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From Vox:
American white people really hate being called “white people”
A Twitter poll drama, explained.
By David [email protected]@vox.com Jul 26, 2018, 3:10pm EDT… On his podcast, Vox’s Ezra Klein recently interviewed Yale psychologist Jennifer Richeson, noting she “has done pioneering work on the way perceptions of demographic threat and change affect people’s political opinions, voting behavior, and ideas about themselves.”
One of Richeson’s key insights is that reminders of coming demographic decline — the notion that America will soon become a “majority minority” country, with people of color outnumbering whites — not only cause increased hostility toward other racial groups (which might be expected) but also push white people in a conservative direction on seemingly unrelated policy questions like tax rates and oil drilling.
She also makes the point that the majority-minority narrative is bogus. By the time it is forecast to happen, who-knows-what demographic changes will have taken place, including changes in who gets coded as “white.” Since the idea is wrong and it freaks people out, she reasons, we should probably stop uncritically repeating it.
Why do social scientists and journalist say this all the time?
The idea that people of mixed race will suddenly choose in the future to self-identity as white only makes sense if you haven’t been paying attention to the topic of race for the last half century. Have they not heard of affirmative action? Have they not heard of anti-discrimination lawsuit payoffs? Have they not heard of Barack Obama? Do they not know that race is now based on self-identification? Have they not read their own publications? Do they think race in America still works like it did during during Showboat and Imitation of Life? Have they never heard of the Flight from White in which Latinos got themselves their own “ethnicity,” in which South Asians got themselves removed from white so they could get minority preferences, how Arabs talked the Obama Administration into endorsing removing them from the white category.
The only evidence I can think of for this popular idea among the Vox set (including Matthew Yglesias, who decided to register himself as Hispanic on the 2010 Census despite being 3/4th Ashkenazi and 1/4th Cuban-Spaniard film critic for the communist Daily Worker) is
– If you are part Asian and part white, you might be better off putting yourself down as white on your college application.
– There is a specious observation that the % of Latinos who self-identify as white on the race question seems to go up and down from one Census to another. But that’s basically irrelevant because in today’s America you get the affirmative action money and prizes for identifying as Latino on the Hispanic ethnicity question and what you choose on the race question is irrelevant. That’s why there was added an ethnicity question.
Hey whitey, surrender your countries or be called racist — you don’t want to be called racist, do you?
Wenn Deutschland die millionenfache Armutszuwanderung aus dem afrikanisch-arabischen Raum nicht umkehrt, begeht unser Land gesellschaftlichen und wirtschaftlichen Selbstmord.
If Germany does not stop mass immigration of impoverished Africans and muslims, it will be committing national and economic suicide.
Years ago, Sarrazin said the same thing in a different way.
But better to do the honorable thing than risk being called a racist.Replies: @eah
"Yes, and so are you. You just object to the fact that I am white and you're not."Replies: @ben tillman
I have two close friends who are married, Asian and white, and their son applied to the Ivies two years ago as white because they felt it was an advantage. Based on the private high school he attended and his grades he should have been able to get in anywhere but they are super competitive and any little edge they had, they use. He ended up at UC.
Has Yglesias ever said whether he applied to Harvard as a Hispanic?
What a bizarre thing to write. “Forecasts are bogus. By the time a forecast’s target date arrives, who know what will really have happened.”
This is a variant of who/whom, where facts or reasoning could be beneficial to Whites, or harm POC, people are at liberty to disregard them and make up
nonsense.
Why would demographic forecasts be any different...
It’s too late.
The genie is out of the bottle. The toothpaste is out of the tube.
White identity is here to stay.
It’s not going back. But they are.
Correct.It’s not going back. But they are.
Very unlikely. Apart from a portion of those currently in the US illegally, I don't think anyone's leaving. We may transform our laws, maps and constitutions to work around it but Whites in North America are stuck with the non-Whites we've been blessed with. Europe's case is different though.
White identity might very well be an extremely good thing. It might even be essential for survival. But I don't see the evidence that it actually exists.Replies: @Dtbb, @Anonymous
But that’s basically irrelevant because in today’s America you get the affirmative action money and prizes for identifying as Latino on the Hispanic ethnicity question and what you choose on the race question is irrelevant.
One thing we must do is
1. Identity Latin America as a history of imperialism and conquest. Latinos should NOT be seen as ‘victims’. They are of Conquistador blood.
2. We must NOT call non-white people from Latin America as Latino or Hispanic. It’d be like calling American Indians, Hawaiian natives, and Eskimos ‘Anglo’. Only white or mostly white people of Latin America should be called Latino or Hispanic AND this category should be considered a white ethnicity, NOT a race category. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubber Boy Rubio are white as Latinos. So is Guillermo Del Toro. As for non-white or mostly non-white people of Latin America, call them something else. Mesos or whatever. But calling them ‘Hispanic’ or ‘Latino’ must end. Now, someone who is 50/50 can be called Mestizo or something.
So, Latino would be white(or mostly white), Mestizo would be very mixed, and Mesos would be mostly native. This way, even if someone like Yglesias identifies as ‘Latino’ or ‘Hispanic’, he wouldn’t escape from his whiteness. Also, as white Latino a**holes always rag on White Yanqui guilt — Guillermo Del Toro bitching about segregation in the US — , it is time for American whites to return the favor and detail all the bad shit done by Conquistadors. No more Latino BS posing as ‘people of color’.
Mulattos were black/white mixes, mestizos were red-yellow-brown/white, and zambos black/RWB.
Triracial persons were pardos.
There were large numbers of terms for fine gradations of these basic combinations, too.
It's interesting to note that it was the Spanish and not the British or French or Germans that developed these terms.Replies: @Logan
*in before autistic screeching about how whites are completely disadvantaged in every way
Why not use the Spanish term, Indio.
OT
Trump trusted his Jewish lawyer at his own peril. Mueller is trying to make an anti-Semitic point?
The whole case further eroded my trust in the US justice system, with the attorney coming under investigation and attorney-client privilege questioned.
I guess the commentariat here knows more than I do of the case or whether it poses any danger to Trump.
Solid shots all of them but there's seemingly been very little actual damage taken. And it won't necessarily stay that way of course but for now at least it's kind of an odd good news/bad news thing. Hopefully soon we can switch gears to the confirmation fight over Kavanaugh and that will move the polls a couple of points in our favor.Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Almost Missouri, @Svigor, @ben tillman
https://twitter.com/_drew_mccoy_/status/1022667947221823488?s=21
Now, because the investigation is a thoroughly partisan political operation, the attorney-client material is just going to be leaked by the prosecutors or Cohen himself to the media in order to maximize its damage and present Trump with a series of dilemmas - assert the privilege in the leaked material and take the political damage or waive the privilege and accept the legal damage. The fact that Clinton operator Davis is "representing" Cohen (in what capacity is not clear) reveals that this is a Clinton operation from the outset.
I’m not as convinced about this. For medium or darker Black Americans it’s probably irrelevant, but for successfully assimilated Latins, I think there’s a substantial tendency over time to think of yourself as white.
That is, they don’t necessarily feel connected to migrant labor illegally crossing the southern border, and they don’t think jokes (or the reality of) nine kids in the family, landscaping jobs, or cars without insurance apply to them. If they actually put down white on Census form or job application or what have you, it’s probably because they don’t aspire to the mentality of disparate impact lawsuit payoffs.
The bigger picture is that right now, the biggest unspoken divide (and maybe the biggest divide regardless) is between the normies and the cranks.
We’ve internalized Left vs Right, and in the Trump era we’re getting a handle on globalist vs nationalist, etc. The normies vs the cranks thing has largely flown under radar by comparison. For us, even though most of us are cranks, I think we’ve got to appreciate better than we do how much our cultural interest is tied to the advancement of the normies.
But I also think you are right about assimilated Latinos identifying as white. I recently had a chat with a Mexican who proudly claims Spanish ancestry, and he said:
"Okay, I'm white, and I'm mostly into things of white interest, like rock music, but brown skinned Mexicans for the most part prefer their Mexican country, Tejano and other abysmal types of music, raggaeton, cumbia, ballenato... ugh!
I've tried to keep an open mind about that type of music but there's nothing for me to relate to there."
He also got annoyed when he read an article claiming that synthwave is "fascist." He thought the whole article was absurd, perhaps hinting at your divide between normies and cranks, which I think is a real thing.Replies: @Anonymous, @Prester John
Trump trusted his Jewish lawyer at his own peril. Mueller is trying to make an anti-Semitic point?
The whole case further eroded my trust in the US justice system, with the attorney coming under investigation and attorney-client privilege questioned.
I guess the commentariat here knows more than I do of the case or whether it poses any danger to Trump.Replies: @Boethiuss, @Dave Pinsen, @Tyrion 2, @Alec Leamas, @pyrrhus
It does I think, but for now it’s more interesting as a dog that’s not barking. Over the past month or so, the Trumpist ideological faction has taken 3 solid hits. First there was the family separation thing, then there was the meeting with Putin in Helsinki, finally this Cohen tape and the likelihood that he’s going to flip against Trump.
Solid shots all of them but there’s seemingly been very little actual damage taken. And it won’t necessarily stay that way of course but for now at least it’s kind of an odd good news/bad news thing. Hopefully soon we can switch gears to the confirmation fight over Kavanaugh and that will move the polls a couple of points in our favor.
The "3 solid hits" are only that in the media's own imagination. The family separation thing is fake news. It's been happening long before Trump, and rightfully, since children should not be incarcerated with adults who are not their parents. And if "separation" serves as a disincentive to border-jump, Americans support it. This has helped Trump (until he caved and started acquiescing to the sensibilities of the media whiners) and impugned the media.
The oligarch media tries hard to spin Putin in Helsinki as "bad", but since no one outside the beltway sees why we should pick a fight with a nuclear power because Hillary lost her Precious, no one cares.
And the Cohen thing is just so much inside baseball of the arcane rules governing the administration of law, which normal people hate.
So really all that the media have done is prove that they are obsessives partisans about juridical tyranny and bureaucratic condescension, which Americans rightly despise.
And this leaves aside the oligarch media's obvious hypocrisy and double standards. Obama admin takes illegal child border jumpers? What humanity! Obama offers to cooperate "flexibly" with the Russian government once he is re-elected? That's statesmanship! Obama has legal problems? That's not news fit to print!Replies: @Boethiuss, @AndrewR, @Crawfurdmuir, @Anonymous
https://twitter.com/jaricheson/status/1018531988310028288Replies: @eah, @James Speaks, @Svigor, @SunBakedSuburb
Selbstmord durch Zuwanderung
Wenn Deutschland die millionenfache Armutszuwanderung aus dem afrikanisch-arabischen Raum nicht umkehrt, begeht unser Land gesellschaftlichen und wirtschaftlichen Selbstmord.
If Germany does not stop mass immigration of impoverished Africans and muslims, it will be committing national and economic suicide.
Years ago, Sarrazin said the same thing in a different way.
But better to do the honorable thing than risk being called a racist.
http://www.pi-news.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/mallorca-696x394.jpg
Since the 1950’s, Majorca has become a well-known tourist destination, and the tourism business has become the main source of revenue for the island. In 2001, the island received millions of tourists and day by day, the boom in the tourism industry provided significant growth in the economy of Majorca. With more than half of the population working in the tourist sector, a vast amount, approximately 80%, is contributed to Majorca’s GDP.
It's a kind of weird sickness.
With this woman Whites cannot win or be subservient enough.
The full stop and the near saintly police officers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YFjVN5BB_AReplies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Hibernian
That is, they don't necessarily feel connected to migrant labor illegally crossing the southern border, and they don't think jokes (or the reality of) nine kids in the family, landscaping jobs, or cars without insurance apply to them. If they actually put down white on Census form or job application or what have you, it's probably because they don't aspire to the mentality of disparate impact lawsuit payoffs.
The bigger picture is that right now, the biggest unspoken divide (and maybe the biggest divide regardless) is between the normies and the cranks.
We've internalized Left vs Right, and in the Trump era we're getting a handle on globalist vs nationalist, etc. The normies vs the cranks thing has largely flown under radar by comparison. For us, even though most of us are cranks, I think we've got to appreciate better than we do how much our cultural interest is tied to the advancement of the normies.Replies: @Anonymous, @Johnny Smoggins, @IHTG, @Anonymous
I think Steve has a very strong point about how smart it is to rummage through your ancestral attic to see if you can’t roust out some hapless non-white goober to trot forward as your racial identity on official forms.
But I also think you are right about assimilated Latinos identifying as white. I recently had a chat with a Mexican who proudly claims Spanish ancestry, and he said:
“Okay, I’m white, and I’m mostly into things of white interest, like rock music, but brown skinned Mexicans for the most part prefer their Mexican country, Tejano and other abysmal types of music, raggaeton, cumbia, ballenato… ugh!
I’ve tried to keep an open mind about that type of music but there’s nothing for me to relate to there.”
He also got annoyed when he read an article claiming that synthwave is “fascist.” He thought the whole article was absurd, perhaps hinting at your divide between normies and cranks, which I think is a real thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkkvC3D_srM
Richeson is right that the definition of “white” is going to change overtime. Elite whites don’t have to worry at all about being racially displaced. We are forming a new elite caste that will include people today identified as “white”, “Asian”, “Indian”, “Latino”, “Jewish”, whatever, but our semi-meritocracy keeps skimming high IQ people out of those groups who then marry other high IQ people. All these people increasingly identify with their caste not their racial identity. One’s “roots”, whether Shtetl Jew, Chinese merchant or Kenyan prince, (or “American Indian”) are fun to talk about at cocktail parties, and maybe to score the occasional political point, but no longer anyone’s core identity. We are in the process of forming a new racial group, which was the fairly predictable outcome of a meritocracy lite that promotes assortative mating by IQ rather than ethnic heritage.
Increasingly “white” is becoming a synonym for lower-IQ people of European descent, i.e. the “left behind”.
I don’t see Trump changing that long term either. His daughter and son-in-law are perfect examples of the new multi-ethnic overcaste – WASP/Czech/Jew teaching their kids Mandarin.
The comparisons to Latin America don’t quite fit here, because we have had a lot more recent immigration from benighted places. Assume the status quo continues, and in a couple decades America is 60% nonwhite. That would make the Democratic Party what, 80%-90% nonwhite? There’s no way that wealthy white minority is going to buy off the rest of the party with just free stuff; the Muslims and others are going to want their social values incorporated into policies, and that’s when the white Dems will balk. Something will have to give. The white Dems will want that something to be democracy, to be replaced by a Bloombergist autocracy. That’s the only way to maintain liberal values with an illiberal populace. GOPs will balk at that. Then either the country has to split or a new, new people has to be elected.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Almost Missouri, @Bill, @Lagertha
Andrew Hacker 1957:Trumpy ain't no WASP, dammit!
Trumpy is a half Kraut, half Scottish Scandinavian New Yorker. Trumpy's blood has only been in the United States for a few generations.
Many old stockers who proudly voted for Trump have blood from ancestors who settled and pioneered the American colonies, but they still don't think of themselves as WASPs. They think of themselves as English or Dutch or Swedish or a combination of that blood.
For instance, in New Hampshire, maybe 5 percent of the population would be considered WASPs. The rest are just wonderful Americans of proud English ancestry.
Unfortunately, I must report that many of the old stocker English in the Portland to Portland English colonial settler continuum did not support Trump.
There is a difference in the United States between WASPs and people of English ancestry.Replies: @syonredux
Trump trusted his Jewish lawyer at his own peril. Mueller is trying to make an anti-Semitic point?
The whole case further eroded my trust in the US justice system, with the attorney coming under investigation and attorney-client privilege questioned.
I guess the commentariat here knows more than I do of the case or whether it poses any danger to Trump.Replies: @Boethiuss, @Dave Pinsen, @Tyrion 2, @Alec Leamas, @pyrrhus
The Trump haters are getting excited, but Cohen has no credibility, because he’s claimed the opposite in the past. Between this and Mueller investigating Trump’s tweets, it’s farcical.
Trump trusted his Jewish lawyer at his own peril. Mueller is trying to make an anti-Semitic point?
The whole case further eroded my trust in the US justice system, with the attorney coming under investigation and attorney-client privilege questioned.
I guess the commentariat here knows more than I do of the case or whether it poses any danger to Trump.Replies: @Boethiuss, @Dave Pinsen, @Tyrion 2, @Alec Leamas, @pyrrhus
Maybe I’ve missed it but other than some innocuous recordings, what has Cohen done wrong?
It has been years now that Democratic aligned activists have been shrieking on variations of all of this stuff every few days…so embarrassing for them. Are they really going to still be screeching about this stuff in two years?
The key point is that there’s a lot more at stake in America than whether or not Trump had affairs or whether he tried to legally buy the stories from those who plausibly might allege they had an affair with him.
The number bandied about for Stormy Daniels is $150,000 for what her story was worth. That is what buys you a name badge at a Koch network event, supposedly. Yawn…
Also to get Cohen to testify against Trump would require them to get him to testify that he and Trump conspired together to break the law. I see no evidence that this happened nor that Cohen has any intention nor incentive to do so. Just more hysteria.
Perhaps the problem is that most people who consume a lot of political media can’t even remember last week anymore?
I see the New York Times’ lead story has cycled back round to the supposed obstruction case (for the umpteenth time.) Here’s the same story from over a year ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/us/politics/obstruction-of-justice-trump-comey.html.
Ridiculous. “News”
Solid shots all of them but there's seemingly been very little actual damage taken. And it won't necessarily stay that way of course but for now at least it's kind of an odd good news/bad news thing. Hopefully soon we can switch gears to the confirmation fight over Kavanaugh and that will move the polls a couple of points in our favor.Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Almost Missouri, @Svigor, @ben tillman
Only the family separation bit was a solid hit. The rest is just chaff. People do want immigration restriction but do they want to know what successful restriction takes?
Except that ICE can. So now they are simply detained as a family group. Trump graciously ends the policy and takes a bow.
The real icing is that the left's more aggressive segments went all in on abolish ICE, which did nothing to shift opinion in their favor and in fact made them appear like loons. I really wish they'd push abolish ICE harder as immigration is a winner for Republicans, especially with the left taking what was a straw man argument (Nooooo one want open borders!) and making it real. The less reasonable the left is, the better the results for noticers, deplorables, and the right in general.
Sorry to go OT early in the thread, but this guy Bill Browder who Putin was talking about hits a lot of interesting topics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Browder
Grandfather- Earl Browder became the leader of the Communist Party USA, and ran for U.S. president in 1936 and 1940. Lived in the Soviet Union for a few years in the 30’s.
Dad and uncles all led top university math departments in the US. Dad got his PhD at 20 from Princeton.
Brother entered U. Chicago at 15 and became a particle physicist.
Bill Browder became essentially a Russian oligarch, controlling billions of pillaged Russian national wealth and siphoning hundreds of millions off out of the country for himself.
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/is-bill-browder-the-most-dangerous-man-in-the-world/
It would be a real shame if this guy’s greed and deviousness were one of the driving factors behind the cold war 2.0, and the increased possibility of WWIII, but it sure looks like a strong possibility.
If people can spend years and zillions of dollars to investigate whether Trump pissed in a Russian bed, you would think that someone would at least entertain the idea that this guy might be at least a little guilty of screwing the Russian people out of billions, rather than treating him as a political darling.
Well this brings up the question of whether affirmative action will survive the coming wave of populist/nationalist politics. No doubt we will still live in a liberal society 30 years into future (I can’t see a radical shift to traditionalism) but it may be a very different liberal society from the neoliberal/progressive society we currently live in. When the progressive age started in the early 1930s, how many people thought it would end up focusing on identity politics among minorities and urban liberals? Most people on the right were worried that it would end in Soviet-style economic communism, which turned out to be the sort of society where uppity urban liberals end up being forced to work in tractor factories.
If white women continue to interbreed with Hispanics, Blacks and non-whites at the current rate there will be a huge number of “hispanics” who are genetically over 90% white. How long can colleges and employers discriminate in favor of people like the children of Ted Cruz ? Ivy League colleges may be 12% Hispanic today but just 1% are mestizo Mexicans.
I do not think a majority of blacks will ever vote for Republicans, but Trump polled better among them in 2016 than previous Republican candidates. Blacks are stronger in their antipathy to immigration than any other segment of the electorate:http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-seminara-trump-immigration-reform-african-americans-20180316-story.html
The late Jack Kemp for years promoted the pipe-dream that blacks could be talked into voting for his type of Republicanism, based on libertarianism and supply-side economics, if only the party shed its cultivation of social conservatives and white Southerners. The current Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, is one of Kemp's disciples, and Kemp's influence is visible in Ryan's hostility to Trump. The Kemp/Ryan approach has so far been conspicuous in its lack of success in attracting black voters.
It's hard to say what will happen in coming elections, but wouldn't it be a kick in the head if Trumpian "nativism" and "xenophobia" turned out to attract more black votes than Kemp's and Ryan's cuckery?Replies: @Travis
We don't really care if you murder, rape and torture. But everyone gets exercised if someone says the 'N' word. Yesterday there was a local news report that a black woman had kidnaped and burned alive a white baby. Not much press. Nothing nationally.
We are well launched towards real racial/ethnic/religious conflict. It won't come soon but if we don't begin soon to reverse the path we are on, a very messy civil conflict is inevitable. I only hope it doesn't escalate to some sort of nuclear exchange.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Lowe, @Anonymous, @Johann Ricke
Increasingly "white" is becoming a synonym for lower-IQ people of European descent, i.e. the "left behind".
I don't see Trump changing that long term either. His daughter and son-in-law are perfect examples of the new multi-ethnic overcaste - WASP/Czech/Jew teaching their kids Mandarin.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @Jus' Sayin'...
I think this misses a bigger point: it’s hard to see how American democracy survives in anything like its current form if America becomes majority nonwhite (I say “if” because the country’s current demographic mix has been shaped by political decisions and its future demographics can be shaped by different ones: it’s not inevitable.).
The comparisons to Latin America don’t quite fit here, because we have had a lot more recent immigration from benighted places. Assume the status quo continues, and in a couple decades America is 60% nonwhite. That would make the Democratic Party what, 80%-90% nonwhite? There’s no way that wealthy white minority is going to buy off the rest of the party with just free stuff; the Muslims and others are going to want their social values incorporated into policies, and that’s when the white Dems will balk. Something will have to give. The white Dems will want that something to be democracy, to be replaced by a Bloombergist autocracy. That’s the only way to maintain liberal values with an illiberal populace. GOPs will balk at that. Then either the country has to split or a new, new people has to be elected.
I don't see "Muslims" as being much of a threat to the US. The largest minority by far will be Mexican/Central Americans. America doesn't get that many Muslim immigrants, they tend to assimilate more than Muslims in Europe and if Trump has had one unqualified success it has been letting Muslims know they aren't welcome in the USA.
The Republicans are also quite good at keeping low IQ non-white voters sidelined so a Bloombergist autocracy comes quite naturally to them, at least to the GOP elites.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @MBlanc46
Depending on the district, the Dems are already majority non-white. And those non-whites already want their values incorporated into policies. But except for anti-Israel BDS-type stuff, the white Dems aren't balking much. (In other words, they're balking at the anti-Jewish stuff, but the rest they are only too happy to give away.)They already hate democracy. Look at how they slander actual democracy as "populism" or "nativism". Bloombergist autocracy (good term, BTW) is their default platform now.
So far, the GOP isn't balking much either. More's the pity. The reaction will be stronger and less politically mediated.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
One thing we must do is
1. Identity Latin America as a history of imperialism and conquest. Latinos should NOT be seen as 'victims'. They are of Conquistador blood.
2. We must NOT call non-white people from Latin America as Latino or Hispanic. It'd be like calling American Indians, Hawaiian natives, and Eskimos 'Anglo'. Only white or mostly white people of Latin America should be called Latino or Hispanic AND this category should be considered a white ethnicity, NOT a race category. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubber Boy Rubio are white as Latinos. So is Guillermo Del Toro. As for non-white or mostly non-white people of Latin America, call them something else. Mesos or whatever. But calling them 'Hispanic' or 'Latino' must end. Now, someone who is 50/50 can be called Mestizo or something.
So, Latino would be white(or mostly white), Mestizo would be very mixed, and Mesos would be mostly native. This way, even if someone like Yglesias identifies as 'Latino' or 'Hispanic', he wouldn't escape from his whiteness. Also, as white Latino a**holes always rag on White Yanqui guilt -- Guillermo Del Toro bitching about segregation in the US -- , it is time for American whites to return the favor and detail all the bad shit done by Conquistadors. No more Latino BS posing as 'people of color'.Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin, @Dtbb
The Spanish had the naming thing down. There were three basic groups, white, black and red-yellow-brown.
Mulattos were black/white mixes, mestizos were red-yellow-brown/white, and zambos black/RWB.
Triracial persons were pardos.
There were large numbers of terms for fine gradations of these basic combinations, too.
It’s interesting to note that it was the Spanish and not the British or French or Germans that developed these terms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta#Racial_terminology
Well that’s complete nonsense. Asians are vastly over-represented at our top colleges, and whites are vastly under-represented. Both in relation to their proportions of the general population, and in relation to virtually every reasonable conception of merit. The top colleges aren’t trying to rectify this, they’re trying to intensify it. As any reader of this very website ought to know well, the only smart move for such an applicant would be to use a hebrew surname.
But I also think you are right about assimilated Latinos identifying as white. I recently had a chat with a Mexican who proudly claims Spanish ancestry, and he said:
"Okay, I'm white, and I'm mostly into things of white interest, like rock music, but brown skinned Mexicans for the most part prefer their Mexican country, Tejano and other abysmal types of music, raggaeton, cumbia, ballenato... ugh!
I've tried to keep an open mind about that type of music but there's nothing for me to relate to there."
He also got annoyed when he read an article claiming that synthwave is "fascist." He thought the whole article was absurd, perhaps hinting at your divide between normies and cranks, which I think is a real thing.Replies: @Anonymous, @Prester John
Well, Pepe likes it …
Increasingly "white" is becoming a synonym for lower-IQ people of European descent, i.e. the "left behind".
I don't see Trump changing that long term either. His daughter and son-in-law are perfect examples of the new multi-ethnic overcaste - WASP/Czech/Jew teaching their kids Mandarin.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @Jus' Sayin'...
The new race comprising the ruling will be called ‘diverse’ or ‘vibrant’.
What happened is, once the Frankfurt School Marxism hit in the 60s, the elites were able to buy out the left, transforming it into a purely culture-war construct that would protect–rather than fight–capitalism.
Like everything else the "deep state" does, the cure was grossly over administered and ended up worse than the disease. Oddly enough, we now patriotic conservatives in the West and ex-Marxist-Leninists in the former East Bloc, forming loose coalitions to clean up the messes made under Washington's guidance..
Identity for me.The purpose of the Democratic Party is to promote the first and secure the interests of the Diaspora. The purpose of the Republican Party is to secure the second, Israel as a Jewish homeland.
OT again – long, long Soros piece in NYT. His son’s comments are intriguing.
Interested as a Brit to see that Mark Malloch-Brown, Blairite ‘liberal interventionist’ and now major anti-Brexit figure, was “a former United Nations deputy secretary general and a longtime Soros protégé” – could those two things be connected?
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/magazine/george-soros-democrat-open-society.html
And won’t the emphasis on family integrity backfire at some point–since the Dems have become the party of single women (“Life of Julia”) and homosexuals? I’ve already seen the “abortion is the ultimate family separation” memes.
https://twitter.com/jaricheson/status/1018531988310028288Replies: @eah, @James Speaks, @Svigor, @SunBakedSuburb
It’s about time to challenge the ‘racist’ label with,
“Yes, and so are you. You just object to the fact that I am white and you’re not.”
https://twitter.com/jaricheson/status/797070911002312704Replies: @CCZ, @eah
And Imani Perry is the Princeton University African-American Studies professor who cried racism when stopped by a pair of Princeton Police Officers for driving 67 mph in a 45 mph zone.
Once again, black entitlement prevailed.
The full stop and the near saintly police officers:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-5991913/Labour-MP-court-charged-perverting-course-justice.htmlTo be fair, she's straight-batting - which is what Imani Perry would do if she actually had to get people to vote for her.
https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanyaMP/status/1022777012287619073
OT: white nationalist and novelist Harold Covington has died.
Think about how much baldfaced lying or lying to oneself, is needed to say this as a White man under 60 who works in the media and went through school after 1980. The IT guy at a soybean depot in Oklahoma would have experienced the preference for non-male, non-White hiring in his field but we're supposed to believe a guy who writes for Vox has never heard such talk in all his born days? Give me a break.
Kind of on topic: Almost any sentence of this new New Yorker book review is quotable for its absurdity. It boggles the mind that any White could read this and not be irrevocably red-pilled. If you object, your weakness just proves her point.
https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/a-sociologist-examines-the-white-fragility-that-prevents-white-americans-from-confronting-racism
Logical contradiction does not seem to phase them.
The full stop and the near saintly police officers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YFjVN5BB_AReplies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Hibernian
Related, but in UK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-5991913/Labour-MP-court-charged-perverting-course-justice.html
To be fair, she’s straight-batting – which is what Imani Perry would do if she actually had to get people to vote for her.
That is, they don't necessarily feel connected to migrant labor illegally crossing the southern border, and they don't think jokes (or the reality of) nine kids in the family, landscaping jobs, or cars without insurance apply to them. If they actually put down white on Census form or job application or what have you, it's probably because they don't aspire to the mentality of disparate impact lawsuit payoffs.
The bigger picture is that right now, the biggest unspoken divide (and maybe the biggest divide regardless) is between the normies and the cranks.
We've internalized Left vs Right, and in the Trump era we're getting a handle on globalist vs nationalist, etc. The normies vs the cranks thing has largely flown under radar by comparison. For us, even though most of us are cranks, I think we've got to appreciate better than we do how much our cultural interest is tied to the advancement of the normies.Replies: @Anonymous, @Johnny Smoggins, @IHTG, @Anonymous
I actually have more contempt for normies than I do for the left. True believers on the left are a very small number of people and they’d be powerless without the 80% of the population who are only concerned with reality TV, Facebook and sports, aka normies, giving their tacit approval by doing nothing.
The genie is out of the bottle. The toothpaste is out of the tube.
White identity is here to stay.
It's not going back. But they are.Replies: @Cagey Beast, @The Anti-Gnostic, @dfordoom
White identity is here to stay.
Correct.
It’s not going back. But they are.
Very unlikely. Apart from a portion of those currently in the US illegally, I don’t think anyone’s leaving. We may transform our laws, maps and constitutions to work around it but Whites in North America are stuck with the non-Whites we’ve been blessed with. Europe’s case is different though.
That is, they don't necessarily feel connected to migrant labor illegally crossing the southern border, and they don't think jokes (or the reality of) nine kids in the family, landscaping jobs, or cars without insurance apply to them. If they actually put down white on Census form or job application or what have you, it's probably because they don't aspire to the mentality of disparate impact lawsuit payoffs.
The bigger picture is that right now, the biggest unspoken divide (and maybe the biggest divide regardless) is between the normies and the cranks.
We've internalized Left vs Right, and in the Trump era we're getting a handle on globalist vs nationalist, etc. The normies vs the cranks thing has largely flown under radar by comparison. For us, even though most of us are cranks, I think we've got to appreciate better than we do how much our cultural interest is tied to the advancement of the normies.Replies: @Anonymous, @Johnny Smoggins, @IHTG, @Anonymous
Chip-on-the-shoulder vs non-chip-on-the-shoulder Americans?
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/26/17613844/racial-diversity-poll-twitter-white-people
Think about how much baldfaced lying or lying to oneself, is needed to say this as a White man under 60 who works in the media and went through school after 1980. The IT guy at a soybean depot in Oklahoma would have experienced the preference for non-male, non-White hiring in his field but we’re supposed to believe a guy who writes for Vox has never heard such talk in all his born days? Give me a break.
Take away the advantages for identifying as nonWhite
Stop constantly promoting “White = bad” in all forms of media
They’ll be self-identifying as White in about a week.
And we should let them do it (that’s right 1488ers)
All non-Whites are jealous of White achievements.
All heil Geraint Thomas:
I took the same page Elizabeth Warren followed years ago, and have been identifying as African American for some time. Sure, I look lily white, but prove, with my somewhat curly locks, that I don’t have 1/16th in me.
White people really do rock. Redheads are hot. Everyone wants to be us. (Especially everyone wants to have brush of Celt).
Up till now, all the reporting on this phenomenon has been celebratory. Now that that has backfired politically, the phenomenon is now “bogus.”
Stay woke.
They relied upon the strength of the white taboo - that it's gauche to talk about whites as having interests, even if those interests are merely defensive in nature. It worked for a surprisingly long period of time. It worked less well after a decade of malaise when white working men have seen their life prospects and status in decline. Trump's taboo-puncturing campaign did a lot to give some sort of form to what a lot of white people were feeling.
The other thing that has become apparent is that the ethos of "minority" has changed perceptively from an argument about relieving "oppression" to reversing the purported "oppression;" it's about revenge now. Black identity especially has become a matter of retribution for FO HUNNET YEES.Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Citizen of a Silly Country
Steve is correct , less and less people will identify was white over the coming decades because of affirmative action and they want their kids to accumulate Pokémon points.
My wife is from Chile and is an example of this. When I met her she did not identify as hispanic. We hired her at my firm and she identified as White, refused to check the hispanic box. She despised the term hispanic and was confused by the term (they use no such term in South America). She identified as Chilean and felt no affinity with Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans or other so-called “hispanics”. She rebelled against the term while attending Hunter College in NYC, because she did not want to be grouped together with the Puerto Ricans and Dominicans…she felt it was a prerogative term and did not want to be linked to these groups. Even on the census she would never identify as hispanic.
When our first child was born she was upset when they attempted to label her “hispanic” and made sure she was not counted as “hispanic”…same with our son, but when our last child was born in 2012 she did not object when they listed her as “hispanic”. Our children have very American names , I had suggested giving them a Spanish sounding middle name , because it might give them some Pokémon points, but she refused. She even refused to name our daughter after her grandmother and she refused to name our son after her brother….But now she finally understands that it would be of great benefit to our children if they had spanish names. This change occurred as she saw the advantage hispanics get when applying for admission to colleges and jobs. She now identifies as Hispanic and knows she obtained her current position because she self-identified as hispanic.
I think the answer is more insidious. They want white people to go back asleep. “Shh. It’s Ok. There’s nothing to worry about. You are not being replaced.”
It’s too late, I think.
Trump trusted his Jewish lawyer at his own peril. Mueller is trying to make an anti-Semitic point?
The whole case further eroded my trust in the US justice system, with the attorney coming under investigation and attorney-client privilege questioned.
I guess the commentariat here knows more than I do of the case or whether it poses any danger to Trump.Replies: @Boethiuss, @Dave Pinsen, @Tyrion 2, @Alec Leamas, @pyrrhus
The attorney-client privilege is traditionally the client’s – the attorney can’t waive it because he thinks that it’ll help him in some way. It’s a rule of competence: essentially, the legal fiction is that the attorney is rendered incompetent to testify as to matters covered by the privilege as if the attorney was a mongoloid or an infant.
Now, because the investigation is a thoroughly partisan political operation, the attorney-client material is just going to be leaked by the prosecutors or Cohen himself to the media in order to maximize its damage and present Trump with a series of dilemmas – assert the privilege in the leaked material and take the political damage or waive the privilege and accept the legal damage. The fact that Clinton operator Davis is “representing” Cohen (in what capacity is not clear) reveals that this is a Clinton operation from the outset.
I’ve come to that conclusion as well. I think the people in charge of such things in America chose to sponsor the Frankfurt School and the post-structuralists in the hopes that they’d bugger-up the far Left and make them useless to Moscow (or any other enemy of American consumer capitalism).
Like everything else the “deep state” does, the cure was grossly over administered and ended up worse than the disease. Oddly enough, we now patriotic conservatives in the West and ex-Marxist-Leninists in the former East Bloc, forming loose coalitions to clean up the messes made under Washington’s guidance..
Wenn Deutschland die millionenfache Armutszuwanderung aus dem afrikanisch-arabischen Raum nicht umkehrt, begeht unser Land gesellschaftlichen und wirtschaftlichen Selbstmord.
If Germany does not stop mass immigration of impoverished Africans and muslims, it will be committing national and economic suicide.
Years ago, Sarrazin said the same thing in a different way.
But better to do the honorable thing than risk being called a racist.Replies: @eah
Seen on the Spanish island of Mallorca:
Since the 1950’s, Majorca has become a well-known tourist destination, and the tourism business has become the main source of revenue for the island. In 2001, the island received millions of tourists and day by day, the boom in the tourism industry provided significant growth in the economy of Majorca. With more than half of the population working in the tourist sector, a vast amount, approximately 80%, is contributed to Majorca’s GDP.
It’s a kind of weird sickness.
Stay woke.Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Alec Leamas
Yes, they were literally celebrating the inevitable march toward permanent “majority minority” status for Whites in their live coverage of the 2016 election. It was only after about 10 PM EST that it went from being something wonderful to something that only “fragile” Whites ranted about.
American white people really hate being called “white people”
It’s a great point. Everyone knows how sensitive white people have become. They just can’t be satisfied.
Everyone also knows that when journalists, academics, or celebrities use the term ‘white man’, they aren’t spewing the word dismissively as a pejorative. No way.
But those damn whites are so sensitive. And now they have another rule, another microaggression.
If you are East Asian and white, you might as well lie and say you are a Tajik or something.
So should my Derbyshirian Ice People daughter with an equally Anglo last name check the “Hispanic” box, and can she get away with it (No Dolezal!) if she can speak Spanish?
Solid shots all of them but there's seemingly been very little actual damage taken. And it won't necessarily stay that way of course but for now at least it's kind of an odd good news/bad news thing. Hopefully soon we can switch gears to the confirmation fight over Kavanaugh and that will move the polls a couple of points in our favor.Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Almost Missouri, @Svigor, @ben tillman
I saw the assembled political/media hacks of our government news station (PBS) complaining/puzzling about exactly this the other day. They thought all their biased stories should have demolished Trump’s support by now, but they were flabbergasted that his support was holding firm. They questioned each other about how this could be. They had done all the right things to destroy his career, but when the smoke cleared nothing had changed. Of course they couldn’t imagine that they were the problem, not Trump.
The “3 solid hits” are only that in the media’s own imagination. The family separation thing is fake news. It’s been happening long before Trump, and rightfully, since children should not be incarcerated with adults who are not their parents. And if “separation” serves as a disincentive to border-jump, Americans support it. This has helped Trump (until he caved and started acquiescing to the sensibilities of the media whiners) and impugned the media.
The oligarch media tries hard to spin Putin in Helsinki as “bad”, but since no one outside the beltway sees why we should pick a fight with a nuclear power because Hillary lost her Precious, no one cares.
And the Cohen thing is just so much inside baseball of the arcane rules governing the administration of law, which normal people hate.
So really all that the media have done is prove that they are obsessives partisans about juridical tyranny and bureaucratic condescension, which Americans rightly despise.
And this leaves aside the oligarch media’s obvious hypocrisy and double standards. Obama admin takes illegal child border jumpers? What humanity! Obama offers to cooperate “flexibly” with the Russian government once he is re-elected? That’s statesmanship! Obama has legal problems? That’s not news fit to print!
Trump's approval rating is slipping, we've had some soft polling in some other races. And there's also some reason to think that Trump's tariff policy is going to have negative effects on the manufacturing base of the Rust Belt, and the ag base of the Midwest, with negative election consequences.
In any event, the initial child separation policy was never going to hold. And whatever can be said about the Michael Cohen thing, it's not arcane. Hush money paid in cash to adult movie actesses, fixer lawyers making secret recordings of their own clients, arcane, are you kidding me?
Yeah, it's good that for the most part he's holding up so far, but we're substantially deluding ourselves to think that any of this is actually _good_ news. We could stand a few Kavanaugh-centered feelgood news cycles.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Almost Missouri
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/6/18/17475740/family-separation-poll-polling-border-trump-children-immigrant-families-parents
The press never was "objective" and it is a healthy development that the myth of its objectivity is now pretty much destroyed. Journalists have only themselves to blame for this. Marat had his Charlotte Corday, and his successors may profit by his example.
The comparisons to Latin America don’t quite fit here, because we have had a lot more recent immigration from benighted places. Assume the status quo continues, and in a couple decades America is 60% nonwhite. That would make the Democratic Party what, 80%-90% nonwhite? There’s no way that wealthy white minority is going to buy off the rest of the party with just free stuff; the Muslims and others are going to want their social values incorporated into policies, and that’s when the white Dems will balk. Something will have to give. The white Dems will want that something to be democracy, to be replaced by a Bloombergist autocracy. That’s the only way to maintain liberal values with an illiberal populace. GOPs will balk at that. Then either the country has to split or a new, new people has to be elected.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Almost Missouri, @Bill, @Lagertha
It might be an issue if America was a parliamentary democracy where your vote matters. But since we only have two political parties, the parties will just continue realigning. The Republicans already are able to make decent inroads into the Latino vote, such as it is, by pushing social values issues.
I don’t see “Muslims” as being much of a threat to the US. The largest minority by far will be Mexican/Central Americans. America doesn’t get that many Muslim immigrants, they tend to assimilate more than Muslims in Europe and if Trump has had one unqualified success it has been letting Muslims know they aren’t welcome in the USA.
The Republicans are also quite good at keeping low IQ non-white voters sidelined so a Bloombergist autocracy comes quite naturally to them, at least to the GOP elites.
You're also eliding the fact that all Hispanics don't vote alike - Caribbean Hispanics in Florida are more amenable to the GOP due to a long history of Cuban Exile culture in the South East of the State dominating the GOP at the County and State levels. But we're not importing more reactionary Cuban Exiles - the Hispanics we're being flooded with are 85 IQ peasants from Mexico and Central America who favor Democrats and left wing economic policies by a large margin.
I'll state again that one of Trump's greatest blunders will wind up being how Puerto Rico was handled in the aftermath of the hurricanes down there. I'm not making the left wing argument that Trump is showing his racism by allowing a third world Caribbean Island nation (that happens to belong to the U.S.) to behave like a third world Caribbean Island nation. What I am saying is that an overgenerous response would have benefited Trump and the GOP tremendously by keeping thousands upon thousands of Puerto Ricans on the Island, rather than allowing the conditions to motivate them to move to the mainland. They've been settling in swing States like Florida and Pennsylvania, and it's not a good thing for the GOP to have a surfeit of immediately eligible Democrat voters landing in swing Swing states.Replies: @snorlax, @Eric Novak
I am proud of my conquistador heritage and have always been perplexed that I can be considered non-white, yet I embrace the Hispanic designation to take advantage of my Spanish heritage. My background is similar to Ted Cruz and thus even my children will obtain special rights because one of their 8 great grandparents was born in Cuba.
Stay woke.Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Alec Leamas
The reporting has ranged from celebratory (we will finally start approaching diversity and peak taco truck!) to unequivocally punitive (wait until you’re a minority and we get to really give you the business, whitey!).
They relied upon the strength of the white taboo – that it’s gauche to talk about whites as having interests, even if those interests are merely defensive in nature. It worked for a surprisingly long period of time. It worked less well after a decade of malaise when white working men have seen their life prospects and status in decline. Trump’s taboo-puncturing campaign did a lot to give some sort of form to what a lot of white people were feeling.
The other thing that has become apparent is that the ethos of “minority” has changed perceptively from an argument about relieving “oppression” to reversing the purported “oppression;” it’s about revenge now. Black identity especially has become a matter of retribution for FO HUNNET YEES.
Trump ran an implicitly White campaign and Hillary Clinton, foolishly, ran an explicitly anti-White campaign with her remarks about the Alt-Right and the "deplorables."
Trump went after the German American vote in the Great Lakes states he needed to win. Trump was implicitly trying to win the votes of Whites Without College Degrees and the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states. Trump went White big league.
To be blunt, White Core American Patriots will have to politically eviscerate the White GOP politician whores who do not begin to explicitly advance the interests of Whites. Kevin Yoder, Rodney Frelinghuysen, Paul Ryan, Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham and all the rest of the GOP politicians who push anti-White open borders mass immigration will have to be removed from the GOP. If it is necessary to win a bloody political civil war against the GOP donors and their anti-White GOP politician whores to do so, so be it.
WHITE IDENTITY POLITICS RISING
WHITE IDENTITY POLITICS IS A SLOW TRAIN ACCELERATING
Tweet from 2014:
https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/512651865117704192
The comparisons to Latin America don’t quite fit here, because we have had a lot more recent immigration from benighted places. Assume the status quo continues, and in a couple decades America is 60% nonwhite. That would make the Democratic Party what, 80%-90% nonwhite? There’s no way that wealthy white minority is going to buy off the rest of the party with just free stuff; the Muslims and others are going to want their social values incorporated into policies, and that’s when the white Dems will balk. Something will have to give. The white Dems will want that something to be democracy, to be replaced by a Bloombergist autocracy. That’s the only way to maintain liberal values with an illiberal populace. GOPs will balk at that. Then either the country has to split or a new, new people has to be elected.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Almost Missouri, @Bill, @Lagertha
I agree, except that like all good predictions, it’s mostly already happening.
Depending on the district, the Dems are already majority non-white. And those non-whites already want their values incorporated into policies. But except for anti-Israel BDS-type stuff, the white Dems aren’t balking much. (In other words, they’re balking at the anti-Jewish stuff, but the rest they are only too happy to give away.)
They already hate democracy. Look at how they slander actual democracy as “populism” or “nativism”. Bloombergist autocracy (good term, BTW) is their default platform now.
So far, the GOP isn’t balking much either. More’s the pity. The reaction will be stronger and less politically mediated.
Team Brown v. Team White. The Democratic candidate for GA governor, Stacey Abrams, is an under-employed black lesbian with a beer gut. Basically, the candidate of blacks, cat ladies, Jews, homosexuals, and Jewish homosexuals. Key Democratic constituencies.Replies: @Corvinus
A more sensible interpretation is that people will be mixed enough that minority descent will become like Irishness — nobody would care since it won’t really describe a coherent community with its own interests.
However, this is NOT going to happen in 20-30 years so your point still stands —it is silly to think that we don’t really know what “white” will mean in 2050. However, we don’t really what “conservative”or “Republican” will mean by then.
I don't see "Muslims" as being much of a threat to the US. The largest minority by far will be Mexican/Central Americans. America doesn't get that many Muslim immigrants, they tend to assimilate more than Muslims in Europe and if Trump has had one unqualified success it has been letting Muslims know they aren't welcome in the USA.
The Republicans are also quite good at keeping low IQ non-white voters sidelined so a Bloombergist autocracy comes quite naturally to them, at least to the GOP elites.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @MBlanc46
I demur. The height of the GOP’s share of Hispanic/Latinos in a National election was Dubya at just under 40% of the demographic. You can’t make that up a 60/40 split with volume. Fortunately for the time being Hispanics are concentrated in States that are already deep blue or white enough that the GOP can still win a majority of Congressional Districts and/or the electoral votes. This seems temporary however since the Hispanic demographic is increasing in States Republicans need in order to be a National party in contention for the Presidency, Texas being the most notable of these.
You’re also eliding the fact that all Hispanics don’t vote alike – Caribbean Hispanics in Florida are more amenable to the GOP due to a long history of Cuban Exile culture in the South East of the State dominating the GOP at the County and State levels. But we’re not importing more reactionary Cuban Exiles – the Hispanics we’re being flooded with are 85 IQ peasants from Mexico and Central America who favor Democrats and left wing economic policies by a large margin.
I’ll state again that one of Trump’s greatest blunders will wind up being how Puerto Rico was handled in the aftermath of the hurricanes down there. I’m not making the left wing argument that Trump is showing his racism by allowing a third world Caribbean Island nation (that happens to belong to the U.S.) to behave like a third world Caribbean Island nation. What I am saying is that an overgenerous response would have benefited Trump and the GOP tremendously by keeping thousands upon thousands of Puerto Ricans on the Island, rather than allowing the conditions to motivate them to move to the mainland. They’ve been settling in swing States like Florida and Pennsylvania, and it’s not a good thing for the GOP to have a surfeit of immediately eligible Democrat voters landing in swing Swing states.
But I also think you are right about assimilated Latinos identifying as white. I recently had a chat with a Mexican who proudly claims Spanish ancestry, and he said:
"Okay, I'm white, and I'm mostly into things of white interest, like rock music, but brown skinned Mexicans for the most part prefer their Mexican country, Tejano and other abysmal types of music, raggaeton, cumbia, ballenato... ugh!
I've tried to keep an open mind about that type of music but there's nothing for me to relate to there."
He also got annoyed when he read an article claiming that synthwave is "fascist." He thought the whole article was absurd, perhaps hinting at your divide between normies and cranks, which I think is a real thing.Replies: @Anonymous, @Prester John
Wonder how the late actor Ricardo Montalban identified. Though born in Mejico, his parents were emigres from Spain (read “Europe”). He could have easily been cast in the role of a Sicilian mafioso and in fact I read somewhere years ago that he was among those considered for the part of Barzini in the first “Godfather” but turned it down (it eventually went to Italo-American actor Richard Conte).
OT: GDP up 4.1%, it`s too much winning Mr.Trump:
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/27/soaring-consumer-spending-drives-gdp-to-4-1-in-q2/
The "3 solid hits" are only that in the media's own imagination. The family separation thing is fake news. It's been happening long before Trump, and rightfully, since children should not be incarcerated with adults who are not their parents. And if "separation" serves as a disincentive to border-jump, Americans support it. This has helped Trump (until he caved and started acquiescing to the sensibilities of the media whiners) and impugned the media.
The oligarch media tries hard to spin Putin in Helsinki as "bad", but since no one outside the beltway sees why we should pick a fight with a nuclear power because Hillary lost her Precious, no one cares.
And the Cohen thing is just so much inside baseball of the arcane rules governing the administration of law, which normal people hate.
So really all that the media have done is prove that they are obsessives partisans about juridical tyranny and bureaucratic condescension, which Americans rightly despise.
And this leaves aside the oligarch media's obvious hypocrisy and double standards. Obama admin takes illegal child border jumpers? What humanity! Obama offers to cooperate "flexibly" with the Russian government once he is re-elected? That's statesmanship! Obama has legal problems? That's not news fit to print!Replies: @Boethiuss, @AndrewR, @Crawfurdmuir, @Anonymous
Yeah, I really want to agree with you but I don’t. It is true that the bulk of Trump’s support is holding, in a situation where we could be getting torpedo-ed, but we’re still taking some damage.
Trump’s approval rating is slipping, we’ve had some soft polling in some other races. And there’s also some reason to think that Trump’s tariff policy is going to have negative effects on the manufacturing base of the Rust Belt, and the ag base of the Midwest, with negative election consequences.
In any event, the initial child separation policy was never going to hold. And whatever can be said about the Michael Cohen thing, it’s not arcane. Hush money paid in cash to adult movie actesses, fixer lawyers making secret recordings of their own clients, arcane, are you kidding me?
Yeah, it’s good that for the most part he’s holding up so far, but we’re substantially deluding ourselves to think that any of this is actually _good_ news. We could stand a few Kavanaugh-centered feelgood news cycles.
Frankly I think the number one area that will hurt Trump is if things go badly with his tariffs. The average person has no idea about economics, so they are unsure how to feel about them. Even his most ardent supporters.
The media is making them feel unstable, and how can Joe Blow prove them wrong that tariffs do actually work? Trump better hope his tariffs are successful or it will prove to be his undoing.Replies: @Boethiuss
They relied upon the strength of the white taboo - that it's gauche to talk about whites as having interests, even if those interests are merely defensive in nature. It worked for a surprisingly long period of time. It worked less well after a decade of malaise when white working men have seen their life prospects and status in decline. Trump's taboo-puncturing campaign did a lot to give some sort of form to what a lot of white people were feeling.
The other thing that has become apparent is that the ethos of "minority" has changed perceptively from an argument about relieving "oppression" to reversing the purported "oppression;" it's about revenge now. Black identity especially has become a matter of retribution for FO HUNNET YEES.Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Citizen of a Silly Country
Sam Francis said Whites have interests as Whites and these ancestral and blood interests must be advanced politically.
Trump ran an implicitly White campaign and Hillary Clinton, foolishly, ran an explicitly anti-White campaign with her remarks about the Alt-Right and the “deplorables.”
Trump went after the German American vote in the Great Lakes states he needed to win. Trump was implicitly trying to win the votes of Whites Without College Degrees and the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states. Trump went White big league.
To be blunt, White Core American Patriots will have to politically eviscerate the White GOP politician whores who do not begin to explicitly advance the interests of Whites. Kevin Yoder, Rodney Frelinghuysen, Paul Ryan, Jeff Flake, Lindsey Graham and all the rest of the GOP politicians who push anti-White open borders mass immigration will have to be removed from the GOP. If it is necessary to win a bloody political civil war against the GOP donors and their anti-White GOP politician whores to do so, so be it.
WHITE IDENTITY POLITICS RISING
WHITE IDENTITY POLITICS IS A SLOW TRAIN ACCELERATING
Tweet from 2014:
Women don’t want sad stories about children and mothers. Women vote more by sentiment than finance or facts.
Women vote by feelz. Show them a pic of a drowned child on a beach and they'll vote to let in millions of unskilled unassimilable immigrants, because feelz.
My mother and sister are exactly like this.Replies: @S. Anonyia
The Hispanic category is the wild card. Imagine being a black guy in Georgia in the 1940s. One day, society offers you a deal:
If you simply change your box on the census form from “Negro” to “Caribbean,” we’ll not only stop discriminating against you, we’ll praise you. You’ll have advantages in getting jobs and will be desired at parties. You don’t have to change your name. You don’t have to pretend that you aren’t black. The rest of your life doesn’t have to change one bit. Just check a different box on a few forms.
If I’m that guy, I take that deal. The system is corrupt anyway so why should I treat it as something pure. As the anti-white measures get more and more stern, I have to imagine that more than a few white kids will also take that deal.
I’ve already joked to my kids that they should put down Hispanic. We even have a plausible story. Besides, if I tell them that they have a Mexican great grandmother, well, then they can honestly say that their parents told them that they were part Hispanic. (Sen. Warren probably heard a similar story growing up.)
In the end, why should whites subject themselves to a corrupt and discriminatory system when there’s an easy out?
Except that "deal" is nonsensical in its context, because such an arrangement would never have been made. "Caribbean" and "black" were one in the same.
"I’ve already joked to my kids that they should put down Hispanic. We even have a plausible story."
Right, and become like those who take advantage of the system. So much for your principles.
– THEY ARE FUCKING LIARS.
OT: What’s wrong with Swedes?
https://fox43.com/2018/07/26/swedish-student-stops-deportation-of-afghan-man-with-protest-streamed-on-facebook/
They relied upon the strength of the white taboo - that it's gauche to talk about whites as having interests, even if those interests are merely defensive in nature. It worked for a surprisingly long period of time. It worked less well after a decade of malaise when white working men have seen their life prospects and status in decline. Trump's taboo-puncturing campaign did a lot to give some sort of form to what a lot of white people were feeling.
The other thing that has become apparent is that the ethos of "minority" has changed perceptively from an argument about relieving "oppression" to reversing the purported "oppression;" it's about revenge now. Black identity especially has become a matter of retribution for FO HUNNET YEES.Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Citizen of a Silly Country
Unfortunately, that taboo still exists among the vast majority of upper middle-class whites, especially white women. They remain insulated enough that the biggest danger to their lives is ostracism, not NAMs.
The genie is out of the bottle. The toothpaste is out of the tube.
White identity is here to stay.
It's not going back. But they are.Replies: @Cagey Beast, @The Anti-Gnostic, @dfordoom
The ethnic minority can start the identity politics fight, but the ethnic majority finishes it.
You're also eliding the fact that all Hispanics don't vote alike - Caribbean Hispanics in Florida are more amenable to the GOP due to a long history of Cuban Exile culture in the South East of the State dominating the GOP at the County and State levels. But we're not importing more reactionary Cuban Exiles - the Hispanics we're being flooded with are 85 IQ peasants from Mexico and Central America who favor Democrats and left wing economic policies by a large margin.
I'll state again that one of Trump's greatest blunders will wind up being how Puerto Rico was handled in the aftermath of the hurricanes down there. I'm not making the left wing argument that Trump is showing his racism by allowing a third world Caribbean Island nation (that happens to belong to the U.S.) to behave like a third world Caribbean Island nation. What I am saying is that an overgenerous response would have benefited Trump and the GOP tremendously by keeping thousands upon thousands of Puerto Ricans on the Island, rather than allowing the conditions to motivate them to move to the mainland. They've been settling in swing States like Florida and Pennsylvania, and it's not a good thing for the GOP to have a surfeit of immediately eligible Democrat voters landing in swing Swing states.Replies: @snorlax, @Eric Novak
The taxpayer gave Puerto Rico $65 billion. Sixty-five. Billion. Whatever the number was, it would’ve been “not enough.”
Apparently one of the big problems with the power grid in PR was that funds allotted for maintaining trees around the powerlines (that is, trimmed or removed when they reached a height that could threaten a nearby powerline) was wasted or stolen, probably by guys sleeping in the trucks or punching in and going to the beach. That's the sort of corruption that is endemic to the Caribbean. But because the trees near the powerlines were left to grow, a powerful hurricane was able to knock out the bulk of the power grid by blowing the trees over onto the lines. It's hard to feel too sympathetic for that sort of a society.
But we're not choosing in a vacuum. If your concern is the Nation's fiscal health spending now to keep Puerto Ricans on their Island and out of Swing States is probably a net positive for the Federal Treasury.
What is funny is that many Hispanics seem to think PR is some kind of goldmine for gringos. I'd be willing to write them a check, for them to declare their independence. $10 billion would be cheap.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Corn
The golem is waking up and (((they))) desperately want to stop it.
This is doubtless true from a dollars-and-cents perspective.
Apparently one of the big problems with the power grid in PR was that funds allotted for maintaining trees around the powerlines (that is, trimmed or removed when they reached a height that could threaten a nearby powerline) was wasted or stolen, probably by guys sleeping in the trucks or punching in and going to the beach. That’s the sort of corruption that is endemic to the Caribbean. But because the trees near the powerlines were left to grow, a powerful hurricane was able to knock out the bulk of the power grid by blowing the trees over onto the lines. It’s hard to feel too sympathetic for that sort of a society.
But we’re not choosing in a vacuum. If your concern is the Nation’s fiscal health spending now to keep Puerto Ricans on their Island and out of Swing States is probably a net positive for the Federal Treasury.
His surname says all that is necessary…
This is a variant of who/whom, where facts or reasoning could be beneficial to Whites, or harm POC, people are at liberty to disregard them and make up
nonsense.Replies: @Forbes
Nearly every forecast is taken seriously as believable, not bogus, e.g. Hillary winning the election, global warming, budget deficits, Super Bowl predictions, Obama’s declaration of $2,500 reduction in family insurance premiums due to Obamacare, tomorrow’s weather, etc., et cetera…
Why would demographic forecasts be any different…
In some ways the family separation uproar worked against the left. The goal was to force a retreat to “catch and release”, on the theory that if ICE couldn’t hold the family as a group, then they wouldn’t hold anybody.
Except that ICE can. So now they are simply detained as a family group. Trump graciously ends the policy and takes a bow.
The real icing is that the left’s more aggressive segments went all in on abolish ICE, which did nothing to shift opinion in their favor and in fact made them appear like loons. I really wish they’d push abolish ICE harder as immigration is a winner for Republicans, especially with the left taking what was a straw man argument (Nooooo one want open borders!) and making it real. The less reasonable the left is, the better the results for noticers, deplorables, and the right in general.
It will be difficult to continue with current affirmative action programs….already the prime benefactors of affirmative action for Blacks goes to Mulattoes and Hispanic slots go to people like Ted Cruz….
If white women continue to interbreed with Hispanics, Blacks and non-whites at the current rate there will be a huge number of “hispanics” who are genetically over 90% white. How long can colleges and employers discriminate in favor of people like the children of Ted Cruz ? Ivy League colleges may be 12% Hispanic today but just 1% are mestizo Mexicans.
OT:
This is how the 1970s finally ended, in the second decade of the 21st century:
https://twitter.com/diana_west_/status/1022856220305252352
Of course he did. His advisors at his now 50k a year private HS made sure.
One thing we must do is
1. Identity Latin America as a history of imperialism and conquest. Latinos should NOT be seen as 'victims'. They are of Conquistador blood.
2. We must NOT call non-white people from Latin America as Latino or Hispanic. It'd be like calling American Indians, Hawaiian natives, and Eskimos 'Anglo'. Only white or mostly white people of Latin America should be called Latino or Hispanic AND this category should be considered a white ethnicity, NOT a race category. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubber Boy Rubio are white as Latinos. So is Guillermo Del Toro. As for non-white or mostly non-white people of Latin America, call them something else. Mesos or whatever. But calling them 'Hispanic' or 'Latino' must end. Now, someone who is 50/50 can be called Mestizo or something.
So, Latino would be white(or mostly white), Mestizo would be very mixed, and Mesos would be mostly native. This way, even if someone like Yglesias identifies as 'Latino' or 'Hispanic', he wouldn't escape from his whiteness. Also, as white Latino a**holes always rag on White Yanqui guilt -- Guillermo Del Toro bitching about segregation in the US -- , it is time for American whites to return the favor and detail all the bad shit done by Conquistadors. No more Latino BS posing as 'people of color'.Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin, @Dtbb
White Latinos in the US are among the luckiest people in history. They get all the benefits of being white* in the US, and they also get many of the advantages of being colored in the US.
*in before autistic screeching about how whites are completely disadvantaged in every way
The "3 solid hits" are only that in the media's own imagination. The family separation thing is fake news. It's been happening long before Trump, and rightfully, since children should not be incarcerated with adults who are not their parents. And if "separation" serves as a disincentive to border-jump, Americans support it. This has helped Trump (until he caved and started acquiescing to the sensibilities of the media whiners) and impugned the media.
The oligarch media tries hard to spin Putin in Helsinki as "bad", but since no one outside the beltway sees why we should pick a fight with a nuclear power because Hillary lost her Precious, no one cares.
And the Cohen thing is just so much inside baseball of the arcane rules governing the administration of law, which normal people hate.
So really all that the media have done is prove that they are obsessives partisans about juridical tyranny and bureaucratic condescension, which Americans rightly despise.
And this leaves aside the oligarch media's obvious hypocrisy and double standards. Obama admin takes illegal child border jumpers? What humanity! Obama offers to cooperate "flexibly" with the Russian government once he is re-elected? That's statesmanship! Obama has legal problems? That's not news fit to print!Replies: @Boethiuss, @AndrewR, @Crawfurdmuir, @Anonymous
Good god, you’re a hack. At least Sarah Huckabee Sanders gets paid to shamelessly lie and spin for Donald Trump. You happily do it for free.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/6/18/17475740/family-separation-poll-polling-border-trump-children-immigrant-families-parents
University of Chicago?
That’s why he named his son Jose.
So, after an extended litany of hatred, abuse, and deconstruction against whites, the term has become a pejorative. I can’t imagine why.
https://twitter.com/jaricheson/status/1018531988310028288Replies: @eah, @James Speaks, @Svigor, @SunBakedSuburb
These people are leaves, they’ll be blown by the wind.
https://twitter.com/jaricheson/status/1018531988310028288Replies: @eah, @James Speaks, @Svigor, @SunBakedSuburb
Despite the Roy Moore debacle, and my liberal tendencies, I have become a Steve Bannon fan. So long as it is stripped of its authoritarian and fascist elements, European-style conservatism — nationalist without being irrationally xenophobic, and protective of Western culture and values against the African and Arab migrant invasion — is a much healthier alternative to the U.S. libertarian pipe dreams.
The comparisons to Latin America don’t quite fit here, because we have had a lot more recent immigration from benighted places. Assume the status quo continues, and in a couple decades America is 60% nonwhite. That would make the Democratic Party what, 80%-90% nonwhite? There’s no way that wealthy white minority is going to buy off the rest of the party with just free stuff; the Muslims and others are going to want their social values incorporated into policies, and that’s when the white Dems will balk. Something will have to give. The white Dems will want that something to be democracy, to be replaced by a Bloombergist autocracy. That’s the only way to maintain liberal values with an illiberal populace. GOPs will balk at that. Then either the country has to split or a new, new people has to be elected.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Almost Missouri, @Bill, @Lagertha
This is a solved problem. It is the exact same problem the WASPs/Jews solved vis a vis Catholics. You just physically destroy the community the disagreeable people live in and propagandize their children. Dearborn can be ethnically cleansed as easily as all those urban, ethnic neighborhoods were.
And the Puerto Ricans don’t even pay Federal taxes so they are free riders on the rest of us.
Solid shots all of them but there's seemingly been very little actual damage taken. And it won't necessarily stay that way of course but for now at least it's kind of an odd good news/bad news thing. Hopefully soon we can switch gears to the confirmation fight over Kavanaugh and that will move the polls a couple of points in our favor.Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Almost Missouri, @Svigor, @ben tillman
Because they weren’t solid shots. Nobody gives a shit anymore. Big Media’s just jerking off into a potted plant.
The interesting question is how blacks will react to the extension of affirmative action to legal immigrants and illegal aliens. The original rationale for affirmative action was that blacks owed their socioeconomic disadvantages to their history of slavery and segregation, for which they deserved compensatory preferential treatment. Whatever one may think of that argument, it cannot be used to justify preferential treatment for persons who entered this country recently and voluntarily. In their case affirmative action is just constituency-building without any plausible historical or moral premise.
I do not think a majority of blacks will ever vote for Republicans, but Trump polled better among them in 2016 than previous Republican candidates. Blacks are stronger in their antipathy to immigration than any other segment of the electorate:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-seminara-trump-immigration-reform-african-americans-20180316-story.html
The late Jack Kemp for years promoted the pipe-dream that blacks could be talked into voting for his type of Republicanism, based on libertarianism and supply-side economics, if only the party shed its cultivation of social conservatives and white Southerners. The current Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, is one of Kemp’s disciples, and Kemp’s influence is visible in Ryan’s hostility to Trump. The Kemp/Ryan approach has so far been conspicuous in its lack of success in attracting black voters.
It’s hard to say what will happen in coming elections, but wouldn’t it be a kick in the head if Trumpian “nativism” and “xenophobia” turned out to attract more black votes than Kemp’s and Ryan’s cuckery?
Trump trusted his Jewish lawyer at his own peril. Mueller is trying to make an anti-Semitic point?
The whole case further eroded my trust in the US justice system, with the attorney coming under investigation and attorney-client privilege questioned.
I guess the commentariat here knows more than I do of the case or whether it poses any danger to Trump.Replies: @Boethiuss, @Dave Pinsen, @Tyrion 2, @Alec Leamas, @pyrrhus
Two major things that Trump hasn’t yet understood are the JQ and the completely converged and crooked legal system now in place in America…His naivete could get him killed, as apparently almost happened in Ukistan…
Trump's approval rating is slipping, we've had some soft polling in some other races. And there's also some reason to think that Trump's tariff policy is going to have negative effects on the manufacturing base of the Rust Belt, and the ag base of the Midwest, with negative election consequences.
In any event, the initial child separation policy was never going to hold. And whatever can be said about the Michael Cohen thing, it's not arcane. Hush money paid in cash to adult movie actesses, fixer lawyers making secret recordings of their own clients, arcane, are you kidding me?
Yeah, it's good that for the most part he's holding up so far, but we're substantially deluding ourselves to think that any of this is actually _good_ news. We could stand a few Kavanaugh-centered feelgood news cycles.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Almost Missouri
Are you involved with some polling company for Trump? Just the way you write sounds as if you are an insider in the business.
Frankly I think the number one area that will hurt Trump is if things go badly with his tariffs. The average person has no idea about economics, so they are unsure how to feel about them. Even his most ardent supporters.
The media is making them feel unstable, and how can Joe Blow prove them wrong that tariffs do actually work? Trump better hope his tariffs are successful or it will prove to be his undoing.
The "3 solid hits" are only that in the media's own imagination. The family separation thing is fake news. It's been happening long before Trump, and rightfully, since children should not be incarcerated with adults who are not their parents. And if "separation" serves as a disincentive to border-jump, Americans support it. This has helped Trump (until he caved and started acquiescing to the sensibilities of the media whiners) and impugned the media.
The oligarch media tries hard to spin Putin in Helsinki as "bad", but since no one outside the beltway sees why we should pick a fight with a nuclear power because Hillary lost her Precious, no one cares.
And the Cohen thing is just so much inside baseball of the arcane rules governing the administration of law, which normal people hate.
So really all that the media have done is prove that they are obsessives partisans about juridical tyranny and bureaucratic condescension, which Americans rightly despise.
And this leaves aside the oligarch media's obvious hypocrisy and double standards. Obama admin takes illegal child border jumpers? What humanity! Obama offers to cooperate "flexibly" with the Russian government once he is re-elected? That's statesmanship! Obama has legal problems? That's not news fit to print!Replies: @Boethiuss, @AndrewR, @Crawfurdmuir, @Anonymous
Their biased stories did not demolish Trump’s support, because they have been so consistent and obvious in their bias that Trump’s base ignores them. How many Trump voters even watch PBS? Even the fabled “swing voters” are aware of their bias and discount for it in advance – as they do with CNN, MSNBC, etc. They also discount for bias on the other side, e.g., Fox.
The press never was “objective” and it is a healthy development that the myth of its objectivity is now pretty much destroyed. Journalists have only themselves to blame for this. Marat had his Charlotte Corday, and his successors may profit by his example.
“……………the notion that America will soon become a “majority minority” country, with people of color outnumbering whites — not only cause increased hostility toward other racial groups (which might be expected) but also push white people in a conservative direction on seemingly unrelated policy questions like tax rates and oil drilling.”
Seemingly unrelated? Tax rates are related to demographics.
That is, they don't necessarily feel connected to migrant labor illegally crossing the southern border, and they don't think jokes (or the reality of) nine kids in the family, landscaping jobs, or cars without insurance apply to them. If they actually put down white on Census form or job application or what have you, it's probably because they don't aspire to the mentality of disparate impact lawsuit payoffs.
The bigger picture is that right now, the biggest unspoken divide (and maybe the biggest divide regardless) is between the normies and the cranks.
We've internalized Left vs Right, and in the Trump era we're getting a handle on globalist vs nationalist, etc. The normies vs the cranks thing has largely flown under radar by comparison. For us, even though most of us are cranks, I think we've got to appreciate better than we do how much our cultural interest is tied to the advancement of the normies.Replies: @Anonymous, @Johnny Smoggins, @IHTG, @Anonymous
They may not identify with migrant laborers but the probably harbor a hostility toward core America and any manifestations of nationalism. It’s like Hindus or Chinese–same anti-White outlook.
My mother is .3% Iberian on her DNA test. My wife shows at .1% Native American. Under the Yglesias rule I guess that pretty much makes my children Mexican.
Another nugget from that Vox piece:
No, it should not be treated as constitutive but should be questioned. Who voted for it? Why is it “inevitable”? Is it working?
Steve is spot-on here, the Yale prof dead wrong.
I attended my Congressman’s open house a few weeks ago, and mentioned it here. Pure pap, a recitation of identity politics: Blacks, Hispanics, women, LGBTXYZ, and the various sub-factions, too, which he didn’t mention, such as Mexicans vs.Puerto Ricans–who is the more oppressed?
The straight White Euro-ethnic is the presumptive oppressor, and he’s the guy who’s compelled to provide rents, either directly, through transfer payments, in a roundabout way, through affirmative action, or “psychic” rents in the form of undeservedly diminished social status. To modify Orwell’s phrase: you get the boot stamping on your face, plus your pocket picked—forever.
Increasingly "white" is becoming a synonym for lower-IQ people of European descent, i.e. the "left behind".
I don't see Trump changing that long term either. His daughter and son-in-law are perfect examples of the new multi-ethnic overcaste - WASP/Czech/Jew teaching their kids Mandarin.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @Jus' Sayin'...
Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant
Andrew Hacker 1957:
Trumpy ain’t no WASP, dammit!
Trumpy is a half Kraut, half Scottish Scandinavian New Yorker. Trumpy’s blood has only been in the United States for a few generations.
Many old stockers who proudly voted for Trump have blood from ancestors who settled and pioneered the American colonies, but they still don’t think of themselves as WASPs. They think of themselves as English or Dutch or Swedish or a combination of that blood.
For instance, in New Hampshire, maybe 5 percent of the population would be considered WASPs. The rest are just wonderful Americans of proud English ancestry.
Unfortunately, I must report that many of the old stocker English in the Portland to Portland English colonial settler continuum did not support Trump.
There is a difference in the United States between WASPs and people of English ancestry.
Affirmative Action is a social atrocity. Currently we are encouraged to believe that chattel slavery and the death of Emmitt Till were bad events. Affirmative Action surely is worse than either of those. In the coming years we can hope that Americans regain some sense of scale. Everyone acts as if racism was a serious social problem. Our values are clearly out of balance.
We don’t really care if you murder, rape and torture. But everyone gets exercised if someone says the ‘N’ word. Yesterday there was a local news report that a black woman had kidnaped and burned alive a white baby. Not much press. Nothing nationally.
We are well launched towards real racial/ethnic/religious conflict. It won’t come soon but if we don’t begin soon to reverse the path we are on, a very messy civil conflict is inevitable. I only hope it doesn’t escalate to some sort of nuclear exchange.
I've written this before when Mr. Sailer* has treated AA like it's just something we've got to live with. What you read here, and previously, is that, "yeah, we can't have all these other groups becoming officially non-white, because only whites will be excluded" or "these other groups don't deserve AA, while American blacks ended up here through no fault of their own"... blah, blah, blah ...
Yeah, but it's wrong, period. You've got the Feral Gov, it's minions in Big-Biz America, and everyone else who can't keep a secret, overtly discriminating against whites, males, whoever. It's just wrong. Can't we agree on that at least. How many 10's of millions of white men's careers were derailed or at least slowed down by this unfair AA crap?
"Miss me yet?" - Barry AuH20
* I think it's one thing I disagree with Ann Coulter about too, if my memory is correct.
C'mon.
Look, AA or "set asides" or "quotas" or "reservations" are pretty much a given when you have any sort of democratic politics in a diverse society. It's called "political allocation' or "spoils" or "patronage politics".
Bad--ok. A mess--sure. Fraught with lies, obfuscation and double talk--indubitably! But it's weird how this excites the commenters here so much.
The problem isn't "Affirmative Action" it is "diversity". Don't allow separate people's to take root in your society. Certainly don't invite them in ... and you don't have a problem.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @JackOH, @Pat Boyle
https://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2018/07/mother_of_infant_killed_in_nat.html
On the other hand, the black perp may have made up a story to lessen her own culpability. We'll see in the months ahead.
Depending on the district, the Dems are already majority non-white. And those non-whites already want their values incorporated into policies. But except for anti-Israel BDS-type stuff, the white Dems aren't balking much. (In other words, they're balking at the anti-Jewish stuff, but the rest they are only too happy to give away.)They already hate democracy. Look at how they slander actual democracy as "populism" or "nativism". Bloombergist autocracy (good term, BTW) is their default platform now.
So far, the GOP isn't balking much either. More's the pity. The reaction will be stronger and less politically mediated.Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
Depending on the district, the Dems are already majority non-white.
Team Brown v. Team White. The Democratic candidate for GA governor, Stacey Abrams, is an under-employed black lesbian with a beer gut. Basically, the candidate of blacks, cat ladies, Jews, homosexuals, and Jewish homosexuals. Key Democratic constituencies.
The GOP is running a damn terrible campaign thus far. If they think screeching about socialism and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is all they need to do to save their bacon they’re more stupid than I realized.
Hopefully Kemp landslide victory will cow them into obeying Trump finally.
“you can’t legislate more people”
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/20180726/business-leaders-plan-summit-to-address-workforce-shortage
If only the worthless cucks in DC had the same vision.
What makes you think the family separation was a solid hit?
Of course, were immigration properly enforced neither would happen as no-one would be attempting to infiltrate our countries, but good luck getting people ti be quiet long enough for you to remind them of that.
o/t
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/07/the-urbanist-case-for-trailer-parks/566123/
The left making a play to get the white working class into the blue coastal cities. Something tells me this won’t become a trend, because it’s the wrong kind of diversity.
I do not think a majority of blacks will ever vote for Republicans, but Trump polled better among them in 2016 than previous Republican candidates. Blacks are stronger in their antipathy to immigration than any other segment of the electorate:http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-seminara-trump-immigration-reform-african-americans-20180316-story.html
The late Jack Kemp for years promoted the pipe-dream that blacks could be talked into voting for his type of Republicanism, based on libertarianism and supply-side economics, if only the party shed its cultivation of social conservatives and white Southerners. The current Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, is one of Kemp's disciples, and Kemp's influence is visible in Ryan's hostility to Trump. The Kemp/Ryan approach has so far been conspicuous in its lack of success in attracting black voters.
It's hard to say what will happen in coming elections, but wouldn't it be a kick in the head if Trumpian "nativism" and "xenophobia" turned out to attract more black votes than Kemp's and Ryan's cuckery?Replies: @Travis
This is why the media and democrats went all out to portray Trump as a Racist…his policy agenda is very popular among Blacks and working class whites. They both are united in the desire to reduce immigration
Increasingly "white" is becoming a synonym for lower-IQ people of European descent, i.e. the "left behind".
I don't see Trump changing that long term either. His daughter and son-in-law are perfect examples of the new multi-ethnic overcaste - WASP/Czech/Jew teaching their kids Mandarin.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Anonymous, @Charles Pewitt, @Jus' Sayin'...
If you run the numbers, the new cognitive elite you are projecting will be very much majority White and those Whites may very well include a plurality of Jews. The members of this new elite are not likely to engage in wholesale racial or ethnic inter-marriage, since genetics and regression towards the mean will significantly reduce the chances that the children of inter-racial couples will maintain their elite status. Whites and Asians will also form a clear majority of the middle class under this elite. If one wants to see examples of the society you envision, one need look no further than Mexico or Brazil.
Well, I will just speak of my own experiences as a token Conquistador American. I can tell you that I don’t feel a lot of kinship or unity with non-Conquistador Americans. This is not out of racism or spite, but rather because in my life, I have never been more victimized than I have by “Latinos,” specifically of the Indio/Mestizo variety.
I have had my identity stolen, things taken, my children and I have been bullied, and my husband has been held at gunpoint by those cretins. No, I feel no sense of solidarity with them. I say, let the trains come and sweep them all up back to their countries of origin. How I have come to hate them.
I wish I could go back in time and tell the Conquistadors that mixing is a mistake, and just to send wives along like the British will (since this is the past, of course). All it did was create a group of people who are confused, filled with self-hatred and loathing.
Will all due respect to Colin Flaherty and Fred Reed, I have lived among blacks and poor whites, and they are worse.
The new Americans if the “backwards boys” don’t put them back in gingham aprons.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/article/My-daughters-are-the-face-of-the-new-America-13108934.php?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=newsletter&utm_campaign=sfc_opinion
Annexing PR has got to be one of the stupidest, most disastrous things the US has ever done. Among the costs: direct costs subsidizing the island, massive costs of PR immigrants, costs of people from other countries like Haiti using PR as a transit point into the US.
What is funny is that many Hispanics seem to think PR is some kind of goldmine for gringos. I’d be willing to write them a check, for them to declare their independence. $10 billion would be cheap.
It's going to drop even more in 2018. Demography is actually on our side when it comes to PR .
We should have withdrawn from Puerto Rico as soon as the last Spanish soldier was driven out.
Ho Hum, The race card will continued to be played as long as there is a benefit, real or imagined, to being a minority. African-Americans, with slave ancestry, see themselves apart from African-Africans. A few years ago the compliant was that there wasn’t enough blacks in Major League Baseball. David Ortiz is near charcoal in complexion but his last name makes him a non-black Hispanic. He and all the other dark Hispanic players didn’t count because they would make the complaint invalid. Years ago, when I worked in an Affirmative Action Program, the community input came from community activists who were all black. Therefore minority numbers only meant the number of blacks employed, not other minorities such as Native Americans. Not enough pie slices to share.
I know someone who has 4 names: a somewhat less popular given name; two hyphenated family names (both European/Latin), along with a generic Anglo last name. His test scores were extremely high. Most national scholarship orgs (explicitly for minorities) took a wild (prejudiced) guess that he was a POC – he kept getting excited emails about his “amazing accomplishments”. Checking out his FB profile must have made admissions personnel, ultimately, to feel like such jerks & hypocrites! – they saw the brawny, chiseled, platinum blonde Viking of SJW’s worst dreams.
You're also eliding the fact that all Hispanics don't vote alike - Caribbean Hispanics in Florida are more amenable to the GOP due to a long history of Cuban Exile culture in the South East of the State dominating the GOP at the County and State levels. But we're not importing more reactionary Cuban Exiles - the Hispanics we're being flooded with are 85 IQ peasants from Mexico and Central America who favor Democrats and left wing economic policies by a large margin.
I'll state again that one of Trump's greatest blunders will wind up being how Puerto Rico was handled in the aftermath of the hurricanes down there. I'm not making the left wing argument that Trump is showing his racism by allowing a third world Caribbean Island nation (that happens to belong to the U.S.) to behave like a third world Caribbean Island nation. What I am saying is that an overgenerous response would have benefited Trump and the GOP tremendously by keeping thousands upon thousands of Puerto Ricans on the Island, rather than allowing the conditions to motivate them to move to the mainland. They've been settling in swing States like Florida and Pennsylvania, and it's not a good thing for the GOP to have a surfeit of immediately eligible Democrat voters landing in swing Swing states.Replies: @snorlax, @Eric Novak
Puerto Ricans have been settling in the two cities where their relatives are-NYC and Chicago. The island has not been abandoned either.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/classified/realestate/os-bz-florida-county-puerto-rican-population-growth-20171207-story.html
My younger brother and his family live in the lovely Orlando suburb, Winter Park, but he says the handwriting is on the wall; they had a shooting a quarter mile away last month.
Mulattos were black/white mixes, mestizos were red-yellow-brown/white, and zambos black/RWB.
Triracial persons were pardos.
There were large numbers of terms for fine gradations of these basic combinations, too.
It's interesting to note that it was the Spanish and not the British or French or Germans that developed these terms.Replies: @Logan
You’re talking about casta, which sometimes had 30 or more groupings, but more often about seven.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta#Racial_terminology
We don't really care if you murder, rape and torture. But everyone gets exercised if someone says the 'N' word. Yesterday there was a local news report that a black woman had kidnaped and burned alive a white baby. Not much press. Nothing nationally.
We are well launched towards real racial/ethnic/religious conflict. It won't come soon but if we don't begin soon to reverse the path we are on, a very messy civil conflict is inevitable. I only hope it doesn't escalate to some sort of nuclear exchange.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Lowe, @Anonymous, @Johann Ricke
AGREED, Pat.
I’ve written this before when Mr. Sailer* has treated AA like it’s just something we’ve got to live with. What you read here, and previously, is that, “yeah, we can’t have all these other groups becoming officially non-white, because only whites will be excluded” or “these other groups don’t deserve AA, while American blacks ended up here through no fault of their own”… blah, blah, blah …
Yeah, but it’s wrong, period. You’ve got the Feral Gov, it’s minions in Big-Biz America, and everyone else who can’t keep a secret, overtly discriminating against whites, males, whoever. It’s just wrong. Can’t we agree on that at least. How many 10’s of millions of white men’s careers were derailed or at least slowed down by this unfair AA crap?
“Miss me yet?” – Barry AuH20
* I think it’s one thing I disagree with Ann Coulter about too, if my memory is correct.
OT:
‘They Spit When I Walked in the Street’: The ‘New Anti-Semitism’ in France
“In 2011, the French government stopped categorizing the perpetrators of anti-Semitic acts. But before then, Muslims had been the largest group identified as perpetrators”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/world/europe/france-new-anti-semitism.html
The comparisons to Latin America don’t quite fit here, because we have had a lot more recent immigration from benighted places. Assume the status quo continues, and in a couple decades America is 60% nonwhite. That would make the Democratic Party what, 80%-90% nonwhite? There’s no way that wealthy white minority is going to buy off the rest of the party with just free stuff; the Muslims and others are going to want their social values incorporated into policies, and that’s when the white Dems will balk. Something will have to give. The white Dems will want that something to be democracy, to be replaced by a Bloombergist autocracy. That’s the only way to maintain liberal values with an illiberal populace. GOPs will balk at that. Then either the country has to split or a new, new people has to be elected.Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Almost Missouri, @Bill, @Lagertha
This… is what I have always believed. At some point soon, wealthy (and, border-line wealthy) white suburban & urban dwelling families (both Jewish & Christian), joined by wealthy Chinese & Indian families who have now been here, several generations, will not want to be taxed about 60-75% (like high income Swedes, currently) and have all that money go to support a very, very large working poor…and their children’s lives, cradle to grave. Meanwhile, the Ivies & Co., will continue to be private (stepping stone to assured 1% income)…so, it all becomes “”it’s about my kids’ future, and I simply can’t abide with more poor immigrants or border crossers.” It always comes down to money; not even sex anymore. The fact of the matter is, Democrats have no idea how high the taxes are for everyone in the Nordic countries…small population countries; the tax level you pay is according to all of your assets & salary. Even getting a traffic ticket can cost 100,000.00 euros depending on your rate.
Joe. I thought you were an iron worker. What the hell were you doing in an AA program?
OT, but a little more on McAllen. Sounds like catch and release on steroids.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/27/us/immigration-mcallen-bus-terminal-texas.html
We don't really care if you murder, rape and torture. But everyone gets exercised if someone says the 'N' word. Yesterday there was a local news report that a black woman had kidnaped and burned alive a white baby. Not much press. Nothing nationally.
We are well launched towards real racial/ethnic/religious conflict. It won't come soon but if we don't begin soon to reverse the path we are on, a very messy civil conflict is inevitable. I only hope it doesn't escalate to some sort of nuclear exchange.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Lowe, @Anonymous, @Johann Ricke
Huh? Affirmative Action is worse than chattle slavery?
C’mon.
Look, AA or “set asides” or “quotas” or “reservations” are pretty much a given when you have any sort of democratic politics in a diverse society. It’s called “political allocation’ or “spoils” or “patronage politics”.
Bad–ok. A mess–sure. Fraught with lies, obfuscation and double talk–indubitably! But it’s weird how this excites the commenters here so much.
The problem isn’t “Affirmative Action” it is “diversity”. Don’t allow separate people’s to take root in your society. Certainly don’t invite them in … and you don’t have a problem.
Which is the greater evil? (1) the involuntary servitude of Africans in the American colonies and United States from about 1620 up to 1865, or, (2) the efforts to abolish slavery, and to establish Americans of African descent as citizens in the same manner as other Americans of various origins are citizens?
Within (2), I suppose you could look at the direct costs of the Civil War, disproportionate crime rates of free Blacks, and a lot of other stuff.
I don't think I'm attitudinizing here---maybe it has been worth it to pay a huge price for desegregation/integration, overcoming racial animus, and so on. I'm very skeptical, but I'd be willing to listen to someone reasonably credible who skillfully argues the whole apparatus of civil rights, affirmative action, and so on are worth it.
For almost all of that history up until the very end when white Christians did away with it, slavery was not considered wrong. It was just how you got the crops in. Remember Jesus Christ never objected to slavery. In fact he can be said to have supported slavery.
Lately we have focused on the last major group to be enslaved - the Africans - mostly West Africans like the Bantus. But of course all peoples including Africans had been enslaved at one time or other. I, like a lot of baby boys of Irish couples, was named Patrick after the saint who had been a slave and later was among the first in history to abolish it.
Slavery is named after the Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, etc.). Slavs were so commonly enslaved that they named the practice after them. The Germans were frequently enslaved by the Romans until Herman (Arminius) revolted. The Greeks were also common Roman slaves as were the Jews. But by the eighteenth century most of the only real slaves were the English and Irish captured by the Barbary Pirates. There were at least a million such slaves from Europe. America formed it first navy to fight against the slavery of whites. Jefferson and Franklin had tried to negotiate with the Muslim slavers but we had to send in the Navy and the Marines.
All peoples wanted slaves to go into the fields and grow crops but all peoples resisted in being slaves themselves. Slavery got diminished when a people got an army they fought to free themselves. Blacks were among the last slaves because they were so primitive that they had no means by which to defend themselves. When seen this way it is clear that blacks became slaves because of their own characteristics and white men ended slavery because of theirs.Replies: @Anonymous
Hopefully Kemp landslide victory will cow them into obeying Trump finally.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
You’re acting as if the GOP actually wants to win
What is funny is that many Hispanics seem to think PR is some kind of goldmine for gringos. I'd be willing to write them a check, for them to declare their independence. $10 billion would be cheap.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Corn
Their total fertility rate has plummeted to 1.24 this year. That means that the next generation will be only ~62% the size of the current one.
It’s going to drop even more in 2018. Demography is actually on our side when it comes to PR .
C'mon.
Look, AA or "set asides" or "quotas" or "reservations" are pretty much a given when you have any sort of democratic politics in a diverse society. It's called "political allocation' or "spoils" or "patronage politics".
Bad--ok. A mess--sure. Fraught with lies, obfuscation and double talk--indubitably! But it's weird how this excites the commenters here so much.
The problem isn't "Affirmative Action" it is "diversity". Don't allow separate people's to take root in your society. Certainly don't invite them in ... and you don't have a problem.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @JackOH, @Pat Boyle
Yep, these days, AA is all about keeping a lid on a multi-everything society.
There is a dual strategy:
Diversity for thee,
Identity for me.
The purpose of the Democratic Party is to promote the first and secure the interests of the Diaspora. The purpose of the Republican Party is to secure the second, Israel as a Jewish homeland.
Hell no.
What is interesting about this is that it reveals how Jews tend to regard the minds and perceptions of vast masses of anonymous people as just objects to be managed and dealt with. There’s no appreciation or just simple acceptance that people think or believe what they do and are what they are; people’s minds and perceptions are something to be managed and dealt with. This would help explain why Jews tend to be so highly specialized in fields like the media.
Agreed. There should have been a legacy American alliance, consisting of blacks, Native American Indians, and Whites against any and all newcomers, specifically the Asians replacing Whites and the Mestizos replacing blacks. Such an alliance will never materialize, even though I think that is precisely the bargain Whites had in mind when they acquiesced to the CRM.
How’s your Rain Dance?
C'mon.
Look, AA or "set asides" or "quotas" or "reservations" are pretty much a given when you have any sort of democratic politics in a diverse society. It's called "political allocation' or "spoils" or "patronage politics".
Bad--ok. A mess--sure. Fraught with lies, obfuscation and double talk--indubitably! But it's weird how this excites the commenters here so much.
The problem isn't "Affirmative Action" it is "diversity". Don't allow separate people's to take root in your society. Certainly don't invite them in ... and you don't have a problem.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @JackOH, @Pat Boyle
AD, I’m not sure, but Pat Boyle may have something of a debate question worth exploring if he stretches a bit further:
Which is the greater evil? (1) the involuntary servitude of Africans in the American colonies and United States from about 1620 up to 1865, or, (2) the efforts to abolish slavery, and to establish Americans of African descent as citizens in the same manner as other Americans of various origins are citizens?
Within (2), I suppose you could look at the direct costs of the Civil War, disproportionate crime rates of free Blacks, and a lot of other stuff.
I don’t think I’m attitudinizing here—maybe it has been worth it to pay a huge price for desegregation/integration, overcoming racial animus, and so on. I’m very skeptical, but I’d be willing to listen to someone reasonably credible who skillfully argues the whole apparatus of civil rights, affirmative action, and so on are worth it.
What is funny is that many Hispanics seem to think PR is some kind of goldmine for gringos. I'd be willing to write them a check, for them to declare their independence. $10 billion would be cheap.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Corn
Our policy during and after the Spanish-American War was schizophrenic. We freed Cuba (though we meddled frequently) from Spain, made the Philippines an outright colony, and Puerto Rico was administered by the Navy Department for awhile, like we didn’t know what to do with it.
We should have withdrawn from Puerto Rico as soon as the last Spanish soldier was driven out.
Jim, it was an AA program run by the Building Trades Council and the Construction Industry Employers Association. An attempt to keep the peace in 1969.
How did it work out? Get anybody good out of it?
When I found out my children were .05% Native American, I broke into Cher’s “Half-Breed” and began singing it around the house. I’m still working on an accompanying dance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6E98ZRaU1s
https://twitter.com/JMcfeels/status/1020330012078047233?s=20
One thing we must do is
1. Identity Latin America as a history of imperialism and conquest. Latinos should NOT be seen as 'victims'. They are of Conquistador blood.
2. We must NOT call non-white people from Latin America as Latino or Hispanic. It'd be like calling American Indians, Hawaiian natives, and Eskimos 'Anglo'. Only white or mostly white people of Latin America should be called Latino or Hispanic AND this category should be considered a white ethnicity, NOT a race category. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubber Boy Rubio are white as Latinos. So is Guillermo Del Toro. As for non-white or mostly non-white people of Latin America, call them something else. Mesos or whatever. But calling them 'Hispanic' or 'Latino' must end. Now, someone who is 50/50 can be called Mestizo or something.
So, Latino would be white(or mostly white), Mestizo would be very mixed, and Mesos would be mostly native. This way, even if someone like Yglesias identifies as 'Latino' or 'Hispanic', he wouldn't escape from his whiteness. Also, as white Latino a**holes always rag on White Yanqui guilt -- Guillermo Del Toro bitching about segregation in the US -- , it is time for American whites to return the favor and detail all the bad shit done by Conquistadors. No more Latino BS posing as 'people of color'.Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin, @Dtbb
Mesos would be mostly native.
Why not use the Spanish term, Indio.
Is this an especially Jewish view of humanity? Maybe it was when Walter Lippmann and Edward Bernays got started but this is obviously now the common understanding of what motivates other people “out there”.
You must be as old as I am if you remember that song. Cher was hot back then.
Let’s do the right thing. Sell PR to Cuba.
As proud heirs of Peninsular Spain, they won’t mind paying a few billions to regain another part of the Spanish Empire.
The deal should be cash only given Cuba’s abysmal credit. However, if the Cubanos want to “sweeten the deal” by paying in sugar, we can talk about it.
In any case, it’s high time that we drain the (literal) swamp of the Fanjul brothers’ sugar monopoly and their stable of bought politicians in the U.S. House and Senate. Remember Billy Jeff Clinton had to take a longish call from one of the Fanjuls in the middle of an assignation with “that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”
Trump's approval rating is slipping, we've had some soft polling in some other races. And there's also some reason to think that Trump's tariff policy is going to have negative effects on the manufacturing base of the Rust Belt, and the ag base of the Midwest, with negative election consequences.
In any event, the initial child separation policy was never going to hold. And whatever can be said about the Michael Cohen thing, it's not arcane. Hush money paid in cash to adult movie actesses, fixer lawyers making secret recordings of their own clients, arcane, are you kidding me?
Yeah, it's good that for the most part he's holding up so far, but we're substantially deluding ourselves to think that any of this is actually _good_ news. We could stand a few Kavanaugh-centered feelgood news cycles.Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian, @Almost Missouri
We already went through the hush money thing with that Porno-Stormo chick. Nobody cared. Unlikely anyone will care the second time.
As for lawyer Cohen making secret recordings, that reflects poorly on him, but if they’re secret, then obviously Trump didn’t know about them by definition. If there was something scandalous in the tape, it hasn’t come up. I’m sure the oligarch media will try though.
It probably won't hurt too much in the long run, but in no way is this actually helping anything.
I’ll say it again: Vox is the most hardcore hard-Left site with any significant number of readers.
Roberts’s piece is nothing but outrageous racist mendacity from start to finish.
Hey, asshole, you just said — like fifty times — that it is bad to have white people around because we’re white. And some of us been here close to 400 years and produced everything that ingrate from Uganda is consuming.
Delete.
"Yes, and so are you. You just object to the fact that I am white and you're not."Replies: @ben tillman
I prefer, “Take your racism and shove it up your ass.”
We don't really care if you murder, rape and torture. But everyone gets exercised if someone says the 'N' word. Yesterday there was a local news report that a black woman had kidnaped and burned alive a white baby. Not much press. Nothing nationally.
We are well launched towards real racial/ethnic/religious conflict. It won't come soon but if we don't begin soon to reverse the path we are on, a very messy civil conflict is inevitable. I only hope it doesn't escalate to some sort of nuclear exchange.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Lowe, @Anonymous, @Johann Ricke
Post a link to the local news report about the murdered child.
Solid shots all of them but there's seemingly been very little actual damage taken. And it won't necessarily stay that way of course but for now at least it's kind of an odd good news/bad news thing. Hopefully soon we can switch gears to the confirmation fight over Kavanaugh and that will move the polls a couple of points in our favor.Replies: @Tyrion 2, @Almost Missouri, @Svigor, @ben tillman
Went to a funeral in one of Trump’s Great Lake states last week. There were six men drinking (under cover) outside in the rain.
Brother-in-law (a cop whose only child is a lesbian) mentioned that he made the move over to the Republicans in 2016. I said, “I can only imagine what some people in the family would think if they knew I voted for Trump.”
Cousin who is the son of two such family members (and is married to the daughter of a high-ranking Chinese bureaucrat) raised his hand sheepishly.
I figured the two sons of my Wharton School uncle were Trump voters (one of them is a Wharton grad himself and the other more blue-collarish), and then the sixth fellow (a Swede who is the blue-collarish cousin’s father-in-law) chimed in, “I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t support Trump.”
And there we were. The father of a lesbian. A race-mixer. Two Ivy Leaguers. The husband of an immigrant. And his Swedish father-in-law. And no one offered any objection to this observation despite all those recent “solid shots”.
Jim, at best it introduced minorities to the apprentice programs. Few took advantage.
Yglesias’s Hispanic background was primarily Galician. His grandfather, Jose Yglesias, wrote a very moving “Roots” style book “The Goodbye Land” about his journey back to the Old Country (late 1950s/early 1960s). If memory serves, Galician people, gallegos, were synonymous in Spanish America (certainly in Mexico) with horrible, grasping exploitation of local populations.
The Castros of Cuba are gallegos.
Coincidental of course.
Too bad. Thanks for the reply.
I have no doubt this is true, but it’s a horrible thing nonetheless. The tacit approval of the normies is what creates credibility and legitimacy.
Yeah, pretty much.
Frankly I think the number one area that will hurt Trump is if things go badly with his tariffs. The average person has no idea about economics, so they are unsure how to feel about them. Even his most ardent supporters.
The media is making them feel unstable, and how can Joe Blow prove them wrong that tariffs do actually work? Trump better hope his tariffs are successful or it will prove to be his undoing.Replies: @Boethiuss
No, I get most of my polling information from RealClearPolitics, which aggregates polling info from several different public polling orgs, and a couple of other places.
The "3 solid hits" are only that in the media's own imagination. The family separation thing is fake news. It's been happening long before Trump, and rightfully, since children should not be incarcerated with adults who are not their parents. And if "separation" serves as a disincentive to border-jump, Americans support it. This has helped Trump (until he caved and started acquiescing to the sensibilities of the media whiners) and impugned the media.
The oligarch media tries hard to spin Putin in Helsinki as "bad", but since no one outside the beltway sees why we should pick a fight with a nuclear power because Hillary lost her Precious, no one cares.
And the Cohen thing is just so much inside baseball of the arcane rules governing the administration of law, which normal people hate.
So really all that the media have done is prove that they are obsessives partisans about juridical tyranny and bureaucratic condescension, which Americans rightly despise.
And this leaves aside the oligarch media's obvious hypocrisy and double standards. Obama admin takes illegal child border jumpers? What humanity! Obama offers to cooperate "flexibly" with the Russian government once he is re-elected? That's statesmanship! Obama has legal problems? That's not news fit to print!Replies: @Boethiuss, @AndrewR, @Crawfurdmuir, @Anonymous
Have to agree on the family-separation “damage” to Trump being overrated– the group offended by that is disproportionately West L.A. bundlers for Hillary and autistic Kochertarians (of whom only the latter are somewhat kinda sincerely offended). In other words, it’s a scandal to 99% of amnesty zealots; to a little over 50% of normal Dems; to at most 25% of non-ideological independents; and to about 5% of Republicans. Trump probably gained supporters by the pro Left’s ravenous wringing of cash out of the issue.
Actually they don’t, that’s the point.
It has. I haven’t followed it too closely but from what I understand Trump is on tape authorizing Cohen to pay off McDougal and how to handle the various logistical issues around making that happen. I think the substance was heretofore widely known or guessed at, but Trump had been denying it.
It probably won’t hurt too much in the long run, but in no way is this actually helping anything.
All for the better as far as I’m concerned.
One thing we must do is
1. Identity Latin America as a history of imperialism and conquest. Latinos should NOT be seen as 'victims'. They are of Conquistador blood.
2. We must NOT call non-white people from Latin America as Latino or Hispanic. It'd be like calling American Indians, Hawaiian natives, and Eskimos 'Anglo'. Only white or mostly white people of Latin America should be called Latino or Hispanic AND this category should be considered a white ethnicity, NOT a race category. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubber Boy Rubio are white as Latinos. So is Guillermo Del Toro. As for non-white or mostly non-white people of Latin America, call them something else. Mesos or whatever. But calling them 'Hispanic' or 'Latino' must end. Now, someone who is 50/50 can be called Mestizo or something.
So, Latino would be white(or mostly white), Mestizo would be very mixed, and Mesos would be mostly native. This way, even if someone like Yglesias identifies as 'Latino' or 'Hispanic', he wouldn't escape from his whiteness. Also, as white Latino a**holes always rag on White Yanqui guilt -- Guillermo Del Toro bitching about segregation in the US -- , it is time for American whites to return the favor and detail all the bad shit done by Conquistadors. No more Latino BS posing as 'people of color'.Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Harry Baldwin, @Dtbb
You should read James Mitchener’s “Caribbean”. Must be 20 names for different mixes. Funny thing is that in the past every family’s goal was to get lighter every generation.
Malcolm Gladwell explains his mother’s Jamaican side of the family’s multi-generational attempt to get lighter and brighter genes in “Outliers.”
The genie is out of the bottle. The toothpaste is out of the tube.
White identity is here to stay.
It's not going back. But they are.Replies: @Cagey Beast, @The Anti-Gnostic, @dfordoom
White identity is, at this point in time, something that only a tiny handful of white people are aware of or believe in. Is there such a thing as an identity if most people don’t believe in it? Black identity exists because almost all black people believe that it exists.
White identity might very well be an extremely good thing. It might even be essential for survival. But I don’t see the evidence that it actually exists.
Meanwhile the mass media reaches (and indoctrinates) billions.
Andrew Hacker 1957:Trumpy ain't no WASP, dammit!
Trumpy is a half Kraut, half Scottish Scandinavian New Yorker. Trumpy's blood has only been in the United States for a few generations.
Many old stockers who proudly voted for Trump have blood from ancestors who settled and pioneered the American colonies, but they still don't think of themselves as WASPs. They think of themselves as English or Dutch or Swedish or a combination of that blood.
For instance, in New Hampshire, maybe 5 percent of the population would be considered WASPs. The rest are just wonderful Americans of proud English ancestry.
Unfortunately, I must report that many of the old stocker English in the Portland to Portland English colonial settler continuum did not support Trump.
There is a difference in the United States between WASPs and people of English ancestry.Replies: @syonredux
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant
Isn’t that the point of having a country of your own? Do the Japanese ever debate whether their presence in their own country is detrimental…..
Of course, sans White people, America (meaning, in this instance, the USA) would not exist. White people didn’t conquer America; they created it.
Foe example, we might experience a tsunami of Black Africans……
How would Netanyahu react to the prospect of Jews becoming a plurality in Israel…..
Of course, if White people are reminded that they are White people, and that they have “shared interests,” wouldn’t that encourage them to act in defense of those interests….maybe by limiting/ending immigration by non-Europeans…..
Well, one solution for that problem would be a separate nation for Black Americans…..
On the other hand, some White people really like that…..precisely because it makes White people think about their group interests….
So, people frankly voting in the name of their racial interests is a good thing…..
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/26/17613844/racial-diversity-poll-twitter-white-people
Hispanics are descended from Asians, so…yes?
We don't really care if you murder, rape and torture. But everyone gets exercised if someone says the 'N' word. Yesterday there was a local news report that a black woman had kidnaped and burned alive a white baby. Not much press. Nothing nationally.
We are well launched towards real racial/ethnic/religious conflict. It won't come soon but if we don't begin soon to reverse the path we are on, a very messy civil conflict is inevitable. I only hope it doesn't escalate to some sort of nuclear exchange.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Lowe, @Anonymous, @Johann Ricke
Don’t worry, not much chance of Blacks mastering the technology of the nuclear family.
In the last century many expected India and Pakistan - both with access to nukes - would have an exchange and millions would die. Similarly some said the nuclear armed South Africa would resist the end of white rule with atomic weapons. neither happened but it wasn't because the weapons weren't available.
White identity might very well be an extremely good thing. It might even be essential for survival. But I don't see the evidence that it actually exists.Replies: @Dtbb, @Anonymous
Look at any prison.
It wasn’t as effective for the American open borders people as Alan Kurdi’s death was for the European open borders people, but “locking up children” hits an emotional button that nothing else attributed to Trump does.
Of course, were immigration properly enforced neither would happen as no-one would be attempting to infiltrate our countries, but good luck getting people ti be quiet long enough for you to remind them of that.
“Faze”, please.
They’ve basically annexed Central Florida.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/classified/realestate/os-bz-florida-county-puerto-rican-population-growth-20171207-story.html
My younger brother and his family live in the lovely Orlando suburb, Winter Park, but he says the handwriting is on the wall; they had a shooting a quarter mile away last month.
The full stop and the near saintly police officers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YFjVN5BB_AReplies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Hibernian
Think they might have had a case for fleeing and eluding. She was very reluctant to pull over.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/26/17613844/racial-diversity-poll-twitter-white-peopleReplies: @ben tillman
You can’t settle differences by democracy. Democracy works only in the absence of differences. Democracy is government by consensus.
https://twitter.com/jaricheson/status/797070911002312704Replies: @CCZ, @eah
https://twitter.com/___croak/status/1021877431588855814
Maybe or maybe they have high IQ allies.
So if we have a Second Civil War answer the question - If Lee after Gettysburg when things were going so badly for The Cause. If he had had nuclear weapons would he have used them? I'd like to think that Bobby Lee would not have, nor Grant. But how about Sherman?
If you simply change your box on the census form from "Negro" to "Caribbean," we'll not only stop discriminating against you, we'll praise you. You'll have advantages in getting jobs and will be desired at parties. You don't have to change your name. You don't have to pretend that you aren't black. The rest of your life doesn't have to change one bit. Just check a different box on a few forms.
If I'm that guy, I take that deal. The system is corrupt anyway so why should I treat it as something pure. As the anti-white measures get more and more stern, I have to imagine that more than a few white kids will also take that deal.
I've already joked to my kids that they should put down Hispanic. We even have a plausible story. Besides, if I tell them that they have a Mexican great grandmother, well, then they can honestly say that their parents told them that they were part Hispanic. (Sen. Warren probably heard a similar story growing up.)
In the end, why should whites subject themselves to a corrupt and discriminatory system when there's an easy out?Replies: @Corvinus
“The Hispanic category is the wild card. Imagine being a black guy in Georgia in the 1940s. One day, society offers you a deal…”
Except that “deal” is nonsensical in its context, because such an arrangement would never have been made. “Caribbean” and “black” were one in the same.
“I’ve already joked to my kids that they should put down Hispanic. We even have a plausible story.”
Right, and become like those who take advantage of the system. So much for your principles.
I, for one, am a great fan of the narrative of The Antiquary.
http://www.walterscott.lib.ed.ac.uk/works/novels/antiquary.html
Galicians are also the whitest of Spaniards with the highest incidence of light hair and eyes. When an indio pictures a stereotypical European/Spaniard he thinks of a Galician.
They felt it was less of a disadvantage. FIFY.
White identity might very well be an extremely good thing. It might even be essential for survival. But I don't see the evidence that it actually exists.Replies: @Dtbb, @Anonymous
Well, it clearly has several hundred adherents, at least. Maybe thousands!
Meanwhile the mass media reaches (and indoctrinates) billions.
Team Brown v. Team White. The Democratic candidate for GA governor, Stacey Abrams, is an under-employed black lesbian with a beer gut. Basically, the candidate of blacks, cat ladies, Jews, homosexuals, and Jewish homosexuals. Key Democratic constituencies.Replies: @Corvinus
“Team Brown v. Team White.”
No, silly man, Team Democrat and Team Republican. In other words, ideology at work here.
Let’s look at a current case study.
The campaign flyer.
nonprofitquarterly.org/2018/06/28/the-small-d-democratic-promise-of-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-bold-win
Ocasio-Cortez won to high young white turnout and non-Hispanic votes.
theintercept.com/2018/07/01/ocasio-cortez-data-suggests-that-gentrifying-neighborhoods-powered-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-victory-over-the-democratic-establishment/
“In fact, Crowley — Irish-American and from Queens — was presumed to do better there than Ocasio-Cortez — Puerto Rican and from the Bronx — who was expected to carry her home borough. But Romalewski mapped out the votes across the district, and what he found was the exact opposite of the pundits’ conclusion: Crowley, known until last week as the “king of Queens,” was crushed almost everywhere, but he did better in the Bronx. You can also see that most of her votes, the strongest vote support, came from areas like Astoria in Queens and Sunnyside in Queens and parts of Jackson Heights that, number one, were not predominantly Hispanic, so they’re a more mixed population, and are areas where — this is kind of a term of art — are in the process of being gentrified, where newer people are moving in,” said Romalewski.”
Something else to NOTICE.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/joseph-crowleys-defeat-15995.html
“This newly drawn district proved perfect for Ocasio-Cortez, who beat Crowley not just among Latinos but also in many white areas, where “woke” Bernie Bros voted but the Democratic Party organization couldn’t turn out the vestiges of its old ethnic base.”
This may be how Democrats win.
https://akinokure.blogspot.com/2018/06/in-populist-re-alignment-of-dems-would.html
“Taking his place is a 28 year-old who had never even competed for office before, and who ran her ragtag operation on small donations. She triumphed by offering a populist / socialist platform that, in the Bernie era, is beginning to sweep away the neoliberalism-lite option that had been the opposition party’s only path to victory during the Reagan era, already in its twilight phase under Trump. On a personal level, she comes across as a normal, wholesome, authentic human being, rather than the typical politician who is a manufactured brown-nosing degenerate. She is warm, nurturing, soothing, and feminine — as though she is only reluctantly wading into cut-throat politics out of last-resort maternal instinct, like a mama bear who sees her cubs being threatened. Totally unlike the over-weening ambition of the typical “woman in politics” during the neoliberal era, who are self-absorbed strivers without a nurturing bone in their sociopathic bodies — Hillary Clinton, Nikki Haley, etc.”
We don't really care if you murder, rape and torture. But everyone gets exercised if someone says the 'N' word. Yesterday there was a local news report that a black woman had kidnaped and burned alive a white baby. Not much press. Nothing nationally.
We are well launched towards real racial/ethnic/religious conflict. It won't come soon but if we don't begin soon to reverse the path we are on, a very messy civil conflict is inevitable. I only hope it doesn't escalate to some sort of nuclear exchange.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad, @Lowe, @Anonymous, @Johann Ricke
The infant’s mother has been arrested for possibly having been in on it, perhaps for the life insurance payout. Not a pretty situation.
https://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2018/07/mother_of_infant_killed_in_nat.html
On the other hand, the black perp may have made up a story to lessen her own culpability. We’ll see in the months ahead.
1000x this.
Women vote by feelz. Show them a pic of a drowned child on a beach and they’ll vote to let in millions of unskilled unassimilable immigrants, because feelz.
My mother and sister are exactly like this.
Sad but true. They also won’t look at facts when they counter their feelz. I have had numerous women respond to facts that clearly disprove their viewpoint with, “I refuse to believe that”
C'mon.
Look, AA or "set asides" or "quotas" or "reservations" are pretty much a given when you have any sort of democratic politics in a diverse society. It's called "political allocation' or "spoils" or "patronage politics".
Bad--ok. A mess--sure. Fraught with lies, obfuscation and double talk--indubitably! But it's weird how this excites the commenters here so much.
The problem isn't "Affirmative Action" it is "diversity". Don't allow separate people's to take root in your society. Certainly don't invite them in ... and you don't have a problem.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @JackOH, @Pat Boyle
Chattel slavery was the a major feature in most parts of the world for most of human history, It began with the Neolithic Revolution and ended with the Industrial Revolution. Hunter Gatherers didn’t need slaves to till their fields not did moderns who made tractors.
For almost all of that history up until the very end when white Christians did away with it, slavery was not considered wrong. It was just how you got the crops in. Remember Jesus Christ never objected to slavery. In fact he can be said to have supported slavery.
Lately we have focused on the last major group to be enslaved – the Africans – mostly West Africans like the Bantus. But of course all peoples including Africans had been enslaved at one time or other. I, like a lot of baby boys of Irish couples, was named Patrick after the saint who had been a slave and later was among the first in history to abolish it.
Slavery is named after the Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, etc.). Slavs were so commonly enslaved that they named the practice after them. The Germans were frequently enslaved by the Romans until Herman (Arminius) revolted. The Greeks were also common Roman slaves as were the Jews. But by the eighteenth century most of the only real slaves were the English and Irish captured by the Barbary Pirates. There were at least a million such slaves from Europe. America formed it first navy to fight against the slavery of whites. Jefferson and Franklin had tried to negotiate with the Muslim slavers but we had to send in the Navy and the Marines.
All peoples wanted slaves to go into the fields and grow crops but all peoples resisted in being slaves themselves. Slavery got diminished when a people got an army they fought to free themselves. Blacks were among the last slaves because they were so primitive that they had no means by which to defend themselves. When seen this way it is clear that blacks became slaves because of their own characteristics and white men ended slavery because of theirs.
Someone else already has before I woke up this morning. See Comment #174.
Think about it. If the “Black Lives Matter” crowd continue to call for the death of whites and act on those beliefs then we are well on our way towards a Second Civil War. After the Great War of 1914-18 no one at first expected another. But all the disputes were not settled. We had a second war around many of the same belligerents and issues.
So if we have a Second Civil War answer the question – If Lee after Gettysburg when things were going so badly for The Cause. If he had had nuclear weapons would he have used them? I’d like to think that Bobby Lee would not have, nor Grant. But how about Sherman?
I also worry because while it may very well be that while blacks are not intellectually up to inventing nuclear weapons, they have already been invented. Just as the “smart phones’ that made Steve jobs and Apple rich beyond the dreams of avarice could probably never have been invented by Africans anywhere, blacks have no problem in using them. I’m pretty sure that most blacks would have no trouble in “pushing the button”. The reason no one has since Nagasaki has been moral and political not technical complexity.
In the last century many expected India and Pakistan – both with access to nukes – would have an exchange and millions would die. Similarly some said the nuclear armed South Africa would resist the end of white rule with atomic weapons. neither happened but it wasn’t because the weapons weren’t available.
Women vote by feelz. Show them a pic of a drowned child on a beach and they'll vote to let in millions of unskilled unassimilable immigrants, because feelz.
My mother and sister are exactly like this.Replies: @S. Anonyia
If your mother and sister are like this then they weren’t raised tough enough. Families with weak women will eventually have weak men too. Liberal women are liberal because they internalized all the do-gooder stuff they’re taught in grade school. Let’s take 2 identical teenage girls both middle class and both go to college and eventually have families: one worked a service industry job over the summers and the other went to camp and focused on their studies/volunteering. Pretty obvious which one is going to look out for themselves over others and vote accordingly. Most women become conservative not through family/religious indoctrination but by observing all the threats and ridiculousness of the world firsthand.
I don't see "Muslims" as being much of a threat to the US. The largest minority by far will be Mexican/Central Americans. America doesn't get that many Muslim immigrants, they tend to assimilate more than Muslims in Europe and if Trump has had one unqualified success it has been letting Muslims know they aren't welcome in the USA.
The Republicans are also quite good at keeping low IQ non-white voters sidelined so a Bloombergist autocracy comes quite naturally to them, at least to the GOP elites.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @MBlanc46
The Repubs have been on the verge of making inroads into the Hispanic vote for years. Three decades from now, the Repubs, if they still exist as such, will be on the verge of making inroads into the Hispanic vote. When the Sun finally explodes and consumes the Earth, the Repubs will be on the verge of making inroads into the Hispanic vote.
For almost all of that history up until the very end when white Christians did away with it, slavery was not considered wrong. It was just how you got the crops in. Remember Jesus Christ never objected to slavery. In fact he can be said to have supported slavery.
Lately we have focused on the last major group to be enslaved - the Africans - mostly West Africans like the Bantus. But of course all peoples including Africans had been enslaved at one time or other. I, like a lot of baby boys of Irish couples, was named Patrick after the saint who had been a slave and later was among the first in history to abolish it.
Slavery is named after the Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, etc.). Slavs were so commonly enslaved that they named the practice after them. The Germans were frequently enslaved by the Romans until Herman (Arminius) revolted. The Greeks were also common Roman slaves as were the Jews. But by the eighteenth century most of the only real slaves were the English and Irish captured by the Barbary Pirates. There were at least a million such slaves from Europe. America formed it first navy to fight against the slavery of whites. Jefferson and Franklin had tried to negotiate with the Muslim slavers but we had to send in the Navy and the Marines.
All peoples wanted slaves to go into the fields and grow crops but all peoples resisted in being slaves themselves. Slavery got diminished when a people got an army they fought to free themselves. Blacks were among the last slaves because they were so primitive that they had no means by which to defend themselves. When seen this way it is clear that blacks became slaves because of their own characteristics and white men ended slavery because of theirs.Replies: @Anonymous
Interesting overview. Thanks.
Is it possible that blacks predominated as slaves in modern history because they had less incentive than others to revolt?
More probably that they had weak governments (or strong governments actually consisting of slave-traders) willing to sell them.
Is it possible that blacks predominated as slaves in modern history because they had less incentive than others to revolt?
I don’t think so. My reading of history is that blacks were unhappy and rebellious just as other races and ethic groups had been when they were enslaved. There was the Nat Turner slave revolt but which was very poorly planned and of course Haiti. I imagine there were many less well known slave revolts too.
The difference I think was basic competence. Nat Turner just went on a nearly spontaneous murderous reprisal raid. He had no plans for forming a government or building a black economy. Haiti’s revolt was better planned and executed but the blacks on Haiti also were not successful at government of economics. Haiti is usually cited as the most successful slave revolt ever. But it was a special case. The French white troops died in droves in Haiti from Yellow fever. Napoleon wanted to pull them out.
Yellow fever was a disease inserted into the New World by African slaves that had been imported to work in the sugar fields. Blacks were better than whites in the sugar fields when first introduced. The whites got malaria in tropical lands. Blacks of course have several adaptations to malaria They have partial immunity to Plasmodium Falciparum and complete immunity to Plasmodium Vivax. So when introduced into the Caribbean or Virginia where white indentured servants had had difficulty surviving, they immediately were a success. Then the black slaves who also carried Yellow Fever and natural Yellow Fever resistance with them, established their immunological beachhead further. The blacks got their foothold in the Western Hemisphere by means of their disease resistance, with Yellow Fever being a disease they brought with them.
I’m glad Steve is rebutting this nonsense again. It’s so ridiculous to anyone who grew up in the new diverse America to think that the white category will expand in the future. Only an old person who grew up in a homogenous environment could think that. Every group with marginal claims on whiteness in this reading has been running from white status on average.
I remember mixed race Puerto Ricans I grew up with would suddenly turn white when we were around a lot of blacks. I mean like “white boys like us better get out of this neighborhood, there’s niggers everywhere.”
Then when we went back the white neighborhood they would go back to “yo nigga, these white boys are crazy b, I’m brown, nigga.”