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In Dune, computers don’t exist anymore due to the old Butlerian Jihad against thinking machines. Are we heading toward our own Butlerian Jihad against artificial intelligence for it’s tendency to be the little boy who points out that the emperor has no clothes on embarrassing questions of race. From Futurism:

Scientists Built an AI to Give Ethical Advice, But It Turned Out Super Racist

The bot is supposed to offer descriptive ethical advice, but some say it does more harm than good.

by TONY TRAN

We’ve all been in situations where we had to make tough ethical decisions. Why not dodge that pesky responsibility by outsourcing the choice to a machine learning algorithm?

That’s the idea behind Ask Delphi, a machine-learning model from the Allen Institute for AI …

The project launched last week, and has subsequently gone viral online for seemingly all the wrong reasons. Much of the advice and judgements it’s given have been… fraught, to say the least.

For example, when a user asked Delphi what it thought about “a white man walking towards you at night,” it responded “It’s okay.”

But when they asked what the AI thought about “a black man walking towards you at night” its answer was clearly racist. …

“It’s concerning.”

 
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  1. “It’s concerning.”

    Only “concerning”? Delphi needs to get out more often.

    • LOL: Moses
  2. Ah, isn’t Alec Baldwin’s murdering of a “film crew member” worth opining on? He was a quite vociferous “critic” of Donald Trump son of Màiri MacLeòid of Leòdhas.

    Globalism uber alles Alec.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Coemgen

    Your comment has nothing to do with reality. If he was a conservative you would be mourning. You people are so transparent.

    , @epebble
    @Coemgen

    Involuntary manslaughter, not murder.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Pericles, @Alden

    , @Lisboa anon
    @Coemgen

    Sailer is above tabloid-level sensationalism, Baldwin has been great as slide threads on /pol/ though.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @AndrewR
    @Coemgen

    You expect Sailer to comment on a story that normal people might care about? Odd...

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @Coemgen

    Steve's more interested in nine irons than shootin' irons, I believe.

    , @mulga mumblebrain
    @Coemgen

    It's just daft to call it 'murder'.

    Replies: @Coemgen

  3. LOL! Concerning, indeed.

  4. “…but some say it does more harm than good…”.

    The same has been argued regarding grief counseling, old-fashioned human-to-human style. For example, let’s say there’s a shooting at school. In rush the grief counsellors. For some or perhaps most students, a would-be minor and transitory bereavement reaction is magnified by the self-important expert. So goes the critique. But it’s hard to question the merit of a credentialed counselor in a scarf.

  5. True fact: AI NEVER speak forked tongue.

    • LOL: El Dato
  6. “ Much of the advice and judgements it’s given have been… fraught, to say the least.”

    I guess “fraught” is now a synonym for “accurate”? It’s like how “nonplussed” now basically means the opposite of what it used to mean.

  7. Isaac Asimov’s “Three Laws of Robotics” just got a lot more complicated

    • LOL: John Johnson, Escher
  8. The author of that article had little to say about the concerning input of older Asian people in diverse neighborhoods.

  9. by TONY TRAN

    Is Caitlyn moonlighting? She lost the recall.

    …fraught, to say the least.

    Good album title. I’ll suggest it to the Racial Overtones.

    Butlerian Jihad = Jail a hurt Biden.

    After all, he is the Dune-nothing President.

    • LOL: fish, Escher
  10. anon[416] • Disclaimer says:

    Now, predictive-policing companies are starting to rebrand and rethink their products, focusing less on “forecasting” crime and more on tracking cops, both to provide more oversight and to learn what behaviors correlate to reduced crime.

    From WSJ…basically, it worked, but everyone hated it for working. Because, its usually the usual suspects.

  11. Apparently Delphi reads iSteve.

  12. And truth (as brought forth by AI) shall make you free!

  13. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:

    Chapter 9 of Michael Levin’s book Why Race Matters is an extended philosophical justification of fleeing from a black who appears in your vicinity at night

    Suppose, then, that jogging alone after dark, you see a young black male ahead of you standing on the running track, not dressed in a jogging outfit and displaying no other information-bearing trait. Knowing nothing else about him, you must set the likelihood of his being a felon at .3….

    [S]ince whatever factors affect the probability of a felon attacking you — the isolation, your vulnerability, the chances that you carry money—are presumably invariant, the all-in probability of the white attacking likewise falls further when circumstances are considered. It remains rational to be more wary of the black.

    [MORE]

    The jogger case is not a contrivance to make a philosophical point. Many real-life situations resemble this one in requiring instant decisions. A woman is alone on an elevator, the door opens, a black male enters. Should she step out? A man alone in a subway car sees four black teenagers get on. Stay or go? Should a store owner keep a sharper eye on a black shopper about whom he knows nothing except his race? Should cab drivers be more reluctant to pick up black males, especially young ones? In these situations, race, sex and age are the only variables to go on. In each case it is rational to be more wary of blacks.

    In fact, the analogy between race and sex brought out by these cases is very strong. Females are known to be much more law-abiding than males, so you will see three teenage girls walking toward you late at night as less dangerous than three teenage boys. I daresay no one would deny that it is rational and sensible for a female hitchhiker to shun a ride with a male but accept one from another female. Anyone who denies the rationality and prudence of discriminating by race in the running track, elevator, shop, subway, and taxi cases must explain why it is worse than discriminating by sex in the hitchhiker case….

    This inequality is of practical importance because rational conduct requires policies, general rules adopted in advance to cover all cases of a given sort. (While adherence to policies guarantees a few costly errors, the long-run cost of trying to decide each case on its merits is greater.) Even if the chance of attack in a single case is slight, the chance of attack sooner or later becomes ponderable more quickly if one avoids blacks no more frequently than one avoids whites. The extreme undesirability of even one attack thus warrants a _policy_ of greater caution toward blacks.

    But race is not a cause or an effect of crime, or — let us grant for now — a coeffect along with crime of some underlying cause. The felt “unfairness” of race-consciousness is due in part to this causal irrelevance. Reply: the assumed causal independence of race and crime still leaves race its predictive value, and it is predictive value that warrants use of a trait in screening….

    It follows that race-conscious safety seeking is permissible whether or not black crime is due to white misdeeds. That the black male on the running track is more likely to attack the jogger because of discrimination or the jogger’s suspicions of blacks does not diminish the jogger’s right to escape danger.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • LOL: Gabe Ruth
  14. When asked for advice on race, Ask Delphi printed out Derbyshire’s “The Talk: Non-Black Version.”

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  15. @Coemgen
    Ah, isn't Alec Baldwin's murdering of a "film crew member" worth opining on? He was a quite vociferous "critic" of Donald Trump son of Màiri MacLeòid of Leòdhas.

    Globalism uber alles Alec.

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @epebble, @Lisboa anon, @AndrewR, @Expletive Deleted, @mulga mumblebrain

    Your comment has nothing to do with reality. If he was a conservative you would be mourning. You people are so transparent.

    • LOL: Wade Hampton
  16. “Alexa, I am a white guy. Should I take the train to Woodlawn?”

    “Yes, you should go to Woodlawn.”

  17. Oh boy, this thing is fun. I’ve run some random things through it, and I’m interested in the degree of severity of response that I’ve got back. A lot of “it’s not ok,” but some interesting “it’s wrong” responses.

    Making out with a married woman who wants to? It’s fine.

    Making out with your cousin? It’s wrong.

    Watching violent movies? It’s wrong.

    So, uh, I guess it’s not keen on violent movies??

    Eating half a pumpkin pie? It’s understandable.

  18. @Coemgen
    Ah, isn't Alec Baldwin's murdering of a "film crew member" worth opining on? He was a quite vociferous "critic" of Donald Trump son of Màiri MacLeòid of Leòdhas.

    Globalism uber alles Alec.

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @epebble, @Lisboa anon, @AndrewR, @Expletive Deleted, @mulga mumblebrain

    Involuntary manslaughter, not murder.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @epebble

    I think that remains to be determined. This case is one of the most bizarre stories I've heard of in my life. So many "coincidences" that make one highly suspicious of the official narrative.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @Pericles
    @epebble

    Chauvin got 20 years. James Fields got 413 years. But perhaps Baldwin can claim it was mutual combat and walk away a free acteur.

    , @Alden
    @epebble

    Depends. The LA county district attorney is a Castro communist sleeper agent selected and put in office by that representative of Satan on earth George Soros.

    Alec Baldwin is an evil White man. There are very very very few White criminals in Los Angeles. Being an anti White liberal, Gascon might decide to charge murder 2. Might be the only White killer in Los Angeles this year.
    And the workmen’s compensation insurance. The homicide victim’s family won’t get much and then only after 5-10 years of hearings and delay.

    But no Wcom company will insure anything to do with Alec Baldwin ever again. And I believe he has at least one very young kid with his current wife. So his career is over.

    Replies: @epebble

  19. In Dune, computers don’t exist anymore due to the old Butlerian Jihad against thinking machines.

    Untrue, sir, untrue. Computer do exist in Dune. It’s just that they are called mentats and are highly bred and trained humans, not man-made machines.

    And, yes, I am a Dune nerd.

    And, yes, I saw the new movie. So disappointing. Excellent production value, but the acting is subpar compared to the Lynch version and the music was loud and obnoxious rather than haunting like the original.

    And the script was full of contemporary talk, e.g. Paul saying “Dad…” to Leto, Jessica weeping at the drop of a hat (I thought she was a Bene Genesserit who could control every nerve and muscle in her body…), etc.

    And, yes, all the black people…

    • Replies: @Mina Horowitz
    @Twinkie

    The black people all die in horrible ways though and the movie ends with the handsome white guy in charge and leading the tribe. In the next movie they will be literally bowing down to him like he's some kind of god. I suppose Zendaya is technically black but she looks like an upper class filipina to me.

    , @ANON
    @Twinkie

    Dr Keynes is made to be a woman in the new movie even though he is Chani's father in the books.
    Also the first mentat, Gilbertus Albans, was trained by the independent robot Erasmus. Talk about being a Dune nerd eh?

  20. Artificial Intelligence must be tempered with Artificial Hypocrisy. Or Artificial Stupidity.

  21. Michael E. Levin’s book is magisterial. It is probably the most intellectually rigorous defence of race-realism ever published. If you are a white nationalist, and don’t think that Jews (some Jews, anyway) can be allies in the fight, you need to read, ‘Why Race Matters ‘.

    I do wonder what Steve Sailer and Ron Unz think of Levin’s book.

  22. I did a little experiment.

    I went to Ask Delphi and submitted two statements:

    1. Cutting the hair of a white woman

    2. Cutting the hair of a black woman

    The response to the first was “It’s ok”.

    The response to the second was “It’s rude”.

    So, it looks like the algorithm has been improved.

  23. @Coemgen
    Ah, isn't Alec Baldwin's murdering of a "film crew member" worth opining on? He was a quite vociferous "critic" of Donald Trump son of Màiri MacLeòid of Leòdhas.

    Globalism uber alles Alec.

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @epebble, @Lisboa anon, @AndrewR, @Expletive Deleted, @mulga mumblebrain

    Sailer is above tabloid-level sensationalism, Baldwin has been great as slide threads on /pol/ though.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Lisboa anon

    I haven't thought of anything to say about Alec Baldwin shooting a lady that nobody else has said. If I do, I shall say it.

  24. Let’s not forget that AI facial recognition goes all KKK on blacks when it comes to sorting them. They are look the same to AI. Another reason to push for more diversity, equity and inclusion at MIT.

  25. @epebble
    @Coemgen

    Involuntary manslaughter, not murder.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Pericles, @Alden

    I think that remains to be determined. This case is one of the most bizarre stories I’ve heard of in my life. So many “coincidences” that make one highly suspicious of the official narrative.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @AndrewR

    Did you see the freak who was in charge of the gun?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @AndrewR

  26. @Coemgen
    Ah, isn't Alec Baldwin's murdering of a "film crew member" worth opining on? He was a quite vociferous "critic" of Donald Trump son of Màiri MacLeòid of Leòdhas.

    Globalism uber alles Alec.

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @epebble, @Lisboa anon, @AndrewR, @Expletive Deleted, @mulga mumblebrain

    You expect Sailer to comment on a story that normal people might care about? Odd…

  27. @Lisboa anon
    @Coemgen

    Sailer is above tabloid-level sensationalism, Baldwin has been great as slide threads on /pol/ though.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I haven’t thought of anything to say about Alec Baldwin shooting a lady that nobody else has said. If I do, I shall say it.

    • Agree: El Dato
  28. I’ll take my chances with Skynet over the current dirt mesh.

  29. It sure looks like AI is making excellent progress (for now)! It’s actually very impressive. Of course, every middle class black person feels the same way, though they might not admit it.

  30. @Coemgen
    Ah, isn't Alec Baldwin's murdering of a "film crew member" worth opining on? He was a quite vociferous "critic" of Donald Trump son of Màiri MacLeòid of Leòdhas.

    Globalism uber alles Alec.

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @epebble, @Lisboa anon, @AndrewR, @Expletive Deleted, @mulga mumblebrain

    Steve’s more interested in nine irons than shootin’ irons, I believe.

  31. @epebble
    @Coemgen

    Involuntary manslaughter, not murder.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Pericles, @Alden

    Chauvin got 20 years. James Fields got 413 years. But perhaps Baldwin can claim it was mutual combat and walk away a free acteur.

  32. The future is racist, bigots. Get over it.

  33. They’ll fix that AI so that Skynet, the Daleks, the Cylons, and the Cybermen want to kill everyone regardless of race.

    • Agree: Lurker
  34. ““a black man walking towards you at night” its answer was clearly racist. …”

    It’s not at all clear to those of us with more than two brain cells to rub together that, when faced with limited information, applying fact-based statistical data to a situation is racist.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Spud Boy

    Don’t forget the black man walking behind you and third black man driving the car that will whisk away the 2 black men who robbed raped or murdered you.

    3 black men is always a mugging team. One or two black men might not be criminals.


  35. (From the X-Files episode “Blood”)

  36. We could only hope that Butler was on the job ….

  37. @AndrewR
    @epebble

    I think that remains to be determined. This case is one of the most bizarre stories I've heard of in my life. So many "coincidences" that make one highly suspicious of the official narrative.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Did you see the freak who was in charge of the gun?

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @ben tillman


    Did you see the freak who was in charge of the gun?
     
    Would you please posta link to the picture of this person, so I can judge for myself.
    , @AndrewR
    @ben tillman

    Yes lmaooo

  38. We Whiteys may give up on AI but the rinky-tinks will not.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Gordo

    Yes, aside from the woke stuff, a lot of Christians have problems with robotics and AI for scriptural reason. These fields are never going to go far in the west. Eastern countries don't have these hangups.

  39. It’s not just “artificial intelligence” it’s intelligence.

    By which I mean such things as the ability to grasp analogies and recognize patterns.

    It’s not just a question of IQ tests being culturally biased, what they measure are in fact correlates of racism as such.

    IQ tests will not be mentioned when the time comes, but that conclusion (I am expecting) will be made explicit (or nearly so) very soon. If it hasn’t happened already but I was not informed.

  40. *BOOP BEEP*

    AROUND BLAX

    *BEEP BOOP*

    NEVER RELAX.

    • LOL: Joe Magarac
  41. (Sigh!) They…just…don’t make robots like they used to.

  42. @ben tillman
    @AndrewR

    Did you see the freak who was in charge of the gun?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @AndrewR

    Did you see the freak who was in charge of the gun?

    Would you please posta link to the picture of this person, so I can judge for myself.

  43. @ben tillman
    @AndrewR

    Did you see the freak who was in charge of the gun?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @AndrewR

    Yes lmaooo

  44. One thing I am curious about with Dune is its employing the trope that the protagonist is, unbenownst set to the protagonist, the fullfilment of some on not so quasi-religious pre-herarlded saga – the messiah himself. This seems almost cliche to my mind today (though I can’t specifically recall it being in sci-fi or fantasy apart from the matrix.)

    Was Herbert the first to employ this (now) trope? Can’t be, it seems to me. But then again, the melody of “Yesterday” seems so obvious that McCartney can’t have invented that too.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Ray Midge

    This is a question for https://scifi.stackexchange.com/

    OTOH, the "messiah" meme complex was a control slot engineered by Bene Gesserit to keep the sisters in charge. The new arrival and his skillset just slotted right.

    "I am not your Messiah"
    "He says he's the Messiah we have been waiting for!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qsUvCmA7PI

    , @ANON
    @Ray Midge

    Mike from Stranger in a Strange Land was made to be a messiah type figure, when did Heinlein write that one?

  45. A.I. being inherently based and no one can figure out how to change that is hilarious.

  46. @Twinkie

    In Dune, computers don’t exist anymore due to the old Butlerian Jihad against thinking machines.
     
    Untrue, sir, untrue. Computer do exist in Dune. It's just that they are called mentats and are highly bred and trained humans, not man-made machines.

    And, yes, I am a Dune nerd.

    And, yes, I saw the new movie. So disappointing. Excellent production value, but the acting is subpar compared to the Lynch version and the music was loud and obnoxious rather than haunting like the original.

    And the script was full of contemporary talk, e.g. Paul saying "Dad..." to Leto, Jessica weeping at the drop of a hat (I thought she was a Bene Genesserit who could control every nerve and muscle in her body...), etc.

    And, yes, all the black people...

    Replies: @Mina Horowitz, @ANON

    The black people all die in horrible ways though and the movie ends with the handsome white guy in charge and leading the tribe. In the next movie they will be literally bowing down to him like he’s some kind of god. I suppose Zendaya is technically black but she looks like an upper class filipina to me.

  47. @Ray Midge
    One thing I am curious about with Dune is its employing the trope that the protagonist is, unbenownst set to the protagonist, the fullfilment of some on not so quasi-religious pre-herarlded saga - the messiah himself. This seems almost cliche to my mind today (though I can't specifically recall it being in sci-fi or fantasy apart from the matrix.)

    Was Herbert the first to employ this (now) trope? Can't be, it seems to me. But then again, the melody of "Yesterday" seems so obvious that McCartney can't have invented that too.

    Replies: @El Dato, @ANON

    This is a question for https://scifi.stackexchange.com/

    OTOH, the “messiah” meme complex was a control slot engineered by Bene Gesserit to keep the sisters in charge. The new arrival and his skillset just slotted right.

    “I am not your Messiah”
    “He says he’s the Messiah we have been waiting for!”

  48. @Gordo
    We Whiteys may give up on AI but the rinky-tinks will not.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Yes, aside from the woke stuff, a lot of Christians have problems with robotics and AI for scriptural reason. These fields are never going to go far in the west. Eastern countries don’t have these hangups.

  49. “A black man is walking toward you at night.”

    “Outlook not so good”

  50. Looks like iSteve buried the lede Noo Yawk Times style.

    Machine learning systems are notorious for demonstrating unintended bias. And as is often the case, part of the reason Delphi’s answers can get questionable can likely be linked back to how it was created. The folks behind the project drew on some eyebrow-raising sources to help train the AI, including the “Am I the Asshole?” subreddit, the “Confessions” subreddit, and the “Dear Abby” advice column, according to the paper the team behind Delphi published about the experiment.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Corvinus

    I guess Soros will soon declare AI to be "Bad Intelligence"

    George Soros backs liberal media company with a mission to counter fake news & promote ‘GOOD INFORMATION’

    https://twitter.com/theresaboyle/status/1453060614797017095

    Replies: @Corvinus

  51. Just tried it.

    Imprisoning a murderer.
    It’s expected.

    Blaspheming the Prophet.
    It’s wrong.

    Stoning an adulterer.
    It’s okay.

    By taking inaction letting a robot come to harm.
    It’s wrong.

    • Replies: @Philip Neal
    @Philip Neal

    The last one got cut off but it is too good not to share.

    Simony
    It's not so clear.

  52. @Philip Neal
    Just tried it.

    Imprisoning a murderer.
    It's expected.

    Blaspheming the Prophet.
    It's wrong.

    Stoning an adulterer.
    It's okay.

    By taking inaction letting a robot come to harm.
    It's wrong.

    Replies: @Philip Neal

    The last one got cut off but it is too good not to share.

    Simony
    It’s not so clear.

  53. @Coemgen
    Ah, isn't Alec Baldwin's murdering of a "film crew member" worth opining on? He was a quite vociferous "critic" of Donald Trump son of Màiri MacLeòid of Leòdhas.

    Globalism uber alles Alec.

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @epebble, @Lisboa anon, @AndrewR, @Expletive Deleted, @mulga mumblebrain

    It’s just daft to call it ‘murder’.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Alec Baldwin pointed a loaded gun at a woman then pulled the trigger - killing the woman.

    That is murder.

  54. Good luck to all of the folks who don’t like “bad” results coming out of their ML/AI systems. Computer models are stupid; they do what they’re told/programmed to do. They’re not like 8-year-olds.

    If a drug dealer’s got too strong of a product, he’s got to step on it (reduce it’s strength). Programmers do the same thing. The product gets cut until the expected result is achieved.

  55. Fortunately China is leading in AI, so a sane civilization is calling the shots.

  56. @epebble
    @Coemgen

    Involuntary manslaughter, not murder.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Pericles, @Alden

    Depends. The LA county district attorney is a Castro communist sleeper agent selected and put in office by that representative of Satan on earth George Soros.

    Alec Baldwin is an evil White man. There are very very very few White criminals in Los Angeles. Being an anti White liberal, Gascon might decide to charge murder 2. Might be the only White killer in Los Angeles this year.
    And the workmen’s compensation insurance. The homicide victim’s family won’t get much and then only after 5-10 years of hearings and delay.

    But no Wcom company will insure anything to do with Alec Baldwin ever again. And I believe he has at least one very young kid with his current wife. So his career is over.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Alden

    The shooting happened in Santa Fe County, New Mexico.

  57. @Spud Boy
    "“a black man walking towards you at night” its answer was clearly racist. …"

    It's not at all clear to those of us with more than two brain cells to rub together that, when faced with limited information, applying fact-based statistical data to a situation is racist.

    Replies: @Alden

    Don’t forget the black man walking behind you and third black man driving the car that will whisk away the 2 black men who robbed raped or murdered you.

    3 black men is always a mugging team. One or two black men might not be criminals.

  58. @Corvinus
    Looks like iSteve buried the lede Noo Yawk Times style.

    Machine learning systems are notorious for demonstrating unintended bias. And as is often the case, part of the reason Delphi’s answers can get questionable can likely be linked back to how it was created. The folks behind the project drew on some eyebrow-raising sources to help train the AI, including the “Am I the Asshole?” subreddit, the “Confessions” subreddit, and the “Dear Abby” advice column, according to the paper the team behind Delphi published about the experiment.
     

    Replies: @El Dato

    I guess Soros will soon declare AI to be “Bad Intelligence”

    George Soros backs liberal media company with a mission to counter fake news & promote ‘GOOD INFORMATION’

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @El Dato

    You're missing the point. Increasing numbers of people are becoming slaves to confirmation bias and cling on to the "Fake News" mantra, even if evidence that runs counter to their narrative is introduced.

    https://emptylighthouse.com/steele-dossier-whats-true-whats-not-infographic-2014828670

  59. @mulga mumblebrain
    @Coemgen

    It's just daft to call it 'murder'.

    Replies: @Coemgen

    Alec Baldwin pointed a loaded gun at a woman then pulled the trigger – killing the woman.

    That is murder.

  60. @Twinkie

    In Dune, computers don’t exist anymore due to the old Butlerian Jihad against thinking machines.
     
    Untrue, sir, untrue. Computer do exist in Dune. It's just that they are called mentats and are highly bred and trained humans, not man-made machines.

    And, yes, I am a Dune nerd.

    And, yes, I saw the new movie. So disappointing. Excellent production value, but the acting is subpar compared to the Lynch version and the music was loud and obnoxious rather than haunting like the original.

    And the script was full of contemporary talk, e.g. Paul saying "Dad..." to Leto, Jessica weeping at the drop of a hat (I thought she was a Bene Genesserit who could control every nerve and muscle in her body...), etc.

    And, yes, all the black people...

    Replies: @Mina Horowitz, @ANON

    Dr Keynes is made to be a woman in the new movie even though he is Chani’s father in the books.
    Also the first mentat, Gilbertus Albans, was trained by the independent robot Erasmus. Talk about being a Dune nerd eh?

  61. @Ray Midge
    One thing I am curious about with Dune is its employing the trope that the protagonist is, unbenownst set to the protagonist, the fullfilment of some on not so quasi-religious pre-herarlded saga - the messiah himself. This seems almost cliche to my mind today (though I can't specifically recall it being in sci-fi or fantasy apart from the matrix.)

    Was Herbert the first to employ this (now) trope? Can't be, it seems to me. But then again, the melody of "Yesterday" seems so obvious that McCartney can't have invented that too.

    Replies: @El Dato, @ANON

    Mike from Stranger in a Strange Land was made to be a messiah type figure, when did Heinlein write that one?

  62. @Alden
    @epebble

    Depends. The LA county district attorney is a Castro communist sleeper agent selected and put in office by that representative of Satan on earth George Soros.

    Alec Baldwin is an evil White man. There are very very very few White criminals in Los Angeles. Being an anti White liberal, Gascon might decide to charge murder 2. Might be the only White killer in Los Angeles this year.
    And the workmen’s compensation insurance. The homicide victim’s family won’t get much and then only after 5-10 years of hearings and delay.

    But no Wcom company will insure anything to do with Alec Baldwin ever again. And I believe he has at least one very young kid with his current wife. So his career is over.

    Replies: @epebble

    The shooting happened in Santa Fe County, New Mexico.

  63. @El Dato
    @Corvinus

    I guess Soros will soon declare AI to be "Bad Intelligence"

    George Soros backs liberal media company with a mission to counter fake news & promote ‘GOOD INFORMATION’

    https://twitter.com/theresaboyle/status/1453060614797017095

    Replies: @Corvinus

    You’re missing the point. Increasing numbers of people are becoming slaves to confirmation bias and cling on to the “Fake News” mantra, even if evidence that runs counter to their narrative is introduced.

    https://emptylighthouse.com/steele-dossier-whats-true-whats-not-infographic-2014828670

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