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Thursday night’s playoff game at 9 pm EDT between the San Francisco Giants (109-57 on the year) and Los Angeles Dodgers (109-58) marks the third time the two venerable franchises met in a deciding game after the regularly scheduled season.

In 1951, the Giants famously won a playoff for the National League pennant 5-4 on Bobby Thomson’s two-out in the 9th three run homer. That game took 2 hours and 28 minutes.

In 1962, the Giants also came from two down in the ninth inning in brand new Dodger Stadium to beat the Dodgers 6-4. That game took 3:00. (The previous game in the 3 game playoff, an 8-7 Dodger victory, had take a then-record 4:18 for a nine-inning game.)

Tuesday’s 7-2 Dodger win over the Giants to keep the Dodgers alive in this five game playoff took 3:38 minutes. The Giants’ 1-0 win the night before was accomplished in a relatively sprightly 3:08. The Giants’ other shutout win, 4-0, in the first game took a remarkably short 2:38.

But the Dodgers’ last deciding game, a 3-1 win over the St. Louis Cardinals in the one-game Wild Card round last week, took an agonizing 4:15.

 
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  1. As average attention span falls, baseball doubles down on the long game. Review the emails, no doubt a racist in the woodpile.

    • Thanks: Charon
    • LOL: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Neil Templeton

    "As average attention span falls, baseball doubles down on the long game."

    It's great. It's a spit in the eye at the social media-insectoid culture to which you most certainly belong. I hope the game lasts eleven hours. The game will be especially exciting for me because Steve and I have made a bet: If the Giants lose I'll stand at the corner of Laurel Canyon and Ventura. Stark naked. If the Dodgers lose I'll parade around Steve's neighborhood in the nude. Either way I win.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @RadicalCenter, @Steve Sailer

  2. It will never end.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Yancey Ward


    It will never end.
     
    It'll be like that AE VanVogt story, Not the First -- they'll get caught in a chain-reaction time loop and keep replaying the top of the eighth, over and over again, until someone figures things out
    , @RadicalCenter
    @Yancey Ward

    We’re not talking about a Raches column, we’re talking about baseball. Please pay attention ;)

  3. As long as the game is competitive and great fun to watch, I don’t care.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Pincher Martin

    I don't understand why R.G. Camara thinks I'm trolling with my comment.

    This is the deciding game of a five-game series between two historic rivals who are both having amazing seasons. Why would anyone care whether the game goes under three hours or lasts more than four?

    The two Giants' victories were both fun to watch, especially the 1-0 victory in Chavez Ravine, but that's because they were competitive, well-pitched games, with amazing defensive plays. It's not because they were short in duration. The Dodgers' victories were less exciting to watch because they were less competitive.

    If the game tonight goes 15 innings and lasts more than five hours, but it's exciting and fun to watch, why would anyone care about the length of the game? Similarly, if one teams wins tonight 9-0 in under 150 minutes, few should laud the brief duration of the game given that most of the audience won't be watching until the final out anyway.

    These discussions about the length of baseball games ought to apply only to the regular season. I can understand why no one wants to watch a nearly four-hour, nine-inning game between two middling teams in late May. But once the playoffs begin, who cares? Just give us some good baseball.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Robert Palmer

  4. You sound like Pat Buchanan,with these questions.

  5. 7:11 … oh, wait, that’s the running time of Hey Jude in minutes.

    I dunno, how about 3:42:22 … what’s the prize for closest time?

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @The Alarmist

    You get a coveted gold box around your comment. My guess is 3:42:23

    Replies: @Known Fact

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @The Alarmist


    I dunno, how about 3:42:22 … what’s the prize for closest time?

     

    Ellenton, Fla. sounds like the dullest ZIP Code in the land:



    http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/zip/34222
  6. The correct answer is:

    Nobody cares because real fans are going to be watching the Astros-Red Sox.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @theMann

    In times like these, we should put our trust in the eternal:
    Let go, Let God, Let’s Go Dodgers.

  7. Mr Sailer, I was hoping you’d post another baseball thread, so I could mention my Atlanta Braves. They beat the Brewers fairly easily. (Because Gamecock Jackie Bradley Jr is out with foot problem?)

    Giants/Dodgers doesn’t matter, either should be highly favored over the Braves. And I think either would beat the AL team, so tonight’s game will likely determine the MLB 2021 champion.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Gamecock

    If the Braves hadn't lost their amazing leadoff man Ronald Acuna, they'd be really good.

    Replies: @Tetra

  8. @Gamecock
    Mr Sailer, I was hoping you'd post another baseball thread, so I could mention my Atlanta Braves. They beat the Brewers fairly easily. (Because Gamecock Jackie Bradley Jr is out with foot problem?)

    Giants/Dodgers doesn't matter, either should be highly favored over the Braves. And I think either would beat the AL team, so tonight's game will likely determine the MLB 2021 champion.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    If the Braves hadn’t lost their amazing leadoff man Ronald Acuna, they’d be really good.

    • Replies: @Tetra
    @Steve Sailer

    Given the circumstances of their season (losing Acuna, Ozuna, and Soroka) it's impressive that they got this far. Making the deals for Jorge Soler, Eddie Rosario, Adam Duvall, and Joc Pederson at the trade deadline while giving up next to nothing was key.

  9. @The Alarmist
    7:11 ... oh, wait, that’s the running time of Hey Jude in minutes.

    I dunno, how about 3:42:22 ... what’s the prize for closest time?

    Replies: @Danindc, @Reg Cæsar

    You get a coveted gold box around your comment. My guess is 3:42:23

    • LOL: The Alarmist
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Danindc

    Is this like The Price is Right -- you have to come as close as possible but not go over?

  10. @Steve Sailer
    @Gamecock

    If the Braves hadn't lost their amazing leadoff man Ronald Acuna, they'd be really good.

    Replies: @Tetra

    Given the circumstances of their season (losing Acuna, Ozuna, and Soroka) it’s impressive that they got this far. Making the deals for Jorge Soler, Eddie Rosario, Adam Duvall, and Joc Pederson at the trade deadline while giving up next to nothing was key.

    • Agree: Gamecock
  11. @Danindc
    @The Alarmist

    You get a coveted gold box around your comment. My guess is 3:42:23

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Is this like The Price is Right — you have to come as close as possible but not go over?

  12. I’ve always liked the Giants, they provide some counterpoint to the Pirates’ annual shipwreck. I remember where I was on that fateful fall day in 1962 when McCovey’s line drive was caught. Hopefully no such crushing irony awaits tonight (or more likely early tomorrow AM). I summon the ghosts of Dan Gladden, Travis Ishikawa and Jeffrey (Don’t Call Me Jeff!) Leonard to provide a historic victory

  13. @Yancey Ward
    It will never end.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @RadicalCenter

    It will never end.

    It’ll be like that AE VanVogt story, Not the First — they’ll get caught in a chain-reaction time loop and keep replaying the top of the eighth, over and over again, until someone figures things out

  14. A lot longer than I’ll ever care.

  15. The 1951 Giants were using a low-tech method to steal signs (a military field scope), which allowed them to make a furious late season comeback to tie the Dodgers and set up the one game playoff. Some of the Dodgers suspected what was going on but couldn’t prove anything.
    https://nypost.com/2002/07/29/51-giants-come-clean-admit-to-sign-stealing-scheme/

  16. It all depends on the Dodgers offense. If the pattern holds the Dodgers will be shut out but hopefully that will not happen!!! It has been a great series. I have not enjoyed a series this much in a long time!

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  17. @Pincher Martin
    As long as the game is competitive and great fun to watch, I don't care.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    I don’t understand why R.G. Camara thinks I’m trolling with my comment.

    This is the deciding game of a five-game series between two historic rivals who are both having amazing seasons. Why would anyone care whether the game goes under three hours or lasts more than four?

    The two Giants’ victories were both fun to watch, especially the 1-0 victory in Chavez Ravine, but that’s because they were competitive, well-pitched games, with amazing defensive plays. It’s not because they were short in duration. The Dodgers’ victories were less exciting to watch because they were less competitive.

    If the game tonight goes 15 innings and lasts more than five hours, but it’s exciting and fun to watch, why would anyone care about the length of the game? Similarly, if one teams wins tonight 9-0 in under 150 minutes, few should laud the brief duration of the game given that most of the audience won’t be watching until the final out anyway.

    These discussions about the length of baseball games ought to apply only to the regular season. I can understand why no one wants to watch a nearly four-hour, nine-inning game between two middling teams in late May. But once the playoffs begin, who cares? Just give us some good baseball.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Pincher Martin

    "I don't understand why R.G. Camera thinks I'm trolling with my comment."

    Look, you're a nice guy. So here's the scoop: R.G. Camera is 38 year old virgin. You don't want the seat next to him on the bus to Reno. Do not expend precious brain matter on what he thinks.

    , @Robert Palmer
    @Pincher Martin

    This series has seen some great baseball! I agree on the Giants' victories and I'm a Dodgers fan! Those two games were the best especially the second game with the Giants holding on to the last batter. The Dodgers came so close time and time again to scoring but the Giants held them scoreless. I enjoyed the other two games as well! It is a series worthy of two great teams!

  18. @Neil Templeton
    As average attention span falls, baseball doubles down on the long game. Review the emails, no doubt a racist in the woodpile.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “As average attention span falls, baseball doubles down on the long game.”

    It’s great. It’s a spit in the eye at the social media-insectoid culture to which you most certainly belong. I hope the game lasts eleven hours. The game will be especially exciting for me because Steve and I have made a bet: If the Giants lose I’ll stand at the corner of Laurel Canyon and Ventura. Stark naked. If the Dodgers lose I’ll parade around Steve’s neighborhood in the nude. Either way I win.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @SunBakedSuburb


    It’s a spit in the eye at the social media-insectoid culture to which you most certainly belong.
     
    Wrong on all. I do reject the ascent of authoritaricrats in professional sport. Better when the athletes played an honest game.
    , @RadicalCenter
    @SunBakedSuburb

    From the late comedian John Pinette discussing his new house: “Have you seen how much blinds cost? I figure if I walk around the house naked long enough, the neighbors will chip in. (Shaking his ample girth) ‘HI, MRS. LIPINSKI!!!’”

    RIP, John.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @SunBakedSuburb

    "If the Giants lose I’ll stand at the corner of Laurel Canyon and Ventura. Stark naked."

    Eh, no need.

  19. @Pincher Martin
    @Pincher Martin

    I don't understand why R.G. Camara thinks I'm trolling with my comment.

    This is the deciding game of a five-game series between two historic rivals who are both having amazing seasons. Why would anyone care whether the game goes under three hours or lasts more than four?

    The two Giants' victories were both fun to watch, especially the 1-0 victory in Chavez Ravine, but that's because they were competitive, well-pitched games, with amazing defensive plays. It's not because they were short in duration. The Dodgers' victories were less exciting to watch because they were less competitive.

    If the game tonight goes 15 innings and lasts more than five hours, but it's exciting and fun to watch, why would anyone care about the length of the game? Similarly, if one teams wins tonight 9-0 in under 150 minutes, few should laud the brief duration of the game given that most of the audience won't be watching until the final out anyway.

    These discussions about the length of baseball games ought to apply only to the regular season. I can understand why no one wants to watch a nearly four-hour, nine-inning game between two middling teams in late May. But once the playoffs begin, who cares? Just give us some good baseball.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Robert Palmer

    “I don’t understand why R.G. Camera thinks I’m trolling with my comment.”

    Look, you’re a nice guy. So here’s the scoop: R.G. Camera is 38 year old virgin. You don’t want the seat next to him on the bus to Reno. Do not expend precious brain matter on what he thinks.

    • LOL: Pincher Martin
    • Troll: R.G. Camara
  20. @Pincher Martin
    @Pincher Martin

    I don't understand why R.G. Camara thinks I'm trolling with my comment.

    This is the deciding game of a five-game series between two historic rivals who are both having amazing seasons. Why would anyone care whether the game goes under three hours or lasts more than four?

    The two Giants' victories were both fun to watch, especially the 1-0 victory in Chavez Ravine, but that's because they were competitive, well-pitched games, with amazing defensive plays. It's not because they were short in duration. The Dodgers' victories were less exciting to watch because they were less competitive.

    If the game tonight goes 15 innings and lasts more than five hours, but it's exciting and fun to watch, why would anyone care about the length of the game? Similarly, if one teams wins tonight 9-0 in under 150 minutes, few should laud the brief duration of the game given that most of the audience won't be watching until the final out anyway.

    These discussions about the length of baseball games ought to apply only to the regular season. I can understand why no one wants to watch a nearly four-hour, nine-inning game between two middling teams in late May. But once the playoffs begin, who cares? Just give us some good baseball.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Robert Palmer

    This series has seen some great baseball! I agree on the Giants’ victories and I’m a Dodgers fan! Those two games were the best especially the second game with the Giants holding on to the last batter. The Dodgers came so close time and time again to scoring but the Giants held them scoreless. I enjoyed the other two games as well! It is a series worthy of two great teams!

    • Agree: Pincher Martin
  21. @The Alarmist
    7:11 ... oh, wait, that’s the running time of Hey Jude in minutes.

    I dunno, how about 3:42:22 ... what’s the prize for closest time?

    Replies: @Danindc, @Reg Cæsar

    I dunno, how about 3:42:22 … what’s the prize for closest time?

    Ellenton, Fla. sounds like the dullest ZIP Code in the land:

    http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/zip/34222

  22. Average time of game for the series has been 3:14, which gives you a good starting point. With Webb and Urias starting in a pitcher’s park, I predict a fair number of 1-2-3 innings and few sustained offensive rallies. So the game could well come in below the average so far.

    Sailer’s mention of the 1951 game is beside the point. That was in the infancy of television, when there were 60-75 second breaks between innings. Nowadays with monster salaries, TV breaks between innings drag on for 3-4 minutes, especially in the postseason. So it’s a big surprise that time of game has lengthened?

    And what some of the smarter commenters say is exactly right: time of game is irrelevant to the interest generated by the contest. If the score is close with both teams constantly threatening to break through, who cares about the time?

    The 4:15 wild card game that Sailer mentions was the best game of the postseason so far. The Cardinals and Dodgers continually threatened – there were 20 baserunners during the game – until Chris Taylor walked it off with the biggest home run of the entire 2021 season.

  23. And so it begins. The Dodgers are on their third pitcher and the Giants already pinch-hit once (not for the pitcher). This is a 0-0 game through three.

    None of these particular moves slowed the game down, but the new micro-managing baseball is tiresome. (Ironically, I am a traditionalist so I opposed the new rule limiting pitching changes.)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @EdwardM

    The big game went reasonably fast in part because there weren't many pitching changes in the middle of an inning. The Dodgers used 6 pitchers, but none of them were brought in during the middle of an inning.

    They used to use a golf cart to hurry in the relief pitchers, but that was phased out many decades ago.

  24. The blogger has done a nice job of promoting the game. But I’m so sick and tired of listening to those dull, network-approved, mealy-mouthed announcers that I won’t watch. Not even muted with close captioning off. However, I will watch the game’s “Let’s Go Brandon” highlight-cheer.

  25. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Neil Templeton

    "As average attention span falls, baseball doubles down on the long game."

    It's great. It's a spit in the eye at the social media-insectoid culture to which you most certainly belong. I hope the game lasts eleven hours. The game will be especially exciting for me because Steve and I have made a bet: If the Giants lose I'll stand at the corner of Laurel Canyon and Ventura. Stark naked. If the Dodgers lose I'll parade around Steve's neighborhood in the nude. Either way I win.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @RadicalCenter, @Steve Sailer

    It’s a spit in the eye at the social media-insectoid culture to which you most certainly belong.

    Wrong on all. I do reject the ascent of authoritaricrats in professional sport. Better when the athletes played an honest game.

  26. Traditionally and historically, once the regular 162 game season ends, you don’t continue to count W’s and L’s. That’s why its called the POSTseason. For those who know better, that’s just feeding into childish ridiculousness. To be consistent, that means that all stats would have to be counted. So if someone has say, 53 HRs during the 162 game season, and hits an additional 20 HR’s during the near month long postseason, then he just tied Bonds 2001 73 HRs (hit during the regular season, not during the postseason). If someone had 290 SOs, and posts 30 SOs during the postseason, then he has 320 SOs for the 2021 “full” season. Or if someone had hit safely in 44 consecutive games during the season, and then hits safely in an additional 24 postseason games, then “obviously” Joe DiMaggio’s MLB record of 56 consecutive games falls by the wayside, and all hail the new “record”. Seriously?

    Is this really what Sabernetics has wrought? Extending season stats and records with postseasons or PEDS, it amounts to the same thing: cheating.

    LA & SF did NOT win 110 games in 2021. They won 106 games, and that’s it.

    Come on, Steve. Dodger Blue never has to stoop to such nonsense.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    LA & SF did NOT win 110 games in 2021. They won 106 games, and that’s it.
     
    Well, if you are going to quibble, then someone needs to let you know that the Giants won 107 games in the regular season.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    If somebody hit 20 homers in, say, a 22 game postseason, that would be the greatest event in baseball history.

    The record for one post-season was set during the 4-round 2020 postseason by Randy Arozarena (2020 Rays): 10, with Corey Seager tied for second with 8 last year.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  27. Terrific game so far. 1-1 in the middle of the seventh but there have been plenty of baserunners and offensive threats. Pace of play has been excellent despite the 120 commercials (only a slight exaggeration). The crowd’s been in it with the constant Beat L.A. chant And Ruf’s home run was a monstrous thing of beauty.

    Even Sailer would have a tough time finding something to complain about in this contest. Well, gotta run. I want to see how it comes out.

    • Replies: @Robert Palmer
    @PassingBy

    First, Dodgers win!!! Second, that check swing did not cross the plate! What a great baseball game!

  28. Another magnificent game!!! What a pitching duel between the Dodgers and Giants so far.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Robert Palmer

    Tremendous game. Logan Webb pitched an amazing seven innings. Mookie Betts was the only Dodger who had his number tonight. But the Giants' strategy of swinging for homers failed to deliver more than one run tonight.

    Great game; great series.

    Replies: @Robert Palmer, @Steve Sailer

  29. What a game! Too bad it ended on a horrendously bad call. To be fair, though, the Dodgers deserved to win the series. They outscored the Giants 18-10.

    Tough for the kid Doval. But he dug his own grave by hitting Turner, who was ice-cold. Nice that Bellinger is getting a little redemption after a horrendous year.

    Time of game was 3:26. In the old days of many fewer commercials, it would have been maybe 2:35. For all you folks who obsess about time of game.

  30. @PassingBy
    Terrific game so far. 1-1 in the middle of the seventh but there have been plenty of baserunners and offensive threats. Pace of play has been excellent despite the 120 commercials (only a slight exaggeration). The crowd's been in it with the constant Beat L.A. chant And Ruf's home run was a monstrous thing of beauty.

    Even Sailer would have a tough time finding something to complain about in this contest. Well, gotta run. I want to see how it comes out.

    Replies: @Robert Palmer

    First, Dodgers win!!! Second, that check swing did not cross the plate! What a great baseball game!

  31. To a specific sort of fan, it was one of the most thrilling games ever played.

    On the other hand, if you can’t stand the Dodgers, it was like waiting on the edge of your seat for the phone to ring and the Governor to call off your brother’s execution. Then the streetlamp outside starts flickering: guess not. Addio, bro.

  32. @Robert Palmer
    Another magnificent game!!! What a pitching duel between the Dodgers and Giants so far.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    Tremendous game. Logan Webb pitched an amazing seven innings. Mookie Betts was the only Dodger who had his number tonight. But the Giants’ strategy of swinging for homers failed to deliver more than one run tonight.

    Great game; great series.

    • Replies: @Robert Palmer
    @Pincher Martin

    Webb was incredible both games he started! I hated the way the game ended but am happy with the result. A great series in a great season for both teams! It was great baseball to watch. At this point if the Dodgers don’t win another game I’ll still be happy because they beat the Giants!!!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Pincher Martin

    It was fun that the Dodgers won the Big Game without hitting a homer. Bellinger's 9th inning game-winning single by choking up on the bat like Eddie Collins in 1911 (and still hitting it 101 mph) was more gorgeous than almost any homer.

    https://www.mlb.com/dodgers/video/cody-bellinger-s-go-ahead-single

  33. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Traditionally and historically, once the regular 162 game season ends, you don't continue to count W's and L's. That's why its called the POSTseason. For those who know better, that's just feeding into childish ridiculousness. To be consistent, that means that all stats would have to be counted. So if someone has say, 53 HRs during the 162 game season, and hits an additional 20 HR's during the near month long postseason, then he just tied Bonds 2001 73 HRs (hit during the regular season, not during the postseason). If someone had 290 SOs, and posts 30 SOs during the postseason, then he has 320 SOs for the 2021 "full" season. Or if someone had hit safely in 44 consecutive games during the season, and then hits safely in an additional 24 postseason games, then "obviously" Joe DiMaggio's MLB record of 56 consecutive games falls by the wayside, and all hail the new "record". Seriously?

    Is this really what Sabernetics has wrought? Extending season stats and records with postseasons or PEDS, it amounts to the same thing: cheating.

    LA & SF did NOT win 110 games in 2021. They won 106 games, and that's it.

    Come on, Steve. Dodger Blue never has to stoop to such nonsense.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Steve Sailer

    LA & SF did NOT win 110 games in 2021. They won 106 games, and that’s it.

    Well, if you are going to quibble, then someone needs to let you know that the Giants won 107 games in the regular season.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Pincher Martin

    And in the words of Archie (Bunker):

    Yeah, whatever.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

  34. @Pincher Martin
    @Robert Palmer

    Tremendous game. Logan Webb pitched an amazing seven innings. Mookie Betts was the only Dodger who had his number tonight. But the Giants' strategy of swinging for homers failed to deliver more than one run tonight.

    Great game; great series.

    Replies: @Robert Palmer, @Steve Sailer

    Webb was incredible both games he started! I hated the way the game ended but am happy with the result. A great series in a great season for both teams! It was great baseball to watch. At this point if the Dodgers don’t win another game I’ll still be happy because they beat the Giants!!!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Robert Palmer

    Did Logan Webb get the series MVP award in a losing cause? He deserved it.

    Replies: @PassingBy, @Robert Palmer, @Steve Sailer

  35. @Robert Palmer
    @Pincher Martin

    Webb was incredible both games he started! I hated the way the game ended but am happy with the result. A great series in a great season for both teams! It was great baseball to watch. At this point if the Dodgers don’t win another game I’ll still be happy because they beat the Giants!!!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Did Logan Webb get the series MVP award in a losing cause? He deserved it.

    • Replies: @PassingBy
    @Steve Sailer

    No MVP awards in the division series. Only in the LCS and World Series. But Webb would deserve it if they gave one out.

    , @Robert Palmer
    @Steve Sailer

    Do they give out MVPs in the division series? He was definitely the best starting pitcher in the series!

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    How many times has a losing player in a postseason series won the MVP award?

    Jerry West won the first NBA Finals MVP in 1970 against the New York Knicks, the year he sank the 63 foot buzzer beater. But not too many since then.

    LeBron was pretty awesome a few years ago in the initial defeats before getting hurt and being bearied by Durant's Warriors.

    Replies: @Danindc

  36. 3 hours and 26 minutes.

  37. @Steve Sailer
    @Robert Palmer

    Did Logan Webb get the series MVP award in a losing cause? He deserved it.

    Replies: @PassingBy, @Robert Palmer, @Steve Sailer

    No MVP awards in the division series. Only in the LCS and World Series. But Webb would deserve it if they gave one out.

    • Agree: Robert Palmer
  38. Flores, whose check swing ended the series, has faced 735 mlb pitchers, only 4 of them more times than M. Scherzer.

    In 18 PA’s he has 0 hits, 1 BB and 8 SO’s.

    The ump gave Flores the Old Yeller treatment. Which brought a nostalgic tear to my eye.

    At least this time the Dodgers didn’t break his leg.

  39. @Pincher Martin
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    LA & SF did NOT win 110 games in 2021. They won 106 games, and that’s it.
     
    Well, if you are going to quibble, then someone needs to let you know that the Giants won 107 games in the regular season.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    And in the words of Archie (Bunker):

    Yeah, whatever.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Archie Bunker wouldn't have whined about playoff wins being added to regular season wins.

  40. Look, you whiner Boomers, it’s the damn 21st century! Get yourselves a DVR, like everyone else.

    All models come with a Fast Forward button. Watching a Braves game takes me less than a half hour. Whining about how long the game takes tells us about you, not the game.

  41. I’m surprised the Braves get the first two games at home, 4 of the 7*. Anyone know how they pulled that off?

    Will Gavin Newsom allow the Dodgers to travel to Atlanta?

    *If needed (starting to see the asterick on everything)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Gamecock

    The Braves won their regional division, while the Dodgers did not, so the Braves get (the slight) home field advantage. Lots of people are saying the post-season seedings (e.g., the scary Wild Card Game) should be on overall wins rather than winning your division, but ... then the Dodgers would have coasted thru September knowing they at least had #2 seed locked up and wouldn't have to risk their year in a one-game first round. Instead the advantages of winning your division are large enough that the Dodgers and Giants played a great September stretch drive all the way through the 162nd game.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @RadicalCenter, @Gamecock

  42. @Yancey Ward
    It will never end.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @RadicalCenter

    We’re not talking about a Raches column, we’re talking about baseball. Please pay attention 😉

  43. @theMann
    The correct answer is:

    Nobody cares because real fans are going to be watching the Astros-Red Sox.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    In times like these, we should put our trust in the eternal:
    Let go, Let God, Let’s Go Dodgers.

  44. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Neil Templeton

    "As average attention span falls, baseball doubles down on the long game."

    It's great. It's a spit in the eye at the social media-insectoid culture to which you most certainly belong. I hope the game lasts eleven hours. The game will be especially exciting for me because Steve and I have made a bet: If the Giants lose I'll stand at the corner of Laurel Canyon and Ventura. Stark naked. If the Dodgers lose I'll parade around Steve's neighborhood in the nude. Either way I win.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @RadicalCenter, @Steve Sailer

    From the late comedian John Pinette discussing his new house: “Have you seen how much blinds cost? I figure if I walk around the house naked long enough, the neighbors will chip in. (Shaking his ample girth) ‘HI, MRS. LIPINSKI!!!’”

    RIP, John.

  45. @Steve Sailer
    @Robert Palmer

    Did Logan Webb get the series MVP award in a losing cause? He deserved it.

    Replies: @PassingBy, @Robert Palmer, @Steve Sailer

    Do they give out MVPs in the division series? He was definitely the best starting pitcher in the series!

  46. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Pincher Martin

    And in the words of Archie (Bunker):

    Yeah, whatever.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin

    Archie Bunker wouldn’t have whined about playoff wins being added to regular season wins.

  47. @Gamecock
    I'm surprised the Braves get the first two games at home, 4 of the 7*. Anyone know how they pulled that off?

    Will Gavin Newsom allow the Dodgers to travel to Atlanta?


    *If needed (starting to see the asterick on everything)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Braves won their regional division, while the Dodgers did not, so the Braves get (the slight) home field advantage. Lots of people are saying the post-season seedings (e.g., the scary Wild Card Game) should be on overall wins rather than winning your division, but … then the Dodgers would have coasted thru September knowing they at least had #2 seed locked up and wouldn’t have to risk their year in a one-game first round. Instead the advantages of winning your division are large enough that the Dodgers and Giants played a great September stretch drive all the way through the 162nd game.

    • Thanks: Gamecock
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Steve Sailer

    I think that once the Dodgers got past the Cardinals, I think they should have been forced to play the Brewers in the NLDS. If the Giants were the better team over 162, they shouldn't have had to play a best-of-5 with that very team.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Steve Sailer

    At least home-field advantage for the World Series is still based on regular-season record, as it should be in all rounds of the playoffs.

    , @Gamecock
    @Steve Sailer


    so the Braves get (the slight) home field advantage
     
    Slight?
  48. Game 3 of the 4 game Chisox/Astros ALDS was about 4 hrs., 7:07 pm to about 11. It was the only game the Sox won, 12-6 I believe. It was very slow for about the first 3 innings. I left at the 7th inning stretch, and listened to the game on the radio in the car going home. It ended right after I got home.

  49. @Steve Sailer
    @Gamecock

    The Braves won their regional division, while the Dodgers did not, so the Braves get (the slight) home field advantage. Lots of people are saying the post-season seedings (e.g., the scary Wild Card Game) should be on overall wins rather than winning your division, but ... then the Dodgers would have coasted thru September knowing they at least had #2 seed locked up and wouldn't have to risk their year in a one-game first round. Instead the advantages of winning your division are large enough that the Dodgers and Giants played a great September stretch drive all the way through the 162nd game.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @RadicalCenter, @Gamecock

    I think that once the Dodgers got past the Cardinals, I think they should have been forced to play the Brewers in the NLDS. If the Giants were the better team over 162, they shouldn’t have had to play a best-of-5 with that very team.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @ScarletNumber

    The playoffs were unfair to the Giants in pitting them against the Dodgers in the quarterfinals rather than the semifinals.

    On the other hand, the extremely hard row the Dodgers have had to hoe wasn't unfair to them because, unlike the Giants, they didn't win their division. It made for one of the best 6 weeks of competition in baseball history, between two outstanding teams, comparable to the Yankees-Red Sox in 1978 and 1949, the Giants-Dodgers in 1951 and 1962, the Braves-Giants in 1993, the Dodgers-Cardinals in the 1940s, and multiple teams in both leagues in 1908.

    http://www.espn.com/page2/s/list/pennantraces.html

  50. The general consensus is that the final strike of the game was not actually a swing. However, once the batter starts his motion, he is always at risk at getting punched out, since “swing” is a vaguely defined term in the rule book.

    Also, it was an 0-2 pitch, not a 3-2 pitch.

    • Replies: @Gamecock
    @ScarletNumber

    Youtube has it (3:45):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBQT-OSKUT4

    Agreed, SN, that final strike was not a swing. Umps got it wrong.

    Defund the umps.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @ScarletNumber

    The odds that Wilmer Flores, who came in 0-17 lifetime vs. future Hall of Famer Max Scherzer, would have rallied from a 1-2 count to lead the Giants to victory is small. Managing to not quite go around on the last pitch was his greatest accomplishment in the three pitches he saw from Scherzer.

    On the other hand, the Giants had a helluva season and their fans deserve to have an argument for why they didn't deserve to lose.

  51. @ScarletNumber
    The general consensus is that the final strike of the game was not actually a swing. However, once the batter starts his motion, he is always at risk at getting punched out, since "swing" is a vaguely defined term in the rule book.

    Also, it was an 0-2 pitch, not a 3-2 pitch.

    Replies: @Gamecock, @Steve Sailer

    Youtube has it (3:45):

    Agreed, SN, that final strike was not a swing. Umps got it wrong.

    Defund the umps.

  52. @ScarletNumber
    The general consensus is that the final strike of the game was not actually a swing. However, once the batter starts his motion, he is always at risk at getting punched out, since "swing" is a vaguely defined term in the rule book.

    Also, it was an 0-2 pitch, not a 3-2 pitch.

    Replies: @Gamecock, @Steve Sailer

    The odds that Wilmer Flores, who came in 0-17 lifetime vs. future Hall of Famer Max Scherzer, would have rallied from a 1-2 count to lead the Giants to victory is small. Managing to not quite go around on the last pitch was his greatest accomplishment in the three pitches he saw from Scherzer.

    On the other hand, the Giants had a helluva season and their fans deserve to have an argument for why they didn’t deserve to lose.

  53. @ScarletNumber
    @Steve Sailer

    I think that once the Dodgers got past the Cardinals, I think they should have been forced to play the Brewers in the NLDS. If the Giants were the better team over 162, they shouldn't have had to play a best-of-5 with that very team.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The playoffs were unfair to the Giants in pitting them against the Dodgers in the quarterfinals rather than the semifinals.

    On the other hand, the extremely hard row the Dodgers have had to hoe wasn’t unfair to them because, unlike the Giants, they didn’t win their division. It made for one of the best 6 weeks of competition in baseball history, between two outstanding teams, comparable to the Yankees-Red Sox in 1978 and 1949, the Giants-Dodgers in 1951 and 1962, the Braves-Giants in 1993, the Dodgers-Cardinals in the 1940s, and multiple teams in both leagues in 1908.

    http://www.espn.com/page2/s/list/pennantraces.html

  54. @Steve Sailer
    @Robert Palmer

    Did Logan Webb get the series MVP award in a losing cause? He deserved it.

    Replies: @PassingBy, @Robert Palmer, @Steve Sailer

    How many times has a losing player in a postseason series won the MVP award?

    Jerry West won the first NBA Finals MVP in 1970 against the New York Knicks, the year he sank the 63 foot buzzer beater. But not too many since then.

    LeBron was pretty awesome a few years ago in the initial defeats before getting hurt and being bearied by Durant’s Warriors.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Steve Sailer

    Chuck Howley in Super Bowl 5
    Albert King in 1980 ACC championship (I was crying)

  55. @Pincher Martin
    @Robert Palmer

    Tremendous game. Logan Webb pitched an amazing seven innings. Mookie Betts was the only Dodger who had his number tonight. But the Giants' strategy of swinging for homers failed to deliver more than one run tonight.

    Great game; great series.

    Replies: @Robert Palmer, @Steve Sailer

    It was fun that the Dodgers won the Big Game without hitting a homer. Bellinger’s 9th inning game-winning single by choking up on the bat like Eddie Collins in 1911 (and still hitting it 101 mph) was more gorgeous than almost any homer.

    https://www.mlb.com/dodgers/video/cody-bellinger-s-go-ahead-single

    • Agree: Pincher Martin
  56. @EdwardM
    And so it begins. The Dodgers are on their third pitcher and the Giants already pinch-hit once (not for the pitcher). This is a 0-0 game through three.

    None of these particular moves slowed the game down, but the new micro-managing baseball is tiresome. (Ironically, I am a traditionalist so I opposed the new rule limiting pitching changes.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The big game went reasonably fast in part because there weren’t many pitching changes in the middle of an inning. The Dodgers used 6 pitchers, but none of them were brought in during the middle of an inning.

    They used to use a golf cart to hurry in the relief pitchers, but that was phased out many decades ago.

  57. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Traditionally and historically, once the regular 162 game season ends, you don't continue to count W's and L's. That's why its called the POSTseason. For those who know better, that's just feeding into childish ridiculousness. To be consistent, that means that all stats would have to be counted. So if someone has say, 53 HRs during the 162 game season, and hits an additional 20 HR's during the near month long postseason, then he just tied Bonds 2001 73 HRs (hit during the regular season, not during the postseason). If someone had 290 SOs, and posts 30 SOs during the postseason, then he has 320 SOs for the 2021 "full" season. Or if someone had hit safely in 44 consecutive games during the season, and then hits safely in an additional 24 postseason games, then "obviously" Joe DiMaggio's MLB record of 56 consecutive games falls by the wayside, and all hail the new "record". Seriously?

    Is this really what Sabernetics has wrought? Extending season stats and records with postseasons or PEDS, it amounts to the same thing: cheating.

    LA & SF did NOT win 110 games in 2021. They won 106 games, and that's it.

    Come on, Steve. Dodger Blue never has to stoop to such nonsense.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @Steve Sailer

    If somebody hit 20 homers in, say, a 22 game postseason, that would be the greatest event in baseball history.

    The record for one post-season was set during the 4-round 2020 postseason by Randy Arozarena (2020 Rays): 10, with Corey Seager tied for second with 8 last year.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Steve Sailer

    https://twitter.com/MLBStats/status/1449487231731785740

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  58. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Neil Templeton

    "As average attention span falls, baseball doubles down on the long game."

    It's great. It's a spit in the eye at the social media-insectoid culture to which you most certainly belong. I hope the game lasts eleven hours. The game will be especially exciting for me because Steve and I have made a bet: If the Giants lose I'll stand at the corner of Laurel Canyon and Ventura. Stark naked. If the Dodgers lose I'll parade around Steve's neighborhood in the nude. Either way I win.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @RadicalCenter, @Steve Sailer

    “If the Giants lose I’ll stand at the corner of Laurel Canyon and Ventura. Stark naked.”

    Eh, no need.

  59. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    If somebody hit 20 homers in, say, a 22 game postseason, that would be the greatest event in baseball history.

    The record for one post-season was set during the 4-round 2020 postseason by Randy Arozarena (2020 Rays): 10, with Corey Seager tied for second with 8 last year.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://www.mlb.com/news/kyle-schwarber-hits-grand-slam-alcs-game-3

    https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/1450273212248567817
    https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/1450293510511472646
    https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/1450299983291461633

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  60. @Steve Sailer
    @Steve Sailer

    How many times has a losing player in a postseason series won the MVP award?

    Jerry West won the first NBA Finals MVP in 1970 against the New York Knicks, the year he sank the 63 foot buzzer beater. But not too many since then.

    LeBron was pretty awesome a few years ago in the initial defeats before getting hurt and being bearied by Durant's Warriors.

    Replies: @Danindc

    Chuck Howley in Super Bowl 5
    Albert King in 1980 ACC championship (I was crying)

  61. @Steve Sailer
    @Gamecock

    The Braves won their regional division, while the Dodgers did not, so the Braves get (the slight) home field advantage. Lots of people are saying the post-season seedings (e.g., the scary Wild Card Game) should be on overall wins rather than winning your division, but ... then the Dodgers would have coasted thru September knowing they at least had #2 seed locked up and wouldn't have to risk their year in a one-game first round. Instead the advantages of winning your division are large enough that the Dodgers and Giants played a great September stretch drive all the way through the 162nd game.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @RadicalCenter, @Gamecock

    At least home-field advantage for the World Series is still based on regular-season record, as it should be in all rounds of the playoffs.

  62. @Steve Sailer
    @Gamecock

    The Braves won their regional division, while the Dodgers did not, so the Braves get (the slight) home field advantage. Lots of people are saying the post-season seedings (e.g., the scary Wild Card Game) should be on overall wins rather than winning your division, but ... then the Dodgers would have coasted thru September knowing they at least had #2 seed locked up and wouldn't have to risk their year in a one-game first round. Instead the advantages of winning your division are large enough that the Dodgers and Giants played a great September stretch drive all the way through the 162nd game.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @RadicalCenter, @Gamecock

    so the Braves get (the slight) home field advantage

    Slight?

  63. @MEH 0910
    @Steve Sailer

    https://twitter.com/MLBStats/status/1449487231731785740

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    https://www.mlb.com/news/kyle-schwarber-hits-grand-slam-alcs-game-3

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/1450309143408041986

  64. @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://www.mlb.com/news/kyle-schwarber-hits-grand-slam-alcs-game-3

    https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/1450273212248567817
    https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/1450293510511472646
    https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/1450299983291461633

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  65. • Thanks: Gamecock
  66. A good day to be a Braves fan.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Gamecock

    The Braves deserved to win.

  67. @Gamecock
    A good day to be a Braves fan.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The Braves deserved to win.

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