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The late historian Paul Johnson explained Picasso’s secret sauce with gay art critics and dealers: Picasso was muy macho, but in the Mediterranean mode, and was not above rewarding a good review personally. Johnson explicated:
His appeal to homosexuals, especially those who enjoyed the passive role, was even stronger; he seemed a small, fierce, thrusting tiger of virility. Picasso himself was overwhelmingly heterosexual by inclination. But in the culture from which he sprang there was no disgrace to his manhood in taking the active role to satisfy a needy ‘queen,’ to use his expression.
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Basquiat was supposedly very well endowed. The actual paintings these two produced are plainly terrible.
Still, aren’t we lucky we have these fabulously tasteful homosexuals through which to interpret culture. Truly the exemplars of our age, of whom we need much more of on television.
Don’t let anyone tell you the Arabs didn’t influence Spanish culture.
2) Arab men can sneak up easier, because Thobes don't have zippers.
3) A camel with one hump can go four months without water, but a man cannot go four months without one hump!Seriously, the fine arts are dominated by male homosexuals, just like ballet. In fairness, female homosexuals have softball and Chipotle.Replies: @slumber_j
I knew a Philippine whose aunt was born on Christmas Eve, and named Jesusa. He was also born on that date, and was spared that fate. But he did get a Christian name; his siblings were given pretentious classical Greek monikers.
We shy away from it, but Araby and cultures it influenced don't have a problem with the name Jesus. He's a mere prophet. (Heck, the most common name, not only among them, but in the whole world, is taken from The prophet.)
I also knew a Somali who changed his middle or last name-- they use patronymics, so I'm not sure which it was-- from their version of Adam to their version of Jesus.Replies: @Dumbo, @slumber_j, @epebble
Funny how an Englishman looks down on Mediterranean sexual mores. After all, England is the epicenter of modern homosexuality in the West. It all starts in the public schools then becomes entrenched in Oxford and Cambridge, where sodomy runs rampant. From there, it permeates to all of society. The difference is that their brand of homosexuality is more egalitarian, where poofters switch roles as the situation requires.
Sorry, this sounds like pure Paul Johnson horseshit.
Picasso is garbage. He was to the great white middle-classes the first artist they had to pretend to like despite the obvious ugliness. The pressure from above was too high, there was no chance of looking like an intellectual otherwise (a middle class white person’s greatest wish), so they dutifully went to museums, stood in front of what looked like the work of a schizophrenic child and said things about “use of color” that they hoped sounded right.
There are three ways to evaluate art.
1. Is it difficult to do? Is it an impressive skill that took years to master? (answer: nope)
2 Is it beautiful? (nope)
2. Is it clever? Is there a genuinely new idea that gets expressed? (most definitely nope)
Picasso fails on all counts. There’s no hidden value in there, nothing that’s “deep, man” when viewed with the right education. Ignore the talking homos. It’s so self evidently awful that the “good dick” theory is probably closest to the truth.
https://www.unz.com/ldinh/white-flight-hemingways-the-short-happy-life-of-francis-macomber/?showcomments#comment-4597575
They were there for what, 700 years?
Everyone knows it’s not gay if you’re the giver!
There are infinite jokes about bottoms, but nothing about tops. Men who like the insertive role are only " men who like to fuck faggots". As said by Johnson top men don't have their masculine honor at risk.Replies: @Feryl
I’ve heard that as long as the balls aren’t touching, it’s not gay.
I read Paul Johnson’s wonderful Birth of the Modern a year or two ago and would read more. Where does this quotation come from?
Fortunately, my culture is superior. (Well used to be.)
The ancient Romans had no word for “homosexual” but had an endless repertoire of ribald jokes about the passive male partner in such enterprises. Roman law even allowed the aggrieved husband to sodomize a man convicted of raping his wife, retaliation in kind for this offense against his property rights.
A lot of “art” is frankly b.s. Not that there isn’t talent or some expression. But overall, it just isn’t very interesting stuff. Cultural noise.
If Shakespeare did not exist, we’d actually be poorer for it, although I basically never sit down and read the guy anymore. Likewise, without Beethoven we’d be poorer.
Without Picasso … LOL. Who cares. Who would even notice?
The idea that there are these hyped “artists” are some sort of gift to humanity that we’re all supposed to swoon over … a joke. No actually an insult to people who actually get up in the morning and do useful work and enjoy their lives, their families. No, it’s a scam that happens to appeal to women and queers and lets the “artist” bang a bunch of women and/or queers (according to their preference).
I don't know why, but for some reason, art appreciation, sort of of like fashion, fine wines, eclectic home decorating, and listening to bizarre music, always attracts a weird following, and trends toward the fruitcakes of society.
"True Art" requires no explanation, it doesn't need to be interpreted, and it doesn't need a cult following of weirdos, who feel themselves on "the inside of the scene" to worship it.
Basically, if some schizoid weirdo needs to explain it, it's not actually good art.
Art appreciating weirdos, skew the view of art, until it all becomes absurd, and dominated by fruits and queers.
And if you don't think Picasso created masterpieces, check out this lithograph (a medium in which he specialized):
https://www.artsy.net/artwork/pablo-picasso-jacqueline-de-profil-a-droite-2
Prankster cartoonist.
If Shakespeare did not exist, we'd actually be poorer for it, although I basically never sit down and read the guy anymore. Likewise, without Beethoven we'd be poorer.
Without Picasso ... LOL. Who cares. Who would even notice?
The idea that there are these hyped "artists" are some sort of gift to humanity that we're all supposed to swoon over ... a joke. No actually an insult to people who actually get up in the morning and do useful work and enjoy their lives, their families. No, it's a scam that happens to appeal to women and queers and lets the "artist" bang a bunch of women and/or queers (according to their preference).Replies: @MGB, @Dr. Rock, @Emblematic, @Meretricious
I like some of his work, but, yes, meh, who would miss him. As others have said:
I thought it was Wolfe who gave us the quote, “imagination without skill . …” Glad I looked it up before I gave Wolfe the credit.
I mean, it’s not like there’s anything important going on in the world. Let’s talk about Picasso’s butt-pokery.
“ But in the culture from which he sprang there was no disgrace to his manhood in taking the active role to satisfy a needy ‘queen,’ to use his expression.”
Wait, Paul Johnson seriously thought this is an integral part of Spanish culture? Is that an artifact of old Northern European stereotypes about those dusky, mysterious little Southrons? Richard Wagner famously expressed offense about Verdi writing serious operas. He thought Italians are too frivolous and easy-going by nature for that, and therefore should stick to light comical operas.
The drag queen activist movement in the United States has been dominated by Hispanics since the very beginning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Rivera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Borjas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Shangay_Lily
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adela_Vázquez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_Noyola
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandra_Caraballo
By no means an exhaustive list.
22% of Latino millennials are LGBT:
https://www.thepinknews.com/2018/08/13/22-percent-latino-millennials-lgbt/Replies: @AnotherDad
If Shakespeare did not exist, we'd actually be poorer for it, although I basically never sit down and read the guy anymore. Likewise, without Beethoven we'd be poorer.
Without Picasso ... LOL. Who cares. Who would even notice?
The idea that there are these hyped "artists" are some sort of gift to humanity that we're all supposed to swoon over ... a joke. No actually an insult to people who actually get up in the morning and do useful work and enjoy their lives, their families. No, it's a scam that happens to appeal to women and queers and lets the "artist" bang a bunch of women and/or queers (according to their preference).Replies: @MGB, @Dr. Rock, @Emblematic, @Meretricious
There’s a further distinction between “art”, and “art appreciation”.
I don’t know why, but for some reason, art appreciation, sort of of like fashion, fine wines, eclectic home decorating, and listening to bizarre music, always attracts a weird following, and trends toward the fruitcakes of society.
“True Art” requires no explanation, it doesn’t need to be interpreted, and it doesn’t need a cult following of weirdos, who feel themselves on “the inside of the scene” to worship it.
Basically, if some schizoid weirdo needs to explain it, it’s not actually good art.
Art appreciating weirdos, skew the view of art, until it all becomes absurd, and dominated by fruits and queers.
Does anyone, apart from the very narrow circle of Modern Art pushers, really care ? I don’t think so. Even they have moved on – to even less talented ” artists”. The oligarchs and speculators who buy his works are only interested in them as objects of speculation. He’s also very last century.
On a slightly related topic, Russian troops have apparently removed many art works from Kherson during their withdrawal. This also include other items, such as the remains of Prince Potemkin entombed in Kherson Cathedral. Most of them have been sent to Simferopol in Crimea for safekeeping. Needless to say the American Lugenpresse is saying that this is looting, rather than protecting the works from damage and real looting. A similar line was used about the children evacuated from Ukraine to those children’s camps in Russia. So no change there.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-stealing-art-ukraine-nazi-level-world-war-2-rcna77879
Picasso’s paintings always looked like crap to me. Just another talentless jerk that the effete art establishment has elevated to prominence by saying “Hey, look at this crap……..this is art, because we say so.”
Art is just another field that has become almost wholly fake. There is something suspect about an endeavor in which the supposed quality of it is based on it’s provenance. If it turned out tomorrow that any given painting by Picasso was not done by Picasso, but rather painted by some obscure impostor, the value of the that painting would plummet. However, if it turned out that a piece of music by Beethoven or Brahms or any another notable composer was not written by them but by an impostor, it would still keep its place in the classical repertoire.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/PicassoGuernica.jpgReplies: @Kylie, @Gunnar von Cowtown, @Alden, @Right_On
Wait, Paul Johnson seriously thought this is an integral part of Spanish culture? Is that an artifact of old Northern European stereotypes about those dusky, mysterious little Southrons? Richard Wagner famously expressed offense about Verdi writing serious operas. He thought Italians are too frivolous and easy-going by nature for that, and therefore should stick to light comical operas.Replies: @dearieme, @Anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Tom F.
He was probably influenced by his knowledge of Ancient Greek culture. I mean, basically they are all dagos, aren’t they?
What an insult to people (and tigers) who are actually strong, fierce, and seemingly heterosexual.
Wait, Paul Johnson seriously thought this is an integral part of Spanish culture? Is that an artifact of old Northern European stereotypes about those dusky, mysterious little Southrons? Richard Wagner famously expressed offense about Verdi writing serious operas. He thought Italians are too frivolous and easy-going by nature for that, and therefore should stick to light comical operas.Replies: @dearieme, @Anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Tom F.
There is no disgrace in being a “queen” either in that culture. There is a long tradition of drag queenism in Hispanics.
The drag queen activist movement in the United States has been dominated by Hispanics since the very beginning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Rivera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Borjas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Shangay_Lily
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adela_Vázquez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_Noyola
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandra_Caraballo
By no means an exhaustive list.
22% of Latino millennials are LGBT:
https://www.thepinknews.com/2018/08/13/22-percent-latino-millennials-lgbt/
And off this topic but on the biggest one of the day;
Why you shouldn’t fuck with Russia:
https://sputnikglobe.com/20230404/video-man-survives-fall-from-19-floor-in-voronezh-russia-just-stands-up-and-walks-to-ambulance-1109107924.html
If you do have to fall from the 19th floor, a car roof is probably the best thing to fall onto. It collapses under you, but not too quickly, which is exactly what you need to have a chance of survival.
In the 1970s a man jumped from a high window and killed a woman passenger in a soft-roofed car passing beneath.
coming up on 30 years after Kurt Cobain offed himself. going by the number of Nirvana shirts i see these days, could be a bigger deal this time around than last. interest in them seems to have exploded over the last 10 years, probably an internet thing. their popularity was declining at the 20 year mark.
Go ahead and try to resist this latest Steve Sailer post, Red Scare girls. You can’t.
Although Paul Johnson is a reputable historian, this theory seems to lack detail.
Since I suspect Picasso’s life has likely been examined in great detail (letters, personal acquaintance bios, etc.) I would think there should be some related confirmation of this “gay art media” theory.
Also, as he in later years was homely, you have to wonder how his personal charms could have been employed even when young?
And how his strategy here was unique to him and not to the many other young artists of his era.
If “good reviews” by gay art world reviewers and critics are ready vehicles for career advancement, even by non gay artists, it would seem that the world would be filled with Picasso style famous artists, even during his early years. Were bottom queens the majority of art critics?
I don’t discount the Gay Mafia theory here, but he would also have had a lot of competition even doing that. Johnson’s theory here could just be sour grapes by less successful contemporaries.
When he would drive down their street in his Eldorado.
He could walk down the street
and girls could not resist his stare.
Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole --
not like you."Well he was only five foot three
but girls could not resist his stare.
Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole --
not in New York."https://youtu.be/Kc2iLAubrasReplies: @Reg Cæsar
Picasshole was a filthy wop, and his paintings suck.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iRlGD1-KZss
If Shakespeare did not exist, we'd actually be poorer for it, although I basically never sit down and read the guy anymore. Likewise, without Beethoven we'd be poorer.
Without Picasso ... LOL. Who cares. Who would even notice?
The idea that there are these hyped "artists" are some sort of gift to humanity that we're all supposed to swoon over ... a joke. No actually an insult to people who actually get up in the morning and do useful work and enjoy their lives, their families. No, it's a scam that happens to appeal to women and queers and lets the "artist" bang a bunch of women and/or queers (according to their preference).Replies: @MGB, @Dr. Rock, @Emblematic, @Meretricious
Life is more than just doing useful work and enjoying life and family. It’s also a profound mystery. Once upon a time it was religion that connected the inner, instinctual experience of being alive with the big, cosmic mystery. Without that connection, life can seem dead. A noisy and meaningless sequence of events. But now, in the secular age, organised religion for most people no provides this rhapsody. What then can do the job?
Great art can re-light that spark of awe and make the world seem deeply meaningful again. But notice something about truly great art. It doesn’t try to manipulate you. It isn’t political or didactic, it isn’t merely charming. It isn’t ‘clever’. It’s self-luminous. It just sits there and radiates some aspect of the power or mystery of life itself.
It’s a pity that a lot of the pretentious nonsense of modern art has ruined the reputation of art for many people and denied them its life-deepening benefits.
Of course aptitudes vary. You could put a truly wondrous work of artistic genius in front of some people and they’d just stand there unmoved, staring at it like a moo cow.
Wait, Paul Johnson seriously thought this is an integral part of Spanish culture? Is that an artifact of old Northern European stereotypes about those dusky, mysterious little Southrons? Richard Wagner famously expressed offense about Verdi writing serious operas. He thought Italians are too frivolous and easy-going by nature for that, and therefore should stick to light comical operas.Replies: @dearieme, @Anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Tom F.
... Shekhar Kapur.
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Incidentally, I don't agree that it was the most ethnocentric movie ever made. It was perhaps most _____-centric movie ever made, but not ethno-centric. Maybe gynarcho-centric.Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @Jenner Ickham Errican
Amusingly, this “most ethnocentric movie ever made” was made by “that old Anglo ‘almost chosen’” …
… Shekhar Kapur.
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Incidentally, I don’t agree that it was the most ethnocentric movie ever made. It was perhaps most _____-centric movie ever made, but not ethno-centric. Maybe gynarcho-centric.
this is an absurdly dumb take.
perhaps the reason paul johnson was so prolific is not because he had thousands of interesting insights but because he was talking out of his ass and didn’t care how accurate he was.
you know, christopher hitchens had multiple contracts with weekly and monthly word counts. he did them all drunk and hungover and certainly did publish a lot of decently written opinions. he also didn’t care if he was talking out of his ass, which is certainly freeing for a writer.
Perhaps the explanation of Pablo Picasso’s quixotry can be found in something he said to the writer Giovanni Papini in 1952:
... Shekhar Kapur.
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Incidentally, I don't agree that it was the most ethnocentric movie ever made. It was perhaps most _____-centric movie ever made, but not ethno-centric. Maybe gynarcho-centric.Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @Jenner Ickham Errican
It’s a well-crafted, entertaining film but they lost it over emphasizing the triangle between Raleigh (played by Clive “Warren” — allusion to the long-running joke on the animated Ricky Gervais show), Elizabeth, and her cute chick handmaiden. The real juice in the tale is John Dee’s plot to create a goddess cult around the unmarried and barren Elizabeth in order to consolidate power; in order to create a strong egregore to protect Protestant England against the power of Spain and the Church. I would’ve jettisoned the dreary soap opera and focused on the machinations of Dee and Francis Walsingham, and the concept that Protestantism is basically crypto Judaism. But I would’ve lost Cate Blanchett, a stellar talent.
I remember calling the movie "Oliver Stone's Elizabeth."Replies: @Wielgus
Her successor, James, was a big hater of witchcraft and persecutor of witches. I've wondered in the past if these things were related.
If Shakespeare did not exist, we'd actually be poorer for it, although I basically never sit down and read the guy anymore. Likewise, without Beethoven we'd be poorer.
Without Picasso ... LOL. Who cares. Who would even notice?
The idea that there are these hyped "artists" are some sort of gift to humanity that we're all supposed to swoon over ... a joke. No actually an insult to people who actually get up in the morning and do useful work and enjoy their lives, their families. No, it's a scam that happens to appeal to women and queers and lets the "artist" bang a bunch of women and/or queers (according to their preference).Replies: @MGB, @Dr. Rock, @Emblematic, @Meretricious
AD, while Picasso may not have had the canvas-to-masterpiece ratio of a Leonardo, he was still a genius–and a major innovator. His artistic footprint was left in painting, sculpture, filmmaking, photography, ceramics, printmaking. He cofounded the Cubist movement, the invention of constructed sculpture, and the coinvented collage.
And if you don’t think Picasso created masterpieces, check out this lithograph (a medium in which he specialized):
https://www.artsy.net/artwork/pablo-picasso-jacqueline-de-profil-a-droite-2
1) Camels are called ‘ships of the desert’ because they are usually full of Arabian semen.
2) Arab men can sneak up easier, because Thobes don’t have zippers.
3) A camel with one hump can go four months without water, but a man cannot go four months without one hump!
Seriously, the fine arts are dominated by male homosexuals, just like ballet. In fairness, female homosexuals have softball and Chipotle.
While I am in fact convinced of the superiority of Anglo-Saxon over Hispanic culture, as can be observed from comparing the relative wealth on each side of the Rio Grande, as well as the number of books published in English and Spanish, it must be admitted the Brits have their own…vices in this regard.
... Shekhar Kapur.
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Incidentally, I don't agree that it was the most ethnocentric movie ever made. It was perhaps most _____-centric movie ever made, but not ethno-centric. Maybe gynarcho-centric.Replies: @Corpse Tooth, @Jenner Ickham Errican
L—R : 😉
“Spooky lady watches boats crash, awesome”
“Incidentally, I don’t agree that it was the most ethnocentric movie ever made. It was perhaps most _____-centric movie ever made, but not ethno-centric. Maybe gynarcho-centric.”
“The wogsby ghinnat Calais”
Wait, Paul Johnson seriously thought this is an integral part of Spanish culture? Is that an artifact of old Northern European stereotypes about those dusky, mysterious little Southrons? Richard Wagner famously expressed offense about Verdi writing serious operas. He thought Italians are too frivolous and easy-going by nature for that, and therefore should stick to light comical operas.Replies: @dearieme, @Anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Tom F.
Not a bad strategy, who is really going to defend Spanish culture? Anyway, there are four steps to the homosexualization of the West. 1) destigmatizing; 2) normalizing; 3) affirmation; 4) celebration. Is there really a gap between Picasso and Bud Light?
Ben Bradlee, RIP 2014, former editor of the WaPo told a story about being a war correspondent and drinking wine with other ‘journalists’ in Paris. The evening winding down, the bill came and nobody reached for it. They determined they couldn’t pay it, between them. Pablo Picasso was seated nearby, called the server over, and signed a napkin by way of paying the reporters’ bill. Bradlee told that story, literally dining out on it. Not sure he understood his story demonstrated that journalists were held in lower regard than artists.
Lastly, I see what Steve Sailer did there…
Bon appetit!
Bram Stroker (Dracula) thought Lizzy I was a male in drag.
I’m afraid John Dee is mostly of interest to those of us who love Shakespeare, go to Renaissance faires, or always played wizards in Dungeons & Dragons. But hey, I’ve always wanted to know what he was about with Monas Hieroglyphica myself.
Nobody in Christendom names his son Jesus– unless he speaks Spanish!
I knew a Philippine whose aunt was born on Christmas Eve, and named Jesusa. He was also born on that date, and was spared that fate. But he did get a Christian name; his siblings were given pretentious classical Greek monikers.
We shy away from it, but Araby and cultures it influenced don’t have a problem with the name Jesus. He’s a mere prophet. (Heck, the most common name, not only among them, but in the whole world, is taken from The prophet.)
I also knew a Somali who changed his middle or last name– they use patronymics, so I’m not sure which it was– from their version of Adam to their version of Jesus.
If you want extremely ardent Catholicism, Seville's the place for you, particularly now during Holy Week.
https://youtu.be/bOb2X1cM-qM?t=18Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Very common name among Arab Christians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issa_(name)
Still, aren't we lucky we have these fabulously tasteful homosexuals through which to interpret culture. Truly the exemplars of our age, of whom we need much more of on television.Replies: @Mike Conrad
Basquiat, Picasso, and Warhol are probably the artists most incomprehensible to the masses. A good case can be made for Rothko too. NB: TV won’t help you.
Is this a belated April Fools’ joke?
Whatever else he was — and I don’t care much for his art, except for the very early more realistic work — I don’t think Picasso was a homosexual, much less that in “Spanish culture” they think that a little active buggery is fine. No! They are not English!
(Perhaps Johnson was mistaking it for his own upbringing in English posh private schools.)
I knew a Philippine whose aunt was born on Christmas Eve, and named Jesusa. He was also born on that date, and was spared that fate. But he did get a Christian name; his siblings were given pretentious classical Greek monikers.
We shy away from it, but Araby and cultures it influenced don't have a problem with the name Jesus. He's a mere prophet. (Heck, the most common name, not only among them, but in the whole world, is taken from The prophet.)
I also knew a Somali who changed his middle or last name-- they use patronymics, so I'm not sure which it was-- from their version of Adam to their version of Jesus.Replies: @Dumbo, @slumber_j, @epebble
I think it’s mostly Mexicans and Central Americans tend to use the Jesus as a first name. In Spain it is less common, at least as a first name — it may be used as a second name, as Juan de Jesus (John of Jesus) or Maria de Jesus etc.
Bonus fun Spanish naming fact: in Andalusia at least, pretty much all women are named María Something, with many going by their second name for differentiation. (The not-uncommon female name Amparo for example is derived from María de los Desamparados. Mila is from María de la Medalla Milagrosa.) So, amusingly, the slang expression for a few random women in Spain is algunas Marías.
Spain is not Mexico.
Lol. That was far from my most midwit take.
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“Wogsby Ghinnat Calley” is even better than “Jenner Ickham Errican”.
Not to sound callous, but wogs begin at Calais, Maine.Remind your sniffy Canadian friends of this.
Oh, well, we could always talk about how blacks are inferior because of statistics. Now that’s important.
I am a fan of the ‘confession’, but the ‘sincere’ confession of a fraudster is unsatisfying. Didn’t another artist, Jerzy Kosinski, confess to his fraudulent holocaust narrative. ‘What did the Poles do for the Jews? Well, what did the Jews do for the Poles?’ Something like that in his later years.
“Great art can re-light that spark of awe and make the world seem deeply meaningful again. But notice something about truly great art. It doesn’t try to manipulate you. It isn’t political or didactic, it isn’t merely charming. It isn’t ‘clever’. It’s self-luminous. It just sits there and radiates some aspect of the power or mystery of life itself.”
Rothko. I seldom respond to visual arts the way I do to music, which to me, is the nearest thing to heaven. But Rothko’s later work moves me profoundly. I have no idea why. I don’t understand it and can’t explain it.
Now for the opposite end of the spectrum. Even as a naive teen, I suspected that most of the hoopla surrounding Picasso had more to do with his seemingly screwing everything with a pulse rather than with his “artistry” or “genius”.
Why you shouldn't fuck with Russia:https://sputnikglobe.com/20230404/video-man-survives-fall-from-19-floor-in-voronezh-russia-just-stands-up-and-walks-to-ambulance-1109107924.htmlReplies: @David Jones, @YetAnotherAnon, @fredyetagain aka superhonky
Probably well anaesthetised before he fell.
If you do have to fall from the 19th floor, a car roof is probably the best thing to fall onto. It collapses under you, but not too quickly, which is exactly what you need to have a chance of survival.
Art is just another field that has become almost wholly fake. There is something suspect about an endeavor in which the supposed quality of it is based on it's provenance. If it turned out tomorrow that any given painting by Picasso was not done by Picasso, but rather painted by some obscure impostor, the value of the that painting would plummet. However, if it turned out that a piece of music by Beethoven or Brahms or any another notable composer was not written by them but by an impostor, it would still keep its place in the classical repertoire.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @VinnyVette, @martin_2
Guernica did a great deal for PP’s reputation.
Agreed. Back in 1973, my Spanish teacher was a tiny, elegant woman from Madrid. Under her expert tutelage, we read Don Quixote, La vida es sueño and lots of Spanish poetry. It is thanks to her that I can appreciate literature in two languages.
She showed us a short film, I believe, about Picasso's Guernica with none of the enthusiasm she displayed for, say, one of Bécquer's Rimas. My impression was that as a patriotic Spaniard, she was proud of Guernica's reputation without being thrilled by the painting itself.Replies: @Alden, @J.Ross
Yeah, I remember that movie. Especially the assassination attempt against Elizabeth when she was in a boat. Was that historical? It certainly allowed putting some graphical violence into this film.
I remember calling the movie “Oliver Stone’s Elizabeth.”
“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”?
I personally don’t feel the Mona Lisa is all that great, her poor left hand and awkward smile. Here is a nice portrait that shows two little fat cherubs.. https://www.walksinsideflorence.it/the-mystery-of-the-madonna-and-the-ufo.html Only one dying by a cross. A person in the background and some strange symbol about it. Thirteen little white dots or stars below. The artist must have thought it up.
Some of Picassos works are interesting but I prefer other styles.
“Well, the girls would turn the color of an avocado
When he would drive down their street in his Eldorado.
He could walk down the street
and girls could not resist his stare.
Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole —
not like you.
“Well he was only five foot three
but girls could not resist his stare.
Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole —
not in New York.”
I’m reminded of a scene in a movie or TV show, I don’t recall which.
There is the usual group of snooty art aficionados, touring some hot, new gallery, and finding their usual manufactured ways to find everything fascinating, or powerful, or whatever… interpreting everything they see, and assigning their arcane interpretations to it all.
Then they happen upon a single, plain chair, sitting in the open, with a hat on it, nothing more. They muse for a couple of minutes about what it means, what it’s saying, the thought behind it, etc. Then, a black security guard comes over, and reaches for the chair. Aghast, the art watchers, begin to scold him for assaulting this amazing display, “How dare you!? kind of screeds. He replies that “it is his chair”, to which they ask, “are you the artist?”, he says “no, it’s my chair” then he slides it over to the wall, and sits on it, and continues being the security guard for the art show.
Point being, these artsy fartsy dorks, can see “art” where there is none, and conversely, think that some jewish faggot placing a snickers bar in a jar of piss, is the greatest thing they have ever seen.
Basically, they are trained seal idiots; Told what is art, and what isn’t, told what to think, trained to regurgitate, whatever they are fed.
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“Guernica did a great deal for PP’s reputation.”
Agreed. Back in 1973, my Spanish teacher was a tiny, elegant woman from Madrid. Under her expert tutelage, we read Don Quixote, La vida es sueño and lots of Spanish poetry. It is thanks to her that I can appreciate literature in two languages.
She showed us a short film, I believe, about Picasso’s Guernica with none of the enthusiasm she displayed for, say, one of Bécquer’s Rimas. My impression was that as a patriotic Spaniard, she was proud of Guernica’s reputation without being thrilled by the painting itself.
Same old same old liberal propaganda. Liberals do it all the time like two years of riots and insanity about the overdose of career criminal George Floyd.
George Floyd’s hideous face does look like something from a Picasso. Some kind of minotaur.
Almost anything is.
Not to sound callous, but wogs begin at Calais, Maine.
Remind your sniffy Canadian friends of this.
At least Picasso had an original thought, and wasn’t considered an avant- guard genius for painting cans of Campbells soup. Like a certain bleach blonde skinny freak.
“Creators”
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In Leeds, UK, there was a hotel (The Queens?) immediately outside the railway station.
In the 1970s a man jumped from a high window and killed a woman passenger in a soft-roofed car passing beneath.
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How do the same people who take this “art” seriously dismiss the classical mastery of Frank Frazetta?
Or Art Frahm.
When he would drive down their street in his Eldorado.
He could walk down the street
and girls could not resist his stare.
Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole --
not like you."Well he was only five foot three
but girls could not resist his stare.
Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole --
not in New York."https://youtu.be/Kc2iLAubrasReplies: @Reg Cæsar
Richman invented hip hop?
A Mick would, wouldn’t he? He hailed from Clontarf, which is making me thirsty. Just three more days of Lent…
I am Hispanic of Spanish descent, whose family has lived in the Western Hemisphere for only a century, and this is the first I’ve heard of this. It was never mentioned in my family, even in whispers. No real linguistic differentiation exists within common parlance when it comes to “catching” and “pitching” in Spanish, either as a proper term or insult. I believe this man is in error.
If a peninsular wishes to chime in, and I am wrong, then I am willing to concede.
Much more important than that poseur Picasso –
This week is also the 50th anniversary of the first-ever hand-held mobile phone call ever, by Chicago-born Martin Cooper of Motorola, on a prototype Motorola DynaTAC … Marty made that first call to his rival at Bell Labs to gloat LOL … the great inventor will be 95 in December
one of the few original prototype phones still in existence, signed by Cooper
There are three ways to evaluate art.
1. Is it difficult to do? Is it an impressive skill that took years to master? (answer: nope)
2 Is it beautiful? (nope)
2. Is it clever? Is there a genuinely new idea that gets expressed? (most definitely nope)
Picasso fails on all counts. There's no hidden value in there, nothing that's "deep, man" when viewed with the right education. Ignore the talking homos. It's so self evidently awful that the "good dick" theory is probably closest to the truth.Replies: @Curmudgeon, @Legba, @CCG
Indeed, I thought the headline – “The 50th Anniversary of Picasso’s Death” – was a call to celebrate the end of his influence … or is it effluent?
My second job at fifteen was in an art studio on North Lincoln Ave. Chicago. I suppose I was a fairly naive young man because I was surprised at the preponderance of homosexuals in the “art community.” I do not recall being hit on but I may have been oblivious to that stuff.
As a student research assistant I had a cubicle to work in (and an electric calculator, a real thing back then!) in which a borrowed Picasso colored pencil and ink drawing was hung.
Some wealthy school supporter lent out art for such things. It was probably pretty valuable, though not too big.
Initially I ignored it as it was many colored lines, triangles and such. Some colored in. It was pretty in an abstract sense.
But the longer I worked there, the more I came to like it. It grew on me over time.
I would have preferred that famous portrait photo of a smiling Farrah Fawcett in a bathing suit. But alas, Picasso had to suffice. Probably got more work done…
There has been no real advancement or innovation in music since circa 1986. Early-Mid 80’s stuff like New Wave, Synth-pop, Rap, and 80’s metal all took prior musical forms and sort of played with them and mutated them. But virtually everything made post-1986 largely repeats what has already been done before. There’s an argument to be made that the post-Boomer generations, by the time they reached their 20’s, were thoroughly entrenched in neo-liberal post-modern despair and irony, and simply can’t be motivated to have their own ideas.
With Picasso and his ilk, it’s really just a question of scale as to what is healthy and tolerable, and for how long, and under what circumstances. Anybody can be sympathized with for disliking Picasso, or Modernism in general, but it served necessary purposes in the context of early 20th century art history.
The big problem with Modernism was that, once the experiment had run its course and the new lessons learned (let’s say the arc from Cubism through Ab-Ex and ending roughly with the early post-modernism of Warhol and Jasper Johns), the art world should then have said Okay enough, we tried all that, now let’s incorporate what we learned into our ancient more grounded traditions. Instead, because there was so much money in what had become a racket, we got grifters like Tracey Emin and Julian Schnabel.
Basically the Modernists were saying 2 important things:
1) We can’t just go on painting exquisite Barbizon landscapes and rewriting Dickens over and over again, and
2) As much as the 19th century produced very grand things, there were elements of art and of consciousness, which with few exceptions (Wagner is one major exception) that they were incapable of seeing or expressing, partly because the Machine Age, technology, and the changes in the scale of war had altered the fabric of consciousness in unexpected ways.
For the 20th century Sir Walter Scott is full of ripping yarns but has nothing to say about modern consciousness; whereas Musil and Joyce and Brecht sorta do.
It all would have worked out fine if artists had said, “Well, that was a quite a 50-year joyride! But now let’s go back to honing basic skills.”
“How do the same people who take this ‘art’ seriously dismiss the classical mastery of Frank Frazetta?”
Or Art Frahm.
7 years ago today, Merle Ronald Haggard, the living embodiment of the American experience and the greatest American musician ever, died on his 79th birthday.
This week is also the 50th anniversary of the first-ever hand-held mobile phone call ever, by Chicago-born Martin Cooper of Motorola, on a prototype Motorola DynaTAC ... Marty made that first call to his rival at Bell Labs to gloat LOL ... the great inventor will be 95 in December
https://i.postimg.cc/YCYdgPvP/1973-1st-mobile-phone-call.jpg
one of the few original prototype phones still in existence, signed by Cooper
https://i.postimg.cc/XJ9zKjxT/1st-mobile-phone-dynatac-prototype-1973.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/XNQZjwky/1st-mobiles-martin-cooper-motorola.jpgReplies: @Intelligent Dasein, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Ralph L
Now, if you really want to talk about who’s responsible for all those increased traffic deaths…
Agreed. Back in 1973, my Spanish teacher was a tiny, elegant woman from Madrid. Under her expert tutelage, we read Don Quixote, La vida es sueño and lots of Spanish poetry. It is thanks to her that I can appreciate literature in two languages.
She showed us a short film, I believe, about Picasso's Guernica with none of the enthusiasm she displayed for, say, one of Bécquer's Rimas. My impression was that as a patriotic Spaniard, she was proud of Guernica's reputation without being thrilled by the painting itself.Replies: @Alden, @J.Ross
Guernica was communist propaganda painted by the life long communist Pablo Picasso. It wasn’t the Nationalist heroes who bombed Guernica from the air. It was the Russians who set off bombs on the ground. And murdered the communist Spaniards of Guernica. For the purpose of creating a fake atrocity to be blamed on the Nationalists. At least the Russian communists killed hundreds of Spanish communists in Guernica.
Same old same old liberal propaganda. Liberals do it all the time like two years of riots and insanity about the overdose of career criminal George Floyd.
George Floyd’s hideous face does look like something from a Picasso. Some kind of minotaur.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/PicassoGuernica.jpgReplies: @Kylie, @Gunnar von Cowtown, @Alden, @Right_On
Well yeah, every communist and idiot liberal in the world loved it. Just as they love the George Floyds and Mike Browns of today.
The hoopla surrounding Picasso was due to the fact that he was a communist. It was similar to the wayAmerican communists and liberals admired the Hollywood Ten communist screen writers.
This week is also the 50th anniversary of the first-ever hand-held mobile phone call ever, by Chicago-born Martin Cooper of Motorola, on a prototype Motorola DynaTAC ... Marty made that first call to his rival at Bell Labs to gloat LOL ... the great inventor will be 95 in December
https://i.postimg.cc/YCYdgPvP/1973-1st-mobile-phone-call.jpg
one of the few original prototype phones still in existence, signed by Cooper
https://i.postimg.cc/XJ9zKjxT/1st-mobile-phone-dynatac-prototype-1973.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/XNQZjwky/1st-mobiles-martin-cooper-motorola.jpgReplies: @Intelligent Dasein, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Ralph L
I dunno, I’d think twice about making this comparison — after all, who is responsible for more millions of wasted hours indulging in pointless inanity: Picasso, or the creators of the cell phone?
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Tell that to Steve, Jack D., HA, John Johnson, and the rest of the (((zelensky))) nut-huggers on this site.
They left the drunk part out of this story.
(And no, Putin fanboys, that doesn't work too well in warfare.)Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
Agree. Johnson is rather full of these kind of snide remarks.
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I recall reading (I forget where) that the reason so many died at Guernica was because the fire-engines were located in the Communist-controlled part of town; while the flames were engulfing the Anarchist section. There was no love lost between those two factions, so the Commies fiddled while Guernica burned.
I doubt many homosexuals were attracted to Picasso, especially as a strong macho man. He was short only 5’3 scrawny and not at all masculine. Nor was he a pretty boy . Even as a young man and little kid he was very ugly. Plus he was a noted womanizer not in any way gay, bi, non sexual. His numerous wives and girl friends were as well known as his art.
Andy Warhol and Jackson Pollock I can see gays being attracted.
FWIW, he wasn’t being sincere.
Agreed. Back in 1973, my Spanish teacher was a tiny, elegant woman from Madrid. Under her expert tutelage, we read Don Quixote, La vida es sueño and lots of Spanish poetry. It is thanks to her that I can appreciate literature in two languages.
She showed us a short film, I believe, about Picasso's Guernica with none of the enthusiasm she displayed for, say, one of Bécquer's Rimas. My impression was that as a patriotic Spaniard, she was proud of Guernica's reputation without being thrilled by the painting itself.Replies: @Alden, @J.Ross
When I finally saw Guernica I was flabbergasted by how childish it looks.
Terrific paragraph Emblematic.
The drag queen activist movement in the United States has been dominated by Hispanics since the very beginning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Rivera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Borjas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Shangay_Lily
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adela_Vázquez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa_Noyola
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandra_Caraballo
By no means an exhaustive list.
22% of Latino millennials are LGBT:
https://www.thepinknews.com/2018/08/13/22-percent-latino-millennials-lgbt/Replies: @AnotherDad
The concept of “border” keeps getting better and better.
Back in 1976, I was saying that about 1966. Close to Steve in age, I had just missed the British Invasion, Motown, bossa nova, and peak Broadway. Frustrating! Though I drank up the movie themes my mom loved to listen to on the more adult stations.
The British army had observers spies in the town. They reported that the damage was done by communists setting off bombs on the ground not the Nationalist planes.
I take it Tom Wolfe never saw any of Picasso’s juvenalia.
Undeniable talent lads, just three lines:
https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/8666870715.jpg
Personal favorite, "Minotaur's Repose Champagne and Mistress":
https://i.etsystatic.com/18883933/r/il/530528/2070313377/il_fullxfull.2070313377_fkws.jpgReplies: @MGB
The gay person who made Picasso’s career was a lesbian named Gertrude Stein. I really don’t know of any men, gay or heterosexual who helped his career. Picasso was unknown outside his friends and clients in Paris until Gertrude Stein made him famous.
Does any Man of UNZ live in or near New York City? Hunter Biden has 3 of his artworks displayed for sale at the George Berges Gallery 462 W Broadway Manhattan 10012. Why not go take a look and give us a review?
I'll see what he can do.
This is how AIDS spread so quickly in the western world. Traditional pederasty slows down the spread of the AIDS virus. Try explaining that to the moral majority and let me know how it goes if you get back alive.
‘The well-known “Confession” was invented by an Italian journalist and literary critic named Giovanni Papini who wrote two novels filled with fictional encounters between the main character, a businessman named Gog, and famous figures such as Sigmund Freud, Albert Einstein, Henry Ford, and Pablo Picasso…’
This week is also the 50th anniversary of the first-ever hand-held mobile phone call ever, by Chicago-born Martin Cooper of Motorola, on a prototype Motorola DynaTAC ... Marty made that first call to his rival at Bell Labs to gloat LOL ... the great inventor will be 95 in December
https://i.postimg.cc/YCYdgPvP/1973-1st-mobile-phone-call.jpg
one of the few original prototype phones still in existence, signed by Cooper
https://i.postimg.cc/XJ9zKjxT/1st-mobile-phone-dynatac-prototype-1973.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/XNQZjwky/1st-mobiles-martin-cooper-motorola.jpgReplies: @Intelligent Dasein, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Ralph L
Maybe there was silence on the other end because the the guy couldn’t hear him.
Art is just another field that has become almost wholly fake. There is something suspect about an endeavor in which the supposed quality of it is based on it's provenance. If it turned out tomorrow that any given painting by Picasso was not done by Picasso, but rather painted by some obscure impostor, the value of the that painting would plummet. However, if it turned out that a piece of music by Beethoven or Brahms or any another notable composer was not written by them but by an impostor, it would still keep its place in the classical repertoire.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @VinnyVette, @martin_2
There has always been a cult of personality to art. Rock stars are the embodiment of that.
I don’t get Rothko, but enough people whose judgment I respect do, so that I’m sure there’s something there.
Young Picasso: https://mymodernmet.com/picasso-early-work/
Undeniable talent lads, just three lines:
Personal favorite, “Minotaur’s Repose Champagne and Mistress”:
Art galleries, pieces of art, and artists should be heavily taxed. Not censored, got to respect the 1st Amendment.
The power to tax is the power to destroy.
I remember calling the movie "Oliver Stone's Elizabeth."Replies: @Wielgus
Not historical.
A German named Dwinger observed wounded Soviet POWs in late 1941 and was struck by how stoic they were. They might be holding their guts in their hands or an arm might be shredded by machine-gun fire but they hardly made a noise.
A story that reflects rather well on Picasso, I would have thought…
I knew a Philippine whose aunt was born on Christmas Eve, and named Jesusa. He was also born on that date, and was spared that fate. But he did get a Christian name; his siblings were given pretentious classical Greek monikers.
We shy away from it, but Araby and cultures it influenced don't have a problem with the name Jesus. He's a mere prophet. (Heck, the most common name, not only among them, but in the whole world, is taken from The prophet.)
I also knew a Somali who changed his middle or last name-- they use patronymics, so I'm not sure which it was-- from their version of Adam to their version of Jesus.Replies: @Dumbo, @slumber_j, @epebble
Dunno about that. I lived in Seville for a long time, and they certainly don’t think of Jesus as a mere prophet, despite a very heavy Moorish influence: hell, the cathedral’s bell tower is an ex-minaret. Think Spanish Inquisition…
If you want extremely ardent Catholicism, Seville’s the place for you, particularly now during Holy Week.
Joshua, the OT form of the name, doesn't count. Few deliberately us it to mean Jesus, any more than Miriam is Mary or Jacob James.Replies: @slumber_j, @BB753
You may be right about that, but it’s far from vanishingly uncommon in Spain, at least in Andalusia. Plenty of guys are called Jesús down there–and a lot of them are named Jesús María for good measure.
Bonus fun Spanish naming fact: in Andalusia at least, pretty much all women are named María Something, with many going by their second name for differentiation. (The not-uncommon female name Amparo for example is derived from María de los Desamparados. Mila is from María de la Medalla Milagrosa.) So, amusingly, the slang expression for a few random women in Spain is algunas Marías.
2) Arab men can sneak up easier, because Thobes don't have zippers.
3) A camel with one hump can go four months without water, but a man cannot go four months without one hump!Seriously, the fine arts are dominated by male homosexuals, just like ballet. In fairness, female homosexuals have softball and Chipotle.Replies: @slumber_j
I know a fair number of artists, gallery owners etc. here in NYC, and I haven’t found that to be the case at all. Then again, maybe I’m not moving in the right circles.
Oddly enough, I’ve known several big-time ballerinas over the years, despite my not giving a damn about ballet. The sense I get from them is that male ballet dancers are actually split about 50-50 in the sexual inclination department. Think Nureyev v. Baryshnikov.
Baryshnikov was virile enough to sire a pony! Well, Pony-- his daughter Shura attended Stillwater High. He has three other children who went elsewhere.Steve has pointed out that in Eastern Europe, ballet has a high-class angle which makes it attractive to normal young boys and their families. The female-male ratio may not be as overwhelming as in the West, but still there to attract straight boys. Indeed, at a "sweet spot". That might be a mistake, though. Ballerinas may be physically robust, but are often mentally fragile.
Butt-slamming other dancers' buns of steel may have turned a few straight.
Thx–but if the shoe fits
If you want extremely ardent Catholicism, Seville's the place for you, particularly now during Holy Week.
https://youtu.be/bOb2X1cM-qM?t=18Replies: @Reg Cæsar
I see why you call yourself “Slumber”– you’re not fully awake! The Mohammedans see Him as a prophet. Seville hasn’t been Mohammedan since 1248. But the unwritten rule of Christendom that you don’t name your child Jesus had eroded during the occupation, and did not revive. Even in very Christian Seville.
Joshua, the OT form of the name, doesn’t count. Few deliberately us it to mean Jesus, any more than Miriam is Mary or Jacob James.
I understood your point; I have doubts about its truth. Is that now clear enough?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @FPD72
If it's unwritten, it's a custom, not a rule. You're right that it's unusual outside of Spain and Portugal but I don't believe it's forbidden. There's no canon for it. Perhaps in protestant denominations.Replies: @Brutusale
Joshua, the OT form of the name, doesn't count. Few deliberately us it to mean Jesus, any more than Miriam is Mary or Jacob James.Replies: @slumber_j, @BB753
Sick burn lol.
I understood your point; I have doubts about its truth. Is that now clear enough?
The Balkans suffered an Islamic occupation, too, but those were Turks, not Arabs. Do Balkanites name their sons Jesus? Do Copts? Maronites?
Well, there is the case of Darrell Issa...Replies: @slumber_j, @Colin Wright, @Alden
The sense I get from them is that male ballet dancers are actually split about 50-50 in the sexual inclination department. Think Nureyev v. Baryshnikov.
Baryshnikov was virile enough to sire a pony! Well, Pony– his daughter Shura attended Stillwater High. He has three other children who went elsewhere.
Steve has pointed out that in Eastern Europe, ballet has a high-class angle which makes it attractive to normal young boys and their families. The female-male ratio may not be as overwhelming as in the West, but still there to attract straight boys. Indeed, at a “sweet spot”.
That might be a mistake, though. Ballerinas may be physically robust, but are often mentally fragile.
I understood your point; I have doubts about its truth. Is that now clear enough?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @FPD72
Do you have an alternative hypothesis for why Jesus is a given name in Spanish but no other cultures? It is a weird phenomenon, but Spain has had a weird history.
The Balkans suffered an Islamic occupation, too, but those were Turks, not Arabs. Do Balkanites name their sons Jesus? Do Copts? Maronites?
Well, there is the case of Darrell Issa…
Then too, the Spanish went through a 'are you sincerely Christian?' phase with their converts. So taking up the name 'Jesus,' or naming your sons 'Jesus,' would have been a way of convincing everyone you meant it.
Just speculation, of course, but this explanation would account for the Jesuses being more common in the south of Spain than the north, and more common still in the New World.Replies: @Alden
There are three ways to evaluate art.
1. Is it difficult to do? Is it an impressive skill that took years to master? (answer: nope)
2 Is it beautiful? (nope)
2. Is it clever? Is there a genuinely new idea that gets expressed? (most definitely nope)
Picasso fails on all counts. There's no hidden value in there, nothing that's "deep, man" when viewed with the right education. Ignore the talking homos. It's so self evidently awful that the "good dick" theory is probably closest to the truth.Replies: @Curmudgeon, @Legba, @CCG
They’re ‘evaluating’ a possible Jackson Pollock painting. If it’s real, it’s worth $50 million, if not, you can wipe your ass with it. I can hardly wait for the result to know if I like it.
Undeniable talent lads, just three lines:
https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/8666870715.jpg
Personal favorite, "Minotaur's Repose Champagne and Mistress":
https://i.etsystatic.com/18883933/r/il/530528/2070313377/il_fullxfull.2070313377_fkws.jpgReplies: @MGB
That is some weird ass shit going on with the Mistress’s body.
Joshua, the OT form of the name, doesn't count. Few deliberately us it to mean Jesus, any more than Miriam is Mary or Jacob James.Replies: @slumber_j, @BB753
“the unwritten rule of Christendom that you don’t name your child Jesus ”
If it’s unwritten, it’s a custom, not a rule. You’re right that it’s unusual outside of Spain and Portugal but I don’t believe it’s forbidden. There’s no canon for it. Perhaps in protestant denominations.
“Monas Hieroglyphica”
Medieval occult texts were studied by British military signals intelligence to develop codes during WW1 and WW2 (the Big One). Dee, like Aleister Crowley in his day, was deep in the espionage game. In the postwar environment MI6, CIA, and NATO/GLADIO used occult networks to harvest intelligence on monarchal and financial elites who dabbled in satanism or the practices and rituals of polytheistic Babylon. These networks were also utilized for compromise operations and the trafficking of various illicit commodities.
That was more “the portable TV” or “the portable video arcade” that came much later which people have a choice to use or not. Portable communication itself is amazingly enriching and a boon to society.
The Balkans suffered an Islamic occupation, too, but those were Turks, not Arabs. Do Balkanites name their sons Jesus? Do Copts? Maronites?
Well, there is the case of Darrell Issa...Replies: @slumber_j, @Colin Wright, @Alden
Glancing around the Internet, apart from the present one, hypotheses include: the idea that Jesús migrated from the surname “de Jesús”; differing cultural ideas about the prohibition on using the Lord’s name in vain; some business about Muslim (and I suppose Jewish) converts after the Reconquista having to adopt Christian names and going whole hog (lol) on the matter…and I’m sure others.
The problem with the idea that it was picked up from the Moors is that Jesus’s divinity was precisely the crux (lol) of the difference in belief between occupier and occupied. Why would the Christians have copied the Muslims in naming people after Jesus when Jesus’s nature was exactly what the two groups disagreed about most vehemently?
Joshuah ( Jesús) was a common name in the area. It was not exclusive to Christ.
The book cites historical accounts of other Jesuses, such as "Jesus of Damascus" etc.
The Christian Jesus was "Jesus of Nazareth" and referred to as such, to differentiate him from others. There were also at the same time a few of these Jesus guys who also claimed to be divine spokesmen. "Jesus of Aleppo" never caught on.
The whole ancient naming thing has to be kept in mind. Nearly everyone was illiterate so no one was sending you mail or reading about you.
It was probably a common name for a Jewish male.
Like Bob of Nazareth, or Sam from Jerusalem. Since many people had similar names, you either had to reference their place of birth or residence, or the name of their father. Nearly everything was word-of-mouth news other than religious instruction or speech by a few scholars and priests.Replies: @Anonymous, @BB753
Nonsense.
Picasso was one of the greatest innovators in visual arts, but a big chunk of his work is second rate & sterile. I think he will be remembered as a great painter who has successfully led visual arts into- nothing.
Perhaps 30-40% of his work will remain as something truly important. As a technical innovator, he is one of the greatest revolutionaries, or the greatest revolutionary; on the other hand, the body of his permanent work is impossible to define.
Both his creative gifts & nihilism they engendered make him, as is the case with Stravinsky & Schoenberg, virtually impossible to classify. A common educated reader, if he has patience, clearly sees the greatness of accomplishment of Proust, Joyce and Kafka.
With Picasso & Stravinsky- it is not so.
https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-there-is-still-plenty-of-good-music-to-be-written-in-c-major-arnold-schoenberg-69-22-54.jpg
Elizabeth was considered a witch by some of her political opponents, and not just Catholics. Her association with characters like John Dee did nothing to dispel these rumors.
Her successor, James, was a big hater of witchcraft and persecutor of witches. I’ve wondered in the past if these things were related.
I understood your point; I have doubts about its truth. Is that now clear enough?Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @FPD72
Something I’ve wondered about your nome de internet for some time: are you an old oilfield guy?
I knew a Philippine whose aunt was born on Christmas Eve, and named Jesusa. He was also born on that date, and was spared that fate. But he did get a Christian name; his siblings were given pretentious classical Greek monikers.
We shy away from it, but Araby and cultures it influenced don't have a problem with the name Jesus. He's a mere prophet. (Heck, the most common name, not only among them, but in the whole world, is taken from The prophet.)
I also knew a Somali who changed his middle or last name-- they use patronymics, so I'm not sure which it was-- from their version of Adam to their version of Jesus.Replies: @Dumbo, @slumber_j, @epebble
Nobody in Christendom names his son Jesus– unless he speaks Spanish!
Very common name among Arab Christians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issa_(name)
Andy Warhol and Jackson Pollock I can see gays being attracted.Replies: @vinteuil, @CCG
Agreed. Just search “young Pablo Picasso” on google images. He was a dweeby, greasy little shrimp. And I’m supposed to believe that gay art critics were lining up to be effed up the a$$ by him? Sorry – not buying this.
Ummm…OK
So the agent and Mrs Pollock found a way. They put pots of paint , sticks of various sizes and the canvases on the floor And Pollock crawled around dripping the paint on the canvas. As long as he remained semi conscious. When he passed out completely , Mrs Pollock put a pillow under his head and finished the painting.
The avant-garde Bruno Hat exhibition in 1920s London. Some later to become famous young people created the famous German artist Bruno Hat. He was paraplegic held the paint brush in his teeth or something. His genre was abstract abstraction or something.
There was a whole crew of young people in 1920s London who were so progressive and avant- garde that they rejected the whole moderne brauhuse abstract art thing. They bought walnut Victorian and Empire revival furniture. And Tissot and Pre Ralphelite paintings. Good investment, worthless in the 1920s worth millions in the 1970s.
Involved were some familiar names Evelyn Waugh Malcolm Muggerudge Graham Greene Nancy Dianna Guinness and Tom Mitford and Barbara Cartland Brian Howard and Bryan Guinness and others.
Nancy and Barbara wrote gossip columns for different newspapers under several names. Some of the men were contributors to smaller artsy & literary magazines. In those days there were many small limited circulation magazines.
So they started dropping news and gossip stories about the great Bruno Hat. Dianna and the other women borrowed Dianna’s Rolls and mink coats and went around the art galleries Looking for Bruno Hats. And they all planted stories about the great artist Bruno Hat and how all the connoisseurs were buying Bruno Hat art.
The writers created enormous buzz and demand for Bruno Hat art.
Someone worked for the London County Council as an athletic coach. So they paid garbage men to supply them with trash dry trash. They bought canvases of various sizes. Then brought in the kids from the sports team and gave them paint and glue.
A good time was had by all.
The Bruno Hat exhibition was a great success Until someone recognized that the parapalegic Bruno Hat in the wheelchair was really Tom Mitford.
I’m no art critic or homo but I like Picasso and I really like Degas. Maybe it’s the colors.
There are three ways to evaluate art.
1. Is it difficult to do? Is it an impressive skill that took years to master? (answer: nope)
2 Is it beautiful? (nope)
2. Is it clever? Is there a genuinely new idea that gets expressed? (most definitely nope)
Picasso fails on all counts. There's no hidden value in there, nothing that's "deep, man" when viewed with the right education. Ignore the talking homos. It's so self evidently awful that the "good dick" theory is probably closest to the truth.Replies: @Curmudgeon, @Legba, @CCG
Here’s my take on Picasso’s manufactured fame:
https://www.unz.com/ldinh/white-flight-hemingways-the-short-happy-life-of-francis-macomber/?showcomments#comment-4597575
Andy Warhol and Jackson Pollock I can see gays being attracted.Replies: @vinteuil, @CCG
Picasso needed to have a millstone placed around his neck before being pushed into the sea. His first mistress in Paris was a married Frenchwoman named Fernande Olivier, whom he started keeping in 1904. She adopted a 13-year-old girl named Raymonde from an orphanage in April 1907 (when both Olivier and Picasso were only 25 years old, so their motivation is also creepy). Upon discovering explicit drawings of Raymonde made by Picasso, Olivier sent the girl back to the orphanage.
True or not, I thought it was a pretty good piece of snark.
Being dead drunk and doing stupid things doesn’t always kill you.
They left the drunk part out of this story.
(And no, Putin fanboys, that doesn’t work too well in warfare.)
According to a good book written as a biography of Jesus (by a Muslim scholar), the name “Jesus” was fairly common in that day and place.
The book cites historical accounts of other Jesuses, such as “Jesus of Damascus” etc.
The Christian Jesus was “Jesus of Nazareth” and referred to as such, to differentiate him from others. There were also at the same time a few of these Jesus guys who also claimed to be divine spokesmen. “Jesus of Aleppo” never caught on.
The whole ancient naming thing has to be kept in mind. Nearly everyone was illiterate so no one was sending you mail or reading about you.
It was probably a common name for a Jewish male.
Like Bob of Nazareth, or Sam from Jerusalem. Since many people had similar names, you either had to reference their place of birth or residence, or the name of their father. Nearly everything was word-of-mouth news other than religious instruction or speech by a few scholars and priests.
Is that you Pablo, you stumpy blow-hard?
“I don’t get Rothko, but enough people whose judgment I respect do, so that I’m sure there’s something there.”
I don’t get Rothko, either. I only know when an arty friend dragged me to a Rothko exhibit, I was overwhelmed. Then a few years ago, I saw the Rothko at the Crystal Bridges Museum, same response. A museum docent overheard me, said I wasn’t the first she knew of to respond that way and asked how it felt. The closest I can get is that looking at Rothko’s shimmering rectangles in colors I don’t even like is like listening to Gundula Janowitz singing, “Beim Schlafengehen”, which I love.
https://www.fayettevilleflyer.com/2012/09/25/crystal-bridges-acquires-rarely-seen-mark-rothko-painting/
The book cites historical accounts of other Jesuses, such as "Jesus of Damascus" etc.
The Christian Jesus was "Jesus of Nazareth" and referred to as such, to differentiate him from others. There were also at the same time a few of these Jesus guys who also claimed to be divine spokesmen. "Jesus of Aleppo" never caught on.
The whole ancient naming thing has to be kept in mind. Nearly everyone was illiterate so no one was sending you mail or reading about you.
It was probably a common name for a Jewish male.
Like Bob of Nazareth, or Sam from Jerusalem. Since many people had similar names, you either had to reference their place of birth or residence, or the name of their father. Nearly everything was word-of-mouth news other than religious instruction or speech by a few scholars and priests.Replies: @Anonymous, @BB753
Yes, Barabbas was also a Jesus. His first name was edited out of the Gospels at some point but can still be found in the earliest copies.
If it's unwritten, it's a custom, not a rule. You're right that it's unusual outside of Spain and Portugal but I don't believe it's forbidden. There's no canon for it. Perhaps in protestant denominations.Replies: @Brutusale
Portugal, no. Cristiano is approved.
Your comment is not an irony. Outside Northern Europe and places colonized by it like USA, the tops are not considered gay.
There are infinite jokes about bottoms, but nothing about tops. Men who like the insertive role are only ” men who like to fuck faggots”. As said by Johnson top men don’t have their masculine honor at risk.
How is Rothko an artist? A total fraud 1000 time more than even late period Picasso.
No, I like naps–ever since I lived in Spain, if not before. And old-school ranch-naming conventions.
This also means that later generations of Christians missed Pilate’s dark sense of humor, where he asks the crowd if they want to release…. Jesus or Jesus.
Schoenberg was the opposite of a nihilist. He went down the wrong path, but didn’t reject what came before. Politically, he was a monarchist, his love for the California Republic notwithstanding. I have his composition texts, and they are quite traditional. He wanted you to know the old ropes cold before you attempted the new.
male ballet dancers are actually split about 50-50 in the sexual inclination department.
Butt-slamming other dancers’ buns of steel may have turned a few straight.
Is your knowledge of Portugal restricted to Cristiano Ronaldo?
The book cites historical accounts of other Jesuses, such as "Jesus of Damascus" etc.
The Christian Jesus was "Jesus of Nazareth" and referred to as such, to differentiate him from others. There were also at the same time a few of these Jesus guys who also claimed to be divine spokesmen. "Jesus of Aleppo" never caught on.
The whole ancient naming thing has to be kept in mind. Nearly everyone was illiterate so no one was sending you mail or reading about you.
It was probably a common name for a Jewish male.
Like Bob of Nazareth, or Sam from Jerusalem. Since many people had similar names, you either had to reference their place of birth or residence, or the name of their father. Nearly everything was word-of-mouth news other than religious instruction or speech by a few scholars and priests.Replies: @Anonymous, @BB753
Since Jeshuah or Joshuah was a fairly common name, banning its use makes as much sense sa banning Simon.
There are infinite jokes about bottoms, but nothing about tops. Men who like the insertive role are only " men who like to fuck faggots". As said by Johnson top men don't have their masculine honor at risk.Replies: @Feryl
Ahhh,the wonderful world of “situational” homosexuality. You are correct, Northern Europeans consider any participation in gay intimacy to be, uh, gay. No matter the circumstances. In other cultures, however, a man can be a giver and still be regarded as dominant and macho.
I don’t know about that. In traditionally Catholic and Orthodox countries, sodomy is still taboo. That might be true in Mohameddan or Buddhist countries. Gay expatriates a hundred, fifty years ago fled to places like Morocco or Sri Lanka to get their rocks off, not Italy or Greece, for a good reason.
He’s right, Jesus not a common first name in Portuguese culture. Only Portuguese-origin person I ever read about with that first name was a Brazilian (Jesus Luz), he was briefly the toyboy of American singer Madonna.
Madonna, Picasso, Kardashian.
Luz (or da Luz) could very well be of Spanish origin.
From his Wikibio:Dad may have skipped over what his son's "philosophical" namesake said about that sort of thing.
In-depth artist review:
Madonna, Picasso, Kardashian.
Art is just another field that has become almost wholly fake. There is something suspect about an endeavor in which the supposed quality of it is based on it's provenance. If it turned out tomorrow that any given painting by Picasso was not done by Picasso, but rather painted by some obscure impostor, the value of the that painting would plummet. However, if it turned out that a piece of music by Beethoven or Brahms or any another notable composer was not written by them but by an impostor, it would still keep its place in the classical repertoire.Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @VinnyVette, @martin_2
That is an excellent point. It is the same with literature. If it were to be discovered that Keats’ Ode To a Nightingale had been written by another man it would not detract from the poem.
He also beat, really hurt some of his women like Dora Marr. Some kind of rejection of his bourgeois upbringing. I’ve read a few biographies of Picasso. Can’t remember much. He was a communist. A very successful propagandist for the communist aka Republican side in the Civil War. That’s all I need to know about him.
It was American rich lady living in Paris because the dollar was so high against the franc then; Gertrude Stein who discovered him and made him famous and rich. She was an old fashioned patron of artists. She liked Picasso’s work. And made herself as well as Picasso famous.
The Balkans suffered an Islamic occupation, too, but those were Turks, not Arabs. Do Balkanites name their sons Jesus? Do Copts? Maronites?
Well, there is the case of Darrell Issa...Replies: @slumber_j, @Colin Wright, @Alden
One big difference might be that Spain forcibly converted many of its Muslims, while they were more commonly killed or driven out in the Balkans et al. That happened in Spain as well, but most must have simply converted.
Then too, the Spanish went through a ‘are you sincerely Christian?’ phase with their converts. So taking up the name ‘Jesus,’ or naming your sons ‘Jesus,’ would have been a way of convincing everyone you meant it.
Just speculation, of course, but this explanation would account for the Jesuses being more common in the south of Spain than the north, and more common still in the New World.
This isn’t my impression. Didn’t buggery used to be delicately referred to as ‘the Italian vice’? I also know a joke involving Greeks and sodomy.
Warhol and Pollock were good looking. Here’s how Pollock produced his art. Pollock was an extreme falling down drunk. Here’s how his great art was created. His agent found a woman to marry and handle Pollock. But soon he was too much for her to handle. Basically he couldn’t sit in a chair or hold a paint brush any more.
So the agent and Mrs Pollock found a way. They put pots of paint , sticks of various sizes and the canvases on the floor And Pollock crawled around dripping the paint on the canvas. As long as he remained semi conscious. When he passed out completely , Mrs Pollock put a pillow under his head and finished the painting.
The avant-garde Bruno Hat exhibition in 1920s London. Some later to become famous young people created the famous German artist Bruno Hat. He was paraplegic held the paint brush in his teeth or something. His genre was abstract abstraction or something.
There was a whole crew of young people in 1920s London who were so progressive and avant- garde that they rejected the whole moderne brauhuse abstract art thing. They bought walnut Victorian and Empire revival furniture. And Tissot and Pre Ralphelite paintings. Good investment, worthless in the 1920s worth millions in the 1970s.
Involved were some familiar names Evelyn Waugh Malcolm Muggerudge Graham Greene Nancy Dianna Guinness and Tom Mitford and Barbara Cartland Brian Howard and Bryan Guinness and others.
Nancy and Barbara wrote gossip columns for different newspapers under several names. Some of the men were contributors to smaller artsy & literary magazines. In those days there were many small limited circulation magazines.
So they started dropping news and gossip stories about the great Bruno Hat. Dianna and the other women borrowed Dianna’s Rolls and mink coats and went around the art galleries Looking for Bruno Hats. And they all planted stories about the great artist Bruno Hat and how all the connoisseurs were buying Bruno Hat art.
The writers created enormous buzz and demand for Bruno Hat art.
Someone worked for the London County Council as an athletic coach. So they paid garbage men to supply them with trash dry trash. They bought canvases of various sizes. Then brought in the kids from the sports team and gave them paint and glue.
A good time was had by all.
The Bruno Hat exhibition was a great success Until someone recognized that the parapalegic Bruno Hat in the wheelchair was really Tom Mitford.
Spain was one of the top half-dozen sources of immigrants to Brazil. If a surname there looks Spanish, it quite likely is. (E.g., Villa-Lobos.)
Luz (or da Luz) could very well be of Spanish origin.
From his Wikibio:
Dad may have skipped over what his son’s “philosophical” namesake said about that sort of thing.
Have their been any counterfeit Beethoven or Bach compositions removed from the canon? I can recall watching “The Black Stallion” 40 years ago, and during the great beach scene thinking, “I wonder what Beethoven piece this is? I never heard it before. Maybe the 4th Symphony?”
When I saw it again 10 years ago, I noticed that the music wasn’t quite good enough to be Beethoven. It was by Carmine Coppola, dad of FF Coppola and grandfather of Nicolas Cage. It took a Coppola-sized ego to dare compose in the style of Beethoven.
Then too, the Spanish went through a 'are you sincerely Christian?' phase with their converts. So taking up the name 'Jesus,' or naming your sons 'Jesus,' would have been a way of convincing everyone you meant it.
Just speculation, of course, but this explanation would account for the Jesuses being more common in the south of Spain than the north, and more common still in the New World.Replies: @Alden
Northern Europeans use the names Christian, Christine, Kirsten a lot. There’s no English translation of Jesus; like Joseph for Jose Michael for Miguel. Soon Jesus will be a very common male name in America. Already is in the southwest.
Amsterdam was known as The Northern Venice. And not just because of the canals. Never heard sodomy described as the Italian vice.
The ‘Italian Vice’: Male Homosexuality and British Tourism in Southern Italy
Chiara BeccalossiReplies: @Wielgus
The Balkans suffered an Islamic occupation, too, but those were Turks, not Arabs. Do Balkanites name their sons Jesus? Do Copts? Maronites?
Well, there is the case of Darrell Issa...Replies: @slumber_j, @Colin Wright, @Alden
Isabella Isabelle might possibly be the female version of Issa.
More or less.
The ‘Italian Vice’: Male Homosexuality and British Tourism in Southern Italy
Chiara Beccalossi
It’s more than just Communism. As I commented on another article (https://www.unz.com/ldinh/white-flight-hemingways-the-short-happy-life-of-francis-macomber/?showcomments#comment-4597575):
The ‘Italian Vice’: Male Homosexuality and British Tourism in Southern Italy
Chiara BeccalossiReplies: @Wielgus
I have heard it described that way, often by the English or the French. Generally in Renaissance writings.
You’re probably thinking of Renaissance Italy. Or Classical Greece.
I did and don’t. I do have a good friend who’s still in the old building, a six minute walk.
I’ll see what he can do.
Ahhh, Picasshole
The big problem with Modernism was that, once the experiment had run its course and the new lessons learned (let's say the arc from Cubism through Ab-Ex and ending roughly with the early post-modernism of Warhol and Jasper Johns), the art world should then have said Okay enough, we tried all that, now let's incorporate what we learned into our ancient more grounded traditions. Instead, because there was so much money in what had become a racket, we got grifters like Tracey Emin and Julian Schnabel.
Basically the Modernists were saying 2 important things:
1) We can't just go on painting exquisite Barbizon landscapes and rewriting Dickens over and over again, and
2) As much as the 19th century produced very grand things, there were elements of art and of consciousness, which with few exceptions (Wagner is one major exception) that they were incapable of seeing or expressing, partly because the Machine Age, technology, and the changes in the scale of war had altered the fabric of consciousness in unexpected ways.
For the 20th century Sir Walter Scott is full of ripping yarns but has nothing to say about modern consciousness; whereas Musil and Joyce and Brecht sorta do.
It all would have worked out fine if artists had said, "Well, that was a quite a 50-year joyride! But now let's go back to honing basic skills."Replies: @Irish Romantic Christian
“Basically the Modernists were saying 2 important things:
1) We can’t just go on painting exquisite Barbizon landscapes and rewriting Dickens over and over again”
Early modern-art expressionism like Van Gogh and Munch showed a way forward, which way forward was passed over in favour of ugliness and formless abstraction.
Picasso et al are a cover for art-world money laundering. The exposés of Picasso’s sex life – whether true or false – are promoted as a layer of spin to obscure that reality.
Modernism in general tends too much towards despair and self-loathing and incoherence and formlessness.
Well, the Greek joke I referred to is set in Victorian times.
How prominent were Jews in pushing Abstract Expressionism et al?
Critics have been very kind to Rothko.
Yes a large canvas painted in shimmering orange or brown can be affecting and not all the acclaim for Rothko appears to be faked. Colours can evoke basic emotions, it can’t be denied.
Ultimately though for the kind of fame and money that Rothko enjoyed, the phenomenon around him borders on fraud. He was not a new Titian after all – just a good/pleasant painter in the abstract method. A method which usually fails to engage at all.
They left the drunk part out of this story.
(And no, Putin fanboys, that doesn't work too well in warfare.)Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
Good point zelensky nut-hugger, because of course we all know the Ukranians are a bunch of teetotalers …
Dear Moderator, I would appreciate it very much if you would publish my response to Colin Wright’s question (comment #162). Thank you very much in advance.
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