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The prestige press is in a tizzy over the Qanon menace, but never mentions a far more widespread conspiracy theory: that the George Floyd Memorial Riots are due to right-wing Outside Agitators. From a Fox poll released on September 13:

Wow, 33% believe the crazy conspiracy theory that right wing radicals are more to blame for the George Floyd Memorial riots. That is dismaying.

 
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  1. That 33% is black people plus White women. Not all White women. But a substantial majority. Whites are only 60% if the population if that so it’s roughly 2/3 White women believing that because tingles uber alles.

    • Troll: Chris Mallory
  2. That’s what happens when the dissident media is polite.

    • Agree: NickG
  3. Propaganda works. That’s the reason the evil use it. And our media is evil.

    We should be glad that the % of those who believe that any rioting that has occurred was done by anybody but Liberals and Leftists is not higher. That means that after all the propaganda generally for decades about innocent Numinous Negroes and evil whites, and then after this deluge of Saint George Floyd and Satan’s cops and their Deplorable backers, American still have some common sense.

    But they damn well better use it quickly. The other side is ready to wage war to make us all the lowest of serfs.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Jake

    The propaganda produced by Hollywood and Television has probably been more effective than the news outlets. But our education system is another tool of the leftists which has corrupted the youth of America. It is quite shocking to see the lies they teach our children in the schools today. Most whites do not realize how bad the school have become , since the average white couple is 55 years-old and most of their children have already graduated. Over half the students in American public schools are non-whites. This has been true for some time. 60% of the American population may still be white , but how many have children in school today ? less and less, so they do not see how much worse the teachers are today compared to 20 years ago.

    Replies: @nymom

    , @Yngvar
    @Jake

    That's..

    https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/008/588/404/original/7222ec451d898332.png?1567813082

  4. Wikipedia prominently endorsed this theory vis-a-vis ‘Umbrella man’.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Minneapolis

    At least on July 29th, I can’t find the page on internetwaybackmachine, the main intro section at the top of the page read on the last paragraph:

    The vast majority of protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul have been peaceful. In Minneapolis, some initial acts of property destruction on May 27 by a 32-year-old man with ties to white supremacist organizations, who local police investigators said was deliberately inciting racial tension, led to a chain reaction of fires and looting.

    The page has now been expanded and the accusation doesn’t appear anymore. Now it reads:

    At an AutoZone store on East Lake Street, adjacent to the third police precinct station, a masked man carrying an umbrella and sledgehammer was recorded on video breaking windows and spray painting graffiti encouraging looting. Some protesters confronted him and asked him to stop. Later in the evening, the same AutoZone store was set on fire.

    This is far from prominence too.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Altai

    Granting this we have to remember Gavin McInnes's response to Freeway Rick Ross: so there was a Mary Poppins fan, how exactly does that let anybody after him off the hook? You don't have a right to riot. If somebody breaks a window or calls you a disrespectful name, you still don't have the right to riot.
    -----
    I hope all the respectable anti-racist conservatives pursuing Lucy's football now see what abandoning James Fields has gotten them.

    Replies: @cynthia curran

  5. What’s truly dismaying is that Chris Wray believes it, or is at least pushing it. I guess this is just another result of Critical Race Theory indoctrination in government.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Thirdtwin

    The FBI seems to have finally degenerated into a taxpayer-funded version of the SPLC. Meaning that its most significant function now is to generate an ostensible documentary basis for leftist talking points against their enemies. The clearest recent example was the recent designation of QAnon as a "terrorist threat." Lolwut?

    Replies: @gregor

    , @Dan Hess
    @Thirdtwin

    "What’s truly dismaying is that Chris Wray believes it, or is at least pushing it. "

    "The FBI seems to have finally degenerated into a taxpayer-funded version of the SPLC. "

    I think a big problem is that the FBI has for many years hired from Ivy league schools and law schools instead of police and the military.

    What you get is a pool of smarties who went to top left leaning schools and majored in humanities, where their brains were pickled in far-left politics.

    And the occasional 'conservative' FBI brass are of no help because they likely fall into the category of neverTrump, forever war, establishment Republicans, common in DC and vanishingly rare everywhere else.

    John McCain and Mitt Romney each got 7% of the vote in DC in their losing presidential bids in 2008 and 2012 but Trump got only 4% of the vote in DC in his winning presidential bid in 2016. George W. Bush got 9% each time.

    Replies: @Thirdtwin, @guest

    , @Scott in PA
    @Thirdtwin

    What's further dismaying is that Trump personally appointed Wray.

    Replies: @Thirdtwin

  6. The 33% line appears to add to 101.

    It’s late here, so forgive errors in mental arithmetic.

  7. Leftists could plausibly argue that Trump and many police are right wing radicals, and they provoked the protesters, thereby causing the riots. The mayor of Portland has blamed Trump for riots in that city.

    It’s the same line of reasoning used to blame Reagan for AIDS. Reagan may not have been hopping from one gay bathhouse to the next in San Francisco, actively infecting countless hapless homosexuals with his incredible capitalist cowboy stamina, but he was responsible nonetheless. Something he did or said apparently caused mass sodomy to break out. I am not sure what it was, but I have seen it confirmed countless times in print that it was all Reagan’s fault.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Bill P

    The Reagan AIDS thing is that everybody should have just forgotten how homosexuals (and many heterosexuals) were behaving in the disco era, and swooped in with pharmaceutical research and sympathy. In fact Reagan did give what help was available but is hated for having laughed at a joke.

    Replies: @Grace Jones

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @Bill P

    They are now blaming Trump for 200,000 COVID-19 deaths.

    The willingness to believe the official COVID-19 story as truth and the mask/lockdown response as necessary, is proportional to the degree of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    Not that I worship or admire Trump. Just noticing the relationship.

    It's all Trump's fault. Everyone who died from Jan 2017 until today is Trump's fault.

    Trump is responsible for RBG not lying around until the next D administration.

    Replies: @bruce county

    , @Anon
    @Bill P

    So funny, I could never see the connection between Reagan and AIDS either.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    , @Prester John
    @Bill P

    All of which falls under the general category of refusing to accept responsibility for one's own actions.

    Also known by another term: immaturity.

    , @Thomas
    @Bill P

    The other big Reagan canard is that he was responsible for deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill, which led to the modern homeless epidemic. The enthusiasm for deinstitutionalization on the left in the 1960s (Goffman, Szasz, Kesey) has been memoryholed.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Corn

    , @John Pepple
    @Bill P

    He ordered the CIA to create the virus that caused AIDS. Or maybe he withheld funding that was supposed to help find a cure.

    As I recall, though, he was also accused of being too quick to accept Fauci's analysis of the cause of AIDS.

    Replies: @Kronos

  8. It’s something less than a conspiracy theory because of its lack of a coherent story and its easy checking, as with the idea that Russians did “something” in the 2016 election.
    This isn’t so bad. There is a core group of dead-end true believers who are more interested in hating Trump than in being adults, and, while they are surely less than a third of the population, they’ll never be zero per cent, and they will influence apoliticals. Furthermore, consider that this pathetic minority represents the full combined power of the lyingpress, Hollywood, Madison Avenue, David Brock, Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, CensorTube, the fake fact checking groups, and globohomo. All this unprecedented messaging ability. All the might of Hell: thirty-three per cent.
    What is more hope-stirring and perhaps more important is that we’ve got people like William Barr, who is neither a Trump supporter nor a Washington outsider, on our side and focused on the real problem.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @J.Ross

    "William Barr ... on our side"

    Possibly. He comes from an OSS/CIA background -- his father was an OSS officer and remained a CIA agent throughout his postwar academic career; Bill Barr started his government career as a CIA lawyer and became intelligence oligarch Bush I's AG and fixer. So automatically he's suspect. Even if his intentions are honorable he's mired in the muck of a FBI/DOJ bureaucracy that has been critically contaminated by Obama/Holder.

  9. @Bill P
    Leftists could plausibly argue that Trump and many police are right wing radicals, and they provoked the protesters, thereby causing the riots. The mayor of Portland has blamed Trump for riots in that city.

    It's the same line of reasoning used to blame Reagan for AIDS. Reagan may not have been hopping from one gay bathhouse to the next in San Francisco, actively infecting countless hapless homosexuals with his incredible capitalist cowboy stamina, but he was responsible nonetheless. Something he did or said apparently caused mass sodomy to break out. I am not sure what it was, but I have seen it confirmed countless times in print that it was all Reagan's fault.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SaneClownPosse, @Anon, @Prester John, @Thomas, @John Pepple

    The Reagan AIDS thing is that everybody should have just forgotten how homosexuals (and many heterosexuals) were behaving in the disco era, and swooped in with pharmaceutical research and sympathy. In fact Reagan did give what help was available but is hated for having laughed at a joke.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Grace Jones
    @J.Ross

    Federal funding for AIDS mushroomed from $14.5 million in 1983 to nearly a billion dollars in 1988. Until COVID, nobody in history had ever gotten so much money so fast. Ronald Reagan was President, Bush was VP, and a Republican, Sen. Lowell Weicker Jr. of Connecticut, was chairman of the Appropriations Subcommittee that handled money bills for the Department of Health and Human Services. And it didn't happen because of demonstrations, but because the US military was concerned about the safety of its blood supplies.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  10. I doubt most of those 33% actually believe it. They just answer that way to prove their wokeness bonafides, or to skew the poll.

    • Agree: Kronos
    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Crank

    It’s a generally agreed upon lie to maintain unity amongst establishment factions of the Democratic Party.

    , @Sebastian Hawks
    @Crank

    Not sure if they are so demented by Trump Derangement Syndrome they believe this? Or if it's too good of an answer not to click on? Sort of how in the 3rd grade my very smart brother chose a multiple choice answer on a reading test about an article about bees and honey where it discussed some type of bee that makes honey from "dung and dead animals, however this honey tastes very bad" and he just couldn't resist answering the question about what makes the best honey as "dung and dead animals" just to throw shit on the academic establishment as a joke and the dumb teacher was unable to see the whole thing was a farce with him lighting her up and made my mom review the reading project with him at home.

    , @bomag
    @Crank


    I doubt most of those 33% actually believe it.
     
    Good point. I'd guess most of the 33% are far from the action and just spout the proper stock response.
  11. @Altai
    Wikipedia prominently endorsed this theory vis-a-vis 'Umbrella man'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Minneapolis

    At least on July 29th, I can’t find the page on internetwaybackmachine, the main intro section at the top of the page read on the last paragraph:

    The vast majority of protests in Minneapolis–Saint Paul have been peaceful. In Minneapolis, some initial acts of property destruction on May 27 by a 32-year-old man with ties to white supremacist organizations, who local police investigators said was deliberately inciting racial tension, led to a chain reaction of fires and looting.
     
    The page has now been expanded and the accusation doesn’t appear anymore. Now it reads:


    At an AutoZone store on East Lake Street, adjacent to the third police precinct station, a masked man carrying an umbrella and sledgehammer was recorded on video breaking windows and spray painting graffiti encouraging looting. Some protesters confronted him and asked him to stop. Later in the evening, the same AutoZone store was set on fire.
     
    This is far from prominence too.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Granting this we have to remember Gavin McInnes’s response to Freeway Rick Ross: so there was a Mary Poppins fan, how exactly does that let anybody after him off the hook? You don’t have a right to riot. If somebody breaks a window or calls you a disrespectful name, you still don’t have the right to riot.
    —–
    I hope all the respectable anti-racist conservatives pursuing Lucy’s football now see what abandoning James Fields has gotten them.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @cynthia curran
    @J.Ross

    Qannon has not been connected with the riots. They are basically a modern John Birch society group that doesn't like globalism and of course says all the left is into kid sex. The worst I heard is a member of Q annon threated Wiener of California over a bill to lower the penalties for sex with gay men. Its usually been the Boogaloo boys, Militia groups, Aryan Cowboys, and Joe's Prayer breakfast. In fact if Chris Wray said there are some right wingers and down plays Antifa people, will buy this particularity if they are on the left. The right including Bill Barr, Kyle Shielder, should have gotten on the stick on who was involved in the riots since day one.

  12. Conservatives are partly to blame for this, for calling black and leftist rioters “fascists”.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Dave Pinsen


    It plays into their dishonest frame
     
    So does calling them "AntiFA".

    As far as the suspect 33% figure goes, I'm surprised it's that low. Every single one of my leftie friends and family is convinced beyond any hint of a doubt that all of the violence this year was fomented by right-wing nazi fanatics, aided and abetted by President Literally Hitler and Moscow Mitch.

    Not a one of these people watches or reads any fringe sites AFAIK. They quote the NYT, NPR, and the rest of the 'prestige media'. Many of us here--to maintain our sanity--avoid those media like the Plague, but that can mean we're out of touch with just how lunatic their propaganda has become.

    Many of us (myself included) can remember a time when we trusted the major media implicitly. Well, most people still do. We need to remember that.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Ben tillman

    , @anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    That, and never play the cuckservative "hurr durr libs are tha real racits" game

    , @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen

    In modern terms, Fascist is just a word for "bad people", the way some people here use "Jew". You don't have to have any particular set of beliefs or ancestry to be a "Fascist" or a "Jew" , you just have to be someone that the name caller doesn't like. It's not tied to objective reality.

    Replies: @gregor, @dfordoom, @William Badwhite

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Dave Pinsen

    Agreed. The following would be more accurate: Maoist, Jacobin, Trotskyite, totalitarian, authoritarian, Marxist slime. Fascism is really an extreme form of nationalism that produces stylish Hugo Boss uniforms for its leadership and elite corps. American leftists do not like this country and are more aligned with the GloboHomo cabal that has fatally poisoned the West. And they are dreary and dowdy. Not stylish.

    , @ogunsiron
    @Dave Pinsen

    David,

    I was very pleasantly surprised by this short video from Devin Nunes, who's a sitting republican house member from California: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfL7-JBgWr0

    Nunes is a staunch Trump supporter, but he's basically just a hardline mainstream republican and not an obvious member of the dissident Right. Yet, in the video, he clearly and correctly identifies antifa as a *communist* street violence organization founded in Weimar era Germany.

    He does NOT dwell on the "brownshirts" and doesn't claim to be a better antifa than antifa! He focuses on antifa being communist subversives since that time until today. It's interesting to see a rather mainstream politician like that declining to cuck on this issue.

    , @guest
    @Dave Pinsen

    Hey, Dave Pinsen, who said fascism is rightist?

    I mean, I know who. But those people are wrong.

    In any case, when I call people “commie” in my head violence is either implied or not far behind. So we got that association running. (In my head at least.)

    , @Corvinus
    @Dave Pinsen

    "It plays into their dishonest frame that political violence is an exclusively rightist tactic, when leftist authoritarians have a longer history of it."

    Talk about being dishonest! Did a barbell hit your noggin'? Political violence is a tactic embraced by extremists regardless if on the right and on the left. More essentially, fascism is on the far right within the traditional left-right paradigm, given its opposition to Marxism, liberalism, and anarchism.

    Replies: @anon

  13. Something he did or said apparently caused mass sodomy to break out. I am not sure what it was…

    As Governor, he was told that what people do in the privacy of their own public bathhouse stalls was none of his business. He agreed.

    His crime was listening to them.

  14. One of the odd features that JFK assassination conspiracy theorists noted was the presence of an “Umbrella Man” in Dealey Plaza quite close to the motorcade. There was no threat of rain that day but it wasn’t so bright that anyone would need sun protection. According to the more far-out theorists, the umbrella contained a dart that hit Kennedy in the throat and caused him to sit up straight and be an easier target for the head shot.

    Years later a man named Louis Witt came forth and said that he had been the Umbrella Man. He claimed that he was ridiculing JFK’s appeasement of Communism by comparing him to Britain’s former Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain – a close friend of Joseph Kennedy – and his appeasement of Hitler, the link being that Chamberlain usually carried an umbrella.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @prosa123

    "JFK’s appeasement of Communism" would that be JFK not launching nuclear weapons during the bogus Cuban missile crisis?

    Think about it. USMC has been used to crush rebellions in Latin America and world wide. US ground troops, naval, and aviation assets were already stationed on Cuba's island. Castro was allowed to takeover Cuba without USMC or CIA interference. This happened on Eisenhower's ["beware of the MIC" while being a lifelong servant of the MIC] watch. Somehow Castro has avoided the fate of many other Latin American, and world, leaders who wouldn't serve the Corporate masters.

    Then the USSR places its most highly classified national secrets of nuclear warhead and ICBM technology on that island, the one with Gitmo, that is located just 90 miles from Florida, and thousands of miles from the USSR. On an island where the CIA allowed the overthrow by Castro.

    The missiles were fakes. But you saw the images on television, they had to be real!

    Add in the Soviet missile submarine fleet, that was not enough of a deterrent off mainland USA? No reason to park the missiles there, and many reasons not to.

    Not the only fake around the Kennedy family.

    Replies: @gcochran

    , @jon
    @prosa123


    Years later a man named Louis Witt came forth and said that he had been the Umbrella Man. He claimed that he was ridiculing JFK’s appeasement of Communism by comparing him to Britain’s former Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain – a close friend of Joseph Kennedy – and his appeasement of Hitler, the link being that Chamberlain usually carried an umbrella.
     
    That explanation makes me think all the conspiracy theories might actually be true.
  15. Some people are impervious to facts and information, swayed by their own partisan interests, believe media propaganda–especially when not paying close attention?? Say it ain’t so…

  16. @Dave Pinsen
    Conservatives are partly to blame for this, for calling black and leftist rioters “fascists”.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1307496293531607041?s=21

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @anon, @Jack D, @SunBakedSuburb, @ogunsiron, @guest, @Corvinus

    It plays into their dishonest frame

    So does calling them “AntiFA”.

    As far as the suspect 33% figure goes, I’m surprised it’s that low. Every single one of my leftie friends and family is convinced beyond any hint of a doubt that all of the violence this year was fomented by right-wing nazi fanatics, aided and abetted by President Literally Hitler and Moscow Mitch.

    Not a one of these people watches or reads any fringe sites AFAIK. They quote the NYT, NPR, and the rest of the ‘prestige media’. Many of us here–to maintain our sanity–avoid those media like the Plague, but that can mean we’re out of touch with just how lunatic their propaganda has become.

    Many of us (myself included) can remember a time when we trusted the major media implicitly. Well, most people still do. We need to remember that.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Mr McKenna


    Many of us (myself included) can remember a time when we trusted the major media implicitly. Well, most people still do. We need to remember that.

     

    Excellent post, and your conclusion is especially well-stated. Thanks.
    , @Ben tillman
    @Mr McKenna

    Right. Savannah Guthrie on the Today show in early 2017 straight-up said, “Russia hacked the election.” “Hacked” the election, implying that Russia changed the outcome by changing vote tallies.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

  17. anon[410] • Disclaimer says:

    Here is a current article that ties in. Black men with CCW’s in Minneapolis have formed their own defense group. It’s not a militia. NOT a militia, only white soopremecists form those! Yahoo points to an LA Times article.

    https://news.yahoo.com/armed-black-group-men-licensed-100029374.html

    The ad hoc group of about two dozen men — including a retired firefighter, a healthcare worker and a veteran — formed in the days after George Floyd’s killing in response to the local NAACP chapter putting out a call for residents in predominantly Black north Minneapolis to protect small businesses from destruction as fires and unrest engulfed the city.

    “George Floyd’s killing“. Missing word: riot. Missing names: businesses protected.

    Heeding the call, the men — who would meet at a local cafe — stood watch outside small businesses for several nights in late May and early June. More recently, they have patrolled neighborhoods, offering security to protesters, and have been in regular communication with city officials about protests they plan to attend.

    “Stood watch” outside which businesses? Obviously not bookstores or pawn shops. Stood watch looking for whom?

    “It’s important to have men from the community step up for the community,” said Sasha Cotton, director of the city’s Office of Violence Prevention. “It’s their right to be out on the streets and it’s commendable. There are Black residents who in the early days of the unrest felt vulnerable … and still do.”

    Did any of the residents who felt vulnerable spend any time inside the local Target or WalMart?

    Cotton said the Freedom Fighters have also met with Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo, who is Black, and they’re in touch with precinct commanders.

    Leslie Redmond, president of the Minneapolis National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People, said she is happy the men are armed and wants them to grow as community leaders.

    “These brothers were there in the beginning, when threats were being made by white supremacists,” she said. “There is no doubt they stepped up for the community.”

    What threats were made by which ‘white supremacists’, Ms. Redmond? Did you report these threats to the police? Why didn’t you go public with those threats earlier? Are you just making up a story to cover for looting by some members of the M-NAACP?

    Way down in the article:

    Days after Floyd was killed, Taylor said, he heard from neighbors in north Minneapolis about a call to action for licensed gun owners to protect local businesses from vandalism and destruction. The call resonated with him, he said, because he had been frustrated to see people he didn’t recognize from his neighborhood destroying buildings.

    “Floyd was killed” – the same lie repeated.

    “These weren’t Black folks,” he said. “These were outsiders truly intent on destroying this city.”

    Outsiders! From Outside!

    I don’t have a problem with the concept of black self defense groups, not that my opinion would make any difference…although it would be a nice thing if wypipo could do the same and not be targeted by Fedgoons. But I am certain the LA Slimes is lying in multiple ways. Again.

  18. One of Biden’s recent ads is meant to show he condems the violence while insinuating it is right-wing in origin. He even manages to invoke “Trump’s foot soldiers” — read any social media to note that people really believe these things. When ignoring it didn’t work, DNC polling told them blaming the right was the more salient option. The disinformation is really off the charts.

  19. The mainstream media has lied and lied and lied.

    George Floyd, Nick Sandmann, Kyle Rittenhouse, BLM, Russiagate, etc. and now Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s dying wish.

    A free country can’t survive with a media this corrupt.

    • Agree: mark green
  20. Anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:

    Fox polling is not very accurate. Probably because every division of Fox empire is now left leaning.

    Only small islands of non-left programming are scattered across the TV schedules. The websites and radio divisions are left wing.

    There is a weird tension at Fox because all of the ratings stars are right wing but the producers and staff are mostly woke assholes now. You can see it and hear it in all the many small ways the off camera and off mic talent can have their petty impacts.

    If Fox polls say 33% I say the real number is 25% or likely even lower.

  21. @Dave Pinsen
    Conservatives are partly to blame for this, for calling black and leftist rioters “fascists”.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1307496293531607041?s=21

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @anon, @Jack D, @SunBakedSuburb, @ogunsiron, @guest, @Corvinus

    That, and never play the cuckservative “hurr durr libs are tha real racits” game

  22. @Bill P
    Leftists could plausibly argue that Trump and many police are right wing radicals, and they provoked the protesters, thereby causing the riots. The mayor of Portland has blamed Trump for riots in that city.

    It's the same line of reasoning used to blame Reagan for AIDS. Reagan may not have been hopping from one gay bathhouse to the next in San Francisco, actively infecting countless hapless homosexuals with his incredible capitalist cowboy stamina, but he was responsible nonetheless. Something he did or said apparently caused mass sodomy to break out. I am not sure what it was, but I have seen it confirmed countless times in print that it was all Reagan's fault.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SaneClownPosse, @Anon, @Prester John, @Thomas, @John Pepple

    They are now blaming Trump for 200,000 COVID-19 deaths.

    The willingness to believe the official COVID-19 story as truth and the mask/lockdown response as necessary, is proportional to the degree of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    Not that I worship or admire Trump. Just noticing the relationship.

    It’s all Trump’s fault. Everyone who died from Jan 2017 until today is Trump’s fault.

    Trump is responsible for RBG not lying around until the next D administration.

    • Replies: @bruce county
    @SaneClownPosse

    They might as well blame Trump for the 100,000 flu deaths every year and the 350,000 deaths every year from failed medical procedures as well. Lets not forget all the sacred blacks deaths.

  23. @Dave Pinsen
    Conservatives are partly to blame for this, for calling black and leftist rioters “fascists”.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1307496293531607041?s=21

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @anon, @Jack D, @SunBakedSuburb, @ogunsiron, @guest, @Corvinus

    In modern terms, Fascist is just a word for “bad people”, the way some people here use “Jew”. You don’t have to have any particular set of beliefs or ancestry to be a “Fascist” or a “Jew” , you just have to be someone that the name caller doesn’t like. It’s not tied to objective reality.

    • Agree: 36 ulster, dfordoom, Corn
    • Disagree: Cloudbuster, Neuday
    • Replies: @gregor
    @Jack D

    Fascist is a potentially quite useful term that really should be brought back as a neutral descriptive term rather than as a vague political slur.

    I use the term privately in my own head to more or less mean illiberal. The key principle of modern liberalism is absolute equality and non-discrimination even when this is detrimental to society. The rejection of liberalism implies a system which prioritizes "functionality" and "the greater good" for society as a whole. For example, if the issue is women in the military, the principled liberal position is that we must allow women because to exclude them would be unfairly discriminatory. The fascist position would be that you set the rules for optimal military effectiveness with minimal consideration for "equality." Similarly, a "fascist" might be open to not allowing women to vote or barring them from medical school. Or barring homosexuals from having access to youth. In practice, if pure liberalism would cause something critically important to fail some arbitrary exceptions might be made. Really, all societies are "selectively fascist" and ignore liberalism in important domains or in situations where they can't afford pure liberalism. In some cases nobody even thinks about it until liberals take notice and being agitating for equality. At which point the pattern is that we take something functional and destroy it.

    Replies: @guest

    , @dfordoom
    @Jack D


    In modern terms, Fascist is just a word for “bad people”, the way some people here use “Jew”. You don’t have to have any particular set of beliefs or ancestry to be a “Fascist” or a “Jew” , you just have to be someone that the name caller doesn’t like. It’s not tied to objective reality.
     
    Agreed. And the words "communist" and "Marxist" are used the same way.

    Trying to understand the world is hard work. It's much easier to just call people you don't like nasty names.
    , @William Badwhite
    @Jack D

    Way to make it about yourself Jack.

  24. This is not so much a conspiracy theory but one example of a very popular syllogism, which goes like this:

    – A is bad
    – B is bad
    – Therefore, A is caused by B

    Thus, riots were caused by right wing radicals, Trump’s election was caused by Russia, black crime is caused by white supremacy, and pedophile rings were caused by Hillary Clinton (Right? I am not up to date with QAnon.)

  25. @Bill P
    Leftists could plausibly argue that Trump and many police are right wing radicals, and they provoked the protesters, thereby causing the riots. The mayor of Portland has blamed Trump for riots in that city.

    It's the same line of reasoning used to blame Reagan for AIDS. Reagan may not have been hopping from one gay bathhouse to the next in San Francisco, actively infecting countless hapless homosexuals with his incredible capitalist cowboy stamina, but he was responsible nonetheless. Something he did or said apparently caused mass sodomy to break out. I am not sure what it was, but I have seen it confirmed countless times in print that it was all Reagan's fault.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SaneClownPosse, @Anon, @Prester John, @Thomas, @John Pepple

    So funny, I could never see the connection between Reagan and AIDS either.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Anon

    I think the connection was that Mr. Reagan was so "uptight" that he wouldn't approve, say, of the Federal Government providing every person in the country over the age of 12 with free condoms and clean needles?

    People forget that his Surgeon General, you know, the guy with the Amish throat beard, wouldn't shut up about condoms.

  26. I get polled all the time and a couple days ago I was asked what I knew about “kwanon” because the poor Mexican mook who called had no freaking idea what she was reading off to me.

    Anyway, I lie like hell.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Carol

    I wonder why pollsters like you so much? I suppose they share mailing lists with each other, like any other marketing firm.

    I don't think I've been called by a pollster since deep in the landline era. Which is just as well, as I can see from poll results that my heterodox opinions would just confuse them even more.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Carol

  27. 33% don’t believe it. They just say it to support their team.

  28. It’s like the guy who smacks his wife and while she is frozen terrified on the carpet screams at her “see what you made me do!”

  29. @Bill P
    Leftists could plausibly argue that Trump and many police are right wing radicals, and they provoked the protesters, thereby causing the riots. The mayor of Portland has blamed Trump for riots in that city.

    It's the same line of reasoning used to blame Reagan for AIDS. Reagan may not have been hopping from one gay bathhouse to the next in San Francisco, actively infecting countless hapless homosexuals with his incredible capitalist cowboy stamina, but he was responsible nonetheless. Something he did or said apparently caused mass sodomy to break out. I am not sure what it was, but I have seen it confirmed countless times in print that it was all Reagan's fault.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SaneClownPosse, @Anon, @Prester John, @Thomas, @John Pepple

    All of which falls under the general category of refusing to accept responsibility for one’s own actions.

    Also known by another term: immaturity.

  30. Many people in Facebook groups I’m in have been insisting that right wing extremists are responsible for the George Floyd/BLM riots. They think Antifa are simply “anti-fascists”, so they’re good. Many of these people are white women, but some are white men, too.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    What is a Facebook group?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Pericles
    @Anonymous


    Many people in Facebook groups I’m in have been insisting that right wing extremists are responsible for the George Floyd/BLM riots. They think Antifa are simply “anti-fascists”, so they’re good. Many of these people are white women, but some are white men, too.

     

    "OMG, next you will be claiming our basketball team does not actually consist of Knickerbockers?!"
  31. Anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:

    Related topic:

    American medical institutions are corrupt but they poll high…

    We just got another huge retraction by CDC.

    WTF.

    Also turns out Fauci is on 10 x recommended daily intake of vitamin D.

    WTF.

    Twitter is all over this stuff but of course correct info won’t really get down to the street. Medical info is the devil’s playpen anyway.

    Trump recently described bogus big pharma miracle drug Remdesivir as “fantastic”…

    WTF.

    …and he won’t shut up about the evil big pharma vaccine money grab.

    Double WTF.

    Also Trump just retweeted the good news that seven governors have lifted their insane restrictions on Hydroxychloroquine. But mostly he just simply gave up fighting the Great Chloroquine War back in July.

    WTF.

    Bottom line is we are on our own when it comes to medical truths and COVID IS THE BIGGEST MEDICAL HOAX IN HISTORY.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    we are on our own when it comes to medical truths
     
    You mean like the effectiveness of high saturated fat/low carbohydrate diets? Intermittent fasting? Resistance training over “cardio”?
  32. The prestige press is in a tizzy over the Qanon menace,

    Wait, I’m confused. Isn’t Qanon a total, utter, absolute fake?

    How can a total, utter, absolute fake be any kind of a menace?

    • LOL: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @Anon
    @anon

    The left is full of crap about Qanon, but there's no one on the left who will tell them the truth because social media has given them the power to gang up anyone on their own side who disagrees with them. Social media, unfortunately, has revived medieval village life. In the medieval village, malicious gossip could destroy you. Social media has recreated the village with all its pettiness, nonsense, spitefulness--and problems.

    We have a bunch of half-demented leftist loons plotting against our 'village' who are running riot. In village days, the elder males used to clamp down on the fringe elements to keep society from falling apart. We currently have no way to do this. We don't hit our Iagos with legal sanctions.

    In one sense, the Chinese are doing better than us. They zap troublemakers with low 'social credit scores.' Although conservatives are horrified by this and think it will be abused--and they're somewhat right about this--the Chinese are also right that a modern society can't function like a medieval village without breaking into various rival factions and having a civil war.

    A civil war is what America is drifting towards because we have no social sanctions for troublemakers trying to fragment the country. We don't have a culture that currently binds our society together well enough. We need to go after seditious behavior with much greater force. We need to stigmatize those practice it.

    Political power is so important to the left that they'll attack anybody who threatens their chance to gain it. That's why they're going after QAnon. Anything to do with conservatives, they attack. It's because leftists are primitive, medieval village thinkers. If they think conservatives draw power from anything, then that thing must be destroyed. Leftists do not understand conservatives or how conservatives think, and they believe all sorts of myths about us. Ultimately, leftist aren't very bright.

  33. @SaneClownPosse
    @Bill P

    They are now blaming Trump for 200,000 COVID-19 deaths.

    The willingness to believe the official COVID-19 story as truth and the mask/lockdown response as necessary, is proportional to the degree of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    Not that I worship or admire Trump. Just noticing the relationship.

    It's all Trump's fault. Everyone who died from Jan 2017 until today is Trump's fault.

    Trump is responsible for RBG not lying around until the next D administration.

    Replies: @bruce county

    They might as well blame Trump for the 100,000 flu deaths every year and the 350,000 deaths every year from failed medical procedures as well. Lets not forget all the sacred blacks deaths.

  34. 9 out of 10 people said they had never been polled said pollsters.

    That’s as truthy as you can get.

    Trump lied and people died.

    Its the Left again. They so smart ain’t they?

  35. A better/honest question – who to blame for riots: blm or Antifa. The “right wing radicals” are non existent.

  36. Big whoop. This barely even registers on the list of batshit leftwing things the media and the institutions have gotten people to swallow:

    * “Systemic racism”
    * Secret KKK members everywhere
    * The “Boogaloo Bois”
    * 13 don’t do 50
    * Russia made people vote for Trump in 2016
    * “Transgenderism”
    * “Multiracial white supremacy”
    * “Trump is a fascist”
    * Women earn $0.68 on the dollar

    And on and on and on.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Thomas

    Agree, and thanks for the list.

    I was speaking with a high IQ MD recently and the talk went (through no effort on my part) to politics. Turned out he had his own souped-up version of the Russia-hacked-everything conspiracy theory (it involved Edward Snowden somehow).

    When confronted with these cases, I am starting to treat them anthropologically, like an explorer discovering the peculiar folkways of a lost tribe. "Oh, you believe X? Well do you believe Y and Z? If X is true, what about X-squared? X-cubed?" So your list will be a handy standardized set of belief markers.

    Usually it doesn't take long before they sense they are being condescended to and resent it, but still sometimes some interesting worldviews can emerge. Very occasionally they'll even realize that the more they say, the loonier it sounds.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @anon

    , @Anonymous
    @Thomas

    Yeah, if even a half-dozen right-wing agitators were suspected of being behind the unrest in Minneapolis or Portland or Kenosha the response would look something like...

    http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.406641.1314510305!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/alg-elite-fbi-team-jpg.jpg
    https://www.teaparty.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Guns-at-the-Door-Roger-Stone-600x358-1.jpg
    https://rense.com/general96/m66e77659.jpg
    pg

    Replies: @cynthia curran

  37. @prosa123
    One of the odd features that JFK assassination conspiracy theorists noted was the presence of an "Umbrella Man" in Dealey Plaza quite close to the motorcade. There was no threat of rain that day but it wasn't so bright that anyone would need sun protection. According to the more far-out theorists, the umbrella contained a dart that hit Kennedy in the throat and caused him to sit up straight and be an easier target for the head shot.

    Years later a man named Louis Witt came forth and said that he had been the Umbrella Man. He claimed that he was ridiculing JFK's appeasement of Communism by comparing him to Britain's former Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain - a close friend of Joseph Kennedy - and his appeasement of Hitler, the link being that Chamberlain usually carried an umbrella.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @jon

    “JFK’s appeasement of Communism” would that be JFK not launching nuclear weapons during the bogus Cuban missile crisis?

    Think about it. USMC has been used to crush rebellions in Latin America and world wide. US ground troops, naval, and aviation assets were already stationed on Cuba’s island. Castro was allowed to takeover Cuba without USMC or CIA interference. This happened on Eisenhower’s [“beware of the MIC” while being a lifelong servant of the MIC] watch. Somehow Castro has avoided the fate of many other Latin American, and world, leaders who wouldn’t serve the Corporate masters.

    Then the USSR places its most highly classified national secrets of nuclear warhead and ICBM technology on that island, the one with Gitmo, that is located just 90 miles from Florida, and thousands of miles from the USSR. On an island where the CIA allowed the overthrow by Castro.

    The missiles were fakes. But you saw the images on television, they had to be real!

    Add in the Soviet missile submarine fleet, that was not enough of a deterrent off mainland USA? No reason to park the missiles there, and many reasons not to.

    Not the only fake around the Kennedy family.

    • Replies: @gcochran
    @SaneClownPosse

    There were pretty good practical reasons. The Soviets had a fair number of reliable IRBMs and only a few ICBMs. Altogether, the US had a vastly largely nuclear arsenal.

    Put an IRBM in Cuba and it instantly becomes an ICBM, only with shorter warning time.


    Sure, you have to be dumb to not already see this, but you have company: JFK seemed unable to understand it.

  38. @Thirdtwin
    What’s truly dismaying is that Chris Wray believes it, or is at least pushing it. I guess this is just another result of Critical Race Theory indoctrination in government.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Dan Hess, @Scott in PA

    The FBI seems to have finally degenerated into a taxpayer-funded version of the SPLC. Meaning that its most significant function now is to generate an ostensible documentary basis for leftist talking points against their enemies. The clearest recent example was the recent designation of QAnon as a “terrorist threat.” Lolwut?

    • Agree: Mr McKenna, Travis
    • Replies: @gregor
    @Thomas

    The FBI/secret police are all over the supposed white nationalist threat yet for some reason they completely drop the ball when it comes to guys like Epstein.

    Replies: @Thomas, @William Badwhite

  39. 1. That number represents about half of those respondents who don’t know the difference between left and right on the political spectrum, but don’t want to admit it. Some of them probably think right wing means “bad” because the TV says so. I’d estimate this group comprises about 20-30% of the sample size.

    2. A bigger component, of course, is liberals. Donald Trump could personally serve them a delicious ice cream sundae, and a majority would accuse him of serving a steaming bowl of dog poop, even if the serving is 2 feet from their noses. It doesn’t matter. I have never seen so many otherwise normal, highly credentialed, previously skeptical people for whom when it comes to politics reality is what they want to believe.

  40. @Carol
    I get polled all the time and a couple days ago I was asked what I knew about "kwanon" because the poor Mexican mook who called had no freaking idea what she was reading off to me.

    Anyway, I lie like hell.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    I wonder why pollsters like you so much? I suppose they share mailing lists with each other, like any other marketing firm.

    I don’t think I’ve been called by a pollster since deep in the landline era. Which is just as well, as I can see from poll results that my heterodox opinions would just confuse them even more.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Almost Missouri


    I wonder why pollsters like you so much?
     
    She answers her phone, for one thing. No one I know does that anymore, unless we recognize the caller and are in the mood ;)
    , @Carol
    @Almost Missouri

    I tell them I'm independent/undecided so they'll keep calling. I try to figure out which campaign is calling and what they're driving at.

    If you've never done much calling, I have, nobody answers, or they hang up on you. So I may be one of 3 people they actually survey during a shift.

    That gives me more influence than my vote does. I tell them their weak points are strong and their strong points are meh.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  41. @Bill P
    Leftists could plausibly argue that Trump and many police are right wing radicals, and they provoked the protesters, thereby causing the riots. The mayor of Portland has blamed Trump for riots in that city.

    It's the same line of reasoning used to blame Reagan for AIDS. Reagan may not have been hopping from one gay bathhouse to the next in San Francisco, actively infecting countless hapless homosexuals with his incredible capitalist cowboy stamina, but he was responsible nonetheless. Something he did or said apparently caused mass sodomy to break out. I am not sure what it was, but I have seen it confirmed countless times in print that it was all Reagan's fault.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SaneClownPosse, @Anon, @Prester John, @Thomas, @John Pepple

    The other big Reagan canard is that he was responsible for deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill, which led to the modern homeless epidemic. The enthusiasm for deinstitutionalization on the left in the 1960s (Goffman, Szasz, Kesey) has been memoryholed.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    @Thomas

    I hadn't heard that one, I just remember him being blamed for the homeless in general. The releasing of mental patients was never mentioned as a contributing factor to that until maybe Clinton was in office.

    I remember Christopher Jencks acknowledging the de-institutionalizing of mental patients was a big factor long after Reagan was gone, but not mentioning that was what Republicans were saying a decade earlier and that his administration were right about the true number back when the left was thinking the whole country was like NYC in terms of homeless percentage.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Corn
    @Thomas

    Good point. It’s not really talked about now with so much other stuff going on but I remember back in the 90s and 00s some liberal journalists talked as if Reagan invented homelessness.

  42. @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen

    In modern terms, Fascist is just a word for "bad people", the way some people here use "Jew". You don't have to have any particular set of beliefs or ancestry to be a "Fascist" or a "Jew" , you just have to be someone that the name caller doesn't like. It's not tied to objective reality.

    Replies: @gregor, @dfordoom, @William Badwhite

    Fascist is a potentially quite useful term that really should be brought back as a neutral descriptive term rather than as a vague political slur.

    I use the term privately in my own head to more or less mean illiberal. The key principle of modern liberalism is absolute equality and non-discrimination even when this is detrimental to society. The rejection of liberalism implies a system which prioritizes “functionality” and “the greater good” for society as a whole. For example, if the issue is women in the military, the principled liberal position is that we must allow women because to exclude them would be unfairly discriminatory. The fascist position would be that you set the rules for optimal military effectiveness with minimal consideration for “equality.” Similarly, a “fascist” might be open to not allowing women to vote or barring them from medical school. Or barring homosexuals from having access to youth. In practice, if pure liberalism would cause something critically important to fail some arbitrary exceptions might be made. Really, all societies are “selectively fascist” and ignore liberalism in important domains or in situations where they can’t afford pure liberalism. In some cases nobody even thinks about it until liberals take notice and being agitating for equality. At which point the pattern is that we take something functional and destroy it.

    • Replies: @guest
    @gregor

    “Brought back?” Not sure there ever was a neutral time, sir. Fascism was born in the midst of street brawls.

    Maybe it was useful once upon a time in some country with some class of people. But you ever hear G.I. Joe try to describe what fascism is and why they’re fighting it back in the 40s? They had no clue.

    Perhaps that isn’t a fair example, because most of them were dumb and what would they know about European politics? Still, that’s in the midst of a gigantic propaganda campaign amongst minds held captive by Uncle Sam 24 hours a day. When not on leave.

    Replies: @gregor

  43. @Thomas
    Big whoop. This barely even registers on the list of batshit leftwing things the media and the institutions have gotten people to swallow:

    * "Systemic racism"
    * Secret KKK members everywhere
    * The "Boogaloo Bois"
    * 13 don't do 50
    * Russia made people vote for Trump in 2016
    * "Transgenderism"
    * "Multiracial white supremacy"
    * "Trump is a fascist"
    * Women earn $0.68 on the dollar

    And on and on and on.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous

    Agree, and thanks for the list.

    I was speaking with a high IQ MD recently and the talk went (through no effort on my part) to politics. Turned out he had his own souped-up version of the Russia-hacked-everything conspiracy theory (it involved Edward Snowden somehow).

    When confronted with these cases, I am starting to treat them anthropologically, like an explorer discovering the peculiar folkways of a lost tribe. “Oh, you believe X? Well do you believe Y and Z? If X is true, what about X-squared? X-cubed?” So your list will be a handy standardized set of belief markers.

    Usually it doesn’t take long before they sense they are being condescended to and resent it, but still sometimes some interesting worldviews can emerge. Very occasionally they’ll even realize that the more they say, the loonier it sounds.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @Almost Missouri

    "When confronted with these cases, I am starting to treat them anthropologically, like an explorer discovering the peculiar folkways of a lost tribe."

    That's a great analogy! What amazes me is that those folks are indistinguishable from saner folks when it comes to the mundane activities of normal life---kind of like the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @anon
    @Almost Missouri

    When confronted with these cases, I am starting to treat them anthropologically, like an explorer discovering the peculiar folkways of a lost tribe.

    Get some cheap beads. Hand them out from time to time as a token of peace and esteem to those who reveal their ancient folk beliefs to you. None of them will get the joke, which makes it more better!

  44. @Bill P
    Leftists could plausibly argue that Trump and many police are right wing radicals, and they provoked the protesters, thereby causing the riots. The mayor of Portland has blamed Trump for riots in that city.

    It's the same line of reasoning used to blame Reagan for AIDS. Reagan may not have been hopping from one gay bathhouse to the next in San Francisco, actively infecting countless hapless homosexuals with his incredible capitalist cowboy stamina, but he was responsible nonetheless. Something he did or said apparently caused mass sodomy to break out. I am not sure what it was, but I have seen it confirmed countless times in print that it was all Reagan's fault.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @SaneClownPosse, @Anon, @Prester John, @Thomas, @John Pepple

    He ordered the CIA to create the virus that caused AIDS. Or maybe he withheld funding that was supposed to help find a cure.

    As I recall, though, he was also accused of being too quick to accept Fauci’s analysis of the cause of AIDS.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @John Pepple

    If your really bored, “The River” provides a great read on the alternative origins of the AIDS virus. That it originally jumped from monkeys to humans via an experimental polio vaccine tested in 1950s Africa.

    https://www.amazon.com/River-Journey-Source-HIV-AIDS/dp/0316372617

  45. I don’t understand the 33 percent figure. They all believe it, right? Joe Biden refers to it in one of his ads. He says Trump is responsible for any violence that has happened, and that he will turn down the violence, not amp it up.

    Vote for Joe Biden or the endless violence and divisive rhetoric will never stop. All of the discomfort voters feel while watching national politics will vanish if Trump can be defeated.

    They’ve been working on this Big Lie since Trump was elected.

  46. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:

    My take-away from the poll is that the 33% are people who can never be reasoned with. They will have to be defeated in war for us to be safe.
    All my life I have earnestly and naively believed that rational public debate is the proper foundation of politics. Stupid me. The Great Awokening has taught me good and hard that politics flows from the barrel of a gun.
    We have to beat these people in the field.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @anon


    We have to beat these people in the field.
     
    They're hoping like hell that you'll be dumb enough to try that. You'll be crushed within a few hours and they'll then have the excuse they need to send a whole lot of their enemies to Guantanomo Bay.
  47. Right wing radicals exist, and are therefore to blame for everything bad under the sun.

  48. @J.Ross
    It's something less than a conspiracy theory because of its lack of a coherent story and its easy checking, as with the idea that Russians did "something" in the 2016 election.
    This isn't so bad. There is a core group of dead-end true believers who are more interested in hating Trump than in being adults, and, while they are surely less than a third of the population, they'll never be zero per cent, and they will influence apoliticals. Furthermore, consider that this pathetic minority represents the full combined power of the lyingpress, Hollywood, Madison Avenue, David Brock, Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, CensorTube, the fake fact checking groups, and globohomo. All this unprecedented messaging ability. All the might of Hell: thirty-three per cent.
    What is more hope-stirring and perhaps more important is that we've got people like William Barr, who is neither a Trump supporter nor a Washington outsider, on our side and focused on the real problem.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “William Barr … on our side”

    Possibly. He comes from an OSS/CIA background — his father was an OSS officer and remained a CIA agent throughout his postwar academic career; Bill Barr started his government career as a CIA lawyer and became intelligence oligarch Bush I’s AG and fixer. So automatically he’s suspect. Even if his intentions are honorable he’s mired in the muck of a FBI/DOJ bureaucracy that has been critically contaminated by Obama/Holder.

  49. @Thirdtwin
    What’s truly dismaying is that Chris Wray believes it, or is at least pushing it. I guess this is just another result of Critical Race Theory indoctrination in government.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Dan Hess, @Scott in PA

    “What’s truly dismaying is that Chris Wray believes it, or is at least pushing it. ”

    “The FBI seems to have finally degenerated into a taxpayer-funded version of the SPLC. ”

    I think a big problem is that the FBI has for many years hired from Ivy league schools and law schools instead of police and the military.

    What you get is a pool of smarties who went to top left leaning schools and majored in humanities, where their brains were pickled in far-left politics.

    And the occasional ‘conservative’ FBI brass are of no help because they likely fall into the category of neverTrump, forever war, establishment Republicans, common in DC and vanishingly rare everywhere else.

    John McCain and Mitt Romney each got 7% of the vote in DC in their losing presidential bids in 2008 and 2012 but Trump got only 4% of the vote in DC in his winning presidential bid in 2016. George W. Bush got 9% each time.

    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
    @Dan Hess

    “FBI has for many years hired from Ivy league schools and law schools instead of police and the military.”


    Exactly. I’ve heard it said this way: “The FBI used to be staffed with cops who got law degrees, but now it’s staffed with lawyers who got guns.”

    , @guest
    @Dan Hess

    I went to a low-level liberal college and took Criminal Justice only because it fulfilled a requirement for Race Whatever, and I crap you not we started out talking about how Black Panthers were assassinated and eventually got around to Pre-Columbian Native American basket weaving. Which was a vital part of the Law because...

    What was I talking about? Oh yeah, if that was my education I can only wonder what Satanic nonsense Ivy Leaguers learned to prepare them for badges.

    By the way, those classes turned Old Testament law & order on a few subjects. One was lynching. Another was spousal abuse.

  50. @Almost Missouri
    @Carol

    I wonder why pollsters like you so much? I suppose they share mailing lists with each other, like any other marketing firm.

    I don't think I've been called by a pollster since deep in the landline era. Which is just as well, as I can see from poll results that my heterodox opinions would just confuse them even more.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Carol

    I wonder why pollsters like you so much?

    She answers her phone, for one thing. No one I know does that anymore, unless we recognize the caller and are in the mood 😉

  51. @prosa123
    One of the odd features that JFK assassination conspiracy theorists noted was the presence of an "Umbrella Man" in Dealey Plaza quite close to the motorcade. There was no threat of rain that day but it wasn't so bright that anyone would need sun protection. According to the more far-out theorists, the umbrella contained a dart that hit Kennedy in the throat and caused him to sit up straight and be an easier target for the head shot.

    Years later a man named Louis Witt came forth and said that he had been the Umbrella Man. He claimed that he was ridiculing JFK's appeasement of Communism by comparing him to Britain's former Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain - a close friend of Joseph Kennedy - and his appeasement of Hitler, the link being that Chamberlain usually carried an umbrella.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @jon

    Years later a man named Louis Witt came forth and said that he had been the Umbrella Man. He claimed that he was ridiculing JFK’s appeasement of Communism by comparing him to Britain’s former Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain – a close friend of Joseph Kennedy – and his appeasement of Hitler, the link being that Chamberlain usually carried an umbrella.

    That explanation makes me think all the conspiracy theories might actually be true.

  52. @Dave Pinsen
    Conservatives are partly to blame for this, for calling black and leftist rioters “fascists”.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1307496293531607041?s=21

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @anon, @Jack D, @SunBakedSuburb, @ogunsiron, @guest, @Corvinus

    Agreed. The following would be more accurate: Maoist, Jacobin, Trotskyite, totalitarian, authoritarian, Marxist slime. Fascism is really an extreme form of nationalism that produces stylish Hugo Boss uniforms for its leadership and elite corps. American leftists do not like this country and are more aligned with the GloboHomo cabal that has fatally poisoned the West. And they are dreary and dowdy. Not stylish.

  53. @SolontoCroesus

    It is inarguable that Jews have been preparing for over a decade to shift their alliance from USA to China.

    Well, the Chinese are nothing if not quick studies!

    Two New York men are accused of making more than $900,000 in an insider-trading scheme, using confidential information on publicly traded companies from the S&P Dow Jones Indices, the company that manages the S&P 500 benchmark and other indexes.

    Yinghang Yang, a senior index manager, and his friend, Yuanbiao Chen, a manager at a sushi restaurant, were accused of running the scheme for several months last year, according to documents filed in Brooklyn federal court. Mr. Yang was charged with securities fraud and has been arrested.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-n-y-men-accused-of-trading-on-inside-information-from-s-p-dow-jones-indices-11600734328

    “New York Men”

  54. @Almost Missouri
    @Carol

    I wonder why pollsters like you so much? I suppose they share mailing lists with each other, like any other marketing firm.

    I don't think I've been called by a pollster since deep in the landline era. Which is just as well, as I can see from poll results that my heterodox opinions would just confuse them even more.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Carol

    I tell them I’m independent/undecided so they’ll keep calling. I try to figure out which campaign is calling and what they’re driving at.

    If you’ve never done much calling, I have, nobody answers, or they hang up on you. So I may be one of 3 people they actually survey during a shift.

    That gives me more influence than my vote does. I tell them their weak points are strong and their strong points are meh.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Carol

    I've gotten 3 or 4 text messages asking political questions. Most of them are like, "Hi, I'm Stacy. Do you plan to vote for Trump"? I don't respond, delete the text, and block the number. Thanks for selling my info Sprint. Assholes.

  55. @Mr McKenna
    @Dave Pinsen


    It plays into their dishonest frame
     
    So does calling them "AntiFA".

    As far as the suspect 33% figure goes, I'm surprised it's that low. Every single one of my leftie friends and family is convinced beyond any hint of a doubt that all of the violence this year was fomented by right-wing nazi fanatics, aided and abetted by President Literally Hitler and Moscow Mitch.

    Not a one of these people watches or reads any fringe sites AFAIK. They quote the NYT, NPR, and the rest of the 'prestige media'. Many of us here--to maintain our sanity--avoid those media like the Plague, but that can mean we're out of touch with just how lunatic their propaganda has become.

    Many of us (myself included) can remember a time when we trusted the major media implicitly. Well, most people still do. We need to remember that.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Ben tillman

    Many of us (myself included) can remember a time when we trusted the major media implicitly. Well, most people still do. We need to remember that.

    Excellent post, and your conclusion is especially well-stated. Thanks.

  56. Wow, 33% believe the crazy conspiracy theory that right wing radicals are more to blame for the George Floyd Memorial riots. That is dismaying.

    And infuriating because there is not even the tiniest kernel of truth in the claim.

    The WaPo just posted a piece by a Weiner saying that trump is a Russian agent. There was not one scrap of evidence in the piece, and in all fairness this is the kind of election interference (or sedition) that should put someone’s head on a pike. Still, 98% of the WaPo agreed enthusiastically with an assertion that has been repudiated by all of the conspirators from Brennan to Mueller.

  57. @Crank
    I doubt most of those 33% actually believe it. They just answer that way to prove their wokeness bonafides, or to skew the poll.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Sebastian Hawks, @bomag

    It’s a generally agreed upon lie to maintain unity amongst establishment factions of the Democratic Party.

  58. @Anonymous
    Related topic:

    American medical institutions are corrupt but they poll high...

    We just got another huge retraction by CDC.

    WTF.

    Also turns out Fauci is on 10 x recommended daily intake of vitamin D.

    WTF.

    Twitter is all over this stuff but of course correct info won't really get down to the street. Medical info is the devil's playpen anyway.

    Trump recently described bogus big pharma miracle drug Remdesivir as "fantastic"...

    WTF.

    ...and he won't shut up about the evil big pharma vaccine money grab.

    Double WTF.

    Also Trump just retweeted the good news that seven governors have lifted their insane restrictions on Hydroxychloroquine. But mostly he just simply gave up fighting the Great Chloroquine War back in July.

    WTF.

    Bottom line is we are on our own when it comes to medical truths and COVID IS THE BIGGEST MEDICAL HOAX IN HISTORY.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    we are on our own when it comes to medical truths

    You mean like the effectiveness of high saturated fat/low carbohydrate diets? Intermittent fasting? Resistance training over “cardio”?

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  59. @Mr McKenna
    @Dave Pinsen


    It plays into their dishonest frame
     
    So does calling them "AntiFA".

    As far as the suspect 33% figure goes, I'm surprised it's that low. Every single one of my leftie friends and family is convinced beyond any hint of a doubt that all of the violence this year was fomented by right-wing nazi fanatics, aided and abetted by President Literally Hitler and Moscow Mitch.

    Not a one of these people watches or reads any fringe sites AFAIK. They quote the NYT, NPR, and the rest of the 'prestige media'. Many of us here--to maintain our sanity--avoid those media like the Plague, but that can mean we're out of touch with just how lunatic their propaganda has become.

    Many of us (myself included) can remember a time when we trusted the major media implicitly. Well, most people still do. We need to remember that.

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist, @Ben tillman

    Right. Savannah Guthrie on the Today show in early 2017 straight-up said, “Russia hacked the election.” “Hacked” the election, implying that Russia changed the outcome by changing vote tallies.

    • Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Ben tillman

    Which would mean, among other things, that the Deplorables aren't actually to blame.

    I mean, if they wanted to be logically consistent...

  60. Anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas
    Big whoop. This barely even registers on the list of batshit leftwing things the media and the institutions have gotten people to swallow:

    * "Systemic racism"
    * Secret KKK members everywhere
    * The "Boogaloo Bois"
    * 13 don't do 50
    * Russia made people vote for Trump in 2016
    * "Transgenderism"
    * "Multiracial white supremacy"
    * "Trump is a fascist"
    * Women earn $0.68 on the dollar

    And on and on and on.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous

    Yeah, if even a half-dozen right-wing agitators were suspected of being behind the unrest in Minneapolis or Portland or Kenosha the response would look something like…


    pg

    • Replies: @cynthia curran
    @Anonymous

    There might be some on the right, but my guess is most are on the left. Listening to the Tom Woods show, the guy that filmed Kyle Rittenhouse said there were both the Milita and the usual left wing protesters that aimed lasers at each other. Also, the left used chemicals which might have caused Kyle Rittenhouse to use his gun Most of the so-called right way data is from general intelligent while the left was mainly ignored in the earlier rioting. In fact the Richard Police blame the right while Andy Ngo said those that were arrested in Richmond Virginia were mainly on the left. The main group blame on the right is the boogaloo which has members that read vdare and Jared Taylor to those that want to blow up things and believe in a civil war. In fact the boogaloo are more diverse in their thinking than is Antifa.

  61. @Almost Missouri
    @Thomas

    Agree, and thanks for the list.

    I was speaking with a high IQ MD recently and the talk went (through no effort on my part) to politics. Turned out he had his own souped-up version of the Russia-hacked-everything conspiracy theory (it involved Edward Snowden somehow).

    When confronted with these cases, I am starting to treat them anthropologically, like an explorer discovering the peculiar folkways of a lost tribe. "Oh, you believe X? Well do you believe Y and Z? If X is true, what about X-squared? X-cubed?" So your list will be a handy standardized set of belief markers.

    Usually it doesn't take long before they sense they are being condescended to and resent it, but still sometimes some interesting worldviews can emerge. Very occasionally they'll even realize that the more they say, the loonier it sounds.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @anon

    “When confronted with these cases, I am starting to treat them anthropologically, like an explorer discovering the peculiar folkways of a lost tribe.”

    That’s a great analogy! What amazes me is that those folks are indistinguishable from saner folks when it comes to the mundane activities of normal life—kind of like the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Joseph Doaks


    What amazes me is that those folks are indistinguishable from saner folks when it comes to the mundane activities of normal life—kind of like the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
     
    Most people have very little understanding of how the world works or how politics work. They have zero understanding of foreign policy and they have no idea where countries like Iran and Ukraine are. They have no idea why things happen. They have no idea why society is changing. They have no idea why GDP keeps increasing and yet they're worse off. They have no understanding of what the effects of free trade might be compared to the effects of protectionism. They don't know what the heck quantitative easing is. They don't know why they used to have jobs but now they don't. They have no idea how a virus like COVID works.

    And there is no reason why they should. They're just ordinary folks trying to get by, trying to pay the rent.

    So if they're presented with a conspiracy theory that explains everything they believe it. It makes no difference where they might be on the political spectrum. Left, right, liberal, conservative, globalist, populist, libertarian, traditionalist. They all believe conspiracy theories because conspiracy theories make a bewildering world suddenly seem simple. It's all the fault of white supremacists, or fascists, or the Russians, or the Chinese, or the commies, or the cultural marxists, or the Jews, or the Freemasons, or international pedophile rings, or Satanists or whatever.

    Which of the many competing conspiracy theories they believe depends on whether they get their beliefs from the New York Times or Fox News or social media or Unz Review. And it depends on which conspiracy theories their friends believe. If your friends are liberals you'll go for the white supremacist or the Russian conspiracy theories, if your friends are fundamentalist Christians you'll go for the Satanist conspiracy theories, if your friends are rednecks you might choose the "it's all the fault of the Jews" conspiracy theories, if you hang around libertarians you'll choose the ""it's all the fault of the commies" theory, if your friends are Woke you'll go for "systemic racism".
  62. @Anonymous
    Many people in Facebook groups I’m in have been insisting that right wing extremists are responsible for the George Floyd/BLM riots. They think Antifa are simply “anti-fascists”, so they’re good. Many of these people are white women, but some are white men, too.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @Pericles

    What is a Facebook group?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ben tillman

    What is a Facebook group?


    In Facebook groups can be created for a certain interest, a neighborhood, a town, etc. That allows people who join the groups to have discussions about various interests and concerns.

  63. @Thomas
    @Thirdtwin

    The FBI seems to have finally degenerated into a taxpayer-funded version of the SPLC. Meaning that its most significant function now is to generate an ostensible documentary basis for leftist talking points against their enemies. The clearest recent example was the recent designation of QAnon as a "terrorist threat." Lolwut?

    Replies: @gregor

    The FBI/secret police are all over the supposed white nationalist threat yet for some reason they completely drop the ball when it comes to guys like Epstein.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @gregor

    Yeah, they dropped the ball on Epstein alright. The same way LeBron James drops a ball through a net.

    , @William Badwhite
    @gregor


    they completely drop the ball when it comes to guys like Epstein.
     
    And the 9/11 hijackers...and the Boston marathon bombers...and the pyscho in Broward County that shot up the school...
  64. On the subject of mass delusion via propaganda, and its potentially disastrous consequences, may I recommend an excellent essay from First Things. It’s by Gary Saul Morson, a Russian literature specialist at Northwestern.

    Morson compares The Current Year and its discontents to the severe revolutionary ferment in late Czarist Russia. Having recently read Dostoyevsky’s Demons, and learned more about this disquieting era, I think Morson is on the money.

    Here’s the link: Suicide of the Liberals

    • Thanks: black sea, Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @anon
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    Here’s the link: Suicide of the Liberals
     
    That is a very good article.
    What strikes me is that the revolutionaries, then and now, behave like religious devotees. They believe on faith, they dress alike, they have gestures or rites to show solidarity, and above all they view dissent as blasphemy.
    When people stop believing the religion of their ancestors, they don't become non-religious. They substitute a new religion, or they substitute politics.
    If they substitute politics, you get the modern marxist/anarchist/revolutionary Left.
    However true or untrue the religion of our ancestors may be, we are clearly better off politically and practically if people stick with the old time religion instead of inventing a new politics-based faith on the fly.
    And, all you atheists, don't be too harsh on people for needing a religion. It's difficult to live by Reason alone, not only settling all worldly questions through sound reasoning, but also holding yourself together emotionally, psychologically, with no unquestioned beliefs. Such a life will never be for most people.
    Ordinary people aren't stupid - they just aren't professional thinkers. They need beliefs they don't have to question.
    Better to fill that need with the religion our culture has produced over the centuries than with political ideology.
    And if the religion's basic tenets are factually false, so what? Are there really 3 witches on stage in McBeth? Does the fiction make the play any the worse?
  65. @Dave Pinsen
    Conservatives are partly to blame for this, for calling black and leftist rioters “fascists”.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1307496293531607041?s=21

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @anon, @Jack D, @SunBakedSuburb, @ogunsiron, @guest, @Corvinus

    David,

    I was very pleasantly surprised by this short video from Devin Nunes, who’s a sitting republican house member from California:

    Nunes is a staunch Trump supporter, but he’s basically just a hardline mainstream republican and not an obvious member of the dissident Right. Yet, in the video, he clearly and correctly identifies antifa as a *communist* street violence organization founded in Weimar era Germany.

    He does NOT dwell on the “brownshirts” and doesn’t claim to be a better antifa than antifa! He focuses on antifa being communist subversives since that time until today. It’s interesting to see a rather mainstream politician like that declining to cuck on this issue.

    • Thanks: ziggurat
  66. @John Pepple
    @Bill P

    He ordered the CIA to create the virus that caused AIDS. Or maybe he withheld funding that was supposed to help find a cure.

    As I recall, though, he was also accused of being too quick to accept Fauci's analysis of the cause of AIDS.

    Replies: @Kronos

    If your really bored, “The River” provides a great read on the alternative origins of the AIDS virus. That it originally jumped from monkeys to humans via an experimental polio vaccine tested in 1950s Africa.

  67. @Ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    What is a Facebook group?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    What is a Facebook group?

    In Facebook groups can be created for a certain interest, a neighborhood, a town, etc. That allows people who join the groups to have discussions about various interests and concerns.

    • Thanks: Ben tillman
  68. @gregor
    @Thomas

    The FBI/secret police are all over the supposed white nationalist threat yet for some reason they completely drop the ball when it comes to guys like Epstein.

    Replies: @Thomas, @William Badwhite

    Yeah, they dropped the ball on Epstein alright. The same way LeBron James drops a ball through a net.

  69. @SaneClownPosse
    @prosa123

    "JFK’s appeasement of Communism" would that be JFK not launching nuclear weapons during the bogus Cuban missile crisis?

    Think about it. USMC has been used to crush rebellions in Latin America and world wide. US ground troops, naval, and aviation assets were already stationed on Cuba's island. Castro was allowed to takeover Cuba without USMC or CIA interference. This happened on Eisenhower's ["beware of the MIC" while being a lifelong servant of the MIC] watch. Somehow Castro has avoided the fate of many other Latin American, and world, leaders who wouldn't serve the Corporate masters.

    Then the USSR places its most highly classified national secrets of nuclear warhead and ICBM technology on that island, the one with Gitmo, that is located just 90 miles from Florida, and thousands of miles from the USSR. On an island where the CIA allowed the overthrow by Castro.

    The missiles were fakes. But you saw the images on television, they had to be real!

    Add in the Soviet missile submarine fleet, that was not enough of a deterrent off mainland USA? No reason to park the missiles there, and many reasons not to.

    Not the only fake around the Kennedy family.

    Replies: @gcochran

    There were pretty good practical reasons. The Soviets had a fair number of reliable IRBMs and only a few ICBMs. Altogether, the US had a vastly largely nuclear arsenal.

    Put an IRBM in Cuba and it instantly becomes an ICBM, only with shorter warning time.

    Sure, you have to be dumb to not already see this, but you have company: JFK seemed unable to understand it.

  70. @Jake
    Propaganda works. That's the reason the evil use it. And our media is evil.

    We should be glad that the % of those who believe that any rioting that has occurred was done by anybody but Liberals and Leftists is not higher. That means that after all the propaganda generally for decades about innocent Numinous Negroes and evil whites, and then after this deluge of Saint George Floyd and Satan's cops and their Deplorable backers, American still have some common sense.

    But they damn well better use it quickly. The other side is ready to wage war to make us all the lowest of serfs.

    Replies: @Travis, @Yngvar

    The propaganda produced by Hollywood and Television has probably been more effective than the news outlets. But our education system is another tool of the leftists which has corrupted the youth of America. It is quite shocking to see the lies they teach our children in the schools today. Most whites do not realize how bad the school have become , since the average white couple is 55 years-old and most of their children have already graduated. Over half the students in American public schools are non-whites. This has been true for some time. 60% of the American population may still be white , but how many have children in school today ? less and less, so they do not see how much worse the teachers are today compared to 20 years ago.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @nymom
    @Travis

    That is why this virus is really a god-sent to working class parents in urban areas who cannot afford private education for our children. We can home-school in peace now without the usual threats of social workers and truant officers showing up on our doorstep and taking our kids into care under the guise of 'educational neglect' or facing accusations of racism for not throwing our kids into the public school snakepit...

    The public schools were becoming very dangerous places for White and even some Asian kids with assaults, robberies and other crimes being committed against them on an almost daily basis. Not to mention the materials taught in the schools blaming everything bad in the world on their ancestors. It's no wonder so many of them as adults are joining ANTIFA and other nutty groups. It's almost like some sort of medieval penance for Original Sin. If you are Catholic you will get the reference here.

    Anyway my family is taking full advantage of the break and I have begun home-schooling one of my grandchildren; so for the next few years at least, she will be away from the front lines...

    Replies: @Travis

  71. @Thomas
    @Bill P

    The other big Reagan canard is that he was responsible for deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill, which led to the modern homeless epidemic. The enthusiasm for deinstitutionalization on the left in the 1960s (Goffman, Szasz, Kesey) has been memoryholed.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Corn

    I hadn’t heard that one, I just remember him being blamed for the homeless in general. The releasing of mental patients was never mentioned as a contributing factor to that until maybe Clinton was in office.

    I remember Christopher Jencks acknowledging the de-institutionalizing of mental patients was a big factor long after Reagan was gone, but not mentioning that was what Republicans were saying a decade earlier and that his administration were right about the true number back when the left was thinking the whole country was like NYC in terms of homeless percentage.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Unladen Swallow

    The mental hospitals were closed down several years before Regean became president. One just one , order by the satanic Supreme Court did it,
    O’Connor vs Donaldson 1975. The hospitals closed and the mentally ill were put on greyhound busses to the nearest city.

    The cities were not prepared to help and never have. SSI social security for the disabled should have set them all up with a monthly SSI check but what can one expect from an affirmative action black women agency?

  72. @J.Ross
    @Bill P

    The Reagan AIDS thing is that everybody should have just forgotten how homosexuals (and many heterosexuals) were behaving in the disco era, and swooped in with pharmaceutical research and sympathy. In fact Reagan did give what help was available but is hated for having laughed at a joke.

    Replies: @Grace Jones

    Federal funding for AIDS mushroomed from $14.5 million in 1983 to nearly a billion dollars in 1988. Until COVID, nobody in history had ever gotten so much money so fast. Ronald Reagan was President, Bush was VP, and a Republican, Sen. Lowell Weicker Jr. of Connecticut, was chairman of the Appropriations Subcommittee that handled money bills for the Department of Health and Human Services. And it didn’t happen because of demonstrations, but because the US military was concerned about the safety of its blood supplies.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Grace Jones

    Are you from Chicago?

    Replies: @Grace Jones

  73. The rioting wasn’t “done” by “leftists” any more than it was “done” by “rightists.”

    It was done by multi-billionaires who prefer all of us fighting with one another to us fighting against them.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  74. @Thirdtwin
    What’s truly dismaying is that Chris Wray believes it, or is at least pushing it. I guess this is just another result of Critical Race Theory indoctrination in government.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Dan Hess, @Scott in PA

    What’s further dismaying is that Trump personally appointed Wray.

    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
    @Scott in PA

    Trump was only beginning to figure out the plot when he fired Comey, and the pool of “talent” from which he had to pick Comey’s replacement was shallow, yet deep, if you catch my drift. I think almost anybody Trump picked would have turned out just like Wray. At least Trump didn’t promote Acting Director McCabe.

  75. Good ole terrorist of yesteryear would take responsibility for attacks …..these punks today got no self respect.

  76. @Grace Jones
    @J.Ross

    Federal funding for AIDS mushroomed from $14.5 million in 1983 to nearly a billion dollars in 1988. Until COVID, nobody in history had ever gotten so much money so fast. Ronald Reagan was President, Bush was VP, and a Republican, Sen. Lowell Weicker Jr. of Connecticut, was chairman of the Appropriations Subcommittee that handled money bills for the Department of Health and Human Services. And it didn't happen because of demonstrations, but because the US military was concerned about the safety of its blood supplies.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Are you from Chicago?

    • Replies: @Grace Jones
    @J.Ross

    No, and I don't know why it matters.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  77. Anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    The prestige press is in a tizzy over the Qanon menace,

    Wait, I'm confused. Isn't Qanon a total, utter, absolute fake?

    How can a total, utter, absolute fake be any kind of a menace?

    Replies: @Anon

    The left is full of crap about Qanon, but there’s no one on the left who will tell them the truth because social media has given them the power to gang up anyone on their own side who disagrees with them. Social media, unfortunately, has revived medieval village life. In the medieval village, malicious gossip could destroy you. Social media has recreated the village with all its pettiness, nonsense, spitefulness–and problems.

    We have a bunch of half-demented leftist loons plotting against our ‘village’ who are running riot. In village days, the elder males used to clamp down on the fringe elements to keep society from falling apart. We currently have no way to do this. We don’t hit our Iagos with legal sanctions.

    In one sense, the Chinese are doing better than us. They zap troublemakers with low ‘social credit scores.’ Although conservatives are horrified by this and think it will be abused–and they’re somewhat right about this–the Chinese are also right that a modern society can’t function like a medieval village without breaking into various rival factions and having a civil war.

    A civil war is what America is drifting towards because we have no social sanctions for troublemakers trying to fragment the country. We don’t have a culture that currently binds our society together well enough. We need to go after seditious behavior with much greater force. We need to stigmatize those practice it.

    Political power is so important to the left that they’ll attack anybody who threatens their chance to gain it. That’s why they’re going after QAnon. Anything to do with conservatives, they attack. It’s because leftists are primitive, medieval village thinkers. If they think conservatives draw power from anything, then that thing must be destroyed. Leftists do not understand conservatives or how conservatives think, and they believe all sorts of myths about us. Ultimately, leftist aren’t very bright.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  78. about 25% of the country are nutball YT liberals who believe most of what appears in leftist media (which is most of it), so this 33% figure makes sense.

    i am friends with successful, intelligent adult liberals who literally believe a lot of the total BS now being spewed 24 hours a day. it’s amazing to see their brains turn off when politics come up. and some of these people are 50 or 60.

    you would think they would have figured out some things by now and would know better about trusting the word of any politician of any kind. but it seems like their critical thinking ability has been getting worse over time, not better.

  79. @Dave Pinsen
    Conservatives are partly to blame for this, for calling black and leftist rioters “fascists”.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1307496293531607041?s=21

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @anon, @Jack D, @SunBakedSuburb, @ogunsiron, @guest, @Corvinus

    Hey, Dave Pinsen, who said fascism is rightist?

    I mean, I know who. But those people are wrong.

    In any case, when I call people “commie” in my head violence is either implied or not far behind. So we got that association running. (In my head at least.)

  80. @gregor
    @Jack D

    Fascist is a potentially quite useful term that really should be brought back as a neutral descriptive term rather than as a vague political slur.

    I use the term privately in my own head to more or less mean illiberal. The key principle of modern liberalism is absolute equality and non-discrimination even when this is detrimental to society. The rejection of liberalism implies a system which prioritizes "functionality" and "the greater good" for society as a whole. For example, if the issue is women in the military, the principled liberal position is that we must allow women because to exclude them would be unfairly discriminatory. The fascist position would be that you set the rules for optimal military effectiveness with minimal consideration for "equality." Similarly, a "fascist" might be open to not allowing women to vote or barring them from medical school. Or barring homosexuals from having access to youth. In practice, if pure liberalism would cause something critically important to fail some arbitrary exceptions might be made. Really, all societies are "selectively fascist" and ignore liberalism in important domains or in situations where they can't afford pure liberalism. In some cases nobody even thinks about it until liberals take notice and being agitating for equality. At which point the pattern is that we take something functional and destroy it.

    Replies: @guest

    “Brought back?” Not sure there ever was a neutral time, sir. Fascism was born in the midst of street brawls.

    Maybe it was useful once upon a time in some country with some class of people. But you ever hear G.I. Joe try to describe what fascism is and why they’re fighting it back in the 40s? They had no clue.

    Perhaps that isn’t a fair example, because most of them were dumb and what would they know about European politics? Still, that’s in the midst of a gigantic propaganda campaign amongst minds held captive by Uncle Sam 24 hours a day. When not on leave.

    • Replies: @gregor
    @guest

    By “brought back” I just meant redefined in a way that is at least sorta related to actual historical fascism. You are correct that as a term it was probably never used in the way I am suggesting.

    When I say “neutral descriptive term” I’m talking about my proposed usage. A term that has an objective meaning at least potentially can be used in an objective way. Under current usage the term is vague and inherently pejorative. And to confuse the issue even more, it’s a pejorative used by both the left and the right. If it had an actual meaning, then it could be used like “libertarian” or other political labels. You might love or hate libertarians, but at least you have an idea of what the word refers to. These labels are useful shorthand. Liberalism as I described it is at present so dominant that we have don’t really have the language to counter it. I am suggesting that we should introduce such a mental category. Something that would require people to re-examine liberalism. And I think fascism is a decent possibility.

    Regarding the street brawling, that would be the anti-Bolshevist aspect of fascism. The current BLM/antifa stuff is somewhat Bolshevist. If you had a right wing street force that was countering these people, I actually think it would make some sense to call this “fascist.” The thing is though that a lot of Americans would be rooting for such “fascists.” See Rittenhouse for example.

  81. anon[110] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @Thomas

    Agree, and thanks for the list.

    I was speaking with a high IQ MD recently and the talk went (through no effort on my part) to politics. Turned out he had his own souped-up version of the Russia-hacked-everything conspiracy theory (it involved Edward Snowden somehow).

    When confronted with these cases, I am starting to treat them anthropologically, like an explorer discovering the peculiar folkways of a lost tribe. "Oh, you believe X? Well do you believe Y and Z? If X is true, what about X-squared? X-cubed?" So your list will be a handy standardized set of belief markers.

    Usually it doesn't take long before they sense they are being condescended to and resent it, but still sometimes some interesting worldviews can emerge. Very occasionally they'll even realize that the more they say, the loonier it sounds.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @anon

    When confronted with these cases, I am starting to treat them anthropologically, like an explorer discovering the peculiar folkways of a lost tribe.

    Get some cheap beads. Hand them out from time to time as a token of peace and esteem to those who reveal their ancient folk beliefs to you. None of them will get the joke, which makes it more better!

  82. The MSM was pumping that story out early in the days of the Festival Days of Saint George, and DHS recently announcing that Right-Wing extremism is a serious threat to America only throws more fuel on that fire.

  83. @Ben tillman
    @Mr McKenna

    Right. Savannah Guthrie on the Today show in early 2017 straight-up said, “Russia hacked the election.” “Hacked” the election, implying that Russia changed the outcome by changing vote tallies.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Which would mean, among other things, that the Deplorables aren’t actually to blame.

    I mean, if they wanted to be logically consistent…

  84. Since Trump is right-wing, it makes a lot of sense to say, that the riots were caused by right wing activists. – Just keeping things simple… The simpler a calim is, the more effective it is too, since very simple claims are understood by almost everybody. – If you look a public discourse in a purely strategic way, it makes a lot of sense to claim, that the right caused the riots.

    And what should be the reason, not to look at the public discourse about politics in a strategic way? Since Trump is literally Hitler, it would be dangerous and utterly self destructive for a liberal pulic to be too touchy about such hyper-ethical questions, wouldn’t it?

  85. The biggest conspiracy by far, is the alleged morbidity of the Covid-19 virus. It’s not even close. The entire world has been suffering a collective delusion which has cost millions of lives and years of lives in quality of life, child-rearing, education, work and emotional well being.

    Why aren’t largely read folks like Steve, Scott Adams, Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin demanding an immediate Senate Committee to Investigate the US domestic response to Covid 19?

    This must be started immediately after the Senate confirms the next Justice. This entire show is well past it’s due date and needs sunlight to expose who was involved (CCP?), with which US Politicians and private sector beneficiaries.

    Senate Committee to Investigate the US domestic response to Covid 19?

    Must begin now.

  86. @Travis
    @Jake

    The propaganda produced by Hollywood and Television has probably been more effective than the news outlets. But our education system is another tool of the leftists which has corrupted the youth of America. It is quite shocking to see the lies they teach our children in the schools today. Most whites do not realize how bad the school have become , since the average white couple is 55 years-old and most of their children have already graduated. Over half the students in American public schools are non-whites. This has been true for some time. 60% of the American population may still be white , but how many have children in school today ? less and less, so they do not see how much worse the teachers are today compared to 20 years ago.

    Replies: @nymom

    That is why this virus is really a god-sent to working class parents in urban areas who cannot afford private education for our children. We can home-school in peace now without the usual threats of social workers and truant officers showing up on our doorstep and taking our kids into care under the guise of ‘educational neglect’ or facing accusations of racism for not throwing our kids into the public school snakepit…

    The public schools were becoming very dangerous places for White and even some Asian kids with assaults, robberies and other crimes being committed against them on an almost daily basis. Not to mention the materials taught in the schools blaming everything bad in the world on their ancestors. It’s no wonder so many of them as adults are joining ANTIFA and other nutty groups. It’s almost like some sort of medieval penance for Original Sin. If you are Catholic you will get the reference here.

    Anyway my family is taking full advantage of the break and I have begun home-schooling one of my grandchildren; so for the next few years at least, she will be away from the front lines…

    • Replies: @Travis
    @nymom

    I teach in a public school in NJ and have not had a white student in any of my classes in years. My Wife is also a teacher in another school district and has no white students in her High School. My Sister taught in Philadelphia during the late 90s and had zero white children in her school. From my experience teaching in suburban school and urban schools, the propaganda is worse in the suburban schools. In the urban schools they actually spend less time on propaganda , more time trying to teach the basics and more time disciplining the students. Most of the teachers in the urban schools quickly realize the problem we face is low IQ students and students who cannot lean. So trying to indoctrinate them really has little effect when the students cannot multiply or read well.

    But the suburban schools are actually worse in how they teach our children about history and the leftist agenda they promote. This problem is worse in the areas with more whites. Which is one reason we see the rioting in Portland and other mostly white areas , where the indoctrination is more effective due to the lack of People of Color in the classes. Once you get a school which is over 10% Black the indoctrination does not work , because the white students can quickly realize what the real problem is.

  87. @Crank
    I doubt most of those 33% actually believe it. They just answer that way to prove their wokeness bonafides, or to skew the poll.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Sebastian Hawks, @bomag

    Not sure if they are so demented by Trump Derangement Syndrome they believe this? Or if it’s too good of an answer not to click on? Sort of how in the 3rd grade my very smart brother chose a multiple choice answer on a reading test about an article about bees and honey where it discussed some type of bee that makes honey from “dung and dead animals, however this honey tastes very bad” and he just couldn’t resist answering the question about what makes the best honey as “dung and dead animals” just to throw shit on the academic establishment as a joke and the dumb teacher was unable to see the whole thing was a farce with him lighting her up and made my mom review the reading project with him at home.

  88. @Crank
    I doubt most of those 33% actually believe it. They just answer that way to prove their wokeness bonafides, or to skew the poll.

    Replies: @Kronos, @Sebastian Hawks, @bomag

    I doubt most of those 33% actually believe it.

    Good point. I’d guess most of the 33% are far from the action and just spout the proper stock response.

  89. @Scott in PA
    @Thirdtwin

    What's further dismaying is that Trump personally appointed Wray.

    Replies: @Thirdtwin

    Trump was only beginning to figure out the plot when he fired Comey, and the pool of “talent” from which he had to pick Comey’s replacement was shallow, yet deep, if you catch my drift. I think almost anybody Trump picked would have turned out just like Wray. At least Trump didn’t promote Acting Director McCabe.

  90. @Anonymous
    Many people in Facebook groups I’m in have been insisting that right wing extremists are responsible for the George Floyd/BLM riots. They think Antifa are simply “anti-fascists”, so they’re good. Many of these people are white women, but some are white men, too.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @Pericles

    Many people in Facebook groups I’m in have been insisting that right wing extremists are responsible for the George Floyd/BLM riots. They think Antifa are simply “anti-fascists”, so they’re good. Many of these people are white women, but some are white men, too.

    “OMG, next you will be claiming our basketball team does not actually consist of Knickerbockers?!”

  91. @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen

    In modern terms, Fascist is just a word for "bad people", the way some people here use "Jew". You don't have to have any particular set of beliefs or ancestry to be a "Fascist" or a "Jew" , you just have to be someone that the name caller doesn't like. It's not tied to objective reality.

    Replies: @gregor, @dfordoom, @William Badwhite

    In modern terms, Fascist is just a word for “bad people”, the way some people here use “Jew”. You don’t have to have any particular set of beliefs or ancestry to be a “Fascist” or a “Jew” , you just have to be someone that the name caller doesn’t like. It’s not tied to objective reality.

    Agreed. And the words “communist” and “Marxist” are used the same way.

    Trying to understand the world is hard work. It’s much easier to just call people you don’t like nasty names.

  92. @Thomas
    @Bill P

    The other big Reagan canard is that he was responsible for deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill, which led to the modern homeless epidemic. The enthusiasm for deinstitutionalization on the left in the 1960s (Goffman, Szasz, Kesey) has been memoryholed.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Corn

    Good point. It’s not really talked about now with so much other stuff going on but I remember back in the 90s and 00s some liberal journalists talked as if Reagan invented homelessness.

  93. @Joseph Doaks
    @Almost Missouri

    "When confronted with these cases, I am starting to treat them anthropologically, like an explorer discovering the peculiar folkways of a lost tribe."

    That's a great analogy! What amazes me is that those folks are indistinguishable from saner folks when it comes to the mundane activities of normal life---kind of like the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    What amazes me is that those folks are indistinguishable from saner folks when it comes to the mundane activities of normal life—kind of like the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

    Most people have very little understanding of how the world works or how politics work. They have zero understanding of foreign policy and they have no idea where countries like Iran and Ukraine are. They have no idea why things happen. They have no idea why society is changing. They have no idea why GDP keeps increasing and yet they’re worse off. They have no understanding of what the effects of free trade might be compared to the effects of protectionism. They don’t know what the heck quantitative easing is. They don’t know why they used to have jobs but now they don’t. They have no idea how a virus like COVID works.

    And there is no reason why they should. They’re just ordinary folks trying to get by, trying to pay the rent.

    So if they’re presented with a conspiracy theory that explains everything they believe it. It makes no difference where they might be on the political spectrum. Left, right, liberal, conservative, globalist, populist, libertarian, traditionalist. They all believe conspiracy theories because conspiracy theories make a bewildering world suddenly seem simple. It’s all the fault of white supremacists, or fascists, or the Russians, or the Chinese, or the commies, or the cultural marxists, or the Jews, or the Freemasons, or international pedophile rings, or Satanists or whatever.

    Which of the many competing conspiracy theories they believe depends on whether they get their beliefs from the New York Times or Fox News or social media or Unz Review. And it depends on which conspiracy theories their friends believe. If your friends are liberals you’ll go for the white supremacist or the Russian conspiracy theories, if your friends are fundamentalist Christians you’ll go for the Satanist conspiracy theories, if your friends are rednecks you might choose the “it’s all the fault of the Jews” conspiracy theories, if you hang around libertarians you’ll choose the “”it’s all the fault of the commies” theory, if your friends are Woke you’ll go for “systemic racism”.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  94. @guest
    @gregor

    “Brought back?” Not sure there ever was a neutral time, sir. Fascism was born in the midst of street brawls.

    Maybe it was useful once upon a time in some country with some class of people. But you ever hear G.I. Joe try to describe what fascism is and why they’re fighting it back in the 40s? They had no clue.

    Perhaps that isn’t a fair example, because most of them were dumb and what would they know about European politics? Still, that’s in the midst of a gigantic propaganda campaign amongst minds held captive by Uncle Sam 24 hours a day. When not on leave.

    Replies: @gregor

    By “brought back” I just meant redefined in a way that is at least sorta related to actual historical fascism. You are correct that as a term it was probably never used in the way I am suggesting.

    When I say “neutral descriptive term” I’m talking about my proposed usage. A term that has an objective meaning at least potentially can be used in an objective way. Under current usage the term is vague and inherently pejorative. And to confuse the issue even more, it’s a pejorative used by both the left and the right. If it had an actual meaning, then it could be used like “libertarian” or other political labels. You might love or hate libertarians, but at least you have an idea of what the word refers to. These labels are useful shorthand. Liberalism as I described it is at present so dominant that we have don’t really have the language to counter it. I am suggesting that we should introduce such a mental category. Something that would require people to re-examine liberalism. And I think fascism is a decent possibility.

    Regarding the street brawling, that would be the anti-Bolshevist aspect of fascism. The current BLM/antifa stuff is somewhat Bolshevist. If you had a right wing street force that was countering these people, I actually think it would make some sense to call this “fascist.” The thing is though that a lot of Americans would be rooting for such “fascists.” See Rittenhouse for example.

  95. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist
    On the subject of mass delusion via propaganda, and its potentially disastrous consequences, may I recommend an excellent essay from First Things. It's by Gary Saul Morson, a Russian literature specialist at Northwestern.

    Morson compares The Current Year and its discontents to the severe revolutionary ferment in late Czarist Russia. Having recently read Dostoyevsky's Demons, and learned more about this disquieting era, I think Morson is on the money.

    Here's the link: Suicide of the Liberals

    Replies: @anon

    Here’s the link: Suicide of the Liberals

    That is a very good article.
    What strikes me is that the revolutionaries, then and now, behave like religious devotees. They believe on faith, they dress alike, they have gestures or rites to show solidarity, and above all they view dissent as blasphemy.
    When people stop believing the religion of their ancestors, they don’t become non-religious. They substitute a new religion, or they substitute politics.
    If they substitute politics, you get the modern marxist/anarchist/revolutionary Left.
    However true or untrue the religion of our ancestors may be, we are clearly better off politically and practically if people stick with the old time religion instead of inventing a new politics-based faith on the fly.
    And, all you atheists, don’t be too harsh on people for needing a religion. It’s difficult to live by Reason alone, not only settling all worldly questions through sound reasoning, but also holding yourself together emotionally, psychologically, with no unquestioned beliefs. Such a life will never be for most people.
    Ordinary people aren’t stupid – they just aren’t professional thinkers. They need beliefs they don’t have to question.
    Better to fill that need with the religion our culture has produced over the centuries than with political ideology.
    And if the religion’s basic tenets are factually false, so what? Are there really 3 witches on stage in McBeth? Does the fiction make the play any the worse?

  96. @Anon
    @Bill P

    So funny, I could never see the connection between Reagan and AIDS either.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    I think the connection was that Mr. Reagan was so “uptight” that he wouldn’t approve, say, of the Federal Government providing every person in the country over the age of 12 with free condoms and clean needles?

    People forget that his Surgeon General, you know, the guy with the Amish throat beard, wouldn’t shut up about condoms.

  97. @Dan Hess
    @Thirdtwin

    "What’s truly dismaying is that Chris Wray believes it, or is at least pushing it. "

    "The FBI seems to have finally degenerated into a taxpayer-funded version of the SPLC. "

    I think a big problem is that the FBI has for many years hired from Ivy league schools and law schools instead of police and the military.

    What you get is a pool of smarties who went to top left leaning schools and majored in humanities, where their brains were pickled in far-left politics.

    And the occasional 'conservative' FBI brass are of no help because they likely fall into the category of neverTrump, forever war, establishment Republicans, common in DC and vanishingly rare everywhere else.

    John McCain and Mitt Romney each got 7% of the vote in DC in their losing presidential bids in 2008 and 2012 but Trump got only 4% of the vote in DC in his winning presidential bid in 2016. George W. Bush got 9% each time.

    Replies: @Thirdtwin, @guest

    “FBI has for many years hired from Ivy league schools and law schools instead of police and the military.”

    Exactly. I’ve heard it said this way: “The FBI used to be staffed with cops who got law degrees, but now it’s staffed with lawyers who got guns.”

  98. @anon
    My take-away from the poll is that the 33% are people who can never be reasoned with. They will have to be defeated in war for us to be safe.
    All my life I have earnestly and naively believed that rational public debate is the proper foundation of politics. Stupid me. The Great Awokening has taught me good and hard that politics flows from the barrel of a gun.
    We have to beat these people in the field.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    We have to beat these people in the field.

    They’re hoping like hell that you’ll be dumb enough to try that. You’ll be crushed within a few hours and they’ll then have the excuse they need to send a whole lot of their enemies to Guantanomo Bay.

  99. @Jack D
    @Dave Pinsen

    In modern terms, Fascist is just a word for "bad people", the way some people here use "Jew". You don't have to have any particular set of beliefs or ancestry to be a "Fascist" or a "Jew" , you just have to be someone that the name caller doesn't like. It's not tied to objective reality.

    Replies: @gregor, @dfordoom, @William Badwhite

    Way to make it about yourself Jack.

  100. @Jake
    Propaganda works. That's the reason the evil use it. And our media is evil.

    We should be glad that the % of those who believe that any rioting that has occurred was done by anybody but Liberals and Leftists is not higher. That means that after all the propaganda generally for decades about innocent Numinous Negroes and evil whites, and then after this deluge of Saint George Floyd and Satan's cops and their Deplorable backers, American still have some common sense.

    But they damn well better use it quickly. The other side is ready to wage war to make us all the lowest of serfs.

    Replies: @Travis, @Yngvar

    That’s..

  101. “The prestige press is in a tizzy over the Qanon menace…”

    Indeed, Mr. Sailer. Perhaps you ought to do some NOTICING rather than engage in gas lighting.

    “but never mentions a far more widespread conspiracy theory: that the George Floyd Memorial Riots are due to right-wing Outside Agitators.”

    The fact of the matter is that the majority of the protests since April 2020 have been peaceful. There has been a significant amount of looting and violence at the hands of extremists who hide behind the causes that inspired a movement in large part due to the presidential policies of Donald Trump.

    The reality is that there are conflicting reactions among activists, community leaders, and civil rights historians to the violence sparked by the death of George Floyd. On the one hand, violence sabotages a message of social justice and proves counterproductive. On the other, fury over Floyd’s death is understandable given our past, and it could be effective in changing public consciousness.

    Remember, Joseph Biden is on record indicating, “I want to be very clear about all of this: Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting. It’s lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted. Violence will not bring change, it will only bring destruction. It’s wrong in every way. And I challenge Donald Trump to do the same.”

    “Wow, 33% believe the crazy conspiracy theory that right wing radicals are more to blame for the George Floyd Memorial riots. That is dismaying.”

    More like on taking into serious account, Mr. Sailer, that the RWR are playing a role in agitating matters.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/white-supremacists-militias-infiltrate-us-police-report

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=iBbPJsNZMPg&feature=emb_title

    https://www.revolt.tv/2020/6/2/21278508/white-rioters-looters-protests-review

    Of course, there are two things which are patently troubling:

    1) In a 9/2/2020 poll conducted by Civiqs, “an eye-popping 56% of Republican Party voters believe that President Donald Trump is defending the planet from a secret cabal of Satan-worshipping paedophiles and cannibals – mainly comprising ‘deep state’ Government officials, Hollywood celebrities and liberal elites – who are running a child sex-trafficking ring”.

    So, Mr. Sailer, what say YOU? I know, I know, you’ll remain cagey per usual given a considerable amount of your readers have bought hook, line, and sinker to this nonsense, but I have to ask.

    2) Trump openly stated he will not accept the results of his reelection campaign unless he wins. And if he emerges victorious, then the election results were NOT fraudulent.

    Here is my own conspiracy theory…

    The Trump Administration was a giant outgrowth of a successful conspiracy by a cast of characters such as Putin, Klimnik, Manafort, and Prince, to reshape the Middle East and acquire mammon along the way. So far, extraordinarily few alleged professional pattern recognizers have shown much interest at all in the machinations behind the presidency of Donald Trump. It is as almost as if Trump remains a relatively young and well-connected enough of a personage to discourage much inquiry into his emergence into the recent political scene. But my conspiracy theory is plausible.

    But the interesting thing about plausible conspiracy theories: they are boring! Virtually nobody finds this idea interesting, despite all the ironic light it shines on the Trump Administration.

  102. @gregor
    @Thomas

    The FBI/secret police are all over the supposed white nationalist threat yet for some reason they completely drop the ball when it comes to guys like Epstein.

    Replies: @Thomas, @William Badwhite

    they completely drop the ball when it comes to guys like Epstein.

    And the 9/11 hijackers…and the Boston marathon bombers…and the pyscho in Broward County that shot up the school…

  103. @Dave Pinsen
    Conservatives are partly to blame for this, for calling black and leftist rioters “fascists”.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1307496293531607041?s=21

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @anon, @Jack D, @SunBakedSuburb, @ogunsiron, @guest, @Corvinus

    “It plays into their dishonest frame that political violence is an exclusively rightist tactic, when leftist authoritarians have a longer history of it.”

    Talk about being dishonest! Did a barbell hit your noggin’? Political violence is a tactic embraced by extremists regardless if on the right and on the left. More essentially, fascism is on the far right within the traditional left-right paradigm, given its opposition to Marxism, liberalism, and anarchism.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Corvinus

    Talk about being dishonest!

    Let's talk about that. Do you still insist that a police officer stood on George Floyd, a blatant and obvious lie that you can't quite seem to come to grips with?

    Do you lie by habit?

    Do you lie to your employers?

    Or do you just lie here?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  104. @Anonymous
    @Thomas

    Yeah, if even a half-dozen right-wing agitators were suspected of being behind the unrest in Minneapolis or Portland or Kenosha the response would look something like...

    http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.406641.1314510305!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/alg-elite-fbi-team-jpg.jpg
    https://www.teaparty.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Guns-at-the-Door-Roger-Stone-600x358-1.jpg
    https://rense.com/general96/m66e77659.jpg
    pg

    Replies: @cynthia curran

    There might be some on the right, but my guess is most are on the left. Listening to the Tom Woods show, the guy that filmed Kyle Rittenhouse said there were both the Milita and the usual left wing protesters that aimed lasers at each other. Also, the left used chemicals which might have caused Kyle Rittenhouse to use his gun Most of the so-called right way data is from general intelligent while the left was mainly ignored in the earlier rioting. In fact the Richard Police blame the right while Andy Ngo said those that were arrested in Richmond Virginia were mainly on the left. The main group blame on the right is the boogaloo which has members that read vdare and Jared Taylor to those that want to blow up things and believe in a civil war. In fact the boogaloo are more diverse in their thinking than is Antifa.

  105. anon[148] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    @Dave Pinsen

    "It plays into their dishonest frame that political violence is an exclusively rightist tactic, when leftist authoritarians have a longer history of it."

    Talk about being dishonest! Did a barbell hit your noggin'? Political violence is a tactic embraced by extremists regardless if on the right and on the left. More essentially, fascism is on the far right within the traditional left-right paradigm, given its opposition to Marxism, liberalism, and anarchism.

    Replies: @anon

    Talk about being dishonest!

    Let’s talk about that. Do you still insist that a police officer stood on George Floyd, a blatant and obvious lie that you can’t quite seem to come to grips with?

    Do you lie by habit?

    Do you lie to your employers?

    Or do you just lie here?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @anon

    More triggering by my hate facts, ma’am. It’s called context. To stand on someone’s neck’ means:

    –To be victimized by someone, who is controlling everything that you do and thereby preventing you to act or function normally.

    The phrase is appropriate here. Someone preventing you to do something that you naturally do, and feeling like you are being controlled or manipulated by that person to such an extent you cannot even perform basic functions.

    Replies: @anon

  106. @Unladen Swallow
    @Thomas

    I hadn't heard that one, I just remember him being blamed for the homeless in general. The releasing of mental patients was never mentioned as a contributing factor to that until maybe Clinton was in office.

    I remember Christopher Jencks acknowledging the de-institutionalizing of mental patients was a big factor long after Reagan was gone, but not mentioning that was what Republicans were saying a decade earlier and that his administration were right about the true number back when the left was thinking the whole country was like NYC in terms of homeless percentage.

    Replies: @Alden

    The mental hospitals were closed down several years before Regean became president. One just one , order by the satanic Supreme Court did it,
    O’Connor vs Donaldson 1975. The hospitals closed and the mentally ill were put on greyhound busses to the nearest city.

    The cities were not prepared to help and never have. SSI social security for the disabled should have set them all up with a monthly SSI check but what can one expect from an affirmative action black women agency?

  107. @Carol
    @Almost Missouri

    I tell them I'm independent/undecided so they'll keep calling. I try to figure out which campaign is calling and what they're driving at.

    If you've never done much calling, I have, nobody answers, or they hang up on you. So I may be one of 3 people they actually survey during a shift.

    That gives me more influence than my vote does. I tell them their weak points are strong and their strong points are meh.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I’ve gotten 3 or 4 text messages asking political questions. Most of them are like, “Hi, I’m Stacy. Do you plan to vote for Trump”? I don’t respond, delete the text, and block the number. Thanks for selling my info Sprint. Assholes.

  108. @Dan Hess
    @Thirdtwin

    "What’s truly dismaying is that Chris Wray believes it, or is at least pushing it. "

    "The FBI seems to have finally degenerated into a taxpayer-funded version of the SPLC. "

    I think a big problem is that the FBI has for many years hired from Ivy league schools and law schools instead of police and the military.

    What you get is a pool of smarties who went to top left leaning schools and majored in humanities, where their brains were pickled in far-left politics.

    And the occasional 'conservative' FBI brass are of no help because they likely fall into the category of neverTrump, forever war, establishment Republicans, common in DC and vanishingly rare everywhere else.

    John McCain and Mitt Romney each got 7% of the vote in DC in their losing presidential bids in 2008 and 2012 but Trump got only 4% of the vote in DC in his winning presidential bid in 2016. George W. Bush got 9% each time.

    Replies: @Thirdtwin, @guest

    I went to a low-level liberal college and took Criminal Justice only because it fulfilled a requirement for Race Whatever, and I crap you not we started out talking about how Black Panthers were assassinated and eventually got around to Pre-Columbian Native American basket weaving. Which was a vital part of the Law because…

    What was I talking about? Oh yeah, if that was my education I can only wonder what Satanic nonsense Ivy Leaguers learned to prepare them for badges.

    By the way, those classes turned Old Testament law & order on a few subjects. One was lynching. Another was spousal abuse.

  109. • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1308595695398588417

  110. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1308561751789711362
    https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1308562396949159936

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  111. @nymom
    @Travis

    That is why this virus is really a god-sent to working class parents in urban areas who cannot afford private education for our children. We can home-school in peace now without the usual threats of social workers and truant officers showing up on our doorstep and taking our kids into care under the guise of 'educational neglect' or facing accusations of racism for not throwing our kids into the public school snakepit...

    The public schools were becoming very dangerous places for White and even some Asian kids with assaults, robberies and other crimes being committed against them on an almost daily basis. Not to mention the materials taught in the schools blaming everything bad in the world on their ancestors. It's no wonder so many of them as adults are joining ANTIFA and other nutty groups. It's almost like some sort of medieval penance for Original Sin. If you are Catholic you will get the reference here.

    Anyway my family is taking full advantage of the break and I have begun home-schooling one of my grandchildren; so for the next few years at least, she will be away from the front lines...

    Replies: @Travis

    I teach in a public school in NJ and have not had a white student in any of my classes in years. My Wife is also a teacher in another school district and has no white students in her High School. My Sister taught in Philadelphia during the late 90s and had zero white children in her school. From my experience teaching in suburban school and urban schools, the propaganda is worse in the suburban schools. In the urban schools they actually spend less time on propaganda , more time trying to teach the basics and more time disciplining the students. Most of the teachers in the urban schools quickly realize the problem we face is low IQ students and students who cannot lean. So trying to indoctrinate them really has little effect when the students cannot multiply or read well.

    But the suburban schools are actually worse in how they teach our children about history and the leftist agenda they promote. This problem is worse in the areas with more whites. Which is one reason we see the rioting in Portland and other mostly white areas , where the indoctrination is more effective due to the lack of People of Color in the classes. Once you get a school which is over 10% Black the indoctrination does not work , because the white students can quickly realize what the real problem is.

  112. @J.Ross
    @Grace Jones

    Are you from Chicago?

    Replies: @Grace Jones

    No, and I don’t know why it matters.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Grace Jones

    I apologize, you reminded me of someone completely unrelated.

  113. @anon
    @Corvinus

    Talk about being dishonest!

    Let's talk about that. Do you still insist that a police officer stood on George Floyd, a blatant and obvious lie that you can't quite seem to come to grips with?

    Do you lie by habit?

    Do you lie to your employers?

    Or do you just lie here?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    More triggering by my hate facts, ma’am. It’s called context. To stand on someone’s neck’ means:

    –To be victimized by someone, who is controlling everything that you do and thereby preventing you to act or function normally.

    The phrase is appropriate here. Someone preventing you to do something that you naturally do, and feeling like you are being controlled or manipulated by that person to such an extent you cannot even perform basic functions.

    • Troll: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @anon
    @Corvinus

    More triggering by my hate facts, ma’am. It’s called context.

    Lol, your childish lies only trigger amusement. The context of your original lie was obvious.

    To stand on someone’s neck’ means:

    To place one's foot on the portion of the body between the head and the torso and bear down. It is really simple.

    No police officer did that to your drugged up hero George Floyd, you are a liar, Corvinus. Now you are doubling down on your lies, keep it up! Everyone can see that you lie even more clearly.

    Do you lie to your employers?

    Do you lie to your family?

    Or do you only lie here, for pay?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  114. anon[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    @anon

    More triggering by my hate facts, ma’am. It’s called context. To stand on someone’s neck’ means:

    –To be victimized by someone, who is controlling everything that you do and thereby preventing you to act or function normally.

    The phrase is appropriate here. Someone preventing you to do something that you naturally do, and feeling like you are being controlled or manipulated by that person to such an extent you cannot even perform basic functions.

    Replies: @anon

    More triggering by my hate facts, ma’am. It’s called context.

    Lol, your childish lies only trigger amusement. The context of your original lie was obvious.

    To stand on someone’s neck’ means:

    To place one’s foot on the portion of the body between the head and the torso and bear down. It is really simple.

    No police officer did that to your drugged up hero George Floyd, you are a liar, Corvinus. Now you are doubling down on your lies, keep it up! Everyone can see that you lie even more clearly.

    Do you lie to your employers?

    Do you lie to your family?

    Or do you only lie here, for pay?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @anon

    Wow, ma’am, you are over the top in your solipsism.

    —have (one's) foot on (someone's) neck is an idiom.

    To be in a position of control or power over someone else; to have another person in a vulnerable position.

    This expression owes its origin to the following Biblical passage:

    Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings … for thus shall the Lord do to all your enemies against whom ye fight. (Joshua 10:24-25)

    I suspect you will continue to patently misrepresent the context I have repeatedly laid out. You really have lost it, but that is standard fare for the anony’s here on this fine blog. But I will pray for you.

  115. @J.Ross
    @Altai

    Granting this we have to remember Gavin McInnes's response to Freeway Rick Ross: so there was a Mary Poppins fan, how exactly does that let anybody after him off the hook? You don't have a right to riot. If somebody breaks a window or calls you a disrespectful name, you still don't have the right to riot.
    -----
    I hope all the respectable anti-racist conservatives pursuing Lucy's football now see what abandoning James Fields has gotten them.

    Replies: @cynthia curran

    Qannon has not been connected with the riots. They are basically a modern John Birch society group that doesn’t like globalism and of course says all the left is into kid sex. The worst I heard is a member of Q annon threated Wiener of California over a bill to lower the penalties for sex with gay men. Its usually been the Boogaloo boys, Militia groups, Aryan Cowboys, and Joe’s Prayer breakfast. In fact if Chris Wray said there are some right wingers and down plays Antifa people, will buy this particularity if they are on the left. The right including Bill Barr, Kyle Shielder, should have gotten on the stick on who was involved in the riots since day one.

  116. @anon
    @Corvinus

    More triggering by my hate facts, ma’am. It’s called context.

    Lol, your childish lies only trigger amusement. The context of your original lie was obvious.

    To stand on someone’s neck’ means:

    To place one's foot on the portion of the body between the head and the torso and bear down. It is really simple.

    No police officer did that to your drugged up hero George Floyd, you are a liar, Corvinus. Now you are doubling down on your lies, keep it up! Everyone can see that you lie even more clearly.

    Do you lie to your employers?

    Do you lie to your family?

    Or do you only lie here, for pay?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Wow, ma’am, you are over the top in your solipsism.

    —have (one’s) foot on (someone’s) neck is an idiom.

    To be in a position of control or power over someone else; to have another person in a vulnerable position.

    This expression owes its origin to the following Biblical passage:

    Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings … for thus shall the Lord do to all your enemies against whom ye fight. (Joshua 10:24-25)

    I suspect you will continue to patently misrepresent the context I have repeatedly laid out. You really have lost it, but that is standard fare for the anony’s here on this fine blog. But I will pray for you.

  117. @Grace Jones
    @J.Ross

    No, and I don't know why it matters.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I apologize, you reminded me of someone completely unrelated.

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