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From The Atlantic:

‘Madison, Wisconsin, Is Not Ferguson, Missouri’

The death of Tony Robinson, an unarmed black teenager shot by a white police officer, has inspired new protests under the banner of #BlackLivesMatter.

ADAM CHANDLER MAR 9 2015, 4:45 PM ET

On Friday night, Tony Robinson, a 19-year-old black teenager in Madison, Wisconsin, was shot and killed by Matt Kenny, a white officer and 12-year veteran on the city’s police force. …

Since Friday’s shooting, the city has transformed into the latest site of protest and grief. In gatherings reminiscent of those in Ferguson, Missouri, over the death of Michael Brown last August, demonstrators have marched through the streets and gathered at the site where Robinson was killed to demand justice.

Madison, WI is of course not some backward racist burgh like Ferguson, MO, it’s home to the University of Wisconsin and the state government. Madison is part of Dane County, which gave Obama 71% of its vote in 2012. We can see the difference in racist hatred levels in these statistics from the USA Today arrest rate database for 2011-2012:

Screenshot 2015-03-09 01.10.10

Ferguson has a shocking 2.8x black to white ratio.

Now, here is liberal Madison, where voters know better:

Screenshot 2015-03-09 15.25.13

So the black to white ratio is only 9.6x.

Oh, wait …

It turns out that very liberal Madison and its Dane County have just about the worst black-white inequality in America across a host of measures.

Indeed, Wisconsin’s social democratic liberalism in the 1970 s, with high welfare payments and easy eligibility standards, appears to have attracted to Wisconsin just about the worst blacks in America.

 
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  1. Actually, the article specifically rejects the idea that this is a “liberal” or “conservative” problem. Notice the quotes in the headline.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Here is the full quote:

    "We have a police chief who genuinely feels for a family's loss," Jim Palmer, executive director of the state's largest police union, told AP. "It should be abundantly clear to anyone following this incident that Madison, Wisconsin, is not Ferguson, Missouri.""

    So, it's about FEEEELINGS - your police can still go around shooting and arresting blacks in order to prevent your liberaltopia from becoming completely unlivable, as long as they feel about about doing so.

    Also, the article doesn't say anything about liberals and conservatives, either way, so how does it "reject" that idea?

  2. Alas, getting rid of the policies doesn’t get rid of the immigrants.

  3. @Hepp
    Actually, the article specifically rejects the idea that this is a "liberal" or "conservative" problem. Notice the quotes in the headline.

    Here is the full quote:

    “We have a police chief who genuinely feels for a family’s loss,” Jim Palmer, executive director of the state’s largest police union, told AP. “It should be abundantly clear to anyone following this incident that Madison, Wisconsin, is not Ferguson, Missouri.””

    So, it’s about FEEEELINGS – your police can still go around shooting and arresting blacks in order to prevent your liberaltopia from becoming completely unlivable, as long as they feel about about doing so.

    Also, the article doesn’t say anything about liberals and conservatives, either way, so how does it “reject” that idea?

    • Replies: @Hepp
    Yes, that's quoting the police force. But read the article. The last three paragraphs is clearly the author presenting the opposite view.
    , @Marvin
    In Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Douglas Adams satirized this attitude perfectly with Shooty and Bang Bang, the two sensitive police officers (based on Starsky and Hutch) who philosophise and feel the citizens pain as they fire barrage after barrage of laser fire at Arthur and Ford.
  4. @Jack D
    Here is the full quote:

    "We have a police chief who genuinely feels for a family's loss," Jim Palmer, executive director of the state's largest police union, told AP. "It should be abundantly clear to anyone following this incident that Madison, Wisconsin, is not Ferguson, Missouri.""

    So, it's about FEEEELINGS - your police can still go around shooting and arresting blacks in order to prevent your liberaltopia from becoming completely unlivable, as long as they feel about about doing so.

    Also, the article doesn't say anything about liberals and conservatives, either way, so how does it "reject" that idea?

    Yes, that’s quoting the police force. But read the article. The last three paragraphs is clearly the author presenting the opposite view.

  5. A chart of average black to white arrest ratio by state shows Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa are the most disproportionate states.
    The least disproportionate are Kentucky, Arkansas, and South Carolina.
    The further north you go, the clearer the pattern of discrimination becomes.

    https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1hBpR4DDx6vJRXpn97W9fVX1vwfQ9nlUXBsLclKiT

    • Replies: @Chris in Minneapolis
    The indoctrination has worked very well. The bloods not dry and in no way are the circumstances clear, yet already some are "protesting" this police shooting despite what is known. That this person was causing trouble at several places and attempted to choke another person, and that he has a prior for violent crime.

    I was shining my tinfoil hat the other day and the thought hit me, is this just a backdoor to increasing federal control of local police forces? That might come in handy, say in the case of major civil unrest caused by the insolvency of a welfare state.
    , @affenkopf
    I wonder if that might also be partially explained by higher white crime rates in the south.
    , @ben tillman

    A chart of average black to white arrest ratio by state shows Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa are the most disproportionate states.

    The least disproportionate are Kentucky, Arkansas, and South Carolina.

    The further north you go, the clearer the pattern of discrimination becomes.
     
    The definitive treatment of this subject is here:

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prison.htm
    , @Anonymous
    When it comes to crime it isn't correct to assume that black/white arrest ratios should be the same to prove non-discrimination, since, per FBI stats, blacks are but 13% of the population, yet commit 58% of all violent crimes and other crimes way out-of-proportion to their share of the population.

    Case in point: Blacks commit 10 times the number of murders as whites and Hispanics COMBINED.

    Holder and Obama disregard the over abundance of black crime, declaring blacks to be arrested more, because of racism. That's so preposterous as to be outright stupid.

    But it is blacks who will pay the greatest for the lies told, because excusing their crime and violence and/or pretending it doesn't exist will just cause more of the same, which is going to cause the entire black population to become dysfunctional, while Hispanics take their jobs.

    The future does not look good for Obama and Holder's people if these lies continue to be told, instead of trying to rectify the situation. Screaming racism won't do it.
    , @Anonymous
    I think this is an interesting topic. I would assume that there is some mean of black criminality, which is probably about 3-4x or so overall, and more for violent crimes. In areas where there are large black populations, there is regression to the mean; in other words, the law of large numbers kicks in. In areas where there are few blacks, one of two things happen: (1) they have policies which have skewed their sample, like Madison. Madison once had essentially no blacks, but their recent "generous" welfare programs sucked away the worst welfare blacks from Chicago, essentially skimming the left tail of the curve; or (2) something happens to attract law-abiding blacks, or to convince the blacks there to obey the law. This might be as simple as being integrated into white society so that the culture of crime has no influence. But either way, I'd bet that most states in the left and right sides of that distribution (in your link) have fewer than 13% blacks (national average).
  6. I believe these protesters have plenty of rage…but GRIEF? For this nutcase loser?
    As Bill Cosby would say,”Riiiiiiiiight!”

  7. Um, I’m pretty sure that Madison was one of my examples of leftopias that probably had worse Black v. White arrest ratios than Ferguson. That was before the “innocent” Mr. Robinson was shot.

  8. Marty [AKA "wick"] says:

    Jack D, I think what many of us are waiting for is an explanation, from a warm-hearted sophisticate like you, concerned with the best interests of blacks, as to why so many young blacks find it natural to punch any white cop who dares to address them. Myself, despite 28 years of swimming 6 days a week, it would never occur to me to punch a cop. I guess we’d have to say that at the very least, blacks feel confident in their physical abilities, eh? Or maybe about the ability of the family lawyer to procure a settlement?

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    " Myself, despite 28 years of swimming 6 days a week, it would never occur to me to punch a cop."

    They aren't thinking that far ahead. I don't think they are thinking about anything other than the moment they are in when something like this happens.

    Another curious thing is marijuana and blacks. Maybe it is different in other areas, but where I live I'm not real sure a lot of them know it is illegal.

    Like everywhere there are tons of blacks in the prison system. But whites tend to be really discreet about it.

    Blacks just... it's just weird. They must know right?

    Every so often though you read a news story where some guy just says matter of factly "Oh I didn't do it, I was behind the wall smoking a joint" or something.
  9. Mike says: • Website

    Like the UVa rape scandal, the local media (with help from the big league) will protect the reputation of Madison. The lefties have to go to UW-Madison. There isn’t a tuition reciprocity agreement with Iowa.

    Iowa City is pretty cool, but it’s not Madison. And if the reputation of Madison falls to the level of Ferguson, do you really expect the students to go to Minneapolis (where there is tuition reciprocity)?

    There is no need to fear Madison eclipsing Ferguson as The Most Important Place on Earth. The Badgers, especially those that want their children to attend UW-Madison, will make certain that doesn’t happen.

    Matt Kenny should be afraid of what may happen to him. Much more afraid than Darren Wilson ever needed to be.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    No need to fear Madison eclipsing Ferguson....

    I read that short exterpt from http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/662155/posts
    then I quote:..."In 1966, Look Magazine named Detroit an "All American City." The positive national attribution was short-lived....

    It could be doubtful then Madison could also eclipse Detroit but sometines just a little match could blow a powder keg even in a former "Model City". http://www.detroits-great-rebellion.com/Index.html
  10. “Indeed, Wisconsin’s social democratic liberalism in the 1970 s, with high welfare payments and easy eligibility standards, appears to have attracted to Wisconsin just about the worst blacks in America.”

    The aggregate costs of the post-WWII welfare state must have run into the trillions by now, so the blacks clearly have gotten their de facto reparations already, to manifestly no good effect whatsoever. Given this, can we please (pretty f*****g please!), try repatriation now?

  11. I think the main story here is that the “executive director” of the “state’s largest police union” is guilty of an incredibly cheap shot.

    If anyone has any specifics about the shooting, I’d appreciate a link.

    One thing about college towns, is that they are never, exclusively, college towns. (Well, Princeton.) Most of the time there’s an “other side of the tracks” region where the poor, the druggies, the prostitutes, and the riffraff hang out. My experience is that the LEO’s are pretty strict in those locations because they want to provide the students, who, whatever color they are, are usually very privileged, to act like overgrown high school students and act in irresponsible ways. So, yes, if the arrest records in college towns are inordinately high or disparate, that would be the reason why.

    Of course the kids don’t know or care but at their age whenever someone gets killed it presents an opportunity to hold meetings, to show social consciousness, to march, and, not incidentally, to hook up. I saw it in the ’60’s, and it’s the same thing, except that the causes are smaller. (Incidentally, I also saw it in video of the Arab Spring. Something about demonstrations, especially if there is non-lethal violence, really fits a script that young men and women are hungry for.)

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    this is the funniest comment I've seen in a while. You should trumpet this from the mountain tops. Demonstrations = hooking up! No wonder I came out of college with no boyfriend, I never protested anything.

    PS you're brilliant. I come to the comments section for just a few names, and you're near the top. Also Harry Baldwin.
  12. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984558/Tony-Robinson-shot-dead-cop-Wisconson-unarmed-police-confirm-city-mayor-describes-shooting-tragedy-description.html

    DailyMail??? Where else are you going to go for the truth!!!

    First of all Tony Robinson is closer to being Obama’s mother’s son than Obama’s son. He has a white mom, with a tattoo of course. Looks like a real granola eating hippie chick.

    Robinson graduated from a 75% white, 10% black suburban high school.

    http://www.greatschools.org/wisconsin/sun-prairie/1815-Sun-Prairie-High-School/details/

    Nature over Nurture???

    He was also the defendant in a paternity action filed last year, in regard to a then-one-year-old boy.

    A 24-year-old Madison woman filed the action, and a judge ruled that ‘parties will have joint legal custody; no placement order and no child support order entered as neither party appeared to provide info’.

    Oh Well Thank God!!! Nothing would have been more tragic than for this young 19 year old to have died with out issue!!!!

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984558/Tony-Robinson-shot-dead-cop-Wisconson-unarmed-police-confirm-city-mayor-describes-shooting-tragedy-description.html

    Tony Robinson's white grandmother Sharon Irwin has very long dreadlocks and is leading the protests. Now that just about explains everything. She is not about waste her 15 minutes.
    , @Anonymous
    Story sez Mom is a Sun Prairie High grad, that means local retard, not a hippie chick.

    Back in the day, the local Madison thugs of color would hang out at the Union to paw the Jew hippie chicks. Then, the management started carding for registrants only: small protests, for a short time.
    , @cipher
    "...granola eating hippie chick."

    Nope.

    Standard issue, Mark 1 Mod 1 northern tier coal burner.

    The parents of such creatures console themselves, between booze/prescription drug/food binges, with "hey, look, we're not raciss! Wheee!"

    Daughter avails herself of the ample Lutheran or Catholic Family Services and generous State welfare benefits available to single "moms".

    Beneath it all, daughter's mother reflects in quiet satisfaction on the sublimely insidious coup de grace delivered to her husbands genes. That'll teach that s.o.b. to go ice fishing on the weekends!

    Until something goes horribly wrong. As is often the case.
    , @Anonymous
    Nature over nurture indeed: Robinson's mom had him when she was 17.
  13. Jamiel Shaw is a Black man who has a son who was murdered by an “Undocumented Immigrant”. The only news channel that reported on it is Fox News and Right Wing sites like Breit Bart. But nobody on the Left and the African American community is outraged about it. This is how you know the “Black Lives Matter” movement is a farce.
    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/25/father-of-teen-killed-by-illegal-obama-doesnt-care-because-killer-isnt-white/

    It seems like in America Illegal Immigrants trump Blackness in the DIEversity food chain.

    • Replies: @Hubbub
    Blacks are about to run out their credit card balance some time soon, so the media and SJWs need to have another class of the aggrieved to bring into the fray. Much the same order of business, except it will be Browns (must be colored to equalize the Black element) and their historical grievances against the Whites - you know, Texas annexation, Gadsden Purchase, California, Oregon and the Rocky Mt. areas, slave wages - all naturally Hispanic homelands, torn from their grasp by rapacious and dastardly Anglos.

    The thing about diverse and multicultural societies is that this kind of blackmail can go on for the life of the nation, which will be shortened in the process. Then, these groups will move on to another feeding ground somewhere.
    , @ben tillman

    It seems like in America Illegal Immigrants trump Blackness in the DIEversity food chain.
     
    Demographic transformation is the central government's top priority.
    , @MarkinLA
    I was at a NumbersUSA rally at Feinstein's West LA office and met the Shaw family. I asked him why the Congressional Black Caucus didn't look out for the interests of blacks with regard to runaway immigration, especially from south of the border. I told him that if the CBC joined the immigration restriction side it would effectively kill any attempt at amnesty. He said he didn't have an answer. He talked to every black organization and nobody wanted to hear anything he had to say.
  14. Mr. Sailor,

    The “arrest rest rate per 1000 residents” is confusing.

    Madison has 240,000 residents of which 7.3%(17500) are black. But 593 x 240 = 142320.
    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/55/5548000.html

    Are blacks being constantly arrested?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Nothing confusing. It means there were 17500*593.1/1000 arrests of blacks in a year.
  15. the ratio is not black to white, it is black to NON_black. Non black includes hispanics I presume, so in places where non blacks include whites and hispanics, the ratio is lower as hispanics have a higher arrest rate. in places where there are no or little hispanics, the black to white ratio will be large as in madison or san francisco.

  16. @Jefferson
    Jamiel Shaw is a Black man who has a son who was murdered by an "Undocumented Immigrant". The only news channel that reported on it is Fox News and Right Wing sites like Breit Bart. But nobody on the Left and the African American community is outraged about it. This is how you know the "Black Lives Matter" movement is a farce.
    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/25/father-of-teen-killed-by-illegal-obama-doesnt-care-because-killer-isnt-white/

    It seems like in America Illegal Immigrants trump Blackness in the DIEversity food chain.

    Blacks are about to run out their credit card balance some time soon, so the media and SJWs need to have another class of the aggrieved to bring into the fray. Much the same order of business, except it will be Browns (must be colored to equalize the Black element) and their historical grievances against the Whites – you know, Texas annexation, Gadsden Purchase, California, Oregon and the Rocky Mt. areas, slave wages – all naturally Hispanic homelands, torn from their grasp by rapacious and dastardly Anglos.

    The thing about diverse and multicultural societies is that this kind of blackmail can go on for the life of the nation, which will be shortened in the process. Then, these groups will move on to another feeding ground somewhere.

    • Replies: @New Reader

    Blacks are about to run out their credit card balance some time soon, so the media and SJWs need to have another class of the aggrieved to bring into the fray.
     
    What does "SJW" mean? I'm not up on wingnut acronyms.
  17. The Atlantic: “‘Madison, Wisconsin, Is Not Ferguson, Missouri’”

    Translation: “Madison is one of our nests, let’s not wreck it by getting the local black undertow too amped up.”

  18. Tony Robinson is Mixed Race just like George Zimmerman.

  19. Would you please explain “arrest rate?” It can’t be that 59% of blacks have been arrested, can it? How do multiple arrests of the same guy figure in? What’s the denominator and what’s the numerator? Thanks.

    • Replies: @John Cunningham
    I think arrest rate is number of arrests per population total, so one guy can get multiple arrests over a year, say. I dunno if it includes juvenile arrests, since juvie records are pretty hidden. it may just be arrestd of those over 18. note that on average nationwide about 25% of black males 18 to 35 are either in prison or probation.
  20. @European-American
    A chart of average black to white arrest ratio by state shows Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa are the most disproportionate states.
    The least disproportionate are Kentucky, Arkansas, and South Carolina.
    The further north you go, the clearer the pattern of discrimination becomes.

    https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1hBpR4DDx6vJRXpn97W9fVX1vwfQ9nlUXBsLclKiT

    The indoctrination has worked very well. The bloods not dry and in no way are the circumstances clear, yet already some are “protesting” this police shooting despite what is known. That this person was causing trouble at several places and attempted to choke another person, and that he has a prior for violent crime.

    I was shining my tinfoil hat the other day and the thought hit me, is this just a backdoor to increasing federal control of local police forces? That might come in handy, say in the case of major civil unrest caused by the insolvency of a welfare state.

    • Replies: @Chris in Minneapolis
    sorry, didn't mean to respond specifically to E-A
  21. @anonymous-antimarxist
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984558/Tony-Robinson-shot-dead-cop-Wisconson-unarmed-police-confirm-city-mayor-describes-shooting-tragedy-description.html

    DailyMail??? Where else are you going to go for the truth!!!

    First of all Tony Robinson is closer to being Obama's mother's son than Obama's son. He has a white mom, with a tattoo of course. Looks like a real granola eating hippie chick.

    Robinson graduated from a 75% white, 10% black suburban high school.

    http://www.greatschools.org/wisconsin/sun-prairie/1815-Sun-Prairie-High-School/details/

    Nature over Nurture???


    He was also the defendant in a paternity action filed last year, in regard to a then-one-year-old boy.

    A 24-year-old Madison woman filed the action, and a judge ruled that 'parties will have joint legal custody; no placement order and no child support order entered as neither party appeared to provide info'.
     

    Oh Well Thank God!!! Nothing would have been more tragic than for this young 19 year old to have died with out issue!!!!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984558/Tony-Robinson-shot-dead-cop-Wisconson-unarmed-police-confirm-city-mayor-describes-shooting-tragedy-description.html

    Tony Robinson’s white grandmother Sharon Irwin has very long dreadlocks and is leading the protests. Now that just about explains everything. She is not about waste her 15 minutes.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/03/08/madison-wisconsin-police-officer-named-in-tony-robinson-shooting-professional-agitators-continue-efforts/

    Oh my "Dindu Nuffins" is caught posing with his homies flashing gang signs while wearing an ankle bracelet and with what looks like a blunt in his mouth.

    Dam those waycist white cops!!!!
  22. The Atlanta Black Star made a list of the top 10 worst states for Blacks to live in and Wisconsin made the list.

    • Replies: @donut
    How much do you think it would cost to get a particular city on such a list ?
  23. @Chris in Minneapolis
    The indoctrination has worked very well. The bloods not dry and in no way are the circumstances clear, yet already some are "protesting" this police shooting despite what is known. That this person was causing trouble at several places and attempted to choke another person, and that he has a prior for violent crime.

    I was shining my tinfoil hat the other day and the thought hit me, is this just a backdoor to increasing federal control of local police forces? That might come in handy, say in the case of major civil unrest caused by the insolvency of a welfare state.

    sorry, didn’t mean to respond specifically to E-A

  24. “Tony Robinson’s white grandmother Sharon Irwin has very long dreadlocks and is leading the protests. Now that just about explains everything. She is not about waste her 15 minutes.”

    I don’t know what looks more ridiculous, a Black as midnight Sista dying her hair platinum blonde or a White person who gets dreadlocks.

  25. @anonymous-antimarxist
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984558/Tony-Robinson-shot-dead-cop-Wisconson-unarmed-police-confirm-city-mayor-describes-shooting-tragedy-description.html

    Tony Robinson's white grandmother Sharon Irwin has very long dreadlocks and is leading the protests. Now that just about explains everything. She is not about waste her 15 minutes.

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/03/08/madison-wisconsin-police-officer-named-in-tony-robinson-shooting-professional-agitators-continue-efforts/

    Oh my “Dindu Nuffins” is caught posing with his homies flashing gang signs while wearing an ankle bracelet and with what looks like a blunt in his mouth.

    Dam those waycist white cops!!!!

  26. The Atlantic: “Madison, Wisconsin, Is Not Ferguson, Missouri”

    Neither is Bezerkley, California 209.9/22.5
    or Oberlin, Ohio (home of the blanket KKK frenzy) 287/78.7
    or Portland, Oregon 258.7/63.3

  27. Here’s an additional hatehypothesis: blacks are genetically conditioned to living in tropical climates, but Wisconsin and Minnesota have some of the coldest winters in the nation. So the combined effect may be that those states select heavily for black migrants toward the extreme end of the spectrum of “willing to freeze their butts off rather than get a job”.

  28. I. just. don’t. care. anymore.

  29. Madison is getting quite jumpy. Activists have been pushing to enlarge the Negro population to make Madison more diverse, but the diversity is just producing more dead white folks.

    In 2009, Tyrone Adair, (the son of Rita Adair**, a long time bar owner, social worker and mulatto activist), executed his two white baby-mamas AND his two mulatto sprogs because he was angry over child support payments.

    A year ago, a black gang invaded the home of a blind white guy and his six-months-pregnant white wife, gang raping her, robbing and beating both them.

    Only eight months ago ago, another black racist went to the Madison home of two white neighbor ladies and stabbed both of them to death. They may have complained about him making too much noise.

    ** Rita Adair, in a bizarre twist of fate, lead her own personal rescue mission to Houston to import a bunch of Katrina refugees and dump them on the Madison welfare department.

    As a Madison mulatto social worker herself you must admit she was quite entrepreneurial! What better way to insure job security if you are a black social worker?

  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous-antimarxist
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984558/Tony-Robinson-shot-dead-cop-Wisconson-unarmed-police-confirm-city-mayor-describes-shooting-tragedy-description.html

    DailyMail??? Where else are you going to go for the truth!!!

    First of all Tony Robinson is closer to being Obama's mother's son than Obama's son. He has a white mom, with a tattoo of course. Looks like a real granola eating hippie chick.

    Robinson graduated from a 75% white, 10% black suburban high school.

    http://www.greatschools.org/wisconsin/sun-prairie/1815-Sun-Prairie-High-School/details/

    Nature over Nurture???


    He was also the defendant in a paternity action filed last year, in regard to a then-one-year-old boy.

    A 24-year-old Madison woman filed the action, and a judge ruled that 'parties will have joint legal custody; no placement order and no child support order entered as neither party appeared to provide info'.
     

    Oh Well Thank God!!! Nothing would have been more tragic than for this young 19 year old to have died with out issue!!!!

    Story sez Mom is a Sun Prairie High grad, that means local retard, not a hippie chick.

    Back in the day, the local Madison thugs of color would hang out at the Union to paw the Jew hippie chicks. Then, the management started carding for registrants only: small protests, for a short time.

  31. @anonymous-antimarxist
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984558/Tony-Robinson-shot-dead-cop-Wisconson-unarmed-police-confirm-city-mayor-describes-shooting-tragedy-description.html

    DailyMail??? Where else are you going to go for the truth!!!

    First of all Tony Robinson is closer to being Obama's mother's son than Obama's son. He has a white mom, with a tattoo of course. Looks like a real granola eating hippie chick.

    Robinson graduated from a 75% white, 10% black suburban high school.

    http://www.greatschools.org/wisconsin/sun-prairie/1815-Sun-Prairie-High-School/details/

    Nature over Nurture???


    He was also the defendant in a paternity action filed last year, in regard to a then-one-year-old boy.

    A 24-year-old Madison woman filed the action, and a judge ruled that 'parties will have joint legal custody; no placement order and no child support order entered as neither party appeared to provide info'.
     

    Oh Well Thank God!!! Nothing would have been more tragic than for this young 19 year old to have died with out issue!!!!

    “…granola eating hippie chick.”

    Nope.

    Standard issue, Mark 1 Mod 1 northern tier coal burner.

    The parents of such creatures console themselves, between booze/prescription drug/food binges, with “hey, look, we’re not raciss! Wheee!”

    Daughter avails herself of the ample Lutheran or Catholic Family Services and generous State welfare benefits available to single “moms”.

    Beneath it all, daughter’s mother reflects in quiet satisfaction on the sublimely insidious coup de grace delivered to her husbands genes. That’ll teach that s.o.b. to go ice fishing on the weekends!

    Until something goes horribly wrong. As is often the case.

    • Replies: @donut
    "Her love was as mobile and temporary as her trailer home ."
  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So, this is a nice story emphasizing the aggressively sympathetic approach taken by the Madison PD Chief, who clearly wants to avoid any appearance of similarity to Ferguson, and then, yes, police union making that explicit statement, that they’re not Ferguson. Allegedly even the protestors are focused on the national problem, not a local one

  33. FYI there is a “bad side of the tracks” in Princeton and has been for a while. Paul Robeson grew up there 100 years ago.

  34. @Jack D
    Here is the full quote:

    "We have a police chief who genuinely feels for a family's loss," Jim Palmer, executive director of the state's largest police union, told AP. "It should be abundantly clear to anyone following this incident that Madison, Wisconsin, is not Ferguson, Missouri.""

    So, it's about FEEEELINGS - your police can still go around shooting and arresting blacks in order to prevent your liberaltopia from becoming completely unlivable, as long as they feel about about doing so.

    Also, the article doesn't say anything about liberals and conservatives, either way, so how does it "reject" that idea?

    In Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy Douglas Adams satirized this attitude perfectly with Shooty and Bang Bang, the two sensitive police officers (based on Starsky and Hutch) who philosophise and feel the citizens pain as they fire barrage after barrage of laser fire at Arthur and Ford.

  35. Madison is a city where over 50% of residents have at least a bachelors degree, but people of color pretty much only live in one neighborhood on the Southside. Its incredibly bifurcated, as the Race to Equity points out.

    There has been crazy job growth, but its all in tech/biotech like the Google offices 5 blocks from the shooting, or Epic Systems with its 8,000 employees, or Exact Sciences planning to double in size in the next couple years. If you aren’t high skill, your options are pretty much working at a Chipotle making burrito bowls for white girls in leggings and Canada Goose jackets. In this sense, its probably worse than Ferguson.

    • Replies: @donut
    "Madison is a city where over 50% of residents have at least a bachelors degree"

    Adjusting for inflation a bachelors degree today has less value than HS diploma did 30-40 years ago .
  36. Ferguson’s main problem is that the police are very disproportionately white in a very disproportionately black city — in today’s times of ‘institutional racism’, ‘disparate impact’ etc, the racial bean counters were never going to give Ferguson a pass — that kind of situation was always going to be prima facie evidence that something is rotten in Ferguson.

    Oddly enough, more or less to confirm this, when I did a quick search for info on the racial makeup of the Madison PD, I found that in the aftermath of Ferguson someone had already looked into this:

    September 12, 2014 8:30 am — How representative of the city’s racial makeup is Madison’s police force?

    In Ferguson, for instance, 83 percent of sworn police officers are white while the population is just 29 percent white…Allowing for rounding, the New York Times called it a 55-percentage-point gap between the police force and the community in terms of white representation…The gap is much smaller in Madison…According to current figures provided by the Madison Police Department, 80.1 percent of its 467 sworn officers are white. The 2012 American Community Survey five-year estimates by the U.S. Census Bureau put Madison’s non-Hispanic white population at 76 percent of the total.

  37. Well, they’re Yankees and like the old saying goes, “once a man is known as an early riser he can sleep as late as he wants”.

  38. @Marty
    Jack D, I think what many of us are waiting for is an explanation, from a warm-hearted sophisticate like you, concerned with the best interests of blacks, as to why so many young blacks find it natural to punch any white cop who dares to address them. Myself, despite 28 years of swimming 6 days a week, it would never occur to me to punch a cop. I guess we'd have to say that at the very least, blacks feel confident in their physical abilities, eh? Or maybe about the ability of the family lawyer to procure a settlement?

    ” Myself, despite 28 years of swimming 6 days a week, it would never occur to me to punch a cop.”

    They aren’t thinking that far ahead. I don’t think they are thinking about anything other than the moment they are in when something like this happens.

    Another curious thing is marijuana and blacks. Maybe it is different in other areas, but where I live I’m not real sure a lot of them know it is illegal.

    Like everywhere there are tons of blacks in the prison system. But whites tend to be really discreet about it.

    Blacks just… it’s just weird. They must know right?

    Every so often though you read a news story where some guy just says matter of factly “Oh I didn’t do it, I was behind the wall smoking a joint” or something.

  39. It may be that Wisconsin (Milwaukee and Madison) have attracted the worst blacks, but it may also be, per La Griffe that Madison is just soft on crime, which tends to increase the disparity between black and white prison rates.

  40. The police in Madison should stop policing blacks altogether. Just let them do whatever they like. I’m sure the progs at UW and in the state government would be cool with that. And if they aren’t, then they are obviously racists.

  41. Wisconsin’s extremely bone chilling icebox winters do not seem to have an affect in reducing Black crime in that state.

    So much for the theory that some people on The Unz have that Blacks do not commit crimes when it is very cold outside. That theory is debunked.

  42. @European-American
    A chart of average black to white arrest ratio by state shows Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa are the most disproportionate states.
    The least disproportionate are Kentucky, Arkansas, and South Carolina.
    The further north you go, the clearer the pattern of discrimination becomes.

    https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1hBpR4DDx6vJRXpn97W9fVX1vwfQ9nlUXBsLclKiT

    I wonder if that might also be partially explained by higher white crime rates in the south.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I wonder if that might also be partially explained by higher white crime rates in the south.
     
    The relative difference between Black and White crime rates matters, of course, but the bigger factor is the difference in incarceration thresholds. Liberal states choose higher thresholds and thus incarcerate people from farther to the right of the racial criminality bell curves, where the relative difference between the Black curve and the thin tail of the White curve is greater.

    Explained here:

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prison.htm

  43. A couple of years ago a crazy Left Wing progressive White woman started a thread on City-Data asking people what is the Blackest public school in Madison, Wisconsin so that she can send her children to it so that they can learn to accept people who are racially different from themselves.
    http://www.city-data.com/forum/madison/1629445-madison-wisconsin-african-american-population-changing.html

    I consider that cruel punishment on her part. But I give her credit for not being a hypocrite like most White liberals who have the DIEversity for thee but not for me mentality. At least she is walking the walk.

    • Replies: @Jo S'more
    Well that is one way to help your kids achieve valedictorian status.
  44. @Jefferson
    The Atlanta Black Star made a list of the top 10 worst states for Blacks to live in and Wisconsin made the list.

    How much do you think it would cost to get a particular city on such a list ?

  45. @cipher
    "...granola eating hippie chick."

    Nope.

    Standard issue, Mark 1 Mod 1 northern tier coal burner.

    The parents of such creatures console themselves, between booze/prescription drug/food binges, with "hey, look, we're not raciss! Wheee!"

    Daughter avails herself of the ample Lutheran or Catholic Family Services and generous State welfare benefits available to single "moms".

    Beneath it all, daughter's mother reflects in quiet satisfaction on the sublimely insidious coup de grace delivered to her husbands genes. That'll teach that s.o.b. to go ice fishing on the weekends!

    Until something goes horribly wrong. As is often the case.

    “Her love was as mobile and temporary as her trailer home .”

  46. @Serf
    Madison is a city where over 50% of residents have at least a bachelors degree, but people of color pretty much only live in one neighborhood on the Southside. Its incredibly bifurcated, as the Race to Equity points out.

    There has been crazy job growth, but its all in tech/biotech like the Google offices 5 blocks from the shooting, or Epic Systems with its 8,000 employees, or Exact Sciences planning to double in size in the next couple years. If you aren't high skill, your options are pretty much working at a Chipotle making burrito bowls for white girls in leggings and Canada Goose jackets. In this sense, its probably worse than Ferguson.

    “Madison is a city where over 50% of residents have at least a bachelors degree”

    Adjusting for inflation a bachelors degree today has less value than HS diploma did 30-40 years ago .

  47. Wouldn’t be surprising if this incident wrecks Scott Walker’s presidential aspirations. In most states, we’d hear about a “culture of violence” endemic statewide among officers. This will be especially true since the governor is a union-buster.

  48. Keep in mind Madison is one of the nesting places of the professional left, some of the same employees of the SJW-liberal-media-complex who agitated during the Ferguson debacle live and work in Madison. The shooting and protests took place where the professional left lives and works. It’s easy to agitate and cause rioting in someone else’s distant town because Madison’s professional left doesn’t have to deal with the localized after affects of burned down houses and smashed windows. It’s a different story when its your neighborhoods that are at risk of being burned down and looted. Probably not a good idea to fan the flames on your own house.

    The local response has been very muted. Mostly calls for investigations and pointing fingers at white privilege (?), stalling tactics and asking the mob to keep calm.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    But imagine what if, one day, the SJW-liberal-media-complex lost control of their Frankenstein they created and decide to hit the SJW neighborhood?
  49. Let’s just go whole hog and have protests, vandalism, black-on-white assaults, and East-Coast-on-Midlands media attacks every single time a black person gets arrested, stopped, handcuffed, or otherwise looked at the wrong way by any cop whosoever. That’s where this is going, and that’s what a lot of dips*its would be perfectly happy with.

    We don’t have a country anymore. Have I said this before?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    We don’t have a country anymore. Have I said this before?
     
    We do not have a *nation* anymore.
  50. @anonymous-antimarxist
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984558/Tony-Robinson-shot-dead-cop-Wisconson-unarmed-police-confirm-city-mayor-describes-shooting-tragedy-description.html

    DailyMail??? Where else are you going to go for the truth!!!

    First of all Tony Robinson is closer to being Obama's mother's son than Obama's son. He has a white mom, with a tattoo of course. Looks like a real granola eating hippie chick.

    Robinson graduated from a 75% white, 10% black suburban high school.

    http://www.greatschools.org/wisconsin/sun-prairie/1815-Sun-Prairie-High-School/details/

    Nature over Nurture???


    He was also the defendant in a paternity action filed last year, in regard to a then-one-year-old boy.

    A 24-year-old Madison woman filed the action, and a judge ruled that 'parties will have joint legal custody; no placement order and no child support order entered as neither party appeared to provide info'.
     

    Oh Well Thank God!!! Nothing would have been more tragic than for this young 19 year old to have died with out issue!!!!

    Nature over nurture indeed: Robinson’s mom had him when she was 17.

    • Replies: @Jo S'more
    Einstein's mother had him when she was 20 which means she was almost certainly a teen aged bride. Probably half the people aged 60 or older were born to mothers whose first baby was born when she was a teen. Nothing wrong with teen marriage and motherhood. The problems come from unmarried mothers of any age.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist
    Obama's mother's son here, Tony Robinson impregnated a 22-23 year old when just seventeen.

    Obviously being told by white lefties that he was an oppressed minority victim did his <=50% black mind a lot of good in terms of building his self respect. He seems to have compensated with having a white oppressor side by going the full Im Black Yall

    And what is more IBY than trying to punch out a cop????
  51. @newrouter
    Mr. Sailor,

    The "arrest rest rate per 1000 residents" is confusing.

    Madison has 240,000 residents of which 7.3%(17500) are black. But 593 x 240 = 142320.
    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/55/5548000.html

    Are blacks being constantly arrested?

    Nothing confusing. It means there were 17500*593.1/1000 arrests of blacks in a year.

  52. A few weeks back, NPR’s “This American Life” broadcast Cops See It Differently, Part 1. It was an hour of radio (podcast) spent discussing policing and race in Milwaukee — quite a different city from Madison, but also in Wisconsin, also very liberal, and also close to the Canadian border.

    Perhaps you’ve wondered, “How can progressives present their perspective about Racism And American Law Enforcement, without mentioning any of the key facts about race and crime?” That show’s your answer.

    • Replies: @David
    A couple of days ago a Massachusetts cop called an NPR show about racist policing. He said that he'd been called to several domestic violence incidents and been attacked by every member of the family. "You don't know what it's like. You have to look at who's committing the crimes and who the victims are. I see kids having kids and they don't care anything about 'em." They hustled his ass off the air and took another call. They never acknowledged what he'd said.

    About 1990 I was arrested for attempting to steal a car radio just outside my apartment on West 88th St. I was innocent but so was everyone else in central booking that night. Out of maybe 200 people brought in over the course of a night, I was the only white person.

    A fun detail of that fond memory is that a crack dealer had made it in with his stash to the huge cell at central booking. Men cuffed in front sprawled out on benches sat up at the news. The perimeter of the cell was bars with thick Plexiglas attached to stop prisoners assaulting the police. The crack was stored like bullets in the knitted band of his jacked. Squeeze one side and out a hole on the other would pop a vile of crack. Crack was freely and openly smoked in central booking that night. The police at intervals would say, "Hey, cut that out." Eventually, the lighter began to run low. I helpfully showed them how by holding down the plunger while spinning the striker one could start a tiny flame to light a used match that in turn could be used to vaporized cocaine. Not being a junkie, I had the steady hands, and gave out burning matches until even that method failed. I love to help people.

  53. @European-American
    A chart of average black to white arrest ratio by state shows Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa are the most disproportionate states.
    The least disproportionate are Kentucky, Arkansas, and South Carolina.
    The further north you go, the clearer the pattern of discrimination becomes.

    https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1hBpR4DDx6vJRXpn97W9fVX1vwfQ9nlUXBsLclKiT

    A chart of average black to white arrest ratio by state shows Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa are the most disproportionate states.

    The least disproportionate are Kentucky, Arkansas, and South Carolina.

    The further north you go, the clearer the pattern of discrimination becomes.

    The definitive treatment of this subject is here:

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prison.htm

  54. @Mike
    Like the UVa rape scandal, the local media (with help from the big league) will protect the reputation of Madison. The lefties have to go to UW-Madison. There isn't a tuition reciprocity agreement with Iowa.

    Iowa City is pretty cool, but it's not Madison. And if the reputation of Madison falls to the level of Ferguson, do you really expect the students to go to Minneapolis (where there is tuition reciprocity)?

    There is no need to fear Madison eclipsing Ferguson as The Most Important Place on Earth. The Badgers, especially those that want their children to attend UW-Madison, will make certain that doesn't happen.

    Matt Kenny should be afraid of what may happen to him. Much more afraid than Darren Wilson ever needed to be.

    No need to fear Madison eclipsing Ferguson….

    I read that short exterpt from http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/662155/posts
    then I quote:…”In 1966, Look Magazine named Detroit an “All American City.” The positive national attribution was short-lived….

    It could be doubtful then Madison could also eclipse Detroit but sometines just a little match could blow a powder keg even in a former “Model City”. http://www.detroits-great-rebellion.com/Index.html

  55. @affenkopf
    I wonder if that might also be partially explained by higher white crime rates in the south.

    I wonder if that might also be partially explained by higher white crime rates in the south.

    The relative difference between Black and White crime rates matters, of course, but the bigger factor is the difference in incarceration thresholds. Liberal states choose higher thresholds and thus incarcerate people from farther to the right of the racial criminality bell curves, where the relative difference between the Black curve and the thin tail of the White curve is greater.

    Explained here:

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prison.htm

  56. @backwoods poet
    Keep in mind Madison is one of the nesting places of the professional left, some of the same employees of the SJW-liberal-media-complex who agitated during the Ferguson debacle live and work in Madison. The shooting and protests took place where the professional left lives and works. It's easy to agitate and cause rioting in someone else's distant town because Madison's professional left doesn't have to deal with the localized after affects of burned down houses and smashed windows. It's a different story when its your neighborhoods that are at risk of being burned down and looted. Probably not a good idea to fan the flames on your own house.

    The local response has been very muted. Mostly calls for investigations and pointing fingers at white privilege (?), stalling tactics and asking the mob to keep calm.

    But imagine what if, one day, the SJW-liberal-media-complex lost control of their Frankenstein they created and decide to hit the SJW neighborhood?

  57. @Jefferson
    Jamiel Shaw is a Black man who has a son who was murdered by an "Undocumented Immigrant". The only news channel that reported on it is Fox News and Right Wing sites like Breit Bart. But nobody on the Left and the African American community is outraged about it. This is how you know the "Black Lives Matter" movement is a farce.
    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/25/father-of-teen-killed-by-illegal-obama-doesnt-care-because-killer-isnt-white/

    It seems like in America Illegal Immigrants trump Blackness in the DIEversity food chain.

    It seems like in America Illegal Immigrants trump Blackness in the DIEversity food chain.

    Demographic transformation is the central government’s top priority.

  58. @Jefferson
    A couple of years ago a crazy Left Wing progressive White woman started a thread on City-Data asking people what is the Blackest public school in Madison, Wisconsin so that she can send her children to it so that they can learn to accept people who are racially different from themselves.
    http://www.city-data.com/forum/madison/1629445-madison-wisconsin-african-american-population-changing.html

    I consider that cruel punishment on her part. But I give her credit for not being a hypocrite like most White liberals who have the DIEversity for thee but not for me mentality. At least she is walking the walk.

    Well that is one way to help your kids achieve valedictorian status.

  59. @Anonymous
    Nature over nurture indeed: Robinson's mom had him when she was 17.

    Einstein’s mother had him when she was 20 which means she was almost certainly a teen aged bride. Probably half the people aged 60 or older were born to mothers whose first baby was born when she was a teen. Nothing wrong with teen marriage and motherhood. The problems come from unmarried mothers of any age.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Yes, but Einstein was born in 1879, when average life expectancy was around 40 yrs - if you didn't have children young, you might die before they were fully grown. In the modern context, teenage motherhood is associated (outside of religious sects) with low socioeconomic status (aka trashiness). Average age of US college educated mothers is now (and this is admittedly later than it should be) over 30.
  60. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Science now tells us where some of the problems with blacks come from, it seems.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Isn't it funny? For the longest time we heard that the root of the problem with failure and crime was low self-esteem. I forget what context it was in, but as Ann Coulter pointed out, "If you've ever had any dealings with black women you know that they are never lacking in self-esteem and self-confidence." So true. Asian women with Ph.D.'s in engineering from Stanford have less confidence in their abilities than some black female who has failed out of NC A&T School of Education three times.
  61. Steve you are just too pro-south for one thing Wisconsin is losing black population while Georgia is gaining a lot. In fact has inequality on an LA-Orange County level which is bad. One of the wealthiest counties in Georgia Gwinett now has a lot of kids living in motels since their parents can’t afford the rent and also a lot of blacks and Latinos and Asians have moved to Gwinett about 20 years ago it was almost all white. This by an article by liberal think tank Brookings. In fact the fastest growing suburban poverty now is in Georgia or North Carolina or Travis County Texas home of Austin. Wisconsin is losing blacks to the south and has an older white population this is why Scott Walker won. In fact William Frey noticed that in some elections Wisconsin moves to the Republicans in midterm because of the older white population while in presidential Georgia vetoes less Republican than even Arizona because Georgia minorities are black while Arizona’s are Latino. If the trend continues Georgia will be less Republican in 15 years while Wisconsin will be more Republican. In fact attack the north is a failed policy since it drives the north more to the left. In Washington State the 15 per hour probably won since jobs have been going to South Carolina. Also, Oregon which has had problems has an idea of 15 per hour minimum wage. In the Reagan era these states were more purplish and voted for Reagan but pushing jobs out to the South causes a lot of the left-right conflict that we are experiencing today. Washington even gave Boeing lots of tax breaks but Boeing was interested in cheaper labor in South Carolina. In fact California’s shift to the left is also a result of the aerospace companies moving to the South, and Wisconsin welfare payments have been actually dropping it has had Republicans in control of the government and its becoming right to work. Indiana and Michigan are also right to work. In fact Indiana has had more manufacturing growth than most of the Southern States. Granted, Detroit will not changed soon by Michigan can compete with the south for cheaper manufacturing labor like Indiana and Wisconsin since they are also right to work and most of the Midwest states tend to have higher high school graduation rates than the south..

  62. @Anonymous
    Nature over nurture indeed: Robinson's mom had him when she was 17.

    Obama’s mother’s son here, Tony Robinson impregnated a 22-23 year old when just seventeen.

    Obviously being told by white lefties that he was an oppressed minority victim did his <=50% black mind a lot of good in terms of building his self respect. He seems to have compensated with having a white oppressor side by going the full Im Black Yall

    And what is more IBY than trying to punch out a cop????

  63. @SPMoore8
    I think the main story here is that the "executive director" of the "state's largest police union" is guilty of an incredibly cheap shot.

    If anyone has any specifics about the shooting, I'd appreciate a link.

    One thing about college towns, is that they are never, exclusively, college towns. (Well, Princeton.) Most of the time there's an "other side of the tracks" region where the poor, the druggies, the prostitutes, and the riffraff hang out. My experience is that the LEO's are pretty strict in those locations because they want to provide the students, who, whatever color they are, are usually very privileged, to act like overgrown high school students and act in irresponsible ways. So, yes, if the arrest records in college towns are inordinately high or disparate, that would be the reason why.

    Of course the kids don't know or care but at their age whenever someone gets killed it presents an opportunity to hold meetings, to show social consciousness, to march, and, not incidentally, to hook up. I saw it in the '60's, and it's the same thing, except that the causes are smaller. (Incidentally, I also saw it in video of the Arab Spring. Something about demonstrations, especially if there is non-lethal violence, really fits a script that young men and women are hungry for.)

    this is the funniest comment I’ve seen in a while. You should trumpet this from the mountain tops. Demonstrations = hooking up! No wonder I came out of college with no boyfriend, I never protested anything.

    PS you’re brilliant. I come to the comments section for just a few names, and you’re near the top. Also Harry Baldwin.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This is a good insight but not an original one. It has been well known for decades that leftist organizations and protests are great places to meet members of the opposite sex.
    , @Mike Sylwester

    Demonstrations = hooking up!
     
    I thought it was funny too.

    I attended college during the Vietnam War and went to some demonstrations. I was sincere about the cause, but I also always was looking to find a girlfriend there.

    I'm sure that's a part of the dynamic for many young fools participating in these current protests. They truly believe their White Privilege nonsense, and they truly want to find a sexual mate who shares that belief.

    And yes, SPMoore8 writes interesting, amusing comments.

    , @Anonymous Nephew
    Back in the day (in the UK) left-wing students often found that demonstrations (or the after-party when the hire transport got back to the student union bar) were good places to "pull".
    , @SPMoore8
    Thank you. Looks like you are posting from the Bay Area, which is where I am from. Thanks again, homie!
  64. I see a gain of the white north again. As mention Midwest states are going right to work which means the south has job competition. Also, the rocky mountain west from Utah up will gain as companies see white states have an advantage over the white/black south. It will take time. Remember North Dakota is cold but when there was a lot of fracking young whites went there. I predict you see some blue collar whites leaving Steve’s favorite states like Georgia and the Carolinas, and even Texas. In Arizona lately I have seen Texas plates which was more of a rarely in the past, if Indiana has some blue collar jobs and less minorities except Gary and Indianapolis then I can see whites moving back from the south to the Midwest.

  65. Einstein’s mother had him when she was 20 which means she was almost certainly a teen aged bride. Probably half the people aged 60 or older were born to mothers whose first baby was born when she was a teen. Nothing wrong with teen marriage and motherhood. The problems come from unmarried mothers of any age.

    Cristiano Rinaldo, world famous soccer player, became a single dad via a surrogate mother who was 20 years old. The child was, of course, born in the United States.

    • Replies: @CCG
    There are many rumors about Cristiano Ronaldo's son - but nothing confirmed. The alternative story out there is that he knocked up a woman during a one-night stand and then paid her off to get full custody of his son Ronaldo Junior when he was born. Ronaldo also purchased her silence on being the boy's mother. Another weird part of the story is that Ronaldo was in a live-in relationship with the Russian model Irina Shayk at the time, but she stayed with him anyway. He dumped her recently, so more fool her for having wasted 5 marriageable years with him (she's 29 now).
    , @Anonymous

    Cristiano Rinaldo, world famous soccer player, became a single dad via a surrogate mother who was 20 years old. The child was, of course, born in the United States.
     
    http://www.businessinsider.com/cristiano-ronaldo-real-madrid-surprise-football-2015-1
  66. @ic1000
    A few weeks back, NPR's "This American Life" broadcast Cops See It Differently, Part 1. It was an hour of radio (podcast) spent discussing policing and race in Milwaukee -- quite a different city from Madison, but also in Wisconsin, also very liberal, and also close to the Canadian border.

    Perhaps you've wondered, "How can progressives present their perspective about Racism And American Law Enforcement, without mentioning any of the key facts about race and crime?" That show's your answer.

    A couple of days ago a Massachusetts cop called an NPR show about racist policing. He said that he’d been called to several domestic violence incidents and been attacked by every member of the family. “You don’t know what it’s like. You have to look at who’s committing the crimes and who the victims are. I see kids having kids and they don’t care anything about ’em.” They hustled his ass off the air and took another call. They never acknowledged what he’d said.

    About 1990 I was arrested for attempting to steal a car radio just outside my apartment on West 88th St. I was innocent but so was everyone else in central booking that night. Out of maybe 200 people brought in over the course of a night, I was the only white person.

    A fun detail of that fond memory is that a crack dealer had made it in with his stash to the huge cell at central booking. Men cuffed in front sprawled out on benches sat up at the news. The perimeter of the cell was bars with thick Plexiglas attached to stop prisoners assaulting the police. The crack was stored like bullets in the knitted band of his jacked. Squeeze one side and out a hole on the other would pop a vile of crack. Crack was freely and openly smoked in central booking that night. The police at intervals would say, “Hey, cut that out.” Eventually, the lighter began to run low. I helpfully showed them how by holding down the plunger while spinning the striker one could start a tiny flame to light a used match that in turn could be used to vaporized cocaine. Not being a junkie, I had the steady hands, and gave out burning matches until even that method failed. I love to help people.

  67. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @The most deplorable one
    Science now tells us where some of the problems with blacks come from, it seems.

    Isn’t it funny? For the longest time we heard that the root of the problem with failure and crime was low self-esteem. I forget what context it was in, but as Ann Coulter pointed out, “If you’ve ever had any dealings with black women you know that they are never lacking in self-esteem and self-confidence.” So true. Asian women with Ph.D.’s in engineering from Stanford have less confidence in their abilities than some black female who has failed out of NC A&T School of Education three times.

  68. @stillCARealist
    this is the funniest comment I've seen in a while. You should trumpet this from the mountain tops. Demonstrations = hooking up! No wonder I came out of college with no boyfriend, I never protested anything.

    PS you're brilliant. I come to the comments section for just a few names, and you're near the top. Also Harry Baldwin.

    This is a good insight but not an original one. It has been well known for decades that leftist organizations and protests are great places to meet members of the opposite sex.

  69. @stillCARealist
    this is the funniest comment I've seen in a while. You should trumpet this from the mountain tops. Demonstrations = hooking up! No wonder I came out of college with no boyfriend, I never protested anything.

    PS you're brilliant. I come to the comments section for just a few names, and you're near the top. Also Harry Baldwin.

    Demonstrations = hooking up!

    I thought it was funny too.

    I attended college during the Vietnam War and went to some demonstrations. I was sincere about the cause, but I also always was looking to find a girlfriend there.

    I’m sure that’s a part of the dynamic for many young fools participating in these current protests. They truly believe their White Privilege nonsense, and they truly want to find a sexual mate who shares that belief.

    And yes, SPMoore8 writes interesting, amusing comments.

  70. @Jo S'more
    Einstein's mother had him when she was 20 which means she was almost certainly a teen aged bride. Probably half the people aged 60 or older were born to mothers whose first baby was born when she was a teen. Nothing wrong with teen marriage and motherhood. The problems come from unmarried mothers of any age.

    Yes, but Einstein was born in 1879, when average life expectancy was around 40 yrs – if you didn’t have children young, you might die before they were fully grown. In the modern context, teenage motherhood is associated (outside of religious sects) with low socioeconomic status (aka trashiness). Average age of US college educated mothers is now (and this is admittedly later than it should be) over 30.

    • Replies: @Exfernal

    when average life expectancy was around 40 yrs
     
    That was mainly because of high infant mortality. Compare it with average life expectancy for people >3yo of that period.
  71. @Boko
    Would you please explain "arrest rate?" It can't be that 59% of blacks have been arrested, can it? How do multiple arrests of the same guy figure in? What's the denominator and what's the numerator? Thanks.

    I think arrest rate is number of arrests per population total, so one guy can get multiple arrests over a year, say. I dunno if it includes juvenile arrests, since juvie records are pretty hidden. it may just be arrestd of those over 18. note that on average nationwide about 25% of black males 18 to 35 are either in prison or probation.

  72. How about all the blacks move back down south and live with the totally not racist Hispanics and all those incorrigible racist southern whites move north to live with all those incorrigible racist northern whites. Bang boom, no more racial problems- two different countries.

  73. @Marissa
    Einstein’s mother had him when she was 20 which means she was almost certainly a teen aged bride. Probably half the people aged 60 or older were born to mothers whose first baby was born when she was a teen. Nothing wrong with teen marriage and motherhood. The problems come from unmarried mothers of any age.

    Cristiano Rinaldo, world famous soccer player, became a single dad via a surrogate mother who was 20 years old. The child was, of course, born in the United States.

    There are many rumors about Cristiano Ronaldo’s son – but nothing confirmed. The alternative story out there is that he knocked up a woman during a one-night stand and then paid her off to get full custody of his son Ronaldo Junior when he was born. Ronaldo also purchased her silence on being the boy’s mother. Another weird part of the story is that Ronaldo was in a live-in relationship with the Russian model Irina Shayk at the time, but she stayed with him anyway. He dumped her recently, so more fool her for having wasted 5 marriageable years with him (she’s 29 now).

  74. @stillCARealist
    this is the funniest comment I've seen in a while. You should trumpet this from the mountain tops. Demonstrations = hooking up! No wonder I came out of college with no boyfriend, I never protested anything.

    PS you're brilliant. I come to the comments section for just a few names, and you're near the top. Also Harry Baldwin.

    Back in the day (in the UK) left-wing students often found that demonstrations (or the after-party when the hire transport got back to the student union bar) were good places to “pull”.

  75. @Buzz Mohawk
    Let's just go whole hog and have protests, vandalism, black-on-white assaults, and East-Coast-on-Midlands media attacks every single time a black person gets arrested, stopped, handcuffed, or otherwise looked at the wrong way by any cop whosoever. That's where this is going, and that's what a lot of dips*its would be perfectly happy with.

    We don't have a country anymore. Have I said this before?

    We don’t have a country anymore. Have I said this before?

    We do not have a *nation* anymore.

  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @European-American
    A chart of average black to white arrest ratio by state shows Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa are the most disproportionate states.
    The least disproportionate are Kentucky, Arkansas, and South Carolina.
    The further north you go, the clearer the pattern of discrimination becomes.

    https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1hBpR4DDx6vJRXpn97W9fVX1vwfQ9nlUXBsLclKiT

    When it comes to crime it isn’t correct to assume that black/white arrest ratios should be the same to prove non-discrimination, since, per FBI stats, blacks are but 13% of the population, yet commit 58% of all violent crimes and other crimes way out-of-proportion to their share of the population.

    Case in point: Blacks commit 10 times the number of murders as whites and Hispanics COMBINED.

    Holder and Obama disregard the over abundance of black crime, declaring blacks to be arrested more, because of racism. That’s so preposterous as to be outright stupid.

    But it is blacks who will pay the greatest for the lies told, because excusing their crime and violence and/or pretending it doesn’t exist will just cause more of the same, which is going to cause the entire black population to become dysfunctional, while Hispanics take their jobs.

    The future does not look good for Obama and Holder’s people if these lies continue to be told, instead of trying to rectify the situation. Screaming racism won’t do it.

  77. @stillCARealist
    this is the funniest comment I've seen in a while. You should trumpet this from the mountain tops. Demonstrations = hooking up! No wonder I came out of college with no boyfriend, I never protested anything.

    PS you're brilliant. I come to the comments section for just a few names, and you're near the top. Also Harry Baldwin.

    Thank you. Looks like you are posting from the Bay Area, which is where I am from. Thanks again, homie!

  78. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The arrests per 1000 citizens is the number of black arrests per 1000 black citizens, and number of white arrests per 1000 white citizens. Not the number of black arrests per 1000 total (i.e., white and black) citizens.

    Still, the numbers seem very high. There must a be small subset of blacks who get arrested many times per year, since obviously 60% of the blacks aren’t being arrested every year or two. Of course, I guess this includes traffic tickets, but still the number seems high unless there are a subset of blacks being arrested or ticketed over and over.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    It could be due to jail overcrowding. In LA County any sentence of less than 90 days gets you a trip to central processing, you are processed in, and processed out all on the same day. I can see somebody like that getting a number of convictions in a year if they were a low grade misdemeanor repeat offender,
    , @Anonymous
    I was once mistakenly arrested in Alameda County when my payment of a citation somehow went unrecorded. So I'm in the prisoner bus being transported to Santa Rita jail when the 40ish black guy next to me says to his homie, "I'm tired of goin' to jail four, five times a year. I'm gonna make a change!"
  79. @Jefferson
    Jamiel Shaw is a Black man who has a son who was murdered by an "Undocumented Immigrant". The only news channel that reported on it is Fox News and Right Wing sites like Breit Bart. But nobody on the Left and the African American community is outraged about it. This is how you know the "Black Lives Matter" movement is a farce.
    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/25/father-of-teen-killed-by-illegal-obama-doesnt-care-because-killer-isnt-white/

    It seems like in America Illegal Immigrants trump Blackness in the DIEversity food chain.

    I was at a NumbersUSA rally at Feinstein’s West LA office and met the Shaw family. I asked him why the Congressional Black Caucus didn’t look out for the interests of blacks with regard to runaway immigration, especially from south of the border. I told him that if the CBC joined the immigration restriction side it would effectively kill any attempt at amnesty. He said he didn’t have an answer. He talked to every black organization and nobody wanted to hear anything he had to say.

  80. @Anonymous
    @newrouter

    The arrests per 1000 citizens is the number of black arrests per 1000 black citizens, and number of white arrests per 1000 white citizens. Not the number of black arrests per 1000 total (i.e., white and black) citizens.

    Still, the numbers seem very high. There must a be small subset of blacks who get arrested many times per year, since obviously 60% of the blacks aren't being arrested every year or two. Of course, I guess this includes traffic tickets, but still the number seems high unless there are a subset of blacks being arrested or ticketed over and over.

    It could be due to jail overcrowding. In LA County any sentence of less than 90 days gets you a trip to central processing, you are processed in, and processed out all on the same day. I can see somebody like that getting a number of convictions in a year if they were a low grade misdemeanor repeat offender,

  81. @Marissa
    Einstein’s mother had him when she was 20 which means she was almost certainly a teen aged bride. Probably half the people aged 60 or older were born to mothers whose first baby was born when she was a teen. Nothing wrong with teen marriage and motherhood. The problems come from unmarried mothers of any age.

    Cristiano Rinaldo, world famous soccer player, became a single dad via a surrogate mother who was 20 years old. The child was, of course, born in the United States.

    Cristiano Rinaldo, world famous soccer player, became a single dad via a surrogate mother who was 20 years old. The child was, of course, born in the United States.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/cristiano-ronaldo-real-madrid-surprise-football-2015-1

  82. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @newrouter

    The arrests per 1000 citizens is the number of black arrests per 1000 black citizens, and number of white arrests per 1000 white citizens. Not the number of black arrests per 1000 total (i.e., white and black) citizens.

    Still, the numbers seem very high. There must a be small subset of blacks who get arrested many times per year, since obviously 60% of the blacks aren't being arrested every year or two. Of course, I guess this includes traffic tickets, but still the number seems high unless there are a subset of blacks being arrested or ticketed over and over.

    I was once mistakenly arrested in Alameda County when my payment of a citation somehow went unrecorded. So I’m in the prisoner bus being transported to Santa Rita jail when the 40ish black guy next to me says to his homie, “I’m tired of goin’ to jail four, five times a year. I’m gonna make a change!”

  83. “Case in point: Blacks commit 10 times the number of murders as whites and Hispanics COMBINED.”

    Hey Steve, you have another statistical genius.

  84. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @European-American
    A chart of average black to white arrest ratio by state shows Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa are the most disproportionate states.
    The least disproportionate are Kentucky, Arkansas, and South Carolina.
    The further north you go, the clearer the pattern of discrimination becomes.

    https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1hBpR4DDx6vJRXpn97W9fVX1vwfQ9nlUXBsLclKiT

    I think this is an interesting topic. I would assume that there is some mean of black criminality, which is probably about 3-4x or so overall, and more for violent crimes. In areas where there are large black populations, there is regression to the mean; in other words, the law of large numbers kicks in. In areas where there are few blacks, one of two things happen: (1) they have policies which have skewed their sample, like Madison. Madison once had essentially no blacks, but their recent “generous” welfare programs sucked away the worst welfare blacks from Chicago, essentially skimming the left tail of the curve; or (2) something happens to attract law-abiding blacks, or to convince the blacks there to obey the law. This might be as simple as being integrated into white society so that the culture of crime has no influence. But either way, I’d bet that most states in the left and right sides of that distribution (in your link) have fewer than 13% blacks (national average).

  85. @Jack D
    Yes, but Einstein was born in 1879, when average life expectancy was around 40 yrs - if you didn't have children young, you might die before they were fully grown. In the modern context, teenage motherhood is associated (outside of religious sects) with low socioeconomic status (aka trashiness). Average age of US college educated mothers is now (and this is admittedly later than it should be) over 30.

    when average life expectancy was around 40 yrs

    That was mainly because of high infant mortality. Compare it with average life expectancy for people >3yo of that period.

    • Replies: @Forbes

    That was mainly because of high infant mortality.
     
    Which reinforces the point of women having babies and starting young when a few won't survive, say age two.
  86. Does anyone know which bona fide city has the distinction of being highest? While it’s numbers are not as impressive as the left-leaning Madison, as a Los Angeles resident I find it funny that the smugly liberal Santa Monica comes in at 630.7 to 91, or 6.93x. To be fair, they have relatively few actual black residents but a fair number of black vagrants and homeless who hang out there (the homeless love Santa Monica’s climate – never too hot and rarely very cold). There might not be as many as there were 10 or 20 years ago, but still a lot. So that would really juice up the ratios. But most of my relatives or acquaintances from SM (excluding the closet center-right types) probably won’t be able to make that connection when I throw that number out at them (at least not immediately), since most lefties aren’t very intuitive about Math. Plus, there are a fair number white homeless there too, so that can’t explain it entirely.

  87. @Exfernal

    when average life expectancy was around 40 yrs
     
    That was mainly because of high infant mortality. Compare it with average life expectancy for people >3yo of that period.

    That was mainly because of high infant mortality.

    Which reinforces the point of women having babies and starting young when a few won’t survive, say age two.

  88. @Hubbub
    Blacks are about to run out their credit card balance some time soon, so the media and SJWs need to have another class of the aggrieved to bring into the fray. Much the same order of business, except it will be Browns (must be colored to equalize the Black element) and their historical grievances against the Whites - you know, Texas annexation, Gadsden Purchase, California, Oregon and the Rocky Mt. areas, slave wages - all naturally Hispanic homelands, torn from their grasp by rapacious and dastardly Anglos.

    The thing about diverse and multicultural societies is that this kind of blackmail can go on for the life of the nation, which will be shortened in the process. Then, these groups will move on to another feeding ground somewhere.

    Blacks are about to run out their credit card balance some time soon, so the media and SJWs need to have another class of the aggrieved to bring into the fray.

    What does “SJW” mean? I’m not up on wingnut acronyms.

  89. What does “SJW” mean? I’m not up on wingnut acronyms.

    Social Justice Warrior (derisive)

    Alt Liberaltarianish, not Wingnut

  90. Thanks. I thought it might be Single Jewish Woman, but it didn’t seem to fit. As a recovering telecommunications analyst, I avoid acronyms when possible.

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