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@HumanVarieties presents some preliminary data on school test scores in Canada, with 100 set as the mean of the entire sample, a standard deviation of 15, and ethnicity reflecting parents’ birth countries:

So Northeast Asian students with parents born in Canada have a 116 composite score and black students with parents born in Canada have an 89 composite?

White kids whose parents were born in Canada have a 106 composite. (The gaps are slightly smaller for average scores than for composite scores.)

This 27 point gap between Northeast Asians and blacks must be due to Canada’s history of slavery, Confederate statues, Jim Crow, lynching, the burning down of the black Wall Street in Tulsa, Ontario, and redlining.

 
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  1. Surely some oil rigger in Alberta is to blame both for the Africans’ low test scores and the Asians’ enduring feeling of inadequacy. The evils of racism know no mortal bounds.

  2. It’s helpful that they set the mean to 100 and the std. dev. to 15. (On twitter, @HumanVarieties explains the difference between ‘mean’ and ‘composite’: “The average is just the average of reading, math, and OSSLT IQ-metricized scores. The composite then applies the following formula [here] to make a summary score comparable to FSIQ, which also is a composite. but similar.”)

    Lowest composites:

    94.0 Middle Eastern – Afghanistan
    93.8 Latin American – South America
    91.7 Aboriginal – [Canada]
    91.6 Latin American – all
    91.5 Black/African – all
    90.8 Latin American – Central America
    89.0 Black/African – Canada
    88.7 Black/African – Caribbean

    After two other subcategories of Black/African, the next-lowest score is a jump to 97.5, Filipino.

    The highest score is:

    115.9 North East Asian – Canada

    After other NE Asian subcategories, it’s some White and some South East Asian categories.

    Thanks for compiling the numbers, @HumanVarieties. Looks pretty familiar.

    • Thanks: res, Peter Johnson
    • Replies: @Spangel112
    @ic1000

    What could southeast Asian mean here? The score is high yet the scores of Vietnamese and Filipinos are lower than the white average, and in the US those are the highest scoring southeast Asians. The Hmong and Cambodians are typically lower scoring in the us. I don’t believe Indonesians do particularly well in other nations. I could believe Malays do well but how many of those could there be?

    In any case, why is a southeast Asian sub category classed under a northeast Asian category? Are they counting Taiwan as southeast Asian? Chinese minorities from Malaysia and Indonesia who have immigrated to Canada?

    , @Almost Missouri
    @ic1000


    The highest score is:

    115.9 North East Asian – Canada
     
    This is more remarkable because most North East Asians (other than Hong Kongers) do not speak English natively, so their Reading scores are somewhat crippled compared to native English-speaking groups. (This also raises the question of how the White Canadian group Reading score handles Quebecois.)

    The West African Reading score has a bump up compared to the rest of Africa: presumably the legacy of Igbo supremacy.

    Latin Americans (presumably heavily aboriginal to Latin America) embarrassingly under-score Canadian Aboriginals. I would've said language unfamiliarity, but the Math gap is similar. High-Latitude supremacism, or maybe those aboriginal boarding schools weren't so bad for Canadian Aboriginals after all?

    Canadian immigration policy is supposedly highly rationalist, but what is the rationale for importing people less capable than the people already there? At least the Old South openly admitted they only wanted them for strong-backed tropical climate field labor in the 19th century, but what's techno-futurist Canada's excuse?

    P.S. What is "South" Canada? Sounds like a Canadian-supremacist euphemism for USA.

    Replies: @Spangel112, @anon

    , @Black Athena
    @ic1000

    It's funny how your color prejudice is exposed by how brazenly you ignore the scores of South Asian, West African and East African Canadians. Obviously because their scores contradict your racial fantasies. Try explain these Canadian composite scores using your HBD Bible:

    Bangladeshi-----------105.59
    Sri Lankan-------------105.57
    European (South)-----101.73
    East African------------95.20
    West African-----------94.08
    Afghanistani---------- 93.96
    South American-------93.80
    Asiatic Aboriginals-- 91.66
    Central American-----90.75

    Replies: @smetana, @Reg Cæsar

  3. Vietnam composite score seems a bit low. Filipino composite seems really low.

    Bangladesh composite is surprisingly high (interesting to not only compare the Bangladesh composite score to India but also Pakistan). Also did not expect the number of Bangladesh + Pakistan people in Canada to outnumber Indians.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    Filipinos score pretty well on California school tests.

    Replies: @Marquis, @stillCARealist, @ginger bread man, @Anonymous Jew, @Hapalong Cassidy

  4. The Canadian-born black average seems truly awful. I thought Canada was supposed to practice selective immigration. These figures are, however, not easy to interpret in isolation. For the non-white immigrant groups, there’s “born in Canada” data only for NE Asians and blacks, and while NE Asians seem to do better when born in Canada, blacks do a bit worse.

    The difference between the 1st and 2nd immigrant generations is a function of at least three factors: acculturation (mainly, learning the language), regression to the (genotypic) mean, and differences in the composition of different immigrant waves (e.g. earlier black immigrants may have been more disproportionately Caribbean than later immigrants). It’s not easy to parse these factors.

    • Replies: @MM
    @Jack777

    Yes, we do - for legal immigrants.

    , @Some Guy
    @Jack777

    Note that this table lists the PARENTS place of birth, not the children's.

    , @beavertales
    @Jack777

    Canada is beset with chain migration, which doesn't select for any skills or education. One refugee can bring in a small village worth of relatives. one refugee sponsored 150 family members.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/marcus-askar-150-somali-family-1.4394375

    With predictable results:

    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/crime/rewards-renewed-for-11-unsolved-edmonton-homicides-linked-to-somali-community

    Canada has a black murder problem.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Jack777


    I thought Canada was supposed to practice selective immigration.
     
    Selection is based on a points system. Exceptions are made for "refugees". A lot of points relate to an immigrant's facility with Canada's two official languages, English and French. My impression is that Haitian Creole is treated as if it were French. I certainly noticed a shocking increase in the numbers of Haitians in Montreal over my regular visits to that city over the past three decades. During my last visit, various individuals warned me that I should take care to avoid certain parts of downtown that had become Haitian enclaves. My observations while skirting one of these areas was that these individuals had, if anything, understated the sense of menace.

    Canada is insanely PC even by the USA's current insanely PC standards. Over the last thirty years I've seen immigration turn once pleasant Canadian cities like Montreal and Toronto into urban pest holes only slightly better than their US counterparts.

    Replies: @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin, @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Jack777


    “born in Canada” data
     
    Is that somewhere on a government website?

    acculturation (mainly, learning the language)
     
    How much acculturation is there of 2nd generation African immigrants assimilating to ghetto/rap culture versus 2nd generation Asian immigrants assimilating to nerd/academic culture?
    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack777

    Google says 3.5% of Canadians are black. Serious question: where do these black Canadians come from?

    It's obviously a combination, but how are many are descended from the Revolutionary War period when Loyalist and some of their black allies bailed on the U.S.? Or the "underground railroad" era? Or did they migrate from the South to Detroit and just keep going north in the Great Migration? Or are they mostly recent Afro-Caribbean imports?

    Like most Americans, I don't know all that much about Canada. Canadian blacks, even less so.

    Replies: @Corn

    , @Joe Paluka
    @Jack777

    Yes, Canada, USA, and Europe practice selective immigration alright, they pick the most stupid and violent bipeds and let them immigrate.

  5. Yeah, but NE Asian top scores like Hong Kong and Canada are evidently the product of drill (or perhaps something more nefarious).

    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Yeah, but NE Asian top scores like Hong Kong and Canada are evidently the product of drill (or perhaps something more nefarious).
     
    Yes I know what you mean.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka

  6. An unforced error.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Daniel H

    Indeed so, and it's one that every single previously white nation seems hell-bent on repeating. Except maybe Hungary, but the NYT is saying that they're nazis.


    This 27 point gap between Northeast Asians and blacks must be due to Canada’s history of slavery, Confederate statues, Jim Crow, lynching, the burning down of the black Wall Street in Tulsa, Ontario, and redlining.
     
    Every single bit of America's wealth was built by african slaves! Only somehow Canada and Australia are comparably wealthy, having had approximately zero african slaves, and Brazil with its much greater (and more brutal) history of slavery remains poor. A mystical conundrum! Shut up about it!
  7. Is this a mapping of school tests to IQ? Is the standard deviation 15, or what?

  8. @anonymous
    Vietnam composite score seems a bit low. Filipino composite seems really low.

    Bangladesh composite is surprisingly high (interesting to not only compare the Bangladesh composite score to India but also Pakistan). Also did not expect the number of Bangladesh + Pakistan people in Canada to outnumber Indians.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Filipinos score pretty well on California school tests.

    • Replies: @Marquis
    @Steve Sailer

    The Filipinos have a sophisticated international school system at the upper echelons similar to what you might find in Taiwan or Korea. They also have the traditional American merocratic practice of reaching down and taking talented kids from the slums or rural areas and raising them up into this international school system. (Maybe a vestige of catholocism?) I remember one such instructor telling me of his prized pupil who walked several miles to the bus depot then rode the bus an hr every day to get to said school. He was on a full ride but there was no dormitory or anything.

    If the population is small enough that could account for some of it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Joe Paluka

    , @stillCARealist
    @Steve Sailer

    There's Chinese Filipinos, Spanish Filipinos, and true islanders, in my experience. The Chinese ones are fairly sharp, but the Spanish speakers can become like Mexican losers if they choose. We have some Islanders renting from us and they can never pay the rent on time. They send AMAP back to the home country and have huge feasting parties that packs on far too many calories. Nice folks, though.

    , @ginger bread man
    @Steve Sailer

    Something very important to understand that I’ve never heard Steve talk about is that Filipinos are a heterogeneous Group with a lot of admixture. Many Filipinos who migrate to the US have Chinese ancestry. It’s estimated that up to 25% of the Filipino population have Chinese ancestry. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Filipino

    A much much smaller percentage contain Spanish ancestry. I couldn’t find any stats, but my guess is that between 1-5% of Filipinos contain Spanish or Western ancestry. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Filipino

    So, my guess is much of the high test scores and achievement of the Filipinos can be traced to demographics.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @Steve Sailer

    I can’t recall the source, but I believe earlier waves of Filipinos (<1980-ish) had more pedestrian test scores. However, more recent Filipino immigration has been more selective, much like South Asian immigration.

    The valedictorian of my HS was Filipino, and I worked with a lot of the higher achieving Filipinos when I lived in San Francisco. My impression is that high achieving Filipinos are not significantly mixed - either Chinese or Spanish (unlike Hispanics were the high achievers almost always look White). Instead, they merely represent a more selective immigration policy. (One of the Filipino managers at an investment firm where I worked looked 100% Jungle Asian, ie very dark). Also, Filipinos seem to assimilate fairly quickly. Not sure if it’s the Catholicism or shared history/cultural influence of the US.

    Personally, I think we need at least a 30-year moratorium on all immigration. That said, imagine if the only immigrants we got from Latin America, the Philippines etc were those that score in the top 10% of their academic tests? LA would certainly look a lot different.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Steve Sailer

    Interestingly enough, if you look at demographic information on GreatSchools you’ll find that California (and only California) schools show Filipinos as their own separate category. In every other state they are lumped in with the rest of the Asians.

  9. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    Filipinos score pretty well on California school tests.

    Replies: @Marquis, @stillCARealist, @ginger bread man, @Anonymous Jew, @Hapalong Cassidy

    The Filipinos have a sophisticated international school system at the upper echelons similar to what you might find in Taiwan or Korea. They also have the traditional American merocratic practice of reaching down and taking talented kids from the slums or rural areas and raising them up into this international school system. (Maybe a vestige of catholocism?) I remember one such instructor telling me of his prized pupil who walked several miles to the bus depot then rode the bus an hr every day to get to said school. He was on a full ride but there was no dormitory or anything.

    If the population is small enough that could account for some of it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Marquis


    The Filipinos have a sophisticated international school system at the upper echelons similar to what you might find in Taiwan or Korea.
     
    Until a decade or so ago, male high school seniors were required to enroll in JROTC. Imagine that here!


    If the population is small enough that could account for some of it.
     
    110 million is not small. Nor is their immigrant population in the US.
    , @Joe Paluka
    @Marquis

    I hear Filipinos complaining that their educational system is being tainted by the same poison that's infiltrated the US Educational system. Private schools might be still teaching in the traditional manner, but the mainstream educational system is getting bad with a lot of influence from the US. They need to break all ties with the US if their country is to ever get out of poverty.

  10. Jared Taylor, in a recent podcast, said: There are 13,800 school districts in the US, and in every single one of them, the average order of group achievement is Asian, white, Hispanic, Black. I thought this was telling; that there was not a single school district that had invented a successful method of tutoring or whatever that changed the order. I wonder if the Magical Method likewise remains elusive in Canada.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @SafeNow

    Sailer/Chetty found a few where it appears tied for some upper middle class blacks in majority white school districts.

    , @martin_2
    @SafeNow

    The probability of every school district having precisely that order, if the orders - all 24 of them - are random, is roughly one in 10^19,050.

    , @Anonymous
    @SafeNow

    Don’t believe those numbers.

    At least for black students. My father is a retired administrator from a major public school system. At the end of career— over 30 years ago— he told me that schools were under a lot of pressure to raise minority (black) test scores. This was in the 1980’s! He told me that the way this did this was to simply fudge the numbers.

    , @Carroll price
    @SafeNow

    The Magical Method that has. until now alluded mankind, is the removal of all offensive statues and symbols honoring white slave owners. Just you wait and see.

  11. @Jack777
    The Canadian-born black average seems truly awful. I thought Canada was supposed to practice selective immigration. These figures are, however, not easy to interpret in isolation. For the non-white immigrant groups, there's "born in Canada" data only for NE Asians and blacks, and while NE Asians seem to do better when born in Canada, blacks do a bit worse.

    The difference between the 1st and 2nd immigrant generations is a function of at least three factors: acculturation (mainly, learning the language), regression to the (genotypic) mean, and differences in the composition of different immigrant waves (e.g. earlier black immigrants may have been more disproportionately Caribbean than later immigrants). It's not easy to parse these factors.

    Replies: @MM, @Some Guy, @beavertales, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @Joe Paluka

    Yes, we do – for legal immigrants.

  12. Do Canadian colleges and universities use standardized test scores anymore to admit students?

    • Replies: @BRK2
    @Dan

    They never did surprisingly. There’s no SAT. Its just grades. Since all the universities are public, they’re all seen as being pretty high quality and roughly equivalent, so you don’t have much gaming of the system for prestige. You can’t even find an up to date ranking of Canadian universities other than anecdotes.

  13. OTish:

    Wicketkeeper Quinton de Kock made himself unavailable for South Africa’s T20 World Cup match against West Indies after refusing to take the knee.

    Cricket South Africa (CSA) issued a directive before the match that all players should make the gesture.

    Captain Temba Bavuma said at the toss in Dubai that De Kock, 28, withdrew “for personal reasons”.

    CSA said later on Tuesday that they “noted the personal decision” of De Kock to not take the knee.

    In a statement released during the game, CSA said it would “await a further report from team management before deciding on next steps”.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59051327

    • Replies: @jay ritchie
    @Henry's Cat

    The sad thing for QDC is that he will be a controversial figure in a lot of countries. Bet he now wishes that he had emigrated somewhere with a path to citizenship a few years ago and cashed out in the leagues. Plenty of fine southern African players have done just that.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

  14. The tests were obviously developed by white supremacists. They fail to capture the nuances of black IQ, such as the best place to hide a 9mm in your hoodie, or how to properly slap your bitch upside the head.

  15. The World according to Han…

    https://www.npr.org/2021/09/06/1024804523/forget-tiger-moms-now-chinas-chicken-blood-parents-are-pushing-kids-to-succeed

    Forget Tiger Moms. Now China’s ‘Chicken Blood’ Parents Are Pushing Kids To Succeed

    BEIJING — They schedule their children’s days in 15-minute increments. They scour online forums and swap tips on the most exclusive tutors and best sports coaches. Some even buy second homes next to the best public schools.

    Forget tiger moms. These are China’s jiwa, or “chicken” parents, who are known for their attentive — some say obsessive — parenting style. The term is used to describe aggressive helicopter parenting and comes from an unproven Chinese-medicine treatment dating back to the 1950s in which a person is injected with fresh chicken blood to stimulate energy.

    Jiwa parenting culture, a relatively new phenomenon, is now in the crosshairs of Chinese authorities. At a time when the government wants to see families having more children and raising more future workers, it fears that hypercompetitive parenting pressures — combined with the meteoric growth of China’s private education sector, now worth billions of dollars — are deepening inequality and discouraging couples from having larger families, a priority of the country’s new three-child policy.

    As more parents complain about the burnout brought on by jiwa culture, there’s concern that the financial and emotional toll is making many reluctant to have a second, much less a third, child.
    ……………….

    And, then ….

    • Replies: @Thomasina
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Let's hope they DON'T have a second, much less a third child. Aren't there already over a BILLION Chinese?

    "Until the time of Napoleon, there were less than 1 billion people on Earth at any one time. Since the Second World War, we have been adding a billion people to the global population every 12-15 years. Our population is more than double today what it was in 1970."

    I've seen firsthand how the Chinese are with their kids. That's why their test scores are higher.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  16. Obviously with nearly 200 million whites across the southern border, a lot of molecules of white supremacy are wafting north into Canada. Those that are not first absorbed by affirmative action students in Ivy League schools, that is.

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • LOL: kaganovitch
  17. Funny that most people tend to forget what one of the most influential men in history had said….

    And another had simply added …

  18. Canada needs to import more sub-Saharan Africans to make the ones they already have feel more at home. That will help shrink the gap. Canadians will have ample opportunity to do this, and lots of help, probably during most of our lifetimes.

    Steve of Little Faith keeps implying that these gaps in scores, crime, income, home equity, traffic deaths, whatever, are somehow endemic to sub-Saharan African people. Imagine how they feel, so far from their homelands. If only they could go back — where they would feel so much better. If only they could go back home…

    ???

  19. @Jack777
    The Canadian-born black average seems truly awful. I thought Canada was supposed to practice selective immigration. These figures are, however, not easy to interpret in isolation. For the non-white immigrant groups, there's "born in Canada" data only for NE Asians and blacks, and while NE Asians seem to do better when born in Canada, blacks do a bit worse.

    The difference between the 1st and 2nd immigrant generations is a function of at least three factors: acculturation (mainly, learning the language), regression to the (genotypic) mean, and differences in the composition of different immigrant waves (e.g. earlier black immigrants may have been more disproportionately Caribbean than later immigrants). It's not easy to parse these factors.

    Replies: @MM, @Some Guy, @beavertales, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @Joe Paluka

    Note that this table lists the PARENTS place of birth, not the children’s.

  20. I ran across an article in which the New Zealand education minister (or some such) claimed that White students in New Zealand were the world’s 2nd-highest scoring group on the PISA tests, but which didn’t provide their actual scores or any references (of course).

    So I eventually googled up “Ethnicity[sic], gender, socioeconomic status and
    educational achievement: An exploration”
    .

    White NZ tudents scored about 550-560, so the “2nd highest” claim is plausible, and Maori students averaged about 100 points (=1 standard deviation lower.

    Fun fact: In NZ, Whites/Europeans are amusingly called “Pakeha”.

  21. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    Filipinos score pretty well on California school tests.

    Replies: @Marquis, @stillCARealist, @ginger bread man, @Anonymous Jew, @Hapalong Cassidy

    There’s Chinese Filipinos, Spanish Filipinos, and true islanders, in my experience. The Chinese ones are fairly sharp, but the Spanish speakers can become like Mexican losers if they choose. We have some Islanders renting from us and they can never pay the rent on time. They send AMAP back to the home country and have huge feasting parties that packs on far too many calories. Nice folks, though.

  22. @Jack777
    The Canadian-born black average seems truly awful. I thought Canada was supposed to practice selective immigration. These figures are, however, not easy to interpret in isolation. For the non-white immigrant groups, there's "born in Canada" data only for NE Asians and blacks, and while NE Asians seem to do better when born in Canada, blacks do a bit worse.

    The difference between the 1st and 2nd immigrant generations is a function of at least three factors: acculturation (mainly, learning the language), regression to the (genotypic) mean, and differences in the composition of different immigrant waves (e.g. earlier black immigrants may have been more disproportionately Caribbean than later immigrants). It's not easy to parse these factors.

    Replies: @MM, @Some Guy, @beavertales, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @Joe Paluka

    Canada is beset with chain migration, which doesn’t select for any skills or education. One refugee can bring in a small village worth of relatives. one refugee sponsored 150 family members.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/marcus-askar-150-somali-family-1.4394375

    With predictable results:

    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/crime/rewards-renewed-for-11-unsolved-edmonton-homicides-linked-to-somali-community

    Canada has a black murder problem.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @beavertales

    Canada has a black murder problem.

    The sheer unmitigated stupidity of Canada is hard to fathom. They had more than a century to observe the effect of importing a large black population on their southern neighbor & they still
    did this to themselves.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  23. @Bardon Kaldian
    Yeah, but NE Asian top scores like Hong Kong and Canada are evidently the product of drill (or perhaps something more nefarious).

    Replies: @Gordo

    Yeah, but NE Asian top scores like Hong Kong and Canada are evidently the product of drill (or perhaps something more nefarious).

    Yes I know what you mean.

    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
    @Gordo

    When white mothers are obsessed with putting their kids through all the right sports, Chinese mothers are doing everything to make their kids smart. If white kids get to post secondary education, all they care about is getting into the "right" fraternities that have the best parties. Chinese students want to get into courses that will get them the highest paying jobs. In the end, who's going to be working for who?

  24. Remember when Canucks used to look like this?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Gordo

    Gordo, I actually remember seeing 'Mounties' like this in my youthful forays into Northern Ontario and there was a TV series "Sargent Preston of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police." I thought the sidearm with the lanyard was cool.

    Replies: @Right_On, @San Fernando Curt, @CCZ

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Gordo

    Speaking of the RCMP, this is an alleged interview with one of Castreau's sniper detail who are threatening to quit over forced jabs:

    https://www.eastonspectator.com/2021/10/25/exclusive-trudeaus-sniper-detail-blasts-pm-over-mandate/

    , @Bragadocious
    @Gordo

    Gabe Wortman looked like that.

    Yeah, Canadian whites have never impressed me.

  25. Yesterday Clyde posted this under “The Hunt for the Great White Woman Racist“:

    ‘Mold, mice and roaches force Howard University students to pitch tents outside or sleep inside the school’s common areas’ – as protests continue for a second week
    On social media, students have shared videos of the unsafe living condition
    Students of the historically black university have organized in tents outside of campus and in sleeping bags inside the social hub and the university center
    They are demanding a town hall meeting with the university’s president before October ends, the release of a housing plan that addresses their concerns
    ‘Sometimes the dorms don’t have heating, sometimes the pipes are bursting,’ said Jaelan Trapp, a senior at Howard University

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10126307/Howard-University-dorms-infested-mice-roaches-mold-students-say.html

    And Anon posted this link in reply:

    Howard University announces largest single-donor gift [ \$40 million] from philanthropist MacKenzie Scott

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/howard-university-announces-largest-single-donor-gift-from-philanthropist-mackenzie-scott/2020/07/28/e354fc92-d116-11ea-8c55-61e7fa5e82ab_story.html

    Howard is supposed to be the best HBCU in America. They (like other HBCUs) get lots of money from the Feds. Howard actually has reasonably smart students (1213 average SAT). Yet even this HBCU crown jewel is a dysfunctional mess.

    https://www.azquotes.com/quote/658622

    “I have always observed that wherever you find the negro, everything is going down around him, and wherever you find the white man, you see everything around him improving.”

    Robert E. Lee

    And maybe it’s not just IQ.

  26. The Establishment needs this info so they can more effectively manage the destruction of White people. Sure, we need forced integration and the destruction of White communities. That’s all part of the pogrom against Whitey of the last 70 years.

    But can’t this anti-White project be done in a way that allows Sports Cucks and Data-Boys to have a special set aside for themselves? And in a more subtle way that allows Cornball Minnesota Whites to keep pretending they don’t notice?

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    But can’t this anti-White project be done in a way that allows Sports Cucks and Data-Boys to have a special set aside for themselves? And in a more subtle way that allows Cornball Minnesota Whites to keep pretending they don’t notice?

     

    But where is the fun in that? I mean, if you don't rub their noses in it.

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

  27. Can you find test scores by race for the UK, France, Germany etc? But I guess colonialism is to blame there… which I assume to be the equivalent of the Confederacy.
    Also can you get the scores for Wakanda? I understand that black folk were kangz there..

  28. England provides proof of what would’ve happened had there been no slavery in the USA.

    The English ended the global slave trade (minus muslim lands) which yielded them zero gratitude and the same tsunami of culture-wrecking multicultural diarrhea now found in every Western nation, courtesy of The Nose and greedy Gentile quislings.

    • Agree: Joe Paluka
  29. @ic1000
    It's helpful that they set the mean to 100 and the std. dev. to 15. (On twitter, @HumanVarieties explains the difference between 'mean' and 'composite': "The average is just the average of reading, math, and OSSLT IQ-metricized scores. The composite then applies the following formula [here] to make a summary score comparable to FSIQ, which also is a composite. but similar.")

    Lowest composites:

    94.0 Middle Eastern - Afghanistan
    93.8 Latin American - South America
    91.7 Aboriginal - [Canada]
    91.6 Latin American - all
    91.5 Black/African - all
    90.8 Latin American - Central America
    89.0 Black/African - Canada
    88.7 Black/African - Caribbean

    After two other subcategories of Black/African, the next-lowest score is a jump to 97.5, Filipino.

    The highest score is:

    115.9 North East Asian - Canada

    After other NE Asian subcategories, it's some White and some South East Asian categories.

    Thanks for compiling the numbers, @HumanVarieties. Looks pretty familiar.

    Replies: @Spangel112, @Almost Missouri, @Black Athena

    What could southeast Asian mean here? The score is high yet the scores of Vietnamese and Filipinos are lower than the white average, and in the US those are the highest scoring southeast Asians. The Hmong and Cambodians are typically lower scoring in the us. I don’t believe Indonesians do particularly well in other nations. I could believe Malays do well but how many of those could there be?

    In any case, why is a southeast Asian sub category classed under a northeast Asian category? Are they counting Taiwan as southeast Asian? Chinese minorities from Malaysia and Indonesia who have immigrated to Canada?

  30. By the way, for COVID alternative treatment fans, old news:

    https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/why-hcq-ivermectin-dropped-india-covid-treatment-protocol-1857306-2021-09-26

    Why HCQ and Ivermectin were removed from India’s Covid-19 treatment protocol

    Ivermectin and HCQ were dropped from the clinical guidance after studies found that these drugs have little to no effect on Covid-related mortality or clinical recovery of the patient.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

    Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid ‘miracle’ drug

    • Replies: @gda53
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Amazing how the sheep are willing, nay anxious, to promote the lies of their masters.

    It's a 'thing'.

    I suggest you dig a little deeper and you will find the truth is quite the opposite of your smugly provided propaganda.

    Baaaaa.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoFaJCoAw7g

    "Highly unvaccinated Indian state Uttar Pradesh, with 210 million inhabitants, roughly the same population as the whole of Brazil, had a surge in Covid cases earlier this year that ended abruptly after widespread use of ivermectin, despite objections and criticism from WHO. In another state, however, Tamil Nadu, that did not use ivermectin, cases tripled instead of declining dramatically as in the rest of the country. This is why Indian lawyers took legal action against WHO chief scientist for suppressing data on ivermectin to treat Covid."
    https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/why-all-the-fuss-about-ivermectin-that-became-in-many-countries-a-dirty-word/

    , @artichoke
    @Bardon Kaldian

    A major flaw in the pro-ivermectin studies is considered to be that local health bodies didn't know the trial was going on. Two different lists of flaws appear in the article, and this is the last on each list. When I learned science, I don't recall "informing major organizations you're doing an experiment" was a necessary part of research.

    If the local health body had known, do you think the study would have been allowed to run unimpeded? lolol

  31. Alright, so here’s “statistics” for ya.

    1. Everybody knows that unemployment statistics are bunk. There are a lot more unemployed than the statistics say.

    2. Everybody knows that GDP statistics are bullshit. And forget the fact that a chemical plant makes a bunch of chemicals and dumps the waste in a river, and that’s considered a credit instead of a debit. Even forgetting that, the GDP statistics are bullshit.

    3. Everybody knows that inflation statistics are nonsense. Anybody who buys things knows that the cost of everything is always going up much more and faster than the statistics say.

    4. Everybody knows that Covid statistics are bunk. They count people who died from heart attack or cancer or general malaise as Covid. They don’t count people who died from the vaccine as dying from the vaccine. Just for starters. Total bunk.

    There ya go. I got a million of ’em.

    • Troll: Tony massey
    • Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster
    @obwandiyag

    What syphilis does to the brain.

  32. @Jack777
    The Canadian-born black average seems truly awful. I thought Canada was supposed to practice selective immigration. These figures are, however, not easy to interpret in isolation. For the non-white immigrant groups, there's "born in Canada" data only for NE Asians and blacks, and while NE Asians seem to do better when born in Canada, blacks do a bit worse.

    The difference between the 1st and 2nd immigrant generations is a function of at least three factors: acculturation (mainly, learning the language), regression to the (genotypic) mean, and differences in the composition of different immigrant waves (e.g. earlier black immigrants may have been more disproportionately Caribbean than later immigrants). It's not easy to parse these factors.

    Replies: @MM, @Some Guy, @beavertales, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @Joe Paluka

    I thought Canada was supposed to practice selective immigration.

    Selection is based on a points system. Exceptions are made for “refugees”. A lot of points relate to an immigrant’s facility with Canada’s two official languages, English and French. My impression is that Haitian Creole is treated as if it were French. I certainly noticed a shocking increase in the numbers of Haitians in Montreal over my regular visits to that city over the past three decades. During my last visit, various individuals warned me that I should take care to avoid certain parts of downtown that had become Haitian enclaves. My observations while skirting one of these areas was that these individuals had, if anything, understated the sense of menace.

    Canada is insanely PC even by the USA’s current insanely PC standards. Over the last thirty years I’ve seen immigration turn once pleasant Canadian cities like Montreal and Toronto into urban pest holes only slightly better than their US counterparts.

    • Replies: @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    You are correct that the number of Haitians in Montreal has increased enormously.

    I wil say this: the initial wave of Haitians in Quebec was mostly educated Haitians who fled Duvalier and its pro-black (as opposed to mulatto) ideology, and were generally well integrated and successfull. But the latest crop is showing every sign of reverting to generic north american black average, adopting american ghetto black culture https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2021-09-04/gangs-de-rue/le-nouveau-far-west.php . The area around Montreal-Nord (away from downtown) is sliding into ghetto territory with an increasing and worrisome increase in shootings. Though I have to put this into perspective: in 2020 Montreal had a murder rate of 0.97 (per 100 000 pop) https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510007101&pickMembers%5B0%5D=2.2&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2016&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2020&referencePeriods=20160101%2C20200101
    That would make it pretty much the safest city in the US. https://www.statista.com/statistics/718903/murder-rate-in-us-cities-in-2015/
    Toronto : 1.62
    Canada: 1.95
    US: 7.8

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ed, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Most immigrants go through a selection process, and those generally do rather well. But a significant portion of immigrants come through either family reunification process or as refugees, and those are not selected, and they don't do as well.

  33. Afghanistan is a Central Asian country whose eastern border area is South Asian. It’s not a MiddleEastern country. If Afghanistan was left out, the MiddleEast composite score would rise quite a bit.

    List of countries that make up the MiddleEast from the National Statistic Bureau of France. Afghanistan is not in it.
    https://www.insee.fr/en/metadonnees/definition/c1202

    On the other hand, Encyclopedia Britannica has Afghanistan in the MiddleEast, but leaves our Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia.
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Middle-East

    I recall years back the BBC used to have Afghanistan news in the South Asia section. BBC World News got rid of the South Asia section and now just has an Asia section, with Afghanistan in the Asia section. There is a separate Middle East section.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world/asia

    Wikipedia does not include Afghanistan as a MiddleEast country
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East

    Having spent a lot of time in the MiddleEast, my expereince has been that Arabs do not consider Afghanistan a part of the MiddleEast.

  34. Why is the South East Asian composite score lower than the South Asian composite? Was not expecting this.

    • Replies: @BRK2
    @greysquirrell

    I would say the average SE Asian has a higher IQ than an average South Asian, but South Asians have more selective immigration than SE Asians. Middle-class Filipinos, Cambodians, etc. immigrate. Most South Asian immigrants from India and Pakistan are elite Brahmins.

  35. To be fair, the test scores of black Canadians are probably better than those of black Americans. And both are far, far better than the test scores of blacks in Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa, which are somewhere down in the 70s.

    In general, black test scores, life expectancy, and incomes get better the closer blacks get to whites. Life expectancy among blacks who live in Western countries is about 15 years higher than black life expectancy in Africa. Black incomes are 10-20-30 times higher than black incomes in Africa. If I moved to a country and my life expectancy immediately increased by 15 years, my kids’ IQ scores increased by 10 points, and my income increased by 2000% I would not be complaining about that country, no matter how much better many of the other people in the country had it.

    The truly awesome fact about the white racist miasma is that it’s the only contagion in all of history that gets more powerful and deadly the farther you get from it. It’s like saying that the best way to avoid AIDS is to visit a gay bachelor party at Harvey Fierstein’s place on Fire Island.

    • Agree: Spud Boy
    • Thanks: Old Prude, Polistra
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Wilkey

    Thinking of what you, Arclight and others have said numerous times here: Oh, if only White people could just go on strike. Imagine it like John Galt and his friends in Atlas Shrugged. Just have all us terrible White people stop working and disappear. Then let's see how the rest of the world gets along...

    Replies: @Travis

    , @Spangel112
    @Wilkey

    we know what the narrative is. Further away from America means blacks were devastated by European colonialism. Without that africa would be wakanda.

    No one ever asks for an explanation as to why Asian people, who were colonized by the same European powers that colonized Africa, are doing so well if colonialism is to blame.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @martin_2

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Wilkey


    To be fair, the test scores of black Canadians are probably better than those of black Americans. And both are far, far better than the test scores of blacks in Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa, which are somewhere down in the 70s.
     
    The black Canadian population in the modern era is largely the product of elite out-migration from British Commonwealth nations which were formerly slave colonies, being mostly in the West Indies. Evidently this has the long-term effect of lowering both the overall IQ of Canada and of the donor Caribbean nations as the second generations revert to the mean in Canada.
    , @Return of Shawn
    @Wilkey

    Let's not forget the fact that you can have and impregnate a blonde, blue-eyed woman and have more attractive kids.

    , @Anonymous Jew
    @Wilkey

    Reminds me of the Russian(?) parable: a farmer is offered a wish, but his neighbor must get it twice. The farmer asks to have one eye removed.

    Rationally, Black resentment is completely unjustified, but I also sort of get it. Imagine if you were whisked away to some majority Elf kingdom where the average Elf IQ was 120 and you only qualified for menial jobs. Worse still, all the Elves were - by average White standards - annoyingly hyper-conscientious, diligent, mild mannered etc. Regardless of the health benefits, wealth, etc, you probably wouldn’t want to be ruled by these Elves or constantly reminded that they are smarter and less criminal than your fellow Whites.

    Anyways, the numbers provide more great argument material, not that we need it. And not that it matters, since the Left doesn’t care about arguments.

    So it goes something like this:
    Purple hair lady “Blacks underperform because of systemic racism”
    Crime thinker “But many other groups experienced racism and they do fine”
    Purple hair lady “Unlike NE and S Asians, Blacks weren’t immigrants - they were slaves and suffered from historical…”
    Crime thinker “But Black immigrants in Canada, Australia and Europe underperform by roughly the same degree as American Blacks”
    Purple hair lady “You’re racist!”

    Someone above brought up cheating to explain the Asian test scores. You can’t rule that out, but we also know that NE Asians adopted by Whites still, ever so slightly, outperform Whites. And presumably these Asian adoptees aren’t coming from the top of the Asian IQ curve. Considering that many of the Asians in Canada DO come from the top of their respective IQ curve, the test scores don’t surprise me and don’t necessarily indicate cheating.

    Replies: @Tony massey

  36. OT – South African cricketer dropped from the team for refusing to do the BLM kneeling thing.

    So far so humdrum, but a nice piece of sophistry from his employers, the South African cricket authorities.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/oct/26/cricket-quinton-de-kock-misses-t20-world-cup-game-south-africa-players-told-take-knee

    “After considering all relevant issues, including the freedom of choice of players, the board had made it clear it was imperative for the team to be seen taking a stand against racism, especially given South Africa’s history. The Board’s view was that while diversity can and should find expression in many facets of daily lives, this did not apply when it came to taking a stand against racism.

    I think we may well see this “exceptional clause” applied to the struggle against (natch) antisemitism, sexism, transphobia and who knows what other invented pathologies?

    De Kock has yet to comment on his absence from Tuesday’s game, but has declined to take a knee before games in the past, calling it in June “my own personal opinion … it’s everyone’s decision. No one is forced to do anything.”

    That view turned out to be wrong.

    • Replies: @sb
    @Obstinate Cymric

    This should be a big story but will probably only receive any attention in the cricket playing world and then only for a day .
    It seems that it is becoming mandatory internationally to be a supporter of the American Black Lives Matter organisation . No kneel no job .
    I guess that this will be the end of de Kock's cricketing career .
    I note that even supposedly conservative media like the UK Daily Telegraph are steering clear of expressing an opinion on de Kock's stance ( no surprises there )

    , @Pericles
    @Obstinate Cymric

    Popper's paradox: to maintain a tolerant society, society must be intolerant of intolerance.

    So what is intolerance then? Don't worry, we'll tell you.

  37. @Wilkey
    To be fair, the test scores of black Canadians are probably better than those of black Americans. And both are far, far better than the test scores of blacks in Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa, which are somewhere down in the 70s.

    In general, black test scores, life expectancy, and incomes get better the closer blacks get to whites. Life expectancy among blacks who live in Western countries is about 15 years higher than black life expectancy in Africa. Black incomes are 10-20-30 times higher than black incomes in Africa. If I moved to a country and my life expectancy immediately increased by 15 years, my kids' IQ scores increased by 10 points, and my income increased by 2000% I would not be complaining about that country, no matter how much better many of the other people in the country had it.

    The truly awesome fact about the white racist miasma is that it's the only contagion in all of history that gets more powerful and deadly the farther you get from it. It's like saying that the best way to avoid AIDS is to visit a gay bachelor party at Harvey Fierstein's place on Fire Island.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Spangel112, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Return of Shawn, @Anonymous Jew

    Thinking of what you, Arclight and others have said numerous times here: Oh, if only White people could just go on strike. Imagine it like John Galt and his friends in Atlas Shrugged. Just have all us terrible White people stop working and disappear. Then let’s see how the rest of the world gets along…

    • Agree: Wilkey
    • Replies: @Travis
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It appears White people are on Strike.
    https://twitter.com/JDKnox4/status/1453123133527965697?s=20
    Whites have stopped having children. So Blacks will find out soon how to survive without having whites cater to them.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  38. @Wilkey
    To be fair, the test scores of black Canadians are probably better than those of black Americans. And both are far, far better than the test scores of blacks in Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa, which are somewhere down in the 70s.

    In general, black test scores, life expectancy, and incomes get better the closer blacks get to whites. Life expectancy among blacks who live in Western countries is about 15 years higher than black life expectancy in Africa. Black incomes are 10-20-30 times higher than black incomes in Africa. If I moved to a country and my life expectancy immediately increased by 15 years, my kids' IQ scores increased by 10 points, and my income increased by 2000% I would not be complaining about that country, no matter how much better many of the other people in the country had it.

    The truly awesome fact about the white racist miasma is that it's the only contagion in all of history that gets more powerful and deadly the farther you get from it. It's like saying that the best way to avoid AIDS is to visit a gay bachelor party at Harvey Fierstein's place on Fire Island.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Spangel112, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Return of Shawn, @Anonymous Jew

    we know what the narrative is. Further away from America means blacks were devastated by European colonialism. Without that africa would be wakanda.

    No one ever asks for an explanation as to why Asian people, who were colonized by the same European powers that colonized Africa, are doing so well if colonialism is to blame.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Spangel112


    No one ever asks for an explanation as to why Asian people, who were colonized by the same European powers that colonized Africa, are doing so well if colonialism is to blame.</blockquote

    One of the older arguments we used to hear is that former African colonies have failed because the European colonial powers threw rival ethnic groups together into the same country, which lead to political instability.

    But this argument ever so slightly undermines all the demands for Diversity!, so we seldom hear it anymore, if at all.

    Yesterday: We are at war with Diversity.
    Today: We are at peace with Diversity. We have always been at peace with Diversity.
     

     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    , @martin_2
    @Spangel112

    Nor does anyone ask why the populations of the countries that were colonised rose dramatically after the Europeans arrived in the nineteenth century. Nor do they ask why the countries that were colonised are now generally better off than those that weren't.

  39. Are mixed race people left out or double counted?

  40. @ic1000
    It's helpful that they set the mean to 100 and the std. dev. to 15. (On twitter, @HumanVarieties explains the difference between 'mean' and 'composite': "The average is just the average of reading, math, and OSSLT IQ-metricized scores. The composite then applies the following formula [here] to make a summary score comparable to FSIQ, which also is a composite. but similar.")

    Lowest composites:

    94.0 Middle Eastern - Afghanistan
    93.8 Latin American - South America
    91.7 Aboriginal - [Canada]
    91.6 Latin American - all
    91.5 Black/African - all
    90.8 Latin American - Central America
    89.0 Black/African - Canada
    88.7 Black/African - Caribbean

    After two other subcategories of Black/African, the next-lowest score is a jump to 97.5, Filipino.

    The highest score is:

    115.9 North East Asian - Canada

    After other NE Asian subcategories, it's some White and some South East Asian categories.

    Thanks for compiling the numbers, @HumanVarieties. Looks pretty familiar.

    Replies: @Spangel112, @Almost Missouri, @Black Athena

    The highest score is:

    115.9 North East Asian – Canada

    This is more remarkable because most North East Asians (other than Hong Kongers) do not speak English natively, so their Reading scores are somewhat crippled compared to native English-speaking groups. (This also raises the question of how the White Canadian group Reading score handles Quebecois.)

    The West African Reading score has a bump up compared to the rest of Africa: presumably the legacy of Igbo supremacy.

    Latin Americans (presumably heavily aboriginal to Latin America) embarrassingly under-score Canadian Aboriginals. I would’ve said language unfamiliarity, but the Math gap is similar. High-Latitude supremacism, or maybe those aboriginal boarding schools weren’t so bad for Canadian Aboriginals after all?

    Canadian immigration policy is supposedly highly rationalist, but what is the rationale for importing people less capable than the people already there? At least the Old South openly admitted they only wanted them for strong-backed tropical climate field labor in the 19th century, but what’s techno-futurist Canada’s excuse?

    P.S. What is “South” Canada? Sounds like a Canadian-supremacist euphemism for USA.

    • Replies: @Spangel112
    @Almost Missouri

    There doesn’t appear to be much of any high latitude iq boosting effect when comparing scores of Central American students in the US with Native American students. As Steve has pointed out many times, the us native scores have plunged badly over the last decade.

    How aboriginal are Canadian aboriginals? Maybe they are whiter than the Central American migrants to Canada are.

    , @anon
    @Almost Missouri

    Current Canadian immigration policy is not highly rationalist at all.
    The majority of immigrants are family reunification (useless relatives of earlier immigrants) and refugees

    The really smart ones don't stay long before migrating to the States

    Replies: @epebble

  41. @Jack777
    The Canadian-born black average seems truly awful. I thought Canada was supposed to practice selective immigration. These figures are, however, not easy to interpret in isolation. For the non-white immigrant groups, there's "born in Canada" data only for NE Asians and blacks, and while NE Asians seem to do better when born in Canada, blacks do a bit worse.

    The difference between the 1st and 2nd immigrant generations is a function of at least three factors: acculturation (mainly, learning the language), regression to the (genotypic) mean, and differences in the composition of different immigrant waves (e.g. earlier black immigrants may have been more disproportionately Caribbean than later immigrants). It's not easy to parse these factors.

    Replies: @MM, @Some Guy, @beavertales, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @Joe Paluka

    “born in Canada” data

    Is that somewhere on a government website?

    acculturation (mainly, learning the language)

    How much acculturation is there of 2nd generation African immigrants assimilating to ghetto/rap culture versus 2nd generation Asian immigrants assimilating to nerd/academic culture?

  42. The political left’s narrative on race and privilege and almost everything is grossly dishonest, and mean spirited. That’s not very subtle. That said, I don’t like to gloat about black people getting low test scores or the negative traits of any broad demographic group.

    Peter Daszak is a smart white British guy who invented the COVID-19 virus and got the US to pay him millions to do it. He seems like an intelligent yet horrible mass murderer. Most of this crowd would prefer kind people over smart unkind people.

  43. @Almost Missouri
    @ic1000


    The highest score is:

    115.9 North East Asian – Canada
     
    This is more remarkable because most North East Asians (other than Hong Kongers) do not speak English natively, so their Reading scores are somewhat crippled compared to native English-speaking groups. (This also raises the question of how the White Canadian group Reading score handles Quebecois.)

    The West African Reading score has a bump up compared to the rest of Africa: presumably the legacy of Igbo supremacy.

    Latin Americans (presumably heavily aboriginal to Latin America) embarrassingly under-score Canadian Aboriginals. I would've said language unfamiliarity, but the Math gap is similar. High-Latitude supremacism, or maybe those aboriginal boarding schools weren't so bad for Canadian Aboriginals after all?

    Canadian immigration policy is supposedly highly rationalist, but what is the rationale for importing people less capable than the people already there? At least the Old South openly admitted they only wanted them for strong-backed tropical climate field labor in the 19th century, but what's techno-futurist Canada's excuse?

    P.S. What is "South" Canada? Sounds like a Canadian-supremacist euphemism for USA.

    Replies: @Spangel112, @anon

    There doesn’t appear to be much of any high latitude iq boosting effect when comparing scores of Central American students in the US with Native American students. As Steve has pointed out many times, the us native scores have plunged badly over the last decade.

    How aboriginal are Canadian aboriginals? Maybe they are whiter than the Central American migrants to Canada are.

  44. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    Filipinos score pretty well on California school tests.

    Replies: @Marquis, @stillCARealist, @ginger bread man, @Anonymous Jew, @Hapalong Cassidy

    Something very important to understand that I’ve never heard Steve talk about is that Filipinos are a heterogeneous Group with a lot of admixture. Many Filipinos who migrate to the US have Chinese ancestry. It’s estimated that up to 25% of the Filipino population have Chinese ancestry. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Filipino

    A much much smaller percentage contain Spanish ancestry. I couldn’t find any stats, but my guess is that between 1-5% of Filipinos contain Spanish or Western ancestry. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Filipino

    So, my guess is much of the high test scores and achievement of the Filipinos can be traced to demographics.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @ginger bread man

    The Philippines is a multiethnic place, with Tagalog being a constructed lingua France much like Bahasa Indonesia does I'm Indonesia. But racially speaking, they are basically Malay. Bahasa native speakers in Malaysia and Indonesia can pick out cognates in Tagalog and vice versa. And once you get past the gaping religious difference (Catholicism vs Islam, although it should be noted that both the PI and Indonesia have religious minorities) and the Westernization of the Filipinos, the culture underneath is really quite similar, both the good and the bad.

    Re, the Chinese, although I'm skeptical it's that high, since the Philippines isn't Muslim, intermarriage and assimilation was a lot easier. Thailand and Vietnam, too, had bourgeois Chinese communities that blended in over time, though the war and the Communist aftermath decimated the latter.

    Replies: @ginger bread man

  45. Totally Off Topic.

    I’m not going to watch Wes Anderson’s new movie.

    I only watched 2 or 3 and I blame you Steve for having given it a go in the first place.

    His movies are quite well done. The first I watched was that old hotel movie. Very beautiful. As beautiful as that Indian movie and the Tennenbaums. It really impressed me but maybe only because it was the firsy of his movies I’d seen(?) but I enjoyed it.

    But by the time I saw 3 movies I got the picture.

    He is ben and jerrys to the Coen Brothers haagen daze.

    He does what they but:

    More colorfully — which is why you SHOULD watch at least ONE of his movies because it’s a cool experience.

    But he is less careful.

    Less intelligent.

    The emotional effects of his movies disappat faster.

    And crucially — the primar emotion he enjoys influcting is an autistic version of sadness.

    The Coens not only have r a n g e they have depth. And a RICH depth.

    Wes Anderson’s art is a brightly colored splish splash painting that spells out some tragically fatalistic misperception in calligraphic wonder.

    So yeah, check out one of his films but when it’s over you’ll find yourself feeling that uneasy sense of emptiness like the aftertaste of diet soda.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @wjdjfbrie

    wj, Anderson has a range of movies and I think they are all well done. His animated "Fantastic Mr. Fox" is a fun viewing. A movie that is not deep doesn't mean it can't be entertaining. Good comment by the way.

  46. @Wilkey
    To be fair, the test scores of black Canadians are probably better than those of black Americans. And both are far, far better than the test scores of blacks in Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa, which are somewhere down in the 70s.

    In general, black test scores, life expectancy, and incomes get better the closer blacks get to whites. Life expectancy among blacks who live in Western countries is about 15 years higher than black life expectancy in Africa. Black incomes are 10-20-30 times higher than black incomes in Africa. If I moved to a country and my life expectancy immediately increased by 15 years, my kids' IQ scores increased by 10 points, and my income increased by 2000% I would not be complaining about that country, no matter how much better many of the other people in the country had it.

    The truly awesome fact about the white racist miasma is that it's the only contagion in all of history that gets more powerful and deadly the farther you get from it. It's like saying that the best way to avoid AIDS is to visit a gay bachelor party at Harvey Fierstein's place on Fire Island.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Spangel112, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Return of Shawn, @Anonymous Jew

    To be fair, the test scores of black Canadians are probably better than those of black Americans. And both are far, far better than the test scores of blacks in Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa, which are somewhere down in the 70s.

    The black Canadian population in the modern era is largely the product of elite out-migration from British Commonwealth nations which were formerly slave colonies, being mostly in the West Indies. Evidently this has the long-term effect of lowering both the overall IQ of Canada and of the donor Caribbean nations as the second generations revert to the mean in Canada.

  47. Somewhat related. Steve’s observation of whites not tending to take advantage of the USA’s one drop mentality to falsely claim non-white status seems to have fallen apart, at least according to one survey.

    34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits
    https://www.intelligent.com/34-of-white-college-students-lied-about-their-race-to-improve-chances-of-admission-financial-aid-benefits/?adfa

    34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application
    48% of people who lied claimed to be Native American

    3/4 of people who faked being a racial minority on their applications were accepted by the colleges to which they lied


    Intelligent.com
    asked 1,250 white college applicants ages 16 and older if they lied on their application by indicating they were a racial minority.

    I once met a Canadian guy who looked like an Abercrombie and Fitch model (Before they got self-conscious and diversified) who was even named ‘Lance’ who said he was the last generation who could still claim benefits from the state on the basis of his First Nations heritage. I said I think it should have ended a generation earlier, he laughed and agreed.

    Men were much more likely than women, shocking if true but their survey found 48% of white males admitted to lying about non-white ancestry they didn’t really have. Only 16% of the women said they did. The bulk claimed Native American ancestry which seems safest (You can credibly claim it was your Great-Great Grandfather and the low numbers of Native Americans means people with low amounts of ancestry are more significant) and perhaps most attractive.

    They surveyed 1250 people but I’d still like to know what the sampling bias might be.

    Nearly half of all respondents who lied about their minority status (48%) identified themselves as Native American on their applications.

    Thirteen percent claimed to be Latino, 10% claimed to be Black, and 9% claimed to be Asian or Pacific Islander.

    Twice as many men as women claimed Native American heritage on their applications (54% compared to 24%). Meanwhile, one in four women (24%) claimed to be Latino. Women are also more than twice as likely as men to pretend to be Black (18% compared to 8%).

    According to Intelligent.com Managing Editor Kristen Scatton, the prevalence of applicants who claim Native American ancestry is possibly due to the popular narrative that for many Americans, a small percentage of their DNA comes from a Native American tribe.

    “For college applicants who are trying to give their application a boost by pretending to be a racial minority, they may seize on this notion that many Americans of European descent have some Native American DNA in their bloodline,” Scatton says. “However, research has shown that’s not all that common, particularly among white Americans. But applicants are banking on the fact that no college is going to ask them to provide a DNA sample to verify.”

    All data found within this report derives from a survey commissioned by Intelligent.com and conducted online by survey platform Pollfish. In total, 1,250 white Americans were surveyed. To qualify for the survey, each respondent had to have previously applied to a college or university in the U.S. Appropriate respondents were found via a screening question.

    Your mileage may vary as to if this is a real representative sample but it’d be fascinating to see the age profile breakdown. Was there a surge for those who applied during the early years of Affirmative Action, a lull afterwards and a surge for Gen Zers applying in the time of the Great Awokening?

    It would also be interesting to see if the peculation of this kind of survey will make other whites start to do the same in a Prisoner’s Dilemma situation. According to this one there doesn’t seem to be any consequences for it. But surely soon with the proliferation of DNA testing, there be calls to validate such claims. (I’ve always thought the numbers of Native American students in university demographic breakdowns seemed quite high)

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Altai


    34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application
     
    As you indicate, this isn't science but it's Science! And it's going to be seized upon by the usual suspects in the MSM to show how the racist perfidy of wypipos knows no bounds. If it were real science the number would likely be around 3-4%, not 34%. Hmm, I wonder if it was just a sciency typo.
    , @Anon
    @Altai

    Pollfish is not a reliable source.

    , @Polistra
    @Altai


    But surely soon with the proliferation of DNA testing, there be calls to validate such claims.
     
    Blood tests for everyone! They can show covid status at the same time, and perhaps even suss out those molecules of white supremacy.

    This is your society on Judaism. Blood tests are de rigeur in Israel already, to establish or deny civil rights. In a very real way, it's no mystery at all why the chosen people are so obsessed with the nazis. Perfect doppelgängers.

    , @Wilkey
    @Altai


    34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits
     
    So apparently all my years of encouraging people to lie about their race on iSteve has paid off. I didn't realize so many teenagers were hanging out here.

    People may admit to lying in a survey, but how would a college or business go about proving you are lying? They can't require you to take a DNA test, and current Census records are off limits. Most colleges and businesses won't even try to validate your claim. A great many of them will be all too happy to be able to claim one more minority student, employee, or borrower. For most colleges and businesses, collecting data on race and ethnicity is just about filling out forms to keep the federal government happy. If there is any discrepancy all they have to do is point to the forms and lay the blame on you.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Altai


    34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits
     
    One has to wonder about sex, too. Lying about that is now encouraged.

    A young professor at U of St Thomas said there was a quiet bias in favor of men in the admissions departments. (Quiet for obvious reasons.) Student bodies have gotten so female of late that they are less attractive to young women. Both sexes are lost, leading to what he termed a "death spiral".

    (Alright, guys, get your sophomoric jokes about "sexc and "student bodies" out of the way.)
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Altai

    Altai, I think the word fibbed is better than lied, they were only looking to level the playing field.

    , @Pericles
    @Altai

    Could be they just consider themselves native americans.

  48. @Daniel H
    An unforced error.

    Replies: @Polistra

    Indeed so, and it’s one that every single previously white nation seems hell-bent on repeating. Except maybe Hungary, but the NYT is saying that they’re nazis.

    This 27 point gap between Northeast Asians and blacks must be due to Canada’s history of slavery, Confederate statues, Jim Crow, lynching, the burning down of the black Wall Street in Tulsa, Ontario, and redlining.

    Every single bit of America’s wealth was built by african slaves! Only somehow Canada and Australia are comparably wealthy, having had approximately zero african slaves, and Brazil with its much greater (and more brutal) history of slavery remains poor. A mystical conundrum! Shut up about it!

  49. @Altai
    Somewhat related. Steve's observation of whites not tending to take advantage of the USA's one drop mentality to falsely claim non-white status seems to have fallen apart, at least according to one survey.

    34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits
    https://www.intelligent.com/34-of-white-college-students-lied-about-their-race-to-improve-chances-of-admission-financial-aid-benefits/?adfa


    34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application
    48% of people who lied claimed to be Native American

    3/4 of people who faked being a racial minority on their applications were accepted by the colleges to which they lied

    ...


    Intelligent.com
    asked 1,250 white college applicants ages 16 and older if they lied on their application by indicating they were a racial minority.

     

    I once met a Canadian guy who looked like an Abercrombie and Fitch model (Before they got self-conscious and diversified) who was even named 'Lance' who said he was the last generation who could still claim benefits from the state on the basis of his First Nations heritage. I said I think it should have ended a generation earlier, he laughed and agreed.

    Men were much more likely than women, shocking if true but their survey found 48% of white males admitted to lying about non-white ancestry they didn't really have. Only 16% of the women said they did. The bulk claimed Native American ancestry which seems safest (You can credibly claim it was your Great-Great Grandfather and the low numbers of Native Americans means people with low amounts of ancestry are more significant) and perhaps most attractive.

    They surveyed 1250 people but I'd still like to know what the sampling bias might be.


    Nearly half of all respondents who lied about their minority status (48%) identified themselves as Native American on their applications.

    Thirteen percent claimed to be Latino, 10% claimed to be Black, and 9% claimed to be Asian or Pacific Islander.

    Twice as many men as women claimed Native American heritage on their applications (54% compared to 24%). Meanwhile, one in four women (24%) claimed to be Latino. Women are also more than twice as likely as men to pretend to be Black (18% compared to 8%).

    According to Intelligent.com Managing Editor Kristen Scatton, the prevalence of applicants who claim Native American ancestry is possibly due to the popular narrative that for many Americans, a small percentage of their DNA comes from a Native American tribe.

    “For college applicants who are trying to give their application a boost by pretending to be a racial minority, they may seize on this notion that many Americans of European descent have some Native American DNA in their bloodline,” Scatton says. “However, research has shown that’s not all that common, particularly among white Americans. But applicants are banking on the fact that no college is going to ask them to provide a DNA sample to verify.”
     

    All data found within this report derives from a survey commissioned by Intelligent.com and conducted online by survey platform Pollfish. In total, 1,250 white Americans were surveyed. To qualify for the survey, each respondent had to have previously applied to a college or university in the U.S. Appropriate respondents were found via a screening question.
     

    Your mileage may vary as to if this is a real representative sample but it'd be fascinating to see the age profile breakdown. Was there a surge for those who applied during the early years of Affirmative Action, a lull afterwards and a surge for Gen Zers applying in the time of the Great Awokening?

    It would also be interesting to see if the peculation of this kind of survey will make other whites start to do the same in a Prisoner's Dilemma situation. According to this one there doesn't seem to be any consequences for it. But surely soon with the proliferation of DNA testing, there be calls to validate such claims. (I've always thought the numbers of Native American students in university demographic breakdowns seemed quite high)

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anon, @Polistra, @Wilkey, @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe, @Pericles

    34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application

    As you indicate, this isn’t science but it’s Science! And it’s going to be seized upon by the usual suspects in the MSM to show how the racist perfidy of wypipos knows no bounds. If it were real science the number would likely be around 3-4%, not 34%. Hmm, I wonder if it was just a sciency typo.

  50. This whole school testing mania is a big load of political crap.

    Politicians mandate the tests as a way to show that they’re serious about accountability; and to funnel money to politically connected, testing firms. But taxpayers don’t care that government bureaucrats can show that tax dollars were flushed on teaching (hmm) math, any more than they do sekz ed, or flushed on high-speed trains, nuclear bomb-proof toilet seats, or whatever.

    Right-wingers use the always-dismal scores to argue for “school choice”, i.e. more tax dollars (Cdn) for private schools.

    Left-wingers use the data to argue for more t.d. for traditional skoolz.

    Centrists, like the blogger, argue for HBD.

    Careful homeschoolers recognize that such tests reveal nothing useful. They know exactly what their kids are studying, how much progress they’ve made, and so forth. They don’t need to be told, nor do non-tigers care, for instance that their 14 year old doesn’t know how to solve differential equations.

    • Agree: houston 1992
  51. @Altai
    Somewhat related. Steve's observation of whites not tending to take advantage of the USA's one drop mentality to falsely claim non-white status seems to have fallen apart, at least according to one survey.

    34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits
    https://www.intelligent.com/34-of-white-college-students-lied-about-their-race-to-improve-chances-of-admission-financial-aid-benefits/?adfa


    34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application
    48% of people who lied claimed to be Native American

    3/4 of people who faked being a racial minority on their applications were accepted by the colleges to which they lied

    ...


    Intelligent.com
    asked 1,250 white college applicants ages 16 and older if they lied on their application by indicating they were a racial minority.

     

    I once met a Canadian guy who looked like an Abercrombie and Fitch model (Before they got self-conscious and diversified) who was even named 'Lance' who said he was the last generation who could still claim benefits from the state on the basis of his First Nations heritage. I said I think it should have ended a generation earlier, he laughed and agreed.

    Men were much more likely than women, shocking if true but their survey found 48% of white males admitted to lying about non-white ancestry they didn't really have. Only 16% of the women said they did. The bulk claimed Native American ancestry which seems safest (You can credibly claim it was your Great-Great Grandfather and the low numbers of Native Americans means people with low amounts of ancestry are more significant) and perhaps most attractive.

    They surveyed 1250 people but I'd still like to know what the sampling bias might be.


    Nearly half of all respondents who lied about their minority status (48%) identified themselves as Native American on their applications.

    Thirteen percent claimed to be Latino, 10% claimed to be Black, and 9% claimed to be Asian or Pacific Islander.

    Twice as many men as women claimed Native American heritage on their applications (54% compared to 24%). Meanwhile, one in four women (24%) claimed to be Latino. Women are also more than twice as likely as men to pretend to be Black (18% compared to 8%).

    According to Intelligent.com Managing Editor Kristen Scatton, the prevalence of applicants who claim Native American ancestry is possibly due to the popular narrative that for many Americans, a small percentage of their DNA comes from a Native American tribe.

    “For college applicants who are trying to give their application a boost by pretending to be a racial minority, they may seize on this notion that many Americans of European descent have some Native American DNA in their bloodline,” Scatton says. “However, research has shown that’s not all that common, particularly among white Americans. But applicants are banking on the fact that no college is going to ask them to provide a DNA sample to verify.”
     

    All data found within this report derives from a survey commissioned by Intelligent.com and conducted online by survey platform Pollfish. In total, 1,250 white Americans were surveyed. To qualify for the survey, each respondent had to have previously applied to a college or university in the U.S. Appropriate respondents were found via a screening question.
     

    Your mileage may vary as to if this is a real representative sample but it'd be fascinating to see the age profile breakdown. Was there a surge for those who applied during the early years of Affirmative Action, a lull afterwards and a surge for Gen Zers applying in the time of the Great Awokening?

    It would also be interesting to see if the peculation of this kind of survey will make other whites start to do the same in a Prisoner's Dilemma situation. According to this one there doesn't seem to be any consequences for it. But surely soon with the proliferation of DNA testing, there be calls to validate such claims. (I've always thought the numbers of Native American students in university demographic breakdowns seemed quite high)

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anon, @Polistra, @Wilkey, @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe, @Pericles

    Pollfish is not a reliable source.

  52. @Altai
    Somewhat related. Steve's observation of whites not tending to take advantage of the USA's one drop mentality to falsely claim non-white status seems to have fallen apart, at least according to one survey.

    34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits
    https://www.intelligent.com/34-of-white-college-students-lied-about-their-race-to-improve-chances-of-admission-financial-aid-benefits/?adfa


    34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application
    48% of people who lied claimed to be Native American

    3/4 of people who faked being a racial minority on their applications were accepted by the colleges to which they lied

    ...


    Intelligent.com
    asked 1,250 white college applicants ages 16 and older if they lied on their application by indicating they were a racial minority.

     

    I once met a Canadian guy who looked like an Abercrombie and Fitch model (Before they got self-conscious and diversified) who was even named 'Lance' who said he was the last generation who could still claim benefits from the state on the basis of his First Nations heritage. I said I think it should have ended a generation earlier, he laughed and agreed.

    Men were much more likely than women, shocking if true but their survey found 48% of white males admitted to lying about non-white ancestry they didn't really have. Only 16% of the women said they did. The bulk claimed Native American ancestry which seems safest (You can credibly claim it was your Great-Great Grandfather and the low numbers of Native Americans means people with low amounts of ancestry are more significant) and perhaps most attractive.

    They surveyed 1250 people but I'd still like to know what the sampling bias might be.


    Nearly half of all respondents who lied about their minority status (48%) identified themselves as Native American on their applications.

    Thirteen percent claimed to be Latino, 10% claimed to be Black, and 9% claimed to be Asian or Pacific Islander.

    Twice as many men as women claimed Native American heritage on their applications (54% compared to 24%). Meanwhile, one in four women (24%) claimed to be Latino. Women are also more than twice as likely as men to pretend to be Black (18% compared to 8%).

    According to Intelligent.com Managing Editor Kristen Scatton, the prevalence of applicants who claim Native American ancestry is possibly due to the popular narrative that for many Americans, a small percentage of their DNA comes from a Native American tribe.

    “For college applicants who are trying to give their application a boost by pretending to be a racial minority, they may seize on this notion that many Americans of European descent have some Native American DNA in their bloodline,” Scatton says. “However, research has shown that’s not all that common, particularly among white Americans. But applicants are banking on the fact that no college is going to ask them to provide a DNA sample to verify.”
     

    All data found within this report derives from a survey commissioned by Intelligent.com and conducted online by survey platform Pollfish. In total, 1,250 white Americans were surveyed. To qualify for the survey, each respondent had to have previously applied to a college or university in the U.S. Appropriate respondents were found via a screening question.
     

    Your mileage may vary as to if this is a real representative sample but it'd be fascinating to see the age profile breakdown. Was there a surge for those who applied during the early years of Affirmative Action, a lull afterwards and a surge for Gen Zers applying in the time of the Great Awokening?

    It would also be interesting to see if the peculation of this kind of survey will make other whites start to do the same in a Prisoner's Dilemma situation. According to this one there doesn't seem to be any consequences for it. But surely soon with the proliferation of DNA testing, there be calls to validate such claims. (I've always thought the numbers of Native American students in university demographic breakdowns seemed quite high)

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anon, @Polistra, @Wilkey, @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe, @Pericles

    But surely soon with the proliferation of DNA testing, there be calls to validate such claims.

    Blood tests for everyone! They can show covid status at the same time, and perhaps even suss out those molecules of white supremacy.

    This is your society on Judaism. Blood tests are de rigeur in Israel already, to establish or deny civil rights. In a very real way, it’s no mystery at all why the chosen people are so obsessed with the nazis. Perfect doppelgängers.

  53. One thought leads to another…

    Japanese, with an average IQ of 109 by at least one test, are arguably the most intelligent ethnic group on the planet.

    On the other hand, my understanding is that the Japanese on Hawaii were brought there as farm labor — almost certainly, therefore, not drawn from the most exalted strata of Japanese society.

    These Japanese remain fairly ethnically distinct — one of Hawaii’s two senators is always Japanese.

    It’d be interesting to know what their average IQ is. It’d give some idea of the impact of class origin and culture on IQ scores. Are peasants inherently less intelligent than merchants, in other words.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Colin Wright

    Singapore and Malaysia's Chinese were hardly drawn from the intelligentsia, either. If you got the genetic substrate for intellectual gifts in the individual and the culture to hone them, all you need is will and time.

    It was not automatic, though. Nobody would have guessed that independent
    Singapore would have become a success. In the 1800s, many carried over grudges from the Old Country that devolves into violence, and Singapore had an organized crime problem until after independence. I think that's not unrelated to the blue collar nature of the exodus.

    Personally, I think focusing on functionality before popping out geniuses is wise.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Colin Wright


    Are peasants inherently less intelligent than merchants, in other words.
     
    Prior to the 20th century 98% of the population in most places were farmers or laborers so they should represent pretty much the whole bell curve of the population's intelligence spectrum. (And the 2% of merchants and elites were not necessarily the highest 2% of IQ either.)

    The self-selection of who has the personality or inclination to emigrate (assuming it was voluntary) is probably a bigger factor. I wonder if anyone has really studied that as it's hard to believe it's just a random cross-section. Emigrant populations ought to have some tendencies, whether it's risk taking or being a malcontent where you are, or whatever. Genetics and culture would both tend to pass these traits down.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  54. Cold weather.

    African DNA (recent transplants) doesn’t like it. Makes the blood flow sluggishly.

    The NYT will have Ibrim X. Kendi explain that to us soon.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Muggles

    Naw, we're going to find modern Canada is run by the descendants of Confederate blockade runners, or something similar.

  55. @Altai
    Somewhat related. Steve's observation of whites not tending to take advantage of the USA's one drop mentality to falsely claim non-white status seems to have fallen apart, at least according to one survey.

    34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits
    https://www.intelligent.com/34-of-white-college-students-lied-about-their-race-to-improve-chances-of-admission-financial-aid-benefits/?adfa


    34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application
    48% of people who lied claimed to be Native American

    3/4 of people who faked being a racial minority on their applications were accepted by the colleges to which they lied

    ...


    Intelligent.com
    asked 1,250 white college applicants ages 16 and older if they lied on their application by indicating they were a racial minority.

     

    I once met a Canadian guy who looked like an Abercrombie and Fitch model (Before they got self-conscious and diversified) who was even named 'Lance' who said he was the last generation who could still claim benefits from the state on the basis of his First Nations heritage. I said I think it should have ended a generation earlier, he laughed and agreed.

    Men were much more likely than women, shocking if true but their survey found 48% of white males admitted to lying about non-white ancestry they didn't really have. Only 16% of the women said they did. The bulk claimed Native American ancestry which seems safest (You can credibly claim it was your Great-Great Grandfather and the low numbers of Native Americans means people with low amounts of ancestry are more significant) and perhaps most attractive.

    They surveyed 1250 people but I'd still like to know what the sampling bias might be.


    Nearly half of all respondents who lied about their minority status (48%) identified themselves as Native American on their applications.

    Thirteen percent claimed to be Latino, 10% claimed to be Black, and 9% claimed to be Asian or Pacific Islander.

    Twice as many men as women claimed Native American heritage on their applications (54% compared to 24%). Meanwhile, one in four women (24%) claimed to be Latino. Women are also more than twice as likely as men to pretend to be Black (18% compared to 8%).

    According to Intelligent.com Managing Editor Kristen Scatton, the prevalence of applicants who claim Native American ancestry is possibly due to the popular narrative that for many Americans, a small percentage of their DNA comes from a Native American tribe.

    “For college applicants who are trying to give their application a boost by pretending to be a racial minority, they may seize on this notion that many Americans of European descent have some Native American DNA in their bloodline,” Scatton says. “However, research has shown that’s not all that common, particularly among white Americans. But applicants are banking on the fact that no college is going to ask them to provide a DNA sample to verify.”
     

    All data found within this report derives from a survey commissioned by Intelligent.com and conducted online by survey platform Pollfish. In total, 1,250 white Americans were surveyed. To qualify for the survey, each respondent had to have previously applied to a college or university in the U.S. Appropriate respondents were found via a screening question.
     

    Your mileage may vary as to if this is a real representative sample but it'd be fascinating to see the age profile breakdown. Was there a surge for those who applied during the early years of Affirmative Action, a lull afterwards and a surge for Gen Zers applying in the time of the Great Awokening?

    It would also be interesting to see if the peculation of this kind of survey will make other whites start to do the same in a Prisoner's Dilemma situation. According to this one there doesn't seem to be any consequences for it. But surely soon with the proliferation of DNA testing, there be calls to validate such claims. (I've always thought the numbers of Native American students in university demographic breakdowns seemed quite high)

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anon, @Polistra, @Wilkey, @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe, @Pericles

    34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits

    So apparently all my years of encouraging people to lie about their race on iSteve has paid off. I didn’t realize so many teenagers were hanging out here.

    People may admit to lying in a survey, but how would a college or business go about proving you are lying? They can’t require you to take a DNA test, and current Census records are off limits. Most colleges and businesses won’t even try to validate your claim. A great many of them will be all too happy to be able to claim one more minority student, employee, or borrower. For most colleges and businesses, collecting data on race and ethnicity is just about filling out forms to keep the federal government happy. If there is any discrepancy all they have to do is point to the forms and lay the blame on you.

  56. @Muggles
    Cold weather.

    African DNA (recent transplants) doesn't like it. Makes the blood flow sluggishly.

    The NYT will have Ibrim X. Kendi explain that to us soon.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    Naw, we’re going to find modern Canada is run by the descendants of Confederate blockade runners, or something similar.

  57. I suspect the data is not good. Some red flags:

    Total PreK – 12: 256,000; 13 year life span of youthful cohorts is less than 1% of Canada’s population (38 million)?

    More Sri Lankans than Indians?

    Every group is more than Latin American?

    Most likely, this is a subsample of a demographic, not all of Canada. (If that is what these stats are, I didn’t know).

    • Replies: @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin
    @epebble

    From checking the twitter thread, it looks like this is a study in Toronto only, not Canada.

    Toronto's demographics is markedly different from the general canadian population.

    Replies: @epebble

  58. I don’t know, Steve. Looks like more evidence for whiteness-derived miasmas. How can it be anything else?

  59. Did slave catchers cross the border into Upper Canada, or was their sovereignty hono(u)red?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, crossing the border into Canada to capture escaped slaves meant crossing the Niagara River,Lake Erie or Lake Ontario. Easily done if you have a good boat but loading your captives into boats in a "Free County" may have brought you problems.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  60. @Altai
    Somewhat related. Steve's observation of whites not tending to take advantage of the USA's one drop mentality to falsely claim non-white status seems to have fallen apart, at least according to one survey.

    34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits
    https://www.intelligent.com/34-of-white-college-students-lied-about-their-race-to-improve-chances-of-admission-financial-aid-benefits/?adfa


    34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application
    48% of people who lied claimed to be Native American

    3/4 of people who faked being a racial minority on their applications were accepted by the colleges to which they lied

    ...


    Intelligent.com
    asked 1,250 white college applicants ages 16 and older if they lied on their application by indicating they were a racial minority.

     

    I once met a Canadian guy who looked like an Abercrombie and Fitch model (Before they got self-conscious and diversified) who was even named 'Lance' who said he was the last generation who could still claim benefits from the state on the basis of his First Nations heritage. I said I think it should have ended a generation earlier, he laughed and agreed.

    Men were much more likely than women, shocking if true but their survey found 48% of white males admitted to lying about non-white ancestry they didn't really have. Only 16% of the women said they did. The bulk claimed Native American ancestry which seems safest (You can credibly claim it was your Great-Great Grandfather and the low numbers of Native Americans means people with low amounts of ancestry are more significant) and perhaps most attractive.

    They surveyed 1250 people but I'd still like to know what the sampling bias might be.


    Nearly half of all respondents who lied about their minority status (48%) identified themselves as Native American on their applications.

    Thirteen percent claimed to be Latino, 10% claimed to be Black, and 9% claimed to be Asian or Pacific Islander.

    Twice as many men as women claimed Native American heritage on their applications (54% compared to 24%). Meanwhile, one in four women (24%) claimed to be Latino. Women are also more than twice as likely as men to pretend to be Black (18% compared to 8%).

    According to Intelligent.com Managing Editor Kristen Scatton, the prevalence of applicants who claim Native American ancestry is possibly due to the popular narrative that for many Americans, a small percentage of their DNA comes from a Native American tribe.

    “For college applicants who are trying to give their application a boost by pretending to be a racial minority, they may seize on this notion that many Americans of European descent have some Native American DNA in their bloodline,” Scatton says. “However, research has shown that’s not all that common, particularly among white Americans. But applicants are banking on the fact that no college is going to ask them to provide a DNA sample to verify.”
     

    All data found within this report derives from a survey commissioned by Intelligent.com and conducted online by survey platform Pollfish. In total, 1,250 white Americans were surveyed. To qualify for the survey, each respondent had to have previously applied to a college or university in the U.S. Appropriate respondents were found via a screening question.
     

    Your mileage may vary as to if this is a real representative sample but it'd be fascinating to see the age profile breakdown. Was there a surge for those who applied during the early years of Affirmative Action, a lull afterwards and a surge for Gen Zers applying in the time of the Great Awokening?

    It would also be interesting to see if the peculation of this kind of survey will make other whites start to do the same in a Prisoner's Dilemma situation. According to this one there doesn't seem to be any consequences for it. But surely soon with the proliferation of DNA testing, there be calls to validate such claims. (I've always thought the numbers of Native American students in university demographic breakdowns seemed quite high)

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anon, @Polistra, @Wilkey, @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe, @Pericles

    34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits

    One has to wonder about sex, too. Lying about that is now encouraged.

    A young professor at U of St Thomas said there was a quiet bias in favor of men in the admissions departments. (Quiet for obvious reasons.) Student bodies have gotten so female of late that they are less attractive to young women. Both sexes are lost, leading to what he termed a “death spiral”.

    (Alright, guys, get your sophomoric jokes about “sexc and “student bodies” out of the way.)

  61. @Altai
    Somewhat related. Steve's observation of whites not tending to take advantage of the USA's one drop mentality to falsely claim non-white status seems to have fallen apart, at least according to one survey.

    34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits
    https://www.intelligent.com/34-of-white-college-students-lied-about-their-race-to-improve-chances-of-admission-financial-aid-benefits/?adfa


    34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application
    48% of people who lied claimed to be Native American

    3/4 of people who faked being a racial minority on their applications were accepted by the colleges to which they lied

    ...


    Intelligent.com
    asked 1,250 white college applicants ages 16 and older if they lied on their application by indicating they were a racial minority.

     

    I once met a Canadian guy who looked like an Abercrombie and Fitch model (Before they got self-conscious and diversified) who was even named 'Lance' who said he was the last generation who could still claim benefits from the state on the basis of his First Nations heritage. I said I think it should have ended a generation earlier, he laughed and agreed.

    Men were much more likely than women, shocking if true but their survey found 48% of white males admitted to lying about non-white ancestry they didn't really have. Only 16% of the women said they did. The bulk claimed Native American ancestry which seems safest (You can credibly claim it was your Great-Great Grandfather and the low numbers of Native Americans means people with low amounts of ancestry are more significant) and perhaps most attractive.

    They surveyed 1250 people but I'd still like to know what the sampling bias might be.


    Nearly half of all respondents who lied about their minority status (48%) identified themselves as Native American on their applications.

    Thirteen percent claimed to be Latino, 10% claimed to be Black, and 9% claimed to be Asian or Pacific Islander.

    Twice as many men as women claimed Native American heritage on their applications (54% compared to 24%). Meanwhile, one in four women (24%) claimed to be Latino. Women are also more than twice as likely as men to pretend to be Black (18% compared to 8%).

    According to Intelligent.com Managing Editor Kristen Scatton, the prevalence of applicants who claim Native American ancestry is possibly due to the popular narrative that for many Americans, a small percentage of their DNA comes from a Native American tribe.

    “For college applicants who are trying to give their application a boost by pretending to be a racial minority, they may seize on this notion that many Americans of European descent have some Native American DNA in their bloodline,” Scatton says. “However, research has shown that’s not all that common, particularly among white Americans. But applicants are banking on the fact that no college is going to ask them to provide a DNA sample to verify.”
     

    All data found within this report derives from a survey commissioned by Intelligent.com and conducted online by survey platform Pollfish. In total, 1,250 white Americans were surveyed. To qualify for the survey, each respondent had to have previously applied to a college or university in the U.S. Appropriate respondents were found via a screening question.
     

    Your mileage may vary as to if this is a real representative sample but it'd be fascinating to see the age profile breakdown. Was there a surge for those who applied during the early years of Affirmative Action, a lull afterwards and a surge for Gen Zers applying in the time of the Great Awokening?

    It would also be interesting to see if the peculation of this kind of survey will make other whites start to do the same in a Prisoner's Dilemma situation. According to this one there doesn't seem to be any consequences for it. But surely soon with the proliferation of DNA testing, there be calls to validate such claims. (I've always thought the numbers of Native American students in university demographic breakdowns seemed quite high)

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anon, @Polistra, @Wilkey, @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe, @Pericles

    Altai, I think the word fibbed is better than lied, they were only looking to level the playing field.

  62. @Wilkey
    To be fair, the test scores of black Canadians are probably better than those of black Americans. And both are far, far better than the test scores of blacks in Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa, which are somewhere down in the 70s.

    In general, black test scores, life expectancy, and incomes get better the closer blacks get to whites. Life expectancy among blacks who live in Western countries is about 15 years higher than black life expectancy in Africa. Black incomes are 10-20-30 times higher than black incomes in Africa. If I moved to a country and my life expectancy immediately increased by 15 years, my kids' IQ scores increased by 10 points, and my income increased by 2000% I would not be complaining about that country, no matter how much better many of the other people in the country had it.

    The truly awesome fact about the white racist miasma is that it's the only contagion in all of history that gets more powerful and deadly the farther you get from it. It's like saying that the best way to avoid AIDS is to visit a gay bachelor party at Harvey Fierstein's place on Fire Island.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Spangel112, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Return of Shawn, @Anonymous Jew

    Let’s not forget the fact that you can have and impregnate a blonde, blue-eyed woman and have more attractive kids.

  63. 34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits

    Good. I have been telling people to do this for a long time.

    But clearly, these are not the smarter students doing this, since lying about being Native American is easy to debunk, and can get someone sued by a specific tribe.

    Far better is to :
    i) Learn Spanish
    ii) Give oneself a Hispanic middle name in official documentation.
    iii) Pretend to be Hispanic.

    This cannot be debunked if the person’s Spanish is fluent. Learning Spanish takes effort, of course, so fewer whites will do it. But this is by far the most robust way to hack the AA game, since ‘Hispanic’ is not a race, and if a person speaks Spanish fluently, no one in the admissions office will doubt them. Unless they are a very Irish-looking redhead or a completely Scandinavian-looking platinum blonde, there won’t even be any suspicion.

    This is the most robust hack for a white kid in this sordid era of AA.

  64. Them hosers need to rip down all those statues of Dudley Do-right.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.2622149797.8549/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg

  65. Canada is an interesting petri dish for blacks in a community. Canada, as a country, never had slavery, Jim Crow Laws and was the terminus of the Underground Railroad. And yet, black crime in Canada is the “problem no one wants to mention.” Years ago black Canadians pushed for Afro-centric schools, some communities caved and gave them their own schools. How did that work out? Blacks from the Caribbean Islands migrated to Canada and brought their gang and drug culture with them. Their main contribution to Canada seems to be disfunction. My opinion.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon, Colin Wright
  66. @Reg Cæsar
    Did slave catchers cross the border into Upper Canada, or was their sovereignty hono(u)red?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Reg, crossing the border into Canada to capture escaped slaves meant crossing the Niagara River,Lake Erie or Lake Ontario. Easily done if you have a good boat but loading your captives into boats in a “Free County” may have brought you problems.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    crossing the border into Canada to capture escaped slaves meant crossing the Niagara River,Lake Erie or Lake Ontario.
     
    The Detroit River, too, and Lake St Clair and the St Lawrence with its Thousand Islands. Many slaves went to Nova Scotia as well.

    Remember that the British ran Canada very differently from how the Canadians themselves later did. There were no Mounties then. The Brits were paradoxically abolitionist and partial to the South.

    J J McCullough's most recent video explains how Canadians' passive nature was a direct and deliberate result of British colonial policy; link to the point he brings this up:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5wKWbbMoLqg&t=3m42s

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

  67. OFF TOPIC:
    The Boise mall shooting gets more iStevey … hero/ine mall security person who was killed … gets “dead named” …

    “My brother has died,” Lannigan wrote. “He was trying to stop an active shooter. The police said he saved people.” Both paid tribute to Acker’s life. “Joe has always been a hero, he was the type of person that always wanted to help people,” Luna wrote. “Because of his heroics many lives were saved. He will be remembered as a hero. He was loved by all who knew him and will be greatly missed.” “I can’t even put into words how completely devastated and shattered I am,” Lannigan wrote. “Jo you were always kind and loving. You always had such an enormous heart of gold. I always felt like your keeper. I always wanted to protect you and you always wanted to protect others. You were and are and always will be a hero. I love you to the ends of this earth and beyond. I will miss you until we meet again!” Acker identified as a transgender woman on Facebook. Some family members are identifying the victim as Joe or Joseph. Acker’s social media profile asks that people “(please) call me Jo.”

    Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article255298106.html

  68. @Almost Missouri
    @ic1000


    The highest score is:

    115.9 North East Asian – Canada
     
    This is more remarkable because most North East Asians (other than Hong Kongers) do not speak English natively, so their Reading scores are somewhat crippled compared to native English-speaking groups. (This also raises the question of how the White Canadian group Reading score handles Quebecois.)

    The West African Reading score has a bump up compared to the rest of Africa: presumably the legacy of Igbo supremacy.

    Latin Americans (presumably heavily aboriginal to Latin America) embarrassingly under-score Canadian Aboriginals. I would've said language unfamiliarity, but the Math gap is similar. High-Latitude supremacism, or maybe those aboriginal boarding schools weren't so bad for Canadian Aboriginals after all?

    Canadian immigration policy is supposedly highly rationalist, but what is the rationale for importing people less capable than the people already there? At least the Old South openly admitted they only wanted them for strong-backed tropical climate field labor in the 19th century, but what's techno-futurist Canada's excuse?

    P.S. What is "South" Canada? Sounds like a Canadian-supremacist euphemism for USA.

    Replies: @Spangel112, @anon

    Current Canadian immigration policy is not highly rationalist at all.
    The majority of immigrants are family reunification (useless relatives of earlier immigrants) and refugees

    The really smart ones don’t stay long before migrating to the States

    • Replies: @epebble
    @anon

    Canada is much more selective than U.S. They have a points system. A greater share of their immigrants are Economic (skills based) than family reunification. In U.S. more than two thirds are family reunification.

    For 2019,

    Economic immigrants = 196,658

    Family class = 91,311

    Humanitarian = 4,681

    Refugees 30,087

    Asylum: 18,443

    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada#Immigration_categories

    Replies: @anon

  69. @Wilkey
    To be fair, the test scores of black Canadians are probably better than those of black Americans. And both are far, far better than the test scores of blacks in Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa, which are somewhere down in the 70s.

    In general, black test scores, life expectancy, and incomes get better the closer blacks get to whites. Life expectancy among blacks who live in Western countries is about 15 years higher than black life expectancy in Africa. Black incomes are 10-20-30 times higher than black incomes in Africa. If I moved to a country and my life expectancy immediately increased by 15 years, my kids' IQ scores increased by 10 points, and my income increased by 2000% I would not be complaining about that country, no matter how much better many of the other people in the country had it.

    The truly awesome fact about the white racist miasma is that it's the only contagion in all of history that gets more powerful and deadly the farther you get from it. It's like saying that the best way to avoid AIDS is to visit a gay bachelor party at Harvey Fierstein's place on Fire Island.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Spangel112, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Return of Shawn, @Anonymous Jew

    Reminds me of the Russian(?) parable: a farmer is offered a wish, but his neighbor must get it twice. The farmer asks to have one eye removed.

    Rationally, Black resentment is completely unjustified, but I also sort of get it. Imagine if you were whisked away to some majority Elf kingdom where the average Elf IQ was 120 and you only qualified for menial jobs. Worse still, all the Elves were – by average White standards – annoyingly hyper-conscientious, diligent, mild mannered etc. Regardless of the health benefits, wealth, etc, you probably wouldn’t want to be ruled by these Elves or constantly reminded that they are smarter and less criminal than your fellow Whites.

    Anyways, the numbers provide more great argument material, not that we need it. And not that it matters, since the Left doesn’t care about arguments.

    So it goes something like this:
    Purple hair lady “Blacks underperform because of systemic racism”
    Crime thinker “But many other groups experienced racism and they do fine”
    Purple hair lady “Unlike NE and S Asians, Blacks weren’t immigrants – they were slaves and suffered from historical…”
    Crime thinker “But Black immigrants in Canada, Australia and Europe underperform by roughly the same degree as American Blacks”
    Purple hair lady “You’re racist!”

    Someone above brought up cheating to explain the Asian test scores. You can’t rule that out, but we also know that NE Asians adopted by Whites still, ever so slightly, outperform Whites. And presumably these Asian adoptees aren’t coming from the top of the Asian IQ curve. Considering that many of the Asians in Canada DO come from the top of their respective IQ curve, the test scores don’t surprise me and don’t necessarily indicate cheating.

    • Replies: @Tony massey
    @Anonymous Jew

    The way i heard it was a White man got 3 wishes but his neighbor the kneegro got twice as much.
    So he wished for a big house.
    The kneegro got one twice the size.
    Then he wished for a million dollars.
    The kneegro got 2 million.
    Then he wished to be beaten half to death with a baseball bat.

  70. @Buffalo Joe
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, crossing the border into Canada to capture escaped slaves meant crossing the Niagara River,Lake Erie or Lake Ontario. Easily done if you have a good boat but loading your captives into boats in a "Free County" may have brought you problems.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    crossing the border into Canada to capture escaped slaves meant crossing the Niagara River,Lake Erie or Lake Ontario.

    The Detroit River, too, and Lake St Clair and the St Lawrence with its Thousand Islands. Many slaves went to Nova Scotia as well.

    Remember that the British ran Canada very differently from how the Canadians themselves later did. There were no Mounties then. The Brits were paradoxically abolitionist and partial to the South.

    J J McCullough’s most recent video explains how Canadians’ passive nature was a direct and deliberate result of British colonial policy; link to the point he brings this up:

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sorry Reg, this guy is full of shit on most of his commentary. There is no context. In no particular order:
    - Most of what is now Southern Ontario was populated by the "loyalists" who voluntarily left the US.
    - The British were still struggling to keep Quebec, which had only been conquered 20 years previously, under control. This included parts of what is now New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.
    - Most of what now Canada was privately owned by the Hudson's Bay Company Rupertsland) and would continue that way until 1869. The HBC was all about fur trading - a natural resource, and was, with few exceptions, opposed to anyone other than their employees and the Indians living on HBC Territory. https://i2.wp.com/pvhs.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/1869-Ruperts-Land-was-not-considered-Canada.-It-was-privately-owned-by-Hudsons-Bay-Company-until-1870.-Transfer-was-muddled.jpg?w=1280&ssl=1
    - The population density, even in the more populous Quebec was nowhere near what it was in the US. Industrialization requires a critical population mass that, other than in Quebec, didn't exist until the 1830s, when industrialization began in earnest. Even today more than 80% of the population is within 1oo miles of the US border, because most of the land is non arable and huge parts are uninhabitable. Those areas rely on mining or logging for industry, and tend to be remote. There was no easy way, to move those "products" to market economically.
    - Yes, immigration was restricted, but why wouldn't it be? The pre revolution US had, in theory, immigration restricted by Britain. There were no open borders in Britain in those days.
    - As for "anti-American", that's just silly. Even upon becoming a country, only the Anglo "liberals" were interested in trade of any size with the US, even in Quebec, whose French population, while having little use for the Anglos, saw the US as a bigger threat to them maintaining their culture. Perhaps that was due to the Fenian raids trying to take over. The border was fairly porous post 1814, with people migrating in both directions. I have relatives that migrated to the US in the 1880s.
    - Part of the colonial policy was signing peace treaties with the Indians instead of clearing them with the land as was done in the US. Is that too passive for McCollough?
    - Unlike the US, that became a dumping ground via forced removal of large portions of the unwanted British (including Ireland) populations, most of those coming to Canada chose to do so through land grants. It's a different mindset when it's your choice.
    That's not to say that the political situation didn't have flaws, but as with everything context is necessary.

    , @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Reg Cæsar

    I wonder why this narrator adopts a fake Canadian accent. He pronounces the syllable "-out" in a poor imitation of a real Canadian accent, and even uses it in words -- like "down" and "amount" --where the "ou" sound is not followed by a stop.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin
    @Reg Cæsar

    The guy manages not to mention that in the late 18th, early 19th century, the majority of the population of what is now Canada were 'Canadiens', as they were then called, which eventually became French Canadians.

    Replies: @Corn, @Reg Cæsar

  71. @Spangel112
    @Wilkey

    we know what the narrative is. Further away from America means blacks were devastated by European colonialism. Without that africa would be wakanda.

    No one ever asks for an explanation as to why Asian people, who were colonized by the same European powers that colonized Africa, are doing so well if colonialism is to blame.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @martin_2

    No one ever asks for an explanation as to why Asian people, who were colonized by the same European powers that colonized Africa, are doing so well if colonialism is to blame.</blockquote

    One of the older arguments we used to hear is that former African colonies have failed because the European colonial powers threw rival ethnic groups together into the same country, which lead to political instability.

    But this argument ever so slightly undermines all the demands for Diversity!, so we seldom hear it anymore, if at all.

    Yesterday: We are at war with Diversity.
    Today: We are at peace with Diversity. We have always been at peace with Diversity.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Wilkey

    This issue has caused more violence in Europe than in Africa (e.g. Sudeten Germans).

    , @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin
    @Wilkey

    True.

    The same people who on one topic go "of course african countries cannot get off the ground! Greedy evil European white men carved up Africa by drawing random lines on a map putting together random people" will turn around and argue "of course harmony will reign as we turn formerly homogeneous white developed countries into multiracial multicultural ones through immigration!"

  72. It’s curious why Canadian-born NE Asians score so much higher than non-Canadian born Asians. It’s the largest gap of all races too. Canada has had Asian immigration for longer than the US. Canada’s China Immigration Act was repealed in 1947 apparently, America’s was 1965. I don’t think there’s been a large change in composition of NE Asian immigrants over the generations.

    Could it just be greater fluency with the language/culture? Similar to how Asian Verbal SAT scores have been improving over the years as the foreign born percentage decreases?

    My more devious conjecture is that perhaps interracial marriage dynamics are playing a part. My impression is that NE Asians are undergoing a boiling off effect. The more successful NE Asian males, stereotypical pride of their family, doctors, engineers, finance, etc. have no trouble finding a wife and generally prefer a NE Asian wife. The dating market is harshest to NE Asian males, who have the greatest trouble dating out of their race, so the less bright ones who can’t become doctors face a very small pool of mates and don’t reproduce. So each successive generation that continues to be 100% NE Asian is reproduced from the brighter ones.

    On the opposite end of the spectrum, Canadian-born Blacks score lower than all Immigrant Blacks. Black men tend to do fine in reproducing and, as Steve has pointed out, many smart Black women unfortunately tend to be unmarried with zero children. Canadian-born Whites are about even with Immigrant Whites. All of which perhaps buttresses my conjecture.

    It’s curious how there’s no category for mixed race. There are a fair number of hapas in Canada. That would have been interesting.

  73. @Dan
    Do Canadian colleges and universities use standardized test scores anymore to admit students?

    Replies: @BRK2

    They never did surprisingly. There’s no SAT. Its just grades. Since all the universities are public, they’re all seen as being pretty high quality and roughly equivalent, so you don’t have much gaming of the system for prestige. You can’t even find an up to date ranking of Canadian universities other than anecdotes.

  74. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    crossing the border into Canada to capture escaped slaves meant crossing the Niagara River,Lake Erie or Lake Ontario.
     
    The Detroit River, too, and Lake St Clair and the St Lawrence with its Thousand Islands. Many slaves went to Nova Scotia as well.

    Remember that the British ran Canada very differently from how the Canadians themselves later did. There were no Mounties then. The Brits were paradoxically abolitionist and partial to the South.

    J J McCullough's most recent video explains how Canadians' passive nature was a direct and deliberate result of British colonial policy; link to the point he brings this up:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5wKWbbMoLqg&t=3m42s

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    Sorry Reg, this guy is full of shit on most of his commentary. There is no context. In no particular order:
    – Most of what is now Southern Ontario was populated by the “loyalists” who voluntarily left the US.
    – The British were still struggling to keep Quebec, which had only been conquered 20 years previously, under control. This included parts of what is now New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.
    – Most of what now Canada was privately owned by the Hudson’s Bay Company Rupertsland) and would continue that way until 1869. The HBC was all about fur trading – a natural resource, and was, with few exceptions, opposed to anyone other than their employees and the Indians living on HBC Territory.– The population density, even in the more populous Quebec was nowhere near what it was in the US. Industrialization requires a critical population mass that, other than in Quebec, didn’t exist until the 1830s, when industrialization began in earnest. Even today more than 80% of the population is within 1oo miles of the US border, because most of the land is non arable and huge parts are uninhabitable. Those areas rely on mining or logging for industry, and tend to be remote. There was no easy way, to move those “products” to market economically.
    – Yes, immigration was restricted, but why wouldn’t it be? The pre revolution US had, in theory, immigration restricted by Britain. There were no open borders in Britain in those days.
    – As for “anti-American”, that’s just silly. Even upon becoming a country, only the Anglo “liberals” were interested in trade of any size with the US, even in Quebec, whose French population, while having little use for the Anglos, saw the US as a bigger threat to them maintaining their culture. Perhaps that was due to the Fenian raids trying to take over. The border was fairly porous post 1814, with people migrating in both directions. I have relatives that migrated to the US in the 1880s.
    – Part of the colonial policy was signing peace treaties with the Indians instead of clearing them with the land as was done in the US. Is that too passive for McCollough?
    – Unlike the US, that became a dumping ground via forced removal of large portions of the unwanted British (including Ireland) populations, most of those coming to Canada chose to do so through land grants. It’s a different mindset when it’s your choice.
    That’s not to say that the political situation didn’t have flaws, but as with everything context is necessary.

  75. @greysquirrell
    Why is the South East Asian composite score lower than the South Asian composite? Was not expecting this.

    Replies: @BRK2

    I would say the average SE Asian has a higher IQ than an average South Asian, but South Asians have more selective immigration than SE Asians. Middle-class Filipinos, Cambodians, etc. immigrate. Most South Asian immigrants from India and Pakistan are elite Brahmins.

  76. @Gordo
    Remember when Canucks used to look like this?

    https://i.pinimg.com/474x/fa/c2/d1/fac2d10ffc3f2aa722ff288ee94877e5.jpg

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Bragadocious

    Gordo, I actually remember seeing ‘Mounties’ like this in my youthful forays into Northern Ontario and there was a TV series “Sargent Preston of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.” I thought the sidearm with the lanyard was cool.

    • Replies: @Right_On
    @Buffalo Joe

    I thought the sidearm with the lanyard was cool.

    Lanyards are simple but effective bits of kit, no? If, in the heat of a conflict, you drop your gun you won't lose it; and the baddie can't snatch it away from you.

    Might have been more of a British thing. A lanyard is a common sight in old movies featuring British colonial policemen or army officers.

    You never see lanyards worn in modern cop dramas or war movies, so there's obviously a disadvantage to using one that I'm too stupid to see.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    , @San Fernando Curt
    @Buffalo Joe

    And his dog YUKON KING!!!

    , @CCZ
    @Buffalo Joe


    "I thought the sidearm with the lanyard was cool."
     
    And so was his dog Yukon King!!!!

    Earlier this year, Sargent Preston was still presenting an inspiring portrait of the RCMP, in re-runs aired at 4:00 AM on one of the "nostalgia television" channels (satisfyingly not very "diverse") visible in my area.
  77. @SafeNow
    Jared Taylor, in a recent podcast, said: There are 13,800 school districts in the US, and in every single one of them, the average order of group achievement is Asian, white, Hispanic, Black. I thought this was telling; that there was not a single school district that had invented a successful method of tutoring or whatever that changed the order. I wonder if the Magical Method likewise remains elusive in Canada.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @martin_2, @Anonymous, @Carroll price

    Sailer/Chetty found a few where it appears tied for some upper middle class blacks in majority white school districts.

  78. @Marquis
    @Steve Sailer

    The Filipinos have a sophisticated international school system at the upper echelons similar to what you might find in Taiwan or Korea. They also have the traditional American merocratic practice of reaching down and taking talented kids from the slums or rural areas and raising them up into this international school system. (Maybe a vestige of catholocism?) I remember one such instructor telling me of his prized pupil who walked several miles to the bus depot then rode the bus an hr every day to get to said school. He was on a full ride but there was no dormitory or anything.

    If the population is small enough that could account for some of it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Joe Paluka

    The Filipinos have a sophisticated international school system at the upper echelons similar to what you might find in Taiwan or Korea.

    Until a decade or so ago, male high school seniors were required to enroll in JROTC. Imagine that here!

    If the population is small enough that could account for some of it.

    110 million is not small. Nor is their immigrant population in the US.

  79. @Gordo
    Remember when Canucks used to look like this?

    https://i.pinimg.com/474x/fa/c2/d1/fac2d10ffc3f2aa722ff288ee94877e5.jpg

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Bragadocious

    Speaking of the RCMP, this is an alleged interview with one of Castreau’s sniper detail who are threatening to quit over forced jabs:

    https://www.eastonspectator.com/2021/10/25/exclusive-trudeaus-sniper-detail-blasts-pm-over-mandate/

  80. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    Filipinos score pretty well on California school tests.

    Replies: @Marquis, @stillCARealist, @ginger bread man, @Anonymous Jew, @Hapalong Cassidy

    I can’t recall the source, but I believe earlier waves of Filipinos (<1980-ish) had more pedestrian test scores. However, more recent Filipino immigration has been more selective, much like South Asian immigration.

    The valedictorian of my HS was Filipino, and I worked with a lot of the higher achieving Filipinos when I lived in San Francisco. My impression is that high achieving Filipinos are not significantly mixed – either Chinese or Spanish (unlike Hispanics were the high achievers almost always look White). Instead, they merely represent a more selective immigration policy. (One of the Filipino managers at an investment firm where I worked looked 100% Jungle Asian, ie very dark). Also, Filipinos seem to assimilate fairly quickly. Not sure if it’s the Catholicism or shared history/cultural influence of the US.

    Personally, I think we need at least a 30-year moratorium on all immigration. That said, imagine if the only immigrants we got from Latin America, the Philippines etc were those that score in the top 10% of their academic tests? LA would certainly look a lot different.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous Jew

    I just spent the day at a rehab facility for the ancient... there was a fall and a fractured hip in the family... and nearly all the people working there were Filipino, male and female. Bigoted me, I see dark skin and think "Mexican". No, they were all wearing masks so I couldn't see the obviously Asian-like features very well. Their language was utterly foreign (I do recognize Spanish) so I assume it was Tagalog.

    Just a guess that these people (90% female) weren't the Asian grind stereotypes. Would you go to extra test prep classes just to wind up helping 90 year olds go potty? But I'm really glad they're capable and willing to do these jobs. This was one of the most expensive towns in CA and somehow all these people are there to do the necessary, low-status work of the circle of life.

    I want less immigration too, but I sure hope that we'd be able to find people like those Filipinos without it. I'm not so sure...

    Replies: @Twinkie

  81. @Wilkey
    @Spangel112


    No one ever asks for an explanation as to why Asian people, who were colonized by the same European powers that colonized Africa, are doing so well if colonialism is to blame.</blockquote

    One of the older arguments we used to hear is that former African colonies have failed because the European colonial powers threw rival ethnic groups together into the same country, which lead to political instability.

    But this argument ever so slightly undermines all the demands for Diversity!, so we seldom hear it anymore, if at all.

    Yesterday: We are at war with Diversity.
    Today: We are at peace with Diversity. We have always been at peace with Diversity.
     

     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    This issue has caused more violence in Europe than in Africa (e.g. Sudeten Germans).

  82. @wjdjfbrie
    Totally Off Topic.

    I'm not going to watch Wes Anderson's new movie.

    I only watched 2 or 3 and I blame you Steve for having given it a go in the first place.

    His movies are quite well done. The first I watched was that old hotel movie. Very beautiful. As beautiful as that Indian movie and the Tennenbaums. It really impressed me but maybe only because it was the firsy of his movies I'd seen(?) but I enjoyed it.

    But by the time I saw 3 movies I got the picture.

    He is ben and jerrys to the Coen Brothers haagen daze.

    He does what they but:

    More colorfully --- which is why you SHOULD watch at least ONE of his movies because it's a cool experience.

    But he is less careful.

    Less intelligent.

    The emotional effects of his movies disappat faster.

    And crucially -- the primar emotion he enjoys influcting is an autistic version of sadness.

    The Coens not only have r a n g e they have depth. And a RICH depth.

    Wes Anderson's art is a brightly colored splish splash painting that spells out some tragically fatalistic misperception in calligraphic wonder.

    So yeah, check out one of his films but when it's over you'll find yourself feeling that uneasy sense of emptiness like the aftertaste of diet soda.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    wj, Anderson has a range of movies and I think they are all well done. His animated “Fantastic Mr. Fox” is a fun viewing. A movie that is not deep doesn’t mean it can’t be entertaining. Good comment by the way.

  83. @Henry's Cat
    OTish:

    Wicketkeeper Quinton de Kock made himself unavailable for South Africa's T20 World Cup match against West Indies after refusing to take the knee.

    Cricket South Africa (CSA) issued a directive before the match that all players should make the gesture.

    Captain Temba Bavuma said at the toss in Dubai that De Kock, 28, withdrew "for personal reasons".

    CSA said later on Tuesday that they "noted the personal decision" of De Kock to not take the knee.

    In a statement released during the game, CSA said it would "await a further report from team management before deciding on next steps".
     
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59051327

    Replies: @jay ritchie

    The sad thing for QDC is that he will be a controversial figure in a lot of countries. Bet he now wishes that he had emigrated somewhere with a path to citizenship a few years ago and cashed out in the leagues. Plenty of fine southern African players have done just that.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @jay ritchie

    His best tack is to cast his opposition in religious terms - say he only kneels to God.

  84. @SafeNow
    Jared Taylor, in a recent podcast, said: There are 13,800 school districts in the US, and in every single one of them, the average order of group achievement is Asian, white, Hispanic, Black. I thought this was telling; that there was not a single school district that had invented a successful method of tutoring or whatever that changed the order. I wonder if the Magical Method likewise remains elusive in Canada.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @martin_2, @Anonymous, @Carroll price

    The probability of every school district having precisely that order, if the orders – all 24 of them – are random, is roughly one in 10^19,050.

  85. @Spangel112
    @Wilkey

    we know what the narrative is. Further away from America means blacks were devastated by European colonialism. Without that africa would be wakanda.

    No one ever asks for an explanation as to why Asian people, who were colonized by the same European powers that colonized Africa, are doing so well if colonialism is to blame.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @martin_2

    Nor does anyone ask why the populations of the countries that were colonised rose dramatically after the Europeans arrived in the nineteenth century. Nor do they ask why the countries that were colonised are now generally better off than those that weren’t.

  86. @anon
    @Almost Missouri

    Current Canadian immigration policy is not highly rationalist at all.
    The majority of immigrants are family reunification (useless relatives of earlier immigrants) and refugees

    The really smart ones don't stay long before migrating to the States

    Replies: @epebble

    Canada is much more selective than U.S. They have a points system. A greater share of their immigrants are Economic (skills based) than family reunification. In U.S. more than two thirds are family reunification.

    For 2019,

    Economic immigrants = 196,658

    Family class = 91,311

    Humanitarian = 4,681

    Refugees 30,087

    Asylum: 18,443

    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada#Immigration_categories

    • Replies: @anon
    @epebble

    I don't have time right now to pore through the numbers. but I've always heard that Canada takes in more family reunification immigrants than any other category

    I also have to wonder how economic immigrants are defined. Are they wealthy relatives of previous immigrants?

    We certainly don't get any educated, industrious Elon Musks creating Silicon Valley North. Actually, Musk could have had Canadian citizenship through his mother and he went to the States

    However , we do get a lot of wealthy Third World criminals or quasi-criminals that have thrown Vancouver and Toronto's real estate out of whack . Vancouver is more expensive than all cities in North America other than San Francisco and San Jose with the economy the size of Portland


    We also get a lot of refugees who contribute nothing to the economy but commit a lot of crime and use a lot of social resources

    Replies: @epebble

  87. Anonymous[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @SafeNow
    Jared Taylor, in a recent podcast, said: There are 13,800 school districts in the US, and in every single one of them, the average order of group achievement is Asian, white, Hispanic, Black. I thought this was telling; that there was not a single school district that had invented a successful method of tutoring or whatever that changed the order. I wonder if the Magical Method likewise remains elusive in Canada.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @martin_2, @Anonymous, @Carroll price

    Don’t believe those numbers.

    At least for black students. My father is a retired administrator from a major public school system. At the end of career— over 30 years ago— he told me that schools were under a lot of pressure to raise minority (black) test scores. This was in the 1980’s! He told me that the way this did this was to simply fudge the numbers.

  88. @ic1000
    It's helpful that they set the mean to 100 and the std. dev. to 15. (On twitter, @HumanVarieties explains the difference between 'mean' and 'composite': "The average is just the average of reading, math, and OSSLT IQ-metricized scores. The composite then applies the following formula [here] to make a summary score comparable to FSIQ, which also is a composite. but similar.")

    Lowest composites:

    94.0 Middle Eastern - Afghanistan
    93.8 Latin American - South America
    91.7 Aboriginal - [Canada]
    91.6 Latin American - all
    91.5 Black/African - all
    90.8 Latin American - Central America
    89.0 Black/African - Canada
    88.7 Black/African - Caribbean

    After two other subcategories of Black/African, the next-lowest score is a jump to 97.5, Filipino.

    The highest score is:

    115.9 North East Asian - Canada

    After other NE Asian subcategories, it's some White and some South East Asian categories.

    Thanks for compiling the numbers, @HumanVarieties. Looks pretty familiar.

    Replies: @Spangel112, @Almost Missouri, @Black Athena

    It’s funny how your color prejudice is exposed by how brazenly you ignore the scores of South Asian, West African and East African Canadians. Obviously because their scores contradict your racial fantasies. Try explain these Canadian composite scores using your HBD Bible:

    Bangladeshi———–105.59
    Sri Lankan————-105.57
    European (South)—–101.73
    East African————95.20
    West African———–94.08
    Afghanistani———- 93.96
    South American——-93.80
    Asiatic Aboriginals– 91.66
    Central American—–90.75

    • Replies: @smetana
    @Black Athena


    Try explain these Canadian composite scores using your HBD Bible
     
    Can do it in 3 words: Merit-based immigration.

    3 more words: Foreign grad students.

    3 more: Bangladeshi brain drain.

    Replies: @Black Athena

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Black Athena


    Afghanistani———- 93.96


    "Afghani" is bad enough, but "Afghanistani" takes the gosh-e fil.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/10/23/05/39A036AD00000578-3863664-image-a-29_1477196053537.jpg

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Bill Jones

  89. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Wilkey

    Thinking of what you, Arclight and others have said numerous times here: Oh, if only White people could just go on strike. Imagine it like John Galt and his friends in Atlas Shrugged. Just have all us terrible White people stop working and disappear. Then let's see how the rest of the world gets along...

    Replies: @Travis

    It appears White people are on Strike.


    Whites have stopped having children. So Blacks will find out soon how to survive without having whites cater to them.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Travis

    The human world of the future is going to be a shit hole. That we know. Unfortunately, it seems that human nature is such that those sitting on top of the pile of shit don't ever seem to give a damn about the fact that they are sitting on top of a pile of shit.

    Those of us alive now, especially we with a few decades behind us, can see now that we were lucky enough to have lived at the very hight of human existence. It's all downhill from here, folks.


    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CheerfulVapidBunting-size_restricted.gif

    Replies: @Prester John

  90. @Jack777
    The Canadian-born black average seems truly awful. I thought Canada was supposed to practice selective immigration. These figures are, however, not easy to interpret in isolation. For the non-white immigrant groups, there's "born in Canada" data only for NE Asians and blacks, and while NE Asians seem to do better when born in Canada, blacks do a bit worse.

    The difference between the 1st and 2nd immigrant generations is a function of at least three factors: acculturation (mainly, learning the language), regression to the (genotypic) mean, and differences in the composition of different immigrant waves (e.g. earlier black immigrants may have been more disproportionately Caribbean than later immigrants). It's not easy to parse these factors.

    Replies: @MM, @Some Guy, @beavertales, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @Joe Paluka

    Google says 3.5% of Canadians are black. Serious question: where do these black Canadians come from?

    It’s obviously a combination, but how are many are descended from the Revolutionary War period when Loyalist and some of their black allies bailed on the U.S.? Or the “underground railroad” era? Or did they migrate from the South to Detroit and just keep going north in the Great Migration? Or are they mostly recent Afro-Caribbean imports?

    Like most Americans, I don’t know all that much about Canada. Canadian blacks, even less so.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Hypnotoad666

    Google says 3.5% of Canadians are black. Serious question: where do these black Canadians come from?

    Or are they mostly recent Afro-Caribbean imports?


    Hopefully a Canadian can enlighten us. It’s my understanding that blacks were a negligible percentage of the population (1-2% or less) until the 1960s. Then as the “white Dominions” dropped explicitly pro-white, pro-British immigration policies, Australia and NZ started taking in more Asians, and Canada started taking in more Asians and blacks from the Caribbean and Africa.

  91. @Buffalo Joe
    @Gordo

    Gordo, I actually remember seeing 'Mounties' like this in my youthful forays into Northern Ontario and there was a TV series "Sargent Preston of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police." I thought the sidearm with the lanyard was cool.

    Replies: @Right_On, @San Fernando Curt, @CCZ

    I thought the sidearm with the lanyard was cool.

    Lanyards are simple but effective bits of kit, no? If, in the heat of a conflict, you drop your gun you won’t lose it; and the baddie can’t snatch it away from you.

    Might have been more of a British thing. A lanyard is a common sight in old movies featuring British colonial policemen or army officers.

    You never see lanyards worn in modern cop dramas or war movies, so there’s obviously a disadvantage to using one that I’m too stupid to see.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Right_On


    You never see lanyards worn in modern cop dramas or war movies, so there’s obviously a disadvantage to using one that I’m too stupid to see.
     
    They are still being manufactured and sold, so they do they have useful utility.

    Check out the reviews of the BLACKHAWK lanyard on Amazon.

    https://www.amazon.com/BLACKHAWK-Style-Tactical-Pistol-Lanyard/product-reviews/B0013XXKO6/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_btm?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews
  92. @ginger bread man
    @Steve Sailer

    Something very important to understand that I’ve never heard Steve talk about is that Filipinos are a heterogeneous Group with a lot of admixture. Many Filipinos who migrate to the US have Chinese ancestry. It’s estimated that up to 25% of the Filipino population have Chinese ancestry. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Filipino

    A much much smaller percentage contain Spanish ancestry. I couldn’t find any stats, but my guess is that between 1-5% of Filipinos contain Spanish or Western ancestry. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Filipino

    So, my guess is much of the high test scores and achievement of the Filipinos can be traced to demographics.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    The Philippines is a multiethnic place, with Tagalog being a constructed lingua France much like Bahasa Indonesia does I’m Indonesia. But racially speaking, they are basically Malay. Bahasa native speakers in Malaysia and Indonesia can pick out cognates in Tagalog and vice versa. And once you get past the gaping religious difference (Catholicism vs Islam, although it should be noted that both the PI and Indonesia have religious minorities) and the Westernization of the Filipinos, the culture underneath is really quite similar, both the good and the bad.

    Re, the Chinese, although I’m skeptical it’s that high, since the Philippines isn’t Muslim, intermarriage and assimilation was a lot easier. Thailand and Vietnam, too, had bourgeois Chinese communities that blended in over time, though the war and the Communist aftermath decimated the latter.

    • Replies: @ginger bread man
    @nebulafox

    You’re right, the Philippines is a multi ethnic society. However you are incorrect that there is no Muslim presence in the Philippines.

    The Philippines is divided between three main regions Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao. Mindanao is a majority Muslim region and comprises ~20% of the total Filipino population.

    One of the first extremist Muslim terrorist groups in the world was MILF or the Mindanao Islamic Liberation Front.

    But, in the big cities, there are Chinese population centers and around 2% of Filipino Citizens are completely Chinese with no local admixture. A greater number of around ~20% are Chinese mixed with Malay.

    The Chinese Filipinos are mostly Christian with a few Buddhist customs (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Filipino). They integrated very well and around 90% of the Filipino economy is in Chinese-Filipino hands.

  93. @Colin Wright
    One thought leads to another...

    Japanese, with an average IQ of 109 by at least one test, are arguably the most intelligent ethnic group on the planet.

    On the other hand, my understanding is that the Japanese on Hawaii were brought there as farm labor -- almost certainly, therefore, not drawn from the most exalted strata of Japanese society.

    These Japanese remain fairly ethnically distinct -- one of Hawaii's two senators is always Japanese.

    It'd be interesting to know what their average IQ is. It'd give some idea of the impact of class origin and culture on IQ scores. Are peasants inherently less intelligent than merchants, in other words.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Hypnotoad666

    Singapore and Malaysia’s Chinese were hardly drawn from the intelligentsia, either. If you got the genetic substrate for intellectual gifts in the individual and the culture to hone them, all you need is will and time.

    It was not automatic, though. Nobody would have guessed that independent
    Singapore would have become a success. In the 1800s, many carried over grudges from the Old Country that devolves into violence, and Singapore had an organized crime problem until after independence. I think that’s not unrelated to the blue collar nature of the exodus.

    Personally, I think focusing on functionality before popping out geniuses is wise.

  94. Anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:

    So Northeast Asian students with parents born in Canada have a 116 composite score and … White kids whose parents were born in Canada have a 106 composite.

    Was it wise to import a large class of aliens with far higher IQs than your own?

    What is the future for Canadian Whites—especially their men, who need high pay, high status jobs to attract a mate?

    They all seem destined to either become an underclass or be bred out as the females pair up with higher status, more powerful aliens.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
    @Anonymous


    Was it wise to import a large class of aliens with far higher IQs than your own?

    What is the future for Canadian Whites—especially their men, who need high pay, high status jobs to attract a mate?

    They all seem destined to either become an underclass or be bred out as the females pair up with higher status, more powerful aliens.
     

    Do most Northeastern Asian males strike you as fecund and, as a group, prone to marrying white females?

    Whatever affliction causes white European males to not breed seems to hit Northeast Asian males with at least equal vigor.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    , @beavertales
    @Anonymous

    "Was it wise to import a large class of aliens with far higher IQs than your own?"

    Idi Amin kicked out the higher IQ East Indians leftover from colonialism. It at least kept Uganda African.

    Quebec was a destination for British engineers until the native French began replacing them in the 1960's. This was considered a great triumph for the descendants of colonial French settlers, to be "masters of their own house".

    Now the rush is on to import an Asian, African, and Middle Eastern professional class to Quebec. While they fret about language, the European color and culture of the professional class is being decimated, and the average Quebecois is once again being displaced from being the 'master of his own house'.

  95. @Gordo
    Remember when Canucks used to look like this?

    https://i.pinimg.com/474x/fa/c2/d1/fac2d10ffc3f2aa722ff288ee94877e5.jpg

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Bragadocious

    Gabe Wortman looked like that.

    Yeah, Canadian whites have never impressed me.

  96. “I took an inorganic chemistry exam the same day that a grand jury failed to charge two police officers with the murder of Breonna Taylor. That day, my body inhaled molecules of white supremacy as they seeped out of my computer from that proctored Zoom room,” Golding said. “They entered my bloodstream and catalyzed a metabolism that would allow for the invasion of my body by a violently infectious life form.”

    Oh I’d sure like to know this black former Harvard pre-med students SAT score. I guess those White supremacy molecules didn’t allow her to study for the exam??? https://news.yahoo.com/harvard-premedical-student-leaves-school-191800898.html

  97. @Buffalo Joe
    @Gordo

    Gordo, I actually remember seeing 'Mounties' like this in my youthful forays into Northern Ontario and there was a TV series "Sargent Preston of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police." I thought the sidearm with the lanyard was cool.

    Replies: @Right_On, @San Fernando Curt, @CCZ

    And his dog YUKON KING!!!

  98. @Bardon Kaldian
    By the way, for COVID alternative treatment fans, old news:

    https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/why-hcq-ivermectin-dropped-india-covid-treatment-protocol-1857306-2021-09-26

    Why HCQ and Ivermectin were removed from India’s Covid-19 treatment protocol

    Ivermectin and HCQ were dropped from the clinical guidance after studies found that these drugs have little to no effect on Covid-related mortality or clinical recovery of the patient.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

    Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug

    Replies: @gda53, @artichoke

    Amazing how the sheep are willing, nay anxious, to promote the lies of their masters.

    It’s a ‘thing’.

    I suggest you dig a little deeper and you will find the truth is quite the opposite of your smugly provided propaganda.

    Baaaaa.

    “Highly unvaccinated Indian state Uttar Pradesh, with 210 million inhabitants, roughly the same population as the whole of Brazil, had a surge in Covid cases earlier this year that ended abruptly after widespread use of ivermectin, despite objections and criticism from WHO. In another state, however, Tamil Nadu, that did not use ivermectin, cases tripled instead of declining dramatically as in the rest of the country. This is why Indian lawyers took legal action against WHO chief scientist for suppressing data on ivermectin to treat Covid.”
    https://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/why-all-the-fuss-about-ivermectin-that-became-in-many-countries-a-dirty-word/

  99. @obwandiyag
    Alright, so here's "statistics" for ya.

    1. Everybody knows that unemployment statistics are bunk. There are a lot more unemployed than the statistics say.

    2. Everybody knows that GDP statistics are bullshit. And forget the fact that a chemical plant makes a bunch of chemicals and dumps the waste in a river, and that's considered a credit instead of a debit. Even forgetting that, the GDP statistics are bullshit.

    3. Everybody knows that inflation statistics are nonsense. Anybody who buys things knows that the cost of everything is always going up much more and faster than the statistics say.

    4. Everybody knows that Covid statistics are bunk. They count people who died from heart attack or cancer or general malaise as Covid. They don't count people who died from the vaccine as dying from the vaccine. Just for starters. Total bunk.

    There ya go. I got a million of 'em.

    Replies: @Stephen Paul Foster

    What syphilis does to the brain.

  100. Sri Lankans do quite well. The country is divided between Hindus and Buddhists, it would be interesting to know if there are any test score differences between the two groups.
    I’m really surprised at how well North Africans do. That’s not true for their counterparts in Europe, especially France, though things might be changing a bit.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @prosa123


    Sri Lankans do quite well. The country is divided between Hindus and Buddhists...
     
    ...and Christians and Moslems. Throw in a few Western pederasts like Arthur C Clarke and Leyland Stevenson, who are dead but have successors.

    The Tamil I shared a class with was Christian. Or "Chris-ti-an" as he pronounced it.
  101. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack777

    Google says 3.5% of Canadians are black. Serious question: where do these black Canadians come from?

    It's obviously a combination, but how are many are descended from the Revolutionary War period when Loyalist and some of their black allies bailed on the U.S.? Or the "underground railroad" era? Or did they migrate from the South to Detroit and just keep going north in the Great Migration? Or are they mostly recent Afro-Caribbean imports?

    Like most Americans, I don't know all that much about Canada. Canadian blacks, even less so.

    Replies: @Corn

    Google says 3.5% of Canadians are black. Serious question: where do these black Canadians come from?

    Or are they mostly recent Afro-Caribbean imports?

    Hopefully a Canadian can enlighten us. It’s my understanding that blacks were a negligible percentage of the population (1-2% or less) until the 1960s. Then as the “white Dominions” dropped explicitly pro-white, pro-British immigration policies, Australia and NZ started taking in more Asians, and Canada started taking in more Asians and blacks from the Caribbean and Africa.

  102. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Jack777


    I thought Canada was supposed to practice selective immigration.
     
    Selection is based on a points system. Exceptions are made for "refugees". A lot of points relate to an immigrant's facility with Canada's two official languages, English and French. My impression is that Haitian Creole is treated as if it were French. I certainly noticed a shocking increase in the numbers of Haitians in Montreal over my regular visits to that city over the past three decades. During my last visit, various individuals warned me that I should take care to avoid certain parts of downtown that had become Haitian enclaves. My observations while skirting one of these areas was that these individuals had, if anything, understated the sense of menace.

    Canada is insanely PC even by the USA's current insanely PC standards. Over the last thirty years I've seen immigration turn once pleasant Canadian cities like Montreal and Toronto into urban pest holes only slightly better than their US counterparts.

    Replies: @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin, @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    You are correct that the number of Haitians in Montreal has increased enormously.

    I wil say this: the initial wave of Haitians in Quebec was mostly educated Haitians who fled Duvalier and its pro-black (as opposed to mulatto) ideology, and were generally well integrated and successfull. But the latest crop is showing every sign of reverting to generic north american black average, adopting american ghetto black culture https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2021-09-04/gangs-de-rue/le-nouveau-far-west.php . The area around Montreal-Nord (away from downtown) is sliding into ghetto territory with an increasing and worrisome increase in shootings. Though I have to put this into perspective: in 2020 Montreal had a murder rate of 0.97 (per 100 000 pop) https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510007101&pickMembers%5B0%5D=2.2&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2016&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2020&referencePeriods=20160101%2C20200101
    That would make it pretty much the safest city in the US. https://www.statista.com/statistics/718903/murder-rate-in-us-cities-in-2015/
    Toronto : 1.62
    Canada: 1.95
    US: 7.8

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    Homicide appears to be a Métis and Inuit specialty in Canada:


    https://www.statista.com/statistics/433671/homicide-rate-in-canada-by-province/


    Montreal is safer than any province except Nova Scotia? That turns the urban/rural math upside-down.

    Replies: @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    , @Ed
    @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    Early in the Trump years, thousands of Haitians and Nigerians, marched to the Canadian border and claimed asylum. I doubt Canada sent any back even if they failed to prove their cases.

    I talked to a US state dept lady at a social function in ‘18 or so.. She was going to Nigeria to implement a more rigorous visa screening plan. She said it wasn’t some new US initiative but that the Canadians asked them to curtail giving out US visas to Nigerians because they were simply going to go to Canada.

    Of course the Canadians, being good liberals, didn’t want their efforts publicly known.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    The US prairies look safer than the Canadian ones:




    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwYRtyxVgAM7U_-.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6b/d4/01/6bd401cffec3aa0be88a9f65a468f3ce.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  103. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Jack777


    I thought Canada was supposed to practice selective immigration.
     
    Selection is based on a points system. Exceptions are made for "refugees". A lot of points relate to an immigrant's facility with Canada's two official languages, English and French. My impression is that Haitian Creole is treated as if it were French. I certainly noticed a shocking increase in the numbers of Haitians in Montreal over my regular visits to that city over the past three decades. During my last visit, various individuals warned me that I should take care to avoid certain parts of downtown that had become Haitian enclaves. My observations while skirting one of these areas was that these individuals had, if anything, understated the sense of menace.

    Canada is insanely PC even by the USA's current insanely PC standards. Over the last thirty years I've seen immigration turn once pleasant Canadian cities like Montreal and Toronto into urban pest holes only slightly better than their US counterparts.

    Replies: @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin, @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    Most immigrants go through a selection process, and those generally do rather well. But a significant portion of immigrants come through either family reunification process or as refugees, and those are not selected, and they don’t do as well.

  104. @prosa123
    Sri Lankans do quite well. The country is divided between Hindus and Buddhists, it would be interesting to know if there are any test score differences between the two groups.
    I'm really surprised at how well North Africans do. That's not true for their counterparts in Europe, especially France, though things might be changing a bit.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Sri Lankans do quite well. The country is divided between Hindus and Buddhists…

    …and Christians and Moslems. Throw in a few Western pederasts like Arthur C Clarke and Leyland Stevenson, who are dead but have successors.

    The Tamil I shared a class with was Christian. Or “Chris-ti-an” as he pronounced it.

  105. @epebble
    I suspect the data is not good. Some red flags:

    Total PreK - 12: 256,000; 13 year life span of youthful cohorts is less than 1% of Canada's population (38 million)?

    More Sri Lankans than Indians?

    Every group is more than Latin American?

    Most likely, this is a subsample of a demographic, not all of Canada. (If that is what these stats are, I didn't know).

    Replies: @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    From checking the twitter thread, it looks like this is a study in Toronto only, not Canada.

    Toronto’s demographics is markedly different from the general canadian population.

    • Thanks: epebble
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    Toronto’s demographics is markedly different from the general canadian population.

    That is what I thought. The statistics listed do not seem to have any resemblance to Canada as a whole. Most of the comments based on these statistics are invalid.

  106. @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    You are correct that the number of Haitians in Montreal has increased enormously.

    I wil say this: the initial wave of Haitians in Quebec was mostly educated Haitians who fled Duvalier and its pro-black (as opposed to mulatto) ideology, and were generally well integrated and successfull. But the latest crop is showing every sign of reverting to generic north american black average, adopting american ghetto black culture https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2021-09-04/gangs-de-rue/le-nouveau-far-west.php . The area around Montreal-Nord (away from downtown) is sliding into ghetto territory with an increasing and worrisome increase in shootings. Though I have to put this into perspective: in 2020 Montreal had a murder rate of 0.97 (per 100 000 pop) https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510007101&pickMembers%5B0%5D=2.2&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2016&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2020&referencePeriods=20160101%2C20200101
    That would make it pretty much the safest city in the US. https://www.statista.com/statistics/718903/murder-rate-in-us-cities-in-2015/
    Toronto : 1.62
    Canada: 1.95
    US: 7.8

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ed, @Reg Cæsar

    Homicide appears to be a Métis and Inuit specialty in Canada:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/433671/homicide-rate-in-canada-by-province/

    Montreal is safer than any province except Nova Scotia? That turns the urban/rural math upside-down.

    • Replies: @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yes.

    The murder rate among canadian first nations was 6 times higher than the rest of the population in 2014: https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/jf-pf/2019/may01.html

    Provinces that have a relatively high number of first nations, like Manitoba and Saskatchewan, not coincidentally also have the highest homicide rates.

    First nations have become the canadian equivalent of blacks in the US in pretty much all aspects. An unassimilated group, permanently poorer, markedly less educated, more violent, dysfunctional in a modern high productivity techno-industrial society, and a designated sanctified victim group to torment whites with.

  107. @Buffalo Joe
    @Gordo

    Gordo, I actually remember seeing 'Mounties' like this in my youthful forays into Northern Ontario and there was a TV series "Sargent Preston of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police." I thought the sidearm with the lanyard was cool.

    Replies: @Right_On, @San Fernando Curt, @CCZ

    “I thought the sidearm with the lanyard was cool.”

    And so was his dog Yukon King!!!!

    Earlier this year, Sargent Preston was still presenting an inspiring portrait of the RCMP, in re-runs aired at 4:00 AM on one of the “nostalgia television” channels (satisfyingly not very “diverse”) visible in my area.

  108. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Them hosers need to rip down all those statues of Dudley Do-right.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  109. @Colin Wright
    One thought leads to another...

    Japanese, with an average IQ of 109 by at least one test, are arguably the most intelligent ethnic group on the planet.

    On the other hand, my understanding is that the Japanese on Hawaii were brought there as farm labor -- almost certainly, therefore, not drawn from the most exalted strata of Japanese society.

    These Japanese remain fairly ethnically distinct -- one of Hawaii's two senators is always Japanese.

    It'd be interesting to know what their average IQ is. It'd give some idea of the impact of class origin and culture on IQ scores. Are peasants inherently less intelligent than merchants, in other words.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Hypnotoad666

    Are peasants inherently less intelligent than merchants, in other words.

    Prior to the 20th century 98% of the population in most places were farmers or laborers so they should represent pretty much the whole bell curve of the population’s intelligence spectrum. (And the 2% of merchants and elites were not necessarily the highest 2% of IQ either.)

    The self-selection of who has the personality or inclination to emigrate (assuming it was voluntary) is probably a bigger factor. I wonder if anyone has really studied that as it’s hard to believe it’s just a random cross-section. Emigrant populations ought to have some tendencies, whether it’s risk taking or being a malcontent where you are, or whatever. Genetics and culture would both tend to pass these traits down.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Hypnotoad666

    'Prior to the 20th century 98% of the population in most places were farmers or laborers so they should represent pretty much the whole bell curve of the population’s intelligence spectrum. (And the 2% of merchants and elites were not necessarily the highest 2% of IQ either.)'

    Still, the emigrants would presumably have been the more impoverished peasants. The Nakajimas, who have always managed to hold on to their twenty acres, aren't going anywhere.

    Your point about self-selection I agree with entirely -- but it would be hard to quantify.

    It's interesting. Were the several millions of Poles who emigrated here, for example, Poland's losers, or Poland's go-getters? The least probable case is that they were a perfectly random cross-section of the population.

    Replies: @artichoke

  110. the majority majority of upper class / upper middle class filipinos are chinese or eurasians

  111. @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    You are correct that the number of Haitians in Montreal has increased enormously.

    I wil say this: the initial wave of Haitians in Quebec was mostly educated Haitians who fled Duvalier and its pro-black (as opposed to mulatto) ideology, and were generally well integrated and successfull. But the latest crop is showing every sign of reverting to generic north american black average, adopting american ghetto black culture https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2021-09-04/gangs-de-rue/le-nouveau-far-west.php . The area around Montreal-Nord (away from downtown) is sliding into ghetto territory with an increasing and worrisome increase in shootings. Though I have to put this into perspective: in 2020 Montreal had a murder rate of 0.97 (per 100 000 pop) https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510007101&pickMembers%5B0%5D=2.2&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2016&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2020&referencePeriods=20160101%2C20200101
    That would make it pretty much the safest city in the US. https://www.statista.com/statistics/718903/murder-rate-in-us-cities-in-2015/
    Toronto : 1.62
    Canada: 1.95
    US: 7.8

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ed, @Reg Cæsar

    Early in the Trump years, thousands of Haitians and Nigerians, marched to the Canadian border and claimed asylum. I doubt Canada sent any back even if they failed to prove their cases.

    I talked to a US state dept lady at a social function in ‘18 or so.. She was going to Nigeria to implement a more rigorous visa screening plan. She said it wasn’t some new US initiative but that the Canadians asked them to curtail giving out US visas to Nigerians because they were simply going to go to Canada.

    Of course the Canadians, being good liberals, didn’t want their efforts publicly known.

  112. @Right_On
    @Buffalo Joe

    I thought the sidearm with the lanyard was cool.

    Lanyards are simple but effective bits of kit, no? If, in the heat of a conflict, you drop your gun you won't lose it; and the baddie can't snatch it away from you.

    Might have been more of a British thing. A lanyard is a common sight in old movies featuring British colonial policemen or army officers.

    You never see lanyards worn in modern cop dramas or war movies, so there's obviously a disadvantage to using one that I'm too stupid to see.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    You never see lanyards worn in modern cop dramas or war movies, so there’s obviously a disadvantage to using one that I’m too stupid to see.

    They are still being manufactured and sold, so they do they have useful utility.

    Check out the reviews of the BLACKHAWK lanyard on Amazon.

    • Thanks: Right_On
  113. @Anonymous

    So Northeast Asian students with parents born in Canada have a 116 composite score and … White kids whose parents were born in Canada have a 106 composite.
     
    Was it wise to import a large class of aliens with far higher IQs than your own?

    What is the future for Canadian Whites—especially their men, who need high pay, high status jobs to attract a mate?

    They all seem destined to either become an underclass or be bred out as the females pair up with higher status, more powerful aliens.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @beavertales

    Was it wise to import a large class of aliens with far higher IQs than your own?

    What is the future for Canadian Whites—especially their men, who need high pay, high status jobs to attract a mate?

    They all seem destined to either become an underclass or be bred out as the females pair up with higher status, more powerful aliens.

    Do most Northeastern Asian males strike you as fecund and, as a group, prone to marrying white females?

    Whatever affliction causes white European males to not breed seems to hit Northeast Asian males with at least equal vigor.

    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Pincher Martin

    Good point. Whites are not dying out because whites can’t find mates. White males can easily attract Asian and Latina wives. But this increased inter-racial mating will result in far fewer Whites. I suppose many of them will identify as white , but over half will not due to the flight from white.

  114. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    crossing the border into Canada to capture escaped slaves meant crossing the Niagara River,Lake Erie or Lake Ontario.
     
    The Detroit River, too, and Lake St Clair and the St Lawrence with its Thousand Islands. Many slaves went to Nova Scotia as well.

    Remember that the British ran Canada very differently from how the Canadians themselves later did. There were no Mounties then. The Brits were paradoxically abolitionist and partial to the South.

    J J McCullough's most recent video explains how Canadians' passive nature was a direct and deliberate result of British colonial policy; link to the point he brings this up:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5wKWbbMoLqg&t=3m42s

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    I wonder why this narrator adopts a fake Canadian accent. He pronounces the syllable “-out” in a poor imitation of a real Canadian accent, and even uses it in words — like “down” and “amount” –where the “ou” sound is not followed by a stop.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)


    I wonder why this narrator adopts a fake Canadian accent.
     
    Not "fake", extreme. He's covered this in other videos.
  115. @beavertales
    @Jack777

    Canada is beset with chain migration, which doesn't select for any skills or education. One refugee can bring in a small village worth of relatives. one refugee sponsored 150 family members.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/marcus-askar-150-somali-family-1.4394375

    With predictable results:

    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/crime/rewards-renewed-for-11-unsolved-edmonton-homicides-linked-to-somali-community

    Canada has a black murder problem.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Canada has a black murder problem.

    The sheer unmitigated stupidity of Canada is hard to fathom. They had more than a century to observe the effect of importing a large black population on their southern neighbor & they still
    did this to themselves.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @kaganovitch


    The sheer unmitigated stupidity of Canada is hard to fathom. They had more than a century to observe the effect of importing a large black population on their southern neighbor & they still
    did this to themselves.
     
    They learned nothing from our experience with race. But we learned nothing from their experience with language.

    On est quitte. Call it even.
  116. @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin
    @epebble

    From checking the twitter thread, it looks like this is a study in Toronto only, not Canada.

    Toronto's demographics is markedly different from the general canadian population.

    Replies: @epebble

    Toronto’s demographics is markedly different from the general canadian population.

    That is what I thought. The statistics listed do not seem to have any resemblance to Canada as a whole. Most of the comments based on these statistics are invalid.

  117. @Black Athena
    @ic1000

    It's funny how your color prejudice is exposed by how brazenly you ignore the scores of South Asian, West African and East African Canadians. Obviously because their scores contradict your racial fantasies. Try explain these Canadian composite scores using your HBD Bible:

    Bangladeshi-----------105.59
    Sri Lankan-------------105.57
    European (South)-----101.73
    East African------------95.20
    West African-----------94.08
    Afghanistani---------- 93.96
    South American-------93.80
    Asiatic Aboriginals-- 91.66
    Central American-----90.75

    Replies: @smetana, @Reg Cæsar

    Try explain these Canadian composite scores using your HBD Bible

    Can do it in 3 words: Merit-based immigration.

    3 more words: Foreign grad students.

    3 more: Bangladeshi brain drain.

    • Replies: @Black Athena
    @smetana

    Where is the evidence for your claims? Show us.

  118. @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    You are correct that the number of Haitians in Montreal has increased enormously.

    I wil say this: the initial wave of Haitians in Quebec was mostly educated Haitians who fled Duvalier and its pro-black (as opposed to mulatto) ideology, and were generally well integrated and successfull. But the latest crop is showing every sign of reverting to generic north american black average, adopting american ghetto black culture https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2021-09-04/gangs-de-rue/le-nouveau-far-west.php . The area around Montreal-Nord (away from downtown) is sliding into ghetto territory with an increasing and worrisome increase in shootings. Though I have to put this into perspective: in 2020 Montreal had a murder rate of 0.97 (per 100 000 pop) https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3510007101&pickMembers%5B0%5D=2.2&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2016&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2020&referencePeriods=20160101%2C20200101
    That would make it pretty much the safest city in the US. https://www.statista.com/statistics/718903/murder-rate-in-us-cities-in-2015/
    Toronto : 1.62
    Canada: 1.95
    US: 7.8

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Ed, @Reg Cæsar

    The US prairies look safer than the Canadian ones:

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    Obviously Nunavut's high rate must be due to overcrowding.

  119. @kaganovitch
    @beavertales

    Canada has a black murder problem.

    The sheer unmitigated stupidity of Canada is hard to fathom. They had more than a century to observe the effect of importing a large black population on their southern neighbor & they still
    did this to themselves.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The sheer unmitigated stupidity of Canada is hard to fathom. They had more than a century to observe the effect of importing a large black population on their southern neighbor & they still
    did this to themselves.

    They learned nothing from our experience with race. But we learned nothing from their experience with language.

    On est quitte. Call it even.

  120. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    The US prairies look safer than the Canadian ones:




    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwYRtyxVgAM7U_-.jpg

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6b/d4/01/6bd401cffec3aa0be88a9f65a468f3ce.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Obviously Nunavut’s high rate must be due to overcrowding.

  121. Anon[341] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if Steve might be interested in reviewing this soon to be published book:

    It’s blurbed by Taleb and Chomsky, and “is written against the conventional account of human social history” of Hobbes, Rousseau, Jared Diamond, Harari, Fukuyama, and Steven Pinker. It supposedly dethrones the Enlightenment as simply white guys appropriating indigenous ways or something like that.

    Written by an anthropologist and an archeologist. The anthropologist was supposedly fired by Yale for being too politically radical (?!?).

    Here’re some prepublication reviews:

    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/181616

    https://www.fairobserver.com/culture/peter-isackson-david-graebers-book-review-david-wengrow-culture-news-23792/

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/oct/23/the-dawn-of-everything-by-david-graeber-and-david-wengrow-review-inequality-is-not-the-price-of-civilisation

    The Dawn of Everything is an exhilarating read, but it’s unclear how effectively it makes the case for anarchism. Skeptical readers will be driven to ask: if states in their current form are really so unnecessary, why have they become so dominant across the world?

    • Replies: @Tony massey
    @Anon

    That reminds me of the bryson book a short history of everything. I think that was tree title? Read it a long time ago. Really great read. Can't imagine how hard that was to write. Bryson is also a really great guy not that i know him just saying.
    Every highschooler should read the bryson book.
    The dawn of everything sounds interesting. I'll check it out. Always glad to hear of a good read.
    Thanks
    And you should read the bryson book.

  122. @Black Athena
    @ic1000

    It's funny how your color prejudice is exposed by how brazenly you ignore the scores of South Asian, West African and East African Canadians. Obviously because their scores contradict your racial fantasies. Try explain these Canadian composite scores using your HBD Bible:

    Bangladeshi-----------105.59
    Sri Lankan-------------105.57
    European (South)-----101.73
    East African------------95.20
    West African-----------94.08
    Afghanistani---------- 93.96
    South American-------93.80
    Asiatic Aboriginals-- 91.66
    Central American-----90.75

    Replies: @smetana, @Reg Cæsar

    Afghanistani———- 93.96

    “Afghani” is bad enough, but “Afghanistani” takes the gosh-e fil.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's a great pic!

    , @Bill Jones
    @Reg Cæsar

    At least you can touch their hair.

  123. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Reg Cæsar

    I wonder why this narrator adopts a fake Canadian accent. He pronounces the syllable "-out" in a poor imitation of a real Canadian accent, and even uses it in words -- like "down" and "amount" --where the "ou" sound is not followed by a stop.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I wonder why this narrator adopts a fake Canadian accent.

    Not “fake”, extreme. He’s covered this in other videos.

  124. @Obstinate Cymric
    OT - South African cricketer dropped from the team for refusing to do the BLM kneeling thing.

    So far so humdrum, but a nice piece of sophistry from his employers, the South African cricket authorities.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/oct/26/cricket-quinton-de-kock-misses-t20-world-cup-game-south-africa-players-told-take-knee


    “After considering all relevant issues, including the freedom of choice of players, the board had made it clear it was imperative for the team to be seen taking a stand against racism, especially given South Africa’s history. The Board’s view was that while diversity can and should find expression in many facets of daily lives, this did not apply when it came to taking a stand against racism.
     
    I think we may well see this "exceptional clause" applied to the struggle against (natch) antisemitism, sexism, transphobia and who knows what other invented pathologies?

    De Kock has yet to comment on his absence from Tuesday’s game, but has declined to take a knee before games in the past, calling it in June “my own personal opinion … it’s everyone’s decision. No one is forced to do anything.”
     
    That view turned out to be wrong.

    Replies: @sb, @Pericles

    This should be a big story but will probably only receive any attention in the cricket playing world and then only for a day .
    It seems that it is becoming mandatory internationally to be a supporter of the American Black Lives Matter organisation . No kneel no job .
    I guess that this will be the end of de Kock’s cricketing career .
    I note that even supposedly conservative media like the UK Daily Telegraph are steering clear of expressing an opinion on de Kock’s stance ( no surprises there )

  125. @Reg Cæsar
    @Black Athena


    Afghanistani———- 93.96


    "Afghani" is bad enough, but "Afghanistani" takes the gosh-e fil.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/10/23/05/39A036AD00000578-3863664-image-a-29_1477196053537.jpg

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Bill Jones

    That’s a great pic!

  126. @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    The Establishment needs this info so they can more effectively manage the destruction of White people. Sure, we need forced integration and the destruction of White communities. That's all part of the pogrom against Whitey of the last 70 years.

    But can't this anti-White project be done in a way that allows Sports Cucks and Data-Boys to have a special set aside for themselves? And in a more subtle way that allows Cornball Minnesota Whites to keep pretending they don't notice?

    Replies: @Pericles

    But can’t this anti-White project be done in a way that allows Sports Cucks and Data-Boys to have a special set aside for themselves? And in a more subtle way that allows Cornball Minnesota Whites to keep pretending they don’t notice?

    But where is the fun in that? I mean, if you don’t rub their noses in it.

    • Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship
    @Pericles

    Yeah one of the good things about the anti-Whitism of today is that it's so raw and open. No one can deny it.

  127. @Obstinate Cymric
    OT - South African cricketer dropped from the team for refusing to do the BLM kneeling thing.

    So far so humdrum, but a nice piece of sophistry from his employers, the South African cricket authorities.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/oct/26/cricket-quinton-de-kock-misses-t20-world-cup-game-south-africa-players-told-take-knee


    “After considering all relevant issues, including the freedom of choice of players, the board had made it clear it was imperative for the team to be seen taking a stand against racism, especially given South Africa’s history. The Board’s view was that while diversity can and should find expression in many facets of daily lives, this did not apply when it came to taking a stand against racism.
     
    I think we may well see this "exceptional clause" applied to the struggle against (natch) antisemitism, sexism, transphobia and who knows what other invented pathologies?

    De Kock has yet to comment on his absence from Tuesday’s game, but has declined to take a knee before games in the past, calling it in June “my own personal opinion … it’s everyone’s decision. No one is forced to do anything.”
     
    That view turned out to be wrong.

    Replies: @sb, @Pericles

    Popper’s paradox: to maintain a tolerant society, society must be intolerant of intolerance.

    So what is intolerance then? Don’t worry, we’ll tell you.

  128. @Altai
    Somewhat related. Steve's observation of whites not tending to take advantage of the USA's one drop mentality to falsely claim non-white status seems to have fallen apart, at least according to one survey.

    34% of white college students lied about their race to improve chances of admission, financial aid benefits
    https://www.intelligent.com/34-of-white-college-students-lied-about-their-race-to-improve-chances-of-admission-financial-aid-benefits/?adfa


    34% of white Americans who applied to colleges or universities admit to lying about being a racial minority on their application
    48% of people who lied claimed to be Native American

    3/4 of people who faked being a racial minority on their applications were accepted by the colleges to which they lied

    ...


    Intelligent.com
    asked 1,250 white college applicants ages 16 and older if they lied on their application by indicating they were a racial minority.

     

    I once met a Canadian guy who looked like an Abercrombie and Fitch model (Before they got self-conscious and diversified) who was even named 'Lance' who said he was the last generation who could still claim benefits from the state on the basis of his First Nations heritage. I said I think it should have ended a generation earlier, he laughed and agreed.

    Men were much more likely than women, shocking if true but their survey found 48% of white males admitted to lying about non-white ancestry they didn't really have. Only 16% of the women said they did. The bulk claimed Native American ancestry which seems safest (You can credibly claim it was your Great-Great Grandfather and the low numbers of Native Americans means people with low amounts of ancestry are more significant) and perhaps most attractive.

    They surveyed 1250 people but I'd still like to know what the sampling bias might be.


    Nearly half of all respondents who lied about their minority status (48%) identified themselves as Native American on their applications.

    Thirteen percent claimed to be Latino, 10% claimed to be Black, and 9% claimed to be Asian or Pacific Islander.

    Twice as many men as women claimed Native American heritage on their applications (54% compared to 24%). Meanwhile, one in four women (24%) claimed to be Latino. Women are also more than twice as likely as men to pretend to be Black (18% compared to 8%).

    According to Intelligent.com Managing Editor Kristen Scatton, the prevalence of applicants who claim Native American ancestry is possibly due to the popular narrative that for many Americans, a small percentage of their DNA comes from a Native American tribe.

    “For college applicants who are trying to give their application a boost by pretending to be a racial minority, they may seize on this notion that many Americans of European descent have some Native American DNA in their bloodline,” Scatton says. “However, research has shown that’s not all that common, particularly among white Americans. But applicants are banking on the fact that no college is going to ask them to provide a DNA sample to verify.”
     

    All data found within this report derives from a survey commissioned by Intelligent.com and conducted online by survey platform Pollfish. In total, 1,250 white Americans were surveyed. To qualify for the survey, each respondent had to have previously applied to a college or university in the U.S. Appropriate respondents were found via a screening question.
     

    Your mileage may vary as to if this is a real representative sample but it'd be fascinating to see the age profile breakdown. Was there a surge for those who applied during the early years of Affirmative Action, a lull afterwards and a surge for Gen Zers applying in the time of the Great Awokening?

    It would also be interesting to see if the peculation of this kind of survey will make other whites start to do the same in a Prisoner's Dilemma situation. According to this one there doesn't seem to be any consequences for it. But surely soon with the proliferation of DNA testing, there be calls to validate such claims. (I've always thought the numbers of Native American students in university demographic breakdowns seemed quite high)

    Replies: @Polistra, @Anon, @Polistra, @Wilkey, @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe, @Pericles

    Could be they just consider themselves native americans.

  129. @jay ritchie
    @Henry's Cat

    The sad thing for QDC is that he will be a controversial figure in a lot of countries. Bet he now wishes that he had emigrated somewhere with a path to citizenship a few years ago and cashed out in the leagues. Plenty of fine southern African players have done just that.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    His best tack is to cast his opposition in religious terms – say he only kneels to God.

  130. @Pericles
    @Loyalty Over IQ Worship


    But can’t this anti-White project be done in a way that allows Sports Cucks and Data-Boys to have a special set aside for themselves? And in a more subtle way that allows Cornball Minnesota Whites to keep pretending they don’t notice?

     

    But where is the fun in that? I mean, if you don't rub their noses in it.

    Replies: @Loyalty Over IQ Worship

    Yeah one of the good things about the anti-Whitism of today is that it’s so raw and open. No one can deny it.

  131. I, and my parents were born in America. So when I claim to be “Native American”, it isn’t really a lie.

  132. Interestingly, both Canadian and whites and Canadian blacks outperform American ones, respectively. Do the whites do better because they don’t have as many Scots Irish? As many descendants of involuntary colonists?

    Someone up-thread said Canadians tended to be farmers who came on land grants. That is interesting. Much like industrialization opened niches for people less intelligent than average as factory workers, farming opened up spots for less intelligent people as field-hands. In the case of field-hands, the population likely kept getting smarter because field-hands, having much higher incomes during some months than others, were selected for foresight. Not to mention, field-hands were likely at below-replacement fertility, and part of the population was replaced every generation with excess reproduction from landed farmers. In places with primogeniture, field-hands might not have been much dumber than farmers.

    [MORE]

    But if the Canadian population was descended from people smart enough to plan and do the paperwork for a land grant, that truncates the rural population at a fairly high level.

    America (the US) got a lot of peasant farmers who become urban proletariat once they arrived. If you want to know how smart Polish peasants aren’t, just ask a Russian Jew! If Canada industrialized later, they must have “missed” this immigration stream. Farmer or not, England has been a nation of shopkeepers for a long time.

    Speaking of Jews, did Canada have very many? By stereotype, I don’t think they did. The middleman niche was open and likely filled by British shopkeepers. On a national level, European countries that produced an endogenous petit bourgeoisie did much better than those that relied upon Jews. This is a universal experience of European countries. It is one of the non-barking dogs of European (and American) sociology and economic history. Seriously, it is so universal that American exceptionalism as a successful nation that had a lot of jews is interesting.

    I saw an interesting explanation for why China was doing so well, like why its people are thriving while the West’s lower classes are impoverished and its middle-class to pro-man class are so heavily burdened by and sterilized by debt. Why China rises but the West is being, indeed, in the under-eighteen set, has been, replaced by lower races. China has no Jews. This observation came from Andrew Anglin, whose [bad thing] is caused by Jews and [good thing] is caused by the absence of Jews explanatory style is guaranteed. But, if I were a currently comfortable Western Jew, the accuracy of this observation might discourage me from inflicting further race replacement on the west.

    There’s also the matter of dysgenic reproduction. If Canada had both more rural and lacked an underclass, to begin with, then it is nearly certain that dysgenic reproduction hit later and not nearly as hard as in its southern neighbor.

    I wonder what America’s white population would look like absent the Scots Irish and Eastern European (and Italian) peasantry. Would 106 mean IQ be surprising?

    The near-90 IQ for blacks is almost certainly due to selective immigration, but it is very easy to forget that -1.1σ is the fundamental constant of sociology The black population of Canada is closer to half an sd up from America’s. I wonder how white their blacks are. Likely less than ours, what with all the Caribbeans there. On the other hand, their biggest Reggae export speaks for himself:

    Canadian natives seem dimmer than ours. Perhaps because we intuitively measure minorities by blacks. Perhaps our natives are whiter (thanks, Scots Irish!) perhaps they had a larger population size?

    IQ numbers from the great white both sure are interesting.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Rob


    Do the whites do better because they don’t have as many Scots Irish?
     
    What’s wrong with Scots Irish?

    Replies: @Rob

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob


    Do the whites do better because they don’t have as many Scots Irish?
     
    Scots-Irish are not stupid, just wild. We look at them like Emma Lazarus (of Sephardic descent) saw Eastern European Ashkenazim-- they may have plenty of native talent, but boy do they ever need to be cleaned up and civilized. A bit of an embarrassment.

    Charles Murray identifies as Scots-Irish.

    Canada, though, has a very high percentage of straight-ahead Scots, whose ancestors skipped Ulster altogether and came directly to North America. Their names are all over the map and the money. "Our" basketball (Naismith) and football (McGill coming to Harvard) we owe to Canadian Scots.

    Oh, and there's a reason they spell it whisky, while we usually don't.

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/whisky-or-whiskey-whats-difference

    Replies: @Anonymous

  133. @Anonymous

    So Northeast Asian students with parents born in Canada have a 116 composite score and … White kids whose parents were born in Canada have a 106 composite.
     
    Was it wise to import a large class of aliens with far higher IQs than your own?

    What is the future for Canadian Whites—especially their men, who need high pay, high status jobs to attract a mate?

    They all seem destined to either become an underclass or be bred out as the females pair up with higher status, more powerful aliens.

    Replies: @Pincher Martin, @beavertales

    “Was it wise to import a large class of aliens with far higher IQs than your own?”

    Idi Amin kicked out the higher IQ East Indians leftover from colonialism. It at least kept Uganda African.

    Quebec was a destination for British engineers until the native French began replacing them in the 1960’s. This was considered a great triumph for the descendants of colonial French settlers, to be “masters of their own house”.

    Now the rush is on to import an Asian, African, and Middle Eastern professional class to Quebec. While they fret about language, the European color and culture of the professional class is being decimated, and the average Quebecois is once again being displaced from being the ‘master of his own house’.

  134. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    crossing the border into Canada to capture escaped slaves meant crossing the Niagara River,Lake Erie or Lake Ontario.
     
    The Detroit River, too, and Lake St Clair and the St Lawrence with its Thousand Islands. Many slaves went to Nova Scotia as well.

    Remember that the British ran Canada very differently from how the Canadians themselves later did. There were no Mounties then. The Brits were paradoxically abolitionist and partial to the South.

    J J McCullough's most recent video explains how Canadians' passive nature was a direct and deliberate result of British colonial policy; link to the point he brings this up:


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5wKWbbMoLqg&t=3m42s

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    The guy manages not to mention that in the late 18th, early 19th century, the majority of the population of what is now Canada were ‘Canadiens’, as they were then called, which eventually became French Canadians.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    It’s my understanding that in the early/mid 20th century there was some fear among Anglo-Canadians that French-Canadians would again become the majority… though with the coming of the “Quiet Revolution” and secularism the Québécois birthrate plunged.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin


    The guy manages not to mention that in the late 18th, early 19th century, the majority of the population of what is now Canada were ‘Canadiens’, as they were then called, which eventually became French Canadians.
     
    He was addressing the "Americanness" of English Canadians. That's never been an issue with les habitants.

    Don't get the man started on Québec. Some of his videos are explicitly, and comically, Francophobe. It's all in good fun.
  135. @Reg Cæsar
    @Black Athena


    Afghanistani———- 93.96


    "Afghani" is bad enough, but "Afghanistani" takes the gosh-e fil.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/10/23/05/39A036AD00000578-3863664-image-a-29_1477196053537.jpg

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Bill Jones

    At least you can touch their hair.

  136. @Wilkey
    @Spangel112


    No one ever asks for an explanation as to why Asian people, who were colonized by the same European powers that colonized Africa, are doing so well if colonialism is to blame.</blockquote

    One of the older arguments we used to hear is that former African colonies have failed because the European colonial powers threw rival ethnic groups together into the same country, which lead to political instability.

    But this argument ever so slightly undermines all the demands for Diversity!, so we seldom hear it anymore, if at all.

    Yesterday: We are at war with Diversity.
    Today: We are at peace with Diversity. We have always been at peace with Diversity.
     

     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    True.

    The same people who on one topic go “of course african countries cannot get off the ground! Greedy evil European white men carved up Africa by drawing random lines on a map putting together random people” will turn around and argue “of course harmony will reign as we turn formerly homogeneous white developed countries into multiracial multicultural ones through immigration!”

  137. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    Homicide appears to be a Métis and Inuit specialty in Canada:


    https://www.statista.com/statistics/433671/homicide-rate-in-canada-by-province/


    Montreal is safer than any province except Nova Scotia? That turns the urban/rural math upside-down.

    Replies: @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin

    Yes.

    The murder rate among canadian first nations was 6 times higher than the rest of the population in 2014: https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/jf-pf/2019/may01.html

    Provinces that have a relatively high number of first nations, like Manitoba and Saskatchewan, not coincidentally also have the highest homicide rates.

    First nations have become the canadian equivalent of blacks in the US in pretty much all aspects. An unassimilated group, permanently poorer, markedly less educated, more violent, dysfunctional in a modern high productivity techno-industrial society, and a designated sanctified victim group to torment whites with.

  138. @Travis
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It appears White people are on Strike.
    https://twitter.com/JDKnox4/status/1453123133527965697?s=20
    Whites have stopped having children. So Blacks will find out soon how to survive without having whites cater to them.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    The human world of the future is going to be a shit hole. That we know. Unfortunately, it seems that human nature is such that those sitting on top of the pile of shit don’t ever seem to give a damn about the fact that they are sitting on top of a pile of shit.

    Those of us alive now, especially we with a few decades behind us, can see now that we were lucky enough to have lived at the very hight of human existence. It’s all downhill from here, folks.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Buzz Mohawk

    This process has probably been going on since post-World War One but really took off in the mid-Sixties. As bad as things are we're probably still only in mid-stage decay. Stay tuned-we haven't hit bottom yet. Happy trails, eh?

  139. @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin
    @Reg Cæsar

    The guy manages not to mention that in the late 18th, early 19th century, the majority of the population of what is now Canada were 'Canadiens', as they were then called, which eventually became French Canadians.

    Replies: @Corn, @Reg Cæsar

    It’s my understanding that in the early/mid 20th century there was some fear among Anglo-Canadians that French-Canadians would again become the majority… though with the coming of the “Quiet Revolution” and secularism the Québécois birthrate plunged.

  140. I suppose it’s a complete coincidence that http://humanvarieties.org/ is down…

  141. @Anonymous Jew
    @Steve Sailer

    I can’t recall the source, but I believe earlier waves of Filipinos (<1980-ish) had more pedestrian test scores. However, more recent Filipino immigration has been more selective, much like South Asian immigration.

    The valedictorian of my HS was Filipino, and I worked with a lot of the higher achieving Filipinos when I lived in San Francisco. My impression is that high achieving Filipinos are not significantly mixed - either Chinese or Spanish (unlike Hispanics were the high achievers almost always look White). Instead, they merely represent a more selective immigration policy. (One of the Filipino managers at an investment firm where I worked looked 100% Jungle Asian, ie very dark). Also, Filipinos seem to assimilate fairly quickly. Not sure if it’s the Catholicism or shared history/cultural influence of the US.

    Personally, I think we need at least a 30-year moratorium on all immigration. That said, imagine if the only immigrants we got from Latin America, the Philippines etc were those that score in the top 10% of their academic tests? LA would certainly look a lot different.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    I just spent the day at a rehab facility for the ancient… there was a fall and a fractured hip in the family… and nearly all the people working there were Filipino, male and female. Bigoted me, I see dark skin and think “Mexican”. No, they were all wearing masks so I couldn’t see the obviously Asian-like features very well. Their language was utterly foreign (I do recognize Spanish) so I assume it was Tagalog.

    Just a guess that these people (90% female) weren’t the Asian grind stereotypes. Would you go to extra test prep classes just to wind up helping 90 year olds go potty? But I’m really glad they’re capable and willing to do these jobs. This was one of the most expensive towns in CA and somehow all these people are there to do the necessary, low-status work of the circle of life.

    I want less immigration too, but I sure hope that we’d be able to find people like those Filipinos without it. I’m not so sure…

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @stillCARealist


    I want less immigration too, but I sure hope that we’d be able to find people like those Filipinos without it. I’m not so sure…
     
    Without Filipinas, you’ll get blacks who take care of the elderly and the infirm…
  142. @smetana
    @Black Athena


    Try explain these Canadian composite scores using your HBD Bible
     
    Can do it in 3 words: Merit-based immigration.

    3 more words: Foreign grad students.

    3 more: Bangladeshi brain drain.

    Replies: @Black Athena

    Where is the evidence for your claims? Show us.

  143. So Northeast Asian students with parents born in Canada have a 116 composite score and black students with parents born in Canada have an 89 composite? White kids whose parents were born in Canada have a 106 composite.

    The 21st century solution is to drive Asian and White kid scores down to 89.

  144. Remember, we’re not supposed to notice these things.

  145. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Travis

    The human world of the future is going to be a shit hole. That we know. Unfortunately, it seems that human nature is such that those sitting on top of the pile of shit don't ever seem to give a damn about the fact that they are sitting on top of a pile of shit.

    Those of us alive now, especially we with a few decades behind us, can see now that we were lucky enough to have lived at the very hight of human existence. It's all downhill from here, folks.


    https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CheerfulVapidBunting-size_restricted.gif

    Replies: @Prester John

    This process has probably been going on since post-World War One but really took off in the mid-Sixties. As bad as things are we’re probably still only in mid-stage decay. Stay tuned-we haven’t hit bottom yet. Happy trails, eh?

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
  146. Why are there slight discrepancies between two maps? (e.g. the top map shows U.S. has two Shitholes – Louisiana & Mississippi; the bottom one shows only one Shithole – Louisiana). Are they for different years?

  147. @Anonymous Jew
    @Wilkey

    Reminds me of the Russian(?) parable: a farmer is offered a wish, but his neighbor must get it twice. The farmer asks to have one eye removed.

    Rationally, Black resentment is completely unjustified, but I also sort of get it. Imagine if you were whisked away to some majority Elf kingdom where the average Elf IQ was 120 and you only qualified for menial jobs. Worse still, all the Elves were - by average White standards - annoyingly hyper-conscientious, diligent, mild mannered etc. Regardless of the health benefits, wealth, etc, you probably wouldn’t want to be ruled by these Elves or constantly reminded that they are smarter and less criminal than your fellow Whites.

    Anyways, the numbers provide more great argument material, not that we need it. And not that it matters, since the Left doesn’t care about arguments.

    So it goes something like this:
    Purple hair lady “Blacks underperform because of systemic racism”
    Crime thinker “But many other groups experienced racism and they do fine”
    Purple hair lady “Unlike NE and S Asians, Blacks weren’t immigrants - they were slaves and suffered from historical…”
    Crime thinker “But Black immigrants in Canada, Australia and Europe underperform by roughly the same degree as American Blacks”
    Purple hair lady “You’re racist!”

    Someone above brought up cheating to explain the Asian test scores. You can’t rule that out, but we also know that NE Asians adopted by Whites still, ever so slightly, outperform Whites. And presumably these Asian adoptees aren’t coming from the top of the Asian IQ curve. Considering that many of the Asians in Canada DO come from the top of their respective IQ curve, the test scores don’t surprise me and don’t necessarily indicate cheating.

    Replies: @Tony massey

    The way i heard it was a White man got 3 wishes but his neighbor the kneegro got twice as much.
    So he wished for a big house.
    The kneegro got one twice the size.
    Then he wished for a million dollars.
    The kneegro got 2 million.
    Then he wished to be beaten half to death with a baseball bat.

    • LOL: Anonymous Jew
  148. @Anon
    I wonder if Steve might be interested in reviewing this soon to be published book:

    https://www.amazon.com/Dawn-Everything-New-History-Humanity/dp/0374157359

    It's blurbed by Taleb and Chomsky, and "is written against the conventional account of human social history" of Hobbes, Rousseau, Jared Diamond, Harari, Fukuyama, and Steven Pinker. It supposedly dethrones the Enlightenment as simply white guys appropriating indigenous ways or something like that.

    Written by an anthropologist and an archeologist. The anthropologist was supposedly fired by Yale for being too politically radical (?!?).

    Here're some prepublication reviews:

    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/181616

    https://www.fairobserver.com/culture/peter-isackson-david-graebers-book-review-david-wengrow-culture-news-23792/

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/oct/23/the-dawn-of-everything-by-david-graeber-and-david-wengrow-review-inequality-is-not-the-price-of-civilisation

    The Dawn of Everything is an exhilarating read, but it’s unclear how effectively it makes the case for anarchism. Skeptical readers will be driven to ask: if states in their current form are really so unnecessary, why have they become so dominant across the world?
     

    Replies: @Tony massey

    That reminds me of the bryson book a short history of everything. I think that was tree title? Read it a long time ago. Really great read. Can’t imagine how hard that was to write. Bryson is also a really great guy not that i know him just saying.
    Every highschooler should read the bryson book.
    The dawn of everything sounds interesting. I’ll check it out. Always glad to hear of a good read.
    Thanks
    And you should read the bryson book.

  149. I love the Flips. I married one and my uncle did too before making a 30 year career in the Vasayas as a missionary. I’ll probably retire to a mango plantation there.

    As others have explored above, they are genetically a hodgepodge of races. The bulk are Malay or quasi-Polynesian. At the bottom are the Negritos which seem similar to Japan’s Ainu or Australian Aboriginals. At the top of the socio-economic pile are those with a good dose of Han and/or Spanish blood. There is also a good bit of Hindu blood, especially in the Vasayas and on Mindanao. Light skin and a long nose are markers of being high on the social hierarchy.

    Culturally, they suffer from living in the land of tropical fruit and honey. Life can be so easy there if your ambitions are low and expectations are lower. Think “The Dude” in LA. The government even subsidies rice.

    I think the survey suffered in differentiating the expats from the OFWs (overseas foreign workers.) The OFWs are the hustlers who leave home for better incomes which they send home to build capital for a home or a business when they eventually return. The expats also are exceptional but their progeny regress to the mean – they have it easy and know it.

    They are, in general, much cleaner and better dressed than the Chinese – I’ve dated both.

  150. @Steve Sailer
    @anonymous

    Filipinos score pretty well on California school tests.

    Replies: @Marquis, @stillCARealist, @ginger bread man, @Anonymous Jew, @Hapalong Cassidy

    Interestingly enough, if you look at demographic information on GreatSchools you’ll find that California (and only California) schools show Filipinos as their own separate category. In every other state they are lumped in with the rest of the Asians.

  151. @Hypnotoad666
    @Colin Wright


    Are peasants inherently less intelligent than merchants, in other words.
     
    Prior to the 20th century 98% of the population in most places were farmers or laborers so they should represent pretty much the whole bell curve of the population's intelligence spectrum. (And the 2% of merchants and elites were not necessarily the highest 2% of IQ either.)

    The self-selection of who has the personality or inclination to emigrate (assuming it was voluntary) is probably a bigger factor. I wonder if anyone has really studied that as it's hard to believe it's just a random cross-section. Emigrant populations ought to have some tendencies, whether it's risk taking or being a malcontent where you are, or whatever. Genetics and culture would both tend to pass these traits down.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Prior to the 20th century 98% of the population in most places were farmers or laborers so they should represent pretty much the whole bell curve of the population’s intelligence spectrum. (And the 2% of merchants and elites were not necessarily the highest 2% of IQ either.)’

    Still, the emigrants would presumably have been the more impoverished peasants. The Nakajimas, who have always managed to hold on to their twenty acres, aren’t going anywhere.

    Your point about self-selection I agree with entirely — but it would be hard to quantify.

    It’s interesting. Were the several millions of Poles who emigrated here, for example, Poland’s losers, or Poland’s go-getters? The least probable case is that they were a perfectly random cross-section of the population.

    • Replies: @artichoke
    @Colin Wright

    They were people who were able to afford steerage on a boat crossing the Atlantic. That leaves out the lower class. It includes the uncouth but clever and ambitious who keep getting thwarted at home.

    Now plenty of "human rights" organizations exist to make sure we don't have the protection of that filter. With legal immigration stalled, these NGO's essentially decide who gets to enter the USA. And we don't stop them. We even fund them.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  152. @Rob
    Interestingly, both Canadian and whites and Canadian blacks outperform American ones, respectively. Do the whites do better because they don’t have as many Scots Irish? As many descendants of involuntary colonists?

    Someone up-thread said Canadians tended to be farmers who came on land grants. That is interesting. Much like industrialization opened niches for people less intelligent than average as factory workers, farming opened up spots for less intelligent people as field-hands. In the case of field-hands, the population likely kept getting smarter because field-hands, having much higher incomes during some months than others, were selected for foresight. Not to mention, field-hands were likely at below-replacement fertility, and part of the population was replaced every generation with excess reproduction from landed farmers. In places with primogeniture, field-hands might not have been much dumber than farmers.

    But if the Canadian population was descended from people smart enough to plan and do the paperwork for a land grant, that truncates the rural population at a fairly high level.

    America (the US) got a lot of peasant farmers who become urban proletariat once they arrived. If you want to know how smart Polish peasants aren’t, just ask a Russian Jew! If Canada industrialized later, they must have “missed” this immigration stream. Farmer or not, England has been a nation of shopkeepers for a long time.

    Speaking of Jews, did Canada have very many? By stereotype, I don’t think they did. The middleman niche was open and likely filled by British shopkeepers. On a national level, European countries that produced an endogenous petit bourgeoisie did much better than those that relied upon Jews. This is a universal experience of European countries. It is one of the non-barking dogs of European (and American) sociology and economic history. Seriously, it is so universal that American exceptionalism as a successful nation that had a lot of jews is interesting.

    I saw an interesting explanation for why China was doing so well, like why its people are thriving while the West’s lower classes are impoverished and its middle-class to pro-man class are so heavily burdened by and sterilized by debt. Why China rises but the West is being, indeed, in the under-eighteen set, has been, replaced by lower races. China has no Jews. This observation came from Andrew Anglin, whose [bad thing] is caused by Jews and [good thing] is caused by the absence of Jews explanatory style is guaranteed. But, if I were a currently comfortable Western Jew, the accuracy of this observation might discourage me from inflicting further race replacement on the west.

    There’s also the matter of dysgenic reproduction. If Canada had both more rural and lacked an underclass, to begin with, then it is nearly certain that dysgenic reproduction hit later and not nearly as hard as in its southern neighbor.

    I wonder what America’s white population would look like absent the Scots Irish and Eastern European (and Italian) peasantry. Would 106 mean IQ be surprising?

    The near-90 IQ for blacks is almost certainly due to selective immigration, but it is very easy to forget that -1.1σ is the fundamental constant of sociology The black population of Canada is closer to half an sd up from America’s. I wonder how white their blacks are. Likely less than ours, what with all the Caribbeans there. On the other hand, their biggest Reggae export speaks for himself:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSffz_bl6zo
    Canadian natives seem dimmer than ours. Perhaps because we intuitively measure minorities by blacks. Perhaps our natives are whiter (thanks, Scots Irish!) perhaps they had a larger population size?

    IQ numbers from the great white both sure are interesting.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    Do the whites do better because they don’t have as many Scots Irish?

    What’s wrong with Scots Irish?

    • Replies: @Rob
    @Anonymous

    Nothing is wrong with the Scots Irish. I’m part myself. They/we were not as subject to the genes of successful farmers and merchants displacing those of people less capable of success in navigating (then or now) modernity that Gregory Clark documents in The Son Also Rises. Here is a link. The Son Also Rises

    The Scots Irish are one of the founding British ethnicities in America. Here is a Slate Star Codex Review of Albion’s Seed so you can reaf the review instead of buying the book.

  153. @Jean-Baptiste Moquelin
    @Reg Cæsar

    The guy manages not to mention that in the late 18th, early 19th century, the majority of the population of what is now Canada were 'Canadiens', as they were then called, which eventually became French Canadians.

    Replies: @Corn, @Reg Cæsar

    The guy manages not to mention that in the late 18th, early 19th century, the majority of the population of what is now Canada were ‘Canadiens’, as they were then called, which eventually became French Canadians.

    He was addressing the “Americanness” of English Canadians. That’s never been an issue with les habitants.

    Don’t get the man started on Québec. Some of his videos are explicitly, and comically, Francophobe. It’s all in good fun.

  154. @Marquis
    @Steve Sailer

    The Filipinos have a sophisticated international school system at the upper echelons similar to what you might find in Taiwan or Korea. They also have the traditional American merocratic practice of reaching down and taking talented kids from the slums or rural areas and raising them up into this international school system. (Maybe a vestige of catholocism?) I remember one such instructor telling me of his prized pupil who walked several miles to the bus depot then rode the bus an hr every day to get to said school. He was on a full ride but there was no dormitory or anything.

    If the population is small enough that could account for some of it.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Joe Paluka

    I hear Filipinos complaining that their educational system is being tainted by the same poison that’s infiltrated the US Educational system. Private schools might be still teaching in the traditional manner, but the mainstream educational system is getting bad with a lot of influence from the US. They need to break all ties with the US if their country is to ever get out of poverty.

  155. @Jack777
    The Canadian-born black average seems truly awful. I thought Canada was supposed to practice selective immigration. These figures are, however, not easy to interpret in isolation. For the non-white immigrant groups, there's "born in Canada" data only for NE Asians and blacks, and while NE Asians seem to do better when born in Canada, blacks do a bit worse.

    The difference between the 1st and 2nd immigrant generations is a function of at least three factors: acculturation (mainly, learning the language), regression to the (genotypic) mean, and differences in the composition of different immigrant waves (e.g. earlier black immigrants may have been more disproportionately Caribbean than later immigrants). It's not easy to parse these factors.

    Replies: @MM, @Some Guy, @beavertales, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666, @Joe Paluka

    Yes, Canada, USA, and Europe practice selective immigration alright, they pick the most stupid and violent bipeds and let them immigrate.

    • Agree: Gordo
  156. @Gordo
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Yeah, but NE Asian top scores like Hong Kong and Canada are evidently the product of drill (or perhaps something more nefarious).
     
    Yes I know what you mean.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka

    When white mothers are obsessed with putting their kids through all the right sports, Chinese mothers are doing everything to make their kids smart. If white kids get to post secondary education, all they care about is getting into the “right” fraternities that have the best parties. Chinese students want to get into courses that will get them the highest paying jobs. In the end, who’s going to be working for who?

  157. anon[283] • Disclaimer says:
    @epebble
    @anon

    Canada is much more selective than U.S. They have a points system. A greater share of their immigrants are Economic (skills based) than family reunification. In U.S. more than two thirds are family reunification.

    For 2019,

    Economic immigrants = 196,658

    Family class = 91,311

    Humanitarian = 4,681

    Refugees 30,087

    Asylum: 18,443

    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada#Immigration_categories

    Replies: @anon

    I don’t have time right now to pore through the numbers. but I’ve always heard that Canada takes in more family reunification immigrants than any other category

    I also have to wonder how economic immigrants are defined. Are they wealthy relatives of previous immigrants?

    We certainly don’t get any educated, industrious Elon Musks creating Silicon Valley North. Actually, Musk could have had Canadian citizenship through his mother and he went to the States

    However , we do get a lot of wealthy Third World criminals or quasi-criminals that have thrown Vancouver and Toronto’s real estate out of whack . Vancouver is more expensive than all cities in North America other than San Francisco and San Jose with the economy the size of Portland

    We also get a lot of refugees who contribute nothing to the economy but commit a lot of crime and use a lot of social resources

    • Replies: @epebble
    @anon

    Canada has a fairly sophisticated system for allowing Economic immigrants; much better than U.S.


    IRCC uses seven sub-categories of economic immigrants, including skilled workers, under the following classes:

    Quebec skilled worker;
    Federal skilled trades;
    Federal skilled worker;
    Provincial nominee class; and
    Canadian experience class:

    The process is done by submitting an online profile to the Express Entry pool, under one of three federal Canada immigration programs or a provincial immigration program. The highest ranked candidates are then invited to apply for permanent residence.

    The business immigration programs that offer permanent admission to Canada include:

    Quebec Immigrant Investor Program (QIIP)
    Quebec Entrepreneur Program;
    Quebec Self Employed;
    Federal Start-Up Visa program.

    Individuals with a certain net worth can also apply for permanent residence via certain programs.

    For business owners and investor immigrants who do not fit into the Start-Up business class or Quebec Provincial programs, there is a Federal Owner Operator LMIA pathway that if executed correctly can lead to permanent admission to Canada.

    The high-profile Skilled worker principal applicants group comprised 19.8% of all immigration in 2005. Canada has also created a VIP Business Immigration Program which allows immigrants with sufficient business experience or management experience to receive the Permanent Residency in a shorter period than other types of immigration.

    As of May 1, 2014, the Federal Skilled Worker Class opened once again accepting 25,000 applicants with intake caps at 1,000 per category. A New Economic Action Plan 2015 took effect in January 2015 in which the skilled worker program will be more of an employer based program. The current list of accepted occupations for 2014 includes many occupations such as senior managers, accountants, physicians and medical professionals, professionals in marketing and advertising, real estate professionals and many more.

    A candidate's eligibility for Federal Skilled Worker category is assessed based on six selection factor points and scored on a scale of 100. The current pass mark is 67 points.

    Six Selection Factor Points:

    Language skills points
    Education points
    Work experience points
    Age points
    Arranged employment in Canada points
    Adaptability points

    The changes in 2015 moved permanent residency in Canada away from the "first come, first served" model, and towards a new structure that took on permanent residents based on Canada's economic need. The system is called "Express Entry". Alberta's Immigrant Nominee Program (AINP), in particular, allows skilled workers, along with their families, to make application for permanent residency, and several large Alberta employers with operations in rural areas actively recruit employees from abroad and support them and their families in seeking permanent residency.

    Canada announced a new immigration quota of 1.2 million for 2021-2023, with targets of 401,000 new permanent residents in year 2021, 411,000 in 2022 and 421,000 in 2023.

    In an effort to meet the 2021 target, on April 14, 2021 Canada created a new immigration pathway to permanent residency for essential workers and international graduates already in Canada. Temporary workers with at least one year of Canadian work experience in a health-care profession or another pre-approved essential occupation, and international students who graduated from a Canadian institution in 2017 or later are eligible. The maximum numbers of immigrants under this program are 20,000 temporary workers in health care, 30,000 temporary workers in other selected essential occupations, and 40,000 international students.

    Replies: @anon

  158. @Rob
    Interestingly, both Canadian and whites and Canadian blacks outperform American ones, respectively. Do the whites do better because they don’t have as many Scots Irish? As many descendants of involuntary colonists?

    Someone up-thread said Canadians tended to be farmers who came on land grants. That is interesting. Much like industrialization opened niches for people less intelligent than average as factory workers, farming opened up spots for less intelligent people as field-hands. In the case of field-hands, the population likely kept getting smarter because field-hands, having much higher incomes during some months than others, were selected for foresight. Not to mention, field-hands were likely at below-replacement fertility, and part of the population was replaced every generation with excess reproduction from landed farmers. In places with primogeniture, field-hands might not have been much dumber than farmers.

    But if the Canadian population was descended from people smart enough to plan and do the paperwork for a land grant, that truncates the rural population at a fairly high level.

    America (the US) got a lot of peasant farmers who become urban proletariat once they arrived. If you want to know how smart Polish peasants aren’t, just ask a Russian Jew! If Canada industrialized later, they must have “missed” this immigration stream. Farmer or not, England has been a nation of shopkeepers for a long time.

    Speaking of Jews, did Canada have very many? By stereotype, I don’t think they did. The middleman niche was open and likely filled by British shopkeepers. On a national level, European countries that produced an endogenous petit bourgeoisie did much better than those that relied upon Jews. This is a universal experience of European countries. It is one of the non-barking dogs of European (and American) sociology and economic history. Seriously, it is so universal that American exceptionalism as a successful nation that had a lot of jews is interesting.

    I saw an interesting explanation for why China was doing so well, like why its people are thriving while the West’s lower classes are impoverished and its middle-class to pro-man class are so heavily burdened by and sterilized by debt. Why China rises but the West is being, indeed, in the under-eighteen set, has been, replaced by lower races. China has no Jews. This observation came from Andrew Anglin, whose [bad thing] is caused by Jews and [good thing] is caused by the absence of Jews explanatory style is guaranteed. But, if I were a currently comfortable Western Jew, the accuracy of this observation might discourage me from inflicting further race replacement on the west.

    There’s also the matter of dysgenic reproduction. If Canada had both more rural and lacked an underclass, to begin with, then it is nearly certain that dysgenic reproduction hit later and not nearly as hard as in its southern neighbor.

    I wonder what America’s white population would look like absent the Scots Irish and Eastern European (and Italian) peasantry. Would 106 mean IQ be surprising?

    The near-90 IQ for blacks is almost certainly due to selective immigration, but it is very easy to forget that -1.1σ is the fundamental constant of sociology The black population of Canada is closer to half an sd up from America’s. I wonder how white their blacks are. Likely less than ours, what with all the Caribbeans there. On the other hand, their biggest Reggae export speaks for himself:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSffz_bl6zo
    Canadian natives seem dimmer than ours. Perhaps because we intuitively measure minorities by blacks. Perhaps our natives are whiter (thanks, Scots Irish!) perhaps they had a larger population size?

    IQ numbers from the great white both sure are interesting.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Reg Cæsar

    Do the whites do better because they don’t have as many Scots Irish?

    Scots-Irish are not stupid, just wild. We look at them like Emma Lazarus (of Sephardic descent) saw Eastern European Ashkenazim– they may have plenty of native talent, but boy do they ever need to be cleaned up and civilized. A bit of an embarrassment.

    Charles Murray identifies as Scots-Irish.

    Canada, though, has a very high percentage of straight-ahead Scots, whose ancestors skipped Ulster altogether and came directly to North America. Their names are all over the map and the money. “Our” basketball (Naismith) and football (McGill coming to Harvard) we owe to Canadian Scots.

    Oh, and there’s a reason they spell it whisky, while we usually don’t.

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/whisky-or-whiskey-whats-difference

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not saying that they are, but then what's the explanation for the Appalachians (or whatever the wider rural region there is called)? Why are they so uniquely dysfunctional among European descended communities in North America, and still at the top or close when looking at Europeans worldwide? I'm sure this has been discussed a lot here before, but as a non-American I guess I just forgot what likely explanations have been agreed upon, if any.

  159. @Pincher Martin
    @Anonymous


    Was it wise to import a large class of aliens with far higher IQs than your own?

    What is the future for Canadian Whites—especially their men, who need high pay, high status jobs to attract a mate?

    They all seem destined to either become an underclass or be bred out as the females pair up with higher status, more powerful aliens.
     

    Do most Northeastern Asian males strike you as fecund and, as a group, prone to marrying white females?

    Whatever affliction causes white European males to not breed seems to hit Northeast Asian males with at least equal vigor.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Good point. Whites are not dying out because whites can’t find mates. White males can easily attract Asian and Latina wives. But this increased inter-racial mating will result in far fewer Whites. I suppose many of them will identify as white , but over half will not due to the flight from white.

  160. The test were apparently administered to sub-performing Blacks prior to the removal of statues honoring white slave owners.

  161. @Bardon Kaldian
    By the way, for COVID alternative treatment fans, old news:

    https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/why-hcq-ivermectin-dropped-india-covid-treatment-protocol-1857306-2021-09-26

    Why HCQ and Ivermectin were removed from India’s Covid-19 treatment protocol

    Ivermectin and HCQ were dropped from the clinical guidance after studies found that these drugs have little to no effect on Covid-related mortality or clinical recovery of the patient.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

    Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug

    Replies: @gda53, @artichoke

    A major flaw in the pro-ivermectin studies is considered to be that local health bodies didn’t know the trial was going on. Two different lists of flaws appear in the article, and this is the last on each list. When I learned science, I don’t recall “informing major organizations you’re doing an experiment” was a necessary part of research.

    If the local health body had known, do you think the study would have been allowed to run unimpeded? lolol

  162. @Colin Wright
    @Hypnotoad666

    'Prior to the 20th century 98% of the population in most places were farmers or laborers so they should represent pretty much the whole bell curve of the population’s intelligence spectrum. (And the 2% of merchants and elites were not necessarily the highest 2% of IQ either.)'

    Still, the emigrants would presumably have been the more impoverished peasants. The Nakajimas, who have always managed to hold on to their twenty acres, aren't going anywhere.

    Your point about self-selection I agree with entirely -- but it would be hard to quantify.

    It's interesting. Were the several millions of Poles who emigrated here, for example, Poland's losers, or Poland's go-getters? The least probable case is that they were a perfectly random cross-section of the population.

    Replies: @artichoke

    They were people who were able to afford steerage on a boat crossing the Atlantic. That leaves out the lower class. It includes the uncouth but clever and ambitious who keep getting thwarted at home.

    Now plenty of “human rights” organizations exist to make sure we don’t have the protection of that filter. With legal immigration stalled, these NGO’s essentially decide who gets to enter the USA. And we don’t stop them. We even fund them.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @artichoke

    'They were people who were able to afford steerage on a boat crossing the Atlantic. That leaves out the lower class. It includes the uncouth but clever and ambitious who keep getting thwarted at home.

    Now plenty of “human rights” organizations exist to make sure we don’t have the protection of that filter. With legal immigration stalled, these NGO’s essentially decide who gets to enter the USA. And we don’t stop them. We even fund them...'

    Back then, we also felt entirely free to exclude anyone who displeased us; no ship with immigrants could dock unless it agreed to take back anyone we rejected.

  163. @SafeNow
    Jared Taylor, in a recent podcast, said: There are 13,800 school districts in the US, and in every single one of them, the average order of group achievement is Asian, white, Hispanic, Black. I thought this was telling; that there was not a single school district that had invented a successful method of tutoring or whatever that changed the order. I wonder if the Magical Method likewise remains elusive in Canada.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @martin_2, @Anonymous, @Carroll price

    The Magical Method that has. until now alluded mankind, is the removal of all offensive statues and symbols honoring white slave owners. Just you wait and see.

  164. @Bardon Kaldian
    The World according to Han...

    https://www.npr.org/2021/09/06/1024804523/forget-tiger-moms-now-chinas-chicken-blood-parents-are-pushing-kids-to-succeed

    Forget Tiger Moms. Now China's 'Chicken Blood' Parents Are Pushing Kids To Succeed

    BEIJING — They schedule their children's days in 15-minute increments. They scour online forums and swap tips on the most exclusive tutors and best sports coaches. Some even buy second homes next to the best public schools.

    Forget tiger moms. These are China's jiwa, or "chicken" parents, who are known for their attentive — some say obsessive — parenting style. The term is used to describe aggressive helicopter parenting and comes from an unproven Chinese-medicine treatment dating back to the 1950s in which a person is injected with fresh chicken blood to stimulate energy.

    Jiwa parenting culture, a relatively new phenomenon, is now in the crosshairs of Chinese authorities. At a time when the government wants to see families having more children and raising more future workers, it fears that hypercompetitive parenting pressures — combined with the meteoric growth of China's private education sector, now worth billions of dollars — are deepening inequality and discouraging couples from having larger families, a priority of the country's new three-child policy.

    As more parents complain about the burnout brought on by jiwa culture, there's concern that the financial and emotional toll is making many reluctant to have a second, much less a third, child.
    ...................

    And, then ....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWl7njLlXLU

    Replies: @Thomasina

    Let’s hope they DON’T have a second, much less a third child. Aren’t there already over a BILLION Chinese?

    “Until the time of Napoleon, there were less than 1 billion people on Earth at any one time. Since the Second World War, we have been adding a billion people to the global population every 12-15 years. Our population is more than double today what it was in 1970.”

    I’ve seen firsthand how the Chinese are with their kids. That’s why their test scores are higher.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Thomasina


    Aren’t there already over a BILLION Chinese?
     
    1.4 to 1.5 B.
  165. @stillCARealist
    @Anonymous Jew

    I just spent the day at a rehab facility for the ancient... there was a fall and a fractured hip in the family... and nearly all the people working there were Filipino, male and female. Bigoted me, I see dark skin and think "Mexican". No, they were all wearing masks so I couldn't see the obviously Asian-like features very well. Their language was utterly foreign (I do recognize Spanish) so I assume it was Tagalog.

    Just a guess that these people (90% female) weren't the Asian grind stereotypes. Would you go to extra test prep classes just to wind up helping 90 year olds go potty? But I'm really glad they're capable and willing to do these jobs. This was one of the most expensive towns in CA and somehow all these people are there to do the necessary, low-status work of the circle of life.

    I want less immigration too, but I sure hope that we'd be able to find people like those Filipinos without it. I'm not so sure...

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I want less immigration too, but I sure hope that we’d be able to find people like those Filipinos without it. I’m not so sure…

    Without Filipinas, you’ll get blacks who take care of the elderly and the infirm…

  166. @anon
    @epebble

    I don't have time right now to pore through the numbers. but I've always heard that Canada takes in more family reunification immigrants than any other category

    I also have to wonder how economic immigrants are defined. Are they wealthy relatives of previous immigrants?

    We certainly don't get any educated, industrious Elon Musks creating Silicon Valley North. Actually, Musk could have had Canadian citizenship through his mother and he went to the States

    However , we do get a lot of wealthy Third World criminals or quasi-criminals that have thrown Vancouver and Toronto's real estate out of whack . Vancouver is more expensive than all cities in North America other than San Francisco and San Jose with the economy the size of Portland


    We also get a lot of refugees who contribute nothing to the economy but commit a lot of crime and use a lot of social resources

    Replies: @epebble

    Canada has a fairly sophisticated system for allowing Economic immigrants; much better than U.S.

    [MORE]

    IRCC uses seven sub-categories of economic immigrants, including skilled workers, under the following classes:

    Quebec skilled worker;
    Federal skilled trades;
    Federal skilled worker;
    Provincial nominee class; and
    Canadian experience class:

    The process is done by submitting an online profile to the Express Entry pool, under one of three federal Canada immigration programs or a provincial immigration program. The highest ranked candidates are then invited to apply for permanent residence.

    The business immigration programs that offer permanent admission to Canada include:

    Quebec Immigrant Investor Program (QIIP)
    Quebec Entrepreneur Program;
    Quebec Self Employed;
    Federal Start-Up Visa program.

    Individuals with a certain net worth can also apply for permanent residence via certain programs.

    For business owners and investor immigrants who do not fit into the Start-Up business class or Quebec Provincial programs, there is a Federal Owner Operator LMIA pathway that if executed correctly can lead to permanent admission to Canada.

    The high-profile Skilled worker principal applicants group comprised 19.8% of all immigration in 2005. Canada has also created a VIP Business Immigration Program which allows immigrants with sufficient business experience or management experience to receive the Permanent Residency in a shorter period than other types of immigration.

    As of May 1, 2014, the Federal Skilled Worker Class opened once again accepting 25,000 applicants with intake caps at 1,000 per category. A New Economic Action Plan 2015 took effect in January 2015 in which the skilled worker program will be more of an employer based program. The current list of accepted occupations for 2014 includes many occupations such as senior managers, accountants, physicians and medical professionals, professionals in marketing and advertising, real estate professionals and many more.

    A candidate’s eligibility for Federal Skilled Worker category is assessed based on six selection factor points and scored on a scale of 100. The current pass mark is 67 points.

    Six Selection Factor Points:

    Language skills points
    Education points
    Work experience points
    Age points
    Arranged employment in Canada points
    Adaptability points

    The changes in 2015 moved permanent residency in Canada away from the “first come, first served” model, and towards a new structure that took on permanent residents based on Canada’s economic need. The system is called “Express Entry”. Alberta’s Immigrant Nominee Program (AINP), in particular, allows skilled workers, along with their families, to make application for permanent residency, and several large Alberta employers with operations in rural areas actively recruit employees from abroad and support them and their families in seeking permanent residency.

    Canada announced a new immigration quota of 1.2 million for 2021-2023, with targets of 401,000 new permanent residents in year 2021, 411,000 in 2022 and 421,000 in 2023.

    In an effort to meet the 2021 target, on April 14, 2021 Canada created a new immigration pathway to permanent residency for essential workers and international graduates already in Canada. Temporary workers with at least one year of Canadian work experience in a health-care profession or another pre-approved essential occupation, and international students who graduated from a Canadian institution in 2017 or later are eligible. The maximum numbers of immigrants under this program are 20,000 temporary workers in health care, 30,000 temporary workers in other selected essential occupations, and 40,000 international students.

    • Replies: @anon
    @epebble

    That's a lotta bureaucratic info, but I don't really see this mass of skilled immigrants around

    Just a few years ago there was a newspaper article about the influx of Moroccan chefs getting visas that would lead to citizenship because of their French cooking skills. Like there are no French chefs in Quebec

    Many coffee shops , including Tim Hortons, import workers on some kind of visa

    There doesn't seem any uptick in Canada's economy because of the influx of these skilled immigrants

    The most likely reason for importing a HUGE amount of immigrants is the Liberal Party wants new
    voters

    Replies: @epebble

  167. @Thomasina
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Let's hope they DON'T have a second, much less a third child. Aren't there already over a BILLION Chinese?

    "Until the time of Napoleon, there were less than 1 billion people on Earth at any one time. Since the Second World War, we have been adding a billion people to the global population every 12-15 years. Our population is more than double today what it was in 1970."

    I've seen firsthand how the Chinese are with their kids. That's why their test scores are higher.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Aren’t there already over a BILLION Chinese?

    1.4 to 1.5 B.

  168. Fun facts for Canada cranks fans– the places in each pair are roughly the same distance from Vancouver:

    Tijuana/Lake of the Woods (Manitoba shore)

    Lake Charles, La./Toronto

    Honolulu/Cancún/Halifax

    Havana/Glace Bay, N.S.

    Uelen, Russia/Barrie, Ont.

    San Salvador/Saint John’s, Nfld.

  169. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob


    Do the whites do better because they don’t have as many Scots Irish?
     
    Scots-Irish are not stupid, just wild. We look at them like Emma Lazarus (of Sephardic descent) saw Eastern European Ashkenazim-- they may have plenty of native talent, but boy do they ever need to be cleaned up and civilized. A bit of an embarrassment.

    Charles Murray identifies as Scots-Irish.

    Canada, though, has a very high percentage of straight-ahead Scots, whose ancestors skipped Ulster altogether and came directly to North America. Their names are all over the map and the money. "Our" basketball (Naismith) and football (McGill coming to Harvard) we owe to Canadian Scots.

    Oh, and there's a reason they spell it whisky, while we usually don't.

    https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/whisky-or-whiskey-whats-difference

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Not saying that they are, but then what’s the explanation for the Appalachians (or whatever the wider rural region there is called)? Why are they so uniquely dysfunctional among European descended communities in North America, and still at the top or close when looking at Europeans worldwide? I’m sure this has been discussed a lot here before, but as a non-American I guess I just forgot what likely explanations have been agreed upon, if any.

  170. @artichoke
    @Colin Wright

    They were people who were able to afford steerage on a boat crossing the Atlantic. That leaves out the lower class. It includes the uncouth but clever and ambitious who keep getting thwarted at home.

    Now plenty of "human rights" organizations exist to make sure we don't have the protection of that filter. With legal immigration stalled, these NGO's essentially decide who gets to enter the USA. And we don't stop them. We even fund them.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘They were people who were able to afford steerage on a boat crossing the Atlantic. That leaves out the lower class. It includes the uncouth but clever and ambitious who keep getting thwarted at home.

    Now plenty of “human rights” organizations exist to make sure we don’t have the protection of that filter. With legal immigration stalled, these NGO’s essentially decide who gets to enter the USA. And we don’t stop them. We even fund them…’

    Back then, we also felt entirely free to exclude anyone who displeased us; no ship with immigrants could dock unless it agreed to take back anyone we rejected.

  171. @Anonymous
    @Rob


    Do the whites do better because they don’t have as many Scots Irish?
     
    What’s wrong with Scots Irish?

    Replies: @Rob

    Nothing is wrong with the Scots Irish. I’m part myself. They/we were not as subject to the genes of successful farmers and merchants displacing those of people less capable of success in navigating (then or now) modernity that Gregory Clark documents in The Son Also Rises. Here is a link. The Son Also Rises

    The Scots Irish are one of the founding British ethnicities in America. Here is a Slate Star Codex Review of Albion’s Seed so you can reaf the review instead of buying the book.

  172. @nebulafox
    @ginger bread man

    The Philippines is a multiethnic place, with Tagalog being a constructed lingua France much like Bahasa Indonesia does I'm Indonesia. But racially speaking, they are basically Malay. Bahasa native speakers in Malaysia and Indonesia can pick out cognates in Tagalog and vice versa. And once you get past the gaping religious difference (Catholicism vs Islam, although it should be noted that both the PI and Indonesia have religious minorities) and the Westernization of the Filipinos, the culture underneath is really quite similar, both the good and the bad.

    Re, the Chinese, although I'm skeptical it's that high, since the Philippines isn't Muslim, intermarriage and assimilation was a lot easier. Thailand and Vietnam, too, had bourgeois Chinese communities that blended in over time, though the war and the Communist aftermath decimated the latter.

    Replies: @ginger bread man

    You’re right, the Philippines is a multi ethnic society. However you are incorrect that there is no Muslim presence in the Philippines.

    The Philippines is divided between three main regions Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao. Mindanao is a majority Muslim region and comprises ~20% of the total Filipino population.

    One of the first extremist Muslim terrorist groups in the world was MILF or the Mindanao Islamic Liberation Front.

    But, in the big cities, there are Chinese population centers and around 2% of Filipino Citizens are completely Chinese with no local admixture. A greater number of around ~20% are Chinese mixed with Malay.

    The Chinese Filipinos are mostly Christian with a few Buddhist customs (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Filipino). They integrated very well and around 90% of the Filipino economy is in Chinese-Filipino hands.

  173. anon[497] • Disclaimer says:
    @epebble
    @anon

    Canada has a fairly sophisticated system for allowing Economic immigrants; much better than U.S.


    IRCC uses seven sub-categories of economic immigrants, including skilled workers, under the following classes:

    Quebec skilled worker;
    Federal skilled trades;
    Federal skilled worker;
    Provincial nominee class; and
    Canadian experience class:

    The process is done by submitting an online profile to the Express Entry pool, under one of three federal Canada immigration programs or a provincial immigration program. The highest ranked candidates are then invited to apply for permanent residence.

    The business immigration programs that offer permanent admission to Canada include:

    Quebec Immigrant Investor Program (QIIP)
    Quebec Entrepreneur Program;
    Quebec Self Employed;
    Federal Start-Up Visa program.

    Individuals with a certain net worth can also apply for permanent residence via certain programs.

    For business owners and investor immigrants who do not fit into the Start-Up business class or Quebec Provincial programs, there is a Federal Owner Operator LMIA pathway that if executed correctly can lead to permanent admission to Canada.

    The high-profile Skilled worker principal applicants group comprised 19.8% of all immigration in 2005. Canada has also created a VIP Business Immigration Program which allows immigrants with sufficient business experience or management experience to receive the Permanent Residency in a shorter period than other types of immigration.

    As of May 1, 2014, the Federal Skilled Worker Class opened once again accepting 25,000 applicants with intake caps at 1,000 per category. A New Economic Action Plan 2015 took effect in January 2015 in which the skilled worker program will be more of an employer based program. The current list of accepted occupations for 2014 includes many occupations such as senior managers, accountants, physicians and medical professionals, professionals in marketing and advertising, real estate professionals and many more.

    A candidate's eligibility for Federal Skilled Worker category is assessed based on six selection factor points and scored on a scale of 100. The current pass mark is 67 points.

    Six Selection Factor Points:

    Language skills points
    Education points
    Work experience points
    Age points
    Arranged employment in Canada points
    Adaptability points

    The changes in 2015 moved permanent residency in Canada away from the "first come, first served" model, and towards a new structure that took on permanent residents based on Canada's economic need. The system is called "Express Entry". Alberta's Immigrant Nominee Program (AINP), in particular, allows skilled workers, along with their families, to make application for permanent residency, and several large Alberta employers with operations in rural areas actively recruit employees from abroad and support them and their families in seeking permanent residency.

    Canada announced a new immigration quota of 1.2 million for 2021-2023, with targets of 401,000 new permanent residents in year 2021, 411,000 in 2022 and 421,000 in 2023.

    In an effort to meet the 2021 target, on April 14, 2021 Canada created a new immigration pathway to permanent residency for essential workers and international graduates already in Canada. Temporary workers with at least one year of Canadian work experience in a health-care profession or another pre-approved essential occupation, and international students who graduated from a Canadian institution in 2017 or later are eligible. The maximum numbers of immigrants under this program are 20,000 temporary workers in health care, 30,000 temporary workers in other selected essential occupations, and 40,000 international students.

    Replies: @anon

    That’s a lotta bureaucratic info, but I don’t really see this mass of skilled immigrants around

    Just a few years ago there was a newspaper article about the influx of Moroccan chefs getting visas that would lead to citizenship because of their French cooking skills. Like there are no French chefs in Quebec

    Many coffee shops , including Tim Hortons, import workers on some kind of visa

    There doesn’t seem any uptick in Canada’s economy because of the influx of these skilled immigrants

    The most likely reason for importing a HUGE amount of immigrants is the Liberal Party wants new
    voters

    • Replies: @epebble
    @anon

    You may be right. But, the Canadian system is head and shoulders above U.S. system which is mostly a family unification plan with a small fraction left for skilled immigrants.

    Look at this hodge-podge, compared to which Canada's plan looks like a masterpiece:

    According to the 2016 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics, the United States admitted a total of 1.18 million legal immigrants (618k new arrivals, 565k status adjustments) in 2016.

    Of these,

    48% were the immediate relatives of United States citizens,
    20% were family-sponsored,
    13% were refugees or asylum seekers,
    12% were employment-based preferences,
    4.2% were part of the Diversity Immigrant Visa program,
    1.4% were victims of a crime (U1) or their family members were (U2 to U5), and
    1.0% who were granted the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) for Iraqis and Afghans employed by the United States Government. The remaining
    0.4% included small numbers from several other categories, including 0.2% who were granted suspension of deportation as an immediate relative of a citizen (Z13); persons admitted under the Nicaraguan and Central American Relief Act; children born after the issuance of a parent's visa; and certain parolees from the former Soviet Union, Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam who were denied refugee status.

  174. @anon
    @epebble

    That's a lotta bureaucratic info, but I don't really see this mass of skilled immigrants around

    Just a few years ago there was a newspaper article about the influx of Moroccan chefs getting visas that would lead to citizenship because of their French cooking skills. Like there are no French chefs in Quebec

    Many coffee shops , including Tim Hortons, import workers on some kind of visa

    There doesn't seem any uptick in Canada's economy because of the influx of these skilled immigrants

    The most likely reason for importing a HUGE amount of immigrants is the Liberal Party wants new
    voters

    Replies: @epebble

    You may be right. But, the Canadian system is head and shoulders above U.S. system which is mostly a family unification plan with a small fraction left for skilled immigrants.

    Look at this hodge-podge, compared to which Canada’s plan looks like a masterpiece:

    [MORE]

    According to the 2016 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics, the United States admitted a total of 1.18 million legal immigrants (618k new arrivals, 565k status adjustments) in 2016.

    Of these,

    48% were the immediate relatives of United States citizens,
    20% were family-sponsored,
    13% were refugees or asylum seekers,
    12% were employment-based preferences,
    4.2% were part of the Diversity Immigrant Visa program,
    1.4% were victims of a crime (U1) or their family members were (U2 to U5), and
    1.0% who were granted the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) for Iraqis and Afghans employed by the United States Government. The remaining
    0.4% included small numbers from several other categories, including 0.2% who were granted suspension of deportation as an immediate relative of a citizen (Z13); persons admitted under the Nicaraguan and Central American Relief Act; children born after the issuance of a parent’s visa; and certain parolees from the former Soviet Union, Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam who were denied refugee status.

  175. At least the States got Elon Musk

    And both the US and Canada would both be better off adopting Japan’s immigration policy, or Hungary’s . Canada was much more prosperous and livable before mass immigration

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