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From The Atlantic:

The Horror of the Baltimore Police Department

A Department of Justice report finds widespread constitutional violations, discriminatory enforcement, and a culture of retaliation.

DAVID A. GRAHAM AUG 10, 2016

… In the wake of the failed prosecution of six officers for the death of Freddie Gray, the report serves as a reminder that rather than an isolated crime, the Gray case was symptomatic of a force that regularly arrested people for insufficient reasons, or no reasons at all, and used excessive force against them—but particularly, and uniquely, black citizens of the city. The Justice Department makes clear that African Americans in Baltimore were targeted and abused by the police, making this report a twin to the department’s report on Ferguson, Missouri, which my colleague Conor Friedersdorf wrote indicated a “conspiracy against black citizens.”

From the New York Times last January:

The Numbers Behind Baltimore’s Record Year in Homicides
By JESS BIDGOOD JAN. 15, 2016

Searching for answers in the deadliest year in Baltimore’s history

After the April death of Freddie Gray, a black man who died from injuries sustained while detained by the Baltimore police, the city had its worst riots in more than four decades. Now, the city is waiting warily as legal proceedings against the six officers charged in Mr. Gray’s death move through the courts. But Baltimore is also in the throes of another crisis: A sharp increase in homicides that, by the end of the year, left the city with the highest per-capita murder rate in its history. …

In 2014, Baltimore had 211 homicides, which the Police Department said was the city’s second-lowest number since 1972. By the end of 2015, the number of homicides rose to 344.

But who cares about the Black Lives Matter movement inspiring a 63% increase in murder victims? The problem with Baltimore, according to the Justice Department, is too much law and order.

A commenter at The Atlantic offered a dissenting perspective:

petefrombaltimore • 3 hours ago
I was riding in a truck through Northeast Baltimore, today. And saw dozens of young men openly selling drugs. And saw at least 5 different women selling themselves on the streets for drug money.

So I’m confused about this narrative of Baltimore being some sort of authoritarian society? What I see on a regular basis is cop cars driving right past drug dealers. 911 operators refusing to send police officers to scenes of crimes in progress. Even when 5 or 6 people on a block call to complain about a fight, or drug dealing. And I’ve personally seen young kids ride illegal motor bikes right in front of police. To the point that they popped wheelies about 20 inches from a cops face. And laughed at the cop while they taunted him with the wheelie

Pot is openly smoked in Baltimore. Many streets and local parks reek of pot smoke.

Young teens openly walk through alleys. Looking into each back yard. Looking for things to steal. Or walk up to each car on the street. Blatantly peering into he car or trying the lock.

I wish that Baltimore was as authoritarian as David Grahm claims. But the sad fact is that criminals in Baltimore are pretty much allowed to do whatever they want to. Up to, and including, burning down a CVS while the police are told to stay out of the way

 
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  1. Meanwhile, Chicago on Monday experienced it’s worst day for homicides in ten years with nine people murdered.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/nine-people-fatally-shot-in-chicago-marking-citys-deadliest-day-in-more-than-a-decade-10-more-wounded/

    Tell us about black lives mattering.

  2. James LaFond’s blog is an invaluable resource for grasping the current state of affairs in urban America in general and the Baltimore ghetto in particular. He is a stale, pale male who lives and works in the ‘hood in Bodymore, and he provides street-level HUMINT that is hard to come by. LaFond is a prolific poster (as well as an author) and his commentary tracks that of petefrombaltimore 100%.

    • Replies: @donut
    @SteveRogers42

    No link ?

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

  3. Related to what commenter “petefrombaltimore” in The Atlantic observes:

    Linh Dinh about everyday life at Detroit’s innercity schools – in the first half of his brilliant article:

    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/obscured-american-hank-the-small-business-financial-advisor/

  4. Seen from another perspective, the Blacks in Baltimore will soon get the low-key policing they ask for, balanced with the cliche that you had better be careful about what you ask for because you might get it. The Black citizens of Baltimore will soon get the law and order they deserve. Predict that Baltimore will eventually become another African “bantustan” within the contiguous United States.

    One might call all of this … BLM, anti-cop, low marriage rates, high out-of-wedlock pregnancy rates, mindless violence, pervasive drug addiction … a Back to Africa movement. Regardless of affirmative action, diversity, safe spaces, and reparations camouflaged as welfare can make Africans into Northern Europeans. The cultural and social (and perhaps genetic) divide between sub-Saharan Africans and especially Northern Europeans is simply too broad to bridge. It is a permanent condition.

    The United States tried a 52-year long experiment in racial and cultural integration costing trillions of dollars. The experiment destroyed model school systems, neighborhoods, communities, and whole cities in a social experiment to change the culture of its citizens … by force. It displaced tens of millions of people as internal refugees as citizens lost the fundamental right of association. The program was perhaps modeled on the Reconstruction of the South after the Civil War, although this time it was imposed on the entire population. It failed.

    • Replies: @Jim
    @TheJester

    Perhaps genetic? - Genetics is a substantial part of all human behavior. Of course the differences between Europeans and Africans is stronglyy genetic.

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @TheJester

    And smack dab in the middle of this festering reservation: Johns Hopkins University, America's premier medical college.

    The history of prestigious academic institutions once located in white centers of influence and culture that now require their own police forces is an under-reported one.

    Replies: @Ed, @Almost Missouri, @Jack D, @Alden, @Buffalo Joe

    , @bomag
    @TheJester


    52-year long experiment in racial and cultural integration costing trillions of dollars
     
    I get a vibe from reading about pre-1960 America that people often did their own law enforcement, e.g. Emmett Till; mobsters. Progress via J. Edgar Hoover et al brought us a professional enough police force that they could promise to police integration enough to let us reap all the benefits of that idea. But, to paraphrase, Blacks can stay criminal longer than we can stay solvent.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @TheJester

    TheJester, for whatever reason that I can't fathom, black women seem content to raise, actually not raise, the criminal element that terrorizes the streets of Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, etc. These criminals, these thugs, are not refugees having a hard time adjusting to life in America. These criminals are born and bred in these cities and somehow it doesn't seem to faze the mothers that they are raising their sons to have little or no chance to succeed in life. I watched a documentary about the dirt bike riders that terrorize Baltimore streets by riding in packs on sidewalks or against traffic. The doc, titled "Twelve O'clock Boys," follows a young 12 year old boy, Pug, as he tries to become an urban dirt biker. At 12 years he is already tattooed and at on point his mother gets mad because the school has informed her that Pug hasn't been to school in six weeks, but she didn't know that, because she is busy with her new baby. In Buffalo, the average number of days missed by BPS students is 35 days, or about SEVEN weeks. And suddenly, you have crime and criminals, who knew?

    , @SteveRogers42
    @TheJester

    It's 2016. We could have cities on the moon. Instead, we set fire to a trillion dollars and twisted our entire society and culture into an unrecognizeable mess in a futile attempt to do something far more difficult than mere interplanetary travel.

  5. Life imitates art yet again. From what the Atlantic commenter said, it sounds like the Baltimore police are becoming more like “The Wire” Captain Bunny Colvin with his “Hamsterdam” drug tolerance policy.

  6. …rather than an isolated crime, the Gray case…

    I’m no legal eagle, not even an Atlantic hack, but isn’t it begging the question to refer to the Gray case as a ‘crime’?
    It’s worse than that if it’s already been settled that there was no crime.

    • LOL: Abe
  7. It was not that long ago when the NYTimes was singing a different tune about the Charm City cops.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/18/us/ashes-and-tears-in-lost-battle-of-drug-war.html

    The short version is a woman in one of the ghetto neighborhoods started calling the cops on the drug dealers. The drug dealers fire bombed her house killing her and her six kids. They arrested her neighbor, a former page to the City Council, but everyone assumes he was hired by the drug gangs.

    • Replies: @donut
    @The Z Blog

    I have commented on this incident before . What happened to that woman and those children was an outrage. I myself thought at the time that the cops were in on it . How else to explain such a travesty ? Indifference , incompetence a broke down legal system ? If snitches get stitches it's with the compliance of law enforcement , the courts and our our ever vigilance "human rights" activists .

    Replies: @Kyle

  8. Obama wants to federalize all our country’s police forces.

    Every time some Black is killed by a police officer, he will send an investigative team to the town. If Obama can put a White police officer on trial for the killing then he will do so. At the very least, the team will find that the police department is so full of racists, that federalism is the only solution.

  9. It’s been pointed out here many times that one of the most important determinants of a nation’s success is the median IQ…same thing with cities. For most of my adult life I lived in DC and spent a lot of time in Baltimore as well since I had many friends who moved there for cheaper housing. In short, the average black resident of either city is just not smart – I grew up in a large city that was 30% black and both of my parents are from large cities with large black populations and the blacks in all three places are just smarter than those in DC/Baltimore, which also means everyone gets along a lot better too.

    I recall the Washington Post pointing out in an article on education that poor black kids in NYC are two grade levels ahead of comparable kids in DC – the piece looked for technocratic reasons why this might be the case, but the simple answer is that one city just has a more intelligent group than the other and no amount of educational “reform” is going to close what is essentially a built in gap. Some cities have an unusual amount of human detritus – the only answer is to try and make them someone else’s problem, which is what administrations in DC and Chicago have tried to do over the last 10-15 years, with some success.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Arclight

    Presumably the average NYC resident of African descent has significantly more European blood than the average DC resident of African descent

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

    , @Forbes
    @Arclight

    If poor black kids in NYC are two grades ahead of the comparable DC cohort, that is truly depressing, as NYC schools are pretty horrible for poor black kids.

    , @Anonymous
    @Arclight

    I recall the Washington Post pointing out in an article on education that poor black kids in NYC are two grade levels ahead of comparable kids in DC

    Were post-Civil War Africans (from Africa, West Indies) included in the populations? There seem to be more in NYC.

    , @Kyle
    @Arclight

    "Our negros are better than your negros."

    , @Olorin
    @Arclight

    Actually, it's (distribution around) mean IQ, not (absolute) median IQ, that's the issue.

    But here's the thing. For half a century and many trillions of dollars, DWLs and their neocon doppelgangers have pushed the idea that we have to save blacks, and failing that (which is inevitable), we have to save The Talented Tenth.

    On the mean IQ distribution, the top 10 percent of blacks starts at a point above which about 40% of whites and 50% of Asians fall.

    Those blacks got out of Bodymore a long time ago, just as they got out of Camden, Chester, and Detroit. We hear all the time about the evils of "white flight." But never a peep about blacks of mean to plus-1 IQ ditching low IQ, disorderly blacks FOR THE EXACT SAME REASONS.

    We might argue that the failure of the "civil rights"/"affirmative action" experiment is precisely that it was so good at removing talented blacks from their own communities. Those who stay, or go back, face a genetic situation that no amount of politics or ideology can fix.

    Instead we get this demented pap about the Baltimaumau's problem being Too Much Law And Order.

    Considering who David A. Graham is might go a long way toward clearing this up, and here is one example:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/fashion/weddings/leslie-griffith-david-graham-weddings.html

    Perhaps he was traumatized at Duke by all the Rape Culture or something.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @artichoke

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Arclight

    Arc, I am not a biologist or geneticist, but when one man fathers 8,10 or 12 kids with seven or eight different women, and one women has 6, 7 or 8 kids with as many men, I think, and I could be wrong , that eventually you have cousins breeding with cousins. And I also think that in cities, such as Baltimore, the out of wedlock rates, in the inner city, approaches 100%.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  10. Who calls cannabis “pot”? What is it, 1975?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AndrewR

    I'll give you 99 to 1 that Pete is an old white dude (by old I mean boomer like Steve and I and many of the other folks around here). Us old white dudes use outdated words like pot and free speech in an unironic way. Even though we are open minded, we are not so open minded that our brains have fallen out like the SJWs at the DOJ, so when people piss on our shoes and tell us it's raining, we are not inclined to believe them.

    But, to the new generation, we are just old white dudes - can't wait for us to die so they can get on with the new multiracial majority America where the police don't hassle brown people and which will be just great once old racis's like us die. It's almost as if the people saying this were born yesterday and don't remember why it was that police started doing "broken windows" policing in the 1st place and what it was like when Times Square was a den of iniquity instead of the place to see Disney's Lion King.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @EriK
    @AndrewR

    I guessing you really don't like my preferred term, dope.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @AndrewR

    The term "pot" is still used, even by High Times. It's "grass" you don't here anymore.

    , @Anonym
    @AndrewR

    What drugs are you on? What the rest of the world terms a 'pot head', you call? Though it reached a peak in 1970 and earlier, modern usage is stable, and dare I say it, groovy. Don't harsh our mellow.

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Pot+head&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2CPot%20head%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bpot%20head%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BPot%20Head%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BPot%20head%3B%2Cc0

    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @AndrewR


    Who calls cannabis “pot”? What is it, 1975?
     
    Who other than a botanist, calls it "cannabis?"

    Most people refer to it as "weed," "herbage," or some term along those lines.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Brutusale
    @AndrewR

    Heaven forbid that someone roll out Mary Jane!

  11. @Arclight
    It's been pointed out here many times that one of the most important determinants of a nation's success is the median IQ...same thing with cities. For most of my adult life I lived in DC and spent a lot of time in Baltimore as well since I had many friends who moved there for cheaper housing. In short, the average black resident of either city is just not smart - I grew up in a large city that was 30% black and both of my parents are from large cities with large black populations and the blacks in all three places are just smarter than those in DC/Baltimore, which also means everyone gets along a lot better too.

    I recall the Washington Post pointing out in an article on education that poor black kids in NYC are two grade levels ahead of comparable kids in DC - the piece looked for technocratic reasons why this might be the case, but the simple answer is that one city just has a more intelligent group than the other and no amount of educational "reform" is going to close what is essentially a built in gap. Some cities have an unusual amount of human detritus - the only answer is to try and make them someone else's problem, which is what administrations in DC and Chicago have tried to do over the last 10-15 years, with some success.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Forbes, @Anonymous, @Kyle, @Olorin, @Buffalo Joe

    Presumably the average NYC resident of African descent has significantly more European blood than the average DC resident of African descent

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @AndrewR

    At one time didn't the smartest Blacks in the country flock to NYC? The "Harlem Renaissance" and that sort of thing.

  12. Well, yeah. The criminal trials of the Baltimore cops ended in a debacle, making the (black) mayor and (black) prosecutor look silly. The whole White Cops Killing Blacks narrative is losing momentum as a result. What to do?
    Have the politicized Justice Dep’t issue some fabricated report , finding that there are Other Bad Things going on, seize control of the Baltimore Police Dep’t , and move on to the next crisis.

  13. It’s not inconceivable that Baltimore cops went from abusive to negligent. In fact, those seem to be the only two settings of most US law enforcement departments.

    I do think it’s funny in a tragic way that Friedersdorf is considered a “conservative.”

    • Replies: @JerryC
    @AndrewR


    It’s not inconceivable that Baltimore cops went from abusive to negligent. In fact, those seem to be the only two settings of most US law enforcement departments.
     
    I think that's because having to deal with the dregs of Baltimore society on a daily basis would turn just about anyone into a callous, brutal asshole, if you weren't one in the first place. How could one even survive in that job without being kind of an overbearing dickhead? That's why the problem is more or less unsolveable.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Jack D
    @AndrewR

    "not inconceivable" - what a quaint, British understatement. It's fracking obvious that that is what happened. In a ghetto community, either the police are out there kicking ass and trying to keep some semblance of public order or else they are eating donuts and letting the feral wolves rule the streets. There is no in-between possible. It's the same as places like Iraq and Egypt - either there is someone there to keep a lid on things or else people will run wild. There's no internal superego in these places - if there is not some external force keeping them from taking your rims (or maybe even your life), they will take them in a second with no qualms. The idea that you can have a police force in those places that spends its time giving anti-drug lectures in schools (that seemed to be the main job of my local suburban police force) and stopping old white ladies and young black dudes in equal proportions, like some urban TSA, is laughable.

    Replies: @Alden, @SteveRogers42

  14. Reading through the comments on the Atlantic it is difficult to tell who is being serious and who is being sarcastic.

  15. “In short, the average black resident of either city is just not smart”

    All the black people who have the means to get the hell out of Baltimore/DC do so and relocate to the suburbs — Columbia, Bowie, etc.

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Vanita Gupta, head of DOJ Civil Rights Division and head of this report, found similar discrimination against blacks in Ferguson, MO.

    http://blogs.law.nyu.edu/magazine/2015/a-head-with-heart/

    Gupta (the oldest-looking 42-year old, btw) lives in he 22201 zip code of Arlington, VA, where the black population is 4.1 % (only 0.4% higher than number of blacks in Burlington, VT.

    http://www.redstate.com/diary/brucemajors/2015/05/21/vanita-gupta-loves-black-people/

  17. • Replies: @candid_observer
    @bigduke6

    You can see the fullness of life experience etched into that face.

    He's the guy you who will be willing to give you the low-down when grappling with the grittier facts of American society.

  18. Let’s see – about ten weeks before a hotly contested general election, the highly politicized Obama Justice Department releases a report detailing widespread abuses and racism in the Baltimore police department. No surprises here – just what we should expect. Baltimore (about two-thirds black) has a black mayor, a black states attorney, a black majority city council and a police department that itself is half black. No wonder there’s such extensive racism. Oh, wait – the police commissioner is white. There, that proves it. I feel better now.

  19. If you corner a hard core true believer leftist that works in the DOJ and helped compile this report about the Baltimore PD, he or she or xe or it will claim that the abusive cops are the cause of the increased black violent crime rate.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @countenance

    Some years ago, a black "journalist" claimed that black crime is caused by reporting on it.

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @Almost Missouri

    , @SteveRogers42
    @countenance

    "All the cops are criminals, and all the sinners saints"

    --Old White Man

  20. “the only answer”

    there’s another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @helena

    "there’s another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals."

    Maybe those "communities" (as inner-city ghettos are so often misnamed) are getting exactly what they want.

    Replies: @helena

    , @Oliver Ironside
    @helena


    there’s another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.
     
    I've made this point over and over again. There may be kids who have potential in the ghetto, but is it really worth the time, effort, and resources spent to identify those "kids with potential" and then do everything we can to make sure they achieve that potential by showering them with affirmative action and letting all the other detritus run wild? We're at the point we're an old lady isn't allowed to clutch her purse and cross the street when she sees "this youth with potential" because of the terrible psychological impact of this heinous microaggression on the poor "youth with potential."

    I say screw it. We all have obstacles to success in our lives. The obstacles to these "youth with potential" are primarily other blacks and the fact that they look like them. They can transcend those obstacles or they can not, but they aren't being held back by any kind of institutional racism or anything silly like that. Best of luck to them, but I'm not interested in turning everything on its head to pick the grain from the feces. That's an incredibly stupid thing to do. We should be maximizing the potential of our very best, not sifting through feces.
    , @Jack D
    @helena

    I DO believe in fairies, I DO believe in fairies....

    Everyone would love to believe that the black community is just filled with untapped potential, with Good Will Hunting type janitors who are secretly math geniuses. It just ain't so. You could reform the schools (that's been tried up the wazoo), reform the black community, reform the black family (all easier said than done in a free society), etc. and gentle giant D'Shavious and his girlfriend Jeantel will still have an 85 IQ and will still be best suited for life in an agrarian society and have no useful role to play in a post-industrial society, so they will be, one way or another, wards of the state for their entire life (or else they would literally starve). No matter what you do, you can't make a housepet out of a hyena.

    Yes, there is a smarter fraction in the black community (by smart I don't mean Feynman smart, just above 100 IQ and capable of working in a modern society smart) of around 15 or 20% but these have moved out of the ghetto long ago so what is left behind is largely devoid of untapped potential.

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @helena, @SteveRogers42, @snorlax

    , @Andrew Jackson
    @helena


    there’s another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

     

    I’ve made this point over and over again. There may be kids who have potential in the ghetto, but is it really worth the time, effort, and resources spent to identify those “kids with potential” and then do everything we can to make sure they achieve that potential by showering them with affirmative action and letting all the other detritus run wild? We’re at the point we’re an old lady isn’t allowed to clutch her purse and cross the street when she sees “this youth with potential” because of the terrible psychological impact of this heinous microaggression on the poor “youth with potential.”

    I say screw it. We all have obstacles to success in our lives. The obstacles to these “youth with potential” are primarily other blacks and the fact that they look like them. They can transcend those obstacles or they can not, but they aren’t being held back by any kind of institutional racism or anything silly like that. Best of luck to them, but I’m not interested in turning everything on its head to pick the grain from the feces. That’s an incredibly stupid thing to do. We should be maximizing the potential of our very best, not sifting through feces.

    Replies: @helena, @Forbes

    , @Kylie
    @helena

    Based solely on this comment, I'd say you're part of the problem.

    Seriously.

    Replies: @helena

    , @William Badwhite
    @helena

    "what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken."

    In debate terms this is what is known as a baseless assertion. You merely stated an opinion, masquerading as fact.

    There is zero evidence that the "vicious cycle" can be broken.

    Replies: @helena

    , @Olorin
    @helena

    You are assuming that these "communities" want the same things you do.

    You racist.

    Replies: @helena

  21. The end of policing in the coastal cities may drive out what’s left of the non-elite white population, but it ensures that all the police outrages will be in the icky, redneck states.

  22. @countenance
    If you corner a hard core true believer leftist that works in the DOJ and helped compile this report about the Baltimore PD, he or she or xe or it will claim that the abusive cops are the cause of the increased black violent crime rate.

    Replies: @David In TN, @SteveRogers42

    Some years ago, a black “journalist” claimed that black crime is caused by reporting on it.

    • Replies: @Grandpa Jack
    @David In TN

    "Some years ago, a black “journalist” claimed that black crime is caused by reporting on it."


    A true believer in the "tree doesn't make a sound if no one is around to hear it" philosophy. Of course, he'd have a hard time explaining why blacks are committing so much more crime per capita than whites, as the media over-reports white crimes and under-reports black ones.

    Replies: @Forbes

    , @Almost Missouri
    @David In TN

    Well, we've stopped reporting on it, so the black crime rate must be near zero now, right? Right?

  23. @TheJester
    Seen from another perspective, the Blacks in Baltimore will soon get the low-key policing they ask for, balanced with the cliche that you had better be careful about what you ask for because you might get it. The Black citizens of Baltimore will soon get the law and order they deserve. Predict that Baltimore will eventually become another African "bantustan" within the contiguous United States.

    One might call all of this ... BLM, anti-cop, low marriage rates, high out-of-wedlock pregnancy rates, mindless violence, pervasive drug addiction ... a Back to Africa movement. Regardless of affirmative action, diversity, safe spaces, and reparations camouflaged as welfare can make Africans into Northern Europeans. The cultural and social (and perhaps genetic) divide between sub-Saharan Africans and especially Northern Europeans is simply too broad to bridge. It is a permanent condition.

    The United States tried a 52-year long experiment in racial and cultural integration costing trillions of dollars. The experiment destroyed model school systems, neighborhoods, communities, and whole cities in a social experiment to change the culture of its citizens ... by force. It displaced tens of millions of people as internal refugees as citizens lost the fundamental right of association. The program was perhaps modeled on the Reconstruction of the South after the Civil War, although this time it was imposed on the entire population. It failed.

    Replies: @Jim, @The Anti-Gnostic, @bomag, @Buffalo Joe, @SteveRogers42

    Perhaps genetic? – Genetics is a substantial part of all human behavior. Of course the differences between Europeans and Africans is stronglyy genetic.

  24. Drudge today has links to stories about open drug use in NYC subways and parks.

  25. @Arclight
    It's been pointed out here many times that one of the most important determinants of a nation's success is the median IQ...same thing with cities. For most of my adult life I lived in DC and spent a lot of time in Baltimore as well since I had many friends who moved there for cheaper housing. In short, the average black resident of either city is just not smart - I grew up in a large city that was 30% black and both of my parents are from large cities with large black populations and the blacks in all three places are just smarter than those in DC/Baltimore, which also means everyone gets along a lot better too.

    I recall the Washington Post pointing out in an article on education that poor black kids in NYC are two grade levels ahead of comparable kids in DC - the piece looked for technocratic reasons why this might be the case, but the simple answer is that one city just has a more intelligent group than the other and no amount of educational "reform" is going to close what is essentially a built in gap. Some cities have an unusual amount of human detritus - the only answer is to try and make them someone else's problem, which is what administrations in DC and Chicago have tried to do over the last 10-15 years, with some success.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Forbes, @Anonymous, @Kyle, @Olorin, @Buffalo Joe

    If poor black kids in NYC are two grades ahead of the comparable DC cohort, that is truly depressing, as NYC schools are pretty horrible for poor black kids.

  26. @helena
    "the only answer"

    there's another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Oliver Ironside, @Jack D, @Andrew Jackson, @Kylie, @William Badwhite, @Olorin

    “there’s another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals.”

    Maybe those “communities” (as inner-city ghettos are so often misnamed) are getting exactly what they want.

    • Replies: @helena
    @Mr. Anon

    well they are in a way but a series of 'last man standing' type competitions might be preferable to shoot-outs. http://www.bbc.co.uk/lastmanstanding/athletes/ - except there's no info about it but it was a really good 'documentary' about european athletes travelling round the world playing in native sports - heel kicking, waste-grabbing, stick wielding - all different.

  27. What if the endgame here is exactly that: federal control over the police? We can do for our police departments what we did for education! No policeman left behind!

  28. @AndrewR
    It's not inconceivable that Baltimore cops went from abusive to negligent. In fact, those seem to be the only two settings of most US law enforcement departments.

    I do think it's funny in a tragic way that Friedersdorf is considered a "conservative."

    Replies: @JerryC, @Jack D

    It’s not inconceivable that Baltimore cops went from abusive to negligent. In fact, those seem to be the only two settings of most US law enforcement departments.

    I think that’s because having to deal with the dregs of Baltimore society on a daily basis would turn just about anyone into a callous, brutal asshole, if you weren’t one in the first place. How could one even survive in that job without being kind of an overbearing dickhead? That’s why the problem is more or less unsolveable.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @JerryC


    How could one even survive in that job without being kind of an overbearing dickhead?
     
    Important point.

    This BLM stuff will probably increase police misbehavior in the fewer interactions with various protected minorities, since it drives out "normal" people and leaves even more room for thugs-in-costume to move in.
  29. @helena
    "the only answer"

    there's another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Oliver Ironside, @Jack D, @Andrew Jackson, @Kylie, @William Badwhite, @Olorin

    there’s another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

    I’ve made this point over and over again. There may be kids who have potential in the ghetto, but is it really worth the time, effort, and resources spent to identify those “kids with potential” and then do everything we can to make sure they achieve that potential by showering them with affirmative action and letting all the other detritus run wild? We’re at the point we’re an old lady isn’t allowed to clutch her purse and cross the street when she sees “this youth with potential” because of the terrible psychological impact of this heinous microaggression on the poor “youth with potential.”

    I say screw it. We all have obstacles to success in our lives. The obstacles to these “youth with potential” are primarily other blacks and the fact that they look like them. They can transcend those obstacles or they can not, but they aren’t being held back by any kind of institutional racism or anything silly like that. Best of luck to them, but I’m not interested in turning everything on its head to pick the grain from the feces. That’s an incredibly stupid thing to do. We should be maximizing the potential of our very best, not sifting through feces.

  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The report drily comments, “Although we are not aware of any data tracking the precise rate at which people of different races play cards or dice, it is extremely unlikely that African Americans comprise 99 percent of those doing so.”

    uhhhhh but the game of “dice” being played in the streets is exclusively black and furthermore that’s a well known fact in our culture…

  31. Steve,

    if you ever seen the documentary “12 O’Clock Boys” (about black, illegal dirt bike riders who take over Baltimore whenever they want), you know law and order doesn’t exist in 65 percent black Baltimore.

    Trailer –>

    Worse, the cops KNOW most of the bikes are stolen and do nothing about it, because they fear what would when the black community gets upset that their black sons lose the ability to ride around on stolen bikes unmolested…

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2015/09/if-almost-all-of-dirt-bikes-in.html

    From the above article (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/08/09/police-in-riot-gear-attempt-to-clear-large-crowd-of-dirt-bikers-in-baltimore/):

    “They impose a very immediate and extreme danger, to the community as they do not ordinarily follow traffic rules and regulations,” said Marc Partee, Commander North West District.

    “This is not a sport, this is not fun, and it continues to drain my resources and the individuals that actually live in the community are not happy with it all,” Partee said.

    According to authorities, a majority of these dirt bikes are stolen and encourage people to report them when spotted.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Paul Kersey

    Paul, I responded to another commenter and mentioned "12 O'clock Boys." Saddest part is that the main character is a 12 year old boy, Pug, who has no chance at a normal life, because his mother is basically a POS.

    Replies: @Olorin, @Ozymandias

    , @Brutusale
    @Paul Kersey

    It stated up in Boston last spring. Neither the residents nor the cops were amused, and they shut that stuff down immediately.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2016/05/boston_cops_seize_22_dirt_bikes_atvs

    The Boston cops have stuck with the Bratton strategy. The black ministers that usually start the trouble know that when they go up against the BPD they'd better have their facts straight.

  32. @AndrewR
    Who calls cannabis "pot"? What is it, 1975?

    Replies: @Jack D, @EriK, @Harry Baldwin, @Anonym, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @Brutusale

    I’ll give you 99 to 1 that Pete is an old white dude (by old I mean boomer like Steve and I and many of the other folks around here). Us old white dudes use outdated words like pot and free speech in an unironic way. Even though we are open minded, we are not so open minded that our brains have fallen out like the SJWs at the DOJ, so when people piss on our shoes and tell us it’s raining, we are not inclined to believe them.

    But, to the new generation, we are just old white dudes – can’t wait for us to die so they can get on with the new multiracial majority America where the police don’t hassle brown people and which will be just great once old racis’s like us die. It’s almost as if the people saying this were born yesterday and don’t remember why it was that police started doing “broken windows” policing in the 1st place and what it was like when Times Square was a den of iniquity instead of the place to see Disney’s Lion King.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jack D

    The commercial growers of marijuana in California call it weed. Dope is still popular

  33. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Since Baltimore’s power structure is almost completely black, and the cops are ignoring crime, I predict the remaining whites and non-welfare blacks will move out of the city to avoid the rise in crime and the tax base will utterly collapse. At this point, Baltimore will turn into Detroit.

    The only thing that might potentially bail the city out is its location on the Northeast population corridor, and the extreme high prices of real estate and cost of living in that region. A future Maryland governor may attempt a coup (ala Michigan’s governor) to undermine the city’s black political structure, ship out the poor blacks by refusing to give them new housing vouchers in the city, and in sum, attempt to gentrify the city. Baltimore’s location and housing prices are such that there’s too much potential money to be made by the elite white power structure to allow it to descend into black chaos. It’s not a bad commute from Washington. It could become one big bedroom community for whites and nice whitetopia. It’s located on the water and is well connected by highways. If you could get rid of all the blacks, Baltimore would be great place to live.

    • Replies: @artichoke
    @Anon

    The neighborhood around Johns Hopkins and northeast from there is very nice. We stayed out of the rest. But even at Johns Hopkins, they don't let the summer camp kids run around outside the same as on other campuses in small towns that also run similar camps. It was pretty locked down.

  34. @Arclight
    It's been pointed out here many times that one of the most important determinants of a nation's success is the median IQ...same thing with cities. For most of my adult life I lived in DC and spent a lot of time in Baltimore as well since I had many friends who moved there for cheaper housing. In short, the average black resident of either city is just not smart - I grew up in a large city that was 30% black and both of my parents are from large cities with large black populations and the blacks in all three places are just smarter than those in DC/Baltimore, which also means everyone gets along a lot better too.

    I recall the Washington Post pointing out in an article on education that poor black kids in NYC are two grade levels ahead of comparable kids in DC - the piece looked for technocratic reasons why this might be the case, but the simple answer is that one city just has a more intelligent group than the other and no amount of educational "reform" is going to close what is essentially a built in gap. Some cities have an unusual amount of human detritus - the only answer is to try and make them someone else's problem, which is what administrations in DC and Chicago have tried to do over the last 10-15 years, with some success.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Forbes, @Anonymous, @Kyle, @Olorin, @Buffalo Joe

    I recall the Washington Post pointing out in an article on education that poor black kids in NYC are two grade levels ahead of comparable kids in DC

    Were post-Civil War Africans (from Africa, West Indies) included in the populations? There seem to be more in NYC.

  35. On the subject of whether having more black police officers would be a solution, I recall an interview with Bob Teague, a black reporter who worked for NBC in New York in the 1980s, in which he said, “Blacks are more inclined to create police work than to perform it.”

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Harry Baldwin

    I feel like I remember DC trying to boost the number of black police officers a decade or so ago.

    It didn't turn out well.

  36. @AndrewR
    Who calls cannabis "pot"? What is it, 1975?

    Replies: @Jack D, @EriK, @Harry Baldwin, @Anonym, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @Brutusale

    I guessing you really don’t like my preferred term, dope.

  37. @helena
    "the only answer"

    there's another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Oliver Ironside, @Jack D, @Andrew Jackson, @Kylie, @William Badwhite, @Olorin

    I DO believe in fairies, I DO believe in fairies….

    Everyone would love to believe that the black community is just filled with untapped potential, with Good Will Hunting type janitors who are secretly math geniuses. It just ain’t so. You could reform the schools (that’s been tried up the wazoo), reform the black community, reform the black family (all easier said than done in a free society), etc. and gentle giant D’Shavious and his girlfriend Jeantel will still have an 85 IQ and will still be best suited for life in an agrarian society and have no useful role to play in a post-industrial society, so they will be, one way or another, wards of the state for their entire life (or else they would literally starve). No matter what you do, you can’t make a housepet out of a hyena.

    Yes, there is a smarter fraction in the black community (by smart I don’t mean Feynman smart, just above 100 IQ and capable of working in a modern society smart) of around 15 or 20% but these have moved out of the ghetto long ago so what is left behind is largely devoid of untapped potential.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Grandpa Jack
    @Jack D

    "No matter what you do, you can’t make a housepet out of a hyena."

    Nevertheless, I hear there are some Somalian geniuses working on this very problem even as we speak.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    , @helena
    @Jack D

    that's not what i said, i said potential. in fact they all have potential and they are not reaching it in the confines of european culture. two avenues need to be pursued, a)integration into european professions b) a disctinct self-determined working class. and help with credit unions, small business, youth and community, etc. but it can't happen as long as folks cling on to BLM and reparation and welfare.

    Replies: @bomag, @Buffalo Joe

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Jack D

    Wasn't it Booker T. who talked about (and personified) the "Talented Tenth"? He also stated that they had a duty to lead the rest of their people. But as you say, since the black bourgeoisie has long since fled the ghetto, there's no one left to hire and inspire the other 90%.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    , @snorlax
    @Jack D


    Good Will Hunting type janitors who are secretly math geniuses.
     
    One of my favorite professors, an un-PC, barrel-chested Russian Jew who's a legitimate math genius, went on a hilarious tangent about how he hates the movie Good Will Hunting — "Never, not ever, not in entire history of entire world, is there person who is genius, but is not educated. It never happen!"
  38. @AndrewR
    Who calls cannabis "pot"? What is it, 1975?

    Replies: @Jack D, @EriK, @Harry Baldwin, @Anonym, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @Brutusale

    The term “pot” is still used, even by High Times. It’s “grass” you don’t here anymore.

  39. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article95005207.html

    Yeah, here’s McClatchy, which someone here recently proffered as a relatively unbiased news source:

    “If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks,” Trump said on the stage. “Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.”

    I guess “visible surprise” is Unbiasedese for “amused.” People were laughing.

    I dunno about his tone, but in text it reads “maybe the 2nd Amendment people are powerful enough to stop her, to keep her anti-2nd Amendment judges from being nominated (because everybody knows how much teeth-gnashing and wailing the left does about the one genuinely conservative lobby with real power, the 2nd Amendment lobby).”

    If the leftist corporate media didn’t want the American public to read it this way, then they shouldn’t have spent the last few decades screeching about how powerful the 2nd Amendment lobby is.

    If the GOPe wanted to win this election, they could string together quite a few violent metaphors from Hussein “bring a knife to a gunfight” Obama into an attack ad in response. But, they don’t, so they won’t.

    Purge the GOPe.

  40. @Harry Baldwin
    On the subject of whether having more black police officers would be a solution, I recall an interview with Bob Teague, a black reporter who worked for NBC in New York in the 1980s, in which he said, "Blacks are more inclined to create police work than to perform it."

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I feel like I remember DC trying to boost the number of black police officers a decade or so ago.

    It didn’t turn out well.

  41. It’s time for a strategic retreat from blm cauldrons of criminality. Surrounding gated communities and livable suburbs should support a George Kennan inspired version of containment. Odd that such a dated cold war concept like that should now have internal domestic application. But such is life in Obama nation.

    Hey Steve, what do you think trump should use as wedge issue for left leaning high income suburban voters? Specifically in swing state places like Philly main line enclaves. I think he should go Willie Horton on housing policy like AFFH. “Pollution’s solution is dilution” type section 8 policies are freaking scary to upper income types when a third to half their net worth is in their primary home.

  42. @AndrewR
    It's not inconceivable that Baltimore cops went from abusive to negligent. In fact, those seem to be the only two settings of most US law enforcement departments.

    I do think it's funny in a tragic way that Friedersdorf is considered a "conservative."

    Replies: @JerryC, @Jack D

    “not inconceivable” – what a quaint, British understatement. It’s fracking obvious that that is what happened. In a ghetto community, either the police are out there kicking ass and trying to keep some semblance of public order or else they are eating donuts and letting the feral wolves rule the streets. There is no in-between possible. It’s the same as places like Iraq and Egypt – either there is someone there to keep a lid on things or else people will run wild. There’s no internal superego in these places – if there is not some external force keeping them from taking your rims (or maybe even your life), they will take them in a second with no qualms. The idea that you can have a police force in those places that spends its time giving anti-drug lectures in schools (that seemed to be the main job of my local suburban police force) and stopping old white ladies and young black dudes in equal proportions, like some urban TSA, is laughable.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jack D

    I loathe that "not un " pretentious pompous thing Not undesirable not unwarranted not unlikely.
    Were I an editor of any publication I would forbid it on the first day

    , @SteveRogers42
    @Jack D

    Jack , every word you just wrote is gold.

  43. @Arclight
    It's been pointed out here many times that one of the most important determinants of a nation's success is the median IQ...same thing with cities. For most of my adult life I lived in DC and spent a lot of time in Baltimore as well since I had many friends who moved there for cheaper housing. In short, the average black resident of either city is just not smart - I grew up in a large city that was 30% black and both of my parents are from large cities with large black populations and the blacks in all three places are just smarter than those in DC/Baltimore, which also means everyone gets along a lot better too.

    I recall the Washington Post pointing out in an article on education that poor black kids in NYC are two grade levels ahead of comparable kids in DC - the piece looked for technocratic reasons why this might be the case, but the simple answer is that one city just has a more intelligent group than the other and no amount of educational "reform" is going to close what is essentially a built in gap. Some cities have an unusual amount of human detritus - the only answer is to try and make them someone else's problem, which is what administrations in DC and Chicago have tried to do over the last 10-15 years, with some success.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Forbes, @Anonymous, @Kyle, @Olorin, @Buffalo Joe

    “Our negros are better than your negros.”

  44. @TheJester
    Seen from another perspective, the Blacks in Baltimore will soon get the low-key policing they ask for, balanced with the cliche that you had better be careful about what you ask for because you might get it. The Black citizens of Baltimore will soon get the law and order they deserve. Predict that Baltimore will eventually become another African "bantustan" within the contiguous United States.

    One might call all of this ... BLM, anti-cop, low marriage rates, high out-of-wedlock pregnancy rates, mindless violence, pervasive drug addiction ... a Back to Africa movement. Regardless of affirmative action, diversity, safe spaces, and reparations camouflaged as welfare can make Africans into Northern Europeans. The cultural and social (and perhaps genetic) divide between sub-Saharan Africans and especially Northern Europeans is simply too broad to bridge. It is a permanent condition.

    The United States tried a 52-year long experiment in racial and cultural integration costing trillions of dollars. The experiment destroyed model school systems, neighborhoods, communities, and whole cities in a social experiment to change the culture of its citizens ... by force. It displaced tens of millions of people as internal refugees as citizens lost the fundamental right of association. The program was perhaps modeled on the Reconstruction of the South after the Civil War, although this time it was imposed on the entire population. It failed.

    Replies: @Jim, @The Anti-Gnostic, @bomag, @Buffalo Joe, @SteveRogers42

    And smack dab in the middle of this festering reservation: Johns Hopkins University, America’s premier medical college.

    The history of prestigious academic institutions once located in white centers of influence and culture that now require their own police forces is an under-reported one.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Johns Hopkins bends over backwards to appease blacks too and for their efforts many Black Baltimoreans think of it as the devil incarnate.

    It's so hilarious.

    Replies: @SteveO

    , @Almost Missouri
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Agree. I have heard it said that U of Chicago's private police force is second largest in Illinois, behind the city of Chicago PD: larger than the Illinois State Police, larger than the police force of any other town in the state. I've never been able to confirm this with actual figures, though. Other than the CPD, police forces seem cagey about revealing their officer headcount. In any case, the cost of maintaining one of the largest private armies--I mean, Safety and Security Departments--in the US must be staggering. I would guess it is well into the nine figures annually.

    The U of Chicago police force and their role in the triple-layered protection of race-rabble-rouser police-denouncer B. Hussein Obama was the subject of some iSteve attention a year or two back.

    , @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The University of Pennsylvania (aka Penn) always had a campus police force of sworn, armed officers (usually Phila cops retired after 20 years and double dipping ) but these were unionized and expensive so a number of years ago they hired a private security company (Allied Barton) to supplement with security guards. They posted on of these guards on literally every street corner of the campus and surrounding neighborhood. The annual cost must be millions but, before that, every year one or two Penn grad students (the most vulnerable group - too old to live in the dorms, too poor to live in the suburbs) would get murdered in botched robberies, Seth Rich style and each one would cost the U. untold $ in bad publicity, reduced applications, etc. They have since moved up considerably in the rankings so they probably consider this $ well spent. The U. is also a major land owner in the neighborhood and property values have gone up, so again $ well spent.

    Replies: @Learning, @Anonymous, @Olorin

    , @Alden
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Columbia, Yale, Duke, university of Chicago, USC, University of Washington, the list goes on and on.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Anti, I believe, the white version of "The Talk" was written because of the neighborhood that surrounded Temple U. Many of the older Jesuit Colleges, including my Alma Mater, Canisius (Buffalo) are now in sketchy parts of the inner city.

  45. The quote pointing out the stench of pot smoke in Baltimore parks lets me bang another drum, for whatever purpose. Has anyone done research on to what degree marijuana usage permeates ghetto culture? In fact, many, if not all, of the blue on black non-compliance shootings seem to involve young guys cooked out of skull on pot, or worse. Yet it’s never noted at time, and if revealed in autopsy it seems as if by fiat it is not a big thing. Add marijuana usage to low IQ, bad decision making and no moral guidance, and you’ve got a young man who is looking to get tagged by a 9mm. Yet again, all these episodes are laid at the feet of the po-po (as the cops are called in Baltimore) and not depicted as the low-character stupidity they really represent, Kid, don’t want to get popped? Don’t go do crime while high. Don’t do ANYTHING while high. In fact, don’t get high at all. That’s only for ironic whites who can giggle, listen to old Garcia vinyl, then go to the Pancake House when it wears off.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @otto the P

    You forgot the fact that blacks metabolize weed differently than whites do, which explains the higher prevalence of insane, insensible violence with blacks and weed.

    , @Anonymous
    @otto the P

    Okay this coming from a Detroit ( "Brightmoor") born and bred, and believe it or not "conservative" ) jazz performer, and "Mensa" member of forty years. : There just seems to be a total misunderstanding and unawareness of the ideal state of being which prevails within the young urban black male population that being achieved peer perception of one being "Bad", amen, this sums up the goal, zeal, and dream of every youg black dude who winds up in the slammer : We did it all for the deranged concept of the state of "Bad". there is no other societal explanation for the grfor this unsolvable dilema ( now) at the feet of the asshole Rappers and their glorification of this perverse concept, the concept of : BAD.

  46. When you look at the agenda of the Black Lives Matter movement, it appears to be that of a lynch mob. If a white cop shoots a black, whatever the circumstances, even if the cop is completely exonerated, they want to lynch him. So to me, “BLM” stands for Black Lynch Mob.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  47. If you corner a hard core true believer leftist that works in the DOJ and helped compile this report about the Baltimore PD, he or she or xe or it will claim that the abusive cops are the cause of the increased black violent crime rate.

    Duh. Leftists pretty much hang their hats on the tacit assumption that blacks are subhuman, and thus lack agency.

    But let’s go with this: if increasing law enforcement pressure on blacks causes black criminality to increase, and lowering law enforcement pressure on them causes their criminality to decrease, then let’s just save some money and stop policing blacks altogether.

    That will drop the black crime rate to zero, and we’ll save lots of money.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    @Svigor

    Or, if white racism is to blame for all this, how about segregating the white population from the people of color. Problem solved.

  48. @helena
    "the only answer"

    there's another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Oliver Ironside, @Jack D, @Andrew Jackson, @Kylie, @William Badwhite, @Olorin

    there’s another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

    I’ve made this point over and over again. There may be kids who have potential in the ghetto, but is it really worth the time, effort, and resources spent to identify those “kids with potential” and then do everything we can to make sure they achieve that potential by showering them with affirmative action and letting all the other detritus run wild? We’re at the point we’re an old lady isn’t allowed to clutch her purse and cross the street when she sees “this youth with potential” because of the terrible psychological impact of this heinous microaggression on the poor “youth with potential.”

    I say screw it. We all have obstacles to success in our lives. The obstacles to these “youth with potential” are primarily other blacks and the fact that they look like them. They can transcend those obstacles or they can not, but they aren’t being held back by any kind of institutional racism or anything silly like that. Best of luck to them, but I’m not interested in turning everything on its head to pick the grain from the feces. That’s an incredibly stupid thing to do. We should be maximizing the potential of our very best, not sifting through feces.

    • Replies: @helena
    @Andrew Jackson

    "but is it really worth the time, effort, and resources spent to identify those “kids with potential” and then do everything we can to make sure they achieve that potential by showering them with affirmative action and letting all the other detritus run wild?"

    no it isn't. What I'm saying is put energy into protesting exactly those liberal policies that are making the problem, or at least making it worse. Supposing a load of whites demonstrated for black teachers for black students? how would that go down?

    , @Forbes
    @Andrew Jackson


    There may be kids who have potential in the ghetto, but is it really worth the time, effort, and resources spent to identify those “kids with potential”
     
    NYC old-fashion liberal Eva Moskowitz opened Success Academy Charter Schools in 2006, serves 14,000 students in 41 inner-city schools. Lottery admission--93% 'of color.' These are public charter schools.

    Five of the top five schools in the state in math, and two of the top five schools in English, are Success Academy schools. Among the 4,230 students who were age-eligible to take the 2016 tests, 94% were proficient in math and 82% proficient in ELA. NYC/NYS proficiency averages ~36%. (State-wide 3rd and 8th grade proficiency exams.)

    It can be done. (Teachers' unions hate charter schools--reflects poorly on them.)

    Replies: @Andrew Jackson

  49. “But who cares about the Black Lives Matter movement inspiring a 63% increase in murder victims? The problem with Baltimore, according to the Justice Department, is too much law and order.”

    To make an omelet, you have to break a few eggs. Gotta agitate for those Hillary votes- otherwise we might get stuck with Trump and really have a tragedy if we couldn’t bring in more Democrat voters and pool boys for our Overlords.

  50. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @TheJester

    And smack dab in the middle of this festering reservation: Johns Hopkins University, America's premier medical college.

    The history of prestigious academic institutions once located in white centers of influence and culture that now require their own police forces is an under-reported one.

    Replies: @Ed, @Almost Missouri, @Jack D, @Alden, @Buffalo Joe

    Johns Hopkins bends over backwards to appease blacks too and for their efforts many Black Baltimoreans think of it as the devil incarnate.

    It’s so hilarious.

    • Replies: @SteveO
    @Ed

    A similar situation applies to the University of Pennsylvania. It is somewhat mitigated by having the entire university system in one place, concentrating tens of thousands of faculty, staff and students rather than separating them between a main campus and a medical campus, as it true for JHU.

    Also, Penn is on the edge of the bad neighborhoods, rather than being in the middle of them, and is directly adjacent to Center City (downtown) Philadelphia, which has prospered mightily from so-called New Urbanism.

    Penn has its own extensive police force, of course, but is this only because of its location? Doesn't every large campus have its own police force, including those location in safer suburban or small-city locations?

    I agree with Anti-Gnostic: The phenomenon of big, prestigious universities being located in bad neighborhoods is widespread. It would be an interesting topic for further exploration, particularly in light of changing attitudes toward city living.

  51. I seem to remember Atlantic magazine making a cameo in The Wire. Brother Mouzun – a legendary Nation of Islam hitman-for-hire from NYC – had a couple of lines about finding a copy of the Atlantic before he set to work icing and/or maiming a few baltimore drug dealers.

    IIRC his gofer had to go a long way to find a copy of the Atlantic since they were in the hoods of baltimore.

    So maybe the Atlantic is just playing to their drug-dealing, islamic, underworld killer-for-hire base with this article?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @William

    I think it was Harper's magazine that the gofer couldn't find. But Brother Mouzun did a riff on the several magazines he sent the gofer for--the Atlantic and The Nation among them. A broad selection of lefty, commie reads...

  52. @Jack D
    @helena

    I DO believe in fairies, I DO believe in fairies....

    Everyone would love to believe that the black community is just filled with untapped potential, with Good Will Hunting type janitors who are secretly math geniuses. It just ain't so. You could reform the schools (that's been tried up the wazoo), reform the black community, reform the black family (all easier said than done in a free society), etc. and gentle giant D'Shavious and his girlfriend Jeantel will still have an 85 IQ and will still be best suited for life in an agrarian society and have no useful role to play in a post-industrial society, so they will be, one way or another, wards of the state for their entire life (or else they would literally starve). No matter what you do, you can't make a housepet out of a hyena.

    Yes, there is a smarter fraction in the black community (by smart I don't mean Feynman smart, just above 100 IQ and capable of working in a modern society smart) of around 15 or 20% but these have moved out of the ghetto long ago so what is left behind is largely devoid of untapped potential.

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @helena, @SteveRogers42, @snorlax

    “No matter what you do, you can’t make a housepet out of a hyena.”

    Nevertheless, I hear there are some Somalian geniuses working on this very problem even as we speak.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @Grandpa Jack

    Nigerians have beat them to it.

    http://afritorial.com/the-hyena-handlers-of-nigeria/

  53. There is something impressive about the big media’s ability to pick a patently false story (e.g., police racism in Baltimore, Haven Monahan) and then as the absurdity of it becomes more and more apparent, double-down and triple-down and dodecuple-down on the phony story.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Almost Missouri

    It's Vox Day's Three Rules of SJWs:

    1. SJWs always lie.
    2. SJWs always double down.
    3. SJWs always project.

    , @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Of course they will do that, and in all cases there are hardcore SJWs who will NEVER throw in the towel (I remember that even after every MSM organ had pulled the plug on Jackie there was a gal from the Guardian who still swore up and down that she really had been raped) but what is interesting is at what point the media herd will turn. Guys like Steve are never enough no matter how much evidence they put forth because they are "biased" (as if the MSM is not) but once a big media organ like the WashPo declares the hoax to be over then the rest of the herd follows suit. Although lately the NYT tack has been to just go silent when bad things happen to their favored memes - they just memory hole them and never speak of them again. The words "Haven Monahan" appear in the archives of the NYT precisely once (a story that the police could find "no evidence" of a rape - SJWs took that to mean that it still could have happened).

    What is also interesting is WHETHER the media consensus ever shifts - this depends (I think) on how holy the interest group involved is. White girls like Jackie are somewhat holy but blacks are the holy of holies so no matter how much adverse info came out about St. Trayvon and St. Brown of Ferguson, the media consensus will NEVER shift on them and their mamas still get to speak at the DNC.

    , @TheJester
    @Almost Missouri

    We are now apparently in a "memo-driven" society. For example, a memo is quietly circulated that, this week, all Confederate flags will be removed from all shelves and marketing channels ... and it works! In less than a week, you couldn't find Confederate flags in any of the major retail or on-line outlets.

    Now, memos are being circulated that police departments in numerous cities are guilty of "racism", even when, in many cases, they are departments in Black cities run by Black city governments and manned with primarily Black officers. It's coordinated. First, BLM rants that a police department is guilty of racism. Then, the Black-run Federal Justice Department federalizes the issue, releasing a report that BLM was right in the case of, let's say, Baltimore since 91% of the people police stopped were Black in a city that is 93% Black ... apparently anything to protect the narrative.

    My question is a bit different than normal. How can I get on the "memo" list? I keep getting blindsided by globalism, corporate-based trading agreements, open borders, the value of diversity, what my attitude toward race should be, and the recent decision that social deviants are and always have been model citizens and stellar members of society. I'm always in the catchup mode ... and I'm tired of it.

    It would help me immensely to get my directions along with everyone else so I can prepare for these radical social, cultural, and political changes. Can anyone help?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Harry Baldwin

  54. As an aside, this Conor Friedersdorf is a bit of an interesting case. He’s occasionally presented as something of a house conservative by the organs who publish him, yet he’s never written anything conservative that I’ve ever noticed. His initiation into big journalism was as “underblogger” to notorious juicer sodomist Andrew Sullivan, which sounds dangerous as well as uncomfortable.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    As an aside, this Conor Friedersdorf is a bit of an interesting case. He’s occasionally presented as something of a house conservative by the organs who publish him, yet he’s never written anything conservative that I’ve ever noticed.

    Is Friedersdorf among the people who believe they are jewish?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Forbes
    @Almost Missouri

    Friedersdorf is a conservative in the same way that anyone to the right of a communist is considered a right-wing fascist.

  55. @David In TN
    @countenance

    Some years ago, a black "journalist" claimed that black crime is caused by reporting on it.

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @Almost Missouri

    “Some years ago, a black “journalist” claimed that black crime is caused by reporting on it.”

    A true believer in the “tree doesn’t make a sound if no one is around to hear it” philosophy. Of course, he’d have a hard time explaining why blacks are committing so much more crime per capita than whites, as the media over-reports white crimes and under-reports black ones.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Grandpa Jack

    If a tree falls in the wood, and the NYTimes doesn't report it, did it make a sound?

  56. @David In TN
    @countenance

    Some years ago, a black "journalist" claimed that black crime is caused by reporting on it.

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @Almost Missouri

    Well, we’ve stopped reporting on it, so the black crime rate must be near zero now, right? Right?

  57. @AndrewR
    Who calls cannabis "pot"? What is it, 1975?

    Replies: @Jack D, @EriK, @Harry Baldwin, @Anonym, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @Brutusale

    What drugs are you on? What the rest of the world terms a ‘pot head’, you call? Though it reached a peak in 1970 and earlier, modern usage is stable, and dare I say it, groovy. Don’t harsh our mellow.

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Pot+head&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2CPot%20head%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bpot%20head%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BPot%20Head%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BPot%20head%3B%2Cc0

  58. Racketeering, Smuggling, Sex with Guards: 25 Indicted in Massive Baltimore Prison Scandal

    Did the DOJ show the same extended interest in this case? There’s some evidence of a systemic problem there, it would seem.

  59. @AndrewR
    Who calls cannabis "pot"? What is it, 1975?

    Replies: @Jack D, @EriK, @Harry Baldwin, @Anonym, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @Brutusale

    Who calls cannabis “pot”? What is it, 1975?

    Who other than a botanist, calls it “cannabis?”

    Most people refer to it as “weed,” “herbage,” or some term along those lines.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I call it cannabis when speaking more formally. I dislike the "m" word for various reasons. In casual contexts I generally say "weed."

    Replies: @Auntie Analogue

  60. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @TheJester

    And smack dab in the middle of this festering reservation: Johns Hopkins University, America's premier medical college.

    The history of prestigious academic institutions once located in white centers of influence and culture that now require their own police forces is an under-reported one.

    Replies: @Ed, @Almost Missouri, @Jack D, @Alden, @Buffalo Joe

    Agree. I have heard it said that U of Chicago’s private police force is second largest in Illinois, behind the city of Chicago PD: larger than the Illinois State Police, larger than the police force of any other town in the state. I’ve never been able to confirm this with actual figures, though. Other than the CPD, police forces seem cagey about revealing their officer headcount. In any case, the cost of maintaining one of the largest private armies–I mean, Safety and Security Departments–in the US must be staggering. I would guess it is well into the nine figures annually.

    The U of Chicago police force and their role in the triple-layered protection of race-rabble-rouser police-denouncer B. Hussein Obama was the subject of some iSteve attention a year or two back.

  61. @Ed
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Johns Hopkins bends over backwards to appease blacks too and for their efforts many Black Baltimoreans think of it as the devil incarnate.

    It's so hilarious.

    Replies: @SteveO

    A similar situation applies to the University of Pennsylvania. It is somewhat mitigated by having the entire university system in one place, concentrating tens of thousands of faculty, staff and students rather than separating them between a main campus and a medical campus, as it true for JHU.

    Also, Penn is on the edge of the bad neighborhoods, rather than being in the middle of them, and is directly adjacent to Center City (downtown) Philadelphia, which has prospered mightily from so-called New Urbanism.

    Penn has its own extensive police force, of course, but is this only because of its location? Doesn’t every large campus have its own police force, including those location in safer suburban or small-city locations?

    I agree with Anti-Gnostic: The phenomenon of big, prestigious universities being located in bad neighborhoods is widespread. It would be an interesting topic for further exploration, particularly in light of changing attitudes toward city living.

  62. @Jack D
    @helena

    I DO believe in fairies, I DO believe in fairies....

    Everyone would love to believe that the black community is just filled with untapped potential, with Good Will Hunting type janitors who are secretly math geniuses. It just ain't so. You could reform the schools (that's been tried up the wazoo), reform the black community, reform the black family (all easier said than done in a free society), etc. and gentle giant D'Shavious and his girlfriend Jeantel will still have an 85 IQ and will still be best suited for life in an agrarian society and have no useful role to play in a post-industrial society, so they will be, one way or another, wards of the state for their entire life (or else they would literally starve). No matter what you do, you can't make a housepet out of a hyena.

    Yes, there is a smarter fraction in the black community (by smart I don't mean Feynman smart, just above 100 IQ and capable of working in a modern society smart) of around 15 or 20% but these have moved out of the ghetto long ago so what is left behind is largely devoid of untapped potential.

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @helena, @SteveRogers42, @snorlax

    that’s not what i said, i said potential. in fact they all have potential and they are not reaching it in the confines of european culture. two avenues need to be pursued, a)integration into european professions b) a disctinct self-determined working class. and help with credit unions, small business, youth and community, etc. but it can’t happen as long as folks cling on to BLM and reparation and welfare.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @helena


    that’s not what i said, i said potential...
     
    We've tried everything you said; we've tried it beyond a reasonable degree; and there are more efforts in the pipeline. We either stop and do something else, or we try your way forever with no improvement.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @helena

    helena, Actually, the term should be "American" culture, which is a blend of Europe and Africa. Remember, the blacks that have the most trouble in the USA are born here and their families go back multi-generations. Toronto tried Afro-centric schools, I'll ask for one of our resident Canadians to fill you in on that experiment. Black teachers as a cure, sure, except we can't produce enough qualified ones. Judge Kimba Woods, a black federal judge in NYC, appointed by Bubba, has thrown out the last two NYC Teacher's exam as being racist. It's not racist helena, it's just to difficult for some to pass. If we allow unqualified teachers into inner city schools, when will the protest against that start? PS, i am not the best writer but things read easier with capitalization and punctuation thank you

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @helena, @Forbes, @Forbes

  63. @bigduke6
    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/atlantic_live/speakers/2014/09/david_graham/vertical-headshot.jpg

    Replies: @candid_observer

    You can see the fullness of life experience etched into that face.

    He’s the guy you who will be willing to give you the low-down when grappling with the grittier facts of American society.

  64. @Almost Missouri
    There is something impressive about the big media's ability to pick a patently false story (e.g., police racism in Baltimore, Haven Monahan) and then as the absurdity of it becomes more and more apparent, double-down and triple-down and dodecuple-down on the phony story.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Jack D, @TheJester

    It’s Vox Day’s Three Rules of SJWs:

    1. SJWs always lie.
    2. SJWs always double down.
    3. SJWs always project.

  65. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @TheJester

    And smack dab in the middle of this festering reservation: Johns Hopkins University, America's premier medical college.

    The history of prestigious academic institutions once located in white centers of influence and culture that now require their own police forces is an under-reported one.

    Replies: @Ed, @Almost Missouri, @Jack D, @Alden, @Buffalo Joe

    The University of Pennsylvania (aka Penn) always had a campus police force of sworn, armed officers (usually Phila cops retired after 20 years and double dipping ) but these were unionized and expensive so a number of years ago they hired a private security company (Allied Barton) to supplement with security guards. They posted on of these guards on literally every street corner of the campus and surrounding neighborhood. The annual cost must be millions but, before that, every year one or two Penn grad students (the most vulnerable group – too old to live in the dorms, too poor to live in the suburbs) would get murdered in botched robberies, Seth Rich style and each one would cost the U. untold $ in bad publicity, reduced applications, etc. They have since moved up considerably in the rankings so they probably consider this $ well spent. The U. is also a major land owner in the neighborhood and property values have gone up, so again $ well spent.

    • Replies: @Learning
    @Jack D

    They had a program for employees to get local housing. It was some sort of mortgage assistance.
    The area has considerably gentrified but the streets are still scary at night.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    I had a few sins forgiven by those double dipping retirees. As a White, non-college student they weren't too bad to deal with. You have a connection to the area? The changes to U-City over the past 20 years is amazing. 52nd&Market might be a White shopping area again in my lifetime, whoduthunkit?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Olorin
    @Jack D

    Ask Steinberg and Tang.

    http://www.keystoneedge.com/2016/05/17/say-goodbye-to-the-university-city-you-know/

  66. @helena
    "the only answer"

    there's another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Oliver Ironside, @Jack D, @Andrew Jackson, @Kylie, @William Badwhite, @Olorin

    Based solely on this comment, I’d say you’re part of the problem.

    Seriously.

    • Replies: @helena
    @Kylie

    As I remember it, things were going okish before pc came in. pc promotes ghettoisation. some ethnic folks have been 'forced' through social messages to adopt behaviours they might not otherwise have done. there has been no stigmatisation of gang culture. or not enough anyway, instead it has been heralded and welcomed into 'world culture'. i know the US is particular and i'm not there. the US has a specific problem that I don't see so much in the UK. but if colonialism worked in Africa then the answer lies with europeans organising events that distract people from gangs.

    Replies: @Kylie

  67. @AndrewR
    @Arclight

    Presumably the average NYC resident of African descent has significantly more European blood than the average DC resident of African descent

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy

    At one time didn’t the smartest Blacks in the country flock to NYC? The “Harlem Renaissance” and that sort of thing.

  68. @Arclight
    It's been pointed out here many times that one of the most important determinants of a nation's success is the median IQ...same thing with cities. For most of my adult life I lived in DC and spent a lot of time in Baltimore as well since I had many friends who moved there for cheaper housing. In short, the average black resident of either city is just not smart - I grew up in a large city that was 30% black and both of my parents are from large cities with large black populations and the blacks in all three places are just smarter than those in DC/Baltimore, which also means everyone gets along a lot better too.

    I recall the Washington Post pointing out in an article on education that poor black kids in NYC are two grade levels ahead of comparable kids in DC - the piece looked for technocratic reasons why this might be the case, but the simple answer is that one city just has a more intelligent group than the other and no amount of educational "reform" is going to close what is essentially a built in gap. Some cities have an unusual amount of human detritus - the only answer is to try and make them someone else's problem, which is what administrations in DC and Chicago have tried to do over the last 10-15 years, with some success.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Forbes, @Anonymous, @Kyle, @Olorin, @Buffalo Joe

    Actually, it’s (distribution around) mean IQ, not (absolute) median IQ, that’s the issue.

    But here’s the thing. For half a century and many trillions of dollars, DWLs and their neocon doppelgangers have pushed the idea that we have to save blacks, and failing that (which is inevitable), we have to save The Talented Tenth.

    On the mean IQ distribution, the top 10 percent of blacks starts at a point above which about 40% of whites and 50% of Asians fall.

    Those blacks got out of Bodymore a long time ago, just as they got out of Camden, Chester, and Detroit. We hear all the time about the evils of “white flight.” But never a peep about blacks of mean to plus-1 IQ ditching low IQ, disorderly blacks FOR THE EXACT SAME REASONS.

    We might argue that the failure of the “civil rights”/”affirmative action” experiment is precisely that it was so good at removing talented blacks from their own communities. Those who stay, or go back, face a genetic situation that no amount of politics or ideology can fix.

    Instead we get this demented pap about the Baltimaumau’s problem being Too Much Law And Order.

    Considering who David A. Graham is might go a long way toward clearing this up, and here is one example:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/fashion/weddings/leslie-griffith-david-graham-weddings.html

    Perhaps he was traumatized at Duke by all the Rape Culture or something.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Olorin

    Rochester, NY, has one of the worst hoods per capita you'll ever see.

    I talked to people who said they moved there from NYC to get away from the bad element, only to find that Rochester's locals were even worse.

    The locals blamed the people moving there from NYC and bringing their bad kids with them.

    , @artichoke
    @Olorin

    Affirmative action has been a disaster for everyone except for that damned "talented tenth", who generally are only talented by comparison with the other 9/10 of African Americans. It's such an effective method of destruction I can only think it was designed for that purpose. WEB Dubois, who first spoke of the "talented tenth", was a communist.

    Affirmative action does nothing for most blacks. It's just the top ones who start to get it, and when they do, they get more and more. And the campus environment is destroyed. Again, it's by design, an attack on western civilization. Anyone who dares to mutter this on campus, though, is guilty of anything from microaggressions up to hate crimes.

    And so intelligent whites, starting from late high school when their hopes of dream college admissions are smashed and they see all the smiling happy blacks in the hallways, come to hate the blacks. But 9/10 of the blacks have nothing to do with it. The poor blacks in the hood will do you a lot less harm than the ones that cause you trouble and diminished outcomes all through your education and professional career, that untouchable "talented tenth" that was put there just to hurt you.

  69. @Almost Missouri
    There is something impressive about the big media's ability to pick a patently false story (e.g., police racism in Baltimore, Haven Monahan) and then as the absurdity of it becomes more and more apparent, double-down and triple-down and dodecuple-down on the phony story.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Jack D, @TheJester

    Of course they will do that, and in all cases there are hardcore SJWs who will NEVER throw in the towel (I remember that even after every MSM organ had pulled the plug on Jackie there was a gal from the Guardian who still swore up and down that she really had been raped) but what is interesting is at what point the media herd will turn. Guys like Steve are never enough no matter how much evidence they put forth because they are “biased” (as if the MSM is not) but once a big media organ like the WashPo declares the hoax to be over then the rest of the herd follows suit. Although lately the NYT tack has been to just go silent when bad things happen to their favored memes – they just memory hole them and never speak of them again. The words “Haven Monahan” appear in the archives of the NYT precisely once (a story that the police could find “no evidence” of a rape – SJWs took that to mean that it still could have happened).

    What is also interesting is WHETHER the media consensus ever shifts – this depends (I think) on how holy the interest group involved is. White girls like Jackie are somewhat holy but blacks are the holy of holies so no matter how much adverse info came out about St. Trayvon and St. Brown of Ferguson, the media consensus will NEVER shift on them and their mamas still get to speak at the DNC.

  70. @Almost Missouri
    As an aside, this Conor Friedersdorf is a bit of an interesting case. He's occasionally presented as something of a house conservative by the organs who publish him, yet he's never written anything conservative that I've ever noticed. His initiation into big journalism was as "underblogger" to notorious juicer sodomist Andrew Sullivan, which sounds dangerous as well as uncomfortable.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Forbes

    As an aside, this Conor Friedersdorf is a bit of an interesting case. He’s occasionally presented as something of a house conservative by the organs who publish him, yet he’s never written anything conservative that I’ve ever noticed.

    Is Friedersdorf among the people who believe they are jewish?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Anonymous

    I tend to think of Friedersdorf's surname as indicating descent from the Germanic Midwesterners who filled up SoCal in the early twentieth century. Friedersdorf's writing style, a sort of brittlely naive midwestern niceness meets faux sophisticated coastalism, fits with this.

  71. @Kylie
    @helena

    Based solely on this comment, I'd say you're part of the problem.

    Seriously.

    Replies: @helena

    As I remember it, things were going okish before pc came in. pc promotes ghettoisation. some ethnic folks have been ‘forced’ through social messages to adopt behaviours they might not otherwise have done. there has been no stigmatisation of gang culture. or not enough anyway, instead it has been heralded and welcomed into ‘world culture’. i know the US is particular and i’m not there. the US has a specific problem that I don’t see so much in the UK. but if colonialism worked in Africa then the answer lies with europeans organising events that distract people from gangs.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @helena

    I don't even know where to start.

    Seriously.

  72. @Almost Missouri
    There is something impressive about the big media's ability to pick a patently false story (e.g., police racism in Baltimore, Haven Monahan) and then as the absurdity of it becomes more and more apparent, double-down and triple-down and dodecuple-down on the phony story.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Jack D, @TheJester

    We are now apparently in a “memo-driven” society. For example, a memo is quietly circulated that, this week, all Confederate flags will be removed from all shelves and marketing channels … and it works! In less than a week, you couldn’t find Confederate flags in any of the major retail or on-line outlets.

    Now, memos are being circulated that police departments in numerous cities are guilty of “racism”, even when, in many cases, they are departments in Black cities run by Black city governments and manned with primarily Black officers. It’s coordinated. First, BLM rants that a police department is guilty of racism. Then, the Black-run Federal Justice Department federalizes the issue, releasing a report that BLM was right in the case of, let’s say, Baltimore since 91% of the people police stopped were Black in a city that is 93% Black … apparently anything to protect the narrative.

    My question is a bit different than normal. How can I get on the “memo” list? I keep getting blindsided by globalism, corporate-based trading agreements, open borders, the value of diversity, what my attitude toward race should be, and the recent decision that social deviants are and always have been model citizens and stellar members of society. I’m always in the catchup mode … and I’m tired of it.

    It would help me immensely to get my directions along with everyone else so I can prepare for these radical social, cultural, and political changes. Can anyone help?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @TheJester

    Somewhere, the Journo-list people are still coordinating stories/lies. Maybe one day one of them will grow a conscience and defect. Or maybe someone less than fully blue-pilled could gain access.

    Or maybe some of Hillary's missing emails could have shed some light.

    I actually think a lot of the memo coordination takes place in rather prosaic ways, which is why it never causes much stir despite creating deep and pervasive bias. For example, meetings of Democratic party leaders, locally or nationally, often include heads of local or national media outlets (editors or publishers), either directly at the table or in their immediate sphere of personal/business communication. So they formally or informally share memes and intentions. They probably don't consider this a conspiracy (though it is) or a conflict of interest (though it is) because they are not breaking the law and they don't really have any moral sense beyond avoiding making themselves obvious prosecution targets.

    Journo-list was a bit of a scandal because much of it was actual news writers (rather than editors and publishers) conspiring in how to lie to their readers. Strangely, the readers (i.e., Leftists) didn't seem to mind that they were being lied to. They just minded that the exposure of Journo-list made their preferred form of comfort-falsehood dispensation appear almost as sordid as it actually is. Now that the Left's media-political complex is safely hidden again, the writers can carry on lying and the readers can carry on being lied to in their preferred way and everyone is happy again.

    The list of people who have shifted between the media and the Democratic party is extremely long, because they aren't really separate in the first place. The list of people who have shifted between the media and the Republican party is extremely short, and on the rare occasions it happens it is usually accompanied by wailing and gnashing of teeth in the press.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @TheJester

    The Black-run Federal Justice Department federalizes the issue after they get humiliated by the exoneration of the police officer(s) they initially accused of racism. It's a combination of spite, SJW-style doubling down, and redirecting the narrative. "Okay, so we couldn't nail those cops for the death of Freddie Gray, but dammit, the whole department is racist from top to bottom!"

  73. @TheJester
    Seen from another perspective, the Blacks in Baltimore will soon get the low-key policing they ask for, balanced with the cliche that you had better be careful about what you ask for because you might get it. The Black citizens of Baltimore will soon get the law and order they deserve. Predict that Baltimore will eventually become another African "bantustan" within the contiguous United States.

    One might call all of this ... BLM, anti-cop, low marriage rates, high out-of-wedlock pregnancy rates, mindless violence, pervasive drug addiction ... a Back to Africa movement. Regardless of affirmative action, diversity, safe spaces, and reparations camouflaged as welfare can make Africans into Northern Europeans. The cultural and social (and perhaps genetic) divide between sub-Saharan Africans and especially Northern Europeans is simply too broad to bridge. It is a permanent condition.

    The United States tried a 52-year long experiment in racial and cultural integration costing trillions of dollars. The experiment destroyed model school systems, neighborhoods, communities, and whole cities in a social experiment to change the culture of its citizens ... by force. It displaced tens of millions of people as internal refugees as citizens lost the fundamental right of association. The program was perhaps modeled on the Reconstruction of the South after the Civil War, although this time it was imposed on the entire population. It failed.

    Replies: @Jim, @The Anti-Gnostic, @bomag, @Buffalo Joe, @SteveRogers42

    52-year long experiment in racial and cultural integration costing trillions of dollars

    I get a vibe from reading about pre-1960 America that people often did their own law enforcement, e.g. Emmett Till; mobsters. Progress via J. Edgar Hoover et al brought us a professional enough police force that they could promise to police integration enough to let us reap all the benefits of that idea. But, to paraphrase, Blacks can stay criminal longer than we can stay solvent.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @bomag

    bomag, born in '46, so I remember police walking the beat in my Buffalo neighborhood. Also, and very important, cops actually lived in the neighborhood.

  74. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @TheJester

    And smack dab in the middle of this festering reservation: Johns Hopkins University, America's premier medical college.

    The history of prestigious academic institutions once located in white centers of influence and culture that now require their own police forces is an under-reported one.

    Replies: @Ed, @Almost Missouri, @Jack D, @Alden, @Buffalo Joe

    Columbia, Yale, Duke, university of Chicago, USC, University of Washington, the list goes on and on.

  75. @Jack D
    @AndrewR

    I'll give you 99 to 1 that Pete is an old white dude (by old I mean boomer like Steve and I and many of the other folks around here). Us old white dudes use outdated words like pot and free speech in an unironic way. Even though we are open minded, we are not so open minded that our brains have fallen out like the SJWs at the DOJ, so when people piss on our shoes and tell us it's raining, we are not inclined to believe them.

    But, to the new generation, we are just old white dudes - can't wait for us to die so they can get on with the new multiracial majority America where the police don't hassle brown people and which will be just great once old racis's like us die. It's almost as if the people saying this were born yesterday and don't remember why it was that police started doing "broken windows" policing in the 1st place and what it was like when Times Square was a den of iniquity instead of the place to see Disney's Lion King.

    Replies: @Alden

    The commercial growers of marijuana in California call it weed. Dope is still popular

  76. @Jack D
    @AndrewR

    "not inconceivable" - what a quaint, British understatement. It's fracking obvious that that is what happened. In a ghetto community, either the police are out there kicking ass and trying to keep some semblance of public order or else they are eating donuts and letting the feral wolves rule the streets. There is no in-between possible. It's the same as places like Iraq and Egypt - either there is someone there to keep a lid on things or else people will run wild. There's no internal superego in these places - if there is not some external force keeping them from taking your rims (or maybe even your life), they will take them in a second with no qualms. The idea that you can have a police force in those places that spends its time giving anti-drug lectures in schools (that seemed to be the main job of my local suburban police force) and stopping old white ladies and young black dudes in equal proportions, like some urban TSA, is laughable.

    Replies: @Alden, @SteveRogers42

    I loathe that “not un ” pretentious pompous thing Not undesirable not unwarranted not unlikely.
    Were I an editor of any publication I would forbid it on the first day

  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What the SJWs fail to grasp is most big city police departments are minority/majority already. Baltimore is no exception.

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/14/most-baltimore-cops-are-minorities/

    But it serves their purposes to pretend Evil Whitey the Cop is the problem rather than criminality. It’s always 1954 with Bull Connor with a water cannon and billy clubs, facts be damned. Facts and math are hard, ya know.

    New trend in policing-let them kill each other, take a report afterward.

  78. @countenance
    If you corner a hard core true believer leftist that works in the DOJ and helped compile this report about the Baltimore PD, he or she or xe or it will claim that the abusive cops are the cause of the increased black violent crime rate.

    Replies: @David In TN, @SteveRogers42

    “All the cops are criminals, and all the sinners saints”

    –Old White Man

  79. @Jack D
    @helena

    I DO believe in fairies, I DO believe in fairies....

    Everyone would love to believe that the black community is just filled with untapped potential, with Good Will Hunting type janitors who are secretly math geniuses. It just ain't so. You could reform the schools (that's been tried up the wazoo), reform the black community, reform the black family (all easier said than done in a free society), etc. and gentle giant D'Shavious and his girlfriend Jeantel will still have an 85 IQ and will still be best suited for life in an agrarian society and have no useful role to play in a post-industrial society, so they will be, one way or another, wards of the state for their entire life (or else they would literally starve). No matter what you do, you can't make a housepet out of a hyena.

    Yes, there is a smarter fraction in the black community (by smart I don't mean Feynman smart, just above 100 IQ and capable of working in a modern society smart) of around 15 or 20% but these have moved out of the ghetto long ago so what is left behind is largely devoid of untapped potential.

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @helena, @SteveRogers42, @snorlax

    Wasn’t it Booker T. who talked about (and personified) the “Talented Tenth”? He also stated that they had a duty to lead the rest of their people. But as you say, since the black bourgeoisie has long since fled the ghetto, there’s no one left to hire and inspire the other 90%.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @SteveRogers42

    I thought that the idea of the Talented Tenth came from W.E.B. DuBois, but I'll stand corrected. Unfortunately, it's more like the Talented Two percent.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Brutusale

  80. There is something impressive about the big media’s ability to pick a patently false story (e.g., police racism in Baltimore, Haven Monahan) and then as the absurdity of it becomes more and more apparent, double-down and triple-down and dodecuple-down on the phony story.

    they just memory hole them and never speak of them again

    Lying 101: rule #1, never admit to telling a lie. Always change the subject when caught out is rule #2. No surprise that the leftist corporate media has the fundamentals of lying down to a tee.

    The commercial growers of marijuana in California call it weed. Dope is still popular

    Around here, people will laugh at you for calling MJ “dope,” because dope is what everyone calls coke.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Svigor

    Everyone will laugh at you for referring to anything besides heroin as "dope."

    , @FX Enderby
    @Svigor

    In NJ "Dope" is strictly heroin - which some Whites also call "diesel." For some strange reason, blacks often call it dope but in strict ebonics it's called "P" like the letter on Sesame Street. I have asked several Blacks what the "P" is supposed to stand for but nobody seems to know - "it just mean dope, fool."

    Btw, snortable cocaine is called "powder" while "Coke" mostly means crack cocaine.

  81. @Jack D
    @AndrewR

    "not inconceivable" - what a quaint, British understatement. It's fracking obvious that that is what happened. In a ghetto community, either the police are out there kicking ass and trying to keep some semblance of public order or else they are eating donuts and letting the feral wolves rule the streets. There is no in-between possible. It's the same as places like Iraq and Egypt - either there is someone there to keep a lid on things or else people will run wild. There's no internal superego in these places - if there is not some external force keeping them from taking your rims (or maybe even your life), they will take them in a second with no qualms. The idea that you can have a police force in those places that spends its time giving anti-drug lectures in schools (that seemed to be the main job of my local suburban police force) and stopping old white ladies and young black dudes in equal proportions, like some urban TSA, is laughable.

    Replies: @Alden, @SteveRogers42

    Jack , every word you just wrote is gold.

  82. @AndrewR
    Who calls cannabis "pot"? What is it, 1975?

    Replies: @Jack D, @EriK, @Harry Baldwin, @Anonym, @Kevin O'Keeffe, @Brutusale

    Heaven forbid that someone roll out Mary Jane!

  83. @SteveRogers42
    @Jack D

    Wasn't it Booker T. who talked about (and personified) the "Talented Tenth"? He also stated that they had a duty to lead the rest of their people. But as you say, since the black bourgeoisie has long since fled the ghetto, there's no one left to hire and inspire the other 90%.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    I thought that the idea of the Talented Tenth came from W.E.B. DuBois, but I’ll stand corrected. Unfortunately, it’s more like the Talented Two percent.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @Diversity Heretic

    You're probably right. At my age, I have Total No Recall.

    , @Brutusale
    @Diversity Heretic

    Like everything else, it looks like it came from YT:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Talented_Tenth

  84. @Jack D
    @helena

    I DO believe in fairies, I DO believe in fairies....

    Everyone would love to believe that the black community is just filled with untapped potential, with Good Will Hunting type janitors who are secretly math geniuses. It just ain't so. You could reform the schools (that's been tried up the wazoo), reform the black community, reform the black family (all easier said than done in a free society), etc. and gentle giant D'Shavious and his girlfriend Jeantel will still have an 85 IQ and will still be best suited for life in an agrarian society and have no useful role to play in a post-industrial society, so they will be, one way or another, wards of the state for their entire life (or else they would literally starve). No matter what you do, you can't make a housepet out of a hyena.

    Yes, there is a smarter fraction in the black community (by smart I don't mean Feynman smart, just above 100 IQ and capable of working in a modern society smart) of around 15 or 20% but these have moved out of the ghetto long ago so what is left behind is largely devoid of untapped potential.

    Replies: @Grandpa Jack, @helena, @SteveRogers42, @snorlax

    Good Will Hunting type janitors who are secretly math geniuses.

    One of my favorite professors, an un-PC, barrel-chested Russian Jew who’s a legitimate math genius, went on a hilarious tangent about how he hates the movie Good Will Hunting — “Never, not ever, not in entire history of entire world, is there person who is genius, but is not educated. It never happen!”

  85. @JerryC
    @AndrewR


    It’s not inconceivable that Baltimore cops went from abusive to negligent. In fact, those seem to be the only two settings of most US law enforcement departments.
     
    I think that's because having to deal with the dregs of Baltimore society on a daily basis would turn just about anyone into a callous, brutal asshole, if you weren't one in the first place. How could one even survive in that job without being kind of an overbearing dickhead? That's why the problem is more or less unsolveable.

    Replies: @bomag

    How could one even survive in that job without being kind of an overbearing dickhead?

    Important point.

    This BLM stuff will probably increase police misbehavior in the fewer interactions with various protected minorities, since it drives out “normal” people and leaves even more room for thugs-in-costume to move in.

  86. @Svigor

    There is something impressive about the big media’s ability to pick a patently false story (e.g., police racism in Baltimore, Haven Monahan) and then as the absurdity of it becomes more and more apparent, double-down and triple-down and dodecuple-down on the phony story.
     

    they just memory hole them and never speak of them again
     
    Lying 101: rule #1, never admit to telling a lie. Always change the subject when caught out is rule #2. No surprise that the leftist corporate media has the fundamentals of lying down to a tee.

    The commercial growers of marijuana in California call it weed. Dope is still popular
     
    Around here, people will laugh at you for calling MJ "dope," because dope is what everyone calls coke.

    Replies: @snorlax, @FX Enderby

    Everyone will laugh at you for referring to anything besides heroin as “dope.”

  87. @SteveRogers42
    James LaFond's blog is an invaluable resource for grasping the current state of affairs in urban America in general and the Baltimore ghetto in particular. He is a stale, pale male who lives and works in the 'hood in Bodymore, and he provides street-level HUMINT that is hard to come by. LaFond is a prolific poster (as well as an author) and his commentary tracks that of petefrombaltimore 100%.

    Replies: @donut

    No link ?

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    @donut

    Hope this works:

    http://jameslafond.com/

    Mr. LaFond is pretty iconoclastic, and he's not everybody's cup of tea, but if you dislike his style, just concentrate on the content of his experiences in "Harm City".

  88. @Diversity Heretic
    @SteveRogers42

    I thought that the idea of the Talented Tenth came from W.E.B. DuBois, but I'll stand corrected. Unfortunately, it's more like the Talented Two percent.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Brutusale

    You’re probably right. At my age, I have Total No Recall.

  89. @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The University of Pennsylvania (aka Penn) always had a campus police force of sworn, armed officers (usually Phila cops retired after 20 years and double dipping ) but these were unionized and expensive so a number of years ago they hired a private security company (Allied Barton) to supplement with security guards. They posted on of these guards on literally every street corner of the campus and surrounding neighborhood. The annual cost must be millions but, before that, every year one or two Penn grad students (the most vulnerable group - too old to live in the dorms, too poor to live in the suburbs) would get murdered in botched robberies, Seth Rich style and each one would cost the U. untold $ in bad publicity, reduced applications, etc. They have since moved up considerably in the rankings so they probably consider this $ well spent. The U. is also a major land owner in the neighborhood and property values have gone up, so again $ well spent.

    Replies: @Learning, @Anonymous, @Olorin

    They had a program for employees to get local housing. It was some sort of mortgage assistance.
    The area has considerably gentrified but the streets are still scary at night.

  90. @donut
    @SteveRogers42

    No link ?

    Replies: @SteveRogers42

    Hope this works:

    http://jameslafond.com/

    Mr. LaFond is pretty iconoclastic, and he’s not everybody’s cup of tea, but if you dislike his style, just concentrate on the content of his experiences in “Harm City”.

  91. @TheJester
    Seen from another perspective, the Blacks in Baltimore will soon get the low-key policing they ask for, balanced with the cliche that you had better be careful about what you ask for because you might get it. The Black citizens of Baltimore will soon get the law and order they deserve. Predict that Baltimore will eventually become another African "bantustan" within the contiguous United States.

    One might call all of this ... BLM, anti-cop, low marriage rates, high out-of-wedlock pregnancy rates, mindless violence, pervasive drug addiction ... a Back to Africa movement. Regardless of affirmative action, diversity, safe spaces, and reparations camouflaged as welfare can make Africans into Northern Europeans. The cultural and social (and perhaps genetic) divide between sub-Saharan Africans and especially Northern Europeans is simply too broad to bridge. It is a permanent condition.

    The United States tried a 52-year long experiment in racial and cultural integration costing trillions of dollars. The experiment destroyed model school systems, neighborhoods, communities, and whole cities in a social experiment to change the culture of its citizens ... by force. It displaced tens of millions of people as internal refugees as citizens lost the fundamental right of association. The program was perhaps modeled on the Reconstruction of the South after the Civil War, although this time it was imposed on the entire population. It failed.

    Replies: @Jim, @The Anti-Gnostic, @bomag, @Buffalo Joe, @SteveRogers42

    TheJester, for whatever reason that I can’t fathom, black women seem content to raise, actually not raise, the criminal element that terrorizes the streets of Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, etc. These criminals, these thugs, are not refugees having a hard time adjusting to life in America. These criminals are born and bred in these cities and somehow it doesn’t seem to faze the mothers that they are raising their sons to have little or no chance to succeed in life. I watched a documentary about the dirt bike riders that terrorize Baltimore streets by riding in packs on sidewalks or against traffic. The doc, titled “Twelve O’clock Boys,” follows a young 12 year old boy, Pug, as he tries to become an urban dirt biker. At 12 years he is already tattooed and at on point his mother gets mad because the school has informed her that Pug hasn’t been to school in six weeks, but she didn’t know that, because she is busy with her new baby. In Buffalo, the average number of days missed by BPS students is 35 days, or about SEVEN weeks. And suddenly, you have crime and criminals, who knew?

  92. @helena
    @Jack D

    that's not what i said, i said potential. in fact they all have potential and they are not reaching it in the confines of european culture. two avenues need to be pursued, a)integration into european professions b) a disctinct self-determined working class. and help with credit unions, small business, youth and community, etc. but it can't happen as long as folks cling on to BLM and reparation and welfare.

    Replies: @bomag, @Buffalo Joe

    that’s not what i said, i said potential…

    We’ve tried everything you said; we’ve tried it beyond a reasonable degree; and there are more efforts in the pipeline. We either stop and do something else, or we try your way forever with no improvement.

  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The University of Pennsylvania (aka Penn) always had a campus police force of sworn, armed officers (usually Phila cops retired after 20 years and double dipping ) but these were unionized and expensive so a number of years ago they hired a private security company (Allied Barton) to supplement with security guards. They posted on of these guards on literally every street corner of the campus and surrounding neighborhood. The annual cost must be millions but, before that, every year one or two Penn grad students (the most vulnerable group - too old to live in the dorms, too poor to live in the suburbs) would get murdered in botched robberies, Seth Rich style and each one would cost the U. untold $ in bad publicity, reduced applications, etc. They have since moved up considerably in the rankings so they probably consider this $ well spent. The U. is also a major land owner in the neighborhood and property values have gone up, so again $ well spent.

    Replies: @Learning, @Anonymous, @Olorin

    I had a few sins forgiven by those double dipping retirees. As a White, non-college student they weren’t too bad to deal with. You have a connection to the area? The changes to U-City over the past 20 years is amazing. 52nd&Market might be a White shopping area again in my lifetime, whoduthunkit?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, I'm in the area. I live out in the burbs but I have occasion to visit now and then - it used to be much more frequently when my daughter did her fencing training in W. Philly.

    Drexel has also been going gangbusters.

  94. @Grandpa Jack
    @Jack D

    "No matter what you do, you can’t make a housepet out of a hyena."

    Nevertheless, I hear there are some Somalian geniuses working on this very problem even as we speak.

    Replies: @Daniel H

  95. @The Z Blog
    It was not that long ago when the NYTimes was singing a different tune about the Charm City cops.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/18/us/ashes-and-tears-in-lost-battle-of-drug-war.html

    The short version is a woman in one of the ghetto neighborhoods started calling the cops on the drug dealers. The drug dealers fire bombed her house killing her and her six kids. They arrested her neighbor, a former page to the City Council, but everyone assumes he was hired by the drug gangs.

    Replies: @donut

    I have commented on this incident before . What happened to that woman and those children was an outrage. I myself thought at the time that the cops were in on it . How else to explain such a travesty ? Indifference , incompetence a broke down legal system ? If snitches get stitches it’s with the compliance of law enforcement , the courts and our our ever vigilance “human rights” activists .

    • Replies: @Kyle
    @donut

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/carmelo-anthony-featured-in-drug-video

  96. @Mr. Anon
    @helena

    "there’s another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals."

    Maybe those "communities" (as inner-city ghettos are so often misnamed) are getting exactly what they want.

    Replies: @helena

    well they are in a way but a series of ‘last man standing’ type competitions might be preferable to shoot-outs. http://www.bbc.co.uk/lastmanstanding/athletes/ – except there’s no info about it but it was a really good ‘documentary’ about european athletes travelling round the world playing in native sports – heel kicking, waste-grabbing, stick wielding – all different.

  97. @otto the P
    The quote pointing out the stench of pot smoke in Baltimore parks lets me bang another drum, for whatever purpose. Has anyone done research on to what degree marijuana usage permeates ghetto culture? In fact, many, if not all, of the blue on black non-compliance shootings seem to involve young guys cooked out of skull on pot, or worse. Yet it's never noted at time, and if revealed in autopsy it seems as if by fiat it is not a big thing. Add marijuana usage to low IQ, bad decision making and no moral guidance, and you've got a young man who is looking to get tagged by a 9mm. Yet again, all these episodes are laid at the feet of the po-po (as the cops are called in Baltimore) and not depicted as the low-character stupidity they really represent, Kid, don't want to get popped? Don't go do crime while high. Don't do ANYTHING while high. In fact, don't get high at all. That's only for ironic whites who can giggle, listen to old Garcia vinyl, then go to the Pancake House when it wears off.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Anonymous

    You forgot the fact that blacks metabolize weed differently than whites do, which explains the higher prevalence of insane, insensible violence with blacks and weed.

  98. @Svigor

    There is something impressive about the big media’s ability to pick a patently false story (e.g., police racism in Baltimore, Haven Monahan) and then as the absurdity of it becomes more and more apparent, double-down and triple-down and dodecuple-down on the phony story.
     

    they just memory hole them and never speak of them again
     
    Lying 101: rule #1, never admit to telling a lie. Always change the subject when caught out is rule #2. No surprise that the leftist corporate media has the fundamentals of lying down to a tee.

    The commercial growers of marijuana in California call it weed. Dope is still popular
     
    Around here, people will laugh at you for calling MJ "dope," because dope is what everyone calls coke.

    Replies: @snorlax, @FX Enderby

    In NJ “Dope” is strictly heroin – which some Whites also call “diesel.” For some strange reason, blacks often call it dope but in strict ebonics it’s called “P” like the letter on Sesame Street. I have asked several Blacks what the “P” is supposed to stand for but nobody seems to know – “it just mean dope, fool.”

    Btw, snortable cocaine is called “powder” while “Coke” mostly means crack cocaine.

  99. @Svigor

    If you corner a hard core true believer leftist that works in the DOJ and helped compile this report about the Baltimore PD, he or she or xe or it will claim that the abusive cops are the cause of the increased black violent crime rate.
     
    Duh. Leftists pretty much hang their hats on the tacit assumption that blacks are subhuman, and thus lack agency.

    But let's go with this: if increasing law enforcement pressure on blacks causes black criminality to increase, and lowering law enforcement pressure on them causes their criminality to decrease, then let's just save some money and stop policing blacks altogether.

    That will drop the black crime rate to zero, and we'll save lots of money.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Replies: @iSteveFan

    Or, if white racism is to blame for all this, how about segregating the white population from the people of color. Problem solved.

  100. @Arclight
    It's been pointed out here many times that one of the most important determinants of a nation's success is the median IQ...same thing with cities. For most of my adult life I lived in DC and spent a lot of time in Baltimore as well since I had many friends who moved there for cheaper housing. In short, the average black resident of either city is just not smart - I grew up in a large city that was 30% black and both of my parents are from large cities with large black populations and the blacks in all three places are just smarter than those in DC/Baltimore, which also means everyone gets along a lot better too.

    I recall the Washington Post pointing out in an article on education that poor black kids in NYC are two grade levels ahead of comparable kids in DC - the piece looked for technocratic reasons why this might be the case, but the simple answer is that one city just has a more intelligent group than the other and no amount of educational "reform" is going to close what is essentially a built in gap. Some cities have an unusual amount of human detritus - the only answer is to try and make them someone else's problem, which is what administrations in DC and Chicago have tried to do over the last 10-15 years, with some success.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Forbes, @Anonymous, @Kyle, @Olorin, @Buffalo Joe

    Arc, I am not a biologist or geneticist, but when one man fathers 8,10 or 12 kids with seven or eight different women, and one women has 6, 7 or 8 kids with as many men, I think, and I could be wrong , that eventually you have cousins breeding with cousins. And I also think that in cities, such as Baltimore, the out of wedlock rates, in the inner city, approaches 100%.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Buffalo Joe

    "wrong , that eventually you have cousins breeding with cousins. And I also think that in cities, such as Baltimore, the out of wedlock rates, in the inner city, approaches 100%."

    When I was in high school (mid Atlantic state in the early 80's) there were three black kids all sharing the same last name. They introduced each other as their "cousins". It turns out they had the same mom, three different dads.

    The term "cousin" in that culture is a bit more fluid than in some other cultures.

  101. @Andrew Jackson
    @helena


    there’s another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

     

    I’ve made this point over and over again. There may be kids who have potential in the ghetto, but is it really worth the time, effort, and resources spent to identify those “kids with potential” and then do everything we can to make sure they achieve that potential by showering them with affirmative action and letting all the other detritus run wild? We’re at the point we’re an old lady isn’t allowed to clutch her purse and cross the street when she sees “this youth with potential” because of the terrible psychological impact of this heinous microaggression on the poor “youth with potential.”

    I say screw it. We all have obstacles to success in our lives. The obstacles to these “youth with potential” are primarily other blacks and the fact that they look like them. They can transcend those obstacles or they can not, but they aren’t being held back by any kind of institutional racism or anything silly like that. Best of luck to them, but I’m not interested in turning everything on its head to pick the grain from the feces. That’s an incredibly stupid thing to do. We should be maximizing the potential of our very best, not sifting through feces.

    Replies: @helena, @Forbes

    “but is it really worth the time, effort, and resources spent to identify those “kids with potential” and then do everything we can to make sure they achieve that potential by showering them with affirmative action and letting all the other detritus run wild?”

    no it isn’t. What I’m saying is put energy into protesting exactly those liberal policies that are making the problem, or at least making it worse. Supposing a load of whites demonstrated for black teachers for black students? how would that go down?

  102. @Paul Kersey
    Steve,

    if you ever seen the documentary "12 O'Clock Boys" (about black, illegal dirt bike riders who take over Baltimore whenever they want), you know law and order doesn't exist in 65 percent black Baltimore.

    Trailer --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMQY6k16TU

    Worse, the cops KNOW most of the bikes are stolen and do nothing about it, because they fear what would when the black community gets upset that their black sons lose the ability to ride around on stolen bikes unmolested...

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2015/09/if-almost-all-of-dirt-bikes-in.html

    From the above article (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/08/09/police-in-riot-gear-attempt-to-clear-large-crowd-of-dirt-bikers-in-baltimore/):

    “They impose a very immediate and extreme danger, to the community as they do not ordinarily follow traffic rules and regulations,” said Marc Partee, Commander North West District.

    “This is not a sport, this is not fun, and it continues to drain my resources and the individuals that actually live in the community are not happy with it all,” Partee said.

    According to authorities, a majority of these dirt bikes are stolen and encourage people to report them when spotted.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Brutusale

    Paul, I responded to another commenter and mentioned “12 O’clock Boys.” Saddest part is that the main character is a 12 year old boy, Pug, who has no chance at a normal life, because his mother is basically a POS.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Buffalo Joe

    Actually, Joe, that IS normal life for his/their slot in their population genetics.

    Not sure why people have such a hard time comprehending this.

    , @Ozymandias
    @Buffalo Joe

    "...Pug, who has no chance at a normal life, because his mother is basically a POS."

    If only we could offer her a career in doing something simple, like having children for instance, the future would be a lot brighter.

    And bonus money for not having a father in the house. That should take care of things. This social engineering thing is easy.

  103. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    I had a few sins forgiven by those double dipping retirees. As a White, non-college student they weren't too bad to deal with. You have a connection to the area? The changes to U-City over the past 20 years is amazing. 52nd&Market might be a White shopping area again in my lifetime, whoduthunkit?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Yeah, I’m in the area. I live out in the burbs but I have occasion to visit now and then – it used to be much more frequently when my daughter did her fencing training in W. Philly.

    Drexel has also been going gangbusters.

  104. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @TheJester

    And smack dab in the middle of this festering reservation: Johns Hopkins University, America's premier medical college.

    The history of prestigious academic institutions once located in white centers of influence and culture that now require their own police forces is an under-reported one.

    Replies: @Ed, @Almost Missouri, @Jack D, @Alden, @Buffalo Joe

    Anti, I believe, the white version of “The Talk” was written because of the neighborhood that surrounded Temple U. Many of the older Jesuit Colleges, including my Alma Mater, Canisius (Buffalo) are now in sketchy parts of the inner city.

  105. @TheJester
    @Almost Missouri

    We are now apparently in a "memo-driven" society. For example, a memo is quietly circulated that, this week, all Confederate flags will be removed from all shelves and marketing channels ... and it works! In less than a week, you couldn't find Confederate flags in any of the major retail or on-line outlets.

    Now, memos are being circulated that police departments in numerous cities are guilty of "racism", even when, in many cases, they are departments in Black cities run by Black city governments and manned with primarily Black officers. It's coordinated. First, BLM rants that a police department is guilty of racism. Then, the Black-run Federal Justice Department federalizes the issue, releasing a report that BLM was right in the case of, let's say, Baltimore since 91% of the people police stopped were Black in a city that is 93% Black ... apparently anything to protect the narrative.

    My question is a bit different than normal. How can I get on the "memo" list? I keep getting blindsided by globalism, corporate-based trading agreements, open borders, the value of diversity, what my attitude toward race should be, and the recent decision that social deviants are and always have been model citizens and stellar members of society. I'm always in the catchup mode ... and I'm tired of it.

    It would help me immensely to get my directions along with everyone else so I can prepare for these radical social, cultural, and political changes. Can anyone help?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Harry Baldwin

    Somewhere, the Journo-list people are still coordinating stories/lies. Maybe one day one of them will grow a conscience and defect. Or maybe someone less than fully blue-pilled could gain access.

    Or maybe some of Hillary’s missing emails could have shed some light.

    I actually think a lot of the memo coordination takes place in rather prosaic ways, which is why it never causes much stir despite creating deep and pervasive bias. For example, meetings of Democratic party leaders, locally or nationally, often include heads of local or national media outlets (editors or publishers), either directly at the table or in their immediate sphere of personal/business communication. So they formally or informally share memes and intentions. They probably don’t consider this a conspiracy (though it is) or a conflict of interest (though it is) because they are not breaking the law and they don’t really have any moral sense beyond avoiding making themselves obvious prosecution targets.

    Journo-list was a bit of a scandal because much of it was actual news writers (rather than editors and publishers) conspiring in how to lie to their readers. Strangely, the readers (i.e., Leftists) didn’t seem to mind that they were being lied to. They just minded that the exposure of Journo-list made their preferred form of comfort-falsehood dispensation appear almost as sordid as it actually is. Now that the Left’s media-political complex is safely hidden again, the writers can carry on lying and the readers can carry on being lied to in their preferred way and everyone is happy again.

    The list of people who have shifted between the media and the Democratic party is extremely long, because they aren’t really separate in the first place. The list of people who have shifted between the media and the Republican party is extremely short, and on the rare occasions it happens it is usually accompanied by wailing and gnashing of teeth in the press.

  106. @Olorin
    @Arclight

    Actually, it's (distribution around) mean IQ, not (absolute) median IQ, that's the issue.

    But here's the thing. For half a century and many trillions of dollars, DWLs and their neocon doppelgangers have pushed the idea that we have to save blacks, and failing that (which is inevitable), we have to save The Talented Tenth.

    On the mean IQ distribution, the top 10 percent of blacks starts at a point above which about 40% of whites and 50% of Asians fall.

    Those blacks got out of Bodymore a long time ago, just as they got out of Camden, Chester, and Detroit. We hear all the time about the evils of "white flight." But never a peep about blacks of mean to plus-1 IQ ditching low IQ, disorderly blacks FOR THE EXACT SAME REASONS.

    We might argue that the failure of the "civil rights"/"affirmative action" experiment is precisely that it was so good at removing talented blacks from their own communities. Those who stay, or go back, face a genetic situation that no amount of politics or ideology can fix.

    Instead we get this demented pap about the Baltimaumau's problem being Too Much Law And Order.

    Considering who David A. Graham is might go a long way toward clearing this up, and here is one example:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/fashion/weddings/leslie-griffith-david-graham-weddings.html

    Perhaps he was traumatized at Duke by all the Rape Culture or something.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @artichoke

    Rochester, NY, has one of the worst hoods per capita you’ll ever see.

    I talked to people who said they moved there from NYC to get away from the bad element, only to find that Rochester’s locals were even worse.

    The locals blamed the people moving there from NYC and bringing their bad kids with them.

  107. @helena
    @Jack D

    that's not what i said, i said potential. in fact they all have potential and they are not reaching it in the confines of european culture. two avenues need to be pursued, a)integration into european professions b) a disctinct self-determined working class. and help with credit unions, small business, youth and community, etc. but it can't happen as long as folks cling on to BLM and reparation and welfare.

    Replies: @bomag, @Buffalo Joe

    helena, Actually, the term should be “American” culture, which is a blend of Europe and Africa. Remember, the blacks that have the most trouble in the USA are born here and their families go back multi-generations. Toronto tried Afro-centric schools, I’ll ask for one of our resident Canadians to fill you in on that experiment. Black teachers as a cure, sure, except we can’t produce enough qualified ones. Judge Kimba Woods, a black federal judge in NYC, appointed by Bubba, has thrown out the last two NYC Teacher’s exam as being racist. It’s not racist helena, it’s just to difficult for some to pass. If we allow unqualified teachers into inner city schools, when will the protest against that start? PS, i am not the best writer but things read easier with capitalization and punctuation thank you

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Judge Kimba Woods, a black federal judge in NYC"

    Despite the misleading name, Kimba Wood is as white as Mayonnaise. See for ex.

    http://platzer-twinimages.photoshelter.com/image/I0000sygZX_XxqMs

    , @helena
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Black teachers as a cure, sure, except we can’t produce enough qualified ones....If we allow unqualified teachers into inner city schools, when will the protest against that start? "

    I know what I'm saying sounds idealistic. What I'm talking about is the first step, changing the discourse.

    What qualifications should be appropriate for African-American schools?

    Instead of Americans complaining about black behaviour, they could start demanding (e.g.) 'black teachers for black schools'. It sounds like black power but in reality it is a way of steering the prevailing attitude towards, 'black schools with black curricula'.

    Replies: @artichoke

    , @Forbes
    @Buffalo Joe

    https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M8ab18dcbd88c7be4ea10e5c8ee468022H2&w=158&h=214&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0

    This Kimba Wood?

    , @Forbes
    @Buffalo Joe

    Appointed by Reagan?

  108. OT ; I just went on a run to the liquor store and for some smokes . When I got back there was this jumbo size moving van parked in the roadway . Just three people unloading it as far as I could tell . I asked the young girl with the red tint in her hair and a T-shirt with a progressive slogan on it “are you moving in or out ?” She replied , I shit you not “I’m just helping them move” , me : “oh , from where ?” Her “from St Louis , I don’t even know where that is” There is no hope for the future of America .

  109. @helena
    "the only answer"

    there's another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Oliver Ironside, @Jack D, @Andrew Jackson, @Kylie, @William Badwhite, @Olorin

    “what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.”

    In debate terms this is what is known as a baseless assertion. You merely stated an opinion, masquerading as fact.

    There is zero evidence that the “vicious cycle” can be broken.

    • Replies: @helena
    @William Badwhite

    What I'm getting at is the hbd view, 'where does culture come from?'.

    Logic tells me that there must be a way to find a biologically-based cultural equilibrium between ethnic groups. Live and let live.

    But live, not assassinate each other in gang warfare.

    Warfare or welfare maybe, but we could at least try to make the welfare appropriate to a community's nature and potential. We broke it, we have to fix it. Slavery is the reason millions of Africans were relocated to the US.

    If nothing else, then lots of free paint-ball parks.

    (extreme) Liberalism is what is giving the African-American community the hope that all of them can have/achieve everything that White/European culture has/does.

    The difference between Hillary standing up rousing audiences with her support for BLM etc. is a stark contrast to the reaction in the UK. Liberals here are going to have to be leant on by American Liberalism in order to get past the immediate reaction (last week) of, 'Huh? Why do Black British need a BLM Movement?'.

    Replies: @Andrew Jackson, @William Badwhite, @artichoke

  110. @bomag
    @TheJester


    52-year long experiment in racial and cultural integration costing trillions of dollars
     
    I get a vibe from reading about pre-1960 America that people often did their own law enforcement, e.g. Emmett Till; mobsters. Progress via J. Edgar Hoover et al brought us a professional enough police force that they could promise to police integration enough to let us reap all the benefits of that idea. But, to paraphrase, Blacks can stay criminal longer than we can stay solvent.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    bomag, born in ’46, so I remember police walking the beat in my Buffalo neighborhood. Also, and very important, cops actually lived in the neighborhood.

  111. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @AndrewR


    Who calls cannabis “pot”? What is it, 1975?
     
    Who other than a botanist, calls it "cannabis?"

    Most people refer to it as "weed," "herbage," or some term along those lines.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    I call it cannabis when speaking more formally. I dislike the “m” word for various reasons. In casual contexts I generally say “weed.”

    • Replies: @Auntie Analogue
    @AndrewR

    My dear AndrewR, whatever happened to "reefer," "tea," and "herb"?

    Cocaine was, perhaps still is, called snow, or blow, or flake.

    The crack epidemic was preceded by users performing its volatile cocaine conversion process by themselves - freebasing. That's how Richard Pryor set himself on fire.

  112. @helena
    @Kylie

    As I remember it, things were going okish before pc came in. pc promotes ghettoisation. some ethnic folks have been 'forced' through social messages to adopt behaviours they might not otherwise have done. there has been no stigmatisation of gang culture. or not enough anyway, instead it has been heralded and welcomed into 'world culture'. i know the US is particular and i'm not there. the US has a specific problem that I don't see so much in the UK. but if colonialism worked in Africa then the answer lies with europeans organising events that distract people from gangs.

    Replies: @Kylie

    I don’t even know where to start.

    Seriously.

  113. @TheJester
    @Almost Missouri

    We are now apparently in a "memo-driven" society. For example, a memo is quietly circulated that, this week, all Confederate flags will be removed from all shelves and marketing channels ... and it works! In less than a week, you couldn't find Confederate flags in any of the major retail or on-line outlets.

    Now, memos are being circulated that police departments in numerous cities are guilty of "racism", even when, in many cases, they are departments in Black cities run by Black city governments and manned with primarily Black officers. It's coordinated. First, BLM rants that a police department is guilty of racism. Then, the Black-run Federal Justice Department federalizes the issue, releasing a report that BLM was right in the case of, let's say, Baltimore since 91% of the people police stopped were Black in a city that is 93% Black ... apparently anything to protect the narrative.

    My question is a bit different than normal. How can I get on the "memo" list? I keep getting blindsided by globalism, corporate-based trading agreements, open borders, the value of diversity, what my attitude toward race should be, and the recent decision that social deviants are and always have been model citizens and stellar members of society. I'm always in the catchup mode ... and I'm tired of it.

    It would help me immensely to get my directions along with everyone else so I can prepare for these radical social, cultural, and political changes. Can anyone help?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Harry Baldwin

    The Black-run Federal Justice Department federalizes the issue after they get humiliated by the exoneration of the police officer(s) they initially accused of racism. It’s a combination of spite, SJW-style doubling down, and redirecting the narrative. “Okay, so we couldn’t nail those cops for the death of Freddie Gray, but dammit, the whole department is racist from top to bottom!”

  114. Reefer. No there’s one you don’t hear every day.

  115. @Buffalo Joe
    @Arclight

    Arc, I am not a biologist or geneticist, but when one man fathers 8,10 or 12 kids with seven or eight different women, and one women has 6, 7 or 8 kids with as many men, I think, and I could be wrong , that eventually you have cousins breeding with cousins. And I also think that in cities, such as Baltimore, the out of wedlock rates, in the inner city, approaches 100%.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    “wrong , that eventually you have cousins breeding with cousins. And I also think that in cities, such as Baltimore, the out of wedlock rates, in the inner city, approaches 100%.”

    When I was in high school (mid Atlantic state in the early 80’s) there were three black kids all sharing the same last name. They introduced each other as their “cousins”. It turns out they had the same mom, three different dads.

    The term “cousin” in that culture is a bit more fluid than in some other cultures.

  116. @donut
    @The Z Blog

    I have commented on this incident before . What happened to that woman and those children was an outrage. I myself thought at the time that the cops were in on it . How else to explain such a travesty ? Indifference , incompetence a broke down legal system ? If snitches get stitches it's with the compliance of law enforcement , the courts and our our ever vigilance "human rights" activists .

    Replies: @Kyle

  117. @TheJester
    Seen from another perspective, the Blacks in Baltimore will soon get the low-key policing they ask for, balanced with the cliche that you had better be careful about what you ask for because you might get it. The Black citizens of Baltimore will soon get the law and order they deserve. Predict that Baltimore will eventually become another African "bantustan" within the contiguous United States.

    One might call all of this ... BLM, anti-cop, low marriage rates, high out-of-wedlock pregnancy rates, mindless violence, pervasive drug addiction ... a Back to Africa movement. Regardless of affirmative action, diversity, safe spaces, and reparations camouflaged as welfare can make Africans into Northern Europeans. The cultural and social (and perhaps genetic) divide between sub-Saharan Africans and especially Northern Europeans is simply too broad to bridge. It is a permanent condition.

    The United States tried a 52-year long experiment in racial and cultural integration costing trillions of dollars. The experiment destroyed model school systems, neighborhoods, communities, and whole cities in a social experiment to change the culture of its citizens ... by force. It displaced tens of millions of people as internal refugees as citizens lost the fundamental right of association. The program was perhaps modeled on the Reconstruction of the South after the Civil War, although this time it was imposed on the entire population. It failed.

    Replies: @Jim, @The Anti-Gnostic, @bomag, @Buffalo Joe, @SteveRogers42

    It’s 2016. We could have cities on the moon. Instead, we set fire to a trillion dollars and twisted our entire society and culture into an unrecognizeable mess in a futile attempt to do something far more difficult than mere interplanetary travel.

  118. @AndrewR
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I call it cannabis when speaking more formally. I dislike the "m" word for various reasons. In casual contexts I generally say "weed."

    Replies: @Auntie Analogue

    My dear AndrewR, whatever happened to “reefer,” “tea,” and “herb”?

    Cocaine was, perhaps still is, called snow, or blow, or flake.

    The crack epidemic was preceded by users performing its volatile cocaine conversion process by themselves – freebasing. That’s how Richard Pryor set himself on fire.

  119. @helena
    "the only answer"

    there's another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Oliver Ironside, @Jack D, @Andrew Jackson, @Kylie, @William Badwhite, @Olorin

    You are assuming that these “communities” want the same things you do.

    You racist.

    • Replies: @helena
    @Olorin

    My point exactly and yes, guilty as charged. What do they want? I don't know but I think street cleaning services is one thing. Community service on dump trucks (or trash lorries or whatever you say), for instance. Use the penalties for crime to put back structures into the community - structures the community can relate to.

    Clubs and workshops on Basic Maths and Budgeting, Basic English and form-filling, braiding, car maintenance, African-American cookery, African cookery, Mexican cookery, mother and baby health, the bean-game competitions. Big investment, yes. But how much does policing and encarceration cost?

  120. @Buffalo Joe
    @Paul Kersey

    Paul, I responded to another commenter and mentioned "12 O'clock Boys." Saddest part is that the main character is a 12 year old boy, Pug, who has no chance at a normal life, because his mother is basically a POS.

    Replies: @Olorin, @Ozymandias

    Actually, Joe, that IS normal life for his/their slot in their population genetics.

    Not sure why people have such a hard time comprehending this.

  121. @Buffalo Joe
    @Paul Kersey

    Paul, I responded to another commenter and mentioned "12 O'clock Boys." Saddest part is that the main character is a 12 year old boy, Pug, who has no chance at a normal life, because his mother is basically a POS.

    Replies: @Olorin, @Ozymandias

    “…Pug, who has no chance at a normal life, because his mother is basically a POS.”

    If only we could offer her a career in doing something simple, like having children for instance, the future would be a lot brighter.

    And bonus money for not having a father in the house. That should take care of things. This social engineering thing is easy.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  122. @Buffalo Joe
    @helena

    helena, Actually, the term should be "American" culture, which is a blend of Europe and Africa. Remember, the blacks that have the most trouble in the USA are born here and their families go back multi-generations. Toronto tried Afro-centric schools, I'll ask for one of our resident Canadians to fill you in on that experiment. Black teachers as a cure, sure, except we can't produce enough qualified ones. Judge Kimba Woods, a black federal judge in NYC, appointed by Bubba, has thrown out the last two NYC Teacher's exam as being racist. It's not racist helena, it's just to difficult for some to pass. If we allow unqualified teachers into inner city schools, when will the protest against that start? PS, i am not the best writer but things read easier with capitalization and punctuation thank you

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @helena, @Forbes, @Forbes

    “Judge Kimba Woods, a black federal judge in NYC”

    Despite the misleading name, Kimba Wood is as white as Mayonnaise. See for ex.

    http://platzer-twinimages.photoshelter.com/image/I0000sygZX_XxqMs

  123. @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    As an aside, this Conor Friedersdorf is a bit of an interesting case. He’s occasionally presented as something of a house conservative by the organs who publish him, yet he’s never written anything conservative that I’ve ever noticed.

    Is Friedersdorf among the people who believe they are jewish?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    I tend to think of Friedersdorf’s surname as indicating descent from the Germanic Midwesterners who filled up SoCal in the early twentieth century. Friedersdorf’s writing style, a sort of brittlely naive midwestern niceness meets faux sophisticated coastalism, fits with this.

  124. http://jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4976

    Analysis, plus the final paragraph of the comment.

  125. @William Badwhite
    @helena

    "what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken."

    In debate terms this is what is known as a baseless assertion. You merely stated an opinion, masquerading as fact.

    There is zero evidence that the "vicious cycle" can be broken.

    Replies: @helena

    What I’m getting at is the hbd view, ‘where does culture come from?’.

    Logic tells me that there must be a way to find a biologically-based cultural equilibrium between ethnic groups. Live and let live.

    But live, not assassinate each other in gang warfare.

    Warfare or welfare maybe, but we could at least try to make the welfare appropriate to a community’s nature and potential. We broke it, we have to fix it. Slavery is the reason millions of Africans were relocated to the US.

    If nothing else, then lots of free paint-ball parks.

    (extreme) Liberalism is what is giving the African-American community the hope that all of them can have/achieve everything that White/European culture has/does.

    The difference between Hillary standing up rousing audiences with her support for BLM etc. is a stark contrast to the reaction in the UK. Liberals here are going to have to be leant on by American Liberalism in order to get past the immediate reaction (last week) of, ‘Huh? Why do Black British need a BLM Movement?’.

    • Replies: @Andrew Jackson
    @helena


    Logic tells me that there must be a way to find a biologically-based cultural equilibrium between ethnic groups. Live and let live.
     
    Whatever it is in your head that's telling you that, it's not logic.

    Warfare or welfare maybe, but we could at least try to make the welfare appropriate to a community’s nature and potential. We broke it, we have to fix it. Slavery is the reason millions of Africans were relocated to the US.
     
    Nobody here is going to agree with you on this, because it's not true. You've spent too much effort thinking about how you can fix the black's problems for them. But the fact of the matter is, Afro-Americans descended from slaves are better off in this country than they would be if they had stayed in Africa. We didn't break anything. Africans were Africans. They were brought to America, but it turns out, that Africans are still Africans. We can't fix them.
    , @William Badwhite
    @helena

    "Logic tells me that there must be a way to find a biologically-based cultural equilibrium between ethnic groups. Live and let live. "

    With all due respect logic has nothing to do with it. Logic is "a =b, b=c, therefore a = c". Logic formally understood is almost like math - it can't be refuted because it is...logical.

    I'm not aware of many examples of distinct ethnic groups living peacefully among one another without some outside agency (i.e. central government).

    "Warfare or welfare maybe, but we could at least try to make the welfare appropriate to a community’s nature and potential. We broke it, we have to fix it. Slavery is the reason millions of Africans were relocated to the US. "

    We didn't break anything, unless you believe in collective guilt. I have never owned a slave. That said, even granting you your view (which I don't) that whites have some collective responsibility to "fix" the black community, there doesn't seem to be any way to do this. Its been tried, trillions have been spent and they're not any closer to being "fixed" than they were before we started. In fact in many ways they're worse.

    "(extreme) Liberalism is what is giving the African-American community the hope that all of them can have/achieve everything that White/European culture has/does. "

    If that is what liberalism is doing, then it is doing tremendous harm. Expectations of white levels of material wealth is one thing driving the ceaseless grievances of the black community. The African-American community will never have or achieve everything that the white/European culture has. In fact, you could replace "everything" with "anything" and it would still be true.

    Further, do you have any evidence that they even want white/european culture or its achievements? They want the material comfort that comes with that culture, but they seem to have little interest in any other aspect. Why do liberals insist that blacks be just like whites?

    , @artichoke
    @helena

    Hillary isn't getting any rousing audiences and can't fill a high school gym. Trump, with his dog-whistles against deviations from individual responsibility and freedom, is filling stadiums. If "American Liberalism" tries leaning on the "Black British", if they've got a decent instinct for self preservation (or justice or common sense) they will tell those Americans to go back across the pond.

    Besides the Black British are not former slaves and doubtless look down on those losers their ancestors captured and sold a few hundred years ago. If people from the West hadn't bought those slaves, someone else would have -- or they would have just been killed. We didn't break it, even those of us with slave-owning ancestors.

    Lincoln tried to fix it by returning the slaves after freeing them, but then in a trick he was killed and US Grant started Reconstruction instead. So maybe Grant broke it.

    There is an equilibrium that works between races. Blacks over there, whites over here. SCOTUS stirred the pot and created an impossible situation with "separate cannot be equal" in combination with the 14th Amendment, but here we see the legal roadblocks and what to fix legally to make our country work again.

  126. @Olorin
    @helena

    You are assuming that these "communities" want the same things you do.

    You racist.

    Replies: @helena

    My point exactly and yes, guilty as charged. What do they want? I don’t know but I think street cleaning services is one thing. Community service on dump trucks (or trash lorries or whatever you say), for instance. Use the penalties for crime to put back structures into the community – structures the community can relate to.

    Clubs and workshops on Basic Maths and Budgeting, Basic English and form-filling, braiding, car maintenance, African-American cookery, African cookery, Mexican cookery, mother and baby health, the bean-game competitions. Big investment, yes. But how much does policing and encarceration cost?

  127. @Buffalo Joe
    @helena

    helena, Actually, the term should be "American" culture, which is a blend of Europe and Africa. Remember, the blacks that have the most trouble in the USA are born here and their families go back multi-generations. Toronto tried Afro-centric schools, I'll ask for one of our resident Canadians to fill you in on that experiment. Black teachers as a cure, sure, except we can't produce enough qualified ones. Judge Kimba Woods, a black federal judge in NYC, appointed by Bubba, has thrown out the last two NYC Teacher's exam as being racist. It's not racist helena, it's just to difficult for some to pass. If we allow unqualified teachers into inner city schools, when will the protest against that start? PS, i am not the best writer but things read easier with capitalization and punctuation thank you

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @helena, @Forbes, @Forbes

    “Black teachers as a cure, sure, except we can’t produce enough qualified ones….If we allow unqualified teachers into inner city schools, when will the protest against that start? ”

    I know what I’m saying sounds idealistic. What I’m talking about is the first step, changing the discourse.

    What qualifications should be appropriate for African-American schools?

    Instead of Americans complaining about black behaviour, they could start demanding (e.g.) ‘black teachers for black schools’. It sounds like black power but in reality it is a way of steering the prevailing attitude towards, ‘black schools with black curricula‘.

    • Replies: @artichoke
    @helena

    OK you can have the black schools with black teachers and black curricula. But then you will be going further away from the other thing you wanted -- "integration into European professions". If you take the centrality of things like English grammar and math out of schools via "black curricula" and teachers with less of such qualification (which will happen when you add other constraints i.e. being black) then the few STEM professionals who you can get out of the black population under current conditions will be even less likely to make it.

  128. @helena
    @William Badwhite

    What I'm getting at is the hbd view, 'where does culture come from?'.

    Logic tells me that there must be a way to find a biologically-based cultural equilibrium between ethnic groups. Live and let live.

    But live, not assassinate each other in gang warfare.

    Warfare or welfare maybe, but we could at least try to make the welfare appropriate to a community's nature and potential. We broke it, we have to fix it. Slavery is the reason millions of Africans were relocated to the US.

    If nothing else, then lots of free paint-ball parks.

    (extreme) Liberalism is what is giving the African-American community the hope that all of them can have/achieve everything that White/European culture has/does.

    The difference between Hillary standing up rousing audiences with her support for BLM etc. is a stark contrast to the reaction in the UK. Liberals here are going to have to be leant on by American Liberalism in order to get past the immediate reaction (last week) of, 'Huh? Why do Black British need a BLM Movement?'.

    Replies: @Andrew Jackson, @William Badwhite, @artichoke

    Logic tells me that there must be a way to find a biologically-based cultural equilibrium between ethnic groups. Live and let live.

    Whatever it is in your head that’s telling you that, it’s not logic.

    Warfare or welfare maybe, but we could at least try to make the welfare appropriate to a community’s nature and potential. We broke it, we have to fix it. Slavery is the reason millions of Africans were relocated to the US.

    Nobody here is going to agree with you on this, because it’s not true. You’ve spent too much effort thinking about how you can fix the black’s problems for them. But the fact of the matter is, Afro-Americans descended from slaves are better off in this country than they would be if they had stayed in Africa. We didn’t break anything. Africans were Africans. They were brought to America, but it turns out, that Africans are still Africans. We can’t fix them.

  129. @Diversity Heretic
    @SteveRogers42

    I thought that the idea of the Talented Tenth came from W.E.B. DuBois, but I'll stand corrected. Unfortunately, it's more like the Talented Two percent.

    Replies: @SteveRogers42, @Brutusale

    Like everything else, it looks like it came from YT:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Talented_Tenth

  130. @Paul Kersey
    Steve,

    if you ever seen the documentary "12 O'Clock Boys" (about black, illegal dirt bike riders who take over Baltimore whenever they want), you know law and order doesn't exist in 65 percent black Baltimore.

    Trailer --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMQY6k16TU

    Worse, the cops KNOW most of the bikes are stolen and do nothing about it, because they fear what would when the black community gets upset that their black sons lose the ability to ride around on stolen bikes unmolested...

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2015/09/if-almost-all-of-dirt-bikes-in.html

    From the above article (http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/08/09/police-in-riot-gear-attempt-to-clear-large-crowd-of-dirt-bikers-in-baltimore/):

    “They impose a very immediate and extreme danger, to the community as they do not ordinarily follow traffic rules and regulations,” said Marc Partee, Commander North West District.

    “This is not a sport, this is not fun, and it continues to drain my resources and the individuals that actually live in the community are not happy with it all,” Partee said.

    According to authorities, a majority of these dirt bikes are stolen and encourage people to report them when spotted.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Brutusale

    It stated up in Boston last spring. Neither the residents nor the cops were amused, and they shut that stuff down immediately.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2016/05/boston_cops_seize_22_dirt_bikes_atvs

    The Boston cops have stuck with the Bratton strategy. The black ministers that usually start the trouble know that when they go up against the BPD they’d better have their facts straight.

  131. @Andrew Jackson
    @helena


    there’s another answer and that is to remove the pc and start genuinely working with communities about what they want to do and how they want to do it and then help them achieve their goals. but only when the arguments about BLM, reparation, affirmativity, etc have been dispensed with in a fair and balanced way. some of those kids do have potential. what has been created is a vicious cycle, enabled by pc, but it can be broken.

     

    I’ve made this point over and over again. There may be kids who have potential in the ghetto, but is it really worth the time, effort, and resources spent to identify those “kids with potential” and then do everything we can to make sure they achieve that potential by showering them with affirmative action and letting all the other detritus run wild? We’re at the point we’re an old lady isn’t allowed to clutch her purse and cross the street when she sees “this youth with potential” because of the terrible psychological impact of this heinous microaggression on the poor “youth with potential.”

    I say screw it. We all have obstacles to success in our lives. The obstacles to these “youth with potential” are primarily other blacks and the fact that they look like them. They can transcend those obstacles or they can not, but they aren’t being held back by any kind of institutional racism or anything silly like that. Best of luck to them, but I’m not interested in turning everything on its head to pick the grain from the feces. That’s an incredibly stupid thing to do. We should be maximizing the potential of our very best, not sifting through feces.

    Replies: @helena, @Forbes

    There may be kids who have potential in the ghetto, but is it really worth the time, effort, and resources spent to identify those “kids with potential”

    NYC old-fashion liberal Eva Moskowitz opened Success Academy Charter Schools in 2006, serves 14,000 students in 41 inner-city schools. Lottery admission–93% ‘of color.’ These are public charter schools.

    Five of the top five schools in the state in math, and two of the top five schools in English, are Success Academy schools. Among the 4,230 students who were age-eligible to take the 2016 tests, 94% were proficient in math and 82% proficient in ELA. NYC/NYS proficiency averages ~36%. (State-wide 3rd and 8th grade proficiency exams.)

    It can be done. (Teachers’ unions hate charter schools–reflects poorly on them.)

    • Replies: @Andrew Jackson
    @Forbes

    Keep opening more and more charter schools and watch the law of diminishing returns in action.

    Are those "youth with potential" escaping the ghetto? Sounds good, let's stop wasting resources on those who it turns out don't actually have that much potential.

    But ultimately, it's a cost/benefit question, even when done successfully.

  132. @William
    I seem to remember Atlantic magazine making a cameo in The Wire. Brother Mouzun - a legendary Nation of Islam hitman-for-hire from NYC - had a couple of lines about finding a copy of the Atlantic before he set to work icing and/or maiming a few baltimore drug dealers.

    IIRC his gofer had to go a long way to find a copy of the Atlantic since they were in the hoods of baltimore.

    So maybe the Atlantic is just playing to their drug-dealing, islamic, underworld killer-for-hire base with this article?

    Replies: @Forbes

    I think it was Harper’s magazine that the gofer couldn’t find. But Brother Mouzun did a riff on the several magazines he sent the gofer for–the Atlantic and The Nation among them. A broad selection of lefty, commie reads…

  133. @Almost Missouri
    As an aside, this Conor Friedersdorf is a bit of an interesting case. He's occasionally presented as something of a house conservative by the organs who publish him, yet he's never written anything conservative that I've ever noticed. His initiation into big journalism was as "underblogger" to notorious juicer sodomist Andrew Sullivan, which sounds dangerous as well as uncomfortable.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Forbes

    Friedersdorf is a conservative in the same way that anyone to the right of a communist is considered a right-wing fascist.

  134. @Grandpa Jack
    @David In TN

    "Some years ago, a black “journalist” claimed that black crime is caused by reporting on it."


    A true believer in the "tree doesn't make a sound if no one is around to hear it" philosophy. Of course, he'd have a hard time explaining why blacks are committing so much more crime per capita than whites, as the media over-reports white crimes and under-reports black ones.

    Replies: @Forbes

    If a tree falls in the wood, and the NYTimes doesn’t report it, did it make a sound?

  135. @Buffalo Joe
    @helena

    helena, Actually, the term should be "American" culture, which is a blend of Europe and Africa. Remember, the blacks that have the most trouble in the USA are born here and their families go back multi-generations. Toronto tried Afro-centric schools, I'll ask for one of our resident Canadians to fill you in on that experiment. Black teachers as a cure, sure, except we can't produce enough qualified ones. Judge Kimba Woods, a black federal judge in NYC, appointed by Bubba, has thrown out the last two NYC Teacher's exam as being racist. It's not racist helena, it's just to difficult for some to pass. If we allow unqualified teachers into inner city schools, when will the protest against that start? PS, i am not the best writer but things read easier with capitalization and punctuation thank you

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @helena, @Forbes, @Forbes

  136. @Buffalo Joe
    @helena

    helena, Actually, the term should be "American" culture, which is a blend of Europe and Africa. Remember, the blacks that have the most trouble in the USA are born here and their families go back multi-generations. Toronto tried Afro-centric schools, I'll ask for one of our resident Canadians to fill you in on that experiment. Black teachers as a cure, sure, except we can't produce enough qualified ones. Judge Kimba Woods, a black federal judge in NYC, appointed by Bubba, has thrown out the last two NYC Teacher's exam as being racist. It's not racist helena, it's just to difficult for some to pass. If we allow unqualified teachers into inner city schools, when will the protest against that start? PS, i am not the best writer but things read easier with capitalization and punctuation thank you

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @helena, @Forbes, @Forbes

    Appointed by Reagan?

  137. @Jack D
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The University of Pennsylvania (aka Penn) always had a campus police force of sworn, armed officers (usually Phila cops retired after 20 years and double dipping ) but these were unionized and expensive so a number of years ago they hired a private security company (Allied Barton) to supplement with security guards. They posted on of these guards on literally every street corner of the campus and surrounding neighborhood. The annual cost must be millions but, before that, every year one or two Penn grad students (the most vulnerable group - too old to live in the dorms, too poor to live in the suburbs) would get murdered in botched robberies, Seth Rich style and each one would cost the U. untold $ in bad publicity, reduced applications, etc. They have since moved up considerably in the rankings so they probably consider this $ well spent. The U. is also a major land owner in the neighborhood and property values have gone up, so again $ well spent.

    Replies: @Learning, @Anonymous, @Olorin

  138. Cities with the largest black populations will have the highest crime and murder rates. 1+1=2

  139. @Forbes
    @Andrew Jackson


    There may be kids who have potential in the ghetto, but is it really worth the time, effort, and resources spent to identify those “kids with potential”
     
    NYC old-fashion liberal Eva Moskowitz opened Success Academy Charter Schools in 2006, serves 14,000 students in 41 inner-city schools. Lottery admission--93% 'of color.' These are public charter schools.

    Five of the top five schools in the state in math, and two of the top five schools in English, are Success Academy schools. Among the 4,230 students who were age-eligible to take the 2016 tests, 94% were proficient in math and 82% proficient in ELA. NYC/NYS proficiency averages ~36%. (State-wide 3rd and 8th grade proficiency exams.)

    It can be done. (Teachers' unions hate charter schools--reflects poorly on them.)

    Replies: @Andrew Jackson

    Keep opening more and more charter schools and watch the law of diminishing returns in action.

    Are those “youth with potential” escaping the ghetto? Sounds good, let’s stop wasting resources on those who it turns out don’t actually have that much potential.

    But ultimately, it’s a cost/benefit question, even when done successfully.

  140. @helena
    @William Badwhite

    What I'm getting at is the hbd view, 'where does culture come from?'.

    Logic tells me that there must be a way to find a biologically-based cultural equilibrium between ethnic groups. Live and let live.

    But live, not assassinate each other in gang warfare.

    Warfare or welfare maybe, but we could at least try to make the welfare appropriate to a community's nature and potential. We broke it, we have to fix it. Slavery is the reason millions of Africans were relocated to the US.

    If nothing else, then lots of free paint-ball parks.

    (extreme) Liberalism is what is giving the African-American community the hope that all of them can have/achieve everything that White/European culture has/does.

    The difference between Hillary standing up rousing audiences with her support for BLM etc. is a stark contrast to the reaction in the UK. Liberals here are going to have to be leant on by American Liberalism in order to get past the immediate reaction (last week) of, 'Huh? Why do Black British need a BLM Movement?'.

    Replies: @Andrew Jackson, @William Badwhite, @artichoke

    “Logic tells me that there must be a way to find a biologically-based cultural equilibrium between ethnic groups. Live and let live. ”

    With all due respect logic has nothing to do with it. Logic is “a =b, b=c, therefore a = c”. Logic formally understood is almost like math – it can’t be refuted because it is…logical.

    I’m not aware of many examples of distinct ethnic groups living peacefully among one another without some outside agency (i.e. central government).

    “Warfare or welfare maybe, but we could at least try to make the welfare appropriate to a community’s nature and potential. We broke it, we have to fix it. Slavery is the reason millions of Africans were relocated to the US. ”

    We didn’t break anything, unless you believe in collective guilt. I have never owned a slave. That said, even granting you your view (which I don’t) that whites have some collective responsibility to “fix” the black community, there doesn’t seem to be any way to do this. Its been tried, trillions have been spent and they’re not any closer to being “fixed” than they were before we started. In fact in many ways they’re worse.

    “(extreme) Liberalism is what is giving the African-American community the hope that all of them can have/achieve everything that White/European culture has/does. ”

    If that is what liberalism is doing, then it is doing tremendous harm. Expectations of white levels of material wealth is one thing driving the ceaseless grievances of the black community. The African-American community will never have or achieve everything that the white/European culture has. In fact, you could replace “everything” with “anything” and it would still be true.

    Further, do you have any evidence that they even want white/european culture or its achievements? They want the material comfort that comes with that culture, but they seem to have little interest in any other aspect. Why do liberals insist that blacks be just like whites?

  141. @Olorin
    @Arclight

    Actually, it's (distribution around) mean IQ, not (absolute) median IQ, that's the issue.

    But here's the thing. For half a century and many trillions of dollars, DWLs and their neocon doppelgangers have pushed the idea that we have to save blacks, and failing that (which is inevitable), we have to save The Talented Tenth.

    On the mean IQ distribution, the top 10 percent of blacks starts at a point above which about 40% of whites and 50% of Asians fall.

    Those blacks got out of Bodymore a long time ago, just as they got out of Camden, Chester, and Detroit. We hear all the time about the evils of "white flight." But never a peep about blacks of mean to plus-1 IQ ditching low IQ, disorderly blacks FOR THE EXACT SAME REASONS.

    We might argue that the failure of the "civil rights"/"affirmative action" experiment is precisely that it was so good at removing talented blacks from their own communities. Those who stay, or go back, face a genetic situation that no amount of politics or ideology can fix.

    Instead we get this demented pap about the Baltimaumau's problem being Too Much Law And Order.

    Considering who David A. Graham is might go a long way toward clearing this up, and here is one example:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/fashion/weddings/leslie-griffith-david-graham-weddings.html

    Perhaps he was traumatized at Duke by all the Rape Culture or something.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @artichoke

    Affirmative action has been a disaster for everyone except for that damned “talented tenth”, who generally are only talented by comparison with the other 9/10 of African Americans. It’s such an effective method of destruction I can only think it was designed for that purpose. WEB Dubois, who first spoke of the “talented tenth”, was a communist.

    Affirmative action does nothing for most blacks. It’s just the top ones who start to get it, and when they do, they get more and more. And the campus environment is destroyed. Again, it’s by design, an attack on western civilization. Anyone who dares to mutter this on campus, though, is guilty of anything from microaggressions up to hate crimes.

    And so intelligent whites, starting from late high school when their hopes of dream college admissions are smashed and they see all the smiling happy blacks in the hallways, come to hate the blacks. But 9/10 of the blacks have nothing to do with it. The poor blacks in the hood will do you a lot less harm than the ones that cause you trouble and diminished outcomes all through your education and professional career, that untouchable “talented tenth” that was put there just to hurt you.

  142. @helena
    @William Badwhite

    What I'm getting at is the hbd view, 'where does culture come from?'.

    Logic tells me that there must be a way to find a biologically-based cultural equilibrium between ethnic groups. Live and let live.

    But live, not assassinate each other in gang warfare.

    Warfare or welfare maybe, but we could at least try to make the welfare appropriate to a community's nature and potential. We broke it, we have to fix it. Slavery is the reason millions of Africans were relocated to the US.

    If nothing else, then lots of free paint-ball parks.

    (extreme) Liberalism is what is giving the African-American community the hope that all of them can have/achieve everything that White/European culture has/does.

    The difference between Hillary standing up rousing audiences with her support for BLM etc. is a stark contrast to the reaction in the UK. Liberals here are going to have to be leant on by American Liberalism in order to get past the immediate reaction (last week) of, 'Huh? Why do Black British need a BLM Movement?'.

    Replies: @Andrew Jackson, @William Badwhite, @artichoke

    Hillary isn’t getting any rousing audiences and can’t fill a high school gym. Trump, with his dog-whistles against deviations from individual responsibility and freedom, is filling stadiums. If “American Liberalism” tries leaning on the “Black British”, if they’ve got a decent instinct for self preservation (or justice or common sense) they will tell those Americans to go back across the pond.

    Besides the Black British are not former slaves and doubtless look down on those losers their ancestors captured and sold a few hundred years ago. If people from the West hadn’t bought those slaves, someone else would have — or they would have just been killed. We didn’t break it, even those of us with slave-owning ancestors.

    Lincoln tried to fix it by returning the slaves after freeing them, but then in a trick he was killed and US Grant started Reconstruction instead. So maybe Grant broke it.

    There is an equilibrium that works between races. Blacks over there, whites over here. SCOTUS stirred the pot and created an impossible situation with “separate cannot be equal” in combination with the 14th Amendment, but here we see the legal roadblocks and what to fix legally to make our country work again.

  143. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @otto the P
    The quote pointing out the stench of pot smoke in Baltimore parks lets me bang another drum, for whatever purpose. Has anyone done research on to what degree marijuana usage permeates ghetto culture? In fact, many, if not all, of the blue on black non-compliance shootings seem to involve young guys cooked out of skull on pot, or worse. Yet it's never noted at time, and if revealed in autopsy it seems as if by fiat it is not a big thing. Add marijuana usage to low IQ, bad decision making and no moral guidance, and you've got a young man who is looking to get tagged by a 9mm. Yet again, all these episodes are laid at the feet of the po-po (as the cops are called in Baltimore) and not depicted as the low-character stupidity they really represent, Kid, don't want to get popped? Don't go do crime while high. Don't do ANYTHING while high. In fact, don't get high at all. That's only for ironic whites who can giggle, listen to old Garcia vinyl, then go to the Pancake House when it wears off.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Anonymous

    Okay this coming from a Detroit ( “Brightmoor”) born and bred, and believe it or not “conservative” ) jazz performer, and “Mensa” member of forty years. : There just seems to be a total misunderstanding and unawareness of the ideal state of being which prevails within the young urban black male population that being achieved peer perception of one being “Bad”, amen, this sums up the goal, zeal, and dream of every youg black dude who winds up in the slammer : We did it all for the deranged concept of the state of “Bad”. there is no other societal explanation for the grfor this unsolvable dilema ( now) at the feet of the asshole Rappers and their glorification of this perverse concept, the concept of : BAD.

  144. @Anon
    Since Baltimore's power structure is almost completely black, and the cops are ignoring crime, I predict the remaining whites and non-welfare blacks will move out of the city to avoid the rise in crime and the tax base will utterly collapse. At this point, Baltimore will turn into Detroit.

    The only thing that might potentially bail the city out is its location on the Northeast population corridor, and the extreme high prices of real estate and cost of living in that region. A future Maryland governor may attempt a coup (ala Michigan's governor) to undermine the city's black political structure, ship out the poor blacks by refusing to give them new housing vouchers in the city, and in sum, attempt to gentrify the city. Baltimore's location and housing prices are such that there's too much potential money to be made by the elite white power structure to allow it to descend into black chaos. It's not a bad commute from Washington. It could become one big bedroom community for whites and nice whitetopia. It's located on the water and is well connected by highways. If you could get rid of all the blacks, Baltimore would be great place to live.

    Replies: @artichoke

    The neighborhood around Johns Hopkins and northeast from there is very nice. We stayed out of the rest. But even at Johns Hopkins, they don’t let the summer camp kids run around outside the same as on other campuses in small towns that also run similar camps. It was pretty locked down.

  145. @helena
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Black teachers as a cure, sure, except we can’t produce enough qualified ones....If we allow unqualified teachers into inner city schools, when will the protest against that start? "

    I know what I'm saying sounds idealistic. What I'm talking about is the first step, changing the discourse.

    What qualifications should be appropriate for African-American schools?

    Instead of Americans complaining about black behaviour, they could start demanding (e.g.) 'black teachers for black schools'. It sounds like black power but in reality it is a way of steering the prevailing attitude towards, 'black schools with black curricula'.

    Replies: @artichoke

    OK you can have the black schools with black teachers and black curricula. But then you will be going further away from the other thing you wanted — “integration into European professions”. If you take the centrality of things like English grammar and math out of schools via “black curricula” and teachers with less of such qualification (which will happen when you add other constraints i.e. being black) then the few STEM professionals who you can get out of the black population under current conditions will be even less likely to make it.

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