RSS
From Intelligence:
Yaqiang Qi, Yajie Xiong
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2023.101752Abstract
Drawing on data from three waves of the China Family Panel Studies (CFPS), we find a substantial intercohort upsurge of both vocabulary and mathematical abilities among the Chinese general population born between 1935 and 1984. Consistent with the well-established Flynn effect, Chinese adults boost their average vocabulary score by 3.21 points and mathematical score by 3.83 points per decade. Further examinations suggest that the observed intercohort gains in cognition are largely associated with educational expansion, nutritional improvement and reduced family size. These factors together account for about 76% of vocabulary gains and 79% of mathematical gains. Moreover, subgroup analyses reveal that females gain at a much faster pace than do males in terms of both vocabulary and mathematical scores among the studied cohorts, with young females catching up and even surpassing males in the recent cohorts; while rural residents still fall behind their urban counterparts for both vocabulary and mathematical abilities. Taken together, these findings are consistent with the life history theory and strongly support the fundamental role of socioenvironmental changes in producing the Flynn effect.
A Flynn Effect of 3.5+ points per decade sounds modestly bigger than the Flynn Effects observed in the West over the same time period, suggesting the mainland Chinese improved moderately relatively to Europeans and Americans.
English
Arabic
Chinese (Simplified)
Dutch
French
German
Hebrew
Hindi
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Persian
Polish
Portuguese
Russian
Spanish
Swedish
Turkish
Vietnamese
Several questions.
1. What’s the average IQ in China today?
2. When China finally maximizes its per capita GDP, will this be accompanied by a notable rise in the average IQ? By how much?
3. Are there significant regional differences in IQ? For example, do the affluent Southeastern provinces have stronger cognitive ability than the inland provinces? Is there a major difference between the urban and rural areas?
I predict that very soon after yours there will be a post from Twinkie explaining how Koreans are the most superior people of all. They are tall, handsome and athletic, and the white womens love them, even more than they love Africans.Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie
104.1 according to Goog'. Not sure how they came up with this number but...there 'tis.
The Nazis are always demonized for their eugenic policies encouraging smarter Germans to have more kids. But compare the Nazi approach to that of the Bolsheviks, who targeted Christian "intelligents" for liquidation, frequently murdering them with their wives and children. That we never hear about the Bolsheviks' intentionally dysgenic slaughter proves the world's media is in the hands of the perpetrators.
For decades, now, the same world media have been lionizing the "successful" Western career woman who "bravely" chooses childlessness while relentlessly promoting our own dysgenic policies, like literally paying the poor to have more kids and allowing mass immigration from some of the lowest IQ countries on the planet, .
2. Median guess as to final Chinese IQ amongst Unz contributors is 108, based on the above factors.
3. Based on PISA scores and other indicators, there is remarkably little difference in IQ amongst Han Chinese, when adjusted for the factors Steve Sailer discusses.
Central government jobs in China require applicants with IQs around 140 these days. Two Provincial Governors were astrophysicists who also ran China's space program and designed its rockets.
As President Trump said in 2015, “People say you don’t like China. No, I love them. But their leaders are much smarter than our leaders. And we can’t sustain ourselves like that. It’s like playing the New England Patriots and Tom Brady against your high school football team.”
Judging from your past posts, you are no doubt aware of this study that compares the Japanese and Koreans: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886911001437
Interestingly, both South Korean average height and GDP per capita (PPP) have exceeded those of Japan in very recent years.
And we won't even mention the preponderance of plastic surgery.
And the rise in China is matched by the decline in America.
In Sodom by the Bay
The trigger for the article was this:
What’s striking is 7,000 employees in 104 k square feet: 15 sq ft each. A 5×3 cubicle before corridors bathrooms and “fully functional coffee bar,” board rooms, and “high-end” presentation floors.
Snug ain’t the word.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/salesforce-ditches-last-san-francisco-office-commercial-vacancy-rate-hits-all-time-high
1. What's the average IQ in China today?
2. When China finally maximizes its per capita GDP, will this be accompanied by a notable rise in the average IQ? By how much?
3. Are there significant regional differences in IQ? For example, do the affluent Southeastern provinces have stronger cognitive ability than the inland provinces? Is there a major difference between the urban and rural areas?Replies: @Renard, @Prester John, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Vito Klein, @Godfree Roberts
Also, have they accounted for the fact that Asians are notorious for cheating on tests of all kinds?
I predict that very soon after yours there will be a post from Twinkie explaining how Koreans are the most superior people of all. They are tall, handsome and athletic, and the white womens love them, even more than they love Africans.
https://compote.slate.com/images/87681abe-f725-444b-aca1-470751e114ca.png
Not only are the South Koreans the tallest and the smartest of Asians, they are also the most alcoholic!Replies: @QCIC, @Renard, @Hypnotoad666, @Reg Cæsar
I predict that very soon after yours there will be a post from Twinkie explaining how Koreans are the most superior people of all. They are tall, handsome and athletic, and the white womens love them, even more than they love Africans.Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie
Beat you to it, bud. Read up-thread.
I predict that very soon after yours there will be a post from Twinkie explaining how Koreans are the most superior people of all. They are tall, handsome and athletic, and the white womens love them, even more than they love Africans.Replies: @Twinkie, @Twinkie
And you left out the most important:
Not only are the South Koreans the tallest and the smartest of Asians, they are also the most alcoholic!
https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8459/8029966246_d152317e56.jpg
As with the licensed-blowfish-cook signs-- way more common in Seoul than in Tokyo, at least in 1985-- you're putting your life in these hands.
1. What's the average IQ in China today?
2. When China finally maximizes its per capita GDP, will this be accompanied by a notable rise in the average IQ? By how much?
3. Are there significant regional differences in IQ? For example, do the affluent Southeastern provinces have stronger cognitive ability than the inland provinces? Is there a major difference between the urban and rural areas?Replies: @Renard, @Prester John, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Vito Klein, @Godfree Roberts
“What’s the average IQ in China today?”
104.1 according to Goog’. Not sure how they came up with this number but…there ’tis.
Would be very surprising if that was not the case.
America by 1900 was already the most prosperous, best fed nation in the history of the planet. And starvation was basically gone from the entire West–excepting the war years and extreme individual circumstances. Westerners needed somewhat more and better (more protein, various vitamins/minerals) food, and when they got it after the War grew taller, stronger, smarter, etc. But Westerners were–in the majority–not generally malnourished in the 20th century.
Likewise, most Western societies had some sort of program of universal education by the early 20th century and had high (90%+) literacy among cohorts starting early in the 20th century. After the War this broadened and deepened to near universal literacy, most everyone completing secondary education and large numbers of college educated people.
In contrast, Asian still had numerous famines throughout the 20th century–natural and war and even politically induced. The typical Asian–including Chinese–was not really adequately through much of the 20th century. And literacy was rare among Asians at the beginning of the 20th century and not really universalized until after the War. And even then, the quality of education during various periods under Mao, less than ideal. But these post-Mao 1980s cohorts grew up in a very different China.
Actually, given the range of cohorts where, 1934–holy cow!–to 1984–practically night and day for China, I’m surprised the measured gain is only 3.5/decade.
Personally I can say my early Silent Generation parents who grew up on farms starting in the Great Depression were very serious about food, eating and finishing your plate ("children are starving in India"), and also made comments/boasts to the effect we were "eating better than the poor folks" although that wasn't a nutritional thing per se.My current paradigmatic example is how Xi's education was brutally ended in middle school by the Cultural Revolution; lots of people say this is evident in limits of his vocabulary. More generally this successful bid by Mao to regain political power created a "Lost Generation" of relatively uneducated people. Mao was in that loss of power position because his previous Great Leap Backward resulted in a famine that killed anywhere from 15 to 55 million per Wikipedia, and obviously would have malnourished a lot of the survivors. Per Wikipedia per Ding the the Anti-Rightist Campaign, "in addition to some natural disasters and the Sino-Soviet split" were also at fault.Very very true. Deng effectively ended the regime where you stayed on the good side of your block or village committee to get your food ration coupons or you starved to death. The creation of a private market in food made that tool much less effective, and I'm sure it allowed people to supplement their food intake beyond what the Party thought was adequate, or could even supply with the best of intentions within the strictures of their ideology.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Robert Lindsay, @Robert Lindsay
Generally not true though. Sure, as an economy grows, you can build nicer schools. The number of schools in China grew 10% per year under Mao! This held true during the Cultural Revolution. During the Cultural Revolution, the number of schools in China grew by 10% per year! And the CR placed a huge emphasis on building elementary and junior high schools in the rural areas. If you go out to the rural areas and ask about the CR, a lot of them have fond memories of it.
And life expectancy grew at record rates for every year of the CR.
When Deng came in, first thing he did was close lots of schools, especially junior highs in the rural areas. A lot of kids still have to ride buses quite some distance to get to school.
Not that weren't serious abuses and crimes committed during the CR!
China's takeoff under Mao, 1951-1975, sustained much faster economic growth than any national economy in history, including Britain's, Germany's, America's and Japan's.
In that decade, Mao doubled life expectancy and caloric intake, launched ocean-going liners, made hundreds of locomotives, put satellites in space, invented the atomic and hydrogen bomb...at a pace which, pari passu, it sustains today.
Education took off like a rocket, obviously.
Read The Unknown Revolution: Life and Change in a Chinese Village. Donping Han
http://www.amazon.com/Cultural-Revolution-Change-Chinese-Village/dp/1583671803
Gao Village: A Portrait of Rural Life in Modern China. Mobo Gao
https://www.amazon.com/Gao-Village-Portrait-Rural-Modern/dp/0824821238/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1500267130&sr=8-3-fkmr0&keywords=gap+village%2C+by+mobo+gao
Coastal Chinese are clever, inland Chinese not so much.
The scary thing here–for us Westerners–is “what’s to come”.
I do not doubt that China the past few decades has dysgenic fertility. The smartest, most capable Han girls had gone to the cities and have not been popping out a whole lot of babies. (Actually, told not to under the one-child debacle which took the Chicoms way to long to lift.)
But China does not have the genocidal “must have immigration!!!” loons we have. Much less given them influence and control in their nation, like we have. So China is not waving in millions of mostly low-skill, low-IQ, low-conscientiousness foreigners …. right into the face of the coming automation/robotics shockwave.
And one-peopleish China (90% Han) can have intelligent debates about genetics and adopt explicitly eugenic policies. Which we–Nazis!!!–can not.
And then there is explicit genetic technology–selection and even CRSPR-Cas9. The Chinese will plow ahead and actually create more capable people. While we will still be handcuffed by Jewish psychodrama and ideology and worshipping blacks.
Obviously, things could go really tits up for the Chinese somewhere along the line. But really the future of the West does not look bright. Turns out, adopting the ideology of loons who hate you … bad idea. “Suicide” is not a winning policy.
Famines
People too often associate pars pro toto China with all of East Asia. There hasn’t been a major famine in Japan since 1833–1837.
The three major famines of Japanese history. Alan Macfarlane
http://www.alanmacfarlane.com/savage/A-JAPFAM.PDF
But yeah, nothing groundbreaking here, the period from being Africa-tier shithole to Deng’s reforms. The research was partly done at a Western institution (Univ Maryland) on a Western paradigm (IQ) on a thesis named after a Western scholar (Flynn).
What is glaring is that there has never been in the history of TUR a Chinese or even NE Asian blogger.
Also, there are a number of white female commenters on iSteve, but I don’t think there has ever been an East Asian female commenter. If you are one, you should be welcome to jump out and call me an idiot.
Otherwise what is good about all that awesome yellow IQ if you are too meek to speak out?
A typical Han genius can’t even do a proper girl pushup–
https://sports.yahoo.com/high-school-basketball-star-mikey-williams-arrested-facing-felony-gun-charges-194800103.html
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/tennessee-national-guardsman-caught-trying-165000160.html
I bet they can do push-ups.Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
Unz contributors are parochial in outlook and assume the whole world has the same interests, goals, expectations, understanding of history, purpose of government, societal roles and points of views as they do.
Not so.Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Reg Cæsar
It's a scam so they can enroll more minorities and make money out of the football program. In Europe, athletic skills do not get you far in the education system. Academic skills do.Replies: @Steve Sailer
I do not doubt that China the past few decades has dysgenic fertility. The smartest, most capable Han girls had gone to the cities and have not been popping out a whole lot of babies. (Actually, told not to under the one-child debacle which took the Chicoms way to long to lift.)
But China does not have the genocidal "must have immigration!!!" loons we have. Much less given them influence and control in their nation, like we have. So China is not waving in millions of mostly low-skill, low-IQ, low-conscientiousness foreigners .... right into the face of the coming automation/robotics shockwave.
And one-peopleish China (90% Han) can have intelligent debates about genetics and adopt explicitly eugenic policies. Which we--Nazis!!!--can not.
And then there is explicit genetic technology--selection and even CRSPR-Cas9. The Chinese will plow ahead and actually create more capable people. While we will still be handcuffed by Jewish psychodrama and ideology and worshipping blacks.
Obviously, things could go really tits up for the Chinese somewhere along the line. But really the future of the West does not look bright. Turns out, adopting the ideology of loons who hate you ... bad idea. "Suicide" is not a winning policy.Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Jack D
Pogrom should be a positive word. I guess Jews feel that any people who put up with them are stupid, and I agree that putting up with Jews is stupid.
This is why the right has been losing these past decades. It's full of malcontents, full of ressentiment, which well-adjusted people naturally find odious. Muh "pogrom should be a positive word" is a terrific example of this.
But we have diversity, which I have been assured is the greatest human resource of them all. No doubt in its surveillance of our TikTok content, China watches and trembles at the quality of our human capital.
https://compote.slate.com/images/87681abe-f725-444b-aca1-470751e114ca.png
Not only are the South Koreans the tallest and the smartest of Asians, they are also the most alcoholic!Replies: @QCIC, @Renard, @Hypnotoad666, @Reg Cæsar
Does this explain why the DPRK has not reached its full potential, they simply do not have enough hooch?
Thanks. I think putting numbers on the height games gives good perspective. It looks like maturation is shifting earlier as well. I wonder if that is nutrition, chemicals in the environment, or ?
In Sodom by the BayThe trigger for the article was this:What's striking is 7,000 employees in 104 k square feet: 15 sq ft each. A 5x3 cubicle before corridors bathrooms and "fully functional coffee bar," board rooms, and "high-end" presentation floors.
Snug ain't the word.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/salesforce-ditches-last-san-francisco-office-commercial-vacancy-rate-hits-all-time-highReplies: @epebble
It is not just San Francisco. It is the trend everywhere.
I have a feeling that high increases in China are even more impressive than the Flynn effect.
Which makes me wonder if there aren’t some common causes.
After all height increases are NOT measuring issues.
Which makes me wonder if there aren't some common causes.
After all height increases are NOT measuring issues.Replies: @michael droy, @DuanDiRen
“Height” increases – silly mistake
http://www.alanmacfarlane.com/savage/A-JAPFAM.PDFBut yeah, nothing groundbreaking here, the period from being Africa-tier shithole to Deng's reforms. The research was partly done at a Western institution (Univ Maryland) on a Western paradigm (IQ) on a thesis named after a Western scholar (Flynn).What is glaring is that there has never been in the history of TUR a Chinese or even NE Asian blogger. Also, there are a number of white female commenters on iSteve, but I don't think there has ever been an East Asian female commenter. If you are one, you should be welcome to jump out and call me an idiot.Otherwise what is good about all that awesome yellow IQ if you are too meek to speak out? A typical Han genius can't even do a proper girl pushup--https://twitter.com/chenqiushi404/status/1632657809358868480Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Anonymous, @Liger, @BB753, @Blinky Bill, @Reg Cæsar
I guess you are serious. Either way, the U.S. is on the right path!
https://sports.yahoo.com/high-school-basketball-star-mikey-williams-arrested-facing-felony-gun-charges-194800103.html
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/tennessee-national-guardsman-caught-trying-165000160.html
I bet they can do push-ups.
OT – developments in the case of the murder of Cash App founder Bob Lee:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cash-app-founders-death-sprang-dispute-over-suspects-sister-court-docs
Assumed urban-decay murder turns out to be gold-chain-people (GCP) related honor killing.
The killer is a Parsi, I don’t think they are gold chain types.
I read that the use of private after-school tutors “(hagwons) is rampant in S. Korea. Laws prohibit them from tutoring after 10 p.m., and they can be raided for breaking the law. But still, a majority of Korean high-school students are myopic, and many suffer from curvature of the spine and “turtleneck syndrome,” from hours of studying. A familiar, cynical saying, “pass on four, fail on five,” refers to how many hours of sleep the kid is getting. I suspect that the above, while dystopian, affects IQ gains.
America by 1900 was already the most prosperous, best fed nation in the history of the planet. And starvation was basically gone from the entire West--excepting the war years and extreme individual circumstances. Westerners needed somewhat more and better (more protein, various vitamins/minerals) food, and when they got it after the War grew taller, stronger, smarter, etc. But Westerners were--in the majority--not generally malnourished in the 20th century.
Likewise, most Western societies had some sort of program of universal education by the early 20th century and had high (90%+) literacy among cohorts starting early in the 20th century. After the War this broadened and deepened to near universal literacy, most everyone completing secondary education and large numbers of college educated people.
In contrast, Asian still had numerous famines throughout the 20th century--natural and war and even politically induced. The typical Asian--including Chinese--was not really adequately through much of the 20th century. And literacy was rare among Asians at the beginning of the 20th century and not really universalized until after the War. And even then, the quality of education during various periods under Mao, less than ideal. But these post-Mao 1980s cohorts grew up in a very different China.
Actually, given the range of cohorts where, 1934--holy cow!--to 1984--practically night and day for China, I'm surprised the measured gain is only 3.5/decade.Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Robert Lindsay, @Godfree Roberts
You sure about that, or do the Great Depression years fit in with your exceptions and as populations go, didn’t last all that long? Because not long before we entered WWII the US Department of Agriculture estimated about a quarter of the US population was malnourished, which we know was in part deliberate fallout from the New Deal’s farm programs. Which I understand was then confirmed during the WWII draft, and was an input into the creation of the Federal school lunch program.
Personally I can say my early Silent Generation parents who grew up on farms starting in the Great Depression were very serious about food, eating and finishing your plate (“children are starving in India”), and also made comments/boasts to the effect we were “eating better than the poor folks” although that wasn’t a nutritional thing per se.
My current paradigmatic example is how Xi’s education was brutally ended in middle school by the Cultural Revolution; lots of people say this is evident in limits of his vocabulary. More generally this successful bid by Mao to regain political power created a “Lost Generation” of relatively uneducated people. Mao was in that loss of power position because his previous Great Leap Backward resulted in a famine that killed anywhere from 15 to 55 million per Wikipedia, and obviously would have malnourished a lot of the survivors. Per Wikipedia per Ding the the Anti-Rightist Campaign, “in addition to some natural disasters and the Sino-Soviet split” were also at fault.
Very very true. Deng effectively ended the regime where you stayed on the good side of your block or village committee to get your food ration coupons or you starved to death. The creation of a private market in food made that tool much less effective, and I’m sure it allowed people to supplement their food intake beyond what the Party thought was adequate, or could even supply with the best of intentions within the strictures of their ideology.
My parents also grew up on farms during the Depression, and also were very much "clean your plate" and "children are starving in China and India". (To which, I of course, suggested sending them my broccoli.) And indeed they felt fortunate in that they always had enough to eat, even if they would have liked more. I have known a few adults--mostly in the South--who recalled a much rougher experience, at times relying on government rations--I think one secretary talk about dried peas. Far from ideal--and no doubt suppressive of full development of physical/mental potential development--but still not the sort of malnutrition common in China.
So yeah. Maybe the simpler way to say it is that famine--outside of wartime--was gone for the West, and the stunting effects of sub-optimal nutrition statistically much less common and much, much less severe than in Asia.
Capitalists don't care how long you live.
Capitalists do not value education and cut funding for it every chance they get.
Capitalists also devalue health care and cut funding for it every chance they get.Sure, the alternatives to capitalism haven't worked out real well, but capitalist continues to kill.Deng didn't bring capitalism to China. That's BS. Deng lived and died a communist. His goal was actually to make China "a rich communist country." China is one of the most socialist countries on Earth at the moment. It's market socialism, sure, but that's not a bad thing. Every economic method needs markets. Getting rid of markets upsets everything and nothing makes sense anymore. Production and pricing are seriously hindered and distorted.NB: I don't doubt that Mao did a lot of stupid s_t, and that is actually the attitude of the CPC at the moment.
People in the rural areas didn't work real hard during the Mao era. This has been a huge problem everywhere that agriculture was collectivized.
https://compote.slate.com/images/87681abe-f725-444b-aca1-470751e114ca.png
Not only are the South Koreans the tallest and the smartest of Asians, they are also the most alcoholic!Replies: @QCIC, @Renard, @Hypnotoad666, @Reg Cæsar
Touché! And thank you; I have newfound respect for your people.
India is merely reclaiming its historical prominence. According to the WSJ, the more people the better, and if your country doesn’t have enough people guess what the answer is?
India is in the process of exporting its primary product: its population. Ten percent of India can swamp just about any other country on Earth.
The Vietnamese are going to start cheating on test next! You watch.
http://www.alanmacfarlane.com/savage/A-JAPFAM.PDFBut yeah, nothing groundbreaking here, the period from being Africa-tier shithole to Deng's reforms. The research was partly done at a Western institution (Univ Maryland) on a Western paradigm (IQ) on a thesis named after a Western scholar (Flynn).What is glaring is that there has never been in the history of TUR a Chinese or even NE Asian blogger. Also, there are a number of white female commenters on iSteve, but I don't think there has ever been an East Asian female commenter. If you are one, you should be welcome to jump out and call me an idiot.Otherwise what is good about all that awesome yellow IQ if you are too meek to speak out? A typical Han genius can't even do a proper girl pushup--https://twitter.com/chenqiushi404/status/1632657809358868480Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Anonymous, @Liger, @BB753, @Blinky Bill, @Reg Cæsar
I agree. There is not one writer about East Asia on Unz who knows anything worth paying attention to. Not one of them can even read the headlines on, say, 日本経済新聞 or 朝日新聞, let alone the articles. Not one of them could read an opinion piece by, for example, 中野 晃一 , never mind something he’s written of book length such as グローバルな規範／ローカルな政治：民主主義のゆくえ or 私物化される国家 支配と服従の日本政治.
Unz contributors are parochial in outlook and assume the whole world has the same interests, goals, expectations, understanding of history, purpose of government, societal roles and points of views as they do.
Not so.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/20/opinion/japan-abe-military.html
I'm only a Japan expert for a Chinese ethnic. The dynamics of Japan-Korea relations to me is pretty alien. People don't get that Orientals are also incrutable to each other.
What is happening with Kishida? Is Japan on the verge of another ににろくじけん?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous
Personally I can say my early Silent Generation parents who grew up on farms starting in the Great Depression were very serious about food, eating and finishing your plate ("children are starving in India"), and also made comments/boasts to the effect we were "eating better than the poor folks" although that wasn't a nutritional thing per se.My current paradigmatic example is how Xi's education was brutally ended in middle school by the Cultural Revolution; lots of people say this is evident in limits of his vocabulary. More generally this successful bid by Mao to regain political power created a "Lost Generation" of relatively uneducated people. Mao was in that loss of power position because his previous Great Leap Backward resulted in a famine that killed anywhere from 15 to 55 million per Wikipedia, and obviously would have malnourished a lot of the survivors. Per Wikipedia per Ding the the Anti-Rightist Campaign, "in addition to some natural disasters and the Sino-Soviet split" were also at fault.Very very true. Deng effectively ended the regime where you stayed on the good side of your block or village committee to get your food ration coupons or you starved to death. The creation of a private market in food made that tool much less effective, and I'm sure it allowed people to supplement their food intake beyond what the Party thought was adequate, or could even supply with the best of intentions within the strictures of their ideology.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Robert Lindsay, @Robert Lindsay
I also knew people who grew up during the Great Depression 1.0. (BTW, I’d heard “starving people in China” more than “in India”, but either would be correct though not a very good explanation of why you needed to eat your butterbeans.) I wonder how long the effects were of the malnutrition of that quarter of the population for maybe 1/2 a decade were. It was nothing, of course, that can be likened to the Mao-induced starvation – I’ve read numbers in ths 30-40 million range.
From personal accounts from Chinese people, they were still using ration coupons into the early 1980s. That was perhaps not in the area in which Deng allowed to become prosperous first, the southeast. At one point the coupons helped a family live (barely) off of American-sent corn. Thing is, it was feed corn, not sweet corn, and not particularly fresh either. (Hey, we were the enemy of the Communists, so beggars can’t be choosers.) Thank you for your accurate take on the political/economic evil of Chairman Mao.
There is that Flynn Effect on IQ, sure, but I don’t see the Chinese people getting better/stronger in other ways. The newest generation to come of age is pretty spoiled – raised by 6 people (2 parents and 4 grandparents). There’s that “lying flat” thing, and they spend way too much time on-line – same as elsewhere. I don’t know, having fewer, smarter, but lazier people may still work out well for them. Again, as AnotherDad says, they still have their OWN country.
Then, there’s the Orwellian stuff in China, a whole nother story.
A good measure of ‘Chinese Flynn effect’:
Too much weed man, Kim encourages smoking the weed to keep them passive.
I thought the Flynn Effect was guys bringing underage girls aboard their yachts,getting wasted and indulging in all manner of sex games.
I would bet the Flynn Effect is on the rise in China.😮
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cash-app-founders-death-sprang-dispute-over-suspects-sister-court-docs
Assumed urban-decay murder turns out to be gold-chain-people (GCP) related honor killing.Replies: @Anon, @Pixo
Interesting, the supposed “killer” drives to a “secluded area” where someone was there to capture video for upload to social media.
Frenzies of mob violence — which primarily targeted rural villagers, women and children among them — can never be a positive thing, and it is both shameful and evil to suggest otherwise.
This is why the right has been losing these past decades. It’s full of malcontents, full of ressentiment, which well-adjusted people naturally find odious. Muh “pogrom should be a positive word” is a terrific example of this.
1. What's the average IQ in China today?
2. When China finally maximizes its per capita GDP, will this be accompanied by a notable rise in the average IQ? By how much?
3. Are there significant regional differences in IQ? For example, do the affluent Southeastern provinces have stronger cognitive ability than the inland provinces? Is there a major difference between the urban and rural areas?Replies: @Renard, @Prester John, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Vito Klein, @Godfree Roberts
Within China, Southern Chinese are generally considered more intelligent than Northern Chinese. Which seems counterintuitive since historically Northern people have conquered Southern people – which definitely holds true in China, with them being conquered by Mongols and Manchus. Even the people that originally unified China – the Qin – were from a northern, inland kingdom.
The first divide in China is between inland/rural vs coastal. Most of the Chinese major cities are along the eastern coast of China although there are several major inland cities (much like America’s most important cities are coastal NYC and LA, but inland Chicago, Houston, etc. are also prominent).
It’s true the second divide is North/South but it’s not like the American North/South where there are two distinct camps. There is a continuum where the northernmost parts of China have more northern barbarian blood (homelands of the Mongols, Manchus, etc.), the southernmost parts of China have more southern barbarian blood (more aborigine characteristics of the peoples of Laos, Cambodia, etc. ie “jungle asians”), with the central coastal parts of China having the smartest Chinese, presumably because they have the least “barbarian” blood. Shanghai is basically the center of China geographically. If you look at IQ test by province, the central provinces surrounding Shanghai have the highest IQs.
The Chinese people originated in the north, but found it easy to push into the south and conquer the aborigine inhabitants who lived in lush and rich environments. The further south you go, the more aborigine blood is admixed.
The Chinese people faced a different challenge from the North. It was harder to spread into the harsher and more sparse northern environment and it’s always been a challenge to defeat nomadic invaders. Beijing (In Chinese it literally translates as “Northern Capital”), was chosen as the Chinese capital to put the emperor close to the northern front line and the Great Wall (much like how the later Roman Emperors were constantly in the North or Near East warring against barbarians. Some Roman Emperors were born on the frontlines and died on the frontlines having never spent a day in Rome). With repeated invasions and contact, the more north you go in China the more northern barbarian admixture there is.
The stereotypes of the Northern Chinese are that they are like oafs: big, burly, friendly, like to drink, loyal, honest, but not the smartest. The stereotypes of the Southern Chinese are that they are smaller, clever, but deceitful. But, as I said, they’re not the smartest. Both the most commercially successful and the literati come from central China.
There might be some confusion because of the quirk of Hong Kong, which is a southern city. When the Nationalists lost the war and fled to Taiwan, many of the commercial and literati elite fled to HK, then a British colony. Much of the commercial success of HK owes to a huge number of elite Shanghai families fleeing to HK and bringing their connections, know-how, and capital.
Similarly, Taiwan, despite being off the southern coast of China, is not culturally southern. The modern Taiwanese population can mostly trace their roots to the Nationalist mass evacuation of the mainland, with Chinese peoples not from the south.
http://www.alanmacfarlane.com/savage/A-JAPFAM.PDFBut yeah, nothing groundbreaking here, the period from being Africa-tier shithole to Deng's reforms. The research was partly done at a Western institution (Univ Maryland) on a Western paradigm (IQ) on a thesis named after a Western scholar (Flynn).What is glaring is that there has never been in the history of TUR a Chinese or even NE Asian blogger. Also, there are a number of white female commenters on iSteve, but I don't think there has ever been an East Asian female commenter. If you are one, you should be welcome to jump out and call me an idiot.Otherwise what is good about all that awesome yellow IQ if you are too meek to speak out? A typical Han genius can't even do a proper girl pushup--https://twitter.com/chenqiushi404/status/1632657809358868480Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Anonymous, @Liger, @BB753, @Blinky Bill, @Reg Cæsar
Comrade Chen has a VPN! I’M TELLING!!!
My uneducated guess is that someone can excell at mounted archery while remaining sub-par at MENSA puzzles. Also, leading a army of nomads who can live off mare’s milk and blood highballs if need be probably simplifies logisticall problems considerably. One last thought, nomads invaded opportunistically during times of civil war.
https://sports.yahoo.com/high-school-basketball-star-mikey-williams-arrested-facing-felony-gun-charges-194800103.html
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/tennessee-national-guardsman-caught-trying-165000160.html
I bet they can do push-ups.Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
Human nature is to compare the negative attributes of one’s own society to the positives of a far away one. Sportsball is degenerate, but a few generations ago the All-American jock-scholar thing was still pretty wholesome. Even now hockey, lacrosse, Aussie-rules are mostly scandal-free sports.
Whereas the PRC college entrance system has zero sports or extracurricular component.
The account I quoted is that of CCP critic, Chen Qiushi, who use to be typical scrawny-flabby Chinese guy, but since training for MMA has gotten fairly jacked
Unz contributors are parochial in outlook and assume the whole world has the same interests, goals, expectations, understanding of history, purpose of government, societal roles and points of views as they do.
Not so.Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Reg Cæsar
I actually didn’t about this 中野 晃一 fellow, he had a NYT column I see.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/20/opinion/japan-abe-military.html
I’m only a Japan expert for a Chinese ethnic. The dynamics of Japan-Korea relations to me is pretty alien. People don’t get that Orientals are also incrutable to each other.
What is happening with Kishida? Is Japan on the verge of another ににろくじけん?
Korean TV Network Bans Pop Song for Using Japanese
How a government initiative like that which spread K-pop around the world could ever be successful is a mystery-- but I guess if you throw enough kimchi against the wall, some of it will stick. (I almost said ramen. Don't want to be canceled in the ROK!)
That it would be Psy, and Tayo-- created by Seoul's municipal authorities to teach little kids how to ride the city bus, alone presumably-- makes it all the more mysterious.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BM2Y0Y2YzYTgtNmRjZi00ZDlkLThjNjEtM2Y1NTgzOGExMjkwXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTUyNjc3NDQ4._V1_FMjpg_UX1000_.jpg
https://youtu.be/9bZkp7q19f0Replies: @Malla, @Anonymous
Personally I can say my early Silent Generation parents who grew up on farms starting in the Great Depression were very serious about food, eating and finishing your plate ("children are starving in India"), and also made comments/boasts to the effect we were "eating better than the poor folks" although that wasn't a nutritional thing per se.My current paradigmatic example is how Xi's education was brutally ended in middle school by the Cultural Revolution; lots of people say this is evident in limits of his vocabulary. More generally this successful bid by Mao to regain political power created a "Lost Generation" of relatively uneducated people. Mao was in that loss of power position because his previous Great Leap Backward resulted in a famine that killed anywhere from 15 to 55 million per Wikipedia, and obviously would have malnourished a lot of the survivors. Per Wikipedia per Ding the the Anti-Rightist Campaign, "in addition to some natural disasters and the Sino-Soviet split" were also at fault.Very very true. Deng effectively ended the regime where you stayed on the good side of your block or village committee to get your food ration coupons or you starved to death. The creation of a private market in food made that tool much less effective, and I'm sure it allowed people to supplement their food intake beyond what the Party thought was adequate, or could even supply with the best of intentions within the strictures of their ideology.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Robert Lindsay, @Robert Lindsay
I tried to get the thrust of my idea across, as best I could with the available language. The preceding sentence
is supposed to indicate that nutrition was still sub-optimal, but still a different situation than mass malnutrition which was common in Asia/China in the 20th century.
My parents also grew up on farms during the Depression, and also were very much “clean your plate” and “children are starving in China and India”. (To which, I of course, suggested sending them my broccoli.) And indeed they felt fortunate in that they always had enough to eat, even if they would have liked more. I have known a few adults–mostly in the South–who recalled a much rougher experience, at times relying on government rations–I think one secretary talk about dried peas. Far from ideal–and no doubt suppressive of full development of physical/mental potential development–but still not the sort of malnutrition common in China.
So yeah. Maybe the simpler way to say it is that famine–outside of wartime–was gone for the West, and the stunting effects of sub-optimal nutrition statistically much less common and much, much less severe than in Asia.
Which makes me wonder if there aren't some common causes.
After all height increases are NOT measuring issues.Replies: @michael droy, @DuanDiRen
Yes. It is absolutely routine in Vietnam now to see Grandpa/Dad/Son where Dad is 10cm taller than Grandpa, and Son is 1ocms taller than Dad. I teach undergrads and now see MANY girls who are over 175cms tall – this was virtually unheard of 20 years ago. Difficult to believe superior pre-natal and infant nutrition is not also benefiting IQ.
The bit about family size is interesting. It is well established that first borns tend have higher avg IQ than later borns. Cutting down on later borns seems like an easy way to gain a few points as a population…with disasterous results in other areas.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cash-app-founders-death-sprang-dispute-over-suspects-sister-court-docs
Assumed urban-decay murder turns out to be gold-chain-people (GCP) related honor killing.Replies: @Anon, @Pixo
“ gold-chain-people (GCP) related honor killing.”
The killer is a Parsi, I don’t think they are gold chain types.
South Korea has had the biggest IQ rise and the biggest rise in height.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsE0LMsWYAAk8_-.jpg
https://compote.slate.com/images/87681abe-f725-444b-aca1-470751e114ca.png
Not only are the South Koreans the tallest and the smartest of Asians, they are also the most alcoholic!Replies: @QCIC, @Renard, @Hypnotoad666, @Reg Cæsar
The Slavs (and not just Russians), are obviously the master race when it comes to alcohol consumption. South Korea is only tops in the weaker Asian League.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita
Meanwhile Moldova almost doubled between those two years and became first while Lithuania almost tripled and became second. The shifts in consumption (up or down) are quite dramatic in several countries.
Personally I can say my early Silent Generation parents who grew up on farms starting in the Great Depression were very serious about food, eating and finishing your plate ("children are starving in India"), and also made comments/boasts to the effect we were "eating better than the poor folks" although that wasn't a nutritional thing per se.My current paradigmatic example is how Xi's education was brutally ended in middle school by the Cultural Revolution; lots of people say this is evident in limits of his vocabulary. More generally this successful bid by Mao to regain political power created a "Lost Generation" of relatively uneducated people. Mao was in that loss of power position because his previous Great Leap Backward resulted in a famine that killed anywhere from 15 to 55 million per Wikipedia, and obviously would have malnourished a lot of the survivors. Per Wikipedia per Ding the the Anti-Rightist Campaign, "in addition to some natural disasters and the Sino-Soviet split" were also at fault.Very very true. Deng effectively ended the regime where you stayed on the good side of your block or village committee to get your food ration coupons or you starved to death. The creation of a private market in food made that tool much less effective, and I'm sure it allowed people to supplement their food intake beyond what the Party thought was adequate, or could even supply with the best of intentions within the strictures of their ideology.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Robert Lindsay, @Robert Lindsay
Nobody starved to death under Mao if they weren’t on the good side of the party head in the village. Maoism didn’t work that way.
except for the Great Leap but even then, the Leap was a success because in every year but once, the death rate was lower than pre-1949. So, yeah, Mao’s program was killing people, but pre-revolutionary China was killing them even worse. The better society is not the one that doesn’t kill you, it’s the one who kills fewer of you.
During the Mao era, life expectancy doubled from 32 in 1949 to 65 in 1980, setting a world record for doubling in the shortest period of time. The previous record was held by Joseph Stalin! All we hear is gloom and doom about the Mao era, but if you go to China, especially in the rural areas, people who lived through it smile and say nothing but good things about Mao.
If you look at that life expectancy figure, you can see why. Mao gave the Chinese people the greatest gift of all, more life and less death. And for the living he gave them the greatest gift of all, more time to live on Earth during their lifespan.
Capitalists don’t give two sh_ts about any of that. That’s why the transition from communism to capitalism in Russia was accompanied by a collapse in life expectancy. It also killed 15 million people, about as much as the Leap did. But the Leap did it during a time of increasing life expectancy, and Russia’s death toll occurred during a time of collapsing life expectancy.
Industrial production exploded in China under Mao, growing 10% per year. Education expanded in a similar way. Mao seriously reduced wife-beating in China very simply. He told Chinese women in the rural areas to arm themselves with farm implements and use them to assault any husband who beats them. A Hell of a lot of violent husbands got beaten by spades and shovels, but in a short period of time, the wife-beating rate collapsed. He also seriously cut the opium addiction rate very quickly.
You can go here and see how life improved dramatically for almost all ethnic groups in China right after 1949. You can go down the line and read about how each group did better.
http://www.china.org.cn/e-groups/shaoshu/shao-2-tartar.htm
There are several villages in China that have set themselves up along Maoist lines and continued development and life as in the Mao Era. They’ve now become tourist attractions. They filled up very fast and they have huge waiting lines of people wanting to get in.
Mao put in a policy whereby each enterprise had to share whatever income it got with the workers. So the workers would all get checks for the entire gross income of the enterprise and then they would get 95% deducted to sink back into the enterprise. A while back, the 3rd largest TV factory in the world was a Chinese state enterprise run on those lines. It was competing with other Chinese firms and capitalist enterprises all over the world and beating almost all of them.
Even during the Cultural Revolution, the number of schools in China grew by 10% per year. When Deng came in, he closed a lot of these schools. He also closed a lot of medical clinics. Isn’t capitalism grand?
Capitalists don’t care if you live or die.
Capitalists don’t care how long you live.
Capitalists do not value education and cut funding for it every chance they get.
Capitalists also devalue health care and cut funding for it every chance they get.
Sure, the alternatives to capitalism haven’t worked out real well, but capitalist continues to kill.
Deng didn’t bring capitalism to China. That’s BS. Deng lived and died a communist. His goal was actually to make China “a rich communist country.” China is one of the most socialist countries on Earth at the moment. It’s market socialism, sure, but that’s not a bad thing. Every economic method needs markets. Getting rid of markets upsets everything and nothing makes sense anymore. Production and pricing are seriously hindered and distorted.
NB: I don’t doubt that Mao did a lot of stupid s_t, and that is actually the attitude of the CPC at the moment.
Personally I can say my early Silent Generation parents who grew up on farms starting in the Great Depression were very serious about food, eating and finishing your plate ("children are starving in India"), and also made comments/boasts to the effect we were "eating better than the poor folks" although that wasn't a nutritional thing per se.My current paradigmatic example is how Xi's education was brutally ended in middle school by the Cultural Revolution; lots of people say this is evident in limits of his vocabulary. More generally this successful bid by Mao to regain political power created a "Lost Generation" of relatively uneducated people. Mao was in that loss of power position because his previous Great Leap Backward resulted in a famine that killed anywhere from 15 to 55 million per Wikipedia, and obviously would have malnourished a lot of the survivors. Per Wikipedia per Ding the the Anti-Rightist Campaign, "in addition to some natural disasters and the Sino-Soviet split" were also at fault.Very very true. Deng effectively ended the regime where you stayed on the good side of your block or village committee to get your food ration coupons or you starved to death. The creation of a private market in food made that tool much less effective, and I'm sure it allowed people to supplement their food intake beyond what the Party thought was adequate, or could even supply with the best of intentions within the strictures of their ideology.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Robert Lindsay, @Robert Lindsay
Sure, but all or almost all agriculture in China is still run by collectives. The entire village itself is a collective. They’re growing food for themselves, so they’re motivated to work hard. And yes, they can sell the excess on the market I guess.
People in the rural areas didn’t work real hard during the Mao era. This has been a huge problem everywhere that agriculture was collectivized.
America by 1900 was already the most prosperous, best fed nation in the history of the planet. And starvation was basically gone from the entire West--excepting the war years and extreme individual circumstances. Westerners needed somewhat more and better (more protein, various vitamins/minerals) food, and when they got it after the War grew taller, stronger, smarter, etc. But Westerners were--in the majority--not generally malnourished in the 20th century.
Likewise, most Western societies had some sort of program of universal education by the early 20th century and had high (90%+) literacy among cohorts starting early in the 20th century. After the War this broadened and deepened to near universal literacy, most everyone completing secondary education and large numbers of college educated people.
In contrast, Asian still had numerous famines throughout the 20th century--natural and war and even politically induced. The typical Asian--including Chinese--was not really adequately through much of the 20th century. And literacy was rare among Asians at the beginning of the 20th century and not really universalized until after the War. And even then, the quality of education during various periods under Mao, less than ideal. But these post-Mao 1980s cohorts grew up in a very different China.
Actually, given the range of cohorts where, 1934--holy cow!--to 1984--practically night and day for China, I'm surprised the measured gain is only 3.5/decade.Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Robert Lindsay, @Godfree Roberts
Only true during the CR when a lot of kids were pulled out of junior and senior high in the cities and made to go out and work in the rural areas. I knew a Chinese guy who had that happen to him.
Generally not true though. Sure, as an economy grows, you can build nicer schools. The number of schools in China grew 10% per year under Mao! This held true during the Cultural Revolution. During the Cultural Revolution, the number of schools in China grew by 10% per year! And the CR placed a huge emphasis on building elementary and junior high schools in the rural areas. If you go out to the rural areas and ask about the CR, a lot of them have fond memories of it.
And life expectancy grew at record rates for every year of the CR.
When Deng came in, first thing he did was close lots of schools, especially junior highs in the rural areas. A lot of kids still have to ride buses quite some distance to get to school.
Not that weren’t serious abuses and crimes committed during the CR!
Just about every pension fund in America is stuffed full of the bonds that built these monstrosities.
Goodbye, water cooler; hello, pool: More Los Angeles offices are becoming apartments
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-09-14/landlords-convert-office-buildings-to-apartments-as-demand-shifts
I would bet the Flynn Effect is on the rise in China.😮Replies: @Bill Jones
You’re thinking of Errol not James.
Height data from Lancet:https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31859-6/fulltext
“…the largest gains in height over the past 3·5 decades were those in some emerging economies, including China (largest gain for boys and third largest for girls) and South Korea (third largest for boys and second largest for girls), and through parts of southeast Asia, the Middle East and north Africa, and Latin America and the Caribbean…”
Top pics are heights of 19 years old in 2019;bottom pics are height change of 19 years old from 1985 to 2019:
http://www.alanmacfarlane.com/savage/A-JAPFAM.PDFBut yeah, nothing groundbreaking here, the period from being Africa-tier shithole to Deng's reforms. The research was partly done at a Western institution (Univ Maryland) on a Western paradigm (IQ) on a thesis named after a Western scholar (Flynn).What is glaring is that there has never been in the history of TUR a Chinese or even NE Asian blogger. Also, there are a number of white female commenters on iSteve, but I don't think there has ever been an East Asian female commenter. If you are one, you should be welcome to jump out and call me an idiot.Otherwise what is good about all that awesome yellow IQ if you are too meek to speak out? A typical Han genius can't even do a proper girl pushup--https://twitter.com/chenqiushi404/status/1632657809358868480Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Anonymous, @Liger, @BB753, @Blinky Bill, @Reg Cæsar
“Why do top American schools like to recruit youths with excellent athletics?”
It’s a scam so they can enroll more minorities and make money out of the football program. In Europe, athletic skills do not get you far in the education system. Academic skills do.
It's a scam so they can enroll more minorities and make money out of the football program. In Europe, athletic skills do not get you far in the education system. Academic skills do.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Harvard loves white minor sport jocks because they tend to get rich on Wall Street and make big donations to their alma mater.
Are minor-jock graduates still the biggest earners? Not according to Social Network the movie.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Having had a large number of students from China, and Asia in general, my understanding is that whereas places like India – like in the West – have a smart fraction, and they can be very smart, with the Orientals, that is to say, the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans, one often finds very highly intelligent individuals, at least in mathematics, among the lower classes. They have strength in depth. I used to delight in informing white liberal cockroaches living in Islington (North London) that the children of Chinese “take away people”, where the parents could barely speak English, were more intelligent than the children of goody goody well educated parents (like them). But it was (and is) perfectly true.
Yeah.
And we won’t even mention the preponderance of plastic surgery.
I do not doubt that China the past few decades has dysgenic fertility. The smartest, most capable Han girls had gone to the cities and have not been popping out a whole lot of babies. (Actually, told not to under the one-child debacle which took the Chicoms way to long to lift.)
But China does not have the genocidal "must have immigration!!!" loons we have. Much less given them influence and control in their nation, like we have. So China is not waving in millions of mostly low-skill, low-IQ, low-conscientiousness foreigners .... right into the face of the coming automation/robotics shockwave.
And one-peopleish China (90% Han) can have intelligent debates about genetics and adopt explicitly eugenic policies. Which we--Nazis!!!--can not.
And then there is explicit genetic technology--selection and even CRSPR-Cas9. The Chinese will plow ahead and actually create more capable people. While we will still be handcuffed by Jewish psychodrama and ideology and worshipping blacks.
Obviously, things could go really tits up for the Chinese somewhere along the line. But really the future of the West does not look bright. Turns out, adopting the ideology of loons who hate you ... bad idea. "Suicide" is not a winning policy.Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Jack D
Assuming you are right (I don’t think that you are – it’s not the Joos when low fertility and immigration are features of many modern societies that have few if any Jews) then maybe a genocide that makes the highest IQ people in your society crazed with fear for their very lives was a really bad idea. So you should blame Hitler. And not so subtly hinting (see Oilcan Floyd’s response to your remarks) to those same people that we should really do something about it in a way that only makes them more fearful is perhaps an even worse idea.
Maybe I just misunderstood the point you were trying to make. Anyone who has seen a Chinese male gymnast, a Shaolin monk, or a PLA special forces video knows that Chinese men can be tough and athletic.
http://www.alanmacfarlane.com/savage/A-JAPFAM.PDFBut yeah, nothing groundbreaking here, the period from being Africa-tier shithole to Deng's reforms. The research was partly done at a Western institution (Univ Maryland) on a Western paradigm (IQ) on a thesis named after a Western scholar (Flynn).What is glaring is that there has never been in the history of TUR a Chinese or even NE Asian blogger. Also, there are a number of white female commenters on iSteve, but I don't think there has ever been an East Asian female commenter. If you are one, you should be welcome to jump out and call me an idiot.Otherwise what is good about all that awesome yellow IQ if you are too meek to speak out? A typical Han genius can't even do a proper girl pushup--https://twitter.com/chenqiushi404/status/1632657809358868480Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Anonymous, @Liger, @BB753, @Blinky Bill, @Reg Cæsar
Mishima was
--The most famous Japanese writer back then
--A homo
--A fanatical Japanese nationalist
--In 1970 he and his gang once broke into a japanese army base and held the commander hostage because he wanted to give a fanatical speech to the grunts there.
--He committed hara kiri at the end
https://youtu.be/ytA4_dI2mjcReplies: @Deep Thought
But it seems to have involved the Moonies. The Unification Church which many suspect ws a CIA project. Also known as the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification which was started by Reverend Sun Myung Moon and his wife Hak Ja Han. You know the Church promotes inter racial marriages and all that. Sounds very CIA and American deep stateish.
Anyways the mother of the guy who shot ex PM Abe was a hardcore Unification Church member. The Reverend Sun Myung Moon who founded the Unification Church, preached that he was a reincarnation of Jesus Christ and the new Messiah who has come to the World. Other Christian Churches (Catholics, protestants, Orthodox and even the Mormons) obviously do not recognise them as Christians because such a claim is considered heresy. So these Moonies establish the International federation for victory over Communism in Japan. Nobusuke Kishi, who was Shinzo Abe's grandfather was close to this Church when it came to Japan and this started a long relationship in between Japanese politicians and the Korean Church.
But the beliefs of this Church is quite interesting and basically reeks of Korean Nationalism (behind the anti-Communism and One Worldism). The Church believes that South Korea is an Adam nation and Japan is an Eve nation!! So according to them Eve (Japan) cheated on Adam (South Korea) and had an affair with Satan/ snake. And this caused the original sin and the fall of humanity. And that evil exists in this world because of this evil lineage and Japan is primarily responsible for the original sin. This Japan is Eve nation or Satan Nation. They consider Japan (Eve) as lower than South Korea (Adam). The head of Japan's Unification Church actually impersonate the Emperor of Japan and falls on his knees infront of Sun Myung Moon's family. If the Moonies would not have been anti-Communists and CIA, the Chinese on the mainland would have joined in large numbers only because Japan is considered a Satan Nation, numbers in China would have swelled. Too bad it is hardcore anti-Communist and has CIA links.
And because the Japanese Empire ruled Korea for 35 years, the Unification Church believes that it was Japan's duty to apologise forever and give financial assistance to South Korea (which is a very rich country today) forever.
Now, see the Japanese are unique in Asia or unique outside the West because they do tend to take guilt of the past, less than the West but definitely way more than the rest. The Chinese, the Hindus, The Muslims, the Jews.....don't expect that..perfect history, all of them. But the Japanese are different. And thus Japan is full of people who have guilt for Empire, like the British. Compare a Brit to a Turk on Empire. Brit-drown in guilt, Turk - proud. German drown in guilt because of fake Holohoax, Turk no guilty about Armenian genocide. Different national mentalities. And the Church took advantage of this Jap guilt. It was considered that for a Japanese Church member the greatest honour was to donate ALL of their belongings to the Church. And thus many guilt ridden Japanese became bankrupt donating to the Church. And many donated, indeed even though the Church is spread around the World with a big presence in the United States, Japan was the largest single economic contributor (70%) to the Church, thanks to all those guilt ridden Japs. The cult would also buy Goryo were and Korean Ginseng from Korea on the cheap and sell at a very high price in Japan, the business was a big success.
Many Japanese mainstream Conservative politicians have connections to this Korean Church!!!! Let me get this straight, Conservative Japanese politicians are close to a cult which believes Japan is an evil country!!!! Woaw.
So the guy who assassinated Shinzo Abe, Tetsuya Yamagami, his mom had donated everything to the Church and thus he loast his inheritance. And it seems that Abe had given speeches at some Unification Church events. And thus Tetsuya assassinated Mr Abe in revenge.
However what is so wierd about this story or explanation is that Tetsuya's mom lost her fortune to the Cult 20 years ago. So whay did he wait 20 years and that too use a home made gun to take revenge. Sounds a bit fishy...Replies: @Jaichind
But it won’t be a bust like 2008. Most properties in desirable locations can be converted into residential apartments. Instead of going to downtown to work, people can live in downtown and work.
Goodbye, water cooler; hello, pool: More Los Angeles offices are becoming apartments
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-09-14/landlords-convert-office-buildings-to-apartments-as-demand-shifts
I hear this trope a lot, but it’s actually interpreted wrong.
The first divide in China is between inland/rural vs coastal. Most of the Chinese major cities are along the eastern coast of China although there are several major inland cities (much like America’s most important cities are coastal NYC and LA, but inland Chicago, Houston, etc. are also prominent).
It’s true the second divide is North/South but it’s not like the American North/South where there are two distinct camps. There is a continuum where the northernmost parts of China have more northern barbarian blood (homelands of the Mongols, Manchus, etc.), the southernmost parts of China have more southern barbarian blood (more aborigine characteristics of the peoples of Laos, Cambodia, etc. ie “jungle asians”), with the central coastal parts of China having the smartest Chinese, presumably because they have the least “barbarian” blood. Shanghai is basically the center of China geographically. If you look at IQ test by province, the central provinces surrounding Shanghai have the highest IQs.
The Chinese people originated in the north, but found it easy to push into the south and conquer the aborigine inhabitants who lived in lush and rich environments. The further south you go, the more aborigine blood is admixed.
The Chinese people faced a different challenge from the North. It was harder to spread into the harsher and more sparse northern environment and it’s always been a challenge to defeat nomadic invaders. Beijing (In Chinese it literally translates as “Northern Capital”), was chosen as the Chinese capital to put the emperor close to the northern front line and the Great Wall (much like how the later Roman Emperors were constantly in the North or Near East warring against barbarians. Some Roman Emperors were born on the frontlines and died on the frontlines having never spent a day in Rome). With repeated invasions and contact, the more north you go in China the more northern barbarian admixture there is.
The stereotypes of the Northern Chinese are that they are like oafs: big, burly, friendly, like to drink, loyal, honest, but not the smartest. The stereotypes of the Southern Chinese are that they are smaller, clever, but deceitful. But, as I said, they’re not the smartest. Both the most commercially successful and the literati come from central China.
There might be some confusion because of the quirk of Hong Kong, which is a southern city. When the Nationalists lost the war and fled to Taiwan, many of the commercial and literati elite fled to HK, then a British colony. Much of the commercial success of HK owes to a huge number of elite Shanghai families fleeing to HK and bringing their connections, know-how, and capital.
Similarly, Taiwan, despite being off the southern coast of China, is not culturally southern. The modern Taiwanese population can mostly trace their roots to the Nationalist mass evacuation of the mainland, with Chinese peoples not from the south.
Have you ever heard of Yukio Mishima or the movie “Mishima: a Life in 4 Chapters”?
Mishima was
–The most famous Japanese writer back then
–A homo
–A fanatical Japanese nationalist
–In 1970 he and his gang once broke into a japanese army base and held the commander hostage because he wanted to give a fanatical speech to the grunts there.
–He committed hara kiri at the end
https://compote.slate.com/images/87681abe-f725-444b-aca1-470751e114ca.png
Not only are the South Koreans the tallest and the smartest of Asians, they are also the most alcoholic!Replies: @QCIC, @Renard, @Hypnotoad666, @Reg Cæsar
And their sleeping quarters are heated by carbon monoxide. How tough can you get?
I spent a night in a yogwan in Seoul. The man at the tourist office was embarrassed to be asked about it, but directed me anyway. The room only had half a window. For obvious reasons.
Ya gotta love the symbol:
As with the licensed-blowfish-cook signs– way more common in Seoul than in Tokyo, at least in 1985– you’re putting your life in these hands.
Top pics are heights of 19 years old in 2019;bottom pics are height change of 19 years old from 1985 to 2019:
https://www.thelancet.com/cms/attachment/46b6c1cd-9778-40bb-8142-be9b2f094d12/gr1.jpg
"...the largest gains in height over the past 3·5 decades were those in some emerging economies, including China (largest gain for boys and third largest for girls) and South Korea (third largest for boys and second largest for girls), and through parts of southeast Asia, the Middle East and north Africa, and Latin America and the Caribbean..."Replies: @Blinky Bill
China’s Zhang Zhilei set his sights on Ukraine’s heavyweight world champion Oleksandr Usyk after dealing Britain’s Joe Joyce a first professional defeat on Saturday. Referee Howard Foster stopped the fight in the sixth of 12 scheduled rounds at London’s Copper Box Arena after the ringside doctor had twice inspected Joyce’s puffed up right eye, which was almost closed.
http://www.alanmacfarlane.com/savage/A-JAPFAM.PDFBut yeah, nothing groundbreaking here, the period from being Africa-tier shithole to Deng's reforms. The research was partly done at a Western institution (Univ Maryland) on a Western paradigm (IQ) on a thesis named after a Western scholar (Flynn).What is glaring is that there has never been in the history of TUR a Chinese or even NE Asian blogger. Also, there are a number of white female commenters on iSteve, but I don't think there has ever been an East Asian female commenter. If you are one, you should be welcome to jump out and call me an idiot.Otherwise what is good about all that awesome yellow IQ if you are too meek to speak out? A typical Han genius can't even do a proper girl pushup--https://twitter.com/chenqiushi404/status/1632657809358868480Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @Anonymous, @Liger, @BB753, @Blinky Bill, @Reg Cæsar
But… but… I thought it was “sportsball”! The Empire being lost on the playing fields of Harrow.
Unz contributors are parochial in outlook and assume the whole world has the same interests, goals, expectations, understanding of history, purpose of government, societal roles and points of views as they do.
Not so.Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Reg Cæsar
Ron should sign Twinkie up.
No.Besides, he can't read Chinese or Japanese.Duh.
You should definitely write about the new Chinese Heavy Weight Boxing champion of the world Zhilei Zhang. Great HBD story, it’s right up your alley!
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/20/opinion/japan-abe-military.html
I'm only a Japan expert for a Chinese ethnic. The dynamics of Japan-Korea relations to me is pretty alien. People don't get that Orientals are also incrutable to each other.
What is happening with Kishida? Is Japan on the verge of another ににろくじけん?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous
The Japanese famously refuse to naturalize their ethnic Korean residents after generations in the country. But I only just learned that Korea– South Korea– will ban pop songs if they contain a single Japanese word.
Korean TV Network Bans Pop Song for Using Japanese
How a government initiative like that which spread K-pop around the world could ever be successful is a mystery– but I guess if you throw enough kimchi against the wall, some of it will stick. (I almost said ramen. Don’t want to be canceled in the ROK!)
That it would be Psy, and Tayo– created by Seoul’s municipal authorities to teach little kids how to ride the city bus, alone presumably– makes it all the more mysterious.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/italy-proposed-law-bans-english-words-violators-may-face-fines-up-to-110k/
A new law proposed in Italy would ban English — and violators could face fines of up to $110K. A right-wing Italian lawmaker wants to pass a law that will ban the use of English in official documents, prompting hefty fines for those who don't comply.There are Koreans in Japan who revere the North Korean leadership and have North Korean style schools. And Japan allows that and also gives them financial aid!!! WTF!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAdCvvYFS6A
Japan's North Korean schools and universityWould North Korea allow Japanese style schools where they revere the Emperor?Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Twinkie? AKA Manly McStudly, el mas macho del todo el mundo?
Hahahahahahaahahahahaah!
No.
Besides, he can’t read Chinese or Japanese.
Duh.
1. What's the average IQ in China today?
2. When China finally maximizes its per capita GDP, will this be accompanied by a notable rise in the average IQ? By how much?
3. Are there significant regional differences in IQ? For example, do the affluent Southeastern provinces have stronger cognitive ability than the inland provinces? Is there a major difference between the urban and rural areas?Replies: @Renard, @Prester John, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Vito Klein, @Godfree Roberts
Chinese government policy is consciously eugenic. The argument that carried the day on modifying the one-child policy back around 2000 was that the policy was lowering Chinese IQ. The policy wasn’t as strictly enforced in the rural areas because peasants needed more sons for labor, and since rural Chinese have lower IQs generally than urban Chinese, the effect was dysgenic. The new policy permitted urban dwellers more than one kid if they paid a hefty fee, the argument being that those who could afford the fee would tend to be smarter.
The Nazis are always demonized for their eugenic policies encouraging smarter Germans to have more kids. But compare the Nazi approach to that of the Bolsheviks, who targeted Christian “intelligents” for liquidation, frequently murdering them with their wives and children. That we never hear about the Bolsheviks’ intentionally dysgenic slaughter proves the world’s media is in the hands of the perpetrators.
For decades, now, the same world media have been lionizing the “successful” Western career woman who “bravely” chooses childlessness while relentlessly promoting our own dysgenic policies, like literally paying the poor to have more kids and allowing mass immigration from some of the lowest IQ countries on the planet, .
Mishima was
--The most famous Japanese writer back then
--A homo
--A fanatical Japanese nationalist
--In 1970 he and his gang once broke into a japanese army base and held the commander hostage because he wanted to give a fanatical speech to the grunts there.
--He committed hara kiri at the end
https://youtu.be/ytA4_dI2mjcReplies: @Deep Thought
The whole jap nation ought to have done that:
Instigation of Japan via Marco Polo bridge incident, the Oyama incident, Xian incident, Sanctions on Japan by Murica, what were results?
Winners: CPC, USA, Soviets.
Losers: KMT, European Empires in Asia.
Winner + Loser at same time - Korea (got independence but got divided)Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
That wasn't the grand plan but became a plan of necessity.
Japan mainly wanted Manchuria and bits of North China, but once KMT and CCP united in a national war against Japan, Japan felt it had it deal a death blow to all of China, and total war broke out between the two nations. And then, once US implemented oil-and-iron embargo, Japan was loathe to give up Chinese territories it conquered. It would seem like defeat. Their only chance was to grab the oil fields in Southeast Asia, which effectively meant Japan at war with all the West to control Asian resources. So, the Japanese plan to control all of Asia happened in steps but wasn't the grand plan from the start. There were always hothead elements that called for a wider war, but they were not the main reason why the war expanded all the way to Southeast Asia and then the Pacific.Replies: @Malla, @Deep Thought
What’s interesting is that South Korea was no. 2 in the world in alcohol consumption per capita in 1996 (Slovenia was no. 1), but fell to no. 38 by 2016 (Slovenia also fell to 11th).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita
Meanwhile Moldova almost doubled between those two years and became first while Lithuania almost tripled and became second. The shifts in consumption (up or down) are quite dramatic in several countries.
What rubbish, Stalin and your CPC and the USA wanted it that way. Stalin and CPC benefited the most from instigating the Japanese Empire.
Instigation of Japan via Marco Polo bridge incident, the Oyama incident, Xian incident, Sanctions on Japan by Murica, what were results?
Winners: CPC, USA, Soviets.
Losers: KMT, European Empires in Asia.
Winner + Loser at same time – Korea (got independence but got divided)
Korean TV Network Bans Pop Song for Using Japanese
How a government initiative like that which spread K-pop around the world could ever be successful is a mystery-- but I guess if you throw enough kimchi against the wall, some of it will stick. (I almost said ramen. Don't want to be canceled in the ROK!)
That it would be Psy, and Tayo-- created by Seoul's municipal authorities to teach little kids how to ride the city bus, alone presumably-- makes it all the more mysterious.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BM2Y0Y2YzYTgtNmRjZi00ZDlkLThjNjEtM2Y1NTgzOGExMjkwXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTUyNjc3NDQ4._V1_FMjpg_UX1000_.jpg
https://youtu.be/9bZkp7q19f0Replies: @Malla, @Anonymous
The British never ruled Italy but the new Italian Fascist 2.0 Government wants to penalise the English langauge.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/italy-proposed-law-bans-english-words-violators-may-face-fines-up-to-110k/
A new law proposed in Italy would ban English — and violators could face fines of up to $110K. A right-wing Italian lawmaker wants to pass a law that will ban the use of English in official documents, prompting hefty fines for those who don’t comply.
There are Koreans in Japan who revere the North Korean leadership and have North Korean style schools. And Japan allows that and also gives them financial aid!!! WTF!!
Japan’s North Korean schools and university
Would North Korea allow Japanese style schools where they revere the Emperor?
Mishima was triggered after Nixon established relations with PRC without giving notice to Japan ニクソン ショック Nikuson shokku “Nixon shock” (And when PRC threw its Russian grandfather under the bus).
That list also leaves out Zhang Zuolin, who was taken out by Kwantung Army ninja style in 1928 on suspicions of double-dealing with the Russians, just like he had done before:
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/张作霖
*Tanaka was later the Japanese PM in 1928 and argued for punishing the Kwantung Army officers responsible for Zhang’s assassination.
Mishima died in 1970. Nixon went to China in 72.Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Reg Cæsar
Is that still true? In the past when Wall Street favored WASP graduates(even over Jews with better grades), it was true enough they made lots of money and were generous in donations.
Are minor-jock graduates still the biggest earners? Not according to Social Network the movie.
Mishima was triggered after Nixon established relations with PRC without giving notice to Japan
Mishima died in 1970. Nixon went to China in 72.
https://www.nippon.com/en/ncommon/contents/japan-topics/291358/291358.jpg
Authors Mishima Yukio, Abe Kōbō, Ishikawa Jun, and Kawabata Yasunari come together to read a joint statement in Tokyo on February 28, 1967, protesting against the Cultural Revolution in China.
https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/b07212/
Militarist Japan set out to conquer and to enslave the entire Asia.
That wasn’t the grand plan but became a plan of necessity.
Japan mainly wanted Manchuria and bits of North China, but once KMT and CCP united in a national war against Japan, Japan felt it had it deal a death blow to all of China, and total war broke out between the two nations. And then, once US implemented oil-and-iron embargo, Japan was loathe to give up Chinese territories it conquered. It would seem like defeat. Their only chance was to grab the oil fields in Southeast Asia, which effectively meant Japan at war with all the West to control Asian resources. So, the Japanese plan to control all of Asia happened in steps but wasn’t the grand plan from the start. There were always hothead elements that called for a wider war, but they were not the main reason why the war expanded all the way to Southeast Asia and then the Pacific.
Japan agreed to vacate French Indo China but not Manchukuo because for Japan Manchukuo was an essential bulwark against the Soviets and Communism. Why do you think the Turks and Japan were collaborating in support of Bagmachi Revolution by native Central Asians against Soviet Rule. An Independent Central Asia as well as Manchuria would reduce the contact in between the USSR and China proper. What the Japanese realised was that when the Soviets makes some move into East Asia, like in Mongolia, the Muricans don't do much, but when Japan does something, the Muricans screech and scream and beat chest. That is it was stupid to depend on the USA to take on the spread of Communism and Japan had to do it herself.
The above argument mirrors your logic seamlessly!Replies: @Malla
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/20/opinion/japan-abe-military.html
I'm only a Japan expert for a Chinese ethnic. The dynamics of Japan-Korea relations to me is pretty alien. People don't get that Orientals are also incrutable to each other.
What is happening with Kishida? Is Japan on the verge of another ににろくじけん?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous
A closer equivalent would be the assassination of Korean Empress Min by Japanese agents in 1895. Empress Min had been in favor of opening up and modernizing Korea, but sought to steer a somewhat independent course that was seen as insufficiently subservient to the will of the dominant hegemon, Japan.
Korean TV Network Bans Pop Song for Using Japanese
How a government initiative like that which spread K-pop around the world could ever be successful is a mystery-- but I guess if you throw enough kimchi against the wall, some of it will stick. (I almost said ramen. Don't want to be canceled in the ROK!)
That it would be Psy, and Tayo-- created by Seoul's municipal authorities to teach little kids how to ride the city bus, alone presumably-- makes it all the more mysterious.
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BM2Y0Y2YzYTgtNmRjZi00ZDlkLThjNjEtM2Y1NTgzOGExMjkwXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTUyNjc3NDQ4._V1_FMjpg_UX1000_.jpg
https://youtu.be/9bZkp7q19f0Replies: @Malla, @Anonymous
Nonsense. The Japanese government WANTS to naturalize ethnic Koreans in the country to encourage full assimilation.
Many Korean residents in Japan became naturalized Japanese decades ago. Naturalized Koreans often make a point of adopting specific Japanese names reminiscent of their original Korean last name and this is tolerated. For example, a Korean surnamed Kim 金 might become Kaneda 金田. However, after one or two generations they inevitably feel and behave entirely Japanese and intermarry with Japanese.
Younger Koreans in Japan (under 50), even those who attended schools affiliated with North Korea, rarely speak and read Korean at a native Korean level. Many know virtually no Korean at all.
North Korean residents of Japan maintain strong ethnic networks that continue to dominate certain lucrative businesses (gambling, taxis, prostitution). However, once a member of a North Korean family renounces North Korean citizenship to become a naturalized Japanese citizen, the whole family risks ostracism and lossof all economic and social standing within the North Korean community.
1. What's the average IQ in China today?
2. When China finally maximizes its per capita GDP, will this be accompanied by a notable rise in the average IQ? By how much?
3. Are there significant regional differences in IQ? For example, do the affluent Southeastern provinces have stronger cognitive ability than the inland provinces? Is there a major difference between the urban and rural areas?Replies: @Renard, @Prester John, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Vito Klein, @Godfree Roberts
1. Average Chinese IQ amongst Unz contributors is 105, based on 2019 data.
2. Median guess as to final Chinese IQ amongst Unz contributors is 108, based on the above factors.
3. Based on PISA scores and other indicators, there is remarkably little difference in IQ amongst Han Chinese, when adjusted for the factors Steve Sailer discusses.
Central government jobs in China require applicants with IQs around 140 these days. Two Provincial Governors were astrophysicists who also ran China’s space program and designed its rockets.
As President Trump said in 2015, “People say you don’t like China. No, I love them. But their leaders are much smarter than our leaders. And we can’t sustain ourselves like that. It’s like playing the New England Patriots and Tom Brady against your high school football team.”
America by 1900 was already the most prosperous, best fed nation in the history of the planet. And starvation was basically gone from the entire West--excepting the war years and extreme individual circumstances. Westerners needed somewhat more and better (more protein, various vitamins/minerals) food, and when they got it after the War grew taller, stronger, smarter, etc. But Westerners were--in the majority--not generally malnourished in the 20th century.
Likewise, most Western societies had some sort of program of universal education by the early 20th century and had high (90%+) literacy among cohorts starting early in the 20th century. After the War this broadened and deepened to near universal literacy, most everyone completing secondary education and large numbers of college educated people.
In contrast, Asian still had numerous famines throughout the 20th century--natural and war and even politically induced. The typical Asian--including Chinese--was not really adequately through much of the 20th century. And literacy was rare among Asians at the beginning of the 20th century and not really universalized until after the War. And even then, the quality of education during various periods under Mao, less than ideal. But these post-Mao 1980s cohorts grew up in a very different China.
Actually, given the range of cohorts where, 1934--holy cow!--to 1984--practically night and day for China, I'm surprised the measured gain is only 3.5/decade.Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Robert Lindsay, @Godfree Roberts
That’s an old Bad China meme, repeated so often by our media that it has become Gospel Truth. Like most of our truths, however, it’s another lie.
China’s takeoff under Mao, 1951-1975, sustained much faster economic growth than any national economy in history, including Britain’s, Germany’s, America’s and Japan’s.
In that decade, Mao doubled life expectancy and caloric intake, launched ocean-going liners, made hundreds of locomotives, put satellites in space, invented the atomic and hydrogen bomb…at a pace which, pari passu, it sustains today.
Education took off like a rocket, obviously.
Read The Unknown Revolution: Life and Change in a Chinese Village. Donping Han
Gao Village: A Portrait of Rural Life in Modern China. Mobo Gao
Are minor-jock graduates still the biggest earners? Not according to Social Network the movie.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Harvard et al have the data that answers your questions, but they keep it locked up.
https://www.si.com/college/2021/05/18/stanford-reverses-decision-eliminate-11-varsity-sportsReplies: @Twinkie
That wasn't the grand plan but became a plan of necessity.
Japan mainly wanted Manchuria and bits of North China, but once KMT and CCP united in a national war against Japan, Japan felt it had it deal a death blow to all of China, and total war broke out between the two nations. And then, once US implemented oil-and-iron embargo, Japan was loathe to give up Chinese territories it conquered. It would seem like defeat. Their only chance was to grab the oil fields in Southeast Asia, which effectively meant Japan at war with all the West to control Asian resources. So, the Japanese plan to control all of Asia happened in steps but wasn't the grand plan from the start. There were always hothead elements that called for a wider war, but they were not the main reason why the war expanded all the way to Southeast Asia and then the Pacific.Replies: @Malla, @Deep Thought
The United States asked Japan to give up French IndoChina as well as Manchukuo. Now the Japanese had moved into French indo China with the permission of Vichy France, which was the official Government of France. The Japanese moved in to cut out supplies to the KMT it was forced to fight in China.
Japan agreed to vacate French Indo China but not Manchukuo because for Japan Manchukuo was an essential bulwark against the Soviets and Communism. Why do you think the Turks and Japan were collaborating in support of Bagmachi Revolution by native Central Asians against Soviet Rule. An Independent Central Asia as well as Manchuria would reduce the contact in between the USSR and China proper. What the Japanese realised was that when the Soviets makes some move into East Asia, like in Mongolia, the Muricans don’t do much, but when Japan does something, the Muricans screech and scream and beat chest. That is it was stupid to depend on the USA to take on the spread of Communism and Japan had to do it herself.
Japan’s conquest of Korea was driven by a rising fear of of rising Russian influence in Korea and East Asia in general. This was also the case in Manchuria, the Russians had a railway system built before the Japanese. Indeed even the Qing was alarmed about the Russian Empire, basically an Empire of Europeans so close in territory, they Qing allowed the Han to settle in Manchuria. Earlier they did not allow the Han to migrate to their homeland because of the huge Han population which would flood up the place. But fears of the Russian Empire means the Qing wanted a large Chinese population to resist the Russians if they did move into Manchuria.
The early right-wing Japanese societies like the Black Dragon society were not driven by anti-Sinosim, anti-Koreanism or anti-Westism but by anti-Russianism. They saw increasing Russian influence as a threat to Japan and they were dead sure that Korea would fall under Russian influence and thus become a threat to Japan, as a launchpad against Japanese home islands.
Korean Empress Myeongseong’s pro Russia stand made the threat more and more a reality.
Mishima died in 1970. Nixon went to China in 72.Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Reg Cæsar
You are correct. Yamaguchi Otoya was triggered in 1960 by Asanuma’s rapproachment to PRC, when both US and Japan still recognized ROC as China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Inejirō_Asanuma
Mishima gave a positive assessment of Yamaguchi’s action. And in his father’s memoir of him–
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/三島事件#昭和45年
https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/b07212/
Instigation of Japan via Marco Polo bridge incident, the Oyama incident, Xian incident, Sanctions on Japan by Murica, what were results?
Winners: CPC, USA, Soviets.
Losers: KMT, European Empires in Asia.
Winner + Loser at same time - Korea (got independence but got divided)Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
Deng Xiaoping bowing to Nisshōki in 1978. Notice that only he bowed, not Fukuda
Deng with Hirohito, all smiles then
Do you think Deng mentioned a single word about “Japanese invasion of China” “Nanjing Massacre”?
No. Sino-Soviet Split was still on-going, with PRC almost having gotten nuked by the Russians. Deng was showing up in Japan hat-in-hand for economic support.
The Shinzo Abe assassination case was very interesting. There were conspiracy theroies in India that the Chinese killed him. I doubt its true but Indians tend to blame everything on China (if not the West or Muslims). but the mainland Chinese sure were celebrating while on the the other hand Indian PM Modi was in greif (you could see it plainly on his face in videos just after the assassination).
But it seems to have involved the Moonies. The Unification Church which many suspect ws a CIA project. Also known as the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification which was started by Reverend Sun Myung Moon and his wife Hak Ja Han. You know the Church promotes inter racial marriages and all that. Sounds very CIA and American deep stateish.
Anyways the mother of the guy who shot ex PM Abe was a hardcore Unification Church member. The Reverend Sun Myung Moon who founded the Unification Church, preached that he was a reincarnation of Jesus Christ and the new Messiah who has come to the World. Other Christian Churches (Catholics, protestants, Orthodox and even the Mormons) obviously do not recognise them as Christians because such a claim is considered heresy. So these Moonies establish the International federation for victory over Communism in Japan. Nobusuke Kishi, who was Shinzo Abe’s grandfather was close to this Church when it came to Japan and this started a long relationship in between Japanese politicians and the Korean Church.
But the beliefs of this Church is quite interesting and basically reeks of Korean Nationalism (behind the anti-Communism and One Worldism). The Church believes that South Korea is an Adam nation and Japan is an Eve nation!! So according to them Eve (Japan) cheated on Adam (South Korea) and had an affair with Satan/ snake. And this caused the original sin and the fall of humanity. And that evil exists in this world because of this evil lineage and Japan is primarily responsible for the original sin. This Japan is Eve nation or Satan Nation. They consider Japan (Eve) as lower than South Korea (Adam). The head of Japan’s Unification Church actually impersonate the Emperor of Japan and falls on his knees infront of Sun Myung Moon’s family. If the Moonies would not have been anti-Communists and CIA, the Chinese on the mainland would have joined in large numbers only because Japan is considered a Satan Nation, numbers in China would have swelled. Too bad it is hardcore anti-Communist and has CIA links.
And because the Japanese Empire ruled Korea for 35 years, the Unification Church believes that it was Japan’s duty to apologise forever and give financial assistance to South Korea (which is a very rich country today) forever.
Now, see the Japanese are unique in Asia or unique outside the West because they do tend to take guilt of the past, less than the West but definitely way more than the rest. The Chinese, the Hindus, The Muslims, the Jews…..don’t expect that..perfect history, all of them. But the Japanese are different. And thus Japan is full of people who have guilt for Empire, like the British. Compare a Brit to a Turk on Empire. Brit-drown in guilt, Turk – proud. German drown in guilt because of fake Holohoax, Turk no guilty about Armenian genocide. Different national mentalities. And the Church took advantage of this Jap guilt. It was considered that for a Japanese Church member the greatest honour was to donate ALL of their belongings to the Church. And thus many guilt ridden Japanese became bankrupt donating to the Church. And many donated, indeed even though the Church is spread around the World with a big presence in the United States, Japan was the largest single economic contributor (70%) to the Church, thanks to all those guilt ridden Japs. The cult would also buy Goryo were and Korean Ginseng from Korea on the cheap and sell at a very high price in Japan, the business was a big success.
Many Japanese mainstream Conservative politicians have connections to this Korean Church!!!! Let me get this straight, Conservative Japanese politicians are close to a cult which believes Japan is an evil country!!!! Woaw.
So the guy who assassinated Shinzo Abe, Tetsuya Yamagami, his mom had donated everything to the Church and thus he loast his inheritance. And it seems that Abe had given speeches at some Unification Church events. And thus Tetsuya assassinated Mr Abe in revenge.
However what is so wierd about this story or explanation is that Tetsuya’s mom lost her fortune to the Cult 20 years ago. So whay did he wait 20 years and that too use a home made gun to take revenge. Sounds a bit fishy…
Stanford has been trying to eliminate some of those minor sports. Perhaps that provides a clue?
https://www.si.com/college/2021/05/18/stanford-reverses-decision-eliminate-11-varsity-sports
Tennis is the big loser.Replies: @res
Did the japs learn that dirty trick from the CIA or the other way round? In any case, with the rise of The South and the decline of The North, all that will be corrected in due time!
But it seems to have involved the Moonies. The Unification Church which many suspect ws a CIA project. Also known as the Family Federation for World Peace and Unification which was started by Reverend Sun Myung Moon and his wife Hak Ja Han. You know the Church promotes inter racial marriages and all that. Sounds very CIA and American deep stateish.
Anyways the mother of the guy who shot ex PM Abe was a hardcore Unification Church member. The Reverend Sun Myung Moon who founded the Unification Church, preached that he was a reincarnation of Jesus Christ and the new Messiah who has come to the World. Other Christian Churches (Catholics, protestants, Orthodox and even the Mormons) obviously do not recognise them as Christians because such a claim is considered heresy. So these Moonies establish the International federation for victory over Communism in Japan. Nobusuke Kishi, who was Shinzo Abe's grandfather was close to this Church when it came to Japan and this started a long relationship in between Japanese politicians and the Korean Church.
But the beliefs of this Church is quite interesting and basically reeks of Korean Nationalism (behind the anti-Communism and One Worldism). The Church believes that South Korea is an Adam nation and Japan is an Eve nation!! So according to them Eve (Japan) cheated on Adam (South Korea) and had an affair with Satan/ snake. And this caused the original sin and the fall of humanity. And that evil exists in this world because of this evil lineage and Japan is primarily responsible for the original sin. This Japan is Eve nation or Satan Nation. They consider Japan (Eve) as lower than South Korea (Adam). The head of Japan's Unification Church actually impersonate the Emperor of Japan and falls on his knees infront of Sun Myung Moon's family. If the Moonies would not have been anti-Communists and CIA, the Chinese on the mainland would have joined in large numbers only because Japan is considered a Satan Nation, numbers in China would have swelled. Too bad it is hardcore anti-Communist and has CIA links.
And because the Japanese Empire ruled Korea for 35 years, the Unification Church believes that it was Japan's duty to apologise forever and give financial assistance to South Korea (which is a very rich country today) forever.
Now, see the Japanese are unique in Asia or unique outside the West because they do tend to take guilt of the past, less than the West but definitely way more than the rest. The Chinese, the Hindus, The Muslims, the Jews.....don't expect that..perfect history, all of them. But the Japanese are different. And thus Japan is full of people who have guilt for Empire, like the British. Compare a Brit to a Turk on Empire. Brit-drown in guilt, Turk - proud. German drown in guilt because of fake Holohoax, Turk no guilty about Armenian genocide. Different national mentalities. And the Church took advantage of this Jap guilt. It was considered that for a Japanese Church member the greatest honour was to donate ALL of their belongings to the Church. And thus many guilt ridden Japanese became bankrupt donating to the Church. And many donated, indeed even though the Church is spread around the World with a big presence in the United States, Japan was the largest single economic contributor (70%) to the Church, thanks to all those guilt ridden Japs. The cult would also buy Goryo were and Korean Ginseng from Korea on the cheap and sell at a very high price in Japan, the business was a big success.
Many Japanese mainstream Conservative politicians have connections to this Korean Church!!!! Let me get this straight, Conservative Japanese politicians are close to a cult which believes Japan is an evil country!!!! Woaw.
So the guy who assassinated Shinzo Abe, Tetsuya Yamagami, his mom had donated everything to the Church and thus he loast his inheritance. And it seems that Abe had given speeches at some Unification Church events. And thus Tetsuya assassinated Mr Abe in revenge.
However what is so wierd about this story or explanation is that Tetsuya's mom lost her fortune to the Cult 20 years ago. So whay did he wait 20 years and that too use a home made gun to take revenge. Sounds a bit fishy...Replies: @Jaichind
No. The guy who shot Abe was anti-Unification Church
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/italy-proposed-law-bans-english-words-violators-may-face-fines-up-to-110k/
A new law proposed in Italy would ban English — and violators could face fines of up to $110K. A right-wing Italian lawmaker wants to pass a law that will ban the use of English in official documents, prompting hefty fines for those who don't comply.There are Koreans in Japan who revere the North Korean leadership and have North Korean style schools. And Japan allows that and also gives them financial aid!!! WTF!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAdCvvYFS6A
Japan's North Korean schools and universityWould North Korea allow Japanese style schools where they revere the Emperor?Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Italy or Korea– which peninsula is more drenched in garlic?
Mishima died in 1970. Nixon went to China in 72.Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Reg Cæsar
Mishima’s finale was a lot more operatic than Nixon’s tourist jaunt!
Japan has had two millenia of history during which to develop and refine the darker political arts. If anything, the Japanese in 1895 could have taught the CIA’s predecessors a few tricks.
While openly pro-American, Prime Minister Abe had advocated (and practiced) steering a moderately independent course. The assassination seems decidedly fishy: in broad daylight, with the too-convenient appearance and arrest on the scene of a plausible patsy who checks too many trope boxes (ex-military, gun enthusiast, home-made gun).
A Japanese tabloid reported that the bullet that actually killed Abe (out of two that hit him) had unfortunately disappeared in the course of the autopsy.
On the contrary, he brushed off even the half-hearted apology the Japanese offered, apologizing imself for his people having had saddled Japan with Confucianism and kanji.
Japanese "apologies" are never sincere. Every time some Japanese issues an apology, more rightwing politicians there would "un-apologise" by worshipping in the war-criminal shrine or spit out denials of proven japanese atrocities.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
The CIA didn’t exist in 1895. Elements of the CSA still did.
That wasn't the grand plan but became a plan of necessity.
Japan mainly wanted Manchuria and bits of North China, but once KMT and CCP united in a national war against Japan, Japan felt it had it deal a death blow to all of China, and total war broke out between the two nations. And then, once US implemented oil-and-iron embargo, Japan was loathe to give up Chinese territories it conquered. It would seem like defeat. Their only chance was to grab the oil fields in Southeast Asia, which effectively meant Japan at war with all the West to control Asian resources. So, the Japanese plan to control all of Asia happened in steps but wasn't the grand plan from the start. There were always hothead elements that called for a wider war, but they were not the main reason why the war expanded all the way to Southeast Asia and then the Pacific.Replies: @Malla, @Deep Thought
Pure sophistry! A “grand plan” necessarily starts from a small beginning. A beginning demonstrates the presence of intent. And intent is like what the physicists called an “intensive quantity,” which stays the same regardless of how big or small the action is.
China mainly wanted a peaceful co-existance with Japan for the past thousands of years but once a japanol-murrika axis exists, it feels that the eradication of the evil Yamato race and the abolition of the criminal japanese state– an objective which I have been advocating– becomes a “necessity”!!! That is in addition to the Retaliation in Kind that China is entitled to after the atrocious aggressions that japan had done to China. A “death blow to all of japan” must be carried out in due course.
The above argument mirrors your logic seamlessly!
Sino Soviet split, China get closer (more closer, even more closer, closer still...smooches) with America and go against the nation that created the PRC, the USSR. But that is OK.Replies: @Deep Thought, @Lin, @Deep Thought
S_A_R_C_A_S_M, sarcasm!!!
What is CSA?
So, you understand a bit of sarcasm too!
Japanese “apologies” are never sincere. Every time some Japanese issues an apology, more rightwing politicians there would “un-apologise” by worshipping in the war-criminal shrine or spit out denials of proven japanese atrocities.
Americans are pushy, but generally straightforward. The closest we come to politely rude is when you hear "Well, bless your heart" down South.Replies: @Malla
Japanese "apologies" are never sincere. Every time some Japanese issues an apology, more rightwing politicians there would "un-apologise" by worshipping in the war-criminal shrine or spit out denials of proven japanese atrocities.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
The Japanese, the Germans, and the British compete for the title of most rudely polite, or most politely rude, people on the planet.
Americans are pushy, but generally straightforward. The closest we come to politely rude is when you hear “Well, bless your heart” down South.
Thanks, but I have zero interest in having a corner here. If anything, I’m trying to reduce my commenting – and listen to my wife who tells me to stop arguing with morons on the internet and spend that time productively instead in the real world.
https://www.si.com/college/2021/05/18/stanford-reverses-decision-eliminate-11-varsity-sportsReplies: @Twinkie
https://images.saymedia-content.com/.image/cs_srgb/MTc4ODg1NTI2MzkxMTA1MDMx/division-i-sports-eliminated-.pdf
Tennis is the big loser.
Do you have any thoughts on why tennis has been hit so hard?
Some discussion here.
https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/as-schools-ponder-cutting-sports-tennis-proves-vulnerable
One tidbit. I guess this is what equality looks like.
"The NCAA allows schools to offer up to 4½ scholarships in men’s tennis and eight in women’s tennis."
Here is a podcast for those who like that format. I prefer text.
https://www.wearecollegetennis.com/2021/01/26/revisiting-why-college-tennis-programs-are-being-eliminated/Replies: @Twinkie
Tennis is the big loser.Replies: @res
Thanks for the data. It seems odd to me that tennis would be cut the most. Facilities seem less expensive than many other sports and since tennis is popular recreationally can easily be dual use.
Do you have any thoughts on why tennis has been hit so hard?
Some discussion here.
https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/as-schools-ponder-cutting-sports-tennis-proves-vulnerable
One tidbit. I guess this is what equality looks like.
“The NCAA allows schools to offer up to 4½ scholarships in men’s tennis and eight in women’s tennis.”
Here is a podcast for those who like that format. I prefer text.
https://www.wearecollegetennis.com/2021/01/26/revisiting-why-college-tennis-programs-are-being-eliminated/
I have a relative whose parents spent a fortune having him trained in Florida at a famous tennis academy. He was pretty good (top 5 in the country) until he kept injuring his arm, had multiple surgeries, and eventually had to quit tennis - but not before he was recruited to play for an Ivy.
He is a venture capitalist today and is very, very rich. I'm pretty sure he donates big bucks to his alma mater.
I do think college tennis programs are deceptively expensive to run. Don't know why though.
The CPC were the biggest beneficiaries of the Japanese-KMT Chinese war after all.
Americans are pushy, but generally straightforward. The closest we come to politely rude is when you hear "Well, bless your heart" down South.Replies: @Malla
While other populations are openly and shamelessly rude.
Muricans might be straightforward but most Third world populations are the opposite of straight forward. Some of the most cunning, shrewd people you wil l ever meet are in the rural areas of the Third World. The average Brit or Japanese or German or American is a child compared to those folks. LOL.
The above argument mirrors your logic seamlessly!Replies: @Malla
China had a Middle Kingdom, superiority complex mentality looking at foreigners as either barbarians or tributary states. What pissed the Chinese off about the Japanese was that the Japanese not only stopped being a tributary state for a long time but had the gall to call their own sovereign an “Emperor.” Chinese superiority complex arrogance could nver digest it. All those cries about and chest beating about “sea pirates” and “militarist” stems from this deep emotion. China still calls itself the Middle Kingdom now. I guess the only mistake the arrogant Chinese made was try to act all “Middle kingdomy” with the Indians next door who are the daddies of China in Middle Kingdom mentality, who actually look dowm upon the Chinese as “filthy barbarians who eat disgusting things”. From then on China is permanently stuck with a gigantic population to it’s west who wish revenge and its destruction. Booo Hoo.
That Vietnamese guy was right, some of you Chinese do have genocidal tendencies. That is why Japan needs nukes. India should learn more about Chinese nature from Vietnamese brothers.
During WW2, it was Murica-Sino Axis against Japan. But that is OK
Sino Soviet split, China get closer (more closer, even more closer, closer still…smooches) with America and go against the nation that created the PRC, the USSR. But that is OK.
Relax!! You're too uptight !!https://youtu.be/aJxd83V-XWY
Sino Soviet split, China get closer (more closer, even more closer, closer still...smooches) with America and go against the nation that created the PRC, the USSR. But that is OK.Replies: @Deep Thought, @Lin, @Deep Thought
That gave rise to their “Forward Policy” and resulted in “1962.”
Sino Soviet split, China get closer (more closer, even more closer, closer still...smooches) with America and go against the nation that created the PRC, the USSR. But that is OK.Replies: @Deep Thought, @Lin, @Deep Thought
Mallaji bhai;
Relax!! You’re too uptight !!
Nyet Nyet!! It was Chinese arrogance which elicited the Indian response. After having a China loving PM like Nehru. Never in India’s future will China ever get a more pro China leader than him and YET you guys screwed up with him. Yall, got no hope.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Nehrus-stubbornness-led-to-1962-war-with-China/articleshow/7125862.cms#ixzz18VgLUHko
Nehru tried to show the world how to put China in it place and FAILED!!!
Do you have any thoughts on why tennis has been hit so hard?
Some discussion here.
https://www.tennis.com/news/articles/as-schools-ponder-cutting-sports-tennis-proves-vulnerable
One tidbit. I guess this is what equality looks like.
"The NCAA allows schools to offer up to 4½ scholarships in men’s tennis and eight in women’s tennis."
Here is a podcast for those who like that format. I prefer text.
https://www.wearecollegetennis.com/2021/01/26/revisiting-why-college-tennis-programs-are-being-eliminated/Replies: @Twinkie
No clue.
I have a relative whose parents spent a fortune having him trained in Florida at a famous tennis academy. He was pretty good (top 5 in the country) until he kept injuring his arm, had multiple surgeries, and eventually had to quit tennis – but not before he was recruited to play for an Ivy.
He is a venture capitalist today and is very, very rich. I’m pretty sure he donates big bucks to his alma mater.
I do think college tennis programs are deceptively expensive to run. Don’t know why though.
Sino Soviet split, China get closer (more closer, even more closer, closer still...smooches) with America and go against the nation that created the PRC, the USSR. But that is OK.Replies: @Deep Thought, @Lin, @Deep Thought
“That Vietnamese guy was right,” when they slayed even the last child of some of the minorities they conquered.
Your “Vietnamese brothers” must be very grateful to their “Indian brothers” when the latter merely stood and watched when they were Mylai-ed and agent-oranged by the murrikans. Very clever “nature” of their “Indian brothers”, I must say, they now reap the crops that the Chinese and Russians had sowed!!!
murrikans have been the biggest protectors and enablers of the japs’ aggressions against China from the days of Commodere Mathew Perry– except during WWII when the japs were stupid enough to bite the hands that fed them. After WWII, the japanol-murrikan axis was restored.
USSR did inspire and give some assistance but its attempted control of the CCP almost got the China Red Army annihilated– only to be saved by Mao’s Long March. So, thanks but no thanks.
Mallie is just delusional as Nehru was:
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Nehrus-stubbornness-led-to-1962-war-with-China/articleshow/7125862.cms#ixzz18VgLUHko
Nehru tried to show the world how to put China in it place and FAILED!!!