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From the International Monetary Fund’s Finance & Development magazine::

THE BASIC SKILLS GAP

ERIC A. HANUSHEK , LUDGER WOESSMANN

UPCOMING JUNE ISSUE

April 26, 2022

… Based on the available evidence, we highlight three key issues: (1) Skill differences account for three-quarters of cross-country variations in long-term growth. (2) The global skill deficit is immense, as two-thirds or more of the world’s youth do not reach even basic skill levels. (3) Accordingly, reaching the goal of global universal basic skills would raise future world GDP by \$700 trillion over the remainder of the century.

… Our interpretation of the pattern of economic growth and development is straightforward: although a number of factors enter into short-term growth, in the long run growth depends primarily on the skills of the people (Hanushek and Woessmann 2015). In addition, our analysis indicates that the relevant economic skills are captured quite well by international student achievement tests in math and science.

The relationship between long-term growth and achievement is easiest to see in Chart 1. The skills of the population are measured by scores on international student assessments (for example, the Programme for International Student Assessment [PISA], the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study [TIMSS], and their predecessors). The plot shows growth in GDP per capita during 1960–2000 after filtering out variation as a result of each country’s starting income level (since it is easier to imitate technology developed elsewhere than to innovate).

Growth and achievement are closely linked: countries with high-achieving populations grew fast; those whose people lag in achievement hardly grew at all. Achievement explains three-quarters of the variation in growth rates across countries. Moreover, years of schooling have no bearing on growth after accounting for what has actually been learned.

Economic growth
The standard concern about such a picture is that it might not represent a causal relationship because other factors may be more important and are simply correlated with achievement. We have investigated other possible explanations in depth (Hanushek and Woessmann 2015), and—while it is impossible to remove all doubt—we show a credible case that lifting achievement has a powerful impact on growth. We find, for example, that achievement tests up to the early 1980s predict subsequent growth (which rules out simple reverse causation) and that greater spending (which may come from faster growth) does not consistently raise achievement. Furthermore, if we use only part of the achievement variation that emerged from good institutions of the school system, such as strong accountability measures or more school choice, we find the same link to faster growth, which rules out the notion that higher achievement simply captures omitted factors from outside the school system. And we find that countries with increased achievement over time have subsequently shown increased growth rates, thus dealing with potential omitted cultural or institutional factors.

The world picture of education
Tracking success in the area of education has historically been difficult. International achievement tests were first developed in the 1960s—and all rich countries are now participating regularly—but a majority of poor countries have never participated. A series of parallel regional tests have been developed, but they lack direct linkages to the broader-scale international assessments. And many countries, including the two most populace, have not produced student outcome data in a consistent manner.

In our most recent research, we bring the different international and regional assessments of student achievement together (Gust, Hanushek, and Woessmann, forthcoming). While some uncertainty remains, we characterize the world pattern of achievement and skills with sufficient accuracy to permit addressing the state of the world with respect to the SDGs.

We define basic skills as the skills necessary to participate productively in modern economies. Pragmatically, we assume these to be represented by mastering at least the lowest of the six skill levels of the international PISA test—that is, PISA Level 1 skills.

I couldn’t find what % of American 15-year-olds don’t score at at Level 1 on the PISA, but I did find that 19% of Americans don’t achieve Level 2 in reading and 27% come up short of Level 2 in math. “In the United States, 81% of students attained at least Level 2 proficiency in reading (OECD average: 77%). At a minimum, these students can identify the main idea in a text of moderate length, find information based on explicit, though sometimes complex criteria, and can reflect on the purpose and form of texts when explicitly directed to do so.” As I’ve often pointed out, America’s PISA results aren’t bad, but we spend a fortune to do slightly better than Europe.

So, it’s not unreasonable to imagine that in a better world, most countries could get a sizable majority of their students to at least Level 1, which is pretty minimal.

Students at this level are able to carry out obvious routine procedures according to direct instructions, but they cannot draw direct inferences or reliably employ basic conventions to solve simple problems involving whole numbers. Such basic skills are a key foundation not only for participating in modern societies, but also for engaging in lifelong learning as is necessary in an ever changing world.

The picture that emerges from our analysis is disturbing. Two-thirds or more of the world’s young people fail to reach the minimum skill levels required to compete in the international economy. These deficits are found worldwide, but are most severe in the poorest countries—as shown in Chart 2.

Lack of Skills
Six stylized facts summarize the development challenges presented by global deficits in basic skills:

At least two-thirds of the world’s youth do not obtain basic skills.
The share of young people who do not reach basic skills exceeds half in 101 countries and rises above 90 percent in 37 of these.
Even in high-income countries, a quarter of young people lack basic skills.
Skill deficits reach 94 percent in sub-Saharan Africa and 90 percent in south Asia, but they also hit 70 percent in Middle East and North Africa and 66 percent in Latin America.
While skill gaps are most apparent for the third of global youth not attending secondary school, fully 62 percent of the world’s secondary school students fail to reach basic skills.
Half of the world’s young people live in the 35 countries that do not participate in international testing, resulting in a lack of regular foundational performance information. …

We have calculated the economic value of erasing the learning deficits through actions to bring all youth up to basic skill levels (see table). …

The results are staggering. As the table indicates, the present value of added world GDP that would accrue over the remainder of the century is \$700 trillion, or five times current annual world GDP. …

ERIC A. HANUSHEK is senior fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University.

LUDGER WOESSMANN is professor of economics at the University of Munich and director of the ifo Center for the Economics of Education.

 
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  1. Apparently the Buffalo shooter’s manifesto has links to The Unz Review and VDare:

    • Replies: @Alden
    @anon

    Hmmm Great minds think alike.

  2. The \$700 Trillion Bill Lying on the Sidewalk

    The real one is to stop listening to neoliberal economists like the IMF. They gave Argentina another loan less than 20 years after ‘No more Argentinas’ became a mantra, there is by definition nobody with less credibility than the IMF.

    I keep seeing these reports or YouTube videos “What happened to Boeing?”, “Why is the middle class shrinking?” from places like CNBC and the Economist. It was you guys, they listened to the bullshit you were telling people was the answer to all their problems. They did what you told them to do.

    The pack of spivs who took over Boeing were theoretically the perfect businessmen per everything you’ve written and espoused for 40 years. The middle class got nuked from your policies of de-industrialisation, mass migration and neoliberal economics.

    • Replies: @Technite78
    @Altai

    The beatings will continue until the economy improves.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Altai


    The middle class got nuked from your policies of de-industrialisation, mass migration and neoliberal economics.
     
    We let the marketplace people take over.

    This is your nation on traders, lawyers, academics, bureaucrats.
  3. And many countries, including the two most populace, have not produced student outcome data in a consistent manner.

    The market for Grammarly may be larger than you think.

  4. Hanushek is actually a pretty sensible eduction economist (usually), but this argument is almost a caricature of an economist’s blinkered assertion about causality combined with McKinsey level hand waving about exactly how the proposed program is going to be accomplished.

  5. They are talking about Basic Skills i.e., Reading, Writing and Arithmetic, something that an average high school education should be able to accomplish. That doesn’t sound like an impossibly difficult problem to tackle. About the same degree of difficulty as eradicating Smallpox (done), Polio (almost done), Malaria, Tuberculosis or HIV (not done but looking hopeful).

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @personfellowindividual
    @epebble

    You're making the mistaken assumption that human beings have basically the same mental capacity, and that the shortage of human capital can be remedied with intensive teaching. Unfortunately for all of us, It Just Ain't True.

    Human intelligence is about 80% heritable, meaning it's genetic, coming from the mixture of your parents genes. So if both of your parents are smart, you are likely to be smart, and if your parents are stupid...

    You are born with all the intellectual potential you will ever have. Just like height, once you've grown up, that's it - You can't get smarter, and you can't get taller. We've spent untold billions of dollars, since 1965 (Head Start and Title I) trying to make blacks as smart as whites here in America. The results have been abysmally consistent. Education does not create more intelligence, and intelligence is, for the most part, what creates human capital. Lynn & Vanhanen have already demonstrated that there is a direct correlation between intelligence and a nation's wealth.

    TLDR: Dumb people can't be made into smart people, and dumb people are almost always poor. A nation can consist of dumb people who are genetically similar, so that nation will always be poor.

    Replies: @epebble

  6. Couldn’t the Dominican Republic raise its per capita to at least the rate of Spain with a few generations of embryo selection?

    And it wouldn’t necessarily be a case of people feeling like they are losing, since the core population is so well-mixed, and, since the population doesn’t have much of an identification with Amerinds or with blacks.

    And if they stopped at the level of Spain, then they wouldn’t all be Khan Noonien Singhs, so people would not need to fear them.

    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @songbird

    Where would they get the funds for embryo selection? Who would select the embryos ? How many embryos would parents create ? Would they be choosing the best two out of 10 ? What happens when the two embryos fail to grow? The failure rate for test tube babies exceeds 50%. Would they then create another 10 embryos or choose the next best embryo? parents may select for physical attributes like tallness over IQ. Most women selecting sperm rank the tallness and eye color of the donor higher than his IQ.

    Embryo selection would be similar, with mothers choosing the taller more handsome male embryos instead of an embryo with a slightly higher potential IQ. Embryo selection will never become common due to the costs in time and money to create the embryos and it is far easier and more fun to create babies the natural way. Only infertile couples spend the time and money to create test tube embryos for implantation because most people would not go thru the medical procedures required to create 10-20 embryos in order to select one that might have a slightly higher IQ.

    When selecting a girl embryo it would be better for you to select them based on attractiveness so your daughter would have a better chance of getting married to a wealthy male and having lots of grandchildren

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @songbird


    Couldn’t the Dominican Republic raise its per capita to at least the rate of Spain with a few generations of embryo selection?
     
    This is a country with an open Bible on its flag.


    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81q-3tMrTTL._AC_SL1500_.jpg


    On the other hand, flying the second-most Christian flag in the world hasn't stopped Denmark from engaging in weird and cruel practices such as sex changes and sperm export.

    https://mlbhgjfcmkvn.i.optimole.com/LT0BsL8.Dxtj~5da3/w:auto/h:auto/q:auto/https://onthisdayinworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Oldest-National-Flag-In-The-World-Dannebrog.jpg


    Plus, before Roe, Puerto Rico was the go-to spot for abortions.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @songbird

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @songbird

    In the Bible, God tends to give Himself all the best lines, and the funniest ones.

    The funniest exchange is in the Garden of Eden...

    ADAM: I heard You coming, and I was ashamed because I was naked, so I hid.
    GOD: Who told you that you were naked?

    Similarly, one might ask of the Third World: Who told you that you were poor?

    In absolute terms, there are far fewer places of utter misery and squalor on Earth than Sally Struthers would have you believe; just lots of people with less good stuff. "We must provide computers and internet service to inner Africa!" So they can do.... what, exactly? Those Guatemalans flooding the border aren't starving at all, actually they're morbidly obese, and dressed in cast-off Metallica t-shirts.

    The Dominican Republic is not "poor," it's just that they have found out that somewhere, somebody else has better stuff, and they want it too -- but aren't smart enough to make it themselves. But they have for instance intact extended family structures, a valuable thing which has evaporated among the people who have nicer stuff. It's kind of relative.

    Maybe the economists could create a program in global Envy Reduction.

    Replies: @songbird

  7. All We Have to Do Is Make All the Children in the World as Smart as Lake Wobegon’s Kids

    A famine will accomplish that if only the offspring of those who can read the writing on the wall survive.

    The results are staggering. As the table indicates, the present value of added world GDP that would accrue over the remainder of the century is \$700 trillion, or five times current annual world GDP. …

    Economists conveniently ignore the ongoing fossil fuel dilemma.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @James Speaks

    "Economists conveniently ignore the ongoing fossil fuel dilemma."

    The clotshots are solving that dilemma. You notice we never hear about vaxxines for the Moronic or BaaaahMeToo 🐑 variants? Yah, cuz they got that filthy shit in 85% of White veins already: Mission Accomplished.

    #PureBlood

  8. What. You don’t even have to write anything. You just c&p some dumb article we’ve heard a thousand times before.

    Man, that’s the way to do it.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @obwandiyag

    That's iSteve alright: Money for nothing and chicks for free.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAD6Obi7Cag

  9. I can’t wait for the sequel to this report… I’m sure Kendiites will argue that “if there is a skills gap between different parts of the world, it is either due to innate differences between groups or racism, and since positing innate differences among any groups is WRONGTHINK, you are racist! Colombia, Senegal, and Malaysia await your first installments now…”

  10. It is all completely logical. One lie begets another. Once you lie that all people have equal IQ, equal talent, equal self control and ambition, then this article follows. No surprise.

    We must go back to the source, the basic fundamental lie of egalitarianism, and the gag orders that don’t allow #TrueSpeech about #HateFacts such as race and sex differences.

    From there on, PC lies unravel.
    Honest sincere people believe the cited article, because the alternative explanation is not allowed

    Everything false can be derived from one false premise (f ⇒ f)
    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/

    Leave a Comment / Scientific Method / By admin
    Thus we must not allow a single false or dubious assumption to creep into media, into social sciences.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @SiNCERITY.net

    Exactimiento! The death penalty meted out to those who mention IQ differences has resulted in virtually all education scholarship being fraudulent.

    , @Seekers
    @SiNCERITY.net

    I find no justification for the argument that gaps in education, wealth, income and family formation are due to arbitrary "discrimination." Put simply, certain races are not up to the level of whites. The group inputs being less substantial, the gaps in group outcomes are inevitable.

    , @New Dealer
    @SiNCERITY.net

    I find that the blog commentariat, both left and right, does not properly distinguish moral equality (we are free individuals endowed with basic human rights) from Harrison-Bergeron-style totalitarian equality (forced to be equal in looks, intelligence, athletic ability, etc.). The duty to treat others as moral equals (among other minimal obligations, to refrain from force and fraud against them) is quite worthy and attractive, and should not be confused with obnoxious and childish disparatarianism.

    I attended a lecture by an economist who said that nothing should be distributed equally. I asked him whether the rights to conscience and free speech, assembly, and such should be unequally distributed. He conceded with embarrassment that, No, the basic human rights be equally distributed.

  11. Anonymous[723] • Disclaimer says:

    All We Have to Do Is Make All the Children in the World as Smart as Lake Wobegon’s Kids

    That is a project for genetics. CRISPR may be able to help. Although, it’s not just a question IQ because the Chinese already have that and don’t create western European societies. There are other genetic traits at work too.

  12. anon[364] • Disclaimer says:

    This reminded me of an old podcast that Hanushek did with Russ Roberts years ago. I see that the podcast, complete with comments section, is still online here:

    https://www.econtalk.org/hanushek-on-education-and-prosperity/

    In the podcast, Hanushek made an argument similar to the one that he makes in this new paper, except that he focused on the US. He argued that US scores are mediocre compared to those of other developed countries, and that, since these scores are correlated with economic performance, the US could boost its economic prosperity if it improved its scores.

    In the comments section, a bunch of people made Sailer-esque critiques of his argument. People even posted the US PISA scores disaggregated by race, undoubtedly taken from Steve’s work. Hanushek actually popped up in the comments and wrote a response that included the following:

    It is clearly true that family background has a huge impact on student achievement. This is one of the most well-established points of educational research. My remarks should not be interpreted as denying this. My perspective is simply that we have the population that we have, and we must educate this population. And on this score we have evidence that it is possible — some teachers and some schools have found ways to overcome the background deficiencies with which students come to school….

    In terms of racial differences, they exist and are large. To me, it is shameful that we as a society permit the existing gaps to continue. We do know that good schools can work for all children regardless of racial or ethnic background. Simply saying that these gaps “explain” our low scores denies both the data on school quality and (to me) the societal obligation to work to eliminate these gaps.

    In other words, Hanushek is totally aware of the race realist critique of his work, but he simply refuses to accept it. “We must educate this population”. And he just takes it for granted that if one group of people can perform at a certain level, then any other group can too. Hanushek is a “conservative”, employed at the Hoover Institution and appearing in places like the WSJ.

    • Thanks: SIMP simp, Calvin Hobbes
    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @anon


    My perspective is simply that we have the population that we have, and we must educate this population.
     
    This, of course, is wrong. The relevant population is the future population, and intelligent policies can improve the nature of that population.

    Replies: @res

    , @AnotherDad
    @anon


    Growth and achievement are closely linked: countries with high-achieving populations grew fast; those whose people lag in achievement hardly grew at all. Achievement explains three-quarters of the variation in growth rates across countries. Moreover, years of schooling have no bearing on growth after accounting for what has actually been learned.
     
    To me, this is actually a considerably better--more realistic--statement of reality than what we usually get.

    Note the last sentence. These guys aren't just saying "need more education and everything will be fine". There's this reality check that schooling as schooling has no value. That what matters is actual skills.

    I don't think "skills" are the only thing that matters. But they do matter tremendously. Given with the same genetic "ammunition", getting your people literate and numerate and with lots of training in understanding and analyzing it extremely helpful. And this still has not been done adequately in many areas of the world. Many countries do not do a very good job developing the raw human capital they have. Including the giga-country--and soon world's most populous country--India.

    The obvious "left unsaid" bit is exactly what is it that creates this dichotomy, between "years schooling" and "achievement". I think we know the core of the answer.

    That's where I would most differ from Hanushek.

    1) He thinks we know approaches that can work. I'm dubious. I think the only "approach" we have that will help is educational choice--vouchers--to get students "out from under" the public school system and let parents/teachers try and find approaches that work for various sorts of kids. Along with--my hobby horse--competency exams for credentialing so students both have a goal and can take any approach (at any price) that works for them. And not be locked into "college" or even high school.

    2) Hanushek is too cavalier about genetics.

    My perspective is simply that we have the population that we have, and we must educate this population.
     
    I agree we must educate the population we have, but with realism that there is no magic bullet. Nothing pushes the rock that far up hill. So we must also be extremely mindful of genetics and seek to uplift our population with eugenic fertility. Otherwise, you have taken on a sisyphean task and are doomed to eventual national decline.

    Replies: @res

  13. ‘…Six stylized facts summarize…’

    Stylized facts?

    I really can skip reading the piece, can’t I?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Colin Wright

    "Stylized facts" is something economists say. It means, "stuff a lot of people have observed and is likely true, but has yet to be confirmed in a careful and thorough way".

  14. O/T, but I’m sure iSteve will have more posts on this story. In the comment thread on the Buffalo mass murder, Dr. X and a few other commenters suspect Fed involvement for many possible (and likely) political ends. Let me make a point in support of that.

    From the excerpts I read and my trusting of the accounts of commenters who have looked into these White mass killers, one could say that these are all reasonably bright guys, right? Then how come Dylann Roof murdered black churchgoers* in Charleston, SC, this Buffalo guy some innocent people at the grocery store, that guy in Pittsburg 11 synagogue-goers, etc, yet NONE of them made any effort to kill anyone who is actually evil and the cause of their problems, as per their manifestoes and what-have-you?

    I know, they haven’t been following politics for 30-50 years like the MEN ‘o UNZ have and analyzing the real evil behind our societal destruction. They seem bright enough to have a clue though, and it’s not like getting at one of the real culprits is so difficult (especially if you are not planning on getting away).

    Is it that whoever had been behind the scenes planning these killings or at least encouraging these mentally unstable men wants the political fallout but not anyone important to get hurt?

    .

    * If it were one of those black “Reverends” that instigate racial trouble, that’d be more understandable.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico, Paul Mendez
    • Troll: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Achmed E. Newman


    yet NONE of them made any effort to kill anyone who is actually evil and the cause of their problems
     
    You seem to be assuming that these were rational people. At minimum, you seem to be projecting yourself into these deranged, murderous actions (“If I were to go postal, I’d kill the bastards who really wrecked my country…”). But you are not a crazy, homicidal person, are you?

    Replies: @mc23, @aNewBanner, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Mark G.
    @Achmed E. Newman


    They seem bright enough to have a clue though, and it’s not like getting at one of the real culprits is so difficult (especially if you are not planning on getting away).
     
    People who engage in these mass shootings tend to think in terms of groups with some groups being evil and some good. Someone who sees people as individuals first and a member of a group second would not target someone just on the basis of race, religion or some other group identity as these mass shooters seem to do.

    You'll notice when you read about these guys they are never libertarian Ron Paul fanboys who quote Rand, Rothbard, Mises, Friedman and Hayek in their manifestos. This is not a coincidence. Libertarians see people as individuals first and would never initiate force against someone where they don't know their background on the basis that they belong to a certain group.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @Barnard
    @Achmed E. Newman

    As I recall the Pittsburgh shooter specifically targeted that synagogue because they were very active in refugee resettlement. As to why he didn't target the leadership instead of the lay member of the congregation I can't say.

    , @dearieme
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My first reaction was "Why on earth murder a bunch of harmless black people out doing their weekly shop when you go into the ghetto and kill lots of murderous young hoodlums?"

    There are other, comparable, mysteries in life. For example there are lots of men told every year "you have terminal cancer and have less than a year to live". But astonishingly they don't seem to do society a favour by going out to kill some of the ruling criminal class. Why not?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Adam Smith
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Good afternoon, Mr. Newman,

    I watched the video of the cops interrogating Dylann Roof. (I was pleasantly surprised how professional the two detectives were in this video.) From the way he presented himself in that video, I would not describe Dylann Roof as "reasonably bright". Rather below average would be more fitting. Borderline retarded even.

    I read some of Payton Gendron's manifesto. It's odd. The photo of him in the manifesto does not match the other pictures I have seen. The writing itself makes him seem like he's a caricature of a stereotypical white supremacist in a cheap hollywood movie. I'm not sure it's real.

    I too suspect the Buffalo shooting is a somewhat synthetic event designed to further a political aganda.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Sollipsist
    @Achmed E. Newman

    1. The more intelligent you are, the more likely you are to be effective in achieving your goals. Whatever they are...

    2. Progress and relative affluence increase the general level of intelligence in the population (via education, nutrition, stability, etc)

    3. Accelerated change inevitably increases various stresses that exacerbate mental illness (faster pace, conflicting demands, upended values, overwhelming input via media and population density, etc etc)

    Therefore, by devoting ourselves to education and progress, we are actively creating more and better random killers.

    I would add without certainty that the bulk of those killers will, at least for the time being, be white... simply because not only do whites have a generally higher average level of intelligence, but white culture is far more outwardly focused. In other words, ignorant and crazy non-whites are more likely to kill each other, and intelligent and crazy non-whites are more likely to kill themselves (although this is equalizing quickly) for the same basic psychological or cultural reason that whites are more likely to want to HELP non-whites.

    Outward hostility may actually be a predictable by-product of outward altruism. Charity begins at home.

  15. anonymous[193] • Disclaimer says:

    If China actually paid attention to the nutrition problems among its poor children, it would probably generate \$700 trillion in economic return.

  16. @Achmed E. Newman
    O/T, but I'm sure iSteve will have more posts on this story. In the comment thread on the Buffalo mass murder, Dr. X and a few other commenters suspect Fed involvement for many possible (and likely) political ends. Let me make a point in support of that.

    From the excerpts I read and my trusting of the accounts of commenters who have looked into these White mass killers, one could say that these are all reasonably bright guys, right? Then how come Dylann Roof murdered black churchgoers* in Charleston, SC, this Buffalo guy some innocent people at the grocery store, that guy in Pittsburg 11 synagogue-goers, etc, yet NONE of them made any effort to kill anyone who is actually evil and the cause of their problems, as per their manifestoes and what-have-you?

    I know, they haven't been following politics for 30-50 years like the MEN 'o UNZ have and analyzing the real evil behind our societal destruction. They seem bright enough to have a clue though, and it's not like getting at one of the real culprits is so difficult (especially if you are not planning on getting away).

    Is it that whoever had been behind the scenes planning these killings or at least encouraging these mentally unstable men wants the political fallout but not anyone important to get hurt?

    .

    * If it were one of those black "Reverends" that instigate racial trouble, that'd be more understandable.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Mark G., @Barnard, @dearieme, @Adam Smith, @Sollipsist

    yet NONE of them made any effort to kill anyone who is actually evil and the cause of their problems

    You seem to be assuming that these were rational people. At minimum, you seem to be projecting yourself into these deranged, murderous actions (“If I were to go postal, I’d kill the bastards who really wrecked my country…”). But you are not a crazy, homicidal person, are you?

    • Replies: @mc23
    @Twinkie


    You seem to be assuming that these were rational people. At minimum, you seem to be projecting yourself into these deranged, murderous actions (“If I were to go postal, I’d kill the bastards who really wrecked my country…”). But you are not a crazy, homicidal person, are you?
     
    That's a reasonable assumption, killing black grocery shoppers is an act of despair. Going to Washington D.C. and shooting up a Yuppie coffee shop would be far more revolutionary but still an act of despair.

    Violent revolutionary acts in our surveillance society will turn into nothing more than kamikaze attacks and about as effective. Reasonable people can intuit this and don't throw themselves or their families on a funeral pyre.

    , @aNewBanner
    @Twinkie

    Like most spree shooters, this guy has the mental acuity of Homer Simpson trying to promote a bowling alley:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2BT7_owW2sU

    He probably just copied and pasted, without attribution, a bunch of stuff from the internet that sounded intelligent to him. (The “manifesto” of the shooter in Sweden involved endless Fjordman essays.)

    I don’t care what he thought. Digging into the writings of a manic for political points is morbid. It’s reprehensible when the Left does it, and it’s reprehensible when the Right does it. It serves no purpose other than to run up the ledger of crimes that one side uses to condemn the other. If you’re lucky, that ledger is thrown into the abyss. If you’re not lucky, then you’re in a scenario like the Eastern Front of WWII that had Soviet forces literally carrying around such ledgers and inflicting horror for horror on the Germans.

    Let his name be damnatio memoriae, and let that be the end of it.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Twinkie

    No, I'm not, Twinkie. You are right that's it's hard to put one's self into the mindset of someone like this.

  17. The \$700 Trillion Bill Lying on the Sidewalk

    The authors seem to be suggesting the scale of the problem is immense. I don’t see where they assert that easy solutions are “lying on the sidewalk.”

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Twinkie


    The authors seem to be suggesting the scale of the problem is immense. I don’t see where they assert that easy solutions are “lying on the sidewalk.”
     
    The authors presume that methods exist which are known to raise educational attainment to the desired standard, and that "all we have to do" is employ those methods and presto, that $700 trill is ours.

    The sober reality is that, after fifty long years of trying everything under the sun, we really don't know how to make naturally stupid people much smarter. (Although, we have succeeded brilliantly in making naturally smart people exceedingly stupid.)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Twinkie


    The authors seem to be suggesting the scale of the problem is immense. I don’t see where they assert that easy solutions are “lying on the sidewalk.”
     
    Be thankful they're not laying on the sidewalk.



    https://youtu.be/t1gngakVRNw
  18. mc23 says:
    @Twinkie
    @Achmed E. Newman


    yet NONE of them made any effort to kill anyone who is actually evil and the cause of their problems
     
    You seem to be assuming that these were rational people. At minimum, you seem to be projecting yourself into these deranged, murderous actions (“If I were to go postal, I’d kill the bastards who really wrecked my country…”). But you are not a crazy, homicidal person, are you?

    Replies: @mc23, @aNewBanner, @Achmed E. Newman

    You seem to be assuming that these were rational people. At minimum, you seem to be projecting yourself into these deranged, murderous actions (“If I were to go postal, I’d kill the bastards who really wrecked my country…”). But you are not a crazy, homicidal person, are you?

    That’s a reasonable assumption, killing black grocery shoppers is an act of despair. Going to Washington D.C. and shooting up a Yuppie coffee shop would be far more revolutionary but still an act of despair.

    Violent revolutionary acts in our surveillance society will turn into nothing more than kamikaze attacks and about as effective. Reasonable people can intuit this and don’t throw themselves or their families on a funeral pyre.

  19. Not to be a jerk but as the saying goes, the world needs ditch diggers, too. Although it’s a cute intellectual exercise, there isn’t a demand or need for a massive leveling up of all the worlds children to some ideal minimum skill level even if that were possible.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Arclight

    The world needs ditch digging. And they do dig most of the ditches in high-wage countries.

    , @personfellowindividual
    @Arclight

    We don't employ low intelligence people to dig ditches anymore. We employ machine operators to dig ditches with backhoes now. The jobs that people with no intelligence or skills used to do 50 years ago are virtually all gone to machines or third-world laborers who are smarter and more capable, but at the same time, willing to take lower wages.

    My theory is that all the dumb white people who had jobs like that are now busily killing themselves with Meth and Fentanyl because nobody wants them or needs them. If you've ever lived in the rural parts of America, you can see it yourself. There are zombified tweakers and addicts all over the place out there.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @AceDeuce

  20. Nothing is so cringeworthy as seeing highly-educated (and presumably well-paid) people expose their profound ignorance of critical truths about the world, such as the largely unchangeable levels and distribution of intelligence.

    Jordan Peterson pointed out the pair of fallacies about poverty that are widely held (I quote from memory):
    – Conservative: “People wouldn’t be poor if they just worked harder.”
    – Progressive: “People wouldn’t be poor if the system wasn’t rigged against them.”

    To that pair we now need to add another fallacy:
    – Ignorant economist: “People wouldn’t be poor if only they got sufficient education.”

    • Replies: @anyone with a brain
    @Richard of Melbourne

    I don't interpret this article as saying that education is the cure to poverty. The point I see that is more subtle is stupidity cost 700 trillion dollars.

    with that I agree, stupid people are a tremendous drag on the economy, they are not the only drags either, in no meritocratic world would the Bidens and Clintons be worth millions of dollars.

    As to the comment above yours about the world needing ditch diggers. You would be surprised how stupid people can even fuck that up. Stupid people will fail even the most basic of tasks and need constant supervision by the less stupid, thus dragging down the world of human activity with their incompetence. The stupid also do not innovate new better methods to do their work and if anything resist new methods due to the relation between low brain power and increased mental inertia.

    Even the lower end of skilled work requires brains and benefits greatly from it.

    want to run a successful business? do not hire stupid people for any role. Inexperienced but with ability to learn and intelligence is way better than "experienced" with a fossilised intellect that was sclerotic when fresh eons ago.

  21. @Twinkie
    @Achmed E. Newman


    yet NONE of them made any effort to kill anyone who is actually evil and the cause of their problems
     
    You seem to be assuming that these were rational people. At minimum, you seem to be projecting yourself into these deranged, murderous actions (“If I were to go postal, I’d kill the bastards who really wrecked my country…”). But you are not a crazy, homicidal person, are you?

    Replies: @mc23, @aNewBanner, @Achmed E. Newman

    Like most spree shooters, this guy has the mental acuity of Homer Simpson trying to promote a bowling alley:

    He probably just copied and pasted, without attribution, a bunch of stuff from the internet that sounded intelligent to him. (The “manifesto” of the shooter in Sweden involved endless Fjordman essays.)

    I don’t care what he thought. Digging into the writings of a manic for political points is morbid. It’s reprehensible when the Left does it, and it’s reprehensible when the Right does it. It serves no purpose other than to run up the ledger of crimes that one side uses to condemn the other. If you’re lucky, that ledger is thrown into the abyss. If you’re not lucky, then you’re in a scenario like the Eastern Front of WWII that had Soviet forces literally carrying around such ledgers and inflicting horror for horror on the Germans.

    Let his name be damnatio memoriae, and let that be the end of it.

    • Agree: Twinkie, Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @aNewBanner


    I don’t care what he thought. Digging into the writings of a manic for political points is morbid. It’s reprehensible when the Left does it, and it’s reprehensible when the Right does it. It serves no purpose other than to run up the ledger of crimes that one side uses to condemn the other.
     
    I hope you are not of the opinion that digging into the writings of a maniac for political points is tantamount to digging into the writings of a maniac in an attempt to discover what has made him a maniac.

    Is the motivation for this sort of crime hard-coded into genetics? Or is it largely due to environment? Is this a "good kid" who went off the rails once, but in a striking and dramatic way? Or a bad kid who showed the signs of being so all along, but was able to do what he did because no one took him seriously until it was too late?

    I do not like this kid, nor do I understand why he did what he did, but I do understand that if society continues to turn a blind eye to the conditions that create people like him, we are going to get more of them.

    (Perhaps that has been the idea all along? Mass shootings do tend to play into the hands of the welfare/warfare state.)

    Can society prevent similar mass murders from happening in the future? I do not know, but I do know we will not get anywhere if we treat what these people have to say for themselves as beneath contempt and dismiss it out of hand before we even take a look at it.

    I understand what this man did was reprehensible. I do not think asking ourselves why he did it is reprehensible.

    Replies: @lavoisier

  22. @Altai

    The $700 Trillion Bill Lying on the Sidewalk
     
    The real one is to stop listening to neoliberal economists like the IMF. They gave Argentina another loan less than 20 years after 'No more Argentinas' became a mantra, there is by definition nobody with less credibility than the IMF.

    I keep seeing these reports or YouTube videos "What happened to Boeing?", "Why is the middle class shrinking?" from places like CNBC and the Economist. It was you guys, they listened to the bullshit you were telling people was the answer to all their problems. They did what you told them to do.

    The pack of spivs who took over Boeing were theoretically the perfect businessmen per everything you've written and espoused for 40 years. The middle class got nuked from your policies of de-industrialisation, mass migration and neoliberal economics.

    Replies: @Technite78, @AnotherDad

    The beatings will continue until the economy improves.

  23. @Richard of Melbourne
    Nothing is so cringeworthy as seeing highly-educated (and presumably well-paid) people expose their profound ignorance of critical truths about the world, such as the largely unchangeable levels and distribution of intelligence.

    Jordan Peterson pointed out the pair of fallacies about poverty that are widely held (I quote from memory):
    - Conservative: "People wouldn't be poor if they just worked harder."
    - Progressive: "People wouldn't be poor if the system wasn't rigged against them."

    To that pair we now need to add another fallacy:
    - Ignorant economist: "People wouldn't be poor if only they got sufficient education."

    Replies: @anyone with a brain

    I don’t interpret this article as saying that education is the cure to poverty. The point I see that is more subtle is stupidity cost 700 trillion dollars.

    with that I agree, stupid people are a tremendous drag on the economy, they are not the only drags either, in no meritocratic world would the Bidens and Clintons be worth millions of dollars.

    As to the comment above yours about the world needing ditch diggers. You would be surprised how stupid people can even fuck that up. Stupid people will fail even the most basic of tasks and need constant supervision by the less stupid, thus dragging down the world of human activity with their incompetence. The stupid also do not innovate new better methods to do their work and if anything resist new methods due to the relation between low brain power and increased mental inertia.

    Even the lower end of skilled work requires brains and benefits greatly from it.

    want to run a successful business? do not hire stupid people for any role. Inexperienced but with ability to learn and intelligence is way better than “experienced” with a fossilised intellect that was sclerotic when fresh eons ago.

  24. @songbird
    Couldn't the Dominican Republic raise its per capita to at least the rate of Spain with a few generations of embryo selection?

    And it wouldn't necessarily be a case of people feeling like they are losing, since the core population is so well-mixed, and, since the population doesn't have much of an identification with Amerinds or with blacks.

    And if they stopped at the level of Spain, then they wouldn't all be Khan Noonien Singhs, so people would not need to fear them.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Where would they get the funds for embryo selection? Who would select the embryos ? How many embryos would parents create ? Would they be choosing the best two out of 10 ? What happens when the two embryos fail to grow? The failure rate for test tube babies exceeds 50%. Would they then create another 10 embryos or choose the next best embryo? parents may select for physical attributes like tallness over IQ. Most women selecting sperm rank the tallness and eye color of the donor higher than his IQ.

    Embryo selection would be similar, with mothers choosing the taller more handsome male embryos instead of an embryo with a slightly higher potential IQ. Embryo selection will never become common due to the costs in time and money to create the embryos and it is far easier and more fun to create babies the natural way. Only infertile couples spend the time and money to create test tube embryos for implantation because most people would not go thru the medical procedures required to create 10-20 embryos in order to select one that might have a slightly higher IQ.

    When selecting a girl embryo it would be better for you to select them based on attractiveness so your daughter would have a better chance of getting married to a wealthy male and having lots of grandchildren

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco


    Where would they get the funds for embryo selection?
     
    There should be a government subsidy for couples who choose a selective method of procreation, since its results are likely to be eugenic. It doesn't matter that there are no guarantees that any selected embryo will be superior to what that couple may have naturally produced; it only matters that, on average across all couples, the likelihood is greater. Of course, any mention of the dreaded the e-word should be avoided, but eugenics would be indeed be the ultimate rationale.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

  25. @SiNCERITY.net
    It is all completely logical. One lie begets another. Once you lie that all people have equal IQ, equal talent, equal self control and ambition, then this article follows. No surprise.

    We must go back to the source, the basic fundamental lie of egalitarianism, and the gag orders that don't allow #TrueSpeech about #HateFacts such as race and sex differences.

    From there on, PC lies unravel.
    Honest sincere people believe the cited article, because the alternative explanation is not allowed

    Everything false can be derived from one false premise (f ⇒ f)
    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/

    Leave a Comment / Scientific Method / By admin
    Thus we must not allow a single false or dubious assumption to creep into media, into social sciences.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Seekers, @New Dealer

    Exactimiento! The death penalty meted out to those who mention IQ differences has resulted in virtually all education scholarship being fraudulent.

  26. @Arclight
    Not to be a jerk but as the saying goes, the world needs ditch diggers, too. Although it's a cute intellectual exercise, there isn't a demand or need for a massive leveling up of all the worlds children to some ideal minimum skill level even if that were possible.

    Replies: @International Jew, @personfellowindividual

    The world needs ditch digging. And they do dig most of the ditches in high-wage countries.

  27. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @songbird

    Where would they get the funds for embryo selection? Who would select the embryos ? How many embryos would parents create ? Would they be choosing the best two out of 10 ? What happens when the two embryos fail to grow? The failure rate for test tube babies exceeds 50%. Would they then create another 10 embryos or choose the next best embryo? parents may select for physical attributes like tallness over IQ. Most women selecting sperm rank the tallness and eye color of the donor higher than his IQ.

    Embryo selection would be similar, with mothers choosing the taller more handsome male embryos instead of an embryo with a slightly higher potential IQ. Embryo selection will never become common due to the costs in time and money to create the embryos and it is far easier and more fun to create babies the natural way. Only infertile couples spend the time and money to create test tube embryos for implantation because most people would not go thru the medical procedures required to create 10-20 embryos in order to select one that might have a slightly higher IQ.

    When selecting a girl embryo it would be better for you to select them based on attractiveness so your daughter would have a better chance of getting married to a wealthy male and having lots of grandchildren

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Where would they get the funds for embryo selection?

    There should be a government subsidy for couples who choose a selective method of procreation, since its results are likely to be eugenic. It doesn’t matter that there are no guarantees that any selected embryo will be superior to what that couple may have naturally produced; it only matters that, on average across all couples, the likelihood is greater. Of course, any mention of the dreaded the e-word should be avoided, but eugenics would be indeed be the ultimate rationale.

    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @silviosilver

    Even if embryo selection was subsidized, very few women would go thru the invasive process required to obtain the eggs if they could get pregnant the natural way....also the failure rate for IVF is about 60%, so they would need to go thru another egg extraction procedure to obtain another 10 embryos and again select the best of the 10....most of the uneducated low IQ females get impregnated while not married, often without the man wanting a child....so getting IVF is not likely to be an option with their boyfriend not willing to agree to it, since they are not seeking to be a father. A significant number of the women end up pregnant by accident, and having below average IQs that are not going to have the planning ability or a partner to assist them in getting IVF even if they were willing to go thru the procedure required, even if it were free.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  28. Eric Hanushek is a good guy. Earlier in his career he showed that pouring money into (US) schools did little to nothing for educational outcomes.

  29. @Colin Wright
    '...Six stylized facts summarize...'

    Stylized facts?

    I really can skip reading the piece, can't I?

    Replies: @International Jew

    “Stylized facts” is something economists say. It means, “stuff a lot of people have observed and is likely true, but has yet to be confirmed in a careful and thorough way”.

  30. @Twinkie

    The $700 Trillion Bill Lying on the Sidewalk
     
    The authors seem to be suggesting the scale of the problem is immense. I don’t see where they assert that easy solutions are “lying on the sidewalk.”

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Reg Cæsar

    The authors seem to be suggesting the scale of the problem is immense. I don’t see where they assert that easy solutions are “lying on the sidewalk.”

    The authors presume that methods exist which are known to raise educational attainment to the desired standard, and that “all we have to do” is employ those methods and presto, that \$700 trill is ours.

    The sober reality is that, after fifty long years of trying everything under the sun, we really don’t know how to make naturally stupid people much smarter. (Although, we have succeeded brilliantly in making naturally smart people exceedingly stupid.)

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @silviosilver


    The authors presume
     
    Where?

    Replies: @silviosilver

  31. @Twinkie

    The $700 Trillion Bill Lying on the Sidewalk
     
    The authors seem to be suggesting the scale of the problem is immense. I don’t see where they assert that easy solutions are “lying on the sidewalk.”

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Reg Cæsar

    The authors seem to be suggesting the scale of the problem is immense. I don’t see where they assert that easy solutions are “lying on the sidewalk.”

    Be thankful they’re not laying on the sidewalk.

  32. @songbird
    Couldn't the Dominican Republic raise its per capita to at least the rate of Spain with a few generations of embryo selection?

    And it wouldn't necessarily be a case of people feeling like they are losing, since the core population is so well-mixed, and, since the population doesn't have much of an identification with Amerinds or with blacks.

    And if they stopped at the level of Spain, then they wouldn't all be Khan Noonien Singhs, so people would not need to fear them.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Couldn’t the Dominican Republic raise its per capita to at least the rate of Spain with a few generations of embryo selection?

    This is a country with an open Bible on its flag.

    On the other hand, flying the second-most Christian flag in the world hasn’t stopped Denmark from engaging in weird and cruel practices such as sex changes and sperm export.

    Plus, before Roe, Puerto Rico was the go-to spot for abortions.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    Never mind the sperm exports, or even Puerto Rico 'before Roe'.

    - The Danes do love a bit of cod's roe.

    , @songbird
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hadn't realized that there was another country in the world with a book on its flag, other than Mozambique.

  33. @epebble
    They are talking about Basic Skills i.e., Reading, Writing and Arithmetic, something that an average high school education should be able to accomplish. That doesn't sound like an impossibly difficult problem to tackle. About the same degree of difficulty as eradicating Smallpox (done), Polio (almost done), Malaria, Tuberculosis or HIV (not done but looking hopeful).

    Replies: @personfellowindividual

    You’re making the mistaken assumption that human beings have basically the same mental capacity, and that the shortage of human capital can be remedied with intensive teaching. Unfortunately for all of us, It Just Ain’t True.

    Human intelligence is about 80% heritable, meaning it’s genetic, coming from the mixture of your parents genes. So if both of your parents are smart, you are likely to be smart, and if your parents are stupid…

    You are born with all the intellectual potential you will ever have. Just like height, once you’ve grown up, that’s it – You can’t get smarter, and you can’t get taller. We’ve spent untold billions of dollars, since 1965 (Head Start and Title I) trying to make blacks as smart as whites here in America. The results have been abysmally consistent. Education does not create more intelligence, and intelligence is, for the most part, what creates human capital. Lynn & Vanhanen have already demonstrated that there is a direct correlation between intelligence and a nation’s wealth.

    TLDR: Dumb people can’t be made into smart people, and dumb people are almost always poor. A nation can consist of dumb people who are genetically similar, so that nation will always be poor.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @personfellowindividual

    Agree with most of what you say, but they are talking about Basic Skills. This is not harvesting Apples and Oranges, but Strawberries and Tomatoes. No need for ladders or fruit pickers, just bend down and pick with hand!

    There are a couple of billion cell phone users who seem perfectly capable of reading text, figuring when to press (glass) buttons, when to scroll and even type weirdly composed text. The authors are saying we can do it with the rest of humanity. This isn't no Cosmology or Quantum Mechanics - where, I agree, may be 0.1% or 0.01% may understand the subtilities.

  34. @Arclight
    Not to be a jerk but as the saying goes, the world needs ditch diggers, too. Although it's a cute intellectual exercise, there isn't a demand or need for a massive leveling up of all the worlds children to some ideal minimum skill level even if that were possible.

    Replies: @International Jew, @personfellowindividual

    We don’t employ low intelligence people to dig ditches anymore. We employ machine operators to dig ditches with backhoes now. The jobs that people with no intelligence or skills used to do 50 years ago are virtually all gone to machines or third-world laborers who are smarter and more capable, but at the same time, willing to take lower wages.

    My theory is that all the dumb white people who had jobs like that are now busily killing themselves with Meth and Fentanyl because nobody wants them or needs them. If you’ve ever lived in the rural parts of America, you can see it yourself. There are zombified tweakers and addicts all over the place out there.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @personfellowindividual

    '...My theory is that all the dumb white people who had jobs like that are now busily killing themselves with Meth and Fentanyl because nobody wants them or needs them. If you’ve ever lived in the rural parts of America, you can see it yourself. There are zombified tweakers and addicts all over the place out there...'

    Yeah -- but we could ameliorate this problem, if not solve it completely.

    For example, around here there's lot less work in the lumber mills than there used to be...and we've taken to simply exporting logs unfinished to the Far East. They'd rather provide work for their mill hands than for ours...

    So what if we jiggered our export regulations so unfinished logs cost enough to make it more profitable to buy the wood as finished lumber? Work for all those white people.

    Why let in immigrants to do gardening? Lots of whites will do it. Agricultural labor, etc.

    Bring in laws favoring small businesses. Lower taxes for income from the first brick 'n mortar site. Just tell Amazon they can't sell clothes. Go to Japan some time: the whole country is small businesses and small farms that have to be getting a helpful thumb on the scale somehow.

    Partly it's evolving technology -- but partly, it's also not giving a shit. We could make decent jobs for a lot more people than we do.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @AceDeuce
    @personfellowindividual


    My theory is that all the dumb white people who had jobs like that are now busily killing themselves with Meth and Fentanyl because nobody wants them or needs them. If you’ve ever lived in the rural parts of America, you can see it yourself. There are zombified tweakers and addicts all over the place out there.
     
    A majority of those people you so casually denigrate are probably as smart, if not smarter, than you. Many of them have, over the past half century, adopted negro cultural norms to go with the often unfortunate circumstances they were born into-specifically, a government that has taken turns injuring and neglecting them and their homelands.
  35. That article is a great example of an IMF propaganda red-herring of misdirection.

    So a billion kids work hard and become highly skilled at doing mental tasks – where are they going to work?

    There are already many people with strong mental skills, who can’t find a job using those skills, because the jobs previously requiring those skills were eliminated by automation.

    Automation is not a good long-term bet for humans because its quickly using up rare nonrenewable resources. People supporting automation are basically looters.

    Humans are a renewable resource, the food we eat is a renewable resource (if grown sustainably), the wood homes we live in are a sustainable resource. However, looters can’t make a killing off an economic model based on renewable resources.

    The sooner non-elites of all races band together and start demanding decent jobs, which pay a livable wage, the better its going to go for us.

    If China can gainfully employ even the less intelligent people, then why can’t the US do this?

    Why aren’t there mobs in the streets in the US, chanting Jobs, Jobs, Jobs?

  36. Woessmann and, in the next article, a Loevy; what language is turning those i’s into o’s?

  37. For a lot of the world’s people, learning to read and write seems pointless as everyone around them is engaged in work that doesn’t require such skills.

    Elsewhere, the problem is that the national written language is very hard to learn. If you’re Cantonese, learning to read the official Chinese (hard enough even for Mandarin speakers) pretty much requires that you also learn to speak Mandarin Chinese — an altogether foreign language to you.

    Another example (affecting a couple hundred million people): the written form of Arabic is an archaic dialect that’s no one’s native language, and is as different from the spoken forms (there are many) as Latin is different from Italian or French. To become literate, Arabs need to learn not just an alphabet and a set of spelling rules, but a new language altogether.

    • Thanks: Paul Mendez
  38. @songbird
    Couldn't the Dominican Republic raise its per capita to at least the rate of Spain with a few generations of embryo selection?

    And it wouldn't necessarily be a case of people feeling like they are losing, since the core population is so well-mixed, and, since the population doesn't have much of an identification with Amerinds or with blacks.

    And if they stopped at the level of Spain, then they wouldn't all be Khan Noonien Singhs, so people would not need to fear them.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco, @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    In the Bible, God tends to give Himself all the best lines, and the funniest ones.

    The funniest exchange is in the Garden of Eden…

    ADAM: I heard You coming, and I was ashamed because I was naked, so I hid.
    GOD: Who told you that you were naked?

    Similarly, one might ask of the Third World: Who told you that you were poor?

    In absolute terms, there are far fewer places of utter misery and squalor on Earth than Sally Struthers would have you believe; just lots of people with less good stuff. “We must provide computers and internet service to inner Africa!” So they can do…. what, exactly? Those Guatemalans flooding the border aren’t starving at all, actually they’re morbidly obese, and dressed in cast-off Metallica t-shirts.

    The Dominican Republic is not “poor,” it’s just that they have found out that somewhere, somebody else has better stuff, and they want it too — but aren’t smart enough to make it themselves. But they have for instance intact extended family structures, a valuable thing which has evaporated among the people who have nicer stuff. It’s kind of relative.

    Maybe the economists could create a program in global Envy Reduction.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    No joking, I once watched a few commercials on a station catering to Dominicans, and I was kind of envious of them because it was obvious that none of it was subversive. Traditional values were given a higher place. Paterfamilias. A boy wanting to be a fireman to rescue people.

    But I think you raise a good point. Maybe, there should be policies to try to create some Great Firewall, to prevent this envy.

  39. @silviosilver
    @Twinkie


    The authors seem to be suggesting the scale of the problem is immense. I don’t see where they assert that easy solutions are “lying on the sidewalk.”
     
    The authors presume that methods exist which are known to raise educational attainment to the desired standard, and that "all we have to do" is employ those methods and presto, that $700 trill is ours.

    The sober reality is that, after fifty long years of trying everything under the sun, we really don't know how to make naturally stupid people much smarter. (Although, we have succeeded brilliantly in making naturally smart people exceedingly stupid.)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The authors presume

    Where?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Twinkie


    Where?
     
    Right here: We have calculated the economic value of erasing the learning deficits through actions to bring all youth up to basic skill levels (see table). …

    Actions which, as I said, are presumably known to achieve the desired effect.

    But perhaps you're right. Perhaps they don't presume it, and this was just a dreamy thought experiment. "Sigh, wouldn't it be wonderful if we could employ a set of actions known to bring all youth up to basic skill levels? Alas..."

    Replies: @Twinkie

  40. @Twinkie
    @silviosilver


    The authors presume
     
    Where?

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Where?

    Right here: We have calculated the economic value of erasing the learning deficits through actions to bring all youth up to basic skill levels (see table). …

    Actions which, as I said, are presumably known to achieve the desired effect.

    But perhaps you’re right. Perhaps they don’t presume it, and this was just a dreamy thought experiment. “Sigh, wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could employ a set of actions known to bring all youth up to basic skill levels? Alas…”

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @silviosilver

    It seems to me the authors are tabulating the overall cost of the skill deficit far more than they are advocating that such deficits would be easy to reduce. So not something "lying on the sidewalk."

  41. @anon
    This reminded me of an old podcast that Hanushek did with Russ Roberts years ago. I see that the podcast, complete with comments section, is still online here:

    https://www.econtalk.org/hanushek-on-education-and-prosperity/

    In the podcast, Hanushek made an argument similar to the one that he makes in this new paper, except that he focused on the US. He argued that US scores are mediocre compared to those of other developed countries, and that, since these scores are correlated with economic performance, the US could boost its economic prosperity if it improved its scores.

    In the comments section, a bunch of people made Sailer-esque critiques of his argument. People even posted the US PISA scores disaggregated by race, undoubtedly taken from Steve's work. Hanushek actually popped up in the comments and wrote a response that included the following:


    It is clearly true that family background has a huge impact on student achievement. This is one of the most well-established points of educational research. My remarks should not be interpreted as denying this. My perspective is simply that we have the population that we have, and we must educate this population. And on this score we have evidence that it is possible — some teachers and some schools have found ways to overcome the background deficiencies with which students come to school....

    In terms of racial differences, they exist and are large. To me, it is shameful that we as a society permit the existing gaps to continue. We do know that good schools can work for all children regardless of racial or ethnic background. Simply saying that these gaps “explain” our low scores denies both the data on school quality and (to me) the societal obligation to work to eliminate these gaps.
     

    In other words, Hanushek is totally aware of the race realist critique of his work, but he simply refuses to accept it. "We must educate this population". And he just takes it for granted that if one group of people can perform at a certain level, then any other group can too. Hanushek is a "conservative", employed at the Hoover Institution and appearing in places like the WSJ.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad

    My perspective is simply that we have the population that we have, and we must educate this population.

    This, of course, is wrong. The relevant population is the future population, and intelligent policies can improve the nature of that population.

    • Replies: @res
    @Ben tillman

    I would not call it wrong. It is a half truth. And unfortunately, the half it omits and you call out is very important.

  42. @Altai

    The $700 Trillion Bill Lying on the Sidewalk
     
    The real one is to stop listening to neoliberal economists like the IMF. They gave Argentina another loan less than 20 years after 'No more Argentinas' became a mantra, there is by definition nobody with less credibility than the IMF.

    I keep seeing these reports or YouTube videos "What happened to Boeing?", "Why is the middle class shrinking?" from places like CNBC and the Economist. It was you guys, they listened to the bullshit you were telling people was the answer to all their problems. They did what you told them to do.

    The pack of spivs who took over Boeing were theoretically the perfect businessmen per everything you've written and espoused for 40 years. The middle class got nuked from your policies of de-industrialisation, mass migration and neoliberal economics.

    Replies: @Technite78, @AnotherDad

    The middle class got nuked from your policies of de-industrialisation, mass migration and neoliberal economics.

    We let the marketplace people take over.

    This is your nation on traders, lawyers, academics, bureaucrats.

  43. And many countries, including the two most populace, have not produced student outcome data in a consistent manner.

    Hard to take a whine about education seriously from someone who’s ignorant of the difference between “populace” and “populous”.

  44. Anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    From the paper:

    https://www.imf.org/-/media/Images/IMF/FANDD/Charts/2022/June/world-map.ashx?h=1001&w=1182&la=en

    China, Japan, Korea on top. Canada and Scandinavia next. The U.S. is in the next rank, but we know from the PISA race breakdowns that white U.S. would be on a Scandinavian level.

    Compare the above to this:

  45. TG says:

    Am American with an IQ of 98 operating a bulldozer can move far more dirt than a Pakistani with an IQ of 102 who has only a shovel. And if the Pakistani has a PhD in engineering? No real difference. And how can the Pakistani get a PhD in engineering anyhow if he is working all day at a menial job and is chronically malnourished?

    The Iron Law of Development is that first people have fewer children than the physical maximum, then – if everything else goes right, including ‘skills’ – they can slowly accumulate real PER-CAPITA wealth. Never the other way around.

    But the rich want cheap labor, they want poverty, so this issue is covered in layers of lies and deceptions and misleading statistics.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @TG

    It's not just cheap labor, it's also cheap consumption. Sam Walton's heirs pays taxes to the USG. The USG doles out welfare. The welfare recipients buy cheap Chinese crap from Walmart. And on and on. So bring in a barely literate Aztec worth $10/hr on the job market, give him and his brood AFDC and the EITC; add them to the dollar tsunami flowing into Wally World.

    Big Tech (propped up by the artificial scarcity from IP laws) gets paid by advertisers for eyeballs. It doesn't matter if the eyeballs belong to German immigrants with advanced engineering degrees or Liberian immigrants who do, literally, nothing (I've seen this).

    Pepsico is a big participant in USAID. They supply protein paste to USAID so the Horn of Africa can maintain 6.0 TFR. Pepsico is breeding customers. They can come here and spend money their AFDC and EITC dollars on Pepsico products even more efficiently.

    This is scale and churn on Satanic levels by people whose appetite for sheer human numbers is endless--it's never enough. It's probably a sociopathic disorder; Yglesias and the One-Billion-Americans crowd have a form of mania.

    Replies: @Alden

  46. Anonymous[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @aNewBanner
    @Twinkie

    Like most spree shooters, this guy has the mental acuity of Homer Simpson trying to promote a bowling alley:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2BT7_owW2sU

    He probably just copied and pasted, without attribution, a bunch of stuff from the internet that sounded intelligent to him. (The “manifesto” of the shooter in Sweden involved endless Fjordman essays.)

    I don’t care what he thought. Digging into the writings of a manic for political points is morbid. It’s reprehensible when the Left does it, and it’s reprehensible when the Right does it. It serves no purpose other than to run up the ledger of crimes that one side uses to condemn the other. If you’re lucky, that ledger is thrown into the abyss. If you’re not lucky, then you’re in a scenario like the Eastern Front of WWII that had Soviet forces literally carrying around such ledgers and inflicting horror for horror on the Germans.

    Let his name be damnatio memoriae, and let that be the end of it.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I don’t care what he thought. Digging into the writings of a manic for political points is morbid. It’s reprehensible when the Left does it, and it’s reprehensible when the Right does it. It serves no purpose other than to run up the ledger of crimes that one side uses to condemn the other.

    I hope you are not of the opinion that digging into the writings of a maniac for political points is tantamount to digging into the writings of a maniac in an attempt to discover what has made him a maniac.

    Is the motivation for this sort of crime hard-coded into genetics? Or is it largely due to environment? Is this a “good kid” who went off the rails once, but in a striking and dramatic way? Or a bad kid who showed the signs of being so all along, but was able to do what he did because no one took him seriously until it was too late?

    I do not like this kid, nor do I understand why he did what he did, but I do understand that if society continues to turn a blind eye to the conditions that create people like him, we are going to get more of them.

    (Perhaps that has been the idea all along? Mass shootings do tend to play into the hands of the welfare/warfare state.)

    Can society prevent similar mass murders from happening in the future? I do not know, but I do know we will not get anywhere if we treat what these people have to say for themselves as beneath contempt and dismiss it out of hand before we even take a look at it.

    I understand what this man did was reprehensible. I do not think asking ourselves why he did it is reprehensible.

    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Replies: @lavoisier
    @Anonymous

    Asking why makes the matter more complex. Just say he is a sociopathic murderer (true) and your mind does not have to explore the societal forces that likely directed his sociopathy in one particular direction.

    At some level replacement level mass immigration and the hate whitey constant refrain from our elites is not likely to dampen sociopathic instincts.

  47. @Twinkie
    @Achmed E. Newman


    yet NONE of them made any effort to kill anyone who is actually evil and the cause of their problems
     
    You seem to be assuming that these were rational people. At minimum, you seem to be projecting yourself into these deranged, murderous actions (“If I were to go postal, I’d kill the bastards who really wrecked my country…”). But you are not a crazy, homicidal person, are you?

    Replies: @mc23, @aNewBanner, @Achmed E. Newman

    No, I’m not, Twinkie. You are right that’s it’s hard to put one’s self into the mindset of someone like this.

  48. I recently was reading some article covering a panel discussion in the real estate industry, about — can you guess? — yes, more minority “representation” in real estate. It had all the usual bilge water about “unconscious bias” and blah blah. But my favorite was when one of the panelists noted that “talent is evenly distributed,” you just have to seek it out in the “underserved communities.”

    Can you imagine actually believing that talent is “evenly distributed” across the population? But people really believe this.

  49. @personfellowindividual
    @epebble

    You're making the mistaken assumption that human beings have basically the same mental capacity, and that the shortage of human capital can be remedied with intensive teaching. Unfortunately for all of us, It Just Ain't True.

    Human intelligence is about 80% heritable, meaning it's genetic, coming from the mixture of your parents genes. So if both of your parents are smart, you are likely to be smart, and if your parents are stupid...

    You are born with all the intellectual potential you will ever have. Just like height, once you've grown up, that's it - You can't get smarter, and you can't get taller. We've spent untold billions of dollars, since 1965 (Head Start and Title I) trying to make blacks as smart as whites here in America. The results have been abysmally consistent. Education does not create more intelligence, and intelligence is, for the most part, what creates human capital. Lynn & Vanhanen have already demonstrated that there is a direct correlation between intelligence and a nation's wealth.

    TLDR: Dumb people can't be made into smart people, and dumb people are almost always poor. A nation can consist of dumb people who are genetically similar, so that nation will always be poor.

    Replies: @epebble

    Agree with most of what you say, but they are talking about Basic Skills. This is not harvesting Apples and Oranges, but Strawberries and Tomatoes. No need for ladders or fruit pickers, just bend down and pick with hand!

    There are a couple of billion cell phone users who seem perfectly capable of reading text, figuring when to press (glass) buttons, when to scroll and even type weirdly composed text. The authors are saying we can do it with the rest of humanity. This isn’t no Cosmology or Quantum Mechanics – where, I agree, may be 0.1% or 0.01% may understand the subtilities.

  50. @Achmed E. Newman
    O/T, but I'm sure iSteve will have more posts on this story. In the comment thread on the Buffalo mass murder, Dr. X and a few other commenters suspect Fed involvement for many possible (and likely) political ends. Let me make a point in support of that.

    From the excerpts I read and my trusting of the accounts of commenters who have looked into these White mass killers, one could say that these are all reasonably bright guys, right? Then how come Dylann Roof murdered black churchgoers* in Charleston, SC, this Buffalo guy some innocent people at the grocery store, that guy in Pittsburg 11 synagogue-goers, etc, yet NONE of them made any effort to kill anyone who is actually evil and the cause of their problems, as per their manifestoes and what-have-you?

    I know, they haven't been following politics for 30-50 years like the MEN 'o UNZ have and analyzing the real evil behind our societal destruction. They seem bright enough to have a clue though, and it's not like getting at one of the real culprits is so difficult (especially if you are not planning on getting away).

    Is it that whoever had been behind the scenes planning these killings or at least encouraging these mentally unstable men wants the political fallout but not anyone important to get hurt?

    .

    * If it were one of those black "Reverends" that instigate racial trouble, that'd be more understandable.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Mark G., @Barnard, @dearieme, @Adam Smith, @Sollipsist

    They seem bright enough to have a clue though, and it’s not like getting at one of the real culprits is so difficult (especially if you are not planning on getting away).

    People who engage in these mass shootings tend to think in terms of groups with some groups being evil and some good. Someone who sees people as individuals first and a member of a group second would not target someone just on the basis of race, religion or some other group identity as these mass shooters seem to do.

    You’ll notice when you read about these guys they are never libertarian Ron Paul fanboys who quote Rand, Rothbard, Mises, Friedman and Hayek in their manifestos. This is not a coincidence. Libertarians see people as individuals first and would never initiate force against someone where they don’t know their background on the basis that they belong to a certain group.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Mark G.


    Libertarians see people as individuals first and would never initiate force against someone where they don’t know their background on the basis that they belong to a certain group.
     
    Yes, it's long been recognized by their critics that libertardians are completely useless in a war.

    Replies: @Mark G.

  51. @Achmed E. Newman
    O/T, but I'm sure iSteve will have more posts on this story. In the comment thread on the Buffalo mass murder, Dr. X and a few other commenters suspect Fed involvement for many possible (and likely) political ends. Let me make a point in support of that.

    From the excerpts I read and my trusting of the accounts of commenters who have looked into these White mass killers, one could say that these are all reasonably bright guys, right? Then how come Dylann Roof murdered black churchgoers* in Charleston, SC, this Buffalo guy some innocent people at the grocery store, that guy in Pittsburg 11 synagogue-goers, etc, yet NONE of them made any effort to kill anyone who is actually evil and the cause of their problems, as per their manifestoes and what-have-you?

    I know, they haven't been following politics for 30-50 years like the MEN 'o UNZ have and analyzing the real evil behind our societal destruction. They seem bright enough to have a clue though, and it's not like getting at one of the real culprits is so difficult (especially if you are not planning on getting away).

    Is it that whoever had been behind the scenes planning these killings or at least encouraging these mentally unstable men wants the political fallout but not anyone important to get hurt?

    .

    * If it were one of those black "Reverends" that instigate racial trouble, that'd be more understandable.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Mark G., @Barnard, @dearieme, @Adam Smith, @Sollipsist

    As I recall the Pittsburgh shooter specifically targeted that synagogue because they were very active in refugee resettlement. As to why he didn’t target the leadership instead of the lay member of the congregation I can’t say.

  52. @James Speaks

    All We Have to Do Is Make All the Children in the World as Smart as Lake Wobegon's Kids
     
    A famine will accomplish that if only the offspring of those who can read the writing on the wall survive.

    The results are staggering. As the table indicates, the present value of added world GDP that would accrue over the remainder of the century is $700 trillion, or five times current annual world GDP. …
     
    Economists conveniently ignore the ongoing fossil fuel dilemma.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “Economists conveniently ignore the ongoing fossil fuel dilemma.”

    The clotshots are solving that dilemma. You notice we never hear about vaxxines for the Moronic or BaaaahMeToo 🐑 variants? Yah, cuz they got that filthy shit in 85% of White veins already: Mission Accomplished.

    #PureBlood

    • Troll: Paul Mendez
  53. @Achmed E. Newman
    O/T, but I'm sure iSteve will have more posts on this story. In the comment thread on the Buffalo mass murder, Dr. X and a few other commenters suspect Fed involvement for many possible (and likely) political ends. Let me make a point in support of that.

    From the excerpts I read and my trusting of the accounts of commenters who have looked into these White mass killers, one could say that these are all reasonably bright guys, right? Then how come Dylann Roof murdered black churchgoers* in Charleston, SC, this Buffalo guy some innocent people at the grocery store, that guy in Pittsburg 11 synagogue-goers, etc, yet NONE of them made any effort to kill anyone who is actually evil and the cause of their problems, as per their manifestoes and what-have-you?

    I know, they haven't been following politics for 30-50 years like the MEN 'o UNZ have and analyzing the real evil behind our societal destruction. They seem bright enough to have a clue though, and it's not like getting at one of the real culprits is so difficult (especially if you are not planning on getting away).

    Is it that whoever had been behind the scenes planning these killings or at least encouraging these mentally unstable men wants the political fallout but not anyone important to get hurt?

    .

    * If it were one of those black "Reverends" that instigate racial trouble, that'd be more understandable.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Mark G., @Barnard, @dearieme, @Adam Smith, @Sollipsist

    My first reaction was “Why on earth murder a bunch of harmless black people out doing their weekly shop when you go into the ghetto and kill lots of murderous young hoodlums?”

    There are other, comparable, mysteries in life. For example there are lots of men told every year “you have terminal cancer and have less than a year to live”. But astonishingly they don’t seem to do society a favour by going out to kill some of the ruling criminal class. Why not?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @dearieme


    Why not?
     
    Religion. Even if you weren't the religious type, you may very well get some.
  54. @anon
    This reminded me of an old podcast that Hanushek did with Russ Roberts years ago. I see that the podcast, complete with comments section, is still online here:

    https://www.econtalk.org/hanushek-on-education-and-prosperity/

    In the podcast, Hanushek made an argument similar to the one that he makes in this new paper, except that he focused on the US. He argued that US scores are mediocre compared to those of other developed countries, and that, since these scores are correlated with economic performance, the US could boost its economic prosperity if it improved its scores.

    In the comments section, a bunch of people made Sailer-esque critiques of his argument. People even posted the US PISA scores disaggregated by race, undoubtedly taken from Steve's work. Hanushek actually popped up in the comments and wrote a response that included the following:


    It is clearly true that family background has a huge impact on student achievement. This is one of the most well-established points of educational research. My remarks should not be interpreted as denying this. My perspective is simply that we have the population that we have, and we must educate this population. And on this score we have evidence that it is possible — some teachers and some schools have found ways to overcome the background deficiencies with which students come to school....

    In terms of racial differences, they exist and are large. To me, it is shameful that we as a society permit the existing gaps to continue. We do know that good schools can work for all children regardless of racial or ethnic background. Simply saying that these gaps “explain” our low scores denies both the data on school quality and (to me) the societal obligation to work to eliminate these gaps.
     

    In other words, Hanushek is totally aware of the race realist critique of his work, but he simply refuses to accept it. "We must educate this population". And he just takes it for granted that if one group of people can perform at a certain level, then any other group can too. Hanushek is a "conservative", employed at the Hoover Institution and appearing in places like the WSJ.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad

    Growth and achievement are closely linked: countries with high-achieving populations grew fast; those whose people lag in achievement hardly grew at all. Achievement explains three-quarters of the variation in growth rates across countries. Moreover, years of schooling have no bearing on growth after accounting for what has actually been learned.

    To me, this is actually a considerably better–more realistic–statement of reality than what we usually get.

    Note the last sentence. These guys aren’t just saying “need more education and everything will be fine”. There’s this reality check that schooling as schooling has no value. That what matters is actual skills.

    I don’t think “skills” are the only thing that matters. But they do matter tremendously. Given with the same genetic “ammunition”, getting your people literate and numerate and with lots of training in understanding and analyzing it extremely helpful. And this still has not been done adequately in many areas of the world. Many countries do not do a very good job developing the raw human capital they have. Including the giga-country–and soon world’s most populous country–India.

    The obvious “left unsaid” bit is exactly what is it that creates this dichotomy, between “years schooling” and “achievement”. I think we know the core of the answer.

    That’s where I would most differ from Hanushek.

    1) He thinks we know approaches that can work. I’m dubious. I think the only “approach” we have that will help is educational choice–vouchers–to get students “out from under” the public school system and let parents/teachers try and find approaches that work for various sorts of kids. Along with–my hobby horse–competency exams for credentialing so students both have a goal and can take any approach (at any price) that works for them. And not be locked into “college” or even high school.

    2) Hanushek is too cavalier about genetics.

    My perspective is simply that we have the population that we have, and we must educate this population.

    I agree we must educate the population we have, but with realism that there is no magic bullet. Nothing pushes the rock that far up hill. So we must also be extremely mindful of genetics and seek to uplift our population with eugenic fertility. Otherwise, you have taken on a sisyphean task and are doomed to eventual national decline.

    • Replies: @res
    @AnotherDad

    Good points. Thank you for highlighting that sentence. I had not picked up on its importance. It would be interesting to add global IQ estimates to their model and compare. I wonder if Heiner Rindermann has already done that.

    BTW, three quarters of growth rate variance explained by achievement scores is stunning (consider things like vastly different resources and infrastructure).

    I don't think Hanushek is too cavalier about genetics. I read that as ass covering.

  55. Economist to Fish: “You could live a good life on land if someone would just teach you how to walk.”

    Race Huckster to Fish: “The reason you can’t walk is because the mammals have kept you down in the water.”

    Ex-Man to Fish: “Just because you were assigned ‘fish’ at birth doesn’t mean you aren’t a gazelle. Now swim away before I catch you, bash your head on a rock and gut you.”

    Democrat Candidate to Fish: “Vote for me, keep my party in power, and we will make sure every fish has the right to migrate to our land and compete in women’s swimming competitions.”

  56. res says:

    I couldn’t find what % of American 15-year-olds don’t score at at Level 1 on the PISA, but I did find that 19% of Americans don’t achieve Level 2 in reading and 27% come up short of Level 2 in math.

    Detailed level breakdowns are available for all OECD and partner countries in the appendices of this document.
    https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/education/pisa-2018-results-volume-i_79c489df-en

    To find with a web search the section is titled:
    Results for countries and economies Annex B1

    The data you want is on pages 210-215 in three tables.
    Table I.B1.1 Percentage of students at each proficiency level in reading
    Table I.B1.2 Percentage of students at each proficiency level in mathematics
    Table I.B1.3 Percentage of students at each proficiency level in science

    To tie in with the data you gave here are the percentages at each level for reading, math, and science in the US. Notice that the levels reported are subtly different (see below) so best to read below lists from the right which is level 6.

    Reading 0.1/1.1/5.4/12.7/21.1/24.7/21.4/10.7/2.8
    Mathematics 10.2/16.9/24.2/24.1/16.3/6.8/1.5
    Science 0.5/4.4/13.7/23.6/27.5/21.1/7.9/1,3

    Comparing to the figures you gave we see below level 2.
    Reading 0.1 + 1.1 + 5.4 + 12.7 = 19.3%
    Mathematics 10.2 + 16.9 = 27.1%
    So that checks.

    I had not noticed before that the level 1 breakdowns differ for each category. For reading there are levels 1a, 1b, and 1c. For science there are levels 1a and 1b, while for mathematics there is only level 1. Odd since the further breakdowns seem useful. My guess is reading > mathematics > science overall for an economic analysis like the one you referenced, but may change to mathematics > reading for the higher end countries.

    For mathematics the worst partner is the Dominican Republic with 69.3% scoring below level 1. Some more granularity would definitely help there. And notice that there are no African partners.

    There is much more data in that document. The per test and per country mean/SD and 5/10/25/50/75/90/95 percentile score data in the immediately following tables is particularly useful IMHO.

    P.S. I think it is worth linking this 2019 post of yours. Also some good comments there. Especially from Harold and EH.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
  57. res says:
    @AnotherDad
    @anon


    Growth and achievement are closely linked: countries with high-achieving populations grew fast; those whose people lag in achievement hardly grew at all. Achievement explains three-quarters of the variation in growth rates across countries. Moreover, years of schooling have no bearing on growth after accounting for what has actually been learned.
     
    To me, this is actually a considerably better--more realistic--statement of reality than what we usually get.

    Note the last sentence. These guys aren't just saying "need more education and everything will be fine". There's this reality check that schooling as schooling has no value. That what matters is actual skills.

    I don't think "skills" are the only thing that matters. But they do matter tremendously. Given with the same genetic "ammunition", getting your people literate and numerate and with lots of training in understanding and analyzing it extremely helpful. And this still has not been done adequately in many areas of the world. Many countries do not do a very good job developing the raw human capital they have. Including the giga-country--and soon world's most populous country--India.

    The obvious "left unsaid" bit is exactly what is it that creates this dichotomy, between "years schooling" and "achievement". I think we know the core of the answer.

    That's where I would most differ from Hanushek.

    1) He thinks we know approaches that can work. I'm dubious. I think the only "approach" we have that will help is educational choice--vouchers--to get students "out from under" the public school system and let parents/teachers try and find approaches that work for various sorts of kids. Along with--my hobby horse--competency exams for credentialing so students both have a goal and can take any approach (at any price) that works for them. And not be locked into "college" or even high school.

    2) Hanushek is too cavalier about genetics.

    My perspective is simply that we have the population that we have, and we must educate this population.
     
    I agree we must educate the population we have, but with realism that there is no magic bullet. Nothing pushes the rock that far up hill. So we must also be extremely mindful of genetics and seek to uplift our population with eugenic fertility. Otherwise, you have taken on a sisyphean task and are doomed to eventual national decline.

    Replies: @res

    Good points. Thank you for highlighting that sentence. I had not picked up on its importance. It would be interesting to add global IQ estimates to their model and compare. I wonder if Heiner Rindermann has already done that.

    BTW, three quarters of growth rate variance explained by achievement scores is stunning (consider things like vastly different resources and infrastructure).

    I don’t think Hanushek is too cavalier about genetics. I read that as ass covering.

  58. @Ben tillman
    @anon


    My perspective is simply that we have the population that we have, and we must educate this population.
     
    This, of course, is wrong. The relevant population is the future population, and intelligent policies can improve the nature of that population.

    Replies: @res

    I would not call it wrong. It is a half truth. And unfortunately, the half it omits and you call out is very important.

  59. The “social sciences” are unremitting nonsense.

    “If a frog had wings, it wouldn’t bump its ass ‘a-hoppin’”
    -Nathan Arizona (Trey Wilson), Raising Arizona

  60. @SiNCERITY.net
    It is all completely logical. One lie begets another. Once you lie that all people have equal IQ, equal talent, equal self control and ambition, then this article follows. No surprise.

    We must go back to the source, the basic fundamental lie of egalitarianism, and the gag orders that don't allow #TrueSpeech about #HateFacts such as race and sex differences.

    From there on, PC lies unravel.
    Honest sincere people believe the cited article, because the alternative explanation is not allowed

    Everything false can be derived from one false premise (f ⇒ f)
    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/

    Leave a Comment / Scientific Method / By admin
    Thus we must not allow a single false or dubious assumption to creep into media, into social sciences.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Seekers, @New Dealer

    I find no justification for the argument that gaps in education, wealth, income and family formation are due to arbitrary “discrimination.” Put simply, certain races are not up to the level of whites. The group inputs being less substantial, the gaps in group outcomes are inevitable.

  61. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @songbird


    Couldn’t the Dominican Republic raise its per capita to at least the rate of Spain with a few generations of embryo selection?
     
    This is a country with an open Bible on its flag.


    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81q-3tMrTTL._AC_SL1500_.jpg


    On the other hand, flying the second-most Christian flag in the world hasn't stopped Denmark from engaging in weird and cruel practices such as sex changes and sperm export.

    https://mlbhgjfcmkvn.i.optimole.com/LT0BsL8.Dxtj~5da3/w:auto/h:auto/q:auto/https://onthisdayinworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Oldest-National-Flag-In-The-World-Dannebrog.jpg


    Plus, before Roe, Puerto Rico was the go-to spot for abortions.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @songbird

    Never mind the sperm exports, or even Puerto Rico ‘before Roe’.

    – The Danes do love a bit of cod’s roe.

  62. @personfellowindividual
    @Arclight

    We don't employ low intelligence people to dig ditches anymore. We employ machine operators to dig ditches with backhoes now. The jobs that people with no intelligence or skills used to do 50 years ago are virtually all gone to machines or third-world laborers who are smarter and more capable, but at the same time, willing to take lower wages.

    My theory is that all the dumb white people who had jobs like that are now busily killing themselves with Meth and Fentanyl because nobody wants them or needs them. If you've ever lived in the rural parts of America, you can see it yourself. There are zombified tweakers and addicts all over the place out there.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @AceDeuce

    ‘…My theory is that all the dumb white people who had jobs like that are now busily killing themselves with Meth and Fentanyl because nobody wants them or needs them. If you’ve ever lived in the rural parts of America, you can see it yourself. There are zombified tweakers and addicts all over the place out there…’

    Yeah — but we could ameliorate this problem, if not solve it completely.

    For example, around here there’s lot less work in the lumber mills than there used to be…and we’ve taken to simply exporting logs unfinished to the Far East. They’d rather provide work for their mill hands than for ours…

    So what if we jiggered our export regulations so unfinished logs cost enough to make it more profitable to buy the wood as finished lumber? Work for all those white people.

    Why let in immigrants to do gardening? Lots of whites will do it. Agricultural labor, etc.

    Bring in laws favoring small businesses. Lower taxes for income from the first brick ‘n mortar site. Just tell Amazon they can’t sell clothes. Go to Japan some time: the whole country is small businesses and small farms that have to be getting a helpful thumb on the scale somehow.

    Partly it’s evolving technology — but partly, it’s also not giving a shit. We could make decent jobs for a lot more people than we do.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Colin Wright

    We could make decent jobs for a lot more people than we do.

    Yes. bourgeois Americans can pay welfare via the cash register, or via government transfer payments; the former is more salutary.

    We also have a more fundamental problem. A retired relative volunteered for counseling work, getting trash people (ex-addicts, ex-cons) set up for jobs. He ended up quitting because he would go thru this incredible process of convincing somebody to give some tatted-up, pack-a-day-smoking loser a chance at some scrap metal or whatever business. First day of work, the poor loser doesn't show up, went off the wagon the night before. Over and over, so he got tired of doing all this work for people who just did not give a hoot.

    The work ethic, sense of belonging, belief in the transcendent, is disappearing in the lower classes.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  63. All We Have to Do Is Make All the Children in the World as Smart as Lake Wobegon’s Kids

    For all of the world’s kids to be above average, all of their teachers will need to be exceptional.

  64. @Achmed E. Newman
    O/T, but I'm sure iSteve will have more posts on this story. In the comment thread on the Buffalo mass murder, Dr. X and a few other commenters suspect Fed involvement for many possible (and likely) political ends. Let me make a point in support of that.

    From the excerpts I read and my trusting of the accounts of commenters who have looked into these White mass killers, one could say that these are all reasonably bright guys, right? Then how come Dylann Roof murdered black churchgoers* in Charleston, SC, this Buffalo guy some innocent people at the grocery store, that guy in Pittsburg 11 synagogue-goers, etc, yet NONE of them made any effort to kill anyone who is actually evil and the cause of their problems, as per their manifestoes and what-have-you?

    I know, they haven't been following politics for 30-50 years like the MEN 'o UNZ have and analyzing the real evil behind our societal destruction. They seem bright enough to have a clue though, and it's not like getting at one of the real culprits is so difficult (especially if you are not planning on getting away).

    Is it that whoever had been behind the scenes planning these killings or at least encouraging these mentally unstable men wants the political fallout but not anyone important to get hurt?

    .

    * If it were one of those black "Reverends" that instigate racial trouble, that'd be more understandable.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Mark G., @Barnard, @dearieme, @Adam Smith, @Sollipsist

    Good afternoon, Mr. Newman,

    I watched the video of the cops interrogating Dylann Roof. (I was pleasantly surprised how professional the two detectives were in this video.) From the way he presented himself in that video, I would not describe Dylann Roof as “reasonably bright”. Rather below average would be more fitting. Borderline retarded even.

    I read some of Payton Gendron’s manifesto. It’s odd. The photo of him in the manifesto does not match the other pictures I have seen. The writing itself makes him seem like he’s a caricature of a stereotypical white supremacist in a cheap hollywood movie. I’m not sure it’s real.

    I too suspect the Buffalo shooting is a somewhat synthetic event designed to further a political aganda.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Adam Smith

    Thanks for correction on Dylann Roof, Adam. I didn't see that video.

  65. @dearieme
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My first reaction was "Why on earth murder a bunch of harmless black people out doing their weekly shop when you go into the ghetto and kill lots of murderous young hoodlums?"

    There are other, comparable, mysteries in life. For example there are lots of men told every year "you have terminal cancer and have less than a year to live". But astonishingly they don't seem to do society a favour by going out to kill some of the ruling criminal class. Why not?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Why not?

    Religion. Even if you weren’t the religious type, you may very well get some.

  66. Large numbered assumptions always crack me up, especially when obviously wrong but delivered with strong conviction.

    My company (a very large multinational corporation) had, prior to the great recession, a group of several hundred who were employed developing programs designed to increase efficiency. Each program posited expected savings.

    As is normal for proponents of said programs, they tended to quote from the high end of the range when pitching to upper management. I know this to be true based on simple math, i.e. the cumulative savings for all projects combined would have exceeded our entire operating expenses.

  67. @Reg Cæsar
    @songbird


    Couldn’t the Dominican Republic raise its per capita to at least the rate of Spain with a few generations of embryo selection?
     
    This is a country with an open Bible on its flag.


    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81q-3tMrTTL._AC_SL1500_.jpg


    On the other hand, flying the second-most Christian flag in the world hasn't stopped Denmark from engaging in weird and cruel practices such as sex changes and sperm export.

    https://mlbhgjfcmkvn.i.optimole.com/LT0BsL8.Dxtj~5da3/w:auto/h:auto/q:auto/https://onthisdayinworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Oldest-National-Flag-In-The-World-Dannebrog.jpg


    Plus, before Roe, Puerto Rico was the go-to spot for abortions.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @songbird

    Hadn’t realized that there was another country in the world with a book on its flag, other than Mozambique.

  68. @obwandiyag
    What. You don't even have to write anything. You just c&p some dumb article we've heard a thousand times before.

    Man, that's the way to do it.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose

    That’s iSteve alright: Money for nothing and chicks for free.

  69. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @songbird

    In the Bible, God tends to give Himself all the best lines, and the funniest ones.

    The funniest exchange is in the Garden of Eden...

    ADAM: I heard You coming, and I was ashamed because I was naked, so I hid.
    GOD: Who told you that you were naked?

    Similarly, one might ask of the Third World: Who told you that you were poor?

    In absolute terms, there are far fewer places of utter misery and squalor on Earth than Sally Struthers would have you believe; just lots of people with less good stuff. "We must provide computers and internet service to inner Africa!" So they can do.... what, exactly? Those Guatemalans flooding the border aren't starving at all, actually they're morbidly obese, and dressed in cast-off Metallica t-shirts.

    The Dominican Republic is not "poor," it's just that they have found out that somewhere, somebody else has better stuff, and they want it too -- but aren't smart enough to make it themselves. But they have for instance intact extended family structures, a valuable thing which has evaporated among the people who have nicer stuff. It's kind of relative.

    Maybe the economists could create a program in global Envy Reduction.

    Replies: @songbird

    No joking, I once watched a few commercials on a station catering to Dominicans, and I was kind of envious of them because it was obvious that none of it was subversive. Traditional values were given a higher place. Paterfamilias. A boy wanting to be a fireman to rescue people.

    But I think you raise a good point. Maybe, there should be policies to try to create some Great Firewall, to prevent this envy.

  70. Elite overproduction informs much of what policies our elites support.

    But I don’t think they are interested in more highly educated, highly skilled, highly accomplished people. What they like to call the ‘meritocracy’ is their name for what they really want: A new, permanent aristocracy made up of, well, them.

    Better to bring up the world’s hoi polloi to a sufficient standard to wash away in a massive demographic tidal wave their only competition: white proles. These people are too reminiscent of themselves in the ( often, not distant) past, they are not sufficiently awed by the elites’ increasingly meaningless credentials, they have seen our emperors at least half-naked and are not impressed.

    Better to import dusky peasants by the shipload- for the benefit of the elites’ own posterity, not ‘ours.’ They’ve never been able to enjoy the increasing wealth imbalance as much as they could, what with mechanics and truck drivers seeming to enjoy their own lives oblivious to who is made mention on the News Hour. They were always envious of the totalitarian states’ ability to crush their rivals, but also of the exquisite pleasure of being rich in the Third World, surrounded by abject misery and suffering. They don’t give a fig about undereducated Africans, what bothers them is their fellow citizens who present a potential threat.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I remember a comment thread on marginalrevolution.com, with all these bobos pondering over how to address service techs coming over to work on their HVAC or whatever. A certain class of people are extremely uncomfortable around workers who can speak their own language and ask them straight up if they caught the game last night--like they're fellow citizens or something. They want deferential peasants who keep their eyes down and know only enough English to say "hello" and "thank you."

    The assumption being that their precious oompa-loompas will gladly toil away as the dollar erodes, and revolutions and people being slaughtered in their beds just can't happen here.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  71. @Adam Smith
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Good afternoon, Mr. Newman,

    I watched the video of the cops interrogating Dylann Roof. (I was pleasantly surprised how professional the two detectives were in this video.) From the way he presented himself in that video, I would not describe Dylann Roof as "reasonably bright". Rather below average would be more fitting. Borderline retarded even.

    I read some of Payton Gendron's manifesto. It's odd. The photo of him in the manifesto does not match the other pictures I have seen. The writing itself makes him seem like he's a caricature of a stereotypical white supremacist in a cheap hollywood movie. I'm not sure it's real.

    I too suspect the Buffalo shooting is a somewhat synthetic event designed to further a political aganda.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks for correction on Dylann Roof, Adam. I didn’t see that video.

  72. @silviosilver
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco


    Where would they get the funds for embryo selection?
     
    There should be a government subsidy for couples who choose a selective method of procreation, since its results are likely to be eugenic. It doesn't matter that there are no guarantees that any selected embryo will be superior to what that couple may have naturally produced; it only matters that, on average across all couples, the likelihood is greater. Of course, any mention of the dreaded the e-word should be avoided, but eugenics would be indeed be the ultimate rationale.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Even if embryo selection was subsidized, very few women would go thru the invasive process required to obtain the eggs if they could get pregnant the natural way….also the failure rate for IVF is about 60%, so they would need to go thru another egg extraction procedure to obtain another 10 embryos and again select the best of the 10….most of the uneducated low IQ females get impregnated while not married, often without the man wanting a child….so getting IVF is not likely to be an option with their boyfriend not willing to agree to it, since they are not seeking to be a father. A significant number of the women end up pregnant by accident, and having below average IQs that are not going to have the planning ability or a partner to assist them in getting IVF even if they were willing to go thru the procedure required, even if it were free.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco


    Even if embryo selection was subsidized, very few women would go thru the invasive process required to obtain the eggs if they could get pregnant the natural way…
     
    So what? That wouldn't mean it's not worth offering such a subsidy. If you really understood how important eugenic fertility is to future wellbeing, there's almost no price you wouldn't pay for it - and almost no price that wouldn't be handsomely repaid over subsequent generations.

    And remember, trillions have been washed down the drain subsidizing dysgenics, so we've already got the spending part mastered. We just need to redirect that spending to fertility policies that are actually worthwhile.

  73. I am shocked–SHOCKED–that my social betters think that we can make the world a utopia if only we had mo money for dem programs

  74. @Mark G.
    @Achmed E. Newman


    They seem bright enough to have a clue though, and it’s not like getting at one of the real culprits is so difficult (especially if you are not planning on getting away).
     
    People who engage in these mass shootings tend to think in terms of groups with some groups being evil and some good. Someone who sees people as individuals first and a member of a group second would not target someone just on the basis of race, religion or some other group identity as these mass shooters seem to do.

    You'll notice when you read about these guys they are never libertarian Ron Paul fanboys who quote Rand, Rothbard, Mises, Friedman and Hayek in their manifestos. This is not a coincidence. Libertarians see people as individuals first and would never initiate force against someone where they don't know their background on the basis that they belong to a certain group.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Libertarians see people as individuals first and would never initiate force against someone where they don’t know their background on the basis that they belong to a certain group.

    Yes, it’s long been recognized by their critics that libertardians are completely useless in a war.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @silviosilver


    Yes, it’s long been recognized by their critics that libertardians are completely useless in a war.

     

    So, you consider randomly shooting people as long as they belong to a certain race a war? What a repulsive creature.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  75. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @silviosilver

    Even if embryo selection was subsidized, very few women would go thru the invasive process required to obtain the eggs if they could get pregnant the natural way....also the failure rate for IVF is about 60%, so they would need to go thru another egg extraction procedure to obtain another 10 embryos and again select the best of the 10....most of the uneducated low IQ females get impregnated while not married, often without the man wanting a child....so getting IVF is not likely to be an option with their boyfriend not willing to agree to it, since they are not seeking to be a father. A significant number of the women end up pregnant by accident, and having below average IQs that are not going to have the planning ability or a partner to assist them in getting IVF even if they were willing to go thru the procedure required, even if it were free.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Even if embryo selection was subsidized, very few women would go thru the invasive process required to obtain the eggs if they could get pregnant the natural way…

    So what? That wouldn’t mean it’s not worth offering such a subsidy. If you really understood how important eugenic fertility is to future wellbeing, there’s almost no price you wouldn’t pay for it – and almost no price that wouldn’t be handsomely repaid over subsequent generations.

    And remember, trillions have been washed down the drain subsidizing dysgenics, so we’ve already got the spending part mastered. We just need to redirect that spending to fertility policies that are actually worthwhile.

  76. @SiNCERITY.net
    It is all completely logical. One lie begets another. Once you lie that all people have equal IQ, equal talent, equal self control and ambition, then this article follows. No surprise.

    We must go back to the source, the basic fundamental lie of egalitarianism, and the gag orders that don't allow #TrueSpeech about #HateFacts such as race and sex differences.

    From there on, PC lies unravel.
    Honest sincere people believe the cited article, because the alternative explanation is not allowed

    Everything false can be derived from one false premise (f ⇒ f)
    https://sincerity.net/false-premise-false-conclusion/

    Leave a Comment / Scientific Method / By admin
    Thus we must not allow a single false or dubious assumption to creep into media, into social sciences.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Seekers, @New Dealer

    I find that the blog commentariat, both left and right, does not properly distinguish moral equality (we are free individuals endowed with basic human rights) from Harrison-Bergeron-style totalitarian equality (forced to be equal in looks, intelligence, athletic ability, etc.). The duty to treat others as moral equals (among other minimal obligations, to refrain from force and fraud against them) is quite worthy and attractive, and should not be confused with obnoxious and childish disparatarianism.

    I attended a lecture by an economist who said that nothing should be distributed equally. I asked him whether the rights to conscience and free speech, assembly, and such should be unequally distributed. He conceded with embarrassment that, No, the basic human rights be equally distributed.

  77. @personfellowindividual
    @Arclight

    We don't employ low intelligence people to dig ditches anymore. We employ machine operators to dig ditches with backhoes now. The jobs that people with no intelligence or skills used to do 50 years ago are virtually all gone to machines or third-world laborers who are smarter and more capable, but at the same time, willing to take lower wages.

    My theory is that all the dumb white people who had jobs like that are now busily killing themselves with Meth and Fentanyl because nobody wants them or needs them. If you've ever lived in the rural parts of America, you can see it yourself. There are zombified tweakers and addicts all over the place out there.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @AceDeuce

    My theory is that all the dumb white people who had jobs like that are now busily killing themselves with Meth and Fentanyl because nobody wants them or needs them. If you’ve ever lived in the rural parts of America, you can see it yourself. There are zombified tweakers and addicts all over the place out there.

    A majority of those people you so casually denigrate are probably as smart, if not smarter, than you. Many of them have, over the past half century, adopted negro cultural norms to go with the often unfortunate circumstances they were born into-specifically, a government that has taken turns injuring and neglecting them and their homelands.

  78. @silviosilver
    @Mark G.


    Libertarians see people as individuals first and would never initiate force against someone where they don’t know their background on the basis that they belong to a certain group.
     
    Yes, it's long been recognized by their critics that libertardians are completely useless in a war.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    Yes, it’s long been recognized by their critics that libertardians are completely useless in a war.

    So, you consider randomly shooting people as long as they belong to a certain race a war? What a repulsive creature.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Mark G.

    I was referring to an actual war. You shoot the enemy's soldiers simply because they belong to the group "enemy soldiers." You don't pause to consider their personal qualities.

    But the same criticism applies to all forms of inter-group struggle, even when shooting isn't involved. You take your own side because it is your own side. Libertardians won't have a bar of it. They refuse to recognize that they even belong to a side. Useless creatures.

    Replies: @Mark G.

  79. @Mark G.
    @silviosilver


    Yes, it’s long been recognized by their critics that libertardians are completely useless in a war.

     

    So, you consider randomly shooting people as long as they belong to a certain race a war? What a repulsive creature.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    I was referring to an actual war. You shoot the enemy’s soldiers simply because they belong to the group “enemy soldiers.” You don’t pause to consider their personal qualities.

    But the same criticism applies to all forms of inter-group struggle, even when shooting isn’t involved. You take your own side because it is your own side. Libertardians won’t have a bar of it. They refuse to recognize that they even belong to a side. Useless creatures.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @silviosilver


    But the same criticism applies to all forms of inter-group struggle, even when shooting isn’t involved. You take your own side because it is your own side. Libertardians won’t have a bar of it. They refuse to recognize that they even belong to a side.

     

    Libertarians belong to the side of the productive person who engages in voluntary transactions with others offering them goods or services they want in exchange for goods or services wanted in return. These can include Asian, black and Hispanic people. Since you don't believe in that you want to substitute the use of force between people. You and others like you think in terms of war and killing others just on the basis of their race, like the Nazis, or class, like the Communists. You are just two sides of the same irrational collectivist coin.

    In the case of the racialist right they are useless because they are only capable of thinking in overly simplistic terms of "whites good, nonwhites bad". This makes them oblivious that many of our problems are caused by parasitical corrupt white elites that have taken over the country. In order to correctly fight an enemy, you have to correctly identify an enemy. Only someone evil or confused engages in this type of misidentification of where our problems are. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Alden

  80. @Anonymous
    @aNewBanner


    I don’t care what he thought. Digging into the writings of a manic for political points is morbid. It’s reprehensible when the Left does it, and it’s reprehensible when the Right does it. It serves no purpose other than to run up the ledger of crimes that one side uses to condemn the other.
     
    I hope you are not of the opinion that digging into the writings of a maniac for political points is tantamount to digging into the writings of a maniac in an attempt to discover what has made him a maniac.

    Is the motivation for this sort of crime hard-coded into genetics? Or is it largely due to environment? Is this a "good kid" who went off the rails once, but in a striking and dramatic way? Or a bad kid who showed the signs of being so all along, but was able to do what he did because no one took him seriously until it was too late?

    I do not like this kid, nor do I understand why he did what he did, but I do understand that if society continues to turn a blind eye to the conditions that create people like him, we are going to get more of them.

    (Perhaps that has been the idea all along? Mass shootings do tend to play into the hands of the welfare/warfare state.)

    Can society prevent similar mass murders from happening in the future? I do not know, but I do know we will not get anywhere if we treat what these people have to say for themselves as beneath contempt and dismiss it out of hand before we even take a look at it.

    I understand what this man did was reprehensible. I do not think asking ourselves why he did it is reprehensible.

    Replies: @lavoisier

    Asking why makes the matter more complex. Just say he is a sociopathic murderer (true) and your mind does not have to explore the societal forces that likely directed his sociopathy in one particular direction.

    At some level replacement level mass immigration and the hate whitey constant refrain from our elites is not likely to dampen sociopathic instincts.

  81. @TG
    Am American with an IQ of 98 operating a bulldozer can move far more dirt than a Pakistani with an IQ of 102 who has only a shovel. And if the Pakistani has a PhD in engineering? No real difference. And how can the Pakistani get a PhD in engineering anyhow if he is working all day at a menial job and is chronically malnourished?

    The Iron Law of Development is that first people have fewer children than the physical maximum, then - if everything else goes right, including 'skills' - they can slowly accumulate real PER-CAPITA wealth. Never the other way around.

    But the rich want cheap labor, they want poverty, so this issue is covered in layers of lies and deceptions and misleading statistics.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    It’s not just cheap labor, it’s also cheap consumption. Sam Walton’s heirs pays taxes to the USG. The USG doles out welfare. The welfare recipients buy cheap Chinese crap from Walmart. And on and on. So bring in a barely literate Aztec worth \$10/hr on the job market, give him and his brood AFDC and the EITC; add them to the dollar tsunami flowing into Wally World.

    Big Tech (propped up by the artificial scarcity from IP laws) gets paid by advertisers for eyeballs. It doesn’t matter if the eyeballs belong to German immigrants with advanced engineering degrees or Liberian immigrants who do, literally, nothing (I’ve seen this).

    Pepsico is a big participant in USAID. They supply protein paste to USAID so the Horn of Africa can maintain 6.0 TFR. Pepsico is breeding customers. They can come here and spend money their AFDC and EITC dollars on Pepsico products even more efficiently.

    This is scale and churn on Satanic levels by people whose appetite for sheer human numbers is endless–it’s never enough. It’s probably a sociopathic disorder; Yglesias and the One-Billion-Americans crowd have a form of mania.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Alden
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Great post excellent the great circle of money going round and round. Welfare people go to Walmart to buy cheap Chinese crap with their EBT cards Walmart pays taxes so the government can dole out taxes to the welfare crowd.

    And the reversal of Roe vs Wade will add thousands of people on welfare to the population every year. More section 8 more low income utilities more free day care for women in retard job training programs and allegedly looking for work. And when the boy babies grow up thousands of criminals preying on the population and filling the criminal courts and jails. Or not maybe the Soros DAs will shut down the criminal justice system entirely

  82. @Colin Wright
    @personfellowindividual

    '...My theory is that all the dumb white people who had jobs like that are now busily killing themselves with Meth and Fentanyl because nobody wants them or needs them. If you’ve ever lived in the rural parts of America, you can see it yourself. There are zombified tweakers and addicts all over the place out there...'

    Yeah -- but we could ameliorate this problem, if not solve it completely.

    For example, around here there's lot less work in the lumber mills than there used to be...and we've taken to simply exporting logs unfinished to the Far East. They'd rather provide work for their mill hands than for ours...

    So what if we jiggered our export regulations so unfinished logs cost enough to make it more profitable to buy the wood as finished lumber? Work for all those white people.

    Why let in immigrants to do gardening? Lots of whites will do it. Agricultural labor, etc.

    Bring in laws favoring small businesses. Lower taxes for income from the first brick 'n mortar site. Just tell Amazon they can't sell clothes. Go to Japan some time: the whole country is small businesses and small farms that have to be getting a helpful thumb on the scale somehow.

    Partly it's evolving technology -- but partly, it's also not giving a shit. We could make decent jobs for a lot more people than we do.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    We could make decent jobs for a lot more people than we do.

    Yes. bourgeois Americans can pay welfare via the cash register, or via government transfer payments; the former is more salutary.

    We also have a more fundamental problem. A retired relative volunteered for counseling work, getting trash people (ex-addicts, ex-cons) set up for jobs. He ended up quitting because he would go thru this incredible process of convincing somebody to give some tatted-up, pack-a-day-smoking loser a chance at some scrap metal or whatever business. First day of work, the poor loser doesn’t show up, went off the wagon the night before. Over and over, so he got tired of doing all this work for people who just did not give a hoot.

    The work ethic, sense of belonging, belief in the transcendent, is disappearing in the lower classes.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    '...The work ethic, sense of belonging, belief in the transcendent, is disappearing in the lower classes.'

    But which is cause and which is effect?

    Why have a work ethic when the plum job in town is some position with the state where you show up for eight hours each day and don't do anything egregiously inappropriate? Where downtown is a line of vacant storefronts that used to be jewelry stores, stationary stores, shoe stores, the independent department store?

    Etc. We seem to be incapable of perceiving the dystopia we're sinking into. Obviously, people aren't going to face facts and start doing exactly as I instruct -- but surely, we can do better than this. We could start revising the tax code, barring immigration, designing our tariffs to promote employment here, etc.

    We could try.

  83. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Elite overproduction informs much of what policies our elites support.

    But I don't think they are interested in more highly educated, highly skilled, highly accomplished people. What they like to call the 'meritocracy' is their name for what they really want: A new, permanent aristocracy made up of, well, them.

    Better to bring up the world's hoi polloi to a sufficient standard to wash away in a massive demographic tidal wave their only competition: white proles. These people are too reminiscent of themselves in the ( often, not distant) past, they are not sufficiently awed by the elites' increasingly meaningless credentials, they have seen our emperors at least half-naked and are not impressed.

    Better to import dusky peasants by the shipload- for the benefit of the elites' own posterity, not 'ours.' They've never been able to enjoy the increasing wealth imbalance as much as they could, what with mechanics and truck drivers seeming to enjoy their own lives oblivious to who is made mention on the News Hour. They were always envious of the totalitarian states' ability to crush their rivals, but also of the exquisite pleasure of being rich in the Third World, surrounded by abject misery and suffering. They don't give a fig about undereducated Africans, what bothers them is their fellow citizens who present a potential threat.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    I remember a comment thread on marginalrevolution.com, with all these bobos pondering over how to address service techs coming over to work on their HVAC or whatever. A certain class of people are extremely uncomfortable around workers who can speak their own language and ask them straight up if they caught the game last night–like they’re fellow citizens or something. They want deferential peasants who keep their eyes down and know only enough English to say “hello” and “thank you.”

    The assumption being that their precious oompa-loompas will gladly toil away as the dollar erodes, and revolutions and people being slaughtered in their beds just can’t happen here.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Great comment, A-G!

  84. @silviosilver
    @Mark G.

    I was referring to an actual war. You shoot the enemy's soldiers simply because they belong to the group "enemy soldiers." You don't pause to consider their personal qualities.

    But the same criticism applies to all forms of inter-group struggle, even when shooting isn't involved. You take your own side because it is your own side. Libertardians won't have a bar of it. They refuse to recognize that they even belong to a side. Useless creatures.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    But the same criticism applies to all forms of inter-group struggle, even when shooting isn’t involved. You take your own side because it is your own side. Libertardians won’t have a bar of it. They refuse to recognize that they even belong to a side.

    Libertarians belong to the side of the productive person who engages in voluntary transactions with others offering them goods or services they want in exchange for goods or services wanted in return. These can include Asian, black and Hispanic people. Since you don’t believe in that you want to substitute the use of force between people. You and others like you think in terms of war and killing others just on the basis of their race, like the Nazis, or class, like the Communists. You are just two sides of the same irrational collectivist coin.

    In the case of the racialist right they are useless because they are only capable of thinking in overly simplistic terms of “whites good, nonwhites bad”. This makes them oblivious that many of our problems are caused by parasitical corrupt white elites that have taken over the country. In order to correctly fight an enemy, you have to correctly identify an enemy. Only someone evil or confused engages in this type of misidentification of where our problems are. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Mark G.

    When you are being attacked by a collective, you need to respond as a collective. Libertardians can't bring themselves to see that this is occurring, so yes, you are completely useless.

    , @Alden
    @Mark G.

    LOL. try offering goods and services to your local gas&electric water and trash collection company in payment. Try offering goods and services to the bank to pay your mortgage.

    Your landlord might give you $200 a month off your $1,800 a month rent for gardening or hanging around to open the front door for idiots who forget their keys or cleaning up around the dumpster. Might

    Try negotiating for wages with an employer who has 1,500 equally qualified applicants for one job.

    As an employer try negotiating with a vicious arrogant AA black women to actually do some work a few hours a day. Try negotiating with a vicious arrogant black women you can’t fire because you’ll be sued for millions Try just even asking that black women to stop bullying arguing and fighting with other workers.

    Do libertarians actually work? Where do they live that they can obtain the necessities by exchanging goods and services?

    Replies: @Mark G.

  85. @Mark G.
    @silviosilver


    But the same criticism applies to all forms of inter-group struggle, even when shooting isn’t involved. You take your own side because it is your own side. Libertardians won’t have a bar of it. They refuse to recognize that they even belong to a side.

     

    Libertarians belong to the side of the productive person who engages in voluntary transactions with others offering them goods or services they want in exchange for goods or services wanted in return. These can include Asian, black and Hispanic people. Since you don't believe in that you want to substitute the use of force between people. You and others like you think in terms of war and killing others just on the basis of their race, like the Nazis, or class, like the Communists. You are just two sides of the same irrational collectivist coin.

    In the case of the racialist right they are useless because they are only capable of thinking in overly simplistic terms of "whites good, nonwhites bad". This makes them oblivious that many of our problems are caused by parasitical corrupt white elites that have taken over the country. In order to correctly fight an enemy, you have to correctly identify an enemy. Only someone evil or confused engages in this type of misidentification of where our problems are. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Alden

    When you are being attacked by a collective, you need to respond as a collective. Libertardians can’t bring themselves to see that this is occurring, so yes, you are completely useless.

  86. @anon
    Apparently the Buffalo shooter's manifesto has links to The Unz Review and VDare:

    https://twitter.com/cbliddell/status/1525678908271738880

    Replies: @Alden

    Hmmm Great minds think alike.

  87. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @TG

    It's not just cheap labor, it's also cheap consumption. Sam Walton's heirs pays taxes to the USG. The USG doles out welfare. The welfare recipients buy cheap Chinese crap from Walmart. And on and on. So bring in a barely literate Aztec worth $10/hr on the job market, give him and his brood AFDC and the EITC; add them to the dollar tsunami flowing into Wally World.

    Big Tech (propped up by the artificial scarcity from IP laws) gets paid by advertisers for eyeballs. It doesn't matter if the eyeballs belong to German immigrants with advanced engineering degrees or Liberian immigrants who do, literally, nothing (I've seen this).

    Pepsico is a big participant in USAID. They supply protein paste to USAID so the Horn of Africa can maintain 6.0 TFR. Pepsico is breeding customers. They can come here and spend money their AFDC and EITC dollars on Pepsico products even more efficiently.

    This is scale and churn on Satanic levels by people whose appetite for sheer human numbers is endless--it's never enough. It's probably a sociopathic disorder; Yglesias and the One-Billion-Americans crowd have a form of mania.

    Replies: @Alden

    Great post excellent the great circle of money going round and round. Welfare people go to Walmart to buy cheap Chinese crap with their EBT cards Walmart pays taxes so the government can dole out taxes to the welfare crowd.

    And the reversal of Roe vs Wade will add thousands of people on welfare to the population every year. More section 8 more low income utilities more free day care for women in retard job training programs and allegedly looking for work. And when the boy babies grow up thousands of criminals preying on the population and filling the criminal courts and jails. Or not maybe the Soros DAs will shut down the criminal justice system entirely

  88. @Mark G.
    @silviosilver


    But the same criticism applies to all forms of inter-group struggle, even when shooting isn’t involved. You take your own side because it is your own side. Libertardians won’t have a bar of it. They refuse to recognize that they even belong to a side.

     

    Libertarians belong to the side of the productive person who engages in voluntary transactions with others offering them goods or services they want in exchange for goods or services wanted in return. These can include Asian, black and Hispanic people. Since you don't believe in that you want to substitute the use of force between people. You and others like you think in terms of war and killing others just on the basis of their race, like the Nazis, or class, like the Communists. You are just two sides of the same irrational collectivist coin.

    In the case of the racialist right they are useless because they are only capable of thinking in overly simplistic terms of "whites good, nonwhites bad". This makes them oblivious that many of our problems are caused by parasitical corrupt white elites that have taken over the country. In order to correctly fight an enemy, you have to correctly identify an enemy. Only someone evil or confused engages in this type of misidentification of where our problems are. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Alden

    LOL. try offering goods and services to your local gas&electric water and trash collection company in payment. Try offering goods and services to the bank to pay your mortgage.

    Your landlord might give you \$200 a month off your \$1,800 a month rent for gardening or hanging around to open the front door for idiots who forget their keys or cleaning up around the dumpster. Might

    Try negotiating for wages with an employer who has 1,500 equally qualified applicants for one job.

    As an employer try negotiating with a vicious arrogant AA black women to actually do some work a few hours a day. Try negotiating with a vicious arrogant black women you can’t fire because you’ll be sued for millions Try just even asking that black women to stop bullying arguing and fighting with other workers.

    Do libertarians actually work? Where do they live that they can obtain the necessities by exchanging goods and services?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Alden


    As an employer try negotiating with a vicious arrogant AA black women to actually do some work a few hours a day. Try negotiating with a vicious arrogant black women you can’t fire because you’ll be sued for millions Try just even asking that black women to stop bullying arguing and fighting with other workers.

    Do libertarians actually work? Where do they live that they can obtain the necessities by exchanging goods and services?

     

    Alden, money is a good that people want so you can work for an employer, get money from that employer, and use it to buy what you want. Libertarians do not believe in eliminating money and using a barter system.

    In the case of affirmative action, that is a governmental interference in voluntary transactions between people. I completely agree with you that you should be able to hire and fire who you want to. I'm on your side on that issue and I don't know where you got the idea from what I said that I'm not.
  89. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Colin Wright

    We could make decent jobs for a lot more people than we do.

    Yes. bourgeois Americans can pay welfare via the cash register, or via government transfer payments; the former is more salutary.

    We also have a more fundamental problem. A retired relative volunteered for counseling work, getting trash people (ex-addicts, ex-cons) set up for jobs. He ended up quitting because he would go thru this incredible process of convincing somebody to give some tatted-up, pack-a-day-smoking loser a chance at some scrap metal or whatever business. First day of work, the poor loser doesn't show up, went off the wagon the night before. Over and over, so he got tired of doing all this work for people who just did not give a hoot.

    The work ethic, sense of belonging, belief in the transcendent, is disappearing in the lower classes.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘…The work ethic, sense of belonging, belief in the transcendent, is disappearing in the lower classes.’

    But which is cause and which is effect?

    Why have a work ethic when the plum job in town is some position with the state where you show up for eight hours each day and don’t do anything egregiously inappropriate? Where downtown is a line of vacant storefronts that used to be jewelry stores, stationary stores, shoe stores, the independent department store?

    Etc. We seem to be incapable of perceiving the dystopia we’re sinking into. Obviously, people aren’t going to face facts and start doing exactly as I instruct — but surely, we can do better than this. We could start revising the tax code, barring immigration, designing our tariffs to promote employment here, etc.

    We could try.

  90. @Alden
    @Mark G.

    LOL. try offering goods and services to your local gas&electric water and trash collection company in payment. Try offering goods and services to the bank to pay your mortgage.

    Your landlord might give you $200 a month off your $1,800 a month rent for gardening or hanging around to open the front door for idiots who forget their keys or cleaning up around the dumpster. Might

    Try negotiating for wages with an employer who has 1,500 equally qualified applicants for one job.

    As an employer try negotiating with a vicious arrogant AA black women to actually do some work a few hours a day. Try negotiating with a vicious arrogant black women you can’t fire because you’ll be sued for millions Try just even asking that black women to stop bullying arguing and fighting with other workers.

    Do libertarians actually work? Where do they live that they can obtain the necessities by exchanging goods and services?

    Replies: @Mark G.

    As an employer try negotiating with a vicious arrogant AA black women to actually do some work a few hours a day. Try negotiating with a vicious arrogant black women you can’t fire because you’ll be sued for millions Try just even asking that black women to stop bullying arguing and fighting with other workers.

    Do libertarians actually work? Where do they live that they can obtain the necessities by exchanging goods and services?

    Alden, money is a good that people want so you can work for an employer, get money from that employer, and use it to buy what you want. Libertarians do not believe in eliminating money and using a barter system.

    In the case of affirmative action, that is a governmental interference in voluntary transactions between people. I completely agree with you that you should be able to hire and fire who you want to. I’m on your side on that issue and I don’t know where you got the idea from what I said that I’m not.

  91. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I remember a comment thread on marginalrevolution.com, with all these bobos pondering over how to address service techs coming over to work on their HVAC or whatever. A certain class of people are extremely uncomfortable around workers who can speak their own language and ask them straight up if they caught the game last night--like they're fellow citizens or something. They want deferential peasants who keep their eyes down and know only enough English to say "hello" and "thank you."

    The assumption being that their precious oompa-loompas will gladly toil away as the dollar erodes, and revolutions and people being slaughtered in their beds just can't happen here.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Great comment, A-G!

  92. @Achmed E. Newman
    O/T, but I'm sure iSteve will have more posts on this story. In the comment thread on the Buffalo mass murder, Dr. X and a few other commenters suspect Fed involvement for many possible (and likely) political ends. Let me make a point in support of that.

    From the excerpts I read and my trusting of the accounts of commenters who have looked into these White mass killers, one could say that these are all reasonably bright guys, right? Then how come Dylann Roof murdered black churchgoers* in Charleston, SC, this Buffalo guy some innocent people at the grocery store, that guy in Pittsburg 11 synagogue-goers, etc, yet NONE of them made any effort to kill anyone who is actually evil and the cause of their problems, as per their manifestoes and what-have-you?

    I know, they haven't been following politics for 30-50 years like the MEN 'o UNZ have and analyzing the real evil behind our societal destruction. They seem bright enough to have a clue though, and it's not like getting at one of the real culprits is so difficult (especially if you are not planning on getting away).

    Is it that whoever had been behind the scenes planning these killings or at least encouraging these mentally unstable men wants the political fallout but not anyone important to get hurt?

    .

    * If it were one of those black "Reverends" that instigate racial trouble, that'd be more understandable.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Mark G., @Barnard, @dearieme, @Adam Smith, @Sollipsist

    1. The more intelligent you are, the more likely you are to be effective in achieving your goals. Whatever they are…

    2. Progress and relative affluence increase the general level of intelligence in the population (via education, nutrition, stability, etc)

    3. Accelerated change inevitably increases various stresses that exacerbate mental illness (faster pace, conflicting demands, upended values, overwhelming input via media and population density, etc etc)

    Therefore, by devoting ourselves to education and progress, we are actively creating more and better random killers.

    I would add without certainty that the bulk of those killers will, at least for the time being, be white… simply because not only do whites have a generally higher average level of intelligence, but white culture is far more outwardly focused. In other words, ignorant and crazy non-whites are more likely to kill each other, and intelligent and crazy non-whites are more likely to kill themselves (although this is equalizing quickly) for the same basic psychological or cultural reason that whites are more likely to want to HELP non-whites.

    Outward hostility may actually be a predictable by-product of outward altruism. Charity begins at home.

  93. @silviosilver
    @Twinkie


    Where?
     
    Right here: We have calculated the economic value of erasing the learning deficits through actions to bring all youth up to basic skill levels (see table). …

    Actions which, as I said, are presumably known to achieve the desired effect.

    But perhaps you're right. Perhaps they don't presume it, and this was just a dreamy thought experiment. "Sigh, wouldn't it be wonderful if we could employ a set of actions known to bring all youth up to basic skill levels? Alas..."

    Replies: @Twinkie

    It seems to me the authors are tabulating the overall cost of the skill deficit far more than they are advocating that such deficits would be easy to reduce. So not something “lying on the sidewalk.”

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