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The basic logic of Wokeness:

– Whites own more nice things (such as real estate, stocks and bonds, credentials, credit-ratings, lack of criminal records, and so forth) than do blacks;
– And that can’t possibly be any fault of blacks;
– So, therefore, whites stole their wealth from blacks;
– And therefore whites must give it back to blacks.

 
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  1. “Antiracism” is merely “first among equals” as a tenet of “Wokeness.”

  2. real estate, stocks and bonds, credentials, credit-ratings, lack of criminal records

    How could you forget good hair, cracka?!

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    In a just word 4 white chads would be carrying her up that mountain side. She be tyerd!

    , @Deckin
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Now we just need a name for this:

    Sassyphus?

    Replies: @Cortes, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  3. Yeah. And every nonwhite group that has even more nice things on average than whites managed to get their nice things in spite of the white supremacist structures they were working within. They’ve got a moronic answer for everything. The biggest problem is that it’s dangerous. Some Blacks! see the scam for what it is and simply want to capitalize. But some of the dumbest and most violent Blacks! are increasingly convinced that the white man is responsible for every ill in their horribly mismanaged lives. Was the incessant evil of the white man running through the Waukasha rapper’s head when he saw that parade? Was it motivating the Youth who stabbed the Italian student and other whites in New York? The black robbery gangs who are beating North Side white women in broad daylight for little monetary gain? Etc. Etc.?

    Your average white sees it all as a rigged game that they can’t win. So they keep their mouths shut and plan ways to withdraw from all things Black! That’s not a viable longterm plan. It’s what they call avoidance strategy, isn’t it? People need to embrace the cliche–they need to think of their children’s future.

  4. How anti-racism leads to anti-white racism:

    The most important issue to the left is racial inequality. The most important question to them is therefore: “What is the cause of racial inequality?”

    They reject the possibility of genetic or cultural differences leading to minorities doing worse.

    The only remaining alternative is to scapegoat white people. For every issue, for every way minorities do worse, the problem is always white people.

    When you scapegoat a group of people over and over, that psychologically conditions hatred of that group. And of course, it will tend to attract people who are already hateful and looking for a way to legitimize their feelings about white people.

    This scapegoating of a class of people was also found in communism, where capitalists were the scapegoat.

    Egalitarian ideologies are inherently prone to scapegoating.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Drake

    Drake wrote:


    How anti-racism leads to anti-white racism
     
    Well, once upon a time (I can still remember!), "anti-racism" meant we judge people as individuals.

    I have mentioned many times that I have met Tom Sowell, who is a great guy. He'd still be a great guy if he were White or Asian.

    And the linguist and political pundit John McWhorter truly is brilliant. He would be brilliant whatever his race.

    I'm not taking away from your broader points, which are spot on.

    But we should not accept that today's self-proclaimed "anti-racists" are what they claim to be.

    No, in fact, they are evil, virulent racists, as bad or worse than Bull Connor.

    And they are trying to destroy this country, usually so they can gain some small benefit for themselves.

    Drake also wrote:

    This scapegoating of a class of people was also found in communism, where capitalists were the scapegoat.

    Egalitarian ideologies are inherently prone to scapegoating.
     
    Indeed. The Left is inherently evil. There are some people who identify with the Left (e.g., Glenn Greenwald) who are decent human beings.

    But the Left always ends up spitting out such people.

    That is, if they do not actually kill them.

    Replies: @Rich, @obwandiyag, @Rosie, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @animalogic
    @Drake

    Agree with most of your comment. However find this point questionable --
    "Egalitarian ideologies are inherently prone to scapegoating."
    I suspect most ideologies, when believed in fervently, intensely will tend to look for scapegoats.
    It's almost a natural human response -- "who can I blame? "

  5. Us Good! Them Bad!
    Them Bad Have Power! Not Good! Make World Bad!
    To Make World Good! Them Give Us Power
    Or Else!

    That’s pretty much the rationale of all revolutionaries.

    This explains why the one thing you can count on to follow their victory is multigenerational cultural impoverishment, which undermines their power.

  6. Wokeness=Corporate Power….Noam Chomsky wrote about this in two paragraphs in a book he wrote years ago….

    The larger point:‘THE WANT OUR PEOPLE FUCKING DEAD!!!!!

  7. Soon enough, white people will realize they will be accused of racism no matter what they do. Eventually whites finally have nothing left to lose by going full “racists.”

  8. How many years before the emerging Hispanic/Mulatto majority redlines blacks forever? Seeing race everwhere is not good, inevitable perhaps but identifying black interests at the expense of others is a loosing game.

  9. Anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:

    Nah, the basic logic of “wokeness” is way more fundamental than that. It’s merely natural law: the weak get bullied by the strong. Whites are weak and don’t defend themselves, so only retards would refrain from trying to extract as much from the weak white pansies as possible. To say POC are woke is merely to say they are rational and acting as rational actors should act when stumbling on easy prey.

    Whites have nobody to blame but themselves, you raise that big white butt in the air and shake it around of course someone is gonna come around and stuff it.

  10. The Left has claimed for decades that the rich stole everything from the poor.

    Poor being people who don’t have anything.

    Rich are great! They can make great wealth from NOTHING !!!

  11. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    real estate, stocks and bonds, credentials, credit-ratings, lack of criminal records
     
    How could you forget good hair, cracka?!


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFGBEeiWUA8Y3f_.jpg

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Deckin

    In a just word 4 white chads would be carrying her up that mountain side. She be tyerd!

  12. Well, yeah.

    But I wonder how many Blacks actually feel this way?

    Or is this mainly a thing that the White elite has ginned up and some Blacks grifters have learned to use to their own advantage?

    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    Put it this way - very few blacks are against receiving free stuff.

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like "we built America". They really believe this crap. I'm sure that if I had quizzed them further they would have said that they are owed for their labors.

    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn't strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5' tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ftKft9V-F4E/WOPUt_pK0mI/AAAAAAAADr8/JJ1b_iiXWSkSMVyu4xWkmss32KxPMwrmwCLcB/s1600/Historia-de-los-chinos-americanos.jpg

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Father O'Hara, @George, @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave, @mc23, @Abe

    , @Paperback Writer
    @PhysicistDave

    Physicist Dave, you may not have seen my question about Sylvester Gates, the black Ph.D.

    Legit or fraud?

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @PhysicistDave

    , @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    Remember, kids: blaming ordinary people from a different race or state or whatever is what the people really to blame for America's problems Want You To Do. America's elites-economic, media, political, bureaucratic, military-are the problem, end of story. Until they are completely cleansed from public life, things won't change.

    (Is it that simple? No, of course not. But it still stands. When you consider where America was in 1990, the last few decades stand as a track record of unprecedented incompetence and venality in human history on their part. Seriously, how do you screw it up this badly? That's why we can't underestimate how bad things can get. We are dealing with something unprecedented. We really are.)

    That said, to be fair, it's not a "White" elite. It's just an elite, period, along with the grifters in their party train. Most of the black BLM demi-intellectual types moving to affluent neighborhoods with their money fall into the latter category. Overall, the future looks grim for Black America, really. Their demographics are fading along side whites, Hispanics and Asians are largely immune to guilt about slavery or Jim Crow, and they simply don't have the resources to keep political heft in the Democratic Party long term.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @PhysicistDave

    That's a good question, Dave. Steve is looking at this issue from the black point of view. But where does wokeness really spring from? If you believe, as I do, that it's driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:

    ***God created all people in His image, they are all of equal worth in His sight, and all who believe in Him are citizens of His kingdom, taking up diverse roles that are equally important in glorifying Him.

    ***But we don’t believe in God. And we know that we can do a better job of restoring the fallen world than He ever could.

    ***We see diversity -- and inequality -- among the peoples of the world.

    ***We will do what it takes, by whatever means necessary, to force all peoples to be equal in our sight. By so doing, we will create our own utopia that is even more good and just than God’s kingdom.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Veteran Aryan, @S, @S

  13. It’s not even that complicated or specific. Here’s their thought process.

    Observe comparatively poor outcomes for blacks in anything whether it’s education, wealth, incarceration, etc.

    That outcome can only be caused by things that blacks are, or by things that are done to blacks.

    Because we believe in “equality,” we must automatically rule out the fact that the poor outcomes may be caused by something that blacks are (e.g. genetics, culture, etc.).

    Therefore, the only thing left to explain the poor outcomes is something that’s done to blacks. Define this as “racism.”

    Where’s my Macarthur Genius grant?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Batman

    Where’s my Macarthur Genius grant?

    Sorry, Ibram X. Kendi scooped you.

  14. Blacks in the United States enjoy a higher standard of living than blacks anywhere else, thanks to whites in the United States. Better to dispense with the cutesy cutesy and just state the plain truth.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Russ


    Blacks in the United States enjoy a higher standard of living than blacks anywhere else, thanks to whites in the United States. Better to dispense with the cutesy cutesy and just state the plain truth.
     
    Yep. There are 40-50 countries in the world with black majorities. In not a single one of them do blacks do better than they do in white majority countries. In the United States, black life expectancy is ~75 years. In Africa the overall average life expectancy is 64.5 years, and that average includes North Africa where life expectancies are much higher.

    In terms of income, the difference is a full order of magnitude. Per capita income for most of Sub-Saharan Africa is less than $3,000. In the United States, black per capita income is at least ten times higher.

    If the United States didn’t have blacks, and had never had blacks, it would be a lot like the other former British colonies that never had slavery - Canada, Australia or New Zealand. In other words, quite nice. If it were only black it would look like Haiti or Nigeria.

    These people do almost nothing and produce almost nothing, and the. complain that they only have 50-80% of what the rest of us have. Their moment is over. Move to a black majority country or just shut the hell up.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

  15. @Drake
    How anti-racism leads to anti-white racism:

    The most important issue to the left is racial inequality. The most important question to them is therefore: “What is the cause of racial inequality?”

    They reject the possibility of genetic or cultural differences leading to minorities doing worse.

    The only remaining alternative is to scapegoat white people. For every issue, for every way minorities do worse, the problem is always white people.

    When you scapegoat a group of people over and over, that psychologically conditions hatred of that group. And of course, it will tend to attract people who are already hateful and looking for a way to legitimize their feelings about white people.

    This scapegoating of a class of people was also found in communism, where capitalists were the scapegoat.

    Egalitarian ideologies are inherently prone to scapegoating.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @animalogic

    Drake wrote:

    How anti-racism leads to anti-white racism

    Well, once upon a time (I can still remember!), “anti-racism” meant we judge people as individuals.

    I have mentioned many times that I have met Tom Sowell, who is a great guy. He’d still be a great guy if he were White or Asian.

    And the linguist and political pundit John McWhorter truly is brilliant. He would be brilliant whatever his race.

    I’m not taking away from your broader points, which are spot on.

    But we should not accept that today’s self-proclaimed “anti-racists” are what they claim to be.

    No, in fact, they are evil, virulent racists, as bad or worse than Bull Connor.

    And they are trying to destroy this country, usually so they can gain some small benefit for themselves.

    Drake also wrote:

    This scapegoating of a class of people was also found in communism, where capitalists were the scapegoat.

    Egalitarian ideologies are inherently prone to scapegoating.

    Indeed. The Left is inherently evil. There are some people who identify with the Left (e.g., Glenn Greenwald) who are decent human beings.

    But the Left always ends up spitting out such people.

    That is, if they do not actually kill them.

    • Replies: @Rich
    @PhysicistDave

    Ever heard the expression, "The exception proves the rule"? So it goes, maybe, with Sowell and McWhorter (I've never met either and can't speak to their non-public lives). I have, however, lived among, and close by American blacks. I've seen their criminality, laziness and personal habits up close and even without the mountains of evidence available, it's fairly easy to see their obvious low IQs. If not, it wouldn't be necessary to prop them up with almost 60 years of endless affirmative action and welfare programs.

    I also know a few dimwitted Chinamen and poor Jews, too, doesn't mean the stereotypes don't fit.

    , @obwandiyag
    @PhysicistDave

    Yeah, right. Like scapegoating capitalists ain't the best, most Christian, kindest, greatest, most admirable thing you could ever do.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Rosie
    @PhysicistDave


    And they are trying to destroy this country, usually so they can gain some small benefit for themselves.
     
    I mostly agree with you and Drake, except that I don't think "the most important issue to the left is racial equality" as Drake charitably supposes. There is no consistent, abstract principle that animates the Left. The Left is just anti-White. Hence black underachievement relative to Whites is a problem while Asian overachievement is not. The whole point is to keep the anti-White coalition of the Fringes together and moral consistency does not factor into that calculus.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @PhysicistDave

    It's funny how so many scientists, big brains and all, are so childlike in their political and cultural thinking.

    Btw, if Saint Thomas is so brilliant, why does he continue to believe that black underachievement is caused by culture - white culture at that - not partially genetic.

  16. Do you want you want to see someone who for sure would happily send you to a concentration camp?

    Doesn’t she sound like she’s part Jewish?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @fnn

    The black lady sounds reasonable in objecting to the media tracking her to her family's doorstep.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Russ

    , @Jack D
    @fnn


    Doesn’t she sound like she’s part Jewish?
     
    How do part Jews sound? Does speaking grammatically and in complete sentences make her "sound part Jewish"?

    She's white (Irish) on her father's side and her mother's family is from Barbados (a relatively high functioning place for blacks). 0% Jewish. This is a common combination for successful "blacks" in America today - they are black enough to qualify for AA and white enough to actually get thru school. And zero toxic ADOS culture in their homes.
    , @Old Prude
    @fnn

    Quite a caboose on that one. The camo zip up is a touch of class.

    , @Ben tillman
    @fnn

    She is fuckin’ nuts.

  17. @PhysicistDave
    Well, yeah.

    But I wonder how many Blacks actually feel this way?

    Or is this mainly a thing that the White elite has ginned up and some Blacks grifters have learned to use to their own advantage?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @nebulafox, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Put it this way – very few blacks are against receiving free stuff.

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”. They really believe this crap. I’m sure that if I had quizzed them further they would have said that they are owed for their labors.

    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn’t strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5′ tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”.

     

    I don't believe you, Jack. I don't believe you speak with ghetto blacks. No one here does. I have but one black acquaintance, a neighbor, who is a middle of the road Democrat. Like every other middle of the road Democrat, she proudly voted for Bloomberg 3 times. That's it. Other than her, I have to say my roster of black acquaintances is thin.

    I believe that you read the outrageous Twitter feeds of celebrity blacks like JoyAnne Reid and Michael Harriot, and you tell us here that you heard a black ghetto person say that.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman, @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Dr. X, @Don Unf

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Jack D

    I think there were ex slaves on the RR construction crews.
    But the final section of the track that completed the Trans Con RR was laid by Mike Shay, Thomas Daley,George Elliot,Michael Sullivan,Edward Killeen,Pat Joyce,Mike Joyce and Fred McNamara.
    Good China men all! 😊

    Replies: @animalogic

    , @George
    @Jack D

    "railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5′ tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves OR WHITE GUYS?" They didn't have welfare back then so the the newly freed Blacks were doing some other type of paying work.

    Newly freed slave John Henry:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore)

    Replies: @Barnard, @S

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Put it this way – very few blacks are against receiving free stuff.
     
    Or anybody else.

    A Montanan was explaining to an out-of-state reporter the very libertarian, live-and-let-live attitude of his neighbors toward politics. He felt duty-bound to add, "Mind you, they won't turn down a federal subsidy..."

    Replies: @animalogic

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Jack D

    Jack D wrote to me:


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”. They really believe this crap.
     
    Well, I have known lots of Black folks over the years as fellow students, co-workers, neighbors, etc.

    But I admit that all of these folks were, or reasonably aspired to be, middle-class. So perhaps it is not a surprise that they did not have the attitudes you describe.

    An interesting question is why some Blacks remain in the ghetto when anyone who really wants to can at least get a decent working-class job? Are they too stupid? Too lazy? They like life on the streets in the ghetto?

    Maybe just bad luck, for a few of them. Some human beings do just have a string of bad luck.

    Or maybe a significant number of Blacks are being held back by a liberal culture that lies to them and tells them they are meant to fail. That, by the way, seems to be John McWhorter's opinion, and he is pretty angry at what liberals have done to American Blacks.

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jim

    , @mc23
    @Jack D

    My mother used to talk about the Irish who built the railroads and before the railroads the canals. The canals in particular were grueling, deadly work.

    Plantation life was horrible, read Fredrick Douglas's accounts but most of the fruits of black labor really are gone with the wind.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Pericles

    , @Abe
    @Jack D


    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn’t strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5′ tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?
     
    Everything new is old. Just as globalization was already well under way by 1914, so too was the regular economic exploitation of “surplus” Chinese men, who as a rule are hard-working, uncomplaining, reliable, and- I’d throw into the bargain- affable. “Packets” of 50,000 or so coolies ready to ship-out halfway around the world to do back-breaking labor for minimum wages have been a dime a quintodeca-thousand for the last 200 years. Also, they tend to mind their own business and not rape the cuter local megafauna. Indeed the practice was so common it became one of the major issues of the 1906 British general election, when the Tories (in perfect GOPe/Chamber of Commerce-style douchebaggerry) were hammered for their plan to import thousands of Chinese to South Africa to undercut white working men-

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Ten_Years_of_Toryism.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Sam Malone, @Anonymous

  18. @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    Put it this way - very few blacks are against receiving free stuff.

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like "we built America". They really believe this crap. I'm sure that if I had quizzed them further they would have said that they are owed for their labors.

    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn't strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5' tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ftKft9V-F4E/WOPUt_pK0mI/AAAAAAAADr8/JJ1b_iiXWSkSMVyu4xWkmss32KxPMwrmwCLcB/s1600/Historia-de-los-chinos-americanos.jpg

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Father O'Hara, @George, @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave, @mc23, @Abe

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”.

    I don’t believe you, Jack. I don’t believe you speak with ghetto blacks. No one here does. I have but one black acquaintance, a neighbor, who is a middle of the road Democrat. Like every other middle of the road Democrat, she proudly voted for Bloomberg 3 times. That’s it. Other than her, I have to say my roster of black acquaintances is thin.

    I believe that you read the outrageous Twitter feeds of celebrity blacks like JoyAnne Reid and Michael Harriot, and you tell us here that you heard a black ghetto person say that.

    • Agree: Enemy of Earth
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    No, I heard that one at a "community hearing" in a black church in W. Philly that a developer client had to appear at because he was asking for some minor variance on a building he was building in a gentrifying area. A local Negro woman stood up and made this long pointless harranging speech about how Blacks had built the neighborhood (which was a lie - this was once a Jewish neighborhood and the blacks took over the housing stock without ever buiding a thing but letting lots of it fall into ruin.)

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Paperback Writer

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Paperback Writer


    I don’t believe you speak with ghetto blacks. No one here does.
     
    Speak for yourself, as you have no idea. There are times when you don't have to speak, but they'll tell you anyway. There are some ignorant people out there that will listen to and believe whatever the race hustlers them. It doesn't help that many have a big chip on their shoulders. Most never had a Dad to tell them "the world ain't fair" and to "quit whining."

    Steve's logic is pretty good. It misses the effect of the Communist types who don't really care who built what. They just want it. They are "Los Resentidos" in old Cuban terminology, "The Resentful Ones." If they can get up the power to do it, they WILL confiscate your shit. Many of you people still act like this is a game.
    , @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2
    @Paperback Writer

    "No one here does. I have but one black acquaintance, a neighbor, who is a middle of the road Democrat."

    Lol, i grew up in the south and about 1/3rd of my acquaintences, including close friends, are black and at least half (if not more) of them are ghetto blacks. Many of them have even have had relatively successful careers as drug dealers and survived various shootouts, etc. Although being the age that I am, the ghetto of today may be a bit different/worst than the ghetto of yore. And I can't think of any that aren't Democrats. And a few that went off to places like Howard or Hampton (or the Navy) and got radicallized into militant anti-white nonsense.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    , @Dr. X
    @Paperback Writer


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”.

    I don’t believe you, Jack. I don’t believe you speak with ghetto blacks. No one here does.
     
    I taught college classes to black prison inmates and I heard them say it.
    , @Don Unf
    @Paperback Writer

    No, that claim is believable. That sort of thing is fairly common, just as hearing anti-white social justice points being repeated verbatim is normal from blue-haired obesoid harpies -- just like hearing *any* kind of common input being spewed by anyone, I guess. With them it is often tempered with their own religious strangeness, like the 'we wuz kangz', 'we are the real jews', 'we built the pyramids' Nation of Islam stuff, but the whole 'we built America' idiocy has for sure taken root. And why wouldn't it? It feeds into the wacky narcissistic beast that is black consciousness.

  19. @PhysicistDave
    Well, yeah.

    But I wonder how many Blacks actually feel this way?

    Or is this mainly a thing that the White elite has ginned up and some Blacks grifters have learned to use to their own advantage?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @nebulafox, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Physicist Dave, you may not have seen my question about Sylvester Gates, the black Ph.D.

    Legit or fraud?

    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    @Paperback Writer

    Theoretical physicists themselves complain about the lack of progress in their field since the 1970's, when Gates got his Ph.D. Theoretical physics has basically basically into a grift which runs off the fumes from it successes in the early and middle 20th Century.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Bardon Kaldian, @Rob, @PhysicistDave

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback Writer asked me:


    Physicist Dave, you may not have seen my question about Sylvester Gates, the black Ph.D.
     
    Well, you motivated me to check out his papers on the arxiv.

    He has co-authored quite a few papers and is single author on a handful.

    The papers all look legit in terms of titles and abstracts -- heavily tilted towards the speculative subjects of super-symmetry and string theory, but that has dominated the field for quite a while.

    Incidentally, anyone who looks through the papers should not be put off by the word "ectoplasm" in a few of the titles (e.g., this one): this is an allusion to a bit of a physicists' joke about the "body" and "soul" coordinates in super-symmetric theories.

    Bizarrely, he has some papers (e.g., this one) that seem to legitimately connect two of my own interests -- theoretical particle physics and error-correction coding theory.

    So, I am pretty sure he is legit.

    He seems to have graduated from MIT way back when, perhaps long enough ago that affirmative action was not all-controlling.

    Is he super brilliant?

    Well... none of his papers look Nobel-worthy to me. Which is another way of saying maybe he is as bright as me, maybe even a little brighter.

    But not a Hawking or a Feynman.

    And now I have the homework assignment of actually reading his papers that relate to my own interests.

    So thanks for your question.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  20. Herr Doctor Sailer, can you provide a link to recent murder rise? I’ve spent like 5 minutes trying to find it on the interwebs, and it is like both Google and Bing are hiding it from me. And all these big data aggregator sites (like Our World in Data) are cutting it off to like 2018 or earlier… Thanks in advance.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/fbi-murders-up-4901-black-share-of-known-murder-offenders-reaches-record-56-5/

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2

  21. @PhysicistDave
    @Drake

    Drake wrote:


    How anti-racism leads to anti-white racism
     
    Well, once upon a time (I can still remember!), "anti-racism" meant we judge people as individuals.

    I have mentioned many times that I have met Tom Sowell, who is a great guy. He'd still be a great guy if he were White or Asian.

    And the linguist and political pundit John McWhorter truly is brilliant. He would be brilliant whatever his race.

    I'm not taking away from your broader points, which are spot on.

    But we should not accept that today's self-proclaimed "anti-racists" are what they claim to be.

    No, in fact, they are evil, virulent racists, as bad or worse than Bull Connor.

    And they are trying to destroy this country, usually so they can gain some small benefit for themselves.

    Drake also wrote:

    This scapegoating of a class of people was also found in communism, where capitalists were the scapegoat.

    Egalitarian ideologies are inherently prone to scapegoating.
     
    Indeed. The Left is inherently evil. There are some people who identify with the Left (e.g., Glenn Greenwald) who are decent human beings.

    But the Left always ends up spitting out such people.

    That is, if they do not actually kill them.

    Replies: @Rich, @obwandiyag, @Rosie, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Ever heard the expression, “The exception proves the rule”? So it goes, maybe, with Sowell and McWhorter (I’ve never met either and can’t speak to their non-public lives). I have, however, lived among, and close by American blacks. I’ve seen their criminality, laziness and personal habits up close and even without the mountains of evidence available, it’s fairly easy to see their obvious low IQs. If not, it wouldn’t be necessary to prop them up with almost 60 years of endless affirmative action and welfare programs.

    I also know a few dimwitted Chinamen and poor Jews, too, doesn’t mean the stereotypes don’t fit.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  22. Envy is the primary motivation.

  23. @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    Put it this way - very few blacks are against receiving free stuff.

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like "we built America". They really believe this crap. I'm sure that if I had quizzed them further they would have said that they are owed for their labors.

    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn't strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5' tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ftKft9V-F4E/WOPUt_pK0mI/AAAAAAAADr8/JJ1b_iiXWSkSMVyu4xWkmss32KxPMwrmwCLcB/s1600/Historia-de-los-chinos-americanos.jpg

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Father O'Hara, @George, @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave, @mc23, @Abe

    I think there were ex slaves on the RR construction crews.
    But the final section of the track that completed the Trans Con RR was laid by Mike Shay, Thomas Daley,George Elliot,Michael Sullivan,Edward Killeen,Pat Joyce,Mike Joyce and Fred McNamara.
    Good China men all! 😊

    • Replies: @animalogic
    @Father O'Hara

    Fair point. The Irish, & to some extent the British played huge roles in US railroad construction.

  24. From the Harrison Bergeron School of Equality:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10288277/Hundreds-professors-sign-letter-blasting-woke-math-movement-eliminate-advanced-classes.html

    Apparently, in an effort to Close the Gap, California is implementing something called the California Mathematics Framework . The curriculum limits the availability of advanced mathematical courses to middle schoolers and beginning high schoolers, pushes Algebra 1 back to 9th grade and deemphasizes calculus, while applying social justice concepts to math. In other words, white kids and Asians have to be held back so that Blacks and Latinos can stay even with them. ‘They’re changing math to make it math appreciation,’ said Michael Malione, a parent in the Piedmont City Unified School District who also works as a private math tutor.

    The Chinese are sniggering up their sleeves.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    California is implementing something called the California Mathematics Framework
     
    The New New Math!


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Venn_A_intersect_B.svg/440px-Venn_A_intersect_B.svg.png
    , @ScarletNumber
    @Jack D


    pushes Algebra 1 back to 9th grade and deemphasizes calculus, while applying social justice concepts to math
     
    While I don't agree with the social-justice aspects of this, I agree with the overall shift in emphasis. No one will be hurt by waiting until high school to take Algebra I. Most children are not mentally mature enough to truly internalize the concepts, even if they can perform it mechanically.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jack D, @Rob, @Bumpkin

  25. @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    Put it this way - very few blacks are against receiving free stuff.

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like "we built America". They really believe this crap. I'm sure that if I had quizzed them further they would have said that they are owed for their labors.

    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn't strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5' tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ftKft9V-F4E/WOPUt_pK0mI/AAAAAAAADr8/JJ1b_iiXWSkSMVyu4xWkmss32KxPMwrmwCLcB/s1600/Historia-de-los-chinos-americanos.jpg

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Father O'Hara, @George, @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave, @mc23, @Abe

    “railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5′ tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves OR WHITE GUYS?” They didn’t have welfare back then so the the newly freed Blacks were doing some other type of paying work.

    Newly freed slave John Henry:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore)

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @George

    According to Nothing Like It in the World by Stephen Ambrose, the railroads did try to recruit freed slaves to work on them without much success. Due to poor living and work conditions turnover on the job was high with many staying just long enough to earn what they needed to head to the next gold or silver rush. For what it is worth, the book was criticized for accuracy issues.

    , @S
    @George

    Due to 150 years of chattel slavery and its trade, large and powerful segments of the American elites in both the North and South had grown accustomed to importing and utilizing alien labor at their own people's very great expense, and doing anything but anything than pay the prevailing real time local rates for labor to their own.

    Old bad habits die hard, if at all, and despite the mid 19th century protests of the 'nativists' and 'Know Nothings' the same slaving template continued on with wage slavery, ie so called 'cheap labor' acquired via mass immigration, as it does to this very day.

    When it was found that destitute Chinese survivors of the Opium War were prepared to often work at only about a third of the prevailing local California rates for the labor, the choice for their amoral employers was an easy one. Presumably in the case of Blacks, as had been found out in the Carribean after their emancipation, in general simply didn't want to do that type of back breaking work anymore, irregardless of what they might be paid.

    Circa 1860 or so, the Dutchman Cornelius Koopmanschap, along with his Hong Kong based business partner, the half (or possibly wholly) Jewish, Maurice Bosman, provided Chinese wage slaves for the prominent California resident Stanford and his railway projects, as 'labor contractors'. Bosman handled the Asian coolie/wage slave (ie so called 'cheap labor') procurement portion of the business, while Koopmanschap based in California took care of their North American distribution.

    Koopmanschap literally translates as 'business' or 'commerce' in the Dutch language. Speaking of which, wasn't it a Dutch flagged ship that first introduced the 'Angolans' in 1619 to Jamestown on the opposite North American Atlantic coast?

    Interesting how history seems to rhyme at times, if not repeat.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.html

    http://clement-jones.com/ps02/ps02_340.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Alden, @Rob McX

  26. @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    Put it this way - very few blacks are against receiving free stuff.

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like "we built America". They really believe this crap. I'm sure that if I had quizzed them further they would have said that they are owed for their labors.

    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn't strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5' tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ftKft9V-F4E/WOPUt_pK0mI/AAAAAAAADr8/JJ1b_iiXWSkSMVyu4xWkmss32KxPMwrmwCLcB/s1600/Historia-de-los-chinos-americanos.jpg

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Father O'Hara, @George, @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave, @mc23, @Abe

    Put it this way – very few blacks are against receiving free stuff.

    Or anybody else.

    A Montanan was explaining to an out-of-state reporter the very libertarian, live-and-let-live attitude of his neighbors toward politics. He felt duty-bound to add, “Mind you, they won’t turn down a federal subsidy…”

    • Replies: @animalogic
    @Reg Cæsar

    "“Mind you, they won’t turn down a federal subsidy…”"
    There's very few farmers or Ag' businesses that haven't been on the Gov teat....

    Replies: @notsaying

  27. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”.

     

    I don't believe you, Jack. I don't believe you speak with ghetto blacks. No one here does. I have but one black acquaintance, a neighbor, who is a middle of the road Democrat. Like every other middle of the road Democrat, she proudly voted for Bloomberg 3 times. That's it. Other than her, I have to say my roster of black acquaintances is thin.

    I believe that you read the outrageous Twitter feeds of celebrity blacks like JoyAnne Reid and Michael Harriot, and you tell us here that you heard a black ghetto person say that.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman, @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Dr. X, @Don Unf

    No, I heard that one at a “community hearing” in a black church in W. Philly that a developer client had to appear at because he was asking for some minor variance on a building he was building in a gentrifying area. A local Negro woman stood up and made this long pointless harranging speech about how Blacks had built the neighborhood (which was a lie – this was once a Jewish neighborhood and the blacks took over the housing stock without ever buiding a thing but letting lots of it fall into ruin.)

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    Uh, Jack, the neighborhood, like Mattapan and Randolph here in MA, wasn't taken over by blacks. Jews SOLD it to blacks. Such a deal...

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    OK Jack, you heard one "ghetto black" say that, at a hearing. Which is different from this:


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”.

     

    Makes it sound as if you routinely have convos w/ghetto blacks who lecture you on this, out of hand.

    Replies: @Jack D

  28. I don’t know about blacks, but the rich and the middle-man class stole it all from working class Americans, that is an unassailable fact.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @obwandiyag


    I don’t know about blacks
     
    LOL 😆
  29. @Jack D
    From the Harrison Bergeron School of Equality:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10288277/Hundreds-professors-sign-letter-blasting-woke-math-movement-eliminate-advanced-classes.html

    Apparently, in an effort to Close the Gap, California is implementing something called the California Mathematics Framework . The curriculum limits the availability of advanced mathematical courses to middle schoolers and beginning high schoolers, pushes Algebra 1 back to 9th grade and deemphasizes calculus, while applying social justice concepts to math. In other words, white kids and Asians have to be held back so that Blacks and Latinos can stay even with them. 'They're changing math to make it math appreciation,' said Michael Malione, a parent in the Piedmont City Unified School District who also works as a private math tutor.

    The Chinese are sniggering up their sleeves.

    https://i.gifer.com/UmdZ.gif

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @ScarletNumber

    California is implementing something called the California Mathematics Framework

    The New New Math!

  30. @PhysicistDave
    @Drake

    Drake wrote:


    How anti-racism leads to anti-white racism
     
    Well, once upon a time (I can still remember!), "anti-racism" meant we judge people as individuals.

    I have mentioned many times that I have met Tom Sowell, who is a great guy. He'd still be a great guy if he were White or Asian.

    And the linguist and political pundit John McWhorter truly is brilliant. He would be brilliant whatever his race.

    I'm not taking away from your broader points, which are spot on.

    But we should not accept that today's self-proclaimed "anti-racists" are what they claim to be.

    No, in fact, they are evil, virulent racists, as bad or worse than Bull Connor.

    And they are trying to destroy this country, usually so they can gain some small benefit for themselves.

    Drake also wrote:

    This scapegoating of a class of people was also found in communism, where capitalists were the scapegoat.

    Egalitarian ideologies are inherently prone to scapegoating.
     
    Indeed. The Left is inherently evil. There are some people who identify with the Left (e.g., Glenn Greenwald) who are decent human beings.

    But the Left always ends up spitting out such people.

    That is, if they do not actually kill them.

    Replies: @Rich, @obwandiyag, @Rosie, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Yeah, right. Like scapegoating capitalists ain’t the best, most Christian, kindest, greatest, most admirable thing you could ever do.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @obwandiyag

    obwandiyag write to me:


    Yeah, right. Like scapegoating capitalists ain’t the best, most Christian, kindest, greatest, most admirable thing you could ever do.
     
    Well, my friend, I am not a Christian, as I have made clear repeatedly, so perhaps you responded to the wrong person.

    I have read the New Testament all the way through, and my take is that it has nothing to do with capitalism, socialism, or such matter at all. Jesus seems to be concerned, rather, with the "Kingdom of God," which seems, well, a bit different from, say Karl Marx's interests.

    And I see nothing in the New Testament that advocates forcibly taking wealth from the productive members of society, though the NT certainly does advocate voluntary charity towards the poor and does condemn an obsessive love for money for its own sake.

    But if you want to argue Christian theology, I fear you will have to talk to an actual Christian, not to me.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

  31. @PhysicistDave
    Well, yeah.

    But I wonder how many Blacks actually feel this way?

    Or is this mainly a thing that the White elite has ginned up and some Blacks grifters have learned to use to their own advantage?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @nebulafox, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Remember, kids: blaming ordinary people from a different race or state or whatever is what the people really to blame for America’s problems Want You To Do. America’s elites-economic, media, political, bureaucratic, military-are the problem, end of story. Until they are completely cleansed from public life, things won’t change.

    (Is it that simple? No, of course not. But it still stands. When you consider where America was in 1990, the last few decades stand as a track record of unprecedented incompetence and venality in human history on their part. Seriously, how do you screw it up this badly? That’s why we can’t underestimate how bad things can get. We are dealing with something unprecedented. We really are.)

    That said, to be fair, it’s not a “White” elite. It’s just an elite, period, along with the grifters in their party train. Most of the black BLM demi-intellectual types moving to affluent neighborhoods with their money fall into the latter category. Overall, the future looks grim for Black America, really. Their demographics are fading along side whites, Hispanics and Asians are largely immune to guilt about slavery or Jim Crow, and they simply don’t have the resources to keep political heft in the Democratic Party long term.

    • Agree: animalogic
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @nebulafox

    This is one of the reasons why the push for reparations, permanent enshrinement of blacks in a Leading Role in the Democrat Party, etc. is on right now. The black elites sense that this is their best chance and it all goes downhill for them from here.

  32. @PhysicistDave
    Well, yeah.

    But I wonder how many Blacks actually feel this way?

    Or is this mainly a thing that the White elite has ginned up and some Blacks grifters have learned to use to their own advantage?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Paperback Writer, @nebulafox, @The Last Real Calvinist

    That’s a good question, Dave. Steve is looking at this issue from the black point of view. But where does wokeness really spring from? If you believe, as I do, that it’s driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:

    ***God created all people in His image, they are all of equal worth in His sight, and all who believe in Him are citizens of His kingdom, taking up diverse roles that are equally important in glorifying Him.

    ***But we don’t believe in God. And we know that we can do a better job of restoring the fallen world than He ever could.

    ***We see diversity — and inequality — among the peoples of the world.

    ***We will do what it takes, by whatever means necessary, to force all peoples to be equal in our sight. By so doing, we will create our own utopia that is even more good and just than God’s kingdom.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Last Real Calvinist wrote to me:


    If you believe, as I do, that it’s driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:
    ....
    ***But we don’t believe in God. And we know that we can do a better job of restoring the fallen world than He ever could.
     
    Well... I don't believe in God, I am pretty sure I am smarter than most people, and I have some rather clear ideas as to how my fellow citizens can have better lives -- stay away from alcohol and pot, for example.

    And yet somehow I have just never had the inclination to force my fellow citizens to live their lives my way by using the power of the state. Much less am I inclined to loot and burn (big celebratory Christmas trees seem to be the latest arson target, for some reason!).

    There is something wrong with these people beyond theological incorrectness. For some reason, they are not content to simply live their own lives but are intent on trying to live (or destroy) others' lives.

    My own current pet theory is that they suffer from a deep anxiety due to their own inability to deal with physical reality.

    The Woke Left at all levels, from the intellectuals down to the street thugs, are overwhelmingly composed of people who cannot rebuild a car engine, design an integrated circuit, engage in high-rise construction, or do anything that involves successfully dealing with external physical reality beyond what a random sixteen-year-old can do (i.e., the Woke Left can indeed fill their gas tank and open a bottle of wine but not much else).

    No one can do everything, but the people in the Woke Left seem incapable of doing anything productive at all.

    Unless we were to count the fact that many of them are pretty good at manipulating words in order to control their fellow human beings.

    They are failures at dealing with reality, buffoons who only survive because they manipulate decent people into taking them seriously.

    Rather than spitting at them.

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Bumpkin, @advancedatheist, @advancedatheist

    , @Veteran Aryan
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    ***We will do what it takes, by whatever means necessary, to force all peoples to be equal in our sight. By so doing, we will create our own utopia that is even more good and just than God’s kingdom.
     
    And, in the process, become God. Which is just a fitting recognition of how morally superior they believe themselves to be.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @S
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    But where does wokeness really spring from? If you believe, as I do, that it’s driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:

    ***God created all people in His image, they are all of equal worth in His sight, and all who believe in Him are citizens of His kingdom, taking up diverse roles that are equally important in glorifying Him.
     

    That's almost exactly verbatim what John Campbell concluded* in his 1851 book Negromania.

    Negromania (1851) - pg 10

    'The idea that the negro race ever civilized Egypt, is now exploded [ie demolished] among learned men, but we have among us persons who spurn at history, who laugh at nature, who sneer at reason, and who say that "the negro is one of God's creatures, and is therefore equal to the white."'
     

    * What had prompted Campbell to write the mid-19th century book was the claim being made at the time by some Blacks and allied White so called 'progressives' that sub-Saharan Blacks were the original ancient Egyptians, and thus responsible for the world's arts and sciences. Alas, the 'We wuz Kangs!' thing goes back a long ways.

    https://archive.org/details/negromaniabeinge00camp/page/10/mode/2up

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @S
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    it’s [progressive wokedom] driven by post-Christian white people
     
    As you say and seem to infer, not retaining much if any belief in God, but still retaining remnants of a New England puritanical fanaticism and zeal, along with a desire (if not yet having the ability) to hang those seen to not be conforming by the neck, until they are dead, dead, dead.
  33. It’s not logic at all. It is, at this point, embracing what is called “the biological imperative.” Back in the 60s, Joan Baez was insightful, and nailed it. She popularized a poster that was captioned “Girls say Yes to boys who say No.” The “biological imperative” theory basically says that humans are wired to recognize which path maximizes territoriality, group formation, competition, and reproductive prospects. Thus, a journalist who advocates giving stuff to blacks is not logic-driven very much; rather, it is the territoriality and group-formation drive of biology that wins-out in her case.

  34. If whites aren’t allowed to posit group differences in intelligence or morality (i.e., I.Q. and crime) as counter-arguments against “systemic racism,” (which is the Invisible Hand or the phlogiston of the woke world), we’re hamstrung at stopping this craziness reasonably. But who can say it, without suffering the hysterical mob coming after them?
    So be it: white ethnocentrism will inevitably re-assert itself. With every self-righteous woke statement, every double standard, every overblown charge of racism, the inevitable backlash builds.

    • Agree: rebel yell
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @ytcarl

    'If whites aren’t allowed to posit group differences in intelligence or morality (i.e., I.Q. and crime) as counter-arguments against “systemic racism,” (which is the Invisible Hand or the phlogiston of the woke world), we’re hamstrung at stopping this craziness reasonably. But who can say it, without suffering the hysterical mob coming after them?
    So be it: white ethnocentrism will inevitably re-assert itself. With every self-righteous woke statement, every double standard, every overblown charge of racism, the inevitable backlash builds.'


    So one hopes.

  35. @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    Put it this way - very few blacks are against receiving free stuff.

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like "we built America". They really believe this crap. I'm sure that if I had quizzed them further they would have said that they are owed for their labors.

    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn't strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5' tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ftKft9V-F4E/WOPUt_pK0mI/AAAAAAAADr8/JJ1b_iiXWSkSMVyu4xWkmss32KxPMwrmwCLcB/s1600/Historia-de-los-chinos-americanos.jpg

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Father O'Hara, @George, @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave, @mc23, @Abe

    Jack D wrote to me:

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”. They really believe this crap.

    Well, I have known lots of Black folks over the years as fellow students, co-workers, neighbors, etc.

    But I admit that all of these folks were, or reasonably aspired to be, middle-class. So perhaps it is not a surprise that they did not have the attitudes you describe.

    An interesting question is why some Blacks remain in the ghetto when anyone who really wants to can at least get a decent working-class job? Are they too stupid? Too lazy? They like life on the streets in the ghetto?

    Maybe just bad luck, for a few of them. Some human beings do just have a string of bad luck.

    Or maybe a significant number of Blacks are being held back by a liberal culture that lies to them and tells them they are meant to fail. That, by the way, seems to be John McWhorter’s opinion, and he is pretty angry at what liberals have done to American Blacks.

    • Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2
    @PhysicistDave

    "An interesting question is why some Blacks remain in the ghetto when anyone who really wants to can at least get a decent working-class job? Are they too stupid? Too lazy? They like life on the streets in the ghetto?"

    In my extensive experience with the homeless, I came to the conclusion that they are roughly divided into two camps: 1) those with horrible mental or drug problems, who should be institutionalized, and 2) those who were perfectly happy to be on the street, rather than work and have a home. No one who is sane/drug-free, and tries to get off the street, doesn't get off the street. I wouldn't be surprised if the ghetto (or hillbilly or whatever) experience is similar, although the "community" effect of tending to bind a person to their lot in life is probably a bit different.

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @PhysicistDave

    An interesting question is why some Blacks remain in the ghetto when anyone who really wants to can at least get a decent working-class job?

    Genetics.

    , @Jim
    @PhysicistDave

    Ghetto blacks average about 75 in IQ vs. the US black average of 85. The more intelligent blacks mostly escape the ghetto.

    According to Linda Gottfredson anyone with an IQ below 75 has almost no chance of permanent employment in the US economy.

    Modern societies have a big problem with a growing percentage of the population unable to make any significant contribution to economic production.

    This problem will get steadily worst.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

  36. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”.

     

    I don't believe you, Jack. I don't believe you speak with ghetto blacks. No one here does. I have but one black acquaintance, a neighbor, who is a middle of the road Democrat. Like every other middle of the road Democrat, she proudly voted for Bloomberg 3 times. That's it. Other than her, I have to say my roster of black acquaintances is thin.

    I believe that you read the outrageous Twitter feeds of celebrity blacks like JoyAnne Reid and Michael Harriot, and you tell us here that you heard a black ghetto person say that.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman, @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Dr. X, @Don Unf

    I don’t believe you speak with ghetto blacks. No one here does.

    Speak for yourself, as you have no idea. There are times when you don’t have to speak, but they’ll tell you anyway. There are some ignorant people out there that will listen to and believe whatever the race hustlers them. It doesn’t help that many have a big chip on their shoulders. Most never had a Dad to tell them “the world ain’t fair” and to “quit whining.”

    Steve’s logic is pretty good. It misses the effect of the Communist types who don’t really care who built what. They just want it. They are “Los Resentidos” in old Cuban terminology, “The Resentful Ones.” If they can get up the power to do it, they WILL confiscate your shit. Many of you people still act like this is a game.

  37. @Jack D
    From the Harrison Bergeron School of Equality:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10288277/Hundreds-professors-sign-letter-blasting-woke-math-movement-eliminate-advanced-classes.html

    Apparently, in an effort to Close the Gap, California is implementing something called the California Mathematics Framework . The curriculum limits the availability of advanced mathematical courses to middle schoolers and beginning high schoolers, pushes Algebra 1 back to 9th grade and deemphasizes calculus, while applying social justice concepts to math. In other words, white kids and Asians have to be held back so that Blacks and Latinos can stay even with them. 'They're changing math to make it math appreciation,' said Michael Malione, a parent in the Piedmont City Unified School District who also works as a private math tutor.

    The Chinese are sniggering up their sleeves.

    https://i.gifer.com/UmdZ.gif

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @ScarletNumber

    pushes Algebra 1 back to 9th grade and deemphasizes calculus, while applying social justice concepts to math

    While I don’t agree with the social-justice aspects of this, I agree with the overall shift in emphasis. No one will be hurt by waiting until high school to take Algebra I. Most children are not mentally mature enough to truly internalize the concepts, even if they can perform it mechanically.

    • Troll: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @ScarletNumber

    Nonsense!

    What you need to do is make it available earlier for those with a talent for math. My wife was doing algebra in 6th grade. I have seen her textbooks. She saved them. The depth is impressive. They were also introducing elements of Euclidean geometry, instead of stupidly separating parts of math by year the way we do here.

    The earliest Algebra I was offered in my school was 8th grade. When I got to it, I found out it was easy, got an A on every test. I could have done it as early as my wife did in her country, but it was not available.

    The math curriculum in the US has been dumb for generations. What you need to do is track students according to their perfomance, their ability. Don't hold the talented ones back, or you will blunt the talent of your country.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @nebulafox

    , @Jack D
    @ScarletNumber

    Read the professors' open letter. Introductory STEM courses nowadays assume that you know calculus. If you have to spend freshman year learning calculus you are not going to finish college in 4 years.

    This curriculum doesn't fix anything - it just kicks the can down the road for the colleges to clean up the mess. Most blacks are NEVER going to learn calculus - too abstract for their brains. So instead of flunking out of 12th grade calculus in HS they'll flunk out of freshman calculus in college.

    Of course people will be hurt. Every student should be allowed to work at his own pace and not have to wait for the slowest learner in the room to catch up with him or her. Both of my kids received advanced math at an early age because they were ready for it. When my daughter was in 5th grade they would bus her over to the middle school for her math class. She greatly benefitted from this. If she had to stick to 5th grade math (especially Califorinacted 5th grade math that is really 4th grade math) she would have grown bored and lost interest in math.

    , @Rob
    @ScarletNumber

    That is true. But some kids are really good at math. They understand the concepts, not just the symbol manipulation (which is important, too). They should be able to learn math at a non-torturous pace. Is it still a thing in schools to “peer-assisted learning”? This was when they did not let smart kids have a smart kids class. They paired smart kids up with dumb ones. That way, the dumb kid can not get it when another kid shows him. Just like he couldn’t learn it from the teacher. The policy was a sure-fire failure. It pisses off the dumb kid, who is often one of the bullies, that other students understand things he doesn’t. In multiracial classrooms, it shows everyone hbd. The smart Asians and whites peer assist dim blacks and Hispanics.

    In fairness, the Hispanics might not be so dumb, they are just nosotros no hablamos ingles. But, much like blacks can be judged by their history on their continent, Mexicans and Central Americans can be judged by their contributions to civilization. A Spaniard wrote Don Quixote. They are also nosotros no hablamos ciencia o matematicas as peoples. Excepciones exceptuadas, estoy seguro.

    Back to trying to teach dumb kids. I see why teachers wanted it, as it made other people do their work, but from a Do Not Let Kids Know The Racial Secret point of view it was a total failure. What blacks lack in abstract reasoning, they do not lack in social awareness. They know that all the blacks need help every time. The white kids know that, too. From what I've managed to glean from blacks over the years, black mothers do not tell their kids that they are less intelligent than whites. They tell them that whites think they are less intelligent. This makes black kids very sensitive to evidence that the white stereotype is accurate. Try to teach a black kid least common denominator or factoring? He will go on about how he’s better at basketball than you are for a good twenty minutes at lunch.

    The transition from having high social status in school from being athletic to the adult world of having low social status from being dumb is very hard on male blacks. I know “kinesthetic intelligence” is one of the “multiple intelligences” myth, but it really does kids a disservice to make nearly every boy think he’s going to be a pro athlete, or even that bouncing a ball really well will make him smarter. Kids do not really need incentives to play sports. Wait. Maybe they do these days? What with Facebook and TikTok and Covid. Could the black murder rate be partially attributed to lack of exercise?

    , @Bumpkin
    @ScarletNumber

    Ignore them. Right behind the internet tough guys are the internet math jocks, demanding that everybody learn the outdated math curricula or the supposedly math-proficient Asians of the Day- used to be the Japanese, now the Chinese- will totally tase us with their hypersonic weapons, bro! Meanwhile, none of them would know a Hilbert space from a Dilbert cartoon.

    The truth is that essentially all math going back to arithmetic is completely useless for kids to learn now that we have cheap computers everywhere to do that math for us. Rather, the emphasis should be on the abstract concepts, that numbers represent quantities and addition is a way to combine estimates of quantities building up through statistical concepts in high school (fun fact: I took all AP math including calculus in high school decades ago, but learned no statistics till I got to college, just wasn't taught), but with all the actual computation done by software that models the concepts with nice visualizations and demonstrates their utility in real systems.

    Of course, everybody connected to education is a retard and none of this has been done yet, but it is inevitably the way it will go. A few dorks will learn how to build the software itself at some point in their education and become scientific programmers or scientists, but these outdated 20th century curricula obscure more than they elucidate in the 21st century.

    That is not to excuse these California dimbulbs, but it is always interesting how the barbarians can inadvertently get more right than the pedants.

  38. Anon[312] • Disclaimer says:

    On this topic, have you seen the new paper that John Fuerst put out this month? It follows the paper you blogged about several months ago, using the same admixture regression approach to examine associations between racial ancestry and IQ. He splits the large overall sample to explore various non-ancestry explanations for the correlation, but finds that ancestry is what matters.

    These admixture regression scatter plots are very powerful graphics: maybe the most powerful HBD graphics I’ve seen.

    …This paper applies stratified sub-sampling to explore the possibility that potential model mis-specification and/or variable mis-measurement underlies this empirical finding. The estimated coefficient on African ancestry is not significantly changed when the sample is stratified by low socioeconomic status/high socioeconomic status, Hispanic/non-Hispanic, Black-only/Black-White biracial, or Black/White racial group self-identification.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356631519_Robustness_Analysis_of_African_Genetic_Ancestry_in_Admixture_Regression_Models_of_Cognitive_Test_Scores

    Gregory Connor summarizes it here: https://twitter.com/gregoryconnor11/status/1465680263573352455

    • Agree: Peter Johnson
    • Replies: @Peter Johnson
    @Anon

    That paper definitely deserves a Sailer blog write-up.

    , @res
    @Anon

    Thanks. Everyone be sure to realize those are all partial residual plots, not the raw test scores.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_residual_plot

    I find the paper results for Asian ancestry bizarre. A number of the split sample regressions (Tables 1-6) show very different coefficients for South Asian and East Asian ancestry between the two samples. The Table 3 results look most dramatic in that regard.

    That is probably due to small sample issues, but some of those numbers think make me think there are some outliers which might have an outsize impact (in particular, I am guessing the highest scorers in the 25-50% white range are significantly Asian, see Figure 5 mentioned below).

    The eye color results are similarly, but less dramatically, interesting. Again, see table 3 and notice the eye color coefficients. Looks like there are some smart blue eyed Single-race Blacks in the sample.
    (not sure if it is obvious, but the full sample results in Table 1 apply to the other tables as well. I think it would have been kinder to the reader to include those results in all of the tables)

    Steve's August write-up of the original paper is here.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/genetic-ancestry-and-general-cognitive-ability-in-a-sample-of-american-youths/

    I must have missed that when it came out somehow. The results are interesting and a bit odd IMHO. I'll make a longer comment over there later, but for a start take a look at Figure 5 at the top and notice the lack of whites over 3 SD (contrast with the low tail extending down to -4). Also along those lines, notice the behavior of the spline fit at the ancestry extremes. The uptick at 0% European seems pretty easily explained by highly selected immigrants, but the downtick at 100% European is odd. Where are all of the smart whites in this sample? And why so many at the low extreme?

    Replies: @Jack D

  39. @PhysicistDave
    @Jack D

    Jack D wrote to me:


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”. They really believe this crap.
     
    Well, I have known lots of Black folks over the years as fellow students, co-workers, neighbors, etc.

    But I admit that all of these folks were, or reasonably aspired to be, middle-class. So perhaps it is not a surprise that they did not have the attitudes you describe.

    An interesting question is why some Blacks remain in the ghetto when anyone who really wants to can at least get a decent working-class job? Are they too stupid? Too lazy? They like life on the streets in the ghetto?

    Maybe just bad luck, for a few of them. Some human beings do just have a string of bad luck.

    Or maybe a significant number of Blacks are being held back by a liberal culture that lies to them and tells them they are meant to fail. That, by the way, seems to be John McWhorter's opinion, and he is pretty angry at what liberals have done to American Blacks.

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jim

    “An interesting question is why some Blacks remain in the ghetto when anyone who really wants to can at least get a decent working-class job? Are they too stupid? Too lazy? They like life on the streets in the ghetto?”

    In my extensive experience with the homeless, I came to the conclusion that they are roughly divided into two camps: 1) those with horrible mental or drug problems, who should be institutionalized, and 2) those who were perfectly happy to be on the street, rather than work and have a home. No one who is sane/drug-free, and tries to get off the street, doesn’t get off the street. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ghetto (or hillbilly or whatever) experience is similar, although the “community” effect of tending to bind a person to their lot in life is probably a bit different.

  40. @Paperback Writer
    @PhysicistDave

    Physicist Dave, you may not have seen my question about Sylvester Gates, the black Ph.D.

    Legit or fraud?

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @PhysicistDave

    Theoretical physicists themselves complain about the lack of progress in their field since the 1970’s, when Gates got his Ph.D. Theoretical physics has basically basically into a grift which runs off the fumes from it successes in the early and middle 20th Century.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @advancedatheist

    Science itself started to collapse into a black hole when it became "big science".

    Rupert Sheldrake discusses how regular folks will have to do the heavy lifting to turn this around:

    https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-121-grass-roots-science/

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @advancedatheist

    Fundamental physics, as it is now, is miserable. For at least 30-40 years.

    But mathematics is flourishing. All levels, fields and areas.

    Astounding.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Rob
    @advancedatheist

    I wonder if theoretical physicists could improve their performance if they became a bit less theoretical. Like, how about they focus on doing theory that makes testable predictions with experiments that are cheaper and easier to set up than colliding two black holes at near lightspeed relative to the observer.

    There was a woman in theoretical physics who said that there were some predictions of several theories of quantum gravity that we are within an order of magnitude of setting up large enough masses. She did not give details in the piece I read, but she had a book. If they are within an order of magnitude, then there are probably clever tricks that could get them closer to practical experiments.

    PhysicistDave, do you know what the woman’s name was? I think it started with a J. She wrote a long critique of theoretical physics as practiced, maybe a book, but maybe just an op-ed in a physics journal.

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @PhysicistDave

    , @PhysicistDave
    @advancedatheist

    advancedatheist wrote:


    Theoretical physicists themselves complain about the lack of progress in their field since the 1970’s, when Gates got his Ph.D. Theoretical physics has basically basically into a grift which runs off the fumes from it successes in the early and middle 20th Century.

     

    Well... you are being a bit unfair to us physicists, you know!

    The fundamental problem is that between 1930 and 1975 we created a structure in quantum field theory, the so-called "Standard Model," that works so well that there is no well-confirmed experimental result at all that is inconsistent with that model.

    We are victims of our own success.

    Without some hint from experiments that disagree with the Standard Model... well, it is just not clear how to move forward.

    If you have any concrete suggestions, let me know.

    That being said, if you note my reply above to Rob in which I note the bizarre situation with regard to the "Thomas precession," yeah, something has gone wrong besides just stasis.

    One thing I did not mention to Rob is that if the formula for the Thomas precession accepted in the West (though not in Russia and not by Thomas himself) were correct, then it would be mathematically impossible to have the sort of massless neutrinos that we thought existed back when I got my PhD.

    Nowadays, we now know that neutrinos do have mass. But if massless neutrinos had always been a mathematical impossibility... well, you would think this fact would have been noticed by someone!

    Part of what happened is that experimental discoveries and theoretical advances happened so fast in the quarter century between 1950 and 1975 (I remember the tail end of that time period) that everyone was just frantic to stay on the cutting edge.

    That ethos has been passed on to the younger generations who now dominate academic physics: rather than trying to fully absorb and understand the physics created between 1930 and 1975, they have been imbued with the idea that they must focus on making some brilliant new discovery. With no guidance from new experimental discoveries.

    And so they indeed do come up with lots and lots of new stuff, mostly nonsense.

    So, yes, theoretical fundamental physics today is indeed a dumpster fire. But it is partly a victim of our own past successes, partly a lack of new experimental data that conflicts with the Standard Model, and partly recent generations of physicists being focused on being the next Einstein instead of just trying to understand (and, when necessary, correct) the discoveries of the last century.

    Yes, fundamental physics is in bad shape. But I hope you will accept this comment as a friendly expansion of your own comment.

  41. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”.

     

    I don't believe you, Jack. I don't believe you speak with ghetto blacks. No one here does. I have but one black acquaintance, a neighbor, who is a middle of the road Democrat. Like every other middle of the road Democrat, she proudly voted for Bloomberg 3 times. That's it. Other than her, I have to say my roster of black acquaintances is thin.

    I believe that you read the outrageous Twitter feeds of celebrity blacks like JoyAnne Reid and Michael Harriot, and you tell us here that you heard a black ghetto person say that.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman, @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Dr. X, @Don Unf

    “No one here does. I have but one black acquaintance, a neighbor, who is a middle of the road Democrat.”

    Lol, i grew up in the south and about 1/3rd of my acquaintences, including close friends, are black and at least half (if not more) of them are ghetto blacks. Many of them have even have had relatively successful careers as drug dealers and survived various shootouts, etc. Although being the age that I am, the ghetto of today may be a bit different/worst than the ghetto of yore. And I can’t think of any that aren’t Democrats. And a few that went off to places like Howard or Hampton (or the Navy) and got radicallized into militant anti-white nonsense.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2


    Lol, i grew up in the south and about 1/3rd of my acquaintences, including close friends, are black and at least half (if not more) of them are ghetto blacks.
     
    The South can be really alien to the rest of us on certain points, this being one of them. PW speaks to our condition, not yours.

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2

    , @Paperback Writer
    @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2

    OK. I'm guessing that the majority of commenters here are white people who live in overwhelmingly white areas and speak with few blacks other than perhaps the UPS deliveryman on a daily basis, if that. Not that I'm criticizing. It's the only rational way to live.

    Replies: @Jack D

  42. @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    Remember, kids: blaming ordinary people from a different race or state or whatever is what the people really to blame for America's problems Want You To Do. America's elites-economic, media, political, bureaucratic, military-are the problem, end of story. Until they are completely cleansed from public life, things won't change.

    (Is it that simple? No, of course not. But it still stands. When you consider where America was in 1990, the last few decades stand as a track record of unprecedented incompetence and venality in human history on their part. Seriously, how do you screw it up this badly? That's why we can't underestimate how bad things can get. We are dealing with something unprecedented. We really are.)

    That said, to be fair, it's not a "White" elite. It's just an elite, period, along with the grifters in their party train. Most of the black BLM demi-intellectual types moving to affluent neighborhoods with their money fall into the latter category. Overall, the future looks grim for Black America, really. Their demographics are fading along side whites, Hispanics and Asians are largely immune to guilt about slavery or Jim Crow, and they simply don't have the resources to keep political heft in the Democratic Party long term.

    Replies: @Jack D

    This is one of the reasons why the push for reparations, permanent enshrinement of blacks in a Leading Role in the Democrat Party, etc. is on right now. The black elites sense that this is their best chance and it all goes downhill for them from here.

    • Agree: mc23
  43. An excellent series of essays about the origins, manifestations, and objectives of “wokeism” is at the site “New Discourses”:

    https://newdiscourses.com/?s=woke

  44. @ScarletNumber
    @Jack D


    pushes Algebra 1 back to 9th grade and deemphasizes calculus, while applying social justice concepts to math
     
    While I don't agree with the social-justice aspects of this, I agree with the overall shift in emphasis. No one will be hurt by waiting until high school to take Algebra I. Most children are not mentally mature enough to truly internalize the concepts, even if they can perform it mechanically.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jack D, @Rob, @Bumpkin

    Nonsense!

    What you need to do is make it available earlier for those with a talent for math. My wife was doing algebra in 6th grade. I have seen her textbooks. She saved them. The depth is impressive. They were also introducing elements of Euclidean geometry, instead of stupidly separating parts of math by year the way we do here.

    The earliest Algebra I was offered in my school was 8th grade. When I got to it, I found out it was easy, got an A on every test. I could have done it as early as my wife did in her country, but it was not available.

    The math curriculum in the US has been dumb for generations. What you need to do is track students according to their perfomance, their ability. Don’t hold the talented ones back, or you will blunt the talent of your country.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Blunting this country's talent is the point

    , @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I never even got a real algebra (I or II) course. Had to teach myself, along with a lot of my math education in general. That worked until it didn't, with my below average maturity levels and erratic work habits: at university, I was constantly playing catch-up and spending precious time filling in holes as an undergrad. As my life comes together, I'm hoping to try again over the coming decades.

    I'm a bit of an extreme case, but hardly an outlier in terms of Americans who were "mathematically abused" as children. Is it any wonder that kids who have initial interest and the talent needed lose interest in math if they take four years how to learn basic operations? And this ain't good. There's a happy medium between "Demand your kid be Gauss" and "There's no point to learning math because he's only moderately intelligent."

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  45. @ScarletNumber
    @Jack D


    pushes Algebra 1 back to 9th grade and deemphasizes calculus, while applying social justice concepts to math
     
    While I don't agree with the social-justice aspects of this, I agree with the overall shift in emphasis. No one will be hurt by waiting until high school to take Algebra I. Most children are not mentally mature enough to truly internalize the concepts, even if they can perform it mechanically.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jack D, @Rob, @Bumpkin

    Read the professors’ open letter. Introductory STEM courses nowadays assume that you know calculus. If you have to spend freshman year learning calculus you are not going to finish college in 4 years.

    This curriculum doesn’t fix anything – it just kicks the can down the road for the colleges to clean up the mess. Most blacks are NEVER going to learn calculus – too abstract for their brains. So instead of flunking out of 12th grade calculus in HS they’ll flunk out of freshman calculus in college.

    Of course people will be hurt. Every student should be allowed to work at his own pace and not have to wait for the slowest learner in the room to catch up with him or her. Both of my kids received advanced math at an early age because they were ready for it. When my daughter was in 5th grade they would bus her over to the middle school for her math class. She greatly benefitted from this. If she had to stick to 5th grade math (especially Califorinacted 5th grade math that is really 4th grade math) she would have grown bored and lost interest in math.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  46. @Paperback Writer
    @PhysicistDave

    Physicist Dave, you may not have seen my question about Sylvester Gates, the black Ph.D.

    Legit or fraud?

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @PhysicistDave

    Paperback Writer asked me:

    Physicist Dave, you may not have seen my question about Sylvester Gates, the black Ph.D.

    Well, you motivated me to check out his papers on the arxiv.

    He has co-authored quite a few papers and is single author on a handful.

    The papers all look legit in terms of titles and abstracts — heavily tilted towards the speculative subjects of super-symmetry and string theory, but that has dominated the field for quite a while.

    Incidentally, anyone who looks through the papers should not be put off by the word “ectoplasm” in a few of the titles (e.g., this one): this is an allusion to a bit of a physicists’ joke about the “body” and “soul” coordinates in super-symmetric theories.

    Bizarrely, he has some papers (e.g., this one) that seem to legitimately connect two of my own interests — theoretical particle physics and error-correction coding theory.

    So, I am pretty sure he is legit.

    He seems to have graduated from MIT way back when, perhaps long enough ago that affirmative action was not all-controlling.

    Is he super brilliant?

    Well… none of his papers look Nobel-worthy to me. Which is another way of saying maybe he is as bright as me, maybe even a little brighter.

    But not a Hawking or a Feynman.

    And now I have the homework assignment of actually reading his papers that relate to my own interests.

    So thanks for your question.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @PhysicistDave

    You're quite welcome. I look forward to your thoughts on his work.

    For the record, my question wasn't meant to imply that the guilty white liberals at MIT gave a completely unmerited Ph.D. to him because he was black. Of course, he's smarter than 99% of the rest of us. " Compared to the average, he's brilliant. But compared to other physicists, what do you make of him?

    My earlier comments asked, "Is he a competent journeyman or a genius/magician? I know several physicists, all late middle-aged to elderly Jewish men, who referred to themselves as "journeymen." No one made a big deal of them because obvious. That was the basis of my question.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  47. @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    Put it this way - very few blacks are against receiving free stuff.

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like "we built America". They really believe this crap. I'm sure that if I had quizzed them further they would have said that they are owed for their labors.

    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn't strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5' tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ftKft9V-F4E/WOPUt_pK0mI/AAAAAAAADr8/JJ1b_iiXWSkSMVyu4xWkmss32KxPMwrmwCLcB/s1600/Historia-de-los-chinos-americanos.jpg

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Father O'Hara, @George, @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave, @mc23, @Abe

    My mother used to talk about the Irish who built the railroads and before the railroads the canals. The canals in particular were grueling, deadly work.

    Plantation life was horrible, read Fredrick Douglas’s accounts but most of the fruits of black labor really are gone with the wind.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @mc23

    I now never hear any Irish Americans lamenting about their forefathers who when died were unceremoniously dumped into the canals they were building!

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @Pericles
    @mc23

    Library of Congress has a huge archive of slave interviews/narratives, though it seems to be somewhat concealed nowadays.

    For instance, chosen at random, here is Alabama (442 pages): https://memory.loc.gov/mss/mesn/010/010.pdf

    Replies: @mc23

  48. @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2
    Herr Doctor Sailer, can you provide a link to recent murder rise? I've spent like 5 minutes trying to find it on the interwebs, and it is like both Google and Bing are hiding it from me. And all these big data aggregator sites (like Our World in Data) are cutting it off to like 2018 or earlier... Thanks in advance.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    • Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2
    @Steve Sailer

    muchos gracias

  49. @advancedatheist
    @Paperback Writer

    Theoretical physicists themselves complain about the lack of progress in their field since the 1970's, when Gates got his Ph.D. Theoretical physics has basically basically into a grift which runs off the fumes from it successes in the early and middle 20th Century.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Bardon Kaldian, @Rob, @PhysicistDave

    Science itself started to collapse into a black hole when it became “big science”.

    Rupert Sheldrake discusses how regular folks will have to do the heavy lifting to turn this around:

    https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-121-grass-roots-science/

  50. That is the basic logic of Wokeness – inequality can only be caused by injustice.
    But it’s not what is really important to the Woke. What is important to them are their feelings of moral outrage, moral sanctimony, and moral revenge. These are people with failed lives looking for revenge.
    Add to this that the Woke are at most useful idiots. Cynical men with lots of money are financing and enabling this cult for short term financial gain. They use it to distract the public from their wars, their bail outs, their thefts.
    It is all such a sordid shit show, so beneath the noble principles of republican self-government. For those of us raised to believe in the American project of constitutional government it has been a very different kind of Awakening.

  51. @obwandiyag
    I don't know about blacks, but the rich and the middle-man class stole it all from working class Americans, that is an unassailable fact.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    I don’t know about blacks

    LOL 😆

  52. In case you forgot, the reason there is such a notion as “white supremacy” is that whites are, well, supreme.

    I don’t see any crammed boat loads of Estonians trying desperately to make it to Namibia to hear N’Gozdele M’Batua performing N’Szutule at the Royal Yngwastwe Hall.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk, AceDeuce
  53. @George
    @Jack D

    "railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5′ tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves OR WHITE GUYS?" They didn't have welfare back then so the the newly freed Blacks were doing some other type of paying work.

    Newly freed slave John Henry:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore)

    Replies: @Barnard, @S

    According to Nothing Like It in the World by Stephen Ambrose, the railroads did try to recruit freed slaves to work on them without much success. Due to poor living and work conditions turnover on the job was high with many staying just long enough to earn what they needed to head to the next gold or silver rush. For what it is worth, the book was criticized for accuracy issues.

  54. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”.

     

    I don't believe you, Jack. I don't believe you speak with ghetto blacks. No one here does. I have but one black acquaintance, a neighbor, who is a middle of the road Democrat. Like every other middle of the road Democrat, she proudly voted for Bloomberg 3 times. That's it. Other than her, I have to say my roster of black acquaintances is thin.

    I believe that you read the outrageous Twitter feeds of celebrity blacks like JoyAnne Reid and Michael Harriot, and you tell us here that you heard a black ghetto person say that.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman, @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Dr. X, @Don Unf

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”.

    I don’t believe you, Jack. I don’t believe you speak with ghetto blacks. No one here does.

    I taught college classes to black prison inmates and I heard them say it.

  55. I like the simplicity of your presentation, but I think you should acknowledge the role of leftist wokels, who act as facilitators.

    Whites own more nice things than do blacks [Dem media]
    And that can’t possibly be any fault of blacks [Dem SJW apologists]
    So, therefore, whites stole their wealth from blacks [Dem economists]
    And therefore whites must give it back to blacks [Dem politicians]

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  56. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @PhysicistDave

    That's a good question, Dave. Steve is looking at this issue from the black point of view. But where does wokeness really spring from? If you believe, as I do, that it's driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:

    ***God created all people in His image, they are all of equal worth in His sight, and all who believe in Him are citizens of His kingdom, taking up diverse roles that are equally important in glorifying Him.

    ***But we don’t believe in God. And we know that we can do a better job of restoring the fallen world than He ever could.

    ***We see diversity -- and inequality -- among the peoples of the world.

    ***We will do what it takes, by whatever means necessary, to force all peoples to be equal in our sight. By so doing, we will create our own utopia that is even more good and just than God’s kingdom.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Veteran Aryan, @S, @S

    The Last Real Calvinist wrote to me:

    If you believe, as I do, that it’s driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:
    ….
    ***But we don’t believe in God. And we know that we can do a better job of restoring the fallen world than He ever could.

    Well… I don’t believe in God, I am pretty sure I am smarter than most people, and I have some rather clear ideas as to how my fellow citizens can have better lives — stay away from alcohol and pot, for example.

    And yet somehow I have just never had the inclination to force my fellow citizens to live their lives my way by using the power of the state. Much less am I inclined to loot and burn (big celebratory Christmas trees seem to be the latest arson target, for some reason!).

    There is something wrong with these people beyond theological incorrectness. For some reason, they are not content to simply live their own lives but are intent on trying to live (or destroy) others’ lives.

    My own current pet theory is that they suffer from a deep anxiety due to their own inability to deal with physical reality.

    The Woke Left at all levels, from the intellectuals down to the street thugs, are overwhelmingly composed of people who cannot rebuild a car engine, design an integrated circuit, engage in high-rise construction, or do anything that involves successfully dealing with external physical reality beyond what a random sixteen-year-old can do (i.e., the Woke Left can indeed fill their gas tank and open a bottle of wine but not much else).

    No one can do everything, but the people in the Woke Left seem incapable of doing anything productive at all.

    Unless we were to count the fact that many of them are pretty good at manipulating words in order to control their fellow human beings.

    They are failures at dealing with reality, buffoons who only survive because they manipulate decent people into taking them seriously.

    Rather than spitting at them.

    • Agree: advancedatheist
    • Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2
    @PhysicistDave

    "The Woke Left at all levels, from the intellectuals down to the street thugs"

    Woke be casting a wide ass net here, yo.

    , @Bumpkin
    @PhysicistDave


    Unless we were to count the fact that many of them are pretty good at manipulating words in order to control their fellow human beings.

    They are failures at dealing with reality, buffoons who only survive because they manipulate decent people into taking them seriously.

    Rather than spitting at them.
     
    It's not just the Woke Left, consider Trump's Covid Task force last year:

    during the Task Force meetings the troika refused to debate any scientific research challenging their mask mandates and lockdowns, according to Atlas. “Unlike scientists with whom I had worked for decades,” he writes, “I never saw them voice any critical assessment, methodological or otherwise, of the pitfalls of any published studies.” Atlas says that they never brought scientific papers to the meetings and declined to respond to his presentations about the research.

    “For what I anticipated would be a data-filled discussion about opening schools and the risk to children,” Atlas says, “I brought approximately fifteen different studies and a summary sheet of the research. For what I hoped would be a discussion about testing guidance, I brought and distributed articles and other documents about the role and pitfalls of PCR testing and concerns about cycle thresholds. Even though I handed out a number of these published studies to everyone at the table, no one ever mentioned them in the Situation Room. My guess was that no one in the Fauci-Redfield-Birx troika ever opened them.”

    Instead, the troika of bureaucrats obsessed over Birx’s charts showing how many Covid tests had been administered and what percentage were positive... “Their sole focus was stopping cases, even when their policies were already implemented and were failing to do so.”
     
    If this and even a fraction of the stuff about Fauci in RFK Jr's book is true, he is the paradigmatic example of what you write about, a criminal nincompoop who declares himself "The Science."
    , @advancedatheist
    @PhysicistDave


    I don’t believe in God, I am pretty sure I am smarter than most people, and I have some rather clear ideas as to how my fellow citizens can have better lives — stay away from alcohol and pot, for example.
     
    Same here. You don't need a woo-woo belief about the supernatural to figure out how human flourishing works as an empirical reality in this world. The people who argue for the worldly, observable benefits of religious belief - better health, more pro-social behavior, more stable family lives and so forth - basically agree with the values of the thinkers in the humanist/materialist/atheist tradition, namely, regarding the characteristics of the good life.
    , @advancedatheist
    @PhysicistDave

    The heroes in Ayn Rand's novels, whom she calls the Men of the Mind in Atlas Shrugged, readily know how to operate machines and make and repair things with their hands. Which look like wish fulfillment to me on Rand's part, because according to accounts by her friends, she struggled with competency when she had to make anything with her hands, apart from her ability to type.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  57. @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2
    @Paperback Writer

    "No one here does. I have but one black acquaintance, a neighbor, who is a middle of the road Democrat."

    Lol, i grew up in the south and about 1/3rd of my acquaintences, including close friends, are black and at least half (if not more) of them are ghetto blacks. Many of them have even have had relatively successful careers as drug dealers and survived various shootouts, etc. Although being the age that I am, the ghetto of today may be a bit different/worst than the ghetto of yore. And I can't think of any that aren't Democrats. And a few that went off to places like Howard or Hampton (or the Navy) and got radicallized into militant anti-white nonsense.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    Lol, i grew up in the south and about 1/3rd of my acquaintences, including close friends, are black and at least half (if not more) of them are ghetto blacks.

    The South can be really alien to the rest of us on certain points, this being one of them. PW speaks to our condition, not yours.

    • Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2
    @Reg Cæsar

    I will admit that I've wondered long and hard, with friends and siblings, if we didn't grow in a time and place with more or less perfect race relations. A relatively small college town that had an arguably beneficial liberal effect on the typically southern community. I also wonder whether the local parks and rec dept had some positive effect by bringing us all together, both as young kids and to some extent the parents and whatnot.. The college has since become a leftist hellhole and is promoting any manner of incredibly counter-productive rhetoric. And i understand the highschools have metal detectors and the nephews and sons of friends say that there are basically race riots and the races barely mix on hoops court, etc. But, for a time there ...

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Hhsiii

  58. @PhysicistDave
    @Drake

    Drake wrote:


    How anti-racism leads to anti-white racism
     
    Well, once upon a time (I can still remember!), "anti-racism" meant we judge people as individuals.

    I have mentioned many times that I have met Tom Sowell, who is a great guy. He'd still be a great guy if he were White or Asian.

    And the linguist and political pundit John McWhorter truly is brilliant. He would be brilliant whatever his race.

    I'm not taking away from your broader points, which are spot on.

    But we should not accept that today's self-proclaimed "anti-racists" are what they claim to be.

    No, in fact, they are evil, virulent racists, as bad or worse than Bull Connor.

    And they are trying to destroy this country, usually so they can gain some small benefit for themselves.

    Drake also wrote:

    This scapegoating of a class of people was also found in communism, where capitalists were the scapegoat.

    Egalitarian ideologies are inherently prone to scapegoating.
     
    Indeed. The Left is inherently evil. There are some people who identify with the Left (e.g., Glenn Greenwald) who are decent human beings.

    But the Left always ends up spitting out such people.

    That is, if they do not actually kill them.

    Replies: @Rich, @obwandiyag, @Rosie, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    And they are trying to destroy this country, usually so they can gain some small benefit for themselves.

    I mostly agree with you and Drake, except that I don’t think “the most important issue to the left is racial equality” as Drake charitably supposes. There is no consistent, abstract principle that animates the Left. The Left is just anti-White. Hence black underachievement relative to Whites is a problem while Asian overachievement is not. The whole point is to keep the anti-White coalition of the Fringes together and moral consistency does not factor into that calculus.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Rosie

    Rosie wrote to me


    :I mostly agree with you and Drake, except that I don’t think “the most important issue to the left is racial equality” as Drake charitably supposes. There is no consistent, abstract principle that animates the Left. The Left is just anti-White.
     
    You are too kind to the Left, Rosie. They do hate Asians, too. And the White Antifas and their Black thugs whom they use as pawns burn down neighborhoods that innocent Blacks have to live in. Not to mention the fact that most victims of Black crimes are other Blacks.

    At the very least, the Woke Left despises Black people as much as they hate Whites.

    Rosie also wrote:

    The whole point is to keep the anti-White coalition of the Fringes together and moral consistency does not factor into that calculus.
     
    Well, yeah, and I suppose what you are really getting at is that the anti-White hatred is really just a tool they are using to seize power.

    The Left as a whole suffers from a sickness of the soul (again, with the exception of some dissidents such as Glenn Greenwald). If they were not a danger to the human race, they would deserve our pity.

    Which does remind me of the topic that Tucker has rightly been harping on recently -- the inclination not just of the Left but of the whole US Establishment to provoke a war with Russia over the Eastern Ukraine. I have a solution -- let's have a plebiscite in the Donbass and let the people choose nice and democratically -- Russia or Ukraine. I think I know the outcome of such a vote.

    In any case, a war between Russian and the US is not in the interest of the human species.
  59. @obwandiyag
    @PhysicistDave

    Yeah, right. Like scapegoating capitalists ain't the best, most Christian, kindest, greatest, most admirable thing you could ever do.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    obwandiyag write to me:

    Yeah, right. Like scapegoating capitalists ain’t the best, most Christian, kindest, greatest, most admirable thing you could ever do.

    Well, my friend, I am not a Christian, as I have made clear repeatedly, so perhaps you responded to the wrong person.

    I have read the New Testament all the way through, and my take is that it has nothing to do with capitalism, socialism, or such matter at all. Jesus seems to be concerned, rather, with the “Kingdom of God,” which seems, well, a bit different from, say Karl Marx’s interests.

    And I see nothing in the New Testament that advocates forcibly taking wealth from the productive members of society, though the NT certainly does advocate voluntary charity towards the poor and does condemn an obsessive love for money for its own sake.

    But if you want to argue Christian theology, I fear you will have to talk to an actual Christian, not to me.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @PhysicistDave

    You are a troll liar.

    You have not read the New Testament. Or you would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that 90% of what Jesus said was Robin Hood--take from the rich and give to the poor, feed the poor, the rich will never get to heaven, blessed are the downtrodden, the moneyless, the indigent, and cursed are the rich.

    Not only that, but you seem to be very painfully stupid. You actually think the rich got that way by being "productive." My god, what a cheesehead. Nobody in their right mind believes that.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @PhysicistDave

  60. @PhysicistDave
    @Jack D

    Jack D wrote to me:


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”. They really believe this crap.
     
    Well, I have known lots of Black folks over the years as fellow students, co-workers, neighbors, etc.

    But I admit that all of these folks were, or reasonably aspired to be, middle-class. So perhaps it is not a surprise that they did not have the attitudes you describe.

    An interesting question is why some Blacks remain in the ghetto when anyone who really wants to can at least get a decent working-class job? Are they too stupid? Too lazy? They like life on the streets in the ghetto?

    Maybe just bad luck, for a few of them. Some human beings do just have a string of bad luck.

    Or maybe a significant number of Blacks are being held back by a liberal culture that lies to them and tells them they are meant to fail. That, by the way, seems to be John McWhorter's opinion, and he is pretty angry at what liberals have done to American Blacks.

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jim

    An interesting question is why some Blacks remain in the ghetto when anyone who really wants to can at least get a decent working-class job?

    Genetics.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  61. @Jack D
    @PhysicistDave

    Put it this way - very few blacks are against receiving free stuff.

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like "we built America". They really believe this crap. I'm sure that if I had quizzed them further they would have said that they are owed for their labors.

    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn't strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5' tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ftKft9V-F4E/WOPUt_pK0mI/AAAAAAAADr8/JJ1b_iiXWSkSMVyu4xWkmss32KxPMwrmwCLcB/s1600/Historia-de-los-chinos-americanos.jpg

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Father O'Hara, @George, @Reg Cæsar, @PhysicistDave, @mc23, @Abe

    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn’t strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5′ tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?

    Everything new is old. Just as globalization was already well under way by 1914, so too was the regular economic exploitation of “surplus” Chinese men, who as a rule are hard-working, uncomplaining, reliable, and- I’d throw into the bargain- affable. “Packets” of 50,000 or so coolies ready to ship-out halfway around the world to do back-breaking labor for minimum wages have been a dime a quintodeca-thousand for the last 200 years. Also, they tend to mind their own business and not rape the cuter local megafauna. Indeed the practice was so common it became one of the major issues of the 1906 British general election, when the Tories (in perfect GOPe/Chamber of Commerce-style douchebaggerry) were hammered for their plan to import thousands of Chinese to South Africa to undercut white working men-

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Abe


    their plan to import thousands of Chinese to South Africa to undercut white working men-
     
    Who let the Bantus in? Not the Tories.
    , @Sam Malone
    @Abe

    Thanks for showing that cool old political poster.

    , @Anonymous
    @Abe

    The gentleman importing the Chinese does not appear to be Anglo-Saxon.

  62. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    real estate, stocks and bonds, credentials, credit-ratings, lack of criminal records
     
    How could you forget good hair, cracka?!


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFGBEeiWUA8Y3f_.jpg

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Deckin

    Now we just need a name for this:

    Sassyphus?

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Deckin

    Excellent! Thanks.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Deckin


    Sassyphus?
     
    Good! I’d tweak it to Sassy Fuzz.
  63. Wokeness is based on envy and the quest for power , which is quite similar to the communist ideology. Instead of blaming Capitalists and attacking capitalists Wokeness blames Whites and attacks Whites for the inequality we observe in the world. Communists eliminated capitalists from their nations. The woke seek to destroy Whites and keep the corporate structures but with only Non-White CEOs and managers. Wokeness does not offer an alternative economic system to correct for past injustices or to correct current inequalities. They just seek to destroy white lives, by taking White wealth, power, jobs and our freedoms, especially the freedom to assemble and our freedom of speech. Only People of color can protest or write racist opinions or criticize the government. Whites will be incarcerated for protesting , or assembling in groups or for criticizing the government.

    the woke will not stop after they have taken much of the wealth from whites. They ultimately seek to eliminate whites from America. Wokeness is primarily anti-white. Which is one reason Latinos and Asians mostly support Wokeness. They also benefit from the woke ideology which blames Whites for all of the inequality in the world. Everyone else, including Asians , are victims of whites.

  64. @Abe
    @Jack D


    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn’t strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5′ tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?
     
    Everything new is old. Just as globalization was already well under way by 1914, so too was the regular economic exploitation of “surplus” Chinese men, who as a rule are hard-working, uncomplaining, reliable, and- I’d throw into the bargain- affable. “Packets” of 50,000 or so coolies ready to ship-out halfway around the world to do back-breaking labor for minimum wages have been a dime a quintodeca-thousand for the last 200 years. Also, they tend to mind their own business and not rape the cuter local megafauna. Indeed the practice was so common it became one of the major issues of the 1906 British general election, when the Tories (in perfect GOPe/Chamber of Commerce-style douchebaggerry) were hammered for their plan to import thousands of Chinese to South Africa to undercut white working men-

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Ten_Years_of_Toryism.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Sam Malone, @Anonymous

    their plan to import thousands of Chinese to South Africa to undercut white working men-

    Who let the Bantus in? Not the Tories.

  65. @ytcarl
    If whites aren't allowed to posit group differences in intelligence or morality (i.e., I.Q. and crime) as counter-arguments against "systemic racism," (which is the Invisible Hand or the phlogiston of the woke world), we're hamstrung at stopping this craziness reasonably. But who can say it, without suffering the hysterical mob coming after them?
    So be it: white ethnocentrism will inevitably re-assert itself. With every self-righteous woke statement, every double standard, every overblown charge of racism, the inevitable backlash builds.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘If whites aren’t allowed to posit group differences in intelligence or morality (i.e., I.Q. and crime) as counter-arguments against “systemic racism,” (which is the Invisible Hand or the phlogiston of the woke world), we’re hamstrung at stopping this craziness reasonably. But who can say it, without suffering the hysterical mob coming after them?
    So be it: white ethnocentrism will inevitably re-assert itself. With every self-righteous woke statement, every double standard, every overblown charge of racism, the inevitable backlash builds.’

    So one hopes.

  66. Actually, I think that the logic is simpler. Wokeness does not depend on whether anyone is at fault, or whether anything was stolen.

    Blacks want more stuff. It seems unfair to some that Whites have more than Blacks. So Blacks demand stuff.

    Simple as that.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Roger

    Wokeness isn't a Black! creation. Blacks! are the ones who suffer the most from the derangement of Wokeness. I keep reading articles lately about how Blacks! are leaving the big cities in droves. Maybe I misjudged Soros.

  67. @Steve Sailer
    @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/fbi-murders-up-4901-black-share-of-known-murder-offenders-reaches-record-56-5/

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2

    muchos gracias

  68. @PhysicistDave
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Last Real Calvinist wrote to me:


    If you believe, as I do, that it’s driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:
    ....
    ***But we don’t believe in God. And we know that we can do a better job of restoring the fallen world than He ever could.
     
    Well... I don't believe in God, I am pretty sure I am smarter than most people, and I have some rather clear ideas as to how my fellow citizens can have better lives -- stay away from alcohol and pot, for example.

    And yet somehow I have just never had the inclination to force my fellow citizens to live their lives my way by using the power of the state. Much less am I inclined to loot and burn (big celebratory Christmas trees seem to be the latest arson target, for some reason!).

    There is something wrong with these people beyond theological incorrectness. For some reason, they are not content to simply live their own lives but are intent on trying to live (or destroy) others' lives.

    My own current pet theory is that they suffer from a deep anxiety due to their own inability to deal with physical reality.

    The Woke Left at all levels, from the intellectuals down to the street thugs, are overwhelmingly composed of people who cannot rebuild a car engine, design an integrated circuit, engage in high-rise construction, or do anything that involves successfully dealing with external physical reality beyond what a random sixteen-year-old can do (i.e., the Woke Left can indeed fill their gas tank and open a bottle of wine but not much else).

    No one can do everything, but the people in the Woke Left seem incapable of doing anything productive at all.

    Unless we were to count the fact that many of them are pretty good at manipulating words in order to control their fellow human beings.

    They are failures at dealing with reality, buffoons who only survive because they manipulate decent people into taking them seriously.

    Rather than spitting at them.

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Bumpkin, @advancedatheist, @advancedatheist

    “The Woke Left at all levels, from the intellectuals down to the street thugs”

    Woke be casting a wide ass net here, yo.

  69. @Deckin
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Now we just need a name for this:

    Sassyphus?

    Replies: @Cortes, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Excellent! Thanks.

  70. @Reg Cæsar
    @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2


    Lol, i grew up in the south and about 1/3rd of my acquaintences, including close friends, are black and at least half (if not more) of them are ghetto blacks.
     
    The South can be really alien to the rest of us on certain points, this being one of them. PW speaks to our condition, not yours.

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2

    I will admit that I’ve wondered long and hard, with friends and siblings, if we didn’t grow in a time and place with more or less perfect race relations. A relatively small college town that had an arguably beneficial liberal effect on the typically southern community. I also wonder whether the local parks and rec dept had some positive effect by bringing us all together, both as young kids and to some extent the parents and whatnot.. The college has since become a leftist hellhole and is promoting any manner of incredibly counter-productive rhetoric. And i understand the highschools have metal detectors and the nephews and sons of friends say that there are basically race riots and the races barely mix on hoops court, etc. But, for a time there …

    • Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2
    @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2

    I was going through my mind thinking about all the racial incidents i encountered in my southern home town (up to college and then i lived there for a few years after college)

    In second(?) grade the one black guy with pretty bad discipline issues when into a rage, and hit the female teacher duing a kind of scuffle between the two. I know that's not a "racial" incident, per se. But its the best i have from elementary. Nothing else like it. He also punched me in the gut once for not giving him my uneaten lunch.
    In seventh grader i saw a fight in the hallway that may or may not have been instigated by the n-word.
    In ninth grade one of my friends called another the n-word because bro had been acting really stupid (he was the son of a prominent local bureaucrat)
    In tenth grade, one notoriously degenerate redneck got in some trouble for calling a black dude "boy" in class

    And that's all i can think of. And it isn't focused on school for any reason other than that i don't recall any racial incidents outside of school. Probably b/c it was the only thing that forced people to spend long periods of time with people they might not like. By the way, this was not very long after integration. And there had supposedly been race riots in the junior high about a decade or two before. And supposedly the current gym teacher, and my basketball coach, had broken them up gallantly. So, things may have been worse before my time.

    And there was none of this craziness that you see in videos these days. Of course, i don't know how common it is. But misbehavior by children or students was not tolerated. There was something about it all: Enough common grit and conventional wisdom to hold people accountable. A bit of liberal do goodery sprinkled on top. No one pitting us against each other. I didn't know a single teacher's politics until highschool when two history teachers had an apparently friendly feud of R vs D. We all more or less got along. Were there some bad apples? Some business owners that might not have hired a person based on their skin color? Some people that didn't want their sons or daughters mixing with other races. Yes and yes and yes. But, still it is almost like it was a dream looking back on it. Idyllic. Now the schools have metal detectors and the white boys don't want to play sports with the brothers. Out of fear.

    (ps. 3 posts per hour per thread limit??? WTF? C'mon, man! I'm permanently banned from Twiiter. I need to be heard!! Seriously what's my strategy here? Accumulating a bunch of replies in one i suppose )

    , @Hhsiii
    @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2

    Chapel Hill?

  71. 1) Wokeness is a form of societal overcompensation (Alfred Adler). And this form of overcompensation implies to be – half asleep (or being high).

    2) It would be good for a laugh if at it’s core it wouldn’t be so wrong (and so destructive).

    • Agree: El Dato
  72. @PhysicistDave
    @Jack D

    Jack D wrote to me:


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”. They really believe this crap.
     
    Well, I have known lots of Black folks over the years as fellow students, co-workers, neighbors, etc.

    But I admit that all of these folks were, or reasonably aspired to be, middle-class. So perhaps it is not a surprise that they did not have the attitudes you describe.

    An interesting question is why some Blacks remain in the ghetto when anyone who really wants to can at least get a decent working-class job? Are they too stupid? Too lazy? They like life on the streets in the ghetto?

    Maybe just bad luck, for a few of them. Some human beings do just have a string of bad luck.

    Or maybe a significant number of Blacks are being held back by a liberal culture that lies to them and tells them they are meant to fail. That, by the way, seems to be John McWhorter's opinion, and he is pretty angry at what liberals have done to American Blacks.

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jim

    Ghetto blacks average about 75 in IQ vs. the US black average of 85. The more intelligent blacks mostly escape the ghetto.

    According to Linda Gottfredson anyone with an IQ below 75 has almost no chance of permanent employment in the US economy.

    Modern societies have a big problem with a growing percentage of the population unable to make any significant contribution to economic production.

    This problem will get steadily worst.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Jim


    According to Linda Gottfredson anyone with an IQ below 75 has almost no chance of permanent employment in the US economy.

     

    This might well be the core of the matter - not cost-effective people in an economic world that is based on cost effectivity (labor wages aren't but a measure for this social practise).
    What is the answer: Subsidized wages?
    How to make sure then, that the subsidies do not turn out to function as a modern day version of - corruption of the common man? - The social state (as the modern democratic state in general) rests upon suppositions that are foundational and at the same time ignored (or sugar-coated in the woke mentality). - This causes insufficiencies in the dabates - and within the lifeworld (Edmund Husserl) of many a citizen.
  73. @Drake
    How anti-racism leads to anti-white racism:

    The most important issue to the left is racial inequality. The most important question to them is therefore: “What is the cause of racial inequality?”

    They reject the possibility of genetic or cultural differences leading to minorities doing worse.

    The only remaining alternative is to scapegoat white people. For every issue, for every way minorities do worse, the problem is always white people.

    When you scapegoat a group of people over and over, that psychologically conditions hatred of that group. And of course, it will tend to attract people who are already hateful and looking for a way to legitimize their feelings about white people.

    This scapegoating of a class of people was also found in communism, where capitalists were the scapegoat.

    Egalitarian ideologies are inherently prone to scapegoating.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @animalogic

    Agree with most of your comment. However find this point questionable —
    “Egalitarian ideologies are inherently prone to scapegoating.”
    I suspect most ideologies, when believed in fervently, intensely will tend to look for scapegoats.
    It’s almost a natural human response — “who can I blame? ”

  74. @Father O'Hara
    @Jack D

    I think there were ex slaves on the RR construction crews.
    But the final section of the track that completed the Trans Con RR was laid by Mike Shay, Thomas Daley,George Elliot,Michael Sullivan,Edward Killeen,Pat Joyce,Mike Joyce and Fred McNamara.
    Good China men all! 😊

    Replies: @animalogic

    Fair point. The Irish, & to some extent the British played huge roles in US railroad construction.

  75. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Put it this way – very few blacks are against receiving free stuff.
     
    Or anybody else.

    A Montanan was explaining to an out-of-state reporter the very libertarian, live-and-let-live attitude of his neighbors toward politics. He felt duty-bound to add, "Mind you, they won't turn down a federal subsidy..."

    Replies: @animalogic

    ““Mind you, they won’t turn down a federal subsidy…””
    There’s very few farmers or Ag’ businesses that haven’t been on the Gov teat….

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @animalogic

    I don't mind farmers getting subsidies; due to the weather they take big risks on every crop they plant. We should not expect the farmers to feed us and take all that risk by themselves.

    There is a lot of unfairness in agriculture and related businesses that we should not put up with. For example:

    "For every dollar Americans spent on Thanksgiving meals last week, farmers and ranchers earned around 14.3 cents, according to the National Farmers Union.

    In 1952, the farmer’s share of every food dollar spent by consumers was 50%."

    This article explains more.

    https://www.farmprogress.com/business/holiday-meal-farmers-see-less-15-cents-dollar

    I went looking for more info because I had heard that the today's inflated food prices were not benefitting farmers.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

  76. @Anon
    On this topic, have you seen the new paper that John Fuerst put out this month? It follows the paper you blogged about several months ago, using the same admixture regression approach to examine associations between racial ancestry and IQ. He splits the large overall sample to explore various non-ancestry explanations for the correlation, but finds that ancestry is what matters.

    These admixture regression scatter plots are very powerful graphics: maybe the most powerful HBD graphics I've seen.


    ...This paper applies stratified sub-sampling to explore the possibility that potential model mis-specification and/or variable mis-measurement underlies this empirical finding. The estimated coefficient on African ancestry is not significantly changed when the sample is stratified by low socioeconomic status/high socioeconomic status, Hispanic/non-Hispanic, Black-only/Black-White biracial, or Black/White racial group self-identification.
     
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356631519_Robustness_Analysis_of_African_Genetic_Ancestry_in_Admixture_Regression_Models_of_Cognitive_Test_Scores


    Gregory Connor summarizes it here: https://twitter.com/gregoryconnor11/status/1465680263573352455

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @res

    That paper definitely deserves a Sailer blog write-up.

  77. @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2
    @Reg Cæsar

    I will admit that I've wondered long and hard, with friends and siblings, if we didn't grow in a time and place with more or less perfect race relations. A relatively small college town that had an arguably beneficial liberal effect on the typically southern community. I also wonder whether the local parks and rec dept had some positive effect by bringing us all together, both as young kids and to some extent the parents and whatnot.. The college has since become a leftist hellhole and is promoting any manner of incredibly counter-productive rhetoric. And i understand the highschools have metal detectors and the nephews and sons of friends say that there are basically race riots and the races barely mix on hoops court, etc. But, for a time there ...

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Hhsiii

    I was going through my mind thinking about all the racial incidents i encountered in my southern home town (up to college and then i lived there for a few years after college)

    In second(?) grade the one black guy with pretty bad discipline issues when into a rage, and hit the female teacher duing a kind of scuffle between the two. I know that’s not a “racial” incident, per se. But its the best i have from elementary. Nothing else like it. He also punched me in the gut once for not giving him my uneaten lunch.
    In seventh grader i saw a fight in the hallway that may or may not have been instigated by the n-word.
    In ninth grade one of my friends called another the n-word because bro had been acting really stupid (he was the son of a prominent local bureaucrat)
    In tenth grade, one notoriously degenerate redneck got in some trouble for calling a black dude “boy” in class

    And that’s all i can think of. And it isn’t focused on school for any reason other than that i don’t recall any racial incidents outside of school. Probably b/c it was the only thing that forced people to spend long periods of time with people they might not like. By the way, this was not very long after integration. And there had supposedly been race riots in the junior high about a decade or two before. And supposedly the current gym teacher, and my basketball coach, had broken them up gallantly. So, things may have been worse before my time.

    And there was none of this craziness that you see in videos these days. Of course, i don’t know how common it is. But misbehavior by children or students was not tolerated. There was something about it all: Enough common grit and conventional wisdom to hold people accountable. A bit of liberal do goodery sprinkled on top. No one pitting us against each other. I didn’t know a single teacher’s politics until highschool when two history teachers had an apparently friendly feud of R vs D. We all more or less got along. Were there some bad apples? Some business owners that might not have hired a person based on their skin color? Some people that didn’t want their sons or daughters mixing with other races. Yes and yes and yes. But, still it is almost like it was a dream looking back on it. Idyllic. Now the schools have metal detectors and the white boys don’t want to play sports with the brothers. Out of fear.

    (ps. 3 posts per hour per thread limit??? WTF? C’mon, man! I’m permanently banned from Twiiter. I need to be heard!! Seriously what’s my strategy here? Accumulating a bunch of replies in one i suppose )

  78. @PhysicistDave
    @obwandiyag

    obwandiyag write to me:


    Yeah, right. Like scapegoating capitalists ain’t the best, most Christian, kindest, greatest, most admirable thing you could ever do.
     
    Well, my friend, I am not a Christian, as I have made clear repeatedly, so perhaps you responded to the wrong person.

    I have read the New Testament all the way through, and my take is that it has nothing to do with capitalism, socialism, or such matter at all. Jesus seems to be concerned, rather, with the "Kingdom of God," which seems, well, a bit different from, say Karl Marx's interests.

    And I see nothing in the New Testament that advocates forcibly taking wealth from the productive members of society, though the NT certainly does advocate voluntary charity towards the poor and does condemn an obsessive love for money for its own sake.

    But if you want to argue Christian theology, I fear you will have to talk to an actual Christian, not to me.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    You are a troll liar.

    You have not read the New Testament. Or you would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that 90% of what Jesus said was Robin Hood–take from the rich and give to the poor, feed the poor, the rich will never get to heaven, blessed are the downtrodden, the moneyless, the indigent, and cursed are the rich.

    Not only that, but you seem to be very painfully stupid. You actually think the rich got that way by being “productive.” My god, what a cheesehead. Nobody in their right mind believes that.

    • Troll: Clyde
    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @obwandiyag

    Zero sum is dumb.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @obwandiyag

    obwandiyag wrote to me:


    You are a troll liar.

    You have not read the New Testament. Or you would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that 90% of what Jesus said was Robin Hood–take from the rich and give to the poor...
     
    From now on, every single time I see a post from you, I intend to link to this comment and point out that you are a pathological liar.

    I have read the entire NT. I have not yet made it through all of the OT.

    And if you think there is any verse in the NT in which Jesus says that we should "take from the rich" -- as opposed to urging the rich to voluntarily give to the poor -- by all means post the verse.

    I am willing to be proven wrong. Do it.

    But I have indeed read the NT from Mt. 1:1 to the end of Revelations.

    And from now on, every single time I see a post from you I intend to link to this as proof that you are a proven pathological liar.

    Every single time.


    You Leftists really do have a sickness of the soul, don't you? Pathological liars all.

    By all means quote the NT verse that says we should "take" from the rich, rather than urging the rich to give voluntarily.

    I am willing to admit I might be wrong.

    But you are a pathological liar.

    Liar.

    Replies: @El Dato, @nebulafox

  79. @Roger
    Actually, I think that the logic is simpler. Wokeness does not depend on whether anyone is at fault, or whether anything was stolen.

    Blacks want more stuff. It seems unfair to some that Whites have more than Blacks. So Blacks demand stuff.

    Simple as that.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Wokeness isn’t a Black! creation. Blacks! are the ones who suffer the most from the derangement of Wokeness. I keep reading articles lately about how Blacks! are leaving the big cities in droves. Maybe I misjudged Soros.

  80. Anonymous[244] • Disclaimer says:

    No, Steve it is more basic and elemental than that:

    Really and truly it’s “Let’s Genocide the Whites!!!” – this statement is meant quite literally in the Hitlerian senses, I’m not joking or exaggerating here.

    Of course, it might seem odd that persons with white skin and European genetics are the biggest, loudest, leading and most vociferous advocates of this simple line of dogma.

    Nietzsche, insanity of crowds, suggestibility, religion and all that etc.

    But somehow, the woke whites hold onto the belief that after sacrificing their children to appease the gods – quite literally – and by showing their piety by being the most ruthless in the slaughter, the gods will be appeased by the hetacomb of ‘white trash’ and the ‘oppressed’ will be awed by their holiness and fervor and consider them honorary blacks.

  81. Wokeness just makes me think of Houston Stewart Chamberlain and his theory of culture bearers and culture destroyers, wokeness is not coherent, it is solely a destructive force, malleable to to any destructive task.

  82. @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2
    @Reg Cæsar

    I will admit that I've wondered long and hard, with friends and siblings, if we didn't grow in a time and place with more or less perfect race relations. A relatively small college town that had an arguably beneficial liberal effect on the typically southern community. I also wonder whether the local parks and rec dept had some positive effect by bringing us all together, both as young kids and to some extent the parents and whatnot.. The college has since become a leftist hellhole and is promoting any manner of incredibly counter-productive rhetoric. And i understand the highschools have metal detectors and the nephews and sons of friends say that there are basically race riots and the races barely mix on hoops court, etc. But, for a time there ...

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Hhsiii

    Chapel Hill?

  83. @obwandiyag
    @PhysicistDave

    You are a troll liar.

    You have not read the New Testament. Or you would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that 90% of what Jesus said was Robin Hood--take from the rich and give to the poor, feed the poor, the rich will never get to heaven, blessed are the downtrodden, the moneyless, the indigent, and cursed are the rich.

    Not only that, but you seem to be very painfully stupid. You actually think the rich got that way by being "productive." My god, what a cheesehead. Nobody in their right mind believes that.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @PhysicistDave

    Zero sum is dumb.

  84. @Rosie
    @PhysicistDave


    And they are trying to destroy this country, usually so they can gain some small benefit for themselves.
     
    I mostly agree with you and Drake, except that I don't think "the most important issue to the left is racial equality" as Drake charitably supposes. There is no consistent, abstract principle that animates the Left. The Left is just anti-White. Hence black underachievement relative to Whites is a problem while Asian overachievement is not. The whole point is to keep the anti-White coalition of the Fringes together and moral consistency does not factor into that calculus.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Rosie wrote to me

    :I mostly agree with you and Drake, except that I don’t think “the most important issue to the left is racial equality” as Drake charitably supposes. There is no consistent, abstract principle that animates the Left. The Left is just anti-White.

    You are too kind to the Left, Rosie. They do hate Asians, too. And the White Antifas and their Black thugs whom they use as pawns burn down neighborhoods that innocent Blacks have to live in. Not to mention the fact that most victims of Black crimes are other Blacks.

    At the very least, the Woke Left despises Black people as much as they hate Whites.

    Rosie also wrote:

    The whole point is to keep the anti-White coalition of the Fringes together and moral consistency does not factor into that calculus.

    Well, yeah, and I suppose what you are really getting at is that the anti-White hatred is really just a tool they are using to seize power.

    The Left as a whole suffers from a sickness of the soul (again, with the exception of some dissidents such as Glenn Greenwald). If they were not a danger to the human race, they would deserve our pity.

    Which does remind me of the topic that Tucker has rightly been harping on recently — the inclination not just of the Left but of the whole US Establishment to provoke a war with Russia over the Eastern Ukraine. I have a solution — let’s have a plebiscite in the Donbass and let the people choose nice and democratically — Russia or Ukraine. I think I know the outcome of such a vote.

    In any case, a war between Russian and the US is not in the interest of the human species.

  85. @advancedatheist
    @Paperback Writer

    Theoretical physicists themselves complain about the lack of progress in their field since the 1970's, when Gates got his Ph.D. Theoretical physics has basically basically into a grift which runs off the fumes from it successes in the early and middle 20th Century.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Bardon Kaldian, @Rob, @PhysicistDave

    Fundamental physics, as it is now, is miserable. For at least 30-40 years.

    But mathematics is flourishing. All levels, fields and areas.

    Astounding.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bardon Kaldian


    But mathematics is flourishing. All levels, fields and areas.
     
    Same flourishing happened in the USSR. Why? Well, since nobody understood what the mathematicians were doing, nobody except another mathematician could denounce them. Moreover, the mathematicians activities had about the same international prestige as, say, Chess. Stalin decreed the organization of local chess clubs, nationwide. Communism, back then, wanted to be thought of as being on "the right side of History" because it could organize society to produce even better thought and more consumer goods than the contemporary West, which it called "Capitalism".

    Other fields, such as Biology, were far from immune. Communist insistence on Lysenkoism as the basis for development of the "New Soviet Man", was also applied to crops. As an example, Lysenkoism predicted a rapid adaptation of wheat plants to colder and dryer areas, which resulted in massive wasted efforts planting crops that failed to adapt and produced no harvest. As recently as the Chernobyle failure, biology in the USSR was not permitted to use the concept of "genes".

    In the current situation, I would like to point out that WW II, US propaganda to the contrary, was not a triumph. It was the end of Western expansion. After the war, the West (and the USSR) pursued stability above all. The West failed to protect its empires, as that might have led back to general mechanized warfare, and attempts at further expansion through force worked out badly for the Communist countries (Korean invasion failed after heavy losses, Vietnam takeover by insurgency resulted in a regime that fought and defeated China, one of its sponsors during the insurgency). One of the victims of this was physics. Existing physics was put to military use in developing more firepower, a process that ended with the Bikini tests and the Tsar bomba. Theoretical physics became a game of old timers reviewing each other's grant requests. There were warnings at the time that this would kill new ideas, and it seems to have done so. Theoretical physics became much like Stalin's chess club -- a game supported for the prestige, but expected to produce nothing useful. As the man said while being carried out of town on a rail after being tarred and feathered, "if it weren't for the honor of the thing, I'd just as soon walk . . . ".

    Mathematics' sort of immunity was not total, however. Theoretical physics, which had very little salience to the general public, was apparently on Stalin's list for reorganization right up until the Los Alamos project, perhaps because it implied that the strict Newtonian causality that underlies Dialectical Materialism could be invalid. It would follow that theoretical physics was just one more tool of the Capitalists to enslave the Proletariat.

    Since there is no Los Alamos project for mathematics, mathematics might just be ripe for some similar action. Note that CRT declares that mathematics simply a tool of oppression, no more, a flim-flam intended solely to intimidate the oppressed. Given this, defunding mathematics is about the same as defunding the police: ending one tool of oppression and giving the money to ending oppression.

    Again, note that CRT is completely consistent with the 1964 Civil Rights act, as passed by Congress, and interpreted by Federal courts: Whites are responsible for the adequate welfare of protected groups, and the definition of "adequate welfare" is left to the protected groups. BLM is therefore the law of the land, and has been so since 1965. It is just now starting to be fully implemented.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Bardon Kaldian

  86. @animalogic
    @Reg Cæsar

    "“Mind you, they won’t turn down a federal subsidy…”"
    There's very few farmers or Ag' businesses that haven't been on the Gov teat....

    Replies: @notsaying

    I don’t mind farmers getting subsidies; due to the weather they take big risks on every crop they plant. We should not expect the farmers to feed us and take all that risk by themselves.

    There is a lot of unfairness in agriculture and related businesses that we should not put up with. For example:

    “For every dollar Americans spent on Thanksgiving meals last week, farmers and ranchers earned around 14.3 cents, according to the National Farmers Union.

    In 1952, the farmer’s share of every food dollar spent by consumers was 50%.”

    This article explains more.

    https://www.farmprogress.com/business/holiday-meal-farmers-see-less-15-cents-dollar

    I went looking for more info because I had heard that the today’s inflated food prices were not benefitting farmers.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @notsaying

    I think that people eat a lot more processed food than in 1952. In 1952 you might have gone to a turkey farm and bought the turkey directly from the farmer, so he got most of the proceeeds.

    In 2021 you buy a frozen tofu-turkey from the supermarket. The food chemists turn 50 cents worth of soybeans into a $10 frozen tofu turkey dinner.

    In 1952, most chicken was consumed as whole chickens. Today most chicken is consumed as Chicken McNuggets.

    Labor costs are higher than in 1952 (but farming is more mechanized). If I buy a 1 lb. loaf of bread it costs $3 today because of the labor involved, but the farmer gets 15 cents/lb. for the wheat. OTOH, I can buy a 5 lb. bag of flour for $2 and make my own bread because there is less value added labor (my labor doesn't get valued). There was labor added in 1952 also but it was relatively less expensive labor at the bakery and there was still more labor on the farm vs. today.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @notsaying


    “For every dollar Americans spent on Thanksgiving meals last week, farmers and ranchers earned around 14.3 cents, according to the National Farmers Union.

    In 1952, the farmer’s share of every food dollar spent by consumers was 50%.”
     
    How much of that went to braceros, then and now?

    Replies: @Jack D

  87. @ScarletNumber
    @Jack D


    pushes Algebra 1 back to 9th grade and deemphasizes calculus, while applying social justice concepts to math
     
    While I don't agree with the social-justice aspects of this, I agree with the overall shift in emphasis. No one will be hurt by waiting until high school to take Algebra I. Most children are not mentally mature enough to truly internalize the concepts, even if they can perform it mechanically.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jack D, @Rob, @Bumpkin

    That is true. But some kids are really good at math. They understand the concepts, not just the symbol manipulation (which is important, too). They should be able to learn math at a non-torturous pace. Is it still a thing in schools to “peer-assisted learning”? This was when they did not let smart kids have a smart kids class. They paired smart kids up with dumb ones. That way, the dumb kid can not get it when another kid shows him. Just like he couldn’t learn it from the teacher. The policy was a sure-fire failure. It pisses off the dumb kid, who is often one of the bullies, that other students understand things he doesn’t. In multiracial classrooms, it shows everyone hbd. The smart Asians and whites peer assist dim blacks and Hispanics.

    In fairness, the Hispanics might not be so dumb, they are just nosotros no hablamos ingles. But, much like blacks can be judged by their history on their continent, Mexicans and Central Americans can be judged by their contributions to civilization. A Spaniard wrote Don Quixote. They are also nosotros no hablamos ciencia o matematicas as peoples. Excepciones exceptuadas, estoy seguro.

    Back to trying to teach dumb kids. I see why teachers wanted it, as it made other people do their work, but from a Do Not Let Kids Know The Racial Secret point of view it was a total failure. What blacks lack in abstract reasoning, they do not lack in social awareness. They know that all the blacks need help every time. The white kids know that, too. From what I’ve managed to glean from blacks over the years, black mothers do not tell their kids that they are less intelligent than whites. They tell them that whites think they are less intelligent. This makes black kids very sensitive to evidence that the white stereotype is accurate. Try to teach a black kid least common denominator or factoring? He will go on about how he’s better at basketball than you are for a good twenty minutes at lunch.

    The transition from having high social status in school from being athletic to the adult world of having low social status from being dumb is very hard on male blacks. I know “kinesthetic intelligence” is one of the “multiple intelligences” myth, but it really does kids a disservice to make nearly every boy think he’s going to be a pro athlete, or even that bouncing a ball really well will make him smarter. Kids do not really need incentives to play sports. Wait. Maybe they do these days? What with Facebook and TikTok and Covid. Could the black murder rate be partially attributed to lack of exercise?

  88. @mc23
    @Jack D

    My mother used to talk about the Irish who built the railroads and before the railroads the canals. The canals in particular were grueling, deadly work.

    Plantation life was horrible, read Fredrick Douglas's accounts but most of the fruits of black labor really are gone with the wind.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Pericles

    I now never hear any Irish Americans lamenting about their forefathers who when died were unceremoniously dumped into the canals they were building!

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Dan Hayes

    But it was blacks that done that

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0FnJDhY9-0

  89. @mc23
    @Jack D

    My mother used to talk about the Irish who built the railroads and before the railroads the canals. The canals in particular were grueling, deadly work.

    Plantation life was horrible, read Fredrick Douglas's accounts but most of the fruits of black labor really are gone with the wind.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Pericles

    Library of Congress has a huge archive of slave interviews/narratives, though it seems to be somewhat concealed nowadays.

    For instance, chosen at random, here is Alabama (442 pages): https://memory.loc.gov/mss/mesn/010/010.pdf

    • Replies: @mc23
    @Pericles

    There are some up on Project Gutenburg. Very interesting reading.

  90. @advancedatheist
    @Paperback Writer

    Theoretical physicists themselves complain about the lack of progress in their field since the 1970's, when Gates got his Ph.D. Theoretical physics has basically basically into a grift which runs off the fumes from it successes in the early and middle 20th Century.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Bardon Kaldian, @Rob, @PhysicistDave

    I wonder if theoretical physicists could improve their performance if they became a bit less theoretical. Like, how about they focus on doing theory that makes testable predictions with experiments that are cheaper and easier to set up than colliding two black holes at near lightspeed relative to the observer.

    There was a woman in theoretical physics who said that there were some predictions of several theories of quantum gravity that we are within an order of magnitude of setting up large enough masses. She did not give details in the piece I read, but she had a book. If they are within an order of magnitude, then there are probably clever tricks that could get them closer to practical experiments.

    PhysicistDave, do you know what the woman’s name was? I think it started with a J. She wrote a long critique of theoretical physics as practiced, maybe a book, but maybe just an op-ed in a physics journal.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Rob


    Like, how about they focus on doing theory that makes testable predictions with experiments that are cheaper and easier to set up than colliding two black holes at near lightspeed relative to the observer.
     
    But you can't just demand that Nature allows you to do that. The theory is what it is.

    There was a woman in theoretical physics who said that there were some predictions of several theories of quantum gravity that we are within an order of magnitude of setting up large enough masses. She did not give details in the piece I read, but she had a book. If they are within an order of magnitude, then there are probably clever tricks that could get them closer to practical experiments.
     
    There definitely need to be clever tricks to do that and maybe they won't pan out. Unfortunately, these tricks come through fruition mainly through dogged work on something that may utterly fail, possibly in a large team eating up funding that need to be provided, for 10 maybe 20 years. Not something done lightly.

    Why, just yesterday in Quanta Magazine:

    Gravitational Waves Should Permanently Distort Space-Time

    Technically, this sounds as if they have found an integral that gives a different value before and after the passage of a gravitational wave. But can we test this?

    Alas, LIGO scientists haven’t yet seen evidence of the memory effect. The change in the distance between LIGO’s mirrors from a gravitational wave is minuscule — about one-thousandth the width of a proton — and the memory effect is predicted to be 20 times smaller.

    LIGO’s placement on our noisy planet worsens matters. Low-frequency seismic noise mimics the memory effect’s long-term changes in the mirror positions, so disentangling the signal from noise is tricky business.

    Earth’s gravitational pull also tends to restore LIGO’s mirrors to their original position, erasing its memory. So even though the kinks in space-time are permanent, the changes in the mirror position — which enables us to measure the kinks — are not. Researchers will need to measure the displacement of the mirrors caused by the memory effect before gravity has time to pull them back down.

    While detecting the memory effect caused by a single gravitational wave is infeasible with current technology, astrophysicists like Lasky and Patricia Schmidt of the University of Birmingham have thought up clever workarounds. “What you can do is effectively stack up the signal from multiple mergers,” said Lasky, “accumulating evidence in a very statistically rigorous way.”

    Lasky and Schmidt have independently predicted that they’ll need over 1,000 gravitational wave events to accumulate enough statistics to confirm they’ve seen the memory effect. With ongoing improvements to LIGO, as well as contributions from the VIRGO detector in Italy and KAGRA in Japan, Lasky thinks reaching 1,000 detections is a few short years away.
     

    PhysicistDave, do you know what the woman’s name was?
     
    May have been Sabine Hossenfelder.
    , @MEH 0910
    @Rob

    http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2020/01/how-to-test-quantum-gravity.html

    How To Test Quantum Gravity
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKtFU2Pxnm0


    Einstein's theory of gravity, General Relativity, is awesome. But strictly speaking it is wrong. We know that because it cannot handle the quantum behavior that particles have. To make quantum theory compatible with General Relativity, we need a theory of quantum gravity. We still don't have one. In this video, I explain what possibilities we have to experimentally test quantum gravity.
     

    I have a summary of the experiment with the graviational field of massive quantum systems here:

    http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2016/03/researchers-propose-experiment-to.html

    The paper is here:

    https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0264-9381/33/12/125031

    The paper about how to find evidence for quantum gravity in the cosmic microwave background is here:

    https://arxiv.org/abs/1510.04038

    I have an article here about tests of gravity with further references here:

    https://nautil.us/issue/45/power/what-quantum-gravity-needs-is-more-experiments
     
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465094252/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vamf_tkin_p1_i0
    , @PhysicistDave
    @Rob

    Rob asked me:


    PhysicistDave, do you know what the woman’s name was? I think it started with a J. She wrote a long critique of theoretical physics as practiced, maybe a book, but maybe just an op-ed in a physics journal.
     
    Yeah, as MEH 0910 indicates, you're talking about Sabine Hossenfelder, whom I do know personally (only via contacts over the Web).

    Sabine is very bright, albeit, in PW's terms, a "competent journeyman"rather than a "genius/magician" (same for me and most physicists). I think Sabine is a bit over-optimistic about the possibilities for testing quantum gravity, and I think the same for her attempts to explain quantum mechanics via "super-determinism."

    On the other hand... Sabine is certainly not a fool or a crack-pot.

    The main reason I am betting against her on both issues is that, after all, no one has yet succeeded on either count. So I may yet be proven wrong.

    For the record, had I been around back when Kamerlingh Onnes discovered superconductivity, I would have bet that he had made an experimental error. Of course, I would have been wrong. (But I was right about the supposed faster-than-light neutrinos.)

    Replies: @El Dato

  91. If you replaced whites and blacks with Rich and Poor, it would be a pretty good argument as far as I am concerned.

    The real trouble with Wokeness is that it has captured the very genuine rich poor inequality debate and re-written it as a minorities vs white debate. Of course that suits the high income woke world enormously.

    Inequality is a massive issue (and the real cause of Trump, Brexit, minority angst). Look at the Economics and it is crazy that we should be discussing anything else.
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2402045053153096&set=p.2402045053153096&type=3

  92. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”.

     

    I don't believe you, Jack. I don't believe you speak with ghetto blacks. No one here does. I have but one black acquaintance, a neighbor, who is a middle of the road Democrat. Like every other middle of the road Democrat, she proudly voted for Bloomberg 3 times. That's it. Other than her, I have to say my roster of black acquaintances is thin.

    I believe that you read the outrageous Twitter feeds of celebrity blacks like JoyAnne Reid and Michael Harriot, and you tell us here that you heard a black ghetto person say that.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Achmed E. Newman, @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Dr. X, @Don Unf

    No, that claim is believable. That sort of thing is fairly common, just as hearing anti-white social justice points being repeated verbatim is normal from blue-haired obesoid harpies — just like hearing *any* kind of common input being spewed by anyone, I guess. With them it is often tempered with their own religious strangeness, like the ‘we wuz kangz’, ‘we are the real jews’, ‘we built the pyramids’ Nation of Islam stuff, but the whole ‘we built America’ idiocy has for sure taken root. And why wouldn’t it? It feeds into the wacky narcissistic beast that is black consciousness.

  93. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    No, I heard that one at a "community hearing" in a black church in W. Philly that a developer client had to appear at because he was asking for some minor variance on a building he was building in a gentrifying area. A local Negro woman stood up and made this long pointless harranging speech about how Blacks had built the neighborhood (which was a lie - this was once a Jewish neighborhood and the blacks took over the housing stock without ever buiding a thing but letting lots of it fall into ruin.)

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Paperback Writer

    Uh, Jack, the neighborhood, like Mattapan and Randolph here in MA, wasn’t taken over by blacks. Jews SOLD it to blacks. Such a deal…

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    Have you ever heard of block busting? Blacks moving into your neighborhood means a crash in real estate values so once the 1st black moves in, everyone rushes out and sells at fire sale prices before prices crash even further. Wynnefield went from being a mostly Jewish suburb within the city lines (nice single family homes on good sized lots) to a ghetto overnight. Someone had just finished building a brand new high rise apartment bldg (not a project - middle income market rate housing for people who were aging out of their big houses but wanted to stay in the neighborhood) and the paint was barely dry when the neighborhood done change. They must have really taken a bath on that investment. Not only did people have to sell their houses but the synagogues also had to be sold to black churches for a song and of course all of the neighborhood shops (kosher butchers and bakeries and delis, etc.) had to close. Where are the reparations for that?

    This happened less in Italian neighborhoods (S. Philly is Italian to this day). When the 1st black family moved onto a block, that house would often suffer an unfortunate fire.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Ben tillman, @mc23

  94. One of the oddities of the woke moment is the sincere belief that whites have looted blacks to establish a massive wealth gap. Even if blacks were as productive per capita as whites and all of the fruits of this effort were stolen, the math still doesn’t work out.

    The media displays a distinct lack of curiosity about workforce participation by race, academic effort, differences in single motherhood and so on, because in no circumstances can it be contemplated that perhaps differences in personal behavior could have a meaningful impact on real world outcomes.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Arclight

    It's really amazing that blacks are only 13% of the population and mostly low skilled but somehow all of the wealth of the white 70% came from exploiting blacks. The math just doesn't add up.

  95. @Rob
    @advancedatheist

    I wonder if theoretical physicists could improve their performance if they became a bit less theoretical. Like, how about they focus on doing theory that makes testable predictions with experiments that are cheaper and easier to set up than colliding two black holes at near lightspeed relative to the observer.

    There was a woman in theoretical physics who said that there were some predictions of several theories of quantum gravity that we are within an order of magnitude of setting up large enough masses. She did not give details in the piece I read, but she had a book. If they are within an order of magnitude, then there are probably clever tricks that could get them closer to practical experiments.

    PhysicistDave, do you know what the woman’s name was? I think it started with a J. She wrote a long critique of theoretical physics as practiced, maybe a book, but maybe just an op-ed in a physics journal.

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @PhysicistDave

    Like, how about they focus on doing theory that makes testable predictions with experiments that are cheaper and easier to set up than colliding two black holes at near lightspeed relative to the observer.

    But you can’t just demand that Nature allows you to do that. The theory is what it is.

    There was a woman in theoretical physics who said that there were some predictions of several theories of quantum gravity that we are within an order of magnitude of setting up large enough masses. She did not give details in the piece I read, but she had a book. If they are within an order of magnitude, then there are probably clever tricks that could get them closer to practical experiments.

    There definitely need to be clever tricks to do that and maybe they won’t pan out. Unfortunately, these tricks come through fruition mainly through dogged work on something that may utterly fail, possibly in a large team eating up funding that need to be provided, for 10 maybe 20 years. Not something done lightly.

    Why, just yesterday in Quanta Magazine:

    Gravitational Waves Should Permanently Distort Space-Time

    Technically, this sounds as if they have found an integral that gives a different value before and after the passage of a gravitational wave. But can we test this?

    Alas, LIGO scientists haven’t yet seen evidence of the memory effect. The change in the distance between LIGO’s mirrors from a gravitational wave is minuscule — about one-thousandth the width of a proton — and the memory effect is predicted to be 20 times smaller.

    LIGO’s placement on our noisy planet worsens matters. Low-frequency seismic noise mimics the memory effect’s long-term changes in the mirror positions, so disentangling the signal from noise is tricky business.

    Earth’s gravitational pull also tends to restore LIGO’s mirrors to their original position, erasing its memory. So even though the kinks in space-time are permanent, the changes in the mirror position — which enables us to measure the kinks — are not. Researchers will need to measure the displacement of the mirrors caused by the memory effect before gravity has time to pull them back down.

    While detecting the memory effect caused by a single gravitational wave is infeasible with current technology, astrophysicists like Lasky and Patricia Schmidt of the University of Birmingham have thought up clever workarounds. “What you can do is effectively stack up the signal from multiple mergers,” said Lasky, “accumulating evidence in a very statistically rigorous way.”

    Lasky and Schmidt have independently predicted that they’ll need over 1,000 gravitational wave events to accumulate enough statistics to confirm they’ve seen the memory effect. With ongoing improvements to LIGO, as well as contributions from the VIRGO detector in Italy and KAGRA in Japan, Lasky thinks reaching 1,000 detections is a few short years away.

    PhysicistDave, do you know what the woman’s name was?

    May have been Sabine Hossenfelder.

    • Thanks: Rob
  96. @Dan Hayes
    @mc23

    I now never hear any Irish Americans lamenting about their forefathers who when died were unceremoniously dumped into the canals they were building!

    Replies: @El Dato

    But it was blacks that done that

  97. No, the basic logic of Wokeness is:

    “We will destroy you and take everything from you.”

    Anti-racism is just one of their tools, they have many others.

  98. The basic logic of Wokeness:

    Logic is racist.

    The woke are like zombies. You either escape from them or destroy them.

  99. I used an inheritance from my maternal grandparents to pay for a remodel and addition to my house. Does that mean I have to let a black family move in? Maybe Daunte Wright’s kid?

  100. Everybody seeks to gain, and the ego strives to inflate itself at the expense of the real. This tendency is deeply embedded in human nature and we are all affected by it. You can’t expect Wokeness to go away in a society which—as ours has been for as long as anyone can remember—is premised on the idea of getting something for nothing. Wokeness is the other side’s version of the ever-rising NASDAQ and the subprime mortgage racket. Those aren’t real, either.

    If our society were premised on firm accounting principles, then we wouldn’t have Wokeness but we also wouldn’t have all the SWPL stuff people seem to aspire to. There is a reason why wealthy, urban, white liberals are the chieftains of the woke. They all share the same inner spirit and drive.

    • Thanks: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @Intelligent Dasein

    There's a saying, I think, about the sickness of the body being a reflection of sickness of the soul, and I think that fits here.

  101. – And that can’t possibly be any fault of blacks;

    Don’t you understand? Have you forgotten American history? Because of American history, saying that that black people are to blame for anything would be exactly the same as saying slavery was good. Exactly the same, you hear me!!!

  102. @PhysicistDave
    @Drake

    Drake wrote:


    How anti-racism leads to anti-white racism
     
    Well, once upon a time (I can still remember!), "anti-racism" meant we judge people as individuals.

    I have mentioned many times that I have met Tom Sowell, who is a great guy. He'd still be a great guy if he were White or Asian.

    And the linguist and political pundit John McWhorter truly is brilliant. He would be brilliant whatever his race.

    I'm not taking away from your broader points, which are spot on.

    But we should not accept that today's self-proclaimed "anti-racists" are what they claim to be.

    No, in fact, they are evil, virulent racists, as bad or worse than Bull Connor.

    And they are trying to destroy this country, usually so they can gain some small benefit for themselves.

    Drake also wrote:

    This scapegoating of a class of people was also found in communism, where capitalists were the scapegoat.

    Egalitarian ideologies are inherently prone to scapegoating.
     
    Indeed. The Left is inherently evil. There are some people who identify with the Left (e.g., Glenn Greenwald) who are decent human beings.

    But the Left always ends up spitting out such people.

    That is, if they do not actually kill them.

    Replies: @Rich, @obwandiyag, @Rosie, @Citizen of a Silly Country

    It’s funny how so many scientists, big brains and all, are so childlike in their political and cultural thinking.

    Btw, if Saint Thomas is so brilliant, why does he continue to believe that black underachievement is caused by culture – white culture at that – not partially genetic.

  103. @fnn
    Do you want you want to see someone who for sure would happily send you to a concentration camp?

    https://twitter.com/mikesacconetv/status/1468695255448961034





    Doesn't she sound like she's part Jewish?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D, @Old Prude, @Ben tillman

    The black lady sounds reasonable in objecting to the media tracking her to her family’s doorstep.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    The black lady sounds reasonable in objecting to the media tracking her to her family’s doorstep.
     
    She made it necessary, given her refusal to publicly discuss the following:

    Massachusetts AG probing road-rage allegations against DA Rachael Rollins

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/massachusetts-ag-probing-road-rage-allegations-against-da-rachael-rollins/
     


    Attorney general clears Rachael Rollins in alleged road rage incident

    Video footage was inconclusive, AG’s office says

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/11/metro/attorney-general-clears-suffolk-county-district-attorney-rachael-rollins-alleged-road-rage-incident/
     

    Back in January, the local Fox affiliate was at Rollins’ residence because Rollins, having been accused of road rage (having suffered lèse-majesté at the scene, aka “the rantings of a white woman”), and without wanting to publicly explain what happened …

    Boston Globe:


    Rollins has denied that she acted inappropriately and blamed Lawson for the [road rage] encounter, but her spokesman declined to discuss the incident in detail [emphasis added].
     
    … then suffered the further indignity of having reporters question her. :(

    I say good for the reporters for legitimately following up—she’s a public figure and their diligence further exposed her character. Her conduct is of major public interest, given her elevated position(s).

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    , @Russ
    @Steve Sailer


    The black lady sounds reasonable in objecting to the media tracking her to her family’s doorstep.
     
    An eminently fair point, in isolation. Of course, her political bedfellows don't have Qualm One against terrorizing the family of a Tucker Carlson or the like. Protest vs thee, but not vs me!
  104. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @PhysicistDave

    That's a good question, Dave. Steve is looking at this issue from the black point of view. But where does wokeness really spring from? If you believe, as I do, that it's driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:

    ***God created all people in His image, they are all of equal worth in His sight, and all who believe in Him are citizens of His kingdom, taking up diverse roles that are equally important in glorifying Him.

    ***But we don’t believe in God. And we know that we can do a better job of restoring the fallen world than He ever could.

    ***We see diversity -- and inequality -- among the peoples of the world.

    ***We will do what it takes, by whatever means necessary, to force all peoples to be equal in our sight. By so doing, we will create our own utopia that is even more good and just than God’s kingdom.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Veteran Aryan, @S, @S

    ***We will do what it takes, by whatever means necessary, to force all peoples to be equal in our sight. By so doing, we will create our own utopia that is even more good and just than God’s kingdom.

    And, in the process, become God. Which is just a fitting recognition of how morally superior they believe themselves to be.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Veteran Aryan

    Paging Kirillov...

  105. @Deckin
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Now we just need a name for this:

    Sassyphus?

    Replies: @Cortes, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Sassyphus?

    Good! I’d tweak it to Sassy Fuzz.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  106. Anonymous[373] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    @advancedatheist

    Fundamental physics, as it is now, is miserable. For at least 30-40 years.

    But mathematics is flourishing. All levels, fields and areas.

    Astounding.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    But mathematics is flourishing. All levels, fields and areas.

    Same flourishing happened in the USSR. Why? Well, since nobody understood what the mathematicians were doing, nobody except another mathematician could denounce them. Moreover, the mathematicians activities had about the same international prestige as, say, Chess. Stalin decreed the organization of local chess clubs, nationwide. Communism, back then, wanted to be thought of as being on “the right side of History” because it could organize society to produce even better thought and more consumer goods than the contemporary West, which it called “Capitalism”.

    Other fields, such as Biology, were far from immune. Communist insistence on Lysenkoism as the basis for development of the “New Soviet Man”, was also applied to crops. As an example, Lysenkoism predicted a rapid adaptation of wheat plants to colder and dryer areas, which resulted in massive wasted efforts planting crops that failed to adapt and produced no harvest. As recently as the Chernobyle failure, biology in the USSR was not permitted to use the concept of “genes”.

    In the current situation, I would like to point out that WW II, US propaganda to the contrary, was not a triumph. It was the end of Western expansion. After the war, the West (and the USSR) pursued stability above all. The West failed to protect its empires, as that might have led back to general mechanized warfare, and attempts at further expansion through force worked out badly for the Communist countries (Korean invasion failed after heavy losses, Vietnam takeover by insurgency resulted in a regime that fought and defeated China, one of its sponsors during the insurgency). One of the victims of this was physics. Existing physics was put to military use in developing more firepower, a process that ended with the Bikini tests and the Tsar bomba. Theoretical physics became a game of old timers reviewing each other’s grant requests. There were warnings at the time that this would kill new ideas, and it seems to have done so. Theoretical physics became much like Stalin’s chess club — a game supported for the prestige, but expected to produce nothing useful. As the man said while being carried out of town on a rail after being tarred and feathered, “if it weren’t for the honor of the thing, I’d just as soon walk . . . “.

    Mathematics’ sort of immunity was not total, however. Theoretical physics, which had very little salience to the general public, was apparently on Stalin’s list for reorganization right up until the Los Alamos project, perhaps because it implied that the strict Newtonian causality that underlies Dialectical Materialism could be invalid. It would follow that theoretical physics was just one more tool of the Capitalists to enslave the Proletariat.

    Since there is no Los Alamos project for mathematics, mathematics might just be ripe for some similar action. Note that CRT declares that mathematics simply a tool of oppression, no more, a flim-flam intended solely to intimidate the oppressed. Given this, defunding mathematics is about the same as defunding the police: ending one tool of oppression and giving the money to ending oppression.

    Again, note that CRT is completely consistent with the 1964 Civil Rights act, as passed by Congress, and interpreted by Federal courts: Whites are responsible for the adequate welfare of protected groups, and the definition of “adequate welfare” is left to the protected groups. BLM is therefore the law of the land, and has been so since 1965. It is just now starting to be fully implemented.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Anonymous

    Also to Bardon Kaldian's note that "mathematics is flourishing." The California education establishment's perspective on math curricula is currently at the stage of Revolutionary pronouncements on chess in the 1930s. Via Wiki, Old Bolshevik Nikolai Krylenko:


    We must finish once and for all with the neutrality of chess. We must condemn once and for all the formula "chess for the sake of chess", like the formula "art for art's sake". We must organize shock-brigades of chess-players, and begin immediate realization of a Five-Year Plan for chess.
     
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anonymous

    I know what you mean & agree to some extent.

    But, in my opinion, it goes far beyond politics. Simply, exact sciences have come, re. fundamental principles, to the saturation point where a new breakthrough is needed. Applied sciences, yes; fundamental stuff- not so. It is nobody's fault; it just is.

    Cognitive science of mathematics has, on the other hand, been steadily marching on from the late 18th C on. On and on. True, it has become more diversified; difficult; now, a single mind cannot grasp even one big field....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_mathematics#Branches_and_subjects

    Basically, it is:

    General/foundations [Study of foundations of mathematics and logic]

    Discrete mathematics/algebra [Study of structure of mathematical abstractions]

    Analysis [Study of change and quantity]

    Geometry and topology [Study of space]

    Applied mathematics / other [Study of applications of mathematical abstractions]

    And it goes on and on. For the past 250 years without interruption.

  107. @Batman
    It's not even that complicated or specific. Here's their thought process.

    Observe comparatively poor outcomes for blacks in anything whether it's education, wealth, incarceration, etc.

    That outcome can only be caused by things that blacks are, or by things that are done to blacks.

    Because we believe in "equality," we must automatically rule out the fact that the poor outcomes may be caused by something that blacks are (e.g. genetics, culture, etc.).

    Therefore, the only thing left to explain the poor outcomes is something that's done to blacks. Define this as "racism."

    Where's my Macarthur Genius grant?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Where’s my Macarthur Genius grant?

    Sorry, Ibram X. Kendi scooped you.

  108. Of course the nicest thing whites have are fathers.

  109. @fnn
    Do you want you want to see someone who for sure would happily send you to a concentration camp?

    https://twitter.com/mikesacconetv/status/1468695255448961034





    Doesn't she sound like she's part Jewish?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D, @Old Prude, @Ben tillman

    Doesn’t she sound like she’s part Jewish?

    How do part Jews sound? Does speaking grammatically and in complete sentences make her “sound part Jewish”?

    She’s white (Irish) on her father’s side and her mother’s family is from Barbados (a relatively high functioning place for blacks). 0% Jewish. This is a common combination for successful “blacks” in America today – they are black enough to qualify for AA and white enough to actually get thru school. And zero toxic ADOS culture in their homes.

  110. @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    Uh, Jack, the neighborhood, like Mattapan and Randolph here in MA, wasn't taken over by blacks. Jews SOLD it to blacks. Such a deal...

    Replies: @Jack D

    Have you ever heard of block busting? Blacks moving into your neighborhood means a crash in real estate values so once the 1st black moves in, everyone rushes out and sells at fire sale prices before prices crash even further. Wynnefield went from being a mostly Jewish suburb within the city lines (nice single family homes on good sized lots) to a ghetto overnight. Someone had just finished building a brand new high rise apartment bldg (not a project – middle income market rate housing for people who were aging out of their big houses but wanted to stay in the neighborhood) and the paint was barely dry when the neighborhood done change. They must have really taken a bath on that investment. Not only did people have to sell their houses but the synagogues also had to be sold to black churches for a song and of course all of the neighborhood shops (kosher butchers and bakeries and delis, etc.) had to close. Where are the reparations for that?

    This happened less in Italian neighborhoods (S. Philly is Italian to this day). When the 1st black family moved onto a block, that house would often suffer an unfortunate fire.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Jack D

    Based terrone

    , @Ben tillman
    @Jack D

    I found a dissertation by a guy named Markowitz that focused on the transformation of Wynnewood, which recounted a familiar pattern in the time frame when I would have guessed the change happened.

    But what happened later? Did it gentrify? I don’t remember seeing any blacks on my aunt’s street in Wynnewood when I was there in 1996.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @mc23
    @Jack D

    Yes, no one made money moving out. My youngest son was explaining Red Lining to me. I countered so you've heard of ethicnic cleaning? It wasn't simple rascism that prompted people to move.

    I knew people in South Philly. Not too long ago people there egged the house of an elderly women because her caretaker was black. My response was "what the hell" but part of it, unfortunately, was wow, "Based".

  111. @Steve Sailer
    @fnn

    The black lady sounds reasonable in objecting to the media tracking her to her family's doorstep.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Russ

    The black lady sounds reasonable in objecting to the media tracking her to her family’s doorstep.

    She made it necessary, given her refusal to publicly discuss the following:

    Massachusetts AG probing road-rage allegations against DA Rachael Rollins

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/massachusetts-ag-probing-road-rage-allegations-against-da-rachael-rollins/

    Attorney general clears Rachael Rollins in alleged road rage incident

    Video footage was inconclusive, AG’s office says

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/11/metro/attorney-general-clears-suffolk-county-district-attorney-rachael-rollins-alleged-road-rage-incident/

    Back in January, the local Fox affiliate was at Rollins’ residence because Rollins, having been accused of road rage (having suffered lèse-majesté at the scene, aka “the rantings of a white woman”), and without wanting to publicly explain what happened …

    Boston Globe:

    Rollins has denied that she acted inappropriately and blamed Lawson for the [road rage] encounter, but her spokesman declined to discuss the incident in detail [emphasis added].

    … then suffered the further indignity of having reporters question her. 🙁

    I say good for the reporters for legitimately following up—she’s a public figure and their diligence further exposed her character. Her conduct is of major public interest, given her elevated position(s).

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    This instance of parking-lot rage makes me think that maybe, just maybe, the road-rage accusation was true.

  112. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    No, I heard that one at a "community hearing" in a black church in W. Philly that a developer client had to appear at because he was asking for some minor variance on a building he was building in a gentrifying area. A local Negro woman stood up and made this long pointless harranging speech about how Blacks had built the neighborhood (which was a lie - this was once a Jewish neighborhood and the blacks took over the housing stock without ever buiding a thing but letting lots of it fall into ruin.)

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Paperback Writer

    OK Jack, you heard one “ghetto black” say that, at a hearing. Which is different from this:

    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”.

    Makes it sound as if you routinely have convos w/ghetto blacks who lecture you on this, out of hand.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Now you are goal post moving. First you said that I never heard this and now when I explained where and how I did in fact hear it, you say, well, you didn't hear it more than ONCE.

    What this woman was saying was not original. Someone like her is incapable of orginal thought. Others in the crowd were uh-huhing (as blacks are wont to do in a church). I assure you that this was not the one and only black person in Philadelphia who thinks that way.

  113. @Arclight
    One of the oddities of the woke moment is the sincere belief that whites have looted blacks to establish a massive wealth gap. Even if blacks were as productive per capita as whites and all of the fruits of this effort were stolen, the math still doesn't work out.

    The media displays a distinct lack of curiosity about workforce participation by race, academic effort, differences in single motherhood and so on, because in no circumstances can it be contemplated that perhaps differences in personal behavior could have a meaningful impact on real world outcomes.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s really amazing that blacks are only 13% of the population and mostly low skilled but somehow all of the wealth of the white 70% came from exploiting blacks. The math just doesn’t add up.

  114. @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2
    @Paperback Writer

    "No one here does. I have but one black acquaintance, a neighbor, who is a middle of the road Democrat."

    Lol, i grew up in the south and about 1/3rd of my acquaintences, including close friends, are black and at least half (if not more) of them are ghetto blacks. Many of them have even have had relatively successful careers as drug dealers and survived various shootouts, etc. Although being the age that I am, the ghetto of today may be a bit different/worst than the ghetto of yore. And I can't think of any that aren't Democrats. And a few that went off to places like Howard or Hampton (or the Navy) and got radicallized into militant anti-white nonsense.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    OK. I’m guessing that the majority of commenters here are white people who live in overwhelmingly white areas and speak with few blacks other than perhaps the UPS deliveryman on a daily basis, if that. Not that I’m criticizing. It’s the only rational way to live.

    • Agree: Tony massey
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    You really have no idea of people's situation. First of all, not everyone here is rich enough to be able to afford to live in a whitopia.

    Even people who live in white suburbs may have occassion to interact with blacks for various reasons - they have a business that requires this, they teach classes with black students or in a black area, they visit the nearby city for entertainment venues or medical appointments, they have black housekeepers, etc., etc. When the nearest city is half black, even if you live in a lilly white suburb it's impossible to completely avoid blacks.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Paperback Writer, @Justvisiting

  115. @Anonymous
    @Bardon Kaldian


    But mathematics is flourishing. All levels, fields and areas.
     
    Same flourishing happened in the USSR. Why? Well, since nobody understood what the mathematicians were doing, nobody except another mathematician could denounce them. Moreover, the mathematicians activities had about the same international prestige as, say, Chess. Stalin decreed the organization of local chess clubs, nationwide. Communism, back then, wanted to be thought of as being on "the right side of History" because it could organize society to produce even better thought and more consumer goods than the contemporary West, which it called "Capitalism".

    Other fields, such as Biology, were far from immune. Communist insistence on Lysenkoism as the basis for development of the "New Soviet Man", was also applied to crops. As an example, Lysenkoism predicted a rapid adaptation of wheat plants to colder and dryer areas, which resulted in massive wasted efforts planting crops that failed to adapt and produced no harvest. As recently as the Chernobyle failure, biology in the USSR was not permitted to use the concept of "genes".

    In the current situation, I would like to point out that WW II, US propaganda to the contrary, was not a triumph. It was the end of Western expansion. After the war, the West (and the USSR) pursued stability above all. The West failed to protect its empires, as that might have led back to general mechanized warfare, and attempts at further expansion through force worked out badly for the Communist countries (Korean invasion failed after heavy losses, Vietnam takeover by insurgency resulted in a regime that fought and defeated China, one of its sponsors during the insurgency). One of the victims of this was physics. Existing physics was put to military use in developing more firepower, a process that ended with the Bikini tests and the Tsar bomba. Theoretical physics became a game of old timers reviewing each other's grant requests. There were warnings at the time that this would kill new ideas, and it seems to have done so. Theoretical physics became much like Stalin's chess club -- a game supported for the prestige, but expected to produce nothing useful. As the man said while being carried out of town on a rail after being tarred and feathered, "if it weren't for the honor of the thing, I'd just as soon walk . . . ".

    Mathematics' sort of immunity was not total, however. Theoretical physics, which had very little salience to the general public, was apparently on Stalin's list for reorganization right up until the Los Alamos project, perhaps because it implied that the strict Newtonian causality that underlies Dialectical Materialism could be invalid. It would follow that theoretical physics was just one more tool of the Capitalists to enslave the Proletariat.

    Since there is no Los Alamos project for mathematics, mathematics might just be ripe for some similar action. Note that CRT declares that mathematics simply a tool of oppression, no more, a flim-flam intended solely to intimidate the oppressed. Given this, defunding mathematics is about the same as defunding the police: ending one tool of oppression and giving the money to ending oppression.

    Again, note that CRT is completely consistent with the 1964 Civil Rights act, as passed by Congress, and interpreted by Federal courts: Whites are responsible for the adequate welfare of protected groups, and the definition of "adequate welfare" is left to the protected groups. BLM is therefore the law of the land, and has been so since 1965. It is just now starting to be fully implemented.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Bardon Kaldian

    Also to Bardon Kaldian’s note that “mathematics is flourishing.” The California education establishment’s perspective on math curricula is currently at the stage of Revolutionary pronouncements on chess in the 1930s. Via Wiki, Old Bolshevik Nikolai Krylenko:

    We must finish once and for all with the neutrality of chess. We must condemn once and for all the formula “chess for the sake of chess”, like the formula “art for art’s sake”. We must organize shock-brigades of chess-players, and begin immediate realization of a Five-Year Plan for chess.

    • Agree: El Dato
  116. I hope that Steve will do a post on the latest Twitter rage about the gender gap between Hispanic men and women.

    Also that Steve will do a deep dive into the Hispanic Texas vote. I’m going to guess that the gender gap is less there.

  117. @Anonymous
    @Bardon Kaldian


    But mathematics is flourishing. All levels, fields and areas.
     
    Same flourishing happened in the USSR. Why? Well, since nobody understood what the mathematicians were doing, nobody except another mathematician could denounce them. Moreover, the mathematicians activities had about the same international prestige as, say, Chess. Stalin decreed the organization of local chess clubs, nationwide. Communism, back then, wanted to be thought of as being on "the right side of History" because it could organize society to produce even better thought and more consumer goods than the contemporary West, which it called "Capitalism".

    Other fields, such as Biology, were far from immune. Communist insistence on Lysenkoism as the basis for development of the "New Soviet Man", was also applied to crops. As an example, Lysenkoism predicted a rapid adaptation of wheat plants to colder and dryer areas, which resulted in massive wasted efforts planting crops that failed to adapt and produced no harvest. As recently as the Chernobyle failure, biology in the USSR was not permitted to use the concept of "genes".

    In the current situation, I would like to point out that WW II, US propaganda to the contrary, was not a triumph. It was the end of Western expansion. After the war, the West (and the USSR) pursued stability above all. The West failed to protect its empires, as that might have led back to general mechanized warfare, and attempts at further expansion through force worked out badly for the Communist countries (Korean invasion failed after heavy losses, Vietnam takeover by insurgency resulted in a regime that fought and defeated China, one of its sponsors during the insurgency). One of the victims of this was physics. Existing physics was put to military use in developing more firepower, a process that ended with the Bikini tests and the Tsar bomba. Theoretical physics became a game of old timers reviewing each other's grant requests. There were warnings at the time that this would kill new ideas, and it seems to have done so. Theoretical physics became much like Stalin's chess club -- a game supported for the prestige, but expected to produce nothing useful. As the man said while being carried out of town on a rail after being tarred and feathered, "if it weren't for the honor of the thing, I'd just as soon walk . . . ".

    Mathematics' sort of immunity was not total, however. Theoretical physics, which had very little salience to the general public, was apparently on Stalin's list for reorganization right up until the Los Alamos project, perhaps because it implied that the strict Newtonian causality that underlies Dialectical Materialism could be invalid. It would follow that theoretical physics was just one more tool of the Capitalists to enslave the Proletariat.

    Since there is no Los Alamos project for mathematics, mathematics might just be ripe for some similar action. Note that CRT declares that mathematics simply a tool of oppression, no more, a flim-flam intended solely to intimidate the oppressed. Given this, defunding mathematics is about the same as defunding the police: ending one tool of oppression and giving the money to ending oppression.

    Again, note that CRT is completely consistent with the 1964 Civil Rights act, as passed by Congress, and interpreted by Federal courts: Whites are responsible for the adequate welfare of protected groups, and the definition of "adequate welfare" is left to the protected groups. BLM is therefore the law of the land, and has been so since 1965. It is just now starting to be fully implemented.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Bardon Kaldian

    I know what you mean & agree to some extent.

    But, in my opinion, it goes far beyond politics. Simply, exact sciences have come, re. fundamental principles, to the saturation point where a new breakthrough is needed. Applied sciences, yes; fundamental stuff- not so. It is nobody’s fault; it just is.

    Cognitive science of mathematics has, on the other hand, been steadily marching on from the late 18th C on. On and on. True, it has become more diversified; difficult; now, a single mind cannot grasp even one big field….

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_mathematics#Branches_and_subjects

    Basically, it is:

    General/foundations [Study of foundations of mathematics and logic]

    Discrete mathematics/algebra [Study of structure of mathematical abstractions]

    Analysis [Study of change and quantity]

    Geometry and topology [Study of space]

    Applied mathematics / other [Study of applications of mathematical abstractions]

    And it goes on and on. For the past 250 years without interruption.

  118. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    OK Jack, you heard one "ghetto black" say that, at a hearing. Which is different from this:


    I have personally heard ghetto blacks say stuff like “we built America”.

     

    Makes it sound as if you routinely have convos w/ghetto blacks who lecture you on this, out of hand.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Now you are goal post moving. First you said that I never heard this and now when I explained where and how I did in fact hear it, you say, well, you didn’t hear it more than ONCE.

    What this woman was saying was not original. Someone like her is incapable of orginal thought. Others in the crowd were uh-huhing (as blacks are wont to do in a church). I assure you that this was not the one and only black person in Philadelphia who thinks that way.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  119. @Paperback Writer
    @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2

    OK. I'm guessing that the majority of commenters here are white people who live in overwhelmingly white areas and speak with few blacks other than perhaps the UPS deliveryman on a daily basis, if that. Not that I'm criticizing. It's the only rational way to live.

    Replies: @Jack D

    You really have no idea of people’s situation. First of all, not everyone here is rich enough to be able to afford to live in a whitopia.

    Even people who live in white suburbs may have occassion to interact with blacks for various reasons – they have a business that requires this, they teach classes with black students or in a black area, they visit the nearby city for entertainment venues or medical appointments, they have black housekeepers, etc., etc. When the nearest city is half black, even if you live in a lilly white suburb it’s impossible to completely avoid blacks.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Even people who live in white suburbs may have occassion to interact with blacks for various reasons – they have a business that requires this, they teach classes with black students or in a black area, they visit the nearby city for entertainment venues or medical appointments, they have black housekeepers, etc., etc. When the nearest city is half black, even if you live in a lilly white suburb it’s impossible to completely avoid blacks.
     
    The problem is that the people who are best able to sequester themselves from underclass blacks make a sport of humiliating those who are least able to sequester themselves from underclass blacks, and often actively engage in politics to make the latter's lives more miserable.

    We probably underrate how much the appetite for "diversity" among the well-heeled is employed to supply them with well behaved blacks carefully screened by education and employment as a means to provide plausible deniability.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    Most whites live among other whites - no cute names are necessary. And they socialize among other whites. This is no secret. I didn't say that the whites here or anywhere "completely avoid" blacks, just that conversations, esp. about social conditions, are rare. Talk about goalpost shifting.

    As if I needed to prove it but anyway:

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/even-as-metropolitan-areas-diversify-white-americans-still-live-in-mostly-white-neighborhoods/

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Justvisiting
    @Jack D


    it’s impossible to completely avoid blacks.
     
    But--like all "impossible" things, hard work and creative solutions will be rewarded!
  120. @notsaying
    @animalogic

    I don't mind farmers getting subsidies; due to the weather they take big risks on every crop they plant. We should not expect the farmers to feed us and take all that risk by themselves.

    There is a lot of unfairness in agriculture and related businesses that we should not put up with. For example:

    "For every dollar Americans spent on Thanksgiving meals last week, farmers and ranchers earned around 14.3 cents, according to the National Farmers Union.

    In 1952, the farmer’s share of every food dollar spent by consumers was 50%."

    This article explains more.

    https://www.farmprogress.com/business/holiday-meal-farmers-see-less-15-cents-dollar

    I went looking for more info because I had heard that the today's inflated food prices were not benefitting farmers.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    I think that people eat a lot more processed food than in 1952. In 1952 you might have gone to a turkey farm and bought the turkey directly from the farmer, so he got most of the proceeeds.

    In 2021 you buy a frozen tofu-turkey from the supermarket. The food chemists turn 50 cents worth of soybeans into a \$10 frozen tofu turkey dinner.

    In 1952, most chicken was consumed as whole chickens. Today most chicken is consumed as Chicken McNuggets.

    Labor costs are higher than in 1952 (but farming is more mechanized). If I buy a 1 lb. loaf of bread it costs \$3 today because of the labor involved, but the farmer gets 15 cents/lb. for the wheat. OTOH, I can buy a 5 lb. bag of flour for \$2 and make my own bread because there is less value added labor (my labor doesn’t get valued). There was labor added in 1952 also but it was relatively less expensive labor at the bakery and there was still more labor on the farm vs. today.

  121. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    You really have no idea of people's situation. First of all, not everyone here is rich enough to be able to afford to live in a whitopia.

    Even people who live in white suburbs may have occassion to interact with blacks for various reasons - they have a business that requires this, they teach classes with black students or in a black area, they visit the nearby city for entertainment venues or medical appointments, they have black housekeepers, etc., etc. When the nearest city is half black, even if you live in a lilly white suburb it's impossible to completely avoid blacks.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Paperback Writer, @Justvisiting

    Even people who live in white suburbs may have occassion to interact with blacks for various reasons – they have a business that requires this, they teach classes with black students or in a black area, they visit the nearby city for entertainment venues or medical appointments, they have black housekeepers, etc., etc. When the nearest city is half black, even if you live in a lilly white suburb it’s impossible to completely avoid blacks.

    The problem is that the people who are best able to sequester themselves from underclass blacks make a sport of humiliating those who are least able to sequester themselves from underclass blacks, and often actively engage in politics to make the latter’s lives more miserable.

    We probably underrate how much the appetite for “diversity” among the well-heeled is employed to supply them with well behaved blacks carefully screened by education and employment as a means to provide plausible deniability.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Some of them are genuinely ignorant, and find out the hard way, like the Marxist Temple U grad who was recently murdered in a typically underclass black, utterly remorseless way.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

  122. @fnn
    Do you want you want to see someone who for sure would happily send you to a concentration camp?

    https://twitter.com/mikesacconetv/status/1468695255448961034





    Doesn't she sound like she's part Jewish?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D, @Old Prude, @Ben tillman

    Quite a caboose on that one. The camo zip up is a touch of class.

  123. @Russ
    Blacks in the United States enjoy a higher standard of living than blacks anywhere else, thanks to whites in the United States. Better to dispense with the cutesy cutesy and just state the plain truth.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Blacks in the United States enjoy a higher standard of living than blacks anywhere else, thanks to whites in the United States. Better to dispense with the cutesy cutesy and just state the plain truth.

    Yep. There are 40-50 countries in the world with black majorities. In not a single one of them do blacks do better than they do in white majority countries. In the United States, black life expectancy is ~75 years. In Africa the overall average life expectancy is 64.5 years, and that average includes North Africa where life expectancies are much higher.

    In terms of income, the difference is a full order of magnitude. Per capita income for most of Sub-Saharan Africa is less than \$3,000. In the United States, black per capita income is at least ten times higher.

    If the United States didn’t have blacks, and had never had blacks, it would be a lot like the other former British colonies that never had slavery – Canada, Australia or New Zealand. In other words, quite nice. If it were only black it would look like Haiti or Nigeria.

    These people do almost nothing and produce almost nothing, and the. complain that they only have 50-80% of what the rest of us have. Their moment is over. Move to a black majority country or just shut the hell up.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Wilkey

    Well, the current Economist-whipped elitist policy agenda is that white majority populated nations, and *ONLY* white nations, mark you, must systematically and gradually abolish all immigration controls whatsoever - therefore basically invited *all* of subsaharan Africa's population to come and partake of the 'good life'.
    Of course, subsaharan Africa's population will top 4 billion this century.

    You do the math.

    The Economist assures us that this will 'increase global GDP', hence they advocate it.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Wilkey


    If the United States didn’t have blacks, and had never had blacks, it would be a lot like the other former British colonies that never had slavery – Canada, Australia or New Zealand. In other words, quite nice. If it were only black it would look like Haiti or Nigeria.
     
    Only better.

    The US is a far superior piece of real estate--principally far superior farmland, but also river transport, access to foreign markets, carrying capacity generating economies of scale--than anyplace else in the Anglosphere. It should be more prosperous than Canada and Australia--and is. But only slightly.

    Your paragraph can not be repeated enough: Blacks are not a benefit that white people do not appreciate, they are a--very expensive--cost that whites have had--through their ancestors' greed/lack-of-foresight--to bear.
  124. Anonymous[976] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    @Russ


    Blacks in the United States enjoy a higher standard of living than blacks anywhere else, thanks to whites in the United States. Better to dispense with the cutesy cutesy and just state the plain truth.
     
    Yep. There are 40-50 countries in the world with black majorities. In not a single one of them do blacks do better than they do in white majority countries. In the United States, black life expectancy is ~75 years. In Africa the overall average life expectancy is 64.5 years, and that average includes North Africa where life expectancies are much higher.

    In terms of income, the difference is a full order of magnitude. Per capita income for most of Sub-Saharan Africa is less than $3,000. In the United States, black per capita income is at least ten times higher.

    If the United States didn’t have blacks, and had never had blacks, it would be a lot like the other former British colonies that never had slavery - Canada, Australia or New Zealand. In other words, quite nice. If it were only black it would look like Haiti or Nigeria.

    These people do almost nothing and produce almost nothing, and the. complain that they only have 50-80% of what the rest of us have. Their moment is over. Move to a black majority country or just shut the hell up.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    Well, the current Economist-whipped elitist policy agenda is that white majority populated nations, and *ONLY* white nations, mark you, must systematically and gradually abolish all immigration controls whatsoever – therefore basically invited *all* of subsaharan Africa’s population to come and partake of the ‘good life’.
    Of course, subsaharan Africa’s population will top 4 billion this century.

    You do the math.

    The Economist assures us that this will ‘increase global GDP’, hence they advocate it.

  125. Wrong wrong wrong Steve. Oh sure, the Woke want YT’s money. But that is not the main driver.

    The main driver is HATE HATE HATE. It always has been and always will be.

    Blacks and mulattos just HATE HATE HATE Whites. Particularly White men. Its genetic. Innate. Cannot be reasoned with, bribed, or anything else. It just is. Anything and everything will in black people create Reginald Denny Day. Where some White person JUST BY EXISTING creates rage and thus violence dealt out upon said White person. Tessa Majors, heck Cannon Hinant. What sort of person shoots a five year old White boy in the head? Answer, a black man. That is who. It just is, and Whites know it. Latinos too, as they are the secondary target of blacks who also HATE HATE HATE them as well. As well as Asians who though are more upper class or aspire to be so pretend the dudes beating up elderly Asian grannies are White not black thugs as they are in reality.

    The secondary driver of the Woke is White women, who … HATE HATE HATE beta White males. Just for existing. Its why BLM rallies feature White women, and blacks. White men generally do not hate themselves. But then White women view that since the black people are in the ascendancy, why not have their very own Barack Obama, a “half-blood prince” who can rule like a Tyrant. Scheming against other White women to be the #2 squeeze and mabye #1 of some Warlord/Rapper of five blocks of the CHAZ is what White women crave pretty much.

    Money matters a lot less than you think Steve. Bill Gates as the richest man in the world had to go to Epstein for “needs.” Iggy Pop, Led Zeppelin, and Don Henley had no need to seek out an intermediary. Money only dates to 700 BC or so and the Kingdom of Lydia. Its new and most people care less about that than POWER and SEX. Both of which are far older. And inter-related. White women HATE HATE HATE beta males on a genetic level, craving the sort of uber-Alpha low IQ dominance found in George Floyd. Had the dude been like say Urkel, no BLM rallies filled with White women. Blacks just hate Whites for who and what we are, everything about us from our lack of rhythm in dancing, to tendency to abstract thinking, to desire to tinker with tools and machines, to love of nature enrages them on a genetic level.

    Which means there is no answer for this at all. None whatsoever, and a lot sooner than later the White Trees will all be cut down.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Whiskey

    You might want to consider switching to club soda. This shtick is getting a bit off the rails.

  126. @PhysicistDave
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback Writer asked me:


    Physicist Dave, you may not have seen my question about Sylvester Gates, the black Ph.D.
     
    Well, you motivated me to check out his papers on the arxiv.

    He has co-authored quite a few papers and is single author on a handful.

    The papers all look legit in terms of titles and abstracts -- heavily tilted towards the speculative subjects of super-symmetry and string theory, but that has dominated the field for quite a while.

    Incidentally, anyone who looks through the papers should not be put off by the word "ectoplasm" in a few of the titles (e.g., this one): this is an allusion to a bit of a physicists' joke about the "body" and "soul" coordinates in super-symmetric theories.

    Bizarrely, he has some papers (e.g., this one) that seem to legitimately connect two of my own interests -- theoretical particle physics and error-correction coding theory.

    So, I am pretty sure he is legit.

    He seems to have graduated from MIT way back when, perhaps long enough ago that affirmative action was not all-controlling.

    Is he super brilliant?

    Well... none of his papers look Nobel-worthy to me. Which is another way of saying maybe he is as bright as me, maybe even a little brighter.

    But not a Hawking or a Feynman.

    And now I have the homework assignment of actually reading his papers that relate to my own interests.

    So thanks for your question.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    You’re quite welcome. I look forward to your thoughts on his work.

    For the record, my question wasn’t meant to imply that the guilty white liberals at MIT gave a completely unmerited Ph.D. to him because he was black. Of course, he’s smarter than 99% of the rest of us. ” Compared to the average, he’s brilliant. But compared to other physicists, what do you make of him?

    My earlier comments asked, “Is he a competent journeyman or a genius/magician? I know several physicists, all late middle-aged to elderly Jewish men, who referred to themselves as “journeymen.” No one made a big deal of them because obvious. That was the basis of my question.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback Writer wrote to me:


    For the record, my question wasn’t meant to imply that the guilty white liberals at MIT gave a completely unmerited Ph.D. to him because he was black. Of course, he’s smarter than 99% of the rest of us. ” Compared to the average, he’s brilliant. But compared to other physicists, what do you make of him?

    My earlier comments asked, “Is he a competent journeyman or a genius/magician?
     
    Well... that was what I was trying to address by saying he was not a Feynman or a Hawking.

    I'd like to think I myself am a "competent journeyman" as a physicist. To give one example, I was able to derive on my own the correct formula for what is known as the "Thomas precession." That may not sound like much, except that after I derived it, I found out that what is usually accepted in the physics literature in the West is wrong!

    So, how do I know I'm right? Well, aside from the fact that my derivation is quite straightforward, I agree with Thomas' original answer. I also agree with the accepted formula known to Russians.

    How on earth could this have happened? As far as I can tell, one single guy in the West messed it up back in the 1950s, people kept copying his mistake, and no one bothered to check back against Thomas' original work.

    Pretty weird, huh?

    Anyway, after that little digression... yes, Gates seems to be a "competent journeyman." It's hard for me to judge if he is about at my own level or a little bit below or a little bit above. Glancing through his papers, I suspect most of our peers would rate him somewhat higher than me (but then much of my career has been in industry, not in academic physics).

    Could Gates plausibly be rated as a" genius/magician"? It's subjective of course, but I really do not think so. I had never heard of him until recently -- he is just not up there with, say, Ed Witten.

    Again, his work looks reputable, solid, and intriguing to me. My take is that he is a more-than-minimally competent physicist.

    Will he be remembered fifty years from now? Probably about as much as I will be-- i.e., hopefully by our grandkids.,

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  127. The world is big … but sadly not big enough.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad

    It would be plenty big enough if races weren't forced into contact with each other.

  128. The basic logic of Wokeness:

    Parasites complaining about the deplorable hosts who feed them.

  129. @Wilkey
    @Russ


    Blacks in the United States enjoy a higher standard of living than blacks anywhere else, thanks to whites in the United States. Better to dispense with the cutesy cutesy and just state the plain truth.
     
    Yep. There are 40-50 countries in the world with black majorities. In not a single one of them do blacks do better than they do in white majority countries. In the United States, black life expectancy is ~75 years. In Africa the overall average life expectancy is 64.5 years, and that average includes North Africa where life expectancies are much higher.

    In terms of income, the difference is a full order of magnitude. Per capita income for most of Sub-Saharan Africa is less than $3,000. In the United States, black per capita income is at least ten times higher.

    If the United States didn’t have blacks, and had never had blacks, it would be a lot like the other former British colonies that never had slavery - Canada, Australia or New Zealand. In other words, quite nice. If it were only black it would look like Haiti or Nigeria.

    These people do almost nothing and produce almost nothing, and the. complain that they only have 50-80% of what the rest of us have. Their moment is over. Move to a black majority country or just shut the hell up.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AnotherDad

    If the United States didn’t have blacks, and had never had blacks, it would be a lot like the other former British colonies that never had slavery – Canada, Australia or New Zealand. In other words, quite nice. If it were only black it would look like Haiti or Nigeria.

    Only better.

    The US is a far superior piece of real estate–principally far superior farmland, but also river transport, access to foreign markets, carrying capacity generating economies of scale–than anyplace else in the Anglosphere. It should be more prosperous than Canada and Australia–and is. But only slightly.

    Your paragraph can not be repeated enough: Blacks are not a benefit that white people do not appreciate, they are a–very expensive–cost that whites have had–through their ancestors’ greed/lack-of-foresight–to bear.

  130. @Buzz Mohawk
    @ScarletNumber

    Nonsense!

    What you need to do is make it available earlier for those with a talent for math. My wife was doing algebra in 6th grade. I have seen her textbooks. She saved them. The depth is impressive. They were also introducing elements of Euclidean geometry, instead of stupidly separating parts of math by year the way we do here.

    The earliest Algebra I was offered in my school was 8th grade. When I got to it, I found out it was easy, got an A on every test. I could have done it as early as my wife did in her country, but it was not available.

    The math curriculum in the US has been dumb for generations. What you need to do is track students according to their perfomance, their ability. Don't hold the talented ones back, or you will blunt the talent of your country.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @nebulafox

    Blunting this country’s talent is the point

  131. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    You really have no idea of people's situation. First of all, not everyone here is rich enough to be able to afford to live in a whitopia.

    Even people who live in white suburbs may have occassion to interact with blacks for various reasons - they have a business that requires this, they teach classes with black students or in a black area, they visit the nearby city for entertainment venues or medical appointments, they have black housekeepers, etc., etc. When the nearest city is half black, even if you live in a lilly white suburb it's impossible to completely avoid blacks.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Paperback Writer, @Justvisiting

    Most whites live among other whites – no cute names are necessary. And they socialize among other whites. This is no secret. I didn’t say that the whites here or anywhere “completely avoid” blacks, just that conversations, esp. about social conditions, are rare. Talk about goalpost shifting.

    As if I needed to prove it but anyway:

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/even-as-metropolitan-areas-diversify-white-americans-still-live-in-mostly-white-neighborhoods/

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    I am old enough to have seen Isaac Bashevis Singer on several occassions. He was an entertaining speaker but basically he had a set of pat jokes (proven winners) that he would repeat in every speech. One of them was about being asked if Yiddish literature was dying. His answer is that there is a big difference between being dying and being dead. (His other joke was that Yiddish literature would not be dead so long as there were grad students in need of thesis topics).

    Likewise, there is a big difference between living in a MOSTLY white neighborhood and living in a COMPLETELY white neighborhood. According to your link, the average white now lives in a 71% white neighborhood. If the other 29% are black, this is more than enough diversitay to make your life unbearable. To REALLY get away from blacks (while at the same time living in a large metropolitan area where most high paying jobs are), you have to live in a "superzip" where the real estate prices are simply too high for all but the most well educated blacks (and maybe a few NBA players) to live. By definition, to live in a superzip you have to have a top 5% income, so this excludes most people including most whites.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

  132. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Even people who live in white suburbs may have occassion to interact with blacks for various reasons – they have a business that requires this, they teach classes with black students or in a black area, they visit the nearby city for entertainment venues or medical appointments, they have black housekeepers, etc., etc. When the nearest city is half black, even if you live in a lilly white suburb it’s impossible to completely avoid blacks.
     
    The problem is that the people who are best able to sequester themselves from underclass blacks make a sport of humiliating those who are least able to sequester themselves from underclass blacks, and often actively engage in politics to make the latter's lives more miserable.

    We probably underrate how much the appetite for "diversity" among the well-heeled is employed to supply them with well behaved blacks carefully screened by education and employment as a means to provide plausible deniability.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Some of them are genuinely ignorant, and find out the hard way, like the Marxist Temple U grad who was recently murdered in a typically underclass black, utterly remorseless way.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Paperback Writer

    People like him getting to taste their own medicine is a silver lining of clown world

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Paperback Writer


    Some of them are genuinely ignorant, and find out the hard way, like the Marxist Temple U grad who was recently murdered in a typically underclass black, utterly remorseless way.
     
    Temple University used to be a commuter school for Jews who couldn't get into Penn, children of white blue collar types, and above average blacks. None of these groups had much in the way of pretensions about where the school was, and who lived very near to it, and what they had to do to get from the regional rail station to class and back.

    Sometime during the college bubble, Temple and other schools like it began building sprees including the building of dormitories in order to get their hands on more government subsidized loans, grants, tuition, fees and aid. But as the students get older they want to move out of dormitories and away from the prying eyes of University administration. But lots of the new kind of Temple student aren't prepared for what that means, and this is perhaps an example of it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

  133. @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    Have you ever heard of block busting? Blacks moving into your neighborhood means a crash in real estate values so once the 1st black moves in, everyone rushes out and sells at fire sale prices before prices crash even further. Wynnefield went from being a mostly Jewish suburb within the city lines (nice single family homes on good sized lots) to a ghetto overnight. Someone had just finished building a brand new high rise apartment bldg (not a project - middle income market rate housing for people who were aging out of their big houses but wanted to stay in the neighborhood) and the paint was barely dry when the neighborhood done change. They must have really taken a bath on that investment. Not only did people have to sell their houses but the synagogues also had to be sold to black churches for a song and of course all of the neighborhood shops (kosher butchers and bakeries and delis, etc.) had to close. Where are the reparations for that?

    This happened less in Italian neighborhoods (S. Philly is Italian to this day). When the 1st black family moved onto a block, that house would often suffer an unfortunate fire.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Ben tillman, @mc23

    Based terrone

  134. @Paperback Writer
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Some of them are genuinely ignorant, and find out the hard way, like the Marxist Temple U grad who was recently murdered in a typically underclass black, utterly remorseless way.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    People like him getting to taste their own medicine is a silver lining of clown world

  135. @fnn
    Do you want you want to see someone who for sure would happily send you to a concentration camp?

    https://twitter.com/mikesacconetv/status/1468695255448961034





    Doesn't she sound like she's part Jewish?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D, @Old Prude, @Ben tillman

    She is fuckin’ nuts.

  136. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer


    The black lady sounds reasonable in objecting to the media tracking her to her family’s doorstep.
     
    She made it necessary, given her refusal to publicly discuss the following:

    Massachusetts AG probing road-rage allegations against DA Rachael Rollins

    https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/massachusetts-ag-probing-road-rage-allegations-against-da-rachael-rollins/
     


    Attorney general clears Rachael Rollins in alleged road rage incident

    Video footage was inconclusive, AG’s office says

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/11/metro/attorney-general-clears-suffolk-county-district-attorney-rachael-rollins-alleged-road-rage-incident/
     

    Back in January, the local Fox affiliate was at Rollins’ residence because Rollins, having been accused of road rage (having suffered lèse-majesté at the scene, aka “the rantings of a white woman”), and without wanting to publicly explain what happened …

    Boston Globe:


    Rollins has denied that she acted inappropriately and blamed Lawson for the [road rage] encounter, but her spokesman declined to discuss the incident in detail [emphasis added].
     
    … then suffered the further indignity of having reporters question her. :(

    I say good for the reporters for legitimately following up—she’s a public figure and their diligence further exposed her character. Her conduct is of major public interest, given her elevated position(s).

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    This instance of parking-lot rage makes me think that maybe, just maybe, the road-rage accusation was true.

  137. @Anon
    On this topic, have you seen the new paper that John Fuerst put out this month? It follows the paper you blogged about several months ago, using the same admixture regression approach to examine associations between racial ancestry and IQ. He splits the large overall sample to explore various non-ancestry explanations for the correlation, but finds that ancestry is what matters.

    These admixture regression scatter plots are very powerful graphics: maybe the most powerful HBD graphics I've seen.


    ...This paper applies stratified sub-sampling to explore the possibility that potential model mis-specification and/or variable mis-measurement underlies this empirical finding. The estimated coefficient on African ancestry is not significantly changed when the sample is stratified by low socioeconomic status/high socioeconomic status, Hispanic/non-Hispanic, Black-only/Black-White biracial, or Black/White racial group self-identification.
     
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356631519_Robustness_Analysis_of_African_Genetic_Ancestry_in_Admixture_Regression_Models_of_Cognitive_Test_Scores


    Gregory Connor summarizes it here: https://twitter.com/gregoryconnor11/status/1465680263573352455

    Replies: @Peter Johnson, @res

    Thanks. Everyone be sure to realize those are all partial residual plots, not the raw test scores.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_residual_plot

    I find the paper results for Asian ancestry bizarre. A number of the split sample regressions (Tables 1-6) show very different coefficients for South Asian and East Asian ancestry between the two samples. The Table 3 results look most dramatic in that regard.

    That is probably due to small sample issues, but some of those numbers think make me think there are some outliers which might have an outsize impact (in particular, I am guessing the highest scorers in the 25-50% white range are significantly Asian, see Figure 5 mentioned below).

    The eye color results are similarly, but less dramatically, interesting. Again, see table 3 and notice the eye color coefficients. Looks like there are some smart blue eyed Single-race Blacks in the sample.
    (not sure if it is obvious, but the full sample results in Table 1 apply to the other tables as well. I think it would have been kinder to the reader to include those results in all of the tables)

    Steve’s August write-up of the original paper is here.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/genetic-ancestry-and-general-cognitive-ability-in-a-sample-of-american-youths/

    I must have missed that when it came out somehow. The results are interesting and a bit odd IMHO. I’ll make a longer comment over there later, but for a start take a look at Figure 5 at the top and notice the lack of whites over 3 SD (contrast with the low tail extending down to -4). Also along those lines, notice the behavior of the spline fit at the ancestry extremes. The uptick at 0% European seems pretty easily explained by highly selected immigrants, but the downtick at 100% European is odd. Where are all of the smart whites in this sample? And why so many at the low extreme?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @res

    I would bet that the little ticks at the extremes are just statitistical artifacts and have no explanatory power. They are noticeable on the graph but I wouldn't read too much into them. What's most important is the upward slope of the line which shows the same 1 SD gap between blacks and whites that has been observed in every attempt to measure IQ since the dawn of IQ measurement. There are few hard constants in sociological data but this is as close as you are going to get to one.

  138. @Abe
    @Jack D


    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn’t strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5′ tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?
     
    Everything new is old. Just as globalization was already well under way by 1914, so too was the regular economic exploitation of “surplus” Chinese men, who as a rule are hard-working, uncomplaining, reliable, and- I’d throw into the bargain- affable. “Packets” of 50,000 or so coolies ready to ship-out halfway around the world to do back-breaking labor for minimum wages have been a dime a quintodeca-thousand for the last 200 years. Also, they tend to mind their own business and not rape the cuter local megafauna. Indeed the practice was so common it became one of the major issues of the 1906 British general election, when the Tories (in perfect GOPe/Chamber of Commerce-style douchebaggerry) were hammered for their plan to import thousands of Chinese to South Africa to undercut white working men-

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Ten_Years_of_Toryism.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Sam Malone, @Anonymous

    Thanks for showing that cool old political poster.

  139. @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    Most whites live among other whites - no cute names are necessary. And they socialize among other whites. This is no secret. I didn't say that the whites here or anywhere "completely avoid" blacks, just that conversations, esp. about social conditions, are rare. Talk about goalpost shifting.

    As if I needed to prove it but anyway:

    https://www.brookings.edu/research/even-as-metropolitan-areas-diversify-white-americans-still-live-in-mostly-white-neighborhoods/

    Replies: @Jack D

    I am old enough to have seen Isaac Bashevis Singer on several occassions. He was an entertaining speaker but basically he had a set of pat jokes (proven winners) that he would repeat in every speech. One of them was about being asked if Yiddish literature was dying. His answer is that there is a big difference between being dying and being dead. (His other joke was that Yiddish literature would not be dead so long as there were grad students in need of thesis topics).

    Likewise, there is a big difference between living in a MOSTLY white neighborhood and living in a COMPLETELY white neighborhood. According to your link, the average white now lives in a 71% white neighborhood. If the other 29% are black, this is more than enough diversitay to make your life unbearable. To REALLY get away from blacks (while at the same time living in a large metropolitan area where most high paying jobs are), you have to live in a “superzip” where the real estate prices are simply too high for all but the most well educated blacks (and maybe a few NBA players) to live. By definition, to live in a superzip you have to have a top 5% income, so this excludes most people including most whites.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Jack D


    to live in a superzip you have to have a top 5% income, so this excludes most people including most whites.
     
    The trick for younger blue collar or average folks to accomplish this is to rent small apartments or parts of houses in those areas--they can be difficult to find and of course are overpriced compared to what you get in terms of space or amenities--but it is well worth the effort.

    Then hopefully at some point you can buy the smallest cheapest house in the high end zip code--almost always a sound real estate investment.
  140. @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    Have you ever heard of block busting? Blacks moving into your neighborhood means a crash in real estate values so once the 1st black moves in, everyone rushes out and sells at fire sale prices before prices crash even further. Wynnefield went from being a mostly Jewish suburb within the city lines (nice single family homes on good sized lots) to a ghetto overnight. Someone had just finished building a brand new high rise apartment bldg (not a project - middle income market rate housing for people who were aging out of their big houses but wanted to stay in the neighborhood) and the paint was barely dry when the neighborhood done change. They must have really taken a bath on that investment. Not only did people have to sell their houses but the synagogues also had to be sold to black churches for a song and of course all of the neighborhood shops (kosher butchers and bakeries and delis, etc.) had to close. Where are the reparations for that?

    This happened less in Italian neighborhoods (S. Philly is Italian to this day). When the 1st black family moved onto a block, that house would often suffer an unfortunate fire.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Ben tillman, @mc23

    I found a dissertation by a guy named Markowitz that focused on the transformation of Wynnewood, which recounted a familiar pattern in the time frame when I would have guessed the change happened.

    But what happened later? Did it gentrify? I don’t remember seeing any blacks on my aunt’s street in Wynnewood when I was there in 1996.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Ben tillman

    I think you confusing are Wynnewood (on the Lower Merion side of the line) with Wynnefield (on the Philadelphia side. Wynnewood was where a lot of the Jews from Wynnefield fled and it remains heavily Jewish (increasingly Orthodox) and mostly white to this very day. It didn't need to be gentrified because it was never un-gentrified. If anyone ungentrified Wynnewood it was the Jews themselves - before it became a tightly packed suburban area with houses on 1/4 acre lots it was mostly WASPY country estates - they were ACTUAL gentry, not Jewish accountants and dentists.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  141. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @PhysicistDave

    That's a good question, Dave. Steve is looking at this issue from the black point of view. But where does wokeness really spring from? If you believe, as I do, that it's driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:

    ***God created all people in His image, they are all of equal worth in His sight, and all who believe in Him are citizens of His kingdom, taking up diverse roles that are equally important in glorifying Him.

    ***But we don’t believe in God. And we know that we can do a better job of restoring the fallen world than He ever could.

    ***We see diversity -- and inequality -- among the peoples of the world.

    ***We will do what it takes, by whatever means necessary, to force all peoples to be equal in our sight. By so doing, we will create our own utopia that is even more good and just than God’s kingdom.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Veteran Aryan, @S, @S

    But where does wokeness really spring from? If you believe, as I do, that it’s driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:

    ***God created all people in His image, they are all of equal worth in His sight, and all who believe in Him are citizens of His kingdom, taking up diverse roles that are equally important in glorifying Him.

    That’s almost exactly verbatim what John Campbell concluded* in his 1851 book Negromania.

    Negromania (1851) – pg 10

    ‘The idea that the negro race ever civilized Egypt, is now exploded [ie demolished] among learned men, but we have among us persons who spurn at history, who laugh at nature, who sneer at reason, and who say that “the negro is one of God’s creatures, and is therefore equal to the white.”‘

    * What had prompted Campbell to write the mid-19th century book was the claim being made at the time by some Blacks and allied White so called ‘progressives’ that sub-Saharan Blacks were the original ancient Egyptians, and thus responsible for the world’s arts and sciences. Alas, the ‘We wuz Kangs!’ thing goes back a long ways.

    https://archive.org/details/negromaniabeinge00camp/page/10/mode/2up

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @S

    Nothing ever changes. If you read Jefferson (Notes on Virginia) you can see that he understand already what a huge mistake it was to bring in blacks but no one ever figured a way to get rid of them. There was a lot of thought made to sending them "back" to Liberia but it never really amounted to much numerically.

  142. @res
    @Anon

    Thanks. Everyone be sure to realize those are all partial residual plots, not the raw test scores.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_residual_plot

    I find the paper results for Asian ancestry bizarre. A number of the split sample regressions (Tables 1-6) show very different coefficients for South Asian and East Asian ancestry between the two samples. The Table 3 results look most dramatic in that regard.

    That is probably due to small sample issues, but some of those numbers think make me think there are some outliers which might have an outsize impact (in particular, I am guessing the highest scorers in the 25-50% white range are significantly Asian, see Figure 5 mentioned below).

    The eye color results are similarly, but less dramatically, interesting. Again, see table 3 and notice the eye color coefficients. Looks like there are some smart blue eyed Single-race Blacks in the sample.
    (not sure if it is obvious, but the full sample results in Table 1 apply to the other tables as well. I think it would have been kinder to the reader to include those results in all of the tables)

    Steve's August write-up of the original paper is here.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/genetic-ancestry-and-general-cognitive-ability-in-a-sample-of-american-youths/

    I must have missed that when it came out somehow. The results are interesting and a bit odd IMHO. I'll make a longer comment over there later, but for a start take a look at Figure 5 at the top and notice the lack of whites over 3 SD (contrast with the low tail extending down to -4). Also along those lines, notice the behavior of the spline fit at the ancestry extremes. The uptick at 0% European seems pretty easily explained by highly selected immigrants, but the downtick at 100% European is odd. Where are all of the smart whites in this sample? And why so many at the low extreme?

    Replies: @Jack D

    I would bet that the little ticks at the extremes are just statitistical artifacts and have no explanatory power. They are noticeable on the graph but I wouldn’t read too much into them. What’s most important is the upward slope of the line which shows the same 1 SD gap between blacks and whites that has been observed in every attempt to measure IQ since the dawn of IQ measurement. There are few hard constants in sociological data but this is as close as you are going to get to one.

  143. @notsaying
    @animalogic

    I don't mind farmers getting subsidies; due to the weather they take big risks on every crop they plant. We should not expect the farmers to feed us and take all that risk by themselves.

    There is a lot of unfairness in agriculture and related businesses that we should not put up with. For example:

    "For every dollar Americans spent on Thanksgiving meals last week, farmers and ranchers earned around 14.3 cents, according to the National Farmers Union.

    In 1952, the farmer’s share of every food dollar spent by consumers was 50%."

    This article explains more.

    https://www.farmprogress.com/business/holiday-meal-farmers-see-less-15-cents-dollar

    I went looking for more info because I had heard that the today's inflated food prices were not benefitting farmers.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    “For every dollar Americans spent on Thanksgiving meals last week, farmers and ranchers earned around 14.3 cents, according to the National Farmers Union.

    In 1952, the farmer’s share of every food dollar spent by consumers was 50%.”

    How much of that went to braceros, then and now?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not much. American farming is highly automated and capital intensive. There are a handful of crops (e.g. strawberries) that still rely mostly on stoop labor but they are working on picking robots for even those. The crops with huge acreage (corn, wheat, soybeans, etc.) are the ones that are the most automated.

    Hired farmworkers (of all nationalities) make up less than 1 percent of all U.S. wage and salary workers.

    https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor/

    There are a lot of immigrants in the food PROCESSING sector - poultry plants, etc. There is a large commercial bakery near where I live and the staff seems to be mostly W. African (Liberian) brought in from SW Philly. The Liberians heard that there was a shortage of Negroes in Philadelphia so they came over here to help fill that gap. As Rick says in Casablanca, they were misinformed.

  144. @Ben tillman
    @Jack D

    I found a dissertation by a guy named Markowitz that focused on the transformation of Wynnewood, which recounted a familiar pattern in the time frame when I would have guessed the change happened.

    But what happened later? Did it gentrify? I don’t remember seeing any blacks on my aunt’s street in Wynnewood when I was there in 1996.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I think you confusing are Wynnewood (on the Lower Merion side of the line) with Wynnefield (on the Philadelphia side. Wynnewood was where a lot of the Jews from Wynnefield fled and it remains heavily Jewish (increasingly Orthodox) and mostly white to this very day. It didn’t need to be gentrified because it was never un-gentrified. If anyone ungentrified Wynnewood it was the Jews themselves – before it became a tightly packed suburban area with houses on 1/4 acre lots it was mostly WASPY country estates – they were ACTUAL gentry, not Jewish accountants and dentists.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Jack D

    Thanks for the response. I always had a hard time keeping Wynnefield and Wynnewood straight, but I'm sure she lived on the Philadelphia side of Cityline.

  145. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @PhysicistDave

    That's a good question, Dave. Steve is looking at this issue from the black point of view. But where does wokeness really spring from? If you believe, as I do, that it's driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:

    ***God created all people in His image, they are all of equal worth in His sight, and all who believe in Him are citizens of His kingdom, taking up diverse roles that are equally important in glorifying Him.

    ***But we don’t believe in God. And we know that we can do a better job of restoring the fallen world than He ever could.

    ***We see diversity -- and inequality -- among the peoples of the world.

    ***We will do what it takes, by whatever means necessary, to force all peoples to be equal in our sight. By so doing, we will create our own utopia that is even more good and just than God’s kingdom.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Veteran Aryan, @S, @S

    it’s [progressive wokedom] driven by post-Christian white people

    As you say and seem to infer, not retaining much if any belief in God, but still retaining remnants of a New England puritanical fanaticism and zeal, along with a desire (if not yet having the ability) to hang those seen to not be conforming by the neck, until they are dead, dead, dead.

  146. @Paperback Writer
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Some of them are genuinely ignorant, and find out the hard way, like the Marxist Temple U grad who was recently murdered in a typically underclass black, utterly remorseless way.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Some of them are genuinely ignorant, and find out the hard way, like the Marxist Temple U grad who was recently murdered in a typically underclass black, utterly remorseless way.

    Temple University used to be a commuter school for Jews who couldn’t get into Penn, children of white blue collar types, and above average blacks. None of these groups had much in the way of pretensions about where the school was, and who lived very near to it, and what they had to do to get from the regional rail station to class and back.

    Sometime during the college bubble, Temple and other schools like it began building sprees including the building of dormitories in order to get their hands on more government subsidized loans, grants, tuition, fees and aid. But as the students get older they want to move out of dormitories and away from the prying eyes of University administration. But lots of the new kind of Temple student aren’t prepared for what that means, and this is perhaps an example of it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    Temple University used to be a commuter school for Jews who couldn’t get into Penn, children of white blue collar types, and above average blacks.
     
    It used to be a Baptist school. Classes were first held only at night, hence the Owl mascot. (What's Rice's excuse?)

    Since 1965, it's been "state-related", a grey area between public and private. Penn State, Pittsburgh, and Lincoln U. share this status.

    How this plays out in the real world will have to be explained by someone from the Commonwealth.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @MEH 0910

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    But lots of the new kind of Temple student aren’t prepared for what that means, and this is perhaps an example of it.
     
    If you have the stomach. But be forewarned, there's a photo of the killer. A remorseless thug.

    https://theothermccain.com/2021/12/02/killadelphia-d-a-turned-loose-teen-carjacker-who-murdered-marxist-student/
  147. @Reg Cæsar
    @notsaying


    “For every dollar Americans spent on Thanksgiving meals last week, farmers and ranchers earned around 14.3 cents, according to the National Farmers Union.

    In 1952, the farmer’s share of every food dollar spent by consumers was 50%.”
     
    How much of that went to braceros, then and now?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Not much. American farming is highly automated and capital intensive. There are a handful of crops (e.g. strawberries) that still rely mostly on stoop labor but they are working on picking robots for even those. The crops with huge acreage (corn, wheat, soybeans, etc.) are the ones that are the most automated.

    Hired farmworkers (of all nationalities) make up less than 1 percent of all U.S. wage and salary workers.

    https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor/

    There are a lot of immigrants in the food PROCESSING sector – poultry plants, etc. There is a large commercial bakery near where I live and the staff seems to be mostly W. African (Liberian) brought in from SW Philly. The Liberians heard that there was a shortage of Negroes in Philadelphia so they came over here to help fill that gap. As Rick says in Casablanca, they were misinformed.

  148. @George
    @Jack D

    "railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5′ tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves OR WHITE GUYS?" They didn't have welfare back then so the the newly freed Blacks were doing some other type of paying work.

    Newly freed slave John Henry:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore)

    Replies: @Barnard, @S

    Due to 150 years of chattel slavery and its trade, large and powerful segments of the American elites in both the North and South had grown accustomed to importing and utilizing alien labor at their own people’s very great expense, and doing anything but anything than pay the prevailing real time local rates for labor to their own.

    Old bad habits die hard, if at all, and despite the mid 19th century protests of the ‘nativists’ and ‘Know Nothings’ the same slaving template continued on with wage slavery, ie so called ‘cheap labor’ acquired via mass immigration, as it does to this very day.

    When it was found that destitute Chinese survivors of the Opium War were prepared to often work at only about a third of the prevailing local California rates for the labor, the choice for their amoral employers was an easy one. Presumably in the case of Blacks, as had been found out in the Carribean after their emancipation, in general simply didn’t want to do that type of back breaking work anymore, irregardless of what they might be paid.

    Circa 1860 or so, the Dutchman Cornelius Koopmanschap, along with his Hong Kong based business partner, the half (or possibly wholly) Jewish, Maurice Bosman, provided Chinese wage slaves for the prominent California resident Stanford and his railway projects, as ‘labor contractors’. Bosman handled the Asian coolie/wage slave (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) procurement portion of the business, while Koopmanschap based in California took care of their North American distribution.

    Koopmanschap literally translates as ‘business’ or ‘commerce’ in the Dutch language. Speaking of which, wasn’t it a Dutch flagged ship that first introduced the ‘Angolans’ in 1619 to Jamestown on the opposite North American Atlantic coast?

    Interesting how history seems to rhyme at times, if not repeat.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.html

    http://clement-jones.com/ps02/ps02_340.html

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @S

    The Dutch imported Han Chinese to work on the island of Formosa. Today this is known as "Taiwan", an "integral province" of China. Yeah, like Celebes, Ceylon, Suriname, Recife, and Curaçao.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Dutch_and_Spanish_Taiwan_nl.svg/500px-Dutch_and_Spanish_Taiwan_nl.svg.png


    Never mind CCP vs KMT. The Hague should be deciding which part goes to the Netherlands, and which goes to Spain. Perhaps we could offer the latter Puerto Rico as an incentive.

    , @Jack D
    @S

    Bosman's part Chinese descendants such as Stanley Ho and Robert Ho Tung became some of the richest men in Hong Kong down to (almost) the present day, meaning billionaires.

    , @Alden
    @S

    Yes it was a Dutch ship that landed Angolans in America

    , @Rob McX
    @S

    The only thing more expensive than cheap labour is free labour.

  149. @Intelligent Dasein
    Everybody seeks to gain, and the ego strives to inflate itself at the expense of the real. This tendency is deeply embedded in human nature and we are all affected by it. You can't expect Wokeness to go away in a society which---as ours has been for as long as anyone can remember---is premised on the idea of getting something for nothing. Wokeness is the other side's version of the ever-rising NASDAQ and the subprime mortgage racket. Those aren't real, either.

    If our society were premised on firm accounting principles, then we wouldn't have Wokeness but we also wouldn't have all the SWPL stuff people seem to aspire to. There is a reason why wealthy, urban, white liberals are the chieftains of the woke. They all share the same inner spirit and drive.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    There’s a saying, I think, about the sickness of the body being a reflection of sickness of the soul, and I think that fits here.

  150. @PhysicistDave
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Last Real Calvinist wrote to me:


    If you believe, as I do, that it’s driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:
    ....
    ***But we don’t believe in God. And we know that we can do a better job of restoring the fallen world than He ever could.
     
    Well... I don't believe in God, I am pretty sure I am smarter than most people, and I have some rather clear ideas as to how my fellow citizens can have better lives -- stay away from alcohol and pot, for example.

    And yet somehow I have just never had the inclination to force my fellow citizens to live their lives my way by using the power of the state. Much less am I inclined to loot and burn (big celebratory Christmas trees seem to be the latest arson target, for some reason!).

    There is something wrong with these people beyond theological incorrectness. For some reason, they are not content to simply live their own lives but are intent on trying to live (or destroy) others' lives.

    My own current pet theory is that they suffer from a deep anxiety due to their own inability to deal with physical reality.

    The Woke Left at all levels, from the intellectuals down to the street thugs, are overwhelmingly composed of people who cannot rebuild a car engine, design an integrated circuit, engage in high-rise construction, or do anything that involves successfully dealing with external physical reality beyond what a random sixteen-year-old can do (i.e., the Woke Left can indeed fill their gas tank and open a bottle of wine but not much else).

    No one can do everything, but the people in the Woke Left seem incapable of doing anything productive at all.

    Unless we were to count the fact that many of them are pretty good at manipulating words in order to control their fellow human beings.

    They are failures at dealing with reality, buffoons who only survive because they manipulate decent people into taking them seriously.

    Rather than spitting at them.

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Bumpkin, @advancedatheist, @advancedatheist

    Unless we were to count the fact that many of them are pretty good at manipulating words in order to control their fellow human beings.

    They are failures at dealing with reality, buffoons who only survive because they manipulate decent people into taking them seriously.

    Rather than spitting at them.

    It’s not just the Woke Left, consider Trump’s Covid Task force last year:

    during the Task Force meetings the troika refused to debate any scientific research challenging their mask mandates and lockdowns, according to Atlas. “Unlike scientists with whom I had worked for decades,” he writes, “I never saw them voice any critical assessment, methodological or otherwise, of the pitfalls of any published studies.” Atlas says that they never brought scientific papers to the meetings and declined to respond to his presentations about the research.

    “For what I anticipated would be a data-filled discussion about opening schools and the risk to children,” Atlas says, “I brought approximately fifteen different studies and a summary sheet of the research. For what I hoped would be a discussion about testing guidance, I brought and distributed articles and other documents about the role and pitfalls of PCR testing and concerns about cycle thresholds. Even though I handed out a number of these published studies to everyone at the table, no one ever mentioned them in the Situation Room. My guess was that no one in the Fauci-Redfield-Birx troika ever opened them.”

    Instead, the troika of bureaucrats obsessed over Birx’s charts showing how many Covid tests had been administered and what percentage were positive… “Their sole focus was stopping cases, even when their policies were already implemented and were failing to do so.”

    If this and even a fraction of the stuff about Fauci in RFK Jr’s book is true, he is the paradigmatic example of what you write about, a criminal nincompoop who declares himself “The Science.”

  151. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Paperback Writer


    Some of them are genuinely ignorant, and find out the hard way, like the Marxist Temple U grad who was recently murdered in a typically underclass black, utterly remorseless way.
     
    Temple University used to be a commuter school for Jews who couldn't get into Penn, children of white blue collar types, and above average blacks. None of these groups had much in the way of pretensions about where the school was, and who lived very near to it, and what they had to do to get from the regional rail station to class and back.

    Sometime during the college bubble, Temple and other schools like it began building sprees including the building of dormitories in order to get their hands on more government subsidized loans, grants, tuition, fees and aid. But as the students get older they want to move out of dormitories and away from the prying eyes of University administration. But lots of the new kind of Temple student aren't prepared for what that means, and this is perhaps an example of it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    Temple University used to be a commuter school for Jews who couldn’t get into Penn, children of white blue collar types, and above average blacks.

    It used to be a Baptist school. Classes were first held only at night, hence the Owl mascot. (What’s Rice’s excuse?)

    Since 1965, it’s been “state-related”, a grey area between public and private. Penn State, Pittsburgh, and Lincoln U. share this status.

    How this plays out in the real world will have to be explained by someone from the Commonwealth.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    This gentleman-scholar disagrees with you both.

    https://twitter.com/Phil_Roundtree/status/1466808862640676877?s=20

    Replies: @Jack D, @El Dato

    , @MEH 0910
    @Reg Cæsar


    (What’s Rice’s excuse?)
     
    https://www.rice.edu/rice-traditions

    Rice Academic Seal and Logo

    The academic seal of Rice University was designed in 1912 by Pierre de Chaignon la Rose of Cambridge, Massachusetts, who combined the main elements of the arms of 16 prominent families bearing the names “Rice” or “Houston.” Owls of Athena-symbolic of wisdom-were chosen for the charges. The Athenian owls on the Rice seal were patterned after a design found on a small, silver tetradrachmenon coin dating from the middle of the fifth century B.C. And because Rice University was dedicated by its founder to the advancement of “letters, science and art,” these words also were incorporated into the seal.

    [...]
    Rice Mascot: Owl

    When athletic activities began at the Rice Institute in 1912, the teams adopted as their mascot the owl from the Rice seal. Over the years, Rice’s various mascots have included students dressed in owl costumes, live Great Horned Owls, and large owl statues of fiberglass and of canvas, the latter being particularly famous in Rice lore (see below).
     

    Mascot Name: “Sammy”

    An early symbol of Rice’s athletic teams was large canvas owl, a tempting target for the institute’s rivals. In 1917, when students from Southwest Conference football rival Texas A&M kidnapped the owl, Rice students pooled their resources and hired a private detective to go to College Station to find the missing mascot. When the detective, having recovered the owl, sent a coded telegram to Houston that read “Sammy is fairly well and would like to see his parents at eleven o’clock,” the Rice mascot had a name.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_University
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c7/Rice_University_seal.svg/1200px-Rice_University_seal.svg.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owl_of_Athena

    In Greek mythology, a little owl (Athene noctua) traditionally represents or accompanies Athena, the virgin goddess of wisdom, or Minerva, her syncretic incarnation in Roman mythology.[2] Because of such association, the bird—often referred to as the "owl of Athena" or the "owl of Minerva"—has been used as a symbol of knowledge, wisdom, perspicacity and erudition throughout the Western world.[3][4]
     
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Tetradrachm_Athens_480-420BC_MBA_Lyon.jpg

    Silver tetradrachm coin at the Museum of Fine Arts of Lyon depicting the owl of Athena (circa 480–420 BC). The inscription "ΑΘΕ" is an abbreviation of ΑΘΗΝΑΙΩΝ, which may be translated as "of the Athenians". In daily use the Athenian drachmas were called glaukes (γλαῦκες, owls). This silver coin was first issued in 479 BC in Athens after the Persians were defeated by the Greeks.[1]
     
  152. @S
    @George

    Due to 150 years of chattel slavery and its trade, large and powerful segments of the American elites in both the North and South had grown accustomed to importing and utilizing alien labor at their own people's very great expense, and doing anything but anything than pay the prevailing real time local rates for labor to their own.

    Old bad habits die hard, if at all, and despite the mid 19th century protests of the 'nativists' and 'Know Nothings' the same slaving template continued on with wage slavery, ie so called 'cheap labor' acquired via mass immigration, as it does to this very day.

    When it was found that destitute Chinese survivors of the Opium War were prepared to often work at only about a third of the prevailing local California rates for the labor, the choice for their amoral employers was an easy one. Presumably in the case of Blacks, as had been found out in the Carribean after their emancipation, in general simply didn't want to do that type of back breaking work anymore, irregardless of what they might be paid.

    Circa 1860 or so, the Dutchman Cornelius Koopmanschap, along with his Hong Kong based business partner, the half (or possibly wholly) Jewish, Maurice Bosman, provided Chinese wage slaves for the prominent California resident Stanford and his railway projects, as 'labor contractors'. Bosman handled the Asian coolie/wage slave (ie so called 'cheap labor') procurement portion of the business, while Koopmanschap based in California took care of their North American distribution.

    Koopmanschap literally translates as 'business' or 'commerce' in the Dutch language. Speaking of which, wasn't it a Dutch flagged ship that first introduced the 'Angolans' in 1619 to Jamestown on the opposite North American Atlantic coast?

    Interesting how history seems to rhyme at times, if not repeat.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.html

    http://clement-jones.com/ps02/ps02_340.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Alden, @Rob McX

    The Dutch imported Han Chinese to work on the island of Formosa. Today this is known as “Taiwan”, an “integral province” of China. Yeah, like Celebes, Ceylon, Suriname, Recife, and Curaçao.

    Never mind CCP vs KMT. The Hague should be deciding which part goes to the Netherlands, and which goes to Spain. Perhaps we could offer the latter Puerto Rico as an incentive.

  153. @S
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    But where does wokeness really spring from? If you believe, as I do, that it’s driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:

    ***God created all people in His image, they are all of equal worth in His sight, and all who believe in Him are citizens of His kingdom, taking up diverse roles that are equally important in glorifying Him.
     

    That's almost exactly verbatim what John Campbell concluded* in his 1851 book Negromania.

    Negromania (1851) - pg 10

    'The idea that the negro race ever civilized Egypt, is now exploded [ie demolished] among learned men, but we have among us persons who spurn at history, who laugh at nature, who sneer at reason, and who say that "the negro is one of God's creatures, and is therefore equal to the white."'
     

    * What had prompted Campbell to write the mid-19th century book was the claim being made at the time by some Blacks and allied White so called 'progressives' that sub-Saharan Blacks were the original ancient Egyptians, and thus responsible for the world's arts and sciences. Alas, the 'We wuz Kangs!' thing goes back a long ways.

    https://archive.org/details/negromaniabeinge00camp/page/10/mode/2up

    Replies: @Jack D

    Nothing ever changes. If you read Jefferson (Notes on Virginia) you can see that he understand already what a huge mistake it was to bring in blacks but no one ever figured a way to get rid of them. There was a lot of thought made to sending them “back” to Liberia but it never really amounted to much numerically.

  154. @Jim
    @PhysicistDave

    Ghetto blacks average about 75 in IQ vs. the US black average of 85. The more intelligent blacks mostly escape the ghetto.

    According to Linda Gottfredson anyone with an IQ below 75 has almost no chance of permanent employment in the US economy.

    Modern societies have a big problem with a growing percentage of the population unable to make any significant contribution to economic production.

    This problem will get steadily worst.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    According to Linda Gottfredson anyone with an IQ below 75 has almost no chance of permanent employment in the US economy.

    This might well be the core of the matter – not cost-effective people in an economic world that is based on cost effectivity (labor wages aren’t but a measure for this social practise).
    What is the answer: Subsidized wages?
    How to make sure then, that the subsidies do not turn out to function as a modern day version of – corruption of the common man? – The social state (as the modern democratic state in general) rests upon suppositions that are foundational and at the same time ignored (or sugar-coated in the woke mentality). – This causes insufficiencies in the dabates – and within the lifeworld (Edmund Husserl) of many a citizen.

  155. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Paperback Writer


    Some of them are genuinely ignorant, and find out the hard way, like the Marxist Temple U grad who was recently murdered in a typically underclass black, utterly remorseless way.
     
    Temple University used to be a commuter school for Jews who couldn't get into Penn, children of white blue collar types, and above average blacks. None of these groups had much in the way of pretensions about where the school was, and who lived very near to it, and what they had to do to get from the regional rail station to class and back.

    Sometime during the college bubble, Temple and other schools like it began building sprees including the building of dormitories in order to get their hands on more government subsidized loans, grants, tuition, fees and aid. But as the students get older they want to move out of dormitories and away from the prying eyes of University administration. But lots of the new kind of Temple student aren't prepared for what that means, and this is perhaps an example of it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    But lots of the new kind of Temple student aren’t prepared for what that means, and this is perhaps an example of it.

    If you have the stomach. But be forewarned, there’s a photo of the killer. A remorseless thug.

    https://theothermccain.com/2021/12/02/killadelphia-d-a-turned-loose-teen-carjacker-who-murdered-marxist-student/

  156. @Reg Cæsar
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    Temple University used to be a commuter school for Jews who couldn’t get into Penn, children of white blue collar types, and above average blacks.
     
    It used to be a Baptist school. Classes were first held only at night, hence the Owl mascot. (What's Rice's excuse?)

    Since 1965, it's been "state-related", a grey area between public and private. Penn State, Pittsburgh, and Lincoln U. share this status.

    How this plays out in the real world will have to be explained by someone from the Commonwealth.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @MEH 0910

    This gentleman-scholar disagrees with you both.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Temple colonized a black community? This is exactly backwards. Temple was founded in 1884 in a white community (North Philadelphia) and the blacks took over the community much later.

    If anyone should complain about colonization, it is the 28,000 dead white people who were evicted from the former Monument Cemetery which Temple bought in 1956 and turned into a parking lot. Their gravestones were used as rip rap for the construction of the Betsy Ross Bridge and some can still be seen at low tide. Can you imagine if it was discovered today that Temple did the same to 28,000 black graves? You would never hear the end of it.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @El Dato
    @Paperback Writer

    What does black scholar mean with "a Black community that the school has colonized".

    Are schools now in the "colonization" business?

    When I hear colonization, I picture a bunch of hard-hitting Serbian removers with SUVs who solve problems in no time. One should look into those kind of solutions.

  157. @Buzz Mohawk
    @ScarletNumber

    Nonsense!

    What you need to do is make it available earlier for those with a talent for math. My wife was doing algebra in 6th grade. I have seen her textbooks. She saved them. The depth is impressive. They were also introducing elements of Euclidean geometry, instead of stupidly separating parts of math by year the way we do here.

    The earliest Algebra I was offered in my school was 8th grade. When I got to it, I found out it was easy, got an A on every test. I could have done it as early as my wife did in her country, but it was not available.

    The math curriculum in the US has been dumb for generations. What you need to do is track students according to their perfomance, their ability. Don't hold the talented ones back, or you will blunt the talent of your country.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @nebulafox

    I never even got a real algebra (I or II) course. Had to teach myself, along with a lot of my math education in general. That worked until it didn’t, with my below average maturity levels and erratic work habits: at university, I was constantly playing catch-up and spending precious time filling in holes as an undergrad. As my life comes together, I’m hoping to try again over the coming decades.

    I’m a bit of an extreme case, but hardly an outlier in terms of Americans who were “mathematically abused” as children. Is it any wonder that kids who have initial interest and the talent needed lose interest in math if they take four years how to learn basic operations? And this ain’t good. There’s a happy medium between “Demand your kid be Gauss” and “There’s no point to learning math because he’s only moderately intelligent.”

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @nebulafox

    Thank you for your openness. I wish you all the best in bringing it all together. Clearly you have the brains it takes.

    I write to you as someone who was that smartest guy in the class, hell, in the school, in affluent towns in different parts of the US full of professionals. An "A" student who got knocked out by mental illness (severe OCD) and went from the top of every school/class to a flunking dropout.

    Smart friends encouraged me to get a GED, take the SAT and get into a college, any college. I got into a better one than I expected (though not even close to my dreams.) I carefully chose an easy academic course, because I was behind, and because I still couldn't use my mind the way I had. (I still can't.) Simply getting a college degree was all that mattered, and my plan had to work, so I was very careful.

    I ended up eventually in the financial field, getting paid mostly for looking good in suits and being well-spoken. I probably made more money than I would have in my dream as some kind of scientist, at least a little.

    I think one psychological reason I married a mathematician was to fill a hole in myself.

    A hole in my head. LOL

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  158. @Veteran Aryan
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    ***We will do what it takes, by whatever means necessary, to force all peoples to be equal in our sight. By so doing, we will create our own utopia that is even more good and just than God’s kingdom.
     
    And, in the process, become God. Which is just a fitting recognition of how morally superior they believe themselves to be.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Paging Kirillov…

  159. @PhysicistDave
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Last Real Calvinist wrote to me:


    If you believe, as I do, that it’s driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:
    ....
    ***But we don’t believe in God. And we know that we can do a better job of restoring the fallen world than He ever could.
     
    Well... I don't believe in God, I am pretty sure I am smarter than most people, and I have some rather clear ideas as to how my fellow citizens can have better lives -- stay away from alcohol and pot, for example.

    And yet somehow I have just never had the inclination to force my fellow citizens to live their lives my way by using the power of the state. Much less am I inclined to loot and burn (big celebratory Christmas trees seem to be the latest arson target, for some reason!).

    There is something wrong with these people beyond theological incorrectness. For some reason, they are not content to simply live their own lives but are intent on trying to live (or destroy) others' lives.

    My own current pet theory is that they suffer from a deep anxiety due to their own inability to deal with physical reality.

    The Woke Left at all levels, from the intellectuals down to the street thugs, are overwhelmingly composed of people who cannot rebuild a car engine, design an integrated circuit, engage in high-rise construction, or do anything that involves successfully dealing with external physical reality beyond what a random sixteen-year-old can do (i.e., the Woke Left can indeed fill their gas tank and open a bottle of wine but not much else).

    No one can do everything, but the people in the Woke Left seem incapable of doing anything productive at all.

    Unless we were to count the fact that many of them are pretty good at manipulating words in order to control their fellow human beings.

    They are failures at dealing with reality, buffoons who only survive because they manipulate decent people into taking them seriously.

    Rather than spitting at them.

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Bumpkin, @advancedatheist, @advancedatheist

    I don’t believe in God, I am pretty sure I am smarter than most people, and I have some rather clear ideas as to how my fellow citizens can have better lives — stay away from alcohol and pot, for example.

    Same here. You don’t need a woo-woo belief about the supernatural to figure out how human flourishing works as an empirical reality in this world. The people who argue for the worldly, observable benefits of religious belief – better health, more pro-social behavior, more stable family lives and so forth – basically agree with the values of the thinkers in the humanist/materialist/atheist tradition, namely, regarding the characteristics of the good life.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  160. @PhysicistDave
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    The Last Real Calvinist wrote to me:


    If you believe, as I do, that it’s driven by post-Christian white people, then the logic looks like this:
    ....
    ***But we don’t believe in God. And we know that we can do a better job of restoring the fallen world than He ever could.
     
    Well... I don't believe in God, I am pretty sure I am smarter than most people, and I have some rather clear ideas as to how my fellow citizens can have better lives -- stay away from alcohol and pot, for example.

    And yet somehow I have just never had the inclination to force my fellow citizens to live their lives my way by using the power of the state. Much less am I inclined to loot and burn (big celebratory Christmas trees seem to be the latest arson target, for some reason!).

    There is something wrong with these people beyond theological incorrectness. For some reason, they are not content to simply live their own lives but are intent on trying to live (or destroy) others' lives.

    My own current pet theory is that they suffer from a deep anxiety due to their own inability to deal with physical reality.

    The Woke Left at all levels, from the intellectuals down to the street thugs, are overwhelmingly composed of people who cannot rebuild a car engine, design an integrated circuit, engage in high-rise construction, or do anything that involves successfully dealing with external physical reality beyond what a random sixteen-year-old can do (i.e., the Woke Left can indeed fill their gas tank and open a bottle of wine but not much else).

    No one can do everything, but the people in the Woke Left seem incapable of doing anything productive at all.

    Unless we were to count the fact that many of them are pretty good at manipulating words in order to control their fellow human beings.

    They are failures at dealing with reality, buffoons who only survive because they manipulate decent people into taking them seriously.

    Rather than spitting at them.

    Replies: @RonaldReagansLoveChildWithMadonna2, @Bumpkin, @advancedatheist, @advancedatheist

    The heroes in Ayn Rand’s novels, whom she calls the Men of the Mind in Atlas Shrugged, readily know how to operate machines and make and repair things with their hands. Which look like wish fulfillment to me on Rand’s part, because according to accounts by her friends, she struggled with competency when she had to make anything with her hands, apart from her ability to type.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @advancedatheist

    As the men of mind were dropping out of society in Atlas Shrugged, I recall one character sitting in a roadside diner thinking to himself, "Great Scott, this is the most magnificent hamburger sandwich I have ever eaten in my entire... heyyyyyy... that guy behind the counter is awfully distinguished-looking for a short order cook!"

    The Galt's Gulch gang were good at whatever they put their minds to.

  161. The basic logic of Wokeness…

    But blacks better make this claim only to gentile whites.
    Do it with Jews, and it’s ‘antisemitism’.

  162. @Rob
    @advancedatheist

    I wonder if theoretical physicists could improve their performance if they became a bit less theoretical. Like, how about they focus on doing theory that makes testable predictions with experiments that are cheaper and easier to set up than colliding two black holes at near lightspeed relative to the observer.

    There was a woman in theoretical physics who said that there were some predictions of several theories of quantum gravity that we are within an order of magnitude of setting up large enough masses. She did not give details in the piece I read, but she had a book. If they are within an order of magnitude, then there are probably clever tricks that could get them closer to practical experiments.

    PhysicistDave, do you know what the woman’s name was? I think it started with a J. She wrote a long critique of theoretical physics as practiced, maybe a book, but maybe just an op-ed in a physics journal.

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @PhysicistDave

    http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2020/01/how-to-test-quantum-gravity.html

    How To Test Quantum Gravity

    Einstein’s theory of gravity, General Relativity, is awesome. But strictly speaking it is wrong. We know that because it cannot handle the quantum behavior that particles have. To make quantum theory compatible with General Relativity, we need a theory of quantum gravity. We still don’t have one. In this video, I explain what possibilities we have to experimentally test quantum gravity.

    [MORE]

    I have a summary of the experiment with the graviational field of massive quantum systems here:

    http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2016/03/researchers-propose-experiment-to.html

    The paper is here:

    https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0264-9381/33/12/125031

    The paper about how to find evidence for quantum gravity in the cosmic microwave background is here:

    https://arxiv.org/abs/1510.04038

    I have an article here about tests of gravity with further references here:

    https://nautil.us/issue/45/power/what-quantum-gravity-needs-is-more-experiments

  163. @S
    @George

    Due to 150 years of chattel slavery and its trade, large and powerful segments of the American elites in both the North and South had grown accustomed to importing and utilizing alien labor at their own people's very great expense, and doing anything but anything than pay the prevailing real time local rates for labor to their own.

    Old bad habits die hard, if at all, and despite the mid 19th century protests of the 'nativists' and 'Know Nothings' the same slaving template continued on with wage slavery, ie so called 'cheap labor' acquired via mass immigration, as it does to this very day.

    When it was found that destitute Chinese survivors of the Opium War were prepared to often work at only about a third of the prevailing local California rates for the labor, the choice for their amoral employers was an easy one. Presumably in the case of Blacks, as had been found out in the Carribean after their emancipation, in general simply didn't want to do that type of back breaking work anymore, irregardless of what they might be paid.

    Circa 1860 or so, the Dutchman Cornelius Koopmanschap, along with his Hong Kong based business partner, the half (or possibly wholly) Jewish, Maurice Bosman, provided Chinese wage slaves for the prominent California resident Stanford and his railway projects, as 'labor contractors'. Bosman handled the Asian coolie/wage slave (ie so called 'cheap labor') procurement portion of the business, while Koopmanschap based in California took care of their North American distribution.

    Koopmanschap literally translates as 'business' or 'commerce' in the Dutch language. Speaking of which, wasn't it a Dutch flagged ship that first introduced the 'Angolans' in 1619 to Jamestown on the opposite North American Atlantic coast?

    Interesting how history seems to rhyme at times, if not repeat.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.html

    http://clement-jones.com/ps02/ps02_340.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Alden, @Rob McX

    Bosman’s part Chinese descendants such as Stanley Ho and Robert Ho Tung became some of the richest men in Hong Kong down to (almost) the present day, meaning billionaires.

  164. @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    This gentleman-scholar disagrees with you both.

    https://twitter.com/Phil_Roundtree/status/1466808862640676877?s=20

    Replies: @Jack D, @El Dato

    Temple colonized a black community? This is exactly backwards. Temple was founded in 1884 in a white community (North Philadelphia) and the blacks took over the community much later.

    If anyone should complain about colonization, it is the 28,000 dead white people who were evicted from the former Monument Cemetery which Temple bought in 1956 and turned into a parking lot. Their gravestones were used as rip rap for the construction of the Betsy Ross Bridge and some can still be seen at low tide. Can you imagine if it was discovered today that Temple did the same to 28,000 black graves? You would never hear the end of it.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    I figured the gentleman-scholar may have gotten a thing or two wrong.

  165. @Steve Sailer
    @fnn

    The black lady sounds reasonable in objecting to the media tracking her to her family's doorstep.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Russ

    The black lady sounds reasonable in objecting to the media tracking her to her family’s doorstep.

    An eminently fair point, in isolation. Of course, her political bedfellows don’t have Qualm One against terrorizing the family of a Tucker Carlson or the like. Protest vs thee, but not vs me!

    • Agree: JimDandy
  166. @Reg Cæsar
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    Temple University used to be a commuter school for Jews who couldn’t get into Penn, children of white blue collar types, and above average blacks.
     
    It used to be a Baptist school. Classes were first held only at night, hence the Owl mascot. (What's Rice's excuse?)

    Since 1965, it's been "state-related", a grey area between public and private. Penn State, Pittsburgh, and Lincoln U. share this status.

    How this plays out in the real world will have to be explained by someone from the Commonwealth.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @MEH 0910

    (What’s Rice’s excuse?)

    https://www.rice.edu/rice-traditions

    Rice Academic Seal and Logo

    The academic seal of Rice University was designed in 1912 by Pierre de Chaignon la Rose of Cambridge, Massachusetts, who combined the main elements of the arms of 16 prominent families bearing the names “Rice” or “Houston.” Owls of Athena-symbolic of wisdom-were chosen for the charges. The Athenian owls on the Rice seal were patterned after a design found on a small, silver tetradrachmenon coin dating from the middle of the fifth century B.C. And because Rice University was dedicated by its founder to the advancement of “letters, science and art,” these words also were incorporated into the seal.

    […]
    Rice Mascot: Owl

    When athletic activities began at the Rice Institute in 1912, the teams adopted as their mascot the owl from the Rice seal. Over the years, Rice’s various mascots have included students dressed in owl costumes, live Great Horned Owls, and large owl statues of fiberglass and of canvas, the latter being particularly famous in Rice lore (see below).

    [MORE]

    Mascot Name: “Sammy”

    An early symbol of Rice’s athletic teams was large canvas owl, a tempting target for the institute’s rivals. In 1917, when students from Southwest Conference football rival Texas A&M kidnapped the owl, Rice students pooled their resources and hired a private detective to go to College Station to find the missing mascot. When the detective, having recovered the owl, sent a coded telegram to Houston that read “Sammy is fairly well and would like to see his parents at eleven o’clock,” the Rice mascot had a name.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_University

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owl_of_Athena

    In Greek mythology, a little owl (Athene noctua) traditionally represents or accompanies Athena, the virgin goddess of wisdom, or Minerva, her syncretic incarnation in Roman mythology.[2] Because of such association, the bird—often referred to as the “owl of Athena” or the “owl of Minerva“—has been used as a symbol of knowledge, wisdom, perspicacity and erudition throughout the Western world.[3][4]

    Silver tetradrachm coin at the Museum of Fine Arts of Lyon depicting the owl of Athena (circa 480–420 BC). The inscription “ΑΘΕ” is an abbreviation of ΑΘΗΝΑΙΩΝ, which may be translated as “of the Athenians”. In daily use the Athenian drachmas were called glaukes (γλαῦκες, owls). This silver coin was first issued in 479 BC in Athens after the Persians were defeated by the Greeks.[1]

  167. @Whiskey
    Wrong wrong wrong Steve. Oh sure, the Woke want YT's money. But that is not the main driver.

    The main driver is HATE HATE HATE. It always has been and always will be.

    Blacks and mulattos just HATE HATE HATE Whites. Particularly White men. Its genetic. Innate. Cannot be reasoned with, bribed, or anything else. It just is. Anything and everything will in black people create Reginald Denny Day. Where some White person JUST BY EXISTING creates rage and thus violence dealt out upon said White person. Tessa Majors, heck Cannon Hinant. What sort of person shoots a five year old White boy in the head? Answer, a black man. That is who. It just is, and Whites know it. Latinos too, as they are the secondary target of blacks who also HATE HATE HATE them as well. As well as Asians who though are more upper class or aspire to be so pretend the dudes beating up elderly Asian grannies are White not black thugs as they are in reality.

    The secondary driver of the Woke is White women, who ... HATE HATE HATE beta White males. Just for existing. Its why BLM rallies feature White women, and blacks. White men generally do not hate themselves. But then White women view that since the black people are in the ascendancy, why not have their very own Barack Obama, a "half-blood prince" who can rule like a Tyrant. Scheming against other White women to be the #2 squeeze and mabye #1 of some Warlord/Rapper of five blocks of the CHAZ is what White women crave pretty much.

    Money matters a lot less than you think Steve. Bill Gates as the richest man in the world had to go to Epstein for "needs." Iggy Pop, Led Zeppelin, and Don Henley had no need to seek out an intermediary. Money only dates to 700 BC or so and the Kingdom of Lydia. Its new and most people care less about that than POWER and SEX. Both of which are far older. And inter-related. White women HATE HATE HATE beta males on a genetic level, craving the sort of uber-Alpha low IQ dominance found in George Floyd. Had the dude been like say Urkel, no BLM rallies filled with White women. Blacks just hate Whites for who and what we are, everything about us from our lack of rhythm in dancing, to tendency to abstract thinking, to desire to tinker with tools and machines, to love of nature enrages them on a genetic level.

    Which means there is no answer for this at all. None whatsoever, and a lot sooner than later the White Trees will all be cut down.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    You might want to consider switching to club soda. This shtick is getting a bit off the rails.

  168. @obwandiyag
    @PhysicistDave

    You are a troll liar.

    You have not read the New Testament. Or you would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that 90% of what Jesus said was Robin Hood--take from the rich and give to the poor, feed the poor, the rich will never get to heaven, blessed are the downtrodden, the moneyless, the indigent, and cursed are the rich.

    Not only that, but you seem to be very painfully stupid. You actually think the rich got that way by being "productive." My god, what a cheesehead. Nobody in their right mind believes that.

    Replies: @Hhsiii, @PhysicistDave

    obwandiyag wrote to me:

    You are a troll liar.

    You have not read the New Testament. Or you would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that 90% of what Jesus said was Robin Hood–take from the rich and give to the poor…

    From now on, every single time I see a post from you, I intend to link to this comment and point out that you are a pathological liar.

    I have read the entire NT. I have not yet made it through all of the OT.

    And if you think there is any verse in the NT in which Jesus says that we should “take from the rich” — as opposed to urging the rich to voluntarily give to the poor — by all means post the verse.

    I am willing to be proven wrong. Do it.

    But I have indeed read the NT from Mt. 1:1 to the end of Revelations.

    And from now on, every single time I see a post from you I intend to link to this as proof that you are a proven pathological liar.

    Every single time.

    You Leftists really do have a sickness of the soul, don’t you? Pathological liars all.

    By all means quote the NT verse that says we should “take” from the rich, rather than urging the rich to give voluntarily.

    I am willing to admit I might be wrong.

    But you are a pathological liar.

    Liar.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @PhysicistDave


    But you are a pathological liar.
     
    AFAIK, ob is black.

    Reality is a bit more fluid if you are black. What is *is* until something different is.
    , @nebulafox
    @PhysicistDave

    He's an abrasive little bitch, too.

  169. @Paperback Writer
    @PhysicistDave

    You're quite welcome. I look forward to your thoughts on his work.

    For the record, my question wasn't meant to imply that the guilty white liberals at MIT gave a completely unmerited Ph.D. to him because he was black. Of course, he's smarter than 99% of the rest of us. " Compared to the average, he's brilliant. But compared to other physicists, what do you make of him?

    My earlier comments asked, "Is he a competent journeyman or a genius/magician? I know several physicists, all late middle-aged to elderly Jewish men, who referred to themselves as "journeymen." No one made a big deal of them because obvious. That was the basis of my question.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Paperback Writer wrote to me:

    For the record, my question wasn’t meant to imply that the guilty white liberals at MIT gave a completely unmerited Ph.D. to him because he was black. Of course, he’s smarter than 99% of the rest of us. ” Compared to the average, he’s brilliant. But compared to other physicists, what do you make of him?

    My earlier comments asked, “Is he a competent journeyman or a genius/magician?

    Well… that was what I was trying to address by saying he was not a Feynman or a Hawking.

    I’d like to think I myself am a “competent journeyman” as a physicist. To give one example, I was able to derive on my own the correct formula for what is known as the “Thomas precession.” That may not sound like much, except that after I derived it, I found out that what is usually accepted in the physics literature in the West is wrong!

    So, how do I know I’m right? Well, aside from the fact that my derivation is quite straightforward, I agree with Thomas’ original answer. I also agree with the accepted formula known to Russians.

    How on earth could this have happened? As far as I can tell, one single guy in the West messed it up back in the 1950s, people kept copying his mistake, and no one bothered to check back against Thomas’ original work.

    Pretty weird, huh?

    Anyway, after that little digression… yes, Gates seems to be a “competent journeyman.” It’s hard for me to judge if he is about at my own level or a little bit below or a little bit above. Glancing through his papers, I suspect most of our peers would rate him somewhat higher than me (but then much of my career has been in industry, not in academic physics).

    Could Gates plausibly be rated as a” genius/magician”? It’s subjective of course, but I really do not think so. I had never heard of him until recently — he is just not up there with, say, Ed Witten.

    Again, his work looks reputable, solid, and intriguing to me. My take is that he is a more-than-minimally competent physicist.

    Will he be remembered fifty years from now? Probably about as much as I will be– i.e., hopefully by our grandkids.,

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @PhysicistDave


    Again, his work looks reputable, solid, and intriguing to me.

     

    That's what I had supposed... and isn't it terrible that we have to regard a genuinely good physicist as a black physicist?

    Good work on that precession thing. Feynman would have bought you a cigar. I remember in a book of his letters he chided a student for not assuming he could "goof."

    Such a great story:

    https://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2020/feynmans-advice-to-wm-student-resonates-45-years-later.php

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  170. @Rob
    @advancedatheist

    I wonder if theoretical physicists could improve their performance if they became a bit less theoretical. Like, how about they focus on doing theory that makes testable predictions with experiments that are cheaper and easier to set up than colliding two black holes at near lightspeed relative to the observer.

    There was a woman in theoretical physics who said that there were some predictions of several theories of quantum gravity that we are within an order of magnitude of setting up large enough masses. She did not give details in the piece I read, but she had a book. If they are within an order of magnitude, then there are probably clever tricks that could get them closer to practical experiments.

    PhysicistDave, do you know what the woman’s name was? I think it started with a J. She wrote a long critique of theoretical physics as practiced, maybe a book, but maybe just an op-ed in a physics journal.

    Replies: @El Dato, @MEH 0910, @PhysicistDave

    Rob asked me:

    PhysicistDave, do you know what the woman’s name was? I think it started with a J. She wrote a long critique of theoretical physics as practiced, maybe a book, but maybe just an op-ed in a physics journal.

    Yeah, as MEH 0910 indicates, you’re talking about Sabine Hossenfelder, whom I do know personally (only via contacts over the Web).

    Sabine is very bright, albeit, in PW’s terms, a “competent journeyman”rather than a “genius/magician” (same for me and most physicists). I think Sabine is a bit over-optimistic about the possibilities for testing quantum gravity, and I think the same for her attempts to explain quantum mechanics via “super-determinism.”

    On the other hand… Sabine is certainly not a fool or a crack-pot.

    The main reason I am betting against her on both issues is that, after all, no one has yet succeeded on either count. So I may yet be proven wrong.

    For the record, had I been around back when Kamerlingh Onnes discovered superconductivity, I would have bet that he had made an experimental error. Of course, I would have been wrong. (But I was right about the supposed faster-than-light neutrinos.)

    • Thanks: Rob
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @PhysicistDave


    But I was right about the supposed faster-than-light neutrinos.
     
    Well, that was so surprisingly out there that another outcome had very low prior probability and we would have to revise the theory of probability afterwards.

    Sadly, it ended in canceling of the experimenters - basically they sinned against Woke Physics just be putting their results out there - but in effect they did nothing wrong.


    I think Sabine is a bit over-optimistic about the possibilities for testing quantum gravity, and I think the same for her attempts to explain quantum mechanics via “super-determinism.”

     

    We may never be able to do it completely right:

    The Near-Magical Mystery of Quasiparticles


    Quasiparticles arise out of arrangements of many particles. But what we term fundamental particles, such as quarks, photons and electrons, may not be as elementary as we think. Some physicists suspect that these apparently fundamental particles are emergent as well — though from what exactly, no one can say.

    “We don’t know the fundamental theory from which electrons, photons and so on actually emerge. We believe there is some unifying framework,” said Leon Balents, a theorist who researches quantum states of matter at the University of California, Santa Barbara. “The things we think of as fundamental particles probably aren’t fundamental; they’re quasiparticles of some other theory.”
     

    That would be a bummer because we have no tools to probe that theory at all.

    A strong hint that the above may be close to true is the fact that intuitions for Quantum Chromodynamics (what the vacuum _is_) came from solid-state physics, not the other way round.

  171. @S
    @George

    Due to 150 years of chattel slavery and its trade, large and powerful segments of the American elites in both the North and South had grown accustomed to importing and utilizing alien labor at their own people's very great expense, and doing anything but anything than pay the prevailing real time local rates for labor to their own.

    Old bad habits die hard, if at all, and despite the mid 19th century protests of the 'nativists' and 'Know Nothings' the same slaving template continued on with wage slavery, ie so called 'cheap labor' acquired via mass immigration, as it does to this very day.

    When it was found that destitute Chinese survivors of the Opium War were prepared to often work at only about a third of the prevailing local California rates for the labor, the choice for their amoral employers was an easy one. Presumably in the case of Blacks, as had been found out in the Carribean after their emancipation, in general simply didn't want to do that type of back breaking work anymore, irregardless of what they might be paid.

    Circa 1860 or so, the Dutchman Cornelius Koopmanschap, along with his Hong Kong based business partner, the half (or possibly wholly) Jewish, Maurice Bosman, provided Chinese wage slaves for the prominent California resident Stanford and his railway projects, as 'labor contractors'. Bosman handled the Asian coolie/wage slave (ie so called 'cheap labor') procurement portion of the business, while Koopmanschap based in California took care of their North American distribution.

    Koopmanschap literally translates as 'business' or 'commerce' in the Dutch language. Speaking of which, wasn't it a Dutch flagged ship that first introduced the 'Angolans' in 1619 to Jamestown on the opposite North American Atlantic coast?

    Interesting how history seems to rhyme at times, if not repeat.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.html

    http://clement-jones.com/ps02/ps02_340.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Alden, @Rob McX

    Yes it was a Dutch ship that landed Angolans in America

  172. @advancedatheist
    @PhysicistDave

    The heroes in Ayn Rand's novels, whom she calls the Men of the Mind in Atlas Shrugged, readily know how to operate machines and make and repair things with their hands. Which look like wish fulfillment to me on Rand's part, because according to accounts by her friends, she struggled with competency when she had to make anything with her hands, apart from her ability to type.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    As the men of mind were dropping out of society in Atlas Shrugged, I recall one character sitting in a roadside diner thinking to himself, “Great Scott, this is the most magnificent hamburger sandwich I have ever eaten in my entire… heyyyyyy… that guy behind the counter is awfully distinguished-looking for a short order cook!”

    The Galt’s Gulch gang were good at whatever they put their minds to.

  173. Which is the logic of Envy. Hell of a drug.

    Which is the logic of democracy. Which is the logic of egalitarianism. If you recall, the French had some things to say about that hundreds of years ago…

    Woke is asleep. They’re all Van Winkles that have been sleeping for 10,000 years, just woke up, and are shocked and outraged we’re not following their paleolithic norms.

  174. @Paperback Writer
    @Reg Cæsar

    This gentleman-scholar disagrees with you both.

    https://twitter.com/Phil_Roundtree/status/1466808862640676877?s=20

    Replies: @Jack D, @El Dato

    What does black scholar mean with “a Black community that the school has colonized”.

    Are schools now in the “colonization” business?

    When I hear colonization, I picture a bunch of hard-hitting Serbian removers with SUVs who solve problems in no time. One should look into those kind of solutions.

  175. @PhysicistDave
    @Rob

    Rob asked me:


    PhysicistDave, do you know what the woman’s name was? I think it started with a J. She wrote a long critique of theoretical physics as practiced, maybe a book, but maybe just an op-ed in a physics journal.
     
    Yeah, as MEH 0910 indicates, you're talking about Sabine Hossenfelder, whom I do know personally (only via contacts over the Web).

    Sabine is very bright, albeit, in PW's terms, a "competent journeyman"rather than a "genius/magician" (same for me and most physicists). I think Sabine is a bit over-optimistic about the possibilities for testing quantum gravity, and I think the same for her attempts to explain quantum mechanics via "super-determinism."

    On the other hand... Sabine is certainly not a fool or a crack-pot.

    The main reason I am betting against her on both issues is that, after all, no one has yet succeeded on either count. So I may yet be proven wrong.

    For the record, had I been around back when Kamerlingh Onnes discovered superconductivity, I would have bet that he had made an experimental error. Of course, I would have been wrong. (But I was right about the supposed faster-than-light neutrinos.)

    Replies: @El Dato

    But I was right about the supposed faster-than-light neutrinos.

    Well, that was so surprisingly out there that another outcome had very low prior probability and we would have to revise the theory of probability afterwards.

    Sadly, it ended in canceling of the experimenters – basically they sinned against Woke Physics just be putting their results out there – but in effect they did nothing wrong.

    I think Sabine is a bit over-optimistic about the possibilities for testing quantum gravity, and I think the same for her attempts to explain quantum mechanics via “super-determinism.”

    We may never be able to do it completely right:

    The Near-Magical Mystery of Quasiparticles

    Quasiparticles arise out of arrangements of many particles. But what we term fundamental particles, such as quarks, photons and electrons, may not be as elementary as we think. Some physicists suspect that these apparently fundamental particles are emergent as well — though from what exactly, no one can say.

    “We don’t know the fundamental theory from which electrons, photons and so on actually emerge. We believe there is some unifying framework,” said Leon Balents, a theorist who researches quantum states of matter at the University of California, Santa Barbara. “The things we think of as fundamental particles probably aren’t fundamental; they’re quasiparticles of some other theory.”

    That would be a bummer because we have no tools to probe that theory at all.

    A strong hint that the above may be close to true is the fact that intuitions for Quantum Chromodynamics (what the vacuum _is_) came from solid-state physics, not the other way round.

  176. @PhysicistDave
    @obwandiyag

    obwandiyag wrote to me:


    You are a troll liar.

    You have not read the New Testament. Or you would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that 90% of what Jesus said was Robin Hood–take from the rich and give to the poor...
     
    From now on, every single time I see a post from you, I intend to link to this comment and point out that you are a pathological liar.

    I have read the entire NT. I have not yet made it through all of the OT.

    And if you think there is any verse in the NT in which Jesus says that we should "take from the rich" -- as opposed to urging the rich to voluntarily give to the poor -- by all means post the verse.

    I am willing to be proven wrong. Do it.

    But I have indeed read the NT from Mt. 1:1 to the end of Revelations.

    And from now on, every single time I see a post from you I intend to link to this as proof that you are a proven pathological liar.

    Every single time.


    You Leftists really do have a sickness of the soul, don't you? Pathological liars all.

    By all means quote the NT verse that says we should "take" from the rich, rather than urging the rich to give voluntarily.

    I am willing to admit I might be wrong.

    But you are a pathological liar.

    Liar.

    Replies: @El Dato, @nebulafox

    But you are a pathological liar.

    AFAIK, ob is black.

    Reality is a bit more fluid if you are black. What is *is* until something different is.

    • Agree: Tony massey
  177. @advancedatheist
    @Paperback Writer

    Theoretical physicists themselves complain about the lack of progress in their field since the 1970's, when Gates got his Ph.D. Theoretical physics has basically basically into a grift which runs off the fumes from it successes in the early and middle 20th Century.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Bardon Kaldian, @Rob, @PhysicistDave

    advancedatheist wrote:

    Theoretical physicists themselves complain about the lack of progress in their field since the 1970’s, when Gates got his Ph.D. Theoretical physics has basically basically into a grift which runs off the fumes from it successes in the early and middle 20th Century.

    Well… you are being a bit unfair to us physicists, you know!

    The fundamental problem is that between 1930 and 1975 we created a structure in quantum field theory, the so-called “Standard Model,” that works so well that there is no well-confirmed experimental result at all that is inconsistent with that model.

    We are victims of our own success.

    Without some hint from experiments that disagree with the Standard Model… well, it is just not clear how to move forward.

    If you have any concrete suggestions, let me know.

    That being said, if you note my reply above to Rob in which I note the bizarre situation with regard to the “Thomas precession,” yeah, something has gone wrong besides just stasis.

    One thing I did not mention to Rob is that if the formula for the Thomas precession accepted in the West (though not in Russia and not by Thomas himself) were correct, then it would be mathematically impossible to have the sort of massless neutrinos that we thought existed back when I got my PhD.

    Nowadays, we now know that neutrinos do have mass. But if massless neutrinos had always been a mathematical impossibility… well, you would think this fact would have been noticed by someone!

    Part of what happened is that experimental discoveries and theoretical advances happened so fast in the quarter century between 1950 and 1975 (I remember the tail end of that time period) that everyone was just frantic to stay on the cutting edge.

    That ethos has been passed on to the younger generations who now dominate academic physics: rather than trying to fully absorb and understand the physics created between 1930 and 1975, they have been imbued with the idea that they must focus on making some brilliant new discovery. With no guidance from new experimental discoveries.

    And so they indeed do come up with lots and lots of new stuff, mostly nonsense.

    So, yes, theoretical fundamental physics today is indeed a dumpster fire. But it is partly a victim of our own past successes, partly a lack of new experimental data that conflicts with the Standard Model, and partly recent generations of physicists being focused on being the next Einstein instead of just trying to understand (and, when necessary, correct) the discoveries of the last century.

    Yes, fundamental physics is in bad shape. But I hope you will accept this comment as a friendly expansion of your own comment.

    • Agree: nebulafox
    • Thanks: El Dato, Tony massey
  178. @PhysicistDave
    @obwandiyag

    obwandiyag wrote to me:


    You are a troll liar.

    You have not read the New Testament. Or you would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that 90% of what Jesus said was Robin Hood–take from the rich and give to the poor...
     
    From now on, every single time I see a post from you, I intend to link to this comment and point out that you are a pathological liar.

    I have read the entire NT. I have not yet made it through all of the OT.

    And if you think there is any verse in the NT in which Jesus says that we should "take from the rich" -- as opposed to urging the rich to voluntarily give to the poor -- by all means post the verse.

    I am willing to be proven wrong. Do it.

    But I have indeed read the NT from Mt. 1:1 to the end of Revelations.

    And from now on, every single time I see a post from you I intend to link to this as proof that you are a proven pathological liar.

    Every single time.


    You Leftists really do have a sickness of the soul, don't you? Pathological liars all.

    By all means quote the NT verse that says we should "take" from the rich, rather than urging the rich to give voluntarily.

    I am willing to admit I might be wrong.

    But you are a pathological liar.

    Liar.

    Replies: @El Dato, @nebulafox

    He’s an abrasive little bitch, too.

  179. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    Temple colonized a black community? This is exactly backwards. Temple was founded in 1884 in a white community (North Philadelphia) and the blacks took over the community much later.

    If anyone should complain about colonization, it is the 28,000 dead white people who were evicted from the former Monument Cemetery which Temple bought in 1956 and turned into a parking lot. Their gravestones were used as rip rap for the construction of the Betsy Ross Bridge and some can still be seen at low tide. Can you imagine if it was discovered today that Temple did the same to 28,000 black graves? You would never hear the end of it.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I figured the gentleman-scholar may have gotten a thing or two wrong.

  180. @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I never even got a real algebra (I or II) course. Had to teach myself, along with a lot of my math education in general. That worked until it didn't, with my below average maturity levels and erratic work habits: at university, I was constantly playing catch-up and spending precious time filling in holes as an undergrad. As my life comes together, I'm hoping to try again over the coming decades.

    I'm a bit of an extreme case, but hardly an outlier in terms of Americans who were "mathematically abused" as children. Is it any wonder that kids who have initial interest and the talent needed lose interest in math if they take four years how to learn basic operations? And this ain't good. There's a happy medium between "Demand your kid be Gauss" and "There's no point to learning math because he's only moderately intelligent."

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Thank you for your openness. I wish you all the best in bringing it all together. Clearly you have the brains it takes.

    [MORE]

    I write to you as someone who was that smartest guy in the class, hell, in the school, in affluent towns in different parts of the US full of professionals. An “A” student who got knocked out by mental illness (severe OCD) and went from the top of every school/class to a flunking dropout.

    Smart friends encouraged me to get a GED, take the SAT and get into a college, any college. I got into a better one than I expected (though not even close to my dreams.) I carefully chose an easy academic course, because I was behind, and because I still couldn’t use my mind the way I had. (I still can’t.) Simply getting a college degree was all that mattered, and my plan had to work, so I was very careful.

    I ended up eventually in the financial field, getting paid mostly for looking good in suits and being well-spoken. I probably made more money than I would have in my dream as some kind of scientist, at least a little.

    I think one psychological reason I married a mathematician was to fill a hole in myself.

    A hole in my head. LOL

    • Thanks: nebulafox
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Buzz Mohawk

    This is directed to nebulafox, as well.

    When I was going to school in the mid-60s in NYC, my classes were full of bright, nerdy, Jewish and Italian boys. (The smartest kid in my high school was Italian. It happens.) They took to math like ducks to water.

    The rest of us floundered, more or less. We had the temerity to ask, "Why do we have to learn this?" and our teachers would snarl, "You need to learn this because we tell you to."

    Myself, I loved history and languages. I was an infoholic, and languages came to me like math to the nerds, but they weren't stressed where I went to school.

    Long story short: math abuse is real. You've read my stuff here long enough to know that I'm not claiming that we're going to uncover hidden Einsteins among underclass blacks.

    But if we revamp our math curriculum to relate it to real life, we can end up with a much more numerate society. I feel that if I'd been taught better, I would have gone thru Calc 101 and 102 and perhaps gone into a different field. But what's done is done.

    End of rant.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @nebulafox

  181. @ScarletNumber
    @Jack D


    pushes Algebra 1 back to 9th grade and deemphasizes calculus, while applying social justice concepts to math
     
    While I don't agree with the social-justice aspects of this, I agree with the overall shift in emphasis. No one will be hurt by waiting until high school to take Algebra I. Most children are not mentally mature enough to truly internalize the concepts, even if they can perform it mechanically.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Jack D, @Rob, @Bumpkin

    Ignore them. Right behind the internet tough guys are the internet math jocks, demanding that everybody learn the outdated math curricula or the supposedly math-proficient Asians of the Day- used to be the Japanese, now the Chinese- will totally tase us with their hypersonic weapons, bro! Meanwhile, none of them would know a Hilbert space from a Dilbert cartoon.

    The truth is that essentially all math going back to arithmetic is completely useless for kids to learn now that we have cheap computers everywhere to do that math for us. Rather, the emphasis should be on the abstract concepts, that numbers represent quantities and addition is a way to combine estimates of quantities building up through statistical concepts in high school (fun fact: I took all AP math including calculus in high school decades ago, but learned no statistics till I got to college, just wasn’t taught), but with all the actual computation done by software that models the concepts with nice visualizations and demonstrates their utility in real systems.

    Of course, everybody connected to education is a retard and none of this has been done yet, but it is inevitably the way it will go. A few dorks will learn how to build the software itself at some point in their education and become scientific programmers or scientists, but these outdated 20th century curricula obscure more than they elucidate in the 21st century.

    That is not to excuse these California dimbulbs, but it is always interesting how the barbarians can inadvertently get more right than the pedants.

    • Disagree: ic1000
    • Thanks: ScarletNumber
    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  182. @PhysicistDave
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback Writer wrote to me:


    For the record, my question wasn’t meant to imply that the guilty white liberals at MIT gave a completely unmerited Ph.D. to him because he was black. Of course, he’s smarter than 99% of the rest of us. ” Compared to the average, he’s brilliant. But compared to other physicists, what do you make of him?

    My earlier comments asked, “Is he a competent journeyman or a genius/magician?
     
    Well... that was what I was trying to address by saying he was not a Feynman or a Hawking.

    I'd like to think I myself am a "competent journeyman" as a physicist. To give one example, I was able to derive on my own the correct formula for what is known as the "Thomas precession." That may not sound like much, except that after I derived it, I found out that what is usually accepted in the physics literature in the West is wrong!

    So, how do I know I'm right? Well, aside from the fact that my derivation is quite straightforward, I agree with Thomas' original answer. I also agree with the accepted formula known to Russians.

    How on earth could this have happened? As far as I can tell, one single guy in the West messed it up back in the 1950s, people kept copying his mistake, and no one bothered to check back against Thomas' original work.

    Pretty weird, huh?

    Anyway, after that little digression... yes, Gates seems to be a "competent journeyman." It's hard for me to judge if he is about at my own level or a little bit below or a little bit above. Glancing through his papers, I suspect most of our peers would rate him somewhat higher than me (but then much of my career has been in industry, not in academic physics).

    Could Gates plausibly be rated as a" genius/magician"? It's subjective of course, but I really do not think so. I had never heard of him until recently -- he is just not up there with, say, Ed Witten.

    Again, his work looks reputable, solid, and intriguing to me. My take is that he is a more-than-minimally competent physicist.

    Will he be remembered fifty years from now? Probably about as much as I will be-- i.e., hopefully by our grandkids.,

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    Again, his work looks reputable, solid, and intriguing to me.

    That’s what I had supposed… and isn’t it terrible that we have to regard a genuinely good physicist as a black physicist?

    Good work on that precession thing. Feynman would have bought you a cigar. I remember in a book of his letters he chided a student for not assuming he could “goof.”

    Such a great story:

    https://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2020/feynmans-advice-to-wm-student-resonates-45-years-later.php

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback Writer wrote to me:


    That’s what I had supposed… and isn’t it terrible that we have to regard a genuinely good physicist as a black physicist?
     
    Yeah. Historically, physicists have usually been pretty good at judging other physicists' work independent of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, etc. That doesn't mean that they didn't often preferentially help out their co-ethnics or co-nationals, but they tended to be pretty clear-eyed about judging colleagues' work.

    I can think of a couple of living female physicists who I think are judged more highly than justified because of being female, but I think even now that is still rare.

    In case anyone wonders whether I am thinking of my acquaintance Sabine Hossenfelder, no, I am not. Sabine is a competent physicist: neither she nor anyone that I know of has tried to sell her as more than that. Her book Lost in Math, by the way, is informative and quite readable: it is largely a report on various famous physicists she interviewed -- she really captured the personalities of the two interviewees with whom I was personally well-acquainted, Joe Polchinski and Steve Weinberg. I'm not sure, however, that Lost in Math was the best title: perhaps something like "Twists, Turns, and Dead Ends in Current Physics" might better have captured what the book is about.

    PW also wrote:

    Good work on that precession thing. Feynman would have bought you a cigar. I remember in a book of his letters he chided a student for not assuming he could “goof.”
     
    As I have mentioned, I took two full years of classes from Feynman as an undergrad at Caltech.

    He did strongly emphasize to us that we would make mistakes simply because we were human. He said that the goal was to catch mistakes as soon as possible, correct them, and just move on.

    I did catch Feynman on one mistake myself: he did not know that the "event horizon" of a black hole does not actually form in any finite time. I had figured this out for myself, though I later found out that it was well-known to experts in general relativity.

    Needless to say, Feynman caught me on more than one mistake!

    By the way, I also took a year-long class from Kip Thorne, who is mentioned in the article you link to.

    Caltech was an interesting place -- very weird, but interesting.
  183. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    You really have no idea of people's situation. First of all, not everyone here is rich enough to be able to afford to live in a whitopia.

    Even people who live in white suburbs may have occassion to interact with blacks for various reasons - they have a business that requires this, they teach classes with black students or in a black area, they visit the nearby city for entertainment venues or medical appointments, they have black housekeepers, etc., etc. When the nearest city is half black, even if you live in a lilly white suburb it's impossible to completely avoid blacks.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Paperback Writer, @Justvisiting

    it’s impossible to completely avoid blacks.

    But–like all “impossible” things, hard work and creative solutions will be rewarded!

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  184. @Jack D
    @Paperback Writer

    I am old enough to have seen Isaac Bashevis Singer on several occassions. He was an entertaining speaker but basically he had a set of pat jokes (proven winners) that he would repeat in every speech. One of them was about being asked if Yiddish literature was dying. His answer is that there is a big difference between being dying and being dead. (His other joke was that Yiddish literature would not be dead so long as there were grad students in need of thesis topics).

    Likewise, there is a big difference between living in a MOSTLY white neighborhood and living in a COMPLETELY white neighborhood. According to your link, the average white now lives in a 71% white neighborhood. If the other 29% are black, this is more than enough diversitay to make your life unbearable. To REALLY get away from blacks (while at the same time living in a large metropolitan area where most high paying jobs are), you have to live in a "superzip" where the real estate prices are simply too high for all but the most well educated blacks (and maybe a few NBA players) to live. By definition, to live in a superzip you have to have a top 5% income, so this excludes most people including most whites.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    to live in a superzip you have to have a top 5% income, so this excludes most people including most whites.

    The trick for younger blue collar or average folks to accomplish this is to rent small apartments or parts of houses in those areas–they can be difficult to find and of course are overpriced compared to what you get in terms of space or amenities–but it is well worth the effort.

    Then hopefully at some point you can buy the smallest cheapest house in the high end zip code–almost always a sound real estate investment.

  185. @AnotherDad
    The world is big ... but sadly not big enough.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    It would be plenty big enough if races weren’t forced into contact with each other.

  186. @S
    @George

    Due to 150 years of chattel slavery and its trade, large and powerful segments of the American elites in both the North and South had grown accustomed to importing and utilizing alien labor at their own people's very great expense, and doing anything but anything than pay the prevailing real time local rates for labor to their own.

    Old bad habits die hard, if at all, and despite the mid 19th century protests of the 'nativists' and 'Know Nothings' the same slaving template continued on with wage slavery, ie so called 'cheap labor' acquired via mass immigration, as it does to this very day.

    When it was found that destitute Chinese survivors of the Opium War were prepared to often work at only about a third of the prevailing local California rates for the labor, the choice for their amoral employers was an easy one. Presumably in the case of Blacks, as had been found out in the Carribean after their emancipation, in general simply didn't want to do that type of back breaking work anymore, irregardless of what they might be paid.

    Circa 1860 or so, the Dutchman Cornelius Koopmanschap, along with his Hong Kong based business partner, the half (or possibly wholly) Jewish, Maurice Bosman, provided Chinese wage slaves for the prominent California resident Stanford and his railway projects, as 'labor contractors'. Bosman handled the Asian coolie/wage slave (ie so called 'cheap labor') procurement portion of the business, while Koopmanschap based in California took care of their North American distribution.

    Koopmanschap literally translates as 'business' or 'commerce' in the Dutch language. Speaking of which, wasn't it a Dutch flagged ship that first introduced the 'Angolans' in 1619 to Jamestown on the opposite North American Atlantic coast?

    Interesting how history seems to rhyme at times, if not repeat.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.html

    http://clement-jones.com/ps02/ps02_340.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @Alden, @Rob McX

    The only thing more expensive than cheap labour is free labour.

  187. @Buzz Mohawk
    @nebulafox

    Thank you for your openness. I wish you all the best in bringing it all together. Clearly you have the brains it takes.

    I write to you as someone who was that smartest guy in the class, hell, in the school, in affluent towns in different parts of the US full of professionals. An "A" student who got knocked out by mental illness (severe OCD) and went from the top of every school/class to a flunking dropout.

    Smart friends encouraged me to get a GED, take the SAT and get into a college, any college. I got into a better one than I expected (though not even close to my dreams.) I carefully chose an easy academic course, because I was behind, and because I still couldn't use my mind the way I had. (I still can't.) Simply getting a college degree was all that mattered, and my plan had to work, so I was very careful.

    I ended up eventually in the financial field, getting paid mostly for looking good in suits and being well-spoken. I probably made more money than I would have in my dream as some kind of scientist, at least a little.

    I think one psychological reason I married a mathematician was to fill a hole in myself.

    A hole in my head. LOL

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    This is directed to nebulafox, as well.

    When I was going to school in the mid-60s in NYC, my classes were full of bright, nerdy, Jewish and Italian boys. (The smartest kid in my high school was Italian. It happens.) They took to math like ducks to water.

    The rest of us floundered, more or less. We had the temerity to ask, “Why do we have to learn this?” and our teachers would snarl, “You need to learn this because we tell you to.”

    Myself, I loved history and languages. I was an infoholic, and languages came to me like math to the nerds, but they weren’t stressed where I went to school.

    Long story short: math abuse is real. You’ve read my stuff here long enough to know that I’m not claiming that we’re going to uncover hidden Einsteins among underclass blacks.

    But if we revamp our math curriculum to relate it to real life, we can end up with a much more numerate society. I feel that if I’d been taught better, I would have gone thru Calc 101 and 102 and perhaps gone into a different field. But what’s done is done.

    End of rant.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback Writer wrote:


    But if we revamp our math curriculum to relate it to real life, we can end up with a much more numerate society. I feel that if I’d been taught better, I would have gone thru Calc 101 and 102 and perhaps gone into a different field.
     
    I have never met anyone who really grasped calculus the first time around.

    I read Sawyer's What Is Calculus About? as a freshman in high school, mulled it over for a couple years, and was then able to ace calculus my senior year.

    The basic idea of calculus is something that is infinitely small but not zero, which does not exactly make sense.

    Of course, we now know how to make sense out of it -- limits, epsilon-delta arguments, even what is called "non-standard analysis" (which has actual infinitesimals, but handled very carefully). But I suspect that if Newton had been subjected to all that, he might have been as confused as most students are today!

    So, my advice would be to start easing kids into the basic and very counter-intuitive ideas of calculus early on, so as to give them a long time to wrestle with the weird ideas, long before they have to face "The midterm will be on Wednesday."

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @nebulafox
    @Paperback Writer

    Damn, dude. The mid-60s? What changes you must have seen in life...

    The first thing that tends to shock Americans visiting East Asian countries (Singapore counts) are the airports. Despite being fewer in number, the staff is great at their jobs. They know what they are doing. They don't waste your time. They will do everything possible to make sure you don't miss your flight. And remember, many of these countries were underdeveloped hellholes back in the mid-1960s.

    Compare this to the TSA.

    My point is this: it really does make a major difference in terms of your quality of life if your day-to-day jobs are being done by people with IQs of 100 rather than 80. And I do believe it is possible for a child with a "base" IQ of 90 to reach an IQ of 100 in adulthood, if properly trained and coached. There's a hard limit on this, of course, but it's still worth doing. If this is done on a society wide scale, and most people are 10-20% brighter than they otherwise would be, it makes a massive difference. It can go the other way around too, needless to say, and that's what we're doing.

    >I feel that if I’d been taught better, I would have gone thru Calc 101 and 102 and perhaps gone into a different field. But what’s done is done.

    I'm going to say the most cringe-worthy thing there is: you aren't too old to learn. Pick up a textbook, try it out, preferably with a friend, see if you have fun. If not, stick with your foreign languages, we're gonna need people like you in the coming years.

    (I posted this before reading comment above. Good luck!)

    >and isn’t it terrible that we have to regard a genuinely good physicist as a black physicist?

    I'm not sure it's what the guy himself would want anyhow.

    One of the first grad students I worked with in research was a woman-as you might expect, she received a lot of attention in the building because of this. I can't remember how this topic came about, but I recall saying to her that I thought of her as just another scientist and I didn't really notice anything else, thinking I was just stating reality. (I had zero social awareness at the time.)

    She seemed to like that.

  188. @Pericles
    @mc23

    Library of Congress has a huge archive of slave interviews/narratives, though it seems to be somewhat concealed nowadays.

    For instance, chosen at random, here is Alabama (442 pages): https://memory.loc.gov/mss/mesn/010/010.pdf

    Replies: @mc23

    There are some up on Project Gutenburg. Very interesting reading.

  189. @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    Have you ever heard of block busting? Blacks moving into your neighborhood means a crash in real estate values so once the 1st black moves in, everyone rushes out and sells at fire sale prices before prices crash even further. Wynnefield went from being a mostly Jewish suburb within the city lines (nice single family homes on good sized lots) to a ghetto overnight. Someone had just finished building a brand new high rise apartment bldg (not a project - middle income market rate housing for people who were aging out of their big houses but wanted to stay in the neighborhood) and the paint was barely dry when the neighborhood done change. They must have really taken a bath on that investment. Not only did people have to sell their houses but the synagogues also had to be sold to black churches for a song and of course all of the neighborhood shops (kosher butchers and bakeries and delis, etc.) had to close. Where are the reparations for that?

    This happened less in Italian neighborhoods (S. Philly is Italian to this day). When the 1st black family moved onto a block, that house would often suffer an unfortunate fire.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Ben tillman, @mc23

    Yes, no one made money moving out. My youngest son was explaining Red Lining to me. I countered so you’ve heard of ethicnic cleaning? It wasn’t simple rascism that prompted people to move.

    I knew people in South Philly. Not too long ago people there egged the house of an elderly women because her caretaker was black. My response was “what the hell” but part of it, unfortunately, was wow, “Based”.

  190. @Abe
    @Jack D


    BTW, when it was time to build the railroads after the Civil War, isn’t strange that the railroads recruited men from China (little men, 5′ tall men) rather than using the millions of big swarthy newly freed slaves?
     
    Everything new is old. Just as globalization was already well under way by 1914, so too was the regular economic exploitation of “surplus” Chinese men, who as a rule are hard-working, uncomplaining, reliable, and- I’d throw into the bargain- affable. “Packets” of 50,000 or so coolies ready to ship-out halfway around the world to do back-breaking labor for minimum wages have been a dime a quintodeca-thousand for the last 200 years. Also, they tend to mind their own business and not rape the cuter local megafauna. Indeed the practice was so common it became one of the major issues of the 1906 British general election, when the Tories (in perfect GOPe/Chamber of Commerce-style douchebaggerry) were hammered for their plan to import thousands of Chinese to South Africa to undercut white working men-

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Ten_Years_of_Toryism.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Sam Malone, @Anonymous

    The gentleman importing the Chinese does not appear to be Anglo-Saxon.

  191. @Paperback Writer
    @PhysicistDave


    Again, his work looks reputable, solid, and intriguing to me.

     

    That's what I had supposed... and isn't it terrible that we have to regard a genuinely good physicist as a black physicist?

    Good work on that precession thing. Feynman would have bought you a cigar. I remember in a book of his letters he chided a student for not assuming he could "goof."

    Such a great story:

    https://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2020/feynmans-advice-to-wm-student-resonates-45-years-later.php

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Paperback Writer wrote to me:

    That’s what I had supposed… and isn’t it terrible that we have to regard a genuinely good physicist as a black physicist?

    Yeah. Historically, physicists have usually been pretty good at judging other physicists’ work independent of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, etc. That doesn’t mean that they didn’t often preferentially help out their co-ethnics or co-nationals, but they tended to be pretty clear-eyed about judging colleagues’ work.

    I can think of a couple of living female physicists who I think are judged more highly than justified because of being female, but I think even now that is still rare.

    In case anyone wonders whether I am thinking of my acquaintance Sabine Hossenfelder, no, I am not. Sabine is a competent physicist: neither she nor anyone that I know of has tried to sell her as more than that. Her book Lost in Math, by the way, is informative and quite readable: it is largely a report on various famous physicists she interviewed — she really captured the personalities of the two interviewees with whom I was personally well-acquainted, Joe Polchinski and Steve Weinberg. I’m not sure, however, that Lost in Math was the best title: perhaps something like “Twists, Turns, and Dead Ends in Current Physics” might better have captured what the book is about.

    PW also wrote:

    Good work on that precession thing. Feynman would have bought you a cigar. I remember in a book of his letters he chided a student for not assuming he could “goof.”

    As I have mentioned, I took two full years of classes from Feynman as an undergrad at Caltech.

    He did strongly emphasize to us that we would make mistakes simply because we were human. He said that the goal was to catch mistakes as soon as possible, correct them, and just move on.

    I did catch Feynman on one mistake myself: he did not know that the “event horizon” of a black hole does not actually form in any finite time. I had figured this out for myself, though I later found out that it was well-known to experts in general relativity.

    Needless to say, Feynman caught me on more than one mistake!

    By the way, I also took a year-long class from Kip Thorne, who is mentioned in the article you link to.

    Caltech was an interesting place — very weird, but interesting.

  192. @Paperback Writer
    @Buzz Mohawk

    This is directed to nebulafox, as well.

    When I was going to school in the mid-60s in NYC, my classes were full of bright, nerdy, Jewish and Italian boys. (The smartest kid in my high school was Italian. It happens.) They took to math like ducks to water.

    The rest of us floundered, more or less. We had the temerity to ask, "Why do we have to learn this?" and our teachers would snarl, "You need to learn this because we tell you to."

    Myself, I loved history and languages. I was an infoholic, and languages came to me like math to the nerds, but they weren't stressed where I went to school.

    Long story short: math abuse is real. You've read my stuff here long enough to know that I'm not claiming that we're going to uncover hidden Einsteins among underclass blacks.

    But if we revamp our math curriculum to relate it to real life, we can end up with a much more numerate society. I feel that if I'd been taught better, I would have gone thru Calc 101 and 102 and perhaps gone into a different field. But what's done is done.

    End of rant.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @nebulafox

    Paperback Writer wrote:

    But if we revamp our math curriculum to relate it to real life, we can end up with a much more numerate society. I feel that if I’d been taught better, I would have gone thru Calc 101 and 102 and perhaps gone into a different field.

    I have never met anyone who really grasped calculus the first time around.

    I read Sawyer’s What Is Calculus About? as a freshman in high school, mulled it over for a couple years, and was then able to ace calculus my senior year.

    The basic idea of calculus is something that is infinitely small but not zero, which does not exactly make sense.

    Of course, we now know how to make sense out of it — limits, epsilon-delta arguments, even what is called “non-standard analysis” (which has actual infinitesimals, but handled very carefully). But I suspect that if Newton had been subjected to all that, he might have been as confused as most students are today!

    So, my advice would be to start easing kids into the basic and very counter-intuitive ideas of calculus early on, so as to give them a long time to wrestle with the weird ideas, long before they have to face “The midterm will be on Wednesday.”

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @PhysicistDave


    I have never met anyone who really grasped calculus the first time around.

     

    Thank you! I'm watching this and it's actually helping. I have to take it very very slowly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUvTyaaNkzM&t=74s


    I read Sawyer’s What Is Calculus About? as a freshman in high school, mulled it over for a couple years, and was then able to ace calculus my senior year.

     

    I will read that, again, thank you.

    So, my advice would be to start easing kids into the basic and very counter-intuitive ideas of calculus early on, so as to give them a long time to wrestle with the weird ideas, long before they have to face “The midterm will be on Wednesday.”
     
    Something happens before that. Math is basically tidying up your messy thought processes. There are terms for things that describe that thing precisely. We don't call it "that thing" - it has a name. Then each term has to come in a precise order. Most kids minds don't work that way. They jump ahead & around. So the first thing is to teach kids the mental discipline recognize the terms & to learn the order of operations. Then calculus.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  193. learned no statistics till I got to college

    I was a math major at a small but decent liberal farts college, and didn’t take the required Probability and Statistics classes until senior year. The school size (305 grad. in my class) meant many advanced classes weren’t taught every year and you had to choose. My choices didn’t help my math GRE in December, after 2 weeks of Probability class. We barely touched on spherical trigonometry, and that’s much of what I did for 6 years with Beltway Bandits. Had to get my lats straight from my longs.

  194. @PhysicistDave
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback Writer wrote:


    But if we revamp our math curriculum to relate it to real life, we can end up with a much more numerate society. I feel that if I’d been taught better, I would have gone thru Calc 101 and 102 and perhaps gone into a different field.
     
    I have never met anyone who really grasped calculus the first time around.

    I read Sawyer's What Is Calculus About? as a freshman in high school, mulled it over for a couple years, and was then able to ace calculus my senior year.

    The basic idea of calculus is something that is infinitely small but not zero, which does not exactly make sense.

    Of course, we now know how to make sense out of it -- limits, epsilon-delta arguments, even what is called "non-standard analysis" (which has actual infinitesimals, but handled very carefully). But I suspect that if Newton had been subjected to all that, he might have been as confused as most students are today!

    So, my advice would be to start easing kids into the basic and very counter-intuitive ideas of calculus early on, so as to give them a long time to wrestle with the weird ideas, long before they have to face "The midterm will be on Wednesday."

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I have never met anyone who really grasped calculus the first time around.

    Thank you! I’m watching this and it’s actually helping. I have to take it very very slowly.

    I read Sawyer’s What Is Calculus About? as a freshman in high school, mulled it over for a couple years, and was then able to ace calculus my senior year.

    I will read that, again, thank you.

    So, my advice would be to start easing kids into the basic and very counter-intuitive ideas of calculus early on, so as to give them a long time to wrestle with the weird ideas, long before they have to face “The midterm will be on Wednesday.”

    Something happens before that. Math is basically tidying up your messy thought processes. There are terms for things that describe that thing precisely. We don’t call it “that thing” – it has a name. Then each term has to come in a precise order. Most kids minds don’t work that way. They jump ahead & around. So the first thing is to teach kids the mental discipline recognize the terms & to learn the order of operations. Then calculus.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Paperback Writer

    Paperback Writer wrote to me:


    Something happens before that. Math is basically tidying up your messy thought processes. There are terms for things that describe that thing precisely. We don’t call it “that thing” – it has a name. Then each term has to come in a precise order. Most kids minds don’t work that way.
     
    That's not really what math is about.

    Grasping math is a matter of creating mental models that enable you to "see" mathematical objects and structures.

    It is less a matter of visualization in a precise artistic sense than creating s semi-visual representation that you yourself can manipulate and start to get comfortable with.

    You might find it helpful to read section 20-3 of the Feynman Lectures, in which Feynman tries to explain the process. The big thing is that it has to be active: you have to try to get a picture, try to learn how to explore and manipulate that picture, and keep getting it wrong and then trying to correct yourself.

    No one finds it surprising that to learn to be good at golf, you have to keep actively trying different things, correcting problems, etc. But most people do not grasp that math is the same -- it is trial and error, and lots and lots of error!

    The careful, exact logical reasoning is a necessary skill, but it is the least of it -- as G, H. Hardy put it, the words alone are largely "gas," supplied merely to help the other guy start forming the right models in his own head:

    If we were to push it [the analogy of a mathematician as an observer] to its extreme we should be led to a rather paradoxical conclusion; that there is, strictly, no such thing as mathematical proof; that we can, in the last analysis, do nothing but point; that proofs are what Littlewood and I call gas, rhetorical flourishes designed to affect psychology, pictures on the board in the lecture, devices to stimulate the imagination of pupils. This is plainly not the whole truth, but there is a good deal in it. The image gives us a genuine approximation to the processes of mathematical pedagogy on the one hand and of mathematical discovery on the other...
     
    You may also find Mike Spivak's The Hitchhiker's Guide to Calculus helpful: it is a bit more advanced than Sawyer's book, but Spivak's book is also meant to give you an overview of calculus -- i..e., it's also not a textbook.

    Finally, you might try Ed Frenkel's Love and Math: The Heart of Hidden Reality, which is a sort of novelistic approach to some pretty serious modern math -- one of Frenkel's goals is to get across the same points I am making here.

    Good luck!
  195. @Paperback Writer
    @Buzz Mohawk

    This is directed to nebulafox, as well.

    When I was going to school in the mid-60s in NYC, my classes were full of bright, nerdy, Jewish and Italian boys. (The smartest kid in my high school was Italian. It happens.) They took to math like ducks to water.

    The rest of us floundered, more or less. We had the temerity to ask, "Why do we have to learn this?" and our teachers would snarl, "You need to learn this because we tell you to."

    Myself, I loved history and languages. I was an infoholic, and languages came to me like math to the nerds, but they weren't stressed where I went to school.

    Long story short: math abuse is real. You've read my stuff here long enough to know that I'm not claiming that we're going to uncover hidden Einsteins among underclass blacks.

    But if we revamp our math curriculum to relate it to real life, we can end up with a much more numerate society. I feel that if I'd been taught better, I would have gone thru Calc 101 and 102 and perhaps gone into a different field. But what's done is done.

    End of rant.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @nebulafox

    Damn, dude. The mid-60s? What changes you must have seen in life…

    The first thing that tends to shock Americans visiting East Asian countries (Singapore counts) are the airports. Despite being fewer in number, the staff is great at their jobs. They know what they are doing. They don’t waste your time. They will do everything possible to make sure you don’t miss your flight. And remember, many of these countries were underdeveloped hellholes back in the mid-1960s.

    Compare this to the TSA.

    My point is this: it really does make a major difference in terms of your quality of life if your day-to-day jobs are being done by people with IQs of 100 rather than 80. And I do believe it is possible for a child with a “base” IQ of 90 to reach an IQ of 100 in adulthood, if properly trained and coached. There’s a hard limit on this, of course, but it’s still worth doing. If this is done on a society wide scale, and most people are 10-20% brighter than they otherwise would be, it makes a massive difference. It can go the other way around too, needless to say, and that’s what we’re doing.

    >I feel that if I’d been taught better, I would have gone thru Calc 101 and 102 and perhaps gone into a different field. But what’s done is done.

    I’m going to say the most cringe-worthy thing there is: you aren’t too old to learn. Pick up a textbook, try it out, preferably with a friend, see if you have fun. If not, stick with your foreign languages, we’re gonna need people like you in the coming years.

    (I posted this before reading comment above. Good luck!)

    >and isn’t it terrible that we have to regard a genuinely good physicist as a black physicist?

    I’m not sure it’s what the guy himself would want anyhow.

    One of the first grad students I worked with in research was a woman-as you might expect, she received a lot of attention in the building because of this. I can’t remember how this topic came about, but I recall saying to her that I thought of her as just another scientist and I didn’t really notice anything else, thinking I was just stating reality. (I had zero social awareness at the time.)

    She seemed to like that.

  196. @Jack D
    @Ben tillman

    I think you confusing are Wynnewood (on the Lower Merion side of the line) with Wynnefield (on the Philadelphia side. Wynnewood was where a lot of the Jews from Wynnefield fled and it remains heavily Jewish (increasingly Orthodox) and mostly white to this very day. It didn't need to be gentrified because it was never un-gentrified. If anyone ungentrified Wynnewood it was the Jews themselves - before it became a tightly packed suburban area with houses on 1/4 acre lots it was mostly WASPY country estates - they were ACTUAL gentry, not Jewish accountants and dentists.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Thanks for the response. I always had a hard time keeping Wynnefield and Wynnewood straight, but I’m sure she lived on the Philadelphia side of Cityline.

  197. @Paperback Writer
    @PhysicistDave


    I have never met anyone who really grasped calculus the first time around.

     

    Thank you! I'm watching this and it's actually helping. I have to take it very very slowly.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUvTyaaNkzM&t=74s


    I read Sawyer’s What Is Calculus About? as a freshman in high school, mulled it over for a couple years, and was then able to ace calculus my senior year.

     

    I will read that, again, thank you.

    So, my advice would be to start easing kids into the basic and very counter-intuitive ideas of calculus early on, so as to give them a long time to wrestle with the weird ideas, long before they have to face “The midterm will be on Wednesday.”
     
    Something happens before that. Math is basically tidying up your messy thought processes. There are terms for things that describe that thing precisely. We don't call it "that thing" - it has a name. Then each term has to come in a precise order. Most kids minds don't work that way. They jump ahead & around. So the first thing is to teach kids the mental discipline recognize the terms & to learn the order of operations. Then calculus.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Paperback Writer wrote to me:

    Something happens before that. Math is basically tidying up your messy thought processes. There are terms for things that describe that thing precisely. We don’t call it “that thing” – it has a name. Then each term has to come in a precise order. Most kids minds don’t work that way.

    That’s not really what math is about.

    Grasping math is a matter of creating mental models that enable you to “see” mathematical objects and structures.

    It is less a matter of visualization in a precise artistic sense than creating s semi-visual representation that you yourself can manipulate and start to get comfortable with.

    You might find it helpful to read section 20-3 of the Feynman Lectures, in which Feynman tries to explain the process. The big thing is that it has to be active: you have to try to get a picture, try to learn how to explore and manipulate that picture, and keep getting it wrong and then trying to correct yourself.

    No one finds it surprising that to learn to be good at golf, you have to keep actively trying different things, correcting problems, etc. But most people do not grasp that math is the same — it is trial and error, and lots and lots of error!

    The careful, exact logical reasoning is a necessary skill, but it is the least of it — as G, H. Hardy put it, the words alone are largely “gas,” supplied merely to help the other guy start forming the right models in his own head:

    If we were to push it [the analogy of a mathematician as an observer] to its extreme we should be led to a rather paradoxical conclusion; that there is, strictly, no such thing as mathematical proof; that we can, in the last analysis, do nothing but point; that proofs are what Littlewood and I call gas, rhetorical flourishes designed to affect psychology, pictures on the board in the lecture, devices to stimulate the imagination of pupils. This is plainly not the whole truth, but there is a good deal in it. The image gives us a genuine approximation to the processes of mathematical pedagogy on the one hand and of mathematical discovery on the other…

    You may also find Mike Spivak’s The Hitchhiker’s Guide to Calculus helpful: it is a bit more advanced than Sawyer’s book, but Spivak’s book is also meant to give you an overview of calculus — i..e., it’s also not a textbook.

    Finally, you might try Ed Frenkel’s Love and Math: The Heart of Hidden Reality, which is a sort of novelistic approach to some pretty serious modern math — one of Frenkel’s goals is to get across the same points I am making here.

    Good luck!

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