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  1. For people who’ve actually spent time there, to what extent is Mexico actually a failed post-apocalyptic hellscape?

    • Replies: @uhbygv
    Mexico, once you get away from the northern border, is super-nice. I've traveled there on pleasure and business countless times, spending a total of a year or so there.

    Once, returning to the U.S. through Texas after four months in Zacatecas, Zac., I found myself thinking, "Good Lord, what a shithole Texas is."

    I'm not trying to provoke the good readers here, but that was my gut-level reaction to the contrast.
    , @Dumbo
    I don't think it is, at least outside of the cartel-heavy areas. Fred Reed and many other retired gringos live there and seem to be fine.
    , @Regret
    The further you get from the us mexico border the nicer it is. Works heading north or south.
    , @Neil Templeton
    Mexicans, in general, and in my estimation, are wonderful people. They have a beautiful nation and an interesting culture. But their culture is not mine and will never be, it is foreign to me. My daughters may embrace it, so be it. But it will never be mine.
  2. The image links to the tweet mentioned in your other post.

  3. No matter how much Mexico is torn to shreds the conquistadors can always reunite the country based on eternal war against Blue-Eyed Anglo Devils. “Remember El Draque!”

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    We are in the middle of the 500th anniversary of Cortez’s conquest of the Aztecs. June 30 is the 500th anniversary of la noche triste.
  4. Is part of Mexico under the church of Sodom?

    • Replies: @Haole
    Mexico City
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Is part of Mexico under the church of Sodom?
     
    One of the leaders of their revolution had nephews named Satan and Lucifer (in Spanish, of course.) Nice people!
    , @syonredux

    Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Mexico have expanded in recent years, in keeping with worldwide legal trends. The intellectual influence of the French Revolution and the brief French occupation of Mexico (1862–67) resulted in the adoption of the Napoleonic Code, which decriminalized same-sex sexual acts in 1871
     

    On 3 June 2015, the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation released a "jurisprudential thesis" in which the legal definition of marriage was changed to encompass same-sex couples. Laws restricting marriage to a man and a woman were deemed unconstitutional by the court and thus every justice provider in the nation must validate same-sex unions.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Mexico

    Mexico's LGBT rights are stronger than the US's. Here's why

     


    Mexico abolished most discriminatory legal distinctions based on sexual orientation long before the United States. Mexico decriminalised sodomy in 1871, more than 100 years before the US Supreme Court overturned anti-sodomy laws in 2003.
     

    The United States has no national antidiscrimination laws to protect LGBT people. In 2003 the Mexican Chamber of Deputies unanimously passed a national anti-discrimination law that included sexual orientation as a protected category, established a new agency to enforce the antidiscrimination law, and developed a national anti-homophobia campaign. Moreover, the first article of the Mexican Constitution prohibits discrimination based on “sexual preferences”. There is no explicit constitutional protection for sexual orientation in the United States.

     

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/religion-the-state-and-the-states-explain-why-mexico-has-stronger-lgbt-rights-than-the-us
    , @Fredrik
    Yes, and it looks like it's the same people that want cheese with their quesadillas.
  5. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/05/12/princeton-graduation-2020-schools-first-black-valedictorian/3116055001/

    Valedictorian of Princeton is black. Interesting. Also, not a bs “studies” guy, but a STEM. He is going to work at DE Shaw which is a very prestigious mathematics job but also completely worthless to most people.

    Of course, this fellow had to talk about the legacy of slavery which clearly has made it impossible for blacks to do complex math, but whaddya whaddya?

    How do they determine Valedictorian? Seems like it’s open to a lot of subjective nonsense.

    • Replies: @res
    He at least seems like someone worthy of being honored.

    How do they determine Valedictorian? Seems like it’s open to a lot of subjective nonsense.
     
    I did a Google search and was presented with this page and excerpt.
    https://www.app.com/story/news/education/2020/05/12/princeton-first-black-valedictorian/3114592001/
    "The valedictorian and the Latin salutatorian are awarded by vote of the faculty to two of the highest-ranking members of the graduating class"

    But when I went to that page nothing like that excerpt was to be found. And the page is not available in the Wayback Machine to check older versions of the article.

    So I looked harder and found this.

    https://ua.princeton.edu/contents/academic-regulations/graduation-and-honors

    Commencement Speakers
    The Valedictory and the Latin Salutatory are awarded by vote of the faculty to two of the highest-ranking members of the graduating class. The special qualifications of a student as valedictorian or salutatorian are taken into account as well as scholastic standing.
     
    Pretty much what I (and I suspect, you) expected.

    Here is an article about grade inflation at Princeton.
    https://paw.princeton.edu/article/gpas-rise
    , @jimla
    No doubt the guy is smart, but:

    «The valedictorian and the Latin salutatorian are awarded by vote of the faculty to two of the highest-ranking members of the graduating class, according to the Princeton University website. The "special qualifications of a student as valedictorian or salutatorian are taken into account as well as scholastic standing," the website said.»

    He probably was no way the smartest but, still the most impressive, being Black, which would be true.
    , @Old Prude
    What do you mean by DE Shaw “is completely worthless to most people”? That they only make money by gaming the markets?
    , @Peter D. Bredon
    STEM not "bs studies", yet being valedictorian is "open to a lot of subjective nonsense".

    Man, you IQ fetishists are hard to please.

    I'm guessing what you think is "subjective nonsense" is what the rest of us think separates us (real humans) from computers and IQ fetishists.

    You're welcome.
    , @notsaying
    You didn't mention that he's Canadian. I wonder how many of the 9% of black students at Princeton are foreign students or connected with recent immigration. His talk of presumably American slavery when he's from Canada is bizarre. If his ancestors were slaves in the Caribbean it was his responsibility to mention that. It's dishonest not to make all this clear.

    I want to see American blacks from American black slave families benefit from affirmative action. I am sick of the elites talking up "diversity" that's based on foreigners and recent immigration. I want diversity based on long term American families that also includes whites from working class and poor whites.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    The people who read the press-release will assume that "valedictorian" denotes something objective, like the person with the highest GPA. But, of course, it turns out it's really a PR event based on who will bring the most positive publicity to the school. It's sort of like how Obama got to be Editor of the Harvard Law Review, or how he won the Nobel Prize.

    Truth in Advertising would label these achievements as what they are: a prize for being "really really smart for a Black guy."

    By the way, the Canadian Black guy's Jamaican mother (who is a doctor) is really proud of how he overcame American Slavery.

    https://www.stabroeknews.com/2020/05/12/news/regional/jamaica/jamaican-mom-proud-of-history-making-black-valedictorian-at-princeton-university/
  6. • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    I would love to know the story behind that truck.

    Sometimes Mexico is awesome.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHxGYAXHbvg
    , @Haruto Rat
    Totally OT but just in case the original isn't depressing enough - here's a throat singing cover:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F548r32GdT0
    , @Mike Zwick
    That truck reminded me of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6vqPUM_FE
  7. This is very interesting, as I am finishing up the Conquest of New Spain by that Castillo guy. And re-reading 1491. Can anyone recommend other histories of the area, with maps?

    By God I would like to travel to So Mex if if weren’t so scary. And I don’t travel much anymore

    • Replies: @PSR
    This might not be exactly what you're looking for but it is an amazing story.

    We Came Naked and Barefoot: The Journey of Cabeza de Vaca across North America - Alex Krieger

    "Perhaps no one has ever been such a survivor as álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca. Member of a 600-man expedition sent out from Spain to colonize "La Florida" in 1527, he survived a failed exploration of the west coast of Florida, an open-boat crossing of the Gulf of Mexico, shipwreck on the Texas coast, six years of captivity among native peoples, and an arduous, overland journey in which he and the three other remaining survivors of the original expedition walked some 1,500 miles from the central Texas coast to the Gulf of California, then another 1,300 miles to Mexico City."
    , @Cortes
    Perhaps try

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/901365.History_of_the_Conquest_of_Mexico

    by Prescott.

    The memoir of Cabeza de Vaca’s experiences as slave of various Indian groups and transformation into a sort of shaman and journey through what’s now the SE Gulf States and down, eventually, to Mexico City is also available in English I think. It’s fascinating.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    Hugh Thomas' Conquest is the best update on Prescott. Well written and very rigorous as history. Definitely a good read.

    https://www.amazon.com/Conquest-Cortes-Montezuma-Fall-Mexico-ebook/dp/B00AK78QCW/ref=sr_1_1?crid=U2CS0RAQ8ME8&dchild=1&keywords=conquest+hugh+thomas&qid=1589583001&sprefix=Conquest+hugh%2Caps%2C213&sr=8-1
    , @Cortes
    More modern stuff can provide interesting detail.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Martin-Luis-Guzman

    The Eagle and the Serpent has wonderful information about the Revolution in northern Mexico. Some years ago I made the acquaintance of a very effete grandchild of one of the sidekicks of Pancho Villa featuring in Guzman’s book.

    The great Spanish author Valle-Inclán produced maybe the first (and best) parody of the Revolution in “Tirano Banderas” later followed by the Mexican Jorge Ibarguengoitia in “Los relámpagos de agosto” (August Lightning) .

    Graham Greene “The Lawless Roads” and B. Traven (several) have interesting takes on early XX Century Mexico.
    , @Anonymous
    Graham Greene's The Lawless Roads about the Cristero War and its aftermath is still well worth reading.

    https://archive.org/details/GreeneGrahamTheLawlessRoads/page/n4/mode/2up
  8. The good news is that if you layer those maps on top of each other, it will tell you where to go on vacation or not.

    • Thanks: Mr McKenna
  9. @Clifford Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv16ZCgqDCU


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuuObGsB0No

    I would love to know the story behind that truck.

    Sometimes Mexico is awesome.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I like the videos of the fireworks factories and fireworks flea markets going off and those retardates who get burned up when they tap into a Pemex gasoline pipeline while lighting up a Marlboro.
    , @Inquiring Mind
    Um, are those Mexican Army sappers at work?
    , @Joe H
    This reminds me of the running of the bulls in Pamplona Spain or the grabbing of the shotguns in Georgia.
  10. Two in a row…it’s a hard job being an iSteve content provider, but someone has to do it.

  11. @Clifford Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv16ZCgqDCU


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuuObGsB0No

    Totally OT but just in case the original isn’t depressing enough – here’s a throat singing cover:

  12. Once had an ESL class nearly come to blows over a pinch of sugar in the enchiladas. I believe it was Durango vs. Zacatecas.

  13. This thing hasn’t been good for the remittance business, I’d imagine. The good news is they can send some US taxpayer money home, thanks to various blue state traitors.

  14. Explains something I always wondered about. When I lived in Chicago in the early 1980’s many of the Mexicans were from Campeche and the Mexican food was excellent. When I moved to the Bay area, I found the Mexican food was quite mediocre. I found that quite surprising.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    Explains something I always wondered about. When I lived in Chicago in the early 1980’s many of the Mexicans were from Campeche and the Mexican food was excellent. When I moved to the Bay area, I found the Mexican food was quite mediocre. I found that quite surprising.

    My suspicion is that when an ethnic food style becomes more popular and mainstream in the US its quality tends to go down. Consider sushi, a few decades ago something special made by highly trained chefs, today you can get premade stuff in supermarkets.
  15. @Clifford Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv16ZCgqDCU


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuuObGsB0No

    That truck reminded me of this song:

  16. “appart”

    Phoneticks.

  17. No, I will not suggest that the U.S. and Canada do the same. That would be cucky.

  18. Where’s the map with the country divided by relative freedom?
    –Control by drug cartels.
    –Control by Coyotes (people smugglers).
    –Control by corrupt politicians/government.
    –Relatively free.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Relative freedom or freedom from relatives? Your choice?
  19. Love this graph. Reminds me of how much I miss taqueria tacos. And haircuts.

  20. Confused – why does this photo link back to that tweet?

  21. I bet the nicest cities of Mexico (Monterrey?) are better than the worst US ones. Maybe that’s not saying much.

  22. @Larry, San Francisco
    Explains something I always wondered about. When I lived in Chicago in the early 1980's many of the Mexicans were from Campeche and the Mexican food was excellent. When I moved to the Bay area, I found the Mexican food was quite mediocre. I found that quite surprising.

    Explains something I always wondered about. When I lived in Chicago in the early 1980’s many of the Mexicans were from Campeche and the Mexican food was excellent. When I moved to the Bay area, I found the Mexican food was quite mediocre. I found that quite surprising.

    My suspicion is that when an ethnic food style becomes more popular and mainstream in the US its quality tends to go down. Consider sushi, a few decades ago something special made by highly trained chefs, today you can get premade stuff in supermarkets.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Well, I don’t know but I’ve been told
    Gas station sushi is mighty old
    , @Lars Porsena
    Mexican food in Chicago is still awesome. I had some pork tacos with onion, cilantro, lime juice and hot salsa the other day. And horchata.

    If you get americanized versions though, you get it with lettuce, cheese and tomato. Not as good.

    And then there is Taco Bell. TacoBell is not even Mexican food.
    , @S. Anonyia
    Many “Mexican” restaurants around here are run by Venezuelans, Salvadorans, Costa Ricans...with mostly Guatemalan workers....whatever cuisine it is, it’s good and better than Mexican food I’ve had anywhere other than Texas.
    , @S. Anonyia
    Many “Mexican” restaurants around here are run by Venezuelans, Salvadorans, Costa Ricans...with mostly Guatemalan workers....whatever cuisine it is, it’s good and better than Mexican food I’ve had anywhere other than Texas.
  23. I’ve been musing lately about the difference between:
    1) New World Hispanics
    2) Southern Europeans
    3) Eastern Europeans of the Slavic-Turkic type
    4) North Africans and Middle Easterners
    5) Caucasus mountains people (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan)

    These people look the same. If you dress them the same, and give them the same haircuts, until they open their mouths, they’re bloody identical. They even have quite similar average IQ rankings. Sure some are Muslims while others Christians, but still…

    How come the homicide rates of Romanians and Moldovans and Spaniards and Italians are so much lower than those of New World Hispanics?

    I’m starting to think that the difference between Old World “darkie whites” and New World “darkie whites”, is that the Old World ones got a serious genetic culling through the 20th century conflicts, which the New World ones did not have.

    Same way the Stalinist/Maoist decades purged the gang rapists & their village elder power base, that remained in place in say India or Bangladesh…

    Maybe if Mexico or Guatemala had lived through a world war or two and then a stalinism or three, the disfunctional lower tier psychopath populace would have been mostly erased in the process, leaving behind mostly normal folks who can control their impulses and plan long term, and higher functioning psychopaths who are busy with loftier things than beheading bus drivers etc.

    • Replies: @For what it's worth
    Mexico had a number of bloodletting revolutions.
    , @Muggles
    >>Same way the Stalinist/Maoist decades purged the gang rapists & their village elder power base, that remained in place in say India or Bangladesh…

    Maybe if Mexico or Guatemala had lived through a world war or two and then a stalinism or three, the disfunctional lower tier psychopath populace would have been mostly erased in the process, leaving behind mostly normal folks who can control their impulses and plan long term, and higher functioning psychopaths who are busy with loftier things than beheading bus drivers etc.<<

    This is a very odd comment and even stranger logic. Stalin and Mao did try to wipe out the layer of "rich peasants" or kulaks which existed when they took full control. Only both first had to survive a long war and revolution (Mao) or WWI and a somewhat shorter revolutionary period. The surviving village leaders were also targeted by nearly everyone fighting.

    As to "gang rapists" and their supposed "village elder power base", where does that come from? Gang rapists were quite common in the Chekist/NKVD ranks as well as Maoist military front line troops. The sociopaths, thugs and rapists were mainly enlisted in fighting formations. Some on the winning side, others not. You think killing local rural leadership leads to better cultural ethical norms? On what planet? Gang infested and military dictatorship ruled Central America has hardly become the "improved" society you write about, has it? Lots of village elders dead there too.

    So your logic suggests that ruthless, murderous drug cartels are actually improving rural Mexican society by exterminating locals. And removing any semblance of popular democratic government. Do you think cartel gunmen are improving local security and moral behavior? Is that why Mexican women (and in other Central American nations) march against femicide?

    If you believe that you should move to gang infested areas of major US cities. Where rape is unknown and only "normal folks who can control their impulses" rule the day. Come back from there after a year or two and let us know how your theory of cultural improvement worked out for you. I suggest you leave your wife/girlfriend, if any, at home.
    , @J.Ross
    Stalinism doesn't eliminate the proles or the criminals, it eliminates the sort of people you're looking for. Political prisoners were always considered worse than violent criminals, who were considered victims of social injustice.
    , @BB753
    No offense meant, but I can tell you haven't traveled much. Those five groups look only vaguely similar. Give me ten random individuals of said groups and it's pretty easy to tell them apart.
    Or perhaps I misundertood you. What are "Eastern Europeans of the Slavic-Turkic type"? What do you mean by "New World" Hispanics"?
    , @jsm
    Sorry Rahan, you're using Occam's Butterknife again.

    The razor says New World darkie Whites are admixed with Amerinds, such as Aztecs. A people so vicious they did their human sacrifices with obsidian knives, and ripped out the still-beating heart. \
  24. PSR says:
    @Carol
    This is very interesting, as I am finishing up the Conquest of New Spain by that Castillo guy. And re-reading 1491. Can anyone recommend other histories of the area, with maps?

    By God I would like to travel to So Mex if if weren't so scary. And I don't travel much anymore

    This might not be exactly what you’re looking for but it is an amazing story.

    We Came Naked and Barefoot: The Journey of Cabeza de Vaca across North America – Alex Krieger

    “Perhaps no one has ever been such a survivor as álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca. Member of a 600-man expedition sent out from Spain to colonize “La Florida” in 1527, he survived a failed exploration of the west coast of Florida, an open-boat crossing of the Gulf of Mexico, shipwreck on the Texas coast, six years of captivity among native peoples, and an arduous, overland journey in which he and the three other remaining survivors of the original expedition walked some 1,500 miles from the central Texas coast to the Gulf of California, then another 1,300 miles to Mexico City.”

    • Thanks: Not My Economy
  25. @Hockamaw
    For people who’ve actually spent time there, to what extent is Mexico actually a failed post-apocalyptic hellscape?

    Mexico, once you get away from the northern border, is super-nice. I’ve traveled there on pleasure and business countless times, spending a total of a year or so there.

    Once, returning to the U.S. through Texas after four months in Zacatecas, Zac., I found myself thinking, “Good Lord, what a shithole Texas is.”

    I’m not trying to provoke the good readers here, but that was my gut-level reaction to the contrast.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Mexico features nearly first world levels of infrastructure and third world unskilled labor costs. As a result, much of it is spotlessly clean due to a full time janitor costing $3,500 a year, and the buildings often have pleasant labor-intensive touches like elaborate tilework and gardens free of wilted flowers or brown leaves.
    , @anon
    >Once, returning to the U.S. through Texas after four months in Zacatecas, Zac., I found myself thinking, “Good Lord, what a shithole Texas is.”

    Me thinks you must have been under some kind of reverse culture shock or something. Maybe seeing strip malls and sprawl again turned you off. Or perhaps you were witnessing the worst of what the border towns have to offer.

    From my perspective, there's simply no objective comparison; the contrast in wealth jumps out at one instantly. Mexico is chock full of tiny abandoned-looking cinder block buildings (all with burglar bars) and hastily painted over graffiti.

    , @JMcG
    I was in Mexico on a climbing trip twenty years ago now. We stayed with a member of the upper class in Mexico. I was slack jawed with astonishment at how nice everything was. The most beautiful girl I’ve ever seen in person was seated next to me at a wedding to which we were invited. The food was wonderful, the people charming. But the shanty towns lining the hillsides were ever present.
    , @pirelli
    Which part of Texas were you in? The RGV is fairly similar to Northern Mexico, so it wouldn’t be surprising if you had that reaction after spending time in Central Mexico. San Antonio is also not great. Austin, DFW, and Houston are all pretty nice, though admittedly Houston takes some getting used to.
    , @Inverness
    Most of Mexico is an unregenerate pisshole. The only nice parts are the parts devoid of Mexicans. Who, on the whole, are astonishingly ugly, stupid, and breathtakingly criminal.

    The scary thing is that they might actually be sending us their best. Pace Steve and Fred, because I know there are indeed a few hundred Castilians living behind walls and gates in Polanco.

  26. res says:
    @Yak-15
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/05/12/princeton-graduation-2020-schools-first-black-valedictorian/3116055001/

    Valedictorian of Princeton is black. Interesting. Also, not a bs “studies” guy, but a STEM. He is going to work at DE Shaw which is a very prestigious mathematics job but also completely worthless to most people.

    Of course, this fellow had to talk about the legacy of slavery which clearly has made it impossible for blacks to do complex math, but whaddya whaddya?

    How do they determine Valedictorian? Seems like it’s open to a lot of subjective nonsense.

    He at least seems like someone worthy of being honored.

    How do they determine Valedictorian? Seems like it’s open to a lot of subjective nonsense.

    I did a Google search and was presented with this page and excerpt.
    https://www.app.com/story/news/education/2020/05/12/princeton-first-black-valedictorian/3114592001/
    “The valedictorian and the Latin salutatorian are awarded by vote of the faculty to two of the highest-ranking members of the graduating class”

    But when I went to that page nothing like that excerpt was to be found. And the page is not available in the Wayback Machine to check older versions of the article.

    So I looked harder and found this.

    https://ua.princeton.edu/contents/academic-regulations/graduation-and-honors

    Commencement Speakers
    The Valedictory and the Latin Salutatory are awarded by vote of the faculty to two of the highest-ranking members of the graduating class. The special qualifications of a student as valedictorian or salutatorian are taken into account as well as scholastic standing.

    Pretty much what I (and I suspect, you) expected.

    Here is an article about grade inflation at Princeton.
    https://paw.princeton.edu/article/gpas-rise

  27. Vice laying off 155: who now will tell us of the transgender drug dealers of Cuzco?
    https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/vice-media-layoffs-155-employees-covid19-1234607610/
    ———-
    Just now on Prager:
    California is allowing dog grooming but still forbidding human haircuts.
    Prager: so identify as a dog.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  28. @Lars Porsena
    I would love to know the story behind that truck.

    Sometimes Mexico is awesome.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHxGYAXHbvg

    I like the videos of the fireworks factories and fireworks flea markets going off and those retardates who get burned up when they tap into a Pemex gasoline pipeline while lighting up a Marlboro.

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbyTi6-6oEs

    Tultelpec, Mexico. 300 tons of fireworks in a shed blow up, burn down half the town, killing many people. Next year: upgrade shed to double cinder block. 450 tons.
  29. @prosa123
    Explains something I always wondered about. When I lived in Chicago in the early 1980’s many of the Mexicans were from Campeche and the Mexican food was excellent. When I moved to the Bay area, I found the Mexican food was quite mediocre. I found that quite surprising.

    My suspicion is that when an ethnic food style becomes more popular and mainstream in the US its quality tends to go down. Consider sushi, a few decades ago something special made by highly trained chefs, today you can get premade stuff in supermarkets.

    Well, I don’t know but I’ve been told
    Gas station sushi is mighty old

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Well, I don’t know but I’ve been told
    Gas station sushi is mighty old
     
    That isn't sushi.



    https://objects.blains.com/products/11/600/1105727.jpg
  30. @Yak-15
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/05/12/princeton-graduation-2020-schools-first-black-valedictorian/3116055001/

    Valedictorian of Princeton is black. Interesting. Also, not a bs “studies” guy, but a STEM. He is going to work at DE Shaw which is a very prestigious mathematics job but also completely worthless to most people.

    Of course, this fellow had to talk about the legacy of slavery which clearly has made it impossible for blacks to do complex math, but whaddya whaddya?

    How do they determine Valedictorian? Seems like it’s open to a lot of subjective nonsense.

    No doubt the guy is smart, but:

    «The valedictorian and the Latin salutatorian are awarded by vote of the faculty to two of the highest-ranking members of the graduating class, according to the Princeton University website. The “special qualifications of a student as valedictorian or salutatorian are taken into account as well as scholastic standing,” the website said.»

    He probably was no way the smartest but, still the most impressive, being Black, which would be true.

  31. @anon
    Is part of Mexico under the church of Sodom?

    Mexico City

  32. @Hockamaw
    For people who’ve actually spent time there, to what extent is Mexico actually a failed post-apocalyptic hellscape?

    I don’t think it is, at least outside of the cartel-heavy areas. Fred Reed and many other retired gringos live there and seem to be fine.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Mexicans are basically 1970s era Americans.

    By the way, on a completely unrelated note, which character from Bonanza did you guys like best?

    Hoss?

    Little Joe?

    Hop Sing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQjb_QiFbJE

    Here's a little known fact. Michael Landon was Jewish. His real name was Eugene Maurice Orowitz. According to him, Hop Sing was gay.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vA-1XnoUHM
  33. @Yak-15
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/05/12/princeton-graduation-2020-schools-first-black-valedictorian/3116055001/

    Valedictorian of Princeton is black. Interesting. Also, not a bs “studies” guy, but a STEM. He is going to work at DE Shaw which is a very prestigious mathematics job but also completely worthless to most people.

    Of course, this fellow had to talk about the legacy of slavery which clearly has made it impossible for blacks to do complex math, but whaddya whaddya?

    How do they determine Valedictorian? Seems like it’s open to a lot of subjective nonsense.

    What do you mean by DE Shaw “is completely worthless to most people”? That they only make money by gaming the markets?

    • Replies: @Red Blooded American Boomer
    It's unfortunate to see this kid go the quant route. With his outlook, he could be dynamite in private equity or the C-Suite.

    I’m reminded of a particular, innovative private equity turnaround strategy. It involves bringing in an all-American gentile CEO, who downsizes for several months, before turning things over to the successor CEO, who is now viewed as a savior by rank-and-file and ethnically aligned with the investors. I call this the Goyum Shuffle

    But if you're lucky, you will see the Goyum Shuffle with a Bombay Twist. This is where a loyalist Indian CTO is brought in at the end. It reminds me of that passage from the Bhagavad Gita — “I am Vishnustein, destroyer of employee benefit programs.” A company called Shutterfly pulled one off in 2019. It was a work of art.

    The permutations we could run with this kid in 21st century high finance.

    , @Yak-15
    They do not “game” the markets. That is very challenging because it’s illegal. They just figure out what will mostly likely happen in the next microsecond, based upon mathematic modeling. It’s not really befitting someone with so much potential - particularly a black who may be able to win a medal in mathematics.
  34. @Yak-15
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/05/12/princeton-graduation-2020-schools-first-black-valedictorian/3116055001/

    Valedictorian of Princeton is black. Interesting. Also, not a bs “studies” guy, but a STEM. He is going to work at DE Shaw which is a very prestigious mathematics job but also completely worthless to most people.

    Of course, this fellow had to talk about the legacy of slavery which clearly has made it impossible for blacks to do complex math, but whaddya whaddya?

    How do they determine Valedictorian? Seems like it’s open to a lot of subjective nonsense.

    STEM not “bs studies”, yet being valedictorian is “open to a lot of subjective nonsense”.

    Man, you IQ fetishists are hard to please.

    I’m guessing what you think is “subjective nonsense” is what the rest of us think separates us (real humans) from computers and IQ fetishists.

    You’re welcome.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
    STEM people know more about the humanities than most liberal arts majors, because they're a lot smarter than most liberal arts majors.
    , @Yak-15
    As others have pointed out, valedictorian at Princeton is not the same as “Top of Class.” It’s a substantially more subjective measure that surely took into account his being black.
  35. @Carol
    This is very interesting, as I am finishing up the Conquest of New Spain by that Castillo guy. And re-reading 1491. Can anyone recommend other histories of the area, with maps?

    By God I would like to travel to So Mex if if weren't so scary. And I don't travel much anymore

    Perhaps try

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/901365.History_of_the_Conquest_of_Mexico

    by Prescott.

    The memoir of Cabeza de Vaca’s experiences as slave of various Indian groups and transformation into a sort of shaman and journey through what’s now the SE Gulf States and down, eventually, to Mexico City is also available in English I think. It’s fascinating.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    I second both Prescott and CdV.

    However small correction CdV did not run his healer hustle all the way back down to Mexico City. He was picked up by slave raiders near Culican on the Northern Pacific Coast who then realized he was a Spaniard. Still from Florida to Northern Mexico overland is pretty impressive.
    , @Dtbb
    Internet archive has it.
    , @Alden
    Thanks, just added it to my Christmas book list .
  36. @Yak-15
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/05/12/princeton-graduation-2020-schools-first-black-valedictorian/3116055001/

    Valedictorian of Princeton is black. Interesting. Also, not a bs “studies” guy, but a STEM. He is going to work at DE Shaw which is a very prestigious mathematics job but also completely worthless to most people.

    Of course, this fellow had to talk about the legacy of slavery which clearly has made it impossible for blacks to do complex math, but whaddya whaddya?

    How do they determine Valedictorian? Seems like it’s open to a lot of subjective nonsense.

    You didn’t mention that he’s Canadian. I wonder how many of the 9% of black students at Princeton are foreign students or connected with recent immigration. His talk of presumably American slavery when he’s from Canada is bizarre. If his ancestors were slaves in the Caribbean it was his responsibility to mention that. It’s dishonest not to make all this clear.

    I want to see American blacks from American black slave families benefit from affirmative action. I am sick of the elites talking up “diversity” that’s based on foreigners and recent immigration. I want diversity based on long term American families that also includes whites from working class and poor whites.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Some Black Canadians are descendants of escaped slaves who crossed the Canadian border to escape from those who went North to recapture them. This happened at least as far North as Boston. After slavery was abolished in the British Empire in the early 1830s they were safe after they crossed the border.
  37. @prosa123
    Explains something I always wondered about. When I lived in Chicago in the early 1980’s many of the Mexicans were from Campeche and the Mexican food was excellent. When I moved to the Bay area, I found the Mexican food was quite mediocre. I found that quite surprising.

    My suspicion is that when an ethnic food style becomes more popular and mainstream in the US its quality tends to go down. Consider sushi, a few decades ago something special made by highly trained chefs, today you can get premade stuff in supermarkets.

    Mexican food in Chicago is still awesome. I had some pork tacos with onion, cilantro, lime juice and hot salsa the other day. And horchata.

    If you get americanized versions though, you get it with lettuce, cheese and tomato. Not as good.

    And then there is Taco Bell. TacoBell is not even Mexican food.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    Yo Quiero Taco Ball.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6jzl_Oy2IQ
  38. Where is this image from? It’s not from Twitter as far as I can tell.

  39. You could “tear America apart” too – anchorbabyland, heroin customers, refuge from your former gang buddies who want to behead you, etc.

    • Replies: @Inverness
    Did you know that the anti-drug laws in America came about because fragile, racist whites feared that blacks and asians were stealing all de white wimmenz?

    Wikipedia knows.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Narcotics_Tax_Act

  40. @Lars Porsena
    Mexican food in Chicago is still awesome. I had some pork tacos with onion, cilantro, lime juice and hot salsa the other day. And horchata.

    If you get americanized versions though, you get it with lettuce, cheese and tomato. Not as good.

    And then there is Taco Bell. TacoBell is not even Mexican food.

    Yo Quiero Taco Ball.

  41. Lot says:
    @uhbygv
    Mexico, once you get away from the northern border, is super-nice. I've traveled there on pleasure and business countless times, spending a total of a year or so there.

    Once, returning to the U.S. through Texas after four months in Zacatecas, Zac., I found myself thinking, "Good Lord, what a shithole Texas is."

    I'm not trying to provoke the good readers here, but that was my gut-level reaction to the contrast.

    Mexico features nearly first world levels of infrastructure and third world unskilled labor costs. As a result, much of it is spotlessly clean due to a full time janitor costing $3,500 a year, and the buildings often have pleasant labor-intensive touches like elaborate tilework and gardens free of wilted flowers or brown leaves.

  42. How is it a stereotype to map out Mexico by population? Someone needs to explain the word “stereotype” to whoever came up with this. While they’re at it, we could use a Mexico map delineating cartel live disembowling vs. bullets to the head. I would look at that map.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  43. @Anon
    Well, I don’t know but I’ve been told
    Gas station sushi is mighty old

    Well, I don’t know but I’ve been told
    Gas station sushi is mighty old

    That isn’t sushi.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    NOW you tell us.
  44. @Dumbo
    I don't think it is, at least outside of the cartel-heavy areas. Fred Reed and many other retired gringos live there and seem to be fine.

    Mexicans are basically 1970s era Americans.

    By the way, on a completely unrelated note, which character from Bonanza did you guys like best?

    Hoss?

    Little Joe?

    Hop Sing?

    Here’s a little known fact. Michael Landon was Jewish. His real name was Eugene Maurice Orowitz. According to him, Hop Sing was gay.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Was Bonanza realistic?

    https://youtu.be/psoaCxQ6u5w
    , @Hibernian
    Irish Catholic mother, Jewish father.
    , @Jack D
    Lorne Greene was 100% Jewish (and Canadian, from Montreal). He was known as the "Voice of Doom" in Canada because he would read the casualty reports on CBC radio during WWII. If Lorne Greene was reading your name on the radio, it was bad news.
    , @syonredux

    By the way, on a completely unrelated note, which character from Bonanza did you guys like best?
     
    Never could make it through an episode. The TV Western character that I like best is Paladin:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3R3OaaIcJQ


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDsgFyfk36I
    , @FPD72
    I’m partial to Hoss, played by Dan Blocker. His town of birth, Olney, Texas, used to have a memorial to him on the small town square, but the last couple of times I’ve driven by Olney the sign on the highway advertising the memorial was gone.

    The last time I was in Carlsbad (NM) High School (1966) they had pictures on the wall of Blocker and Tom Brookshire in their football uniforms.

    Who even know who Blocker and Brookshire were any more?
  45. @Rahan
    I've been musing lately about the difference between:
    1) New World Hispanics
    2) Southern Europeans
    3) Eastern Europeans of the Slavic-Turkic type
    4) North Africans and Middle Easterners
    5) Caucasus mountains people (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan)


    These people look the same. If you dress them the same, and give them the same haircuts, until they open their mouths, they're bloody identical. They even have quite similar average IQ rankings. Sure some are Muslims while others Christians, but still...

    How come the homicide rates of Romanians and Moldovans and Spaniards and Italians are so much lower than those of New World Hispanics?

    I'm starting to think that the difference between Old World "darkie whites" and New World "darkie whites", is that the Old World ones got a serious genetic culling through the 20th century conflicts, which the New World ones did not have.

    Same way the Stalinist/Maoist decades purged the gang rapists & their village elder power base, that remained in place in say India or Bangladesh...

    Maybe if Mexico or Guatemala had lived through a world war or two and then a stalinism or three, the disfunctional lower tier psychopath populace would have been mostly erased in the process, leaving behind mostly normal folks who can control their impulses and plan long term, and higher functioning psychopaths who are busy with loftier things than beheading bus drivers etc.

    Mexico had a number of bloodletting revolutions.

  46. Those are interesting and clever maps in the essay, but they fail to depict the rest of Mexico, Mexico Al Norte. Signing-off from LeafblowerFornia, where a “mattress in lane” traffic jam is a commonplace.

    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    The map is misleading. Here in New Jersey There are less than 120,000 Mexicans.

    60% of the Mexicans live in 2 states, CA and TX. The Mexican population East of the Mississippi remains pretty small.
    , @Carol
    Ah. Montana is awesome isn't it?

    I knew I wanted to move here since I was 7.

  47. @Rahan
    I've been musing lately about the difference between:
    1) New World Hispanics
    2) Southern Europeans
    3) Eastern Europeans of the Slavic-Turkic type
    4) North Africans and Middle Easterners
    5) Caucasus mountains people (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan)


    These people look the same. If you dress them the same, and give them the same haircuts, until they open their mouths, they're bloody identical. They even have quite similar average IQ rankings. Sure some are Muslims while others Christians, but still...

    How come the homicide rates of Romanians and Moldovans and Spaniards and Italians are so much lower than those of New World Hispanics?

    I'm starting to think that the difference between Old World "darkie whites" and New World "darkie whites", is that the Old World ones got a serious genetic culling through the 20th century conflicts, which the New World ones did not have.

    Same way the Stalinist/Maoist decades purged the gang rapists & their village elder power base, that remained in place in say India or Bangladesh...

    Maybe if Mexico or Guatemala had lived through a world war or two and then a stalinism or three, the disfunctional lower tier psychopath populace would have been mostly erased in the process, leaving behind mostly normal folks who can control their impulses and plan long term, and higher functioning psychopaths who are busy with loftier things than beheading bus drivers etc.

    >>Same way the Stalinist/Maoist decades purged the gang rapists & their village elder power base, that remained in place in say India or Bangladesh…

    Maybe if Mexico or Guatemala had lived through a world war or two and then a stalinism or three, the disfunctional lower tier psychopath populace would have been mostly erased in the process, leaving behind mostly normal folks who can control their impulses and plan long term, and higher functioning psychopaths who are busy with loftier things than beheading bus drivers etc.<<

    This is a very odd comment and even stranger logic. Stalin and Mao did try to wipe out the layer of "rich peasants" or kulaks which existed when they took full control. Only both first had to survive a long war and revolution (Mao) or WWI and a somewhat shorter revolutionary period. The surviving village leaders were also targeted by nearly everyone fighting.

    As to "gang rapists" and their supposed "village elder power base", where does that come from? Gang rapists were quite common in the Chekist/NKVD ranks as well as Maoist military front line troops. The sociopaths, thugs and rapists were mainly enlisted in fighting formations. Some on the winning side, others not. You think killing local rural leadership leads to better cultural ethical norms? On what planet? Gang infested and military dictatorship ruled Central America has hardly become the "improved" society you write about, has it? Lots of village elders dead there too.

    So your logic suggests that ruthless, murderous drug cartels are actually improving rural Mexican society by exterminating locals. And removing any semblance of popular democratic government. Do you think cartel gunmen are improving local security and moral behavior? Is that why Mexican women (and in other Central American nations) march against femicide?

    If you believe that you should move to gang infested areas of major US cities. Where rape is unknown and only "normal folks who can control their impulses" rule the day. Come back from there after a year or two and let us know how your theory of cultural improvement worked out for you. I suggest you leave your wife/girlfriend, if any, at home.

  48. @Hockamaw
    For people who’ve actually spent time there, to what extent is Mexico actually a failed post-apocalyptic hellscape?

    The further you get from the us mexico border the nicer it is. Works heading north or south.

  49. @Peter D. Bredon
    STEM not "bs studies", yet being valedictorian is "open to a lot of subjective nonsense".

    Man, you IQ fetishists are hard to please.

    I'm guessing what you think is "subjective nonsense" is what the rest of us think separates us (real humans) from computers and IQ fetishists.

    You're welcome.

    STEM people know more about the humanities than most liberal arts majors, because they’re a lot smarter than most liberal arts majors.

  50. @JohnnyWalker123
    Mexicans are basically 1970s era Americans.

    By the way, on a completely unrelated note, which character from Bonanza did you guys like best?

    Hoss?

    Little Joe?

    Hop Sing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQjb_QiFbJE

    Here's a little known fact. Michael Landon was Jewish. His real name was Eugene Maurice Orowitz. According to him, Hop Sing was gay.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vA-1XnoUHM

    Was Bonanza realistic?

  51. Can you really have a Quesadilla without cheese?

    I used to visit a hole-in-the-wall eatery in NYC on Lex, named Fresco Tortilla Grill. It was staffed by Chinese, but the food was relatively cheap and tasted great. They made great quesadilla syncronizados, with your choice of cheese only, beef, or chicken. Be sure to add the guac.

  52. @Forbes
    Where's the map with the country divided by relative freedom?
    --Control by drug cartels.
    --Control by Coyotes (people smugglers).
    --Control by corrupt politicians/government.
    --Relatively free.

    Relative freedom or freedom from relatives? Your choice?

  53. @notsaying
    You didn't mention that he's Canadian. I wonder how many of the 9% of black students at Princeton are foreign students or connected with recent immigration. His talk of presumably American slavery when he's from Canada is bizarre. If his ancestors were slaves in the Caribbean it was his responsibility to mention that. It's dishonest not to make all this clear.

    I want to see American blacks from American black slave families benefit from affirmative action. I am sick of the elites talking up "diversity" that's based on foreigners and recent immigration. I want diversity based on long term American families that also includes whites from working class and poor whites.

    Some Black Canadians are descendants of escaped slaves who crossed the Canadian border to escape from those who went North to recapture them. This happened at least as far North as Boston. After slavery was abolished in the British Empire in the early 1830s they were safe after they crossed the border.

    • Replies: @Prosa123
    Nova Scotia in particular got a substantial number of escaped slaves. Halifax long had the largest black population of any city in Canada, though Toronto and Montreal have far surpassed it.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Their descendants control the "pimping business" in Halifax.

    https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk2/ftp01/MQ57327.pdf

    Another pertinent issue revealed to be intertwined with the social problem of
    prostitution, its saliency as a social issue and moral panic theory was racism. Any
    discussion of prostitution in Halifax must include an exploration into racist ideologies
    and how they may impact this problem. One of the main reasons a moral panic was
    instigated may have been the overt participation of blacks in the pimping business. With
    the identification of a negatively stereotyped group (Le. black males) operating
    prostitution rings, it became likely that those individuals would be identified as the
    manipulators of young girls and the evil doers. In a city where race relations have been
    tenuous at best. using local blacks as scapegoats for rampant prostitution would be an
    easy mark. This is not to Say that the issue of prostitution in Halifax was mainly a racial
    one. but that the role played by the racial differences between pimps and prostitutes. those
    who controlled and those who were controlled respectively, must not be overlooked. Race
    was an issue at the height of the moral panic and therefore must be a consideration in the
    study of that period.
     
  54. @JohnnyWalker123
    Mexicans are basically 1970s era Americans.

    By the way, on a completely unrelated note, which character from Bonanza did you guys like best?

    Hoss?

    Little Joe?

    Hop Sing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQjb_QiFbJE

    Here's a little known fact. Michael Landon was Jewish. His real name was Eugene Maurice Orowitz. According to him, Hop Sing was gay.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vA-1XnoUHM

    Irish Catholic mother, Jewish father.

  55. @Hibernian
    Some Black Canadians are descendants of escaped slaves who crossed the Canadian border to escape from those who went North to recapture them. This happened at least as far North as Boston. After slavery was abolished in the British Empire in the early 1830s they were safe after they crossed the border.

    Nova Scotia in particular got a substantial number of escaped slaves. Halifax long had the largest black population of any city in Canada, though Toronto and Montreal have far surpassed it.

    • Replies: @fatmanscoop

    Nova Scotia in particular got a substantial number of escaped slaves. Halifax long had the largest black population of any city in Canada, though Toronto and Montreal have far surpassed it.
     
    Also many 'Black Loyalists' were transferred here - with many of these subsequently going on to found Sierra Leone (I read recently),
    , @G. Poulin
    Halifax! I was wondering where those black hockey players hailed from. That must be it.
  56. anonymous[514] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cortes
    Perhaps try

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/901365.History_of_the_Conquest_of_Mexico

    by Prescott.

    The memoir of Cabeza de Vaca’s experiences as slave of various Indian groups and transformation into a sort of shaman and journey through what’s now the SE Gulf States and down, eventually, to Mexico City is also available in English I think. It’s fascinating.

    I second both Prescott and CdV.

    However small correction CdV did not run his healer hustle all the way back down to Mexico City. He was picked up by slave raiders near Culican on the Northern Pacific Coast who then realized he was a Spaniard. Still from Florida to Northern Mexico overland is pretty impressive.

    • Thanks: Cortes
  57. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Well, I don’t know but I’ve been told
    Gas station sushi is mighty old
     
    That isn't sushi.



    https://objects.blains.com/products/11/600/1105727.jpg

    NOW you tell us.

  58. @Hibernian
    Some Black Canadians are descendants of escaped slaves who crossed the Canadian border to escape from those who went North to recapture them. This happened at least as far North as Boston. After slavery was abolished in the British Empire in the early 1830s they were safe after they crossed the border.

    Their descendants control the “pimping business” in Halifax.

    https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk2/ftp01/MQ57327.pdf

    Another pertinent issue revealed to be intertwined with the social problem of
    prostitution, its saliency as a social issue and moral panic theory was racism. Any
    discussion of prostitution in Halifax must include an exploration into racist ideologies
    and how they may impact this problem. One of the main reasons a moral panic was
    instigated may have been the overt participation of blacks in the pimping business. With
    the identification of a negatively stereotyped group (Le. black males) operating
    prostitution rings, it became likely that those individuals would be identified as the
    manipulators of young girls and the evil doers. In a city where race relations have been
    tenuous at best. using local blacks as scapegoats for rampant prostitution would be an
    easy mark. This is not to Say that the issue of prostitution in Halifax was mainly a racial
    one. but that the role played by the racial differences between pimps and prostitutes. those
    who controlled and those who were controlled respectively, must not be overlooked. Race
    was an issue at the height of the moral panic and therefore must be a consideration in the
    study of that period.

  59. Should pitch this as a story to the Styles desk at the NYT. They’re always on the lookout for reporting on how the world is changing.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lY_neaOmexMOxwqRnRJ5V8E63Nygo_x1gXHkXz1i_Xk/edit

  60. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I like the videos of the fireworks factories and fireworks flea markets going off and those retardates who get burned up when they tap into a Pemex gasoline pipeline while lighting up a Marlboro.

    Tultelpec, Mexico. 300 tons of fireworks in a shed blow up, burn down half the town, killing many people. Next year: upgrade shed to double cinder block. 450 tons.

    • Replies: @Mr Mox
    Something tells me an ophthalmologist could make a decent living in mexico.
  61. @JohnnyWalker123
    Mexicans are basically 1970s era Americans.

    By the way, on a completely unrelated note, which character from Bonanza did you guys like best?

    Hoss?

    Little Joe?

    Hop Sing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQjb_QiFbJE

    Here's a little known fact. Michael Landon was Jewish. His real name was Eugene Maurice Orowitz. According to him, Hop Sing was gay.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vA-1XnoUHM

    Lorne Greene was 100% Jewish (and Canadian, from Montreal). He was known as the “Voice of Doom” in Canada because he would read the casualty reports on CBC radio during WWII. If Lorne Greene was reading your name on the radio, it was bad news.

  62. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @uhbygv
    Mexico, once you get away from the northern border, is super-nice. I've traveled there on pleasure and business countless times, spending a total of a year or so there.

    Once, returning to the U.S. through Texas after four months in Zacatecas, Zac., I found myself thinking, "Good Lord, what a shithole Texas is."

    I'm not trying to provoke the good readers here, but that was my gut-level reaction to the contrast.

    >Once, returning to the U.S. through Texas after four months in Zacatecas, Zac., I found myself thinking, “Good Lord, what a shithole Texas is.”

    Me thinks you must have been under some kind of reverse culture shock or something. Maybe seeing strip malls and sprawl again turned you off. Or perhaps you were witnessing the worst of what the border towns have to offer.

    From my perspective, there’s simply no objective comparison; the contrast in wealth jumps out at one instantly. Mexico is chock full of tiny abandoned-looking cinder block buildings (all with burglar bars) and hastily painted over graffiti.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    I was in El Paso once, and the contrast between it and Juarez was jarring.
    , @prosa123
    In 2008 (it probably hasn't changed) I saw that sort of mind boggling contrast between Laredo, Texas and Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. Although downtown Laredo, where we parked to walk over the Rio Grande bridge, seemed slightly rundown, it was pure magnificence compared to Nuevo Laredo. Absolute filth and squalor. Our plans to spend the afternoon and maybe have dinner in Mexico quickly evaporated, and we returned to the US side after maybe 15 or 20 minutes.
  63. @JohnnyWalker123
    Mexicans are basically 1970s era Americans.

    By the way, on a completely unrelated note, which character from Bonanza did you guys like best?

    Hoss?

    Little Joe?

    Hop Sing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQjb_QiFbJE

    Here's a little known fact. Michael Landon was Jewish. His real name was Eugene Maurice Orowitz. According to him, Hop Sing was gay.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vA-1XnoUHM

    By the way, on a completely unrelated note, which character from Bonanza did you guys like best?

    Never could make it through an episode. The TV Western character that I like best is Paladin:

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Richard Boone (aka Paladin) was a lineal descendant of Daniel Boone. Unfortunately he was both a political and cultural liberal!
    , @Hhsiii
    Best theme song ever.
  64. @uhbygv
    Mexico, once you get away from the northern border, is super-nice. I've traveled there on pleasure and business countless times, spending a total of a year or so there.

    Once, returning to the U.S. through Texas after four months in Zacatecas, Zac., I found myself thinking, "Good Lord, what a shithole Texas is."

    I'm not trying to provoke the good readers here, but that was my gut-level reaction to the contrast.

    I was in Mexico on a climbing trip twenty years ago now. We stayed with a member of the upper class in Mexico. I was slack jawed with astonishment at how nice everything was. The most beautiful girl I’ve ever seen in person was seated next to me at a wedding to which we were invited. The food was wonderful, the people charming. But the shanty towns lining the hillsides were ever present.

    • Replies: @Flip
    American is becoming a Latin American type country with the rich getting richer and much of the middle and working class getting poorer. Less rule of law, crony capitalism, a racially mixed population, and (very soon) a weak currency and high inflation. I own lots of gold myself.
    , @Rob
    I think this is the real motivation from the upper and professional-managerial classes behind the Mexicanization in particular and immigration in general. They learn from trips to Latin America or from wealthy international students at college that rich Americans have McMansions and once a week maids, in contrast to the estates and household staff of wealthy third worlders. Women especially learn how much help rich and even professional-managerial class women have in housework and child rearing, and it is mighty appealing.

    Even the more analytic among them reason that with the healthier culture here, coupled with law-abiding middle and working classes, and up until March, our roaring economy, and think that all that can be brought here with none of the drawbacks. ‘Sure, Mexican law-enforcement is 2/3rds incompetent and 3/4ths corrupt, but American cops are honest and good at their jobs. We’ll get only good things out of immigration.’ No one offers cops bribes over speeding tickets (do they? It’s never crossed my mind.) We can have all Mexico

    They fail to realize that it often takes, what, forty years for cultures to respond to changes in incentives. Take family life. Most people are at least mildly traditionalist in that they want to raise their kids in circumstances similar to the ones in which they were raised, so even if the government is divorce raping married men, middle-class men wanted to get married. Those men got screwed by divorce (NB Rosie, no need to reply to this. I am sure those men were all pigs who deserved every bad thing that ever happened to them). Their sons weren’t raised by their fathers, so they are much less interested in family life. The situation is similar with their daughters, and the fun, sexy dark men they enjoy effing so much wouldn’t make good fathers anyway (Whiskey, you don’t have to reply to this comment either).

    Take politicians, yesterday’s politicians were venal, sure, but they couldn’t expect corporate sinecures in total non-payment for services rendered. So people looking to be corrupt didn’t look towards politics. But Senator is a much more lucrative position today, and the corrupt have filled the ranks of the legislature.

    Not to mention that Mexico maintains what little semblance of civilization it does maintain through rigorously excluding the more Indio Mestizos from important positions. In America, we ensure that incompetent minorities can be found everywhere, lest people start noticing how low-functioning they are. I would bet that Mexican universities ensure that matriculating students are up to snuff. That or they weed them out, or make sure the dumbest fail the exit exams, or don’t secure professional licenses. We used to do that, but the more diverse states are hard at work eliminating standards at every level. Once the Boomer liberals who are fans of meritocracy are fully replaced by progressives who consider the mere concept of meritocracy to be profoundly insulting to pocs and the memory of Emett Till, all standards will be chucked to ensure that non-whites are represented in proportion to their share of the population of the relevant age category.
  65. @Yak-15
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/05/12/princeton-graduation-2020-schools-first-black-valedictorian/3116055001/

    Valedictorian of Princeton is black. Interesting. Also, not a bs “studies” guy, but a STEM. He is going to work at DE Shaw which is a very prestigious mathematics job but also completely worthless to most people.

    Of course, this fellow had to talk about the legacy of slavery which clearly has made it impossible for blacks to do complex math, but whaddya whaddya?

    How do they determine Valedictorian? Seems like it’s open to a lot of subjective nonsense.

    The people who read the press-release will assume that “valedictorian” denotes something objective, like the person with the highest GPA. But, of course, it turns out it’s really a PR event based on who will bring the most positive publicity to the school. It’s sort of like how Obama got to be Editor of the Harvard Law Review, or how he won the Nobel Prize.

    Truth in Advertising would label these achievements as what they are: a prize for being “really really smart for a Black guy.”

    By the way, the Canadian Black guy’s Jamaican mother (who is a doctor) is really proud of how he overcame American Slavery.

    https://www.stabroeknews.com/2020/05/12/news/regional/jamaica/jamaican-mom-proud-of-history-making-black-valedictorian-at-princeton-university/

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >Jamaican mother
    And there it is.
    , @Inverness
    It reads that they choose two 'OF' the highest-ranking members of the graduating class. So really it's about the faculty choosing for valedictorian whichever student makes them feel best about themselves.


    Time was, words like "valedictorian" actually meant something. But then that was also true of words like "Princeton".

    , @notsaying
    I looked his father up. He's also from the Caribbean originally, from Barbados. He did his undergraduate and dental degree at McGill in Canada and went on to get an MD from New York Medical School. He works as a dental surgeon.

    This is all wonderful for these people but I can take no particular pleasure as an American in their son being valedictorian at Princeton.

    I wish that all the spectacular internships, jobs, connections and opportunities that were given to this Canadian had gone to a American black whose family had been here for hundreds of years. I would have been very happy to see that happen. Foreigners and immigrants are no substitutes for that.
  66. @Carol
    This is very interesting, as I am finishing up the Conquest of New Spain by that Castillo guy. And re-reading 1491. Can anyone recommend other histories of the area, with maps?

    By God I would like to travel to So Mex if if weren't so scary. And I don't travel much anymore

    Hugh Thomas’ Conquest is the best update on Prescott. Well written and very rigorous as history. Definitely a good read.

    • Thanks: Carol
    • Replies: @syonredux
    Here's an excellent read, Frances Calderon de la Barca's Life in Mexico

    Frances "Fanny" Erskine Inglis, later the Marquesa of Calderón de la Barca (Edinburgh, Scotland, 1804 – Madrid, Spain, 1882), was born to a family of the nobility and was a 19th-century travel writer best known for her 1843 account, Life in Mexico, which is widely regarded by historians as one of the most influential Latin American travel narratives of the 19th century.[1][2]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Erskine_Inglis,_1st_Marquise_of_Calder%C3%B3n_de_la_Barca


    https://www.amazon.com/Life-Mexico-Frances-Calderon-Barca/dp/0520046625
  67. @Rahan
    I've been musing lately about the difference between:
    1) New World Hispanics
    2) Southern Europeans
    3) Eastern Europeans of the Slavic-Turkic type
    4) North Africans and Middle Easterners
    5) Caucasus mountains people (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan)


    These people look the same. If you dress them the same, and give them the same haircuts, until they open their mouths, they're bloody identical. They even have quite similar average IQ rankings. Sure some are Muslims while others Christians, but still...

    How come the homicide rates of Romanians and Moldovans and Spaniards and Italians are so much lower than those of New World Hispanics?

    I'm starting to think that the difference between Old World "darkie whites" and New World "darkie whites", is that the Old World ones got a serious genetic culling through the 20th century conflicts, which the New World ones did not have.

    Same way the Stalinist/Maoist decades purged the gang rapists & their village elder power base, that remained in place in say India or Bangladesh...

    Maybe if Mexico or Guatemala had lived through a world war or two and then a stalinism or three, the disfunctional lower tier psychopath populace would have been mostly erased in the process, leaving behind mostly normal folks who can control their impulses and plan long term, and higher functioning psychopaths who are busy with loftier things than beheading bus drivers etc.

    Stalinism doesn’t eliminate the proles or the criminals, it eliminates the sort of people you’re looking for. Political prisoners were always considered worse than violent criminals, who were considered victims of social injustice.

  68. @Hypnotoad666
    The people who read the press-release will assume that "valedictorian" denotes something objective, like the person with the highest GPA. But, of course, it turns out it's really a PR event based on who will bring the most positive publicity to the school. It's sort of like how Obama got to be Editor of the Harvard Law Review, or how he won the Nobel Prize.

    Truth in Advertising would label these achievements as what they are: a prize for being "really really smart for a Black guy."

    By the way, the Canadian Black guy's Jamaican mother (who is a doctor) is really proud of how he overcame American Slavery.

    https://www.stabroeknews.com/2020/05/12/news/regional/jamaica/jamaican-mom-proud-of-history-making-black-valedictorian-at-princeton-university/

    >Jamaican mother
    And there it is.

  69. Disturbing footage shows smoke billowing ‘non stop’ from a Mexico City crematorium as country reaches its ‘peak moment’ in coronavirus crisis
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8322915/Disturbing-footage-shows-smoke-billowing-crematorium-Mexico-City-morgues-up.html

    “Mexico’s mortality rate could be five times higher than official figures suggest”

  70. @Rob McX
    You could "tear America apart" too - anchorbabyland, heroin customers, refuge from your former gang buddies who want to behead you, etc.

    Did you know that the anti-drug laws in America came about because fragile, racist whites feared that blacks and asians were stealing all de white wimmenz?

    Wikipedia knows.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Narcotics_Tax_Act

  71. @Hypnotoad666
    Hugh Thomas' Conquest is the best update on Prescott. Well written and very rigorous as history. Definitely a good read.

    https://www.amazon.com/Conquest-Cortes-Montezuma-Fall-Mexico-ebook/dp/B00AK78QCW/ref=sr_1_1?crid=U2CS0RAQ8ME8&dchild=1&keywords=conquest+hugh+thomas&qid=1589583001&sprefix=Conquest+hugh%2Caps%2C213&sr=8-1

    Here’s an excellent read, Frances Calderon de la Barca’s Life in Mexico

    Frances “Fanny” Erskine Inglis, later the Marquesa of Calderón de la Barca (Edinburgh, Scotland, 1804 – Madrid, Spain, 1882), was born to a family of the nobility and was a 19th-century travel writer best known for her 1843 account, Life in Mexico, which is widely regarded by historians as one of the most influential Latin American travel narratives of the 19th century.[1][2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Erskine_Inglis,_1st_Marquise_of_Calder%C3%B3n_de_la_Barca

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Fanny Calderon de la Barca describing women and education in early 19th century Mexico:

    "When very young, they occasionally attend the schools, where boys and girls learn to read in common, or any other accomplishment that the old women can teach them; but at twelve they are already considered too old to attend these promiscuous assemblages, and masters are got for drawing and music to finish their education. I asked a lady the other day if her daughter went to school. "Good heavens!" said she, quite shocked, "she is past eleven years old!" It frequently happens that the least well-informed girls are the children of the cleverest men, who, keeping to the customs of their forefathers, are content if they confess regularly, attend church constantly, and can embroider and sing a little. Where there are more extended ideas, it is chiefly amongst families who have travelled in Europe, and have seen the different education of women in foreign countries. Of these the fathers occasionally devote a short portion of their time to the instruction of their daughters, perhaps during their leisure evening moments, but it may easily be supposed that this desultory system has little real influence on the minds of the children. I do not think there are above half-a-dozen married women, or as many girls above fourteen, who, with the exception of the mass-book, read any one book through in the whole course of the year. They thus greatly simplify the system of education in the United States, where parties are frequently divided between the advocates for solid learning and those for superficial accomplishments; and according to whom it is difficult to amalgamate the solid beef of science with the sweet sauce of les beaux arts."
     
    LIFE IN MEXICO
  72. @syonredux
    Here's an excellent read, Frances Calderon de la Barca's Life in Mexico

    Frances "Fanny" Erskine Inglis, later the Marquesa of Calderón de la Barca (Edinburgh, Scotland, 1804 – Madrid, Spain, 1882), was born to a family of the nobility and was a 19th-century travel writer best known for her 1843 account, Life in Mexico, which is widely regarded by historians as one of the most influential Latin American travel narratives of the 19th century.[1][2]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Erskine_Inglis,_1st_Marquise_of_Calder%C3%B3n_de_la_Barca


    https://www.amazon.com/Life-Mexico-Frances-Calderon-Barca/dp/0520046625

    Fanny Calderon de la Barca describing women and education in early 19th century Mexico:

    “When very young, they occasionally attend the schools, where boys and girls learn to read in common, or any other accomplishment that the old women can teach them; but at twelve they are already considered too old to attend these promiscuous assemblages, and masters are got for drawing and music to finish their education. I asked a lady the other day if her daughter went to school. “Good heavens!” said she, quite shocked, “she is past eleven years old!” It frequently happens that the least well-informed girls are the children of the cleverest men, who, keeping to the customs of their forefathers, are content if they confess regularly, attend church constantly, and can embroider and sing a little. Where there are more extended ideas, it is chiefly amongst families who have travelled in Europe, and have seen the different education of women in foreign countries. Of these the fathers occasionally devote a short portion of their time to the instruction of their daughters, perhaps during their leisure evening moments, but it may easily be supposed that this desultory system has little real influence on the minds of the children. I do not think there are above half-a-dozen married women, or as many girls above fourteen, who, with the exception of the mass-book, read any one book through in the whole course of the year. They thus greatly simplify the system of education in the United States, where parties are frequently divided between the advocates for solid learning and those for superficial accomplishments; and according to whom it is difficult to amalgamate the solid beef of science with the sweet sauce of les beaux arts.”

    LIFE IN MEXICO

    • Thanks: Republic
    • Replies: @BB753
    Well, it used to be the same pretty much everywhere at the time iin the West. Upper-class girls were destined for marriage or the nunnery, so they didn't het to study past the age of 12. If you ask me, it was the right idea. Look where 150 years of women's rights have taken us: a couple of generations before the dark age and the end of Western Civilization.
  73. @Hypnotoad666
    The people who read the press-release will assume that "valedictorian" denotes something objective, like the person with the highest GPA. But, of course, it turns out it's really a PR event based on who will bring the most positive publicity to the school. It's sort of like how Obama got to be Editor of the Harvard Law Review, or how he won the Nobel Prize.

    Truth in Advertising would label these achievements as what they are: a prize for being "really really smart for a Black guy."

    By the way, the Canadian Black guy's Jamaican mother (who is a doctor) is really proud of how he overcame American Slavery.

    https://www.stabroeknews.com/2020/05/12/news/regional/jamaica/jamaican-mom-proud-of-history-making-black-valedictorian-at-princeton-university/

    It reads that they choose two ‘OF’ the highest-ranking members of the graduating class. So really it’s about the faculty choosing for valedictorian whichever student makes them feel best about themselves.

    Time was, words like “valedictorian” actually meant something. But then that was also true of words like “Princeton”.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    Was this not true in previous years, though? If you have many people with perfect grades, you have to choose one, right?
  74. @uhbygv
    Mexico, once you get away from the northern border, is super-nice. I've traveled there on pleasure and business countless times, spending a total of a year or so there.

    Once, returning to the U.S. through Texas after four months in Zacatecas, Zac., I found myself thinking, "Good Lord, what a shithole Texas is."

    I'm not trying to provoke the good readers here, but that was my gut-level reaction to the contrast.

    Which part of Texas were you in? The RGV is fairly similar to Northern Mexico, so it wouldn’t be surprising if you had that reaction after spending time in Central Mexico. San Antonio is also not great. Austin, DFW, and Houston are all pretty nice, though admittedly Houston takes some getting used to.

  75. @Rahan
    I've been musing lately about the difference between:
    1) New World Hispanics
    2) Southern Europeans
    3) Eastern Europeans of the Slavic-Turkic type
    4) North Africans and Middle Easterners
    5) Caucasus mountains people (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan)


    These people look the same. If you dress them the same, and give them the same haircuts, until they open their mouths, they're bloody identical. They even have quite similar average IQ rankings. Sure some are Muslims while others Christians, but still...

    How come the homicide rates of Romanians and Moldovans and Spaniards and Italians are so much lower than those of New World Hispanics?

    I'm starting to think that the difference between Old World "darkie whites" and New World "darkie whites", is that the Old World ones got a serious genetic culling through the 20th century conflicts, which the New World ones did not have.

    Same way the Stalinist/Maoist decades purged the gang rapists & their village elder power base, that remained in place in say India or Bangladesh...

    Maybe if Mexico or Guatemala had lived through a world war or two and then a stalinism or three, the disfunctional lower tier psychopath populace would have been mostly erased in the process, leaving behind mostly normal folks who can control their impulses and plan long term, and higher functioning psychopaths who are busy with loftier things than beheading bus drivers etc.

    No offense meant, but I can tell you haven’t traveled much. Those five groups look only vaguely similar. Give me ten random individuals of said groups and it’s pretty easy to tell them apart.
    Or perhaps I misundertood you. What are “Eastern Europeans of the Slavic-Turkic type”? What do you mean by “New World” Hispanics”?

    • Replies: @prosa123
    In my experience there's a slight Venn diagram overlap between Europeans, whether southern or eastern or anything else, and Middle Easterners/North Africans. I'm not going to try to guess percentages except to say that if it's more than 5% I'd be extremely surprised. Even Turks, the lightest of all MENA's, generally look different from whites.
    Now, I have noticed occasional looks overlaps between Hispanics and MENA's, but it's still far from the norm. For some reasons it's more common among women.
  76. @Prosa123
    Nova Scotia in particular got a substantial number of escaped slaves. Halifax long had the largest black population of any city in Canada, though Toronto and Montreal have far surpassed it.

    Nova Scotia in particular got a substantial number of escaped slaves. Halifax long had the largest black population of any city in Canada, though Toronto and Montreal have far surpassed it.

    Also many ‘Black Loyalists’ were transferred here – with many of these subsequently going on to found Sierra Leone (I read recently),

  77. @uhbygv
    Mexico, once you get away from the northern border, is super-nice. I've traveled there on pleasure and business countless times, spending a total of a year or so there.

    Once, returning to the U.S. through Texas after four months in Zacatecas, Zac., I found myself thinking, "Good Lord, what a shithole Texas is."

    I'm not trying to provoke the good readers here, but that was my gut-level reaction to the contrast.

    Most of Mexico is an unregenerate pisshole. The only nice parts are the parts devoid of Mexicans. Who, on the whole, are astonishingly ugly, stupid, and breathtakingly criminal.

    The scary thing is that they might actually be sending us their best. Pace Steve and Fred, because I know there are indeed a few hundred Castilians living behind walls and gates in Polanco.

  78. @Lars Porsena
    I would love to know the story behind that truck.

    Sometimes Mexico is awesome.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHxGYAXHbvg

    Um, are those Mexican Army sappers at work?

  79. @syonredux
    Fanny Calderon de la Barca describing women and education in early 19th century Mexico:

    "When very young, they occasionally attend the schools, where boys and girls learn to read in common, or any other accomplishment that the old women can teach them; but at twelve they are already considered too old to attend these promiscuous assemblages, and masters are got for drawing and music to finish their education. I asked a lady the other day if her daughter went to school. "Good heavens!" said she, quite shocked, "she is past eleven years old!" It frequently happens that the least well-informed girls are the children of the cleverest men, who, keeping to the customs of their forefathers, are content if they confess regularly, attend church constantly, and can embroider and sing a little. Where there are more extended ideas, it is chiefly amongst families who have travelled in Europe, and have seen the different education of women in foreign countries. Of these the fathers occasionally devote a short portion of their time to the instruction of their daughters, perhaps during their leisure evening moments, but it may easily be supposed that this desultory system has little real influence on the minds of the children. I do not think there are above half-a-dozen married women, or as many girls above fourteen, who, with the exception of the mass-book, read any one book through in the whole course of the year. They thus greatly simplify the system of education in the United States, where parties are frequently divided between the advocates for solid learning and those for superficial accomplishments; and according to whom it is difficult to amalgamate the solid beef of science with the sweet sauce of les beaux arts."
     
    LIFE IN MEXICO

    Well, it used to be the same pretty much everywhere at the time iin the West. Upper-class girls were destined for marriage or the nunnery, so they didn’t het to study past the age of 12. If you ask me, it was the right idea. Look where 150 years of women’s rights have taken us: a couple of generations before the dark age and the end of Western Civilization.

    • Agree: Neoconned
    • Replies: @syonredux

    Well, it used to be the same pretty much everywhere at the time iin the West.
     
    As the authoress notes, not in the Anglosphere.
    , @syonredux
    Further comments by Fanny Calderon de la Barca on Mexican women:

    Generally speaking, then, the Mexican Señoras and Señoritas write, read, and play a little, sew, and take care of their houses and children. When I say they read, I mean they know how to read; when I say they write; I do not mean that they can always spell; and when I say they play, I do not assert that they have generally a knowledge of music. If we compare their education with that of girls in England, or in the United States, it is not a comparison, but a contrast. Compare it with that of Spanish women, and we shall be less severe upon their far niente descendants. In the first place, the climate inclines every one to indolence, both physically and morally. One cannot pore over a book when the blue sky is constantly smiling in at the open windows; then, out of doors after ten o'clock, the sun gives us due warning of our tropical latitude, and even though the breeze is so fresh and pleasant, one has no inclination to walk or ride far. Whatever be the cause, I am convinced that it is impossible to take the same exercise with the mind or with the body in this country, as in Europe or in the northern states. Then as to schools, there are none that can deserve the name, and no governesses. Young girls can have no emulation, for they never meet. They have no public diversion, and no private amusement. There are a few good foreign masters, most of whom have come to Mexico for the purpose of making their fortune, by teaching, or marriage, or both, and whose object, naturally, is to make the most money in the shortest possible time, that they may return home and enjoy it. The children generally appear to have an extraordinary disposition for music and drawing, yet there are few girls who are proficient in either.
     
    , @S. Anonyia
    You haven’t read much European history, have you?

    12 was when education ended for middle class boys and girls- whether it was schools (boys) or in an apprenticeship (usually girls). Then they went to work until they married in their early 20s.

    Upper class girls (and their brothers more so, of course) were educated until they got married, and often pretty extensively in places like England, Holland and France (less so in peripheral countries). When they married depended on the era. Only in a very brief stint of the high Middle Ages was marriage at 12 remotely common. 15 was about as low as it went, and that was usually only for the princesses securing national alliances. A more typical country gentlewoman in England might marry around 18-22.

  80. @Carol
    This is very interesting, as I am finishing up the Conquest of New Spain by that Castillo guy. And re-reading 1491. Can anyone recommend other histories of the area, with maps?

    By God I would like to travel to So Mex if if weren't so scary. And I don't travel much anymore

    More modern stuff can provide interesting detail.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Martin-Luis-Guzman

    The Eagle and the Serpent has wonderful information about the Revolution in northern Mexico. Some years ago I made the acquaintance of a very effete grandchild of one of the sidekicks of Pancho Villa featuring in Guzman’s book.

    The great Spanish author Valle-Inclán produced maybe the first (and best) parody of the Revolution in “Tirano Banderas” later followed by the Mexican Jorge Ibarguengoitia in “Los relámpagos de agosto” (August Lightning) .

    Graham Greene “The Lawless Roads” and B. Traven (several) have interesting takes on early XX Century Mexico.

  81. @Coag
    No matter how much Mexico is torn to shreds the conquistadors can always reunite the country based on eternal war against Blue-Eyed Anglo Devils. “Remember El Draque!”

    We are in the middle of the 500th anniversary of Cortez’s conquest of the Aztecs. June 30 is the 500th anniversary of la noche triste.

  82. Anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carol
    This is very interesting, as I am finishing up the Conquest of New Spain by that Castillo guy. And re-reading 1491. Can anyone recommend other histories of the area, with maps?

    By God I would like to travel to So Mex if if weren't so scary. And I don't travel much anymore

    Graham Greene’s The Lawless Roads about the Cristero War and its aftermath is still well worth reading.

    https://archive.org/details/GreeneGrahamTheLawlessRoads/page/n4/mode/2up

    • Replies: @Alden
    There’s a great movie on Netflix about the Christero war. The Greater Glory starring Andy Garcia and Eva Longoria. Gorgeous clothes for the women, much much better than most 1920s period movies.

    Mexico did not legalize the catholic religion again till 1992
  83. @Old Prude
    What do you mean by DE Shaw “is completely worthless to most people”? That they only make money by gaming the markets?

    It’s unfortunate to see this kid go the quant route. With his outlook, he could be dynamite in private equity or the C-Suite.

    I’m reminded of a particular, innovative private equity turnaround strategy. It involves bringing in an all-American gentile CEO, who downsizes for several months, before turning things over to the successor CEO, who is now viewed as a savior by rank-and-file and ethnically aligned with the investors. I call this the Goyum Shuffle

    But if you’re lucky, you will see the Goyum Shuffle with a Bombay Twist. This is where a loyalist Indian CTO is brought in at the end. It reminds me of that passage from the Bhagavad Gita — “I am Vishnustein, destroyer of employee benefit programs.” A company called Shutterfly pulled one off in 2019. It was a work of art.

    The permutations we could run with this kid in 21st century high finance.

    • Agree: TomSchmidt
    • Thanks: Inverness
    • Replies: @JMcG
    I MUST know...who are you?
  84. Only slightly OT as it’s written by a Mexican journalist.
    Most entertaining story I’ve read since the Fraudci Virus hit.

    https://nationalfile.com/far-left-magazine-shuts-down-after-indian-migrant-editor-allegedly-rapes-antifa-activist/

  85. @anon
    Is part of Mexico under the church of Sodom?

    Is part of Mexico under the church of Sodom?

    One of the leaders of their revolution had nephews named Satan and Lucifer (in Spanish, of course.) Nice people!

    • Replies: @anon
    One of the leaders of their revolution had nephews named Satan and Lucifer (in Spanish, of course.)

    Interesting! Which leader was that, please?
  86. @anon
    Is part of Mexico under the church of Sodom?

    Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Mexico have expanded in recent years, in keeping with worldwide legal trends. The intellectual influence of the French Revolution and the brief French occupation of Mexico (1862–67) resulted in the adoption of the Napoleonic Code, which decriminalized same-sex sexual acts in 1871

    On 3 June 2015, the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation released a “jurisprudential thesis” in which the legal definition of marriage was changed to encompass same-sex couples. Laws restricting marriage to a man and a woman were deemed unconstitutional by the court and thus every justice provider in the nation must validate same-sex unions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Mexico

    Mexico’s LGBT rights are stronger than the US’s. Here’s why

    Mexico abolished most discriminatory legal distinctions based on sexual orientation long before the United States. Mexico decriminalised sodomy in 1871, more than 100 years before the US Supreme Court overturned anti-sodomy laws in 2003.

    The United States has no national antidiscrimination laws to protect LGBT people. In 2003 the Mexican Chamber of Deputies unanimously passed a national anti-discrimination law that included sexual orientation as a protected category, established a new agency to enforce the antidiscrimination law, and developed a national anti-homophobia campaign. Moreover, the first article of the Mexican Constitution prohibits discrimination based on “sexual preferences”. There is no explicit constitutional protection for sexual orientation in the United States.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/religion-the-state-and-the-states-explain-why-mexico-has-stronger-lgbt-rights-than-the-us

  87. @Prosa123
    Nova Scotia in particular got a substantial number of escaped slaves. Halifax long had the largest black population of any city in Canada, though Toronto and Montreal have far surpassed it.

    Halifax! I was wondering where those black hockey players hailed from. That must be it.

  88. @Hypnotoad666
    The people who read the press-release will assume that "valedictorian" denotes something objective, like the person with the highest GPA. But, of course, it turns out it's really a PR event based on who will bring the most positive publicity to the school. It's sort of like how Obama got to be Editor of the Harvard Law Review, or how he won the Nobel Prize.

    Truth in Advertising would label these achievements as what they are: a prize for being "really really smart for a Black guy."

    By the way, the Canadian Black guy's Jamaican mother (who is a doctor) is really proud of how he overcame American Slavery.

    https://www.stabroeknews.com/2020/05/12/news/regional/jamaica/jamaican-mom-proud-of-history-making-black-valedictorian-at-princeton-university/

    I looked his father up. He’s also from the Caribbean originally, from Barbados. He did his undergraduate and dental degree at McGill in Canada and went on to get an MD from New York Medical School. He works as a dental surgeon.

    This is all wonderful for these people but I can take no particular pleasure as an American in their son being valedictorian at Princeton.

    I wish that all the spectacular internships, jobs, connections and opportunities that were given to this Canadian had gone to a American black whose family had been here for hundreds of years. I would have been very happy to see that happen. Foreigners and immigrants are no substitutes for that.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @NOTA
    Impressive guy, and not surprising he’s so impressive given his parentage.
  89. @Cortes
    Perhaps try

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/901365.History_of_the_Conquest_of_Mexico

    by Prescott.

    The memoir of Cabeza de Vaca’s experiences as slave of various Indian groups and transformation into a sort of shaman and journey through what’s now the SE Gulf States and down, eventually, to Mexico City is also available in English I think. It’s fascinating.

    Internet archive has it.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Thanks. Will check it out. Long time since I had access to my copy in Spanish.
  90. @Old Prude
    What do you mean by DE Shaw “is completely worthless to most people”? That they only make money by gaming the markets?

    They do not “game” the markets. That is very challenging because it’s illegal. They just figure out what will mostly likely happen in the next microsecond, based upon mathematic modeling. It’s not really befitting someone with so much potential – particularly a black who may be able to win a medal in mathematics.

  91. @Red Blooded American Boomer
    It's unfortunate to see this kid go the quant route. With his outlook, he could be dynamite in private equity or the C-Suite.

    I’m reminded of a particular, innovative private equity turnaround strategy. It involves bringing in an all-American gentile CEO, who downsizes for several months, before turning things over to the successor CEO, who is now viewed as a savior by rank-and-file and ethnically aligned with the investors. I call this the Goyum Shuffle

    But if you're lucky, you will see the Goyum Shuffle with a Bombay Twist. This is where a loyalist Indian CTO is brought in at the end. It reminds me of that passage from the Bhagavad Gita — “I am Vishnustein, destroyer of employee benefit programs.” A company called Shutterfly pulled one off in 2019. It was a work of art.

    The permutations we could run with this kid in 21st century high finance.

    I MUST know…who are you?

    • Replies: @anon

    I MUST know…who are you?
     
    He's an Patriot, an true red-blooded American boomer.
    , @anon
    Titania McGrath's American cousin?
  92. @Peter D. Bredon
    STEM not "bs studies", yet being valedictorian is "open to a lot of subjective nonsense".

    Man, you IQ fetishists are hard to please.

    I'm guessing what you think is "subjective nonsense" is what the rest of us think separates us (real humans) from computers and IQ fetishists.

    You're welcome.

    As others have pointed out, valedictorian at Princeton is not the same as “Top of Class.” It’s a substantially more subjective measure that surely took into account his being black.

  93. @Lars Porsena
    I would love to know the story behind that truck.

    Sometimes Mexico is awesome.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHxGYAXHbvg

    This reminds me of the running of the bulls in Pamplona Spain or the grabbing of the shotguns in Georgia.

  94. @JMcG
    I MUST know...who are you?

    I MUST know…who are you?

    He’s an Patriot, an true red-blooded American boomer.

  95. @JMcG
    I MUST know...who are you?

    Titania McGrath’s American cousin?

  96. @Hockamaw
    For people who’ve actually spent time there, to what extent is Mexico actually a failed post-apocalyptic hellscape?

    Mexicans, in general, and in my estimation, are wonderful people. They have a beautiful nation and an interesting culture. But their culture is not mine and will never be, it is foreign to me. My daughters may embrace it, so be it. But it will never be mine.

    • Replies: @Flip
    From the Texas Declaration of Independence 1836

    These, and other grievances, were patiently borne by the people of Texas, untill they reached that point at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue. We then took up arms in defence of the national constitution. We appealed to our Mexican brethren for assistance. Our appeal has been made in vain. Though months have elapsed, no sympathetic response has yet been heard from the Interior. We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion, that the Mexican people have acquiesced in the destruction of their liberty, and the substitution therfor of a military government; that they are unfit to be free, and incapable of self government.
  97. I recently got blocked at Slate Star Codex for daring to suggest -in the midst of a wokefest where that rather un-self-aware group was praising to the skies white European heath care systems – that some countries are the sort of countries that people want to leave.

    I was making a fairly complicated point —- it is a lot easier to have a country where you can send about half your poor people out of the country than it is to have a country where you cannot do that.

    The Slate Star eggheads had gotten on my nerves, running on like a bunch of juvenile stooges about how great the British NHS was, compared to the US medical system.

    I could have been really rude, and asked them why the only foreign health services they praised again and again in their little woke world were in white countries, but I mixed it up a little for the little guys.

    I decided to leave their unconscious pro-white assumptions aside for the moment, and I asked them what the British Health Care system would be like if the British people had not, generation after generation, forced millions of their countrymen overseas, in a brutally selfish way?

    I think I was deleted, maybe I just forgot to hit send.

    Anyway, an important fact about Mexico is that tens of millions of Mexicans do not want to live anywhere near their fellow Mexicans. Very few countries experience this. When you understand that fact, you will understand the world a lot better than old Fred Reed. Don’t try and explain it to him, though, he just doesn’t listen.

    Of course you could say the same about many parts of urban America.

  98. @JohnnyWalker123
    Mexicans are basically 1970s era Americans.

    By the way, on a completely unrelated note, which character from Bonanza did you guys like best?

    Hoss?

    Little Joe?

    Hop Sing?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQjb_QiFbJE

    Here's a little known fact. Michael Landon was Jewish. His real name was Eugene Maurice Orowitz. According to him, Hop Sing was gay.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vA-1XnoUHM

    I’m partial to Hoss, played by Dan Blocker. His town of birth, Olney, Texas, used to have a memorial to him on the small town square, but the last couple of times I’ve driven by Olney the sign on the highway advertising the memorial was gone.

    The last time I was in Carlsbad (NM) High School (1966) they had pictures on the wall of Blocker and Tom Brookshire in their football uniforms.

    Who even know who Blocker and Brookshire were any more?

    • Replies: @prosa123
    What did Dan Blocker and Andy Warhol have in common?
    Both died from supposedly safe gall bladder surgery. True, both had special risks, Blocker was obese and Warhol had never fully recovered from gunshot injuries sustained years earlier.
    , @FPD72
    I’m a victim of alliteration. Blocker was born in O’Donnell, not Olney. Both are small, West Texas towns, although Olney seems to be doing much better.
  99. @anon
    >Once, returning to the U.S. through Texas after four months in Zacatecas, Zac., I found myself thinking, “Good Lord, what a shithole Texas is.”

    Me thinks you must have been under some kind of reverse culture shock or something. Maybe seeing strip malls and sprawl again turned you off. Or perhaps you were witnessing the worst of what the border towns have to offer.

    From my perspective, there's simply no objective comparison; the contrast in wealth jumps out at one instantly. Mexico is chock full of tiny abandoned-looking cinder block buildings (all with burglar bars) and hastily painted over graffiti.

    I was in El Paso once, and the contrast between it and Juarez was jarring.

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @AnonymousMillenarian
    He mentioned that anything *not near the border* is nice.
  100. @syonredux

    By the way, on a completely unrelated note, which character from Bonanza did you guys like best?
     
    Never could make it through an episode. The TV Western character that I like best is Paladin:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3R3OaaIcJQ


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDsgFyfk36I

    Richard Boone (aka Paladin) was a lineal descendant of Daniel Boone. Unfortunately he was both a political and cultural liberal!

  101. @BB753
    No offense meant, but I can tell you haven't traveled much. Those five groups look only vaguely similar. Give me ten random individuals of said groups and it's pretty easy to tell them apart.
    Or perhaps I misundertood you. What are "Eastern Europeans of the Slavic-Turkic type"? What do you mean by "New World" Hispanics"?

    In my experience there’s a slight Venn diagram overlap between Europeans, whether southern or eastern or anything else, and Middle Easterners/North Africans. I’m not going to try to guess percentages except to say that if it’s more than 5% I’d be extremely surprised. Even Turks, the lightest of all MENA’s, generally look different from whites.
    Now, I have noticed occasional looks overlaps between Hispanics and MENA’s, but it’s still far from the norm. For some reasons it’s more common among women.

  102. @FPD72
    I’m partial to Hoss, played by Dan Blocker. His town of birth, Olney, Texas, used to have a memorial to him on the small town square, but the last couple of times I’ve driven by Olney the sign on the highway advertising the memorial was gone.

    The last time I was in Carlsbad (NM) High School (1966) they had pictures on the wall of Blocker and Tom Brookshire in their football uniforms.

    Who even know who Blocker and Brookshire were any more?

    What did Dan Blocker and Andy Warhol have in common?
    Both died from supposedly safe gall bladder surgery. True, both had special risks, Blocker was obese and Warhol had never fully recovered from gunshot injuries sustained years earlier.

  103. @anon
    >Once, returning to the U.S. through Texas after four months in Zacatecas, Zac., I found myself thinking, “Good Lord, what a shithole Texas is.”

    Me thinks you must have been under some kind of reverse culture shock or something. Maybe seeing strip malls and sprawl again turned you off. Or perhaps you were witnessing the worst of what the border towns have to offer.

    From my perspective, there's simply no objective comparison; the contrast in wealth jumps out at one instantly. Mexico is chock full of tiny abandoned-looking cinder block buildings (all with burglar bars) and hastily painted over graffiti.

    In 2008 (it probably hasn’t changed) I saw that sort of mind boggling contrast between Laredo, Texas and Nuevo Laredo, Mexico. Although downtown Laredo, where we parked to walk over the Rio Grande bridge, seemed slightly rundown, it was pure magnificence compared to Nuevo Laredo. Absolute filth and squalor. Our plans to spend the afternoon and maybe have dinner in Mexico quickly evaporated, and we returned to the US side after maybe 15 or 20 minutes.

  104. @BB753
    Well, it used to be the same pretty much everywhere at the time iin the West. Upper-class girls were destined for marriage or the nunnery, so they didn't het to study past the age of 12. If you ask me, it was the right idea. Look where 150 years of women's rights have taken us: a couple of generations before the dark age and the end of Western Civilization.

    Well, it used to be the same pretty much everywhere at the time iin the West.

    As the authoress notes, not in the Anglosphere.

  105. @BB753
    Well, it used to be the same pretty much everywhere at the time iin the West. Upper-class girls were destined for marriage or the nunnery, so they didn't het to study past the age of 12. If you ask me, it was the right idea. Look where 150 years of women's rights have taken us: a couple of generations before the dark age and the end of Western Civilization.

    Further comments by Fanny Calderon de la Barca on Mexican women:

    Generally speaking, then, the Mexican Señoras and Señoritas write, read, and play a little, sew, and take care of their houses and children. When I say they read, I mean they know how to read; when I say they write; I do not mean that they can always spell; and when I say they play, I do not assert that they have generally a knowledge of music. If we compare their education with that of girls in England, or in the United States, it is not a comparison, but a contrast. Compare it with that of Spanish women, and we shall be less severe upon their far niente descendants. In the first place, the climate inclines every one to indolence, both physically and morally. One cannot pore over a book when the blue sky is constantly smiling in at the open windows; then, out of doors after ten o’clock, the sun gives us due warning of our tropical latitude, and even though the breeze is so fresh and pleasant, one has no inclination to walk or ride far. Whatever be the cause, I am convinced that it is impossible to take the same exercise with the mind or with the body in this country, as in Europe or in the northern states. Then as to schools, there are none that can deserve the name, and no governesses. Young girls can have no emulation, for they never meet. They have no public diversion, and no private amusement. There are a few good foreign masters, most of whom have come to Mexico for the purpose of making their fortune, by teaching, or marriage, or both, and whose object, naturally, is to make the most money in the shortest possible time, that they may return home and enjoy it. The children generally appear to have an extraordinary disposition for music and drawing, yet there are few girls who are proficient in either.

    • Thanks: BB753
  106. Here’s a funny description of the 7 parts of Texas (from the movie Bernie with Jack Black):

  107. What a stupid comment by Rahan, Ignorant.

  108. @syonredux

    By the way, on a completely unrelated note, which character from Bonanza did you guys like best?
     
    Never could make it through an episode. The TV Western character that I like best is Paladin:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3R3OaaIcJQ


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDsgFyfk36I

    Best theme song ever.

  109. @SafeNow
    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/410/cpsprodpb/3208/production/_107380821_us_unauthorised_immigration_pop_640-nc.png

    Those are interesting and clever maps in the essay, but they fail to depict the rest of Mexico, Mexico Al Norte. Signing-off from LeafblowerFornia, where a “mattress in lane” traffic jam is a commonplace.

    The map is misleading. Here in New Jersey There are less than 120,000 Mexicans.

    60% of the Mexicans live in 2 states, CA and TX. The Mexican population East of the Mississippi remains pretty small.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Lots of Mexicans in Chicago
  110. @JMcG
    I was in Mexico on a climbing trip twenty years ago now. We stayed with a member of the upper class in Mexico. I was slack jawed with astonishment at how nice everything was. The most beautiful girl I’ve ever seen in person was seated next to me at a wedding to which we were invited. The food was wonderful, the people charming. But the shanty towns lining the hillsides were ever present.

    American is becoming a Latin American type country with the rich getting richer and much of the middle and working class getting poorer. Less rule of law, crony capitalism, a racially mixed population, and (very soon) a weak currency and high inflation. I own lots of gold myself.

  111. @SafeNow
    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/410/cpsprodpb/3208/production/_107380821_us_unauthorised_immigration_pop_640-nc.png

    Those are interesting and clever maps in the essay, but they fail to depict the rest of Mexico, Mexico Al Norte. Signing-off from LeafblowerFornia, where a “mattress in lane” traffic jam is a commonplace.

    Ah. Montana is awesome isn’t it?

    I knew I wanted to move here since I was 7.

  112. @Rahan
    I've been musing lately about the difference between:
    1) New World Hispanics
    2) Southern Europeans
    3) Eastern Europeans of the Slavic-Turkic type
    4) North Africans and Middle Easterners
    5) Caucasus mountains people (Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan)


    These people look the same. If you dress them the same, and give them the same haircuts, until they open their mouths, they're bloody identical. They even have quite similar average IQ rankings. Sure some are Muslims while others Christians, but still...

    How come the homicide rates of Romanians and Moldovans and Spaniards and Italians are so much lower than those of New World Hispanics?

    I'm starting to think that the difference between Old World "darkie whites" and New World "darkie whites", is that the Old World ones got a serious genetic culling through the 20th century conflicts, which the New World ones did not have.

    Same way the Stalinist/Maoist decades purged the gang rapists & their village elder power base, that remained in place in say India or Bangladesh...

    Maybe if Mexico or Guatemala had lived through a world war or two and then a stalinism or three, the disfunctional lower tier psychopath populace would have been mostly erased in the process, leaving behind mostly normal folks who can control their impulses and plan long term, and higher functioning psychopaths who are busy with loftier things than beheading bus drivers etc.

    Sorry Rahan, you’re using Occam’s Butterknife again.

    The razor says New World darkie Whites are admixed with Amerinds, such as Aztecs. A people so vicious they did their human sacrifices with obsidian knives, and ripped out the still-beating heart. \

  113. Flip says:
    @Neil Templeton
    Mexicans, in general, and in my estimation, are wonderful people. They have a beautiful nation and an interesting culture. But their culture is not mine and will never be, it is foreign to me. My daughters may embrace it, so be it. But it will never be mine.

    From the Texas Declaration of Independence 1836

    These, and other grievances, were patiently borne by the people of Texas, untill they reached that point at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue. We then took up arms in defence of the national constitution. We appealed to our Mexican brethren for assistance. Our appeal has been made in vain. Though months have elapsed, no sympathetic response has yet been heard from the Interior. We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion, that the Mexican people have acquiesced in the destruction of their liberty, and the substitution therfor of a military government; that they are unfit to be free, and incapable of self government.

  114. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    The map is misleading. Here in New Jersey There are less than 120,000 Mexicans.

    60% of the Mexicans live in 2 states, CA and TX. The Mexican population East of the Mississippi remains pretty small.

    Lots of Mexicans in Chicago

  115. @prosa123
    Explains something I always wondered about. When I lived in Chicago in the early 1980’s many of the Mexicans were from Campeche and the Mexican food was excellent. When I moved to the Bay area, I found the Mexican food was quite mediocre. I found that quite surprising.

    My suspicion is that when an ethnic food style becomes more popular and mainstream in the US its quality tends to go down. Consider sushi, a few decades ago something special made by highly trained chefs, today you can get premade stuff in supermarkets.

    Many “Mexican” restaurants around here are run by Venezuelans, Salvadorans, Costa Ricans…with mostly Guatemalan workers….whatever cuisine it is, it’s good and better than Mexican food I’ve had anywhere other than Texas.

  116. @prosa123
    Explains something I always wondered about. When I lived in Chicago in the early 1980’s many of the Mexicans were from Campeche and the Mexican food was excellent. When I moved to the Bay area, I found the Mexican food was quite mediocre. I found that quite surprising.

    My suspicion is that when an ethnic food style becomes more popular and mainstream in the US its quality tends to go down. Consider sushi, a few decades ago something special made by highly trained chefs, today you can get premade stuff in supermarkets.

    Many “Mexican” restaurants around here are run by Venezuelans, Salvadorans, Costa Ricans…with mostly Guatemalan workers….whatever cuisine it is, it’s good and better than Mexican food I’ve had anywhere other than Texas.

  117. @BB753
    Well, it used to be the same pretty much everywhere at the time iin the West. Upper-class girls were destined for marriage or the nunnery, so they didn't het to study past the age of 12. If you ask me, it was the right idea. Look where 150 years of women's rights have taken us: a couple of generations before the dark age and the end of Western Civilization.

    You haven’t read much European history, have you?

    12 was when education ended for middle class boys and girls- whether it was schools (boys) or in an apprenticeship (usually girls). Then they went to work until they married in their early 20s.

    Upper class girls (and their brothers more so, of course) were educated until they got married, and often pretty extensively in places like England, Holland and France (less so in peripheral countries). When they married depended on the era. Only in a very brief stint of the high Middle Ages was marriage at 12 remotely common. 15 was about as low as it went, and that was usually only for the princesses securing national alliances. A more typical country gentlewoman in England might marry around 18-22.

    • Replies: @BB753
    Where did I say that women married at twelve years old? It was certainly legal according to the Catholic Church, but only among the nobles for dinastic alliance purposes and were probably seldom consummated that early to avoid miscarriages and birth delivery problems.
    I merely said that upper class women did not pursue higher education because that would have been pointless. They were taught to be good wives according to their social standing. That is, the reverse of what they learn today in college.
  118. @BenKenobi
    I was in El Paso once, and the contrast between it and Juarez was jarring.

    He mentioned that anything *not near the border* is nice.

  119. @FPD72
    I’m partial to Hoss, played by Dan Blocker. His town of birth, Olney, Texas, used to have a memorial to him on the small town square, but the last couple of times I’ve driven by Olney the sign on the highway advertising the memorial was gone.

    The last time I was in Carlsbad (NM) High School (1966) they had pictures on the wall of Blocker and Tom Brookshire in their football uniforms.

    Who even know who Blocker and Brookshire were any more?

    I’m a victim of alliteration. Blocker was born in O’Donnell, not Olney. Both are small, West Texas towns, although Olney seems to be doing much better.

  120. @Lars Porsena
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbyTi6-6oEs

    Tultelpec, Mexico. 300 tons of fireworks in a shed blow up, burn down half the town, killing many people. Next year: upgrade shed to double cinder block. 450 tons.

    Something tells me an ophthalmologist could make a decent living in mexico.

  121. @Inverness
    It reads that they choose two 'OF' the highest-ranking members of the graduating class. So really it's about the faculty choosing for valedictorian whichever student makes them feel best about themselves.


    Time was, words like "valedictorian" actually meant something. But then that was also true of words like "Princeton".

    Was this not true in previous years, though? If you have many people with perfect grades, you have to choose one, right?

  122. @notsaying
    I looked his father up. He's also from the Caribbean originally, from Barbados. He did his undergraduate and dental degree at McGill in Canada and went on to get an MD from New York Medical School. He works as a dental surgeon.

    This is all wonderful for these people but I can take no particular pleasure as an American in their son being valedictorian at Princeton.

    I wish that all the spectacular internships, jobs, connections and opportunities that were given to this Canadian had gone to a American black whose family had been here for hundreds of years. I would have been very happy to see that happen. Foreigners and immigrants are no substitutes for that.

    Impressive guy, and not surprising he’s so impressive given his parentage.

    • Agree: notsaying
  123. @anon
    Is part of Mexico under the church of Sodom?

    Yes, and it looks like it’s the same people that want cheese with their quesadillas.

  124. @S. Anonyia
    You haven’t read much European history, have you?

    12 was when education ended for middle class boys and girls- whether it was schools (boys) or in an apprenticeship (usually girls). Then they went to work until they married in their early 20s.

    Upper class girls (and their brothers more so, of course) were educated until they got married, and often pretty extensively in places like England, Holland and France (less so in peripheral countries). When they married depended on the era. Only in a very brief stint of the high Middle Ages was marriage at 12 remotely common. 15 was about as low as it went, and that was usually only for the princesses securing national alliances. A more typical country gentlewoman in England might marry around 18-22.

    Where did I say that women married at twelve years old? It was certainly legal according to the Catholic Church, but only among the nobles for dinastic alliance purposes and were probably seldom consummated that early to avoid miscarriages and birth delivery problems.
    I merely said that upper class women did not pursue higher education because that would have been pointless. They were taught to be good wives according to their social standing. That is, the reverse of what they learn today in college.

  125. @Cortes
    Perhaps try

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/901365.History_of_the_Conquest_of_Mexico

    by Prescott.

    The memoir of Cabeza de Vaca’s experiences as slave of various Indian groups and transformation into a sort of shaman and journey through what’s now the SE Gulf States and down, eventually, to Mexico City is also available in English I think. It’s fascinating.

    Thanks, just added it to my Christmas book list .

  126. @Anonymous
    Graham Greene's The Lawless Roads about the Cristero War and its aftermath is still well worth reading.

    https://archive.org/details/GreeneGrahamTheLawlessRoads/page/n4/mode/2up

    There’s a great movie on Netflix about the Christero war. The Greater Glory starring Andy Garcia and Eva Longoria. Gorgeous clothes for the women, much much better than most 1920s period movies.

    Mexico did not legalize the catholic religion again till 1992

  127. @Dtbb
    Internet archive has it.

    Thanks. Will check it out. Long time since I had access to my copy in Spanish.

  128. Rob says:
    @JMcG
    I was in Mexico on a climbing trip twenty years ago now. We stayed with a member of the upper class in Mexico. I was slack jawed with astonishment at how nice everything was. The most beautiful girl I’ve ever seen in person was seated next to me at a wedding to which we were invited. The food was wonderful, the people charming. But the shanty towns lining the hillsides were ever present.

    I think this is the real motivation from the upper and professional-managerial classes behind the Mexicanization in particular and immigration in general. They learn from trips to Latin America or from wealthy international students at college that rich Americans have McMansions and once a week maids, in contrast to the estates and household staff of wealthy third worlders. Women especially learn how much help rich and even professional-managerial class women have in housework and child rearing, and it is mighty appealing.

    Even the more analytic among them reason that with the healthier culture here, coupled with law-abiding middle and working classes, and up until March, our roaring economy, and think that all that can be brought here with none of the drawbacks. ‘Sure, Mexican law-enforcement is 2/3rds incompetent and 3/4ths corrupt, but American cops are honest and good at their jobs. We’ll get only good things out of immigration.’ No one offers cops bribes over speeding tickets (do they? It’s never crossed my mind.) We can have all Mexico

    They fail to realize that it often takes, what, forty years for cultures to respond to changes in incentives. Take family life. Most people are at least mildly traditionalist in that they want to raise their kids in circumstances similar to the ones in which they were raised, so even if the government is divorce raping married men, middle-class men wanted to get married. Those men got screwed by divorce (NB Rosie, no need to reply to this. I am sure those men were all pigs who deserved every bad thing that ever happened to them). Their sons weren’t raised by their fathers, so they are much less interested in family life. The situation is similar with their daughters, and the fun, sexy dark men they enjoy effing so much wouldn’t make good fathers anyway (Whiskey, you don’t have to reply to this comment either).

    Take politicians, yesterday’s politicians were venal, sure, but they couldn’t expect corporate sinecures in total non-payment for services rendered. So people looking to be corrupt didn’t look towards politics. But Senator is a much more lucrative position today, and the corrupt have filled the ranks of the legislature.

    Not to mention that Mexico maintains what little semblance of civilization it does maintain through rigorously excluding the more Indio Mestizos from important positions. In America, we ensure that incompetent minorities can be found everywhere, lest people start noticing how low-functioning they are. I would bet that Mexican universities ensure that matriculating students are up to snuff. That or they weed them out, or make sure the dumbest fail the exit exams, or don’t secure professional licenses. We used to do that, but the more diverse states are hard at work eliminating standards at every level. Once the Boomer liberals who are fans of meritocracy are fully replaced by progressives who consider the mere concept of meritocracy to be profoundly insulting to pocs and the memory of Emett Till, all standards will be chucked to ensure that non-whites are represented in proportion to their share of the population of the relevant age category.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @JMcG
    Good Lord- the worst of Mexico and the worst of the US. I’m truly glad I won’t live to see it. I cannot imagine being desirous of household servants. The house in which I stayed in Mexico City had a housekeeper/cook. She was delightful, wonderfully kind. Every morning a tray of fruit and juice would appear outside the door to my room, unbidden. Well, unbidden by me, that is. I’m sure she was happy to have a safe, fairly easy job. In a way, it’s not so different from being a nurse or a teacher. But I could never be comfortable being waited on hand and foot.
  129. @Reg Cæsar

    Is part of Mexico under the church of Sodom?
     
    One of the leaders of their revolution had nephews named Satan and Lucifer (in Spanish, of course.) Nice people!

    One of the leaders of their revolution had nephews named Satan and Lucifer (in Spanish, of course.)

    Interesting! Which leader was that, please?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Tomás Garrido Canabal, revolutionary governor of Tabasco. Various reports differ on whether Satan and Lucifer were his sons or his nephews, or one of each.


    https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/l648-fyt/tomas-garrido-canabal-1890-1943

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/tomas_garrido_canabal

    "In true Marxist fashion, he renamed his capital city, San Juan Bautista (St. John the Baptist), to Villa Hermosa (beautiful villa), and named his children Lenin, Lucifer, and Satan. His business card identified him as 'The Personal Enemy of God.'"

    https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfmid=7826


    "Garrido Canabal, until recently Minister of Agriculture, and long a bitter opponent of the church and all its works, has just been sent into exile. He it was who named his three sons Lenin, Lucifer and Satan, and while Governor of Tabasco ordered that church images be seized and burned and that crosses be removed from monuments and graveyards."

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/mexico/1935-10-01/roots-mexican-church-conflict
  130. JMcG says:
    @Rob
    I think this is the real motivation from the upper and professional-managerial classes behind the Mexicanization in particular and immigration in general. They learn from trips to Latin America or from wealthy international students at college that rich Americans have McMansions and once a week maids, in contrast to the estates and household staff of wealthy third worlders. Women especially learn how much help rich and even professional-managerial class women have in housework and child rearing, and it is mighty appealing.

    Even the more analytic among them reason that with the healthier culture here, coupled with law-abiding middle and working classes, and up until March, our roaring economy, and think that all that can be brought here with none of the drawbacks. ‘Sure, Mexican law-enforcement is 2/3rds incompetent and 3/4ths corrupt, but American cops are honest and good at their jobs. We’ll get only good things out of immigration.’ No one offers cops bribes over speeding tickets (do they? It’s never crossed my mind.) We can have all Mexico

    They fail to realize that it often takes, what, forty years for cultures to respond to changes in incentives. Take family life. Most people are at least mildly traditionalist in that they want to raise their kids in circumstances similar to the ones in which they were raised, so even if the government is divorce raping married men, middle-class men wanted to get married. Those men got screwed by divorce (NB Rosie, no need to reply to this. I am sure those men were all pigs who deserved every bad thing that ever happened to them). Their sons weren’t raised by their fathers, so they are much less interested in family life. The situation is similar with their daughters, and the fun, sexy dark men they enjoy effing so much wouldn’t make good fathers anyway (Whiskey, you don’t have to reply to this comment either).

    Take politicians, yesterday’s politicians were venal, sure, but they couldn’t expect corporate sinecures in total non-payment for services rendered. So people looking to be corrupt didn’t look towards politics. But Senator is a much more lucrative position today, and the corrupt have filled the ranks of the legislature.

    Not to mention that Mexico maintains what little semblance of civilization it does maintain through rigorously excluding the more Indio Mestizos from important positions. In America, we ensure that incompetent minorities can be found everywhere, lest people start noticing how low-functioning they are. I would bet that Mexican universities ensure that matriculating students are up to snuff. That or they weed them out, or make sure the dumbest fail the exit exams, or don’t secure professional licenses. We used to do that, but the more diverse states are hard at work eliminating standards at every level. Once the Boomer liberals who are fans of meritocracy are fully replaced by progressives who consider the mere concept of meritocracy to be profoundly insulting to pocs and the memory of Emett Till, all standards will be chucked to ensure that non-whites are represented in proportion to their share of the population of the relevant age category.

    Good Lord- the worst of Mexico and the worst of the US. I’m truly glad I won’t live to see it. I cannot imagine being desirous of household servants. The house in which I stayed in Mexico City had a housekeeper/cook. She was delightful, wonderfully kind. Every morning a tray of fruit and juice would appear outside the door to my room, unbidden. Well, unbidden by me, that is. I’m sure she was happy to have a safe, fairly easy job. In a way, it’s not so different from being a nurse or a teacher. But I could never be comfortable being waited on hand and foot.

  131. @anon
    One of the leaders of their revolution had nephews named Satan and Lucifer (in Spanish, of course.)

    Interesting! Which leader was that, please?

    Tomás Garrido Canabal, revolutionary governor of Tabasco. Various reports differ on whether Satan and Lucifer were his sons or his nephews, or one of each.

    https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/l648-fyt/tomas-garrido-canabal-1890-1943

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/tomas_garrido_canabal

    “In true Marxist fashion, he renamed his capital city, San Juan Bautista (St. John the Baptist), to Villa Hermosa (beautiful villa), and named his children Lenin, Lucifer, and Satan. His business card identified him as ‘The Personal Enemy of God.’”

    https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfmid=7826

    “Garrido Canabal, until recently Minister of Agriculture, and long a bitter opponent of the church and all its works, has just been sent into exile. He it was who named his three sons Lenin, Lucifer and Satan, and while Governor of Tabasco ordered that church images be seized and burned and that crosses be removed from monuments and graveyards.”

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/mexico/1935-10-01/roots-mexican-church-conflict

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