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In the New York Review of Books, white environmentalist Bill McKibben realizes that the Democratic Party is not interested in conserving guys like him, and thinks that — environment be damned — is sort of great:

… the Democrats—though compromised at the top, chummy with corporations, frustratingly split on crucial issues, and notoriously unwilling to stand their ground—are, in certain ways, sort of great. …

The first day of our work, the fifteen of us gathered in some miserable hotel ballroom and spent a solid eight hours listening to nonstop earnest testimony from different groups that wanted their viewpoints represented in the platform. I was sitting next to Representative Barbara Lee of Oakland, California, who was quick, sharp, and quite delightful. After the first forty witnesses, I leaned over to whisper: “You know what’s interesting: we haven’t heard from a white guy yet.” She took a minute to look up and down her agenda to make sure I was right, and then she flashed me a wide grin. “Now you know how it feels,” she said.

My sense, after many days of such hearings, was that the Democratic Party at its best operated as a kind of support network for the decent people who get pushed around in America—people of color, working people, disabled people, gay people, people who have to breathe the fumes from refineries.

The people who most have to breathe the fumes from refineries are the people who work there and they like getting paid. But leave that aside for the minute. Who does McKibben think is going to care about the environment in the Democratic Party when the last white guy Democrat is shunted aside? The energy companies have plenty of money to buy off the Congressional Black and Hispanic Caucuses.

 
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  1. Most of us who grew up inhaling refinery fumes grew up not in Oakland but in Benicia, Martinez, Hercules, and Rodeo. Fairly white areas.

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    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    I lived in Benicia for six years in the 1990's and never really noticed any particularly noxious refinery fumes. When, exactly, was this?

    https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0454685,-122.1617502,3a,75y,335.91h,88.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVqXZ3JEOOoubGLEomTchkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
    , @Pat Boyle
    Most of the point air pollution in the San Francisco Bay Area originates in Contra Costa county where these towns reside. It comes from the refineries along the Richmond shore of the Bay.

    How do I know this? I used to work for Contra Costa and I was recruited as probably the best statistician in county government to take part in a study to expose the scandal of the oil companies flaunting of air quality standards. We were going to talk about cancer.

    But we got crushed. The local politicians knew which side their bread was buttered on. I didn't much care personally. I lived in San Francisco and commuted across the Bay. Also the carcinogens stayed out of the central Diablo Valley. Central county had lots of hay fever but the high cancer areas were over the hills near the Bay.
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  2. “white liberal environmentalist Bill McKibben realizes that the Democratic Party is not interested in conserving guys like him”

    Occasionally even the Democratic Party gets it right: white liberal environmentalists like Bill are oxygen thieves not worth conserving. When they go extinct, I suspect no one will miss them all that much.

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  3. G Pinfold says:

    OT/ Steve, I know you’ve talked about avoidng the Big stories because everyone else has them covered, but the Spygate thing is getting HUGE now. If you’re experiencing an unexpected decline in page views, it’s probably because guys like me are down that rabbit hole and won’t be back up much until several shoes, or other cliches, fall.
    We will be back, because as great as it may be to hurl some chlorine on the swamp, the national question remains.

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    the Spygate thing is getting HUGE now.
     
    Such as what?
    , @Pat Boyle
    Kinda hard to understand your point.
    , @Sunbeam
    "OT/ Steve, I know you’ve talked about avoidng the Big stories because everyone else has them covered, but the Spygate thing is getting HUGE now."

    I know the feeling. Something big, in plain view and no one on this site seems to notice (Autism is Hell).

    Anyway, Qanon is a whole heck of a lot bigger than Spygate (though in the worldview they are realated of course).

    And Pizzagate isn't being discussed either. It may surprise some, but that has definitely not been forgotten, just morphed into Qanon.

    We'll see. I have a heck of a time believing the Justice Department could prosecute 45,000 sealed indictments, particularly since most of the names we've seen have serious money.

    But the point is myopia. Whatever the truth, we have a significant fraction of the population that believes our elites are Satanic pedophiles, who practice human sacrifice and cannibalism at times.

    Tinfoil all you want. But I'm telling you this is almost at the pitchfork and mob point.

    Depends on where you live I guess. But if all the network stations announced Trump declared Martial Law, and snatched 45,000 people and put them in detention, including names everyone knows...

    Well a whole lot more people than the average commenter on this site will believe, will wholeheartedly support it.

    At this point, it sort of doesn't matter whether any of it is true. The point is I can walk out the door and find someone without too much trouble that believes Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg are pedophiles.

    And frankly if you look at any of the material floating around out there produced willingly by Dan Harmon and James Gunn it is pretty darn easy to believe.

    Who knows, maybe this whole thing fits a social niche like the Ghost Dance thing Indians had going in the late 1800's. Or Cargo Cults.

    But the fact is, - if America were a football team, they'd be saying the coach lost the team.

    Yes, it is that bad. Hispanics and Blacks have always had their own thing, and reasons for this or that.

    But the elites have lost Hooterville.
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  5. Anon[544] • Disclaimer says:

    I think that the motives for opposing oil pipelines differ pretty radically among Sierra Club types, Native Americans, millenials, and so forth. The Sierra Club types are in for an awakening. They are thinking of the environment in a pure and abstract way. The others are protesting because they hate the man, they feel disrespected, or they want a payoff.

    When it gets to wilderness preservation, endangered species, and that sort of environmentalism, once the whites are gone, good luck. It’s tragedy of the commons big league.

    Unintentially funny post by an older Canadian Amazon.com employee about his arrest at a pipeline protest:

    https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2018/03/18/How-to-Stop-Kinder-Morgan

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    • Replies: @Anonymous

    When it gets to wilderness preservation, endangered species, and that sort of environmentalism, once the whites are gone, good luck. It’s tragedy of the commons big league.
     
    Yeah, this SWPL kind of stuff is doomed. I feel sorry for animals. The coming non-white majority has zero concern for this kind of stuff.
    , @Marty T
    What will happen is that more Republicans will be publicly environmentalist. I expect this to start during the next decade.
    , @Lagertha
    If the Republicans were smart they should totally hijack habitat preservation and wildlife welfare away from the white Democrats. It can easily be parlayed into subtle digs at unrestricted immigration, because you are all correct: open land and animals will disappear and suffer a cruel end. I've been burned-up about this for decades. Human population should go down, drastically, especially in developing countries/corrupt countries. At some point, it will become an ethical question: more humans consuming...or allowing species such as elephants, whales, mountain lions, eagles, etc., to live? It still upsets me that the mountain lion in Oregon who killed a bicyclist was shot down. He was starving and the spandex wearing cyclist was in his domain.
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  6. Clyde says:

    environmentalist Bill McKibben…He came in early and he came in hard as an uber eco-warrior, and sold many books. Propagandizing for a totally upper class white obsession – preoccupation. So now he has been transmogrified..so he sez…into the Democrat party ideal of the cuckifinated, de-balled, stale pale male cave in. He has seen the (black to brown) light.
    I liked him better as an eco-warrior. He did some “actual” good back then. Unless you count into the equation all the industries driven out of America, by eco-regulations and laws, and into Mexico, then China.

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    Unless you count into the equation all the industries driven out of America, by eco-regulations and laws, and into Mexico, then China.
     
    I'd count that. If you count that, it means Mr. McKibben has probably helped make millions of Americans of all sorts more miserably in their lives, and that's before he joined Big-Cuck.

    Let me tell you all about the California Air Resources Board sometimes. I had to stock up on a (hopefully) lifetime supply of the original-formula Olympic Water Seal, after I noticed the new CARB-mandated formula was not the same stuff.

    No, AnotherDad, I cannot spare even one pint. Sorry. ;-}
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  7. Anon[232] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The most American headline you will ever read.

    Beer Truck Drivers Convince Man Not to Kill Self by Offering Him Beer

    https://rare.us/rare-news/across-the-u-s-a/beer-offer-suicide/

    Being an apparent genius and badass as well as an obviously good person, Anderson decided to implement tactics he learned from watching Denzel Washington play a police hostage negotiator in the Spike Lee film Inside Man. Based on what he saw in the film, Anderson knew he had to create a rapport with the man.

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  8. McKibben has made a career
    Of preaching The End Time is Near.
    It’s near for those Whites
    Lacking guts for the fights
    Evolution has ever held dear.

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    Terrific!
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  9. theMann says:

    “The energy companies have plenty of money to buy off the Congressional Black and Hispanic Caucuses.”

    That buying starts at the local\zoning level. By the time the most successful local bribe taker reaches State, let alone National, prominence, they are owned by the Corporations they take money from, Republican or Democrat.

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  10. The individualist self-liberation of the 60s, where you and your friends would grab the reins of life and try something new, has been refracted through the prism of the materialist 80s. All the different colors emanating from that prism are just holding their hands out, asking for either the state or some billionaire to give them a share of the pie.

    From freak outs to shake downs. No one starts a commune anymore.

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    No one starts a commune anymore.
     
    It was WAY too much work, John, so they all gave up. It's very disheartening when you do more than your share of work because others in the Commune-ity are lazy and smoke a lot of dope, yet everyone gets the same amount of organic eggs, vegetables, cous-cous, and marijuana nonetheless. What the plan in lots of these places was is each would work and produce according to his ability or something, and everyone would eat and smoke according to his immediate need to do so .. it was something like that. Those bright commune-organizers had gotten those concepts from some old German guy off a book that their professors insisted they read.

    They said all of the inherent problems would go away if you try it on a much larger scale... YMMV

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  11. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:

    Unlike Bill McKibben I’ve personally seceded from blacks. I avoid social interaction with them and it’s refreshing. If they actively participate in an organization, I don’t. If they ring my doorbell, no one’s home. Since we don’t have much in common this isn’t that difficult.

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  12. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    I think that the motives for opposing oil pipelines differ pretty radically among Sierra Club types, Native Americans, millenials, and so forth. The Sierra Club types are in for an awakening. They are thinking of the environment in a pure and abstract way. The others are protesting because they hate the man, they feel disrespected, or they want a payoff.

    When it gets to wilderness preservation, endangered species, and that sort of environmentalism, once the whites are gone, good luck. It's tragedy of the commons big league.

    Unintentially funny post by an older Canadian Amazon.com employee about his arrest at a pipeline protest:

    https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2018/03/18/How-to-Stop-Kinder-Morgan

    When it gets to wilderness preservation, endangered species, and that sort of environmentalism, once the whites are gone, good luck. It’s tragedy of the commons big league.

    Yeah, this SWPL kind of stuff is doomed. I feel sorry for animals. The coming non-white majority has zero concern for this kind of stuff.

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    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    This is 100% true.

    In the Maghreb they litter everywhere as it if is their Allah given right.
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  13. Tiny Duck says:

    He understands that white males are a threat to civilization

    https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/08/16/deradicalizing-white-people/

    Only when white men are out of power will the country be able to worth a damn

    People of Color AGREE that white men are problematic

    If you vote republican you are a traitor

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    He understands that white males are a threat to civilization
     
    You certainly are.
    , @anon
    Bless you, Mr. Machete Massacre.
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  14. McKibben didn’t get the memo. White backpackers are going to lose their national parks against demands for affordable housing for all the new, non-backpacking Americans.

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    Yeah. Hiking the Appalachian Trail is an indulgence reserved for privileged whites. The Fringers wouldn't know a redwood from a maple tree.
    , @bomag

    ...demands for affordable housing for all the new, non-backpacking Americans.

     

    Absolutely.

    I find it a prominent problem of the human condition when environmentalist get on board with policies that maximize the population growth of the Third World. It seemed natural for John Denver to sing about, "more people, more scars upon the land", but modern caretakers of nature are oblivious to the connection between population and pressures on nature. It's one thing to not confront the issue, but a kind of despair when they embrace policies that actively worsen the problem.

    The few I've been able to confront in a meaningful way just wave it off as something that will take care of itself, or we will just cram everyone into cities, which apparently won't impact wilderness areas as we try to find more food, energy, and minerals for the teeming masses. Madness.
    , @International Jew
    That's not going to happen until the US population hits ten billion or something! The national parks are almost all either far away from major population centers, or in steep high-altitude terrain; the slums and shantytowns will cover the Central Valley before they start expanding into Yosemite.

    What will, however, happen sooner is that we white backpackers won't be able to reach Yosemite because of clogged and degraded roads along the way.

    (I mention Yosemite only because Steve's out-of-state readers will have heard of it. In truth, Californians who like to backpack rarely go there. We go to thousands of other lovely places in the Sierra that don't require reservations.)

    , @27 year old
    Be more worried about Chinese logging, charcoal and paper industry demands.
    , @Dtbb
    I guess they drop their packs aftet illegally crossing the border.
    , @mr. wild
    What will be lost first is the BLM range land that tends to be on flatter terrain and already lies near several Western city borders like Tuscon and Vegas. They don't have the cachet of National Parks, so they will have less defenders. After that will come the National Forests, which is where a lot the West's water supplies originate. The National Parks will be likely the last to go.

    I read the Sierra Club magazine's 100th anniversary issue a year ago. The articles were filled with all kinds of Wilderness-as-white-man-colonialism themes and a celebration of the idea of "urban wild". Hardly 50 years since the Wilderness Act and they're already not only retreating from, but declaring their former mission to be some kind of leftover from the Dark Ages.
    , @Corvinus
    "White backpackers are going to lose their national parks against demands for affordable housing for all the new, non-backpacking Americans."

    You mean due to Trump Administrations curtailing of funds for the National Park System.

    Besides, more brownies and blackies are going hiking. You know, the vibrancy of nature.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-camping-minorities-20161005-snap-story.html
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  15. Anonymous[356] • Disclaimer says:
    @G Pinfold
    OT/ Steve, I know you’ve talked about avoidng the Big stories because everyone else has them covered, but the Spygate thing is getting HUGE now. If you’re experiencing an unexpected decline in page views, it’s probably because guys like me are down that rabbit hole and won’t be back up much until several shoes, or other cliches, fall.
    We will be back, because as great as it may be to hurl some chlorine on the swamp, the national question remains.

    the Spygate thing is getting HUGE now.

    Such as what?

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  16. And this really goes to the heart of what’s wrong with a certain well known immigration reform organization in Northern Virginia. They came out of the1970 ZPG movement which was obsessed with telling the White Working Class to have no more than one White Child…..do it for the environment!!!….do it for future generations!!!…..This organization is now obsessed with protecting America’s natural beauty for future generations of…..Hindu Americans….Korean Americans…..Chinese Americans…Hispanic Americans…..Go to this organizations website….White Folks don’t exist….

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    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anon
    What organization is that? There are a jillion interest groups around DC.
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  17. utu says:

    Where was Bill McKibben when David Gelbaum bought off Sierra Club?

    HOW THE SIERRA CLUB WAS HIJACKED BY OPEN BORDERS RADICALS

    https://www.capsweb.org/blog/how-sierra-club-was-hijacked-open-borders-radicals

    Gelbaum, who reads the Spanish-language newspaper La Opinión and is married to a Mexican American, said his views on immigration were shaped long ago by his grandfather, Abraham, a watchmaker who had come to America to escape persecution of Jews in Ukraine before World War I.

    “I asked, ‘Abe, what do you think about all of these Mexicans coming here?’” Gelbaum said. “Abe didn’t speak English that well. He said, ‘I came here. How can I tell them not to come?’

    “I cannot support an organization that is anti-immigration. It would dishonor the memory of my grandparents.”

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    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    “I cannot support an organization that is anti-immigration. It would dishonor the memory of my grandparents.”

    Like all progressives, Gelbaum chooses his grandparents over his grandchildren. Shouldn't they be called "regressives" instead of progressives?

    , @Roderick Spode
    It seems like only yesterday the SPLC was warning us that the Sierra Club had been infiltrated by 'Nazis.' What is it, East Germany?
    , @Redneck farmer
    At least the grandfather didn't destroy Ukraine, whereas the grandson is destroying the United States.
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  18. Travis says:

    we would also expect the Democratic party would embrace global warming and pursue policies which would make the planet warmer and more hospitable for Sun people. If a Black caucus member becomes speaker maybe we will finally see an end to subsidies for electric cars and renewable energy. Blacks do not purchase electric cars, the federal subsidies all go to wealthy white people. The ethanol subsidies all go to white American farmers.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    You are correct.  The ethanol program is a farm price-support program, not a climate or air-quality program.  It is energy negative and CO2 positive as originally created.

    Supposedly, the Arab Spring riots were engendered by high grain prices... caused in no small part by American ethanol mandates which prioritized vehicular fuel over human food.
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  19. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:

    Even more to the point, those nasty horrible white run corporations, which are screwing the environment keep the oppressed black/brown masses in watermelon, fried chicken, menthol cigarettes, malt liquor, gas – to fuel their SUVs -, electricity – preserves the cadavers of their murdered homey kin – air con, Swisher sweets, Skittles etc etc etc.

    Try taking those goodies off the black/browns – as Venezuela proves it’s easier to rob a she-bear of her cubs.

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  20. Jimi says:

    In California and NYC the demographics are now majority non-white and bsaed on demographics whites should be pushed out of power. Yet in both these places white people seem to dominate and the cultural preferences of white liberals are respected.

    Bike lanes, trains, environmental protection, cultural liberalism, tight zoning rules to protect leafy inner suburbs, magnet public schools, I could go on and on. Hispterism is well alive and cultivated. And what is hispterism but a celebration of Victorian Anglo-Saxon culture?

    White Democrats will continue dominate the Democratic party for the foreseeable future.

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    • Replies: @Flip
    Whites are vastly outnumbered in much of Latin America by mixed race people but are still mostly in charge.
    , @Anon
    It’s the Whites that’s gots the money.

    Nancy Pelosi was elected to Congress and speaker because of her fundraising ability. She started fundraising for the party when she was 25 years old. She’s tied in with Feinstein-Blum and all the California and US billionaires including the nearby tech billionaires.

    Money talks and the blacks and browns will walk.
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  21. After the first forty witnesses, I leaned over to whisper: “You know what’s interesting: we haven’t heard from a white guy yet.” She took a minute to look up and down her agenda to make sure I was right, and then she flashed me a wide grin. “Now you know how it feels,” she said.

    He’s being charitable. This is a matter of vengeance.

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  22. The Democrat Party’s Coalition of the Fringes is hoping White women with college degrees will overlook the fact that the Democrat Party is anti-White.

    I notice a lot of White women with college degrees — such as Hillary Clinton — go out of their way to live in mostly White towns and neighborhoods.

    White women without college degrees in the Great Lakes states might have been the boost Trump needed to win Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. These White women without college degrees were happy Trump was promising that he would stop sending their sons to go fight wars in the Middle East and West Asia on behalf of Israel.

    White women without college degrees also don’t like the open borders aspects of all these sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams such as NAFTA. White women without college degrees also don’t like foreigners invading the United States under the cover of mass legal immigration and illegal immigration.

    White women with college degrees will eventually notice that the remainder of the anti-White
    Democrat Party hates White people.

    Tweet From 2015:

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Hillary even lost white women with college degrees to Trump. There's definitely hope ...
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  23. The guy who is listening to all the imprecations is the one with the power. He thinks it’s kind of great because that’s him.

    Yet again incredibly low levels of self-awareness. Maybe negative levels of self-awareness crosses over into projection?

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    The guy who is listening to all the imprecations is the one with the power. He thinks it’s kind of great because that’s him.
     
    What do you mean?
    , @Brutusale
    To paraphrase a Dan Jenkins line: Bill, when that black tribunal finally takes over, your trouble making white ass is the first one they execute.
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  24. @The Anti-Gnostic
    McKibben didn't get the memo. White backpackers are going to lose their national parks against demands for affordable housing for all the new, non-backpacking Americans.

    Yeah. Hiking the Appalachian Trail is an indulgence reserved for privileged whites. The Fringers wouldn’t know a redwood from a maple tree.

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  25. peterike says:

    “You know what’s interesting: we haven’t heard from a white guy yet.” She took a minute to look up and down her agenda to make sure I was right, and then she flashed me a wide grin. “Now you know how it feels,” she said.

    I always find this remarkable: the constant complaint that we “never hear” the “voices” of people of color, women and gays. Yet somehow, everywhere I look, I am bombarded with the voices of people of color, women and gays, and nearly always directly at the expense of whites. What we actually never hear are the voices of whites as whites. But the Lees and McKibbens of the world would have you think that the media is a non-stop celebration of white supremacy.

    I wonder, do they really believe this rot that they’re being “silenced”? Or do they know they’re just playing a game and they have a winning hand?

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "I always find this remarkable: the constant complaint that we “never hear” the “voices” of people of color, women and gays. Yet somehow, everywhere I look, I am bombarded with the voices of people of color, women and gays, and nearly always directly at the expense of whites."

    Yes, but in 1945 we mostly heard from FDR, Truman, Oppenheimer, Churchill, MacArthur, Stalin, Hemingway, Bogart, and other white men. So, the Current Year is oppressed by the past.

    , @Crew Cut Man

    “Now you know how it feels,” she said.
     
    It's been this way my whole life, and I was born in the 1960s. What is the word "now" doing in that sentence.
    , @dfordoom

    What we actually never hear are the voices of whites as whites.
     
    What we actually never hear are the voices of working-class whites as woking-class whites. And we don't hear the voices of working-class blacks and browns either.

    What we do hear are the voices of the elites. That's all we hear. We hear white elites and we hear black and brown and yellow members of the elites and we hear homosexuals (who are as elite as you can get).
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  26. The coalition of the fringes has the corporate media on its side. This is why the corporate media is the enemy of the American people.

    Alex Jones was censored because he started talking about open borders mass immigration and the demographic transformation of European Christian nations.

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    • Replies: @dfordoom

    and the demographic transformation of European Christian nations.
     
    There aren't any European Christian nations. Not in western Europe anyway.
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  27. One thing that has been memory holed about environmentalism is how much of it was originally right-wing and specifically a landowning and nationalistic worldview. My grandfather was a right-wing politician and one thing he claimed as an achievement was passing regulations against polluting factories – he owned land near a lake that had been turned into a toxic mess by an upstream paper factory.

    The left in the 1950s was still a working class movement so they were the champions of building as much heavy industry as possible and communists and factory owners were perfectly happy to ally with each other in a push to let the factories do whatever they want. I guess it was an early omen of this era when the left has simply decided that the big capitalists are a progressive class after all – not at all like the landowning class that was “reacting” against the devaluation of its properties by industrial “progress”.

    In Russia where they destroyed their landowning class there was no one to advocate for the land and the difference in results are rather obvious even though the starting point was very similar to Finland’s in 1918. Letting the left claim environmentalism as their cause is one of the biggest failures of right-wing politics of the past half century.

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    Jaakko, excellent comment.

    My understanding is that environmentalism, or conservationism, always fell very comfortably within the conservative ambit by virtue of old-fashioned English public nuisance laws. But conservatives ceded to Big Capital, a truly radical force, which easily mustered buzz words, such as "progress" and "development" and "jobs" and "taxes" to roll over its opposition. How can you fight all that cash when all you've got is a deep sense of foreboding that 24-hour a day industry and, later, retail and call centers will be disruptive . . . of something.

    I don't know if we'd have been better off if the early industrialists had been subject to strong social pressure, or outright regulation, to guard against externalities, but it's a thought.
    , @Stan d Mute

    Letting the left claim environmentalism as their cause is one of the biggest failures of right-wing politics of the past half century.
     
    Which came first, commie takeover of environmental protection or insanity like the 1960’s DDT scare, OMG Ice Age of the 1970’s, or OMG Global Warming of the 1990’s? Conservationism is by definition conservative, but management and conservation of resources doesn’t equal OMG Never Kill a Whale, Whales Sacred! Environmentalism today is purely communism pitting natural conservationists like farmers, hunters, and outdoorsmen against those who want to eliminate property rights for Non-Party members who don’t reside in their gated subdivisions, coastal enclaves, or trendy gentrified urban lofts.

    Was there an actual takeover of conservationism or did the commies just steal the language for an opposite purpose as they did with “liberal”?
    , @Anonymous
    Generally speaking, the landowning class's "environmentalism" i.e. opposition to industry was not "right wing" and "nationalistic". Right wing and leftist nationalists typically supported land reform and industrial development, for obvious reasons. For example both the fascist Falange and the Spanish Republicans supported land reform and industrial development while the Spanish conservatives and monarchist groups wanted to retain the landowning class's holdings and privileges. The landowning class was conservative and reactionary and had an interest in preserving the status quo as its economic and social privileges derived from pre-modern, pre-national arrangements. The landowning class was threatened by land reform and industry as they meant they had to compete with a new wealthy industrial class and because they would no longer have a poor peasant class tied to their land providing them with cheap labor. The former peasants would have their own land or higher wages from the higher productivity of industry.

    It's a similar situation today. Populists and right wing nationalists want industry. Trump didn't win West Virginia and the Rust Belt by saying that he was going to close down coal mines and shut down industry even more.
    , @TelfoedJohn
    One of the firebrands of Finnish right-wing environmentalism is Pentti Linkola:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentti_Linkola

    In the UK, the animal rights cause has often been a rightwing thing: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1353870/Neo-nazis-join-animal-rights-groups.html
    , @Anon
    https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/08/profiles-of-early-conservationists/
    , @Anon
    Teddy Roosevelt appointed his fellow aristocrat Pinchot head of the National Parks system. The movement was very upper class emulating the British upper class rural shootin fishin huntin lifestyle.

    My opinion on environmentalists and their extremist wing is that it is the only liberal crusade left that has room for a cis White man.
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  28. Anonymous[749] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius
    The guy who is listening to all the imprecations is the one with the power. He thinks it’s kind of great because that’s him.

    Yet again incredibly low levels of self-awareness. Maybe negative levels of self-awareness crosses over into projection?

    The guy who is listening to all the imprecations is the one with the power. He thinks it’s kind of great because that’s him.

    What do you mean?

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  29. Screwtape says:

    Its a short leap from anti-human to anti-white.

    Most self-proclaimed environmentalists are deeply self loathing and full of free floating guilt. The left has taken advantage for decades, providing an endless buffet of reasons why they should hate themselves.

    But it comes with a handbook to help them project that onto others who are less holy and more guilty, aka most white folks.

    From noble savages to driving a Tesla, these creeps have been banging their drum against humans – and particulalry humans that build and support civilizations.

    The dissonance of their calls for both Progress and preservation are entirely lost in the noise of blame whitey.

    They are deeply unprincipled. When their platforms are forced to their logical conclusions its basically about suiciding. Or at a minimum, massive wealth redistribution and oppression.

    And since all but whitness is sacred, the whitness must go. Nigerian birth rates be damned.

    The only true enviromentalists ive known have been friends and family of the mountain west who farm, hunt, fish, log, and steward the land.

    They exist in reality; the actual intersections of human life and the environment. Not some flat in SF. They know what the land provides and what it takes to produce the energy, food, and resources to support 350 million people who all aspire to have moar.

    Ive seen how the fringe treats the environment. Been all over the world. Its terrible. Also lived in LA. So ive seen the homes, yards, alleys, parks, rivers amd streams of these fringe communities. They are literally trash. Save the whales? Sure, but how about you clean up after you leave the park?

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    Ducks Unlimited does more for the environment than the Sierra Club ever did.
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  30. Marty T says:
    @Anon
    I think that the motives for opposing oil pipelines differ pretty radically among Sierra Club types, Native Americans, millenials, and so forth. The Sierra Club types are in for an awakening. They are thinking of the environment in a pure and abstract way. The others are protesting because they hate the man, they feel disrespected, or they want a payoff.

    When it gets to wilderness preservation, endangered species, and that sort of environmentalism, once the whites are gone, good luck. It's tragedy of the commons big league.

    Unintentially funny post by an older Canadian Amazon.com employee about his arrest at a pipeline protest:

    https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2018/03/18/How-to-Stop-Kinder-Morgan

    What will happen is that more Republicans will be publicly environmentalist. I expect this to start during the next decade.

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    Yay looking forward to being accepted as a right wing environmentalist. For everything but climat change you can solve most of the problem cheap using pollution taxes and such. I look forward to being the conservative who gets to argue for trading income tax cuts for pollution taxes.
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  31. Asdf says:

    Kind of racist of him to notice things like that.

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  32. bomag says:

    Now you know how it feels

    MUH FEELZ!

    Such emotional pettiness; like a soldier shooting his own officer, thinking that the next one will be better, or the extant hierarchy isn’t needed at all.

    Third world population growth plus modern industrialization is probably the most toxic thing for the natural environment by a factor of ten, yet McKibben and company say as little as possible about the subject. Politics trumps everything.

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    McKibben heads 350.org, an "environmentalist" group devoted to reducing atmospheric CO2 to 350 ppm to avoid destructive climate change... but is dead-set against nuclear energy.  He's a hypocrite even on his own terms.
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  33. @Malcolm X-Lax
    Most of us who grew up inhaling refinery fumes grew up not in Oakland but in Benicia, Martinez, Hercules, and Rodeo. Fairly white areas.

    I lived in Benicia for six years in the 1990′s and never really noticed any particularly noxious refinery fumes. When, exactly, was this?

    https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0454685,-122.1617502,3a,75y,335.91h,88.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVqXZ3JEOOoubGLEomTchkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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    I lived in Benicia from 1976 to 1988. From my girlfriend’s backyard on Carlisle Way we could see and smell the Exxon Refinery (now Valero) in the industrial park on the north side of the Carquinez Strait. In fact, there are refineries on both sides of the Benicia-Martinez Bridge. Perhaps they’ve made improvements, but that’s how I remember it.
    , @Anon
    Every one I knew who had a petroleum or chemical engineering degree always applied to the east bay oil refineries. So did a lot of blue collar guys. If they didn’t get the job first application they applied again and again.
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  34. “people who have to breathe the fumes from refineries.”

    The fringes are bravely doing the jobs that the normies just won’t do. Otherwise there’d be oil rotting in the refineries.

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  35. D. K. says:

    ***

    My sense, after many days of such hearings, was that the Democratic Party at its best operated as a kind of support network for the decent people who get pushed around in America—people of color, working people, disabled people, gay people, people who have to breathe the fumes from refineries.

    ***

    This fantasy of what the Democratic Party supposedly represents, at this point in American political history, is supposed to explain why none of the first forty people allowed to address his committee came from another minority group– white males– that comprises just over a third of the resident population of the country? Even if one further limits the object of his apparently phobic self-hatred to just us straight, cisgendered, non-Hispanic, male residents of America who are purely of indigenous-European origins, we still comprise close to thirty percent of the resident population of the United States– which takes in an awful lot of “working people, disabled people,” and “people who have to breathe the fumes from refineries.” Yet, an increasing majority of those types of white people vote for Republican candidates, while only elite Whites like Bill McKibben cling to the Democratic Party.

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  37. Which would make Unz.com writers the Coalition of the Normies? Hmmm… Anyhow the world is still around.

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  38. snorlax says:

    OT: From WSJ: Latest Spike Lee Joint: Paid NYPD Consultant

    “You want to reach out to folks. Not just the folks who are supporters pretty consistently but also folks who have certainly been critics in the past,” Mr. Tucker said in an interview. “I knew Spike had the advertisement firm and as we were looking at various entities in that realm, I said let’s reach out and see if they would have an interest in adding their voice.”

    Mr. Lee agreed in 2015 and his advertising company, Spike DDB, received $219,113 in consulting fees from the New York City Police Foundation, a nonprofit that funds NYPD initiatives. The fee amount was revealed in the nonprofit’s most recent tax filing covering parts of 2016 and 2017.

    “After careful thought I accepted the consultation assignment,” Mr. Lee said in a statement. “The NYPD came to me knowing I have been critical of them. I think it’s important for open dialogue to make what has been a tough relationship better.”

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    Spike Lee agreed to quit taking shots at the NYPD for $219,113 in consulting fees. What is his angle? Is he genuinely trying to defuse black anger at the police?
    , @Anon
    Is this called bribery or extortion?
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  39. JackOH says:
    @Jaakko Raipala
    One thing that has been memory holed about environmentalism is how much of it was originally right-wing and specifically a landowning and nationalistic worldview. My grandfather was a right-wing politician and one thing he claimed as an achievement was passing regulations against polluting factories - he owned land near a lake that had been turned into a toxic mess by an upstream paper factory.

    The left in the 1950s was still a working class movement so they were the champions of building as much heavy industry as possible and communists and factory owners were perfectly happy to ally with each other in a push to let the factories do whatever they want. I guess it was an early omen of this era when the left has simply decided that the big capitalists are a progressive class after all - not at all like the landowning class that was "reacting" against the devaluation of its properties by industrial "progress".

    In Russia where they destroyed their landowning class there was no one to advocate for the land and the difference in results are rather obvious even though the starting point was very similar to Finland's in 1918. Letting the left claim environmentalism as their cause is one of the biggest failures of right-wing politics of the past half century.

    Jaakko, excellent comment.

    My understanding is that environmentalism, or conservationism, always fell very comfortably within the conservative ambit by virtue of old-fashioned English public nuisance laws. But conservatives ceded to Big Capital, a truly radical force, which easily mustered buzz words, such as “progress” and “development” and “jobs” and “taxes” to roll over its opposition. How can you fight all that cash when all you’ve got is a deep sense of foreboding that 24-hour a day industry and, later, retail and call centers will be disruptive . . . of something.

    I don’t know if we’d have been better off if the early industrialists had been subject to strong social pressure, or outright regulation, to guard against externalities, but it’s a thought.

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  40. indocon says:

    Inside I bet a lot of these liberal white guys are starting to get a real sense of what the future entails for them, both in the Democratic Party and in America in general. But being the natural wusses they are, I bet they keep it quite on the outside and keep up ther beat straight white male whitey theme.

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    Environmentalism is the only liberal cause hetero White men can join.
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  41. Truth says:

    Hey guys, speaking of coaltions, here is a short and telling, video allegory of what those dastardly

    KNEE-GROWZ

    have done to your wonderful, polite and orderly society over the last 400 years…

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  42. bomag says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    McKibben didn't get the memo. White backpackers are going to lose their national parks against demands for affordable housing for all the new, non-backpacking Americans.

    …demands for affordable housing for all the new, non-backpacking Americans.

    Absolutely.

    I find it a prominent problem of the human condition when environmentalist get on board with policies that maximize the population growth of the Third World. It seemed natural for John Denver to sing about, “more people, more scars upon the land”, but modern caretakers of nature are oblivious to the connection between population and pressures on nature. It’s one thing to not confront the issue, but a kind of despair when they embrace policies that actively worsen the problem.

    The few I’ve been able to confront in a meaningful way just wave it off as something that will take care of itself, or we will just cram everyone into cities, which apparently won’t impact wilderness areas as we try to find more food, energy, and minerals for the teeming masses. Madness.

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  43. Barnard says:
    @snorlax
    OT: From WSJ: Latest Spike Lee Joint: Paid NYPD Consultant

    “You want to reach out to folks. Not just the folks who are supporters pretty consistently but also folks who have certainly been critics in the past,” Mr. Tucker said in an interview. “I knew Spike had the advertisement firm and as we were looking at various entities in that realm, I said let’s reach out and see if they would have an interest in adding their voice.”

    Mr. Lee agreed in 2015 and his advertising company, Spike DDB, received $219,113 in consulting fees from the New York City Police Foundation, a nonprofit that funds NYPD initiatives. The fee amount was revealed in the nonprofit’s most recent tax filing covering parts of 2016 and 2017.

    “After careful thought I accepted the consultation assignment,” Mr. Lee said in a statement. “The NYPD came to me knowing I have been critical of them. I think it’s important for open dialogue to make what has been a tough relationship better.”
     

    Spike Lee agreed to quit taking shots at the NYPD for $219,113 in consulting fees. What is his angle? Is he genuinely trying to defuse black anger at the police?

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  44. Pat Boyle says:
    @Malcolm X-Lax
    Most of us who grew up inhaling refinery fumes grew up not in Oakland but in Benicia, Martinez, Hercules, and Rodeo. Fairly white areas.

    Most of the point air pollution in the San Francisco Bay Area originates in Contra Costa county where these towns reside. It comes from the refineries along the Richmond shore of the Bay.

    How do I know this? I used to work for Contra Costa and I was recruited as probably the best statistician in county government to take part in a study to expose the scandal of the oil companies flaunting of air quality standards. We were going to talk about cancer.

    But we got crushed. The local politicians knew which side their bread was buttered on. I didn’t much care personally. I lived in San Francisco and commuted across the Bay. Also the carcinogens stayed out of the central Diablo Valley. Central county had lots of hay fever but the high cancer areas were over the hills near the Bay.

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    High rates of smoking and drinking accounted for the entire differential cancer incidence. That's according to a UC Berkeley statistics prof (Nicholas Jewell) who was paid to look into it, in the 80s.

    But, just to be safe, I do put my air on recirculate, when I drive through there (if I'm on my way to Tahoe or something).
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  45. black sea says:

    Out of all of America’s many vibrant communities, Bill McKibben has chosen to live in Ripton, VT (pop. 588).

    Ripton is 96% White, and as of 2010 recorded 12 residents of 2 or more races, 7 Hispanics, 4 Asians, and 1 American Indian. No African American residents were listed.

    I’m guessing that in Ripton a lot of his conversation– to the extent that McKibbin communicates with other residents at all — consists of listening to White guys. I don’t see how he can stand it.

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    • Replies: @ic1000
    Ripton, VT is a really nice place. Step off your front porch for a hike or snowshoe through woods and fields. Pretty much everything a SWPL could desire is less than an hour away -- microbreweries, farm-to-table, and Murray-bashing virtue signalling in Middlebury, skiing at Sugarbush, city vibrancy in Burlington, and the list goes on.

    C'mon, it's not doctors but patients who have to take their medicine!
    , @Jack D
    The hypocrisy is strong with this one!

    McKibben sees no problem with this because he is a member in good standing of the CotF. He has earned his membership by being a card carrying "environmentalist". There are many different ways you can qualify for membership in the CotF (many of which are naturally at odds with each other, but better to stay focused on hating the Man and ignore those): you can be gay, you can be black, you can be other kinds of non-white, you can be a feminist, you can be an environmentalist, etc. As long as you can check ONE box, you don't have to check them all, no problem. Probably 99% of the college educated suburban white Democrat demographic live in some sort of whitopia - no problem.
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  46. Ibound1 says:

    Has anyone in the Democrat Party bothered to look at environmental controls and attitudes in the Third World? Nothing shocked me so much in my travels as seeing people eating ice cream or candy outside and simply throwing the wrapper straight on the ground, without a thought, a practice I have seen repeated all over the world outside of: Indigenous Europe, pre-1965 North America, Japan, Singapore, South Korea. Everywhere else I have travelled, and I travel extensively, the population treats the outdoors like a trash can. (I have never been to Australia and New Zealand).

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  47. Pat Boyle says:
    @G Pinfold
    OT/ Steve, I know you’ve talked about avoidng the Big stories because everyone else has them covered, but the Spygate thing is getting HUGE now. If you’re experiencing an unexpected decline in page views, it’s probably because guys like me are down that rabbit hole and won’t be back up much until several shoes, or other cliches, fall.
    We will be back, because as great as it may be to hurl some chlorine on the swamp, the national question remains.

    Kinda hard to understand your point.

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    @G Pinfold is right. The Deep State went a few steps too far in meddling in the 2016 elections and didn’t cover its tracks well enough. The scandal now developing could wash away a lot of corruption and a lot of the corrupt people, organisations and corporations that make up the US’s other government.

    My first port of call always used to be this blog, but I now go to Conservative Tree House to catch up on the latest before coming here.
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  48. Whiskey says: • Website

    That’s great for Mckibben. He’s got his. What about White men who don’t? Are they all going to be enslaved like in the Ottoman Empire?

    I guess that’s how it works.

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  49. @The Anti-Gnostic
    McKibben didn't get the memo. White backpackers are going to lose their national parks against demands for affordable housing for all the new, non-backpacking Americans.

    That’s not going to happen until the US population hits ten billion or something! The national parks are almost all either far away from major population centers, or in steep high-altitude terrain; the slums and shantytowns will cover the Central Valley before they start expanding into Yosemite.

    What will, however, happen sooner is that we white backpackers won’t be able to reach Yosemite because of clogged and degraded roads along the way.

    (I mention Yosemite only because Steve’s out-of-state readers will have heard of it. In truth, Californians who like to backpack rarely go there. We go to thousands of other lovely places in the Sierra that don’t require reservations.)

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    " The national parks are almost all either far away from major population centers, or in steep high-altitude terrain..."


    If it can be reached by 25 year old pickup truck, Mexicans will dump their old furniture and mattresses there. Trust me on this.
    , @Anon
    Los Angeles National Forest east of Los Angeles is full of graffiti. So are the state parks. Mexicans actually enjoy camping sports and picnics in city and state parks.

    By Saturday and Sunday afternoons the city parks are a mess. But the park guys come by early AM and clean up the mess. I think it’s not so much the people are messy. It’s that with 15 Hispanics living in a 3 bedroom house, the neighborhoods and parks are so crowded on weekends the dumpsters and trash cans get filled up early

    There are some unusual and beautiful rock formations in S California. Take the train or drive along the roads and you can see graffiti on those rocks. It must be quite a macho feat to climb 90 feet to apply spray paint.
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  50. ic1000 says:
    @black sea
    Out of all of America's many vibrant communities, Bill McKibben has chosen to live in Ripton, VT (pop. 588).

    Ripton is 96% White, and as of 2010 recorded 12 residents of 2 or more races, 7 Hispanics, 4 Asians, and 1 American Indian. No African American residents were listed.

    I'm guessing that in Ripton a lot of his conversation-- to the extent that McKibbin communicates with other residents at all -- consists of listening to White guys. I don't see how he can stand it.

    Ripton, VT is a really nice place. Step off your front porch for a hike or snowshoe through woods and fields. Pretty much everything a SWPL could desire is less than an hour away — microbreweries, farm-to-table, and Murray-bashing virtue signalling in Middlebury, skiing at Sugarbush, city vibrancy in Burlington, and the list goes on.

    C’mon, it’s not doctors but patients who have to take their medicine!

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    C’mon, it’s not doctors but patients who have to take their medicine!
     
    Well and pithily said--the modern white "progressive" in a nutshell.
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  51. Anon[679] • Disclaimer says:

    “What will, however, happen sooner is that we white backpackers won’t be able to reach Yosemite because of clogged and degraded roads along the way.”

    And Mexican drug gangs growing marijuana in the forest, all protected by automatic rifles. The national parks already have a problem with that. It’s one of those things that don’t always get a lot of attention nationally.

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    There’s an area in Mendocino known as Death Valley because of all the growers and weed thieves killing each other over the years. It’s Whites killing Whites.

    Once they put up grow houses with alarms and pressure pads and big mean shepherds, Dobermans and pits in the grow houses the killings declined. Mendocino is a very very pro 2nd amendment county.

    It’s still known as Death Valley though. Weed’s been our biggest AG product since around 1980. The industry was truly a pioneer development

    Get you a copper kettle
    Get you a copper coil
    Get you some new made corn mash
    And never more will you toil.
    My Pappy made whiskey
    Granpappy did too
    We ain’t paid no whiskey tax
    Since 1792
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  52. Brutusale says:
    @Desiderius
    The guy who is listening to all the imprecations is the one with the power. He thinks it’s kind of great because that’s him.

    Yet again incredibly low levels of self-awareness. Maybe negative levels of self-awareness crosses over into projection?

    To paraphrase a Dan Jenkins line: Bill, when that black tribunal finally takes over, your trouble making white ass is the first one they execute.

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    And this is why we have the Second Amendment. Thank you, Justice Scalia and Senator Cruz.
    , @bomag
    I thought the posing and posturing by McKibben et al would buy them some time...
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  53. mckibben is an irish name.

    starting to notice the pattern yet?

    greg clark should do a project on american surnames and political and economic behavior. should be quite revealing as to what each european group does.

    for knowledge purposes, it’s time to get more sophisticated and stop thinking about all the europeans as one group. some of them haven’t worked out that well for america. others are the main contributors to certain fields.

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    McKibben is a Scottish name. It's also a very common Ulster-Scot name, which is what I suspect the life-long practising Methodist McKibben is like John McCain.

    Guy is essentially old-stock WASP unless you draw a distinction between Scots and Anglo-Saxons.

    , @Cagey Beast
    It warms my heart to know there are people out there who are still able to maintain a social circle that would make Edith Wharton proud. I sometimes fear the WASP has become hybridised, Africanised and frankly mongrelised but when I go into certain corners of the internet -- like this one -- I'm reassured.
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  54. Jack D says:

    My sense, after many days of such hearings, was that the Democratic Party at its best operated as a kind of support network for the decent people who get pushed around in America—people of color, working people, disabled people, gay people, people who have to breathe the fumes from refineries.

    This is just complete BS. Clearly, white men are included in “working people”, “people who have to breathe refinery fumes”, etc. but he sees no contradiction in the fact that they have been excluded from the parade of victims (and that is fundamentally his vision – the Democrat Party is a support group for victims – unless you can be slotted into some “victim” category then you are of no interest to the party. People who are not “victims” are of no more interest to the Party than teetotalers are at an AA meeting. In fact worse because if you are not a victim that means that you must be an oppressor). I can imagine that at this hearing each speaker would state xer name, place of residence and (most importantly) victimhood group.

    He has rationalized and internalized his hatred of the white working class. He saw no contradiction in the total lack of white speakers because working class white men are, by definition, not “decent people” – they are racist, gun loving, abortion hating Holy Rollers and KKK’ers and therefore automatically excluded from the ranks of the decent. Since they are not “decent” (i.e. supporters of the liberal Democrat agenda) they are not entitled to any mutual support from the “network” – in fact they should be punished, deplatformed, silenced for their lack of decency. Even if they are getting the short end of the stick from corporate America, they are not “decent” and not entitled to wear the holy mantle of victimhood and thus deserve whatever happens to them. This was the not-so-hidden message of the Hillary campaign and why she lost.

    It is a natural tendency of every group to define itself by its enemies. This can be a good strategy for creating group solidarity. Every little boys’ treehouse has a “no girls allowed” sign. You see it on the alt-right as well. But, successful political movements define their enemies very narrowly and their friends very inclusively, because if you put too many people on your enemies list you may find yourself short of a majority, Hillary. ( The flip side of this is that by the time alt-right people are done excluding people from their club, there will be 5 people left in America who qualify.)

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    there will be 5 people left in America who qualify
     
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  55. Hugh says:
    @Pat Boyle
    Kinda hard to understand your point.

    is right. The Deep State went a few steps too far in meddling in the 2016 elections and didn’t cover its tracks well enough. The scandal now developing could wash away a lot of corruption and a lot of the corrupt people, organisations and corporations that make up the US’s other government.

    My first port of call always used to be this blog, but I now go to Conservative Tree House to catch up on the latest before coming here.

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    I can only read so many rehashes of Asian discrimination at Harvard before my eyes glaze over.

    More often than not I scroll through and find things that were hot takes in 2012 popping up again. Kurt Schlicter of all people is more on the bleeding edge of commentary than this place.
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  56. Flip says:
    @Brutusale
    To paraphrase a Dan Jenkins line: Bill, when that black tribunal finally takes over, your trouble making white ass is the first one they execute.

    And this is why we have the Second Amendment. Thank you, Justice Scalia and Senator Cruz.

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  57. Sammler says: • Website

    “The energy companies have plenty of money to buy off the Congressional Black and Hispanic Caucuses.”

    Billionaires ftw, as usual.

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  58. The energy companies have plenty of money to buy off the Congressional Black and Hispanic Caucuses.

    As if white people cant be bought.

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    Steve's point is that RICH white people, the backbone of the environmental movement , are harder to buy.
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  60. Jack D says:
    @black sea
    Out of all of America's many vibrant communities, Bill McKibben has chosen to live in Ripton, VT (pop. 588).

    Ripton is 96% White, and as of 2010 recorded 12 residents of 2 or more races, 7 Hispanics, 4 Asians, and 1 American Indian. No African American residents were listed.

    I'm guessing that in Ripton a lot of his conversation-- to the extent that McKibbin communicates with other residents at all -- consists of listening to White guys. I don't see how he can stand it.

    The hypocrisy is strong with this one!

    McKibben sees no problem with this because he is a member in good standing of the CotF. He has earned his membership by being a card carrying “environmentalist”. There are many different ways you can qualify for membership in the CotF (many of which are naturally at odds with each other, but better to stay focused on hating the Man and ignore those): you can be gay, you can be black, you can be other kinds of non-white, you can be a feminist, you can be an environmentalist, etc. As long as you can check ONE box, you don’t have to check them all, no problem. Probably 99% of the college educated suburban white Democrat demographic live in some sort of whitopia – no problem.

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  61. @The Anti-Gnostic
    McKibben didn't get the memo. White backpackers are going to lose their national parks against demands for affordable housing for all the new, non-backpacking Americans.

    Be more worried about Chinese logging, charcoal and paper industry demands.

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  62. Jack D says:

    I agree that they aren’t going to be building favelas in Yosemite any time soon. But that doesn’t mean that Yosemite won’t be defaced with litter and graffiti and poop and other indicators of vibrancy. SWPL attitudes like reverence for nature are very unique to modern SWPLs and are not shared by a lot of other cultures (including past Americans who used to love to cut down 1,000 year old virgin forests to make popsicle sticks and and to kill every buffalo they could find – the past is a different country).

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    The other thing SWPLs do is historic conservation. Exhibit A in Japan is Alex Kerr, American who promoted conservation of Japanese arts and traditional architecture.

    I don't know of any non-whites who move abroad and promote preservation of foreign cultures.
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  63. anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:

    I recently lived in refinery country

    it would be IMPOSSIBLE to overstate how much blue collar workers making a good living on the gulf coast hate liberals.

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    I recently lived in refinery country

    it would be IMPOSSIBLE to overstate how much blue collar workers making a good living on the gulf coast hate liberals.
     
    The Democrats get votes from the parasites.

    The Republicans get votes from the productive.

    Is there anyone who produces more than those in the oil industry?
    , @Jack D
    And rightly so - Hillary let slip that she had planned a final solution for the environmental damage caused by coal mining (oops, shouldn't say final solution) - she would get rid of all the coal miners. No person, no problem. Of course she didn't want to literally gas them, just to put them on welfare and drugs so they could become Democrat clients. Or else they could earn $10/hr as Walmart greeters. Either way they could say goodbye to their middle class lifestyle.

    Does anyone doubt that the oil industry was not next on Hillary's "they all have to go" list? We were all going to drive electric cars fueled by wind energy and solar.

    So these guys understood on a visceral level that Hillary and Co. were not their friends.
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  64. …and notoriously unwilling to stand their ground

    Ha! They’re the ones who laid down the quicksand in the first place.

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  65. The people who most have to breathe the fumes from refineries are the people who work there and they like getting paid.

    I lived near a stinky Olin cigarette paper factory for a few months while in fifth grade. Intriguingly, I’ve never had problems with cigar or pipe smoke, but cigarette smoke makes me sick. It has a chemical stench that drives me out of the room.

    This was less pronounced when I was in Europe, for some reason. Someone told me it was because American tobacco is “sugar-cured”. Maybe, but I still blame Olin.

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  66. @Jaakko Raipala
    One thing that has been memory holed about environmentalism is how much of it was originally right-wing and specifically a landowning and nationalistic worldview. My grandfather was a right-wing politician and one thing he claimed as an achievement was passing regulations against polluting factories - he owned land near a lake that had been turned into a toxic mess by an upstream paper factory.

    The left in the 1950s was still a working class movement so they were the champions of building as much heavy industry as possible and communists and factory owners were perfectly happy to ally with each other in a push to let the factories do whatever they want. I guess it was an early omen of this era when the left has simply decided that the big capitalists are a progressive class after all - not at all like the landowning class that was "reacting" against the devaluation of its properties by industrial "progress".

    In Russia where they destroyed their landowning class there was no one to advocate for the land and the difference in results are rather obvious even though the starting point was very similar to Finland's in 1918. Letting the left claim environmentalism as their cause is one of the biggest failures of right-wing politics of the past half century.

    Letting the left claim environmentalism as their cause is one of the biggest failures of right-wing politics of the past half century.

    Which came first, commie takeover of environmental protection or insanity like the 1960’s DDT scare, OMG Ice Age of the 1970’s, or OMG Global Warming of the 1990’s? Conservationism is by definition conservative, but management and conservation of resources doesn’t equal OMG Never Kill a Whale, Whales Sacred! Environmentalism today is purely communism pitting natural conservationists like farmers, hunters, and outdoorsmen against those who want to eliminate property rights for Non-Party members who don’t reside in their gated subdivisions, coastal enclaves, or trendy gentrified urban lofts.

    Was there an actual takeover of conservationism or did the commies just steal the language for an opposite purpose as they did with “liberal”?

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  67. @anonymous
    I recently lived in refinery country


    it would be IMPOSSIBLE to overstate how much blue collar workers making a good living on the gulf coast hate liberals.

    I recently lived in refinery country

    it would be IMPOSSIBLE to overstate how much blue collar workers making a good living on the gulf coast hate liberals.

    The Democrats get votes from the parasites.

    The Republicans get votes from the productive.

    Is there anyone who produces more than those in the oil industry?

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    People of Color do most of the hard work

    Most of them vote democrat
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  68. @Clyde
    environmentalist Bill McKibben...He came in early and he came in hard as an uber eco-warrior, and sold many books. Propagandizing for a totally upper class white obsession - preoccupation. So now he has been transmogrified..so he sez...into the Democrat party ideal of the cuckifinated, de-balled, stale pale male cave in. He has seen the (black to brown) light.
    I liked him better as an eco-warrior. He did some "actual" good back then. Unless you count into the equation all the industries driven out of America, by eco-regulations and laws, and into Mexico, then China.

    Unless you count into the equation all the industries driven out of America, by eco-regulations and laws, and into Mexico, then China.

    I’d count that. If you count that, it means Mr. McKibben has probably helped make millions of Americans of all sorts more miserably in their lives, and that’s before he joined Big-Cuck.

    Let me tell you all about the California Air Resources Board sometimes. I had to stock up on a (hopefully) lifetime supply of the original-formula Olympic Water Seal, after I noticed the new CARB-mandated formula was not the same stuff.

    No, AnotherDad, I cannot spare even one pint. Sorry. ;-}

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  69. Tiny Duck says:
    @ben tillman

    I recently lived in refinery country

    it would be IMPOSSIBLE to overstate how much blue collar workers making a good living on the gulf coast hate liberals.
     
    The Democrats get votes from the parasites.

    The Republicans get votes from the productive.

    Is there anyone who produces more than those in the oil industry?

    People of Color do most of the hard work

    Most of them vote democrat

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  70. OT
    I called this

    New York State black dem introduces a bill making it illegal to call the police on black people

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ajplus/status/1030195732987310080

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    Because blacks have proven they are highly effective at settling disputes peacefully.
    , @J.Ross
    Consistent with opposition to stand-your-ground, babble about disparate impact, and the judge who came out of retirement in Ferguson saying that police should not worry about minor infractions. We could call it "break those windows."
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  71. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jaakko Raipala
    One thing that has been memory holed about environmentalism is how much of it was originally right-wing and specifically a landowning and nationalistic worldview. My grandfather was a right-wing politician and one thing he claimed as an achievement was passing regulations against polluting factories - he owned land near a lake that had been turned into a toxic mess by an upstream paper factory.

    The left in the 1950s was still a working class movement so they were the champions of building as much heavy industry as possible and communists and factory owners were perfectly happy to ally with each other in a push to let the factories do whatever they want. I guess it was an early omen of this era when the left has simply decided that the big capitalists are a progressive class after all - not at all like the landowning class that was "reacting" against the devaluation of its properties by industrial "progress".

    In Russia where they destroyed their landowning class there was no one to advocate for the land and the difference in results are rather obvious even though the starting point was very similar to Finland's in 1918. Letting the left claim environmentalism as their cause is one of the biggest failures of right-wing politics of the past half century.

    Generally speaking, the landowning class’s “environmentalism” i.e. opposition to industry was not “right wing” and “nationalistic”. Right wing and leftist nationalists typically supported land reform and industrial development, for obvious reasons. For example both the fascist Falange and the Spanish Republicans supported land reform and industrial development while the Spanish conservatives and monarchist groups wanted to retain the landowning class’s holdings and privileges. The landowning class was conservative and reactionary and had an interest in preserving the status quo as its economic and social privileges derived from pre-modern, pre-national arrangements. The landowning class was threatened by land reform and industry as they meant they had to compete with a new wealthy industrial class and because they would no longer have a poor peasant class tied to their land providing them with cheap labor. The former peasants would have their own land or higher wages from the higher productivity of industry.

    It’s a similar situation today. Populists and right wing nationalists want industry. Trump didn’t win West Virginia and the Rust Belt by saying that he was going to close down coal mines and shut down industry even more.

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  72. … the Democratic Party at its best operated as a kind of support network for the decent people who get pushed around in America.

    Yeah, we all know quite well who the people are who join official “support networks”. They are the same people who are members of multiple 12-step programs, still working on step 1 or 2 at each one. They ain’t got the time for jobs and stuff. The fringes indeed.

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  73. @Tiny Duck
    He understands that white males are a threat to civilization

    https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/08/16/deradicalizing-white-people/

    Only when white men are out of power will the country be able to worth a damn

    People of Color AGREE that white men are problematic

    If you vote republican you are a traitor

    He understands that white males are a threat to civilization

    You certainly are.

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  74. Altai says:
    @prime noticer
    mckibben is an irish name.

    starting to notice the pattern yet?

    greg clark should do a project on american surnames and political and economic behavior. should be quite revealing as to what each european group does.

    for knowledge purposes, it's time to get more sophisticated and stop thinking about all the europeans as one group. some of them haven't worked out that well for america. others are the main contributors to certain fields.

    McKibben is a Scottish name. It’s also a very common Ulster-Scot name, which is what I suspect the life-long practising Methodist McKibben is like John McCain.

    Guy is essentially old-stock WASP unless you draw a distinction between Scots and Anglo-Saxons.

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    i'm no expert, but i did google before i posted.

    McKibben genealogy

    irish. and based on decades of pattern recognition now, i know to look for irish genealogy first, when the person in question sort of looks like me, is doing something to wreck america, and is not one of the (those guys).

    it's not true that mc is always irish and mac is always scottish, but mckibben is an irish name according to the web. if i'm wrong, i'm wrong in this one case. but not in general.

    checking his wikipedia, i see no evidence that necessarily contradicts this. further web searching confirms he is not catholic. but all his moves, from california to boston, then new york city, and almost every one of his (associates) listed on his wikipedia page, as well as his (wife) , suggest he's got the U2 bono save the world/natural irish jewish alliance thing going on.

    i suppose morris dees is the counter example. known to be scottish.
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  75. @TelfoedJohn
    The individualist self-liberation of the 60s, where you and your friends would grab the reins of life and try something new, has been refracted through the prism of the materialist 80s. All the different colors emanating from that prism are just holding their hands out, asking for either the state or some billionaire to give them a share of the pie.

    From freak outs to shake downs. No one starts a commune anymore.

    No one starts a commune anymore.

    It was WAY too much work, John, so they all gave up. It’s very disheartening when you do more than your share of work because others in the Commune-ity are lazy and smoke a lot of dope, yet everyone gets the same amount of organic eggs, vegetables, cous-cous, and marijuana nonetheless. What the plan in lots of these places was is each would work and produce according to his ability or something, and everyone would eat and smoke according to his immediate need to do so .. it was something like that. Those bright commune-organizers had gotten those concepts from some old German guy off a book that their professors insisted they read.

    They said all of the inherent problems would go away if you try it on a much larger scale… YMMV

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    Hilariously, it turned out that the most effective communes were the most hardcore religious ones. That said, some "communes" still exist, and in fact, antifa draws a lot of their people from such "art groups." They get mysterious funding(Soros, basically) and run their own strange societies, quite focused around drugs and sex. They're quite cult-like, in spite of putting on a very decent appearance. I did some googling and found a pretty typical example from about a decade ago.

    http://upagainstthelaw.org/

    They tend to go under the name of "legal collective" these days, to my knowledge.
    , @Anon
    I always thought they were just male lecher scams to convince the women in the communes to be easily available .
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  76. Flip says:
    @Jimi
    In California and NYC the demographics are now majority non-white and bsaed on demographics whites should be pushed out of power. Yet in both these places white people seem to dominate and the cultural preferences of white liberals are respected.

    Bike lanes, trains, environmental protection, cultural liberalism, tight zoning rules to protect leafy inner suburbs, magnet public schools, I could go on and on. Hispterism is well alive and cultivated. And what is hispterism but a celebration of Victorian Anglo-Saxon culture?

    White Democrats will continue dominate the Democratic party for the foreseeable future.

    Whites are vastly outnumbered in much of Latin America by mixed race people but are still mostly in charge.

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    Yeah, anyone counting on the coalition of the fringes choosing less goodwhites to rule over us all anytime soon had better consider those examples.
    , @ben tillman

    Whites are vastly outnumbered in much of Latin America by mixed race people but are still mostly in charge.
     
    That's because those "whites" are mostly Jewish.
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  77. @Jaakko Raipala
    One thing that has been memory holed about environmentalism is how much of it was originally right-wing and specifically a landowning and nationalistic worldview. My grandfather was a right-wing politician and one thing he claimed as an achievement was passing regulations against polluting factories - he owned land near a lake that had been turned into a toxic mess by an upstream paper factory.

    The left in the 1950s was still a working class movement so they were the champions of building as much heavy industry as possible and communists and factory owners were perfectly happy to ally with each other in a push to let the factories do whatever they want. I guess it was an early omen of this era when the left has simply decided that the big capitalists are a progressive class after all - not at all like the landowning class that was "reacting" against the devaluation of its properties by industrial "progress".

    In Russia where they destroyed their landowning class there was no one to advocate for the land and the difference in results are rather obvious even though the starting point was very similar to Finland's in 1918. Letting the left claim environmentalism as their cause is one of the biggest failures of right-wing politics of the past half century.

    One of the firebrands of Finnish right-wing environmentalism is Pentti Linkola:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentti_Linkola

    In the UK, the animal rights cause has often been a rightwing thing: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1353870/Neo-nazis-join-animal-rights-groups.html

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    The ur-Nazis were big into animal rights:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany
    , @Jaakko Raipala
    Linkola is not right-wing, he is a pro-human-extinction weirdo and his audience here is leftist. He calls his dream of a dictatorship that eradicates most of the human population "ecofascism" which gets some American white nationalists excited but no, it's the usual story of leftist academia getting kicks out of a guy who rejects conventional morality.

    His writings always follow the formula of "human lives are bad for the environment so ending human lives is good and saving human lives is bad" and "intellectuals" love his morally inverted takes. So the sinking of the Titanic should be celebrated because it snuffed out human lives and the rescuers were the real monsters of the story - real heroes would have clubbed the drowning. He praises every dictator because he is pro-death-camps so Hitler and Stalin are both better to him than democracy and its lack of death camps.

    To me he just seems to be a man with chronic depression which has led him to extreme misanthropy.

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  78. @Pat Boyle
    Most of the point air pollution in the San Francisco Bay Area originates in Contra Costa county where these towns reside. It comes from the refineries along the Richmond shore of the Bay.

    How do I know this? I used to work for Contra Costa and I was recruited as probably the best statistician in county government to take part in a study to expose the scandal of the oil companies flaunting of air quality standards. We were going to talk about cancer.

    But we got crushed. The local politicians knew which side their bread was buttered on. I didn't much care personally. I lived in San Francisco and commuted across the Bay. Also the carcinogens stayed out of the central Diablo Valley. Central county had lots of hay fever but the high cancer areas were over the hills near the Bay.

    High rates of smoking and drinking accounted for the entire differential cancer incidence. That’s according to a UC Berkeley statistics prof (Nicholas Jewell) who was paid to look into it, in the 80s.

    But, just to be safe, I do put my air on recirculate, when I drive through there (if I’m on my way to Tahoe or something).

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  79. @ic1000
    Ripton, VT is a really nice place. Step off your front porch for a hike or snowshoe through woods and fields. Pretty much everything a SWPL could desire is less than an hour away -- microbreweries, farm-to-table, and Murray-bashing virtue signalling in Middlebury, skiing at Sugarbush, city vibrancy in Burlington, and the list goes on.

    C'mon, it's not doctors but patients who have to take their medicine!

    C’mon, it’s not doctors but patients who have to take their medicine!

    Well and pithily said–the modern white “progressive” in a nutshell.

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  80. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jaakko Raipala
    One thing that has been memory holed about environmentalism is how much of it was originally right-wing and specifically a landowning and nationalistic worldview. My grandfather was a right-wing politician and one thing he claimed as an achievement was passing regulations against polluting factories - he owned land near a lake that had been turned into a toxic mess by an upstream paper factory.

    The left in the 1950s was still a working class movement so they were the champions of building as much heavy industry as possible and communists and factory owners were perfectly happy to ally with each other in a push to let the factories do whatever they want. I guess it was an early omen of this era when the left has simply decided that the big capitalists are a progressive class after all - not at all like the landowning class that was "reacting" against the devaluation of its properties by industrial "progress".

    In Russia where they destroyed their landowning class there was no one to advocate for the land and the difference in results are rather obvious even though the starting point was very similar to Finland's in 1918. Letting the left claim environmentalism as their cause is one of the biggest failures of right-wing politics of the past half century.
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  81. Anonymous[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    The Democrat Party's Coalition of the Fringes is hoping White women with college degrees will overlook the fact that the Democrat Party is anti-White.

    I notice a lot of White women with college degrees -- such as Hillary Clinton -- go out of their way to live in mostly White towns and neighborhoods.

    White women without college degrees in the Great Lakes states might have been the boost Trump needed to win Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. These White women without college degrees were happy Trump was promising that he would stop sending their sons to go fight wars in the Middle East and West Asia on behalf of Israel.

    White women without college degrees also don't like the open borders aspects of all these sovereignty-sapping trade deal scams such as NAFTA. White women without college degrees also don't like foreigners invading the United States under the cover of mass legal immigration and illegal immigration.

    White women with college degrees will eventually notice that the remainder of the anti-White
    Democrat Party hates White people.

    Tweet From 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/598482971532759041

    Hillary even lost white women with college degrees to Trump. There’s definitely hope …

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    Hillary even lost white women with college degrees to Trump. There’s definitely hope …

     

    If any White women with college degrees in Chappaqua, New York happen to let it be known that they voted for Trump they run the risk of getting an empty cardboard box of wine thrown at them by Chappaqua resident Hillary Clinton.

    Hillary Clinton moved to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York in order to avoid having to live cheek by jowl with Blacks and other non-Whites.

    Hillary Clinton thinks it's just fine that White women without college degrees have to live cheek by jowl with Blacks and other non-Whites.

    Hillary Clinton is a baby boomer hypocrite!
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  82. Benjaminl says:

    Off-topic:

    The news that we live in a Borderless World apparently hasn’t affected the worldwide Chinese campaign to steal looted Chinese artworks from museums and return them to their rightful homeland.

    https://www.gq.com/story/the-great-chinese-art-heist

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    In each case, the robbers focused their efforts on art and antiquities from China, especially items that had been looted by foreign armies. Many of these objects are well documented and publicly known, making them very hard to sell and difficult to display. In most cases the pieces have not been recovered; they seem to simply vanish….

    Even art-crime experts, though, are quick to acknowledge that the situation might look different from China’s perspective. Noah Charney, a professor of art history and founder of the Association for Research into Crimes Against Art, says that when it comes to winning back their lost art, the Chinese can’t imagine how such a thing would be wrong. “It’s almost like there’s a fog around it from a criminological perspective,” he said. “It’s like another planet, in terms of the way people think about what art is, what authenticity is, what is socially unacceptable to do.”…

    Liu seems ambivalent toward the plight of burgled museums, especially a place like the Fontainebleau, which he says holds more looted Chinese art than any other institution on earth and advertises the collection’s origins as plunder from the sacking of the Old Summer Palace. “Displaying these objects in European museums is like a theft itself—they’re just showing it off without concern,” Liu said. “I know that we won’t get everything back in my lifetime,” he continued. “We will never give up, we will never stop—no matter the effort. We need [the Chinese] people to see that everything that belonged to us is coming back.”…

    “We can’t ignore that the art was taken illegally,” even if it was being well cared for, he said. “If you kidnapped my children and then treated them well, the crime is still not forgiven.”…

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  83. Sunbeam says:
    @G Pinfold
    OT/ Steve, I know you’ve talked about avoidng the Big stories because everyone else has them covered, but the Spygate thing is getting HUGE now. If you’re experiencing an unexpected decline in page views, it’s probably because guys like me are down that rabbit hole and won’t be back up much until several shoes, or other cliches, fall.
    We will be back, because as great as it may be to hurl some chlorine on the swamp, the national question remains.

    “OT/ Steve, I know you’ve talked about avoidng the Big stories because everyone else has them covered, but the Spygate thing is getting HUGE now.”

    I know the feeling. Something big, in plain view and no one on this site seems to notice (Autism is Hell).

    Anyway, Qanon is a whole heck of a lot bigger than Spygate (though in the worldview they are realated of course).

    And Pizzagate isn’t being discussed either. It may surprise some, but that has definitely not been forgotten, just morphed into Qanon.

    We’ll see. I have a heck of a time believing the Justice Department could prosecute 45,000 sealed indictments, particularly since most of the names we’ve seen have serious money.

    But the point is myopia. Whatever the truth, we have a significant fraction of the population that believes our elites are Satanic pedophiles, who practice human sacrifice and cannibalism at times.

    Tinfoil all you want. But I’m telling you this is almost at the pitchfork and mob point.

    Depends on where you live I guess. But if all the network stations announced Trump declared Martial Law, and snatched 45,000 people and put them in detention, including names everyone knows…

    Well a whole lot more people than the average commenter on this site will believe, will wholeheartedly support it.

    At this point, it sort of doesn’t matter whether any of it is true. The point is I can walk out the door and find someone without too much trouble that believes Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg are pedophiles.

    And frankly if you look at any of the material floating around out there produced willingly by Dan Harmon and James Gunn it is pretty darn easy to believe.

    Who knows, maybe this whole thing fits a social niche like the Ghost Dance thing Indians had going in the late 1800′s. Or Cargo Cults.

    But the fact is, – if America were a football team, they’d be saying the coach lost the team.

    Yes, it is that bad. Hispanics and Blacks have always had their own thing, and reasons for this or that.

    But the elites have lost Hooterville.

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    "Anyway, Qanon is a whole heck of a lot bigger than Spygate (though in the worldview they are realated of course)."

    Did it not occur to you that Mr. Sailer is NOTICING Qanon as not being worthy of NOTICING because he steers clear from such conspiracy theories? See, he rather not run the risk of running at the mouth on this topic and it is found to be nothing more than tin-foil ass hattery. Now, of course, if 45,000 sealed indictments are unleashed, and Shitlery, Obama, and their merry band of followers are arrested, then Mr. Sailer will throw in in his two cents. And the only way for Qanon to be completely legitimized is if those two things happen. Remember, Qanon said in October 2017 that Shitlery and Obama were to be locked up. Nothing occurred. Now, it has been told that this is the year they will be dragged off in cuffs.

    "Whatever the truth, we have a significant fraction of the population that believes our elites are Satanic pedophiles, who practice human sacrifice and cannibalism at times."

    And what happens if it is not the truth after all, that people have been in reality duped? Will you and others go on the record to say they were perpetually misled?

    And speaking of "truth", Alt Right leader Vox Day qualifies QANON--maybe he is a fraud, but even if he is, look at what he has done--Who Q happens to be and whether everything that Q says is 100 percent accurate or not, you know, these things are not even relevant points, they're not even relevant questions.

    , @G Pinfold
    You make a lot of good points, some of them quite bleak, too.
    As for Q, I had never heard of it until sometime after I had read the first IG report. Before that, I was already steeped in the primary material released mainly through the work of Nunes in Congress. So Q is amusing, like Pepe, but not directly relevant.
    Journalists covering the emerging material include Andrew MCarthy, Mollie Hemingway, Chuck Ross, Lee Smith, George Neumayr, Byron York, Kim Strassel and John Solomon. This is not the Pizzagate crowd.
    Ah, but the WP and NYT are not touching it, you say? I won’t spoil the ending for you but it turns out that the establishment media is part of the story.
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  84. Jack D says:
    @anonymous
    I recently lived in refinery country


    it would be IMPOSSIBLE to overstate how much blue collar workers making a good living on the gulf coast hate liberals.

    And rightly so – Hillary let slip that she had planned a final solution for the environmental damage caused by coal mining (oops, shouldn’t say final solution) – she would get rid of all the coal miners. No person, no problem. Of course she didn’t want to literally gas them, just to put them on welfare and drugs so they could become Democrat clients. Or else they could earn $10/hr as Walmart greeters. Either way they could say goodbye to their middle class lifestyle.

    Does anyone doubt that the oil industry was not next on Hillary’s “they all have to go” list? We were all going to drive electric cars fueled by wind energy and solar.

    So these guys understood on a visceral level that Hillary and Co. were not their friends.

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    Either way they could say goodbye to their middle class lifestyle.
     
    By the way, it is really FAIR that some gun loving yahoo with a high school education has a house and a car and a boat and an RV while I, with my degree in gender studies from Brown, have to share a studio in Brooklyn and ride my bike to my job at the non-profit? Is that fair?
    , @Anonymous
    The real beneficiary of electric cars in the long run will be the nuclear power industry.

    Nuclear power plants-whether the conventional ones we have today or the futuristic ones proposed like high temperature gas cooled thorium fueled ones- run economically when they run continuously at a single design power setting. But the power utilities have a load that has a big "crest factor"-at maximum load they are having to produce several times more power than at minimum load, overnights on nights not too cold nor too hot. Electric cars will mostly charge at off peak times and flatten out that crest factor, making nukes capable of running economically and constantly, and making them much more attractive, and at the same time blunting public opposition to them because Joe Average will have more of a dog in the fight for cheap power to charge his car.
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  85. J.Ross says: • Website

    >miserable hotel ballroom
    These people are the most privileged and least grateful people who ever lived. Uncle Ted was right, these are people who are scared of going out and competitively striving. They are statists and parasites, not out of utopianism, but deep self-worth issues.

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  86. anon[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @27 year old
    OT
    I called this

    New York State black dem introduces a bill making it illegal to call the police on black people

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ajplus/status/1030195732987310080

    Because blacks have proven they are highly effective at settling disputes peacefully.

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    SUFFOLK, Va (WTKR) — An argument over Aretha Franklin led to a shooting, witnesses told police in one Virginia town Thursday.

    Suffolk Police responded to a report of a gunshot victim Thursday morning around 10:45 a.m. in the 300 block of East Washington Street.

    CBS affiliate WTKR reports a witness said he heard the two people in the argument were fighting over whether or not Halle Berry played Aretha Franklin in a movie.

    Police said the fight turned physical and then one of the subjects produced a firearm, shooting the other man at least once.

    Police said the gunshot victim is considered to be in serious condition.
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  87. JohnnyD says:

    Also, if you’re serious about environmentalism, you have to consider restricting immigration, which is also a non-starter with today’s Democratic Party.

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  88. @Hugh
    @G Pinfold is right. The Deep State went a few steps too far in meddling in the 2016 elections and didn’t cover its tracks well enough. The scandal now developing could wash away a lot of corruption and a lot of the corrupt people, organisations and corporations that make up the US’s other government.

    My first port of call always used to be this blog, but I now go to Conservative Tree House to catch up on the latest before coming here.

    I can only read so many rehashes of Asian discrimination at Harvard before my eyes glaze over.

    More often than not I scroll through and find things that were hot takes in 2012 popping up again. Kurt Schlicter of all people is more on the bleeding edge of commentary than this place.

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    Los Angeles National Forest east of Los Angeles is full of graffiti. So are the state parks. Mexicans actually enjoy camping sports and picnics in city and state parks.

    By Saturday and Sunday afternoons the city parks are a mess. But the park guys come by early AM and clean up the mess. I think it’s not so much the people are messy. It’s that with 15 Hispanics living in a 3 bedroom house, the neighborhoods and parks are so crowded on weekends the dumpsters and trash cans get filled up early

    There are some unusual and beautiful rock formations in S California. Take the train or drive along the roads and you can see graffiti on those rocks. It must be quite a macho feat to climb 90 feet to apply spray paint.
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  89. Jack D says:
    @Jack D
    And rightly so - Hillary let slip that she had planned a final solution for the environmental damage caused by coal mining (oops, shouldn't say final solution) - she would get rid of all the coal miners. No person, no problem. Of course she didn't want to literally gas them, just to put them on welfare and drugs so they could become Democrat clients. Or else they could earn $10/hr as Walmart greeters. Either way they could say goodbye to their middle class lifestyle.

    Does anyone doubt that the oil industry was not next on Hillary's "they all have to go" list? We were all going to drive electric cars fueled by wind energy and solar.

    So these guys understood on a visceral level that Hillary and Co. were not their friends.

    Either way they could say goodbye to their middle class lifestyle.

    By the way, it is really FAIR that some gun loving yahoo with a high school education has a house and a car and a boat and an RV while I, with my degree in gender studies from Brown, have to share a studio in Brooklyn and ride my bike to my job at the non-profit? Is that fair?

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    I know you're only being semi-serious but there is actually something to this. When the Badwhites lived in the SF bay area I had quite a few conversations with leftists who felt this way - almost all were women, usually wives or girlfriends of men I knew socially.

    Similar to Asians who believe that because they managed a certain standardized test score, they are therefore owed admission to HYPS, there exists a class of people (that have been educated far beyond their intelligence imo) that expect whatever perceived social strata they hold to be reflected financially and really resent it when reality intrudes.

    One woman (a government attorney) was absolutely indignant that an airline pilot she dated in the past made significantly more money than she did, despite him holding "only" a bachelor's degree. She ended the relationship because not only wouldn't he concede there was something wrong with this, he "humiliated" her by pointing out that unlike her, he held a useful skill. I told her he sounds like a guy I'd get along with and she stomped off.
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  90. anon[358] • Disclaimer says:

    Canada either exports dirty tar sands oil or their economy is dead. Balance of payments, currency, etc.Kinder Morgan had to sell that pipeline to the Canadian government, who will build it.

    The spread between West Texas Intermediate and Western Canada Select is $20/bbl.

    Canada really wants to export the stuff while they oppose it.

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  91. @utu
    Where was Bill McKibben when David Gelbaum bought off Sierra Club?

    HOW THE SIERRA CLUB WAS HIJACKED BY OPEN BORDERS RADICALS
    https://www.capsweb.org/blog/how-sierra-club-was-hijacked-open-borders-radicals

    Gelbaum, who reads the Spanish-language newspaper La Opinión and is married to a Mexican American, said his views on immigration were shaped long ago by his grandfather, Abraham, a watchmaker who had come to America to escape persecution of Jews in Ukraine before World War I.

    “I asked, ‘Abe, what do you think about all of these Mexicans coming here?’” Gelbaum said. “Abe didn't speak English that well. He said, ‘I came here. How can I tell them not to come?’

    “I cannot support an organization that is anti-immigration. It would dishonor the memory of my grandparents.”
     

    “I cannot support an organization that is anti-immigration. It would dishonor the memory of my grandparents.”

    Like all progressives, Gelbaum chooses his grandparents over his grandchildren. Shouldn’t they be called “regressives” instead of progressives?

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    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    You took the words (or sentiment) right out of my mouth. When my self-proclaimed progressive friend protested to me; "but TC, I can't oppose immigration, my mother was an immigrant after WW2." I thought that over and said back, "Believing in something because your mother believed in it is not progressive, its as conservative as can be."

    Amazingly, he agreed. We still talk, but not as much as we used to and it's a bit strained because we have to avoid certain issues.
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  92. @TelfoedJohn
    One of the firebrands of Finnish right-wing environmentalism is Pentti Linkola:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentti_Linkola

    In the UK, the animal rights cause has often been a rightwing thing: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1353870/Neo-nazis-join-animal-rights-groups.html

    The ur-Nazis were big into animal rights:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany

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    NSDAP seems to have been the first Green party. It's easy to find articles and books about their Greenness.
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  93. @Anonymous
    Hillary even lost white women with college degrees to Trump. There's definitely hope ...

    Hillary even lost white women with college degrees to Trump. There’s definitely hope …

    If any White women with college degrees in Chappaqua, New York happen to let it be known that they voted for Trump they run the risk of getting an empty cardboard box of wine thrown at them by Chappaqua resident Hillary Clinton.

    Hillary Clinton moved to the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York in order to avoid having to live cheek by jowl with Blacks and other non-Whites.

    Hillary Clinton thinks it’s just fine that White women without college degrees have to live cheek by jowl with Blacks and other non-Whites.

    Hillary Clinton is a baby boomer hypocrite!

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  94. J.Ross says: • Website
    @27 year old
    OT
    I called this

    New York State black dem introduces a bill making it illegal to call the police on black people

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ajplus/status/1030195732987310080

    Consistent with opposition to stand-your-ground, babble about disparate impact, and the judge who came out of retirement in Ferguson saying that police should not worry about minor infractions. We could call it “break those windows.”

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  95. @Achmed E. Newman

    No one starts a commune anymore.
     
    It was WAY too much work, John, so they all gave up. It's very disheartening when you do more than your share of work because others in the Commune-ity are lazy and smoke a lot of dope, yet everyone gets the same amount of organic eggs, vegetables, cous-cous, and marijuana nonetheless. What the plan in lots of these places was is each would work and produce according to his ability or something, and everyone would eat and smoke according to his immediate need to do so .. it was something like that. Those bright commune-organizers had gotten those concepts from some old German guy off a book that their professors insisted they read.

    They said all of the inherent problems would go away if you try it on a much larger scale... YMMV

    Hilariously, it turned out that the most effective communes were the most hardcore religious ones. That said, some “communes” still exist, and in fact, antifa draws a lot of their people from such “art groups.” They get mysterious funding(Soros, basically) and run their own strange societies, quite focused around drugs and sex. They’re quite cult-like, in spite of putting on a very decent appearance. I did some googling and found a pretty typical example from about a decade ago.

    http://upagainstthelaw.org/

    They tend to go under the name of “legal collective” these days, to my knowledge.

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    The survival of communes into the age of everybody getting a trophy can be deadly: check out Ghost Ship. In brief, an uninspected illegal squat filled with flammable materials (including a homemade lumber mezzanine with only one point of egress) was used as an "artistic space" and music venue, and then all of a sudden there was this fire ...
    , @TelfoedJohn
    I read somewhere that of the hundreds of communes started in the US, only the religious ones survive. I guess you’re more likely to succeed if you believe there’s a higher power looking down on you, rather than believe that Dave should do the washing up and not you, because you’re too busy fighting systemic oppression, man. Self-righteousness can only disguise laziness and incompetence for so long.
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  96. bomag says:
    @Brutusale
    To paraphrase a Dan Jenkins line: Bill, when that black tribunal finally takes over, your trouble making white ass is the first one they execute.

    I thought the posing and posturing by McKibben et al would buy them some time…

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  97. bomag says:
    @Jack D

    My sense, after many days of such hearings, was that the Democratic Party at its best operated as a kind of support network for the decent people who get pushed around in America—people of color, working people, disabled people, gay people, people who have to breathe the fumes from refineries.
     
    This is just complete BS. Clearly, white men are included in "working people", "people who have to breathe refinery fumes", etc. but he sees no contradiction in the fact that they have been excluded from the parade of victims (and that is fundamentally his vision - the Democrat Party is a support group for victims - unless you can be slotted into some "victim" category then you are of no interest to the party. People who are not "victims" are of no more interest to the Party than teetotalers are at an AA meeting. In fact worse because if you are not a victim that means that you must be an oppressor). I can imagine that at this hearing each speaker would state xer name, place of residence and (most importantly) victimhood group.

    He has rationalized and internalized his hatred of the white working class. He saw no contradiction in the total lack of white speakers because working class white men are, by definition, not "decent people" - they are racist, gun loving, abortion hating Holy Rollers and KKK'ers and therefore automatically excluded from the ranks of the decent. Since they are not "decent" (i.e. supporters of the liberal Democrat agenda) they are not entitled to any mutual support from the "network" - in fact they should be punished, deplatformed, silenced for their lack of decency. Even if they are getting the short end of the stick from corporate America, they are not "decent" and not entitled to wear the holy mantle of victimhood and thus deserve whatever happens to them. This was the not-so-hidden message of the Hillary campaign and why she lost.

    It is a natural tendency of every group to define itself by its enemies. This can be a good strategy for creating group solidarity. Every little boys' treehouse has a "no girls allowed" sign. You see it on the alt-right as well. But, successful political movements define their enemies very narrowly and their friends very inclusively, because if you put too many people on your enemies list you may find yourself short of a majority, Hillary. ( The flip side of this is that by the time alt-right people are done excluding people from their club, there will be 5 people left in America who qualify.)

    there will be 5 people left in America who qualify

    LOL

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  98. J.Ross says: • Website

    OT Sleepy Jeff deports the Screamingly Pecuniary Law Center from government programs!

    The Jewish extremist Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) hate group has been given the boot from all formal partner programs with the US Government, Attorney General Jeff Sessions has announced.

    Link:

    http://newobserveronline.com/jewish-hate-group-splc-gets-boot-from-us-federal-government-partnership-programs/

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    • Replies: @L Woods
    Long, long overdue.
    , @Joe Stalin
    I was listening to public radio (WBEZ) early this week (All gun control all the time; how can they do that with a straight face?) and amazingly enough, the $PLC was mentioned as sponsors.
    , @Anon
    Oh thank God thank God thank God. It’s the best news I’ve heard in a long time.
    , @ben tillman
    That's good news. The ADL needs to be next.
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  99. Dtbb says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    McKibben didn't get the memo. White backpackers are going to lose their national parks against demands for affordable housing for all the new, non-backpacking Americans.

    I guess they drop their packs aftet illegally crossing the border.

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  100. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Daniel Chieh
    Hilariously, it turned out that the most effective communes were the most hardcore religious ones. That said, some "communes" still exist, and in fact, antifa draws a lot of their people from such "art groups." They get mysterious funding(Soros, basically) and run their own strange societies, quite focused around drugs and sex. They're quite cult-like, in spite of putting on a very decent appearance. I did some googling and found a pretty typical example from about a decade ago.

    http://upagainstthelaw.org/

    They tend to go under the name of "legal collective" these days, to my knowledge.

    The survival of communes into the age of everybody getting a trophy can be deadly: check out Ghost Ship. In brief, an uninspected illegal squat filled with flammable materials (including a homemade lumber mezzanine with only one point of egress) was used as an “artistic space” and music venue, and then all of a sudden there was this fire …

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  101. L Woods says:
    @J.Ross
    OT Sleepy Jeff deports the Screamingly Pecuniary Law Center from government programs!

    The Jewish extremist Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) hate group has been given the boot from all formal partner programs with the US Government, Attorney General Jeff Sessions has announced.

     

    Link:

    http://newobserveronline.com/jewish-hate-group-splc-gets-boot-from-us-federal-government-partnership-programs/

    Long, long overdue.

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  102. @utu
    Where was Bill McKibben when David Gelbaum bought off Sierra Club?

    HOW THE SIERRA CLUB WAS HIJACKED BY OPEN BORDERS RADICALS
    https://www.capsweb.org/blog/how-sierra-club-was-hijacked-open-borders-radicals

    Gelbaum, who reads the Spanish-language newspaper La Opinión and is married to a Mexican American, said his views on immigration were shaped long ago by his grandfather, Abraham, a watchmaker who had come to America to escape persecution of Jews in Ukraine before World War I.

    “I asked, ‘Abe, what do you think about all of these Mexicans coming here?’” Gelbaum said. “Abe didn't speak English that well. He said, ‘I came here. How can I tell them not to come?’

    “I cannot support an organization that is anti-immigration. It would dishonor the memory of my grandparents.”
     

    It seems like only yesterday the SPLC was warning us that the Sierra Club had been infiltrated by ‘Nazis.’ What is it, East Germany?

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    The nazis were enthusiastic environmentalists. But that’s an old German thing.
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  103. @International Jew
    That's not going to happen until the US population hits ten billion or something! The national parks are almost all either far away from major population centers, or in steep high-altitude terrain; the slums and shantytowns will cover the Central Valley before they start expanding into Yosemite.

    What will, however, happen sooner is that we white backpackers won't be able to reach Yosemite because of clogged and degraded roads along the way.

    (I mention Yosemite only because Steve's out-of-state readers will have heard of it. In truth, Californians who like to backpack rarely go there. We go to thousands of other lovely places in the Sierra that don't require reservations.)

    ” The national parks are almost all either far away from major population centers, or in steep high-altitude terrain…”

    If it can be reached by 25 year old pickup truck, Mexicans will dump their old furniture and mattresses there. Trust me on this.

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  104. @Flip
    Whites are vastly outnumbered in much of Latin America by mixed race people but are still mostly in charge.

    Yeah, anyone counting on the coalition of the fringes choosing less goodwhites to rule over us all anytime soon had better consider those examples.

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  105. I recently spent three days hiking Glacier National Park. It’s the height of summer so it’s a busy place, many folks on the trails. In the entire three days, I saw one person of African descent and this was a 12 year old kid who was clearly part of an organized camp program of some type with kindly White counselor escorting the kids along. My girlfriend noticed something else, redheads. Yep redheads, she was constantly going oh there’s another redhead. At the park, they clearly were representing at a much higher rate then in general USA demographics.

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    I too, am stunned how so many people look like my family members, especially in Montana. Why red hair: The Mountain West (& ND, SD, ID) are full of the descendants of Norwegians, Danes, Finns and Dutch*. (Swedes settled more in MN/WI/MI). Norwegians & Finns were attracted to the austerity of the landscapes that felt like home; Danes & Dutch saw the beautiful, very wide valleys with great rivers since most became dairy farmers/grain farmers.

    Most of the early settlers, before they could start-up the dairy farm, or grain farm, the still, the lumber yard, the carpentry, farrier, etc., buiz, came for the forestry, lumber and mining work which was plentiful, but very hard work - they often lived in camps, much like barracks. Funny factoid: young women from Finland, Norway & Denmark, Holland were sent for (by business owners) to come and cook, clean, do laundry at these work camps. The men would get drunk and fight too much, so sending for women, who eventually would marry and civilize these men, was very unique in USA history. Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, ND, SD (and, of course MN, WI, MI) have the most Nordic looking people (& Dutch...but still blondies) in the USA.

    School starts soon, and kids from Montana are taken up to Glacier (more remote than Yellowstone) for bonding experiences. My son & gf were there in early December , and he said it was sublime because it was deserted.

    * there are two towns called Manhattan & Amsterdam to the west of Livingston & Bozeman. Boze & Livingston were name after historical people...but the Dutch named their towns, along the former railroad, to revere their former homeland.

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  106. JimB says:

    Bill McKibben looks like an alien from the first season of Star Trek TNG.

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  107. fnn says:
    @Stan Adams
    The ur-Nazis were big into animal rights:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany

    NSDAP seems to have been the first Green party. It’s easy to find articles and books about their Greenness.

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  108. Beene1 says:

    “The Coalition of the Fringes” = the party that’s won the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections.

    “The majority” = the party that can’t win more votes than the other side to save its life, even with typically higher turnout rates. And what could be less fringey than voting for a reality show nutcase with an orange mane? Also known as “The Silent Majority” (the silent majority are the dead, by the way).

    Makes sense.

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    No Democratic presidential candidate has won the majority of Whites' votes since 1964 (in the wake of JFK's assassination, just under a year before, and with the Establishment media demonizing Barry Goldwater as a nuclear warmonger). Barack Obama is the only Democratic presidential candidate to win a majority of the popular vote since Jimmy Carter managed to garner 50.1% of the popular vote in 1976 (in the wake of the Watergate scandal, against an unelected president who had ascended from being an unelected vice president, pardoned his highly unpopular predecessor, and broken his own promise not to run in his own right). Obama was elected in 2008 in the immediate wake of the mass implosion of the American economy, and with the most worshipful press in the history of the nation. In 2012, the media-favored incumbent dropped from 52.9% of the popular vote, and a 7.2% spread over the hapless John McCain, to 51.1% of the popular vote, and a 3.9% spread over the feckless Mitt Romney. In 2016, Hillary Clinton managed to garner only 48.2% of the popular vote, despite having the Establishment of BOTH parties behind her, the Establishment media's virtually serving as her campaign's PR wing by demonizing her opponent, as they had since the very day that he announced his candidacy, and her opponent's not bothering even to campaign in the most populous state, because demographic change has rendered it a de facto one-party Democratic state, greatly suppressing the Republican minority's voter turnout, even during a presidential election.
    , @BenKenobi

    little recent commenting history
     
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  109. @peterike

    “You know what’s interesting: we haven’t heard from a white guy yet.” She took a minute to look up and down her agenda to make sure I was right, and then she flashed me a wide grin. “Now you know how it feels,” she said.
     
    I always find this remarkable: the constant complaint that we "never hear" the "voices" of people of color, women and gays. Yet somehow, everywhere I look, I am bombarded with the voices of people of color, women and gays, and nearly always directly at the expense of whites. What we actually never hear are the voices of whites as whites. But the Lees and McKibbens of the world would have you think that the media is a non-stop celebration of white supremacy.

    I wonder, do they really believe this rot that they're being "silenced"? Or do they know they're just playing a game and they have a winning hand?

    “I always find this remarkable: the constant complaint that we “never hear” the “voices” of people of color, women and gays. Yet somehow, everywhere I look, I am bombarded with the voices of people of color, women and gays, and nearly always directly at the expense of whites.”

    Yes, but in 1945 we mostly heard from FDR, Truman, Oppenheimer, Churchill, MacArthur, Stalin, Hemingway, Bogart, and other white men. So, the Current Year is oppressed by the past.

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    Listening to memorial reruns of interviews with the late Aretha Franklin, who was the daughter of a successful touring preacher, one is struck by how she not only avoids ebonics, but is speaking better American English than her interviewer without sounding pretentious. That used to be a priority for them. If you watch old stuff you generally see pushed-casting of articulate blacks in brief roles (eg, the Alfred Hitchcock Presents episode where a perfect alibi is twisted into a technically unjust conviction, which briefly features a well-spoken black bartender. It stars the "thug-angel" from the New Jersey traffic safety film about the resurrection of typical driver Joe Doakes). Maybe if they want more people to listen to them they could bother to speak more clearly.
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  110. @Altai
    McKibben is a Scottish name. It's also a very common Ulster-Scot name, which is what I suspect the life-long practising Methodist McKibben is like John McCain.

    Guy is essentially old-stock WASP unless you draw a distinction between Scots and Anglo-Saxons.

    i’m no expert, but i did google before i posted.

    McKibben genealogy

    irish. and based on decades of pattern recognition now, i know to look for irish genealogy first, when the person in question sort of looks like me, is doing something to wreck america, and is not one of the (those guys).

    it’s not true that mc is always irish and mac is always scottish, but mckibben is an irish name according to the web. if i’m wrong, i’m wrong in this one case. but not in general.

    checking his wikipedia, i see no evidence that necessarily contradicts this. further web searching confirms he is not catholic. but all his moves, from california to boston, then new york city, and almost every one of his (associates) listed on his wikipedia page, as well as his (wife) , suggest he’s got the U2 bono save the world/natural irish jewish alliance thing going on.

    i suppose morris dees is the counter example. known to be scottish.

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    We’re Mcs not Macs and we’re definitely Scots border bandits relocated to N Ireland by James 1 to genocide the Irish and then to America to fight the Indians so the coastal planters and merchants could be safe.
    , @Altai

    MACGIBBON, MacKebbon: 'son of Gibbon,' which see. Gebon is written several times for Gilbert in a document of 1455 (M'Kerlie, I, p. 99), Donald McAne Gibsoun in Ballemuling, Tiree, 1541, appears in another place as McAneegibboun (ER., XVII, p. 614,647). Donald M'Gybbon was sheriff to Duncan, lord of Inneryn, 1511 (Lamont, p. 31), and an instrument of sasine by Duncan M'Gybbon of Auchnegarryn in 1525 is in record (ibid., p. 36). Adam McGibbone, parishioner of Duthil, 1527 (Grant, III, p. 269), Thomas Makgibboun, minister at Monydie, 1574 (RMR.), and Duncan M'Gibbon was one of the duke of Atholl's fencible men enrolled in Glenlyon, 1706 (HMon., III, p. 215). Robert Finla McGibbonesoun was fined for aiding Clan Gregor, 1613 (RPC., XIV p. 643). M'Gibon 1685, M'Giboun, Makgeboun.
    — The Surnames of Scotland (1946) by George Fraser Black (1866-1948)

     

    https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2017/04/28/environmentalist-bill-mckibben-talks-faith

    Q: What’s your faith history? How were you raised?

    I’ve been a good mainline Protestant of many flavors over the years. I was born in California and baptized as a Presbyterian.
     
    So even worse, he was Presbyterian, he is an Ulster-Scot.
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  111. @prime noticer
    mckibben is an irish name.

    starting to notice the pattern yet?

    greg clark should do a project on american surnames and political and economic behavior. should be quite revealing as to what each european group does.

    for knowledge purposes, it's time to get more sophisticated and stop thinking about all the europeans as one group. some of them haven't worked out that well for america. others are the main contributors to certain fields.

    It warms my heart to know there are people out there who are still able to maintain a social circle that would make Edith Wharton proud. I sometimes fear the WASP has become hybridised, Africanised and frankly mongrelised but when I go into certain corners of the internet — like this one — I’m reassured.

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  112. Svigor says:

    A lot of leftism today is just lazy poseurs glad to give up the fight because raciss.

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  113. @peterike

    “You know what’s interesting: we haven’t heard from a white guy yet.” She took a minute to look up and down her agenda to make sure I was right, and then she flashed me a wide grin. “Now you know how it feels,” she said.
     
    I always find this remarkable: the constant complaint that we "never hear" the "voices" of people of color, women and gays. Yet somehow, everywhere I look, I am bombarded with the voices of people of color, women and gays, and nearly always directly at the expense of whites. What we actually never hear are the voices of whites as whites. But the Lees and McKibbens of the world would have you think that the media is a non-stop celebration of white supremacy.

    I wonder, do they really believe this rot that they're being "silenced"? Or do they know they're just playing a game and they have a winning hand?

    “Now you know how it feels,” she said.

    It’s been this way my whole life, and I was born in the 1960s. What is the word “now” doing in that sentence.

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  114. Anon7 says:

    OT: More crimes of the white man against people of color; in this case, a disquieting insufficiency of ingenuity:

    Swim Caps Are Keeping Black Women Out of Pools
    Their limited design is yet another contributor to America’s racial disparities in swimming.

    Historically, swimming pools have played a murky part in racial segregation and disparity in the United States. Despite a public-pool boom in the 1950s and ’60s, generations of black people have not learned how to swim.

    Numerous factors contribute to why blacks are less likely to swim: a lack of lap pools to learn in, a lack of representation in water sports, a fear of drowning, and a lack of affordable swim lessons. But one thing that’s often overlooked is that swim caps aren’t designed to protect common hairstyles among black women, adding yet another barrier to their participation in swimming, kayaking, water polo, diving, and other aquatic activities. “It’s an epidemic,” Singleton says of their exclusion.

    I swear to you, it’s not from The Onion.

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    a fear of drowning
     
    A fear of drowning seems like a reason to learn to swim, not to avoid it. I think letting kids grow up without learning to swim is a form of child abuse. Do you really want your kid to have falling into a pond become a survival situation?

    swim caps aren’t designed to protect common hairstyles among black women, adding yet another barrier to their participation in swimming, kayaking, water polo, diving, and other aquatic activities.
     
    Seems like an obvious market opportunity but I guess its easier to just bitch and moan.

    "kayaking" was funny. Its a pretty niche sport. I've never seen a black guy into it either, so I doubt the lack of swim caps is the main factor. Plus kayakers (white water anyway) usually wear helmets so your hair is getting messed up either way.

    Speaking of water polo, the goalie on the US women's water polo team seems to have overcome this epidemic:

    http://www.usawaterpolo.org/sports/w-senior/mtt/ashleigh_johnson_906766.html
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  115. mr. wild says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    McKibben didn't get the memo. White backpackers are going to lose their national parks against demands for affordable housing for all the new, non-backpacking Americans.

    What will be lost first is the BLM range land that tends to be on flatter terrain and already lies near several Western city borders like Tuscon and Vegas. They don’t have the cachet of National Parks, so they will have less defenders. After that will come the National Forests, which is where a lot the West’s water supplies originate. The National Parks will be likely the last to go.

    I read the Sierra Club magazine’s 100th anniversary issue a year ago. The articles were filled with all kinds of Wilderness-as-white-man-colonialism themes and a celebration of the idea of “urban wild”. Hardly 50 years since the Wilderness Act and they’re already not only retreating from, but declaring their former mission to be some kind of leftover from the Dark Ages.

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    >>What will be lost first is the BLM range land that tends to be on flatter terrain and already lies near several Western city borders like Tuscon and Vegas.

    I fear this too. Excluding Alaska, the area of BLM land and National Forest land must be more than 100x greater than that of National Park land (National Parks are quite smaller than most people imagine), yet few think of this fact. With the flip of the pen the President can sign over BLM land to commercial use. Not good. There really isn't that much open land in America. East of the Rockies the extent is pitiably small. We are not a big, young, bold nation. All that rhetoric is just cucked-up, econo-boosterism claptrap. People must be made to understand that, considering our current population, America is actually not big, but increasing small, hot, crowded, polluted, tense. Fear motivates.
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  116. Corvinus says:
    @Sunbeam
    "OT/ Steve, I know you’ve talked about avoidng the Big stories because everyone else has them covered, but the Spygate thing is getting HUGE now."

    I know the feeling. Something big, in plain view and no one on this site seems to notice (Autism is Hell).

    Anyway, Qanon is a whole heck of a lot bigger than Spygate (though in the worldview they are realated of course).

    And Pizzagate isn't being discussed either. It may surprise some, but that has definitely not been forgotten, just morphed into Qanon.

    We'll see. I have a heck of a time believing the Justice Department could prosecute 45,000 sealed indictments, particularly since most of the names we've seen have serious money.

    But the point is myopia. Whatever the truth, we have a significant fraction of the population that believes our elites are Satanic pedophiles, who practice human sacrifice and cannibalism at times.

    Tinfoil all you want. But I'm telling you this is almost at the pitchfork and mob point.

    Depends on where you live I guess. But if all the network stations announced Trump declared Martial Law, and snatched 45,000 people and put them in detention, including names everyone knows...

    Well a whole lot more people than the average commenter on this site will believe, will wholeheartedly support it.

    At this point, it sort of doesn't matter whether any of it is true. The point is I can walk out the door and find someone without too much trouble that believes Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg are pedophiles.

    And frankly if you look at any of the material floating around out there produced willingly by Dan Harmon and James Gunn it is pretty darn easy to believe.

    Who knows, maybe this whole thing fits a social niche like the Ghost Dance thing Indians had going in the late 1800's. Or Cargo Cults.

    But the fact is, - if America were a football team, they'd be saying the coach lost the team.

    Yes, it is that bad. Hispanics and Blacks have always had their own thing, and reasons for this or that.

    But the elites have lost Hooterville.

    “Anyway, Qanon is a whole heck of a lot bigger than Spygate (though in the worldview they are realated of course).”

    Did it not occur to you that Mr. Sailer is NOTICING Qanon as not being worthy of NOTICING because he steers clear from such conspiracy theories? See, he rather not run the risk of running at the mouth on this topic and it is found to be nothing more than tin-foil ass hattery. Now, of course, if 45,000 sealed indictments are unleashed, and Shitlery, Obama, and their merry band of followers are arrested, then Mr. Sailer will throw in in his two cents. And the only way for Qanon to be completely legitimized is if those two things happen. Remember, Qanon said in October 2017 that Shitlery and Obama were to be locked up. Nothing occurred. Now, it has been told that this is the year they will be dragged off in cuffs.

    “Whatever the truth, we have a significant fraction of the population that believes our elites are Satanic pedophiles, who practice human sacrifice and cannibalism at times.”

    And what happens if it is not the truth after all, that people have been in reality duped? Will you and others go on the record to say they were perpetually misled?

    And speaking of “truth”, Alt Right leader Vox Day qualifies QANON–maybe he is a fraud, but even if he is, look at what he has done–Who Q happens to be and whether everything that Q says is 100 percent accurate or not, you know, these things are not even relevant points, they’re not even relevant questions.

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    "Nothing occurred."
    Prince Alwaleed might differ.
    (Obviously, "Q" has said many things that are literally false, but are they all completely false?)
    (And of course the sealed indictments are completely real...)
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  117. @Jack D
    I agree that they aren't going to be building favelas in Yosemite any time soon. But that doesn't mean that Yosemite won't be defaced with litter and graffiti and poop and other indicators of vibrancy. SWPL attitudes like reverence for nature are very unique to modern SWPLs and are not shared by a lot of other cultures (including past Americans who used to love to cut down 1,000 year old virgin forests to make popsicle sticks and and to kill every buffalo they could find - the past is a different country).

    The other thing SWPLs do is historic conservation. Exhibit A in Japan is Alex Kerr, American who promoted conservation of Japanese arts and traditional architecture.

    I don’t know of any non-whites who move abroad and promote preservation of foreign cultures.

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  118. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    McKibben didn't get the memo. White backpackers are going to lose their national parks against demands for affordable housing for all the new, non-backpacking Americans.

    “White backpackers are going to lose their national parks against demands for affordable housing for all the new, non-backpacking Americans.”

    You mean due to Trump Administrations curtailing of funds for the National Park System.

    Besides, more brownies and blackies are going hiking. You know, the vibrancy of nature.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-camping-minorities-20161005-snap-story.html

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  119. Anon[622] • Disclaimer says:

    ““The Coalition of the Fringes” = the party that’s won the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections.”

    Uh, your candidate didn’t “win” the popular vote (i.e. the majority of the vote). In fact, only Obama “won” the popular vote for the democrats going back a couple of decades. No one ever accused liberals of being especially intelligent.

    “The majority” = the party that can’t win more votes than the other side to save its life, even with typically higher turnout rates.”

    No one ever accused republicans of being geniuses.

    “And what could be less fringey than voting for a reality show nutcase with an orange mane?”

    Not much more fringey than voting for a latte-drinking east coast adventuress with a yellow wig.

    “Also known as “The Silent Majority” (the silent majority are the dead, by the way). Makes sense.”

    Trump received 60% of the American vote. Democrat voters are mainly foreign scabs and their decedents imported by our authoritarian ruling class over the last couple of decades to steal the vote.

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  120. JMcG says:

    They have plenty of money to buy off Bill McKibben as well. See the Sierra Club among others.

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  121. J.Ross says: • Website
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    "I always find this remarkable: the constant complaint that we “never hear” the “voices” of people of color, women and gays. Yet somehow, everywhere I look, I am bombarded with the voices of people of color, women and gays, and nearly always directly at the expense of whites."

    Yes, but in 1945 we mostly heard from FDR, Truman, Oppenheimer, Churchill, MacArthur, Stalin, Hemingway, Bogart, and other white men. So, the Current Year is oppressed by the past.

    Listening to memorial reruns of interviews with the late Aretha Franklin, who was the daughter of a successful touring preacher, one is struck by how she not only avoids ebonics, but is speaking better American English than her interviewer without sounding pretentious. That used to be a priority for them. If you watch old stuff you generally see pushed-casting of articulate blacks in brief roles (eg, the Alfred Hitchcock Presents episode where a perfect alibi is twisted into a technically unjust conviction, which briefly features a well-spoken black bartender. It stars the “thug-angel” from the New Jersey traffic safety film about the resurrection of typical driver Joe Doakes). Maybe if they want more people to listen to them they could bother to speak more clearly.

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    Listening to memorial reruns of interviews with the late Aretha Franklin, who was the daughter of a successful touring preacher, one is struck by how she not only avoids ebonics, but is speaking better American English than her interviewer without sounding pretentious.

    I noticed the same thing when I heard an interview with one of the Supremes. The announcer mentioned she left high school at 16 to pursue her singing career, so she was hardly a bookworm. She was educated in Detroit's public school system before the Vibrancy, I suppose.

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  122. Wazoo says:

    VDH writes a lot about how Hispanic immigrants have trashed the California countryside, leaving bags of garbage, old mattresses, etc. by the side of the road. This seems to be a cultural thing.

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    You forgot he wounded Pit bulls that VDH always brings up. He's found some on his own property.
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  123. @Jack D

    Either way they could say goodbye to their middle class lifestyle.
     
    By the way, it is really FAIR that some gun loving yahoo with a high school education has a house and a car and a boat and an RV while I, with my degree in gender studies from Brown, have to share a studio in Brooklyn and ride my bike to my job at the non-profit? Is that fair?

    I know you’re only being semi-serious but there is actually something to this. When the Badwhites lived in the SF bay area I had quite a few conversations with leftists who felt this way – almost all were women, usually wives or girlfriends of men I knew socially.

    Similar to Asians who believe that because they managed a certain standardized test score, they are therefore owed admission to HYPS, there exists a class of people (that have been educated far beyond their intelligence imo) that expect whatever perceived social strata they hold to be reflected financially and really resent it when reality intrudes.

    One woman (a government attorney) was absolutely indignant that an airline pilot she dated in the past made significantly more money than she did, despite him holding “only” a bachelor’s degree. She ended the relationship because not only wouldn’t he concede there was something wrong with this, he “humiliated” her by pointing out that unlike her, he held a useful skill. I told her he sounds like a guy I’d get along with and she stomped off.

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    My restauranteur friend had 4 seniors from the local high school working for him 8 years ago. They were all good kids and I occasionally see them around town to hear about how they're doing.

    Two of them went to low-tier colleges and got degrees. They're both selling cars and making short money.

    One went into the Army, did two tours and just got on with a local PD. He has started at the local CC to work toward his useless CJ degree. He said he started at $60K.

    The fourth went to work for a master plumber right out of high school. He's now a journeyman making a nice living. He's the only one of the four to marry.

    They can't unclog your toilet from Bangalore.
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  124. @Harry Baldwin
    “I cannot support an organization that is anti-immigration. It would dishonor the memory of my grandparents.”

    Like all progressives, Gelbaum chooses his grandparents over his grandchildren. Shouldn't they be called "regressives" instead of progressives?

    You took the words (or sentiment) right out of my mouth. When my self-proclaimed progressive friend protested to me; “but TC, I can’t oppose immigration, my mother was an immigrant after WW2.” I thought that over and said back, “Believing in something because your mother believed in it is not progressive, its as conservative as can be.”

    Amazingly, he agreed. We still talk, but not as much as we used to and it’s a bit strained because we have to avoid certain issues.

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    Our side should be more aggressive on this point. Instead of accepting the nonsense that there is anything special about being an immigrant per se, we should be militant strict constuctionists. Whatever else follows, you accept the Bill of Rights as the axiomatic basis that makes all other discussion possible. Instead of permitting hostile immigration because of spinelessness we should be deporting white native-born antifas and Bloomberg anti-gun groups. (Deport them where? Don't worry, their destination doesn't have an extradition treaty or a good phone connection.)
    We have not agressively struck back at any of these people; their failures have generally been of their own making. If all Trump does is tread water (and this nonsense about parades) we will have merely delayed the progressives briefly with the spectre of their fallibility.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    I have a friend from childhood--60 years now--with whom I still keep in touch regularly. He's a liberal, though, and I'm sorry to say that does put a damper on our conversation. He thinks my views are "wacko," while I think (but don't tell him) that he has swallowed whole the false narrative that the Powers that Be have propagated for their own benefit.
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  125. Daniel H says:
    @mr. wild
    What will be lost first is the BLM range land that tends to be on flatter terrain and already lies near several Western city borders like Tuscon and Vegas. They don't have the cachet of National Parks, so they will have less defenders. After that will come the National Forests, which is where a lot the West's water supplies originate. The National Parks will be likely the last to go.

    I read the Sierra Club magazine's 100th anniversary issue a year ago. The articles were filled with all kinds of Wilderness-as-white-man-colonialism themes and a celebration of the idea of "urban wild". Hardly 50 years since the Wilderness Act and they're already not only retreating from, but declaring their former mission to be some kind of leftover from the Dark Ages.

    >>What will be lost first is the BLM range land that tends to be on flatter terrain and already lies near several Western city borders like Tuscon and Vegas.

    I fear this too. Excluding Alaska, the area of BLM land and National Forest land must be more than 100x greater than that of National Park land (National Parks are quite smaller than most people imagine), yet few think of this fact. With the flip of the pen the President can sign over BLM land to commercial use. Not good. There really isn’t that much open land in America. East of the Rockies the extent is pitiably small. We are not a big, young, bold nation. All that rhetoric is just cucked-up, econo-boosterism claptrap. People must be made to understand that, considering our current population, America is actually not big, but increasing small, hot, crowded, polluted, tense. Fear motivates.

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  126. @J.Ross
    Listening to memorial reruns of interviews with the late Aretha Franklin, who was the daughter of a successful touring preacher, one is struck by how she not only avoids ebonics, but is speaking better American English than her interviewer without sounding pretentious. That used to be a priority for them. If you watch old stuff you generally see pushed-casting of articulate blacks in brief roles (eg, the Alfred Hitchcock Presents episode where a perfect alibi is twisted into a technically unjust conviction, which briefly features a well-spoken black bartender. It stars the "thug-angel" from the New Jersey traffic safety film about the resurrection of typical driver Joe Doakes). Maybe if they want more people to listen to them they could bother to speak more clearly.

    Listening to memorial reruns of interviews with the late Aretha Franklin, who was the daughter of a successful touring preacher, one is struck by how she not only avoids ebonics, but is speaking better American English than her interviewer without sounding pretentious.

    I noticed the same thing when I heard an interview with one of the Supremes. The announcer mentioned she left high school at 16 to pursue her singing career, so she was hardly a bookworm. She was educated in Detroit’s public school system before the Vibrancy, I suppose.

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    Motown gave its performers comportment classes in polite behavior.

    Aretha was from higher up the social scale than the Supremes. Her father was a prominent minister.

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  127. D. K. says:
    @Beene1
    "The Coalition of the Fringes" = the party that's won the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections.

    "The majority" = the party that can't win more votes than the other side to save its life, even with typically higher turnout rates. And what could be less fringey than voting for a reality show nutcase with an orange mane? Also known as "The Silent Majority" (the silent majority are the dead, by the way).

    Makes sense.

    No Democratic presidential candidate has won the majority of Whites’ votes since 1964 (in the wake of JFK’s assassination, just under a year before, and with the Establishment media demonizing Barry Goldwater as a nuclear warmonger). Barack Obama is the only Democratic presidential candidate to win a majority of the popular vote since Jimmy Carter managed to garner 50.1% of the popular vote in 1976 (in the wake of the Watergate scandal, against an unelected president who had ascended from being an unelected vice president, pardoned his highly unpopular predecessor, and broken his own promise not to run in his own right). Obama was elected in 2008 in the immediate wake of the mass implosion of the American economy, and with the most worshipful press in the history of the nation. In 2012, the media-favored incumbent dropped from 52.9% of the popular vote, and a 7.2% spread over the hapless John McCain, to 51.1% of the popular vote, and a 3.9% spread over the feckless Mitt Romney. In 2016, Hillary Clinton managed to garner only 48.2% of the popular vote, despite having the Establishment of BOTH parties behind her, the Establishment media’s virtually serving as her campaign’s PR wing by demonizing her opponent, as they had since the very day that he announced his candidacy, and her opponent’s not bothering even to campaign in the most populous state, because demographic change has rendered it a de facto one-party Democratic state, greatly suppressing the Republican minority’s voter turnout, even during a presidential election.

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  128. @Paul Jolliffe
    I lived in Benicia for six years in the 1990's and never really noticed any particularly noxious refinery fumes. When, exactly, was this?

    https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0454685,-122.1617502,3a,75y,335.91h,88.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVqXZ3JEOOoubGLEomTchkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    I lived in Benicia from 1976 to 1988. From my girlfriend’s backyard on Carlisle Way we could see and smell the Exxon Refinery (now Valero) in the industrial park on the north side of the Carquinez Strait. In fact, there are refineries on both sides of the Benicia-Martinez Bridge. Perhaps they’ve made improvements, but that’s how I remember it.

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  129. @WorkingClass

    The energy companies have plenty of money to buy off the Congressional Black and Hispanic Caucuses.
     
    As if white people cant be bought.

    Steve’s point is that RICH white people, the backbone of the environmental movement , are harder to buy.

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  130. @Cagey Beast
    Listening to memorial reruns of interviews with the late Aretha Franklin, who was the daughter of a successful touring preacher, one is struck by how she not only avoids ebonics, but is speaking better American English than her interviewer without sounding pretentious.

    I noticed the same thing when I heard an interview with one of the Supremes. The announcer mentioned she left high school at 16 to pursue her singing career, so she was hardly a bookworm. She was educated in Detroit's public school system before the Vibrancy, I suppose.

    Motown gave its performers comportment classes in polite behavior.

    Aretha was from higher up the social scale than the Supremes. Her father was a prominent minister.

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    Motown gave its performers comportment classes in polite behavior.

    Aretha was from higher up the social scale than the Supremes. Her father was a prominent minister.
     
    The Detroit schools also had serious musical education in the decades leading up to Motown, much of it classical. More than just native talent was involved, heretical as that may sound to some of the folks here.
    , @Ganderson
    OT, but... why was Aretha Franklin, being from Detroit, on Atlantic records rather than Motown?
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  131. @Anon7
    OT: More crimes of the white man against people of color; in this case, a disquieting insufficiency of ingenuity:

    Swim Caps Are Keeping Black Women Out of Pools
    Their limited design is yet another contributor to America’s racial disparities in swimming.

    Historically, swimming pools have played a murky part in racial segregation and disparity in the United States. Despite a public-pool boom in the 1950s and ’60s, generations of black people have not learned how to swim.

    Numerous factors contribute to why blacks are less likely to swim: a lack of lap pools to learn in, a lack of representation in water sports, a fear of drowning, and a lack of affordable swim lessons. But one thing that’s often overlooked is that swim caps aren’t designed to protect common hairstyles among black women, adding yet another barrier to their participation in swimming, kayaking, water polo, diving, and other aquatic activities. “It’s an epidemic,” Singleton says of their exclusion.

     

    I swear to you, it's not from The Onion.

    a fear of drowning

    A fear of drowning seems like a reason to learn to swim, not to avoid it. I think letting kids grow up without learning to swim is a form of child abuse. Do you really want your kid to have falling into a pond become a survival situation?

    swim caps aren’t designed to protect common hairstyles among black women, adding yet another barrier to their participation in swimming, kayaking, water polo, diving, and other aquatic activities.

    Seems like an obvious market opportunity but I guess its easier to just bitch and moan.

    “kayaking” was funny. Its a pretty niche sport. I’ve never seen a black guy into it either, so I doubt the lack of swim caps is the main factor. Plus kayakers (white water anyway) usually wear helmets so your hair is getting messed up either way.

    Speaking of water polo, the goalie on the US women’s water polo team seems to have overcome this epidemic:

    http://www.usawaterpolo.org/sports/w-senior/mtt/ashleigh_johnson_906766.html

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    Women haven’t worn swim caps in public or private swimming pools in my life time which is pretty long.

    I’ve never seen a surfer or kayaker in a swim cap although they wear the covered up wet suits.

    Black women have told me of the problems they have with their hair, water, swimming and even showers. From what they’ve told me shower caps and swim caps don’t really help with the frizzies.

    It’s a very real problem for them. Most don’t want to just give up and wear wigs all the time. I sympathize with black womens hair problems. It’s really unsolvable.
    If I were black and swam or surfed I would get one of those complicated cornrow braided to the skull hairdos. That hairdo is stylish and cute and perfect for a swimmer.


    Bitch bitch bitch weep and wail boo hoo boo hoo

    But it’s not my fault. Blacks make a fortune with black hair products and catalogues of black clothing such as brown bras and matching hats and dresses for church. All the make up manufacturers have make up for the different shades of brown skin.

    So why doesn’t some black person come up with a design for a black woman’s swim cap? You’d need some kind of gasket around the rim to keep the moisture out. I’m sure the Johnson family of Chicago or a black owned hair goo company would love to invest.
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  132. Bill McKibben has been assured by Ken Burns and Madison Avenue that black people love hiking through national parks and there are lots of park rangers who are black, so there is nothing to worry about. I don’t even see black people going to municipal parks/nature reserves around the area where I live and yet a great many live quite close to them, but they are going to travel several hundred miles or more to a national park?

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  133. G Pinfold says:
    @Sunbeam
    "OT/ Steve, I know you’ve talked about avoidng the Big stories because everyone else has them covered, but the Spygate thing is getting HUGE now."

    I know the feeling. Something big, in plain view and no one on this site seems to notice (Autism is Hell).

    Anyway, Qanon is a whole heck of a lot bigger than Spygate (though in the worldview they are realated of course).

    And Pizzagate isn't being discussed either. It may surprise some, but that has definitely not been forgotten, just morphed into Qanon.

    We'll see. I have a heck of a time believing the Justice Department could prosecute 45,000 sealed indictments, particularly since most of the names we've seen have serious money.

    But the point is myopia. Whatever the truth, we have a significant fraction of the population that believes our elites are Satanic pedophiles, who practice human sacrifice and cannibalism at times.

    Tinfoil all you want. But I'm telling you this is almost at the pitchfork and mob point.

    Depends on where you live I guess. But if all the network stations announced Trump declared Martial Law, and snatched 45,000 people and put them in detention, including names everyone knows...

    Well a whole lot more people than the average commenter on this site will believe, will wholeheartedly support it.

    At this point, it sort of doesn't matter whether any of it is true. The point is I can walk out the door and find someone without too much trouble that believes Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg are pedophiles.

    And frankly if you look at any of the material floating around out there produced willingly by Dan Harmon and James Gunn it is pretty darn easy to believe.

    Who knows, maybe this whole thing fits a social niche like the Ghost Dance thing Indians had going in the late 1800's. Or Cargo Cults.

    But the fact is, - if America were a football team, they'd be saying the coach lost the team.

    Yes, it is that bad. Hispanics and Blacks have always had their own thing, and reasons for this or that.

    But the elites have lost Hooterville.

    You make a lot of good points, some of them quite bleak, too.
    As for Q, I had never heard of it until sometime after I had read the first IG report. Before that, I was already steeped in the primary material released mainly through the work of Nunes in Congress. So Q is amusing, like Pepe, but not directly relevant.
    Journalists covering the emerging material include Andrew MCarthy, Mollie Hemingway, Chuck Ross, Lee Smith, George Neumayr, Byron York, Kim Strassel and John Solomon. This is not the Pizzagate crowd.
    Ah, but the WP and NYT are not touching it, you say? I won’t spoil the ending for you but it turns out that the establishment media is part of the story.

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  134. @J.Ross
    OT Sleepy Jeff deports the Screamingly Pecuniary Law Center from government programs!

    The Jewish extremist Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) hate group has been given the boot from all formal partner programs with the US Government, Attorney General Jeff Sessions has announced.

     

    Link:

    http://newobserveronline.com/jewish-hate-group-splc-gets-boot-from-us-federal-government-partnership-programs/

    I was listening to public radio (WBEZ) early this week (All gun control all the time; how can they do that with a straight face?) and amazingly enough, the $PLC was mentioned as sponsors.

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  135. @TelfoedJohn
    One of the firebrands of Finnish right-wing environmentalism is Pentti Linkola:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentti_Linkola

    In the UK, the animal rights cause has often been a rightwing thing: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1353870/Neo-nazis-join-animal-rights-groups.html

    Linkola is not right-wing, he is a pro-human-extinction weirdo and his audience here is leftist. He calls his dream of a dictatorship that eradicates most of the human population “ecofascism” which gets some American white nationalists excited but no, it’s the usual story of leftist academia getting kicks out of a guy who rejects conventional morality.

    His writings always follow the formula of “human lives are bad for the environment so ending human lives is good and saving human lives is bad” and “intellectuals” love his morally inverted takes. So the sinking of the Titanic should be celebrated because it snuffed out human lives and the rescuers were the real monsters of the story – real heroes would have clubbed the drowning. He praises every dictator because he is pro-death-camps so Hitler and Stalin are both better to him than democracy and its lack of death camps.

    To me he just seems to be a man with chronic depression which has led him to extreme misanthropy.

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  136. J.Ross says: • Website
    @ThreeCranes
    You took the words (or sentiment) right out of my mouth. When my self-proclaimed progressive friend protested to me; "but TC, I can't oppose immigration, my mother was an immigrant after WW2." I thought that over and said back, "Believing in something because your mother believed in it is not progressive, its as conservative as can be."

    Amazingly, he agreed. We still talk, but not as much as we used to and it's a bit strained because we have to avoid certain issues.

    Our side should be more aggressive on this point. Instead of accepting the nonsense that there is anything special about being an immigrant per se, we should be militant strict constuctionists. Whatever else follows, you accept the Bill of Rights as the axiomatic basis that makes all other discussion possible. Instead of permitting hostile immigration because of spinelessness we should be deporting white native-born antifas and Bloomberg anti-gun groups. (Deport them where? Don’t worry, their destination doesn’t have an extradition treaty or a good phone connection.)
    We have not agressively struck back at any of these people; their failures have generally been of their own making. If all Trump does is tread water (and this nonsense about parades) we will have merely delayed the progressives briefly with the spectre of their fallibility.

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  137. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:

    I happen to agree with McKibben and friends, let the Dems go all black.

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  138. @Steve Sailer
    Motown gave its performers comportment classes in polite behavior.

    Aretha was from higher up the social scale than the Supremes. Her father was a prominent minister.

    Motown gave its performers comportment classes in polite behavior.

    Aretha was from higher up the social scale than the Supremes. Her father was a prominent minister.

    The Detroit schools also had serious musical education in the decades leading up to Motown, much of it classical. More than just native talent was involved, heretical as that may sound to some of the folks here.

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    There is still a serious "jazz high school" that has cranked out major talents, and of course back in the day we had Cass Tech (a successful STEM high school before it was fashionable), which we allowed to become a plundered derelict building.
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  139. @utu
    Where was Bill McKibben when David Gelbaum bought off Sierra Club?

    HOW THE SIERRA CLUB WAS HIJACKED BY OPEN BORDERS RADICALS
    https://www.capsweb.org/blog/how-sierra-club-was-hijacked-open-borders-radicals

    Gelbaum, who reads the Spanish-language newspaper La Opinión and is married to a Mexican American, said his views on immigration were shaped long ago by his grandfather, Abraham, a watchmaker who had come to America to escape persecution of Jews in Ukraine before World War I.

    “I asked, ‘Abe, what do you think about all of these Mexicans coming here?’” Gelbaum said. “Abe didn't speak English that well. He said, ‘I came here. How can I tell them not to come?’

    “I cannot support an organization that is anti-immigration. It would dishonor the memory of my grandparents.”
     

    At least the grandfather didn’t destroy Ukraine, whereas the grandson is destroying the United States.

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  140. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

    Motown gave its performers comportment classes in polite behavior.

    Aretha was from higher up the social scale than the Supremes. Her father was a prominent minister.
     
    The Detroit schools also had serious musical education in the decades leading up to Motown, much of it classical. More than just native talent was involved, heretical as that may sound to some of the folks here.

    There is still a serious “jazz high school” that has cranked out major talents, and of course back in the day we had Cass Tech (a successful STEM high school before it was fashionable), which we allowed to become a plundered derelict building.

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  141. @Anonymous

    When it gets to wilderness preservation, endangered species, and that sort of environmentalism, once the whites are gone, good luck. It’s tragedy of the commons big league.
     
    Yeah, this SWPL kind of stuff is doomed. I feel sorry for animals. The coming non-white majority has zero concern for this kind of stuff.

    This is 100% true.

    In the Maghreb they litter everywhere as it if is their Allah given right.

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  142. Lagertha says:
    @Anon
    I think that the motives for opposing oil pipelines differ pretty radically among Sierra Club types, Native Americans, millenials, and so forth. The Sierra Club types are in for an awakening. They are thinking of the environment in a pure and abstract way. The others are protesting because they hate the man, they feel disrespected, or they want a payoff.

    When it gets to wilderness preservation, endangered species, and that sort of environmentalism, once the whites are gone, good luck. It's tragedy of the commons big league.

    Unintentially funny post by an older Canadian Amazon.com employee about his arrest at a pipeline protest:

    https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2018/03/18/How-to-Stop-Kinder-Morgan

    If the Republicans were smart they should totally hijack habitat preservation and wildlife welfare away from the white Democrats. It can easily be parlayed into subtle digs at unrestricted immigration, because you are all correct: open land and animals will disappear and suffer a cruel end. I’ve been burned-up about this for decades. Human population should go down, drastically, especially in developing countries/corrupt countries. At some point, it will become an ethical question: more humans consuming…or allowing species such as elephants, whales, mountain lions, eagles, etc., to live? It still upsets me that the mountain lion in Oregon who killed a bicyclist was shot down. He was starving and the spandex wearing cyclist was in his domain.

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    The environmentalists saved the seals. Cape Cod is now seeing a seal buffet calling to every shark in the Atlantic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMOk2sV0fyI

    Mother Nature always knows when the herd needs to be thinned.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    If the Republicans were smart they should totally hijack habitat preservation and wildlife welfare ...
     
    Well, it was the Republicans who pioneered it.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/environmentalisms-racist-history


    https://72750885.weebly.com/uploads/2/4/1/2/24121253/5403473_orig.jpg


    ...or allowing species such as elephants, whales, mountain lions, eagles, etc., to live?
     
    Bald eagles have made a roaring comeback. I see one or two almost every week now.
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  143. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @War for Blair Mountain
    And this really goes to the heart of what’s wrong with a certain well known immigration reform organization in Northern Virginia. They came out of the1970 ZPG movement which was obsessed with telling the White Working Class to have no more than one White Child.....do it for the environment!!!....do it for future generations!!!.....This organization is now obsessed with protecting America’s natural beauty for future generations of.....Hindu Americans....Korean Americans.....Chinese Americans...Hispanic Americans.....Go to this organizations website....White Folks don’t exist....

    What organization is that? There are a jillion interest groups around DC.

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  144. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    a fear of drowning
     
    A fear of drowning seems like a reason to learn to swim, not to avoid it. I think letting kids grow up without learning to swim is a form of child abuse. Do you really want your kid to have falling into a pond become a survival situation?

    swim caps aren’t designed to protect common hairstyles among black women, adding yet another barrier to their participation in swimming, kayaking, water polo, diving, and other aquatic activities.
     
    Seems like an obvious market opportunity but I guess its easier to just bitch and moan.

    "kayaking" was funny. Its a pretty niche sport. I've never seen a black guy into it either, so I doubt the lack of swim caps is the main factor. Plus kayakers (white water anyway) usually wear helmets so your hair is getting messed up either way.

    Speaking of water polo, the goalie on the US women's water polo team seems to have overcome this epidemic:

    http://www.usawaterpolo.org/sports/w-senior/mtt/ashleigh_johnson_906766.html

    Women haven’t worn swim caps in public or private swimming pools in my life time which is pretty long.

    I’ve never seen a surfer or kayaker in a swim cap although they wear the covered up wet suits.

    Black women have told me of the problems they have with their hair, water, swimming and even showers. From what they’ve told me shower caps and swim caps don’t really help with the frizzies.

    It’s a very real problem for them. Most don’t want to just give up and wear wigs all the time. I sympathize with black womens hair problems. It’s really unsolvable.
    If I were black and swam or surfed I would get one of those complicated cornrow braided to the skull hairdos. That hairdo is stylish and cute and perfect for a swimmer.

    Bitch bitch bitch weep and wail boo hoo boo hoo

    But it’s not my fault. Blacks make a fortune with black hair products and catalogues of black clothing such as brown bras and matching hats and dresses for church. All the make up manufacturers have make up for the different shades of brown skin.

    So why doesn’t some black person come up with a design for a black woman’s swim cap? You’d need some kind of gasket around the rim to keep the moisture out. I’m sure the Johnson family of Chicago or a black owned hair goo company would love to invest.

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  145. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jaakko Raipala
    One thing that has been memory holed about environmentalism is how much of it was originally right-wing and specifically a landowning and nationalistic worldview. My grandfather was a right-wing politician and one thing he claimed as an achievement was passing regulations against polluting factories - he owned land near a lake that had been turned into a toxic mess by an upstream paper factory.

    The left in the 1950s was still a working class movement so they were the champions of building as much heavy industry as possible and communists and factory owners were perfectly happy to ally with each other in a push to let the factories do whatever they want. I guess it was an early omen of this era when the left has simply decided that the big capitalists are a progressive class after all - not at all like the landowning class that was "reacting" against the devaluation of its properties by industrial "progress".

    In Russia where they destroyed their landowning class there was no one to advocate for the land and the difference in results are rather obvious even though the starting point was very similar to Finland's in 1918. Letting the left claim environmentalism as their cause is one of the biggest failures of right-wing politics of the past half century.

    Teddy Roosevelt appointed his fellow aristocrat Pinchot head of the National Parks system. The movement was very upper class emulating the British upper class rural shootin fishin huntin lifestyle.

    My opinion on environmentalists and their extremist wing is that it is the only liberal crusade left that has room for a cis White man.

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  146. fnn says:
    @Wazoo
    VDH writes a lot about how Hispanic immigrants have trashed the California countryside, leaving bags of garbage, old mattresses, etc. by the side of the road. This seems to be a cultural thing.

    You forgot he wounded Pit bulls that VDH always brings up. He’s found some on his own property.

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  147. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jimi
    In California and NYC the demographics are now majority non-white and bsaed on demographics whites should be pushed out of power. Yet in both these places white people seem to dominate and the cultural preferences of white liberals are respected.

    Bike lanes, trains, environmental protection, cultural liberalism, tight zoning rules to protect leafy inner suburbs, magnet public schools, I could go on and on. Hispterism is well alive and cultivated. And what is hispterism but a celebration of Victorian Anglo-Saxon culture?

    White Democrats will continue dominate the Democratic party for the foreseeable future.

    It’s the Whites that’s gots the money.

    Nancy Pelosi was elected to Congress and speaker because of her fundraising ability. She started fundraising for the party when she was 25 years old. She’s tied in with Feinstein-Blum and all the California and US billionaires including the nearby tech billionaires.

    Money talks and the blacks and browns will walk.

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  148. Now that you mention it, I do remember some smells at that spot. I used to work in the Southern Pacific rail yards in that same Industrial Park. I guess I just got used to it, and assumed it was from the trains. (Benicia was the drop point for SP for all of the Ford Motor Company vehicles that were going to Northern California dealerships.)

    Beautiful weather and area, though. Back then, Benicia public schools were pretty good, too.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Benicia,+CA/@38.0535109,-122.1267812,659a,35y,250.91h,73.22t/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x80856db5fb326033:0x9c2e0b0755afa15d!8m2!3d38.049365!4d-122.1585777

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  149. Lagertha says:
    @George Taylor
    I recently spent three days hiking Glacier National Park. It's the height of summer so it's a busy place, many folks on the trails. In the entire three days, I saw one person of African descent and this was a 12 year old kid who was clearly part of an organized camp program of some type with kindly White counselor escorting the kids along. My girlfriend noticed something else, redheads. Yep redheads, she was constantly going oh there's another redhead. At the park, they clearly were representing at a much higher rate then in general USA demographics.

    I too, am stunned how so many people look like my family members, especially in Montana. Why red hair: The Mountain West (& ND, SD, ID) are full of the descendants of Norwegians, Danes, Finns and Dutch*. (Swedes settled more in MN/WI/MI). Norwegians & Finns were attracted to the austerity of the landscapes that felt like home; Danes & Dutch saw the beautiful, very wide valleys with great rivers since most became dairy farmers/grain farmers.

    Most of the early settlers, before they could start-up the dairy farm, or grain farm, the still, the lumber yard, the carpentry, farrier, etc., buiz, came for the forestry, lumber and mining work which was plentiful, but very hard work – they often lived in camps, much like barracks. Funny factoid: young women from Finland, Norway & Denmark, Holland were sent for (by business owners) to come and cook, clean, do laundry at these work camps. The men would get drunk and fight too much, so sending for women, who eventually would marry and civilize these men, was very unique in USA history. Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, ND, SD (and, of course MN, WI, MI) have the most Nordic looking people (& Dutch…but still blondies) in the USA.

    School starts soon, and kids from Montana are taken up to Glacier (more remote than Yellowstone) for bonding experiences. My son & gf were there in early December , and he said it was sublime because it was deserted.

    * there are two towns called Manhattan & Amsterdam to the west of Livingston & Bozeman. Boze & Livingston were name after historical people…but the Dutch named their towns, along the former railroad, to revere their former homeland.

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    No redheads in my Swedish-American family- two blondes and two brown hairs. I just watched Jan Troell’s Utvandrarna and Det Nya Landet (The Emigrants and the New Land) for the first time in many years. After I got used to old time Småland accents ( well, I never really did
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  150. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul Jolliffe
    I lived in Benicia for six years in the 1990's and never really noticed any particularly noxious refinery fumes. When, exactly, was this?

    https://www.google.com/maps/@38.0454685,-122.1617502,3a,75y,335.91h,88.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVqXZ3JEOOoubGLEomTchkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    Every one I knew who had a petroleum or chemical engineering degree always applied to the east bay oil refineries. So did a lot of blue collar guys. If they didn’t get the job first application they applied again and again.

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  151. @Flip
    Whites are vastly outnumbered in much of Latin America by mixed race people but are still mostly in charge.

    Whites are vastly outnumbered in much of Latin America by mixed race people but are still mostly in charge.

    That’s because those “whites” are mostly Jewish.

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  152. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @snorlax
    OT: From WSJ: Latest Spike Lee Joint: Paid NYPD Consultant

    “You want to reach out to folks. Not just the folks who are supporters pretty consistently but also folks who have certainly been critics in the past,” Mr. Tucker said in an interview. “I knew Spike had the advertisement firm and as we were looking at various entities in that realm, I said let’s reach out and see if they would have an interest in adding their voice.”

    Mr. Lee agreed in 2015 and his advertising company, Spike DDB, received $219,113 in consulting fees from the New York City Police Foundation, a nonprofit that funds NYPD initiatives. The fee amount was revealed in the nonprofit’s most recent tax filing covering parts of 2016 and 2017.

    “After careful thought I accepted the consultation assignment,” Mr. Lee said in a statement. “The NYPD came to me knowing I have been critical of them. I think it’s important for open dialogue to make what has been a tough relationship better.”
     

    Is this called bribery or extortion?

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  153. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @indocon
    Inside I bet a lot of these liberal white guys are starting to get a real sense of what the future entails for them, both in the Democratic Party and in America in general. But being the natural wusses they are, I bet they keep it quite on the outside and keep up ther beat straight white male whitey theme.

    Environmentalism is the only liberal cause hetero White men can join.

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  154. Anoni says:
    @Marty T
    What will happen is that more Republicans will be publicly environmentalist. I expect this to start during the next decade.

    Yay looking forward to being accepted as a right wing environmentalist. For everything but climat change you can solve most of the problem cheap using pollution taxes and such. I look forward to being the conservative who gets to argue for trading income tax cuts for pollution taxes.

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  155. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    "What will, however, happen sooner is that we white backpackers won’t be able to reach Yosemite because of clogged and degraded roads along the way."

    And Mexican drug gangs growing marijuana in the forest, all protected by automatic rifles. The national parks already have a problem with that. It's one of those things that don't always get a lot of attention nationally.

    There’s an area in Mendocino known as Death Valley because of all the growers and weed thieves killing each other over the years. It’s Whites killing Whites.

    Once they put up grow houses with alarms and pressure pads and big mean shepherds, Dobermans and pits in the grow houses the killings declined. Mendocino is a very very pro 2nd amendment county.

    It’s still known as Death Valley though. Weed’s been our biggest AG product since around 1980. The industry was truly a pioneer development

    Get you a copper kettle
    Get you a copper coil
    Get you some new made corn mash
    And never more will you toil.
    My Pappy made whiskey
    Granpappy did too
    We ain’t paid no whiskey tax
    Since 1792

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  156. @Daniel Chieh
    Hilariously, it turned out that the most effective communes were the most hardcore religious ones. That said, some "communes" still exist, and in fact, antifa draws a lot of their people from such "art groups." They get mysterious funding(Soros, basically) and run their own strange societies, quite focused around drugs and sex. They're quite cult-like, in spite of putting on a very decent appearance. I did some googling and found a pretty typical example from about a decade ago.

    http://upagainstthelaw.org/

    They tend to go under the name of "legal collective" these days, to my knowledge.

    I read somewhere that of the hundreds of communes started in the US, only the religious ones survive. I guess you’re more likely to succeed if you believe there’s a higher power looking down on you, rather than believe that Dave should do the washing up and not you, because you’re too busy fighting systemic oppression, man. Self-righteousness can only disguise laziness and incompetence for so long.

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    You can't botch the crops into growing, and physical realities of gender differences in strength become rapidly obvious when farming.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    I visited a commune in northern New Mexico last year that was celebrating its 50th anniversary. One reason for its longevity was its no drugs policy. Many others failed.
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  157. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No one starts a commune anymore.
     
    It was WAY too much work, John, so they all gave up. It's very disheartening when you do more than your share of work because others in the Commune-ity are lazy and smoke a lot of dope, yet everyone gets the same amount of organic eggs, vegetables, cous-cous, and marijuana nonetheless. What the plan in lots of these places was is each would work and produce according to his ability or something, and everyone would eat and smoke according to his immediate need to do so .. it was something like that. Those bright commune-organizers had gotten those concepts from some old German guy off a book that their professors insisted they read.

    They said all of the inherent problems would go away if you try it on a much larger scale... YMMV

    I always thought they were just male lecher scams to convince the women in the communes to be easily available .

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  158. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    OT Sleepy Jeff deports the Screamingly Pecuniary Law Center from government programs!

    The Jewish extremist Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) hate group has been given the boot from all formal partner programs with the US Government, Attorney General Jeff Sessions has announced.

     

    Link:

    http://newobserveronline.com/jewish-hate-group-splc-gets-boot-from-us-federal-government-partnership-programs/

    Oh thank God thank God thank God. It’s the best news I’ve heard in a long time.

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  159. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @International Jew
    That's not going to happen until the US population hits ten billion or something! The national parks are almost all either far away from major population centers, or in steep high-altitude terrain; the slums and shantytowns will cover the Central Valley before they start expanding into Yosemite.

    What will, however, happen sooner is that we white backpackers won't be able to reach Yosemite because of clogged and degraded roads along the way.

    (I mention Yosemite only because Steve's out-of-state readers will have heard of it. In truth, Californians who like to backpack rarely go there. We go to thousands of other lovely places in the Sierra that don't require reservations.)

    Los Angeles National Forest east of Los Angeles is full of graffiti. So are the state parks. Mexicans actually enjoy camping sports and picnics in city and state parks.

    By Saturday and Sunday afternoons the city parks are a mess. But the park guys come by early AM and clean up the mess. I think it’s not so much the people are messy. It’s that with 15 Hispanics living in a 3 bedroom house, the neighborhoods and parks are so crowded on weekends the dumpsters and trash cans get filled up early

    There are some unusual and beautiful rock formations in S California. Take the train or drive along the roads and you can see graffiti on those rocks. It must be quite a macho feat to climb 90 feet to apply spray paint.

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  160. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Hanson
    I can only read so many rehashes of Asian discrimination at Harvard before my eyes glaze over.

    More often than not I scroll through and find things that were hot takes in 2012 popping up again. Kurt Schlicter of all people is more on the bleeding edge of commentary than this place.

    Los Angeles National Forest east of Los Angeles is full of graffiti. So are the state parks. Mexicans actually enjoy camping sports and picnics in city and state parks.

    By Saturday and Sunday afternoons the city parks are a mess. But the park guys come by early AM and clean up the mess. I think it’s not so much the people are messy. It’s that with 15 Hispanics living in a 3 bedroom house, the neighborhoods and parks are so crowded on weekends the dumpsters and trash cans get filled up early

    There are some unusual and beautiful rock formations in S California. Take the train or drive along the roads and you can see graffiti on those rocks. It must be quite a macho feat to climb 90 feet to apply spray paint.

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    Dispatches from 6 Years Ago.
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  161. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Roderick Spode
    It seems like only yesterday the SPLC was warning us that the Sierra Club had been infiltrated by 'Nazis.' What is it, East Germany?

    The nazis were enthusiastic environmentalists. But that’s an old German thing.

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  162. sf says:

    I used to get feeds on facebook for rallies sponsored by 350.org, of which McKibben is the founder or one of the founders. Facebooks ad algorithm figured correctly that I do have an interest in global warming. However, shortly after the inauguration, they advertised a combined rally for immigration rights and climate change. (Big contradiction IMHO). My comments on that got me branded as a troll. I don’t get their announcements any more.

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  163. @Travis
    we would also expect the Democratic party would embrace global warming and pursue policies which would make the planet warmer and more hospitable for Sun people. If a Black caucus member becomes speaker maybe we will finally see an end to subsidies for electric cars and renewable energy. Blacks do not purchase electric cars, the federal subsidies all go to wealthy white people. The ethanol subsidies all go to white American farmers.

    You are correct.  The ethanol program is a farm price-support program, not a climate or air-quality program.  It is energy negative and CO2 positive as originally created.

    Supposedly, the Arab Spring riots were engendered by high grain prices… caused in no small part by American ethanol mandates which prioritized vehicular fuel over human food.

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    The ethanol program is a farm price-support program, not a climate or air-quality program. It is energy negative and CO2 positive as originally created.
     
    Brazil is huge on ethanol, preferring it to regular. What's that about?

    Perhaps calling their ethanol promotion campaign in the 1970s Pro-Alcool was an effective strategy.

    We might follow suit with "Energy by Everclear".
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  164. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer
    i'm no expert, but i did google before i posted.

    McKibben genealogy

    irish. and based on decades of pattern recognition now, i know to look for irish genealogy first, when the person in question sort of looks like me, is doing something to wreck america, and is not one of the (those guys).

    it's not true that mc is always irish and mac is always scottish, but mckibben is an irish name according to the web. if i'm wrong, i'm wrong in this one case. but not in general.

    checking his wikipedia, i see no evidence that necessarily contradicts this. further web searching confirms he is not catholic. but all his moves, from california to boston, then new york city, and almost every one of his (associates) listed on his wikipedia page, as well as his (wife) , suggest he's got the U2 bono save the world/natural irish jewish alliance thing going on.

    i suppose morris dees is the counter example. known to be scottish.

    We’re Mcs not Macs and we’re definitely Scots border bandits relocated to N Ireland by James 1 to genocide the Irish and then to America to fight the Indians so the coastal planters and merchants could be safe.

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  165. BenKenobi says:
    @Beene1
    "The Coalition of the Fringes" = the party that's won the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections.

    "The majority" = the party that can't win more votes than the other side to save its life, even with typically higher turnout rates. And what could be less fringey than voting for a reality show nutcase with an orange mane? Also known as "The Silent Majority" (the silent majority are the dead, by the way).

    Makes sense.

    little recent commenting history

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  166. @Anon
    Los Angeles National Forest east of Los Angeles is full of graffiti. So are the state parks. Mexicans actually enjoy camping sports and picnics in city and state parks.

    By Saturday and Sunday afternoons the city parks are a mess. But the park guys come by early AM and clean up the mess. I think it’s not so much the people are messy. It’s that with 15 Hispanics living in a 3 bedroom house, the neighborhoods and parks are so crowded on weekends the dumpsters and trash cans get filled up early

    There are some unusual and beautiful rock formations in S California. Take the train or drive along the roads and you can see graffiti on those rocks. It must be quite a macho feat to climb 90 feet to apply spray paint.

    Dispatches from 6 Years Ago.

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  167. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    McKibben has made a career
    Of preaching The End Time is Near.
    It's near for those Whites
    Lacking guts for the fights
    Evolution has ever held dear.

    Terrific!

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  168. Altai says:
    @prime noticer
    i'm no expert, but i did google before i posted.

    McKibben genealogy

    irish. and based on decades of pattern recognition now, i know to look for irish genealogy first, when the person in question sort of looks like me, is doing something to wreck america, and is not one of the (those guys).

    it's not true that mc is always irish and mac is always scottish, but mckibben is an irish name according to the web. if i'm wrong, i'm wrong in this one case. but not in general.

    checking his wikipedia, i see no evidence that necessarily contradicts this. further web searching confirms he is not catholic. but all his moves, from california to boston, then new york city, and almost every one of his (associates) listed on his wikipedia page, as well as his (wife) , suggest he's got the U2 bono save the world/natural irish jewish alliance thing going on.

    i suppose morris dees is the counter example. known to be scottish.

    MACGIBBON, MacKebbon: ‘son of Gibbon,’ which see. Gebon is written several times for Gilbert in a document of 1455 (M’Kerlie, I, p. 99), Donald McAne Gibsoun in Ballemuling, Tiree, 1541, appears in another place as McAneegibboun (ER., XVII, p. 614,647). Donald M’Gybbon was sheriff to Duncan, lord of Inneryn, 1511 (Lamont, p. 31), and an instrument of sasine by Duncan M’Gybbon of Auchnegarryn in 1525 is in record (ibid., p. 36). Adam McGibbone, parishioner of Duthil, 1527 (Grant, III, p. 269), Thomas Makgibboun, minister at Monydie, 1574 (RMR.), and Duncan M’Gibbon was one of the duke of Atholl’s fencible men enrolled in Glenlyon, 1706 (HMon., III, p. 215). Robert Finla McGibbonesoun was fined for aiding Clan Gregor, 1613 (RPC., XIV p. 643). M’Gibon 1685, M’Giboun, Makgeboun.
    — The Surnames of Scotland (1946) by George Fraser Black (1866-1948)

    https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2017/04/28/environmentalist-bill-mckibben-talks-faith

    Q: What’s your faith history? How were you raised?

    I’ve been a good mainline Protestant of many flavors over the years. I was born in California and baptized as a Presbyterian.

    So even worse, he was Presbyterian, he is an Ulster-Scot.

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  169. @TelfoedJohn
    I read somewhere that of the hundreds of communes started in the US, only the religious ones survive. I guess you’re more likely to succeed if you believe there’s a higher power looking down on you, rather than believe that Dave should do the washing up and not you, because you’re too busy fighting systemic oppression, man. Self-righteousness can only disguise laziness and incompetence for so long.

    You can’t botch the crops into growing, and physical realities of gender differences in strength become rapidly obvious when farming.

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  170. @bomag

    Now you know how it feels
     
    MUH FEELZ!

    Such emotional pettiness; like a soldier shooting his own officer, thinking that the next one will be better, or the extant hierarchy isn't needed at all.

    Third world population growth plus modern industrialization is probably the most toxic thing for the natural environment by a factor of ten, yet McKibben and company say as little as possible about the subject. Politics trumps everything.

    McKibben heads 350.org, an “environmentalist” group devoted to reducing atmospheric CO2 to 350 ppm to avoid destructive climate change… but is dead-set against nuclear energy.  He’s a hypocrite even on his own terms.

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  171. @TelfoedJohn
    I read somewhere that of the hundreds of communes started in the US, only the religious ones survive. I guess you’re more likely to succeed if you believe there’s a higher power looking down on you, rather than believe that Dave should do the washing up and not you, because you’re too busy fighting systemic oppression, man. Self-righteousness can only disguise laziness and incompetence for so long.

    I visited a commune in northern New Mexico last year that was celebrating its 50th anniversary. One reason for its longevity was its no drugs policy. Many others failed.

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  172. @Anon
    There’s an area in Mendocino known as Death Valley because of all the growers and weed thieves killing each other over the years. It’s Whites killing Whites.

    Once they put up grow houses with alarms and pressure pads and big mean shepherds, Dobermans and pits in the grow houses the killings declined. Mendocino is a very very pro 2nd amendment county.

    It’s still known as Death Valley though. Weed’s been our biggest AG product since around 1980. The industry was truly a pioneer development

    Get you a copper kettle
    Get you a copper coil
    Get you some new made corn mash
    And never more will you toil.
    My Pappy made whiskey
    Granpappy did too
    We ain’t paid no whiskey tax
    Since 1792

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  173. @J.Ross
    OT Sleepy Jeff deports the Screamingly Pecuniary Law Center from government programs!

    The Jewish extremist Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) hate group has been given the boot from all formal partner programs with the US Government, Attorney General Jeff Sessions has announced.

     

    Link:

    http://newobserveronline.com/jewish-hate-group-splc-gets-boot-from-us-federal-government-partnership-programs/

    That’s good news. The ADL needs to be next.

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  174. Brutusale says:
    @William Badwhite
    I know you're only being semi-serious but there is actually something to this. When the Badwhites lived in the SF bay area I had quite a few conversations with leftists who felt this way - almost all were women, usually wives or girlfriends of men I knew socially.

    Similar to Asians who believe that because they managed a certain standardized test score, they are therefore owed admission to HYPS, there exists a class of people (that have been educated far beyond their intelligence imo) that expect whatever perceived social strata they hold to be reflected financially and really resent it when reality intrudes.

    One woman (a government attorney) was absolutely indignant that an airline pilot she dated in the past made significantly more money than she did, despite him holding "only" a bachelor's degree. She ended the relationship because not only wouldn't he concede there was something wrong with this, he "humiliated" her by pointing out that unlike her, he held a useful skill. I told her he sounds like a guy I'd get along with and she stomped off.

    My restauranteur friend had 4 seniors from the local high school working for him 8 years ago. They were all good kids and I occasionally see them around town to hear about how they’re doing.

    Two of them went to low-tier colleges and got degrees. They’re both selling cars and making short money.

    One went into the Army, did two tours and just got on with a local PD. He has started at the local CC to work toward his useless CJ degree. He said he started at $60K.

    The fourth went to work for a master plumber right out of high school. He’s now a journeyman making a nice living. He’s the only one of the four to marry.

    They can’t unclog your toilet from Bangalore.

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  175. Brutusale says:
    @Lagertha
    If the Republicans were smart they should totally hijack habitat preservation and wildlife welfare away from the white Democrats. It can easily be parlayed into subtle digs at unrestricted immigration, because you are all correct: open land and animals will disappear and suffer a cruel end. I've been burned-up about this for decades. Human population should go down, drastically, especially in developing countries/corrupt countries. At some point, it will become an ethical question: more humans consuming...or allowing species such as elephants, whales, mountain lions, eagles, etc., to live? It still upsets me that the mountain lion in Oregon who killed a bicyclist was shot down. He was starving and the spandex wearing cyclist was in his domain.

    The environmentalists saved the seals. Cape Cod is now seeing a seal buffet calling to every shark in the Atlantic.

    Mother Nature always knows when the herd needs to be thinned.

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    At my vacation house, a demented 'cat luffer' neighbor was hoarding and feeding feral cats. They became a serious nuisance. I have a screened off area where I was able to discreetly dispatch quite a few, but as long as that old demented biddy lived there, neither nature (disease, coyotes, et al) nor me and my neighbors (who were bagging them with archery, crossbows, Prestone, you name it) were able to thin the herd enough not to have to deal with constant caterwauling, cat shit and torn up flowerbeds.

    A couple of years ago she was put in assisted living by her kids and the county came in and took all the cats off. I understand they all were given the needle, since unadoptable. No one complained.
    , @Lagertha
    Mother Nature always strikes back. I accept that, 100%, I've even had Lyme and West Nile Virus! In the end, GCC obsession is basically, just age-old human, perhaps just SWPL, fear of the unknown. I think Dinosaurs, if they could have talked, would have been bitching about GCC, too...and don't get me started on Woolly Mammoths.

    Climate Change + environmental concerns < population growth & immigration = Brutusale's Seal Buffet Bonanza.

    True story: waited for hours for my kid to be seen at an emergency room at small-town hospital many years ago for a bad, acute infection, but not life-threatening. Reason for the wait: Tri-Athalon swimmers (2) had gotten their limbs bitten off by sharks - I had a tough time going in the water after that day. I will pass on seeing Meg.

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  176. anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    He understands that white males are a threat to civilization

    https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/08/16/deradicalizing-white-people/

    Only when white men are out of power will the country be able to worth a damn

    People of Color AGREE that white men are problematic

    If you vote republican you are a traitor

    Bless you, Mr. Machete Massacre.

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  177. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    And rightly so - Hillary let slip that she had planned a final solution for the environmental damage caused by coal mining (oops, shouldn't say final solution) - she would get rid of all the coal miners. No person, no problem. Of course she didn't want to literally gas them, just to put them on welfare and drugs so they could become Democrat clients. Or else they could earn $10/hr as Walmart greeters. Either way they could say goodbye to their middle class lifestyle.

    Does anyone doubt that the oil industry was not next on Hillary's "they all have to go" list? We were all going to drive electric cars fueled by wind energy and solar.

    So these guys understood on a visceral level that Hillary and Co. were not their friends.

    The real beneficiary of electric cars in the long run will be the nuclear power industry.

    Nuclear power plants-whether the conventional ones we have today or the futuristic ones proposed like high temperature gas cooled thorium fueled ones- run economically when they run continuously at a single design power setting. But the power utilities have a load that has a big “crest factor”-at maximum load they are having to produce several times more power than at minimum load, overnights on nights not too cold nor too hot. Electric cars will mostly charge at off peak times and flatten out that crest factor, making nukes capable of running economically and constantly, and making them much more attractive, and at the same time blunting public opposition to them because Joe Average will have more of a dog in the fight for cheap power to charge his car.

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  178. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brutusale
    The environmentalists saved the seals. Cape Cod is now seeing a seal buffet calling to every shark in the Atlantic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMOk2sV0fyI

    Mother Nature always knows when the herd needs to be thinned.

    At my vacation house, a demented ‘cat luffer’ neighbor was hoarding and feeding feral cats. They became a serious nuisance. I have a screened off area where I was able to discreetly dispatch quite a few, but as long as that old demented biddy lived there, neither nature (disease, coyotes, et al) nor me and my neighbors (who were bagging them with archery, crossbows, Prestone, you name it) were able to thin the herd enough not to have to deal with constant caterwauling, cat shit and torn up flowerbeds.

    A couple of years ago she was put in assisted living by her kids and the county came in and took all the cats off. I understand they all were given the needle, since unadoptable. No one complained.

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  179. @Mr. Rational
    You are correct.  The ethanol program is a farm price-support program, not a climate or air-quality program.  It is energy negative and CO2 positive as originally created.

    Supposedly, the Arab Spring riots were engendered by high grain prices... caused in no small part by American ethanol mandates which prioritized vehicular fuel over human food.

    The ethanol program is a farm price-support program, not a climate or air-quality program. It is energy negative and CO2 positive as originally created.

    Brazil is huge on ethanol, preferring it to regular. What’s that about?

    Perhaps calling their ethanol promotion campaign in the 1970s Pro-Alcool was an effective strategy.

    We might follow suit with “Energy by Everclear”.

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    Brazil is huge on ethanol, preferring it to regular. What’s that about?
     
    Cane > corn.

    Perhaps calling their ethanol promotion campaign in the 1970s Pro-Alcool was an effective strategy.
     
    Brazil also has a tiny per-capita consumption of motor fuel compared to the USA.  If the USA did so well by that measure, it would ALWAYS have been a net petroleum exporter (and OPEC would never have come into existence).
    , @Anonymous
    Brazil's alcohol fuel program makes some economic sense because of the country's colossal sugar cane crop and is an improvement on the former program of running buses and trucks on gasogenios, wood burning carbon monoxide generating mobile furnaces that ate up millions of board feet of lumber such as Brazilian Rosewood, that vintage guitar cunts would pay millions of dollars for today. The gasogenios were rapidly deforesting parts of the country.
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  180. @Lagertha
    If the Republicans were smart they should totally hijack habitat preservation and wildlife welfare away from the white Democrats. It can easily be parlayed into subtle digs at unrestricted immigration, because you are all correct: open land and animals will disappear and suffer a cruel end. I've been burned-up about this for decades. Human population should go down, drastically, especially in developing countries/corrupt countries. At some point, it will become an ethical question: more humans consuming...or allowing species such as elephants, whales, mountain lions, eagles, etc., to live? It still upsets me that the mountain lion in Oregon who killed a bicyclist was shot down. He was starving and the spandex wearing cyclist was in his domain.

    If the Republicans were smart they should totally hijack habitat preservation and wildlife welfare …

    Well, it was the Republicans who pioneered it.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/environmentalisms-racist-history

    …or allowing species such as elephants, whales, mountain lions, eagles, etc., to live?

    Bald eagles have made a roaring comeback. I see one or two almost every week now.

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    Me too (non #)...as far as eagles. I do thank Pinchot & Roosevelt whenever I see those birds (saw one today, walking around on my neighbor's yard!). My point is: Progressives want to attack white people for establishing the National Parks....or hoarding the parks...but, it is mostly white people who care about the Parks ; and, most animal welfare in this country...including the millions of unwanted cats & dogs. Animal rescue orgs, Peta, the fight for open land, pipeline protests, cleaning the beaches & rivers, protecting the turtles (using yellow tape to mark their nests on beaches), protesting against factory farm animal abuse, is all the work of white people.
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  181. @Reg Cæsar

    The ethanol program is a farm price-support program, not a climate or air-quality program. It is energy negative and CO2 positive as originally created.
     
    Brazil is huge on ethanol, preferring it to regular. What's that about?

    Perhaps calling their ethanol promotion campaign in the 1970s Pro-Alcool was an effective strategy.

    We might follow suit with "Energy by Everclear".

    Brazil is huge on ethanol, preferring it to regular. What’s that about?

    Cane > corn.

    Perhaps calling their ethanol promotion campaign in the 1970s Pro-Alcool was an effective strategy.

    Brazil also has a tiny per-capita consumption of motor fuel compared to the USA.  If the USA did so well by that measure, it would ALWAYS have been a net petroleum exporter (and OPEC would never have come into existence).

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  182. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The ethanol program is a farm price-support program, not a climate or air-quality program. It is energy negative and CO2 positive as originally created.
     
    Brazil is huge on ethanol, preferring it to regular. What's that about?

    Perhaps calling their ethanol promotion campaign in the 1970s Pro-Alcool was an effective strategy.

    We might follow suit with "Energy by Everclear".

    Brazil’s alcohol fuel program makes some economic sense because of the country’s colossal sugar cane crop and is an improvement on the former program of running buses and trucks on gasogenios, wood burning carbon monoxide generating mobile furnaces that ate up millions of board feet of lumber such as Brazilian Rosewood, that vintage guitar cunts would pay millions of dollars for today. The gasogenios were rapidly deforesting parts of the country.

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    I would also add that Brazil's hot climate makes auto fuel use of ethanol much more practical than it would be in the US. Alcohols have higher latent heat of vaporization meaning that even with electronic fuel injection, getting a cold engine started on ethanol or methanol is very difficult. In much of the CONUS in winter, you'd have to have a prestart system using natural gas or ether or something to get a start.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    ...gasogenios, wood burning carbon monoxide generating mobile furnaces that ate up millions of board feet of lumber such as Brazilian Rosewood, that vintage guitar cunts would pay millions of dollars for today.
     
    Too bad, 'cause Os Gasogenios would be a killer name for a band.
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  183. All you people are against handouts to poor people but for handouts to rich people.

    Good. You’re bright.

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  184. CCZ says:
    @anon
    Because blacks have proven they are highly effective at settling disputes peacefully.

    SUFFOLK, Va (WTKR) — An argument over Aretha Franklin led to a shooting, witnesses told police in one Virginia town Thursday.

    Suffolk Police responded to a report of a gunshot victim Thursday morning around 10:45 a.m. in the 300 block of East Washington Street.

    CBS affiliate WTKR reports a witness said he heard the two people in the argument were fighting over whether or not Halle Berry played Aretha Franklin in a movie.

    Police said the fight turned physical and then one of the subjects produced a firearm, shooting the other man at least once.

    Police said the gunshot victim is considered to be in serious condition.

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    Reminds me of the incident shortly after James Brown's death when two men in Alabama got into an argument over how tall James Brown was. It ended in one guy being shot twice in the abdomen. He then went to his car, retrieved his gun, and shot at, but missed, his assailant.

    Nobody died, except for James Brown of course, who was already dead.
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  185. Lagertha says:
    @Brutusale
    The environmentalists saved the seals. Cape Cod is now seeing a seal buffet calling to every shark in the Atlantic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMOk2sV0fyI

    Mother Nature always knows when the herd needs to be thinned.

    Mother Nature always strikes back. I accept that, 100%, I’ve even had Lyme and West Nile Virus! In the end, GCC obsession is basically, just age-old human, perhaps just SWPL, fear of the unknown. I think Dinosaurs, if they could have talked, would have been bitching about GCC, too…and don’t get me started on Woolly Mammoths.

    Climate Change + environmental concerns < population growth & immigration = Brutusale’s Seal Buffet Bonanza.

    True story: waited for hours for my kid to be seen at an emergency room at small-town hospital many years ago for a bad, acute infection, but not life-threatening. Reason for the wait: Tri-Athalon swimmers (2) had gotten their limbs bitten off by sharks – I had a tough time going in the water after that day. I will pass on seeing Meg.

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  186. Lagertha says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    If the Republicans were smart they should totally hijack habitat preservation and wildlife welfare ...
     
    Well, it was the Republicans who pioneered it.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/environmentalisms-racist-history


    https://72750885.weebly.com/uploads/2/4/1/2/24121253/5403473_orig.jpg


    ...or allowing species such as elephants, whales, mountain lions, eagles, etc., to live?
     
    Bald eagles have made a roaring comeback. I see one or two almost every week now.

    Me too (non #)…as far as eagles. I do thank Pinchot & Roosevelt whenever I see those birds (saw one today, walking around on my neighbor’s yard!). My point is: Progressives want to attack white people for establishing the National Parks….or hoarding the parks…but, it is mostly white people who care about the Parks ; and, most animal welfare in this country…including the millions of unwanted cats & dogs. Animal rescue orgs, Peta, the fight for open land, pipeline protests, cleaning the beaches & rivers, protecting the turtles (using yellow tape to mark their nests on beaches), protesting against factory farm animal abuse, is all the work of white people.

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  187. dfordoom says: • Website
    @peterike

    “You know what’s interesting: we haven’t heard from a white guy yet.” She took a minute to look up and down her agenda to make sure I was right, and then she flashed me a wide grin. “Now you know how it feels,” she said.
     
    I always find this remarkable: the constant complaint that we "never hear" the "voices" of people of color, women and gays. Yet somehow, everywhere I look, I am bombarded with the voices of people of color, women and gays, and nearly always directly at the expense of whites. What we actually never hear are the voices of whites as whites. But the Lees and McKibbens of the world would have you think that the media is a non-stop celebration of white supremacy.

    I wonder, do they really believe this rot that they're being "silenced"? Or do they know they're just playing a game and they have a winning hand?

    What we actually never hear are the voices of whites as whites.

    What we actually never hear are the voices of working-class whites as woking-class whites. And we don’t hear the voices of working-class blacks and browns either.

    What we do hear are the voices of the elites. That’s all we hear. We hear white elites and we hear black and brown and yellow members of the elites and we hear homosexuals (who are as elite as you can get).

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  188. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Charles Pewitt
    The coalition of the fringes has the corporate media on its side. This is why the corporate media is the enemy of the American people.

    Alex Jones was censored because he started talking about open borders mass immigration and the demographic transformation of European Christian nations.

    https://twitter.com/Alba_Risen/status/1030012298218229760

    and the demographic transformation of European Christian nations.

    There aren’t any European Christian nations. Not in western Europe anyway.

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  189. black sea says:
    @CCZ
    SUFFOLK, Va (WTKR) — An argument over Aretha Franklin led to a shooting, witnesses told police in one Virginia town Thursday.

    Suffolk Police responded to a report of a gunshot victim Thursday morning around 10:45 a.m. in the 300 block of East Washington Street.

    CBS affiliate WTKR reports a witness said he heard the two people in the argument were fighting over whether or not Halle Berry played Aretha Franklin in a movie.

    Police said the fight turned physical and then one of the subjects produced a firearm, shooting the other man at least once.

    Police said the gunshot victim is considered to be in serious condition.

    Reminds me of the incident shortly after James Brown’s death when two men in Alabama got into an argument over how tall James Brown was. It ended in one guy being shot twice in the abdomen. He then went to his car, retrieved his gun, and shot at, but missed, his assailant.

    Nobody died, except for James Brown of course, who was already dead.

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    Nobody died, except for James Brown of course, who was already dead.

    And let that be a lesson to us all.

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  190. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Brazil's alcohol fuel program makes some economic sense because of the country's colossal sugar cane crop and is an improvement on the former program of running buses and trucks on gasogenios, wood burning carbon monoxide generating mobile furnaces that ate up millions of board feet of lumber such as Brazilian Rosewood, that vintage guitar cunts would pay millions of dollars for today. The gasogenios were rapidly deforesting parts of the country.

    I would also add that Brazil’s hot climate makes auto fuel use of ethanol much more practical than it would be in the US. Alcohols have higher latent heat of vaporization meaning that even with electronic fuel injection, getting a cold engine started on ethanol or methanol is very difficult. In much of the CONUS in winter, you’d have to have a prestart system using natural gas or ether or something to get a start.

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  191. @Corvinus
    "Anyway, Qanon is a whole heck of a lot bigger than Spygate (though in the worldview they are realated of course)."

    Did it not occur to you that Mr. Sailer is NOTICING Qanon as not being worthy of NOTICING because he steers clear from such conspiracy theories? See, he rather not run the risk of running at the mouth on this topic and it is found to be nothing more than tin-foil ass hattery. Now, of course, if 45,000 sealed indictments are unleashed, and Shitlery, Obama, and their merry band of followers are arrested, then Mr. Sailer will throw in in his two cents. And the only way for Qanon to be completely legitimized is if those two things happen. Remember, Qanon said in October 2017 that Shitlery and Obama were to be locked up. Nothing occurred. Now, it has been told that this is the year they will be dragged off in cuffs.

    "Whatever the truth, we have a significant fraction of the population that believes our elites are Satanic pedophiles, who practice human sacrifice and cannibalism at times."

    And what happens if it is not the truth after all, that people have been in reality duped? Will you and others go on the record to say they were perpetually misled?

    And speaking of "truth", Alt Right leader Vox Day qualifies QANON--maybe he is a fraud, but even if he is, look at what he has done--Who Q happens to be and whether everything that Q says is 100 percent accurate or not, you know, these things are not even relevant points, they're not even relevant questions.

    “Nothing occurred.”
    Prince Alwaleed might differ.
    (Obviously, “Q” has said many things that are literally false, but are they all completely false?)
    (And of course the sealed indictments are completely real…)

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  192. Ganderson says:
    @Screwtape
    Its a short leap from anti-human to anti-white.

    Most self-proclaimed environmentalists are deeply self loathing and full of free floating guilt. The left has taken advantage for decades, providing an endless buffet of reasons why they should hate themselves.

    But it comes with a handbook to help them project that onto others who are less holy and more guilty, aka most white folks.

    From noble savages to driving a Tesla, these creeps have been banging their drum against humans - and particulalry humans that build and support civilizations.

    The dissonance of their calls for both Progress and preservation are entirely lost in the noise of blame whitey.

    They are deeply unprincipled. When their platforms are forced to their logical conclusions its basically about suiciding. Or at a minimum, massive wealth redistribution and oppression.

    And since all but whitness is sacred, the whitness must go. Nigerian birth rates be damned.

    The only true enviromentalists ive known have been friends and family of the mountain west who farm, hunt, fish, log, and steward the land.

    They exist in reality; the actual intersections of human life and the environment. Not some flat in SF. They know what the land provides and what it takes to produce the energy, food, and resources to support 350 million people who all aspire to have moar.

    Ive seen how the fringe treats the environment. Been all over the world. Its terrible. Also lived in LA. So ive seen the homes, yards, alleys, parks, rivers amd streams of these fringe communities. They are literally trash. Save the whales? Sure, but how about you clean up after you leave the park?

    Ducks Unlimited does more for the environment than the Sierra Club ever did.

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  193. Ganderson says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Motown gave its performers comportment classes in polite behavior.

    Aretha was from higher up the social scale than the Supremes. Her father was a prominent minister.

    OT, but… why was Aretha Franklin, being from Detroit, on Atlantic records rather than Motown?

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    Aretha could have been on Motown in 1960 but it was still a tiny label at the time and Reverend Franklin didn't consider it to be good enough for his daughter. Only the big boys in New York were good enough, so she signed to Columbia.

    She went to Atlantic after Columbia dropped her.
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  194. Ganderson says:
    @Lagertha
    I too, am stunned how so many people look like my family members, especially in Montana. Why red hair: The Mountain West (& ND, SD, ID) are full of the descendants of Norwegians, Danes, Finns and Dutch*. (Swedes settled more in MN/WI/MI). Norwegians & Finns were attracted to the austerity of the landscapes that felt like home; Danes & Dutch saw the beautiful, very wide valleys with great rivers since most became dairy farmers/grain farmers.

    Most of the early settlers, before they could start-up the dairy farm, or grain farm, the still, the lumber yard, the carpentry, farrier, etc., buiz, came for the forestry, lumber and mining work which was plentiful, but very hard work - they often lived in camps, much like barracks. Funny factoid: young women from Finland, Norway & Denmark, Holland were sent for (by business owners) to come and cook, clean, do laundry at these work camps. The men would get drunk and fight too much, so sending for women, who eventually would marry and civilize these men, was very unique in USA history. Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, ND, SD (and, of course MN, WI, MI) have the most Nordic looking people (& Dutch...but still blondies) in the USA.

    School starts soon, and kids from Montana are taken up to Glacier (more remote than Yellowstone) for bonding experiences. My son & gf were there in early December , and he said it was sublime because it was deserted.

    * there are two towns called Manhattan & Amsterdam to the west of Livingston & Bozeman. Boze & Livingston were name after historical people...but the Dutch named their towns, along the former railroad, to revere their former homeland.

    No redheads in my Swedish-American family- two blondes and two brown hairs. I just watched Jan Troell’s Utvandrarna and Det Nya Landet (The Emigrants and the New Land) for the first time in many years. After I got used to old time Småland accents ( well, I never really did

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    …continued… I was impressed at how brave these people were, people who were, broadly considered, my ancestors. We moderns are such pussies! Also lots of Swedes went to Chicago- “Andersonville” is the area around the corner of Clark and Foster. I feel strangely at home there!

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  196. @black sea
    Reminds me of the incident shortly after James Brown's death when two men in Alabama got into an argument over how tall James Brown was. It ended in one guy being shot twice in the abdomen. He then went to his car, retrieved his gun, and shot at, but missed, his assailant.

    Nobody died, except for James Brown of course, who was already dead.

    Nobody died, except for James Brown of course, who was already dead.

    And let that be a lesson to us all.

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  197. @Ganderson
    OT, but... why was Aretha Franklin, being from Detroit, on Atlantic records rather than Motown?

    Aretha could have been on Motown in 1960 but it was still a tiny label at the time and Reverend Franklin didn’t consider it to be good enough for his daughter. Only the big boys in New York were good enough, so she signed to Columbia.

    She went to Atlantic after Columbia dropped her.

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  198. @ThreeCranes
    You took the words (or sentiment) right out of my mouth. When my self-proclaimed progressive friend protested to me; "but TC, I can't oppose immigration, my mother was an immigrant after WW2." I thought that over and said back, "Believing in something because your mother believed in it is not progressive, its as conservative as can be."

    Amazingly, he agreed. We still talk, but not as much as we used to and it's a bit strained because we have to avoid certain issues.

    I have a friend from childhood–60 years now–with whom I still keep in touch regularly. He’s a liberal, though, and I’m sorry to say that does put a damper on our conversation. He thinks my views are “wacko,” while I think (but don’t tell him) that he has swallowed whole the false narrative that the Powers that Be have propagated for their own benefit.

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  199. @Anonymous
    Brazil's alcohol fuel program makes some economic sense because of the country's colossal sugar cane crop and is an improvement on the former program of running buses and trucks on gasogenios, wood burning carbon monoxide generating mobile furnaces that ate up millions of board feet of lumber such as Brazilian Rosewood, that vintage guitar cunts would pay millions of dollars for today. The gasogenios were rapidly deforesting parts of the country.

    gasogenios, wood burning carbon monoxide generating mobile furnaces that ate up millions of board feet of lumber such as Brazilian Rosewood, that vintage guitar cunts would pay millions of dollars for today.

    Too bad, ’cause Os Gasogenios would be a killer name for a band.

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