  64. @Jim Don Bob
    @Muggles


    Taxation is parasitical to productive endeavors ...
     
    Speaking of parasitical taxation, the IRS just announced the new 2023 tax rates which have been indexed for inflation. The PIOMA rate they used was 5.7%, which means taxes are being raised by the IRS.

    The spate of closures by leftist ideological propaganda organs and outlets is a good sign.
     
    Jezebel delenda est.

    Replies: @Gforce

    The rate hasn’t been raised.

    They shifted the brackets up 5.7%, which may HELP lower what you pay overall if you didn’t get a 5.7% raise. You won’t pay at the next marginal higher rate for another 5.7% in income.

    The IRS has the purview to do this per the Tax Code.

  65. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    You're sounding like Charles Murray. "Can't they just see this?!" No, they can't. Blacks are not just going to agree that their baseline skills are organically lower than whites. They will insist that the criteria are wrong and in any event it's all due to systemic racism. It's like asking a fat, purple-haired, 40-year old woman to admit that her lack of prospects are due to the pool getting smaller and that she's no longer a prize. Why admit that at the price of ego instead of conveniently blaming racism/sexism/lookism?

    Replies: @Gforce, @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

    Blacks are not just going to agree that their baseline skills are organically lower than whites.

    Jared Taylor has said for years that average rank-and-file blacks have no problem accepting what he tells them about differences in capabilities. In many cases, they probably already knew.

    It’s the black leadership that vocally resists. And they likely already know as well. They just lie about it.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  66. Not entirely OT:

    With surge from India, international students flock to United States

    “A report released Monday found 1,057,188 international students in the U.S. higher education system during the 2022-23 school year, up nearly 12 percent from the previous year. Not since the late 1970s has the total grown that much in one year. These students bring global perspectives to campuses and account for more than 5 percent of postsecondary enrollment in the United States.

    The total from India reached 268,923, up 35 percent, according to the Open Doors report from the State Department and the Institute of International Education. That set a record for what is now the world’s most populous nation.

    “The U.S. maintains a strong relationship with India on education, which I think is getting even stronger and even more connected between our governments and between the university sector and other stakeholders,” Marianne Craven, acting deputy assistant secretary of state for academic exchanges, told reporters recently. She said Indian students are drawn for many reasons, including “top-flight faculty in our colleges and universities.”

    The report shows that most of these Indian students — nearly 166,000 — are seeking master’s degrees or other advanced credentials. They are gravitating in large numbers to Texas, New York, California, Massachusetts and Illinois.”

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @PiltdownMan

    That might just reflect a post-covid rebound.

    , @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    Hat Tip:

    Indian 'students' are really settlers.

  67. Part of the reason competency is not appreciated is that many competent men are not sexy, nor are they thugs. Now that women and their simp enablers have so much power, competent but nondescript men are marginalized.

  68. What the hell, if a college degree in many subjects is next to worthless,
    what’s a high school diploma worth? Employers will know.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @edwhy

    I wonder if the G.E.D. carries more weight than a H.S. diploma now.

    Replies: @res, @JimDandy, @cityview

  69. @TWS
    @Santoculto

    Ducky?

    Replies: @res

    Probably not. SantoCulto is a long time commenter who took a break from 2019 to mid-2023. See his comment history.

  70. @Reg Cæsar

    Back in the 1970’s the federal government made money available that would have funded most of the cost of the Second Avenue Subway. All that the city had to do in order to get the federal funds was throw in a much smaller amount of its own money, and it had already earmarked the necessary funds.

    Unfortunately, subway fare revenues were falling short and a 5-cent fare increase looked inevitable. Fearful of the political fallout that raising the fare would produce, in a morally dubious but technically legal maneuver Mayor Abraham Beame skimmed off the earmarked Second Avenue funds to stave off the fare increase. As a result of the so-called Beame Shuffle the federal government withdrew its funds and Second Avenue never got built. And soon enough the subway fare ended up increasing.

    Another example of Typical New York Incompetence, though not a government project, is the enormous Episcopal Cathedral of St. John the Divine, still far from completion even though construction started way back in 1892. Given the ongoing implosion of the Episcopal Church it’s a safe bet that the Cathedral will never be finished. Fun fact: the congregation that actually worships at the Cathedral, which has a seating capacity far into the thousands, has fewer than 200 members

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @prosa123

    2nd Ave subway is deliberately held back by the Upper East Side mega-wealthy. They like the fact that its difficult to get to their neck of the woods -- keeps the riff raff (i.e. blacks and Puerto Ricans) out. Incidentally, the UES is where the majority of big-name NYC museums are -- hence the nickname "Museum Mile."

    The only subway that serves the UES is the 4-5-6 line, which is notoriously small and slow and blocks away from any of the wealthy/popular places. Again, deliberately done to keep the riff raff out.

    Replies: @clifford brown

    , @G. Poulin
    @prosa123

    Maybe when those two hundred aging liberals finally kick the bucket, the Cathedral can be turned into a fancy restaurant or something else that's useful.

    , @AnotherDad
    @prosa123


    Given the ongoing implosion of the Episcopal Church it’s a safe bet that the Cathedral will never be finished. Fun fact: the congregation that actually worships at the Cathedral, which has a seating capacity far into the thousands, has fewer than 200 members
     
    These 200 are too conservative. Since they already fly the fag flag out front, they should just go ahead and turn it into a homo bathhouse right now. "Embrace the future."

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  71. @puttheforkdown
    @rebel yell


    You learn to problem solve and ask questions by first immersing yourself in facts, such as memorizing historical dates, working many algebra problems, memorizing spelling lists, memorizing poems or the preamble to the Constitution
     
    Uh...nah. If you're smart, you're just smart. Technical ability is what you're describing; problem solving is innate and comes from high g, a biological fitness factor you can't inculcate with rote learning. In other words, well made people don't need school.

    Replies: @res, @Wilkey, @Shale boi

    To reason well about the world it helps to have a certain body of knowledge. For example, knowing something about history (and in particular the chronology) helps both making connections with today and exposing bogus “historical narratives.”

    One benefit of being smart is it tends to be easier to learn things in a more holistic fashion rather than just endlessly rote learning things like historical dates. Making connections (e.g. a sequence of events) helps memory.

    In other words, well made people don’t need school.

    Perhaps, but they do need education. For many reading might suffice. Though it helps to have knowledgeable people making suggestions. And exposure to the world to both put things in perspective and allow making use of that knowledge and smarts.

    • Agree: bomag
  72. Picasso famously said that he had to learn to paint people with two eyes and one nose before he could paint people with one eye and two noses. Back in my day (= way back), my high-school teachers were superb at teaching the two-eyes—one-nose things. They were not rocket scientists, but they did not need to be, to teach in this fashion. The problem we face today is that teachers would not be willing to do this, and certainly, students would never accept it. Smartphones and texting, of course.

    One more thing, as Colombo would say. The result of not learning to think goes far beyond test scores on standardized tests. Rather, the result is spending your existence oblivious to the little ironies and metaphors; the nuances and richness, the factual background, of everyday life. There was a Gene Hackman movie in which someone asks Hackman how he resists a gorgeous, floozy-ish younger woman who could be his if he wanted. Hackman replies, Before we could have a conversation, I would always have to fill her in on everything first.

    • Thanks: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @SafeNow

    Picasso famously said that he had to learn to paint people with two eyes and one nose before he could paint people with one eye and two noses.

    In other words, come up with a gimmick that would awe the critics. Good for him, I guess.

    Great movie quote from Hackman, thanks.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @SafeNow


    Picasso famously said that he had to learn to paint people with two eyes and one nose before he could paint people with one eye and two noses.
     
    Arnold Schoenberg's composition texts are surprisingly conservative, like the man himself. (Though the monarchist in him greatly enjoyed living in the California Republic.)

    He didn't want anyone to mess with the new stuff until he had the old stuff down pat. Good advice. Better advice would have been to abandon the new stuff when it proved unproductive.


    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-music-is-only-understood-when-one-goes-away-singing-it-and-only-loved-when-one-falls-arnold-schoenberg-60-21-51.jpg


    Then again...


    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-if-it-is-art-it-is-not-for-all-and-if-it-is-for-all-it-is-not-art-arnold-schoenberg-52-76-13.jpg


    Then again again...

    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-there-is-still-plenty-of-good-music-to-be-written-in-c-major-arnold-schoenberg-69-22-54.jpg

  73. @Bill Jones
    And in St Paul, it's just getting started.

    St. Paul, Minnesota elects first all-female council in city's history

    First Order of Business : St Paula.
    Take a look at this and tell me it's going to go well.

    https://images.axios.com/7CpFMp2moGAPdFd-sKWgmYXrPUs=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2023/11/10/1699629534326.png?w=1920




    https://www.axios.com/2023/11/11/st-paul-all-female-council-minnesota-election-results

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Patrick in SC, @ThreeCranes, @Ganderson, @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Meretricious

    Hey, Bill, I know that one on the right. Isn’t she the City Council Member at LARGE?

    • LOL: SafeNow, Bill Jones
  74. @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    Back in the 1970’s the federal government made money available that would have funded most of the cost of the Second Avenue Subway. All that the city had to do in order to get the federal funds was throw in a much smaller amount of its own money, and it had already earmarked the necessary funds.

    Unfortunately, subway fare revenues were falling short and a 5-cent fare increase looked inevitable. Fearful of the political fallout that raising the fare would produce, in a morally dubious but technically legal maneuver Mayor Abraham Beame skimmed off the earmarked Second Avenue funds to stave off the fare increase. As a result of the so-called Beame Shuffle the federal government withdrew its funds and Second Avenue never got built. And soon enough the subway fare ended up increasing.

    Another example of Typical New York Incompetence, though not a government project, is the enormous Episcopal Cathedral of St. John the Divine, still far from completion even though construction started way back in 1892. Given the ongoing implosion of the Episcopal Church it's a safe bet that the Cathedral will never be finished. Fun fact: the congregation that actually worships at the Cathedral, which has a seating capacity far into the thousands, has fewer than 200 members

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @G. Poulin, @AnotherDad

    2nd Ave subway is deliberately held back by the Upper East Side mega-wealthy. They like the fact that its difficult to get to their neck of the woods — keeps the riff raff (i.e. blacks and Puerto Ricans) out. Incidentally, the UES is where the majority of big-name NYC museums are — hence the nickname “Museum Mile.”

    The only subway that serves the UES is the 4-5-6 line, which is notoriously small and slow and blocks away from any of the wealthy/popular places. Again, deliberately done to keep the riff raff out.

    • Replies: @clifford brown
    @R.G. Camara

    This is not true. The Second Avenue Subway is for the more eastern part of The Upper East Side which is less affluent than Park Avenue/ Fifth Avenue. The pre-existing 4/5/6 lines are closer to the Museum Mile and wealthier areas, the Second Avenue Subway is blocks east.

    In Manhattan, subway service increases property values, but it can cause headaches during the construction period.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  75. @SFG
    It all makes sense to me, but is there any number we can point to that can give us a quantitative sense of how fast the competency crisis is actually proceeding? Subjectively it certainly does seem clear the government is less effective than it used to be and stuff doesn't get fixed as quickly. Can we turn that into a number somehow?

    Replies: @theMann, @Achmed E. Newman, @Mark G.

    The government? Incompetency in government is not at all what I’m worried about – it can be a good thing much of the time.

    How do we quantify the slide into 3rd-Worldliness? I can qualify it a least, but that’s because I have a good memory for the way things used to work.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Good point, I was thinking more of how growing up in the big city private was always better than public, from schools to transportation.

    I believe you...what do you mean?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  76. And in related news from the High Frontier, we have yet another example of why women are unsuitable for aerospace/military missions.

    Women have “screwed the pooch”* repeatedly during NASA missions and training, this is the second “oopsy” with the tools in orbit. The day approaches when a female AAA hire (Affirmative Action Astronaut) will “auger in”* and kill a whole bunch of people with the attendant loss of billions of dollars of equipment. Artemis, I’m looking at you.

    *”Right Stuff” lingo, where there was none

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HunInTheSun

    There is footage from the cockpit of Columbia of one of the pilots telling a female crew person to knock off the chitchat as he attempts to pilot the doomed bird down as system failures were already registering. Admittedly this happened because a white meritocracy became a white bureaucracy. DIE will accelerate what is already failing.

    Replies: @CCG, @Corvinus, @Art Deco

  77. @Pixo
    Some self-congratulations are in order for all of us alt-light Thought Leaders and Content Creators. We’ve now radicalized the world’s richest man! Took a few years, one of his kids being brainwashed by trannies, etc.

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724044664250998871

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1724050863457517687

    His personal spat with Trump will probably keep him on the sidelines in 2024, but I see him as a DeSantis mega donor in 2028.

    Replies: @clifford brown

    What makes these men patriots? Because they are fighting for Zionism? An ideology of a foreign people that imported the foreigners that they are now fighting?

  78. @rebel yell

    “Everybody’s not going to need algebra. Everybody’s not going to need historical dates,” Mr. McCutchen said. “But they will need to know how to problem solve and ask questions.”
     
    You learn to problem solve and ask questions by first immersing yourself in facts, such as memorizing historical dates, working many algebra problems, memorizing spelling lists, memorizing poems or the preamble to the Constitution.
    You want to be spontaneous and creative on game day? Practice your drills during the week.
    You want to problem solve and have an original insight? Do a lot of rote homework.
    People who have mastered an art or science, or at least studied one enough to appreciate the craft, know that practice, drills, and rote work are essential.
    Modern educators are idiots.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Twinkie, @Hibernian, @Emil Nikola Richard

    You want to problem solve and have an original insight? Do a lot of rote homework.
    People who have mastered an art or science, or at least studied one enough to appreciate the craft, know that practice, drills, and rote work are essential.
    Modern educators are idiots.

    100%.

    Likewise, a lot of “modern educators” are opposed to “teaching to tests,” but this is contrary to actual, you know, scientific evidence on that issue, which has shown that tests (and studying for them) improve knowledge retention, i.e. when pupils know they will be tested on a subject, they tend to pay more attention to memorizing and retaining the knowledge that is required for the particular tests.

    • Replies: @res
    @Twinkie

    I think the problem with "teaching to tests" is when it turns towards the extreme of "here are the ten questions you are going to be asked, no need to learn anything else."

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie

  79. @edwhy
    What the hell, if a college degree in many subjects is next to worthless,
    what’s a high school diploma worth? Employers will know.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    I wonder if the G.E.D. carries more weight than a H.S. diploma now.

    • Replies: @res
    @JimDandy


    I wonder if the G.E.D. carries more weight than a H.S. diploma now.
     
    I don't think so, but the potential is there given score granularity. The current SAT 99th percentile is 1550-1600 so only 6 distinct scores in that range. The GED 99th percentile is 187-200 so 14 distinct scores. Different norming may reduce that difference (SAT percentiles more against college bound).
    https://www.test-guide.com/ged-scores.html
    https://blog.prepscholar.com/sat-percentiles-and-score-rankings

    Just having a consistent test to allow between school comparisons is probably even more valuable.

    P.S. It appears the military treats the GED as less than a HS diploma.
    https://blog.essentialed.com/students/army-ged
    This kind of makes sense as a proxy for willing (or not) to put up with school.
    , @JimDandy
    @JimDandy

    The military used to accept a GED as equal to an HS diploma. I always thought the tier thing was a response to complaints from Teachers Unions that kids were dropping out of HS because they knew they didn't need it to get into the military.

    , @cityview
    @JimDandy

    I've wondered that myself in recent years. Whether it's true or not, I commend the initiative and persistence of those who earn a GED.

  80. @Bill Jones
    And in St Paul, it's just getting started.

    St. Paul, Minnesota elects first all-female council in city's history

    First Order of Business : St Paula.
    Take a look at this and tell me it's going to go well.

    https://images.axios.com/7CpFMp2moGAPdFd-sKWgmYXrPUs=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2023/11/10/1699629534326.png?w=1920




    https://www.axios.com/2023/11/11/st-paul-all-female-council-minnesota-election-results

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Patrick in SC, @ThreeCranes, @Ganderson, @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Meretricious

    Shudders.

  81. The Competency Crisis Is Growing

    https://laist.com/news/transportation/the-10-is-closed-downtown-due-to-huge-pallet-yard-fi

    No standards, no rules. No zoning because it is racist. Allowing people to live illegally in ramshackle flammable shantytowns under critical infrastructure because civilization is oppression. This is not going to work out well. Despite this catastrophe, do not expect the Mayor of Los Angeles or the Governor of California will not change their policies one iota.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @clifford brown

    This is what happened when a crackhead had a "hold my beer" moment in Atlanta a few years ago.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_85_bridge_collapse

    Industrial society meets r-selection.

  82. I don’t recall if this article on the Competence Crisis has been linked here previously:

    https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/06/01/complex-systems-wont-survive-the-competence-crisis/

    • Thanks: Travis
    • Replies: @res
    @Harry Baldwin

    A search shows it appearing in iSteve (comments or post text) since it was published. Here is a mention from June 20th.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/blacks-vs-hispanics-part-298/#comment-6019674

    In any case, well worth another mention. Especially in this thread. Thanks.

  83. @R.G. Camara
    @prosa123

    2nd Ave subway is deliberately held back by the Upper East Side mega-wealthy. They like the fact that its difficult to get to their neck of the woods -- keeps the riff raff (i.e. blacks and Puerto Ricans) out. Incidentally, the UES is where the majority of big-name NYC museums are -- hence the nickname "Museum Mile."

    The only subway that serves the UES is the 4-5-6 line, which is notoriously small and slow and blocks away from any of the wealthy/popular places. Again, deliberately done to keep the riff raff out.

    Replies: @clifford brown

    This is not true. The Second Avenue Subway is for the more eastern part of The Upper East Side which is less affluent than Park Avenue/ Fifth Avenue. The pre-existing 4/5/6 lines are closer to the Museum Mile and wealthier areas, the Second Avenue Subway is blocks east.

    In Manhattan, subway service increases property values, but it can cause headaches during the construction period.

    • Agree: Renard
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @clifford brown

    The UES mega-wealthy don't want visitors unless they spring for cabs. Well-functioning subways bring Harlem blacks and outer borough folks in. The 4-5-6 is dilapidated because of this desire to keep them out, and the constant delays in the 2nd Avenue Subway are part of this.

    Merely because neither are on 5th/Park does not mean anything -- the point is to keep the UES as inaccessible as possible via subway. This isn't hard.

  84. @Rooster17
    @Arclight

    This is anecdotal but I notice a difference between the McDonald’s in a mostly White area in my town versus the higher minority area of town. The White kids are more likely to be personable and say have a nice day, where the black servers tend to not talk and just hand you the food, the overall quality is suspect too. I’m guessing this is happening all over the country in varying degrees, in all different industries. Like you said, the younger generation doesn’t even understand how bad it is, probably like my generation doesn’t understand either. I wonder, how much further down to we have to go?

    Replies: @mmack, @Stan Adams

    About two weeks ago Z at his Z Man blog had a post about trying to get fast food near Bodymore, Murderland where he lives.

    https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=31060

    My reply to him was:

    “My own experience of Fast Food is I avoid it when I can but out in Suburbia in damned near literal farmland the staff at our local McD’s is teenagers who share my skin palor, smile, are pleasant, and can fill orders.

    Closer in to the edges of Our Big City (Democratic run of course) if you stop in a McD’s expect to see confused expressions and hear “¿Que?” a lot when ordering.

    Within Our Big City? Oh Hell Naw!”

    But Diversity Is Our Strength you know.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @mmack

    I hadn't read your post when I posted below. You're right on about the good stuff being located "out in Suburbia in damned near literal farmland".

    As for the fast food in minority-staffed city joints, Jesse Jackson taught them it's okay to spit in White people's food.

  85. @clifford brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmHeuu-1lMk

    The Competency Crisis Is Growing
     
    https://laist.com/news/transportation/the-10-is-closed-downtown-due-to-huge-pallet-yard-fi

    No standards, no rules. No zoning because it is racist. Allowing people to live illegally in ramshackle flammable shantytowns under critical infrastructure because civilization is oppression. This is not going to work out well. Despite this catastrophe, do not expect the Mayor of Los Angeles or the Governor of California will not change their policies one iota.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    This is what happened when a crackhead had a “hold my beer” moment in Atlanta a few years ago.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_85_bridge_collapse

    Industrial society meets r-selection.

  86. @zoos
    The the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tounged wizards withdrew,
    And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to belive it was true
    That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four---
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more…

    https://youtu.be/h02w5E7FGlY

    Replies: @SFG, @RadicalCenter

    You cut it off before the best part:

    “As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
    There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
    That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
    And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
    As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
    The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!”

  87. @clifford brown
    @R.G. Camara

    This is not true. The Second Avenue Subway is for the more eastern part of The Upper East Side which is less affluent than Park Avenue/ Fifth Avenue. The pre-existing 4/5/6 lines are closer to the Museum Mile and wealthier areas, the Second Avenue Subway is blocks east.

    In Manhattan, subway service increases property values, but it can cause headaches during the construction period.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    The UES mega-wealthy don’t want visitors unless they spring for cabs. Well-functioning subways bring Harlem blacks and outer borough folks in. The 4-5-6 is dilapidated because of this desire to keep them out, and the constant delays in the 2nd Avenue Subway are part of this.

    Merely because neither are on 5th/Park does not mean anything — the point is to keep the UES as inaccessible as possible via subway. This isn’t hard.

  88. @puttheforkdown
    @rebel yell


    You learn to problem solve and ask questions by first immersing yourself in facts, such as memorizing historical dates, working many algebra problems, memorizing spelling lists, memorizing poems or the preamble to the Constitution
     
    Uh...nah. If you're smart, you're just smart. Technical ability is what you're describing; problem solving is innate and comes from high g, a biological fitness factor you can't inculcate with rote learning. In other words, well made people don't need school.

    Replies: @res, @Wilkey, @Shale boi

    In other words, well made people don’t need school.

    Ok. This goes down as the absolute dumbest comment on this and many other threads.

    So, give us an example of a “well made” person who had in education whatsoever?

    Of course intelligent people need education. Pretty much everyone who has ever made any significant contribution to any field of human endeavor has had a plenty of formal education or training. An intelligent mind needs knowledge on which to act, otherwise it’s like an engine without fuel.

    • Agree: Rich
    • Replies: @anon
    @Wilkey

    Abraham Lincoln had very little formal education.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    , @Unintended Consequence
    @Wilkey

    "An intelligent mind needs knowledge on which to act, otherwise it’s like an engine without fuel."

    Research indicates that a high IQ person without a sufficiently rigorous education becomes either a criminal or a schizophrenic.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Wilkey


    Ok. This goes down as the absolute dumbest comment on this and many other threads.
     
    Well, there was Mr Mason's recent assumption that Toys for Tots was meant to supply gifts for our underpaid military families. How long did he live in Florida?
  89. @HunInTheSun
    And in related news from the High Frontier, we have yet another example of why women are unsuitable for aerospace/military missions.

    Women have "screwed the pooch"* repeatedly during NASA missions and training, this is the second "oopsy" with the tools in orbit. The day approaches when a female AAA hire (Affirmative Action Astronaut) will "auger in"* and kill a whole bunch of people with the attendant loss of billions of dollars of equipment. Artemis, I’m looking at you.

    *"Right Stuff" lingo, where there was none

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    There is footage from the cockpit of Columbia of one of the pilots telling a female crew person to knock off the chitchat as he attempts to pilot the doomed bird down as system failures were already registering. Admittedly this happened because a white meritocracy became a white bureaucracy. DIE will accelerate what is already failing.

    • Replies: @CCG
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Here's the footage, and the female was Kalpana Chawla:
    https://youtu.be/aIJiW8d_c68?feature=shared

    , @Corvinus
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    "There is footage from the cockpit of Columbia of one of the pilots telling a female crew person to knock off the chitchat as he attempts to pilot the doomed bird down as system failures were already registering."

    Red herring. This has nothing to do with women botching the doomed mission as you are inferring.

    I take it that you and the mrs, the schoolteacher had an argument, in which you lost, and as a result are taking cheap shots at women in the professional classes.

    It's really spectacular to see your own free fall in real time. Your commentary is getting more and more desperate. But I suppose the stress of having a daughter who has a mixed child puts you on edge.

    , @Art Deco
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Admittedly this happened because a white meritocracy became a white bureaucracy. DIE will accelerate what is already failing.
    ==
    Complicated technology fails now and again, as it did in 1967 and 1986.

  90. Great news.

    We pray blue cities will be overrun with idiocracy.

  91. @Farenheit
    @Arclight


    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn’t match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it’s depressing to see
     
    As a late 50s dude, I sometimes explain to the youngsters about a mythical time when you went out in public and everyone was thin, there were no tattoos, people were dressed appropriately, and there was a commonly accepted set of manners.

    It's not just academics and professional competence that's taken a nose dive, it's pretty full spectrum now.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Shale boi, @Beavertales, @22pp22, @Erik L

    As a late 50s dude, I sometimes explain to the youngsters about a mythical time when you went out in public and everyone was thin, there were no tattoos, people were dressed appropriately, and there was a commonly accepted set of manners.
    ==
    Tattoos were rare in 1970. Rude people, fat people, and badly groomed people were not.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Art Deco

    “Rude people, fat people, and badly groomed people were not.”

    I don’t know when I first started noticing all the fat people but it was well past 1970. I do recall feeling slightly judgmental standing in a cafeteria line and an obese girl purchased an ice cream cone. This was approx 1984. Rude I don’t recall until visiting NYC in the 1980s.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

  92. @anyone with a brain
    Americans never were an intellectual rigorous people. American cars have always been junk.

    America is a ponzi scheme, it is just that now is the time it is collapsing.

    White males have created amd funded all these zombie corporations that employ lying hacks for six figure salaries. Jack Welch at GE is an illustrative case.

    The White male leadership at Boeing that decided to screw over themselves and switch production to South Carolina. Why didn't the older generations pass on knowledge about plane making to new generations? Because they are selfish short sighted boomers.

    The fruits of boomerocracy are in full view of everyone.

    Apple makes overpriced crap for tech illiterate.
    Google search is crap.
    Microsoft sucks even more now.
    Boeing planes crash.
    US Naval ships collide and catch fire.
    Politics is a gerontocracy sideshow.

    This is the fault of White males seeking profits.

    The Steve Wozniak to Steve Jobs ratio has shifted heavily in favor of Steve Jobs.

    White men want to be like Steve Jobs. This is the for it the problem with America. Everyone of all races want to be Steve Jobs, because nowadays Steve Wozniak would be a social and financial loser.


    Yes, yes, I know Steve Jobs biological father is a Syrian.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @International Jew, @Renard, @Curle, @bomag

    White men want to be like Steve Jobs. This is the for it the problem with America. Everyone of all races want to be Steve Jobs, because nowadays Steve Wozniak would be a social and financial loser.
    ==
    Mr. Wozniak has been through three sets of divorce proceedings and is, by the looks of him, morbidly obese.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    Mr. Wozniak has been through three sets of divorce proceedings and is, by the looks of him, morbidly obese.
     
    But he can dance.



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=odBsLRNA764




    It may be in the genes.


    Polish family turns Master Ballet Academy into international success

    Then again, Woźniak is tenth most-common surname in Poland. It's their version of our Carter or Porter. (Porter Wagoner must have been strong, porting and pulling simultaneously.)
  93. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Art Deco

    You're sounding like Charles Murray. "Can't they just see this?!" No, they can't. Blacks are not just going to agree that their baseline skills are organically lower than whites. They will insist that the criteria are wrong and in any event it's all due to systemic racism. It's like asking a fat, purple-haired, 40-year old woman to admit that her lack of prospects are due to the pool getting smaller and that she's no longer a prize. Why admit that at the price of ego instead of conveniently blaming racism/sexism/lookism?

    Replies: @Gforce, @Reg Cæsar, @Art Deco

    Blacks are not just going to agree that their baseline skills are organically lower than whites.
    ==
    That’s not the question you’re asking when you administer as standardized regents examination. This isn’t that difficult.

  94. @SFG
    It all makes sense to me, but is there any number we can point to that can give us a quantitative sense of how fast the competency crisis is actually proceeding? Subjectively it certainly does seem clear the government is less effective than it used to be and stuff doesn't get fixed as quickly. Can we turn that into a number somehow?

    Replies: @theMann, @Achmed E. Newman, @Mark G.

    You might be able to get a rough estimate of how competency levels are decreasing in the future by federal tax receipts. They dropped by almost half a trillion dollars from fy 2022 to 2023. The younger mostly nonwhite workers replacing old mostly white retiring Boomers will be less productive and will generate less tax revenue in future years.

    This makes our current welfare-warfare state unsustainable for much longer. We are approaching a cliff but instead of putting on the brakes we are pressing our foot down on the accelerator pedal. The government is trying to pay its bills with money printing but the resulting inflation is leading to a drop in living standards as wage increases do not keep up with inflation increases.

    • Agree: Renard
    • Thanks: res
  95. @puttheforkdown
    @rebel yell


    You learn to problem solve and ask questions by first immersing yourself in facts, such as memorizing historical dates, working many algebra problems, memorizing spelling lists, memorizing poems or the preamble to the Constitution
     
    Uh...nah. If you're smart, you're just smart. Technical ability is what you're describing; problem solving is innate and comes from high g, a biological fitness factor you can't inculcate with rote learning. In other words, well made people don't need school.

    Replies: @res, @Wilkey, @Shale boi

    With the previous others, I disagree. Even for high IQ people, you need schema to problem solve. Essentially a lot of creativity and problem solving is actually combination and recognition. A high IQ may help in the occasional “cavalry charges”. And it may help in terms of memory and of assimilation of data. But it’s still very much something where you need to train and to train by learning things. Yes, whether you are Lisa Randall or just a 145 IQ Steveosphere commentor…or even a 100 IQ mechanic. Yes, there are differences amongst us, but there are very many commonalities of pedagogy (limits of the meat brain) also.

    https://gregashman.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/teaching-for-understanding/

    “It is a profoundly erroneous truism, repeated by all copy-books and by eminent people when they are making speeches, that we should cultivate the habit of thinking of what we are doing. The precise opposite is the case. Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking about them. Operations of thought are like cavalry charges in a battle — they are strictly limited in number, they require fresh horses, and must only be made at decisive moments.”

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Thanks: AnotherDad
  96. @Farenheit
    @Arclight


    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn’t match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it’s depressing to see
     
    As a late 50s dude, I sometimes explain to the youngsters about a mythical time when you went out in public and everyone was thin, there were no tattoos, people were dressed appropriately, and there was a commonly accepted set of manners.

    It's not just academics and professional competence that's taken a nose dive, it's pretty full spectrum now.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Shale boi, @Beavertales, @22pp22, @Erik L

    It’s the Vietnam War. Got the kids all weirded out.

    • Replies: @Blodgie
    @Shale boi

    It got them “Weirded out” for good reason.

    Anyone who joined the military after 1973 is an utter moron.

    All the lessons on the reality of the situation were available to learn at that point.

  97. @Wilkey
    @puttheforkdown


    In other words, well made people don’t need school.
     
    Ok. This goes down as the absolute dumbest comment on this and many other threads.

    So, give us an example of a “well made” person who had in education whatsoever?

    Of course intelligent people need education. Pretty much everyone who has ever made any significant contribution to any field of human endeavor has had a plenty of formal education or training. An intelligent mind needs knowledge on which to act, otherwise it’s like an engine without fuel.

    Replies: @anon, @Unintended Consequence, @Reg Cæsar

    Abraham Lincoln had very little formal education.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @anon

    Yeah, but he read a ton and became a lawyer the old-fashioned way etc. Plenty of actual education there.

  98. @Houston 1992
    The competency crisis seems to have spread to the Secret Service and shooting straight . Today in DC , agents fired at perps breaking into Bidens granddaughter car — but did not hit them
    Bullets can ricochet and kill innocents … I expect SS bullets to lodge or be slowed down in the body of perps

    Replies: @HammerJack, @anonymous, @Brutusale, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    agents fired at perps breaking into Bidens granddaughter car

    We are lectured over and over that lethal force may not be used in defense of property. Her vehicle was unoccupied. What gives?

    https://apnews.com/article/naomi-biden-secret-service-shooting-washington-georgetown-997126378e864c5acd0c9a1c6618c4e2

    Violent crime in Washington has also been on the rise this year, up more than 40% compared with last year.

    Given how elevated it was last year, that’s saying something. And Washington is hardly alone. Good thing we have a Democrat administration — otherwise we’d have to do something about this.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @Houston 1992
    @HammerJack

    Yes , the story seems incomplete.

  99. @Muggles

    In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.
     
    Great summary of the problem.

    This is already happening in Europe (due to fake "refugees" and free admittance to legacy colonials) and has already ruined government schools in Comrade run US cities and school districts.

    Of course not all non Whites are useless or incapable of good work. Just the numbers aren't great.

    Lower IQ people need greater outside discipline to maintain standards and to avoid racial/ethnic tribalism in workplaces.

    Post Boomer Americans will reap the rewards of what used to be seen as "liberalism" now run amok as Woke.

    Only in areas of society and economics where objective standards are maintained can competency be maintained. Technical areas of the military (mostly) have done this and other technical areas of the economy continue to reward good work.

    "Soft areas" of society run mainly by women and barely mediocre males will get worse. Robots will put a fol of these out to pasture.

    There are some signs that the long anticipated recession is near. This may also have a cleansing effect as unproductive gabbers and lazies are pushed out. The "lifeboat" effect of discarding the useless eaters will force changes whether or not the Comrades like it.

    Over hyped and hazy concepts (hello WeWork!, etc.) will fold and the cost of investment capital, no longer being zero, will continue to eliminate the unsustainable tech and Green religion sectors.

    Taxation is parasitical to productive endeavors so Bidenomics and "soft socialism" will have to diminish. Since people and capital are mobile, you can't maintain California Dreamin' schemes indefinitely. Like in former Communist nations, people leave Comrade run cities as fast as they can.

    The spate of closures by leftist ideological propaganda organs and outlets is a good sign. Places like Arizona, Texas and Florida will continue to drain the swamp as they attract the productive.

    For many here, being in the Boomer cohort looks better than ever...

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @HammerJack, @AceDeuce, @Peterike

    Most of the people who occupy this Brave New World won’t be bothered by collapsing standards of professional or personal behavior. It’s what they’re used to, and if it bothered them they would have changed their own ways.

    What will bother them is when gibs are at stake, and even that will probably be an incremental collapse. So long as white people are seen to be suffering the most, standards collapse will be tolerable. But will the (MSM) ever portray this accurately? Not soon, I don’t think.

    • Agree: Renard
  100. @HammerJack
    @Houston 1992


    agents fired at perps breaking into Bidens granddaughter car
     
    We are lectured over and over that lethal force may not be used in defense of property. Her vehicle was unoccupied. What gives?

    https://apnews.com/article/naomi-biden-secret-service-shooting-washington-georgetown-997126378e864c5acd0c9a1c6618c4e2


    Violent crime in Washington has also been on the rise this year, up more than 40% compared with last year.
     
    Given how elevated it was last year, that's saying something. And Washington is hardly alone. Good thing we have a Democrat administration — otherwise we'd have to do something about this.

    Replies: @Houston 1992

    Yes , the story seems incomplete.

  101. @res
    There is 2015-2019 Regents Exam results data available here. Results broken down by school, year,and test.
    https://data.cityofnewyork.us/Education/2014-15-to-2017-19-NYC-Regents-Exam-Results-Public/bnea-fu3k

    But that only goes through 2019 and only includes aggregate data.

    Looking harder I found this terrific source.
    https://infohub.nyced.org/reports/academics/test-results

    It has an Excel file with 2015-2022 results. But even better it has breakdowns by sex and race. Also note the School Profile worksheet where you can enter the school DBN by hand and get a nice report.

    Any thoughts on useful analyses to do with this data?

    Replies: @dux.ie

    Elsewhere some1 asserted that in no US district where Black Schools beat White Schools. From https://infohub.nyced.org/reports/academics/test-results the data just prove that is wrong.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @dux.ie

    What are these, Yiddish-speaking ultra-Orthodox public schools?

    Replies: @dux.ie, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Rich
    @dux.ie

    If these numbers were correct, they would be front page news everywhere. Biden would be visiting, Kamala would be dancing and Nobel prizes would be awarded. Very fishy.

    Replies: @dux.ie

    , @res
    @dux.ie

    Could you please include the school DBNs in your analysis? I am seeing different results. I looked at 8th grade math 2022 results as you did. The school I see with blacks performing best relative to whites is
    11X326 BRONX GREEN MIDDLE SCHOOL
    with the following scores
    DBN | Mean.Score.Asian| Mean.Score.Black| Mean.Score.Hispanic| Mean.Score.Native American| Mean.Score.White| Mean.Score.Multi-Racial| WBDiff
    11X326 | NA| 583.8235| 585.0204| NA| 574.6667| NA| -9.1568604

    Seems rather strange that whites score 9-10 points below both blacks and Hispanics. Looking at NCES data here
    https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/school_detail.asp?Search=1&Zip=10464&Miles=5&SchoolPageNum=7&ID=360008805953
    I see B/H/W enrollment of 85/223/33 (for grades 6-8).

    In the NY test data I see number taking the test of 17/49/12 for B/H/W (grade 8 in 2022 only).
    Even more interesting, for the ELA test takers I see 26/29/11 test takers.

    I wonder how they choose who takes the tests? I thought everyone (with some ELL exceptions) was supposed to take these tests?

    Another thing I find surprising is how few schools have data for both white and black students (5 or fewer tested means the data is suppressed). In this case only 36 of 367 by my count.

    P.S. Steve, if you'd like a list of schools I see with blacks scoring better than whites (or something similar) just reply here.

    P.P.S. Now I see, you looked at districts not schools. The district numbers are in your table. Perhaps better to do that since it lessens the data suppression. More in a follow on comment.

    Replies: @dux.ie

  102. @dux.ie
    @res

    Elsewhere some1 asserted that in no US district where Black Schools beat White Schools. From https://infohub.nyced.org/reports/academics/test-results the data just prove that is wrong.
    https://twitter.com/dux_ie/status/1724291822476837097

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rich, @res

    What are these, Yiddish-speaking ultra-Orthodox public schools?

    • LOL: Renard
    • Replies: @dux.ie
    @Steve Sailer

    The NY district G8 math scores for White and Black schools.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    Queens is* that rare county where blacks outperform whites. Vancouver, BC is* a similar instance. Selection is a factor for both races, but upward for blacks-- these are largely immigrants-- and downward for whites. And that assumes these are "non-Hispanic" whites. Are they?

    Did you know a child can be born both in Brooklyn and in Queens County at the same time? Unbelievable? Well, Hank Snow was:



    https://youtu.be/qtJz_Wm-gG0?si=tm-G3KmIfZ2KIHk5



    *I use the present tense, but it may have changed. My source for both is the print version of American Renaissance, a couple of decades ago.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  103. Follow @CompCrisis on Twitter/X

  104. @Wilkey
    @puttheforkdown


    In other words, well made people don’t need school.
     
    Ok. This goes down as the absolute dumbest comment on this and many other threads.

    So, give us an example of a “well made” person who had in education whatsoever?

    Of course intelligent people need education. Pretty much everyone who has ever made any significant contribution to any field of human endeavor has had a plenty of formal education or training. An intelligent mind needs knowledge on which to act, otherwise it’s like an engine without fuel.

    Replies: @anon, @Unintended Consequence, @Reg Cæsar

    “An intelligent mind needs knowledge on which to act, otherwise it’s like an engine without fuel.”

    Research indicates that a high IQ person without a sufficiently rigorous education becomes either a criminal or a schizophrenic.

  105. CHRISTA MCAULIFFE used to be no. 1 for all NYC schools. What happen??

    Rank| M6Score|Cat|Name
    1| 506.27|Asian|NEW EXPLORATIONS INTO SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY AND MATH
    2| 505.65|Asian|THE ANDERSON SCHOOL
    3| 497.68|Asian|THE 30TH AVENUE SCHOOL (G&T CITYWIDE)
    4| 496.94|Asian|TAG YOUNG SCHOLARS
    5| 496.0|Asian|BROOKLYN SCHOOL OF INQUIRY
    6| 495.29|Asian|P.S./I.S. 119 THE GLENDALE
    7| 494.75|Asian|YORKVILLE EAST MIDDLE SCHOOL
    8| 493.88|Asian|P.S./M.S. 200 – THE MAGNET SCHOOL OF GLOBAL STUDIE
    9| 492.91|Asian|THE CHRISTA MCAULIFFE SCHOOL I.S. 187

    • Replies: @Renard
    @dux.ie


    CHRISTA MCAULIFFE
     
    In case someone never heard this one, transport yourself back to 1986. Keep in mind that Christa was one of the first civilian astronauts. It was a very big deal that a school teacher could go up in the space shuttle.

    "OMG! They found the black-box flight recorder from the Challenger, and they now know Christa McAuliffe's final words!"

    "What's this button do?"

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @dux.ie
    @dux.ie

    Hmm, this should not be a surprise. I have forgotten previously I had pointed out those harebrained scheme of NYC politicians were full of holes that you could drive a bus thru them. I had a detailed quantitative guide on how to GAME the scheme and if enough people followed them there could be THE REVERSED OF WHAT THEY EXPECTED WITH MORE WHITE AND ASIAN IN THE ELITE8 SCHOOLS. In short elite middle school like Christa Mcauliffe used to have high % entering the Elite8 but it was cut down to I think 23% in the new scheme. What those parents should estimate the potential SHSAT scores of their children and re-distributed those below the 77 percentile to other lesser schools. The consequence of that is that the performance of Christa Mcauliffe WILL DROP, LIKE IT IS NOW. The kicker is that those students that has NO CHANCE with FAR BELOW THE SHSAT CUTOFF to enter the Elite8 under the old rules can now enrolled in schools that previously not sending any students to the Elite8 that 23% of them COULD NOW HAVE THE CHANCE TO ENTER THE ELITE8. I even gave out the list of schools with respect to the expected SHSAT scores.

  106. @Steve Sailer
    @dux.ie

    What are these, Yiddish-speaking ultra-Orthodox public schools?

    Replies: @dux.ie, @Reg Cæsar

    The NY district G8 math scores for White and Black schools.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @dux.ie

    Where's G8?

    Replies: @dux.ie

  107. @Farenheit
    @Arclight


    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn’t match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it’s depressing to see
     
    As a late 50s dude, I sometimes explain to the youngsters about a mythical time when you went out in public and everyone was thin, there were no tattoos, people were dressed appropriately, and there was a commonly accepted set of manners.

    It's not just academics and professional competence that's taken a nose dive, it's pretty full spectrum now.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Shale boi, @Beavertales, @22pp22, @Erik L

    White males who can handle the trades are going to out earn all the mediocre youth whose college education has been made obsolete by AI.

    Unless a brown horde of Latinos and East Indians floods the blue color job market.

  108. @Mr. Blank
    I'm curious about how the billionaire class is discussing this among themselves, now that it's becoming clear that they can't just spend their way out of many of these problems.

    Have they resigned themselves to just living in Global Brazil? Or are they thinking more of the "Elysium" model, where they will try to establish enclaves (on earth to begin with, possibly in space at some future date) to preserve civilization for themselves while the rest of the planet turns into a giant favela?

    Elon Musk is clearly in the "Elysium" camp, though I doubt he'd put it so bluntly — at least in public. I wonder if there are others.

    Replies: @Shale boi, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @bomag

    Do a search on billionaires in New Zealand. It’s sort of the de facto place for wealthy preppers.

    • Replies: @Renard
    @Shale boi

    Yep. The richest person I know has a house in NZ, with a spectacular sea view too. He hardly ever visits but it must be comforting to know it's there.

  109. @Jim Don Bob
    @Arclight

    This scam is rampant in the federal government. An AA firm wins the award then "teams" with one of the beltway bandits who do most of the work. But, as Arclight says, the minority participation press release looks good, which is all that the diversicrats care about.

    Replies: @Shale boi

    It’s like corruption in the Soviet Union. It was explained to me by a defector. Even the leaders understood that some market economy was needed to keep things functioning…and the black market was at least a market!

  110. @Travis
    @Art Deco

    The white population has collapsed since 1990 when we had 130 million Whites under the age of 46 and today we have 85 million whites under the age of 46. This is a decline of 33% over the past 33 years.

    we have lost 45 million young whites since 1990. So we are running out of young whites, which is a big reason standards are being lowered and our military is not able to maintain our troop levels, thus they are also lowering the standards for enlisting in the military.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

    we have lost 45 million young whites since 1990

    As one of those 130 million, I’m (sort-of) happy to report that according to the actuarial tables 90% of us are still here. We’re just not young anymore.

  111. @PiltdownMan
    Not entirely OT:

    With surge from India, international students flock to United States

    "A report released Monday found 1,057,188 international students in the U.S. higher education system during the 2022-23 school year, up nearly 12 percent from the previous year. Not since the late 1970s has the total grown that much in one year. These students bring global perspectives to campuses and account for more than 5 percent of postsecondary enrollment in the United States.

    The total from India reached 268,923, up 35 percent, according to the Open Doors report from the State Department and the Institute of International Education. That set a record for what is now the world’s most populous nation.

    “The U.S. maintains a strong relationship with India on education, which I think is getting even stronger and even more connected between our governments and between the university sector and other stakeholders,” Marianne Craven, acting deputy assistant secretary of state for academic exchanges, told reporters recently. She said Indian students are drawn for many reasons, including “top-flight faculty in our colleges and universities.”

    The report shows that most of these Indian students — nearly 166,000 — are seeking master’s degrees or other advanced credentials. They are gravitating in large numbers to Texas, New York, California, Massachusetts and Illinois."
     


     

    Replies: @International Jew, @Anonymous

    That might just reflect a post-covid rebound.

  112. All this talk about old-timers. I bet some of you guys can remember when half a trillion was real money!

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman, Hail
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @HammerJack

    My thanks was for the meme/poster, HJ. I'm almost sure that with all the burden placed on Americans by this immigration invasion, one could come up with a few more monetary effects (in the negative) that this study missed. Were one to somehow quantify some of the quality of life effects, this could go to the many Trillions.

    Anyway, I wrote to note that even today 1/2 a Trillion $ IS still "real money". It's over 10%, maybe near 15%, some years, of all the income tax collected by the IRS. Now, once hyperinflation happens, then you can start using $100,000,000,000 bills to light your joint, HammerJack, which you'll probably need ...

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @HammerJack

    I appreciate Marjorie Taylor Greene as the only congress critter "impolite" enough to bring up issues like this and attempt to do something about them. Unfortunately, her effort to have Mayorkas impeached failed.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  113. @anyone with a brain
    Americans never were an intellectual rigorous people. American cars have always been junk.

    America is a ponzi scheme, it is just that now is the time it is collapsing.

    White males have created amd funded all these zombie corporations that employ lying hacks for six figure salaries. Jack Welch at GE is an illustrative case.

    The White male leadership at Boeing that decided to screw over themselves and switch production to South Carolina. Why didn't the older generations pass on knowledge about plane making to new generations? Because they are selfish short sighted boomers.

    The fruits of boomerocracy are in full view of everyone.

    Apple makes overpriced crap for tech illiterate.
    Google search is crap.
    Microsoft sucks even more now.
    Boeing planes crash.
    US Naval ships collide and catch fire.
    Politics is a gerontocracy sideshow.

    This is the fault of White males seeking profits.

    The Steve Wozniak to Steve Jobs ratio has shifted heavily in favor of Steve Jobs.

    White men want to be like Steve Jobs. This is the for it the problem with America. Everyone of all races want to be Steve Jobs, because nowadays Steve Wozniak would be a social and financial loser.


    Yes, yes, I know Steve Jobs biological father is a Syrian.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @International Jew, @Renard, @Curle, @bomag

    What do you have against South Carolina?

    • Replies: @Flip
    @International Jew

    Warmongers Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley.

  114. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    In other words, everybody needs a high g factor of IQ.

    Lotsa luck with that.
     
    It's gonna take a lotta luck
    To change the way things are
    It's gonna take a lotta luck
    Or we won't get too far


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpFfjWdhROU

    In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNFSED77-GM

    In another thread, Twinkie asked me:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/confused-anti-semitic-muslim-terrorist-attacks-black-hebrew-israelite-facility/#comment-6259166 (#173)

    Are you going to tell me that female franchise and lack of slavery are aberrations and the former conditions are going to make a comeback?
     
    I made no prediction, but given how things are going, anything’s possible…

    Replies: @Redneck Farmer, @Curle

    I easily foresee a future where students are taught about the great idiocy that people are equal, and how it set humanity back decades.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
    @Redneck Farmer


    decades
     
    Wow, you are an unreasonable optimist.
  115. @Muggles

    In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.
     
    Great summary of the problem.

    This is already happening in Europe (due to fake "refugees" and free admittance to legacy colonials) and has already ruined government schools in Comrade run US cities and school districts.

    Of course not all non Whites are useless or incapable of good work. Just the numbers aren't great.

    Lower IQ people need greater outside discipline to maintain standards and to avoid racial/ethnic tribalism in workplaces.

    Post Boomer Americans will reap the rewards of what used to be seen as "liberalism" now run amok as Woke.

    Only in areas of society and economics where objective standards are maintained can competency be maintained. Technical areas of the military (mostly) have done this and other technical areas of the economy continue to reward good work.

    "Soft areas" of society run mainly by women and barely mediocre males will get worse. Robots will put a fol of these out to pasture.

    There are some signs that the long anticipated recession is near. This may also have a cleansing effect as unproductive gabbers and lazies are pushed out. The "lifeboat" effect of discarding the useless eaters will force changes whether or not the Comrades like it.

    Over hyped and hazy concepts (hello WeWork!, etc.) will fold and the cost of investment capital, no longer being zero, will continue to eliminate the unsustainable tech and Green religion sectors.

    Taxation is parasitical to productive endeavors so Bidenomics and "soft socialism" will have to diminish. Since people and capital are mobile, you can't maintain California Dreamin' schemes indefinitely. Like in former Communist nations, people leave Comrade run cities as fast as they can.

    The spate of closures by leftist ideological propaganda organs and outlets is a good sign. Places like Arizona, Texas and Florida will continue to drain the swamp as they attract the productive.

    For many here, being in the Boomer cohort looks better than ever...

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @HammerJack, @AceDeuce, @Peterike

    Only in areas of society and economics where objective standards are maintained can competency be maintained. Technical areas of the military (mostly) have done this

    Scratch the military from that list–including the “mostly” part. They contract out so much technical work/maintenance these days that it’s sickening. FedGov too, as a whole.

    And when these 45 y/o White Men doing that work are gone, here won’t be any replacements able to shoulder the load. It’s gonna get ugly. Hell, it’s already ugly.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  116. @anyone with a brain
    Americans never were an intellectual rigorous people. American cars have always been junk.

    America is a ponzi scheme, it is just that now is the time it is collapsing.

    White males have created amd funded all these zombie corporations that employ lying hacks for six figure salaries. Jack Welch at GE is an illustrative case.

    The White male leadership at Boeing that decided to screw over themselves and switch production to South Carolina. Why didn't the older generations pass on knowledge about plane making to new generations? Because they are selfish short sighted boomers.

    The fruits of boomerocracy are in full view of everyone.

    Apple makes overpriced crap for tech illiterate.
    Google search is crap.
    Microsoft sucks even more now.
    Boeing planes crash.
    US Naval ships collide and catch fire.
    Politics is a gerontocracy sideshow.

    This is the fault of White males seeking profits.

    The Steve Wozniak to Steve Jobs ratio has shifted heavily in favor of Steve Jobs.

    White men want to be like Steve Jobs. This is the for it the problem with America. Everyone of all races want to be Steve Jobs, because nowadays Steve Wozniak would be a social and financial loser.


    Yes, yes, I know Steve Jobs biological father is a Syrian.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @International Jew, @Renard, @Curle, @bomag

    Americans never were an intellectual rigorous people. American cars have always been junk.

    Before WW2, the best American cars vied with the best from anywhere. Speaking of names like Packard, Duesenberg, Pierce-Arrow and such.

    And this was the same period when America rose to technological pre-eminence in virtually every other field. In many of which WW2 was actually the catalyst for further advances.

    • Agree: mmack, Mike Conrad
    • Replies: @anyone with a brain
    @Renard

    Before World War II there weren't many countries making cars, so it is easy to rank as one of the better ones.

    As soon as Japan and Germany and now China have reindustrialised it is easy to see American cars were never good.


    America rose to technological pre-eminence in virtually every other field. In many of which WW2 was actually the catalyst for further advances.
     
    LOL

    America rose because its competitors were nuked, occupied, bankrupt or just plain war torn and robbed of a generation of young men. Plus America took in Nazi scientist with the very real that if non-cooperation meaning being hanged by the triumphant conquerors.

    Like I said Americans were never an intellectual rigorous people.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle, @Renard, @Jack D

  117. @dux.ie
    @Steve Sailer

    The NY district G8 math scores for White and Black schools.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Where’s G8?

    • Replies: @dux.ie
    @Steve Sailer

    Grade 8 Math, the usual score for NAEP.

  118. @Mr. Blank
    I'm curious about how the billionaire class is discussing this among themselves, now that it's becoming clear that they can't just spend their way out of many of these problems.

    Have they resigned themselves to just living in Global Brazil? Or are they thinking more of the "Elysium" model, where they will try to establish enclaves (on earth to begin with, possibly in space at some future date) to preserve civilization for themselves while the rest of the planet turns into a giant favela?

    Elon Musk is clearly in the "Elysium" camp, though I doubt he'd put it so bluntly — at least in public. I wonder if there are others.

    Replies: @Shale boi, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @bomag

  119. … America runs out of whites.

    BUT – There’s nearly 2 billion subcons to import from and award H1B visas to.

  120. @Steve Sailer
    @dux.ie

    Where's G8?

    Replies: @dux.ie

    Grade 8 Math, the usual score for NAEP.

  121. The basic phenomenon is

    To educate means to put up a fight with the will to succeed.

    Goethe had this to say about it:

    GGGGGGG – Goetheana XVII – GGGGGGG
    – education and it’s limits: are discussed here
    in the concisest manner –

    …it is the highest punishment that we impose on the pupils; they are declared unworthy to show reverence and compelled to present themselves as crude and uneducated; but they do everything possible to save themselves from this situation. However, if a young creature becomes stubborn about this and is not willing to repent, you will send them back to their parents with a short but concise report.

    Anyone who does not learn to obey the rules must leave the area where they apply.

    From Johann Wolfgang von Goethe’s late (1821/29) .E.d.u.c.a.t.i.o.n.a.l. .N.o.v.e.l. (=Bildungsroman) – Wihlem Master’s Journeyman Years, 2nd Book, 2nd chapter, p. 151, in the German dtv ed., ’62

    (from my ongoing X-series about the novel)

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
  122. @Shale boi
    @Mr. Blank

    Do a search on billionaires in New Zealand. It's sort of the de facto place for wealthy preppers.

    Replies: @Renard

    Yep. The richest person I know has a house in NZ, with a spectacular sea view too. He hardly ever visits but it must be comforting to know it’s there.

  123. @dux.ie
    CHRISTA MCAULIFFE used to be no. 1 for all NYC schools. What happen??

    Rank| M6Score|Cat|Name
    1| 506.27|Asian|NEW EXPLORATIONS INTO SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY AND MATH
    2| 505.65|Asian|THE ANDERSON SCHOOL
    3| 497.68|Asian|THE 30TH AVENUE SCHOOL (G&T CITYWIDE)
    4| 496.94|Asian|TAG YOUNG SCHOLARS
    5| 496.0|Asian|BROOKLYN SCHOOL OF INQUIRY
    6| 495.29|Asian|P.S./I.S. 119 THE GLENDALE
    7| 494.75|Asian|YORKVILLE EAST MIDDLE SCHOOL
    8| 493.88|Asian|P.S./M.S. 200 - THE MAGNET SCHOOL OF GLOBAL STUDIE
    9| 492.91|Asian|THE CHRISTA MCAULIFFE SCHOOL I.S. 187

    Replies: @Renard, @dux.ie

    CHRISTA MCAULIFFE

    In case someone never heard this one, transport yourself back to 1986. Keep in mind that Christa was one of the first civilian astronauts. It was a very big deal that a school teacher could go up in the space shuttle.

    “OMG! They found the black-box flight recorder from the Challenger, and they now know Christa McAuliffe’s final words!”

    “What’s this button do?”

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Renard

    Apologies if this have been posted before but a coupla chicks space walking last week outside the ISS let go their tool bag which can now be seen orbiting the Earth a few hundred feet away. I'd bet this would not have happened if they'd had their cell phones in the bag.

    https://www.space.com/astronauts-international-space-station-tool-bag-visible

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

  124. @dux.ie
    CHRISTA MCAULIFFE used to be no. 1 for all NYC schools. What happen??

    Rank| M6Score|Cat|Name
    1| 506.27|Asian|NEW EXPLORATIONS INTO SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY AND MATH
    2| 505.65|Asian|THE ANDERSON SCHOOL
    3| 497.68|Asian|THE 30TH AVENUE SCHOOL (G&T CITYWIDE)
    4| 496.94|Asian|TAG YOUNG SCHOLARS
    5| 496.0|Asian|BROOKLYN SCHOOL OF INQUIRY
    6| 495.29|Asian|P.S./I.S. 119 THE GLENDALE
    7| 494.75|Asian|YORKVILLE EAST MIDDLE SCHOOL
    8| 493.88|Asian|P.S./M.S. 200 - THE MAGNET SCHOOL OF GLOBAL STUDIE
    9| 492.91|Asian|THE CHRISTA MCAULIFFE SCHOOL I.S. 187

    Replies: @Renard, @dux.ie

    Hmm, this should not be a surprise. I have forgotten previously I had pointed out those harebrained scheme of NYC politicians were full of holes that you could drive a bus thru them. I had a detailed quantitative guide on how to GAME the scheme and if enough people followed them there could be THE REVERSED OF WHAT THEY EXPECTED WITH MORE WHITE AND ASIAN IN THE ELITE8 SCHOOLS. In short elite middle school like Christa Mcauliffe used to have high % entering the Elite8 but it was cut down to I think 23% in the new scheme. What those parents should estimate the potential SHSAT scores of their children and re-distributed those below the 77 percentile to other lesser schools. The consequence of that is that the performance of Christa Mcauliffe WILL DROP, LIKE IT IS NOW. The kicker is that those students that has NO CHANCE with FAR BELOW THE SHSAT CUTOFF to enter the Elite8 under the old rules can now enrolled in schools that previously not sending any students to the Elite8 that 23% of them COULD NOW HAVE THE CHANCE TO ENTER THE ELITE8. I even gave out the list of schools with respect to the expected SHSAT scores.

  125. @Redneck Farmer
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I easily foresee a future where students are taught about the great idiocy that people are equal, and how it set humanity back decades.

    Replies: @anonymous coward

    decades

    Wow, you are an unreasonable optimist.

  126. The Competency Crisis Is Growing

    And it’s only just begun. Idiocracy was overly optimistic.

    The top 20 Countries with the highest birth rates have an IQ average of 67.86

    https://citizenwatchreport.com/the-top-20-countries-with-the-highest-birth-rates-have-an-iq-average-of-67-86/

    • Thanks: Mike Conrad
  127. @Farenheit
    @Arclight


    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn’t match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it’s depressing to see
     
    As a late 50s dude, I sometimes explain to the youngsters about a mythical time when you went out in public and everyone was thin, there were no tattoos, people were dressed appropriately, and there was a commonly accepted set of manners.

    It's not just academics and professional competence that's taken a nose dive, it's pretty full spectrum now.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Shale boi, @Beavertales, @22pp22, @Erik L

    I went to a garage to pick up my car today, and I looked around and thought: What a bunch of degenerates! One bald old dude had tattoos all over the top fo this head. The other two guys had earrings and one was grossly obese.

    • Replies: @Farenheit
    @22pp22

    In Northern Cali, that experience would have been a couple of 23 yr old girls at Starbucks...

  128. @Mark in BC
    Am I the only one who remembers back to the seventies when blacks who applied themselves and worked hard to get good grades were shunned, abused and ridiculed for "acting white"?

    As doctor Phil might ask, "how's that workin' out fer ya'?

    Replies: @Old Prude

    I’ve come to realize they WERE acting white.

  129. @Achmed E. Newman
    @SFG

    The government? Incompetency in government is not at all what I'm worried about - it can be a good thing much of the time.

    How do we quantify the slide into 3rd-Worldliness? I can qualify it a least, but that's because I have a good memory for the way things used to work.

    Replies: @SFG

    Good point, I was thinking more of how growing up in the big city private was always better than public, from schools to transportation.

    I believe you…what do you mean?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @SFG

    I wasn't thinking bus drivers, so thanks for that reminder, SFG. Nor was I thinking workers at the Highway Department (DMV) etc.

    My point was the the Potomac Regime agencies that are at this point Totalitarian bureaus out to get us - see Tucker Carlson's interview with Doug Mackey, who's getting 10 years jail time for forwarding tweets. - will get their proportion of AA/Woke employees who can't get the real job done. That will be a good thing for us.

    I always think of those Jason Bourne movies. I think Hollywood and Gov't WANT us to think that the CIA, whoever it is, is really composed of a crack squad of men who don't miss anything, while there are actually the usual share of screw-ups, bureaucratic BS, and such that mean you can get away with a lot more than the movie would make you think.

    I wrote about this long ago in a series of Peak Stupidity posts: Apprehending Jason Bourne - All-powerful Feral Gov't - NOT!: Part 1 - - Part 2 - - Part 3.

    Humorous excerpt from Part 2 below, from the not-yet-released Bourne Stupidity:

    "We need to get that cell phone conversation from last week, from when our Asset saw Mr. Bourne at the Berlin Zoo train station." "My top man, Leroy is on it, sir, but he called in sick last Monday." "Well, show me the video, please, on the big monitor!" "That's just the big-screen TV, sir; the Indian IT guy wasn't able to get the feed on there." "This is urgent!" "Yes, we have a help-desk ticket on it - I did it myself." "Also, most of the video got erased accidentally by that new-hire chick." "That is NOT! ACCEPTABLE! I am in charge of finding our wayward asset, do you understand? I struggled, kissed ass, and performed numerous blow-jobs to get here, and I'll not have this operation brought to a standstill now!" "Yes, Maam, uhhh, I mean sir now, sorry."

    "You and the team will be heading to Prague as soon as the jet is ready." "Of course, but the transportation department's 113-slash-A request was not signed, sir; it got sent back to accounting. It may be a few days." "Gas up the JetRanger to get us over to JFK." "Don't tell me, in the shop, right?" "Yeah, we're outsourcing the parts ordering and hot-sections now." "Listen, how bad do we really want this guy?" "He'll blow all of our cover!" "Yeah, but, can we push this off until the spring, after my retirement?"

  130. @Nicholas Stix
    @Brutusale

    I can't make sense of the thing you linked to, because it's impossible to know whom the writer is referring, or he's just talking rot.

    "There are black families who say they turned to homeschooling in order to keep their kids away from the school-to-prison pipeline, Stuber said.

    "Families of color and those with religious affiliations seeking to avoid bullying and racism.

    "There are also families who pull their trans kids out of school to avoid an unhealthy situation where they feel threatened, Stuber said."

    I can't make sense of the posting. "families of" what "color"? "bullying and racism" by whom?

    The "school-to-prison pipeline" is non-existent.

    "trans kids"?! That's garbage.

    Replies: @bomag, @Brutusale

    Was a general article on the increase in homeschooling; mocking teacher’s union leader Randi Weingarten for wondering why there was an increase.

    Was a bit strange the writer leans on people-of-color/trans kids quotes.

    Succinct comment:

    “via Zoom, parents got a glimpse into what was happening in the classroom, they didn’t like it.”

  131. @Mr. Blank
    I'm curious about how the billionaire class is discussing this among themselves, now that it's becoming clear that they can't just spend their way out of many of these problems.

    Have they resigned themselves to just living in Global Brazil? Or are they thinking more of the "Elysium" model, where they will try to establish enclaves (on earth to begin with, possibly in space at some future date) to preserve civilization for themselves while the rest of the planet turns into a giant favela?

    Elon Musk is clearly in the "Elysium" camp, though I doubt he'd put it so bluntly — at least in public. I wonder if there are others.

    Replies: @Shale boi, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @bomag

    Hasn’t most of human existence been the “Elysium” model? I.E. you carve out a village of 150 people or so; defend it, and hope no one takes what you’ve got.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @bomag


    Hasn’t most of human existence been the “Elysium” model?
     
    There have been other models:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/ancient-dna-and-the-popularity-of-bronze-age-pervert/
  132. @Anonymous
    I've been watching this since the 90s with distaste. Actually, hedge fund parasites viewed education as a lucrative market, not as an ameliorative project. Underneath the "quality" bullshit, they always planned to Taylorize it. Which requires variety-reducing organizations and not variety-increasing ones like real schools. So, lowest common denominator; rote or process over habits of mind; minimize the inputs, particularly staff. The only economical way to deal with differential learning capacity is dumb it down, so naturally that's what they did.

    In short, the motive was not ideology but profit. The best education comes from tutors, "class" size of 1-3, and that prevents economies of scale.

    Replies: @bomag

    I suppose hedge funds have made some coin off education inc., but the thing is mainly a publicly funded jobs program/babysitting service. Local ghetto-ish school has doubled the workforce/pupil since the 70s; half or better of funding comes from fed gov.

    Few of the teachers/staff live locally; commute in, pick up a check, go home.

  133. @anonymous
    Famous and high-earning YouTuber Mr Beast has used some of his earnings to construct simple, serviceable wells bringing fresh water to hundreds of thousands of people in Africa

    But he is now accused of racism, embarrassing Africa's black governments by the implicit suggestion they are unconcerned and incompetent, and using Africans as a prop to promote himself

    'MrBeast faces new criticism, admits his humanitarian efforts might get him ‘canceled’'
    https://www.deseret.com/entertainment/2023/11/6/23949077/mrbeast-canceled-backlash-wells-africa-criticism

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwKJfNYwvm8

    Replies: @G. Poulin

    Too much altruism will get you killed. Learn this, Mr. Beast, and let those Africans dig their own damn wells.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  134. @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    Back in the 1970’s the federal government made money available that would have funded most of the cost of the Second Avenue Subway. All that the city had to do in order to get the federal funds was throw in a much smaller amount of its own money, and it had already earmarked the necessary funds.

    Unfortunately, subway fare revenues were falling short and a 5-cent fare increase looked inevitable. Fearful of the political fallout that raising the fare would produce, in a morally dubious but technically legal maneuver Mayor Abraham Beame skimmed off the earmarked Second Avenue funds to stave off the fare increase. As a result of the so-called Beame Shuffle the federal government withdrew its funds and Second Avenue never got built. And soon enough the subway fare ended up increasing.

    Another example of Typical New York Incompetence, though not a government project, is the enormous Episcopal Cathedral of St. John the Divine, still far from completion even though construction started way back in 1892. Given the ongoing implosion of the Episcopal Church it's a safe bet that the Cathedral will never be finished. Fun fact: the congregation that actually worships at the Cathedral, which has a seating capacity far into the thousands, has fewer than 200 members

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @G. Poulin, @AnotherDad

    Maybe when those two hundred aging liberals finally kick the bucket, the Cathedral can be turned into a fancy restaurant or something else that’s useful.

  135. @theMann
    You can have High Standards or you can have Equality - the two are mutually exclusive.

    In the meantime - the first rate man hires first rate men. The second rate man hires third rate men. Pretty obvious what is going on in our society.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Yeah, women are doing the hiring.

  136. @Bill Jones
    And in St Paul, it's just getting started.

    St. Paul, Minnesota elects first all-female council in city's history

    First Order of Business : St Paula.
    Take a look at this and tell me it's going to go well.

    https://images.axios.com/7CpFMp2moGAPdFd-sKWgmYXrPUs=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2023/11/10/1699629534326.png?w=1920




    https://www.axios.com/2023/11/11/st-paul-all-female-council-minnesota-election-results

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Patrick in SC, @ThreeCranes, @Ganderson, @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Meretricious

    Well, men. Keep your powder dry and your chariot axles well greased.

    Or, if you’re a mariner, it’s time to build our own lifeboat and cast off from this sinking ship. Make provision for yourself and any European woman who wants European children.

    It’s basically a city person/rural person split. We’ve lost the cities but that’s not a disaster as they’re not as important today, what with decentralization due to autos and the internet.

    As I’ve traveled across America I’ve noticed that many small factories and machine shops have relocated to the rural/suburb fringe zone due, no doubt, to cheaper land, new infrastructure and the intelligent White workforce.

    Let Dems keep the cities with their clogged roads, decrepit waste water systems, run-down public transit, polluted air/water and generally, disagreeable whiners. Dems love to try and solve problems which are better walked away from; it gives their meaningless lives purpose.

  137. @the one they call Desanex

    She is the first Latina woman to serve in the position.
     
    https://www.nysed.gov/commissioner-bio

    Doctor Betty A. Rosa = Broody taco taster

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Latina woman? How stupid!

  138. @mmack
    @Rooster17

    About two weeks ago Z at his Z Man blog had a post about trying to get fast food near Bodymore, Murderland where he lives.

    https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=31060

    My reply to him was:

    “My own experience of Fast Food is I avoid it when I can but out in Suburbia in damned near literal farmland the staff at our local McD’s is teenagers who share my skin palor, smile, are pleasant, and can fill orders.

    Closer in to the edges of Our Big City (Democratic run of course) if you stop in a McD’s expect to see confused expressions and hear “¿Que?” a lot when ordering.

    Within Our Big City? Oh Hell Naw!”

    But Diversity Is Our Strength you know.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    I hadn’t read your post when I posted below. You’re right on about the good stuff being located “out in Suburbia in damned near literal farmland”.

    As for the fast food in minority-staffed city joints, Jesse Jackson taught them it’s okay to spit in White people’s food.

  139. “In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.”

    No worries – we will import Indians to fill in the competency gap caused by fewer whites. There are hordes of right-of-the-curve Indians with an IQ > 110 willing to colonize the Anglosphere as one if its new elite classes (nothing to do with India’s average IQ of 84).

    I know because I am a half-Indian (dot not feather) millennial. The other half of me is legacy white American.

    • Agree: Mike Conrad
  140. @anon
    @Wilkey

    Abraham Lincoln had very little formal education.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    Yeah, but he read a ton and became a lawyer the old-fashioned way etc. Plenty of actual education there.

  141. @PiltdownMan
    Not entirely OT:

    With surge from India, international students flock to United States

    "A report released Monday found 1,057,188 international students in the U.S. higher education system during the 2022-23 school year, up nearly 12 percent from the previous year. Not since the late 1970s has the total grown that much in one year. These students bring global perspectives to campuses and account for more than 5 percent of postsecondary enrollment in the United States.

    The total from India reached 268,923, up 35 percent, according to the Open Doors report from the State Department and the Institute of International Education. That set a record for what is now the world’s most populous nation.

    “The U.S. maintains a strong relationship with India on education, which I think is getting even stronger and even more connected between our governments and between the university sector and other stakeholders,” Marianne Craven, acting deputy assistant secretary of state for academic exchanges, told reporters recently. She said Indian students are drawn for many reasons, including “top-flight faculty in our colleges and universities.”

    The report shows that most of these Indian students — nearly 166,000 — are seeking master’s degrees or other advanced credentials. They are gravitating in large numbers to Texas, New York, California, Massachusetts and Illinois."
     


     

    Replies: @International Jew, @Anonymous

    Hat Tip:

    Indian ‘students’ are really settlers.

  142. it became racist to attribute racial gaps to anything other than Systemic Racism and to suggest any remedies other than jobs and cash handouts for blacks.

    In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.

    This is a non-sequitur because the Black population, which everyone in HBDland obsesses about, has remained more or less stable in the US. It’s the Latino mestizo population (and other groups such as Asians, Indians, etc) that have mushroomed.

    While the racial replacement (by Latinos, not Blacks) is part of the “crisis of competency”, there are other factors as well.

    The main one, I think, it’s just social disintegration. No one cares about the institutions, communities, etc because they don’t really exist, we don’t live in a cohesive, real country anymore.

    It’s each group, or not even that, but really just each individual for himself.

    Hard to have a “high trust society” this way, regardless of the “IQ” stuff.

    • Agree: The Anti-Gnostic
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Dumbo

    "The main one, I think, it’s just social disintegration. No one cares about the institutions, communities, etc because they don’t really exist, we don’t live in a cohesive, real country anymore."

    This is why I love this fine opinion webzine. Comments like this serve as a reminder that there is small subset of the population who is completely out of touch with reality. Yes, people do care about the institutions and communities, they are part of them through their careers and social lives. And, as evident by the divide between D's and R's, it is clear that each side is steadfast in their position to direct the country they love to a particular place.

    My vague impression is that YOUR definition of a "high trust society" is anyone who is 100% committed to the ideology you espouse, and anyone who fails to or chooses to not adhere to it, well, they are other than trustworthy. Pretty shallow if you ask me.

    Replies: @Prester John

  143. @Houston 1992
    The competency crisis seems to have spread to the Secret Service and shooting straight . Today in DC , agents fired at perps breaking into Bidens granddaughter car — but did not hit them
    Bullets can ricochet and kill innocents … I expect SS bullets to lodge or be slowed down in the body of perps

    Replies: @HammerJack, @anonymous, @Brutusale, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    Warning shots intentional, to avoid the news stories about Biden’s Secret Service actually killing a scholar?

  144. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    In other words, everybody needs a high g factor of IQ.

    Lotsa luck with that.
     
    It's gonna take a lotta luck
    To change the way things are
    It's gonna take a lotta luck
    Or we won't get too far


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpFfjWdhROU

    In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNFSED77-GM

    In another thread, Twinkie asked me:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/confused-anti-semitic-muslim-terrorist-attacks-black-hebrew-israelite-facility/#comment-6259166 (#173)

    Are you going to tell me that female franchise and lack of slavery are aberrations and the former conditions are going to make a comeback?
     
    I made no prediction, but given how things are going, anything’s possible…

    Replies: @Redneck Farmer, @Curle

    I remember song but never saw the video. Can’t say I’ve ever seen a woman play the saxophone.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Curle

    Loved that song, and I thought Rindy Ross's sax was great.

    "In a 1982 interview, Rindy Ross said that she viewed the saxophone as an extension of her voice, enabling her to express things she could not express with her voice alone."

  145. @Houston 1992
    The competency crisis seems to have spread to the Secret Service and shooting straight . Today in DC , agents fired at perps breaking into Bidens granddaughter car — but did not hit them
    Bullets can ricochet and kill innocents … I expect SS bullets to lodge or be slowed down in the body of perps

    Replies: @HammerJack, @anonymous, @Brutusale, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    LEO shooting tends to be a joke. Compared to the shooting skills shown by your average “good guy with a gun”, law enforcement is up there with gangbangers in their ability to find the X-ring.

  146. @Anon
    "Everybody’s not going to need algebra."

    If paying taxes, calculating the price of something when it's on sale, or doubling a recipe is beyond your mental capacity, we have a problem. What exactly are we supposed to do with this large mass of adults who aren't even as intelligent as an average white 8th grader?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @FPD72, @Frau Katze

    Everybody’s not going to need to know where to put the word “not” in a sentence.

  147. @Renard
    @anyone with a brain


    Americans never were an intellectual rigorous people. American cars have always been junk.
     
    Before WW2, the best American cars vied with the best from anywhere. Speaking of names like Packard, Duesenberg, Pierce-Arrow and such.

    And this was the same period when America rose to technological pre-eminence in virtually every other field. In many of which WW2 was actually the catalyst for further advances.

    Replies: @anyone with a brain

    Before World War II there weren’t many countries making cars, so it is easy to rank as one of the better ones.

    As soon as Japan and Germany and now China have reindustrialised it is easy to see American cars were never good.

    America rose to technological pre-eminence in virtually every other field. In many of which WW2 was actually the catalyst for further advances.

    LOL

    America rose because its competitors were nuked, occupied, bankrupt or just plain war torn and robbed of a generation of young men. Plus America took in Nazi scientist with the very real that if non-cooperation meaning being hanged by the triumphant conquerors.

    Like I said Americans were never an intellectual rigorous people.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @anyone with a brain

    America rose because its competitors
    ==
    Per capita product in this country in 1820 trailed only that in Britain, the Netherlands, and northern Italy. By 1913, we were leading the world. NB. war reconstruction in Europe was complete by 1959. You're peddling fiction.

    , @Curle
    @anyone with a brain

    “Like I said Americans were never an intellectual rigorous people.”

    I obviously don’t know how old your grandfather is or would be but I wonder if you ever saw one of his HS exams? I’ve seen one of my grandfather’s, right before he went overseas to fight in France during WW1. The history questions alone would exceed most colleges today. Teenagers of that day, in a southern state no less, were required to pass classes that tested for all kinds of Roman and ancient history. Today you’d be lucky if they could identify the Pilgrims.

    , @Renard
    @anyone with a brain


    Before World War II there weren’t many countries making cars, so it is easy to rank as one of the better ones.
     
    Bugatti, Bentley, Hispano-Suiza, Maserati, Mercedes-Benz, Horch, Daimler, Delahaye, etc etc etc.

    As soon as Japan and Germany and now China have reindustrialised it is easy to see American cars were never good.

     

    You have contradicted yourself.

    America rose because its competitors were nuked, occupied, bankrupt or just plain war torn and robbed of a generation of young men. Plus America took in Nazi scientist with the very real that if non-cooperation meaning being hanged by the triumphant conquerors.
     
    As I stated (and A.D. documented) America's rise to pre-eminence predated WW2.

    Like I said Americans were never an intellectual rigorous people.
     
    Your trolling lacks skill, and knowledge.
    , @Jack D
    @anyone with a brain


    As soon as Japan and Germany and now China have reindustrialised it is easy to see American cars were never good.
     
    That's not what went on at all. The US was a world leader in autos and especially in the mass production of inexpensive cars. The Germans invented the car but the Americans made it affordable to everyone. In most other countries, a car was a plaything of the rich and it was hand built by craftsmen and had a price tag to match. So yes a Mercedes was better than a Plymouth, maybe even better than a Cadillac, but you are comparing apples to oranges (or kumquats to juice oranges). Hitler initiated the Volkswagen because there was nothing in Germany that was equivalent to the affordability of a Ford or Chevy in America.

    The Japanese learned everything they knew about cars from the Americans. The first Toyota engine was a license built version of a Chevrolet motor. Eventually the pupil exceeded the teacher because they look American lessons about quality control to heart while we forgot them and focused on tail fins and marketing instead.

    Chinese cars are crap to this day.

    Replies: @Curle, @Art Deco

  148. @Nicholas Stix
    @Brutusale

    I can't make sense of the thing you linked to, because it's impossible to know whom the writer is referring, or he's just talking rot.

    "There are black families who say they turned to homeschooling in order to keep their kids away from the school-to-prison pipeline, Stuber said.

    "Families of color and those with religious affiliations seeking to avoid bullying and racism.

    "There are also families who pull their trans kids out of school to avoid an unhealthy situation where they feel threatened, Stuber said."

    I can't make sense of the posting. "families of" what "color"? "bullying and racism" by whom?

    The "school-to-prison pipeline" is non-existent.

    "trans kids"?! That's garbage.

    Replies: @bomag, @Brutusale

    C’mon, man, I have to explain quick-cut journalism like the shitheads at Axios produce?

    Meanwhile, people like this cannot be borne by our government. Too numerous and white…

    https://nypost.com/2023/09/30/german-family-who-sought-asylum-in-us-for-homeschooling-faces-deportation/

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Brutusale

    I had only noticed that it was re-posted at twitchy. Once you mentioned axios, everything became clear. Why the Malkins would re-post such pc garbage (pardon the redundancy) is a mystery to me.

  149. @HammerJack
    https://i.ibb.co/k2G2g6j/Screenshot-20231114-015325-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    All this talk about old-timers. I bet some of you guys can remember when half a trillion was real money!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Harry Baldwin

    My thanks was for the meme/poster, HJ. I’m almost sure that with all the burden placed on Americans by this immigration invasion, one could come up with a few more monetary effects (in the negative) that this study missed. Were one to somehow quantify some of the quality of life effects, this could go to the many Trillions.

    Anyway, I wrote to note that even today 1/2 a Trillion $ IS still “real money”. It’s over 10%, maybe near 15%, some years, of all the income tax collected by the IRS. Now, once hyperinflation happens, then you can start using $100,000,000,000 bills to light your joint, HammerJack, which you’ll probably need …

  150. @anyone with a brain
    Americans never were an intellectual rigorous people. American cars have always been junk.

    America is a ponzi scheme, it is just that now is the time it is collapsing.

    White males have created amd funded all these zombie corporations that employ lying hacks for six figure salaries. Jack Welch at GE is an illustrative case.

    The White male leadership at Boeing that decided to screw over themselves and switch production to South Carolina. Why didn't the older generations pass on knowledge about plane making to new generations? Because they are selfish short sighted boomers.

    The fruits of boomerocracy are in full view of everyone.

    Apple makes overpriced crap for tech illiterate.
    Google search is crap.
    Microsoft sucks even more now.
    Boeing planes crash.
    US Naval ships collide and catch fire.
    Politics is a gerontocracy sideshow.

    This is the fault of White males seeking profits.

    The Steve Wozniak to Steve Jobs ratio has shifted heavily in favor of Steve Jobs.

    White men want to be like Steve Jobs. This is the for it the problem with America. Everyone of all races want to be Steve Jobs, because nowadays Steve Wozniak would be a social and financial loser.


    Yes, yes, I know Steve Jobs biological father is a Syrian.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @International Jew, @Renard, @Curle, @bomag

    I think your argument is a denunciation in search of a rationale.

    Boomers can be legitimately blamed for failing to resist Jewish power as it grew to nation destroying/open borders levels. But, then again few did so knowingly. Your arguments about the quality of various tech products versus your expectations comes from a strained starting point: your capacity for disappointment.

    “The fruits of boomerocracy are in full view of everyone.”

    “Apple makes overpriced crap for tech illiterate.
    Google search is crap.
    Microsoft sucks even more now.
    Boeing planes crash.
    US Naval ships collide and catch fire.
    Politics is a gerontocracy sideshow.”

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  151. @Malcolm Y
    Well, what is the phrase I'm looking for? Frys my bacon; grinds my gears? See we've been having super brilliant > 150 IQ conservative writers churning out text for the last, at least, 50 years and that method of avoiding disaster has failed. Every damn insane leftist belief of 10 years ago or greater is now embraced by "conservatives"; want to hear them quote MLK Jr. they can do it by heart and love it; they kind of accept abortion in a quiet way; oh no,no,no we're not racis etc. etc. etc. What we need is to have an army of Bull Conners ready to do what needs to be done.

    Replies: @Blodgie

    You’re calling for a fascistic police state to be imposed on the citizens?

    Angry, low IQ government agents with dogs and fire hoses to keep the citizens in line?

    Would you feel more safe if we suspended the constitution for a while and let those government agents really do their thing?

  152. @Shale boi
    @Farenheit

    It's the Vietnam War. Got the kids all weirded out.

    Replies: @Blodgie

    It got them “Weirded out” for good reason.

    Anyone who joined the military after 1973 is an utter moron.

    All the lessons on the reality of the situation were available to learn at that point.

  153. @SFG
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Good point, I was thinking more of how growing up in the big city private was always better than public, from schools to transportation.

    I believe you...what do you mean?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I wasn’t thinking bus drivers, so thanks for that reminder, SFG. Nor was I thinking workers at the Highway Department (DMV) etc.

    My point was the the Potomac Regime agencies that are at this point Totalitarian bureaus out to get us – see Tucker Carlson’s interview with Doug Mackey, who’s getting 10 years jail time for forwarding tweets. – will get their proportion of AA/Woke employees who can’t get the real job done. That will be a good thing for us.

    I always think of those Jason Bourne movies. I think Hollywood and Gov’t WANT us to think that the CIA, whoever it is, is really composed of a crack squad of men who don’t miss anything, while there are actually the usual share of screw-ups, bureaucratic BS, and such that mean you can get away with a lot more than the movie would make you think.

    I wrote about this long ago in a series of Peak Stupidity posts: Apprehending Jason Bourne – All-powerful Feral Gov’t – NOT!: Part 1 – – Part 2 – – Part 3.

    Humorous excerpt from Part 2 below, from the not-yet-released Bourne Stupidity:

    [MORE]

    “We need to get that cell phone conversation from last week, from when our Asset saw Mr. Bourne at the Berlin Zoo train station.” “My top man, Leroy is on it, sir, but he called in sick last Monday.” “Well, show me the video, please, on the big monitor!” “That’s just the big-screen TV, sir; the Indian IT guy wasn’t able to get the feed on there.” “This is urgent!” “Yes, we have a help-desk ticket on it – I did it myself.” “Also, most of the video got erased accidentally by that new-hire chick.” “That is NOT! ACCEPTABLE! I am in charge of finding our wayward asset, do you understand? I struggled, kissed ass, and performed numerous blow-jobs to get here, and I’ll not have this operation brought to a standstill now!” “Yes, Maam, uhhh, I mean sir now, sorry.”

    “You and the team will be heading to Prague as soon as the jet is ready.” “Of course, but the transportation department’s 113-slash-A request was not signed, sir; it got sent back to accounting. It may be a few days.” “Gas up the JetRanger to get us over to JFK.” “Don’t tell me, in the shop, right?” “Yeah, we’re outsourcing the parts ordering and hot-sections now.” “Listen, how bad do we really want this guy?” “He’ll blow all of our cover!” “Yeah, but, can we push this off until the spring, after my retirement?”

  154. @Robertson
    @Art Deco

    No sir. We are running out of whites.

    There was 120 million American whites under 40 in 1990.

    There are only 87 million whites under 40 in America now.

    Whites haven't had an above replacement birthrate in America since 1972. White America is slowly dying off, and it's generations are getting smaller. All the miscegenation (white women marrying non-white men and having non-white offspring) isn't even being factored in. Translation: there are probably at best 80 million American whites under 40 now.

    Replies: @James Braxton

    You are forgetting to count all the whites pretending to be indians.

    • LOL: Robertson
  155. @dux.ie
    @res

    Elsewhere some1 asserted that in no US district where Black Schools beat White Schools. From https://infohub.nyced.org/reports/academics/test-results the data just prove that is wrong.
    https://twitter.com/dux_ie/status/1724291822476837097

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rich, @res

    If these numbers were correct, they would be front page news everywhere. Biden would be visiting, Kamala would be dancing and Nobel prizes would be awarded. Very fishy.

    • Replies: @dux.ie
    @Rich

    https://hbr.org/2002/11/the-flaw-of-averages

    The Flaw of Averages

    "Consider the case of the statistician who drowns while fording a river that he calculates is, on average, three feet deep. If he were alive to tell the tale, he would expound on the “flaw of averages,” which states, simply, that plans based on assumptions about average conditions usually go wrong. This basic but almost always unseen flaw shows up everywhere in business, distorting accounts, undermining forecasts, and dooming apparently well-considered projects to disappointing results."

    Replies: @Rich

  156. @ChrisZ
    @Santoculto

    “High-IQ Parrots” is a vivid and useful coinage. Thanks.

    Replies: @Hail

    “High-IQ Parrots”

    What does it mean?

    And what’s this about:

    Jewish Paidean

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Hail

    Look up Barbara Lerner Spectre. You know, the lady who said Jews must destroy Europe to save it.

    Replies: @Hail

  157. @anyone with a brain
    Americans never were an intellectual rigorous people. American cars have always been junk.

    America is a ponzi scheme, it is just that now is the time it is collapsing.

    White males have created amd funded all these zombie corporations that employ lying hacks for six figure salaries. Jack Welch at GE is an illustrative case.

    The White male leadership at Boeing that decided to screw over themselves and switch production to South Carolina. Why didn't the older generations pass on knowledge about plane making to new generations? Because they are selfish short sighted boomers.

    The fruits of boomerocracy are in full view of everyone.

    Apple makes overpriced crap for tech illiterate.
    Google search is crap.
    Microsoft sucks even more now.
    Boeing planes crash.
    US Naval ships collide and catch fire.
    Politics is a gerontocracy sideshow.

    This is the fault of White males seeking profits.

    The Steve Wozniak to Steve Jobs ratio has shifted heavily in favor of Steve Jobs.

    White men want to be like Steve Jobs. This is the for it the problem with America. Everyone of all races want to be Steve Jobs, because nowadays Steve Wozniak would be a social and financial loser.


    Yes, yes, I know Steve Jobs biological father is a Syrian.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @International Jew, @Renard, @Curle, @bomag

    Even if one accepts your premises and conclusions, who else would you embrace in today’s world? Africans? Meso-Americans? Various Asian models? Not like there’s an obvious perfection we’re too stubborn to face.

  158. @Bill Jones
    And in St Paul, it's just getting started.

    St. Paul, Minnesota elects first all-female council in city's history

    First Order of Business : St Paula.
    Take a look at this and tell me it's going to go well.

    https://images.axios.com/7CpFMp2moGAPdFd-sKWgmYXrPUs=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2023/11/10/1699629534326.png?w=1920




    https://www.axios.com/2023/11/11/st-paul-all-female-council-minnesota-election-results

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Patrick in SC, @ThreeCranes, @Ganderson, @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Meretricious

    Not the St. Paul I grew up in….

  159. @Art Deco
    @Farenheit

    As a late 50s dude, I sometimes explain to the youngsters about a mythical time when you went out in public and everyone was thin, there were no tattoos, people were dressed appropriately, and there was a commonly accepted set of manners.
    ==
    Tattoos were rare in 1970. Rude people, fat people, and badly groomed people were not.

    Replies: @Curle

    “Rude people, fat people, and badly groomed people were not.”

    I don’t know when I first started noticing all the fat people but it was well past 1970. I do recall feeling slightly judgmental standing in a cafeteria line and an obese girl purchased an ice cream cone. This was approx 1984. Rude I don’t recall until visiting NYC in the 1980s.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Curle

    I could have introduced you to the receptionist at my suburban elementary school, along with all the cafeteria staff bar one if you wanted an example of rude. (The school nurse had her office down the hall from the lunch room. She once broke the fourth wall to me and said the disagreeable part of her job was 'fights in the kitchen'). No clue how the fat people didn't register with you, the adolescents with long hair, the young adults with absurd hair cuts and eyewear...

    Replies: @Curle

    , @Cool Daddy Jimbo
    @Curle


    I don’t know when I first started noticing all the fat people but it was well past 1970. I do recall feeling slightly judgmental standing in a cafeteria line and an obese girl purchased an ice cream cone. This was approx 1984. Rude I don’t recall until visiting NYC in the 1980s.
     
    I remember the exact day. 2004, in Julian CA. I saw a young lady wearing midriff shirt that exposed her grotesque spare tire and two-inch deep belly button. And I thought, "WtF? Does she not own a mirror?"
  160. @Farenheit
    @Arclight


    For those of us in their late 30s or older, for the rest of your life will be lived in a world that doesn’t match up to the standards you experienced when you were younger and it’s depressing to see
     
    As a late 50s dude, I sometimes explain to the youngsters about a mythical time when you went out in public and everyone was thin, there were no tattoos, people were dressed appropriately, and there was a commonly accepted set of manners.

    It's not just academics and professional competence that's taken a nose dive, it's pretty full spectrum now.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Shale boi, @Beavertales, @22pp22, @Erik L

    I blame rock and roll music

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Erik L


    I blame rock and roll music
     
    The Rev. Jimmie Snow, son of crooner Hank, certainly did:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k2vtXDYTNIk

    "...a contributing factor to our juvenile delinquency today."

  161. @Twinkie
    @rebel yell


    You want to problem solve and have an original insight? Do a lot of rote homework.
    People who have mastered an art or science, or at least studied one enough to appreciate the craft, know that practice, drills, and rote work are essential.
    Modern educators are idiots.
     
    100%.

    Likewise, a lot of "modern educators" are opposed to "teaching to tests," but this is contrary to actual, you know, scientific evidence on that issue, which has shown that tests (and studying for them) improve knowledge retention, i.e. when pupils know they will be tested on a subject, they tend to pay more attention to memorizing and retaining the knowledge that is required for the particular tests.

    Replies: @res

    I think the problem with “teaching to tests” is when it turns towards the extreme of “here are the ten questions you are going to be asked, no need to learn anything else.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @res


    I think the problem with “teaching to tests” is when it turns towards the extreme of “here are the ten questions you are going to be asked, no need to learn anything else.”
     
    I helped an immigrant or two study for the citizenship test, and found that's what I was expected to do. Our second grader could probably answer most of the questions without study, just from being in the room when her brothers watched history and geography videos, and she could learn the rest in a week if needed.

    How tough are citizenship tests in Europe, Latin America, and the rest of the Anglosphere?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Twinkie
    @res


    I think the problem with “teaching to tests” is when it turns towards the extreme of “here are the ten questions you are going to be asked, no need to learn anything else.”
     
    Anything taken to an extreme or absurdity is going to be counterproductive, but that's not what the "modern" teachers object about "teaching to the test."
  162. @Art Deco
    @anyone with a brain

    White men want to be like Steve Jobs. This is the for it the problem with America. Everyone of all races want to be Steve Jobs, because nowadays Steve Wozniak would be a social and financial loser.
    ==
    Mr. Wozniak has been through three sets of divorce proceedings and is, by the looks of him, morbidly obese.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Mr. Wozniak has been through three sets of divorce proceedings and is, by the looks of him, morbidly obese.

    But he can dance.

    It may be in the genes.

    Polish family turns Master Ballet Academy into international success

    Then again, Woźniak is tenth most-common surname in Poland. It’s their version of our Carter or Porter. (Porter Wagoner must have been strong, porting and pulling simultaneously.)

  163. @JimDandy
    @edwhy

    I wonder if the G.E.D. carries more weight than a H.S. diploma now.

    Replies: @res, @JimDandy, @cityview

    I wonder if the G.E.D. carries more weight than a H.S. diploma now.

    I don’t think so, but the potential is there given score granularity. The current SAT 99th percentile is 1550-1600 so only 6 distinct scores in that range. The GED 99th percentile is 187-200 so 14 distinct scores. Different norming may reduce that difference (SAT percentiles more against college bound).
    https://www.test-guide.com/ged-scores.html
    https://blog.prepscholar.com/sat-percentiles-and-score-rankings

    Just having a consistent test to allow between school comparisons is probably even more valuable.

    P.S. It appears the military treats the GED as less than a HS diploma.
    https://blog.essentialed.com/students/army-ged
    This kind of makes sense as a proxy for willing (or not) to put up with school.

  164. I kind of agree that not everyone will need to learn historical dates/advanced math etc. Schools are really designed to find the few kids that can and put them on track for advanced education.

  165. @res
    @Twinkie

    I think the problem with "teaching to tests" is when it turns towards the extreme of "here are the ten questions you are going to be asked, no need to learn anything else."

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie

    I think the problem with “teaching to tests” is when it turns towards the extreme of “here are the ten questions you are going to be asked, no need to learn anything else.”

    I helped an immigrant or two study for the citizenship test, and found that’s what I was expected to do. Our second grader could probably answer most of the questions without study, just from being in the room when her brothers watched history and geography videos, and she could learn the rest in a week if needed.

    How tough are citizenship tests in Europe, Latin America, and the rest of the Anglosphere?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Reg Cæsar


    I helped an immigrant or two study for the citizenship test, and found that’s what I was expected to do. Our second grader could probably answer most of the questions without study, just from being in the room when her brothers watched history and geography videos, and she could learn the rest in a week if needed.
     
    And, yet, most native-born Americans wouldn't fare too well:

    https://citizensandscholars.org/resource/national-survey-finds-just-1-in-3-americans-would-pass-citizenship-test/

    National Survey Finds Just 1 in 3 Americans Would Pass Citizenship Test
     

    Only 13 percent of those surveyed knew when the U.S. Constitution was ratified, even on a multiple-choice exam similar to the citizenship exam, with most incorrectly thinking it occurred in 1776. More than half of respondents (60 percent) didn’t know which countries the United States fought in World War II. And despite the recent media spotlight on the U.S. Supreme Court, 57 percent of those surveyed did not know how many Justices actually serve on the nation’s highest court.
     

    Seventy-two percent of respondents either incorrectly identified or were unsure of which states were part of the 13 original states;
    Only 24 percent could correctly identify one thing Benjamin Franklin was famous for, with 37 percent believing he invented the lightbulb;
    Only 24 percent knew the correct answer as to why the colonists fought the British;
    Twelve percent incorrectly thought WWII General Dwight Eisenhower led troops in the Civil War; 6 percent thought he was a Vietnam War general; and
    While most knew the cause of the Cold War, 2 percent said climate change.
     

    Despite the enormous struggles to demonstrate a basic understanding of American history, most respondents said U.S. history was an appealing subject during their time in school, with 40 percent noting it was their favorite and another 39 percent saying it was somewhere in the middle of favored courses of study.
     

    Surprisingly, the poll found stark gaps in knowledge depending on age. Those 65 years and older scored the best, with 74 percent answering at least six in 10 questions correctly. For those under the age of 45, only 19 percent passed with the exam, with 81 percent scoring a 59 percent or lower.
     

    On Feb. 15, 2019, Citizens & Scholars released a new survey of 41,000 Americans. The results showed that in the highest-performing state, only 53 percent of the people were able to earn a passing grade for U.S. history. People in every other state failed; in the lowest-performing state, only 27 percent were able to pass.

    Among all 50 states and the District of Columbia, Vermonters were the sole group able to pass the multiple-choice test. Even more disturbing, only 27 percent of those under the age of 45 nationally were able to demonstrate a basic understanding of American history. Nationally, only four in 10 Americans passed the exam.

    The survey found only 15 percent of American adults could correctly note the year the U.S. Constitution was written and only 25 percent knew how many amendments there are to the U.S. Constitution. Further, 25 percent did not know that freedom of speech was guaranteed under the First Amendment, and 57 percent did not know that Woodrow Wilson was the commander in chief during World War I.
     
  166. @Anon
    "Everybody’s not going to need algebra."

    If paying taxes, calculating the price of something when it's on sale, or doubling a recipe is beyond your mental capacity, we have a problem. What exactly are we supposed to do with this large mass of adults who aren't even as intelligent as an average white 8th grader?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @FPD72, @Frau Katze

    It’s worse than that. “Everybody’s not going to need algebra,” is to say that “Nobody’s going to need algebra.” What the “educator” meant to say was “Not everybody’s going to need algebra.”

    I would hate to live in a society in which nobody needed algebra. I’ve read that there are tribes in Africa in which their number system is “1, 2, 3, many.” I’m sure I wouldn’t want to live in such a culture but parts of America are going in that direction.

    Maybe the lack of basic arithmetic skill is contributing to the drug overdose problem; the dealers don’t know how much fentanyl to use when the amount of milk powder is cut in half.

  167. @Harry Baldwin
    I don't recall if this article on the Competence Crisis has been linked here previously:

    https://www.palladiummag.com/2023/06/01/complex-systems-wont-survive-the-competence-crisis/

    Replies: @res

    A search shows it appearing in iSteve (comments or post text) since it was published. Here is a mention from June 20th.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/blacks-vs-hispanics-part-298/#comment-6019674

    In any case, well worth another mention. Especially in this thread. Thanks.

  168. @Wilkey
    @puttheforkdown


    In other words, well made people don’t need school.
     
    Ok. This goes down as the absolute dumbest comment on this and many other threads.

    So, give us an example of a “well made” person who had in education whatsoever?

    Of course intelligent people need education. Pretty much everyone who has ever made any significant contribution to any field of human endeavor has had a plenty of formal education or training. An intelligent mind needs knowledge on which to act, otherwise it’s like an engine without fuel.

    Replies: @anon, @Unintended Consequence, @Reg Cæsar

    Ok. This goes down as the absolute dumbest comment on this and many other threads.

    Well, there was Mr Mason’s recent assumption that Toys for Tots was meant to supply gifts for our underpaid military families. How long did he live in Florida?

  169. Flight Instructor Gets Student Killed!

  170. @Santoculto
    Steeve is angry because IQcracy is in risk but but is exactly because selecting High IQ parrots and Jewish Paidean that we have irrational illibs making laws,

    Replies: @TWS, @ChrisZ, @tyrone, @American Citizen

    This is the natural result of 50 years of affirmative action. Supervisors, managers, directors who simply don’t know the basics of the jobs they hold.

  171. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Reg Cæsar

    One of my oldest friends, who grew up on a farm in Upstate New York, told me that he hated school so much that all he did was goof off. Then he did so well on his Regents Exams that New York gave him a free ride to one of its state colleges.

    Of course he blew that by goofing off his first year of free college and then dropping out.

    After that he worked with me, a high school dropout, on a Forest Service crew in the Rockies.

    Eventually, I earned my degree at the University of Colorado. As I was doing that, my friend decided he was smart enough to get into Cornell, and somehow he did. He got his degree there, but it wasn't free.

    Replies: @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Prester John

    The Regents tests people on subjects learned (English, the sciences, math etc). If your buddy goofed off and aced the Regents his IQ must be at least one SD north of the norm, probably even higher. I goofed off too (I have the Regents test scores to prove it!) but the difference is my IQ is several clicks south of the norm.

    Some people are innately very intelligent. They’ve been dealt four aces. The rest of us have not so we play the hand as best we can, if we choose to play it at all.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Prester John


    If your buddy goofed off and aced the Regents his IQ must be at least one SD north of the norm, probably even higher.
     
    Oh, he is, trust me. So am I, but modesty would normally prevent me from writing this. Since this is the intardnet, I will just go ahead anyway.

    There are probably lots of stories like this, in which capable young people start out stumbling their way into eventually succeeding. I don't know if any of the super nerds have studied this, but I sincerely think it is important -- maybe even important enough that somebody like Steve Sailer should look into it.

    Oh, hey! Orville Fucking Wright solved the problem of flight after NOT going to the Ivy League. (He got sick, you see, and had to stay home and read in Ohio.) History is full of this shit.

    Oh, but that would take a lot more work than reading the New York Times and studying various graphs and tables of publicly-available data!

    "Hoo boy! Nobody gave me credit for "Noticing™" what every simpleton also saw in publicly-available data! Whaaa! I saw a correlation! Give me a medal!

    Puleeze.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Prester John

    Dear Prester John,

    In my other reply, I failed to address your particular life experience! I am very grateful for your comment, and I appreciate your view!

    As you say,


    Some people are innately very intelligent. They’ve been dealt four aces. The rest of us have not so we play the hand as best we can, if we choose to play it at all.
     
    There is not enough attention given here on this blog to...

    The rest of us [who] play the hand as best we can, if we choose to play it at all.
     
    Whenever I read something like what you wrote, I am reminded, brought back, and taken down, to reality.

    God may give some people gifts. I cannot run as fast as Usain Bolt. I can't calculate as well as Johnny von Neumann (nor as well as my wife, who, like Johnny, is a Hungarian mathematician!)

    The rest of us must do our best, as you have! Kudos to you, and thank you for being here!

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  172. @Hail
    @ChrisZ


    “High-IQ Parrots”
     
    What does it mean?

    And what's this about:

    Jewish Paidean
     

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Look up Barbara Lerner Spectre. You know, the lady who said Jews must destroy Europe to save it.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @AndrewR

    Is Barbara Lerner Specter a "High-IQ Parrot" or (more likely) a "Jewish Paidean"?

    Does "paidean" mean "someone who hates White-Christians and instinctually tries to undermine them?"

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @AndrewR

  173. @SafeNow
    Picasso famously said that he had to learn to paint people with two eyes and one nose before he could paint people with one eye and two noses. Back in my day (= way back), my high-school teachers were superb at teaching the two-eyes—one-nose things. They were not rocket scientists, but they did not need to be, to teach in this fashion. The problem we face today is that teachers would not be willing to do this, and certainly, students would never accept it. Smartphones and texting, of course.

    One more thing, as Colombo would say. The result of not learning to think goes far beyond test scores on standardized tests. Rather, the result is spending your existence oblivious to the little ironies and metaphors; the nuances and richness, the factual background, of everyday life. There was a Gene Hackman movie in which someone asks Hackman how he resists a gorgeous, floozy-ish younger woman who could be his if he wanted. Hackman replies, Before we could have a conversation, I would always have to fill her in on everything first.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Reg Cæsar

    Picasso famously said that he had to learn to paint people with two eyes and one nose before he could paint people with one eye and two noses.

    In other words, come up with a gimmick that would awe the critics. Good for him, I guess.

    Great movie quote from Hackman, thanks.

  174. @Houston 1992
    The competency crisis seems to have spread to the Secret Service and shooting straight . Today in DC , agents fired at perps breaking into Bidens granddaughter car — but did not hit them
    Bullets can ricochet and kill innocents … I expect SS bullets to lodge or be slowed down in the body of perps

    Replies: @HammerJack, @anonymous, @Brutusale, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    Wait so now are we allowed to kill thieves or is that only for our betters?

  175. @JimDandy
    @edwhy

    I wonder if the G.E.D. carries more weight than a H.S. diploma now.

    Replies: @res, @JimDandy, @cityview

    The military used to accept a GED as equal to an HS diploma. I always thought the tier thing was a response to complaints from Teachers Unions that kids were dropping out of HS because they knew they didn’t need it to get into the military.

  176. @HammerJack
    https://i.ibb.co/k2G2g6j/Screenshot-20231114-015325-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    All this talk about old-timers. I bet some of you guys can remember when half a trillion was real money!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Harry Baldwin

    I appreciate Marjorie Taylor Greene as the only congress critter “impolite” enough to bring up issues like this and attempt to do something about them. Unfortunately, her effort to have Mayorkas impeached failed.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Harry Baldwin

    I don't know, the senator from Oklahoma was pretty impolite to the twerp who's the head of the Teansters.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/we-can-finish-it-here-us-senator-challenges-teamsters-president-fight-during

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  177. @zoos
    The the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tounged wizards withdrew,
    And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to belive it was true
    That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four---
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more…

    https://youtu.be/h02w5E7FGlY

    Replies: @SFG, @RadicalCenter

    Jordan is an intelligent guy and proffers some useful observations and advice — when he’s not crying or repeating things he doesn’t know much about.

    Big Mo (“Mohammad Hijab”) in early 2023 re: J Peterson’s kowtowing to Netanyahu:

    J Peterson Questioned on “Message to Muslims”:

    As a bonus, a history of Palestine / “israel”, sans J Peterson:

  178. @Bill Jones
    And in St Paul, it's just getting started.

    St. Paul, Minnesota elects first all-female council in city's history

    First Order of Business : St Paula.
    Take a look at this and tell me it's going to go well.

    https://images.axios.com/7CpFMp2moGAPdFd-sKWgmYXrPUs=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2023/11/10/1699629534326.png?w=1920




    https://www.axios.com/2023/11/11/st-paul-all-female-council-minnesota-election-results

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Patrick in SC, @ThreeCranes, @Ganderson, @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Meretricious

    Evidently the one Hmong incumbent got dumped, so the final tally is less representative of the nonwhite population of the city than before, let alone the whole. A St Paul council without a Mick, Kraut, or even Jew? (IIRC, my old ward’s council member was Jewish.)

    So they’ve got two black chicks, one with straightened hair, a Subcontinental with a Germanic surname (marriage? mixed-blood?), an Asian with a Kashmiri or Arabic surname, and a Korean. Koreans are easily the most successful of the many Asian groups in this very Asian city. I doubt her brethren are this far left, though.

    Some were endorsed by this left-wing group:

    https://directory.runforsomething.net/candidates/MN

    They’re active in most states. Anyone familiar with this organization? Is it one of Soros’s? Other headlines from their front page:

    Doc Martens, Bomber Jackets, No Ties: Parsing Gen Z Politicians’ Style
    What Is a Gerontocracy? A Government Ruled by the Elderly
    Battle of the ages: how America’s gerontocracy is a challenge for democracy
    A generation full of fighters: Young progressives are rising up to defend LGBTQ+ equality
    Mississippi Democrat wins primary, set to become the state’s first openly gay lawmaker (he’s black)

    https://runforsomething.net/

    They do have a point about gerontocracy. But, hey, if you don’t want “boomers”, all that’s left is pre-boomers. That is, if you want skill and talent.

  179. @Curle
    @Art Deco

    “Rude people, fat people, and badly groomed people were not.”

    I don’t know when I first started noticing all the fat people but it was well past 1970. I do recall feeling slightly judgmental standing in a cafeteria line and an obese girl purchased an ice cream cone. This was approx 1984. Rude I don’t recall until visiting NYC in the 1980s.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    I could have introduced you to the receptionist at my suburban elementary school, along with all the cafeteria staff bar one if you wanted an example of rude. (The school nurse had her office down the hall from the lunch room. She once broke the fourth wall to me and said the disagreeable part of her job was ‘fights in the kitchen’). No clue how the fat people didn’t register with you, the adolescents with long hair, the young adults with absurd hair cuts and eyewear…

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Art Deco

    Were you living in the Northeast? I wasn’t. That might explain it.

  180. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HunInTheSun

    There is footage from the cockpit of Columbia of one of the pilots telling a female crew person to knock off the chitchat as he attempts to pilot the doomed bird down as system failures were already registering. Admittedly this happened because a white meritocracy became a white bureaucracy. DIE will accelerate what is already failing.

    Replies: @CCG, @Corvinus, @Art Deco

    Here’s the footage, and the female was Kalpana Chawla:

  181. @SafeNow
    Picasso famously said that he had to learn to paint people with two eyes and one nose before he could paint people with one eye and two noses. Back in my day (= way back), my high-school teachers were superb at teaching the two-eyes—one-nose things. They were not rocket scientists, but they did not need to be, to teach in this fashion. The problem we face today is that teachers would not be willing to do this, and certainly, students would never accept it. Smartphones and texting, of course.

    One more thing, as Colombo would say. The result of not learning to think goes far beyond test scores on standardized tests. Rather, the result is spending your existence oblivious to the little ironies and metaphors; the nuances and richness, the factual background, of everyday life. There was a Gene Hackman movie in which someone asks Hackman how he resists a gorgeous, floozy-ish younger woman who could be his if he wanted. Hackman replies, Before we could have a conversation, I would always have to fill her in on everything first.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Reg Cæsar

    Picasso famously said that he had to learn to paint people with two eyes and one nose before he could paint people with one eye and two noses.

    Arnold Schoenberg’s composition texts are surprisingly conservative, like the man himself. (Though the monarchist in him greatly enjoyed living in the California Republic.)

    He didn’t want anyone to mess with the new stuff until he had the old stuff down pat. Good advice. Better advice would have been to abandon the new stuff when it proved unproductive.

    Then again…

    [MORE]

    Then again again…

  182. @Erik L
    @Farenheit

    I blame rock and roll music

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I blame rock and roll music

    The Rev. Jimmie Snow, son of crooner Hank, certainly did:

    “…a contributing factor to our juvenile delinquency today.”

  183. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s clear that as a credential a high school diploma doesn’t really mean anything anymore. In principle, most states have the intention of graduating everybody from high school, no matter what. Secondary schools are for childcare and distribution of free meals. And more and more the credential value of a college degree is weakening.

    It will be interesting to see how employers cope with this and what measures they will be using in the future to determine the competency of potential employees.. They need to figure out some way to measure intelligence, conscientiousness, and conformity. Tech companies have been able to do this via Zoom meetings during which real time programming tests are given and interviews are conducted. Your comportment, dress, and speech can be observed, your intelligence can be indirectly measured via coding tests, and your conscientiousness can be evaluated via how well you put up with numerous interviews over the course of several weeks and your preparation for tests.

  184. @Steve Sailer
    @dux.ie

    What are these, Yiddish-speaking ultra-Orthodox public schools?

    Replies: @dux.ie, @Reg Cæsar

    Queens is* that rare county where blacks outperform whites. Vancouver, BC is* a similar instance. Selection is a factor for both races, but upward for blacks– these are largely immigrants– and downward for whites. And that assumes these are “non-Hispanic” whites. Are they?

    Did you know a child can be born both in Brooklyn and in Queens County at the same time? Unbelievable? Well, Hank Snow was:

    *I use the present tense, but it may have changed. My source for both is the print version of American Renaissance, a couple of decades ago.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar


    Hank Snow was the son of George Snow (1886–1966) [7] and Maude Marie Hatt[7][8] (1889–1953)[7] in the small community of Brooklyn in Queens County, Nova Scotia, Canada. He was born on May 9, 1914.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Snow

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

  185. @anyone with a brain
    @Renard

    Before World War II there weren't many countries making cars, so it is easy to rank as one of the better ones.

    As soon as Japan and Germany and now China have reindustrialised it is easy to see American cars were never good.


    America rose to technological pre-eminence in virtually every other field. In many of which WW2 was actually the catalyst for further advances.
     
    LOL

    America rose because its competitors were nuked, occupied, bankrupt or just plain war torn and robbed of a generation of young men. Plus America took in Nazi scientist with the very real that if non-cooperation meaning being hanged by the triumphant conquerors.

    Like I said Americans were never an intellectual rigorous people.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle, @Renard, @Jack D

    America rose because its competitors
    ==
    Per capita product in this country in 1820 trailed only that in Britain, the Netherlands, and northern Italy. By 1913, we were leading the world. NB. war reconstruction in Europe was complete by 1959. You’re peddling fiction.

    • Agree: Mike Conrad
  186. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk


    ...my friend decided he was smart enough to get into Cornell, and somehow he did. He got his degree there, but it wasn’t free.
     
    Regular Cornell, not the state ag school there? My step-uncle went to the latter, and ended up VP at a major condiment maker. He was pulling down a half-million when he retired, back in the 20th century. Still enjoying it at 90 or so.

    Lore is that (regular) Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get into, but the hardest to get out of-- with a degree, that is. They make you work for it.

    Scott Adams turned down Cornell to attend nearby, much humbler Hartwick. Why, you ask? He didn't want to leave school a virgin four years later! Hartwick had a nursing program. Cornell, while co-ed almost since its inception, was still 3-1 male in the mid-'70s:

    https://brancra.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/cornell_enrollment_1.png

    Next-door Ithaca College, with a major music program, may have helped a little. But nothing like Russell Sage and SUNY Potsdam's balancing of very male RPI and Clarkson, respectively.

    Replies: @Gforce, @Reg Cæsar, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous

    Correction: Adams went off to college in 1975, so the male-female ratio was down to 3:2. But, as the chart shows, that had been a very recent development (no more need for a draft deferment?), and maybe Scott was going by outdated information. Still, there were more girls at Hartwick, and he got to enjoy an NCAA national championship while there.

    Oh, wait… So did Cornell, apparently their last:

    https://cornellbigred.com/sports/2016/5/26/team-national-champions.aspx

  187. @Rooster17
    @Arclight

    This is anecdotal but I notice a difference between the McDonald’s in a mostly White area in my town versus the higher minority area of town. The White kids are more likely to be personable and say have a nice day, where the black servers tend to not talk and just hand you the food, the overall quality is suspect too. I’m guessing this is happening all over the country in varying degrees, in all different industries. Like you said, the younger generation doesn’t even understand how bad it is, probably like my generation doesn’t understand either. I wonder, how much further down to we have to go?

    Replies: @mmack, @Stan Adams

    Download the McDonald’s app and order on your phone. With the app you can get a medium Big Mac or Quarter Pounder combo for $6.49 (plus tax). (The regular price is approaching ten dollars.) The large coffee is only a dollar.

  188. @Muggles

    In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.
     
    Great summary of the problem.

    This is already happening in Europe (due to fake "refugees" and free admittance to legacy colonials) and has already ruined government schools in Comrade run US cities and school districts.

    Of course not all non Whites are useless or incapable of good work. Just the numbers aren't great.

    Lower IQ people need greater outside discipline to maintain standards and to avoid racial/ethnic tribalism in workplaces.

    Post Boomer Americans will reap the rewards of what used to be seen as "liberalism" now run amok as Woke.

    Only in areas of society and economics where objective standards are maintained can competency be maintained. Technical areas of the military (mostly) have done this and other technical areas of the economy continue to reward good work.

    "Soft areas" of society run mainly by women and barely mediocre males will get worse. Robots will put a fol of these out to pasture.

    There are some signs that the long anticipated recession is near. This may also have a cleansing effect as unproductive gabbers and lazies are pushed out. The "lifeboat" effect of discarding the useless eaters will force changes whether or not the Comrades like it.

    Over hyped and hazy concepts (hello WeWork!, etc.) will fold and the cost of investment capital, no longer being zero, will continue to eliminate the unsustainable tech and Green religion sectors.

    Taxation is parasitical to productive endeavors so Bidenomics and "soft socialism" will have to diminish. Since people and capital are mobile, you can't maintain California Dreamin' schemes indefinitely. Like in former Communist nations, people leave Comrade run cities as fast as they can.

    The spate of closures by leftist ideological propaganda organs and outlets is a good sign. Places like Arizona, Texas and Florida will continue to drain the swamp as they attract the productive.

    For many here, being in the Boomer cohort looks better than ever...

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @HammerJack, @AceDeuce, @Peterike

    Only in areas of society and economics where objective standards are maintained can competency be maintained. Technical areas of the military (mostly) have done this

    Nah!

    https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2023/11/08/current-year-us-military-is-hilarious/

  189. “Everybody’s not going to need algebra. Everybody’s not going to need historical dates,” Mr. McCutchen said.

    So, if Aaron Burr hadn’t killed him in a duel, how old would Abraham Lincoln have been when Harriett Tubman invented quantum mechanics?

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • LOL: Curle
    • Replies: @deep anonymous
    @International Jew

    "So, if Aaron Burr hadn’t killed him in a duel, how old would Abraham Lincoln have been when Harriett Tubman invented quantum mechanics?"

    LOL. That wins the funniest comment of the month. I guess if we can't laugh at the idiocy expressed by that educrat, we would cry or scream. Laughter is better.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  190. A competency crisis I’d like to raise is not US education but UK politics.

    In my direct experience, the quality of aspiring political candidates for the UK has never been outstanding. Few people put themselves forward. If chosen they must put in a lot of speculative time before gaining a seat, if they do. The job comes up for a make or break review, largely beyond the candidate’s control at irregular, unplannable intervals. The rewards are few. The salary is not outstanding. The hours are gruelling. Influence, thus bribes, is minimal unless one is chosen for a senior government position. Most people are there to criticize you.

    Those prepared to put up with these prospects may not have had the intellect to think it all through. Typically in the UK, the party HQ attempts to screen at least some candidates. These days, screening tests for loyalty rather than ability in life as most such candidates have been working in politics since they graduated. That said, the central committees do try and screen out scandals and look for electability. Some smaller parties allow candidates to get on to the selection list at local level too. However, the choice is made by the local party. Party members are of course extremists. So they are looking for extreme views on matters of substance. Hence, the less electable local guy gets through the system. Parliament is thus filled with loyal mid (to be generous) wits who are polarizing the system whenever there is an emotionally strong issue like Brexit or for Labour, nationalization.

    Can this crisis of competency be prevented? Highly centralized forms of PR hand decision making concerning candidates to the professionals in the the central committee. Is List based PR an answer? Should MPs salaries be greatly raised. In the UK they are rather modest if successful professionals are to be attracted.

    The US appears to have similar problems, except for the salaries. Senators appear to be paid a lot and have opportunities for influence.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Philip Owen


    The US appears to have similar problems, except for the salaries.
     
    The salaries are a problem. Congress critters make just shy of $200k, which is not a lot of money to both live in DC and maintain a residence in your home state.

    The more significant problem is that the re-election rate of Congress critters is 95+%. Both sides gerrymander districts as much as the courts will allow and so much so that the primary is often the election. Since most primaries are very low turnout elections, it is usually the more extreme candidate that wins.

    Bottom line is that very few true centrists get elected.

    Term limits would help, but SCOTUS struck down state term limit laws 5-4 in the mid 90s. I suspect it would have gone the other way had Robert Bork been on the court.

  191. @Art Deco
    @Curle

    I could have introduced you to the receptionist at my suburban elementary school, along with all the cafeteria staff bar one if you wanted an example of rude. (The school nurse had her office down the hall from the lunch room. She once broke the fourth wall to me and said the disagreeable part of her job was 'fights in the kitchen'). No clue how the fat people didn't register with you, the adolescents with long hair, the young adults with absurd hair cuts and eyewear...

    Replies: @Curle

    Were you living in the Northeast? I wasn’t. That might explain it.

  192. @Travis
    @Art Deco

    The white population has collapsed since 1990 when we had 130 million Whites under the age of 46 and today we have 85 million whites under the age of 46. This is a decline of 33% over the past 33 years.

    we have lost 45 million young whites since 1990. So we are running out of young whites, which is a big reason standards are being lowered and our military is not able to maintain our troop levels, thus they are also lowering the standards for enlisting in the military.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

    we have lost 45 million young whites since 1990.

    That doesn’t include another 30-40 million lost since 1973. There was this court case named, ironically, after eggs.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah but abortion killed relatively more non-whites, so that evens it out. If non-white women couldn't get abortions in tbe lste 20th century this country would be like 20% white.

    An even greater number of whites were lost just because white women chose not to get pregnant in the first place; waiting until their late 20s to have a smaller number of children so they could get their liberal arts degrees.

    Abortion's a small fry. The real cause is anti-natalist hyper-individualistic attitudes that got normalized in the 70s.


    Oh well. I don't even care. I think Asian women look better and I want half-Asian kids anyway.

    Replies: @Blodgie, @Reg Cæsar

  193. @Spangel226
    @Arclight

    You can still see the difference by simply going from a mostly white area to a mostly minority area. The standard of service one gets from pharmacy techs, waiters, repair people etc in more affluent/whiter areas is obviously different than what you get in lower class areas with a lot of blacks and Latinos. My experience is that first generation Latinos are generally reliable workers- they might not be bright, but they make up for it in motivation. But their kids are the ones who can’t pass the regents exam.

    Replies: @Anonymous Jew

    first generation Latinos are generally reliable workers- they might not be bright, but they make up for it in motivation. But their kids are the ones who can’t pass the regents

    Yes, they assimilate down. We bring them in to replace lower class Whites but their kids end up comparable to lower class Whites…so then we need to bring in more Latinos. It’s like the Looney Tunes cartoon where the hotel guest orders a cat to chase out a mouse, ends up with an elephant, and then needs a mouse to chase out the elephant…

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Anonymous Jew


    'Yes, they assimilate down. We bring them in to replace lower class Whites but their kids end up comparable to lower class Whites…so then we need to bring in more Latinos. '
     
    From what I saw in LA, this is actually kinda true. In neighborhoods like Boyle Heights, the Hispanics are usually first- or second-generation types -- they're pretty nice kids, really. Most of them go on to enter the lower middle class and move out to the more respectable neighborhoods of East LA proper and the surrounding communities.

    But the ones who stay in the barrio unto the third and later generations -- watch out. Those are your gang-bangers.

    There's a lot of 'gutter romance' about the poor, mysteriously oppressed Chicano -- I'm thinking of films like La Bamba and Mi Familia and American Me. They're all in East LA, inexorably sucked into gangs and drugs, etc.

    My impression is that that's missing the point. Those are the dregs. The main current is the disoriented Mexican immigrant who scrabbles until he gets a decent job, then buys a dumpy house, has kids, makes them stay out of trouble, and is happy when they become dental hygienists or UPS drivers or whatever.

    On to suburbia and a MacDonald's franchise! It's not very exciting -- but that's really the trajectory.
  194. @Bill Jones
    And in St Paul, it's just getting started.

    St. Paul, Minnesota elects first all-female council in city's history

    First Order of Business : St Paula.
    Take a look at this and tell me it's going to go well.

    https://images.axios.com/7CpFMp2moGAPdFd-sKWgmYXrPUs=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2023/11/10/1699629534326.png?w=1920




    https://www.axios.com/2023/11/11/st-paul-all-female-council-minnesota-election-results

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Patrick in SC, @ThreeCranes, @Ganderson, @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Meretricious

    ‘Take a look at this and tell me it’s going to go well.’

    Well, it could. It could go like one of those group projects in school. Everyone listens to the sensible Chinese girl and gets an ‘A.’

    …my daughter used to get disgusted by that; it was so obvious. Every time the class was broken up into groups, each group got either an Asian, my daughter, or the other smart white kid.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Colin Wright

    It was for the good of the smart three.
    Imagine the cat fight if they were grouped together.

    , @Anonymous
    @Colin Wright

    Yes, this is one of the problems with being a smart kid. You get dragooned by teachers into the role of unpaid teacher's assistant. (The really smart kids of course learn to conceal their smartness.)

  195. OT:

    Ex-CIA boss gets Ukrainian cellphone firm directorship
    Mike Pompeo is taking a seat on the board of the Veon subsidiary Kievstar

    […]
    Pompeo has no telecommunications experience. He was a tank commander during his days in the US Army, ran Thayer Aerospace from 1996 to 2006, and served as a congressman from Kansas from 2011 to 2017, before running the CIA during the early days of Donald Trump’s presidency. He took over the State Department in 2018.

    https://www.rt.com/news/587268-pompeo-veon-board-kievstar/

  196. @Travis
    @Art Deco

    The white population has collapsed since 1990 when we had 130 million Whites under the age of 46 and today we have 85 million whites under the age of 46. This is a decline of 33% over the past 33 years.

    we have lost 45 million young whites since 1990. So we are running out of young whites, which is a big reason standards are being lowered and our military is not able to maintain our troop levels, thus they are also lowering the standards for enlisting in the military.

    Replies: @International Jew, @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

    The military is lowering standards because the civilian unemployment rate is less than 4%, more than 50% of public school students are on free lunch, and the military is coming out of a long period of higher tempo operations.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Guest007

    The School Lunch Program is a relict program which has remained in place even though the share of personal consumption expenditures devoted to meals at home has fallen from 21% (1929) to 8%. For decades, obesity has been inversely correlated with income. There was never adequate justification for enacting a federal program toward this end, bar that the states where malnutrition was most serious were run by legislators who didn't care.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

  197. @22pp22
    @Farenheit

    I went to a garage to pick up my car today, and I looked around and thought: What a bunch of degenerates! One bald old dude had tattoos all over the top fo this head. The other two guys had earrings and one was grossly obese.

    Replies: @Farenheit

    In Northern Cali, that experience would have been a couple of 23 yr old girls at Starbucks…

  198. Isn’t Oregon not requiring proficiency in anything to graduate now?

  199. I hear Former Friends of The US has a vacancy

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Bill Jones

    Is that Manuel Noriega on the left looking down and grinning on the helmeted-up Jewish-Ukrainer V. Zelensky?

    It's true that M. Noriega spent twenty-seven years in various prisons after his falling-out with the USA back there in 1989, and then died (despite the Simpsons' 1996 line that Noriega and George Bush Sr. were "the best of friends now" in the episode where Bush Sr. moved in across the street and began feuding with Homer Simpson).

    But on the plus side, Noriega got a rapper named after him.

    There was a rapper (b.1977, New York) active in the late 1990s to early 2010s who used the name "Noriega," often in collaboration with his friend and fellow-rapper who used the name "Capone." It seems both rap-gentlemen are of Caribbean origin (part Puerto Rican origin for "Noriega"; Haitian origin for "Capone").

    None among Saddam, Bin Laden, or Qaddafi got such an honor as to become stage-name of a chart-topping rapper. It's also very hard for us to imagine any rapper using the name "Zelensky."

    , @Art Deco
    @Bill Jones

    None of the four people depicted were ever friends of the U.S. in any sense.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

  200. @Anon
    "Everybody’s not going to need algebra."

    If paying taxes, calculating the price of something when it's on sale, or doubling a recipe is beyond your mental capacity, we have a problem. What exactly are we supposed to do with this large mass of adults who aren't even as intelligent as an average white 8th grader?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @FPD72, @Frau Katze

    Re: do we need to study algebra?

    If paying taxes, calculating the price of something when it’s on sale, or doubling a recipe is beyond your mental capacity, we have a problem.

    Perhaps I misunderstand your comment, but these items require arithmetic not algebra. We definitely need to instruct the young in arithmetic.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  201. @Colin Wright
    @Bill Jones


    'Take a look at this and tell me it’s going to go well.'
     
    Well, it could. It could go like one of those group projects in school. Everyone listens to the sensible Chinese girl and gets an 'A.'

    ...my daughter used to get disgusted by that; it was so obvious. Every time the class was broken up into groups, each group got either an Asian, my daughter, or the other smart white kid.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Anonymous

    It was for the good of the smart three.
    Imagine the cat fight if they were grouped together.

  202. @Alden
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I was mostly a B student in high school. Mostly because I didn’t then and never believed in homework. Even back in the older days before affirmative action for women, my grades wouldn’t have gotten me into one of the top 5 colleges in the USA.

    But my SATs did.

    Our kids went to Montessori school from preschool up through 6th grade. We picked the preschool b cause we needed daycare. But what was wonderful was Montessori even the ones that go up to 8th grade doesn’t believe in homework.

    Wonderful for our family specially because the boys were born late august. Twins and birthday late in the school year they fell asleep at 7 pm till they were 8 and 7/30 till they were 11 no matter where they were or why was going on. So how are parents who get home at 6/pm going to fit in the homework burden.?

    Massive amounts of homework became the norm for a while because the massive increase in average IQ of 87 Hispanic Indians dragged the achievement achites down so badly. So what was the solution? Hours and hours of homework. Aka put the burden on the parents. Including immigrants with IQs in the 80s who didn’t know Spanish let alone English.

    The days of high test scores for hiring or admission to college ended in 1968. When White men president and vice president lobbied intensively to pass the 1968 affirmative action act. And the 100 White men senate voted for it. So did the Congress. Which had only about 12 minority or women critters in 1968.

    The college administrators and admissions people, being mostly commie Jew liberals rejoiced.




    Look on your state public school curriculum and see how little time is spent on academics. 1 through third grade 20 minutes of 4 subjects. One hour and 20 minutes of academics. 4through 6 30 minutes of 4 subjects. Exactly 2 hours 7 and 8th grades 35 or 40 minutes of 4 subjects exactly 2 hours 20 minutes.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hail

    Thank you, Alden, for your thoughtful reply. I know you get kicked around here a lot, but your comment is very relevant and meaningful.

    I too pretty much got into my university because I tested at the 99th and 98th percentiles on the ACT. (I was advised that they used the ACT out there in my west, so I took it. Frankly, it seemed a lot more relevant to scholastic subjects than the SAT. I had taken the PSAT in high school, so I knew what it looked like — rather simplistic, frankly.)

    Imagine my surprise at gaining entry into my state’s particular flagship university after dropping out of high school and working my way around the country! It meant a lot to me.

    The test was right, of course. I went on to the dean’s list and being an RA and then a career that most people would envy. (I still consider myself a failure, however, because I know in my heart that there was far more potential there.)

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “I went on to . . . being an RA.”

    I can’t even remember the floor RA my freshman year in college. I’m not sure he was even around all that much. I assume he received free room and board for what he did but I could never figure out what that was exactly.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Reg Cæsar

  203. Anon[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Travis


    we have lost 45 million young whites since 1990.
     
    That doesn't include another 30-40 million lost since 1973. There was this court case named, ironically, after eggs.



    https://www.doctorkiltz.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/AdobeStock_24975836-1030x687.jpeg

    Replies: @Anon

    Yeah but abortion killed relatively more non-whites, so that evens it out. If non-white women couldn’t get abortions in tbe lste 20th century this country would be like 20% white.

    An even greater number of whites were lost just because white women chose not to get pregnant in the first place; waiting until their late 20s to have a smaller number of children so they could get their liberal arts degrees.

    Abortion’s a small fry. The real cause is anti-natalist hyper-individualistic attitudes that got normalized in the 70s.

    Oh well. I don’t even care. I think Asian women look better and I want half-Asian kids anyway.

    • Replies: @Blodgie
    @Anon

    Gotta choose your Asian mama carefully.

    Have you looked into the average IQ of places like Vietnam, Laos or the Phillipines?

    So not only will your kids look like bugs, they will likely be dimwits as well.

    Might want to reconsider your tastes.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    If non-white women couldn’t get abortions in tbe lste 20th century this country would be like 20% white.
     
    If that were true, it would have happened before 1973, and it didn't. Black women can say no when they have to. Their bastardy rate was lower in 1960 than whites' is today. Check out the lyrics to Motown's "Love Child":

    Ah, this love we're contemplating
    Is worth the pain of waiting
    We'll only end up hating
    The child we may be creating...


    Ah, don't think that I don't need you
    Don't think I don't wanna please you
    But no child of mine will be bearing
    The name of shame I've been wearing
    Love child...



    https://genius.com/The-supremes-love-child-lyrics

     

    These songs were written in a hurry, week by week. They were built on the "conventional wisdom", tropes current, if weaker, among blacks as well as among whites.

    An even greater number of whites were lost just because white women chose not to get pregnant in the first place...
     
    Elective abortion just feeds this mentality. If pregnancy and motherhood are so horrifying that abandoning your child is preferrable...

    Abortion’s a small fry. The real cause is anti-natalist hyper-individualistic attitudes that got normalized in the 70s.
     
    It's all a "seamless garment". The sexual revolution didn't reward the responsible; it weakened their position vis-à-vis the irresponsible. The Ruth Institute will tell you all you need to know about this.
  204. @Prester John
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The Regents tests people on subjects learned (English, the sciences, math etc). If your buddy goofed off and aced the Regents his IQ must be at least one SD north of the norm, probably even higher. I goofed off too (I have the Regents test scores to prove it!) but the difference is my IQ is several clicks south of the norm.

    Some people are innately very intelligent. They've been dealt four aces. The rest of us have not so we play the hand as best we can, if we choose to play it at all.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Buzz Mohawk

    If your buddy goofed off and aced the Regents his IQ must be at least one SD north of the norm, probably even higher.

    Oh, he is, trust me. So am I, but modesty would normally prevent me from writing this. Since this is the intardnet, I will just go ahead anyway.

    There are probably lots of stories like this, in which capable young people start out stumbling their way into eventually succeeding. I don’t know if any of the super nerds have studied this, but I sincerely think it is important — maybe even important enough that somebody like Steve Sailer should look into it.

    Oh, hey! Orville Fucking Wright solved the problem of flight after NOT going to the Ivy League. (He got sick, you see, and had to stay home and read in Ohio.) History is full of this shit.

    Oh, but that would take a lot more work than reading the New York Times and studying various graphs and tables of publicly-available data!

    “Hoo boy! Nobody gave me credit for “Noticing™” what every simpleton also saw in publicly-available data! Whaaa! I saw a correlation! Give me a medal!

    Puleeze.

    • Agree: Prester John
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Oh, hey! Orville 💄 Wright solved the problem of flight after NOT going to the Ivy League. (He got sick, you see, and had to stay home and read in Ohio.) History is full of this 💩.
     
    Isaac Newton also went home when the 17th-century version of Covid hit Cambridge. And was at least as productive.


    Newton’s “Year of Wonders” During the Great Plague


    Einstein skipped school to examine patents, and had an equally impressive 1905.

  205. @Bill Jones
    And in St Paul, it's just getting started.

    St. Paul, Minnesota elects first all-female council in city's history

    First Order of Business : St Paula.
    Take a look at this and tell me it's going to go well.

    https://images.axios.com/7CpFMp2moGAPdFd-sKWgmYXrPUs=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2023/11/10/1699629534326.png?w=1920




    https://www.axios.com/2023/11/11/st-paul-all-female-council-minnesota-election-results

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Patrick in SC, @ThreeCranes, @Ganderson, @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Meretricious

    You could look back at the entire history of the world at every situation where anyone needed help of any kind. Any situation whatsoever – the ship hit a rock and the sailors are clinging to debris in shark infested waters, a water pipe burst on a freezing morning and the basement is flooding, Timmy fell down the well, the car won’t start, the Iraqi’s set the refinery on fire, the washing machine is broken, you name it. I bet you would not find a single case ever that, when help arrived, those in desperate need breathed a sigh of relief and exclaimed, “Thank God – a black woman!”

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  206. @Dumbo

    it became racist to attribute racial gaps to anything other than Systemic Racism and to suggest any remedies other than jobs and cash handouts for blacks.
     

    In general, the demise of education reform looks like an early phase of the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites.
     

    This is a non-sequitur because the Black population, which everyone in HBDland obsesses about, has remained more or less stable in the US. It's the Latino mestizo population (and other groups such as Asians, Indians, etc) that have mushroomed.

    While the racial replacement (by Latinos, not Blacks) is part of the "crisis of competency", there are other factors as well.

    The main one, I think, it's just social disintegration. No one cares about the institutions, communities, etc because they don't really exist, we don't live in a cohesive, real country anymore.

    It's each group, or not even that, but really just each individual for himself.

    Hard to have a "high trust society" this way, regardless of the "IQ" stuff.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The main one, I think, it’s just social disintegration. No one cares about the institutions, communities, etc because they don’t really exist, we don’t live in a cohesive, real country anymore.”

    This is why I love this fine opinion webzine. Comments like this serve as a reminder that there is small subset of the population who is completely out of touch with reality. Yes, people do care about the institutions and communities, they are part of them through their careers and social lives. And, as evident by the divide between D’s and R’s, it is clear that each side is steadfast in their position to direct the country they love to a particular place.

    My vague impression is that YOUR definition of a “high trust society” is anyone who is 100% committed to the ideology you espouse, and anyone who fails to or chooses to not adhere to it, well, they are other than trustworthy. Pretty shallow if you ask me.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Corvinus

    "Yes, people do care about the institutions and communities"

    Most, but not all.

  207. @Renard
    @dux.ie


    CHRISTA MCAULIFFE
     
    In case someone never heard this one, transport yourself back to 1986. Keep in mind that Christa was one of the first civilian astronauts. It was a very big deal that a school teacher could go up in the space shuttle.

    "OMG! They found the black-box flight recorder from the Challenger, and they now know Christa McAuliffe's final words!"

    "What's this button do?"

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Apologies if this have been posted before but a coupla chicks space walking last week outside the ISS let go their tool bag which can now be seen orbiting the Earth a few hundred feet away. I’d bet this would not have happened if they’d had their cell phones in the bag.

    https://www.space.com/astronauts-international-space-station-tool-bag-visible

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Jim Don Bob

    https://babylonbee.com/news/super-bowl-flyover-featuring-all-female-pilots-running-20-minutes-late/

  208. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HunInTheSun

    There is footage from the cockpit of Columbia of one of the pilots telling a female crew person to knock off the chitchat as he attempts to pilot the doomed bird down as system failures were already registering. Admittedly this happened because a white meritocracy became a white bureaucracy. DIE will accelerate what is already failing.

    Replies: @CCG, @Corvinus, @Art Deco

    “There is footage from the cockpit of Columbia of one of the pilots telling a female crew person to knock off the chitchat as he attempts to pilot the doomed bird down as system failures were already registering.”

    Red herring. This has nothing to do with women botching the doomed mission as you are inferring.

    I take it that you and the mrs, the schoolteacher had an argument, in which you lost, and as a result are taking cheap shots at women in the professional classes.

    It’s really spectacular to see your own free fall in real time. Your commentary is getting more and more desperate. But I suppose the stress of having a daughter who has a mixed child puts you on edge.

  209. @Prester John
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The Regents tests people on subjects learned (English, the sciences, math etc). If your buddy goofed off and aced the Regents his IQ must be at least one SD north of the norm, probably even higher. I goofed off too (I have the Regents test scores to prove it!) but the difference is my IQ is several clicks south of the norm.

    Some people are innately very intelligent. They've been dealt four aces. The rest of us have not so we play the hand as best we can, if we choose to play it at all.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Buzz Mohawk

    Dear Prester John,

    In my other reply, I failed to address your particular life experience! I am very grateful for your comment, and I appreciate your view!

    As you say,

    Some people are innately very intelligent. They’ve been dealt four aces. The rest of us have not so we play the hand as best we can, if we choose to play it at all.

    There is not enough attention given here on this blog to…

    The rest of us [who] play the hand as best we can, if we choose to play it at all.

    Whenever I read something like what you wrote, I am reminded, brought back, and taken down, to reality.

    God may give some people gifts. I cannot run as fast as Usain Bolt. I can’t calculate as well as Johnny von Neumann (nor as well as my wife, who, like Johnny, is a Hungarian mathematician!)

    The rest of us must do our best, as you have! Kudos to you, and thank you for being here!

    • Thanks: Prester John
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Buzz Mohawk

    There's a fair amount of evidence that IQ's over 3 SD's up cease being much of an advantage.

  210. @prime noticer
    "the coming Competency Crisis as America starts to run out of whites."

    Sports Illustrated: Cameras Caught Steelers’ Mike Tomlin Cursing Out Refs While Asking Them a Simple Question
    https://imgur.com/a/QWtSl34
    Tomlin baffled by call and accosts vibrant lady official about what the heck they are doing out there.

    the results of making NFL officials full time employees. a process started in 2013 and into effect by 2017. very quickly, those jobs became like government jobs, and are being steadily filled by government job type people. but here, 'good enough for government work' does not cut it. it took only 5 years before half of the game crews were looking like the DMV employees. except NFL pays 6 figures.

    imagine being paid over $100,000 a year to be terrible at your job, far worse than the people you replaced, and if anybody complains, your employer fines THEM, not you.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “imagine being paid over $100,000 a year to be terrible at your job”

    You would know. On a different note…

    https://operations.nfl.com/officiating/nfl-officials-preparing-for-success/

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Corvinus

    Stupid! Is that the best you can do? You're as bad as the typical Unz Nazi.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  211. @Philip Owen
    A competency crisis I'd like to raise is not US education but UK politics.

    In my direct experience, the quality of aspiring political candidates for the UK has never been outstanding. Few people put themselves forward. If chosen they must put in a lot of speculative time before gaining a seat, if they do. The job comes up for a make or break review, largely beyond the candidate's control at irregular, unplannable intervals. The rewards are few. The salary is not outstanding. The hours are gruelling. Influence, thus bribes, is minimal unless one is chosen for a senior government position. Most people are there to criticize you.

    Those prepared to put up with these prospects may not have had the intellect to think it all through. Typically in the UK, the party HQ attempts to screen at least some candidates. These days, screening tests for loyalty rather than ability in life as most such candidates have been working in politics since they graduated. That said, the central committees do try and screen out scandals and look for electability. Some smaller parties allow candidates to get on to the selection list at local level too. However, the choice is made by the local party. Party members are of course extremists. So they are looking for extreme views on matters of substance. Hence, the less electable local guy gets through the system. Parliament is thus filled with loyal mid (to be generous) wits who are polarizing the system whenever there is an emotionally strong issue like Brexit or for Labour, nationalization.

    Can this crisis of competency be prevented? Highly centralized forms of PR hand decision making concerning candidates to the professionals in the the central committee. Is List based PR an answer? Should MPs salaries be greatly raised. In the UK they are rather modest if successful professionals are to be attracted.

    The US appears to have similar problems, except for the salaries. Senators appear to be paid a lot and have opportunities for influence.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    The US appears to have similar problems, except for the salaries.

    The salaries are a problem. Congress critters make just shy of $200k, which is not a lot of money to both live in DC and maintain a residence in your home state.

    The more significant problem is that the re-election rate of Congress critters is 95+%. Both sides gerrymander districts as much as the courts will allow and so much so that the primary is often the election. Since most primaries are very low turnout elections, it is usually the more extreme candidate that wins.

    Bottom line is that very few true centrists get elected.

    Term limits would help, but SCOTUS struck down state term limit laws 5-4 in the mid 90s. I suspect it would have gone the other way had Robert Bork been on the court.

    • Thanks: Philip Owen
  212. @Harry Baldwin
    @HammerJack

    I appreciate Marjorie Taylor Greene as the only congress critter "impolite" enough to bring up issues like this and attempt to do something about them. Unfortunately, her effort to have Mayorkas impeached failed.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    I don’t know, the senator from Oklahoma was pretty impolite to the twerp who’s the head of the Teansters.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/we-can-finish-it-here-us-senator-challenges-teamsters-president-fight-during

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Brutusale

    As a teamster without any real love for them, Sean O'Brien is a lot of things, but a twerp isn't one of them.

    He's actually more of an old school "hands on," IYKWIM, kind of president.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  213. @AndrewR
    @Hail

    Look up Barbara Lerner Spectre. You know, the lady who said Jews must destroy Europe to save it.

    Replies: @Hail

    Is Barbara Lerner Specter a “High-IQ Parrot” or (more likely) a “Jewish Paidean”?

    Does “paidean” mean “someone who hates White-Christians and instinctually tries to undermine them?”

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Hail


    Does “paidean” mean “someone who hates White-Christians and instinctually tries to undermine them?”
     
    As best as I can tell, it means someone paid by the Jews.
    , @AndrewR
    @Hail

    See you failed the assignment lol

  214. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @HunInTheSun

    There is footage from the cockpit of Columbia of one of the pilots telling a female crew person to knock off the chitchat as he attempts to pilot the doomed bird down as system failures were already registering. Admittedly this happened because a white meritocracy became a white bureaucracy. DIE will accelerate what is already failing.

    Replies: @CCG, @Corvinus, @Art Deco

    Admittedly this happened because a white meritocracy became a white bureaucracy. DIE will accelerate what is already failing.
    ==
    Complicated technology fails now and again, as it did in 1967 and 1986.

  215. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Alden

    Thank you, Alden, for your thoughtful reply. I know you get kicked around here a lot, but your comment is very relevant and meaningful.

    I too pretty much got into my university because I tested at the 99th and 98th percentiles on the ACT. (I was advised that they used the ACT out there in my west, so I took it. Frankly, it seemed a lot more relevant to scholastic subjects than the SAT. I had taken the PSAT in high school, so I knew what it looked like -- rather simplistic, frankly.)

    Imagine my surprise at gaining entry into my state's particular flagship university after dropping out of high school and working my way around the country! It meant a lot to me.

    The test was right, of course. I went on to the dean's list and being an RA and then a career that most people would envy. (I still consider myself a failure, however, because I know in my heart that there was far more potential there.)

    Replies: @Curle

    “I went on to . . . being an RA.”

    I can’t even remember the floor RA my freshman year in college. I’m not sure he was even around all that much. I assume he received free room and board for what he did but I could never figure out what that was exactly.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Curle

    I can remember him, but otherwise my experience was the same.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Curle

    I remember my RA in the '80s only for a strange reason-- both his first and his last name had been "hot" choices for parents naming their daughters in the previous decade. I had an urge to tell him "You sound like two little girls!"


    Both names peaked for boys around the same time. But the girls made the top 40, one the top 20, while the boys struggled to make the top 200. Both names have dropped out of the top 1,000 for both sexes by now. That's what happens with fads.

    At an elementary school assembly recently, I noticed a Roger and a Patricia. It felt for a moment that I was back in school. Those names peaked in 1945 and 1952, respectively. Roger was #749 last year, maybe in the 500s when this kid was born. Patricia dropped out of the top 1,000 in 2020. In the last decade, it has fallen below Martha, from which it hijacked the nickname Patty. (As any Jefferson scholar could tell you.)

    Replies: @mmack

  216. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Prester John


    If your buddy goofed off and aced the Regents his IQ must be at least one SD north of the norm, probably even higher.
     
    Oh, he is, trust me. So am I, but modesty would normally prevent me from writing this. Since this is the intardnet, I will just go ahead anyway.

    There are probably lots of stories like this, in which capable young people start out stumbling their way into eventually succeeding. I don't know if any of the super nerds have studied this, but I sincerely think it is important -- maybe even important enough that somebody like Steve Sailer should look into it.

    Oh, hey! Orville Fucking Wright solved the problem of flight after NOT going to the Ivy League. (He got sick, you see, and had to stay home and read in Ohio.) History is full of this shit.

    Oh, but that would take a lot more work than reading the New York Times and studying various graphs and tables of publicly-available data!

    "Hoo boy! Nobody gave me credit for "Noticing™" what every simpleton also saw in publicly-available data! Whaaa! I saw a correlation! Give me a medal!

    Puleeze.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Oh, hey! Orville 💄 Wright solved the problem of flight after NOT going to the Ivy League. (He got sick, you see, and had to stay home and read in Ohio.) History is full of this 💩.

    Isaac Newton also went home when the 17th-century version of Covid hit Cambridge. And was at least as productive.

    Newton’s “Year of Wonders” During the Great Plague

    Einstein skipped school to examine patents, and had an equally impressive 1905.

  217. @anyone with a brain
    @Renard

    Before World War II there weren't many countries making cars, so it is easy to rank as one of the better ones.

    As soon as Japan and Germany and now China have reindustrialised it is easy to see American cars were never good.


    America rose to technological pre-eminence in virtually every other field. In many of which WW2 was actually the catalyst for further advances.
     
    LOL

    America rose because its competitors were nuked, occupied, bankrupt or just plain war torn and robbed of a generation of young men. Plus America took in Nazi scientist with the very real that if non-cooperation meaning being hanged by the triumphant conquerors.

    Like I said Americans were never an intellectual rigorous people.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle, @Renard, @Jack D

    “Like I said Americans were never an intellectual rigorous people.”

    I obviously don’t know how old your grandfather is or would be but I wonder if you ever saw one of his HS exams? I’ve seen one of my grandfather’s, right before he went overseas to fight in France during WW1. The history questions alone would exceed most colleges today. Teenagers of that day, in a southern state no less, were required to pass classes that tested for all kinds of Roman and ancient history. Today you’d be lucky if they could identify the Pilgrims.

  218. @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    Back in the 1970’s the federal government made money available that would have funded most of the cost of the Second Avenue Subway. All that the city had to do in order to get the federal funds was throw in a much smaller amount of its own money, and it had already earmarked the necessary funds.

    Unfortunately, subway fare revenues were falling short and a 5-cent fare increase looked inevitable. Fearful of the political fallout that raising the fare would produce, in a morally dubious but technically legal maneuver Mayor Abraham Beame skimmed off the earmarked Second Avenue funds to stave off the fare increase. As a result of the so-called Beame Shuffle the federal government withdrew its funds and Second Avenue never got built. And soon enough the subway fare ended up increasing.

    Another example of Typical New York Incompetence, though not a government project, is the enormous Episcopal Cathedral of St. John the Divine, still far from completion even though construction started way back in 1892. Given the ongoing implosion of the Episcopal Church it's a safe bet that the Cathedral will never be finished. Fun fact: the congregation that actually worships at the Cathedral, which has a seating capacity far into the thousands, has fewer than 200 members

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @G. Poulin, @AnotherDad

    Given the ongoing implosion of the Episcopal Church it’s a safe bet that the Cathedral will never be finished. Fun fact: the congregation that actually worships at the Cathedral, which has a seating capacity far into the thousands, has fewer than 200 members

    These 200 are too conservative. Since they already fly the fag flag out front, they should just go ahead and turn it into a homo bathhouse right now. “Embrace the future.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    Since they already fly the fag flag out front, they should just go ahead and turn it into a homo bathhouse right now. “Embrace the future.”
     
    Fira Bensto already does:


    Zoöphilia Is Morally Permissible



    https://twitter.com/EdWhelanEPPC/status/1722591908348735752



    Michael Cook has read the whole thing, and summarizes it for you:

    My point is that this article, this reeking bin of intellectual garbage, this stercoraceous heap of idiocy, is logical, perfectly logical -- once you accept its initial premise.




    The ultimate taboo of zoöphilia should not be stigmatized, says ethicist
     
    TigerDroppings agrees (I think), and has found the appropriate cartoon:




    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-d_psQa8AAvGXE?format=png&name=large

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @MEH 0910

  219. @International Jew
    @anyone with a brain

    What do you have against South Carolina?

    Replies: @Flip

    Warmongers Lindsey Graham and Nikki Haley.

  220. @AnotherDad

    Some research shows the Regents requirement in particular may have done little to improve outcomes. Instead, it may have led more low-income and Black students to drop out.
     
    I think standardized testing is great.

    Bias -- I've done well on them my whole life.

    Ideology -- I think they are the key to tracking, making the most of people's talents, and having an open meritocrat society with high social mobility and national cohesiveness.


    But I'm not for a single pass/fail standard. And I do think it is desirable to have high school diplomas for dumb who dutifully "show up" and don't cause trouble, do the work but are simply too stupid to pass NY Regents level exams in several core subjects.

    Rather what American needs are competency tests. Where a kid--or adult--can demonstrate their competency in a range of subjects and skills and present those scores to an employer.

    This can keep HS kids motivated--give them an active goal toward career and adult life, even if they generally think HS is b.s. And be a work around for smart kids to study on their own and skip college--time, indoctrination and expense.

    We need more testing--with explicit, employer useable, granular scoring--not less.

    Replies: @mc23

    My sister runs a multimillion business. Now when hiring she said she increasing relies upon certifications in specific skills in addition to degrees. People will find other other means to gauge competency when legacy measures become devalued.

    It will be interesting to see the ripple effects from colleges to automated resume screening. I’ve noticed it seems to take more bodies to perform a given amount of work. I put this down to the natural tendency of organizations to multiply subordinates but in the future it may be the results of organizations trying to comply with social mandates of diversity.

    In the end the existential question is- from whence the Power Ships?
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-23/south-africa-inquires-about-rapid-deployment-of-power-ships#xj4y7vzkg

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @mc23


    My sister runs a multimillion business.
     
    What does she sell? It would be good to know what kinds of certifications could pay dividends.
  221. @rebel yell

    “Everybody’s not going to need algebra. Everybody’s not going to need historical dates,” Mr. McCutchen said. “But they will need to know how to problem solve and ask questions.”
     
    You learn to problem solve and ask questions by first immersing yourself in facts, such as memorizing historical dates, working many algebra problems, memorizing spelling lists, memorizing poems or the preamble to the Constitution.
    You want to be spontaneous and creative on game day? Practice your drills during the week.
    You want to problem solve and have an original insight? Do a lot of rote homework.
    People who have mastered an art or science, or at least studied one enough to appreciate the craft, know that practice, drills, and rote work are essential.
    Modern educators are idiots.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Twinkie, @Hibernian, @Emil Nikola Richard

    There’s a reason computers have both processing and memory capability; and thumbing through a book at test time, if its made open book, won’t cut it.

  222. @AnotherDad
    @prosa123


    Given the ongoing implosion of the Episcopal Church it’s a safe bet that the Cathedral will never be finished. Fun fact: the congregation that actually worships at the Cathedral, which has a seating capacity far into the thousands, has fewer than 200 members
     
    These 200 are too conservative. Since they already fly the fag flag out front, they should just go ahead and turn it into a homo bathhouse right now. "Embrace the future."

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Since they already fly the fag flag out front, they should just go ahead and turn it into a homo bathhouse right now. “Embrace the future.”

    Fira Bensto already does:

    Zoöphilia Is Morally Permissible

    Michael Cook has read the whole thing, and summarizes it for you:

    My point is that this article, this reeking bin of intellectual garbage, this stercoraceous heap of idiocy, is logical, perfectly logical — once you accept its initial premise.

    The ultimate taboo of zoöphilia should not be stigmatized, says ethicist

    TigerDroppings agrees (I think), and has found the appropriate cartoon:

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Reg Cæsar

    Here's my effort. You might find it a bit risqué.



    https://i.ibb.co/87ZnBfv/dolphin1.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/ft8FjXg/dolphin2.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/pRZB4cJ/dolphin3.png

    https://i.ibb.co/9Tv0mK5/dolphin4.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/3fGXTb4/dolphin5.jpg

    , @MEH 0910
    @Reg Cæsar


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-d_psQa8AAvGXE?format=png&name=large
     
    For it it show, change to:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-d_psQa8AAvGXE.png
     


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-d_psQa8AAvGXE.png
  223. @bomag
    @Mr. Blank

    Hasn't most of human existence been the "Elysium" model? I.E. you carve out a village of 150 people or so; defend it, and hope no one takes what you've got.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Hasn’t most of human existence been the “Elysium” model?

    There have been other models:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/ancient-dna-and-the-popularity-of-bronze-age-pervert/

  224. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    Queens is* that rare county where blacks outperform whites. Vancouver, BC is* a similar instance. Selection is a factor for both races, but upward for blacks-- these are largely immigrants-- and downward for whites. And that assumes these are "non-Hispanic" whites. Are they?

    Did you know a child can be born both in Brooklyn and in Queens County at the same time? Unbelievable? Well, Hank Snow was:



    https://youtu.be/qtJz_Wm-gG0?si=tm-G3KmIfZ2KIHk5



    *I use the present tense, but it may have changed. My source for both is the print version of American Renaissance, a couple of decades ago.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Hank Snow was the son of George Snow (1886–1966) [7] and Maude Marie Hatt[7][8] (1889–1953)[7] in the small community of Brooklyn in Queens County, Nova Scotia, Canada. He was born on May 9, 1914.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Snow

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Hibernian

    I was reminded of this:


    The term gained further currency with “I’m Movin’ On,” a popular song of 1950 by Hank Snow that aired on the Armed Services Radio Network. Some soldier—it is not remembered who—changed the words to commemorate a major U.S. retreat.

    It was supposedly first sung by black soldiers of the 24th Infantry Regiment, and one line went, “When them Chinese mortars begin to thud, the old Deuce-Four begin to bug.” There were numerous other versions of the song, but many had the refrain, “We’re buggin’ out, We’re movin’ on.” It was renamed “Bugout Boogie” and officially forbidden but nevertheless became the unofficial anthem of the Korean conflict. From it also came the expression to pull a Hank Snow, meaning to bug out.
     
    https://www.historynet.com/fighting-words-from-the-world-wars-to-korea/

    The lyrics are here:
    "Bug Out Boogie"
    https://turkeythicket.blogspot.com/2019/02/bug-out-boogie.html

    The version I remember my father singing had it as "playin' burp gun boogie on the last guy's ass" but there are multiple versions.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  225. @Curle
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “I went on to . . . being an RA.”

    I can’t even remember the floor RA my freshman year in college. I’m not sure he was even around all that much. I assume he received free room and board for what he did but I could never figure out what that was exactly.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Reg Cæsar

    I can remember him, but otherwise my experience was the same.

  226. Unsurprisingly the finnish school system is nowadays shit. However, part of the problem was that back in the day was that because it was seems to be the best to make it even better. So the goverment contacted all kinds of “experts” from the universities department of eductations to make it more better. So it became more inclusive, no class rooms everyone in the same big hall etc. And the globohomo politicians clapped their hands. The school is still “inclusive”. Meaning there are no special classes for juvenile criminals.

  227. @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    Since they already fly the fag flag out front, they should just go ahead and turn it into a homo bathhouse right now. “Embrace the future.”
     
    Fira Bensto already does:


    Zoöphilia Is Morally Permissible



    https://twitter.com/EdWhelanEPPC/status/1722591908348735752



    Michael Cook has read the whole thing, and summarizes it for you:

    My point is that this article, this reeking bin of intellectual garbage, this stercoraceous heap of idiocy, is logical, perfectly logical -- once you accept its initial premise.




    The ultimate taboo of zoöphilia should not be stigmatized, says ethicist
     
    TigerDroppings agrees (I think), and has found the appropriate cartoon:




    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-d_psQa8AAvGXE?format=png&name=large

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @MEH 0910

    Here’s my effort. You might find it a bit risqué.

    [MORE]

  228. @Brutusale
    @Harry Baldwin

    I don't know, the senator from Oklahoma was pretty impolite to the twerp who's the head of the Teansters.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/we-can-finish-it-here-us-senator-challenges-teamsters-president-fight-during

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    As a teamster without any real love for them, Sean O’Brien is a lot of things, but a twerp isn’t one of them.

    He’s actually more of an old school “hands on,” IYKWIM, kind of president.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Mike Tre

    Then he should answer the bell. He started it with the tweet. He'll have a chance to show that he's not just a keyboard warrior...for charity, no less!

    Senators brawling with tribunes in the arena, a very apt piece for our late-empire period.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  229. @anyone with a brain
    @Renard

    Before World War II there weren't many countries making cars, so it is easy to rank as one of the better ones.

    As soon as Japan and Germany and now China have reindustrialised it is easy to see American cars were never good.


    America rose to technological pre-eminence in virtually every other field. In many of which WW2 was actually the catalyst for further advances.
     
    LOL

    America rose because its competitors were nuked, occupied, bankrupt or just plain war torn and robbed of a generation of young men. Plus America took in Nazi scientist with the very real that if non-cooperation meaning being hanged by the triumphant conquerors.

    Like I said Americans were never an intellectual rigorous people.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle, @Renard, @Jack D

    Before World War II there weren’t many countries making cars, so it is easy to rank as one of the better ones.

    Bugatti, Bentley, Hispano-Suiza, Maserati, Mercedes-Benz, Horch, Daimler, Delahaye, etc etc etc.

    As soon as Japan and Germany and now China have reindustrialised it is easy to see American cars were never good.

    You have contradicted yourself.

    America rose because its competitors were nuked, occupied, bankrupt or just plain war torn and robbed of a generation of young men. Plus America took in Nazi scientist with the very real that if non-cooperation meaning being hanged by the triumphant conquerors.

    As I stated (and A.D. documented) America’s rise to pre-eminence predated WW2.

    Like I said Americans were never an intellectual rigorous people.

    Your trolling lacks skill, and knowledge.

  230. @rebel yell

    “Everybody’s not going to need algebra. Everybody’s not going to need historical dates,” Mr. McCutchen said. “But they will need to know how to problem solve and ask questions.”
     
    You learn to problem solve and ask questions by first immersing yourself in facts, such as memorizing historical dates, working many algebra problems, memorizing spelling lists, memorizing poems or the preamble to the Constitution.
    You want to be spontaneous and creative on game day? Practice your drills during the week.
    You want to problem solve and have an original insight? Do a lot of rote homework.
    People who have mastered an art or science, or at least studied one enough to appreciate the craft, know that practice, drills, and rote work are essential.
    Modern educators are idiots.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Twinkie, @Hibernian, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I knew this was going to happen the first time I saw my ex-girlfriend’s cursive penmanship. She went to a tier one research university. Not Ivy League; Big 10.

  231. @Hail
    @AndrewR

    Is Barbara Lerner Specter a "High-IQ Parrot" or (more likely) a "Jewish Paidean"?

    Does "paidean" mean "someone who hates White-Christians and instinctually tries to undermine them?"

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @AndrewR

    Does “paidean” mean “someone who hates White-Christians and instinctually tries to undermine them?”

    As best as I can tell, it means someone paid by the Jews.

  232. @mc23
    @AnotherDad

    My sister runs a multimillion business. Now when hiring she said she increasing relies upon certifications in specific skills in addition to degrees. People will find other other means to gauge competency when legacy measures become devalued.


    It will be interesting to see the ripple effects from colleges to automated resume screening. I've noticed it seems to take more bodies to perform a given amount of work. I put this down to the natural tendency of organizations to multiply subordinates but in the future it may be the results of organizations trying to comply with social mandates of diversity.

    In the end the existential question is- from whence the Power Ships?
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-23/south-africa-inquires-about-rapid-deployment-of-power-ships#xj4y7vzkg

    Replies: @Anonymous

    My sister runs a multimillion business.

    What does she sell? It would be good to know what kinds of certifications could pay dividends.

  233. @Houston 1992
    The competency crisis seems to have spread to the Secret Service and shooting straight . Today in DC , agents fired at perps breaking into Bidens granddaughter car — but did not hit them
    Bullets can ricochet and kill innocents … I expect SS bullets to lodge or be slowed down in the body of perps

    Replies: @HammerJack, @anonymous, @Brutusale, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    So, I.Q. is super-important, obviously, but is the scope getting a little too narrow lately, in terms of existential threats? If America’s ghettos were occupied only by Nepalese, how bad would inner-city crime be?

  234. @International Jew

    “Everybody’s not going to need algebra. Everybody’s not going to need historical dates,” Mr. McCutchen said.
     
    So, if Aaron Burr hadn't killed him in a duel, how old would Abraham Lincoln have been when Harriett Tubman invented quantum mechanics?

    Replies: @deep anonymous

    “So, if Aaron Burr hadn’t killed him in a duel, how old would Abraham Lincoln have been when Harriett Tubman invented quantum mechanics?”

    LOL. That wins the funniest comment of the month. I guess if we can’t laugh at the idiocy expressed by that educrat, we would cry or scream. Laughter is better.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @deep anonymous


    ...when Harriett Tubman invented quantum mechanics?
     
    I thought that was taught the Pilgrims at Plymouth. But, no, I'm thinking of squantum mechanics:


    https://i.cbc.ca/1.5808203.1605804910!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_780/2887077.jpg

    Replies: @Dmon, @HammerJack

  235. @Curle
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “I went on to . . . being an RA.”

    I can’t even remember the floor RA my freshman year in college. I’m not sure he was even around all that much. I assume he received free room and board for what he did but I could never figure out what that was exactly.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Reg Cæsar

    I remember my RA in the ’80s only for a strange reason– both his first and his last name had been “hot” choices for parents naming their daughters in the previous decade. I had an urge to tell him “You sound like two little girls!”

    Both names peaked for boys around the same time. But the girls made the top 40, one the top 20, while the boys struggled to make the top 200. Both names have dropped out of the top 1,000 for both sexes by now. That’s what happens with fads.

    At an elementary school assembly recently, I noticed a Roger and a Patricia. It felt for a moment that I was back in school. Those names peaked in 1945 and 1952, respectively. Roger was #749 last year, maybe in the 500s when this kid was born. Patricia dropped out of the top 1,000 in 2020. In the last decade, it has fallen below Martha, from which it hijacked the nickname Patty. (As any Jefferson scholar could tell you.)

    • Replies: @mmack
    @Reg Cæsar

    I remember my RA in the ’80s only for a strange reason– both his first and his last name had been “hot” choices for parents naming their daughters in the previous decade.

    His name was Jennifer Sarah? Odd name for a dude, kind of has “A Boy Named Sue” vibes. To each their own.

  236. @deep anonymous
    @International Jew

    "So, if Aaron Burr hadn’t killed him in a duel, how old would Abraham Lincoln have been when Harriett Tubman invented quantum mechanics?"

    LOL. That wins the funniest comment of the month. I guess if we can't laugh at the idiocy expressed by that educrat, we would cry or scream. Laughter is better.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …when Harriett Tubman invented quantum mechanics?

    I thought that was taught the Pilgrims at Plymouth. But, no, I’m thinking of squantum mechanics:

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't see anything that looks like a Plymouth.
    https://0.cdn.autotraderspecialty.com/Car-101061606-a2bdcb72ee1b66f1cd4225b4f00e152d.jpg

    Replies: @HammerJack, @mmack

    , @HammerJack
    @Reg Cæsar

    Ruby slippers, Samoset?

  237. @Bill Jones
    I hear Former Friends of The US has a vacancy


    https://sonar21.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/image-40.png

    Replies: @Hail, @Art Deco

    Is that Manuel Noriega on the left looking down and grinning on the helmeted-up Jewish-Ukrainer V. Zelensky?

    It’s true that M. Noriega spent twenty-seven years in various prisons after his falling-out with the USA back there in 1989, and then died (despite the Simpsons’ 1996 line that Noriega and George Bush Sr. were “the best of friends now” in the episode where Bush Sr. moved in across the street and began feuding with Homer Simpson).

    But on the plus side, Noriega got a rapper named after him.

    There was a rapper (b.1977, New York) active in the late 1990s to early 2010s who used the name “Noriega,” often in collaboration with his friend and fellow-rapper who used the name “Capone.” It seems both rap-gentlemen are of Caribbean origin (part Puerto Rican origin for “Noriega”; Haitian origin for “Capone”).

    None among Saddam, Bin Laden, or Qaddafi got such an honor as to become stage-name of a chart-topping rapper. It’s also very hard for us to imagine any rapper using the name “Zelensky.”

  238. @Reg Cæsar
    @deep anonymous


    ...when Harriett Tubman invented quantum mechanics?
     
    I thought that was taught the Pilgrims at Plymouth. But, no, I'm thinking of squantum mechanics:


    https://i.cbc.ca/1.5808203.1605804910!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_780/2887077.jpg

    Replies: @Dmon, @HammerJack

    I don’t see anything that looks like a Plymouth.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Dmon

    That's not a Plymouth, sonny!

    https://cdn2.mecum.com/auctions/bb0213/bb0213-146934/images/bb0213-146934_1.jpg?1361312177000

    That's a Plymouth!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @mmack
    @Dmon

    Done and Dust(er)ed 👍🏻

    A Valiant effort for a joke. Let’s hope Reg doesn’t spam you in his Fury.

    Replies: @Dmon

  239. @Alden
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I was mostly a B student in high school. Mostly because I didn’t then and never believed in homework. Even back in the older days before affirmative action for women, my grades wouldn’t have gotten me into one of the top 5 colleges in the USA.

    But my SATs did.

    Our kids went to Montessori school from preschool up through 6th grade. We picked the preschool b cause we needed daycare. But what was wonderful was Montessori even the ones that go up to 8th grade doesn’t believe in homework.

    Wonderful for our family specially because the boys were born late august. Twins and birthday late in the school year they fell asleep at 7 pm till they were 8 and 7/30 till they were 11 no matter where they were or why was going on. So how are parents who get home at 6/pm going to fit in the homework burden.?

    Massive amounts of homework became the norm for a while because the massive increase in average IQ of 87 Hispanic Indians dragged the achievement achites down so badly. So what was the solution? Hours and hours of homework. Aka put the burden on the parents. Including immigrants with IQs in the 80s who didn’t know Spanish let alone English.

    The days of high test scores for hiring or admission to college ended in 1968. When White men president and vice president lobbied intensively to pass the 1968 affirmative action act. And the 100 White men senate voted for it. So did the Congress. Which had only about 12 minority or women critters in 1968.

    The college administrators and admissions people, being mostly commie Jew liberals rejoiced.




    Look on your state public school curriculum and see how little time is spent on academics. 1 through third grade 20 minutes of 4 subjects. One hour and 20 minutes of academics. 4through 6 30 minutes of 4 subjects. Exactly 2 hours 7 and 8th grades 35 or 40 minutes of 4 subjects exactly 2 hours 20 minutes.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Hail

    Our kids went to Montessori school from preschool up through 6th grade.

    I believe it is usual for Montessori to be equated with “pre-K.” What does Montessori involve up to 6th grade?

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Hail

    I wonder what effect Montessori would have on the huge Asian - White test-score gap.

    The gap began emerging in the early-2000s a nd had became enormous by the mid-2010s. It is obviously (to me) a product of Asian test-prep culture, with some more-outright cheating on the margins. (I note that the traditional White-Western view is that any aggressive "test-prep" at all, for a test such as the SAT/ACT, is puzzling and vaguely considered akin to cheating.)

    According to Unsilenced Science's latest chart, the "Asian > White SAT-score gap" is now as large as the White vs. Hispanic SAT-score gap (which is approximately steady over decades).

    https://hailtoyou.files.wordpress.com/2023/11/unsilenced-science-sat-scores-by-race-to-2023.jpeg

    By some point in the 2010s, the Asian>White gap became ridiculously large, to the point of absurdity, obviously artificially large, and not getting at the point of what these tests are supposed to be about. A rule-of-thumb in intercultural relations is that "Asians don't do Western fair-play." (Alden has written about this on these pages many times.)

    Outside of people like Steve Sailer, few talk about this phenomenon, or its causes or implications. A sub-set even of the commenters here are in tacitly favor of Elite Displacement by Asians, or "not against it enough" to make any big issue of it (though Alden does, regularly, with the sharp insights of a White woman out of the tradition of the old Pacific-West who saw the interactions the peoples of Asia would do when freed to do so in a White-Protestant-oriented host-society).

    Even the longtime semi-troll Razib Khan, who himself is rather representative of this kind of Asian, says that Asianization of U.S. colleges is a bad, bad idea that no one wants. (As has been said, would even Asian Tiger-Parents and Tiger-Children want to attend an 80%-Asian "elite U.S. college," so-called? But the bigger point is the U.S. cannot have an Asian elite and remain anything like the traditional U.S.). Razib Khan had a controversial essay to this effect a few years ago, of course able to argue the point where a White m an could not (a few White women might be "able" to, such as Heather MacDonald).

    This is one of those tragedy-of-the-commons problems, unsolvable because no one is to be found advocating for White-Christian interests. An idle-thought takes me off to wonder what a hypothetical full-bore Montessorization of the entire U.S. school-system up to x age-level would do to this problem.

    Replies: @Jack D, @dux.ie

  240. It’s also very hard for us to imagine any rapper using the name “Zelensky.”

    The name “Trump” may be grabbed if he gets convicted on any of his 91 indictments. Imagine the street crew he’d get for lunging from his seat and cold-cocking Jack Smith.

  241. @Hail
    @Alden


    Our kids went to Montessori school from preschool up through 6th grade.
     
    I believe it is usual for Montessori to be equated with "pre-K." What does Montessori involve up to 6th grade?

    Replies: @Hail

    I wonder what effect Montessori would have on the huge Asian – White test-score gap.

    The gap began emerging in the early-2000s a nd had became enormous by the mid-2010s. It is obviously (to me) a product of Asian test-prep culture, with some more-outright cheating on the margins. (I note that the traditional White-Western view is that any aggressive “test-prep” at all, for a test such as the SAT/ACT, is puzzling and vaguely considered akin to cheating.)

    According to Unsilenced Science’s latest chart, the “Asian > White SAT-score gap” is now as large as the White vs. Hispanic SAT-score gap (which is approximately steady over decades).

    By some point in the 2010s, the Asian>White gap became ridiculously large, to the point of absurdity, obviously artificially large, and not getting at the point of what these tests are supposed to be about. A rule-of-thumb in intercultural relations is that “Asians don’t do Western fair-play.” (Alden has written about this on these pages many times.)

    Outside of people like Steve Sailer, few talk about this phenomenon, or its causes or implications. A sub-set even of the commenters here are in tacitly favor of Elite Displacement by Asians, or “not against it enough” to make any big issue of it (though Alden does, regularly, with the sharp insights of a White woman out of the tradition of the old Pacific-West who saw the interactions the peoples of Asia would do when freed to do so in a White-Protestant-oriented host-society).

    Even the longtime semi-troll Razib Khan, who himself is rather representative of this kind of Asian, says that Asianization of U.S. colleges is a bad, bad idea that no one wants. (As has been said, would even Asian Tiger-Parents and Tiger-Children want to attend an 80%-Asian “elite U.S. college,” so-called? But the bigger point is the U.S. cannot have an Asian elite and remain anything like the traditional U.S.). Razib Khan had a controversial essay to this effect a few years ago, of course able to argue the point where a White m an could not (a few White women might be “able” to, such as Heather MacDonald).

    This is one of those tragedy-of-the-commons problems, unsolvable because no one is to be found advocating for White-Christian interests. An idle-thought takes me off to wonder what a hypothetical full-bore Montessorization of the entire U.S. school-system up to x age-level would do to this problem.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hail


    As has been said, would even Asian Tiger-Parents and Tiger-Children want to attend an 80%-Asian “elite U.S. college,” so-called?
     
    This stupid argument has been around for over a century. In the 1920s, Lowell, the president of Harvard tried to justify a Jewish quota on the basis that "the summer hotel that is ruined by admitting Jews meets its fate, not because the Jews it admits are of bad character, but because they drive away the Gentiles, and then after the Gentiles have left, they leave also.” It was a lie then and a lie now. Stuyvesant HS in NY (the top admission by test school) is 75% Asian and Asians (and white people to the extent there are any left that still attend public schools in NY) still want to go there.

    You can rationalize all you want but "advocating for White-Christian interests" is another name for racism. You can't have it both ways - to be against a thumb on the scale for blacks vs. whites and to be FOR a thumb on the scale for whites vs. Asians.

    The Asian score gap is not the result of cheating. Learning the material that is going to be on a test is not called "cheating". It's called learning the material. The same kids who excel at learning the material for an SAT will also excel at learning the material you need to learn in order to become a doctor or a lawyer. This is why these tests exist in the 1st place. If your blood pressure is higher than your neighbors, don't blame the sphygmomanometer. Don't blame your neighbors. Look in the mirror to find the source of your problems. Blacks are always looking at others (white people) as the source of their problems. Don't be like blacks.

    If Asians are doing better than whites, figure out what they are doing and do it better and beat them at their own game. But that would require getting off your ass. Easier to just put quotas on Asians and call it a day.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @dux.ie
    @Hail

    Yes there is a Asian White SAT gap but the values of the slopes in That chart are the ILLUSION of the cooking of SAT scores by lowering the SAT ceiling by ETS in the efforts to boost the scores of Black and Hispanic.

    In UNBIAS SAT curve there will be lesser Asian with SAT 1600. By lowering the SAT ceiling, EXPONENTIALLY MORE ASIANS will have SAT 1600. The low ceiling has little effects on White SAT distribution but cut deeper into the Asian SAT distribution.

    The CREDIBILITY OF SAT is dependent on the mapping of SAT to the National Cognitive Percentile NatCog% by US CDC NCHS outside the control of ETS. The REAL SITUATIONS are that for the past few years the gaps of the 50% NatCog% (not avg SAT) for White and Asian remain FAIRLY CONSTANT, both declining slightly. But when mapping to SAT, the White SAT slope declines and the Asian SAT curve exploded.

    You are just scaring shit by yourself.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F17wpdXaEAYlfgU.png

    Replies: @Hail

  242. @Anonymous Jew
    @Spangel226


    first generation Latinos are generally reliable workers- they might not be bright, but they make up for it in motivation. But their kids are the ones who can’t pass the regents
     
    Yes, they assimilate down. We bring them in to replace lower class Whites but their kids end up comparable to lower class Whites…so then we need to bring in more Latinos. It’s like the Looney Tunes cartoon where the hotel guest orders a cat to chase out a mouse, ends up with an elephant, and then needs a mouse to chase out the elephant…

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Yes, they assimilate down. We bring them in to replace lower class Whites but their kids end up comparable to lower class Whites…so then we need to bring in more Latinos. ‘

    From what I saw in LA, this is actually kinda true. In neighborhoods like Boyle Heights, the Hispanics are usually first- or second-generation types — they’re pretty nice kids, really. Most of them go on to enter the lower middle class and move out to the more respectable neighborhoods of East LA proper and the surrounding communities.

    But the ones who stay in the barrio unto the third and later generations — watch out. Those are your gang-bangers.

    There’s a lot of ‘gutter romance’ about the poor, mysteriously oppressed Chicano — I’m thinking of films like La Bamba and Mi Familia and American Me. They’re all in East LA, inexorably sucked into gangs and drugs, etc.

    My impression is that that’s missing the point. Those are the dregs. The main current is the disoriented Mexican immigrant who scrabbles until he gets a decent job, then buys a dumpy house, has kids, makes them stay out of trouble, and is happy when they become dental hygienists or UPS drivers or whatever.

    On to suburbia and a MacDonald’s franchise! It’s not very exciting — but that’s really the trajectory.

  243. @Brutusale
    @Nicholas Stix

    C'mon, man, I have to explain quick-cut journalism like the shitheads at Axios produce?

    Meanwhile, people like this cannot be borne by our government. Too numerous and white...

    https://nypost.com/2023/09/30/german-family-who-sought-asylum-in-us-for-homeschooling-faces-deportation/

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    I had only noticed that it was re-posted at twitchy. Once you mentioned axios, everything became clear. Why the Malkins would re-post such pc garbage (pardon the redundancy) is a mystery to me.

  244. @Bill Jones
    And in St Paul, it's just getting started.

    St. Paul, Minnesota elects first all-female council in city's history

    First Order of Business : St Paula.
    Take a look at this and tell me it's going to go well.

    https://images.axios.com/7CpFMp2moGAPdFd-sKWgmYXrPUs=/0x0:1920x1080/1920x1080/2023/11/10/1699629534326.png?w=1920




    https://www.axios.com/2023/11/11/st-paul-all-female-council-minnesota-election-results

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Patrick in SC, @ThreeCranes, @Ganderson, @Reg Cæsar, @Colin Wright, @Dmon, @Meretricious

    check out sistah morbidly obese on far right–she hot as a hungry furnace

  245. @Corvinus
    @prime noticer

    "imagine being paid over $100,000 a year to be terrible at your job"

    You would know. On a different note...

    https://operations.nfl.com/officiating/nfl-officials-preparing-for-success/

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    Stupid! Is that the best you can do? You’re as bad as the typical Unz Nazi.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Nicholas Stix

    "Stupid! Is that the best you can do? You’re as bad as the typical Unz Nazi."

    I'm just resorting to your brand of humor, which isn't much, but sometimes one just has to slum it. You're really good at that, I must admit.

  246. @Hail
    @AndrewR

    Is Barbara Lerner Specter a "High-IQ Parrot" or (more likely) a "Jewish Paidean"?

    Does "paidean" mean "someone who hates White-Christians and instinctually tries to undermine them?"

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @AndrewR

    See you failed the assignment lol

  247. @JimDandy
    @edwhy

    I wonder if the G.E.D. carries more weight than a H.S. diploma now.

    Replies: @res, @JimDandy, @cityview

    I’ve wondered that myself in recent years. Whether it’s true or not, I commend the initiative and persistence of those who earn a GED.

  248. @Dmon
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't see anything that looks like a Plymouth.
    https://0.cdn.autotraderspecialty.com/Car-101061606-a2bdcb72ee1b66f1cd4225b4f00e152d.jpg

    Replies: @HammerJack, @mmack

    That’s not a Plymouth, sonny!

    That’s a Plymouth!

    • Agree: mmack
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @HammerJack

    The Duster's much cooler. Or, is it a Roadrunner?

    Replies: @mmack

  249. @Reg Cæsar
    @deep anonymous


    ...when Harriett Tubman invented quantum mechanics?
     
    I thought that was taught the Pilgrims at Plymouth. But, no, I'm thinking of squantum mechanics:


    https://i.cbc.ca/1.5808203.1605804910!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_780/2887077.jpg

    Replies: @Dmon, @HammerJack

    Ruby slippers, Samoset?

  250. @Curle
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I remember song but never saw the video. Can’t say I’ve ever seen a woman play the saxophone.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Loved that song, and I thought Rindy Ross’s sax was great.

    “In a 1982 interview, Rindy Ross said that she viewed the saxophone as an extension of her voice, enabling her to express things she could not express with her voice alone.”

  251. @Reg Cæsar
    @Curle

    I remember my RA in the '80s only for a strange reason-- both his first and his last name had been "hot" choices for parents naming their daughters in the previous decade. I had an urge to tell him "You sound like two little girls!"


    Both names peaked for boys around the same time. But the girls made the top 40, one the top 20, while the boys struggled to make the top 200. Both names have dropped out of the top 1,000 for both sexes by now. That's what happens with fads.

    At an elementary school assembly recently, I noticed a Roger and a Patricia. It felt for a moment that I was back in school. Those names peaked in 1945 and 1952, respectively. Roger was #749 last year, maybe in the 500s when this kid was born. Patricia dropped out of the top 1,000 in 2020. In the last decade, it has fallen below Martha, from which it hijacked the nickname Patty. (As any Jefferson scholar could tell you.)

    Replies: @mmack

    I remember my RA in the ’80s only for a strange reason– both his first and his last name had been “hot” choices for parents naming their daughters in the previous decade.

    His name was Jennifer Sarah? Odd name for a dude, kind of has “A Boy Named Sue” vibes. To each their own.

  252. @Dmon
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't see anything that looks like a Plymouth.
    https://0.cdn.autotraderspecialty.com/Car-101061606-a2bdcb72ee1b66f1cd4225b4f00e152d.jpg

    Replies: @HammerJack, @mmack

    Done and Dust(er)ed 👍🏻

    A Valiant effort for a joke. Let’s hope Reg doesn’t spam you in his Fury.

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @mmack

    Reg is a hard Charger, but if he decides to be a Challenger, and starts throwing Darts, I will Dodge them. Chrys(ler), this is a tough crowd.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  253. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah but abortion killed relatively more non-whites, so that evens it out. If non-white women couldn't get abortions in tbe lste 20th century this country would be like 20% white.

    An even greater number of whites were lost just because white women chose not to get pregnant in the first place; waiting until their late 20s to have a smaller number of children so they could get their liberal arts degrees.

    Abortion's a small fry. The real cause is anti-natalist hyper-individualistic attitudes that got normalized in the 70s.


    Oh well. I don't even care. I think Asian women look better and I want half-Asian kids anyway.

    Replies: @Blodgie, @Reg Cæsar

    Gotta choose your Asian mama carefully.

    Have you looked into the average IQ of places like Vietnam, Laos or the Phillipines?

    So not only will your kids look like bugs, they will likely be dimwits as well.

    Might want to reconsider your tastes.

  254. @Guest007
    @Travis

    The military is lowering standards because the civilian unemployment rate is less than 4%, more than 50% of public school students are on free lunch, and the military is coming out of a long period of higher tempo operations.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The School Lunch Program is a relict program which has remained in place even though the share of personal consumption expenditures devoted to meals at home has fallen from 21% (1929) to 8%. For decades, obesity has been inversely correlated with income. There was never adequate justification for enacting a federal program toward this end, bar that the states where malnutrition was most serious were run by legislators who didn’t care.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    What you say is true enough (although arguably free student lunches could be made more nutritious in a way that would reduce obesity rather than contribute to it, although good luck getting the kids to eat it) but that was not Guest's point.

    "Eligible for free student lunch" is a proxy for poverty (or, since poor people in America aren't really poor by world standards, for lower income). It's also a marker for being non-white. His point is that the children of America are increasing browner and poorer and browner and poorer also means dumber so there are just not enough smart white men left to fill the military and they have no choice but to lower standards that were standardized based on the intelligence level of white males.

    The military has been disproportionately non-white for decades. 29% of female soldiers are black.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/214869/share-of-active-duty-enlisted-women-and-men-in-the-us-military/

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    There was never adequate justification for enacting a federal program toward this end, bar that the states where malnutrition was most serious were run by legislators who didn’t care.
     
    A reporter asked Hubert Humphrey if he wanted free school lunches (or a similar program) even for kids "with $5 bills in their pockets". He said, yes, "even those with $5 bills in their pockets". (This was a long time ago. Make that $50 today.)


    This is the concept of "universality" embraced in Canada and the UK; the rich get the same benefits as the poor-- should they want them. Some well-off Tory took advantage of a program which rescued his half-million-or-more-pound mansion, and later said he was a true believer in the welfare state.

    Mrs Thatcher started a program to help working-class types start small businesses to achieve self-sufficiency. An ambitious young singer-- perhaps Rick Astley, but someone like him in any case-- took advantage of this. A band is a business, it hires people, right?

    (Good heavens, I just Rick-rolled the comment section!)

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Stan Adams

    , @Guest007
    @Art Deco

    The point is that the type of student who qualifies for free lunch is probably not the type who is going to score high enough or be interested enough to joint the military. Instead of thinking on context, one has to run down a rabbit hole about a program that no Congressman other than Massie would ever consider ending.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  255. @Bill Jones
    I hear Former Friends of The US has a vacancy


    https://sonar21.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/image-40.png

    Replies: @Hail, @Art Deco

    None of the four people depicted were ever friends of the U.S. in any sense.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    If I was trying to find a guy who would be in good company (in Hell) with that gang of dictators, Putin comes to mind, not the democratically elected Zelensky (don't tell me about how Putin wins elections - he does it by poisoning his political opponents and putting them in jail).

    Also those guys didn't earn their one way ticket to Hell by being friends with the US but by becoming its enemies, by for example, invading neighboring countries. So this is a really strange image put together by someone who was not a very clear thinker or whose brain was addled by Rushism. A lot of low class Russians are addled in this way because they are stewed in a borscht of Russian TV propaganda 24/7 and all dissenting voices have been squeezed out. But I really don't understand how people in the West can fall victim to this BS version of reality.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    None of the four people depicted were ever friends of the U.S. in any sense.
     
    Saddam was the lesser of two evils to his country's Christians, and got their support. Mo helped keep Africans out of Europe at the end, albeit probably cynically, sort of an Arab George Wallace.

    No, they were never our friends, but a case could be made they were friends of our friends, in the sense of being enemies of the enemies of our friends. Or even the enemy of the enemy of the enemy of our enemy in Noriega's case.

    Replies: @Jack D

  256. @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    Since they already fly the fag flag out front, they should just go ahead and turn it into a homo bathhouse right now. “Embrace the future.”
     
    Fira Bensto already does:


    Zoöphilia Is Morally Permissible



    https://twitter.com/EdWhelanEPPC/status/1722591908348735752



    Michael Cook has read the whole thing, and summarizes it for you:

    My point is that this article, this reeking bin of intellectual garbage, this stercoraceous heap of idiocy, is logical, perfectly logical -- once you accept its initial premise.




    The ultimate taboo of zoöphilia should not be stigmatized, says ethicist
     
    TigerDroppings agrees (I think), and has found the appropriate cartoon:




    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-d_psQa8AAvGXE?format=png&name=large

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @MEH 0910

  257. @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar


    Hank Snow was the son of George Snow (1886–1966) [7] and Maude Marie Hatt[7][8] (1889–1953)[7] in the small community of Brooklyn in Queens County, Nova Scotia, Canada. He was born on May 9, 1914.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Snow

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    I was reminded of this:

    The term gained further currency with “I’m Movin’ On,” a popular song of 1950 by Hank Snow that aired on the Armed Services Radio Network. Some soldier—it is not remembered who—changed the words to commemorate a major U.S. retreat.

    It was supposedly first sung by black soldiers of the 24th Infantry Regiment, and one line went, “When them Chinese mortars begin to thud, the old Deuce-Four begin to bug.” There were numerous other versions of the song, but many had the refrain, “We’re buggin’ out, We’re movin’ on.” It was renamed “Bugout Boogie” and officially forbidden but nevertheless became the unofficial anthem of the Korean conflict. From it also came the expression to pull a Hank Snow, meaning to bug out.

    https://www.historynet.com/fighting-words-from-the-world-wars-to-korea/

    The lyrics are here:
    “Bug Out Boogie”
    https://turkeythicket.blogspot.com/2019/02/bug-out-boogie.html

    The version I remember my father singing had it as “playin’ burp gun boogie on the last guy’s ass” but there are multiple versions.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    Oscar Brand recorded at least two versions of this, one about the Marines, and the other the Army.

  258. @Hail
    @Hail

    I wonder what effect Montessori would have on the huge Asian - White test-score gap.

    The gap began emerging in the early-2000s a nd had became enormous by the mid-2010s. It is obviously (to me) a product of Asian test-prep culture, with some more-outright cheating on the margins. (I note that the traditional White-Western view is that any aggressive "test-prep" at all, for a test such as the SAT/ACT, is puzzling and vaguely considered akin to cheating.)

    According to Unsilenced Science's latest chart, the "Asian > White SAT-score gap" is now as large as the White vs. Hispanic SAT-score gap (which is approximately steady over decades).

    https://hailtoyou.files.wordpress.com/2023/11/unsilenced-science-sat-scores-by-race-to-2023.jpeg

    By some point in the 2010s, the Asian>White gap became ridiculously large, to the point of absurdity, obviously artificially large, and not getting at the point of what these tests are supposed to be about. A rule-of-thumb in intercultural relations is that "Asians don't do Western fair-play." (Alden has written about this on these pages many times.)

    Outside of people like Steve Sailer, few talk about this phenomenon, or its causes or implications. A sub-set even of the commenters here are in tacitly favor of Elite Displacement by Asians, or "not against it enough" to make any big issue of it (though Alden does, regularly, with the sharp insights of a White woman out of the tradition of the old Pacific-West who saw the interactions the peoples of Asia would do when freed to do so in a White-Protestant-oriented host-society).

    Even the longtime semi-troll Razib Khan, who himself is rather representative of this kind of Asian, says that Asianization of U.S. colleges is a bad, bad idea that no one wants. (As has been said, would even Asian Tiger-Parents and Tiger-Children want to attend an 80%-Asian "elite U.S. college," so-called? But the bigger point is the U.S. cannot have an Asian elite and remain anything like the traditional U.S.). Razib Khan had a controversial essay to this effect a few years ago, of course able to argue the point where a White m an could not (a few White women might be "able" to, such as Heather MacDonald).

    This is one of those tragedy-of-the-commons problems, unsolvable because no one is to be found advocating for White-Christian interests. An idle-thought takes me off to wonder what a hypothetical full-bore Montessorization of the entire U.S. school-system up to x age-level would do to this problem.

    Replies: @Jack D, @dux.ie

    As has been said, would even Asian Tiger-Parents and Tiger-Children want to attend an 80%-Asian “elite U.S. college,” so-called?

    This stupid argument has been around for over a century. In the 1920s, Lowell, the president of Harvard tried to justify a Jewish quota on the basis that “the summer hotel that is ruined by admitting Jews meets its fate, not because the Jews it admits are of bad character, but because they drive away the Gentiles, and then after the Gentiles have left, they leave also.” It was a lie then and a lie now. Stuyvesant HS in NY (the top admission by test school) is 75% Asian and Asians (and white people to the extent there are any left that still attend public schools in NY) still want to go there.

    You can rationalize all you want but “advocating for White-Christian interests” is another name for racism. You can’t have it both ways – to be against a thumb on the scale for blacks vs. whites and to be FOR a thumb on the scale for whites vs. Asians.

    The Asian score gap is not the result of cheating. Learning the material that is going to be on a test is not called “cheating”. It’s called learning the material. The same kids who excel at learning the material for an SAT will also excel at learning the material you need to learn in order to become a doctor or a lawyer. This is why these tests exist in the 1st place. If your blood pressure is higher than your neighbors, don’t blame the sphygmomanometer. Don’t blame your neighbors. Look in the mirror to find the source of your problems. Blacks are always looking at others (white people) as the source of their problems. Don’t be like blacks.

    If Asians are doing better than whites, figure out what they are doing and do it better and beat them at their own game. But that would require getting off your ass. Easier to just put quotas on Asians and call it a day.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    '...You can rationalize all you want but “advocating for White-Christian interests” is another name for racism...'
     
    What's advocating for Jewish interests, Jack?

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    What despicable arguments. But then, look who it's coming from.

    Quotas on Jews at Harvard were fully justifiable because Harvard grooms a society's elite, and who wants an elite which is composed of eternally hostile foreign parasites who despise the society and people they rule over? I mean c'mon: Jews became the elite of the USA over the last 70 years, and now just look at this dump. Same thing for Asians, especially dots; you know quite well how much worse it can get, and you welcome it.

    "If Asians are doing better than whites, figure out what they are doing and do it better and beat them at their own game. But that would require getting off your ass."

    Still waiting for Asians and Jews to make good on their incredible superiority, and rather than ram their way into Stuyvesant and the Ivy League, build prestigious Sun Yat-sen College and Tapewormstein University, compleat with generous scholarship programs for round-eyes and uncircumcised cattle.

    You guys are great at piggy-backing off of someone else's country. If you're so amazing, go build your own. Without $4 billion a year subsidies.

    [SPITS]

    Replies: @Twinkie

  259. @Art Deco
    @Bill Jones

    None of the four people depicted were ever friends of the U.S. in any sense.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    If I was trying to find a guy who would be in good company (in Hell) with that gang of dictators, Putin comes to mind, not the democratically elected Zelensky (don’t tell me about how Putin wins elections – he does it by poisoning his political opponents and putting them in jail).

    Also those guys didn’t earn their one way ticket to Hell by being friends with the US but by becoming its enemies, by for example, invading neighboring countries. So this is a really strange image put together by someone who was not a very clear thinker or whose brain was addled by Rushism. A lot of low class Russians are addled in this way because they are stewed in a borscht of Russian TV propaganda 24/7 and all dissenting voices have been squeezed out. But I really don’t understand how people in the West can fall victim to this BS version of reality.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    'A lot of low class Russians are addled in this way because they are stewed in a borscht of Russian TV propaganda 24/7 and all dissenting voices have been squeezed out. '
     
    We're becoming familiar with that ourselves. There are still people who think Hamas beheaded forty babies.

    Replies: @Jack D

  260. @Corvinus
    @Dumbo

    "The main one, I think, it’s just social disintegration. No one cares about the institutions, communities, etc because they don’t really exist, we don’t live in a cohesive, real country anymore."

    This is why I love this fine opinion webzine. Comments like this serve as a reminder that there is small subset of the population who is completely out of touch with reality. Yes, people do care about the institutions and communities, they are part of them through their careers and social lives. And, as evident by the divide between D's and R's, it is clear that each side is steadfast in their position to direct the country they love to a particular place.

    My vague impression is that YOUR definition of a "high trust society" is anyone who is 100% committed to the ideology you espouse, and anyone who fails to or chooses to not adhere to it, well, they are other than trustworthy. Pretty shallow if you ask me.

    Replies: @Prester John

    “Yes, people do care about the institutions and communities”

    Most, but not all.

  261. @Art Deco
    @Guest007

    The School Lunch Program is a relict program which has remained in place even though the share of personal consumption expenditures devoted to meals at home has fallen from 21% (1929) to 8%. For decades, obesity has been inversely correlated with income. There was never adequate justification for enacting a federal program toward this end, bar that the states where malnutrition was most serious were run by legislators who didn't care.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

    What you say is true enough (although arguably free student lunches could be made more nutritious in a way that would reduce obesity rather than contribute to it, although good luck getting the kids to eat it) but that was not Guest’s point.

    “Eligible for free student lunch” is a proxy for poverty (or, since poor people in America aren’t really poor by world standards, for lower income). It’s also a marker for being non-white. His point is that the children of America are increasing browner and poorer and browner and poorer also means dumber so there are just not enough smart white men left to fill the military and they have no choice but to lower standards that were standardized based on the intelligence level of white males.

    The military has been disproportionately non-white for decades. 29% of female soldiers are black.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/214869/share-of-active-duty-enlisted-women-and-men-in-the-us-military/

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    It's not a proxy for poverty, Jack. It's an indicator that the eligibility standards have been set to expand the program's clientele and make the PR case for its continuation. This is some Henry Waxman type working with government bureaucrats and social-work-industry lobbyists like the Children's Defense Fund. Why do you think 'food insecurity' has replaced 'malnutrition' in the talking points fed to journalists? Because there is no malnutrition.

    Replies: @deep anonymous, @Jack D

  262. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    What you say is true enough (although arguably free student lunches could be made more nutritious in a way that would reduce obesity rather than contribute to it, although good luck getting the kids to eat it) but that was not Guest's point.

    "Eligible for free student lunch" is a proxy for poverty (or, since poor people in America aren't really poor by world standards, for lower income). It's also a marker for being non-white. His point is that the children of America are increasing browner and poorer and browner and poorer also means dumber so there are just not enough smart white men left to fill the military and they have no choice but to lower standards that were standardized based on the intelligence level of white males.

    The military has been disproportionately non-white for decades. 29% of female soldiers are black.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/214869/share-of-active-duty-enlisted-women-and-men-in-the-us-military/

    Replies: @Art Deco

    It’s not a proxy for poverty, Jack. It’s an indicator that the eligibility standards have been set to expand the program’s clientele and make the PR case for its continuation. This is some Henry Waxman type working with government bureaucrats and social-work-industry lobbyists like the Children’s Defense Fund. Why do you think ‘food insecurity’ has replaced ‘malnutrition’ in the talking points fed to journalists? Because there is no malnutrition.

    • Replies: @deep anonymous
    @Art Deco

    I think you also have to account for the power and influence of the agribusiness lobby. They make huge money on the school lunch program. Somebody has to supply all that food, and obviously they get paid by the government. Notably, pretty much every member of Congress from agricultural districts supports this, and in turn they get plenty of campaign finance money from big-Ag.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    The standard for free lunch is 130% of the "poverty line" and for reduced price is 185%. And the "poverty line" keeps getting raised with inflation (it's currently $30k/yr for a family of 4, so you could make $55k or $28/hr and still get reduced price lunch). And sure all government programs create their own constituencies in favor of expanding them, not just the ostensible "beneficiaries" but a whole complex of bureaucrats and non-profits and agribusiness that feed at the teat of government. And most Americans, even the "poor" could afford their own damn lunch. If they can afford all those expensive sneakers and parkas and so on they could afford their own damn PB&J sandwich.

    But all that being said, we know that real incomes in the US for the bottom half of the population haven't gone up since the 1970s and that high income white ladies are forgetting to have children so no matter what yardstick you use, the military has to recruit from a browner, poorer pool, which was the OP's actual point.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  263. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    It's not a proxy for poverty, Jack. It's an indicator that the eligibility standards have been set to expand the program's clientele and make the PR case for its continuation. This is some Henry Waxman type working with government bureaucrats and social-work-industry lobbyists like the Children's Defense Fund. Why do you think 'food insecurity' has replaced 'malnutrition' in the talking points fed to journalists? Because there is no malnutrition.

    Replies: @deep anonymous, @Jack D

    I think you also have to account for the power and influence of the agribusiness lobby. They make huge money on the school lunch program. Somebody has to supply all that food, and obviously they get paid by the government. Notably, pretty much every member of Congress from agricultural districts supports this, and in turn they get plenty of campaign finance money from big-Ag.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @deep anonymous

    About $28 bn is spent on the School Lunch program. The ratio of that sum to the sum of revenue of businesses engaged in retail trade in foodstuffs and food and beverages for patrons is about 0.02.

  264. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Prester John

    Dear Prester John,

    In my other reply, I failed to address your particular life experience! I am very grateful for your comment, and I appreciate your view!

    As you say,


    Some people are innately very intelligent. They’ve been dealt four aces. The rest of us have not so we play the hand as best we can, if we choose to play it at all.
     
    There is not enough attention given here on this blog to...

    The rest of us [who] play the hand as best we can, if we choose to play it at all.
     
    Whenever I read something like what you wrote, I am reminded, brought back, and taken down, to reality.

    God may give some people gifts. I cannot run as fast as Usain Bolt. I can't calculate as well as Johnny von Neumann (nor as well as my wife, who, like Johnny, is a Hungarian mathematician!)

    The rest of us must do our best, as you have! Kudos to you, and thank you for being here!

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    There’s a fair amount of evidence that IQ’s over 3 SD’s up cease being much of an advantage.

    • Agree: Renard
  265. @Art Deco
    @Bill Jones

    None of the four people depicted were ever friends of the U.S. in any sense.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    None of the four people depicted were ever friends of the U.S. in any sense.

    Saddam was the lesser of two evils to his country’s Christians, and got their support. Mo helped keep Africans out of Europe at the end, albeit probably cynically, sort of an Arab George Wallace.

    No, they were never our friends, but a case could be made they were friends of our friends, in the sense of being enemies of the enemies of our friends. Or even the enemy of the enemy of the enemy of our enemy in Noriega’s case.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    That the beleaguered Christians of Iraq turned to the vile Saddam (and his even viler sons) for protection out of desperation for their survival in an increasingly radicalized Islamic world is not somehow proof that Saddam was a friend of our friends any more than Hitler was our friend because he was a dog lover. Saddam was friends to nobody but himself.

    Iraq is such a radicalized place BECAUSE of Saddam and not despite him. Guys like Saddam pluck all promising shoots of liberal thought the instant that they sprout until there is nothing but poison ivy left and then they tell you that you need to keep them around because only they can keep the poison ivy under control. No thank you.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  266. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    It's not a proxy for poverty, Jack. It's an indicator that the eligibility standards have been set to expand the program's clientele and make the PR case for its continuation. This is some Henry Waxman type working with government bureaucrats and social-work-industry lobbyists like the Children's Defense Fund. Why do you think 'food insecurity' has replaced 'malnutrition' in the talking points fed to journalists? Because there is no malnutrition.

    Replies: @deep anonymous, @Jack D

    The standard for free lunch is 130% of the “poverty line” and for reduced price is 185%. And the “poverty line” keeps getting raised with inflation (it’s currently $30k/yr for a family of 4, so you could make $55k or $28/hr and still get reduced price lunch). And sure all government programs create their own constituencies in favor of expanding them, not just the ostensible “beneficiaries” but a whole complex of bureaucrats and non-profits and agribusiness that feed at the teat of government. And most Americans, even the “poor” could afford their own damn lunch. If they can afford all those expensive sneakers and parkas and so on they could afford their own damn PB&J sandwich.

    But all that being said, we know that real incomes in the US for the bottom half of the population haven’t gone up since the 1970s and that high income white ladies are forgetting to have children so no matter what yardstick you use, the military has to recruit from a browner, poorer pool, which was the OP’s actual point.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    we know that real incomes in the US for the bottom half of the population haven’t gone up since the 1970s
    ===
    No, we don't. It's just a meme, endlessly repeated.

    Replies: @Jack D

  267. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    None of the four people depicted were ever friends of the U.S. in any sense.
     
    Saddam was the lesser of two evils to his country's Christians, and got their support. Mo helped keep Africans out of Europe at the end, albeit probably cynically, sort of an Arab George Wallace.

    No, they were never our friends, but a case could be made they were friends of our friends, in the sense of being enemies of the enemies of our friends. Or even the enemy of the enemy of the enemy of our enemy in Noriega's case.

    Replies: @Jack D

    That the beleaguered Christians of Iraq turned to the vile Saddam (and his even viler sons) for protection out of desperation for their survival in an increasingly radicalized Islamic world is not somehow proof that Saddam was a friend of our friends any more than Hitler was our friend because he was a dog lover. Saddam was friends to nobody but himself.

    Iraq is such a radicalized place BECAUSE of Saddam and not despite him. Guys like Saddam pluck all promising shoots of liberal thought the instant that they sprout until there is nothing but poison ivy left and then they tell you that you need to keep them around because only they can keep the poison ivy under control. No thank you.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    any more than Hitler was our friend
     
    I was going to mention the Finns and other Soviet neighbors turning to him, considering the alternative, but decided not to.
  268. @Art Deco
    @Guest007

    The School Lunch Program is a relict program which has remained in place even though the share of personal consumption expenditures devoted to meals at home has fallen from 21% (1929) to 8%. For decades, obesity has been inversely correlated with income. There was never adequate justification for enacting a federal program toward this end, bar that the states where malnutrition was most serious were run by legislators who didn't care.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

    There was never adequate justification for enacting a federal program toward this end, bar that the states where malnutrition was most serious were run by legislators who didn’t care.

    A reporter asked Hubert Humphrey if he wanted free school lunches (or a similar program) even for kids “with $5 bills in their pockets”. He said, yes, “even those with $5 bills in their pockets”. (This was a long time ago. Make that $50 today.)

    This is the concept of “universality” embraced in Canada and the UK; the rich get the same benefits as the poor– should they want them. Some well-off Tory took advantage of a program which rescued his half-million-or-more-pound mansion, and later said he was a true believer in the welfare state.

    Mrs Thatcher started a program to help working-class types start small businesses to achieve self-sufficiency. An ambitious young singer– perhaps Rick Astley, but someone like him in any case– took advantage of this. A band is a business, it hires people, right?

    (Good heavens, I just Rick-rolled the comment section!)

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Reg Cæsar

    Categorical means tests generate perverse incentives, so are best avoided or replaced with sliding scales. Humphrey's misconception was that it was beneficial to subsidize people's mundane expenditures and induce them to rebalance expenditures in their consumption bundle. Sluicing some extra cash to people gives you more bang for the buck, provided that your eligibility criteria for obtaining the cash does not incorporate perverse incentives.

    , @Stan Adams
    @Reg Cæsar

    One day, I was in school, a teacher asked us our opinion of Steve Forbes’ flat tax.

    “Would it really be fair if everybody paid the exact same rate?” she asked.

    “Yes,” I answered.

    The light went out of her eyes.

    “You are dead wrong,” she snapped, and proceeded to rip me a new one.

    I was most fortunate that she didn’t make me wear a dunce cap and write “Steve Forbes is a smarmy prick” 100 times on the chalkboard.

    This was the same teacher who threw a pizza party in honor of O.J.’s acquittal.

    Ah, those were the days.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Joe Joe

  269. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    That the beleaguered Christians of Iraq turned to the vile Saddam (and his even viler sons) for protection out of desperation for their survival in an increasingly radicalized Islamic world is not somehow proof that Saddam was a friend of our friends any more than Hitler was our friend because he was a dog lover. Saddam was friends to nobody but himself.

    Iraq is such a radicalized place BECAUSE of Saddam and not despite him. Guys like Saddam pluck all promising shoots of liberal thought the instant that they sprout until there is nothing but poison ivy left and then they tell you that you need to keep them around because only they can keep the poison ivy under control. No thank you.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    any more than Hitler was our friend

    I was going to mention the Finns and other Soviet neighbors turning to him, considering the alternative, but decided not to.

  270. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    If I was trying to find a guy who would be in good company (in Hell) with that gang of dictators, Putin comes to mind, not the democratically elected Zelensky (don't tell me about how Putin wins elections - he does it by poisoning his political opponents and putting them in jail).

    Also those guys didn't earn their one way ticket to Hell by being friends with the US but by becoming its enemies, by for example, invading neighboring countries. So this is a really strange image put together by someone who was not a very clear thinker or whose brain was addled by Rushism. A lot of low class Russians are addled in this way because they are stewed in a borscht of Russian TV propaganda 24/7 and all dissenting voices have been squeezed out. But I really don't understand how people in the West can fall victim to this BS version of reality.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘A lot of low class Russians are addled in this way because they are stewed in a borscht of Russian TV propaganda 24/7 and all dissenting voices have been squeezed out. ‘

    We’re becoming familiar with that ourselves. There are still people who think Hamas beheaded forty babies.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright


    There are still people who think Hamas beheaded forty babies.
     
    You're right. Our media lies. It wasn't 40 babies - it was only 30 and they weren't beheaded, just stabbed and shot and burned. What do you take Hamas for, monsters or something?

    After the war, the British arrested and interrogated Rudolf Höss, the commandant of Auschwitz (they later turned him over to the Poles and he was tried and executed ). He freely admitted to murdering over a million people there. However, at some point in his interrogation the British asked him about what became of all the gold that they extracted from the million dead, from their jewelry and dental crowns and so on. Had he perhaps taken a bit of that gold for himself? At this, he grew very insulted. He stammered, "What kind of man do you take me for?"

  271. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    'A lot of low class Russians are addled in this way because they are stewed in a borscht of Russian TV propaganda 24/7 and all dissenting voices have been squeezed out. '
     
    We're becoming familiar with that ourselves. There are still people who think Hamas beheaded forty babies.

    Replies: @Jack D

    There are still people who think Hamas beheaded forty babies.

    You’re right. Our media lies. It wasn’t 40 babies – it was only 30 and they weren’t beheaded, just stabbed and shot and burned. What do you take Hamas for, monsters or something?

    After the war, the British arrested and interrogated Rudolf Höss, the commandant of Auschwitz (they later turned him over to the Poles and he was tried and executed ). He freely admitted to murdering over a million people there. However, at some point in his interrogation the British asked him about what became of all the gold that they extracted from the million dead, from their jewelry and dental crowns and so on. Had he perhaps taken a bit of that gold for himself? At this, he grew very insulted. He stammered, “What kind of man do you take me for?”

    • Troll: Renard
  272. ‘You’re right. Our media lies. It wasn’t 40 babies – it was only 30 and they weren’t beheaded, just stabbed and shot and burned. What do you take Hamas for, monsters or something?’

    Last time I checked, there was one. Whether he or she was killed by Hamas, or by the Jews themselves when they counter-attacked, is unknown.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    You haven't been checking very hard. Yeah, and only 1 Jew died in the Holocaust and that was as a result of Allied bombing. The denial and lies are always the same.

    You have this all wrong. Hamas is PROUD of all the Jews that they killed. You are denying them their joy when you minimize the number that they killed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bACNYtaLBQI

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  273. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah but abortion killed relatively more non-whites, so that evens it out. If non-white women couldn't get abortions in tbe lste 20th century this country would be like 20% white.

    An even greater number of whites were lost just because white women chose not to get pregnant in the first place; waiting until their late 20s to have a smaller number of children so they could get their liberal arts degrees.

    Abortion's a small fry. The real cause is anti-natalist hyper-individualistic attitudes that got normalized in the 70s.


    Oh well. I don't even care. I think Asian women look better and I want half-Asian kids anyway.

    Replies: @Blodgie, @Reg Cæsar

    If non-white women couldn’t get abortions in tbe lste 20th century this country would be like 20% white.

    If that were true, it would have happened before 1973, and it didn’t. Black women can say no when they have to. Their bastardy rate was lower in 1960 than whites’ is today. Check out the lyrics to Motown’s “Love Child”:

    Ah, this love we’re contemplating
    Is worth the pain of waiting
    We’ll only end up hating
    The child we may be creating…

    Ah, don’t think that I don’t need you
    Don’t think I don’t wanna please you
    But no child of mine will be bearing
    The name of shame I’ve been wearing
    Love child…

    https://genius.com/The-supremes-love-child-lyrics

    These songs were written in a hurry, week by week. They were built on the “conventional wisdom”, tropes current, if weaker, among blacks as well as among whites.

    An even greater number of whites were lost just because white women chose not to get pregnant in the first place…

    Elective abortion just feeds this mentality. If pregnancy and motherhood are so horrifying that abandoning your child is preferrable…

    Abortion’s a small fry. The real cause is anti-natalist hyper-individualistic attitudes that got normalized in the 70s.

    It’s all a “seamless garment”. The sexual revolution didn’t reward the responsible; it weakened their position vis-à-vis the irresponsible. The Ruth Institute will tell you all you need to know about this.

  274. @Jim Don Bob
    @Renard

    Apologies if this have been posted before but a coupla chicks space walking last week outside the ISS let go their tool bag which can now be seen orbiting the Earth a few hundred feet away. I'd bet this would not have happened if they'd had their cell phones in the bag.

    https://www.space.com/astronauts-international-space-station-tool-bag-visible

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

  275. @deep anonymous
    @Art Deco

    I think you also have to account for the power and influence of the agribusiness lobby. They make huge money on the school lunch program. Somebody has to supply all that food, and obviously they get paid by the government. Notably, pretty much every member of Congress from agricultural districts supports this, and in turn they get plenty of campaign finance money from big-Ag.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    About $28 bn is spent on the School Lunch program. The ratio of that sum to the sum of revenue of businesses engaged in retail trade in foodstuffs and food and beverages for patrons is about 0.02.

  276. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    The standard for free lunch is 130% of the "poverty line" and for reduced price is 185%. And the "poverty line" keeps getting raised with inflation (it's currently $30k/yr for a family of 4, so you could make $55k or $28/hr and still get reduced price lunch). And sure all government programs create their own constituencies in favor of expanding them, not just the ostensible "beneficiaries" but a whole complex of bureaucrats and non-profits and agribusiness that feed at the teat of government. And most Americans, even the "poor" could afford their own damn lunch. If they can afford all those expensive sneakers and parkas and so on they could afford their own damn PB&J sandwich.

    But all that being said, we know that real incomes in the US for the bottom half of the population haven't gone up since the 1970s and that high income white ladies are forgetting to have children so no matter what yardstick you use, the military has to recruit from a browner, poorer pool, which was the OP's actual point.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    we know that real incomes in the US for the bottom half of the population haven’t gone up since the 1970s
    ===
    No, we don’t. It’s just a meme, endlessly repeated.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Actually they have gone up a tiny amount but have been basically stagnant on an inflation adjusted basis:

    https://www.aei.org/articles/have-wages-stagnated-for-decades-in-the-us/#:~:text=A%20startling%20fact%20is%20that,is%20correctly%20interpreted%20as%20stagnant.

    https://www.obserwatorfinansowy.pl/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Figure-1.png

    This is not some kind of Leftist propaganda. If you look at other figures like housing affordability, it's even worse. There was a time in America where an average working man could work and support his family and own a modest house and a car and mom could stay home and take care of the kids and that's just out of reach for most Americans today.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  277. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    There was never adequate justification for enacting a federal program toward this end, bar that the states where malnutrition was most serious were run by legislators who didn’t care.
     
    A reporter asked Hubert Humphrey if he wanted free school lunches (or a similar program) even for kids "with $5 bills in their pockets". He said, yes, "even those with $5 bills in their pockets". (This was a long time ago. Make that $50 today.)


    This is the concept of "universality" embraced in Canada and the UK; the rich get the same benefits as the poor-- should they want them. Some well-off Tory took advantage of a program which rescued his half-million-or-more-pound mansion, and later said he was a true believer in the welfare state.

    Mrs Thatcher started a program to help working-class types start small businesses to achieve self-sufficiency. An ambitious young singer-- perhaps Rick Astley, but someone like him in any case-- took advantage of this. A band is a business, it hires people, right?

    (Good heavens, I just Rick-rolled the comment section!)

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Stan Adams

    Categorical means tests generate perverse incentives, so are best avoided or replaced with sliding scales. Humphrey’s misconception was that it was beneficial to subsidize people’s mundane expenditures and induce them to rebalance expenditures in their consumption bundle. Sluicing some extra cash to people gives you more bang for the buck, provided that your eligibility criteria for obtaining the cash does not incorporate perverse incentives.

  278. @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco


    There was never adequate justification for enacting a federal program toward this end, bar that the states where malnutrition was most serious were run by legislators who didn’t care.
     
    A reporter asked Hubert Humphrey if he wanted free school lunches (or a similar program) even for kids "with $5 bills in their pockets". He said, yes, "even those with $5 bills in their pockets". (This was a long time ago. Make that $50 today.)


    This is the concept of "universality" embraced in Canada and the UK; the rich get the same benefits as the poor-- should they want them. Some well-off Tory took advantage of a program which rescued his half-million-or-more-pound mansion, and later said he was a true believer in the welfare state.

    Mrs Thatcher started a program to help working-class types start small businesses to achieve self-sufficiency. An ambitious young singer-- perhaps Rick Astley, but someone like him in any case-- took advantage of this. A band is a business, it hires people, right?

    (Good heavens, I just Rick-rolled the comment section!)

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Stan Adams

    One day, I was in school, a teacher asked us our opinion of Steve Forbes’ flat tax.

    “Would it really be fair if everybody paid the exact same rate?” she asked.

    “Yes,” I answered.

    The light went out of her eyes.

    “You are dead wrong,” she snapped, and proceeded to rip me a new one.

    I was most fortunate that she didn’t make me wear a dunce cap and write “Steve Forbes is a smarmy prick” 100 times on the chalkboard.

    This was the same teacher who threw a pizza party in honor of O.J.’s acquittal.

    Ah, those were the days.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Stan Adams

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkYl_AH-qyk

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Joe Joe
    @Stan Adams

    OMG!!! What grade were you in when this happened???

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  279. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    we know that real incomes in the US for the bottom half of the population haven’t gone up since the 1970s
    ===
    No, we don't. It's just a meme, endlessly repeated.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Actually they have gone up a tiny amount but have been basically stagnant on an inflation adjusted basis:

    https://www.aei.org/articles/have-wages-stagnated-for-decades-in-the-us/#:~:text=A%20startling%20fact%20is%20that,is%20correctly%20interpreted%20as%20stagnant.

    This is not some kind of Leftist propaganda. If you look at other figures like housing affordability, it’s even worse. There was a time in America where an average working man could work and support his family and own a modest house and a car and mom could stay home and take care of the kids and that’s just out of reach for most Americans today.

    • Agree: Curle
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Actually they have gone up a tiny amount but have been basically stagnant on an inflation adjusted basis:
    ==
    You need to be consulting proper metrics and ask yourself if the implication of your remarks makes any sense. Have a look at the BLS data on compensation by occupation, at the BEA data on personal income, at income distribution studies, &c.

  280. @Colin Wright
    @Bill Jones


    'Take a look at this and tell me it’s going to go well.'
     
    Well, it could. It could go like one of those group projects in school. Everyone listens to the sensible Chinese girl and gets an 'A.'

    ...my daughter used to get disgusted by that; it was so obvious. Every time the class was broken up into groups, each group got either an Asian, my daughter, or the other smart white kid.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Anonymous

    Yes, this is one of the problems with being a smart kid. You get dragooned by teachers into the role of unpaid teacher’s assistant. (The really smart kids of course learn to conceal their smartness.)

  281. @Jack D
    @Hail


    As has been said, would even Asian Tiger-Parents and Tiger-Children want to attend an 80%-Asian “elite U.S. college,” so-called?
     
    This stupid argument has been around for over a century. In the 1920s, Lowell, the president of Harvard tried to justify a Jewish quota on the basis that "the summer hotel that is ruined by admitting Jews meets its fate, not because the Jews it admits are of bad character, but because they drive away the Gentiles, and then after the Gentiles have left, they leave also.” It was a lie then and a lie now. Stuyvesant HS in NY (the top admission by test school) is 75% Asian and Asians (and white people to the extent there are any left that still attend public schools in NY) still want to go there.

    You can rationalize all you want but "advocating for White-Christian interests" is another name for racism. You can't have it both ways - to be against a thumb on the scale for blacks vs. whites and to be FOR a thumb on the scale for whites vs. Asians.

    The Asian score gap is not the result of cheating. Learning the material that is going to be on a test is not called "cheating". It's called learning the material. The same kids who excel at learning the material for an SAT will also excel at learning the material you need to learn in order to become a doctor or a lawyer. This is why these tests exist in the 1st place. If your blood pressure is higher than your neighbors, don't blame the sphygmomanometer. Don't blame your neighbors. Look in the mirror to find the source of your problems. Blacks are always looking at others (white people) as the source of their problems. Don't be like blacks.

    If Asians are doing better than whites, figure out what they are doing and do it better and beat them at their own game. But that would require getting off your ass. Easier to just put quotas on Asians and call it a day.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    ‘…You can rationalize all you want but “advocating for White-Christian interests” is another name for racism…’

    What’s advocating for Jewish interests, Jack?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Colin Wright

    Destiny?

  282. @anyone with a brain
    @Renard

    Before World War II there weren't many countries making cars, so it is easy to rank as one of the better ones.

    As soon as Japan and Germany and now China have reindustrialised it is easy to see American cars were never good.


    America rose to technological pre-eminence in virtually every other field. In many of which WW2 was actually the catalyst for further advances.
     
    LOL

    America rose because its competitors were nuked, occupied, bankrupt or just plain war torn and robbed of a generation of young men. Plus America took in Nazi scientist with the very real that if non-cooperation meaning being hanged by the triumphant conquerors.

    Like I said Americans were never an intellectual rigorous people.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Curle, @Renard, @Jack D

    As soon as Japan and Germany and now China have reindustrialised it is easy to see American cars were never good.

    That’s not what went on at all. The US was a world leader in autos and especially in the mass production of inexpensive cars. The Germans invented the car but the Americans made it affordable to everyone. In most other countries, a car was a plaything of the rich and it was hand built by craftsmen and had a price tag to match. So yes a Mercedes was better than a Plymouth, maybe even better than a Cadillac, but you are comparing apples to oranges (or kumquats to juice oranges). Hitler initiated the Volkswagen because there was nothing in Germany that was equivalent to the affordability of a Ford or Chevy in America.

    The Japanese learned everything they knew about cars from the Americans. The first Toyota engine was a license built version of a Chevrolet motor. Eventually the pupil exceeded the teacher because they look American lessons about quality control to heart while we forgot them and focused on tail fins and marketing instead.

    Chinese cars are crap to this day.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Curle
    @Jack D

    “So yes a Mercedes was better than a Plymouth”

    But could you sleep comfortably overnight in the rear bench seat of a Mercedes like you could a ‘75 Duster?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Fr. Andrew Greeley traveled to Europe for Church business in 1965 and while he was there bought a Benz in Germany and had it shipped back to the U.S. There were faculty members at the University of Chicago thought it unseemly for a priest to be tootling about in a Benz. His comment: (1) the price of the car in Germany exceeded the price of the last American car he had bought in Chicago by about $500 and (2) it turned out to be a lemon. He never bought another one, the revenues from his bestselling fiction notwithstanding. I knew a woman from a social register family in Rochester whose husband was fond of the brand; the division of labor in their house was such that she was the one who got stuck dealing with the repair shops; her life had considerably less aggravation in it when she persuaded her husband to switch to Volvos.

    Replies: @Jack D

  283. @Stan Adams
    @Reg Cæsar

    One day, I was in school, a teacher asked us our opinion of Steve Forbes’ flat tax.

    “Would it really be fair if everybody paid the exact same rate?” she asked.

    “Yes,” I answered.

    The light went out of her eyes.

    “You are dead wrong,” she snapped, and proceeded to rip me a new one.

    I was most fortunate that she didn’t make me wear a dunce cap and write “Steve Forbes is a smarmy prick” 100 times on the chalkboard.

    This was the same teacher who threw a pizza party in honor of O.J.’s acquittal.

    Ah, those were the days.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Joe Joe

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Joe Stalin

    Useless trivia: That man appears to be reading the 1950-11-15 issue of the Daily Worker. That particular issue does not appear to be available online but I can guess the date based on a couple of the headlines.

    The streamer headline reads Philadelphia Cops Beat Up Phone Strikers; 11 Arrested.

    On November 14, 1950, a 45-minute melee erupted between striking telephone workers and police officers in Philadelphia. Eleven strikers were arrested.

    The main headline reads Tenants Charge M'Goldrick Plan[s] to Gag Hearing.

    Also on the 14th, New York state rent administrator Joseph D. McGoldrick presided over the first of a series of public hearings on the subject of state rent control.

  284. @Mike Tre
    @Brutusale

    As a teamster without any real love for them, Sean O'Brien is a lot of things, but a twerp isn't one of them.

    He's actually more of an old school "hands on," IYKWIM, kind of president.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Then he should answer the bell. He started it with the tweet. He’ll have a chance to show that he’s not just a keyboard warrior…for charity, no less!

    Senators brawling with tribunes in the arena, a very apt piece for our late-empire period.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Brutusale

    Hey, look what it did for Justin Castreaux!

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/53844q/five-years-ago-today-justin-trudeau-beat-the-shit-out-of-a-senator

  285. @Colin Wright

    'You’re right. Our media lies. It wasn’t 40 babies – it was only 30 and they weren’t beheaded, just stabbed and shot and burned. What do you take Hamas for, monsters or something?'
     
    Last time I checked, there was one. Whether he or she was killed by Hamas, or by the Jews themselves when they counter-attacked, is unknown.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You haven’t been checking very hard. Yeah, and only 1 Jew died in the Holocaust and that was as a result of Allied bombing. The denial and lies are always the same.

    You have this all wrong. Hamas is PROUD of all the Jews that they killed. You are denying them their joy when you minimize the number that they killed.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    I notice a distinct lack of documentation.

    So far, still one. Going by Israeli sources.

  286. @Jack D
    @anyone with a brain


    As soon as Japan and Germany and now China have reindustrialised it is easy to see American cars were never good.
     
    That's not what went on at all. The US was a world leader in autos and especially in the mass production of inexpensive cars. The Germans invented the car but the Americans made it affordable to everyone. In most other countries, a car was a plaything of the rich and it was hand built by craftsmen and had a price tag to match. So yes a Mercedes was better than a Plymouth, maybe even better than a Cadillac, but you are comparing apples to oranges (or kumquats to juice oranges). Hitler initiated the Volkswagen because there was nothing in Germany that was equivalent to the affordability of a Ford or Chevy in America.

    The Japanese learned everything they knew about cars from the Americans. The first Toyota engine was a license built version of a Chevrolet motor. Eventually the pupil exceeded the teacher because they look American lessons about quality control to heart while we forgot them and focused on tail fins and marketing instead.

    Chinese cars are crap to this day.

    Replies: @Curle, @Art Deco

    “So yes a Mercedes was better than a Plymouth”

    But could you sleep comfortably overnight in the rear bench seat of a Mercedes like you could a ‘75 Duster?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Curle

    I was really thinking more about pre-WWII cars. But while the diesel Mercedes 240Ds of that era would routinely do half a million (rattly, smelly) miles without ever having to open the engine (the record was 2,850,000 miles), they were the slowest miles you could possibly imagine - 0 to 60 in forever. A Duster was a rocket compared to a 240D.

    OTOH, a Duster began to rust into nothingness about a week after the 1st time it was driven on a salted road. No Duster ever made 2.8 million miles unless it was driven a million miles/yr because somewhere around year 3 the frame would rot thru.

  287. @Curle
    @Jack D

    “So yes a Mercedes was better than a Plymouth”

    But could you sleep comfortably overnight in the rear bench seat of a Mercedes like you could a ‘75 Duster?

    Replies: @Jack D

    I was really thinking more about pre-WWII cars. But while the diesel Mercedes 240Ds of that era would routinely do half a million (rattly, smelly) miles without ever having to open the engine (the record was 2,850,000 miles), they were the slowest miles you could possibly imagine – 0 to 60 in forever. A Duster was a rocket compared to a 240D.

    OTOH, a Duster began to rust into nothingness about a week after the 1st time it was driven on a salted road. No Duster ever made 2.8 million miles unless it was driven a million miles/yr because somewhere around year 3 the frame would rot thru.

  288. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Actually they have gone up a tiny amount but have been basically stagnant on an inflation adjusted basis:

    https://www.aei.org/articles/have-wages-stagnated-for-decades-in-the-us/#:~:text=A%20startling%20fact%20is%20that,is%20correctly%20interpreted%20as%20stagnant.

    https://www.obserwatorfinansowy.pl/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Figure-1.png

    This is not some kind of Leftist propaganda. If you look at other figures like housing affordability, it's even worse. There was a time in America where an average working man could work and support his family and own a modest house and a car and mom could stay home and take care of the kids and that's just out of reach for most Americans today.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Actually they have gone up a tiny amount but have been basically stagnant on an inflation adjusted basis:
    ==
    You need to be consulting proper metrics and ask yourself if the implication of your remarks makes any sense. Have a look at the BLS data on compensation by occupation, at the BEA data on personal income, at income distribution studies, &c.

  289. @Jack D
    @anyone with a brain


    As soon as Japan and Germany and now China have reindustrialised it is easy to see American cars were never good.
     
    That's not what went on at all. The US was a world leader in autos and especially in the mass production of inexpensive cars. The Germans invented the car but the Americans made it affordable to everyone. In most other countries, a car was a plaything of the rich and it was hand built by craftsmen and had a price tag to match. So yes a Mercedes was better than a Plymouth, maybe even better than a Cadillac, but you are comparing apples to oranges (or kumquats to juice oranges). Hitler initiated the Volkswagen because there was nothing in Germany that was equivalent to the affordability of a Ford or Chevy in America.

    The Japanese learned everything they knew about cars from the Americans. The first Toyota engine was a license built version of a Chevrolet motor. Eventually the pupil exceeded the teacher because they look American lessons about quality control to heart while we forgot them and focused on tail fins and marketing instead.

    Chinese cars are crap to this day.

    Replies: @Curle, @Art Deco

    Fr. Andrew Greeley traveled to Europe for Church business in 1965 and while he was there bought a Benz in Germany and had it shipped back to the U.S. There were faculty members at the University of Chicago thought it unseemly for a priest to be tootling about in a Benz. His comment: (1) the price of the car in Germany exceeded the price of the last American car he had bought in Chicago by about $500 and (2) it turned out to be a lemon. He never bought another one, the revenues from his bestselling fiction notwithstanding. I knew a woman from a social register family in Rochester whose husband was fond of the brand; the division of labor in their house was such that she was the one who got stuck dealing with the repair shops; her life had considerably less aggravation in it when she persuaded her husband to switch to Volvos.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Back in the day it was hard to keep a European car in America because a lot of mechanics didn't know how to work on them, didn't have metric tools, parts were hard to get, etc. Overseas, Peugeots had a reputation of being tough cars that did well on rough African roads but in America they had a crappy reputation for the above reasons.

    Old Mercedes, particularly the diesels, were as close to bulletproof as any car ever built (Lexus from 20 years ago a close 2nd). As I mentioned, they lasted forever. The newer ones are full of electronic crap and otherwise overly complicated and are nightmarishly expensive to fix and maintain as the electronics break down with age.

    I'll also note that in 1965 the average American car cost maybe $3,000 so $500 was a significant premium.

    The old Volvos were very simple cars to work on with 4 cyl engines of ancient design and could be kept going for a long time but the new ones are Chinese owned crap.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Art Deco

  290. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Fr. Andrew Greeley traveled to Europe for Church business in 1965 and while he was there bought a Benz in Germany and had it shipped back to the U.S. There were faculty members at the University of Chicago thought it unseemly for a priest to be tootling about in a Benz. His comment: (1) the price of the car in Germany exceeded the price of the last American car he had bought in Chicago by about $500 and (2) it turned out to be a lemon. He never bought another one, the revenues from his bestselling fiction notwithstanding. I knew a woman from a social register family in Rochester whose husband was fond of the brand; the division of labor in their house was such that she was the one who got stuck dealing with the repair shops; her life had considerably less aggravation in it when she persuaded her husband to switch to Volvos.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Back in the day it was hard to keep a European car in America because a lot of mechanics didn’t know how to work on them, didn’t have metric tools, parts were hard to get, etc. Overseas, Peugeots had a reputation of being tough cars that did well on rough African roads but in America they had a crappy reputation for the above reasons.

    Old Mercedes, particularly the diesels, were as close to bulletproof as any car ever built (Lexus from 20 years ago a close 2nd). As I mentioned, they lasted forever. The newer ones are full of electronic crap and otherwise overly complicated and are nightmarishly expensive to fix and maintain as the electronics break down with age.

    I’ll also note that in 1965 the average American car cost maybe $3,000 so $500 was a significant premium.

    The old Volvos were very simple cars to work on with 4 cyl engines of ancient design and could be kept going for a long time but the new ones are Chinese owned crap.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    'Back in the day it was hard to keep a European car in America because...'
     
    You know, keep you away from Jews and Israel, and you're not a bad guy.
    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Chuckles. The dame I made reference to had had enough after seven years with one of those supposedly indestructible German cars. Sometimes, what you get for the expense is...the expense.

  291. @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    You haven't been checking very hard. Yeah, and only 1 Jew died in the Holocaust and that was as a result of Allied bombing. The denial and lies are always the same.

    You have this all wrong. Hamas is PROUD of all the Jews that they killed. You are denying them their joy when you minimize the number that they killed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bACNYtaLBQI

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    I notice a distinct lack of documentation.

    So far, still one. Going by Israeli sources.

  292. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Back in the day it was hard to keep a European car in America because a lot of mechanics didn't know how to work on them, didn't have metric tools, parts were hard to get, etc. Overseas, Peugeots had a reputation of being tough cars that did well on rough African roads but in America they had a crappy reputation for the above reasons.

    Old Mercedes, particularly the diesels, were as close to bulletproof as any car ever built (Lexus from 20 years ago a close 2nd). As I mentioned, they lasted forever. The newer ones are full of electronic crap and otherwise overly complicated and are nightmarishly expensive to fix and maintain as the electronics break down with age.

    I'll also note that in 1965 the average American car cost maybe $3,000 so $500 was a significant premium.

    The old Volvos were very simple cars to work on with 4 cyl engines of ancient design and could be kept going for a long time but the new ones are Chinese owned crap.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Art Deco

    ‘Back in the day it was hard to keep a European car in America because…’

    You know, keep you away from Jews and Israel, and you’re not a bad guy.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  293. @Cagey Beast
    @Hibernian

    I was reminded of this:


    The term gained further currency with “I’m Movin’ On,” a popular song of 1950 by Hank Snow that aired on the Armed Services Radio Network. Some soldier—it is not remembered who—changed the words to commemorate a major U.S. retreat.

    It was supposedly first sung by black soldiers of the 24th Infantry Regiment, and one line went, “When them Chinese mortars begin to thud, the old Deuce-Four begin to bug.” There were numerous other versions of the song, but many had the refrain, “We’re buggin’ out, We’re movin’ on.” It was renamed “Bugout Boogie” and officially forbidden but nevertheless became the unofficial anthem of the Korean conflict. From it also came the expression to pull a Hank Snow, meaning to bug out.
     
    https://www.historynet.com/fighting-words-from-the-world-wars-to-korea/

    The lyrics are here:
    "Bug Out Boogie"
    https://turkeythicket.blogspot.com/2019/02/bug-out-boogie.html

    The version I remember my father singing had it as "playin' burp gun boogie on the last guy's ass" but there are multiple versions.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Oscar Brand recorded at least two versions of this, one about the Marines, and the other the Army.

    • Thanks: Cagey Beast
  294. @Nicholas Stix
    @Corvinus

    Stupid! Is that the best you can do? You're as bad as the typical Unz Nazi.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Stupid! Is that the best you can do? You’re as bad as the typical Unz Nazi.”

    I’m just resorting to your brand of humor, which isn’t much, but sometimes one just has to slum it. You’re really good at that, I must admit.

  295. @Rich
    @dux.ie

    If these numbers were correct, they would be front page news everywhere. Biden would be visiting, Kamala would be dancing and Nobel prizes would be awarded. Very fishy.

    Replies: @dux.ie

    https://hbr.org/2002/11/the-flaw-of-averages

    The Flaw of Averages

    “Consider the case of the statistician who drowns while fording a river that he calculates is, on average, three feet deep. If he were alive to tell the tale, he would expound on the “flaw of averages,” which states, simply, that plans based on assumptions about average conditions usually go wrong. This basic but almost always unseen flaw shows up everywhere in business, distorting accounts, undermining forecasts, and dooming apparently well-considered projects to disappointing results.”

    • Replies: @Rich
    @dux.ie

    The school district you described doesn't exist. That's why your stats are wrong, not because of a clever article you read.

    Replies: @dux.ie

  296. @Hail
    @Hail

    I wonder what effect Montessori would have on the huge Asian - White test-score gap.

    The gap began emerging in the early-2000s a nd had became enormous by the mid-2010s. It is obviously (to me) a product of Asian test-prep culture, with some more-outright cheating on the margins. (I note that the traditional White-Western view is that any aggressive "test-prep" at all, for a test such as the SAT/ACT, is puzzling and vaguely considered akin to cheating.)

    According to Unsilenced Science's latest chart, the "Asian > White SAT-score gap" is now as large as the White vs. Hispanic SAT-score gap (which is approximately steady over decades).

    https://hailtoyou.files.wordpress.com/2023/11/unsilenced-science-sat-scores-by-race-to-2023.jpeg

    By some point in the 2010s, the Asian>White gap became ridiculously large, to the point of absurdity, obviously artificially large, and not getting at the point of what these tests are supposed to be about. A rule-of-thumb in intercultural relations is that "Asians don't do Western fair-play." (Alden has written about this on these pages many times.)

    Outside of people like Steve Sailer, few talk about this phenomenon, or its causes or implications. A sub-set even of the commenters here are in tacitly favor of Elite Displacement by Asians, or "not against it enough" to make any big issue of it (though Alden does, regularly, with the sharp insights of a White woman out of the tradition of the old Pacific-West who saw the interactions the peoples of Asia would do when freed to do so in a White-Protestant-oriented host-society).

    Even the longtime semi-troll Razib Khan, who himself is rather representative of this kind of Asian, says that Asianization of U.S. colleges is a bad, bad idea that no one wants. (As has been said, would even Asian Tiger-Parents and Tiger-Children want to attend an 80%-Asian "elite U.S. college," so-called? But the bigger point is the U.S. cannot have an Asian elite and remain anything like the traditional U.S.). Razib Khan had a controversial essay to this effect a few years ago, of course able to argue the point where a White m an could not (a few White women might be "able" to, such as Heather MacDonald).

    This is one of those tragedy-of-the-commons problems, unsolvable because no one is to be found advocating for White-Christian interests. An idle-thought takes me off to wonder what a hypothetical full-bore Montessorization of the entire U.S. school-system up to x age-level would do to this problem.

    Replies: @Jack D, @dux.ie

    Yes there is a Asian White SAT gap but the values of the slopes in That chart are the ILLUSION of the cooking of SAT scores by lowering the SAT ceiling by ETS in the efforts to boost the scores of Black and Hispanic.

    In UNBIAS SAT curve there will be lesser Asian with SAT 1600. By lowering the SAT ceiling, EXPONENTIALLY MORE ASIANS will have SAT 1600. The low ceiling has little effects on White SAT distribution but cut deeper into the Asian SAT distribution.

    The CREDIBILITY OF SAT is dependent on the mapping of SAT to the National Cognitive Percentile NatCog% by US CDC NCHS outside the control of ETS. The REAL SITUATIONS are that for the past few years the gaps of the 50% NatCog% (not avg SAT) for White and Asian remain FAIRLY CONSTANT, both declining slightly. But when mapping to SAT, the White SAT slope declines and the Asian SAT curve exploded.

    You are just scaring shit by yourself.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @dux.ie

    What you say is valid, Dux.

    But the effect you describe should not turn out an absolute-decline in average White-scores happening alongside an absolute-rise in average Asian-scores. The effect you describe does not explain going from Asian vs. White group-level parity ca. 2002, to a 100+ point gap by ca. 2017 (and now larger still). The widening gap in favor of Asian test-scores must be explained.

    According to Pumpkin-Person's post-2016 SAT-to-IQ conversion formula (based on percentiles mapped out to normal IQ distribution; which in theory is roughly accurate at population level):

    By the early 2020s:

    -- Asian SAT scores imply a 112 IQ average (White plus 10 IQ-points)
    and
    -- White SAT scores imply a 102 IQ average,
    and
    -- Hispanic SAT scores imply a 92/93 average (White minus 9.5 IQ-points)
    and
    -- Black SAT score simply a 89/90 IQ average (White minus 12.5 IQ-points)

    Steve Sailer got very interested recently in the "ABCD" test-score database among U.S.-resident children and teenagers. that database also showed sky-high Asian IQs based on test-scores. But there would seem to be reason to be skeptical, given that White and Asian population-level scores were about the same for so long (before the mid-2000s).

    There can be many competing theories, but we see a real effect that needs to be explained.

    Replies: @dux.ie

  297. @Joe Stalin
    @Stan Adams

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkYl_AH-qyk

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Useless trivia: That man appears to be reading the 1950-11-15 issue of the Daily Worker. That particular issue does not appear to be available online but I can guess the date based on a couple of the headlines.

    The streamer headline reads Philadelphia Cops Beat Up Phone Strikers; 11 Arrested.

    On November 14, 1950, a 45-minute melee erupted between striking telephone workers and police officers in Philadelphia. Eleven strikers were arrested.

    The main headline reads Tenants Charge M’Goldrick Plan[s] to Gag Hearing.

    Also on the 14th, New York state rent administrator Joseph D. McGoldrick presided over the first of a series of public hearings on the subject of state rent control.

  298. @mmack
    @Dmon

    Done and Dust(er)ed 👍🏻

    A Valiant effort for a joke. Let’s hope Reg doesn’t spam you in his Fury.

    Replies: @Dmon

    Reg is a hard Charger, but if he decides to be a Challenger, and starts throwing Darts, I will Dodge them. Chrys(ler), this is a tough crowd.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Dmon

    He's Reliant, K?

    Replies: @Dmon

  299. @Reg Cæsar
    @res


    I think the problem with “teaching to tests” is when it turns towards the extreme of “here are the ten questions you are going to be asked, no need to learn anything else.”
     
    I helped an immigrant or two study for the citizenship test, and found that's what I was expected to do. Our second grader could probably answer most of the questions without study, just from being in the room when her brothers watched history and geography videos, and she could learn the rest in a week if needed.

    How tough are citizenship tests in Europe, Latin America, and the rest of the Anglosphere?

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I helped an immigrant or two study for the citizenship test, and found that’s what I was expected to do. Our second grader could probably answer most of the questions without study, just from being in the room when her brothers watched history and geography videos, and she could learn the rest in a week if needed.

    And, yet, most native-born Americans wouldn’t fare too well:

    https://citizensandscholars.org/resource/national-survey-finds-just-1-in-3-americans-would-pass-citizenship-test/

    National Survey Finds Just 1 in 3 Americans Would Pass Citizenship Test

    Only 13 percent of those surveyed knew when the U.S. Constitution was ratified, even on a multiple-choice exam similar to the citizenship exam, with most incorrectly thinking it occurred in 1776. More than half of respondents (60 percent) didn’t know which countries the United States fought in World War II. And despite the recent media spotlight on the U.S. Supreme Court, 57 percent of those surveyed did not know how many Justices actually serve on the nation’s highest court.

    Seventy-two percent of respondents either incorrectly identified or were unsure of which states were part of the 13 original states;
    Only 24 percent could correctly identify one thing Benjamin Franklin was famous for, with 37 percent believing he invented the lightbulb;
    Only 24 percent knew the correct answer as to why the colonists fought the British;
    Twelve percent incorrectly thought WWII General Dwight Eisenhower led troops in the Civil War; 6 percent thought he was a Vietnam War general; and
    While most knew the cause of the Cold War, 2 percent said climate change.

    Despite the enormous struggles to demonstrate a basic understanding of American history, most respondents said U.S. history was an appealing subject during their time in school, with 40 percent noting it was their favorite and another 39 percent saying it was somewhere in the middle of favored courses of study.

    Surprisingly, the poll found stark gaps in knowledge depending on age. Those 65 years and older scored the best, with 74 percent answering at least six in 10 questions correctly. For those under the age of 45, only 19 percent passed with the exam, with 81 percent scoring a 59 percent or lower.

    On Feb. 15, 2019, Citizens & Scholars released a new survey of 41,000 Americans. The results showed that in the highest-performing state, only 53 percent of the people were able to earn a passing grade for U.S. history. People in every other state failed; in the lowest-performing state, only 27 percent were able to pass.

    Among all 50 states and the District of Columbia, Vermonters were the sole group able to pass the multiple-choice test. Even more disturbing, only 27 percent of those under the age of 45 nationally were able to demonstrate a basic understanding of American history. Nationally, only four in 10 Americans passed the exam.

    The survey found only 15 percent of American adults could correctly note the year the U.S. Constitution was written and only 25 percent knew how many amendments there are to the U.S. Constitution. Further, 25 percent did not know that freedom of speech was guaranteed under the First Amendment, and 57 percent did not know that Woodrow Wilson was the commander in chief during World War I.

  300. @res
    @Twinkie

    I think the problem with "teaching to tests" is when it turns towards the extreme of "here are the ten questions you are going to be asked, no need to learn anything else."

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie

    I think the problem with “teaching to tests” is when it turns towards the extreme of “here are the ten questions you are going to be asked, no need to learn anything else.”

    Anything taken to an extreme or absurdity is going to be counterproductive, but that’s not what the “modern” teachers object about “teaching to the test.”

  301. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk


    ...my friend decided he was smart enough to get into Cornell, and somehow he did. He got his degree there, but it wasn’t free.
     
    Regular Cornell, not the state ag school there? My step-uncle went to the latter, and ended up VP at a major condiment maker. He was pulling down a half-million when he retired, back in the 20th century. Still enjoying it at 90 or so.

    Lore is that (regular) Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get into, but the hardest to get out of-- with a degree, that is. They make you work for it.

    Scott Adams turned down Cornell to attend nearby, much humbler Hartwick. Why, you ask? He didn't want to leave school a virgin four years later! Hartwick had a nursing program. Cornell, while co-ed almost since its inception, was still 3-1 male in the mid-'70s:

    https://brancra.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/cornell_enrollment_1.png

    Next-door Ithaca College, with a major music program, may have helped a little. But nothing like Russell Sage and SUNY Potsdam's balancing of very male RPI and Clarkson, respectively.

    Replies: @Gforce, @Reg Cæsar, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous

    Scott Adams turned down Cornell to attend nearby, much humbler Hartwick. Why, you ask? He didn’t want to leave school a virgin four years later!

    I’m shocked SHOCKED that Scott Adams couldn’t manage to get himself laid in high school. This goes along with him reaching 66 without procreating, despite being married to single mothers twice.

    I will say that Penn Jillette is a genius for figuring out that the smart, unpopular girls in school are DTF.

  302. @Jack D
    @Hail


    As has been said, would even Asian Tiger-Parents and Tiger-Children want to attend an 80%-Asian “elite U.S. college,” so-called?
     
    This stupid argument has been around for over a century. In the 1920s, Lowell, the president of Harvard tried to justify a Jewish quota on the basis that "the summer hotel that is ruined by admitting Jews meets its fate, not because the Jews it admits are of bad character, but because they drive away the Gentiles, and then after the Gentiles have left, they leave also.” It was a lie then and a lie now. Stuyvesant HS in NY (the top admission by test school) is 75% Asian and Asians (and white people to the extent there are any left that still attend public schools in NY) still want to go there.

    You can rationalize all you want but "advocating for White-Christian interests" is another name for racism. You can't have it both ways - to be against a thumb on the scale for blacks vs. whites and to be FOR a thumb on the scale for whites vs. Asians.

    The Asian score gap is not the result of cheating. Learning the material that is going to be on a test is not called "cheating". It's called learning the material. The same kids who excel at learning the material for an SAT will also excel at learning the material you need to learn in order to become a doctor or a lawyer. This is why these tests exist in the 1st place. If your blood pressure is higher than your neighbors, don't blame the sphygmomanometer. Don't blame your neighbors. Look in the mirror to find the source of your problems. Blacks are always looking at others (white people) as the source of their problems. Don't be like blacks.

    If Asians are doing better than whites, figure out what they are doing and do it better and beat them at their own game. But that would require getting off your ass. Easier to just put quotas on Asians and call it a day.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    What despicable arguments. But then, look who it’s coming from.

    Quotas on Jews at Harvard were fully justifiable because Harvard grooms a society’s elite, and who wants an elite which is composed of eternally hostile foreign parasites who despise the society and people they rule over? I mean c’mon: Jews became the elite of the USA over the last 70 years, and now just look at this dump. Same thing for Asians, especially dots; you know quite well how much worse it can get, and you welcome it.

    “If Asians are doing better than whites, figure out what they are doing and do it better and beat them at their own game. But that would require getting off your ass.”

    Still waiting for Asians and Jews to make good on their incredible superiority, and rather than ram their way into Stuyvesant and the Ivy League, build prestigious Sun Yat-sen College and Tapewormstein University, compleat with generous scholarship programs for round-eyes and uncircumcised cattle.

    You guys are great at piggy-backing off of someone else’s country. If you’re so amazing, go build your own. Without $4 billion a year subsidies.

    [SPITS]

    • LOL: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    Still waiting for Asians and Jews to make good on their incredible superiority, and rather than ram their way into Stuyvesant and the Ivy League, build prestigious Sun Yat-sen College and Tapewormstein University
     
    Nah, taking over established brands is much easier than building a new one, especially if the current owners are fat and lazy.

    That said - and I write this as someone skeptical of the Chinese (to be mild about it) - the Chinese are starting to develop high caliber research institutions. Tsinghua University is now top 25 in the world: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/search

    For what it's worth, Tsinghua is now ranked 23 in the world in the US News global rankings, ahead of Northwestern and Duke. Singapore's National University of Singapore and Nanyang Universities are 26th and 30th, respectively, ahead of NYU, Washington University, and King's College London. Peking University is no. 39, ahead of UNC-Chapel Hill and UT-Austin.

    That's pretty good for countries that were dirt poor only half a century ago. Perhaps it's not a coincidence that 90+% of Chinese students who study in the U.S. go back to China today. But, don't worry, there will be plenty more Indians to make up the difference:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/indian-students-flock-to-us-colleges-offsetting-drop-from-china/ar-AA1jP9lK


    [SPITS]
     
    Gross. Don't be so Chinese, bro.
  303. @Art Deco
    @Guest007

    The School Lunch Program is a relict program which has remained in place even though the share of personal consumption expenditures devoted to meals at home has fallen from 21% (1929) to 8%. For decades, obesity has been inversely correlated with income. There was never adequate justification for enacting a federal program toward this end, bar that the states where malnutrition was most serious were run by legislators who didn't care.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar, @Guest007

    The point is that the type of student who qualifies for free lunch is probably not the type who is going to score high enough or be interested enough to joint the military. Instead of thinking on context, one has to run down a rabbit hole about a program that no Congressman other than Massie would ever consider ending.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Guest007

    Your point is stupid. A majority of school age youth qualify for the program (because the eligibility criteria are inane).
    ==
    no Congressman other than Massie would ever consider ending.
    ==
    That's almost certainly untrue. And no defense of Congress if it were true.

  304. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Back in the day it was hard to keep a European car in America because a lot of mechanics didn't know how to work on them, didn't have metric tools, parts were hard to get, etc. Overseas, Peugeots had a reputation of being tough cars that did well on rough African roads but in America they had a crappy reputation for the above reasons.

    Old Mercedes, particularly the diesels, were as close to bulletproof as any car ever built (Lexus from 20 years ago a close 2nd). As I mentioned, they lasted forever. The newer ones are full of electronic crap and otherwise overly complicated and are nightmarishly expensive to fix and maintain as the electronics break down with age.

    I'll also note that in 1965 the average American car cost maybe $3,000 so $500 was a significant premium.

    The old Volvos were very simple cars to work on with 4 cyl engines of ancient design and could be kept going for a long time but the new ones are Chinese owned crap.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Art Deco

    Chuckles. The dame I made reference to had had enough after seven years with one of those supposedly indestructible German cars. Sometimes, what you get for the expense is…the expense.

  305. @Stan Adams
    @Reg Cæsar

    One day, I was in school, a teacher asked us our opinion of Steve Forbes’ flat tax.

    “Would it really be fair if everybody paid the exact same rate?” she asked.

    “Yes,” I answered.

    The light went out of her eyes.

    “You are dead wrong,” she snapped, and proceeded to rip me a new one.

    I was most fortunate that she didn’t make me wear a dunce cap and write “Steve Forbes is a smarmy prick” 100 times on the chalkboard.

    This was the same teacher who threw a pizza party in honor of O.J.’s acquittal.

    Ah, those were the days.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Joe Joe

    OMG!!! What grade were you in when this happened???

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Joe Joe

    Fifth grade, I think. It was a gifted class. Once a week we would watch one of those "Nooz for Kidz" shows that CNN used to run at four in the morning. Then we would dutifully recite our leftist talking points.

    The O.J. pizza party was a blast. It was like Orwell's Two-Minutes Hate thing, but with love instead of hate. Yay Juice!

    Replies: @Joe Joe

  306. @Curle
    @Art Deco

    “Rude people, fat people, and badly groomed people were not.”

    I don’t know when I first started noticing all the fat people but it was well past 1970. I do recall feeling slightly judgmental standing in a cafeteria line and an obese girl purchased an ice cream cone. This was approx 1984. Rude I don’t recall until visiting NYC in the 1980s.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Cool Daddy Jimbo

    I don’t know when I first started noticing all the fat people but it was well past 1970. I do recall feeling slightly judgmental standing in a cafeteria line and an obese girl purchased an ice cream cone. This was approx 1984. Rude I don’t recall until visiting NYC in the 1980s.

    I remember the exact day. 2004, in Julian CA. I saw a young lady wearing midriff shirt that exposed her grotesque spare tire and two-inch deep belly button. And I thought, “WtF? Does she not own a mirror?”

  307. @Brutusale
    @Mike Tre

    Then he should answer the bell. He started it with the tweet. He'll have a chance to show that he's not just a keyboard warrior...for charity, no less!

    Senators brawling with tribunes in the arena, a very apt piece for our late-empire period.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  308. @dux.ie
    @Hail

    Yes there is a Asian White SAT gap but the values of the slopes in That chart are the ILLUSION of the cooking of SAT scores by lowering the SAT ceiling by ETS in the efforts to boost the scores of Black and Hispanic.

    In UNBIAS SAT curve there will be lesser Asian with SAT 1600. By lowering the SAT ceiling, EXPONENTIALLY MORE ASIANS will have SAT 1600. The low ceiling has little effects on White SAT distribution but cut deeper into the Asian SAT distribution.

    The CREDIBILITY OF SAT is dependent on the mapping of SAT to the National Cognitive Percentile NatCog% by US CDC NCHS outside the control of ETS. The REAL SITUATIONS are that for the past few years the gaps of the 50% NatCog% (not avg SAT) for White and Asian remain FAIRLY CONSTANT, both declining slightly. But when mapping to SAT, the White SAT slope declines and the Asian SAT curve exploded.

    You are just scaring shit by yourself.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F17wpdXaEAYlfgU.png

    Replies: @Hail

    What you say is valid, Dux.

    But the effect you describe should not turn out an absolute-decline in average White-scores happening alongside an absolute-rise in average Asian-scores. The effect you describe does not explain going from Asian vs. White group-level parity ca. 2002, to a 100+ point gap by ca. 2017 (and now larger still). The widening gap in favor of Asian test-scores must be explained.

    According to Pumpkin-Person’s post-2016 SAT-to-IQ conversion formula (based on percentiles mapped out to normal IQ distribution; which in theory is roughly accurate at population level):

    By the early 2020s:

    — Asian SAT scores imply a 112 IQ average (White plus 10 IQ-points)
    and
    — White SAT scores imply a 102 IQ average,
    and
    — Hispanic SAT scores imply a 92/93 average (White minus 9.5 IQ-points)
    and
    — Black SAT score simply a 89/90 IQ average (White minus 12.5 IQ-points)

    Steve Sailer got very interested recently in the “ABCD” test-score database among U.S.-resident children and teenagers. that database also showed sky-high Asian IQs based on test-scores. But there would seem to be reason to be skeptical, given that White and Asian population-level scores were about the same for so long (before the mid-2000s).

    There can be many competing theories, but we see a real effect that needs to be explained.

    • Replies: @dux.ie
    @Hail

    If you believe that guy then what I said are beyond you.

    The only VALID SCALE is the OFFICIAL US CDC National Cognitive Percentile, the validity of SAT DEPENDS ON THAT and ETS cooked the mapping by low SAT ceiling and THERE IS NO LOW CEILING IN NatCog%. The TRUE IQs from the NatCog% for both White and Asian drop slightly over the past few years.

  309. @Joe Joe
    @Stan Adams

    OMG!!! What grade were you in when this happened???

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Fifth grade, I think. It was a gifted class. Once a week we would watch one of those “Nooz for Kidz” shows that CNN used to run at four in the morning. Then we would dutifully recite our leftist talking points.

    The O.J. pizza party was a blast. It was like Orwell’s Two-Minutes Hate thing, but with love instead of hate. Yay Juice!

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Joe Joe
    @Stan Adams

    you must be considerably younger than me because my 5th grade gifted class stuck to education, not indoctrination :-)

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  310. @Hail
    @dux.ie

    What you say is valid, Dux.

    But the effect you describe should not turn out an absolute-decline in average White-scores happening alongside an absolute-rise in average Asian-scores. The effect you describe does not explain going from Asian vs. White group-level parity ca. 2002, to a 100+ point gap by ca. 2017 (and now larger still). The widening gap in favor of Asian test-scores must be explained.

    According to Pumpkin-Person's post-2016 SAT-to-IQ conversion formula (based on percentiles mapped out to normal IQ distribution; which in theory is roughly accurate at population level):

    By the early 2020s:

    -- Asian SAT scores imply a 112 IQ average (White plus 10 IQ-points)
    and
    -- White SAT scores imply a 102 IQ average,
    and
    -- Hispanic SAT scores imply a 92/93 average (White minus 9.5 IQ-points)
    and
    -- Black SAT score simply a 89/90 IQ average (White minus 12.5 IQ-points)

    Steve Sailer got very interested recently in the "ABCD" test-score database among U.S.-resident children and teenagers. that database also showed sky-high Asian IQs based on test-scores. But there would seem to be reason to be skeptical, given that White and Asian population-level scores were about the same for so long (before the mid-2000s).

    There can be many competing theories, but we see a real effect that needs to be explained.

    Replies: @dux.ie

    If you believe that guy then what I said are beyond you.

    The only VALID SCALE is the OFFICIAL US CDC National Cognitive Percentile, the validity of SAT DEPENDS ON THAT and ETS cooked the mapping by low SAT ceiling and THERE IS NO LOW CEILING IN NatCog%. The TRUE IQs from the NatCog% for both White and Asian drop slightly over the past few years.

  311. @Guest007
    @Art Deco

    The point is that the type of student who qualifies for free lunch is probably not the type who is going to score high enough or be interested enough to joint the military. Instead of thinking on context, one has to run down a rabbit hole about a program that no Congressman other than Massie would ever consider ending.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Your point is stupid. A majority of school age youth qualify for the program (because the eligibility criteria are inane).
    ==
    no Congressman other than Massie would ever consider ending.
    ==
    That’s almost certainly untrue. And no defense of Congress if it were true.

  312. @HammerJack
    @Dmon

    That's not a Plymouth, sonny!

    https://cdn2.mecum.com/auctions/bb0213/bb0213-146934/images/bb0213-146934_1.jpg?1361312177000

    That's a Plymouth!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    The Duster’s much cooler. Or, is it a Roadrunner?

    • Replies: @mmack
    @Achmed E. Newman

    ‘Tis a Duster Achmed:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/1970_Plymouth_Valiant_Duster_340_%2827366262585%29_%28cropped%29.jpg

    The Duster was based on the Plymouth Valiant / Dodge Dart compact platform.

    The Plymouth Road Runner (meep-meep) was based on the Plymouth Satellite / Dodge Coronet mid sized platform:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/1970_Plymouth_Roadrunner_%2828861705343%29.jpg

    Your iSteve Muscle Car moment.

  313. @dux.ie
    @Rich

    https://hbr.org/2002/11/the-flaw-of-averages

    The Flaw of Averages

    "Consider the case of the statistician who drowns while fording a river that he calculates is, on average, three feet deep. If he were alive to tell the tale, he would expound on the “flaw of averages,” which states, simply, that plans based on assumptions about average conditions usually go wrong. This basic but almost always unseen flaw shows up everywhere in business, distorting accounts, undermining forecasts, and dooming apparently well-considered projects to disappointing results."

    Replies: @Rich

    The school district you described doesn’t exist. That’s why your stats are wrong, not because of a clever article you read.

    • Replies: @dux.ie
    @Rich

    The data are from the OFFICIAL NYC Dept of Edu and who are you??

    Pull your head out from your rear to see the world. You just proved the point.

    The Black better than White districts mentioned have total 156 schools too numerous to list here.

    For District 17 alone:

    https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000044895 "SCHOOLS IN NYC GEOG DIST #17 - BROOKLYN"

    Replies: @Rich

  314. My high school diploma has a little gold seal on the bottom left corner which states: “With Honor Regents Endorsement” (indicating an average score of 90% or higher on the Regents Exams).

    I guess they won’t be giving them out anymore…

  315. @Rich
    @dux.ie

    The school district you described doesn't exist. That's why your stats are wrong, not because of a clever article you read.

    Replies: @dux.ie

    The data are from the OFFICIAL NYC Dept of Edu and who are you??

    Pull your head out from your rear to see the world. You just proved the point.

    The Black better than White districts mentioned have total 156 schools too numerous to list here.

    For District 17 alone:

    https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000044895 “SCHOOLS IN NYC GEOG DIST #17 – BROOKLYN”

    • Replies: @Rich
    @dux.ie

    Look at your own link, there are almost no White kids in the district. 4% of the kids are "White'. How many White parents do you think would send their kids to a school that is 96% minority? They are either disabled kids enrolled for city services, or recent immigrants calling themselves "White". I grew up in NYC, no White kids go the schools in the district you cite.

    So, who are you?

    Replies: @res, @dux.ie

  316. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    What despicable arguments. But then, look who it's coming from.

    Quotas on Jews at Harvard were fully justifiable because Harvard grooms a society's elite, and who wants an elite which is composed of eternally hostile foreign parasites who despise the society and people they rule over? I mean c'mon: Jews became the elite of the USA over the last 70 years, and now just look at this dump. Same thing for Asians, especially dots; you know quite well how much worse it can get, and you welcome it.

    "If Asians are doing better than whites, figure out what they are doing and do it better and beat them at their own game. But that would require getting off your ass."

    Still waiting for Asians and Jews to make good on their incredible superiority, and rather than ram their way into Stuyvesant and the Ivy League, build prestigious Sun Yat-sen College and Tapewormstein University, compleat with generous scholarship programs for round-eyes and uncircumcised cattle.

    You guys are great at piggy-backing off of someone else's country. If you're so amazing, go build your own. Without $4 billion a year subsidies.

    [SPITS]

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Still waiting for Asians and Jews to make good on their incredible superiority, and rather than ram their way into Stuyvesant and the Ivy League, build prestigious Sun Yat-sen College and Tapewormstein University

    Nah, taking over established brands is much easier than building a new one, especially if the current owners are fat and lazy.

    That said – and I write this as someone skeptical of the Chinese (to be mild about it) – the Chinese are starting to develop high caliber research institutions. Tsinghua University is now top 25 in the world: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/search

    For what it’s worth, Tsinghua is now ranked 23 in the world in the US News global rankings, ahead of Northwestern and Duke. Singapore’s National University of Singapore and Nanyang Universities are 26th and 30th, respectively, ahead of NYU, Washington University, and King’s College London. Peking University is no. 39, ahead of UNC-Chapel Hill and UT-Austin.

    That’s pretty good for countries that were dirt poor only half a century ago. Perhaps it’s not a coincidence that 90+% of Chinese students who study in the U.S. go back to China today. But, don’t worry, there will be plenty more Indians to make up the difference:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/indian-students-flock-to-us-colleges-offsetting-drop-from-china/ar-AA1jP9lK

    [SPITS]

    Gross. Don’t be so Chinese, bro.

  317. @Achmed E. Newman
    @HammerJack

    The Duster's much cooler. Or, is it a Roadrunner?

    Replies: @mmack

    ‘Tis a Duster Achmed:

    The Duster was based on the Plymouth Valiant / Dodge Dart compact platform.

    The Plymouth Road Runner (meep-meep) was based on the Plymouth Satellite / Dodge Coronet mid sized platform:

    Your iSteve Muscle Car moment.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  318. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D


    '...You can rationalize all you want but “advocating for White-Christian interests” is another name for racism...'
     
    What's advocating for Jewish interests, Jack?

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    Destiny?

  319. @Dmon
    @mmack

    Reg is a hard Charger, but if he decides to be a Challenger, and starts throwing Darts, I will Dodge them. Chrys(ler), this is a tough crowd.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    He’s Reliant, K?

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Mike Tre

    Thanks. That's mo' par for the course.

  320. @dux.ie
    @Rich

    The data are from the OFFICIAL NYC Dept of Edu and who are you??

    Pull your head out from your rear to see the world. You just proved the point.

    The Black better than White districts mentioned have total 156 schools too numerous to list here.

    For District 17 alone:

    https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000044895 "SCHOOLS IN NYC GEOG DIST #17 - BROOKLYN"

    Replies: @Rich

    Look at your own link, there are almost no White kids in the district. 4% of the kids are “White’. How many White parents do you think would send their kids to a school that is 96% minority? They are either disabled kids enrolled for city services, or recent immigrants calling themselves “White”. I grew up in NYC, no White kids go the schools in the district you cite.

    So, who are you?

    • Replies: @res
    @Rich

    There is better district enrollment data here (has by grade and race).
    https://www.p12.nysed.gov/irs/statistics/enroll-n-staff/home.html

    Looking at district 17 for grade 8 in 2021-2022 we see enrollments of

    American Indian/Alaska Native 20
    Black 1064
    Hispanic 262
    Asian/Pacific Islander 38
    White 36
    Multiracial 16

    Looking at the district 17 2022 grade 8 math results we see the number of test takers and mean scores.

    Asian 30 592.7
    Black 718 595.0
    Hispanic 226 592.1
    Multi-Racial 8 607.1
    Native American 17 590.9
    White 34 590.3

    So 34/36 whites and 718/1064 blacks took the test. Amazing what excluding a third of the students can do for average test scores. Check out the Asian results as well.

    I think that explains things. I ask again, who is supposed to take these tests? I thought it was everyone.

    That's not the whole explanation though. Your point stands and I think the percentage scoring level 4 (top) confirms it at 2.9% for whites and 8.6% for blacks.

    Replies: @Rich, @res

    , @dux.ie
    @Rich

    The NYC Dept of Edu disagrees with you. Now go away.

  321. @dux.ie
    @res

    Elsewhere some1 asserted that in no US district where Black Schools beat White Schools. From https://infohub.nyced.org/reports/academics/test-results the data just prove that is wrong.
    https://twitter.com/dux_ie/status/1724291822476837097

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Rich, @res

    Could you please include the school DBNs in your analysis? I am seeing different results. I looked at 8th grade math 2022 results as you did. The school I see with blacks performing best relative to whites is
    11X326 BRONX GREEN MIDDLE SCHOOL
    with the following scores
    DBN | Mean.Score.Asian| Mean.Score.Black| Mean.Score.Hispanic| Mean.Score.Native American| Mean.Score.White| Mean.Score.Multi-Racial| WBDiff
    11X326 | NA| 583.8235| 585.0204| NA| 574.6667| NA| -9.1568604

    Seems rather strange that whites score 9-10 points below both blacks and Hispanics. Looking at NCES data here
    https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/school_detail.asp?Search=1&Zip=10464&Miles=5&SchoolPageNum=7&ID=360008805953
    I see B/H/W enrollment of 85/223/33 (for grades 6-8).

    In the NY test data I see number taking the test of 17/49/12 for B/H/W (grade 8 in 2022 only).
    Even more interesting, for the ELA test takers I see 26/29/11 test takers.

    I wonder how they choose who takes the tests? I thought everyone (with some ELL exceptions) was supposed to take these tests?

    Another thing I find surprising is how few schools have data for both white and black students (5 or fewer tested means the data is suppressed). In this case only 36 of 367 by my count.

    P.S. Steve, if you’d like a list of schools I see with blacks scoring better than whites (or something similar) just reply here.

    P.P.S. Now I see, you looked at districts not schools. The district numbers are in your table. Perhaps better to do that since it lessens the data suppression. More in a follow on comment.

    • Replies: @dux.ie
    @res

    The question posted from elsewhere was on DISTRICT so I quote the district data. For school data I previously did for 2018 where top Black maj school better than 39/45 White maj school. That is on whole school, cannot blame the student number and a White maj school with only 18% poverty was right at the bottom. Can't blame that on poverty. It is fairer to compare the best with the best. If private White Yiddish schools are included the results will be worse. Check NYT article on ENTIRE YIDDISH SCHOOL FAILED STANDARD TEST.

    Replies: @res

  322. @Rich
    @dux.ie

    Look at your own link, there are almost no White kids in the district. 4% of the kids are "White'. How many White parents do you think would send their kids to a school that is 96% minority? They are either disabled kids enrolled for city services, or recent immigrants calling themselves "White". I grew up in NYC, no White kids go the schools in the district you cite.

    So, who are you?

    Replies: @res, @dux.ie

    There is better district enrollment data here (has by grade and race).
    https://www.p12.nysed.gov/irs/statistics/enroll-n-staff/home.html

    Looking at district 17 for grade 8 in 2021-2022 we see enrollments of

    American Indian/Alaska Native 20
    Black 1064
    Hispanic 262
    Asian/Pacific Islander 38
    White 36
    Multiracial 16

    Looking at the district 17 2022 grade 8 math results we see the number of test takers and mean scores.

    Asian 30 592.7
    Black 718 595.0
    Hispanic 226 592.1
    Multi-Racial 8 607.1
    Native American 17 590.9
    White 34 590.3

    So 34/36 whites and 718/1064 blacks took the test. Amazing what excluding a third of the students can do for average test scores. Check out the Asian results as well.

    I think that explains things. I ask again, who is supposed to take these tests? I thought it was everyone.

    That’s not the whole explanation though. Your point stands and I think the percentage scoring level 4 (top) confirms it at 2.9% for whites and 8.6% for blacks.

    • Replies: @Rich
    @res

    The "White" students who live in this area are Arabic. There may be an Albanian Muslim or two who live there, too.

    , @res
    @res

    This article discusses students opting out of the 2022 tests for grades 3-8 in NY.
    https://nypost.com/2023/03/11/state-test-scores-worse-than-they-seem-analysis-finds/


    Statewide, 211,043 kids — 18.5% of 1,140,929 eligible students — did not sit for the state’s math exams, according to publicly reported data. More than 213,000 elementary and middle-school students, or 18.7%, opted out of the 2022 ELA tests or had medical or other exemptions.

    The 2022 “Not Tested” rate was slightly higher than the 17% seen in 2019, before pandemic school closures upended New York’s standardized testing schedule.

    “This year, some school districts had half to three-fourths of students opting out,” an education insider told The Post.
     
  323. @res
    @Rich

    There is better district enrollment data here (has by grade and race).
    https://www.p12.nysed.gov/irs/statistics/enroll-n-staff/home.html

    Looking at district 17 for grade 8 in 2021-2022 we see enrollments of

    American Indian/Alaska Native 20
    Black 1064
    Hispanic 262
    Asian/Pacific Islander 38
    White 36
    Multiracial 16

    Looking at the district 17 2022 grade 8 math results we see the number of test takers and mean scores.

    Asian 30 592.7
    Black 718 595.0
    Hispanic 226 592.1
    Multi-Racial 8 607.1
    Native American 17 590.9
    White 34 590.3

    So 34/36 whites and 718/1064 blacks took the test. Amazing what excluding a third of the students can do for average test scores. Check out the Asian results as well.

    I think that explains things. I ask again, who is supposed to take these tests? I thought it was everyone.

    That's not the whole explanation though. Your point stands and I think the percentage scoring level 4 (top) confirms it at 2.9% for whites and 8.6% for blacks.

    Replies: @Rich, @res

    The “White” students who live in this area are Arabic. There may be an Albanian Muslim or two who live there, too.

  324. @Rich
    @dux.ie

    Look at your own link, there are almost no White kids in the district. 4% of the kids are "White'. How many White parents do you think would send their kids to a school that is 96% minority? They are either disabled kids enrolled for city services, or recent immigrants calling themselves "White". I grew up in NYC, no White kids go the schools in the district you cite.

    So, who are you?

    Replies: @res, @dux.ie

    The NYC Dept of Edu disagrees with you. Now go away.

    • Disagree: Rich
  325. @res
    @dux.ie

    Could you please include the school DBNs in your analysis? I am seeing different results. I looked at 8th grade math 2022 results as you did. The school I see with blacks performing best relative to whites is
    11X326 BRONX GREEN MIDDLE SCHOOL
    with the following scores
    DBN | Mean.Score.Asian| Mean.Score.Black| Mean.Score.Hispanic| Mean.Score.Native American| Mean.Score.White| Mean.Score.Multi-Racial| WBDiff
    11X326 | NA| 583.8235| 585.0204| NA| 574.6667| NA| -9.1568604

    Seems rather strange that whites score 9-10 points below both blacks and Hispanics. Looking at NCES data here
    https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolsearch/school_detail.asp?Search=1&Zip=10464&Miles=5&SchoolPageNum=7&ID=360008805953
    I see B/H/W enrollment of 85/223/33 (for grades 6-8).

    In the NY test data I see number taking the test of 17/49/12 for B/H/W (grade 8 in 2022 only).
    Even more interesting, for the ELA test takers I see 26/29/11 test takers.

    I wonder how they choose who takes the tests? I thought everyone (with some ELL exceptions) was supposed to take these tests?

    Another thing I find surprising is how few schools have data for both white and black students (5 or fewer tested means the data is suppressed). In this case only 36 of 367 by my count.

    P.S. Steve, if you'd like a list of schools I see with blacks scoring better than whites (or something similar) just reply here.

    P.P.S. Now I see, you looked at districts not schools. The district numbers are in your table. Perhaps better to do that since it lessens the data suppression. More in a follow on comment.

    Replies: @dux.ie

    The question posted from elsewhere was on DISTRICT so I quote the district data. For school data I previously did for 2018 where top Black maj school better than 39/45 White maj school. That is on whole school, cannot blame the student number and a White maj school with only 18% poverty was right at the bottom. Can’t blame that on poverty. It is fairer to compare the best with the best. If private White Yiddish schools are included the results will be worse. Check NYT article on ENTIRE YIDDISH SCHOOL FAILED STANDARD TEST.

    • Replies: @res
    @dux.ie

    What is your take on the large numbers of blacks who aren't taking the tests? I think that calls the validity of the numbers (for making group comparisons) into question.

  326. @res
    @Rich

    There is better district enrollment data here (has by grade and race).
    https://www.p12.nysed.gov/irs/statistics/enroll-n-staff/home.html

    Looking at district 17 for grade 8 in 2021-2022 we see enrollments of

    American Indian/Alaska Native 20
    Black 1064
    Hispanic 262
    Asian/Pacific Islander 38
    White 36
    Multiracial 16

    Looking at the district 17 2022 grade 8 math results we see the number of test takers and mean scores.

    Asian 30 592.7
    Black 718 595.0
    Hispanic 226 592.1
    Multi-Racial 8 607.1
    Native American 17 590.9
    White 34 590.3

    So 34/36 whites and 718/1064 blacks took the test. Amazing what excluding a third of the students can do for average test scores. Check out the Asian results as well.

    I think that explains things. I ask again, who is supposed to take these tests? I thought it was everyone.

    That's not the whole explanation though. Your point stands and I think the percentage scoring level 4 (top) confirms it at 2.9% for whites and 8.6% for blacks.

    Replies: @Rich, @res

    This article discusses students opting out of the 2022 tests for grades 3-8 in NY.
    https://nypost.com/2023/03/11/state-test-scores-worse-than-they-seem-analysis-finds/

    Statewide, 211,043 kids — 18.5% of 1,140,929 eligible students — did not sit for the state’s math exams, according to publicly reported data. More than 213,000 elementary and middle-school students, or 18.7%, opted out of the 2022 ELA tests or had medical or other exemptions.

    The 2022 “Not Tested” rate was slightly higher than the 17% seen in 2019, before pandemic school closures upended New York’s standardized testing schedule.

    “This year, some school districts had half to three-fourths of students opting out,” an education insider told The Post.

  327. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/11/nyregion/hasidic-yeshivas-schools-new-york.html (could be wrong URL, behind paywall cannot check)

    The Hasidic Jewish community has long operated one of New York’s largest private schools on its own terms, resisting any outside scrutiny of how its students are faring.

    But in 2019, the school, the Central United Talmudical Academy, agreed to give state standardized tests in reading and math to more than 1,000 students.

    Every one of them failed.

    The latter year results ARE DISTORTED/FLATTEN BY GOV POLICIES. By giving a fixed % to minority, the meritocartic cutoffs SHSAT to the ELite8 have increased. Some of those under the old sys expected to be able to qualify ARE NOW EXCLUDED and they have better odds transferring to those lesser schools trying to get in from the % allocated. THAT IS WHY THE PREV TOP JUNIOR SCH CHRISTA MCAULIFFE NOW DROPS TO RANK 6. The stupid harebrained gov policies are like trying to grasp water, contaminate the elite schools with tragic dirts.
    ~

  328. @Mike Tre
    @Dmon

    He's Reliant, K?

    Replies: @Dmon

    Thanks. That’s mo’ par for the course.

  329. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk


    ...my friend decided he was smart enough to get into Cornell, and somehow he did. He got his degree there, but it wasn’t free.
     
    Regular Cornell, not the state ag school there? My step-uncle went to the latter, and ended up VP at a major condiment maker. He was pulling down a half-million when he retired, back in the 20th century. Still enjoying it at 90 or so.

    Lore is that (regular) Cornell is the easiest Ivy to get into, but the hardest to get out of-- with a degree, that is. They make you work for it.

    Scott Adams turned down Cornell to attend nearby, much humbler Hartwick. Why, you ask? He didn't want to leave school a virgin four years later! Hartwick had a nursing program. Cornell, while co-ed almost since its inception, was still 3-1 male in the mid-'70s:

    https://brancra.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/cornell_enrollment_1.png

    Next-door Ithaca College, with a major music program, may have helped a little. But nothing like Russell Sage and SUNY Potsdam's balancing of very male RPI and Clarkson, respectively.

    Replies: @Gforce, @Reg Cæsar, @ScarletNumber, @Anonymous

    Scott Adams turned down Cornell

    We’re going to need some evidence that Scott Adams was admitted to Cornell.

  330. @Stan Adams
    @Joe Joe

    Fifth grade, I think. It was a gifted class. Once a week we would watch one of those "Nooz for Kidz" shows that CNN used to run at four in the morning. Then we would dutifully recite our leftist talking points.

    The O.J. pizza party was a blast. It was like Orwell's Two-Minutes Hate thing, but with love instead of hate. Yay Juice!

    Replies: @Joe Joe

    you must be considerably younger than me because my 5th grade gifted class stuck to education, not indoctrination 🙂

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Joe Joe

    Here is one of my actual assignments from fifth grade. I had to write an essay about “global understanding”:

    https://i.ibb.co/jW0bJKN/E45-D4277-9-FB4-4-F98-BCA8-CB6364403-D9-F.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/tPV6mMh/77-CB3-E1-E-CA07-4-F4-B-B9-B6-DD772-D301-A99.jpg

    And here’s a picture I drew:

    https://i.ibb.co/0rJkKtB/C1035774-235-A-491-C-8-D81-8-FB70-CECDAD6.jpg

    Replies: @Joe Joe

  331. Speaking of competency, you all should read Jared Taylor’s scary article on what the FAA has done to air traffic control in the name of DEI. https://www.unz.com/jtaylor/think-twice-before-you-fly/

    They junked their long time predictive test in 2014 because not enough POCs were passing and substituted a personality test where they asked if you played sports and such. The black ATC union gave the answers to black test takers. Many of them passed, but then flunked out of ATC school.

    Now the FAA is short 1000+ controllers and near misses at airports are at an all time high. One of these days a near miss will turn into a mid-air and hundreds of people will die. But like the Army guy said after Major Hassan killed and wounded scores 10 or so years ago, it’s important that this not distract us from diversity.

  332. @dux.ie
    @res

    The question posted from elsewhere was on DISTRICT so I quote the district data. For school data I previously did for 2018 where top Black maj school better than 39/45 White maj school. That is on whole school, cannot blame the student number and a White maj school with only 18% poverty was right at the bottom. Can't blame that on poverty. It is fairer to compare the best with the best. If private White Yiddish schools are included the results will be worse. Check NYT article on ENTIRE YIDDISH SCHOOL FAILED STANDARD TEST.

    Replies: @res

    What is your take on the large numbers of blacks who aren’t taking the tests? I think that calls the validity of the numbers (for making group comparisons) into question.

  333. @Joe Joe
    @Stan Adams

    you must be considerably younger than me because my 5th grade gifted class stuck to education, not indoctrination :-)

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Here is one of my actual assignments from fifth grade. I had to write an essay about “global understanding”:

    And here’s a picture I drew:

    • Replies: @Joe Joe
    @Stan Adams

    Awesome! But I'm sorry you had to suffer through all that wokeness at such a young age :-(
    Back in my grade school days the only wokeness we dealt with was "We are the World" and "Hands across America" ;-)

  334. @Stan Adams
    @Joe Joe

    Here is one of my actual assignments from fifth grade. I had to write an essay about “global understanding”:

    https://i.ibb.co/jW0bJKN/E45-D4277-9-FB4-4-F98-BCA8-CB6364403-D9-F.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/tPV6mMh/77-CB3-E1-E-CA07-4-F4-B-B9-B6-DD772-D301-A99.jpg

    And here’s a picture I drew:

    https://i.ibb.co/0rJkKtB/C1035774-235-A-491-C-8-D81-8-FB70-CECDAD6.jpg

    Replies: @Joe Joe

    Awesome! But I’m sorry you had to suffer through all that wokeness at such a young age 🙁
    Back in my grade school days the only wokeness we dealt with was “We are the World” and “Hands across America” 😉

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