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This is pretty woozy stuff, but from Raw Story, we learn the shocking truth: Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh had a high school buddy in the 1980s named Mark Judge who in 2014 didn’t wholly believe every detail in Sabrina Rubin Erdely’s Rolling Stone story “A Rape on Campus.”

… In one piece he wrote for GotNews, [Mark] Judge attacked a woman who claimed she was gang-raped for three hours. The piece has since been removed, but not before some were able to take screen captures.

“There is a key part of the Rolling Stone piece that I have questions about… Jackie was a new student when she went to a fraternity party at Phi Kappa Psi. Her date, Drew, gave her spiked punch to drink and then brought he [sic] upstairs. He led her into a darkened room. Jackie ‘began to scream,’ but it was too late,” he wrote, screen captures claim.

Of course, unmentioned is that the woman named “Jackie” who claimed to be gangraped for 3 hours on broken glass was UVA coed Jackie Coakley and her gangrape organizer “Drew” was the legendary Haven Monahan.

By the way, Mark Judge’s grandfather Joe Judge played first base in the 1924 and 1925 World Series for the Washington Senators led by Walter Johnson. The Judge family has long argued for the primacy of batting average and defense over home runs, going back to Joe’s 1959 article for Sports Illustrated entitled “Verdict Against the Hall of Fame.”

The latest sabermetric statistics, however, cast the singles and doubles hitting Judge in a pretty good light, with 47 career Wins Above Replacement, not quite Hall of Fame numbers but highly respectable: the 35th best first baseman of all time.

Granted, Joe Judge’s stats probably don’t have much to do with whether Brett Kavanaugh should be on the Supreme Court, but it doesn’t seem all that much more irrelevant and certainly better documented than what everybody else is obsessing over.

 
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  1. Chortle all you like. Most people still know that Haven Monahan is guilty.

    And thanks to white-male privilege, he’s still free. Somewhere.

    • LOL: Trevor H., TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @El Dato

    He’s still free. Somewhere.
     
    It's totally "Bob" from Twin Peaks.

    The owls are not what they seem.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCf-oiIbVnw
    , @Reg Cæsar
    And you're still anonymous.
    , @Ace
    He's still free because of climate change. Get real.
    , @anon
    If Haven is so privileged, why does he need to rape women? Wouldn't he have women throwing themselves at him? One might argue that his privilege makes him think he can get away with rape -- but again, why would he need to rape a woman in the first place?
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Why so modest, Tiny Duck? This is one of your better lampoons of SJWs' and PoCs' "thought" processes.
  2. “Gang rape is bliss, when ’tis folly to be chaste.”

  3. • Replies: @El Dato
    Raw Story: "Internet researchers claim Kavanaugh buddy Mark Judge has troubling history of posting photos of young girls"

    Yeah? Posting "young girls" (definitely sexually mature) is now "troubling"? God, I DOWNLOAD pictures of "young girls" from commercial websites.

    "Internet researchers" and "Reporters" who write that stuff should have their sexual organs removed to prove they are 100% pure and victorian-level of non-lewd. Whiter than white, so to say.

    , @Anonymous
    Who won the case?
    , @Trevor H.
    Who is this Allison Reynolds? I looked her up and now I'm seeing a lot of ads for dandruff shampoo.
  4. Kavanaugh is lucky that this Mark Judge guy, the only other witness to whatever happened at that high school party, is a conservative. Anything else, and Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination would be toast. In fact his whole career would be toast.

    • Replies: @Lot
    The other two boys alleged to have been at the house have not responded to reporters.

    I don't remember very basic details of parties I was drunk at 15 years ago much less 35.
    , @Travis
    I suspect Christine Blasey Ford selected Mark Judge to be the "witness" because he is a known conservative writer. Thus he will be attacked for his past writings and his defense of Kavanaugh will be suspect. She probably went through a Georgetown Prep yearbook and spotted the photo of Kavanaugh with Judge, then quickly discovered that Judge was a conservative writer who had chronicled his recovery from alcoholism in “Wasted: Tales of a Gen-X Drunk,” which described his own blackout drinking and a culture of partying among students at his high school....

    Ford said she does not remember how the gathering came together the night of the incident...She also doesn’t recall who owned the house or how she got there....not did she inform any of her friends about the incident...nor does she recall the other 2 boys at the house. She isn’t sure how she got home....Hard to believe she "recalls" Judge and Kvanaugh but not the boy who invited her to his home...more difficult to believe a 15 year-old girl went to this party alone, without any girlfriend. Doubt she ever attended a party alone as a teen.
  5. @Dave Pinsen
    Related, this is crazy if true.

    https://twitter.com/chim0m/status/1041531249016406016?s=21

    Raw Story: “Internet researchers claim Kavanaugh buddy Mark Judge has troubling history of posting photos of young girls”

    Yeah? Posting “young girls” (definitely sexually mature) is now “troubling”? God, I DOWNLOAD pictures of “young girls” from commercial websites.

    “Internet researchers” and “Reporters” who write that stuff should have their sexual organs removed to prove they are 100% pure and victorian-level of non-lewd. Whiter than white, so to say.

  6. @International Jew
    Kavanaugh is lucky that this Mark Judge guy, the only other witness to whatever happened at that high school party, is a conservative. Anything else, and Kavanaugh's Supreme Court nomination would be toast. In fact his whole career would be toast.

    The other two boys alleged to have been at the house have not responded to reporters.

    I don’t remember very basic details of parties I was drunk at 15 years ago much less 35.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    If you can remember your late teens, you weren't really there
  7. I knew I had seen a movie with Bill Pullman about this exact same story, prospective appointee to a federal judgeship turns out to be a rapist, late one night on cable. Turns out I was right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guilty_(2000_film)

    American liberals think purely in tropes.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    Thomas,

    I can top that:

    Judge nominated for the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia commits murder (of a female file clerk) in order to hide his past collaboration (with a future U.S Supreme Court justice!) on a case they fixed for political purposes.

    Truth is uncovered by gutsy public defender and her boyfriend/juror just in time to unmask the guilty judge on the bench in the courtroom!

    Cher, Dennis Quaid, Liam Neeson, John Mahoney, etc. (No Bill Pullman, but it does have Joe Mantegna, so close enough . . .)

    1987's "Suspect"

    https://youtu.be/HE86y72xsr4
    , @J.Ross
    I love that you can still be accused of insufficient revolutionary consciousness (a stone's throw from being objectively pro-Fascist) on debunked phantoms. The important thing isn't whether or not the story is true, the important thing is that you reacted properly or not. The difference between this and Stalinism is our national weight problem.
    , @Anthony Wayne
    The most pernicious trope at play here is that of the Irish as drunken boors. The responses on twitter to the testimony of Kav’s high school girlfriends — both named Maura — was either disbelief that they could share the same name or assertion that Irish family dynamics, wife-beating, repression etc. explain these women’s self-hatred/“lying”
  8. This is pretty woozy stuff

    Steve:

    What do you mean by “woozy stuff”?

  9. @Dave Pinsen
    Related, this is crazy if true.

    https://twitter.com/chim0m/status/1041531249016406016?s=21

    Who won the case?

  10. Dear Mr. Zucker,

    I am 38 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Haven Monahan. Obama says, “If you see it on CNN, it’s so.” Please tell the truth, is there a Haven Monahan?

    Virginia Cavalier

    Virginia Cavalier, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia Cavalier, whether they be men’s or children’s, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

    Yes, Virginia Cavalier, there is a Haven Monahan. He exists as certainly as Hillary’s innocence of mishandling classified information and Trump’s guilt of collusion with Russia exist, and you know that they are true and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! How dreary would be the world if there were no Haven Monahan. It would be as dreary as if there were no Virginia Cavaliers. There would be no childlike faith in the mainstream media then. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which CNN and MSNBC and The New York Times and The Atlantic and, yes, Rolling Stone, fills the world would be extinguished.

    Not believe in Haven Monahan! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get Obama to station FBI agents to watch in all the fraternities on Rugby Road to catch Haven Monahan, but even if they did not see Haven Monahan chugging a beer or raping a coed, what would that prove? Nobody sees Haven Monahan, but that is no sign that there is no Haven Monahan. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that’s no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.

    You may tear apart the baby’s rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Virginia Cavalier, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

    No Haven Monahan! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia Cavalier, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of gullible goyim.

    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Pardon my Scroogy debunkery, but the wording of little Virginia Hanlon in writing "Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus" has always struck me as fishy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes%2C_Virginia%2C_there_is_a_Santa_Claus

    Would an eight-year-old refer to her same-age friends as "little"? I think not. This sounds like wording attributed to a witness by an adult fiction-writing reporter.
    , @Redman
    The name Zucker got me thinking about the coorelation of that surname and big media.

    Zucker (CNN)
    Zuckerberg (Facebook)
    Zuckerman (Daily News).

    I wonder whether their is a genetic connection to media/news, and if it can be traced back to a particular state (region) of Germany where these three men likely share some genetic material?
  11. @anonymous
    Chortle all you like. Most people still know that Haven Monahan is guilty.

    And thanks to white-male privilege, he's still free. Somewhere.

    He’s still free. Somewhere.

    It’s totally “Bob” from Twin Peaks.

    The owls are not what they seem.

  12. @anonymous
    Chortle all you like. Most people still know that Haven Monahan is guilty.

    And thanks to white-male privilege, he's still free. Somewhere.

    And you’re still anonymous.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    337, that is.
  13. Now she fears retaliation. Because Brett Kavanaugh is exactly the type who’d have her rubbed out.

    • LOL: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @El Dato
    Mental illness.

    "Why suffer through the annihilation if it's not going to matter," she said. "Now I feel like my civic responsibility is outweighing my anguish and terror about retaliation."
     
    Cosplay as a jewish marxist freedom fighter in Berlin, 1941.
    , @Olorin
    Well, his mom DID foreclose on her parents when they piked on their mortgage back in the '90s.

    https://twitter.com/Larry_Beech/status/1041519668966645761

    http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/casesearch/inquiryDetail.jis?caseId=156006V&loc=68&detailLoc=MCCI

    If Ford's dad was an attorney, and she was putting herself at age 15 in bedrooms with sons of judges who were aspiring to be lawyers themselves, there's sure fit at the psycho logical level.

    FWIW:

    http://www.bookwormroom.com/2018/09/16/accusation-kavanaugh-plan-2012/

    Apparently Bookworm, an ex-Dem who is north of SF, lost her Twitter account over the above.
    , @Olorin
    Ford's dad:

    https://imgoat.com/uploads/2217062e9a/148016.png

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralph-blasey-5a84515

    For a good time, connect Baker & Hostetler to Fusion GPS.

    Now he's with Allied Capital. Which I thought had gone teats up then was bought by Ares, but apparently not.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/billionaire-democratic-donor-targets-business-blogger-tim-cavanaugh/

    https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/03/26/allied-capital-5-years-after-its-downfall.aspx
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    Becky can dish it out but she can't take it?

    Typical.
  14. They both still have penises?

    https://twitter.com/FrameGames/status/1040857069149138944

    2016 — US accepts more refugees from DRC than Syria amid warnings over militants

    America admitted 16,370 people fleeing conflict in the Democratic Republic of Congo in the year to September compared with 12,587 Syriens

    • Replies: @BB753
    Wait till they come to the West and meet real life "penis snatchers" : the hordes of howling mad castrating feminists.
    , @bomag

    America admitted ______ people...
     
    The bad guys in various computer games are the ones who open portals to other worlds and let orcs invade.
    , @Ace
    We can never have too many Congolese.
  15. @Rob McX
    Now she fears retaliation. Because Brett Kavanaugh is exactly the type who'd have her rubbed out.

    Mental illness.

    “Why suffer through the annihilation if it’s not going to matter,” she said. “Now I feel like my civic responsibility is outweighing my anguish and terror about retaliation.”

    Cosplay as a jewish marxist freedom fighter in Berlin, 1941.

    • LOL: AndrewR
  16. There was a good piece at City Journal fixating on the NY Times’ report of Brett Monahan’s “penchant for coaching girls’ basketball.” Been chuckling at that one ever since– “penchant” can be shoehorned into almost any situation, it’s like highbrow meme’ing. Nicole Eramo has a penchant for collecting defamation awards!

  17. [Joe Judge] is the 35th best first baseman of all time.

    To compare across positions, I switched to RF and looked to see who was 35 there. And of course it was

    [MORE]
    Rusty Staub

  18. Mark Judge? I thought it was Mike Judge! Now I’m going to have to re-think my opinion of this whole matter.

    • LOL: jim jones
  19. “Granted, Joe Judge’s stats probably don’t have much to do with whether Brett Kavanaugh should be on the Supreme Court, but it doesn’t seem all that much more irrelevant and certainly better documented than what everybody else is obsessing over.”

    Oh, how nice & tender, really. But, Steve, please, couldn’t you please elaborate a little bit over just how much “don’t have much to do” is, and – if possible, too, how much this little (or some such, anyway) “much” then is and/or, what it may contain, or how it is built/ what it consists of?

    I’m curious!!

    Howdy!!

  20. @Achilles

    Dear Mr. Zucker,

    I am 38 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Haven Monahan. Obama says, "If you see it on CNN, it's so." Please tell the truth, is there a Haven Monahan?

    Virginia Cavalier
     

    Virginia Cavalier, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia Cavalier, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

    Yes, Virginia Cavalier, there is a Haven Monahan. He exists as certainly as Hillary's innocence of mishandling classified information and Trump's guilt of collusion with Russia exist, and you know that they are true and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! How dreary would be the world if there were no Haven Monahan. It would be as dreary as if there were no Virginia Cavaliers. There would be no childlike faith in the mainstream media then. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which CNN and MSNBC and The New York Times and The Atlantic and, yes, Rolling Stone, fills the world would be extinguished.

    Not believe in Haven Monahan! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get Obama to station FBI agents to watch in all the fraternities on Rugby Road to catch Haven Monahan, but even if they did not see Haven Monahan chugging a beer or raping a coed, what would that prove? Nobody sees Haven Monahan, but that is no sign that there is no Haven Monahan. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.

    You may tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Virginia Cavalier, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

    No Haven Monahan! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia Cavalier, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of gullible goyim.
     

    Pardon my Scroogy debunkery, but the wording of little Virginia Hanlon in writing “Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus” has always struck me as fishy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes%2C_Virginia%2C_there_is_a_Santa_Claus

    Would an eight-year-old refer to her same-age friends as “little”? I think not. This sounds like wording attributed to a witness by an adult fiction-writing reporter.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    MOMMY, MARK SPAHN SAYS THERE AIN'T NO SANTA CLAUS, THE SUMBITCH!
  21. I don’t even care if he did what this female is accusing him of. It allegedly happened 35 years ago, and he’s been a federal judge for 12 years. Why wait until now? Suck it up, hon. Sad her parents never taught her not to party alone with four boys and lots of booze.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    I believe it's nothing but a big lie, and I think that, if his nomination is derailed by it, he ought to sue her for slander.
    , @27 year old
    My main objection to Kavanaugh was he looks too much like a gay-faced fucking nerd to be trusted

    So if he actually got drunk with a girl in high school and tried to smash, that makes me like him more
    , @Redman
    And in the early 1980s, pre-AIDs. Which was probably the most debaucherous era in US history. Seriously.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Andrew, I thought that libs were all for giving teenagers a second chance. Remember the push for "Ban the Box" as in eliminate the "Have you ever been arrested" box on employment forms.
  22. @Rob McX
    Now she fears retaliation. Because Brett Kavanaugh is exactly the type who'd have her rubbed out.

    Well, his mom DID foreclose on her parents when they piked on their mortgage back in the ’90s.

    http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/casesearch/inquiryDetail.jis?caseId=156006V&loc=68&detailLoc=MCCI

    If Ford’s dad was an attorney, and she was putting herself at age 15 in bedrooms with sons of judges who were aspiring to be lawyers themselves, there’s sure fit at the psycho logical level.

    FWIW:

    http://www.bookwormroom.com/2018/09/16/accusation-kavanaugh-plan-2012/

    Apparently Bookworm, an ex-Dem who is north of SF, lost her Twitter account over the above.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    Who knows, Brett Kavanaugh's grandchildren may be fighting her grandchildren over this fifty years from now. It could play out like a more upmarket version of the Hatfields and McCoys.
  23. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    Pardon my Scroogy debunkery, but the wording of little Virginia Hanlon in writing "Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus" has always struck me as fishy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes%2C_Virginia%2C_there_is_a_Santa_Claus

    Would an eight-year-old refer to her same-age friends as "little"? I think not. This sounds like wording attributed to a witness by an adult fiction-writing reporter.

    MOMMY, MARK SPAHN SAYS THERE AIN’T NO SANTA CLAUS, THE SUMBITCH!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Santa Claus = Fake News

    (You've gotta grow up sometime.)
  24. BTW, Trump might have avoided this problem if he had simply chosen the chick. #MeToo is probably why the Dems have mostly offered up female appointees the past couple of decades, and it would have been interesting to see what might have been unearthed about Merrick Garland, as if the Rinos could find the stones to do a little digging on him, much less the Wise Latinx and the Gartenzwerg, both of whom they actually rubber-stamped in.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "BTW, Trump might have avoided this problem if he had simply chosen the chick."

    Hells nah. She's a virtue-signaler fashionably kitted out with the requisite adopted Shithole-Americans. Utterly compromised. She'd be another Roberts craving accolades from the Jew York Times and Washington Compost and she'd give white men the middle finger with every decision.

    Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh is married to a cute younger woman who keeps herself in shape (a healthy sign of respect for her man) and two daughters who look like him. Too bad he doesn't have a son, but you can't always get....
  25. @Rob McX
    Now she fears retaliation. Because Brett Kavanaugh is exactly the type who'd have her rubbed out.

    Ford’s dad:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralph-blasey-5a84515

    For a good time, connect Baker & Hostetler to Fusion GPS.

    Now he’s with Allied Capital. Which I thought had gone teats up then was bought by Ares, but apparently not.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/billionaire-democratic-donor-targets-business-blogger-tim-cavanaugh/

    https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/03/26/allied-capital-5-years-after-its-downfall.aspx

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    Ford’s dad:
     
    There's a lot of stuff on this resume to go broke enough to default on a mortgage.
    , @Lot
    Baker is a giant law firm with hundreds of lawyers and a million clients.
  26. This is a situation where Sen Feinstein’s incompetence is going to end up helping the Democrats and hurting us.

    The unfortunate situation is that these accusations don’t really register much in terms of crime but for this situation are unfortunately credible at the moment. And what I really fear is that in the next week or so they are going to get more credible.

    Because we’re with Trump, and Trump got caught on tape and all the rest of it. Because there’s Weinstein and the rest of #metoo. Because there is a midterm election coming up shortly, that’s being polarized on sexual lines, where the Republicans are vulnerable to college degree women voting against us, even if it’s not prosecutable as a crime, the Republicans aren’t in a position to try to sweep this under the rug.

    I want to hope that this woman made the whole thing up Dan-Rather-style, but she didn’t, for a couple of reasons. She not only named Kavanaugh, but also Mark Judge as well, ie another witness who is a position to deny this (and has). And the fact that she was willing to let the nomination go forward until she was indirectly outed by Feinstein. So the Dan Rather thing is not very likely.

    This doesn’t mean that Kavanaugh can’t be confirmed (though if we could execute better our best move might be to withdraw the nomination). It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    The problem for Kavanaugh is that he is being defensive and trying to prove his innocence in ways that make it look like he's guilty. Who tracks down 65 old acquaintances and asks them to sign a letter that says "I wasn't rapey!" Makes him look very weak.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: "Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don't remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. "

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders. Kavanaugh is falling into the Democratic trap of trying to spin everything, he is coming across as another coddled elite who never suffers consequences for anything and never takes responsibility.

    , @TTSSYF
    No way should we withdraw the nomination over something so silly as this. I don't think it's true, but even if it were -- so what? If any woman tells you she never once felt threatened with being molested when she was young or had some incident occur of a sexual nature that was not of her liking, she's either lying or grew up in a cloister. It's called "life".
    , @Anonymous

    with credible answers
     
    To what?

    at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape
     
    "Let the witch show that she didn't make the peasant sick."

    This is a construct top to bottom. Weaponizing rumors of transgressions against unwritten edicts of the nonsex league (while everybody wears a pussy hat and lets the labia hang out) has been the modus operandi for some time now.

    If you play along, you lose.

    In a more diverse and less neurotic society, it would really be easier. "Attempted rape? GTFO, bitch. Come back when you bleedin'"
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    Teenage male makes awkward attempt to get a piece of cherry pie 35 years ago, film at 11.

    Seriously?

    If this is going to be the standard, we may as well ban hetero males right now. And stop wondering why wypipo aren't marrying or having kids.
    , @Space Ghost
    > It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape.

    How could you possibly prove that something *didn't* happen 35 years ago? She doesn't even have the year or whose house it was. Are you able to account for your whereabouts on August 13 1982?
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape."

    Wrong. Firm, consistent denials beat any accusation of attempted rape from 35 years ago. No matter how florid the accuser's phantasies, just reply with a simple No, that never happened. Statutes of limitations exist because reasons.

    And it certainly happened. Future Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh, then a teenaged minor, got liquored up and made aggressive advances on the accuser. For whatever reason, future Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh gave up on attempted fondling in the first degree and the accuser left the home.

    So what?

    BTW, I'm adding Kavanaugh to my web browser dictionary. Dude gonna be around awhile now, legislating from the bench and defending the interests of white men for a generation or two.
    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Lord have mercy we may have just reached peak cuck concern troll stupid with this comment. Paging Mr. Hanson for straight thinking.
  27. @AndrewR
    I don't even care if he did what this female is accusing him of. It allegedly happened 35 years ago, and he's been a federal judge for 12 years. Why wait until now? Suck it up, hon. Sad her parents never taught her not to party alone with four boys and lots of booze.

    I believe it’s nothing but a big lie, and I think that, if his nomination is derailed by it, he ought to sue her for slander.

  28. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:

    Like the “federal” elections held every November in even-numbered years and the 5-4 decrees of the Court, aren’t these nailbiting confirmation hearings part of the show that keeps people gulled into accepting that so many things in life are to be run by people in Washington?

    I’m still inclined to the notion that the Constitution was intended, at least by some of its authors and supporters, to create a limited national government. But even by the time of Marbury, those entrusted with those powers have arrogated the authority to define them. In my lifetime, the Court exists to deal with hot potato social issues in lieu of the invertebrate Congress, to forebear (along with the invertebrate Congress) the warmongering and other “foreign policy” waged under auspices of the President, and to dignify the Establishment’s shepherding and fleecing of the people.

    Why should a robed, unelected politician be redefining marriage? Entrusted to enforce the Constitutional limitations on the others? Sure, questions like these are posed from time to time in a dissenting Justice’s opinion, but that ends the discussion other than in the context of replacing old Justice X with middle-aged Justice Y.

    So before investing much in the critical importance of a Justice Kavanaugh, think back on Justice Roberts and his vote to sustain the Affordable Care Act. Or reflect on how the Court has declined to vindicate free speech when presented with challenges to the Patriot Act, etc.

    Some of the comments here are really sharp, though.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    So before investing much in the critical importance of a Justice Kavanaugh, think back on Justice Roberts and his vote to sustain the Affordable Care Act. Or reflect on how the Court has declined to vindicate free speech when presented with challenges to the Patriot Act, etc.
     
    That is all true. And I was not wild about Kavanaugh as an SC nominee, simply for the fact that he was a Bush administration flunky. I don't trust him. I don't trust people like him.

    But if he isn't appointed, nobody might be. There is a slight chance that the Democrats could gain control of the Senate, in which case, Trump would get no more appointees through, in this his - very possibly - only term in office.

    As bad as I suspect Kavanaugh might be, any democratic appointee would be far worse.

    I'm really pissed off that the Trump administration has devolved into this: you gotta stick with him, bad as he is, because he's our guy. But all we end up doing is supporting our guy, while he doesn't do much of anything that he actually ran on. Trump could have had better judgement in campaign managers than Manafort and better judgement in hookers than Stormy Daniels. But, that's what we get for electing a casino owner and reality TV star.
    , @Redman
    Totally agree. This is generally a show for the bases prior to the midterms. Intended to get voters juiced and mad.

    There will be more such instances in the coming weeks.
  29. @Boethiuss
    This is a situation where Sen Feinstein's incompetence is going to end up helping the Democrats and hurting us.

    The unfortunate situation is that these accusations don't really register much in terms of crime but for this situation are unfortunately credible at the moment. And what I really fear is that in the next week or so they are going to get more credible.

    Because we're with Trump, and Trump got caught on tape and all the rest of it. Because there's Weinstein and the rest of #metoo. Because there is a midterm election coming up shortly, that's being polarized on sexual lines, where the Republicans are vulnerable to college degree women voting against us, even if it's not prosecutable as a crime, the Republicans aren't in a position to try to sweep this under the rug.

    I want to hope that this woman made the whole thing up Dan-Rather-style, but she didn't, for a couple of reasons. She not only named Kavanaugh, but also Mark Judge as well, ie another witness who is a position to deny this (and has). And the fact that she was willing to let the nomination go forward until she was indirectly outed by Feinstein. So the Dan Rather thing is not very likely.

    This doesn't mean that Kavanaugh can't be confirmed (though if we could execute better our best move might be to withdraw the nomination). It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape.

    The problem for Kavanaugh is that he is being defensive and trying to prove his innocence in ways that make it look like he’s guilty. Who tracks down 65 old acquaintances and asks them to sign a letter that says “I wasn’t rapey!” Makes him look very weak.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: “Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don’t remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. ”

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders. Kavanaugh is falling into the Democratic trap of trying to spin everything, he is coming across as another coddled elite who never suffers consequences for anything and never takes responsibility.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: “Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don’t remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. ”

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?


    Um, treat it as a confession to sexual assault, as would a number of Republicans, and that would be the end of his nomination.

    Steve, Joe Judge was always considered good. Bill James ranked him #44 among first baseman in his big Abstract from 2003. But who ranked ahead of him? Mostly first basemen who hit lots of home runs, starting with Lou Gehrig. Singles are good, doubles are very good, triples are wonderful, home runs are best of all. This isn’t complicated.
    , @Boethiuss

    The problem for Kavanaugh is that he is being defensive and trying to prove his innocence in ways that make it look like he’s guilty. Who tracks down 65 old acquaintances and asks them to sign a letter that says “I wasn’t rapey!” Makes him look very weak.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: “Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don’t remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. ”

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders. Kavanaugh is falling into the Democratic trap of trying to spin everything, he is coming across as another coddled elite who never suffers consequences for anything and never takes responsibility.
     
    Yeah, I agree with this for the most part. Though I don't think he could have given the statement you make on his behalf. It's not clear that he knew until yesterday who was accusing him, and what he was being accused of. The same with the letter from 65 women. If they don't know what they're trying to rebut, all they can do is come up with a general character reference.

    I read somewhere, maybe iSteve, talking about the Mizzou BLM football protests as being the product of a perfect storm, regarding the team's record, the coach, etc. I think we're looking at a similar situation here, regarding the timing of Sen Feinstein's disclosures, and the rest of it.

    In general, the idea behind most of the other comments here seems to be about how to deflect or minimize the impact of these accusations based on the assumption that they are more or less true, like your statement for example. Most of the time that would be right, but because of the timing now we have to fight the accusation on the merits. And if we can't win, at least to the extent of disproving "attempted rape", we might have to find a new nominee.
    , @bomag

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders.
     
    No. They're looking for supermen.
    , @Anonymous
    What you wrote is a confession.

    He should say one sentence.

    "I did not do that."

    Done. End of.
    , @Anonymous

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: “Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don’t remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. ”

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?
     
    Exactly. This is the best response EVEN IF Kavanaugh is 100% innocent in the matter.

    The alternative would be to remove ALL DOUBT. That is simply impossible.

    Kavanaugh's bumbling response indicates a serious lack of street smarts.

    As part of the PIVOT TO THE MIDDLE CLASS, Trump should find a solid nominee from a state college background who was not anointed at the age of 16 or 18.
    , @Anthony Wayne
    Most people are misinformed about this: the women wrote and signed that letter of their own volition. It was not a project of Grassley’s or Kavanaugh’s
  30. @Dave Pinsen
    Related, this is crazy if true.

    https://twitter.com/chim0m/status/1041531249016406016?s=21

    Who is this Allison Reynolds? I looked her up and now I’m seeing a lot of ads for dandruff shampoo.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Allison Reynolds is the character with a wicked case of dandruff portayed by Ally Sheedy in The Breakfast Club,

    But maybe you knew that and I'm just running the joke by over-explaining it. (It's a fault of my character; it wouldn't be the first time I've done so.)

  31. @Boethiuss
    This is a situation where Sen Feinstein's incompetence is going to end up helping the Democrats and hurting us.

    The unfortunate situation is that these accusations don't really register much in terms of crime but for this situation are unfortunately credible at the moment. And what I really fear is that in the next week or so they are going to get more credible.

    Because we're with Trump, and Trump got caught on tape and all the rest of it. Because there's Weinstein and the rest of #metoo. Because there is a midterm election coming up shortly, that's being polarized on sexual lines, where the Republicans are vulnerable to college degree women voting against us, even if it's not prosecutable as a crime, the Republicans aren't in a position to try to sweep this under the rug.

    I want to hope that this woman made the whole thing up Dan-Rather-style, but she didn't, for a couple of reasons. She not only named Kavanaugh, but also Mark Judge as well, ie another witness who is a position to deny this (and has). And the fact that she was willing to let the nomination go forward until she was indirectly outed by Feinstein. So the Dan Rather thing is not very likely.

    This doesn't mean that Kavanaugh can't be confirmed (though if we could execute better our best move might be to withdraw the nomination). It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape.

    No way should we withdraw the nomination over something so silly as this. I don’t think it’s true, but even if it were — so what? If any woman tells you she never once felt threatened with being molested when she was young or had some incident occur of a sexual nature that was not of her liking, she’s either lying or grew up in a cloister. It’s called “life”.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    No way should we withdraw the nomination over something so silly as this. I don’t think it’s true, but even if it were — so what? If any woman tells you she never once felt threatened with being molested when she was young or had some incident occur of a sexual nature that was not of her liking, she’s either lying or grew up in a cloister. It’s called “life”.
     
    I hope not, but we can't leave the accusations as they stand. We have to be able to take the sting out of the "attempted rape". We also need the chance to get some political upside if we can beat the accusation.
    , @Elli
    So no consequences for the molester or assailant because that's life?

    Most women have been threatened, groped, harassed, propositioned, or suffered something sexual not to their liking. That doesn't mean that most men behave that way. Better to pick judges from the ones who don't.

    Which is not saying that the accusation here is true or credible.
  32. Anonymous[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @Boethiuss
    This is a situation where Sen Feinstein's incompetence is going to end up helping the Democrats and hurting us.

    The unfortunate situation is that these accusations don't really register much in terms of crime but for this situation are unfortunately credible at the moment. And what I really fear is that in the next week or so they are going to get more credible.

    Because we're with Trump, and Trump got caught on tape and all the rest of it. Because there's Weinstein and the rest of #metoo. Because there is a midterm election coming up shortly, that's being polarized on sexual lines, where the Republicans are vulnerable to college degree women voting against us, even if it's not prosecutable as a crime, the Republicans aren't in a position to try to sweep this under the rug.

    I want to hope that this woman made the whole thing up Dan-Rather-style, but she didn't, for a couple of reasons. She not only named Kavanaugh, but also Mark Judge as well, ie another witness who is a position to deny this (and has). And the fact that she was willing to let the nomination go forward until she was indirectly outed by Feinstein. So the Dan Rather thing is not very likely.

    This doesn't mean that Kavanaugh can't be confirmed (though if we could execute better our best move might be to withdraw the nomination). It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape.

    with credible answers

    To what?

    at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape

    “Let the witch show that she didn’t make the peasant sick.”

    This is a construct top to bottom. Weaponizing rumors of transgressions against unwritten edicts of the nonsex league (while everybody wears a pussy hat and lets the labia hang out) has been the modus operandi for some time now.

    If you play along, you lose.

    In a more diverse and less neurotic society, it would really be easier. “Attempted rape? GTFO, bitch. Come back when you bleedin’”

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    To what?
     
    To the allegations against him, now that there are actual allegations, with names and locations attached to them.

    What is Kavanaugh's knowledge of Christine Blasey? Does he ever recall meeting her, or knowing of her? Does he ever remember being at a house party with her? Etc, etc. Same with Mark Judge, same with the other people who are supposedly known by name.

    We know enough now, not to know for sure about Blasey's accusations, but at least to be able to find out if the foundation for them can be substantiated or not.
  33. @Lot
    The other two boys alleged to have been at the house have not responded to reporters.

    I don't remember very basic details of parties I was drunk at 15 years ago much less 35.

    If you can remember your late teens, you weren’t really there

    • Replies: @Lot
    High school boys were not regularly getting drunk where I grew up. Most never did, and those that did it was something a 1 to 5 times a year. There were 0 serious problem drinkers in my public HS and 0 Spicoli type daily potheads. First year of college was when I first encountered this.

    Other than me, none of my friends tokes until they were 17.
  34. @eah
    They both still have penises?

    https://twitter.com/FrameGames/status/1040857069149138944

    2016 -- US accepts more refugees from DRC than Syria amid warnings over militants

    America admitted 16,370 people fleeing conflict in the Democratic Republic of Congo in the year to September compared with 12,587 Syriens

    Wait till they come to the West and meet real life “penis snatchers” : the hordes of howling mad castrating feminists.

  35. @Peter Akuleyev
    The problem for Kavanaugh is that he is being defensive and trying to prove his innocence in ways that make it look like he's guilty. Who tracks down 65 old acquaintances and asks them to sign a letter that says "I wasn't rapey!" Makes him look very weak.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: "Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don't remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. "

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders. Kavanaugh is falling into the Democratic trap of trying to spin everything, he is coming across as another coddled elite who never suffers consequences for anything and never takes responsibility.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: “Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don’t remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. ”

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Um, treat it as a confession to sexual assault, as would a number of Republicans, and that would be the end of his nomination.

    Steve, Joe Judge was always considered good. Bill James ranked him #44 among first baseman in his big Abstract from 2003. But who ranked ahead of him? Mostly first basemen who hit lots of home runs, starting with Lou Gehrig. Singles are good, doubles are very good, triples are wonderful, home runs are best of all. This isn’t complicated.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Joe Judge was pretty similar to Mark Grace of the Cubs in the 1980s-1990s who was a slick fielder and hit a lot of singles and doubles.

    Judge started out in the dead ball era in 1915 when first base (like third base) was more of a defensive position due to all the bunting. The big hitting infielders like Rogers Hornsby, Nap Lajoie and Honus Wagner, played second base or shortstop, while the lithe fielders played first and third.

    The Washington ballpark was really bad for power hitters, so Judge was a good player for the big ballpark, even though he never hit more than ten homers in a season. (In contrast, Grace was a poor fit in little Wrigley Field where you really ought to have a first baseman who can hit 30 homers per season.) He only hit 14 homers at home in his long career, but 57 on the road. The sophisticated newer statistics that adjust for park effects show he was an above average hitter from 1917 - 1930, 14 seasons in a row, which is very good.

    So Judge is a player who looked good under the old statistics, not so hot under the early sabermetric statistics, but pretty decent under the latest statistics.

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Um, treat it as a confession to sexual assault, as would a number of Republicans, and that would be the end of his nomination.

    It wouldn't be a confession. It is fairly well established that Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker in high school. If he doesn't remember, he doesn't remember. He can even afford to act empathetic in this particular case. The accuser also knows he was drunk.
  36. @Keypusher
    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: “Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don’t remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. ”

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?


    Um, treat it as a confession to sexual assault, as would a number of Republicans, and that would be the end of his nomination.

    Steve, Joe Judge was always considered good. Bill James ranked him #44 among first baseman in his big Abstract from 2003. But who ranked ahead of him? Mostly first basemen who hit lots of home runs, starting with Lou Gehrig. Singles are good, doubles are very good, triples are wonderful, home runs are best of all. This isn’t complicated.

    Joe Judge was pretty similar to Mark Grace of the Cubs in the 1980s-1990s who was a slick fielder and hit a lot of singles and doubles.

    Judge started out in the dead ball era in 1915 when first base (like third base) was more of a defensive position due to all the bunting. The big hitting infielders like Rogers Hornsby, Nap Lajoie and Honus Wagner, played second base or shortstop, while the lithe fielders played first and third.

    The Washington ballpark was really bad for power hitters, so Judge was a good player for the big ballpark, even though he never hit more than ten homers in a season. (In contrast, Grace was a poor fit in little Wrigley Field where you really ought to have a first baseman who can hit 30 homers per season.) He only hit 14 homers at home in his long career, but 57 on the road. The sophisticated newer statistics that adjust for park effects show he was an above average hitter from 1917 – 1930, 14 seasons in a row, which is very good.

    So Judge is a player who looked good under the old statistics, not so hot under the early sabermetric statistics, but pretty decent under the latest statistics.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    I don’t know when, if ever, sabermetricians ignored park effects. James talks about them incessantly in his books. Your link in your earlier post puts Judge at #44, not #35 — exactly where James had him 15 years ago. James also considered the run-scoring context, so he wouldn’t penalize Judge for starting his career in the deadball era. Indeed, James ranked Honus Wagner’s 1908 season as the greatest of all time, ahead of any of Babe Ruth’s seasons, precisely because of the run-scoring context and park effects.

    It’s a shame Bill James decided to turn a blind eye to steroids, HGH and the rest, but in general he’s one of the good guys. He’s a Noticer. In the 2003 abstract he mocked Title IX (we’re pretending that girls are as interested in sports as boys) and praised Jackie Robinson for supporting Nixon in 1960 and Goldwater in 1964. Of course he wouldn’t dare write anything like that today.
    , @anonymous
    And of no value in today's game of Ba$hball.
  37. Anon[346] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Martine Rothblatt, founder of Sirius satellite radio, on a TED talk interview. Very weird, obviously set up with him to focus on his male-to-female transition, but he acts a bit like he’s surprised by the questions. He married a Nigerian woman, who looks like a Planet of the Apes extra, who he, uh, she is still with (and he made a robot, BinaDJ, to duplicate her). All around, a very creepy affect. She makes almost no effort to present as a female.

    He’s working on genetically modifying pigs so that their lungs can be used in human transplants. He also wants to download his brain into a hard disk so he can be reborn inside a conscious computer.

    His wife and her robot. In the second clip, the robot starts to drool and squint her eyes like she’s about the turn Chucky and kill her human counterpart.

    My sense is that these TED things are pay to play, a marketing thing.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    Horrifying; chilling. Lovecraftian, even.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    Regarding Martine Rothblatt and Bina 48: Incredibly trite. There is no original thought in his interview, and his robot's performance is disappointing.
  38. @Peter Akuleyev
    The problem for Kavanaugh is that he is being defensive and trying to prove his innocence in ways that make it look like he's guilty. Who tracks down 65 old acquaintances and asks them to sign a letter that says "I wasn't rapey!" Makes him look very weak.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: "Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don't remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. "

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders. Kavanaugh is falling into the Democratic trap of trying to spin everything, he is coming across as another coddled elite who never suffers consequences for anything and never takes responsibility.

    The problem for Kavanaugh is that he is being defensive and trying to prove his innocence in ways that make it look like he’s guilty. Who tracks down 65 old acquaintances and asks them to sign a letter that says “I wasn’t rapey!” Makes him look very weak.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: “Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don’t remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. ”

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders. Kavanaugh is falling into the Democratic trap of trying to spin everything, he is coming across as another coddled elite who never suffers consequences for anything and never takes responsibility.

    Yeah, I agree with this for the most part. Though I don’t think he could have given the statement you make on his behalf. It’s not clear that he knew until yesterday who was accusing him, and what he was being accused of. The same with the letter from 65 women. If they don’t know what they’re trying to rebut, all they can do is come up with a general character reference.

    I read somewhere, maybe iSteve, talking about the Mizzou BLM football protests as being the product of a perfect storm, regarding the team’s record, the coach, etc. I think we’re looking at a similar situation here, regarding the timing of Sen Feinstein’s disclosures, and the rest of it.

    In general, the idea behind most of the other comments here seems to be about how to deflect or minimize the impact of these accusations based on the assumption that they are more or less true, like your statement for example. Most of the time that would be right, but because of the timing now we have to fight the accusation on the merits. And if we can’t win, at least to the extent of disproving “attempted rape”, we might have to find a new nominee.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    The same with the letter from 65 women. If they don’t know what they’re trying to rebut, all they can do is come up with a general character reference.
     
    The problem is saying he's honorable implies he never hit on them. It doesn't address the issue of whether he got violent when he made a move.

    What is needed is a few women who made out with him and can tesify that "he

    a) whined and begged a lot;
    b) said he could go blind or crippled if I didn't ease his misery;
    c) reminded me how much he paid for dinner and the movie;
    d) promised to love me forever; or
    e) said my skin was so soft and asked if I used baby oil."

    There's a difference between an incipient rapist and your basic teenage dawg. Dawgs don't use force, because that would be admitting failure in seduction. Most guys like to be reassured of their prowess in charming you into it ....

  39. @TTSSYF
    No way should we withdraw the nomination over something so silly as this. I don't think it's true, but even if it were -- so what? If any woman tells you she never once felt threatened with being molested when she was young or had some incident occur of a sexual nature that was not of her liking, she's either lying or grew up in a cloister. It's called "life".

    No way should we withdraw the nomination over something so silly as this. I don’t think it’s true, but even if it were — so what? If any woman tells you she never once felt threatened with being molested when she was young or had some incident occur of a sexual nature that was not of her liking, she’s either lying or grew up in a cloister. It’s called “life”.

    I hope not, but we can’t leave the accusations as they stand. We have to be able to take the sting out of the “attempted rape”. We also need the chance to get some political upside if we can beat the accusation.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    "We"? Are you two anything but spectators wearing blue - sorry, they changed that to red - jerseys?
  40. @Steve Sailer
    Joe Judge was pretty similar to Mark Grace of the Cubs in the 1980s-1990s who was a slick fielder and hit a lot of singles and doubles.

    Judge started out in the dead ball era in 1915 when first base (like third base) was more of a defensive position due to all the bunting. The big hitting infielders like Rogers Hornsby, Nap Lajoie and Honus Wagner, played second base or shortstop, while the lithe fielders played first and third.

    The Washington ballpark was really bad for power hitters, so Judge was a good player for the big ballpark, even though he never hit more than ten homers in a season. (In contrast, Grace was a poor fit in little Wrigley Field where you really ought to have a first baseman who can hit 30 homers per season.) He only hit 14 homers at home in his long career, but 57 on the road. The sophisticated newer statistics that adjust for park effects show he was an above average hitter from 1917 - 1930, 14 seasons in a row, which is very good.

    So Judge is a player who looked good under the old statistics, not so hot under the early sabermetric statistics, but pretty decent under the latest statistics.

    I don’t know when, if ever, sabermetricians ignored park effects. James talks about them incessantly in his books. Your link in your earlier post puts Judge at #44, not #35 — exactly where James had him 15 years ago. James also considered the run-scoring context, so he wouldn’t penalize Judge for starting his career in the deadball era. Indeed, James ranked Honus Wagner’s 1908 season as the greatest of all time, ahead of any of Babe Ruth’s seasons, precisely because of the run-scoring context and park effects.

    It’s a shame Bill James decided to turn a blind eye to steroids, HGH and the rest, but in general he’s one of the good guys. He’s a Noticer. In the 2003 abstract he mocked Title IX (we’re pretending that girls are as interested in sports as boys) and praised Jackie Robinson for supporting Nixon in 1960 and Goldwater in 1964. Of course he wouldn’t dare write anything like that today.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    Jackie Robinson supported Nixon in 1960 but was very (he backed Nelson Rockefeller) anti-Goldwater in 1964.

    See Lionel Lokos book, "Hysteria 1964: The Fear Campaign Against Barry Goldwater."

  41. @Anonymous

    with credible answers
     
    To what?

    at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape
     
    "Let the witch show that she didn't make the peasant sick."

    This is a construct top to bottom. Weaponizing rumors of transgressions against unwritten edicts of the nonsex league (while everybody wears a pussy hat and lets the labia hang out) has been the modus operandi for some time now.

    If you play along, you lose.

    In a more diverse and less neurotic society, it would really be easier. "Attempted rape? GTFO, bitch. Come back when you bleedin'"

    To what?

    To the allegations against him, now that there are actual allegations, with names and locations attached to them.

    What is Kavanaugh’s knowledge of Christine Blasey? Does he ever recall meeting her, or knowing of her? Does he ever remember being at a house party with her? Etc, etc. Same with Mark Judge, same with the other people who are supposedly known by name.

    We know enough now, not to know for sure about Blasey’s accusations, but at least to be able to find out if the foundation for them can be substantiated or not.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    What is Kavanaugh’s knowledge of Christine Blasey? Does he ever recall meeting her, or knowing of her? Does he ever remember being at a house party with her? Etc, etc. Same with Mark Judge, same with the other people who are supposedly known by name.
     
    Well, exactly. Right now we don't know the answer to any of these questions. If he did know her, or know of her, what did he know of her, or what did he think he knew of her? Who invited this minor teen girl to a party with booze. Who did she go with? How did she get there? Whose house was it?

    Right now we do not know any of these, so a Congressional hearing must be held so that the whole world can learn more about the sexual mores of upper middle class teenage white Americans in the early 80s.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083929/
  42. @Olorin
    Ford's dad:

    https://imgoat.com/uploads/2217062e9a/148016.png

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralph-blasey-5a84515

    For a good time, connect Baker & Hostetler to Fusion GPS.

    Now he's with Allied Capital. Which I thought had gone teats up then was bought by Ares, but apparently not.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/billionaire-democratic-donor-targets-business-blogger-tim-cavanaugh/

    https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/03/26/allied-capital-5-years-after-its-downfall.aspx

    Ford’s dad:

    There’s a lot of stuff on this resume to go broke enough to default on a mortgage.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    Precisely.

    Now imagine a female who, during her time at a super-tony girls' high school, scored with but didn't get an offer of matrimony from a well-off prep school boy whom she identifies as one who went on to become a successful lawyer, then SCOTUS clerk, then judge...who apparently managed his adult finances (and marital life) with better outcomes than father did.

    Imagine a father whose daughter at 15 is going into bedrooms with multiple boys, with alcohol involved.

    Well, whatever. POTUS just declassified a bunch of stuff...and ordered release of Page, Strzok, Comey, McCabe, and Ohr text messages. I'm makin' popcorn.

  43. @eah
    They both still have penises?

    https://twitter.com/FrameGames/status/1040857069149138944

    2016 -- US accepts more refugees from DRC than Syria amid warnings over militants

    America admitted 16,370 people fleeing conflict in the Democratic Republic of Congo in the year to September compared with 12,587 Syriens

    America admitted ______ people…

    The bad guys in various computer games are the ones who open portals to other worlds and let orcs invade.

  44. @Peter Akuleyev
    The problem for Kavanaugh is that he is being defensive and trying to prove his innocence in ways that make it look like he's guilty. Who tracks down 65 old acquaintances and asks them to sign a letter that says "I wasn't rapey!" Makes him look very weak.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: "Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don't remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. "

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders. Kavanaugh is falling into the Democratic trap of trying to spin everything, he is coming across as another coddled elite who never suffers consequences for anything and never takes responsibility.

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders.

    No. They’re looking for supermen.

  45. @Olorin
    Well, his mom DID foreclose on her parents when they piked on their mortgage back in the '90s.

    https://twitter.com/Larry_Beech/status/1041519668966645761

    http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/casesearch/inquiryDetail.jis?caseId=156006V&loc=68&detailLoc=MCCI

    If Ford's dad was an attorney, and she was putting herself at age 15 in bedrooms with sons of judges who were aspiring to be lawyers themselves, there's sure fit at the psycho logical level.

    FWIW:

    http://www.bookwormroom.com/2018/09/16/accusation-kavanaugh-plan-2012/

    Apparently Bookworm, an ex-Dem who is north of SF, lost her Twitter account over the above.

    Who knows, Brett Kavanaugh’s grandchildren may be fighting her grandchildren over this fifty years from now. It could play out like a more upmarket version of the Hatfields and McCoys.

    • Replies: @Lot
    That's funny but if your parents stopped paying their mortgage would you

    1. Know the name of the foreclose judge

    2. Hate her

    3. Bear a grudge against her son 20 years later?
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    'Tis but thy name that is mine enemy.
  46. @Reg Cæsar
    And you're still anonymous.

    337, that is.

  47. @Redneck farmer
    MOMMY, MARK SPAHN SAYS THERE AIN'T NO SANTA CLAUS, THE SUMBITCH!

    Santa Claus = Fake News

    (You’ve gotta grow up sometime.)

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  48. @Trevor H.
    Who is this Allison Reynolds? I looked her up and now I'm seeing a lot of ads for dandruff shampoo.

    Allison Reynolds is the character with a wicked case of dandruff portayed by Ally Sheedy in The Breakfast Club,

    But maybe you knew that and I’m just running the joke by over-explaining it. (It’s a fault of my character; it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve done so.)

  49. @Boethiuss

    No way should we withdraw the nomination over something so silly as this. I don’t think it’s true, but even if it were — so what? If any woman tells you she never once felt threatened with being molested when she was young or had some incident occur of a sexual nature that was not of her liking, she’s either lying or grew up in a cloister. It’s called “life”.
     
    I hope not, but we can't leave the accusations as they stand. We have to be able to take the sting out of the "attempted rape". We also need the chance to get some political upside if we can beat the accusation.

    “We”? Are you two anything but spectators wearing blue – sorry, they changed that to red – jerseys?

  50. @Steve Sailer
    Joe Judge was pretty similar to Mark Grace of the Cubs in the 1980s-1990s who was a slick fielder and hit a lot of singles and doubles.

    Judge started out in the dead ball era in 1915 when first base (like third base) was more of a defensive position due to all the bunting. The big hitting infielders like Rogers Hornsby, Nap Lajoie and Honus Wagner, played second base or shortstop, while the lithe fielders played first and third.

    The Washington ballpark was really bad for power hitters, so Judge was a good player for the big ballpark, even though he never hit more than ten homers in a season. (In contrast, Grace was a poor fit in little Wrigley Field where you really ought to have a first baseman who can hit 30 homers per season.) He only hit 14 homers at home in his long career, but 57 on the road. The sophisticated newer statistics that adjust for park effects show he was an above average hitter from 1917 - 1930, 14 seasons in a row, which is very good.

    So Judge is a player who looked good under the old statistics, not so hot under the early sabermetric statistics, but pretty decent under the latest statistics.

    And of no value in today’s game of Ba$hball.

  51. @Rob McX
    Now she fears retaliation. Because Brett Kavanaugh is exactly the type who'd have her rubbed out.

    Becky can dish it out but she can’t take it?

    Typical.

  52. @Olorin
    Ford's dad:

    https://imgoat.com/uploads/2217062e9a/148016.png

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralph-blasey-5a84515

    For a good time, connect Baker & Hostetler to Fusion GPS.

    Now he's with Allied Capital. Which I thought had gone teats up then was bought by Ares, but apparently not.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/billionaire-democratic-donor-targets-business-blogger-tim-cavanaugh/

    https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/03/26/allied-capital-5-years-after-its-downfall.aspx

    Baker is a giant law firm with hundreds of lawyers and a million clients.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    A large law firm is a heavily gated and secured small town whose population has common moneyflow interests and policy direction from its "city fathers."

    The latter direction is based on performing hermetic wordmagic for other gated groups and city fathers.

    These clusters of power, influence, and affiliation (relationship) matter. So does extended individual involvement in them.

  53. @TTSSYF
    No way should we withdraw the nomination over something so silly as this. I don't think it's true, but even if it were -- so what? If any woman tells you she never once felt threatened with being molested when she was young or had some incident occur of a sexual nature that was not of her liking, she's either lying or grew up in a cloister. It's called "life".

    So no consequences for the molester or assailant because that’s life?

    Most women have been threatened, groped, harassed, propositioned, or suffered something sexual not to their liking. That doesn’t mean that most men behave that way. Better to pick judges from the ones who don’t.

    Which is not saying that the accusation here is true or credible.

  54. Much more important than if Kav or some similar replacement takes Kennedy’s seat:

    China tariffs as early as next week, Wall Street losing influence in Trump admin:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/16/business/china-wall-street-trade.html

    Wish Trump had given the big tax cut to the middle class rather than these ungrateful pigs. Better he pivot to middle america late than never!

  55. @Boethiuss

    To what?
     
    To the allegations against him, now that there are actual allegations, with names and locations attached to them.

    What is Kavanaugh's knowledge of Christine Blasey? Does he ever recall meeting her, or knowing of her? Does he ever remember being at a house party with her? Etc, etc. Same with Mark Judge, same with the other people who are supposedly known by name.

    We know enough now, not to know for sure about Blasey's accusations, but at least to be able to find out if the foundation for them can be substantiated or not.

    What is Kavanaugh’s knowledge of Christine Blasey? Does he ever recall meeting her, or knowing of her? Does he ever remember being at a house party with her? Etc, etc. Same with Mark Judge, same with the other people who are supposedly known by name.

    Well, exactly. Right now we don’t know the answer to any of these questions. If he did know her, or know of her, what did he know of her, or what did he think he knew of her? Who invited this minor teen girl to a party with booze. Who did she go with? How did she get there? Whose house was it?

    Right now we do not know any of these, so a Congressional hearing must be held so that the whole world can learn more about the sexual mores of upper middle class teenage white Americans in the early 80s.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083929/

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    New accusations from Phoebe Cates: "The Judge holed himself up in the poolhouse and started pleasuring himself and made me walk in on him."
    , @Boethiuss

    Well, exactly. Right now we don’t know the answer to any of these questions. If he did know her, or know of her, what did he know of her, or what did he think he knew of her? Who invited this minor teen girl to a party with booze. Who did she go with? How did she get there? Whose house was it?

    Right now we do not know any of these, so a Congressional hearing must be held so that the whole world can learn more about the sexual mores of upper middle class teenage white Americans in the early 80s.
     
    Well yes, hyperbolic, facetious or otherwise, that's just what we have to do.

    I have a feeling that right now is the high point of Mrs Ford's narrative against Brett Kavanaugh. If we just do some more investigation, there will be other information that comes out to cast doubts on the severity, the significance, or the actual existence of this incident. But frankly, we don't know for sure so we just have to do some digging and find out.

    One thing I was trying to get at in an earlier comment: if it turns out that Miss Blasey's tormentor was Brendan Callahan from Bethesda High instead of Brett Kavanaugh from Georgetown Prep (and that's very possible), the GOP is in position to get some real benefit from this, both in terms of The Narrative and also the raw politics this November. This is in a situation where the good news for us recently has been real thin on the ground.
  56. @Rob McX
    Who knows, Brett Kavanaugh's grandchildren may be fighting her grandchildren over this fifty years from now. It could play out like a more upmarket version of the Hatfields and McCoys.

    That’s funny but if your parents stopped paying their mortgage would you

    1. Know the name of the foreclose judge

    2. Hate her

    3. Bear a grudge against her son 20 years later?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    That’s funny but if your parents stopped paying their mortgage would you

    1. Know the name of the foreclose judge

    2. Hate her

    3. Bear a grudge against her son 20 years later?
     
    Given that the case in question happened when she was in her late twenties / early thirties, the answer is quite possibly: Yes.
    , @Desiderius
    If my parents felt like they got a raw deal and bitched about it and I were a progtard and that judge was nominated by literally Hitler then yeah, that seems plausible.
    , @27 year old
    If my parents told me the name of the judge, definitely.

    I think majority of Americans would do this too.

    Especially in small towns. Everybody remembers everything.

    And people especially remember when suddenly one of the involved becomes a semi-famous political item.

    Personal grudges playing out across generations and altering the course of history is one of the most interesting and cool things. We have at least 2 examples of this now on the Trump era: Kushner v Christie being the first.
    , @anon
    Depends.
    Let's say the properties were valuable, Blasey just missed getting to the Bank by 5 o'clock on a Friday, and the bank foreclosed immediately.
    You'd be likely to remember a lot of details about that.
    , @Mr. Anon

    1. Know the name of the foreclose judge

    2. Hate her

    3. Bear a grudge against her son 20 years later?
     
    On account of a property that might have been part of her inheritance? Yeah, maybe.
  57. @Boethiuss
    This is a situation where Sen Feinstein's incompetence is going to end up helping the Democrats and hurting us.

    The unfortunate situation is that these accusations don't really register much in terms of crime but for this situation are unfortunately credible at the moment. And what I really fear is that in the next week or so they are going to get more credible.

    Because we're with Trump, and Trump got caught on tape and all the rest of it. Because there's Weinstein and the rest of #metoo. Because there is a midterm election coming up shortly, that's being polarized on sexual lines, where the Republicans are vulnerable to college degree women voting against us, even if it's not prosecutable as a crime, the Republicans aren't in a position to try to sweep this under the rug.

    I want to hope that this woman made the whole thing up Dan-Rather-style, but she didn't, for a couple of reasons. She not only named Kavanaugh, but also Mark Judge as well, ie another witness who is a position to deny this (and has). And the fact that she was willing to let the nomination go forward until she was indirectly outed by Feinstein. So the Dan Rather thing is not very likely.

    This doesn't mean that Kavanaugh can't be confirmed (though if we could execute better our best move might be to withdraw the nomination). It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape.

    Teenage male makes awkward attempt to get a piece of cherry pie 35 years ago, film at 11.

    Seriously?

    If this is going to be the standard, we may as well ban hetero males right now. And stop wondering why wypipo aren’t marrying or having kids.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    I remember some of the girls at my high school talking about needing the dexterity skills of Gerry Cheevers to intercept the grope attempts of some of the guys they dated.

    For non-Bostonians:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Cheevers

    You can't talk about Cheevers without mentioning his mask, voted the #1 design in history by the readers of Hockey News.

    http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/17943992/nhl-hockey-hall-fame-most-wanted-mask-boston-bruins-goalie-gerry-cheevers
  58. @anonymous
    Chortle all you like. Most people still know that Haven Monahan is guilty.

    And thanks to white-male privilege, he's still free. Somewhere.

    He’s still free because of climate change. Get real.

  59. @Jonathan Mason

    What is Kavanaugh’s knowledge of Christine Blasey? Does he ever recall meeting her, or knowing of her? Does he ever remember being at a house party with her? Etc, etc. Same with Mark Judge, same with the other people who are supposedly known by name.
     
    Well, exactly. Right now we don't know the answer to any of these questions. If he did know her, or know of her, what did he know of her, or what did he think he knew of her? Who invited this minor teen girl to a party with booze. Who did she go with? How did she get there? Whose house was it?

    Right now we do not know any of these, so a Congressional hearing must be held so that the whole world can learn more about the sexual mores of upper middle class teenage white Americans in the early 80s.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083929/

    New accusations from Phoebe Cates: “The Judge holed himself up in the poolhouse and started pleasuring himself and made me walk in on him.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
    "This is not illegal!"
  60. @eah
    They both still have penises?

    https://twitter.com/FrameGames/status/1040857069149138944

    2016 -- US accepts more refugees from DRC than Syria amid warnings over militants

    America admitted 16,370 people fleeing conflict in the Democratic Republic of Congo in the year to September compared with 12,587 Syriens

    We can never have too many Congolese.

  61. The top journalist on this beat is Ronan Farrow, a homosexual. His “partner” is former Obama staffer Jon Lovett. Unable to participate in the chain of life through normal sex, Farrow devotes his talents to persecuting those men who seize the opportunities life puts in front of them.

    As a little boy, Farrow was the subject of a very bitter custody battle that was won by his mother. This probably explains his homosexuality.

    • Replies: @Anthony Wayne
    Recall when the story first surfaced, Farrow called Mark Judge and said “I’m sure you’re familiar with the contents of the letter.” Judge didn’t know what he was talking about at all.
    , @Anon
    As a little boy, Farrow was the subject of a very bitter custody battle that was won by his mother. This probably explains his homosexuality.

    Only Jewish guru networking (thanks Kevin) can explain why white folks like you don’t rule the galaxy.
  62. @Jonathan Mason

    What is Kavanaugh’s knowledge of Christine Blasey? Does he ever recall meeting her, or knowing of her? Does he ever remember being at a house party with her? Etc, etc. Same with Mark Judge, same with the other people who are supposedly known by name.
     
    Well, exactly. Right now we don't know the answer to any of these questions. If he did know her, or know of her, what did he know of her, or what did he think he knew of her? Who invited this minor teen girl to a party with booze. Who did she go with? How did she get there? Whose house was it?

    Right now we do not know any of these, so a Congressional hearing must be held so that the whole world can learn more about the sexual mores of upper middle class teenage white Americans in the early 80s.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083929/

    Well, exactly. Right now we don’t know the answer to any of these questions. If he did know her, or know of her, what did he know of her, or what did he think he knew of her? Who invited this minor teen girl to a party with booze. Who did she go with? How did she get there? Whose house was it?

    Right now we do not know any of these, so a Congressional hearing must be held so that the whole world can learn more about the sexual mores of upper middle class teenage white Americans in the early 80s.

    Well yes, hyperbolic, facetious or otherwise, that’s just what we have to do.

    I have a feeling that right now is the high point of Mrs Ford’s narrative against Brett Kavanaugh. If we just do some more investigation, there will be other information that comes out to cast doubts on the severity, the significance, or the actual existence of this incident. But frankly, we don’t know for sure so we just have to do some digging and find out.

    One thing I was trying to get at in an earlier comment: if it turns out that Miss Blasey’s tormentor was Brendan Callahan from Bethesda High instead of Brett Kavanaugh from Georgetown Prep (and that’s very possible), the GOP is in position to get some real benefit from this, both in terms of The Narrative and also the raw politics this November. This is in a situation where the good news for us recently has been real thin on the ground.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Once you start holding more public hearings where the competitors for the 2020 Dem. nomination start competing with each other to show who is more virtuous you have lost control of the narrative. Who knows what might come out - it could be anything from total exoneration to smoking gun, but it will be a distracting sideshow for sure. Remember Anita Hill? The Republicans have some control at this point - without giving the Dems another platform to attack the from high ground, they can convene the committee in closed session and put the accuser and K on the phone - something like that which may actually get at the truth without turning into a political circus that will be a near automatic win for the Dems.

    The media are (as usual) totally in the bag for the Dems so a public exoneration that would help in November is not really in the cards. If the evidence was exonerating, the next minute the press would change the subject to how many people are dying in NC due to Trump's inadequate efforts to rescue them or something else and the K accusations would be instantly memory holed.
    , @EdwardM
    Funny how no one has thought to ask Ms. Blasey if she was drunk too. Or if her professional research on children's trauma and repressed memories might be coloring her recollection.

    My bet: this incident happened to Ms. Blasey. Such incidents probably happened to her every weekend throughout high school and college. She has no idea whether any of the perpetrators were Brett Kavanaugh, former NFL QB Matt Cavanaugh, early-20th century New York state senator Frederick Kavanaugh, Kate Kavanagh from 50 Shades of Grey, or anyone else in particular.

    But, hey, her story checks the box of being plausible due to her location at the time. She's a leftist who is tired of people snickering when she says she's a professor at Palo Alto University, so she figures she'll at least get some MSNBC get spots and lecture fees out of it Maybe even a Vanity Fair profile.
  63. @Keypusher
    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: “Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don’t remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. ”

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?


    Um, treat it as a confession to sexual assault, as would a number of Republicans, and that would be the end of his nomination.

    Steve, Joe Judge was always considered good. Bill James ranked him #44 among first baseman in his big Abstract from 2003. But who ranked ahead of him? Mostly first basemen who hit lots of home runs, starting with Lou Gehrig. Singles are good, doubles are very good, triples are wonderful, home runs are best of all. This isn’t complicated.

    Um, treat it as a confession to sexual assault, as would a number of Republicans, and that would be the end of his nomination.

    It wouldn’t be a confession. It is fairly well established that Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker in high school. If he doesn’t remember, he doesn’t remember. He can even afford to act empathetic in this particular case. The accuser also knows he was drunk.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    More bad advice. It's one thing to say, vaguely, "I liked to party when I was in high school". It's another thing to say "I was blackout drunk on that particular evening. I was so drunk that I may have tried to rape a woman but I was so drunk that I have no recollection of that evening."
    , @Fred Boynton
    Normies always think an apology will resolve any dispute. Normies also believe that when other people apologize, whether it's to themselves or to a third party, they are confessing to a wrong-doing. If Kavanaugh makes any sort of apology what-so-ever, he will be finished not only as a SC judge but as any sort of judge and will likely be disbarred. His career will be over and he will be looked at as a sex offender whether forced to register or not. Any sort of apology like you're suggesting will be taken by almost everyone as a confession that he got drunk, got her drunk and then raped her. He might not get charged for sexual assault but his law career and his personal life as an upstanding member of the community will effectively be over.
  64. @Trevor H.
    If you can remember your late teens, you weren't really there

    High school boys were not regularly getting drunk where I grew up. Most never did, and those that did it was something a 1 to 5 times a year. There were 0 serious problem drinkers in my public HS and 0 Spicoli type daily potheads. First year of college was when I first encountered this.

    Other than me, none of my friends tokes until they were 17.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Uh, Lot, pretty likely you just hadn’t started noticing yet.
    , @Jack D
    You didn't attend a boys Catholic school. Catholics have a different relationship to alcohol than other religions because it's one of the few things that's not a sin in their book. Drinking alcohol is literally one of the sacraments of their religion. Hell, they have branches of their clergy that actually make the stuff.
  65. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Continued evidence that legacy media is non-viable without an oligarch subsidizing it.

    Salesforce co-founder Marc Benioff and his wife buy Time magazine for $190 million

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/salesforce-co-founder-marc-benioff-and-his-wife-buy-time-magazine-for-190-million-2018-09-16

    There was previously lots of hand-wringing on the left that the Kochs were going to take over Time. Benioff is the guy that previously threatened to destroy the economy of Indiana if they didn’t submit to the Poz. Threats like that should be seen as an act of war.

  66. An article I read on this described Kavanaugh has having attended an expensive, elite boys private school. But the school that his accuser attended is not described as an expensive, elite girls private school, although it appears to have been exactly that.

  67. Anonymous [AKA "Dudely"] says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    The problem for Kavanaugh is that he is being defensive and trying to prove his innocence in ways that make it look like he's guilty. Who tracks down 65 old acquaintances and asks them to sign a letter that says "I wasn't rapey!" Makes him look very weak.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: "Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don't remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. "

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders. Kavanaugh is falling into the Democratic trap of trying to spin everything, he is coming across as another coddled elite who never suffers consequences for anything and never takes responsibility.

    What you wrote is a confession.

    He should say one sentence.

    “I did not do that.”

    Done. End of.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    A lot of Peter’s comments seem to be the equivalent of an assistant coach for the Eagles trotting over to the Patriot’s bench in the middle of the Super Bowl and telling them “let me help you guys out, here are diagrams of some plays you can run including the signals. This will help you score more points.”
  68. anon[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    Chortle all you like. Most people still know that Haven Monahan is guilty.

    And thanks to white-male privilege, he's still free. Somewhere.

    If Haven is so privileged, why does he need to rape women? Wouldn’t he have women throwing themselves at him? One might argue that his privilege makes him think he can get away with rape — but again, why would he need to rape a woman in the first place?

  69. @anonymous
    Like the "federal" elections held every November in even-numbered years and the 5-4 decrees of the Court, aren't these nailbiting confirmation hearings part of the show that keeps people gulled into accepting that so many things in life are to be run by people in Washington?

    I'm still inclined to the notion that the Constitution was intended, at least by some of its authors and supporters, to create a limited national government. But even by the time of Marbury, those entrusted with those powers have arrogated the authority to define them. In my lifetime, the Court exists to deal with hot potato social issues in lieu of the invertebrate Congress, to forebear (along with the invertebrate Congress) the warmongering and other "foreign policy" waged under auspices of the President, and to dignify the Establishment's shepherding and fleecing of the people.

    Why should a robed, unelected politician be redefining marriage? Entrusted to enforce the Constitutional limitations on the others? Sure, questions like these are posed from time to time in a dissenting Justice's opinion, but that ends the discussion other than in the context of replacing old Justice X with middle-aged Justice Y.

    So before investing much in the critical importance of a Justice Kavanaugh, think back on Justice Roberts and his vote to sustain the Affordable Care Act. Or reflect on how the Court has declined to vindicate free speech when presented with challenges to the Patriot Act, etc.

    Some of the comments here are really sharp, though.

    So before investing much in the critical importance of a Justice Kavanaugh, think back on Justice Roberts and his vote to sustain the Affordable Care Act. Or reflect on how the Court has declined to vindicate free speech when presented with challenges to the Patriot Act, etc.

    That is all true. And I was not wild about Kavanaugh as an SC nominee, simply for the fact that he was a Bush administration flunky. I don’t trust him. I don’t trust people like him.

    But if he isn’t appointed, nobody might be. There is a slight chance that the Democrats could gain control of the Senate, in which case, Trump would get no more appointees through, in this his – very possibly – only term in office.

    As bad as I suspect Kavanaugh might be, any democratic appointee would be far worse.

    I’m really pissed off that the Trump administration has devolved into this: you gotta stick with him, bad as he is, because he’s our guy. But all we end up doing is supporting our guy, while he doesn’t do much of anything that he actually ran on. Trump could have had better judgement in campaign managers than Manafort and better judgement in hookers than Stormy Daniels. But, that’s what we get for electing a casino owner and reality TV star.

  70. @Lot
    That's funny but if your parents stopped paying their mortgage would you

    1. Know the name of the foreclose judge

    2. Hate her

    3. Bear a grudge against her son 20 years later?

    That’s funny but if your parents stopped paying their mortgage would you

    1. Know the name of the foreclose judge

    2. Hate her

    3. Bear a grudge against her son 20 years later?

    Given that the case in question happened when she was in her late twenties / early thirties, the answer is quite possibly: Yes.

  71. @Lot
    That's funny but if your parents stopped paying their mortgage would you

    1. Know the name of the foreclose judge

    2. Hate her

    3. Bear a grudge against her son 20 years later?

    If my parents felt like they got a raw deal and bitched about it and I were a progtard and that judge was nominated by literally Hitler then yeah, that seems plausible.

  72. @Lot
    High school boys were not regularly getting drunk where I grew up. Most never did, and those that did it was something a 1 to 5 times a year. There were 0 serious problem drinkers in my public HS and 0 Spicoli type daily potheads. First year of college was when I first encountered this.

    Other than me, none of my friends tokes until they were 17.

    Uh, Lot, pretty likely you just hadn’t started noticing yet.

  73. @International Jew
    Kavanaugh is lucky that this Mark Judge guy, the only other witness to whatever happened at that high school party, is a conservative. Anything else, and Kavanaugh's Supreme Court nomination would be toast. In fact his whole career would be toast.

    I suspect Christine Blasey Ford selected Mark Judge to be the “witness” because he is a known conservative writer. Thus he will be attacked for his past writings and his defense of Kavanaugh will be suspect. She probably went through a Georgetown Prep yearbook and spotted the photo of Kavanaugh with Judge, then quickly discovered that Judge was a conservative writer who had chronicled his recovery from alcoholism in “Wasted: Tales of a Gen-X Drunk,” which described his own blackout drinking and a culture of partying among students at his high school….

    Ford said she does not remember how the gathering came together the night of the incident…She also doesn’t recall who owned the house or how she got there….not did she inform any of her friends about the incident…nor does she recall the other 2 boys at the house. She isn’t sure how she got home….Hard to believe she “recalls” Judge and Kvanaugh but not the boy who invited her to his home…more difficult to believe a 15 year-old girl went to this party alone, without any girlfriend. Doubt she ever attended a party alone as a teen.

  74. @Boethiuss
    This is a situation where Sen Feinstein's incompetence is going to end up helping the Democrats and hurting us.

    The unfortunate situation is that these accusations don't really register much in terms of crime but for this situation are unfortunately credible at the moment. And what I really fear is that in the next week or so they are going to get more credible.

    Because we're with Trump, and Trump got caught on tape and all the rest of it. Because there's Weinstein and the rest of #metoo. Because there is a midterm election coming up shortly, that's being polarized on sexual lines, where the Republicans are vulnerable to college degree women voting against us, even if it's not prosecutable as a crime, the Republicans aren't in a position to try to sweep this under the rug.

    I want to hope that this woman made the whole thing up Dan-Rather-style, but she didn't, for a couple of reasons. She not only named Kavanaugh, but also Mark Judge as well, ie another witness who is a position to deny this (and has). And the fact that she was willing to let the nomination go forward until she was indirectly outed by Feinstein. So the Dan Rather thing is not very likely.

    This doesn't mean that Kavanaugh can't be confirmed (though if we could execute better our best move might be to withdraw the nomination). It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape.

    > It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape.

    How could you possibly prove that something *didn’t* happen 35 years ago? She doesn’t even have the year or whose house it was. Are you able to account for your whereabouts on August 13 1982?

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    How could you possibly prove that something *didn’t* happen 35 years ago? She doesn’t even have the year or whose house it was. Are you able to account for your whereabouts on August 13 1982?
     
    No, but I (or Kavanaugh) can answer questions like "At that time, did you know of Ann Smith from Washington High? Do you ever recall meeting her, or being in the same proximity, etc, etc?" so as to narrow down what did happen or what could be credible.
  75. @WowJustWow
    New accusations from Phoebe Cates: "The Judge holed himself up in the poolhouse and started pleasuring himself and made me walk in on him."

    “This is not illegal!”

  76. @AndrewR
    I don't even care if he did what this female is accusing him of. It allegedly happened 35 years ago, and he's been a federal judge for 12 years. Why wait until now? Suck it up, hon. Sad her parents never taught her not to party alone with four boys and lots of booze.

    My main objection to Kavanaugh was he looks too much like a gay-faced fucking nerd to be trusted

    So if he actually got drunk with a girl in high school and tried to smash, that makes me like him more

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @El Dato
    Dude, you have issues.
    , @AndrewR
    This is why we can't have nice things.
  77. Where did you grow up? Mayberry? Hooterville?

  78. @27 year old
    My main objection to Kavanaugh was he looks too much like a gay-faced fucking nerd to be trusted

    So if he actually got drunk with a girl in high school and tried to smash, that makes me like him more

    Dude, you have issues.

  79. @Lot
    That's funny but if your parents stopped paying their mortgage would you

    1. Know the name of the foreclose judge

    2. Hate her

    3. Bear a grudge against her son 20 years later?

    If my parents told me the name of the judge, definitely.

    I think majority of Americans would do this too.

    Especially in small towns. Everybody remembers everything.

    And people especially remember when suddenly one of the involved becomes a semi-famous political item.

    Personal grudges playing out across generations and altering the course of history is one of the most interesting and cool things. We have at least 2 examples of this now on the Trump era: Kushner v Christie being the first.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    If my parents told me the name of the judge, definitely.
     
    Especially if the judge's son was in your same adolescent social cohort.
    , @Lot
    Sure, but I'd expect 99% of foreclosures are not seriously contested. Is there an indication in the court record otherwise?

    Some crazy or dishonest people lie to delay a foreclosure and live rent free for a while. That would be an odd thing for an attorney to do, could result in disbarred or career ending sanctions.

    The judges who get hated on by the parties are criminal and family law judges.
  80. @27 year old
    If my parents told me the name of the judge, definitely.

    I think majority of Americans would do this too.

    Especially in small towns. Everybody remembers everything.

    And people especially remember when suddenly one of the involved becomes a semi-famous political item.

    Personal grudges playing out across generations and altering the course of history is one of the most interesting and cool things. We have at least 2 examples of this now on the Trump era: Kushner v Christie being the first.

    If my parents told me the name of the judge, definitely.

    Especially if the judge’s son was in your same adolescent social cohort.

  81. @27 year old
    My main objection to Kavanaugh was he looks too much like a gay-faced fucking nerd to be trusted

    So if he actually got drunk with a girl in high school and tried to smash, that makes me like him more

    This is why we can’t have nice things.

  82. Timing is everything. It’s OK now not to believe Jackie. No one believes Jackie any more (well maybe a few die hards at the Guardian who are the equivalent of the Japanese soldiers in the Philippine jungle who refused to surrender until the 1970s) but Judge (like Steve) disbelieved her TOO SOON. This makes them guilty of Crimethink even if they were ultimately right. Being CORRECT is much more important than being right. “Always believe women” may lead to false results now and then but it will never lead to sexism and sexism is a much greater sin. Some values are more important than mere truth. By not believing Jackie before it was acceptable to not believe Jackie, Judge outed himself as a hater. The fact that Jackie later turned out to be a liar and that Judge was ultimately proven right is irrelevant to this question. He was right for the wrong reasons.

    Now this may sound like Alice in Wonderland logic, but this is EXACTLY the world we are living in and why the writers at Raw Story considered this to be a “gotcha” (well either that or they were too ignorant to understand that Judge’s disbelief was connected to the Rolling Stone hoax) and that (more importantly) leftists STILL consider it a gotcha even after the connection was pointed out.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    See also Pres. Trump FALSELY calling Islamic terrorism "Islamic terrorism" before it was reported!!! to be Islamic terrorism.
  83. @Lot
    High school boys were not regularly getting drunk where I grew up. Most never did, and those that did it was something a 1 to 5 times a year. There were 0 serious problem drinkers in my public HS and 0 Spicoli type daily potheads. First year of college was when I first encountered this.

    Other than me, none of my friends tokes until they were 17.

    You didn’t attend a boys Catholic school. Catholics have a different relationship to alcohol than other religions because it’s one of the few things that’s not a sin in their book. Drinking alcohol is literally one of the sacraments of their religion. Hell, they have branches of their clergy that actually make the stuff.

    • Replies: @mmack
    Old joke from way back:

    Q: “Why do Catholics smoke and drink so much?”
    A: “It’s all we’re allowed to do.”
    , @Old Palo Altan
    You are confusing "Catholic" with "Irish".

    And alcohol cannot be either a sin or a virtue; it is the use of it, as of any other thing, which is either good or bad. Getting "merry" is indeed a virtue, as St Thomas Aquinas taught us (not that we needed the lesson); it is drunkenness, defined as the loss of reason, that most divine of gifts, through excessive consumption of alcohol, which is sinful.
    , @SIMPLE Pseudonymic Handle
    You know, I've never given it any thought, but that's probably true. I was drinking (watered) wine with my parents at the dinner table from the earliest age. I realize now how strange that must sound to Protestants. My ancestry is southern Euro not Irish though. Drunkenness seems to be a particularly Irish problem.
  84. @Peter Akuleyev
    Um, treat it as a confession to sexual assault, as would a number of Republicans, and that would be the end of his nomination.

    It wouldn't be a confession. It is fairly well established that Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker in high school. If he doesn't remember, he doesn't remember. He can even afford to act empathetic in this particular case. The accuser also knows he was drunk.

    More bad advice. It’s one thing to say, vaguely, “I liked to party when I was in high school”. It’s another thing to say “I was blackout drunk on that particular evening. I was so drunk that I may have tried to rape a woman but I was so drunk that I have no recollection of that evening.”

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @L Woods
    It’s funny how being blackout drunk is a carte blanche for female behavior but no defense at all for the rest of us. Quite a riddle.
  85. @Boethiuss

    Well, exactly. Right now we don’t know the answer to any of these questions. If he did know her, or know of her, what did he know of her, or what did he think he knew of her? Who invited this minor teen girl to a party with booze. Who did she go with? How did she get there? Whose house was it?

    Right now we do not know any of these, so a Congressional hearing must be held so that the whole world can learn more about the sexual mores of upper middle class teenage white Americans in the early 80s.
     
    Well yes, hyperbolic, facetious or otherwise, that's just what we have to do.

    I have a feeling that right now is the high point of Mrs Ford's narrative against Brett Kavanaugh. If we just do some more investigation, there will be other information that comes out to cast doubts on the severity, the significance, or the actual existence of this incident. But frankly, we don't know for sure so we just have to do some digging and find out.

    One thing I was trying to get at in an earlier comment: if it turns out that Miss Blasey's tormentor was Brendan Callahan from Bethesda High instead of Brett Kavanaugh from Georgetown Prep (and that's very possible), the GOP is in position to get some real benefit from this, both in terms of The Narrative and also the raw politics this November. This is in a situation where the good news for us recently has been real thin on the ground.

    Once you start holding more public hearings where the competitors for the 2020 Dem. nomination start competing with each other to show who is more virtuous you have lost control of the narrative. Who knows what might come out – it could be anything from total exoneration to smoking gun, but it will be a distracting sideshow for sure. Remember Anita Hill? The Republicans have some control at this point – without giving the Dems another platform to attack the from high ground, they can convene the committee in closed session and put the accuser and K on the phone – something like that which may actually get at the truth without turning into a political circus that will be a near automatic win for the Dems.

    The media are (as usual) totally in the bag for the Dems so a public exoneration that would help in November is not really in the cards. If the evidence was exonerating, the next minute the press would change the subject to how many people are dying in NC due to Trump’s inadequate efforts to rescue them or something else and the K accusations would be instantly memory holed.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    I agree that a public hearing is an automatic win or at best neutral for the Dems, but with a closed one they'll be able to claim they saw INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF that Kav's a rapist but the misogynist Rethuglicans have hidden it from you, the American people.

    Also, given their previous antics I wouldn't put it past them to secretly videotape the hearing, then release an edited version to the media.
    , @Boethiuss

    Once you start holding more public hearings where the competitors for the 2020 Dem. nomination start competing with each other to show who is more virtuous you have lost control of the narrative.
     
    Well yeah, that's the point. We _have_ lost control of the narrative, we're not in a position to try to say otherwise. We can, now or at a later time, just push the nomination through on a party line vote, but really we need a couple of ticks in our favor regarding the info generated out of the news cycle before we try to draw a line under this.

    If we do get some good (for us) information in the next day or week or whatever, we can use that against the Democratic candidates or liberals in general. Even if the narrative isn't going our way right now, there is one thing we do have. Regardless of whether it was an innocent mistake, incompetence, or malevolence, the reason that we're going through this now is because a Democrat Senator sat on this for at least six weeks.

    Ie, if we put the Democrats in power that means they are going to take us for a ride on a wild goose chase to serve their short term political battles and do nothing for us.
  86. The problem with these tiresome episodes is that the damage is done with the accusation itself. There’s no way of defending yourself without looking guilty–of something, anything, whatever the opposition has cooked up this week as the “most unpardonable sin.” The accused generally has to assert something that amounts to “I’ve never come on to a girl”–which is obviously false for any man who’s become something in public life.

    The Leftists use this tactic because it works–and because they can rest easy that it will never be used against them in return.

    Yet if Republicans could stop being such patsies, they might realize that the only way to counteract this form of political war is to have a “balance of terror.” Instead of wasting time trying to “prove” that their nominee is as pure as the driven snow, they should be exposing the inevitable dirt lurking in the private lives of every Democrat member of the judiciary committee. Men and women alike. Embarass them in public, humilate their families, take a toll on their reputations. Teach the decision-makers like Feinstein that if they pull the trigger on this kind of personal warfare, there will be personal costs for members of their own party.

  87. @Jack D
    Timing is everything. It's OK now not to believe Jackie. No one believes Jackie any more (well maybe a few die hards at the Guardian who are the equivalent of the Japanese soldiers in the Philippine jungle who refused to surrender until the 1970s) but Judge (like Steve) disbelieved her TOO SOON. This makes them guilty of Crimethink even if they were ultimately right. Being CORRECT is much more important than being right. "Always believe women" may lead to false results now and then but it will never lead to sexism and sexism is a much greater sin. Some values are more important than mere truth. By not believing Jackie before it was acceptable to not believe Jackie, Judge outed himself as a hater. The fact that Jackie later turned out to be a liar and that Judge was ultimately proven right is irrelevant to this question. He was right for the wrong reasons.

    Now this may sound like Alice in Wonderland logic, but this is EXACTLY the world we are living in and why the writers at Raw Story considered this to be a "gotcha" (well either that or they were too ignorant to understand that Judge's disbelief was connected to the Rolling Stone hoax) and that (more importantly) leftists STILL consider it a gotcha even after the connection was pointed out.

    See also Pres. Trump FALSELY calling Islamic terrorism “Islamic terrorism” before it was reported!!! to be Islamic terrorism.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  88. @Jack D
    Once you start holding more public hearings where the competitors for the 2020 Dem. nomination start competing with each other to show who is more virtuous you have lost control of the narrative. Who knows what might come out - it could be anything from total exoneration to smoking gun, but it will be a distracting sideshow for sure. Remember Anita Hill? The Republicans have some control at this point - without giving the Dems another platform to attack the from high ground, they can convene the committee in closed session and put the accuser and K on the phone - something like that which may actually get at the truth without turning into a political circus that will be a near automatic win for the Dems.

    The media are (as usual) totally in the bag for the Dems so a public exoneration that would help in November is not really in the cards. If the evidence was exonerating, the next minute the press would change the subject to how many people are dying in NC due to Trump's inadequate efforts to rescue them or something else and the K accusations would be instantly memory holed.

    I agree that a public hearing is an automatic win or at best neutral for the Dems, but with a closed one they’ll be able to claim they saw INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF that Kav’s a rapist but the misogynist Rethuglicans have hidden it from you, the American people.

    Also, given their previous antics I wouldn’t put it past them to secretly videotape the hearing, then release an edited version to the media.

  89. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    The problem for Kavanaugh is that he is being defensive and trying to prove his innocence in ways that make it look like he's guilty. Who tracks down 65 old acquaintances and asks them to sign a letter that says "I wasn't rapey!" Makes him look very weak.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: "Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don't remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. "

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders. Kavanaugh is falling into the Democratic trap of trying to spin everything, he is coming across as another coddled elite who never suffers consequences for anything and never takes responsibility.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: “Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don’t remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. ”

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Exactly. This is the best response EVEN IF Kavanaugh is 100% innocent in the matter.

    The alternative would be to remove ALL DOUBT. That is simply impossible.

    Kavanaugh’s bumbling response indicates a serious lack of street smarts.

    As part of the PIVOT TO THE MIDDLE CLASS, Trump should find a solid nominee from a state college background who was not anointed at the age of 16 or 18.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    My grandfather was at Georgetown Prep, and a possible nominee to the Supreme Court, Adrian Vermeule, is somebody I share an uncle with (well, my uncle and his great-uncle: I keep having to remind myself that I am indeed "old").

    Nevertheless I agree with you 100%: the American upper class is not up to the challenges of civilisational failure. Its members are too well brought up to respond with the brutal decisiveness which are now our only hope.

    Let's have a smart tough-minded working or lower middle class rough diamond who is not impressed by anything but the intentions of our Founding Fathers and who will not blanche, but rather sigh with relief, when he finds himself disinvited from the DC cocktail circuit.
  90. I have moral dilemma. I am in a position to destroy Senator Feinstein’s reputation in regards to this Judge Kavanaugh nomination. I’m a registered Republican – should I do it.

    Many years ago in the 1970s I founded the Epilepsy Society of San Francisco. To open the office I sought and got a commitment from Council Woman Feinstein’s office to cut a ribbon. This was long before she was a Senator or the Mayor, but she was a political celebrity nonetheless. It was considered a coup. Feinstein didn’t do these sorts of things often.

    She came. We had a few photos taken and she left.

    But we were alone in the office for a few minutes. I could now claim that she sexually propositioned me. And I refused. That didn’t happen but there were no witnesses. We were alone for a short time. I could make such a claim and it would embarrass her and tend to divert attention from the similar claim by this Democrat woman.

    Should I as a free lance unaffiliated Republican operative make this claim of an alleged sex incident that happened decades ago? If the Democrats can make such a claim isn’t it incumbent on good Republicans to answer with a story of their own?

    I’m ten years younger than the senator and at the time we met in my office I was good looking. Women in authority have propositioned me when I worked in government. Although I’m a bit to big to actually be physically assaulted. If we as conservatives don’t strike back in kind we will always be vulnerable to these kind of “Me Too” sex stories.

    One might ask why I never said anything to anyone in the intervening half century. I have no memory of her being anything but businesslike and appropriate. But suppose I suppressed the memory of a sexual assault by her and that I only recovered the memory of her attack when I saw the Kavanaugh hearings on TV?

    Should I write a letter to the Post too?

    Fantastic and wildly improbable? Maybe. But newsworthy.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I am in a position to destroy Senator Feinstein’s reputation in regards to this Judge Kavanaugh nomination. ......................... But we were alone in the office for a few minutes. I could now claim that she sexually propositioned me. ................................. One might ask why I never said anything to anyone in the intervening half century. I have no memory of her being anything but businesslike and appropriate. But suppose I suppressed the memory of a sexual assault by her and that I only recovered the memory of her attack when I saw the Kavanaugh hearings on TV?
     
    You just misinterpereted her meaning when she told you "Someday, I'm going to grab your guns."
  91. Am I the only person in this thread starting to get confused about references to someone called ‘Judge’ and someone who is a judge?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Nope. I was hoping for a connection with Mike Judge, so there'd be a scene of Daria heaping scorn on Beavis and Butt-Head when they tried to hit on her.
  92. @27 year old
    If my parents told me the name of the judge, definitely.

    I think majority of Americans would do this too.

    Especially in small towns. Everybody remembers everything.

    And people especially remember when suddenly one of the involved becomes a semi-famous political item.

    Personal grudges playing out across generations and altering the course of history is one of the most interesting and cool things. We have at least 2 examples of this now on the Trump era: Kushner v Christie being the first.

    Sure, but I’d expect 99% of foreclosures are not seriously contested. Is there an indication in the court record otherwise?

    Some crazy or dishonest people lie to delay a foreclosure and live rent free for a while. That would be an odd thing for an attorney to do, could result in disbarred or career ending sanctions.

    The judges who get hated on by the parties are criminal and family law judges.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    They're in the SF Bay Area, home to the most tenant-friendly laws (well beyond the point of absurdity) in the country. There are presumably any number of "legitimate" avenues to contest a foreclosure where they lived.
    , @anon
    You're assuming a house was foreclosed.

    It may have been commercial property, motels, a shopping centre, etc..
  93. @The Alarmist
    BTW, Trump might have avoided this problem if he had simply chosen the chick. #MeToo is probably why the Dems have mostly offered up female appointees the past couple of decades, and it would have been interesting to see what might have been unearthed about Merrick Garland, as if the Rinos could find the stones to do a little digging on him, much less the Wise Latinx and the Gartenzwerg, both of whom they actually rubber-stamped in.

    “BTW, Trump might have avoided this problem if he had simply chosen the chick.”

    Hells nah. She’s a virtue-signaler fashionably kitted out with the requisite adopted Shithole-Americans. Utterly compromised. She’d be another Roberts craving accolades from the Jew York Times and Washington Compost and she’d give white men the middle finger with every decision.

    Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh is married to a cute younger woman who keeps herself in shape (a healthy sign of respect for her man) and two daughters who look like him. Too bad he doesn’t have a son, but you can’t always get….

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh is married to a cute younger woman who keeps herself in shape (a healthy sign of respect for her man) and two daughters who look like him. Too bad he doesn’t have a son, but you can’t always get….
     
    Strangely enough his two daughters are called Elizabeth (also called Liza) and Margaret, mirroring Queen Elizabeth II and her sister Princess Margaret. As King George VI said to his wife Elizabeth: "Too bad we don't have a son. I can see him doing very well for himself."

    I don't know if he is a rapist, but he seems like an Anglophile. Judge Gorsuch is also married to an Englishwoman, Louise, so the tendency to Anglophilia must coexist with the judicial temperament. Gorsuch met her at, where else, Oxford, where so many famous individuals have met their spouses.

    Princess Louise was, of course, the fourth daughter of Queen Victoria. Gorsuch's daughters are Emma and Belinda. Emma is the name of the eponymous hero of a Jane Austen novel, and Belinda is also the name of an obscure nineteenth century English novel by Maria Edgworth.
  94. I just looked at Ford’s letter to Feinstein, and was struck by this claim:

    I have received medical treatment regarding the assault.

    How is that an honest, unbiased way to describe the actual facts: that she mentioned the supposed incident in a counseling session 30 years later? Could it be more obvious that she was trying to suggest, by the use of the word “medical”, that she had medical injuries inflicted at the time, or was so traumatized that at the time she saw a psychiatrist (people don’t usually describe a session with a couples counselor — almost never a physician — as a “medical” treatment).

    Point is, she’s trying to spin this thing as hard as she can even with the obviously sympathetic Feinstein. How much can the drama of her memories possibly be trusted? If she’s going to exaggerate like this in her letter, why should we believe she hasn’t grossly embellished her memories?

  95. @Lot
    Sure, but I'd expect 99% of foreclosures are not seriously contested. Is there an indication in the court record otherwise?

    Some crazy or dishonest people lie to delay a foreclosure and live rent free for a while. That would be an odd thing for an attorney to do, could result in disbarred or career ending sanctions.

    The judges who get hated on by the parties are criminal and family law judges.

    They’re in the SF Bay Area, home to the most tenant-friendly laws (well beyond the point of absurdity) in the country. There are presumably any number of “legitimate” avenues to contest a foreclosure where they lived.

  96. @Boethiuss
    This is a situation where Sen Feinstein's incompetence is going to end up helping the Democrats and hurting us.

    The unfortunate situation is that these accusations don't really register much in terms of crime but for this situation are unfortunately credible at the moment. And what I really fear is that in the next week or so they are going to get more credible.

    Because we're with Trump, and Trump got caught on tape and all the rest of it. Because there's Weinstein and the rest of #metoo. Because there is a midterm election coming up shortly, that's being polarized on sexual lines, where the Republicans are vulnerable to college degree women voting against us, even if it's not prosecutable as a crime, the Republicans aren't in a position to try to sweep this under the rug.

    I want to hope that this woman made the whole thing up Dan-Rather-style, but she didn't, for a couple of reasons. She not only named Kavanaugh, but also Mark Judge as well, ie another witness who is a position to deny this (and has). And the fact that she was willing to let the nomination go forward until she was indirectly outed by Feinstein. So the Dan Rather thing is not very likely.

    This doesn't mean that Kavanaugh can't be confirmed (though if we could execute better our best move might be to withdraw the nomination). It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape.

    “It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape.”

    Wrong. Firm, consistent denials beat any accusation of attempted rape from 35 years ago. No matter how florid the accuser’s phantasies, just reply with a simple No, that never happened. Statutes of limitations exist because reasons.

    And it certainly happened. Future Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh, then a teenaged minor, got liquored up and made aggressive advances on the accuser. For whatever reason, future Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh gave up on attempted fondling in the first degree and the accuser left the home.

    So what?

    BTW, I’m adding Kavanaugh to my web browser dictionary. Dude gonna be around awhile now, legislating from the bench and defending the interests of white men for a generation or two.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    And it certainly happened. Future Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh, then a teenaged minor, got liquored up and made aggressive advances on the accuser. For whatever reason, future Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh gave up on attempted fondling in the first degree and the accuser left the home.
     
    Yeah, I'm not sure it did. I'm especially not sure it did the way Mrs Ford says it did.

    Where we are now is at the worst point of the narrative. Any new facts or developments that happen from here forward are largely going to work to our benefit.
  97. • Replies: @David In TN
    "Flake cucked."

    It would have been a surprise if he hadn't.
    , @Anonymous

    Flake cucked:
     
    We are Flucked.

    McInsane must be smiling down up in the bowels of Hell.
     
    Requiescat in infernis.
  98. @Jack D
    Once you start holding more public hearings where the competitors for the 2020 Dem. nomination start competing with each other to show who is more virtuous you have lost control of the narrative. Who knows what might come out - it could be anything from total exoneration to smoking gun, but it will be a distracting sideshow for sure. Remember Anita Hill? The Republicans have some control at this point - without giving the Dems another platform to attack the from high ground, they can convene the committee in closed session and put the accuser and K on the phone - something like that which may actually get at the truth without turning into a political circus that will be a near automatic win for the Dems.

    The media are (as usual) totally in the bag for the Dems so a public exoneration that would help in November is not really in the cards. If the evidence was exonerating, the next minute the press would change the subject to how many people are dying in NC due to Trump's inadequate efforts to rescue them or something else and the K accusations would be instantly memory holed.

    Once you start holding more public hearings where the competitors for the 2020 Dem. nomination start competing with each other to show who is more virtuous you have lost control of the narrative.

    Well yeah, that’s the point. We _have_ lost control of the narrative, we’re not in a position to try to say otherwise. We can, now or at a later time, just push the nomination through on a party line vote, but really we need a couple of ticks in our favor regarding the info generated out of the news cycle before we try to draw a line under this.

    If we do get some good (for us) information in the next day or week or whatever, we can use that against the Democratic candidates or liberals in general. Even if the narrative isn’t going our way right now, there is one thing we do have. Regardless of whether it was an innocent mistake, incompetence, or malevolence, the reason that we’re going through this now is because a Democrat Senator sat on this for at least six weeks.

    Ie, if we put the Democrats in power that means they are going to take us for a ride on a wild goose chase to serve their short term political battles and do nothing for us.

  99. More than 200 women who attended the same all-girls school as Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s accuser have signed an open letter supporting her allegations of sexual assault when they were both high school students.

    Kavanaugh will withdraw in the next few days. The truth has absolutely nothing to do with this.

  100. @Lot
    That's funny but if your parents stopped paying their mortgage would you

    1. Know the name of the foreclose judge

    2. Hate her

    3. Bear a grudge against her son 20 years later?

    Depends.
    Let’s say the properties were valuable, Blasey just missed getting to the Bank by 5 o’clock on a Friday, and the bank foreclosed immediately.
    You’d be likely to remember a lot of details about that.

    • Replies: @Lot
    "Foreclosed immediately" hahahah.

    Nobody gets foreclosed in those circumstances. More like failed to make any payment for at least 3 months. Some banks will wait more like 9 to 12 months.
  101. @Lot
    Sure, but I'd expect 99% of foreclosures are not seriously contested. Is there an indication in the court record otherwise?

    Some crazy or dishonest people lie to delay a foreclosure and live rent free for a while. That would be an odd thing for an attorney to do, could result in disbarred or career ending sanctions.

    The judges who get hated on by the parties are criminal and family law judges.

    You’re assuming a house was foreclosed.

    It may have been commercial property, motels, a shopping centre, etc..

    • Replies: @Lot
    From the screenshot of the docket, it seemed like a residential address to me.
  102. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:

    Does she ‘deserve to be heard”?

    Not so much. Maybe she deserved to be heard weeks ago, months ago, or years ago. And she has been heard. This is a charge that its unfalsifiable.

    At least he wasn’t outed as being thoroughly beta, like Thomas.

    Maybe this is unjustly hurting Kav’s feelings. He was a minor, after all. If he actually raped her and was caught, it would be a sealed record. I never saw Michael Brown’s juvie record. And that is to protect the feelings of the dead.

  103. Is that because you think Kavanaugh is guilty or because you think that Mark Judge, if he wasn’t a conservative, would lie even if he knew that Kavanaugh was innocent?

    This is a classic case of she-said-he-said except that Kavanaugh has a witness who corroborates his version of events and Ford doesn’t. Why did she wait ~thirty-six years? Why did Diane Feinstein wait three months? Proceed with the confirmation. The message that needs to be sent is that, as with Clarence Thomas, we’re not going to ruin someone’s life over an accusation with no corroborating evidence.

  104. In my 20s, I was an EMT in an all-volunteer ambulance service. One midnight call was for a head-on collision, both cars crumpled and both drivers badly hurt (this was before air bags), “mine” with a chest injury from impacting the steering wheel. Once the Fire Dept. cut him out, I looked down at his right leg to see bone ends sticking out — a compound fracture. But I was at his head supplying oxygen, other EMTs quickly put anti-shock pressure pants on him, and we were on our way to the hospital. (Lower extremity injuries are not priorities when somebody has such severe airway issues.)

    At the debriefing a week later, I was astonished to learn that this guy had not broken his leg. There had been deep lacerations exposing bone and fat, but no bone ends. In the heat of the moment, I had added that detail myself. But I would have passed a lie detector test with flying colors.

    People seem to think that Ms. Ford is either correctly recounting this incident. or else knowingly exaggerating or fabricating Kavanaugh’s actions. My anecdote suggests a third possibility.

    Ford has had decades to mull over what happened at that party, so that the details make sense in terms of her own life story, and how she sees the world. I have no doubt that she’d pass a lie detector test with flying colors. But what can be gleaned about the actual events, and what they reveal about the teenaged Kavanaugh’s character? Not much.

    I suspect that Chuck Schumer sees this in much the same way. But for his team, “all’s fair in war.” And Senator Franken should not have been #MeToo’d in vain.

    • Replies: @Jeff77450
    A valid point and very well said.
    , @Lot
    Yes, two drunk boys who like wrestling with each other thought it would be funny to make the new girl join in. Once they fell onto the bed, they felt her up a bit, but seeing her negative reaction let her go.

    She mentioned they were laughing the whole time and stumbling. No way it was an attempted rape, but they acted to put a reasonable fear of rape in her mind, which is an awful thing to do to a 15 year old girl, even if most mentally healthy girls would shrug off the whole thing.

    If this is something like what happened, he could have explained it with a proper spin emphasizing his youth and intoxicated state and only people who were going to vote against him anyway would hold it against him.

    He may still end up taking this route.
  105. @Jack D
    You didn't attend a boys Catholic school. Catholics have a different relationship to alcohol than other religions because it's one of the few things that's not a sin in their book. Drinking alcohol is literally one of the sacraments of their religion. Hell, they have branches of their clergy that actually make the stuff.

    Old joke from way back:

    Q: “Why do Catholics smoke and drink so much?”
    A: “It’s all we’re allowed to do.”

  106. @ic1000
    In my 20s, I was an EMT in an all-volunteer ambulance service. One midnight call was for a head-on collision, both cars crumpled and both drivers badly hurt (this was before air bags), "mine" with a chest injury from impacting the steering wheel. Once the Fire Dept. cut him out, I looked down at his right leg to see bone ends sticking out -- a compound fracture. But I was at his head supplying oxygen, other EMTs quickly put anti-shock pressure pants on him, and we were on our way to the hospital. (Lower extremity injuries are not priorities when somebody has such severe airway issues.)

    At the debriefing a week later, I was astonished to learn that this guy had not broken his leg. There had been deep lacerations exposing bone and fat, but no bone ends. In the heat of the moment, I had added that detail myself. But I would have passed a lie detector test with flying colors.

    People seem to think that Ms. Ford is either correctly recounting this incident. or else knowingly exaggerating or fabricating Kavanaugh's actions. My anecdote suggests a third possibility.

    Ford has had decades to mull over what happened at that party, so that the details make sense in terms of her own life story, and how she sees the world. I have no doubt that she'd pass a lie detector test with flying colors. But what can be gleaned about the actual events, and what they reveal about the teenaged Kavanaugh's character? Not much.

    I suspect that Chuck Schumer sees this in much the same way. But for his team, "all's fair in war." And Senator Franken should not have been #MeToo'd in vain.

    A valid point and very well said.

  107. @Peter Akuleyev
    Um, treat it as a confession to sexual assault, as would a number of Republicans, and that would be the end of his nomination.

    It wouldn't be a confession. It is fairly well established that Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker in high school. If he doesn't remember, he doesn't remember. He can even afford to act empathetic in this particular case. The accuser also knows he was drunk.

    Normies always think an apology will resolve any dispute. Normies also believe that when other people apologize, whether it’s to themselves or to a third party, they are confessing to a wrong-doing. If Kavanaugh makes any sort of apology what-so-ever, he will be finished not only as a SC judge but as any sort of judge and will likely be disbarred. His career will be over and he will be looked at as a sex offender whether forced to register or not. Any sort of apology like you’re suggesting will be taken by almost everyone as a confession that he got drunk, got her drunk and then raped her. He might not get charged for sexual assault but his law career and his personal life as an upstanding member of the community will effectively be over.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  108. It’s great that Don Jr has jokes but Republicans ought to show some awareness that every single candidate of theirs is going to be accused of glass table rape from now on.

  109. @anon
    You're assuming a house was foreclosed.

    It may have been commercial property, motels, a shopping centre, etc..

    From the screenshot of the docket, it seemed like a residential address to me.

  110. @ic1000
    In my 20s, I was an EMT in an all-volunteer ambulance service. One midnight call was for a head-on collision, both cars crumpled and both drivers badly hurt (this was before air bags), "mine" with a chest injury from impacting the steering wheel. Once the Fire Dept. cut him out, I looked down at his right leg to see bone ends sticking out -- a compound fracture. But I was at his head supplying oxygen, other EMTs quickly put anti-shock pressure pants on him, and we were on our way to the hospital. (Lower extremity injuries are not priorities when somebody has such severe airway issues.)

    At the debriefing a week later, I was astonished to learn that this guy had not broken his leg. There had been deep lacerations exposing bone and fat, but no bone ends. In the heat of the moment, I had added that detail myself. But I would have passed a lie detector test with flying colors.

    People seem to think that Ms. Ford is either correctly recounting this incident. or else knowingly exaggerating or fabricating Kavanaugh's actions. My anecdote suggests a third possibility.

    Ford has had decades to mull over what happened at that party, so that the details make sense in terms of her own life story, and how she sees the world. I have no doubt that she'd pass a lie detector test with flying colors. But what can be gleaned about the actual events, and what they reveal about the teenaged Kavanaugh's character? Not much.

    I suspect that Chuck Schumer sees this in much the same way. But for his team, "all's fair in war." And Senator Franken should not have been #MeToo'd in vain.

    Yes, two drunk boys who like wrestling with each other thought it would be funny to make the new girl join in. Once they fell onto the bed, they felt her up a bit, but seeing her negative reaction let her go.

    She mentioned they were laughing the whole time and stumbling. No way it was an attempted rape, but they acted to put a reasonable fear of rape in her mind, which is an awful thing to do to a 15 year old girl, even if most mentally healthy girls would shrug off the whole thing.

    If this is something like what happened, he could have explained it with a proper spin emphasizing his youth and intoxicated state and only people who were going to vote against him anyway would hold it against him.

    He may still end up taking this route.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    > two drunk boys who like wrestling with each other thought it would be funny to make the new girl join in. Once they fell onto the bed, they felt her up a bit, but seeing her negative reaction let her go.

    That'd be my guess. But it could have been edgier than that, a little -- Ford's telling is that she escaped, but IRL that only would have happened with the males' acquiescence. Or it could have been close to nothing.

    This puts Kavanaugh in a bind that's delightful for the Democrats and their media subsidiaries. Belatedly apologizing for edgy boorishness is next-door to an apology for attempted rape. If it was merely horseplay... well, Ms. Ford sure doesn't see it that way, are you calling all women liars? Best of all is if the event was so trite as to blur into other boozy parties. Apologizing for something you did that you honestly can't recall... yep, that just oozes sincere contriteness.

    From having watched House of Cards, I'm sure that the Democratic leadership appreciates this situation in full.
    , @Jack D

    He may still end up taking this route.
     
    No, no, a thousand times no. He won't take this route, nor should he or his life will be destroyed over this 35 year old incident. See what Fred wrote. All he can and should do (and again REGARDLESS of what actually happened - who really give a F*CK what happened 35 years ago when he was in high school - this is just a high tech lynching, as Clarence Thomas put it in order to deny Trump his nominee) is deny, deny, deny. Unless the Dems can come up with a smoking gun (and if they can, it's all over for him anyway) then this is his route to salvation. The Republican Senators are a bunch of cucks but they won't "convict" K based on pure he says/she says without anything more to back it.

    The latest news is that there will be more hearings. The lady will say one thing and the Republicans will grill her lightly so as not to appear mean, but still her story has holes in it. Then K will say the opposite and the Dems will compete to call him a liar and try to tear him to shreds, but K will be well rehearsed and will stand his ground.

    Then BARRING ANY MORE LAST MINUTE "OCTOBER SURPRISES" he will be confirmed and will spend the next 40 years detesting liberals and all their works. The Dems know this and will try with all their might to prevent him getting on, because if they fail, there is zero chance that he will turn Souter. He is going to be Clarence Thomas II and burn with hatred at the phony Washington establishment for the rest of his life.
  111. @anon
    Depends.
    Let's say the properties were valuable, Blasey just missed getting to the Bank by 5 o'clock on a Friday, and the bank foreclosed immediately.
    You'd be likely to remember a lot of details about that.

    “Foreclosed immediately” hahahah.

    Nobody gets foreclosed in those circumstances. More like failed to make any payment for at least 3 months. Some banks will wait more like 9 to 12 months.

    • Replies: @anon

    Nobody gets foreclosed in those circumstances. More like failed to make any payment for at least 3 months. Some banks will wait more like 9 to 12 months.
     
    Happened to a smartarse I know.
    Owned 2 motels, never missed a payment, missed the Bank on Friday arvo, no worries, and the Bank had repossessed both motels by Monday morning.
    That was an Australian Bank [Australia's Favourite Bank], but maybe U.S. Banks are better behaved.
  112. Do they ever get around to mentioning that the article was, in fact, a complete hoax?

    There’s no way Ford elects to testify before Congress.

  113. @Lot
    Yes, two drunk boys who like wrestling with each other thought it would be funny to make the new girl join in. Once they fell onto the bed, they felt her up a bit, but seeing her negative reaction let her go.

    She mentioned they were laughing the whole time and stumbling. No way it was an attempted rape, but they acted to put a reasonable fear of rape in her mind, which is an awful thing to do to a 15 year old girl, even if most mentally healthy girls would shrug off the whole thing.

    If this is something like what happened, he could have explained it with a proper spin emphasizing his youth and intoxicated state and only people who were going to vote against him anyway would hold it against him.

    He may still end up taking this route.

    > two drunk boys who like wrestling with each other thought it would be funny to make the new girl join in. Once they fell onto the bed, they felt her up a bit, but seeing her negative reaction let her go.

    That’d be my guess. But it could have been edgier than that, a little — Ford’s telling is that she escaped, but IRL that only would have happened with the males’ acquiescence. Or it could have been close to nothing.

    This puts Kavanaugh in a bind that’s delightful for the Democrats and their media subsidiaries. Belatedly apologizing for edgy boorishness is next-door to an apology for attempted rape. If it was merely horseplay… well, Ms. Ford sure doesn’t see it that way, are you calling all women liars? Best of all is if the event was so trite as to blur into other boozy parties. Apologizing for something you did that you honestly can’t recall… yep, that just oozes sincere contriteness.

    From having watched House of Cards, I’m sure that the Democratic leadership appreciates this situation in full.

    • Replies: @Anthony Wayne
    What of the 300+ women who have endorsed Kavanaugh’s morality and deemed him incapable of such an action? Personally, I choose to believe women.
    , @Lot
    Edgier than I described? Perhaps they may have briefly wanted to put that fear into her, especially if she is correct they covered her mouth and turned up the music. Something to be ashamed of, but not disqualifying from high public office. Lying to senators about it, and not just spinning it, I expect will not be forgivable to the swing senators.

    If anything, Manchin, Tester, Collins, Murkowski etc would love to be able to vote no on Kav and then yes on his very similar replacement.
  114. Anonymous [AKA "Intern"] says:

    This entire mess is Charles Grassely’s fault for failing to anticipate the (quite predictable) lengths to which Democratic left would go to scuttle this nomination, and to structure the confirmation process in a manner that would preclude an event such as this. The hearings should have been cut short after they degenerated into an appalling shit show in the first seven minutes. The committee vote should have been held immediately after the truncated hearings, and the Senate vote held immediately thereafter.

    Charles Grassley is an honorable man and has been the unsung hero of the Senate investigation into the corruption of the Democratic party in the 2016 election, but he completely botched this nomination process and must take responsibility. He needs to resign his seat as the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, effective immediately.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  115. @Anonymous

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: “Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don’t remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. ”

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?
     
    Exactly. This is the best response EVEN IF Kavanaugh is 100% innocent in the matter.

    The alternative would be to remove ALL DOUBT. That is simply impossible.

    Kavanaugh's bumbling response indicates a serious lack of street smarts.

    As part of the PIVOT TO THE MIDDLE CLASS, Trump should find a solid nominee from a state college background who was not anointed at the age of 16 or 18.

    My grandfather was at Georgetown Prep, and a possible nominee to the Supreme Court, Adrian Vermeule, is somebody I share an uncle with (well, my uncle and his great-uncle: I keep having to remind myself that I am indeed “old”).

    Nevertheless I agree with you 100%: the American upper class is not up to the challenges of civilisational failure. Its members are too well brought up to respond with the brutal decisiveness which are now our only hope.

    Let’s have a smart tough-minded working or lower middle class rough diamond who is not impressed by anything but the intentions of our Founding Fathers and who will not blanche, but rather sigh with relief, when he finds himself disinvited from the DC cocktail circuit.

    • Agree: Desiderius, Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Lot
    Hardiman was a front runner and from a blue collar family. Trump's sister pushed him too. Coulter and perhaps Miller didn't like some soft on illegals decisions he made. Kav by contrast was solid on immigration cases.

    He is a possible replacement.
  116. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "BTW, Trump might have avoided this problem if he had simply chosen the chick."

    Hells nah. She's a virtue-signaler fashionably kitted out with the requisite adopted Shithole-Americans. Utterly compromised. She'd be another Roberts craving accolades from the Jew York Times and Washington Compost and she'd give white men the middle finger with every decision.

    Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh is married to a cute younger woman who keeps herself in shape (a healthy sign of respect for her man) and two daughters who look like him. Too bad he doesn't have a son, but you can't always get....

    Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh is married to a cute younger woman who keeps herself in shape (a healthy sign of respect for her man) and two daughters who look like him. Too bad he doesn’t have a son, but you can’t always get….

    Strangely enough his two daughters are called Elizabeth (also called Liza) and Margaret, mirroring Queen Elizabeth II and her sister Princess Margaret. As King George VI said to his wife Elizabeth: “Too bad we don’t have a son. I can see him doing very well for himself.”

    I don’t know if he is a rapist, but he seems like an Anglophile. Judge Gorsuch is also married to an Englishwoman, Louise, so the tendency to Anglophilia must coexist with the judicial temperament. Gorsuch met her at, where else, Oxford, where so many famous individuals have met their spouses.

    Princess Louise was, of course, the fourth daughter of Queen Victoria. Gorsuch’s daughters are Emma and Belinda. Emma is the name of the eponymous hero of a Jane Austen novel, and Belinda is also the name of an obscure nineteenth century English novel by Maria Edgworth.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Justice Breyer's wife is an English aristocrat.
  117. Dems won’t hold hearings… another Jackie Coakley but Corker, Flake and Collins all said they will vote no. They are all switching parties as real power lies with Dems and their hereditary oligarchy.

    Trump is likely toast. God save us from President Kamala

  118. @ic1000
    > two drunk boys who like wrestling with each other thought it would be funny to make the new girl join in. Once they fell onto the bed, they felt her up a bit, but seeing her negative reaction let her go.

    That'd be my guess. But it could have been edgier than that, a little -- Ford's telling is that she escaped, but IRL that only would have happened with the males' acquiescence. Or it could have been close to nothing.

    This puts Kavanaugh in a bind that's delightful for the Democrats and their media subsidiaries. Belatedly apologizing for edgy boorishness is next-door to an apology for attempted rape. If it was merely horseplay... well, Ms. Ford sure doesn't see it that way, are you calling all women liars? Best of all is if the event was so trite as to blur into other boozy parties. Apologizing for something you did that you honestly can't recall... yep, that just oozes sincere contriteness.

    From having watched House of Cards, I'm sure that the Democratic leadership appreciates this situation in full.

    What of the 300+ women who have endorsed Kavanaugh’s morality and deemed him incapable of such an action? Personally, I choose to believe women.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic commenter
    Indeed. I think the accuser is simply lying!
    , @Jack D

    What of the 300+ women who have endorsed Kavanaugh’s morality and deemed him incapable of such an action?
     
    Honestly - nothing, absolutely nothing. I'm sure there are Catholic priests/child molesters who could have produced endorsements from twice as many women. This endorsements don't prove a thing. People sometimes have Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde aspects to their personality where "Mr. Hyde" comes out when they are drunk or under the influence of drugs and they know that they are not being watched. I'm sure the mature K would never do such a thing, but the 16 year old K - I dunno (and don't care). The endorsements are just Kabuki theater for the rubes and have no bearing on his guilt or innocence.
  119. @Anonymous
    What you wrote is a confession.

    He should say one sentence.

    "I did not do that."

    Done. End of.

    A lot of Peter’s comments seem to be the equivalent of an assistant coach for the Eagles trotting over to the Patriot’s bench in the middle of the Super Bowl and telling them “let me help you guys out, here are diagrams of some plays you can run including the signals. This will help you score more points.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    Agreed. These proposed strategies where he admits to something, regardless of his innocence, are egregiously bad.
  120. @Peter Akuleyev
    The problem for Kavanaugh is that he is being defensive and trying to prove his innocence in ways that make it look like he's guilty. Who tracks down 65 old acquaintances and asks them to sign a letter that says "I wasn't rapey!" Makes him look very weak.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: "Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don't remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. "

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders. Kavanaugh is falling into the Democratic trap of trying to spin everything, he is coming across as another coddled elite who never suffers consequences for anything and never takes responsibility.

    Most people are misinformed about this: the women wrote and signed that letter of their own volition. It was not a project of Grassley’s or Kavanaugh’s

  121. @Keypusher
    I don’t know when, if ever, sabermetricians ignored park effects. James talks about them incessantly in his books. Your link in your earlier post puts Judge at #44, not #35 — exactly where James had him 15 years ago. James also considered the run-scoring context, so he wouldn’t penalize Judge for starting his career in the deadball era. Indeed, James ranked Honus Wagner’s 1908 season as the greatest of all time, ahead of any of Babe Ruth’s seasons, precisely because of the run-scoring context and park effects.

    It’s a shame Bill James decided to turn a blind eye to steroids, HGH and the rest, but in general he’s one of the good guys. He’s a Noticer. In the 2003 abstract he mocked Title IX (we’re pretending that girls are as interested in sports as boys) and praised Jackie Robinson for supporting Nixon in 1960 and Goldwater in 1964. Of course he wouldn’t dare write anything like that today.

    Jackie Robinson supported Nixon in 1960 but was very (he backed Nelson Rockefeller) anti-Goldwater in 1964.

    See Lionel Lokos book, “Hysteria 1964: The Fear Campaign Against Barry Goldwater.”

    • Replies: @keypusher
    I am sure you (and Lokos) are right. I'm just paraphrasing Bill James re Goldwater and Robinson.
  122. @Alfa158
    A lot of Peter’s comments seem to be the equivalent of an assistant coach for the Eagles trotting over to the Patriot’s bench in the middle of the Super Bowl and telling them “let me help you guys out, here are diagrams of some plays you can run including the signals. This will help you score more points.”

    Agreed. These proposed strategies where he admits to something, regardless of his innocence, are egregiously bad.

  123. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Flake cucked:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-17/she-must-be-heard-republicans-join-fight-delay-kavanaugh-confirmation-vote

    McInsane must be smiling down in the bowels of Hell.

    “Flake cucked.”

    It would have been a surprise if he hadn’t.

  124. Kavanaugh has a witness supporting him, this woman does not. Kavanaugh has a sterling reputation, this woman’s students say she was disturbed. Kavanaugh’s mother ruled against this woman’s parents in a foreclosure. In a court of law this would not even be close. And people think he should apologize? They would crucify him. All he should do is flat out deny. DENY. And say he thought the US was a better place than this and he hopes one day it will be again.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Different Christines. Christine A. Ford at Fullerton got mostly meh ratings plus a few who trashed her. Christine Blasey Ford at Palo Alto doesn't have a RateMyProfessors page. Don't know if she ever had; some conjecture she has deleted it, but students actually create the page, not the professor.
    , @Jack D
    1. The witness is also his co-conspirator and has equally good reason to lie.
    2. Sterling reputation doesn't prove anything. Her students said nothing of the kind.
    3. K's mother, as the rotating hearings judge that day, signed off on a routine settlement agreement between the mortgage lender and her parents (they settled the foreclosure and continued to live in the house for many years). Just a coincidence and would not have led to any animosity.

    I agree that he should deny, deny, deny but your "evidence" doesn't really hold water.
  125. This happened in the days before safe rooms, puppy therapy, microaggressions, and trigger warnings. You gonna tell me this girl didn’t run downstairs and tell the other girls to watch out for the @$$#0/3?

  126. @Lurker
    Am I the only person in this thread starting to get confused about references to someone called 'Judge' and someone who is a judge?

    Nope. I was hoping for a connection with Mike Judge, so there’d be a scene of Daria heaping scorn on Beavis and Butt-Head when they tried to hit on her.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I actually misread it as Mike Judge to start with, realised that was wishful thinking, then I was hoping for at least an iSteve Judge family connection to pop up.
  127. @Jonathan Mason

    Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh is married to a cute younger woman who keeps herself in shape (a healthy sign of respect for her man) and two daughters who look like him. Too bad he doesn’t have a son, but you can’t always get….
     
    Strangely enough his two daughters are called Elizabeth (also called Liza) and Margaret, mirroring Queen Elizabeth II and her sister Princess Margaret. As King George VI said to his wife Elizabeth: "Too bad we don't have a son. I can see him doing very well for himself."

    I don't know if he is a rapist, but he seems like an Anglophile. Judge Gorsuch is also married to an Englishwoman, Louise, so the tendency to Anglophilia must coexist with the judicial temperament. Gorsuch met her at, where else, Oxford, where so many famous individuals have met their spouses.

    Princess Louise was, of course, the fourth daughter of Queen Victoria. Gorsuch's daughters are Emma and Belinda. Emma is the name of the eponymous hero of a Jane Austen novel, and Belinda is also the name of an obscure nineteenth century English novel by Maria Edgworth.

    Justice Breyer’s wife is an English aristocrat.

  128. @Rob McX
    Who knows, Brett Kavanaugh's grandchildren may be fighting her grandchildren over this fifty years from now. It could play out like a more upmarket version of the Hatfields and McCoys.

    ‘Tis but thy name that is mine enemy.

  129. @Boethiuss

    The problem for Kavanaugh is that he is being defensive and trying to prove his innocence in ways that make it look like he’s guilty. Who tracks down 65 old acquaintances and asks them to sign a letter that says “I wasn’t rapey!” Makes him look very weak.

    If he just said the following, the story would end tomorrow: “Look, when I was 17 I often drank irresponsibly. I don’t remember the events Ms. Ford is describing, but I may well have done stupid things when I was drunk and immature. I apologize to Ms. Ford for any harm I may have caused her, and I think in the subsequent 35 years I have demonstrated that I have grown up to be a responsible family man, who does not tolerate or condone that sort of behavior. ”

    What could the Dems possibly do in response?

    Americans are looking for more humanity from their leaders. Kavanaugh is falling into the Democratic trap of trying to spin everything, he is coming across as another coddled elite who never suffers consequences for anything and never takes responsibility.
     
    Yeah, I agree with this for the most part. Though I don't think he could have given the statement you make on his behalf. It's not clear that he knew until yesterday who was accusing him, and what he was being accused of. The same with the letter from 65 women. If they don't know what they're trying to rebut, all they can do is come up with a general character reference.

    I read somewhere, maybe iSteve, talking about the Mizzou BLM football protests as being the product of a perfect storm, regarding the team's record, the coach, etc. I think we're looking at a similar situation here, regarding the timing of Sen Feinstein's disclosures, and the rest of it.

    In general, the idea behind most of the other comments here seems to be about how to deflect or minimize the impact of these accusations based on the assumption that they are more or less true, like your statement for example. Most of the time that would be right, but because of the timing now we have to fight the accusation on the merits. And if we can't win, at least to the extent of disproving "attempted rape", we might have to find a new nominee.

    The same with the letter from 65 women. If they don’t know what they’re trying to rebut, all they can do is come up with a general character reference.

    The problem is saying he’s honorable implies he never hit on them. It doesn’t address the issue of whether he got violent when he made a move.

    What is needed is a few women who made out with him and can tesify that “he

    a) whined and begged a lot;
    b) said he could go blind or crippled if I didn’t ease his misery;
    c) reminded me how much he paid for dinner and the movie;
    d) promised to love me forever; or
    e) said my skin was so soft and asked if I used baby oil.”

    There’s a difference between an incipient rapist and your basic teenage dawg. Dawgs don’t use force, because that would be admitting failure in seduction. Most guys like to be reassured of their prowess in charming you into it ….

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    e) said my skin was so soft and asked if I used baby oil.”
     
    What is the meaning of this statement? Why would someone say it?
  130. It’s just such a shame that the women that John Roberts, Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch (and Antonin Scalia…) raped weren’t empowered enough to come forward.

  131. @Jack D
    More bad advice. It's one thing to say, vaguely, "I liked to party when I was in high school". It's another thing to say "I was blackout drunk on that particular evening. I was so drunk that I may have tried to rape a woman but I was so drunk that I have no recollection of that evening."

    It’s funny how being blackout drunk is a carte blanche for female behavior but no defense at all for the rest of us. Quite a riddle.

  132. @ic1000
    > two drunk boys who like wrestling with each other thought it would be funny to make the new girl join in. Once they fell onto the bed, they felt her up a bit, but seeing her negative reaction let her go.

    That'd be my guess. But it could have been edgier than that, a little -- Ford's telling is that she escaped, but IRL that only would have happened with the males' acquiescence. Or it could have been close to nothing.

    This puts Kavanaugh in a bind that's delightful for the Democrats and their media subsidiaries. Belatedly apologizing for edgy boorishness is next-door to an apology for attempted rape. If it was merely horseplay... well, Ms. Ford sure doesn't see it that way, are you calling all women liars? Best of all is if the event was so trite as to blur into other boozy parties. Apologizing for something you did that you honestly can't recall... yep, that just oozes sincere contriteness.

    From having watched House of Cards, I'm sure that the Democratic leadership appreciates this situation in full.

    Edgier than I described? Perhaps they may have briefly wanted to put that fear into her, especially if she is correct they covered her mouth and turned up the music. Something to be ashamed of, but not disqualifying from high public office. Lying to senators about it, and not just spinning it, I expect will not be forgivable to the swing senators.

    If anything, Manchin, Tester, Collins, Murkowski etc would love to be able to vote no on Kav and then yes on his very similar replacement.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    Sorry, Lot, I wasn't clear. I meant "edgier than Lot's quoted first paragraph from Comment 113",

    two drunk boys who like wrestling with each other thought it would be funny to make the new girl join in. Once they fell onto the bed, they felt her up a bit, but seeing her negative reaction let her go.
     
    But in paragraph 2, you added, "No way it was an attempted rape, but they acted to put a reasonable fear of rape in her mind". Which ratchets "edginess" to the edge of plausibility, given Ford's claim that she escaped to the bathroom and then left the house. To the extent her recollections are correct, she got out because the boys let her, which contrasts with her fear of being raped or killed.

    Here is yesterday's Washington Post article that ignited the furore. Kavanaugh denied any involvement, and tonight he claimed that he was not at the party that Ford recalls. Ford also accused Mark Judge of participating in the alleged assault, and named the two other boys who she has placed at the party.

    So I suppose there will be those stories, or absence of stories, to evaluate next Monday, in this last-minute he-said/she-said saga of pubic hair on a Coke can drunk teenagers c. 1982.

    > If anything, Manchin, Tester, Collins, Murkowski etc would love to be able to vote no on Kav and then yes on his very similar replacement.

    Lion of the Blogosphere speculates that "the Democratic game plan is to gain control of the Senate and then leave the Supreme Court at 4-4 rather than affirm a 5-4 conservative majority, [as a] 4-4 Court wouldn’t be able to reverse anti-Trump lower court decisions." But that would only be true in a House of Cards world, which has nothing to do with how Washington DC's deep state works.

  133. @Old Palo Altan
    My grandfather was at Georgetown Prep, and a possible nominee to the Supreme Court, Adrian Vermeule, is somebody I share an uncle with (well, my uncle and his great-uncle: I keep having to remind myself that I am indeed "old").

    Nevertheless I agree with you 100%: the American upper class is not up to the challenges of civilisational failure. Its members are too well brought up to respond with the brutal decisiveness which are now our only hope.

    Let's have a smart tough-minded working or lower middle class rough diamond who is not impressed by anything but the intentions of our Founding Fathers and who will not blanche, but rather sigh with relief, when he finds himself disinvited from the DC cocktail circuit.

    Hardiman was a front runner and from a blue collar family. Trump’s sister pushed him too. Coulter and perhaps Miller didn’t like some soft on illegals decisions he made. Kav by contrast was solid on immigration cases.

    He is a possible replacement.

  134. @Tom Scarlett
    The top journalist on this beat is Ronan Farrow, a homosexual. His "partner" is former Obama staffer Jon Lovett. Unable to participate in the chain of life through normal sex, Farrow devotes his talents to persecuting those men who seize the opportunities life puts in front of them.

    As a little boy, Farrow was the subject of a very bitter custody battle that was won by his mother. This probably explains his homosexuality.

    Recall when the story first surfaced, Farrow called Mark Judge and said “I’m sure you’re familiar with the contents of the letter.” Judge didn’t know what he was talking about at all.

  135. @Lot
    Baker is a giant law firm with hundreds of lawyers and a million clients.

    A large law firm is a heavily gated and secured small town whose population has common moneyflow interests and policy direction from its “city fathers.”

    The latter direction is based on performing hermetic wordmagic for other gated groups and city fathers.

    These clusters of power, influence, and affiliation (relationship) matter. So does extended individual involvement in them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The latter direction is based on performing hermetic wordmagic for other gated groups and city fathers.
     
    Could you explain what "hermetic wordmagic" is?
  136. @Anthony Wayne
    What of the 300+ women who have endorsed Kavanaugh’s morality and deemed him incapable of such an action? Personally, I choose to believe women.

    Indeed. I think the accuser is simply lying!

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The latter direction is based on performing hermetic wordmagic for other gated groups and city fathers.
     
    Is a lie justified if it is intended to weaken the next Hitler and prevent another Holocaust?
  137. @Boethiuss
    This is a situation where Sen Feinstein's incompetence is going to end up helping the Democrats and hurting us.

    The unfortunate situation is that these accusations don't really register much in terms of crime but for this situation are unfortunately credible at the moment. And what I really fear is that in the next week or so they are going to get more credible.

    Because we're with Trump, and Trump got caught on tape and all the rest of it. Because there's Weinstein and the rest of #metoo. Because there is a midterm election coming up shortly, that's being polarized on sexual lines, where the Republicans are vulnerable to college degree women voting against us, even if it's not prosecutable as a crime, the Republicans aren't in a position to try to sweep this under the rug.

    I want to hope that this woman made the whole thing up Dan-Rather-style, but she didn't, for a couple of reasons. She not only named Kavanaugh, but also Mark Judge as well, ie another witness who is a position to deny this (and has). And the fact that she was willing to let the nomination go forward until she was indirectly outed by Feinstein. So the Dan Rather thing is not very likely.

    This doesn't mean that Kavanaugh can't be confirmed (though if we could execute better our best move might be to withdraw the nomination). It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape.

    Lord have mercy we may have just reached peak cuck concern troll stupid with this comment. Paging Mr. Hanson for straight thinking.

  138. Shocked SHOCKED to see the flood of anon commenters and same idiots who think Kavanaugh should apologize/withdraw are the same anons/idiots who, by and large, thought Trump should have quit with every new ginned up media controversy.

    “Forget it Hanson, its AutismBoomerTown.”

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  139. @Ibound1
    Kavanaugh has a witness supporting him, this woman does not. Kavanaugh has a sterling reputation, this woman's students say she was disturbed. Kavanaugh's mother ruled against this woman's parents in a foreclosure. In a court of law this would not even be close. And people think he should apologize? They would crucify him. All he should do is flat out deny. DENY. And say he thought the US was a better place than this and he hopes one day it will be again.

    Different Christines. Christine A. Ford at Fullerton got mostly meh ratings plus a few who trashed her. Christine Blasey Ford at Palo Alto doesn’t have a RateMyProfessors page. Don’t know if she ever had; some conjecture she has deleted it, but students actually create the page, not the professor.

    • Replies: @OFWHAP
    I take bad ratings on RateMyProfessors with a grain of salt regardless. God forbid your professor expects you to put forth a little effort in class!
    , @Ibound1
    Thanks.
    , @Lot
    It appears she mostly or entirely does grad student training. RMyP is focused on big undergraduate classes.
  140. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Flake cucked:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-17/she-must-be-heard-republicans-join-fight-delay-kavanaugh-confirmation-vote

    McInsane must be smiling down in the bowels of Hell.

    Flake cucked:

    We are Flucked.

    McInsane must be smiling down up in the bowels of Hell.

    Requiescat in infernis.

  141. @Jack D
    You didn't attend a boys Catholic school. Catholics have a different relationship to alcohol than other religions because it's one of the few things that's not a sin in their book. Drinking alcohol is literally one of the sacraments of their religion. Hell, they have branches of their clergy that actually make the stuff.

    You are confusing “Catholic” with “Irish”.

    And alcohol cannot be either a sin or a virtue; it is the use of it, as of any other thing, which is either good or bad. Getting “merry” is indeed a virtue, as St Thomas Aquinas taught us (not that we needed the lesson); it is drunkenness, defined as the loss of reason, that most divine of gifts, through excessive consumption of alcohol, which is sinful.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Kavanaugh was both.

    It's an old (and bittersweet) Irish joke that God made alcohol so that the Irish would not take over the world. Maybe in K's case ( I hope not) this will turn out to be literally true.
    , @Lot
    "And alcohol cannot be either a sin or a virtue"

    For many of our ancestors, it also was cleaner than local sources of water.
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    "Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy."

    -- Benjamin Franklin, letter to André Morellet 1779
    , @Anonymous

    it is drunkenness, defined as the loss of reason, that most divine of gifts, through excessive consumption of alcohol, which is sinful.
     
    How is "reason" defined in this context?
  142. @Boethiuss

    Ford’s dad:
     
    There's a lot of stuff on this resume to go broke enough to default on a mortgage.

    Precisely.

    Now imagine a female who, during her time at a super-tony girls’ high school, scored with but didn’t get an offer of matrimony from a well-off prep school boy whom she identifies as one who went on to become a successful lawyer, then SCOTUS clerk, then judge…who apparently managed his adult finances (and marital life) with better outcomes than father did.

    Imagine a father whose daughter at 15 is going into bedrooms with multiple boys, with alcohol involved.

    Well, whatever. POTUS just declassified a bunch of stuff…and ordered release of Page, Strzok, Comey, McCabe, and Ohr text messages. I’m makin’ popcorn.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    Now imagine a female who, during her time at a super-tony girls’ high school, scored with but didn’t get an offer of matrimony from a well-off prep school boy whom she identifies as one who went on to become a successful lawyer, then SCOTUS clerk, then judge…who apparently managed his adult finances (and marital life) with better outcomes than father did.
     
    Yeah, this doesn't really compute. Girls in her situation at the time had aspirations to matrimony in general, but not in high school or shortly thereafter.
  143. @Anon
    OT

    Martine Rothblatt, founder of Sirius satellite radio, on a TED talk interview. Very weird, obviously set up with him to focus on his male-to-female transition, but he acts a bit like he's surprised by the questions. He married a Nigerian woman, who looks like a Planet of the Apes extra, who he, uh, she is still with (and he made a robot, BinaDJ, to duplicate her). All around, a very creepy affect. She makes almost no effort to present as a female.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/martine_rothblatt_my_daughter_my_wife_our_robot_and_the_quest_for_immortality#t-202858

    He's working on genetically modifying pigs so that their lungs can be used in human transplants. He also wants to download his brain into a hard disk so he can be reborn inside a conscious computer.

    His wife and her robot. In the second clip, the robot starts to drool and squint her eyes like she's about the turn Chucky and kill her human counterpart.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYshJRYCArE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IqcRILeCc

    My sense is that these TED things are pay to play, a marketing thing.

    Horrifying; chilling. Lovecraftian, even.

  144. @Rosamond Vincy
    Different Christines. Christine A. Ford at Fullerton got mostly meh ratings plus a few who trashed her. Christine Blasey Ford at Palo Alto doesn't have a RateMyProfessors page. Don't know if she ever had; some conjecture she has deleted it, but students actually create the page, not the professor.

    I take bad ratings on RateMyProfessors with a grain of salt regardless. God forbid your professor expects you to put forth a little effort in class!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    If you pay careful attention to the prose style of comments on Rate My Professors you can augment the number ratings. E.g.,

    1 star: Y u mad bro???

  145. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Teenage male makes awkward attempt to get a piece of cherry pie 35 years ago, film at 11.

    Seriously?

    If this is going to be the standard, we may as well ban hetero males right now. And stop wondering why wypipo aren't marrying or having kids.

    I remember some of the girls at my high school talking about needing the dexterity skills of Gerry Cheevers to intercept the grope attempts of some of the guys they dated.

    For non-Bostonians:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Cheevers

    You can’t talk about Cheevers without mentioning his mask, voted the #1 design in history by the readers of Hockey News.

    http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/17943992/nhl-hockey-hall-fame-most-wanted-mask-boston-bruins-goalie-gerry-cheevers

  146. @Lot
    Yes, two drunk boys who like wrestling with each other thought it would be funny to make the new girl join in. Once they fell onto the bed, they felt her up a bit, but seeing her negative reaction let her go.

    She mentioned they were laughing the whole time and stumbling. No way it was an attempted rape, but they acted to put a reasonable fear of rape in her mind, which is an awful thing to do to a 15 year old girl, even if most mentally healthy girls would shrug off the whole thing.

    If this is something like what happened, he could have explained it with a proper spin emphasizing his youth and intoxicated state and only people who were going to vote against him anyway would hold it against him.

    He may still end up taking this route.

    He may still end up taking this route.

    No, no, a thousand times no. He won’t take this route, nor should he or his life will be destroyed over this 35 year old incident. See what Fred wrote. All he can and should do (and again REGARDLESS of what actually happened – who really give a F*CK what happened 35 years ago when he was in high school – this is just a high tech lynching, as Clarence Thomas put it in order to deny Trump his nominee) is deny, deny, deny. Unless the Dems can come up with a smoking gun (and if they can, it’s all over for him anyway) then this is his route to salvation. The Republican Senators are a bunch of cucks but they won’t “convict” K based on pure he says/she says without anything more to back it.

    The latest news is that there will be more hearings. The lady will say one thing and the Republicans will grill her lightly so as not to appear mean, but still her story has holes in it. Then K will say the opposite and the Dems will compete to call him a liar and try to tear him to shreds, but K will be well rehearsed and will stand his ground.

    Then BARRING ANY MORE LAST MINUTE “OCTOBER SURPRISES” he will be confirmed and will spend the next 40 years detesting liberals and all their works. The Dems know this and will try with all their might to prevent him getting on, because if they fail, there is zero chance that he will turn Souter. He is going to be Clarence Thomas II and burn with hatred at the phony Washington establishment for the rest of his life.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Lot
    You think more highly of Jeff Flake and Susan Collins than I do.

    Also, you are setting up a hypo where they are forced to vote up or down. More likely, they privately say they probably will vote no, no vote is held as a result, they get another Fed Society guy they vote for (maybe in a lame duck after the election), and claim victory for their moderating bipartisan integrity St. McCainish adultyness.

    It could turn out for the best as Dems are already motivated, and nothing like an open USSC seat to turn out evangelicals to vote R.
  147. @OFWHAP
    I take bad ratings on RateMyProfessors with a grain of salt regardless. God forbid your professor expects you to put forth a little effort in class!

    If you pay careful attention to the prose style of comments on Rate My Professors you can augment the number ratings. E.g.,

    1 star: Y u mad bro???

  148. @Anon
    OT

    Martine Rothblatt, founder of Sirius satellite radio, on a TED talk interview. Very weird, obviously set up with him to focus on his male-to-female transition, but he acts a bit like he's surprised by the questions. He married a Nigerian woman, who looks like a Planet of the Apes extra, who he, uh, she is still with (and he made a robot, BinaDJ, to duplicate her). All around, a very creepy affect. She makes almost no effort to present as a female.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/martine_rothblatt_my_daughter_my_wife_our_robot_and_the_quest_for_immortality#t-202858

    He's working on genetically modifying pigs so that their lungs can be used in human transplants. He also wants to download his brain into a hard disk so he can be reborn inside a conscious computer.

    His wife and her robot. In the second clip, the robot starts to drool and squint her eyes like she's about the turn Chucky and kill her human counterpart.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYshJRYCArE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IqcRILeCc

    My sense is that these TED things are pay to play, a marketing thing.

    Regarding Martine Rothblatt and Bina 48: Incredibly trite. There is no original thought in his interview, and his robot’s performance is disappointing.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ...and his robot’s performance is disappointing.
     
    Try horny goatweed. Or Robo-Viagra. Or Ci[ber]alis.
  149. @Old Palo Altan
    You are confusing "Catholic" with "Irish".

    And alcohol cannot be either a sin or a virtue; it is the use of it, as of any other thing, which is either good or bad. Getting "merry" is indeed a virtue, as St Thomas Aquinas taught us (not that we needed the lesson); it is drunkenness, defined as the loss of reason, that most divine of gifts, through excessive consumption of alcohol, which is sinful.

    Kavanaugh was both.

    It’s an old (and bittersweet) Irish joke that God made alcohol so that the Irish would not take over the world. Maybe in K’s case ( I hope not) this will turn out to be literally true.

  150. @Rosamond Vincy
    Different Christines. Christine A. Ford at Fullerton got mostly meh ratings plus a few who trashed her. Christine Blasey Ford at Palo Alto doesn't have a RateMyProfessors page. Don't know if she ever had; some conjecture she has deleted it, but students actually create the page, not the professor.

    Thanks.

  151. Now there are going to be hearings.
    I suspect the reason Dems waited on this is she is not going to come across well and they know it.
    Especially if she is rabid SJWer and did, indeed, try to scrub her social media accounts as alleged.
    An admission of lying for sure.

    Too bad Arlen Specter is pushing daisies.
    I hated his politics and his ego, but he was a pretty smart cookie.
    He devastatingly cross examined Anita Hill.
    Not sure anybody left as good as he was.
    All the Dem cross examiners idiots for sure, as with Thomas hearings.

  152. @Jack D

    He may still end up taking this route.
     
    No, no, a thousand times no. He won't take this route, nor should he or his life will be destroyed over this 35 year old incident. See what Fred wrote. All he can and should do (and again REGARDLESS of what actually happened - who really give a F*CK what happened 35 years ago when he was in high school - this is just a high tech lynching, as Clarence Thomas put it in order to deny Trump his nominee) is deny, deny, deny. Unless the Dems can come up with a smoking gun (and if they can, it's all over for him anyway) then this is his route to salvation. The Republican Senators are a bunch of cucks but they won't "convict" K based on pure he says/she says without anything more to back it.

    The latest news is that there will be more hearings. The lady will say one thing and the Republicans will grill her lightly so as not to appear mean, but still her story has holes in it. Then K will say the opposite and the Dems will compete to call him a liar and try to tear him to shreds, but K will be well rehearsed and will stand his ground.

    Then BARRING ANY MORE LAST MINUTE "OCTOBER SURPRISES" he will be confirmed and will spend the next 40 years detesting liberals and all their works. The Dems know this and will try with all their might to prevent him getting on, because if they fail, there is zero chance that he will turn Souter. He is going to be Clarence Thomas II and burn with hatred at the phony Washington establishment for the rest of his life.

    You think more highly of Jeff Flake and Susan Collins than I do.

    Also, you are setting up a hypo where they are forced to vote up or down. More likely, they privately say they probably will vote no, no vote is held as a result, they get another Fed Society guy they vote for (maybe in a lame duck after the election), and claim victory for their moderating bipartisan integrity St. McCainish adultyness.

    It could turn out for the best as Dems are already motivated, and nothing like an open USSC seat to turn out evangelicals to vote R.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    Yeah, Kav is after all a Bushie and was the McConnell choice. If this farce gets that crowd to hoist the black flag all bets are off.
    , @Mike P.
    If Kavanaugh's nomination is pulled and then the GOP loses the Senate, it is entirely possible that Flake et al will not want to confirm someone else during the lame duck session.
  153. @Old Palo Altan
    You are confusing "Catholic" with "Irish".

    And alcohol cannot be either a sin or a virtue; it is the use of it, as of any other thing, which is either good or bad. Getting "merry" is indeed a virtue, as St Thomas Aquinas taught us (not that we needed the lesson); it is drunkenness, defined as the loss of reason, that most divine of gifts, through excessive consumption of alcohol, which is sinful.

    “And alcohol cannot be either a sin or a virtue”

    For many of our ancestors, it also was cleaner than local sources of water.

  154. @Rosamond Vincy
    Different Christines. Christine A. Ford at Fullerton got mostly meh ratings plus a few who trashed her. Christine Blasey Ford at Palo Alto doesn't have a RateMyProfessors page. Don't know if she ever had; some conjecture she has deleted it, but students actually create the page, not the professor.

    It appears she mostly or entirely does grad student training. RMyP is focused on big undergraduate classes.

  155. @Thomas
    I knew I had seen a movie with Bill Pullman about this exact same story, prospective appointee to a federal judgeship turns out to be a rapist, late one night on cable. Turns out I was right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guilty_(2000_film)

    American liberals think purely in tropes.

    Thomas,

    I can top that:

    Judge nominated for the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia commits murder (of a female file clerk) in order to hide his past collaboration (with a future U.S Supreme Court justice!) on a case they fixed for political purposes.

    Truth is uncovered by gutsy public defender and her boyfriend/juror just in time to unmask the guilty judge on the bench in the courtroom!

    Cher, Dennis Quaid, Liam Neeson, John Mahoney, etc. (No Bill Pullman, but it does have Joe Mantegna, so close enough . . .)

    1987’s “Suspect”

  156. @Buzz Mohawk
    Regarding Martine Rothblatt and Bina 48: Incredibly trite. There is no original thought in his interview, and his robot's performance is disappointing.

    …and his robot’s performance is disappointing.

    Try horny goatweed. Or Robo-Viagra. Or Ci[ber]alis.

  157. @Lot
    You think more highly of Jeff Flake and Susan Collins than I do.

    Also, you are setting up a hypo where they are forced to vote up or down. More likely, they privately say they probably will vote no, no vote is held as a result, they get another Fed Society guy they vote for (maybe in a lame duck after the election), and claim victory for their moderating bipartisan integrity St. McCainish adultyness.

    It could turn out for the best as Dems are already motivated, and nothing like an open USSC seat to turn out evangelicals to vote R.

    Yeah, Kav is after all a Bushie and was the McConnell choice. If this farce gets that crowd to hoist the black flag all bets are off.

  158. @Achilles

    Dear Mr. Zucker,

    I am 38 years old. Some of my little friends say there is no Haven Monahan. Obama says, "If you see it on CNN, it's so." Please tell the truth, is there a Haven Monahan?

    Virginia Cavalier
     

    Virginia Cavalier, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia Cavalier, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

    Yes, Virginia Cavalier, there is a Haven Monahan. He exists as certainly as Hillary's innocence of mishandling classified information and Trump's guilt of collusion with Russia exist, and you know that they are true and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! How dreary would be the world if there were no Haven Monahan. It would be as dreary as if there were no Virginia Cavaliers. There would be no childlike faith in the mainstream media then. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which CNN and MSNBC and The New York Times and The Atlantic and, yes, Rolling Stone, fills the world would be extinguished.

    Not believe in Haven Monahan! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get Obama to station FBI agents to watch in all the fraternities on Rugby Road to catch Haven Monahan, but even if they did not see Haven Monahan chugging a beer or raping a coed, what would that prove? Nobody sees Haven Monahan, but that is no sign that there is no Haven Monahan. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.

    You may tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Virginia Cavalier, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

    No Haven Monahan! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia Cavalier, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of gullible goyim.
     

    The name Zucker got me thinking about the coorelation of that surname and big media.

    Zucker (CNN)
    Zuckerberg (Facebook)
    Zuckerman (Daily News).

    I wonder whether their is a genetic connection to media/news, and if it can be traced back to a particular state (region) of Germany where these three men likely share some genetic material?

    • Replies: @Lot
    They are all from Grosse Rok Kandis Monton, in Bavaria.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4JgN1T1LUK0/Ts_Cu3N6SiI/AAAAAAAAAEg/sQ5XBm5L_iQ/s1600/candyland.jpg
    , @Jack D
    "Zucker" is not a regional name. It is the German word for sugar. Ashkenazi Jews did not take surnames until late in history - sometimes as late as the early 19th century. Among themselves Jews used the "son of" system or else just gave each other insulting nicknames based on disabilities or other physical characteristics ("Blind Joe" vs "Lame Joe"). When the time came to take surnames, they often chose ones that were poetic rather than descriptive - Gold, Rose, Sugar, Iron, Silver, Honey, etc. followed (or not) by -berg (mountain), -man, - stein (stone), etc.
  159. @Lot
    That's funny but if your parents stopped paying their mortgage would you

    1. Know the name of the foreclose judge

    2. Hate her

    3. Bear a grudge against her son 20 years later?

    1. Know the name of the foreclose judge

    2. Hate her

    3. Bear a grudge against her son 20 years later?

    On account of a property that might have been part of her inheritance? Yeah, maybe.

  160. @AndrewR
    I don't even care if he did what this female is accusing him of. It allegedly happened 35 years ago, and he's been a federal judge for 12 years. Why wait until now? Suck it up, hon. Sad her parents never taught her not to party alone with four boys and lots of booze.

    And in the early 1980s, pre-AIDs. Which was probably the most debaucherous era in US history. Seriously.

  161. @Pat Boyle
    I have moral dilemma. I am in a position to destroy Senator Feinstein's reputation in regards to this Judge Kavanaugh nomination. I'm a registered Republican - should I do it.

    Many years ago in the 1970s I founded the Epilepsy Society of San Francisco. To open the office I sought and got a commitment from Council Woman Feinstein's office to cut a ribbon. This was long before she was a Senator or the Mayor, but she was a political celebrity nonetheless. It was considered a coup. Feinstein didn't do these sorts of things often.

    She came. We had a few photos taken and she left.

    But we were alone in the office for a few minutes. I could now claim that she sexually propositioned me. And I refused. That didn't happen but there were no witnesses. We were alone for a short time. I could make such a claim and it would embarrass her and tend to divert attention from the similar claim by this Democrat woman.

    Should I as a free lance unaffiliated Republican operative make this claim of an alleged sex incident that happened decades ago? If the Democrats can make such a claim isn't it incumbent on good Republicans to answer with a story of their own?

    I'm ten years younger than the senator and at the time we met in my office I was good looking. Women in authority have propositioned me when I worked in government. Although I'm a bit to big to actually be physically assaulted. If we as conservatives don't strike back in kind we will always be vulnerable to these kind of "Me Too" sex stories.

    One might ask why I never said anything to anyone in the intervening half century. I have no memory of her being anything but businesslike and appropriate. But suppose I suppressed the memory of a sexual assault by her and that I only recovered the memory of her attack when I saw the Kavanaugh hearings on TV?

    Should I write a letter to the Post too?

    Fantastic and wildly improbable? Maybe. But newsworthy.

    I am in a position to destroy Senator Feinstein’s reputation in regards to this Judge Kavanaugh nomination. ……………………. But we were alone in the office for a few minutes. I could now claim that she sexually propositioned me. …………………………… One might ask why I never said anything to anyone in the intervening half century. I have no memory of her being anything but businesslike and appropriate. But suppose I suppressed the memory of a sexual assault by her and that I only recovered the memory of her attack when I saw the Kavanaugh hearings on TV?

    You just misinterpereted her meaning when she told you “Someday, I’m going to grab your guns.”

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  162. @Lot
    Edgier than I described? Perhaps they may have briefly wanted to put that fear into her, especially if she is correct they covered her mouth and turned up the music. Something to be ashamed of, but not disqualifying from high public office. Lying to senators about it, and not just spinning it, I expect will not be forgivable to the swing senators.

    If anything, Manchin, Tester, Collins, Murkowski etc would love to be able to vote no on Kav and then yes on his very similar replacement.

    Sorry, Lot, I wasn’t clear. I meant “edgier than Lot’s quoted first paragraph from Comment 113”,

    two drunk boys who like wrestling with each other thought it would be funny to make the new girl join in. Once they fell onto the bed, they felt her up a bit, but seeing her negative reaction let her go.

    But in paragraph 2, you added, “No way it was an attempted rape, but they acted to put a reasonable fear of rape in her mind”. Which ratchets “edginess” to the edge of plausibility, given Ford’s claim that she escaped to the bathroom and then left the house. To the extent her recollections are correct, she got out because the boys let her, which contrasts with her fear of being raped or killed.

    Here is yesterday’s Washington Post article that ignited the furore. Kavanaugh denied any involvement, and tonight he claimed that he was not at the party that Ford recalls. Ford also accused Mark Judge of participating in the alleged assault, and named the two other boys who she has placed at the party.

    So I suppose there will be those stories, or absence of stories, to evaluate next Monday, in this last-minute he-said/she-said saga of pubic hair on a Coke can drunk teenagers c. 1982.

    > If anything, Manchin, Tester, Collins, Murkowski etc would love to be able to vote no on Kav and then yes on his very similar replacement.

    Lion of the Blogosphere speculates that “the Democratic game plan is to gain control of the Senate and then leave the Supreme Court at 4-4 rather than affirm a 5-4 conservative majority, [as a] 4-4 Court wouldn’t be able to reverse anti-Trump lower court decisions.” But that would only be true in a House of Cards world, which has nothing to do with how Washington DC’s deep state works.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Blocking any Supreme Court vote on a Trump nominee is never going to happen.

    First, they can ram one through in the lame duck. Probably not one as good as Kav, but there are plenty of options to the right of Kennedy that still gives the R's a win.

    Second, Joe Manchin and Doug Jones would not likely to agree to this strategy.
  163. @anonymous
    Like the "federal" elections held every November in even-numbered years and the 5-4 decrees of the Court, aren't these nailbiting confirmation hearings part of the show that keeps people gulled into accepting that so many things in life are to be run by people in Washington?

    I'm still inclined to the notion that the Constitution was intended, at least by some of its authors and supporters, to create a limited national government. But even by the time of Marbury, those entrusted with those powers have arrogated the authority to define them. In my lifetime, the Court exists to deal with hot potato social issues in lieu of the invertebrate Congress, to forebear (along with the invertebrate Congress) the warmongering and other "foreign policy" waged under auspices of the President, and to dignify the Establishment's shepherding and fleecing of the people.

    Why should a robed, unelected politician be redefining marriage? Entrusted to enforce the Constitutional limitations on the others? Sure, questions like these are posed from time to time in a dissenting Justice's opinion, but that ends the discussion other than in the context of replacing old Justice X with middle-aged Justice Y.

    So before investing much in the critical importance of a Justice Kavanaugh, think back on Justice Roberts and his vote to sustain the Affordable Care Act. Or reflect on how the Court has declined to vindicate free speech when presented with challenges to the Patriot Act, etc.

    Some of the comments here are really sharp, though.

    Totally agree. This is generally a show for the bases prior to the midterms. Intended to get voters juiced and mad.

    There will be more such instances in the coming weeks.

  164. @Old Palo Altan
    You are confusing "Catholic" with "Irish".

    And alcohol cannot be either a sin or a virtue; it is the use of it, as of any other thing, which is either good or bad. Getting "merry" is indeed a virtue, as St Thomas Aquinas taught us (not that we needed the lesson); it is drunkenness, defined as the loss of reason, that most divine of gifts, through excessive consumption of alcohol, which is sinful.

    “Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy.”

    — Benjamin Franklin, letter to André Morellet 1779

  165. @AndrewR
    I don't even care if he did what this female is accusing him of. It allegedly happened 35 years ago, and he's been a federal judge for 12 years. Why wait until now? Suck it up, hon. Sad her parents never taught her not to party alone with four boys and lots of booze.

    Andrew, I thought that libs were all for giving teenagers a second chance. Remember the push for “Ban the Box” as in eliminate the “Have you ever been arrested” box on employment forms.

    • Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    "Andrew, I thought that libs were all for giving teenagers a second chance."

    Yes, but only vibrants.
  166. @Thomas
    I knew I had seen a movie with Bill Pullman about this exact same story, prospective appointee to a federal judgeship turns out to be a rapist, late one night on cable. Turns out I was right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guilty_(2000_film)

    American liberals think purely in tropes.

    I love that you can still be accused of insufficient revolutionary consciousness (a stone’s throw from being objectively pro-Fascist) on debunked phantoms. The important thing isn’t whether or not the story is true, the important thing is that you reacted properly or not. The difference between this and Stalinism is our national weight problem.

  167. @Buffalo Joe
    Andrew, I thought that libs were all for giving teenagers a second chance. Remember the push for "Ban the Box" as in eliminate the "Have you ever been arrested" box on employment forms.

    “Andrew, I thought that libs were all for giving teenagers a second chance.”

    Yes, but only vibrants.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational, AndrewR
  168. @David In TN
    Jackie Robinson supported Nixon in 1960 but was very (he backed Nelson Rockefeller) anti-Goldwater in 1964.

    See Lionel Lokos book, "Hysteria 1964: The Fear Campaign Against Barry Goldwater."

    I am sure you (and Lokos) are right. I’m just paraphrasing Bill James re Goldwater and Robinson.

  169. @Redman
    The name Zucker got me thinking about the coorelation of that surname and big media.

    Zucker (CNN)
    Zuckerberg (Facebook)
    Zuckerman (Daily News).

    I wonder whether their is a genetic connection to media/news, and if it can be traced back to a particular state (region) of Germany where these three men likely share some genetic material?

    They are all from Grosse Rok Kandis Monton, in Bavaria.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  170. anon[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    "Foreclosed immediately" hahahah.

    Nobody gets foreclosed in those circumstances. More like failed to make any payment for at least 3 months. Some banks will wait more like 9 to 12 months.

    Nobody gets foreclosed in those circumstances. More like failed to make any payment for at least 3 months. Some banks will wait more like 9 to 12 months.

    Happened to a smartarse I know.
    Owned 2 motels, never missed a payment, missed the Bank on Friday arvo, no worries, and the Bank had repossessed both motels by Monday morning.
    That was an Australian Bank [Australia’s Favourite Bank], but maybe U.S. Banks are better behaved.

    • Replies: @Lot
    In the US a bank will rarely attempt to foreclose until at least 90 days passes.

    There is no incentive for a gotcha foreclosure on a valuable property. If someone defaults on a 100k debt on a 500k building, after foreclosure there is an auction and the bank gets its 100k loan repaid plus some limited expenses. The 400k or whatever balance from the auction goes to the prior owner.

    Many foreclosure auctions do not attract any bids but the bank's, who will then buy it from the auction and then try to sell it in a normal sale, not the cash-only auction that deters most potential buyers.
    , @Jack D
    Even for commercial property this would be rare, but the rules in almost all US states would not permit such quick action in the case of residential property. There are all kinds of 2nd and 3rd and 4th chances built into the system and indeed in the case of this woman's parents they ended up settling with the bank and lived in the house for many more years.
  171. @ic1000
    Sorry, Lot, I wasn't clear. I meant "edgier than Lot's quoted first paragraph from Comment 113",

    two drunk boys who like wrestling with each other thought it would be funny to make the new girl join in. Once they fell onto the bed, they felt her up a bit, but seeing her negative reaction let her go.
     
    But in paragraph 2, you added, "No way it was an attempted rape, but they acted to put a reasonable fear of rape in her mind". Which ratchets "edginess" to the edge of plausibility, given Ford's claim that she escaped to the bathroom and then left the house. To the extent her recollections are correct, she got out because the boys let her, which contrasts with her fear of being raped or killed.

    Here is yesterday's Washington Post article that ignited the furore. Kavanaugh denied any involvement, and tonight he claimed that he was not at the party that Ford recalls. Ford also accused Mark Judge of participating in the alleged assault, and named the two other boys who she has placed at the party.

    So I suppose there will be those stories, or absence of stories, to evaluate next Monday, in this last-minute he-said/she-said saga of pubic hair on a Coke can drunk teenagers c. 1982.

    > If anything, Manchin, Tester, Collins, Murkowski etc would love to be able to vote no on Kav and then yes on his very similar replacement.

    Lion of the Blogosphere speculates that "the Democratic game plan is to gain control of the Senate and then leave the Supreme Court at 4-4 rather than affirm a 5-4 conservative majority, [as a] 4-4 Court wouldn’t be able to reverse anti-Trump lower court decisions." But that would only be true in a House of Cards world, which has nothing to do with how Washington DC's deep state works.

    Blocking any Supreme Court vote on a Trump nominee is never going to happen.

    First, they can ram one through in the lame duck. Probably not one as good as Kav, but there are plenty of options to the right of Kennedy that still gives the R’s a win.

    Second, Joe Manchin and Doug Jones would not likely to agree to this strategy.

  172. More baseball connection: Could be two boys were looking for a below average looking girl to seduce. Could have been part of an initiation to score a plain chick. Some military units require new recruits to pick a date from the “pig pool”. Baseball star Mark Grace called them the “slump busters”. Prof Ford could have been playing along until she figured out she was the slump buster that night.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    2nd most similar modern player to Joe Judge was Mark Grace (after Keith Hernandez).

    All 3 of these first basemen were articulate, witty minor celebrity guys.

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    If it comes out that Brett and Mike were "pulling a pig," the college feminists might hate them worse than if it was "rape-rape."
  173. @Dale Gribble
    More baseball connection: Could be two boys were looking for a below average looking girl to seduce. Could have been part of an initiation to score a plain chick. Some military units require new recruits to pick a date from the "pig pool". Baseball star Mark Grace called them the "slump busters". Prof Ford could have been playing along until she figured out she was the slump buster that night.

    2nd most similar modern player to Joe Judge was Mark Grace (after Keith Hernandez).

    All 3 of these first basemen were articulate, witty minor celebrity guys.

  174. @Thomas
    I knew I had seen a movie with Bill Pullman about this exact same story, prospective appointee to a federal judgeship turns out to be a rapist, late one night on cable. Turns out I was right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guilty_(2000_film)

    American liberals think purely in tropes.

    The most pernicious trope at play here is that of the Irish as drunken boors. The responses on twitter to the testimony of Kav’s high school girlfriends — both named Maura — was either disbelief that they could share the same name or assertion that Irish family dynamics, wife-beating, repression etc. explain these women’s self-hatred/“lying”

  175. @anonymous
    Chortle all you like. Most people still know that Haven Monahan is guilty.

    And thanks to white-male privilege, he's still free. Somewhere.

    Why so modest, Tiny Duck? This is one of your better lampoons of SJWs’ and PoCs’ “thought” processes.

  176. @Tom Scarlett
    The top journalist on this beat is Ronan Farrow, a homosexual. His "partner" is former Obama staffer Jon Lovett. Unable to participate in the chain of life through normal sex, Farrow devotes his talents to persecuting those men who seize the opportunities life puts in front of them.

    As a little boy, Farrow was the subject of a very bitter custody battle that was won by his mother. This probably explains his homosexuality.

    As a little boy, Farrow was the subject of a very bitter custody battle that was won by his mother. This probably explains his homosexuality.

    Only Jewish guru networking (thanks Kevin) can explain why white folks like you don’t rule the galaxy.

  177. @anon

    Nobody gets foreclosed in those circumstances. More like failed to make any payment for at least 3 months. Some banks will wait more like 9 to 12 months.
     
    Happened to a smartarse I know.
    Owned 2 motels, never missed a payment, missed the Bank on Friday arvo, no worries, and the Bank had repossessed both motels by Monday morning.
    That was an Australian Bank [Australia's Favourite Bank], but maybe U.S. Banks are better behaved.

    In the US a bank will rarely attempt to foreclose until at least 90 days passes.

    There is no incentive for a gotcha foreclosure on a valuable property. If someone defaults on a 100k debt on a 500k building, after foreclosure there is an auction and the bank gets its 100k loan repaid plus some limited expenses. The 400k or whatever balance from the auction goes to the prior owner.

    Many foreclosure auctions do not attract any bids but the bank’s, who will then buy it from the auction and then try to sell it in a normal sale, not the cash-only auction that deters most potential buyers.

  178. @Lot
    You think more highly of Jeff Flake and Susan Collins than I do.

    Also, you are setting up a hypo where they are forced to vote up or down. More likely, they privately say they probably will vote no, no vote is held as a result, they get another Fed Society guy they vote for (maybe in a lame duck after the election), and claim victory for their moderating bipartisan integrity St. McCainish adultyness.

    It could turn out for the best as Dems are already motivated, and nothing like an open USSC seat to turn out evangelicals to vote R.

    If Kavanaugh’s nomination is pulled and then the GOP loses the Senate, it is entirely possible that Flake et al will not want to confirm someone else during the lame duck session.

  179. Kavanaugh is being unfairly portrayed as Monahan…which is crazy & stupid, but totally expected by the journalists who still insist on calling themselves oh, so, bi-partisan.

    Democrats will catch a wave like, last week in Boston (shark finally killed someone) by pushing this pussy-whipped vibe. For f*cks sake, this woman, who claims she even knows Kavanaugh, is so messed up to begin with. She is the very essence of Crazy White Woman. She is the woman, as a woman, I hate so much in this country; as an immigrant. I am Becky or Beckiij 🙂

    BTW, I drove thru Crazy Woman canyon this summer – the story is really, really crude and awful…not what you expect bc it is more about killing by a thousand cuts…but not anything that fits into a nice box of “diversity.”

    Democrats will lose bigly, if they exploit Kavanaugh (quarter him like a captive man in the Bighorns) like they exploited Harvey (not nearly as much, btw – Holywood mafia protecting Harvey), because, most of the country (between the coasts) hates them anyway.

    It is very hard to take back the word: Deplorables – check what you are eating, btw, because at some point, you might eat poisoned food. Ahh Rome!

  180. @Dale Gribble
    More baseball connection: Could be two boys were looking for a below average looking girl to seduce. Could have been part of an initiation to score a plain chick. Some military units require new recruits to pick a date from the "pig pool". Baseball star Mark Grace called them the "slump busters". Prof Ford could have been playing along until she figured out she was the slump buster that night.

    If it comes out that Brett and Mike were “pulling a pig,” the college feminists might hate them worse than if it was “rape-rape.”

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, but how sophisticated were 17-year-old boys in 1982? Would this kid really have had the cojones to try to have sex with a girl in front of his pal? And how do we know she was/is a lardass? I cannot find any full length photos of her as a teenager or as an adult. From the ones that I can see, she seems to be of average attractiveness for a woman of her race and class. Not saying I personally would want to add her to my pork inventory, but where does the idea that she was sexually repulsive come from?

    And why was she wearing a swimsuit?

  181. @Rosamond Vincy
    If it comes out that Brett and Mike were "pulling a pig," the college feminists might hate them worse than if it was "rape-rape."

    Yes, but how sophisticated were 17-year-old boys in 1982? Would this kid really have had the cojones to try to have sex with a girl in front of his pal? And how do we know she was/is a lardass? I cannot find any full length photos of her as a teenager or as an adult. From the ones that I can see, she seems to be of average attractiveness for a woman of her race and class. Not saying I personally would want to add her to my pork inventory, but where does the idea that she was sexually repulsive come from?

    And why was she wearing a swimsuit?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Was it a pool party?

    What I don't get is she said they dragged her into a bedroom and wouldn't let her out. Why didn't she mumble she had to puke and start making gagging noises with her hand over her mouth? Was this her first kegger?
    , @Jack D
    Personally I think she is horsey/masculine looking - like John Kerry in drag as someone said, but de gustibus non disputandum est and any teenage girl has a certain appeal, especially to teenage boys. Hell, any SHEEP has a certain appeal to teenage boys. She would have looked better if K was wearing beer goggles. Rape (not that this was really rape) is not really based on the attractiveness of the female anyway.

    IIRC (the details of this soap opera will echo in history along with the grassy knoll and the hair in Anita Hill's coke) she had gone to the party directly from a nearby country club where she had been swimming in the pool of said club (or at least sunning herself by the pool), so thus the swimsuit under her clothing.
  182. @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, but how sophisticated were 17-year-old boys in 1982? Would this kid really have had the cojones to try to have sex with a girl in front of his pal? And how do we know she was/is a lardass? I cannot find any full length photos of her as a teenager or as an adult. From the ones that I can see, she seems to be of average attractiveness for a woman of her race and class. Not saying I personally would want to add her to my pork inventory, but where does the idea that she was sexually repulsive come from?

    And why was she wearing a swimsuit?

    Was it a pool party?

    What I don’t get is she said they dragged her into a bedroom and wouldn’t let her out. Why didn’t she mumble she had to puke and start making gagging noises with her hand over her mouth? Was this her first kegger?

  183. Did she say they locked the door? Did bedrooms have locks in 1982? What kind of lock was it? Did it require a key or was it a twisty knob?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    What kind of bedroom doors locks from the outside?
    , @Jack D
    Presumably it was a twisty (or push) knob and they might have locked it to prevent others from interrupting them (if this event occurred at all) but it would not have precluded escape. Indeed the woman according to her own account quickly escaped.

    Maybe leftists, with their willingness to twist everything and their lurid fantasy life, have interpreted or imagined her statements to mean that she was locked in by the evil rapist K and his accomplice, but I don't think she has actually said anything of that sort so you are beating a straw man.
  184. @Foreign Expert
    Did she say they locked the door? Did bedrooms have locks in 1982? What kind of lock was it? Did it require a key or was it a twisty knob?

    What kind of bedroom doors locks from the outside?

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    none. Only prisons and SM stuff. - there you go! She's a paid liar and, it is sad to say, but she will suffer for the rest of her life for saying and doing this. His kids (and hers) are on the line for life long negativity. What?.... another easy, stupid, grasping woman - this is why I hate women?...they always sign-up to be pawns.
    , @Lot
    She did not say she was locked in, indeed she said after getting free of the bed she left, with the implication that the door was locked from the inside.

    In my experience about a third of postwar suburban houses have locks on the bedrooms.
  185. @Steve Sailer
    What kind of bedroom doors locks from the outside?

    none. Only prisons and SM stuff. – there you go! She’s a paid liar and, it is sad to say, but she will suffer for the rest of her life for saying and doing this. His kids (and hers) are on the line for life long negativity. What?…. another easy, stupid, grasping woman – this is why I hate women?…they always sign-up to be pawns.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon

    she will suffer for the rest of her life
     
    Highly doubt it, I’m sure the payoff is already in the works or even a done deal. I’d like to think karma will get her and her kids will grow up to be rabid conservatives but I know it’s just wishful thinking. Her stunt probably cemented a full ride to Harvard for them.
    , @Jack D
    Yeah, just like Anita Hill suffered. Don't be ridiculous - win or lose she is now a saint of the Leftist church and will be hailed for her "bravery" for the rest of her life. She will write a book, go on speaking tours, appear on TV, become "famous". Now fame is a double edged sword but one of those edges is sheathed in money and admiration.
  186. @Rosamond Vincy

    The same with the letter from 65 women. If they don’t know what they’re trying to rebut, all they can do is come up with a general character reference.
     
    The problem is saying he's honorable implies he never hit on them. It doesn't address the issue of whether he got violent when he made a move.

    What is needed is a few women who made out with him and can tesify that "he

    a) whined and begged a lot;
    b) said he could go blind or crippled if I didn't ease his misery;
    c) reminded me how much he paid for dinner and the movie;
    d) promised to love me forever; or
    e) said my skin was so soft and asked if I used baby oil."

    There's a difference between an incipient rapist and your basic teenage dawg. Dawgs don't use force, because that would be admitting failure in seduction. Most guys like to be reassured of their prowess in charming you into it ....

    e) said my skin was so soft and asked if I used baby oil.”

    What is the meaning of this statement? Why would someone say it?

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Flattery.

    It works if you already like the guy anyway....

  187. @Olorin
    A large law firm is a heavily gated and secured small town whose population has common moneyflow interests and policy direction from its "city fathers."

    The latter direction is based on performing hermetic wordmagic for other gated groups and city fathers.

    These clusters of power, influence, and affiliation (relationship) matter. So does extended individual involvement in them.

    The latter direction is based on performing hermetic wordmagic for other gated groups and city fathers.

    Could you explain what “hermetic wordmagic” is?

  188. @Peripatetic commenter
    Indeed. I think the accuser is simply lying!

    The latter direction is based on performing hermetic wordmagic for other gated groups and city fathers.

    Is a lie justified if it is intended to weaken the next Hitler and prevent another Holocaust?

  189. @Old Palo Altan
    You are confusing "Catholic" with "Irish".

    And alcohol cannot be either a sin or a virtue; it is the use of it, as of any other thing, which is either good or bad. Getting "merry" is indeed a virtue, as St Thomas Aquinas taught us (not that we needed the lesson); it is drunkenness, defined as the loss of reason, that most divine of gifts, through excessive consumption of alcohol, which is sinful.

    it is drunkenness, defined as the loss of reason, that most divine of gifts, through excessive consumption of alcohol, which is sinful.

    How is “reason” defined in this context?

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Whatever power within us it is which would have kept Kavanaugh from behaving in the way he is accused of behaving had he not been drunk.

    Not that I believe the story of course.
  190. @Anonymous

    e) said my skin was so soft and asked if I used baby oil.”
     
    What is the meaning of this statement? Why would someone say it?

    Flattery.

    It works if you already like the guy anyway….

  191. @Rosamond Vincy
    Nope. I was hoping for a connection with Mike Judge, so there'd be a scene of Daria heaping scorn on Beavis and Butt-Head when they tried to hit on her.

    I actually misread it as Mike Judge to start with, realised that was wishful thinking, then I was hoping for at least an iSteve Judge family connection to pop up.

  192. @Lagertha
    none. Only prisons and SM stuff. - there you go! She's a paid liar and, it is sad to say, but she will suffer for the rest of her life for saying and doing this. His kids (and hers) are on the line for life long negativity. What?.... another easy, stupid, grasping woman - this is why I hate women?...they always sign-up to be pawns.

    she will suffer for the rest of her life

    Highly doubt it, I’m sure the payoff is already in the works or even a done deal. I’d like to think karma will get her and her kids will grow up to be rabid conservatives but I know it’s just wishful thinking. Her stunt probably cemented a full ride to Harvard for them.

  193. @Steve Sailer
    What kind of bedroom doors locks from the outside?

    She did not say she was locked in, indeed she said after getting free of the bed she left, with the implication that the door was locked from the inside.

    In my experience about a third of postwar suburban houses have locks on the bedrooms.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    In my experience, most of them do but they are just privacy locks with a push or turn button and no key so you can't be locked INTO a room but only locked out from the outside.
  194. @Anonymous

    it is drunkenness, defined as the loss of reason, that most divine of gifts, through excessive consumption of alcohol, which is sinful.
     
    How is "reason" defined in this context?

    Whatever power within us it is which would have kept Kavanaugh from behaving in the way he is accused of behaving had he not been drunk.

    Not that I believe the story of course.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Don't most people behave differently when inebriated, even slightly? Therefore, drinking inexorably causes loss of reason?
  195. @Redman
    The name Zucker got me thinking about the coorelation of that surname and big media.

    Zucker (CNN)
    Zuckerberg (Facebook)
    Zuckerman (Daily News).

    I wonder whether their is a genetic connection to media/news, and if it can be traced back to a particular state (region) of Germany where these three men likely share some genetic material?

    “Zucker” is not a regional name. It is the German word for sugar. Ashkenazi Jews did not take surnames until late in history – sometimes as late as the early 19th century. Among themselves Jews used the “son of” system or else just gave each other insulting nicknames based on disabilities or other physical characteristics (“Blind Joe” vs “Lame Joe”). When the time came to take surnames, they often chose ones that were poetic rather than descriptive – Gold, Rose, Sugar, Iron, Silver, Honey, etc. followed (or not) by -berg (mountain), -man, – stein (stone), etc.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    The ancient Romans gave each other nicknames like something out of Damon Runyan. Ovid Naso was "Ovid the Nose."

    I read somewhere that jewelers and metal-workers often got names with Gold* and Silver*. I wonder if Sugar indicated a vendor or an importer. There are a lot of Millers or Smiths out there because people got tired of saying "John the Miller" or "Robert the Blacksmith," and ended up saying "Jack Miller" and "Bob Smith."
  196. @Lot
    She did not say she was locked in, indeed she said after getting free of the bed she left, with the implication that the door was locked from the inside.

    In my experience about a third of postwar suburban houses have locks on the bedrooms.

    In my experience, most of them do but they are just privacy locks with a push or turn button and no key so you can’t be locked INTO a room but only locked out from the outside.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    They cornered her, but I still think she could have made gagging noises and muttered something about being sick. Usually clears a path like magic.
    , @Mr. Rational
    Even the ones without a key will have a hole in the outside doorknob that you can shove a thin rod through to pop the lock open.

    Oftimes you can even get at the little plunger which holds the doorknob on with your thumbnail, slip the knob off and pop it open with your finger.
  197. @Anthony Wayne
    What of the 300+ women who have endorsed Kavanaugh’s morality and deemed him incapable of such an action? Personally, I choose to believe women.

    What of the 300+ women who have endorsed Kavanaugh’s morality and deemed him incapable of such an action?

    Honestly – nothing, absolutely nothing. I’m sure there are Catholic priests/child molesters who could have produced endorsements from twice as many women. This endorsements don’t prove a thing. People sometimes have Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde aspects to their personality where “Mr. Hyde” comes out when they are drunk or under the influence of drugs and they know that they are not being watched. I’m sure the mature K would never do such a thing, but the 16 year old K – I dunno (and don’t care). The endorsements are just Kabuki theater for the rubes and have no bearing on his guilt or innocence.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    The endorsements are just Kabuki theater for the rubes and have no bearing on his guilt or innocence.
     
    So having been a teenage Lothario who dated scores of young women who will still give him references thirty years later is irrelevant.

    But then there is the underage drinking. This could be more of an issue, because underage drinkers often become middle aged alcoholics, and you don't want Supreme Court judges ruling while under the influence.

    However, he is not running for Pope, and with major corporate support from sponsors such as Durex Corporation, major drug manufacturers of birth control pills, Pfizer (makers of Viagra brand boner pills), Diageo, Beam Suntory, and good old Ron* Bacardi, it should be plain sailing upriver for the boy from Bethesda.

    In any case, it only makes sense to give this sinecure to someone born in Washington, DC. as he will have friends and family in the area.

    * Ron is Spanish word for 'rum'.

  198. @Lagertha
    none. Only prisons and SM stuff. - there you go! She's a paid liar and, it is sad to say, but she will suffer for the rest of her life for saying and doing this. His kids (and hers) are on the line for life long negativity. What?.... another easy, stupid, grasping woman - this is why I hate women?...they always sign-up to be pawns.

    Yeah, just like Anita Hill suffered. Don’t be ridiculous – win or lose she is now a saint of the Leftist church and will be hailed for her “bravery” for the rest of her life. She will write a book, go on speaking tours, appear on TV, become “famous”. Now fame is a double edged sword but one of those edges is sheathed in money and admiration.

    • Agree: Trevor H.
    • Replies: @Lagertha
    Anita Hill is what? where? who is she? Ford will suffer the same fate as Monica L. She just realized that - the fact that she was used like a roll of toilet paper. Just look back at how many people the Clintons, Bushes, and Obamas used..used to push their agenda. Ford is neither beautiful, young/impressionable, like Monica. She will be so Monica:d and she knows it! And, dumb-ass Diane F. (hate the fact that she is even living...than my lovely mother) just realized that this is the biggest "blue-dress stain" on her career. Diane will be remembered in history books as the most craven female of the USA Senate when it was still, still a Republic. She is a lying liar of all the lying liars & attention-whore-women who I have always hated...particularly, rotten, amoral Democrat American women. There is a special hell for American Progressive Women - hate 'em all
  199. @Foreign Expert
    Did she say they locked the door? Did bedrooms have locks in 1982? What kind of lock was it? Did it require a key or was it a twisty knob?

    Presumably it was a twisty (or push) knob and they might have locked it to prevent others from interrupting them (if this event occurred at all) but it would not have precluded escape. Indeed the woman according to her own account quickly escaped.

    Maybe leftists, with their willingness to twist everything and their lurid fantasy life, have interpreted or imagined her statements to mean that she was locked in by the evil rapist K and his accomplice, but I don’t think she has actually said anything of that sort so you are beating a straw man.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    I think she's implying they didn't want anyone rescuing her.
  200. @Jonathan Mason
    Yes, but how sophisticated were 17-year-old boys in 1982? Would this kid really have had the cojones to try to have sex with a girl in front of his pal? And how do we know she was/is a lardass? I cannot find any full length photos of her as a teenager or as an adult. From the ones that I can see, she seems to be of average attractiveness for a woman of her race and class. Not saying I personally would want to add her to my pork inventory, but where does the idea that she was sexually repulsive come from?

    And why was she wearing a swimsuit?

    Personally I think she is horsey/masculine looking – like John Kerry in drag as someone said, but de gustibus non disputandum est and any teenage girl has a certain appeal, especially to teenage boys. Hell, any SHEEP has a certain appeal to teenage boys. She would have looked better if K was wearing beer goggles. Rape (not that this was really rape) is not really based on the attractiveness of the female anyway.

    IIRC (the details of this soap opera will echo in history along with the grassy knoll and the hair in Anita Hill’s coke) she had gone to the party directly from a nearby country club where she had been swimming in the pool of said club (or at least sunning herself by the pool), so thus the swimsuit under her clothing.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Personally I think she is horsey/masculine looking – like John Kerry in drag as someone said,
     
    I think people who have grown up in the era of movies, then TV have been subtly influenced to evaluate attractiveness more in terms of facial features than by looking at rounded buttocks and a flat belly. But, I agree with you that to an inexperienced teenage boy any female who is present and available can be an object of desire.

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    , @Boethiuss

    IIRC (the details of this soap opera will echo in history along with the grassy knoll and the hair in Anita Hill’s coke) she had gone to the party directly from a nearby country club where she had been swimming in the pool of said club (or at least sunning herself by the pool), so thus the swimsuit under her clothing.
     
    Yeah, I heard the hearing is going to be public which for me is really bad news. A bunch of Foghorn Leghorn Senatorial grandstanding, and same for the witnesses, the audience and the press. What a circus.

    Have the hearing in private. Hire a forensic specialist lawyer who does lots of depositions at let him ask all the questions.
  201. @Ibound1
    Kavanaugh has a witness supporting him, this woman does not. Kavanaugh has a sterling reputation, this woman's students say she was disturbed. Kavanaugh's mother ruled against this woman's parents in a foreclosure. In a court of law this would not even be close. And people think he should apologize? They would crucify him. All he should do is flat out deny. DENY. And say he thought the US was a better place than this and he hopes one day it will be again.

    1. The witness is also his co-conspirator and has equally good reason to lie.
    2. Sterling reputation doesn’t prove anything. Her students said nothing of the kind.
    3. K’s mother, as the rotating hearings judge that day, signed off on a routine settlement agreement between the mortgage lender and her parents (they settled the foreclosure and continued to live in the house for many years). Just a coincidence and would not have led to any animosity.

    I agree that he should deny, deny, deny but your “evidence” doesn’t really hold water.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Ibound1
    Memo to self: Don’t hire Jack D as your lawyer.
  202. @anon

    Nobody gets foreclosed in those circumstances. More like failed to make any payment for at least 3 months. Some banks will wait more like 9 to 12 months.
     
    Happened to a smartarse I know.
    Owned 2 motels, never missed a payment, missed the Bank on Friday arvo, no worries, and the Bank had repossessed both motels by Monday morning.
    That was an Australian Bank [Australia's Favourite Bank], but maybe U.S. Banks are better behaved.

    Even for commercial property this would be rare, but the rules in almost all US states would not permit such quick action in the case of residential property. There are all kinds of 2nd and 3rd and 4th chances built into the system and indeed in the case of this woman’s parents they ended up settling with the bank and lived in the house for many more years.

  203. @Jack D
    1. The witness is also his co-conspirator and has equally good reason to lie.
    2. Sterling reputation doesn't prove anything. Her students said nothing of the kind.
    3. K's mother, as the rotating hearings judge that day, signed off on a routine settlement agreement between the mortgage lender and her parents (they settled the foreclosure and continued to live in the house for many years). Just a coincidence and would not have led to any animosity.

    I agree that he should deny, deny, deny but your "evidence" doesn't really hold water.

    Memo to self: Don’t hire Jack D as your lawyer.

  204. @Jack D
    "Zucker" is not a regional name. It is the German word for sugar. Ashkenazi Jews did not take surnames until late in history - sometimes as late as the early 19th century. Among themselves Jews used the "son of" system or else just gave each other insulting nicknames based on disabilities or other physical characteristics ("Blind Joe" vs "Lame Joe"). When the time came to take surnames, they often chose ones that were poetic rather than descriptive - Gold, Rose, Sugar, Iron, Silver, Honey, etc. followed (or not) by -berg (mountain), -man, - stein (stone), etc.

    The ancient Romans gave each other nicknames like something out of Damon Runyan. Ovid Naso was “Ovid the Nose.”

    I read somewhere that jewelers and metal-workers often got names with Gold* and Silver*. I wonder if Sugar indicated a vendor or an importer. There are a lot of Millers or Smiths out there because people got tired of saying “John the Miller” or “Robert the Blacksmith,” and ended up saying “Jack Miller” and “Bob Smith.”

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    The ancient Romans gave each other nicknames like something out of Damon Runyan. Ovid Naso was “Ovid the Nose.”
     
    They still do in Latin countries, where even strangers will often be addressed by some identifying physical feature. Hey Morena/Flaco (brown girl/skinny guy), where is the bus stop?

    A friend of mine who was a very obese physician from Puerto Rico attended medical school in Santiago, Dominican Republic and said that when he was in med school, they called him El Gordo (fatty), but this was not really considered insulting, just an identifier. Sadly he died young from complications of obesity.

    One of George Orwell's hop-picking companions was a hard of hearing man called Deafie.

    When we got to Wateringbury station about fifty hoppers were waiting for the train, and the first person we saw was old Deafie, sitting on the grass with a newspaper in front of him. He lifted it aside, and we saw that he had his trousers undone and was exhibiting his penis to the women and children as they passed. I was surprised – such a decent old man, really; but there is hardly a tramp who has not some sexual abnormality.

    Following in Orwell's footsteps half a century later (fifty years ago now), I also picked hops, but by that time it was mostly mechanized and I drove a tractor or cut bines with a billhook. Most of the workers were college students, however there was one local man who drove a tractor along the rows and stepped off his moving tractor to relieve himself, caught his foot on a bine, and the tractor ran over his leg. When the ambulance arrived at the field, his pants were still unzipped and he was spectacularly exposed, so technology changes, but human nature not.

    , @Jack D

    I read somewhere that jewelers and metal-workers often got names with Gold* and Silver*.
     
    Goldschmid (Goldsmith) is an occupational name but I think many of the others are ornamental rather than occupational - Rosenbergs ( Rose Mountain) were not in the rose business. Some names have no conceivable occupation attached to them - Teitelbaum (palm tree), etc. Zucker based names are probably some of each. Zucker/Zuckerman could also indicate a candy maker or someone who had a fondness for sweets as well as a trader in sugar but Zuckerberg is probably fanciful.
  205. @Jack D
    In my experience, most of them do but they are just privacy locks with a push or turn button and no key so you can't be locked INTO a room but only locked out from the outside.

    They cornered her, but I still think she could have made gagging noises and muttered something about being sick. Usually clears a path like magic.

  206. @Jack D

    What of the 300+ women who have endorsed Kavanaugh’s morality and deemed him incapable of such an action?
     
    Honestly - nothing, absolutely nothing. I'm sure there are Catholic priests/child molesters who could have produced endorsements from twice as many women. This endorsements don't prove a thing. People sometimes have Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde aspects to their personality where "Mr. Hyde" comes out when they are drunk or under the influence of drugs and they know that they are not being watched. I'm sure the mature K would never do such a thing, but the 16 year old K - I dunno (and don't care). The endorsements are just Kabuki theater for the rubes and have no bearing on his guilt or innocence.

    The endorsements are just Kabuki theater for the rubes and have no bearing on his guilt or innocence.

    So having been a teenage Lothario who dated scores of young women who will still give him references thirty years later is irrelevant.

    But then there is the underage drinking. This could be more of an issue, because underage drinkers often become middle aged alcoholics, and you don’t want Supreme Court judges ruling while under the influence.

    However, he is not running for Pope, and with major corporate support from sponsors such as Durex Corporation, major drug manufacturers of birth control pills, Pfizer (makers of Viagra brand boner pills), Diageo, Beam Suntory, and good old Ron* Bacardi, it should be plain sailing upriver for the boy from Bethesda.

    In any case, it only makes sense to give this sinecure to someone born in Washington, DC. as he will have friends and family in the area.

    * Ron is Spanish word for ‘rum’.

  207. @Jack D
    Presumably it was a twisty (or push) knob and they might have locked it to prevent others from interrupting them (if this event occurred at all) but it would not have precluded escape. Indeed the woman according to her own account quickly escaped.

    Maybe leftists, with their willingness to twist everything and their lurid fantasy life, have interpreted or imagined her statements to mean that she was locked in by the evil rapist K and his accomplice, but I don't think she has actually said anything of that sort so you are beating a straw man.

    I think she’s implying they didn’t want anyone rescuing her.

  208. @Rosamond Vincy
    The ancient Romans gave each other nicknames like something out of Damon Runyan. Ovid Naso was "Ovid the Nose."

    I read somewhere that jewelers and metal-workers often got names with Gold* and Silver*. I wonder if Sugar indicated a vendor or an importer. There are a lot of Millers or Smiths out there because people got tired of saying "John the Miller" or "Robert the Blacksmith," and ended up saying "Jack Miller" and "Bob Smith."

    The ancient Romans gave each other nicknames like something out of Damon Runyan. Ovid Naso was “Ovid the Nose.”

    They still do in Latin countries, where even strangers will often be addressed by some identifying physical feature. Hey Morena/Flaco (brown girl/skinny guy), where is the bus stop?

    A friend of mine who was a very obese physician from Puerto Rico attended medical school in Santiago, Dominican Republic and said that when he was in med school, they called him El Gordo (fatty), but this was not really considered insulting, just an identifier. Sadly he died young from complications of obesity.

    One of George Orwell’s hop-picking companions was a hard of hearing man called Deafie.

    When we got to Wateringbury station about fifty hoppers were waiting for the train, and the first person we saw was old Deafie, sitting on the grass with a newspaper in front of him. He lifted it aside, and we saw that he had his trousers undone and was exhibiting his penis to the women and children as they passed. I was surprised – such a decent old man, really; but there is hardly a tramp who has not some sexual abnormality.

    Following in Orwell’s footsteps half a century later (fifty years ago now), I also picked hops, but by that time it was mostly mechanized and I drove a tractor or cut bines with a billhook. Most of the workers were college students, however there was one local man who drove a tractor along the rows and stepped off his moving tractor to relieve himself, caught his foot on a bine, and the tractor ran over his leg. When the ambulance arrived at the field, his pants were still unzipped and he was spectacularly exposed, so technology changes, but human nature not.

  209. @Space Ghost
    > It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape.

    How could you possibly prove that something *didn't* happen 35 years ago? She doesn't even have the year or whose house it was. Are you able to account for your whereabouts on August 13 1982?

    How could you possibly prove that something *didn’t* happen 35 years ago? She doesn’t even have the year or whose house it was. Are you able to account for your whereabouts on August 13 1982?

    No, but I (or Kavanaugh) can answer questions like “At that time, did you know of Ann Smith from Washington High? Do you ever recall meeting her, or being in the same proximity, etc, etc?” so as to narrow down what did happen or what could be credible.

  210. @Jack D
    Personally I think she is horsey/masculine looking - like John Kerry in drag as someone said, but de gustibus non disputandum est and any teenage girl has a certain appeal, especially to teenage boys. Hell, any SHEEP has a certain appeal to teenage boys. She would have looked better if K was wearing beer goggles. Rape (not that this was really rape) is not really based on the attractiveness of the female anyway.

    IIRC (the details of this soap opera will echo in history along with the grassy knoll and the hair in Anita Hill's coke) she had gone to the party directly from a nearby country club where she had been swimming in the pool of said club (or at least sunning herself by the pool), so thus the swimsuit under her clothing.

    Personally I think she is horsey/masculine looking – like John Kerry in drag as someone said,

    I think people who have grown up in the era of movies, then TV have been subtly influenced to evaluate attractiveness more in terms of facial features than by looking at rounded buttocks and a flat belly. But, I agree with you that to an inexperienced teenage boy any female who is present and available can be an object of desire.

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  211. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "It does mean that Kavanaugh and Judge are going to have to come up with credible answers, at least to the extent of beating the accusations of attempted rape."

    Wrong. Firm, consistent denials beat any accusation of attempted rape from 35 years ago. No matter how florid the accuser's phantasies, just reply with a simple No, that never happened. Statutes of limitations exist because reasons.

    And it certainly happened. Future Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh, then a teenaged minor, got liquored up and made aggressive advances on the accuser. For whatever reason, future Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh gave up on attempted fondling in the first degree and the accuser left the home.

    So what?

    BTW, I'm adding Kavanaugh to my web browser dictionary. Dude gonna be around awhile now, legislating from the bench and defending the interests of white men for a generation or two.

    And it certainly happened. Future Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh, then a teenaged minor, got liquored up and made aggressive advances on the accuser. For whatever reason, future Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh gave up on attempted fondling in the first degree and the accuser left the home.

    Yeah, I’m not sure it did. I’m especially not sure it did the way Mrs Ford says it did.

    Where we are now is at the worst point of the narrative. Any new facts or developments that happen from here forward are largely going to work to our benefit.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.

    Where we are now is at the worst point of the narrative. Any new facts or developments that happen from here forward are largely going to work to our benefit.
     
    Hats off to you. Your consistent ability to fantasize and bloviate in equal measure never ceases to impress.
  212. @Olorin
    Precisely.

    Now imagine a female who, during her time at a super-tony girls' high school, scored with but didn't get an offer of matrimony from a well-off prep school boy whom she identifies as one who went on to become a successful lawyer, then SCOTUS clerk, then judge...who apparently managed his adult finances (and marital life) with better outcomes than father did.

    Imagine a father whose daughter at 15 is going into bedrooms with multiple boys, with alcohol involved.

    Well, whatever. POTUS just declassified a bunch of stuff...and ordered release of Page, Strzok, Comey, McCabe, and Ohr text messages. I'm makin' popcorn.

    Now imagine a female who, during her time at a super-tony girls’ high school, scored with but didn’t get an offer of matrimony from a well-off prep school boy whom she identifies as one who went on to become a successful lawyer, then SCOTUS clerk, then judge…who apparently managed his adult finances (and marital life) with better outcomes than father did.

    Yeah, this doesn’t really compute. Girls in her situation at the time had aspirations to matrimony in general, but not in high school or shortly thereafter.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  213. @Jack D
    Personally I think she is horsey/masculine looking - like John Kerry in drag as someone said, but de gustibus non disputandum est and any teenage girl has a certain appeal, especially to teenage boys. Hell, any SHEEP has a certain appeal to teenage boys. She would have looked better if K was wearing beer goggles. Rape (not that this was really rape) is not really based on the attractiveness of the female anyway.

    IIRC (the details of this soap opera will echo in history along with the grassy knoll and the hair in Anita Hill's coke) she had gone to the party directly from a nearby country club where she had been swimming in the pool of said club (or at least sunning herself by the pool), so thus the swimsuit under her clothing.

    IIRC (the details of this soap opera will echo in history along with the grassy knoll and the hair in Anita Hill’s coke) she had gone to the party directly from a nearby country club where she had been swimming in the pool of said club (or at least sunning herself by the pool), so thus the swimsuit under her clothing.

    Yeah, I heard the hearing is going to be public which for me is really bad news. A bunch of Foghorn Leghorn Senatorial grandstanding, and same for the witnesses, the audience and the press. What a circus.

    Have the hearing in private. Hire a forensic specialist lawyer who does lots of depositions at let him ask all the questions.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    The public hearing is indeed bad news; the GOP Senators won't be able to ask her any tough questions because you have to assume the Dems are waiting to spring a "second accuser."
    , @Jack D
    You can thank Republican cucks for this circus. They keep getting rolled by the Dems but they would apparently rather be remembered as fair minded losers. Worked for McCain who was all but elevated to sainthood at his funeral for being such a good loser. Leftists don't worry about fairness when they are in charge because utopia must be achieved by any means necessary.
  214. @Jack D
    In my experience, most of them do but they are just privacy locks with a push or turn button and no key so you can't be locked INTO a room but only locked out from the outside.

    Even the ones without a key will have a hole in the outside doorknob that you can shove a thin rod through to pop the lock open.

    Oftimes you can even get at the little plunger which holds the doorknob on with your thumbnail, slip the knob off and pop it open with your finger.

  215. @Boethiuss

    IIRC (the details of this soap opera will echo in history along with the grassy knoll and the hair in Anita Hill’s coke) she had gone to the party directly from a nearby country club where she had been swimming in the pool of said club (or at least sunning herself by the pool), so thus the swimsuit under her clothing.
     
    Yeah, I heard the hearing is going to be public which for me is really bad news. A bunch of Foghorn Leghorn Senatorial grandstanding, and same for the witnesses, the audience and the press. What a circus.

    Have the hearing in private. Hire a forensic specialist lawyer who does lots of depositions at let him ask all the questions.

    The public hearing is indeed bad news; the GOP Senators won’t be able to ask her any tough questions because you have to assume the Dems are waiting to spring a “second accuser.”

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    The public hearing is indeed bad news; the GOP Senators won’t be able to ask her any tough questions because you have to assume the Dems are waiting to spring a “second accuser.”
     
    There is no second accuser. In fact that's one of the reasons why I think that he's actually innocent.

    I think some of the GOP Senators are probably willing to ask tough questions. It's not going to help, though. First of all, they won't know which tough questions to ask. More importantly, none of them will be able to develop a meaningful line of inquiry.

    If it were me, I'd hire one lawyer, who's good, to ask all the questions.
  216. @Boethiuss

    IIRC (the details of this soap opera will echo in history along with the grassy knoll and the hair in Anita Hill’s coke) she had gone to the party directly from a nearby country club where she had been swimming in the pool of said club (or at least sunning herself by the pool), so thus the swimsuit under her clothing.
     
    Yeah, I heard the hearing is going to be public which for me is really bad news. A bunch of Foghorn Leghorn Senatorial grandstanding, and same for the witnesses, the audience and the press. What a circus.

    Have the hearing in private. Hire a forensic specialist lawyer who does lots of depositions at let him ask all the questions.

    You can thank Republican cucks for this circus. They keep getting rolled by the Dems but they would apparently rather be remembered as fair minded losers. Worked for McCain who was all but elevated to sainthood at his funeral for being such a good loser. Leftists don’t worry about fairness when they are in charge because utopia must be achieved by any means necessary.

    • Agree: David In TN
    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    You can thank Republican cucks for this circus. They keep getting rolled by the Dems but they would apparently rather be remembered as fair minded losers. Worked for McCain who was all but elevated to sainthood at his funeral for being such a good loser. Leftists don’t worry about fairness when they are in charge because utopia must be achieved by any means necessary.
     
    You remember President Obama and his Julia shit during the reelection campaign of 2012?

    https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico44/2012/11/obama-techie-says-life-of-julia-a-campaign-highlight-149925

    Guess what, it worked. It turns out there's a lot of Julias and they vote and they'll believe all sorts of stupid shit to vote Democrat. Some it's actually useful to learn how to slip a punch instead of leaning into it.
  217. @Rosamond Vincy
    The ancient Romans gave each other nicknames like something out of Damon Runyan. Ovid Naso was "Ovid the Nose."

    I read somewhere that jewelers and metal-workers often got names with Gold* and Silver*. I wonder if Sugar indicated a vendor or an importer. There are a lot of Millers or Smiths out there because people got tired of saying "John the Miller" or "Robert the Blacksmith," and ended up saying "Jack Miller" and "Bob Smith."

    I read somewhere that jewelers and metal-workers often got names with Gold* and Silver*.

    Goldschmid (Goldsmith) is an occupational name but I think many of the others are ornamental rather than occupational – Rosenbergs ( Rose Mountain) were not in the rose business. Some names have no conceivable occupation attached to them – Teitelbaum (palm tree), etc. Zucker based names are probably some of each. Zucker/Zuckerman could also indicate a candy maker or someone who had a fondness for sweets as well as a trader in sugar but Zuckerberg is probably fanciful.

  218. @Jack D
    You didn't attend a boys Catholic school. Catholics have a different relationship to alcohol than other religions because it's one of the few things that's not a sin in their book. Drinking alcohol is literally one of the sacraments of their religion. Hell, they have branches of their clergy that actually make the stuff.

    You know, I’ve never given it any thought, but that’s probably true. I was drinking (watered) wine with my parents at the dinner table from the earliest age. I realize now how strange that must sound to Protestants. My ancestry is southern Euro not Irish though. Drunkenness seems to be a particularly Irish problem.

  219. In the You Can’t Make This Stuff Up category: Keith Ellison’s accuser, who has, you know, like real medical records, is named Karen Monahan! Of course, nobody gives a crap about her because Ellison is black, a D, and a Muslim. It’s a trifecta!

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/17/keith-ellison-karen-monahan-democratic-party/

  220. anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:

    For income generation, lawyers (and allied femrads, dems, “men”, etc.) have successfully redefined many common behaviors as crimes. E.g., ANY touching of woman by a man is deemed “assault.” Rape used to be a capital crime, and everyone knew what rape meant. It wasn’t just “emotional scars,” such as are withering away in the age of ubiquitous pornography and recreational sex. The capital crime of rape left the woman “ruined,” knife at her throat, broken nose and jaw, pregnant, lifetime disfigurement. Now any tactile sexy attraction touch, as occurred in every movie with Fred Astaire and Clark Gable, is an “assault.” (A common punishment in the movies was a slap, later a wedding.) The moronic Anderson Cooper, referring to Trump’s “p***y recording, said, “You realize you admitted to sexual assault.” Trump laughed it off successfully. Lesser parties accused of such “assaults” invariably plead No Contest and get three years, rather than risking a trial and 20 years.

  221. @Old Palo Altan
    Whatever power within us it is which would have kept Kavanaugh from behaving in the way he is accused of behaving had he not been drunk.

    Not that I believe the story of course.

    Don’t most people behave differently when inebriated, even slightly? Therefore, drinking inexorably causes loss of reason?

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Inexorably?

    If you drink inexorably, then, yes, you will inexorably loose your reason.

    If you drink in moderation,then you won't.

    If you want to see the difference in the flesh, then visit and compare an Irish pub and an Italian

    trattoria.
  222. @snorlax
    The public hearing is indeed bad news; the GOP Senators won't be able to ask her any tough questions because you have to assume the Dems are waiting to spring a "second accuser."

    The public hearing is indeed bad news; the GOP Senators won’t be able to ask her any tough questions because you have to assume the Dems are waiting to spring a “second accuser.”

    There is no second accuser. In fact that’s one of the reasons why I think that he’s actually innocent.

    I think some of the GOP Senators are probably willing to ask tough questions. It’s not going to help, though. First of all, they won’t know which tough questions to ask. More importantly, none of them will be able to develop a meaningful line of inquiry.

    If it were me, I’d hire one lawyer, who’s good, to ask all the questions.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    If it were me, I’d hire one lawyer, who’s good, to ask all the questions.
     
    Good idea. Get Rudy G to put on his Mean Hat and pound this woman senseless. Of course, she hasn't agreed to come just yet.
    , @snorlax
    Cornyn, Crapo, Cruz, Graham, Hatch, Kennedy and Lee are all lawyers, in Cruz's case one of the best in the country.

    I think it's quite likely the Dems have a second accuser they're waiting to spring, once the Rethuglicans have viciously attacked poor Ms. Ford.
    , @candid_observer

    More importantly, none of them will be able to develop a meaningful line of inquiry.
     
    As I've argued elsewhere, I'd like to see them ask the simple question of whether she has ever been in therapy before 2012. It's obviously a legitimate question to ask in general, given her claim that she was traumatized.

    And I can only say that it would be extraordinary if she hadn't been in therapy before 2012. She's, apparently, a Ph.D. clinical pychologist. Almost all clinical psychologists have been in therapy off and on over the years, and especially, I would think, women. And she says she has experienced major problems over the years due to her trauma.

    What would have stood in her way of entering therapy? She's rich, so it can't be money. She's in the profession, so how could it be stigma attached to entering therapy?

    But if she entered therapy before, why has she failed to mention it? If she did she discuss this issue in previous therapy -- and how could she avoid doing so? -- why didn't she mention that?

    And if she lies about it, it will no doubt be found out sooner or later -- probably sooner.

    If the FBI ever gets into the question, there's no question they will find this out.

  223. @Jack D
    You can thank Republican cucks for this circus. They keep getting rolled by the Dems but they would apparently rather be remembered as fair minded losers. Worked for McCain who was all but elevated to sainthood at his funeral for being such a good loser. Leftists don't worry about fairness when they are in charge because utopia must be achieved by any means necessary.

    You can thank Republican cucks for this circus. They keep getting rolled by the Dems but they would apparently rather be remembered as fair minded losers. Worked for McCain who was all but elevated to sainthood at his funeral for being such a good loser. Leftists don’t worry about fairness when they are in charge because utopia must be achieved by any means necessary.

    You remember President Obama and his Julia shit during the reelection campaign of 2012?

    https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico44/2012/11/obama-techie-says-life-of-julia-a-campaign-highlight-149925

    Guess what, it worked. It turns out there’s a lot of Julias and they vote and they’ll believe all sorts of stupid shit to vote Democrat. Some it’s actually useful to learn how to slip a punch instead of leaning into it.

  224. @Boethiuss

    The public hearing is indeed bad news; the GOP Senators won’t be able to ask her any tough questions because you have to assume the Dems are waiting to spring a “second accuser.”
     
    There is no second accuser. In fact that's one of the reasons why I think that he's actually innocent.

    I think some of the GOP Senators are probably willing to ask tough questions. It's not going to help, though. First of all, they won't know which tough questions to ask. More importantly, none of them will be able to develop a meaningful line of inquiry.

    If it were me, I'd hire one lawyer, who's good, to ask all the questions.

    If it were me, I’d hire one lawyer, who’s good, to ask all the questions.

    Good idea. Get Rudy G to put on his Mean Hat and pound this woman senseless. Of course, she hasn’t agreed to come just yet.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    Good idea. Get Rudy G to put on his Mean Hat and pound this woman senseless. Of course, she hasn’t agreed to come just yet.
     
    F that. Rudy G is worse than any of the Senators. No credibility, and not really good at anything. Rudy is winning the day if his socks match.
  225. @Boethiuss

    The public hearing is indeed bad news; the GOP Senators won’t be able to ask her any tough questions because you have to assume the Dems are waiting to spring a “second accuser.”
     
    There is no second accuser. In fact that's one of the reasons why I think that he's actually innocent.

    I think some of the GOP Senators are probably willing to ask tough questions. It's not going to help, though. First of all, they won't know which tough questions to ask. More importantly, none of them will be able to develop a meaningful line of inquiry.

    If it were me, I'd hire one lawyer, who's good, to ask all the questions.

    Cornyn, Crapo, Cruz, Graham, Hatch, Kennedy and Lee are all lawyers, in Cruz’s case one of the best in the country.

    I think it’s quite likely the Dems have a second accuser they’re waiting to spring, once the Rethuglicans have viciously attacked poor Ms. Ford.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    Cornyn, Crapo, Cruz, Graham, Hatch, Kennedy and Lee are all lawyers, in Cruz’s case one of the best in the country.
     
    Yeah, as long as only one of them asks the questions and the others grant their time. Mike Lee would be the best choice. Cruz is a good lawyer but too smarmy (and I voted for him).

    I think it’s quite likely the Dems have a second accuser they’re waiting to spring, once the Rethuglicans have viciously attacked poor Ms. Ford.
     
    I very much doubt that. The way this came out in the first place was a total clown car shitshow. There is no wizard behind the curtain here.
    , @Boethiuss

    I think it’s quite likely the Dems have a second accuser they’re waiting to spring, once the Rethuglicans have viciously attacked poor Ms. Ford.
     
    In fact, it seems like this is the opposite of what's happening at the moment. The Republicans are looking like they are ready to settle all the family business at this hearing on Monday, but the Democrats are looking for an excuse to run away.
  226. @Boethiuss

    The public hearing is indeed bad news; the GOP Senators won’t be able to ask her any tough questions because you have to assume the Dems are waiting to spring a “second accuser.”
     
    There is no second accuser. In fact that's one of the reasons why I think that he's actually innocent.

    I think some of the GOP Senators are probably willing to ask tough questions. It's not going to help, though. First of all, they won't know which tough questions to ask. More importantly, none of them will be able to develop a meaningful line of inquiry.

    If it were me, I'd hire one lawyer, who's good, to ask all the questions.

    More importantly, none of them will be able to develop a meaningful line of inquiry.

    As I’ve argued elsewhere, I’d like to see them ask the simple question of whether she has ever been in therapy before 2012. It’s obviously a legitimate question to ask in general, given her claim that she was traumatized.

    And I can only say that it would be extraordinary if she hadn’t been in therapy before 2012. She’s, apparently, a Ph.D. clinical pychologist. Almost all clinical psychologists have been in therapy off and on over the years, and especially, I would think, women. And she says she has experienced major problems over the years due to her trauma.

    What would have stood in her way of entering therapy? She’s rich, so it can’t be money. She’s in the profession, so how could it be stigma attached to entering therapy?

    But if she entered therapy before, why has she failed to mention it? If she did she discuss this issue in previous therapy — and how could she avoid doing so? — why didn’t she mention that?

    And if she lies about it, it will no doubt be found out sooner or later — probably sooner.

    If the FBI ever gets into the question, there’s no question they will find this out.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    As I’ve argued elsewhere, I’d like to see them ask the simple question of whether she has ever been in therapy before 2012. It’s obviously a legitimate question to ask in general, given her claim that she was traumatized.
     
    This is the sort of thing that lawyers who are good at depositions can get to the bottom of. Though I'm not sure this particular line of inquiry is the best to prove anything. But in general this is the right direction.

    I mean, according to Mrs Ford, so far, she's pretty clear to blame Mark Judge and Mark Kavanaugh, specifically by name. Though she's not clear where or when this incident occurred, even to the year. So somehow we need to find out why she's clear on one but not the other.
  227. Apparently Feinstein received a similar letter from this woman regarding Gorsuch during his hearings.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Whoa! THAT needs to be publicized. Did she get hit on by every conservative in the country?
  228. @Jim Don Bob

    If it were me, I’d hire one lawyer, who’s good, to ask all the questions.
     
    Good idea. Get Rudy G to put on his Mean Hat and pound this woman senseless. Of course, she hasn't agreed to come just yet.

    Good idea. Get Rudy G to put on his Mean Hat and pound this woman senseless. Of course, she hasn’t agreed to come just yet.

    F that. Rudy G is worse than any of the Senators. No credibility, and not really good at anything. Rudy is winning the day if his socks match.

  229. @snorlax
    Cornyn, Crapo, Cruz, Graham, Hatch, Kennedy and Lee are all lawyers, in Cruz's case one of the best in the country.

    I think it's quite likely the Dems have a second accuser they're waiting to spring, once the Rethuglicans have viciously attacked poor Ms. Ford.

    Cornyn, Crapo, Cruz, Graham, Hatch, Kennedy and Lee are all lawyers, in Cruz’s case one of the best in the country.

    Yeah, as long as only one of them asks the questions and the others grant their time. Mike Lee would be the best choice. Cruz is a good lawyer but too smarmy (and I voted for him).

    I think it’s quite likely the Dems have a second accuser they’re waiting to spring, once the Rethuglicans have viciously attacked poor Ms. Ford.

    I very much doubt that. The way this came out in the first place was a total clown car shitshow. There is no wizard behind the curtain here.

  230. @candid_observer

    More importantly, none of them will be able to develop a meaningful line of inquiry.
     
    As I've argued elsewhere, I'd like to see them ask the simple question of whether she has ever been in therapy before 2012. It's obviously a legitimate question to ask in general, given her claim that she was traumatized.

    And I can only say that it would be extraordinary if she hadn't been in therapy before 2012. She's, apparently, a Ph.D. clinical pychologist. Almost all clinical psychologists have been in therapy off and on over the years, and especially, I would think, women. And she says she has experienced major problems over the years due to her trauma.

    What would have stood in her way of entering therapy? She's rich, so it can't be money. She's in the profession, so how could it be stigma attached to entering therapy?

    But if she entered therapy before, why has she failed to mention it? If she did she discuss this issue in previous therapy -- and how could she avoid doing so? -- why didn't she mention that?

    And if she lies about it, it will no doubt be found out sooner or later -- probably sooner.

    If the FBI ever gets into the question, there's no question they will find this out.

    As I’ve argued elsewhere, I’d like to see them ask the simple question of whether she has ever been in therapy before 2012. It’s obviously a legitimate question to ask in general, given her claim that she was traumatized.

    This is the sort of thing that lawyers who are good at depositions can get to the bottom of. Though I’m not sure this particular line of inquiry is the best to prove anything. But in general this is the right direction.

    I mean, according to Mrs Ford, so far, she’s pretty clear to blame Mark Judge and Mark Kavanaugh, specifically by name. Though she’s not clear where or when this incident occurred, even to the year. So somehow we need to find out why she’s clear on one but not the other.

    • Replies: @candid_observer
    There are any number of lines of attack here.

    Certainly trying to get her to explain how she could be so sure of some of the details of the incident -- such as the names of the boys -- while being incredibly vague on other details is an important one to press on.

    But it may not be obvious how that line of questioning works out. She could just stubbornly say, that's what I remember, and what I don't, and it may be hard to find anything to contradict that account directly.

    But suppose I'm right that, as a clinical psychologist, it's almost a certainty that she went into therapy before 2012.

    I just don't know how she could explain that away. She never mentions earlier therapy in her letter, or in her interview with WaPo. Why? Why wouldn't there be notes from that therapy that would support her claims? She has moreover said, or has been reported to say, that she never spoke to anyone about this matter before 2012. She didn't speak about it in therapy? What sense does that make?

    Among other things, it's a question of documentation here -- or utter lack of it. This is the sort of thing that is generally held to be particularly credible to impartial observers. And withholding that she had been in therapy before would be a major blow to her credibility in any case.
    , @Steve Sailer
    How much of Mark Judge's stories of Wild Times at Georgetown Prep has she read?
  231. @Boethiuss

    As I’ve argued elsewhere, I’d like to see them ask the simple question of whether she has ever been in therapy before 2012. It’s obviously a legitimate question to ask in general, given her claim that she was traumatized.
     
    This is the sort of thing that lawyers who are good at depositions can get to the bottom of. Though I'm not sure this particular line of inquiry is the best to prove anything. But in general this is the right direction.

    I mean, according to Mrs Ford, so far, she's pretty clear to blame Mark Judge and Mark Kavanaugh, specifically by name. Though she's not clear where or when this incident occurred, even to the year. So somehow we need to find out why she's clear on one but not the other.

    There are any number of lines of attack here.

    Certainly trying to get her to explain how she could be so sure of some of the details of the incident — such as the names of the boys — while being incredibly vague on other details is an important one to press on.

    But it may not be obvious how that line of questioning works out. She could just stubbornly say, that’s what I remember, and what I don’t, and it may be hard to find anything to contradict that account directly.

    But suppose I’m right that, as a clinical psychologist, it’s almost a certainty that she went into therapy before 2012.

    I just don’t know how she could explain that away. She never mentions earlier therapy in her letter, or in her interview with WaPo. Why? Why wouldn’t there be notes from that therapy that would support her claims? She has moreover said, or has been reported to say, that she never spoke to anyone about this matter before 2012. She didn’t speak about it in therapy? What sense does that make?

    Among other things, it’s a question of documentation here — or utter lack of it. This is the sort of thing that is generally held to be particularly credible to impartial observers. And withholding that she had been in therapy before would be a major blow to her credibility in any case.

    • Replies: @Boethiuss

    I just don’t know how she could explain that away. She never mentions earlier therapy in her letter, or in her interview with WaPo. Why? Why wouldn’t there be notes from that therapy that would support her claims? She has moreover said, or has been reported to say, that she never spoke to anyone about this matter before 2012. She didn’t speak about it in therapy? What sense does that make?
     
    Inference from non-utilization of therapy? Yeah maybe, I just don't think it cuts as much ice as you do, apparently.

    I suspect it's going to be fruitful try to nail this down to a particular time and place, see if there are mutual friends, prior proximity, ie dig into the factual foundation of this accusation as best as we can.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    But suppose I’m right that, as a clinical psychologist, it’s almost a certainty that she went into therapy before 2012.
     
    I have known lots of clinical psychologists and there is no reason to think that they have a high rate of going "into therapy." Rather the opposite since they know that a lot of therapy is BS.

    Clinical psychologists deal mostly with kids with learning difficulties, criminals, and mentally ill people. A lot of their work is performing evaluations for schools and courts.
  232. @Boethiuss

    As I’ve argued elsewhere, I’d like to see them ask the simple question of whether she has ever been in therapy before 2012. It’s obviously a legitimate question to ask in general, given her claim that she was traumatized.
     
    This is the sort of thing that lawyers who are good at depositions can get to the bottom of. Though I'm not sure this particular line of inquiry is the best to prove anything. But in general this is the right direction.

    I mean, according to Mrs Ford, so far, she's pretty clear to blame Mark Judge and Mark Kavanaugh, specifically by name. Though she's not clear where or when this incident occurred, even to the year. So somehow we need to find out why she's clear on one but not the other.

    How much of Mark Judge’s stories of Wild Times at Georgetown Prep has she read?

    • Replies: @Boethiuss


    How much of Mark Judge’s stories of Wild Times at Georgetown Prep has she read?
     
    If that did happen, then Mrs Ford is the Sabrina Rubin Erdley and the Jackie Coakley of the faux rape. Considering how hard the Democrats fell for this, that would be an absolutely disastrous turn of events for the Democrats.

    I don't know for sure just like everybody else, but I'm not buying that yet. I think it's more likely one of two things: 1. mistaken identity, or 2: some kind weird psychological problem for Mrs Ford, like self Munchausen or something.

    It does seem, though, that Kavanaugh is more likely to be substantively innocent compared to yesterday though.
  233. Ed Whelan is writing some pretty bold checks on Twitter, defending Kavanaugh. I don’t know what if anything he knows, but I’m even more confident now.

    I think the situation has completely flipped just since yesterday even.

    It looks like the accuser is going to cut and run, which may be a bad outcome for us. The Democrats will try to argue their way to a draw and might get it. If on the other hand, Mrs Ford can be conclusively refuted, (and Whelan thinks so) this will be huge for the election and the course of the judicial politics moving forward.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/EdWhelanEPPC/status/1042383148766687232
  234. @Steve Sailer
    How much of Mark Judge's stories of Wild Times at Georgetown Prep has she read?

    How much of Mark Judge’s stories of Wild Times at Georgetown Prep has she read?

    If that did happen, then Mrs Ford is the Sabrina Rubin Erdley and the Jackie Coakley of the faux rape. Considering how hard the Democrats fell for this, that would be an absolutely disastrous turn of events for the Democrats.

    I don’t know for sure just like everybody else, but I’m not buying that yet. I think it’s more likely one of two things: 1. mistaken identity, or 2: some kind weird psychological problem for Mrs Ford, like self Munchausen or something.

    It does seem, though, that Kavanaugh is more likely to be substantively innocent compared to yesterday though.

  235. @candid_observer
    There are any number of lines of attack here.

    Certainly trying to get her to explain how she could be so sure of some of the details of the incident -- such as the names of the boys -- while being incredibly vague on other details is an important one to press on.

    But it may not be obvious how that line of questioning works out. She could just stubbornly say, that's what I remember, and what I don't, and it may be hard to find anything to contradict that account directly.

    But suppose I'm right that, as a clinical psychologist, it's almost a certainty that she went into therapy before 2012.

    I just don't know how she could explain that away. She never mentions earlier therapy in her letter, or in her interview with WaPo. Why? Why wouldn't there be notes from that therapy that would support her claims? She has moreover said, or has been reported to say, that she never spoke to anyone about this matter before 2012. She didn't speak about it in therapy? What sense does that make?

    Among other things, it's a question of documentation here -- or utter lack of it. This is the sort of thing that is generally held to be particularly credible to impartial observers. And withholding that she had been in therapy before would be a major blow to her credibility in any case.

    I just don’t know how she could explain that away. She never mentions earlier therapy in her letter, or in her interview with WaPo. Why? Why wouldn’t there be notes from that therapy that would support her claims? She has moreover said, or has been reported to say, that she never spoke to anyone about this matter before 2012. She didn’t speak about it in therapy? What sense does that make?

    Inference from non-utilization of therapy? Yeah maybe, I just don’t think it cuts as much ice as you do, apparently.

    I suspect it’s going to be fruitful try to nail this down to a particular time and place, see if there are mutual friends, prior proximity, ie dig into the factual foundation of this accusation as best as we can.

  236. Feinstein is now saying that she doesn’t “know if it’s truthful” while still calling for an FBI investigation. The Ds may have shot themselves in the foot with this, expecting the Rs to run to the fainting, er, I mean, compromise couch as they usually do. Grassley and McConnell seem to have grown at least a pair between them.

    Even the aptly named Jeff Flake (R-POS) says he will vote for Kavanaugh if Ford, who is now in hiding and has hired private security, doesn’t show.

  237. @candid_observer
    There are any number of lines of attack here.

    Certainly trying to get her to explain how she could be so sure of some of the details of the incident -- such as the names of the boys -- while being incredibly vague on other details is an important one to press on.

    But it may not be obvious how that line of questioning works out. She could just stubbornly say, that's what I remember, and what I don't, and it may be hard to find anything to contradict that account directly.

    But suppose I'm right that, as a clinical psychologist, it's almost a certainty that she went into therapy before 2012.

    I just don't know how she could explain that away. She never mentions earlier therapy in her letter, or in her interview with WaPo. Why? Why wouldn't there be notes from that therapy that would support her claims? She has moreover said, or has been reported to say, that she never spoke to anyone about this matter before 2012. She didn't speak about it in therapy? What sense does that make?

    Among other things, it's a question of documentation here -- or utter lack of it. This is the sort of thing that is generally held to be particularly credible to impartial observers. And withholding that she had been in therapy before would be a major blow to her credibility in any case.

    But suppose I’m right that, as a clinical psychologist, it’s almost a certainty that she went into therapy before 2012.

    I have known lots of clinical psychologists and there is no reason to think that they have a high rate of going “into therapy.” Rather the opposite since they know that a lot of therapy is BS.

    Clinical psychologists deal mostly with kids with learning difficulties, criminals, and mentally ill people. A lot of their work is performing evaluations for schools and courts.

    • Replies: @candid_observer

    Abstract: A survey of 800 psychologists (return rate = 59.5%) found that of 84% who had been in therapy, only 2 described therapy as unhelpful, 22% found it harmful, 61% reported clinical depression, 29% reported suicidal feelings, 4% reported attempting suicide, 26% reported being cradled by a therapist, 20% reported withholding important (mostly sexual) information, and 10% reported violations of confidentiality. Women were more likely than men to report sexual material in therapy; psychodynamically oriented respondents were more likely to report sexual material. Of those who had terminated, 63% reported recent consideration of resuming therapy. Most believed that therapy should be a requirement of graduate programs and licensure, but only about a third believed therapy mandated by licensing boards for resuming practice after violations of professional standards to be clearly or even likely effective.
     
    https://kspope.com/therapistas/research9.php
    , @Anonymous

    Rather the opposite since they know that a lot of therapy is BS.
     
    Do they? Evidence please.
  238. @snorlax
    Cornyn, Crapo, Cruz, Graham, Hatch, Kennedy and Lee are all lawyers, in Cruz's case one of the best in the country.

    I think it's quite likely the Dems have a second accuser they're waiting to spring, once the Rethuglicans have viciously attacked poor Ms. Ford.

    I think it’s quite likely the Dems have a second accuser they’re waiting to spring, once the Rethuglicans have viciously attacked poor Ms. Ford.

    In fact, it seems like this is the opposite of what’s happening at the moment. The Republicans are looking like they are ready to settle all the family business at this hearing on Monday, but the Democrats are looking for an excuse to run away.

  239. @Jack Hanson
    Apparently Feinstein received a similar letter from this woman regarding Gorsuch during his hearings.

    Whoa! THAT needs to be publicized. Did she get hit on by every conservative in the country?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Whoa! THAT needs to be publicized. Did she get hit on by every conservative in the country?
     
    While we are on the subject, I would like to know if a working majority of Supreme Court judges have had encounters with Stormy Daniels.
  240. @Jonathan Mason

    But suppose I’m right that, as a clinical psychologist, it’s almost a certainty that she went into therapy before 2012.
     
    I have known lots of clinical psychologists and there is no reason to think that they have a high rate of going "into therapy." Rather the opposite since they know that a lot of therapy is BS.

    Clinical psychologists deal mostly with kids with learning difficulties, criminals, and mentally ill people. A lot of their work is performing evaluations for schools and courts.

    Abstract: A survey of 800 psychologists (return rate = 59.5%) found that of 84% who had been in therapy, only 2 described therapy as unhelpful, 22% found it harmful, 61% reported clinical depression, 29% reported suicidal feelings, 4% reported attempting suicide, 26% reported being cradled by a therapist, 20% reported withholding important (mostly sexual) information, and 10% reported violations of confidentiality. Women were more likely than men to report sexual material in therapy; psychodynamically oriented respondents were more likely to report sexual material. Of those who had terminated, 63% reported recent consideration of resuming therapy. Most believed that therapy should be a requirement of graduate programs and licensure, but only about a third believed therapy mandated by licensing boards for resuming practice after violations of professional standards to be clearly or even likely effective.

    https://kspope.com/therapistas/research9.php

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    I did have a quick look at the paper you referenced. It seemed to me that the sample selection for this study was slanted towards psychologists with a psychodynamic orientation, and those in private practice, so the sample might be unrepresentative of the majority of working clinical psychologists.

    Interesting that only 2 found therapy unhelpful, but 22% found it harmful and 10% reported violations of confidentiality.

    Imagine if a survey of dentists found that 22% found that their teeth were damaged when treated by other dentists, 10% had their confidentiality violated, and 4% atttempted suicide as a result.

  241. @candid_observer

    Abstract: A survey of 800 psychologists (return rate = 59.5%) found that of 84% who had been in therapy, only 2 described therapy as unhelpful, 22% found it harmful, 61% reported clinical depression, 29% reported suicidal feelings, 4% reported attempting suicide, 26% reported being cradled by a therapist, 20% reported withholding important (mostly sexual) information, and 10% reported violations of confidentiality. Women were more likely than men to report sexual material in therapy; psychodynamically oriented respondents were more likely to report sexual material. Of those who had terminated, 63% reported recent consideration of resuming therapy. Most believed that therapy should be a requirement of graduate programs and licensure, but only about a third believed therapy mandated by licensing boards for resuming practice after violations of professional standards to be clearly or even likely effective.
     
    https://kspope.com/therapistas/research9.php

    I did have a quick look at the paper you referenced. It seemed to me that the sample selection for this study was slanted towards psychologists with a psychodynamic orientation, and those in private practice, so the sample might be unrepresentative of the majority of working clinical psychologists.

    Interesting that only 2 found therapy unhelpful, but 22% found it harmful and 10% reported violations of confidentiality.

    Imagine if a survey of dentists found that 22% found that their teeth were damaged when treated by other dentists, 10% had their confidentiality violated, and 4% atttempted suicide as a result.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    22% found it harmful, and this is the percentage of practitioners in the very same field! This makes it all the more credible that among the lay people whose testimony I've listened to, the percentage is nearer half.
  242. @Rosamond Vincy
    Whoa! THAT needs to be publicized. Did she get hit on by every conservative in the country?

    Whoa! THAT needs to be publicized. Did she get hit on by every conservative in the country?

    While we are on the subject, I would like to know if a working majority of Supreme Court judges have had encounters with Stormy Daniels.

  243. @Jonathan Mason

    But suppose I’m right that, as a clinical psychologist, it’s almost a certainty that she went into therapy before 2012.
     
    I have known lots of clinical psychologists and there is no reason to think that they have a high rate of going "into therapy." Rather the opposite since they know that a lot of therapy is BS.

    Clinical psychologists deal mostly with kids with learning difficulties, criminals, and mentally ill people. A lot of their work is performing evaluations for schools and courts.

    Rather the opposite since they know that a lot of therapy is BS.

    Do they? Evidence please.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    RTFT, as they say. There's even an excerpt from a scholarly paper you can ignore.
  244. @Boethiuss

    And it certainly happened. Future Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh, then a teenaged minor, got liquored up and made aggressive advances on the accuser. For whatever reason, future Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh gave up on attempted fondling in the first degree and the accuser left the home.
     
    Yeah, I'm not sure it did. I'm especially not sure it did the way Mrs Ford says it did.

    Where we are now is at the worst point of the narrative. Any new facts or developments that happen from here forward are largely going to work to our benefit.

    Where we are now is at the worst point of the narrative. Any new facts or developments that happen from here forward are largely going to work to our benefit.

    Hats off to you. Your consistent ability to fantasize and bloviate in equal measure never ceases to impress.

  245. @Jonathan Mason
    I did have a quick look at the paper you referenced. It seemed to me that the sample selection for this study was slanted towards psychologists with a psychodynamic orientation, and those in private practice, so the sample might be unrepresentative of the majority of working clinical psychologists.

    Interesting that only 2 found therapy unhelpful, but 22% found it harmful and 10% reported violations of confidentiality.

    Imagine if a survey of dentists found that 22% found that their teeth were damaged when treated by other dentists, 10% had their confidentiality violated, and 4% atttempted suicide as a result.

    22% found it harmful, and this is the percentage of practitioners in the very same field! This makes it all the more credible that among the lay people whose testimony I’ve listened to, the percentage is nearer half.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  246. @Anonymous

    Rather the opposite since they know that a lot of therapy is BS.
     
    Do they? Evidence please.

    RTFT, as they say. There’s even an excerpt from a scholarly paper you can ignore.

  247. @Boethiuss
    Ed Whelan is writing some pretty bold checks on Twitter, defending Kavanaugh. I don't know what if anything he knows, but I'm even more confident now.

    I think the situation has completely flipped just since yesterday even.

    It looks like the accuser is going to cut and run, which may be a bad outcome for us. The Democrats will try to argue their way to a draw and might get it. If on the other hand, Mrs Ford can be conclusively refuted, (and Whelan thinks so) this will be huge for the election and the course of the judicial politics moving forward.

  248. @Jack D
    Yeah, just like Anita Hill suffered. Don't be ridiculous - win or lose she is now a saint of the Leftist church and will be hailed for her "bravery" for the rest of her life. She will write a book, go on speaking tours, appear on TV, become "famous". Now fame is a double edged sword but one of those edges is sheathed in money and admiration.

    Anita Hill is what? where? who is she? Ford will suffer the same fate as Monica L. She just realized that – the fact that she was used like a roll of toilet paper. Just look back at how many people the Clintons, Bushes, and Obamas used..used to push their agenda. Ford is neither beautiful, young/impressionable, like Monica. She will be so Monica:d and she knows it! And, dumb-ass Diane F. (hate the fact that she is even living…than my lovely mother) just realized that this is the biggest “blue-dress stain” on her career. Diane will be remembered in history books as the most craven female of the USA Senate when it was still, still a Republic. She is a lying liar of all the lying liars & attention-whore-women who I have always hated…particularly, rotten, amoral Democrat American women. There is a special hell for American Progressive Women – hate ’em all

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Lagertha - Have a Snickers! ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXL8QPWLbBo
  249. @Lagertha
    Anita Hill is what? where? who is she? Ford will suffer the same fate as Monica L. She just realized that - the fact that she was used like a roll of toilet paper. Just look back at how many people the Clintons, Bushes, and Obamas used..used to push their agenda. Ford is neither beautiful, young/impressionable, like Monica. She will be so Monica:d and she knows it! And, dumb-ass Diane F. (hate the fact that she is even living...than my lovely mother) just realized that this is the biggest "blue-dress stain" on her career. Diane will be remembered in history books as the most craven female of the USA Senate when it was still, still a Republic. She is a lying liar of all the lying liars & attention-whore-women who I have always hated...particularly, rotten, amoral Democrat American women. There is a special hell for American Progressive Women - hate 'em all

    Lagertha – Have a Snickers! 😉

  250. @Anonymous
    Don't most people behave differently when inebriated, even slightly? Therefore, drinking inexorably causes loss of reason?

    Inexorably?

    If you drink inexorably, then, yes, you will inexorably loose your reason.

    If you drink in moderation,then you won’t.

    If you want to see the difference in the flesh, then visit and compare an Irish pub and an Italian

    trattoria.

  251. @Boethiuss

    Well, exactly. Right now we don’t know the answer to any of these questions. If he did know her, or know of her, what did he know of her, or what did he think he knew of her? Who invited this minor teen girl to a party with booze. Who did she go with? How did she get there? Whose house was it?

    Right now we do not know any of these, so a Congressional hearing must be held so that the whole world can learn more about the sexual mores of upper middle class teenage white Americans in the early 80s.
     
    Well yes, hyperbolic, facetious or otherwise, that's just what we have to do.

    I have a feeling that right now is the high point of Mrs Ford's narrative against Brett Kavanaugh. If we just do some more investigation, there will be other information that comes out to cast doubts on the severity, the significance, or the actual existence of this incident. But frankly, we don't know for sure so we just have to do some digging and find out.

    One thing I was trying to get at in an earlier comment: if it turns out that Miss Blasey's tormentor was Brendan Callahan from Bethesda High instead of Brett Kavanaugh from Georgetown Prep (and that's very possible), the GOP is in position to get some real benefit from this, both in terms of The Narrative and also the raw politics this November. This is in a situation where the good news for us recently has been real thin on the ground.

    Funny how no one has thought to ask Ms. Blasey if she was drunk too. Or if her professional research on children’s trauma and repressed memories might be coloring her recollection.

    My bet: this incident happened to Ms. Blasey. Such incidents probably happened to her every weekend throughout high school and college. She has no idea whether any of the perpetrators were Brett Kavanaugh, former NFL QB Matt Cavanaugh, early-20th century New York state senator Frederick Kavanaugh, Kate Kavanagh from 50 Shades of Grey, or anyone else in particular.

    But, hey, her story checks the box of being plausible due to her location at the time. She’s a leftist who is tired of people snickering when she says she’s a professor at Palo Alto University, so she figures she’ll at least get some MSNBC get spots and lecture fees out of it Maybe even a Vanity Fair profile.

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