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From the Washington Post:

‘Opening the gates of hell’: Musk says he will revive banned accounts

The Twitter chief says he will reinstate accounts suspended for threats, harassment and misinformation beginning next week

By Taylor Lorenz
Updated November 24, 2022 at 6:14 p.m. EST

Elon Musk plans to reinstate nearly all previously banned Twitter accounts — to the alarm of activists and online trust and safety experts.

After posting a Twitter poll asking, “Should Twitter offer a general amnesty to suspended accounts, provided that they have not broken the law or engaged in egregious spam?” in which 72.4 percent of the respondents voted yes, Musk declared, “Amnesty begins next week.”

 
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  1. Twitter getting spicy!

    • Replies: @mc23
    @anon

    Would not expect Musk to go there. He's right of course. On twitter one person cited Vindman's decorations. Another replied most are participation trophies. Only the purple heart is worthy of respect. I am curious if that's an award in the fashion of John Kerry.

    If Vindman was a Trump partisan he would be scorned by the same people who now praise him uncritically. Whether you like Vindman or not objectively his actions are worthy of scrutiny.

    , @Tiny Duck
    @anon

    Musk needs to be removed from twitter or at least comply with democratic norms. His firing of imoportant staff shows that he does not value fighinting disinofmration and protecting vulberable groups. I hope the Biden Administration gets involved and brings him to justice.

    What he is doing is allowing stochastic terrorism and is going to get journalists and activists killed as well as non right politicians.

    Just look at Paul Pelosi and the attacks on trans people

    Enjoy it while it lasts. No oversight = no advertisers = no Twitter.

    Replies: @tyrone, @fish, @Prof. Woland, @NeoLogick

  2. “On that day, he also unilaterally reinstated at least 11 high-profile far-right Twitter accounts, including Jordan Peterson, a professor who was banned from Twitter…”

    And, in further news, Mr. Rogers has been identified as a secret fascist!

    • LOL: Pincher Martin
  3. Can you do a blog on the Death Con 3 triad (Ye, Fuentes, and Trump)? Do you think Jewish organizations will step up repression on speech and political rights?

    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @anonymous

    Steve has so far refused to discuss this most interesting story. Steve has also refused to say why he's avoiding the story.

    It's obvious that Steve doesn't like to discuss Jewish power in the US and the West in general. He hints at it occasionally but never goes any deeper.

    Steve would rather write about traffic statistics.

    I joke, of course. Steve probably would like to write about West, Trump and Fuentes, but for either personal, financial or career reasons, he avoids the topic.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @anonymous

    "Can you do a blog on the Death Con 3 triad (Ye, Fuentes, and Trump)?"

    Are you asking me or Steve? What's a Ye?

    "Do you think Jewish organizations will step up repression on speech and political rights?"

    Excepting pornography, when have they not? Did the Fuentes guy invent Taco Bell?

  4. • Replies: @stari_momak
    @Dream

    KInda ironic that Visegrad 24 is reporting the truth about the military, political and economic capital they love so much. Maybe this will make them rethink the whole EU/NATO thing.

    , @Technite78
    @Dream

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-club-world-cup/story/4816778/riots-in-brussels-after-morocco-beat-belgium-at-world-cup


    Brussels mayor Philippe Close urged people to stay away from the city center and said authorities were doing their utmost to keep order in the streets. Even subway and tram traffic had to be interrupted on police orders.
     

    "Those are not fans, they are rioters. Moroccan fans are there to celebrate,'' Close said. There were also disturbances in the city of Antwerp and Liege.

     


    Police in the neighboring Netherlands said violence erupted in the port city of Rotterdam, with riot officers attempting to break up a group of 500 soccer supporters who pelted police with fireworks and glass. Media reported unrest in the capital Amsterdam and The Hague.

    Morocco's victory was a major upset at the World Cup and was enthusiastically celebrated by fans with Moroccan immigrant roots in many Belgian and Dutch cities.
     
    What they are "enthusiastically" celebrating is their gradual conquest of the Low Countries.

    Replies: @John Pepple

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Dream

    Strip them of citizenship & boot them to Morocco.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Dream

    Well, this street fun is probably okay because all these exuberant young Moroccan fellows are double-jabbed, double-boosted, and have green QR codes on their social credit apps.

    , @International Jew
    @Dream

    I wonder if any of the people up in that building are wishing they had a right to bear arms like les américains do.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    , @Alfa158
    @Dream

    Imagine what it would be like if Morocco had lost? Seems to be an African thing. In the US, Blacks also riot whether their team won or lost. It’s just another excuse for the youngsters to bust out and party.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Known Fact
    @Dream

    And now we've got the pissing match between US and Iran over our online desecration of their flag. (We took out all that squiggly Muslim stuff in the middle, that'll show 'em!)

    Thanks to the current win-or-go-home standings this is one dispute that really can be settled on the playing field

    , @Barnard
    @Dream

    How many different ethnic groups of significant size are living in Belgium? How can even the dumbest globalist think Belgium is going to turn into anything other than a big turf war among various groups of resettled third worlders?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @Currahee
    @Dream

    zzzzz, what? huh? zzzzzz......

    , @Ian Smith
    @Dream

    Dang, and here I was thinking that anger at Morocco had united Flemings and Walloons in rage.

    , @Art Deco
    @Dream

    You have riots because the police allow them. They commonly do that at the behest of politicians.

    The whole scene is indicative of stupefying arrogance within the Moroccan immigrant population. Deportation should be a penalty for every last one of them you apprehend.

  5. WaPo:

    Elon Musk plans to reinstate nearly all previously banned Twitter accounts — to the alarm of activists and online trust and safety experts.

    Musk declared, “Amnesty begins next week.”

    🥳 BIG IF TRUE 🥳

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/so-what-should-elon-musk-do-with-twitter/#comment-5627426 (#9)

  6. Taylor Lorenz is frantic that all her doxxing will be for naught.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-taylor-lorenz-libs-of-tiktok

    Fuck this rich old broad and her schoolyard tattletaling to try to ruin people.

    She wants us bankrupt, unemployed, and with people physically murdering us. And she would laugh if it happened.

    • Agree: Cutter
    • Replies: @Cutter
    @R.G. Camara

    The funniest part of her Wikipedia bio is her birthday, where you get the day and month but the year's a guess.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @R.G. Camara


    She wants us bankrupt, unemployed, and with people physically murdering us.
     
    Pretty much.

    Just the other day she was crowing that we should be getting welded in our homes CCP-style because, "OMG long Covid!"
    , @Known Fact
    @R.G. Camara

    Rich old broad? She's only 30-something so she doesn't even have the excuse of being old

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    , @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @R.G. Camara

    "Dear Taylor: Got fired from Twitter.
    As an 'expert' on 'safety', no fitter
    Big Sister than I,
    Banning every guy
    Who at Racial Replacement is bitter."

    Replies: @silviosilver

  7. Liberals hate free speech.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Renard
    @P.T.


    "online trust and safety experts."
     
    I'd definitely feel safer if Taylor's "online trust and safety experts" were back in charge. I'm sure she has a bunch on her virtual rolodex.

    If only the Dems could control the entire government! Then we could make some real progress. Well, we're almost there..

    NB: autocorrect doesn't know "rolodex"

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    , @Renard
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Well of course they do, particularly since "free speech" is now defined as whatever speech liberals don't like..
    , @Unintended Consequence
    @P.T.

    "Liberals hate free speech."

    I can never decide if Musk is an actual conservative except that he's making Twitter safe for right-wing types. I suspect he's more a contrarian than anything else.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don't really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don't mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon, @Dmon, @kaganovitch, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @silviosilver, @PhysicistDave

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Those who hate free speech are not liberal in any way. They are authoritarian.

    Replies: @Sam Hildebrand

    , @Flip
    @P.T.

    I avoid using the term liberal for these people, calling them leftists or progressives instead. Classical liberals are nothing like these people. Closer to libertarians or paleo-conservatives.

    , @Sam Hildebrand
    @P.T.

    Not all free speech is hate speech but all hate speech is free speech. Is hating free speech the opposite of free hate speech? Is it freeing free speech from hate speech or is it hating the free speech that is hate speech?

    This is so confusing, but I'm sure Musk has it figured out.

  8. @P.T.
    Liberals hate free speech.

    Replies: @Renard, @Renard, @Unintended Consequence, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip, @Sam Hildebrand

    “online trust and safety experts.”

    I’d definitely feel safer if Taylor’s “online trust and safety experts” were back in charge. I’m sure she has a bunch on her virtual rolodex.

    If only the Dems could control the entire government! Then we could make some real progress. Well, we’re almost there..

    NB: autocorrect doesn’t know “rolodex”

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Renard


    “online trust and safety experts.”
     
    What on earth is an “online trust and safety expert”? It sounds like a b.s. category made up by a b.s. artist.

    When I was a kid, there was a phrase popular among grown men: "Don't bull--it a bull--itter."

    Where have all the grown-ups gone?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  9. @P.T.
    Liberals hate free speech.

    Replies: @Renard, @Renard, @Unintended Consequence, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip, @Sam Hildebrand

    Liberals hate free speech.

    Well of course they do, particularly since “free speech” is now defined as whatever speech liberals don’t like..

    • Agree: Forbes
  10. “Vindman is both puppet & puppeteer. Question is who pulls his strings … ?”

    Everyone just ignores this seeming nonsequitur. But I think it’s as important as Musk reinstating banned Twitter accounts. Is there more to this conversation?

  11. Anon[196] • Disclaimer says:

    Glenn Greenwald in his sneak peak for his new daily current events show on Rumble the other day covered the meltdown over this rather well, with a nice sidebar on how the media is obfuscating the fact that they are just reporting their personal opinions via the ruse of attributing statements to a variety of uncredentialed fake experts, like “online trust and safety experts” or “disinformation experts” or “fact checkers.” On other words, journalists just quote someone who shares their opinions, prefacing it with a made-up expertise title.

  12. @P.T.
    Liberals hate free speech.

    Replies: @Renard, @Renard, @Unintended Consequence, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip, @Sam Hildebrand

    “Liberals hate free speech.”

    I can never decide if Musk is an actual conservative except that he’s making Twitter safe for right-wing types. I suspect he’s more a contrarian than anything else.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Unintended Consequence


    I can never decide if Musk is an actual conservative except that he’s making Twitter safe for right-wing types. I suspect he’s more a contrarian than anything else.
     
    FWIW, I happen to agree that he's more of a contrarian than anything else, but that's the thing: it doesn't matter what his personal political views are. Or, at least it shouldn't. Freedom of speech should transcend politics.

    Personally, I'd never dream of censoring people who disagree with me. I literally have a difficult time comprehending the concept.

    That it is so common these days for people to use respect for free speech as an indicator of one's partisan leanings is disturbing... but if one side sees censorship as a critical component of its political beliefs, then I guess its only sensical to attribute non-censorship to the opposing side.

    Replies: @BosTex

  13. Maybe if the 72% in favour of amnesty had been a postal or harvested vote the result would have been ‘correct’, and democracy so made safe?

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
  14. Anonymous[954] • Disclaimer says:

    Looks like Musk got control of twitter a little too late, but at least he’s running things now.

    What a crazy behind-the-scene shitshow twitter was, and the major actors tossed it to Musk and skedaddled!

    Oh, and you better change your phone numbers, high-profile Twitter users…

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/54-million-twitter-users-stolen-data-leaked-online-more-shared-privately/

  15. It’s hard to imagine any white celebrity having the courage of Kanye West, Kyrie, or Dave Chappelle.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @Zelo


    It’s hard to imagine any white celebrity having the courage of Kanye West, Kyrie, or Dave Chappelle.
     
    Black privilege.

    If a "White celebrity" did similar, they would be (and have been) cancelled, fired. shunned, attacked, etc.

    A lot of celebrities (Kathy Griffin, Alec Baldwin, The View gals, etc.) say (anti White) racist things and other crazy Woke nonsense, even "hate" undisguised, but other than Fox and a few rightwing blogs, carry on merrily. Even get plush new gigs.

    The average (non corrupt, non grifter) black person isn't Woke in the usual sense. They are not Green or EndoftheWorld fatalists, or in love with transmania and CrazyWoman feminism.

    Blacks as a group may have their faults, but being Comrade-Woke isn't one of them. That's a side effect of being raised more religious, usually, and not being over/mis educated at "elite" institutions devoted to brainwashing GoodThink into their students.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @fnn
    @Zelo

    Remember what happened to the white Cuban Rick Sanchez. He was fired from CNN the day after he made some "remarks" on a radio show. After a tough few years he wound up doing a show for RT America, but then the whole of RT America came to an abrupt end with the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

  16. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596941993267322880?t=3hd-MSNPKAeFmac0aiVnrA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596891727217901569?t=H3Smh8a3Gmv16gN5tB3n9g&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596944387279572993?t=l4hKDD6GHKV9107uk8LM4Q&s=19

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Technite78, @Bardon Kaldian, @The Wild Geese Howard, @International Jew, @Alfa158, @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Currahee, @Ian Smith, @Art Deco

    KInda ironic that Visegrad 24 is reporting the truth about the military, political and economic capital they love so much. Maybe this will make them rethink the whole EU/NATO thing.

  17. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596941993267322880?t=3hd-MSNPKAeFmac0aiVnrA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596891727217901569?t=H3Smh8a3Gmv16gN5tB3n9g&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596944387279572993?t=l4hKDD6GHKV9107uk8LM4Q&s=19

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Technite78, @Bardon Kaldian, @The Wild Geese Howard, @International Jew, @Alfa158, @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Currahee, @Ian Smith, @Art Deco

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-club-world-cup/story/4816778/riots-in-brussels-after-morocco-beat-belgium-at-world-cup

    Brussels mayor Philippe Close urged people to stay away from the city center and said authorities were doing their utmost to keep order in the streets. Even subway and tram traffic had to be interrupted on police orders.

    “Those are not fans, they are rioters. Moroccan fans are there to celebrate,” Close said. There were also disturbances in the city of Antwerp and Liege.

    Police in the neighboring Netherlands said violence erupted in the port city of Rotterdam, with riot officers attempting to break up a group of 500 soccer supporters who pelted police with fireworks and glass. Media reported unrest in the capital Amsterdam and The Hague.

    Morocco’s victory was a major upset at the World Cup and was enthusiastically celebrated by fans with Moroccan immigrant roots in many Belgian and Dutch cities.

    What they are “enthusiastically” celebrating is their gradual conquest of the Low Countries.

    • Agree: Rob McX
    • Replies: @John Pepple
    @Technite78


    What they are “enthusiastically” celebrating is their gradual conquest of the Low Countries.
     
    Yup. I spent twenty years warning elites not to allow any Muslims into the West, and they ignored me. Now I'm telling them it's too late to do anything about it.

    Also, anyone who watched the Belgium versus Canada game was not shocked by Morocco's win.
  18. The Twitter chief says he will reinstate accounts suspended for threats, harassment and misinformation beginning next week

    My Twitter account was suspended for telling someone to “Learn To Code”. I suppose that was their idea of “harassment”.

    I’m not sure that Musk will be able to turn Twitter into a financial success… but that may not be his goal at all. He may simply be using his billions to purchase control of “the public square”, with which he can encourage (or at least allow) discussions that had previously been successfully suppressed. It’s even possible that his assurances to the “pressure groups” (i.e. ADL) to continue previous censorship are not completely ingenuous…

  19. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596941993267322880?t=3hd-MSNPKAeFmac0aiVnrA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596891727217901569?t=H3Smh8a3Gmv16gN5tB3n9g&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596944387279572993?t=l4hKDD6GHKV9107uk8LM4Q&s=19

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Technite78, @Bardon Kaldian, @The Wild Geese Howard, @International Jew, @Alfa158, @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Currahee, @Ian Smith, @Art Deco

    Strip them of citizenship & boot them to Morocco.

  20. Just so long as I don’t have to see that “pampered white girl face” anymore…..

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1551319906745888768/photo/1

  21. Personally, I did not go shopping on “Black Friday.” I was too busy eating yesterday’s Turkey and watching tv. You get a lot of good sales online, so why go outside in the cold weather and fight the crowds?

  22. Resident WaPo scumbag Taylor Lorenz sure knows how to pick her subjects for pullquotes.

    This time it’s a Harvard affirmative action beneficiary, well known on Twitter for her over-posting like a mental patient, because she is quite mental. Does anyone even bother doing background checks, on anyone, at WaPo anymore?

  23. There was a time when any third-rank editor on the Washington Post’s staff would have considered it inadmissible to put a quotation in a headline next to the name of someone who DID NOT say it. This is a textbook example of how to insert an editorial into a headline; it is a violation of the most basic principles of honest journalism.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Tono-Bungay


    a violation of the most basic principles of honest journalism.
     
    'Honest journalism' is one of those oxymorons--moronic in too many ways.
  24. Man, they’re just beside themselves.

  25. to the alarm of activists and online trust and safety experts.

    Twitter, like all interactive social media is subject to bad behavior. Most online forums degrade.
    In the real world, being descended upon by a mob is rare, space and time is limited. But online it both common and easy to organize.

    A problem policing is that the hall monitors are both lind and delusional. We don’t have to assume the worst motives. We know they *think* the opposition is evil and they literally cannot see their own behavior crossing boundaries. The result was twitter becoming a woke echo chamber.

  26. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596941993267322880?t=3hd-MSNPKAeFmac0aiVnrA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596891727217901569?t=H3Smh8a3Gmv16gN5tB3n9g&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596944387279572993?t=l4hKDD6GHKV9107uk8LM4Q&s=19

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Technite78, @Bardon Kaldian, @The Wild Geese Howard, @International Jew, @Alfa158, @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Currahee, @Ian Smith, @Art Deco

    Well, this street fun is probably okay because all these exuberant young Moroccan fellows are double-jabbed, double-boosted, and have green QR codes on their social credit apps.

  27. Great video evidence of an advanced nation, Belgium, getting a lot stupider just lately. Thanks.

  28. Progressivism is at its heart a totalitarian ideology – the government must have total control over what can be published, who can have what job, what investments/industries can exist or must be put out of business, etc. While it was busy tightening its grip on all of our major institutions, the GOP was busy promoting tax cuts and waiving in tens of millions of legal and illegal immigrants.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Arclight

    > the GOP was busy waiving in tens of millions of legal and illegal immigrants.

    A play on words that carries more truth than the original phrase. Nice.

  29. @anonymous
    Can you do a blog on the Death Con 3 triad (Ye, Fuentes, and Trump)? Do you think Jewish organizations will step up repression on speech and political rights?

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @SunBakedSuburb

    Steve has so far refused to discuss this most interesting story. Steve has also refused to say why he’s avoiding the story.

    It’s obvious that Steve doesn’t like to discuss Jewish power in the US and the West in general. He hints at it occasionally but never goes any deeper.

    Steve would rather write about traffic statistics.

    I joke, of course. Steve probably would like to write about West, Trump and Fuentes, but for either personal, financial or career reasons, he avoids the topic.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    From someone who Mr. Sailer knows all too well—The right to FREE SPEECH is the right to be free from most—not all—government restrictions on your speech and enjoy the protection of relevant laws when speaking. All other speech falls under the FREE MARKET. As Twitter begins to fail, Musk will take FREE MARKET actions that reveals he always understood it had nothing to do with freedom of speech.—

    Suffice to say, Mr.Sailer doesn’t want to open up that can of worms during his December push for tin cup narratives.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

  30. Glenn Greenwald has her number – “a powerful, middle-aged front-page reporter with the nation’s most influential paper”.

  31. @R.G. Camara
    Taylor Lorenz is frantic that all her doxxing will be for naught.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-taylor-lorenz-libs-of-tiktok

    Fuck this rich old broad and her schoolyard tattletaling to try to ruin people.

    She wants us bankrupt, unemployed, and with people physically murdering us. And she would laugh if it happened.

    Replies: @Cutter, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Known Fact, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    The funniest part of her Wikipedia bio is her birthday, where you get the day and month but the year’s a guess.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Cutter

    Taylor Lorenz's true age has been a running internet controversy for some time now, which I think is the source of the "old broad" comment. She tries very hard to give the impression that she's much younger than she really is, which apparently is in her early 40's. She also may or may not be married and is purposely vague on that just like she is with her age.

    Supposedly she has a family connection to where she can scrub the Wayback Machine internet archive to remove references to her age.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  32. @R.G. Camara
    Taylor Lorenz is frantic that all her doxxing will be for naught.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-taylor-lorenz-libs-of-tiktok

    Fuck this rich old broad and her schoolyard tattletaling to try to ruin people.

    She wants us bankrupt, unemployed, and with people physically murdering us. And she would laugh if it happened.

    Replies: @Cutter, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Known Fact, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    She wants us bankrupt, unemployed, and with people physically murdering us.

    Pretty much.

    Just the other day she was crowing that we should be getting welded in our homes CCP-style because, “OMG long Covid!”

  33. @P.T.
    Liberals hate free speech.

    Replies: @Renard, @Renard, @Unintended Consequence, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip, @Sam Hildebrand

    Liberals hate free speech.

    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don’t really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don’t mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography...?
     
    Not as easily as a few weeks ago, it seems.
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jonathan Mason

    "Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly."

    I totally agree... so long as *I'm* the one who gets to define what "responsibly" means.

    Like the old saying goes, I'm all for banning hate speech, so long as I get to determine what "hate" is.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jonathan Mason


    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars.
     
    Yeah, because that job belongs The New York Times, the Associated Press, and Bloomberg News.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/opinion/george-floyd-protests-looting.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/world/threats-responses-iraqis-us-says-hussein-intensifies-quest-for-bomb-parts.html

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2022-11-15/poland-hit-by-russian-rockets-ap-says
    , @Dmon
    @Jonathan Mason

    "Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography...?"

    Sure you can.
    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/cuties

    , @kaganovitch
    @Jonathan Mason

    Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography

    I don't think 70+ year old Ecuadorian residents is what Balenciaga is looking for, but by all means, give it a shot.

    , @Hibernian
    @Jonathan Mason


    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly.
     
    Orwell couldn't have said it any better.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @Brutusale

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jonathan Mason

    '...Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly...'

    You are the little authoritarian, aren't you? Is Santa going to get you something especially nice for Christmas?

    , @Colin Wright
    @Jonathan Mason

    '...Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography...'

    You can. You'll be talking to law enforcement in rather short order, but go for it.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jonathan Mason


    Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?
     
    If you did, I don't think anyone here would be too surprised.
    , @silviosilver
    @Jonathan Mason


    Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?
     
    How is that a matter of free speech? Free speech would be the right to speak in favor of those things. If you spoke in favor of the first on that list, I would think you're utter maggot, but allowing you to speak thus would be in line with the free speech principle. (Isn't all this rather elementary?)

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason wrote:


    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.
     
    When I speak, I am using free speech responsibly.

    When you speak, you aren't.

    Understand?
  34. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596941993267322880?t=3hd-MSNPKAeFmac0aiVnrA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596891727217901569?t=H3Smh8a3Gmv16gN5tB3n9g&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596944387279572993?t=l4hKDD6GHKV9107uk8LM4Q&s=19

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Technite78, @Bardon Kaldian, @The Wild Geese Howard, @International Jew, @Alfa158, @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Currahee, @Ian Smith, @Art Deco

    I wonder if any of the people up in that building are wishing they had a right to bear arms like les américains do.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @International Jew

    I reckon they're happier that the North Africans don't have guns.

    Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

  35. @anon
    Twitter getting spicy!

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596925202184564736?s=20&t=D1FrHErzHxPkN6vkbZ9Isw

    Replies: @mc23, @Tiny Duck

    Would not expect Musk to go there. He’s right of course. On twitter one person cited Vindman’s decorations. Another replied most are participation trophies. Only the purple heart is worthy of respect. I am curious if that’s an award in the fashion of John Kerry.

    If Vindman was a Trump partisan he would be scorned by the same people who now praise him uncritically. Whether you like Vindman or not objectively his actions are worthy of scrutiny.

    • Agree: ic1000
  36. @P.T.
    Liberals hate free speech.

    Replies: @Renard, @Renard, @Unintended Consequence, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip, @Sam Hildebrand

    Liberals hate free speech.

    Those who hate free speech are not liberal in any way. They are authoritarian.

    • Replies: @Sam Hildebrand
    @Reg Cæsar


    Those who hate free speech are not liberal in any way. They are authoritarian
     
    Hate speech is free speech that they hate.
  37. It’s been surmised that these blue checkmarks lived like an online aristocracy – they had direct channels to twitter “trust and safety” and could pretty much get anyone who was not famous in his own accord on the right un-personed with a WhatsAp message to Silicon Valley. Twitter’s ever-changing, nebulous “terms of service” were just cover to do this. They’re upset at a mass resurrection of all of the bad people they had made go away at their caprice and how it reflects a total loss of near absolute power – Twitter became what they think the world at large should be: peasants cowering at the power of an old crone like Taylor Lorenz to have them disappeared with no trace.

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Taylor's birth date is listed in Wikipedia as 1984-87 so she's hardly an old crone, just another Millennial. I strongly doubt many people over age 40, male or female, are named Taylor.

  38. @Jonathan Mason
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don't really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don't mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon, @Dmon, @kaganovitch, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @silviosilver, @PhysicistDave

    Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography…?

    Not as easily as a few weeks ago, it seems.

  39. @International Jew
    @Dream

    I wonder if any of the people up in that building are wishing they had a right to bear arms like les américains do.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    I reckon they’re happier that the North Africans don’t have guns.

    • Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Henry's Cat

    What makes you think they don't?

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

  40. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596941993267322880?t=3hd-MSNPKAeFmac0aiVnrA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596891727217901569?t=H3Smh8a3Gmv16gN5tB3n9g&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596944387279572993?t=l4hKDD6GHKV9107uk8LM4Q&s=19

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Technite78, @Bardon Kaldian, @The Wild Geese Howard, @International Jew, @Alfa158, @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Currahee, @Ian Smith, @Art Deco

    Imagine what it would be like if Morocco had lost? Seems to be an African thing. In the US, Blacks also riot whether their team won or lost. It’s just another excuse for the youngsters to bust out and party.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Alfa158

    The best news from Qatar is some retard who works for team America has insulted the team Iran religion.

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/ir-iran/story/4818117/iran-wont-use-off-field-controversy-as-motivation-in-usmnt-clash-carlos-queiroz

    Claimed solidarity with the protesting Iranian feminists.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  41. @P.T.
    Liberals hate free speech.

    Replies: @Renard, @Renard, @Unintended Consequence, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip, @Sam Hildebrand

    I avoid using the term liberal for these people, calling them leftists or progressives instead. Classical liberals are nothing like these people. Closer to libertarians or paleo-conservatives.

  42. @Alfa158
    @Dream

    Imagine what it would be like if Morocco had lost? Seems to be an African thing. In the US, Blacks also riot whether their team won or lost. It’s just another excuse for the youngsters to bust out and party.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The best news from Qatar is some retard who works for team America has insulted the team Iran religion.

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/ir-iran/story/4818117/iran-wont-use-off-field-controversy-as-motivation-in-usmnt-clash-carlos-queiroz

    Claimed solidarity with the protesting Iranian feminists.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Commentary on Iranian games was awash with gibes about the brave protestors and their tyrannical government.

    The game between the two most murderous regimes this century US and England passed by with no mention allowed of their slaughter of millions from countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia etc etc. As I found out, trying to raise the issue get you banned from that bastion of Liberalism, The Guardian.

    And I didn't even mention which country has the world's most imprisoned population.

    Funny dat.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

  43. …to the alarm of activists and online trust and safety experts

    Experts say.

    This sort of cheap sales talk wasn’t such a big deal when it was “9 out of 10 dentists surveyed.” Now, it’s, “Experts in online bullying and misinformation say contradicting leftists on the internet can lead to mass shootings. Therefore…”

  44. @R.G. Camara
    Taylor Lorenz is frantic that all her doxxing will be for naught.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-taylor-lorenz-libs-of-tiktok

    Fuck this rich old broad and her schoolyard tattletaling to try to ruin people.

    She wants us bankrupt, unemployed, and with people physically murdering us. And she would laugh if it happened.

    Replies: @Cutter, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Known Fact, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Rich old broad? She’s only 30-something so she doesn’t even have the excuse of being old

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Known Fact

    She's 43 years old, but she's been deliberately lying about her age to seem "young and hip", since she's covering a technology beat. And to excuse her immaturity.

    https://freebeacon.com/satire/taylor-lorenz-age-investigation/

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Ralph L

  45. @Jonathan Mason
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don't really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don't mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon, @Dmon, @kaganovitch, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @silviosilver, @PhysicistDave

    “Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly.”

    I totally agree… so long as *I’m* the one who gets to define what “responsibly” means.

    Like the old saying goes, I’m all for banning hate speech, so long as I get to determine what “hate” is.

  46. @P.T.
    Liberals hate free speech.

    Replies: @Renard, @Renard, @Unintended Consequence, @Jonathan Mason, @Reg Cæsar, @Flip, @Sam Hildebrand

    Not all free speech is hate speech but all hate speech is free speech. Is hating free speech the opposite of free hate speech? Is it freeing free speech from hate speech or is it hating the free speech that is hate speech?

    This is so confusing, but I’m sure Musk has it figured out.

  47. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596941993267322880?t=3hd-MSNPKAeFmac0aiVnrA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596891727217901569?t=H3Smh8a3Gmv16gN5tB3n9g&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596944387279572993?t=l4hKDD6GHKV9107uk8LM4Q&s=19

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Technite78, @Bardon Kaldian, @The Wild Geese Howard, @International Jew, @Alfa158, @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Currahee, @Ian Smith, @Art Deco

    And now we’ve got the pissing match between US and Iran over our online desecration of their flag. (We took out all that squiggly Muslim stuff in the middle, that’ll show ’em!)

    Thanks to the current win-or-go-home standings this is one dispute that really can be settled on the playing field

  48. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596941993267322880?t=3hd-MSNPKAeFmac0aiVnrA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596891727217901569?t=H3Smh8a3Gmv16gN5tB3n9g&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596944387279572993?t=l4hKDD6GHKV9107uk8LM4Q&s=19

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Technite78, @Bardon Kaldian, @The Wild Geese Howard, @International Jew, @Alfa158, @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Currahee, @Ian Smith, @Art Deco

    How many different ethnic groups of significant size are living in Belgium? How can even the dumbest globalist think Belgium is going to turn into anything other than a big turf war among various groups of resettled third worlders?

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Barnard

    "How can even the dumbest globalist think Belgium is going to turn into anything other than a big turf war among various groups of resettled third worlders?"

    You don't understand: that's the whole (((plan))).

  49. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596941993267322880?t=3hd-MSNPKAeFmac0aiVnrA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596891727217901569?t=H3Smh8a3Gmv16gN5tB3n9g&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596944387279572993?t=l4hKDD6GHKV9107uk8LM4Q&s=19

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Technite78, @Bardon Kaldian, @The Wild Geese Howard, @International Jew, @Alfa158, @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Currahee, @Ian Smith, @Art Deco

    zzzzz, what? huh? zzzzzz……

  50. @R.G. Camara
    Taylor Lorenz is frantic that all her doxxing will be for naught.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-taylor-lorenz-libs-of-tiktok

    Fuck this rich old broad and her schoolyard tattletaling to try to ruin people.

    She wants us bankrupt, unemployed, and with people physically murdering us. And she would laugh if it happened.

    Replies: @Cutter, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Known Fact, @Eustace Tilley (not)

    “Dear Taylor: Got fired from Twitter.
    As an ‘expert’ on ‘safety’, no fitter
    Big Sister than I,
    Banning every guy
    Who at Racial Replacement is bitter.”

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    There once was a man named Tilley
    Who'd limericks post willy-nilly
    Dearly loved he the art
    Though it would break his heart
    To be told they weren't funny but silly

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)

  51. @Reg Cæsar
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Those who hate free speech are not liberal in any way. They are authoritarian.

    Replies: @Sam Hildebrand

    Those who hate free speech are not liberal in any way. They are authoritarian

    Hate speech is free speech that they hate.

  52. Elon Musk plans to reinstate nearly all previously banned Twitter accounts — to the alarm of activists and online trust and safety experts.

    “trust and safety experts”. Note the casual way that members of the megaphone use these Orwellian constructions. They are experts in trust and safety, no doubt sent by the Ministry of Love.

    Also, in every story in which Taylor Lorenz’s name is mentioned, this salient fact must be noted: that Taylor Lorenz is human garbage.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    Taylor Lorenz is human garbage.

    She's pretty much wasted her life (no husband, no children at age 38) and seems to approach every human interaction with acts of effrontery.

  53. @Jonathan Mason
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don't really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don't mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon, @Dmon, @kaganovitch, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @silviosilver, @PhysicistDave

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars.

    Yeah, because that job belongs The New York Times, the Associated Press, and Bloomberg News.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/opinion/george-floyd-protests-looting.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/world/threats-responses-iraqis-us-says-hussein-intensifies-quest-for-bomb-parts.html

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2022-11-15/poland-hit-by-russian-rockets-ap-says

  54. @anon
    Twitter getting spicy!

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1596925202184564736?s=20&t=D1FrHErzHxPkN6vkbZ9Isw

    Replies: @mc23, @Tiny Duck

    Musk needs to be removed from twitter or at least comply with democratic norms. His firing of imoportant staff shows that he does not value fighinting disinofmration and protecting vulberable groups. I hope the Biden Administration gets involved and brings him to justice.

    What he is doing is allowing stochastic terrorism and is going to get journalists and activists killed as well as non right politicians.

    Just look at Paul Pelosi and the attacks on trans people

    Enjoy it while it lasts. No oversight = no advertisers = no Twitter.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Tiny Duck


    Just look at Paul Pelosi
     
    ......we would like to but they won't release the video..........oh' love the spelling.
    , @fish
    @Tiny Duck

    Oh's Tinys….

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Tiny Duck

    By cutting the heads of all the PC gatekeepers and letting the advertisers walk, Twitter will experience organic growth; something is seemingly never had. This will allow posters to find a following and generate a market where advertisers can invest and find a real audience instead of fake ones. This is possibly the most threatening aspect to Musk's move. The current monopolization / rent seeking model that big tech is engaged in won't survive the competition.

    , @NeoLogick
    @Tiny Duck

    *fighting, not fighinting

  55. Oh yeah. “the online trust and safety experts.” Because They Know.

  56. It’s interesting that both Google and Apple are so determined that giant tech should control the conversation that both have threatened to remove twitter from their App stores if Musk does away with censorship and banning.

    It’s a hoot that Musk response was “I don’t want to have to build a smart phone but I will if I have to.”

    And I don’t really doubt him.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Bill Jones


    It’s a hoot that Musk response was “I don’t want to have to build a smart phone but I will if I have to.”
     
    I am sure it would be possible for him to commission a design and market a Muskafone that would have Twitter pre-installed, but is Musk not aware that even on Apple and Android phones you can sideload apps that are not from the default app stores?

    Am I alone in thinking that Musk is now missing a marble or two?

    Replies: @mc23, @PhysicistDave

  57. Steve Kirsch remains blocked at Twitter. He’s counterculture on Covid vaccination. He’s very thoughtful and knowledgeable. Find him at Substack

  58. @Henry's Cat
    @International Jew

    I reckon they're happier that the North Africans don't have guns.

    Replies: @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    What makes you think they don’t?

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.

    Like the Americans have guns, I mean.

  59. @Bill Jones
    It's interesting that both Google and Apple are so determined that giant tech should control the conversation that both have threatened to remove twitter from their App stores if Musk does away with censorship and banning.

    It's a hoot that Musk response was "I don't want to have to build a smart phone but I will if I have to."

    And I don't really doubt him.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    It’s a hoot that Musk response was “I don’t want to have to build a smart phone but I will if I have to.”

    I am sure it would be possible for him to commission a design and market a Muskafone that would have Twitter pre-installed, but is Musk not aware that even on Apple and Android phones you can sideload apps that are not from the default app stores?

    Am I alone in thinking that Musk is now missing a marble or two?

    • Replies: @mc23
    @Jonathan Mason

    Musk is just making it interesting. If Musk put out a phone, let's call it a "Star Link" phone he would only need to attract a fraction of Apples base to hurt them. It would also pose an inconvenience to the NSA and other alphabet agencies. A hypothetical heavily encrypted phone that can be used with a VPN over Starlink or other private network just for starters. Could be a libertarian or Minor Attracted Person’s dream and a surveillance state supersized headache.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason wrote:


    I am sure it would be possible for him to commission a design and market a Muskafone that would have Twitter pre-installed, but is Musk not aware that even on Apple and Android phones you can sideload apps that are not from the default app stores?

    Am I alone in thinking that Musk is now missing a marble or two?
     
    Ah, Jonny, you always have lacked a sense of humor!

    Elon is trolling them, Jonny.

    Just yanking their chain.

    And yours too, it seems.
  60. @Known Fact
    @R.G. Camara

    Rich old broad? She's only 30-something so she doesn't even have the excuse of being old

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    She’s 43 years old, but she’s been deliberately lying about her age to seem “young and hip”, since she’s covering a technology beat. And to excuse her immaturity.

    https://freebeacon.com/satire/taylor-lorenz-age-investigation/

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @R.G. Camara

    I wouldn't put it past that neurotic skank, but even 43 is still not old -- I remember 1998 ... I think

    Replies: @Cutter

    , @Ralph L
    @R.G. Camara

    Did you miss the "satire" in the link?

  61. @Tono-Bungay
    There was a time when any third-rank editor on the Washington Post's staff would have considered it inadmissible to put a quotation in a headline next to the name of someone who DID NOT say it. This is a textbook example of how to insert an editorial into a headline; it is a violation of the most basic principles of honest journalism.

    Replies: @Forbes

    a violation of the most basic principles of honest journalism.

    ‘Honest journalism’ is one of those oxymorons–moronic in too many ways.

  62. @Cutter
    @R.G. Camara

    The funniest part of her Wikipedia bio is her birthday, where you get the day and month but the year's a guess.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    Taylor Lorenz’s true age has been a running internet controversy for some time now, which I think is the source of the “old broad” comment. She tries very hard to give the impression that she’s much younger than she really is, which apparently is in her early 40’s. She also may or may not be married and is purposely vague on that just like she is with her age.

    Supposedly she has a family connection to where she can scrub the Wayback Machine internet archive to remove references to her age.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara, Cutter
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @JR Ewing

    As Mike Cernovich pointed out not too long ago, most corporate reporters these days are young trust-fund or upper class kids who are living off of mommy and daddy as they strive to "hit it big" in infotainment, or else are larping for a bit as reporters in order to push a woke agenda and then take off to run mommy and daddy's business.

    Gone are the days of the blue-collar lifer reporters, guys who made a living off the job and who had families to support and who's brothers/fathers worked construction and as cops and whose mothers were teachers/nurses.

    Likely this is because 95% of corporate media pays below-poverty wages, but with the vague hope that you hit the top 5% and end up with a gig on CNN.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  63. @Unintended Consequence
    @P.T.

    "Liberals hate free speech."

    I can never decide if Musk is an actual conservative except that he's making Twitter safe for right-wing types. I suspect he's more a contrarian than anything else.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    I can never decide if Musk is an actual conservative except that he’s making Twitter safe for right-wing types. I suspect he’s more a contrarian than anything else.

    FWIW, I happen to agree that he’s more of a contrarian than anything else, but that’s the thing: it doesn’t matter what his personal political views are. Or, at least it shouldn’t. Freedom of speech should transcend politics.

    Personally, I’d never dream of censoring people who disagree with me. I literally have a difficult time comprehending the concept.

    That it is so common these days for people to use respect for free speech as an indicator of one’s partisan leanings is disturbing… but if one side sees censorship as a critical component of its political beliefs, then I guess its only sensical to attribute non-censorship to the opposing side.

    • Replies: @BosTex
    @JR Ewing

    Completely agree.

    I was thinking about it today and was thinking that even speech I find noxious (Porn; anything posted by Corvinus or HA) even that should be protected.

    I like to hear opinions from all and annoying or noxious opinions should be heard and available. I am not sure when the Left turned into a group of scolds and busybodies? Perhaps always the case.

    I think the real threat to “our democracy” comes from the Left.

  64. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596941993267322880?t=3hd-MSNPKAeFmac0aiVnrA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596891727217901569?t=H3Smh8a3Gmv16gN5tB3n9g&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596944387279572993?t=l4hKDD6GHKV9107uk8LM4Q&s=19

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Technite78, @Bardon Kaldian, @The Wild Geese Howard, @International Jew, @Alfa158, @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Currahee, @Ian Smith, @Art Deco

    Dang, and here I was thinking that anger at Morocco had united Flemings and Walloons in rage.

  65. According to Wikipedia, Taylor Lorenz is female (I didn’t know this), keeps getting sued by Jewesses (the kind we might like), and is responsible for the spread of the idiocy “OK, boomer”. In other words, there is little reason for us to pay attention to her.

    Taylor Lorenz = Zealotry-lorn.

  66. @Jonathan Mason
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don't really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don't mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon, @Dmon, @kaganovitch, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @silviosilver, @PhysicistDave

    “Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography…?”

    Sure you can.
    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/cuties

  67. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @R.G. Camara

    "Dear Taylor: Got fired from Twitter.
    As an 'expert' on 'safety', no fitter
    Big Sister than I,
    Banning every guy
    Who at Racial Replacement is bitter."

    Replies: @silviosilver

    There once was a man named Tilley
    Who’d limericks post willy-nilly
    Dearly loved he the art
    Though it would break his heart
    To be told they weren’t funny but silly

    • Disagree: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @silviosilver

    SS: I am grateful to hear
    From a critic who's clearly sincere.
    If my lines fail to thrill,
    You may block them at will,
    As I thine, and so both have good cheer.

  68. What stops Musk from opening an alternative app store? Seems easier than designing a new phone.

    • Agree: mc23
    • Replies: @JR Ewing
    @Veteran Aryan

    There used to be third-party app stores but they all seem to have burned out. But you would have to jailbreak your phone to access it, which is a somewhat involved and complex process that can damage your phone and is beyond the capabilities of most phone users. Most people are content to just leave their phone alone and stay within Apple's closed ecosystem.

    Apple's "walled off" App Store was a brilliant idea: it allows them to maintain quality control over what goes onto the phones, for better (malware) or for worse (censorship), and they get a cut of all the money that flows through it.

    Google is a little more "free" in comparison, but it's still pretty hard to get widespread app distribution without access to their centralized store.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  69. Anonymous[121] • Disclaimer says:

    The very idea of amnesty is insulting. Amnesty for what? Amnesty is for people who did something wrong and are being punished for it.

    What did people who got banned on Twitter do that was wrong?

    They called out on Covid fraud. They noticed insane irregularities in 2020 election and polling. They said a man is not a woman. They noticed Jewish monopoly power and its ills.

    People who search or speak the truth need amnesty?

    If Musk has any decency, he should permanently ban those who called for suppression of truthseekers and truthtellers. Then, let THEM beg for amnesty.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    “If Musk has any decency, he should permanently ban those who called for suppression of truthseekers and truthtellers. Then, let THEM beg for amnesty.”

    Wait, I thought Musk is a champion for unfettered free speech on Twitter. That’s what he says. So if he implements your suggestion, then he is being hypocritical. How do you address that discrepancy?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  70. Who is this Taylor Lorenz person, and why is she so important to some people?

    By the way, the pretend encyclopedia gives the exact date of birth for
    Steve, Peter Brimelow, and Jared Taylor, but not for her, though there’s an endless discussion of the matter.

  71. @R.G. Camara
    @Known Fact

    She's 43 years old, but she's been deliberately lying about her age to seem "young and hip", since she's covering a technology beat. And to excuse her immaturity.

    https://freebeacon.com/satire/taylor-lorenz-age-investigation/

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Ralph L

    I wouldn’t put it past that neurotic skank, but even 43 is still not old — I remember 1998 … I think

    • Replies: @Cutter
    @Known Fact

    I believe she's 38. And got engaged almost 8 years ago but never married. 110 years ago, she'd have been a suffragette.

  72. @JR Ewing
    @Cutter

    Taylor Lorenz's true age has been a running internet controversy for some time now, which I think is the source of the "old broad" comment. She tries very hard to give the impression that she's much younger than she really is, which apparently is in her early 40's. She also may or may not be married and is purposely vague on that just like she is with her age.

    Supposedly she has a family connection to where she can scrub the Wayback Machine internet archive to remove references to her age.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    As Mike Cernovich pointed out not too long ago, most corporate reporters these days are young trust-fund or upper class kids who are living off of mommy and daddy as they strive to “hit it big” in infotainment, or else are larping for a bit as reporters in order to push a woke agenda and then take off to run mommy and daddy’s business.

    Gone are the days of the blue-collar lifer reporters, guys who made a living off the job and who had families to support and who’s brothers/fathers worked construction and as cops and whose mothers were teachers/nurses.

    Likely this is because 95% of corporate media pays below-poverty wages, but with the vague hope that you hit the top 5% and end up with a gig on CNN.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @R.G. Camara

    The mean annual wage for journalists is currently about $63,000. Not a poverty wage. People with comparable compensation are career counselors, probation officers, voTech teachers, social workers, and museum curators.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

  73. @Zelo
    It's hard to imagine any white celebrity having the courage of Kanye West, Kyrie, or Dave Chappelle.


    https://twitter.com/LegendaryEnergy/status/1597108128666898433?t=JuMP_xhFmVC3MOAYJzn5ZA&s=19

    Replies: @Muggles, @fnn

    It’s hard to imagine any white celebrity having the courage of Kanye West, Kyrie, or Dave Chappelle.

    Black privilege.

    If a “White celebrity” did similar, they would be (and have been) cancelled, fired. shunned, attacked, etc.

    A lot of celebrities (Kathy Griffin, Alec Baldwin, The View gals, etc.) say (anti White) racist things and other crazy Woke nonsense, even “hate” undisguised, but other than Fox and a few rightwing blogs, carry on merrily. Even get plush new gigs.

    The average (non corrupt, non grifter) black person isn’t Woke in the usual sense. They are not Green or EndoftheWorld fatalists, or in love with transmania and CrazyWoman feminism.

    Blacks as a group may have their faults, but being Comrade-Woke isn’t one of them. That’s a side effect of being raised more religious, usually, and not being over/mis educated at “elite” institutions devoted to brainwashing GoodThink into their students.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Muggles


    If a “White celebrity” did similar, they would be (and have been) cancelled, fired. shunned, attacked, etc.
     
    Kanye wasn't spared any of that because he's black. He was attacked and threatened, deplatformed and robbed of billions overnight.

    The difference is Kanye didn't back down and said it sober, unlike Mel Gibson who said it drunk and backed down and groveled.

    For Jews, the Jewish-Black Alliance is deeply important as moral blackmail against whites. The Holocaust People and Slavery People united against white baddies who must repent forever.

    This is why the current power will not forgive any black and any Jew who threaten this symbiotic relationship. So, Kanye got the treatment just as severe as Donald Sterling, who was forced to sell off LA Clippers.

    Jews can say lots of things and heap abuse on white, Russians, Iranians, and etc but they mustn't badmouth Jews. And blacks can abuse any group except Jews.

    So, Jewish Power attacked Sterling to show blacks that it won't tolerate any Jew who is insensitive toward blacks. And it now attacks Kanye for saying the obvious. At Ivy Leagues, Cornel West was met with difficulty because he openly expressed sympathy for Palestinians, something most black academics were unwilling to do, not least to maintain the alliance of Jews and blacks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiF9fI47E9A
  74. @anonymous
    Can you do a blog on the Death Con 3 triad (Ye, Fuentes, and Trump)? Do you think Jewish organizations will step up repression on speech and political rights?

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @SunBakedSuburb

    “Can you do a blog on the Death Con 3 triad (Ye, Fuentes, and Trump)?”

    Are you asking me or Steve? What’s a Ye?

    “Do you think Jewish organizations will step up repression on speech and political rights?”

    Excepting pornography, when have they not? Did the Fuentes guy invent Taco Bell?

  75. @Arclight
    Progressivism is at its heart a totalitarian ideology - the government must have total control over what can be published, who can have what job, what investments/industries can exist or must be put out of business, etc. While it was busy tightening its grip on all of our major institutions, the GOP was busy promoting tax cuts and waiving in tens of millions of legal and illegal immigrants.

    Replies: @ic1000

    > the GOP was busy waiving in tens of millions of legal and illegal immigrants.

    A play on words that carries more truth than the original phrase. Nice.

  76. @Tiny Duck
    @anon

    Musk needs to be removed from twitter or at least comply with democratic norms. His firing of imoportant staff shows that he does not value fighinting disinofmration and protecting vulberable groups. I hope the Biden Administration gets involved and brings him to justice.

    What he is doing is allowing stochastic terrorism and is going to get journalists and activists killed as well as non right politicians.

    Just look at Paul Pelosi and the attacks on trans people

    Enjoy it while it lasts. No oversight = no advertisers = no Twitter.

    Replies: @tyrone, @fish, @Prof. Woland, @NeoLogick

    Just look at Paul Pelosi

    ……we would like to but they won’t release the video……….oh’ love the spelling.

  77. @Jonathan Mason
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don't really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don't mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon, @Dmon, @kaganovitch, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @silviosilver, @PhysicistDave

    Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography

    I don’t think 70+ year old Ecuadorian residents is what Balenciaga is looking for, but by all means, give it a shot.

  78. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @anonymous

    Steve has so far refused to discuss this most interesting story. Steve has also refused to say why he's avoiding the story.

    It's obvious that Steve doesn't like to discuss Jewish power in the US and the West in general. He hints at it occasionally but never goes any deeper.

    Steve would rather write about traffic statistics.

    I joke, of course. Steve probably would like to write about West, Trump and Fuentes, but for either personal, financial or career reasons, he avoids the topic.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    From someone who Mr. Sailer knows all too well—The right to FREE SPEECH is the right to be free from most—not all—government restrictions on your speech and enjoy the protection of relevant laws when speaking. All other speech falls under the FREE MARKET. As Twitter begins to fail, Musk will take FREE MARKET actions that reveals he always understood it had nothing to do with freedom of speech.—

    Suffice to say, Mr.Sailer doesn’t want to open up that can of worms during his December push for tin cup narratives.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Corvinus

    The "free market" is a magic utopian fairyland that has never existed and never will due to three inherent characteristics of unregulated or underregulated capitalism: rent-seeking (bribery, political "donations"), incentives for monopoly/oligopoly, and externalities (e.g. pollution, offloaded social costs such as hiring of illegal immigrants).

    If we are going to choose between lightly regulating capitalism or fundamental individual liberties– and it seems increasingly clear that this is the choice– we should choose the latter.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  79. @Anonymous
    The very idea of amnesty is insulting. Amnesty for what? Amnesty is for people who did something wrong and are being punished for it.

    What did people who got banned on Twitter do that was wrong?

    They called out on Covid fraud. They noticed insane irregularities in 2020 election and polling. They said a man is not a woman. They noticed Jewish monopoly power and its ills.

    People who search or speak the truth need amnesty?

    If Musk has any decency, he should permanently ban those who called for suppression of truthseekers and truthtellers. Then, let THEM beg for amnesty.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “If Musk has any decency, he should permanently ban those who called for suppression of truthseekers and truthtellers. Then, let THEM beg for amnesty.”

    Wait, I thought Musk is a champion for unfettered free speech on Twitter. That’s what he says. So if he implements your suggestion, then he is being hypocritical. How do you address that discrepancy?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Corvinus


    Wait, I thought Musk is a champion for unfettered free speech on Twitter.
     
    The hell with Musk, that white supremacist hater.

    We are with Taylor Lorenz! Free Speech is evil!

    I say do her a favor and listen to her advice. She says free speech is dangerous! She's right.

    All who say Free Speech will lead to death and mayhem, we agree.

    Free speech for Neocons led to Wars for Israel and killed so many Arabs. WMD anyone?

    Free speech for Nuland and others of her Anti-Russia ilk led to the Ukraine War that had led to so many deaths.

    Free speech for homos led to more sexual debauchery and spread of fatal diseases.

    Free speech for trannies led to record number of genital mutilations.

    Free speech for BLM led to more dead blacks and victims of blacks.

    Free speech for CIA led to more subversion here and abroad and more deaths.

    Free speech for Big Pharma led to lies about Covid and the bogus jab. So many died.

    Free speech kills! So, take away the hate speech, crazy speech, and bogus speech of Neocons, homos, trannies, BLM, CIA, and Big Pharma.

    We must do away with their free speech that kills. We must save the babies. Save the Syrian babies from Neocon free speech mass murderers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELNL_vRX4eQ

    Replies: @Corvinus

  80. @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    It's been surmised that these blue checkmarks lived like an online aristocracy - they had direct channels to twitter "trust and safety" and could pretty much get anyone who was not famous in his own accord on the right un-personed with a WhatsAp message to Silicon Valley. Twitter's ever-changing, nebulous "terms of service" were just cover to do this. They're upset at a mass resurrection of all of the bad people they had made go away at their caprice and how it reflects a total loss of near absolute power - Twitter became what they think the world at large should be: peasants cowering at the power of an old crone like Taylor Lorenz to have them disappeared with no trace.

    Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil

    Taylor’s birth date is listed in Wikipedia as 1984-87 so she’s hardly an old crone, just another Millennial. I strongly doubt many people over age 40, male or female, are named Taylor.

  81. @Jonathan Mason
    @Bill Jones


    It’s a hoot that Musk response was “I don’t want to have to build a smart phone but I will if I have to.”
     
    I am sure it would be possible for him to commission a design and market a Muskafone that would have Twitter pre-installed, but is Musk not aware that even on Apple and Android phones you can sideload apps that are not from the default app stores?

    Am I alone in thinking that Musk is now missing a marble or two?

    Replies: @mc23, @PhysicistDave

    Musk is just making it interesting. If Musk put out a phone, let’s call it a “Star Link” phone he would only need to attract a fraction of Apples base to hurt them. It would also pose an inconvenience to the NSA and other alphabet agencies. A hypothetical heavily encrypted phone that can be used with a VPN over Starlink or other private network just for starters. Could be a libertarian or Minor Attracted Person’s dream and a surveillance state supersized headache.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @mc23

    He needs to put out a phone that allows all copies of messages and mail to be erased on his network at the phone users whim. Let him make a contract with users that their data is theirs so that users can erase it if they wish. Why is data kept around for the government to grab it at their convenience? Huh AT&T, Verizon? Screw the government desires, how about the desired of the people paying for the service?

    Sebastian Gorka complains bitterly about the cell phone service giving his data to the government.

    Replies: @mc23

  82. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Alfa158

    The best news from Qatar is some retard who works for team America has insulted the team Iran religion.

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/ir-iran/story/4818117/iran-wont-use-off-field-controversy-as-motivation-in-usmnt-clash-carlos-queiroz

    Claimed solidarity with the protesting Iranian feminists.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Commentary on Iranian games was awash with gibes about the brave protestors and their tyrannical government.

    The game between the two most murderous regimes this century US and England passed by with no mention allowed of their slaughter of millions from countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia etc etc. As I found out, trying to raise the issue get you banned from that bastion of Liberalism, The Guardian.

    And I didn’t even mention which country has the world’s most imprisoned population.

    Funny dat.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Bill Jones

    "And I didn’t even mention which country has the world’s most imprisoned population"

    North Korea has a population of 26 million.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  83. Anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    “If Musk has any decency, he should permanently ban those who called for suppression of truthseekers and truthtellers. Then, let THEM beg for amnesty.”

    Wait, I thought Musk is a champion for unfettered free speech on Twitter. That’s what he says. So if he implements your suggestion, then he is being hypocritical. How do you address that discrepancy?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Wait, I thought Musk is a champion for unfettered free speech on Twitter.

    The hell with Musk, that white supremacist hater.

    We are with Taylor Lorenz! Free Speech is evil!

    I say do her a favor and listen to her advice. She says free speech is dangerous! She’s right.

    All who say Free Speech will lead to death and mayhem, we agree.

    Free speech for Neocons led to Wars for Israel and killed so many Arabs. WMD anyone?

    Free speech for Nuland and others of her Anti-Russia ilk led to the Ukraine War that had led to so many deaths.

    Free speech for homos led to more sexual debauchery and spread of fatal diseases.

    Free speech for trannies led to record number of genital mutilations.

    Free speech for BLM led to more dead blacks and victims of blacks.

    Free speech for CIA led to more subversion here and abroad and more deaths.

    Free speech for Big Pharma led to lies about Covid and the bogus jab. So many died.

    Free speech kills! So, take away the hate speech, crazy speech, and bogus speech of Neocons, homos, trannies, BLM, CIA, and Big Pharma.

    We must do away with their free speech that kills. We must save the babies. Save the Syrian babies from Neocon free speech mass murderers.

    • Agree: Peterike
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    What you are saying contradicts Musk. He touts unfettered free speech. So, in essence, you favor limiting free speech to only speech you approve of. That's fascism.

    "Free speech for Neocons led to Wars for Israel and killed so many Arabs. WMD anyone?"

    Since when are you concerned about Muzzies?

    "Free speech for Nuland and others of her Anti-Russia ilk led to the Ukraine War that had led to so many deaths."

    No, it's Putin's War.

    "Free speech kills! So, take away the hate speech, crazy speech, and bogus speech of Neocons, homos, trannies, BLM, CIA, and Big Pharma."

    You're really off the rails here.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  84. @silviosilver
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    There once was a man named Tilley
    Who'd limericks post willy-nilly
    Dearly loved he the art
    Though it would break his heart
    To be told they weren't funny but silly

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)

    SS: I am grateful to hear
    From a critic who’s clearly sincere.
    If my lines fail to thrill,
    You may block them at will,
    As I thine, and so both have good cheer.

  85. @JR Ewing
    @Unintended Consequence


    I can never decide if Musk is an actual conservative except that he’s making Twitter safe for right-wing types. I suspect he’s more a contrarian than anything else.
     
    FWIW, I happen to agree that he's more of a contrarian than anything else, but that's the thing: it doesn't matter what his personal political views are. Or, at least it shouldn't. Freedom of speech should transcend politics.

    Personally, I'd never dream of censoring people who disagree with me. I literally have a difficult time comprehending the concept.

    That it is so common these days for people to use respect for free speech as an indicator of one's partisan leanings is disturbing... but if one side sees censorship as a critical component of its political beliefs, then I guess its only sensical to attribute non-censorship to the opposing side.

    Replies: @BosTex

    Completely agree.

    I was thinking about it today and was thinking that even speech I find noxious (Porn; anything posted by Corvinus or HA) even that should be protected.

    I like to hear opinions from all and annoying or noxious opinions should be heard and available. I am not sure when the Left turned into a group of scolds and busybodies? Perhaps always the case.

    I think the real threat to “our democracy” comes from the Left.

  86. @R.G. Camara
    @Known Fact

    She's 43 years old, but she's been deliberately lying about her age to seem "young and hip", since she's covering a technology beat. And to excuse her immaturity.

    https://freebeacon.com/satire/taylor-lorenz-age-investigation/

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Ralph L

    Did you miss the “satire” in the link?

  87. @Jonathan Mason
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don't really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don't mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon, @Dmon, @kaganovitch, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @silviosilver, @PhysicistDave

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly.

    Orwell couldn’t have said it any better.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Hibernian


    Orwell couldn’t have said it any better.
     
    Winston Smith’s famous line in Nineteen Eighty-Four is: “Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”

    But what if people want to say 2 + 2 = 5?

    Freedom of expression is surely a dangerous licence when it is severed from any commitment to truth.

    In any case, while people have been prevented from saying certain things on Twitter, for example use of the n-word, I am not aware of any cases in which posters have been arrested, imprisoned, or tortured by the management of Twitter.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Hibernian

    You might also want to think about what Orwell said here in the unpublished preface to Animal Farm that was found in his papers after his death. (You will remember that it was quite difficult for him to get Animal Farm published originally, because it was considered to be an attack on Russia which was an ally against Nazi Germany.)


    The same principle is contained in the famous words of Voltaire: ‘I detest what you say; I will defend to the death your right to say it.’ If the intellectual liberty which without a doubt has been one of the distinguishing marks of western civilisation means anything at all, it means that everyone shall have the right to say and to print what he believes to be the truth, provided only that it does not harm the rest of the community in some quite unmistakable way.

    The interesting part is the proviso contained in the last two lines. Elon Musk would be well advised to study Orwell in much greater detail.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Brutusale
    @Hibernian

    Your first mistake is listening to people bloviate about a right that they've never had and don't understand in their bones.

  88. Anonymous[934] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles
    @Zelo


    It’s hard to imagine any white celebrity having the courage of Kanye West, Kyrie, or Dave Chappelle.
     
    Black privilege.

    If a "White celebrity" did similar, they would be (and have been) cancelled, fired. shunned, attacked, etc.

    A lot of celebrities (Kathy Griffin, Alec Baldwin, The View gals, etc.) say (anti White) racist things and other crazy Woke nonsense, even "hate" undisguised, but other than Fox and a few rightwing blogs, carry on merrily. Even get plush new gigs.

    The average (non corrupt, non grifter) black person isn't Woke in the usual sense. They are not Green or EndoftheWorld fatalists, or in love with transmania and CrazyWoman feminism.

    Blacks as a group may have their faults, but being Comrade-Woke isn't one of them. That's a side effect of being raised more religious, usually, and not being over/mis educated at "elite" institutions devoted to brainwashing GoodThink into their students.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    If a “White celebrity” did similar, they would be (and have been) cancelled, fired. shunned, attacked, etc.

    Kanye wasn’t spared any of that because he’s black. He was attacked and threatened, deplatformed and robbed of billions overnight.

    The difference is Kanye didn’t back down and said it sober, unlike Mel Gibson who said it drunk and backed down and groveled.

    For Jews, the Jewish-Black Alliance is deeply important as moral blackmail against whites. The Holocaust People and Slavery People united against white baddies who must repent forever.

    This is why the current power will not forgive any black and any Jew who threaten this symbiotic relationship. So, Kanye got the treatment just as severe as Donald Sterling, who was forced to sell off LA Clippers.

    Jews can say lots of things and heap abuse on white, Russians, Iranians, and etc but they mustn’t badmouth Jews. And blacks can abuse any group except Jews.

    So, Jewish Power attacked Sterling to show blacks that it won’t tolerate any Jew who is insensitive toward blacks. And it now attacks Kanye for saying the obvious. At Ivy Leagues, Cornel West was met with difficulty because he openly expressed sympathy for Palestinians, something most black academics were unwilling to do, not least to maintain the alliance of Jews and blacks.

  89. @Tiny Duck
    @anon

    Musk needs to be removed from twitter or at least comply with democratic norms. His firing of imoportant staff shows that he does not value fighinting disinofmration and protecting vulberable groups. I hope the Biden Administration gets involved and brings him to justice.

    What he is doing is allowing stochastic terrorism and is going to get journalists and activists killed as well as non right politicians.

    Just look at Paul Pelosi and the attacks on trans people

    Enjoy it while it lasts. No oversight = no advertisers = no Twitter.

    Replies: @tyrone, @fish, @Prof. Woland, @NeoLogick

    Oh’s Tinys….

  90. …and here I was thinking the headline meant no amnesty for Taylor Lorenz.

  91. @Jonathan Mason
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don't really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don't mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon, @Dmon, @kaganovitch, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @silviosilver, @PhysicistDave

    ‘…Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly…’

    You are the little authoritarian, aren’t you? Is Santa going to get you something especially nice for Christmas?

  92. @Jonathan Mason
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don't really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don't mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon, @Dmon, @kaganovitch, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @silviosilver, @PhysicistDave

    ‘…Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography…’

    You can. You’ll be talking to law enforcement in rather short order, but go for it.

  93. @Tiny Duck
    @anon

    Musk needs to be removed from twitter or at least comply with democratic norms. His firing of imoportant staff shows that he does not value fighinting disinofmration and protecting vulberable groups. I hope the Biden Administration gets involved and brings him to justice.

    What he is doing is allowing stochastic terrorism and is going to get journalists and activists killed as well as non right politicians.

    Just look at Paul Pelosi and the attacks on trans people

    Enjoy it while it lasts. No oversight = no advertisers = no Twitter.

    Replies: @tyrone, @fish, @Prof. Woland, @NeoLogick

    By cutting the heads of all the PC gatekeepers and letting the advertisers walk, Twitter will experience organic growth; something is seemingly never had. This will allow posters to find a following and generate a market where advertisers can invest and find a real audience instead of fake ones. This is possibly the most threatening aspect to Musk’s move. The current monopolization / rent seeking model that big tech is engaged in won’t survive the competition.

  94. @Hibernian
    @Jonathan Mason


    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly.
     
    Orwell couldn't have said it any better.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @Brutusale

    Orwell couldn’t have said it any better.

    Winston Smith’s famous line in Nineteen Eighty-Four is: “Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”

    But what if people want to say 2 + 2 = 5?

    Freedom of expression is surely a dangerous licence when it is severed from any commitment to truth.

    In any case, while people have been prevented from saying certain things on Twitter, for example use of the n-word, I am not aware of any cases in which posters have been arrested, imprisoned, or tortured by the management of Twitter.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason wrote to Hibernian:


    But what if people want to say 2 + 2 = 5?
     
    Then free men and women can decide for themselves whether or not 2+2 really equals 5!

    That is the whole idea of freedom, Jonny.

    You don't decide, the state does not decide, the church does not decide, the experts do not decide.

    Each man and woman makes up his or her own mind.

    Can you grasp that?

    No, of course you can't, because you do not grasp the basic idea of freedom: we get to decide for ourselves.

    Jonny also wrote:

    Freedom of expression is surely a dangerous licence when it is severed from any commitment to truth.
     
    That is the whole idea -- freedom is supposed to be dangerous.

    Fatally dangerous to all those determined to exercise tyranny over the mind of man.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason

  95. @Hibernian
    @Jonathan Mason


    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly.
     
    Orwell couldn't have said it any better.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @Brutusale

    You might also want to think about what Orwell said here in the unpublished preface to Animal Farm that was found in his papers after his death. (You will remember that it was quite difficult for him to get Animal Farm published originally, because it was considered to be an attack on Russia which was an ally against Nazi Germany.)

    The same principle is contained in the famous words of Voltaire: ‘I detest what you say; I will defend to the death your right to say it.’ If the intellectual liberty which without a doubt has been one of the distinguishing marks of western civilisation means anything at all, it means that everyone shall have the right to say and to print what he believes to be the truth, provided only that it does not harm the rest of the community in some quite unmistakable way.

    The interesting part is the proviso contained in the last two lines. Elon Musk would be well advised to study Orwell in much greater detail.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jonathan Mason


    ...provided only that it does not harm the rest of the community in some quite unmistakable way.
     
    And who gets to decide when that is true? I say that allowing some people to say 2+2=5 on their own dime doesn't "harm the rest of the community in some quite unmistakable way" because the vast majority of us are smart enough not to believe it. Now when "2+2=5" is enacted into law by the power of the state, then, Houston, we have a problem.
  96. @Zelo
    It's hard to imagine any white celebrity having the courage of Kanye West, Kyrie, or Dave Chappelle.


    https://twitter.com/LegendaryEnergy/status/1597108128666898433?t=JuMP_xhFmVC3MOAYJzn5ZA&s=19

    Replies: @Muggles, @fnn

    Remember what happened to the white Cuban Rick Sanchez. He was fired from CNN the day after he made some “remarks” on a radio show. After a tough few years he wound up doing a show for RT America, but then the whole of RT America came to an abrupt end with the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

  97. By that criterion the Soviet union had freedom of speech. The law permitted you to say whatever you liked, so long as you didn’t tell “lies”.

    • Thanks: Hibernian
  98. @Jonathan Mason
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don't really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don't mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon, @Dmon, @kaganovitch, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @silviosilver, @PhysicistDave

    Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    If you did, I don’t think anyone here would be too surprised.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • LOL: JohnnyWalker123
  99. @Jonathan Mason
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don't really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don't mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon, @Dmon, @kaganovitch, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @silviosilver, @PhysicistDave

    Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    How is that a matter of free speech? Free speech would be the right to speak in favor of those things. If you spoke in favor of the first on that list, I would think you’re utter maggot, but allowing you to speak thus would be in line with the free speech principle. (Isn’t all this rather elementary?)

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @silviosilver

    Okay, but how can Twitter stop people from posting such things if they have no censorship department any more?

    Actually you agree with me that lines must be drawn. The only question is where the lines are drawn and who draws them.

    This actually varies from country to country and Twitter is a global app. For example some countries have laws against blasphemy, which of the US doesn't have, so you have to have separate censorship departments to protect the Twitterati in those countries.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  100. @Tiny Duck
    @anon

    Musk needs to be removed from twitter or at least comply with democratic norms. His firing of imoportant staff shows that he does not value fighinting disinofmration and protecting vulberable groups. I hope the Biden Administration gets involved and brings him to justice.

    What he is doing is allowing stochastic terrorism and is going to get journalists and activists killed as well as non right politicians.

    Just look at Paul Pelosi and the attacks on trans people

    Enjoy it while it lasts. No oversight = no advertisers = no Twitter.

    Replies: @tyrone, @fish, @Prof. Woland, @NeoLogick

    *fighting, not fighinting

  101. @Jonathan Mason
    @Bill Jones


    It’s a hoot that Musk response was “I don’t want to have to build a smart phone but I will if I have to.”
     
    I am sure it would be possible for him to commission a design and market a Muskafone that would have Twitter pre-installed, but is Musk not aware that even on Apple and Android phones you can sideload apps that are not from the default app stores?

    Am I alone in thinking that Musk is now missing a marble or two?

    Replies: @mc23, @PhysicistDave

    Jonathan Mason wrote:

    I am sure it would be possible for him to commission a design and market a Muskafone that would have Twitter pre-installed, but is Musk not aware that even on Apple and Android phones you can sideload apps that are not from the default app stores?

    Am I alone in thinking that Musk is now missing a marble or two?

    Ah, Jonny, you always have lacked a sense of humor!

    Elon is trolling them, Jonny.

    Just yanking their chain.

    And yours too, it seems.

  102. @Jonathan Mason
    @P.T.


    Liberals hate free speech.
     
    Free speech is okay, but it is best to be pragmatic rather than to look at this from different poles of the political spectrum.

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    I have had numerous comments deleted from The Guardian for unknown reasons. I always avoid obscenity and ad hominem attacks and other items that are contrary to the terms of service.

    On one occasion I rewrote a post that had been deleted, removing wording that I thought some people might find offensive, but the result was that the second post was also deleted and I was suspended all together for 90 days!!

    I don't really care if The Guardian is depriving its readers of my wisdom. It is their loss. Sooner or later I will post the same thing somewhere else.

    However I just think that anybody who is publishing something online has to be careful about publishing rabble-rousing incitements to riot or overthrow elected governments, or start wars. Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?

    I don't mind if this kind of stuff is deleted.

    So maybe reports on soccer games should be suppressed too. We can start with the Iran versus USA match. What good can come from people knowing the result which will only lead to riots, burning of flags, and to danger to the life of the referee?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon, @Dmon, @kaganovitch, @Hibernian, @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright, @Mr. Anon, @silviosilver, @PhysicistDave

    Jonathan Mason wrote:

    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly. People get pissed off if their missives to the public are censored.

    When I speak, I am using free speech responsibly.

    When you speak, you aren’t.

    Understand?

  103. @Jonathan Mason
    @Hibernian


    Orwell couldn’t have said it any better.
     
    Winston Smith’s famous line in Nineteen Eighty-Four is: “Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”

    But what if people want to say 2 + 2 = 5?

    Freedom of expression is surely a dangerous licence when it is severed from any commitment to truth.

    In any case, while people have been prevented from saying certain things on Twitter, for example use of the n-word, I am not aware of any cases in which posters have been arrested, imprisoned, or tortured by the management of Twitter.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Jonathan Mason wrote to Hibernian:

    But what if people want to say 2 + 2 = 5?

    Then free men and women can decide for themselves whether or not 2+2 really equals 5!

    That is the whole idea of freedom, Jonny.

    You don’t decide, the state does not decide, the church does not decide, the experts do not decide.

    Each man and woman makes up his or her own mind.

    Can you grasp that?

    No, of course you can’t, because you do not grasp the basic idea of freedom: we get to decide for ourselves.

    Jonny also wrote:

    Freedom of expression is surely a dangerous licence when it is severed from any commitment to truth.

    That is the whole idea — freedom is supposed to be dangerous.

    Fatally dangerous to all those determined to exercise tyranny over the mind of man.

    • Thanks: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @PhysicistDave

    And if a majority decides that 2 + 2 = 5 and and enacts it into law? Then you have buildings regularly falling down because they are too high and wobbly?

    It would be like that in a truly Christian fundamentalist biblical state. The law would be that pi equals 3, as stated in the book of Kings.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @PhysicistDave


    That is the whole idea — freedom is supposed to be dangerous.
     
    That's where you and I fundamentally disagree.

    The world is teetering on the edge of a nuclear war in Ukraine that could escalate into something that could destroy civilization.

    Riots and even wars can be triggered by soccer results.

    The insulting of the Iranian flag online by the US soccer organization could potentially be the beginning of an escalation that would lead to exchanges of insults and ultimately to war.

    People are silly like that. Personally I couldn't care less if people wipe their butt with the Union Jack or the Stars and Stripes, but some people would go to war over it, or more likely would be manipulated to go to war over it by others.

    Civilization is fragile. A first shot fired by Tweet could start a war.

    If you think freedom is supposed to be dangerous, you can go and help out in Ukraine, or Russia and enjoy your danger, whichever you prefer, but this isn't the world that I want for my daughters and grandchildren.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @PhysicistDave, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anonymous

  104. @Veteran Aryan
    What stops Musk from opening an alternative app store? Seems easier than designing a new phone.

    Replies: @JR Ewing

    There used to be third-party app stores but they all seem to have burned out. But you would have to jailbreak your phone to access it, which is a somewhat involved and complex process that can damage your phone and is beyond the capabilities of most phone users. Most people are content to just leave their phone alone and stay within Apple’s closed ecosystem.

    Apple’s “walled off” App Store was a brilliant idea: it allows them to maintain quality control over what goes onto the phones, for better (malware) or for worse (censorship), and they get a cut of all the money that flows through it.

    Google is a little more “free” in comparison, but it’s still pretty hard to get widespread app distribution without access to their centralized store.

    • Thanks: Eustace Tilley (not)
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @JR Ewing

    You don't have to jailbreak phones to sideload third party apps. You just have to go into the settings and allow apps from unknown sources.

    At least that is the way it is on Android. Does Apple really block third party apps? Why do Apple pipsqueaks tolerate this?

    Also you can usually use a VPN if you want to change your location and download apps from different continents.

    However, if Elon Musk thinks that the best way to distribute Twitter will be to market his own phone and app store, he may end up biting off more than he can chew and will look like a global twit.

    My take on the whole thing is that the hostile takeover of Twitter was an act of bravado on the part of Musk who was miffed at seeing some people he liked banned from Twitter.

    (Yeah, the censorship team at Twitter were insufferably pompous asses in some cases.)

    Musk was then horrified when his offer was accepted, and immediately tried to pull out, but it was too late.

    Musk was already on probation with the SEC for stock manipulation violations, and possibly faced going to prison, so he was forced to buy the company that was not worth anything like the amount of money he was paying, unless he could make it much more profitable than it had been before.

    Being somewhat grandiose, Musk believed that he could turn Twitter around and make it into a money printing machine, but it seems that now he is running into headwinds. When you decide to take on companies like Apple head-on, you may end up in the juicer.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

  105. @Known Fact
    @R.G. Camara

    I wouldn't put it past that neurotic skank, but even 43 is still not old -- I remember 1998 ... I think

    Replies: @Cutter

    I believe she’s 38. And got engaged almost 8 years ago but never married. 110 years ago, she’d have been a suffragette.

  106. @Technite78
    @Dream

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-club-world-cup/story/4816778/riots-in-brussels-after-morocco-beat-belgium-at-world-cup


    Brussels mayor Philippe Close urged people to stay away from the city center and said authorities were doing their utmost to keep order in the streets. Even subway and tram traffic had to be interrupted on police orders.
     

    "Those are not fans, they are rioters. Moroccan fans are there to celebrate,'' Close said. There were also disturbances in the city of Antwerp and Liege.

     


    Police in the neighboring Netherlands said violence erupted in the port city of Rotterdam, with riot officers attempting to break up a group of 500 soccer supporters who pelted police with fireworks and glass. Media reported unrest in the capital Amsterdam and The Hague.

    Morocco's victory was a major upset at the World Cup and was enthusiastically celebrated by fans with Moroccan immigrant roots in many Belgian and Dutch cities.
     
    What they are "enthusiastically" celebrating is their gradual conquest of the Low Countries.

    Replies: @John Pepple

    What they are “enthusiastically” celebrating is their gradual conquest of the Low Countries.

    Yup. I spent twenty years warning elites not to allow any Muslims into the West, and they ignored me. Now I’m telling them it’s too late to do anything about it.

    Also, anyone who watched the Belgium versus Canada game was not shocked by Morocco’s win.

  107. @Hibernian
    @Jonathan Mason


    Free speech is fine as long as it is used responsibly.
     
    Orwell couldn't have said it any better.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason, @Brutusale

    Your first mistake is listening to people bloviate about a right that they’ve never had and don’t understand in their bones.

  108. @JR Ewing
    @Veteran Aryan

    There used to be third-party app stores but they all seem to have burned out. But you would have to jailbreak your phone to access it, which is a somewhat involved and complex process that can damage your phone and is beyond the capabilities of most phone users. Most people are content to just leave their phone alone and stay within Apple's closed ecosystem.

    Apple's "walled off" App Store was a brilliant idea: it allows them to maintain quality control over what goes onto the phones, for better (malware) or for worse (censorship), and they get a cut of all the money that flows through it.

    Google is a little more "free" in comparison, but it's still pretty hard to get widespread app distribution without access to their centralized store.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    You don’t have to jailbreak phones to sideload third party apps. You just have to go into the settings and allow apps from unknown sources.

    At least that is the way it is on Android. Does Apple really block third party apps? Why do Apple pipsqueaks tolerate this?

    Also you can usually use a VPN if you want to change your location and download apps from different continents.

    However, if Elon Musk thinks that the best way to distribute Twitter will be to market his own phone and app store, he may end up biting off more than he can chew and will look like a global twit.

    My take on the whole thing is that the hostile takeover of Twitter was an act of bravado on the part of Musk who was miffed at seeing some people he liked banned from Twitter.

    (Yeah, the censorship team at Twitter were insufferably pompous asses in some cases.)

    Musk was then horrified when his offer was accepted, and immediately tried to pull out, but it was too late.

    Musk was already on probation with the SEC for stock manipulation violations, and possibly faced going to prison, so he was forced to buy the company that was not worth anything like the amount of money he was paying, unless he could make it much more profitable than it had been before.

    Being somewhat grandiose, Musk believed that he could turn Twitter around and make it into a money printing machine, but it seems that now he is running into headwinds. When you decide to take on companies like Apple head-on, you may end up in the juicer.

    • Replies: @Veteran Aryan
    @Jonathan Mason


    At least that is the way it is on Android. Does Apple really block third party apps? Why do Apple pipsqueaks tolerate this?
     
    My phone is strictly a business tool that I resent being tethered to. I've never downloaded a single app. In fact, I removed or disabled almost all the existing apps. However, I used to be a mercenary network engineer who had to be familiar with all brands of computers. I watched a lot of different PC manufacturers shoot themselves in the foot with attempts at proprietary technology. Compaq was one of the dumbest ones. They started by replacing phillips head screws with torx screws. It ended when Dell, who made it as easy as possible for owners to do their own upgrades, ate them alive (remember the cow box?). At the time, computers had to have network cards installed, there were no built-in ports. I was buying PC network cards by the box at five dollars a card. Apple's network cards were sixty dollars apiece. The only difference between them was the length of the slot cover. Two minutes with a Dremel and that PC card would fit right into a Mac (Which is what they were always called then, not Apple). Apple would also void the warranty if the consumer opened the computer. It would cost you about $120 to put a card in your Mac, about $30 to put one in your PC. The one, and only, thing that Apple could do better was graphics. But that was going to cost you half again as much as buying an equivalent PC.

    Apple has been the only company that has been able to make proprietary parts tenable. They've done that by making their product a status symbol, pumping mass quantities of money into advertising to convince people they were somehow cooler if they pissed away the extra money.

    To this day, I will not own any Apple products.

    Replies: @Not Raul

  109. @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason wrote to Hibernian:


    But what if people want to say 2 + 2 = 5?
     
    Then free men and women can decide for themselves whether or not 2+2 really equals 5!

    That is the whole idea of freedom, Jonny.

    You don't decide, the state does not decide, the church does not decide, the experts do not decide.

    Each man and woman makes up his or her own mind.

    Can you grasp that?

    No, of course you can't, because you do not grasp the basic idea of freedom: we get to decide for ourselves.

    Jonny also wrote:

    Freedom of expression is surely a dangerous licence when it is severed from any commitment to truth.
     
    That is the whole idea -- freedom is supposed to be dangerous.

    Fatally dangerous to all those determined to exercise tyranny over the mind of man.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason

    And if a majority decides that 2 + 2 = 5 and and enacts it into law? Then you have buildings regularly falling down because they are too high and wobbly?

    It would be like that in a truly Christian fundamentalist biblical state. The law would be that pi equals 3, as stated in the book of Kings.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason asked me:


    And if a majority decides that 2 + 2 = 5 and and enacts it into law? Then you have buildings regularly falling down because they are too high and wobbly?
     
    That is what you are advocating, Jonny: that someone -- the experts, a majority, or whatever -- enact the "official truth" into law.

    I am advocating the opposite: anarchy, AKA "freedom of speech."

    No laws restricting speech.

    At all.

    Open the gates of Hell. Let the demons out.

    Because, you see, I do not think our fellow ordinary people are demons -- I trust the random truck driver, farmer, plumber, etc. more, much more, than I trust the ruling elite.

    And much, much more than I trust you.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @The Germ Theory of Disease

  110. @silviosilver
    @Jonathan Mason


    Can I now post a tweet offering a link to child pornography, or offering anabolic steroids or cocaine for sale?
     
    How is that a matter of free speech? Free speech would be the right to speak in favor of those things. If you spoke in favor of the first on that list, I would think you're utter maggot, but allowing you to speak thus would be in line with the free speech principle. (Isn't all this rather elementary?)

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Okay, but how can Twitter stop people from posting such things if they have no censorship department any more?

    Actually you agree with me that lines must be drawn. The only question is where the lines are drawn and who draws them.

    This actually varies from country to country and Twitter is a global app. For example some countries have laws against blasphemy, which of the US doesn’t have, so you have to have separate censorship departments to protect the Twitterati in those countries.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Jonathan Mason

    What I took exception to was your muddying the waters with examples that do not actually constitute speech, otherwise I agree it's a question of where to draw the lines and who gets to draw them.

    I tend to favor censorship, particularly when statements are made which are obviously intended to inflame, but I also strongly disfavor persecuting people for "wrongthink."

    Technically, one-liner comments constitute speech, but they are also the most likely to inflame. Someone posting "Fuck God!" is much more likely to inflame than someone writing an essay urging disdain for God - even if only for the simple reason that the kind of people most likely to become inflamed are not the sort to bother reading essays.

    If you were to write an essay arguing in favor of child porn, I would think you're a potentially dangerous nut, but if I don't believe you should lose your job or be prosecuted.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  111. @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason wrote to Hibernian:


    But what if people want to say 2 + 2 = 5?
     
    Then free men and women can decide for themselves whether or not 2+2 really equals 5!

    That is the whole idea of freedom, Jonny.

    You don't decide, the state does not decide, the church does not decide, the experts do not decide.

    Each man and woman makes up his or her own mind.

    Can you grasp that?

    No, of course you can't, because you do not grasp the basic idea of freedom: we get to decide for ourselves.

    Jonny also wrote:

    Freedom of expression is surely a dangerous licence when it is severed from any commitment to truth.
     
    That is the whole idea -- freedom is supposed to be dangerous.

    Fatally dangerous to all those determined to exercise tyranny over the mind of man.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @Jonathan Mason

    That is the whole idea — freedom is supposed to be dangerous.

    That’s where you and I fundamentally disagree.

    The world is teetering on the edge of a nuclear war in Ukraine that could escalate into something that could destroy civilization.

    Riots and even wars can be triggered by soccer results.

    The insulting of the Iranian flag online by the US soccer organization could potentially be the beginning of an escalation that would lead to exchanges of insults and ultimately to war.

    People are silly like that. Personally I couldn’t care less if people wipe their butt with the Union Jack or the Stars and Stripes, but some people would go to war over it, or more likely would be manipulated to go to war over it by others.

    Civilization is fragile. A first shot fired by Tweet could start a war.

    If you think freedom is supposed to be dangerous, you can go and help out in Ukraine, or Russia and enjoy your danger, whichever you prefer, but this isn’t the world that I want for my daughters and grandchildren.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jonathan Mason

    Why don't you just travel to Norway with your family and commit some crimes so that you all get thrown in jail? You'll be furnished warm, comfortable housing, meals, medical care, and Norwegian government employees will keep you safe from all the dangerous freedoms.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason wrote to me:


    [Dave[That is the whole idea — freedom is supposed to be dangerous.

    [Jonny]That’s where you and I fundamentally disagree.

    The world is teetering on the edge of a nuclear war in Ukraine that could escalate into something that could destroy civilization.
     
    Because of people like you, people who deem themselves "experts" and who interfered in the affairs of Eastern Europe without really knowing what they were doing.

    Only made possible because they had their grubby little hands on US taxpayers' dollars.

    I'd end all that, Jonny -- put those "experts" where they belong and cut off the tax spigot.

    Completely.

    Cripple the state.

    Jonny also wrote:

    People are silly like that.
     
    No: ruling elites are silly like that. Almost all wars are started by brutally vicious and irresponsible ruling elites who then throw ordinary people into the meatgrinder.

    I want to end all that. Death to the ruling elites.

    All power to the productive men and women who actually deal with the material world.

    And unlimited freedom of speech so that we can create very, very real dangers for the members of the ruling elite.

    And for would-be rulers like you.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jonathan Mason

    "Riots and even wars can be triggered by soccer results."

    No, riots and even wars are triggered by unwanted and unneeded and unwelcome MASS IMMIGRATION --- specifically, mass immigration by peoples from primitive, backwards, yet supremacist societies with a lust for conquest, and a religion which instructs them they are right to think so. These people do not see themselves as "immigrants" who want to be good Belgians or Dutchmen, they see themselves as CONQUERORS --who cannot wait to possess the hot Belgian and Dutch women, whom they view as theirs by right: "the women of your right arm" -- look it up. There are even complex rules about when is the correct time to rape them. They view welfare which they do nothing but collect not as social charity, but as being paid the jizya -- again, theirs by right.

    If you cannot even understand something this simple (blaming it on "soccer") then why should anyone listen to your banal insights on anything else?

    , @anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    The first concept to understand here is "the narcissistic rage of the semi-educated."

    As my fellow Scot Robbie Burns said, if only we could "see ourselves as others see us."

  112. A week ago, Elon Musk permanently banned Garland Nixon from Twitter. Elon isn’t the free speech warrior people are making him out to be.

  113. @Jonathan Mason
    @silviosilver

    Okay, but how can Twitter stop people from posting such things if they have no censorship department any more?

    Actually you agree with me that lines must be drawn. The only question is where the lines are drawn and who draws them.

    This actually varies from country to country and Twitter is a global app. For example some countries have laws against blasphemy, which of the US doesn't have, so you have to have separate censorship departments to protect the Twitterati in those countries.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    What I took exception to was your muddying the waters with examples that do not actually constitute speech, otherwise I agree it’s a question of where to draw the lines and who gets to draw them.

    I tend to favor censorship, particularly when statements are made which are obviously intended to inflame, but I also strongly disfavor persecuting people for “wrongthink.”

    Technically, one-liner comments constitute speech, but they are also the most likely to inflame. Someone posting “Fuck God!” is much more likely to inflame than someone writing an essay urging disdain for God – even if only for the simple reason that the kind of people most likely to become inflamed are not the sort to bother reading essays.

    If you were to write an essay arguing in favor of child porn, I would think you’re a potentially dangerous nut, but if I don’t believe you should lose your job or be prosecuted.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @silviosilver


    What I took exception to was your muddying the waters with examples that do not actually constitute speech, otherwise I agree it’s a question of where to draw the lines and who gets to draw them.
     
    Right, but Musk seems to be saying that he wants to abolish all moderation.

    I think we all agree that some of the censorship decisions made by Twitter have been very silly.

    For example Jordan Peterson, I understand, was banned from Twitter for "misgendering" someone. In other words he said that someone who was a man pretending to be a woman was really a man.

    I guess if I had a Twitter account and posted that Donald Trump was a pussy, I would be banned under the old regime, but not under the new.

    On the other hand, if you are using Twitter to incite terrorism, or to promote recruitment for the Symbionese Liberation Army or something similar, it seems like there is a reasonable case for having your Tweets suppressed.

  114. Anonymous[987] • Disclaimer says:

    Here, as in many other cases, the attitude of Israel is an example to be emulated.

    For such a tiny country, Israel contains an astounding number of newspapers and magazines, representing every conceivable political/social position, including attitudes that would get you in a world of trouble in any western country.

    Clearly the Israeli government regards its people as responsible adults, not as dangerous unruly children to be managed and controlled.

    This is in sharp contrast to the attitude of the US government, which regards ordinary Americans with a mixture of fear and contempt, and not only seeks to restrict their access to information and freedom of speech, but also seeks to restrict their access to weapons, their freedom of movement and association, and their employment and educational opportunities.

  115. @mc23
    @Jonathan Mason

    Musk is just making it interesting. If Musk put out a phone, let's call it a "Star Link" phone he would only need to attract a fraction of Apples base to hurt them. It would also pose an inconvenience to the NSA and other alphabet agencies. A hypothetical heavily encrypted phone that can be used with a VPN over Starlink or other private network just for starters. Could be a libertarian or Minor Attracted Person’s dream and a surveillance state supersized headache.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    He needs to put out a phone that allows all copies of messages and mail to be erased on his network at the phone users whim. Let him make a contract with users that their data is theirs so that users can erase it if they wish. Why is data kept around for the government to grab it at their convenience? Huh AT&T, Verizon? Screw the government desires, how about the desired of the people paying for the service?

    Sebastian Gorka complains bitterly about the cell phone service giving his data to the government.

    • Replies: @mc23
    @Joe Stalin

    Not to mention all the app's monitoring your location. i was at a funeral the other day and before the service began I was getting ads for church vestments.

  116. @Jonathan Mason
    @PhysicistDave


    That is the whole idea — freedom is supposed to be dangerous.
     
    That's where you and I fundamentally disagree.

    The world is teetering on the edge of a nuclear war in Ukraine that could escalate into something that could destroy civilization.

    Riots and even wars can be triggered by soccer results.

    The insulting of the Iranian flag online by the US soccer organization could potentially be the beginning of an escalation that would lead to exchanges of insults and ultimately to war.

    People are silly like that. Personally I couldn't care less if people wipe their butt with the Union Jack or the Stars and Stripes, but some people would go to war over it, or more likely would be manipulated to go to war over it by others.

    Civilization is fragile. A first shot fired by Tweet could start a war.

    If you think freedom is supposed to be dangerous, you can go and help out in Ukraine, or Russia and enjoy your danger, whichever you prefer, but this isn't the world that I want for my daughters and grandchildren.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @PhysicistDave, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anonymous

    Why don’t you just travel to Norway with your family and commit some crimes so that you all get thrown in jail? You’ll be furnished warm, comfortable housing, meals, medical care, and Norwegian government employees will keep you safe from all the dangerous freedoms.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    Why don’t you just travel to Norway with your family and commit some crimes so that you all get thrown in jail?
     
    I didn't even know that Norway has family jails. How bestial!

    Charles Dickens was in jail with his entire family at the age of 12, but his opinions are all over the internet.
  117. @Bill Jones
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Commentary on Iranian games was awash with gibes about the brave protestors and their tyrannical government.

    The game between the two most murderous regimes this century US and England passed by with no mention allowed of their slaughter of millions from countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia etc etc. As I found out, trying to raise the issue get you banned from that bastion of Liberalism, The Guardian.

    And I didn't even mention which country has the world's most imprisoned population.

    Funny dat.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    “And I didn’t even mention which country has the world’s most imprisoned population”

    North Korea has a population of 26 million.

    • LOL: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Ron Mexico

    America has a population of over 100 million White patriots.

  118. @Jonathan Mason
    @PhysicistDave

    And if a majority decides that 2 + 2 = 5 and and enacts it into law? Then you have buildings regularly falling down because they are too high and wobbly?

    It would be like that in a truly Christian fundamentalist biblical state. The law would be that pi equals 3, as stated in the book of Kings.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Jonathan Mason asked me:

    And if a majority decides that 2 + 2 = 5 and and enacts it into law? Then you have buildings regularly falling down because they are too high and wobbly?

    That is what you are advocating, Jonny: that someone — the experts, a majority, or whatever — enact the “official truth” into law.

    I am advocating the opposite: anarchy, AKA “freedom of speech.”

    No laws restricting speech.

    At all.

    Open the gates of Hell. Let the demons out.

    Because, you see, I do not think our fellow ordinary people are demons — I trust the random truck driver, farmer, plumber, etc. more, much more, than I trust the ruling elite.

    And much, much more than I trust you.

    • Agree: Prester John
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @PhysicistDave

    Markets and physical and biological reality exact a swift, sure penalty on bad ideas absent the generous thumb of government and central banks on the scales. 2 + 2 = 5 only flies in social democratic or bolshevik regimes, until they go broke or get lined up in front of a wall.

    https://i.imgur.com/pkeXlY4.jpg

    Thank God we left the British Empire.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @PhysicistDave

    Jonathan Mason says... "And if a majority decides that 2 + 2 = 5 and and enacts it into law?"

    Whatchoo talkin bout, Willis? What do you mean by "if"?

    We already have plenty of 2 + 2 = 5 laws and policies.

    "Diversity is our strength."

    "We are a nation of immigrants."

    "Gender (viz not 'sex') is a social construct, not a biological fact."

    "Race does not exist."

    "Israel is our greatest ally."

    "Structural racism is an actual thing."

    "White supremacy is the greatest threat to our democracy."

    "Anyone can be an American."

    "Crime is caused by poverty and inequality."

    "They just want a better life."

    And so much more! We've been living in 2 + 2 = 5 world for much longer than you realize.

  119. @Jonathan Mason
    @PhysicistDave


    That is the whole idea — freedom is supposed to be dangerous.
     
    That's where you and I fundamentally disagree.

    The world is teetering on the edge of a nuclear war in Ukraine that could escalate into something that could destroy civilization.

    Riots and even wars can be triggered by soccer results.

    The insulting of the Iranian flag online by the US soccer organization could potentially be the beginning of an escalation that would lead to exchanges of insults and ultimately to war.

    People are silly like that. Personally I couldn't care less if people wipe their butt with the Union Jack or the Stars and Stripes, but some people would go to war over it, or more likely would be manipulated to go to war over it by others.

    Civilization is fragile. A first shot fired by Tweet could start a war.

    If you think freedom is supposed to be dangerous, you can go and help out in Ukraine, or Russia and enjoy your danger, whichever you prefer, but this isn't the world that I want for my daughters and grandchildren.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @PhysicistDave, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anonymous

    Jonathan Mason wrote to me:

    [Dave[That is the whole idea — freedom is supposed to be dangerous.

    [Jonny]That’s where you and I fundamentally disagree.

    The world is teetering on the edge of a nuclear war in Ukraine that could escalate into something that could destroy civilization.

    Because of people like you, people who deem themselves “experts” and who interfered in the affairs of Eastern Europe without really knowing what they were doing.

    Only made possible because they had their grubby little hands on US taxpayers’ dollars.

    I’d end all that, Jonny — put those “experts” where they belong and cut off the tax spigot.

    Completely.

    Cripple the state.

    Jonny also wrote:

    People are silly like that.

    No: ruling elites are silly like that. Almost all wars are started by brutally vicious and irresponsible ruling elites who then throw ordinary people into the meatgrinder.

    I want to end all that. Death to the ruling elites.

    All power to the productive men and women who actually deal with the material world.

    And unlimited freedom of speech so that we can create very, very real dangers for the members of the ruling elite.

    And for would-be rulers like you.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @PhysicistDave


    Because of people like you, people who deem themselves “experts” and who interfered in the affairs of Eastern Europe without really knowing what they were doing.
     
    When did Mason “interfere in the affairs of Eastern Europe”?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  120. @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason wrote to me:


    [Dave[That is the whole idea — freedom is supposed to be dangerous.

    [Jonny]That’s where you and I fundamentally disagree.

    The world is teetering on the edge of a nuclear war in Ukraine that could escalate into something that could destroy civilization.
     
    Because of people like you, people who deem themselves "experts" and who interfered in the affairs of Eastern Europe without really knowing what they were doing.

    Only made possible because they had their grubby little hands on US taxpayers' dollars.

    I'd end all that, Jonny -- put those "experts" where they belong and cut off the tax spigot.

    Completely.

    Cripple the state.

    Jonny also wrote:

    People are silly like that.
     
    No: ruling elites are silly like that. Almost all wars are started by brutally vicious and irresponsible ruling elites who then throw ordinary people into the meatgrinder.

    I want to end all that. Death to the ruling elites.

    All power to the productive men and women who actually deal with the material world.

    And unlimited freedom of speech so that we can create very, very real dangers for the members of the ruling elite.

    And for would-be rulers like you.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Because of people like you, people who deem themselves “experts” and who interfered in the affairs of Eastern Europe without really knowing what they were doing.

    When did Mason “interfere in the affairs of Eastern Europe”?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Not Raul

    Not Raul asked me:


    ]Dave]Because of people like you, people who deem themselves “experts” and who interfered in the affairs of Eastern Europe without really knowing what they were doing.

    {NR] When did Mason “interfere in the affairs of Eastern Europe”?
     
    Is English not your native language?

    I said "people like you." Mason is an arrogant, foolish, obnoxious, lying jerk who has contempt for liberty and who made a living not by engaging in productive activities but by manipulating other human beings.

    All traits he shares with thugs like Victoria Nuland who created this tragedy in Eastern Europe.

    People like Mason did this.

    Does that answer your question?
  121. @Renard
    @P.T.


    "online trust and safety experts."
     
    I'd definitely feel safer if Taylor's "online trust and safety experts" were back in charge. I'm sure she has a bunch on her virtual rolodex.

    If only the Dems could control the entire government! Then we could make some real progress. Well, we're almost there..

    NB: autocorrect doesn't know "rolodex"

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    “online trust and safety experts.”

    What on earth is an “online trust and safety expert”? It sounds like a b.s. category made up by a b.s. artist.

    When I was a kid, there was a phrase popular among grown men: “Don’t bull–it a bull–itter.”

    Where have all the grown-ups gone?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Nicholas Stix


    When I was a kid, there was a phrase popular among grown men: “Don’t 🐂🪠 a 🐂🪠er.”
     
    Does that explain the crypto hat-trick this month?

    Third crypto boss dies after Russian billionaire's helicopter crashes

    SBF is the lucky one. Or the connected one.

  122. Am glad to see overeducated egomaniacs like this twit get the megaphone stuffed back into their faces–even if it is only temporary.

  123. @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason asked me:


    And if a majority decides that 2 + 2 = 5 and and enacts it into law? Then you have buildings regularly falling down because they are too high and wobbly?
     
    That is what you are advocating, Jonny: that someone -- the experts, a majority, or whatever -- enact the "official truth" into law.

    I am advocating the opposite: anarchy, AKA "freedom of speech."

    No laws restricting speech.

    At all.

    Open the gates of Hell. Let the demons out.

    Because, you see, I do not think our fellow ordinary people are demons -- I trust the random truck driver, farmer, plumber, etc. more, much more, than I trust the ruling elite.

    And much, much more than I trust you.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Markets and physical and biological reality exact a swift, sure penalty on bad ideas absent the generous thumb of government and central banks on the scales. 2 + 2 = 5 only flies in social democratic or bolshevik regimes, until they go broke or get lined up in front of a wall.

    Thank God we left the British Empire.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Thanks: PhysicistDave
  124. @Jonathan Mason
    @PhysicistDave


    That is the whole idea — freedom is supposed to be dangerous.
     
    That's where you and I fundamentally disagree.

    The world is teetering on the edge of a nuclear war in Ukraine that could escalate into something that could destroy civilization.

    Riots and even wars can be triggered by soccer results.

    The insulting of the Iranian flag online by the US soccer organization could potentially be the beginning of an escalation that would lead to exchanges of insults and ultimately to war.

    People are silly like that. Personally I couldn't care less if people wipe their butt with the Union Jack or the Stars and Stripes, but some people would go to war over it, or more likely would be manipulated to go to war over it by others.

    Civilization is fragile. A first shot fired by Tweet could start a war.

    If you think freedom is supposed to be dangerous, you can go and help out in Ukraine, or Russia and enjoy your danger, whichever you prefer, but this isn't the world that I want for my daughters and grandchildren.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @PhysicistDave, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anonymous

    “Riots and even wars can be triggered by soccer results.”

    No, riots and even wars are triggered by unwanted and unneeded and unwelcome MASS IMMIGRATION — specifically, mass immigration by peoples from primitive, backwards, yet supremacist societies with a lust for conquest, and a religion which instructs them they are right to think so. These people do not see themselves as “immigrants” who want to be good Belgians or Dutchmen, they see themselves as CONQUERORS –who cannot wait to possess the hot Belgian and Dutch women, whom they view as theirs by right: “the women of your right arm” — look it up. There are even complex rules about when is the correct time to rape them. They view welfare which they do nothing but collect not as social charity, but as being paid the jizya — again, theirs by right.

    If you cannot even understand something this simple (blaming it on “soccer”) then why should anyone listen to your banal insights on anything else?

  125. @Barnard
    @Dream

    How many different ethnic groups of significant size are living in Belgium? How can even the dumbest globalist think Belgium is going to turn into anything other than a big turf war among various groups of resettled third worlders?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “How can even the dumbest globalist think Belgium is going to turn into anything other than a big turf war among various groups of resettled third worlders?”

    You don’t understand: that’s the whole (((plan))).

  126. @Jonathan Mason
    @JR Ewing

    You don't have to jailbreak phones to sideload third party apps. You just have to go into the settings and allow apps from unknown sources.

    At least that is the way it is on Android. Does Apple really block third party apps? Why do Apple pipsqueaks tolerate this?

    Also you can usually use a VPN if you want to change your location and download apps from different continents.

    However, if Elon Musk thinks that the best way to distribute Twitter will be to market his own phone and app store, he may end up biting off more than he can chew and will look like a global twit.

    My take on the whole thing is that the hostile takeover of Twitter was an act of bravado on the part of Musk who was miffed at seeing some people he liked banned from Twitter.

    (Yeah, the censorship team at Twitter were insufferably pompous asses in some cases.)

    Musk was then horrified when his offer was accepted, and immediately tried to pull out, but it was too late.

    Musk was already on probation with the SEC for stock manipulation violations, and possibly faced going to prison, so he was forced to buy the company that was not worth anything like the amount of money he was paying, unless he could make it much more profitable than it had been before.

    Being somewhat grandiose, Musk believed that he could turn Twitter around and make it into a money printing machine, but it seems that now he is running into headwinds. When you decide to take on companies like Apple head-on, you may end up in the juicer.

    Replies: @Veteran Aryan

    At least that is the way it is on Android. Does Apple really block third party apps? Why do Apple pipsqueaks tolerate this?

    My phone is strictly a business tool that I resent being tethered to. I’ve never downloaded a single app. In fact, I removed or disabled almost all the existing apps. However, I used to be a mercenary network engineer who had to be familiar with all brands of computers. I watched a lot of different PC manufacturers shoot themselves in the foot with attempts at proprietary technology. Compaq was one of the dumbest ones. They started by replacing phillips head screws with torx screws. It ended when Dell, who made it as easy as possible for owners to do their own upgrades, ate them alive (remember the cow box?). At the time, computers had to have network cards installed, there were no built-in ports. I was buying PC network cards by the box at five dollars a card. Apple’s network cards were sixty dollars apiece. The only difference between them was the length of the slot cover. Two minutes with a Dremel and that PC card would fit right into a Mac (Which is what they were always called then, not Apple). Apple would also void the warranty if the consumer opened the computer. It would cost you about $120 to put a card in your Mac, about $30 to put one in your PC. The one, and only, thing that Apple could do better was graphics. But that was going to cost you half again as much as buying an equivalent PC.

    Apple has been the only company that has been able to make proprietary parts tenable. They’ve done that by making their product a status symbol, pumping mass quantities of money into advertising to convince people they were somehow cooler if they pissed away the extra money.

    To this day, I will not own any Apple products.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Thanks: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Veteran Aryan


    I watched a lot of different PC manufacturers shoot themselves in the foot with attempts at proprietary technology. Compaq was one of the dumbest ones. They started by replacing phillips head screws with torx screws. It ended when Dell, who made it as easy as possible for owners to do their own upgrades, ate them alive (remember the cow box?).
     
    A slight quibble: Wasn’t the “cow box” Gateway?
  127. @Jonathan Mason
    @Hibernian

    You might also want to think about what Orwell said here in the unpublished preface to Animal Farm that was found in his papers after his death. (You will remember that it was quite difficult for him to get Animal Farm published originally, because it was considered to be an attack on Russia which was an ally against Nazi Germany.)


    The same principle is contained in the famous words of Voltaire: ‘I detest what you say; I will defend to the death your right to say it.’ If the intellectual liberty which without a doubt has been one of the distinguishing marks of western civilisation means anything at all, it means that everyone shall have the right to say and to print what he believes to be the truth, provided only that it does not harm the rest of the community in some quite unmistakable way.

    The interesting part is the proviso contained in the last two lines. Elon Musk would be well advised to study Orwell in much greater detail.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    …provided only that it does not harm the rest of the community in some quite unmistakable way.

    And who gets to decide when that is true? I say that allowing some people to say 2+2=5 on their own dime doesn’t “harm the rest of the community in some quite unmistakable way” because the vast majority of us are smart enough not to believe it. Now when “2+2=5” is enacted into law by the power of the state, then, Houston, we have a problem.

  128. @Nicholas Stix
    @Renard


    “online trust and safety experts.”
     
    What on earth is an “online trust and safety expert”? It sounds like a b.s. category made up by a b.s. artist.

    When I was a kid, there was a phrase popular among grown men: "Don't bull--it a bull--itter."

    Where have all the grown-ups gone?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    When I was a kid, there was a phrase popular among grown men: “Don’t 🐂🪠 a 🐂🪠er.”

    Does that explain the crypto hat-trick this month?

    Third crypto boss dies after Russian billionaire’s helicopter crashes

    SBF is the lucky one. Or the connected one.

  129. @Jonathan Mason
    @PhysicistDave


    That is the whole idea — freedom is supposed to be dangerous.
     
    That's where you and I fundamentally disagree.

    The world is teetering on the edge of a nuclear war in Ukraine that could escalate into something that could destroy civilization.

    Riots and even wars can be triggered by soccer results.

    The insulting of the Iranian flag online by the US soccer organization could potentially be the beginning of an escalation that would lead to exchanges of insults and ultimately to war.

    People are silly like that. Personally I couldn't care less if people wipe their butt with the Union Jack or the Stars and Stripes, but some people would go to war over it, or more likely would be manipulated to go to war over it by others.

    Civilization is fragile. A first shot fired by Tweet could start a war.

    If you think freedom is supposed to be dangerous, you can go and help out in Ukraine, or Russia and enjoy your danger, whichever you prefer, but this isn't the world that I want for my daughters and grandchildren.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @PhysicistDave, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @anonymous

    The first concept to understand here is “the narcissistic rage of the semi-educated.”

    As my fellow Scot Robbie Burns said, if only we could “see ourselves as others see us.”

  130. @R.G. Camara
    @JR Ewing

    As Mike Cernovich pointed out not too long ago, most corporate reporters these days are young trust-fund or upper class kids who are living off of mommy and daddy as they strive to "hit it big" in infotainment, or else are larping for a bit as reporters in order to push a woke agenda and then take off to run mommy and daddy's business.

    Gone are the days of the blue-collar lifer reporters, guys who made a living off the job and who had families to support and who's brothers/fathers worked construction and as cops and whose mothers were teachers/nurses.

    Likely this is because 95% of corporate media pays below-poverty wages, but with the vague hope that you hit the top 5% and end up with a gig on CNN.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The mean annual wage for journalists is currently about $63,000. Not a poverty wage. People with comparable compensation are career counselors, probation officers, voTech teachers, social workers, and museum curators.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Art Deco

    Source?

    Plus "mean annual wage" is highly misleading. Its skewed by the top-heavy superstar payments.

    For example "mean annual wage" for all professional baseball players in the U.S. is probably decent, but there's a great variance---those in the minors make little, while the MLB guys make huge bucks.

    In other words, the big-bucks making CNN and MSNBC talking heads are raking in 7 figures, and the local news anchors are clearing high 6 figures, but the average reporter at a newspaper is below poverty level, as is the guy double checking the facts in the backroom.

    Another way to put it: if you have 10 guys at a job, and 1 makes $1 million and the other 9 guys take home $10 bucks, then the "mean annual wage" is....$100,009.

    Many left-wing professions are skewed in this feudalistic way---95% making crap, 5% hit the lottery and have fame. Hollywood actors, academia professors and teachers, corporate media....

    Marxism appeals to these losers because they hear "exploitation" and see it all around them because they have tunnel vision and can't see they picked exploitative careers and most careers aren't like that.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  131. @Mr. Anon

    Elon Musk plans to reinstate nearly all previously banned Twitter accounts — to the alarm of activists and online trust and safety experts.
     
    "trust and safety experts". Note the casual way that members of the megaphone use these Orwellian constructions. They are experts in trust and safety, no doubt sent by the Ministry of Love.

    Also, in every story in which Taylor Lorenz's name is mentioned, this salient fact must be noted: that Taylor Lorenz is human garbage.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Taylor Lorenz is human garbage.

    She’s pretty much wasted her life (no husband, no children at age 38) and seems to approach every human interaction with acts of effrontery.

  132. @Dream
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596941993267322880?t=3hd-MSNPKAeFmac0aiVnrA&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596891727217901569?t=H3Smh8a3Gmv16gN5tB3n9g&s=19

    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1596944387279572993?t=l4hKDD6GHKV9107uk8LM4Q&s=19

    Replies: @stari_momak, @Technite78, @Bardon Kaldian, @The Wild Geese Howard, @International Jew, @Alfa158, @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Currahee, @Ian Smith, @Art Deco

    You have riots because the police allow them. They commonly do that at the behest of politicians.

    The whole scene is indicative of stupefying arrogance within the Moroccan immigrant population. Deportation should be a penalty for every last one of them you apprehend.

  133. @Anonymous
    @Corvinus


    Wait, I thought Musk is a champion for unfettered free speech on Twitter.
     
    The hell with Musk, that white supremacist hater.

    We are with Taylor Lorenz! Free Speech is evil!

    I say do her a favor and listen to her advice. She says free speech is dangerous! She's right.

    All who say Free Speech will lead to death and mayhem, we agree.

    Free speech for Neocons led to Wars for Israel and killed so many Arabs. WMD anyone?

    Free speech for Nuland and others of her Anti-Russia ilk led to the Ukraine War that had led to so many deaths.

    Free speech for homos led to more sexual debauchery and spread of fatal diseases.

    Free speech for trannies led to record number of genital mutilations.

    Free speech for BLM led to more dead blacks and victims of blacks.

    Free speech for CIA led to more subversion here and abroad and more deaths.

    Free speech for Big Pharma led to lies about Covid and the bogus jab. So many died.

    Free speech kills! So, take away the hate speech, crazy speech, and bogus speech of Neocons, homos, trannies, BLM, CIA, and Big Pharma.

    We must do away with their free speech that kills. We must save the babies. Save the Syrian babies from Neocon free speech mass murderers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELNL_vRX4eQ

    Replies: @Corvinus

    What you are saying contradicts Musk. He touts unfettered free speech. So, in essence, you favor limiting free speech to only speech you approve of. That’s fascism.

    “Free speech for Neocons led to Wars for Israel and killed so many Arabs. WMD anyone?”

    Since when are you concerned about Muzzies?

    “Free speech for Nuland and others of her Anti-Russia ilk led to the Ukraine War that had led to so many deaths.”

    No, it’s Putin’s War.

    “Free speech kills! So, take away the hate speech, crazy speech, and bogus speech of Neocons, homos, trannies, BLM, CIA, and Big Pharma.”

    You’re really off the rails here.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Corvinus

    My little buddy Benito Corvinus wrote to Anonymous:


    What you are saying contradicts Musk. He touts unfettered free speech. So, in essence, you favor limiting free speech to only speech you approve of. That’s fascism.
     
    Anonymous was making fun of the neo-fascists like you, Benito, pointing out what would happen if we took your position to its logical conclusion.

    But don't worry: no one here is trying to infringe upon your freedom of speech.

    In fact, we need you around so that we have a convenient living example of a neo-Nazi.

    Just like Jonny Mason.
  134. @Art Deco
    @R.G. Camara

    The mean annual wage for journalists is currently about $63,000. Not a poverty wage. People with comparable compensation are career counselors, probation officers, voTech teachers, social workers, and museum curators.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara

    Source?

    Plus “mean annual wage” is highly misleading. Its skewed by the top-heavy superstar payments.

    For example “mean annual wage” for all professional baseball players in the U.S. is probably decent, but there’s a great variance—those in the minors make little, while the MLB guys make huge bucks.

    In other words, the big-bucks making CNN and MSNBC talking heads are raking in 7 figures, and the local news anchors are clearing high 6 figures, but the average reporter at a newspaper is below poverty level, as is the guy double checking the facts in the backroom.

    Another way to put it: if you have 10 guys at a job, and 1 makes $1 million and the other 9 guys take home $10 bucks, then the “mean annual wage” is….$100,009.

    Many left-wing professions are skewed in this feudalistic way—95% making crap, 5% hit the lottery and have fame. Hollywood actors, academia professors and teachers, corporate media….

    Marxism appeals to these losers because they hear “exploitation” and see it all around them because they have tunnel vision and can’t see they picked exploitative careers and most careers aren’t like that.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @R.G. Camara

    Source?

    The Bureau of Labor Statistics. There's more variation among journalists than in other occupations. The median is $48,000 a year. This is cash. Benefits are extra.

  135. @Corvinus
    @Anonymous

    What you are saying contradicts Musk. He touts unfettered free speech. So, in essence, you favor limiting free speech to only speech you approve of. That's fascism.

    "Free speech for Neocons led to Wars for Israel and killed so many Arabs. WMD anyone?"

    Since when are you concerned about Muzzies?

    "Free speech for Nuland and others of her Anti-Russia ilk led to the Ukraine War that had led to so many deaths."

    No, it's Putin's War.

    "Free speech kills! So, take away the hate speech, crazy speech, and bogus speech of Neocons, homos, trannies, BLM, CIA, and Big Pharma."

    You're really off the rails here.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    My little buddy Benito Corvinus wrote to Anonymous:

    What you are saying contradicts Musk. He touts unfettered free speech. So, in essence, you favor limiting free speech to only speech you approve of. That’s fascism.

    Anonymous was making fun of the neo-fascists like you, Benito, pointing out what would happen if we took your position to its logical conclusion.

    But don’t worry: no one here is trying to infringe upon your freedom of speech.

    In fact, we need you around so that we have a convenient living example of a neo-Nazi.

    Just like Jonny Mason.

  136. @PhysicistDave
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan Mason asked me:


    And if a majority decides that 2 + 2 = 5 and and enacts it into law? Then you have buildings regularly falling down because they are too high and wobbly?
     
    That is what you are advocating, Jonny: that someone -- the experts, a majority, or whatever -- enact the "official truth" into law.

    I am advocating the opposite: anarchy, AKA "freedom of speech."

    No laws restricting speech.

    At all.

    Open the gates of Hell. Let the demons out.

    Because, you see, I do not think our fellow ordinary people are demons -- I trust the random truck driver, farmer, plumber, etc. more, much more, than I trust the ruling elite.

    And much, much more than I trust you.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Jonathan Mason says… “And if a majority decides that 2 + 2 = 5 and and enacts it into law?”

    Whatchoo talkin bout, Willis? What do you mean by “if”?

    We already have plenty of 2 + 2 = 5 laws and policies.

    “Diversity is our strength.”

    “We are a nation of immigrants.”

    “Gender (viz not ‘sex’) is a social construct, not a biological fact.”

    “Race does not exist.”

    “Israel is our greatest ally.”

    “Structural racism is an actual thing.”

    “White supremacy is the greatest threat to our democracy.”

    “Anyone can be an American.”

    “Crime is caused by poverty and inequality.”

    “They just want a better life.”

    And so much more! We’ve been living in 2 + 2 = 5 world for much longer than you realize.

    • Agree: BosTex
    • Thanks: PhysicistDave
  137. @Not Raul
    @PhysicistDave


    Because of people like you, people who deem themselves “experts” and who interfered in the affairs of Eastern Europe without really knowing what they were doing.
     
    When did Mason “interfere in the affairs of Eastern Europe”?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Not Raul asked me:

    ]Dave]Because of people like you, people who deem themselves “experts” and who interfered in the affairs of Eastern Europe without really knowing what they were doing.

    {NR] When did Mason “interfere in the affairs of Eastern Europe”?

    Is English not your native language?

    I said “people like you.” Mason is an arrogant, foolish, obnoxious, lying jerk who has contempt for liberty and who made a living not by engaging in productive activities but by manipulating other human beings.

    All traits he shares with thugs like Victoria Nuland who created this tragedy in Eastern Europe.

    People like Mason did this.

    Does that answer your question?

  138. @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Henry's Cat

    What makes you think they don't?

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    Like the Americans have guns, I mean.

  139. @Joe Stalin
    @mc23

    He needs to put out a phone that allows all copies of messages and mail to be erased on his network at the phone users whim. Let him make a contract with users that their data is theirs so that users can erase it if they wish. Why is data kept around for the government to grab it at their convenience? Huh AT&T, Verizon? Screw the government desires, how about the desired of the people paying for the service?

    Sebastian Gorka complains bitterly about the cell phone service giving his data to the government.

    Replies: @mc23

    Not to mention all the app’s monitoring your location. i was at a funeral the other day and before the service began I was getting ads for church vestments.

  140. @silviosilver
    @Jonathan Mason

    What I took exception to was your muddying the waters with examples that do not actually constitute speech, otherwise I agree it's a question of where to draw the lines and who gets to draw them.

    I tend to favor censorship, particularly when statements are made which are obviously intended to inflame, but I also strongly disfavor persecuting people for "wrongthink."

    Technically, one-liner comments constitute speech, but they are also the most likely to inflame. Someone posting "Fuck God!" is much more likely to inflame than someone writing an essay urging disdain for God - even if only for the simple reason that the kind of people most likely to become inflamed are not the sort to bother reading essays.

    If you were to write an essay arguing in favor of child porn, I would think you're a potentially dangerous nut, but if I don't believe you should lose your job or be prosecuted.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    What I took exception to was your muddying the waters with examples that do not actually constitute speech, otherwise I agree it’s a question of where to draw the lines and who gets to draw them.

    Right, but Musk seems to be saying that he wants to abolish all moderation.

    I think we all agree that some of the censorship decisions made by Twitter have been very silly.

    For example Jordan Peterson, I understand, was banned from Twitter for “misgendering” someone. In other words he said that someone who was a man pretending to be a woman was really a man.

    I guess if I had a Twitter account and posted that Donald Trump was a pussy, I would be banned under the old regime, but not under the new.

    On the other hand, if you are using Twitter to incite terrorism, or to promote recruitment for the Symbionese Liberation Army or something similar, it seems like there is a reasonable case for having your Tweets suppressed.

  141. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Jonathan Mason

    Why don't you just travel to Norway with your family and commit some crimes so that you all get thrown in jail? You'll be furnished warm, comfortable housing, meals, medical care, and Norwegian government employees will keep you safe from all the dangerous freedoms.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Why don’t you just travel to Norway with your family and commit some crimes so that you all get thrown in jail?

    I didn’t even know that Norway has family jails. How bestial!

    Charles Dickens was in jail with his entire family at the age of 12, but his opinions are all over the internet.

  142. @R.G. Camara
    @Art Deco

    Source?

    Plus "mean annual wage" is highly misleading. Its skewed by the top-heavy superstar payments.

    For example "mean annual wage" for all professional baseball players in the U.S. is probably decent, but there's a great variance---those in the minors make little, while the MLB guys make huge bucks.

    In other words, the big-bucks making CNN and MSNBC talking heads are raking in 7 figures, and the local news anchors are clearing high 6 figures, but the average reporter at a newspaper is below poverty level, as is the guy double checking the facts in the backroom.

    Another way to put it: if you have 10 guys at a job, and 1 makes $1 million and the other 9 guys take home $10 bucks, then the "mean annual wage" is....$100,009.

    Many left-wing professions are skewed in this feudalistic way---95% making crap, 5% hit the lottery and have fame. Hollywood actors, academia professors and teachers, corporate media....

    Marxism appeals to these losers because they hear "exploitation" and see it all around them because they have tunnel vision and can't see they picked exploitative careers and most careers aren't like that.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Source?

    The Bureau of Labor Statistics. There’s more variation among journalists than in other occupations. The median is $48,000 a year. This is cash. Benefits are extra.

  143. @Veteran Aryan
    @Jonathan Mason


    At least that is the way it is on Android. Does Apple really block third party apps? Why do Apple pipsqueaks tolerate this?
     
    My phone is strictly a business tool that I resent being tethered to. I've never downloaded a single app. In fact, I removed or disabled almost all the existing apps. However, I used to be a mercenary network engineer who had to be familiar with all brands of computers. I watched a lot of different PC manufacturers shoot themselves in the foot with attempts at proprietary technology. Compaq was one of the dumbest ones. They started by replacing phillips head screws with torx screws. It ended when Dell, who made it as easy as possible for owners to do their own upgrades, ate them alive (remember the cow box?). At the time, computers had to have network cards installed, there were no built-in ports. I was buying PC network cards by the box at five dollars a card. Apple's network cards were sixty dollars apiece. The only difference between them was the length of the slot cover. Two minutes with a Dremel and that PC card would fit right into a Mac (Which is what they were always called then, not Apple). Apple would also void the warranty if the consumer opened the computer. It would cost you about $120 to put a card in your Mac, about $30 to put one in your PC. The one, and only, thing that Apple could do better was graphics. But that was going to cost you half again as much as buying an equivalent PC.

    Apple has been the only company that has been able to make proprietary parts tenable. They've done that by making their product a status symbol, pumping mass quantities of money into advertising to convince people they were somehow cooler if they pissed away the extra money.

    To this day, I will not own any Apple products.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    I watched a lot of different PC manufacturers shoot themselves in the foot with attempts at proprietary technology. Compaq was one of the dumbest ones. They started by replacing phillips head screws with torx screws. It ended when Dell, who made it as easy as possible for owners to do their own upgrades, ate them alive (remember the cow box?).

    A slight quibble: Wasn’t the “cow box” Gateway?

  144. @Corvinus
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    From someone who Mr. Sailer knows all too well—The right to FREE SPEECH is the right to be free from most—not all—government restrictions on your speech and enjoy the protection of relevant laws when speaking. All other speech falls under the FREE MARKET. As Twitter begins to fail, Musk will take FREE MARKET actions that reveals he always understood it had nothing to do with freedom of speech.—

    Suffice to say, Mr.Sailer doesn’t want to open up that can of worms during his December push for tin cup narratives.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    The “free market” is a magic utopian fairyland that has never existed and never will due to three inherent characteristics of unregulated or underregulated capitalism: rent-seeking (bribery, political “donations”), incentives for monopoly/oligopoly, and externalities (e.g. pollution, offloaded social costs such as hiring of illegal immigrants).

    If we are going to choose between lightly regulating capitalism or fundamental individual liberties– and it seems increasingly clear that this is the choice– we should choose the latter.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Lockean Proviso

    “The “free market” is a magic utopian fairyland that has never existed”

    You don’t do any favors to your position when you start with an absolutism.

    “and never will due to three inherent characteristics of unregulated or underregulated capitalism”

    You mean they are byproducts.

    “If we are going to choose between lightly regulating capitalism”

    That is why we have problems in the first place.

    “or fundamental individual liberties– and it seems increasingly clear that this is the choice– we should choose the latter.”

    Which includes the regulation of capitalism.

  145. @Lockean Proviso
    @Corvinus

    The "free market" is a magic utopian fairyland that has never existed and never will due to three inherent characteristics of unregulated or underregulated capitalism: rent-seeking (bribery, political "donations"), incentives for monopoly/oligopoly, and externalities (e.g. pollution, offloaded social costs such as hiring of illegal immigrants).

    If we are going to choose between lightly regulating capitalism or fundamental individual liberties– and it seems increasingly clear that this is the choice– we should choose the latter.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The “free market” is a magic utopian fairyland that has never existed”

    You don’t do any favors to your position when you start with an absolutism.

    “and never will due to three inherent characteristics of unregulated or underregulated capitalism”

    You mean they are byproducts.

    “If we are going to choose between lightly regulating capitalism”

    That is why we have problems in the first place.

    “or fundamental individual liberties– and it seems increasingly clear that this is the choice– we should choose the latter.”

    Which includes the regulation of capitalism.

  146. You’re right. Not sure how I transposed those two. What a long strange trip it’s been.

  147. @Ron Mexico
    @Bill Jones

    "And I didn’t even mention which country has the world’s most imprisoned population"

    North Korea has a population of 26 million.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    America has a population of over 100 million White patriots.

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