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Los Angeles Times crime reporter Jill Leovy pointed out in her book Ghettoside that while many Southern California homicides can be attributed to the illegal drug trade, a large fraction stem from pettier causes:
But insults, snitching, drunken antics, and the classic “unwanted party guests” also were common homicide motives.
From the Daily Mail:
Joe Melgoza, 30, was beaten to death in Chino, California, early Sunday, just hours after marrying his fiancee
Rony Castaneda Ramirez, 28, and his 19-year-old brother, Josue Castaneda Ramirez, have been charged with murder
Police say the brothers did not know the groom but lived near the wedding reception venue and arrived without an invitation
Melgoza’s brother says the groom confronted the wedding crashers after they got into a fight with some guests
Castaneda Ramirez brothers allegedly left, then returned with baseball bats and [attacked] Melgoza on a neighboring property
Melgoza leaves behind his newlywed wife and his 11-year-old daughter, of whom he had full custody
By SNEJANA FARBEROV FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 09:52 EST, 17 December 2019 | UPDATED: 17:01 EST, 17 December 2019
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Well yes, because the so-called Prestige Media in the USA won’t touch a story like this with a ten-foot pole, except as ‘local news’ to be forgotten tomorrow. For reasons which we all know too well, or else.
It’s as if there are important culturally-tied reasons that Mexico is a failed state, and inviting a failed culture en masse into America leads to unending heartache.
There seem to be these lethal zones of Testosterone level, low IQ & low conscientiousness.
These guys seem like they'd be ideal recruits as drug cartel henchmen. At least most of their rage would be directed against rival drug cartel thugs
How will Ron Unz bury this to sustain his narrative about low Hispanic crime?
https://youtu.be/ouXJkY-A2h4
But did they litter
And what was the immigration status of the killers?
A friend of mine recently observed that crimes–murders–are committed nowadays for no reason whatsoever. Just taking out uncontrolled aggression on another.
Looks like the “uninvited party guests” were “dissed” (in the vernacular), and returned to the party to express their form of due respect.
I always chuckle when I watch these Agatha Christie murder mysteries, and "motive" is as integral part of solving the crime as the presence of DNA is nowadays. "Why, it couldn't be Colonel Mustard who did the deed, he had no motive!"
2019: "He like, took my parking space, so yeah, I like killed him."Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Colin Wright, @adreadline
Yeah, it is getting weird. My daughter's boyfriend is white, and comes from a predominantly white if not especially affluent suburb outside San Francisco.
Some neighbor of his murdered some other neighbor a few months ago. As I understand it, it was a bunch of middle-aged white guys doing the Hank Hill communal have-a-beer thing. Two of them got into a political argument and one left.
He came back with a gun and shot and killed his interlocutor.
Whatever happened to punching people in the nose?
Ramirez? Oh, I thought you said Rodriguez brothers!
I mean they could play up the latins in baseball angle ?
documented in Mexico, criminal aliens in The United States
Yep.
I always chuckle when I watch these Agatha Christie murder mysteries, and “motive” is as integral part of solving the crime as the presence of DNA is nowadays. “Why, it couldn’t be Colonel Mustard who did the deed, he had no motive!”
2019: “He like, took my parking space, so yeah, I like killed him.”
Or your girlfriend had to go to the bathroom. Remember that one?
I always chuckle when I watch these Agatha Christie murder mysteries, and "motive" is as integral part of solving the crime as the presence of DNA is nowadays. "Why, it couldn't be Colonel Mustard who did the deed, he had no motive!"
2019: "He like, took my parking space, so yeah, I like killed him."Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Colin Wright, @adreadline
Contra Agatha Christie, Raymond Chandler said the hardest murders to solve were when somebody only decided moments before to commit the crime.
Agatha's not a mystery writer, she is a sculptor of English language, like Shakespeare, Coleridge, Austen, Joyce on a good day, Blake on a bad one, Yeats regardless... and Flann O'Brien even if the horse-races didn't go so well. Read one of her sentences: they're perfect in the way that only Shirley Jackson or Frank O'Hara could pull off. I have absolutely no idea in the world who the murderer is, and I couldn't care less. Like Shirley and Frank, and Mary-Frances K, I just want to know what Agatha had to say about it.Replies: @Lars Porsena
By recognizing that an incident is not a rate.
Now if we only had a federal government agency - or perhaps we would call it a bureau - charged with the investigation of crimes nationwide that could collect and tabulate stats on crimes, including the name, age, race, and immigration status of perps and victims, and then report these stats to their boss, the taxpayer, so that we could use such stats to perform our vital function of deciding collectively how we are to be governed. But what would we call such an agency (or bureau)? A potential name for it seems to elude me.
No immigrants = no immigrant murderers, for the win.
What the Ron Unz type analysis misses is that complaining about immigrant crime is a proxy for complaining about immigrants in general. Everyone carries some sense that we live in a finite world; that there are only so many slots; why give such slots to people from another country? To apocryphally paraphrase Napoleon: "the women of this country can raise up all the people we need to dysfunctionaly overpopulate the place." But it is déclassé and gauche to complain about immigrants as too many bodies, so one complains about the crime, considering that as the strongest proxy argument against immigrants.
So showing that an immigrant cohort has the same, or lower, crime rate than the natives changes nothing. A completely crime free cohort generates no categorical imperative to import them at demographic replacing levels.
Hispanics with baseball bats instead of blacks with guns. Looks like every private party in diverse areas are going to need armed security.
By modeling the ever loving hell out of it.
Contra Chandler, we don’t know much about the circumstances and perpetrators of the hardest murders to solve, because they weren’t solved.
https://youtu.be/QYvVMmV7khM?t=405Replies: @Jonathan Mason
Given the way the FBI keeps crime statistics this could be “Hispanic groom killed at his wedding reception by white men.”
Mexico is a failed state from the point of view of outsiders. From the point of view of those Mexicans who matter-the elite, largely white ruling class, and the people like the Bush Family over here in bed with them- it’s an entirely successful one.
Technically, yes. But it was Recyclable.
Maybe the NYT will decide that the Ramirez brothers are Zimmerman-style “White Hispanics.”
If so, the articles practically write themselves: “How white privilege colonizes the wedding receptions of marginalized people of color;” “How Chino hate crime is directly linked to Trump hate-speech;” “How wedding-crashing became the new lynching;” “How Russian meddling in Hispanic wedding receptions threatens our democracy;” etc. You can practically smell the Pulitzer.
Alas, the perps’ last name ends in a “z,” so it’s all just a dream of what could have been.
So you actually believe his narrative?
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Skeptical of Rose-colored Unz, but gonna need more than one anecdote. TPTB aren't replacing Blacks with Hispanics for nothing.Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @jon
Keep in mind they might not be “fully” Hispanic/Latin American. Remember, the US follows the “one drop rule” for blacks while in Latin America you can be 50% black and not identify as such. Many might very well possess African ancestry. Also, they have their own rap/“keeping it real” ethos that actively encourages such explosive behavior. The soap operas must be funny/violent as hell.
Exactly. As noted criminologist Norm MacDonald has explained, we know a lot about murders involving “shallow graves.” Much less is known about the killers who had the work ethic to dig a deep grave, however.
This certainly epitomizes “senseless murder”.
The trouble is that these young men from the criminal underclass simply do not care if they are sent to prison for life, because they will be with their like-minded friends and will still be able to enjoy occasionally beating up some vulnerable prisoner for some imaginary slight.
If punished in prison with solitary confinement (or sharing a cell in confinement), they will still be happy as they can stay in bed until lunch time and do not have to work.
One story of prison life I heard in my prison days was that a kid lent another kid a girlie magazine, but the magazine was confiscated by correctional staff during a security search and he was unable to return the magazine.
Soon after the lender was transferred to another prison, but a few more months later the kid who had borrowed the magazine was attacked in the prison by the cousin of the original lender, and had his jaw severely broken as retribution for not returning the magazine.
At least it was only a magazine. It could have been something valuable like a home-made tattoo gun, in which case he would probably have been killed.
https://youtu.be/QYvVMmV7khM?t=405Replies: @Jonathan Mason
Presumably the problem with digging a deep grave is that you have a mountain of left over soil to form a burial mound after the body is buried.
Burying the deceased naked and putting some hotlime down there helps matters, though do not make the mistake of using so much hot lime that the body is mummified rather than decompose into the soil. Burn all clothing and effects, so I'm told.
Of course, sometimes the goal is that the decedent will be found and identified, as a message to the appropriate parties. That was the case with Tony "The Ant" Spilotro, as I recall.
The Fresno shooting involving members of the Hmong community was apparently “targeted,” but nobody don’ know nuffin and a quick search didn’t reveal anything since November 18.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fresno-mass-shooting-4-killed-6-wounded-in-shooting-at-backyard-football-viewing-party-in-california/
California seems really lit. Remember that Muslim couple that decided to arm up like a Marine Corps fire team and mow down an office Christmas party and then shoot it out with the cops for no-apparent lone-wolf-zero-implications-reason whatsoever? Their apartment was so completely CLUE-FREE the press were allowed to tromp through it in 12 hours. Amazing!
‘A friend of mine recently observed that crimes–murders–are committed nowadays for no reason whatsoever. Just taking out uncontrolled aggression on another.’
Yeah, it is getting weird. My daughter’s boyfriend is white, and comes from a predominantly white if not especially affluent suburb outside San Francisco.
Some neighbor of his murdered some other neighbor a few months ago. As I understand it, it was a bunch of middle-aged white guys doing the Hank Hill communal have-a-beer thing. Two of them got into a political argument and one left.
He came back with a gun and shot and killed his interlocutor.
Whatever happened to punching people in the nose?
I always chuckle when I watch these Agatha Christie murder mysteries, and "motive" is as integral part of solving the crime as the presence of DNA is nowadays. "Why, it couldn't be Colonel Mustard who did the deed, he had no motive!"
2019: "He like, took my parking space, so yeah, I like killed him."Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Colin Wright, @adreadline
‘2019: “He like, took my parking space, so yeah, I like killed him.”’
Or your girlfriend had to go to the bathroom. Remember that one?
Jill Leovy = Jolly Evil.
A guy I worked with, son of a West African man and a West Asian woman, moved not to SoCal but to a similar and nearby (by western standards) metro area. He hosts a party in his apartment. A male guest insults a female guest. She leaves in a huff…
…and returns with her boyfriend. Who’s armed. But lacks patience. He shoots not the disser, but the host, fatally.
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The victim was about 25. Immature, maybe, but he didn’t deserve to die.
You mean the murderous Ramirez brothers? They’re White (Caucasian) according to the police stats. So there.
Or, maybe, y’know, this was a terrible thing that happened, but it needs to be supplemented with more examples to be a wider pattern.
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Unz admires Hispanic law-abidingness and cleanliness from afar in 7% Hispanic Palo Alto (in a 27% hispanic county and 39% hispanic state).
Damen und herren, this is just sad. Whatever political points can be scored here, this kid (alright, I am a Boomer) did not deserve to die.
I always chuckle when I watch these Agatha Christie murder mysteries, and "motive" is as integral part of solving the crime as the presence of DNA is nowadays. "Why, it couldn't be Colonel Mustard who did the deed, he had no motive!"
2019: "He like, took my parking space, so yeah, I like killed him."Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Colin Wright, @adreadline
Murders with similar motives behind them are not rare here in Brazil. They are not the majority of homicides, but reportedly happen often, to be quickly forgotten among our ~60 thousand murders a year, many, if not most of them related to drug trafficking.
Relatively recent cases possibly not related to drugs include that of a man who shot a beggar who was harassing him during the early morning in Rio and that of a bouncer who shot a waiter after a presumably very heated discussion in a bar here in São Paulo, but the one I find more interesting was the murder of a homeless man, which was not done through firearms but was a classical stoning to death. Another homeless man confessed to the crime, and the motive was allegedly that one had trespassed on the other’s territory. As ordered by a court, he is to stay free while awaiting trial.
As one commenter had said, he, as an American, used to be ignorant of such happenings, and happily so, but as the United States is projected to keep increasing in population throughout this century, and much of this growth is to be due to immigration, you might as well know what the next decades might bring.
This is the kind of incident wherein I get into arguments with Ron Unz. Latinos are quite prone to beating people into brain damage and/or death. Raping gay women into straightness and kidnapping preteens for sexual purposes. Ron, however disagrees and thinks that Latino immigrants are not more prone to such behaviors. Who to believe, Ron, or my lying eyes.
If old Frankie had ran Mexico in that time, Mexico would still have been a lot more violent than Spain, but a lot less than it is now or was then. Genetics matters, but so does leadership. Tito kept the peace between Serbs and Croats, and they are a lot more hateful towards each other than random steezers and indios.
Freedom, law and order, multiracialism. Pick two.
One factor Ron won't consider is that native Whites change their behavior around Hispanics to lessen interaction and thus chances for crime. So things get shabbier but Ron can announce that all is well.
Can you post the police report or provide a link?
Meant to agree with J. Ross.
Skeptical of Rose-colored Unz, but gonna need more than one anecdote. TPTB aren’t replacing Blacks with Hispanics for nothing.
If you mean through immigration, no, we're still bringing in lots of blacks from other countries. Over eight percent of the black population is first generation immigrants.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Desiderius
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States#Historical_data_for_all_races_and_for_Hispanic_origin_(1610%E2%80%932010)
Well, you see, if you manipulate age related data this way, and then that way, run it through the rinse cycle a few times, classify a whole shitload of Spanish named mestizo suspects as white in the blotter (and make no mention of it) then viola! Messicans practically built the Mayflower, bro.
No, it doesn’t work like that. Whenever you dig a hole you never can find enough of the original dirt to fill it back in. It’s weird. For a hole with a body in it, this should work out really well though. I wouldn’t know for sure…
According to Roman agriculturalist Lucius Junius Moderatus Columella, digging a hole, and then refilling it was a reliable test of fertility. In De Re Rustica, he claims that if you have soil left over, the land is fertile; if there’s not enough left to fill the hole, it’s infertile.
You are better off digging the deep grave anyway, and if not able to tamp it down properly then bag off the excess soil and haul it away.
Burying the deceased naked and putting some hotlime down there helps matters, though do not make the mistake of using so much hot lime that the body is mummified rather than decompose into the soil. Burn all clothing and effects, so I’m told.
Of course, sometimes the goal is that the decedent will be found and identified, as a message to the appropriate parties. That was the case with Tony “The Ant” Spilotro, as I recall.
Well, in Franco’s Spain this stuff didn’t happen, and that was as Latino Hispanic as you can get, right?
If old Frankie had ran Mexico in that time, Mexico would still have been a lot more violent than Spain, but a lot less than it is now or was then. Genetics matters, but so does leadership. Tito kept the peace between Serbs and Croats, and they are a lot more hateful towards each other than random steezers and indios.
Freedom, law and order, multiracialism. Pick two.
If you don’t mind the occasional shootout in the streets between the Federales and the organized criminals.
Skeptical of Rose-colored Unz, but gonna need more than one anecdote. TPTB aren't replacing Blacks with Hispanics for nothing.Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @jon
TPTB aren’t replacing Blacks with Hispanics for nothing.
If you mean through immigration, no, we’re still bringing in lots of blacks from other countries. Over eight percent of the black population is first generation immigrants.
If you mean through immigration, no, we're still bringing in lots of blacks from other countries. Over eight percent of the black population is first generation immigrants.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Desiderius
But they’re “better quality” blacks than our own native blacks, no?
https://www.unz.com/isteve/taking-unwanted-party-guests-to-a-whole-nother-level/#comment-3616268
Absolutely correct.
Now if we only had a federal government agency – or perhaps we would call it a bureau – charged with the investigation of crimes nationwide that could collect and tabulate stats on crimes, including the name, age, race, and immigration status of perps and victims, and then report these stats to their boss, the taxpayer, so that we could use such stats to perform our vital function of deciding collectively how we are to be governed. But what would we call such an agency (or bureau)? A potential name for it seems to elude me.
Baseball bat attacks can work pretty well in gun control areas. But don’t try it in, say, Arizona.
Skeptical of Rose-colored Unz, but gonna need more than one anecdote. TPTB aren't replacing Blacks with Hispanics for nothing.Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @jon
Lol, blacks aren’t being replaced, we are. They were 10.7% of the population in the 1910 census, and 12.6% in the 2010 census.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States#Historical_data_for_all_races_and_for_Hispanic_origin_(1610%E2%80%932010)
Notice the last names.
I don’t think they’re black.
The weird and crucial thing about Agatha Christie is that she’s a great prose stylist, period, and all the murder-mystery stuff is incidental. I don’t read MFK Fisher because I want to know some nonsense about cooking that I could learn on Wikipedia. I read her because she rides the English language like a god damn bronco.
Agatha’s not a mystery writer, she is a sculptor of English language, like Shakespeare, Coleridge, Austen, Joyce on a good day, Blake on a bad one, Yeats regardless… and Flann O’Brien even if the horse-races didn’t go so well. Read one of her sentences: they’re perfect in the way that only Shirley Jackson or Frank O’Hara could pull off. I have absolutely no idea in the world who the murderer is, and I couldn’t care less. Like Shirley and Frank, and Mary-Frances K, I just want to know what Agatha had to say about it.
Usually I figure it out by half way and sometimes I can tell in the first chapter before it even happens based on the characterizations, it's going to be that guy. She got me with that one though.
Great metaphor for the vast majority of immigrants to the Western world.
And the Federales aren’t organized criminals?
My faith in humanity is always renewed by the selfless acts of courageous heroes whose suffering is so unquestionably unique:
— ( https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-jewish-activists-in-texas-are-waging-war-on-america-s-immigration-policies-1.8269267 )
None of the murders mentioned have mysterious motives.
As gangsta rap has taught us, it’s about being dissed.
Mexico isn’t a failed state. It isn’t poor on a global or historical scale, just less affluent than the country it sits next to. It has maintained some sort of legal order in the political sphere without interruption since 1920. Its northern states have a severe problem with organized and unorganized crime and there’s a great deal of corruption.
“Whenever you dig a hole you never can find enough of the original dirt to fill it back in”
According to Roman agriculturalist Lucius Junius Moderatus Columella, digging a hole, and then refilling it was a reliable test of fertility. In De Re Rustica, he claims that if you have soil left over, the land is fertile; if there’s not enough left to fill the hole, it’s infertile.
If you mean through immigration, no, we're still bringing in lots of blacks from other countries. Over eight percent of the black population is first generation immigrants.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Desiderius
(1) I’m talking about where TPTB (including Unz and Sailer) live. Steve has explained this. Ferguson is on the ass end of that process.
(2) Immigrant blacks are different than American blacks.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bampumim+teixeira
Women around the country in TPTB zones taking Uber and Lyft rides have also found out that immigrant blacks can be pretty black.
https://www.google.com/images?q=uber+driver+rape
https://www.google.com/images?q=lyft+driver+rapeWikipedia:
Recently two respected Boston doctors, at home in their TPTB penthouse condo, found out the hard way that immigrant blacks can be pretty black.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bampumim+teixeira
Women around the country in TPTB zones taking Uber and Lyft rides have also found out that immigrant blacks can be pretty black.
https://www.google.com/images?q=uber+driver+rape
https://www.google.com/images?q=lyft+driver+rape
Wikipedia:
See my reply to Desiderius:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/taking-unwanted-party-guests-to-a-whole-nother-level/#comment-3616268
Agatha's not a mystery writer, she is a sculptor of English language, like Shakespeare, Coleridge, Austen, Joyce on a good day, Blake on a bad one, Yeats regardless... and Flann O'Brien even if the horse-races didn't go so well. Read one of her sentences: they're perfect in the way that only Shirley Jackson or Frank O'Hara could pull off. I have absolutely no idea in the world who the murderer is, and I couldn't care less. Like Shirley and Frank, and Mary-Frances K, I just want to know what Agatha had to say about it.Replies: @Lars Porsena
I read a bunch of mysteries as a kid, personally I was impressed by Christie because her ‘And Then There Were None’/’10 Little Indians’ was the only one that ever kept me in the dark about who done it until the very end.
Usually I figure it out by half way and sometimes I can tell in the first chapter before it even happens based on the characterizations, it’s going to be that guy. She got me with that one though.
For now. Give them some time.
Well the “better sort” get inducted by acclamation into the wokerati where they do even more damage.
I’ll take American Blacks. The UNZes don’t, because even immgrant Aztlánti are less violent than urban Blacks. Which is about the lowest bar you can set, but it was the original point. They still litter like hell because they didn’t get the hose like we did.
They must be white supremacists.
Low Impulse Control. being too easily stirred to Rage is no trivial matter.
There seem to be these lethal zones of Testosterone level, low IQ & low conscientiousness.
These guys seem like they’d be ideal recruits as drug cartel henchmen. At least most of their rage would be directed against rival drug cartel thugs
Okay, but if we have any option in accepting immigrants, one such crime is too many.
No immigrants = no immigrant murderers, for the win.
What the Ron Unz type analysis misses is that complaining about immigrant crime is a proxy for complaining about immigrants in general. Everyone carries some sense that we live in a finite world; that there are only so many slots; why give such slots to people from another country? To apocryphally paraphrase Napoleon: “the women of this country can raise up all the people we need to dysfunctionaly overpopulate the place.” But it is déclassé and gauche to complain about immigrants as too many bodies, so one complains about the crime, considering that as the strongest proxy argument against immigrants.
So showing that an immigrant cohort has the same, or lower, crime rate than the natives changes nothing. A completely crime free cohort generates no categorical imperative to import them at demographic replacing levels.
Indeed.
One factor Ron won’t consider is that native Whites change their behavior around Hispanics to lessen interaction and thus chances for crime. So things get shabbier but Ron can announce that all is well.
Not an impressive comparison.