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From the New York Times news section:
Decades After Infamous Beating Death, Recent Attacks Haunt Asian Americans
Vincent Chin, a Chinese immigrant, was beaten to death after being pursued by two white Detroit autoworkers in 1982. On the 40th anniversary of his death, many hear frightening echoes.
By Mitch Smith
June 16, 2022, 5:00 a.m. ET
Vincent Chin is the Asian Emmett Till.
Of course, being the Asian Emmett Till is a little like being the Asian LeBron James. In case you are wondering, going back through the last ten years, the Times has mentioned “Vincent Chin” 24 times but “Emmett Till” 433 times.
What about black-on-white racist hate crimes, such as the Zebra Murders in Northern California in the 1970s in which Nation of Islam offshoot Death Angels murdered at least 15 (and perhaps as many as 60 or more) random whites? Looking for Zebra Murder/s or Zebra Killing/s, I find two mentions in the New York Times over the last decade. Why would the Newspaper of Record want to mention a local police blotter triviality like that when there are always late-breaking Emmett Till newsflashes?
MADISON HEIGHTS, Mich. — When Vincent Chin, a Chinese American man who lived near Detroit, was beaten to death with a baseball bat after being pursued by two white autoworkers in 1982, it horrified and mobilized Asian Americans across ethnic and linguistic lines.
Mr. Chin was killed at a time when the rise of Japanese carmakers and the collapse of Detroit’s auto industry had contributed to a rise in anti-Asian racism. But over time, his death began to fade from collective memory.
Stephanie Chang, the first Asian American woman elected to the Michigan Legislature, does not recall hearing about the fatal beating of Mr. Chin until she was in high school. Rebeka Islam, who leads an Asian American voting organization in the Detroit area, was not aware of the case until a few years ago. Ian Shin, a University of Michigan historian who studies Asian Americans, said he did not know of Mr. Chin’s death until college.
Now, with the 40th anniversary of the killing approaching this month, at a time of an alarming surge in anti-Asian violence, a younger group of Asian Americans has sought to bring attention to the case, combining forces with some of those who led the initial fight to seek justice for Mr. Chin. At stake, they say, is not just the legacy of one man, but painful lessons about prejudice that have been made all the more urgent by the coronavirus pandemic, the breakdown in U.S.-China relations and the spate of anti-Asian hate crimes seen across the country over the past two years.
“As bad as things were during the auto crisis, we didn’t have these mass assaults on Asians all over the country,” said James W. Shimoura, a lawyer who is a Detroit native and a Japanese American, and who volunteered on the Chin case in the 1980s. “It’s worse now. It’s absolutely worse now than it was 40 years ago.”
Asian Americans have been living in increased fear of racism and physical violence since Covid-19 was first detected in China two and a half years ago. Early in the pandemic, President Donald J. Trump and others repeatedly used terms like “kung flu” and “Chinese virus” to describe the pathogen. That discourse, Asian American leaders said, emboldened some people to act out hatefully, echoing the climate at the time of Mr. Chin’s killing.
“People see the parallels of scapegoating an ethnic group or an entire racial group for something that is clearly not actually due to that group, whether it was the struggling auto industry in the ’80s or the coronavirus now,” said Ms. Chang, a state senator from Detroit.
… A jury in a second federal trial acquitted him, finding no proof of a racial motive for the killing. Both men insisted they were not motivated by racial hate.
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Donald Trump activated his black minions using special computer chips he invented and distributed through his friends the Kardashians. The minions activated upon hearing the words Kung Flu.
Or something like that. Definitely is worse today, Asians, since you don’t get many intersectional points as a white-adjacent minority, but you look ridiculous trying to go hip-hop gangster.
Not to be confused with Vinnie The Chin, the NY mafia boss who walked around in bathrobes in order to get an insanity plea deal.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/vincent-gigante
Never forget , though, that omerta was always b.s.: Lucky Luciano himself was a rat for most of his criminal career before Dewey put him away.
It’s amazing, the Sulzberger Blog has no proof of any racial animus in that Chin attack, but somehow its about Asian Hate (which is exclusively a black thing these days).
I wonder what the actual animus was. Likely, Chin did a real bad thing and the newspaper won’t talk about it.
And to be fair to our MSM: if they took up reporting black-on-white crime,
Brett: " Imagine that... killing her own brother."
Danny: "Maybe she didn't like him."Replies: @Brutusale
Journalists don't deserve our respect, or mercy.
Nope, a drunk Chin himself escalated the confrontation from earlier by hanging around outside the strip club (does anything good for anyone, male or female, ever go on at a strip club with a cheesy name like “The Fancy Pants Lounge”?) and taunting the two men as they left the club as “chickenshit”.
The rest of the depressing police blotter business then ensued.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Vincent_ChinReplies: @Twinkie
Dis guy right heah? You gotta be kiddin me
https://allthatsinteresting.com/vincent-giganteReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @R.G. Camara
Ah, sixteen minutes, congrats. The thread refresh reveals all. I’ll still leave mine up. 🙂
https://allthatsinteresting.com/vincent-giganteReplies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @R.G. Camara
After Giuliani broke up the Fulton Fish Market, Mafia bosses went from The Godfather-style airs to some really extreme nuttiness to save their backsides.
Never forget , though, that omerta was always b.s.: Lucky Luciano himself was a rat for most of his criminal career before Dewey put him away.
So Chin’s dad was executed for murder and rape by the US Army?
“… breakdown in US-China relations….” well, we’ve found which Asians CAN’T be treasonous!
I’m not a fan of “hate crimes laws” to be mild about it, but in the Chin murder trial, justice was not served, as the two men who chased, held him down, and beat him to death with a baseball bat (days before his wedding) were given a 3-year probation and a $3,000 fine by the judge.Replies: @Redneck farmer
This is an ugly event but I don’t think it could be argued to be terribly representative of anything.
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Canuck anon at 4chan reacts: that is literally a recipe to look as fat as her.
https://i.ibb.co/MZn7bnF/Screenshot-20220617-023232-Daily-Mail-Online.jpgReplies: @SFG
I have read that blacks target Asians because Asians are often carrying large sums of cash due to trying to dodge taxes on their businesses, or else they are Asians from wealthy Chinese families carrying large amounts of cash because they’re trying to launder money in the US. Once laws against black criminals were weakened, blacks started heading right where they knew the money was.
1 Thugs cowardly Asians small.
2 ["You must take off your shoes."] Asians expect people to actually follow rules and will correct you if you deviate. This is never a good thing to be rigid about when physically around blacks.
3 Asian tunnel vision, same thing causing most of the horrorshow car crash videos out of China.
4 I read some brothers commenting on social media about a 90s hood movie and one said the first time he saw the scene where the black antihero protagonist attacks the Korean shopkeeper, he thought it was unprovoked assault, but upon rewatching years later, he thought, that smug Jap had it coming. So Asians cannot into Ubuntu.
5 Generally the ages involved will be Asian venerable ancestor (used to everyone deferring to him), versus healthy-ish military age thug enjoying pharmaceutical enhancements.
6 Asians don't want to make a scene.
7 Immigrants make easy targets for everything except deportation.
8 Lowest-level blacks are the only ones I have seen blaming actual individual Asians in person for the China virus.
9 Certain Asians don't trust authority figures.
10 Asians really have nothing in their culture or experience to prepare them for the worst blacks, who are consistently audacious and unpredictable. Consider the headline about the naked woman who stole a police car, ran over a cop, and then flipped the car, or the webm of the naked Australopithicene who stopped one European municipal bus, then thinks carefully, and decides to chase after a different bus for I'm guessing failing to stop for her. Asian thought about crime which I have seen tends toward moralistic (exclude the possibility of X by not doing any Y) or clever (the pickpocket won't find my secret extra purse). There isn't a toolkit for the lady in the bakery who begins screaming and hopping on all fours while rotating because evidently somebody forgot to light the correct color candles.
11 Handling cash to dodge taxes like you said.Replies: @aNewBanner, @Chrisnonymous
An Asian fifth-year PhD student was severely beaten by suspects of unknown race shown in the video from a Madison, WI TV station.
Were they angry with him for taking too long to defend his dissertation?
The anti-asian hate crimes hoax was cooked up by two nyt operatives, Sabrina Tavernise and Richard A. Oppel Jr., on March 23, 2020. (Or at least, that’s when they go it into print.) I debunked it in VDARE eight days later.
“Russia Hoax, Impeachment Hoax Didn’t Stop Trump, So New York Times Tries Anti Asian Hate-Crimes Hoax”
https://vdare.com/articles/russia-hoax-impeachment-hoax-didn-t-stop-trump-so-new-york-times-tries-anti-asian-hate-crimes-hoax
Via Mr. Sailer, of course.Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Nicholas Stix
“What about black-on-white racist hate crimes, such as the Zebra Murders in Northern California in the 1970s in which Nation of Islam offshoot Death Angels murdered at least 15 (and perhaps as many as 60 or more) random whites?”
“Lest We Forget: Remembering the Zebra Victims”
https://thezebraproject.blogspot.com/2006/12/lest-we-forget-remembering-zebra.html
“Updated List of Nation-of-Islam Attacks on Whites”
https://thezebraproject.blogspot.com/2020/08/updated-list-of-nation-of-islam-attacks.html
Minnesota Public Radio the other day played some kind of requiem For the “victims” of Ferguson and other “oppressive” incidents, though I can’t find it on their playlist.
Vincent needs this kind of publicity. Someone write him an opera! Call it Chin Music.
I refuse to give the Asian Emmett Till the Emmett Till Treatment. My spade, shovel, flashlight, gloves, and cadaver pouch will remain in the trunk of my car.Replies: @Muggles
I wonder what the actual animus was. Likely, Chin did a real bad thing and the newspaper won't talk about it.Replies: @HammerJack, @HammerJack, @Mr Mox, @Gordo, @Paul Jolliffe, @Chrisnonymous
Steve asks, somewhat rhetorically…
Shhh! They’re called “hush crimes” for a reason!
And to be fair to our MSM: if they took up reporting black-on-white crime,
I wonder what the actual animus was. Likely, Chin did a real bad thing and the newspaper won't talk about it.Replies: @HammerJack, @HammerJack, @Mr Mox, @Gordo, @Paul Jolliffe, @Chrisnonymous
Steve asks, somewhat rhetorically…
Shhh! They’re called “hush crimes” for a reason!
And to be fair to our MSM: if they took up reporting black-on-white crime, they wouldn’t have space or time for anything else.
PS: I wish the site glitches could get fixed, but then I remember that this site is under continual attack.
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https://twitter.com/TulsaTeresa/status/1536134159911067648
Canuck anon at 4chan reacts: that is literally a recipe to look as fat as her.Replies: @HammerJack
People spend years learning how to cook pasta!
Also, Teresa’s weight isn’t the only thing to have expanded by 50%..
I wonder what the actual animus was. Likely, Chin did a real bad thing and the newspaper won't talk about it.Replies: @HammerJack, @HammerJack, @Mr Mox, @Gordo, @Paul Jolliffe, @Chrisnonymous
I recall an exchange between Brett and Danny in that fifty years old series “The Persuaders”:
Brett: ” Imagine that… killing her own brother.”
Danny: “Maybe she didn’t like him.”
In the 1950s, Flemmi was married to an Irish-American woman named Jeanette, from whom he later became estranged. By 1980, he planned to divorce Jeanette to marry his longtime mistress, Marilyn DeSilva, but it is unknown whether he ever followed through with the legal actions. Throughout his life, Flemmi was engaged in clandestine affairs with several other women, including sisters Debra Davis and Michelle Davis, and Deborah Hussey.[4] Flemmi met Debra Davis at a jewelry store, and the couple dated for more than seven years. In 1981, Bulger is said to have killed Davis because she knew that Flemmi was an informant.[5]
Four years after killing Davis, in 1985, Flemmi and Bulger killed Deborah Hussey, who was also Flemmi's stepdaughter (born to his common-law wife, Marion A. Hussey). Deborah was first sexually molested by Flemmi in her teens—she informed her mother that Flemmi had molested her for years[6]—and had been his girlfriend since. In the days prior to her murder, Hussey was close to breaking up with Flemmi and telling her mother about their relationship, which is thought to have been the motive for her murder.
It is thought that Flemmi, Bulger, and Weeks lured her to the house at 799 East Third Street in South Boston and garrotted her. Her body was then buried in the basement. According to Kevin Weeks,
Stevie said he'd take care of the clothes and teeth. He was all business, going about the task of cleaning up and pulling teeth. Even though he had a long-term relationship with Debbie, this wasn't bothering him any more than it had bothered Jimmy. Stevie was actually enjoying it, the way he always enjoyed a good murder. Like a stockbroker going to work, he was just doing his job. Cold and relaxed, with no emotion or change in his demeanor, he was performing a night's work. Whether he then went out to meet another of his girlfriends or went home to Marion, I have no idea. Later on, when I was alone with Jimmy, I asked him what that was all about. "Who knows?" he answered. "She was bringing blacks back to the house. She was doing drugs. Stevie was probably fucking her." I never asked again, but it was just kind of distasteful killing a woman. I can see killing guys. That's the life they chose, the life they're involved with, the life we all chose. But a woman was different. It wasn't a nice thing. Years later, it came out that Stevie was in fact having sex with Debbie. And she'd been his stepdaughter since she was three years old. Who knows if she knew anything else about him? But to kill a woman because she threatened to tell that you were fucking her didn't make any sense, no more than it did to kill a girlfriend because she wanted to leave you. According to Stevie's testimony in a later trial, when it came out that he had been having sex with her daughter, Marion still continued to see him. She didn't know about the murder, but she knew about the sex. That didn't make any sense, either.[7]: 122–123
Could we perhaps appeal to Chinese and Japanese sense of pride? Showing them that this race hustling and “I’m a victim, too” crowing is an acceptable exit for losers who have nothing else to say for themselves?
Mr Chin is convenient because dredging up his case allows the NYT to pretend the recent crime wave targeting Asians are angry white racists running amok rather than random black criminals.
Asian-Americans just might be stupid enough to fall for it.
"... breakdown in US-China relations...." well, we've found which Asians CAN'T be treasonous!Replies: @Twinkie
The comparison doesn’t really hold, except the MSM trying to turn Chin into some sort of a racial prejudice victim avatar. But once Mr. Sailer gets an idea, he tends not to let go.
I’m not a fan of “hate crimes laws” to be mild about it, but in the Chin murder trial, justice was not served, as the two men who chased, held him down, and beat him to death with a baseball bat (days before his wedding) were given a 3-year probation and a \$3,000 fine by the judge.
https://vdare.com/articles/russia-hoax-impeachment-hoax-didn-t-stop-trump-so-new-york-times-tries-anti-asian-hate-crimes-hoaxReplies: @Twinkie
Yours was more narratively done rather than empirically. I tried the latter with a little effort: https://www.unz.com/isteve/fbi-murders-up-4901-black-share-of-known-murder-offenders-reaches-record-56-5/#comment-4927061
The data are drawn from here: https://crime-data-explorer.app.cloud.gov/pages/explorer/crime/shr
Via Mr. Sailer, of course.
If your analysis had included offenders whose race was unknown and you'd assumed that well over half of these were Negro, I suspect that there would have been a disproportionate increase in the number of Negro offendrs, matching if not surpassing the increase in Negro victims.Replies: @Twinkie
There’s something like eight reasons blacks target Asians and every time I consider it I find another one. The more efficient formulation is blacks and East Asians are incompatible and should not be forced to endure each other without a Giulianesque police presence.
1 Thugs cowardly Asians small.
2 [“You must take off your shoes.”] Asians expect people to actually follow rules and will correct you if you deviate. This is never a good thing to be rigid about when physically around blacks.
3 Asian tunnel vision, same thing causing most of the horrorshow car crash videos out of China.
4 I read some brothers commenting on social media about a 90s hood movie and one said the first time he saw the scene where the black antihero protagonist attacks the Korean shopkeeper, he thought it was unprovoked assault, but upon rewatching years later, he thought, that smug Jap had it coming. So Asians cannot into Ubuntu.
5 Generally the ages involved will be Asian venerable ancestor (used to everyone deferring to him), versus healthy-ish military age thug enjoying pharmaceutical enhancements.
6 Asians don’t want to make a scene.
7 Immigrants make easy targets for everything except deportation.
8 Lowest-level blacks are the only ones I have seen blaming actual individual Asians in person for the China virus.
9 Certain Asians don’t trust authority figures.
10 Asians really have nothing in their culture or experience to prepare them for the worst blacks, who are consistently audacious and unpredictable. Consider the headline about the naked woman who stole a police car, ran over a cop, and then flipped the car, or the webm of the naked Australopithicene who stopped one European municipal bus, then thinks carefully, and decides to chase after a different bus for I’m guessing failing to stop for her. Asian thought about crime which I have seen tends toward moralistic (exclude the possibility of X by not doing any Y) or clever (the pickpocket won’t find my secret extra purse). There isn’t a toolkit for the lady in the bakery who begins screaming and hopping on all fours while rotating because evidently somebody forgot to light the correct color candles.
11 Handling cash to dodge taxes like you said.
Missing from your list is simple copycat behavior, which I think could explain trends in crimes like attacks on Asians without resorting to anything we would recognize as motivation. In particular, that video a few years back of a thug walking up to an elderly Asian man and just knocking him out (I think he died) got a lot of coverage. I think videos like that can simple inspire similar behavior irrationally.Replies: @J.Ross
There is no comparison between the two…
Emmett Till was a scumbag criminal from the get-go…
It is not generally known that Emmett Till was a strapping young man of about 160 lbs.–NOT a “little boy” as some media types tried to portray him as. He was a known womanizer and attempted to take his cocky “Chicago ways” in dealing with women to the Deep South. He was sent to live with relatives in the South because his Chicago relatives could not handle him. He had a “cocky attitude” and bragged about “getting it on” with white women–not a good idea especially in the South. . . According to published accounts, Mr. Till did not just “whistle” at a white woman, but grabbed, manhandled and fondled a married white woman (which is still considered criminal assault). In Southern culture, this was, and still is, the ultimate form of disrespect. Despite Mr. Till’s relatives’ attempts to spirit him “out of town” to avoid retribution by the woman’s relatives and townspeople, his cocky attitude “got in the way.
IF Till had apologized for his behavior, he would still be alive today. In fact, one of his killers was a black man.
It is interesting to note that Emmett Till’s father was executed by the U S military for multiple rapes. Just maybe “the apple didn’t fall far from the tree” . . .
Unlike Vincent Chin, the world is a better place without the likes of Emmett Till.
He was 14 years old. You idiots need to chose the subjects your contrarianism more intelligently.Replies: @Hi There, @SunBakedSuburb, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mike Tre
I’m not a fan of “hate crimes laws” to be mild about it, but in the Chin murder trial, justice was not served, as the two men who chased, held him down, and beat him to death with a baseball bat (days before his wedding) were given a 3-year probation and a $3,000 fine by the judge.Replies: @Redneck farmer
Sounds like the judge was the problem.
This guy knows that Mr. Chin was likely mistaken for a Japanese guy. That doesn’t excuse anything about his being beat to death of course, but it shows that there is no parallel here. As commenter Anon#307 pointed out, almost all of these, wait, mass(?!) assaults are robberies of people thought to be weaker, hence less likely to resist and more likely to have lots of cash on them. It has nothing to do with politics/economics, such as Vincent
Till’serrr, Chin’s death did with the huge Japanese inroads into the auto industry from the mid-1970s on.Tying in black opportunistic muggings to the use of PIC terms to describe the latest bad bug out of the Orient is such an obvious lie that only a guy like Ron Unz could believe it. I think our problem is having way too many lawyer-Americans. Of course, I don’t suggest baseball bats … maybe just the ignoring of registered and certified mail and subpoenas …
https://i.ibb.co/MZn7bnF/Screenshot-20220617-023232-Daily-Mail-Online.jpgReplies: @SFG
Some women would rather learn to cook pasta than go to therapy…er, on a diet.
Vincent needs this kind of publicity. Someone write him an opera! Call it Chin Music.Replies: @FPD72, @SunBakedSuburb
Does Sal Maglie have any descendants who are composers? Maybe they could write the write the lyrics or musical score.
I wonder what the actual animus was. Likely, Chin did a real bad thing and the newspaper won't talk about it.Replies: @HammerJack, @HammerJack, @Mr Mox, @Gordo, @Paul Jolliffe, @Chrisnonymous
Yes probably, but the facts will continue to be suppressed.
Journalists don’t deserve our respect, or mercy.
The original news article about the incident was written by Michael Moore (yes, that one.) Looking at wikipedia it appears the beating followed a drunken altercation at a strip club. WP also states that a police officer witnessed the attack with the baseball bat. Based on that I find it hard to believe the two men weren’t given longer sentences. I get the feeling there are details about this incident that are being withheld.
I wonder if this incident provided some inspiration for the movie Gung Ho?
I thought the Barber of Seville was about Sal Maglie…
The death of Mr Chin took place after a drunken brawl at a strip club where Chin was attending his own bachelor party. Painting this crime as a racially motivated hate crime makes little sense. In fact the perps were ultimately exonerated of the federal charges. They also plea bargained their way out of the state charges. This is what happens when a bunch of knuckleheads drink too much and choose to rise to the challenge of a perceived insult.
1982? Wasn’t that around the time Democrat presidential campaigner Richard Gephardt was taking a baseball bat to a Toyota on the U.S. Capitol grounds to protest Japanese car imports hurting Detroit auto workers?
Brett: " Imagine that... killing her own brother."
Danny: "Maybe she didn't like him."Replies: @Brutusale
Real mobsters are pretty brutal. From the Wiki entry of a Whitey Bulger minion, Stephen Flemmi:
In the 1950s, Flemmi was married to an Irish-American woman named Jeanette, from whom he later became estranged. By 1980, he planned to divorce Jeanette to marry his longtime mistress, Marilyn DeSilva, but it is unknown whether he ever followed through with the legal actions. Throughout his life, Flemmi was engaged in clandestine affairs with several other women, including sisters Debra Davis and Michelle Davis, and Deborah Hussey.[4] Flemmi met Debra Davis at a jewelry store, and the couple dated for more than seven years. In 1981, Bulger is said to have killed Davis because she knew that Flemmi was an informant.[5]
Four years after killing Davis, in 1985, Flemmi and Bulger killed Deborah Hussey, who was also Flemmi’s stepdaughter (born to his common-law wife, Marion A. Hussey). Deborah was first sexually molested by Flemmi in her teens—she informed her mother that Flemmi had molested her for years[6]—and had been his girlfriend since. In the days prior to her murder, Hussey was close to breaking up with Flemmi and telling her mother about their relationship, which is thought to have been the motive for her murder.
It is thought that Flemmi, Bulger, and Weeks lured her to the house at 799 East Third Street in South Boston and garrotted her. Her body was then buried in the basement. According to Kevin Weeks,
Stevie said he’d take care of the clothes and teeth. He was all business, going about the task of cleaning up and pulling teeth. Even though he had a long-term relationship with Debbie, this wasn’t bothering him any more than it had bothered Jimmy. Stevie was actually enjoying it, the way he always enjoyed a good murder. Like a stockbroker going to work, he was just doing his job. Cold and relaxed, with no emotion or change in his demeanor, he was performing a night’s work. Whether he then went out to meet another of his girlfriends or went home to Marion, I have no idea. Later on, when I was alone with Jimmy, I asked him what that was all about. “Who knows?” he answered. “She was bringing blacks back to the house. She was doing drugs. Stevie was probably fucking her.” I never asked again, but it was just kind of distasteful killing a woman. I can see killing guys. That’s the life they chose, the life they’re involved with, the life we all chose. But a woman was different. It wasn’t a nice thing. Years later, it came out that Stevie was in fact having sex with Debbie. And she’d been his stepdaughter since she was three years old. Who knows if she knew anything else about him? But to kill a woman because she threatened to tell that you were fucking her didn’t make any sense, no more than it did to kill a girlfriend because she wanted to leave you. According to Stevie’s testimony in a later trial, when it came out that he had been having sex with her daughter, Marion still continued to see him. She didn’t know about the murder, but she knew about the sex. That didn’t make any sense, either.[7]: 122–123
You’re about five years off.
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The Chin case was another example of why judges should be allowed little-or-no discretion in sentencing. While the defendants were two men who had no criminal history (and the father of the two a working-class everyman), they nevertheless beat a man to death in a drunken rage. Aggressive manslaughter demands a long spell in prison. They received fines and probation.
The racial angle was a weak vector in the whole sequence of events. They initially had words in a dispute over the charms (or deficit of charm) of a stripper at a show the three were attending. It was for the most part honor-culture fueled by alcohol.
No, the details are known. They were given a slap on the wrist because the judge was a social worker in robes. That type does not belong on the bench.
God Bless the Irishman and Jew who gave us the 1888 Chinese Exclusion Act…..Go google Samuel Gompers testimony before the US Congress.
The wealthy father of the great Jewish Boxer Joe Choyinski…knocked out Jack Johnson cold…..egged on Dennis Kearney in his op-eds to start an anti-Chinese Race Riots in San Francisco…..Haim Choyinski called the Chinese Scab Workers “insects” in his op-eds….
The H1-B…L1-B Program=Chinese Race War against Native Born White American STEM Workers…
The Chinese never belonged in America…they have a home called China where they happily engage in Han Race Nationalism every day of the year.
Dennis Kearney and Samuel Kearney….two Socialist Labor Leaders….An Irishman and a Jew…..God Bless them!!!!
The Han Supremacist who ran against Trump and Clinton wanted no restrictions on the H1-B-L1B visa program….
Emitt Till got what he deserved…..Don’t sexually harass White Women….
Emmett Till was a scumbag criminal from the get-go...
It is not generally known that Emmett Till was a strapping young man of about 160 lbs.--NOT a "little boy" as some media types tried to portray him as. He was a known womanizer and attempted to take his cocky "Chicago ways" in dealing with women to the Deep South. He was sent to live with relatives in the South because his Chicago relatives could not handle him. He had a "cocky attitude" and bragged about "getting it on" with white women--not a good idea especially in the South. . . According to published accounts, Mr. Till did not just "whistle" at a white woman, but grabbed, manhandled and fondled a married white woman (which is still considered criminal assault). In Southern culture, this was, and still is, the ultimate form of disrespect. Despite Mr. Till's relatives' attempts to spirit him "out of town" to avoid retribution by the woman's relatives and townspeople, his cocky attitude "got in the way.
IF Till had apologized for his behavior, he would still be alive today. In fact, one of his killers was a black man.
It is interesting to note that Emmett Till's father was executed by the U S military for multiple rapes. Just maybe "the apple didn't fall far from the tree" . . .
Unlike Vincent Chin, the world is a better place without the likes of Emmett Till.Replies: @Art Deco
Emmett Till was a scumbag criminal from the get-go…
He was 14 years old. You idiots need to chose the subjects your contrarianism more intelligently.
He's also a lot lighter than George Floyd.
"You idiots need to chose [sic] the subjects your [sic] contrarianism more intelligently."
It's not a chose [sic]. I just hear them calling me. Then I find myself in my car, driving through the night.
You sound like the kid’s mother. What’s your point?
14 years old in the 1950’s isn’t the same as 14 years old in 2022.
There’s another angle to this, which is that Japan being a manufacturing/export powerhouse*, is historically from time to time subjected to boycotts due to various diplomatic incidents– that sometimes escalate, in US as well as in China,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycotts_of_Japanese_products
This escalated to a number of incidents such as this one–
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_incident_of_1927
(No, not that Nanjing incident, this was when KMT Chinese soldiers, possibly instigated by CCP, attacked and looted Japanese and Western concessions in Nanjing)
*The manufacturing powerhouse role has now been assumed also by PRC. A corollary of this is that US imports manufactured products from Japan and China largely on debt–
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_international_investment_position
This is subsidized partly by Japan and PRC buying the lion’s share of US treasuries.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/246420/major-foreign-holders-of-us-treasury-debt/
Recently both China and Japan are cutting Treasury holdings, putting upward pressure on US borrowing cost and inflation.
https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2022-06-15/chinas-holdings-of-u-s-treasuries-skid-to-12-year-low-japan-also-cuts-holdings
1 Thugs cowardly Asians small.
2 ["You must take off your shoes."] Asians expect people to actually follow rules and will correct you if you deviate. This is never a good thing to be rigid about when physically around blacks.
3 Asian tunnel vision, same thing causing most of the horrorshow car crash videos out of China.
4 I read some brothers commenting on social media about a 90s hood movie and one said the first time he saw the scene where the black antihero protagonist attacks the Korean shopkeeper, he thought it was unprovoked assault, but upon rewatching years later, he thought, that smug Jap had it coming. So Asians cannot into Ubuntu.
5 Generally the ages involved will be Asian venerable ancestor (used to everyone deferring to him), versus healthy-ish military age thug enjoying pharmaceutical enhancements.
6 Asians don't want to make a scene.
7 Immigrants make easy targets for everything except deportation.
8 Lowest-level blacks are the only ones I have seen blaming actual individual Asians in person for the China virus.
9 Certain Asians don't trust authority figures.
10 Asians really have nothing in their culture or experience to prepare them for the worst blacks, who are consistently audacious and unpredictable. Consider the headline about the naked woman who stole a police car, ran over a cop, and then flipped the car, or the webm of the naked Australopithicene who stopped one European municipal bus, then thinks carefully, and decides to chase after a different bus for I'm guessing failing to stop for her. Asian thought about crime which I have seen tends toward moralistic (exclude the possibility of X by not doing any Y) or clever (the pickpocket won't find my secret extra purse). There isn't a toolkit for the lady in the bakery who begins screaming and hopping on all fours while rotating because evidently somebody forgot to light the correct color candles.
11 Handling cash to dodge taxes like you said.Replies: @aNewBanner, @Chrisnonymous
Don’t forget proximity and density. Asians tend to live in large metropolitan areas with other Asians. As a result, they tend to live near large populations of feral black youths. The realities of city living, like waiting for a bus, mean that they are in direct contract with black hoodlums on a day-to-day basis.
The availability heuristic will destroy our civilization. Unless ignorance of multivariate causation does so first.
I read about the Vincent Chin story from Richard Hanania. He makes the same general point as Sailer; ten years ago, Sailer was the only person noticing stuff like this. Today, he’s not. I think Hanania’s tweet might be a little punchier and more entertaining.
NYT knows the Vincent Chin story and the Emmett Till story stoke outrage against whites, so they just run them repeatedly to stoke that racial outrage in the public. That’s a really ugly thing to do.
He was 14 years old. You idiots need to chose the subjects your contrarianism more intelligently.Replies: @Hi There, @SunBakedSuburb, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mike Tre
You’re right. The better argument is that NYT knows this Emmett Till story successfully stokes racial resentment against white people, and they are using it as a tool to drive that racial resentment.
Vincent needs this kind of publicity. Someone write him an opera! Call it Chin Music.Replies: @FPD72, @SunBakedSuburb
“Vincent needs this kind of publicity.”
I refuse to give the Asian Emmett Till the Emmett Till Treatment. My spade, shovel, flashlight, gloves, and cadaver pouch will remain in the trunk of my car.
BTW, no more riding with you...
Vincent Chin was minding his own business and DINDUNUFFIN. Emmett Till groped the lady’s pale breasteses. Don’t actually know, just working off stereotype.
He was 14 years old. You idiots need to chose the subjects your contrarianism more intelligently.Replies: @Hi There, @SunBakedSuburb, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mike Tre
“He was 14 years old.”
He’s also a lot lighter than George Floyd.
“You idiots need to chose [sic] the subjects your [sic] contrarianism more intelligently.”
It’s not a chose [sic]. I just hear them calling me. Then I find myself in my car, driving through the night.
One seldom mentioned aspect of White Privilege is that Whites can never become victims of a Hate Crime. (Okay, Jews maybe, but let’s not open that can o’worms.)
Just ask the FBI.
No. Most Asians are motivated by cash. If it’s in their interest to claim victimhood because it gets them cash, they’ll go for victimhood. If they can be convinced that victimhood costs them, they’ll go against it. In NYC Asians are learning that their strict kneeling to the dems was a mistake. Now they are being kept out of prestigious NYC public schools (Stuyvesant, Bronx School of Science, etc.) where they could find an excellent, free education, so that more blacks can get seats. In the end, affirmative action gives short term gains, but long-term problems. All the blacks who’ve been appointed as managers, presidents and ceos have done nothing but make the country and the economy worse, for everyone. But it’s hard for most people to put off short-term gains.
Via Mr. Sailer, of course.Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Nicholas Stix
The number of Negro offenders is likely both grossly and disproportionately under-counted due to “Snitches get stitches.” and the general unwillingness of dysfunctional Negro underclass communities to cooperate with police. Jill Leovy covers this quite thoroughly in her book “Ghettocide” (https://www.amazon.com/Ghettoside-True-Story-Murder-America-ebook/dp/B0062OCN4E).
If your analysis had included offenders whose race was unknown and you’d assumed that well over half of these were Negro, I suspect that there would have been a disproportionate increase in the number of Negro offendrs, matching if not surpassing the increase in Negro victims.
If we assumed, instead, that ALL the unknown were blacks (which is unlikely), the corresponding numbers change to 283,179 and 333,669, which is a 17.8% increase.
As you can see, this does not change the numbers substantially. Why? Precisely because the base offender numbers identified as black are already enormously large (there are more identified black violent offenders than there are white ones, despite the fact that blacks are only a small fraction- about 18% - of the white population, or put another way there are 5.5 times more whites than there are blacks, in the general population).
He was 14 years old. You idiots need to chose the subjects your contrarianism more intelligently.Replies: @Hi There, @SunBakedSuburb, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mike Tre
It’s rather common for Negro thugs to begin their violent ways well under the age of fourteen. As anarchyst noted, Till was sent South by his northern relatives precisely because he had already gained an unsavory reputation as a troublemaker in his home neighborhood.
The important argument to make is that NYT is choosing to promote these stories to promote a racial anger, outrage, and resentment towards white people. That is a wrong deed of a prominent political outlet in the present.
Interesting theory. If reparations happen, will blacks will target other blacks because they’re the ones with the cash? The post-reparations crime wave could be interesting.
He was 14 years old. You idiots need to chose the subjects your contrarianism more intelligently.Replies: @Hi There, @SunBakedSuburb, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mike Tre
“ He was 14 years old.”
You sound like the kid’s mother. What’s your point?
14 years old in the 1950’s isn’t the same as 14 years old in 2022.
I refuse to give the Asian Emmett Till the Emmett Till Treatment. My spade, shovel, flashlight, gloves, and cadaver pouch will remain in the trunk of my car.Replies: @Muggles
Thanks for the info.
BTW, no more riding with you…
Emmett was chip off the old block. His dad, Louis, was executed by the US Army during WW2 for raping and killing an Italian woman
Homicides happen every single day. There is no point to relitigating the details of this one scenario from 1955.
The important argument to make is that NYT is choosing to promote these stories to promote a racial anger, outrage, and resentment towards white people. That is a wrong deed of a prominent political outlet in the present.
I wonder what the actual animus was. Likely, Chin did a real bad thing and the newspaper won't talk about it.Replies: @HammerJack, @HammerJack, @Mr Mox, @Gordo, @Paul Jolliffe, @Chrisnonymous
Well, a quick check of Wikipedia – that noted hotbed of right wing propaganda (!!!) – reveals that Chin’s killers were not motivated solely or even mostly by racial animus.
Nope, a drunk Chin himself escalated the confrontation from earlier by hanging around outside the strip club (does anything good for anyone, male or female, ever go on at a strip club with a cheesy name like “The Fancy Pants Lounge”?) and taunting the two men as they left the club as “chickenshit”.
The rest of the depressing police blotter business then ensued.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Vincent_Chin
I am opposed to this kind of an incident being manufactured into some sort of a watershed event and turning the victim into a racial martyr (I am also opposed to using "hate crimes laws" or "civil rights violations" to engage in double-jeopardy prosecutions). All those things are politicizations and perversions of the legal system. What it should be about, instead, though is justice. And in this case, justice was not served even though some commenters here seem to engage in speculations and mental contortions to make excuses for the criminals in question.
Per your link this is what seems to have occurred:There were two off-duty police officers who witnessed the killing and arrested the bat-wielding Ebens. But, despite these credible eyewitnesses, Ebens was able to plea-bargain from second-degree murder to manslaughter and then received an extremely and unusually lenient sentence from the judge:Again, this is hardly the only time justice hasn't been served in this country, of course, but it's pretty clear that it was a miscarriage of justice. We can speculate on what the internal motives of the killers were or whether the prosecution or the judge was affected by the supportive sentiment toward laid-off auto workers or by the widespread anti-Japanese animus in the area, but they would be exactly those - speculations. The far more salient fact from this case is that two men chased down another man with a baseball and beat him to death and got off with a fine and a probation, whatever the motivations or contexts.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Johann Ricke, @Paul Jolliffe, @J.Ross
https://www.channel3000.com/authorities-investigating-alleged-attack-of-ph-d-student-near-uw-madison-campus/
An Asian fifth-year PhD student was severely beaten by suspects of unknown race shown in the video from a Madison, WI TV station.
Were they angry with him for taking too long to defend his dissertation?
Thanks, excellent point, living in a city generally means having less control over your life.
The scandal in the Till case wasn’t the homicide itself, but the blithe and callous way the jury let the perpetrators off. Had the men manned up and pled guilty, the story would have been buried long ago.
Doubt. Look at them make hay out of George Floyd, whose "murderer" pleaded guilty. Emmett Till is still a thing because of that one photograph of him as a cute and apparently well-behaved kid, not because of the facts of the case.
1 Thugs cowardly Asians small.
2 ["You must take off your shoes."] Asians expect people to actually follow rules and will correct you if you deviate. This is never a good thing to be rigid about when physically around blacks.
3 Asian tunnel vision, same thing causing most of the horrorshow car crash videos out of China.
4 I read some brothers commenting on social media about a 90s hood movie and one said the first time he saw the scene where the black antihero protagonist attacks the Korean shopkeeper, he thought it was unprovoked assault, but upon rewatching years later, he thought, that smug Jap had it coming. So Asians cannot into Ubuntu.
5 Generally the ages involved will be Asian venerable ancestor (used to everyone deferring to him), versus healthy-ish military age thug enjoying pharmaceutical enhancements.
6 Asians don't want to make a scene.
7 Immigrants make easy targets for everything except deportation.
8 Lowest-level blacks are the only ones I have seen blaming actual individual Asians in person for the China virus.
9 Certain Asians don't trust authority figures.
10 Asians really have nothing in their culture or experience to prepare them for the worst blacks, who are consistently audacious and unpredictable. Consider the headline about the naked woman who stole a police car, ran over a cop, and then flipped the car, or the webm of the naked Australopithicene who stopped one European municipal bus, then thinks carefully, and decides to chase after a different bus for I'm guessing failing to stop for her. Asian thought about crime which I have seen tends toward moralistic (exclude the possibility of X by not doing any Y) or clever (the pickpocket won't find my secret extra purse). There isn't a toolkit for the lady in the bakery who begins screaming and hopping on all fours while rotating because evidently somebody forgot to light the correct color candles.
11 Handling cash to dodge taxes like you said.Replies: @aNewBanner, @Chrisnonymous
I haven’t investigated systematically but of the various crimes purported to be black anti-Asian hate crimes, I have never heard of an actual case of an attack combined with mentioning COVID. Is that really a thing? I have been under the impression that it is just NYT fantasia.
Missing from your list is simple copycat behavior, which I think could explain trends in crimes like attacks on Asians without resorting to anything we would recognize as motivation. In particular, that video a few years back of a thug walking up to an elderly Asian man and just knocking him out (I think he died) got a lot of coverage. I think videos like that can simple inspire similar behavior irrationally.
You missed the webm of the bleg who FeBreezed an Asian bus passenger?Replies: @Chrisnonymous
I wonder what the actual animus was. Likely, Chin did a real bad thing and the newspaper won't talk about it.Replies: @HammerJack, @HammerJack, @Mr Mox, @Gordo, @Paul Jolliffe, @Chrisnonymous
A quick perusal of the Wikipedia article makes it look like the two whites did say something about the auto industry but that the fight was actually started by Chin, and the comment about the auto industry seems to fall under the category of racial comments made after a conflict gets started, which understandably happens as part of human nature (see, e.g., blue check Americans turn on random Russians in west after Ukraine invasion). It sounds like everything was probably fueled by (a) alcohol and (b) lower class behavior rather than actual racial animus.
Missing from your list is simple copycat behavior, which I think could explain trends in crimes like attacks on Asians without resorting to anything we would recognize as motivation. In particular, that video a few years back of a thug walking up to an elderly Asian man and just knocking him out (I think he died) got a lot of coverage. I think videos like that can simple inspire similar behavior irrationally.Replies: @J.Ross
I have never heard of an actual case of an attack combined with mentioning COVID
You missed the webm of the bleg who FeBreezed an Asian bus passenger?
Leave aside for a second the fact that the COVID and racial aspects are just speculation. That incident was from early March 2020. At that time, it was not unreasonable to think that a Chinese man might actually have just entered the country from China. The date also makes it impossible that Trump 's later blaming China for the pandemic influenced this guy.Replies: @J.Ross
–surely leftists will not dishonestly exploit a situation
Doubt. Look at them make hay out of George Floyd, whose “murderer” pleaded guilty. Emmett Till is still a thing because of that one photograph of him as a cute and apparently well-behaved kid, not because of the facts of the case.
Nope, a drunk Chin himself escalated the confrontation from earlier by hanging around outside the strip club (does anything good for anyone, male or female, ever go on at a strip club with a cheesy name like “The Fancy Pants Lounge”?) and taunting the two men as they left the club as “chickenshit”.
The rest of the depressing police blotter business then ensued.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Vincent_ChinReplies: @Twinkie
With all due respect, you (or for that matter, I) have no idea what the motivation was for the killing of Vincent Chin. Only the two perpetrators know.
I am opposed to this kind of an incident being manufactured into some sort of a watershed event and turning the victim into a racial martyr (I am also opposed to using “hate crimes laws” or “civil rights violations” to engage in double-jeopardy prosecutions). All those things are politicizations and perversions of the legal system. What it should be about, instead, though is justice. And in this case, justice was not served even though some commenters here seem to engage in speculations and mental contortions to make excuses for the criminals in question.
Per your link this is what seems to have occurred:
There were two off-duty police officers who witnessed the killing and arrested the bat-wielding Ebens. But, despite these credible eyewitnesses, Ebens was able to plea-bargain from second-degree murder to manslaughter and then received an extremely and unusually lenient sentence from the judge:
Again, this is hardly the only time justice hasn’t been served in this country, of course, but it’s pretty clear that it was a miscarriage of justice. We can speculate on what the internal motives of the killers were or whether the prosecution or the judge was affected by the supportive sentiment toward laid-off auto workers or by the widespread anti-Japanese animus in the area, but they would be exactly those – speculations. The far more salient fact from this case is that two men chased down another man with a baseball and beat him to death and got off with a fine and a probation, whatever the motivations or contexts.
drunken Chin: "chicken shit"
drunken Ebens/Nitz: go for bat like chimp with femur in 2001: A Space Odessey.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wstIBq2H0z8
By omitting the the first clause of my sentence, you assigned to me a certainty of motive which I did not explicitly state.
We agree that the beating death of a man by two drunks was awful. But you have assumed the judge’s sentences were wrong, and perhaps they were.
Or not. (Wikipedia summaries are not admissible substitutes for evidence at trial.)
But my original point stands -neither the State of Michigan nor the federal government of the United States was able to make a racial “hate crime” conviction stick.
There is no evidence this killing was a hate crime.Replies: @Twinkie
You missed the webm of the bleg who FeBreezed an Asian bus passenger?Replies: @Chrisnonymous
I hadn’t heard of that incident, but on searching for it and then wading through 2 pages of search results directing me to Japanese bus porn, I found a few articles and a video.
Leave aside for a second the fact that the COVID and racial aspects are just speculation. That incident was from early March 2020. At that time, it was not unreasonable to think that a Chinese man might actually have just entered the country from China. The date also makes it impossible that Trump ‘s later blaming China for the pandemic influenced this guy.
Was always a nonsensical lie, from the same people whose policies and ideas consistently killed people.
>FeBreezing Asians
Is never reasonable.Replies: @Chrisnonymous
I am opposed to this kind of an incident being manufactured into some sort of a watershed event and turning the victim into a racial martyr (I am also opposed to using "hate crimes laws" or "civil rights violations" to engage in double-jeopardy prosecutions). All those things are politicizations and perversions of the legal system. What it should be about, instead, though is justice. And in this case, justice was not served even though some commenters here seem to engage in speculations and mental contortions to make excuses for the criminals in question.
Per your link this is what seems to have occurred:There were two off-duty police officers who witnessed the killing and arrested the bat-wielding Ebens. But, despite these credible eyewitnesses, Ebens was able to plea-bargain from second-degree murder to manslaughter and then received an extremely and unusually lenient sentence from the judge:Again, this is hardly the only time justice hasn't been served in this country, of course, but it's pretty clear that it was a miscarriage of justice. We can speculate on what the internal motives of the killers were or whether the prosecution or the judge was affected by the supportive sentiment toward laid-off auto workers or by the widespread anti-Japanese animus in the area, but they would be exactly those - speculations. The far more salient fact from this case is that two men chased down another man with a baseball and beat him to death and got off with a fine and a probation, whatever the motivations or contexts.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Johann Ricke, @Paul Jolliffe, @J.Ross
I agree they clearly should have been punished more harshly. Much more. But as for motivation, I think there wasn’t much of any kind–just alcohol and chimp brain dominating.
drunken Chin: “chicken shit”
drunken Ebens/Nitz: go for bat like chimp with femur in 2001: A Space Odessey.
I am opposed to this kind of an incident being manufactured into some sort of a watershed event and turning the victim into a racial martyr (I am also opposed to using "hate crimes laws" or "civil rights violations" to engage in double-jeopardy prosecutions). All those things are politicizations and perversions of the legal system. What it should be about, instead, though is justice. And in this case, justice was not served even though some commenters here seem to engage in speculations and mental contortions to make excuses for the criminals in question.
Per your link this is what seems to have occurred:There were two off-duty police officers who witnessed the killing and arrested the bat-wielding Ebens. But, despite these credible eyewitnesses, Ebens was able to plea-bargain from second-degree murder to manslaughter and then received an extremely and unusually lenient sentence from the judge:Again, this is hardly the only time justice hasn't been served in this country, of course, but it's pretty clear that it was a miscarriage of justice. We can speculate on what the internal motives of the killers were or whether the prosecution or the judge was affected by the supportive sentiment toward laid-off auto workers or by the widespread anti-Japanese animus in the area, but they would be exactly those - speculations. The far more salient fact from this case is that two men chased down another man with a baseball and beat him to death and got off with a fine and a probation, whatever the motivations or contexts.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Johann Ricke, @Paul Jolliffe, @J.Ross
I’d argue this is likely almost the only instance not involving mob violence where racism slanted the outcome in favor of white murderers . It’s obvious that racism pervaded the resolution to the case, from plea bargains, verdicts to sentences. Now, all trials are public. If racist trial outcomes were common, why do they have to keep going back to this well? Because there aren’t more cases like this. Journalists, Democrats and political activists are selling the lie that the exception to the rule is the universal norm to advance their careers and political agendas.
Oriental shysters are getting in on the disproportionate impact scam by classing Oriental perps as POC, thereby giving beige-tinted criminals a mulligan or two.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/race-must-be-considered-in-determining-legality-of-police-stops-and-seizures-wa-state-supreme-court-rules/
We are racing towards a millet system from the Ottoman era, thanks to far left con artists moonlighting as judges.
I am opposed to this kind of an incident being manufactured into some sort of a watershed event and turning the victim into a racial martyr (I am also opposed to using "hate crimes laws" or "civil rights violations" to engage in double-jeopardy prosecutions). All those things are politicizations and perversions of the legal system. What it should be about, instead, though is justice. And in this case, justice was not served even though some commenters here seem to engage in speculations and mental contortions to make excuses for the criminals in question.
Per your link this is what seems to have occurred:There were two off-duty police officers who witnessed the killing and arrested the bat-wielding Ebens. But, despite these credible eyewitnesses, Ebens was able to plea-bargain from second-degree murder to manslaughter and then received an extremely and unusually lenient sentence from the judge:Again, this is hardly the only time justice hasn't been served in this country, of course, but it's pretty clear that it was a miscarriage of justice. We can speculate on what the internal motives of the killers were or whether the prosecution or the judge was affected by the supportive sentiment toward laid-off auto workers or by the widespread anti-Japanese animus in the area, but they would be exactly those - speculations. The far more salient fact from this case is that two men chased down another man with a baseball and beat him to death and got off with a fine and a probation, whatever the motivations or contexts.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Johann Ricke, @Paul Jolliffe, @J.Ross
As I clearly stated right at the start of my post, Wikipedia provided no evidence that (the horrific attack and killing) was motivated by racial animus.
By omitting the the first clause of my sentence, you assigned to me a certainty of motive which I did not explicitly state.
We agree that the beating death of a man by two drunks was awful. But you have assumed the judge’s sentences were wrong, and perhaps they were.
Or not. (Wikipedia summaries are not admissible substitutes for evidence at trial.)
But my original point stands -neither the State of Michigan nor the federal government of the United States was able to make a racial “hate crime” conviction stick.
There is no evidence this killing was a hate crime.
Leave aside for a second the fact that the COVID and racial aspects are just speculation. That incident was from early March 2020. At that time, it was not unreasonable to think that a Chinese man might actually have just entered the country from China. The date also makes it impossible that Trump 's later blaming China for the pandemic influenced this guy.Replies: @J.Ross
>Trump influence
Was always a nonsensical lie, from the same people whose policies and ideas consistently killed people.
>FeBreezing Asians
Is never reasonable.
I am opposed to this kind of an incident being manufactured into some sort of a watershed event and turning the victim into a racial martyr (I am also opposed to using "hate crimes laws" or "civil rights violations" to engage in double-jeopardy prosecutions). All those things are politicizations and perversions of the legal system. What it should be about, instead, though is justice. And in this case, justice was not served even though some commenters here seem to engage in speculations and mental contortions to make excuses for the criminals in question.
Per your link this is what seems to have occurred:There were two off-duty police officers who witnessed the killing and arrested the bat-wielding Ebens. But, despite these credible eyewitnesses, Ebens was able to plea-bargain from second-degree murder to manslaughter and then received an extremely and unusually lenient sentence from the judge:Again, this is hardly the only time justice hasn't been served in this country, of course, but it's pretty clear that it was a miscarriage of justice. We can speculate on what the internal motives of the killers were or whether the prosecution or the judge was affected by the supportive sentiment toward laid-off auto workers or by the widespread anti-Japanese animus in the area, but they would be exactly those - speculations. The far more salient fact from this case is that two men chased down another man with a baseball and beat him to death and got off with a fine and a probation, whatever the motivations or contexts.Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Johann Ricke, @Paul Jolliffe, @J.Ross
It seems that way. It would be that way rather than seeming that way if Chin were a purer victim. There’s only so much the law can do for an idiot who wants to start bar fights in which he is outnumbered.
Was always a nonsensical lie, from the same people whose policies and ideas consistently killed people.
>FeBreezing Asians
Is never reasonable.Replies: @Chrisnonymous
I don’t know. They sell it in Japan. I don’t think it’s for spraying on foreigners.
Via Mr. Sailer, of course.Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Nicholas Stix
Thanks for your worthy labors, T.
By omitting the the first clause of my sentence, you assigned to me a certainty of motive which I did not explicitly state.
We agree that the beating death of a man by two drunks was awful. But you have assumed the judge’s sentences were wrong, and perhaps they were.
Or not. (Wikipedia summaries are not admissible substitutes for evidence at trial.)
But my original point stands -neither the State of Michigan nor the federal government of the United States was able to make a racial “hate crime” conviction stick.
There is no evidence this killing was a hate crime.Replies: @Twinkie
I would not say that there is “no evidence.” It’s rather that the evidence is disputed:
As for this assertion:
I think my assumption is warranted given the heinous, premediated nature of the crime (the perpetrators searched for the victim for 20-30 minutes, even paid another man to help with the search, and held and bludgeoned to death a man who twice attempted to flee from them), the lenient sentencing, and the poor justification the judge offered for such leniency.
You are correct about the first sentence. But you leave out the context, which is that one of the perpetrators was convicted, it’s just the conviction was overturned on appeal:
To repeat, I don’t think anyone can know whether or not racial animus played a role in the killing, but, again, I don’t subscribe to such a legal monstrosity such as a “hate crimes law” or “civil rights violation” which are nothing but legalized double-jeopardy.
Whether the victim was “purer” or not has no bearing on the heinous nature of the crime. The victim attempted to flee from the perpetrators twice, but the perpetrators searched him for 20-30 minutes and bludgeoned him to death. This isn’t “Ooops, I got angry for a few seconds and ended up killing someone I didn’t mean to” type of a crime.
If your analysis had included offenders whose race was unknown and you'd assumed that well over half of these were Negro, I suspect that there would have been a disproportionate increase in the number of Negro offendrs, matching if not surpassing the increase in Negro victims.Replies: @Twinkie
You know, you can calculate that. Let’s:
Let’s assume that half of the “Unknown offenders” were black, which means the black numbers in 2019 and 2020, respectively, change to 259,863.5 (let’s round up to 259,864) and 303,632. This is an increase of 16.8%.
If we assumed, instead, that ALL the unknown were blacks (which is unlikely), the corresponding numbers change to 283,179 and 333,669, which is a 17.8% increase.
As you can see, this does not change the numbers substantially. Why? Precisely because the base offender numbers identified as black are already enormously large (there are more identified black violent offenders than there are white ones, despite the fact that blacks are only a small fraction- about 18% – of the white population, or put another way there are 5.5 times more whites than there are blacks, in the general population).
I don’t think it’s obvious.
No, they’re worthless thugs who should have died, but, Chin started the fight, and had he kept his mouth shut he would be alive and the thugs would be better people.
Also, I don’t know that “Chin started the fight.” Witnesses seem to indicate that Ebens initiated the contact between the two parties by addressing and insulting Chin’s party.
Maybe Chin shouldn’t have tipped the stripper so generously, which appears to have irked Ebens in the first place. Or maybe Chin should have just stayed home.
Maybe. Or maybe someone else might have died elsewhere and the two might have fried.
Also, I don’t know that “Chin started the fight.” Witnesses seem to indicate that Ebens initiated the contact between the two parties by addressing and insulting Chin’s party.
Maybe Chin shouldn’t have tipped the stripper so generously, which appears to have irked Ebens in the first place. Or maybe Chin should have just stayed home.