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My discovery from her deleted blog that Sarah Jeong just couldn’t stop believing in the Duke lacrosse and UVA Haven Monahan gang rape fantasies about tall handsome white jocks even after they were thoroughly debunked raises an interesting question that iSteve commenter Irish Paleo explores:

Irish Paleo

Submitted on 2018/08/04 at 7:06 am

Serious question: does a disproportionate number of third wave feminists experience rape fantasies and is this driving the moral panic about this phantom enemy of “rape culture”?

A lady who worked in South County Dublin libraries in the 1970s when Ireland was ground zero for borderline theocratic Catholic conservatism told me about people who used to regularly accost librarians with over the top complaints about “filth” and “indecency” in novels. They would frequently have pages tabbed and the offending sections underlined and force the poor librarians to listen to each and every offending passage, word for word. It eventually became clear to the staff that most of these people were in fact unhealthily turned on by the material and complaining about its supposed indecency was an excuse to constantly read and repeat it whilst feeling a false sense of virtue.

Which brings me to this Jeong lady and the likes of Sabrina Rubin Eardley, Lena Dunham etc, whose writings demonstrate, inter alia, an almost feral obsession with rape – in the aforementioned piece, the entire theme seems like some deranged excuse for using the word “rape” as many times as possible – so much so that it actually reads like badly written erotica or porn.

I’m reminded of two key Sailer themes:

1. The fundamentally correct observation that chick lit genres like Fifty Shades are basically thinly veiled rape fantasies where the reader gets to fantasize about getting an alpha male so hot under the collar that he loses control of his impulses and bursts upon her; and

2. Sailer’s first law of female journalism, which is another right on the money observation about female journalists being, with ever rising frequency, being obsessed with recasting the social order to make themselves rank higher in the hotness hierarchy.

How do the two interact? It strikes me that the typical third wave feminist is basically a classically intellectually vapid and slightly sex mad Mills & Boon trashy novel reading type who isn’t hot enough to visualize herself as the object of the alpha male’s uncontrollable lust and who dons a mantle of pseudo intellectualism and engages in confected rape hysteria as an excuse to make slightly steamy references to her body and of the male sex’s perverted desire to invade it – remember the late Andrea Dworkin’s obsession with the idea that men had nothing better to do than jump on her sweaty, dungaree-clad 200 pound firm?

I suspect that one reason for this crap becoming so much more prominent in our culture is, quite simply, the fact that with the media’s profitability in free fall, it’s much harder for the like of the Times and the Post to compete for graduate talent with law and accounting firms, Wall Street, Silicon Valley etc, meaning that the typical younger journalist like Ezra Klein or Ronan (née Satchel) Farrow is a resentful mediocrity who couldn’t hack it in a more lucrative field and has journalistic interests which are trivial and pedestrian (an effect which is only amplified by the resentment they feel towards those who are smarter, hotter etc.).

Overall, I suspect that the likes of the Sulzbergers are privately humiliated by being forced to scrape this particular quality barrel in order to stay solvent but what can they do? Appealing to smart readers with smart journalists is just too expensive so they have to make do.

 
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  1. They would frequently have pages tabbed and the offending sections underlined and force the poor librarians to listen to each and every offending passage, word for word. It eventually became clear to the staff that most of these people were in fact unhealthily turned on by the material and complaining about its supposed indecency was an excuse to constantly read and repeat it whilst feeling a false sense of virtue.

    Precisely this sort of thing fills up hours of Alt-Right podcasts. Unfortunately their source material comes from the web, so the stuff they detail is a thousand times worse than anything you’d find in a Dublin library 50yrs ago.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Cagey Beast


    Precisely this sort of thing fills up hours of Alt-Right podcasts. Unfortunately their source material comes from the web, so the stuff they detail is a thousand times worse than anything you’d find in a Dublin library 50yrs ago.
     
    The entire Manosphere is nothing but the mirror image of feminism, just as prudery and prostitution seem to create one another. Both, all, ought to be avoided.
  2. A lady who worked in South County Dublin libraries in the 1970s when Ireland was ground zero for borderline theocratic Catholic conservatism told me about people who used to regularly accost librarians with over the top complaints about “filth” and “indecency” in novels.

    An Irish disease?
    Sat, May 4, 2002

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/an-irish-disease-1.1056148

    https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1868760

    We must go back. Where sexuality is concerned, the current generation of young Irish people is probably the first “normal” one since 1845. Up to that year the Irish generally were a happily sexually active people. With an abundance of cheap food, the population grew and grew, and a small amount of ground produced a large supply of potatoes.

    In 1841, Ireland’s population was 8.1 million. In the intervening 120 years to 1961 the population almost halved to 4.2 million. The immediate cause of this catastrophic decline was the Great Famine, which began in 1845. An immediate effect was an end to the sub-division of holdings and diversification from the potato into other crops.

    This wrench in land use had a defining effect on Irish sexuality and the family. An economic imperative dictated sexual restraint as, regardless of family size, just one son would inherit. Others – sons and daughters – emigrated. And some, usually encouraged by a devout mother, entered the Church. The pattern persisted into the late 1960s.

    Sex became taboo. Allied to Victorian prudery and a Catholic Church seemingly fixated on sex as the only sin, sensuality was pushed under in Irish consciousness.

    A celibate elite became the noblest caste. They had unparalleled influence, through their close identification with Irish nationalism, the fact that they were educated when so many were not, and the control they exerted over what there was of an education system and healthcare service.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @FKA Max

    I was reading a contemporary Irish novelist a few years ago and the term "anhedonia" came to mind.

    As a reaction to Ireland hitting its Malthusian limit? Perhaps ...

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Dan Hayes
    @FKA Max

    FKA Max:


    For those unaware of the predilections of The Irish Times which form the basis of your comment, regard it cun grano salis.

    , @Jack D
    @FKA Max

    I don't believe this. There have been societies in history where people did not talk publicly about sex and sex was mostly confined to marriage, but the one constant in human history is that people have sex. If there was ever a society where that was not true (e.g. the Shakers), that society became extinct for obvious reasons.

    , @Alec Leamas
    @FKA Max

    All it has taken for the Irish to embrace "normal" sexuality in the form of sticking things in one's rectum (this is what is meant by "normal," of course) is the colonization of the Irish mind by the BBC and the abolition of Ireland itself, because of course "diversity" is uniquely (but still, just like every other white nation) Ireland's greatest strength. Who are you to say, Paddy O'Reilly, that this black-as-coal fellow from the Congo is not an Irishman through and through?


    And some, usually encouraged by a devout mother, entered the Church. The pattern persisted into the late 1960s.
     
    There is some truth in this insofar as vocations are concerned. Being the youngest, or the brightest, or perhaps a bit sensitive or effeminate might have earned you coercion into religious life by your parents. A same sex attracted child may have found that a life of prayer and celibacy was a great way to conquer his or her sinful proclivities. But it may have been a fool's errand for most, and practically a disaster in the wake of cultural revolutions in which sex is at the fore.
    , @John Derbyshire
    @FKA Max

    It's just one remote data point perhaps blurred by time, but I can report that living as a student in London and Liverpool 1963-67, Irish girls were widely regarded as easy.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double, @Sid, @Joe Walker, @Jack D, @(((They))) Live

  3. Eight of Steve’s last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @BEER/ we're all going to die
    @Reg Cæsar

    Har. More like developing anger inside. Realizing the writing is on the wall, no?

    , @RoryBellowsLives
    @Reg Cæsar

    I would say so! However, this Jeong character scandal has so many iSteve themes that it may be hard to tell if Steve is more attracted to her or the intersectionality of this entire brouhaha.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    , @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Shiite. You mean like Year of the Dragon?


    Asian women are the story of the Bravery of Hate.

    , @Mitchell Porter
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'm disturbed by a full third of those posts being about Jeong's views on some notorious rape hoaxes (and this current post is especially sordid), and just by a lot of the comments. This blog, and its comments, can be a wellspring of insight and alternative views, and I have enjoyed the opportunity to try to figure out what's up with Sarah Jeong and the New York Times. But I'm now feeling the need to back the hell off and see things through her eyes, or just from some other point of view, if I want to see the truth of the situation.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Joe Walker

    , @AndrewR
    @Reg Cæsar

    If you can't see how big of a deal it is that the NYT hired this girl and has, along with virtually all left-wing and some "right-wing" media, continued to defend her hiring, you clearly have an enormous amount of learning to do about the basics of American politics and culture.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    Eight of Steve’s last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?
     
    It's a highly topical and relevant story. Just this last week, CNN propagandist Jim Acosta got in a hissy-fit in the White House press room, demanding that Sarah Huckabee Sanders denounce a Trump comment to the effect that the Press is an enemy of the people. Well, the Times hiring of this Jeong woman, who evidently thinks that white people - white men specifically - are a universal enemy tends to prove that - yes, the press IS the enemy of the people. White people, anyway.
    , @Forbes
    @Reg Cæsar

    A vein as rich to be mined as Sarah Jeong doesn't come along every week or month. She does seem to fit Sailer's First Rule of Feminist Journalism though.

    , @FPD72
    @Reg Cæsar

    Using military terminology, Sarah represents a “target rich environment.”

    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Reg Cæsar

    Fifty Shades of iSteve: The Rape Fantasy

    The Story of O, O, O, White Man! Gimme that privilege, Daddy!

    Hell hath no fury like a feminazi/SJW debunked.

    , @Mr. Blank
    @Reg Cæsar

    I think it’s more because this incident feels like a Trayvon Martin/Michael Brown inflection point. A lot of people on what John Derbyshire calls the “dissident right” cite one or both of those incidents as their “red pill” moment. I know they were for me — watching leftists twisting and turning to try to come up with one justification after another for what were plainly incidents of violent thuggery was enormously sobering, as were the wide gaps between the way the incidents were described in initial press reports and the revelations of more through subsequent investigations. It was the first time I started to accept that at least some people on the left were motivated by actual malice, rather than good-faith disagreement.

    The nation’s paper of record hiring an outspoken anti-white bigot, and the lazy and condescending defenses of it by the leftist intelligentsia, feels like it could be another “aha” moment for a lot of folks — especially after several left-wing mobs successfully got right-wingers fired for far less. Like Trayvon and Michael Brown, it’s an unusually stark public demonstration of the elite’s naked hatred for white proles — one which will be noticed by a lot of folks who might otherwise tune this stuff out.

  4. Hahaaa! Everything always is about sex and money. Money is always secondary.

  5. Everything always comes down to sex…money is 2nd.

  6. I never thought that anyone could make me feel sympathetic towards Sarah Jeong. I actually feel sorry for her now.

    Perhaps Sailer and I are rivals in love.

    • LOL: ic1000
  7. I suggested something similar to this a few of your posts ago:

    “It has occurred to me that all of this hub bub Jeong has been going on about is a projection of her own infuriating fantasy to be aggressively bedded by a white hunk.”

    I am also of Irish descent, if that helps.

  8. I wouldn’t put Farrow in the mediocrity column. He’s gotten some big #MeToo scoops/scalps.

    Also, I don’t think journalism ever offered average pay as high as the big law firms, but a handful of well-placed journos do get big book/movie deals.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    Farrow is also pretty strong in the hotness dept, having Frank as a father and whatnot.

    Even journalists who didn't get book/tv/movie deals enjoyed tremendous prestige and the consequent ability to bed babes who would otherwise never even have looked at them. So there was serious pull, back in the day.

    Replies: @WowJustWow

    , @SporadicMyrmidon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Lacking better counterarguments, I'm classing Farrow with the currently rare honest, intelligent and hard-working leftists like Alan Dershowitz and Glenn Greenwald who are willing to pursue the truth where it leads.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PiltdownMan, @Mr. Anon

    , @Sapwood
    @Dave Pinsen

    Ronan Farrow also graduated from Yale Law at the unusually young age of 21. If he wanted a Big Law job, he could have easily obtained one.

    Of course he didn't go that route because he has family wealth and Big Law is not a good life. Why slave away at Sull Crom for 80 hours a week if you don't need the money?

    Replies: @Anonym

    , @Nicholas Stix
    @Dave Pinsen

    But were any of those #MeToo stories legit? I see the entire movement as a hoax.

  9. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    I wouldn’t put Farrow in the mediocrity column. He’s gotten some big #MeToo scoops/scalps.

    Also, I don’t think journalism ever offered average pay as high as the big law firms, but a handful of well-placed journos do get big book/movie deals.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @SporadicMyrmidon, @Sapwood, @Nicholas Stix

    Farrow is also pretty strong in the hotness dept, having Frank as a father and whatnot.

    Even journalists who didn’t get book/tv/movie deals enjoyed tremendous prestige and the consequent ability to bed babes who would otherwise never even have looked at them. So there was serious pull, back in the day.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    @Anonymous

    He turned out gay though. But in these times, an openly gay journalist is probably more difficult to entrap/blackmail than a straight one, so they can go after more dangerous stories. Like Glenn Greenwald.

  10. Ronan Farrow is as good looking as Frank Sinatra.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @JA

    Yeah, Frank didn’t exactly get by on his looks.

    Replies: @Anonym, @WowJustWow, @Prester John

  11. So, the NYT is doomed! To become a weird new kind of tabloid that is. And to think that they define the news cycle! Poor Adolph Ochs if he were alive would be spinning in his grave.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Luke Lea


    [NYT] a weird new kind of tabloid

     

    ... UFOs, grainy pictures of burly Russians in the woods, swastikas on the dark side of the moon, octomom ...
  12. So you’re saying that Sarah Jeong diddles herself to rape accusations by White Chad men?

    This is both funny and depressing at the same time.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that a large percentage of America’s ruling class (journalists/media, politicians, intelligentsia, national security establishment, etc.) are afflicted by some degree of mental illness.

    I’m reminded of the old saying: “Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad. ”

    Then again, is Sarah Jeong any more insane the rest of America’s rulers?

    Weren’t we recently told that Caitlyn Jenner is “stunning” and “beautiful”? How is Sarah Jeong any less insane than that?

    The video below happened. No, I’m not joking. The video below really did happen.

    I’m not joking. That really did happen.

    If you feel like you’re caught in an episode of the Twilight Zone, I empathize with you.

    This 1960 Twilight Zone episode seems to have foreshadowed our current reality.

    • Agree: Daniel H, TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Danindc
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Lol. That’s insane. No way that happened.

    , @Cagey Beast
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Meanwhile in Russia:

    https://i.imgur.com/mEf3xjg.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpYmwy5tLZQ

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Jack D

    , @Bubba
    @JohnnyWalker123


    This 1960 Twilight Zone episode seems to have foreshadowed our current reality.

     

    Great observation. And thank you for the Twilight Zone clip. Rod Serling was brilliant.
    , @Kylie
    @JohnnyWalker123

    WTF--??!!

    Of course I was aware that Bruce was now living in a dress. But I'd never heard the voice till now. Oh my effing Christ. Are you effing kidding me no question mark.

    , @Anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Holy Christ, that was hilarious. He sounds exactly like Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs

    , @JudyBlumeSussman
    @JohnnyWalker123


    the late Andrea Dworkin’s obsession with the idea that men had nothing better to do than jump on her sweaty, dungaree-clad 200 pound firm
     
    Whoa, whoa ... don't forget Dworkin's ogre head and pig face.
  13. @Reg Cæsar
    Eight of Steve's last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?

    Replies: @BEER/ we're all going to die, @RoryBellowsLives, @Anon, @Mitchell Porter, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes, @FPD72, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Mr. Blank

    Har. More like developing anger inside. Realizing the writing is on the wall, no?

  14. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025586524782559232

    Trump vs Lebron.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Michael Jordan: "I support LJ. He’s doing an amazing job for his community.”
     
    What 'community'? The mentally-handicapped??
    , @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What's funny is that the more "woke" blacktivist types are citing Jordan's response as an example of why they don't like him:

    https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/1025801203718844416

    https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/status/1025794461769588736

  15. @JohnnyWalker123
    So you're saying that Sarah Jeong diddles herself to rape accusations by White Chad men?

    This is both funny and depressing at the same time.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that a large percentage of America's ruling class (journalists/media, politicians, intelligentsia, national security establishment, etc.) are afflicted by some degree of mental illness.

    I'm reminded of the old saying: "Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad. "

    Then again, is Sarah Jeong any more insane the rest of America's rulers?

    Weren't we recently told that Caitlyn Jenner is "stunning" and "beautiful"? How is Sarah Jeong any less insane than that?

    The video below happened. No, I'm not joking. The video below really did happen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYj4_-EroNo

    I'm not joking. That really did happen.

    If you feel like you're caught in an episode of the Twilight Zone, I empathize with you.

    This 1960 Twilight Zone episode seems to have foreshadowed our current reality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4qXGByp8DY

    Replies: @Danindc, @Cagey Beast, @Bubba, @Kylie, @Anon, @JudyBlumeSussman

    Lol. That’s insane. No way that happened.

  16. @JohnnyWalker123
    So you're saying that Sarah Jeong diddles herself to rape accusations by White Chad men?

    This is both funny and depressing at the same time.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that a large percentage of America's ruling class (journalists/media, politicians, intelligentsia, national security establishment, etc.) are afflicted by some degree of mental illness.

    I'm reminded of the old saying: "Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad. "

    Then again, is Sarah Jeong any more insane the rest of America's rulers?

    Weren't we recently told that Caitlyn Jenner is "stunning" and "beautiful"? How is Sarah Jeong any less insane than that?

    The video below happened. No, I'm not joking. The video below really did happen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYj4_-EroNo

    I'm not joking. That really did happen.

    If you feel like you're caught in an episode of the Twilight Zone, I empathize with you.

    This 1960 Twilight Zone episode seems to have foreshadowed our current reality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4qXGByp8DY

    Replies: @Danindc, @Cagey Beast, @Bubba, @Kylie, @Anon, @JudyBlumeSussman

    Meanwhile in Russia:

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Cagey Beast

    Here's Bill Maher looking at the same phenomena from the opposite perspective. He get's it but his view is reversed. For him, it's great that London is no longer White, that the French national soccer is majority African and that Germany is now filled with "brothers":

    https://youtu.be/QhJIt4uv9x4?t=159


    I'm glad we're all finally getting down to brass tacks now.

    , @Jack D
    @Cagey Beast

    I don't understand. Russia is this wonderful 100% white country filled with beautiful 100% white nationalistic people but their GDP is at Mexican levels (and would be even lower if they did not have oil exports since the country doesn't really produce much of anything else that is of export quality) and their other stats (life expectancy, birth rate, rate of alcoholism, murder rate, etc.) also mostly suck too. How do the race mongrels of America (who kneel in shame every time they hear the national anthem) beat the pure white Russians?

    Replies: @Anon, @Cagey Beast

  17. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025586524782559232

    https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1025787054620327936

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9a2pFWTgzs

    Trump vs Lebron.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Michael Jordan: “I support LJ. He’s doing an amazing job for his community.”

    What ‘community’? The mentally-handicapped??

  18. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of conspiracy theories, it’s HOAX TIME again in America. (Which is another way of saying, it’s one of the days of the week that ends in ‘y’.)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6027735/KKK-launches-campaign-recruit-children-upstate-New-York-free-CANDY.html

    Governor Cuomo: ‘While President Trump and Republicans in Washington sow divisiveness and hate that is spreading like a cancer across the country, in New York we say not here, not now, not ever.’

    Rod Klopanstein, president of the local historical society, said: “The KKK is a terrorist organization, and even dropping off these materials itself is terrifying, especially when you find something like this in your driveway in the morning.”

    State Police promised an investigation, which will turn out ‘inconclusive’.

    Expect these ‘events’ to ramp up ever more often as the November election nears.

  19. Yes, and let’s not forget Emma Sulkowicz, the “Mattress Girl” of 2013, who ensnared her fellow Columbia student and German (!) national Paul Nungesser in a rape fantasy which disappeared into the ether after official examination of the facts and despite a ceaseless barrage of feminist victimization gibberish.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    @HunInTheSun

    And then she made a porno.

    , @Hail
    @HunInTheSun


    Emma Sulkowicz
     
    She got a wikipedia page out of it. She seems pretty highly unstable. As many on the /hapas reddit have it, this seems pretty standard for White-father, East Asian-mother pairings.

    Note: She is half-Jewish and seemingly half SE-Asia Overseas Chinese. (Another of the emerging half-Jewish, half-East Asian Jewish auxiliary force described by Amy Chua in her Tiger Mother book. If Sarah Jeong had a baby with a White man, gentile or Jewish, the baby would probably also grow up to be such.

    Krazy Emma Sulkowicz's mother is a Sandra Leong. Leong is a spelling used in Malaysia, Singapore, Macau, and Hong Kong, not used by PRC-Chinese or Taiwanese (it seems). Of the four Leongs listed by Wikipedia, two are from Hong Kong, one Macau, and one Malaysia.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    , @eah
    @HunInTheSun

    https://s26.postimg.cc/n8wykl72x/omg_we_made_love.jpg

  20. Fascinating analysis but assigns too much integrity to the journo elite by assuming they don’t want these click bait haters of white people. Yeah, they probably would rather have more nuanced hatred of white people like their more traditional columnists but times change and the method of hating whites has to change with them. What is important is that the journalists hate white people.

    Jeong and her ilk are probably not like the Irish prudes in that, as Steve’s prior post shows, Asian hatred of whites is an act. Asian cultures are real ends justify the means cultures as long as the end benefits the family. Asians see what they need to do to get ahead and do it. If loving whites was what it took, they would be portraying themselves as in love with everything white. As is, they quickly see that hating whitey is the game du jour so they enthusiastically hate whitey.

    That is why Derb is being naive when he thinks that there can be an ice people alliance. Asians see that the trend is anti white. They won’t gain in the short term by aligning themselves with the losers, whites, except on issues like quotas where the whites help the Asians. If Jews start worrying about the power Asians and turn on them, then maybe Asians will regroup and allign with whites

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @TheBoom


    Asians see that the trend is anti white. They won’t gain in the short term by aligning themselves with the losers, whites, except on issues like quotas where the whites help the Asians. If Jews start worrying about the power Asians and turn on them, then maybe Asians will regroup and allign [sp] with whites
     
    Implicit in your analysis is the idea that Jews are not white. In fact upper class whites and Jews and Asians are already aligned. They attend the same elite universities, work in the same law firm and banks, live in the same neighborhoods, marry each other. And they all (including, maybe especially, the WASPs) hate flyover state, gun toting lower class whites and would rather die than ally with them.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @SFG
    @TheBoom

    More likely you're going to get East Asians intermarrying into the Jewish-WASP-Indian soup at Harvard, etc. I already know one Chinese guy who married an Indian-Jewish mix. We'll eventually have a multiracial 'Jeurasian' (as the GNXP guys put it somewhere) overclass lording it over an increasingly mixed blue collar white-Hispanic-black underclass (I think they had this one as 'Redblex'), ESPECIALLY with the 'flight from white' Steve has described. Other groups like Vietnamese, etc. will mix into the soup at different levels.

    So racial mystery meat at all levels, but with different ingredients depending on the social class. Big noses and epicanthic folds on the upper classes, frizzy hair and generally darker skin on the lower classes.

    Replies: @Jack D

  21. I think Irish Paleo might have radically underestimated Andrew Dworkin’s weight.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  22. I don’t buy this theory. Journalism offers something that law firms do not: influence. A highly read journalist, and even more so a publisher, has far more social influence over the national conversation than a random stock broker who is raking in the bucks.

    Viewing everything through the prism of envy by either money or sex may be tempting, but it is a fundamental mistake because it underestimates the ideological fervor/hatred that many of these people have. Jeong needs to be taken seriously in her crude racism. She cannot be dismissed by shallow grounds. Someone like Klein, who is protecting Israel by explaining the I/P conflict as about real estate rather than it really is about (persistent colonisation), even as he gives space to virulent anti-white bigots also cannot be dismissed by claiming he is resentful for not being a big-shot income earner.

    This strain, this insistence on viewing the world through the lens of money or sex, underestimates ideological commitments. It underestimates that some of these people carry burning hatreds of whites that is not dependent on income levels (and at any rate, both Jeong and Klein earn above average and are comfortably upper-middle class by now. Klein is most likely outright rich).

    I can see the allure, but I think it is dangerous to reduce it to such shallow depths. The problem here is far deeper, and it is structurally embedded in our culture.

    • Agree: Thea
  23. Andrea Dworkin apparently weighed 400lb at death and the undertaker needed a cherry picker to evacuate the corpse from her first floor unit.

  24. Anonymous[197] • Disclaimer says:

    Hitchcock said while making “The Birds,” apparently only half-facetiously, that he subscribed to the dramatic-efficiency advice of Victorien Sardou: “Torture the women” (i.e. 51-plus percent of movie audiences). And I, for one, believe the old fat bastard knew whereof he spake.

    Is it not major, catastrophic, DEFCON 1 enstupidation that we already waste *this* much time debating how policy/consumer-capitalism should more slavishly cater to women’s whims and psychological insecurities, which yet never seems to be enough? Also, give it a rest with pseudo-insights on women’s “rape fantasies” unless you’re going to ponder that notorious male fetish for 60-hour-work-week, penny-pinching, subsisting-on-Ramen lifestyle, you know, “wealth fantasies.” If women can be said to dream about being raped then it’s with equivalent seriousness to their dreams of dabbling in the career of a high-class call girl. Maybe you saw that really gritty Julia Roberts movie about it.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Anonymous

    24 [197] > that we already waste *this* much time debating how policy/consumer-capitalism


    well, how much ad revenue has RonUnz been able to book with his riveting articles about goy-blood-in-matzah?

    Media is show biz. And before it is anything else, it is a business.

    , @Hockamaw
    @Anonymous


    If women can be said to dream about being raped then it’s with equivalent seriousness to their dreams of dabbling in the career of a high-class call girl.
     
    That's a very incisive and well taken point, but nevertheless it is equally true that the entire SJW/feminist movement is basically one giant shit test that Western men failed miserably. SJWism and feminism are at their core extremely frivolous and unserious ideologies that have perniciously invaded the cultural vacuum left by Western man's abdication of his responsibility to be a leader at home. The Catholic Church has its problems, God knows, but one of the things it is absolutely right about is that cultural decline all starts in the home. If white men had collecticely been more responsible husbands and fathers for the past couple of generarions, we wouldn't be in this mess we're in today.
    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Hitchcock takes the torture of women to another level in his next to last movie, Frenzy, which concerns a necktie murderer who rapes and strangles his victims (and the strangulations are graphically depicted on screen - the camera does not cut away) . One of his biographers called one of these scenes "one of the most repellent examples of a detailed murder in the history of film".

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @Brady
    @Anonymous

    You're way off base here.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19085605


    This study evaluated the rape fantasies of female undergraduates (N = 355) using a fantasy checklist that reflected the legal definition of rape and a sexual fantasy log that included systematic prompts and self-ratings. Results indicated that 62% of women have had a rape fantasy, which is somewhat higher than previous estimates. For women who have had rape fantasies, the median frequency of these fantasies was about 4 times per year, with 14% of participants reporting that they had rape fantasies at least once a week. In contrast to previous research, which suggested that rape fantasies were either entirely aversive or entirely erotic, rape fantasies were found to exist on an erotic-aversive continuum, with 9% completely aversive, 45% completely erotic, and 46% both erotic and aversive.
     
  25. Steve, I love you as much as anyone, but please stop.

  26. @JohnnyWalker123
    So you're saying that Sarah Jeong diddles herself to rape accusations by White Chad men?

    This is both funny and depressing at the same time.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that a large percentage of America's ruling class (journalists/media, politicians, intelligentsia, national security establishment, etc.) are afflicted by some degree of mental illness.

    I'm reminded of the old saying: "Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad. "

    Then again, is Sarah Jeong any more insane the rest of America's rulers?

    Weren't we recently told that Caitlyn Jenner is "stunning" and "beautiful"? How is Sarah Jeong any less insane than that?

    The video below happened. No, I'm not joking. The video below really did happen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYj4_-EroNo

    I'm not joking. That really did happen.

    If you feel like you're caught in an episode of the Twilight Zone, I empathize with you.

    This 1960 Twilight Zone episode seems to have foreshadowed our current reality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4qXGByp8DY

    Replies: @Danindc, @Cagey Beast, @Bubba, @Kylie, @Anon, @JudyBlumeSussman

    This 1960 Twilight Zone episode seems to have foreshadowed our current reality.

    Great observation. And thank you for the Twilight Zone clip. Rod Serling was brilliant.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
  27. +1

  28. Anon[878] • Disclaimer says:

    When you read aloud salacious material to someone who doesn’t want to hear it, that’s just a variation of exposing your genitals in public. The person reading the stuff aloud gets off on the shocked reaction, just like the flasher. There’s no real moral outrage there at all, it’s just their excuse to talk dirty to someone.

    You people are not cynical enough.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  29. @Dave Pinsen
    I wouldn’t put Farrow in the mediocrity column. He’s gotten some big #MeToo scoops/scalps.

    Also, I don’t think journalism ever offered average pay as high as the big law firms, but a handful of well-placed journos do get big book/movie deals.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @SporadicMyrmidon, @Sapwood, @Nicholas Stix

    Lacking better counterarguments, I’m classing Farrow with the currently rare honest, intelligent and hard-working leftists like Alan Dershowitz and Glenn Greenwald who are willing to pursue the truth where it leads.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    Ronan Farrow has some issues: Is my real dad Woody Allen or Frank Sinatra?

    But he's putting together a track record of delivering scoops in his field of entertainment journalism against powerful guys that's a little reminiscent of Seymour Hersh's in national security reporting.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ben tillman

    , @PiltdownMan
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    Ronan Farrow piled up some impressive credentials early in life. He got his bachelor's degree at age 15 and completed Yale Law School at 21.

    I give him credit for bailing out of Hillary Clinton's State Department, which is where he started his career after law school. He could have had a pretty good conventional career in government, law or politics with his name recognition, or in play-it-safe journalism, but he is pretty independent and non-conformist in what he chooses to pursue. He's definitely not a mediocrity, even if he seems a bit undecided about what he wants to do.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @SporadicMyrmidon


    Lacking better counterarguments, I’m classing Farrow with the currently rare honest, intelligent and hard-working leftists like Alan Dershowitz and Glenn Greenwald who are willing to pursue the truth where it leads.
     
    I think Greenwald is an honorable man. I have no reason to doubt as much. But Alan D. just strikes me as a slimy, opportunistic creep. And I would not be surprised if his recent sucking up to FOX News and the Trump administration is down to his desire to seek political protection in the wake of his involvement in the Jeffrey Epstein case.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  30. Overall, I suspect that the likes of the Sulzbergers are privately humiliated by being forced to scrape this particular quality barrel in order to stay solvent but what can they do? Appealing to smart readers with smart journalists is just too expensive so they have to make do.

    Some solid analysis, but I think this last paragraph does not apply to the current Sulzberger running the Times. I think generations ago, the Sulzbergers had a sense of dignity and shame in which the current violent ignorance embraced by the Times would be deeply embarrassing.

    Sadly, those days are over. The current Sulzberger generation is decadent, ignorant and lacks any historical perspective.

    The Sulzbergers are out for blood and revolution. They will settle for nothing less.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Clifford Brown


    The Sulzbergers are out for blood and revolution.
     
    Why wouldn't they - they have nothing to lose but their chains. Oh, no wait, they have a lot to lose and really want to keep things the way they are, with a globalized elite (membership in which is governed by class and education and not race) presiding over the masses who are too dumb to govern themselves and need the wise counsel of the globo-elites to tell them what to do. As the masses become browner and more diverse, it is necessary to include some people who LOOK like the masses (but THINK like the elites) in the elites for appearances sake. Obama was a prime example.
  31. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025586524782559232

    https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1025787054620327936

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9a2pFWTgzs

    Trump vs Lebron.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    What’s funny is that the more “woke” blacktivist types are citing Jordan’s response as an example of why they don’t like him:

  32. @Reg Cæsar
    Eight of Steve's last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?

    Replies: @BEER/ we're all going to die, @RoryBellowsLives, @Anon, @Mitchell Porter, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes, @FPD72, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Mr. Blank

    I would say so! However, this Jeong character scandal has so many iSteve themes that it may be hard to tell if Steve is more attracted to her or the intersectionality of this entire brouhaha.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @RoryBellowsLives


    ...this Jeong character scandal has so many iSteve themes...
     
    Precisely so. Anybody complaining about how much Sailer is posting about this just doesn't get blogging. Not only is this story a perfect storm of ISteve themes, but it's achieved some main-stream traction - up to and including a presidential tweet. Sailer would be crazy not to milk it for all it's worth while there's still time, before it all blows over.
  33. The AltRabbi said, about another Asian girl brouhaha :

    This is what Jewish subversion would look like without the high verbal ability.

    The ramblings of Jeong and her ilk read like a current-year, millenial careerist, poisonously hostile version of Kathy Change (an Asian Bronx Science alumna gone nuts). A stream of free-floating, fungible SJW boilerplate, mixed with a liberal dose of crazy.

    I want to protest the present government and economic system and the cynicism and passivity of the people…as emphatically as I can. But primarily, I want to get publicity in order to draw attention to my proposal for immediate social transformation. To do this I plan to end my own life. The attention of the media is only caught by acts of violence. My moral principles prevent me from doing harm to anyone else or their property, so I must perform this act of violence against myself. . . . It is a waste of energy to get angry and gripe at the government. The government must be replaced with a truly democratic self-government of, for and by the people. Those working in industries essential to maintaining life should democratically take over their workplaces and organize an emergency economy to supply the needs of the people. The rest of the people should meet in their communities to organize a new directly democratic community-based self-government. ….

    “[I] need to do something sensational that will make headline news and people will have to stop and talk about me and the message that I’m trying to put out.”

    (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Change )

    Speaking of Bronx Science, here is a tragicomic piece of iSteve intersectionality. An Asian-American Chappaquiddick, featuring a family of Asian politicians, immigrant corruption, Asian graduates of NYC exam schools, a protest against White Privilege, and fraternity rituals getting out of hand.

    In December 2013, prospective member Chun Hsien “Michael” Deng died from brain trauma due to suspected [fraternity] hazing … Deng, 18 was a recent graduate of The Bronx High School of Science.[10] Deng and four other pledges wore 30 lb. backpacks filled with sand while members of the fraternity tackled them during a ritual known as “The Glass Ceiling,” which represented Asian American struggle in the United States. Despite Deng becoming immediately unconscious, his fraternity brothers failed to call for emergency help, instead attempting to cover up the incident.[11] … Deng’s parent’s had filed a lawsuit against the fraternity, including Meng, who is the younger brother of U.S. representative [and Stuyvesant High School alumna] Grace Meng.[15] When Deng lost consciousness his fraternity brothers called Meng who allegedly told them to conceal any evidence of the fraternity before calling the authorities.[16] Andrew Meng is facing charges of hazing, conspiracy and hindering apprehension.[18]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Delta_Psi#Hazing_incident

    Grace is the daughter of Jimmy Meng. Like JFK, Jimmy won an election using “ghost voters”.

    Google Translate of Jimmy Meng’s interview about his vote fraud scandal:

    The Post also refers to Queens District Prosecutor Brown to investigate whether the incident involves [vote] fraud. Meng Guangrui pointed out that he did not know about these so-called “ghost voters”, and many of the incidents were unfounded. He did not want to talk more, so as not to be more and more black.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @academic gossip


    This is what Jewish subversion would look like without the high verbal ability.
     
    Hilarious! Because Asians run NYT, right?

    I got news for you - this WAS “Jewish subversion.” Who do you think gave this Jeong bimbo a job?
    , @jim jones
    @academic gossip

    We have self-government already, it is called the free market

    , @Jack D
    @academic gossip


    pledges wore 30 lb. backpacks filled with sand while members of the fraternity tackled them during a ritual known as “The Glass Ceiling,” which represented Asian American struggle in the United States.
     
    You really can't make this shit up. If I wrote a piece of non-satirical fiction in which this happened, people would criticize my fiction for being over the top and unrealistic.

    Did the tacklers wear whiteface while they did this? Trump masks? How long has this been going on and does it go on with other minorities? I've never heard of anything like this for a Jewish frat - Jewish frat hazing is just like any other frat hazing. Connecting it to any kind of socio-political agenda is the farthest thing from anyone's mind. If pledges are getting paddled, that's just because that's how it has always been done. Jews don't pretend that they are being beaten by Egyptians or Nazis or re-enact the blackballing of their grandfathers from Merion Cricket Club, at least they didn't in the past. God knows what craziness goes on on campus in 2018.

    Replies: @academic gossip

  34. “Match maker, match maker, make me a match”…could not be found on Google, hahhhahhaaaa! – not even the Broadway reference! WTF?!!!!! Rape fantasies are real (get over it) …however, cough, cough, they do so include every race/ethnicity/age (ewww…but for some people, whatever rocks their boat) etc. (I can’t believe I just typed that).

    We all know where this is heading: some bad white guy Sarah (total lie) Jeong really liked, was a college, non-game guy, who decided he was not so into her. Shit happens – but I will not let this dumb-ass Asian chick, who got into Harvard on AA & Berkeley on the AA magic carpet, screw anyone else, anymore. She is worthless; and a disgusting human being after her filthy mouth spewed her secrets for all to see. Koreans eat dogs…well, in my world, she is worse than a dog. Her mouth will make even her employers of today, rue the day this happened in 8/2018 – sometimes Jews are so stupid, they forget their plan. _ This chick is gonna latch on to Palestine like the last bone in the house. And, you will not be able to get her to STFU. I can’t wait 🙂 !

    But yey, keep it going! Trump 2020! & Pence 2024!

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Lagertha

    Jeong will turn on her handlers once she realizes she actually, can't say anything she wants on twitter...or write anything on NYT or elsewhere...esepcially about Palestinians. It sucks when your ass is owned by the masters, so I look forward for her to be as mouthy, or at all mouthy, in the near future. She signed up for Totalarianship, so she will toe the line or else! hahhaaaaa - what a dummy! Proves my point that HYP have been accepting these dumb-ass babie bolsheviks (often from Asia) these past few years..but they wind up being so totally embarrassing and, more importantly, a liability! The top STEM students are going to lowly State U bc they will have no debt. NO DEBT/NO LOAN. boom.

  35. Anonymous[511] • Disclaimer says:

    Unmentioned in all of this is the extraordinary east Asian belief in magic – particularly imitative magic – and superstition of all kinds, which seems to be so deeply engrained in the psyche as to be almost genetic in origin. These days the magical thinking is often subliminated and manifests itself in all manner of unexpected ways.

    If you will bear with me…..

    Witness, for example, the extraordinary success and fervor of Christianity in Korea, of all the denominations – even including the Rev. Moon’s eccentric brand. A creed prior to 1950 which was totally alien and unknown to Koreans. The inference is that Koreans fanatically adopted the faith – the religion of the American occupiers – more or less in the belief that it would make them, materially at least, ‘more American’ in the sense of the occupiers trappings of wealth, technology and power, in the way of imitative magic, the effect not the cause.

    Also witness, the apparent speed and totality of junking what was ‘traditionally Korean’ from wearing apparel to architecture in favor of the outward show of Americanism.
    Here again we see the ancient engrained belief, the cargo cult, if you will, that one acquires the desideratum by imitating the outward show, and thence ‘magically’ it will flow.

    If modern PC whipped Totem Pole/Economist America has a State Religion – the most zealous acolytes of that religion, according to imitative magic get the goodies – then it is ‘Shitting on White Men’.That’s the Royal if not Holy road to sanctity – and riches.
    All Ms. Yeong was doing in her good old primeval Tungus shaman way was to out-imitate the standard NYT/Economist party line in the expectation of bumper goodies from the Totem Pole gods.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    A creed prior to 1950 which was totally alien and unknown to Koreans.

    Korea is kind of black hole in my knowledge base so I went and looked this up. Wikipedia says about 2% of Korea was Christian in 1945 and now 30% is. So Christianity wasn't totally unknown, but wasn't very known in Korea either.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    east Asian belief in magic
     
    Well, certainly Asian magicians are well-represented among FISM winners: https://fism.org/championship-contests/fism-winners/fism-winners-2012-2018/
    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    South Korea especially is a brand new society. The Japanese had unmoored Korea from it traditional connections to China almost a century earlier but when they left at the end of WWII they were such hated occupiers that they could not form a model for the future (the Koreans could not admit to themselves that they were like the hated Japanese in any way, even though they were ). The South was always the more rural part and the war destroyed Seoul. The end of the war was like year zero for Korea and modeling their new society (somewhat) on America was not a bad choice - you can't argue with the results. The North, modeled on Stalin's Soviet Union, turned out a LOT worse.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  36. @Lagertha
    "Match maker, match maker, make me a match"...could not be found on Google, hahhhahhaaaa! - not even the Broadway reference! WTF?!!!!! Rape fantasies are real (get over it) ...however, cough, cough, they do so include every race/ethnicity/age (ewww...but for some people, whatever rocks their boat) etc. (I can't believe I just typed that).

    We all know where this is heading: some bad white guy Sarah (total lie) Jeong really liked, was a college, non-game guy, who decided he was not so into her. Shit happens - but I will not let this dumb-ass Asian chick, who got into Harvard on AA & Berkeley on the AA magic carpet, screw anyone else, anymore. She is worthless; and a disgusting human being after her filthy mouth spewed her secrets for all to see. Koreans eat dogs...well, in my world, she is worse than a dog. Her mouth will make even her employers of today, rue the day this happened in 8/2018 - sometimes Jews are so stupid, they forget their plan. _ This chick is gonna latch on to Palestine like the last bone in the house. And, you will not be able to get her to STFU. I can't wait :) !

    But yey, keep it going! Trump 2020! & Pence 2024!

    Replies: @Lagertha

    Jeong will turn on her handlers once she realizes she actually, can’t say anything she wants on twitter…or write anything on NYT or elsewhere…esepcially about Palestinians. It sucks when your ass is owned by the masters, so I look forward for her to be as mouthy, or at all mouthy, in the near future. She signed up for Totalarianship, so she will toe the line or else! hahhaaaaa – what a dummy! Proves my point that HYP have been accepting these dumb-ass babie bolsheviks (often from Asia) these past few years..but they wind up being so totally embarrassing and, more importantly, a liability! The top STEM students are going to lowly State U bc they will have no debt. NO DEBT/NO LOAN. boom.

  37. @Anonymous
    Unmentioned in all of this is the extraordinary east Asian belief in magic - particularly imitative magic - and superstition of all kinds, which seems to be so deeply engrained in the psyche as to be almost genetic in origin. These days the magical thinking is often subliminated and manifests itself in all manner of unexpected ways.

    If you will bear with me.....

    Witness, for example, the extraordinary success and fervor of Christianity in Korea, of all the denominations - even including the Rev. Moon's eccentric brand. A creed prior to 1950 which was totally alien and unknown to Koreans. The inference is that Koreans fanatically adopted the faith - the religion of the American occupiers - more or less in the belief that it would make them, materially at least, 'more American' in the sense of the occupiers trappings of wealth, technology and power, in the way of imitative magic, the effect not the cause.

    Also witness, the apparent speed and totality of junking what was 'traditionally Korean' from wearing apparel to architecture in favor of the outward show of Americanism.
    Here again we see the ancient engrained belief, the cargo cult, if you will, that one acquires the desideratum by imitating the outward show, and thence 'magically' it will flow.

    If modern PC whipped Totem Pole/Economist America has a State Religion - the most zealous acolytes of that religion, according to imitative magic get the goodies - then it is 'Shitting on White Men'.That's the Royal if not Holy road to sanctity - and riches.
    All Ms. Yeong was doing in her good old primeval Tungus shaman way was to out-imitate the standard NYT/Economist party line in the expectation of bumper goodies from the Totem Pole gods.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Twinkie, @Jack D

    A creed prior to 1950 which was totally alien and unknown to Koreans.

    Korea is kind of black hole in my knowledge base so I went and looked this up. Wikipedia says about 2% of Korea was Christian in 1945 and now 30% is. So Christianity wasn’t totally unknown, but wasn’t very known in Korea either.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Steve Sailer


    Wikipedia says about 2% of Korea was Christian in 1945
     
    That’s likely a serious underestimate. Both the Joseon Dynasty and the Japanese occupation brutally suppressed Christianity in Korea, and many leading members of the Korean liberation movement were Christians. It’s true, though, that the explosion of growth among the masses in Korea happened during the 60’s and 70’s.

    Replies: @Anon

  38. @SporadicMyrmidon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Lacking better counterarguments, I'm classing Farrow with the currently rare honest, intelligent and hard-working leftists like Alan Dershowitz and Glenn Greenwald who are willing to pursue the truth where it leads.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PiltdownMan, @Mr. Anon

    Ronan Farrow has some issues: Is my real dad Woody Allen or Frank Sinatra?

    But he’s putting together a track record of delivering scoops in his field of entertainment journalism against powerful guys that’s a little reminiscent of Seymour Hersh’s in national security reporting.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    I doubt Farrow has any such issues, since he's probably taken a DNA test or two by now. Even a paternity test is not really necessary (a 23andme "48.5% Ashkenazi Jewish" or "38% Southern European" should more or less answer the question). BTW, post-surgery, cross-country Sinatra impregnating Mia Farrow as she's filming a movie with Woody in New York in March 1987 would be quite a feat.

    Anyway, from the coverage of this Sarah Jeong here, you'd think she's just been nominated for Vice President. Is she this year's James Damore? I think she's crossing over into "THE Sarah Jeong?" territory now.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @PiltdownMan, @dcite

    , @ben tillman
    @Steve Sailer

    Speaking of Seymour Hersh, when he is going to publicly call bullshit on this Russia thing? The surreptitious recording by Butowsky has been long forgotten (partly by a fake new event manufactured to coincide with it), but there are millions of copies of it out there.

    Replies: @Meretricious

  39. @academic gossip
    The AltRabbi said, about another Asian girl brouhaha :

    This is what Jewish subversion would look like without the high verbal ability.
     
    The ramblings of Jeong and her ilk read like a current-year, millenial careerist, poisonously hostile version of Kathy Change (an Asian Bronx Science alumna gone nuts). A stream of free-floating, fungible SJW boilerplate, mixed with a liberal dose of crazy.

    I want to protest the present government and economic system and the cynicism and passivity of the people…as emphatically as I can. But primarily, I want to get publicity in order to draw attention to my proposal for immediate social transformation. To do this I plan to end my own life. The attention of the media is only caught by acts of violence. My moral principles prevent me from doing harm to anyone else or their property, so I must perform this act of violence against myself. . . . It is a waste of energy to get angry and gripe at the government. The government must be replaced with a truly democratic self-government of, for and by the people. Those working in industries essential to maintaining life should democratically take over their workplaces and organize an emergency economy to supply the needs of the people. The rest of the people should meet in their communities to organize a new directly democratic community-based self-government. ....

    "[I] need to do something sensational that will make headline news and people will have to stop and talk about me and the message that I'm trying to put out."
     
    (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Change )

    Speaking of Bronx Science, here is a tragicomic piece of iSteve intersectionality. An Asian-American Chappaquiddick, featuring a family of Asian politicians, immigrant corruption, Asian graduates of NYC exam schools, a protest against White Privilege, and fraternity rituals getting out of hand.

    In December 2013, prospective member Chun Hsien "Michael" Deng died from brain trauma due to suspected [fraternity] hazing ... Deng, 18 was a recent graduate of The Bronx High School of Science.[10] Deng and four other pledges wore 30 lb. backpacks filled with sand while members of the fraternity tackled them during a ritual known as "The Glass Ceiling," which represented Asian American struggle in the United States. Despite Deng becoming immediately unconscious, his fraternity brothers failed to call for emergency help, instead attempting to cover up the incident.[11] ... Deng's parent's had filed a lawsuit against the fraternity, including Meng, who is the younger brother of U.S. representative [and Stuyvesant High School alumna] Grace Meng.[15] When Deng lost consciousness his fraternity brothers called Meng who allegedly told them to conceal any evidence of the fraternity before calling the authorities.[16] Andrew Meng is facing charges of hazing, conspiracy and hindering apprehension.[18]

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Delta_Psi#Hazing_incident

    Grace is the daughter of Jimmy Meng. Like JFK, Jimmy won an election using "ghost voters".

    Google Translate of Jimmy Meng's interview about his vote fraud scandal:

    The Post also refers to Queens District Prosecutor Brown to investigate whether the incident involves [vote] fraud. Meng Guangrui pointed out that he did not know about these so-called "ghost voters", and many of the incidents were unfounded. He did not want to talk more, so as not to be more and more black.
     

    Replies: @Twinkie, @jim jones, @Jack D

    This is what Jewish subversion would look like without the high verbal ability.

    Hilarious! Because Asians run NYT, right?

    I got news for you – this WAS “Jewish subversion.” Who do you think gave this Jeong bimbo a job?

  40. Anonymous [AKA "Beene113"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    Ronan Farrow has some issues: Is my real dad Woody Allen or Frank Sinatra?

    But he's putting together a track record of delivering scoops in his field of entertainment journalism against powerful guys that's a little reminiscent of Seymour Hersh's in national security reporting.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ben tillman

    I doubt Farrow has any such issues, since he’s probably taken a DNA test or two by now. Even a paternity test is not really necessary (a 23andme “48.5% Ashkenazi Jewish” or “38% Southern European” should more or less answer the question). BTW, post-surgery, cross-country Sinatra impregnating Mia Farrow as she’s filming a movie with Woody in New York in March 1987 would be quite a feat.

    Anyway, from the coverage of this Sarah Jeong here, you’d think she’s just been nominated for Vice President. Is she this year’s James Damore? I think she’s crossing over into “THE Sarah Jeong?” territory now.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, another reason I suspect Woody is his father is that if Woody really thought Ronan was Frank’s kid, he would have sued her out of spite for the child support he paid.

    Replies: @WowJustWow

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Anonymous


    I doubt Farrow has any such issues, since he’s probably taken a DNA test or two by now. Even a paternity test is not really necessary (a 23andme “48.5% Ashkenazi Jewish” or “38% Southern European” should more or less answer the question). BTW, post-surgery, cross-country Sinatra impregnating Mia Farrow as she’s filming a movie with Woody in New York in March 1987 would be quite a feat.
     
    True. But then, there's this.

    https://i.imgur.com/Hl5mleS.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy

    , @dcite
    @Anonymous


    TW, post-surgery, cross-country Sinatra impregnating Mia Farrow as she’s filming a movie with Woody in New York in March 1987 would be quite a feat.
     
    Why? They had airplanes way back then. The resemblance to Sinatra is unmistakable. I always knew he wasn't quite a Mia clone but I didn't see Woody there.
  41. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    A creed prior to 1950 which was totally alien and unknown to Koreans.

    Korea is kind of black hole in my knowledge base so I went and looked this up. Wikipedia says about 2% of Korea was Christian in 1945 and now 30% is. So Christianity wasn't totally unknown, but wasn't very known in Korea either.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Wikipedia says about 2% of Korea was Christian in 1945

    That’s likely a serious underestimate. Both the Joseon Dynasty and the Japanese occupation brutally suppressed Christianity in Korea, and many leading members of the Korean liberation movement were Christians. It’s true, though, that the explosion of growth among the masses in Korea happened during the 60’s and 70’s.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Twinkie

    Both the Joseon Dynasty and the Japanese occupation brutally suppressed Christianity in Korea

    Christians were agents of imperialism. And when Christians took over, they brutally went about smashing the native culture. They wiped out European pagan culture.

    Europeans resisted the spread of Islam. So, it was right for non-Christian nations to resist Christianity.

    Of course, today's Christianity is totally cucked and only serve as carrier of PC, Diversity, and Homo agenda.

  42. @Anonymous
    Unmentioned in all of this is the extraordinary east Asian belief in magic - particularly imitative magic - and superstition of all kinds, which seems to be so deeply engrained in the psyche as to be almost genetic in origin. These days the magical thinking is often subliminated and manifests itself in all manner of unexpected ways.

    If you will bear with me.....

    Witness, for example, the extraordinary success and fervor of Christianity in Korea, of all the denominations - even including the Rev. Moon's eccentric brand. A creed prior to 1950 which was totally alien and unknown to Koreans. The inference is that Koreans fanatically adopted the faith - the religion of the American occupiers - more or less in the belief that it would make them, materially at least, 'more American' in the sense of the occupiers trappings of wealth, technology and power, in the way of imitative magic, the effect not the cause.

    Also witness, the apparent speed and totality of junking what was 'traditionally Korean' from wearing apparel to architecture in favor of the outward show of Americanism.
    Here again we see the ancient engrained belief, the cargo cult, if you will, that one acquires the desideratum by imitating the outward show, and thence 'magically' it will flow.

    If modern PC whipped Totem Pole/Economist America has a State Religion - the most zealous acolytes of that religion, according to imitative magic get the goodies - then it is 'Shitting on White Men'.That's the Royal if not Holy road to sanctity - and riches.
    All Ms. Yeong was doing in her good old primeval Tungus shaman way was to out-imitate the standard NYT/Economist party line in the expectation of bumper goodies from the Totem Pole gods.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Twinkie, @Jack D

    east Asian belief in magic

    Well, certainly Asian magicians are well-represented among FISM winners: https://fism.org/championship-contests/fism-winners/fism-winners-2012-2018/

  43. Serious question: does a disproportionate number of third wave feminists experience rape fantasies and is this driving the moral panic about this phantom enemy of “rape culture”?

    The very soft and nice two boyfriends of intersectional type girls I know have both confided in me that their sex lives revolve around some pretty strong rape type roleplay.

    Both also told me that the women have rationalised it as empowering in private.

    Unsurprisingly neither women ever talks about it with me or even hints at it salaciously; but they do love a bit of decrying of rape culture.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Tyrion 2


    The very soft and nice two boyfriends of intersectional type girls I know have both confided in me that their sex lives revolve around some pretty strong rape type roleplay.
     
    Whoah - it doesn't surprise me that this would be true, but it does surprise me that they'd admit it to you. Do they know about your badthinking?

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

    , @Anonymous
    @Tyrion 2

    I once read Vanessa Duries, who was into doing extreme sub stuff while a student in Paris. I still don't know whether it's a fantasy written up in first person or whether it's what really happened (I hope for sanity's sake it isn't fully the latter). Sadly the author died in auto accident in 1993.

  44. You been drinkin’ tonight? It shows.

  45. Anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    A lady who worked in South County Dublin libraries in the 1970s when Ireland was ground zero for borderline theocratic Catholic conservatism told me about people who used to regularly accost librarians with over the top complaints about “filth” and “indecency” in novels. They would frequently have pages tabbed and the offending sections underlined and force the poor librarians to listen to each and every offending passage, word for word. It eventually became clear to the staff that most of these people were in fact unhealthily turned on by the material and complaining about its supposed indecency was an excuse to constantly read and repeat it whilst feeling a false sense of virtue.

    This is still going on. I’m always impressed by the ability of Christians to find the most outrageously perverted subtext in the most innocuous of entertainments.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Have you seen that sketch with that late great British 1970s comedian, Dick Emery, playing the part of an Anglican vicar hearing double entendres in absolutely every phrase he hears? Yes, the scene was based on the proverbial 'vicarage tea party'.

    Hopefully, just hopefully, some kind soul more proficient with technology than I can post a YouTube clip of it.

    Replies: @jim jones, @Anonymous

  46. Anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    Appealing to smart readers with smart journalists is just too expensive so they have to make do.

    Could they ever really do this, or are we looking at the past thru rose-tinted glasses?

    I recall a Hunter Thompson quote:

    “The press is a gang of cruel faggots. Journalism is not a profession or a trade. It is a cheap catch-all for fuckoffs and misfits—a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage.”

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Anon


    Could they ever really do this, or are we looking at the past thru rose-tinted glasses?
     
    Journalists really did used to do research, talk to people, travel, and write book-length monographs on all sorts of subjects. Moldbug's impressive reading list (which is unhelpfully dispersed throughout his gargantuan blog) contains many examples of such.
    , @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Wow!

  47. L Woods says:

    He had me until the last bit. This harpy is exactly on message — there’s certainly no shame about her employment on the part of her patrons. This sort of thing is grown common simply because the culture has decided that female opinion (read: self-absorbed obsession) is worth taking seriously in general.

  48. Sometimes a rape fantasy is just a rape fantasy, even if packed in colorful and pink-haired outrage on Twitter.

    Freud_with_his_doge.jpg

  49. @Luke Lea
    So, the NYT is doomed! To become a weird new kind of tabloid that is. And to think that they define the news cycle! Poor Adolph Ochs if he were alive would be spinning in his grave.

    Replies: @Pericles

    [NYT] a weird new kind of tabloid

    … UFOs, grainy pictures of burly Russians in the woods, swastikas on the dark side of the moon, octomom …

  50. A related thought I had about Sarah Jeong and her fantasy (presumably) of cutting white people: isn’t the risk she might be serious a huge liability for the NYT?

  51. @RoryBellowsLives
    @Reg Cæsar

    I would say so! However, this Jeong character scandal has so many iSteve themes that it may be hard to tell if Steve is more attracted to her or the intersectionality of this entire brouhaha.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    …this Jeong character scandal has so many iSteve themes…

    Precisely so. Anybody complaining about how much Sailer is posting about this just doesn’t get blogging. Not only is this story a perfect storm of ISteve themes, but it’s achieved some main-stream traction – up to and including a presidential tweet. Sailer would be crazy not to milk it for all it’s worth while there’s still time, before it all blows over.

    • Agree: MEH 0910, Stan d Mute
  52. Anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    Which brings me to this Jeong lady and the likes of Sabrina Rubin Eardley, Lena Dunham etc, whose writings demonstrate, inter alia, an almost feral obsession with rape

    In the case of Erderly, I think it was ethnic animus, pure and simple. Now, Coakley the nutjob is a different matter.

    The most demented case is the bed-dragger Emma ‘Fuc* Me in the Butt’ Sulkowicz. And then the video she made. In a sane society, she’d be committed.

    We live in strange times. A million women protesting Trump the pussy grabber by wearing pussy hats or pussy costumes.

    Can you imagine a million guys wearing ball-hats to protest Hillary the ball-buster?

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Anon

    51 [191] > Now, Coakley the nutjob is a different matter


    she ended up where she always belonged.... the loyal housewife of some lower-middle working class white kid

    I blame the high school counselers who convinced her that she had anything to gain by going to University

  53. @Tyrion 2

    Serious question: does a disproportionate number of third wave feminists experience rape fantasies and is this driving the moral panic about this phantom enemy of “rape culture”?
     
    The very soft and nice two boyfriends of intersectional type girls I know have both confided in me that their sex lives revolve around some pretty strong rape type roleplay.

    Both also told me that the women have rationalised it as empowering in private.

    Unsurprisingly neither women ever talks about it with me or even hints at it salaciously; but they do love a bit of decrying of rape culture.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Anonymous

    The very soft and nice two boyfriends of intersectional type girls I know have both confided in me that their sex lives revolve around some pretty strong rape type roleplay.

    Whoah – it doesn’t surprise me that this would be true, but it does surprise me that they’d admit it to you. Do they know about your badthinking?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    @vinteuil

    They have probably worked it out and I like to ask stuff.

  54. Anon[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Steve Sailer


    Wikipedia says about 2% of Korea was Christian in 1945
     
    That’s likely a serious underestimate. Both the Joseon Dynasty and the Japanese occupation brutally suppressed Christianity in Korea, and many leading members of the Korean liberation movement were Christians. It’s true, though, that the explosion of growth among the masses in Korea happened during the 60’s and 70’s.

    Replies: @Anon

    Both the Joseon Dynasty and the Japanese occupation brutally suppressed Christianity in Korea

    Christians were agents of imperialism. And when Christians took over, they brutally went about smashing the native culture. They wiped out European pagan culture.

    Europeans resisted the spread of Islam. So, it was right for non-Christian nations to resist Christianity.

    Of course, today’s Christianity is totally cucked and only serve as carrier of PC, Diversity, and Homo agenda.

  55. @Reg Cæsar
    Eight of Steve's last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?

    Replies: @BEER/ we're all going to die, @RoryBellowsLives, @Anon, @Mitchell Porter, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes, @FPD72, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Mr. Blank

    Shiite. You mean like Year of the Dragon?

    Asian women are the story of the Bravery of Hate.

  56. Anonymous[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Serious question: does a disproportionate number of third wave feminists experience rape fantasies and is this driving the moral panic about this phantom enemy of “rape culture”?
     
    The very soft and nice two boyfriends of intersectional type girls I know have both confided in me that their sex lives revolve around some pretty strong rape type roleplay.

    Both also told me that the women have rationalised it as empowering in private.

    Unsurprisingly neither women ever talks about it with me or even hints at it salaciously; but they do love a bit of decrying of rape culture.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Anonymous

    I once read Vanessa Duries, who was into doing extreme sub stuff while a student in Paris. I still don’t know whether it’s a fantasy written up in first person or whether it’s what really happened (I hope for sanity’s sake it isn’t fully the latter). Sadly the author died in auto accident in 1993.

  57. Irish Paleo‘s comment is very plausible, but I paused at this:

    “one reason for this crap becoming so much more prominent in our culture is, quite simply, the fact that with the media’s profitability in free fall, it’s much harder for the like of the Times and the Post to compete”

    Conventional profitability is no longer an issue for the Left Media (“Main Stream” Media). Of course, they still sell ads and subscriptions to give the appearance of being legitimate businesses. But if you look closely, you will find that these outlets* are actually supported by rich oligarchs.

    Sometimes the ownership is direct such as with Carlos Slim and the NYT or Bezos and the WaPo. Other times it is camouflaged through an anonymous foundation, as with the billionairess Jobs widow and The Atlantic. Still other times the revenue is disguised as investment capital, as when Jeffery Katzenberg dispenses millions of dollars of “venture capital” for new media that he knows perfectly well will never pay for itself. This top-down money meets the bottom-up efforts of the Sarah Jeongs and Julia Carrie Wongs of the world who are grateful for the Narrative-ladling coolie work at $150 a throw.

    In between are the editors and managers whose only real job is to ensure that their backers’ money buys the right kind of “news”. That is the only “profitability” they worry about. They hire mediocrities because that’s what’s out there, and they don’t need anything better for their coolie work.

    If you’ve ever wondered why right wing news sites have to inundate you with advertising while left wing sites can afford clean, spare formatting, look no further than their financing. A few million dollars of oligarch money will buy you a lot of journo-list-ism.

    *In that they are all simply emitting different flavors of the same prearranged narrative, the word “outlet” is unintentionally apt.

    **The Guardian appear to be true believers who promote the Narrative for free … well, for busking money.

    ***Also I don’t think Ronan Farrow is really as bad as Irish says, though Farrow has plenty of time to become corrupt, and he is certainly in the right environment for it.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Almost Missouri

    "The Guardian appear to be true believers who promote the Narrative for free..."

    Nope. You were right the first time:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Media_Group

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Trust_Limited

    , @James Forrestal
    @Almost Missouri


    Sometimes the ownership is direct such as with Carlos Slim and the NYT or Bezos and the WaPo.
     
    The NYT has been controlled by the (((Ochs/ Sulzberger))) family since 1896. Sure, Slim invested quite a few shekels in the Times. Though he later sold off about half:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/365763-mexican-billionaire-carlos-slim-sells-off-half-of-ny-times-shares

    But more importantly, no matter how many Class A (publicly traded) shares Slim (or anyone else) purchases, the Sulzbergers still control all of the Class B (super-voting) shares:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/opinion/nocera-how-punch-protected-the-times.html

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ny-times-shareholders-withhold-vote-chairman-defends-structure

    https://investors.nytco.com/investors/investor-resources/faqs/default.aspx

    Which means that the Sulzbergers get to choose 9 out of the 13 board members. Carlos Slim "controlling" the NYT is a boomer-tier false meme. Who represented the NYT in talking to Trump again?

    As far as WaPo goes, it's interesting to note that a few months after Bezos bought the Post, Amazon was awarded a $600 million contract for cloud computing... from the CIA. They weren't the low bidder. But everyone knows that the CIA only deals in espionage and covert operations overseas, not domestic propaganda, so I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri

    , @Eagle Eye
    @Almost Missouri

    In traditional Britain it was taken as a matter of course that "newspaper barons" maintained loss-making newspapers as "organs" to support their owners' political and business objectives. Lord Beaverbrook is perhaps best known.

    The satirical Private Eye often riffed on this theme by billing itself as the "organ" of "Lord Gnome."

    Why should the logic of the news "business" in 2018 Manhattan be any different?

  58. Irish librarians being accosted reminded me of this (hilarious IMHO) clip (NSFW) from the surreal Father Ted:

  59. @academic gossip
    The AltRabbi said, about another Asian girl brouhaha :

    This is what Jewish subversion would look like without the high verbal ability.
     
    The ramblings of Jeong and her ilk read like a current-year, millenial careerist, poisonously hostile version of Kathy Change (an Asian Bronx Science alumna gone nuts). A stream of free-floating, fungible SJW boilerplate, mixed with a liberal dose of crazy.

    I want to protest the present government and economic system and the cynicism and passivity of the people…as emphatically as I can. But primarily, I want to get publicity in order to draw attention to my proposal for immediate social transformation. To do this I plan to end my own life. The attention of the media is only caught by acts of violence. My moral principles prevent me from doing harm to anyone else or their property, so I must perform this act of violence against myself. . . . It is a waste of energy to get angry and gripe at the government. The government must be replaced with a truly democratic self-government of, for and by the people. Those working in industries essential to maintaining life should democratically take over their workplaces and organize an emergency economy to supply the needs of the people. The rest of the people should meet in their communities to organize a new directly democratic community-based self-government. ....

    "[I] need to do something sensational that will make headline news and people will have to stop and talk about me and the message that I'm trying to put out."
     
    (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Change )

    Speaking of Bronx Science, here is a tragicomic piece of iSteve intersectionality. An Asian-American Chappaquiddick, featuring a family of Asian politicians, immigrant corruption, Asian graduates of NYC exam schools, a protest against White Privilege, and fraternity rituals getting out of hand.

    In December 2013, prospective member Chun Hsien "Michael" Deng died from brain trauma due to suspected [fraternity] hazing ... Deng, 18 was a recent graduate of The Bronx High School of Science.[10] Deng and four other pledges wore 30 lb. backpacks filled with sand while members of the fraternity tackled them during a ritual known as "The Glass Ceiling," which represented Asian American struggle in the United States. Despite Deng becoming immediately unconscious, his fraternity brothers failed to call for emergency help, instead attempting to cover up the incident.[11] ... Deng's parent's had filed a lawsuit against the fraternity, including Meng, who is the younger brother of U.S. representative [and Stuyvesant High School alumna] Grace Meng.[15] When Deng lost consciousness his fraternity brothers called Meng who allegedly told them to conceal any evidence of the fraternity before calling the authorities.[16] Andrew Meng is facing charges of hazing, conspiracy and hindering apprehension.[18]

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Delta_Psi#Hazing_incident

    Grace is the daughter of Jimmy Meng. Like JFK, Jimmy won an election using "ghost voters".

    Google Translate of Jimmy Meng's interview about his vote fraud scandal:

    The Post also refers to Queens District Prosecutor Brown to investigate whether the incident involves [vote] fraud. Meng Guangrui pointed out that he did not know about these so-called "ghost voters", and many of the incidents were unfounded. He did not want to talk more, so as not to be more and more black.
     

    Replies: @Twinkie, @jim jones, @Jack D

    We have self-government already, it is called the free market

  60. @FKA Max


    A lady who worked in South County Dublin libraries in the 1970s when Ireland was ground zero for borderline theocratic Catholic conservatism told me about people who used to regularly accost librarians with over the top complaints about “filth” and “indecency” in novels.
     



    An Irish disease?
    Sat, May 4, 2002

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/an-irish-disease-1.1056148
     
    - https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1868760

    We must go back. Where sexuality is concerned, the current generation of young Irish people is probably the first "normal" one since 1845. Up to that year the Irish generally were a happily sexually active people. With an abundance of cheap food, the population grew and grew, and a small amount of ground produced a large supply of potatoes.

    In 1841, Ireland's population was 8.1 million. In the intervening 120 years to 1961 the population almost halved to 4.2 million. The immediate cause of this catastrophic decline was the Great Famine, which began in 1845. An immediate effect was an end to the sub-division of holdings and diversification from the potato into other crops.

    This wrench in land use had a defining effect on Irish sexuality and the family. An economic imperative dictated sexual restraint as, regardless of family size, just one son would inherit. Others - sons and daughters - emigrated. And some, usually encouraged by a devout mother, entered the Church. The pattern persisted into the late 1960s.

    Sex became taboo. Allied to Victorian prudery and a Catholic Church seemingly fixated on sex as the only sin, sensuality was pushed under in Irish consciousness.

    A celibate elite became the noblest caste. They had unparalleled influence, through their close identification with Irish nationalism, the fact that they were educated when so many were not, and the control they exerted over what there was of an education system and healthcare service.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dan Hayes, @Jack D, @Alec Leamas, @John Derbyshire

    I was reading a contemporary Irish novelist a few years ago and the term “anhedonia” came to mind.

    As a reaction to Ireland hitting its Malthusian limit? Perhaps …

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @Steve Sailer

    Reminds me of a old joke: Lady runs into a police station,crying "Help! I been raped by an Irishman!" The sergeant asks,"How did you know it was an Irishman?"
    "I had to show him what to do!"

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    I was reading a contemporary Irish novelist a few years ago and the term “anhedonia” came to mind.

     

    That was Woody Allen's original name for Annie Hall.

    A magazine article at the time that came out said she was just right for the role as it likened her home town of Los Angeles to the character's Ojibwe Chippewa Falls. But LA was already 180 times as large as CF in her childhood. WTF? ¿Qué pasa?


    LA must have been quite innocent at the time. Or only had one big brewery.
  61. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    I doubt Farrow has any such issues, since he's probably taken a DNA test or two by now. Even a paternity test is not really necessary (a 23andme "48.5% Ashkenazi Jewish" or "38% Southern European" should more or less answer the question). BTW, post-surgery, cross-country Sinatra impregnating Mia Farrow as she's filming a movie with Woody in New York in March 1987 would be quite a feat.

    Anyway, from the coverage of this Sarah Jeong here, you'd think she's just been nominated for Vice President. Is she this year's James Damore? I think she's crossing over into "THE Sarah Jeong?" territory now.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @PiltdownMan, @dcite

    Yeah, another reason I suspect Woody is his father is that if Woody really thought Ronan was Frank’s kid, he would have sued her out of spite for the child support he paid.

    • Replies: @WowJustWow
    @Dave Pinsen

    There's nothing predictable about Woody's neurotic mind. There's certainly enough room in there to accommodate both spite and titillation at the thought of being cucked.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  62. @vinteuil
    @Tyrion 2


    The very soft and nice two boyfriends of intersectional type girls I know have both confided in me that their sex lives revolve around some pretty strong rape type roleplay.
     
    Whoah - it doesn't surprise me that this would be true, but it does surprise me that they'd admit it to you. Do they know about your badthinking?

    Replies: @Tyrion 2

    They have probably worked it out and I like to ask stuff.

  63. I noticed this about Zoe Quinn and her circle of Twitter friends. Last Christmas she suggested that Max Landis (Son of John Landis) was a rapist. It’s a long story about the campaign (Which was picked up instantly by female journalists who follow Quinn on Twitter) but it just consisted over a few hours of Zoe, her insane BPD friends and some people who didn’t like Landis otherwise (He is apparently a spoiled rich kid and a bit of a prick but rapist he certainly isn’t) in the wake of the film he wrote, ‘Bright’, getting a lot of praise and profit. Slowly going from ‘yeah he cheated once on his girlfriend in college’ to ‘he raped several people’ in the course of several hours without them ever showing evidence or people coming forward to claim he raped them or communicating with anyone who claimed to know. It culminated in Quinn saying she had a dossier on a thumb drive and would be releasing the evidence later. (Later hasn’t come 7 months later) It was an amazing story but only the accusations were reported in the press not the story about how one bored woman in Twitter managed in full public view invent a story about a (Mildly) famous person she didn’t like was a serial rapist.

    What I found interesting is one of the participants who claimed to know Landis and said she was victim of a lot of sexual assault and domestic abuse. She didn’t accuse Landis of sexual assault but in their dredging for anything she submitted an old FB conversation where she reached out for consolation after ending her abusive relationship and Landis suggests she think about the type of men she goes with since this keeps happening. She seems to typify (As does Quinn, I don’t know it’s an Irish Catholic thing because Quinn is a serial liar who changed her name several times from her original Dutch ‘Van Valkenburg’) the type described by Irish Paleo.

    At the time I went on her twitter feed and 5 tweets in she is talking about how sexy she thinks Kylo Ren is because he occasionally snaps and goes into an indiscriminate violent rage and tries to dominate and control Rey! And not just a, Poldark is so hot, way. She full on describes a romantic vision of domestic abuser and casts his abuse in a romantic way that makes the victim seem truly special and ultimately desirable! The same woman who asked what it was that attracted the violent men to her and rejected the notion that she might be picking them too! She tweeted this a couple of days before posting the conversation she had with Landis!

    I thought it was an incredible insight into the mentality of such a person. This is her professed fantasy.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Altai

    good lord that woman is bonkers

    Replies: @Altai, @Rosamond Vincy

  64. https://www.unz.com/pfrost/two-paths/

    Whereas a greater sense of self has helped Northwest Europeans to transcend the limitations of kinship and, thus, build larger societies, East Asians have relied on a lesser sense of self to create a web of interdependence that extends beyond close kin. There is a stronger tendency toward holistic attention, emphasis on social (versus personal) happiness, and suspension of self-interest. Conversely, there is a weaker tendency toward self-expression, self-esteem, and self-efficacy (Kitayama et al., 2014). This trajectory may have been particularly favored by rice farming, which requires community planning of water use and community construction of irrigation networks. […]

    In East Asians, pro-social behavior is supported not so much by empathy as by notions of duty toward the community (Frost, 2014b). In a recent study, a sample of Euro-Americans was compared with a sample of East Asians born in China, Korea, or Japan. The participants were genotyped for the dopamine D4 receptor gene (DRD4) and then administered a test on their social orientation. The test showed that the East Asians were less individualistic than the Euro-Americans, but this psychological difference was limited to carriers of DRD4 variants that increase dopamine signalling, i.e., 7- or 2-repeat alleles. Non-carrier East Asians were just as individualistic as non-carrier Euro-Americans (Kitayama et al., 2014). It seems that the East Asian cultural environment can reduce individualism only among individuals who carry these variants.
    This finding is puzzling in one sense. Previous work has shown that the same DRD4 variants are associated with risk seeking and heavy drinking. The authors suggest that these variants make people more willing to imitate their peers, be they drinking buddies or ma and pa: […]

    Chiao and Blizinsky (2010) suggested that certain alleles of the 5-HTTLPR polymorphism of the serotonin transporter gene might have coevolved with cultural collectivism and individualism. They argued that although a short allele of 5-HTTLPR is linked to anxiety and depression,… mitigated by cultural collectivism, which involves more caring social relations and support networks. Cultural collectivism might therefore “buffer genetically susceptible populations from increased prevalence of affective disorders” (p. 529), which in turn might lead to a relatively high prevalence of the short allele of 5-HTTLPR. (Kitayama et al., 2014)

    East Asians are more likely to be, 7/2R allele carriers, and going by the fact that Koreans (including Korean Americans) have a higher rate of alcoholism than any other nationality ( the 7/2R allele is associated with heavy drinking) Koreans have the greatest sensitivity of all. Moreover ‘”KIM found that Koreans are less likely than Americans to turn to their social circle for support and they get less out of doing so; they are more concerned about burdening their friends and straining their relationships”.

    Sarah Jeong just couldn’t stop believing, couldn’t stop absorbing American anti-white culture and taking it to heart. Don’t be too hard on her , “approximately 3.7 out of every 100 suicides in the United States are of Korean-Americans”

  65. @Almost Missouri
    Irish Paleo's comment is very plausible, but I paused at this:

    "one reason for this crap becoming so much more prominent in our culture is, quite simply, the fact that with the media’s profitability in free fall, it’s much harder for the like of the Times and the Post to compete"
     
    Conventional profitability is no longer an issue for the Left Media ("Main Stream" Media). Of course, they still sell ads and subscriptions to give the appearance of being legitimate businesses. But if you look closely, you will find that these outlets* are actually supported by rich oligarchs.

    Sometimes the ownership is direct such as with Carlos Slim and the NYT or Bezos and the WaPo. Other times it is camouflaged through an anonymous foundation, as with the billionairess Jobs widow and The Atlantic. Still other times the revenue is disguised as investment capital, as when Jeffery Katzenberg dispenses millions of dollars of "venture capital" for new media that he knows perfectly well will never pay for itself. This top-down money meets the bottom-up efforts of the Sarah Jeongs and Julia Carrie Wongs of the world who are grateful for the Narrative-ladling coolie work at $150 a throw.

    In between are the editors and managers whose only real job is to ensure that their backers' money buys the right kind of "news". That is the only "profitability" they worry about. They hire mediocrities because that's what's out there, and they don't need anything better for their coolie work.

    If you've ever wondered why right wing news sites have to inundate you with advertising while left wing sites can afford clean, spare formatting, look no further than their financing. A few million dollars of oligarch money will buy you a lot of journo-list-ism.


    *In that they are all simply emitting different flavors of the same prearranged narrative, the word "outlet" is unintentionally apt.

    **The Guardian appear to be true believers who promote the Narrative for free ... well, for busking money.

    ***Also I don't think Ronan Farrow is really as bad as Irish says, though Farrow has plenty of time to become corrupt, and he is certainly in the right environment for it.

    Replies: @Anon, @James Forrestal, @Eagle Eye

    The Guardian appear to be true believers who promote the Narrative for free…”

    Nope. You were right the first time:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Media_Group

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Trust_Limited

  66. @Altai
    I noticed this about Zoe Quinn and her circle of Twitter friends. Last Christmas she suggested that Max Landis (Son of John Landis) was a rapist. It's a long story about the campaign (Which was picked up instantly by female journalists who follow Quinn on Twitter) but it just consisted over a few hours of Zoe, her insane BPD friends and some people who didn't like Landis otherwise (He is apparently a spoiled rich kid and a bit of a prick but rapist he certainly isn't) in the wake of the film he wrote, 'Bright', getting a lot of praise and profit. Slowly going from 'yeah he cheated once on his girlfriend in college' to 'he raped several people' in the course of several hours without them ever showing evidence or people coming forward to claim he raped them or communicating with anyone who claimed to know. It culminated in Quinn saying she had a dossier on a thumb drive and would be releasing the evidence later. (Later hasn't come 7 months later) It was an amazing story but only the accusations were reported in the press not the story about how one bored woman in Twitter managed in full public view invent a story about a (Mildly) famous person she didn't like was a serial rapist.

    What I found interesting is one of the participants who claimed to know Landis and said she was victim of a lot of sexual assault and domestic abuse. She didn't accuse Landis of sexual assault but in their dredging for anything she submitted an old FB conversation where she reached out for consolation after ending her abusive relationship and Landis suggests she think about the type of men she goes with since this keeps happening. She seems to typify (As does Quinn, I don't know it's an Irish Catholic thing because Quinn is a serial liar who changed her name several times from her original Dutch 'Van Valkenburg') the type described by Irish Paleo.

    At the time I went on her twitter feed and 5 tweets in she is talking about how sexy she thinks Kylo Ren is because he occasionally snaps and goes into an indiscriminate violent rage and tries to dominate and control Rey! And not just a, Poldark is so hot, way. She full on describes a romantic vision of domestic abuser and casts his abuse in a romantic way that makes the victim seem truly special and ultimately desirable! The same woman who asked what it was that attracted the violent men to her and rejected the notion that she might be picking them too! She tweeted this a couple of days before posting the conversation she had with Landis!

    https://twitter.com/MollyMcIsaac/status/942827461619859457

    I thought it was an incredible insight into the mentality of such a person. This is her professed fantasy.

    Replies: @Anon

    good lord that woman is bonkers

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Anon

    So too is Zoe Quinn herself. Both of them seem to have quite severe BPD with nobody around that can help them with it.

    https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Zoe_Quinn

    Quinn is the origin of the GamerGate controversy. She basically insinuated herself into the gaming industry in a social way both in real life and virtually like a post-modern Rasputin, often with sex. When she got Reddit and the whole games media to go to bat to cover up a minor twizzy on the internet about her is when GamerGate kicked off and suddenly all the 'games journalists' and SJW devs had painted targets on themselves at the same time.

    I think this is ultimately what you're seeing. Social media seems to be devastating for people with BPD.

    Replies: @Sid, @sabril, @Brutusale

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @Anon


    The most terrifying, nuanced, and incrdible villain in all of Star Wars lore....
    [Serial comma and italicized movie title added.]
     
    Anyone who thinks Kylo Ren is cooler than Darth Vader is unworthy of the proud label "geek."

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  67. @FKA Max


    A lady who worked in South County Dublin libraries in the 1970s when Ireland was ground zero for borderline theocratic Catholic conservatism told me about people who used to regularly accost librarians with over the top complaints about “filth” and “indecency” in novels.
     



    An Irish disease?
    Sat, May 4, 2002

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/an-irish-disease-1.1056148
     
    - https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1868760

    We must go back. Where sexuality is concerned, the current generation of young Irish people is probably the first "normal" one since 1845. Up to that year the Irish generally were a happily sexually active people. With an abundance of cheap food, the population grew and grew, and a small amount of ground produced a large supply of potatoes.

    In 1841, Ireland's population was 8.1 million. In the intervening 120 years to 1961 the population almost halved to 4.2 million. The immediate cause of this catastrophic decline was the Great Famine, which began in 1845. An immediate effect was an end to the sub-division of holdings and diversification from the potato into other crops.

    This wrench in land use had a defining effect on Irish sexuality and the family. An economic imperative dictated sexual restraint as, regardless of family size, just one son would inherit. Others - sons and daughters - emigrated. And some, usually encouraged by a devout mother, entered the Church. The pattern persisted into the late 1960s.

    Sex became taboo. Allied to Victorian prudery and a Catholic Church seemingly fixated on sex as the only sin, sensuality was pushed under in Irish consciousness.

    A celibate elite became the noblest caste. They had unparalleled influence, through their close identification with Irish nationalism, the fact that they were educated when so many were not, and the control they exerted over what there was of an education system and healthcare service.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dan Hayes, @Jack D, @Alec Leamas, @John Derbyshire

    FKA Max:

    For those unaware of the predilections of The Irish Times which form the basis of your comment, regard it cun grano salis.

  68. Anonymous[511] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    A lady who worked in South County Dublin libraries in the 1970s when Ireland was ground zero for borderline theocratic Catholic conservatism told me about people who used to regularly accost librarians with over the top complaints about “filth” and “indecency” in novels. They would frequently have pages tabbed and the offending sections underlined and force the poor librarians to listen to each and every offending passage, word for word. It eventually became clear to the staff that most of these people were in fact unhealthily turned on by the material and complaining about its supposed indecency was an excuse to constantly read and repeat it whilst feeling a false sense of virtue.
     
    This is still going on. I'm always impressed by the ability of Christians to find the most outrageously perverted subtext in the most innocuous of entertainments.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Have you seen that sketch with that late great British 1970s comedian, Dick Emery, playing the part of an Anglican vicar hearing double entendres in absolutely every phrase he hears? Yes, the scene was based on the proverbial ‘vicarage tea party’.

    Hopefully, just hopefully, some kind soul more proficient with technology than I can post a YouTube clip of it.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @Anonymous

    You mean this one (terrible quality):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gk_2TO8uwM

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    The late, great Dick Emery - a massively underrated talent and comic from that 1970s golden age of UK TV comedy.

    To gauge the depth of his comedic talent I heartily recommend his hilarious 1972 spin-off feature film 'Ohh..You Are Awful' in which our hero simulateneously plays the parts of all the lead characters.
    Extremely funny and exceedingly well scripted and acted, but curiously little known, even in the UK.

    Emery's manifold talents were also displayed in the posthumously broadcast BBC miniseries 'Jack of Diamonds'.

  69. @Reg Cæsar
    Eight of Steve's last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?

    Replies: @BEER/ we're all going to die, @RoryBellowsLives, @Anon, @Mitchell Porter, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes, @FPD72, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Mr. Blank

    I’m disturbed by a full third of those posts being about Jeong’s views on some notorious rape hoaxes (and this current post is especially sordid), and just by a lot of the comments. This blog, and its comments, can be a wellspring of insight and alternative views, and I have enjoyed the opportunity to try to figure out what’s up with Sarah Jeong and the New York Times. But I’m now feeling the need to back the hell off and see things through her eyes, or just from some other point of view, if I want to see the truth of the situation.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Mitchell Porter

    I get the impression that Mr. Sailer sees this as a watershed moment.

    The NYTimes actions are so egregious, that it must surely be aware that Sarah Jeong is indefensible. I think that the NYTimes is engaging in a raw display of power, pre-emptively, around the Sarah Jeong affair, afraid that its control over the narrative will erode if it does not do so.

    And accordingly, perhaps Mr. Sailer senses the need to keep all guns blazing.

    Replies: @Anonym, @AndrewR, @Mitchell Porter, @Corvinus

    , @AndrewR
    @Mitchell Porter

    What other POV? Mike Nifong was disbarred for his prosecutorial misconduct. Crystal Magnum is in prison for murder. Sarah Jeong is an evil person. There is no other way to put it. And the NYT has shown itself to be unspeakably evil with its hiring of her, especially after what they did to Razib and that other woman who had thoughtcrimed.

    , @bomag
    @Mitchell Porter


    I’m disturbed by a full third of those posts being about Jeong’s views on some notorious rape hoaxes (and this current post is especially sordid)...
     
    I wouldn't be so critical. It's been cited here that young female sexuality is important because it has a large determinant as to who shows up in the future.
    , @Joe Walker
    @Mitchell Porter

    So are you saying that we should believe that Haven Monahan is real? Or that it is alright for Asians to make racist posts against whites?

    Replies: @Mitchell Porter

  70. @SporadicMyrmidon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Lacking better counterarguments, I'm classing Farrow with the currently rare honest, intelligent and hard-working leftists like Alan Dershowitz and Glenn Greenwald who are willing to pursue the truth where it leads.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PiltdownMan, @Mr. Anon

    Ronan Farrow piled up some impressive credentials early in life. He got his bachelor’s degree at age 15 and completed Yale Law School at 21.

    I give him credit for bailing out of Hillary Clinton’s State Department, which is where he started his career after law school. He could have had a pretty good conventional career in government, law or politics with his name recognition, or in play-it-safe journalism, but he is pretty independent and non-conformist in what he chooses to pursue. He’s definitely not a mediocrity, even if he seems a bit undecided about what he wants to do.

  71. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    I doubt Farrow has any such issues, since he's probably taken a DNA test or two by now. Even a paternity test is not really necessary (a 23andme "48.5% Ashkenazi Jewish" or "38% Southern European" should more or less answer the question). BTW, post-surgery, cross-country Sinatra impregnating Mia Farrow as she's filming a movie with Woody in New York in March 1987 would be quite a feat.

    Anyway, from the coverage of this Sarah Jeong here, you'd think she's just been nominated for Vice President. Is she this year's James Damore? I think she's crossing over into "THE Sarah Jeong?" territory now.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @PiltdownMan, @dcite

    I doubt Farrow has any such issues, since he’s probably taken a DNA test or two by now. Even a paternity test is not really necessary (a 23andme “48.5% Ashkenazi Jewish” or “38% Southern European” should more or less answer the question). BTW, post-surgery, cross-country Sinatra impregnating Mia Farrow as she’s filming a movie with Woody in New York in March 1987 would be quite a feat.

    True. But then, there’s this.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    Frank liked to fuck and women liked Frank fucking them. Three kids with Big Nancy, he got Ava pregnant at least once, he acknowledged at least one illegitimate kid, and several others had abortions. So I’m sort of betting Ronan is his.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Rosamond Vincy
    @PiltdownMan

    He is WAY too good-looking to be Woody's.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  72. @Anon
    @Altai

    good lord that woman is bonkers

    Replies: @Altai, @Rosamond Vincy

    So too is Zoe Quinn herself. Both of them seem to have quite severe BPD with nobody around that can help them with it.

    https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Zoe_Quinn

    Quinn is the origin of the GamerGate controversy. She basically insinuated herself into the gaming industry in a social way both in real life and virtually like a post-modern Rasputin, often with sex. When she got Reddit and the whole games media to go to bat to cover up a minor twizzy on the internet about her is when GamerGate kicked off and suddenly all the ‘games journalists’ and SJW devs had painted targets on themselves at the same time.

    I think this is ultimately what you’re seeing. Social media seems to be devastating for people with BPD.

    • Replies: @Sid
    @Altai

    BPDs are basically sociopaths with more emotional turbulence: they're very charming, manipulative, and callous to the pain they cause, but they're very thin-skinned and are apoplectic in the face of criticism.

    I agree that social media offers them a lot of opportunities to market themselves and exploit people, but it also provides lots of negative feedback. This results in their burning out while also taking down a lot of people with them.

    , @sabril
    @Altai

    I think that in general more attention needs to be paid to Borderline Personality Disorder and its role in a lot of these scandals and fiascos.

    Approximately 1 in 40 women have BPD. The sort of lying, manipulation, and promiscuity you see from people like mattress girl and (apparently) Zoe Quinn are among the signature symptoms of BPD.

    The other piece of the puzzle is gynocentrism. People are automatically deferential and solicitious towards young women. Of course there exist lying manipulative men out there, but it's much harder for them to be taken seriously. If a male student were to carry a mattress around campus to protest some perceived wrong, nobody would take it seriously.

    , @Brutusale
    @Altai

    The power of a female SMV 5 in an industry made of up female SMV 2s and male SMV -1s.

  73. Sounds quite plausible to me. Anyone remember ‘Mattress Girl’?

  74. Ms. Jeong’s behavior can be partly explained by the peculiarities of Korean culture. Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.

    Men who don’t behave as expected are subjected to what Roissy would call “shit tests,” which involve insults, deprecation both subtle and overt, and psychological emasculation. Korean women even go after their sons in this manner, which goes some way toward explaining the volcanic rage that has led a number of young Korean men to go on shooting rampages.

    My bet is that Ms. Jeong has had some intense but dysfunctional relationships with white men that have left her cultural expectations unfulfilled. The problem being that Western men don’t dominate so much as they patronize women, which to Koreans is weird and aggravating.

    Her response has been to hurl insults at white men in order to goad them into a properly wrathful and dominant attitude toward her. This is to be expected from Korean women. The only way to get them to stop is to give in and treat them like a doormat.

    It sounds worse to Westerners than it really is. For the most part it involves ritual submission; one Korean woman I worked with in China proudly described how she washed her husband’s feet every day when he came home from work. I found this puzzling, but she insisted that she really enjoyed serving him in this manner, and I didn’t detect any hint of resentment in her expression, but rather the opposite.

    There is a darker side, however; apparently wife-beating is common among Koreans, but they take that in stride and most agree that it is usually due to wifely misbehavior or rebelliousness.

    So, as academics would say, one should view Ms. Jeong’s outbursts “through the lens” of her native culture and try to sympathize. All she really wants, after all, is for the objects of her affection to treat her the way a proper Korean lady ought to be treated.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Bill P


    Ms. Jeong’s behavior can be partly explained by the peculiarities of Korean culture.
     
    Ugh, no. It can be explained by the peculiarities of the post-modern American culture, in which minorities badmouthing whites garners them brownie points from the Establishment.

    Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.
     
    In your fantasy, maybe. This isn’t the 1950’s. Korean women nowadays have their own jobs and money, and increasingly don’t have children. You have absolutely no clue what South Korea is like today.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @Sid
    @Bill P

    Korean ladies, when they date out of their race, really dig blond Germanic guys too. Look at the picture of Sarah Jeong with the white guy - he's a blond lad.

    The problem is that blond Germanic men tend to be very polite and egalitarian to women. It's not just a modern feminist thing either: the Romans were astonished by how much power and say the Germanic barbarians accorded their women. The Norse and Icelandic are replete with strong, commanding women.

    As such, Korean women are drawn to bright, pretty objects which rarely meet their expectations. Way to be burned.

    , @Yevardian
    @Bill P

    I'm not saying you're talking out of your anus, but you're really going to have to back up that pretty outlandish statement with something tangible.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Twinkie

    , @Jack D
    @Bill P

    I don't think that is what is going on at all in the American raised Sarah. What is going on is that Sarah is both the beneficiary (Harvard Law) and victim of Asian tiger parenting. This drives Asian-American kids to amazing feats of academic performance but also leaves some of them psychologically damaged by the Asian parenting techniques which include things like putting your kids in stress positions as punishment.

    , @White Guy In Japan
    @Bill P

    Personal anecdote: I dated a Japanese woman who clearly had a Daddy complex and wanted to be dominated. Problem was that I really don't enjoy psychological S&M. She would throw out threats and insults and I would just ignore or laugh them off.

    I eventually dumped her and she told me I was weak for leaving. I thought I was stupid and weak for staying. Live and learn.

    , @MBlanc46
    @Bill P

    Interesting hypothesis. I have no basis for assessing it, but if it’s accurate it would explain a lot.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Bill P


    Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.
     
    They hold doors for their men. But the "male dominance" of East Asia is superficial. The Japanese sarariman turns over the sarari check to his wife, who cuts him an allowance. The Chinese woman is indeed oppressed-- by her mother-in-law.

    So what you're seeing in Korea is likely an optical illusion like it is among their neighbors.
  75. @Mitchell Porter
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'm disturbed by a full third of those posts being about Jeong's views on some notorious rape hoaxes (and this current post is especially sordid), and just by a lot of the comments. This blog, and its comments, can be a wellspring of insight and alternative views, and I have enjoyed the opportunity to try to figure out what's up with Sarah Jeong and the New York Times. But I'm now feeling the need to back the hell off and see things through her eyes, or just from some other point of view, if I want to see the truth of the situation.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Joe Walker

    I get the impression that Mr. Sailer sees this as a watershed moment.

    The NYTimes actions are so egregious, that it must surely be aware that Sarah Jeong is indefensible. I think that the NYTimes is engaging in a raw display of power, pre-emptively, around the Sarah Jeong affair, afraid that its control over the narrative will erode if it does not do so.

    And accordingly, perhaps Mr. Sailer senses the need to keep all guns blazing.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anonym
    @PiltdownMan

    I get the impression that Mr. Sailer sees this as a watershed moment.

    I think so too. The NYT is a huge scalp. If he can bring their journalistic rep down to the level of Buzzfeed, he's like a Woodward and Bernstein. (Bringing down the Gray Lady has got to be at least the equal of shaving a couple years off a lame duck presidency.)

    , @AndrewR
    @PiltdownMan

    I can't speak for Sailer either but I think you've nailed it. Any remotely astute political and cultural observer has come to the conclusion you have written out. It's sad that Sailer seldom comes out and states all his premises openly and sincerely, relying mostly on sarcasm and implicitness. He has a weird combination of extreme male-brain (obsession with inane statistical trivia) combined with feminine indirectness.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Mitchell Porter
    @PiltdownMan

    She's a scapegoat for the far more substantial sins of the Times and other such media. The tweets that are being passed around as proof of her dastardly racism are generally absurd. Her serious views on race appear to be just standard anti-racist idealism.

    People are angry at the hypocrisy whereby she is still hired while others are fired? That's not her sin, that's the Times. People are worried she'll become another cog in the media machine of race unrealism and anti-white bias? She hasn't been part of that yet.

    Meanwhile, she's being denounced as a serious racist on Twitter, and here she's getting sexually psychoanalyzed, free of charge and free of evidence. I'll be the one to say it: Sarah Jeong did (almost) nothing wrong.

    , @Corvinus
    @PiltdownMan

    "The NYTimes actions are so egregious, that it must surely be aware that Sarah Jeong is indefensible."

    It certainly is triggering the Alt Right into getting their knickers in a bunch. The simple lesson here is that Jeong is to the NYT as Milo is to the Alt Right--house n------ who are use hate rhetoric to fan the flames of their opponents. It's not as if Jeong's hiring is going to shed any new light on the matter at hand, because the SJW's will claim context and the Alt Right will claim hypocrisy. All in a night's work for the Coalition of the Fringes. She's a hired gun no different than Ann Coulter to say outlandish things.

    As far as the Sailer themes are concerned as noted by Irish Paleo, here are simple truths. Chick lit genres are not "rape fantasies", as it is a patently serious misnomer. Such works are designed exclusively for women to fantasize about being taken by force unexpectedly...with someone they have feelings for. In an idealized “pretend scenario", men and women experience the rawest sex in no way intruded by any viscerally felt sense of peril. It's a controlled situation, it's consensual, and it's agreed-to aggression. Actual rape is not a fantasy, it's a violent act by cowardly men. As far as the fugly female journalists attempting to "recast the social order to make themselves rank higher in the hotness hierarchy", that is manosphere claptrap.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

  76. @Bill P
    Ms. Jeong's behavior can be partly explained by the peculiarities of Korean culture. Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.

    Men who don't behave as expected are subjected to what Roissy would call "shit tests," which involve insults, deprecation both subtle and overt, and psychological emasculation. Korean women even go after their sons in this manner, which goes some way toward explaining the volcanic rage that has led a number of young Korean men to go on shooting rampages.

    My bet is that Ms. Jeong has had some intense but dysfunctional relationships with white men that have left her cultural expectations unfulfilled. The problem being that Western men don't dominate so much as they patronize women, which to Koreans is weird and aggravating.

    Her response has been to hurl insults at white men in order to goad them into a properly wrathful and dominant attitude toward her. This is to be expected from Korean women. The only way to get them to stop is to give in and treat them like a doormat.

    It sounds worse to Westerners than it really is. For the most part it involves ritual submission; one Korean woman I worked with in China proudly described how she washed her husband's feet every day when he came home from work. I found this puzzling, but she insisted that she really enjoyed serving him in this manner, and I didn't detect any hint of resentment in her expression, but rather the opposite.

    There is a darker side, however; apparently wife-beating is common among Koreans, but they take that in stride and most agree that it is usually due to wifely misbehavior or rebelliousness.

    So, as academics would say, one should view Ms. Jeong's outbursts "through the lens" of her native culture and try to sympathize. All she really wants, after all, is for the objects of her affection to treat her the way a proper Korean lady ought to be treated.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Sid, @Yevardian, @Jack D, @White Guy In Japan, @MBlanc46, @Reg Cæsar

    Ms. Jeong’s behavior can be partly explained by the peculiarities of Korean culture.

    Ugh, no. It can be explained by the peculiarities of the post-modern American culture, in which minorities badmouthing whites garners them brownie points from the Establishment.

    Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.

    In your fantasy, maybe. This isn’t the 1950’s. Korean women nowadays have their own jobs and money, and increasingly don’t have children. You have absolutely no clue what South Korea is like today.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Twinkie


    You have absolutely no clue what South Korea is like today.
     
    Please tell me SK looks like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3H-4crGD6k

    I want to believe!

    Replies: @jim jones

  77. test, i can’t see comments, is it unz or me?

  78. @Altai
    @Anon

    So too is Zoe Quinn herself. Both of them seem to have quite severe BPD with nobody around that can help them with it.

    https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Zoe_Quinn

    Quinn is the origin of the GamerGate controversy. She basically insinuated herself into the gaming industry in a social way both in real life and virtually like a post-modern Rasputin, often with sex. When she got Reddit and the whole games media to go to bat to cover up a minor twizzy on the internet about her is when GamerGate kicked off and suddenly all the 'games journalists' and SJW devs had painted targets on themselves at the same time.

    I think this is ultimately what you're seeing. Social media seems to be devastating for people with BPD.

    Replies: @Sid, @sabril, @Brutusale

    BPDs are basically sociopaths with more emotional turbulence: they’re very charming, manipulative, and callous to the pain they cause, but they’re very thin-skinned and are apoplectic in the face of criticism.

    I agree that social media offers them a lot of opportunities to market themselves and exploit people, but it also provides lots of negative feedback. This results in their burning out while also taking down a lot of people with them.

  79. I’m sure Albertosaurus has more to report than me here, but:

    Yeah, a lot of feminists want to be dominated in bed. (You can confirm this yourself with an OKCupid account and some selective question answering.) Indeed, the whole yes-means-yes paradigm of exhaustively asking for permission for every advance somewhat resembles the negotiations the dominant and submissive partners frequently do before the ‘scene’. Consent and limits must be explicitly discussed before proceeding. It’s appealing to nerds who have trouble reading body language (and I suspect a lot of feminists are somewhere on the autism spectrum as well since they obviously have trouble adjusting to normal social roles; higher T in a woman would fit this as well).

    I think the whole BDSM framework lets them feel they’re doing something transgressive rather than accepting normal female roles. For whatever reason, predominantly dominant women in bed are rare (just ask a male submissive), and high testosterone in a woman mostly seems to produce an increase in the violence of the fantasy rather than switching the roles.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    @SFG

    Ah, Albertosaurus. How long has it been since he lasted posted here?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    , @Anonymous
    @SFG

    The BDSM-loving 'feminist' is a cliche. This is where 'kink-shaming' came from: 'serious' (i.e. lesbian) feminists taking their sisters to task for being submissive to men.

  80. @Bill P
    Ms. Jeong's behavior can be partly explained by the peculiarities of Korean culture. Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.

    Men who don't behave as expected are subjected to what Roissy would call "shit tests," which involve insults, deprecation both subtle and overt, and psychological emasculation. Korean women even go after their sons in this manner, which goes some way toward explaining the volcanic rage that has led a number of young Korean men to go on shooting rampages.

    My bet is that Ms. Jeong has had some intense but dysfunctional relationships with white men that have left her cultural expectations unfulfilled. The problem being that Western men don't dominate so much as they patronize women, which to Koreans is weird and aggravating.

    Her response has been to hurl insults at white men in order to goad them into a properly wrathful and dominant attitude toward her. This is to be expected from Korean women. The only way to get them to stop is to give in and treat them like a doormat.

    It sounds worse to Westerners than it really is. For the most part it involves ritual submission; one Korean woman I worked with in China proudly described how she washed her husband's feet every day when he came home from work. I found this puzzling, but she insisted that she really enjoyed serving him in this manner, and I didn't detect any hint of resentment in her expression, but rather the opposite.

    There is a darker side, however; apparently wife-beating is common among Koreans, but they take that in stride and most agree that it is usually due to wifely misbehavior or rebelliousness.

    So, as academics would say, one should view Ms. Jeong's outbursts "through the lens" of her native culture and try to sympathize. All she really wants, after all, is for the objects of her affection to treat her the way a proper Korean lady ought to be treated.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Sid, @Yevardian, @Jack D, @White Guy In Japan, @MBlanc46, @Reg Cæsar

    Korean ladies, when they date out of their race, really dig blond Germanic guys too. Look at the picture of Sarah Jeong with the white guy – he’s a blond lad.

    The problem is that blond Germanic men tend to be very polite and egalitarian to women. It’s not just a modern feminist thing either: the Romans were astonished by how much power and say the Germanic barbarians accorded their women. The Norse and Icelandic are replete with strong, commanding women.

    As such, Korean women are drawn to bright, pretty objects which rarely meet their expectations. Way to be burned.

  81. @Bill P
    Ms. Jeong's behavior can be partly explained by the peculiarities of Korean culture. Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.

    Men who don't behave as expected are subjected to what Roissy would call "shit tests," which involve insults, deprecation both subtle and overt, and psychological emasculation. Korean women even go after their sons in this manner, which goes some way toward explaining the volcanic rage that has led a number of young Korean men to go on shooting rampages.

    My bet is that Ms. Jeong has had some intense but dysfunctional relationships with white men that have left her cultural expectations unfulfilled. The problem being that Western men don't dominate so much as they patronize women, which to Koreans is weird and aggravating.

    Her response has been to hurl insults at white men in order to goad them into a properly wrathful and dominant attitude toward her. This is to be expected from Korean women. The only way to get them to stop is to give in and treat them like a doormat.

    It sounds worse to Westerners than it really is. For the most part it involves ritual submission; one Korean woman I worked with in China proudly described how she washed her husband's feet every day when he came home from work. I found this puzzling, but she insisted that she really enjoyed serving him in this manner, and I didn't detect any hint of resentment in her expression, but rather the opposite.

    There is a darker side, however; apparently wife-beating is common among Koreans, but they take that in stride and most agree that it is usually due to wifely misbehavior or rebelliousness.

    So, as academics would say, one should view Ms. Jeong's outbursts "through the lens" of her native culture and try to sympathize. All she really wants, after all, is for the objects of her affection to treat her the way a proper Korean lady ought to be treated.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Sid, @Yevardian, @Jack D, @White Guy In Japan, @MBlanc46, @Reg Cæsar

    I’m not saying you’re talking out of your anus, but you’re really going to have to back up that pretty outlandish statement with something tangible.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Yevardian

    Like what? That Korean immigrants to the US have the highest rate of domestic violence among all East Asians? Or the fact that Korean women are more often homicide victims than men? Maybe that in Korea one can beat women on the street with impunity and general apathy?

    Or how about the fact that Korea clusters with Islamic countries in global gender equality indices?

    You know, it isn't really my business what goes on over there, but when Korean gender pathologies become my problem because of people like Sarah Jeong, I'll call it as it is.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Twinkie
    @Yevardian

    He’s making things up (in fact, inserting things). See my reply with references to actual data: https://www.unz.com/isteve/taking-sarah-jeongs-rape-fantasy-conspiracy-theories-seriously/#comment-2450298

  82. @Dave Pinsen
    I wouldn’t put Farrow in the mediocrity column. He’s gotten some big #MeToo scoops/scalps.

    Also, I don’t think journalism ever offered average pay as high as the big law firms, but a handful of well-placed journos do get big book/movie deals.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @SporadicMyrmidon, @Sapwood, @Nicholas Stix

    Ronan Farrow also graduated from Yale Law at the unusually young age of 21. If he wanted a Big Law job, he could have easily obtained one.

    Of course he didn’t go that route because he has family wealth and Big Law is not a good life. Why slave away at Sull Crom for 80 hours a week if you don’t need the money?

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Sapwood


    Of course he didn’t go that route because he has family wealth and Big Law is not a good life. Why slave away at Sull Crom for 80 hours a week if you don’t need the money?

     

    Hey, that sounds like fun.

    https://youtu.be/rV4wkXyplAk
  83. @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Have you seen that sketch with that late great British 1970s comedian, Dick Emery, playing the part of an Anglican vicar hearing double entendres in absolutely every phrase he hears? Yes, the scene was based on the proverbial 'vicarage tea party'.

    Hopefully, just hopefully, some kind soul more proficient with technology than I can post a YouTube clip of it.

    Replies: @jim jones, @Anonymous

    You mean this one (terrible quality):

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @jim jones

    Thank you.

  84. @Steve Sailer
    @FKA Max

    I was reading a contemporary Irish novelist a few years ago and the term "anhedonia" came to mind.

    As a reaction to Ireland hitting its Malthusian limit? Perhaps ...

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Reg Cæsar

    Reminds me of a old joke: Lady runs into a police station,crying “Help! I been raped by an Irishman!” The sergeant asks,”How did you know it was an Irishman?”
    “I had to show him what to do!”

  85. @Cagey Beast

    They would frequently have pages tabbed and the offending sections underlined and force the poor librarians to listen to each and every offending passage, word for word. It eventually became clear to the staff that most of these people were in fact unhealthily turned on by the material and complaining about its supposed indecency was an excuse to constantly read and repeat it whilst feeling a false sense of virtue.
     
    Precisely this sort of thing fills up hours of Alt-Right podcasts. Unfortunately their source material comes from the web, so the stuff they detail is a thousand times worse than anything you'd find in a Dublin library 50yrs ago.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Precisely this sort of thing fills up hours of Alt-Right podcasts. Unfortunately their source material comes from the web, so the stuff they detail is a thousand times worse than anything you’d find in a Dublin library 50yrs ago.

    The entire Manosphere is nothing but the mirror image of feminism, just as prudery and prostitution seem to create one another. Both, all, ought to be avoided.

  86. @Anon

    Appealing to smart readers with smart journalists is just too expensive so they have to make do.
     
    Could they ever really do this, or are we looking at the past thru rose-tinted glasses?

    I recall a Hunter Thompson quote:

    “The press is a gang of cruel faggots. Journalism is not a profession or a trade. It is a cheap catch-all for fuckoffs and misfits—a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage.”

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous

    Could they ever really do this, or are we looking at the past thru rose-tinted glasses?

    Journalists really did used to do research, talk to people, travel, and write book-length monographs on all sorts of subjects. Moldbug’s impressive reading list (which is unhelpfully dispersed throughout his gargantuan blog) contains many examples of such.

  87. @Altai
    @Anon

    So too is Zoe Quinn herself. Both of them seem to have quite severe BPD with nobody around that can help them with it.

    https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Zoe_Quinn

    Quinn is the origin of the GamerGate controversy. She basically insinuated herself into the gaming industry in a social way both in real life and virtually like a post-modern Rasputin, often with sex. When she got Reddit and the whole games media to go to bat to cover up a minor twizzy on the internet about her is when GamerGate kicked off and suddenly all the 'games journalists' and SJW devs had painted targets on themselves at the same time.

    I think this is ultimately what you're seeing. Social media seems to be devastating for people with BPD.

    Replies: @Sid, @sabril, @Brutusale

    I think that in general more attention needs to be paid to Borderline Personality Disorder and its role in a lot of these scandals and fiascos.

    Approximately 1 in 40 women have BPD. The sort of lying, manipulation, and promiscuity you see from people like mattress girl and (apparently) Zoe Quinn are among the signature symptoms of BPD.

    The other piece of the puzzle is gynocentrism. People are automatically deferential and solicitious towards young women. Of course there exist lying manipulative men out there, but it’s much harder for them to be taken seriously. If a male student were to carry a mattress around campus to protest some perceived wrong, nobody would take it seriously.

  88. @JA
    Ronan Farrow is as good looking as Frank Sinatra.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Yeah, Frank didn’t exactly get by on his looks.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Desiderius

    Compared to Woody Allen, Sinatra is Michaelangelo's David. Maybe Woody Allen looked more like the real David though.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    , @WowJustWow
    @Desiderius

    Mia wasn't the prettiest starlet in Hollywood, but her genetic contributions filled out the weak areas of Frank's bone structure and sanded down all the wonky features. It's a very effective combination. If they'd had a daughter, she wouldn't have been so lucky.

    , @Prester John
    @Desiderius

    I knew one of Goombah Frank's security guards , a retired NYPD officer whose job it was to make sure that Frank wasn't wandering thru hotel hallways naked--as he was wont to do towards the end of his life. He told me that even in his 80s and thoroughly demented, Sinatra was still "hung like a horse". Hollywood is a small town and word gets around, so no doubt this fact enhanced his reputation as a lady's man and swordsman extraordinaire.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  89. @PiltdownMan
    @Mitchell Porter

    I get the impression that Mr. Sailer sees this as a watershed moment.

    The NYTimes actions are so egregious, that it must surely be aware that Sarah Jeong is indefensible. I think that the NYTimes is engaging in a raw display of power, pre-emptively, around the Sarah Jeong affair, afraid that its control over the narrative will erode if it does not do so.

    And accordingly, perhaps Mr. Sailer senses the need to keep all guns blazing.

    Replies: @Anonym, @AndrewR, @Mitchell Porter, @Corvinus

    I get the impression that Mr. Sailer sees this as a watershed moment.

    I think so too. The NYT is a huge scalp. If he can bring their journalistic rep down to the level of Buzzfeed, he’s like a Woodward and Bernstein. (Bringing down the Gray Lady has got to be at least the equal of shaving a couple years off a lame duck presidency.)

  90. @Desiderius
    @JA

    Yeah, Frank didn’t exactly get by on his looks.

    Replies: @Anonym, @WowJustWow, @Prester John

    Compared to Woody Allen, Sinatra is Michaelangelo’s David. Maybe Woody Allen looked more like the real David though.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Anonym

    Oh hell no.

    "For he was a young man, ruddy, and of a comely countenance."

    Also an outdoor kid used to farm labor, good with a slingshot, and destined to become an effective soldier and leader.

    Allen was presumably once young. That and religion are about all they have in common, and David would barely recognize the intellectualized version Allen inherited (and pretty much rejected, except as food for satire).

  91. “We need to have a conversation about” … Jeet Heer. He reposted that cartoon of Sarah Jeong and tweeted:

    She’s an Asian who lives is a culture which publishes cartoons like this. Living in that situation might make someone a mite critical of white people.

    Apparently, in Jeet Heer’s copy of the social contract, we’re supposed to simply remain silent as the coalition of the ascendant settle into power. Any calls for reciprocity are racist. No deal, Jeet.

  92. @Mitchell Porter
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'm disturbed by a full third of those posts being about Jeong's views on some notorious rape hoaxes (and this current post is especially sordid), and just by a lot of the comments. This blog, and its comments, can be a wellspring of insight and alternative views, and I have enjoyed the opportunity to try to figure out what's up with Sarah Jeong and the New York Times. But I'm now feeling the need to back the hell off and see things through her eyes, or just from some other point of view, if I want to see the truth of the situation.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Joe Walker

    What other POV? Mike Nifong was disbarred for his prosecutorial misconduct. Crystal Magnum is in prison for murder. Sarah Jeong is an evil person. There is no other way to put it. And the NYT has shown itself to be unspeakably evil with its hiring of her, especially after what they did to Razib and that other woman who had thoughtcrimed.

  93. The much larger issue underlying Sarah Jeong’s genocidal tweets towards White Males:

    Why should young Working Class Native Born American Males be forced to compete with young South Korean Legal Immigrant Males and young US born Korean “American” Males…..for the scarce Living and Breeding Space of America?…Are there any reasons why they should be in favor of this?

  94. @Anonymous
    Hitchcock said while making "The Birds," apparently only half-facetiously, that he subscribed to the dramatic-efficiency advice of Victorien Sardou: "Torture the women" (i.e. 51-plus percent of movie audiences). And I, for one, believe the old fat bastard knew whereof he spake.

    Is it not major, catastrophic, DEFCON 1 enstupidation that we already waste *this* much time debating how policy/consumer-capitalism should more slavishly cater to women's whims and psychological insecurities, which yet never seems to be enough? Also, give it a rest with pseudo-insights on women's "rape fantasies" unless you're going to ponder that notorious male fetish for 60-hour-work-week, penny-pinching, subsisting-on-Ramen lifestyle, you know, "wealth fantasies." If women can be said to dream about being raped then it's with equivalent seriousness to their dreams of dabbling in the career of a high-class call girl. Maybe you saw that really gritty Julia Roberts movie about it.

    Replies: @Karl, @Hockamaw, @Jack D, @Brady

    24 [197] > that we already waste *this* much time debating how policy/consumer-capitalism

    well, how much ad revenue has RonUnz been able to book with his riveting articles about goy-blood-in-matzah?

    Media is show biz. And before it is anything else, it is a business.

  95. go read/view all the “inside view” of asian brothel life journalism/youtubes .

    Almost always written by Anglo women

  96. @PiltdownMan
    @Mitchell Porter

    I get the impression that Mr. Sailer sees this as a watershed moment.

    The NYTimes actions are so egregious, that it must surely be aware that Sarah Jeong is indefensible. I think that the NYTimes is engaging in a raw display of power, pre-emptively, around the Sarah Jeong affair, afraid that its control over the narrative will erode if it does not do so.

    And accordingly, perhaps Mr. Sailer senses the need to keep all guns blazing.

    Replies: @Anonym, @AndrewR, @Mitchell Porter, @Corvinus

    I can’t speak for Sailer either but I think you’ve nailed it. Any remotely astute political and cultural observer has come to the conclusion you have written out. It’s sad that Sailer seldom comes out and states all his premises openly and sincerely, relying mostly on sarcasm and implicitness. He has a weird combination of extreme male-brain (obsession with inane statistical trivia) combined with feminine indirectness.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    He has a weird combination of extreme male-brain... combined with feminine indirectness.
     
    How Oriental of him.
  97. “quite simply, the fact that with the media’s profitability in free fall, ”

    I like the economic analysis. The Times ended up with a Harvard Gender Law graduate possibly because that is the least well paid legal specialization.

    This is an interesting article in the Guardian about an actually talented female writer who explains how at a very young age she decided to sleep her way to the top.

    ‘I remember thinking his waning vitality could be used to my advantage’
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/aug/04/ottessa-moshfegh-student-approached-male-writer-granta

    “I’ve always wanted to write the story because it was such a weird thing to be doing when I was 17, and it kind of impressed me when I looked back on it, that I had so much gall.”

    Interesting to me that a woman of letters with some claim to Jewishness had ‘the gall’ not the chutzpah. According to Ms Internet both words imply audacity but gall implies imprudence while chutzpah implies shameless. Is there a subtle difference between British gall vs Ashkenazi chutzpah? Or does she mean she was too young and naive for her gall to develop into chutzpah? Or being Persian does she just avoid Ashkenazi ethnic signaling. Or something else?

    Moshfegh is brilliant at self-marketing, she knows intuitively the female victim space is full and the supply demand mismatch is on the side of fem-fatal. I am positive she has been victimized in one way or another in her action packed 37 years, but why waste valuable time writing about stuff that at best might get you a middling pay job on the Times editorial board when you can spend your time writing serious books or for Conde Nast.

    Ottessa Moshfegh: ‘I wanted to tell a story in which I wasn’t a victim’
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/aug/04/ottessa-moshfegh-interview-granta-short-story

    Moshfegh has an Iranian Jewish father and Croatian mother. This raised a question in my mind about NY Times editorial board diversity. There isn’t any Jewish diversity at the Times. Friedman, David Brooks, Bari Weiss, why no Middle Eastern Jews? Or Persian Jews like Moshfegh? Moshfegh might have something to say about the most important topic this minute, Iran, but either no one is asking, or she’s not telling.

    Pro tip for aspiring writers: If am searching the net correctly, Moshfegh does not seem to use or need social media. I don’t see any Tweets and her Face Book page is not viewable by people without a facebook profile like me. She apparently does not get woman of letters career advice from tech journals or the NY Times.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @George

    Sounds like the creepy old male writer was Philip Roth. The dates and ages match up, not to mention character. The real Roth's wife had divorced him rather than died, as in Moshfegh's description, but she may have changed that detail to something functionally similar to disguise Roth a little more. Roth's ex's memoir about leaving Roth was titled Leaving the Doll House, and Moshdegh described how beautifully decorated Roth's wife had left his apartment.

    "Rupert Dicks" scans the same as Philip Roth.

    I won't comment on the Anglo-for-Jewish substitution.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @George

    Maybe 90% of American Jews are Ashkenazi. Non-Ashkenazi Jews don't seem to have the same verbal talents or interests as Ashkenazi Jews for the most part although Moshfegh is a rare exception. Maybe if the NYT had a roster of 100 columnists they'd have a Sephardic Jew among them but they don't have that many.

    Chutzpah is a Yiddish word (via Hebrew) and maybe Moshfegh is not inclined to pepper her writing with Yiddish which means nothing to her. Personally as an actual Yiddish speaker I find it annoying when American Jews who know 10 words of Yiddish pepper their speech with it and half the time use the words incorrectly or pronounce them wrong anyway. But maybe I shouldn't kvetch so much. (Kvetch btw means squeeze and specifically the groan you make when you bear down on your constipated bowels).

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  98. @Reg Cæsar
    Eight of Steve's last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?

    Replies: @BEER/ we're all going to die, @RoryBellowsLives, @Anon, @Mitchell Porter, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes, @FPD72, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Mr. Blank

    If you can’t see how big of a deal it is that the NYT hired this girl and has, along with virtually all left-wing and some “right-wing” media, continued to defend her hiring, you clearly have an enormous amount of learning to do about the basics of American politics and culture.

  99. @PiltdownMan
    @Mitchell Porter

    I get the impression that Mr. Sailer sees this as a watershed moment.

    The NYTimes actions are so egregious, that it must surely be aware that Sarah Jeong is indefensible. I think that the NYTimes is engaging in a raw display of power, pre-emptively, around the Sarah Jeong affair, afraid that its control over the narrative will erode if it does not do so.

    And accordingly, perhaps Mr. Sailer senses the need to keep all guns blazing.

    Replies: @Anonym, @AndrewR, @Mitchell Porter, @Corvinus

    She’s a scapegoat for the far more substantial sins of the Times and other such media. The tweets that are being passed around as proof of her dastardly racism are generally absurd. Her serious views on race appear to be just standard anti-racist idealism.

    People are angry at the hypocrisy whereby she is still hired while others are fired? That’s not her sin, that’s the Times. People are worried she’ll become another cog in the media machine of race unrealism and anti-white bias? She hasn’t been part of that yet.

    Meanwhile, she’s being denounced as a serious racist on Twitter, and here she’s getting sexually psychoanalyzed, free of charge and free of evidence. I’ll be the one to say it: Sarah Jeong did (almost) nothing wrong.

  100. In Neal Stephenson’s novel Cryptonomicon, the academic-proto-SJW soon-to-be-ex-girlfriend of the main modern day character (the novel has two timelines, one during WW2 and the other in the late 1990s) is revealed to have been a devotee of bodice-ripper romance novels. There’s also a male investment fund titan who is a closet masochist.

    (Stephenson is one of those writers who, like Steven Pinker, writes a bunch of very politically incorrect stuff but seem to suffer little to no public denigration from it. The aforementioned Cryptonomicon also looks semi-favorably on people who go to church, and is brutally contemptuous of Japanese culture leading up to WW2. The novel Reamde looks very favorably on midwestern American guns-and-God culture, and has a black British Muslim terrorist as the baddie. The heroes of Anathem are basically the ultimate science geeks, locked away in monastic isolation to do nothing but think, and there are disparaging comments about anti-science ethnic groups. How does he stay ahead of the Inquisition?)

  101. @Steve Sailer
    @FKA Max

    I was reading a contemporary Irish novelist a few years ago and the term "anhedonia" came to mind.

    As a reaction to Ireland hitting its Malthusian limit? Perhaps ...

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @Reg Cæsar

    I was reading a contemporary Irish novelist a few years ago and the term “anhedonia” came to mind.

    That was Woody Allen’s original name for Annie Hall.

    A magazine article at the time that came out said she was just right for the role as it likened her home town of Los Angeles to the character’s Ojibwe Chippewa Falls. But LA was already 180 times as large as CF in her childhood. WTF? ¿Qué pasa?

    LA must have been quite innocent at the time. Or only had one big brewery.

  102. looks like jeong may have received a timeout from twitter:

    wish she had not received one…the worse, the better

  103. the fact that with the media’s profitability in free fall, it’s much harder for the like of the Times and the Post to compete for graduate talent with law and accounting firms, Wall Street, Silicon Valley etc, meaning that the typical younger journalist like Ezra Klein or Ronan (née Satchel) Farrow is a resentful mediocrity who couldn’t hack it in a more lucrative field

    I think the opposite is true. Back in my day, it was pretty much unheard of for someone to pay for 3 years of Harvard Law School and then take a journalism job unrelated to the law. Even now what Sarah did is strange – half of all law school grads can’t get jobs as lawyers but these folks are usually from bottom end law schools. Journalism salaries were never competitive with Wall Street or Big Law.

    The flip side of the collapse in media is that the few remaining outlets are even more prestigious in elite circles – at this point Sarah is the envy of her law school classmates who are chained to a desk writing briefs or contracts 70 hrs./ week while she is a glamourous NY Times columnist. However, she has a 1 in a million job – most journalists will never sit on the NY Times editorial board even after a lifetime.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    Was there Affirmative Action "back in your day"? Do you think any grad school is as rigorous as they were back in your day?

    , @bomag
    @Jack D


    I think the opposite is true. Back in my day, it was pretty much unheard of for someone to pay for 3 years of Harvard Law School and then take a journalism job unrelated to the law.
     
    True, but I've been told that Watergate was a turning point. Before that, journalism was largely a blue collar job. After Watergate, with the "power of the press" seeming to take down a president, journalism became a way to "change the world", etc., and it started to attract more of the politically ambitious and those looking for a cool job.
    , @The Practical Conservative
    @Jack D

    Harvard law’s alumni database doesn’t list her as a graduate and Sarah Jeong’s never said she graduated, merely attended. “Trained as a lawyer” is the most recent spin in her online bios. It's not likely she did the full three years, based on what little evidence of her attendance is out there.

    Replies: @Jack D

  104. @FKA Max


    A lady who worked in South County Dublin libraries in the 1970s when Ireland was ground zero for borderline theocratic Catholic conservatism told me about people who used to regularly accost librarians with over the top complaints about “filth” and “indecency” in novels.
     



    An Irish disease?
    Sat, May 4, 2002

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/an-irish-disease-1.1056148
     
    - https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1868760

    We must go back. Where sexuality is concerned, the current generation of young Irish people is probably the first "normal" one since 1845. Up to that year the Irish generally were a happily sexually active people. With an abundance of cheap food, the population grew and grew, and a small amount of ground produced a large supply of potatoes.

    In 1841, Ireland's population was 8.1 million. In the intervening 120 years to 1961 the population almost halved to 4.2 million. The immediate cause of this catastrophic decline was the Great Famine, which began in 1845. An immediate effect was an end to the sub-division of holdings and diversification from the potato into other crops.

    This wrench in land use had a defining effect on Irish sexuality and the family. An economic imperative dictated sexual restraint as, regardless of family size, just one son would inherit. Others - sons and daughters - emigrated. And some, usually encouraged by a devout mother, entered the Church. The pattern persisted into the late 1960s.

    Sex became taboo. Allied to Victorian prudery and a Catholic Church seemingly fixated on sex as the only sin, sensuality was pushed under in Irish consciousness.

    A celibate elite became the noblest caste. They had unparalleled influence, through their close identification with Irish nationalism, the fact that they were educated when so many were not, and the control they exerted over what there was of an education system and healthcare service.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dan Hayes, @Jack D, @Alec Leamas, @John Derbyshire

    I don’t believe this. There have been societies in history where people did not talk publicly about sex and sex was mostly confined to marriage, but the one constant in human history is that people have sex. If there was ever a society where that was not true (e.g. the Shakers), that society became extinct for obvious reasons.

  105. There’s also the issue of Jeung’s lesbianism. She’s extremely angry that lots of attractive Asian women are coupling with men, especially white men. That undoubtedly drives her to heights of anger and outrage, all based on jealousy driving her racial hatred.

  106. @Altai
    @Anon

    So too is Zoe Quinn herself. Both of them seem to have quite severe BPD with nobody around that can help them with it.

    https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Zoe_Quinn

    Quinn is the origin of the GamerGate controversy. She basically insinuated herself into the gaming industry in a social way both in real life and virtually like a post-modern Rasputin, often with sex. When she got Reddit and the whole games media to go to bat to cover up a minor twizzy on the internet about her is when GamerGate kicked off and suddenly all the 'games journalists' and SJW devs had painted targets on themselves at the same time.

    I think this is ultimately what you're seeing. Social media seems to be devastating for people with BPD.

    Replies: @Sid, @sabril, @Brutusale

    The power of a female SMV 5 in an industry made of up female SMV 2s and male SMV -1s.

  107. Anonymous[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Anon

    Have you seen that sketch with that late great British 1970s comedian, Dick Emery, playing the part of an Anglican vicar hearing double entendres in absolutely every phrase he hears? Yes, the scene was based on the proverbial 'vicarage tea party'.

    Hopefully, just hopefully, some kind soul more proficient with technology than I can post a YouTube clip of it.

    Replies: @jim jones, @Anonymous

    The late, great Dick Emery – a massively underrated talent and comic from that 1970s golden age of UK TV comedy.

    To gauge the depth of his comedic talent I heartily recommend his hilarious 1972 spin-off feature film ‘Ohh..You Are Awful’ in which our hero simulateneously plays the parts of all the lead characters.
    Extremely funny and exceedingly well scripted and acted, but curiously little known, even in the UK.

    Emery’s manifold talents were also displayed in the posthumously broadcast BBC miniseries ‘Jack of Diamonds’.

  108. @Jack D

    the fact that with the media’s profitability in free fall, it’s much harder for the like of the Times and the Post to compete for graduate talent with law and accounting firms, Wall Street, Silicon Valley etc, meaning that the typical younger journalist like Ezra Klein or Ronan (née Satchel) Farrow is a resentful mediocrity who couldn’t hack it in a more lucrative field
     
    I think the opposite is true. Back in my day, it was pretty much unheard of for someone to pay for 3 years of Harvard Law School and then take a journalism job unrelated to the law. Even now what Sarah did is strange - half of all law school grads can't get jobs as lawyers but these folks are usually from bottom end law schools. Journalism salaries were never competitive with Wall Street or Big Law.

    The flip side of the collapse in media is that the few remaining outlets are even more prestigious in elite circles - at this point Sarah is the envy of her law school classmates who are chained to a desk writing briefs or contracts 70 hrs./ week while she is a glamourous NY Times columnist. However, she has a 1 in a million job - most journalists will never sit on the NY Times editorial board even after a lifetime.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @bomag, @The Practical Conservative

    Was there Affirmative Action “back in your day”? Do you think any grad school is as rigorous as they were back in your day?

  109. @Cagey Beast
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Meanwhile in Russia:

    https://i.imgur.com/mEf3xjg.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpYmwy5tLZQ

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Jack D

    Here’s Bill Maher looking at the same phenomena from the opposite perspective. He get’s it but his view is reversed. For him, it’s great that London is no longer White, that the French national soccer is majority African and that Germany is now filled with “brothers”:

    I’m glad we’re all finally getting down to brass tacks now.

  110. @FKA Max


    A lady who worked in South County Dublin libraries in the 1970s when Ireland was ground zero for borderline theocratic Catholic conservatism told me about people who used to regularly accost librarians with over the top complaints about “filth” and “indecency” in novels.
     



    An Irish disease?
    Sat, May 4, 2002

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/an-irish-disease-1.1056148
     
    - https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1868760

    We must go back. Where sexuality is concerned, the current generation of young Irish people is probably the first "normal" one since 1845. Up to that year the Irish generally were a happily sexually active people. With an abundance of cheap food, the population grew and grew, and a small amount of ground produced a large supply of potatoes.

    In 1841, Ireland's population was 8.1 million. In the intervening 120 years to 1961 the population almost halved to 4.2 million. The immediate cause of this catastrophic decline was the Great Famine, which began in 1845. An immediate effect was an end to the sub-division of holdings and diversification from the potato into other crops.

    This wrench in land use had a defining effect on Irish sexuality and the family. An economic imperative dictated sexual restraint as, regardless of family size, just one son would inherit. Others - sons and daughters - emigrated. And some, usually encouraged by a devout mother, entered the Church. The pattern persisted into the late 1960s.

    Sex became taboo. Allied to Victorian prudery and a Catholic Church seemingly fixated on sex as the only sin, sensuality was pushed under in Irish consciousness.

    A celibate elite became the noblest caste. They had unparalleled influence, through their close identification with Irish nationalism, the fact that they were educated when so many were not, and the control they exerted over what there was of an education system and healthcare service.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dan Hayes, @Jack D, @Alec Leamas, @John Derbyshire

    All it has taken for the Irish to embrace “normal” sexuality in the form of sticking things in one’s rectum (this is what is meant by “normal,” of course) is the colonization of the Irish mind by the BBC and the abolition of Ireland itself, because of course “diversity” is uniquely (but still, just like every other white nation) Ireland’s greatest strength. Who are you to say, Paddy O’Reilly, that this black-as-coal fellow from the Congo is not an Irishman through and through?

    And some, usually encouraged by a devout mother, entered the Church. The pattern persisted into the late 1960s.

    There is some truth in this insofar as vocations are concerned. Being the youngest, or the brightest, or perhaps a bit sensitive or effeminate might have earned you coercion into religious life by your parents. A same sex attracted child may have found that a life of prayer and celibacy was a great way to conquer his or her sinful proclivities. But it may have been a fool’s errand for most, and practically a disaster in the wake of cultural revolutions in which sex is at the fore.

  111. There are several epistemological problems with sex. Our minds are not allowed to think about sex rationally.

    First of all is the matter of “free will”. We are protoplasmic robots designed by evolution to reproduce. When we awake to sex at puberty we like to think we make decisions. But that’s an illusion. Boys like girls because of their programming. If you are a homosexual that’s programming too. No free will about sex. Sex and reproduction are too important to leave it to the individual organism.

    So it makes little sense to be proud to be straight or proud to be gay.

    Sex is cruel. We descended from our common ancestor with the chimpanzee about six or seven million years ago. Chimps are not nice. Gorillas are peaceable but chimps are nasty, violent and treacherous. Male chimps often beat the females before and doing sex. As it happens females who have been beaten thereby exhibit greater fertility. Then by standard Darwinian mechanisms the beaten female chimps out breed those not beaten. Over time the females who like being beaten come to predominate.

    In this way, male cruelty (sexual sadism) has endured among chimps and humans. We speak of the homosexual incidence as around 2%, But human BDSM is probably around 30%. Unfortunately the topic is so radioactive no one dares investigate.

    Male dominance is probably the ‘natural’ way for the sexes to behave. The current feminism ideas are probably a passing fancy like Victorian sexual practices. Girls like strong men. Many of them want to be spanked.

    Get ready for change.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Pat Boyle


    females who have been beaten thereby exhibit greater fertility
     
    What is the mechanism? It's hard to understand how taking a pounding would increase your fertility. I can understand that female chimps might appreciate shows of male strength which would reassure them that they had chosen a fit mate who would help them to produce fit offspring but how does being beaten in itself increase fertility? That makes no sense to me.

    I have read that approximately 5% of page views on porn sites are for gay porn. This is the same whether the page hits originate from places where there are large visible gay communities or rural places where there are fewer people who admit to being gay. Apparently there are, even in these more liberated times, a large # of men "on the down low" which amount to half of the gay iceberg.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @SFG

    , @SFG
    @Pat Boyle

    The most recent stuff I've seen had 30% of the population with BDSM fantasies, so yeah, you're probably about right. Keep in mind that includes 'spanking and furry handcuffs' and the sort of light 50-shades-of-grey stuff that's become fashionable among the urban millennials. The number of people into diapers and blood play is likely a lot smaller.

    I think it's more that dominant men are bound to be rough, and it made sense to sleep with a guy with some capacity for violence throughout much of human history, because you wanted your kids to be able to fight. Now that men have to act like such herbs to avoid MeToo charges, it makes sense there's a large pent-up demand for Heathcliff.

    , @Thea
    @Pat Boyle

    Feminism can be interpreted as a collective cry by (many) women to be put back in place. Roissy calls it a sh*t test.

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Pat Boyle


    There are several epistemological problems with sex.
     
    You mean that you have epistemological problems with sex. The 17/20ths of the population that hasn't succumbed to Darwinian propaganda knows everything necessary about sex.

    Our minds are not allowed to think about sex rationally.
     
    And who disallows this thinking? Darwin? Evolution?

    First of all is the matter of “free will”. We are protoplasmic robots designed by evolution to reproduce.
     
    How much analysis, blueprinting, planning, experimenting and re-tooling did evolution do during its design of us automata? Was evolution's thinking effective? Or are we the detritus of failed trials? Or is evolution omniscient?

    When we awake to sex at puberty we like to think we make decisions. But that’s an illusion. Boys like girls because of their programming.

     

    Oh please. As boys, we all had chances to have sex with girls that we found unappealing. Some (maybe you) had sex with them anyway. The rest of us exercised our free will. I am sure that girls were similarly situated.

    No free will about sex. Sex and reproduction are too important to leave it to the individual organism.
     
    What about birthrates in developed countries? By your reasoning what we see would not happen. You have a theory you have described. The facts contradict your theory. In the contest between theory and facts, facts prevail.

    You have mistaken humans for chimps. That you can't distinguish between us and them says much about you, and nothing about the rest of us.
  112. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    I doubt Farrow has any such issues, since he's probably taken a DNA test or two by now. Even a paternity test is not really necessary (a 23andme "48.5% Ashkenazi Jewish" or "38% Southern European" should more or less answer the question). BTW, post-surgery, cross-country Sinatra impregnating Mia Farrow as she's filming a movie with Woody in New York in March 1987 would be quite a feat.

    Anyway, from the coverage of this Sarah Jeong here, you'd think she's just been nominated for Vice President. Is she this year's James Damore? I think she's crossing over into "THE Sarah Jeong?" territory now.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @PiltdownMan, @dcite

    TW, post-surgery, cross-country Sinatra impregnating Mia Farrow as she’s filming a movie with Woody in New York in March 1987 would be quite a feat.

    Why? They had airplanes way back then. The resemblance to Sinatra is unmistakable. I always knew he wasn’t quite a Mia clone but I didn’t see Woody there.

  113. Sex is cruel. We descended from our common ancestor with the chimpanzee about six or seven million years ago. Chimps are not nice. Gorillas are peaceable but chimps are nasty, violent and treacherous. Male chimps often beat the females before and doing sex. As it happens females who have been beaten thereby exhibit greater fertility.

    Sounds like someone who might enjoy the adrenochrome plantation. Apparently the Cool People Who Drive the PTB, are into adrenal fluid drained from the cortex of a tortured and terrified person gives a great high and doesn’t actually depend on sex. Urban legend schmended maybe, but who couldda thunk it up? On topic, Koreans used to be dogs to death because it made the meat taste better. We’re still in strange days.
    In any case, did you check with Jane Goodall? I don’t recall that nugget. Sure you didn’t fantasize it? Wife beating was distinctly declasse in most of European history, and an English woman could shame a husband in the public view for that, even in the early 18th century, according to a famous novel I once read, maybe by Defoe but not sure. Either sex is capable of sadism. But it is usually a bad idea. The idea that beaten women are more fertile is so bizar and so conducive of producing more psychopaths and violent thugs that….well, maybe you just described some cultures.
    It’s something we should evolve away from and not all animals exhibit that behavior anyway. Who needs more children brought up with all that.
    Civilizations with a literature have produced vast compendiums on the arts of love and sex. It’s what’s called civilization and being human. We are not animals. That is a component of our nature, but we can go farther. It seems that some people muse with nostalgia on the worst we can be.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @dcite

    Apparently the Cool People Who Drive the PTB, are into adrenal fluid drained from the cortex of a tortured and terrified person gives a great high

    Mostly in the scene in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" in which Raoul Duke and his Samoan attorney terrify the poor cop from the hinterlands with tales of all the teenage girls who have been abducted out of the drive-thru window at the Malibu McDonalds and dismembered by adrenal gland crazed gangs.

    Perhaps someone should alert the Gorilla Mindset guy? He'll figure out for us how it's tied to Hillary ...

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    , @Jack D
    @dcite

    And yet humans are wired in a strange way - approximately 5% of rape victims report having orgasms during their rape - the actual % is believed to be higher because many victims are reluctant to admit this.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

  114. This is her in 2016, streaked hair and all — not an uninteresting video.

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    Don't know about the rape fantasy stuff; won't discount it -- but after watching the video, I thought of Amy Chua-esque 'tiger parenting', and how as a result of it there is probably a lot of misdirected youthful intellectual energy -- eg after finishing Harvard Law School, Sarah Jeong apparently realized pretty quickly that she did not want to be a lawyer -- also in the video she seems to say that using targeted advertising technology to attempt to dissuade women from having an abortion is "morally reprehensible" (skip to 07:20) -- of course abortion itself is not "morally reprehensible".

    Screenshot from the video:

    https://s26.postimg.cc/qq35hy1qh/sarah_jeong_video_snapshot.jpg

    Replies: @eah, @Mr. Rational

    , @Forbes
    @eah

    For the life of me, I can't figure why this woman is in demand as a speaker, and now at the NYT. She doesn't appear to have accomplished anything in her life--she'a a scribbler of opinions on the internet. If she were a 30-year old attorney at some law firm--nobody would be interested in hearing from her--but at least she'd be on track to learn and master her profession.

    Replies: @eah

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @eah

    She's funnier and has better stage presence that most of the so-called "comediennes" that the media attempts to foist on us these days.

    She also has a lot of the, "girl next door," quality going for her.

    We laugh and make fun of her excesses, but she has the potential to be very dangerous long-term, much like Ocasio-Cortez.

    , @Anonymous
    @eah

    She is fresh and charming and engaging in that video. What happened? Sad!

    Replies: @eah

    , @Almost Missouri
    @eah

    It is striking that despite being a professional left wing writer, she doesn't know where the money comes from to pay her. She naively thinks it is something to do with advertising and she is worried about ad blockers. Her powerpoint slide even has a humorous-step-2-question-mark in the 3-step sequence of how she gets paid (3:20). She even tells the the story of her admired colleague whose news site died from lack of ad revenue (5:10). She just doesn't get it. The only people who make money on digital advertising are named Google and Facebook. Everyone else in the market is either trivial, cornered there or chumps or some combination.

    So where does the money come from then? I wrote the comment already on this thread, but I'll say it again here. The left media is oligarch-run and oligarch-paid. It is the Oligarch Media.

    Sarah, being a left wing writer in the current year means pleasing your real bosses: the oligarchs. Serve them and your career will blossom. This is what it means to be left wing today.

  115. @Reg Cæsar
    Eight of Steve's last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?

    Replies: @BEER/ we're all going to die, @RoryBellowsLives, @Anon, @Mitchell Porter, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes, @FPD72, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Mr. Blank

    Eight of Steve’s last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?

    It’s a highly topical and relevant story. Just this last week, CNN propagandist Jim Acosta got in a hissy-fit in the White House press room, demanding that Sarah Huckabee Sanders denounce a Trump comment to the effect that the Press is an enemy of the people. Well, the Times hiring of this Jeong woman, who evidently thinks that white people – white men specifically – are a universal enemy tends to prove that – yes, the press IS the enemy of the people. White people, anyway.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  116. @FKA Max


    A lady who worked in South County Dublin libraries in the 1970s when Ireland was ground zero for borderline theocratic Catholic conservatism told me about people who used to regularly accost librarians with over the top complaints about “filth” and “indecency” in novels.
     



    An Irish disease?
    Sat, May 4, 2002

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/an-irish-disease-1.1056148
     
    - https://www.unz.com/article/non-white-migrants-and-the-catholic-church/#comment-1868760

    We must go back. Where sexuality is concerned, the current generation of young Irish people is probably the first "normal" one since 1845. Up to that year the Irish generally were a happily sexually active people. With an abundance of cheap food, the population grew and grew, and a small amount of ground produced a large supply of potatoes.

    In 1841, Ireland's population was 8.1 million. In the intervening 120 years to 1961 the population almost halved to 4.2 million. The immediate cause of this catastrophic decline was the Great Famine, which began in 1845. An immediate effect was an end to the sub-division of holdings and diversification from the potato into other crops.

    This wrench in land use had a defining effect on Irish sexuality and the family. An economic imperative dictated sexual restraint as, regardless of family size, just one son would inherit. Others - sons and daughters - emigrated. And some, usually encouraged by a devout mother, entered the Church. The pattern persisted into the late 1960s.

    Sex became taboo. Allied to Victorian prudery and a Catholic Church seemingly fixated on sex as the only sin, sensuality was pushed under in Irish consciousness.

    A celibate elite became the noblest caste. They had unparalleled influence, through their close identification with Irish nationalism, the fact that they were educated when so many were not, and the control they exerted over what there was of an education system and healthcare service.
     

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Dan Hayes, @Jack D, @Alec Leamas, @John Derbyshire

    It’s just one remote data point perhaps blurred by time, but I can report that living as a student in London and Liverpool 1963-67, Irish girls were widely regarded as easy.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double
    @John Derbyshire

    Sean, I'd say the best one came from Tupelo, Mississippi,
    I'll tell you now, grown men cry and Irish girls are pretty...

    , @Sid
    @John Derbyshire

    Women from sexually conservative countries usually end up slutting it up when they study abroad, or else hunker down in their prudery.

    , @Joe Walker
    @John Derbyshire

    Just as English girls are widely regarded as easy by non-English men.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    , @Jack D
    @John Derbyshire

    The old stereotype was that once Catholic girls escaped the confines of their overly strict homes and churches they would go hog wild with their newfound freedom. The fact that many Irish exhibit a fondness for drink does not contribute to impulse control either.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    , @(((They))) Live
    @John Derbyshire

    They probably were, people away from home behave differently

    The brother lived in Australia for a few years, he had more success with Irish girls in Australia than he ever had with them at home in Ireland, some Polish lads I know tell the same story about polish girls in Ireland

  117. @Desiderius
    @JA

    Yeah, Frank didn’t exactly get by on his looks.

    Replies: @Anonym, @WowJustWow, @Prester John

    Mia wasn’t the prettiest starlet in Hollywood, but her genetic contributions filled out the weak areas of Frank’s bone structure and sanded down all the wonky features. It’s a very effective combination. If they’d had a daughter, she wouldn’t have been so lucky.

  118. @Mitchell Porter
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'm disturbed by a full third of those posts being about Jeong's views on some notorious rape hoaxes (and this current post is especially sordid), and just by a lot of the comments. This blog, and its comments, can be a wellspring of insight and alternative views, and I have enjoyed the opportunity to try to figure out what's up with Sarah Jeong and the New York Times. But I'm now feeling the need to back the hell off and see things through her eyes, or just from some other point of view, if I want to see the truth of the situation.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Joe Walker

    I’m disturbed by a full third of those posts being about Jeong’s views on some notorious rape hoaxes (and this current post is especially sordid)…

    I wouldn’t be so critical. It’s been cited here that young female sexuality is important because it has a large determinant as to who shows up in the future.

  119. @SporadicMyrmidon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Lacking better counterarguments, I'm classing Farrow with the currently rare honest, intelligent and hard-working leftists like Alan Dershowitz and Glenn Greenwald who are willing to pursue the truth where it leads.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PiltdownMan, @Mr. Anon

    Lacking better counterarguments, I’m classing Farrow with the currently rare honest, intelligent and hard-working leftists like Alan Dershowitz and Glenn Greenwald who are willing to pursue the truth where it leads.

    I think Greenwald is an honorable man. I have no reason to doubt as much. But Alan D. just strikes me as a slimy, opportunistic creep. And I would not be surprised if his recent sucking up to FOX News and the Trump administration is down to his desire to seek political protection in the wake of his involvement in the Jeffrey Epstein case.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Anon

    I knew a (Jewish) lawyer who always referred to Alan Dershowitz as "the man with three middle names": Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz, which is how his name unfailingly appeared in the press.

    Yes, there may have been some envy in this.

  120. @Jack D

    the fact that with the media’s profitability in free fall, it’s much harder for the like of the Times and the Post to compete for graduate talent with law and accounting firms, Wall Street, Silicon Valley etc, meaning that the typical younger journalist like Ezra Klein or Ronan (née Satchel) Farrow is a resentful mediocrity who couldn’t hack it in a more lucrative field
     
    I think the opposite is true. Back in my day, it was pretty much unheard of for someone to pay for 3 years of Harvard Law School and then take a journalism job unrelated to the law. Even now what Sarah did is strange - half of all law school grads can't get jobs as lawyers but these folks are usually from bottom end law schools. Journalism salaries were never competitive with Wall Street or Big Law.

    The flip side of the collapse in media is that the few remaining outlets are even more prestigious in elite circles - at this point Sarah is the envy of her law school classmates who are chained to a desk writing briefs or contracts 70 hrs./ week while she is a glamourous NY Times columnist. However, she has a 1 in a million job - most journalists will never sit on the NY Times editorial board even after a lifetime.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @bomag, @The Practical Conservative

    I think the opposite is true. Back in my day, it was pretty much unheard of for someone to pay for 3 years of Harvard Law School and then take a journalism job unrelated to the law.

    True, but I’ve been told that Watergate was a turning point. Before that, journalism was largely a blue collar job. After Watergate, with the “power of the press” seeming to take down a president, journalism became a way to “change the world”, etc., and it started to attract more of the politically ambitious and those looking for a cool job.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  121. Vox Day’s Third Law of SJW in action. If Pink Floyd’s “Pigs (Three Different Ones)” were written today, it wouldn’t be hard to find a replacement for Mary Whitehouse in the last verse.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @WowJustWow

    These days it seems like Vox is gunning for her job himself

  122. @Desiderius
    @JA

    Yeah, Frank didn’t exactly get by on his looks.

    Replies: @Anonym, @WowJustWow, @Prester John

    I knew one of Goombah Frank’s security guards , a retired NYPD officer whose job it was to make sure that Frank wasn’t wandering thru hotel hallways naked–as he was wont to do towards the end of his life. He told me that even in his 80s and thoroughly demented, Sinatra was still “hung like a horse”. Hollywood is a small town and word gets around, so no doubt this fact enhanced his reputation as a lady’s man and swordsman extraordinaire.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Prester John

    I think it was Ava Gardner who said something like, "Frank weighs 100 pounds soaking wet, and 10 pounds of that is cock".

  123. @eah
    This is her in 2016, streaked hair and all -- not an uninteresting video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bltoTMJZetc

    Replies: @eah, @Forbes, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

    Don’t know about the rape fantasy stuff; won’t discount it — but after watching the video, I thought of Amy Chua-esque ‘tiger parenting’, and how as a result of it there is probably a lot of misdirected youthful intellectual energy — eg after finishing Harvard Law School, Sarah Jeong apparently realized pretty quickly that she did not want to be a lawyer — also in the video she seems to say that using targeted advertising technology to attempt to dissuade women from having an abortion is “morally reprehensible” (skip to 07:20) — of course abortion itself is not “morally reprehensible”.

    Screenshot from the video:

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/YoungerZee_/status/1025705484496584704

    , @Mr. Rational
    @eah

    Not to judge the morality of abortion, but there would seem to be a way to defeat ads targeted at people at a clinic:  install a microcell a la Stingray, and fudge the location info of anything connecting to it to appear to be at random locations, preferably along country lanes in other states.

    Or just make certain locations unavailable for position-targeted ads.  "Sorry, you are not allowed to specify your ad to be served to users located here."

    Replies: @eah

  124. OT

    • Replies: @eah
    @eah

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj2duk7UwAEPR6n.jpg

    , @eah
    @eah

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj4RoifVAAErRoM.jpg

    Replies: @Hail

  125. @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1026119866884005889

    Replies: @eah, @eah

  126. @JohnnyWalker123
    So you're saying that Sarah Jeong diddles herself to rape accusations by White Chad men?

    This is both funny and depressing at the same time.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that a large percentage of America's ruling class (journalists/media, politicians, intelligentsia, national security establishment, etc.) are afflicted by some degree of mental illness.

    I'm reminded of the old saying: "Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad. "

    Then again, is Sarah Jeong any more insane the rest of America's rulers?

    Weren't we recently told that Caitlyn Jenner is "stunning" and "beautiful"? How is Sarah Jeong any less insane than that?

    The video below happened. No, I'm not joking. The video below really did happen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYj4_-EroNo

    I'm not joking. That really did happen.

    If you feel like you're caught in an episode of the Twilight Zone, I empathize with you.

    This 1960 Twilight Zone episode seems to have foreshadowed our current reality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4qXGByp8DY

    Replies: @Danindc, @Cagey Beast, @Bubba, @Kylie, @Anon, @JudyBlumeSussman

    WTF–??!!

    Of course I was aware that Bruce was now living in a dress. But I’d never heard the voice till now. Oh my effing Christ. Are you effing kidding me no question mark.

  127. On Sailer’s First Law of Female Journalism, isn’t it exactly the same with male journalism? It’s just that the traditional fonts of masculine attractiveness are power, money, and sports and those are also the three traditional subjects of journalism. So manly efforts to make themselves more attractive in the social order just mean a slight lefty or pro-literary bias in the ordinary coverage of ordinary subjects.

    The real observation is that female attractiveness hierarchies are sufficiently different that the same strategy is hilariously transparent when women do it.

  128. On the related question of rape fantasies, remember that rape fantasies are the most common sexual fantasy in every known demographic of female humans. It’s unlikely that any *new* phenomenon can be explained by a central cause that is and has been so common and so constant throughout the world and across all known history.

  129. @Reg Cæsar
    Eight of Steve's last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?

    Replies: @BEER/ we're all going to die, @RoryBellowsLives, @Anon, @Mitchell Porter, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes, @FPD72, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Mr. Blank

    A vein as rich to be mined as Sarah Jeong doesn’t come along every week or month. She does seem to fit Sailer’s First Rule of Feminist Journalism though.

  130. @eah
    @eah

    Don't know about the rape fantasy stuff; won't discount it -- but after watching the video, I thought of Amy Chua-esque 'tiger parenting', and how as a result of it there is probably a lot of misdirected youthful intellectual energy -- eg after finishing Harvard Law School, Sarah Jeong apparently realized pretty quickly that she did not want to be a lawyer -- also in the video she seems to say that using targeted advertising technology to attempt to dissuade women from having an abortion is "morally reprehensible" (skip to 07:20) -- of course abortion itself is not "morally reprehensible".

    Screenshot from the video:

    https://s26.postimg.cc/qq35hy1qh/sarah_jeong_video_snapshot.jpg

    Replies: @eah, @Mr. Rational

  131. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of the importance of Context, the reason for Seong’s attitude and behavior is Jews control the media and academia. Seong is a toady and dog. She didn’t make herself. There is nothing original about her. She was made by the forces around her. And those dominant forces are Jewish-controlled institutions and media. She was trained to hate whitey.

  132. @Anonymous
    Hitchcock said while making "The Birds," apparently only half-facetiously, that he subscribed to the dramatic-efficiency advice of Victorien Sardou: "Torture the women" (i.e. 51-plus percent of movie audiences). And I, for one, believe the old fat bastard knew whereof he spake.

    Is it not major, catastrophic, DEFCON 1 enstupidation that we already waste *this* much time debating how policy/consumer-capitalism should more slavishly cater to women's whims and psychological insecurities, which yet never seems to be enough? Also, give it a rest with pseudo-insights on women's "rape fantasies" unless you're going to ponder that notorious male fetish for 60-hour-work-week, penny-pinching, subsisting-on-Ramen lifestyle, you know, "wealth fantasies." If women can be said to dream about being raped then it's with equivalent seriousness to their dreams of dabbling in the career of a high-class call girl. Maybe you saw that really gritty Julia Roberts movie about it.

    Replies: @Karl, @Hockamaw, @Jack D, @Brady

    If women can be said to dream about being raped then it’s with equivalent seriousness to their dreams of dabbling in the career of a high-class call girl.

    That’s a very incisive and well taken point, but nevertheless it is equally true that the entire SJW/feminist movement is basically one giant shit test that Western men failed miserably. SJWism and feminism are at their core extremely frivolous and unserious ideologies that have perniciously invaded the cultural vacuum left by Western man’s abdication of his responsibility to be a leader at home. The Catholic Church has its problems, God knows, but one of the things it is absolutely right about is that cultural decline all starts in the home. If white men had collecticely been more responsible husbands and fathers for the past couple of generarions, we wouldn’t be in this mess we’re in today.

  133. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:

    it’s much harder for the like of the Times and the Post to compete for graduate talent with law and accounting firms, Wall Street, Silicon Valley etc

    I don’t think this is true. Working in elite media has a glamour and cache factor that being a corporate grind or or 80-hour-a-week junior associate in one of those other fields doesn’t.

    Glamour and cache can make up for an awful lot of missed money (case-in-point, even within Silicon Valley, starting salaries at Google are significantly less than at Cisco, HP, Xerox, etc.). And for females, the trade-off between glamour and money is even more weighted in favor of glamour than it is for males, because glamour directly adds to female SMV and money doesn’t really.

    And even without the glamour factor, many graduates of top programs such as Harvard Law for example opt for 50-hour-a-week $70,000-a-year jobs as federal prosecutors rather than 80-hour-a-week jobs $150,000-a-year as junior associates in major firms. Time is money, and even strivers know that. Throw in glamour and don’t think elite media are hurting for elite applicants.

  134. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, another reason I suspect Woody is his father is that if Woody really thought Ronan was Frank’s kid, he would have sued her out of spite for the child support he paid.

    Replies: @WowJustWow

    There’s nothing predictable about Woody’s neurotic mind. There’s certainly enough room in there to accommodate both spite and titillation at the thought of being cucked.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @WowJustWow

    In Woodys milieu it doesn’t really count as being cucked if it’s Frank Sinatra.

  135. @HunInTheSun
    Yes, and let’s not forget Emma Sulkowicz, the “Mattress Girl" of 2013, who ensnared her fellow Columbia student and German (!) national Paul Nungesser in a rape fantasy which disappeared into the ether after official examination of the facts and despite a ceaseless barrage of feminist victimization gibberish.

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @Hail, @eah

    And then she made a porno.

  136. Somewhat off-topic but related to the enriching effects of immigration, check out this page, especially the table at the bottom:

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/25-defendants-charged-manhattan-federal-court-multimillion-dollar-wire-fraud-and-money

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @PapayaSF

    Thanks, I'll post.

  137. @John Derbyshire
    @FKA Max

    It's just one remote data point perhaps blurred by time, but I can report that living as a student in London and Liverpool 1963-67, Irish girls were widely regarded as easy.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double, @Sid, @Joe Walker, @Jack D, @(((They))) Live

    Sean, I’d say the best one came from Tupelo, Mississippi,
    I’ll tell you now, grown men cry and Irish girls are pretty…

  138. @John Derbyshire
    @FKA Max

    It's just one remote data point perhaps blurred by time, but I can report that living as a student in London and Liverpool 1963-67, Irish girls were widely regarded as easy.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double, @Sid, @Joe Walker, @Jack D, @(((They))) Live

    Women from sexually conservative countries usually end up slutting it up when they study abroad, or else hunker down in their prudery.

  139. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    In one sense, Jeong is very pro-American, even all-American.

    Patton said Americans love a winner.

    “Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time.”

    So, that is the basis of Americanism. By those standards, why would anyone respect current white Americans? White Christians who founded and built this nation allowed the Jews, 2% of the population, to take over all elite institutions and monopolize many key industries. Even though Jews beat on whites all the time, whites suck up to Jewish power and praise Israel 24/7. Even big tough Donald Trump, though constantly attacked by Jews, grovels to the likes of Adelson and Netanyahu and fully supports Zionist crushing of Palestinians.

    White Americans let blacks enter sports and totally kick white butt. Whites were beaten in boxing, basketball, football. They are bench-warmers or cucky sports fans who cheer black guys who beat whites and sexually conquer white women. When blacks go around beating up whites in schools and streets, but whites never come together. When white monuments are torn down, there is no white protest. If anything, the most passionate whites are those are committed to ‘punching nazis’. Even Paul Ryan, leader of GOP in Congress, berates any sign of white identity but is sooooooo very proud of the 3% of him that is Jewish. Mitt Romney praised Antifa that attacked young rightists. Popular culture often portrays black men as cool and white men as silly white boys dufus dorks. Whites don’t complain. If anything, white boys listen to rap songs and wiggle their ass to lyrics, ‘suck my black dic*’. Even red state Texas is run by the likes of Bush Dynasty who welcome more Mexicans who vote Democratic. Jeb Bush says illegals are patriots and love this country.

    White race has turned into an utter disgrace, a bunch of f***ing losers. By American standards of AMERICANS LOVE A WINNER AND WILL NOT TOLERATE A LOSER, isn’t Sarah Jeong’s tweets very ‘American’? She loves winners of the Current Power and Idolatry: Jews, Homos, and blacks. She feels contempt for weakling whites.

    Indeed, even so much of Jeong-bashing is pathetic in a way. After all, she’s small potatoes, a tool, a useful idiot, a toady, and dog. Who made her like this? Let’s consider the CONTEXT since we are told context is so important. She was raised with PC education and entertainment by Harvard and Hollywood dominated by Jews. She is the contextual product of globo-homo PC that dominates US media, academia, and entertainment.

    So, all those big tough patriots who never had the courage to speak truth to Jewish(or Negro or Homo) power but are now bashing Jeong like she’s some outlier, that is BS. It’s stupid to bark back at a dog if you don’t have the guts to confront the master who trained the dog to be that way.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon

    LOL - your name is Anon[425] and you are lecturing everyone else about speaking truth to power.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Hockamaw
    @Anon

    Very strong comment. Sad, but true.

  140. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    @Anonymous


    I doubt Farrow has any such issues, since he’s probably taken a DNA test or two by now. Even a paternity test is not really necessary (a 23andme “48.5% Ashkenazi Jewish” or “38% Southern European” should more or less answer the question). BTW, post-surgery, cross-country Sinatra impregnating Mia Farrow as she’s filming a movie with Woody in New York in March 1987 would be quite a feat.
     
    True. But then, there's this.

    https://i.imgur.com/Hl5mleS.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy

    Frank liked to fuck and women liked Frank fucking them. Three kids with Big Nancy, he got Ava pregnant at least once, he acknowledged at least one illegitimate kid, and several others had abortions. So I’m sort of betting Ronan is his.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    At the time that Ronan Farrow was conceived (March, 1987) Frank Sinatra was 71 years old and recovering from recent serious colon surgery. By that point, he looked more like Mia Farrow's grandfather than a sex symbol.

    It strikes me that the universe of possible fathers for Ronan is larger than just 2 men. I have no idea who Mia Farrow was palling around with in those days but it could have been someone else besides these two. I really doubt that he is Woody Allen's son but I also doubt that he is Frank's either.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @PiltdownMan, @Anonym

  141. @WowJustWow
    Vox Day's Third Law of SJW in action. If Pink Floyd's "Pigs (Three Different Ones)" were written today, it wouldn't be hard to find a replacement for Mary Whitehouse in the last verse.

    Replies: @Anon

    These days it seems like Vox is gunning for her job himself

  142. @JohnnyWalker123
    So you're saying that Sarah Jeong diddles herself to rape accusations by White Chad men?

    This is both funny and depressing at the same time.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that a large percentage of America's ruling class (journalists/media, politicians, intelligentsia, national security establishment, etc.) are afflicted by some degree of mental illness.

    I'm reminded of the old saying: "Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad. "

    Then again, is Sarah Jeong any more insane the rest of America's rulers?

    Weren't we recently told that Caitlyn Jenner is "stunning" and "beautiful"? How is Sarah Jeong any less insane than that?

    The video below happened. No, I'm not joking. The video below really did happen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYj4_-EroNo

    I'm not joking. That really did happen.

    If you feel like you're caught in an episode of the Twilight Zone, I empathize with you.

    This 1960 Twilight Zone episode seems to have foreshadowed our current reality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4qXGByp8DY

    Replies: @Danindc, @Cagey Beast, @Bubba, @Kylie, @Anon, @JudyBlumeSussman

    Holy Christ, that was hilarious. He sounds exactly like Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs

  143. @Almost Missouri
    Irish Paleo's comment is very plausible, but I paused at this:

    "one reason for this crap becoming so much more prominent in our culture is, quite simply, the fact that with the media’s profitability in free fall, it’s much harder for the like of the Times and the Post to compete"
     
    Conventional profitability is no longer an issue for the Left Media ("Main Stream" Media). Of course, they still sell ads and subscriptions to give the appearance of being legitimate businesses. But if you look closely, you will find that these outlets* are actually supported by rich oligarchs.

    Sometimes the ownership is direct such as with Carlos Slim and the NYT or Bezos and the WaPo. Other times it is camouflaged through an anonymous foundation, as with the billionairess Jobs widow and The Atlantic. Still other times the revenue is disguised as investment capital, as when Jeffery Katzenberg dispenses millions of dollars of "venture capital" for new media that he knows perfectly well will never pay for itself. This top-down money meets the bottom-up efforts of the Sarah Jeongs and Julia Carrie Wongs of the world who are grateful for the Narrative-ladling coolie work at $150 a throw.

    In between are the editors and managers whose only real job is to ensure that their backers' money buys the right kind of "news". That is the only "profitability" they worry about. They hire mediocrities because that's what's out there, and they don't need anything better for their coolie work.

    If you've ever wondered why right wing news sites have to inundate you with advertising while left wing sites can afford clean, spare formatting, look no further than their financing. A few million dollars of oligarch money will buy you a lot of journo-list-ism.


    *In that they are all simply emitting different flavors of the same prearranged narrative, the word "outlet" is unintentionally apt.

    **The Guardian appear to be true believers who promote the Narrative for free ... well, for busking money.

    ***Also I don't think Ronan Farrow is really as bad as Irish says, though Farrow has plenty of time to become corrupt, and he is certainly in the right environment for it.

    Replies: @Anon, @James Forrestal, @Eagle Eye

    Sometimes the ownership is direct such as with Carlos Slim and the NYT or Bezos and the WaPo.

    The NYT has been controlled by the (((Ochs/ Sulzberger))) family since 1896. Sure, Slim invested quite a few shekels in the Times. Though he later sold off about half:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/365763-mexican-billionaire-carlos-slim-sells-off-half-of-ny-times-shares

    But more importantly, no matter how many Class A (publicly traded) shares Slim (or anyone else) purchases, the Sulzbergers still control all of the Class B (super-voting) shares:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/opinion/nocera-how-punch-protected-the-times.html

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ny-times-shareholders-withhold-vote-chairman-defends-structure

    https://investors.nytco.com/investors/investor-resources/faqs/default.aspx

    Which means that the Sulzbergers get to choose 9 out of the 13 board members. Carlos Slim “controlling” the NYT is a boomer-tier false meme. Who represented the NYT in talking to Trump again?

    As far as WaPo goes, it’s interesting to note that a few months after Bezos bought the Post, Amazon was awarded a $600 million contract for cloud computing… from the CIA. They weren’t the low bidder. But everyone knows that the CIA only deals in espionage and covert operations overseas, not domestic propaganda, so I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @James Forrestal


    (((Ochs/ Sulzberger))) family .
     
    You can get rid of the parentheses. The Sulzbergers have been Episcopalians for 2 generations now and are at most 1/4 Jewish by blood and not Jewish at all according to Jewish law since all of the Sulzberger men have married non-Jews.
    , @Almost Missouri
    @James Forrestal

    Good point. Nevertheless, the Sulzbergers are also wealthy and influential and part of the oligarchy.

    My comment's first draft read "Sulzberger/Slim", but in the interest of brevity I reduced it to only the name more prominent on iSteve.

    Also, thanks for the Amazon tip. How do you know that Amazon wasn't the low bidder?

  144. @John Derbyshire
    @FKA Max

    It's just one remote data point perhaps blurred by time, but I can report that living as a student in London and Liverpool 1963-67, Irish girls were widely regarded as easy.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double, @Sid, @Joe Walker, @Jack D, @(((They))) Live

    Just as English girls are widely regarded as easy by non-English men.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Joe Walker

    Joe Walker:

    TOUCHE!

  145. @Pat Boyle
    There are several epistemological problems with sex. Our minds are not allowed to think about sex rationally.

    First of all is the matter of "free will". We are protoplasmic robots designed by evolution to reproduce. When we awake to sex at puberty we like to think we make decisions. But that's an illusion. Boys like girls because of their programming. If you are a homosexual that's programming too. No free will about sex. Sex and reproduction are too important to leave it to the individual organism.

    So it makes little sense to be proud to be straight or proud to be gay.

    Sex is cruel. We descended from our common ancestor with the chimpanzee about six or seven million years ago. Chimps are not nice. Gorillas are peaceable but chimps are nasty, violent and treacherous. Male chimps often beat the females before and doing sex. As it happens females who have been beaten thereby exhibit greater fertility. Then by standard Darwinian mechanisms the beaten female chimps out breed those not beaten. Over time the females who like being beaten come to predominate.

    In this way, male cruelty (sexual sadism) has endured among chimps and humans. We speak of the homosexual incidence as around 2%, But human BDSM is probably around 30%. Unfortunately the topic is so radioactive no one dares investigate.

    Male dominance is probably the 'natural' way for the sexes to behave. The current feminism ideas are probably a passing fancy like Victorian sexual practices. Girls like strong men. Many of them want to be spanked.

    Get ready for change.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG, @Thea, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    females who have been beaten thereby exhibit greater fertility

    What is the mechanism? It’s hard to understand how taking a pounding would increase your fertility. I can understand that female chimps might appreciate shows of male strength which would reassure them that they had chosen a fit mate who would help them to produce fit offspring but how does being beaten in itself increase fertility? That makes no sense to me.

    I have read that approximately 5% of page views on porn sites are for gay porn. This is the same whether the page hits originate from places where there are large visible gay communities or rural places where there are fewer people who admit to being gay. Apparently there are, even in these more liberated times, a large # of men “on the down low” which amount to half of the gay iceberg.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    @Jack D


    I have read that approximately 5% of page views on porn sites are for gay porn. This is the same whether the page hits originate from places where there are large visible gay communities or rural places where there are fewer people who admit to being gay.
     
    Homos watch more porn, news at 11.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @SFG
    @Jack D

    Some of them are probably bi. I suspect the small number of male bisexuals has to do with the fact that women don't want to sleep with men with gay experience because they're afraid of getting HIV, whereas lots of men hear a woman is bi and think, "threesome!".

    (Ironically this is a non-feminist reason for the spread of bisexual behavior among women; if it helps you get men, it can be explained pretty easily by normal evolutionary mechanisms.)

  146. @Reg Cæsar
    Eight of Steve's last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?

    Replies: @BEER/ we're all going to die, @RoryBellowsLives, @Anon, @Mitchell Porter, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes, @FPD72, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Mr. Blank

    Using military terminology, Sarah represents a “target rich environment.”

  147. @Mitchell Porter
    @Reg Cæsar

    I'm disturbed by a full third of those posts being about Jeong's views on some notorious rape hoaxes (and this current post is especially sordid), and just by a lot of the comments. This blog, and its comments, can be a wellspring of insight and alternative views, and I have enjoyed the opportunity to try to figure out what's up with Sarah Jeong and the New York Times. But I'm now feeling the need to back the hell off and see things through her eyes, or just from some other point of view, if I want to see the truth of the situation.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @AndrewR, @bomag, @Joe Walker

    So are you saying that we should believe that Haven Monahan is real? Or that it is alright for Asians to make racist posts against whites?

    • Replies: @Mitchell Porter
    @Joe Walker

    @Joe Walker

    "are you saying that we should believe that Haven Monahan is real?"

    Years ago, I knew someone who volunteered at a shelter for abused women, and she was very disturbed when she found herself unable to believe one of the stories she was hearing. Maybe Jeong was naive and in denial, I don't know. Meanwhile, some of the commentariat here are like, "all this feminist fuss over rape is just because they want it and we won't give it to them".

    "Or that it is alright for Asians to make racist posts against whites?"

    I cannot take her Twitter "racism" seriously (though of course most of her big-media defenders are being complete hypocrites). If you look at her blog, her serious philosophy of race is something like, high-achieving Asians must reject the 'model minority' stereotype, so that their less-achieving cousins aren't treated as inferior. The most genuinely dangerous attitude I saw her express, was towards police.

  148. @John Derbyshire
    @FKA Max

    It's just one remote data point perhaps blurred by time, but I can report that living as a student in London and Liverpool 1963-67, Irish girls were widely regarded as easy.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double, @Sid, @Joe Walker, @Jack D, @(((They))) Live

    The old stereotype was that once Catholic girls escaped the confines of their overly strict homes and churches they would go hog wild with their newfound freedom. The fact that many Irish exhibit a fondness for drink does not contribute to impulse control either.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    @Jack D


    The old stereotype was that once Catholic girls escaped the confines of their overly strict homes and churches they would go hog wild with their newfound freedom. The fact that many Irish exhibit a fondness for drink does not contribute to impulse control either.
     
    Hence the reason for the “overly” strict home and church regime in the first place, one supposes...
  149. @John Derbyshire
    @FKA Max

    It's just one remote data point perhaps blurred by time, but I can report that living as a student in London and Liverpool 1963-67, Irish girls were widely regarded as easy.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton's Stunt Double, @Sid, @Joe Walker, @Jack D, @(((They))) Live

    They probably were, people away from home behave differently

    The brother lived in Australia for a few years, he had more success with Irish girls in Australia than he ever had with them at home in Ireland, some Polish lads I know tell the same story about polish girls in Ireland

  150. @Jack D
    @Pat Boyle


    females who have been beaten thereby exhibit greater fertility
     
    What is the mechanism? It's hard to understand how taking a pounding would increase your fertility. I can understand that female chimps might appreciate shows of male strength which would reassure them that they had chosen a fit mate who would help them to produce fit offspring but how does being beaten in itself increase fertility? That makes no sense to me.

    I have read that approximately 5% of page views on porn sites are for gay porn. This is the same whether the page hits originate from places where there are large visible gay communities or rural places where there are fewer people who admit to being gay. Apparently there are, even in these more liberated times, a large # of men "on the down low" which amount to half of the gay iceberg.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @SFG

    I have read that approximately 5% of page views on porn sites are for gay porn. This is the same whether the page hits originate from places where there are large visible gay communities or rural places where there are fewer people who admit to being gay.

    Homos watch more porn, news at 11.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    Maybe, but the point is that while the % of openly gay people in say NY is higher than in Alabama, the % of porn views that are gay porn is constant, meaning that there is a subterranean gay community in rural states. It stands to reason that even today the total # of gay people is less than the # of people who will admit to being gay on a survey since there are still certain subcultures where being gay is stigmatized and people who are gay or bi won't publicly admit to it. Virtually 100% of Catholic priests would not admit to acting on their gay impulses after taking their vows but we know that's not true.

  151. @Jack D
    @John Derbyshire

    The old stereotype was that once Catholic girls escaped the confines of their overly strict homes and churches they would go hog wild with their newfound freedom. The fact that many Irish exhibit a fondness for drink does not contribute to impulse control either.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    The old stereotype was that once Catholic girls escaped the confines of their overly strict homes and churches they would go hog wild with their newfound freedom. The fact that many Irish exhibit a fondness for drink does not contribute to impulse control either.

    Hence the reason for the “overly” strict home and church regime in the first place, one supposes…

  152. @Twinkie
    @Bill P


    Ms. Jeong’s behavior can be partly explained by the peculiarities of Korean culture.
     
    Ugh, no. It can be explained by the peculiarities of the post-modern American culture, in which minorities badmouthing whites garners them brownie points from the Establishment.

    Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.
     
    In your fantasy, maybe. This isn’t the 1950’s. Korean women nowadays have their own jobs and money, and increasingly don’t have children. You have absolutely no clue what South Korea is like today.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    You have absolutely no clue what South Korea is like today.

    Please tell me SK looks like this:

    I want to believe!

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    You have to admire those girls ability to dance in perfect sync while pretending to sing in English. It only takes one person to make a slight mistake and it requires hours of extra work.

    Replies: @jim jones

  153. @TheBoom
    Fascinating analysis but assigns too much integrity to the journo elite by assuming they don't want these click bait haters of white people. Yeah, they probably would rather have more nuanced hatred of white people like their more traditional columnists but times change and the method of hating whites has to change with them. What is important is that the journalists hate white people.

    Jeong and her ilk are probably not like the Irish prudes in that, as Steve's prior post shows, Asian hatred of whites is an act. Asian cultures are real ends justify the means cultures as long as the end benefits the family. Asians see what they need to do to get ahead and do it. If loving whites was what it took, they would be portraying themselves as in love with everything white. As is, they quickly see that hating whitey is the game du jour so they enthusiastically hate whitey.

    That is why Derb is being naive when he thinks that there can be an ice people alliance. Asians see that the trend is anti white. They won't gain in the short term by aligning themselves with the losers, whites, except on issues like quotas where the whites help the Asians. If Jews start worrying about the power Asians and turn on them, then maybe Asians will regroup and allign with whites

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG

    Asians see that the trend is anti white. They won’t gain in the short term by aligning themselves with the losers, whites, except on issues like quotas where the whites help the Asians. If Jews start worrying about the power Asians and turn on them, then maybe Asians will regroup and allign [sp] with whites

    Implicit in your analysis is the idea that Jews are not white. In fact upper class whites and Jews and Asians are already aligned. They attend the same elite universities, work in the same law firm and banks, live in the same neighborhoods, marry each other. And they all (including, maybe especially, the WASPs) hate flyover state, gun toting lower class whites and would rather die than ally with them.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    In fact upper class whites and Jews and Asians are already aligned.
     
    As Razib Khan showed, among Asians, religion is strongly correlated to voting patterns, e,g. evangelical Asians vote for the GOP in the majority. That’s why with the Establishment “religiously other” Indians and atheist Chinese* are in and Christian Filipinos, Koreans, and Vietnamese are out (Jeong notwithstanding).

    This is also why in the past Mr. Sailer was so wrong about Indians being a good fit for the GOP (“due to their verbosity” or some such thing). Among Asians they are the most aligned with Jews and share their fear of, and contempt for, Christian whites. It’s not accidental, indeed, that Indians are the FASTEST growing group among Asians in the United States.

    Replies: @Jack D

  154. @James Forrestal
    @Almost Missouri


    Sometimes the ownership is direct such as with Carlos Slim and the NYT or Bezos and the WaPo.
     
    The NYT has been controlled by the (((Ochs/ Sulzberger))) family since 1896. Sure, Slim invested quite a few shekels in the Times. Though he later sold off about half:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/365763-mexican-billionaire-carlos-slim-sells-off-half-of-ny-times-shares

    But more importantly, no matter how many Class A (publicly traded) shares Slim (or anyone else) purchases, the Sulzbergers still control all of the Class B (super-voting) shares:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/opinion/nocera-how-punch-protected-the-times.html

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ny-times-shareholders-withhold-vote-chairman-defends-structure

    https://investors.nytco.com/investors/investor-resources/faqs/default.aspx

    Which means that the Sulzbergers get to choose 9 out of the 13 board members. Carlos Slim "controlling" the NYT is a boomer-tier false meme. Who represented the NYT in talking to Trump again?

    As far as WaPo goes, it's interesting to note that a few months after Bezos bought the Post, Amazon was awarded a $600 million contract for cloud computing... from the CIA. They weren't the low bidder. But everyone knows that the CIA only deals in espionage and covert operations overseas, not domestic propaganda, so I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri

    (((Ochs/ Sulzberger))) family .

    You can get rid of the parentheses. The Sulzbergers have been Episcopalians for 2 generations now and are at most 1/4 Jewish by blood and not Jewish at all according to Jewish law since all of the Sulzberger men have married non-Jews.

  155. @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    @Jack D


    I have read that approximately 5% of page views on porn sites are for gay porn. This is the same whether the page hits originate from places where there are large visible gay communities or rural places where there are fewer people who admit to being gay.
     
    Homos watch more porn, news at 11.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Maybe, but the point is that while the % of openly gay people in say NY is higher than in Alabama, the % of porn views that are gay porn is constant, meaning that there is a subterranean gay community in rural states. It stands to reason that even today the total # of gay people is less than the # of people who will admit to being gay on a survey since there are still certain subcultures where being gay is stigmatized and people who are gay or bi won’t publicly admit to it. Virtually 100% of Catholic priests would not admit to acting on their gay impulses after taking their vows but we know that’s not true.

  156. Uh-oh….according to the following link our favorite new NYT Editorial Board Member may have gone a bridge too far:

    http://matthewhopkinsnews.com/?p=6029

    Damaging a rape victim’s anonymity, while not a crime in the US, is generally considered to be a major breach of journalistic ethics…

  157. @JohnnyWalker123
    So you're saying that Sarah Jeong diddles herself to rape accusations by White Chad men?

    This is both funny and depressing at the same time.

    Sometimes I get the feeling that a large percentage of America's ruling class (journalists/media, politicians, intelligentsia, national security establishment, etc.) are afflicted by some degree of mental illness.

    I'm reminded of the old saying: "Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad. "

    Then again, is Sarah Jeong any more insane the rest of America's rulers?

    Weren't we recently told that Caitlyn Jenner is "stunning" and "beautiful"? How is Sarah Jeong any less insane than that?

    The video below happened. No, I'm not joking. The video below really did happen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYj4_-EroNo

    I'm not joking. That really did happen.

    If you feel like you're caught in an episode of the Twilight Zone, I empathize with you.

    This 1960 Twilight Zone episode seems to have foreshadowed our current reality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4qXGByp8DY

    Replies: @Danindc, @Cagey Beast, @Bubba, @Kylie, @Anon, @JudyBlumeSussman

    the late Andrea Dworkin’s obsession with the idea that men had nothing better to do than jump on her sweaty, dungaree-clad 200 pound firm

    Whoa, whoa … don’t forget Dworkin’s ogre head and pig face.

  158. @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    Frank liked to fuck and women liked Frank fucking them. Three kids with Big Nancy, he got Ava pregnant at least once, he acknowledged at least one illegitimate kid, and several others had abortions. So I’m sort of betting Ronan is his.

    Replies: @Jack D

    At the time that Ronan Farrow was conceived (March, 1987) Frank Sinatra was 71 years old and recovering from recent serious colon surgery. By that point, he looked more like Mia Farrow’s grandfather than a sex symbol.

    It strikes me that the universe of possible fathers for Ronan is larger than just 2 men. I have no idea who Mia Farrow was palling around with in those days but it could have been someone else besides these two. I really doubt that he is Woody Allen’s son but I also doubt that he is Frank’s either.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    It strikes me that the universe of possible fathers for Ronan is larger than just 2 men. I have no idea who Mia Farrow was palling around with in those days but it could have been someone else besides these two. I really doubt that he is Woody Allen’s son but I also doubt that he is Frank’s either.
     
    I agree with this, although I don't necessarily think Mia Farrow is/was especially promiscuous: in showbiz, real marital fidelity is pretty rare, there are always exceptions, temptations, stuff that happens this place stays there....

    Having said that, the odds he's Frank's, if not exceptionally high (there is no real telling save DNA testing-I wouldn't be surprised if Mia doesn't know!) are higher than appears on the surface. Ex-wives are often prone to "accommodating" former husbands. I have two current co-workers paying child support to their ex wives over a post-marriage pregnancy. Isn't nearly as rare as people think.
    , @PiltdownMan
    @Jack D


    By that point, he looked more like Mia Farrow’s grandfather than a sex symbol.
     
    To everyone else. However, in Mia's mind, he may well still have been the sex symbol that she had married, two decades previously, if only for an unguarded moment.

    Or, at least, that seems to be the implied basis of the popular speculation. It's hardly worth pursuing any further than that, though the resemblance to Frank Sinatra is indeed striking.

    , @Anonym
    @Jack D

    Sinatra got around. I personally know someone who slept with someone who slept with Sinatra. It's only one event, but...

    Replies: @res

  159. @Jack D
    @TheBoom


    Asians see that the trend is anti white. They won’t gain in the short term by aligning themselves with the losers, whites, except on issues like quotas where the whites help the Asians. If Jews start worrying about the power Asians and turn on them, then maybe Asians will regroup and allign [sp] with whites
     
    Implicit in your analysis is the idea that Jews are not white. In fact upper class whites and Jews and Asians are already aligned. They attend the same elite universities, work in the same law firm and banks, live in the same neighborhoods, marry each other. And they all (including, maybe especially, the WASPs) hate flyover state, gun toting lower class whites and would rather die than ally with them.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    In fact upper class whites and Jews and Asians are already aligned.

    As Razib Khan showed, among Asians, religion is strongly correlated to voting patterns, e,g. evangelical Asians vote for the GOP in the majority. That’s why with the Establishment “religiously other” Indians and atheist Chinese* are in and Christian Filipinos, Koreans, and Vietnamese are out (Jeong notwithstanding).

    This is also why in the past Mr. Sailer was so wrong about Indians being a good fit for the GOP (“due to their verbosity” or some such thing). Among Asians they are the most aligned with Jews and share their fear of, and contempt for, Christian whites. It’s not accidental, indeed, that Indians are the FASTEST growing group among Asians in the United States.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I don't think the Vietnamese are heavily Christian to begin with - the majority are either Buddhist or unaffiliated.

    Among the Koreans, yes the immigrant generation is heavily Christian evangelical but I don't get the feeling that American born Korean-American hipsters like Sarah with the orange hair are really hanging around evangelical churches that much.

    Of the 3 groups that you mentioned only the Filipinos I think really tend to take their religion seriously after the 1st generation.



    aligned with Jews and share their fear of, and contempt for, Christian whites
     
    American Jews show their contempt for Christian whites in a strange way, since 70% of them are selecting them for their spouses. The answer is that not all Christian whites are created equal. The type of Jews, Indians, E. Asians of all (or mostly no) religions that are found on elite campuses love (often literally) Goodwhites whom they consider to be their friends, peers and equals and hate, hate, hate Badwhites.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie

  160. @Pat Boyle
    There are several epistemological problems with sex. Our minds are not allowed to think about sex rationally.

    First of all is the matter of "free will". We are protoplasmic robots designed by evolution to reproduce. When we awake to sex at puberty we like to think we make decisions. But that's an illusion. Boys like girls because of their programming. If you are a homosexual that's programming too. No free will about sex. Sex and reproduction are too important to leave it to the individual organism.

    So it makes little sense to be proud to be straight or proud to be gay.

    Sex is cruel. We descended from our common ancestor with the chimpanzee about six or seven million years ago. Chimps are not nice. Gorillas are peaceable but chimps are nasty, violent and treacherous. Male chimps often beat the females before and doing sex. As it happens females who have been beaten thereby exhibit greater fertility. Then by standard Darwinian mechanisms the beaten female chimps out breed those not beaten. Over time the females who like being beaten come to predominate.

    In this way, male cruelty (sexual sadism) has endured among chimps and humans. We speak of the homosexual incidence as around 2%, But human BDSM is probably around 30%. Unfortunately the topic is so radioactive no one dares investigate.

    Male dominance is probably the 'natural' way for the sexes to behave. The current feminism ideas are probably a passing fancy like Victorian sexual practices. Girls like strong men. Many of them want to be spanked.

    Get ready for change.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG, @Thea, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    The most recent stuff I’ve seen had 30% of the population with BDSM fantasies, so yeah, you’re probably about right. Keep in mind that includes ‘spanking and furry handcuffs’ and the sort of light 50-shades-of-grey stuff that’s become fashionable among the urban millennials. The number of people into diapers and blood play is likely a lot smaller.

    I think it’s more that dominant men are bound to be rough, and it made sense to sleep with a guy with some capacity for violence throughout much of human history, because you wanted your kids to be able to fight. Now that men have to act like such herbs to avoid MeToo charges, it makes sense there’s a large pent-up demand for Heathcliff.

  161. @Cagey Beast
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Meanwhile in Russia:

    https://i.imgur.com/mEf3xjg.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpYmwy5tLZQ

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Jack D

    I don’t understand. Russia is this wonderful 100% white country filled with beautiful 100% white nationalistic people but their GDP is at Mexican levels (and would be even lower if they did not have oil exports since the country doesn’t really produce much of anything else that is of export quality) and their other stats (life expectancy, birth rate, rate of alcoholism, murder rate, etc.) also mostly suck too. How do the race mongrels of America (who kneel in shame every time they hear the national anthem) beat the pure white Russians?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    Russians are 'asiatic' mongels. They got turkic blood too.

    And WWI, WWII, and communism killed off too much talent.
    And US and EU place sanctions.

    The US lives on Anglo legacy. Once it goes more brown, it will become more like brazil.

    , @Cagey Beast
    @Jack D

    Russia is this wonderful 100% white country filled with beautiful 100% white nationalistic people ...

    - Russia is full of Russians and other nationalities. Questions about someone being "100% White" or not arose in the New World; it doesn't make sense in Russia. Russia is what it is.

    ... but their GDP is at Mexican levels ...

    - But they're getting better. What would our GDP growth rate look like in the West if we hadn't transformed ourselves into a massive Ponzi scheme? What would we look like if we hadn't faked growth by importing 3rd World immigrants and letting our level of debt float off into the stratosphere? In other words, how real and how durable is our wealth when compared to Russia's?

    How do the race mongrels of America ... beat the pure white Russians?

    - How well is America doing at winning wars, building bridges or putting astronauts into space? How happy are Americans? How happy are they in the sense it was meant by the phrase "the pursuit of happiness"*? Which country seems to be flourishing over the last 20yrs and which one seems to be twisted in on itself? My own country (Canada) is just sort of drifting, so I'm not claiming any superiority on that score.


    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudaimonia

  162. @Jack D
    @Pat Boyle


    females who have been beaten thereby exhibit greater fertility
     
    What is the mechanism? It's hard to understand how taking a pounding would increase your fertility. I can understand that female chimps might appreciate shows of male strength which would reassure them that they had chosen a fit mate who would help them to produce fit offspring but how does being beaten in itself increase fertility? That makes no sense to me.

    I have read that approximately 5% of page views on porn sites are for gay porn. This is the same whether the page hits originate from places where there are large visible gay communities or rural places where there are fewer people who admit to being gay. Apparently there are, even in these more liberated times, a large # of men "on the down low" which amount to half of the gay iceberg.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @SFG

    Some of them are probably bi. I suspect the small number of male bisexuals has to do with the fact that women don’t want to sleep with men with gay experience because they’re afraid of getting HIV, whereas lots of men hear a woman is bi and think, “threesome!”.

    (Ironically this is a non-feminist reason for the spread of bisexual behavior among women; if it helps you get men, it can be explained pretty easily by normal evolutionary mechanisms.)

  163. @Reg Cæsar
    Eight of Steve's last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?

    Replies: @BEER/ we're all going to die, @RoryBellowsLives, @Anon, @Mitchell Porter, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes, @FPD72, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Mr. Blank

    Fifty Shades of iSteve: The Rape Fantasy

    The Story of O, O, O, White Man! Gimme that privilege, Daddy!

    Hell hath no fury like a feminazi/SJW debunked.

    • LOL: BB753
  164. @TheBoom
    Fascinating analysis but assigns too much integrity to the journo elite by assuming they don't want these click bait haters of white people. Yeah, they probably would rather have more nuanced hatred of white people like their more traditional columnists but times change and the method of hating whites has to change with them. What is important is that the journalists hate white people.

    Jeong and her ilk are probably not like the Irish prudes in that, as Steve's prior post shows, Asian hatred of whites is an act. Asian cultures are real ends justify the means cultures as long as the end benefits the family. Asians see what they need to do to get ahead and do it. If loving whites was what it took, they would be portraying themselves as in love with everything white. As is, they quickly see that hating whitey is the game du jour so they enthusiastically hate whitey.

    That is why Derb is being naive when he thinks that there can be an ice people alliance. Asians see that the trend is anti white. They won't gain in the short term by aligning themselves with the losers, whites, except on issues like quotas where the whites help the Asians. If Jews start worrying about the power Asians and turn on them, then maybe Asians will regroup and allign with whites

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG

    More likely you’re going to get East Asians intermarrying into the Jewish-WASP-Indian soup at Harvard, etc. I already know one Chinese guy who married an Indian-Jewish mix. We’ll eventually have a multiracial ‘Jeurasian’ (as the GNXP guys put it somewhere) overclass lording it over an increasingly mixed blue collar white-Hispanic-black underclass (I think they had this one as ‘Redblex’), ESPECIALLY with the ‘flight from white’ Steve has described. Other groups like Vietnamese, etc. will mix into the soup at different levels.

    So racial mystery meat at all levels, but with different ingredients depending on the social class. Big noses and epicanthic folds on the upper classes, frizzy hair and generally darker skin on the lower classes.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @SFG

    I don't see American blacks disappearing as a group. Even in places like Brazil where the average white person is a little bit black, there are still people who are distinctly black. I think there is more potential for Latinos to intermarry with whites since most Latinos are starting out at least 1/2 white already.

    And certain groups will remain racially isolated for religious or cultural reasons at least for a couple of more generations. We know that the Pakis in the UK keep going back for their cousins back home even after several generations.

    Replies: @Karl

  165. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    In fact upper class whites and Jews and Asians are already aligned.
     
    As Razib Khan showed, among Asians, religion is strongly correlated to voting patterns, e,g. evangelical Asians vote for the GOP in the majority. That’s why with the Establishment “religiously other” Indians and atheist Chinese* are in and Christian Filipinos, Koreans, and Vietnamese are out (Jeong notwithstanding).

    This is also why in the past Mr. Sailer was so wrong about Indians being a good fit for the GOP (“due to their verbosity” or some such thing). Among Asians they are the most aligned with Jews and share their fear of, and contempt for, Christian whites. It’s not accidental, indeed, that Indians are the FASTEST growing group among Asians in the United States.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I don’t think the Vietnamese are heavily Christian to begin with – the majority are either Buddhist or unaffiliated.

    Among the Koreans, yes the immigrant generation is heavily Christian evangelical but I don’t get the feeling that American born Korean-American hipsters like Sarah with the orange hair are really hanging around evangelical churches that much.

    Of the 3 groups that you mentioned only the Filipinos I think really tend to take their religion seriously after the 1st generation.

    aligned with Jews and share their fear of, and contempt for, Christian whites

    American Jews show their contempt for Christian whites in a strange way, since 70% of them are selecting them for their spouses. The answer is that not all Christian whites are created equal. The type of Jews, Indians, E. Asians of all (or mostly no) religions that are found on elite campuses love (often literally) Goodwhites whom they consider to be their friends, peers and equals and hate, hate, hate Badwhites.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    @Jack D


    American Jews show their contempt for Christian whites in a strange way, since 70% of them are selecting them for their spouses.
     
    Any Turk with the means would seek to purchase slave girls captured from Christian lands.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    I don’t think the Vietnamese are heavily Christian to begin with – the majority are either Buddhist or unaffiliated.
     
    They may be one-tenth to one-sixth of Vietnam-- and who knows how many more are in the closet-- but a third to a half of the Vietnamese in America. The Catholics here are having larger families than the Protestants, Buddhists, or secularists, if my old inner city church's school was any indication.

    The dumb white neighbor in my old 'hood told me his family went to "Vietnam church", so they're an example of a mixed marriage upping the immigrant church's numbers rather than the natives'. (His sons were rather smart for their age, though. Dad may just be socially awkward rather than stupid.)
    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I don’t think the Vietnamese are heavily Christian to begin with – the majority are either Buddhist or unaffiliated.
     
    As with the Lebanese, Christian Vietnamese families were much more likely to escape Vietnam, for obvious reasons. Both Koreans and Vietnamese also appreciated the strong anti-communism of the GOP during the Cold War.

    I don’t get the feeling that American born Korean-American hipsters like Sarah with the orange hair are really hanging around evangelical churches that much.
     
    Your feeling notwithstanding, Sarah Jeong is not the only type of American-born Korean. See: http://religion.ssrc.org/reforum/Kim.pdf

    To wit:

    One out of four Evangelical college students at New York City colleges and universities are Asian American (Carnes and Yang 2004; Sax et al. 1997). At Harvard, Asian Americans constitute 70 percent of the Harvard Radcliffe Christian Fellowship, and given the popularity of Evangelical Christian fellowships, one can easily spot students who proudly don t-shirts with phrases like “the Asian Awakening” (Chang 2000: 1). At Yale, Campus Crusade for Christ is 90 percent Asian, whereas twenty years ago it was 100 percent white. On the West Coast, the Asian American membership at Stanford’s InterVarsity Christian Fellowship (IVCF) from 1989 to 1999, increased by 84 percent, compared to a 31 percent increase in its overall membership (Busto 1996). Meanwhile, UC Berkeley and UCLA have more than fifty Asian Christian fellowships and most of their members are Asian American (Busto 1996; Chang 2000; Hong 2000). UCLA alone has more than ten Korean Christian related fellowships. On most college campuses, you have a far better chance of finding a Chinese Christian fellowship than a Chinese Buddhist club.
     
    I belonged to the Campus Crusade for Christ as an undergraduate, and it was basically made up of white athletes from the Midwest and the South and Koreans.

    American Jews show their contempt for Christian whites in a strange way, since 70% of them are selecting them for their spouses.
     
    When Jews and gentile whites intermarry, the children generally seem to identify as Jewish whereas when Asians and whites intermarry, the children often identify as white. Tiger Mom Amy Chua’s children are on record as stating that they “are Jewish and only are Chinese in food...” Both Jews and Asians intermarry, but one of them is expanding the tribe while the other is assimilating.

    The type of Jews, Indians, E. Asians of all (or mostly no) religions that are found on elite campuses love (often literally) Goodwhites whom they consider to be their friends, peers and equals and hate, hate, hate Badwhites.
     
    East Asians (and Vietnamese and Filipinos) hang out with “Badwhites” a lot more than Jews and Indians do, because they go to church with them and serve in the military together. It’s not a coincidence that those three Asian groups have the highest rates of assimilation while Indians have the lowest among Asians.

    Why do you think the Harvard admissions is favoring “Indians, Nepalis...” and not Koreans?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hail

  166. @SFG
    @TheBoom

    More likely you're going to get East Asians intermarrying into the Jewish-WASP-Indian soup at Harvard, etc. I already know one Chinese guy who married an Indian-Jewish mix. We'll eventually have a multiracial 'Jeurasian' (as the GNXP guys put it somewhere) overclass lording it over an increasingly mixed blue collar white-Hispanic-black underclass (I think they had this one as 'Redblex'), ESPECIALLY with the 'flight from white' Steve has described. Other groups like Vietnamese, etc. will mix into the soup at different levels.

    So racial mystery meat at all levels, but with different ingredients depending on the social class. Big noses and epicanthic folds on the upper classes, frizzy hair and generally darker skin on the lower classes.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I don’t see American blacks disappearing as a group. Even in places like Brazil where the average white person is a little bit black, there are still people who are distinctly black. I think there is more potential for Latinos to intermarry with whites since most Latinos are starting out at least 1/2 white already.

    And certain groups will remain racially isolated for religious or cultural reasons at least for a couple of more generations. We know that the Pakis in the UK keep going back for their cousins back home even after several generations.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Jack D

    144 Jack D > We know that the Pakis in the UK keep going back for their cousins back home even after several generations

    if you knew you that at your age, you could STILL get a 16-17 year old wife, then you too, would be on a jet plane to Beit Shean

  167. @Jack D
    @Cagey Beast

    I don't understand. Russia is this wonderful 100% white country filled with beautiful 100% white nationalistic people but their GDP is at Mexican levels (and would be even lower if they did not have oil exports since the country doesn't really produce much of anything else that is of export quality) and their other stats (life expectancy, birth rate, rate of alcoholism, murder rate, etc.) also mostly suck too. How do the race mongrels of America (who kneel in shame every time they hear the national anthem) beat the pure white Russians?

    Replies: @Anon, @Cagey Beast

    Russians are ‘asiatic’ mongels. They got turkic blood too.

    And WWI, WWII, and communism killed off too much talent.
    And US and EU place sanctions.

    The US lives on Anglo legacy. Once it goes more brown, it will become more like brazil.

  168. @Anonymous
    Hitchcock said while making "The Birds," apparently only half-facetiously, that he subscribed to the dramatic-efficiency advice of Victorien Sardou: "Torture the women" (i.e. 51-plus percent of movie audiences). And I, for one, believe the old fat bastard knew whereof he spake.

    Is it not major, catastrophic, DEFCON 1 enstupidation that we already waste *this* much time debating how policy/consumer-capitalism should more slavishly cater to women's whims and psychological insecurities, which yet never seems to be enough? Also, give it a rest with pseudo-insights on women's "rape fantasies" unless you're going to ponder that notorious male fetish for 60-hour-work-week, penny-pinching, subsisting-on-Ramen lifestyle, you know, "wealth fantasies." If women can be said to dream about being raped then it's with equivalent seriousness to their dreams of dabbling in the career of a high-class call girl. Maybe you saw that really gritty Julia Roberts movie about it.

    Replies: @Karl, @Hockamaw, @Jack D, @Brady

    Hitchcock takes the torture of women to another level in his next to last movie, Frenzy, which concerns a necktie murderer who rapes and strangles his victims (and the strangulations are graphically depicted on screen – the camera does not cut away) . One of his biographers called one of these scenes “one of the most repellent examples of a detailed murder in the history of film”.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jack D


    Hitchcock takes the torture of women to another level in his next to last movie, Frenzy
     
    Hitchcock was a sick bastard. It is easy to imagine Whiskey making the same movies were he similarly situated. I assumed that Hitchcock's enablers knew this, but averted their gaze to ride the gravy train. OTOH the Brits, for all their supposed proximity to us, are somewhat opaque. They might have thought Hitchcock was a capital fellow. Brits seem to be at least a half bubble off center, and often pressed up to one side or the other of the level.

    The Brits are unbalanced.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Jack D

  169. @Clifford Brown

    Overall, I suspect that the likes of the Sulzbergers are privately humiliated by being forced to scrape this particular quality barrel in order to stay solvent but what can they do? Appealing to smart readers with smart journalists is just too expensive so they have to make do.
     
    Some solid analysis, but I think this last paragraph does not apply to the current Sulzberger running the Times. I think generations ago, the Sulzbergers had a sense of dignity and shame in which the current violent ignorance embraced by the Times would be deeply embarrassing.

    Sadly, those days are over. The current Sulzberger generation is decadent, ignorant and lacks any historical perspective.

    The Sulzbergers are out for blood and revolution. They will settle for nothing less.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The Sulzbergers are out for blood and revolution.

    Why wouldn’t they – they have nothing to lose but their chains. Oh, no wait, they have a lot to lose and really want to keep things the way they are, with a globalized elite (membership in which is governed by class and education and not race) presiding over the masses who are too dumb to govern themselves and need the wise counsel of the globo-elites to tell them what to do. As the masses become browner and more diverse, it is necessary to include some people who LOOK like the masses (but THINK like the elites) in the elites for appearances sake. Obama was a prime example.

  170. @Jack D
    @Cagey Beast

    I don't understand. Russia is this wonderful 100% white country filled with beautiful 100% white nationalistic people but their GDP is at Mexican levels (and would be even lower if they did not have oil exports since the country doesn't really produce much of anything else that is of export quality) and their other stats (life expectancy, birth rate, rate of alcoholism, murder rate, etc.) also mostly suck too. How do the race mongrels of America (who kneel in shame every time they hear the national anthem) beat the pure white Russians?

    Replies: @Anon, @Cagey Beast

    Russia is this wonderful 100% white country filled with beautiful 100% white nationalistic people …

    – Russia is full of Russians and other nationalities. Questions about someone being “100% White” or not arose in the New World; it doesn’t make sense in Russia. Russia is what it is.

    … but their GDP is at Mexican levels …

    – But they’re getting better. What would our GDP growth rate look like in the West if we hadn’t transformed ourselves into a massive Ponzi scheme? What would we look like if we hadn’t faked growth by importing 3rd World immigrants and letting our level of debt float off into the stratosphere? In other words, how real and how durable is our wealth when compared to Russia’s?

    How do the race mongrels of America … beat the pure white Russians?

    – How well is America doing at winning wars, building bridges or putting astronauts into space? How happy are Americans? How happy are they in the sense it was meant by the phrase “the pursuit of happiness”*? Which country seems to be flourishing over the last 20yrs and which one seems to be twisted in on itself? My own country (Canada) is just sort of drifting, so I’m not claiming any superiority on that score.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudaimonia

  171. @PapayaSF
    Somewhat off-topic but related to the enriching effects of immigration, check out this page, especially the table at the bottom:

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/25-defendants-charged-manhattan-federal-court-multimillion-dollar-wire-fraud-and-money

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, I’ll post.

  172. @Pat Boyle
    There are several epistemological problems with sex. Our minds are not allowed to think about sex rationally.

    First of all is the matter of "free will". We are protoplasmic robots designed by evolution to reproduce. When we awake to sex at puberty we like to think we make decisions. But that's an illusion. Boys like girls because of their programming. If you are a homosexual that's programming too. No free will about sex. Sex and reproduction are too important to leave it to the individual organism.

    So it makes little sense to be proud to be straight or proud to be gay.

    Sex is cruel. We descended from our common ancestor with the chimpanzee about six or seven million years ago. Chimps are not nice. Gorillas are peaceable but chimps are nasty, violent and treacherous. Male chimps often beat the females before and doing sex. As it happens females who have been beaten thereby exhibit greater fertility. Then by standard Darwinian mechanisms the beaten female chimps out breed those not beaten. Over time the females who like being beaten come to predominate.

    In this way, male cruelty (sexual sadism) has endured among chimps and humans. We speak of the homosexual incidence as around 2%, But human BDSM is probably around 30%. Unfortunately the topic is so radioactive no one dares investigate.

    Male dominance is probably the 'natural' way for the sexes to behave. The current feminism ideas are probably a passing fancy like Victorian sexual practices. Girls like strong men. Many of them want to be spanked.

    Get ready for change.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG, @Thea, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Feminism can be interpreted as a collective cry by (many) women to be put back in place. Roissy calls it a sh*t test.

  173. @academic gossip
    The AltRabbi said, about another Asian girl brouhaha :

    This is what Jewish subversion would look like without the high verbal ability.
     
    The ramblings of Jeong and her ilk read like a current-year, millenial careerist, poisonously hostile version of Kathy Change (an Asian Bronx Science alumna gone nuts). A stream of free-floating, fungible SJW boilerplate, mixed with a liberal dose of crazy.

    I want to protest the present government and economic system and the cynicism and passivity of the people…as emphatically as I can. But primarily, I want to get publicity in order to draw attention to my proposal for immediate social transformation. To do this I plan to end my own life. The attention of the media is only caught by acts of violence. My moral principles prevent me from doing harm to anyone else or their property, so I must perform this act of violence against myself. . . . It is a waste of energy to get angry and gripe at the government. The government must be replaced with a truly democratic self-government of, for and by the people. Those working in industries essential to maintaining life should democratically take over their workplaces and organize an emergency economy to supply the needs of the people. The rest of the people should meet in their communities to organize a new directly democratic community-based self-government. ....

    "[I] need to do something sensational that will make headline news and people will have to stop and talk about me and the message that I'm trying to put out."
     
    (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Change )

    Speaking of Bronx Science, here is a tragicomic piece of iSteve intersectionality. An Asian-American Chappaquiddick, featuring a family of Asian politicians, immigrant corruption, Asian graduates of NYC exam schools, a protest against White Privilege, and fraternity rituals getting out of hand.

    In December 2013, prospective member Chun Hsien "Michael" Deng died from brain trauma due to suspected [fraternity] hazing ... Deng, 18 was a recent graduate of The Bronx High School of Science.[10] Deng and four other pledges wore 30 lb. backpacks filled with sand while members of the fraternity tackled them during a ritual known as "The Glass Ceiling," which represented Asian American struggle in the United States. Despite Deng becoming immediately unconscious, his fraternity brothers failed to call for emergency help, instead attempting to cover up the incident.[11] ... Deng's parent's had filed a lawsuit against the fraternity, including Meng, who is the younger brother of U.S. representative [and Stuyvesant High School alumna] Grace Meng.[15] When Deng lost consciousness his fraternity brothers called Meng who allegedly told them to conceal any evidence of the fraternity before calling the authorities.[16] Andrew Meng is facing charges of hazing, conspiracy and hindering apprehension.[18]

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_Delta_Psi#Hazing_incident

    Grace is the daughter of Jimmy Meng. Like JFK, Jimmy won an election using "ghost voters".

    Google Translate of Jimmy Meng's interview about his vote fraud scandal:

    The Post also refers to Queens District Prosecutor Brown to investigate whether the incident involves [vote] fraud. Meng Guangrui pointed out that he did not know about these so-called "ghost voters", and many of the incidents were unfounded. He did not want to talk more, so as not to be more and more black.
     

    Replies: @Twinkie, @jim jones, @Jack D

    pledges wore 30 lb. backpacks filled with sand while members of the fraternity tackled them during a ritual known as “The Glass Ceiling,” which represented Asian American struggle in the United States.

    You really can’t make this shit up. If I wrote a piece of non-satirical fiction in which this happened, people would criticize my fiction for being over the top and unrealistic.

    Did the tacklers wear whiteface while they did this? Trump masks? How long has this been going on and does it go on with other minorities? I’ve never heard of anything like this for a Jewish frat – Jewish frat hazing is just like any other frat hazing. Connecting it to any kind of socio-political agenda is the farthest thing from anyone’s mind. If pledges are getting paddled, that’s just because that’s how it has always been done. Jews don’t pretend that they are being beaten by Egyptians or Nazis or re-enact the blackballing of their grandfathers from Merion Cricket Club, at least they didn’t in the past. God knows what craziness goes on on campus in 2018.

    • Replies: @academic gossip
    @Jack D

    It's like a scene from a Mel Brooks adaptation of a Tom Wolfe novel. A perfect szyzygy of iSteve topics.

  174. @Anonymous
    Unmentioned in all of this is the extraordinary east Asian belief in magic - particularly imitative magic - and superstition of all kinds, which seems to be so deeply engrained in the psyche as to be almost genetic in origin. These days the magical thinking is often subliminated and manifests itself in all manner of unexpected ways.

    If you will bear with me.....

    Witness, for example, the extraordinary success and fervor of Christianity in Korea, of all the denominations - even including the Rev. Moon's eccentric brand. A creed prior to 1950 which was totally alien and unknown to Koreans. The inference is that Koreans fanatically adopted the faith - the religion of the American occupiers - more or less in the belief that it would make them, materially at least, 'more American' in the sense of the occupiers trappings of wealth, technology and power, in the way of imitative magic, the effect not the cause.

    Also witness, the apparent speed and totality of junking what was 'traditionally Korean' from wearing apparel to architecture in favor of the outward show of Americanism.
    Here again we see the ancient engrained belief, the cargo cult, if you will, that one acquires the desideratum by imitating the outward show, and thence 'magically' it will flow.

    If modern PC whipped Totem Pole/Economist America has a State Religion - the most zealous acolytes of that religion, according to imitative magic get the goodies - then it is 'Shitting on White Men'.That's the Royal if not Holy road to sanctity - and riches.
    All Ms. Yeong was doing in her good old primeval Tungus shaman way was to out-imitate the standard NYT/Economist party line in the expectation of bumper goodies from the Totem Pole gods.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Twinkie, @Jack D

    South Korea especially is a brand new society. The Japanese had unmoored Korea from it traditional connections to China almost a century earlier but when they left at the end of WWII they were such hated occupiers that they could not form a model for the future (the Koreans could not admit to themselves that they were like the hated Japanese in any way, even though they were ). The South was always the more rural part and the war destroyed Seoul. The end of the war was like year zero for Korea and modeling their new society (somewhat) on America was not a bad choice – you can’t argue with the results. The North, modeled on Stalin’s Soviet Union, turned out a LOT worse.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    That America and this America are worlds apart. Thats why everything sucks for Ms Jeong.

    Replies: @Jack D

  175. @Bill P
    Ms. Jeong's behavior can be partly explained by the peculiarities of Korean culture. Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.

    Men who don't behave as expected are subjected to what Roissy would call "shit tests," which involve insults, deprecation both subtle and overt, and psychological emasculation. Korean women even go after their sons in this manner, which goes some way toward explaining the volcanic rage that has led a number of young Korean men to go on shooting rampages.

    My bet is that Ms. Jeong has had some intense but dysfunctional relationships with white men that have left her cultural expectations unfulfilled. The problem being that Western men don't dominate so much as they patronize women, which to Koreans is weird and aggravating.

    Her response has been to hurl insults at white men in order to goad them into a properly wrathful and dominant attitude toward her. This is to be expected from Korean women. The only way to get them to stop is to give in and treat them like a doormat.

    It sounds worse to Westerners than it really is. For the most part it involves ritual submission; one Korean woman I worked with in China proudly described how she washed her husband's feet every day when he came home from work. I found this puzzling, but she insisted that she really enjoyed serving him in this manner, and I didn't detect any hint of resentment in her expression, but rather the opposite.

    There is a darker side, however; apparently wife-beating is common among Koreans, but they take that in stride and most agree that it is usually due to wifely misbehavior or rebelliousness.

    So, as academics would say, one should view Ms. Jeong's outbursts "through the lens" of her native culture and try to sympathize. All she really wants, after all, is for the objects of her affection to treat her the way a proper Korean lady ought to be treated.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Sid, @Yevardian, @Jack D, @White Guy In Japan, @MBlanc46, @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t think that is what is going on at all in the American raised Sarah. What is going on is that Sarah is both the beneficiary (Harvard Law) and victim of Asian tiger parenting. This drives Asian-American kids to amazing feats of academic performance but also leaves some of them psychologically damaged by the Asian parenting techniques which include things like putting your kids in stress positions as punishment.

  176. “…he belongs to a society who do nothing but senshure all of the photoplays. So they cut out all of the pieces out of all the photoplays that show things that are riskay, that people ought not to look at. So then they put all the riskay pieces together and they run them over and over again.”

    Lorelei Lee in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, on her admirer and eventual husband, Henry Spoffard

  177. @dcite

    Sex is cruel. We descended from our common ancestor with the chimpanzee about six or seven million years ago. Chimps are not nice. Gorillas are peaceable but chimps are nasty, violent and treacherous. Male chimps often beat the females before and doing sex. As it happens females who have been beaten thereby exhibit greater fertility.
     
    Sounds like someone who might enjoy the adrenochrome plantation. Apparently the Cool People Who Drive the PTB, are into adrenal fluid drained from the cortex of a tortured and terrified person gives a great high and doesn't actually depend on sex. Urban legend schmended maybe, but who couldda thunk it up? On topic, Koreans used to be dogs to death because it made the meat taste better. We're still in strange days.
    In any case, did you check with Jane Goodall? I don't recall that nugget. Sure you didn't fantasize it? Wife beating was distinctly declasse in most of European history, and an English woman could shame a husband in the public view for that, even in the early 18th century, according to a famous novel I once read, maybe by Defoe but not sure. Either sex is capable of sadism. But it is usually a bad idea. The idea that beaten women are more fertile is so bizar and so conducive of producing more psychopaths and violent thugs that....well, maybe you just described some cultures.
    It's something we should evolve away from and not all animals exhibit that behavior anyway. Who needs more children brought up with all that.
    Civilizations with a literature have produced vast compendiums on the arts of love and sex. It's what's called civilization and being human. We are not animals. That is a component of our nature, but we can go farther. It seems that some people muse with nostalgia on the worst we can be.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D

    Apparently the Cool People Who Drive the PTB, are into adrenal fluid drained from the cortex of a tortured and terrified person gives a great high

    Mostly in the scene in “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas” in which Raoul Duke and his Samoan attorney terrify the poor cop from the hinterlands with tales of all the teenage girls who have been abducted out of the drive-thru window at the Malibu McDonalds and dismembered by adrenal gland crazed gangs.

    Perhaps someone should alert the Gorilla Mindset guy? He’ll figure out for us how it’s tied to Hillary …

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    @Steve Sailer


    He’ll figure out for us how it’s tied to Hillary …
     
    A Hillary connection would not be surprising in the least.
  178. @Anon
    Which brings me to this Jeong lady and the likes of Sabrina Rubin Eardley, Lena Dunham etc, whose writings demonstrate, inter alia, an almost feral obsession with rape

    In the case of Erderly, I think it was ethnic animus, pure and simple. Now, Coakley the nutjob is a different matter.

    The most demented case is the bed-dragger Emma 'Fuc* Me in the Butt' Sulkowicz. And then the video she made. In a sane society, she'd be committed.

    We live in strange times. A million women protesting Trump the pussy grabber by wearing pussy hats or pussy costumes.

    Can you imagine a million guys wearing ball-hats to protest Hillary the ball-buster?

    Replies: @Karl

    51 [191] > Now, Coakley the nutjob is a different matter

    she ended up where she always belonged…. the loyal housewife of some lower-middle working class white kid

    I blame the high school counselers who convinced her that she had anything to gain by going to University

  179. @Steve Sailer
    @dcite

    Apparently the Cool People Who Drive the PTB, are into adrenal fluid drained from the cortex of a tortured and terrified person gives a great high

    Mostly in the scene in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" in which Raoul Duke and his Samoan attorney terrify the poor cop from the hinterlands with tales of all the teenage girls who have been abducted out of the drive-thru window at the Malibu McDonalds and dismembered by adrenal gland crazed gangs.

    Perhaps someone should alert the Gorilla Mindset guy? He'll figure out for us how it's tied to Hillary ...

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    He’ll figure out for us how it’s tied to Hillary …

    A Hillary connection would not be surprising in the least.

  180. @Anon
    In one sense, Jeong is very pro-American, even all-American.

    Patton said Americans love a winner.

    https://youtu.be/CCA6uxQE-bw?t=1m41s

    "Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time."

    So, that is the basis of Americanism. By those standards, why would anyone respect current white Americans? White Christians who founded and built this nation allowed the Jews, 2% of the population, to take over all elite institutions and monopolize many key industries. Even though Jews beat on whites all the time, whites suck up to Jewish power and praise Israel 24/7. Even big tough Donald Trump, though constantly attacked by Jews, grovels to the likes of Adelson and Netanyahu and fully supports Zionist crushing of Palestinians.

    White Americans let blacks enter sports and totally kick white butt. Whites were beaten in boxing, basketball, football. They are bench-warmers or cucky sports fans who cheer black guys who beat whites and sexually conquer white women. When blacks go around beating up whites in schools and streets, but whites never come together. When white monuments are torn down, there is no white protest. If anything, the most passionate whites are those are committed to 'punching nazis'. Even Paul Ryan, leader of GOP in Congress, berates any sign of white identity but is sooooooo very proud of the 3% of him that is Jewish. Mitt Romney praised Antifa that attacked young rightists. Popular culture often portrays black men as cool and white men as silly white boys dufus dorks. Whites don't complain. If anything, white boys listen to rap songs and wiggle their ass to lyrics, 'suck my black dic*'. Even red state Texas is run by the likes of Bush Dynasty who welcome more Mexicans who vote Democratic. Jeb Bush says illegals are patriots and love this country.

    White race has turned into an utter disgrace, a bunch of f***ing losers. By American standards of AMERICANS LOVE A WINNER AND WILL NOT TOLERATE A LOSER, isn't Sarah Jeong's tweets very 'American'? She loves winners of the Current Power and Idolatry: Jews, Homos, and blacks. She feels contempt for weakling whites.

    Indeed, even so much of Jeong-bashing is pathetic in a way. After all, she's small potatoes, a tool, a useful idiot, a toady, and dog. Who made her like this? Let's consider the CONTEXT since we are told context is so important. She was raised with PC education and entertainment by Harvard and Hollywood dominated by Jews. She is the contextual product of globo-homo PC that dominates US media, academia, and entertainment.

    So, all those big tough patriots who never had the courage to speak truth to Jewish(or Negro or Homo) power but are now bashing Jeong like she's some outlier, that is BS. It's stupid to bark back at a dog if you don't have the guts to confront the master who trained the dog to be that way.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hockamaw

    LOL – your name is Anon[425] and you are lecturing everyone else about speaking truth to power.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    How much do you get for your hasbara operation?

  181. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I don't think the Vietnamese are heavily Christian to begin with - the majority are either Buddhist or unaffiliated.

    Among the Koreans, yes the immigrant generation is heavily Christian evangelical but I don't get the feeling that American born Korean-American hipsters like Sarah with the orange hair are really hanging around evangelical churches that much.

    Of the 3 groups that you mentioned only the Filipinos I think really tend to take their religion seriously after the 1st generation.



    aligned with Jews and share their fear of, and contempt for, Christian whites
     
    American Jews show their contempt for Christian whites in a strange way, since 70% of them are selecting them for their spouses. The answer is that not all Christian whites are created equal. The type of Jews, Indians, E. Asians of all (or mostly no) religions that are found on elite campuses love (often literally) Goodwhites whom they consider to be their friends, peers and equals and hate, hate, hate Badwhites.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie

    American Jews show their contempt for Christian whites in a strange way, since 70% of them are selecting them for their spouses.

    Any Turk with the means would seek to purchase slave girls captured from Christian lands.

  182. @WowJustWow
    @Dave Pinsen

    There's nothing predictable about Woody's neurotic mind. There's certainly enough room in there to accommodate both spite and titillation at the thought of being cucked.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    In Woodys milieu it doesn’t really count as being cucked if it’s Frank Sinatra.

  183. @Jack D

    the fact that with the media’s profitability in free fall, it’s much harder for the like of the Times and the Post to compete for graduate talent with law and accounting firms, Wall Street, Silicon Valley etc, meaning that the typical younger journalist like Ezra Klein or Ronan (née Satchel) Farrow is a resentful mediocrity who couldn’t hack it in a more lucrative field
     
    I think the opposite is true. Back in my day, it was pretty much unheard of for someone to pay for 3 years of Harvard Law School and then take a journalism job unrelated to the law. Even now what Sarah did is strange - half of all law school grads can't get jobs as lawyers but these folks are usually from bottom end law schools. Journalism salaries were never competitive with Wall Street or Big Law.

    The flip side of the collapse in media is that the few remaining outlets are even more prestigious in elite circles - at this point Sarah is the envy of her law school classmates who are chained to a desk writing briefs or contracts 70 hrs./ week while she is a glamourous NY Times columnist. However, she has a 1 in a million job - most journalists will never sit on the NY Times editorial board even after a lifetime.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @bomag, @The Practical Conservative

    Harvard law’s alumni database doesn’t list her as a graduate and Sarah Jeong’s never said she graduated, merely attended. “Trained as a lawyer” is the most recent spin in her online bios. It’s not likely she did the full three years, based on what little evidence of her attendance is out there.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @The Practical Conservative

    I am not surprised to hear this. I would also not be surprised to hear that she quit due to mental breakdown. I would also not be surprised if she had at least suicidal ideations if not suicide attempts. Asians can usually hack the academics (they will do whatever it takes to hack the academics) but they will sometimes crack under the stress of doing so.

  184. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    South Korea especially is a brand new society. The Japanese had unmoored Korea from it traditional connections to China almost a century earlier but when they left at the end of WWII they were such hated occupiers that they could not form a model for the future (the Koreans could not admit to themselves that they were like the hated Japanese in any way, even though they were ). The South was always the more rural part and the war destroyed Seoul. The end of the war was like year zero for Korea and modeling their new society (somewhat) on America was not a bad choice - you can't argue with the results. The North, modeled on Stalin's Soviet Union, turned out a LOT worse.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    That America and this America are worlds apart. Thats why everything sucks for Ms Jeong.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    In Asian culture it is considered a compliment to the master if the student exceeds the master - that means that he has learned his lessons well. If your master has become a big fat opiate dependent slob then all bets are off.

    A lot of the Koreans who came over in the '70s have reason to regret it now - they would have been better off if they stayed back in Korea. But at the time S. Korea was very poor (even N. Korea was richer) and America was very rich so it seemed like a no brainer even if you were an educated Korean and had to run some miserable dry cleaning shop or ghetto liquor store here.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  185. @dcite

    Sex is cruel. We descended from our common ancestor with the chimpanzee about six or seven million years ago. Chimps are not nice. Gorillas are peaceable but chimps are nasty, violent and treacherous. Male chimps often beat the females before and doing sex. As it happens females who have been beaten thereby exhibit greater fertility.
     
    Sounds like someone who might enjoy the adrenochrome plantation. Apparently the Cool People Who Drive the PTB, are into adrenal fluid drained from the cortex of a tortured and terrified person gives a great high and doesn't actually depend on sex. Urban legend schmended maybe, but who couldda thunk it up? On topic, Koreans used to be dogs to death because it made the meat taste better. We're still in strange days.
    In any case, did you check with Jane Goodall? I don't recall that nugget. Sure you didn't fantasize it? Wife beating was distinctly declasse in most of European history, and an English woman could shame a husband in the public view for that, even in the early 18th century, according to a famous novel I once read, maybe by Defoe but not sure. Either sex is capable of sadism. But it is usually a bad idea. The idea that beaten women are more fertile is so bizar and so conducive of producing more psychopaths and violent thugs that....well, maybe you just described some cultures.
    It's something we should evolve away from and not all animals exhibit that behavior anyway. Who needs more children brought up with all that.
    Civilizations with a literature have produced vast compendiums on the arts of love and sex. It's what's called civilization and being human. We are not animals. That is a component of our nature, but we can go farther. It seems that some people muse with nostalgia on the worst we can be.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jack D

    And yet humans are wired in a strange way – approximately 5% of rape victims report having orgasms during their rape – the actual % is believed to be higher because many victims are reluctant to admit this.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Jack D

    Isn't that men who experience that while being raped? That's what I've read, and I doubt it's any way voluntary or pleasurable.

  186. @The Practical Conservative
    @Jack D

    Harvard law’s alumni database doesn’t list her as a graduate and Sarah Jeong’s never said she graduated, merely attended. “Trained as a lawyer” is the most recent spin in her online bios. It's not likely she did the full three years, based on what little evidence of her attendance is out there.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I am not surprised to hear this. I would also not be surprised to hear that she quit due to mental breakdown. I would also not be surprised if she had at least suicidal ideations if not suicide attempts. Asians can usually hack the academics (they will do whatever it takes to hack the academics) but they will sometimes crack under the stress of doing so.

  187. @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    That America and this America are worlds apart. Thats why everything sucks for Ms Jeong.

    Replies: @Jack D

    In Asian culture it is considered a compliment to the master if the student exceeds the master – that means that he has learned his lessons well. If your master has become a big fat opiate dependent slob then all bets are off.

    A lot of the Koreans who came over in the ’70s have reason to regret it now – they would have been better off if they stayed back in Korea. But at the time S. Korea was very poor (even N. Korea was richer) and America was very rich so it seemed like a no brainer even if you were an educated Korean and had to run some miserable dry cleaning shop or ghetto liquor store here.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Jack D


    But at the time S. Korea was very poor (even N. Korea was richer) and America was very rich so it seemed like a no brainer even if you were an educated Korean and had to run some miserable dry cleaning shop or ghetto liquor store here.
     
    It seemed to me, living in New York City in the late 1980s, that Korean convenience stores were popping up everywhere.

    The emigration of Koreans struck me as odd, even at the time, because the South Korean economy had already started taking off, and the four "Asian tiger" economies were demonstrating rates of annual GDP growth that were largely unprecedented in the history of economic development.

    Perhaps there were sociological reasons, and these were South Koreans who had little access to participating in the entrepreneurial opportunities back home.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke

  188. @Anon
    In one sense, Jeong is very pro-American, even all-American.

    Patton said Americans love a winner.

    https://youtu.be/CCA6uxQE-bw?t=1m41s

    "Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time."

    So, that is the basis of Americanism. By those standards, why would anyone respect current white Americans? White Christians who founded and built this nation allowed the Jews, 2% of the population, to take over all elite institutions and monopolize many key industries. Even though Jews beat on whites all the time, whites suck up to Jewish power and praise Israel 24/7. Even big tough Donald Trump, though constantly attacked by Jews, grovels to the likes of Adelson and Netanyahu and fully supports Zionist crushing of Palestinians.

    White Americans let blacks enter sports and totally kick white butt. Whites were beaten in boxing, basketball, football. They are bench-warmers or cucky sports fans who cheer black guys who beat whites and sexually conquer white women. When blacks go around beating up whites in schools and streets, but whites never come together. When white monuments are torn down, there is no white protest. If anything, the most passionate whites are those are committed to 'punching nazis'. Even Paul Ryan, leader of GOP in Congress, berates any sign of white identity but is sooooooo very proud of the 3% of him that is Jewish. Mitt Romney praised Antifa that attacked young rightists. Popular culture often portrays black men as cool and white men as silly white boys dufus dorks. Whites don't complain. If anything, white boys listen to rap songs and wiggle their ass to lyrics, 'suck my black dic*'. Even red state Texas is run by the likes of Bush Dynasty who welcome more Mexicans who vote Democratic. Jeb Bush says illegals are patriots and love this country.

    White race has turned into an utter disgrace, a bunch of f***ing losers. By American standards of AMERICANS LOVE A WINNER AND WILL NOT TOLERATE A LOSER, isn't Sarah Jeong's tweets very 'American'? She loves winners of the Current Power and Idolatry: Jews, Homos, and blacks. She feels contempt for weakling whites.

    Indeed, even so much of Jeong-bashing is pathetic in a way. After all, she's small potatoes, a tool, a useful idiot, a toady, and dog. Who made her like this? Let's consider the CONTEXT since we are told context is so important. She was raised with PC education and entertainment by Harvard and Hollywood dominated by Jews. She is the contextual product of globo-homo PC that dominates US media, academia, and entertainment.

    So, all those big tough patriots who never had the courage to speak truth to Jewish(or Negro or Homo) power but are now bashing Jeong like she's some outlier, that is BS. It's stupid to bark back at a dog if you don't have the guts to confront the master who trained the dog to be that way.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hockamaw

    Very strong comment. Sad, but true.

  189. @PiltdownMan
    @Mitchell Porter

    I get the impression that Mr. Sailer sees this as a watershed moment.

    The NYTimes actions are so egregious, that it must surely be aware that Sarah Jeong is indefensible. I think that the NYTimes is engaging in a raw display of power, pre-emptively, around the Sarah Jeong affair, afraid that its control over the narrative will erode if it does not do so.

    And accordingly, perhaps Mr. Sailer senses the need to keep all guns blazing.

    Replies: @Anonym, @AndrewR, @Mitchell Porter, @Corvinus

    “The NYTimes actions are so egregious, that it must surely be aware that Sarah Jeong is indefensible.”

    It certainly is triggering the Alt Right into getting their knickers in a bunch. The simple lesson here is that Jeong is to the NYT as Milo is to the Alt Right–house n—— who are use hate rhetoric to fan the flames of their opponents. It’s not as if Jeong’s hiring is going to shed any new light on the matter at hand, because the SJW’s will claim context and the Alt Right will claim hypocrisy. All in a night’s work for the Coalition of the Fringes. She’s a hired gun no different than Ann Coulter to say outlandish things.

    As far as the Sailer themes are concerned as noted by Irish Paleo, here are simple truths. Chick lit genres are not “rape fantasies”, as it is a patently serious misnomer. Such works are designed exclusively for women to fantasize about being taken by force unexpectedly…with someone they have feelings for. In an idealized “pretend scenario”, men and women experience the rawest sex in no way intruded by any viscerally felt sense of peril. It’s a controlled situation, it’s consensual, and it’s agreed-to aggression. Actual rape is not a fantasy, it’s a violent act by cowardly men. As far as the fugly female journalists attempting to “recast the social order to make themselves rank higher in the hotness hierarchy”, that is manosphere claptrap.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Corvinus

    Your gaslighting is noted, sapper. You do your master proud, don't you?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  190. @Jack D
    @Anon

    LOL - your name is Anon[425] and you are lecturing everyone else about speaking truth to power.

    Replies: @Anon

    How much do you get for your hasbara operation?

  191. @Anonymous
    Hitchcock said while making "The Birds," apparently only half-facetiously, that he subscribed to the dramatic-efficiency advice of Victorien Sardou: "Torture the women" (i.e. 51-plus percent of movie audiences). And I, for one, believe the old fat bastard knew whereof he spake.

    Is it not major, catastrophic, DEFCON 1 enstupidation that we already waste *this* much time debating how policy/consumer-capitalism should more slavishly cater to women's whims and psychological insecurities, which yet never seems to be enough? Also, give it a rest with pseudo-insights on women's "rape fantasies" unless you're going to ponder that notorious male fetish for 60-hour-work-week, penny-pinching, subsisting-on-Ramen lifestyle, you know, "wealth fantasies." If women can be said to dream about being raped then it's with equivalent seriousness to their dreams of dabbling in the career of a high-class call girl. Maybe you saw that really gritty Julia Roberts movie about it.

    Replies: @Karl, @Hockamaw, @Jack D, @Brady

    You’re way off base here.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19085605

    This study evaluated the rape fantasies of female undergraduates (N = 355) using a fantasy checklist that reflected the legal definition of rape and a sexual fantasy log that included systematic prompts and self-ratings. Results indicated that 62% of women have had a rape fantasy, which is somewhat higher than previous estimates. For women who have had rape fantasies, the median frequency of these fantasies was about 4 times per year, with 14% of participants reporting that they had rape fantasies at least once a week. In contrast to previous research, which suggested that rape fantasies were either entirely aversive or entirely erotic, rape fantasies were found to exist on an erotic-aversive continuum, with 9% completely aversive, 45% completely erotic, and 46% both erotic and aversive.

  192. @Jack D
    @SFG

    I don't see American blacks disappearing as a group. Even in places like Brazil where the average white person is a little bit black, there are still people who are distinctly black. I think there is more potential for Latinos to intermarry with whites since most Latinos are starting out at least 1/2 white already.

    And certain groups will remain racially isolated for religious or cultural reasons at least for a couple of more generations. We know that the Pakis in the UK keep going back for their cousins back home even after several generations.

    Replies: @Karl

    144 Jack D > We know that the Pakis in the UK keep going back for their cousins back home even after several generations

    if you knew you that at your age, you could STILL get a 16-17 year old wife, then you too, would be on a jet plane to Beit Shean

  193. @eah
    This is her in 2016, streaked hair and all -- not an uninteresting video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bltoTMJZetc

    Replies: @eah, @Forbes, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

    For the life of me, I can’t figure why this woman is in demand as a speaker, and now at the NYT. She doesn’t appear to have accomplished anything in her life–she’a a scribbler of opinions on the internet. If she were a 30-year old attorney at some law firm–nobody would be interested in hearing from her–but at least she’d be on track to learn and master her profession.

    • Replies: @eah
    @Forbes

    For the life of me,...She doesn’t appear to have accomplished anything in her life...

    Note this interesting 'tweet'.

    Re the situation illustrated by the graphic below (also seen in the 'tweet' linked above), someone on Twitter said:

    Rich, not only that, which one of them has actually produced jobs and actual value for our country?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Djr6kVbXsAA2mLo.jpg

  194. Eagle Eye says:
    @Almost Missouri
    Irish Paleo's comment is very plausible, but I paused at this:

    "one reason for this crap becoming so much more prominent in our culture is, quite simply, the fact that with the media’s profitability in free fall, it’s much harder for the like of the Times and the Post to compete"
     
    Conventional profitability is no longer an issue for the Left Media ("Main Stream" Media). Of course, they still sell ads and subscriptions to give the appearance of being legitimate businesses. But if you look closely, you will find that these outlets* are actually supported by rich oligarchs.

    Sometimes the ownership is direct such as with Carlos Slim and the NYT or Bezos and the WaPo. Other times it is camouflaged through an anonymous foundation, as with the billionairess Jobs widow and The Atlantic. Still other times the revenue is disguised as investment capital, as when Jeffery Katzenberg dispenses millions of dollars of "venture capital" for new media that he knows perfectly well will never pay for itself. This top-down money meets the bottom-up efforts of the Sarah Jeongs and Julia Carrie Wongs of the world who are grateful for the Narrative-ladling coolie work at $150 a throw.

    In between are the editors and managers whose only real job is to ensure that their backers' money buys the right kind of "news". That is the only "profitability" they worry about. They hire mediocrities because that's what's out there, and they don't need anything better for their coolie work.

    If you've ever wondered why right wing news sites have to inundate you with advertising while left wing sites can afford clean, spare formatting, look no further than their financing. A few million dollars of oligarch money will buy you a lot of journo-list-ism.


    *In that they are all simply emitting different flavors of the same prearranged narrative, the word "outlet" is unintentionally apt.

    **The Guardian appear to be true believers who promote the Narrative for free ... well, for busking money.

    ***Also I don't think Ronan Farrow is really as bad as Irish says, though Farrow has plenty of time to become corrupt, and he is certainly in the right environment for it.

    Replies: @Anon, @James Forrestal, @Eagle Eye

    In traditional Britain it was taken as a matter of course that “newspaper barons” maintained loss-making newspapers as “organs” to support their owners’ political and business objectives. Lord Beaverbrook is perhaps best known.

    The satirical Private Eye often riffed on this theme by billing itself as the “organ” of “Lord Gnome.”

    Why should the logic of the news “business” in 2018 Manhattan be any different?

  195. @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    Farrow is also pretty strong in the hotness dept, having Frank as a father and whatnot.

    Even journalists who didn't get book/tv/movie deals enjoyed tremendous prestige and the consequent ability to bed babes who would otherwise never even have looked at them. So there was serious pull, back in the day.

    Replies: @WowJustWow

    He turned out gay though. But in these times, an openly gay journalist is probably more difficult to entrap/blackmail than a straight one, so they can go after more dangerous stories. Like Glenn Greenwald.

  196. @Dave Pinsen
    I wouldn’t put Farrow in the mediocrity column. He’s gotten some big #MeToo scoops/scalps.

    Also, I don’t think journalism ever offered average pay as high as the big law firms, but a handful of well-placed journos do get big book/movie deals.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @SporadicMyrmidon, @Sapwood, @Nicholas Stix

    But were any of those #MeToo stories legit? I see the entire movement as a hoax.

  197. @eah
    This is her in 2016, streaked hair and all -- not an uninteresting video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bltoTMJZetc

    Replies: @eah, @Forbes, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

    She’s funnier and has better stage presence that most of the so-called “comediennes” that the media attempts to foist on us these days.

    She also has a lot of the, “girl next door,” quality going for her.

    We laugh and make fun of her excesses, but she has the potential to be very dangerous long-term, much like Ocasio-Cortez.

  198. @Pat Boyle
    There are several epistemological problems with sex. Our minds are not allowed to think about sex rationally.

    First of all is the matter of "free will". We are protoplasmic robots designed by evolution to reproduce. When we awake to sex at puberty we like to think we make decisions. But that's an illusion. Boys like girls because of their programming. If you are a homosexual that's programming too. No free will about sex. Sex and reproduction are too important to leave it to the individual organism.

    So it makes little sense to be proud to be straight or proud to be gay.

    Sex is cruel. We descended from our common ancestor with the chimpanzee about six or seven million years ago. Chimps are not nice. Gorillas are peaceable but chimps are nasty, violent and treacherous. Male chimps often beat the females before and doing sex. As it happens females who have been beaten thereby exhibit greater fertility. Then by standard Darwinian mechanisms the beaten female chimps out breed those not beaten. Over time the females who like being beaten come to predominate.

    In this way, male cruelty (sexual sadism) has endured among chimps and humans. We speak of the homosexual incidence as around 2%, But human BDSM is probably around 30%. Unfortunately the topic is so radioactive no one dares investigate.

    Male dominance is probably the 'natural' way for the sexes to behave. The current feminism ideas are probably a passing fancy like Victorian sexual practices. Girls like strong men. Many of them want to be spanked.

    Get ready for change.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SFG, @Thea, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    There are several epistemological problems with sex.

    You mean that you have epistemological problems with sex. The 17/20ths of the population that hasn’t succumbed to Darwinian propaganda knows everything necessary about sex.

    Our minds are not allowed to think about sex rationally.

    And who disallows this thinking? Darwin? Evolution?

    First of all is the matter of “free will”. We are protoplasmic robots designed by evolution to reproduce.

    How much analysis, blueprinting, planning, experimenting and re-tooling did evolution do during its design of us automata? Was evolution’s thinking effective? Or are we the detritus of failed trials? Or is evolution omniscient?

    When we awake to sex at puberty we like to think we make decisions. But that’s an illusion. Boys like girls because of their programming.

    Oh please. As boys, we all had chances to have sex with girls that we found unappealing. Some (maybe you) had sex with them anyway. The rest of us exercised our free will. I am sure that girls were similarly situated.

    No free will about sex. Sex and reproduction are too important to leave it to the individual organism.

    What about birthrates in developed countries? By your reasoning what we see would not happen. You have a theory you have described. The facts contradict your theory. In the contest between theory and facts, facts prevail.

    You have mistaken humans for chimps. That you can’t distinguish between us and them says much about you, and nothing about the rest of us.

    • Agree: Forbes
  199. @PiltdownMan
    @Anonymous


    I doubt Farrow has any such issues, since he’s probably taken a DNA test or two by now. Even a paternity test is not really necessary (a 23andme “48.5% Ashkenazi Jewish” or “38% Southern European” should more or less answer the question). BTW, post-surgery, cross-country Sinatra impregnating Mia Farrow as she’s filming a movie with Woody in New York in March 1987 would be quite a feat.
     
    True. But then, there's this.

    https://i.imgur.com/Hl5mleS.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Rosamond Vincy

    He is WAY too good-looking to be Woody’s.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Rosamond Vincy

    He looks like his mama at the same age, but he has also remade himself, changing his hair color from brown to blonde, and donning blue contact lenses.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

  200. @Corvinus
    @PiltdownMan

    "The NYTimes actions are so egregious, that it must surely be aware that Sarah Jeong is indefensible."

    It certainly is triggering the Alt Right into getting their knickers in a bunch. The simple lesson here is that Jeong is to the NYT as Milo is to the Alt Right--house n------ who are use hate rhetoric to fan the flames of their opponents. It's not as if Jeong's hiring is going to shed any new light on the matter at hand, because the SJW's will claim context and the Alt Right will claim hypocrisy. All in a night's work for the Coalition of the Fringes. She's a hired gun no different than Ann Coulter to say outlandish things.

    As far as the Sailer themes are concerned as noted by Irish Paleo, here are simple truths. Chick lit genres are not "rape fantasies", as it is a patently serious misnomer. Such works are designed exclusively for women to fantasize about being taken by force unexpectedly...with someone they have feelings for. In an idealized “pretend scenario", men and women experience the rawest sex in no way intruded by any viscerally felt sense of peril. It's a controlled situation, it's consensual, and it's agreed-to aggression. Actual rape is not a fantasy, it's a violent act by cowardly men. As far as the fugly female journalists attempting to "recast the social order to make themselves rank higher in the hotness hierarchy", that is manosphere claptrap.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Your gaslighting is noted, sapper. You do your master proud, don’t you?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    "Your gaslighting is noted, sapper. You do your master proud, don’t you?"

    So you took a term from DJT's twitter feed, but improperly used it. So in the future, think about when you didn't remember things correctly, and adjust your conduct accordingly.

    Replies: @Anon, @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Charles Erwin Wilson

  201. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Hitchcock takes the torture of women to another level in his next to last movie, Frenzy, which concerns a necktie murderer who rapes and strangles his victims (and the strangulations are graphically depicted on screen - the camera does not cut away) . One of his biographers called one of these scenes "one of the most repellent examples of a detailed murder in the history of film".

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Hitchcock takes the torture of women to another level in his next to last movie, Frenzy

    Hitchcock was a sick bastard. It is easy to imagine Whiskey making the same movies were he similarly situated. I assumed that Hitchcock’s enablers knew this, but averted their gaze to ride the gravy train. OTOH the Brits, for all their supposed proximity to us, are somewhat opaque. They might have thought Hitchcock was a capital fellow. Brits seem to be at least a half bubble off center, and often pressed up to one side or the other of the level.

    The Brits are unbalanced.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    I would agree, but then, I tend to think the same of Americans.

    , @Jack D
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Hitchcock was a (lapsed) Catholic and this may have led to his recurring theme, that "the wages of sin are death".

    Replies: @Anon

  202. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Twinkie


    You have absolutely no clue what South Korea is like today.
     
    Please tell me SK looks like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3H-4crGD6k

    I want to believe!

    Replies: @jim jones

    You have to admire those girls ability to dance in perfect sync while pretending to sing in English. It only takes one person to make a slight mistake and it requires hours of extra work.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @jim jones

    There is a flashmob version of this song, everyone seems to be having a good time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6OQ4xKiiK8

  203. @Joe Walker
    @Mitchell Porter

    So are you saying that we should believe that Haven Monahan is real? Or that it is alright for Asians to make racist posts against whites?

    Replies: @Mitchell Porter

    “are you saying that we should believe that Haven Monahan is real?”

    Years ago, I knew someone who volunteered at a shelter for abused women, and she was very disturbed when she found herself unable to believe one of the stories she was hearing. Maybe Jeong was naive and in denial, I don’t know. Meanwhile, some of the commentariat here are like, “all this feminist fuss over rape is just because they want it and we won’t give it to them”.

    “Or that it is alright for Asians to make racist posts against whites?”

    I cannot take her Twitter “racism” seriously (though of course most of her big-media defenders are being complete hypocrites). If you look at her blog, her serious philosophy of race is something like, high-achieving Asians must reject the ‘model minority’ stereotype, so that their less-achieving cousins aren’t treated as inferior. The most genuinely dangerous attitude I saw her express, was towards police.

  204. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    At the time that Ronan Farrow was conceived (March, 1987) Frank Sinatra was 71 years old and recovering from recent serious colon surgery. By that point, he looked more like Mia Farrow's grandfather than a sex symbol.

    It strikes me that the universe of possible fathers for Ronan is larger than just 2 men. I have no idea who Mia Farrow was palling around with in those days but it could have been someone else besides these two. I really doubt that he is Woody Allen's son but I also doubt that he is Frank's either.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @PiltdownMan, @Anonym

    It strikes me that the universe of possible fathers for Ronan is larger than just 2 men. I have no idea who Mia Farrow was palling around with in those days but it could have been someone else besides these two. I really doubt that he is Woody Allen’s son but I also doubt that he is Frank’s either.

    I agree with this, although I don’t necessarily think Mia Farrow is/was especially promiscuous: in showbiz, real marital fidelity is pretty rare, there are always exceptions, temptations, stuff that happens this place stays there….

    Having said that, the odds he’s Frank’s, if not exceptionally high (there is no real telling save DNA testing-I wouldn’t be surprised if Mia doesn’t know!) are higher than appears on the surface. Ex-wives are often prone to “accommodating” former husbands. I have two current co-workers paying child support to their ex wives over a post-marriage pregnancy. Isn’t nearly as rare as people think.

  205. @Joe Walker
    @John Derbyshire

    Just as English girls are widely regarded as easy by non-English men.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Joe Walker:

    TOUCHE!

  206. @eah
    @eah

    Don't know about the rape fantasy stuff; won't discount it -- but after watching the video, I thought of Amy Chua-esque 'tiger parenting', and how as a result of it there is probably a lot of misdirected youthful intellectual energy -- eg after finishing Harvard Law School, Sarah Jeong apparently realized pretty quickly that she did not want to be a lawyer -- also in the video she seems to say that using targeted advertising technology to attempt to dissuade women from having an abortion is "morally reprehensible" (skip to 07:20) -- of course abortion itself is not "morally reprehensible".

    Screenshot from the video:

    https://s26.postimg.cc/qq35hy1qh/sarah_jeong_video_snapshot.jpg

    Replies: @eah, @Mr. Rational

    Not to judge the morality of abortion, but there would seem to be a way to defeat ads targeted at people at a clinic:  install a microcell a la Stingray, and fudge the location info of anything connecting to it to appear to be at random locations, preferably along country lanes in other states.

    Or just make certain locations unavailable for position-targeted ads.  “Sorry, you are not allowed to specify your ad to be served to users located here.”

    • Replies: @eah
    @Mr. Rational

    Not to judge the morality of abortion

    I don't see how you could or why you would want to avoid that -- my feeling/conviction has always been that it's clearly morally wrong -- this is why I get angry when I hear that Congress has again decided to fund PP, which is an abortion factory (something like 90% of visits to PP are for abortion 'services') -- it forces taxpayers who may be morally opposed to subsidize abortion, which is another moral wrong -- that said, I reluctantly concede it should not be generally illegal.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Jack D

  207. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    At the time that Ronan Farrow was conceived (March, 1987) Frank Sinatra was 71 years old and recovering from recent serious colon surgery. By that point, he looked more like Mia Farrow's grandfather than a sex symbol.

    It strikes me that the universe of possible fathers for Ronan is larger than just 2 men. I have no idea who Mia Farrow was palling around with in those days but it could have been someone else besides these two. I really doubt that he is Woody Allen's son but I also doubt that he is Frank's either.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @PiltdownMan, @Anonym

    By that point, he looked more like Mia Farrow’s grandfather than a sex symbol.

    To everyone else. However, in Mia’s mind, he may well still have been the sex symbol that she had married, two decades previously, if only for an unguarded moment.

    Or, at least, that seems to be the implied basis of the popular speculation. It’s hardly worth pursuing any further than that, though the resemblance to Frank Sinatra is indeed striking.

  208. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    In Asian culture it is considered a compliment to the master if the student exceeds the master - that means that he has learned his lessons well. If your master has become a big fat opiate dependent slob then all bets are off.

    A lot of the Koreans who came over in the '70s have reason to regret it now - they would have been better off if they stayed back in Korea. But at the time S. Korea was very poor (even N. Korea was richer) and America was very rich so it seemed like a no brainer even if you were an educated Korean and had to run some miserable dry cleaning shop or ghetto liquor store here.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    But at the time S. Korea was very poor (even N. Korea was richer) and America was very rich so it seemed like a no brainer even if you were an educated Korean and had to run some miserable dry cleaning shop or ghetto liquor store here.

    It seemed to me, living in New York City in the late 1980s, that Korean convenience stores were popping up everywhere.

    The emigration of Koreans struck me as odd, even at the time, because the South Korean economy had already started taking off, and the four “Asian tiger” economies were demonstrating rates of annual GDP growth that were largely unprecedented in the history of economic development.

    Perhaps there were sociological reasons, and these were South Koreans who had little access to participating in the entrepreneurial opportunities back home.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @PiltdownMan


    Perhaps there were sociological reasons, and these were South Koreans who had little access to participating in the entrepreneurial opportunities back home.
     
    Many were not entrepreneurs back home, but were forced to be so by circumstances in the U.S. Economics may have played a strong role as with any immigrant group, but what was also very salient for Koreans of that generation was affording their children the opportunity to access the American education system. To put simply, good schools for their kids.
    , @Johann Ricke
    @PiltdownMan


    Perhaps there were sociological reasons, and these were South Koreans who had little access to participating in the entrepreneurial opportunities back home.
     
    This is a wild guess, but I suspect many of these were Christians. My impression is that for Christians in non-Christian majority countries, the US is the promised land. This is probably why Korean immigrants are lopsidedly Christian relative to the ones in the old country. While risking life and limb running small businesses in the ghetto isn't exactly 40 years in the desert, many Korean immigrants may have made significant sacrifices because it was in part a religious pilgrimage-cum-settlement.
  209. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I don't think the Vietnamese are heavily Christian to begin with - the majority are either Buddhist or unaffiliated.

    Among the Koreans, yes the immigrant generation is heavily Christian evangelical but I don't get the feeling that American born Korean-American hipsters like Sarah with the orange hair are really hanging around evangelical churches that much.

    Of the 3 groups that you mentioned only the Filipinos I think really tend to take their religion seriously after the 1st generation.



    aligned with Jews and share their fear of, and contempt for, Christian whites
     
    American Jews show their contempt for Christian whites in a strange way, since 70% of them are selecting them for their spouses. The answer is that not all Christian whites are created equal. The type of Jews, Indians, E. Asians of all (or mostly no) religions that are found on elite campuses love (often literally) Goodwhites whom they consider to be their friends, peers and equals and hate, hate, hate Badwhites.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie

    I don’t think the Vietnamese are heavily Christian to begin with – the majority are either Buddhist or unaffiliated.

    They may be one-tenth to one-sixth of Vietnam– and who knows how many more are in the closet– but a third to a half of the Vietnamese in America. The Catholics here are having larger families than the Protestants, Buddhists, or secularists, if my old inner city church’s school was any indication.

    The dumb white neighbor in my old ‘hood told me his family went to “Vietnam church”, so they’re an example of a mixed marriage upping the immigrant church’s numbers rather than the natives’. (His sons were rather smart for their age, though. Dad may just be socially awkward rather than stupid.)

  210. @Jack D
    @academic gossip


    pledges wore 30 lb. backpacks filled with sand while members of the fraternity tackled them during a ritual known as “The Glass Ceiling,” which represented Asian American struggle in the United States.
     
    You really can't make this shit up. If I wrote a piece of non-satirical fiction in which this happened, people would criticize my fiction for being over the top and unrealistic.

    Did the tacklers wear whiteface while they did this? Trump masks? How long has this been going on and does it go on with other minorities? I've never heard of anything like this for a Jewish frat - Jewish frat hazing is just like any other frat hazing. Connecting it to any kind of socio-political agenda is the farthest thing from anyone's mind. If pledges are getting paddled, that's just because that's how it has always been done. Jews don't pretend that they are being beaten by Egyptians or Nazis or re-enact the blackballing of their grandfathers from Merion Cricket Club, at least they didn't in the past. God knows what craziness goes on on campus in 2018.

    Replies: @academic gossip

    It’s like a scene from a Mel Brooks adaptation of a Tom Wolfe novel. A perfect szyzygy of iSteve topics.

  211. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @jim jones
    @Anonymous

    You mean this one (terrible quality):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gk_2TO8uwM

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Thank you.

  212. @PiltdownMan
    @Jack D


    But at the time S. Korea was very poor (even N. Korea was richer) and America was very rich so it seemed like a no brainer even if you were an educated Korean and had to run some miserable dry cleaning shop or ghetto liquor store here.
     
    It seemed to me, living in New York City in the late 1980s, that Korean convenience stores were popping up everywhere.

    The emigration of Koreans struck me as odd, even at the time, because the South Korean economy had already started taking off, and the four "Asian tiger" economies were demonstrating rates of annual GDP growth that were largely unprecedented in the history of economic development.

    Perhaps there were sociological reasons, and these were South Koreans who had little access to participating in the entrepreneurial opportunities back home.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke

    Perhaps there were sociological reasons, and these were South Koreans who had little access to participating in the entrepreneurial opportunities back home.

    Many were not entrepreneurs back home, but were forced to be so by circumstances in the U.S. Economics may have played a strong role as with any immigrant group, but what was also very salient for Koreans of that generation was affording their children the opportunity to access the American education system. To put simply, good schools for their kids.

  213. @SFG
    I'm sure Albertosaurus has more to report than me here, but:

    Yeah, a lot of feminists want to be dominated in bed. (You can confirm this yourself with an OKCupid account and some selective question answering.) Indeed, the whole yes-means-yes paradigm of exhaustively asking for permission for every advance somewhat resembles the negotiations the dominant and submissive partners frequently do before the 'scene'. Consent and limits must be explicitly discussed before proceeding. It's appealing to nerds who have trouble reading body language (and I suspect a lot of feminists are somewhere on the autism spectrum as well since they obviously have trouble adjusting to normal social roles; higher T in a woman would fit this as well).

    I think the whole BDSM framework lets them feel they're doing something transgressive rather than accepting normal female roles. For whatever reason, predominantly dominant women in bed are rare (just ask a male submissive), and high testosterone in a woman mostly seems to produce an increase in the violence of the fantasy rather than switching the roles.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Anonymous

    Ah, Albertosaurus. How long has it been since he lasted posted here?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    Today.  He's going by his real name now.

  214. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I don't think the Vietnamese are heavily Christian to begin with - the majority are either Buddhist or unaffiliated.

    Among the Koreans, yes the immigrant generation is heavily Christian evangelical but I don't get the feeling that American born Korean-American hipsters like Sarah with the orange hair are really hanging around evangelical churches that much.

    Of the 3 groups that you mentioned only the Filipinos I think really tend to take their religion seriously after the 1st generation.



    aligned with Jews and share their fear of, and contempt for, Christian whites
     
    American Jews show their contempt for Christian whites in a strange way, since 70% of them are selecting them for their spouses. The answer is that not all Christian whites are created equal. The type of Jews, Indians, E. Asians of all (or mostly no) religions that are found on elite campuses love (often literally) Goodwhites whom they consider to be their friends, peers and equals and hate, hate, hate Badwhites.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Reg Cæsar, @Twinkie

    I don’t think the Vietnamese are heavily Christian to begin with – the majority are either Buddhist or unaffiliated.

    As with the Lebanese, Christian Vietnamese families were much more likely to escape Vietnam, for obvious reasons. Both Koreans and Vietnamese also appreciated the strong anti-communism of the GOP during the Cold War.

    I don’t get the feeling that American born Korean-American hipsters like Sarah with the orange hair are really hanging around evangelical churches that much.

    Your feeling notwithstanding, Sarah Jeong is not the only type of American-born Korean. See: http://religion.ssrc.org/reforum/Kim.pdf

    To wit:

    One out of four Evangelical college students at New York City colleges and universities are Asian American (Carnes and Yang 2004; Sax et al. 1997). At Harvard, Asian Americans constitute 70 percent of the Harvard Radcliffe Christian Fellowship, and given the popularity of Evangelical Christian fellowships, one can easily spot students who proudly don t-shirts with phrases like “the Asian Awakening” (Chang 2000: 1). At Yale, Campus Crusade for Christ is 90 percent Asian, whereas twenty years ago it was 100 percent white. On the West Coast, the Asian American membership at Stanford’s InterVarsity Christian Fellowship (IVCF) from 1989 to 1999, increased by 84 percent, compared to a 31 percent increase in its overall membership (Busto 1996). Meanwhile, UC Berkeley and UCLA have more than fifty Asian Christian fellowships and most of their members are Asian American (Busto 1996; Chang 2000; Hong 2000). UCLA alone has more than ten Korean Christian related fellowships. On most college campuses, you have a far better chance of finding a Chinese Christian fellowship than a Chinese Buddhist club.

    I belonged to the Campus Crusade for Christ as an undergraduate, and it was basically made up of white athletes from the Midwest and the South and Koreans.

    American Jews show their contempt for Christian whites in a strange way, since 70% of them are selecting them for their spouses.

    When Jews and gentile whites intermarry, the children generally seem to identify as Jewish whereas when Asians and whites intermarry, the children often identify as white. Tiger Mom Amy Chua’s children are on record as stating that they “are Jewish and only are Chinese in food…” Both Jews and Asians intermarry, but one of them is expanding the tribe while the other is assimilating.

    The type of Jews, Indians, E. Asians of all (or mostly no) religions that are found on elite campuses love (often literally) Goodwhites whom they consider to be their friends, peers and equals and hate, hate, hate Badwhites.

    East Asians (and Vietnamese and Filipinos) hang out with “Badwhites” a lot more than Jews and Indians do, because they go to church with them and serve in the military together. It’s not a coincidence that those three Asian groups have the highest rates of assimilation while Indians have the lowest among Asians.

    Why do you think the Harvard admissions is favoring “Indians, Nepalis…” and not Koreans?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    whereas when Asians and whites intermarry, the children often identify as white
     
    I think there is a natural tendency to identify with whatever group is most beneficial at the time, but I don't know how it is even possible for most Hapas to identify as white since they have clearly Asian features - as with mulattoes, even if you wanted to identify as white you can't because others will see you as non-white. I know a number of E. Asian/Jewish couples and while the kids tend to identify as Jewish when you see them on the street you see them as Asians.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Hail
    @Twinkie


    Tiger Mom Amy Chua’s children are on record as stating that they “are Jewish and only are Chinese in food…”
     
    I remember this, too. There is much corroboration of this from glancing at the Tiger Daughters' public social media. One in particular is an aggressive Zionist, Jewish-nationalist (I recall her bashing Jewish softliners and calling for a Jewish Israel), and neither daughter seemed particularly interested in Asia/China.
  215. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jack D


    Hitchcock takes the torture of women to another level in his next to last movie, Frenzy
     
    Hitchcock was a sick bastard. It is easy to imagine Whiskey making the same movies were he similarly situated. I assumed that Hitchcock's enablers knew this, but averted their gaze to ride the gravy train. OTOH the Brits, for all their supposed proximity to us, are somewhat opaque. They might have thought Hitchcock was a capital fellow. Brits seem to be at least a half bubble off center, and often pressed up to one side or the other of the level.

    The Brits are unbalanced.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Jack D

    I would agree, but then, I tend to think the same of Americans.

  216. @jim jones
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    You have to admire those girls ability to dance in perfect sync while pretending to sing in English. It only takes one person to make a slight mistake and it requires hours of extra work.

    Replies: @jim jones

    There is a flashmob version of this song, everyone seems to be having a good time:

  217. @Yevardian
    @Bill P

    I'm not saying you're talking out of your anus, but you're really going to have to back up that pretty outlandish statement with something tangible.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Twinkie

    Like what? That Korean immigrants to the US have the highest rate of domestic violence among all East Asians? Or the fact that Korean women are more often homicide victims than men? Maybe that in Korea one can beat women on the street with impunity and general apathy?

    Or how about the fact that Korea clusters with Islamic countries in global gender equality indices?

    You know, it isn’t really my business what goes on over there, but when Korean gender pathologies become my problem because of people like Sarah Jeong, I’ll call it as it is.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Bill P


    That Korean immigrants to the US have the highest rate of domestic violence among all East Asians? Or the fact that Korean women are more often homicide victims than men? Maybe that in Korea one can beat women on the street with impunity and general apathy?
     
    I don’t know about the first two as I haven’t seen the data (and I’d like to see it)*, but the third is categorically false.

    This argues strongly against your assertions: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_domestic_violence

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_domestic_violence#/media/File%3AMap3.1NEW_Womens_Physical_Security_2011_compressed.jpg

    If you get on YouTube, there are lots of non-Korean (often Western) women who live in Korea who cite safety as one of the best things about living there. Their oft-repeated line sounds virtually the same - “As a woman, I love the fact that you can walk home at night and be completely safe.”

    Or how about the fact that Korea clusters with Islamic countries in global gender equality indices?
     
    Keep making stuff up. See: http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/GII

    2015 Gender InEquality Index Rankings

    1. Switzerland
    10. Republic of Korea (Between Germany and Singapore)
    43. U.S.
    50. Saudi Arabia
    118. Iran
    127. Qatar

    Replies: @22pp22, @Reg Cæsar

  218. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I don’t think the Vietnamese are heavily Christian to begin with – the majority are either Buddhist or unaffiliated.
     
    As with the Lebanese, Christian Vietnamese families were much more likely to escape Vietnam, for obvious reasons. Both Koreans and Vietnamese also appreciated the strong anti-communism of the GOP during the Cold War.

    I don’t get the feeling that American born Korean-American hipsters like Sarah with the orange hair are really hanging around evangelical churches that much.
     
    Your feeling notwithstanding, Sarah Jeong is not the only type of American-born Korean. See: http://religion.ssrc.org/reforum/Kim.pdf

    To wit:

    One out of four Evangelical college students at New York City colleges and universities are Asian American (Carnes and Yang 2004; Sax et al. 1997). At Harvard, Asian Americans constitute 70 percent of the Harvard Radcliffe Christian Fellowship, and given the popularity of Evangelical Christian fellowships, one can easily spot students who proudly don t-shirts with phrases like “the Asian Awakening” (Chang 2000: 1). At Yale, Campus Crusade for Christ is 90 percent Asian, whereas twenty years ago it was 100 percent white. On the West Coast, the Asian American membership at Stanford’s InterVarsity Christian Fellowship (IVCF) from 1989 to 1999, increased by 84 percent, compared to a 31 percent increase in its overall membership (Busto 1996). Meanwhile, UC Berkeley and UCLA have more than fifty Asian Christian fellowships and most of their members are Asian American (Busto 1996; Chang 2000; Hong 2000). UCLA alone has more than ten Korean Christian related fellowships. On most college campuses, you have a far better chance of finding a Chinese Christian fellowship than a Chinese Buddhist club.
     
    I belonged to the Campus Crusade for Christ as an undergraduate, and it was basically made up of white athletes from the Midwest and the South and Koreans.

    American Jews show their contempt for Christian whites in a strange way, since 70% of them are selecting them for their spouses.
     
    When Jews and gentile whites intermarry, the children generally seem to identify as Jewish whereas when Asians and whites intermarry, the children often identify as white. Tiger Mom Amy Chua’s children are on record as stating that they “are Jewish and only are Chinese in food...” Both Jews and Asians intermarry, but one of them is expanding the tribe while the other is assimilating.

    The type of Jews, Indians, E. Asians of all (or mostly no) religions that are found on elite campuses love (often literally) Goodwhites whom they consider to be their friends, peers and equals and hate, hate, hate Badwhites.
     
    East Asians (and Vietnamese and Filipinos) hang out with “Badwhites” a lot more than Jews and Indians do, because they go to church with them and serve in the military together. It’s not a coincidence that those three Asian groups have the highest rates of assimilation while Indians have the lowest among Asians.

    Why do you think the Harvard admissions is favoring “Indians, Nepalis...” and not Koreans?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hail

    whereas when Asians and whites intermarry, the children often identify as white

    I think there is a natural tendency to identify with whatever group is most beneficial at the time, but I don’t know how it is even possible for most Hapas to identify as white since they have clearly Asian features – as with mulattoes, even if you wanted to identify as white you can’t because others will see you as non-white. I know a number of E. Asian/Jewish couples and while the kids tend to identify as Jewish when you see them on the street you see them as Asians.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    but I don’t know how it is even possible for most Hapas to identify as white since they have clearly Asian features
     
    1. Self-identification.

    2. Hapas don’t all look the same. There is a range. Some look very Asian. Some look indeterminate. Some look pretty white.

    Replies: @Anon, @Captain Tripps

  219. @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    whereas when Asians and whites intermarry, the children often identify as white
     
    I think there is a natural tendency to identify with whatever group is most beneficial at the time, but I don't know how it is even possible for most Hapas to identify as white since they have clearly Asian features - as with mulattoes, even if you wanted to identify as white you can't because others will see you as non-white. I know a number of E. Asian/Jewish couples and while the kids tend to identify as Jewish when you see them on the street you see them as Asians.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    but I don’t know how it is even possible for most Hapas to identify as white since they have clearly Asian features

    1. Self-identification.

    2. Hapas don’t all look the same. There is a range. Some look very Asian. Some look indeterminate. Some look pretty white.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Twinkie

    As far as personal experience goes, I look pretty intermediate and never consciously identified as non-white. I think in the US there is mostly "white plus some others" and "black" as far as race is concerned (outside of politics), not counting Latin-Americans as other factors apply to them.

    , @Captain Tripps
    @Twinkie

    Agree with Twinkie on this. We both have mixed children; my daughter, who has been variously mistaken for Native American, Italian, and Greek, definitely has more European features, but currently she's more in to her Asian heritage. My son looks more Asian, but he currently identifies with his European heritage. Both are proud of their combined heritage. This is something that should be considered on a per-individual basis.

    Replies: @Jack D

  220. @Bill P
    Ms. Jeong's behavior can be partly explained by the peculiarities of Korean culture. Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.

    Men who don't behave as expected are subjected to what Roissy would call "shit tests," which involve insults, deprecation both subtle and overt, and psychological emasculation. Korean women even go after their sons in this manner, which goes some way toward explaining the volcanic rage that has led a number of young Korean men to go on shooting rampages.

    My bet is that Ms. Jeong has had some intense but dysfunctional relationships with white men that have left her cultural expectations unfulfilled. The problem being that Western men don't dominate so much as they patronize women, which to Koreans is weird and aggravating.

    Her response has been to hurl insults at white men in order to goad them into a properly wrathful and dominant attitude toward her. This is to be expected from Korean women. The only way to get them to stop is to give in and treat them like a doormat.

    It sounds worse to Westerners than it really is. For the most part it involves ritual submission; one Korean woman I worked with in China proudly described how she washed her husband's feet every day when he came home from work. I found this puzzling, but she insisted that she really enjoyed serving him in this manner, and I didn't detect any hint of resentment in her expression, but rather the opposite.

    There is a darker side, however; apparently wife-beating is common among Koreans, but they take that in stride and most agree that it is usually due to wifely misbehavior or rebelliousness.

    So, as academics would say, one should view Ms. Jeong's outbursts "through the lens" of her native culture and try to sympathize. All she really wants, after all, is for the objects of her affection to treat her the way a proper Korean lady ought to be treated.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Sid, @Yevardian, @Jack D, @White Guy In Japan, @MBlanc46, @Reg Cæsar

    Personal anecdote: I dated a Japanese woman who clearly had a Daddy complex and wanted to be dominated. Problem was that I really don’t enjoy psychological S&M. She would throw out threats and insults and I would just ignore or laugh them off.

    I eventually dumped her and she told me I was weak for leaving. I thought I was stupid and weak for staying. Live and learn.

  221. @Mr. Rational
    @eah

    Not to judge the morality of abortion, but there would seem to be a way to defeat ads targeted at people at a clinic:  install a microcell a la Stingray, and fudge the location info of anything connecting to it to appear to be at random locations, preferably along country lanes in other states.

    Or just make certain locations unavailable for position-targeted ads.  "Sorry, you are not allowed to specify your ad to be served to users located here."

    Replies: @eah

    Not to judge the morality of abortion

    I don’t see how you could or why you would want to avoid that — my feeling/conviction has always been that it’s clearly morally wrong — this is why I get angry when I hear that Congress has again decided to fund PP, which is an abortion factory (something like 90% of visits to PP are for abortion ‘services’) — it forces taxpayers who may be morally opposed to subsidize abortion, which is another moral wrong — that said, I reluctantly concede it should not be generally illegal.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @eah


    I don’t see how you could or why you would want to avoid that — my feeling/conviction has always been that it’s clearly morally wrong
     
    My position is pretty much the opposite; I've taken apart the verses used by pro-lifers to back themselves up biblically and found that most of them are first-person claims from prophets and one is clearly a flight of fancy (Psalm 139:15).  There's nothing like a call to mourn first-trimester miscarriages, which is the equivalent of most induced abortions.  The Christian case for "pro-life" is clearly reading something into the book that is not there.

    But practically, if the USA had had 60 or 80 million Blacks in 2016 instead of 40 million, we'd have President Hillary and neither you nor I would be posting here.  Maybe we wouldn't even be free men any more.  Roe v. Wade was indispensible in making MAGA possible.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jack D
    @eah

    PP and freely available abortion have been one of the few eugenic things in our society in the last 50 years. Every $ that they spend on PP saves the taxpayers an eternity of subsidizing people who will be mostly net negative contributors forever- it's the best $ that Washington spends. Our cities are halfway livable again because of it.

    There are a lot of morally objectionable things that taxpayers subsidize. Pacifists are morally opposed to war but subsidize the Pentagon. If the government couldn't spend money on anything that anyone had a moral objection to, it couldn't exist.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Almost Missouri

  222. @eah
    OT

    https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/1026119866884005889

    Replies: @eah, @eah

    • Replies: @Hail
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/Hail__To_You/status/1026412439535935488

  223. @Bill P
    @Yevardian

    Like what? That Korean immigrants to the US have the highest rate of domestic violence among all East Asians? Or the fact that Korean women are more often homicide victims than men? Maybe that in Korea one can beat women on the street with impunity and general apathy?

    Or how about the fact that Korea clusters with Islamic countries in global gender equality indices?

    You know, it isn't really my business what goes on over there, but when Korean gender pathologies become my problem because of people like Sarah Jeong, I'll call it as it is.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    That Korean immigrants to the US have the highest rate of domestic violence among all East Asians? Or the fact that Korean women are more often homicide victims than men? Maybe that in Korea one can beat women on the street with impunity and general apathy?

    I don’t know about the first two as I haven’t seen the data (and I’d like to see it)*, but the third is categorically false.

    This argues strongly against your assertions: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_domestic_violence

    If you get on YouTube, there are lots of non-Korean (often Western) women who live in Korea who cite safety as one of the best things about living there. Their oft-repeated line sounds virtually the same – “As a woman, I love the fact that you can walk home at night and be completely safe.”

    Or how about the fact that Korea clusters with Islamic countries in global gender equality indices?

    Keep making stuff up. See: http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/GII

    2015 Gender InEquality Index Rankings

    1. Switzerland
    10. Republic of Korea (Between Germany and Singapore)
    43. U.S.
    50. Saudi Arabia
    118. Iran
    127. Qatar

    • Replies: @22pp22
    @Twinkie

    A lot of places in the world are perfectly safe, not just in East Asia. Thessaloniki is completely safe at three in the morning despite the economic downturn. So is Cyprus. In fact, I reckon Cyprus is safer than Japan, whatever the statistics say.

    It pains me to admit it, but NZ/UK/Oz are not due to uncivilized drinking habits. Men are in far more danger than women if they walk down the street at three in the morning.

    What also surprised me about Korea, and to a lesser extent Japan, is the spread of decadence among the young. Koreans, even with military service, are turning into a bunch of pansies with an unnatural obsession with their hair. And the less said about K-pop idols the better.

    Five minutes ago, Japanese and Koreans were tough as nails. What happened?

    Mongolia is absolutely not safe - again due to spectacularly uncivilized drinking habits.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Twinkie

    Korea is immediately behind Germany? That place where men were hectored to use the toilet sitting down?

    I'd be more proud of our #48. It shows our moderation in these things. In practise, not theory that is.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  224. @Yevardian
    @Bill P

    I'm not saying you're talking out of your anus, but you're really going to have to back up that pretty outlandish statement with something tangible.

    Replies: @Bill P, @Twinkie

    He’s making things up (in fact, inserting things). See my reply with references to actual data: https://www.unz.com/isteve/taking-sarah-jeongs-rape-fantasy-conspiracy-theories-seriously/#comment-2450298

  225. @Forbes
    @eah

    For the life of me, I can't figure why this woman is in demand as a speaker, and now at the NYT. She doesn't appear to have accomplished anything in her life--she'a a scribbler of opinions on the internet. If she were a 30-year old attorney at some law firm--nobody would be interested in hearing from her--but at least she'd be on track to learn and master her profession.

    Replies: @eah

    For the life of me,…She doesn’t appear to have accomplished anything in her life…

    Note this interesting ‘tweet’.

    Re the situation illustrated by the graphic below (also seen in the ‘tweet’ linked above), someone on Twitter said:

    Rich, not only that, which one of them has actually produced jobs and actual value for our country?

  226. Anonymous [AKA "Joe Dumore"] says:
    @Anon

    Appealing to smart readers with smart journalists is just too expensive so they have to make do.
     
    Could they ever really do this, or are we looking at the past thru rose-tinted glasses?

    I recall a Hunter Thompson quote:

    “The press is a gang of cruel faggots. Journalism is not a profession or a trade. It is a cheap catch-all for fuckoffs and misfits—a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage.”

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous

    Wow!

  227. I have had the misfortune to live in Korea. I like Japanese people, by and large, but I have had to work hard to try to overcome the visceral dislike of Koreans that I acquired there. I cannot believe that anyone of Korean heritage can be enough of a hypocrite to accuse anyone else at all of racial bigotry.

    On those rare occasions when they are being nice they treat you like a puppy that needs to be petted one moment and chastised the next.

    Her comments and those of her Korean fan club are entirely in character. I would not care if she at least has the decency to remain in Korea.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @22pp22


    I have had the misfortune to live in Korea.
     
    Westerners seem to either love living there or hate it. Few seem to be lukewarm about the place. However, the former seem to outnumber the latter, judging from the rapid increase in non-Koreans (including Westerners) in ROK.

    Replies: @White Guy In Japan

  228. Anonymous [AKA "Dopey"] says:
    @eah
    This is her in 2016, streaked hair and all -- not an uninteresting video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bltoTMJZetc

    Replies: @eah, @Forbes, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

    She is fresh and charming and engaging in that video. What happened? Sad!

    • Replies: @eah
    @Anonymous

    What happened?

    Actually I think most of her Twitter activity getting attention right now happened well before the year of this video (2016) -- perhaps even the vast majority -- but I have not followed it all that closely.

  229. @Twinkie
    @Bill P


    That Korean immigrants to the US have the highest rate of domestic violence among all East Asians? Or the fact that Korean women are more often homicide victims than men? Maybe that in Korea one can beat women on the street with impunity and general apathy?
     
    I don’t know about the first two as I haven’t seen the data (and I’d like to see it)*, but the third is categorically false.

    This argues strongly against your assertions: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_domestic_violence

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_domestic_violence#/media/File%3AMap3.1NEW_Womens_Physical_Security_2011_compressed.jpg

    If you get on YouTube, there are lots of non-Korean (often Western) women who live in Korea who cite safety as one of the best things about living there. Their oft-repeated line sounds virtually the same - “As a woman, I love the fact that you can walk home at night and be completely safe.”

    Or how about the fact that Korea clusters with Islamic countries in global gender equality indices?
     
    Keep making stuff up. See: http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/GII

    2015 Gender InEquality Index Rankings

    1. Switzerland
    10. Republic of Korea (Between Germany and Singapore)
    43. U.S.
    50. Saudi Arabia
    118. Iran
    127. Qatar

    Replies: @22pp22, @Reg Cæsar

    A lot of places in the world are perfectly safe, not just in East Asia. Thessaloniki is completely safe at three in the morning despite the economic downturn. So is Cyprus. In fact, I reckon Cyprus is safer than Japan, whatever the statistics say.

    It pains me to admit it, but NZ/UK/Oz are not due to uncivilized drinking habits. Men are in far more danger than women if they walk down the street at three in the morning.

    What also surprised me about Korea, and to a lesser extent Japan, is the spread of decadence among the young. Koreans, even with military service, are turning into a bunch of pansies with an unnatural obsession with their hair. And the less said about K-pop idols the better.

    Five minutes ago, Japanese and Koreans were tough as nails. What happened?

    Mongolia is absolutely not safe – again due to spectacularly uncivilized drinking habits.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @22pp22


    A lot of places in the world are perfectly safe, not just in East Asia.
     
    “Safe” is hard to define is often a subjective frame of mind. But we can certainly compare criminality, both physical and property, which can be quantified easily.

    In fact, I reckon Cyprus is safer than Japan, whatever the statistics say.
     
    You may think so. Compared to much of the world, Cyprus, Japan, and South Korea all seem to have low physical criminality. But if you cared to compare the statistics, here is one measure: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Cyprus 1.11 per 100,000
    Japan 0.28
    South Korea 0.70
    Mongolia 5.66

    Five minutes ago, Japanese and Koreans were tough as nails. What happened?
     
    Easy living and no threats.

    Replies: @22pp22

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @22pp22


    It pains me to admit it, but NZ/UK/Oz are not [safe] due to uncivilized drinking habits.

     

    Probably the only good thing that came out of Prohibition is that the resultant speakeasy culture civilized American public drinking habits. Making noise in the street is considered completely out-of-bounds (not to mention it lowers the surrounding property values), and that one drunken Scot in Houston paid for it with his life.

    Men are in far more danger than women if they walk down the street at three in the morning.

     

    Supposedly that was true in Dodge City as well.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  230. @Mr. Anon
    @SporadicMyrmidon


    Lacking better counterarguments, I’m classing Farrow with the currently rare honest, intelligent and hard-working leftists like Alan Dershowitz and Glenn Greenwald who are willing to pursue the truth where it leads.
     
    I think Greenwald is an honorable man. I have no reason to doubt as much. But Alan D. just strikes me as a slimy, opportunistic creep. And I would not be surprised if his recent sucking up to FOX News and the Trump administration is down to his desire to seek political protection in the wake of his involvement in the Jeffrey Epstein case.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    I knew a (Jewish) lawyer who always referred to Alan Dershowitz as “the man with three middle names”: Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz, which is how his name unfailingly appeared in the press.

    Yes, there may have been some envy in this.

  231. @22pp22
    @Twinkie

    A lot of places in the world are perfectly safe, not just in East Asia. Thessaloniki is completely safe at three in the morning despite the economic downturn. So is Cyprus. In fact, I reckon Cyprus is safer than Japan, whatever the statistics say.

    It pains me to admit it, but NZ/UK/Oz are not due to uncivilized drinking habits. Men are in far more danger than women if they walk down the street at three in the morning.

    What also surprised me about Korea, and to a lesser extent Japan, is the spread of decadence among the young. Koreans, even with military service, are turning into a bunch of pansies with an unnatural obsession with their hair. And the less said about K-pop idols the better.

    Five minutes ago, Japanese and Koreans were tough as nails. What happened?

    Mongolia is absolutely not safe - again due to spectacularly uncivilized drinking habits.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Reg Cæsar

    A lot of places in the world are perfectly safe, not just in East Asia.

    “Safe” is hard to define is often a subjective frame of mind. But we can certainly compare criminality, both physical and property, which can be quantified easily.

    In fact, I reckon Cyprus is safer than Japan, whatever the statistics say.

    You may think so. Compared to much of the world, Cyprus, Japan, and South Korea all seem to have low physical criminality. But if you cared to compare the statistics, here is one measure: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Cyprus 1.11 per 100,000
    Japan 0.28
    South Korea 0.70
    Mongolia 5.66

    Five minutes ago, Japanese and Koreans were tough as nails. What happened?

    Easy living and no threats.

    • Replies: @22pp22
    @Twinkie

    Are you Japanese or Korean? I thought you were Japanese. If you are Korean, I apologize for being rude. I am all for freedom of speech - when it's necessary. Gratuitously hurtful comments are never called for.

    On the subject of Japan's murder rate, I am not sure I believe the statistics coming out of Japan. The yakuza are widespread and obvious and their activities tolerated as long as they don't go too far.

    I had a colleague whose father got into debt with the wrong people. Her mother tied a bicycle to herself and jumped off a pier (or was she pushed) and the daughter cam to my host family begging for help. She was given enough money to allow her to "evaporate". I have never been able to get the truth out of anyone as to what happened to the father.

    That wasn't counted as murder.

    It happened thirty years ago and things may be different now.

    I also remember the saga of that silly English girl who got herself murdered - the Lucy Affair.

    Even if the murder rate in Japan is as high as I think it is, it is still low by world standards.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @Anonymous

  232. @James Forrestal
    @Almost Missouri


    Sometimes the ownership is direct such as with Carlos Slim and the NYT or Bezos and the WaPo.
     
    The NYT has been controlled by the (((Ochs/ Sulzberger))) family since 1896. Sure, Slim invested quite a few shekels in the Times. Though he later sold off about half:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/365763-mexican-billionaire-carlos-slim-sells-off-half-of-ny-times-shares

    But more importantly, no matter how many Class A (publicly traded) shares Slim (or anyone else) purchases, the Sulzbergers still control all of the Class B (super-voting) shares:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/opinion/nocera-how-punch-protected-the-times.html

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ny-times-shareholders-withhold-vote-chairman-defends-structure

    https://investors.nytco.com/investors/investor-resources/faqs/default.aspx

    Which means that the Sulzbergers get to choose 9 out of the 13 board members. Carlos Slim "controlling" the NYT is a boomer-tier false meme. Who represented the NYT in talking to Trump again?

    As far as WaPo goes, it's interesting to note that a few months after Bezos bought the Post, Amazon was awarded a $600 million contract for cloud computing... from the CIA. They weren't the low bidder. But everyone knows that the CIA only deals in espionage and covert operations overseas, not domestic propaganda, so I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri

    Good point. Nevertheless, the Sulzbergers are also wealthy and influential and part of the oligarchy.

    My comment’s first draft read “Sulzberger/Slim”, but in the interest of brevity I reduced it to only the name more prominent on iSteve.

    Also, thanks for the Amazon tip. How do you know that Amazon wasn’t the low bidder?

  233. @22pp22
    I have had the misfortune to live in Korea. I like Japanese people, by and large, but I have had to work hard to try to overcome the visceral dislike of Koreans that I acquired there. I cannot believe that anyone of Korean heritage can be enough of a hypocrite to accuse anyone else at all of racial bigotry.

    On those rare occasions when they are being nice they treat you like a puppy that needs to be petted one moment and chastised the next.

    Her comments and those of her Korean fan club are entirely in character. I would not care if she at least has the decency to remain in Korea.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I have had the misfortune to live in Korea.

    Westerners seem to either love living there or hate it. Few seem to be lukewarm about the place. However, the former seem to outnumber the latter, judging from the rapid increase in non-Koreans (including Westerners) in ROK.

    • Replies: @White Guy In Japan
    @Twinkie

    This white dude sure hated living in South Korea.

    https://klownisms.wordpress.com/

    Only visited twice so I can't really say.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Twinkie

  234. @eah
    This is her in 2016, streaked hair and all -- not an uninteresting video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bltoTMJZetc

    Replies: @eah, @Forbes, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

    It is striking that despite being a professional left wing writer, she doesn’t know where the money comes from to pay her. She naively thinks it is something to do with advertising and she is worried about ad blockers. Her powerpoint slide even has a humorous-step-2-question-mark in the 3-step sequence of how she gets paid (3:20). She even tells the the story of her admired colleague whose news site died from lack of ad revenue (5:10). She just doesn’t get it. The only people who make money on digital advertising are named Google and Facebook. Everyone else in the market is either trivial, cornered there or chumps or some combination.

    So where does the money come from then? I wrote the comment already on this thread, but I’ll say it again here. The left media is oligarch-run and oligarch-paid. It is the Oligarch Media.

    Sarah, being a left wing writer in the current year means pleasing your real bosses: the oligarchs. Serve them and your career will blossom. This is what it means to be left wing today.

  235. @HunInTheSun
    Yes, and let’s not forget Emma Sulkowicz, the “Mattress Girl" of 2013, who ensnared her fellow Columbia student and German (!) national Paul Nungesser in a rape fantasy which disappeared into the ether after official examination of the facts and despite a ceaseless barrage of feminist victimization gibberish.

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @Hail, @eah

    Emma Sulkowicz

    She got a wikipedia page out of it. She seems pretty highly unstable. As many on the /hapas reddit have it, this seems pretty standard for White-father, East Asian-mother pairings.

    Note: She is half-Jewish and seemingly half SE-Asia Overseas Chinese. (Another of the emerging half-Jewish, half-East Asian Jewish auxiliary force described by Amy Chua in her Tiger Mother book. If Sarah Jeong had a baby with a White man, gentile or Jewish, the baby would probably also grow up to be such.

    Krazy Emma Sulkowicz’s mother is a Sandra Leong. Leong is a spelling used in Malaysia, Singapore, Macau, and Hong Kong, not used by PRC-Chinese or Taiwanese (it seems). Of the four Leongs listed by Wikipedia, two are from Hong Kong, one Macau, and one Malaysia.

    • Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    @Hail


    She seems pretty highly unstable. As many on the /hapas reddit have it, this seems pretty standard for White-father, East Asian-mother pairings.
     
    Sounds like the NOWAG corollary to Sailer’s First Law of Female Journalism.
  236. @eah
    @eah

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj4RoifVAAErRoM.jpg

    Replies: @Hail

  237. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I don’t think the Vietnamese are heavily Christian to begin with – the majority are either Buddhist or unaffiliated.
     
    As with the Lebanese, Christian Vietnamese families were much more likely to escape Vietnam, for obvious reasons. Both Koreans and Vietnamese also appreciated the strong anti-communism of the GOP during the Cold War.

    I don’t get the feeling that American born Korean-American hipsters like Sarah with the orange hair are really hanging around evangelical churches that much.
     
    Your feeling notwithstanding, Sarah Jeong is not the only type of American-born Korean. See: http://religion.ssrc.org/reforum/Kim.pdf

    To wit:

    One out of four Evangelical college students at New York City colleges and universities are Asian American (Carnes and Yang 2004; Sax et al. 1997). At Harvard, Asian Americans constitute 70 percent of the Harvard Radcliffe Christian Fellowship, and given the popularity of Evangelical Christian fellowships, one can easily spot students who proudly don t-shirts with phrases like “the Asian Awakening” (Chang 2000: 1). At Yale, Campus Crusade for Christ is 90 percent Asian, whereas twenty years ago it was 100 percent white. On the West Coast, the Asian American membership at Stanford’s InterVarsity Christian Fellowship (IVCF) from 1989 to 1999, increased by 84 percent, compared to a 31 percent increase in its overall membership (Busto 1996). Meanwhile, UC Berkeley and UCLA have more than fifty Asian Christian fellowships and most of their members are Asian American (Busto 1996; Chang 2000; Hong 2000). UCLA alone has more than ten Korean Christian related fellowships. On most college campuses, you have a far better chance of finding a Chinese Christian fellowship than a Chinese Buddhist club.
     
    I belonged to the Campus Crusade for Christ as an undergraduate, and it was basically made up of white athletes from the Midwest and the South and Koreans.

    American Jews show their contempt for Christian whites in a strange way, since 70% of them are selecting them for their spouses.
     
    When Jews and gentile whites intermarry, the children generally seem to identify as Jewish whereas when Asians and whites intermarry, the children often identify as white. Tiger Mom Amy Chua’s children are on record as stating that they “are Jewish and only are Chinese in food...” Both Jews and Asians intermarry, but one of them is expanding the tribe while the other is assimilating.

    The type of Jews, Indians, E. Asians of all (or mostly no) religions that are found on elite campuses love (often literally) Goodwhites whom they consider to be their friends, peers and equals and hate, hate, hate Badwhites.
     
    East Asians (and Vietnamese and Filipinos) hang out with “Badwhites” a lot more than Jews and Indians do, because they go to church with them and serve in the military together. It’s not a coincidence that those three Asian groups have the highest rates of assimilation while Indians have the lowest among Asians.

    Why do you think the Harvard admissions is favoring “Indians, Nepalis...” and not Koreans?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hail

    Tiger Mom Amy Chua’s children are on record as stating that they “are Jewish and only are Chinese in food…”

    I remember this, too. There is much corroboration of this from glancing at the Tiger Daughters’ public social media. One in particular is an aggressive Zionist, Jewish-nationalist (I recall her bashing Jewish softliners and calling for a Jewish Israel), and neither daughter seemed particularly interested in Asia/China.

  238. @Prester John
    @Desiderius

    I knew one of Goombah Frank's security guards , a retired NYPD officer whose job it was to make sure that Frank wasn't wandering thru hotel hallways naked--as he was wont to do towards the end of his life. He told me that even in his 80s and thoroughly demented, Sinatra was still "hung like a horse". Hollywood is a small town and word gets around, so no doubt this fact enhanced his reputation as a lady's man and swordsman extraordinaire.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I think it was Ava Gardner who said something like, “Frank weighs 100 pounds soaking wet, and 10 pounds of that is cock”.

  239. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    At the time that Ronan Farrow was conceived (March, 1987) Frank Sinatra was 71 years old and recovering from recent serious colon surgery. By that point, he looked more like Mia Farrow's grandfather than a sex symbol.

    It strikes me that the universe of possible fathers for Ronan is larger than just 2 men. I have no idea who Mia Farrow was palling around with in those days but it could have been someone else besides these two. I really doubt that he is Woody Allen's son but I also doubt that he is Frank's either.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @PiltdownMan, @Anonym

    Sinatra got around. I personally know someone who slept with someone who slept with Sinatra. It’s only one event, but…

    • Replies: @res
    @Anonym

    Six Degrees of Frank Sinatra?

  240. @Sapwood
    @Dave Pinsen

    Ronan Farrow also graduated from Yale Law at the unusually young age of 21. If he wanted a Big Law job, he could have easily obtained one.

    Of course he didn't go that route because he has family wealth and Big Law is not a good life. Why slave away at Sull Crom for 80 hours a week if you don't need the money?

    Replies: @Anonym

    Of course he didn’t go that route because he has family wealth and Big Law is not a good life. Why slave away at Sull Crom for 80 hours a week if you don’t need the money?

    Hey, that sounds like fun.

  241. @Twinkie
    @22pp22


    I have had the misfortune to live in Korea.
     
    Westerners seem to either love living there or hate it. Few seem to be lukewarm about the place. However, the former seem to outnumber the latter, judging from the rapid increase in non-Koreans (including Westerners) in ROK.

    Replies: @White Guy In Japan

    This white dude sure hated living in South Korea.

    https://klownisms.wordpress.com/

    Only visited twice so I can’t really say.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @White Guy In Japan


    This white dude sure hated living in South Korea.

    https://klownisms.wordpress.com/

    Only visited twice so I can’t really say.
     
    Reading some of the posts there I'm not sure that individual was cut out for long-term expatriation to a foreign country, especially one as different as Korea.

    He doesn't seem to love the US either, but he does admit to missing certain aspects of Chicago. Overall, he comes off as a generally unhappy, easily-triggered millennial-type.
    , @Twinkie
    @White Guy In Japan


    This white dude sure hated living in South Korea.
     
    Go on YouTube. There are lots of Westerners who speak of South Korea like heaven on earth (some of which, vapidly enough, seem to center around the foodie/delivery culture). E.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SYQcJpEjIY
  242. @George
    "quite simply, the fact that with the media’s profitability in free fall, "

    I like the economic analysis. The Times ended up with a Harvard Gender Law graduate possibly because that is the least well paid legal specialization.

    This is an interesting article in the Guardian about an actually talented female writer who explains how at a very young age she decided to sleep her way to the top.

    ‘I remember thinking his waning vitality could be used to my advantage’
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/aug/04/ottessa-moshfegh-student-approached-male-writer-granta

    "I’ve always wanted to write the story because it was such a weird thing to be doing when I was 17, and it kind of impressed me when I looked back on it, that I had so much gall."

    Interesting to me that a woman of letters with some claim to Jewishness had 'the gall' not the chutzpah. According to Ms Internet both words imply audacity but gall implies imprudence while chutzpah implies shameless. Is there a subtle difference between British gall vs Ashkenazi chutzpah? Or does she mean she was too young and naive for her gall to develop into chutzpah? Or being Persian does she just avoid Ashkenazi ethnic signaling. Or something else?

    Moshfegh is brilliant at self-marketing, she knows intuitively the female victim space is full and the supply demand mismatch is on the side of fem-fatal. I am positive she has been victimized in one way or another in her action packed 37 years, but why waste valuable time writing about stuff that at best might get you a middling pay job on the Times editorial board when you can spend your time writing serious books or for Conde Nast.

    Ottessa Moshfegh: ‘I wanted to tell a story in which I wasn’t a victim’
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/aug/04/ottessa-moshfegh-interview-granta-short-story

    Moshfegh has an Iranian Jewish father and Croatian mother. This raised a question in my mind about NY Times editorial board diversity. There isn't any Jewish diversity at the Times. Friedman, David Brooks, Bari Weiss, why no Middle Eastern Jews? Or Persian Jews like Moshfegh? Moshfegh might have something to say about the most important topic this minute, Iran, but either no one is asking, or she's not telling.

    Pro tip for aspiring writers: If am searching the net correctly, Moshfegh does not seem to use or need social media. I don't see any Tweets and her Face Book page is not viewable by people without a facebook profile like me. She apparently does not get woman of letters career advice from tech journals or the NY Times.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jack D

    Sounds like the creepy old male writer was Philip Roth. The dates and ages match up, not to mention character. The real Roth’s wife had divorced him rather than died, as in Moshfegh’s description, but she may have changed that detail to something functionally similar to disguise Roth a little more. Roth’s ex’s memoir about leaving Roth was titled Leaving the Doll House, and Moshdegh described how beautifully decorated Roth’s wife had left his apartment.

    “Rupert Dicks” scans the same as Philip Roth.

    I won’t comment on the Anglo-for-Jewish substitution.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Moshdegh strikes me as the kind of not-very-attractive woman who fancies herself to be such hot stuff that men are always trying to get into her pants, when in fact most men are not at all interested in her 2/10 looks. For all I know, the entire story is a figment of her imagination - she is after all a talented writer of fiction.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  243. @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    @SFG

    Ah, Albertosaurus. How long has it been since he lasted posted here?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Today.  He’s going by his real name now.

  244. @Anonymous
    @eah

    She is fresh and charming and engaging in that video. What happened? Sad!

    Replies: @eah

    What happened?

    Actually I think most of her Twitter activity getting attention right now happened well before the year of this video (2016) — perhaps even the vast majority — but I have not followed it all that closely.

  245. @22pp22
    @Twinkie

    A lot of places in the world are perfectly safe, not just in East Asia. Thessaloniki is completely safe at three in the morning despite the economic downturn. So is Cyprus. In fact, I reckon Cyprus is safer than Japan, whatever the statistics say.

    It pains me to admit it, but NZ/UK/Oz are not due to uncivilized drinking habits. Men are in far more danger than women if they walk down the street at three in the morning.

    What also surprised me about Korea, and to a lesser extent Japan, is the spread of decadence among the young. Koreans, even with military service, are turning into a bunch of pansies with an unnatural obsession with their hair. And the less said about K-pop idols the better.

    Five minutes ago, Japanese and Koreans were tough as nails. What happened?

    Mongolia is absolutely not safe - again due to spectacularly uncivilized drinking habits.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Reg Cæsar

    It pains me to admit it, but NZ/UK/Oz are not [safe] due to uncivilized drinking habits.

    Probably the only good thing that came out of Prohibition is that the resultant speakeasy culture civilized American public drinking habits. Making noise in the street is considered completely out-of-bounds (not to mention it lowers the surrounding property values), and that one drunken Scot in Houston paid for it with his life.

    Men are in far more danger than women if they walk down the street at three in the morning.

    Supposedly that was true in Dodge City as well.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Reg Cæsar


    Probably the only good thing that came out of Prohibition is that the resultant speakeasy culture civilized American public drinking habits.
     
    Someone needs to watch more TXStreetfights TV....

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCazGlbA17F9An1pfjISih1w

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  246. @eah
    @Mr. Rational

    Not to judge the morality of abortion

    I don't see how you could or why you would want to avoid that -- my feeling/conviction has always been that it's clearly morally wrong -- this is why I get angry when I hear that Congress has again decided to fund PP, which is an abortion factory (something like 90% of visits to PP are for abortion 'services') -- it forces taxpayers who may be morally opposed to subsidize abortion, which is another moral wrong -- that said, I reluctantly concede it should not be generally illegal.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Jack D

    I don’t see how you could or why you would want to avoid that — my feeling/conviction has always been that it’s clearly morally wrong

    My position is pretty much the opposite; I’ve taken apart the verses used by pro-lifers to back themselves up biblically and found that most of them are first-person claims from prophets and one is clearly a flight of fancy (Psalm 139:15).  There’s nothing like a call to mourn first-trimester miscarriages, which is the equivalent of most induced abortions.  The Christian case for “pro-life” is clearly reading something into the book that is not there.

    But practically, if the USA had had 60 or 80 million Blacks in 2016 instead of 40 million, we’d have President Hillary and neither you nor I would be posting here.  Maybe we wouldn’t even be free men any more.  Roe v. Wade was indispensible in making MAGA possible.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational

    "Thou shalt not murder"?

    Why was the black population portion decreasing before Roe v. Wade, and why is it increasing now?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Rational

    B


    ut practically, if the USA had had 60 or 80 million Blacks in 2016 instead of 40 million, we’d have President Hillary and neither you nor I would be posting here.
     
    Funny, but before 1963 blacks acted more responsibly sexually than whites have since 1973. Believe it or not, they are actually capable of avoiding having children even in the absence of abortion.

    Some people have no sense of history.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  247. @Twinkie
    @Bill P


    That Korean immigrants to the US have the highest rate of domestic violence among all East Asians? Or the fact that Korean women are more often homicide victims than men? Maybe that in Korea one can beat women on the street with impunity and general apathy?
     
    I don’t know about the first two as I haven’t seen the data (and I’d like to see it)*, but the third is categorically false.

    This argues strongly against your assertions: https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_domestic_violence

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_domestic_violence#/media/File%3AMap3.1NEW_Womens_Physical_Security_2011_compressed.jpg

    If you get on YouTube, there are lots of non-Korean (often Western) women who live in Korea who cite safety as one of the best things about living there. Their oft-repeated line sounds virtually the same - “As a woman, I love the fact that you can walk home at night and be completely safe.”

    Or how about the fact that Korea clusters with Islamic countries in global gender equality indices?
     
    Keep making stuff up. See: http://hdr.undp.org/en/composite/GII

    2015 Gender InEquality Index Rankings

    1. Switzerland
    10. Republic of Korea (Between Germany and Singapore)
    43. U.S.
    50. Saudi Arabia
    118. Iran
    127. Qatar

    Replies: @22pp22, @Reg Cæsar

    Korea is immediately behind Germany? That place where men were hectored to use the toilet sitting down?

    I’d be more proud of our #48. It shows our moderation in these things. In practise, not theory that is.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Reg Cæsar


    Korea is immediately behind Germany? That place where men were hectored to use the toilet sitting down?

    I’d be more proud of our #48. It shows our moderation in these things. In practise, not theory that is.
     
    I wasn't commenting on whether the ranking was a good or bad thing - merely falsifying Bill P's nonsense that "Korea clusters with Islamic countries in global gender equality indices."
  248. @HunInTheSun
    Yes, and let’s not forget Emma Sulkowicz, the “Mattress Girl" of 2013, who ensnared her fellow Columbia student and German (!) national Paul Nungesser in a rape fantasy which disappeared into the ether after official examination of the facts and despite a ceaseless barrage of feminist victimization gibberish.

    Replies: @WowJustWow, @Hail, @eah

  249. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    but I don’t know how it is even possible for most Hapas to identify as white since they have clearly Asian features
     
    1. Self-identification.

    2. Hapas don’t all look the same. There is a range. Some look very Asian. Some look indeterminate. Some look pretty white.

    Replies: @Anon, @Captain Tripps

    As far as personal experience goes, I look pretty intermediate and never consciously identified as non-white. I think in the US there is mostly “white plus some others” and “black” as far as race is concerned (outside of politics), not counting Latin-Americans as other factors apply to them.

  250. @George
    "quite simply, the fact that with the media’s profitability in free fall, "

    I like the economic analysis. The Times ended up with a Harvard Gender Law graduate possibly because that is the least well paid legal specialization.

    This is an interesting article in the Guardian about an actually talented female writer who explains how at a very young age she decided to sleep her way to the top.

    ‘I remember thinking his waning vitality could be used to my advantage’
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/aug/04/ottessa-moshfegh-student-approached-male-writer-granta

    "I’ve always wanted to write the story because it was such a weird thing to be doing when I was 17, and it kind of impressed me when I looked back on it, that I had so much gall."

    Interesting to me that a woman of letters with some claim to Jewishness had 'the gall' not the chutzpah. According to Ms Internet both words imply audacity but gall implies imprudence while chutzpah implies shameless. Is there a subtle difference between British gall vs Ashkenazi chutzpah? Or does she mean she was too young and naive for her gall to develop into chutzpah? Or being Persian does she just avoid Ashkenazi ethnic signaling. Or something else?

    Moshfegh is brilliant at self-marketing, she knows intuitively the female victim space is full and the supply demand mismatch is on the side of fem-fatal. I am positive she has been victimized in one way or another in her action packed 37 years, but why waste valuable time writing about stuff that at best might get you a middling pay job on the Times editorial board when you can spend your time writing serious books or for Conde Nast.

    Ottessa Moshfegh: ‘I wanted to tell a story in which I wasn’t a victim’
    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/aug/04/ottessa-moshfegh-interview-granta-short-story

    Moshfegh has an Iranian Jewish father and Croatian mother. This raised a question in my mind about NY Times editorial board diversity. There isn't any Jewish diversity at the Times. Friedman, David Brooks, Bari Weiss, why no Middle Eastern Jews? Or Persian Jews like Moshfegh? Moshfegh might have something to say about the most important topic this minute, Iran, but either no one is asking, or she's not telling.

    Pro tip for aspiring writers: If am searching the net correctly, Moshfegh does not seem to use or need social media. I don't see any Tweets and her Face Book page is not viewable by people without a facebook profile like me. She apparently does not get woman of letters career advice from tech journals or the NY Times.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Jack D

    Maybe 90% of American Jews are Ashkenazi. Non-Ashkenazi Jews don’t seem to have the same verbal talents or interests as Ashkenazi Jews for the most part although Moshfegh is a rare exception. Maybe if the NYT had a roster of 100 columnists they’d have a Sephardic Jew among them but they don’t have that many.

    Chutzpah is a Yiddish word (via Hebrew) and maybe Moshfegh is not inclined to pepper her writing with Yiddish which means nothing to her. Personally as an actual Yiddish speaker I find it annoying when American Jews who know 10 words of Yiddish pepper their speech with it and half the time use the words incorrectly or pronounce them wrong anyway. But maybe I shouldn’t kvetch so much. (Kvetch btw means squeeze and specifically the groan you make when you bear down on your constipated bowels).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Kvetch btw means squeeze and specifically the groan you make when you bear down on your constipated bowels
     
    https://cdn0.rubylane.com/_pod/item/11055/003192/Soupy-Sales-Talking-Turtle-Childrenx27s-Book-full-3-2048-54.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

  251. @eah
    @Mr. Rational

    Not to judge the morality of abortion

    I don't see how you could or why you would want to avoid that -- my feeling/conviction has always been that it's clearly morally wrong -- this is why I get angry when I hear that Congress has again decided to fund PP, which is an abortion factory (something like 90% of visits to PP are for abortion 'services') -- it forces taxpayers who may be morally opposed to subsidize abortion, which is another moral wrong -- that said, I reluctantly concede it should not be generally illegal.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @Jack D

    PP and freely available abortion have been one of the few eugenic things in our society in the last 50 years. Every $ that they spend on PP saves the taxpayers an eternity of subsidizing people who will be mostly net negative contributors forever- it’s the best $ that Washington spends. Our cities are halfway livable again because of it.

    There are a lot of morally objectionable things that taxpayers subsidize. Pacifists are morally opposed to war but subsidize the Pentagon. If the government couldn’t spend money on anything that anyone had a moral objection to, it couldn’t exist.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Jack D


    PP and freely available abortion have been one of the few eugenic things in our society in the last 50 years.
     
    This assumes that women who get abortions don't go out and do the same dumb thing again and conceive a child with a loser. This time, their consciences shrieking, they keep the child and go on welfare of some type. Had they kept the first child that was killed, they likely wouldn't be having the second. There's no way of measuring this, of course, but it fits the pattern I've seen.

    One woman I know had an abortion in college, age 22. Messed up as she was, she went on to marry and had six kids with her low-income husband. All of those kids wound up just as messed up as her and the total that the welfare system had to cough up was huge over the years. Had she kept that first child her life would have been utterly different and much less expensive for the rest of us. There's no going back and her life, tough as it was, worked out, but don't assume that abortion is saving the rest of us any money.
    , @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D

    If freely available abortion was so eugenic, why has the undesirable portion of the population increased since then?

    Yes, your part of NYC has become more livable, but that is not the national picture. You can thank Rudy Giuliani for your local good fortune.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  252. There was a now pretty well know piece published in Playboy in the 60’s titled “The Pious Pornographers” (https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/william-versen/the-pious-pornographers/) on this subject.

  253. @Anon
    @Altai

    good lord that woman is bonkers

    Replies: @Altai, @Rosamond Vincy

    The most terrifying, nuanced, and incrdible villain in all of Star Wars lore….
    [Serial comma and italicized movie title added.]

    Anyone who thinks Kylo Ren is cooler than Darth Vader is unworthy of the proud label “geek.”

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Rosamond Vincy

    Whoops. Clicked bold instead of italics by mistake. Mea minima culpa.

  254. @Almost Missouri
    @George

    Sounds like the creepy old male writer was Philip Roth. The dates and ages match up, not to mention character. The real Roth's wife had divorced him rather than died, as in Moshfegh's description, but she may have changed that detail to something functionally similar to disguise Roth a little more. Roth's ex's memoir about leaving Roth was titled Leaving the Doll House, and Moshdegh described how beautifully decorated Roth's wife had left his apartment.

    "Rupert Dicks" scans the same as Philip Roth.

    I won't comment on the Anglo-for-Jewish substitution.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Moshdegh strikes me as the kind of not-very-attractive woman who fancies herself to be such hot stuff that men are always trying to get into her pants, when in fact most men are not at all interested in her 2/10 looks. For all I know, the entire story is a figment of her imagination – she is after all a talented writer of fiction.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D

    Most modern fiction writers are notably lacking in imagination.

  255. @Anonym
    @Desiderius

    Compared to Woody Allen, Sinatra is Michaelangelo's David. Maybe Woody Allen looked more like the real David though.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Oh hell no.

    “For he was a young man, ruddy, and of a comely countenance.”

    Also an outdoor kid used to farm labor, good with a slingshot, and destined to become an effective soldier and leader.

    Allen was presumably once young. That and religion are about all they have in common, and David would barely recognize the intellectualized version Allen inherited (and pretty much rejected, except as food for satire).

  256. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Jack D


    Hitchcock takes the torture of women to another level in his next to last movie, Frenzy
     
    Hitchcock was a sick bastard. It is easy to imagine Whiskey making the same movies were he similarly situated. I assumed that Hitchcock's enablers knew this, but averted their gaze to ride the gravy train. OTOH the Brits, for all their supposed proximity to us, are somewhat opaque. They might have thought Hitchcock was a capital fellow. Brits seem to be at least a half bubble off center, and often pressed up to one side or the other of the level.

    The Brits are unbalanced.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Jack D

    Hitchcock was a (lapsed) Catholic and this may have led to his recurring theme, that “the wages of sin are death”.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    Hitchcock was a sick bastard. --> Hitchcock was a (lapsed) Catholic?
    Totally not anti-Catholic.

    Bringing up Leo Frank in a discussion of Jews and the South?
    TOTALLY anti-Semitic.

    I'm not saying you're anti-Catholic, but maybe you should check the settings on your bars there.

  257. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    but I don’t know how it is even possible for most Hapas to identify as white since they have clearly Asian features
     
    1. Self-identification.

    2. Hapas don’t all look the same. There is a range. Some look very Asian. Some look indeterminate. Some look pretty white.

    Replies: @Anon, @Captain Tripps

    Agree with Twinkie on this. We both have mixed children; my daughter, who has been variously mistaken for Native American, Italian, and Greek, definitely has more European features, but currently she’s more in to her Asian heritage. My son looks more Asian, but he currently identifies with his European heritage. Both are proud of their combined heritage. This is something that should be considered on a per-individual basis.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Captain Tripps

    Nowadays people have all sorts of crazy self identifications - men "identifying" as women, mulattoes identifying as "black" but the point is that most hapas will be perceived by others as either fully Asian or "not quite white" . On the mainland, hapas are still rare enough that people can't quite identify the look but when people think that your daughter is Amerindian or something, they are trying to say "we know what you are not (100% European) but we're not sure what you are". (Not that it makes a big difference nowadays - it's not like they are going to put her in an internment camp once they figure out the truth).

    It's also probably no accident that the child who is most insecure about her Asian identity (because she looks the least Asian) "identifies" as Asian and vice versa.

    Replies: @Anon, @Johann Ricke, @Twinkie

  258. @Jack D
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Hitchcock was a (lapsed) Catholic and this may have led to his recurring theme, that "the wages of sin are death".

    Replies: @Anon

    Hitchcock was a sick bastard. –> Hitchcock was a (lapsed) Catholic?
    Totally not anti-Catholic.

    Bringing up Leo Frank in a discussion of Jews and the South?
    TOTALLY anti-Semitic.

    I’m not saying you’re anti-Catholic, but maybe you should check the settings on your bars there.

  259. @Jack D
    @dcite

    And yet humans are wired in a strange way - approximately 5% of rape victims report having orgasms during their rape - the actual % is believed to be higher because many victims are reluctant to admit this.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    Isn’t that men who experience that while being raped? That’s what I’ve read, and I doubt it’s any way voluntary or pleasurable.

  260. @Jack D
    @eah

    PP and freely available abortion have been one of the few eugenic things in our society in the last 50 years. Every $ that they spend on PP saves the taxpayers an eternity of subsidizing people who will be mostly net negative contributors forever- it's the best $ that Washington spends. Our cities are halfway livable again because of it.

    There are a lot of morally objectionable things that taxpayers subsidize. Pacifists are morally opposed to war but subsidize the Pentagon. If the government couldn't spend money on anything that anyone had a moral objection to, it couldn't exist.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Almost Missouri

    PP and freely available abortion have been one of the few eugenic things in our society in the last 50 years.

    This assumes that women who get abortions don’t go out and do the same dumb thing again and conceive a child with a loser. This time, their consciences shrieking, they keep the child and go on welfare of some type. Had they kept the first child that was killed, they likely wouldn’t be having the second. There’s no way of measuring this, of course, but it fits the pattern I’ve seen.

    One woman I know had an abortion in college, age 22. Messed up as she was, she went on to marry and had six kids with her low-income husband. All of those kids wound up just as messed up as her and the total that the welfare system had to cough up was huge over the years. Had she kept that first child her life would have been utterly different and much less expensive for the rest of us. There’s no going back and her life, tough as it was, worked out, but don’t assume that abortion is saving the rest of us any money.

  261. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Corvinus

    Your gaslighting is noted, sapper. You do your master proud, don't you?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Your gaslighting is noted, sapper. You do your master proud, don’t you?”

    So you took a term from DJT’s twitter feed, but improperly used it. So in the future, think about when you didn’t remember things correctly, and adjust your conduct accordingly.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Corvinus


    So you took a term from DJT’s twitter feed, but improperly used it
     
    No, it's quite correctly used.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapper#Sapping
    , @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    @Corvinus

    Physician, heal thyself...

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Corvinus


    So in the future, think about when you didn’t remember things correctly, and adjust your conduct accordingly.
     
    ...ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.
  262. @Corvinus
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    "Your gaslighting is noted, sapper. You do your master proud, don’t you?"

    So you took a term from DJT's twitter feed, but improperly used it. So in the future, think about when you didn't remember things correctly, and adjust your conduct accordingly.

    Replies: @Anon, @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    So you took a term from DJT’s twitter feed, but improperly used it

    No, it’s quite correctly used.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapper#Sapping

  263. @Captain Tripps
    @Twinkie

    Agree with Twinkie on this. We both have mixed children; my daughter, who has been variously mistaken for Native American, Italian, and Greek, definitely has more European features, but currently she's more in to her Asian heritage. My son looks more Asian, but he currently identifies with his European heritage. Both are proud of their combined heritage. This is something that should be considered on a per-individual basis.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Nowadays people have all sorts of crazy self identifications – men “identifying” as women, mulattoes identifying as “black” but the point is that most hapas will be perceived by others as either fully Asian or “not quite white” . On the mainland, hapas are still rare enough that people can’t quite identify the look but when people think that your daughter is Amerindian or something, they are trying to say “we know what you are not (100% European) but we’re not sure what you are”. (Not that it makes a big difference nowadays – it’s not like they are going to put her in an internment camp once they figure out the truth).

    It’s also probably no accident that the child who is most insecure about her Asian identity (because she looks the least Asian) “identifies” as Asian and vice versa.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    Is this a white man?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas

    What about this guy?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_V._Haynes

    How about these guys?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Jews#/media/File:Yemenite_father_and_son.jpg

    As much to the point, does anyone care?


    most hapas will be perceived by others as either fully Asian or “not quite white”
     
    It depends; sometimes it can be hard to tell. But at most this means, what, they won't be able to get into the American Nazi Party?
    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    It’s also probably no accident that the child who is most insecure about her Asian identity (because she looks the least Asian) “identifies” as Asian and vice versa.
     
    Lisa See, the Chinese American author, is a prime example:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_See

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    the point is that most hapas will be perceived by others as either fully Asian or “not quite white” .
     
    Speak for yourself. When my children hang out in the upper Midwest every summer, they are largely viewed as "exotic whites." No one thinks they are "fully Asian." And "not quite white" is not accurate either. "Part-white" is. The old one-drop rule seems to apply mostly to black-mixes and not so much to Asian-mixes in the United States, notwithstanding your particular views.

    By the way, hapas are not uncommon in super zip codes. I live in an area that is 80% white and 15% Asian (used to be mostly Koreans and Vietnamese, now increasingly Chinese and Indians), and I see hapas (besides my own children) everyday - on the street, at shops, at kids' afterschool programs, etc.

    It’s also probably no accident that the child who is most insecure about her Asian identity (because she looks the least Asian) “identifies” as Asian and vice versa.
     
    You don't even know who they are, but already got them psycho-analytically figured out via Internet, huh?
  264. @Corvinus
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    "Your gaslighting is noted, sapper. You do your master proud, don’t you?"

    So you took a term from DJT's twitter feed, but improperly used it. So in the future, think about when you didn't remember things correctly, and adjust your conduct accordingly.

    Replies: @Anon, @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Physician, heal thyself…

  265. @Hail
    @HunInTheSun


    Emma Sulkowicz
     
    She got a wikipedia page out of it. She seems pretty highly unstable. As many on the /hapas reddit have it, this seems pretty standard for White-father, East Asian-mother pairings.

    Note: She is half-Jewish and seemingly half SE-Asia Overseas Chinese. (Another of the emerging half-Jewish, half-East Asian Jewish auxiliary force described by Amy Chua in her Tiger Mother book. If Sarah Jeong had a baby with a White man, gentile or Jewish, the baby would probably also grow up to be such.

    Krazy Emma Sulkowicz's mother is a Sandra Leong. Leong is a spelling used in Malaysia, Singapore, Macau, and Hong Kong, not used by PRC-Chinese or Taiwanese (it seems). Of the four Leongs listed by Wikipedia, two are from Hong Kong, one Macau, and one Malaysia.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    She seems pretty highly unstable. As many on the /hapas reddit have it, this seems pretty standard for White-father, East Asian-mother pairings.

    Sounds like the NOWAG corollary to Sailer’s First Law of Female Journalism.

  266. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Captain Tripps

    Nowadays people have all sorts of crazy self identifications - men "identifying" as women, mulattoes identifying as "black" but the point is that most hapas will be perceived by others as either fully Asian or "not quite white" . On the mainland, hapas are still rare enough that people can't quite identify the look but when people think that your daughter is Amerindian or something, they are trying to say "we know what you are not (100% European) but we're not sure what you are". (Not that it makes a big difference nowadays - it's not like they are going to put her in an internment camp once they figure out the truth).

    It's also probably no accident that the child who is most insecure about her Asian identity (because she looks the least Asian) "identifies" as Asian and vice versa.

    Replies: @Anon, @Johann Ricke, @Twinkie

    Is this a white man?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas

    What about this guy?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_V._Haynes

    How about these guys?

    As much to the point, does anyone care?

    most hapas will be perceived by others as either fully Asian or “not quite white”

    It depends; sometimes it can be hard to tell. But at most this means, what, they won’t be able to get into the American Nazi Party?

  267. @PiltdownMan
    @Jack D


    But at the time S. Korea was very poor (even N. Korea was richer) and America was very rich so it seemed like a no brainer even if you were an educated Korean and had to run some miserable dry cleaning shop or ghetto liquor store here.
     
    It seemed to me, living in New York City in the late 1980s, that Korean convenience stores were popping up everywhere.

    The emigration of Koreans struck me as odd, even at the time, because the South Korean economy had already started taking off, and the four "Asian tiger" economies were demonstrating rates of annual GDP growth that were largely unprecedented in the history of economic development.

    Perhaps there were sociological reasons, and these were South Koreans who had little access to participating in the entrepreneurial opportunities back home.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Johann Ricke

    Perhaps there were sociological reasons, and these were South Koreans who had little access to participating in the entrepreneurial opportunities back home.

    This is a wild guess, but I suspect many of these were Christians. My impression is that for Christians in non-Christian majority countries, the US is the promised land. This is probably why Korean immigrants are lopsidedly Christian relative to the ones in the old country. While risking life and limb running small businesses in the ghetto isn’t exactly 40 years in the desert, many Korean immigrants may have made significant sacrifices because it was in part a religious pilgrimage-cum-settlement.

  268. @Bill P
    Ms. Jeong's behavior can be partly explained by the peculiarities of Korean culture. Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.

    Men who don't behave as expected are subjected to what Roissy would call "shit tests," which involve insults, deprecation both subtle and overt, and psychological emasculation. Korean women even go after their sons in this manner, which goes some way toward explaining the volcanic rage that has led a number of young Korean men to go on shooting rampages.

    My bet is that Ms. Jeong has had some intense but dysfunctional relationships with white men that have left her cultural expectations unfulfilled. The problem being that Western men don't dominate so much as they patronize women, which to Koreans is weird and aggravating.

    Her response has been to hurl insults at white men in order to goad them into a properly wrathful and dominant attitude toward her. This is to be expected from Korean women. The only way to get them to stop is to give in and treat them like a doormat.

    It sounds worse to Westerners than it really is. For the most part it involves ritual submission; one Korean woman I worked with in China proudly described how she washed her husband's feet every day when he came home from work. I found this puzzling, but she insisted that she really enjoyed serving him in this manner, and I didn't detect any hint of resentment in her expression, but rather the opposite.

    There is a darker side, however; apparently wife-beating is common among Koreans, but they take that in stride and most agree that it is usually due to wifely misbehavior or rebelliousness.

    So, as academics would say, one should view Ms. Jeong's outbursts "through the lens" of her native culture and try to sympathize. All she really wants, after all, is for the objects of her affection to treat her the way a proper Korean lady ought to be treated.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Sid, @Yevardian, @Jack D, @White Guy In Japan, @MBlanc46, @Reg Cæsar

    Interesting hypothesis. I have no basis for assessing it, but if it’s accurate it would explain a lot.

  269. @Jack D
    @Captain Tripps

    Nowadays people have all sorts of crazy self identifications - men "identifying" as women, mulattoes identifying as "black" but the point is that most hapas will be perceived by others as either fully Asian or "not quite white" . On the mainland, hapas are still rare enough that people can't quite identify the look but when people think that your daughter is Amerindian or something, they are trying to say "we know what you are not (100% European) but we're not sure what you are". (Not that it makes a big difference nowadays - it's not like they are going to put her in an internment camp once they figure out the truth).

    It's also probably no accident that the child who is most insecure about her Asian identity (because she looks the least Asian) "identifies" as Asian and vice versa.

    Replies: @Anon, @Johann Ricke, @Twinkie

    It’s also probably no accident that the child who is most insecure about her Asian identity (because she looks the least Asian) “identifies” as Asian and vice versa.

    Lisa See, the Chinese American author, is a prime example:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_See

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Johann Ricke

    Jack D is talking out of his behind. Much of ethnic identification among mixed race people, especially white-Asian mixes, has to do with an individual's family dynamic, upbringing, etc.

  270. @Bill P
    Ms. Jeong's behavior can be partly explained by the peculiarities of Korean culture. Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.

    Men who don't behave as expected are subjected to what Roissy would call "shit tests," which involve insults, deprecation both subtle and overt, and psychological emasculation. Korean women even go after their sons in this manner, which goes some way toward explaining the volcanic rage that has led a number of young Korean men to go on shooting rampages.

    My bet is that Ms. Jeong has had some intense but dysfunctional relationships with white men that have left her cultural expectations unfulfilled. The problem being that Western men don't dominate so much as they patronize women, which to Koreans is weird and aggravating.

    Her response has been to hurl insults at white men in order to goad them into a properly wrathful and dominant attitude toward her. This is to be expected from Korean women. The only way to get them to stop is to give in and treat them like a doormat.

    It sounds worse to Westerners than it really is. For the most part it involves ritual submission; one Korean woman I worked with in China proudly described how she washed her husband's feet every day when he came home from work. I found this puzzling, but she insisted that she really enjoyed serving him in this manner, and I didn't detect any hint of resentment in her expression, but rather the opposite.

    There is a darker side, however; apparently wife-beating is common among Koreans, but they take that in stride and most agree that it is usually due to wifely misbehavior or rebelliousness.

    So, as academics would say, one should view Ms. Jeong's outbursts "through the lens" of her native culture and try to sympathize. All she really wants, after all, is for the objects of her affection to treat her the way a proper Korean lady ought to be treated.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Sid, @Yevardian, @Jack D, @White Guy In Japan, @MBlanc46, @Reg Cæsar

    Korean women are accustomed to being dominated by men. Not patronized, condescended to or exploited, but straight up dominated.

    They hold doors for their men. But the “male dominance” of East Asia is superficial. The Japanese sarariman turns over the sarari check to his wife, who cuts him an allowance. The Chinese woman is indeed oppressed– by her mother-in-law.

    So what you’re seeing in Korea is likely an optical illusion like it is among their neighbors.

  271. @Jack D
    @George

    Maybe 90% of American Jews are Ashkenazi. Non-Ashkenazi Jews don't seem to have the same verbal talents or interests as Ashkenazi Jews for the most part although Moshfegh is a rare exception. Maybe if the NYT had a roster of 100 columnists they'd have a Sephardic Jew among them but they don't have that many.

    Chutzpah is a Yiddish word (via Hebrew) and maybe Moshfegh is not inclined to pepper her writing with Yiddish which means nothing to her. Personally as an actual Yiddish speaker I find it annoying when American Jews who know 10 words of Yiddish pepper their speech with it and half the time use the words incorrectly or pronounce them wrong anyway. But maybe I shouldn't kvetch so much. (Kvetch btw means squeeze and specifically the groan you make when you bear down on your constipated bowels).

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Kvetch btw means squeeze and specifically the groan you make when you bear down on your constipated bowels

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Reg Cæsar

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-i_KuwryBaOg/T9EcJ3_INJI/AAAAAAAAAl4/nV8mQTGB_wk/s1600/2006-06-26_5_original.jpg

    , @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Philo Kvetch was a character invented by Soupy Sales (it's his face in the comic), the stage name of Milton Supman. Supman was from a small town in the middle of NC, where his family ran the only dry goods store (and were the only Jews in town) . Sales used to joke that the local KKK members bought their sheets from his father.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  272. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Kvetch btw means squeeze and specifically the groan you make when you bear down on your constipated bowels
     
    https://cdn0.rubylane.com/_pod/item/11055/003192/Soupy-Sales-Talking-Turtle-Childrenx27s-Book-full-3-2048-54.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

  273. @Rosamond Vincy
    @Anon


    The most terrifying, nuanced, and incrdible villain in all of Star Wars lore....
    [Serial comma and italicized movie title added.]
     
    Anyone who thinks Kylo Ren is cooler than Darth Vader is unworthy of the proud label "geek."

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Whoops. Clicked bold instead of italics by mistake. Mea minima culpa.

  274. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Moshdegh strikes me as the kind of not-very-attractive woman who fancies herself to be such hot stuff that men are always trying to get into her pants, when in fact most men are not at all interested in her 2/10 looks. For all I know, the entire story is a figment of her imagination - she is after all a talented writer of fiction.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Most modern fiction writers are notably lacking in imagination.

  275. @Jack D
    @eah

    PP and freely available abortion have been one of the few eugenic things in our society in the last 50 years. Every $ that they spend on PP saves the taxpayers an eternity of subsidizing people who will be mostly net negative contributors forever- it's the best $ that Washington spends. Our cities are halfway livable again because of it.

    There are a lot of morally objectionable things that taxpayers subsidize. Pacifists are morally opposed to war but subsidize the Pentagon. If the government couldn't spend money on anything that anyone had a moral objection to, it couldn't exist.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Almost Missouri

    If freely available abortion was so eugenic, why has the undesirable portion of the population increased since then?

    Yes, your part of NYC has become more livable, but that is not the national picture. You can thank Rudy Giuliani for your local good fortune.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri


    why has the undesirable portion of the population increased since then?
     
    Welfare; before that, numbers were going down in absolute terms IIUC.  Abortion kept the mahogany fraction from tripling or quadrupling, instead of only doubling.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  276. @Mr. Rational
    @eah


    I don’t see how you could or why you would want to avoid that — my feeling/conviction has always been that it’s clearly morally wrong
     
    My position is pretty much the opposite; I've taken apart the verses used by pro-lifers to back themselves up biblically and found that most of them are first-person claims from prophets and one is clearly a flight of fancy (Psalm 139:15).  There's nothing like a call to mourn first-trimester miscarriages, which is the equivalent of most induced abortions.  The Christian case for "pro-life" is clearly reading something into the book that is not there.

    But practically, if the USA had had 60 or 80 million Blacks in 2016 instead of 40 million, we'd have President Hillary and neither you nor I would be posting here.  Maybe we wouldn't even be free men any more.  Roe v. Wade was indispensible in making MAGA possible.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar

    “Thou shalt not murder”?

    Why was the black population portion decreasing before Roe v. Wade, and why is it increasing now?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri


    “Thou shalt not murder”?
     
    Psalm 22:10 pretty much says that birth is the biblical boundary for personhood.  Lots don't survive birth, and I recall talk that many primitive tribes would not name children until they were 1 year old because they had such a high chance of death.

    Also see #279.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  277. @Almost Missouri
    @Jack D

    If freely available abortion was so eugenic, why has the undesirable portion of the population increased since then?

    Yes, your part of NYC has become more livable, but that is not the national picture. You can thank Rudy Giuliani for your local good fortune.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    why has the undesirable portion of the population increased since then?

    Welfare; before that, numbers were going down in absolute terms IIUC.  Abortion kept the mahogany fraction from tripling or quadrupling, instead of only doubling.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational


    "Abortion kept the mahogany fraction from tripling or quadrupling, instead of only doubling."
     
    Black population growth rate five decades prior to Roe: about 1½%
    Black population growth rate after Roe: about 1½%

    White population growth rate five decades prior to Roe: about 1¼%
    White population growth rate after 1970: about ½%

    The post-Roe world has seen white fertility drop almost two thirds, while there has been no effect on black fertility.

    All statements about abortion protecting whites are straight up delusional.

    Replies: @academic gossip, @Mr. Rational, @Reg Cæsar

  278. @Twinkie
    @22pp22


    A lot of places in the world are perfectly safe, not just in East Asia.
     
    “Safe” is hard to define is often a subjective frame of mind. But we can certainly compare criminality, both physical and property, which can be quantified easily.

    In fact, I reckon Cyprus is safer than Japan, whatever the statistics say.
     
    You may think so. Compared to much of the world, Cyprus, Japan, and South Korea all seem to have low physical criminality. But if you cared to compare the statistics, here is one measure: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Cyprus 1.11 per 100,000
    Japan 0.28
    South Korea 0.70
    Mongolia 5.66

    Five minutes ago, Japanese and Koreans were tough as nails. What happened?
     
    Easy living and no threats.

    Replies: @22pp22

    Are you Japanese or Korean? I thought you were Japanese. If you are Korean, I apologize for being rude. I am all for freedom of speech – when it’s necessary. Gratuitously hurtful comments are never called for.

    On the subject of Japan’s murder rate, I am not sure I believe the statistics coming out of Japan. The yakuza are widespread and obvious and their activities tolerated as long as they don’t go too far.

    I had a colleague whose father got into debt with the wrong people. Her mother tied a bicycle to herself and jumped off a pier (or was she pushed) and the daughter cam to my host family begging for help. She was given enough money to allow her to “evaporate”. I have never been able to get the truth out of anyone as to what happened to the father.

    That wasn’t counted as murder.

    It happened thirty years ago and things may be different now.

    I also remember the saga of that silly English girl who got herself murdered – the Lucy Affair.

    Even if the murder rate in Japan is as high as I think it is, it is still low by world standards.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @22pp22

    It's possible that the Japanese police are coding certain homicides as suicides. Japan has a pretty high suicide rate. However, if you look at other crimes like armed robbery, assault, etc. Japan also has a very low rate and these are probably harder to recode as something else.

    Japan has less than 1,000 murders per year for the whole country of 125,000,000 people. Chicago has almost as many as all of Japan in a city of less than 3 million, i.e their murder rate is maybe 40x higher. Even if the police were undercounting Japanese murders by half (which I doubt) their rate would still be 1/20th of the rate in Chicago.

    Replies: @22pp22, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Twinkie
    @22pp22


    I apologize for being rude. I am all for freedom of speech – when it’s necessary. Gratuitously hurtful comments are never called for.
     
    No need. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't read anything rude from you that I can remember.

    On the subject of Japan’s murder rate, I am not sure I believe the statistics coming out of Japan. The yakuza are widespread and obvious and their activities tolerated as long as they don’t go too far.
     
    I wouldn't say the Yakuza are "widespread" (if you want to see widespread, come to the East Coast of the U.S. and count MS-13 members). Although they are criminals, they exist in a symbiotic relationship with the society at large (and the government in the past when they were used to fight communists and labor unrest) and live a highly structured, ritual-based lives. The government takes a rather dim view of them causing problems and come down hard if they cause chaos with gang wars and such. It's all very orderly. As low as the Japanese murder rate is, the portion that is from gangsterism is probably a rather small fraction of it still.

    Both in Japan and South Korea, what few murders exist are typically crimes of passion or those committed by deranged individuals.
    , @Anonymous
    @22pp22

    Remember that case, Lucy Blackman - for that was her name - was an airline stewardess and sometime 'night club hostess' in Japan. A 'bar patron' to her home and later killed her.

    Apparently the murderer was financially secure. He paid 'blood money' to Lucy's father - all legal in Japan - and got treated leniently.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  279. On the subject of Japan’s murder rate, I am not sure I believe the statistics coming out of Japan. The yakuza are widespread and obvious and their activities tolerated as long as they don’t go too far.

    Organized crime is the work of organized peoples. Random violent crime is the realm of the disorganized. They don’t cluster together, except when the gangsters are slumming by day.

    The safest of the poorer neighborhoods in many cities were the Little Italies and Chinatowns, the loci of the mob and the triads.

  280. @Anonym
    @Jack D

    Sinatra got around. I personally know someone who slept with someone who slept with Sinatra. It's only one event, but...

    Replies: @res

    Six Degrees of Frank Sinatra?

  281. That’s 2 degrees I think.

  282. @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational

    "Thou shalt not murder"?

    Why was the black population portion decreasing before Roe v. Wade, and why is it increasing now?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    “Thou shalt not murder”?

    Psalm 22:10 pretty much says that birth is the biblical boundary for personhood.  Lots don’t survive birth, and I recall talk that many primitive tribes would not name children until they were 1 year old because they had such a high chance of death.

    Also see #279.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational


    "Psalm 22:10 pretty much says that birth is the biblical boundary for personhood."
     
    "From my mother’s womb you have been my God" hardly seems a ringing endorsement of abortion. Rather the reverse really.

    Even if the psalm said "Hey, I was just a worthless blastula clump until I was baptised," it still woudn't exceed the scriptural authority of the Commandments. [IRL I'm not a scripturalist. I'm just responding to a scriptural argument scripturally.]


    "Lots don’t survive birth, and I recall talk that many primitive tribes would not name children until they were 1 year old because they had such a high chance of death."
     
    Ah, so murder of young and/or unnamed people is okay because they have a higher chance of death anyway?

    No. Of course not. Miscarriages or still births don't legitimize abortion any more than choking deaths or scarlet fever legitimize murder.


    "Also see #279."
     
    Also see my response to #279.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  283. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Kvetch btw means squeeze and specifically the groan you make when you bear down on your constipated bowels
     
    https://cdn0.rubylane.com/_pod/item/11055/003192/Soupy-Sales-Talking-Turtle-Childrenx27s-Book-full-3-2048-54.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D

    Philo Kvetch was a character invented by Soupy Sales (it’s his face in the comic), the stage name of Milton Supman. Supman was from a small town in the middle of NC, where his family ran the only dry goods store (and were the only Jews in town) . Sales used to joke that the local KKK members bought their sheets from his father.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D

    Steve should try Soupy's trick of asking kids to collect the green pieces of paper from their parents' wallets and mailing those to him.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  284. @22pp22
    @Twinkie

    Are you Japanese or Korean? I thought you were Japanese. If you are Korean, I apologize for being rude. I am all for freedom of speech - when it's necessary. Gratuitously hurtful comments are never called for.

    On the subject of Japan's murder rate, I am not sure I believe the statistics coming out of Japan. The yakuza are widespread and obvious and their activities tolerated as long as they don't go too far.

    I had a colleague whose father got into debt with the wrong people. Her mother tied a bicycle to herself and jumped off a pier (or was she pushed) and the daughter cam to my host family begging for help. She was given enough money to allow her to "evaporate". I have never been able to get the truth out of anyone as to what happened to the father.

    That wasn't counted as murder.

    It happened thirty years ago and things may be different now.

    I also remember the saga of that silly English girl who got herself murdered - the Lucy Affair.

    Even if the murder rate in Japan is as high as I think it is, it is still low by world standards.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @Anonymous

    It’s possible that the Japanese police are coding certain homicides as suicides. Japan has a pretty high suicide rate. However, if you look at other crimes like armed robbery, assault, etc. Japan also has a very low rate and these are probably harder to recode as something else.

    Japan has less than 1,000 murders per year for the whole country of 125,000,000 people. Chicago has almost as many as all of Japan in a city of less than 3 million, i.e their murder rate is maybe 40x higher. Even if the police were undercounting Japanese murders by half (which I doubt) their rate would still be 1/20th of the rate in Chicago.

    • Replies: @22pp22
    @Jack D

    Armed robbery would be an extremely unwise thing to do in Japan, because the local mob doesn't permit freelancing on its patch, or nawabari. Extortion is widespread. They don't nee to use guns. In the town when I lived in the eighties, all the business owners had to pay protection money.

    My hosts called the local yakuza a hitsuyo-aku, a necessary evil.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    It’s possible that the Japanese police are coding certain homicides as suicides. Japan has a pretty high suicide rate. However, if you look at other crimes like armed robbery, assault, etc. Japan also has a very low rate and these are probably harder to recode as something else.
     
    "Make it look like seppuku."

    https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/seppukuS.jpg
  285. @Corvinus
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    "Your gaslighting is noted, sapper. You do your master proud, don’t you?"

    So you took a term from DJT's twitter feed, but improperly used it. So in the future, think about when you didn't remember things correctly, and adjust your conduct accordingly.

    Replies: @Anon, @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    So in the future, think about when you didn’t remember things correctly, and adjust your conduct accordingly.

    …ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.

  286. @Jack D
    @22pp22

    It's possible that the Japanese police are coding certain homicides as suicides. Japan has a pretty high suicide rate. However, if you look at other crimes like armed robbery, assault, etc. Japan also has a very low rate and these are probably harder to recode as something else.

    Japan has less than 1,000 murders per year for the whole country of 125,000,000 people. Chicago has almost as many as all of Japan in a city of less than 3 million, i.e their murder rate is maybe 40x higher. Even if the police were undercounting Japanese murders by half (which I doubt) their rate would still be 1/20th of the rate in Chicago.

    Replies: @22pp22, @Reg Cæsar

    Armed robbery would be an extremely unwise thing to do in Japan, because the local mob doesn’t permit freelancing on its patch, or nawabari. Extortion is widespread. They don’t nee to use guns. In the town when I lived in the eighties, all the business owners had to pay protection money.

    My hosts called the local yakuza a hitsuyo-aku, a necessary evil.

  287. @White Guy In Japan
    @Twinkie

    This white dude sure hated living in South Korea.

    https://klownisms.wordpress.com/

    Only visited twice so I can't really say.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Twinkie

    This white dude sure hated living in South Korea.

    https://klownisms.wordpress.com/

    Only visited twice so I can’t really say.

    Reading some of the posts there I’m not sure that individual was cut out for long-term expatriation to a foreign country, especially one as different as Korea.

    He doesn’t seem to love the US either, but he does admit to missing certain aspects of Chicago. Overall, he comes off as a generally unhappy, easily-triggered millennial-type.

  288. @Reg Cæsar
    @22pp22


    It pains me to admit it, but NZ/UK/Oz are not [safe] due to uncivilized drinking habits.

     

    Probably the only good thing that came out of Prohibition is that the resultant speakeasy culture civilized American public drinking habits. Making noise in the street is considered completely out-of-bounds (not to mention it lowers the surrounding property values), and that one drunken Scot in Houston paid for it with his life.

    Men are in far more danger than women if they walk down the street at three in the morning.

     

    Supposedly that was true in Dodge City as well.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Probably the only good thing that came out of Prohibition is that the resultant speakeasy culture civilized American public drinking habits.

    Someone needs to watch more TXStreetfights TV….

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCazGlbA17F9An1pfjISih1w

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I said "civilized".

    College towns don't count. I grew up in one, and know first hand.

  289. @Jack D
    @Reg Cæsar

    Philo Kvetch was a character invented by Soupy Sales (it's his face in the comic), the stage name of Milton Supman. Supman was from a small town in the middle of NC, where his family ran the only dry goods store (and were the only Jews in town) . Sales used to joke that the local KKK members bought their sheets from his father.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Steve should try Soupy’s trick of asking kids to collect the green pieces of paper from their parents’ wallets and mailing those to him.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not gonna work too good if they use plastic in person and pay most bills over the web.  Entire households might have nothing in the way of either stamps or blank envelopes.

    How times have changed, eh?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

  290. @Jack D
    @22pp22

    It's possible that the Japanese police are coding certain homicides as suicides. Japan has a pretty high suicide rate. However, if you look at other crimes like armed robbery, assault, etc. Japan also has a very low rate and these are probably harder to recode as something else.

    Japan has less than 1,000 murders per year for the whole country of 125,000,000 people. Chicago has almost as many as all of Japan in a city of less than 3 million, i.e their murder rate is maybe 40x higher. Even if the police were undercounting Japanese murders by half (which I doubt) their rate would still be 1/20th of the rate in Chicago.

    Replies: @22pp22, @Reg Cæsar

    It’s possible that the Japanese police are coding certain homicides as suicides. Japan has a pretty high suicide rate. However, if you look at other crimes like armed robbery, assault, etc. Japan also has a very low rate and these are probably harder to recode as something else.

    “Make it look like seppuku.”

  291. @AndrewR
    @PiltdownMan

    I can't speak for Sailer either but I think you've nailed it. Any remotely astute political and cultural observer has come to the conclusion you have written out. It's sad that Sailer seldom comes out and states all his premises openly and sincerely, relying mostly on sarcasm and implicitness. He has a weird combination of extreme male-brain (obsession with inane statistical trivia) combined with feminine indirectness.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    He has a weird combination of extreme male-brain… combined with feminine indirectness.

    How Oriental of him.

  292. @Mr. Rational
    @eah


    I don’t see how you could or why you would want to avoid that — my feeling/conviction has always been that it’s clearly morally wrong
     
    My position is pretty much the opposite; I've taken apart the verses used by pro-lifers to back themselves up biblically and found that most of them are first-person claims from prophets and one is clearly a flight of fancy (Psalm 139:15).  There's nothing like a call to mourn first-trimester miscarriages, which is the equivalent of most induced abortions.  The Christian case for "pro-life" is clearly reading something into the book that is not there.

    But practically, if the USA had had 60 or 80 million Blacks in 2016 instead of 40 million, we'd have President Hillary and neither you nor I would be posting here.  Maybe we wouldn't even be free men any more.  Roe v. Wade was indispensible in making MAGA possible.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar

    B

    ut practically, if the USA had had 60 or 80 million Blacks in 2016 instead of 40 million, we’d have President Hillary and neither you nor I would be posting here.

    Funny, but before 1963 blacks acted more responsibly sexually than whites have since 1973. Believe it or not, they are actually capable of avoiding having children even in the absence of abortion.

    Some people have no sense of history.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Reg Cæsar


    before 1963 blacks acted more responsibly sexually than whites have since 1973.
     
    Get real.  Blacks in the early 60's had illegitimate birthrates at what Daniel Patrick Moynihan considered epidemic levels, some 26%.  The culture war waged against all of America has eventually produced such levels among Whites... but it took decades to do it, in which no-fault divorce normalized single moms from the other end and welfare picked up the supporting function that once required keeping a husband.

    Meanwhile, Black illegitimacy has hit 78% while the black TFR is close to 2.0.  One hell of a lot of the latter has to be put down to abortion-on-demand.  78% of the abortions in Mississippi are obtained by Black women.  Why Mississippians are trying to increase their Black population, I don't know.


    Some people have no sense of history.
     
    I lived that history.  Try again.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  293. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Reg Cæsar


    Probably the only good thing that came out of Prohibition is that the resultant speakeasy culture civilized American public drinking habits.
     
    Someone needs to watch more TXStreetfights TV....

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCazGlbA17F9An1pfjISih1w

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I said “civilized”.

    College towns don’t count. I grew up in one, and know first hand.

  294. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D

    Steve should try Soupy's trick of asking kids to collect the green pieces of paper from their parents' wallets and mailing those to him.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Not gonna work too good if they use plastic in person and pay most bills over the web.  Entire households might have nothing in the way of either stamps or blank envelopes.

    How times have changed, eh?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Mr. Rational

    2018 Soupy could ask the kids to Venmo him $ from mom's phone or send him Amazon gift cards.

    It would probably work better - in real life Soupy 1965 got very little $ (nor did he intend to - it was a joke). Any kid old enough to address an envelope properly , put a stamp on it and put it in the mail was also old enough to know not to take $ from his dad's wallet and mail it to a stranger.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Rational


    Not gonna work too good if they use plastic in person and pay most bills over the web.
     
    Kids can easily memorize 16-digit numbers, dad or mom's middle initial, and the three-digit number from the back side.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  295. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Rational

    B


    ut practically, if the USA had had 60 or 80 million Blacks in 2016 instead of 40 million, we’d have President Hillary and neither you nor I would be posting here.
     
    Funny, but before 1963 blacks acted more responsibly sexually than whites have since 1973. Believe it or not, they are actually capable of avoiding having children even in the absence of abortion.

    Some people have no sense of history.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    before 1963 blacks acted more responsibly sexually than whites have since 1973.

    Get real.  Blacks in the early 60’s had illegitimate birthrates at what Daniel Patrick Moynihan considered epidemic levels, some 26%.  The culture war waged against all of America has eventually produced such levels among Whites… but it took decades to do it, in which no-fault divorce normalized single moms from the other end and welfare picked up the supporting function that once required keeping a husband.

    Meanwhile, Black illegitimacy has hit 78% while the black TFR is close to 2.0.  One hell of a lot of the latter has to be put down to abortion-on-demand.  78% of the abortions in Mississippi are obtained by Black women.  Why Mississippians are trying to increase their Black population, I don’t know.

    Some people have no sense of history.

    I lived that history.  Try again.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Rational


    The culture war waged against all of America has eventually produced such levels among Whites…
     
    That sounds kind of environmental.

    I lived that history. Try again.
     
    So did I. Everything "liberal" wasn't. It was all fraud.

    Abortion was illegal before 1973 because that's how normal, civilized countries treat it. Even the New York legislature repealed that state's wrong-headed liberalization law in 1972, only to have a particularly nasty governor veto it, and a Supreme Court reveto it.

    no-fault divorce normalized single moms from the other end and welfare picked up the supporting function
     
    Those pro-choicers got around, didn't they? You're in good company!
  296. @Mr. Rational
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not gonna work too good if they use plastic in person and pay most bills over the web.  Entire households might have nothing in the way of either stamps or blank envelopes.

    How times have changed, eh?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    2018 Soupy could ask the kids to Venmo him $ from mom’s phone or send him Amazon gift cards.

    It would probably work better – in real life Soupy 1965 got very little $ (nor did he intend to – it was a joke). Any kid old enough to address an envelope properly , put a stamp on it and put it in the mail was also old enough to know not to take $ from his dad’s wallet and mail it to a stranger.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Jack D


    Any kid old enough to address an envelope properly , put a stamp on it and put it in the mail was also old enough to know not to take $ from his dad’s wallet and mail it to a stranger.
     
    Except Soupy Sales was no stranger.  He was a beloved television personality.  GET. A. CLUE.
  297. @Steve Sailer
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    Ronan Farrow has some issues: Is my real dad Woody Allen or Frank Sinatra?

    But he's putting together a track record of delivering scoops in his field of entertainment journalism against powerful guys that's a little reminiscent of Seymour Hersh's in national security reporting.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ben tillman

    Speaking of Seymour Hersh, when he is going to publicly call bullshit on this Russia thing? The surreptitious recording by Butowsky has been long forgotten (partly by a fake new event manufactured to coincide with it), but there are millions of copies of it out there.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    @ben tillman

    Does Hersh have a platform anymore? I never see or hear him. The msm seems to ignore him.

  298. @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri


    why has the undesirable portion of the population increased since then?
     
    Welfare; before that, numbers were going down in absolute terms IIUC.  Abortion kept the mahogany fraction from tripling or quadrupling, instead of only doubling.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    “Abortion kept the mahogany fraction from tripling or quadrupling, instead of only doubling.”

    Black population growth rate five decades prior to Roe: about 1½%
    Black population growth rate after Roe: about 1½%

    White population growth rate five decades prior to Roe: about 1¼%
    White population growth rate after 1970: about ½%

    The post-Roe world has seen white fertility drop almost two thirds, while there has been no effect on black fertility.

    All statements about abortion protecting whites are straight up delusional.

    • Replies: @academic gossip
    @Almost Missouri

    The rate of abortion is much higher among blacks, 60+ percent versus something in the 30's for whites. If blacks aborted at the white rate their birth rate and (big assumption) other factors stayed mostly the same, the black birthrate would have jumped by 50 to 100 percent. This has more of an effect on demographics than just the number of kids per woman, because it also reduces the generation time. There would also be the extra social costs of all those extra births to low-SES black mothers, which would be mosty a transfer of funds from the white middle class.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri

    Don't forget that the Pill also hit the market in that general period.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Almost Missouri


    All statements about abortion protecting whites are straight up delusional.
     
    Particularly about the particular white being aborted!
  299. @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri


    “Thou shalt not murder”?
     
    Psalm 22:10 pretty much says that birth is the biblical boundary for personhood.  Lots don't survive birth, and I recall talk that many primitive tribes would not name children until they were 1 year old because they had such a high chance of death.

    Also see #279.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    “Psalm 22:10 pretty much says that birth is the biblical boundary for personhood.”

    “From my mother’s womb you have been my God” hardly seems a ringing endorsement of abortion. Rather the reverse really.

    Even if the psalm said “Hey, I was just a worthless blastula clump until I was baptised,” it still woudn’t exceed the scriptural authority of the Commandments. [IRL I’m not a scripturalist. I’m just responding to a scriptural argument scripturally.]

    “Lots don’t survive birth, and I recall talk that many primitive tribes would not name children until they were 1 year old because they had such a high chance of death.”

    Ah, so murder of young and/or unnamed people is okay because they have a higher chance of death anyway?

    No. Of course not. Miscarriages or still births don’t legitimize abortion any more than choking deaths or scarlet fever legitimize murder.

    “Also see #279.”

    Also see my response to #279.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri


    “From my mother’s womb you have been my God” hardly seems a ringing endorsement of abortion.
     
    Emphasis on "from".  You have to get out alive first.

    Even if the psalm said “Hey, I was just a worthless blastula clump until I was baptised,”
     
    Which it doesn't.  NONE of them address anything remotely like the situation of a first-trimester abortion, either spontaneous or induced.  So WTF IS THE ISSUE?

    Ah, so murder of young and/or unnamed people is okay because they have a higher chance of death anyway?
     
    Hint:  using the word "murder" is assuming your conclusion.  It assumes that there is more than a someTHING there, it's a someONE.  We know enough about neurodevelopment to be certain that there is nothing like conscious activity in the human fetal brain until 30 weeks.  That's 7 months.  Abortion through the 2nd trimester can't be murder, because there is no "being" there yet.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

  300. @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational


    "Abortion kept the mahogany fraction from tripling or quadrupling, instead of only doubling."
     
    Black population growth rate five decades prior to Roe: about 1½%
    Black population growth rate after Roe: about 1½%

    White population growth rate five decades prior to Roe: about 1¼%
    White population growth rate after 1970: about ½%

    The post-Roe world has seen white fertility drop almost two thirds, while there has been no effect on black fertility.

    All statements about abortion protecting whites are straight up delusional.

    Replies: @academic gossip, @Mr. Rational, @Reg Cæsar

    The rate of abortion is much higher among blacks, 60+ percent versus something in the 30’s for whites. If blacks aborted at the white rate their birth rate and (big assumption) other factors stayed mostly the same, the black birthrate would have jumped by 50 to 100 percent. This has more of an effect on demographics than just the number of kids per woman, because it also reduces the generation time. There would also be the extra social costs of all those extra births to low-SES black mothers, which would be mosty a transfer of funds from the white middle class.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @academic gossip

    If I can borrow a sabremetrics term of "true outcomes", we can cut to the chase and bypass all the coulda-woulda-shoulda.

    Abortion rate doesn't matter if the pregnancy rate rises to meet or surpass it.

    Generation time matters only in proportion to number of births and rates of competing populations.

    Etc.

    The one true outcome is population growth rate. For blacks, abortion has had no effect. For whites, the abortion era has knocked off more than half.

    Maybe that means that every black abortion is on average followed by an extra pregnancy (actually, a little more than one, to make up for the slight generation delay), while for whites every abortion is a snuffing out with no replacement pregnancy coming later. Or maybe somehow the availability of abortion depresses white rates as it does not depress black rates. Or maybe the availability of abortion raises black casual sex rates even more than white casual sex rates. Maybe. But it doesn't really matter what the exact mechanism is. The one true outcome is that black growth is unchanged while white growth is gutted. This is the simple statistical fact that no amount of elaboration or justification can change.

    In fact, the actual situation is worse than what the bare statistics show, because if you crawl into the details enough, you see that just as abortion availability has had different effects between the races, it has also had different effects within the races. Unfortunately, the effects are exactly the opposite of what you would want to see. You might hope that the worst off mothers (low SES, low IQ) would abort the most and the best off mothers would abort the least, but it is exactly the opposite. But this shouldn't really be a surprise. After all, making and keeping appointments on a time-sensitive matter, which is what abortion is for prospective mothers, is not really characteristic of low IQ, low SES people. It is however, characteristic of high-IQ, high-SES people. So who actually goes through with abortions after unwanted pregnancies: the shiftless welfare mother or the organized career woman? Hint: not the welfare mother.

    So paradoxically, abortion, which was promoted by Margaret Sanger et al. as an efficient way to prevent the birth of undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals, etc. has in practice led to an increase in undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals etc. Way to score a civilizational own goal Maggie.

    Irrespective of how you feel about the morality of abortion, objectively abortion on demand may have been the biggest anti-eugenic trap ever invented.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mr. Rational

  301. @Jack D
    @Mr. Rational

    2018 Soupy could ask the kids to Venmo him $ from mom's phone or send him Amazon gift cards.

    It would probably work better - in real life Soupy 1965 got very little $ (nor did he intend to - it was a joke). Any kid old enough to address an envelope properly , put a stamp on it and put it in the mail was also old enough to know not to take $ from his dad's wallet and mail it to a stranger.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Any kid old enough to address an envelope properly , put a stamp on it and put it in the mail was also old enough to know not to take $ from his dad’s wallet and mail it to a stranger.

    Except Soupy Sales was no stranger.  He was a beloved television personality.  GET. A. CLUE.

  302. @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational


    "Abortion kept the mahogany fraction from tripling or quadrupling, instead of only doubling."
     
    Black population growth rate five decades prior to Roe: about 1½%
    Black population growth rate after Roe: about 1½%

    White population growth rate five decades prior to Roe: about 1¼%
    White population growth rate after 1970: about ½%

    The post-Roe world has seen white fertility drop almost two thirds, while there has been no effect on black fertility.

    All statements about abortion protecting whites are straight up delusional.

    Replies: @academic gossip, @Mr. Rational, @Reg Cæsar

    Don’t forget that the Pill also hit the market in that general period.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational

    Doesn't matter. The promotion of contraception of whatever type (pill, abortion, etc.) was supposed to be eugenic ("reduce unwanted pregnancies" in the currently fashionable substitute term for eugenics). It turns out that the people who don't want to get pregnant and actively prevent it are the people who would have been the better parents, while the people who do get (and stay) pregnant don't necessarily want those pregnancies, but they can't be bothered to do anything to prevent them either. So guess who gets born.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  303. @White Guy In Japan
    @Twinkie

    This white dude sure hated living in South Korea.

    https://klownisms.wordpress.com/

    Only visited twice so I can't really say.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Twinkie

    This white dude sure hated living in South Korea.

    Go on YouTube. There are lots of Westerners who speak of South Korea like heaven on earth (some of which, vapidly enough, seem to center around the foodie/delivery culture). E.g.:

  304. @academic gossip
    @Almost Missouri

    The rate of abortion is much higher among blacks, 60+ percent versus something in the 30's for whites. If blacks aborted at the white rate their birth rate and (big assumption) other factors stayed mostly the same, the black birthrate would have jumped by 50 to 100 percent. This has more of an effect on demographics than just the number of kids per woman, because it also reduces the generation time. There would also be the extra social costs of all those extra births to low-SES black mothers, which would be mosty a transfer of funds from the white middle class.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    If I can borrow a sabremetrics term of “true outcomes”, we can cut to the chase and bypass all the coulda-woulda-shoulda.

    Abortion rate doesn’t matter if the pregnancy rate rises to meet or surpass it.

    Generation time matters only in proportion to number of births and rates of competing populations.

    Etc.

    The one true outcome is population growth rate. For blacks, abortion has had no effect. For whites, the abortion era has knocked off more than half.

    Maybe that means that every black abortion is on average followed by an extra pregnancy (actually, a little more than one, to make up for the slight generation delay), while for whites every abortion is a snuffing out with no replacement pregnancy coming later. Or maybe somehow the availability of abortion depresses white rates as it does not depress black rates. Or maybe the availability of abortion raises black casual sex rates even more than white casual sex rates. Maybe. But it doesn’t really matter what the exact mechanism is. The one true outcome is that black growth is unchanged while white growth is gutted. This is the simple statistical fact that no amount of elaboration or justification can change.

    In fact, the actual situation is worse than what the bare statistics show, because if you crawl into the details enough, you see that just as abortion availability has had different effects between the races, it has also had different effects within the races. Unfortunately, the effects are exactly the opposite of what you would want to see. You might hope that the worst off mothers (low SES, low IQ) would abort the most and the best off mothers would abort the least, but it is exactly the opposite. But this shouldn’t really be a surprise. After all, making and keeping appointments on a time-sensitive matter, which is what abortion is for prospective mothers, is not really characteristic of low IQ, low SES people. It is however, characteristic of high-IQ, high-SES people. So who actually goes through with abortions after unwanted pregnancies: the shiftless welfare mother or the organized career woman? Hint: not the welfare mother.

    So paradoxically, abortion, which was promoted by Margaret Sanger et al. as an efficient way to prevent the birth of undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals, etc. has in practice led to an increase in undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals etc. Way to score a civilizational own goal Maggie.

    Irrespective of how you feel about the morality of abortion, objectively abortion on demand may have been the biggest anti-eugenic trap ever invented.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    When I looked at the data in 2005, it looked like in the late 20th century, contraception was for the upper classes, abortion for the lower working classes, and the underclass just let shit happen all the way to the maternity ward.

    But a lot has been changing since then.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Almost Missouri, @Jack D

    , @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri


    abortion, which was promoted by Margaret Sanger et al. as an efficient way to prevent the birth of undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals, etc. has in practice led to an increase in undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals etc.
     
    No, that was the welfare state.  Absent the ability to suck from the public teat, undesirables giving birth to kids they couldn't feed would either live in the poorhouse and/or starve.  And they WOULD make and keep their clinic appointments to avoid starvation.  It has a remarkable way of concentrating the mind, and it's no coincidence that Mississippi has the lowest welfare rates in the USA.

    There's a group which has dealt with the problem of crack babies at the source by paying the crack hos to get sterilized.  Of course, this is 99% or so successful.  And as night follows day, the group has come under fire for "racism".

    If you paid underclass females to be sterilized and required all underclass felons to be fixed as a condition of parole, you could probably get rid of the underclass very rapidly.  High time preference is like that.  Yes this would be "racist" in the "disproportionate impact upon POC" sense.  We have to stop giving a damn about that word.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  305. @Mr. Rational
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not gonna work too good if they use plastic in person and pay most bills over the web.  Entire households might have nothing in the way of either stamps or blank envelopes.

    How times have changed, eh?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    Not gonna work too good if they use plastic in person and pay most bills over the web.

    Kids can easily memorize 16-digit numbers, dad or mom’s middle initial, and the three-digit number from the back side.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Reg Cæsar

    So you think a TV personality is going to suborn credit-card fraud?  That sounds like an awfully fast road to cancellation, if not prosecution.

  306. @22pp22
    @Twinkie

    Are you Japanese or Korean? I thought you were Japanese. If you are Korean, I apologize for being rude. I am all for freedom of speech - when it's necessary. Gratuitously hurtful comments are never called for.

    On the subject of Japan's murder rate, I am not sure I believe the statistics coming out of Japan. The yakuza are widespread and obvious and their activities tolerated as long as they don't go too far.

    I had a colleague whose father got into debt with the wrong people. Her mother tied a bicycle to herself and jumped off a pier (or was she pushed) and the daughter cam to my host family begging for help. She was given enough money to allow her to "evaporate". I have never been able to get the truth out of anyone as to what happened to the father.

    That wasn't counted as murder.

    It happened thirty years ago and things may be different now.

    I also remember the saga of that silly English girl who got herself murdered - the Lucy Affair.

    Even if the murder rate in Japan is as high as I think it is, it is still low by world standards.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @Anonymous

    I apologize for being rude. I am all for freedom of speech – when it’s necessary. Gratuitously hurtful comments are never called for.

    No need. Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t read anything rude from you that I can remember.

    On the subject of Japan’s murder rate, I am not sure I believe the statistics coming out of Japan. The yakuza are widespread and obvious and their activities tolerated as long as they don’t go too far.

    I wouldn’t say the Yakuza are “widespread” (if you want to see widespread, come to the East Coast of the U.S. and count MS-13 members). Although they are criminals, they exist in a symbiotic relationship with the society at large (and the government in the past when they were used to fight communists and labor unrest) and live a highly structured, ritual-based lives. The government takes a rather dim view of them causing problems and come down hard if they cause chaos with gang wars and such. It’s all very orderly. As low as the Japanese murder rate is, the portion that is from gangsterism is probably a rather small fraction of it still.

    Both in Japan and South Korea, what few murders exist are typically crimes of passion or those committed by deranged individuals.

  307. Dr. Jordan Peterson plays around with the idea that feminists actually unconsciously long for domination by men, hence their welcoming of Muslim immigration and their not protesting what goes on in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia:

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Tracy

    What I like about JP is that he says publicly (if tentatively) what I have have concluded privately (and definitively) years ago.

  308. @Almost Missouri
    @academic gossip

    If I can borrow a sabremetrics term of "true outcomes", we can cut to the chase and bypass all the coulda-woulda-shoulda.

    Abortion rate doesn't matter if the pregnancy rate rises to meet or surpass it.

    Generation time matters only in proportion to number of births and rates of competing populations.

    Etc.

    The one true outcome is population growth rate. For blacks, abortion has had no effect. For whites, the abortion era has knocked off more than half.

    Maybe that means that every black abortion is on average followed by an extra pregnancy (actually, a little more than one, to make up for the slight generation delay), while for whites every abortion is a snuffing out with no replacement pregnancy coming later. Or maybe somehow the availability of abortion depresses white rates as it does not depress black rates. Or maybe the availability of abortion raises black casual sex rates even more than white casual sex rates. Maybe. But it doesn't really matter what the exact mechanism is. The one true outcome is that black growth is unchanged while white growth is gutted. This is the simple statistical fact that no amount of elaboration or justification can change.

    In fact, the actual situation is worse than what the bare statistics show, because if you crawl into the details enough, you see that just as abortion availability has had different effects between the races, it has also had different effects within the races. Unfortunately, the effects are exactly the opposite of what you would want to see. You might hope that the worst off mothers (low SES, low IQ) would abort the most and the best off mothers would abort the least, but it is exactly the opposite. But this shouldn't really be a surprise. After all, making and keeping appointments on a time-sensitive matter, which is what abortion is for prospective mothers, is not really characteristic of low IQ, low SES people. It is however, characteristic of high-IQ, high-SES people. So who actually goes through with abortions after unwanted pregnancies: the shiftless welfare mother or the organized career woman? Hint: not the welfare mother.

    So paradoxically, abortion, which was promoted by Margaret Sanger et al. as an efficient way to prevent the birth of undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals, etc. has in practice led to an increase in undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals etc. Way to score a civilizational own goal Maggie.

    Irrespective of how you feel about the morality of abortion, objectively abortion on demand may have been the biggest anti-eugenic trap ever invented.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mr. Rational

    When I looked at the data in 2005, it looked like in the late 20th century, contraception was for the upper classes, abortion for the lower working classes, and the underclass just let shit happen all the way to the maternity ward.

    But a lot has been changing since then.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    When I looked at the data in 2005, it looked like in the late 20th century, contraception was for the upper classes
     
    Contraception assumes the ability to use it the right way, at the right time. So it's dysgenic right there.

    Assuming that a teenager can stop to put on a condom assumes that a teenager can stop-- .

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Steve Sailer

    Can you say what has changed since then? (2005 wasn't that long ago in generational terms.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer


    and the underclass just let shit happen all the way to the maternity ward.
     
    In the ghetto of Philadelphia there was a mulatto abortion doctor that you could go to for "late term" abortions (as in VERY late) - if you happened to come out of your drug induced fog at 28 weeks and decide you didn't want the baby you were carrying after all, he would take care of it for you. He's currently serving a life sentence for murdering babies after they had been delivered but he's 77 so it won't be that long.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell

  309. @Mr. Rational
    @Reg Cæsar


    before 1963 blacks acted more responsibly sexually than whites have since 1973.
     
    Get real.  Blacks in the early 60's had illegitimate birthrates at what Daniel Patrick Moynihan considered epidemic levels, some 26%.  The culture war waged against all of America has eventually produced such levels among Whites... but it took decades to do it, in which no-fault divorce normalized single moms from the other end and welfare picked up the supporting function that once required keeping a husband.

    Meanwhile, Black illegitimacy has hit 78% while the black TFR is close to 2.0.  One hell of a lot of the latter has to be put down to abortion-on-demand.  78% of the abortions in Mississippi are obtained by Black women.  Why Mississippians are trying to increase their Black population, I don't know.


    Some people have no sense of history.
     
    I lived that history.  Try again.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The culture war waged against all of America has eventually produced such levels among Whites…

    That sounds kind of environmental.

    I lived that history. Try again.

    So did I. Everything “liberal” wasn’t. It was all fraud.

    Abortion was illegal before 1973 because that’s how normal, civilized countries treat it. Even the New York legislature repealed that state’s wrong-headed liberalization law in 1972, only to have a particularly nasty governor veto it, and a Supreme Court reveto it.

    no-fault divorce normalized single moms from the other end and welfare picked up the supporting function

    Those pro-choicers got around, didn’t they? You’re in good company!

  310. @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational


    "Abortion kept the mahogany fraction from tripling or quadrupling, instead of only doubling."
     
    Black population growth rate five decades prior to Roe: about 1½%
    Black population growth rate after Roe: about 1½%

    White population growth rate five decades prior to Roe: about 1¼%
    White population growth rate after 1970: about ½%

    The post-Roe world has seen white fertility drop almost two thirds, while there has been no effect on black fertility.

    All statements about abortion protecting whites are straight up delusional.

    Replies: @academic gossip, @Mr. Rational, @Reg Cæsar

    All statements about abortion protecting whites are straight up delusional.

    Particularly about the particular white being aborted!

  311. @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    When I looked at the data in 2005, it looked like in the late 20th century, contraception was for the upper classes, abortion for the lower working classes, and the underclass just let shit happen all the way to the maternity ward.

    But a lot has been changing since then.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Almost Missouri, @Jack D

    When I looked at the data in 2005, it looked like in the late 20th century, contraception was for the upper classes

    Contraception assumes the ability to use it the right way, at the right time. So it’s dysgenic right there.

    Assuming that a teenager can stop to put on a condom assumes that a teenager can stop– .

  312. @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri

    Don't forget that the Pill also hit the market in that general period.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Doesn’t matter. The promotion of contraception of whatever type (pill, abortion, etc.) was supposed to be eugenic (“reduce unwanted pregnancies” in the currently fashionable substitute term for eugenics). It turns out that the people who don’t want to get pregnant and actively prevent it are the people who would have been the better parents, while the people who do get (and stay) pregnant don’t necessarily want those pregnancies, but they can’t be bothered to do anything to prevent them either. So guess who gets born.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Almost Missouri

    Answer: the unwanted children of crappy parents.

    This is who the post-contraception society gets to build its next generation with.

  313. @Reg Cæsar
    @Twinkie

    Korea is immediately behind Germany? That place where men were hectored to use the toilet sitting down?

    I'd be more proud of our #48. It shows our moderation in these things. In practise, not theory that is.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Korea is immediately behind Germany? That place where men were hectored to use the toilet sitting down?

    I’d be more proud of our #48. It shows our moderation in these things. In practise, not theory that is.

    I wasn’t commenting on whether the ranking was a good or bad thing – merely falsifying Bill P’s nonsense that “Korea clusters with Islamic countries in global gender equality indices.”

  314. @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational

    Doesn't matter. The promotion of contraception of whatever type (pill, abortion, etc.) was supposed to be eugenic ("reduce unwanted pregnancies" in the currently fashionable substitute term for eugenics). It turns out that the people who don't want to get pregnant and actively prevent it are the people who would have been the better parents, while the people who do get (and stay) pregnant don't necessarily want those pregnancies, but they can't be bothered to do anything to prevent them either. So guess who gets born.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Answer: the unwanted children of crappy parents.

    This is who the post-contraception society gets to build its next generation with.

  315. @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    When I looked at the data in 2005, it looked like in the late 20th century, contraception was for the upper classes, abortion for the lower working classes, and the underclass just let shit happen all the way to the maternity ward.

    But a lot has been changing since then.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Almost Missouri, @Jack D

    Can you say what has changed since then? (2005 wasn’t that long ago in generational terms.)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    After the early 1990s, abortions went down, teen births went down, teen pregnancies went down. The social decay that got going in the later 1960s seemed to bottom out around 1991.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  316. @Jack D
    @Captain Tripps

    Nowadays people have all sorts of crazy self identifications - men "identifying" as women, mulattoes identifying as "black" but the point is that most hapas will be perceived by others as either fully Asian or "not quite white" . On the mainland, hapas are still rare enough that people can't quite identify the look but when people think that your daughter is Amerindian or something, they are trying to say "we know what you are not (100% European) but we're not sure what you are". (Not that it makes a big difference nowadays - it's not like they are going to put her in an internment camp once they figure out the truth).

    It's also probably no accident that the child who is most insecure about her Asian identity (because she looks the least Asian) "identifies" as Asian and vice versa.

    Replies: @Anon, @Johann Ricke, @Twinkie

    the point is that most hapas will be perceived by others as either fully Asian or “not quite white” .

    Speak for yourself. When my children hang out in the upper Midwest every summer, they are largely viewed as “exotic whites.” No one thinks they are “fully Asian.” And “not quite white” is not accurate either. “Part-white” is. The old one-drop rule seems to apply mostly to black-mixes and not so much to Asian-mixes in the United States, notwithstanding your particular views.

    By the way, hapas are not uncommon in super zip codes. I live in an area that is 80% white and 15% Asian (used to be mostly Koreans and Vietnamese, now increasingly Chinese and Indians), and I see hapas (besides my own children) everyday – on the street, at shops, at kids’ afterschool programs, etc.

    It’s also probably no accident that the child who is most insecure about her Asian identity (because she looks the least Asian) “identifies” as Asian and vice versa.

    You don’t even know who they are, but already got them psycho-analytically figured out via Internet, huh?

  317. @Tracy
    Dr. Jordan Peterson plays around with the idea that feminists actually unconsciously long for domination by men, hence their welcoming of Muslim immigration and their not protesting what goes on in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia: https://youtu.be/-vT86SjrISk

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    What I like about JP is that he says publicly (if tentatively) what I have have concluded privately (and definitively) years ago.

  318. @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    It’s also probably no accident that the child who is most insecure about her Asian identity (because she looks the least Asian) “identifies” as Asian and vice versa.
     
    Lisa See, the Chinese American author, is a prime example:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_See

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Jack D is talking out of his behind. Much of ethnic identification among mixed race people, especially white-Asian mixes, has to do with an individual’s family dynamic, upbringing, etc.

  319. @Almost Missouri
    @Steve Sailer

    Can you say what has changed since then? (2005 wasn't that long ago in generational terms.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    After the early 1990s, abortions went down, teen births went down, teen pregnancies went down. The social decay that got going in the later 1960s seemed to bottom out around 1991.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Steve Sailer

    Do you think that is in part because there just fewer young people in that era, or are those figures already adjusted for per fertile female capita and for per teen capita?

    Also, does the same trend hold true within races, or might changing racial components have affected the figures?

  320. I can’t answer Irish Paleo’s questions, but we used to laugh ourselves purple Chez Olorin reading the one-star reviews of “50 Shades” on Amazon.

  321. @Reg Cæsar
    Eight of Steve's last nine posts are about Sarah. Could this be a developing crush?

    Replies: @BEER/ we're all going to die, @RoryBellowsLives, @Anon, @Mitchell Porter, @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon, @Forbes, @FPD72, @Bard of Bumperstickers, @Mr. Blank

    I think it’s more because this incident feels like a Trayvon Martin/Michael Brown inflection point. A lot of people on what John Derbyshire calls the “dissident right” cite one or both of those incidents as their “red pill” moment. I know they were for me — watching leftists twisting and turning to try to come up with one justification after another for what were plainly incidents of violent thuggery was enormously sobering, as were the wide gaps between the way the incidents were described in initial press reports and the revelations of more through subsequent investigations. It was the first time I started to accept that at least some people on the left were motivated by actual malice, rather than good-faith disagreement.

    The nation’s paper of record hiring an outspoken anti-white bigot, and the lazy and condescending defenses of it by the leftist intelligentsia, feels like it could be another “aha” moment for a lot of folks — especially after several left-wing mobs successfully got right-wingers fired for far less. Like Trayvon and Michael Brown, it’s an unusually stark public demonstration of the elite’s naked hatred for white proles — one which will be noticed by a lot of folks who might otherwise tune this stuff out.

  322. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22
    @Twinkie

    Are you Japanese or Korean? I thought you were Japanese. If you are Korean, I apologize for being rude. I am all for freedom of speech - when it's necessary. Gratuitously hurtful comments are never called for.

    On the subject of Japan's murder rate, I am not sure I believe the statistics coming out of Japan. The yakuza are widespread and obvious and their activities tolerated as long as they don't go too far.

    I had a colleague whose father got into debt with the wrong people. Her mother tied a bicycle to herself and jumped off a pier (or was she pushed) and the daughter cam to my host family begging for help. She was given enough money to allow her to "evaporate". I have never been able to get the truth out of anyone as to what happened to the father.

    That wasn't counted as murder.

    It happened thirty years ago and things may be different now.

    I also remember the saga of that silly English girl who got herself murdered - the Lucy Affair.

    Even if the murder rate in Japan is as high as I think it is, it is still low by world standards.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Twinkie, @Anonymous

    Remember that case, Lucy Blackman – for that was her name – was an airline stewardess and sometime ‘night club hostess’ in Japan. A ‘bar patron’ to her home and later killed her.

    Apparently the murderer was financially secure. He paid ‘blood money’ to Lucy’s father – all legal in Japan – and got treated leniently.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anonymous


    Apparently the murderer was financially secure. He paid ‘blood money’ to Lucy’s father – all legal in Japan – and got treated leniently.
     
    Not quite what happened: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joji_Obara

    Obara was charged with drugging, raping and killing Blackman, as well as with raping six other women and the manslaughter of another hostess.[20]

    On April 24, 2007, Obara was jailed for life on multiple rape charges and one manslaughter, but he was acquitted of Blackman's rape and murder.[21]

    Evidence supporting his guilt of rape included the approximately 400 videos he took, which showed him engaged in date rape activities. For the charge of manslaughter of Carita Ridgway, the prosecutor produced an autopsy report showing traces of chloroform in Ridgway's liver and a paper trail showing that the accused accompanied Ridgway to the hospital before she died. In Blackman's case, however, the prosecutor could not produce any forensic evidence linking the accused to her death. Even her cause of death could not be determined.[6]

    The judge stated that in deciding on the sentence he did not attach much importance to Obara’s payment of “consolation money” to a number of his victims.[22]

    The Japanese judicial system has received some criticism for its handling of the case. It is believed that the police did not take this missing person case seriously "because Lucie was working illegally in a job from which women often flee without notice".[23] As a result, the discovery of the body came too late to determine the cause of the death. The verdict by a panel of three judges cited the lack of forensic evidence as a reason for acquittal. Some foreign media from common law countries also criticised the police for having leaked information in the case to the press that could cause a mistrial.[6] However, as the Japanese civil law system did not, at that time, use juries, this could not be grounds for a mistrial.

    Former prosecutor Takeshi Tsuchimoto, now a professor of criminal procedure law at Hakuoh University Law School, criticised the decision to acquit Obara for the murder of Lucie Blackman by pointing to the conviction of Masumi Hayashi due to circumstantial evidence.[24]

    The public prosecutor appealed the Blackman-related verdicts, as crucial forensic evidence had not been heard at the original trial, and on March 25, 2008, an appeal trial commenced in the Tokyo High Court.[25] Tokyo's High Court found Obara guilty on the counts of abduction, dismemberment and disposal of Blackman's body on December 16, 2008.[26]

    In early December 2010, the Supreme Court of Japan rejected Obara's appeal and upheld his life sentence.[27]
     
  323. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Rational


    Not gonna work too good if they use plastic in person and pay most bills over the web.
     
    Kids can easily memorize 16-digit numbers, dad or mom's middle initial, and the three-digit number from the back side.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    So you think a TV personality is going to suborn credit-card fraud?  That sounds like an awfully fast road to cancellation, if not prosecution.

  324. @Almost Missouri
    @academic gossip

    If I can borrow a sabremetrics term of "true outcomes", we can cut to the chase and bypass all the coulda-woulda-shoulda.

    Abortion rate doesn't matter if the pregnancy rate rises to meet or surpass it.

    Generation time matters only in proportion to number of births and rates of competing populations.

    Etc.

    The one true outcome is population growth rate. For blacks, abortion has had no effect. For whites, the abortion era has knocked off more than half.

    Maybe that means that every black abortion is on average followed by an extra pregnancy (actually, a little more than one, to make up for the slight generation delay), while for whites every abortion is a snuffing out with no replacement pregnancy coming later. Or maybe somehow the availability of abortion depresses white rates as it does not depress black rates. Or maybe the availability of abortion raises black casual sex rates even more than white casual sex rates. Maybe. But it doesn't really matter what the exact mechanism is. The one true outcome is that black growth is unchanged while white growth is gutted. This is the simple statistical fact that no amount of elaboration or justification can change.

    In fact, the actual situation is worse than what the bare statistics show, because if you crawl into the details enough, you see that just as abortion availability has had different effects between the races, it has also had different effects within the races. Unfortunately, the effects are exactly the opposite of what you would want to see. You might hope that the worst off mothers (low SES, low IQ) would abort the most and the best off mothers would abort the least, but it is exactly the opposite. But this shouldn't really be a surprise. After all, making and keeping appointments on a time-sensitive matter, which is what abortion is for prospective mothers, is not really characteristic of low IQ, low SES people. It is however, characteristic of high-IQ, high-SES people. So who actually goes through with abortions after unwanted pregnancies: the shiftless welfare mother or the organized career woman? Hint: not the welfare mother.

    So paradoxically, abortion, which was promoted by Margaret Sanger et al. as an efficient way to prevent the birth of undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals, etc. has in practice led to an increase in undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals etc. Way to score a civilizational own goal Maggie.

    Irrespective of how you feel about the morality of abortion, objectively abortion on demand may have been the biggest anti-eugenic trap ever invented.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Mr. Rational

    abortion, which was promoted by Margaret Sanger et al. as an efficient way to prevent the birth of undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals, etc. has in practice led to an increase in undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals etc.

    No, that was the welfare state.  Absent the ability to suck from the public teat, undesirables giving birth to kids they couldn’t feed would either live in the poorhouse and/or starve.  And they WOULD make and keep their clinic appointments to avoid starvation.  It has a remarkable way of concentrating the mind, and it’s no coincidence that Mississippi has the lowest welfare rates in the USA.

    There’s a group which has dealt with the problem of crack babies at the source by paying the crack hos to get sterilized.  Of course, this is 99% or so successful.  And as night follows day, the group has come under fire for “racism”.

    If you paid underclass females to be sterilized and required all underclass felons to be fixed as a condition of parole, you could probably get rid of the underclass very rapidly.  High time preference is like that.  Yes this would be “racist” in the “disproportionate impact upon POC” sense.  We have to stop giving a damn about that word.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational

    I agree that the welfare state has done an immense amount of damage that will take generations to undo, and I have argued so at length in these pages (against somewhat surprising headwinds). Nevertheless, that does not mean that abortion and the allied promiscuity culture have not also done an immense amount of damage that can perhaps never be undone.

    This part of the comment thread got started back at #253 when Jack D repeated the popular but patently false meme that "freely available abortion ha[s] been one of the few eugenic things in our society in the last 50 years." This happens to be the opposite of the truth, so I said so.

    Western civilization, true progress--not the Progressive's fake "progress"--is and has been under attack from many directions for a long time. If one vector of assault is revealed to be more dangerous than generally supposed does not make the other vectors less dangerous than generally supposed. Civilization has many discontents and many enemies, within and without. We ignore any one of them at our peril.

    Fortunately the remedies to these assaults are synergistic. Fighting one often mitigates others at the same time, as your sterilization example shows. Unfortunately, the Left's relentless hatred destroys many sensible defenses, as your sterilization example also shows. As you say, the solution is we just have to stop caring about appeasing the Left. Or better yet, turn the Left's hatred back on them. In the sterilization example, the response would be, "Why do you hate these poor people of color so much that you want to deny them access to the life altering family planning tools Planned Parenthood fought so hard to provide? Why are you such racists?"

    I know to some commenters here this sounds like passé Dems-R-Real-Racists lame-ism, but it is not. Rather than trying to persuade a hypothetical third party that the Left is racist, this is telling the Left to their own faces that they are racist. I've used this IRL and even I am surprised how well it works. These people are used to dealing out the racism charge, not to taking it. It almost always is like a massive sucker punch they can't see coming even though they are facing it. They are so used to being the accusers it never occurs to them they might be accused. And so when they are plausibly accused according to their own formula, it is like a grenade just went off in their underpants and the damage of the accusation is compounded by their humiliation at being unprepared for it. Don't take my word: Tucker Carlson uses it on some if his pinko guests to good effect. Eventually the Left will start composing countermeasures, but right now it is still like a bolt from the blue to them.

    Try it sometime. Or don't. Just leave it to me Tucker and me. It will work longer for us that way, without amateurs mucking up the battlespace.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  325. @Anonymous
    @22pp22

    Remember that case, Lucy Blackman - for that was her name - was an airline stewardess and sometime 'night club hostess' in Japan. A 'bar patron' to her home and later killed her.

    Apparently the murderer was financially secure. He paid 'blood money' to Lucy's father - all legal in Japan - and got treated leniently.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Apparently the murderer was financially secure. He paid ‘blood money’ to Lucy’s father – all legal in Japan – and got treated leniently.

    Not quite what happened: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joji_Obara

    Obara was charged with drugging, raping and killing Blackman, as well as with raping six other women and the manslaughter of another hostess.[20]

    On April 24, 2007, Obara was jailed for life on multiple rape charges and one manslaughter, but he was acquitted of Blackman’s rape and murder.[21]

    Evidence supporting his guilt of rape included the approximately 400 videos he took, which showed him engaged in date rape activities. For the charge of manslaughter of Carita Ridgway, the prosecutor produced an autopsy report showing traces of chloroform in Ridgway’s liver and a paper trail showing that the accused accompanied Ridgway to the hospital before she died. In Blackman’s case, however, the prosecutor could not produce any forensic evidence linking the accused to her death. Even her cause of death could not be determined.[6]

    The judge stated that in deciding on the sentence he did not attach much importance to Obara’s payment of “consolation money” to a number of his victims.[22]

    The Japanese judicial system has received some criticism for its handling of the case. It is believed that the police did not take this missing person case seriously “because Lucie was working illegally in a job from which women often flee without notice”.[23] As a result, the discovery of the body came too late to determine the cause of the death. The verdict by a panel of three judges cited the lack of forensic evidence as a reason for acquittal. Some foreign media from common law countries also criticised the police for having leaked information in the case to the press that could cause a mistrial.[6] However, as the Japanese civil law system did not, at that time, use juries, this could not be grounds for a mistrial.

    Former prosecutor Takeshi Tsuchimoto, now a professor of criminal procedure law at Hakuoh University Law School, criticised the decision to acquit Obara for the murder of Lucie Blackman by pointing to the conviction of Masumi Hayashi due to circumstantial evidence.[24]

    The public prosecutor appealed the Blackman-related verdicts, as crucial forensic evidence had not been heard at the original trial, and on March 25, 2008, an appeal trial commenced in the Tokyo High Court.[25] Tokyo’s High Court found Obara guilty on the counts of abduction, dismemberment and disposal of Blackman’s body on December 16, 2008.[26]

    In early December 2010, the Supreme Court of Japan rejected Obara’s appeal and upheld his life sentence.[27]

  326. @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri


    abortion, which was promoted by Margaret Sanger et al. as an efficient way to prevent the birth of undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals, etc. has in practice led to an increase in undesirables, feeble-minded, criminals etc.
     
    No, that was the welfare state.  Absent the ability to suck from the public teat, undesirables giving birth to kids they couldn't feed would either live in the poorhouse and/or starve.  And they WOULD make and keep their clinic appointments to avoid starvation.  It has a remarkable way of concentrating the mind, and it's no coincidence that Mississippi has the lowest welfare rates in the USA.

    There's a group which has dealt with the problem of crack babies at the source by paying the crack hos to get sterilized.  Of course, this is 99% or so successful.  And as night follows day, the group has come under fire for "racism".

    If you paid underclass females to be sterilized and required all underclass felons to be fixed as a condition of parole, you could probably get rid of the underclass very rapidly.  High time preference is like that.  Yes this would be "racist" in the "disproportionate impact upon POC" sense.  We have to stop giving a damn about that word.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    I agree that the welfare state has done an immense amount of damage that will take generations to undo, and I have argued so at length in these pages (against somewhat surprising headwinds). Nevertheless, that does not mean that abortion and the allied promiscuity culture have not also done an immense amount of damage that can perhaps never be undone.

    This part of the comment thread got started back at #253 when Jack D repeated the popular but patently false meme that “freely available abortion ha[s] been one of the few eugenic things in our society in the last 50 years.” This happens to be the opposite of the truth, so I said so.

    Western civilization, true progress–not the Progressive’s fake “progress”–is and has been under attack from many directions for a long time. If one vector of assault is revealed to be more dangerous than generally supposed does not make the other vectors less dangerous than generally supposed. Civilization has many discontents and many enemies, within and without. We ignore any one of them at our peril.

    Fortunately the remedies to these assaults are synergistic. Fighting one often mitigates others at the same time, as your sterilization example shows. Unfortunately, the Left’s relentless hatred destroys many sensible defenses, as your sterilization example also shows. As you say, the solution is we just have to stop caring about appeasing the Left. Or better yet, turn the Left’s hatred back on them. In the sterilization example, the response would be, “Why do you hate these poor people of color so much that you want to deny them access to the life altering family planning tools Planned Parenthood fought so hard to provide? Why are you such racists?”

    I know to some commenters here this sounds like passé Dems-R-Real-Racists lame-ism, but it is not. Rather than trying to persuade a hypothetical third party that the Left is racist, this is telling the Left to their own faces that they are racist. I’ve used this IRL and even I am surprised how well it works. These people are used to dealing out the racism charge, not to taking it. It almost always is like a massive sucker punch they can’t see coming even though they are facing it. They are so used to being the accusers it never occurs to them they might be accused. And so when they are plausibly accused according to their own formula, it is like a grenade just went off in their underpants and the damage of the accusation is compounded by their humiliation at being unprepared for it. Don’t take my word: Tucker Carlson uses it on some if his pinko guests to good effect. Eventually the Left will start composing countermeasures, but right now it is still like a bolt from the blue to them.

    Try it sometime. Or don’t. Just leave it to me Tucker and me. It will work longer for us that way, without amateurs mucking up the battlespace.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri


    that does not mean that abortion and the allied promiscuity culture have not also done an immense amount of damage that can perhaps never be undone.
     
    Your so-called "promiscuity culture" would be there given the Pill, abortion or not.  It was in full swing in the 1960's and enshrined in the popular culture of the day.

    You keep dodging the true cause of the problem, which is a lack of affordable family formation.  Shelley vs. Kraemer made it more expensive to stay safe from Blacks; the CRA of 1964, later "fair housing" acts, and school desegregation made things progressively more dangerous and more places less fit to raise children.  The immigration act of 1965 imported cheap labor, driving wages downward and housing prices upward.  Griggs vs. Duke Power made it vastly harder to keep unfit Blacks out of jobs they weren't competent to perform, and made costly credentials a must for getting middle-class jobs.  All of that hit straight at the White family, impovershing and immiserating it.

    By the time Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973, all of that damage was done.  Reversing it will do nothing to alter the landscape or increase family formation.  You have to make White families affordable, which means Making America Whitopian Again.


    Jack D repeated the popular but patently false meme that “freely available abortion ha[s] been one of the few eugenic things in our society in the last 50 years.” This happens to be the opposite of the truth, so I said so.
     
    Despite the massive incentives handed out by the welfare state, your own claim is that Black population growth didn't increase.  A huge amount of that lack of effect, per the numbers, comes down to abortion.  Mississippi shows that stingy welfare plus abortion has an outsize effect on Black reproduction.  Get a clue.

    In the sterilization example, the response would be, “Why do you hate these poor people of color so much that you want to deny them access to the life altering family planning tools Planned Parenthood fought so hard to provide? Why are you such racists?”
     
    I like this.  I'll try to remember to use it.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  327. @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    When I looked at the data in 2005, it looked like in the late 20th century, contraception was for the upper classes, abortion for the lower working classes, and the underclass just let shit happen all the way to the maternity ward.

    But a lot has been changing since then.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Almost Missouri, @Jack D

    and the underclass just let shit happen all the way to the maternity ward.

    In the ghetto of Philadelphia there was a mulatto abortion doctor that you could go to for “late term” abortions (as in VERY late) – if you happened to come out of your drug induced fog at 28 weeks and decide you didn’t want the baby you were carrying after all, he would take care of it for you. He’s currently serving a life sentence for murdering babies after they had been delivered but he’s 77 so it won’t be that long.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Gosnell

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  328. @Rosamond Vincy
    @PiltdownMan

    He is WAY too good-looking to be Woody's.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    He looks like his mama at the same age, but he has also remade himself, changing his hair color from brown to blonde, and donning blue contact lenses.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Nicholas Stix

    Features still too good to be Woody-spawn, unless he's also had surgery.

  329. @Nicholas Stix
    @Rosamond Vincy

    He looks like his mama at the same age, but he has also remade himself, changing his hair color from brown to blonde, and donning blue contact lenses.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Features still too good to be Woody-spawn, unless he’s also had surgery.

  330. @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational


    "Psalm 22:10 pretty much says that birth is the biblical boundary for personhood."
     
    "From my mother’s womb you have been my God" hardly seems a ringing endorsement of abortion. Rather the reverse really.

    Even if the psalm said "Hey, I was just a worthless blastula clump until I was baptised," it still woudn't exceed the scriptural authority of the Commandments. [IRL I'm not a scripturalist. I'm just responding to a scriptural argument scripturally.]


    "Lots don’t survive birth, and I recall talk that many primitive tribes would not name children until they were 1 year old because they had such a high chance of death."
     
    Ah, so murder of young and/or unnamed people is okay because they have a higher chance of death anyway?

    No. Of course not. Miscarriages or still births don't legitimize abortion any more than choking deaths or scarlet fever legitimize murder.


    "Also see #279."
     
    Also see my response to #279.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    “From my mother’s womb you have been my God” hardly seems a ringing endorsement of abortion.

    Emphasis on “from”.  You have to get out alive first.

    Even if the psalm said “Hey, I was just a worthless blastula clump until I was baptised,”

    Which it doesn’t.  NONE of them address anything remotely like the situation of a first-trimester abortion, either spontaneous or induced.  So WTF IS THE ISSUE?

    Ah, so murder of young and/or unnamed people is okay because they have a higher chance of death anyway?

    Hint:  using the word “murder” is assuming your conclusion.  It assumes that there is more than a someTHING there, it’s a someONE.  We know enough about neurodevelopment to be certain that there is nothing like conscious activity in the human fetal brain until 30 weeks.  That’s 7 months.  Abortion through the 2nd trimester can’t be murder, because there is no “being” there yet.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational


    "Abortion through the 2nd trimester can’t be murder, because there is no 'being' there yet."
     
    Maybe. But that's a different argument from "the Bible endorses abortion," which is what I responded to.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    , @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double
    @Mr. Rational


    Which it doesn’t. NONE of them address anything remotely like the situation of a first-trimester abortion, either spontaneous or induced. So WTF IS THE ISSUE?
     
    You seem terribly exercised over this. Perhaps you should lie down for a while.
  331. @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational

    I agree that the welfare state has done an immense amount of damage that will take generations to undo, and I have argued so at length in these pages (against somewhat surprising headwinds). Nevertheless, that does not mean that abortion and the allied promiscuity culture have not also done an immense amount of damage that can perhaps never be undone.

    This part of the comment thread got started back at #253 when Jack D repeated the popular but patently false meme that "freely available abortion ha[s] been one of the few eugenic things in our society in the last 50 years." This happens to be the opposite of the truth, so I said so.

    Western civilization, true progress--not the Progressive's fake "progress"--is and has been under attack from many directions for a long time. If one vector of assault is revealed to be more dangerous than generally supposed does not make the other vectors less dangerous than generally supposed. Civilization has many discontents and many enemies, within and without. We ignore any one of them at our peril.

    Fortunately the remedies to these assaults are synergistic. Fighting one often mitigates others at the same time, as your sterilization example shows. Unfortunately, the Left's relentless hatred destroys many sensible defenses, as your sterilization example also shows. As you say, the solution is we just have to stop caring about appeasing the Left. Or better yet, turn the Left's hatred back on them. In the sterilization example, the response would be, "Why do you hate these poor people of color so much that you want to deny them access to the life altering family planning tools Planned Parenthood fought so hard to provide? Why are you such racists?"

    I know to some commenters here this sounds like passé Dems-R-Real-Racists lame-ism, but it is not. Rather than trying to persuade a hypothetical third party that the Left is racist, this is telling the Left to their own faces that they are racist. I've used this IRL and even I am surprised how well it works. These people are used to dealing out the racism charge, not to taking it. It almost always is like a massive sucker punch they can't see coming even though they are facing it. They are so used to being the accusers it never occurs to them they might be accused. And so when they are plausibly accused according to their own formula, it is like a grenade just went off in their underpants and the damage of the accusation is compounded by their humiliation at being unprepared for it. Don't take my word: Tucker Carlson uses it on some if his pinko guests to good effect. Eventually the Left will start composing countermeasures, but right now it is still like a bolt from the blue to them.

    Try it sometime. Or don't. Just leave it to me Tucker and me. It will work longer for us that way, without amateurs mucking up the battlespace.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    that does not mean that abortion and the allied promiscuity culture have not also done an immense amount of damage that can perhaps never be undone.

    Your so-called “promiscuity culture” would be there given the Pill, abortion or not.  It was in full swing in the 1960’s and enshrined in the popular culture of the day.

    You keep dodging the true cause of the problem, which is a lack of affordable family formation.  Shelley vs. Kraemer made it more expensive to stay safe from Blacks; the CRA of 1964, later “fair housing” acts, and school desegregation made things progressively more dangerous and more places less fit to raise children.  The immigration act of 1965 imported cheap labor, driving wages downward and housing prices upward.  Griggs vs. Duke Power made it vastly harder to keep unfit Blacks out of jobs they weren’t competent to perform, and made costly credentials a must for getting middle-class jobs.  All of that hit straight at the White family, impovershing and immiserating it.

    By the time Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973, all of that damage was done.  Reversing it will do nothing to alter the landscape or increase family formation.  You have to make White families affordable, which means Making America Whitopian Again.

    Jack D repeated the popular but patently false meme that “freely available abortion ha[s] been one of the few eugenic things in our society in the last 50 years.” This happens to be the opposite of the truth, so I said so.

    Despite the massive incentives handed out by the welfare state, your own claim is that Black population growth didn’t increase.  A huge amount of that lack of effect, per the numbers, comes down to abortion.  Mississippi shows that stingy welfare plus abortion has an outsize effect on Black reproduction.  Get a clue.

    In the sterilization example, the response would be, “Why do you hate these poor people of color so much that you want to deny them access to the life altering family planning tools Planned Parenthood fought so hard to provide? Why are you such racists?”

    I like this.  I’ll try to remember to use it.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational


    "You keep dodging the true cause of the problem, ..."
     
    As explained, I wasn't presuming to answer anything except that mistaken "abortion is eugenic" meme.

    But yes, there is is a lot more afoot than just abortion and you do a good job of laying out a summary.

    "Despite the massive incentives handed out by the welfare state, your own claim is that Black population growth didn’t increase."
     
    Erm, no, that's not what I said. I said abortion was not correlated with a decrease in black population growth but it was correlated with a decrease in white population growth.

    If you look back through my commenting history, however, you'll see that I have indeed said many times that the welfare state is correlated with a increase in black population growth and with a decrease in white population growth. So I'm not sure what your carping about.

    BTW, if you have statistics for Mississippi, I would be interested in seeing them.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  332. @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri


    “From my mother’s womb you have been my God” hardly seems a ringing endorsement of abortion.
     
    Emphasis on "from".  You have to get out alive first.

    Even if the psalm said “Hey, I was just a worthless blastula clump until I was baptised,”
     
    Which it doesn't.  NONE of them address anything remotely like the situation of a first-trimester abortion, either spontaneous or induced.  So WTF IS THE ISSUE?

    Ah, so murder of young and/or unnamed people is okay because they have a higher chance of death anyway?
     
    Hint:  using the word "murder" is assuming your conclusion.  It assumes that there is more than a someTHING there, it's a someONE.  We know enough about neurodevelopment to be certain that there is nothing like conscious activity in the human fetal brain until 30 weeks.  That's 7 months.  Abortion through the 2nd trimester can't be murder, because there is no "being" there yet.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    “Abortion through the 2nd trimester can’t be murder, because there is no ‘being’ there yet.”

    Maybe. But that’s a different argument from “the Bible endorses abortion,” which is what I responded to.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri


    But that’s a different argument from “the Bible endorses abortion,”
     
    Which is an argument I never made.  I said it was silent on the matter, and does not support the claims made by those who call themselves "pro-life".
  333. @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri


    that does not mean that abortion and the allied promiscuity culture have not also done an immense amount of damage that can perhaps never be undone.
     
    Your so-called "promiscuity culture" would be there given the Pill, abortion or not.  It was in full swing in the 1960's and enshrined in the popular culture of the day.

    You keep dodging the true cause of the problem, which is a lack of affordable family formation.  Shelley vs. Kraemer made it more expensive to stay safe from Blacks; the CRA of 1964, later "fair housing" acts, and school desegregation made things progressively more dangerous and more places less fit to raise children.  The immigration act of 1965 imported cheap labor, driving wages downward and housing prices upward.  Griggs vs. Duke Power made it vastly harder to keep unfit Blacks out of jobs they weren't competent to perform, and made costly credentials a must for getting middle-class jobs.  All of that hit straight at the White family, impovershing and immiserating it.

    By the time Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973, all of that damage was done.  Reversing it will do nothing to alter the landscape or increase family formation.  You have to make White families affordable, which means Making America Whitopian Again.


    Jack D repeated the popular but patently false meme that “freely available abortion ha[s] been one of the few eugenic things in our society in the last 50 years.” This happens to be the opposite of the truth, so I said so.
     
    Despite the massive incentives handed out by the welfare state, your own claim is that Black population growth didn't increase.  A huge amount of that lack of effect, per the numbers, comes down to abortion.  Mississippi shows that stingy welfare plus abortion has an outsize effect on Black reproduction.  Get a clue.

    In the sterilization example, the response would be, “Why do you hate these poor people of color so much that you want to deny them access to the life altering family planning tools Planned Parenthood fought so hard to provide? Why are you such racists?”
     
    I like this.  I'll try to remember to use it.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    “You keep dodging the true cause of the problem, …”

    As explained, I wasn’t presuming to answer anything except that mistaken “abortion is eugenic” meme.

    But yes, there is is a lot more afoot than just abortion and you do a good job of laying out a summary.

    “Despite the massive incentives handed out by the welfare state, your own claim is that Black population growth didn’t increase.”

    Erm, no, that’s not what I said. I said abortion was not correlated with a decrease in black population growth but it was correlated with a decrease in white population growth.

    If you look back through my commenting history, however, you’ll see that I have indeed said many times that the welfare state is correlated with a increase in black population growth and with a decrease in white population growth. So I’m not sure what your carping about.

    BTW, if you have statistics for Mississippi, I would be interested in seeing them.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri

    Here's something resembling stats for MS, a graphic of race composition by age cohort:

    https://statisticalatlas.com/state/Mississippi/Race-and-Ethnicity

    The big slide in White racial fraction started in the generations older than 45, and the trend has been much less pronounced since.  One can't pin down too much from this given the mobility of the American public, but it is suggestive that the main changes which affected White families were already in place long prior to 1973.

  334. @Steve Sailer
    @Almost Missouri

    After the early 1990s, abortions went down, teen births went down, teen pregnancies went down. The social decay that got going in the later 1960s seemed to bottom out around 1991.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Do you think that is in part because there just fewer young people in that era, or are those figures already adjusted for per fertile female capita and for per teen capita?

    Also, does the same trend hold true within races, or might changing racial components have affected the figures?

  335. @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational


    "Abortion through the 2nd trimester can’t be murder, because there is no 'being' there yet."
     
    Maybe. But that's a different argument from "the Bible endorses abortion," which is what I responded to.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    But that’s a different argument from “the Bible endorses abortion,”

    Which is an argument I never made.  I said it was silent on the matter, and does not support the claims made by those who call themselves “pro-life”.

  336. @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Rational


    "You keep dodging the true cause of the problem, ..."
     
    As explained, I wasn't presuming to answer anything except that mistaken "abortion is eugenic" meme.

    But yes, there is is a lot more afoot than just abortion and you do a good job of laying out a summary.

    "Despite the massive incentives handed out by the welfare state, your own claim is that Black population growth didn’t increase."
     
    Erm, no, that's not what I said. I said abortion was not correlated with a decrease in black population growth but it was correlated with a decrease in white population growth.

    If you look back through my commenting history, however, you'll see that I have indeed said many times that the welfare state is correlated with a increase in black population growth and with a decrease in white population growth. So I'm not sure what your carping about.

    BTW, if you have statistics for Mississippi, I would be interested in seeing them.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Here’s something resembling stats for MS, a graphic of race composition by age cohort:

    https://statisticalatlas.com/state/Mississippi/Race-and-Ethnicity

    The big slide in White racial fraction started in the generations older than 45, and the trend has been much less pronounced since.  One can’t pin down too much from this given the mobility of the American public, but it is suggestive that the main changes which affected White families were already in place long prior to 1973.

  337. @SFG
    I'm sure Albertosaurus has more to report than me here, but:

    Yeah, a lot of feminists want to be dominated in bed. (You can confirm this yourself with an OKCupid account and some selective question answering.) Indeed, the whole yes-means-yes paradigm of exhaustively asking for permission for every advance somewhat resembles the negotiations the dominant and submissive partners frequently do before the 'scene'. Consent and limits must be explicitly discussed before proceeding. It's appealing to nerds who have trouble reading body language (and I suspect a lot of feminists are somewhere on the autism spectrum as well since they obviously have trouble adjusting to normal social roles; higher T in a woman would fit this as well).

    I think the whole BDSM framework lets them feel they're doing something transgressive rather than accepting normal female roles. For whatever reason, predominantly dominant women in bed are rare (just ask a male submissive), and high testosterone in a woman mostly seems to produce an increase in the violence of the fantasy rather than switching the roles.

    Replies: @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double, @Anonymous

    The BDSM-loving ‘feminist’ is a cliche. This is where ‘kink-shaming’ came from: ‘serious’ (i.e. lesbian) feminists taking their sisters to task for being submissive to men.

  338. @ben tillman
    @Steve Sailer

    Speaking of Seymour Hersh, when he is going to publicly call bullshit on this Russia thing? The surreptitious recording by Butowsky has been long forgotten (partly by a fake new event manufactured to coincide with it), but there are millions of copies of it out there.

    Replies: @Meretricious

    Does Hersh have a platform anymore? I never see or hear him. The msm seems to ignore him.

  339. @Mr. Rational
    @Almost Missouri


    “From my mother’s womb you have been my God” hardly seems a ringing endorsement of abortion.
     
    Emphasis on "from".  You have to get out alive first.

    Even if the psalm said “Hey, I was just a worthless blastula clump until I was baptised,”
     
    Which it doesn't.  NONE of them address anything remotely like the situation of a first-trimester abortion, either spontaneous or induced.  So WTF IS THE ISSUE?

    Ah, so murder of young and/or unnamed people is okay because they have a higher chance of death anyway?
     
    Hint:  using the word "murder" is assuming your conclusion.  It assumes that there is more than a someTHING there, it's a someONE.  We know enough about neurodevelopment to be certain that there is nothing like conscious activity in the human fetal brain until 30 weeks.  That's 7 months.  Abortion through the 2nd trimester can't be murder, because there is no "being" there yet.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Buster Keaton’s Stunt Double

    Which it doesn’t. NONE of them address anything remotely like the situation of a first-trimester abortion, either spontaneous or induced. So WTF IS THE ISSUE?

    You seem terribly exercised over this. Perhaps you should lie down for a while.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational

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