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Razib has been having fun with the whole Taylor Swift’s Silence meme lately.

But some of these could potentially get her in trouble with the Editorial Board of The Guardian:

Katharine Viner, The Guardian’s editor-in-chief and former Cosmo staffer, doesn’t know what that means, but it kinda sounds Nazi or, at minimum, like a dig at Beyonce …

 
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  1. TS clearly for P=NP.

    She’s never said otherwise.

    QED.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @eric

    You win unz.com. Let's call it a wrap.

    , @El Dato
    @eric

    The would mean a perfect political system can be reliably found within a few hours!!

    Also, the completion of the program of German Idealism!

  2. “Now the Sirens have a still more fatal weapon than their song, namely their silence… Someone might possibly have escaped from their singing; but from their silence, certainly never.” – Franz Kafka, The Silence of the Sirens

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @syonredux

    Outstanding. Excellent reference. Apt.

  3. peeps you are doing rhetoric. go “kiss”:

    “T. Swift’s silence on – the proper orientation of toilet paper installation is deeply troubling.”

  4. “T. Swift’s silence on – whether a penny saved is a penny earned is deeply troubling.”

  5. Taylor Swift supposedly hit it big as a country act, but I can’t name a single Taylor Swift song. And I listen to country exclusively (that being said, it’s mostly old classic country like Merle Haggard and Hank Jr.) But still… I have no idea who the hell she even is, except that now she’s some kind of synth-pop act, which means that the probability that I will ever hear one of her songs is almost statistically zero.

    Anyway… whoever coined the (somewhat oxymoronic) phrase “shut up and sing” vis-a-vis the Dixie Chicks kerfluffle back in the Bush years had it right.

    When they’re not performing, musicians are singularly stupid. Socrates observed that the musicians and poets couldn’t tell him objectively what made a piece of music “good.” He believed that music had the effect of short-circuiting the analytical reasoning process and appealed directly to emotions. Therefore, he regarded it as a danger that must be highly censored in The Republic.

    Whatever musicians do or don’t say when they’re not performing is perfectly irrelevant to anything…

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Dr. X

    This is one of the songs she's best known for:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4iX5D9Z64&list=PL1CbxROoA2JiVzg9zu_AkVHZR9S8mHhzh&index=14

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kylie, @BB753

    , @Glaivester
    @Dr. X

    Laura Ingraham, I believe. At least, she named a book after it.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Dr. X


    it’s mostly old classic country like Merle Haggard and Hank Jr
     
    "Classic" and "junior" don't go together. Try Porter Wagoner or Red Sovine (who'd be Ginger Sovine across the Pond). Or Red Foley or Tex Ritter or Bob Wills or Spade Cooley.

    Replies: @Patrick Harris, @Dr. X, @J1234

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Dr. X

    This won song of the year at the CMAs a few weeks ago. Swift wrote it.
    https://youtu.be/ph9NQ8ASmX4

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @Dr. X

    I kinda like this one, but it may be a chick thing:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4iX5D9Z64

    , @AnotherDad
    @Dr. X


    When they’re not performing, musicians are singularly stupid. Socrates observed that the musicians and poets couldn’t tell him objectively what made a piece of music “good.” He believed that music had the effect of short-circuiting the analytical reasoning process and appealed directly to emotions. Therefore, he regarded it as a danger that must be highly censored in The Republic.
     
    Thanks Dr. X. Excellent point. I'm more of a technically trained guy (physics) and never got to (or forgot) this Socrates observation in my Ancient Philosophy class, nor in any outside reading (which leans more toward history). But it's good to know Socrates was on the case with the "short circuiting" problem 2400+ years ago. Our ancestral intellectuals seem a lot smarter than our modern ones.

    Music is fun, entertaining, but it basically about emotion and mood. It's a ridiculous/terrible mental input when making some decision like marching off to war or getting married or immigration policy.

    Ditto "art" generally. For instance the Emma Lazarus poem/polemic paints this sunshiny picture, but is absolutely daft as any sort of serious thought about who--if anyone--you'd want to invite into your nation. (Which should be about very long term consequences.)

    There's no getting around the truth of republicanism. Decisions are best made by mature, responsible men of substance who have "skin in the game" and are the patriarchs and "owners" of the nation, exercising reasoned conservative judgment given thorough discussion and argument with the best facts available.

    The sheer shrill silliness we get now, ladled out with buckets of emotive blather is beyond appalling.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  6. Swift’s silence is warrented. I found her theory of the role feng shui should play in military strategy to be way off base.

  7. • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Hail

    I didn't know her. From Wikipedia: "Panahi is a single mother by choice and an atheist."

    We're winning.

    Replies: @Hail, @Reg Cæsar

  8. @Dr. X
    Taylor Swift supposedly hit it big as a country act, but I can't name a single Taylor Swift song. And I listen to country exclusively (that being said, it's mostly old classic country like Merle Haggard and Hank Jr.) But still... I have no idea who the hell she even is, except that now she's some kind of synth-pop act, which means that the probability that I will ever hear one of her songs is almost statistically zero.

    Anyway... whoever coined the (somewhat oxymoronic) phrase "shut up and sing" vis-a-vis the Dixie Chicks kerfluffle back in the Bush years had it right.

    When they're not performing, musicians are singularly stupid. Socrates observed that the musicians and poets couldn't tell him objectively what made a piece of music "good." He believed that music had the effect of short-circuiting the analytical reasoning process and appealed directly to emotions. Therefore, he regarded it as a danger that must be highly censored in The Republic.

    Whatever musicians do or don't say when they're not performing is perfectly irrelevant to anything...

    Replies: @Anon, @Glaivester, @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Rosamond Vincy, @AnotherDad

    This is one of the songs she’s best known for:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Taylor: "Uh, I would very much like to be excluded from this narrative."

    Gandalf: "So do I, and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."

    , @Kylie
    @Anon

    I had never heard Taylor Swift perform before so I clicked on this video yesterday. I wasn't able to get through the whole thing but I still like her for being slim, blonde and pretty.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Lex

    , @BB753
    @Anon

    Surely that's her worst song, right? What utter drivel! Nice voice though.

  9. @Dr. X
    Taylor Swift supposedly hit it big as a country act, but I can't name a single Taylor Swift song. And I listen to country exclusively (that being said, it's mostly old classic country like Merle Haggard and Hank Jr.) But still... I have no idea who the hell she even is, except that now she's some kind of synth-pop act, which means that the probability that I will ever hear one of her songs is almost statistically zero.

    Anyway... whoever coined the (somewhat oxymoronic) phrase "shut up and sing" vis-a-vis the Dixie Chicks kerfluffle back in the Bush years had it right.

    When they're not performing, musicians are singularly stupid. Socrates observed that the musicians and poets couldn't tell him objectively what made a piece of music "good." He believed that music had the effect of short-circuiting the analytical reasoning process and appealed directly to emotions. Therefore, he regarded it as a danger that must be highly censored in The Republic.

    Whatever musicians do or don't say when they're not performing is perfectly irrelevant to anything...

    Replies: @Anon, @Glaivester, @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Rosamond Vincy, @AnotherDad

    Laura Ingraham, I believe. At least, she named a book after it.

  10. Funny. Humor and ridicule are the best weapons.

  11. Yeah, this is a low effort comment, but… I actually don’t think I’ve ever seen this posted here… that’s my excuse…. and I’ve had a few beers…

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonymous

    I posted it once before, but it is comedy gold, and always applicable to the current zeitgeist. A very funny movie.

  12. Taylor’s silence must make it easy to sleep next to her. She probably doesn’t fart either.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Taylor’s silence must make it easy to sleep next to her. She probably doesn’t fart either.
     
    You know what they say-- women aren't allowed to sneeze, belch, cough or fart. If they didn't bitch, they'd explode.

    Replies: @helena

  13. • Replies: @AKAHorace
    @NickG

    7/10. Should I be worried ?

    Your results:


    1-3 Correct: Obviously, Hitler and Taylor are confusing.

    4-7 Correct: You know your stuff. In fact, might know too much about Hitler or Taylor Swift.

    8-10 Correct: You frighten us.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @reiner Tor
    @NickG

    I got 8/10.

    , @ThreeCranes
    @NickG

    Who said it, Swift or Hitler?

    1) Oh, excuse me.

    2) It looks cold outside today, I'd better wear a coat.

    3) Mom, I love you.

    4) Dang, summer vacation went so fast.

    5) Should I wear a light color or a dark one?

    6) My car won't start.

    7) My little brother can be a pain in the butt.

    8) Why is Dad so grumpy when he gets home from work?

    9) Is your dog friendly?

    10) Uh oh, is that dandruff on my shoulder?

    , @Not Raul
    @NickG

    I also got 6/10. Tough quiz.

  14. OT: The National Dog Show is being shown on TV, and the NYT should have a reporter or columnist to address the lack of diversity in the human breeds. There are virtually no non-white people either as owners, handlers, judges, commentators or in the audience. Maybe the Times can work in some political overtones, too.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    @Ivy

    i assume homosexuals are over-represented.

    (At least according to my cursory research re-watching "Best In Show".)

    Replies: @CK, @Anon

  15. I personally am disappointed on her silence on The bed nucleus of the stria terminalus (BSTc) and sexually dimorphic nucleus of transgender women.

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @Dr. X

    This is one of the songs she's best known for:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4iX5D9Z64&list=PL1CbxROoA2JiVzg9zu_AkVHZR9S8mHhzh&index=14

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kylie, @BB753

    Taylor: “Uh, I would very much like to be excluded from this narrative.”

    Gandalf: “So do I, and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

    • LOL: Autochthon
  17. @Dr. X
    Taylor Swift supposedly hit it big as a country act, but I can't name a single Taylor Swift song. And I listen to country exclusively (that being said, it's mostly old classic country like Merle Haggard and Hank Jr.) But still... I have no idea who the hell she even is, except that now she's some kind of synth-pop act, which means that the probability that I will ever hear one of her songs is almost statistically zero.

    Anyway... whoever coined the (somewhat oxymoronic) phrase "shut up and sing" vis-a-vis the Dixie Chicks kerfluffle back in the Bush years had it right.

    When they're not performing, musicians are singularly stupid. Socrates observed that the musicians and poets couldn't tell him objectively what made a piece of music "good." He believed that music had the effect of short-circuiting the analytical reasoning process and appealed directly to emotions. Therefore, he regarded it as a danger that must be highly censored in The Republic.

    Whatever musicians do or don't say when they're not performing is perfectly irrelevant to anything...

    Replies: @Anon, @Glaivester, @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Rosamond Vincy, @AnotherDad

    it’s mostly old classic country like Merle Haggard and Hank Jr

    “Classic” and “junior” don’t go together. Try Porter Wagoner or Red Sovine (who’d be Ginger Sovine across the Pond). Or Red Foley or Tex Ritter or Bob Wills or Spade Cooley.

    • Replies: @Patrick Harris
    @Reg Cæsar

    "Whiskey Bent and Hellbound" was a great album. It's been mostly schlock for him since then, with a few bright spots.

    , @Dr. X
    @Reg Cæsar


    Try Porter Wagoner or Red Sovine (who’d be Ginger Sovine across the Pond). Or Red Foley or Tex Ritter or Bob Wills or Spade Cooley.
     
    Agreed, and to that list one could add Ernest Tubb, Hank Thompson, Patsy Cline, Marty Robbins.

    Still, the "outlaw" stuff that made Hank Jr. big dates back to the early 1970s, and that's getting to be pretty "classic" as we approach 2020...

    Replies: @Ivy

    , @J1234
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, have you heard the Louvin Borthers? I'd heard about them for decades, but had never heard them until youtube (recently.) This live TV performance is the best recording of theirs that I've found.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT3ZInKueo4

    Ernest Tubb is still probably my favorite, though.

    As to Taylor's silence, that's why I painted my '63 Olds a racist shade of white. She didn't tell me not to.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  18. @Buzz Mohawk
    Taylor's silence must make it easy to sleep next to her. She probably doesn't fart either.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Taylor’s silence must make it easy to sleep next to her. She probably doesn’t fart either.

    You know what they say– women aren’t allowed to sneeze, belch, cough or fart. If they didn’t bitch, they’d explode.

    • Replies: @helena
    @Reg Cæsar

    I saw a bumper sticker yesterday that said "Help! mum just farted and we can't get out". Which I thought was a little unnecessary.

  19. Normal people don’t think a non-political pop singer has any obligation to publicly pick sides and get involved in politics. This hysteria from the left will push normal people away.

    This is also against the philosophy that people should be able to vote privately to avoid being harassed or bullied for voting the wrong way. This is a direct attempt to bully the singer.

  20. I’m in the phone booth, it’s the one across the hall
    If you don’t answer, I’ll just ring it off the wall

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Trelane

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTDzFUlrDYM

    Replies: @Trelane

  21. @Hail
    https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/934301840002375681

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I didn’t know her. From Wikipedia: “Panahi is a single mother by choice and an atheist.”

    We’re winning.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Anonymous

    Wiki proclaims:


    Rita Panahi is an American-born Iranian Australian opinion columnist and critic of Islam.
     
    Hmm...

    Panahi argued that Australia should not be characterised as racist
     
    It's OK to be Australian.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous

    "Single mother by choice" = fatherless child by another's choice.

    She paid some guy to be a deadbeat dad. It's OK to be a deadbeat if that's what she wants.

  22. @NickG
    Quiz - Who said it, Taylor Swift or Adolf Hitler?


    I only got 6/10.

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @reiner Tor, @ThreeCranes, @Not Raul

    7/10. Should I be worried ?

    Your results:

    1-3 Correct: Obviously, Hitler and Taylor are confusing.

    4-7 Correct: You know your stuff. In fact, might know too much about Hitler or Taylor Swift.

    8-10 Correct: You frighten us.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @AKAHorace

    8/10

    I frighten them. Oh, well. Let them hate so long as they fear.

  23. This stuff is killer… If Trump doesn’t attack Iran or get assassinated he’s a shoo-in in 2020.
    Swift’s silence is extremely becoming – we don’t need 28 year old singers to tell us what to do or how to think. Let singers sing. Swift’s vote is her own business.
    What a timeline!

  24. @Trelane
    I'm in the phone booth, it's the one across the hall
    If you don't answer, I'll just ring it off the wall
    ...
    https://youtu.be/uWhkbDMISl8

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    • Replies: @Trelane
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://youtu.be/4BQsJb7w83w

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  25. @Reg Cæsar
    @Trelane

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTDzFUlrDYM

    Replies: @Trelane

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Trelane

    Are we engaged in telephone-tune-tag? Does that make us a tag team?

    Replies: @Trelane

  26. @eric
    TS clearly for P=NP.

    She's never said otherwise.

    QED.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @El Dato

    You win unz.com. Let’s call it a wrap.

  27. @Anonymous
    @Hail

    I didn't know her. From Wikipedia: "Panahi is a single mother by choice and an atheist."

    We're winning.

    Replies: @Hail, @Reg Cæsar

    Wiki proclaims:

    Rita Panahi is an American-born Iranian Australian opinion columnist and critic of Islam.

    Hmm…

    Panahi argued that Australia should not be characterised as racist

    It’s OK to be Australian.

  28. @Dr. X
    Taylor Swift supposedly hit it big as a country act, but I can't name a single Taylor Swift song. And I listen to country exclusively (that being said, it's mostly old classic country like Merle Haggard and Hank Jr.) But still... I have no idea who the hell she even is, except that now she's some kind of synth-pop act, which means that the probability that I will ever hear one of her songs is almost statistically zero.

    Anyway... whoever coined the (somewhat oxymoronic) phrase "shut up and sing" vis-a-vis the Dixie Chicks kerfluffle back in the Bush years had it right.

    When they're not performing, musicians are singularly stupid. Socrates observed that the musicians and poets couldn't tell him objectively what made a piece of music "good." He believed that music had the effect of short-circuiting the analytical reasoning process and appealed directly to emotions. Therefore, he regarded it as a danger that must be highly censored in The Republic.

    Whatever musicians do or don't say when they're not performing is perfectly irrelevant to anything...

    Replies: @Anon, @Glaivester, @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Rosamond Vincy, @AnotherDad

    This won song of the year at the CMAs a few weeks ago. Swift wrote it.

  29. I’d never heard of this woman until a few weeks ago but I’m starting to like her. And I won’t ruin it by actually listening to any of her music. (I’ve heard one song. All I remember is that she looked good.)

    When I see her I want to drink some cold fresh milk from the Driftwood Dairy. And buy a poster of her holding an acoustic guitar and looking “aggressively white.” If the Orientals like her, why shouldn’t I?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Bro Methylene


    I’d never heard of this woman until a few weeks ago but I’m starting to like her. And I won’t ruin it by actually listening to any of her music.
     
    Same here. Though I heard of her already a couple years ago, because Razib mentioned her in his blog.
  30. @eric
    TS clearly for P=NP.

    She's never said otherwise.

    QED.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @El Dato

    The would mean a perfect political system can be reliably found within a few hours!!

    Also, the completion of the program of German Idealism!

  31. No rest for the silent.

  32. …If the Orientals like her…

    Asians, please, not Orientals…

  33. Donald Trump’s silence on Taylor Swift’s silence is also deeply troubling.

    Really shows just what kind of a president he is.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @silviosilver

    Thanks, I'll steal that.

  34. Better to speak and be thought a white supremacist, than to remain silent and remove all doubt.

    • LOL: Kylie
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @silviosilver

    Well played.

  35. @silviosilver
    Donald Trump's silence on Taylor Swift's silence is also deeply troubling.

    Really shows just what kind of a president he is.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, I’ll steal that.

  36. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Taylor’s silence must make it easy to sleep next to her. She probably doesn’t fart either.
     
    You know what they say-- women aren't allowed to sneeze, belch, cough or fart. If they didn't bitch, they'd explode.

    Replies: @helena

    I saw a bumper sticker yesterday that said “Help! mum just farted and we can’t get out”. Which I thought was a little unnecessary.

  37. OT

    Football and rugby clubs back Rainbow Laces anti-homophobia campaign

    Note the fotos — the intensity of the propaganda.

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPc-ciPU8AA9UQB.jpg

    Replies: @eah, @BB753

  38. @Anon
    @Dr. X

    This is one of the songs she's best known for:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4iX5D9Z64&list=PL1CbxROoA2JiVzg9zu_AkVHZR9S8mHhzh&index=14

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kylie, @BB753

    I had never heard Taylor Swift perform before so I clicked on this video yesterday. I wasn’t able to get through the whole thing but I still like her for being slim, blonde and pretty.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Kylie

    I haven’t heard her music either, but I’m wise enough not to click on any of her videos.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Lex
    @Kylie

    To me she looks like Peter Berg in drag.

    Replies: @Truth

  39. @AKAHorace
    @NickG

    7/10. Should I be worried ?

    Your results:


    1-3 Correct: Obviously, Hitler and Taylor are confusing.

    4-7 Correct: You know your stuff. In fact, might know too much about Hitler or Taylor Swift.

    8-10 Correct: You frighten us.

    Replies: @Kylie

    8/10

    I frighten them. Oh, well. Let them hate so long as they fear.

  40. @syonredux
    "Now the Sirens have a still more fatal weapon than their song, namely their silence... Someone might possibly have escaped from their singing; but from their silence, certainly never." - Franz Kafka, The Silence of the Sirens

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Outstanding. Excellent reference. Apt.

  41. @Reg Cæsar
    @Dr. X


    it’s mostly old classic country like Merle Haggard and Hank Jr
     
    "Classic" and "junior" don't go together. Try Porter Wagoner or Red Sovine (who'd be Ginger Sovine across the Pond). Or Red Foley or Tex Ritter or Bob Wills or Spade Cooley.

    Replies: @Patrick Harris, @Dr. X, @J1234

    “Whiskey Bent and Hellbound” was a great album. It’s been mostly schlock for him since then, with a few bright spots.

  42. @Anon
    @Dr. X

    This is one of the songs she's best known for:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4iX5D9Z64&list=PL1CbxROoA2JiVzg9zu_AkVHZR9S8mHhzh&index=14

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Kylie, @BB753

    Surely that’s her worst song, right? What utter drivel! Nice voice though.

  43. Hopefully her next video will feature her in a white dress leading two blonde children through a wheatfield.

    I like her songs, they’re corny but I mean it’s pop music, whaddya want?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @27 year old


    Hopefully her next video will feature her in a white dress leading two blonde children through a wheatfield.
     
    ...............carrying pales of milk.
  44. @Reg Cæsar
    @Dr. X


    it’s mostly old classic country like Merle Haggard and Hank Jr
     
    "Classic" and "junior" don't go together. Try Porter Wagoner or Red Sovine (who'd be Ginger Sovine across the Pond). Or Red Foley or Tex Ritter or Bob Wills or Spade Cooley.

    Replies: @Patrick Harris, @Dr. X, @J1234

    Try Porter Wagoner or Red Sovine (who’d be Ginger Sovine across the Pond). Or Red Foley or Tex Ritter or Bob Wills or Spade Cooley.

    Agreed, and to that list one could add Ernest Tubb, Hank Thompson, Patsy Cline, Marty Robbins.

    Still, the “outlaw” stuff that made Hank Jr. big dates back to the early 1970s, and that’s getting to be pretty “classic” as we approach 2020…

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Dr. X

    Hank Williams' pain song, and Newbury's train song, too.

  45. @NickG
    Quiz - Who said it, Taylor Swift or Adolf Hitler?


    I only got 6/10.

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @reiner Tor, @ThreeCranes, @Not Raul

    I got 8/10.

  46. @Bro Methylene
    I'd never heard of this woman until a few weeks ago but I'm starting to like her. And I won't ruin it by actually listening to any of her music. (I've heard one song. All I remember is that she looked good.)

    When I see her I want to drink some cold fresh milk from the Driftwood Dairy. And buy a poster of her holding an acoustic guitar and looking "aggressively white." If the Orientals like her, why shouldn't I?

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    I’d never heard of this woman until a few weeks ago but I’m starting to like her. And I won’t ruin it by actually listening to any of her music.

    Same here. Though I heard of her already a couple years ago, because Razib mentioned her in his blog.

  47. @Kylie
    @Anon

    I had never heard Taylor Swift perform before so I clicked on this video yesterday. I wasn't able to get through the whole thing but I still like her for being slim, blonde and pretty.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Lex

    I haven’t heard her music either, but I’m wise enough not to click on any of her videos.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @reiner Tor

    It was bad but I've heard worse. Pretty much all pop music is abhorrent to me so I was already braced for the horror.

    Speaking of which, is there anything more sickening than black vocalists "expressing" themselves by ruining Christmas carols, recordings of which are inflicted on shoppers in big box stores?

    Replies: @Anon

  48. @Ivy
    OT: The National Dog Show is being shown on TV, and the NYT should have a reporter or columnist to address the lack of diversity in the human breeds. There are virtually no non-white people either as owners, handlers, judges, commentators or in the audience. Maybe the Times can work in some political overtones, too.

    Replies: @DCThrowback

    i assume homosexuals are over-represented.

    (At least according to my cursory research re-watching “Best In Show”.)

    • Replies: @CK
    @DCThrowback

    It is not believed that any of the best in show were homosexuals.
    Some in the toy class might be metro.

    , @Anon
    @DCThrowback

    Along with the rest of the rich elite that dominate you, yes, I suppose so.

  49. @eah
    OT

    Football and rugby clubs back Rainbow Laces anti-homophobia campaign

    Note the fotos -- the intensity of the propaganda.

    Replies: @eah

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPkUnI6V4AA_gIG.jpg

    , @BB753
    @eah

    Is it an imported fad from Afghanistan? We're not that far removed from tolerating boys selling themselves to perverts, I fear.

  50. @NickG
    Quiz - Who said it, Taylor Swift or Adolf Hitler?


    I only got 6/10.

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @reiner Tor, @ThreeCranes, @Not Raul

    Who said it, Swift or Hitler?

    1) Oh, excuse me.

    2) It looks cold outside today, I’d better wear a coat.

    3) Mom, I love you.

    4) Dang, summer vacation went so fast.

    5) Should I wear a light color or a dark one?

    6) My car won’t start.

    7) My little brother can be a pain in the butt.

    8) Why is Dad so grumpy when he gets home from work?

    9) Is your dog friendly?

    10) Uh oh, is that dandruff on my shoulder?

  51. @Anonymous
    Yeah, this is a low effort comment, but... I actually don't think I've ever seen this posted here... that's my excuse.... and I've had a few beers...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wVagQ_LVd4

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I posted it once before, but it is comedy gold, and always applicable to the current zeitgeist. A very funny movie.

  52. @DCThrowback
    @Ivy

    i assume homosexuals are over-represented.

    (At least according to my cursory research re-watching "Best In Show".)

    Replies: @CK, @Anon

    It is not believed that any of the best in show were homosexuals.
    Some in the toy class might be metro.

  53. @Kylie
    @Anon

    I had never heard Taylor Swift perform before so I clicked on this video yesterday. I wasn't able to get through the whole thing but I still like her for being slim, blonde and pretty.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Lex

    To me she looks like Peter Berg in drag.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Lex


    To me she looks like Peter Berg in drag.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGoYBJvPEdY
  54. I seriously don’t understand the Guardian article’s point. I understand that they want to demonstrate that Taylor Swift is somehow to blame for something or other, but I don’t see how they’re getting there. Her greatest offenses are moving from adequate country songs to bland, forgettable pop, and writing revenge songs about her ex-boyfriends, who are free to respond in kind.

    Is she being criticized for her “troubling silence” because they’re upset she hasn’t yet made an official statement so they can criticize the official statement? And would their primary criticism be that she is hardly an authority n the subject, and should have held her peace?

    Do I suspect a trap?

    I don’t much like her tween-bait music, but the way they’re trying to set up this girl is ridiculous. She’s a pop singer, not a politician.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Rosamond Vincy


    Do I suspect a trap?
     
    No, there's no "trap." It's just that these bastards understand very well that, in a democracy, celebrity opinion matters a great deal. That's why they demand total ideological uniformity from celebrities on the big issues.

    If TS came out with some anti-Trump statement now, they would consider it a victory for their side, but also probably say something like "Taylor Swift Waits 12 Months To Denounce Donald Trump."
    , @Forbes
    @Rosamond Vincy

    It's a trap only in the sense that you can never win with the PC/SJWs. No statement, concession, compromise, apology, gift, approval, endorsement is ever sufficient. The demands will increase and continue forever. It's about power and control. They say, "Jump!" And you respond, "How high?" Lather, rinse, repeat.

    TS is better off never responding. All that can happen are complaints about her silence. How pathetic is that?

    But this is the new PC/SJW approach. You cannot stay silent, neutral, out of the way--you must declare for a side. You must add your voice to the cause.

  55. @reiner Tor
    @Kylie

    I haven’t heard her music either, but I’m wise enough not to click on any of her videos.

    Replies: @Kylie

    It was bad but I’ve heard worse. Pretty much all pop music is abhorrent to me so I was already braced for the horror.

    Speaking of which, is there anything more sickening than black vocalists “expressing” themselves by ruining Christmas carols, recordings of which are inflicted on shoppers in big box stores?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Kylie

    Yes: Jewish (and gentile) lyricists writing coma-inducing pablum marketed as Christmas "carols".

  56. @Dr. X
    Taylor Swift supposedly hit it big as a country act, but I can't name a single Taylor Swift song. And I listen to country exclusively (that being said, it's mostly old classic country like Merle Haggard and Hank Jr.) But still... I have no idea who the hell she even is, except that now she's some kind of synth-pop act, which means that the probability that I will ever hear one of her songs is almost statistically zero.

    Anyway... whoever coined the (somewhat oxymoronic) phrase "shut up and sing" vis-a-vis the Dixie Chicks kerfluffle back in the Bush years had it right.

    When they're not performing, musicians are singularly stupid. Socrates observed that the musicians and poets couldn't tell him objectively what made a piece of music "good." He believed that music had the effect of short-circuiting the analytical reasoning process and appealed directly to emotions. Therefore, he regarded it as a danger that must be highly censored in The Republic.

    Whatever musicians do or don't say when they're not performing is perfectly irrelevant to anything...

    Replies: @Anon, @Glaivester, @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Rosamond Vincy, @AnotherDad

    I kinda like this one, but it may be a chick thing:

  57. @Dr. X
    Taylor Swift supposedly hit it big as a country act, but I can't name a single Taylor Swift song. And I listen to country exclusively (that being said, it's mostly old classic country like Merle Haggard and Hank Jr.) But still... I have no idea who the hell she even is, except that now she's some kind of synth-pop act, which means that the probability that I will ever hear one of her songs is almost statistically zero.

    Anyway... whoever coined the (somewhat oxymoronic) phrase "shut up and sing" vis-a-vis the Dixie Chicks kerfluffle back in the Bush years had it right.

    When they're not performing, musicians are singularly stupid. Socrates observed that the musicians and poets couldn't tell him objectively what made a piece of music "good." He believed that music had the effect of short-circuiting the analytical reasoning process and appealed directly to emotions. Therefore, he regarded it as a danger that must be highly censored in The Republic.

    Whatever musicians do or don't say when they're not performing is perfectly irrelevant to anything...

    Replies: @Anon, @Glaivester, @Reg Cæsar, @Dave Pinsen, @Rosamond Vincy, @AnotherDad

    When they’re not performing, musicians are singularly stupid. Socrates observed that the musicians and poets couldn’t tell him objectively what made a piece of music “good.” He believed that music had the effect of short-circuiting the analytical reasoning process and appealed directly to emotions. Therefore, he regarded it as a danger that must be highly censored in The Republic.

    Thanks Dr. X. Excellent point. I’m more of a technically trained guy (physics) and never got to (or forgot) this Socrates observation in my Ancient Philosophy class, nor in any outside reading (which leans more toward history). But it’s good to know Socrates was on the case with the “short circuiting” problem 2400+ years ago. Our ancestral intellectuals seem a lot smarter than our modern ones.

    Music is fun, entertaining, but it basically about emotion and mood. It’s a ridiculous/terrible mental input when making some decision like marching off to war or getting married or immigration policy.

    Ditto “art” generally. For instance the Emma Lazarus poem/polemic paints this sunshiny picture, but is absolutely daft as any sort of serious thought about who–if anyone–you’d want to invite into your nation. (Which should be about very long term consequences.)

    There’s no getting around the truth of republicanism. Decisions are best made by mature, responsible men of substance who have “skin in the game” and are the patriarchs and “owners” of the nation, exercising reasoned conservative judgment given thorough discussion and argument with the best facts available.

    The sheer shrill silliness we get now, ladled out with buckets of emotive blather is beyond appalling.

    • Agree: Forbes
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AnotherDad


    The sheer shrill silliness we get now, ladled out with buckets of emotive blather is beyond appalling.
     
    The only way that be any different in a Socratic republic is if either (a) the populace largely abandoned the quest for "equality" - so unequal outcomes no longer bothered them - or (b) the Socratic republic banned criticism of its policies (and successfully enforced the ban).

    The only way (a) might happen is if life in the Socratic republic really is so good that people spontaneously cease being disturbed by anyone doing better than them. Authoritarian/fascist types are very quick to claim that this is indeed what would happen. Personally, I am not so sure. I think I would rather be a peon in a democracy than in an autocracy.

    So most likely the regime would resort to (b). Putting up with nutty equalitarians in the media and entertainment biz is a small price to pay for the privilege of being allowed to disagree with your rulers. (It is certainly a pity that so few lefties seem to mirror this opinion - that it's okay to allow the occasional 1488 nutzi to let off steam than to disallow all contrary opinions.)
  58. @Reg Cæsar
    @Dr. X


    it’s mostly old classic country like Merle Haggard and Hank Jr
     
    "Classic" and "junior" don't go together. Try Porter Wagoner or Red Sovine (who'd be Ginger Sovine across the Pond). Or Red Foley or Tex Ritter or Bob Wills or Spade Cooley.

    Replies: @Patrick Harris, @Dr. X, @J1234

    Reg, have you heard the Louvin Borthers? I’d heard about them for decades, but had never heard them until youtube (recently.) This live TV performance is the best recording of theirs that I’ve found.

    Ernest Tubb is still probably my favorite, though.

    As to Taylor’s silence, that’s why I painted my ’63 Olds a racist shade of white. She didn’t tell me not to.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @J1234

    The Louvin Brothers (real last name, Loudermilk) were a gospel and country singing duo that are the stuff of legend for their over the top album covers, for brother Ira's drunken tirades and mandolin smashing incidents, and for Gram Parsons and Emmylou Harris' adoration of them and for ironic hipsters loving to hold them in fun decades later. Charlie, the brother who lived to old age, wrote a pretty good biography.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/Satan_is_Real.jpg

    Taylor Swift was still in diapers when I painted my '61 Buick four door, repowered with a 305 Chevy out of a neighbor's boat ( we hauled it off for free, sold the trailer and the outdrive unit, and burned the boat in the back forty) , International Red. I did it because the paint was cheap.

  59. @Rosamond Vincy
    I seriously don't understand the Guardian article's point. I understand that they want to demonstrate that Taylor Swift is somehow to blame for something or other, but I don't see how they're getting there. Her greatest offenses are moving from adequate country songs to bland, forgettable pop, and writing revenge songs about her ex-boyfriends, who are free to respond in kind.

    Is she being criticized for her "troubling silence" because they're upset she hasn't yet made an official statement so they can criticize the official statement? And would their primary criticism be that she is hardly an authority n the subject, and should have held her peace?

    Do I suspect a trap?

    I don't much like her tween-bait music, but the way they're trying to set up this girl is ridiculous. She's a pop singer, not a politician.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Forbes

    Do I suspect a trap?

    No, there’s no “trap.” It’s just that these bastards understand very well that, in a democracy, celebrity opinion matters a great deal. That’s why they demand total ideological uniformity from celebrities on the big issues.

    If TS came out with some anti-Trump statement now, they would consider it a victory for their side, but also probably say something like “Taylor Swift Waits 12 Months To Denounce Donald Trump.”

  60. @AnotherDad
    @Dr. X


    When they’re not performing, musicians are singularly stupid. Socrates observed that the musicians and poets couldn’t tell him objectively what made a piece of music “good.” He believed that music had the effect of short-circuiting the analytical reasoning process and appealed directly to emotions. Therefore, he regarded it as a danger that must be highly censored in The Republic.
     
    Thanks Dr. X. Excellent point. I'm more of a technically trained guy (physics) and never got to (or forgot) this Socrates observation in my Ancient Philosophy class, nor in any outside reading (which leans more toward history). But it's good to know Socrates was on the case with the "short circuiting" problem 2400+ years ago. Our ancestral intellectuals seem a lot smarter than our modern ones.

    Music is fun, entertaining, but it basically about emotion and mood. It's a ridiculous/terrible mental input when making some decision like marching off to war or getting married or immigration policy.

    Ditto "art" generally. For instance the Emma Lazarus poem/polemic paints this sunshiny picture, but is absolutely daft as any sort of serious thought about who--if anyone--you'd want to invite into your nation. (Which should be about very long term consequences.)

    There's no getting around the truth of republicanism. Decisions are best made by mature, responsible men of substance who have "skin in the game" and are the patriarchs and "owners" of the nation, exercising reasoned conservative judgment given thorough discussion and argument with the best facts available.

    The sheer shrill silliness we get now, ladled out with buckets of emotive blather is beyond appalling.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    The sheer shrill silliness we get now, ladled out with buckets of emotive blather is beyond appalling.

    The only way that be any different in a Socratic republic is if either (a) the populace largely abandoned the quest for “equality” – so unequal outcomes no longer bothered them – or (b) the Socratic republic banned criticism of its policies (and successfully enforced the ban).

    The only way (a) might happen is if life in the Socratic republic really is so good that people spontaneously cease being disturbed by anyone doing better than them. Authoritarian/fascist types are very quick to claim that this is indeed what would happen. Personally, I am not so sure. I think I would rather be a peon in a democracy than in an autocracy.

    So most likely the regime would resort to (b). Putting up with nutty equalitarians in the media and entertainment biz is a small price to pay for the privilege of being allowed to disagree with your rulers. (It is certainly a pity that so few lefties seem to mirror this opinion – that it’s okay to allow the occasional 1488 nutzi to let off steam than to disallow all contrary opinions.)

  61. @Kylie
    @reiner Tor

    It was bad but I've heard worse. Pretty much all pop music is abhorrent to me so I was already braced for the horror.

    Speaking of which, is there anything more sickening than black vocalists "expressing" themselves by ruining Christmas carols, recordings of which are inflicted on shoppers in big box stores?

    Replies: @Anon

    Yes: Jewish (and gentile) lyricists writing coma-inducing pablum marketed as Christmas “carols”.

  62. @silviosilver
    Better to speak and be thought a white supremacist, than to remain silent and remove all doubt.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Well played.

  63. @Rosamond Vincy
    I seriously don't understand the Guardian article's point. I understand that they want to demonstrate that Taylor Swift is somehow to blame for something or other, but I don't see how they're getting there. Her greatest offenses are moving from adequate country songs to bland, forgettable pop, and writing revenge songs about her ex-boyfriends, who are free to respond in kind.

    Is she being criticized for her "troubling silence" because they're upset she hasn't yet made an official statement so they can criticize the official statement? And would their primary criticism be that she is hardly an authority n the subject, and should have held her peace?

    Do I suspect a trap?

    I don't much like her tween-bait music, but the way they're trying to set up this girl is ridiculous. She's a pop singer, not a politician.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Forbes

    It’s a trap only in the sense that you can never win with the PC/SJWs. No statement, concession, compromise, apology, gift, approval, endorsement is ever sufficient. The demands will increase and continue forever. It’s about power and control. They say, “Jump!” And you respond, “How high?” Lather, rinse, repeat.

    TS is better off never responding. All that can happen are complaints about her silence. How pathetic is that?

    But this is the new PC/SJW approach. You cannot stay silent, neutral, out of the way–you must declare for a side. You must add your voice to the cause.

  64. @eah
    @eah

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPc-ciPU8AA9UQB.jpg

    Replies: @eah, @BB753

  65. “But this is the new PC/SJW approach. You cannot stay silent, neutral, out of the way–you must declare for a side. You must add your voice to the cause.”

    Yeah, and didn’t that social-justice jihadist, former president George Bush lay that down in one of his speeches?

    “A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,”

    “You’re either with us or against us in the fight against (here he said ‘terror’ but I think he meant) [‘Trump’]”

    “This is an evil man that we’re dealing with, and I wouldn’t put it past him to develop evil weapons to try to harm civilization as we know it,” Bush said. ” And that’s why we must prevail, and that’s why we must win.”

  66. @Dr. X
    @Reg Cæsar


    Try Porter Wagoner or Red Sovine (who’d be Ginger Sovine across the Pond). Or Red Foley or Tex Ritter or Bob Wills or Spade Cooley.
     
    Agreed, and to that list one could add Ernest Tubb, Hank Thompson, Patsy Cline, Marty Robbins.

    Still, the "outlaw" stuff that made Hank Jr. big dates back to the early 1970s, and that's getting to be pretty "classic" as we approach 2020...

    Replies: @Ivy

    Hank Williams’ pain song, and Newbury’s train song, too.

  67. @Anonymous
    @Hail

    I didn't know her. From Wikipedia: "Panahi is a single mother by choice and an atheist."

    We're winning.

    Replies: @Hail, @Reg Cæsar

    “Single mother by choice” = fatherless child by another’s choice.

    She paid some guy to be a deadbeat dad. It’s OK to be a deadbeat if that’s what she wants.

  68. @DCThrowback
    @Ivy

    i assume homosexuals are over-represented.

    (At least according to my cursory research re-watching "Best In Show".)

    Replies: @CK, @Anon

    Along with the rest of the rich elite that dominate you, yes, I suppose so.

  69. There is one Taylor Swift song I’ve listened to to the end, which I kinda like; Wildest Dreams; https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&p=taylor+swift+wildest+dreams#id=1&vid=2d7bfb33cb97eedee17ae10fbc4f178a&action=click

    Not mainly for the music, which is okay. Not even for being criticised for being too white for a music video filmed in Africa; https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2015/09/03/taylor-swifts-wildest-dreams-video-draws-backlash-racism/71629452/

    But because it featured Swift flying in a Fisher replica of a classic Tigermoth biplane, and I like airplanes and classic biplanes.

  70. I am surprised so many isteve readers never heard Taylor Swift’s music. Sometimes I wonder if I am the only middle aged guy who keeps up with new music (although Swift has been around for a long time now).

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Jay Fink

    The majority of isteve readers must be retired and never leave home, in a nursing home, or are living in a cave, otherwise they'd at least seen or vaguely heard about her. She's all over tv, not just MTV and similar channels, and you're bound to watch some of those if you step into a mall or a bar.

  71. @NickG
    Quiz - Who said it, Taylor Swift or Adolf Hitler?


    I only got 6/10.

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @reiner Tor, @ThreeCranes, @Not Raul

    I also got 6/10. Tough quiz.

  72. @Trelane
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://youtu.be/4BQsJb7w83w

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Are we engaged in telephone-tune-tag? Does that make us a tag team?

    • Replies: @Trelane
    @Reg Cæsar

    I will take you to the depths of AT&T and Western Electric if you make me. I have many telephone posts I can make, more than are even neccessary. Here's 12 hours of dial tone:
    https://youtu.be/CJ0rK8uJ3sI

  73. @Lex
    @Kylie

    To me she looks like Peter Berg in drag.

    Replies: @Truth

    To me she looks like Peter Berg in drag.

  74. @27 year old
    Hopefully her next video will feature her in a white dress leading two blonde children through a wheatfield.

    I like her songs, they're corny but I mean it's pop music, whaddya want?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Hopefully her next video will feature her in a white dress leading two blonde children through a wheatfield.

    ……………carrying pales of milk.

  75. @eah
    @eah

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPc-ciPU8AA9UQB.jpg

    Replies: @eah, @BB753

    Is it an imported fad from Afghanistan? We’re not that far removed from tolerating boys selling themselves to perverts, I fear.

  76. @Jay Fink
    I am surprised so many isteve readers never heard Taylor Swift's music. Sometimes I wonder if I am the only middle aged guy who keeps up with new music (although Swift has been around for a long time now).

    Replies: @BB753

    The majority of isteve readers must be retired and never leave home, in a nursing home, or are living in a cave, otherwise they’d at least seen or vaguely heard about her. She’s all over tv, not just MTV and similar channels, and you’re bound to watch some of those if you step into a mall or a bar.

  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @J1234
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, have you heard the Louvin Borthers? I'd heard about them for decades, but had never heard them until youtube (recently.) This live TV performance is the best recording of theirs that I've found.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT3ZInKueo4

    Ernest Tubb is still probably my favorite, though.

    As to Taylor's silence, that's why I painted my '63 Olds a racist shade of white. She didn't tell me not to.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The Louvin Brothers (real last name, Loudermilk) were a gospel and country singing duo that are the stuff of legend for their over the top album covers, for brother Ira’s drunken tirades and mandolin smashing incidents, and for Gram Parsons and Emmylou Harris’ adoration of them and for ironic hipsters loving to hold them in fun decades later. Charlie, the brother who lived to old age, wrote a pretty good biography.

    Taylor Swift was still in diapers when I painted my ’61 Buick four door, repowered with a 305 Chevy out of a neighbor’s boat ( we hauled it off for free, sold the trailer and the outdrive unit, and burned the boat in the back forty) , International Red. I did it because the paint was cheap.

  78. @Reg Cæsar
    @Trelane

    Are we engaged in telephone-tune-tag? Does that make us a tag team?

    Replies: @Trelane

    I will take you to the depths of AT&T and Western Electric if you make me. I have many telephone posts I can make, more than are even neccessary. Here’s 12 hours of dial tone:

  79. My parents met while both worked at AT&T, though after work, at the dance studio.

    My stepdad’s sister married a Western Electric exec. He was of the last generation able to get such a job with a liberal arts degree.

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